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| 00:05.37 | cogwheel | ~fail shirik |
| 00:05.38 | purl | shirik: Fail. |
| 00:06.03 | cogwheel | ~fail cogwheel for not hitting tab |
| 00:06.03 | purl | cogwheel for not hitting tab: Fail. |
| 00:06.13 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 00:06.15 | Shirik|AFK | what did I do |
| 00:06.22 | cogwheel | failed |
| 00:06.24 | cogwheel | :P |
| 00:06.28 | Shirik|AFK | Furthermore what happened to the UI/Macros forum |
| 00:06.33 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881840282&sid=1#4 |
| 00:06.34 | Shirik|AFK | it seems like everyone is intelligent today |
| 00:06.42 | cogwheel | except you!!!! |
| 00:06.44 | cogwheel | zing! |
| 00:06.51 | cogwheel | XD |
| 00:06.54 | Shirik|AFK | yeah yeah |
| 00:06.55 | Shirik|AFK | oh well |
| 00:07.45 | Shirik|AFK | Yes yes, once again you are correct oh great one |
| 00:07.46 | Shirik|AFK | I give up |
| 00:11.22 | Duman | heh |
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| 00:23.43 | Shirik | ~lart cogwheel |
| 00:23.43 | purl | installs PocketPC on cogwheel's PDA |
| 00:23.51 | cogwheel | Shirik: i edited |
| 00:23.54 | Shirik | Who taught you your boolean operators :P |
| 00:24.10 | Shirik | "The first command will stop your macro whenever [nodead] is true. As you can (hopefully) see from the table, [nodead] is true when you have a living pet AND when you don't have any pet. " |
| 00:24.12 | Shirik | OR! |
| 00:24.32 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:24.35 | cogwheel | oh heh |
| 00:24.36 | Shirik | sorry I'm nitpicking |
| 00:24.45 | cogwheel | except you're still wrong :P |
| 00:24.54 | cogwheel | I was speaking English, not Logic |
| 00:24.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 00:25.22 | Antiarc | For anyone on Reliquary of Souls, I just wrote a new addon that will suppress Deadened cast bars in a number of addons, and it's modular so it can be extended to other addons |
| 00:25.32 | Antiarc | If there's anyone that does RoS, I'd love feedback on it |
| 00:25.43 | Antiarc | It currently does suppression in Quartz, PitBull, and Antagonist. |
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| 00:46.40 | [Liquidor] | Just read the transcription of the first BlizzCast and I saw ths: "We’re doing other small things like raising the daily quest limit. Right now it’s at ten quests per day." |
| 00:47.06 | Shirik | yeah they said that earlier actually |
| 00:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. I don't actually DO more than 6, but hey, raising it sounds neat. |
| 00:52.41 | Shirik | so I learned today that my professor's name is Salamah Salamah |
| 00:52.44 | Shirik | I feel bad for him >< |
| 00:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | What does he teach? |
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| 00:53.26 | Shirik | software engineering |
| 00:54.29 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I can't find any obvious puns, so at least his chosen field isn't totally a disaster. |
| 00:55.46 | Shirik | his first name is his last name though >< |
| 00:56.10 | Shirik | He opened the class with "Hello, I'm professor Salamah Salamah. Yes that's funny." |
| 00:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, like Kelly Kelly... I've seen it before, usually done by parents who thought it would be "cute". |
| 00:56.25 | Shirik | why are parents so mean like that >< |
| 00:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | I thank the stars every birthday that my aunt over-ruled my mother's "cute" choice. |
| 00:56.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen AnduinLothar |
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| 00:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | My brother is Simon. Mom wanted me to be "Simone" |
| 00:57.07 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:57.22 | Lopeppeppy | My aunt sent the nurse away until she could talk sense into my mother. I love that woman with all my heart and soul. |
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| 01:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | My cat came to obstruct my computing, and studiously ignore me in the process. She's hilarious. |
| 01:14.49 | kd3 | eesh. it's january... why the hell is it thundering outside? |
| 01:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | To frighten me under the bed? |
| 01:24.38 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss Kiss, I have to go rescue the albatross now. |
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| 01:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=g-9Tho7a4TI |
| 01:27.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 01:27.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a mis-paste, it's not work safe, btw |
| 01:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i meant to paste this: <kd3> eesh. it's january... why the hell is it thundering outside? |
| 01:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and respond "that's how georgia rolls" |
| 01:28.06 | kd3 | no joke. we're about to get pounded any minute now |
| 01:28.11 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ |
| 01:28.17 | sag_ich_nicht | i just saw a random retribution paladin in IF |
| 01:28.41 | sag_ich_nicht | 6/11/44, NO Seal of Command, NO sancticity aura and none of the imp. seals talents |
| 01:29.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean seriously WHAT THE FUCK |
| 01:29.48 | sag_ich_nicht | and he has S1 shoulders and weapon... and T1 gloves. |
| 01:30.01 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell is wrong with the brain of a person like that o_O |
| 01:30.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | welcome to the wow community |
| 01:30.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | where stupidity is king |
| 01:31.23 | |pez| | Hello, I R TAERI, and I have no clue what the horribleness in S1 shoulders + weapons, but T1 gloves is. |
| 01:32.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's how he could have gotten S1 shoulders |
| 01:32.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | being that stupid |
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| 01:39.03 | wereHamster | isn't t1 blue? |
| 01:39.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it's epic, just really terrible |
| 01:39.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have some pieces of t2 in my healing set |
| 01:39.51 | kd3 | t1 is Molten Core gear |
| 01:39.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | :3 |
| 01:40.21 | art3mis | i think cidan had a mental fit and assploded |
| 01:40.25 | art3mis | ~seen cidan |
| 01:40.28 | purl | cidan is currently on #wowi-lounge (14d 17h 22m 44s) #wowace (14d 17h 22m 44s), last said: 'Idiots'. |
| 01:41.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that confirms |
| 01:41.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it |
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| 01:56.13 | cogwheel | yes... it really, really does... |
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| 02:14.45 | cogwheel | anyone know a quick kb shortcut in FF to open a new tab with the current page? |
| 02:15.28 | Duman | you mean how IE does it? I think FF always opens a new tab w/ your 'home' page, no? (mine is blank, so I dunno) |
| 02:15.49 | Duman | oh |
| 02:15.52 | Duman | change your options |
| 02:16.14 | Duman | tools -> options -> Main ... Startup section "Use Current Page" |
| 02:16.25 | Duman | and then just use ^N |
| 02:16.38 | Duman | err ^T for tab |
| 02:17.05 | Duman | wait, neverind |
| 02:17.09 | Duman | taht doesn't do what I expected |
| 02:17.12 | Duman | ignore me |
| 02:17.20 | cogwheel | i don't want it all the time either |
| 02:18.40 | Duman | cog |
| 02:18.45 | Duman | found the addon you want: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/401 |
| 02:19.05 | cogwheel | thanks :) was just about to look |
| 02:19.31 | Duman | altho it's unclear if it allows "normal" new tabs as well as "open new tab at current page" or not |
| 02:19.39 | Duman | but that should become quickly obvious once installed ;) |
| 02:20.55 | cogwheel | brb... restarting to find out :) |
| 02:21.03 | cogwheel | (firefox that is) |
| 02:21.06 | Duman | on you're using chatzilla |
| 02:21.07 | Duman | heh |
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| 02:22.46 | cogwheel | cool... it adds both ctrl-shift-T and ctrl-shift-N |
| 02:23.14 | cogwheel | thanks again :) |
| 02:23.22 | cogwheel | sweet! even carries the history |
| 02:23.28 | Duman | nice |
| 02:23.38 | Duman | I may install that, myself :) |
| 02:24.40 | Xinhuan | hey cogwheel, read the reply i made about querying unsafe itemlinks on the server? |
| 02:25.07 | cogwheel | yep. good info :) |
| 02:25.12 | Xinhuan | :) |
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| 02:40.07 | cogwheel | thanks, dolby-wowi or Cairenn |
| 02:40.17 | Cairenn | you're welcome cogwheel |
| 02:44.36 | cogwheel | forum whores: cross your fingers with me... I asked my MVP contact to lower the post timer on the UI & Macros forum like they did in Bug Reports :O |
| 02:44.47 | Duman | now the secret is out! |
| 02:44.59 | cogwheel | MUAHAHAHA |
| 02:45.06 | cogwheel | i foiled your evil planz! |
| 02:45.11 | Duman | damn you!! |
| 02:45.26 | cogwheel | that would be a cool name for a machinima |
| 02:45.36 | Duman | hehe |
| 02:45.36 | cogwheel | (i didn't spell that right, did I?) |
| 02:45.42 | Duman | not sure |
| 02:46.03 | cogwheel | machinema? |
| 02:46.14 | cogwheel | w/e |
| 02:54.08 | cogwheel | ROFL... |
| 02:55.03 | cogwheel | ??? Author: I’m assuming that by chapter 17, the reader understands the difference between “addon” code and “secure” code. On the other hand, if it hasn’t been clearly explained elsewhere, I suggest you explain the differ-ence here. Thx. –Gus/DE ??? |
| 02:55.05 | cogwheel | By paragraph 2, anyway ;) I rearranged it to draw attention to the term. - MO |
| 02:58.03 | Duman | anyone else listen to that "Blizzcast"? |
| 03:01.55 | Xinhuan | [1/11 10:44:19] <+cogwheel> forum whores: cross your fingers with me... I asked my MVP contact to lower the post timer on the UI & Macros forum like they did in Bug Reports :O |
| 03:01.57 | Xinhuan | i loled |
| 03:02.16 | art3mis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=jy7tiCwDHQQ |
| 03:06.15 | cogwheel | Each time I listen to that BNL CD paying attention to the words, it seems more and more depressing... |
| 03:06.59 | cogwheel | One of the songs that's totally odd and doesn't make any sense makes me think they're talking about suicide |
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| 03:12.47 | Legorol | art3mis: it says this video is unavailable right now |
| 03:19.29 | art3mis | kkep trying |
| 03:19.33 | art3mis | you'll be happy ;P |
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| 03:30.47 | Corrodias | i want an addon that will let me link any recipe |
| 03:30.56 | Corrodias | search & link, like lootlink for crafting |
| 03:31.11 | Corrodias | not something that shows what i do or do not have on each character |
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| 03:33.57 | art3mis | guess what i just found out |
| 03:34.05 | art3mis | my wife had never heard the tragically hip |
| 03:34.12 | art3mis | the pursuit of happiness |
| 03:34.30 | art3mis | or the northern pikes |
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| 03:47.14 | art3mis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=NKsQe31ApMs |
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| 04:01.13 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk |
| 04:03.22 | Wobwork | wow |
| 04:03.25 | Wobwork | they know all the words =) |
| 04:06.05 | End | hmm, I think my omen is buggy, maybe I should update |
| 04:06.22 | End | the numbers on my screen apparently are -completely- different from what other people see me with o_O |
| 04:06.28 | art3mis | yes we do wob |
| 04:06.31 | End | (which I don't understand) |
| 04:06.32 | Antiarc | There's a bug at the moment |
| 04:06.34 | Antiarc | In threat clears |
| 04:06.41 | End | ahhhh |
| 04:06.44 | art3mis | impressive no? |
| 04:06.46 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:07.06 | art3mis | and its still clear enough that you can hear each and every word |
| 04:07.18 | art3mis | i miss my country |
| 04:08.15 | End | Antiarc: so..are the numbers on my screen correct? and it's not broadcasting correctly..or what? |
| 04:08.40 | Antiarc | I'm not sure what the effect would be, just that it'd be broken |
| 04:08.48 | End | weird |
| 04:09.15 | End | I seem to be generating more aggro than usual though...since I actually pulled aggro when I normally don't |
| 04:09.32 | End | maybe my threat really -is- through the roof |
| 04:11.01 | cogwheel | how is it that I can restart sshd remotely without getting disconnected? O.o |
| 04:11.18 | Iriel | because the ssh subprocess owns your connection |
| 04:11.19 | End | you aren't restarting your sshd process? |
| 04:11.21 | End | and just the listener? |
| 04:11.25 | Iriel | sshd only owns the open socket |
| 04:11.51 | cogwheel | ah |
| 04:11.56 | Iriel | (the sshd client subprocess I guess, technically) |
| 04:12.07 | Iriel | obviously your current connection is still the old version |
| 04:12.23 | cogwheel | yeah thata makes sense |
| 04:12.25 | cogwheel | :( |
| 04:12.36 | cogwheel | three tries at taht sentence and i still got it worng |
| 04:12.45 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 04:13.18 | Iriel | Have you been drinking ? 8-) |
| 04:13.52 | End | Antiarc: another question... is this across all versions, or just a recent version? |
| 04:14.08 | Antiarc | Just recent |
| 04:14.10 | Antiarc | Past day or two |
| 04:14.11 | End | ah |
| 04:14.11 | End | ok |
| 04:14.20 | End | I'll have to get an older version |
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| 04:16.31 | Duman | yeah sshd forks off a child for each connection... so that you CAN restart that main daemon w/o dumping all the children (currently-connected people) |
| 04:19.18 | Antiarc | End: I just committed a fix |
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| 04:19.32 | Duman | man, I thought it was supposed to actually rain today |
| 04:19.37 | End | Antiarc: thanks! |
| 04:19.38 | Duman | I don't think it did more than just drizzle |
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| 04:27.20 | cogwheel | heh |
| 04:27.30 | Duman | re-doing something, or something new? :) |
| 04:27.31 | cogwheel | Just a repost of my guide in green (with 2.3.2 changes) |
| 04:27.34 | Duman | ahh :-) |
| 04:27.42 | Duman | figured ;) |
| 04:27.49 | cogwheel | and so that it's more likely the link in the book will be current |
| 04:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh |
| 04:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Urge to post "C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!" rising |
| 04:28.07 | Duman | hahah |
| 04:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't mention these threads, I do bad things :( |
| 04:28.41 | cogwheel | i have connections now :P |
| 04:28.46 | cogwheel | u no mess with me |
| 04:29.03 | Xinhuan | wtb clues on what your reserved thread is about |
| 04:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:27 <+cogwheel> Just a repost of my guide in green (with 2.3.2 changes) |
| 04:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Have a clue |
| 04:29.15 | cogwheel | wts access to the chat log |
| 04:29.20 | Xinhuan | lol i see |
| 04:29.33 | Xinhuan | your guide needs a BIG UPGRADE on the FAQ section |
| 04:29.57 | Xinhuan | like how throw the "is there a mod that can target mobs by their raid symbol?" question in it |
| 04:30.19 | Duman | heh |
| 04:30.21 | cogwheel | The macro faq needs an update |
| 04:30.24 | Duman | nah, that's never asked! ever! |
| 04:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel, minor request... when you go back through and edit the posts, uncheck your signature. Leave it on for the first post, but not the subsequent posts. |
| 04:30.53 | cogwheel | i'll try to remember... |
| 04:30.56 | cogwheel | that's a good idea |
| 04:31.01 | Duman | hmm yah |
| 04:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or just double back now |
| 04:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | They'll all have the edit tag anyways, no harm in it |
| 04:31.23 | cogwheel | i don't think editing changes it... |
| 04:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 04:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me, it does, lol |
| 04:31.37 | cogwheel | cool. didn't used to |
| 04:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't count the number of times I've left my sig enabled while trolling on alts ;P |
| 04:31.47 | cogwheel | (and i know that for sure... i've tested a few times) |
| 04:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | If it didn't I'd have a lot more then three trolling toons ;) |
| 04:32.17 | cogwheel | HA! |
| 04:32.31 | cogwheel | fuck |
| 04:32.35 | cogwheel | goddamn post timer |
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| 04:32.42 | cogwheel | kicks in after a certain number of edits |
| 04:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I've noticed that too. :/ |
| 04:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Go back through when you post it and uncheck em' |
| 04:33.25 | cogwheel | goddamnit |
| 04:33.28 | Duman | <08:32PM cogwheel> kicks in after a certain number of edits |
| 04:33.31 | cogwheel | now i forgot to uncheck it again |
| 04:33.31 | Duman | yes, I dunno why |
| 04:33.33 | Duman | it's annoying |
| 04:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:33.53 | Duman | tell them to hurry up and lower the UI forum report timer ;) |
| 04:34.00 | Duman | s/report/repost/ |
| 04:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They should REALLY set a cookie (just with javascript) for the signature enabled box |
| 04:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You got a C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER anyways |
| 04:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:34.38 | cogwheel | you know, i don't like her enough to not report her >:( |
| 04:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:34.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Give her a bit, ask that she deletes it |
| 04:35.01 | Duman | haha |
| 04:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (Just edit the post below it) |
| 04:35.30 | cogwheel | NO EDITS |
| 04:35.37 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you're done. ;P |
| 04:35.44 | cogwheel | just gonna put it in the next one |
| 04:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Works |
| 04:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You know cog, ever since your became an MVP, your profanity here has at least doubled ;) |
| 04:36.40 | cogwheel | I warned you guys |
| 04:36.41 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:36.54 | cogwheel | s/his/purl's/ |
| 04:36.57 | cogwheel | ~logs |
| 04:36.57 | purl | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:39.11 | cogwheel | 20080108 20:45.27cogwheelBTW: now that I can't get on peoples cases you'll see me ranting in here a lot more :P |
| 04:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, I remember that. |
| 04:40.02 | cogwheel | you know what sucks? if two more people interrupt i WILL have to start over :( |
| 04:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I *was* going to post... and say, "Do you like me enough not to report me? ;)" |
| 04:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But now I won't :( |
| 04:40.40 | batrick | cogwheel is up to no good |
| 04:41.16 | Iriel | I ignore the interrupts and get someone to remove them afterwards if they dont remove them themselves, but it screws up the indexing in posts like yours whihc is annoying.. |
| 04:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They should really remove the post timers for MVPs |
| 04:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, they've got a signed piece of paper and clearly trusted you enough to set you apart from the rest of the the forum population |
| 04:42.09 | Duman | ScytheBlade1: that would make too much sense |
| 04:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: exactly |
| 04:42.36 | cogwheel | "piece of paper" being used loosely ;) |
| 04:42.45 | Duman | cog: oh, were you trying to keep them all on the first page or whatever? |
| 04:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought you had to sign something? |
| 04:42.57 | cogwheel | Duman: yeah, it's a continuous guide |
| 04:43.24 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: e-sig worked fine (initials here there, write your name, bday, yadda yadda) |
| 04:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 04:44.43 | Duman | hmm, $2700 to replace my fence that blew over last week |
| 04:44.55 | cogwheel | you in CA? |
| 04:45.01 | Duman | yeah, south bay |
| 04:45.07 | cogwheel | north bay here :) |
| 04:45.07 | Duman | san jose area |
| 04:45.18 | Iriel | fun, and we did get rain today. |
| 04:45.20 | Duman | well, you guys always get rain |
| 04:45.21 | Iriel | Well, up north we did |
| 04:45.27 | Iriel | (SF/ East Bay) |
| 04:45.29 | Duman | it rained a little here... not much tho |
| 04:45.40 | cogwheel | it was mostly drizzly all day here |
| 04:45.45 | Duman | yeah, that |
| 04:46.01 | Duman | the rain-x was plenty to keep the windshield clear on 280 ;) |
| 04:46.05 | cogwheel | intermittent wipers the whole time |
| 04:46.15 | cogwheel | (at non-freeway speeds :P ) |
| 04:46.18 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:46.27 | cogwheel | (not that you actually /go/ freeway speeds around here) |
| 04:46.40 | Duman | depends where and when :) |
| 04:46.49 | Duman | 280 down here is usually empty during my "commute" hours |
| 04:46.57 | Duman | but I don't go in until 9:30/10 |
| 04:47.09 | Duman | assuming I even go in |
| 04:47.29 | Duman | I drive too fast, anyway |
| 04:47.50 | Duman | ahh yes |
| 04:48.01 | Duman | don't have to deal with those ;) |
| 04:48.08 | cogwheel | Iriel: I think of you every time I watch the traffic on the news ... |
| 04:48.13 | cogwheel | seriously |
| 04:48.18 | cogwheel | you have my condolences |
| 04:48.35 | Iriel | Oddly enough yesterday was nice, all the other days have sucked |
| 04:48.51 | Duman | well |
| 04:48.56 | Duman | rain + bay area traffic = WTF |
| 04:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | A haha |
| 04:49.06 | Duman | recipe for headache |
| 04:49.09 | Iriel | Duman: Exactly |
| 04:49.23 | Iriel | Duman: Usually a very bad WTF but it's quite random |
| 04:49.26 | Duman | peopel here just lose their minds when it rains |
| 04:49.34 | Duman | heh yeah |
| 04:49.44 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 04:49.47 | Wobwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.01 | Wobwork | 'extreme mooning' =P |
| 04:50.10 | Duman | goatse, perhaps? :) |
| 04:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | goatse! |
| 04:50.27 | Wobwork | It's a very polite way of describing it =P |
| 04:50.33 | Duman | that image was forever burned into my retinas the first time i saw it, like 10 years ago or whatever |
| 04:50.51 | Wobwork | Mistake number 1: using someone else's photo |
| 04:50.55 | Duman | haha |
| 04:51.01 | Wobwork | mistake number 2: hotlinking the damn thing =P |
| 04:51.30 | Duman | grr, I think I broke my DNS server |
| 04:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Which blog was this? |
| 04:51.55 | Wobwork | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/08/AR2008010804626.html |
| 04:52.04 | Wobwork | I don't think it's specifically named |
| 04:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 04:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | In the same vein.. you seen the one about myspace getting goatse'd? http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000278.html |
| 04:56.04 | Wobwork | "ONCE YOU CLICK, YOU CANNOT UNCLICK." |
| 04:56.08 | Wobwork | It's so very very true |
| 05:00.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Rayne (n=gcittboy@d66-222-203-177.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 05:01.08 | Rayne | cogwheel: I was going to put something like 'Buy this spot for 100$' but I didnt. :P |
| 05:02.40 | Rayne | sorry about that lol |
| 05:05.03 | Wobwork | hm |
| 05:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: the lack of signatures helps a LOT |
| 05:05.24 | Wobwork | Do you realise, that sometime soon, there will be a large fraction of the internet community that have never encountered Goatse? |
| 05:05.35 | cogwheel | i hated the sigs in my old one but... /me points at earlier convo |
| 05:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying, it really helps |
| 05:08.01 | Duman | wow |
| 05:08.04 | cogwheel | just agreeing |
| 05:08.05 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 05:08.12 | cogwheel | emphatically |
| 05:08.24 | Duman | having m.root-servers listed first in my root hint was causing my headache, weird |
| 05:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
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| 05:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, just when I thought people couldn't get any more lazy |
| 05:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "looking fot armorsmith and jew crafter" |
| 05:17.53 | cogwheel | Would you guys remind reporting my threads to be switched? (use the sticky request option) |
| 05:17.59 | cogwheel | s/re// |
| 05:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Not at all |
| 05:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | But what happened to you having "connections"? ;) |
| 05:18.42 | Iriel | he's on paternity leave |
| 05:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That would make sense! |
| 05:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: done |
| 05:19.34 | cogwheel | thanks :) |
| 05:19.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=josh@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 05:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Consider it repentance for 'past sins' ;P (I've posted "C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER" in one of your threads before.. ;)) |
| 05:20.20 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:20.44 | Rayne|InRaid | cogwheel: done. :) |
| 05:22.11 | cogwheel | that was fast :) |
| 05:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, wow |
| 05:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Record timing |
| 05:23.22 | cogwheel | they even put it in the right spot =) |
| 05:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:25.00 | Duman | how long is Slouken out for? |
| 05:25.03 | Duman | 2wks? |
| 05:25.07 | Duman | month? |
| 05:25.57 | Iriel | I dunno, we'll see how long until he misses us |
| 05:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | They should really segment the PTR servers (when they're up). Four total servers, one character copy PvE, one character copy PvP, one premade PvE, and one premade PvP. It would make things so much easier. |
| 05:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | </random> |
| 05:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Just looking at the PTR forums now, and wow, what a mess |
| 05:30.27 | Darlok | does anyone know a good website to order Gold from for WOW? |
| 05:30.53 | Duman | scythe: no kidding |
| 05:30.58 | Duman | they need seperate forums, too :P |
| 05:31.08 | Antiarc | You can email hacks@blizzard.com with your account name, Duman |
| 05:31.14 | Antiarc | They'll send you a list of good sites for gold and hacks |
| 05:31.15 | Duman | it's pretty hard to find some of the actual bug reports in all the shit |
| 05:31.22 | Antiarc | Errl, Darlok |
| 05:31.24 | Duman | ? |
| 05:31.31 | Duman | oh, haha |
| 05:31.59 | Darlok | hehe |
| 05:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | If it gets to be a serious problem, I'd suggest they clone their beta setup for the PTR (beta.wow.com --> ptr.wow.com) and do just that, limit what characters can post on what boards |
| 05:34.25 | cogwheel | Darlok: unless you honestly have no idea that that's completely against the rules and shunned by anyone who has respect for this game, i wouldn't be upset if you got booted just for asking... |
| 05:35.27 | cogwheel | You'd do better for yourself in the long run by leaps and bounds spending your money on a guide |
| 05:35.36 | cogwheel | (though you can find most of the info from free sources) |
| 05:35.52 | cogwheel | (gold making guide, that is) |
| 05:35.57 | Antiarc | lern2dailies, IMO |
| 05:36.22 | Antiarc | I started the Netherwing dailies and made just under 2k gold in a week. <3 |
| 05:36.25 | Rayne|InRaid | oh snap, Burnt Black Cherrys almost at 3K downloads... |
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| 05:57.50 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion shinjiro |
| 05:57.53 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Shinjiro, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/7/46). 18925 HP; 19385 Armour; 590 AP; 141.000 Melee DPS; 11.81% melee crit; 101 melee hit; 30 +spell dmg/heal; 352 defense; 28.55% dodge; 33.46% block; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1350 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2a8t3f ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35zj8e ][ Updated: Fri Jan 11 01:04:09 2008 EST ]] |
| 05:58.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:59.44 | |Jelly| | what's the command to see his shield? |
| 06:02.04 | Rayne|InRaid | 18.9? jesus |
| 06:10.40 | cogwheel | ~seen cowgra |
| 06:10.43 | purl | cowgra <n=Cowgra@c-69-242-237-189.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 45d 8h 5m 11s ago, saying: 'i've been trying to figure out the same thing bleeter'. |
| 06:13.33 | malreth | cogwheel: i'll be out of the state sometime in feb... |
| 06:13.49 | cogwheel | 18-22 |
| 06:16.29 | malreth | i'll be out from the 14th to the 20th... maybe... i think staying a week in new orleans is a bit too long at around $100 a night |
| 06:16.55 | malreth | i'll probably be back sooner |
| 06:19.17 | malreth | what city are you gonna be in? |
| 06:20.26 | cogwheel | not sure if we'll really be available though... we're travelling with my mom-in-law |
| 06:20.37 | cogwheel | and meeting other family there |
| 06:21.10 | malreth | i needs me beer |
| 06:21.12 | cogwheel | spring, tx |
| 06:21.20 | cogwheel | (north of houston) |
| 06:21.21 | malreth | well... i don't *neeed* beer |
| 06:21.21 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 06:21.32 | malreth | ah... i know that place |
| 06:21.46 | malreth | my parent's house is close to cypress |
| 06:22.45 | Rayne|InRaid | !c us kil'jaeden absolutrayne |
| 06:22.49 | ThraeBot | Rayne|InRaid: Absolutrayne, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior (8/7/46). 16224 HP; 17109 Armour; 652 AP; 158.500 Melee DPS; 15.93% melee crit; 33 melee hit; 320 defense; 25.14% dodge; 25.20% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1258 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26upgq ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/327flp ][ Updated: Fri Jan 11 01:29:04 2008 EST ]] |
| 06:22.58 | Rayne|InRaid | thats wrong, still got me with raid buffs |
| 06:22.59 | Rayne|InRaid | gg |
| 06:23.36 | malreth | !vs us kil'jaeden absolutrayne us silver hand kyleigh |
| 06:23.39 | ThraeBot | malreth: Absolutrayne vs Kyleigh! A L70 warrior and a L70 mage square off!; 8/7/46 vs 5/0/56; Absolutrayne wins by 516 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 06:23.44 | malreth | lol! |
| 06:23.49 | End | hah |
| 06:24.16 | batrick | wait wut |
| 06:24.28 | malreth | like... monica lewinsky/bill clinton relation? |
| 06:24.28 | cogwheel | maybe if there's four of us it'll be more motivating ;) |
| 06:24.30 | batrick | either kyleigh is terrible or thraebot is bad |
| 06:24.40 | |Jelly| | 35w & 820n |
| 06:24.50 | malreth | kyleigh has no raid gear |
| 06:24.51 | cogwheel | malreth: no like One leaving chicago at 5 mph going south |
| 06:25.24 | malreth | cogwheel: and the other escaping north from Mexico as fast as possible? |
| 06:25.59 | cogwheel | sounds about right |
| 06:26.05 | malreth | also, kyleigh has like... 5500 hp or something |
| 06:26.08 | malreth | something pitiful |
| 06:26.16 | End | ouch |
| 06:26.18 | Antiarc | wtb pvp vs people with 5500 HP |
| 06:26.20 | malreth | !c us silver hand kyleigh |
| 06:26.21 | ThraeBot | malreth: Kyleigh, Level 70 Human Mage (5/0/56). 5783 HP; 7541 Mana; 176 mana regen; 6 mp5; 151 spell crit; 100 spell hit; 520 +spell dmg/heal; 225 frost dmg (745); 179 shadow dmg (699); 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 708 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqbh3b ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ll78a ][ Updated: Fri Jan 11 01:29:55 2008 EST ]] |
| 06:26.26 | malreth | yeha |
| 06:26.27 | Antiarc | Those are my favorite mages ever |
| 06:26.33 | Antiarc | I look at them and they evaporate |
| 06:26.48 | End | spell damage is low too :P |
| 06:27.09 | End | actually, I misread |
| 06:27.10 | malreth | well... frost spell dmg is 745 |
| 06:27.27 | End | yea |
| 06:27.37 | malreth | she's only ever been to kara once |
| 06:27.40 | End | still not that great, but better than what I thouht it was |
| 06:27.53 | malreth | tomorrow will be the second time |
| 06:29.07 | malreth | i burned out on raiding last year... haven't done anything since |
| 06:29.47 | End | I burned out too, but for me it was more of a need to play a new class than anything else |
| 06:30.41 | malreth | that said, she probably won't try to go beyond kara... maybe gruul's lair maybe |
| 06:48.09 | batrick | !vs us kil'jaeden absolutrayne us destromath batrick |
| 06:48.12 | ThraeBot | batrick: Absolutrayne vs Batrick! A L70 warrior and a L70 mage square off!; 8/7/46 vs 17/0/44; Absolutrayne wins by 402 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 06:48.17 | batrick | bull shit :( |
| 06:52.53 | malreth | !c us destromath batrick |
| 06:52.54 | ThraeBot | malreth: Batrick, Level 70 Undead Mage (17/0/44). 9753 HP; 8741 Mana; 134 mana regen; 245 spell crit; 538 +spell dmg/heal; 4.94% dodge; 262 resilience;[[ TBR: 822 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cuwur ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nz4g6 ][ Updated: Fri Jan 11 01:54:28 2008 EST ]] |
| 06:53.48 | batrick | how does a prot warrior beat a frost mage |
| 06:53.56 | malreth | very slowly |
| 06:53.56 | batrick | bot is broken i tell u! |
| 06:53.58 | malreth | hahah! |
| 06:54.04 | Rayne|InRaid | its all my parry |
| 06:54.12 | batrick | indeed |
| 06:54.15 | malreth | you can't parry bolts of ice! |
| 06:54.28 | malreth | :O |
| 06:54.34 | Rayne|InRaid | I can |
| 06:54.37 | Rayne|InRaid | with my breasticles! |
| 06:54.39 | batrick | hell i can blink from your charge and not worry ;) |
| 06:54.46 | batrick | he might crit me for 400! |
| 06:54.48 | batrick | watch out |
| 06:55.13 | Rayne|InRaid | Actually I could shield slam crit you for about 1900 |
| 06:56.02 | malreth | then i'd ice barrier and bandage up while you stand there swinging at me. :D |
| 06:56.25 | Rayne|InRaid | Id concussion blow you |
| 06:57.25 | malreth | 16k hp is a lot to chew through, tho |
| 06:59.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge frid (n=Fridgid@24.96.171.56) |
| 06:59.16 | batrick | sif |
| 06:59.28 | Rayne|InRaid | its 15.1 actually |
| 07:01.01 | batrick | is iriel 70 yet? |
| 07:01.06 | Iriel | 66 |
| 07:01.18 | batrick | less time coding more time questin! |
| 07:01.20 | Iriel | my warlock is 54 now tho |
| 07:01.27 | batrick | o i hate u :( |
| 07:01.38 | malreth | you don't play as iriel that much... |
| 07:01.48 | malreth | or at least not whenever i usually play |
| 07:01.55 | malreth | also, i don't stalk you |
| 07:02.03 | Iriel | I only have one guild mate who plays on SH much, so i'm not there as often |
| 07:02.03 | End | do you level your warlock a lot? |
| 07:02.14 | End | (relatively speaking) |
| 07:02.41 | Iriel | Not really, I play her when my guild is around, which isn't all that often either |
| 07:02.45 | Iriel | but more than SH at the moment |
| 07:02.48 | End | heh |
| 07:05.20 | Iriel | work, rock band, and mass effect have taken recent tolls on my levelling |
| 07:05.44 | |Jelly| | Anyone having login issues? |
| 07:05.53 | Rayne|InRaid | |Jelly|: I was earlier |
| 07:06.15 | |Jelly| | Hmm. |
| 07:06.15 | batrick | i have a hard time seeing iriel in a rock band |
| 07:06.33 | |Jelly| | Pshaw. I bet he rocks out with his cock out. |
| 07:06.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn|Away (n=nnchatzi@64.180.64.72) |
| 07:07.14 | Rayne|Poker | I should go bump my post in the UI forums one more time tonight |
| 07:07.37 | End | for some reason, when I think of Iriel the old night elf avatar from the old forums still comes to mind :P |
| 07:08.46 | End | (It's not that I don't have some idea what Iriel actually looks like though...) |
| 07:08.47 | batrick | i only see a dinosaur now |
| 07:08.58 | batrick | i think t-rex is fitting for iriel on ui boards |
| 07:09.06 | Iriel | There's always the armory |
| 07:09.09 | End | I don't post/browse forums nearly as much as I used to |
| 07:10.26 | malreth | I wonder if the UI devs could grace us with a pickle() function for serialization? |
| 07:11.34 | malreth | feed it a table, it gives you a string that you can send over a comm channel |
| 07:12.26 | Iriel | sounds like a user library to me! |
| 07:12.33 | End | well, it's not like other people haven't written their own |
| 07:13.01 | Darlok | which directory do i install TITAN PANEL to ? |
| 07:13.01 | malreth | yeah... but they're often library dependent |
| 07:13.19 | malreth | World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns |
| 07:13.24 | Darlok | k thanks |
| 07:13.37 | Darlok | do i need to make a TITANPANEL dir in addons? |
| 07:13.48 | malreth | follow installation instructions that came with the addon |
| 07:14.14 | Darlok | there is no instructions with it |
| 07:14.26 | malreth | whatever site you downloaded it from also probably has instructions on how to install addons |
| 07:15.55 | malreth | Xinhuan: ping |
| 07:15.58 | End | Typically you just drop all the folders in the zip directly into the AddOns folder |
| 07:16.07 | Xinhuan | pong |
| 07:16.21 | malreth | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10763.msg170802#msg170802 |
| 07:16.34 | malreth | "Currently, floating point numbers beyond a certain accuracy (I think 10 digits) will fail to be deserialized back to the original value" |
| 07:16.47 | Xinhuan | what about it? |
| 07:16.48 | malreth | whyy? |
| 07:17.05 | malreth | pretend i don't understand Lua |
| 07:17.07 | Xinhuan | because in aceserializer-3.0, it does a tostring() on it |
| 07:17.09 | malreth | because i don't |
| 07:17.21 | Xinhuan | then on the deserializing end, it does a tonumber() back on it |
| 07:17.22 | malreth | ah-oh |
| 07:17.26 | Xinhuan | so accuracy is limited to 10 digits or so |
| 07:17.36 | Xinhuan | this is different from ace2's acecomm approach |
| 07:17.42 | Xinhuan | which did a math.frexp() on it |
| 07:17.52 | Xinhuan | and then multiplied the return values by 2^53 |
| 07:17.54 | Iriel | but tostring/tonumberi is supposed to preserve sufficient detail to retain the original number |
| 07:17.55 | Xinhuan | to do a leftshift |
| 07:18.04 | Xinhuan | and then do some funky stuff to serialize both numbers |
| 07:18.12 | Xinhuan | then on the receiving end reverse the process |
| 07:18.19 | malreth | that makes sense |
| 07:18.33 | Xinhuan | since in a 64-bit double number, the first 52 bits is used for the number, 11(?) bits for the exponent |
| 07:18.41 | Xinhuan | forgot details anyway |
| 07:18.42 | malreth | yeah... |
| 07:18.49 | malreth | mantessa |
| 07:18.57 | cogwheel | i |
| 07:19.02 | cogwheel | no? |
| 07:19.03 | malreth | which is not a good name for your daughter |
| 07:19.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (i=Elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:19.14 | Xinhuan | well |
| 07:19.30 | Xinhuan | lua> assert(math.pi == tonumber(tostring(math.pi))) |
| 07:19.30 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: [string "assert(math.pi == tonumber(tostring(math.pi..."]:1: assertion failed! |
| 07:19.40 | Xinhuan | lua> assert(1/3 == tonumber(tostring(1/3))) |
| 07:19.40 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: [string "assert(1/3 == tonumber(tostring(1/3)))"]:1: assertion failed! |
| 07:19.45 | Xinhuan | need more proof? :) |
| 07:19.57 | malreth | yeah... |
| 07:20.16 | malreth | so i wonder if the UI crew could add a pickle() function |
| 07:20.25 | End | could? yes. |
| 07:20.26 | malreth | they can call it serialize()/unserialize() |
| 07:20.29 | End | would? probably not. |
| 07:21.41 | Xinhuan | the acecomm method is very excessive, but proven to work and asserts pass |
| 07:21.47 | malreth | mantissa... spelled it wrong... also used wrong... also i'm sleepy and full of alcohol |
| 07:22.12 | End | oh, that explains cogwheel's comment? |
| 07:22.15 | End | 00:18 <+cogwheel> i |
| 07:22.18 | malreth | yes |
| 07:22.20 | cogwheel | :) |
| 07:22.22 | End | the spelling did look wrong |
| 07:22.27 | End | but I had no idea what it was :P |
| 07:22.27 | malreth | cogwheel doesn't drink |
| 07:22.36 | End | cogwheel just grinds gears |
| 07:22.36 | malreth | which makes him smarter than i |
| 07:22.48 | Xinhuan | wheels jams when something gets stuck in it |
| 07:23.12 | malreth | funny thing... mantessa was caught by the spell checker... but i chose to ignore it |
| 07:23.42 | cogwheel | XD |
| 07:23.43 | malreth | i started using sippy cups for my heavy drinking |
| 07:23.50 | cogwheel | that sounds way more wrong than it really is... |
| 07:23.55 | cogwheel | i just don't clean up often :P |
| 07:23.55 | End | heh |
| 07:24.04 | malreth | it's oddly soothing and prevents messy spills |
| 07:24.30 | malreth | "Oh shi-- Oh hey! It didn't spill!" |
| 07:26.47 | batrick | i used dixie cups for my heavy drinking |
| 07:27.53 | Iriel | Or is it packing the digits into some binary format too? |
| 07:29.56 | malreth | well, you smarty smart pants can talk and discuss... i'm gonna go to bed |
| 07:34.48 | End | I think I should probably go to bed too, or at least pretend that's what I'm doing so that it -might- happen. |
| 07:41.03 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what "System.OverflowException" represents in VB? |
| 07:42.37 | Iriel | probably a stack overflow |
| 07:42.58 | Thunder_Child | hmm...doesnt happen with smaller #'s just larger ones |
| 07:43.41 | batrick | integer overflow?? |
| 07:44.07 | Thunder_Child | well it's just simple multiplication so i dunno why it would be foing it |
| 07:44.09 | Thunder_Child | doing* |
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| 07:47.53 | Iriel | Did you overflow a numeric value? |
| 07:50.59 | Thunder_Child | umm...you mean did i have a limit on the value? |
| 07:51.34 | Iriel | no, i mean if it's say an int, did you put more than 2^31-1 in it? |
| 07:52.42 | Thunder_Child | maybe, it was about 7 digits times 7 digits |
| 07:52.51 | Thunder_Child | times 1.08XXX |
| 07:52.56 | Thunder_Child | i forget the rest |
| 07:53.24 | Thunder_Child | and yes it was set to int |
| 07:55.17 | Thunder_Child | huh...i just got invited over to EA for a playtest |
| 07:57.42 | Iriel | Make sure they dont lock the doors behind you and force you to playtest for 80 hours in a row |
| 07:58.05 | Thunder_Child | since it looks like i get to playtest the C&C3 expansion i wont mind |
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| 08:19.58 | Duman | hrm |
| 08:22.10 | wereHamster | Thunder_Child, how do you get these invetations? |
| 08:22.40 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, no idea, although one reason is that i live not to far away from EA's headquarters |
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| 08:24.10 | wereHamster | did you ask them whether you could playtest games? |
| 08:24.16 | Keltset | does anyone know off hand what this means: attempt to concatenate a nil valueattempt to concatenate a nil value (specifically what concatenate is) |
| 08:24.40 | wereHamster | "a".."b" |
| 08:25.09 | wereHamster | lua> a="a"; b="b"; a..b |
| 08:25.09 | lua_bot | wereHamster: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "a="a"; b="b"; a..b"]:1: '=' expected near '..' |
| 08:25.18 | wereHamster | lua> a="a"; b="b"; return a..b |
| 08:25.19 | lua_bot | wereHamster: ab |
| 08:25.27 | wereHamster | lua> a="a"; b=nil; return a..b |
| 08:25.27 | lua_bot | wereHamster: [string "a="a"; b=nil; return a..b"]:1: attempt to concatenate global 'b' (a nil value) |
| 08:25.42 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, i can only imagine at some point i did, or i signed up for a beta and my address matched their filters |
| 08:25.58 | Keltset | ahh I see thank you |
| 08:27.38 | wereHamster | Keltset, if you are unsure whether a variable is nil or not, you can use: |
| 08:27.53 | wereHamster | lua> a="a"; b=nil; return a..(b or "b is nil") |
| 08:27.53 | lua_bot | wereHamster: ab is nil |
| 08:29.57 | Keltset | yeah going to have to find out why this is coming back this way :P |
| 08:29.59 | Keltset | hehe thanks |
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| 08:34.58 | Keltset | Thanks I seem to have solved that issue appreciate the help in my (still.... trying to learn this stuff haha stupid stuff seems to get me alot) |
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| 08:54.58 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i want someone to PL me |
| 08:56.30 | Darlok | hey my Titan Panel doesnt' work with WOW.. does anyone know why? |
| 08:56.32 | Darlok | can someone help me out? |
| 08:56.45 | Thunder_Child | hmm...$80 for 2 X 2GB PC2 6400 Ram seems quite good |
| 08:57.05 | Thunder_Child | i seem to remeber 2gb sticks for more than that |
| 08:58.40 | Thunder_Child | Darlok, how exactly is it not working? |
| 09:00.40 | Darlok | its' not showing up ingame |
| 09:00.49 | Darlok | i do /console reloadui and it's not showing up ingame |
| 09:01.21 | Thunder_Child | does it show up when you first start the game? |
| 09:01.41 | Darlok | nope |
| 09:01.55 | wereHamster | is it enabled? in the character selection screen, bottom left corner, the 'addons' button? |
| 09:01.56 | Thunder_Child | do you have the newest version? |
| 09:02.07 | Darlok | i exctracted to interface/addons and it created a directory called TITAN in there |
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| 09:02.47 | Darlok | yeah 3.1 |
| 09:03.01 | Thunder_Child | well as wereHamster pointed out, if you can see it in the addsons section when in the game it was installed correctly |
| 09:03.06 | Thunder_Child | addons* |
| 09:03.19 | Darlok | i dont see anything with addons |
| 09:03.33 | Thunder_Child | char select screen, bottom left... |
| 09:03.39 | Thunder_Child | little buttons that says addons |
| 09:04.04 | Thunder_Child | like http://www.deathsquirrels.com/images/addonw9.jpg |
| 09:04.07 | Thunder_Child | bottom left |
| 09:04.07 | Duman | if you just installed it, exit the game and re-run |
| 09:04.22 | wereHamster | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/618/ - click on 'install guide', they have quite well described how to install addons |
| 09:04.27 | Darlok | it says out of date |
| 09:04.36 | Duman | so check 'load out of date addons' |
| 09:04.36 | Thunder_Child | check the out of date button |
| 09:04.39 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 09:04.51 | Thunder_Child | that button really pisses me off.... |
| 09:04.58 | Duman | or use FuBar ;) |
| 09:05.22 | wereHamster | FuBar won't solve the 'out of date' issue! |
| 09:05.42 | Darlok | k |
| 09:06.05 | Thunder_Child | but it will solve the FuBar > Titan problem |
| 09:06.46 | Duman | hehe |
| 09:07.32 | Thunder_Child | though one must give props to titan for coming up with the idea |
| 09:29.21 | Thunder_Child | you know i wish diff classes wouldnt reuse icons...when i switch between my mage and hunter the blink icon is the same as the distracting shot icon....it's really iritating |
| 09:31.20 | Duman | heh |
| 09:31.35 | Duman | "Ahh, shit I just popped Retaliation... oh, wait.. that's Riposte..." |
| 09:31.43 | Duman | well, the other way is worse |
| 09:32.03 | Duman | "Oh, Riposte is up.. CRAP that wasn't Riposte" |
| 09:32.31 | Duman | ..not that Retaliation is even on my main bar, but you get the idea |
| 09:33.04 | Thunder_Child | mine are on the same bar...if in diff spots |
| 09:36.20 | wereHamster | I would be surprised if the were on the same bar and the same spot.. |
| 09:38.53 | Thunder_Child | same bar, 4 spot diff |
| 09:39.05 | Thunder_Child | hell i could put it there, not much of a diff |
| 09:40.12 | Duman | you could put them on your main bar an dhave it change to the appropriate one based on stance ;) |
| 09:40.39 | Thunder_Child | neither my hunter not mage have stances |
| 09:41.01 | Thunder_Child | unless you mean fighting/runing to be stances |
| 09:41.03 | Duman | oh by "mine" you meant blink and dstracting shot |
| 09:41.04 | Duman | <- slow |
| 09:41.07 | Duman | wlel |
| 09:41.08 | Duman | <- tired |
| 09:41.11 | Duman | on that note |
| 09:41.13 | Duman | night :) |
| 09:41.18 | Thunder_Child | night Duman |
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| 12:10.26 | Darlok | whats the best dungeon for a lvl 34 to goto and still gain xp? |
| 12:15.13 | Darlok | srosh |
| 12:15.14 | Darlok | u there? |
| 12:15.27 | Srosh | Hm. |
| 12:15.36 | nevcairiel | Darlok: sm? |
| 12:15.37 | Darlok | which dungeon is the best for a lvl 34 priest? |
| 12:15.46 | Darlok | i dont know is that a good dungeon? |
| 12:16.33 | Srosh | Since the recent patch any dungeon in your level range is good, I guess. |
| 12:17.13 | Darlok | k thnx |
| 12:18.02 | phetips | Darlok: what makes you say that? |
| 12:18.10 | phetips | when i was lvl 48 BRD was in my LFM list |
| 12:18.38 | phetips | * Darlok = Srosh |
| 12:19.02 | Srosh | Was that before or after patch 2.3? |
| 12:21.03 | phetips | after |
| 12:21.08 | phetips | i'm only lvl 55 now :) |
| 12:21.28 | Srosh | Well, then Blizz sucks. |
| 12:29.37 | |pez| | Woo, boyfriend is all happy now, he's gotten his epic land mount XD |
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| 12:37.52 | phetips | woot |
| 12:38.01 | phetips | i'm lvl 55 now on my main |
| 12:38.10 | phetips | and i'm worth -300g ;P |
| 12:38.13 | phetips | note the - |
| 12:38.23 | phetips | never gonna get that epic mount before 70 ;p |
| 12:38.30 | |pez| | hihi |
| 12:38.46 | |pez| | I did battlegrounding and Org rep grinding (in AV) for my mount. |
| 12:38.55 | phetips | hm |
| 12:38.58 | phetips | how much you need for that? |
| 12:39.01 | phetips | i like AV |
| 12:39.26 | phetips | i spent all the money i earned from lvl 10 on JC =.= |
| 12:39.33 | phetips | i got 340 now though :) |
| 12:39.45 | phetips | *from lvl 10 till lvl 55 |
| 12:39.56 | |pez| | Well, you deliver armor scraps and blood for reputation, and ou need 30 AV, AB and WSG marks to get a PvP epic mount. |
| 12:40.09 | |pez| | I have JC, never spent that much. :o |
| 12:41.03 | |pez| | aanyway, I'll be going to go get some more of my medication, drive the boyfriend to the buss, and talk to people about some moneys. |
| 12:41.14 | phetips | yeah this is my highest lvl char, so i have to buy all the mats that are too high for me to farm |
| 12:41.21 | phetips | 340 is pretty high for a lvl 55 i reckon |
| 12:41.23 | phetips | or isn't it? |
| 12:41.29 | |pez| | Oh, it is. |
| 12:41.39 | |pez| | I have like 280ish on mine, and I'm lvl 61 |
| 12:41.50 | phetips | 290-300 is a bitch |
| 12:42.30 | phetips | allright |
| 12:42.31 | phetips | g'day :) |
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| 14:10.31 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
| 14:10.46 | Lopeppeppy | Hi. |
| 14:12.07 | End | rawr |
| 14:12.13 | Lunessa | I got your note, and /friend-ed you. |
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| 14:13.27 | Lopeppeppy | It's always more fun to stalk people when they know about it, and are ascair't! |
| 14:17.53 | Lunessa | oooo... stalker-ific! |
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| 14:18.39 | End | hmm, my friend is getting terran, tauren and tarren mixed up :P |
| 14:18.39 | Kalroth | Wait, it's not a proper stalk if I say I'm doing it, right? |
| 14:18.55 | Kalroth | End: Tauren Mill? |
| 14:19.03 | End | he said that at first |
| 14:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | End, add in the proper name Taryn for kicks. |
| 14:19.11 | End | Lopeppeppy: good plan! |
| 14:19.20 | Kalroth | End: Do /me yourself! |
| 14:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | Kalroth, it's your stalking, you decide how would be most "proper" to accompish it. |
| 14:19.32 | End | Kalroth: No! |
| 14:19.46 | Kalroth | Lopeppeppy: Well I'm not a very good stalker, I don't even know where to begin. |
| 14:19.57 | End | his response was "Karren Mill, son of General Mills" |
| 14:20.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Instead of waiting in the bushes, let yourself in the front door, make some coco and wait. Turn the lights down and play some soft music... |
| 14:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | Karen Will what the general? |
| 14:20.30 | End | "hmm. I want to hop on [Defense] and yell about how General Mills is under attack" |
| 14:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you show deeply-rooted promise. :) |
| 14:21.18 | Lunessa | Like the sign says, "We aim to please... " |
| 14:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be sure to stand still and be a "good" target. |
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| 14:23.40 | malreth | wheeee!!! |
| 14:23.42 | malreth | ~meetings |
| 14:23.43 | purl | meetings are the practical alternative to work |
| 14:23.51 | End | ~unproductivity |
| 14:23.51 | purl | yay! |
| 14:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | I second that, malreth. |
| 14:24.53 | Lunessa | Meetings are the work of Satan. |
| 14:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | With my sheeple this week, I totally agree! |
| 14:26.21 | Lunessa | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080111 |
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| 14:34.06 | Lunessa | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp01112008.shtml |
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| 14:39.07 | Lunessa | I've had that exact moment. |
| 14:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | Never done the walk-in, but surely done the whole rest. |
| 14:44.55 | Lunessa | I walked in on one of my ex-girlfriends (fiancee actually) doing the deed with someone that I thought was my friend. |
| 14:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | Am I the only one who thinks that self-restraint is NOT about handcuffs? *hug* |
| 14:45.51 | Lunessa | *hug* Self-restraint, I has it. |
| 14:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | Self-Restraint, WTB in a convenient package to give away to others. |
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| 14:47.04 | Lunessa | those /are/ called hand-cuffs. |
| 14:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Woops. |
| 14:48.45 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/10/funny-pictures-itty-bitty-living-space/ |
| 14:49.20 | Wobin_ | I have to admit |
| 14:49.32 | Wobin_ | the lolcat builder has revolutionised the lolcat generation process |
| 14:49.46 | Wobin_ | no longer do you need basic photoshop skills to add to the wonder that is lolcat |
| 14:50.27 | Lunessa | ture. |
| 14:50.32 | Lunessa | true |
| 14:51.07 | Wobin_ | plus, the 'random lolcat' link is a brilliant thing |
| 14:51.11 | Wobin_ | I can click that forever |
| 14:51.24 | Wobin_ | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/31/maccat/#top |
| 14:53.15 | Wobin_ | although the comments are an abomination against man |
| 14:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | They usually are. |
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| 15:00.06 | Industrial | Is there an addon that lets me save or look at certain item sets? |
| 15:00.20 | Industrial | eg "what would my char screen look like with t6" |
| 15:00.29 | Industrial | or pvp armor etc |
| 15:00.30 | Industrial | :> |
| 15:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | WoWEquip does some awesomesauce things. |
| 15:01.21 | Xinhuan | hello :) |
| 15:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 15:01.42 | |pez| | sometimes, I'm reaaaally glad my car has had a beating before. Let's me annoy less when it gets another small bump. :P |
| 15:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | I like a car with character... If I buy something I'm going to frazzle about a dent, I feel like I've done something wrong. |
| 15:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Parking lot dings don't make one a bad driver, just a bad parker. :) |
| 15:03.27 | Lunessa | True that. |
| 15:03.56 | |pez| | this is more a case of stupid people cramping me up in a small space when I'm about to enter my own driveway, which is extremly small and tedious to get trough in the first place. |
| 15:04.22 | Lunessa | malreth: you lazy bum, have you flicker'ed the pictures of the meetup? |
| 15:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | I had that a lot in Springfield and Boston. I will drive soooo far out of my way for a parking space that I don't have to shoe-horn. |
| 15:05.36 | Legorol | morning |
| 15:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oops. Scared him right away, I did. |
| 15:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Legorol. |
| 15:06.54 | Legorol | excuse my ignorance please, but can someone explain to me what does putting an "!" in front of a spell name in a macro do? |
| 15:07.11 | Legorol | i trawled the stickies on UI forum and don't see a good explanation :( |
| 15:07.12 | Lunessa | If the spell is a toggle, the ! tells the macro only to turn it on. |
| 15:09.10 | Lunessa | for example, the new Ice Block is a toggle. |
| 15:09.40 | Lunessa | do if my macro says #showtooltip /stopcasting /cast !Ice Block |
| 15:09.52 | Lunessa | I'll only turn Ice Block on, not off. |
| 15:10.20 | Legorol | aha |
| 15:10.40 | Legorol | i'm a bit confused about the following simple hunter macro i see in many places: |
| 15:10.41 | Legorol | /castsequence Steady Shot, !Auto Shot |
| 15:10.51 | Legorol | apparently it's for hunter shot-rotation |
| 15:11.03 | Legorol | but if all that !Auto Shot does is turn it on, why bother with a castsequence? |
| 15:11.21 | Lunessa | Hell if I know. |
| 15:11.23 | Legorol | auto shot fires all the time by itself anyway, so you just turn it on once, and leave it for the rest of the fight, no? |
| 15:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | So you can spam Steady Shot without accidentally canceling Auto Sot. |
| 15:11.27 | Lunessa | I don't use one on my hunter. |
| 15:11.44 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: why don't you just simply spam your steady shot ability then? |
| 15:11.52 | Legorol | why do you have to have the !Auto Shot with it in a castsequence? |
| 15:12.04 | Legorol | auto shots will happen regardles.. |
| 15:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | If you're not super careful with timing in shot rotations (latency, etc) you can get off-center and accidentally wind up missing an Auto Shot. Or so I understand from reading the hunter forums. |
| 15:12.39 | Legorol | that doesn't make sense, sorry |
| 15:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | So therefore, this macro will make sure you don't somehow accidentally miss an Auto Shot in your rotation. *shrug* |
| 15:12.42 | Lunessa | If you /castsequence, it'll turn off... /cast Auto Shot, Steady Shot |
| 15:13.14 | Legorol | once you turn autoshot on, it stays on... there is no way to "miss" one, only to delay one if you time your steady shot wrong |
| 15:13.47 | Legorol | i fully understand why /castsequence Steady Shot, Auto Shot (without the !) is undesirable |
| 15:14.01 | Legorol | but i don't understand why you need to have Auto Shot present in a macro in the first place |
| 15:14.02 | Lunessa | Auto Shot is a toggle, and a sequence resets to the beginning when it gets to the end. |
| 15:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | And they just wanted the bang so that they could use it safely, I guess. |
| 15:14.10 | Legorol | Lunessa: that's not the issue at hand |
| 15:14.30 | Legorol | let's take a 10 minute fight: i turn on auto shot at the start, it stays on, it will always fire |
| 15:14.37 | Legorol | it's a turn-on-and-forget thing |
| 15:14.43 | Legorol | why would i want it to appear in any macro, whatsoever? |
| 15:15.32 | Legorol | not to mention that firing a Steady Shot automatically turns on your auto shot in the first place |
| 15:15.37 | Legorol | (if it's not already on) |
| 15:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | I never try to figure out why someone else wants something.... it's too complex. Hunters wanted it, they've got the ability now. |
| 15:16.04 | nevcairiel | you want to place it in a macro so you can spam that macro, and use it to pass time |
| 15:16.15 | Legorol | ok i'll trawl the hunter forum, maybe i'll a) understand what they want b) figure out that they are wrong |
| 15:16.23 | Legorol | one of those two possibilities ;-) |
| 15:16.35 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i don't understand |
| 15:16.42 | nevcairiel | go read forums :) |
| 15:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Or both. I never choose A versus B. |
| 15:16.56 | Legorol | i will, but please elaborate on the "to pass time" statement |
| 15:17.02 | Legorol | i know how shot cycles work, i have a hunter |
| 15:17.14 | Legorol | i don't understand why you want a macro to "pass time" |
| 15:17.19 | krka | Legorol: i read a document on that before, and it seems logical |
| 15:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | Mindless farming for the win? |
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| 15:18.06 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: i'm sure it's related to synchronizing auto-shot cycle with steady shot, not as in passing real life time |
| 15:18.41 | Lopeppeppy | Could be both. *grin* |
| 15:19.17 | Lunessa | *shrug* If my hunter ever gets past 40, maybe I'll care. |
| 15:20.10 | |pez| | I hate my luck. Today I need to get a hold of a friend, who is usually always online. But obviously not when I need him.>_> |
| 15:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | My huntar is at 42, it's been hard to pick her back up. |
| 15:20.42 | Legorol | *sigh* hunter forum is like everything else always in life: |
| 15:21.02 | Legorol | people talk about "current" and "changed" stuff, but they always forget to mention the basics, or how it was like before that they are comparing to |
| 15:21.09 | Lunessa | Remember the ancient Chinese wisdom "And this too shall pass." |
| 15:22.03 | Legorol | ok i think i will ask a more relevant question than that you guys probably do know the answer to ;-) |
| 15:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or the ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times." |
| 15:22.26 | Legorol | as far as i understand it, a /castsequence doesn't advance until the spell is successfully cast, right? |
| 15:22.33 | Legorol | so for example /castsequence Fireball, Scorch |
| 15:22.53 | Legorol | if i keep mashing it every 0.2 seconds, it will do one Fireball, and move on to Scorch when it's finished with the Fireball, then back etc. |
| 15:22.56 | Legorol | is that correct? |
| 15:23.24 | Lunessa | No. |
| 15:23.34 | Lunessa | Well, mostly |
| 15:23.40 | Legorol | please elaborate :) |
| 15:23.53 | Lunessa | A sequence will not advance if one spell /fails/ to cast. |
| 15:23.54 | Legorol | or if you like, consider /castsequence Fireball, Frostbolt |
| 15:24.06 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 15:24.31 | Legorol | so the first time i press it, it starts casting Fireball, and sequence moves on to Scorch, and as i keep mashing it, since fireball is still casting, scorch keeps failing, so it stays on Scorch |
| 15:24.34 | Legorol | is that a better description? |
| 15:24.40 | Lunessa | yes. |
| 15:24.45 | Legorol | right |
| 15:24.51 | Lunessa | That more-or-less accurately matches reality |
| 15:25.03 | Legorol | so as soon as fireball succeeds, Scorch is cast, the sequence moves back to start |
| 15:25.20 | Legorol | and subsequent mashing will attempt to cast fireball |
| 15:25.33 | Legorol | (which will initially fail due to GCD triggered by Scorch presumably) |
| 15:25.53 | Legorol | all right, now that's clarified, i'd like to move on to the next question related to castsequence: |
| 15:26.10 | Legorol | what about toggle-able actions such as auto shot and auto attack |
| 15:26.24 | Legorol | if they appear in the sequence, when are they considered to have succeeded? |
| 15:26.35 | Legorol | when you successfully toggle it on, or when the action actually happens |
| 15:26.38 | Legorol | example for mage: |
| 15:26.57 | Legorol | /castsequence Fireball, !Attack (or whatever the name of the melee attack is) |
| 15:27.35 | Legorol | when the sequence is on !Attack, will it toggle it on and immediately move to Fireball, or will it stay on !Attack until your character actually swings and hits |
| 15:28.09 | sysrage | lol @ melee attack as a mage |
| 15:28.30 | Legorol | sysrage: i'm discussing macro theory, i don't care about the actualities of its usefulness |
| 15:28.34 | sysrage | heh i know |
| 15:28.36 | sysrage | just funny |
| 15:28.49 | sysrage | and i don't know the answer, so i had to lol |
| 15:28.52 | Legorol | it's a good example though ;-) because it will help me get to understand what hunters are doing |
| 15:30.00 | Lunessa | legrol - for attack, I'm not positive. I prefer not to use it in a macro, I use /startattack instead. |
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| 15:30.42 | Legorol | Lunessa: sure that's the smart and practical thing to do, but that's not what my question was. |
| 15:30.47 | Lunessa | For Auto Shot, i believe you're correct. |
| 15:30.48 | krka | you'll find that legorols discussions rarely involve anything about practicality or usefulness :) |
| 15:30.54 | Legorol | exactly |
| 15:30.57 | sysrage | lol |
| 15:31.08 | Legorol | it's about complete understanding and coverage |
| 15:31.09 | malreth | Lunessa: no i haven't posted pictures of the meetup |
| 15:31.27 | Lunessa | ~lart malreth |
| 15:31.27 | purl | beats malreth into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 15:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, it's a game! |
| 15:32.38 | malreth | yes it is... |
| 15:32.58 | malreth | this is fun! |
| 15:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | Er.... Ever read The Yellow Wallpaper? I'll totally creep out and get you. |
| 15:35.43 | Lunessa | never heard of it. |
| 15:37.03 | Lopeppeppy | It's a short story... let me find reference. |
| 15:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_Wallpaper |
| 15:39.13 | Lunessa | That sounds creepy. |
| 15:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | It's incredibly well written, and very gothic-creepy. I recommend it, it's a fast read if you find it in a lit compilation at a bookstore. |
| 15:41.54 | krka | you shouldn't eat yellow wallpaper |
| 15:42.20 | Lunessa | I once wrote a short piece about the sensations of a rapist/killer at the moment of his crime - and while it was, to me, a well written piece, the professor didn't like it. |
| 15:42.56 | krka | maybe it needed more cowbell |
| 15:43.09 | Lunessa | Yeah, it should have had more cowbell. |
| 15:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | It can be hard for professors to accept a well-written piece if the subject matter violates taboos. I've seen some very well crafted extreme-topic items. |
| 15:44.58 | Lunessa | We were supposed to be writing "for effect" and I wrote a 500-word piece. She just didn't think it was a "valid use of class time/effort." |
| 15:45.21 | malreth | task 1 - create new user account done |
| 15:45.31 | malreth | task 2 - generate new TA station passwords done |
| 15:45.36 | Lunessa | I dropped. I took the honors English class instead next semester. |
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| 15:45.45 | malreth | task 3 - replace desktop wallpaper on every machine in this building... |
| 15:45.47 | malreth | uh... |
| 15:45.59 | Lunessa | SMS and GHOST for the win? |
| 15:46.22 | malreth | can't ghost... these machines are all lab computers and we're in production |
| 15:46.49 | Lunessa | Group Policy? |
| 15:47.14 | malreth | also, it's a mix of Macs and PCs... none are bound to an AD |
| 15:47.28 | malreth | also, none of the PCs have the SMS client installed |
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| 15:47.42 | malreth | make it happen, malreth... be snappy! |
| 15:47.52 | malreth | Strategic Communications wants this done by last week! |
| 15:47.56 | Lunessa | Wow. Someone in your department /hates/ you. |
| 15:48.03 | malreth | we get this all the time |
| 15:48.27 | malreth | stratcom thinks that displaying propaganda on the lab desktop wallpaper is the best way to get a message across |
| 15:48.58 | malreth | oh... and isn't that such an Orwellian sounding name for a department? Strategic Communications. |
| 15:49.17 | malreth | i love how this organization works! |
| 15:50.04 | Lunessa | malreth: We sync screen-savers for lab machines to our campus PPT display. |
| 15:50.30 | malreth | i've got a trick with Radmind that i use to push wallpaper out |
| 15:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | My parent office is now Office of Communications, we USED to be Strategic Communications.... |
| 15:50.56 | malreth | my cow-orker has a similar method with PCRdist that he'll do for the PC side of things |
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| 15:53.35 | malreth | the annoying thing is that i pushed out updates for this building on monday |
| 15:53.50 | malreth | and even though stratcom wanted the wallpaper up on monday |
| 15:53.57 | malreth | they only just today sent me the graphic |
| 15:54.12 | malreth | now i gotta push another update just for one file |
| 15:55.27 | Lunessa | bach |
| 15:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | "Do it yesterday" is just too much fun for some people. |
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| 16:06.19 | malreth | i always love task 4 |
| 16:07.03 | cogwheel | NO U! |
| 16:07.17 | malreth | UNO! |
| 16:07.29 | cogwheel | DRAW 4!!!! MUAHAHAHA |
| 16:07.40 | malreth | noes!!! |
| 16:07.42 | cogwheel | umm... shit... i have all the colors :( |
| 16:08.00 | Lopeppeppy | I have an ace of spades. That's not useful here. |
| 16:08.06 | malreth | green 5 |
| 16:08.15 | cogwheel | red 5 |
| 16:08.23 | malreth | red 2 |
| 16:08.31 | cogwheel | wait... |
| 16:08.41 | cogwheel | u had uno |
| 16:08.52 | malreth | no i didn't that's a lie |
| 16:08.56 | malreth | <_< |
| 16:08.58 | malreth | >_> |
| 16:09.00 | cogwheel | you lied about uno |
| 16:09.02 | cogwheel | 2 cards! |
| 16:09.21 | malreth | i call it NUCLEAR UNO |
| 16:12.45 | Lunessa | When I was a club DJ, I used to say, "Guys, get your hands out from under the table. That's not /gum./ |
| 16:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEEEWWWW! |
| 16:15.06 | Lunessa | ROFL |
| 16:16.10 | cogwheel | i can't believe how whiny people are being about the /castsequence bug... they' act like it's been around for months with absolutely no response from blizz one way or another |
| 16:16.53 | Lunessa | Lots of people still want the game to play itself for them. |
| 16:17.39 | Lopeppeppy | And they *hate* when they have to pay attention. |
| 16:17.51 | Lunessa | And oddly, I farmed with a /castsequence for /hours/ yesterday (curse you Primal Air, CuRse you!) and I didn't see it at ALL. |
| 16:18.20 | malreth | i hate farming for primal air |
| 16:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | I think part of it is in PEBKAC and latency, honestly, which makes it uber hard to pin down and kill. |
| 16:22.48 | malreth | however, i do agree with what one whiner said... why didn't this get caught either through QA or on the PTR? |
| 16:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | A bug that is not consistent and easily reproduced is the one MOST likely not to get caught and/or fixed. |
| 16:24.27 | End | how many people actually use macros on the ptr? |
| 16:25.02 | cogwheel | no one gives a shit about the ptr unless they have ZOMGPREMADEZZ!!!! |
| 16:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | And then they only want to get into the ZOMG NEW GEAR DUNGEON! |
| 16:25.33 | Lunessa | I never go there /hangs head in shame/ because I'm too busy playing to go test. |
| 16:25.36 | End | There was premades, but most people don't make macros for new characters initially :P |
| 16:26.01 | End | anyways, my point is, macros don't get much exposure on ptr |
| 16:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | I usually test, but very lightly... enough to see if the addons I'm using work, report any errors to the authors, poke a bit at the new stuff. I never bother to copy my macros. |
| 16:26.22 | End | I test my addons |
| 16:26.29 | End | but that's about it |
| 16:26.40 | Lunessa | <-- doesn't release anything that usually needs testing. |
| 16:27.00 | Lukian | Lunessa, are you referring to castsequence getting stuck? |
| 16:27.11 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 16:27.24 | Lukian | happens to me all the time on my paladin |
| 16:27.32 | Lunessa | It never got stuck for me. In 5 hours of farming the plateau. |
| 16:27.41 | Lukian | simpliest macro ever. /castsequence reset=10 Holy Shield, Judgement |
| 16:27.47 | End | it only seems to get stuck if you are out of range |
| 16:27.51 | End | or something similar |
| 16:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | As I understand it, there's been a bug with Judgement for a while now. |
| 16:28.38 | Lukian | If I manually press judgement it advances :? |
| 16:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty much what I've heard around, Lukian. Manually executing whatever spell a /castsequence gets stuck on will often clear the "stuck". |
| 16:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | Knowing which spell to manually clear on a complex cast sequence... priceless. |
| 16:30.22 | End | my macro with the castsequence actually already specificly has a condition where it resets itself :P |
| 16:30.35 | Lukian | haha, #showtooltip ftw, assuming the macro isn't convoluted enough to break that ;) |
| 16:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | Or End's solution, of course. |
| 16:31.04 | Lukian | End, yeah? |
| 16:31.06 | End | I added it to combat my spell getting resist, but hey, whatever :P |
| 16:31.21 | End | it's just modifier or right click casting |
| 16:31.31 | End | it's not automagic, but it's easy for me to use |
| 16:31.40 | Lukian | yeah I'm thinking about adding a modifer override |
| 16:33.20 | malreth | well, i bet that internal QA has now added an out-of-range test to their manifest of things to check before vetting a release |
| 16:34.36 | End | yeah, it's likely their macro tests are entirely within range |
| 16:34.53 | End | (until now) |
| 16:35.05 | Lukian | my stuck particularly seems to happen when I shield, enter combat, then try to judge. |
| 16:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | The paladin-stuck-mode made me trash my macros and go back to clicking buttons for combat. *sadpanda* |
| 16:35.59 | Lukian | so yeah, there's a range change in there, but whether that's the issue, I don't know |
| 16:37.08 | Lukian | Lopeppeppy, It's particularly annoying because being freshly geared as a heroic tank I need to keep holy shield up for uncrushability :) |
| 16:37.12 | End | I seem to be able to reproduce it by trying to use my macro out of range, the problem is probably bigger than that |
| 16:37.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, that's gonna be a very sucky thing without the extra /castsequence fun, Lukian. |
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| 16:42.06 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly| ! |
| 16:43.51 | |Jelly| | no reason to hide |
| 16:44.06 | |Jelly| | I just woke up to a power outage and then I have a lot of crap on my mind. :P |
| 16:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda like the Netherwing dailys. Lets me hit tab, spam scorch/fireball, and read the news in the morning. |
| 16:46.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Boring dailys ftw? |
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| 17:04.47 | Lunessa | cogwheel: What part of the Lone Star State will you be in, during Feb? |
| 17:05.25 | cogwheel | Spring |
| 17:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. February. Forgot about that. |
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| 17:06.06 | malreth | ok... task 3 took a lot longer than it should have... |
| 17:06.19 | malreth | but that's okay... i get paid all the same regardless |
| 17:06.22 | |Jelly| | I might have to make another trip down south. :P |
| 17:06.25 | malreth | task 4! finally! |
| 17:06.34 | malreth | i get to spend half a million dollars |
| 17:06.38 | malreth | wheeeee!!!!!! |
| 17:06.40 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Sweet. Spring is "just across town" - beer! |
| 17:07.23 | malreth | i love speccing new hardware! |
| 17:07.56 | cogwheel | Lunessa: not sure how available i'll be... The Mrs. and I are travelling with her mom to meet other family so i don't know if we'll have an opportunity to escape... |
| 17:08.09 | Lunessa | GAH! IN-LAWS |
| 17:08.11 | cogwheel | but... 5 days... |
| 17:08.17 | cogwheel | you never know :) |
| 17:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | Do not provoke in-law aggro! |
| 17:08.32 | cogwheel | Oh, I have great in-law rep... |
| 17:08.33 | |Jelly| | IMO find out ... and let me know. |
| 17:08.36 | cogwheel | I'm the "Good Son" |
| 17:08.39 | Lopeppeppy | But you might be able to say, "Hey, I have a chance to hang with some friends on Friday, if there's something you'd like to do for parent-bonding without me." |
| 17:08.50 | |Jelly| | You could go from exalted to hated PDQ though, Cog. :P |
| 17:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm tanking my own in-law rep daily... it's fun in a dangerously slippery slope way. |
| 17:09.31 | Lunessa | cog, I promise - nothing that will get you in legal, ethical, or moral trouble. |
| 17:09.42 | |pez| | my mother in law loves me to bits. |
| 17:09.57 | |pez| | mother in law being the mother of the boyfriend, who I am not actually married to.. |
| 17:10.05 | Lunessa | So.. the boyfriend is actually the husband |pez| ? |
| 17:10.12 | Lunessa | ahh |
| 17:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | My in laws used to love me.... |
| 17:10.23 | |pez| | Nuh, but motherin law is easier to say than "mother of the boyfriend" or something. |
| 17:10.29 | cogwheel | The more ppl the easier it will be to justify, imo :) |
| 17:11.09 | |pez| | She loves me to bits though, cause I make him treat his diabetes better than he used to. |
| 17:11.21 | |Jelly| | Hmm. Houston Trip Round Two: THIS TEIM, IT'S PERSONAL! lol |
| 17:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, it's a bit far for me to fly, or I'd add to the pile. |
| 17:11.50 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Well, we could make malreth drive down. |
| 17:12.03 | Lunessa | THen you could say someone is driving 2 hours to visit you. |
| 17:12.16 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 17:12.28 | malreth | i'll be driving back from LA, tho |
| 17:12.34 | cogwheel | eeew |
| 17:12.37 | malreth | we could stop by on the way |
| 17:12.48 | malreth | dunno.. |
| 17:13.05 | Lopeppeppy | ...on the way .... |
| 17:13.13 | malreth | Louisana |
| 17:13.20 | malreth | louisiana |
| 17:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | Vaguely on the way then, ya. |
| 17:13.25 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It's on the way |
| 17:13.39 | Lunessa | He has to take I-10 |
| 17:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | When your road trip numbers in the days, everything is on the way in the end. |
| 17:13.54 | cogwheel | LA = Los Angeles to me... |
| 17:13.58 | |Jelly| | Peppy should come too imo. |
| 17:14.05 | malreth | actually, that might not be a bad idea since it'd divide the trip across two days |
| 17:14.16 | malreth | i could visit my parents |
| 17:14.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm too far away for easy commute, Jelly, and going to visit boys when I'm having problems with my own boy = not wise. |
| 17:14.32 | malreth | yes... unwise |
| 17:14.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not paying for marriage counseling just to tank it all to hell! :) |
| 17:14.38 | |Jelly| | So bring your boy. lol |
| 17:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Frell on toast, that would be fun |Jelly|. Not. |
| 17:15.01 | |Jelly| | ~shrug |
| 17:15.02 | purl | go. to. sleep. |
| 17:15.08 | |Jelly| | wait. no |
| 17:15.32 | malreth | rats... i've only spent $66,120. i'm underbudget. |
| 17:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's not good, malreth. Always ride your budget right to the edge, or they cut you next year. |
| 17:16.14 | malreth | i know |
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| 17:16.46 | Lunessa | malreth: pad your budget with my sonstlancy fees. |
| 17:16.50 | Lunessa | *consultancy |
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| 17:17.42 | |Jelly| | Then consult with (and pay) meh! |
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| 17:21.32 | malreth | forgot to add a new server to the quote... |
| 17:22.53 | malreth | it's interesting that apple only provides two SATA drive size options for their XServe... 80GB x3 (too small) or 1TB x3 (this chair is too big) |
| 17:23.08 | |Jelly| | My spoon is too big. |
| 17:23.13 | malreth | guess it's terabyte drives then |
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| 17:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | My apartment is too small. |
| 17:23.54 | |Jelly| | I always have room for a gnome, Peppy. ;) |
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| 17:25.00 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: no spoon |
| 17:25.05 | art3mis | malreth: 3tb isnt too big |
| 17:25.07 | malreth | 2 TB of raid 5 storage... |
| 17:25.09 | |Jelly| | MY SPOON IS TOO BIG! |
| 17:25.20 | malreth | it's only a lab file server |
| 17:25.28 | Esamynn|Work | hehe |
| 17:25.45 | art3mis | and a media server and newsgroup storage and redundant ghost image storage server |
| 17:25.47 | art3mis | ;) |
| 17:25.49 | Esamynn|Work | I find it a little strange that there is nothing between those 2 extemes |
| 17:25.52 | art3mis | think man! |
| 17:25.58 | malreth | it'll hold maybe... 500 gb throughout it's lifespan |
| 17:25.58 | art3mis | you can justify 3tb! |
| 17:26.10 | |Jelly| | pr0n |
| 17:26.17 | malreth | i can easily justify more than 160gb of storage |
| 17:26.26 | art3mis | 3tb isnt enough for pr0n ;) |
| 17:26.38 | malreth | 2 tb... it's raid 5 |
| 17:26.43 | art3mis | okay |
| 17:26.48 | art3mis | 2tb isnt enough for pr0n |
| 17:26.54 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 17:27.27 | malreth | oh well... not my problem. |
| 17:27.50 | malreth | gief me sum tarabite drivez |
| 17:27.56 | malreth | i has them |
| 17:27.57 | |Jelly| | Wait. You're trying to spend money but you can't justify 1tb? :P |
| 17:28.04 | |Jelly| | or rather 2 |
| 17:28.14 | malreth | well, no... it's not really a problem |
| 17:28.38 | malreth | i just think it's odd that there are no other choices than 80 gb which is way too small for any kind of server use |
| 17:28.48 | malreth | unless the server does like... nothing |
| 17:28.55 | malreth | or 1 tb |
| 17:29.00 | malreth | there's nothing in between |
| 17:29.16 | malreth | like a 250 gb... or a 320 gb... or a 500 gb |
| 17:29.29 | malreth | i know apple prefers to keep the number of choices down |
| 17:29.44 | art3mis | less choice the stabler the system ;) |
| 17:29.46 | malreth | so why even have 80gb as an option |
| 17:30.05 | art3mis | if you dont need to support 100 hardware options you can claim it's uber stable ;P |
| 17:30.15 | art3mis | malreth: small business mainly |
| 17:30.30 | malreth | it's not like they're video cards or chipsets or anything like that, art3mis... they're hard drives |
| 17:30.40 | art3mis | most businesses that use mac either need uber storage or can get by with a single external drive |
| 17:31.10 | art3mis | for those single externals(that dont share correctly without effort in osx) they offer the 80gb's ;) |
| 17:31.39 | art3mis | malreth: yeah but it's the apple way |
| 17:31.55 | art3mis | apple removes most of the personal choice thing to avoid having to support more ;P |
| 17:32.03 | art3mis | drives or not |
| 17:32.24 | art3mis | i'd still say go for the 2tb raid |
| 17:32.26 | malreth | art3mis: well then why not just make the minimum drive size 320 gb and make more money on the low end. |
| 17:32.32 | malreth | oh, i'm going with the tb drives |
| 17:32.42 | art3mis | you may not need it now but if tis available you can fidn all sorts of great things to use it for |
| 17:32.48 | malreth | quote's already drawn and submitted |
| 17:33.03 | art3mis | a centralized media server being the best |
| 17:33.17 | art3mis | have people store thier itunes downloads there ;P |
| 17:33.19 | malreth | i'm not trying to justify 3 TBs... |
| 17:33.30 | malreth | the server's just for me |
| 17:33.32 | art3mis | oh |
| 17:33.37 | malreth | no one else gets to use it |
| 17:33.40 | art3mis | but yeah thats why though |
| 17:33.52 | art3mis | the differences between needs |
| 17:33.54 | malreth | we already have a file server for general lab use with 2 TB of storage |
| 17:34.13 | malreth | and a WDS server for image maint with some evil amount of storage |
| 17:34.19 | art3mis | the small one is just for basic backup of random stuff, the large is for graphics companies |
| 17:34.24 | art3mis | as near as i can see anyways |
| 17:35.46 | malreth | i still think thaht 80gb drives is strangely small for a server config |
| 17:41.47 | |Jelly| | Is it possible to be in two vents at once? |
| 17:41.51 | Lunessa | Haha... people who think "Being in the game before Cross-Server BGs were implemented" is "a long time" - LOL |
| 17:41.57 | |Jelly| | I think I've asked but don't recall the answer. |
| 17:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | I... don't think so, Jelly, but I know it's possible to be in Vent and the in-game voice at the same time, if you hate your ears enough? |
| 17:43.08 | art3mis | cross server BG's was the bestest thing |
| 17:43.25 | Lopeppeppy | It was fun, at the very least. |
| 17:43.27 | |Jelly| | No. I just want to be in my guild's vent ... as well as my own vent. |
| 17:43.39 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: should be easy to try, open Vent twice |
| 17:43.54 | art3mis | |Jelly|: i "think" you can get away with it if you use different in/outs |
| 17:44.03 | |Jelly| | "Another copy of ventrilo is already running" |
| 17:44.25 | art3mis | ie vent1 users linein lineout and vent2 usese speakers/mic |
| 17:44.34 | art3mis | just change the name of ventrilo.exe ;P |
| 17:44.43 | art3mis | thatll let ya run 2 ;P |
| 17:44.56 | malreth | then you'll need two mics |
| 17:45.05 | art3mis | yes |
| 17:45.19 | |Jelly| | or two 1/8" y-adapters. |
| 17:45.19 | Lunessa | I was able to use Vent and TS and In-Game VOIP all at once. |
| 17:45.19 | zenzelezz | art3mis: did you verify this yourself or just assume? |
| 17:45.23 | art3mis | he wants to run two vents, so may as well go out for full retarded ;P |
| 17:45.32 | art3mis | zenzelezz: im guessing based on how it functions |
| 17:45.45 | zenzelezz | "it"? |
| 17:45.58 | zenzelezz | there are a number of ways to see if a program is running =) |
| 17:46.10 | art3mis | well yes but thats the simplest |
| 17:46.34 | art3mis | and it works for quite a few windows based programs |
| 17:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, your ears must have bled from that. |
| 17:47.13 | zenzelezz | I think any decent program would check for instances of the program's window class, or use a mutex or something if they were very paranoid... but you are right that many just do the easy thing |
| 17:47.24 | |Jelly| | didn't work. :P |
| 17:47.32 | art3mis | then yer sol |
| 17:47.34 | art3mis | ;P |
| 17:47.46 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It was an experience in synthesia. |
| 17:47.54 | Lunessa | (spelling?) |
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| 17:47.56 | |Jelly| | imo, it should be built in to be able to connect to more than one server! |
| 17:48.15 | art3mis | that would be more complicated jelly heh |
| 17:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you want to get some counseling to get off that crack. *wink* |
| 17:48.26 | art3mis | and we know that programmers are lazy bastards |
| 17:48.33 | |Jelly| | Yeah. Assholes. |
| 17:48.33 | Lunessa | ... I <3 the crack? |
| 17:48.46 | art3mis | lunessa: only the plumbers type ;P |
| 17:48.50 | |Jelly| | "Now /that's/ how you get pink eye." |
| 17:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEWWW! |
| 17:49.39 | art3mis | oh btw The Ten is a pretty funny movie |
| 17:49.42 | Lunessa | ~lart art3mis |
| 17:49.42 | purl | resizes art3mis's terminal to 40x24 |
| 17:49.51 | art3mis | ~lart3mis |
| 17:49.52 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 17:49.59 | art3mis | it'll save you hassle |
| 17:52.23 | art3mis | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/01/top-11-signs-you-are-working-too-many-hours.html |
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| 17:53.30 | |Jelly| | kek |
| 17:53.39 | |Jelly| | OH WAIT! It's Friday! That means PA! |
| 17:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | My raccoon left me! |
| 17:53.55 | malreth | funny thing is i'll probably have to redo these system quotes after next tuesday |
| 17:54.16 | malreth | but since the meeting is on monday i have to go with what they have now |
| 17:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | Revision is the spice of life. *rolls eyes* |
| 17:54.53 | art3mis | http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2008/01/3187.php |
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| 17:57.39 | malreth | managed to get over $70k on the quote... whatever's left in the budget will be spent on software. |
| 17:58.29 | malreth | since we're still running Adobe CS2 (*cough*) and Final Cut Pro 5 (*choke*), that should be easy |
| 17:58.43 | malreth | nothing's too good for this lab... *snort* |
| 17:58.45 | art3mis | http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/002550.php |
| 17:58.57 | Lopeppeppy | I *wish* I could get some software. *sad sigh* |
| 17:59.04 | malreth | me too |
| 17:59.28 | malreth | stupid management fukc up last year meant they bought all of the WRONG software |
| 17:59.45 | malreth | seriously... they bought outdated software |
| 18:00.20 | art3mis | http://www.nekogames.jp/mt/2008/01/cursor10.html <-- neat game |
| 18:00.20 | malreth | and... they bought single-user licenses of FCP5 to make it even more fun for me |
| 18:00.46 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I thought the whole issue was a critical /hardware/ failure. It isn't delivering the needed throughput. |
| 18:01.36 | art3mis | <omegadark> but sometimes i like to pretend that i am a tree and that the elves like to make cookies inside of me |
| 18:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hardware, software.... all crap! |
| 18:02.33 | art3mis | the entire internet should be powered by dreamcast machines |
| 18:02.46 | art3mis | and if it cant fit on a cdr then its not worth the effort ;P |
| 18:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | At least something more powerful than aenemic hamsters with bipolar disorder. |
| 18:03.18 | art3mis | the dreamcast was thinking! |
| 18:04.56 | art3mis | ooo we might get snow this weekend |
| 18:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | Good. YOU keep the snow. Do not want! |
| 18:05.32 | art3mis | oh do you watch craig ferguson? |
| 18:05.44 | art3mis | he had the best US map the other day |
| 18:06.22 | art3mis | california and new york were on the edges, texas was the rest of the country except the florida penninsula, that was Narnia |
| 18:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. *laugh* |
| 18:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | Needs more Narnia, in my opinion. |
| 18:06.40 | Lunessa | haha |
| 18:07.03 | Lunessa | OK, AFK for foodz. I think I'll say something witty into the drive through speakers... |
| 18:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh |
| 18:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Got 29 crystals in the NW mine |
| 18:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Been farming flayers up top now for a good 30 minutes and I've only gotten 2 more :/ |
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| 18:10.37 | phetips | (p)hear mah musix: http://www.box.net/shared/crctens0k0 |
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| 18:14.00 | malreth | cogwheel: nice plug for MacroSequence! |
| 18:14.20 | cogwheel | now to fix the bug so i can finish this chapter... |
| 18:14.39 | malreth | NO PITY FROM US! |
| 18:14.44 | malreth | Back to work, whore! |
| 18:15.54 | malreth | i hear new york is good for that |
| 18:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a few hours north of NYC, so there's less need for streetcorner posts here. |
| 18:16.52 | malreth | less? or more? |
| 18:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Less need for the streetcorner people, because there are fewer corners. |
| 18:17.25 | art3mis | peppy just has massage parlours |
| 18:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | business tends to run more out of bars around here, it's too cold outside. |
| 18:17.58 | art3mis | at least thats what craigslist has taught me about most of the highways north of here |
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| 18:18.41 | Lopeppeppy | Craigslist is.... interesting but not be confused with a real resource. *wink* |
| 18:18.44 | art3mis | and we dont use street corners here |
| 18:18.50 | art3mis | we use timesquare ;P |
| 18:18.53 | art3mis | it's easier |
| 18:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | Centrally located I guess. but cold. |
| 18:19.23 | art3mis | most of the bronx people hang out in timesquare4 |
| 18:19.26 | art3mis | -4 |
| 18:19.35 | art3mis | i think its the Moth Effect |
| 18:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | I hang out in... libraries. |
| 18:19.40 | art3mis | all the bright shiny lights |
| 18:19.50 | art3mis | and old churches peppy |
| 18:19.53 | art3mis | you fergot that |
| 18:20.00 | art3mis | if caves arent available |
| 18:20.08 | art3mis | maybe the odd Belfry ;P |
| 18:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | No old churches, but an old graveyard and a cave, for sure. |
| 18:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | The bats were frozen into little popsicles, it was... odd. |
| 18:21.00 | art3mis | mmm batcicles! |
| 18:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Tastes like chikken? |
| 18:21.24 | art3mis | tastes like ice and bat ;P |
| 18:21.37 | art3mis | as ive never eatten raw chicken for comparisson |
| 18:21.43 | End | cogwheel: why, has that changed? |
| 18:22.07 | malreth | airport TSA security tip: take an empty water bottle with you in your carry on. it'll make it through the security checkpoint with no problems. once you're past security, fill it up from a nearby water fountain. |
| 18:22.07 | cogwheel | End: apparently... broke macrosequence because I do the death reset on PLAYER_DEAD |
| 18:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | Frozen does not equal raw, IMO |
| 18:22.38 | End | weird |
| 18:23.24 | malreth | also, while they limit bottle sizes to 2 oz, there's no restriction on the number of bottles. bring 50 tiny bottles of shampoo and mouthwash. |
| 18:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | I thought it was 3oz, and there was a total limit of "as much as fits into one quart ziplock bag" |
| 18:24.13 | malreth | pack 'em in tight |
| 18:24.26 | Lopeppeppy | That's... very tight. :) |
| 18:24.32 | malreth | aw yeah! |
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| 18:29.06 | art3mis | heh get thsoe single use flat packets |
| 18:29.16 | art3mis | like the soy sauce packets |
| 18:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Those work well for travel, I find. No caps to come open accidentally. |
| 18:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Most people just buy samples once they get to where they're going, and abandon them when they leave again. |
| 18:35.20 | Duman | ohhh, fite |
| 18:35.28 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773364525&sid=1&pageNo=8#144 |
| 18:37.25 | Duman | :) |
| 18:39.29 | malreth | single use packets are no good for my fiancee |
| 18:39.45 | malreth | she has hair down past her waist |
| 18:39.49 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel is so flame proof I don't even have to share the magic dinosaur flame proof suit with him. |
| 18:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | I hear that, malreth, and mine is just to my shoulders. |
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| 18:42.30 | Duman | the whole liquid/gel restriction is utterly stupid, btw |
| 18:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | And lithium batteries too now, don't forget. |
| 18:46.47 | cogwheel | ut oh |
| 18:46.56 | cogwheel | kamdis pulled the "but he's an MVP" card |
| 18:47.02 | Lopeppeppy | So I seed. |
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| 18:48.10 | Duman | haha |
| 18:48.35 | art3mis | cog owns a licence plate thats taken from a video game |
| 18:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | Dinosaur pants! |
| 18:48.55 | art3mis | pretty much nothing past that point can be said about him being a nerd and have it taken offensivly |
| 18:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Should have heard me trying to explain the difference between "geek' and "nerd" yesterday.... |
| 18:49.23 | Duman | haha |
| 18:49.31 | art3mis | except that hes a big smelly diaper face with poo breath |
| 18:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | His breath smells fine! |
| 18:50.05 | art3mis | fecalpheliac |
| 18:51.00 | Duman | I've seen a 300z or maybe a g35 with "EPIC MNT" plates |
| 18:51.06 | Duman | which made me chuckle |
| 18:51.15 | cogwheel | that was my second choice but it was taken |
| 18:51.17 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | I hope to one day have my Peppy Plates too. |
| 18:51.24 | Duman | not that my plates are any better in the least |
| 18:51.37 | art3mis | i used to ahve custom plates for my black cavalier |
| 18:51.40 | art3mis | EVIL |
| 18:51.40 | cogwheel | I'm 4 GNMRGN right now |
| 18:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I still love that license plate |
| 18:52.00 | Duman | at least yours are game-nerdy... mine are just nerdy-nerdy |
| 18:52.08 | Duman | NULLPTR and SIGSEGV |
| 18:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I approve! |
| 18:52.24 | cogwheel | i'm desperately awaiting the registration docs for my new car so I can transfer it |
| 18:52.44 | art3mis | hehe i saw a vwvan that had a bumpersticker that read "My other box is your server" |
| 18:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | *snarks* |
| 18:52.58 | art3mis | licenceplate time sh |
| 18:53.12 | art3mis | thought that was funny |
| 18:53.24 | art3mis | thats my fav root shell backdoor |
| 18:53.33 | art3mis | chmod 4755 /usr/bin/time |
| 18:53.36 | Lunessa | OMG ... I totally missed a chance to use a "pack 'em in tight" innuendo. |
| 18:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:53.59 | art3mis | nothing is "tight" about you luney |
| 18:54.06 | art3mis | like a hotdog down a hallway |
| 18:55.05 | Duman | o.O |
| 18:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, it seems that he isn't posting in that thread anymore. |
| 18:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Anywho afk |
| 18:55.19 | cncfanatics | art3mis, you can get root with time ? how ? |
| 18:55.20 | Lunessa | Art, I have a tattoo above that reading "Warning: Exit only - Severe Damage" |
| 18:55.39 | art3mis | cnc well once you have root through whatever patchable way you 4755 time |
| 18:55.51 | art3mis | then whenever you need a root shell you time bash/sh/csh whatever |
| 18:55.54 | cncfanatics | and how can you get back root with a 4755'd time ? |
| 18:56.05 | cncfanatics | lol, seriously ? |
| 18:56.08 | art3mis | 'time sh' |
| 18:56.10 | art3mis | yup |
| 18:56.18 | art3mis | time has a shell esc |
| 18:56.25 | cncfanatics | and why does it ? |
| 18:56.30 | art3mis | if you specify it after time it drops you toa # |
| 18:56.41 | art3mis | im not entirely sure it just always has |
| 18:56.42 | cncfanatics | whyyyyy ? |
| 18:56.46 | cncfanatics | thats like a totaly obvious exploit |
| 18:56.49 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: no, he prob just put you and kamdis on ignore ;) |
| 18:56.57 | cncfanatics | so, everyone knowing that can just get root on my box ? |
| 18:57.01 | art3mis | you need root for 4755 it |
| 18:57.07 | cncfanatics | chmod 0755 time |
| 18:57.10 | art3mis | its normally 755 |
| 18:57.25 | cncfanatics | I was able to time sh just fine |
| 18:57.27 | cncfanatics | as normal user |
| 18:57.30 | cncfanatics | without 4755'ing it |
| 18:57.32 | art3mis | nods but not as root |
| 18:57.42 | art3mis | without the 4 there it's not sui |
| 18:57.43 | art3mis | suid |
| 18:57.53 | cncfanatics | I was able to cd /root |
| 18:57.55 | art3mis | you need to suid root it |
| 18:58.24 | cncfanatics | why can I dir /root fine then ? |
| 18:58.31 | art3mis | new linux desktop homeuser accounts dont count |
| 18:58.36 | art3mis | ;) |
| 18:58.51 | cncfanatics | heh, my normal acc can access it too |
| 18:58.54 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 18:58.54 | art3mis | did you start with a $ or a # ? |
| 18:59.16 | cncfanatics | $, |
| 18:59.25 | art3mis | heh cuz thats pretty funny if it gives root read access ;P |
| 18:59.25 | cncfanatics | weird, why ain't /root 700 ? |
| 18:59.43 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.44 | cncfanatics | all got read |
| 18:59.56 | cncfanatics | better |
| 18:59.59 | Duman | it should be 700 or 750 or something, at least |
| 19:00.04 | Duman | nothing more permissive |
| 19:00.04 | cncfanatics | since when is /root not 700 by default ? |
| 19:00.09 | cncfanatics | was 755 |
| 19:00.22 | Duman | 751 at the absolute worst |
| 19:00.24 | Duman | well, taht's not good |
| 19:00.34 | Duman | change it? :) |
| 19:00.46 | art3mis | possibly because it uses something in there for normal desktop operation? |
| 19:00.58 | cncfanatics | it shouldn't |
| 19:01.02 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.03 | art3mis | are you runing a pure or a hybrid? |
| 19:01.08 | cncfanatics | debian |
| 19:01.09 | cncfanatics | pure |
| 19:01.15 | art3mis | okay thats odd then |
| 19:01.28 | cncfanatics | just chmod'd it, problem fixed |
| 19:01.31 | cncfanatics | oh btw |
| 19:01.32 | art3mis | oddly most people dotn know about time sh ;) |
| 19:01.41 | cncfanatics | art3mis, getting root access to most boxes is easy |
| 19:01.46 | cncfanatics | if they don't lock grub its hell easy even |
| 19:01.50 | art3mis | thats why its my fav backdoor ;P |
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| 19:02.00 | cncfanatics | just get physical access to the pc once, then you can just use time |
| 19:02.08 | art3mis | ocne you set that in 99% of all cases you can get it backwhernever you need it |
| 19:02.15 | cncfanatics | depends |
| 19:02.20 | cncfanatics | need remote access set up someway too |
| 19:02.24 | cncfanatics | this box has no remote access for example |
| 19:02.27 | art3mis | the 1% is admins that actually read security change logs |
| 19:02.35 | malreth | http://xkcd.com/369/ |
| 19:02.49 | cncfanatics | so you'd always need physical access, in which case you could as well as grub (mine is pw'd though) |
| 19:02.49 | malreth | by observing the results, he has altered them |
| 19:02.52 | art3mis | since the 4755 totally shows up |
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| 19:03.08 | malreth | i suspect the number of deaths due to blogging accidents will increase sharply |
| 19:03.24 | art3mis | cncfanatics: yeah thats always the case though |
| 19:03.33 | art3mis | but we're assumig you've already got shell access |
| 19:04.00 | cncfanatics | time is made to drop you in a shell, thats sure |
| 19:04.03 | art3mis | in the early days of sudo i was too lazy to setup the allows list so i used to backdoor my own systems |
| 19:04.04 | cncfanatics | well, if you want to |
| 19:04.19 | cncfanatics | modern sudo is pretty secure :) |
| 19:04.20 | art3mis | was easier that way ;) |
| 19:04.27 | cncfanatics | I'm the only one in my allow list anyway |
| 19:04.28 | malreth | i was right... the count is up to 2420 now |
| 19:04.33 | malreth | so much needless death |
| 19:04.42 | art3mis | needful deaths |
| 19:04.45 | art3mis | bloggers need to die |
| 19:04.51 | art3mis | the more horrible the better |
| 19:05.03 | cncfanatics | art3mis, you're a blogger right ? |
| 19:05.06 | malreth | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=w8O&q=%22died+in+a+horrific+blogging+accident%22&btnG=Search |
| 19:05.12 | art3mis | nope |
| 19:05.14 | malreth | currently, zero |
| 19:05.16 | Duman | jeez art... someone said the same thing on another channel I'm on |
| 19:05.23 | Duman | <11:01AM shane_> bloggers are morons |
| 19:05.25 | art3mis | nothi9ng i have to say needs to be saved for posterity |
| 19:05.38 | art3mis | thats why i talk in irc ;P |
| 19:05.42 | cncfanatics | Duman, thats probably because bloggers ARE morons |
| 19:05.49 | Duman | I'm not disagreeing :) |
| 19:06.06 | cncfanatics | wheeeeee |
| 19:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | They won't LET me post in the Web Dev group blog at work. :) |
| 19:06.12 | cncfanatics | dattebayo is releasing subs again |
| 19:06.19 | art3mis | people are treating bloggig now-a-days as though tis some new media format |
| 19:06.23 | art3mis | for news and insight |
| 19:06.29 | cncfanatics | why lopeppeppy ? and why would you want it anyway |
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| 19:06.39 | art3mis | when really if these people didnt have blogs they'd be on street corners with cardboard signs |
| 19:06.58 | Lopeppeppy | cncfanatics, my first entry would be why it's good that we're not allowed to use the c word at work. |
| 19:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | Second would be a scathing analysis of the Skidmore Sheeple. |
| 19:07.20 | art3mis | you cant use "code" at work? |
| 19:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Third would be comparing my office superiors to characters in Office Space. |
| 19:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | Fourth would be my goodbye post. *grin* |
| 19:07.41 | art3mis | whens the post with boobie pics? |
| 19:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Fifth. |
| 19:08.39 | Duman | the "c" word? |
| 19:08.44 | art3mis | courage ;P |
| 19:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | I actually stay away from blogging in general, I have issues with privacy sometimes. |
| 19:08.51 | art3mis | carpathian |
| 19:08.59 | malreth | i think trev erased his posts from that thread |
| 19:09.00 | art3mis | catfish |
| 19:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Duman, there's a very bad c word out there. Just think hard about hedges and you'll figure it out. |
| 19:09.09 | Duman | oh that |
| 19:09.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah-that. |
| 19:09.21 | Lopeppeppy | Can't use at work, no way, no how. |
| 19:09.21 | art3mis | its a great word though |
| 19:09.25 | cncfanatics | what c word ? |
| 19:09.28 | cncfanatics | -.- |
| 19:09.29 | Duman | my mind wasnt' far enough into the gutter |
| 19:09.30 | Duman | ;) |
| 19:09.31 | Lopeppeppy | Christmas |
| 19:09.36 | art3mis | cut with an N |
| 19:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | cncfanatics, I know you can do it. Just come down to the gutter of hating your female coworkers, you'll figure it. |
| 19:09.54 | malreth | christmas is a 4 lettered word |
| 19:10.07 | art3mis | you must be using some archaic form od xmas |
| 19:10.09 | art3mis | of |
| 19:10.18 | art3mis | kind of like when you say ask instead of ax |
| 19:10.20 | Duman | xmas |
| 19:10.20 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy, my dictionary of english offences is quite poor |
| 19:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | What am disctionery? |
| 19:10.40 | malreth | later folks |
| 19:10.49 | art3mis | its just a tionary peppy |
| 19:10.54 | Duman | pictionary! |
| 19:10.58 | art3mis | the womens libers took the dick out of it ;P |
| 19:11.01 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer Twister. |
| 19:11.07 | Duman | heh |
| 19:11.10 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy, Duman, art3mis: I hate you all |
| 19:11.16 | cncfanatics | malreth: I hate you the most |
| 19:11.31 | Duman | lol |
| 19:11.33 | Duman | here |
| 19:11.35 | cncfanatics | anyway, now I'll go get dinner |
| 19:11.37 | Duman | charlie uniform november tango |
| 19:13.20 | cogwheel | W00t!! |
| 19:13.22 | cogwheel | Done! You’re matched up with the Bug Report forum. Of course if spamming gets out of control we’ll have to set it back, but I don’t see that being an issue. |
| 19:13.38 | cogwheel | 30 sec post timer on ui & macros 4tw! |
| 19:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | *loves Cogwheel* |
| 19:14.11 | Lunessa | Twister, Yellow Right Foot, Red Left Hand, Baby Oil Everywhere. |
| 19:14.11 | Duman | cog: you're welcome :) |
| 19:14.23 | cogwheel | /cheer Duman |
| 19:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I didn't know you cared! :) |
| 19:15.12 | Lunessa | Oh, I loves me some Twister. The more /twsited/ the better. |
| 19:15.26 | Duman | I haven't played twister since college |
| 19:15.31 | art3mis | luney has been playing solo for the last 3 days |
| 19:15.31 | Duman | I might pull something if I tried now |
| 19:15.38 | art3mis | he's gotten quite flexible |
| 19:17.16 | Lunessa | art3mis: Your fascination with my flexibility is slightly concerning. |
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| 19:23.29 | cncfanatics | back, had a lovely dinner: ) |
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| 19:31.06 | Polarina | Cairenn: Should I add a topic for Relegation in Released Interfaces/Scripts? |
| 19:31.15 | Cairenn | if you wish to |
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| 19:31.46 | Polarina | Ok. :) |
| 19:35.35 | Shirik | Anyone have a good recommendation on an addon that stores specs and allows you to easily switch between them? |
| 19:35.45 | Antiarc | Talented does it |
| 19:35.57 | Antiarc | It also lets you prototype specs in WoW and then apply them |
| 19:36.00 | Antiarc | Which is nice |
| 19:36.48 | Shirik | thanks I'll check it out |
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| 19:41.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen AnduinLothar |
| 19:41.18 | purl | anduinlothar <n=AnduinLo@WoWUIDev/Cosmos/AnduinLothar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 14h 11m 39s ago, saying: 'easily addicted?'. |
| 19:41.20 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen KarlKFI |
| 19:41.21 | purl | karlkfi is currently on #wowi-lounge (16h 8m 51s) #wowace (16h 8m 51s), last said: 'i like the way pets don't take aoe, but it's liek cheating in arenas'. |
| 19:41.56 | sag_ich_nicht | AL you there? :P |
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| 19:47.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: the point is known if he is physically present at his computer |
| 19:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | not if his damn IRC client is connected |
| 19:47.31 | sag_ich_nicht | ~fail Shirik |
| 19:47.31 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 19:47.52 | Shirik | because asking in an IRC channel would be totally effective when he's not in the IRC channel in the first place? |
| 19:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I just broke. |
| 19:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, two accounts. |
| 19:48.11 | Shirik | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:48.11 | purl | ScytheBlade1: Fail. |
| 19:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want to solo level a resto druid to 80 when I have a perfectly good fire mage sitting next to it. |
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| 19:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | However, in my defense |
| 19:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I did *also* buy the complete C&C collection for $50 |
| 19:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll get a lot of playtime out of that |
| 19:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | I've considered a second account.... *ponders happily* |
| 19:53.19 | Lunessa | Things that make you go Hrmm.... |
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| 19:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I just really, really don't want to level a resto druid. And it'll be a sad day if I went and respecced it to feral, only to equip some level 65 feral greens in place of level 70 healing epics. |
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| 19:55.58 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, your talking 70 to 80? |
| 19:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: yeah, down the line. Weak reasoning, I know. |
| 19:56.30 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, odds are you will be able to instance lvl to 80 |
| 19:56.44 | Thunder_Child | so you can do it as resto |
| 19:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is, I'd have to find four others to do that with me. |
| 19:57.03 | Thunder_Child | it's called finding pug's |
| 19:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 19:57.08 | Thunder_Child | just like normal |
| 19:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 19:57.13 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 19:57.32 | Thunder_Child | it's like going from 60-70 |
| 19:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I leveled from 1-60, and then to 70, twice, without ever touching a pug |
| 19:57.56 | Thunder_Child | then your lucky, but you CAN do it |
| 19:58.02 | Shirik | hehe |
| 19:58.03 | Thunder_Child | or get guildies |
| 19:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not touching a pug, I don't care what you say |
| 19:58.21 | Shirik | I love how my department chair just sends me [no subject] emails with "Do you want to do this?" as its only message |
| 19:58.22 | Duman | pugs make babyjesus cry |
| 19:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Not happening! Noooo! Not even! |
| 19:58.26 | Duman | at least, most of them |
| 19:58.30 | Shirik | He seems to think I can do anything >< |
| 19:58.40 | Thunder_Child | pugs make me want to drown kittens, thats not the point |
| 19:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That IS the point |
| 19:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not touching pugs |
| 19:59.07 | Thunder_Child | fine, then go instance with various guild memebers |
| 19:59.11 | Thunder_Child | members* |
| 19:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Or! |
| 19:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Go and duo-quest. |
| 19:59.42 | Thunder_Child | na |
| 19:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Too bad |
| 20:00.48 | Lunessa | is there anything that doesn't make babyjesus cry? |
| 20:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773364525&sid=1&pageNo=8#152 <-- I like that post more than I should |
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| 20:03.17 | malreth | task 5: meet with customer at the athletics lab |
| 20:03.23 | malreth | i love coming over here |
| 20:03.30 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i assume babyjesus doesnt make babyjesus cry |
| 20:03.40 | Lunessa | I bet he does. |
| 20:03.42 | malreth | cuz i can take a late lunch and eat something better than fast food |
| 20:03.55 | malreth | the alumni center has a nice cafe |
| 20:04.51 | malreth | and the chicks here are cute and love to talk |
| 20:05.46 | malreth | i think they hire attractive outgoing people on purpose since a lot of old rich men eat here |
| 20:06.00 | malreth | and it probably inclines them to donate more money to the school |
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| 20:08.15 | Josh_Borke | malreth: sounds like a good idea to me |
| 20:08.52 | Lunessa | Get a triple expresso and a salad. |
| 20:09.10 | malreth | the place is actually called Texas Expresso |
| 20:09.28 | malreth | since it's run by the Texas Ex-Student Association |
| 20:10.32 | Shirik | Anyone here know the wowui/incgamers staff at all? |
| 20:11.36 | Lunessa | I swear.. I've had my chain of thought for this involved document/manual destroyed by constant interruptions. I'm never going to get it finished. |
| 20:11.36 | Matrix110 | why would you even want to know them? :P |
| 20:12.09 | Matrix110 | think i didnt visit wowui after 2005 anymore :P |
| 20:12.19 | Matrix110 | ui.worldofwar still at that time |
| 20:13.41 | Cairenn | Shirik: I do |
| 20:14.27 | Shirik | Matrix110: Long story |
| 20:16.04 | Matrix110 | hmm ScytheBlade1 now i know why my Iceblock, Coldsnap castsequence doesnt work:P |
| 20:16.31 | Matrix110 | Glad that we didnt do arena this week |
| 20:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:17.03 | Matrix110 | @High Warlod Najentus i wanted to use my 2nd Iceblock |
| 20:17.09 | Matrix110 | and my macro didnt work so i died:P |
| 20:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:18.19 | End | Cairenn knows everybody ;-P |
| 20:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | MacroSequencer for you! |
| 20:19.22 | Matrix110 | only using 2 Combat affecting macros |
| 20:19.54 | Matrix110 | Ice block, cold snap and that my pet attacks my target i shoot with FB |
| 20:21.58 | Cairenn | End: :) |
| 20:22.23 | Thunder_Child | "The bug causing people to stand up in Blade's Edge Mountains and interrupting their eating/drinking was fixed but has been reintroduced with the 2.3.2 patch, devs are re-investigating the cause." got to love the small shit |
| 20:22.40 | malreth | damn |
| 20:22.43 | malreth | i hate that bug |
| 20:23.15 | Esamynn|Work | lol, that is a strange bug |
| 20:23.17 | malreth | cuz it always happens 7 seconds after i start eating stat buff food |
| 20:23.22 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 20:23.26 | Duman | yeah: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881780067&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 20:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Hate that so much |
| 20:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm a mage! |
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| 20:28.39 | sysrage | appears they only fixed half the casting bug too.. at least they got the more annoying half |
| 20:29.51 | malreth | "I would like to take a moment and thank Blizzard for this Macro snafu, for those like myself who have not found the joys of using macros for everything it has been a pleasure in BG's and Arena to battle players who just stand there and let u burn them down with low tech button mashing" |
| 20:29.55 | malreth | lulz |
| 20:30.12 | Lunessa | lawl |
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| 20:31.50 | Esamynn|Work | sysrage: which casting bug? |
| 20:33.13 | sysrage | pre-2.3.2, it would keep casting after your target died and if you switched to target B before target A died and started casting, that cast would be interrupted when target A died |
| 20:33.24 | sysrage | they fixed first half thankfully, but i'm still getting interrupted when first target dies |
| 20:33.35 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
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| 20:39.43 | sag_ich_nicht | do hunters get any benefits from +melee hit? |
| 20:39.57 | sag_ich_nicht | (besides actual melee combat, that is) |
| 20:40.00 | Esamynn|Work | no |
| 20:40.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Esamynn|Work details? |
| 20:40.24 | sag_ich_nicht | because i just heard differently in another channel |
| 20:40.25 | Esamynn|Work | there is a separate +hit for ranged iirc |
| 20:40.25 | malreth | don't let that stop you rolling on other people's loot, tho |
| 20:40.44 | malreth | remember: every loot is hunter loot |
| 20:40.45 | Esamynn|Work | and as I recall a lot of items with +hit give both |
| 20:41.04 | Shirik | I love reading strange comments in assembly |
| 20:41.07 | Shirik | 772FD2B2 > 68 34592C77 PUSH ntdll.772C5934 ; ASCII "SXS: It is resolved!!!, GOOD" |
| 20:41.13 | sag_ich_nicht | malreth: no, my problem is that our hunters seem to think tsunami talisman is AWESOME for them and they should get loot rights on it before all of the melees have it |
| 20:41.26 | malreth | it is. you should give it to them |
| 20:41.40 | malreth | hunters always know best |
| 20:41.54 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.12 | Saint-N | thats one of my fav comments ;P |
| 20:42.29 | Saint-N | the other is rabbit's // Fucking blizzard!!! |
| 20:42.32 | Esamynn|Work | sag_ich_nicht: I'm pretty sure that unless it specifies melee or ranged, +hit works for both |
| 20:42.38 | malreth | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hit |
| 20:42.43 | sysrage | tooltip for that says absolutely nothing about melee |
| 20:42.59 | malreth | ha ha! i was actually right! |
| 20:43.02 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 20:43.03 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 20:43.06 | sysrage | heh |
| 20:43.07 | malreth | damn right! |
| 20:43.24 | Esamynn|Work | ~factinfo malreth |
| 20:43.24 | purl | malreth -- last modified at Wed Nov 21 20:14:43 2007 by malreth!n=malreth@wireless-128-62-234-33.public.utexas.edu; it has been requested 32 times, last by malreth, 21s ago. |
| 20:43.30 | Saint-N | im sure we'll find that malreth added that all on his own too ;P |
| 20:43.44 | malreth | ~literal malreth |
| 20:43.44 | purl | "malreth" is "<reply>(malreth is always right|never take malreth seriously)" |
| 20:43.45 | Saint-N | which goes against irc rules |
| 20:43.54 | Saint-N | thus needs to be removed |
| 20:44.01 | Saint-N | you can't calc something about yourself |
| 20:44.06 | malreth | there are rules in irc? |
| 20:44.18 | Saint-N | yes |
| 20:44.25 | malreth | irc is serious business |
| 20:44.26 | sysrage | purl, saint-n is <reply>Saint-N is always wrong |
| 20:44.27 | purl | okay, sysrage |
| 20:44.40 | Saint-N | "hi im 13" means "do not message me about the size of your penis, chris mathews may be watching" |
| 20:44.57 | Esamynn|Work | purl, no, malreth is (<reply>malreth is always wrong|<reply>never take malreth seriously|an annoying person who hangs out in #wowi-lounge) |
| 20:44.58 | purl | Esamynn|Work: okay |
| 20:45.01 | Esamynn|Work | fixed |
| 20:45.07 | Saint-N | im not always wrong |
| 20:45.16 | Saint-N | mostly because i flip flop ;) |
| 20:45.16 | Thunder_Child | or "hi i'm 13" could mean "hi, i'm 13" |
| 20:45.28 | malreth | aw... |
| 20:45.37 | Saint-N | tc: it's irc the above is definitely a better common sense rule ;) |
| 20:45.48 | Saint-N | thats what the "to catch a predator" marathon taught me |
| 20:46.04 | Saint-N | the only 13yo's on irc are feds anyways |
| 20:46.08 | malreth | actually, it's just never a good idea to message anyone about the size of your penis |
| 20:46.14 | Thunder_Child | it's only better comon sense if you were going to do something...inapropriate with said 13yo |
| 20:46.37 | Saint-N | thus making my statement more accurate ;P |
| 20:46.46 | Saint-N | cuz they caught a lot of predators that day |
| 20:46.52 | Saint-N | even a doctor |
| 20:46.59 | Saint-N | who i REALLY hope is a pediatrician |
| 20:47.05 | Saint-N | cuz that would be extra funny |
| 20:47.29 | Saint-N | dont you sigh at me mister |
| 20:47.44 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Saint-N |
| 20:47.45 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Saint-N until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 20:48.02 | Esamynn|Work | ~botsnack |
| 20:48.02 | purl | Esamynn|Work: thanks |
| 20:48.04 | Saint-N | oh and incase you're part of the slow class that rides the shortbus... art3mis == Saint-N |
| 20:48.05 | Thunder_Child | way apt |
| 20:49.28 | sysrage | poor squirrel |
| 20:49.30 | Saint-N | god im bored |
| 20:53.12 | Thunder_Child | yes my child, we are all bored from time to time |
| 20:53.29 | malreth | cursor*10 is a fun game... |
| 20:53.51 | malreth | but i can only get a hi score of 124 |
| 20:53.59 | Cairenn | those of you who are bored and want to have fun decompiling stuff again (/looks at Antiarc and ScytheBlade1) ... looks like UICentral is infected again - Shirik is already playing with it |
| 20:54.08 | malreth | having a real mouse instead of a touchpad would make it easier, prolly |
| 20:54.08 | Antiarc | Ugh |
| 20:54.11 | Antiarc | And I'd love to |
| 20:54.15 | Antiarc | But I have to go install a rack server |
| 20:56.13 | Saint-N | good thing uicentral has security tightly locked up ;P |
| 20:57.11 | Saint-N | time |
| 20:57.34 | cogwheel | Saint-N: link? |
| 20:57.42 | Saint-N | i cant wait |
| 20:57.48 | Saint-N | meaning i havent read any yet ;P |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | (8:55:58 AM) Shirik: so there's discussion that the incgamers UI is once again infested with a virus |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | (8:56:26 AM) cladhaire: wow.. where is it? |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | (8:56:41 AM) Shirik: actually on the wowi forums |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | (8:56:48 AM) cladhaire: link? |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | (8:57:05 AM) Shirik: let me see if I can find it, I have way too many tabs open right now >< |
| 20:57.59 | Cairenn | (8:57:23 AM) Shirik: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14467&page=2&pp=10 |
| 20:58.01 | Cairenn | (8:59:39 AM) Shirik: and here: http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408823 |
| 20:58.02 | Saint-N | the last two times was incredibly amusing |
| 20:58.18 | Cairenn | Rushster says that they are clean, but Shirik just downloaded today and is finding it |
| 20:58.21 | cogwheel | <3 Cairenn |
| 20:59.12 | Esamynn|Work | woot! drama! |
| 21:01.33 | Saint-N | god i hate sites that require login to read forums |
| 21:02.13 | Esamynn|Work | ok, since when is a minor patch grounds to disable non-authenticated access to your forums? (is trying to read the inc gamers forums) |
| 21:02.15 | Polarina | I totally agree there. |
| 21:02.34 | Thunder_Child | "call me a sniffy games or arts fagsmasextual..." |
| 21:02.57 | Thunder_Child | Yahtzee ftw |
| 21:03.13 | Esamynn|Work | of course, this channel is TOTALLY unbiased ;) |
| 21:03.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Paradox (n=Paradox@cpc2-brmb4-0-0-cust295.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:03.50 | Polarina | "As time passes, more idiots keep appearing and existing idiots become even more stupid." :) |
| 21:05.20 | Thunder_Child | i need to buy a new keyboard, someone give me some ideas |
| 21:05.38 | Esamynn|Work | G15 |
| 21:05.42 | Thunder_Child | have it |
| 21:05.52 | Esamynn|Work | then why do you need a new keyboard? |
| 21:05.57 | Thunder_Child | it's breaking |
| 21:06.07 | Thunder_Child | and i dont use most of the stuff one it |
| 21:06.08 | Thunder_Child | on* |
| 21:06.34 | Thunder_Child | i dont use the G keys, the LCD, the usb, etc. |
| 21:07.27 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
| 21:07.29 | Saint-N | saitek gamers keyboard |
| 21:07.40 | Saint-N | only real neat thing about it is the 9 button keypad |
| 21:08.28 | Saint-N | rush is funny |
| 21:08.56 | Saint-N | his immediate and first response is "it's clean not us!" without at least saying "we'll be analyzing it a bit further" |
| 21:09.14 | Saint-N | running it through a couple of antivirus programs != making sure its 100% clean |
| 21:09.20 | malreth | get one of these: http://images.appleinsider.com/next-gen-imac-kb-070727-6.jpg |
| 21:09.31 | malreth | loal |
| 21:10.13 | Saint-N | for when gay just isn't apple enough? |
| 21:10.33 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail Rushster |
| 21:10.34 | purl | Rushster: Fail. |
| 21:10.58 | malreth | ~gay |
| 21:10.58 | purl | No, YOU'RE gay. |
| 21:11.10 | Thunder_Child | ~lart malreth |
| 21:11.10 | purl | stuffs malreth into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 21:11.24 | Saint-N | ooo shiny |
| 21:11.28 | malreth | i'll stay edible forever |
| 21:11.33 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 21:11.45 | Saint-N | ya got the shinning boy! You mean the shining? quiet you want to get sued?! |
| 21:12.34 | malreth | but don't be reading my mind between four and five. that's willy's time! |
| 21:12.58 | Thunder_Child | well....i readthat as something else |
| 21:13.03 | Thunder_Child | read that* |
| 21:13.25 | Saint-N | prevert |
| 21:13.30 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | (4:07:58 PM) Shirik: So here's the deal. UI Central is packaged with a program "patcher.exe" which has code in it to go download an "update.exe" from a non-incgamers site |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | (4:08:05 PM) Shirik: update.exe is then immediately run |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | (4:08:51 PM) Shirik: update.exe proceeds to install itself as wzcsvbc.dll |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | (4:10:01 PM) Shirik: It installs that from a remote site if possible, and if that fails it will instead use its own copy |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | (4:10:26 PM) Shirik: It then registers itself with lsass.exe so that it can be resident at every startup while remaining hidden |
| 21:13.41 | Cairenn | (4:10:43 PM) Shirik: After all that's complete, update.exe attempts to delete itself and shut down |
| 21:14.07 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:14.10 | malreth | let it wash over me like an ocean wave |
| 21:14.14 | Saint-N | rush is right! |
| 21:14.22 | Saint-N | that sounds clean to me ;) |
| 21:14.59 | End | lol |
| 21:15.01 | End | :-/ |
| 21:15.31 | malreth | do you think anyone will ever download an install UI Central again? |
| 21:15.45 | nevcairiel | alot of people never noticed |
| 21:15.47 | Cairenn | they did this time |
| 21:15.47 | malreth | oh.. right |
| 21:15.50 | Saint-N | although if i were him i'd be WAY more concerned with how they keep replacing his binary ;) |
| 21:16.05 | Shirik | me too |
| 21:16.16 | Cairenn | "it comes in from another site on the network, it isn't their site, their site is secure" |
| 21:16.22 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:16.27 | Shirik | I downloaded ui central from their site |
| 21:16.29 | Arrowmaster | aka they have a shitty host |
| 21:16.31 | Cairenn | that's what he said last time |
| 21:16.34 | nevcairiel | then they better close their network :P |
| 21:16.36 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 21:16.48 | Cairenn | that they got into his files through one of the other sites having an opening |
| 21:16.52 | Arrowmaster | if some other server on your hosts network gets you hacked you need to fucking switch hosts |
| 21:16.54 | Saint-N | "someone on the server has a shell account and we screwed up our public_html permissions" |
| 21:17.14 | Saint-N | yeah that swounds like a huge load of crap |
| 21:17.23 | Thunder_Child | hmm...actually i might try http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cykeyv2.htm when it comes out |
| 21:17.48 | Saint-N | thunder: the saiteks are actually pretty nice, low profile keys quiet but not silenent clicky |
| 21:17.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (n=skullsho@2002:44cc:9fc2:0:0:0:44cc:9fc2) |
| 21:18.04 | Thunder_Child | eh, dont really care about the noise |
| 21:18.22 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:19.09 | Saint-N | *ChanServ gives voice to The_People |
| 21:19.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is not a person |
| 21:19.32 | Saint-N | no he's mulitple people |
| 21:19.34 | malreth | shame the keyboard doesn't come in an ESDF variant |
| 21:19.50 | malreth | :D |
| 21:19.52 | Saint-N | mal all keyboards can be made variant ;P |
| 21:20.00 | Saint-N | with just a screw driver ;) |
| 21:20.30 | Thunder_Child | why would you want esdf over wasd anyway? |
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| 21:20.35 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.47 | malreth | i bind spells all around the movement keys |
| 21:20.53 | Josh_Borke | all keyboards DO come with ESDF... |
| 21:21.09 | Thunder_Child | Josh_Borke, not metal clad like the keyboard i inked |
| 21:21.14 | malreth | Josh_Borke: i'm talking about the metal-capped keys on that keyboard |
| 21:21.19 | Josh_Borke | i see |
| 21:21.23 | Josh_Borke | i hadn't looked at the link :-D |
| 21:21.26 | nevcairiel | for wow, i need that for 1-5 too :P |
| 21:23.04 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Xion (n=Xion@195.85.238.200) |
| 21:23.31 | malreth | lol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881781502&sid=1 |
| 21:24.13 | malreth | GODlike |
| 21:24.37 | Saint-N | http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-PZ08A-PC-Gamers-Keyboard/dp/B0002TJDPW <-- ky keyboard |
| 21:24.40 | Saint-N | my |
| 21:25.00 | Saint-N | the keypad thingy is where my movement and 6 spells reside |
| 21:25.13 | nevcairiel | that looks weird o.O |
| 21:25.26 | Saint-N | it has 2 buttons for "shift" shifta and shiftb to change the values of all the keys |
| 21:25.40 | Saint-N | so 123 and shiftb123 are the spells |
| 21:25.49 | Saint-N | and best of all it supports timed macros ;P |
| 21:26.25 | malreth | i'd use timed macros... |
| 21:26.32 | malreth | to automate cyb0r |
| 21:26.41 | malreth | then i can afk in goldshire |
| 21:26.52 | Lunessa | Those 'keypad' buttons are fully programmable? |
| 21:27.04 | Saint-N | yup |
| 21:27.07 | cncfanatics | and also fully illegal |
| 21:27.12 | Esamynn|Work | indeed |
| 21:27.38 | Esamynn|Work | for WoW anyways |
| 21:27.40 | Lunessa | All I want is to remap them to arrows or odd key-combos. |
| 21:27.47 | Saint-N | thats what i do |
| 21:28.07 | Lunessa | too bad the fucking keyboard is not a split/ergo design |
| 21:28.12 | Saint-N | cept that button 1 is pain*delay*ve |
| 21:28.36 | Saint-N | thats actually why i picked it |
| 21:28.43 | Saint-N | i cant stand those types |
| 21:28.43 | Arrowmaster | damn that keyboard linked is old |
| 21:28.53 | Saint-N | yup it is |
| 21:29.00 | Saint-N | got it like 1.5 years ago or so |
| 21:29.01 | Arrowmaster | ive got a saitek eclipse |
| 21:29.14 | Arrowmaster | which is newer than the 'gamers keyboard' |
| 21:29.23 | Arrowmaster | and theres a saitek eclipse 2 out now |
| 21:29.27 | Lunessa | I need that split. |
| 21:29.31 | Saint-N | the only major downside toit is that the gamepad isnt supported in nix |
| 21:29.49 | Saint-N | or through ANY belkin kvm |
| 21:30.00 | Saint-N | or macos ;P |
| 21:30.05 | Saint-N | its purely winders only |
| 21:30.18 | Lunessa | screw it. I use Windows or Mac OS, but generally play WoW on Windows. |
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| 21:31.53 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, how does the gamepad work ? |
| 21:32.29 | Arrowmaster | it plugs into the keyboard |
| 21:32.39 | Arrowmaster | much better off getting a seperate one |
| 21:32.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge art3mis_ (n=art3mis@162.84.234.135) |
| 21:33.21 | cncfanatics | plugs into the keyboard |
| 21:33.24 | cncfanatics | so it sends keyb signals ? |
| 21:33.27 | cncfanatics | supported in linux |
| 21:33.40 | cncfanatics | they're just regular keyboard keys -.- |
| 21:33.47 | Arrowmaster | no theyre not |
| 21:34.08 | Arrowmaster | he said it wont work through kvms |
| 21:34.14 | cncfanatics | hmmm, why is that ? |
| 21:34.23 | Arrowmaster | because theyre somehow special |
| 21:34.35 | cncfanatics | they did something weird to they keyb then tbh |
| 21:34.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:35.14 | Arrowmaster | like i said get a newer keyboard (the saitek gamer is much older than 1-2 years) and a seperate programable pad |
| 21:35.28 | Thunder_Child | http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/keyboards.htm |
| 21:35.42 | Arrowmaster | i was looking at http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cyborgcommand.htm to replace my belkin n52 |
| 21:36.01 | Arrowmaster | damn n52 has so few buttons that i can only use it for fps games |
| 21:37.51 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=14502 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881821845&postId=38813235984&sid=1#0 |
| 21:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Claasssssssyyyyyyy |
| 21:38.42 | cncfanatics | my regular keyboard has enough keys tbh |
| 21:39.24 | Esamynn|Work | ~hail Cairenn |
| 21:39.24 | purl | ACTION bows down to Cairenn and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:39.28 | cncfanatics | OMG, Shirik got voiced ! :p |
| 21:39.40 | Shirik | Shirik was voiced like... 2 months ago |
| 21:39.45 | cncfanatics | never noticed :p |
| 21:39.53 | End | ~lart cncfanatics |
| 21:39.53 | purl | farts in cncfanatics's general direction |
| 21:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, it just never stops for them |
| 21:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it still infected on their site? |
| 21:40.17 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Or has it been takedn down already? |
| 21:40.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Do you have the program "reflector" ? |
| 21:40.37 | Cairenn | dunno, may have, if Rushster has already responded |
| 21:40.41 | Lunessa | And those posts are the reason why the world <3's Cairenn. |
| 21:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I do not |
| 21:40.54 | Shirik | I would go grab it, it would make pointing out the problem parts much easier |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | reflector is a .NET disassembler that can pretty much give you source |
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| 21:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 21:41.17 | Shirik | and the intial program in question is .NET |
| 21:41.17 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 21:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be much easier |
| 21:41.22 | Shirik | and it's very evident what it's trying to do |
| 21:41.23 | Cairenn | afk, back shortly |
| 21:41.27 | cncfanatics | SHirik |
| 21:41.33 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: so you caught another suck....er helper huh? 8) |
| 21:41.36 | cncfanatics | I got a wine sandbox here, if you need help just call |
| 21:41.51 | Shirik | Oh I've long since shut down my toolboxes, I've done all the analysis I can think of :P |
| 21:41.53 | Shirik | But next time :) |
| 21:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a windows box here. Much more motivation to actually clean it. |
| 21:42.10 | cncfanatics | wine ftw |
| 21:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I would agree |
| 21:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But I still test it on the windows box |
| 21:42.29 | cncfanatics | btw, Shirik, out of curiosity, how old are you ? |
| 21:42.37 | Shirik | I'll be 21 on the 20th |
| 21:42.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge a-stray-cat (n=chris@moobilenet1-129.ucdavis.edu) |
| 21:42.49 | cncfanatics | in university I supose ? :) |
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| 21:42.52 | Shirik | aye |
| 21:43.01 | cncfanatics | what major ? |
| 21:43.05 | End | man, incgamers have had so many issues with malicious code :-/ |
| 21:43.05 | cncfanatics | & what minor ? :) |
| 21:43.05 | Shirik | computer engineering |
| 21:43.10 | malreth | you shouldn't be telling people what to do... you're just a kid |
| 21:43.14 | malreth | :p |
| 21:43.21 | Shirik | minor is actually technically an "AOC," avionics |
| 21:43.44 | cncfanatics | heh, I'm currently in the process of choosing an university, and a direction, any suggestions ? /) |
| 21:43.54 | Shirik | depends on what you want to do |
| 21:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah |
| 21:44.00 | cogwheel | traditional academia is overrated imo |
| 21:44.05 | Shirik | I was debating between going into aerospace engineering and computer engineering |
| 21:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ruster is an idiot |
| 21:44.13 | malreth | cncfanatics: you should be a gigolo |
| 21:44.14 | Shirik | So I combined the two and ended up at embry-riddle aeronautical |
| 21:44.17 | Shirik | I'm very satisfied |
| 21:44.24 | ScytheBlade1 | QUIT TRYING TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE YOUR "VIRUS SCANNER" CALLS IT CLEAN, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY CLEAN! |
| 21:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.27 | cncfanatics | mainly hesitating between physics & informatics atm |
| 21:44.27 | cogwheel | i think the whole university system needs to be destroyed... it's as much of a relic as telegraphs |
| 21:44.39 | End | the first two years of college were somewhat worthless, but the least year and a half have been useful |
| 21:44.52 | Shirik | cogwheel: I just absolutely love the stuff I'm working on here |
| 21:44.53 | End | well, maybe not useful, but interesting at least :P |
| 21:44.56 | Shirik | two robot projects right now |
| 21:45.01 | Shirik | so much fun |
| 21:45.04 | cncfanatics | cogwheel, aren't you teaching in one ? |
| 21:45.06 | cogwheel | Shirik: how much General ed did you have to take to get there? |
| 21:45.08 | Shirik | I wouldn't have gotten into them if I weren't at the university |
| 21:45.13 | Shirik | none :/ |
| 21:45.16 | Shirik | Aside from HS of course |
| 21:45.17 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: no |
| 21:45.26 | cncfanatics | oh wait, it was cladhaire who was |
| 21:45.29 | cncfanatics | confusing you both :( |
| 21:45.31 | cogwheel | Shirik: well /win then :P |
| 21:46.03 | Shirik | =) |
| 21:46.07 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: understandable... nick starts with c, both working on wowprogramming |
| 21:46.09 | cogwheel | etc |
| 21:46.13 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:46.19 | cncfanatics | both writing on the same book too ? |
| 21:46.22 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: what?!?! you mean virus scanners are the magic cure-all solution?? |
| 21:46.24 | cncfanatics | or is that only clad ? |
| 21:46.27 | cogwheel | Shirik: high school being another story entirely though :P |
| 21:46.34 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: |
| 21:46.37 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:46.37 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 21:46.47 | cncfanatics | thought so |
| 21:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: He's so stupid it makes me want to... sdhgiaugawgiuwahfiawhfjkfhz. |
| 21:47.18 | End | heh, nice, you got the LFG guy to do your cover :P |
| 21:47.23 | Esamynn|Work | ~calm ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:47.23 | purl | ACTION sooths ScytheBlade1, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm ScytheBlade1 down. |
| 21:47.37 | cncfanatics | what is the aprox release date these days ? cogwheel |
| 21:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Any time someone says "But I have a virus scanner!" it makes me want to spend four seconds looking at their computer and pull trojan after trojan off of it. |
| 21:47.53 | cncfanatics | can't find any date :( |
| 21:47.54 | Esamynn|Work | April |
| 21:47.56 | cncfanatics | maybe I'm blind |
| 21:47.59 | cogwheel | scroll down :P |
| 21:48.27 | cncfanatics | :( |
| 21:48.28 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: But I have a virus scanner! |
| 21:48.33 | cncfanatics | where are thou , release date ? |
| 21:48.37 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: that's why i *don't* have a virus scanner |
| 21:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: same |
| 21:48.57 | art3mis_ | i have avg |
| 21:49.01 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: but my home boxes are also all behind 3 fire walls so.... ;) |
| 21:49.06 | art3mis_ | it lets me know where my keygens for certain programs are ;P |
| 21:49.08 | cncfanatics | I don't have a virus scanner either, debian ftw |
| 21:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: since firewalls protect you from apps you downloaded ;) |
| 21:49.25 | art3mis_ | since 99% of all keygens get falsely read as keyloggers/trojans |
| 21:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: sorry if that came across wrong, but this... just... wow, stupidity |
| 21:49.44 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: nah, I understand |
| 21:49.52 | malreth | Saint-N: yeah... why is that? |
| 21:49.57 | cncfanatics | art3mis_, why do they anyway ? |
| 21:50.01 | cncfanatics | <--- curious as always |
| 21:50.02 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: I'm lucky, no stupid people in my house 8) |
| 21:50.15 | malreth | oh hey... look... some new files got installed on my computer for me |
| 21:50.18 | malreth | how handy |
| 21:50.24 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 21:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: I'm not, a while ago my sister caught an IM worm that installed no less than seven backdoors and two spambots |
| 21:50.25 | Saint-N | im not entirely sure, near as i can tell if it directly modifies programs(ie patching and stuff) it gets tagged like that |
| 21:50.33 | Esamynn|Work | ouch |
| 21:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: I watched my connection DIE under her computer trying to send a literal 1000 e-mails/sec |
| 21:50.55 | Saint-N | is she cute? |
| 21:50.56 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: one of my brothers always whined at me for not allowing him to have MSN installed |
| 21:51.03 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: they get tagged like that because the game and app devs want them to be |
| 21:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Saint-N: die |
| 21:51.14 | cncfanatics | MentalPower, silly :p ah well |
| 21:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: to be fair, she's the only one who has her own computer... all of the other siblings have one computer, with no admin rights to it |
| 21:51.31 | cncfanatics | if people can write a keygen for your serials, get a better algorithm tbh |
| 21:51.42 | Saint-N | heh |
| 21:51.46 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: no algo is unbreakable |
| 21:51.48 | Arrowmaster | you can write keygens for every serial |
| 21:51.53 | malreth | cncfanatics: the application is in the hands of the enemy |
| 21:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That computer is fine (though I do see SmileyCentral.exe, SmileyCentral(1).exe, SmileyCentral(2).exe, all the way up to 7 at times, from them trying to install it...) |
| 21:52.00 | cncfanatics | true, but some do take more time then others |
| 21:52.10 | Saint-N | it's not worth the effort tbh |
| 21:52.11 | malreth | can't stop the serials from being discovered |
| 21:52.12 | Arrowmaster | if you have access to the program that validates the serials you can make a keygen for it |
| 21:52.20 | cncfanatics | ScyteBlade1, ain't smileyshit widely known as containing spam shit ? |
| 21:52.27 | Saint-N | you can take some steps but when you're outnumbered at least 1000:1 |
| 21:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:52.36 | MentalPower | serials are fundamentally flawed |
| 21:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why they don't have any admin rights :) |
| 21:52.38 | malreth | online activation helps... to some degree |
| 21:52.43 | cncfanatics | ok, then, online activation |
| 21:52.54 | cncfanatics | also hackable using proxies, but thats a huge bother |
| 21:52.54 | Arrowmaster | but you can write cracks for that |
| 21:52.56 | Saint-N | mal: only until someone makes a fake proxy to self validate and then patches itto never check again |
| 21:53.14 | malreth | Saint-N: hence... to some degree |
| 21:53.26 | Saint-N | you're talking about cracking people that in most cases have been doing it longer than the people who made the algo have been on a computer |
| 21:53.37 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, true :p |
| 21:53.47 | cncfanatics | wouldn't encrypting the program with a private key work to some degree ? |
| 21:53.51 | malreth | nope |
| 21:53.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:53.54 | Saint-N | thats also mostly why nix stands up better to security bugs |
| 21:53.58 | malreth | the program is in the hands of the enemy |
| 21:54.14 | End | cncfanatics: you have to decrypt it somehow on the user's machine |
| 21:54.23 | malreth | they'd have the program and any keys necessary to reverse engineer the algorithm |
| 21:54.29 | Saint-N | if its popular NOTHING will stop a patch or keygen from coming out |
| 21:54.31 | Esamynn|Work | perhaps cncfanatics meant signing? |
| 21:54.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [dRaCo] (n=drc@p5B22A3D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:54.42 | Saint-N | most of the time the only good way to protect it is a hardware dongle |
| 21:54.48 | Saint-N | but even so those are still flawed |
| 21:54.52 | MentalPower | even then |
| 21:54.54 | malreth | verily |
| 21:54.56 | End | I'm not sure how signing would help here |
| 21:55.03 | MentalPower | if you have one, you can emulate it |
| 21:55.23 | malreth | and if you can emulate it, you can send copies to others |
| 21:55.23 | Esamynn|Work | signing the binary would be another obstacle to 3rd party patches |
| 21:55.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cncfanatic1 (n=evolve@109.69-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:55.33 | Saint-N | but as far as it goes having a hardware dongle reuiqre multi validation as the program runs creates overhead for the program, and while it offers extra security you're gonna get it at the cost of legit users |
| 21:55.42 | End | that'd prevent modification, not decompilation |
| 21:56.05 | Saint-N | its a game at this point |
| 21:56.09 | Saint-N | no-one is gonna win |
| 21:56.11 | End | which, I guess can be helpful, but you really can't win :P |
| 21:56.18 | Esamynn|Work | it's an on going war, that no one will ever "win" |
| 21:56.19 | cncfanatic1 | checking the md5 of the program with an internaly stocked md5 is pointless to I supose, as the stocked md5 could be altered anyway |
| 21:56.21 | Arrowmaster | those that write keygens and cracks are usually the ones that probably learned to code directly in assembly, they can rip your program inside out and and do whatever they want with it probably, those that wrote it probably never even learned that kinda stuff |
| 21:56.23 | |Jelly| | I love when people tell you to get on vent. You tell them that you're listening to loud music. They QQ until you join. They say hi. You say hi. They bitch about your music. I DIDN'T WANT TO JOIN IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE! |
| 21:56.32 | malreth | which is why companies would be better of focusing on making their product better than trying to prevent piracy |
| 21:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:56.49 | cncfanatic1 | Arrowmaster, don't some places still learn assembly ? |
| 21:56.53 | Saint-N | arrow: nods i knew beowulf from razor1911 back in the day |
| 21:56.58 | Saint-N | that boy was a freak of nature |
| 21:57.04 | Saint-N | he ONLY knew assem |
| 21:57.21 | Saint-N | and i never saw anything he gave up on making a keygen or patch for |
| 21:57.27 | Arrowmaster | some places still teach it, not many |
| 21:57.45 | cncfanatic1 | I don't understand why you wouldn't want to learn it, its like, damn handy |
| 21:57.52 | cncfanatic1 | in some situations, true, but still handy |
| 21:57.55 | Saint-N | to be fair though, warez are essentially like a library |
| 21:58.01 | Esamynn|Work | I did a little assembly in my first year at Uni, I haven't looked at it since |
| 21:58.06 | Saint-N | if you cant get a feel from ademo you get the full version |
| 21:58.11 | Saint-N | if you like it you buy it |
| 21:58.19 | malreth | i learned MIPS assembly in college |
| 21:58.22 | Saint-N | and under no circumstances has anyone i've know sold it |
| 21:58.43 | cncfanatic1 | I rarely buy software tbh |
| 21:58.50 | Saint-N | if you sell a warez version the company loses potential funds and you essentially drive the company over and a good program goes away |
| 21:59.00 | Saint-N | over/under |
| 21:59.21 | Saint-N | but if you borrow it... you get a feel for it and purchase when you can afford it |
| 21:59.27 | Saint-N | plus you tell others about it |
| 21:59.30 | Saint-N | and they buy it |
| 21:59.35 | cncfanatics | Saint-N: most people don't buy it though |
| 21:59.35 | Saint-N | kind of like AVG |
| 21:59.47 | Saint-N | a good portion of the people that use stuff DO end up getting it |
| 21:59.53 | Saint-N | or the company that hires them does |
| 22:00.04 | Saint-N | speaking of photoshop and the like |
| 22:00.17 | Saint-N | avg is free to all home users |
| 22:00.17 | cncfanatics | hmmm, true |
| 22:00.23 | Saint-N | because most techs will install it |
| 22:00.28 | Saint-N | get famailiar with it |
| 22:00.37 | Saint-N | and when asked in a business environment they will reccomend it |
| 22:00.47 | Saint-N | thus gaining the business sector purchase of it |
| 22:00.58 | cncfanatics | true true |
| 22:01.11 | Saint-N | and iuts worked very well for them |
| 22:01.25 | Saint-N | to the point that all the techs i know will remove mcafee and norton and put in avg |
| 22:01.33 | Saint-N | because its not as intrusive and annoying |
| 22:01.45 | Lunessa | I'm now removing AVG and getting something else. |
| 22:01.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah i found AVG annoying |
| 22:02.06 | Lunessa | I find it self-corrupting. |
| 22:02.10 | cncfanatics | I removed norton from my ex windows box long ago |
| 22:02.10 | Saint-N | oh? |
| 22:02.23 | Arrowmaster | stupid thing only updates when an admin logs in, wont update for normal users |
| 22:02.30 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 22:02.36 | Saint-N | thats because you fail at installation ;P |
| 22:02.37 | cncfanatics | can't you configure that Arrowmaster ? |
| 22:02.56 | Arrowmaster | i uninstalled it and put avast4home on my dads comp |
| 22:03.02 | Saint-N | my main gripe is that it does an auto update and scan if the machine's been off |
| 22:03.08 | Saint-N | avast is hideous |
| 22:03.18 | Saint-N | and not very well ranked on "getting the bugs" |
| 22:03.27 | Arrowmaster | neither is avg |
| 22:03.29 | malreth | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/01/11/apple_hoists_theres_something_in_the_air_macworld_banners.html |
| 22:03.42 | malreth | next week's announcement is going to be the Apple Blimp |
| 22:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 22:03.45 | Saint-N | i do like nod32 though |
| 22:03.47 | malreth | you heard it here first |
| 22:03.48 | cogwheel | Can someone remind me whether binary search is O(log n) and quick sort is O(n log n) |
| 22:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That keylogger? |
| 22:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.16 | Esamynn|Work | cogwheel: yes, that's right |
| 22:04.22 | krka | nope |
| 22:04.26 | Esamynn|Work | oh no wait |
| 22:04.26 | krka | quicksort is O(n^2) |
| 22:04.33 | krka | but nlogn on average |
| 22:04.41 | cogwheel | ah |
| 22:04.46 | cogwheel | that's what it was... |
| 22:04.51 | krka | mergesort is O(nlogn) |
| 22:05.01 | krka | and heapsort, and a couple more |
| 22:05.01 | cncfanatics | omg, I have no idea what you're talking about :( |
| 22:05.14 | malreth | cncfanatics: you don't want to know |
| 22:05.18 | cogwheel | it's been ~5 years since my data structures and algorithms class :P |
| 22:05.23 | malreth | stay far far away from computer science |
| 22:05.25 | cncfanatics | I probably will in a few years anyway, univ next year malreth |
| 22:05.29 | malreth | it'll fuck your brain up |
| 22:05.30 | cogwheel | O.o 6 now i suppose |
| 22:05.31 | Esamynn|Work | mergesort is about 2n log n compared to the quicksort average though |
| 22:05.35 | cncfanatics | I'm most probably doing computer science xD |
| 22:05.43 | krka | quicksort is generally faster in practice though |
| 22:05.52 | Esamynn|Work | thus the name :) |
| 22:06.27 | krka | right |
| 22:06.54 | Saint-N | polarina: whats that addon you made with the built in price DB? |
| 22:07.21 | malreth | you'll take data structures and algorithms and classes like that... you'll learn about mergesorts and red-black trees and all sorts of cool things |
| 22:07.34 | malreth | and then you end up being a worse programmer |
| 22:07.51 | malreth | so you forget it all and go back to coding by the seat of your pants |
| 22:08.00 | Esamynn|Work | ~poke malreth |
| 22:08.01 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind malreth, pokes malreth repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:08.04 | malreth | and then it'll all make sense to you |
| 22:09.20 | cncfanatics | malreth: that was , eh, cryptic at best |
| 22:09.46 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: just ignore him, prison made him wacko |
| 22:09.56 | malreth | i recommend that you study something that will actually make a difference in the world... like hotel management |
| 22:10.09 | Esamynn|Work | ~gag malreth |
| 22:10.10 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of malreth and, as an additional precaution, sews malreth's mouth shut permanently... |
| 22:10.17 | Josh_Borke | there's nothing you can study that wouldn't make a difference |
| 22:10.33 | cncfanatics | malreth: I suggest you to go to the hospital right away and tell the docters they need to help you with your "problems" |
| 22:10.57 | Esamynn|Work | cncfanatics: what makes you think they haven't tried? |
| 22:10.58 | malreth | cncfanatics: they already told me that the testicular swelling will subside in 3-4 days |
| 22:11.11 | malreth | damn... this shit hurts! |
| 22:11.18 | Saint-N | my first problem is : if a train leaves washington at 63 mph and is travelling east during a show storm........ |
| 22:11.40 | Esamynn|Work | a show storm? |
| 22:11.45 | Saint-N | thats whatchya get for too much humpa humpa |
| 22:11.47 | Saint-N | yes |
| 22:11.52 | Saint-N | complete with jazz hands |
| 22:12.05 | malreth | excellent advice, Saint-N... |
| 22:12.07 | cncfanatics | zzz, think I'm going to bed |
| 22:12.12 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart3mis |
| 22:12.12 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 22:12.17 | cncfanatics | g'night peeps |
| 22:12.21 | malreth | later cncfanatics |
| 22:12.33 | cncfanatics | malreth: I hope they take you to a place where you can get phychiatric help |
| 22:12.41 | Shirik | !ap 1600 |
| 22:12.41 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1600 is, 2v2: 353, 3v3: 409, 5v5: 465 |
| 22:12.53 | malreth | i self diagnose... i have a BA in Psychology |
| 22:13.07 | *** part/#wowi-lounge cncfanatics (n=evolve@109.69-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:13.22 | malreth | which qualifies me for high school counselor |
| 22:13.44 | Esamynn|Work | now that's scary |
| 22:14.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I posted the Last-Modified bit in the post right above your last... in theory that's when the file in question was modified, so everyone past that point in time is infected |
| 22:14.32 | malreth | i specialized in cognitive therapy and perception |
| 22:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Might want to consider editing your OP with big letters + that datestamp |
| 22:15.16 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: aye |
| 22:16.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116) |
| 22:17.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Neebler (n=BuM@adsl-64-163-110-147.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 22:19.18 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: have you started playing with it yet? |
| 22:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: nah but I can, if Shirik says it's the same I'd believe that |
| 22:20.04 | Cairenn | having additional independant confirmation of it would be good, so we don't get accused of "just trying to ruin their rep" |
| 22:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still busy laughing like a maniac over Rush in general.. |
| 22:20.26 | Cairenn | eh |
| 22:20.28 | Cairenn | heh* |
| 22:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Site affiliation removed, this... "We scan them! I scanned it! It's clean! I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!" |
| 22:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, I'm done |
| 22:21.09 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:21.09 | purl | judo chops ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:21.10 | Cairenn | site affiliation removed? |
| 22:21.14 | Josh_Borke | the world would be a better place if people could accept advice and help |
| 22:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sitting here in #WoWI-Lounge, not #IncGamers-Lounge |
| 22:21.31 | End | Josh_Borke: there is such a thing as bad advice :P |
| 22:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying "me as me, this is funny, ignore the fact that I'm sitting here in this specific channel" |
| 22:21.59 | End | however, with this, it's worth checking these things :P |
| 22:22.13 | Cairenn | the channel may be hosted by WoWI (in the form of me), but it's never been site specific, we've got staff from other sites in here |
| 22:22.26 | Josh_Borke | yea, like wowace *boo hiss* |
| 22:22.36 | Josh_Borke | and ct mod *boo hiss* |
| 22:22.38 | Cairenn | and curse, and wiki, and ... |
| 22:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I know, but it's logged, and I'm not about to spread bad karma to sites unrelated to this (yours, others) |
| 22:22.51 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 22:22.54 | Josh_Borke | i have no karma |
| 22:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma Josh_Borke |
| 22:23.00 | purl | josh_borke has karma of 1 |
| 22:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Liar |
| 22:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 22:23.29 | Josh_Borke | hm, today was possibly a bad day to wear contacts |
| 22:23.30 | Josh_Borke | blah |
| 22:23.40 | End | yeah, well, I have no karma |
| 22:23.47 | Josh_Borke | ~karma end |
| 22:23.47 | purl | end has neutral karma |
| 22:23.51 | Josh_Borke | it's true |
| 22:23.53 | End | :P |
| 22:24.10 | malreth | ~karma malreth |
| 22:24.10 | purl | malreth has neutral karma |
| 22:24.18 | malreth | LIES! |
| 22:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth-- |
| 22:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma malreth |
| 22:24.35 | purl | malreth has neutral karma |
| 22:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I forgot the syntax |
| 22:24.44 | malreth | i should be so far negative that i stand a risk of spontaneously turning into a cricket |
| 22:24.47 | Josh_Borke | --malreth |
| 22:24.51 | Josh_Borke | purl, help karma |
| 22:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | $malreth-- |
| 22:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma malreth |
| 22:24.58 | purl | malreth has neutral karma |
| 22:25.02 | Josh_Borke | karmar for malreth? |
| 22:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, I did forget it |
| 22:25.07 | Josh_Borke | karma for malreth? |
| 22:25.12 | Josh_Borke | malreth -- |
| 22:25.18 | Josh_Borke | ~literal karma |
| 22:25.19 | purl | "karma" is "$1 has power karma" |
| 22:25.19 | End | ~malreth-- |
| 22:25.28 | malreth | this is funny! |
| 22:25.28 | Josh_Borke | ~karma malreth |
| 22:25.28 | purl | malreth has karma of -1 |
| 22:25.31 | End | :D |
| 22:25.36 | Josh_Borke | ~josh_borke-- |
| 22:25.40 | Josh_Borke | see! i have no karma! |
| 22:25.41 | End | you have to direct it at purl I guess |
| 22:25.46 | End | ~karma josh_borke |
| 22:25.46 | purl | josh_borke has karma of 1 |
| 22:25.47 | Josh_Borke | (05:25:37 PM) purl: please don't karma yourself <-- drat |
| 22:25.52 | Lunessa | What's the square root of negative karma? |
| 22:26.07 | End | sqrt(karma)*i |
| 22:26.08 | malreth | Lunessa: i can imagine what it would be |
| 22:26.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, that's fun |
| 22:26.12 | Shirik | !ap 1569 |
| 22:26.12 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1569 is, 2v2: 323, 3v3: 374, 5v5: 425 |
| 22:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not infected |
| 22:26.33 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: it's clean for you? |
| 22:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: looking like it. Let me keep poking. |
| 22:26.53 | kd3 | gah. who got infected this time? |
| 22:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, so far, I'm clean |
| 22:27.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Do you have reflector? |
| 22:27.38 | Shirik | And what program are you looking at? |
| 22:27.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: nope, and the files on my hard drive |
| 22:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I just outright installed it |
| 22:27.56 | Shirik | I wouldn't use that as a basis |
| 22:28.06 | Shirik | There are billions of trojans that wait before installing themselves |
| 22:28.17 | Shirik | Besides my understanding is that it won't happen until UI Central tries to update itself |
| 22:28.40 | Shirik | Instead look at the quite obvious code |
| 22:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: any way to force that? |
| 22:28.55 | Shirik | Uh, if you really want to try killing yourself you could try running patcher.exe I guess |
| 22:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 22:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing happened |
| 22:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It popped up UI Central, no bad files appeared |
| 22:29.20 | Shirik | Don't know what to tell you then. I'm looking at the code directly. |
| 22:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | How do I work Reflector? |
| 22:29.55 | Shirik | Do you have it? |
| 22:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I do now |
| 22:30.08 | Shirik | ok file->open |
| 22:30.15 | Shirik | You should see an object "Patcher" appear |
| 22:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Got that far |
| 22:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Where in the tree is this code? |
| 22:30.29 | Shirik | patcher.exe->form1->getFile |
| 22:30.38 | Shirik | patcher.exe->form1->runFile |
| 22:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 22:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, yup |
| 22:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the problematic files |
| 22:30.59 | Cairenn | so it IS there? |
| 22:31.02 | Shirik | it's like |
| 22:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | In the source |
| 22:31.04 | Shirik | Cairenn you can't missi t |
| 22:31.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge tedrock (n=tedrock@d235-159-75.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 22:31.07 | Shirik | that's how evident it is |
| 22:31.07 | Cairenn | you can see them as well? |
| 22:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me keep poking a sec |
| 22:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, weird how that didn't trojan me |
| 22:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik's right, it's right there in the binary |
| 22:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: where would it download that to? %TEMP%? |
| 22:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Ran Patcher.exe again and still nothing happened :/ |
| 22:33.50 | Shirik | I'm not familiar with .NET so I can't say for sure |
| 22:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Me either, that's why I asked |
| 22:34.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphon (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 22:34.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Look through that for a reference to a POST, to /xiaojj/Get.asp |
| 22:34.23 | Cairenn | maybe because you haven't logged in to wow? (NOT suggesting that you do!!!) |
| 22:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 22:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | A good idea! |
| 22:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Brand new second account, too. |
| 22:34.44 | Cairenn | but might it be looking for that, before it triggers? |
| 22:34.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I've already found a reference to that actually |
| 22:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: k, I'm seeing that in the wireshark dump |
| 22:35.07 | Cairenn | I'm not so think as you dumb I am! |
| 22:35.16 | Shirik | it's in getStauts() (sic) |
| 22:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft, when did I say you were dumb? |
| 22:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, it sure is |
| 22:35.37 | Shirik | er, sorry, getStuats() |
| 22:35.46 | Shirik | See how beautiful reflector is now :D |
| 22:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I assume that Reflector displays the code in a linear order? |
| 22:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I'm *not* seeing it getting the file in wireshark |
| 22:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But I am seeing that POST |
| 22:36.17 | Shirik | no reflector just displays it however it appears |
| 22:36.26 | Shirik | I believe in alphabetical order |
| 22:36.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, k |
| 22:36.32 | Shirik | the SOURCE of course is in order |
| 22:36.39 | Shirik | but individual functions may not be |
| 22:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: in any case, the file I grabbed off of incgamers contains bad code indeed |
| 22:37.11 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: thank you |
| 22:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | The question, is if that code is actually working as expected |
| 22:37.59 | Cairenn | that I really don't care about, to be honest - we know it has it, the warning to the community is not incorrect, and we know how to clean it |
| 22:38.27 | Cairenn | that sounds awful, I know, but |
| 22:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not your site, not your program |
| 22:39.00 | Cairenn | if it doesn't work (the malicious code), that's great - but if it does work, we've got the warning out and how to fix it |
| 22:39.26 | Cairenn | make any more sense when worded that way? |
| 22:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, it made sense before ;) |
| 22:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You forget that I'm technically an admin of a (now mostly dead) SC/War3/War2/D1/D2/D3 modding site |
| 22:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: looks like it's a timed event actually? |
| 22:40.26 | Shirik | I can't really tell |
| 22:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | getFile() -> Right-click -> Analyze |
| 22:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Used By" -> "timer1_Tick" |
| 22:41.13 | Shirik | ha. |
| 22:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That it? |
| 22:41.49 | Shirik | could be |
| 22:41.56 | Shirik | I don't have a ton of experience with .NET unfortunately |
| 22:42.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Fin (n=Fin@mimi.instinct.org) |
| 22:43.32 | End | wait, so it only infects you if you run the program long enough? |
| 22:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | this.timer1.Interval = 0x124f80; |
| 22:43.48 | Shirik | That's not uncommon |
| 22:43.51 | End | yeah, I see that |
| 22:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Seconds I would assume |
| 22:44.02 | End | if it is, that's a lot of seconds |
| 22:44.06 | End | I'm betting it is milliseconds |
| 22:44.12 | Shirik | lua> foo = tonumber("124f80", 16); print(foo) |
| 22:44.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1200000 |
| 22:44.26 | End | yeah, that's not seconds me thinks |
| 22:44.32 | Shirik | lua> 1200000 / 1000 / 60 / 60 |
| 22:44.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.33333333333333 |
| 22:44.43 | Shirik | if that's milliseconds it would take 20 minutes |
| 22:44.50 | End | yea |
| 22:45.05 | End | so, if you run the program for less than 20 minutes, you are fine |
| 22:45.10 | Shirik | let me go look up that class |
| 22:45.38 | End | The time, in milliseconds, between raisings of the Elapsed event. The default is 100 milliseconds. |
| 22:45.42 | End | from msdn |
| 22:45.53 | Shirik | .NET Timer class? |
| 22:45.55 | End | yes |
| 22:45.59 | End | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.timers.timer.interval.aspx |
| 22:46.00 | Shirik | then that makes sense |
| 22:46.07 | Cairenn | finally!!!! |
| 22:46.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 22:46.18 | Cairenn | my PM to Rushster: |
| 22:46.18 | MentalPower | Cairenn: huh? |
| 22:46.19 | Shirik | finally? |
| 22:46.27 | Cairenn | I hate malicious coders: |
| 22:46.29 | Cairenn | And unfortunately, you've been hit again. Shirik downloaded UICentral from you guys today and decompiled it. You are infected again. He's got all the details. He posted in the thread on here. Please get in touch with him so he can tell you the info. Also, the program that ScytheBlade wrote last time should get rid of it again this time, since it's the same one. |
| 22:46.29 | Cairenn | Regards, |
| 22:46.29 | Cairenn | Cairenn |
| 22:46.38 | Cairenn | his response: |
| 22:46.39 | Cairenn | Hi |
| 22:46.39 | Cairenn | Thanks. I was watching this last night and did a file check and it checked out OK following a report. I then checked the file just now after getting in from work anbd the date timestamp has changed as of 2:15 this afternoon, AFTER the reports which seems really suspicious. The file is not online for anyone to grab and will not be going back up on this server in the forseeable future. |
| 22:46.40 | Cairenn | If Shirik has any useful info then he can drop me a mail over on paul@incgamers.com, as I can check that mail from either the office or home. |
| 22:46.43 | Cairenn | Thanks again |
| 22:46.45 | Cairenn | Paul |
| 22:46.53 | Cairenn | ***The file is not online for anyone to grab and will not be going back up on this server in the forseeable future.*** |
| 22:47.04 | Shirik | oh that's good new |
| 22:47.05 | Shirik | s |
| 22:47.06 | Cairenn | that's what inspired the "finally!" |
| 22:47.15 | MentalPower | woot! |
| 22:47.21 | End | Cairenn: yay! acknowledgement! |
| 22:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It's online now.. |
| 22:47.33 | Cairenn | cache |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, a pair of caches |
| 22:47.44 | Fin | Shirik: grats and stuff~! |
| 22:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, yup |
| 22:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It ran |
| 22:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ~180 seconds into program execution |
| 22:48.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Paradox (n=Paradox@cpc2-brmb4-0-0-cust295.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:49.01 | End | only 180 seconds? |
| 22:49.03 | End | weird |
| 22:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 22:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't run |
| 22:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 404'd |
| 22:49.37 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:50:46 ERROR 404: Object Not Found. |
| 22:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | These "evil people" are quick to the draw |
| 22:51.11 | Shirik | is it really not there anymore? |
| 22:51.26 | Shirik | wow |
| 22:51.26 | End | ya |
| 22:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.27 | Shirik | it's gone |
| 22:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You tell me |
| 22:51.29 | End | I'm getting a 404 too |
| 22:51.35 | Shirik | Yeah they removed it |
| 22:51.40 | Shirik | I know it was there before I downloaded it :) |
| 22:51.46 | MentalPower | 404 |
| 22:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, my windows desktop is still clean |
| 22:52.46 | Matrix110 | wowui fails again?! :D |
| 22:52.49 | Shirik | I can't believe they already removed the file |
| 22:52.51 | Matrix110 | so funny this page |
| 22:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't either |
| 22:52.54 | Shirik | that's some quick work |
| 22:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | In all honesty, I can see it going back up in a bit |
| 22:54.05 | MentalPower | they *still* don't have VS2008 up |
| 22:55.06 | End | how interesting. |
| 22:55.23 | End | so, there's a method called getStuats() |
| 22:55.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Xion (n=Xion@195.85.238.197) |
| 22:55.40 | Shirik | I especially like tianchong() |
| 22:55.45 | End | it makes a request, which determines whether to download the program or not |
| 22:55.56 | End | program=fake updater |
| 22:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol yeah |
| 22:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | tianchong() is epic |
| 22:56.23 | Shirik | indeed. |
| 22:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: md5sum of your update.exe? |
| 22:58.40 | Shirik | dododo |
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| 22:59.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Thelyna (n=burp@219-89-246-102.adsl.xtra.co.nz) |
| 23:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh, the POST is good times. |
| 23:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They're sending in your computer name and your Hard Drive serial. |
| 23:03.14 | End | yeah |
| 23:03.19 | End | I saw that too |
| 23:03.22 | Shirik | 95d6ed15bcbf25ae0e4b8b028846c815 |
| 23:03.56 | Cairenn | wow! |
| 23:04.05 | End | waffles? |
| 23:04.15 | Shirik | wow? |
| 23:04.23 | Cairenn | the thread on incgamers is gone |
| 23:04.32 | End | :-/ |
| 23:04.38 | Shirik | that deserves a "wow!" ? |
| 23:04.53 | Cairenn | I just didn't see him doing that this time |
| 23:04.56 | Cairenn | it was harmless |
| 23:04.57 | End | I'm not surprised really |
| 23:05.01 | Kalroth | Shirik: well it was a pretty hash you just pasted |
| 23:05.02 | Cairenn | unlike last time |
| 23:05.11 | Shirik | It was pretty |
| 23:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. Looks like they changed the filename and the file a bit from the last infection, too |
| 23:05.52 | Kalroth | incgamers is spreading "love" again? :) |
| 23:05.58 | End | unfortunately, I'm not sure how they are really gonna stop this crap from happening again :-/ |
| 23:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Before it was updata.exe and b933e305dee38a68b2f36ebea27e1c8e |
| 23:06.34 | Shirik | yeah it was a bit more difficult to disassemble this time |
| 23:06.35 | End | their site gets stupid crap uploaded on it again and again, there's something very wrong there. |
| 23:06.44 | Shirik | it had polymorphic code |
| 23:06.46 | Cairenn | interesting ... you guys read the comments on the uicentral download page itself? |
| 23:06.50 | Kalroth | Dont. Accept. Executeables. |
| 23:07.12 | Cairenn | 10 days ago it was reported as still having it, 6 days ago, 3 days ago, yesterday .... |
| 23:07.28 | Kalroth | Why would any site offer downloads of executeables uploaded by anonymous people. |
| 23:07.32 | End | Kalroth: in this case, there's either an excutable or nothing |
| 23:07.42 | End | and this is a tool provided by incgamers themselves I believe |
| 23:07.48 | End | also |
| 23:07.50 | End | "UIC will not go back online in the forseeable future." |
| 23:07.56 | End | I found that interesting |
| 23:07.57 | Kalroth | Oh |
| 23:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 23:14.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 23:14.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 23:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% unrelated news |
| 23:14.17 | Kalroth | Boobies? |
| 23:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881781638&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 23:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty close! |
| 23:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "Starting immediately, we will be issuing warnings and penalties, including suspensions and the removal of Honor points and Honor rewards, for non-participation in Battleground games. " |
| 23:14.40 | Kalroth | wow |
| 23:14.48 | KarlKFI | sag_ich_nicht: what? |
| 23:14.50 | End | wow |
| 23:16.09 | Fin | ScytheBlade1: nice! |
| 23:16.23 | Duman | WOW! |
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| 23:19.16 | Duman | that's rad |
| 23:19.22 | Duman | we'll see if it works |
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| 23:20.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Poor GM services |
| 23:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be abusing this new "feature" |
| 23:20.38 | Duman | yeah :-/ |
| 23:22.24 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
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| 23:27.12 | Shirik | Now that the whole trojan fiasco is over |
| 23:27.14 | Shirik | Time to go get some good food |
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| 23:44.21 | art3mis | what a load of crap |
| 23:44.44 | art3mis | yer machine locks up you appear afk since you alt-f4'd you dont respond to tells and get a 3day ban cuz it happened in bgs? |
| 23:44.50 | art3mis | bloody whiners |
| 23:47.04 | Duman | you'll have to be afk a lot worse than that |
| 23:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: once? I doubt they'd action you for that |
| 23:47.12 | Duman | like, repeatedly in multiple BGs |
| 23:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: but for multiple games on end? |
| 23:47.15 | art3mis | depends on who reports it |
| 23:47.22 | art3mis | i constantly lock up in bgas |
| 23:47.24 | art3mis | bgs |
| 23:47.27 | art3mis | still not sure why |
| 23:47.33 | Duman | might want to fix that? :-) |
| 23:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it depends on what their investigation comes back with. |
| 23:47.53 | art3mis | its a retarded section of the game |
| 23:48.04 | art3mis | with the speed of bgs who gives a rats ass if someone afks |
| 23:48.09 | art3mis | or if 39 people afk |
| 23:48.15 | Duman | they need to make AV "epic" again |
| 23:48.20 | art3mis | you simply wait for it to end and move on to the next one |
| 23:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.27 | Polarina | Saint-N: The addon with the built in item database is Valuation. |
| 23:48.50 | art3mis | thanks pola i just checked conspiracy in the interm since cidan or shirik posted it there |
| 23:49.01 | Polarina | art3mis: ? |
| 23:49.12 | art3mis | saint-n == me |
| 23:49.13 | Duman | hehe |
| 23:49.26 | art3mis | conspiracy-ui.com |
| 23:49.31 | Duman | we had a 2-day one once before... it was truly epic |
| 23:49.35 | art3mis | its in the news as a neat little addon |
| 23:49.48 | art3mis | duman: when i was on silvermoon we had a maint to maint one |
| 23:49.52 | art3mis | it was awesome |
| 23:49.53 | Duman | I mean how often are Ivus and lokholar (or whatever) summoned? |
| 23:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "Back then" I actually wound up with 2,000 honor kills in a single match (mage + AoE = ???) |
| 23:50.17 | art3mis | ive seen lok sumoned once since xrealms |
| 23:50.26 | Duman | when was the last time someone ACTUALLY completed the mine collection... |
| 23:50.33 | Duman | or ram taming/etc |
| 23:50.36 | art3mis | what would be awesome is putting in time limits |
| 23:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | These battleground problems make me wish they put the honor grind back in |
| 23:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Or the ranks, rather |
| 23:50.58 | Duman | Scythe yeah |
| 23:51.02 | art3mis | like frostwolf guards will remain at full if its been less than 15mins from the start of the bg |
| 23:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd make a LOT of people suddenly stop afking |
| 23:51.06 | Duman | pre HK-nerfing |
| 23:51.07 | Duman | then again |
| 23:51.24 | Duman | that was when (as a warrior) you could have 30 people on you and pop Intimidating Shout and they all scattered |
| 23:51.25 | Polarina | Good night. |
| 23:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
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| 23:57.24 | Shirik | art3mis, I wouldn't complain about it until we actually see how strong they're being in enforcing these new rules |
| 23:57.51 | Shirik | I'm sure Blizzard's not stupid enough to go banhappy on anyone whom appears to be afk, they'll go for the big guns |
| 23:58.51 | art3mis | 1. Make macro |
| 23:58.51 | art3mis | /cast !Auto shot |
| 23:58.51 | art3mis | /cast Aimed Shot(Rank 7) |
| 23:58.51 | art3mis | /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear() |
| 23:58.51 | art3mis | 2. Pick a desired target. |
| 23:58.52 | art3mis | 3. Start casting Steady Shot ( simple spell without use of any macros ) |
| 23:58.54 | art3mis | 4. Now when the Steady Shot has been cast you need to clip the incomming Auto Shot with the use of that macro. Meaning after the Steady Shot is done you need to press the macro around 0.1 sec - 0.4 sec after the succesful cast. |
| 23:58.58 | art3mis | 5. Profit |
| 23:59.00 | art3mis | shirik: rtue nuff i suppose |
| 23:59.14 | art3mis | but its retarded that they have to enforce it at all because of whiney babies |
| 23:59.28 | Industrial | art3mis: what? @ macro ? |
| 23:59.30 | art3mis | i mean honestly could i complain that my server sucks and we never get control of halaa? |
| 23:59.39 | art3mis | no |
| 23:59.42 | art3mis | no i couldnt |
| 23:59.49 | art3mis | but the same example is being used for bgs |
