| 00:00.01 | Kalroth | Also hunters will be forced to melee because of that. |
| 00:00.20 | Kalroth | Or use throwing weapons :P |
| 00:04.15 | foxlit | Iriel: thanks, that works awesomelly :) |
| 00:04.25 | Iriel | foxlit: yay, cool. |
| 00:04.28 | foxlit | (Z changes to MOUSE3, everyone lives happily ever after) |
| 00:04.50 | foxlit | Just one more thing to clear up: what is the difference between an override binding and an ordinary one? |
| 00:04.57 | Iriel | foxlit: If you give the button a predictable name, and set up a binding for "CLICK WhateverYouCallIt" then you should be set |
| 00:05.13 | Iriel | an override binding takes precedence over a normal binding,but doesn't alter the normal one |
| 00:05.21 | Iriel | I use them in test code so I dont screw up my key bindings |
| 00:05.22 | Iriel | they |
| 00:05.27 | Iriel | they're really intended for popups |
| 00:05.38 | Iriel | e.g. you popup a temporary menu and can use 1-9 to select options |
| 00:05.46 | Iriel | when the menu goes away, 1-9 revert to their normal meanings |
| 00:06.01 | foxlit | Aha, and calling SetBinding* will cause any key you bind to be unbound from any ordinary bindings? |
| 00:06.15 | Iriel | Yes |
| 00:06.26 | Iriel | (though it's not permanent if you dont save it) |
| 00:06.40 | Iriel | override bindings are cleaner, especially because you can have multiple overrides on the same key and they 'work right' |
| 00:06.51 | Iriel | and you can clear all of the overrides belonging to a single frame |
| 00:08.05 | Iriel | I wouldn't recommend keeping the override in your finished addon, it should be a normal binding |
| 00:08.26 | foxlit | Unless the binding is truly temporary? |
| 00:08.27 | Iriel | otherwise it may be confusing |
| 00:08.29 | Iriel | Yeah |
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| 00:10.05 | foxlit | Okay, thanks for the explanation. I had a clearing problem earlier due to combat lockdown, suppose that's the artifact of overrides being intended for secure templates |
| 00:10.23 | Maldivia | speaking of bindings... all the set*binding* functions are protected, right? |
| 00:10.29 | Iriel | In combat, yes |
| 00:11.41 | foxlit | Iriel: "and set up a binding for "CLICK WhateverYouCallIt"" -- there's a way to do that securely that does not involve hooking UPDATE_BINDINGS and changing the binding? :) |
| 00:11.57 | Kalroth | http://zensiert.to/media/1/20080112-7.jpg |
| 00:12.01 | Iriel | foxlit: yeah, one sec |
| 00:12.13 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.13 | Maldivia | Kalroth: haha |
| 00:12.19 | Iriel | for example 8-) |
| 00:12.24 | Iriel | in Bindings.xml |
| 00:12.27 | Iriel | works like a charm |
| 00:12.40 | Iriel | you just need to give it an empty body, I do ... |
| 00:12.48 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.49 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.49 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.00 | Iriel | It's SUPPOSED to let you do <Binding name="CLICK ButtonName"/> |
| 00:13.06 | foxlit | How does one localize that, since name is typically used for caption? |
| 00:13.10 | Iriel | But they broke the empty-element thing at one point |
| 00:13.21 | Iriel | You have to use setglobal or _G |
| 00:13.22 | foxlit | (Yeah, noticed that in the regular binding mechanism a bit earlier, using "do end" at the moment) |
| 00:13.36 | Iriel | _G["BINDING_NAME_CLICK PopupActionsButton:pg1"] = "Toggle popup bar 1 (Red)"; |
| 00:13.51 | foxlit | regular global, got it. |
| 00:14.24 | Iriel | I get perverse pleasure from putting entries with spaces in the global symbol table too |
| 00:15.17 | Maldivia | _G["false"]=true -- could be fun if it worked :) |
| 00:16.21 | Cide | or _G[false] = true |
| 00:18.44 | Kalroth | Just put "_G[_G[false]] = !_G[_G[true]]" on a 5 second timer! |
| 00:19.06 | Kalroth | It'll make debugging interesting. |
| 00:19.12 | Cide | indeed it would |
| 00:19.44 | Kalroth | I think, I didn't really think it through |
| 00:20.51 | Maldivia | Kalroth: well, won't really ever get started :) |
| 00:21.12 | Kalroth | Yeah, I realize that now :) |
| 00:21.16 | Cide | could just do _G[false] = not false |
| 00:21.19 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 00:21.43 | Maldivia | well, the other thing looks cooler... :) |
| 00:21.56 | Cide | meh :P |
| 00:21.58 | Kalroth | I just wanted to generate some situations where true is actually true |
| 00:22.15 | Kalroth | but I guess it's not that easy with bit switches only :) |
| 00:23.19 | Shirik | _G["true"], _G["false"] = _G["false"], _G["true"] |
| 00:23.48 | Cide | I'd prefer a third state, where true == false |
| 00:23.50 | Cide | for hilarity |
| 00:23.53 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 00:24.36 | Kalroth | or just set true to nil/null |
| 00:24.58 | Kalroth | Lua uses null, yeah? |
| 00:25.04 | Cide | nil |
| 00:25.31 | Kalroth | _G["null"] = nil |
| 00:25.32 | zenzelezz | I tend to think of quantum computing in terms of booleans... they may or may not be true or false |
| 00:25.32 | Kalroth | Sorted! |
| 00:28.09 | [Liquidor] | http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8813/c97123854516152so9.jpg |
| 00:28.44 | Kalroth | hot |
| 00:29.51 | Xinhuan | [1/13 08:20:43] <Kalroth> Just put "_G[_G[false]] = !_G[_G[true]]" on a 5 second timer! |
| 00:29.53 | Xinhuan | my brain hurts |
| 00:30.13 | Kalroth | Well it's a useless computation :P |
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| 00:39.34 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB Improved Taxi Interface |
| 00:39.49 | Thunder_Child | how much? |
| 00:40.08 | Cide | taxi interface? I almost never use taxis anymore |
| 00:40.17 | Cide | what needs improvements? :P |
| 00:40.44 | clad|sleep | yeah, what needs improvements? |
| 00:48.01 | art3mis | did aguf used to be able to hide the blizzard buff frame? |
| 00:48.08 | malreth | the suspense is killing me... i want to know the improvements too |
| 00:48.26 | Cide | personal taxi assistants? |
| 00:48.54 | foxlit | "Turn this gryphon around!" |
| 00:49.09 | art3mis | Thunder_Child: showing total cost for the trip on hover over, the ability to "store" rights so that a single click talk might automagically take you to the default spot(sorta like gossipe skip and quest turn in i suppsoe) |
| 00:49.20 | Cide | giving you the price/time ratio for each flightpath |
| 00:49.21 | art3mis | rights==rides |
| 00:49.52 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, why did you ping me with that? |
| 00:52.18 | malreth | Thunder_Child: |
| 00:52.25 | Thunder_Child | ~lart malreth |
| 00:52.25 | purl | judo chops malreth |
| 00:52.36 | Thunder_Child | at least art3mis had a reason....i think... |
| 00:53.10 | art3mis | cuz i did that read a line and type the name without reaalizing i was on a new persons line thing again |
| 00:53.24 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 00:53.41 | art3mis | shuold have been to cide ;) |
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| 00:54.25 | Thunder_Child | Cide, this bumbleing fool wants you to read something |
| 00:54.34 | Cide | I did |
| 00:54.37 | Cide | but I didn't bother replying |
| 00:54.44 | art3mis | cuz he's a jerk |
| 00:54.47 | art3mis | so anyways |
| 00:54.55 | Thunder_Child | so it seems |
| 00:54.57 | art3mis | didnt aguf used to hide the blizz buff/debuff frame? |
| 00:55.15 | Thunder_Child | pitbull has a select box for it |
| 00:55.25 | art3mis | pitbull is a walking pile of crap ;P |
| 00:55.36 | Thunder_Child | but it's the best walking pile of crap |
| 00:55.50 | art3mis | thats subjective |
| 00:56.03 | Hjalte | I'm happy with Pitbull. |
| 00:56.03 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 00:56.08 | Thunder_Child | but i'm still right |
| 00:56.17 | art3mis | not for me you're not |
| 00:56.24 | art3mis | and anyways that still doesnt answer my question |
| 00:56.50 | art3mis | "hey man didnt the old fords used to ahve 5 wheels?" "chevy's have 4" "uh huh and?" |
| 00:58.40 | malreth | the answer is "ford sucks" |
| 00:59.12 | Cide | 5 > 4, thus ford > chevy |
| 00:59.41 | Cide | less is more, which gives that "chevy sucks more" |
| 01:00.47 | Maldivia | Hmm, anyone here have any knowledge of cable modems and signal strength (SNR in particular) |
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| 01:14.39 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:49] <art3mis> Thunder_Child: showing total cost for the trip on hover over, the ability to "store" rights so that a single click talk might automagically take you to the default spot(sorta like gossipe skip and quest turn in i suppsoe) <--i was thinking more among the lines of "NOT HAVING THE FUCKING RENDERING BREAK" which then causes me to have to check with /dump what number belongs to which spot and then having to use /z to take that nod |
| 01:24.29 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: sounds like a problem with your addons... doesn't happen to me |
| 01:35.42 | malreth | don't ponder... just get it |
| 01:35.55 | |pez| | is it awesome? |
| 01:36.01 | malreth | live on ramen for 3 months |
| 01:36.01 | |pez| | will you give me money? :D |
| 01:36.21 | malreth | sell unneeded belongings for money |
| 01:36.22 | |pez| | I don't think you know how little my income is XD |
| 01:36.26 | malreth | simplify your life |
| 01:36.42 | malreth | if people ask, tell them you're minimalizing your apt |
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| 01:39.07 | |pez| | I need to be awesome at webdesign I think. |
| 01:39.20 | |pez| | and work with my old faulty computer, until I get enough money. |
| 01:40.44 | art3mis | you're in norway just take up fetish modelling ;) |
| 01:41.14 | malreth | lol |
| 01:41.18 | malreth | well, there's that |
| 01:41.37 | malreth | take pictures of your feet... sell them on the interblag |
| 01:41.53 | |pez| | I don't think anyone would want me as a model >__> |
| 01:42.08 | malreth | you underestimate the depravity of people out there |
| 01:42.12 | art3mis | perhaps you're confused as to what "fetish" means ;P |
| 01:42.43 | |pez| | also, I am not comfertable with my body around other people than the boyfriend. |
| 01:42.54 | malreth | your body won't be around those people |
| 01:42.57 | |pez| | so modeling of any kind, is mostly just a nuuh. |
| 01:43.17 | malreth | plus, with that shiny hot mac book pro, you'll quickly forget your personal morals and ethics |
| 01:43.26 | art3mis | OR |
| 01:43.40 | art3mis | just get a checp PC laptop thats awesome and run hackintosh on it ;P |
| 01:43.53 | art3mis | then you can pretend its a macbook only with better hardware ;) |
| 01:44.00 | art3mis | and 80 times cheaper |
| 01:44.19 | Cide | but it's not white with an apple logo on it |
| 01:44.23 | malreth | right... why not tell her to install linux... it'll be less trouble |
| 01:44.27 | |pez| | the macbook pro isn't white. |
| 01:44.30 | |pez| | it's.. silverlike. |
| 01:44.31 | Cide | whatever. |
| 01:44.47 | Cide | it's what you spend half of the money on, in any case |
| 01:44.48 | |pez| | I was gonna go install linux on it if I got it XD |
| 01:45.16 | malreth | why would you do that? Mac OX X is perfect. |
| 01:45.24 | malreth | s/OX/OS |
| 01:45.28 | |pez| | I don't like OS X |
| 01:45.31 | malreth | ~fail me |
| 01:45.31 | purl | malreth: Fail. |
| 01:45.45 | malreth | you'll grow to like it. don't worry. |
| 01:45.48 | malreth | along with modeling |
| 01:46.30 | art3mis | cide: thats what makes it sexy nerdy |
| 01:46.38 | art3mis | plus you can always paint it ;) |
| 01:46.44 | art3mis | and put a Pear Logo ;) |
| 01:46.44 | Cide | s/sexy/stupidly/ |
| 01:46.54 | art3mis | not at all |
| 01:47.04 | art3mis | nerdy is running OS's on machines that werent meant for them |
| 01:47.22 | art3mis | ie linux on an xbox netbsd on a toaster etc etc etc |
| 01:47.43 | art3mis | osx is a GREAT bsd based os |
| 01:47.50 | malreth | i miss my toaster... |
| 01:47.58 | Cide | I love my vista toaster |
| 01:48.05 | art3mis | if you're gonna but linux on it you may as well find a cheap 50$ 1990's dell and use that instead ;) |
| 01:48.27 | art3mis | cuz thats all linux deserves ;) |
| 01:48.52 | nevcairiel | thats all linux needs to own your ass :P |
| 01:49.06 | art3mis | not mine ;P |
| 01:49.11 | art3mis | Long live the Daemon ;) |
| 01:49.32 | |pez| | the macbook pro looks sleek, and is, as far as I know, quite a decent laptop |
| 01:49.40 | |pez| | for.. not a very cheap price, but still. |
| 01:49.45 | art3mis | hardware wise macs are insanely limited |
| 01:49.49 | Iriel | I have one, its delicious |
| 01:49.55 | art3mis | thats really the only reason they run as good as they do |
| 01:49.59 | malreth | it'll last you for years |
| 01:50.08 | art3mis | internal hardware i mean |
| 01:50.11 | Iriel | from a laptop front, they're all "insanely limited" |
| 01:50.19 | Iriel | dell, ibm, apple |
| 01:50.41 | |pez| | it's either getting a nice laptop, or building a desktop. But lately, i find sitting at a desktop is... weird. |
| 01:50.51 | art3mis | and yet no matter who makes it with whatever hardware thats in each mdoel windows and linux supports it ;P |
| 01:50.53 | art3mis | OSX doesnt |
| 01:51.22 | art3mis | macs only come in 1 flavour |
| 01:51.24 | art3mis | vanilla |
| 01:51.36 | malreth | vanilla is a nice flavor |
| 01:51.52 | art3mis | although i will say one thing |
| 01:52.05 | art3mis | the mac wow client kicks the crap out of the windows and nix emulation versions |
| 01:52.16 | malreth | i added vanilla to my latest batch of eggnog |
| 01:52.30 | malreth | i had eggs, cream, and milk... suddenly had a craving for nog |
| 01:52.31 | art3mis | pure or fake? |
| 01:52.38 | malreth | raw |
| 01:52.45 | art3mis | mmmmm |
| 01:53.10 | malreth | with cognac |
| 01:54.17 | |pez| | (I also want to be able to play WoW decently, on the laptop I decide upon ) |
| 01:55.38 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/newui.jpg <-- boredom |
| 01:56.03 | art3mis | and yes thats the dancing troll village you see flying to and from darkshore |
| 01:56.49 | |pez| | I love that XD |
| 01:57.02 | art3mis | prats not behaving right though |
| 01:57.10 | art3mis | for some reason its eatting all my whispers |
| 01:58.40 | |pez| | I'll probably lean towards a macbook pro, a lot because apple is the king of cool accessories ;P |
| 01:59.28 | Kalroth | Cide: Can I report ctprofiles bugs to you and you'll just fix them as I say them?! |
| 01:59.30 | Iriel | I haven't had any regrets about switching from an IBM thinkpad to a MacBook Pro |
| 01:59.41 | Iriel | Granted I went from linux to OSX, not windows to OSX |
| 01:59.42 | Cide | Kalroth: read the newspost |
| 01:59.51 | |pez| | Iriel: so in your opinion, it rawks? |
| 02:00.01 | |pez| | I'll probably go windows -> linux ;P |
| 02:00.06 | Kalroth | Cide: I did, but it doesn't mention a specific person on irc! |
| 02:00.18 | Iriel | dont put linux on a macbook |
| 02:00.20 | Cide | I'm not working on that stuff |
| 02:00.26 | Iriel | Unless you have some bizarre need for it |
| 02:00.31 | Iriel | OSX is all the unix you need |
| 02:00.42 | |pez| | I know of some dude who's done it, works like a charm for him |
| 02:00.52 | Iriel | It's not about whether you NEED to |
| 02:00.55 | |pez| | but then again... he isn't really the normal kind of users. |
| 02:00.56 | Iriel | it's about whether there's any point |
| 02:01.10 | |pez| | he's not using any normal window application thingie. |
| 02:01.23 | Iriel | OSX has a nice solid unix back-end, but a delicious presentation layer |
| 02:02.38 | |pez| | Hmm |
| 02:02.53 | |pez| | But I never could get used to the way it handles windows. |
| 02:02.54 | Iriel | and this is coming from someone who used linux laptops for the previous 8 years |
| 02:03.15 | Iriel | I will admit, i'm still not 100% over focus follows mouse |
| 02:03.39 | Iriel | but most of the time I dont notice |
| 02:03.50 | Iriel | Dont get me wrong, there is a transition period |
| 02:04.44 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 02:04.57 | |pez| | I worked with OS X on school computers... didn't really enjoy that part. |
| 02:05.14 | |pez| | But ofcourse, school computers aren't raelly comparable |
| 02:05.15 | Iriel | recently or older? |
| 02:05.21 | Iriel | I hear not so good things about the early versions |
| 02:05.38 | |pez| | We had 9.2 and OS X I think |
| 02:05.40 | |pez| | so probably older. |
| 02:05.55 | |pez| | We quite frequently got the "bathing ball from hell" |
| 02:06.32 | |pez| | which is the oh so colorfull swirl of waiting. |
| 02:07.33 | Iriel | Ah yes, that.. |
| 02:07.41 | |pez| | But ofcourse, I can always start out with trying to use OS X, customise it to a way I like it.... and if that fails, get linux.:P |
| 02:08.17 | art3mis | it shuold be noted however that iriel also eats babies ;P |
| 02:08.17 | |pez| | this will sound like a odd question, but can I skin OS X? >__> |
| 02:08.24 | Iriel | and there's always linux-under-a-VM like parallels or vmware fusion |
| 02:08.29 | art3mis | to a degree yeah |
| 02:08.42 | art3mis | antyhing you can do themewise to linux you can do to osx |
| 02:08.46 | Iriel | art3mis: Only when they post stupid questions on the UI forum |
| 02:09.18 | Iriel | I believe there are lots of programs out there to let you do crazy things with the visuals, though 'built in' the look and feel is pretty standardized. |
| 02:09.26 | kd3 | people /don't/ post stupid questions on the UI forum? |
| 02:09.31 | Iriel | I dont really have a problem with the default look so I dont complain |
| 02:09.47 | |pez| | Iriel: Aah, but I guess getting one of those programs isn't *too* hard to come by. |
| 02:10.18 | bleeter | blizz banning afks = ++++ ... afker's threatening physical violence to drysc = ---- /sigh |
| 02:10.42 | kd3 | like that wasn't expected at all |
| 02:11.05 | bleeter | the bit I like is the Death and Taxes crybaby admitting to using bots and foo |
| 02:11.12 | bleeter | and guildies coming into the same thread and supporting him |
| 02:11.27 | bleeter | and describing how to get around the afk debuff etc. |
| 02:11.57 | bleeter | like the quote from hortus in my new sig says, "Unfortunately people being jerks is not a bug either. :(" |
| 02:12.28 | art3mis | hrm i actually like this layout |
| 02:13.01 | art3mis | and trinity bars is so amazingly awesome |
| 02:14.44 | |pez| | damnit, this is all the boyfriends fault, me drooling for a macbook pro. |
| 02:14.56 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. macbook pro... |
| 02:17.04 | bleeter | oh, so now the OP threatening to rip Drysc a new one reckons he was just trolling and didn't mean it at all... what's the stupidity rating do you think? |
| 02:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | on a scale of 1-10? |
| 02:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | 1 mole |
| 02:24.20 | bleeter | |pez|: simple solution, get a new boyfriend |
| 02:24.38 | Iriel | Better stil, get the current BF to get you a Mac Book pro |
| 02:24.50 | bleeter | s/get you/give you his/ |
| 02:24.59 | bleeter | ^^ bestest |
| 02:25.36 | Iriel | meh, get a new one is better |
| 02:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | even better.. keep your existing boyfriend, and get a new one who will buy you a new mac pro. *nod* |
| 02:33.10 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 02:33.13 | Wobin_ | latest wine |
| 02:33.16 | Wobin_ | anyone have issues? |
| 02:34.17 | |pez| | Iriel: question for you! |
| 02:35.09 | Iriel | yes? |
| 02:35.29 | |pez| | The Spaces thing, do you use it? |
| 02:35.46 | Iriel | hell yes |
| 02:35.57 | Iriel | I missed linux virtual desktops until it showed up |
| 02:35.57 | |pez| | more or less like virtual desktops right? |
| 02:36.20 | Iriel | Exactly like, really |
| 02:36.42 | Iriel | I'm using it now, in fact |
| 02:36.43 | |pez| | So, my followupquestion, can I have one application open in several spaces? (e.g two instances of Safari ;P ) |
| 02:36.55 | Iriel | I have IRC on all spaces, but aperture on one of its own, and most of my other junk on another |
| 02:37.10 | Iriel | You can have multiple windows from the same application on multiple spaces, yes |
| 02:37.22 | Iriel | Whether they're separare instance of the app is up to the app |
| 02:37.32 | Iriel | I have terminal windows on several spaces right now |
| 02:37.43 | |pez| | So I can seperate two instances of a browser, into two different spaces? :D |
| 02:37.55 | Iriel | and regularly have different firefox windows on different spaces |
| 02:38.19 | |pez| | awesome ^^ |
| 02:38.42 | Iriel | I rather like the F8-to-see-all-spaces-at-once thing too |
| 02:38.43 | |pez| | usefull for browsing the web on one space, and doing web development on another, without having a shitload of extra windows. :P |
| 02:38.46 | Iriel | nice to drag windows around |
| 02:38.49 | bleeter | Wobin_: not me |
| 02:38.52 | Iriel | that's what I do, yeah.. |
| 02:39.11 | Iriel | and I can use full screen for things like eclipse and aperture which work best with a lot of screen real-estate |
| 02:40.13 | kd3 | bah. 0/2 against AV premades |
| 02:40.18 | Wobin_ | hm, somethings screwy with my rightclick |
| 02:40.21 | art3mis | hrm it appears that my /r to reply is broken |
| 02:40.26 | Iriel | the Only thing that bugs me visually about OSX is that the title bar thing doesn't show up on my 2nd monitor when it's connected |
| 02:41.22 | |pez| | the top bar thingie? |
| 02:41.54 | art3mis | the gnome dock app bar |
| 02:42.18 | art3mis | where all the commands are |
| 02:42.19 | Iriel | mac apps have their menu bar on the top of the screen |
| 02:42.24 | Iriel | the bar changes with the active app |
| 02:42.33 | Iriel | if you have 2 monitors, the bar's only on the first one |
| 02:42.42 | Iriel | this is good in that you have the whole of the 2nd monitor to play with |
| 02:42.58 | Iriel | or annoying if the active app is on the 2nd monitor and you have to drag your cursor alllll the way back over to the other one |
| 02:43.06 | |pez| | Use photoshop on OS X? |
| 02:43.42 | Iriel | I haven't much, but I do have it.. photoshop (and most apps) let you do most things from popup/pulldown menus in the windows anyway, so it's largely a non-issue |
| 02:44.24 | |pez| | I tend to put apps I use the most, in the 1st monitor, if I have several to use. |
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| 02:51.03 | |pez| | One of the things that I'd really have to find though, is some awesomly cool text editor. |
| 02:54.30 | batrick | !g gvim |
| 02:54.32 | batbot | batrick: welcome home : vim online <http://www.vim.org/> |
| 02:54.33 | batrick | there ya go |
| 02:54.55 | |pez| | Oh, lol, thanks XD |
| 02:55.19 | batrick | yw |
| 02:55.36 | Seerah | I <3 Notepad++ |
| 02:55.54 | Iriel | emacs is the greatest text editor |
| 02:55.58 | |pez| | I love notepad ++ too, but if I change to OSX, I doubt I'll get to use it much ;P |
| 02:55.59 | Iriel | no matter what those vi folks say |
| 02:56.07 | art3mis | did hunters get some sort of immunity to fear recently? |
| 02:56.16 | art3mis | i dont think ive seen one land in abut 4 weeks |
| 02:57.28 | |pez| | I feel I drool too much for a macbook pro now. |
| 02:57.32 | |pez| | need to raise funds! ... |
| 02:57.45 | Antiarc | art3mis: Beast within? |
| 02:57.50 | art3mis | dunno |
| 02:57.56 | Antiarc | Are they large and red? |
| 02:58.02 | art3mis | nope |
| 02:58.27 | |pez| | byebye Iriel, thanks for answering my questions ^__^ |
| 02:59.56 | batrick | Iriel is a liar :( |
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| 03:09.03 | Iriel|AFK | batrick: You just can't handle emacs |
| 03:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | emacs isn't a text editor, it's an entire os |
| 03:12.30 | batrick | sif |
| 03:12.34 | batrick | vim > * |
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| 03:13.09 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane? |
| 03:13.20 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: ? |
| 03:13.41 | |pez| | entire os? :p |
| 03:15.27 | NightHawkTheSane | in that it can do basically everything. |
| 03:15.36 | |pez| | aha |
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| 03:24.32 | batrick | pez don't believe what they tell u |
| 03:24.56 | |pez| | batrick: what don't you want me to believe? |
| 03:25.14 | batrick | eh that emacs > vi |
| 03:25.20 | batrick | they just don't want to do the work to love vi :) |
| 03:25.21 | |pez| | right XD |
| 03:35.35 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion velanda |
| 03:35.37 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Velanda, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (40/0/21). 9638 HP; 9443 Mana; 202 mana regen; 77 mp5; 10257 Armour; 4.03% melee crit; 151 spell crit; 477 +spell dmg; 1420 +heal; 4.03% dodge; 5.00% block; 256 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1190 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23elha ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ct6op ][ Updated: Sat Jan 12 22:42:11 2008 EST ]] |
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| 03:43.29 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion neoshi |
| 03:43.31 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Neoshi, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (5/8/48). 7987 HP; 5778 Mana; 103 mana regen; 21 mp5; 7248 Armour; 1260 AP; 221.100 Melee DPS; 24.16% melee crit; 55 melee hit; 49 +spell dmg/heal; 10.53% dodge; 5.40% block; 28 resilience;[[ TBR: 1621 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xvjey ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ad4lg ][ Updated: Sat Jan 12 22:50:05 2008 EST ]] |
| 03:44.40 | [dRaCo] | damn. |
| 03:46.09 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion horror |
| 03:46.12 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Horror, Level 70 Undead Priest (46/15/0). 7631 HP; 9422 Mana; 287 mana regen; 127 mp5; 466 +spell dmg; 1180 +heal; 4.78% dodge; 94 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1265 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2eyby6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39by65 ][ Updated: Sat Jan 12 22:52:46 2008 EST ]] |
| 03:46.36 | [dRaCo] | is burning legion a pvp realm? |
| 03:46.43 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 03:46.58 | [dRaCo] | fine then |
| 03:47.08 | |Jelly| | Sorry. I guess I should be PMing him. I'm just doing recon on people. lol |
| 03:47.32 | [dRaCo] | na, go on |
| 03:48.03 | [dRaCo] | I'm drunk and just looking for something to... well, to distract me from being drunk |
| 03:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | porn |
| 03:48.32 | |Jelly| | ~porn |
| 03:48.33 | purl | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. |
| 03:48.46 | [dRaCo] | and yeah, when being drunk I pay special attention to typing... anything else? |
| 03:49.35 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:50.50 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 03:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i ought to be more drunk |
| 03:52.09 | [dRaCo] | I recommend vodka and energy drink. |
| 03:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i have neither |
| 03:52.21 | [dRaCo] | goes down like soft drinks |
| 03:53.11 | [dRaCo] | whatcha got? |
| 03:53.26 | |pez| | woo! brownies |
| 03:53.51 | [dRaCo] | brownies dont make ya drunk |
| 03:54.20 | |pez| | no, but it makes me happy |
| 03:54.29 | [dRaCo] | guess they do |
| 03:54.41 | [dRaCo] | it's chocolate, after all |
| 03:55.04 | Tem_ | vodka + energy drink = SUPER ZOMG HANGOVER |
| 03:55.11 | NightHawkTheSane | all i have is two bottles of beer, and two bottles of iwne |
| 03:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | wine |
| 03:55.13 | |pez| | Tem: pfft |
| 03:55.20 | Tem_ | I reccomend just the vodka |
| 03:55.22 | [dRaCo] | yeah... I can take that, Tem_ |
| 03:55.36 | |pez| | i never get hungover |
| 03:55.37 | Tem_ | besides, mixing it with the energy drink is wasting it anyway |
| 03:55.38 | |pez| | go me |
| 03:55.50 | [dRaCo] | Tem_: depends on the vodka |
| 03:56.02 | Tem_ | oh well |
| 03:56.05 | [dRaCo] | if it's above 10 euro a bottle, yeah |
| 03:56.07 | Tem_ | I'm a whiskey man anyway |
| 03:57.04 | [dRaCo] | had 2 southern comfort, too... |
| 03:57.14 | |pez| | Aaah, I remember the first time I was drinking... and then I don't remember a thing |
| 03:57.51 | [dRaCo] | welcome home :P |
| 03:58.07 | [dRaCo] | 0o |
| 03:58.08 | |pez| | Vodka and juice, and tequila shots is totally not the way to go when you've never really touched alchohol before. :P |
| 03:58.28 | [dRaCo] | yeah, could have told you before... |
| 03:58.34 | [dRaCo] | but you didnt ask |
| 03:58.37 | Tem|GONE | yo |
| 03:58.44 | |pez| | Few years ago that |
| 03:59.06 | |pez| | I was actually 17.5 the first time I touched alcohol for more than a small sip. |
| 03:59.56 | [dRaCo] | that's pretty late for european standards... |
| 04:00.05 | |pez| | I know. |
| 04:00.17 | |pez| | heck, I lost my virginity late too. :P |
| 04:00.20 | [dRaCo] | but since it's 0400 gmt, I'm gonna shut up and not say a thing ;) |
| 04:01.39 | [dRaCo] | as long it was fun there's nothing to say 'bout that, pez ;) |
| 04:02.09 | |pez| | it wasn't, actually. |
| 04:02.36 | [dRaCo] | yeah... well. but it got better |
| 04:02.47 | |pez| | Defenetly |
| 04:03.03 | |pez| | the not fun part about it was more or less the dude I did it with, totally denied it. >__0 |
| 04:04.52 | [dRaCo] | wonder how many people are happy with their first time. na, lets not get there. |
| 04:05.00 | [dRaCo] | 'nother topic, anyone? |
| 04:06.13 | |pez| | but my sexlife is an awesome topic!....only not really. |
| 04:06.29 | |pez| | I want to buy an xbox 360 |
| 04:06.36 | [dRaCo] | why? |
| 04:06.57 | |pez| | cause it has some games I want to play. |
| 04:07.05 | End | because it has a lot to do with her sexlife |
| 04:07.12 | End | we're never actually changed topics |
| 04:07.25 | End | we* |
| 04:07.26 | [dRaCo] | and they're not going to be released for pc? |
| 04:07.35 | Cide | xbox, sex - see the resemblance? |
| 04:07.40 | |pez| | I like console games. |
| 04:07.52 | Cide | I love my wii |
| 04:07.59 | [dRaCo] | End: na, the console that's got sex... yeah, wii |
| 04:08.03 | Cide | but I hate the fact that rockband isn't being released for it |
| 04:08.11 | |pez| | I love my Wii too. |
| 04:08.23 | |pez| | But I want the xbox 350 |
| 04:08.31 | |pez| | and a playstation 3, just to have one. |
| 04:08.44 | [dRaCo] | yeah, I want a lotta money, too |
| 04:08.54 | |pez| | but since I can only think of games I really want for the 360... I'll go with that one first. |
| 04:09.03 | |pez| | But even before that! ... a macbook pro. |
| 04:09.06 | [dRaCo] | name 'em |
| 04:09.10 | [dRaCo] | the games, that is |
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| 04:09.47 | |pez| | Kingdom Hearts :D |
| 04:10.04 | drc|away | yehaw |
| 04:10.06 | drc|away | my ISP hates me |
| 04:10.11 | drc|away | re |
| 04:10.16 | |pez| | rere |
| 04:10.34 | drc|away | anything before kingdom hearts? |
| 04:10.41 | |pez| | I'd also like to play Halo 3. XD |
| 04:11.02 | drc|away | I personally hate FSP on consoles. |
| 04:11.25 | |pez| | they remind me of Goldeneye on the N64. |
| 04:11.28 | |pez| | I rawked at that game |
| 04:11.31 | Cide | they work fine on wii for obvious reasons |
| 04:11.36 | Cide | goldeneye was awesome |
| 04:11.37 | drc|away | that's because I suck on console FSPs, tough, i guess |
| 04:11.58 | |pez| | my brother and two of his friends used to gang up on me and try kick my ass. |
| 04:12.04 | |pez| | I won most of the time ^___^ |
| 04:12.44 | drc|away | guess they were pretty unhappy 'bout that |
| 04:13.18 | |pez| | they went and did something else instead. |
| 04:13.51 | drc|away | like? na, wait. dont tell me. |
| 04:14.27 | |pez| | I have no idea what they did. :P they left me at the N64. |
| 04:14.45 | drc|away | pretty lame |
| 04:14.45 | |pez| | anyway, I'm too tired for this XD I think I'm gonna go sleep. |
| 04:15.09 | drc|away | yeah, good night. sleep better than I'm gonna ;) |
| 04:15.10 | |pez| | and fall asleep before the boyfriend comes to bed. His bodyheat renders me unable to sleep ^^;; |
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| 04:16.17 | drc|away | steal his blanket :> |
| 04:16.24 | |pez| | I try to get away from his grasp when he sleeps, but after a while he just follows me to the corner of the bed and holds around me again |
| 04:16.30 | |pez| | and I'm squished towards the wall. |
| 04:16.58 | drc|away | meanie... him |
| 04:17.11 | |pez| | it's kinda cute though XD |
| 04:17.20 | |pez| | he grumbles in his sleep, and grabs a hold of me again |
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| 04:19.29 | drc|away | wonder if I tend to do that, too |
| 04:22.39 | Tem | drc|away, wtf is a "PSF"? |
| 04:22.51 | Tem | (*snicker*) |
| 04:23.03 | Tem | er, damnit |
| 04:23.08 | Tem | I typod your typo |
| 04:23.16 | drc|away | ha, you screwed up, too :P |
| 04:23.46 | drc|away | FPS is what I meant, obviously |
| 04:23.54 | drc|away | and I blame it on the vodka. |
| 04:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay all, I've got a request. Could anyone either (1) do up some basic lua which creates a secure frame that will cast a spell, or (2) point me to some incredibly simple addon that would serve as a good reference point for that? |
| 04:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (The goal here is to, gasp, learn secure frames) |
| 05:02.04 | Tem | local button = CreateFrame("Button","MySpellBytton",UIParent,"SecureButtonTemplate") |
| 05:02.13 | Tem | button:SetAttribute("type","spell") |
| 05:02.29 | Tem | button:SetAttribute("spell","Lesser Healing Wave") |
| 05:02.34 | Tem | done |
| 05:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough. |
| 05:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 05:03.08 | Tem | that's probably 98% too simple to learn from, though |
| 05:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I have some of my own code for a fair bit of the frame stuff |
| 05:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure given those three lines I can get the gist of it |
| 05:03.41 | Tem | I would check the comments in SecureTemplates.lua |
| 05:04.01 | Tem | they go into more detail with Modified attributes |
| 05:04.11 | Tem | things like "shift-type2" |
| 05:04.27 | Tem | and failing the comments, just read the code for GetModifiedAttribute |
| 05:05.01 | Tem | it may take a few read throughs to understand, but you'll be better off imo |
| 05:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I've read a fair bit of the source to the secure templates already, my main issues consist largely of understanding the frame system |
| 05:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (Hence my earlier mentioned reference code that I hacked together a while ago) |
| 05:06.36 | Fin | Luminescent Globes! |
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| 05:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ping |
| 05:12.06 | Fin | is there an EU suggestions thread in the forums? |
| 05:12.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 05:14.05 | Antiarc | rofl @ wow.incgamers. |
| 05:14.11 | Antiarc | Aaaahahaha. |
| 05:14.15 | Antiarc | Man, karma is a bitch. |
| 05:14.20 | Cairenn | ? |
| 05:14.21 | |Jelly| | what happened? |
| 05:14.34 | Antiarc | The infection from a couple of days ago |
| 05:14.52 | Antiarc | Just now catching up on it, and the boilerplate responses. Again. |
| 05:15.06 | Cairenn | yeah, and them deleting posts again, and .... |
| 05:15.09 | Antiarc | You'd really think that Rush would learn to not say IT'S CLEAN U R DUM RABBLE RABBLE |
| 05:15.49 | Antiarc | It's just really amusing in a morbid way to see their unprofessionality shine through. |
| 05:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I really enjoyed him saying over and over, |
| 05:16.16 | Antiarc | The fact that it just keeps on a-shinin' after they get their fingers burnt over and over is just icing. |
| 05:16.21 | Cairenn | Fin: I'm sorry, I don't know for sure, I don't spend as much time on the EU forums as I perhaps should, but it's hard to spend time reading over there when I can't answer |
| 05:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "It's clean! I swear! I JUST scanned it!" |
| 05:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | When in fact it WAS clean, but it was just backdoored to download the bad files. |
| 05:16.49 | Shirik | Well I gotta admit yes, his virus scanners were right |
| 05:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | They were |
| 05:16.58 | Antiarc | Well, ScytheBlade1, you see, virus scanners are perfect, and if Kapersky says there is no virus, it's CLEAN DAMMIT |
| 05:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's why you don't rely on the scanners |
| 05:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding ding ding |
| 05:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | We have a winner |
| 05:17.30 | Cairenn | that's why you take it seriously when your community says "I have a problem, it came from here" |
| 05:17.32 | Fin | Cairenn: thanks for the reply! kind of you :) I wasn't expecting a proper answer... I know really it's just because noone has an answer that noone answers, just being melodramatic I guess :) thank you though! |
| 05:17.41 | Antiarc | Of course, this uber-reliance on third-party tools to do final-say security checking probably has something to do with how they keep getting infected. |
| 05:17.58 | Cairenn | you don't just blow it off, especially after it has happened more than once already |
| 05:18.02 | Cairenn | Fin: you |
| 05:18.06 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 05:18.08 | Shirik | agree. I don't trust anything, I'm naturally skeptical |
| 05:18.18 | Antiarc | Cairenn: Yup. Your response to the wowi infection was perfect. |
| 05:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: nah I can blame that one on general stupidity and them making their site a HUGE target.. "Look! Download this EXE to make mods easier to install!" |
| 05:18.32 | Antiarc | Cairenn: And it didn't take it happening multiple times for you to "get it" ;) |
| 05:18.44 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Eh. Lots of sites have autoupdaters. |
| 05:18.49 | Shirik | Well ScytheBlade1, lots of places have that |
| 05:18.53 | Fin | that's not quite fair really |
| 05:18.55 | Antiarc | But they obviously have infrastructure security problems. |
| 05:18.57 | Shirik | Just ui.worldofwar apparently can't keep it secure |
| 05:19.03 | Antiarc | They can't keep people out of their machines. |
| 05:19.03 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less exactly |
| 05:19.06 | Fin | the purported aim is just to make addon management and maintenance easier |
| 05:19.09 | Cairenn | well, the fact that it had just happened to incgamers had us concerned to begin with, so of course we checked when their was the report of it on our site as well |
| 05:19.12 | Antiarc | Which isn't an exe problem, it's an adminstration problem |
| 05:19.40 | Cairenn | I'm just grateful that Shirik had kept on digging even after it looked like everything was clear |
| 05:19.58 | Antiarc | What's interesting to me is that this time, the trojan was in a .NET app |
| 05:20.00 | Shirik | heh I remember that |
| 05:20.01 | Antiarc | The previous one was a C++ app. |
| 05:20.11 | Antiarc | So they switched technologies somewhere. |
| 05:20.11 | Shirik | Antiarc: Yeah it was so awesome! The source was so easy to get |
| 05:20.25 | Antiarc | Shirik: Do you have a copy of the infected archive? |
| 05:20.28 | Fin | hooray for Shirik |
| 05:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: if he doesn't, I do |
| 05:20.31 | Antiarc | I'd like to poke at it when I have some free time |
| 05:20.33 | Shirik | The first thing that set me off was seeing a function "tianchong()" |
| 05:20.36 | Antiarc | rofl |
| 05:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha yeah |
| 05:20.43 | Antiarc | ubuygoldplzkthx() |
| 05:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | tianchong() made my day |
| 05:20.57 | Shirik | Antiarc: I should |
| 05:21.09 | Shirik | though I don't think many places would appreciate me sending it over email |
| 05:21.13 | Shirik | how do you want me to get it to you? |
| 05:21.29 | Antiarc | hrm |
| 05:21.41 | Shirik | Might be able to DCC but I think brighthouse blocks that |
| 05:22.20 | Antiarc | You could zip it with a password |
| 05:22.26 | Antiarc | Automated scanners can't get into those |
| 05:22.47 | Shirik | zip supports passwords? o.o |
| 05:22.50 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 05:22.58 | Antiarc | http://www.send-file.com/ mioght work too, I dunno |
| 05:23.12 | Antiarc | Though hm |
| 05:23.20 | Antiarc | I'm looking for a generic-file equivalent to imageshack |
| 05:23.45 | Antiarc | http://www.filecrunch.com/ looks simple enough |
| 05:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | "Couldn't find inhereted node 'SecureButtonTemplate'" |
| 05:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, wtf? |
| 05:24.35 | Tem | that's probably the wrong name |
| 05:24.43 | Tem | it's been like a year since I looked at that file |
| 05:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
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| 05:25.00 | Tem | perhaps it's SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 05:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds better |
| 05:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It sure is |
| 05:26.50 | art3mis | boobies yay \o/ http://www.memphisracingscene.com/pp/data/838/medium/boobies.JPG <-- sfw(sorta) |
| 05:27.14 | Antiarc | Man, I hope these trojan folks are nice enough to write all their trojans in .net from now on |
| 05:27.19 | Antiarc | Reflector is a lot easier than disassembly. |
| 05:27.59 | Shirik | it relaly is |
| 05:28.17 | Shirik | though the malicious file itself wasn't written in .NET :( |
| 05:28.27 | Shirik | but by that point it was rather obvious |
| 05:28.37 | Antiarc | Well, right |
| 05:28.42 | Antiarc | But the delivery vehicle is |
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| 05:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, these secure frames aren't as hard as they're cracked up to be |
| 05:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, I have yet to touch the state header, but still |
| 05:31.31 | Antiarc | Interesting. |
| 05:31.56 | Antiarc | Patcher.exe bears the name of the guy that wrote UICentral in its metadata. |
| 05:32.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Patcher.exe was modified, not created by the "bad people" |
| 05:32.21 | Antiarc | Which says that the trojan people either a) inserted this code into his uncompiled codebase, or b) inserted it post-compile to bytecode. |
| 05:32.25 | Antiarc | Ooh, okay. |
| 05:33.34 | Antiarc | He sure did get awfully defensive about it. Heh. |
| 05:33.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all he's really go at. |
| 05:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | *good |
| 05:35.33 | Tem | oh damn |
| 05:35.40 | Tem | I just logged onto an alt that I haven't been on in a while |
| 05:35.52 | Tem | I forgot I was using him as a money mule to keep me from spending all my gold |
| 05:36.01 | Tem | he has 3k that I completely forgot I had |
| 05:36.32 | Thunder_Child | "the pocket, it burnssss, it burnssss" |
| 05:36.40 | Tem | pretty much, yeah |
| 05:36.47 | Tem | my main had 2.5k |
| 05:36.57 | Thunder_Child | epic mount? |
| 05:36.58 | Tem | and I've only got 500 left there |
| 05:37.12 | Tem | yeah, this gold is what I have after buying my epic |
| 05:37.19 | Tem | gogo dailies |
| 05:37.29 | Tem | (and not bleeding gold by raiding) |
| 05:37.39 | Thunder_Child | cant do dailies, to much repeditiveness |
| 05:37.57 | Tem | I can do the ogri'la dailies in 15-20 minutes |
| 05:38.05 | Tem | and I <3 Shartuul |
| 05:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, dumb (unrelated) question. What's wrong with this macro? "/target focus; /follow" |
| 05:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | (And yes my focus is set) |
| 05:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont know why, but I had the idea to start making characters named after unix utilities |
| 05:41.10 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 05:41.13 | Thunder_Child | your focus isnt set |
| 05:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really curious here. It targets my focus just fine. It just doesn't follow. |
| 05:42.03 | Fin | can I ask |
| 05:42.11 | Fin | maybe /follow focus would be better? |
| 05:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that macro works fine for me, Thunder_Child |
| 05:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, that works fine |
| 05:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you fail. :P |
| 05:42.28 | Thunder_Child | follow doesnt have an argument afaik |
| 05:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 05:42.55 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt usually need one though |
| 05:42.57 | Fin | you know not so far! |
| 05:43.04 | Fin | pff |
| 05:43.32 | Thunder_Child | the question is, is why doesnt it work w/o a target |
| 05:43.32 | Fin | pretty much every action in the game works the same way, if you have a target set then you lose an argument, if not then you can specify one |
| 05:45.00 | Fin | install Cogwheel's Macrotalk and add something there to test it |
| 05:45.22 | Fin | possibly +shift |
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| 06:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this is kinda stumping me. How could I make a button make my character jump? |
| 06:06.12 | Fin | does it have a groovy rhythm? |
| 06:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've tried setting "type" to "action" and then "action" to "JUMP" but that just errors on me |
| 06:07.08 | Fin | oh, I see |
| 06:07.19 | Fin | not jump with the beat then |
| 06:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (ie, /dump GetBindingAction("SPACE"); |
| 06:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ) |
| 06:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, no |
| 06:08.33 | Fin | didn't Slouken make an addon once that had a pad for moving your character? |
| 06:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, MovePad |
| 06:08.42 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Last I checked, he just cheated and did secure = 1 in the .toc + signed it |
| 06:09.41 | Fin | aww, that's not fair |
| 06:09.41 | End | yup! |
| 06:09.56 | End | he has that power! |
| 06:10.10 | Fin | maybe he's a Thundercat in disguise |
| 06:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure there's a way to make my character jump, but I can't find it for the life of me :/ |
| 06:10.31 | Fin | well, what is space bound to by default? |
| 06:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "JUMP" |
| 06:10.44 | End | I don't see a way that you could |
| 06:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.23 | Fin | you know |
| 06:11.27 | Fin | I don't think you can |
| 06:11.46 | Fin | but can you CAN-CAN?! aha! that's jumping right there |
| 06:11.53 | Thunder_Child | dont think, do |
| 06:12.08 | End | ScytheBlade1: anyways, "action" just does actionbar buttons I thought? |
| 06:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | End: that's what I'm seeing now that I read the code in more detail |
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| 06:20.09 | Thunder_Child | Fin, i dont want to hear about you flashing |
| 06:22.11 | Fin | but I flash like a grand master! |
| 06:22.22 | Fin | can't stop this |
| 06:22.26 | Fin | flasher time |
| 06:23.24 | Fin | OK, I've looked for a nice easy let-me-be-lazy guide to levelling enchanting (in the same vein as the Tailoring guide on WoWWiki, for example), but my searchfu has failed me |
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| 06:23.43 | Fin | has anyone got any recommendations for a decent enchanting powerlevelling guide? |
| 06:23.46 | Thunder_Child | Fin, try the forums |
| 06:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Fin: your local auction house! |
| 06:24.21 | Fin | Thunder_Child: I have done, I will try again |
| 06:24.25 | Fin | ScytheBlade1: que? |
| 06:24.35 | Thunder_Child | he means buy them |
| 06:24.49 | Fin | you can buy guides? |
| 06:25.02 | Thunder_Child | no, the gems |
| 06:25.04 | Fin | I have ingrediments! lots |
| 06:25.06 | Thunder_Child | err..DE stuff |
| 06:25.08 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 06:25.14 | Fin | I've got lots of things to DE as well! |
| 06:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances of you having enough things to DE to get from 1 to even 300 is slim |
| 06:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | As it takes a LOT of low-level instances to manage :) |
| 06:25.47 | Fin | I just wanted a nice 1-2-3 guide that gives you an efficient and brainless way to get to 375 (or close) quickly |
| 06:25.59 | Thunder_Child | Fin, http://www.blizzardguides.com/Enchanting_guide.html ? |
| 06:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 06:27.55 | Fin | Thunder_Child: aha! that's an updated version of a guide that I found and was disappointed to discover only went up to 300 |
| 06:27.58 | Fin | thanks! |
| 06:28.02 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 06:28.43 | Fin | I'm all rodded up as well |
| 06:35.17 | Thunder_Child | http://www.almostgaming.com/wowguides/wow-enchanting-guide |
| 06:35.29 | Thunder_Child | http://wow.stratics.com/content/features/guides/enchant/ |
| 06:36.42 | Thunder_Child | Fin ^^ |
| 06:37.01 | Thunder_Child | lazy bastard |
| 06:37.33 | Fin | oh hey, thanks! the first one was enough I think :) |
| 06:37.52 | Thunder_Child | oh...i missread that |
| 06:38.05 | Thunder_Child | i thought you said IT only went to 3-- |
| 06:38.07 | Thunder_Child | 300* |
| 06:38.12 | Thunder_Child | my bad |
| 06:38.12 | Fin | that last one isn't so great really - and yes, I am lazy, but then that's why I'm looking for a guide in the first place! - it doesn't have a nice list of what you need at the top :) |
| 06:38.30 | Fin | sorry for any confusion |
| 06:38.49 | Fin | the guide I found only went to 300 - the one you linked is an updated version |
| 06:40.02 | Thunder_Child | hmm..woot is selling the mous i have and mine is falling apart |
| 06:40.06 | Thunder_Child | mouse* |
| 06:40.10 | Fin | I found that almostgaming.com one as well, it's... it's a bit shit really. (just critiquing the guides to show you that I did actually look myself before asking :) |
| 06:40.23 | Fin | oh, hey, woot |
| 06:40.25 | Thunder_Child | i'm still going to call you lazy |
| 06:40.27 | Thunder_Child | :P |
| 06:40.35 | Fin | I used to check that on and off |
| 06:40.38 | Fin | completely forgotten about it though |
| 06:40.44 | Thunder_Child | but i was going to get some new mouse |
| 06:40.46 | Fin | lazy is fine :) although you know, it's not my fault |
| 06:40.47 | Thunder_Child | ....boo |
| 06:40.55 | Fin | it's this genetic mutative disease virus I have |
| 06:41.01 | Fin | terrible symptoms |
| 06:41.03 | Thunder_Child | uh huh...suuure |
| 06:41.57 | Fin | I hold my hand on my heart and I swear unto the lords of kobol, this cylon is defective |
| 06:44.24 | Thunder_Child | my brain died, where is ratchet? |
| 06:44.56 | Fin | oh, hum, that first guide that I said was updated actually just has a short overview of 300-375 written by someone else tacked onto the end |
| 06:45.04 | Fin | south of Orgrimmar |
| 06:45.10 | Fin | East of Crossroads |
| 06:45.13 | Fin | which is in The Barrens |
| 06:45.15 | Fin | that's KALIMDOR |
| 06:45.19 | Thunder_Child | ah, thanks |
| 06:45.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Iriel|AFK |
| 06:45.27 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on Iriel|AFK |
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| 06:45.33 | Thunder_Child | i play allies |
| 06:46.25 | Thunder_Child | you can find it whatever you would like |
| 06:46.57 | Fin | I find it GUILTY! |
| 06:47.41 | Fin | of grievances most perverse against the proper nature of things |
| 06:47.53 | Fin | all those in favour, remain silent! |
| 06:48.10 | Fin | I'd love to be a judge |
| 06:48.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fin |
| 06:48.12 | purl | puts Fin into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Fin's hair of |
| 06:48.13 | Fin | I think I'd be really good |
| 06:48.25 | Iriel|AFK | TC is mid eastern barrens |
| 06:48.28 | Iriel|AFK | on the coast |
| 06:48.44 | Thunder_Child | yes, i am mid eastern barrens |
| 06:49.07 | Thunder_Child | i can see you are busy Iriel|AFK seeing as Fin answered it, but thanks anyway |
| 06:49.29 | Fin | at least you know he cares |
| 06:49.29 | Iriel|AFK | killing furbolgs |
| 06:50.41 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* more people need to know old english...i said "how doth it go" and she thought i was asking about lunch.... |
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| 06:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, Iriel|AFK is... not actually afk! |
| 06:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a question about the secure templates if you have a sec |
| 06:51.17 | Iriel|AFK | AF this K |
| 06:51.39 | Fin | A from the motherf-ing K, homeboy |
| 06:51.51 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, the furblogs bless you for taking Iriel|AFK's attention away |
| 06:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, heh, I just made a thread about it. |
| 06:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So I guess it doesn't matter |
| 06:52.14 | Fin | I fear 'twas for naught |
| 06:52.38 | Thunder_Child | naught indeed |
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| 07:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, ha |
| 07:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | SetOverrideBinding() ftw |
| 07:06.53 | Fin | ? |
| 07:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can use that to make my character jump when I mouse over and press a button of my liking. |
| 07:08.06 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping? |
| 07:08.43 | Shirik | oh Iriel|AFK too I guess, Iriel|AFK you use a mac right? |
| 07:08.56 | Iriel|AFK | I do, yes |
| 07:09.10 | Shirik | What is "repair disk permissions" ? |
| 07:09.28 | Shirik | someone is saying, well here let me quote it |
| 07:09.40 | Thunder_Child | it fixes messed up permissions |
| 07:09.42 | Thunder_Child | like it says |
| 07:09.52 | Shirik | [#] 02:06:41 [G] <70:Bijit>: hmm when i run a permissions diagnostic on my computer it says theres a problem with my hard drive |
| 07:09.58 | Shirik | is that just a symptom of a failing drivE? |
| 07:10.36 | Fin | I am so, so happy I found out about the double-click-camera-quickzoom thing |
| 07:10.40 | Thunder_Child | can be, i have received that on a drive i was trying to recover |
| 07:10.51 | Fin | Shirik: probably |
| 07:11.06 | Fin | hard to say without more detail |
| 07:11.33 | Fin | or... were you just pasting on multiple lines? |
| 07:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it goes through and mass changes the permissions on pretty close to all system related files |
| 07:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Sets em' to default |
| 07:12.10 | Shirik | ah |
| 07:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Have your `which time` chmodded to 4775? It'll fix that |
| 07:13.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, but it IS an indication of a problem, and a failing drive fits in there just fine |
| 07:13.13 | Iriel|AFK | From the online help: Disk Utility repairs the permissions for files installed by the Installer or Software Update preferences. It doesn’t repair permissions for your documents, your home directory, and some third-party applications, including those that aren’t installed by the Installe |
| 07:13.54 | Fin | it is, Thunder_Child? |
| 07:14.00 | Thunder_Child | other things that the Disk Utility can com back with thoes errors |
| 07:14.14 | Thunder_Child | Fin, sarcasim> |
| 07:14.16 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 07:14.19 | Shirik | thanks everyone :) |
| 07:14.33 | Fin | Thunder_Child: oh, heh |
| 07:14.53 | Thunder_Child | i mean were you being sarcastic? |
| 07:14.57 | Iriel|AFK | I'd suspect a misbehaving program before a failing drive if that's the ONLY error |
| 07:15.17 | Fin | Thunder_Child: oh, no - sorry |
| 07:15.35 | Thunder_Child | Fin, oh, then waht was the question exactly? |
| 07:15.52 | Fin | I don't think broken permissions are particularly indicative of a failing hard drive, at least, that's not what I would suspect first off if I found files with broken permissions |
| 07:16.07 | Fin | that's all |
| 07:16.11 | Thunder_Child | well it depends on the ammount |
| 07:16.17 | Thunder_Child | when i was doing it i found 50-100 |
| 07:16.21 | Thunder_Child | errors |
| 07:16.35 | Fin | but was that due to a dying drive? |
| 07:16.36 | Iriel|AFK | the way I see it, if that's ALL that's wrong then it's inconsistent with normal drive failures |
| 07:16.46 | Iriel|AFK | much more likely a software issue |
| 07:16.57 | Shirik | Well I've only done basic triage :P |
| 07:17.04 | Shirik | I don't trust this guy to tell me the details on the problem |
| 07:17.15 | Shirik | But I told him to go have a professional check it |
| 07:17.23 | Fin | if it's not all that's wrong, then the other issues are likely more prominent, I would've thought |
| 07:17.23 | Iriel|AFK | Tell him to do [Verify Disk] |
| 07:17.27 | Iriel|AFK | It's right there in Disk Utility |
| 07:17.52 | Shirik | what's that do? |
| 07:17.52 | Fin | but, if the "fix permissions" tool is reporting a problem with the hard drive..? |
| 07:18.11 | Shirik | Iriel|AFK: "That's what I did when the problem came up" |
| 07:18.12 | Iriel|AFK | it's like chkdisk |
| 07:18.28 | Shirik | "And it gave me errors in red" |
| 07:18.44 | Thunder_Child | direct him to www.newegg.com |
| 07:18.45 | Shirik | I don't know much about macs but red is usually bad |
| 07:18.51 | Fin | right :) s'why I said it was hard to say without more detail as my first response :) |
| 07:19.50 | Iriel|AFK | A permissions issue just means that a file isn't owned by the user it's expected to be, or has incorrect access controls |
| 07:20.03 | Iriel|AFK | it's not talking about file dat acorruption or anything |
| 07:20.30 | Thunder_Child | no, but it can be a symtom of a bad HDD |
| 07:20.49 | Thunder_Child | something of how mac and HDD's work |
| 07:20.52 | Iriel|AFK | yeah, but ON ITS OWN that's very very unlikely |
| 07:20.54 | Fin | well... depends on the error message, no? if there was a serious problem and it couldn't read the permissions in the first place, there'd still be an error reported |
| 07:22.17 | Iriel|AFK | I'd suggest the guy run the [Repair Disk Permissions |
| 07:22.23 | Iriel|AFK | Then run [Verify Disk] again |
| 07:22.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:23.15 | Shirik | <3 thanks |
| 07:23.44 | Fin | I suggest PANIC! followed by rash and uncontrolled actions such as hitting the keyboard, screaming at the monitor, and hurriedly forcing a power off because you wrongly believe the machine has GONE MAD! |
| 07:24.45 | Thunder_Child | i suggest dont panic....and a towel |
| 07:25.58 | Fin | either or |
| 07:26.15 | Shirik | I suggest http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 07:27.19 | Fin | what you don't know can't hurt you |
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| 07:28.44 | batrick | anyone know of a good subversion tutorial |
| 07:28.58 | Iriel|AFK | the svnbook, let me get the link |
| 07:29.10 | Iriel|AFK | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 07:29.19 | Fin | ~svn |
| 07:29.19 | purl | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 07:29.28 | Fin | ~svnbook |
| 07:29.41 | Fin | ~redbook |
| 07:29.41 | purl | rumour has it, redbook is http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ - a large respository of tech info |
| 07:29.59 | batrick | thanks Iriel |
| 07:31.19 | Thunder_Child | purl, snvbook is http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 07:31.20 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 07:32.42 | Fin | purl, svnbook is http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 07:32.43 | purl | Fin: okay |
| 07:32.57 | Fin | ~snv |
| 07:32.58 | Shirik | so I'm listening some of the old crap my brother used to listen to (Nelly) |
| 07:33.24 | Shirik | It's hilarious to have like 20 second sections just removed from the song because that's how much needed to be censored >< |
| 07:33.39 | Shirik | I'm sitting here like "... did the words just cut out?" |
| 07:37.30 | Fin | it's for your own protection |
| 07:37.37 | Fin | hearing the actual lyrics could cause you serious harm |
| 07:38.00 | Fin | lasting physical damage may occur |
| 07:38.35 | Shirik | I still don't understand though |
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| 07:38.39 | Shirik | how can you write an entire song about shoes |
| 07:38.53 | Shirik | and how you need 2 |
| 07:38.54 | Thunder_Child | for enough money |
| 07:39.01 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 07:39.03 | Fin | it takes great depth to see the inner beauty that shoes bring to the world |
| 07:39.16 | Thunder_Child | Fin....nvm... |
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| 07:39.36 | Antiarc | Ooh, new screenshot from WotLK |
| 07:39.39 | Antiarc | Druids are getting mail |
| 07:39.43 | Fin | think about it - we walk on them - in them - and with them |
| 07:39.52 | Antiarc | http://jeffdeboer.com/Galleries/CatsandMice/tabid/77/moduleid/433/viewkey/photo/photoid/120/Default.aspx |
| 07:39.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:40.02 | Shirik | Do they really need that? |
| 07:40.10 | Shirik | er... |
| 07:40.57 | Thunder_Child | that internet knife stabing invention would be making loads of money right about now |
| 07:41.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:41.24 | Antiarc | Heeheehee |
| 07:41.39 | Antiarc | For serious though, I want a suit of that to put my cat in |
| 07:41.56 | Shirik | I would call PETA |
| 07:41.57 | Antiarc | It'd be awesome when company came over |
| 07:42.11 | Antiarc | My wife keeps me in check when it comes to our catst |
| 07:42.17 | Antiarc | I have this idea for an invention |
| 07:42.23 | Antiarc | Electromagnetic ankle bracelets |
| 07:42.34 | Antiarc | Flip a switch and they magnetize |
| 07:42.40 | Antiarc | Instant shackles! |
| 07:42.45 | Antiarc | (Also useful for small children) |
| 07:43.09 | Antiarc | Remote + cat walking past fridge = instant entertainment |
| 07:43.42 | Shirik | you are an evil man |
| 07:44.16 | Antiarc | No, I have evil cats that inspire evil idea in me |
| 07:44.17 | Wobin_ | *flip* *ZZZzzz!* *CLACKCLACK* *thump* *mrrraaw!* |
| 07:44.24 | Antiarc | I'm pretty sure I have the most evil cat in the world |
| 07:44.36 | Antiarc | If he has opposable thumbs he'd be Supreme Ruler of Earth by now |
| 07:44.39 | Antiarc | had* |
| 07:44.39 | Fin | all cats are evil to one extent or another |
| 07:45.20 | Shirik | Antiarc: I don't think he's evil, just evil to you |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | and with good reason |
| 07:45.50 | Antiarc | Shirik: No, I'm pretty sure he's inherently evil |
| 07:46.13 | Thunder_Child | reminds me of the cat from diskworld |
| 07:46.21 | Thunder_Child | grandma oggs pet |
| 07:46.23 | Fin | you're being fooled, Shirik! cats are never what they seem! |
| 07:46.34 | Fin | except when they seem evil |
| 07:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah well, I can look up documentation for SetOverrideBinding() and friends tomorrow |
| 07:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep! |
| 07:50.28 | Wobin_ | http://jeffdeboer.com/Galleries/SpaceStuff/tabid/69/moduleid/413/viewkey/photo/photoid/65/Default.aspx |
| 07:50.30 | Wobin_ | ...ow |
| 07:50.41 | Wobin_ | that rocket pack is going to be rather painful on take off =P |
| 07:52.27 | Antiarc | That's what hotpants are for |
| 07:54.34 | Wobin_ | well no |
| 07:54.50 | Wobin_ | where do you think it's going to -pull- you up on takeoff? |
| 07:54.53 | Wobin_ | not from the shoulders =) |
| 07:55.33 | Antiarc | The gut, probably |
| 07:55.47 | Antiarc | And the nuts, but that's okay, because they'll be burnt off. |
| 07:56.15 | Wobin_ | well I guess it's an emergency pack |
| 07:56.30 | Fin | Iriel|AFK: with DevTools installed, does the Event Trace automatically enable itself in the background? |
| 07:56.38 | Iriel|AFK | Yes |
| 07:59.39 | Fin | is there any way to have it enabled but not actually tracing by default (other than editing the code)? |
| 08:00.07 | Iriel|AFK | Yes (no) |
| 08:00.39 | Iriel|AFK | At least, I dont think I got that written |
| 08:05.17 | Fin | Iriel|AFK: don't know if you'd remember offhand, but, would changing this to true do what I was asking: |
| 08:05.20 | Fin | local EVTStopped = nil |
| 08:06.20 | Iriel|AFK | I'd have to look |
| 08:08.08 | Iriel|AFK | Which I will do, shortly |
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| 08:17.46 | Fin | thanks! |
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| 08:52.00 | Iriel|AFK | Fin: Yes, you'd change it to EVTStopped = true; |
| 08:55.32 | Thunder_Child | i want to level tonight but i dont think i can stay awake that long to get 53K with no sleep |
| 08:55.54 | Fin | Iriel|AFK: great, thanks |
| 09:01.16 | Thunder_Child | hmm..felwood needs a FP, it's long enough as it is |
| 09:01.30 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 09:01.32 | Thunder_Child | i lied |
| 09:02.11 | Iriel|AFK | it has a FP |
| 09:02.23 | Thunder_Child | ya, so i saw as i got there |
| 09:02.32 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember it having one though |
| 09:02.37 | Iriel|AFK | It didn't used to |
| 09:02.58 | Thunder_Child | well there is one there now, all good |
| 09:03.08 | Thunder_Child | it really did need it |
| 09:05.05 | Kaso | You don't even need to jump along the silly narrow stream to find the flightpoint nowadays (horde) |
| 09:06.02 | Thunder_Child | heh, i have a 92.72% chance to crit atm |
| 09:16.08 | NightHawkTheSane | felwood has two fps... |
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| 09:22.26 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
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| 09:51.29 | cncfanatics | someone, with vim, how do you autoindent the selected lines ? I forgot :( |
| 09:55.20 | haste | cncfanatics: = |
| 10:03.33 | Thunder_Child | "it's not getin' to the land of the dea thats a problem, it's getin' back" |
| 10:03.42 | Thunder_Child | s/dea/dead/ |
| 10:10.39 | Fin | Cairenn|afk: might be worth mentioning the Addon Developer Studio in your Mod Author Resources post |
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| 11:06.43 | Fin | cncfanatics: I actually replied to you :) |
| 11:06.57 | Fin | [10:51:43] <Fin> > |
| 11:07.11 | cncfanatics | Fin: > indents it one more level, it was = I needed :) |
| 11:07.11 | Fin | cncfanatics: shift + . |
| 11:07.39 | Fin | you asked how to autoindent it? |
| 11:08.18 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/newui.jpg |
| 11:08.51 | Fin | incidentally, you can normally find out answers to stuff like that by just doing :help <whatever> |
| 11:08.55 | Fin | vim's help is pretty good |
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| 11:14.52 | Fin | art3mis: nice |
| 11:18.39 | cncfanatics | art3mis, what bar addon is that ? |
| 11:19.39 | Fisker- | oh hai |
| 11:19.52 | Fisker- | haste your computer working yet? :I |
| 11:23.01 | Fisker- | mwuhahahha |
| 11:23.06 | Fisker- | fin is powerless to stop me |
| 11:26.21 | Fisker- | reported for sploits art3mis |
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| 11:32.37 | art3mis | cnc trinity |
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| 11:33.05 | art3mis | its not sploits im just good at wall jumping ;P |
| 11:34.02 | Fisker- | walljumping is considered sploitz fool |
| 11:34.57 | art3mis | nu uh! |
| 11:35.05 | art3mis | it's called exploring ;P |
| 11:35.16 | nevcairiel | which is exploiting :P |
| 11:35.27 | art3mis | its only bad if you use cheater programs to do it ;P |
| 11:35.48 | art3mis | although im still confused as to why the blizz buff frame is up |
| 11:35.55 | nevcairiel | they banned people for wall-jumping to the area above ironforge |
| 11:35.57 | nevcairiel | why not you? |
| 11:35.57 | art3mis | i could have sworn that aguf nixed it |
| 11:36.10 | art3mis | cuz im special duh |
| 11:36.29 | foxlit | You can slow-fall to that area anyway? |
| 11:36.35 | art3mis | yup |
| 11:36.55 | art3mis | if you jump right you could technically hit the water all the time though |
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| 12:05.26 | Fisker- | IRRELEVANT |
| 12:05.44 | Fisker- | going to areas that are not meant to be accessible = sploitz |
| 12:07.14 | cncfanatics | hmmm, can someone help me ? I'm slightly fed up with my internet provider and would like to encrypt my whole internet, anyone can help ? :p |
| 12:07.18 | cncfanatics | would prolly involve a proxy |
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| 12:13.03 | wereHamster | ssh tunnels ftw :) |
| 12:15.00 | batrick | !g tor |
| 12:15.01 | batbot | batrick: Tor: anonymity online <http://www.torproject.org/> |
| 12:18.40 | Fisker- | ~tor |
| 12:18.41 | purl | it has been said that tor is a network of virtual tunnels that allows people and groups to improve their privacy and security on the Internet. See tor.eff.org |
| 12:18.48 | Fisker- | I > U |
| 12:18.53 | Fisker- | or something like that |
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| 12:54.58 | cncfanatics | tor ftw |
| 12:55.16 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I wonder if I can directly proxy all my traffic to tor somehow without having to set it up per app, anyone ? |
| 12:59.00 | batrick | what are you using |
| 12:59.21 | batrick | (os?) |
| 13:00.16 | cncfanatics | debian |
| 13:00.21 | cncfanatics | I'm setting up privoxy atm |
| 13:05.32 | Kaso | are you that paranoid? |
| 13:06.10 | Matrix110 | (13:06:35) (cncfanatics) hmmm, can someone help me ? I'm slightly fed up with my internet provider and would like to encrypt my whole internet, anyone can help ? :p |
| 13:06.13 | Matrix110 | that might be the reason |
| 13:06.16 | Matrix110 | :P |
| 13:06.28 | Codayus | Tunelling traffic across an encrypted ssh tunnel is easy. |
| 13:06.40 | Matrix110 | But Tor is not really encryption anything |
| 13:06.47 | Matrix110 | *ing |
| 13:06.52 | Codayus | Doing it for the OS rather than per app is hard on windows. I think I saw how to do it on linux... |
| 13:08.14 | cncfanatics | well, tor ain't working atm |
| 13:08.15 | cncfanatics | wondering why :o |
| 13:08.25 | cncfanatics | :o, well, it seems to work, but its hell slow |
| 13:08.31 | Codayus | Of course. |
| 13:08.44 | Matrix110 | Tor is always pretty slow |
| 13:08.45 | Codayus | That's sort of inherent in the design, really. |
| 13:09.11 | cncfanatics | hmmm, nvm |
| 13:09.13 | Matrix110 | If people with slow DSL host exit Nodes well go figure:P |
| 13:09.13 | cncfanatics | its fast now :) |
| 13:09.28 | Matrix110 | its luck based if you get a fast or a slow one |
| 13:09.30 | Codayus | It won't last. :-) |
| 13:09.37 | Codayus | But what are you trying to do, precisely? |
| 13:09.46 | cncfanatics | privoxy is the one not working |
| 13:09.51 | cncfanatics | atm, setting up tor & privoxy |
| 13:10.03 | Codayus | Yar. But I mean, why? |
| 13:10.12 | cncfanatics | my idiot providier limits stream speed for most things |
| 13:10.27 | cncfanatics | it detects what the stream does (p2p, for example) and limits its speed if it ain't a plain http connection |
| 13:10.29 | cncfanatics | quite irritating |
| 13:10.43 | cncfanatics | it doesn't do anything to encrypted streams though, as far as I know |
| 13:11.12 | Matrix110 | as a provider i would limit p2p aswell :P |
| 13:12.19 | cncfanatics | well, I don't want those idiots to |
| 13:12.20 | cncfanatics | so they won't |
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| 13:12.30 | Matrix110 | Generates like 80% of the traffic, noobs cant bypass it that easily, and people that can are the winners |
| 13:12.43 | cncfanatics | p2p it 5kb/s fails tbh |
| 13:12.46 | cncfanatics | they really limit it badly |
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| 13:14.13 | Matrix110 | Well its easy: P2P generates ~50-90% of the Providers Traffic, most of it is even International Traffic which is more expensive. If they limit P2P they hurt like 10ppl doing legal acitivities and the other million cant dl movies/games/music :P |
| 13:14.49 | cncfanatics | yep, and some will encrypt their streams and bypass it alos |
| 13:14.51 | cncfanatics | also* |
| 13:15.20 | Matrix110 | The Provider cant do anything against that anyway so they wont care about the 20ppl bypassing it :P |
| 13:15.41 | cncfanatics | true :) |
| 13:15.46 | cncfanatics | now, lets see |
| 13:15.55 | cncfanatics | can I just configure my whole internet through a proxy directly in linux ? |
| 13:15.57 | cncfanatics | instead of per app |
| 13:16.39 | Codayus | cncfanatics: I thought I saw a howto on that, but if so, I can't find it now. However, you really probably wouldn'twant to. |
| 13:16.50 | cncfanatics | why is that ? |
| 13:17.51 | Matrix110 | Free Proxies are normally ass slow and fast ones normally dont allow P2P etc. aswell :P |
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| 13:20.29 | cncfanatics | any way to get tor to only use the faster relays heh ? |
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| 13:31.02 | phetips_ | Sup |
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| 13:33.10 | phetips_ | Bought the book by dan gilbert and jamers whitehead yesterday :) |
| 13:39.13 | phetips_ | hi |
| 13:42.17 | batrick | cncfanatics: i don't use tor, but kd3 does and may be able to give you advice |
| 13:43.18 | phetips_ | i see some of you are acknowledged in that book :) |
| 13:44.50 | cncfanatics | batrick, kd3 being ? |
| 13:44.55 | cncfanatics | I'm a noob when it comes to encryption :p |
| 13:45.08 | batrick | kd3 is a person in the channel |
| 13:45.10 | wereHamster | ~seen kd3 |
| 13:45.13 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowi-lounge (6h 16m 43s) #wowhead (6h 16m 43s) #wowace (6h 16m 43s) #wowwiki (6h 16m 43s), last said: 'bah. 0/2 against AV premades'. |
| 13:45.22 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 13:46.14 | batrick | i think the easiest way would be to do it all through ssh |
| 13:47.04 | cncfanatics | how would I go doing that ? |
| 13:47.19 | cncfanatics | tor is setup atm, was pretty easy, so I doubt ssh could be any easyer :p |
| 13:47.31 | cncfanatics | i'm in the process of setting is up as a transparent proxy now |
| 13:47.37 | batrick | well how are you using tor (i've never used it) |
| 13:47.39 | cncfanatics | and will see the results and decide if I want to keep it I guess |
| 13:47.44 | cncfanatics | its running as a deamon |
| 13:47.48 | batrick | how do you "pick and app" |
| 13:47.56 | batrick | an app* |
| 13:47.56 | cncfanatics | and I got a local proxy that redirects all its trafic through tor |
| 13:48.02 | cncfanatics | I just make the app use the proxy |
| 13:48.03 | batrick | well use that then |
| 13:48.20 | batrick | that's actually what i was going to have you do :P |
| 13:49.10 | cncfanatics | : |
| 13:49.11 | cncfanatics | :p |
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| 14:44.44 | batrick | morning all |
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| 14:52.08 | Shirik | morning batbot |
| 14:52.11 | Shirik | and batrick |
| 14:52.26 | JoshBorke | morning Shirik |
| 14:52.40 | Shirik | morning JoshBorke |
| 14:55.40 | batrick | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Malygos&n=Noixi |
| 14:55.45 | batrick | that guy has the most amazing spec i've seen |
| 14:57.04 | nevcairiel | thats what i would call deep frost |
| 14:57.17 | batrick | s/frost/retarded more like it |
| 14:58.02 | batrick | improved blizzard is only good for 5v5 arenas and wsg |
| 14:58.11 | batrick | and pissing people off in AV, that's always fun |
| 14:58.19 | batrick | rank 1 blizzard scatters people like no other |
| 14:58.49 | zenzelezz | does it make any sense to have that one point in arcane considering his frostiness? |
| 14:58.58 | batrick | no, that's half the fun |
| 15:00.13 | batrick | i think it's safe to say he wants to pvp because he has only 3.5% hit and nothing in elemental precision |
| 15:00.20 | batrick | and yet, he has full frost channeling |
| 15:00.22 | batrick | it's priceless |
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| 15:12.18 | cncfanatics | damn freenode only lets tor people in as hidden service :o |
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| 15:16.11 | cncfanatics | removed tor, its much too slow for my purpose :( |
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| 15:18.59 | Shirik | (10:12:08) (cncfanatics) damn freenode only lets tor people in as hidden service :o |
| 15:19.01 | Shirik | as opposed to? |
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| 15:20.40 | cncfanatics | can't just join directly |
| 15:20.44 | cncfanatics | anoying :) |
| 15:21.00 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 15:22.04 | cncfanatics | Shirik, if I use tor with privoxy I can't connect to freenode the regular way |
| 15:22.18 | Shirik | you can't? |
| 15:22.34 | Shirik | they may have temporarily disabled it, they do that from time to time |
| 15:23.37 | cncfanatics | because of abuse I supose ? |
| 15:23.42 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:25.52 | cncfanatics | just threw tor in the bin anyway |
| 15:25.54 | cncfanatics | its sloooooow |
| 15:26.11 | cncfanatics | any faster way to prevent my stupid provider to limit my speed ? |
| 15:26.29 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 15:26.41 | sag_ich_nicht | get an external server and make a ssh tunnel to it. |
| 15:27.02 | Shirik | that's kinda irrelevant considering they'd limit the ssh tunnel too |
| 15:27.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik not neccesairly |
| 15:27.47 | Shirik | well they should :P |
| 15:28.05 | cncfanatics | they don't limit encrypted connections as far as I know |
| 15:28.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i assume cncfanatics' provider is one of those providers that try to block bittorrent and similiar traffic |
| 15:28.13 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 15:28.25 | sag_ich_nicht | and since ssh looks like SSL you can just tunnel it over port 443 |
| 15:28.29 | sag_ich_nicht | and /lol at your provider |
| 15:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | just have the client run on the external server |
| 15:28.44 | sag_ich_nicht | if you have the balls for it, that is. |
| 15:29.03 | sag_ich_nicht | (or, the required amount of stupidity) |
| 15:36.30 | Shirik | wow |
| 15:36.32 | Shirik | virus scanner did not like that |
| 15:36.59 | Shirik | Still messing with the UI Central stuff from yesterday. Mcafee got pissed: |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | Total files: ........... 2 |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | Clean: ................. 2 rights reserved. |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | Possibly Infected: ..... 0007 |
| 15:37.50 | batrick | cncfanatics: whos' your provider? |
| 15:43.01 | cncfanatics | belgacom in belgium |
| 15:46.27 | batrick | ah i was expecting comcast |
| 15:47.26 | Shirik | Btw I just want to say, I got stuck with Bloodshed Dev C++ yesterday instead of visual studio |
| 15:47.30 | Shirik | I wanted to shoot myself |
| 15:47.46 | Shirik | It took me like an hour to debug something that I should have been able to find in about 5 minutes |
| 15:48.11 | zenzelezz | <Shirik> I wanted to shoot myself <--- but the Bloodshed IDE lacked the features to do this |
| 15:48.16 | Shirik | yes. |
| 15:49.28 | batrick | do you have any idea how "reentrant" Lua's code is? |
| 15:50.01 | batrick | i'm wondering if a mutex would need to be present on an entire table, or only for certain keys |
| 15:50.30 | batrick | wow |
| 15:50.32 | batrick | wrong window |
| 15:50.34 | batrick | lol! |
| 15:55.25 | foxlit | qq, server queue! |
| 15:55.34 | foxlit | Unusual. |
| 15:56.49 | Shirik | no server queue for me :P |
| 15:56.51 | Shirik | win |
| 15:59.08 | Wobin_ | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1137/ |
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| 16:15.03 | Kaso | haha thats awesome |
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| 16:36.31 | kd3 | yah. I only use tor just to get around the filter just to chat. you're not going to get any kind of bandwidth from it. at least the lag's fairly reasonable |
| 16:37.37 | batrick | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1140/ |
| 16:37.38 | batrick | hahaha |
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| 16:45.22 | batrick | http://xkcd.com/356/ |
| 16:45.25 | batrick | i love that comic |
| 16:45.28 | batrick | because it's so true |
| 16:45.44 | foxlit | <Binding name="CLICK CryForm" header="CryForm"> |
| 16:45.51 | foxlit | That appears to do nothing special :( |
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| 16:48.22 | zenzelezz | Farmer Griffifth isn't very imaginative... two sheep called Ewe |
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| 17:26.11 | Shirik | batrick / Wobin_ that comic is awesome |
| 17:26.16 | Shirik | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1099/ = win btw |
| 17:36.05 | Kalroth | :D |
| 17:36.58 | Kalroth | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1141/ it's the intarweb! |
| 17:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh dear, this channel has discovered explosm |
| 17:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | This could be bad |
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| 17:49.08 | Shirik | How do I check CT_RA's version (just mine, not raid's) |
| 17:50.02 | zenzelezz | the title on the CTRA tab in the social window should say the version I think |
| 17:52.07 | Shirik | hm, I don't see it =( |
| 17:52.14 | Shirik | I just used /raver now that I have assist anyway so oh well |
| 17:53.09 | JoshBork1 | Shirik: grats |
| 17:53.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:54.06 | JoshBork1 | on joining the devil, er i mean wowi |
| 17:54.12 | Shirik | Oh thanks :) |
| 17:54.24 | JoshBork1 | don't tell Cairenn|afk i said that |
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| 17:55.19 | Shirik | You're already screwed, Cairenn|afk is always here |
| 17:55.42 | JoshBork1 | hopefully she'll still love me :_D |
| 17:56.19 | zenzelezz | you assume she did in the first place |
| 17:56.30 | JoshBork1 | true, i am assuming that |
| 17:56.58 | malreth | Cairenn loves us all |
| 17:58.25 | foxlit | Anyone heard anything about making Bindings.xml bindings redirect securely to secure button clicks? |
| 17:59.12 | foxlit | Iriel suggested something earlier, but either I missed a detail or it doesn't seem to work :( |
| 18:02.03 | nevcairiel | create a dummy binding, and use override bindings to steal those |
| 18:02.07 | nevcairiel | thats what i do in bartender |
| 18:04.30 | foxlit | Yeah, that's what I'd usually do. |
| 18:04.41 | foxlit | however (spam inc) |
| 18:04.54 | malreth | noooooo! |
| 18:05.03 | foxlit | foxlit: Iriel: "and set up a binding for "CLICK WhateverYouCallIt"" -- there's a way to do that securely that does not involve hooking UPDATE_BINDINGS and changing the binding? |
| 18:05.03 | foxlit | [01:12] Iriel: foxlit: yeah, one sec |
| 18:05.03 | foxlit | [01:12] Iriel: <Binding name="CLICK PopupActionsButton:pg1" header="POPUPACTIONS"> |
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| 18:48.09 | Rayne | om nom nom |
| 18:48.58 | foxlit | BonusActionBarFrame.lua:127 : this:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS");-- Wha?? |
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| 19:09.49 | Rayne | http://www.freewebs.com/absorayne/WoWScrnShot%5F011308%5F120433.png Top Center with Lat., memeory and FPS. Yes / No, |
| 19:10.06 | foxlit | NEVER |
| 19:10.30 | zenzelezz | personally I'd say No |
| 19:10.37 | foxlit | freewebs + png = gg loading time :) |
| 19:10.49 | zenzelezz | I don't check those values often enough to want them on-screen all the time |
| 19:11.06 | Rayne | Its better than photobucket crushing the size to death, foxlit |
| 19:11.20 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.co,m |
| 19:11.22 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com * |
| 19:11.37 | foxlit | Anyway, I'm with zenzelezz |
| 19:12.26 | foxlit | The only mildly interesting stat is latency |
| 19:12.35 | foxlit | And it doesn't vary nearly enough to justify the screenspace |
| 19:13.15 | Rayne | I need to do something with the minimap, and omen. |
| 19:13.29 | foxlit | (the entire screen is an fps indicator already, addon memory usage is of no concern) |
| 19:15.33 | Rayne | http://www.freewebs.com/absorayne/WoWScrnShot%5F010908%5F223157.png Omen wedged between Grid and the Action Bars has always bothered me a bit. |
| 19:17.16 | Rayne | @_@ |
| 19:18.01 | Rayne | I suppose I could always move up the action bars a few paces and stick omen directly under, or even grid for that matter |
| 19:18.33 | foxlit | Do you really need that many buttons? |
| 19:19.04 | foxlit | (just curious, didn't play a raiding warrior) |
| 19:19.09 | Rayne | yeah |
| 19:19.21 | zenzelezz | I use at least one and a half action bar while raiding |
| 19:19.35 | Rayne | Everything I need is binded. Stances, Trinkets, Pots, ect. |
| 19:20.28 | Rayne | theres also 5 hidden buttons on there |
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| 19:26.31 | cncfanatic1 | didn't know the mount was still droppable tbh |
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| 19:27.43 | zenzelezz | yarr, sticky shift again |
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| 19:43.51 | End | why are we laughing at JoshBorke? |
| 19:44.37 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 19:45.29 | End | good point |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:52:54 PM) JoshBork1: Shirik: grats |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:53:41 PM) Shirik: ? |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:53:50 PM) JoshBork1: on joining the devil, er i mean wowi |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:53:56 PM) Shirik: Oh thanks :) |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:54:09 PM) JoshBork1: don't tell Cairenn|afk i said that |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn|afk | (12:55:03 PM) Shirik: You're already screwed, Cairenn|afk is always here |
| 19:46.50 | Cairenn|afk | (12:55:26 PM) JoshBork1: hopefully she'll still love me :_D |
| 19:46.52 | Cairenn|afk | (12:56:03 PM) zenzelezz: you assume she did in the first place |
| 19:46.54 | Cairenn|afk | (12:56:15 PM) JoshBork1: true, i am assuming that |
| 19:46.56 | Cairenn|afk | (12:56:42 PM) malreth: Cairenn loves us all |
| 19:47.00 | Cairenn|afk | that's why I'm laughing at him |
| 19:47.10 | zenzelezz | so which one of us was right? |
| 19:47.17 | Cairenn|afk | both |
| 19:47.31 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 19:47.43 | Cairenn|afk | oh, you mean in the quoted text? |
| 19:47.47 | Cairenn|afk | lol, I'll never tell ;) |
| 19:48.26 | cogwheel | Cairenn|afk: "the community" ;) |
| 19:48.32 | cogwheel | *cough* incgamers |
| 19:48.48 | Cairenn|afk | ? |
| 19:55.18 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881824270&sid=1 |
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| 20:18.01 | cncfanatics | WTB higher upload speed for wowi |
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| 20:33.28 | foxlit | This is... oddly curious |
| 20:33.38 | foxlit | http://www.world-of-warcraft-hacks.com/ -- addon downloads exclusively as .exe files |
| 20:34.13 | foxlit | (although with a name like that, don't say they didn't warn you :P) |
| 20:34.14 | zenzelezz | for your convenience |
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| 20:36.21 | Shirik | "Maybe Vb6-Runtimes a required then download and install it." |
| 20:36.22 | Shirik | lol |
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| 20:43.42 | kd3 | gah. guitar hero wrist != pleasant |
| 20:44.02 | |pez| | kinda like having a Nintendo Thumb. :P |
| 20:44.14 | |pez| | back in the good old days |
| 20:44.26 | Iriel | I tend to find the GH problem is the tips of my fingers |
| 20:44.28 | |pez| | my thumbs would be red and sore for days when I played games I really enjoyed. :P |
| 20:46.15 | Cide | Iriel: agreed |
| 20:46.35 | Cide | but I tend to push the frets a bit too hard, I think |
| 20:46.42 | Iriel | likewise |
| 20:47.32 | kd3 | kuso... more people have unpacked their computers at my apartment complex |
| 20:47.34 | kd3 | </3 1400 ping |
| 20:48.13 | Thunder_Child | "(12:44:33) (|pez|) my thumbs would be red and sore for days when I played games I really enjoyed. :P" wow, i dont even want to know |
| 20:48.36 | |pez| | what? |
| 20:49.05 | |pez| | The old nintendo controllers ( NES / SNES / N64 ) weren't that easy on the fingers you know! :P |
| 20:49.38 | Shirik | I liked the n64 controllers |
| 20:51.23 | foxlit | Iriel: I've looked a bit closer at your example code - it works for me, but I've got a questions to a few lines in the example: http://wowi.pastey.net/80654-1arw:80653-2m9y |
| 20:52.45 | Iriel | 33-35: that may be old leftover code from an earlier test, you can try removing it |
| 20:53.15 | |pez| | Shirik: yeah, those made things better, but thumbs were still sore after hours of playtime. |
| 20:53.18 | Iriel | 37-38: -3.5 just put button 1 where I wanted it. |
| 20:53.48 | Shirik | especially fishing mario party hehe |
| 20:53.56 | Shirik | turning the stick over and over again |
| 20:53.57 | Iriel | 53-34,70-71: Looks that way |
| 20:54.21 | foxlit | (also, the http://wowi.pastey.net/80655 bindings.xml code appears to do nothing, I may have misunderstood something yesterday) |
| 20:54.53 | |pez| | Shirik: I think I want my first ever Mario Party game... to be the one for Wii. :P |
| 20:55.09 | |pez| | I need more controllers, and friends though. :P |
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| 20:59.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear the latest mario party game is pretty meh |
| 21:00.02 | |pez| | I never played much of the older ones. |
| 21:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | super smash bros brawl is probably a better party game |
| 21:02.31 | foxlit | I did misunderstand something, the :LeftButton component isn't optional |
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| 21:08.37 | Shirik | super smash bros (for n64) is one of the greatest games of all time |
| 21:09.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kinda gotburned out on it back in the day |
| 21:09.46 | Shirik | I was king |
| 21:09.48 | Shirik | and I still play it |
| 21:09.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | played it for about 12 hours straight at times |
| 21:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i look forward to choking mario to death |
| 21:10.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | as snake |
| 21:11.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg |
| 21:12.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i could whip your ass |
| 21:12.20 | zenzelezz | kinky |
| 21:12.57 | |pez| | mhmmm |
| 21:13.06 | |pez| | can you do it halfway nude, both of you, and let me watch? |
| 21:13.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | only if you pay me |
| 21:13.33 | Thunder_Child | only if you want to burn your eyes |
| 21:13.53 | zenzelezz | so we have a gnome in my guild called Gnoompje, and no-one knows exactly how to pronounce it... so he's just called "Gnomepie" |
| 21:14.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | noomp-jee |
| 21:14.32 | |pez| | I like gnomepie better. |
| 21:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | kill him, eat his flesh. problem solved. |
| 21:15.42 | zenzelezz | I learned one Dutch word in my first raid guild (apparently half the people there were Dutch or something), if I recall the spelling it was "eitje" |
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| 21:18.43 | |pez| | Buuuh, the boyfriend stole the brownies I made yesterday ;___; |
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| 21:24.32 | Thunder_Child | i has fresh baked white chocolate chip cookies |
| 21:27.05 | Shirik | wtb |
| 21:27.14 | Shirik | send to me kthx? |
| 21:27.36 | Thunder_Child | come here and get them |
| 21:27.44 | Thunder_Child | then we can ssbm baatle |
| 21:27.47 | Thunder_Child | battle* |
| 21:27.52 | Thunder_Child | and tease pez |
| 21:29.48 | Shirik | I don't want to make you cry |
| 21:30.02 | Thunder_Child | you wish |
| 21:30.14 | Thunder_Child | the odds of you wining are...err... 1:1 |
| 21:30.37 | Shirik | who do you play with btw? |
| 21:30.53 | Thunder_Child | link |
| 21:30.59 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 21:31.02 | Thunder_Child | wait |
| 21:31.03 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 21:31.05 | Shirik | I do too |
| 21:31.12 | Thunder_Child | ya, her |
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| 21:31.26 | Shirik | haven't really seen many people that play link |
| 21:31.49 | Fisker- | bawwwww Cairenn |
| 21:32.05 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.06 | Fisker- | you fixed it |
| 21:32.16 | Cairenn | ? |
| 21:32.19 | Thunder_Child | linke is awesome, way fast |
| 21:32.20 | kd3 | link <3 |
| 21:32.26 | Thunder_Child | nice reach |
| 21:32.26 | Fisker- | the typo in the keylogger post |
| 21:32.27 | kd3 | he's my favorite smash brothers avatar |
| 21:32.30 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:32.59 | Shirik | Yeah he is awesome |
| 21:33.03 | Shirik | He doesn't have much ups though |
| 21:33.41 | Thunder_Child | umm..then i am not thinking about link |
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| 21:34.32 | Thunder_Child | the princess |
| 21:34.38 | Thunder_Child | er..crap |
| 21:34.40 | Thunder_Child | cant remeber |
| 21:35.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i play zelda |
| 21:35.22 | Thunder_Child | there we go |
| 21:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdX8YwtLilw |
| 21:37.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | . |
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| 21:43.02 | Nebu1a | hey all, anyone about for a quick rogue question ? |
| 21:45.36 | zenzelezz | try it anyway |
| 21:45.52 | wereHamster | ~asktoask |
| 21:45.52 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 21:47.08 | Nebu1a | The build specs on http://www.wowwiki.com/Rogue_builds#Daggers_Utility_-_15.2F25.2F21_-_PvP.2FPvE |
| 21:47.23 | Nebu1a | are they ok for RvR and generally using on a PvP server, when levelling, |
| 21:47.32 | Nebu1a | i mean the ones at the bottom entitled getting upto level 60 ? |
| 21:47.49 | Antiarc | Daggers are basically worthless right now |
| 21:48.05 | Antiarc | Esp. for levelling |
| 21:48.36 | Antiarc | Combat swords is the fastest and easiest way to level, and combat maces is very competitive in PVE |
| 21:48.37 | Antiarc | Err |
| 21:48.38 | Antiarc | PVP |
| 21:49.58 | Nebu1a | thanks for your input, why do they respec at 40 then 60 ? |
| 21:50.20 | Nebu1a | just because of the abilities that become available ? |
| 21:50.21 | End | for 40, probably to get a 31 point talent point |
| 21:50.40 | Nebu1a | because there quite a big change in builds, swapping coloumns, |
| 21:50.43 | End | (not that I know what, but that's usually why you respec at 40) |
| 21:51.33 | Nebu1a | ok sure, isnt it very expensive to respec ? |
| 21:51.41 | Nebu1a | or by those levels isnt the finance an issue ? |
| 21:52.09 | zenzelezz | doesn't cost much to respec unless you do it all the time |
| 21:52.10 | kd3 | first respec's 1g or 5g. not really |
| 21:52.34 | Nebu1a | righto gotcha, so following that respec tree isnt an issue at all, |
| 21:53.00 | Nebu1a | i was tempted with daggers as it seemed appealing using the poisons on two weapons for uber damage, is that not the case ? |
| 21:54.32 | Nebu1a | everything i now read directs me towards sword attacks, |
| 21:56.12 | Nebu1a | .. |
| 21:57.50 | Thunder_Child | meh rogue ftl...and warriors to |
| 21:58.19 | Nebu1a | bah no answers lol, |
| 21:58.37 | Shirik | all raid teams should consist entirely of druids |
| 21:58.57 | Thunder_Child | Nebu1a, why dont you lvl in whichever one seems to be the best for it, then try them out when you hit 70 |
| 22:01.08 | Nebu1a | just wanted a heads up,. |
| 22:01.14 | Nebu1a | i think ill follow the wiki guide towards it,m |
| 22:02.03 | Thunder_Child | cant hurt to test it for yourself, dont forget, just because one may be "better" than another doesnt make it more fun to play |
| 22:02.20 | Nebu1a | true, |
| 22:02.30 | Nebu1a | the specs on wowiki do span across nearly all three coloumns though |
| 22:02.47 | Nebu1a | so i guess i will get a taste, also i dont want to spending loads on re-specs, |
| 22:03.31 | Thunder_Child | you get to a point where money is meaningless |
| 22:03.37 | Nebu1a | ah right, |
| 22:03.45 | Nebu1a | never been beyond lvl40 |
| 22:03.59 | Thunder_Child | well even so it takes a good while at 70 |
| 22:04.27 | Nebu1a | yeah, dedication to get to 70 though, not sure i have the spare time tbh, |
| 22:04.42 | Nebu1a | looking fwd to starting playing again though : ) |
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| 22:11.30 | batrick | Shirik: ya that's a good comic |
| 22:13.30 | Cide | daggers is a lot more fun to play than swords |
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| 22:14.54 | Thunder_Child | *cough* opnion *cough* |
| 22:15.18 | Cide | right |
| 22:15.31 | Cide | but big numbers are more fun imo |
| 22:15.33 | zenzelezz | opinion was all he asked for |
| 22:15.44 | Thunder_Child | but it does prove my point that "the best" isnt always the most fun |
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| 22:23.25 | Thunder_Child | big numbers Cide? 45-55-30? |
| 22:23.37 | Cide | what? |
| 22:23.49 | Thunder_Child | "(14:15:37) (+Cide) but big numbers are more fun imo" |
| 22:23.58 | Cide | yes, but what's 45-55-30? |
| 22:24.18 | Thunder_Child | what really? |
| 22:24.27 | haste | -40 |
| 22:24.28 | Cide | I have no idea what the hell you're talking about :P |
| 22:24.30 | malreth | wow... those are some big ass numbers |
| 22:24.40 | Thunder_Child | thats what Cide said he likes |
| 22:24.50 | Cide | what're you talking about |
| 22:25.08 | Cide | daggers for leveling gives you pretty big numbers |
| 22:25.17 | Cide | ambush crits, high damage backstabs, etc |
| 22:25.22 | Thunder_Child | you know, it's so much more fun when Cide has no idea of what i am talking about |
| 22:25.24 | Cide | can't get those with sinister strike |
| 22:25.39 | Thunder_Child | Cide, thoes are womens figure sizes |
| 22:26.06 | Thunder_Child | breast-waist-hips |
| 22:26.15 | Cide | ah, not sure if we use the same system |
| 22:26.19 | Cide | doubt I'd recognize it still |
| 22:26.39 | Thunder_Child | well thats no fun |
| 22:27.16 | malreth | those don't seem like healthy measurements |
| 22:27.28 | malreth | in either inches or centimeters... |
| 22:27.41 | Thunder_Child | you know, searing gorge kinda sucks for a fire mage |
| 22:28.04 | zenzelezz | fire mages also love Al'ar |
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| 22:31.27 | Thunder_Child | "Sucking too hard on your lollipop, Or love's gonna get you down" |
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| 23:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Random Thought of the Day: Claudia Black would make an awesome Trillian. |
| 23:03.17 | malreth | fanboi |
| 23:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, I didn't think of it. but when it come to claudia black or h2g2, then yes. :D |
| 23:04.51 | cogwheel | I think she's too... not delicate :P |
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| 23:09.48 | Thunder_Child | she would make a good IM program? |
| 23:10.48 | malreth | you better quote some star wars right quick or you lose your nerd membership card |
| 23:15.04 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously. |
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| 23:17.25 | art3mis | claudia black is too old and not very delicate to be trillian |
| 23:17.36 | art3mis | besides zoey is perfect as is ;P |
| 23:17.50 | Legorol | morning |
| 23:18.00 | malreth | ~ugt |
| 23:18.01 | purl | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 23:18.03 | Legorol | typical, i log into irc and the conversation is already on women |
| 23:18.15 | malreth | peppy isn't here |
| 23:18.21 | art3mis | now im not disputing that claudia black is hot though ;P thats the main reason i saw pitch black as many times as i did ;P |
| 23:18.51 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...i dont have a nerd membership card as it is |
| 23:19.15 | art3mis | trillian is the girl from thhgttg |
| 23:19.22 | art3mis | ijit |
| 23:19.42 | Thunder_Child | oh ya, completly helpful |
| 23:19.59 | art3mis | you've read the books and seen the movie havent you? |
| 23:20.27 | Thunder_Child | what books, and what movie? |
| 23:20.36 | art3mis | hitchikers guide to the galaxy |
| 23:20.39 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 23:20.49 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 23:20.53 | NightHawkTheSane | zoey doesn't have an english accent |
| 23:21.07 | art3mis | yeah but shes cute and some how her voice is attractive ;P |
| 23:21.15 | art3mis | to be fair neither is claudia ;P |
| 23:21.23 | art3mis | is/does |
| 23:21.26 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but aussie is close enough ;) |
| 23:22.03 | Thunder_Child | wasnt trillian a minor char? |
| 23:22.19 | art3mis | depends on your definition |
| 23:22.44 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on your scope |
| 23:22.46 | Thunder_Child | ~dict minor |
| 23:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | and what work you're referring too |
| 23:23.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, if we're talking about the books, depending on the book, she's minor to non-existent |
| 23:23.04 | NightHawkTheSane | in the movie, she was pretty major |
| 23:23.19 | Cide | gotta feature the hot ladies |
| 23:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't quite recall the radio broadcasts |
| 23:23.24 | Thunder_Child | well i liked the books but didnt really like the movie |
| 23:23.28 | art3mis | she's mostly minor in the grand scheme of the whole series, but major as far as the other characters interactions go |
| 23:23.37 | art3mis | the movie was alright |
| 23:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: well, in the grand scheme of the whole series, i think only arthur qualifies as major ;) |
| 23:23.44 | art3mis | it did have some great parts in it |
| 23:23.45 | Thunder_Child | they took out to many of the really funny parts |
| 23:24.03 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the movie was a movie, and it was good as a movie, at least that's my take |
| 23:24.18 | art3mis | well to be a full movie that got everything it would need to be about 8 or 9 hours long ;P |
| 23:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | at least. |
| 23:24.26 | art3mis | and rush around at braek neck speed |
| 23:24.26 | Thunder_Child | for example i always loved the conversation on the way to the airlock, but they didnt have it in the movie |
| 23:24.52 | art3mis | wait wait wait i have an idea *smack* |
| 23:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and, to be fair, no incarnation of h2g2 has ever really mirrored any other, its one of it's charms :P |
| 23:26.03 | End | how very true :P |
| 23:26.11 | art3mis | the onne thing i remember most from the new movie is the dolphin song |
| 23:26.26 | End | I remember the "rake" bit |
| 23:26.33 | art3mis | had that stupid song stuck in my head for weeks |
| 23:27.14 | Legorol | i hate users :( "can't you add feature X?" he clearly hasn't read the description, it's already in the damned addon! and there is an option to turn it on |
| 23:27.21 | art3mis | legol just answer no |
| 23:27.34 | art3mis | someone else will point out that it's not difficult and already exists |
| 23:27.40 | art3mis | it's the law of the internet |
| 23:27.53 | Legorol | but the ones i hate even more is the "this addon is worthless, it's built into the default UI now. unistall it" |
| 23:28.25 | End | especially if the addon does it in a different way |
| 23:28.37 | Legorol | if it was really built in, i wouldn't have it up for download, would I? |
| 23:28.44 | art3mis | yes you would |
| 23:28.46 | Legorol | it extends the built-in method |
| 23:28.52 | art3mis | thats also the alw of the internet ;P |
| 23:28.52 | Thunder_Child | ignore em then |
| 23:28.57 | art3mis | law |
| 23:29.03 | Legorol | art3mis: true |
| 23:29.16 | art3mis | what addon? |
| 23:29.17 | Legorol | ok this one: |
| 23:29.18 | Legorol | "I just dowloaded and installed this addon. everything indicates I the install was good except when I log in to WOW it doesn't work. I was wondering if there might be a problem with Windows Vista or is there something else I can try. |
| 23:29.31 | Legorol | can i just say: headdesk |
| 23:29.36 | End | it doesn't work! |
| 23:29.39 | End | it doesn't work! |
| 23:29.50 | Legorol | art3mis: EquipCompare |
| 23:29.56 | art3mis | "have youthought of selling your computer and taking up basketball? since video games seem to be far to confusing for you" |
| 23:30.09 | Thunder_Child | Reply: "You can try not being retarded" |
| 23:30.18 | art3mis | EQCompare is yers? |
| 23:30.31 | art3mis | can you make it not suck? |
| 23:30.33 | art3mis | ;) |
| 23:31.00 | Thunder_Child | ya art3mis, thats the way to have him help you |
| 23:31.22 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:31.37 | art3mis | there's actually nothing wrong with it |
| 23:32.04 | art3mis | i love my new layout |
| 23:32.19 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/newui.jpg |
| 23:32.52 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 23:32.55 | Thunder_Child | that UI is fail |
| 23:33.01 | Legorol | art3mis: EQCompare is not mine |
| 23:33.03 | Legorol | EquipCompare is |
| 23:33.26 | End | art3mis: you can still get up there? |
| 23:33.28 | End | wow |
| 23:33.30 | art3mis | yeah |
| 23:33.33 | Fin | hello! |
| 23:33.45 | art3mis | i cant do anything there butits a nice spot to hang out without channel chatter |
| 23:33.54 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: not too bad looking |
| 23:34.12 | art3mis | im still undecided on the button skin though |
| 23:34.17 | art3mis | Trinity buttons rules |
| 23:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i vastly dislike the arcing buttons on the left, but thats just me |
| 23:34.31 | Fin | good thanks, yourself? |
| 23:34.34 | art3mis | its basically flexbar2 without librock ;P |
| 23:34.52 | Legorol | i think one day i will take a deep breath and actually make my UI look drastically different than Blizzard's |
| 23:34.57 | art3mis | NightHawkTheSane: heh thats playing, still decidign on that part |
| 23:35.01 | Legorol | i really love all the creative modifications people come up with |
| 23:35.14 | Legorol | especially when it comes to looks/layout |
| 23:35.14 | Fin | no, really?! |
| 23:35.18 | Olison | haste: didnt you create that standalone addon that colors the itemborder with rarity-color? |
| 23:35.27 | Fin | *pregnant*?!? |
| 23:35.29 | Iriel | If anyone's bored, does this layout look ok (yes, it's boring and plain) http://www.partialobscurity.com/newtest/ |
| 23:35.32 | Legorol | i have a bunch of addons but they are all extra info type addons like tooltip colouring, auctioneer etc. |
| 23:35.34 | Legorol | just extra clutter |
| 23:35.35 | art3mis | i like the drag of the eye to the lower corner instead of all the centered uis that exist |
| 23:35.44 | Fin | Olison: Chippu |
| 23:36.16 | malreth | Iriel: you should take more photos of other things |
| 23:36.18 | malreth | :p |
| 23:36.19 | art3mis | raid and omen and violation show up in combat to the right of piggy |
| 23:36.20 | End | Iriellooks fine to me |
| 23:36.21 | End | bah |
| 23:36.24 | End | Iriel: looks fine to me |
| 23:36.33 | Olison | Fin: do you also have the name of the addon? |
| 23:36.34 | Fin | Peaceful stream - New York, New York - A windmil on Bidston hill in England, long caption eh? - Something else |
| 23:36.35 | Legorol | oh look, an Iriel! |
| 23:36.43 | malreth | ooh AAAHOWH! someone call my lawyer!!! |
| 23:36.52 | Fin | you spelled windmill wrong |
| 23:36.53 | Legorol | long time no chat, how's it going Iriel |
| 23:36.56 | Fin | Olison: also? |
| 23:37.02 | art3mis | im really into the page flip books lately |
| 23:37.03 | End | *cough* doesn't validate though ;-P |
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| 23:37.12 | Iriel | Legorol: Fine thanks.. how are you? Back after a longer than normal hiatus? |
| 23:37.13 | Olison | right, thanks |
| 23:37.27 | Legorol | Iriel: not really. Just trying to idle here a bit more :( |
| 23:37.27 | Iriel | End: Where is it unhappy? |
| 23:37.29 | kd3 | wahoo. finally. only took a year and a half |
| 23:37.29 | malreth | gallery layout looks good to me, Iriel |
| 23:37.39 | Legorol | don't have much time for wow UI lately which is sad |
| 23:37.41 | art3mis | hrm wodner if its actually gonna snow tonight |
| 23:37.44 | End | Iriel: umm, the 23 validator spit out a lot of errors |
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| 23:37.46 | End | er |
| 23:37.47 | End | w3 |
| 23:37.49 | Fin | Iriel: oh! you're talking about the layout of the page! I thought there was supposed to be a UI there |
| 23:37.53 | art3mis | supposed to get 8-12inches |
| 23:38.08 | Iriel | End that doesn't surprise me, I haven't run it through yet |
| 23:38.45 | End | if it's anything like my validation errors, you just have a missing end tag or something :P |
| 23:40.04 | zenzelezz | I don't get why characters seemingly randomly decide to stand up. Some invisible event I assume |
| 23:40.51 | End | zenzelezz: yeah, they have 1 or 2 of those invisible events listed in their bug list of things making people stand up |
| 23:40.54 | Legorol | there are some smarter people around this time, maybe you guys know the answer to this castsequence related question: |
| 23:40.56 | Iriel | End nah, missing alt tags and use of <u>, it's clean now |
| 23:41.20 | End | Iriel: cool |
| 23:41.24 | Legorol | It is my understanding that castsequence only moves on to the next entry in the list if the current entry is successfully cast, for some definition of successfully. |
| 23:41.28 | Iriel | Now my CSS isn't so lucky.. |
| 23:41.41 | Legorol | My question is, what counts as a "successful cast" for toggle-able abilities used with a ! |
| 23:41.50 | Legorol | for example: !Auto Shot, !Attack |
| 23:42.09 | Legorol | in other words, when those are present in a castsequence, at which point will the sequence move on? |
| 23:42.40 | Legorol | is it considered a success immediately when i press the macro? |
| 23:43.04 | Legorol | does it wait for the next swing of the thing i'm trying to toggle on if it's already in progress? (next shot for hunter, next swing for melee attack) |
| 23:43.05 | kd3 | art3mis, http://spyglass-server.com/pub/zomgMAME.jpg |
| 23:43.11 | kd3 | ^ my roommate playing Ms. Pac-Man |
| 23:43.28 | Legorol | do any castsequence Gurus know the answer? |
| 23:43.28 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:43.35 | End | I have no idea |
| 23:43.43 | art3mis | thats kind of rad kd |
| 23:43.48 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, there is no way to go 'up' a level |
| 23:43.57 | Legorol | for that matter, which spell-related events are fired when a macro has /cast !Auto Shot in it? |
| 23:43.59 | Thunder_Child | or to jump pages |
| 23:44.16 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: it's a single static page, I just care about layout |
| 23:45.00 | malreth | i just got some random tell on my AH mule asking if i want an enchant... i'm currently trying to convince the guy that i'm not bracer specced |
| 23:45.03 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, seems nice then |
| 23:45.14 | art3mis | iriel use those swf pageflip book things ;P |
| 23:45.38 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, maybe short half grey lines on the horizontal |
| 23:50.07 | Legorol | I would like to understand the unit_spellcast_* events a bit better. I looked on wowwiki but haven't found any good pages yet. Is there any good page that explains there interrelationships? In particular, the order in which they occur. |
| 23:50.41 | Iriel | Legorol: Save yourself and simply dip your fingers in hot wax |
| 23:50.54 | Iriel | Legorol: It'll hurt less, and will take a lot less time |
| 23:50.59 | clad|sleep | or look at aftercast, where the pain from iriel's own hot wax dipping are evident :P |
| 23:51.01 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:51.19 | Iriel | Well, if you wonder why I still haven't released a proper post 2.0 aftercast, that's why |
| 23:51.19 | Legorol | mmm, reading code is not very appealing right now |
| 23:51.47 | Legorol | I'll ask a few questions in here, if you know the answer to it already, I will try to keep it simple ;-) |
| 23:51.53 | Iriel | In simple cases (only one pending cast, dont try casting spells when previous ones haven't finished) then it's quite straightforward |
| 23:52.05 | Iriel | as soon as concurrency is involved there's ambiguity and nastiness |
| 23:52.13 | Legorol | (notation: i will use _X to refer to UNIT_SPELLCAST_X) |
| 23:52.20 | Legorol | ok, let's not involve concurrency, fine for me :) |
| 23:52.28 | Legorol | is _START confirmed by the server? |
| 23:52.37 | Legorol | i know _SENT isn't |
| 23:52.43 | Iriel | Yes |
| 23:52.59 | Legorol | ok, so it's _SENT and then _START (barring pathological cases)? |
| 23:53.09 | Iriel | Instants dont START |
| 23:53.13 | Iriel | but the rest do |
| 23:53.22 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:53.23 | Iriel | normal casts: SENT / START / SUCCEEDED / STOP |
| 23:53.29 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:53.30 | Iriel | instant: SENT / SUCCEEDED / STOP |
| 23:53.34 | Legorol | cool |
| 23:53.45 | Legorol | Iriel: you should put that on the wiki somewhere ;-) that's the kind of info i was looking for |
| 23:53.52 | Legorol | what about fail and interrupt? |
| 23:53.57 | Iriel | If I could ever get a coherent set of proper rules, then I would |
| 23:53.58 | Legorol | SENT/START/FAILED/STOP? |
| 23:54.22 | Legorol | i'll ignore that for now :) |
| 23:54.27 | Legorol | let's not do pathological cases |
| 23:54.29 | Iriel | target death during cast is: SENT / START / FAILED / INTERRUPTED |
| 23:54.46 | Iriel | moving during cast (and interrupting) is SENT / START / STOP (... wait ..) INTERRUPTED |
| 23:54.53 | Legorol | ouch |
| 23:55.11 | Legorol | ok, i see it's quite complex, thanks i won't try to understand it all tonight then |
| 23:55.20 | Iriel | If you're mid cast then UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET fires when something fails, and it's more or less immediate |
| 23:55.27 | Legorol | do you know anything about what events are triggered when toggleable abilities are used? |
| 23:55.31 | Iriel | if you're not casting, then UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED fires instead |
| 23:55.35 | Legorol | eg. clicking melee autoattack or autoshot for hunter |
| 23:55.45 | Iriel | I dunno, that's why I wrote /dtevents |
| 23:55.49 | Iriel | use it, love it 8-) |
| 23:55.57 | Legorol | oh, good idea |
| 23:56.19 | Iriel | I would suggest binding a key to its toggle recording binding too |
| 23:56.30 | Iriel | so you dont have your experiment scroll out of the buffer |
| 23:56.51 | Legorol | am i right in thinking what's making it very complicated is that some events are clientside generated, whereas others are in response to a roundtrip to the server? |
| 23:57.22 | Iriel | The main thing that introduces ambiguity is that yes, some events come from the server, some from the client, and **they are indistinguishable** |
| 23:57.27 | Iriel | the bit in **'s in the painful key |
| 23:57.43 | Legorol | hm, UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET is not in the list on the wiki |
| 23:57.44 | Iriel | They used to be, back when we could PRE and post hook the Cast functions |
| 23:58.51 | Iriel | I've spent at least 24 hours (literally) since 2.0 trying to work spellcast events into a single coherent picture |
| 23:59.00 | Thunder_Child | cant you just ask? |
| 23:59.15 | Legorol | probably slouken himself doesn't know ^^ |
| 23:59.26 | Iriel | the general response is 'the spellcast code is ugly, i'm not surprised the events are a bit odd' - or something along those lines |
| 23:59.44 | Iriel | I probably need to step up my 'tell me which events came from the client' requests |
| 23:59.51 | Iriel | that would help |
| 23:59.55 | malreth | ~seen slouken |
| 23:59.57 | purl | slouken <n=slouken@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 90d 18h 28m 8s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
