| 00:01.04 | Mike-N-Go | I'm using SWStats, and the window that pools the data lost its resizer, I did a /sws resetwin to get another window that disappeared of the screen, now this has happened. |
| 00:09.37 | Thunder_Child | heh, google fails, this is one of their links " Google Home" <http://intl/en/> |
| 00:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that's new |
| 00:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I got a lua error with Gatherer's saved variables 0_o |
| 00:15.26 | Corrodias | ah, ah, i think i've found a decent name, finally. Skaja. |
| 00:15.35 | Industrial | name for? |
| 00:15.41 | Corrodias | female orc warrior |
| 00:16.04 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, you sure do seem to take your time with createing names |
| 00:16.10 | Thunder_Child | more so than play it seems... |
| 00:16.14 | Corrodias | it has all the elements i wanted, sounds about right, and is actually available |
| 00:16.15 | Thunder_Child | s/play/playing/ |
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| 00:16.32 | Corrodias | yeah, sometimes i spend more time making up a name for a character than i do end up spending playing it |
| 00:16.33 | Industrial | my pally is named "Wtfjustaccep" |
| 00:17.05 | Corrodias | nice |
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| 00:17.31 | Corrodias | the name is something very difficult for me to work out, Thunder_Child. i am quite adept at knowing whether i can live with a name, but not very good at thinking up names |
| 00:18.03 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, random name generator ftw |
| 00:18.14 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: What is this error? |
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| 00:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: unexpected variable near <eof> |
| 00:19.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: this was in the saved variables... something WoW had written... hence why I'm a bit surprised |
| 00:19.59 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: #norganna for Gatherer support. |
| 00:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: nah, I'd just as soon click "import database" (wowhead) and move on |
| 00:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you're a gatherer dev and you're asking me to :) |
| 00:22.30 | Mike-N-Go | Well, I do have voice in that room. But your approach works. |
| 00:23.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure I actually have 0 unique nodes |
| 00:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Reimporting works fine |
| 00:24.25 | Mike-N-Go | Do you have babylonian installed? |
| 00:24.39 | Mike-N-Go | I once had a problem with my nodes without it installed. |
| 00:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 00:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And looking at the saved variables file.. it's just flat-out truncated |
| 00:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "DB:Wowhead", -- [6] |
| 00:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | }, -- [29] |
| 00:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | { |
| 00:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 0.5600000000000001, -- [1] |
| 00:25.21 | Cide | too big? |
| 00:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.1MB |
| 00:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much |
| 00:26.05 | Mike-N-Go | My Gatherer SV is 3.8 MB. |
| 00:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already deleted it and moved on |
| 00:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Just unique is all :) |
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| 00:32.22 | Corrodias | still not sure if this is quite perfect. maybe Skyja instead. |
| 00:33.14 | bleeter | Iriel: Question that kinda came up last night. Was there a list created of changes that might effect video performance in 2.3? I ask 'coz there was a Winer here last night where 2.2.x worked fine, 2.3.2 PTR worked fine, but 2.3.0 gave real shitty FPS. According to what he stated he'd done during testing, this was with vanilla installs, and WoW on it's own X server, etc. I couldn't think of anything that'd cause this, apart from someth |
| 00:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: message truncated at "apart from someth" |
| 00:34.54 | bleeter | Iriel: apart from something under the hood. ANy ideas? |
| 00:35.03 | Iriel | bleeter: Not that I know if, but I dont delve too deep into what they do on that front, it's fascinating but I dont need another rabbit hole 8-) |
| 00:35.24 | Iriel | They did add more graphics options though, did they not |
| 00:35.26 | bleeter | Iriel: hah, fair nuff. Just that I figured if anyone knew, it'd be you |
| 00:35.42 | bleeter | Yeah, think so. |
| 00:36.07 | Iriel | I'm not sure if the default configuration is more ambitious than it used to be, or if they made some big changes to the engine |
| 00:36.24 | bleeter | this guy copied the config.wtf from his 'shitty' 2.3 to 2.3.2 PTR, and he said it gave him 70FPS, just .0 gave ~5FPS |
| 00:37.05 | bleeter | just seemed all a bit too bizarre for my liking |
| 00:37.46 | Iriel | that does seem a bit too bizarre |
| 00:38.10 | reqol | does anyone know how to get xmlspy to truncate the ui: in front of all elements in the element list so I can double click them properly? |
| 00:40.29 | bleeter | holy crap, a guildie's just shot his wife! |
| 00:41.01 | Corrodias | that's a bit odd |
| 00:41.30 | bleeter | oh, it was a little while ago... de-cocking mechanism on his baretta screwed up. |
| 00:41.31 | Iriel | reqol: I think you have to set the default schema on the .xml file, but I'm not sure, I use XMLSpy for XSD work a lot but not so much XML work. |
| 00:42.03 | zenzelezz | why was he pointing a gun at her in the first place? |
| 00:42.59 | bleeter | zenzelezz: ricochet |
| 00:43.07 | reqol | did she survive? |
| 00:43.10 | bleeter | yeah |
| 00:43.36 | reqol | Iriel: I set the schema at the beginning of the project, i thought this was setting the default schema. if not, how would I go about doing that? |
| 00:44.05 | Iriel | I'm not sure, I think it's on the schema popup, under one of the menus |
| 00:44.48 | Iriel | I've not got a windows machine close by with XMLSpy on, otherwise i'd try and figure it out |
| 00:46.03 | reqol | oh, that's fine, I'm looking around myself |
| 00:48.46 | reqol | I use the Assign Schema menu, but that did not change anything, hmm |
| 00:49.04 | Iriel | It may be an option about attributes versus elements |
| 00:49.13 | reqol | that helps. thanks. |
| 00:49.52 | reqol | that last statement might have implied sarcasm; that is not the case :o |
| 00:49.57 | bleeter | next time someone in /trade asks for a link, and I provide, then someone else asks me how much I'm selling/buying for, I think I'm gunna stab folks. |
| 00:50.29 | Corrodias | that can be prevented by whispering it, by the way |
| 00:50.55 | bleeter | 'can you link it so we can all see it's sucky stats' was the request :P |
| 00:51.18 | bleeter | needless to say, the person asking this was a moron. Blade of Wizardry ain't sucky stats ;) |
| 00:52.02 | reqol | the proc received a hefty nerf though : ( |
| 00:53.21 | Corrodias | technically, the stats do suck, but the proc might make up for it |
| 00:54.58 | reqol | ugh. so I open up buydropper's xml file and it works just fine. there is no ui: in front of the attributes. |
| 00:55.19 | reqol | or rather, elements |
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| 01:00.01 | reqol | wow. in my schema declaration (which was automatically generated by xmlspy) there is a ui: at the very beginning. however when I remove this it says it is not valid. |
| 01:00.18 | Corrodias | fabulous; i can see a gold seller running to org, but i can't actually report it because it hasn't said anything yet |
| 01:01.40 | Iriel | I think that's the difference between including /a/ schema, and setting the /default/ schema |
| 01:02.04 | Iriel | (since an XML document can use multiple schemas concurrently) |
| 01:02.36 | reqol | yeah. I just need to keep looking for the setting |
| 01:02.58 | Iriel | Can you see what the options look like on the one that works, and compare? |
| 01:03.28 | Fisker- | lies Corrodias |
| 01:03.47 | Fisker- | on our server they keep spamming that the whole way |
| 01:07.05 | reqol | tools --> options seems to be identical between the two files |
| 01:07.10 | reqol | guessing those are the programs options |
| 01:07.31 | reqol | project properties seems to be inconsequential |
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| 01:14.34 | ircleuser | hello, noobe here , I have a few coding questions. anyone avail to help? |
| 01:14.53 | reqol | ircleuser: my knowledge is somewhat limited but I'll help with whatever I can |
| 01:16.22 | bleeter | ~asktoask |
| 01:16.22 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:16.37 | reqol | yeah, I was going to say you're pretty free to ask questions here |
| 01:17.55 | Thunder_Child | with the usual restriction on anything that violates the ToS |
| 01:18.31 | ircleuser | ok, well I have created an .xml file with the <myfnction.OnLoad> call. I then created a .lua with that function defined. What I am trying to do now is use an if statement to decide to print something to screen depending on the name of the event. Say "ADDONS_LOADED". I do an assignment of this:RegisterEvent. |
| 01:19.08 | ircleuser | and for somereason i can't get it to fall into the if statemnt |
| 01:19.48 | ircleuser | Not sure what variable is sent to this. I have read that there is a default variable called event that is set but I can't print that out or access it |
| 01:20.06 | reqol | http://wowi.pastey.net could you paste your code here? |
| 01:20.34 | ircleuser | ok. |
| 01:20.48 | laindir | ircleuser, I think you need to put that in an OnEvent rather than OnLoad |
| 01:21.08 | reqol | laindir: I was assuming because he registered the event that he already had one. |
| 01:21.14 | reqol | though I guess it's best not to assume |
| 01:21.30 | laindir | reqol, seemed to me like it was all in his onload function |
| 01:21.46 | laindir | which would explain his conditional not evaluating to true |
| 01:21.57 | ircleuser | ok, so only the this:Register lines go in the OnLoad handler call? |
| 01:22.03 | laindir | correct |
| 01:22.20 | reqol | and then you need another function to handle the event |
| 01:22.34 | ircleuser | ahhh yes the OnEvent handler |
| 01:22.51 | laindir | ...which means you will also need an OnEvent element in your xml |
| 01:23.07 | reqol | yes |
| 01:23.35 | ircleuser | now once I create this onEvent handler, can I access the event variable and or any arg1-9 that are within a particular event? |
| 01:23.47 | reqol | yes |
| 01:24.11 | ircleuser | sweet. ok give me a sec.. brb... |
| 01:25.22 | reqol | so does anyone have any xmlspy experience that could lend me a hand? still stumped on this schema ;_; using the search feature in the program did not help much |
| 01:27.49 | laindir | I'm not really familiar with that... I can tell you that what helped me the most was just looking through the xml for blizz's part of the UI |
| 01:28.39 | reqol | I'm just having trouble setting the default schema in the program |
| 01:28.52 | laindir | ahh... can't help you there I'm afraid :( |
| 01:28.59 | reqol | oh well :( |
| 01:29.37 | Corrodias | JIGGY |
| 01:36.03 | ircleuser | ok back guys that was great info, It work and I saw a couple of problems. First off using the ADDON_LOADED event it printed my message like 4 times. I nested another if statement on the condition of arg1 == "MYADDON_NAME" is the clean approach to letting the user know an addon was loaded on startup? |
| 01:38.03 | laindir | ircleuser, I'm pretty sure you could just do (event=="ADDON_LOADED" and arg1=="MYADDON_NAME") ...there might be a cleaner way to do it, but I'm just going off what you have |
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| 01:38.54 | Corrodias | you can unregister for the event after hitting it once |
| 01:39.02 | Corrodias | presumably, the first time you receive it, it's for your addon |
| 01:39.05 | Corrodias | as far as i know |
| 01:39.38 | laindir | I'm not sure that's the case... I think you'll receive it once for each addon, and it's hard to know the order |
| 01:40.57 | laindir | *each subsequent addon |
| 01:41.09 | ircleuser | yea. I should print out the ar1 and see which addons are being loaded just as a FYI, but I will put in the logical and to close the loop. What disturbes me is that I am doing a /console reloadui and I have many more than 4 addons, so why is it only triggering 4 times. Sounds strange |
| 01:41.47 | laindir | I'm guessing it's triggering for your addon and the ones that load after, not sure though |
| 01:41.52 | ircleuser | ahh I guess it only goes for subsequent ones... |
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| 01:45.45 | laindir | anywho, I'm off for a bit... later, all |
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| 02:19.08 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, what sig? |
| 02:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: it's on the WoW forums.. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707966744&sid=1&pageNo=4#72 |
| 02:22.04 | Thunder_Child | oh, that..i had no idea what you were talking about |
| 02:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you do! ;) |
| 02:22.13 | Thunder_Child | now i do |
| 02:22.41 | Thunder_Child | ~blame End |
| 02:22.41 | purl | ACTION blames End (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 02:55.57 | End | I didn't do it! |
| 02:58.06 | End | (yeah, I'm not afk at all and then coming back and seeing my name mentioned) |
| 02:59.21 | Thunder_Child | (ofc not) |
| 02:59.27 | Thunder_Child | and, yesm yes you did do it |
| 02:59.37 | Thunder_Child | s/yesm/yes,/ |
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| 03:03.32 | Thunder_Child | is there a diff between of "Improves spell critical strike rating by XX" and "+xx Spell Critical Strike Rating"? |
| 03:04.03 | End | I don't see how there would be any difference |
| 03:04.31 | End | is the second one off of random stat gear or something? |
| 03:04.38 | Thunder_Child | no, enchant |
| 03:04.59 | End | yeah, I don't think there is any difference |
| 03:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no functional difference |
| 03:05.37 | Thunder_Child | then there is an issue with the addon that gives %'s to the stats...cant remeber name.... |
| 03:06.02 | End | ratingbuster? |
| 03:06.05 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 03:06.06 | Thunder_Child | that |
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| 03:06.19 | End | personally, I've never used it |
| 03:06.38 | Thunder_Child | 2 items, one shoes +11 as .73% and the +1- as 1.09% |
| 03:06.41 | Thunder_Child | shows* |
| 03:06.48 | Thunder_Child | wow i cant type |
| 03:07.00 | Thunder_Child | 2 items, one shoes +11 as .73% and the +10 as 1.09%* |
| 03:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Pro |
| 03:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen worse |
| 03:07.24 | Thunder_Child | ya, by me |
| 03:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got another channel, bunch of people who know each other |
| 03:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | One guy, some time ago |
| 03:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Every time he tried to type 'coke' it came out 'cock' |
| 03:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And you would think it's intentional he did it so many times, but it wasn't |
| 03:08.17 | End | goddammit, forgot to take my felhunter out |
| 03:08.23 | End | apparently my imp can't dispel |
| 03:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 03:15.36 | End | this wsg is so bad :( my team wasn't trying to get our flag back, so when I was running to get it back, I ended up getting -their- flag instead |
| 03:15.54 | Industrial | Shirik: so, stepmania simfiles you name them. |
| 03:16.22 | Shirik | In all honesty I just pick DDR songs I'm familiar with |
| 03:16.30 | Shirik | A, AA, and AAA are always good |
| 03:16.34 | Industrial | eep |
| 03:16.36 | Industrial | well yes |
| 03:17.03 | Industrial | Ill need the actual simfiles tho from eg bemanistyle.com |
| 03:17.10 | Industrial | but they have 10 different kinds of A's |
| 03:17.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:17.19 | Industrial | remix, different steps and all that |
| 03:17.22 | Industrial | >_> |
| 03:17.30 | Industrial | they got like 30k songs |
| 03:19.04 | Industrial | 15 A 12 AA and 12 AAA |
| 03:20.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:20.36 | Shirik | Now get a AAA (score) on all of them |
| 03:20.37 | Shirik | gogo! |
| 03:21.09 | Industrial | hehe |
| 03:21.13 | Industrial | I only got one AAA once |
| 03:22.28 | Industrial | k downloaded them all :. |
| 03:23.57 | reqol | anyone here use xmlspy? |
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| 03:35.35 | Industrial | reqol: not really a smart question |
| 03:36.40 | reqol | why? because of the sheer amount of users? |
| 03:36.53 | reqol | or because of possible criticism |
| 03:37.03 | End | because your face, oh burn! |
| 03:37.10 | End | ok, I'll shut up now |
| 03:40.17 | Thunder_Child | you know, the armory should post up all of your charicters regardless of lvl just for you as well as giving just you the ability to see your bags/bank |
| 03:40.34 | Thunder_Child | since there is now a login |
| 03:41.53 | Iriel | I'm sure the login's there for purely server load reasons, and the rationale for limiting the characters as well as the information shown are ALSO load related. |
| 03:43.59 | Thunder_Child | well it wouldnt have such a load if it didnt have all of the shiny shiny |
| 03:49.47 | Industrial | reqol: because of the possibility someone wants to help with only that question |
| 03:50.05 | Industrial | probability, even |
| 03:50.27 | Industrial | explain the full problem |
| 03:51.35 | End | isn't login for guild bank and whatnot? |
| 03:51.46 | End | parts of the guild bank can be hidden |
| 03:51.50 | End | to certain ranks |
| 03:52.55 | End | apparently corruption is my favorite spell |
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| 04:01.04 | Thunder_Child | ah...mages are so OP....i love it |
| 04:01.39 | End | what class you play? |
| 04:02.03 | Thunder_Child | mage atm |
| 04:02.06 | End | ah |
| 04:02.17 | Thunder_Child | priest was my first |
| 04:02.20 | End | I suppose that explains the "i love it" |
| 04:02.25 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 04:07.49 | reqol | Industrial: okay, here is my problem: my xml file's schema is not valid unless there is a ui: at the beginning of the declaration. however, this makes all of the elements in xmlspy display the same prefix. in order to fix this, iriel suggested I find how to set the default schema to ui.xsd. however, I can't find the setting for that. I was wondering if anyone knew how I could do this |
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| 04:25.13 | Thunder_Child | wow, slow day |
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| 04:35.15 | Thunder_Child | nothing says drop rates suck like having 4 middle map fragments |
| 04:36.52 | reqol | this is the most aggravating thing that's happened to me all week |
| 04:37.26 | Thunder_Child | must have been an easygoing week then |
| 04:37.40 | reqol | yeah, but comparatively this is making me want to yank out my hair |
| 04:38.35 | reqol | and it all comes down to my stupidity. so much so that I'd rather not talk about it |
| 04:38.40 | reqol | so how is everyone else's day going? |
| 04:39.07 | Thunder_Child | it got better after the power came back on |
| 04:39.22 | End | hmm, bye-bye 1600g |
| 04:39.26 | reqol | why'd your power go out? storm? |
| 04:39.26 | End | hello belt of blasting! |
| 04:39.32 | reqol | ooohhh, grats End! |
| 04:39.35 | Thunder_Child | reqol, ya, really light one though |
| 04:39.35 | End | \o/ |
| 04:39.53 | End | of coursed I still got another 1000g I gotta spend on "minor" enchants |
| 04:39.59 | End | boar's speed is soo expensive :P |
| 04:40.13 | Thunder_Child | End, farm it instead? |
| 04:40.21 | End | actually, I did :P |
| 04:40.29 | End | well, as much as I can |
| 04:40.32 | End | but it's worth that much |
| 04:40.45 | End | and I can't really farm large prismatic shards very well :( |
| 04:41.22 | End | fortunately, I had about 18 shards in the bank from instances... |
| 04:41.38 | reqol | here's a tip end: buy any low price imbued netherweave items and DE them, they (almost) always DE into a large prismatic shard and end up being cheaper than those that are pasted on the AH. you can either use them or sell them |
| 04:41.51 | reqol | the other times they end up as void crystals |
| 04:41.52 | End | don't have a DEer :( |
| 04:41.57 | reqol | I have a guildie do it for me |
| 04:42.23 | End | I don't like bothering my guildies that much, but I suppose that's what they are there for :P |
| 04:44.49 | Codayus | If your looking for LPS, 36 netherweave and 12 arcane dust = 1 LPS, via arcanweave bracers. |
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| 04:45.06 | Codayus | May or may not be viable, depending on your server econ |
| 04:46.37 | End | on my server I think it would be |
| 04:47.13 | End | not sure if it'd be because cheap neatherweave/dust or expensive LPS :P |
| 05:03.39 | Codayus | I budget cloth at up to 15s each, dust at up to 1.4g each. Gives a cost of 2g22s per shard. |
| 05:03.46 | Codayus | Er, 22g2s per shard |
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| 05:08.56 | Thunder_Child | hmm..shards on my server have an average BO pf 21g50s |
| 05:09.28 | Codayus | Heh, not mine... |
| 05:19.44 | Shirik | yey |
| 05:19.47 | Shirik | I gots a quote on wowbash :D |
| 05:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this is bad... I changed my password (that I've been using since the eighth grade) and promptly forgot it four hours later |
| 05:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ... after changing all of my GPG keys over to it. :/ |
| 05:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Now, I set the same password on Thunderbird |
| 05:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And apparently I can access that |
| 05:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But! |
| 05:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ... not my GPG keys. :( |
| 05:22.15 | MentalPower | ouch |
| 05:22.26 | MentalPower | time to have a friend revoke your keys... |
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| 05:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | There's the password on this key.. and my CA key.. |
| 05:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But not my personal one :( |
| 05:24.59 | Thunder_Child | fail? |
| 05:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail. |
| 05:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha! |
| 05:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Got the password to my backup GPG key! |
| 05:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So no data will be lost, phew |
| 05:52.23 | reqol | do any of you ever have trouble taking flight paths? sometimes no matter how many times I click it will NOT take the taxi |
| 05:52.41 | reqol | reloading only fixes it sometimes, and then I usually end up getting the problem the next time I try to take a flight path |
| 05:58.29 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, still have to go with fail for forgeting a pw in 4 hours |
| 05:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | .... ha |
| 05:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | a hahaha |
| 06:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't change the password on my personal private key |
| 06:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And in my defense, it's my first actual passphrase... lots of small words forming a simple sentence with a thousand trivial variations |
| 06:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Think I'm going to have to reform that a bit |
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| 06:03.19 | Shirik | Anyone here ever had an APC UPS where the battery died? (Won't recharge) |
| 06:04.14 | Thunder_Child | woah..my UI is using 200mb |
| 06:04.20 | Shirik | awesome! |
| 06:04.29 | Shirik | shoulda aced it |
| 06:04.33 | Shirik | wow I never thought I'd say that |
| 06:04.47 | Thunder_Child | it is |
| 06:04.54 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: do a /script collectgarbage("collect") and see what happens |
| 06:04.58 | Shirik | (It may lock up for a few seconds) |
| 06:05.19 | Thunder_Child | 171mb |
| 06:05.21 | Hjalte | Thunder_Child: Clear out your damage meters etc |
| 06:05.26 | Shirik | wow so it's not even that much garbage |
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| 06:05.45 | Thunder_Child | lol, avg increasing rate, 5000kb |
| 06:05.47 | Shirik | So it's either a leak or you have way too many damn addons |
| 06:05.51 | Shirik | or something is storing something in a stupid way |
| 06:06.05 | Thunder_Child | whatever it is has to be raid only |
| 06:06.09 | Thunder_Child | err..party |
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| 06:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lol @ "shoulda aced it" "wow" |
| 06:11.12 | Iriel | Shirik: All UPS batteries only last about 5 years |
| 06:11.22 | Shirik | Well yeah I expected that |
| 06:11.27 | Shirik | this one's well outlasted that actually, I'm impressed |
| 06:11.31 | Iriel | Shirik: I have 2 6-7 year old APC UPS'es with dead batteries |
| 06:11.49 | Shirik | Question is this: It's now sitting down there chirping |
| 06:12.01 | Shirik | is there anything I can do (aside from replacing the battery or turning it off) to get it to stfu? |
| 06:12.13 | Shirik | Nothing's plugged into the battery side anyway, I don't care about the battery I'm just using it as a power strip |
| 06:12.15 | Iriel | I dunno, does yours have a 'shut the hell up' button? One of mine did |
| 06:12.22 | Shirik | I didn't see one >< |
| 06:12.26 | Shirik | I'm only aware of one button: power |
| 06:12.35 | Iriel | the powere switch went 3 ways, one direction off, the other 'shut up |
| 06:12.41 | Shirik | ah mine just goes in |
| 06:12.48 | Shirik | like a debounced pushbutton |
| 06:12.50 | Iriel | I suspect you're SOL then |
| 06:12.52 | Shirik | =( |
| 06:12.55 | Shirik | I guess I'll just deal with it |
| 06:12.58 | Shirik | it's really quiet |
| 06:12.59 | Iriel | buy a power strip? |
| 06:13.03 | Shirik | Too hard :P |
| 06:14.59 | Shirik | rofl, APC doesn't even have my model listed under battery replacement anymore |
| 06:15.01 | Shirik | that's how old it is |
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| 06:15.06 | Shirik | I'm really impressed it lasted this long :P |
| 06:16.00 | Thunder_Child | i just wish they werent that expensive |
| 06:16.14 | Shirik | I got mine pretty cheap actually |
| 06:16.22 | Shirik | In all honesty APC doesn't bring up the price that much |
| 06:16.24 | Shirik | stores like Best Buy do |
| 06:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I like mine |
| 06:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | LOADPCT : 44.0 Percent Load Capacity |
| 06:16.59 | Shirik | I got about a 50% discount on mine since we buy them at I think almost cost |
| 06:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's with two towers, three monitors, a headphone amp, and all of my networking stuff attached to it |
| 06:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (with WoW running) |
| 06:18.07 | End | we have a server at work that kills UPSes |
| 06:18.18 | End | when the power goes out... |
| 06:18.41 | End | these aren't cheap ones either :-/ |
| 06:18.43 | Shirik | I've managed to play for about 5 hours when power goes out :P |
| 06:18.45 | Shirik | Not anymore though |
| 06:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o |
| 06:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Five hours? |
| 06:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You on a low-power laptop or something? |
| 06:25.39 | Seerah_ | Cairenn: chatzilla says wowi is chat.freenode.net and wowace and mmoistaff is irc.freenode.net |
| 06:25.50 | Seerah_ | mt /sigh :) |
| 06:26.06 | Cairenn | wowi can be irc instead, doesn't have to be chat |
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| 06:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so, reading a friend's of mine code |
| 06:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I came across this comment: |
| 06:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.09 | End | o_O |
| 06:29.21 | End | you may want to stab your friend |
| 06:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, here's another fun comment |
| 06:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.55 | End | o_O |
| 06:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | His errors are... classy |
| 06:30.53 | Shirik | It's not really dangerous? |
| 06:30.59 | Shirik | "foo" === true |
| 06:31.01 | End | that's an odd way to put it |
| 06:31.01 | Shirik | --> false |
| 06:31.02 | batbot | Shirik: > false |
| 06:31.08 | Shirik | batbot shut up >< |
| 06:31.13 | End | --> waffles |
| 06:31.13 | batbot | End: > nil |
| 06:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | His code, if nothing else |
| 06:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Is a good read |
| 06:31.55 | End | just curious, just how many bots in here can do lua evaluations? :P |
| 06:32.03 | cogwheel | 3 that i know of |
| 06:32.14 | End | is that it? |
| 06:32.15 | End | hm |
| 06:32.18 | cogwheel | bat, cide, & lua (clad) |
| 06:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: he knows that it isn't really that dangerous, he just puts in random comments designed to entertain |
| 06:32.57 | Shirik | hehe |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | cogwheel: I'm a bot too |
| 06:33.09 | Shirik | I've proven that before, no? |
| 06:33.15 | cogwheel | yes |
| 06:33.21 | cogwheel | all the time... |
| 06:33.32 | Shirik | =D |
| 06:33.38 | cogwheel | u suk @ teh turing tset |
| 06:33.54 | End | reminds me of the xkcd turing test |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | No see here's the deal |
| 06:33.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:34.03 | Shirik | I watch over all three bots |
| 06:34.05 | End | where you try to prove the tester is an AI :P |
| 06:34.10 | Shirik | if any of them fail to provide an accurate or timely solution |
| 06:34.17 | End | http://xkcd.com/329/ |
| 06:34.18 | End | :P |
| 06:34.22 | Shirik | I take control and respond appropriately |
| 06:34.35 | Shirik | Unfortunately my processing speed can be quite slow especially when in sleep mode |
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| 06:44.14 | Thunder_Child | a wow based pun right up lunessas alley, "dont phase me dont phae me" |
| 06:59.02 | Shirik | So, advice |
| 06:59.19 | Shirik | $30 for long distance & local service that I'll rarely use. Typical pricing? |
| 06:59.20 | Iriel | Dont set fire to your socks while you're wearing them. |
| 06:59.22 | Iriel | Good enough? |
| 06:59.25 | Shirik | >< |
| 07:00.42 | Thunder_Child | "ont try to MT if your the priest" |
| 07:00.52 | Thunder_Child | damn ins |
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| 07:01.30 | cogwheel | Shirik: vonage imo... :P |
| 07:01.38 | Shirik | really? |
| 07:01.43 | Shirik | are they actually decent? |
| 07:01.50 | cogwheel | I'm quite satisfied |
| 07:02.07 | Shirik | In all honesty the #1 reason I want it is just for 911 and maybe some random calls when my cell phone is dead |
| 07:02.09 | cogwheel | been using them for a couple years now |
| 07:03.09 | Thunder_Child | should never be dead |
| 07:03.34 | cogwheel | never had to use 911 with it so i can't speak from experience, but I think the only thing is that the 911 operators can't automatically get your address |
| 07:04.48 | cogwheel | we pay < $20 for 500 mins/mo |
| 07:12.08 | End | all I got is a cell phone >_< |
| 07:13.20 | Shirik | I used 911 once |
| 07:13.22 | cogwheel | cell phones are great for 911. GPS 4tw |
| 07:13.23 | Shirik | it was an accident |
| 07:13.38 | cogwheel | I've used it a few too many times :S |
| 07:13.57 | End | was using 911 an accident, or was it to help with an accident? |
| 07:13.59 | cogwheel | house fire, car accident |
| 07:14.30 | cogwheel | accident wasn't mine though |
| 07:14.43 | End | I've only had to call 911 because my roommate dislocated his shoulder once |
| 07:14.56 | End | well, he dislocated it a lot, but only once when I was there :P |
| 07:15.10 | Shirik | sorry |
| 07:15.13 | Shirik | had to answer something real quick :P |
| 07:15.20 | Shirik | Anyway, 911 really was an accident |
| 07:15.36 | Shirik | the geniuses as best buy programmed our phones such that you have to dial 9 1 to get to an outside line |
| 07:15.51 | Shirik | so to dial a 1800 number you have to do 9 1 1 800 <whatever> |
| 07:15.57 | Shirik | One day I typed it too quickly |
| 07:15.58 | End | haha |
| 07:16.13 | End | htm |
| 07:16.14 | End | hrm |
| 07:16.18 | Shirik | Sad thing is the response I got was "Thank you for calling Fairfax County Emergency 911. All our operators are currently busy, please stand by" |
| 07:16.31 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 07:16.49 | End | isn't 9 is a common "get to the outside world" number for internal phone systems? |
| 07:16.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:17.13 | Shirik | and every damn wired phone used 9 to get to an outside line |
| 07:17.27 | Shirik | But the wireless ones, on the other hand, of which there are only two (one of which I typically used) |
| 07:17.32 | Shirik | For some reason was programmed to 9 1 |
| 07:18.08 | End | weird |
| 07:20.50 | reqol | when you have a frame that has a function call in it (in xml) this refers to the frame that calls the function, no? |
| 07:21.47 | cogwheel | it does, but you shouldn't use it |
| 07:21.49 | Shirik | Yes, but "this" is also evil |
| 07:21.50 | Iriel | Yes, though you should try and use 'self' instead |
| 07:21.54 | cogwheel | you should be using the local 'self' |
| 07:22.04 | cogwheel | that was unanimous |
| 07:22.14 | Shirik | hehe |
| 07:22.21 | reqol | why is this evil? |
| 07:22.32 | Shirik | because it's a global |
| 07:22.35 | reqol | oh. |
| 07:22.45 | reqol | okay, that answers my question aptly, thanks |
| 07:26.41 | cogwheel | ~seen cowgra |
| 07:26.42 | purl | cowgra <n=Cowgra@c-69-242-237-189.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 40d 9h 21m 10s ago, saying: 'i've been trying to figure out the same thing bleeter'. |
| 07:26.52 | cogwheel | :( |
| 07:29.53 | End | "-- This was a server-side only spell affecting the player somehow, don't do anything with cast sequencing, just bail." |
| 07:29.57 | End | o_O |
| 07:31.43 | cogwheel | loc? |
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| 07:32.53 | End | around line 736 in ChatFrame.lua on PTR |
| 07:34.23 | End | oi |
| 07:34.25 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.32 | End | and I thought that change was in! |
| 07:34.41 | End | but 2.3.2 isn't out yet :( |
| 07:35.09 | Thunder_Child | heh i went from 41 to 44 in 5 hours |
| 07:36.03 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 07:36.06 | End | ah, the comment I linked apparently was the strlower() one :P |
| 07:36.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, going home? |
| 07:36.26 | Shirik | actually already home |
| 07:36.30 | Shirik | I was just curious what it was outside |
| 07:36.37 | Shirik | since I have the heat turned up to about 85 inside |
| 07:37.14 | Thunder_Child | heh, we never put the heat over 70 |
| 07:37.57 | Thunder_Child | even though atm it's doing the dance of the sugarplum fairy outside |
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| 07:46.32 | Shirik | I never use the heater really |
| 07:46.47 | Shirik | just the fever is getting to me |
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| 08:02.05 | Thunder_Child | possible 2.3.2 tuesday |
| 08:02.30 | Thunder_Child | they are shuting down the ptr for 3 days on monday |
| 08:04.47 | Duman | sweet |
| 08:04.55 | Duman | poor Hortus |
| 08:05.01 | Duman | that forum is so chock full of shit |
| 08:05.06 | Duman | and morons |
| 08:05.24 | Duman | so hard to sift thru all the posts and find REAL problems |
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| 08:24.35 | Bibi | fake Thunder_Child ! |
| 08:24.52 | Thunder_Child | if i'm fake there isnt a real one |
| 08:25.04 | Bibi | I mean, 2.3.2 tuesday |
| 08:25.04 | Bibi | :( |
| 08:25.09 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 08:25.19 | Thunder_Child | how do you figure that then Bibi? |
| 08:25.47 | Bibi | how do you figure that it's not a fake ? :( |
| 08:26.13 | Thunder_Child | i said it's possible, not that it's for sure |
| 08:27.56 | Bibi | damn, I didn't sleep enough to be an ass, can't continue the conversation |
| 08:27.59 | Bibi | wanna hug instead ? |
| 08:28.00 | Fisker- | btw Bibi |
| 08:28.06 | Fisker- | what's an "autmun forest" |
| 08:28.07 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 08:28.13 | Thunder_Child | no i dont want a damn hug |
| 08:28.27 | Bibi | Fisker- : probably something you could edit to fix the typo |
| 08:28.28 | Bibi | hoho |
| 08:28.36 | Bibi | well, actually you can't. |
| 08:28.39 | Bibi | bah, I hate you |
| 08:28.54 | Fisker- | :(? |
| 08:29.03 | Fisker- | just saw it |
| 08:29.06 | Bibi | you can't edit news with HTML code in it |
| 08:29.14 | Bibi | you can't use [html] tags as a moderator |
| 08:29.15 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:29.34 | Bibi | it will just show as a full text html code, and make me very, very sad |
| 08:32.41 | Thunder_Child | see, thats what happens when you fail |
| 08:36.42 | Thunder_Child | Bibi = Brian? |
| 08:37.33 | Bibi | not really, but we can turn off the light and then you can call me any name you want |
| 08:37.52 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:37.55 | Fisker- | you never do that with me |
| 08:38.00 | Thunder_Child | ..you mean i cant call you whatever name i want with the light on? |
| 08:38.08 | Thunder_Child | thats just weird |
| 08:44.17 | Thunder_Child | fine, but it's gonna cost you |
| 08:45.27 | Fisker- | you charge me and i'll end you |
| 08:45.30 | Thunder_Child | i guess your not the only thing sliiiding |
| 08:45.53 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, you cant just turn me off after you turned me on |
| 08:45.56 | Thunder_Child | gah |
| 08:46.01 | Thunder_Child | cant belive i typed that |
| 08:46.05 | Fisker- | no, but i can kill you |
| 08:46.19 | Thunder_Child | you can try |
| 08:46.29 | Thunder_Child | but i doubt you can succeed |
| 08:46.49 | Fisker- | that's perhaps because i'm going to sleep |
| 08:46.59 | Taeri | I want to be turned on. I'm defenetly off right now, sotired. >__> |
| 08:47.01 | Thunder_Child | that usually happens after |
| 08:47.12 | Thunder_Child | i'll just take my money and run |
| 08:48.50 | Fisker- | bai |
| 08:49.12 | Thunder_Child | see ya Fisker- |
| 08:49.37 | Thunder_Child | Taeri, if your tired dont force it |
| 08:49.50 | Taeri | Thunder_Child: I'm hungry too |
| 08:49.52 | Taeri | and I can't eat. |
| 08:49.59 | Taeri | and I have problems sleeping when I'm hungry |
| 08:50.05 | Taeri | the world is conspiring against me. |
| 08:50.08 | Thunder_Child | i assure you, you can eat |
| 08:50.32 | Taeri | No, if I eat, my tummy will have me going to the bathroom every 5-10 minutes or so. :P |
| 08:50.40 | Taeri | so it'll end up in no sleep anyway |
| 08:50.41 | Thunder_Child | but you can still eat |
| 08:50.56 | Thunder_Child | your simply having to choose the lesser of two evils then |
| 08:51.29 | Thunder_Child | s/having// |
| 08:51.29 | Taeri | I've gotten a tummybug that makes all food just rush trough my systems. Which really isn't nice at all. |
| 08:51.36 | Thunder_Child | doh! |
| 08:51.40 | Taeri | waha!:D |
| 08:52.19 | Thunder_Child | i had something similar lately, if i have meat just before i sleep i get bad gasto-intestinal pains |
| 08:52.21 | Thunder_Child | no fun |
| 08:52.58 | Taeri | gasto-intestinal pains? I'm guessing that means you cramped and it feeled like you were swelling up with gas inside? :P |
| 08:53.36 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 08:53.48 | Taeri | okok, then what? |
| 08:53.49 | Thunder_Child | or at least, no as far a i know |
| 08:54.06 | Thunder_Child | eh..pain |
| 08:54.13 | Thunder_Child | dunno about swelling |
| 08:54.18 | Taeri | right, pain covers it XD |
| 08:54.34 | Taeri | you don't really swell, but it feels like it. :P |
| 08:54.59 | Taeri | I also got my period, so I'm also painy because of that. Life is good really, I promise XD |
| 08:55.38 | Thunder_Child | ya'aa'tey |
| 08:56.10 | Taeri | whaaat? |
| 08:56.29 | Thunder_Child | Navajo for "it is good" |
| 08:56.38 | Taeri | Aha |
| 08:56.59 | Taeri | All I really need is my boyfriend and his cuddles, and I'd be great. |
| 08:57.10 | Thunder_Child | right, still at home? |
| 08:57.15 | Taeri | Yeah |
| 08:57.22 | Taeri | my visitor left like... an hour ago. |
| 08:57.34 | Taeri | So I can go home tomorrow. |
| 08:57.37 | Taeri | even tho I want to go home today. |
| 08:57.52 | Taeri | but because of this tummybug, I don't really want to sit in the car for 7 hours. |
| 08:58.18 | Thunder_Child | are you driving> |
| 08:58.20 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 08:58.28 | Taeri | Indeedly I am. |
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| 08:58.47 | Thunder_Child | ok..i guess telling you to pass out on the way there is NOT a good idea |
| 08:58.58 | Taeri | Indeed it's not. :D |
| 08:59.37 | Taeri | Norway needs like... trains under the mountains, that go superfast, that people can put their cars on. |
| 08:59.41 | Taeri | Sort of like a train ferry. |
| 08:59.55 | Thunder_Child | then whats the point of a car? |
| 09:00.06 | Thunder_Child | it's like puting a plane in a blimp to go somewhere |
| 09:00.10 | Taeri | driving around where you're going be visit? |
| 09:00.27 | Taeri | Nono, see, there's this thing about going from the western to the eastern part of Norway in winter. |
| 09:00.29 | Taeri | it's a damned hassle |
| 09:00.35 | Taeri | like, storms, and closed roads. |
| 09:00.36 | Thunder_Child | it's called life |
| 09:00.51 | Taeri | at some point yesterday, you couldn't even go from like Oslo to Bergen. |
| 09:01.26 | Taeri | all the roads were closed, the normal train was stopped. |
| 09:01.41 | Taeri | plane was probably possible, but pricey. :P |
| 09:02.52 | Taeri | But ok, I think I'm gonna go drink a glass of water, and munch on a apple, just to fill the bottom of my stomach. |
| 09:02.59 | Thunder_Child | enjoy |
| 09:03.08 | Taeri | that way, I won't feel nauseous(?) because I'm hungry. :P |
| 09:03.17 | Thunder_Child | WTB IV feed |
| 09:03.27 | Taeri | indeed XD |
| 09:04.16 | laindir | http://xkcd.com/231/ |
| 09:05.47 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.50 | haste | d0h |
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| 09:21.31 | bleeter | I'm really wondering if any Blizz Forum admins are working this weekend... a thread in General about some presidential candidate being gay is out to 15 pages, and near the top of the first page of threads too |
| 09:22.26 | bleeter | tho, I guess, given the time of day over there... maybe they should employ some Random Q Aussie forum admin to properly cover US night-time ;) |
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| 09:34.06 | Tem | sigh |
| 09:34.14 | Tem | disconnects during arena are lame |
| 09:34.48 | Tem | oh great |
| 09:34.51 | Tem | World Server Down |
| 09:35.01 | Tem | are they doing restarts right now and I don't know about it? |
| 09:36.03 | Shirik | they would announce it iirc |
| 09:36.20 | Shirik | in the server they announce "This server is scheduled for a restart." Then the 15 minute countdown, etc. |
| 09:37.31 | Tem | I wasn't serious |
| 09:37.55 | Tem | I was being annoyed that I just lost an arena match because the server decided to shit itself |
| 09:38.11 | Tem | oh well |
| 09:38.15 | Tem | back to twilight princess |
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| 09:40.14 | Shirik | night folks |
| 09:40.30 | Shirik | Actually shutting down my computer for once so my UPS doesn't keep me up all night |
| 09:44.18 | bleeter | on a lighter note... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773251264&sid=1 |
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| 10:33.13 | bleeter | question about this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773251381&postId=37728926346&sid=1 |
| 10:33.43 | bleeter | I've posed it in my reply as an afterthought... would it be possible, given what apparently has happened here, that a bunch of folks got together, modifed an BG AFK mod to report anyone who's not from their own server? |
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| 11:39.44 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1199617050103.jpg |
| 11:39.48 | Corrodias | this must be seen |
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| 11:45.54 | Polarina | I found a solution for the chat bubble filtering. :) |
| 11:48.37 | cladhaire | goofd |
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| 11:48.58 | Corrodias | what's this about chat bubble filtering? |
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| 11:50.50 | Polarina | Corrodias: The ability to not show certain chat bubbles over peoples head when they say something. |
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| 12:05.57 | Polarina | Heh.. I found a way to know in-game how many bytes have been recieved / sent to and from the server. |
| 12:06.54 | sylvanaar | reading the performancefu code? doesnt it show taht |
| 12:07.17 | Polarina | No. |
| 12:07.25 | Polarina | I'm not reading anyones code. |
| 12:07.34 | sylvanaar | why not? |
| 12:08.03 | Polarina | Except for Polarina's code. |
| 12:09.39 | sylvanaar | i like reading other peoples code myself. no reason to start from 0 if you dont have to. |
| 12:10.42 | Polarina | My addons usually take very little amount of code and are pretty usefull too. |
| 12:12.08 | cladhaire | Polarina: yes, there's an API function that returns that |
| 12:12.19 | Polarina | cladhaire: There is? |
| 12:12.24 | cladhaire | nothing special! |
| 12:12.26 | cladhaire | ... yes |
| 12:12.29 | Corrodias | how else are you going to know? |
| 12:13.12 | cladhaire | GetNetStats() |
| 12:13.13 | cladhaire | always been there. |
| 12:13.46 | Polarina | Corrodias: Take the first two arguments of GetNetStats() and multiply them with the amount of seconds since login. |
| 12:13.58 | cladhaire | ... |
| 12:14.06 | cladhaire | that is NOT how to figure out how many bytes have been received/sent |
| 12:14.12 | cladhaire | that number would be COMPLETELY off. |
| 12:14.16 | Polarina | ... |
| 12:14.30 | Corrodias | first two results are... |
| 12:14.49 | cladhaire | Polarina: those are instantaneous values |
| 12:14.50 | Polarina | The bandwidth measurements are the avarage bandwidth usage for the session. |
| 12:14.51 | Corrodias | down, up, and lag. not very useful descriptions. |
| 12:14.52 | cladhaire | no they aren't. |
| 12:15.05 | cladhaire | they are the current usage |
| 12:15.10 | cladhaire | at the given moment. |
| 12:15.29 | Polarina | ok.. |
| 12:16.18 | cladhaire | if you track it every single second, you can get a reasonable approximation |
| 12:16.28 | sylvanaar | they would be useful to show on a graph though |
| 12:16.51 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 12:17.40 | sylvanaar | maybe i'll do that - im really bored today, and feel like writing something. |
| 12:18.15 | sylvanaar | though - im not interested in that information really - maybe something more generic |
| 12:18.34 | Corrodias | we've had the opportunity to retrieve our corpses inside instances when the server was lagging for a while. that's pretty interesting. it doesn't actually work properly; eventually the server caught on and teleported us to the spirit healer |
| 12:18.40 | Corrodias | caught on? caught up |
| 12:18.46 | Corrodias | it was like some super lag going on |
| 12:19.10 | Polarina | I'm off working on my addon. |
| 12:22.27 | sylvanaar | i guess i should look around - is there a graphing addon where you can supply you own sampling function and interval? |
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| 12:25.36 | Corrodias | not that i'm aware |
| 12:28.44 | sylvanaar | i guess recount is what i'll have to start from |
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| 12:40.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Where's cog when you want to congratulate him :( |
| 12:43.24 | cladhaire | sleeping? |
| 12:43.47 | zenzelezz | how inconsiderate |
| 12:44.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, he mentioned a storm on the thread, he may be without power |
| 12:44.47 | cladhaire | nah he got it back |
| 12:44.50 | cladhaire | after 36 hours without |
| 12:44.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, er, that was a few days ago :P |
| 12:44.55 | Kirkburn|afk | ouch |
| 12:44.57 | cladhaire | not that i'm a stalker or anything |
| 12:45.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Of course not |
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| 12:46.33 | cladhaire | speaking of that, will you be at school this summer at all? |
| 12:46.47 | cladhaire | i.e. end of june beginning of july? |
| 12:47.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Since I finished Uni in June, likely not :P However, I will probably still be in Bristol |
| 12:47.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, and I'm off to Chicago tomorrow for three weeks :D |
| 12:47.52 | cladhaire | hahah nice |
| 12:48.20 | cladhaire | maybe we'll come between Hilary and Trinity terms |
| 12:48.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Easter? |
| 12:48.59 | Polarina | Eggs! |
| 12:49.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay for the weird terminology of Oxbridge :P |
| 12:49.38 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: Hilary ends like a week before easter (two actually) and Trinity begins April 20th |
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| 12:49.49 | cladhaire | doh |
| 12:49.53 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 12:50.01 | cladhaire | ~wiki hilary term |
| 12:50.12 | cladhaire | The term originated in the legal system. The Courts of England and Wales divide the legal year into four terms: Hilary, Easter, Trinity and Michaelmas. |
| 12:50.58 | Kirkburn|afk | My country has so much weirdness :P |
| 12:51.06 | cladhaire | indeed :P |
| 12:51.10 | cladhaire | i don't even know what the feast of St. Hilary is |
| 12:51.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Me neither, but obviously it's very important |
| 12:51.31 | cladhaire | ~wiki Hilary of Poitiers |
| 12:52.07 | cladhaire | this folks, is why wikipedia is the devil |
| 12:52.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Someone needs to recode that to ignore infoboxes >< |
| 12:52.24 | cladhaire | i could waste two hours just following links |
| 12:52.32 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 12:53.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Gotta go, be back later (and, yay, online in Chicago - WoW-playing girlfriends ftw) |
| 12:53.16 | cladhaire | : |
| 12:53.19 | cladhaire | P |
| 12:59.01 | Bibi_Laptop | girlfriends are useless |
| 12:59.11 | Bibi_Laptop | too much money wasted, money you could have used to buy golds ! |
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| 13:45.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Bibi_Laptop, I'll tell her you said that :O |
| 13:45.55 | Bibi | sure, why not |
| 13:46.28 | Bibi | it will probably a great start for your day when you tell her she's useless. |
| 13:47.02 | cladhaire | Polarina: why go through the trouble and time of SHA hashing every single incoming message, rather than matching known patterns, and using heuristics? |
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| 13:48.00 | Polarina | cladhaire: I'm not going to distribute their advertisements in plain text! No way! |
| 13:48.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Bibi, I'm going more for the "retribution against Bibi" angle. And hey, she can farm for me :P |
| 13:48.44 | cladhaire | Polarina: so.. rot13 them |
| 13:48.50 | cladhaire | or something that isn't expensive |
| 13:48.51 | Polarina | cladhaire: Nah. |
| 13:48.54 | Bibi | that's my point Kirkburn|afk |
| 13:49.02 | cladhaire | if people are getting the messages, and need to use your addon, the messages aren't exactly secret. |
| 13:49.04 | Bibi | you use your WoW Girlfriend to farm for you |
| 13:49.09 | Bibi | when you could just buy gold on the web. |
| 13:49.23 | Polarina | cladhaire: 1024 Sha checksums per second on a 3 year old machine is fine for me. :) |
| 13:49.36 | cladhaire | its also unnecessary |
| 13:49.38 | Bibi | of course, it wouldn't be legal to buy gold on the interweb, but it's perfectly fine if you make her farm for 30 hours in a row |
| 13:49.45 | cladhaire | and I can do 0 Sha checksums per second without cost! |
| 13:49.49 | cladhaire | i win! |
| 13:50.54 | Polarina | cladhaire: Broken I.W.I.N Button |
| 13:51.07 | cladhaire | just seems like a relatively ineffective way to catch spam, without using heuristics.. that happens to be costly. *shrug* |
| 13:51.11 | cladhaire | thanks, was just curious |
| 13:51.21 | Polarina | cladhaire: No problem. :) |
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| 14:25.10 | sioraiocht | how the hell did curse gaming grab the curse.com domain, anyway? |
| 14:25.32 | cladhaire | they paid money for it |
| 14:25.35 | cladhaire | relatively simple :P |
| 14:25.52 | sioraiocht | yeah |
| 14:25.52 | sioraiocht | but |
| 14:25.54 | sioraiocht | a lot? |
| 14:26.16 | cladhaire | dunno, you'd have to ask them |
| 14:26.19 | Beladona | would have to ask them |
| 14:26.48 | sioraiocht | hehe |
| 14:32.45 | sioraiocht | okay |
| 14:32.48 | sioraiocht | are there any good totem managers out there? |
| 14:34.33 | sioraiocht | wow |
| 14:34.36 | sioraiocht | total silence |
| 14:34.38 | Beladona | I use Totemus |
| 14:34.50 | sioraiocht | where's it kept? |
| 14:35.11 | Beladona | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6703-Totemus.html |
| 14:35.28 | Beladona | you can detach the buttons from the circle btw |
| 14:35.32 | Beladona | thats what I do |
| 14:36.48 | sioraiocht | oh |
| 14:36.51 | sioraiocht | thanks! |
| 14:38.10 | sioraiocht | clad insists i should write one |
| 14:38.23 | sioraiocht | of course, i have to learn how to do addon programming, first |
| 14:38.28 | cladhaire | i didn't insist |
| 14:38.33 | cladhaire | also, you waited 2 minutes for a response |
| 14:38.39 | cladhaire | this isn't #haskell, some of us have lives :P |
| 14:38.48 | Shirik | We're supposed to have lives? |
| 14:38.49 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:38.59 | cladhaire | Shirik: no, but there's potential :P |
| 14:40.16 | sioraiocht | don't mock #haskell |
| 14:40.31 | cladhaire | i'm not |
| 14:40.33 | sioraiocht | people are super helpful there |
| 14:40.36 | cladhaire | i'm sure they are |
| 14:40.43 | cladhaire | but as Iriel said yesterday |
| 14:41.03 | cladhaire | you can't expect a 2 minute response in IRC |
| 14:41.18 | Beladona | its not that we have lives that prevented us from responding sooner |
| 14:41.27 | Beladona | its that we were busy not having lives somewhere else |
| 14:41.28 | sioraiocht | I'm sorry, all your sentences just seem to say, "blah blah blah I'm a dirty tramp" |
| 14:43.20 | Beladona | so any graphically inclined individuals want to help me come up with a better header for wdnaddons.com? |
| 14:44.00 | cladhaire | nope |
| 14:44.08 | cladhaire | well, i'm not graphically inclined |
| 14:44.09 | cladhaire | so you weren't asking me |
| 14:44.14 | Beladona | hehe |
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| 15:00.29 | sioraiocht | zomg shoot me in the face |
| 15:04.24 | sioraiocht | in the face? |
| 15:04.42 | sioraiocht | it has to be in the face |
| 15:05.25 | Cairenn|afk | of course it's in the face, would I ever disappoint you luv? |
| 15:09.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Beladona, add kittens |
| 15:09.56 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Kirkburn4.png <-- like so |
| 15:10.10 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:11.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Or a cow - http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:MiniCow.png |
| 15:13.27 | Cairenn|afk | later all, I'm out for the day, see you guys this evening |
| 15:19.05 | Polarina | I think I'm going to opt out including the chat bubble filtering. ... |
| 15:20.36 | Polarina | Industrial: Is that fine for you? :) |
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| 15:33.31 | JoshBork1 | morning |
| 15:35.50 | Polarina | Evening. |
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| 16:41.03 | Shirik | hokay |
| 16:41.06 | MentalPower | anyone here speak mod_rewrite? |
| 16:41.08 | Shirik | I'm looking at a hunter here |
| 16:41.21 | Shirik | With a pvp axe.... and I'm looking at the enchant on it |
| 16:41.25 | Shirik | and it says "Fiery Weapon" |
| 16:41.37 | Shirik | And I just stared at it for about 30 seconds because I don't even know what to say or do |
| 16:42.01 | Shirik | MentalPower: I'm sure dolby-wowi does, he seems to use it for wowi basing off the URLS |
| 16:42.13 | zenzelezz | melee hunter! |
| 16:42.19 | Shirik | I used to know it but I think I've since forgotten all that stuffs |
| 16:42.53 | MentalPower | I am > < close to finishing this rewrite foo |
| 16:44.25 | Shirik | I wouldn't know how close that is really |
| 16:44.39 | Shirik | lua> ">" .. string.rep(" ", 50) .. "<" |
| 16:44.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: > < |
| 16:44.47 | Shirik | that looks exactly the same to me :P |
| 16:44.47 | Shirik | stupid client |
| 16:44.55 | MentalPower | basically I have a trailing slash issue |
| 16:44.59 | Shirik | it removes duplicate spaces >< |
| 16:45.03 | MentalPower | mine was one space |
| 16:45.03 | Shirik | maybe I can help |
| 16:45.21 | MentalPower | so, I have this svn server setup thru apache |
| 16:45.46 | MentalPower | the svn part lives in /svn and that folder always requires a login |
| 16:46.14 | MentalPower | I have an /index.php file in / that does not require login |
| 16:47.02 | MentalPower | and I want everything thats not index.php to be *internally* rewritten as /svn/foo so that svn can process it |
| 16:47.21 | Shirik | so like /foo becomes /svn/foo |
| 16:47.27 | MentalPower | aka person requests /foo and internally they're given /svn/foo |
| 16:47.29 | MentalPower | right |
| 16:47.30 | Shirik | got it |
| 16:47.37 | MentalPower | but the server never gets the /svn part |
| 16:47.46 | MentalPower | err...browser |
| 16:47.55 | Shirik | so it's just going into an infinite rewrite? |
| 16:47.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:48.10 | MentalPower | no no, sorry |
| 16:48.13 | Shirik | yeah big difference between server and browser :P Yeah I know how mod_rewrite works |
| 16:48.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | so what's it doing wrong? |
| 16:49.30 | MentalPower | well, when the browser requests /foo they're redirected to /svn/foo/ (visibly), but when they request /foo/ they're transparently redirected to /svn/foo/ (like I want) |
| 16:49.34 | JoshBork1 | there's a way to rewrite it internally |
| 16:49.42 | MentalPower | yesm I know [PT] |
| 16:50.16 | Shirik | okay so what's your config look like? |
| 16:50.41 | MentalPower | http://pastey.net/80166-79gw |
| 16:50.53 | MentalPower | (the relevant sections) |
| 16:51.25 | MentalPower | but it seems the REQUEST_FILENAME RewriteCond never gets run |
| 16:51.48 | MentalPower | or for that matter, the following RewriteRule if I comment out the RewriteCond |
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| 16:52.17 | Shirik | this looks odd: RewriteRule ^(.+[^/])$ $1/ [PT,L] |
| 16:52.28 | Shirik | I don't know why but it just stands out at me |
| 16:52.32 | MentalPower | that supposed to add the trailing slash |
| 16:55.02 | MentalPower | liek I said, if I request /foo/ it works perfectly |
| 16:55.24 | MentalPower | but if I type /foo it redirects the browser to /svn/foo/ (externally) |
| 16:55.45 | MentalPower | which breaks the svn clients trying to connect |
| 16:56.29 | Shirik | uh just real quick |
| 16:56.32 | Shirik | [PT,L] |
| 16:56.36 | Shirik | I'm trying to work this through my brain |
| 16:56.40 | Shirik | pass through and last? |
| 16:56.42 | Beladona | sorry I missed a lot of what you types, but I do know a bit about mod-rewrite |
| 16:56.44 | MentalPower | right |
| 16:56.48 | Beladona | since wdn uses it heavily |
| 16:56.55 | MentalPower | feel free to chime in Beladona |
| 16:57.12 | Shirik | I guess my brain is just not working right now |
| 16:57.17 | Shirik | what exactly is that supposed to mean? |
| 16:57.23 | Shirik | How can it pass through AND be last? |
| 16:57.40 | MentalPower | Last just means that the rewrite engine halts there |
| 16:57.50 | Shirik | right |
| 16:58.01 | Shirik | and pass through? |
| 16:58.05 | Beladona | let me see if I have this right |
| 16:58.24 | MentalPower | passthru means that it just internally rewrite it for the next module, in this case mod_dav_svn |
| 16:58.26 | Beladona | if someone requests <webaddress>/index.php you want it to give them index.php |
| 16:58.33 | MentalPower | aye |
| 16:58.39 | Shirik | MentalPower: Oh to the next module |
| 16:58.43 | Shirik | I thought it was to the next line >< |
| 16:59.07 | Beladona | but anything else should be rewritten from <website>/<requested_uri> to <website>/svn/<requested_uri> |
| 16:59.15 | Beladona | right? |
| 16:59.17 | MentalPower | internally yes |
| 16:59.38 | Beladona | mod_rewrite would be internal anyway |
| 16:59.39 | MentalPower | meaning the browser still sees it as <webaddress>/<requested_uri> |
| 16:59.46 | Beladona | they see what they types |
| 16:59.48 | Beladona | typed* |
| 16:59.56 | Beladona | your server gives them what you rewrote |
| 17:00.12 | Beladona | ok first, you need to do it via precedence |
| 17:00.12 | Shirik | man I really wish I had regex buddy on this computer right now |
| 17:00.24 | Beladona | so your very first rewrite rule should be the one for index.php |
| 17:00.40 | MentalPower | it is |
| 17:00.42 | MentalPower | http://pastey.net/80166-79gw |
| 17:00.48 | MentalPower | thats the current code |
| 17:02.15 | Beladona | one potential problem though |
| 17:02.35 | Beladona | does your index.php reference any other files, like images, stylesheets, etc? |
| 17:03.12 | Shirik | wait MentalPower |
| 17:03.16 | Shirik | this line |
| 17:03.30 | Shirik | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -d |
| 17:03.53 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 17:03.55 | MentalPower | Beladona: only thru full paths located on other virualservers |
| 17:04.00 | Shirik | sorry my brain really is dying |
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| 17:04.15 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d |
| 17:04.15 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f |
| 17:04.15 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^(.*) index.php |
| 17:05.25 | Beladona | hmm |
| 17:05.32 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^/index.php/(.*) /index.php?header=$1 [L] |
| 17:05.35 | Beladona | that line confuses me |
| 17:05.49 | Beladona | are you actually using links like website/index.php/somethingelse |
| 17:06.32 | MentalPower | kinda, look at the ErrorDocument parts |
| 17:06.44 | Beladona | ok |
| 17:06.53 | Beladona | are you ever going to need arguments for index.php? |
| 17:07.20 | Beladona | besides the error documents |
| 17:08.01 | Beladona | nm, the first line with the REQUEST_FILENAME will take care of it if you do |
| 17:08.08 | Beladona | as long as you link directly to index.php |
| 17:08.21 | Beladona | this current rewrite won't allow website.com?query though |
| 17:08.30 | Beladona | which I guess doesn't matter |
| 17:09.29 | MentalPower | that doesn't matter |
| 17:09.32 | MentalPower | I just need the errordocs |
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| 17:10.47 | MentalPower | Beladona: compare http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc with http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc/ |
| 17:10.55 | MentalPower | that should illustrate my issue |
| 17:11.18 | Beladona | but thats doing what you want isn't it |
| 17:11.19 | MentalPower | the first fails, the seconds succeeds |
| 17:11.36 | MentalPower | the second is doing what I want |
| 17:11.39 | MentalPower | the first is not |
| 17:11.45 | Beladona | I get the same thing on both |
| 17:11.53 | MentalPower | the first, the browser gets /svn/jmc/ |
| 17:12.00 | Beladona | oh |
| 17:12.03 | MentalPower | the second the browser stays on /jmc/ |
| 17:12.08 | Beladona | oh thats easy |
| 17:13.47 | Beladona | http://pastey.net/80167 |
| 17:13.48 | Beladona | try that |
| 17:13.59 | Beladona | all i id was add a ? after your / on line 5 |
| 17:14.27 | Beladona | 0 or 1 of / |
| 17:14.47 | Shirik | now why would that matter? |
| 17:15.11 | Shirik | (honestly curious because I've been staring at this forever) |
| 17:15.26 | Fin | I tell you how I achieve the same effect, normally |
| 17:15.43 | Beladona | well I could think of ways to rewrite that entire thing to make it simpler |
| 17:15.51 | Beladona | but I gave him the simplest way to fix what he already had |
| 17:15.55 | Beladona | hence the ? |
| 17:16.22 | Fin | I put a <Files> directive in with ForceType application/x-httpd-php |
| 17:16.31 | MentalPower | ok, that doesn't work |
| 17:17.08 | Fin | then the then you can name your file jmc |
| 17:17.17 | Fin | er, script, jmc, rather |
| 17:17.32 | Fin | I think it's the same effect though |
| 17:17.38 | Beladona | http://pastey.net/80168 |
| 17:17.41 | Beladona | try that |
| 17:20.03 | Fin | you might want to add a QSA flag btw |
| 17:20.06 | Polarina | Anyone has some RelegationW files for me? |
| 17:20.41 | Beladona | I already asked about that Fin |
| 17:20.46 | Fin | oh, righto |
| 17:20.53 | Beladona | he said he didn't need to append the query |
| 17:21.03 | Fin | fair enough |
| 17:21.14 | Beladona | doh |
| 17:21.17 | Beladona | we keeled him |
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| 17:21.35 | Fin | I want to know how much MentalPower's is getting paid for this |
| 17:21.41 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:22.47 | Beladona | did it work MentalPower? |
| 17:23.10 | Shirik | I just installed my regex debugger if it didn't so I can double-check it's not the patterns that are missing |
| 17:23.11 | MentalPower | nothing at all |
| 17:23.20 | Beladona | the last one I gave you didn't? |
| 17:23.21 | MentalPower | anyways, no cigar |
| 17:23.38 | MentalPower | nop |
| 17:23.41 | MentalPower | correct |
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| 17:24.23 | MentalPower | Shirik: what regex debugger do you use? |
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| 17:24.46 | Shirik | it's called regexbuddy |
| 17:25.06 | Shirik | it's pretty awesome. And for really complex cases you can literally step through it character by character as it moves forward and backward |
| 17:25.20 | Shirik | or for the simple cases it will just give you an english definition if that's all you need |
| 17:25.34 | Shirik | or you can just type in a string, see what matches and what it replaces it with, etc. |
| 17:25.39 | Beladona | check out that last link I did then. That should have worked |
| 17:25.55 | Fin | I've heard good things about that |
| 17:26.19 | Beladona | it basically does website.com/(anything) or website.com/(anything)/ to redirect |
| 17:26.20 | Shirik | But yeah, I know for a fact that your first one you posted works MentalPower :/ |
| 17:26.21 | Fin | hey out of interest, does it support Lua style regexes? |
| 17:26.25 | MentalPower | Beladona: the one where you added the ? after the trailing slash? |
| 17:26.26 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if Beladona's worked too |
| 17:26.35 | Beladona | http://pastey.net/80168 |
| 17:26.41 | Shirik | But the fact of the matter is... are you sure it's not something you haven't posted us? |
| 17:26.43 | MentalPower | right |
| 17:26.45 | MentalPower | that one |
| 17:26.45 | Shirik | Is there anything else in that file? |
| 17:26.46 | Beladona | you may not have gotten that one |
| 17:27.03 | Beladona | honestly you shouldn't have to do this in the first place |
| 17:27.11 | Beladona | Fin is right about the <Files> directive |
| 17:27.25 | Beladona | it should not need to take a trailing slash into account |
| 17:27.29 | Shirik | and yeah, Beladona that works just as well |
| 17:27.43 | MentalPower | I tried a <Files> it didn't work |
| 17:28.04 | Fin | well uh |
| 17:28.08 | Fin | that's how I do it, sometimes |
| 17:28.26 | Fin | actually I use the rewrite stuff elsewhere, but I prefer <Files> |
| 17:28.54 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.59 | MentalPower | thats the full file |
| 17:29.12 | MentalPower | sans two unrelated virtualhosts |
| 17:29.50 | Fin | Beladona: I would do it slightly differently to your suggestion, off the top of my head |
| 17:30.00 | Beladona | well yeah |
| 17:30.08 | Beladona | there is a lot that could be changed |
| 17:30.17 | Beladona | like I said, I was shooting for a simple modification |
| 17:30.20 | Fin | I'd put two rewriterules, the first with a {NE], the second to match without a slash |
| 17:30.24 | Beladona | but if it needs to be rewritten, so be it |
| 17:30.34 | Fin | or would I? hmm |
| 17:30.42 | MentalPower | well, I'm a noob with rewrites |
| 17:30.46 | Beladona | there is no need to have two rewriterules |
| 17:30.49 | MentalPower | I just started pounding at it |
| 17:30.50 | Beladona | for that one rewrite |
| 17:30.59 | Fin | wait, just the first then |
| 17:31.42 | Fin | well, you have it matching on ^/svn.* to rewrite to /svn/$1, no? |
| 17:32.34 | Beladona | yeah i was gonna dump the RewriteCond and move it to a plain RewriteRule |
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| 17:35.09 | Fin | hmm |
| 17:35.31 | Fin | WoW can read mp3s off the disk and play them, right? |
| 17:35.36 | MentalPower | yes |
| 17:35.45 | Fin | it doesn't cache them in memory, does it? |
| 17:35.48 | MentalPower | only if they are inside the WoW path |
| 17:35.50 | MentalPower | no |
| 17:36.01 | MentalPower | it doesn't cache graphics either |
| 17:36.03 | Fin | so huh, that would be a limited way of getting information out of the game |
| 17:36.10 | Fin | by file access times |
| 17:36.11 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 17:36.27 | MentalPower | you'd have to be so precise it would be insane |
| 17:36.39 | cladhaire | we can already get information out of the game in easier ways |
| 17:36.40 | Fin | not if the information didn't need to be complex |
| 17:36.42 | cladhaire | but none of them are practical |
| 17:36.45 | Fin | yeah, I know |
| 17:36.50 | Fin | I just had a thought and was sharing it |
| 17:37.09 | MentalPower | anyways, any suggestions on my issue? |
| 17:37.25 | Shirik | MentalPower, did you post the entire file? |
| 17:37.28 | Fin | oh, yeah MentalPower, sorry for actually talking about WoW :P |
| 17:37.29 | MentalPower | yup |
| 17:37.33 | Beladona | Shirik: can you pass this through your debugger? |
| 17:37.33 | Shirik | oh I missed it |
| 17:37.36 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^/(svn/)?(.*)/?$ svn/$2 |
| 17:37.36 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:37.39 | Fin | heh |
| 17:37.40 | MentalPower | ~lart Fin |
| 17:37.41 | purl | blasts Fin with a huge firehose then strangles Fin with it |
| 17:38.07 | Shirik | what's it supposed to match, /foo? |
| 17:38.09 | Fin | RewriteRule ^/(svn/?)(.*)/?$ svn/$2 ## no? |
| 17:38.12 | Shirik | (without the ?) |
| 17:38.38 | Fin | or you want to match on /something to go to /svn/something |
| 17:38.45 | Beladona | it should just rewrite anything not matched already and rewrite it to website.com/svn/whatever |
| 17:39.25 | Beladona | hmm |
| 17:39.26 | Fin | you would have to add a [NE] then I think, otherwise it would match itself (maybe) |
| 17:39.42 | Fin | not sure about that |
| 17:39.53 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:39.58 | Shirik | they're missing a leading / though, is that intentional? |
| 17:40.00 | Beladona | no you are right |
| 17:40.12 | Beladona | missing where? |
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| 17:40.21 | Shirik | both /foo and /svn/foo become svn/foo |
| 17:40.31 | Beladona | right |
| 17:40.53 | Beladona | web server will appent that to the current Base URI |
| 17:40.57 | Shirik | Though it is whining about your regex :P |
| 17:40.57 | Beladona | append |
| 17:41.29 | Shirik | It works, but it has "Warning: Backreference 1 is never used" |
| 17:41.35 | Beladona | !yeah |
| 17:41.40 | Beladona | no biggy |
| 17:41.48 | Tierrie_ | remove the backreference then |
| 17:42.04 | Tierrie | it should be a pair of () |
| 17:42.07 | Shirik | It suggests ^/(?:svn/)?(.*)/?$ |
| 17:42.09 | Shirik | But no big deal |
| 17:42.13 | Fin | if it's a perl regex, you can do (?:) |
| 17:42.17 | Fin | yeah |
| 17:42.20 | Tierrie | it is a slight performance gain |
| 17:42.23 | MentalPower | its PCRE |
| 17:43.20 | Fin | or hey, you could do (and not sure about the greediness here, but:) ^/((?<svn/).*) $1 |
| 17:43.37 | Fin | maybe |
| 17:43.47 | Beladona | I think instead of () you use [] |
| 17:43.54 | Beladona | group isntead of backreference |
| 17:44.18 | Fin | que |
| 17:44.20 | Shirik | Uh |
| 17:44.25 | Shirik | It REALLY didn't like that one Fin |
| 17:44.41 | Fin | heheh |
| 17:45.07 | Shirik | Error: Erroneous characters (possibly incomplete regex token or unescaped metacharacters) |
| 17:45.12 | Shirik | twice actually |
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| 17:46.14 | Shirik | But yeah anyway I love this program because it helps you find a lot of stupid mistakes, like this one: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8a930132a4ad22a3aeed9ad834757f00.jpg |
| 17:46.30 | Shirik | (This is the english readout I was talking about) it mentions that you will only get the last capture |
| 17:47.06 | Shirik | For more complex situations you can always watch it match character by character: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a47ee295af4993a9aaae81f4e7c5eb58.jpg |
| 17:47.37 | Fin | you need +? then |
| 17:47.39 | Fin | yeah |
| 17:47.42 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^svn/(.*)$ |
| 17:47.43 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^(.*)/?$ svn/$1 |
| 17:47.46 | Beladona | how about that |
| 17:48.11 | Beladona | actually |
| 17:48.19 | Beladona | yes replace * with + in that second line |
| 17:48.28 | Fin | Beladona: you don't really need the (.*)$ |
| 17:48.38 | Fin | just !^svn/? would be enough |
| 17:48.48 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^svn |
| 17:48.48 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^(.+)/?$ svn/$1 |
| 17:49.13 | Beladona | shouldn't even need the conditional slash |
| 17:49.20 | End | don't you want a beginning / in there? |
| 17:49.22 | Beladona | on the cond |
| 17:49.37 | MentalPower | do I need the REQUEST_FILENAME lines? |
| 17:49.53 | Beladona | it MIGHT work without, but it will ALWAYS work with |
| 17:50.02 | Beladona | so I would keep them |
| 17:50.47 | MentalPower | still no cigar |
| 17:50.50 | Beladona | basically it says "if you aren't asking for a file or directory that exists, then redirect to index.php |
| 17:51.31 | MentalPower | but is that necessarily true with svn? |
| 17:51.32 | Beladona | show me a link |
| 17:52.01 | Beladona | svn no, but the php files that are being accessed to view your svn yes |
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| 17:52.09 | MentalPower | http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc versus http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc/ |
| 17:52.24 | Beladona | what I don't understand |
| 17:52.33 | Beladona | is that the first one does a hard redirect |
| 17:52.36 | Beladona | they ARE both working |
| 17:52.38 | MentalPower | correct |
| 17:52.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Distinct lack of kittens, Bela |
| 17:52.43 | Beladona | but the first one shouldn't be doing a hard redirect |
| 17:52.58 | Fin | Bad Request? |
| 17:53.02 | Fin | doesn't seem like they're working to me! |
| 17:53.04 | Beladona | are you sending a location header somewhere? |
| 17:53.06 | MentalPower | I know they both work, but I can't figure out the hard redirect either |
| 17:53.14 | MentalPower | Fin: check the address bar |
| 17:53.23 | Fin | oh, I see, pardon me |
| 17:53.27 | Fin | no, wait |
| 17:53.29 | MentalPower | the first goes to /svn/jmc/ the second stays at /jmc/ |
| 17:53.40 | Fin | they both say the URL I entered, for me |
| 17:53.44 | Shirik | Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. |
| 17:53.45 | Beladona | technically the rewrites are working fine |
| 17:53.46 | Shirik | wheeeee |
| 17:53.49 | Fin | yep |
| 17:53.51 | MentalPower | what browser? |
| 17:53.52 | Fin | even after reload |
| 17:53.55 | Shirik | FF 2 |
| 17:53.56 | Fin | Opera |
| 17:53.57 | Beladona | its just that we have a location being redirected somewhere |
| 17:54.10 | Fin | I don't have a location redirected anywhere |
| 17:54.14 | Fin | just Bad Request |
| 17:54.48 | Shirik | It does the hard redirect for foo as before |
| 17:54.50 | Beladona | the thing that gets me is, the first one goes to the right place |
| 17:54.55 | Beladona | it just isn't rewriting silently |
| 17:54.56 | Shirik | but foo/ now gets me a "bad request" error |
| 17:55.25 | MentalPower | wierd... I get a 400 error with IE7... |
| 17:55.34 | Shirik | wait no |
| 17:55.40 | Shirik | foo and foo/ both do that |
| 17:55.45 | Shirik | jmc only does it with jmc/ |
| 17:55.49 | Shirik | jmc hard redirects |
| 17:56.00 | Beladona | you don't have a jmc directory do you? |
| 17:56.07 | Fin | IE caches redirects sometimes |
| 17:56.20 | Shirik | 400 is bad request iirc :) |
| 17:56.25 | Shirik | isn't it? |
| 17:56.30 | Fin | yeah |
| 17:56.36 | MentalPower | Beladona: technically I do |
| 17:56.46 | Shirik | yeah it is |
| 17:56.48 | MentalPower | Beladona: since its in the docroot |
| 17:57.09 | MentalPower | my docroot is the svnparentpath |
| 17:57.38 | Beladona | ew |
| 17:57.49 | Beladona | so you are serving your website from the same place as svn? |
| 17:58.04 | Beladona | wouldn't you want a directory above, at the least? |
| 17:58.08 | MentalPower | I was till a second ago |
| 17:58.11 | MentalPower | not anymore |
| 17:58.17 | MentalPower | still doesn't work tho |
| 17:58.34 | Beladona | clean out your cache |
| 17:58.37 | Beladona | it came up for me |
| 17:58.52 | Beladona | works fine now according to firefox |
| 17:59.07 | Beladona | Available repositories: |
| 17:59.12 | Beladona | Repo #1 |
| 17:59.20 | Beladona | that what it should show? |
| 17:59.45 | MentalPower | nop |
| 17:59.45 | Beladona | oh wait, no trailing slash still fails |
| 17:59.53 | MentalPower | thats the index.php |
| 18:00.08 | MentalPower | k, now I'm getting 400 errors |
| 18:00.10 | Beladona | you changed it again |
| 18:00.44 | Beladona | < so confused |
| 18:01.03 | MentalPower | yeah, I had added a 400 errordocument, but I removed it, since I don't really want that |
| 18:01.37 | Beladona | maybe we need the first slash? |
| 18:01.40 | Beladona | what do you guys think |
| 18:01.57 | Polarina | I'm going to update Relegation. If anyone has some RelegationW, please send them to me. :) |
| 18:02.09 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/svn |
| 18:02.09 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^/(.+)/?$ /svn/$1 |
| 18:02.09 | Polarina | s/W/W files/ |
| 18:03.49 | MentalPower | (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /jmc |
| 18:03.50 | MentalPower | (3) applying pattern '^/$' to uri '/jmc' |
| 18:03.52 | MentalPower | (3) applying pattern '^/index.php/(.*)' to uri '/jmc' |
| 18:03.54 | MentalPower | (3) applying pattern '^(.+)/?$' to uri '/jmc' |
| 18:03.56 | MentalPower | (4) RewriteCond: input='/jmc' pattern='!^svn' => matched |
| 18:03.58 | MentalPower | (2) rewrite '/jmc' -> 'svn//jmc' |
| 18:04.00 | MentalPower | 70.45.79.40 - - [06/Jan/2008:13:01:40 --0500] [svn.gomentalpower.com/sid#5555638745a8][rid#555563bd2fe8/initial] (3) applying pattern '^(.+[^/])$' to uri 'svn//jmc' |
| 18:04.02 | MentalPower | 70.45.79.40 - - [06/Jan/2008:13:01:40 --0500] [svn.gomentalpower.com/sid#5555638745a8][rid#555563bd2fe8/initial] (4) RewriteCond: input='svn//jmc' pattern='-d' => not-matched |
| 18:04.04 | MentalPower | 70.45.79.40 - - [06/Jan/2008:13:01:40 --0500] [svn.gomentalpower.com/sid#5555638745a8][rid#555563bd2fe8/initial] (2) local path result: svn//jmc |
| 18:04.06 | MentalPower | oops... |
| 18:04.11 | Shirik | ~lart MentalPower |
| 18:04.11 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in MentalPower's direction, hitting MentalPower and sending MentalPower flying into the closet |
| 18:04.52 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:04.54 | MentalPower | please don't DDoS my IP :) |
| 18:05.02 | Shirik | /jmc -> svn//jmc ? |
| 18:05.06 | Beladona | is that before or after the last two I gave you? |
| 18:05.13 | MentalPower | yeah, thats the source of the 400 |
| 18:05.16 | MentalPower | Beladona: thats with the last one |
| 18:05.23 | Beladona | so its a problem of double / |
| 18:05.36 | MentalPower | aye |
| 18:07.03 | Shirik | and you're using this? |
| 18:07.11 | Shirik | (13:02:54) (@Beladona) RewriteRule ^/(.+)/?$ /svn/$1 |
| 18:07.18 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:07.28 | Beladona | remove the / before $1 |
| 18:07.38 | MentalPower | yeah just saw it, sorry |
| 18:07.40 | Beladona | doesn't seem right to me thoguh |
| 18:07.40 | MentalPower | I am now |
| 18:07.47 | MentalPower | 404 now |
| 18:07.51 | Beladona | but if it works, go for it |
| 18:08.27 | Beladona | thats with jmc? |
| 18:08.27 | Shirik | definitely need the / there :/ |
| 18:08.30 | Beladona | or something else |
| 18:09.06 | Beladona | why am I not getting errors when I do it? |
| 18:09.36 | Shirik | yeah works for me |
| 18:09.43 | Shirik | though jmc still hard redirects |
| 18:09.49 | Beladona | although now svn is shooting an error |
| 18:10.00 | Beladona | Could not open the requested SVN filesystem |
| 18:10.12 | MentalPower | yeah, added a [PT] to that RewriteRule |
| 18:10.28 | MentalPower | now svn is erroring, lemme check the log |
| 18:10.29 | Shirik | because /svn/jmc is becoming /svn/svn/jmc unless I missed another condition you had |
| 18:10.56 | Fin | so put [NE] there then |
| 18:12.01 | Beladona | how will that fix it? |
| 18:12.11 | Fin | maybe I'm forgetting what [NE] does |
| 18:12.18 | Beladona | no escape |
| 18:12.29 | Fin | oh! d'oh, sorry |
| 18:12.50 | Fin | [L] then maybe :) |
| 18:13.11 | Cide | ^/(svn/)?(.+)/?$ /svn/$2 ? |
| 18:13.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:13.29 | Shirik | that looks familiar |
| 18:13.33 | Beladona | I am having flashbacks |
| 18:13.36 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:13.39 | Cide | if the problem is that /svn/... becomes /svn/svn/... (I haven't been following what you guys are saying :P) |
| 18:13.40 | Fin | thta still matches /svn against itself after the redirect |
| 18:13.44 | Fin | -ta+at |
| 18:13.52 | Beladona | what Cide put SHOULD work |
| 18:13.59 | Beladona | like I thought it would when I proposed it |
| 18:14.09 | Shirik | except you want (?: and $1 |
| 18:14.09 | Beladona | without the RewriteCond before it mind you |
| 18:14.12 | Shirik | again. |
| 18:14.16 | Beladona | why? |
| 18:14.22 | Cide | oh, you proposed that? bastard |
| 18:14.24 | Beladona | it just won't use backreference 1 |
| 18:14.29 | Beladona | woopty doo |
| 18:14.31 | Shirik | Cleaner and better performance :P |
| 18:14.35 | Beladona | meh |
| 18:14.39 | Beladona | lets get it working first |
| 18:14.47 | Fin | I'm not sure there's any point in the ? (in /?$), wouldn't (.+) capture everything anyway? |
| 18:14.52 | Shirik | optimization before implementation always |
| 18:14.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:14.56 | Cide | Shirik: yeah, I always forget how to do lookbehind and lookaheads |
| 18:15.01 | Beladona | yes |
| 18:15.04 | Beladona | there is a point |
| 18:15.28 | Shirik | Do you guys ever look at these things and go |
| 18:15.31 | Shirik | "Why the hell can I read this" ? |
| 18:15.33 | Beladona | without that you are saying only match //something |
| 18:15.47 | Cide | Shirik: regexes? |
| 18:15.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:15.55 | Cide | yeah.. :/ |
| 18:15.56 | Beladona | or scuse me |
| 18:16.03 | Beladona | only match /something/ |
| 18:16.05 | Beladona | but not /something |
| 18:16.13 | Shirik | like seriously if I walked up to someone and showed them ^/(?:svn/)?(.+)/?$ /svn/$2 |
| 18:16.13 | Beladona | with the ? it will match both |
| 18:16.19 | Shirik | they'd think I fell asleep on my keyboard |
| 18:16.36 | Cide | Shirik: $1 |
| 18:16.37 | Cide | noob. |
| 18:16.41 | Shirik | whatever :P |
| 18:16.54 | Beladona | HAHAHA |
| 18:16.58 | Shirik | anyway, kinda like what happens with my /(bb|[^b]{2})/ shirt |
| 18:17.07 | Beladona | is MentalPower even still reading this? |
| 18:17.16 | MentalPower | I am |
| 18:17.41 | MentalPower | well, back to square one |
| 18:17.51 | Shirik | MentalPower are you doing this a .htaccess file? |
| 18:17.54 | Shirik | or httpd.conf |
| 18:18.08 | MentalPower | a conf file included from httpd.conf |
| 18:18.26 | Shirik | there's no chance that something else could be forcing a redirect right? |
| 18:18.34 | Beladona | like an htaccess |
| 18:18.37 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:18.38 | MentalPower | not on this virtualhost |
| 18:18.49 | MentalPower | no, there no .htaccess anywhere |
| 18:19.05 | Beladona | hmm |
| 18:19.07 | Fin | give us a URL to test again? have the ones you pasted before been fixed? |
| 18:19.17 | Beladona | we need a browser plugin that shows headers recieved |
| 18:19.22 | MentalPower | http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc/ works, http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc does not |
| 18:19.32 | Fin | actually it's just a bookmarklet |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik | have one in firefox too |
| 18:19.48 | Cide | forward /(.+)$ to a server-side script, and process it manually and return a 402 status code |
| 18:19.49 | Cide | ... |
| 18:19.56 | Fin | let's fight! |
| 18:20.29 | Shirik | lol Cide |
| 18:20.30 | Shirik | 402? |
| 18:20.36 | Cide | redirect |
| 18:20.39 | Shirik | no |
| 18:20.42 | Shirik | 402 is PaymentRequired |
| 18:20.46 | Cide | oh |
| 18:20.48 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:20.49 | Cide | wtf |
| 18:20.50 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 18:20.52 | zenzelezz | 302? |
| 18:20.54 | MentalPower | 302 |
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| 18:21.01 | Cide | 302. damnit |
| 18:21.10 | Cide | although PaymentRequired works too! |
| 18:21.12 | Shirik | cmon, it's easy |
| 18:21.31 | MentalPower | but I don't want a 302, thats the whole point |
| 18:21.57 | Shirik | 100 is in-progress, 200 is success, 300 is redirection, 400 is client error, 500 is server error |
| 18:22.14 | Cide | yeah, I should've known it wasn't 400 |
| 18:22.31 | Beladona | the problem isn't your mod-rewrite redirect for svn |
| 18:22.47 | Beladona | that I can see |
| 18:22.48 | Fin | yeah |
| 18:23.09 | Fin | is everything readable? |
| 18:23.14 | Shirik | bleh, the standard actually calls 100 "Informational" but I was close enough |
| 18:23.17 | Beladona | check the web interface for the svn viewer |
| 18:23.26 | Fin | it's not trying to redirect to an error page and then trying to redirect the error page again or something? |
| 18:23.55 | Beladona | its not even going to an error |
| 18:24.13 | Fin | well, it's redirecting internally which ends up in a bad request, no? |
| 18:24.17 | Beladona | the problem is /jmc/ gets mod_rewrite treatment |
| 18:24.37 | Beladona | but /jmc gets a regular redirect |
| 18:24.41 | MentalPower | Beladona: err... its mod_dav_svn I really don't want to mess with it if I can avoid it |
| 18:24.45 | Beladona | that shows in the adress bar |
| 18:25.08 | Beladona | MentalPower is trying to make them both behave as /jmc/ does |
| 18:25.10 | Beladona | right? |
| 18:25.11 | Fin | oh! |
| 18:25.30 | Beladona | gremlins |
| 18:25.34 | Beladona | that was my next guess |
| 18:25.37 | Fin | gnomes! |
| 18:26.59 | Fin | try with [NS] |
| 18:28.10 | MentalPower | still no work |
| 18:28.22 | MentalPower | <Beladona>MentalPower is trying to make them both behave as /jmc/ does <---What do you mean? |
| 18:28.24 | Beladona | you aren't still using [PT] are you? |
| 18:28.30 | MentalPower | yes I am |
| 18:28.33 | MentalPower | should I not? |
| 18:28.37 | Beladona | try without |
| 18:28.41 | Beladona | on the svn redirect |
| 18:29.04 | Fin | yeah |
| 18:29.22 | Beladona | what I was saying was, both /jcm and /jcm/ work right now. But /jmc shows the rewritten url in the address bar |
| 18:29.25 | Beladona | which is what you don't want |
| 18:29.33 | Fin | PT would let it add a / to the end of the directory name, and do a standard location header redirect |
| 18:29.50 | Fin | I think |
| 18:29.53 | Beladona | PT = Pass Through |
| 18:30.13 | Fin | yes, [PT] to the rest of the internal apache processing, no? |
| 18:30.15 | MentalPower | Beladona: correct that is what I don't want |
| 18:30.29 | MentalPower | and without [PT] it gives 404s |
| 18:30.35 | Beladona | it allows Mod_Alias and other url reconstruction to happen besides mod-rewrite |
| 18:30.47 | Fin | right, that's what I was saying :) |
| 18:30.47 | Shirik | are you sure about that? |
| 18:30.50 | Shirik | I'm not getting a 404 |
| 18:30.57 | MentalPower | what are you getting? |
| 18:31.00 | Fin | 404s are good |
| 18:31.03 | Shirik | same behavior as before |
| 18:31.14 | Beladona | clear cache |
| 18:31.16 | Fin | that means you just need to change the URL being redirected to... |
| 18:31.18 | Beladona | because I am |
| 18:31.38 | Shirik | stupid cache |
| 18:32.04 | Beladona | leave the PT off for now |
| 18:32.11 | MentalPower | ok |
| 18:32.12 | Beladona | it obviously isn't rewriting now |
| 18:32.19 | Beladona | now we can fix the rewrite itself |
| 18:32.23 | Beladona | and hopefully be done |
| 18:32.35 | Beladona | whats your rewrite look like right now? |
| 18:33.33 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:34.09 | Beladona | something I usually use instead of [L] is RewriteOptions MaxRedirects=1 |
| 18:34.16 | Beladona | at the top of teh rewrite rules |
| 18:34.36 | Beladona | unless you actually have a situation where you want something to get rewritten more than once |
| 18:35.01 | MentalPower | Starting httpd: [Sun Jan 06 13:34:44 2008] [warn] RewriteOptions: MaxRedirects option has been removed in favor of the global LimitInternalRecursion directive and will be ignored. |
| 18:35.18 | Beladona | oh maybe I have an oler version or something |
| 18:35.24 | Beladona | forget that then |
| 18:36.44 | Shirik | What is [NS] again? |
| 18:36.57 | Beladona | No SubRequest |
| 18:36.58 | Shirik | no subrequest |
| 18:37.01 | Beladona | I don't think its needed there |
| 18:37.32 | Beladona | you do need an [L] though |
| 18:38.10 | Beladona | bear with me but, what exactly are you doing on line 26 MentalPower? |
| 18:38.24 | Shirik | adding a trailing / if it's not there |
| 18:38.41 | MentalPower | Beladona: what Shirik said |
| 18:39.25 | Shirik | ohhh |
| 18:39.27 | Shirik | I see what you need to do |
| 18:39.29 | Shirik | regexbuddy ftw |
| 18:39.36 | Fin | ^(.+[^/])$ is equivalent to [^/]+ btw (actually not quite but basically) |
| 18:39.53 | Shirik | Ok |
| 18:39.56 | Shirik | kill lines 25 and 26 |
| 18:39.57 | Fin | but, still, Apache does that anyway doesn it? |
| 18:40.02 | Fin | +'t |
| 18:40.04 | Fin | hahah |
| 18:40.05 | Shirik | and then use this matching pattern: ^/(svn/)?(.+?)/?$ |
| 18:40.12 | Shirik | With this replacement: /svn/$2/ |
| 18:40.15 | Cide | that looks familiar |
| 18:40.24 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:40.28 | Beladona | Shirik: we think alike |
| 18:40.29 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 18:40.32 | Beladona | my local version has that |
| 18:40.36 | Fin | just ^/(svn/)?(.+?)?$ would be enough |
| 18:40.47 | Fin | er -? |
| 18:40.51 | Beladona | no |
| 18:40.53 | MentalPower | so RewriteRule ^/(svn/)?(.+?)/?$ /svn/$2/ ? |
| 18:40.54 | Beladona | leave that alone |
| 18:40.59 | Shirik | MentalPower: Yeah |
| 18:41.03 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^/(svn/)?(.+)/?$ /svn/$2/ [L] |
| 18:41.05 | Fin | ^/(svn/)?(.+)$ |
| 18:41.08 | Shirik | Oh yeah [L] |
| 18:41.09 | Shirik | sorry |
| 18:41.30 | Shirik | I tested /foo /svn/foo /foo/ and /svn/foo/ and they all go to the same place |
| 18:41.48 | MentalPower | does that replace line 24 too? |
| 18:41.57 | MentalPower | they're almost the same |
| 18:41.59 | Beladona | I have a couple other suggestions too |
| 18:41.59 | Shirik | Yeah that's the new 24 |
| 18:42.05 | Shirik | and get rid of 25 and 26 |
| 18:42.25 | Beladona | change 20 and 21 to be: |
| 18:42.27 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d |
| 18:42.28 | Beladona | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f |
| 18:42.28 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^(.*) index.php [L] |
| 18:42.28 | Beladona | RewriteRule ^/index.php/(.*) /index.php?header=$1 [L] |
| 18:42.36 | Beladona | well |
| 18:42.37 | MentalPower | I think I need the [PT] there too |
| 18:42.41 | Beladona | you aren't really changing 21 |
| 18:42.54 | Shirik | Try it with and without :) |
| 18:43.01 | Shirik | not like it's going to blow up if you're wrong |
| 18:43.07 | Shirik | otherwise the world would be dead by now |
| 18:43.13 | Shirik | about 100 times over |
| 18:43.21 | MentalPower | you guys ROCK!!! |
| 18:43.24 | Shirik | it worked? |
| 18:43.25 | Beladona | worked? |
| 18:43.26 | MentalPower | http://svn.gomentalpower.com/jmc |
| 18:43.34 | Beladona | kickass |
| 18:43.44 | Beladona | I bet the L was the main thing you needed |
| 18:43.53 | MentalPower | probably |
| 18:44.15 | Beladona | mod_rewrite is so much fun |
| 18:44.18 | Shirik | it is |
| 18:44.22 | Beladona | when you get it right anyway |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | I should have been watching the warnings too |
| 18:44.56 | Shirik | RegexBuddy was complaining about it the whole time =( |
| 18:44.59 | Beladona | I so need to get my documentation up for wdn so people know how to use the rewrites |
| 18:45.48 | Shirik | Warning: Greedy universal match is followed by a 0 to 1 match |
| 18:46.07 | Shirik | Which is correct, such a thing doesn't make any sense :/ |
| 18:47.34 | Shirik | Anyway |
| 18:47.40 | Shirik | now that this dillemma has been solved |
| 18:47.42 | MentalPower | Beladona: you change to lines 20-21 doesn't work |
| 18:47.43 | Shirik | I am going to mcdonalds |
| 18:47.56 | Shirik | btw MentalPower if you want to be cleaner, like I always insist upon :P |
| 18:47.58 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/155495.html?playlist=featured <-NOES TEH COOLNESS MIGHT BE OVER SOON |
| 18:47.58 | MentalPower | Shirik: thanks a TON Shirik |
| 18:48.11 | Fisker- | Thought the coolness was over some years ago : ( |
| 18:48.25 | Shirik | RedwiteRule ^/(?:svn/)?(.+?)/?$ /svn/$1/ [L] |
| 18:48.28 | Fin | whee! I was right, for once :) |
| 18:48.33 | Shirik | except spell RewriteRule correctly |
| 18:48.50 | Shirik | np, and hey Beladona helped out too |
| 18:48.53 | Shirik | and Cide |
| 18:49.10 | Shirik | and I think Fin tried to >< |
| 18:49.16 | Shirik | <3 Fin |
| 18:49.19 | Fin | :( |
| 18:49.31 | Shirik | I still don't understand this: (13:41:50) (Fin) ^/(svn/)?(.+)$ |
| 18:49.39 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 18:49.41 | Shirik | ok Fin helped too |
| 18:50.03 | MentalPower | I love this channel |
| 18:50.14 | Fin | oh, that was because I wasn't thinking - the /? at the end of the regex Cide (and you) pasted was to avoid double slashes I guess |
| 18:50.15 | MentalPower | thanks a TON all who helped |
| 18:50.27 | Shirik | Fin: Yeah that's what it was for |
| 18:50.53 | Shirik | and buddy helped too, even if I did ignore one of the more important warnings >< |
| 18:50.54 | Fin | I actually use something almost exactly the same somewhere, I just wasn't thinkin |
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| 18:53.13 | Fisker- | i hate you fin |
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| 18:54.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:54.22 | Shirik | I completely remember how to use mod_rewrite again |
| 18:54.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:54.31 | Shirik | thanks for the refresher |
| 18:54.34 | Shirik | now to go get something to eat |
| 18:55.27 | Shirik | Actually before I go, anyone remember this picture discussed earlier? http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/DSCN7823.JPG |
| 18:55.42 | Shirik | I just thought of something else... if the pool's rubber then shouldn't it be safe? They're not grounded. |
| 18:55.48 | Shirik | I'm not about to go test this though |
| 18:55.54 | Fin | I'm going to go with no there |
| 18:56.00 | Beladona | yeah that is ust scary |
| 18:56.37 | Shirik | I should ask one of the EE guys I'm working with |
| 18:56.42 | Shirik | he might be able to give me an answer |
| 18:57.03 | Shirik | And really there should be a GFI on that power strip too |
| 18:57.14 | Fin | what's a GFI |
| 18:57.18 | Shirik | ground fault interrupt |
| 18:57.36 | Shirik | it's that third prong you see on some power cords that provides protection from shorts |
| 18:57.42 | Fin | oh, yeah, whenever I'm using one in my pool, I always make sure to have a GFI on my power strip |
| 18:57.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:57.51 | Fin | :P |
| 18:58.02 | Fin | I think UK ones have them by default |
| 18:58.18 | Shirik | But seriously that's why wetvacs and hot tub heaters are so safe even in the case of a short |
| 18:58.37 | MentalPower | well, I think that pool is safe as long as they stay inside |
| 18:58.54 | MentalPower | if they try to exit there might be some issues if the power strip is grounded |
| 18:59.03 | Shirik | the negative terminal's current no longer matches the positive's terminal which generates a magnetic field inducing current on the third prong which triggers the interrupt |
| 18:59.03 | MentalPower | err... shorted |
| 18:59.38 | Shirik | Damn computer engineering you have ruined my brain |
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| 19:00.18 | dolby-wowi | yeah one leg in and out leg out would be bad |
| 19:00.38 | Shirik | yes very bad |
| 19:00.58 | Shirik | but again if that power strip is wired correctly it should cut out as soon as there's a short to ground |
| 19:01.53 | dolby-wowi | but its all ok because they are using flipflops to float the power strip |
| 19:02.00 | Fin | haven't repeated that experience, I will note |
| 19:02.13 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:02.14 | Shirik | bad idea |
| 19:02.27 | Fin | I was fully aware of what I was doing |
| 19:02.31 | Shirik | But whatever you do, if you're using a multimeter on a AC power supply, always use one hand for both leads |
| 19:02.38 | Beladona | I showed my wife that picture, and before she even said anything about the surge protector, she said "I think that guy is naked" |
| 19:02.40 | Shirik | so if you do get shocked it doesn't go through your heart |
| 19:03.16 | dolby-wowi | lol Bela |
| 19:03.24 | Shirik | Actually in 3rd grade we were doing this "batteries and bulbs" unit and some kid (total delinquent) got sent to the corner for misbehaving |
| 19:03.32 | Shirik | Unfortunately it was next to the light switch |
| 19:03.59 | Shirik | a few minutes later all I remember is hearing the teacher yelling "Josh no!" then turning around quickly at a sudden "boom" |
| 19:04.15 | Shirik | that's probably why his head's so messed up today >< |
| 19:04.31 | Shirik | that or the drugs |
| 19:04.33 | Shirik | probably both |
| 19:05.23 | Shirik | Anyway GFIs trip as soon as there is 5mA or more leak current which is far more than a safe current to pass through your body |
| 19:05.33 | Shirik | eh, far less* |
| 19:06.08 | dolby-wowi | how do you know that is GFI'd? |
| 19:06.24 | Shirik | I don't, I'm just saying if it is :) |
| 19:06.29 | dolby-wowi | ah |
| 19:07.49 | Beladona | Lego Star Wars = fun |
| 19:08.37 | JoshBork1 | Beladona: agreed |
| 19:08.56 | dolby-wowi | yeah |
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| 19:09.37 | dolby-wowi | waiting for Lego Star Wars MMO |
| 19:11.17 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:11.20 | Shirik | are you serious? |
| 19:11.28 | Shirik | lego mmo? |
| 19:11.32 | dolby-wowi | lol no |
| 19:11.59 | Shirik | ok good >< |
| 19:12.06 | Shirik | I was like "that's almost as bad as hello kitty mmo" |
| 19:12.14 | End | lol |
| 19:12.33 | Shirik | Okay not even kidding now, I need to go eat |
| 19:12.34 | Shirik | bbl |
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| 19:17.23 | MentalPower | Beladona: still around? |
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| 19:20.51 | Beladona | yes |
| 19:21.38 | MentalPower | I have a new problem, loosely related to the last one |
| 19:22.37 | MentalPower | since svn's Location is /svn, svn adds that to the paths it outputs, hence breaking the clients accessing that repository |
| 19:23.02 | sioraiocht | wtf? this tourguide step makes NO sense |
| 19:23.06 | MentalPower | since the clients expect /jmc/something/somethingelse and mod_dav_svn is giving them /svn/jmc/something/somehtingelse |
| 19:23.13 | sioraiocht | "Kill mobs until you get the questitem for your Shaman quest" [sic] |
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| 19:23.44 | Beladona | client, as in an svn client? |
| 19:23.48 | MentalPower | so, any way to modify the rewrite stuff we already have to work it svn being in / instead of /svn |
| 19:23.50 | MentalPower | Beladona: correct |
| 19:24.12 | Beladona | well rewrite won't do anything for an svn client |
| 19:24.18 | Beladona | will it? |
| 19:24.36 | sioraiocht | what's option house? |
| 19:25.04 | MentalPower | Beladona: correct |
| 19:25.25 | MentalPower | so basically I need to change the location on line 33 from /svn to just / |
| 19:25.37 | MentalPower | but that will break the other rewrite stuff already there |
| 19:26.28 | Beladona | you are accessing the svn via http:// and rewrite is rewriting requests for http://svnserver/jmc to http://svnserver/svn/jcm |
| 19:26.30 | Beladona | right? |
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| 19:27.15 | MentalPower | correct |
| 19:27.34 | Beladona | thats tough |
| 19:27.52 | Beladona | because fixing it would break what you just did on the web end |
| 19:28.10 | Beladona | what happens if you set your svn root to the web root? |
| 19:28.50 | Beladona | that way a request for http://svnserver/svn/jmc would actually be legitimate |
| 19:28.57 | MentalPower | if I set svnroot to webroot, svn breaks, if I set webroot to svnroot I have no clue |
| 19:29.36 | Beladona | this is why I always put svn on a separate path compeltely and access it via a subdomain |
| 19:30.02 | MentalPower | meaning? |
| 19:30.17 | Beladona | you are already running this on a subdomain though |
| 19:30.22 | MentalPower | You want to know the base reason for all of this? |
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| 19:30.48 | Beladona | sure |
| 19:31.26 | MentalPower | you know that index.php that shhows the list of available repos |
| 19:31.31 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:31.49 | MentalPower | well, I want that to show even if the actual repos require authentication |
| 19:32.19 | MentalPower | basically have index.php not require auth, but the rest have it so that it does |
| 19:32.23 | Beladona | I don't know enough about mod_dav_svn to know how to work around that |
| 19:32.42 | Polarina | Industrial: I have something to tell you. Should I tell you it the stupid way or the normal way? :) |
| 19:32.49 | Beladona | but ideally you want mod_dav_svn to serve it the same way as you do on your website |
| 19:33.21 | Beladona | does your site support htaccess? |
| 19:33.30 | MentalPower | Beladona: yes it does |
| 19:33.55 | Beladona | can you make an svn subdirectory under the svn path, with an htaccess that redirects to the right place? |
| 19:34.10 | MentalPower | Beladona: http://svn.norganna.org/ <--Thats what I want, but in my case the repos themselves are auth-enabled |
| 19:34.16 | Beladona | that way a request for svn/svn/jmc would get svn/jmc |
| 19:34.45 | Beladona | auth to view? |
| 19:34.50 | MentalPower | mod_dav_svn ignores those I think |
| 19:34.53 | MentalPower | Beladona: aye |
| 19:35.05 | Beladona | ouch |
| 19:35.22 | Beladona | thats a tough one |
| 19:35.35 | MentalPower | yup, svn ignores any .htaccess inside its control path |
| 19:35.36 | Beladona | I know how I would do it if I wasn't using mod_dav_svn |
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| 19:36.04 | Beladona | but that would require some other solution, like websvn |
| 19:36.22 | MentalPower | well, I can use websvn for the web part, thats no issue |
| 19:36.32 | MentalPower | but mod_dav_svn still needs to serve the svn clients |
| 19:36.46 | MentalPower | (and they're both on the same port) |
| 19:39.17 | Beladona | I would have svn on a separate host than your website, that way you could access the repo list with auth |
| 19:39.45 | Beladona | then people would access the svn by one host, and view it by another |
| 19:40.17 | Beladona | say svn.yourdomain.com for clients, and websvn.yourdomain.com to view |
| 19:40.34 | Beladona | you can even put an index.php on svn.yourdomain.com that redirects browsers to websvn |
| 19:40.47 | Beladona | and it won't affect svn clients |
| 19:41.03 | MentalPower | that index.php would need to be open tho |
| 19:41.11 | MentalPower | which is my original issue |
| 19:41.21 | MentalPower | I could not make that single file not require auth |
| 19:41.26 | Beladona | your svn is authed, not the directory |
| 19:41.28 | Beladona | isn't it? |
| 19:41.36 | Beladona | you would serve it just like you are your original index |
| 19:41.57 | Beladona | and then on your websvn you provide the auth as part of the config |
| 19:42.04 | Beladona | that way it shows what you want |
| 19:42.09 | MentalPower | well, since I would be using SVNParentPath / the whole subdomain would be authed |
| 19:42.14 | Beladona | you would just need to disable anything you don't want people doing |
| 19:42.39 | Beladona | hmm |
| 19:43.02 | Beladona | too bad clad isn't here, I think he has more experience doing what you describe |
| 19:43.14 | Beladona | I usually access my svn by the actual svn port |
| 19:43.21 | Beladona | svn:// |
| 19:44.03 | MentalPower | thats an idea... |
| 19:44.06 | Beladona | the auth to view is what is killing it though |
| 19:44.16 | Beladona | why not allow anonymous viewing? |
| 19:44.26 | Beladona | aren't you doing that already with an index |
| 19:44.41 | MentalPower | nop |
| 19:44.55 | MentalPower | I removed the auth so you could see what I was trying to do |
| 19:45.01 | MentalPower | go ahead and try it now |
| 19:45.02 | Beladona | you are just showing what repo's are being hosted |
| 19:45.05 | MentalPower | aye |
| 19:45.09 | Beladona | but nothing else |
| 19:45.13 | MentalPower | but not the actual stuff inside |
| 19:45.16 | MentalPower | bingo |
| 19:45.50 | Beladona | http://svn.norganna.org/ isn't doing that already? |
| 19:46.01 | Beladona | I get service unavailable if I click a link |
| 19:46.56 | MentalPower | erm... |
| 19:47.04 | Shirik | I have never scarfed down a pod of mcdonalds fries so quickly in my life |
| 19:47.05 | MentalPower | that server is not working right at the moment |
| 19:47.10 | Shirik | omg |
| 19:47.12 | MentalPower | I can't even ssh into it |
| 19:47.13 | Beladona | ahh |
| 19:47.26 | Beladona | maybe Shirik knows |
| 19:47.34 | MentalPower | at any rate this is not for norganna |
| 19:47.41 | MentalPower | its for a personal project |
| 19:47.53 | MentalPower | hence why no anon views |
| 19:48.28 | Shirik | omg milk shake |
| 19:48.29 | Shirik | <3 <3 |
| 19:48.30 | Beladona | Shirik: the mod_rewrite rules we used are affecting svn clients too, who are accessing their respoitories via http://server/repo which gets rewritten to http://server/svn/repo because of our rules |
| 19:48.40 | Beladona | which is wrong |
| 19:48.42 | Shirik | oh yuckie |
| 19:48.52 | Beladona | I can't think of a way to fix that without yanking the rewrite rule |
| 19:48.58 | Shirik | you can specify a specific protocol by force |
| 19:49.03 | Shirik | your svn clients don't connect on 80 right? |
| 19:49.09 | Beladona | they are accessing it on port 80 though |
| 19:49.14 | Beladona | hence the http |
| 19:49.14 | MentalPower | err... they do currently |
| 19:49.14 | Shirik | bah |
| 19:49.27 | MentalPower | that can change tho |
| 19:49.29 | Shirik | I don't really have a good solution for that unfortunately =( |
| 19:49.38 | Beladona | that would be your simplest solution |
| 19:49.38 | Shirik | I've always done svn:// for clients |
| 19:49.42 | Beladona | same |
| 19:49.55 | Beladona | that won't touch apache or mod_dav_svn |
| 19:49.57 | Beladona | so no rewrite |
| 19:50.00 | Shirik | omg so good |
| 19:50.15 | MentalPower | that works off svnserve right? |
| 19:50.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:50.21 | MentalPower | does that support auth? |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:50.42 | MentalPower | via the same passwd file apache does or do I need to have two files? |
| 19:51.25 | Shirik | I've always done it with a separate file but there might be another way |
| 19:52.27 | Industrial | Polarina: ?? |
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| 19:52.48 | Beladona | your svn repo is referencing that file already isn't it? |
| 19:52.54 | Beladona | in its conf |
| 19:53.01 | MentalPower | yes |
| 19:53.07 | Beladona | shouldn't need to change anything then |
| 19:53.49 | MentalPower | for the web part no |
| 19:53.49 | MentalPower | but I think svn:// uses a different auth protocol |
| 19:53.49 | Beladona | just make sure that port is open, and tell your clients to access via svn://svn.yourdomain.com/repo |
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| 19:53.54 | Beladona | then you can do whatever you watn on the web side |
| 19:54.20 | MentalPower | won't that mean that svn:// would be open? |
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| 19:54.51 | Beladona | the port? yeah |
| 19:55.13 | Beladona | but as long as your repo is configured with the auth file, it will be locked down the same as it is on the web side |
| 19:56.26 | MentalPower | right, got it |
| 19:56.34 | MentalPower | I'll work on it |
| 19:56.50 | Beladona | sorry if I overwhelmed you |
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| 19:57.10 | Beladona | I know its a different direction than you were originally heading |
| 19:57.21 | MentalPower | nah, its fine |
| 19:57.30 | MentalPower | at least I have the web part working |
| 19:59.54 | sioraiocht | Industrial: is your name irl tom? |
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| 20:17.22 | Cide | ever heard of DCC? :P |
| 20:22.40 | Shirik | I actually don't remember the last time I've seen a successful DCC transfer |
| 20:22.49 | Shirik | the world is to security-consious these days |
| 20:23.04 | Cide | works for me |
| 20:23.31 | Shirik | yeah well my ISP goes "no, go diaf" |
| 20:23.45 | Shirik | and rather than setting up firewall reconfigurations I just don't bother |
| 20:25.12 | Beladona | Polarina: approved |
| 20:26.17 | zenzelezz | DCC is all about the port |
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| 20:37.02 | Polarina | Beladona: Thanks. |
| 20:37.58 | Polarina | *Sarcasm detected!* |
| 20:40.32 | Polarina | Oh.. It was a bug in the bot. |
| 20:45.51 | Polarina | So, the addon now automatically reports anyone saying "lol" and it got approved. Cool! :D |
| 20:48.39 | Polarina | Beladona: What are you going to do about it now? :) |
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| 21:02.20 | zenzelezz | Polarina: this is why you test thorougly before releasing |
| 21:02.37 | zenzelezz | ;) |
| 21:03.04 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Test what? |
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| 21:09.11 | Polarina | zenzelezz: ? |
| 21:10.09 | Beladona | does it really Polarina? |
| 21:11.02 | Polarina | Beladona: Maybe, maybe not. Did you check? No, so changes are that it is. |
| 21:11.02 | sioraiocht | that's horrible if that's the case |
| 21:11.24 | Shirik | would you do that intentionally? |
| 21:11.44 | Shirik | Because while that's a perfectly admissible addon to wowinterface it would also completely destroy your reputation |
| 21:11.57 | Polarina | Shirik: Trolling the IRC channels a little. |
| 21:12.13 | sioraiocht | what?! |
| 21:12.40 | Polarina | sioraiocht: :) |
| 21:12.46 | Industrial | < sioraiocht> Industrial: is your name irl tom? |
| 21:12.47 | Industrial | yes |
| 21:12.51 | sioraiocht | lol weird |
| 21:12.59 | sioraiocht | i just noticed it from the guild notes |
| 21:13.02 | sioraiocht | so is mine |
| 21:13.09 | sioraiocht | i mean, it's not that weird, it's a common enough nanme |
| 21:13.14 | Beladona | we check for viruses, for improper content, publishing of addons that don't belong to you, etc... |
| 21:13.20 | Beladona | we DO NOT however test your addon for you |
| 21:13.38 | Industrial | heh ^^ |
| 21:13.41 | Shirik | That would be virtually impossible |
| 21:13.43 | Beladona | so if it does in fact report people for using the word "lol" tell me now |
| 21:14.22 | sioraiocht | Beladona: I'm pretty sure disgruntled users no how to get the word out...these little things tend to work themselves out, even if it does mean someone's metaphorical head ends up on a metaphorical pike |
| 21:14.24 | Polarina | Beladona: It doesn't. But if you want to be sure, there's only one way to be sure. That is to add me to the top of your threat list. |
| 21:14.40 | Shirik | It's fairly simple just to not approve your addons anymore I'm sure |
| 21:14.45 | Shirik | I wouldn't push your luck |
| 21:15.01 | sioraiocht | wow, did I just confuse no = know? |
| 21:15.17 | Polarina | Beladona: I can let you have the script that generates the hashes with the original messages. |
| 21:15.38 | Shirik | Or instead of being all secretive |
| 21:15.49 | Beladona | I can check on my own |
| 21:15.51 | Shirik | you could just come out and say "No, it doesn't do that. I don't know why someone reported that." |
| 21:15.54 | Beladona | and ban appriopriately |
| 21:15.59 | sioraiocht | polarina, jesus tapdancing christ, just be honest and open. does it or doesn't it? if it doesn't, why did you say so? |
| 21:16.21 | Polarina | It does not, it only contains hashes of genuine gold spamming advertisements, and that's final! |
| 21:16.37 | Industrial | or does it |
| 21:16.41 | Polarina | No, it doesn't. |
| 21:16.51 | batrick | i'll hash ur fase |
| 21:16.58 | sioraiocht | well, seems sort of odd that only the hashes are in the code |
| 21:17.11 | sioraiocht | when lua strings are hashed anyway, so the comparisons would cost the same |
| 21:17.15 | Beladona | do me a favor |
| 21:17.25 | Beladona | from now on include a flat list of messages as well |
| 21:17.30 | sioraiocht | what's a fase, I wonder |
| 21:17.32 | Beladona | instead of just teh hashes |
| 21:17.38 | Beladona | that way it can be checked |
| 21:17.48 | Polarina | Beladona: Will you then remove them? |
| 21:18.04 | Beladona | remove what? your addon? |
| 21:18.16 | Polarina | No, the original messages I would include in that file. |
| 21:18.19 | Beladona | if we find out it doesn't do what is advertised, and causes problems for players, yet we would |
| 21:18.32 | Beladona | no we odn't alter your zip file |
| 21:18.33 | sioraiocht | what's so super sekrit about the list? |
| 21:18.34 | Beladona | don't |
| 21:18.49 | Beladona | just include a txt file |
| 21:18.51 | Beladona | pretty simple |
| 21:18.58 | Polarina | Beladona: I can send you the original messages if you want. |
| 21:19.16 | Beladona | thats not the point |
| 21:19.24 | Beladona | we shouldn't have to have you send it every time |
| 21:19.26 | Polarina | sioraiocht: I don't want to distribute their advertisements in plain text.. |
| 21:19.33 | Beladona | just include the source in the addon |
| 21:19.35 | Beladona | easy enough |
| 21:19.36 | sioraiocht | Polarina: why not? |
| 21:19.51 | Beladona | technically, you arelady are |
| 21:19.54 | batrick | I don't understand why polarina is hashing the gold messages |
| 21:19.57 | Beladona | just in hash format |
| 21:20.22 | Beladona | I could see it as a way to shorten and otherwise reduce storage needs for each message |
| 21:20.22 | foxlit | There is no technical reason to do it. Polarina wants to. Story ends there :) |
| 21:20.26 | sioraiocht | batrick: unnecessary computation translates into more heat, which could be used for drive a steam generator? just guessing |
| 21:20.32 | Beladona | otherwise there is no reason other than to be secretive |
| 21:20.45 | foxlit | I bet it's to reuse hashing code :P |
| 21:20.52 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 21:20.53 | Shirik | Yeah I was discussing this earlier... I see no benefit at all to hashing |
| 21:20.54 | sioraiocht | ooh |
| 21:20.56 | sioraiocht | i wanna reuse code |
| 21:21.09 | sioraiocht | i wrote a HMM part of speech tagger in lua, how can i make that into an add-on.. |
| 21:21.15 | Shirik | aside from breaking the ideas of open source |
| 21:22.06 | Beladona | technically, the code that generates the hashes is there, so I assume we could generate a reverse algorithm anyway |
| 21:22.25 | sioraiocht | Beladona: actually...hashes are one way.. |
| 21:22.29 | sioraiocht | that's...why...they're hashes... |
| 21:22.54 | Beladona | just an fyi |
| 21:23.00 | Beladona | when we look at addons for approval |
| 21:23.04 | Beladona | or at least when I do |
| 21:23.19 | Beladona | the first thign I look for is if it is a new addon, of an update |
| 21:23.27 | Beladona | if it is new, I tend to look a lot deeper at the code |
| 21:23.33 | Beladona | if there is any question |
| 21:23.47 | Beladona | if it is an update, I tend not to bother, and just do the normal virus, and other checks |
| 21:24.11 | Beladona | if you have in fact submitted something as an update that is malicious, it will work itself out when people start complaining |
| 21:24.27 | Polarina | Beladona: To be honest, I would never dream of doing such a thing like including the hash of the string "lol". |
| 21:24.31 | Beladona | and it will get removed, and you will get warned - or banned if necessary |
| 21:25.08 | batrick | hope the algorithm is good polarina, you might do it on accident :P |
| 21:25.38 | Beladona | well it isn't like we just brought it up to suggest you would |
| 21:25.39 | sioraiocht | Polarina: ever heard of COLLISIONS? |
| 21:25.48 | Beladona | YOU brought it up |
| 21:25.51 | Polarina | batrick: In the 10 years of the algorithm existance, no collisions have been found. |
| 21:26.01 | Polarina | Beladona: I'm sorry. |
| 21:26.04 | Shirik | Okay let me just put it this way Polarina? |
| 21:26.18 | Shirik | There are more possibilitys of chat messages than there are hashes |
| 21:26.24 | Shirik | That implies that there must be at least one collision |
| 21:26.28 | batrick | ^ |
| 21:26.31 | Beladona | no worries. Just be careful not to cry wolf. the moderators / admins take that stuff seriously |
| 21:26.32 | Polarina | Shirik: Yes. |
| 21:27.08 | batrick | am I to understand that Polarina is crying wolf on her own addon? |
| 21:27.11 | batrick | that's sorta, wierd |
| 21:27.14 | Polarina | Shirik: Most likely some garbaged text. |
| 21:27.36 | Polarina | batrick: I was just trolling the IRC channel. ... |
| 21:27.41 | Beladona | I think the goal was to suggest that we should test every addon to verify they aren't malicious by installing them and checking them in minute detail |
| 21:27.48 | Beladona | just in case |
| 21:28.02 | Beladona | and in a perfect world, I would agree, that would be a good approach |
| 21:28.18 | Beladona | unfortuantely, that would take a lot of time, and not everyone is as good at addon code as me or others |
| 21:28.30 | Polarina | Beladona: To correct you, in a perfect world, there doesn't exist malicious code. |
| 21:28.33 | Beladona | so add, oh, an hour or more to each approval |
| 21:28.43 | Shirik | even then, some of these addons are so obfuscated or unclearly written it's almost impossible to decipher exactly what it's going to do |
| 21:28.53 | Beladona | exactly |
| 21:28.54 | batrick | malicious code doesn't necessarily need to be made by a malicious author |
| 21:28.59 | Beladona | every person writes their code different |
| 21:29.11 | Beladona | and a truly intentional malicious addon could hide it if they really tried |
| 21:29.22 | Shirik | like RDX, lol |
| 21:29.32 | Shirik | dear god that thing was impossible to take apart |
| 21:29.35 | Shirik | Veni was a madman |
| 21:29.41 | Shirik | he's awesome, but a madman |
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| 21:30.04 | dylanm | Like that one AV queueing addon that the guy wanted only Horde to use. |
| 21:30.24 | dylanm | Shadowed unhaxxed it but I imagine that'd be fun to approve. |
| 21:30.25 | Polarina | dylanm: Tell me more. |
| 21:30.56 | Shadowed | that was fun to decode |
| 21:32.13 | Beladona | some people code addons that way specifically to deter people from learning / re-using them |
| 21:32.16 | Beladona | which is silly imho |
| 21:32.27 | Beladona | make it readable |
| 21:32.41 | Beladona | or as close as you can get it without removing functionality |
| 21:32.45 | Shirik | Veni wrote a program to obfuscate his code, which not only put it all on one line |
| 21:32.57 | Shirik | but it also put in random characters and statements, etc. And best of all |
| 21:33.10 | Shirik | if it detected you trying to circumvent the approval system, it would scramble your SV |
| 21:33.21 | Polarina | Shirik: Rename variables to superman and batman? |
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| 21:33.39 | Shirik | needless to say RDX.Cid did not have any of this in it :P |
| 21:33.57 | Beladona | its a shame really |
| 21:34.07 | Shirik | it is? o.o |
| 21:34.12 | Shirik | Maybe I can ask veni for the program |
| 21:34.16 | Beladona | the very idea of addons is built on the principle that the code is somewhat open and usable |
| 21:34.23 | Shirik | Oh that shame |
| 21:34.29 | Shirik | yes it really is |
| 21:34.44 | cogwheel | meh |
| 21:34.48 | Shirik | but people try to make it their life goal to circumvent this open community and hide their accomplishments |
| 21:34.51 | cogwheel | it's a software platform, plain and simple imo |
| 21:34.53 | Shirik | ... worse, for profit. |
| 21:34.57 | Beladona | plus, most authors learned by referencing other addons |
| 21:35.06 | Shirik | I sure did |
| 21:35.19 | Shirik | somehow I learned Lua by coding RDX.Cid but.... I did |
| 21:35.20 | Beladona | but then, RDX cost money didn't it? |
| 21:35.35 | Shirik | Well RDX 5 was strictly Eredar GoD only |
| 21:35.40 | Shirik | GoD = TG/SoD raid team |
| 21:35.55 | Shirik | If you didn't use it on Eredar and you didn't get it activated through Veni, it plain wouldn't work. |
| 21:36.20 | cogwheel | how dare someone want to reap a reward from their hard work... |
| 21:36.21 | Shirik | RDX 6 was purchasable with a monthly license |
| 21:36.27 | Shirik | Well I'll give them that cogwheel |
| 21:36.30 | Shirik | It's a fair enough point |
| 21:36.42 | Shirik | Because Veni really is a genius |
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| 21:37.10 | Shirik | However you didn't see the drama on the Eredar forums week after week |
| 21:37.17 | Shirik | And I mean I was in TG and /I/ was getting sick of it |
| 21:37.46 | Shirik | At first it was amusing all the people were jealous because they couldn't get their hands on this addon that supposedly "played the game for you" |
| 21:37.53 | Industrial | cogwheel: cause when you make it TO make money with it its uncool :D? |
| 21:38.23 | Industrial | at least in a world of free software |
| 21:38.28 | Industrial | >_> |
| 21:38.54 | cogwheel | but isn't having it for a fee better than not having it at all? (assuming the opportunity for profit really WAS his primary objective) |
| 21:39.12 | Shirik | But seriously, like Veni's leading these raids and he's coding while he's doing it, they wipe, he sends out a patch, raid team installs it. I mean I coded during MC runs and all |
| 21:39.19 | Shirik | But I wasn't leading the team |
| 21:39.24 | Industrial | cogwheel: I think so |
| 21:40.07 | Beladona | the argument isn't so much them charging for it |
| 21:40.15 | Industrial | money is evil >:P why corrupt our lovely addons with it? |
| 21:40.21 | Beladona | its you spending money on it, when someone could easily make or use a free alternative |
| 21:40.37 | Beladona | seems silly to me |
| 21:40.41 | cogwheel | I could easily grow my own food, but i'd rather not... |
| 21:40.53 | Beladona | thats a poor analogy |
| 21:41.12 | cogwheel | yeah... i read that wrong at first |
| 21:41.34 | cogwheel | the fact is, the option IS there |
| 21:41.57 | cogwheel | no one is forced to buy it, and there /are/ free alternatives |
| 21:42.02 | Beladona | exactly |
| 21:42.09 | Beladona | so its not his fault for charging |
| 21:42.22 | Beladona | its the buyers fault for there being a market |
| 21:42.27 | Shirik | In all honesty |
| 21:42.31 | cogwheel | fault for what though? |
| 21:42.38 | Shirik | I don't know why there are so many people that pay for all this gold, etc. |
| 21:42.43 | Industrial | bringing money into the game |
| 21:42.47 | Shirik | But if people will buy it, there will be someone who develops it |
| 21:42.54 | Shirik | That's the nature of capitalism |
| 21:42.57 | cogwheel | you're taking it for granted that that's wrong... |
| 21:43.00 | cogwheel | i'm challenging that |
| 21:43.07 | Beladona | maybe "fault" is a bad word |
| 21:43.29 | Industrial | what if I dont have money? I wouldnt need any if it was free |
| 21:43.37 | Industrial | noone would need any |
| 21:43.54 | cogwheel | free products compete just like for-pay products. If the features in $ product A are worth $ to me, i'm going to pay |
| 21:44.01 | Beladona | what I was trying to say is, we can't yell at the author for charging really. We can only blame the people who buy it for making it an option in the first place |
| 21:44.08 | cogwheel | whether there are free ones or not |
| 21:44.20 | cogwheel | Beladona: that's still assuming there's something wrong with it... |
| 21:44.27 | foxlit | ... which there isn't. |
| 21:44.32 | cogwheel | Industrial: then you are free not to buy it |
| 21:44.55 | Industrial | and what would happen if everyone charged for their addons? |
| 21:44.57 | Beladona | meh |
| 21:44.58 | Shirik | There are definitely free alternatives |
| 21:45.00 | cogwheel | Industrial: if, as you seem to think, profit was his primary motivation, then it wouldn't exist in the first place |
| 21:45.08 | Shirik | in all honesty am I am NOT impressed by RDX 6 and I think there are addons that do far better than it |
| 21:45.21 | Shirik | RDX 6 blows KISS out of the water and hangs it from the empire state building |
| 21:45.24 | Thrae | But it's puuuuuurdy! |
| 21:45.30 | cogwheel | Industrial: then more people would come along and fill in the vacuum |
| 21:45.33 | Industrial | cogwheel: where would hte money go then? his personal income so he could support himself while writing it? |
| 21:45.33 | Shirik | It might be, but it's next to impossible to use at first |
| 21:45.45 | cogwheel | Industrial: but that's a meaningless hypothetical |
| 21:45.46 | Beladona | I obviously believe that addons should all be open. My point is that it is impossible and naive to think that they all will be |
| 21:46.00 | Industrial | cogwheel: he needs the money for something? if he doesnt then dont charge. |
| 21:46.01 | Beladona | hence me not trying to argue for or against it |
| 21:46.04 | cogwheel | and MY point is that it's naive to think they /should/ be :P |
| 21:46.10 | cogwheel | Industrial: what's it matter? |
| 21:46.16 | Beladona | its not naive |
| 21:46.20 | Beladona | its just wishful |
| 21:46.20 | Industrial | me having to pay |
| 21:46.23 | Beladona | my opinion |
| 21:46.26 | cogwheel | Industrial: you don't have to pay |
| 21:46.34 | cogwheel | no one is making you buy it |
| 21:46.52 | Beladona | but not everyone believes as I do, or they would all be open |
| 21:46.56 | cogwheel | and it wouldn't have existed otherwise if we follow your assumption that profit was his only motive |
| 21:47.13 | cogwheel | so either way you don't get it |
| 21:47.26 | Industrial | I dont see how it can't exist as something open source |
| 21:47.29 | Industrial | er, free |
| 21:47.50 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 21:47.50 | Beladona | the only way anyone can make an issue of it is if 1) they WANT to sue the addon, and 2) they don't want to have to pay for it |
| 21:47.57 | Beladona | whose fault is that |
| 21:48.00 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.06 | Industrial | i could have |
| 21:48.08 | Beladona | use* |
| 21:48.12 | cogwheel | Industrial: we're talking about one person charging for one product... |
| 21:48.12 | Industrial | it* |
| 21:48.19 | Industrial | yes, for why? |
| 21:48.23 | cogwheel | Industrial: the presence of alternatives was already covered |
| 21:49.17 | cogwheel | you are free to use an alternative, but if, as you say profit was his only motive, /Veni/ wouldn't have created /RDX/ so you wouldn't have it even if it were free because it wouldn't have been created |
| 21:49.30 | Industrial | I dont understand this whole profit thing... don't you do this for fun? |
| 21:49.34 | cogwheel | sure someone else could create it |
| 21:49.45 | Industrial | and i'd be happier |
| 21:49.47 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:49.56 | cogwheel | but they could do that whether he charged money or not |
| 21:50.02 | cogwheel | it's completely immaterial |
| 21:50.08 | Beladona | right |
| 21:50.08 | cogwheel | (and in fact they did :P) |
| 21:50.11 | Industrial | thats my point, so why on earth charge money for it |
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| 21:50.18 | cogwheel | Industrial: why not? |
| 21:50.18 | Beladona | because he can? |
| 21:50.24 | Beladona | and because people buy it? |
| 21:50.29 | cogwheel | wouldn't you like to get paid for doing what you enjoy? |
| 21:51.00 | Industrial | I see it as putting a fence around it and denying it to everyone except a few |
| 21:51.11 | foxlit | His right to do so |
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| 21:51.19 | Industrial | my loss if he does |
| 21:51.20 | cogwheel | Industrial: like i said... the alternative is him not creating it in the first place |
| 21:51.27 | cogwheel | so it's your loss either way |
| 21:51.34 | Beladona | ok think about this: |
| 21:51.34 | Industrial | yes, and it sucks. |
| 21:51.43 | foxlit | Industrial: you are not in the picture. |
| 21:52.19 | Beladona | how many times have you had an addon hit big, and as a result the bug reports / requests for features poured in |
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| 21:52.38 | Beladona | to the point where it was still kind of fun, but you started coding for other people, not you |
| 21:52.45 | Industrial | 0 :P |
| 21:52.47 | Industrial | I wouldnt. ever |
| 21:52.51 | Beladona | by charging, he keeps his audience smaller |
| 21:52.59 | Beladona | and more focused |
| 21:53.06 | Industrial | so hes incapable of leading his addon? |
| 21:53.20 | Beladona | no, he just manages it differently |
| 21:53.26 | Beladona | there isn't only ONE way to do things you know |
| 21:53.44 | cladhaire | To add more controversy to the mix |
| 21:53.54 | cogwheel | \o/ |
| 21:54.12 | Beladona | I heard cladhaire is a dirty tramp <insert controversy here> |
| 21:54.19 | Industrial | hhe |
| 21:55.00 | cladhaire | I'd like to point out that I'm uncomfortable with Relegation and the current way things are being handled. I can't specifically speak to anything right now, but I think you are doing more potential harm by hashing and trying to keep things "secret" than you are doing good, considering how many damn spam catching addons there are. |
| 21:55.02 | Beladona | this is cutting into my lego star wars time |
| 21:55.33 | Beladona | the only thing that worries me is the fact that the messages are "secret" |
| 21:56.04 | cogwheel | Industrial: to expand on foxlit's comment, you have just as much right to decide what major I choose in college as to decide what addons I should write. If the opportunity for profit weren't present, you wouldn't even have known what you were missing. It's plain, simple envy. |
| 21:56.04 | cladhaire | 1.) Your addon already doesn't work very well, 1/4 of all messages caught is not very good.. considering there are better alternatives. 2.) You dont' use any heuristics, you just simply hash the message, which guarantees that you will have false positives reporting people. This is a bad thing. 3.) I'm not sure automatic reporting is the best idea either way. |
| 21:57.33 | cladhaire | I would request that you please drop the SHA "gimmick" and please submit a real version of the addon to wowinterface. Its great that you re-implemented something Maldavia implemented quite some time ago, but its not an appropriate use, whatsoever. |
| 21:58.02 | cogwheel | since you'll never get the best of both worlds (unless human nature somehow changes), wouldn't you rather choose the evil where at least every transaction is voluntary? |
| 21:58.45 | batrick | i sense a tremor in the force |
| 21:58.49 | Polarina | cladhaire: 1/4 of all messages caugh is not very good. What do you mean? |
| 21:59.01 | cladhaire | I used it on my server |
| 21:59.05 | cladhaire | it caught less than 1/4 of the gold spam |
| 21:59.12 | cladhaire | heuristics > your gimmicks |
| 21:59.24 | cladhaire | regardless, I'm asking that you please upload a correct version of the addon |
| 21:59.33 | Polarina | cladhaire: I'm from EU and no one in US has sent me a file containing the advertisements in US. |
| 21:59.34 | cladhaire | I'm not comfortable with the grief your addon can potentially cause Blizzard and other players |
| 21:59.41 | cladhaire | Polarina: grats! I play on the EU too |
| 21:59.52 | cogwheel | TBH, i've often wondered what sort of addons would exist if people were more comfortable with charging/paying for addons... |
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| 22:00.11 | Industrial | cogwheel: I dont think I'm missing out on anything by not charging for my addon's. A person with the intellect to write addons doesnt NEED addon's for money, because if money was the goal he could have done other things that would make him far richer. |
| 22:00.14 | Beladona | we aren't going to force you to do anything, but we ARE trying to get you to see the potential harm that could be caused by what you have written |
| 22:00.15 | cladhaire | 1.) Automatic reporting is bad enough, its meant to be an interactive process.. Thats WHY it asks you for confirmation.. so innocent people aren't being reported. |
| 22:00.20 | Polarina | cladhaire: Nevermind that. The thing is, I can't catch all the advertisements by myself. I have other things, and even better things to do. |
| 22:00.31 | Industrial | cogwheel: the only thing I'm missing out on is his addon, because I'm not paying for it |
| 22:00.32 | cladhaire | I'm not forcing you to do anythign, because I can't, otherwise I would. |
| 22:00.33 | cladhaire | I'ma sking |
| 22:00.37 | cogwheel | Industrial: everything in that statement was perfectly irrelevant |
| 22:00.39 | cladhaire | Polarina: grats, please read the main point of my statement |
| 22:00.49 | Corrodias | actually, i easily catch all gold advertisements |
| 22:00.51 | cladhaire | This hash gimmick has got to go |
| 22:00.55 | Corrodias | they ONLY happen when i'm standing by the orgrimmar bank |
| 22:00.56 | Polarina | cladhaire: Yes, I'm doing that. I can't comment on everything at the same time. |
| 22:01.01 | Corrodias | somebody /says something, i right click and report it |
| 22:01.05 | Polarina | cladhaire: I will consider removing the hashing thing. |
| 22:01.07 | Industrial | cogwheel: I can't get his addon, thats not relevant? |
| 22:01.09 | cladhaire | you're PURPOSELY increasing the chance of a collision, with false positives |
| 22:01.15 | cladhaire | that goes AGAINST the purpose of your addon |
| 22:01.17 | Polarina | cladhaire: And I have considered it. I'm removing it. :) |
| 22:01.22 | cladhaire | thank you |
| 22:01.26 | Beladona | if you absolutely MUST use hashes, for whatever reason, do it in a way that can be reversed |
| 22:01.29 | cladhaire | honestly, a rot13 would be sufficient |
| 22:01.35 | cladhaire | so you don't have posted gold ads somewhere |
| 22:01.37 | Beladona | there is no reason to have non-reversible hashes |
| 22:01.39 | cladhaire | a plight to which I'm sensitive |
| 22:01.46 | cladhaire | because rot13 can't have collisions :P |
| 22:01.56 | Polarina | cladhaire: Sorry for all the inconvience. Was there anything else? |
| 22:02.00 | cladhaire | Polarina: thanks, appreciate the consideration |
| 22:02.04 | Shirik | lol, rot13 |
| 22:02.06 | cladhaire | yeah :P make the addon catch all my spam kpls! |
| 22:02.14 | cogwheel | "I dont think I'm missing out on anything by not charging for my addon's" <--- Good for you. "A person with the intellect to write addons doesnt NEED addon's for money, " <---- so? Why must need be a prerequisite for making money? "because if money was the goal he could have done other things that would make him far richer." <---- so? is it not his choice? |
| 22:02.15 | Polarina | cladhaire: I can only do that with your help. |
| 22:02.19 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13 |
| 22:02.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 22:02.22 | cladhaire | will do |
| 22:02.22 | Beladona | can it auto-report people names cladhaire? just because? |
| 22:02.28 | cladhaire | ~rot13 Shirik is a monkey nuts |
| 22:02.28 | purl | Fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | I know what rot13 is >< |
| 22:02.41 | cladhaire | yes.. so? |
| 22:02.43 | Shirik | However double rot13 is more secure |
| 22:02.53 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 22:02.56 | Polarina | And how do I reverse it? |
| 22:02.56 | cladhaire | twice the rotation! |
| 22:02.56 | Shirik | Let me see if I can find the paper on that |
| 22:02.57 | foxlit | I head quad rot13 > des |
| 22:03.11 | Industrial | cogwheel: what are you talking about here? I'm saying that it's a bad decision and it's his fault that I cant get the addon. |
| 22:03.13 | foxlit | s/ead/ear/ |
| 22:03.16 | cladhaire | Polarina: rot13 just means rotate the alphabet by 13 characters, |
| 22:03.17 | Beladona | I think we have multiple convo's going here and getting mixed up |
| 22:03.24 | cladhaire | ~rot13 Fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf |
| 22:03.24 | purl | Shirik is a monkey nuts |
| 22:03.25 | Polarina | cladhaire: Ah.. |
| 22:03.35 | cladhaire | Polarina: enough to make it not readable |
| 22:03.39 | cladhaire | which is your goal |
| 22:03.44 | Polarina | cladhaire: Thanks. |
| 22:03.45 | cladhaire | but no collisions :P |
| 22:03.46 | cladhaire | np |
| 22:03.48 | Iriel | Actually there's a good argument FOR hashes, which is one of size |
| 22:03.52 | Iriel | I'm not sure it applies here |
| 22:03.54 | cladhaire | put the rot13 function on the wiki |
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| 22:03.56 | cogwheel | Industrial: so he's not free to make bad decisions? |
| 22:03.58 | Beladona | yeah, thats the reason I would see for it |
| 22:04.00 | Polarina | cladhaire: That is just something that didn't flow in my head when I first designed the addon. |
| 22:04.03 | cladhaire | yay for user defined functions |
| 22:04.11 | cladhaire | Polarina: Understood, its tough to see the big picture when you're focused on something. |
| 22:04.14 | Industrial | cogwheel: and that any time money is brought into the game I can't be a part of it. |
| 22:04.22 | cladhaire | Polarina: I'm just concerned for Blizzard, and the users being falsely reported. |
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| 22:04.28 | Industrial | cogwheel: yes he is, I don't understand your point |
| 22:04.32 | cogwheel | Industrial: and that's his fault, how? |
| 22:04.43 | Polarina | cladhaire: I will start to work on this now. :) |
| 22:04.46 | Beladona | the money for addons thing is opinion, and always will be |
| 22:04.52 | Beladona | not sure it should be argued |
| 22:05.00 | cogwheel | Industrial: you're horribly contradicting yourself :| |
| 22:05.06 | cladhaire | I have an odd perspective on the $$ thing. |
| 22:05.12 | Corrodias | i don't think industrial and cogwheel are actually disagreeing about anything, if i can understand what's going on here |
| 22:05.29 | Iriel | My feeling on the $$ thing is 'charge for your time and effort sure, but dont get too upset if someone clones your addon' |
| 22:05.42 | Iriel | and you better not ask the community for help |
| 22:05.44 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:05.47 | Beladona | yup |
| 22:05.47 | cladhaire | aye |
| 22:05.55 | Corrodias | one's saying he doesn't want to buy it and the other's saying the author has a right to charge for it, which are not exclusive possibilities |
| 22:06.05 | sioraiocht | polarina, just curious |
| 22:06.08 | sioraiocht | are you a guy or a girl? |
| 22:06.12 | cogwheel | Corrodias: no, Industrial is also saying he's wrong for charging for it |
| 22:06.20 | cladhaire | are there ANY girls here right now? |
| 22:06.22 | cladhaire | or are they all idle |
| 22:06.27 | Polarina | sioraiocht: Girl. |
| 22:06.30 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 22:06.33 | cladhaire | ~girlontheinternet |
| 22:06.35 | Iriel | I think the approach of 'I'll consider bug reports and feature requests from those who support me only' quite reasonable. |
| 22:06.38 | cladhaire | =( |
| 22:06.38 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 22:06.43 | Polarina | cladhaire: Try ~irc |
| 22:06.48 | Corrodias | oh, well, ethics/morality, that's rather impossible to argue |
| 22:06.49 | Beladona | charnging doesn't hurt anyone |
| 22:06.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:06.56 | cladhaire | ~irc |
| 22:06.57 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 22:06.59 | cladhaire | I love that quote |
| 22:07.06 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 22:08.00 | Corrodias | i am the ethical dictator, and i dictate that charging for an addon is not generous, but it is no different from any software developer who charges for their goods |
| 22:08.13 | cladhaire | Iriel: :P |
| 22:08.22 | Polarina | cladhaire: But I will only implement the rot13 thing if you promise me one thing. That is to not attempt to reverse the text and publish them on a pastebin. |
| 22:08.36 | cladhaire | Polarina: I want gold spam to be gone as much as you do, I promise. |
| 22:08.43 | Beladona | that feature alone has been making me seriously consider a mac |
| 22:08.47 | cladhaire | Also, I don't think anyone here would ever be tempted to |
| 22:08.58 | cladhaire | Iriel: I've been frustrated with Time Machine after using version control systems for so long |
| 22:09.07 | cladhaire | there's no way for me to diff between versions |
| 22:09.10 | Iriel | Hang on, is that the rationale for the hashes? so the spammers dont decode your messages? |
| 22:09.11 | cladhaire | I have to know what file and folder I'm looking for |
| 22:09.12 | Beladona | windows home server copied the idea |
| 22:09.19 | Iriel | cladhaire: Can't you just diff the backup folder? |
| 22:09.30 | foxlit | To be honest, though, hashing is dead from the get-go |
| 22:09.31 | Iriel | cladhaire: I thought the on-disk representation was super straightforward |
| 22:09.31 | cladhaire | Iriel: I think so, but I should be able to do that in the TM interface |
| 22:09.40 | Iriel | cladhaire: Ah.. right |
| 22:09.42 | cladhaire | Iriel: yes, so she isn't distributing the spam messages in plaintext |
| 22:09.45 | cladhaire | on an svn, on wowi, etc. |
| 22:09.50 | foxlit | It's too easy to imperceptibly vary a message rendering the entire hash dead. |
| 22:09.50 | cladhaire | that was the rationale. |
| 22:10.05 | Iriel | cladhaire: I do like that when you drill down into a folder it only shows the versions that have differences for that folder. |
| 22:10.09 | foxlit | "Buy goldz now" and "Buy goldz now" are more or less identical message-wise |
| 22:10.17 | cladhaire | Iriel: yeah, that is nice |
| 22:10.19 | Beladona | thats why you need heuristics |
| 22:10.19 | Iriel | In that case I think the rot13 isn't going to be a winner. |
| 22:10.27 | cladhaire | foxlit: not when you strip it |
| 22:10.29 | Iriel | I think hashes ARE, unfortunately, the way to go. |
| 22:10.40 | cladhaire | Iriel: but the spammers already KNOW the spam messages |
| 22:10.44 | cladhaire | how does knowing them make a difference? |
| 22:10.58 | Beladona | there is another issue here |
| 22:10.58 | Iriel | True, they just send their spam through the addon and see what hits. |
| 22:11.04 | cladhaire | they don't need to use the addon |
| 22:11.07 | Iriel | so I retract my comment 8-) |
| 22:11.08 | cladhaire | its sha of a stripped string |
| 22:11.11 | foxlit | Well, you could lowercase it, remove punctuation and spacing, but I can still vary a message in a billion different ways while saying "buy our goldz" |
| 22:11.17 | Beladona | if teh hash isn't reversible, how do we know it SHOULD be reported |
| 22:11.33 | Iriel | Anyone written a bayesian spam filter for wow yet? |
| 22:11.34 | Beladona | whats to stop someone from creating an addon that uses hashes, that we can't interpret, that are malicious |
| 22:11.57 | Corrodias | is gold spam a problem any more outside people using /say around mailboxes? |
| 22:12.02 | cladhaire | My point was simply this: Hashing in any way enhances the chance for collisions and false reporting. Since the addon sends reports to Blizzard.. I consider this a bad thing for them, and for the users being falsely reported. |
| 22:12.06 | Iriel | Beladona: I agree that's an issue, and I dont think auto-reporting is something we should do.. Auto quarantine with very easy reporting, yes, auto reporting, never |
| 22:12.06 | foxlit | Beladona: no such thing as "malcious" hashes |
| 22:12.18 | Iriel | auto reporting is going to get the API locked down faster than you can say 'oh crap, CSR overload' |
| 22:12.20 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""; for c = 1, #s do local thisChar = s:substr(c, 1):byte(); local encryptedChar = thisChar+13; if (thisChar >= 78 and thisChar <= 90) or (thisChar >= 110 and thisChar <= 122) then encryptedChar = encryptedChar - 26; end encrypted = encrypted..string.char(encryptedChar); end end |
| 22:12.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 22:12.22 | cladhaire | That's why I suggested, if you don't want the text to be available, to do somethign stupidly simple like rot13. |
| 22:12.23 | foxlit | (spelling error is mine :) |
| 22:12.24 | Beladona | I didn't say malicious hashes |
| 22:12.24 | Shirik | totally untested. |
| 22:12.27 | Beladona | or didn't mean it |
| 22:12.31 | cladhaire | Iriel: I happen to agree with you :P |
| 22:12.41 | cladhaire | lua> SV.rot13("Shirik is a monkey's nut") |
| 22:12.41 | lua_bot | cladhaire: [string "SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""..."]:1: attempt to call method 'substr' (a nil value) |
| 22:12.43 | Polarina | Iriel: I doubt so if the reports are all genuine. (This, me using rot13) |
| 22:12.53 | foxlit | Beladona: ... hashes ... that are malicious |
| 22:13.00 | Shirik | oops |
| 22:13.01 | Shirik | wrong language |
| 22:13.04 | Beladona | the last thing anyone wants is to download an addon, and have everyone get reported when they say the word "lol" |
| 22:13.07 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:13.27 | Iriel | Or when they say 'WTF, some idiot just asked me if I want to buy gold' |
| 22:13.30 | Beladona | foxlit: that wasn't the meaning I was trying to convey, and you know it |
| 22:13.36 | cladhaire | Okay I promised myself that I would be logging off at 10, reading a book and going to sleep, so I'm going to do that now. |
| 22:13.37 | Iriel | and the addon picks up on the last 4 words and reports them |
| 22:13.37 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""; for c = 1, #s do local thisChar = s:sub(c, 1):byte(); local encryptedChar = thisChar+13; if (thisChar >= 78 and thisChar <= 90) or (thisChar >= 110 and thisChar <= 122) then encryptedChar = encryptedChar - 26; end encrypted = encrypted..string.char(encryptedChar); end end |
| 22:13.37 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 22:13.45 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13("Fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf") |
| 22:13.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: [string "SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'thisChar' (a nil value) |
| 22:13.48 | Shirik | grrr |
| 22:13.50 | Shirik | I'll test this more |
| 22:14.04 | cladhaire | Iriel: The current method Polarina uses (without hashing) matches the entire message against a stored known message.. Easy to get around, yeah, but still extremely effective. |
| 22:14.36 | foxlit | Beladona: quite possibly, but that's not what I read at the time. |
| 22:14.36 | cladhaire | I can't say I agree with teh auto-reporting.. I think they should be, as you said, quarantined so you can verify and report later.. but at least without the hashes there aren't false positives. |
| 22:14.40 | Beladona | the best solution in my mind at that point is to provide the end-user with a box that says "do you want to report <someuser> for saying "catch phrase that violates our rules" |
| 22:14.51 | batrick | shirik you really should use modular arithmetic |
| 22:15.26 | Shirik | I could have but it's a bit of a pain to get that to work with the ascii table too because it's not 0-25 |
| 22:15.32 | Shirik | it's like 63-90? |
| 22:15.35 | Shirik | something like that |
| 22:15.46 | Iriel | Printable ASCII is 32-126 |
| 22:15.53 | Shirik | I meant letters |
| 22:15.57 | Iriel | your problem is going to be unicode |
| 22:16.09 | Shirik | meh |
| 22:16.10 | cladhaire | unicode is stripped |
| 22:16.12 | Iriel | rot13 will fail horribly once you get accents in there and UTF-8 shows up |
| 22:16.49 | cladhaire | return (str:gsub("[^a-zA-Z0-9]", ""):lower()) |
| 22:16.56 | cladhaire | that's whats being used, and why that's not a problem |
| 22:17.05 | cladhaire | what is a problem, is when they start using only accented characters :P |
| 22:17.17 | Iriel | or when they randomly mix those and ascii |
| 22:17.21 | batrick | it'd be easier to make a lookup table and use string.gsub(str, "%a", look) |
| 22:17.23 | cladhaire | yep |
| 22:17.38 | batrick | you can keep the accented chars that way |
| 22:17.45 | batrick | and still maintain unreadability |
| 22:18.13 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""; for c = 1, #s do local thisChar = s:sub(c, c):byte(); local encryptedChar = thisChar+13; if (thisChar >= 78 and thisChar <= 90) or (thisChar >= 110 and thisChar <= 122) then encryptedChar = encryptedChar - 26; end encrypted = encrypted..string.char(encryptedChar); end end |
| 22:18.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 22:18.22 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13("Fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf") |
| 22:18.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 22:18.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:18.35 | Iriel | lua> type(SV) |
| 22:18.35 | lua_bot | Iriel: table, |
| 22:18.38 | batrick | ~lart shirik |
| 22:18.38 | purl | puts shirik through a wood chipper |
| 22:18.39 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13 = function(s) local encrypted = ""; for c = 1, #s do local thisChar = s:sub(c, c):byte(); local encryptedChar = thisChar+13; if (thisChar >= 78 and thisChar <= 90) or (thisChar >= 110 and thisChar <= 122) then encryptedChar = encryptedChar - 26; end encrypted = encrypted..string.char(encryptedChar); end return encrypted; end |
| 22:18.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 22:18.41 | Iriel | lua> next(SV) |
| 22:18.41 | lua_bot | Iriel: GetRandomArgument, function: 0x8093710, |
| 22:18.52 | Shirik | lua> SV.rot13("Fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf") |
| 22:18.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik-is-a-monkey-nuts, |
| 22:18.59 | Shirik | where the hell did the dash come from?! |
| 22:19.00 | Shirik | *(@#% |
| 22:19.01 | batrick | nice |
| 22:19.12 | Shirik | close enough |
| 22:19.13 | Shirik | I give up for now |
| 22:19.30 | foxlit | Meh |
| 22:21.33 | batrick | just use a lookup table polarina |
| 22:21.36 | batrick | and string.gsub |
| 22:21.52 | Polarina | batrick: Shh.. |
| 22:21.56 | batrick | it'll be much faster |
| 22:21.57 | batrick | :P |
| 22:26.01 | foxlit | lua> local t, c = {}, string.char; for i=0, 25 do t[c(65+i)], t[c(97+i)] = c(90-i), c(122-i); end SV.r13 = t; |
| 22:26.01 | lua_bot | foxlit: |
| 22:26.19 | Polarina | I got a much better implementation. |
| 22:26.53 | foxlit | SV.ro13 = function(text) return text:gsub("([a-zA-Z])",SV.r13); end |
| 22:27.09 | foxlit | lua> SV.ro13 = function(text) return text:gsub("([a-zA-Z])",SV.r13); end |
| 22:27.09 | lua_bot | foxlit: |
| 22:27.18 | foxlit | lua> SV.ro13("Hello"); |
| 22:27.18 | lua_bot | foxlit: Svool, 5, |
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| 22:27.48 | Polarina | foxlit: Svool! :D |
| 22:36.00 | Polarina | lua> function Rot13(str) str:gsub("%a" function (chr) local A = string.byte("a") return string.char((string.byte(chr) - A + 13) % 26 + a) end) end print(Rot13("fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf")) |
| 22:36.00 | lua_bot | Polarina: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "function Rot13(str) str:gsub("%a" function (chr) local A = stri..."]:1: ')' expected near 'function' |
| 22:36.28 | Polarina | lua> function Rot13(str) str:gsub("%a", function (chr) local A = string.byte("a") return string.char((string.byte(chr) - A + 13) % 26 + a) end) end print(Rot13("fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf")) |
| 22:36.28 | lua_bot | Polarina: [string "function Rot13(str) str:gsub("%a", function..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'a' (a nil value) |
| 22:36.46 | Polarina | Ups. |
| 22:36.56 | Polarina | lua> function Rot13(str) str:gsub("%a", function (chr) local A = string.byte("a") return string.char((string.byte(chr) - A + 13) % 26 + A) end) end print(Rot13("fuvevx vf n zbaxrl ahgf")) |
| 22:36.57 | lua_bot | Polarina: |
| 22:37.04 | Polarina | lua_bot: Grr... |
| 22:37.06 | Cide | spam another channel |
| 22:37.23 | Polarina | Cide: Will do. |
| 22:37.28 | Cide | thanks |
| 22:38.10 | foxlit | Anyway, table lookup is faster than doing the calculation for each letter |
| 22:38.31 | foxlit | The best you could probably do is use a metatable to compute the value once its needed |
| 22:39.08 | Polarina | I got it working. :D |
| 22:39.16 | Iriel | invoking string.byte("a") for each call, and not localizing string.byte in the first place is going to make it much slower than it needs to be |
| 22:39.26 | Polarina | Iriel: ? |
| 22:40.05 | Iriel | every invocation has to resolve string, then byte inside string, then call that for a constant value (which could've been computed once before defining the function and kept as an upvalue) |
| 22:40.20 | Polarina | Iriel: Upvalue? |
| 22:40.42 | Iriel | Polarina: An upvalue is a value that has local scope in the block which defines a function, and is 'captured' for use by the function |
| 22:40.42 | Iriel | e.g. |
| 22:40.53 | Polarina | Iriel: Let me fix that. |
| 22:41.13 | Iriel | local A = string.byte("a") function Rot13(str) blah blah function (chr) blah blah A blah blah end end |
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| 22:41.35 | foxlit | hardcode the numeric constant, tbh |
| 22:41.38 | foxlit | upvalues cost you too |
| 22:41.45 | Polarina | Iriel: http://rafb.net/p/p5cG7V15.html |
| 22:41.49 | Iriel | foxlit: not much |
| 22:41.53 | foxlit | Not like ASCII is going to change all of a sudden |
| 22:41.54 | Cide | string.byte("a") is just 97 |
| 22:42.20 | cogwheel | foxlit: remember y2k? |
| 22:42.25 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:42.29 | Polarina | Cide: The numerical representation of the character "a" is not neccesarily the same across platform. |
| 22:42.33 | Iriel | Polarina: Now do the same for string.byte and string.char (local strbyte = string.byte; local strchar = string.char) |
| 22:42.36 | cogwheel | i'd rather encourage people to program safely ;) |
| 22:42.36 | Cide | yes it is |
| 22:42.45 | Polarina | Iriel: No thanks. :) |
| 22:42.56 | Taeri | I feel like reformating my computer. |
| 22:42.57 | foxlit | Polarina: And what makes you think you can rot-13 like that if A is not 65? |
| 22:43.00 | foxlit | maybe 66 is C |
| 22:43.15 | Polarina | foxlit: My addon doesn't need to rot13 uppercase character. |
| 22:43.33 | foxlit | Same objection is valid for lowercase |
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| 22:43.52 | Polarina | foxlit: Then I don't get it. |
| 22:44.16 | foxlit | kael, ~10m brb |
| 22:45.08 | Iriel | Why dont you pre-subtract 13 from 'A' and avoid another operation? |
| 22:45.10 | Polarina | clad|sleep: I'll upload the fixed version tomorrow. |
| 22:45.21 | Iriel | Not that efficiently seems to be a concern since you didn't want to avoid the unnecessary function lookups |
| 22:45.23 | clad|sleep | thank you! |
| 22:45.39 | Iriel | i.e. local Asub = A + 13; outside |
| 22:45.49 | Polarina | Iriel: I can see that. |
| 22:46.02 | Polarina | Iriel: Fixed. |
| 22:46.14 | Iriel | localizing string.byte will likely save you more runtime than removing a +13 tho |
| 22:46.27 | Iriel | obviously ytou should test it to convince yourself tho |
| 22:46.33 | Polarina | Iriel: I'll keep that in mind, thank you. |
| 22:46.40 | batrick | lua> return SV.ro13("zHelloa") |
| 22:46.41 | lua_bot | batrick: aSvoolz, 7 |
| 22:46.52 | Polarina | Iriel: I tested it on my Sha256 implementation, I saw no apperant difference. |
| 22:47.03 | batrick | think u messed up fox |
| 22:47.20 | Iriel | Polarina: I find that very very surprising, i'd be interested to see your test |
| 22:47.49 | Iriel | (assuming that there isn't one such function call for a million other operations) |
| 22:50.37 | Polarina | Iriel: 1024 Sha256 calculations per second, and 1024 Sha256 calculations per second with global variable "bit" aliased as a local. |
| 22:50.51 | Polarina | Iriel: And I call bit blenty of times in each calculation. |
| 22:51.04 | Iriel | Polarina: Can you upload your test file? |
| 22:51.23 | Polarina | Iriel: I just tested it in-game using CLI. |
| 22:51.33 | Polarina | Iriel: /run <some code> |
| 22:51.45 | Iriel | Yes, but I dont have your code, I'm asking for your code. |
| 22:52.32 | foxlit | Polarina: Cide: The numerical representation of the character "a" is not neccesarily the same across platform. |
| 22:52.50 | foxlit | (a) Yes it is; (b) If it's not, there's no guarantee b will follow a in that other representation |
| 22:55.07 | batrick | -->local c=string.char look = {} for i=0,25 do look[c(97+i)], look[c(65+i)]=c(97+(13+i)%26),c(65+(13+i)%26) end |
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| 22:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: In that "help with installing addons" thread, I could have sworn you were Iriel, until this clone of Iriel popped up and said "surprise cog! I do!" |
| 22:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | These new MVPs are confusing. -.- |
| 22:55.43 | batrick | --> rot13 = function(str) return (string.gsub(str, "%a", look)) end return rot13("abcxyz") |
| 22:55.43 | batbot | batrick: > nopklm |
| 22:55.45 | cogwheel | XD |
| 22:55.50 | Cide | aye. I keep thinking Iriel posts a lot more these days |
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| 22:56.06 | sior|sleep | still on rot13 are we? |
| 22:56.13 | batrick | i just finished :P |
| 22:56.14 | Iriel | Cide: 8-) |
| 22:56.22 | Iriel | I have been posting more than usual too |
| 22:56.22 | batrick | fox had it wrong so i redid it |
| 22:56.31 | foxlit | I had it wrong? :) |
| 22:56.35 | sior|sleep | i still don't understand the need for all this |
| 22:56.37 | batrick | ya :P |
| 22:56.40 | Iriel | though not up to my old levels (largely because the other folks beat me to the easy ones) |
| 22:56.45 | foxlit | why/how? :) |
| 22:56.49 | batrick | lua> SV.ro13("abcxyz") |
| 22:56.50 | lua_bot | batrick: zyxcba, 6, |
| 22:56.56 | sior|sleep | also, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a spam filter in game, now? |
| 22:57.00 | Iriel | (and most of the not easy ones) |
| 22:57.06 | batrick | all you did was make the alphabet backwards :P |
| 22:57.12 | Cide | spam as in "a\na\na\na\na\na" |
| 22:57.21 | foxlit | Ah, I implemented another substitution :) |
| 22:57.26 | Cide | not as in "BUY GOLD NOW" |
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| 23:06.18 | Polarina | Iriel: Here's the code: http://rafb.net/p/1RGi2o65.html |
| 23:07.19 | Polarina | Good night everyone. |
| 23:07.54 | Thunder_Child | night Polarina |
| 23:08.19 | Cide | you probably want to precompute 2^32 |
| 23:08.48 | Polarina | Cide: The lua compiler optimises that. |
| 23:08.54 | Cide | really. |
| 23:09.05 | Polarina | Cide: Yes, really. |
| 23:09.10 | Polarina | Cide: Check for yourself. |
| 23:11.32 | Cide | yep |
| 23:11.57 | Cide | probably would make sense to store it as a constant anyway though |
| 23:12.07 | Cide | oh, he left |
| 23:12.28 | Iriel | I'm sceptical too, but i'm going to test it |
| 23:12.53 | Cide | I did; roughly the same time over 10^6 iterations (assigning a local to the value of 2^32 vs the precomputed value) |
| 23:13.39 | cogwheel | it does |
| 23:13.53 | Iriel | Indeed, it does |
| 23:13.56 | Iriel | I checked the bytecode |
| 23:14.05 | cogwheel | same |
| 23:14.46 | Iriel | I can make this code a lot faster tho, I'm sure, by making those bitlib functions local |
| 23:14.59 | batrick | lua compiler does constant folding |
| 23:15.00 | Iriel | if all she did was make 'bit' local that'd not help all that much |
| 23:15.06 | batrick | it's one of the few optimizations it does do |
| 23:15.24 | cogwheel | (for the curious) "local x = 2^32" outputs |
| 23:15.26 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.27 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.41 | MentalPower | yeah, the Lua compiler pre-computes constant math expressions |
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| 23:40.42 | Thunder_Child | can something be clickthrough and still have a tooltip when hovered over? |
| 23:43.01 | Iriel | It /could/ but you may have to do entry/exit detection yourself |
| 23:43.20 | Iriel | Damn it, why wont bitlib compile properly on OSX (it compiles but then the tests fail) |
| 23:45.12 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
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| 23:55.18 | Thunder_Child | huh...i wonder why mailbox isnt on the tracking list |
| 23:55.47 | cogwheel | is the AH or bank? |
| 23:56.00 | Thunder_Child | yes, but you can find them in other places |
| 23:56.45 | MentalPower | prolly cause they aren't NPCs |
| 23:56.59 | MentalPower | everything else is an NPC, mailboxes are not |
| 23:57.35 | Thunder_Child | true, though i dont think it would be that hard to add it for tracking |
| 23:57.42 | Thunder_Child | guards used to pint it out |
| 23:57.43 | MentalPower | the key evidence there is the fact that you have three pings for the AH in IF instead of just one |
| 23:57.45 | Thunder_Child | point* |
| 23:57.58 | MentalPower | right, but I think that uses a different API |
| 23:58.47 | MentalPower | the guards is just a map location, like a waypoint. the tracking system is the location of a (potentially) moving object |
| 23:59.14 | MentalPower | think of it as an extension to the hunter skills, not as an extension to the guard functionality |
| 23:59.17 | Thunder_Child | but it would be even easier to add the mailboxes then since they dont move |
| 23:59.29 | MentalPower | no, because they are not NPCs |
| 23:59.30 | cogwheel | things like books and crates for quests have exclamation marks now... |
| 23:59.41 | MentalPower | oh do they? |
| 23:59.43 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 23:59.46 | MentalPower | nm me then |
| 23:59.56 | cogwheel | u got it! |
| 23:59.58 | cogwheel | :P |
