| 00:00.00 | art3mis | "there are people in nag not helping me get the pvp target" |
| 00:00.16 | Industrial | no |
| 00:00.19 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.21 | Industrial | "there are people profiting from doing nothing, mostly automated" |
| 00:00.41 | art3mis | tehn they should change the honour divy |
| 00:00.43 | Industrial | and ad the same time ruining it for the rest |
| 00:00.58 | art3mis | and make it absed solely offa hks and being within proximity of the captures/towers |
| 00:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: I'm what I would consider by your definition one of those "whiny people." That said, if you're in a battleground, you should be playing... not jumping in circles and chain ressing as you're killed, doing effectively nothing but pad the opposing team's stats. |
| 00:01.08 | Industrial | art3mis: I agree on that |
| 00:01.13 | Arrowmaster | maybe blizzard should change the honor system so that you know you actually get honor from killing people instead of 90% of it being bonus honor |
| 00:01.21 | Industrial | art3mis: but thats hard when defending |
| 00:01.26 | Industrial | art3mis: which really is needed |
| 00:01.30 | art3mis | but offering up bans because of it or even punishing anyone thats afking there big deal |
| 00:01.38 | art3mis | not really |
| 00:01.49 | art3mis | if its proximity based you gt honour from retaking soemthing |
| 00:01.55 | art3mis | you also get honour from hks |
| 00:02.00 | Industrial | defending can also mean obstructing |
| 00:02.08 | Industrial | making them take longer so your team can do it faster |
| 00:02.19 | art3mis | yeah its not like a line of horde are just gonna interfer with the alliance progression ;P |
| 00:02.21 | Industrial | whatever you do to obstruct them = defense. it doesnt have to involve taking pvp points |
| 00:02.25 | art3mis | you'd sorta have to kill them to do that |
| 00:02.28 | art3mis | thus hks ;P |
| 00:02.33 | Industrial | .. no? |
| 00:02.55 | Industrial | stop them, ice trap etc |
| 00:03.01 | art3mis | okay name one way you could hinder the alliance progression that DIDNT involve killing them or retaking something |
| 00:03.19 | art3mis | ice trap == tagging them so you get hks for thier inevitable death |
| 00:03.43 | art3mis | although the entire force all trapped in ice would be hilarious |
| 00:03.53 | Industrial | im just saying |
| 00:03.54 | Industrial | :P |
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| 00:03.59 | [dRaCo] | create a BE and dance naked upon the path |
| 00:04.04 | art3mis | i think i wanna see that now |
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| 00:04.17 | art3mis | 25 hunters trapping the offence |
| 00:04.26 | art3mis | that would be great |
| 00:04.27 | Industrial | or mages |
| 00:04.34 | Industrial | jump in, ice aoe jump out |
| 00:04.36 | Industrial | valid defense |
| 00:04.39 | Industrial | very anoying |
| 00:04.50 | art3mis | yeah but they can still cast |
| 00:04.57 | art3mis | thus the iceblock trap would be funnier |
| 00:04.57 | Industrial | but but but |
| 00:05.10 | art3mis | and mass dispel makes it all go away |
| 00:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man. Small IRC networks ftw. http://pastey.net/80531 |
| 00:07.36 | Shirik | lul |
| 00:08.41 | Esamynn|Work | rofl |
| 00:10.06 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Zaleiria? |
| 00:11.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ? |
| 00:11.08 | Shirik | Is that you? |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no clue what you're talking about |
| 00:11.34 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 00:11.36 | Shirik | er |
| 00:11.41 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881821845&sid=1 |
| 00:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm Sbo on the forums |
| 00:12.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:12.19 | Shirik | well someone else seemed to be finding out the same stuff you were :P |
| 00:12.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I think it was... erm |
| 00:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm forgotten ;P |
| 00:12.42 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But no that was not me |
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| 00:15.42 | art3mis | hrm neat |
| 00:15.55 | art3mis | appearantly thers a dancing troll village in moonglade |
| 00:16.14 | art3mis | that you can get to via walljumping |
| 00:16.18 | art3mis | yay |
| 00:17.05 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: it's down the mountain between Darkshore and Moonglade: I've never manged to get there myself, but I've flown over it many times |
| 00:18.00 | art3mis | yeah |
| 00:18.07 | art3mis | imma go see if its fun and exciting |
| 00:18.15 | art3mis | the airport is pretty boring |
| 00:18.20 | Esamynn|Work | heh |
| 00:18.21 | Gnarfoz | art3mis: you can *still* get there? man they're sloppy |
| 00:18.38 | Esamynn|Work | I know they fixed getting into Hyjal |
| 00:18.42 | Kalroth | You could go there by mount once |
| 00:18.44 | art3mis | if yer good at wall jumping you can get anywhere ;P |
| 00:18.55 | art3mis | heh yeah they cheated with that though esa |
| 00:18.57 | Gnarfoz | wall jumping is far more limited than wallwalking ever was |
| 00:18.58 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: nah, not anywhere |
| 00:19.00 | art3mis | go go invisible barriers |
| 00:19.31 | Gnarfoz | getting into hyjal was never fixed completely, but I guess you can not anymore, since you can't get on top of the stuff outside the portal |
| 00:19.41 | Gnarfoz | you could still get around the invisible barriers |
| 00:20.14 | Esamynn|Work | you can't get into Hyjal anymore because they prevented you from being able to stand on a critical ledge in the path to get you over the mountain |
| 00:20.31 | art3mis | they did that to that palce in silith too |
| 00:20.52 | Esamynn|Work | graphically the ledge is there, but there is not an invisible wall preventing you from actually getting onto it |
| 00:21.01 | art3mis | ahh |
| 00:21.18 | Esamynn|Work | s/not/now/ |
| 00:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong, all of you! |
| 00:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I've still gotten in |
| 00:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | BUT! |
| 00:21.33 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: now recently? |
| 00:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's now marked as No Man's Land. |
| 00:21.39 | Esamynn|Work | s/now/how/ |
| 00:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Recently as of when I first heard that they actually prevented you from getting in |
| 00:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It was a while ago |
| 00:22.06 | Gnarfoz | I didn't to any exploring after 1.09 anymore, it wasn't that much fun anymore :< |
| 00:22.18 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: as in well over a year, right? |
| 00:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: no, less |
| 00:22.29 | Esamynn|Work | oh? |
| 00:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And I got around the barriers |
| 00:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But, as I said |
| 00:22.44 | Esamynn|Work | they've been "fixing" people getting in there since release |
| 00:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | They zoned it as No Man's Land |
| 00:22.56 | JoshBorke | so your zone text = "No Man's Land"? |
| 00:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is a zone-wide debuff which sits there for three seconds and then teleports you out |
| 00:23.03 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 00:23.04 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 00:23.07 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:23.15 | Esamynn|Work | oh, lol |
| 00:23.23 | JoshBorke | that's awesome |
| 00:23.23 | Esamynn|Work | they used that during the BC alpha |
| 00:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | They used it a lot back in TBC beta |
| 00:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:23.27 | Gnarfoz | that is news to me, and I've literally seen every edge of the maps in my time |
| 00:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | SMV before it was finish? |
| 00:23.38 | Gnarfoz | but only on live |
| 00:23.40 | ScytheBlade1 | s/finish/finished/? |
| 00:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, teleported out. |
| 00:23.52 | Gnarfoz | heh neato |
| 00:24.04 | Gnarfoz | never had any beta/alpha/whatever keys |
| 00:24.28 | Cide | gamma keys are the best |
| 00:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, they gave up keeping people out of Hyjal by changing the terrain, and simply fixed it for good |
| 00:24.48 | Esamynn|Work | indeed |
| 00:24.53 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 00:25.02 | Gnarfoz | took them long enough, lol |
| 00:25.08 | Esamynn|Work | no kidding |
| 00:25.10 | Cide | if all you want to see is the terrain, just open it up in a model viewer |
| 00:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 00:25.35 | Esamynn|Work | you can STILL get under Karazhan ;) |
| 00:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's true |
| 00:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And you can still get in the Crypts |
| 00:25.56 | Esamynn|Work | where? |
| 00:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ... heh |
| 00:26.15 | Esamynn|Work | as in, which crypts are you refering to? |
| 00:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Not below Kara exactly, but close |
| 00:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Right next to the Kara graveyard is a gate that goes somewhat deep down |
| 00:26.37 | Gnarfoz | the only interesting crypts, I guess, the ones that were once besides karazhan |
| 00:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 00:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Those |
| 00:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And they're still there |
| 00:26.56 | Gnarfoz | doesn't it have a "hard" portcullis by now? not a doodad that you could get around? |
| 00:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And you can still get in to it |
| 00:27.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's vulnerable to the "polymorph method" |
| 00:27.27 | Gnarfoz | since when is normal map geometry vulnerable to that oO |
| 00:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not normal map geometry |
| 00:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It's still a somewhat transparent gate |
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| 00:41.31 | Shirik | FYI |
| 00:41.39 | Shirik | If you lost your voice, please don't try to sing, even if there's nobody around |
| 00:41.45 | Shirik | You'll hate yourself forever |
| 00:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:42.13 | Shirik | I got a bit into "oh danny boy" but then that ended up in me almost shooting myself in the face |
| 00:42.56 | art3mis | so yeah just as an update you can totally get here again wall jumping ;P |
| 00:43.10 | art3mis | the dancig trolls on moonglade/darkshore |
| 00:52.58 | batrick | zzz |
| 00:53.03 | art3mis | sadly they're all green to me and i cant fight em |
| 00:53.04 | art3mis | ;( |
| 00:53.12 | art3mis | cant even tick "at war" |
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| 01:02.22 | art3mis | and the fishing sucks since its techncially darkshore |
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| 01:06.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're green for horde? |
| 01:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | or are they just altogether green now |
| 01:07.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they were yellow for a good 3 years |
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| 01:10.50 | art3mis | If you pop spell reflect and type /sit (or make a macro) you will keep the spell reflect buff for full duration, even if you are getting hit with several spells. Very useful vs 2nuker classes in 2v2 arena. |
| 01:10.50 | art3mis | Combustion bug is similar. Pop combustion, get a few non crits, the higher the better. Cast fireball or pyroblast, and when the fireball is in the air, use the /sit macro. When the fireball lands, and crits, you will not lose a combustion charge! Only downside is that you wont get ignite proc either |
| 01:10.55 | art3mis | dunno i only have horde |
| 01:11.05 | art3mis | they're shatterspear trolls |
| 01:11.13 | art3mis | im guessing its green for horde and yellow for alliance |
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| 01:22.13 | Nechckn | Quick question for anyone who has experienced both- used to use SCT but have been using the defaults for a bit and want to go back to a text mod- so, SCT or MikSBT? |
| 01:23.35 | JoshBorke | <3 miksbt, but i don't understand the question |
| 01:23.50 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:24.55 | Duman | man that hunter autoshot bug is crazy |
| 01:25.08 | art3mis | msbt > sct |
| 01:25.22 | art3mis | if you dont dislike librock you can go with parrot too |
| 01:25.27 | Nechckn | Appreciate the input guys... yeah, that came out all wrong |
| 01:25.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love ckknight's stuff but prefer sct to msbt or parrot |
| 01:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use pretty much all his ither addons :p |
| 01:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | other |
| 01:26.19 | |pez| | uuugh, so full. |
| 01:26.33 | art3mis | i loved ckk's wowace stuff |
| 01:26.36 | art3mis | ;) |
| 01:26.43 | art3mis | err ace2 |
| 01:26.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dont have a problem with rock, either |
| 01:27.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dont give a damn what libs something uses |
| 01:27.39 | Nechckn | hahaha Yeah, I don't care about the libs, per se, so that is something I'll look into as well. Thanks again! |
| 01:28.00 | art3mis | heh i do ;) |
| 01:28.11 | art3mis | particularly when they take over the function of other thigns ;P |
| 01:28.36 | art3mis | like oce librock took over the remote |
| 01:28.44 | art3mis | and i had to watch desperate housewives |
| 01:28.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | remote? |
| 01:28.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 01:28.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | laffo |
| 01:28.56 | Nechckn | rofl |
| 01:29.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loved the whole librock/that other addon drama |
| 01:29.18 | art3mis | i started most of that |
| 01:29.20 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:29.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still side with ckknight on that one |
| 01:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure it might have been a dick move but it wasn't unprovoked |
| 01:29.56 | art3mis | thats because you are a copmmunist and hate freedom |
| 01:30.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm about the biggest opposer to communism there is |
| 01:30.32 | art3mis | the only major issue i have with it is that it changed from a "community" to a single person doing things the way they wanted |
| 01:30.35 | Nechckn | I figure it this way... someone else is taking their own time to code the suckers, so I don't have to- For the most part, they can do what they will. Though if my remote starts acting up, I'll know where to look now! |
| 01:30.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | not in the witch-hunt manner, but in the purely economic matter |
| 01:30.53 | art3mis | the community aspect is what drew me to ace2 in the first place and then that went away |
| 01:31.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis: the community is what makes acetards in my opinion |
| 01:31.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | "hay can u ace this" |
| 01:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | "ace runs better" |
| 01:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | etc |
| 01:31.22 | art3mis | and ckk does things in a way that makes me vomit a little in my mouth most of the time ;P |
| 01:31.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | haven't tried an addon of his that i didn't like |
| 01:31.51 | art3mis | librockconfig being one of those ways |
| 01:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've tried em all |
| 01:31.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | that i know of |
| 01:31.59 | art3mis | i just REALLY dont like how it lays out things |
| 01:32.18 | art3mis | its a personal prefernce which is why i say i dont use it for moral reasons ;P |
| 01:32.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it sounds more like personal bias than personal preference |
| 01:33.01 | art3mis | same diff really |
| 01:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is just as valid, just differen't |
| 01:33.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 01:33.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | minus the apostrophe |
| 01:33.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno where the hell that came from |
| 01:33.20 | art3mis | differen not ? |
| 01:33.22 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:33.37 | art3mis | okay i need to make a new ui |
| 01:33.49 | art3mis | hkui's fot are starting to hurt my eyes |
| 01:33.52 | art3mis | font |
| 01:33.52 | Shirik | don't you make a new UI like every week? |
| 01:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | make one with korn.jpg as the background |
| 01:33.58 | art3mis | nope |
| 01:34.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | for every texture |
| 01:34.09 | Shirik | well you used to :P |
| 01:34.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.18 | art3mis | i used to make themes alot ;P |
| 01:34.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | use it |
| 01:34.29 | art3mis | but then some whorebags refused to make me a profile swapper ;P |
| 01:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been trying to get these whorebags to write me a script for years now |
| 01:35.29 | art3mis | but i did create a ton of cycircled skins |
| 01:35.34 | art3mis | which made others create more |
| 01:35.38 | art3mis | so that makes me happy |
| 01:36.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | juicy trucker farts |
| 01:37.25 | Duman | sigh, the mental retardation of reposting the hunter exploit everywhere begins! |
| 01:37.34 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:37.45 | |pez| | hunter exploit? |
| 01:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | the more well known it is the faster it'll get fixed |
| 01:37.57 | art3mis | you should correct it with a /quit inbetween the autoshots ;P |
| 01:38.06 | Duman | it's not going to get fixed any faster or slower |
| 01:38.11 | Duman | it will get fixed as soona s teh devs can fix it |
| 01:38.27 | Duman | General: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909372882&sid=1 |
| 01:38.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | the best ways to get exploits fixed are 1) videos of it 2) forum posts detailing how to do it |
| 01:38.38 | Duman | Huntar: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909372885&sid=1 |
| 01:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've seen it happen countless times |
| 01:39.19 | Duman | Most of the Bug Report ones were deleted |
| 01:39.28 | Duman | someone reposted it, of course :) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881822137&sid=1 |
| 01:40.00 | Duman | I love teh "ZOMG NO BLUE COMMENTED... IT MUST BE WORKING AS INTENDED!@!@!!11eleventeen" |
| 01:40.09 | Duman | I mean, come on... |
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| 01:47.46 | art3mis | wow |
| 01:47.53 | art3mis | trinity bars sure has come a long way |
| 01:48.10 | Duman | heh |
| 01:48.23 | Duman | Maul is hard at work |
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| 01:54.46 | Duman | hmm |
| 02:01.33 | kd3 | huzzah! they're finally taking a harder line on AFKers |
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| 02:13.12 | art3mis | holy chriast was he EVER busy |
| 02:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | catbutter |
| 02:13.26 | art3mis | its gonna tkae me like 5 hours just to setupthe button layout |
| 02:20.18 | art3mis | i just finded my new fav addon |
| 02:20.25 | art3mis | trinity buttons |
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| 04:32.56 | Corrodias | hmm, i wonder what all these "transport<number>" maps are in the map viewer |
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| 04:35.53 | kd3 | whee for modern technology |
| 04:36.04 | kd3 | RMAing 2-month-old drives is fun |
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| 05:04.18 | Tem__ | okay, so |
| 05:04.20 | Tem__ | who has a wii? |
| 05:04.49 | kd3 | <-- |
| 05:05.13 | Tem__ | can you tell me how to get to the option screen where I set the location and size of the sensor bar? |
| 05:05.47 | Tem__ | (and it also allows me to adjust where it puts the pointer) |
| 05:05.47 | kd3 | wii menu --> lower right corner --> settings (right button). think it's on page 2 or 3. "sensor bar" |
| 05:05.59 | Tem__ | Sensor bar only has 2 options for me |
| 05:06.07 | Tem__ | position and sensitivity |
| 05:06.13 | kd3 | position |
| 05:06.18 | Tem__ | if I click on position, it only lets me set "top" or "bottom" |
| 05:06.26 | kd3 | that's relative to the TV |
| 05:06.37 | Tem__ | hmm? |
| 05:06.48 | kd3 | is your sensor bar above or below the TV? |
| 05:06.59 | dylanm | That's really all it lets you change. |
| 05:07.24 | Tem__ | it's below |
| 05:07.29 | kd3 | then set bottom |
| 05:07.38 | Tem__ | it is |
| 05:07.43 | Tem__ | however, it's too low |
| 05:07.51 | Tem__ | er, too hight |
| 05:07.58 | Tem__ | when I point at the middle of the screen, it puts it at the top |
| 05:08.17 | Tem__ | When I last set this up, I got to a screen where I adjusted a bar for how wide the sensor bar was |
| 05:08.22 | Tem__ | (relative to the screen) |
| 05:08.36 | Tem__ | and then it let me adjust the vertical placement of the pointer |
| 05:08.41 | Tem__ | I can't find that setting this time |
| 05:08.44 | kd3 | huh? I don't remember that |
| 05:09.33 | Tem__ | crap |
| 05:09.38 | Tem__ | I'm not crazy |
| 05:09.45 | Tem__ | I _did_ have this setting |
| 05:09.58 | kd3 | it get taken out in a system update or something? |
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| 05:10.50 | Rayne|Poker | wow... |
| 05:10.54 | Tem__ | afaik, it hasn't been connected to the internet this whole time |
| 05:10.58 | Tem__ | so... |
| 05:10.59 | Rayne|Poker | Leotheras is harder than I thought... |
| 05:11.04 | Tem__ | (it's not my wii) |
| 05:11.12 | Tem__ | (I've been borrowing it since last friday) |
| 05:11.38 | Tem__ | I didn't set it up for the wireless in my apartment, however, when I got home today, the CD hole was bright blue |
| 05:11.42 | Tem__ | doesn't that mean there was an update? |
| 05:11.50 | kd3 | think so |
| 05:12.00 | kd3 | I turned it off. it's too bright for me to sleep |
| 05:12.32 | Tem__ | well, I'm on a different TV, and I must adjust the vertical position of them pointer |
| 05:12.41 | Tem__ | it hurts my rist to hit the middle of the screen |
| 05:12.45 | Tem__ | there's no way I can play that way |
| 05:12.57 | kd3 | try putting the sensor bar up top? |
| 05:13.28 | Tem__ | because of the way I'm trying to sit, it doesn't catch the signal very well on top |
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| 05:19.45 | Tem__ | kd3, also, if it was taken out by an update, it would have had to happen in the last week |
| 05:19.51 | Tem__ | that seems kind of unlikely to me |
| 05:19.53 | kd3 | hm |
| 05:20.02 | Tem__ | especially since it was a really useful feature |
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| 05:44.35 | dolby-wowi | Happy Birthday Cairenn!!!!! |
| 05:44.55 | Cairenn | hehehe, too late, that was yesterday (it's after midnight here ;) ) |
| 05:45.14 | Cairenn | thanks dolby-wowi :) |
| 05:45.28 | dolby-wowi | its 11:45pm cst |
| 05:45.39 | Cairenn | but I'm est, so .... ;) |
| 05:45.57 | dolby-wowi | so? its still your birthday here! |
| 05:46.08 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 05:47.29 | kd3 | good grief, what's with the January birthdays? a lot of my extended family (incl. me) are celebrating this month too |
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| 05:49.45 | kd3 | better yet, what's up with may? |
| 05:50.37 | Cairenn | I know so many people whose birthdays are in Jan, it's bizarre |
| 06:12.52 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn's Bday? well now... |
| 06:13.05 | Cairenn | yesterday! |
| 06:13.10 | Thunder_Child | today for me |
| 06:13.20 | batrick | happy birthday Cairenn |
| 06:13.26 | Cairenn | thanks guys :) |
| 06:13.28 | Thunder_Child | ah ha |
| 06:13.47 | Thunder_Child | that way i wont forget |
| 06:13.48 | Cairenn | gack! |
| 06:14.30 | Thunder_Child | what? it's not like your not in there already |
| 06:15.00 | Thunder_Child | umm...you wouldnt be willing to tell me the year would you? |
| 06:15.23 | Cairenn | not a chance |
| 06:15.32 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* didnt think so |
| 06:16.12 | Thunder_Child | that means it's going to predict your bday as 1 years old this time next year |
| 06:16.42 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:20.00 | Corv | Sigh. I suppose it's time to speak up and risk making a fool of myself. I'm trying to assemble what I'd hoped would be a simple chat addon, and well... it ain't going. |
| 06:21.55 | Corv | I want to create a keybinding for tabbing between ChatFrames, but I can't find anything for determining the Left-to-Right order of the Frames, or even how to show a given Frame. |
| 06:23.15 | batrick | Cairenn: your Mod Author resources thread points to the 5.0 lua manual! |
| 06:23.24 | Cairenn | blah |
| 06:23.31 | Cairenn | ~lua |
| 06:23.32 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym its a word in Portuguese that means "moon". |
| 06:23.40 | Cairenn | ~pil |
| 06:23.41 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 06:23.54 | batrick | just change the 5.0 in the link to 5.1 :P |
| 06:24.08 | Thunder_Child | Corv, have you checked http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Chat_Window_Functions ? |
| 06:25.00 | batrick | i'm shocked gvim isn't in the Lua Editors list either |
| 06:25.19 | Corv | I've looked over it a bit, yes. |
| 06:26.10 | Cairenn | batrick: the thread is always evolving, as people point out things that need to be added/deleted/changed/revised |
| 06:26.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:26.36 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1&pageNo=3#49 |
| 06:26.39 | batrick | :P |
| 06:26.43 | batrick | that was 4 monthes ago! |
| 06:26.57 | batrick | XXD |
| 06:27.16 | Cairenn | point |
| 06:28.37 | Thunder_Child | would anyone happen to know about 5.1 wireless speaker systems? |
| 06:29.22 | Corv | SetChatWindowShown doesn't seem to do... anything, and I'd been hoping that was my route to showing a different ChatFrame. And as far as the indices for the frames go, those are assigned in the order of the frames' creation and have no bearing on their positioning- I can't find anything that *does* have a bearing on positioning, for that matter. |
| 06:30.05 | Fisker- | doesn't matter |
| 06:30.09 | Fisker- | i'm still in wifi range |
| 06:30.35 | Fisker- | power over ethernet bitch |
| 06:30.43 | Thunder_Child | not on wi-fi |
| 06:30.48 | Fisker- | ahuh |
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| 06:31.15 | Fisker- | power over teslanet then :P |
| 06:33.28 | Fisker- | if i don't know what it is it can't hurt me |
| 06:33.46 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt hurt, it just shuts you down |
| 06:35.52 | Thunder_Child | hmm..rather odd to be typing in 'creative' and have 'creampie' start showing up |
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| 07:12.11 | art3mis | wheeeeeeeee |
| 07:12.19 | art3mis | damn you maul! |
| 07:13.11 | Thunder_Child | ~lart3mis |
| 07:13.11 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 07:13.26 | art3mis | playing with trinity buttons is too much fun |
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| 07:33.49 | End | wabble dobble doo! |
| 07:34.02 | End-sleep | I always say that before going to bed |
| 07:34.14 | End-sleep | actually, no I'm a dirty liar, I made that up |
| 07:41.19 | art3mis | hrm |
| 07:41.56 | art3mis | whats a nice compact unitframe addon that doesnt have anythign other than party, buffs, and player/pet |
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| 07:42.18 | art3mis | and i can move it around and its not the default ones |
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| 07:50.27 | Fisker- | ahahaha |
| 07:50.30 | Fisker- | you gotta be kidding me :D |
| 07:50.35 | Fisker- | uicentral compromised again |
| 07:51.58 | Corv | Grr. Any ideas where to look for the menu that pops up when you right-click a chat window tab? I swear it ain't in ChatFrame.lua. |
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| 08:58.44 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
| 09:00.08 | art3mis | booooooooo |
| 09:00.44 | cncfanatics | mmmmm, bbq'd squirrel |
| 09:01.13 | art3mis | heh at my old place in calgary we ueed to ahve tons of squirrels out front and part of my wanted to make little squirrel landmines |
| 09:01.33 | art3mis | just cuz it would be funny to stun/shock a squirrel with one and see it scamper away all confused |
| 09:01.42 | cncfanatics | Looking for a premier BLOGGING service ? typepad has the tools you need ! start with a 14-day trial ! |
| 09:01.49 | cncfanatics | come on, blogging services exist already ? |
| 09:01.53 | cncfanatics | should go shoot their owners |
| 09:03.20 | cncfanatics | noty |
| 09:04.31 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Irs1ewDoM |
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| 10:08.22 | Corv | *sigh* Alright, why won't SetChatWindowShown(2,1) show the combat log? |
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| 10:24.36 | Xinhuan | iriel around? |
| 10:24.47 | Iriel | only partially |
| 10:25.15 | Xinhuan | i think i need to request permission to copy the drawline code from libgraph so i can remove the dependency Cartographer_Routes has on it |
| 10:25.49 | Xinhuan | will you grant it? :) |
| 10:26.38 | Iriel | if its the line drawing code that also appears in the TaxiFrame.lua file of WoW then sure, you have my permission |
| 10:27.15 | Xinhuan | hmm i'll check if its the same |
| 10:27.31 | Iriel | if the code in libgraph has my name credited then i'm pretty sure it will be |
| 10:28.11 | Xinhuan | yeah its almost the same, other than the fact that the library code has a bit more stuff in it to store the texture in a table to recycle line textures |
| 10:29.10 | Xinhuan | i've ported LibGraph-1.0 (ace2) to LibGraph-2.0 (libstubbed) with cryect allowing that, but i'm not sure if that requires you to say yes too |
| 10:29.42 | Iriel | Well, you have my permission for the bits I wrote 8-) |
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| 10:31.15 | Xinhuan | ok thanks! |
| 10:35.43 | Iriel | youre welcome |
| 10:35.48 | Iriel | good luck |
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| 10:49.30 | cncfanatics | grrrrr |
| 10:49.32 | cncfanatics | my gvim is buggy |
| 10:49.33 | cncfanatics | and it sucks |
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| 10:55.12 | Polarina | Cairenn|afk: Happy birthday! |
| 10:55.45 | Fin | happy birthday Cairenn |
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| 12:41.22 | Beladona | morning |
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| 12:56.26 | [Liq] | new ui <3 http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9687/wowscrnshot011208124818hw7.jpg |
| 12:57.30 | Shirik|zZz | I never did like minimalistic UIs but that's just me. I'm sure people will love it. |
| 12:57.38 | Shirik | I have to know literally everything |
| 12:57.44 | Shirik | unfortunately my UI is cluttered as a result |
| 12:58.19 | nevcairiel | I'm alot like Shirik :( |
| 12:58.32 | [Liq] | But there's nothing more to show :S |
| 12:58.35 | [Liq] | IT's a twink |
| 12:58.39 | Shirik | People see my UI and they're like "how the hell do you see anything" |
| 12:58.45 | [Liq] | I got no more abilities or anything |
| 12:58.49 | Shirik | And I'm like "Yeah but I'm never the guy that misses a dispel!" |
| 12:58.57 | buu | I'm so totally getting a second monitor |
| 12:58.57 | Shirik | [Liq] heh that makes a little more sense :) |
| 12:59.00 | [Liq] | heh Shirik, you got a "Molten Core"-UI :P |
| 12:59.02 | buu | Then I can have room for combat logs. |
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| 13:13.21 | Shirik | "Also, I'm planning for us to have a semi-mandatory meeting next Tuesday (the 15th) in LB232 from 1 pm to 2 pm. This is primarily so the advisors can see our progress." |
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| 13:13.27 | Shirik | How do you make a "semi-mandatory meeting" |
| 13:19.13 | Beladona | with semi-visible memos |
| 13:20.29 | Shirik | kinda true... |
| 13:20.35 | Shirik | "To: undisclosed-recipients" |
| 13:20.37 | Shirik | .... |
| 13:20.55 | Beladona | yeah |
| 13:21.05 | Beladona | I love that, and then they hand them out to everyone in view |
| 13:21.13 | Beladona | so its not really undisclosed |
| 13:21.39 | Beladona | I think its an eay way of saying "to too many people to fit in this space" |
| 13:22.11 | Beladona | or "I didn't really give a shit, so I didn't put everyone's names" |
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| 13:29.35 | zenzelezz | I think it's more along the lines of "those who don't show get pushed to back of the line for pay raises" |
| 13:32.56 | Shirik | if ( not IIIll1li1lI1 ~= "Alliance" ) |
| 13:32.59 | Shirik | that's one hell of a line |
| 13:33.26 | nevcairiel | yay for sane variable names |
| 13:33.50 | Shirik | oh no, every variable looks like that |
| 13:34.03 | Shirik | first three lines in the addon: |
| 13:34.06 | nevcairiel | who writes shit like that? |
| 13:34.07 | Shirik | i1111lllllI1 = {}; |
| 13:34.07 | Shirik | lIIIIlIIIIll = { frame = 0, queued = 0, av = 0, deserter = 0, }; |
| 13:34.07 | Shirik | i1llll1l11 = ""; |
| 13:34.20 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80952#post80952 |
| 13:34.53 | nevcairiel | oh my |
| 13:34.56 | nevcairiel | thats so stupid |
| 13:35.25 | _Chloe_ | wth... |
| 13:35.26 | Shirik | oh also, the code is flooded with "arg1" and "this" and such |
| 13:36.27 | Shirik | OMG! |
| 13:36.31 | Shirik | There are locals in one of the functions!! |
| 13:36.33 | Shirik | Yey! |
| 13:36.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:36.47 | zenzelezz | must have been a typo |
| 13:37.00 | nevcairiel | you went through the code and added newlines and indentation eh? |
| 13:37.05 | nevcairiel | why even bother? o.O |
| 13:37.20 | Shirik | I'm working on it |
| 13:37.35 | Shirik | To get rid of the damn lockdown |
| 13:37.51 | nevcairiel | local li1IllIll1l1lli = "\105\102\32\40\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41\61\61\34\65\108\108\105\97\110\99\101\34\41\32\116\104\101\110\32\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\101\110\100"; |
| 13:37.53 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 13:37.54 | nevcairiel | comeone |
| 13:37.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:38.44 | Shirik | yeah I just came across this: "\108\49\73\108\49\73\108\49\73();" |
| 13:38.55 | Shirik | lua> print("\108\49\73\108\49\73\108\49\73();"); |
| 13:38.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: l1Il1Il1I(); |
| 13:38.59 | Shirik | .... |
| 13:38.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:39.13 | nevcairiel | lua> "\105\102\32\40\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41\61\61\34\65\108\108\105\97\110\99\101\34\41\32\116\104\101\110\32\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\101\110\100" |
| 13:39.13 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: if (UnitFactionGroup("player")=="Alliance") then return end |
| 13:39.16 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 13:39.23 | Shirik | yeah there's more than one of that though |
| 13:39.33 | Shirik | but thanks nevcairiel :P |
| 13:40.21 | zenzelezz | you should make some sort of script that took all variable names and transformed them into randomly selected English names |
| 13:40.25 | nevcairiel | whats so special about that mod that someone even does it? |
| 13:40.41 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing the author is horde and doesn't want alliance to use it |
| 13:40.56 | nevcairiel | what a moron |
| 13:42.00 | Shirik | lua> "\108\73\49\108\73\49\108\73\49();" |
| 13:42.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: lI1lI1lI1(); |
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| 13:42.04 | Shirik | sigh |
| 13:43.41 | krka | is the mod good enough to deserve reverse engineering? |
| 13:44.11 | krka | is the mod complex enough to make it difficult to simply reimplement? |
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| 13:47.41 | Shirik | no and no |
| 13:47.44 | Shirik | But I'm bored |
| 13:48.06 | Shirik | In my experiences it'll only be a couple of lines |
| 13:48.13 | Shirik | nevcairiel's likely already found one of the big ones |
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| 13:49.46 | Beladona | thats retarded |
| 13:51.25 | Shirik | lua> "\105\102\32\40\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41\61\61\34\65\108\108\105\97\110\99\101\34\41\32\116\104\101\110\32\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\101\110\100" |
| 13:51.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: if (UnitFactionGroup("player")=="Alliance") then return end |
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| 13:54.44 | krka | quite retarded obfuscated DRM, indeed |
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| 13:59.56 | Shirik | if ( iI1iI1Il11ii ) then end |
| 13:59.57 | Shirik | o.o |
| 13:59.59 | Beladona | did he write that? |
| 14:00.05 | Shirik | yes he wrote that :P |
| 14:00.08 | Beladona | or is this something he took and is modifying |
| 14:00.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:00.14 | Beladona | he should be shot |
| 14:00.19 | Shirik | no I think he took it and tried to undo the locks |
| 14:00.23 | Shirik | and failed so asked for help |
| 14:00.35 | Beladona | can hardly blame him |
| 14:00.42 | Beladona | its intense |
| 14:00.53 | haste | haven't we already torn that one apart? |
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| 14:01.15 | cncfanatics | wouldn't local UnitFactionGroup = function() return "fuck you stupid script"; end |
| 14:01.19 | cncfanatics | wouldn't that do the job SHirik ? |
| 14:01.26 | cncfanatics | at the top ofc |
| 14:01.35 | Shirik | probably heh |
| 14:01.42 | Shirik | but I'd prefer not to break other things in the process |
| 14:01.47 | cncfanatics | its local |
| 14:01.51 | cncfanatics | would only affect that file |
| 14:01.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:01.53 | Shirik | fair enough |
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| 14:02.02 | Shirik | ah well, no |
| 14:02.09 | Shirik | loadstring() wouldn't pick those up |
| 14:02.25 | haste | manipulate the env? |
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| 14:04.13 | Shirik | there's also calls to UnitRace that I'm going to have to figure out it seems :/ |
| 14:04.30 | haste | but! |
| 14:04.36 | haste | we have already made that code sane |
| 14:04.37 | haste | once before |
| 14:04.55 | haste | it's the "horde only" AV thingy |
| 14:05.03 | Shirik | Then show me =( |
| 14:05.40 | haste | I don't have it, it's like.. 6 months ago :p |
| 14:05.47 | Shirik | =( |
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| 14:06.33 | cncfanatics | what does it even do ? |
| 14:06.43 | Shirik | supposedly joins AV as a group |
| 14:06.55 | Thrae | Bah, I'm awake too early. |
| 14:07.51 | cncfanatics | ah, just joins in everyone at once |
| 14:08.13 | nevcairiel | tell him to use another mod of that kind? :( |
| 14:08.57 | nevcairiel | and tell me whats wrong with my old motherboard. i connect power, all fans start to spin (note: didnt push power button or anything), and i dont get any screen output or pc speaker beeps |
| 14:09.39 | Shirik | Oh I used to know this |
| 14:09.40 | Beladona | in a case? |
| 14:09.47 | Beladona | or are you testing barebones |
| 14:09.58 | nevcairiel | i removed it from its case for figuring out wtf is wrong |
| 14:10.01 | [Liq] | http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5348/wowscrnshot011208150720xu7.jpg |
| 14:10.03 | Shirik | If it turns on by itself but refuses to post.... |
| 14:10.15 | Beladona | do you have teh leads connected for teh pwoer switch? |
| 14:11.07 | nevcairiel | Beladona: not right now, but i had before when it was in its case |
| 14:11.12 | Beladona | it could be a short. I was gonna suggest no leads, and use a screwdriver of scissors to short the power switch pins to turn it on. |
| 14:11.19 | Beladona | or* |
| 14:11.32 | nevcairiel | yeah i tried that, only connected power and screen |
| 14:11.35 | nevcairiel | and it starts |
| 14:11.37 | nevcairiel | crazy |
| 14:11.40 | Beladona | but no post |
| 14:11.45 | nevcairiel | nop nothing |
| 14:11.53 | Beladona | no led on the mobo? |
| 14:12.16 | nevcairiel | one shows green which means hey i got power |
| 14:12.21 | Beladona | meh |
| 14:12.28 | zenzelezz | that's one of the things I loved about my Epox motherboards, on-board hex display |
| 14:12.40 | Beladona | and you are sure the vid card you have in it is compatible? |
| 14:13.04 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: i had a epox before too, that was great |
| 14:13.24 | nevcairiel | Beladona: i tried a PCI-E and a normal PCI, both worked in that thing before |
| 14:13.31 | Beladona | hmm |
| 14:13.52 | Beladona | try clearing cmos? |
| 14:14.25 | nevcairiel | I replaced that board like in october, it worked just fine till then. stored it for a while, now wanted to build some linux box from it, and it doesnt start |
| 14:14.30 | nevcairiel | tried clearing with teh switch |
| 14:14.36 | nevcairiel | might try to remove the battery |
| 14:14.40 | zenzelezz | I had a mini-ITX once that would refuse to work if I set the display mode in the BIOS to LCD, even though I used an LCD... had to clear the CMOS on that to get it running again o_O |
| 14:15.13 | Beladona | I hope its that simple |
| 14:15.18 | Shirik | Y'all ain't seen nothing till you've tried to get a PC/104 to work |
| 14:15.27 | Shirik | Because apparently the power supply is not compatible |
| 14:15.30 | Shirik | even though it gets shipped with it |
| 14:15.44 | Shirik | Awesome company those guys |
| 14:16.44 | nevcairiel | Its an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, i've been googling about it, and that problem seems to be common, but i didnt find any workaround or solution |
| 14:16.48 | nevcairiel | short of "send board back" |
| 14:16.59 | Polarina | Cairenn|afk: Forum: LUA Script help -- It's not LUA, it's Lua! |
| 14:16.59 | krka | Polarina: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 14:17.02 | nevcairiel | (plus, its too old now for that solution) |
| 14:17.09 | Polarina | krka: Exactly! |
| 14:17.24 | Thrae | nevcairiel: I have (had) the A8N-SLI Deluxe. What's the problem? |
| 14:17.55 | nevcairiel | I connect the power and it automagically starts to power up all fans, but doesnt POST |
| 14:18.19 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Is the chipset fan spinning? |
| 14:18.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 14:18.36 | Thrae | Is the chipset fan making a very loud noise? |
| 14:18.38 | nevcairiel | (I replaced that one already with the ASUS replacement fan because i had a noisy one) |
| 14:18.44 | Thrae | Ah |
| 14:19.22 | nevcairiel | like, 2 years ago. i had that issue pretty fast, and got the free new fan directly from asus |
| 14:19.43 | Thrae | I just replaced mine with a cheap Zalmann heatsink...never had a problem again |
| 14:20.16 | Thrae | Anyway, does it give any beep codes? |
| 14:20.19 | nevcairiel | I never had problems either. Up until i replaced the board with a new C2D based system, and now it refuses to work :P |
| 14:20.31 | nevcairiel | no, no output whatsoever, no screen, no beep |
| 14:20.38 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 14:20.45 | Thrae | Wait, you replaced the motherboard? |
| 14:20.58 | Thrae | I'm confused. What motherboard are you using? |
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| 14:21.23 | nevcairiel | I replaced my main system which i am typing on. But i wanted to use the old Asus for a linux box or something |
| 14:21.26 | nevcairiel | but it refuses to work :P |
| 14:21.32 | Shirik | ~doesntwork |
| 14:21.33 | purl | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem |
| 14:21.37 | Shirik | Sorry I had to :P |
| 14:21.51 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:21.52 | Thrae | Ah, OK. Now this may seem like a stupid question to you, but are you sure you have the 4-pin square connector in place? |
| 14:22.03 | nevcairiel | yes i have |
| 14:22.29 | Shirik | lua> "\114" |
| 14:22.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: r |
| 14:22.53 | Shirik | What do you guys think this does? if ( string.sub(i1llll1l11, 50, 50) ~= "\114" ) then |
| 14:22.57 | Thrae | OK. Take everything out of the system, including the memory, and remove all connections except the power and LEDs + Power / Reset Switch + Speaker |
| 14:23.02 | nevcairiel | I even tried 2 different power supplys because i thought that was it |
| 14:23.53 | Thrae | Shirik: Trying to decode Thottbot again? |
| 14:23.59 | Shirik | negative |
| 14:24.08 | Shirik | what do you mean "again" ? |
| 14:24.11 | Shirik | I never did that before >< |
| 14:24.19 | Thrae | That variable name seems obsfucated. |
| 14:24.34 | Shirik | lua> "\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41" |
| 14:24.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: return UnitFactionGroup("player") |
| 14:24.40 | Shirik | it is most definitely obfuscated :P |
| 14:26.09 | Shirik | Anyway, Thrae, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80964#post80964 |
| 14:26.14 | nevcairiel | Thrae: anyway, the board now only has power + cpu, and it powers up all fans, and doesnt beep or react on me punching the power button |
| 14:27.33 | Thrae | nevcairiel: OK. Remove the CPU if you haven't already. |
| 14:27.53 | JoshBorke | mobo is fubared |
| 14:28.23 | clad|away | Shirik: Shadowed already decoded the whole file. |
| 14:28.34 | Shirik | Where is it! |
| 14:28.40 | clad|away | ask Shadowed |
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| 14:29.45 | Shirik | Shadowed!!! |
| 14:29.56 | clad|away | Shadowed: ??? |
| 14:30.11 | clad|away | I think that Shadowed is a Shadowed monkey. |
| 14:31.12 | Thrae | Making it only work for Horde...someone needs to make a new version of that addon. |
| 14:31.15 | nevcairiel | Thrae: even without the CPU it doesnt say anything, just starts the fans. I'm about to give up on the board :P |
| 14:31.45 | Thrae | nevcairiel: You have the speaker installed? |
| 14:31.49 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 14:31.56 | Thrae | Try reversing it just in case |
| 14:32.13 | Thrae | I don't think the board has a speaker. |
| 14:32.21 | Wobin_ | is that his code? |
| 14:32.41 | Wobin_ | mhodges' that is |
| 14:32.53 | Wobin_ | if so, can we stab him? |
| 14:33.03 | nevcairiel | i tried reversing it already |
| 14:33.07 | clad|away | no its not |
| 14:33.15 | Wobin_ | ack |
| 14:33.17 | Thrae | Wobin_: No, it's the infamous addon coded so only Horde members can use it to join AV as a group. |
| 14:33.18 | Wobin_ | Preform =P |
| 14:33.25 | Wobin_ | *stab* |
| 14:33.36 | clad|away | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/5418/ |
| 14:33.47 | Wobin_ | oh it's actually used properly |
| 14:33.49 | Wobin_ | instead of a typo |
| 14:33.50 | Wobin_ | nm |
| 14:34.08 | nevcairiel | i wonder how much a 939 board is these days |
| 14:34.19 | clad|away | Overall a great mod, Works well for me after a little tweaking. I'll give you a 5 out of 10 on total obfunctuation, took about 3-4 hrs of hacking to get it all formated, and alliance check code out. The only one that threw me for a bit was the interaction between the layout file and the "string o alliance check function" (with all the escape characters). I liked how you checked the string in several if statments to ensure |
| 14:34.29 | clad|away | To increase your obfunctuation I would replace more of your variables, if ALL of them were l1lIlI1Ill it would be a bit harder. Or even better if you reused strings :D |
| 14:34.33 | clad|away | Anyways, nice mod, I appreciate the hard work you put in on it, however I think you should stop QQ'ing a bit. Horde win every other battleground, so just deal with it, its not like you don't get a lot of honor from losing anyways. |
| 14:34.35 | clad|away | lol |
| 14:34.43 | Shirik | Yeah I absolutely LOVED that string |
| 14:34.57 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Hmmm that's a pickle. Do you have any other speakers you could try hooking up? |
| 14:35.11 | nevcairiel | the speaker works |
| 14:35.13 | Shirik | lua> "\105\102\32\40\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41\61\61\34\65\108\108\105\97\110\99\101\34\41\32\116\104\101\110\32\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\101\110\100" |
| 14:35.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: if (UnitFactionGroup("player")=="Alliance") then return end |
| 14:35.15 | Shirik | Best line ever. |
| 14:35.33 | Polarina | Shirik: Was it that simple? |
| 14:36.03 | Shirik | Well I haven't finished but I'm stopping considering someone else got it odne |
| 14:36.05 | mikma | Shirik: obviously you are "decoding" the mass av joiner for horde |
| 14:36.09 | Shirik | But it is pretty trivial |
| 14:36.19 | Polarina | Shirik: :) |
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| 14:37.02 | Thrae | Shirik: What's wrong with StinkyQueue or LightQueue? I see people mentioning them. |
| 14:37.19 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:37.26 | Fisker- | OMG TYREALS WINGS ON BLIZZCAST OMG DIABLO 3 |
| 14:37.33 | Shirik | Thrae: No idea |
| 14:37.37 | Shirik | it was just a challenge I took up |
| 14:37.41 | Fisker- | so Shirik |
| 14:37.46 | mikma | Fisker-: wha? |
| 14:37.51 | Fisker- | no namecalling, postdeletion or banning this time? |
| 14:38.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:38.05 | Fisker- | with uicentral |
| 14:38.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:38.17 | Fisker- | http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcast/ <-zomg it has wings |
| 14:38.20 | Fisker- | tyreal's wings |
| 14:38.22 | Fisker- | i.e. diablo 3 |
| 14:38.34 | Shirik | Actually there have been quite a few deletions |
| 14:38.38 | Fisker- | i hate podcast more than i hate ipods |
| 14:38.52 | Shirik | Though I don't think any of mine have been |
| 14:39.05 | mikma | Fisker-: what's your wowaddon site again? |
| 14:39.12 | Fisker- | i don't have any |
| 14:39.21 | mikma | argh sorry Fin |
| 14:39.32 | Fisker- | it's odd how they keep being in the fansite program |
| 14:39.33 | mikma | Fin: what's your wowaddon site again? |
| 14:39.46 | mikma | one tab missing and fi turned into fister :( |
| 14:39.49 | Fisker- | i'd hope blizzard would have some balls by now and cut them from it |
| 14:39.52 | Fisker- | fister? :o |
| 14:40.04 | Thrae | Fisker-'s addon site is http://www.4chan.org/ |
| 14:40.10 | Fisker- | lol |
| 14:40.15 | mikma | oléé! |
| 14:40.19 | Fisker- | i just got spam |
| 14:40.23 | Thrae | ~fisker- |
| 14:40.27 | Fisker- | but this spam actually came from my own address |
| 14:40.28 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:40.41 | Thrae | ~emulate fisker- |
| 14:40.42 | purl | i guess emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to ... |
| 14:41.52 | Polarina | Stupid cables! |
| 14:42.13 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:42.15 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Well, I could sell you my A8N-SLI Deluxe. It worked fine for 2 years ;) |
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| 14:42.27 | Fisker- | was it ever found out that uicentral actually had that last keylogger for over a month? |
| 14:42.43 | nevcairiel | Thrae: so did mine, guess it didnt like the feeling of being replaced by a C2D :P |
| 14:43.03 | Thrae | nevcairiel: No, I mean mine still works. I just replaced it and I'm selling it. |
| 14:43.18 | Fisker- | btw rawr shi |
| 14:43.21 | Fisker- | damn you |
| 14:44.03 | Thrae | nevcairiel: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/wow/my_system.txt <-- my new system |
| 14:44.37 | nevcairiel | You have too much money |
| 14:44.39 | Beladona | do you have details on the tweaks? |
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| 14:44.46 | Beladona | I am interested |
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| 14:45.18 | Beladona | thats almost the same as mine, except I only use one vid card |
| 14:46.04 | Thrae | nevcairiel: I didn't build it from scratch, I've been saving up and upgrading a little at a time. |
| 14:46.11 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:46.28 | Fisker- | 8800gt's are cheap as shit |
| 14:46.34 | Thrae | But I play WoW at 2560x1600 w/ max settings no problem. |
| 14:46.44 | cncfanatics | WT Thrae |
| 14:46.53 | Fisker- | hax |
| 14:47.04 | Fisker- | i got a GTS but still have like 20-30fps in shattrath |
| 14:47.10 | Fisker- | (the new gts btw) |
| 14:47.12 | Polarina | Fisker-: Not if you don't have a PCI-E port (Need a new motherboard) |
| 14:47.23 | Thrae | http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/wow/ has screenshots, if you want to see what WoW looks like at that resolution. |
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| 14:47.27 | Fisker- | still cheaper than it would be |
| 14:47.34 | nevcairiel | I play at 1680x1050 at maxxed setting (native res for my screen), its fine for me |
| 14:48.12 | Polarina | Thrae: It looks terrible with the JPG format. |
| 14:49.06 | Thrae | Beladona: The space reduction is from vLite (unfortunately, I've been having problems installing SP1 because of that), the rest are service tweaks and some various smaller tweaks from a program called Vista Manager. |
| 14:49.41 | Thrae | Beladona: http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/servicecfg.htm <-- you can really reduce CPU and memory usage by disabling services you don't need |
| 14:50.04 | Thrae | Polarina: The last few screenshots are TARGA quality JPEGs |
| 14:51.16 | cncfanatics | windows is as silly as always sigh |
| 14:51.25 | cncfanatics | install this, install that, install more stuff I don't need please |
| 14:51.47 | Thrae | cncfanatics: You can't blame them for catering to 99% of the computer-using population. |
| 14:52.15 | cncfanatics | ~dict catering |
| 14:52.43 | cncfanatics | thats why I like linux |
| 14:52.48 | cncfanatics | start out with an empty system |
| 14:52.52 | cncfanatics | and install exactly what u need |
| 14:53.03 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Just like I do. :) |
| 14:53.11 | Beladona | thanks Thrae. I assume the space thing was vLite, but I wasn't sure about the tweaks. I will try some of that out |
| 14:53.17 | nevcairiel | wts my 7900gtx, anyone interested? :P |
| 14:53.26 | mikma | 10g |
| 14:53.29 | Beladona | 8800 is well worth the money btw |
| 14:53.34 | Beladona | even with only one |
| 14:53.51 | Beladona | its probably close to the performance of 7900 in SLX |
| 14:53.54 | Beladona | in one 8800 |
| 14:54.04 | Thrae | Especially OC'd |
| 14:54.12 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:54.37 | Thrae | I mean, SLI doesn't allow the boards to share memory, just GPUs |
| 14:54.40 | Beladona | are you running SP1? |
| 14:54.41 | Polarina | Thrae: Where do I get them overclocked? Some special store or are they available in normal computer stores too? |
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| 14:54.57 | Fisker- | wuts your fps in shattrath and in raids Thrae? |
| 14:55.12 | Thrae | Polarina: eVGA, some stores may carry them |
| 14:55.13 | Fisker- | in a fight like al'ar i'm running around with a pretty low fps |
| 14:55.21 | Fisker- | and that's only 1280x1024 |
| 14:55.23 | Polarina | Thrae: Ok. |
| 14:55.57 | Polarina | Thrae: In Shattrath City at max settings (1280x1024 - No multisampling) I have around 1.5 FPS. |
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| 14:56.53 | cncfanatics | wth ? |
| 14:56.56 | cncfanatics | 1600x1200 here |
| 14:56.58 | cncfanatics | and I got 5 fps |
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| 14:57.19 | Polarina | cncfanatics: What card do you use? |
| 14:57.21 | Thrae | Fisker-: Honestly, I haven't done any PvE raids yet -- I have yet to do a BG too. In Shattrath City, it's between 20-100 FPS. The FPS drop is when there are a LOT of players on the screen (and I do mean a lot). I once got only 15 FPS when someone had the pet bug where like 200 pets appear instead 1. |
| 14:57.27 | cncfanatics | Polarina: an old radeon 9600 pro |
| 14:57.34 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Nvidia GeForce 6200 |
| 14:57.57 | Thrae | Fisker-: Still, no lag from video or network. |
| 14:58.05 | cncfanatics | Polarina: how old is that ? |
| 14:58.35 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Three and a half year at least. |
| 14:58.58 | Thrae | The only problem I have with my settings on WoW is that the WoW graphics engine is so old now, that I could probably turn down some of the "heftier" settings and not notice much of a difference |
| 14:59.25 | Fisker- | hmm Thrae |
| 15:00.17 | Fisker- | i'll guess i won't drop much in frames regardless of my resolution then |
| 15:00.37 | Fisker- | just that it seems like people are bragging about 60-100fps on raids and stuff |
| 15:00.39 | cncfanatics | Polarina, same as mine |
| 15:00.39 | cncfanatics | OS ? |
| 15:00.40 | Fisker- | which annoys the heck out of me |
| 15:00.42 | Thrae | Beladona: Here's another trick -- make a batch file that includes "start /high WoW.exe", and make your shortcut point to the batch file. That will start WoW in High priority, which is usually what you want when playing the game. |
| 15:00.52 | Fisker- | i thought it was because i was using dual core or 64-bit windows |
| 15:01.05 | Beladona | http://wdnaddons.com/files/images/comp1.jpg |
| 15:01.17 | Fisker- | it's also annoying they haven't fixed the login screen issue |
| 15:01.17 | Thrae | Fisker-: Even with my old setup, I rarely got below 20 FPS in AV, etc. |
| 15:01.28 | Fisker- | i don't really get low fps in av either |
| 15:01.54 | Thrae | Well, I mean the rare time everyone is actually together and not AFK in the cave |
| 15:01.57 | foxlit | mm, samsung! |
| 15:02.07 | Beladona | samsung is my fav brand monitor |
| 15:02.50 | Thrae | Yeah, my Gateway XHD3000 uses a Samsung panel |
| 15:02.50 | Shirik | I have never had any problems with my samsung |
| 15:03.00 | Thrae | Replaced my old Samsung 242MP |
| 15:03.05 | Fisker- | they should almost make a new dev team to improve the engine and remake the original wow content for the next expansion |
| 15:03.06 | Fisker- | :P |
| 15:03.06 | foxlit | I've never had any problems with a monitor |
| 15:03.09 | Beladona | they have the best return policy too |
| 15:03.16 | Beladona | but I have never had to use it |
| 15:03.52 | Thrae | Beladona: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/wow/need_more_monitors.jpg |
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| 15:03.59 | Beladona | yeah I saw that one |
| 15:04.02 | Beladona | thats why I posted mine |
| 15:04.04 | Beladona | hehe |
| 15:04.18 | Thrae | Doesn't show my laptop, which I'm talking on right now from my bed. |
| 15:04.28 | Beladona | what you can't see is on the far left of that room my wife has a desk with a laptop too |
| 15:04.44 | Fisker- | oh lawd |
| 15:04.45 | Thrae | It's the intangible things that count. |
| 15:04.47 | Fisker- | is that sum linux? |
| 15:05.02 | Beladona | I run linux on my far left monitor and that little shitbox |
| 15:05.28 | Fisker- | don't mind me |
| 15:05.32 | Fisker- | i'm just "oh lawding" |
| 15:05.46 | Thrae | My HTTP server you're all connecting to runs Ubuntu, my router runs Debian, and I use Ubuntu in a VM on my main desktop |
| 15:06.09 | Fisker- | oh lwad ubuntu? |
| 15:06.12 | Fisker- | lawd* |
| 15:06.16 | Beladona | I have had people at our house just stand in the doorway to our office with their mouths agape. most people haven't seen taht many monitors, and they think each one goes to a separate computer |
| 15:06.27 | Beladona | makes me giggle |
| 15:06.38 | Thrae | Heh, in my case, all 4 monitors go to the same computer |
| 15:06.41 | JoshBork1 | link again bela? |
| 15:06.53 | Fisker- | http://developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/test.php |
| 15:06.53 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:06.55 | Beladona | http://wdnaddons.com/files/images/comp1.jpg |
| 15:07.07 | Beladona | it isn't that special for you guys. Most of you probably see setups like that every day |
| 15:07.16 | Beladona | typical nerd room |
| 15:07.19 | JoshBork1 | hey, i've seen that laptop before |
| 15:07.35 | JoshBork1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.40 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:07.44 | Beladona | inspiron 9300 |
| 15:07.47 | Beladona | use it at work too |
| 15:07.52 | Thrae | Dude, he's got a Dell. |
| 15:07.59 | Beladona | thats running vista x32 |
| 15:08.05 | Fisker- | due |
| 15:08.07 | Beladona | my main desktop is vista x64 |
| 15:08.07 | Fisker- | dude |
| 15:08.09 | Fisker- | you're fucked |
| 15:08.12 | Fisker- | ITS A DELL |
| 15:08.26 | foxlit | Looks like a cheap knockoff of the white macbook |
| 15:08.35 | Beladona | consumer dell and business dell are two different animals |
| 15:08.45 | Beladona | business dell is better than any company you will deal with |
| 15:08.58 | foxlit | But then again, most PC notebooks look absolute hideous |
| 15:09.14 | Thrae | Everyone badmouths Dell, but I fine them the best overall laptop. If you want to get a good, solid laptop you'll probably want a Thinkpad, but those are more for workstations. |
| 15:09.45 | Polarina | Thrae: Or assemble one yourself. :P |
| 15:10.16 | Shirik | whoooo! |
| 15:10.18 | Shirik | I killed Beladona! |
| 15:10.20 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 15:10.22 | Thrae | Polarina: Make your own laptop? I'm not rich, nor do I have the time. |
| 15:11.06 | Thrae | As long as you're not set on buying a "gaming laptop", you can get laptops far, far cheaper then you could build them yourself. |
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| 15:11.17 | Shirik | <3 Beladona |
| 15:11.28 | Thrae | Building your own laptop, now that's a challenge for system builders. |
| 15:11.35 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 15:11.46 | Shirik | wb :P |
| 15:11.51 | Thrae | 10:16 <@Shirik> I killed Beladona! <-- blame him |
| 15:12.03 | Shirik | I assumed that whatever you were trying to copy to me was what caused the flood :P |
| 15:12.16 | Beladona | I pasted the content of a pm to him, and it dcd me for flooding I think |
| 15:12.21 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:12.31 | Thrae | Beladona: Use more irssi |
| 15:12.32 | Shirik | Didn't get the pm though =( |
| 15:12.40 | Beladona | its ok, check staff forums |
| 15:12.43 | Beladona | posting it there |
| 15:12.50 | Fisker- | bah Thrae |
| 15:13.00 | Fisker- | just need the right parts and an instruction booklet :P |
| 15:13.02 | Thrae | screen + irssi == the win! |
| 15:13.10 | Fisker- | Took apart 3 laptops |
| 15:13.13 | Shirik | nah |
| 15:13.18 | Shirik | nbs-irc = win |
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| 15:13.41 | Thrae | Fisker-: Erm, custom built laptops? |
| 15:14.06 | Thrae | Rebuilding a proprietary laptop is one thing, building a custom laptop is another |
| 15:14.40 | Shirik | I still have fears of taking apart HP laptops |
| 15:14.51 | Shirik | So much pain they put me through |
| 15:15.29 | cncfanatics | you can build custom laptops these days ? |
| 15:15.39 | Thrae | I used to work indirectly for Dell, IBM, Sony, etc. as a field technician, and I know their laptops intimately. Now I'm working QA on laptops for a video chipset developer. |
| 15:16.06 | Shirik | cncfanatics: It really depends on your definition of "laptop" |
| 15:16.11 | Shirik | to my knowledge there is no standard form factor |
| 15:16.21 | Thrae | cncfanatics: You can build a custom anything, it just requires the right materials. |
| 15:16.52 | Fisker- | ah of course Thrae |
| 15:17.00 | foxlit | build me a custom wmd, go! |
| 15:17.32 | Thrae | I could probably build a custom laptop if I wanted to -- there are non-proprietary mobile chipset boards. |
| 15:18.09 | Thrae | The PSU would be the hellish part, of course. |
| 15:18.23 | Fisker- | make your own |
| 15:18.45 | Shirik | PSU isn't that hard :P |
| 15:18.47 | cncfanatics | I'd be very intrested in that |
| 15:18.53 | Shirik | For a laptop the transformer is in the adapter anyway |
| 15:18.54 | cncfanatics | and in how much it'd cost :p |
| 15:19.05 | Thrae | But seriously, just get a Eee PC if you want a cheap laptop. |
| 15:19.05 | Shirik | You'd just need a MOSFET and a little intelligence |
| 15:19.07 | cncfanatics | planning to get a laptop soon |
| 15:19.19 | Fisker- | why that? |
| 15:19.20 | Thrae | It runs Linux. |
| 15:19.23 | Fisker- | ee pc isn't cheap :io |
| 15:19.24 | Fisker- | :o |
| 15:19.32 | Fisker- | atleast not here |
| 15:19.44 | Thrae | Starts at ~$300 for 7" |
| 15:19.48 | Fisker- | of course your alternatives won't be nearly as small |
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| 15:20.13 | Fisker- | here it starts at ~500$ |
| 15:21.05 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Shirik -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | Happy Birthday Cairenn!! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14513 |
| 15:21.07 | Thrae | That's because you invert the usage of the dollar sign. |
| 15:21.30 | Beladona | YAY! |
| 15:21.38 | Fisker- | fuck you Thrae :P |
| 15:21.42 | Fisker- | it's this way here |
| 15:21.49 | Fisker- | :O Cairenn|afk |
| 15:22.01 | Thrae | Cairenn|afk: Happy birthday! It's my little cousin's birthday too. |
| 15:22.39 | Fisker- | but you can 1,86GHz Celeron, 1GB DDR2, 80GB SATA for a little over $500 |
| 15:23.21 | Thrae | The dollar sign is trademark circa 1712 by the USA. Usae thereof requires a tax to be paid to the US, hence inflating price. |
| 15:23.29 | Thrae | s/Usae/Usage/ |
| 15:23.43 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 15:23.57 | Shirik | wtf trademark? |
| 15:24.10 | foxlit | wtf expired, wtf canada! |
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| 15:24.45 | Thrae | WTF no USA in 1712? |
| 15:25.50 | Fisker- | what was it called when the brits still had it btw? |
| 15:26.15 | Thrae | Fisker-: Colonies of England |
| 15:26.25 | Fisker- | no cool name? |
| 15:26.25 | Thrae | IE, part of England |
| 15:26.44 | Thrae | The American Colonies of England? |
| 15:27.10 | Fisker- | The united states of england |
| 15:27.11 | Fisker- | yarr |
| 15:27.26 | Thrae | You need states for there to be a United States. |
| 15:27.39 | Shirik | aye, they weren't states |
| 15:27.48 | Shirik | and at the time, a "state" was a country (and in some places still is) |
| 15:28.04 | Thrae | We're the United States of America because we're a collection of states under a constitutional republic (which is different then a democracy). |
| 15:28.06 | Fisker- | your mothers |
| 15:28.09 | Fisker- | stop pwning me |
| 15:28.25 | Shirik | yet everyone thinks we're a democracy |
| 15:28.42 | Fisker- | i knew that though :P |
| 15:28.57 | Thrae | How dare you lack knowledge in the USA...I thought we bombed your country to GET our history in your schools! |
| 15:29.15 | foxlit | I'm afraid we shot down those planes |
| 15:29.36 | cncfanatics | everyone shoots down the americans tbh |
| 15:29.43 | cncfanatics | they're world's prime target :) |
| 15:30.08 | foxlit | That'd be israelis, tbh |
| 15:30.54 | Thrae | foxlit: There's a hell of a lot more where that came from! Who needs a massive improvement on the education budget when you can build 3 more planes! |
| 15:30.54 | foxlit | Yeah, but it's a question of daring :) |
| 15:31.10 | Thrae | If I have learned anything from BF1942, it's that anti-air ammo is infinite. |
| 15:32.09 | Beladona | anyone want to help me figure out how to get vs8 on vista 64bit so I can compile a program that refuses to update for vs9? |
| 15:32.40 | Thrae | Visual Basic Script? |
| 15:32.46 | Beladona | c++ |
| 15:32.49 | foxlit | visual studio, more likely |
| 15:32.52 | Thrae | Ah |
| 15:33.11 | Thrae | Beladona: Try compatibility modes? |
| 15:33.29 | Thrae | And turn off UAC and see if that helps. |
| 15:33.35 | Beladona | its not that |
| 15:34.01 | Thrae | Heh, you could always run XP in a VM like I do. |
| 15:35.19 | cncfanatics | running windows sucks tbh |
| 15:35.41 | Thrae | Inspiring game developers need it, unfortunately. |
| 15:35.58 | foxlit | OpenGL and apple? |
| 15:36.00 | Beladona | Notepad++ allows you to create lexer plugins, so I was going to release one for wow specific lua code, but to do it I need to compile notepad++ first, before I can compile the plugin. The plugin converts to 9 just fine, but notepad++ is being an ass |
| 15:36.28 | Thrae | foxlit: If you don't mind being paid in wet naps, sure :D |
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| 15:37.10 | cncfanatics | Thrae, wine ftw ? |
| 15:37.16 | foxlit | Meh |
| 15:37.16 | cncfanatics | most DECENTLY written d3d games work fine in it |
| 15:37.17 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | foxlit | Write for the PS3 |
| 15:37.21 | foxlit | There. |
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| 15:39.12 | Thrae | foxlit: I like Windows better then the PS3. Horrible SDK, horrible platform overall. They'd get an edge over Windows if they didn't force Blu-ray on people. |
| 15:39.22 | foxlit | I hear Blu-ray won |
| 15:39.54 | Thrae | Yeah, even though HD-DVD is better overall. |
| 15:40.01 | Beladona | they haven't won yet |
| 15:40.12 | Beladona | they are just managing to sell it to movie studios |
| 15:40.23 | Beladona | which are going exclusive blue-ray |
| 15:40.27 | Beladona | WB was a big one |
| 15:40.36 | Beladona | I am hoping it doesn't last, because HD is better |
| 15:40.50 | foxlit | Expand on "better" :) |
| 15:41.00 | Beladona | better for me |
| 15:41.03 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:41.11 | foxlit | "one I like best"? |
| 15:41.14 | Beladona | I like the fact that they can be dual format for one |
| 15:41.23 | zenzelezz | history has shown that "better" doesn't mean you will win in the 21st century |
| 15:41.32 | Beladona | exactly |
| 15:42.12 | foxlit | I don't think that's exclusive to any century in particular |
| 15:42.26 | Beladona | sorry foxlit: I assumed all statements made by me could be assumed to be opinion, unless otherwise specificed |
| 15:43.00 | foxlit | Not a problem, just wanted to hear if there was some actual basis behind it :) |
| 15:43.04 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I've only lived the last 24 years, so I try not to speak too much of things that precede me |
| 15:43.21 | Beladona | actually for a while there HD-DVD was showing ebtter numbers |
| 15:43.30 | foxlit | But not afraid for speaking of things that are 93 years ahead? |
| 15:43.33 | Beladona | espeically with the sales they did prior to christmas |
| 15:43.42 | Beladona | but then some movie studios went turncoat |
| 15:43.57 | Beladona | and committed to "only releasing on blue-ray" |
| 15:44.05 | foxlit | "By January 2007, Blu-ray discs had outsold HD DVDs,[45] and during the first three quarters of 2007, BD outsold HD DVDs by about two to one.[46]" |
| 15:44.25 | Beladona | cited from where? |
| 15:44.28 | foxlit | That's prior to the studio switching formats |
| 15:44.40 | Beladona | everything I read said the opposite, so maybe both are based on partial information |
| 15:44.45 | foxlit | wiki, bunch of website references |
| 15:44.48 | Beladona | hmm |
| 15:44.54 | foxlit | Doesn't look very official or anything |
| 15:45.07 | Beladona | depends on who says it probably |
| 15:45.36 | foxlit | The Wall Street Journal: " Blu-ray discs are outselling HD DVDs by about 2-to-1 this year." |
| 15:46.26 | Beladona | good luck with that one |
| 15:46.43 | Beladona | a google search spawns debates stating similar for both sides |
| 15:47.03 | Beladona | I haven't bought a player yet because of it |
| 15:47.22 | foxlit | But anyway, discs for consoles haven't had a long history of being standardized; I don't really see a problem with sony pushing for BD on PS3. |
| 15:47.40 | Beladona | this is why xbox360 was smart to include HD-DVD as an external player |
| 15:47.47 | Beladona | if blue-ray wins, they can just make a player for that |
| 15:47.51 | Beladona | err, blu-ray |
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| 15:48.47 | Thrae | The only reason Microsoft is backing HD-DVD is because Blu-ray uses Java for its menus. |
| 15:48.53 | foxlit | Comparing the cost of a HD-DVD-less 360 and a PS3, though, yields a smaller difference than the cost of the disc player |
| 15:49.16 | foxlit | So I guess someone somewhere is paying for it |
| 15:50.00 | |pez| | For me, ut seems HD is more widespread. |
| 15:50.02 | Beladona | I went xbx360 |
| 15:50.04 | Thrae | foxlit: The external HD-DVD player for the XBOX is also PC-compatible. The PS3 is made well below cost for Sony. |
| 15:50.09 | Beladona | after being a ps1 and ps2 fan for years |
| 15:50.35 | foxlit | s/for/by ? |
| 15:50.43 | Beladona | HD-DVd is cheaper |
| 15:50.46 | Beladona | atm |
| 15:50.50 | Beladona | that could change |
| 15:50.57 | |pez| | I have a Wii, which is neither HD or Blu-Ray |
| 15:50.59 | |pez| | go me! |
| 15:51.06 | Beladona | people usually go with cheaper, unless they aren't given a choice |
| 15:51.13 | Thrae | foxlit: Technically both are correct in that sentence, for the purposes of dialog. |
| 15:51.31 | Thrae | I'm waiting until the Wiis get cheaper, then I'm getting one. |
| 15:51.36 | foxlit | The question is then "does sony make profits off the console"? |
| 15:51.43 | foxlit | question mark inside quote |
| 15:52.00 | Beladona | I don't think they do |
| 15:52.04 | Thrae | foxlit: No, they lose far more per console then they did with the PS2 |
| 15:52.11 | Beladona | especially since they were forced to drop the price again |
| 15:52.27 | Thrae | That's a common thing with console manufacturers. |
| 15:52.29 | |pez| | they don't mind selling the consoles for less, as long as they got the games that people will buy. |
| 15:53.03 | Thrae | I think the Wii DOES make a profit for Nintendo, especially at its current price. |
| 15:53.11 | foxlit | (BD drives are majorly cheaper here) |
| 15:53.23 | foxlit | Which is odd |
| 15:53.28 | Thrae | The Xbox360 is sold at cost or below. |
| 15:53.44 | |pez| | Thrae: just might be. I think the Wii has cheaper components in it. |
| 15:53.59 | foxlit | Wii, for me, has a games problem |
| 15:54.24 | Thrae | foxlit: It all depends on what type of game you like. |
| 15:54.24 | Beladona | well technically the wii is the same engine as the gamecube, just optimized and better components |
| 15:55.03 | |pez| | I have three games for the Wii, Zelda, Mario Galaxy, and Wii Sports ;P |
| 15:55.07 | |pez| | I still love the console to bits. |
| 15:55.11 | Beladona | the controller is what would sell me |
| 15:55.22 | |pez| | and I buy the VC games, cause I'm a retro kind of girl. |
| 15:55.27 | Beladona | you can get a lot of exercise on that thing, which is kinda cool |
| 15:55.29 | Shirik | I literally have played bowling for hours |
| 15:55.35 | Shirik | to the point where the next day my arm was sore |
| 15:55.40 | foxlit | Why not play actual bowling? :) |
| 15:55.41 | Thrae | The PS3 and Xbox360 especially doesn't even have proper backwards compatibility, while the Wii has full compatibility with the Gamecube, and has N64, SNES, NES, Gameboy, etc. games available via its Wii Store (which uses legal ROMs). |
| 15:55.44 | Shirik | foxlit: I do |
| 15:55.53 | Shirik | But not when I'm on vacation and don't know where an alley is :P |
| 15:56.10 | Thrae | If you count Wii Store, the Wii has hundreds of thousands of titles available. |
| 15:56.12 | foxlit | (PS3 plays PS1 games, selected PS2 games) |
| 15:56.15 | Beladona | plus, you buy a game once and get unlimited show rentals... |
| 15:56.20 | Beladona | shoe* |
| 15:56.20 | foxlit | (heck, PSP plays PS1 games) |
| 15:56.33 | Thrae | foxlit: Not all PS3s, some of them are made without proper PS1 support even |
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| 15:56.59 | foxlit | You'd think they'd be able to emulate PS1 entirely in software. |
| 15:57.02 | |pez| | While xbox and PS3 has different versions, Nintendo just went with the release of one Wii console XD |
| 15:57.50 | Beladona | you know whats funny |
| 15:57.51 | Thrae | Nintendo is kicking Sony & Microsoft's collective asses in sales, despite the Wii's "inferiority" |
| 15:57.59 | Beladona | I jsut found an analysis done by netflix |
| 15:58.28 | Beladona | blue-ray has twice the people looking at blue-ray content on their website |
| 15:58.30 | Beladona | yet |
| 15:58.50 | Fisker- | wii is a piece of shit |
| 15:58.50 | Beladona | HD-DVD has twice the members actually renting |
| 15:58.53 | Fisker- | and so is your mother |
| 15:58.54 | Fisker- | LOLOL |
| 15:59.03 | Thrae | Sony is still well within the red for their PS3 department |
| 15:59.13 | Beladona | probably because of the combo-format |
| 15:59.14 | art3mis | hd-dvd had a big upset yesterday too |
| 15:59.15 | |pez| | my mom is probably actually a pile of dirt and bones now. |
| 16:00.23 | art3mis | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/12/sony-cuts-playstation-3-production-cost-in-half/ <--sexy |
| 16:00.29 | |pez| | I effectively almost killed chat. |
| 16:00.55 | Thrae | |pez|: I'm used to that sort of sentence on IRC, no effect here |
| 16:01.03 | |pez| | okkehokkeh |
| 16:01.06 | |pez| | goodgood |
| 16:01.08 | foxlit | "Nintendo is kicking Sony & Microsoft's collective asses in sales, despite the Wii's "inferiority"" |
| 16:01.23 | |pez| | I just say stuff like that when people do "mom jokes" :P |
| 16:01.23 | Fisker- | anyways while the wii might be the biggest seller |
| 16:01.28 | Beladona | no dspute there |
| 16:01.34 | art3mis | universal was the subject of rumors it was ditching hd-dvd |
| 16:01.43 | Fisker- | i think the PS3 and Xbox is easily beating the wii in terms of usage |
| 16:01.43 | foxlit | 17.7m to retailers for xbox360 13.17m shipped (?) for the Wii |
| 16:01.58 | art3mis | less than an hour after the post http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080111-universal-paramount-deny-move-to-blu-ray-imminent.html |
| 16:02.02 | Shirik | is there a zelda for wii yet? |
| 16:02.08 | Beladona | oh well. I guess I will end up having to buy a blue-ray player some day |
| 16:02.09 | Fisker- | yes |
| 16:02.10 | foxlit | Shirik: welcome to last last year? :) |
| 16:02.10 | Thrae | Fisker-: So you're thinking people who buy the Wii don't use it? |
| 16:02.17 | |pez| | foxlit: think about how much longer the xbox has been on the market. |
| 16:02.17 | Shirik | Hey I just got it! I like don't have any games >< |
| 16:02.18 | art3mis | fox yer forgetting that the 360 was out a while before the wii hit |
| 16:02.27 | Fisker- | Thrae not that they don't use it at all |
| 16:02.32 | |pez| | Shirik: Twilight Princess (Zelda) is awesome. |
| 16:02.32 | Beladona | that zelda was released for both gamecube and wii |
| 16:02.38 | Beladona | wasn't it? |
| 16:02.38 | art3mis | the wii tailors to family and friends games |
| 16:02.38 | foxlit | Thrae: no, just that they sold more xboxes for some reason |
| 16:02.39 | Fisker- | but i'm thinking it's using more shelfspace than the xbox or ps3 is |
| 16:02.41 | Shirik | I'll have to pick it up |
| 16:02.43 | |pez| | Beladona: correct |
| 16:02.54 | art3mis | xbox to single player fps(mainly) and other single player games |
| 16:03.04 | art3mis | ps3 to rpg style multiuplayer games |
| 16:03.10 | Fisker- | i hate families and friends :P |
| 16:03.23 | art3mis | fisker only because you have neither you test tube child |
| 16:03.23 | Thrae | Well if you're going to spend that amount of money on an Xbox360 or especially a PS3, hell yeah I could see more usage out of them |
| 16:03.33 | Beladona | xbox has done some fairly decent entries in rpg though |
| 16:03.38 | art3mis | the ps3 > 360 maily because of the built in blu-ray |
| 16:03.38 | Beladona | lately |
| 16:03.44 | Fisker- | :( art3mis :( |
| 16:03.47 | art3mis | 360 is nothing more than a reg dvd |
| 16:03.55 | Beladona | see thats the thing |
| 16:03.55 | Fisker- | bluray must fail |
| 16:03.58 | art3mis | and if you want the hd-dvd its another 200$ |
| 16:04.00 | Beladona | I don't want to play movies on my console |
| 16:04.12 | Beladona | would prefer not to wear it down |
| 16:04.12 | art3mis | Beladona: its not that you HAVE to |
| 16:04.16 | art3mis | it's that you can |
| 16:04.19 | Beladona | right |
| 16:04.25 | Beladona | you can on the 360 also |
| 16:04.28 | art3mis | it also means that you can have better quality games with more content |
| 16:04.32 | art3mis | no you cant |
| 16:04.37 | Beladona | yes... you can |
| 16:04.40 | art3mis | not without dishing out the extra cash |
| 16:04.43 | Beladona | HD-DVD |
| 16:04.46 | Beladona | so? |
| 16:04.49 | art3mis | for an extra 199 |
| 16:05.01 | Beladona | I see that as an OPTION, instead of FORCE |
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| 16:05.04 | art3mis | so you're gonna fork out 400for the console and then 200 for the player? |
| 16:05.04 | Fisker- | can't you sync the xbox with a media center pc? |
| 16:05.08 | Beladona | and its 150 here |
| 16:05.09 | Beladona | not 199 |
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| 16:05.22 | art3mis | as opposed to just getting a 399 ps3 that can already play bluray? |
| 16:05.22 | Beladona | and I paid 300 for theconsole |
| 16:05.25 | Beladona | not 400 |
| 16:05.31 | Beladona | so I would be paying 450 total? |
| 16:05.33 | Beladona | meh |
| 16:05.50 | art3mis | yes heaven forbid you get value added to a product |
| 16:06.07 | Beladona | I see it this way: a) you buy xbox360 for 300, and IF you want hd-dvd, another 160, but not a requirement |
| 16:06.08 | art3mis | if you dont want extras i something you're payign a shitload for you're an utter moron |
| 16:06.09 | Thrae | art3mis: Are you forgetting the XBOX360 has a DVD-ROM drive by default? You can play DVD movies on it. You're also not factoring in the cost of buying the HDMI or DVI + SPDIF cables for PS3 and XBOX360. |
| 16:06.19 | Beladona | b) you buy a ps3, and you con't get the choice of a version without blue-ray |
| 16:06.27 | Beladona | so you can't cut costs that way |
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| 16:06.40 | art3mis | no but if i spend another 150bucks on an hd-dvd i can play EVERYTHING |
| 16:06.45 | Beladona | and lets face it, retail player-only devices tend to eb cheaper anyway |
| 16:06.54 | art3mis | where as 360 would need to buy a dual player for even more money |
| 16:06.54 | Thrae | If you're trying to view Blu-ray even on 1080P component, you might as well be watching DVD |
| 16:06.57 | Fisker- | lolwut? |
| 16:06.58 | |pez| | I for one, want to be able to rent a damned game. Instead of having to use moneys on games I might not like. :P |
| 16:07.11 | Fisker- | There didn't even exist any hd-dvd drives when the xbox was released |
| 16:07.23 | foxlit | I, for one, protest to the practice of selling used games |
| 16:07.24 | art3mis | its an addon usb thingy fisker |
| 16:07.29 | Fisker- | yeah i know |
| 16:07.35 | Fisker- | so why do you complain about it not being there |
| 16:07.38 | Beladona | there is another thing you arne't seeing here |
| 16:07.46 | art3mis | |pez|: umm you need a tv ;) |
| 16:07.48 | |pez| | foxlit? |
| 16:07.48 | Fisker- | OMG WHY DOESN'T MY 1981 PC SUPPORT USB |
| 16:07.49 | Fisker- | WTF |
| 16:07.57 | art3mis | theres a netflix type place for game rental |
| 16:07.57 | |pez| | art3mis: what? |
| 16:07.59 | Beladona | $150 will get me an HD-DVD player for my xbox360 that also work on my pc |
| 16:08.01 | Thrae | |pez|: You can "rent" the games, you just need a burner ;) |
| 16:08.03 | art3mis | gamefly? |
| 16:08.04 | Beladona | .... |
| 16:08.12 | |pez| | art3mis: Yeah, but thats in the US. |
| 16:08.13 | foxlit | |pez|: gamestop does it nowadays, it's evil from the game producers' point of view. |
| 16:08.16 | art3mis | oh |
| 16:08.16 | |pez| | <- Norway. |
| 16:08.22 | foxlit | EB? |
| 16:08.42 | |pez| | Norway has a "no game renting" thing it seems. |
| 16:08.45 | foxlit | Fisker-: it does! |
| 16:08.54 | Beladona | I was considering gamefly |
| 16:08.57 | Beladona | I rent games a LOT |
| 16:09.07 | |pez| | I would be considering gamefly, if I was USian ;P |
| 16:09.09 | Fisker- | yeah i can get usb-support enabled if i buy this usb-hub that requires a usb connection |
| 16:09.10 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:09.11 | Beladona | and its annoying not finding games at blockbuster you WANT |
| 16:09.18 | foxlit | You can't return digital media that has been opened here |
| 16:09.30 | Fisker- | i believe you can |
| 16:09.35 | Fisker- | stores just don't like it |
| 16:09.43 | Fisker- | they're hoping you just drop the subject and buy a new copy |
| 16:09.47 | foxlit | If there's a physical defect, though |
| 16:09.59 | foxlit | I've seen the "no returning of opened stuff" notices :P |
| 16:10.00 | |pez| | you can if it does not work for some reason. |
| 16:10.20 | foxlit | (Incidentally, I won the bad disk lottery with Fable:TLC) |
| 16:10.22 | |pez| | foxlit: I think that's mostly because of "I didn't like this game, let's return it" kind of thngs. |
| 16:10.30 | Fisker- | well foxlit there's still 14 days return on any items bought over the net |
| 16:10.32 | art3mis | thrae: i have a 42" bravia hdtv why wouldnt i have those plugs already ;P |
| 16:10.42 | Fisker- | but they still have the "no return after seal is broken" |
| 16:10.57 | Fisker- | but i doubt it'll hold up in court |
| 16:11.07 | foxlit | Oh, sure, you can return the _unopened_ box, or the opened box if there's an actual problem |
| 16:11.20 | art3mis | shrinkwrap machine ;P |
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| 16:12.15 | Fisker- | the 14-day return is valid regardless of it's state when buying over the internet |
| 16:12.28 | |pez| | There's one online thing in Norway, called g-vip.com (why they have a .com domain beats me... but ok) that has sort of worked around the whole "no game renting" thing. |
| 16:13.37 | art3mis | they loan it to you and you're merely paying for club membership? |
| 16:13.43 | Fisker- | .com = commercial |
| 16:13.46 | |pez| | but they are kinda expensive, and their site sucks. And they also have a limited amount of members they accept at one time. |
| 16:13.53 | |pez| | art3mis: yeah |
| 16:14.08 | art3mis | yeah lots of places i canada do that for liquor licences and such too |
| 16:14.33 | art3mis | if you make it a private club with a "membership" you can control it better and arent liable for a lot of the laws that open pubs are |
| 16:15.19 | art3mis | its sneaky but legal ;P |
| 16:15.36 | |pez| | Fisker-: Well, yes, but norwegian companies uuuuusually have .no domains (no is reserved for norwegian companies with a organization number and whatnot) |
| 16:15.59 | |pez| | art3mis: yeah, I've been wanting to do something of the same, but I have no funds to start off with. ;P |
| 16:19.11 | Shirik | !! |
| 16:20.29 | foxlit | Quick, nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure! |
| 16:20.36 | Fisker- | anyone know any usb sticks that have a write-protect switch? |
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| 16:20.45 | foxlit | It'll either work, or we'll get super-powered mutant troll babies :/ |
| 16:21.27 | Fisker- | oh u haste |
| 16:21.32 | haste | wat |
| 16:21.36 | Fisker- | you playing sum priest? |
| 16:21.44 | haste | yy |
| 16:21.48 | haste | but my WoW doesn't like me atm |
| 16:21.57 | Fisker- | i want to destroy you |
| 16:22.03 | haste | >:( |
| 16:22.04 | Fisker- | where you at? |
| 16:22.10 | haste | EPL I think |
| 16:22.18 | haste | my WoW kinda enjoys locking my system atm |
| 16:22.21 | haste | so I don't play D: |
| 16:22.28 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:22.37 | Fisker- | then give me your accountname and password so i can gank you |
| 16:24.04 | Fisker- | btw |
| 16:24.26 | Fisker- | someone claimed that disabling Nagle's was causing increased latency |
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| 16:25.59 | nevcairiel | thats false information |
| 16:26.07 | nevcairiel | except your bandwith is extremly limited |
| 16:26.09 | nevcairiel | like dialup |
| 16:26.18 | Fisker- | WTF |
| 16:26.22 | Fisker- | what is happening |
| 16:26.40 | Fisker- | this group of horde went straight past lumbermill |
| 16:26.45 | Fisker- | and noone tagged it |
| 16:27.39 | Fisker- | lol |
| 16:27.46 | Fisker- | now they all died at stables and alliance took lumbermill |
| 16:27.55 | Shirik | lulz |
| 16:28.31 | |pez| | .. interesting. |
| 16:30.41 | |pez| | I like this skirt.. http://www.findcoolclothes.com/03588.html |
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| 16:32.08 | Fisker- | wut |
| 16:32.10 | Fisker- | we got 4 bases |
| 16:32.28 | |pez| | I also like this thing, but it's require me to wear high heels. My feet do not like that. http://www.lip-service.com/style.php?style=46-461 |
| 16:32.46 | mikma | now i hope you are woman |
| 16:32.55 | mikma | otherwise it would be scarey |
| 16:32.58 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 16:33.03 | |pez| | Boobs! I has them >__> |
| 16:33.07 | nevcairiel | mikma you should be used to that kind of scary |
| 16:33.23 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 16:33.28 | Fisker- | why are everyone always focusing on the ogres? |
| 16:33.31 | mikma | nevcairiel: even if it surprises you, i'm not |
| 16:34.40 | mikma | http://www.findcoolclothes.com/02346.html |
| 16:34.42 | mikma | woof woof |
| 16:35.09 | |pez| | I want a collar, but not one with massive spikes like that XD |
| 16:37.15 | Fisker- | ffs |
| 16:37.16 | mikma | http://www.findcoolclothes.com/01889.html well there you go then |
| 16:37.23 | Fisker- | had divine intervention on my trinket spot |
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| 16:37.42 | |pez| | mikma: better ;P |
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| 16:39.36 | Fisker- | lol :D |
| 16:39.38 | mikma | way cool women's boots in there |
| 16:39.43 | Fisker- | outhealing a rogue with holy shock |
| 16:40.14 | |pez| | I need to learn how to walk properly with high heels.. |
| 16:40.15 | |pez| | http://www.dna-shoes.com/default.asp?page=shoe.asp&id=07H3054 |
| 16:41.48 | mikma | |pez|: well learn with these: http://www.findcoolclothes.com/03202.html |
| 16:41.57 | mikma | like, holy hell |
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| 16:42.27 | |pez| | I'd fall over XD |
| 16:42.38 | |pez| | the boyfriend liked them though. |
| 16:43.33 | mikma | |pez|: well, http://www.alternative-footwear.co.uk/contents/media/t_Ballet_2020_BlkPat.jpg |
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| 16:44.22 | |pez| | I'd fall over AND break something >__> |
| 16:44.39 | mikma | i think 99.5% would do the same thing |
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| 16:45.34 | |pez| | this looks nice too http://www.lip-service.com/style.php?style=82-163 |
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| 16:46.13 | mikma | not bad at all |
| 16:46.40 | |pez| | I'll have to lose a few pounds, so I might actually fit in something like that. |
| 16:47.09 | mikma | ag`: hi 2 u |
| 16:47.19 | |pez| | http://www.lip-service.com/style.php?style=35-88 |
| 16:47.20 | Kalroth | Dont worry, mikma could fit it! |
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| 16:49.26 | mikma | Kalroth: fix what? |
| 16:49.39 | Kalroth | fit, not fix! |
| 16:49.52 | mikma | oh lol |
| 16:50.11 | mikma | and don't worry, i wouldn't |
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| 16:54.20 | Thunder_Child | yup, deff getting a goth feeling |
| 16:54.37 | mikma | was about to ask that is |pez| a goth :) |
| 16:54.39 | zenzelezz | that URL sounds like it's offering something very different than clothes |
| 16:54.52 | |pez| | mikma: not really... |
| 16:55.33 | |pez| | I like the clothes, I do rarely like the pale white makeup of gothness. |
| 16:55.47 | Thunder_Child | “4 WAY GANG BANG”© |
| 16:55.47 | Thunder_Child | PAIN SLUT OPERA GLOVES |
| 16:55.52 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 16:55.59 | mikma | way to go. i don't like the makeups but i like to see the clothes |
| 16:56.02 | |pez| | they have awesome names XD |
| 16:56.11 | |pez| | also, the darker red one of these... http://www.lip-service.com/style.php?style=35-91 |
| 16:56.50 | Thunder_Child | though the most common theme seems to be outragious prices |
| 16:57.25 | |pez| | actually, those prices are closeish to the Norwegian prices... if not cheaper |
| 16:58.09 | Thunder_Child | they are close to Los Angeles prices as well...just not what i spend |
| 16:58.18 | Thunder_Child | on clothing |
| 16:58.39 | |pez| | I don't buy clothes much either. |
| 16:58.49 | |pez| | but I am in need of a change of style. |
| 16:59.09 | |pez| | (I'll be looking oddlike, with styles picked from that site, or similair, and dreadlocks ;P ) |
| 16:59.25 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 16:59.39 | |pez| | this might look a tad bit slutty, but I wants it... to wear at home ofcourse http://www.lip-service.com/style.php?style=38-401 |
| 17:00.03 | mikma | the boyfriend would like that :D |
| 17:00.12 | |pez| | Oh, he defenetly would. |
| 17:00.37 | |pez| | If I bought it, it would probably be for him to look at, and no one else. |
| 17:00.44 | mikma | THE EVER POPULAR ITTY BITTY MICRO MINI... ONLY 8 1/2 INCHES OF CERTAINTY BETWEEN YOU AND A FULL VIEW! |
| 17:00.52 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 17:01.00 | |pez| | the name is oh so fitting. |
| 17:03.46 | |pez| | I need to get myself a sewing machine, and find a awesome fabric store. |
| 17:05.33 | mikma | too bad the sewing machines (good ones) cost too damn much |
| 17:06.54 | |pez| | Yeah |
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| 17:10.30 | nevcairiel | any warriors here? is there some timing trick that i can use slam and not loose my auto-attack swing? |
| 17:11.33 | mikma | get a swingtimer |
| 17:11.55 | Thunder_Child | quartz |
| 17:12.05 | nevcairiel | i have one, but i fail at using it correctly =P |
| 17:12.27 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i dont know of an addon that can correct user error... |
| 17:13.01 | Kalroth | haha |
| 17:13.03 | nevcairiel | my question more like was, when do i cast slam ? :P |
| 17:13.35 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, between autoattacks if they're slow enough I supose |
| 17:13.47 | cncfanatics | doubt it'll work with fury at all |
| 17:13.50 | cncfanatics | should with 2h arms |
| 17:14.17 | nevcairiel | i tried alot of stuff, cast it directly after a swing, cast it shortly before the end |
| 17:14.23 | nevcairiel | everytime it eats away my autoattack |
| 17:14.46 | Kalroth | Assuming you got 150ms lag and Slam specced, the best time to cast it is ~0.1 second before next auto attack |
| 17:14.48 | nevcairiel | i was only wondering if its possible to avoid that |
| 17:14.50 | cncfanatics | I guess it interupts the timer then |
| 17:14.56 | Kalroth | It wont reset the Slam timer |
| 17:15.07 | Kalroth | But you wont waste 0.5 seconds on casting it |
| 17:15.32 | Kalroth | It's the best you can do really |
| 17:16.08 | nevcairiel | easier question, whats the best way to do dmg def specced? :) |
| 17:17.28 | foxlit | Respec! |
| 17:17.58 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:18.15 | nevcairiel | more like on bosses where one tank is enough, i just stand there and not sure how to dps :) |
| 17:19.12 | cncfanatics | 2h desolate |
| 17:19.16 | cncfanatics | dual wield * |
| 17:19.18 | foxlit | Would your fury warriors murder you if you got actual gear? :) |
| 17:20.21 | nevcairiel | probably, but thats not the point. its just my damn alt, i can tank fine, and i can dps fury specced, but no idea how i can even try to dps def specced :P |
| 17:20.37 | nevcairiel | I've been trying some stuff, but it all seems so wrong |
| 17:25.18 | Beladona | nevcairiel: are you fury or arms? |
| 17:25.28 | nevcairiel | def |
| 17:25.28 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:25.33 | foxlit | prot! |
| 17:25.39 | Beladona | thought you wanted a dps tank spec |
| 17:25.50 | |pez| | I feel like showing off really old drawings. |
| 17:25.56 | nevcairiel | nah i want to know how i can try to dps in a full prot spec |
| 17:25.57 | |pez| | so people will say they are awesome, and inspire me to draw more. |
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| 17:26.04 | Beladona | OOOH |
| 17:26.19 | Beladona | thats like 2/3 gear, 1/3 skill timing methinks |
| 17:26.32 | Beladona | or maybe 1/2 and 1/2 |
| 17:27.50 | Beladona | I made my warrior an alt a while back, so I might not be up on current stuff, but I had a purplse set of dps, and would equip stuff depending on the circumstances. Usually though in our raids we have tanks already specced hybrid for dps/tank cross tanking |
| 17:27.52 | |pez| | I'll do it anyway! This one looks a wee young, but I never managed to make her look older ;__; http://slacktitude.net/archived/tegninger/v4.jpg |
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| 17:28.15 | Xinhuan | hmm whats the command to get lua to return milliseconds |
| 17:29.09 | Thunder_Child | pez, saggy boobies and wrinkles might make her look older |
| 17:29.23 | mikma | |pez|: quite perv pic. nice. |
| 17:29.24 | nevcairiel | this is just karazhan and gruul or so, i dont want to be absolutely useless when not tanking |
| 17:29.24 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: I didn't want her to be super old. |
| 17:30.45 | mikma | |pez|: 13 years |
| 17:31.04 | |pez| | my boobs were bigger when I was 13 >__> |
| 17:31.09 | |pez| | not that any of you had to know that |
| 17:31.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:31.18 | mikma | lol |
| 17:31.31 | mikma | well it's japanese or something, they are late in stuff like that |
| 17:32.29 | Beladona | I never really has a situation where I was going on raids on my warrior unless I was tanking or off-tanking. With the exception of trash once in a while I would throw dps sets on, but otherwise I always had a job. |
| 17:32.57 | |pez| | mikma: so in reality, she *could* be 18 ;D |
| 17:33.03 | Beladona | there are some boss fights I can see it for though |
| 17:33.09 | Beladona | like Solarian |
| 17:34.01 | mikma | |pez|: hehe :D |
| 17:35.35 | mikma | time to enter the dra.. shower |
| 17:35.50 | |pez| | dra? :P |
| 17:36.28 | Thunder_Child | drain.. |
| 17:36.39 | |pez| | right.. |
| 17:38.34 | mikma | dragon |
| 17:38.41 | mikma | don't you people know bruce lee! |
| 17:39.21 | Thunder_Child | not personaly |
| 17:40.01 | mikma | lol |
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| 17:46.22 | |pez| | didn't connect that one >__> |
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| 17:50.58 | Thunder_Child | i doubt your drooling over the price though |
| 17:51.27 | |pez| | the price makes the drool turn into ice and freezes my tongue >__> |
| 17:52.08 | Thunder_Child | though if i wanted something like that i would just get a tablet with the touch part done by wacom |
| 17:53.21 | |pez| | it's not *that* expensive... I just need a proper job first. |
| 17:53.30 | |pez| | and save up for a few months.. |
| 17:53.37 | Corrodias | what the heck does "GmbH" mean? |
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| 17:54.34 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, in regards to what |
| 17:54.35 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 17:55.38 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_mit_beschr%C3%A4nkter_Haftung |
| 17:56.08 | Thunder_Child | "Literally translating as company with limited liability" |
| 17:56.13 | mikma | |pez|: that device looks expensive :D |
| 17:56.22 | |pez| | mikma: it is rather pricey! |
| 17:56.25 | |pez| | 12k NOK |
| 17:57.51 | Corrodias | i see |
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| 17:57.55 | Corrodias | it was in the title of that web page |
| 17:59.56 | mikma | |pez|: how much is 1NOK in euros :D |
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| 18:00.22 | |pez| | http://xe.xom |
| 18:00.23 | |pez| | com |
| 18:00.35 | seebs | Hello! Is someone arround who could disenbetaify Chatterbox? I think it's ready to be called a release. |
| 18:01.06 | mikma | |pez|: |
| 18:01.15 | mikma | 1,536.95 EUR <- that's expensive :I |
| 18:01.29 | |pez| | indeed it is. |
| 18:01.34 | Thunder_Child | it's about 1K us, so...still worth it to get a tablet |
| 18:01.52 | |pez| | I'd totally get it if I had the funds. |
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| 18:02.19 | seebs | A tablet? |
| 18:02.29 | Thunder_Child | tablet laptop |
| 18:02.34 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 18:02.49 | seebs | I once tried to use a drawing tablet to control WoW. It's utterly useless. |
| 18:02.56 | Thunder_Child | most have touch screens made by wacom as it is |
| 18:03.06 | |pez| | I'd like a tablet laptop as well... |
| 18:03.07 | |pez| | butbutbut |
| 18:03.19 | mikma | get Nokia N810 |
| 18:03.29 | Shadowed | Shirik|AFK: http://shadowed.pastey.net/80577 It's not 100% exact, but it's mostly readable |
| 18:03.36 | |pez| | the tablet screen is sort of easier to move around. :p |
| 18:03.47 | seebs | You'd think it'd be amazing, being able to just click on everything, but the mouselook/mouseturn doesn't work -- if you touch the screen anywhere away from the very center, the camera spins wildly. |
| 18:03.50 | |pez| | and I can work on machines with higher capacity. |
| 18:03.57 | |pez| | better specs. |
| 18:05.06 | Thunder_Child | seebs, a touch screen and a mouse would do it all |
| 18:05.21 | mikma | |pez|: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,n810 |
| 18:05.58 | |pez| | mikma: why do I want that? XD |
| 18:06.01 | |pez| | it's like... tiny. :P |
| 18:06.09 | seebs | The problem I had was that, say, if I very very slightly missed a button, my camera would be essentially randomly spun around. |
| 18:06.29 | mikma | |pez|: it has all in it! gps, irc, www, mp3 <3 :D |
| 18:07.03 | Thunder_Child | seebs, dont have mousellok on |
| 18:07.08 | Thunder_Child | mouselook* |
| 18:07.31 | seebs | I don't think the game's very usable without the drag-to-turn-camera feature. |
| 18:07.36 | Thunder_Child | err...click-to-move |
| 18:07.40 | Thunder_Child | or whatever |
| 18:07.43 | seebs | No, not click to move. |
| 18:07.47 | |pez| | mikma: Aaha |
| 18:07.54 | |pez| | I could use the gps for the car I guess. :p |
| 18:08.12 | mikma | it even has speedcamera -whiner in it hehe |
| 18:08.18 | mikma | "look out, camera" |
| 18:08.19 | seebs | The way WoW handles mouselook, if you touch a tablet screen for a second frame, the game interprets it as though you had dragged the mouse from the center to that location for that frame, and it spins wildly. |
| 18:08.50 | |pez| | Right, I need to setup a site where I offer website design services, so I can save up for that damned tablet thing. |
| 18:08.57 | Thunder_Child | then dont use it seebs |
| 18:09.03 | seebs | Riiiight. |
| 18:09.10 | seebs | But what this means is that WoW is unusable with a tablet. |
| 18:09.30 | Thunder_Child | no, it just needs a mouse as well |
| 18:09.56 | seebs | But if you ever touch the screen of the tablet, it can unexpectedly go haywire. So far as I know, the UI feature in question cannot be turned off or disabled. |
| 18:10.15 | seebs | So you can't actually USE the tablet interface. |
| 18:10.29 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 18:10.41 | Thunder_Child | not the way i played it |
| 18:11.03 | seebs | Maybe they fixed this; I haven't touched it in probably a year and a half. |
| 18:11.15 | Thunder_Child | no pun intened? |
| 18:11.48 | seebs | When I used it, if I had a tablet attached, and I clicked anywhere that wasn't a UI element, the camera spun wildly. Fast enough that a single tap would leave the screen oriented essentially randomly. |
| 18:12.16 | Thunder_Child | attached to what? |
| 18:12.37 | Thunder_Child | i was talking about a tablet laptop not a wacom |
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| 18:14.04 | seebs | Yes. I said, a couple of times, that I was talking about a drawing tablet, such as a wacom. Maybe tablet-pc screens are different? |
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| 18:14.50 | Thunder_Child | where did you said drawing tablet? |
| 18:14.58 | Thunder_Child | s/said/say/ |
| 18:15.23 | seebs | "I once tried to use a drawing tablet to control WoW. It's utterly useless." |
| 18:15.56 | Thunder_Child | ah, they you would say screen, thats where i got confused |
| 18:16.02 | Thunder_Child | then* |
| 18:16.13 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 18:16.24 | seebs | I was assuming that the input devices worked about the same. |
| 18:16.41 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 18:16.41 | seebs | I would have expected the inputs to be equivalent. |
| 18:17.18 | Thunder_Child | wacom is pen only right? not touch |
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| 18:18.05 | |pez| | I think the new cintiq also has touch |
| 18:18.20 | Thunder_Child | true, but was that out 1 1/2 years ago? |
| 18:18.32 | seebs | I don't see how it'd matter; they're both doing direct-address feedback. |
| 18:19.02 | seebs | But maybe not; or it could be that Blizz changed the way they handle input if they think the input source is a tablet. |
| 18:19.29 | Thunder_Child | not blizz, i am saying wacoms software works differently when it is a latop screen or a srawing tablet |
| 18:19.35 | seebs | Ohhh. |
| 18:19.36 | Thunder_Child | drawing* |
| 18:19.39 | seebs | That's weird. I wonder why! |
| 18:19.48 | Thunder_Child | because one is drawing only |
| 18:19.52 | Thunder_Child | the other is full control |
| 18:20.00 | seebs | Er, what? |
| 18:20.06 | seebs | Drawing tablets are just a mouse-like interface. |
| 18:20.12 | seebs | They move the cursor, they generate clicks. |
| 18:20.21 | Thunder_Child | right, but on a tablet laptop it's more |
| 18:20.30 | Thunder_Child | since it is a touch screen as well |
| 18:20.34 | seebs | What more is there than moving the cursor and generating clicks? |
| 18:20.48 | Thunder_Child | multi-touch |
| 18:21.06 | seebs | Ahhh. So they would have had to update SOMETHING. |
| 18:21.53 | Thunder_Child | even so, if i wave my mousr around my screen now, the camera doesnt follow it, so why should it when i touch the screen? |
| 18:21.59 | Thunder_Child | mouse* |
| 18:22.15 | seebs | With the drawing tablet, it's not moving the cursor, but touching the screen, that triggers it. |
| 18:22.28 | seebs | If you click on the screen, and hold the button down, and move the mouse, the camera moves. |
| 18:22.42 | Thunder_Child | right, but touching is holding |
| 18:22.44 | Thunder_Child | isnt* |
| 18:23.11 | seebs | Just holding the clicker for a full frame update counts. |
| 18:23.37 | seebs | The problem is that the way WoW used to interpret mouse movement was to zero some coordinates somewhere, and then compare new incoming coordinates. |
| 18:23.48 | seebs | On the tablet, each new set of coordinates was the exact location of the pen. |
| 18:24.09 | seebs | So, every single frame, WoW thought I had dragged the pen the full distance from the center of the screen to wherever it actually was. |
| 18:24.21 | seebs | This may well have changed; it was a long time ago. |
| 18:24.21 | Industrial | eh isnt it the OS task to move the mouse? :\ |
| 18:24.37 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure the tablet screens re-zero the mouse every time you lift |
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| 18:45.12 | malreth | if you use the wacom software to put the tablet into mouse mode instead of tablet mode, it'll work with wow |
| 18:45.24 | malreth | the difference is between absolute and relative coordinates |
| 18:46.09 | malreth | with a mouse, the device sends the relative change in coordinates to the computer (i've moved -4,3 units) |
| 18:46.39 | malreth | with a tablet, the device sends the absolute coordinates (i'm at 1000,513) |
| 18:47.53 | malreth | WoW doesn't like the absolute coordinates, it takes them, does the calculation on how far you've moved from the last frame as if they were relative coords... that's why your character spins around 15 times at faster than light speed when you move the pen around |
| 18:49.17 | malreth | so yeah... put the tablet into mouse-mode and it'll work much better. |
| 18:50.11 | malreth | dunno if the touch screens (on tablet pcs) or the cintiq support mouse mode, however |
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| 18:50.44 | malreth | this commentary brought to you 50 minutes after it was relevant... i'm gonna get some food now |
| 18:58.31 | Thunder_Child | the soap in the shower smelled like fruit loops...now i smell like fruit loops...*sigh* |
| 18:59.57 | malreth | i do like cereal |
| 19:00.00 | malreth | and i love fruit loops |
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| 19:08.51 | malreth | had trouble using a tablet with wow? |
| 19:09.00 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 19:09.56 | Thunder_Child | though i do need to go through the 100+ addons and find the single one that keeps togling the "refuse trades" check box |
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| 19:35.44 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: its probably one of your mail addons |
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| 19:42.51 | Cide | CT_MailMod does it while at a mailbox (if you have the option enabled), but we tested it extensively to make sure it properly resets the value back to its original state when you leave it |
| 19:42.57 | Cide | it works correctly as far as I know |
| 19:45.17 | |pez| | any of you have any old VB runtime files?:P |
| 19:45.28 | |pez| | specifically... VBRUN300.DLL |
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| 20:06.56 | Cide | anyone feel like taking a look at a rather simple algorithm for me? |
| 20:07.40 | Cide | it's in python but that's basically executable pseudocode ((c) xkcd) so reading shouldn't pose any problems |
| 20:08.52 | dylanm | I love python pastey that shiz |
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| 20:10.57 | Iriel | sure |
| 20:11.05 | Cide | sec, typing it out |
| 20:12.16 | Cide | http://pastey.net/80582 |
| 20:14.25 | Iriel | this is essentially a binary search for a triggering event? |
| 20:14.44 | Cide | yes - I couldn't think of another way of doing it in an easy manner |
| 20:15.03 | Iriel | There are some challenges if you can have multiple collision instants in your search window |
| 20:15.19 | Cide | one could come up with a better approximation by checking the velocities of the two objects, but my collision detection algorithm doesn't determine "how much" two objects are colliding |
| 20:16.04 | Iriel | yeah, but really the more useful question is 'did they collide in this time range' |
| 20:16.26 | Cide | I know they're colliding in the time range from the last frame to the current frame |
| 20:16.57 | Iriel | that's where i suspect that my ability to review the code is hurt, the way the collision is measured is difficult. |
| 20:18.37 | Cide | I have a time-until-collision estimator that returns the minimum bound until collision, which is fed into that algorithm as the initial measured_time |
| 20:19.29 | Iriel | I've decided I can't figure out why new_offset exists |
| 20:19.39 | Iriel | sorry, time_offset |
| 20:20.13 | Cide | assuming the "real" time is time=0, the algorithm should return how far in the past the collision occured |
| 20:20.24 | Iriel | but doesn't step_time change the 'current' time/ |
| 20:20.29 | Iriel | rendering such a thing useless? |
| 20:20.34 | Iriel | that's where I may be confused |
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| 20:20.49 | Cide | well, as far as the two objects' positions are concerned, yes |
| 20:20.55 | Cide | but not for the overall state of the program |
| 20:21.28 | Cide | granted, there may be a better way to handle that |
| 20:22.04 | Cide | but time is just a concept, it's not really used (or tracked) |
| 20:22.18 | Fisker- | i has a soda |
| 20:22.19 | Cide | so in order to step forward again after it has been determined, I need to know how far back it went |
| 20:22.19 | Iriel | I think you'll be better off passing in low_time and high_time |
| 20:22.27 | Iriel | rather than having a potentially negative delta |
| 20:22.54 | Cide | do you think it eliminates any issues, or simply for clarity? |
| 20:23.03 | Cide | I agree that it would be more explicit and clear |
| 20:23.05 | Iriel | or at the very least offset (maybe negative) and range (always positive) |
| 20:23.09 | Fisker- | what does /timetest do btw_ |
| 20:23.13 | Fisker- | ? |
| 20:23.17 | Fisker- | i do it on the mailbox btw |
| 20:23.26 | Cide | it measures your fps while flying on a flight path, afaik |
| 20:23.31 | Cide | and then reports the results |
| 20:23.39 | Iriel | I'm worried your search inverts the order (going from early/late and becoming late/early) when measured_time is negative |
| 20:23.51 | Iriel | But I have to say I've been too lazy to write a test down on paper to be sure |
| 20:24.01 | Cide | what do you mean by early/late? |
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| 20:25.20 | Iriel | You're trying to find the earliest moment in the interval when the collision ocurred, right? |
| 20:25.55 | Iriel | so suppose the interval is from 0-1 and the collision starts at 0.3 and ends at 0.45 |
| 20:26.42 | Iriel | Err, make that 0.2 and 0.45 |
| 20:27.05 | Iriel | I /think/ your code as-is will correctly start in the 0 - 0.5 region, but then may go awry and check the 0.25 -0.5 region, not the 0 - 0.25 region |
| 20:27.17 | Iriel | I'm not SURE tho, let me run it through on paper |
| 20:27.33 | Cide | ah, I understand. I'll check, too |
| 20:28.58 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cxbh0gxRwuVoVxbRV |
| 20:29.17 | Industrial | should I get imp revive instead of 3/3 thick hide? |
| 20:30.09 | Iriel | Cide, yeah, it appears to be doing that |
| 20:30.21 | Cide | possibly going awry and checking 0.25-0.5? |
| 20:30.27 | Iriel | Alsom new time_offset doesn't accumulate right if it's supposed to be what I think you want it to be |
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| 20:31.05 | Cide | oh yeah, you're right. it doesn't accumulate through recursions at all |
| 20:31.06 | Iriel | s/Alsom/Also,/ |
| 20:31.13 | Iriel | Let me just rearrange this a sec |
| 20:32.49 | Cide | Industrial: imp revive is awesome for raiding |
| 20:32.54 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?vbrun300 |
| 20:33.05 | Cide | I'd go for thick hide for other stuff though |
| 20:34.01 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i dont have any mail mods |
| 20:34.38 | Thunder_Child | wait..i have one, but it only adds in my alts for autocomplete |
| 20:34.43 | Industrial | Cide: right I wanna pvp a bit :P |
| 20:34.51 | Cide | what pvp? |
| 20:34.59 | Industrial | battlegrounds |
| 20:35.04 | Cide | then still get imp revive |
| 20:35.16 | Industrial | to get my s1 set >_. |
| 20:35.18 | Industrial | >_> |
| 20:35.28 | Industrial | (slowwwww honor) |
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| 20:38.33 | Thunder_Child | Cide, you sure CT_Mailmod works properly? i think it's the only one i have |
| 20:38.41 | Cide | pretty sure |
| 20:38.50 | Cide | is the checkbox checked? |
| 20:38.54 | Cide | under /ct -> MailMod |
| 20:39.00 | Thunder_Child | it's unchecked |
| 20:39.08 | Cide | then it shouldn't mess with it |
| 20:39.12 | Cide | wait |
| 20:39.16 | Cide | which version of CT_MailMod? |
| 20:39.25 | Thunder_Child | 3.01 |
| 20:39.31 | Cide | should be fine, then |
| 20:39.42 | Cide | but I can't say for sure |
| 20:39.50 | Thunder_Child | i will check later |
| 20:40.28 | Thunder_Child | i cnat check with this char become entering the game with an addon uncheck then reentering it with it checked does BAD things |
| 20:40.39 | Thunder_Child | ...i so fail at typing |
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| 20:41.32 | |pez| | indeed you do. |
| 20:41.34 | Iriel | cide: almost done |
| 20:41.40 | Cide | Iriel: cool, many thanks |
| 20:48.45 | Iriel | cide: Actually, your algorithm is almost perfect, I was thrown by the bad accumulation on time_offset |
| 20:48.46 | malreth | i am filled with tacos! |
| 20:48.56 | Iriel | cide: if you add time_offset = time_offset + time_jump |
| 20:49.02 | Iriel | right after the call to step_time |
| 20:49.02 | Cide | aye, I already did |
| 20:49.12 | Cide | that's comforting then |
| 20:49.19 | Iriel | and then lose new_offset altogether and simply pass time_offset through then it works |
| 20:49.30 | Iriel | The actual search was looking in the right places |
| 20:50.02 | Thunder_Child | malreth, my sushi filling beats your taco filling |
| 20:50.16 | Cide | I was messing around with a few different versions so I felt I could use another set of eyes :) thanks Iriel |
| 20:50.21 | malreth | i had Real Tacos |
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| 20:50.38 | Thunder_Child | you think i had fake raw fish? |
| 20:50.42 | malreth | beef tongue on corn tortillas with onions and a mess of cilantro |
| 20:50.51 | malreth | tacos al pastor |
| 20:50.58 | malreth | barbacoa... mmm |
| 20:51.08 | Iriel | cide: No problem, just wish Id spotted the underlying correctness and small discrepency before trying to re-create it and ending up where you did. but then again, I suspect for you that kind of validation is helpful 8-) |
| 20:51.09 | Thunder_Child | tacos are a dime a dozen here in SoCal |
| 20:51.16 | malreth | you did have fake raw fish because the universe is a figment of my imagination |
| 20:51.27 | malreth | you had sushi because i made you have sushi |
| 20:51.34 | Cide | Iriel: aye, it is! |
| 20:51.45 | Thunder_Child | pfft |
| 20:51.49 | Thunder_Child | ~fail malreth |
| 20:51.49 | purl | malreth: Fail. |
| 20:51.57 | malreth | it was good, wasn't it, Thunder_Child? |
| 20:52.05 | malreth | i know.. because i made it that way |
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| 20:52.10 | Thunder_Child | it was ok, i am not a big fan of sushi |
| 20:52.23 | malreth | also, you will have diarrhea in 3 hours |
| 20:52.26 | malreth | sorry |
| 20:52.33 | Thunder_Child | though i have had better teryaki chicken |
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| 20:58.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i dont get it, the origional quest was lvl 48, the repeatable pert of the quest (which happens to be the same) is lvl 55 |
| 20:59.19 | malreth | what quest is that? |
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| 20:59.33 | Thunder_Child | "[55] Refuel for the Zapping" |
| 20:59.36 | Lunessa | ... Station. |
| 21:00.10 | Lunessa | Well, that install took three times the expected time. But it's sweeeeeeeet. |
| 21:00.19 | malreth | what have you done?!? |
| 21:00.27 | Lunessa | Installed Leopard. |
| 21:00.27 | malreth | no wait... |
| 21:00.35 | malreth | What **HAVE** you done?!?! |
| 21:00.44 | malreth | i'm trying to build a flair for the dramatic |
| 21:01.09 | Lunessa | It would help if you weren't wearing t-shirts, and bothered to shave ones in a while. |
| 21:01.21 | Lunessa | ones/once/ |
| 21:01.58 | Lunessa | The new version of the dock is very nice. |
| 21:02.27 | Iriel | Leopard is nice |
| 21:02.30 | Iriel | I've enjoyed it |
| 21:02.35 | Iriel | Time machine is good too |
| 21:02.49 | Iriel | and the desktop sharing client |
| 21:04.35 | malreth | i don't shave when i'm on vacation |
| 21:04.42 | malreth | as such i was quite teh shaggy |
| 21:05.19 | malreth | and in austin, wearing a t-shirt is considered dressed. most people walk around topless... for real |
| 21:08.49 | malreth | hmm... |
| 21:09.06 | malreth | i like the sandboxing feature |
| 21:09.07 | malreth | http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20080105221725638 |
| 21:09.23 | malreth | it'll be interesting to see that used more often on the server side of things |
| 21:10.05 | malreth | but its applications on home desktops is also pretty cool |
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| 21:12.09 | Lunessa | I'm just now getting my first taste of Leopard. The install was problematic since this machine is on a AD bound network, and has BootCamp installed - it took some wrangling to get it to reboot and load properly the first time after install, but it's rocking now. |
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| 21:18.42 | Thunder_Child | does cart not allow for reporting afker's in BG's? |
| 21:23.24 | |pez| | someone really needs to redesign the way my keys are stuck to the keyboard >__> |
| 21:23.44 | Cide | don't use glue; it helps |
| 21:24.53 | |pez| | the problem isn't they it's stuck.But when it falls off, the whole thing underneath it, borks horribly, and I have a hrd time getting the key back on the key board. |
| 21:25.13 | Thunder_Child | buy a new one |
| 21:25.16 | Thunder_Child | a good one |
| 21:25.25 | |pez| | laptop. :P |
| 21:25.46 | Thunder_Child | you can get replacement key floppy things |
| 21:25.48 | MentalPower | call the warranty and have it replaced |
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| 21:34.21 | Lunessa | keybaords are cheap. Good ones not cheap but last a long time. |
| 21:34.31 | Lunessa | Solution, get good keyboards. |
| 21:34.46 | |pez| | laptop! |
| 21:35.16 | MentalPower | call the warranty and have it replaced |
| 21:35.17 | |pez| | \ |
| 21:35.31 | Iriel | Generally you can replace a laptop's keyboard without /too/ much effort |
| 21:35.44 | Iriel | though obviously with another of the same design |
| 21:35.47 | Iriel | so it may not win you much |
| 21:36.26 | |pez| | MentalPower: warranty ran out... ages ago |
| 21:36.30 | mikma | so, there's a hidden CD in shaman's Windfury? |
| 21:38.36 | Lunessa | 3 secons |
| 21:42.13 | Thunder_Child | pez, so buy a new one, they should be about 30 us or so |
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| 21:45.12 | Lunessa | mikma: I meant to say 3 seconds. Windfury can't proc more than once each 3 seconds. |
| 21:45.25 | |pez| | I have problems paying for food and rent atm ;P keyboards are a bit down on my list of priorities. |
| 21:45.57 | malreth | my suggestion: marry rich |
| 21:46.12 | |pez| | Oh, the boyfriend will get moneys when his folks die. :P |
| 21:46.25 | malreth | you should help speed up the process |
| 21:46.44 | malreth | also, get pregnant. that'll trick him into marrying you. |
| 21:46.44 | Thunder_Child | pez, but overpriced clothing is on the list? |
| 21:46.51 | Cide | some arsenic in the tea usually helps |
| 21:47.24 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: didn't say I'd actually buy it |
| 21:47.26 | |pez| | I'm just drooling. |
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| 21:49.24 | Thunder_Child | "Welcome to #wowi-lounge, we can help you build an addon, debate anything, argue anything, have dirty minds, and can help kill a person." |
| 21:49.40 | malreth | I hate Ron Paul! |
| 21:49.47 | malreth | >__> |
| 21:49.51 | malreth | <__< |
| 21:50.01 | Thunder_Child | so, is that the debate part or the kill part? |
| 21:50.24 | malreth | it could have been either |
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| 21:50.33 | malreth | thankfully, you can't get home addresses through irc |
| 21:50.43 | Thunder_Child | says who> |
| 21:50.44 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 21:51.53 | malreth | well, i guess it's possible |
| 21:52.02 | malreth | i'll make it easy |
| 21:52.18 | malreth | i own several domain names... find one of them and you'll get my address |
| 21:52.39 | JoshBork1 | www.malrethsucks.com! |
| 21:52.58 | malreth | don't go there... it's a keylogger site |
| 21:55.06 | Lunessa | actually, it's pr0n. |
| 21:58.18 | Thunder_Child | huh, didnt know malreth sucks THAT much |
| 21:59.15 | Iriel | or THAT indiscriminantly |
| 21:59.32 | Lunessa | ZING |
| 21:59.49 | malreth | that and craigslist personal ads pays for the bills |
| 22:00.42 | mikma | Lunessa: is there printed text from blizz somewhere that actually says the 3 seconds? |
| 22:03.10 | Lunessa | Look around the shaman forums. |
| 22:03.54 | Lunessa | It was covered very throughly pre-2.0 because it got fixed. Used to be different ranks had a different cooldown. |
| 22:08.09 | mikma | okiedokie |
| 22:09.44 | Lunessa | "PS. I'm not quite as post-y as I was, partly because there are so many other folks who get to threads before me with the right answers (yes, you know who you are, leave a few for me please!) ~Iriel" --- NEVAR! |
| 22:10.24 | Iriel | Actually I think it's great how good the community is |
| 22:10.25 | Lunessa | ~cookie Iriel |
| 22:10.45 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 22:11.00 | Lunessa | ... duba yew tee eff? |
| 22:11.03 | Thunder_Child | whoever wrote that fails |
| 22:11.43 | Iriel | odd |
| 22:12.30 | malreth | ~literal legerol |
| 22:12.43 | malreth | ~fail me |
| 22:12.44 | purl | malreth: Fail. |
| 22:12.59 | malreth | ~literal legorol |
| 22:12.59 | purl | "legorol" is "<reply> Someone claimed that Legorol doesn't stop talking to himself || <reply> I'm sure I can get Iriel in the mood again some other time. ;)" |
| 22:13.09 | malreth | ok |
| 22:13.17 | malreth | ~cookie Lunessa |
| 22:13.30 | malreth | ~literal cookie |
| 22:13.31 | purl | "cookie" is "<action>gives <who> a cookie" |
| 22:13.42 | malreth | yeah, that's not right |
| 22:13.47 | malreth | ~factinfo cookie |
| 22:13.47 | purl | cookie -- last modified at Sun Jan 7 12:52:39 2007 by amro!n=amro@82.101.184.154; it has been requested 9 times, last by Polarina at Sun Oct 7 16:45:13 2007. |
| 22:13.59 | Thunder_Child | thats not it |
| 22:14.03 | Lunessa | sounds like an index value is off. |
| 22:14.19 | Thunder_Child | it would say malreth was the last to use it |
| 22:16.09 | Iriel | speaking of Polarina, is she around? |
| 22:17.18 | foxlit | I can't implement a crysis nanosuit-style secure action control for wow, can I? |
| 22:17.46 | Iriel | you mean pop open, interact, use, close..? |
| 22:17.47 | foxlit | (Mechanic: hold mouse button, radial menu pops up -- move mouse in a particular button's direction to highlight the button, release the middle mouse button, and that option activates) |
| 22:17.54 | Iriel | yes, you can |
| 22:18.00 | Iriel | That's what the pie button template is for |
| 22:18.20 | Iriel | well, I should be somewhat more specific |
| 22:18.22 | foxlit | I assumed that has you aiming and clicking at buttons? |
| 22:18.37 | foxlit | rather than a general sort of North / West / East direction movement switch |
| 22:18.46 | Iriel | you may have to cheat a little, and have an 'invisible' button under the mouse, but draw the visuals in the middle of the screen |
| 22:19.07 | Iriel | Unless you dont mind opening it at the mouse |
| 22:19.15 | Iriel | no, the pie button is all about angular regions |
| 22:19.24 | Iriel | you set the 'dead angle' between them, minimum and maximum radius |
| 22:19.48 | foxlit | That works.. surprisingly well :) |
| 22:20.27 | Iriel | the expected use is that it opens under the mouse, you shift the mouse a little in a direction and release |
| 22:20.28 | foxlit | Can I keep that button anchored to the mouse? Don't mind doing a separate graphics later, but I can't recall a way to anchor stuff to the mouse pointer |
| 22:20.49 | foxlit | s/ate/aye/ |
| 22:20.58 | foxlit | Hm, wrong one ("layer") |
| 22:21.11 | Iriel | Well, you can make it open at the mouse position, if that's what you mean? |
| 22:21.16 | Iriel | That's how i've used it |
| 22:21.35 | Fisker- | ~factinfo fisker- |
| 22:21.35 | purl | Fisker-: there's no such factoid as fisker- |
| 22:21.41 | Fisker- | fuck you Punkie`afk |
| 22:21.45 | Fisker- | and you too purl |
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| 22:22.36 | foxlit | Hm, alright, think I should look at the template code before I ask more questions :) |
| 22:22.43 | Lunessa | Weren't pie-buttons implemented specifically to do radial menus? I mean like... "Holy crap, we want these, Iriel to the rescue"? |
| 22:23.19 | Iriel | Yes, they were designed for that |
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| 22:23.26 | foxlit | I've seen several people confused by the name, I'm afraid :( |
| 22:24.39 | Iriel | what's so hard about slices of pie? |
| 22:24.42 | Iriel | (mmm, pie) |
| 22:24.54 | foxlit | Is pie like cake? |
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| 22:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | pie > cake. besides, the cake is a lie. |
| 22:25.19 | Lunessa | at least you didn't call them pizza-uttons |
| 22:25.32 | Lunessa | The Cake is Out There. |
| 22:27.21 | Polarina | Iriel: Yes. |
| 22:27.42 | Iriel | Polarina: I made your hash function 20-25% faster by making the bit functions local |
| 22:27.50 | Iriel | Polarina: Your mistake was to think that local bit = bit; would help much |
| 22:27.59 | Polarina | Iriel: It actually got faster? |
| 22:28.01 | Iriel | Polarina: You need to do local bit.band = bit_band; etc |
| 22:28.06 | Polarina | Ah.. |
| 22:28.12 | malreth | other way around? |
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| 22:28.19 | Iriel | Sorry, yes other way around |
| 22:28.22 | malreth | local bit_band = bit.band |
| 22:28.23 | Iriel | local bit_band = bit.band; |
| 22:28.33 | Polarina | Iriel: Thanks. |
| 22:28.45 | malreth | doing so removes a table lookup |
| 22:28.46 | Iriel | anyway, that's an easily measurable improvement, I got it up to 25% more hashes per second |
| 22:29.10 | malreth | for those following in our studio audience |
| 22:29.15 | Iriel | I couldn't make any other significant improvements (though interesting a couple of things I tried actually made it slower) |
| 22:29.20 | cogwheel | anyone know if they intentionally made plants and things interfere with mousing over stuff in the world? |
| 22:29.33 | Xinhuan | cogwheel, no? |
| 22:29.48 | malreth | nope... testing it right now |
| 22:30.10 | Iriel | Trees and walls, yes.. I think. But just general flora, no. |
| 22:30.13 | cogwheel | it's not 100% of the time, but lots of trees have been getting in the way of targeted AOE, for instance |
| 22:30.26 | cogwheel | the leaves, not just the trunk |
| 22:30.28 | Xinhuan | oh, its been an issue since forever |
| 22:30.30 | malreth | ah... targeted aoe, yah |
| 22:30.37 | cogwheel | and looting too |
| 22:30.39 | malreth | can't stand that when doing skettis bombing runs |
| 22:30.41 | Xinhuan | didn't detect any change regarding that one |
| 22:30.43 | cogwheel | well everything really |
| 22:30.50 | cogwheel | and i never had a problem doing skettis :| |
| 22:31.45 | kd3 | if you can line up properly skettis isn't that bad. just takes practice |
| 22:32.11 | kd3 | and damn it all. gotta yell at my apartment complex's ISP on monday... they still haven't lifted the IRC filter |
| 22:33.37 | cladhaire | what IRC filter? |
| 22:35.27 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, all solid objects are supposed to have a clickable block afaik |
| 22:35.38 | cogwheel | they're not solid though |
| 22:35.45 | cogwheel | you can go through tree leaves just fine |
| 22:35.59 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say solid to your char |
| 22:36.21 | cogwheel | well what other kind of solid is there? :P |
| 22:36.25 | Thunder_Child | i have casted aoe's on the celing because the vines blocked bmy cast |
| 22:36.30 | Thunder_Child | my* |
| 22:36.39 | cogwheel | yeah... the vines aren't solid... |
| 22:36.41 | kd3 | I'm connected via tor right now. they've got non-SSL irc traffic filtered to next to nothing. pings on average of 5 minutes or so |
| 22:36.42 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:37.24 | Lunessa | "packet shaping" for the lose? |
| 22:37.24 | malreth | that's good... only terrorists use irc |
| 22:37.53 | kd3 | yes |
| 22:38.07 | kd3 | thankfully they've eased up on the gaming filters. wow's playable... ~150ms ping on average |
| 22:40.21 | Lunessa | someone at your ISP must really have a thing about UDP packets.. |
| 22:40.59 | End-sleep | well that's fun |
| 22:41.27 | End | I was bored, so I decided to see if I could solo strat |
| 22:41.37 | End | there's a disease that does 9k damage over 10 minutes |
| 22:41.40 | End | -AND- |
| 22:41.44 | End | makes it so you can't regen health |
| 22:41.50 | End | eating food doesn't help either |
| 22:42.01 | kd3 | oh ick. hate that debuff |
| 22:42.32 | End | I guess strat was built with the expectation you have a priest :P |
| 22:42.53 | malreth | or ice block |
| 22:42.58 | End | heh |
| 22:43.24 | End | well, my voidwalker was about to die from it too |
| 22:43.27 | End | so I sac'd him |
| 22:43.30 | foxlit | Or paladin |
| 22:43.32 | foxlit | Or a healer :P |
| 22:43.52 | End | well, I say priest since priests can shackle ;p |
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| 22:43.59 | End | I used to hate doing this instance on my druid |
| 22:44.13 | End | actually, I hated 5mans in general, raiding I was ok with though |
| 22:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | .. or shaman, who can also cure disease. :P |
| 22:47.51 | zenzelezz | End: the disease is easy as long as you have bandages! |
| 22:48.07 | zenzelezz | you can use a full one between each tick |
| 22:49.26 | foxlit | btw, Iriel |
| 22:49.36 | zenzelezz | the only part of human Stratholme my 70 prot warrior has trouble with is the cannonneer wing... two or more healers at a time is a pain |
| 22:49.37 | Iriel | hm? |
| 22:49.38 | foxlit | SecureTemplates.lua:425 "used in conjunction with a SecureStaetHeader" |
| 22:49.51 | foxlit | minor, really :) |
| 22:53.05 | End | zenzelezz: oh, cool |
| 22:53.16 | End | zenzelezz: I was just using shadowward, so I don't actually take any damage |
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| 22:59.02 | cogwheel | How much time does it take to recover from getting the pirate hat? (w.r.t. goblin rep?) <.< >.> |
| 22:59.53 | Fisker- | cogwheel |
| 22:59.57 | Fisker- | if you think you are so 1337 |
| 23:00.13 | cogwheel | btw |
| 23:00.14 | cogwheel | :P |
| 23:00.17 | Fisker- | then you would know where to get usb sticks with pretty good storage and a write protect switch |
| 23:00.26 | Fisker- | well you're cogwheel |
| 23:00.31 | Fisker- | but that's 1337 for cockwheel |
| 23:00.40 | Fisker- | if you know what i mean |
| 23:01.33 | cogwheel | i'm not really into pop tech... never use my ipod or pda, don't carry a usb drive or anything... |
| 23:01.36 | [Liquidor] | cogwheel, 2 weeks |
| 23:01.44 | [Liquidor] | pre-tbc |
| 23:01.46 | cladhaire | anyone have any idea what he's saying |
| 23:01.47 | cladhaire | "Is there anyway to set this to look like the BC setup you had? Since you have changed the look I have switched to grid but I'm really getting tired of the information display for grid. |
| 23:01.47 | cladhaire | I really enjoyed the old layout but find your new one too clunky. |
| 23:01.47 | cladhaire | " |
| 23:02.10 | cogwheel | i think he meant pre-bc |
| 23:02.13 | [Liquidor] | cladhaire, what is he talking about? |
| 23:02.17 | cladhaire | praid |
| 23:02.22 | cogwheel | i figured that :P |
| 23:02.24 | cladhaire | but basically nothing changed in perfectraid |
| 23:02.28 | cladhaire | hence my confusion |
| 23:02.33 | Fisker- | you has an ipod? |
| 23:02.38 | cladhaire | sure, it can't do magical sorting now |
| 23:02.43 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 23:02.43 | Fisker- | me no liek u nymoar |
| 23:02.47 | [Liquidor] | [00:00:00] × Day changed to [Sunday, January 13th 2008]. |
| 23:02.48 | cogwheel | well, it's dead now... wife ran hers into the ground |
| 23:02.49 | [Liquidor] | !! |
| 23:02.50 | cladhaire | oh well |
| 23:02.51 | cladhaire | bed |
| 23:02.52 | cogwheel | so she's using mine ;) |
| 23:03.39 | foxlit | Hm, problematic :( |
| 23:03.50 | Lunessa | Ciao |
| 23:04.10 | foxlit | Seems you have to keep mouse over the original button in order for it to capture the click |
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| 23:10.40 | foxlit | Iriel: everything works, as long as the mouse stays within the constrains of the original button |
| 23:11.22 | Iriel | so you make the original button HUGE |
| 23:11.23 | Iriel | ? |
| 23:11.31 | Iriel | How are you triggering the open? a keypress or a click? |
| 23:11.39 | foxlit | Click |
| 23:11.49 | Iriel | that may be the issue |
| 23:12.07 | foxlit | At the moment, I have the button visible so I can see where I'm aiming while not doing any actual graphics |
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| 23:12.24 | foxlit | I can't keep a visible HUGE button around since it would block clicks on the world map :( |
| 23:13.00 | Iriel | you'd have to use a state header and make it change size when clicked |
| 23:14.56 | foxlit | The ideal activation mechanism would be a middle-mouse click anywhere on the world frame |
| 23:16.17 | Iriel | When I've done it I've bound the activation to open and show the pie, then the release completes the action |
| 23:17.54 | foxlit | Not sure what you mean by activation in this context |
| 23:18.54 | Iriel | Let me level and then i'll find my example code |
| 23:19.03 | foxlit | Okay, thank you. |
| 23:22.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn|Away (n=nnchatzi@64.180.64.72) |
| 23:36.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kandoko (n=Owner@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:46.00 | Iriel | foxlit: http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/PressPieTest-0.2-30200.zip |
| 23:46.10 | Iriel | Install that, it steals 'Z' as its triggering key |
| 23:48.57 | wereHamster | is wow at version 3.2 ?? |
| 23:49.26 | Maldivia | hehe, I was about to point that out aswell :) |
| 23:49.30 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:49.39 | Maldivia | could be wotlk is further along than we thought! |
| 23:49.57 | wereHamster | is says you need to install it into WoWTest, but still, I thought we were at 2.4 .. |
| 23:50.36 | wereHamster | maybe iriel is in the beta testing team.. as I'm sure he is :) |
| 23:51.33 | Cide | they've stated the beta hasn't begun |
| 23:51.45 | nevcairiel | internal alpha then |
| 23:51.48 | wereHamster | then it's alpha ;) |
| 23:51.57 | Cide | could be |
| 23:54.00 | Iriel | no, I just can't type |
| 23:54.14 | Maldivia | shh... spoiling the consp. theories :) |
| 23:54.20 | Iriel | The code was at 2.2 and I changed the wrong 2 to a 3 |
| 23:54.21 | Kalroth | Aww, that could have started some nice rumours! |
| 23:55.07 | Iriel | Anyway, any kind of beta would be 0.x |
| 23:55.17 | Iriel | wouldn't it/ |
| 23:55.36 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure TBC used 2.x |
| 23:55.39 | Maldivia | well, the interfae version would still be 30000 |
| 23:55.41 | Kalroth | even in the beta |
| 23:55.59 | Iriel | good point |
| 23:56.03 | Iriel | Anyway, http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/PressPieTest-0.2-20300.zip fixed now |
| 23:56.26 | Kalroth | &msg Iriel Nice coverup, it was actually plausible |
| 23:57.00 | Cide | not only have they covered up 3.0; they've patched it twice without us noticing as well! |
| 23:57.16 | Kalroth | Cide: I'm sure they make patches internally :) |
| 23:57.17 | Maldivia | perhaps they're heading for 4.0 ? |
| 23:57.49 | Iriel | Or microsoft style year versions |
| 23:57.51 | Iriel | WoW 2009 |
| 23:58.02 | Cide | yeah, they're playing 4.0 internally, where mages have been removed, warlocks are tanks and warriors sit in the corner, giving the healers +healing shout |
| 23:58.06 | Maldivia | well, I'm hoping it'll be WoW 2008 :) |
| 23:58.21 | Kalroth | WoW Ultra Extreme Business Server Mainframe Edition 2009 |
| 23:58.28 | Kalroth | To be released in 2008. |
| 23:58.37 | Iriel | though hunters and warlocks will need to buy Wow 2009 ultimate edition, if they want to use their pets |
| 23:58.53 | Kalroth | WoW Home Edition 2009 will be available for personal usage. |
| 23:59.05 | Iriel | Kalroth: No online play, and no mobs? |
| 23:59.22 | Iriel | Kalroth: and one character slot |
| 23:59.26 | Kalroth | Iriel: No, you can play online. There's just not any backpacks. |
| 23:59.34 | Iriel | Kalroth: cruel, i like it |
| 23:59.39 | Kalroth | If you can equip it, you can loot it! |
