IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20080102

`00:02.59`	`bleeter`	`if I were to make a large non-sequitur, i'd suggest the armory crapped out due to year rollover`
`00:04.42`	`zenzelezz`	`was happening before midnight yesterday too`
`00:05.11`	`zenzelezz`	`EU armory was acting up a bit ago, wouldn't update unless you changed some equipment and logged out using the "Log out" menu item`
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`00:06.20`	`zenzelezz`	`it even had some duplicate entries for a while`
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`00:19.51`	`bleeter`	`fun fun`
`00:23.44`	`Rayne`	`god I cant wait to have my own site for my UIs`
`00:23.58`	`Rayne`	`im so sick of people emailing me that they downvoted my UI cause they couldnt install it right.`
`00:24.40`	`haste`	`how will a site help you solve this?`
`00:24.57`	`Rayne`	`Helps me deal with less assholes.`
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`00:27.10`	`Fisker-`	`eu armory is still acting up`
`00:27.14`	`Fisker-`	`and have been for some time :O`
`00:27.22`	`zenzelezz`	`!c eu silvermoon zenzio`
`00:27.24`	`ThraeBot`	`zenzelezz: Zenzio, Level 70 Human Warrior (11/0/50). 14444 HP; 17371 Armour; 708 AP; 132.600 Melee DPS; 7.68% melee crit; 18 melee hit; 356 defense; 24.37% dodge; 32.15% block;[[ TBR: 730 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuqa65 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q3xb4 ][ Updated: Tue Jan 1 19:32:16 2008 EST ]]`
`00:27.36`	`zenzelezz`	`not completely at least`
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`00:29.15`	`\|pez\|`	`I used to be on Silvermoon. :o`
`00:29.54`	`Rayne`	`19 badges off the badge tanking legs...`
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`00:32.58`	`zenzelezz`	`that's about on Kara cleare`
`00:32.59`	`zenzelezz`	`.e`
`00:33.04`	`zenzelezz`	`-. +-`
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`00:44.16`	`bleeter`	`oO fixme:ntdll:find_reg_tz_info Can't find matching timezone information in the registry for bias -600, std (d/m/y): 6/04/2008, dlt (d/m/y): 5/10/2008`
`00:45.10`	`kd3`	`oops`
`00:46.15`	`bleeter`	`kd3: must be the keyloggers in the Wine code causing that ;)`
`00:46.21`	`kd3`	`lol`
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`01:14.56`	`Corrodias`	`ah yes, the wine keyloggers`
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`01:48.40`	`esteth`	`Is there a way to find the party leader? I can iterate through a raid and check GetRaidRosterInfo, but i can't find anything for parties`
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`01:49.32`	`Cide`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API`
`01:49.37`	`Cide`	`ctrl-f party leader`
`01:49.40`	`Cide`	`profit`
`01:50.15`	`esteth`	`Very sorry. I thought i did that, but must have searched group leader instead :(`
`01:51.12`	`Corrodias`	`i wish enabling CPU profiling didn't make you reload your UI`
`01:51.15`	`Corrodias`	`mine takes over a minute`
`01:51.41`	`zenzelezz`	`one minute normal load time or only when using CPU profiling?`
`01:52.00`	`Corrodias`	`when in a raid, it's like a minute and a half to load it when disabling it`
`01:52.30`	`Corrodias`	`maybe just a minute. feels longer, but probably is only the usual 65 seconds.`
`01:56.39`	`Corrodias`	`but i have to run with it on to diagnose my performance problem`
`01:57.58`	`Corrodias`	`i still wonder why itemrack and trinketmenu take so much CPU time during combat, and it's enough to make me wonder if i can find different addons that will work as well`
`01:58.22`	`Cide`	`if your reloadui is a minute, you probably want to cut down on either the number of addons or the number of libraries`
`01:59.03`	`Corrodias`	`if i could do that while not affecting my UI at all, i'd love to`
`01:59.21`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just whining a bit, sorry`
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`02:15.37`	`Corrodias`	`big surprise`
`02:15.51`	`Corrodias`	`Ace2 is what pops up to as high as 20% CPU usage during one particular check during combat`
`02:16.15`	`Corrodias`	`-that-'s useful info`
`02:16.23`	`\|pez\|`	`that's.... a lot`
`02:16.27`	`Cide`	`big surprise? hardly!`
`02:16.38`	`Corrodias`	`heheh`
`02:16.58`	`Corrodias`	`Recount takes a huge blob, but only -after- combat, to sort its data`
`02:17.02`	`Cide`	`honestly, the top cpu and memory-using addons according to FuBar_PerformanceFu are all ace addons for me`
`02:17.19`	`Cide`	`it doesn't really matter since my computer can handle it and I'm only running like 20 addons`
`02:17.26`	`Cide`	`but 20% sounds awfully excessive`
`02:17.52`	`Corrodias`	`it was only for a moment, but it could explain the excessive jerkiness i get sometimes`
`02:18.17`	`\|pez\|`	`Ohoh, I have a new RAM stick waiting for me when I get home ^___^`
`02:18.29`	`\|pez\|`	`my main problem isn't enough CPU, it's the RAM.`
`02:18.30`	`Corrodias`	`mostly, it's itemrack, omnicc, and trinketmenu`
`02:18.36`	`\|pez\|`	`... and the overheating. cough`
`02:18.50`	`zenzelezz`	`that's what you get for being hot`
`02:19.32`	`\|pez\|`	`as said a few days ago. I'm so hot, even my shower curtains want me >__>`
`02:20.48`	`\|pez\|`	`On a more real note though, sometimes, my computer is so warm it's uncomfertable to touch. And since it's a laptop, that's kinda stupid.`
`02:20.59`	`zenzelezz`	`we're still waiting for the pictures to back up the statement`
`02:20.59`	`Tuller`	`Corrodias: for omnicc: turn off the pulse :)`
`02:21.23`	`\|pez\|`	`zenzelezz: not getting any pictures of me!`
`02:21.35`	`zenzelezz`	`:(`
`02:21.35`	`\|pez\|`	`or the shower curtains for that matter.`
`02:23.22`	`Corrodias`	`pulse, eh?`
`02:23.35`	`Corrodias`	`i think it was already off`
`02:23.45`	`Cide`	`hey Tuller`
`02:23.50`	`Cide`	`you're the author of Combuctor, right?`
`02:24.11`	`Tuller`	`yep`
`02:24.21`	`Corrodias`	`but i do get a little shiny pulse when cooldowns finish, despite it being disabled`
`02:24.35`	`Tuller`	`shiny pulse being the icon, or like a flash?`
`02:24.40`	`Tuller`	`if its a flash, then its not omnicc`
`02:24.48`	`Corrodias`	`a flash. okay.`
`02:24.49`	`Tuller`	`else it is, probabably`
`02:25.00`	`Tuller`	`perhaps you're running an older version, or cooldown count`
`02:25.08`	`Tuller`	`as in Cide: yep`
`02:25.30`	`Cide`	`well first of all, nice addon. on to my issue: is there any chance you could change the 'close on escape'-code?`
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`02:25.53`	`Tuller`	`odds are, I've done so on the svn`
`02:25.54`	`Cide`	`I haven't updated in ~2 weeks, but as it is now, when you hit escape with Combuctor open, it closes the frame but also opens the main menu`
`02:25.56`	`Corrodias`	`okay, it's definitely NOT the pulse, haha`
`02:26.04`	`Corrodias`	`that looks cool, but i can see it being a cpu hog`
`02:26.17`	`Cide`	`ah, I'll try svn upping then`
`02:27.02`	`Tuller`	`its that its not actually closing properly on escape, right?`
`02:27.16`	`Cide`	`actually it does close`
`02:27.33`	`Cide`	`but the game menu opens as well`
`02:27.35`	`Tuller`	`right`
`02:27.38`	`Corrodias`	`sounds like an improper escape menu hook`
`02:27.44`	`Corrodias`	`i know i've used it once before...`
`02:27.48`	`Cide`	`you can just do`
`02:27.48`	`Tuller`	`a lack of one, actually :P`
`02:27.55`	`Cide`	`tinsert(UISpecialFrames, "CombuctorFrame")`
`02:27.59`	`Cide`	`or whatever the name of the frame is`
`02:28.03`	`Corrodias`	`if there wasn't one at all, the thing wouldn't close`
`02:28.04`	`Cide`	`and it'll close properly`
`02:28.46`	`Tuller`	`table.insert(UISpecialFrames, f:GetName())`
`02:28.59`	`Cide`	`and that doesn't work? that's strange`
`02:29.11`	`Cide`	`are you using :Show() or ShowUIPanel(f)?`
`02:29.21`	`Corrodias`	`what's showuipanel(f)?`
`02:29.24`	`Cide`	`I can't remember if it makes a difference in this case`
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`02:29.37`	`Tuller`	`it does, implemented and comitted`
`02:29.38`	`Corrodias`	`i'd look it up, but i'm in a raid`
`02:29.46`	`Cide`	`you tried it?`
`02:29.52`	`Tuller`	`yeah`
`02:29.57`	`Cide`	`and it works with ShowUIPanel?`
`02:30.31`	`Tuller`	`i'll doublecheck :P`
`02:30.40`	`Tuller`	`but it should`
`02:31.11`	`Tuller`	`Corrodias: show ui panel and hide ui panel are calls that allow managed frame positions`
`02:31.12`	`reqol`	`if I do local a = {} _,a = strsplit(del, string) does it discard the first part and then put the rest into the table?`
`02:31.26`	`Tuller`	`Cide: should be working`
`02:31.30`	`Cide`	`ah. cool`
`02:31.32`	`Cide`	`thanks :)`
`02:31.39`	`Tuller`	`Corrodias: they taint in 2.3, but not on the PTR`
`02:32.03`	`Cide`	`do they? I haven't had any issues with Show/HideUIPanel`
`02:32.35`	`Tuller`	`basically only happens if you have the spellbook open, I think`
`02:32.38`	`Tuller`	`and are in combat`
`02:32.38`	`Corrodias`	`i see`
`02:32.39`	`Cide`	`ah`
`02:36.57`	`reqol`	`well, that didn't work. is there anyway to discard the first value from strsplit? since I have to do a = { strsplit(del, str) }, I don't see how I could fit a _ in there`
`02:37.22`	`Cide`	`select(2, strsplit(...))`
`02:37.35`	`Corrodias`	`_,a = strsplit etc?`
`02:37.44`	`Cide`	`it's a table`
`02:37.50`	`Corrodias`	`then undo the tabling`
`02:37.52`	`Cide`	`{ ... } takes a list`
`02:37.59`	`Corrodias`	`then don't do {}`
`02:38.01`	`Cide`	`strsplit returns a list`
`02:38.07`	`Corrodias`	`and he only wants the second one`
`02:38.09`	`Cide`	`then you have to pass it to another function to create a table`
`02:38.13`	`Cide`	`no, he just wants to skip the first one`
`02:38.16`	`Corrodias`	`why do you want a table?`
`02:38.26`	`Cide`	`to catch all the returns?`
`02:38.28`	`reqol`	`because there are varying numbers of strings that come from it`
`02:38.34`	`reqol`	`I can't predict how many there will be, so I have to use a table`
`02:38.37`	`Corrodias`	`ah, that explains it`
`02:38.44`	`Cide`	`you don't have to`
`02:38.49`	`Corrodias`	`probably makes more sense when you know what strsplit does`
`02:39.50`	`Cide`	`>>> function listParser(_, ...) for i = 1, select('#', ...) do print((select(i, ...))) end end; listParser(strsplit("-", "a-b-c-d"))`
`02:39.50`	`Cide`	`Cide: "b", "c", "d"`
`02:40.06`	`Cide`	`no table, but all returns are caught`
`02:40.17`	`Corrodias`	`cool`
`02:40.47`	`Cide`	`if you're not storing the data, you're probably better off doing something like that to avoid creating garbage`
`02:41.46`	`reqol`	`there's probably a way better method of what I'm doing now that I think about it`
`02:44.56`	`reqol`	`./slascmd message here is what i want to intercept and place all into a separate string`
`02:45.46`	`reqol`	`I take cmd from the slash cmd, do local _,a = strsplit(" ", cmd) discard the 'message' part and take the second string, however that leaves anything after that that has a space in it out, which I don't want`
`02:46.28`	`reqol`	`maybe I could delimit "message" and just trim it`
`02:46.36`	`Cide`	`do`
`02:47.05`	`Cide`	`local a = cmd:match("^[^ ]+ (.+)$")`
`02:47.19`	`Cide`	`although I would suggest using a different variable name than "a"...`
`02:47.37`	`reqol`	`yeah`
`02:47.42`	`reqol`	`I just put in a for ease, it's something else`
`02:48.13`	`reqol`	`so, do you mind explaining exactly how that works? I'm somewhat befuddled, and curious`
`02:48.22`	`Cide`	`it's a lua pattern match`
`02:48.32`	`Cide`	`the syntax is identical to a regular expression in this case`
`02:48.55`	`Cide`	`the initial "^" matches the beginning of the string, [^ ]+ matches any number of non-space characters`
`02:49.23`	`Cide`	`the space matches the first space, and (.+) matches all characters to the end of the string ("$"), and captures them as the first return`
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`02:49.53`	`Cide`	`so in effect you skip everything up to and including the first space`
`02:50.44`	`reqol`	`ah, thanks, I appreciate it :D`
`03:02.10`	`reqol`	`does scitelua have any kind of auto complete for user defined functions/variables?`
`03:02.35`	`Cide`	`not that I know of`
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`03:02.43`	`Cide`	`you could try decoda, but I haven't tested it`
`03:03.19`	`\|pez\|`	`This might sound like a horribly weird question, but do any of you guys have diabetes type 1, and use a pump for it? :P`
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`03:12.50`	`reqol`	`how sparingly should I use OnUpdate?`
`03:15.49`	`Cide`	`um, try not to whenever possible`
`03:16.16`	`Cide`	`but if you can't think of a better solution, try to make the logic running OnUpdate as short (fast) as possible`
`03:16.26`	`Cide`	`and if you can, :Hide() the frame whenever you don't need it`
`03:16.32`	`Cide`	`that prevents OnUpdate from firing`
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`03:17.08`	`Cide`	`but really, it's not that bad unless you're doing very expensive things on every frame`
`03:18.33`	`reqol`	`I have one frame testing if 30 seconds has passed`
`03:18.48`	`reqol`	`now that you've mentioned it, I'm gonna rig it to :Show() and :Hide() at the necessary intervals`
`03:18.58`	`reqol`	`so that I don't waste the time inbetween`
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`03:50.07`	`\|pez\|`	`Thunder_Child?`
`03:50.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`that it is so dead`
`03:50.38`	`\|pez\|`	`I think I scare people away ;__;`
`03:50.47`	`\|pez\|`	`and damnit, I still need to fix a autorenamer on this thing.`
`03:51.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`na, people that stick around here have a very high tolerance for...well...anything`
`03:52.12`	`Taeri`	`Hehe`
`03:52.42`	`Taeri`	`oh well, goodnight, I need to get a couple of hours sleep before I go off driving again. :p`
`03:52.49`	`Taeri`	`let the channel live! ... while I am gone.`
`03:53.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`night Taeri`
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`04:03.26`	`reqol`	`is there a way to test if a string is a string and not a number?`
`04:03.48`	`Iriel`	`type(whatever)`
`04:03.49`	`Lonny`	`type(..)`
`04:04.24`	`reqol`	`would that work if it was a numeral string? I.E. "52"`
`04:04.43`	`Lonny`	`why not ? :)`
`04:04.51`	`Lonny`	`ah nop`
`04:05.01`	`reqol`	`how do I use the bot to test a quick line, btw`
`04:05.31`	`Lonny`	`that returns a string`
`04:05.54`	`reqol`	`essentially I need to make sure the user is entering a number and not a string, otherwise it could error`
`04:06.15`	`Lonny`	`hmm you can use regex I guess ?`
`04:06.18`	`reqol`	`I guess I could do tonumber and then check using type()`
`04:06.28`	`reqol`	`and if it's still a string, prompt them again`
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`04:08.19`	`reqol`	`>>> type("t")`
`04:08.20`	`Cide`	`reqol: "string"`
`04:10.03`	`Cide`	`>>> type("52"), tonumber(52), type(tonumber(52)), tonumber("abc"), type(tonumber("abc"))`
`04:10.04`	`Cide`	`Cide: "string", 52, "number", nil, "nil"`
`04:10.18`	`Cide`	`err, should be tonumber("52")`
`04:10.21`	`Cide`	`but the result is the same`
`04:10.56`	`Cide`	`to test if a string is a valid number, use tonumber(string).. it returns the number if it was, or nil otherwise`
`04:11.09`	`reqol`	`ah, I don't even need to use type. thanks Cide :D`
`04:11.12`	`Lonny`	`Well, what about a "123A" ?`
`04:11.19`	`Cide`	`that returns nil`
`04:11.30`	`Cide`	`since it's not a valid number`
`04:11.39`	`Lonny`	`ah nice :)`
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`04:27.54`	`reqol`	`is XML difficult to pick up?`
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`04:29.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nope`
`04:30.17`	`laindir`	`reqol: learning to read one particular kind (e.g. wow interface files) is absurdly easy... learning to write schema, etc. isn't too bad either, easier than most programming languages imo`
`04:30.51`	`reqol`	`hmm, where do you recommend I learn it? w3? and could you suggest an editor? thanks.`
`04:33.30`	`laindir`	`I use notepad/ed for most of my xml/html/sgml editing, but any good IDE should be able to handle them competently (and make them a bit more readable)... as far as learning it, the w3's a start if you're good at learning from a specification... if not, I'd recommend xml.com, it has some halfway decent tutorials and such`
`04:34.45`	`Cide`	`I've heard good things (from cogwheel) about visual studio's xml editor`
`04:34.56`	`Cide`	`if you're running windows`
`04:35.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Cide: yeah, it is rather nice`
`04:35.27`	`Cide`	`you definitely want one with syntax checking and schema validation (and auto-completion based on the schema) if you can get one`
`04:35.59`	`reqol`	`well I have microsoft visual studio 2005 so that's covered`
`04:36.11`	`reqol`	`actually, I think I only have visual c++`
`04:36.51`	`Cide`	`pretty sure it's free?`
`04:37.04`	`laindir`	`you can get the 'express' editions free`
`04:37.18`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`04:39.22`	`reqol`	`is there a way to circumvent lack of switch besides elongated if thens?`
`04:40.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I think you can do some fancy stuff with tables, but ultimately no, i don't think so`
`04:40.25`	`MentalPower`	`you can use tables if you have a large amount of clauses`
`04:41.31`	`reqol`	`you mean like index,value ?`
`04:41.32`	`MentalPower`	`table = {condition1 = function1, condition2 = function2} if table[switch] then table[switch]()`
`04:41.35`	`reqol`	`and then just check against it`
`04:41.47`	`reqol`	`ah`
`04:41.50`	`MentalPower`	`+ end`
`04:42.13`	`MentalPower`	`but thats only faster if you have a rather large amount of clauses`
`04:46.05`	`Cide`	`might be cleaner though`
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`04:59.03`	`art3mis`	`saw the best ad on deviantclip the other day`
`04:59.17`	`art3mis`	`the corner of the window pulled out to show it`
`04:59.21`	`art3mis`	`all groovy like`
`04:59.37`	`art3mis`	`thats a nice style add thats not intrusive and makes people wanna see`
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`05:06.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, LIES!`
`05:06.56`	`JoshBorke`	`art3mis: saw that one on slashdot the other week, i agree`
`05:07.00`	`JoshBorke`	`i wanted to know what it was`
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`05:46.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`~moo`
`05:46.17`	`purl`	`ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass`
`05:53.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`Iriel, is there any distinguishable difference between gloss and high gloss?`
`05:53.55`	`Iriel`	`there can be depends on how you're looking at it`
`05:54.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats standard?`
`05:56.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`R_s = \frac{1}{2} \left[\left(\frac{cos i - \sqrt{m^2 - sin^2 i}}{cos i + \sqrt{m^2 - sin^2 i}}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{m^2 cos i - \sqrt{m^2 - sin^2 i}}{m^2 cos i + \sqrt{m^2 - sin^2 i}}\right)^2\right]"`
`05:56.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh, sometimes wikipedia doesnt cut it`
`05:57.28`	`Iriel`	`Personally I find high gloss a little too shiny`
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`06:17.29`	`Shirik`	`JoshBorke: ping`
`06:17.41`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion jelly`
`06:17.44`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 01:22:38 2008 EST ]]`
`06:17.48`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~sigh`
`06:17.49`	`purl`	`sigh`
`06:18.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`is it Thrae's fault or the armory?`
`06:19.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Says I haven't been active for a while...`
`06:19.25`	`\|Jelly\|`	`...even though I just logged off like an hour ago.`
`06:19.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`says that for everyone`
`06:19.32`	`\|Jelly\|`	`pile of shit`
`06:26.05`	`End`	`yeah, it's definitely the armory's fault`
`06:26.15`	`End`	`although, you can blame Thrae if you want`
`06:26.31`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Imma blame Shirik`
`06:26.36`	`End`	`k, that works too`
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`06:29.36`	`End`	`I just discovered syntactic sugar like blah"sdfsd" can result in strange results, when you mean blah, "sdfsd" :P`
`06:29.50`	`End`	`of course, what I had written was blah "sdfsd"`
`06:30.03`	`End`	`(and blah is a function)`
`06:30.10`	`Taeri`	`riight`
`06:30.43`	`End`	`hey, I wasn't expecting blah to get called that early...or with that argument`
`06:36.10`	`Rayne`	`if I were to get a Vista upgrade box (from XP to Vista) would it wipe my HD?`
`06:36.31`	`MentalPower`	`no`
`06:36.39`	`MentalPower`	`but you have to start the process from windows`
`06:36.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope, first you have to install it`
`06:36.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`THEN it wipes your HD`
`06:37.45`	`Taeri`	`auurgh, damnit boyfriend, answer the phooooone!`
`06:39.27`	`End`	`And if it fails to wipe your HD, it looks for other people's HDs to wipe until it finds one it can wipe, and it wipes that`
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`06:39.46`	`End`	`if it can't find any HDs to wipe, it destroys the universe`
`06:40.09`	`End`	`so make sure you have a spare hard drive just in case`
`06:44.43`	`Rayne`	`ok`
`06:44.44`	`Rayne`	`cause`
`06:44.52`	`Rayne`	`I didnt feel like getting WoW Reinstalled`
`06:44.57`	`Rayne`	`and spend 2 days getting patches`
`06:44.58`	`Rayne`	`>_<`
`06:45.39`	`Taeri`	`it's not really all that horrible really.`
`06:47.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`if you have a secondary HD you can just copy it over`
`06:47.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`then copy it back`
`06:47.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`or ever run it from there`
`06:47.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/ever/even/`
`06:53.36`	`Rayne`	`thats true`
`07:05.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`~seen wobin`
`07:05.17`	`purl`	`wobin is currently on #gnu-kbsd (1d 18h 9m 31s), last said: 'appears not =('.`
`07:05.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`...`
`07:05.33`	`Rayne`	`~seen kamdis`
`07:05.34`	`purl`	`kamdis <n=405f8902@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-65708007c39f1cf9> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 13d 7h 55m 17s ago, saying: 'Rayne: what's up?'.`
`07:05.42`	`Rayne`	`:/`
`07:05.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`\|Jelly\| is hiding her`
`07:06.05`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Jelly hasn't talked to her in longer than that.`
`07:06.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`eh.... \|Jelly\| should have`
`07:06.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:06.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok then`
`07:07.02`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:07.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh vent/irc/online in general != rl`
`07:07.51`	`\|Jelly\|`	`obviously`
`07:08.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`well if people are going to hang around online they need to understand that`
`07:08.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`i swear there should be a warning before going online`
`07:08.52`	`End`	`they should realize that about themselves -and- other people :P`
`07:09.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, yes they should`
`07:09.02`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lol. keep pretending you know what i'm talking about. i'm going to go to bed.`
`07:09.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont know what your talking about but i am off on a tangent and quite happy with it`
`07:10.07`	`End`	`hehe`
`07:11.08`	`End`	`great, my schedule is weird next semester`
`07:11.14`	`End`	`my first class on mwf is at 8 am`
`07:11.18`	`\|Jelly\|zZz`	`For the record Rayne, she hasn't been on AIM either.`
`07:11.26`	`End`	`on tuesday/thursday, it's 3:30 PM`
`07:11.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`weird like unusual or weird like "i'm taking whaleing"`
`07:11.43`	`End`	`the layout is weird`
`07:11.50`	`End`	`the classes themselves are normal`
`07:12.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have one online class and one class at 6:30pm 3 days a week`
`07:12.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`i whish every school's schedule was 5 week blocks`
`07:12.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`wish*`
`07:14.03`	`Rayne`	`k`
`07:14.06`	`End`	`I wonder what the weirdest class my university offers is`
`07:14.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think there is an 8 credit photography class`
`07:16.46`	`End`	`I'm not even sure what course code that would fall under :P`
`07:17.05`	`End`	`(don't see any art classes that involve photography at least)`
`07:17.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm...for my school it's under photography...`
`07:18.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`PHOTO 6, Advanced Commercial Photography 8 units`
`07:18.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`must be a killer class`
`07:18.26`	`End`	`hwh`
`07:18.27`	`End`	`heh`
`07:19.41`	`End`	`must select one subject?! fine, I'll select them all!`
`07:21.30`	`End`	`that's throwing my search off...`
`07:21.41`	`End`	`you can have a 18 credit independent study`
`07:22.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`my school has a credit cap....i hate it`
`07:22.26`	`End`	`18 credits is cap where I'm at`
`07:22.38`	`End`	`but if you have a good GPA (I don't), you can easily get an override`
`07:22.49`	`End`	`o_O`
`07:22.53`	`End`	`"Animal and Product Judging-Horses"`
`07:23.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh, i dont, i am on acedemic probation because of a class i took 9 years ago`
`07:23.09`	`End`	`:o`
`07:23.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`but the cap still bothers me`
`07:23.57`	`End`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:25.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`has anyone played around with songbird?`
`07:26.38`	`End`	`which is songbird?`
`07:26.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`itunes replacement by the same people as mozillia/firefox`
`07:27.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.songbirdnest.com/`
`07:27.10`	`End`	`ah, interesting`
`07:27.31`	`End`	`songbird is a very mozilla name :P`
`07:30.50`	`haste`	`I really liked Songbird at first, beause it had the album/artist filter thingy I've always missed from foobar (hi2u linux!)`
`07:31.00`	`haste`	`but it had a horribly love for resources when I tried it`
`07:31.08`	`haste`	`s/y/e/`
`07:35.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`haste, when/what version did you try it?`
`07:36.40`	`haste`	`Thunder_Child: 0.3 I think`
`07:36.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, thanks`
`07:37.05`	`cladhaire`	`it seems okay`
`07:37.12`	`cladhaire`	`poised to potentially not suck`
`07:37.13`	`haste`	`it's really nice tho', would have ended up using it if it wasn't for that`
`07:37.18`	`cladhaire`	`but its still rough around the edges`
`07:37.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`well it's that or Media Monkey`
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`07:43.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone know how to keep an image url from being postable?`
`07:44.13`	`cladhaire`	`what do you mean?`
`07:44.17`	`cladhaire`	`preventing hotlinking?`
`07:44.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`[img]xxx.jpg[/img] kinda thing`
`07:44.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`on a forum for example`
`07:45.12`	`cladhaire`	`You only want people to be able to access it from a direct URL then?`
`07:45.25`	`cladhaire`	`http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/2004/11/stop-image-hotlinking-tutorial-htaccess-apache`
`07:45.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`ty`
`07:45.49`	`cladhaire`	`that's a complex way to do things, but the same search keywords may give you an easy result.`
`07:51.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`complex indeed`
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`09:48.44`	`art3mis`	`have you ever wanted to go on an efnet server do a /stats p and msg who ever has the biggest idle time with "wow thats a pretty nice idle time" just to see if they'll wreck it to respond with thanks`
`09:49.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope`
`09:49.11`	`art3mis`	`oh`
`09:49.32`	`art3mis`	`have you ever wanted to watch a kitten fall asleep in a bowl of milk?`
`09:49.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone know if you can save VB 2008 files in the VB 2005 format?`
`09:49.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`again art3mis, no`
`09:51.11`	`art3mis`	`http://images.quizilla.com/E/ellamint/1125954998_red_kitten.jpg`
`09:51.49`	`art3mis`	`http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/katemoss.JPG <-- search for kitten falling asleep in a bowl of milk`
`09:51.53`	`art3mis`	`wtf`
`09:52.35`	`art3mis`	`http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6039/25sa.jpg <-- raddest hat evah`
`09:52.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`damit art3mis i just scared my virgin eyes`
`09:52.51`	`Shirik`	`I am so GD sick of my character being lost in the void`
`09:52.57`	`Shirik`	`whenever a BG crashes at an inopportune time`
`09:53.11`	`art3mis`	`maybe if you weighed more you sould slip through the cracks in the pixels`
`09:54.35`	`Corrodias`	`lost in the void?`
`09:54.56`	`art3mis`	`sould == wouldnt`
`09:55.07`	`art3mis`	`hrm i think after this smork it's bed time`
`09:55.13`	`Shirik`	`Corrodias: can't log into it, stuck at loading screen, character screen says that you aren't anywhere`
`09:55.17`	`Shirik`	`etc`
`09:55.44`	`Corrodias`	`whoa. what do you do to remedy that?`
`09:55.56`	`Shirik`	`holy shit`
`09:55.58`	`Shirik`	`I just PMed myself too`
`09:56.00`	`Shirik`	`that was cool`
`09:56.12`	`Corrodias`	`also, this thread kicks asses. yes, multiple asses. http://img.4chan.org/b/res/49749526.html`
`09:56.19`	`Shirik`	`so apparently my character is still logged on`
`09:56.29`	`Corrodias`	`do a /who. where is it?`
`09:56.51`	`art3mis`	`shirk`
`09:56.59`	`Shirik`	`logged off now`
`09:57.01`	`Shirik`	`that was wierd`
`09:57.13`	`art3mis`	`it's sed s/"thing to find"/"thing to replace/g * right?`
`09:57.24`	`Shirik`	`the others that appear to be having the same issue as me are currently logged in in Arathi Basin`
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`09:57.33`	`Corrodias`	`this especially is a bizarre image: http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1199266892644.jpg`
`09:57.53`	`Shirik`	`JoshBorke: ping?`
`09:58.02`	`Shirik`	`Or anyone else that knows something about PvP healing priest specs`
`09:58.07`	`Corrodias`	`SHIRIK!`
`09:58.13`	`Corrodias`	`how do you fix your character being in the Void?`
`09:58.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`Corrodias, go follow the devart link and see where that takes you`
`09:58.47`	`Shirik`	`Corrodias: I just whispered myself`
`09:58.54`	`Shirik`	`and then it went through, a few seconds later it logged off`
`09:58.57`	`Shirik`	`and then I got in fine :P`
`09:59.02`	`Corrodias`	`oh, i see, i see`
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`09:59.06`	`Corrodias`	`where does it spawn you?`
`09:59.14`	`Shirik`	`and I logged into a 5 capping AB`
`09:59.15`	`Shirik`	`awesome!`
`09:59.22`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: cheater!`
`10:00.47`	`Corrodias`	`Thunder_Child: on the whole, his/her art looks a little emo, which is pretty standard for artists`
`10:01.12`	`Corrodias`	`reasonably good-looking stuff, though`
`10:01.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`emo data?`
`10:02.01`	`Corrodias`	`no, i saved that one`
`10:02.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, she btw`
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`10:04.15`	`Corrodias`	`that part is not important`
`10:04.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`it saves you from having to type he/she`
`10:05.03`	`Corrodias`	`ah, well, thanks. i don't think i'm ever going to refer to this subject again, though.`
`10:05.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`fail`
`10:07.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`you know the fact that i cant download the older FREE version of software is retarded`
`10:08.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`nvm, i lied`
`10:10.01`	`Corrodias`	`this is the greatest thread ever ;..;`
`10:10.02`	`art3mis`	`you just suck?`
`10:10.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`it seems i do indeed suck`
`10:10.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`someone go to http://www.microsoft.com/express/2005/download/default.aspx and tell me how i catually DL the VB 2005 version`
`10:12.06`	`Corrodias`	`uh.`
`10:12.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`uh. is not helpfull`
`10:12.43`	`Corrodias`	`neither is this page`
`10:12.57`	`Corrodias`	`i suspect it's just broken`
`10:13.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, solong as it's not me`
`10:13.57`	`Corrodias`	`who's the guy in the lower left corner of the grid here? http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1199267590497.jpg`
`10:14.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`ceaser?`
`10:14.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`or however it's spelled`
`10:14.32`	`Corrodias`	`ah`
`10:14.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`he has the leaf crown thing`
`10:16.52`	`Corrodias`	`and who is this supposed to be? http://img.4chan.org/b/src.cgi/1199267863921.png`
`10:17.18`	`art3mis`	`did you want the full studio or JUST vb?`
`10:17.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`eVB pref but either is fine`
`10:17.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/eVB/VB/`
`10:18.39`	`art3mis`	`http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread365940.html`
`10:18.44`	`art3mis`	`scroll down a little bit`
`10:19.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`thanks art3mis`
`10:20.00`	`art3mis`	`yup`
`10:36.40`	`Corrodias`	`well, i've put off going to bed because it means the end of the last day of my vacation before months and months of work`
`10:36.44`	`Corrodias`	`but it's time. good night`
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`11:28.23`	`reqol`	`when a frame is hidden, what is hindered? only OnUpdate, or what?`
`11:28.33`	`reqol`	`through Frame:Hide() that is`
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`11:36.20`	`reqol`	`sigh. debugging this is giving me a headache. it's so strange what's happening`
`11:37.06`	`reqol`	`for some reason, a totally unrelated variable is causing an event to evalute to false even when it should evalute to true. I thought it might be because when it evalutes to true, the onupdate frame hdies itself, but that's not the problem`
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`12:02.13`	`JoshBorke`	`Shirik: pong`
`12:02.55`	`JoshBorke`	`reqol: OnUpdates are no longer processed on hidden frames`
`12:05.12`	`reqol`	`JoshBorke: thanks. it's fixed now. it had all to do with onupdate and me not hiding the frame on VARIABLES_LOADED`
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`14:15.52`	`Lunessa`	`... station`
`14:17.59`	`Shirik`	`station?`
`14:20.20`	`End`	`station!`
`14:20.31`	`Lunessa`	`STATION!`
`14:21.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`Shirik: ping`
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`14:31.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`hm`
`14:31.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`how come that didn't work?`
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`14:32.10`	`zenzelezz`	`doesn't matter, peppy's here now`
`14:33.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`In spirit, at least... Morning \|Jelly\|-dear.`
`14:33.58`	`zenzelezz`	`better that way; not safe to be here in the flesh with this many freaks around`
`14:34.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'd take the freaks for a hug.`
`14:40.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Who let Nitelily out of the cavern again?`
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`14:44.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`You. You left the cage unlocked last time you went to poke her.`
`14:44.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh.`
`14:44.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Um.... I don't have the energy to round the tigers back up, could I pay someone else to do it?`
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`14:48.33`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: I'll do it for mu /ususal/ fee.`
`14:50.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh! Well, if I don't have to pay you extra for it, go ahead and help me out on this one. hugs in advance`
`14:52.18`	`Lunessa`	`nods`
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`14:52.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I ate the last truffle, but I hope to find a baking mood and use up the mint chocolate chips soon...`
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`14:57.36`	`zenzelezz`	`http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/01/01/6909020.aspx <-- users... >.<`
`14:57.48`	`Lunessa`	`In light of my holiday activities this comic is freaking hilarious. http://xkcd.com/364/`
`14:58.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, Lunessa, you wild dog you!`
`14:58.33`	`Lunessa`	`I just met people from IRC.`
`15:01.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh. Just.`
`15:02.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And zenzelezz, that was just the sort of illustration of something that I needed. Thank you. Very much.`
`15:02.18`	`Fisker-`	`heh zenzelezz`
`15:02.42`	`Fisker-`	`I remember someone reporting their computer had a faulty network card`
`15:02.57`	`Fisker-`	`Sure enough it was faulty, it couldn't find wifi!`
`15:03.09`	`Fisker-`	`Just a shame it was a wired network card then`
`15:03.28`	`Fisker-`	`i.e. nothing was wrong and for some reason someone had unplugged the cable`
`15:03.40`	`Fisker-`	`cough user cough`
`15:04.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`PEBKAC?`
`15:04.18`	`Fisker-`	`definitely`
`15:04.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I get that alot. It makes me cry to think that we're updating the software and getting a whole new GUI I have to somehow explain to people....`
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`15:05.34`	`Lunessa`	`Like the guy who called to get support for his computer shutting down - when there was campus wide power outage.`
`15:05.49`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`15:06.21`	`Fisker-`	`lol yeah`
`15:06.25`	`Fisker-`	`we had something like that`
`15:06.42`	`Fisker-`	`Our department runs on another power source together with the servers`
`15:06.49`	`Fisker-`	`and for some reason some desktops were on our power supply`
`15:06.57`	`Fisker-`	`but in the same room the others were on the other power supply`
`15:07.19`	`Fisker-`	`So the power went and the users of those 2 pc's came in asking why there weren't any internet :P`
`15:07.24`	`Fisker-`	`because the switch were also down`
`15:08.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My boss does that all the time... comes out to ask me if my Internet isn't working. I run a wired network card, he uses wireless (which goes down frequently). I just can't train him that asking me gives him no useful information.`
`15:09.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Peppy does not want to go to Disney anymore. Scroll down to A Pirate's (After) Life... http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al111307d.htm`
`15:09.01`	`Lunessa`	`nodnod*`
`15:09.28`	`Fisker-`	`yeah i hate that`
`15:09.35`	`Fisker-`	`"I can't explain it, just come down here"`
`15:09.39`	`Fisker-`	`"Network cable unplugged"`
`15:09.44`	`Fisker-`	`YOU COULDN'T EXPLAIN ME THAT?!`
`15:09.46`	`Fisker-`	`RAWR`
`15:10.08`	`Lunessa`	`peppy... ewwwww`
`15:10.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ugh. I hate that. I hate walkign across campus to find that users are indeed using IE6, which they swore they were not.`
`15:10.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sorry, Lunessa....`
`15:10.44`	`Fisker-`	`you be dissin' mah browsar`
`15:10.54`	`Lunessa`	`Pirates of the Caribbean .. now with 50% less human remains.`
`15:11.03`	`sysrage`	`you don't support IE6?`
`15:11.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We don't not-support it. However, there are certain bugs that appear when using it that don't appear in other versions/browsers, certain things to do for X issue, etc.`
`15:12.30`	`sysrage`	`ah`
`15:12.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If they say they're running IE7 I discount the IE6 conflicts/bugs/tricks and start down a new line. It's like Mac versus PC sometimes, you switch gears and they were full of shit the whole time.`
`15:12.46`	`Lunessa`	`IE6 is the devil anyway.`
`15:13.02`	`sysrage`	`IE is the devil anyway. <- fixed`
`15:13.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We have the best results in Firefox, I do admit. But I'll support anything that IT supports, IF they tell me the truth about their browser version.`
`15:14.08`	`Shirik`	`lol I'm so not used to playing a rogue`
`15:14.18`	`Shirik`	`I'm sitting here trying to figure out how I'm going to take down these two mobs`
`15:14.25`	`Shirik`	`after about 3 minutes I remember that I have sap`
`15:14.32`	`Lunessa`	`:D`
`15:14.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ouch, Shirik. Don't forget Blind and Gouge too.... But I sympathize, I took my rogue into Karazhan for the second time in 8 months last night. Whee, that was fun.`
`15:15.04`	`Shirik`	`I use gouge periodically but no blind yet`
`15:15.10`	`Shirik`	`only 13`
`15:15.10`	`Lunessa`	`Shirik: Someone in guild chat last night was raving about how much they love your "RatKillCount" addon.`
`15:15.47`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`15:16.24`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: And as far as I can tell so far, gouge only seems to be useful to get off an extra backstab, while soloing`
`15:16.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`Shirik: pong`
`15:16.41`	`Shirik`	`hey Josh_Borke how much do you know about disc pvp priests?`
`15:17.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik -- it can make the difference between life and death to extend the CC of that extra mob for 3 seconds, when the shit hits the fan.`
`15:17.27`	`deltron`	`lol RatKillCount?`
`15:17.31`	`deltron`	`I MUST get that`
`15:18.20`	`Fisker-`	`i thought gouge were only 1,5 second increase`
`15:18.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`Shirik: none :-D`
`15:18.29`	`Shirik`	`Josh_Borke: =(`
`15:18.32`	`Shirik`	`Fisker-: 4 actually`
`15:18.35`	`Fisker-`	`gouge were king when you could actually use it to restealth though`
`15:20.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Stealth were king when you could use it to be in stealth. laugh`
`15:27.15`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: what do you wanna know about disc pvp?`
`15:27.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think that \|Jelly\| goes disc for PvP too, IIRC.`
`15:28.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`don't ask clad, he's a n00b`
`15:28.25`	`cladhaire`	`word`
`15:29.20`	`Shirik`	`I just wanted someone to look at this spec and see if it's sane`
`15:29.29`	`Shirik`	`I don't know much about the pvp talents`
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`15:29.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`.... sanity is in the eye of the beholder.`
`15:29.43`	`Shirik`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgGzhgxMcRtfVzh`
`15:29.55`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: I'm sane enough to know I'm not sane.`
`15:30.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm insane enough to be optimistic`
`15:30.45`	`cladhaire`	`not having spirit of redemption hurts.. in 2v2 and 3v3`
`15:30.47`	`cladhaire`	`not as much in 5v5`
`15:30.55`	`Shirik`	`yeah that's the #1 thing I was worried about`
`15:31.00`	`cladhaire`	`but if you're going down to PS, its hard`
`15:31.07`	`Shirik`	`but in order to go down to PS I can't get it`
`15:31.11`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`15:31.23`	`cladhaire`	`thats why i split my build heavy on the holy side`
`15:31.31`	`cladhaire`	`but i miss the mass dispel decrease`
`15:31.33`	`sysrage`	`enlightenment icon looks like part of a goatsecx pic if you glance at it quickly`
`15:31.33`	`cladhaire`	`which is nice`
`15:32.15`	`Shirik`	`okay.`
`15:32.26`	`cladhaire`	`i would consider getting divine spirit instead of reflective shielf`
`15:32.28`	`cladhaire`	`but thats just me`
`15:32.29`	`Shirik`	`I've been killing murlocks for the past 10 minutes getting pissed because I can't get the last quest item to drop`
`15:32.38`	`cladhaire`	`its another buff to be dispelled, and it can be useful`
`15:32.47`	`cladhaire`	`but yes, its a sane build :P`
`15:33.01`	`Shirik`	`is it actually useful? I had it then I removed it.`
`15:33.09`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, back to the murlocks. Apparently I have all the ones I need.`
`15:33.11`	`Shirik`	`Damn it`
`15:33.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Are they the right murlocs, Shirik? I sometimes wander from the "right area". Oh, do you have an item in the bank or something then?`
`15:33.22`	`cladhaire`	`well consider purge and dispel magoic`
`15:33.32`	`cladhaire`	`that's why mages/locks toss all their buffs up`
`15:33.34`	`sysrage`	`i fail at pvp cause i alwasy forget to spellsteal`
`15:33.47`	`cladhaire`	`more for spellsteal/purge/dispel to take`
`15:33.53`	`Shirik`	`fair enough`
`15:34.00`	`cladhaire`	`but ref shield may be more useful`
`15:34.09`	`cladhaire`	`its a tossup`
`15:34.12`	`Shirik`	`eh, reflective shield I haven't heard great things about except against rogues`
`15:34.23`	`cladhaire`	`well its good against anyone doing damage`
`15:34.24`	`cladhaire`	`tbh :P`
`15:34.28`	`cladhaire`	`more damage done, helps`
`15:34.39`	`cladhaire`	`so i could see it both ways`
`15:34.47`	`cladhaire`	`are you 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 primarily?`
`15:35.24`	`alestane`	`>>> setmetatable({x=5}, {__index = setmetatable({y=6}, {__index={z=7}})})[z]`
`15:35.25`	`Shirik`	`currently 3v3, but the reason for this change is because I'm using a pve spec in 3v3, and if I want to go to 5v5 I'll need a pvp spec`
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`15:35.39`	`alestane`	`Oops, Cide's not on.`
`15:35.51`	`alestane`	`Any other luabots?`
`15:36.01`	`Shirik`	`lua> "I hate you alestane"`
`15:36.02`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: I hate you alestane`
`15:36.18`	`alestane`	`lua> setmetatable({x=5}, {__index = setmetatable({y=6}, {__index={z=7}})})[z]`
`15:36.18`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: nil`
`15:36.37`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: SoR is less useful for 5v5, but can still matter`
`15:36.39`	`alestane`	`Apparently not. Only one level of metatables?`
`15:36.54`	`cladhaire`	`alestane: metatables use rawget()`
`15:36.55`	`alestane`	`lua> setmetatable({x=5}, {__index = setmetatable({y=6}, {__index={z=7}})})["z"]`
`15:36.55`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: 7`
`15:36.56`	`Shirik`	`how do you define "one level"`
`15:36.57`	`cladhaire`	`define you rown function`
`15:37.07`	`Shirik`	`yes, you can define your own __index function instead of using a table there`
`15:37.14`	`alestane`	`It helps if I use the right index.`
`15:37.18`	`cladhaire`	`but yeah`
`15:37.19`	`cladhaire`	`i was wrong`
`15:37.22`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik was right`
`15:37.26`	`Shirik`	`?`
`15:37.26`	`cladhaire`	`and you got your answe`
`15:37.27`	`cladhaire`	`r`
`15:37.52`	`Shirik`	`/confused`
`15:37.53`	`alestane`	`Shirik was correct, although I'm not sure he was correct in a germane way.`
`15:38.03`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: my bad, alestane proved me wrong :P`
`15:38.05`	`cladhaire`	`haha`
`15:38.07`	`cladhaire`	`i thought __index used rawget`
`15:38.09`	`cladhaire`	`but it doesn't`
`15:38.11`	`cladhaire`	`as he just showed`
`15:38.41`	`alestane`	`I find it scary that people can glance at that and actually understand what I'm doing.`
`15:39.05`	`alestane`	`It's probably in my top five most confusing lines of Lua ever written.`
`15:39.07`	`cladhaire`	`heh, we've all been there, and played those games :P`
`15:39.11`	`Shirik`	`when you get comfortable with metatables it's pretty fun`
`15:39.15`	`Shirik`	`there's lots of tricks`
`15:39.22`	`MoonWolf`	`and we all hurt our head the first time 'round.`
`15:39.28`	`Shirik`	`__gc is the one that's blowing my brains out right now`
`15:39.34`	`cladhaire`	`why?`
`15:39.37`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`anyone see anything wrong with $fixTitle->prepare("UPDATE gMP_Item SET g_title = ? WHERE g_id = ?")`
`15:39.41`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`(yes its PHP)`
`15:39.43`	`cladhaire`	`whats confusing you about it`
`15:39.59`	`alestane`	`In this case I'm trying to use my add-on's frame as the environment for my add-on code.`
`15:40.02`	`Shirik`	`just more of that I'm not used to needing to check whether or not I can kill something`
`15:40.09`	`Shirik`	`Normally I know it doesn't exist, so I delete it`
`15:40.17`	`MoonWolf`	`MentalPower, i know not the api behind that call, so no clue.`
`15:40.17`	`Shirik`	`but now it might also exist in Lua so bleh`
`15:40.26`	`cladhaire`	`what work are you doing in C land?`
`15:41.09`	`MentalPower`	`MoonWolf: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysqli-stmt-prepare.php`
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`15:41.36`	`alestane`	`Later, dr.'s appt.`
`15:41.43`	`MentalPower`	`later alestane`
`15:41.47`	`MentalPower`	`ba, too late`
`15:41.53`	`MentalPower`	`s/ba/bah/`
`15:42.28`	`MoonWolf`	`MentalPower, what about ti doesnt work ?`
`15:42.59`	`MentalPower`	`I have it enclosed in an if statement and it falls thru`
`15:45.05`	`Shirik`	`lol! evasion + bandage = awesome`
`15:45.08`	`MoonWolf`	`no clue tbh.`
`15:45.14`	`Shirik`	`I got the entire bandage off while the mob was beating on me`
`15:45.28`	`MoonWolf`	`blind is a lot more reliable`
`15:45.35`	`Shirik`	`probably`
`15:45.39`	`Shirik`	`but not when you're 13`
`15:45.59`	`MoonWolf`	`ah`
`15:46.51`	`MentalPower`	`MoonWolf: ah, found my issue, its a friggin "Commands out of sync" error`
`15:46.57`	`MoonWolf`	`well`
`15:47.03`	`MoonWolf`	`how was i supposed to know THAT.`
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`15:50.55`	`MentalPower`	`you weren't I thought it was a syntax issue`
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`16:13.51`	`cladhaire`	`I was just asked to be a bridesmaid.,`
`16:13.54`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`16:14.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What, you don't have a good suit?`
`16:14.02`	`cogwheel`	`/comfort`
`16:14.44`	`cogwheel`	`worst part is arranging and financing the bridal shower/bachelorette party`
`16:15.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`IF you're close enough and don't get to delegate it off to someone "local". grin`
`16:15.15`	`cladhaire`	`well I don't have to do any of that`
`16:15.20`	`cladhaire`	`but I'm also not a woman`
`16:15.38`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`16:15.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Now, did the bride in question know that, and was just being liberal to ask to have you in her party? Or did she just not know?`
`16:15.55`	`cladhaire`	`yes, she's very much aware of my male-ness`
`16:16.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've seen plenty of males in the bridal party, it's totally a "done thing".`
`16:16.04`	`cladhaire`	`yeah I know`
`16:16.14`	`cladhaire`	`but i'm still a traditionalist for many things`
`16:16.39`	`cladhaire`	`just doesn't feel right.. but the important part is standing by her at her wedding`
`16:16.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah... well then, tell her you'll be happy to usher for her, but being in the bridal party isn't comfortable for you. She should understand that.`
`16:17.35`	`cladhaire`	`I agreed`
`16:17.40`	`cladhaire`	`it just feels a bit weird to me`
`16:17.48`	`MentalPower`	`you'll be fine clad`
`16:18.00`	`MentalPower`	`is it over here in the states?`
`16:18.03`	`cladhaire`	`since all of my guy friends will.. be on the other side of the party`
`16:18.25`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`16:18.26`	`Lunessa`	`Clad, I understand this discomfort.`
`16:18.28`	`cladhaire`	`i'd be coming back for it either way`
`16:18.56`	`MentalPower`	`man, your frequent flier miles must be thru the roof by now :P`
`16:20.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Talk to the lady, see what the two of you can work out, Cladhaire. You can see it as a way to broaden your horizons, or a way to make even better friends as you wrestle with conventions... lots of things to think.`
`16:22.03`	`cladhaire`	`it looks like she's going to have 3 and 3 on her side`
`16:22.06`	`cladhaire`	`one being the man of honor`
`16:22.10`	`cladhaire`	`so we'll see how this goes :P`
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`16:23.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`hugs Good for you.`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`and when we introduce wedding party they will be escorting/escorted by their actual escorts (spouses, SOs, etc) not a random other member of bridal party`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`16:23`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`and there will be no head table, so no eating on display`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`16:23`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`and wedding party members will sit with their dates`
`16:24.58`	`cladhaire`	`I can cope with this :P`
`16:26.56`	`MentalPower`	`16:23?`
`16:27.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It sounds well planned, Cladhaire. I hope it's as special as it sounds to be.`
`16:27.23`	`nevcairiel`	`its the timestamp in his chat`
`16:27.33`	`cladhaire`	`me too, cause its for her :P`
`16:27.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Best gift to give.`
`16:28.18`	`Lunessa`	`Is is just me, or are weddings designed to make people crazy displaying what should already be obvious?`
`16:28.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes, Lunessa. 's why I eloped, it was so much better all around.`
`16:28.59`	`Lunessa`	`I threatened to run off to Vegas.`
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`16:30.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes though, a bit of ceremony can be important, as a memory marker and a devotion. There's a balance between insanity and deliberate celebration.`
`16:31.20`	`Lunessa`	`I agree. But I see so much emphasis on the event and something about it rubs me the wrong way.`
`16:31.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I hear ya. I didn't even get an engagement ring until about... 2 years after my marriage. Drove my family nuts.`
`16:35.10`	`Lunessa`	`It's like heroin.`
`16:36.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Most things about relationships are. Damn the hormones.`
`16:38.50`	`Lunessa`	`I need to get me one of those.`
`16:39.51`	`Intangir`	`http://guest:guest1@intangir.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=11372`
`16:41.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hormones? Because I have a relationship on the auctions right now, buyout is low....`
`16:41.40`	`Lunessa`	`Hrm, tempting.`
`16:41.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Intangir wins the battle, very nice screenshot. grin`
`16:42.12`	`Intangir`	`hehe ;)`
`16:42.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Is there a keybind for that screen in battlegrounds? I misplaced mine.`
`16:42.51`	`nevcairiel`	`hm dunno, i only click the minimap icon`
`16:43.37`	`Intangir`	`oh ya i click minimap icon`
`16:43.42`	`Intangir`	`that was an endgame one`
`16:44.07`	`Lunessa`	`Shift+M`
`16:46.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, my minimap from Jelly doesn't have the icon, I'll have to browse keybindings harder I think. Not that I PvP for anything other than gear or kicks, so it doesn't matter much.`
`16:48.44`	`Lunessa`	`It used to be just battlegrounds or PVP objective mpas, now it's everywhere.`
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`16:51.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Like the snow outside... just everywhere.`
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`16:53.16`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: Move South. It's "cold" here today at 53 degrees F.`
`16:55.59`	`Intangir`	`wait do you mean the map? or the scoreboard? i assumed you meant scoreboard`
`16:56.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Scoreboard, Intangir.`
`16:56.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Map I've got, no worries.`
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`16:57.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lunessa.... Change of latitude may yet be in order, in one way or another. I try to keep my horizons unlimited.`
`16:58.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I do like Jimmy Buffet, but I was honestly singing Jill Sobule.`
`17:00.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sadly, The Jig is Up isn't on YouTube.`
`17:01.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And wow, her Jersey accent is annoying accoustic. closes window`
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`17:01.55`	`Lunessa`	`lol`
`17:02.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My iPod is boring. I appear to be restless.`
`17:03.01`	`Lunessa`	`needs more pr0n`
`17:04.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thus far I only listen to music on my iPod... not sure I'd care for the soundtrack to Debbie Does Dallas.`
`17:04.40`	`Lunessa`	`wait... that has a soundtrack?`
`17:05.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well.... there's music in the background when you watch it, so I assume someone could extract and create a soundtrack, yes....`
`17:05.29`	`Lunessa`	`...`
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`17:06.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Dare I ask?`
`17:09.27`	`Lunessa`	`There's SOUND in pr0n!`
`17:11.28`	`zenzelezz`	`you didn't notice until now?`
`17:12.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If even I know that, I'm sure Lunessa has noticed. grin`
`17:12.35`	`Lunessa`	`... ouch, I just got BURNED.`
`17:12.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or perhaps I was showing off my relative level of innocence?`
`17:14.52`	`Lunessa`	`You forgot the 'flutter eyelashes' emote.`
`17:15.19`	`Lunessa`	`Wasn't it you that was talking about "training"? wink`
`17:15.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nah. I'm not that rejectedly naive. If I can even spell that word.`
`17:16.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was talking of training in a more shared sense, than the traditional dominatrix role. I'm a share-er.`
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`17:24.32`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: ping>`
`17:24.44`	`Shirik`	`s/>/?/`
`17:25.07`	`\|Jelly\|`	`?`
`17:25.50`	`Shirik`	`want to look at my pvp spec and offer suggestions?`
`17:26.00`	`Lunessa`	`<3 for the Peppy. You're fun to pick on. :)`
`17:26.15`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: luney never ahs the sound on, his headphones are busted ;`
`17:26.18`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`17:26.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think the snow has put me into an odd mood or something. Very apathetic, that can't be fun at all.`
`17:27.27`	`art3mis`	`apathy can be lots of fun, but it takes soo much energy to be truely apathetic that, meh it's just not worth the effort`
`17:27.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, izzat rite?`
`17:28.02`	`Lunessa`	`I think people would work on a cure for apathy if anyone gave a damn.`
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`17:30.10`	`Shirik`	`ROFL!`
`17:30.22`	`Shirik`	`Someone typed /me has reported you as an alt. Type /afk to remove the report`
`17:30.26`	`Shirik`	`Half the raid left`
`17:30.31`	`nevcairiel`	`rofl`
`17:30.32`	`Shirik`	`(in BG)`
`17:30.59`	`nevcairiel`	`thats a new one`
`17:31.04`	`nevcairiel`	`gotta try that in AV :P`
`17:31.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That's sweet.`
`17:31.51`	`Shirik`	`er`
`17:31.53`	`Shirik`	`not alt, I meant afk*`
`17:31.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've been reported multiple times for being the base guardian. I tend to stand near some obstruction so I'm not like... glaringly obvious to the opposition. I get "nice try to hide AFK, I see you".`
`17:32.03`	`Shirik`	`I'm sure you figured it out`
`17:32.59`	`cladhaire`	`Lopeppeppy: as a healer, I hide in the bunkers`
`17:33.01`	`cladhaire`	`and heal the archers`
`17:33.28`	`cladhaire`	`as alliance, that can really be effective :P`
`17:34.09`	`Lunessa`	`I don't PvP. I suck at it, I don't find it fun, and I don't like 90% of the ePeen stroking jerkwads who do like it. :P`
`17:34.12`	`cladhaire`	`since there's only one place they can hide from the archers and still cap, unlike`
`17:34.50`	`Intangir`	`i am an epeen stroking jerkwad who likes pvp`
`17:35.03`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\| =(`
`17:35.21`	`Intangir`	`i got both my season3 weapons now :)`
`17:35.34`	`Intangir`	`and im stroking that epeen to a degree unsafe for TV`
`17:35.42`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`17:36.22`	`Shirik`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`17:36.24`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 8031 HP; 9810 Mana; 400 mana regen; 193 mp5; 620 +spell dmg; 1704 +heal; 6.46% dodge; 23 resilience; +25 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 572 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 12:41:23 2008 EST ]]`
`17:36.32`	`Shirik`	`someone just said to me "omg you have some crazy mp5"`
`17:36.36`	`Shirik`	`is that really that crazy?`
`17:36.39`	`Shirik`	`I don't think so :/`
`17:36.56`	`cladhaire`	`its a good amount, heh`
`17:37.07`	`Intangir`	`!c us mug'thol intangir`
`17:37.10`	`ThraeBot`	`Intangir: Intangir, Level 70 Undead Rogue (21/0/40). 11324 HP; +10 Energy; 3789 Armour; 1709 AP; 331.600 Melee DPS; 31.83% melee crit; 64 melee hit; 26.76% dodge; 365 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1191 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2c9est ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2twxfg ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 12:42:08 2008 EST ]]`
`17:37.28`	`cladhaire`	`yay for 10 shadow resist!`
`17:37.30`	`Intangir`	`Shirik: crazy mp5? like the gun?`
`17:37.41`	`Shirik`	`yes, like the gun -_-`
`17:37.47`	`Intangir`	`whats crazy about it?`
`17:38.12`	`nevcairiel`	`its not crazy really`
`17:38.13`	`Shirik`	`apparently I have too many`
`17:38.21`	`Shirik`	`nevcairiel: that's what I thought :/`
`17:38.23`	`Intangir`	`you can never have to many ;)`
`17:38.51`	`Intangir`	`lol`
`17:38.58`	`Intangir`	`anyway what is the mp5 the bot is listing i just noticed that`
`17:39.12`	`nevcairiel`	`actually, when you sit at teron, keep all hots up and spam direct heal in between, and still dont run below 50% mana in the fight, you can start to stack healing :P`
`17:39.45`	`Intangir`	`oh mana per 5 seconds?`
`17:39.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Those without mp5 are those who cry for the druid.`
`17:39.59`	`nevcairiel`	`!c eu antonidas nevcairiel`
`17:40.02`	`ThraeBot`	`nevcairiel: Nevcairiel, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/0/60). 8384 HP; 9515 Mana; 433 mana regen; 252 mp5; 3.96% melee crit; 642 +spell dmg; 1889 +heal; 4.23% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 725 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqhy7q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32vjf8 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 12:45:00 2008 EST ]]`
`17:40.08`	`Intangir`	`holy shit`
`17:40.13`	`nevcairiel`	`buffed thats nearly ~400`
`17:40.16`	`Shirik`	`But yeah anyway, I thrive on the 5SR`
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`17:40.39`	`Shirik`	`400 mana is half a heal`
`17:41.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My paladin doesn't run that high, but he's a lazy Illumination bastich anyway.`
`17:42.41`	`Shirik`	`paladins shouldn't need that much :P`
`17:43.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't, most usually. I'm built Ford tough or something.`
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`17:45.46`	`art3mis`	`man lunesta is a horrible sleep aid`
`17:46.03`	`art3mis`	`leaves the worst taste in your mouth when you wake up`
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`17:47.37`	`Shirik`	`I hate sleep aids`
`17:48.45`	`art3mis`	`its not bad for sleep though`
`17:48.59`	`art3mis`	`drops me for almost exactly 8 hours then wakes me up`
`17:49.12`	`art3mis`	`and takes all of 15 mins to become active`
`17:49.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have something I take, when I can actually have the 8 hours to sleep. It comes in really really handy when you need it.`
`17:49.37`	`art3mis`	`i'd much ratehr take lemon neo-citrin, but the fuckers dont sell it here`
`17:49.44`	`art3mis`	`they sell some thera-flu crap`
`17:50.21`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: yeah more or less, im down to my last pill of 30 that i got about 8 months ago`
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`17:51.08`	`art3mis`	`i love the ambein-cr side effects altely too`
`17:51.11`	`art3mis`	`lately`
`17:51.18`	`art3mis`	`the temp amnesia and sleep walking`
`17:51.20`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`17:51.32`	`art3mis`	`those are totally acceptable side effects to a sleep aid`
`17:51.49`	`art3mis`	`but i suppose at least it doesnt have "anal leakage" as one`
`17:51.53`	`art3mis`	`so thats a win`
`17:52.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Um... yeah. I'm sticking with my over-the-counter usually twice a month thing. Yeah.`
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`17:52.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I use it more often lately, but thankfully I've never needed anything so... horrid.`
`17:53.18`	`AU518987077`	`hello there`
`17:53.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mornin'`
`17:53.37`	`Shirik`	`pop quiz`
`17:53.43`	`AU518987077`	`i was wonderign has ther ebeen any more development iwth atlas major cities or tian panel? in teh last year?`
`17:53.46`	`Shirik`	`pvp chest piece: +15 resil or +6 stats`
`17:53.52`	`AU518987077`	`ooh i love pop quizes`
`17:54.00`	`art3mis`	`lunesta is actually good(only side effect is the need for coffee to get rid of the yucky taste) and its non-addictive`
`17:54.08`	`Shirik`	`and I'm going to take a shower so you have like 15 minutes to answer`
`17:54.10`	`AU518987077`	`lets see, the first ones coke, the second oen is spriite, and thae third oen is mountan dew`
`17:56.28`	`art3mis`	`oo slight chance of snow today`
`17:56.38`	`art3mis`	`and then 4 days of sunny or partly cloudy`
`17:56.49`	`art3mis`	`what day ya figure the snow is actually gonn show up ;)`
`17:57.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Today. You can have all of mine, art3mis.`
`17:57.15`	`art3mis`	`thanks!`
`17:57.45`	`kergoth`	`61 degrees out here :)`
`17:58.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`10 here.`
`18:00.00`	`Shirik`	`ok this is a new one`
`18:00.09`	`Shirik`	`you know how sometimes you can't take a shower because you don't have any hot water?`
`18:00.23`	`Shirik`	`I can't take a shower because apparently we've run out of cold water....`
`18:00.33`	`kergoth`	`err, how does that work?`
`18:00.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lobster-Shirik, someone get me the butter!`
`18:00.45`	`Shirik`	`I turned it all the way to cold and it's still burning hot... Only thing I can figure out is that the toilet keeps going and going so`
`18:00.50`	`Shirik`	`I guess it has priority on the cold water`
`18:00.52`	`Shirik`	`or something :p`
`18:01.00`	`Shirik`	`and the shower isn't getting any`
`18:02.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I sympathize with the shower! o.O`
`18:03.03`	`art3mis`	`~rimshot`
`18:03.04`	`purl`	`ba-dum CHH`
`18:03.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have to amuse myself somehow, guys.`
`18:03.22`	`art3mis`	`perhaps rimshot wasnt a good choice of words`
`18:03.46`	`Intangir`	`so.. whats up`
`18:03.53`	`Shirik`	`I don't think "amuse myself" was a good choice of words after that comment`
`18:04.06`	`art3mis`	`nah actually those are both good`
`18:04.12`	`art3mis`	`i just want pic proof ;P`
`18:05.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Go watch Debbie Does Dallas instead, it has a soundtrack.`
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`18:05.22`	`art3mis`	`seen it`
`18:05.35`	`art3mis`	`<-- managed a porn store for almost 2 years`
`18:05.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Classics never go out of style`
`18:05.55`	`art3mis`	`no but they do get boring`
`18:06.56`	`Intangir`	`wow..`
`18:07.50`	`art3mis`	`sides I'd take The Dinner Party or House of Dreams over DDD any day`
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`18:08.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hmm, I'd have to look those up for reference.`
`18:08.57`	`Intangir`	`is this a porn discussion?`
`18:09.03`	`art3mis`	`sorta`
`18:10.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But not really. shrug`
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`18:11.43`	`art3mis`	`peppy was talking about her rabbit has no batteries`
`18:11.51`	`art3mis`	`and it "snowballed" from there`
`18:11.56`	`alestane`	`I often have that problem.`
`18:11.56`	`art3mis`	`~rimshot`
`18:11.57`	`purl`	`ba-dum CHH`
`18:12.20`	`art3mis`	`has/having`
`18:12.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Um... I so did not mention any rabbits! laugh`
`18:12.25`	`alestane`	`Wheee codeine.`
`18:12.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That makes for a fun alestane, yes.`
`18:14.10`	`art3mis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:14.12`	`art3mis`	`err`
`18:14.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was wishing for a flying car this morning, a 20 minute commute took almost 2 hours.`
`18:14.56`	`alestane`	`I remember in high school, explaining to one of my programmer friends about a C construct that basically goes "(cond?func1:func2)(common, args)"...I'd found him at a party, I was asking him if I should be going over this now, and he's like, "Don't worry, man, I can code stoned..."`
`18:15.37`	`art3mis`	`everyone can code stoned`
`18:15.46`	`art3mis`	`not everyone, however, SHOULD do it`
`18:16.03`	`MoonWolf`	`terniary`
`18:16.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's a job requirement. It sometimes help to understand the marching symbols. Sort of like watching some of the Fantasia stoned.`
`18:16.40`	`art3mis`	`welp off to the office for me, back later`
`18:17.09`	`MoonWolf`	`usually the code you write stoned WORK but the solutions you created for problembs tend to make no sense.`
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`18:19.44`	`Lunessa`	`Coding stoned is like trying to pick up your keys with numb hands.`
`18:19.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's always amusing for someone watching, Lunessa.`
`18:21.38`	`sysrage`	`i always coded stoned.`
`18:22.06`	`sysrage`	`got a lot of good shit written`
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`18:23.03`	`alestane`	`MoonWolf: Yes, that's the C/C++ oddity known as the terniary operator. Business coding practices basically advise you to forget it exists and pretend you never learned it. You ca emulate it in Lua with "(cond and func1 or func2)(...)"`
`18:23.16`	`MoonWolf`	`i know`
`18:23.30`	`MoonWolf`	`i use it in php sometimes to get rid of really short ifs`
`18:23.35`	`MoonWolf`	`it confuses others a lot.`
`18:23.55`	`Industrial`	`so does foo = bar or baz :P`
`18:24.04`	`MoonWolf`	`not really`
`18:24.26`	`MoonWolf`	`you should have seen my class when my teacher first used return a > b`
`18:24.29`	`MoonWolf`	`they didn't get it.`
`18:25.09`	`Josh_Borke`	`you mean it's not left to right?!`
`18:25.10`	`alestane`	`I love it, because it functions as an expression rather than a statement.`
`18:25.37`	`alestane`	`What did they think it should do, return a and then compare that to b?`
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`18:26.24`	`MoonWolf`	`alestane, no they thought it should't work`
`18:26.48`	`MoonWolf`	`(he wasn't actually trying to show that, he simply used it somewhere else)`
`18:26.58`	`alestane`	`What language was this again?`
`18:27.05`	`MoonWolf`	`this was in c#`
`18:27.10`	`MoonWolf`	`but it makes no difference`
`18:27.18`	`MoonWolf`	`its a logical expression works in almost anything.`
`18:27.40`	`alestane`	`So booleans are like in C, right, integer values evaluated against 0?`
`18:28.48`	`alestane`	`I can only shudder in fear that these people might be writing our homeland security software in five years.`
`18:29.58`	`MoonWolf`	`ehe`
`18:30.08`	`MoonWolf`	`its school, they go there to learn.`
`18:31.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, is THAT what the kids at my college haven't figured out yet?`
`18:31.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They think they're there to sunbathe or ski.`
`18:31.37`	`alestane`	`One of the quirky things about C is that any given block of code is basically a single expression.`
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`18:33.36`	`alestane`	`Even the semicolon can be considered an operator in C.`
`18:33.42`	`Cide`	`~moo`
`18:33.42`	`purl`	`ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass`
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`18:36.47`	`alestane`	`Lopeppeppy: http://machall.com/view.php?date=2003-09-22`
`18:36.53`	`alestane`	`Ohnorobot is a goodness.`
`18:37.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`This also is goodness. http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cow`
`18:40.20`	`alestane`	`Well, that was disturbing.`
`18:41.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`it used to be linked with ~moo till some ass got rid of it`
`18:42.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`that's what reminded me of it. Cows With Guns is also devastating.`
`18:42.34`	`alestane`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/01/funny-pictures-pwned/`
`18:43.28`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: Do yourself a favor, get a copy of the game "Battle Cattle"`
`18:45.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If I did, Lunessa, I'd never get anything constructive done. Besides, my computer room is pretty off limits when I'm not working, I'd never get to play it!`
`18:46.01`	`Lunessa`	`It's not a computer game.`
`18:46.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, if I can play it in my allotted space, maybe I'll take a look at it.`
`18:46.39`	`Lunessa`	`You can play it on the dinner table.`
`18:46.53`	`Lunessa`	`Think "Car Wars" with cows.`
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`18:48.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I do not know "Car Wars" either. I told you I was shockingly innocent on some things.`
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`18:50.55`	`kergoth`	`hmm, you cant have multiple target='s in a single macro [] block right?`
`18:55.44`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: I forget, I'm an /old/ geek. It's a small game you play by outfitting cattle with armor and guns and then destroy your friends cattle with guns.`
`18:56.02`	`Lunessa`	`kergoth: no, not really`
`18:56.09`	`kergoth`	`okay, figured`
`18:56.30`	`kergoth`	`what happens if you do a /cast without a spell argument, or with a nonexistant spell name?`
`18:56.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm not un-old, Lunessa. 33? I just never played a lot of board games.`
`18:57.40`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: I'm a hard-core geek, actually not much older than yourself, but involved in board games, war games, rpgs, and computer gaming before they were "cool" and it makes me feel old sometimes. :)`
`18:58.03`	`Lunessa`	`kergoth: like /cast Null ?`
`18:58.08`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`18:58.17`	`Lunessa`	`Nothing.`
`18:58.23`	`kergoth`	`mmk, thatll do`
`18:58.53`	`Lukian`	`kergoth, yeah null works wonders in /castsequence macros :)`
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`18:59.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My brother did all of that, Lunessa. Sometimes I got to do it with him, mostly not.`
`18:59.42`	`kergoth`	`i bet. never really messed with castsequences much, but thats probably due to me mainly playing hunter & rogue, not a huge call for it`
`18:59.50`	`kergoth`	`wanted this macro to cast mend pet on my pet, if i have a harm mouseover or target, and as long as the pet doesnt have a target yet, so figured i'd try: /cast [target=pettarget,harm,nomod] null; [target=mouseover,harm,nomod] [harm,nomod] Mend Pet`
`19:01.50`	`Lunessa`	`Doesn't Mend Pet auto-target your pet anyway?`
`19:02.02`	`Lunessa`	`Like Helath Funnel does for warlocks?`
`19:02.44`	`kergoth`	`that macro doesnt target the pet for the cast`
`19:03.11`	`Lunessa`	`I mean, do you actually have to bother targeting the spell? Does the spell change your target?`
`19:03.28`	`kergoth`	`pretty sure it just casts on the pet regardless`
`19:03.43`	`Lunessa`	`And doesn't change your target at all, right?`
`19:03.48`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`19:04.55`	`Lunessa`	`And you're trying to only cast Mend Pet if you have a hostile target, hostile mouseover, or your pet has no target?`
`19:05.41`	`kergoth`	`i'm trying to cast it if either my mouseover or my target is hostile, -and- the pet has no target.. so if hte pet has a target, it wont be cast at all`
`19:06.05`	`kergoth`	`so i wanted to check if pettarget doesnt exist in both of the cast conditions.. but obviously you cant do that, so this works`
`19:06.09`	`cogwheel`	`use a few stopmacro commands`
`19:06.17`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah,`
`19:06.34`	`kergoth`	`yeah, but the macro does other stuff after this :) didnt want to stopmacro`
`19:06.44`	`cogwheel`	`so delegate it to another macro`
`19:07.53`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:08.17`	`Lunessa`	`I think most players who ask for very complex macros are asking to have their interface reduced to a single [ I WIN! ] button. I mash 1, and it does everything. chuckle`
`19:08.32`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`19:08.58`	`kergoth`	`cogwheel: ah, i see what you mean. thanks, that makes it simpler. didnt think of that :)`
`19:08.59`	`Lukian`	`that's how I play my warlock :D`
`19:09.08`	`cogwheel`	`Lunessa: and I'm ashamed at how many people I've given exactly that with MacroSequence :(`
`19:09.32`	`Cide`	`I don't see how that would be even fun`
`19:09.39`	`Lunessa`	`cogwheel: I think MacroSequence is BRILLIANT. I just don't have any use for it personally.`
`19:09.40`	`Cide`	`s/be even/even be/`
`19:11.19`	`cladhaire`	`Quality and customer service are the highest priorities for Blizzard Entertainment. Because we cannot guarantee a positive gaming experience for users connecting to servers outside the supported region, we do not support use outside of the designated region. I recommend that, if possible, you acquire a localized version of the game for a more positive gaming experience.`
`19:11.25`	`cladhaire`	`It is not possible to transfer an account or an authentication key between regions. In addition, there is no way to deactivate an account or authentication key in one region to re-create the account in another. Characters and items are non-transferable, as well.`
`19:11.28`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, I might be able to fake up the auto-potion/healthstone thingy...`
`19:11.33`	`cladhaire`	`I can't help but feel AutoTOCPoster'd :P`
`19:11.47`	`cogwheel`	`;)`
`19:12.23`	`cogwheel`	`lern2notgotocollegesofaraway`
`19:12.41`	`cogwheel`	`imo`
`19:12.45`	`cladhaire`	`lua> 36 * 12.99`
`19:12.46`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 467.64`
`19:12.56`	`alestane`	`kergoth: You don't even need a null back there. /cast [target=pettarget,harm,nomod] null; [target=mouseover,harm,nomod] [harm,nomod] Mend Pet`
`19:13.03`	`cladhaire`	`plus the cost of the game, and the expansion`
`19:13.06`	`alestane`	`er`
`19:13.16`	`alestane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:13.20`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`19:13.22`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`19:13.23`	`cladhaire`	`so I've spent about $500, plus my playtime working on the account.. and I'm just supposed to up and re-roll. Seems shitty =/`
`19:13.46`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: ugh, that sucks :(`
`19:14.08`	`alestane`	`You trying to get onto the EU servers?`
`19:14.14`	`cladhaire`	`alestane: aye`
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`19:14.28`	`cladhaire`	`i suppose i could pay transfer to _some_ server that has an active pvp scene during GMT`
`19:14.38`	`cladhaire`	`but I've not found any server that comes close`
`19:14.53`	`cladhaire`	`and I have to deal with latency problems when I head to the US that I don't have in the EU`
`19:15.02`	`cladhaire`	`I get like 20ms latency on EU, and 200+ on US`
`19:15.12`	`cladhaire`	`admittedly, not bad in either case, but that's assuming I can find someone to partner with`
`19:16.27`	`Lukian`	`200 isn't bad :p`
`19:16.33`	`Lukian`	`oceanics have a min of about 280`
`19:17.04`	`cladhaire`	`but they have servers that operate in their time zone :P`
`19:17.18`	`Lukian`	`they don't`
`19:17.34`	`Lukian`	`they operate in the US, and have their clocks set to GMT+10 :p`
`19:17.37`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`19:17.40`	`cladhaire`	`im' not talking abotu time clock`
`19:17.42`	`cladhaire`	`that means nothing to me`
`19:17.45`	`Lukian`	`hehe`
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`19:17.45`	`cladhaire`	`I'm talking abotu when peopel are on the server`
`19:17.48`	`Lukian`	`yeah true`
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`19:18.03`	`cladhaire`	`I have to find someone to PvP with... at 5:00pm EST`
`19:18.05`	`cladhaire`	`that's ass.`
`19:18.06`	`Lukian`	`maintenance / restarts always happen at peakfor us :p`
`19:18.11`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`19:18.17`	`cladhaire`	`i'd take it over my current situation =(`
`19:18.41`	`Lukian`	`EST is GMT-?`
`19:18.45`	`cladhaire`	`-5`
`19:18.47`	`cogwheel`	`5`
`19:18.48`	`cladhaire`	`hrm.. GMT+10.. so I'd need to find an early morning PVP team if i went to an Oceania server`
`19:19.14`	`Lukian`	`you'd get to play with the singaporeans`
`19:19.18`	`Lukian`	`that's all that's on that early`
`19:19.23`	`Lukian`	`very quiet horus`
`19:19.26`	`Lukian`	`hours*`
`19:19.34`	`cladhaire`	`Ah, so no relief for me there`
`19:19.47`	`cladhaire`	`how about the IRC channel helps me powerlevel a druid on an EU account`
`19:20.02`	`cladhaire`	`clearly sharing my password and login is okay.. if everyone on the IRC channel has it, no?`
`19:20.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`cladhaire: gief me your US account :-P`
`19:20.21`	`cladhaire`	`neg`
`19:20.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`aff`
`19:21.08`	`Cide`	`do you even have an EU account yet?`
`19:21.13`	`Lukian`	`"I swear Mr GM, I didn't share my account, I just accidently posted the details on IRC and all these people started playing my character"`
`19:21.26`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: Yes.. its trial at the moment`
`19:21.30`	`cladhaire`	`but I have 10 levels until I can't level anymore :P`
`19:21.31`	`Cide`	`ah`
`19:21.36`	`cladhaire`	`and plenty of bank space for ore and herbalism`
`19:21.41`	`cladhaire`	`err skinning`
`19:21.48`	`cladhaire`	`since I can't use the AH on a trial account`
`19:22.03`	`cladhaire`	`I'm trying to avoid shelling out the ridiculous amount of money required for an account in the EU`
`19:22.12`	`Lukian`	`can you form a guiild with a trial account and make a guild bank? XD`
`19:22.15`	`cladhaire`	`but that email basically confirms that I'm effed in the A`
`19:22.17`	`Lukian`	`(that'd be a fun one to try)`
`19:22.22`	`cladhaire`	`Lukian: yeah i believe you can`
`19:22.29`	`Lukian`	`100G in the first 20 levels -- with no trade.`
`19:22.31`	`Lukian`	`haha`
`19:22.35`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`19:22.39`	`cladhaire`	`110`
`19:22.46`	`cladhaire`	`err no`
`19:22.48`	`cladhaire`	`thats tabard, not charter`
`19:22.54`	`cladhaire`	`its 10s for charter isn't it.`
`19:23.06`	`Lukian`	`yeah`
`19:23.16`	`Lukian`	`was there a cost to handin the charter too?`
`19:23.31`	`cladhaire`	`to buy, not to turn in`
`19:24.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Today just seems to be a "You're effed" kinda day.`
`19:24.58`	`cladhaire`	`it _almost_ makes me want to stop playing`
`19:25.22`	`cladhaire`	`cause the _solo_ game is not very fun`
`19:25.37`	`cogwheel`	`iyo`
`19:25.42`	`cladhaire`	`iyo your face!`
`19:26.21`	`cogwheel`	`leveling r teh phun`
`19:26.55`	`cladhaire`	`I have a 70 Druid, 70 Priest, 68 Hunter, 60 Rogue, 40 Warlock, 38 Mage, 21 Paladin, 12 Shaman and 10 Warrior`
`19:27.03`	`cladhaire`	`that's just on one server`
`19:27.14`	`cladhaire`	`so I enjoy leveling just fine`
`19:27.20`	`cladhaire`	`but I've been doing it for 3 years now :P`
`19:27.35`	`Lukian`	`70 druid, 69 paladin, 64 warlock and hunter, 29 shaman :)`
`19:27.43`	`Lukian`	`all on the same server too`
`19:28.03`	`cladhaire`	`I've got about 60 levels of characters spread across other servers`
`19:28.05`	`\|Jelly\|`	`70 priest 70 priest <-- shows you that I enjoy pain`
`19:28.05`	`cladhaire`	`two level 12s on Draka for testing purposes :P`
`19:28.14`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, I have lots of alts too, but eventually I feel one of three things 1. Sick of these goram quests, 2. would rather be doing something I'm probably neglecting on a higher level character, 3. I'm mashed up against the level cap anyway, and I can't seem to break the raiding wall...`
`19:28.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I run into... 4) Why was I doing this again, shouldn't I go looking for an apartment?`
`19:28.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, ping`
`19:29.00`	`cladhaire`	`I was in a really good raiding guild, casual enough that I could put in 100% of the required time, and full of good people (Legacy of Stell core) and I'm quite well geared and skilled in PvP.`
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`19:29.06`	`cladhaire`	`But you can't 1v1 arena :P`
`19:29.45`	`Lunessa`	`cladhaire: I'd invite you to hang with us, but a) we're GMT -6, b) we're not uber enough.`
`19:30.01`	`cladhaire`	`heh.. -6 would be a sad story`
`19:30.20`	`cladhaire`	`my teammates were always "Hey.. can you log in at 8 server time?"..`
`19:30.26`	`Lunessa`	`The core usually plays late night anyway.`
`19:30.34`	`cladhaire`	`yeah sure, 2am.. i only have to teach in the morning, let me get right on that :P`
`19:30.50`	`Lunessa`	`But still ... it would suck for you since no one is on.`
`19:31.13`	`Lunessa`	`We have a guy in the guild from South Africa and I feel bad for him since hardly anyone is around when he can play.`
`19:31.13`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`19:31.19`	`cladhaire`	`ive got _great_ people in my guild`
`19:31.25`	`cladhaire`	`Team Canada ftw`
`19:31.41`	`cladhaire`	`but the only peopel I ever see are the German guy, and the unemployed!`
`19:31.53`	`cladhaire`	`the hawaiians are occasionally on too, I suppose`
`19:31.56`	`Cide`	`you could play with me but I'm pretty sure our classes are incompatible :P`
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`19:32.28`	`cladhaire`	`I could level my hunter or rogue :P`
`19:32.31`	`cladhaire`	`but i have no gear`
`19:32.38`	`cladhaire`	`and I'm sure you have a 2v2 :P`
`19:33.04`	`cladhaire`	`I'm willing to put in the PvP grinding time for the BG gear I need, but I really only want to have to do that once`
`19:33.14`	`cladhaire`	`cmon.. 2 disc/holy priests would RULE in pvp`
`19:33.18`	`cladhaire`	`prayeroflol`
`19:33.22`	`Cide`	`a friend of mine tried that`
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`19:33.39`	`Cide`	`he got to like 1750 and was at 16-1`
`19:33.49`	`cladhaire`	`haha`
`19:33.51`	`Cide`	`until they started facing good druid/warlock teams`
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`19:35.18`	`Lunessa`	`We had a group of folks who want to do 5-mans with 5 disc/holy priests.`
`19:35.38`	`Saint-N`	`we did a 15priest ubrs back int eh day`
`19:35.48`	`Saint-N`	`sooooo much fun`
`19:35.50`	`cladhaire`	`the best part of my email.. was "I will pay for another account.. I'll get 6 months in advance.. I'll spend as much money as you think is reasonable, just PLS let me transfer _something_.`
`19:35.56`	`Saint-N`	`took about 35mins start to finish`
`19:37.13`	`Lukian`	`so they just said reroll, cladhaire ? :/`
`19:37.31`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`19:37.47`	`\|Jelly\|`	`in game code to go back to JPG is?`
`19:38.05`	`cladhaire`	`urm /console screenshotFormat JPG`
`19:38.06`	`cladhaire`	`i think`
`19:38.34`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yup. Thanks! :)`
`19:39.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Just raiding group angst. People am so dumb.`
`19:39.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`Saint-N, that ended up being a beta VB 2005 :(`
`19:41.04`	`Lunessa`	`I see dumb people. They're walking around all the time, like you and me. They don't even know they're dumb.`
`19:41.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's very sad. Someone should tell them, guide them on.`
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`19:42.29`	`cogwheel`	`boss just handed the bookkeeper this year's bonuses...`
`19:42.56`	`kergoth`	`good luck`
`19:43.44`	`cladhaire`	`good luck!`
`19:47.00`	`kergoth`	`what are the assist and main tank units called for blizz's raid stuff?`
`19:47.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm...lol? http://www.codeplex.com/WarcraftAddOnStudio`
`19:47.22`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: they aren't units.`
`19:47.27`	`cladhaire`	`Thunder_Child: welcome to weeks ago`
`19:47.30`	`cladhaire`	`why is it lol?`
`19:47.56`	`kergoth`	`ah. how do you assist the main assist in a macro then?`
`19:47.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`unlike most people i use ? as ?`
`19:48.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`so it was a question`
`19:48.16`	`cladhaire`	`"laughing out loud?"`
`19:48.21`	`cladhaire`	`not sure that's a question ;-)`
`19:48.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`more like, is it funny`
`19:48.33`	`cladhaire`	`no, its a cool IDE`
`19:48.37`	`cladhaire`	`rough around the edges in places`
`19:48.41`	`cladhaire`	`but VS is powerful, no one denies that`
`19:48.47`	`cladhaire`	`having that leveraged in a domain specific IDE is pretty neat`
`19:49.42`	`kergoth`	`huh, that looks pretty cool actually. i wouldnt use it, not an ide kind of guy, but i'm sure itd be useful to quite a few people`
`19:50.09`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: I think we're working on including the API reference for the book in the intellisense, which will be very cool`
`19:50.19`	`cladhaire`	`right now it just completed on function name, we'd be able to provide full param lists.`
`19:50.26`	`cladhaire`	`not sure where that stands at the moment`
`19:51.10`	`Josh_Borke`	`kergoth: you write the main assists name in a macro :-D`
`19:51.16`	`kergoth`	`bah :)`
`19:52.13`	`Lunessa`	`Or... you use main tank windows from your raid addon?`
`19:53.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Is there a mod that will simply put my chat tabs...on the bottom of my chat frame?`
`19:56.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hmm.... that's one I haven't heard of, \|Jelly\|.`
`19:56.15`	`MoonWolf`	`none that i know of.`
`20:01.48`	`kergoth`	`hmm, wonder how much threat scorpid sting generates`
`20:02.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`of your total? or just the spell itself`
`20:03.49`	`kergoth`	`was just curious, when trapping a mob, if itd ever be worth hitting them with a scorpid in case the trap breaks early to reduce the damage taken, if itd interfere with the tanking pulling them off of you later`
`20:03.59`	`Lukian`	`hey kergoth what level is your hunter? you mentioned you don't use castsequence`
`20:04.16`	`kergoth`	`I don't use my 70 hunter for any raids or anything, mostly just my farmer`
`20:04.45`	`Cide`	`castsequence is for lazy people who need to L2P`
`20:04.46`	`Lukian`	`hmm, still though, a macro for shot rotations makes timing a hell of a lot easier`
`20:04.47`	`Cide`	`imo.`
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`20:05.39`	`Lukian`	`Cide, yeah right.. like i'm going to keybind my spells and remember them on 4 different characters`
`20:05.50`	`Cide`	`I do?`
`20:06.11`	`kergoth`	`i did use a macro for autoshot / steady for a bit, now just hitting them manually and using http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7836-SorrensEasyRotations.html to keep an eye on things`
`20:06.19`	`Lukian`	`well you have a better memory then :p`
`20:06.32`	`Cide`	`apparently you need to L2P ;)`
`20:07.16`	`Lukian`	`kergoth, yeah, I tried without a castseqence and with 400ms lag you have to pay far to much attention`
`20:07.50`	`Lukian`	`sEasyRotations is a fantastic addon`
`20:08.51`	`Lukian`	`Cide, what classes / specs are you playing? :)`
`20:09.07`	`kergoth`	`yeah, being able to -see- the rotation is a huge help imo. before i was never -sure- when i delayed my autoshot, but with that, you can see the gap`
`20:09.22`	`cladhaire`	`i need to download that for my huntard`
`20:09.24`	`Cide`	`holy/disc priest, druid (3 forms), shadow priest (2 forms), warrior`
`20:09.53`	`cladhaire`	`what do you mean by X forms?`
`20:09.56`	`Lukian`	`all of those are 'easy' in terms of number of commonly uses spells :p`
`20:10.05`	`Lukian`	`used`
`20:10.09`	`Cide`	`I'd disagree`
`20:10.14`	`cladhaire`	`I disagree with that entirely`
`20:10.20`	`cladhaire`	`hunters are absurdly easy in their spell rotations.`
`20:10.27`	`Lukian`	`hehe true`
`20:10.31`	`Cide`	`cladhaire: druids have three sets of main action bars to memorize`
`20:10.34`	`Cide`	`shadow priests have two`
`20:10.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've been scared to level my hunter past 43.`
`20:10.40`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: ah yeah`
`20:10.44`	`cladhaire`	`Lopeppeppy: too easy for you? :P`
`20:11.03`	`kergoth`	`i love farmingw ith my hunter.. toss a sting and send the pet in.. go let the dog out, grab a soda... come back, loot..`
`20:11.26`	`Lukian`	`kergoth, on what, an elite? :p`
`20:11.37`	`Lukian`	`your dps would own any normal mob :D`
`20:11.39`	`kergoth`	`well yeah, they're the only ones that last that long`
`20:11.40`	`Cide`	`no, a raid boss`
`20:11.45`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`20:11.56`	`Lukian`	`Cide, haha`
`20:12.04`	`Lukian`	`that is so true for some of them`
`20:13.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Dr. Boom?`
`20:14.04`	`End`	`you could -wand- Dr. Boom to death if you wanted :P`
`20:14.07`	`End`	`he's hardly dangerous`
`20:14.25`	`End`	`(granted, it'd take a long time...)`
`20:14.45`	`Industrial`	`wand is actually best dps at that elvel`
`20:14.46`	`Industrial`	`ehhe :P`
`20:14.49`	`Industrial`	`(for a caster)`
`20:14.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I understand that a lot of ranged classes use him to measure DPS, practice rotations, etc.`
`20:15.01`	`End`	`yea`
`20:15.19`	`End`	`him being not very dangerous and having a TON of health is why'`
`20:15.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Makes sense, he just stands there.`
`20:15.38`	`End`	`if you stand on the rocks above him, you wont get attacked by his bomblings`
`20:15.55`	`End`	`actually, I'm not sure how far his bomblings run`
`20:16.03`	`End`	`but I always land above him anyways`
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`20:19.27`	`Lunessa`	`heh, I did his quest pre-flying mount on a melee toon. Ouch.`
`20:19.48`	`Industrial`	`how do you leave eots >_>`
`20:19.58`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:20.00`	`nevcairiel`	`./afk`
`20:20.17`	`nevcairiel`	`i bet the minimap icon has a leave option too`
`20:20.38`	`Industrial`	`k`
`20:23.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`\|Jelly\|, where did you put it?`
`20:23.25`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I hid it under your bed. It's being protected by the boogy man.`
`20:23.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'll have you know I vacuumed under there this week. Oogie Boogie has relocated.`
`20:24.30`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lol`
`20:25.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Seriously -- did you deliberately hide it in JellyUI, or am I mental and not able to find it?`
`20:25.24`	`\|Jelly\|`	`What?`
`20:25.35`	`\|Jelly\|`	`right click SMM and show it.`
`20:25.47`	`Lukian`	`\|Jelly\|, let your girl take care of her own addons :p`
`20:26.01`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Lukian: Fall in a well?`
`20:26.15`	`Lukian`	`that's where you'll be if you don't ^_^`
`20:26.27`	`\|Jelly\|`	`A well?`
`20:26.33`	`\|Jelly\|`	`...that doesn't make sense...`
`20:26.49`	`Lukian`	`well, hole, pit, try other synonyms too.`
`20:26.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm confused, but okay. Thanks for the command, Jelly, I'm a SMM nooblet.`
`20:27.05`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Still doesn't make sense.`
`20:28.14`	`Rayne`	`crap I just got owned -_-`
`20:29.34`	`Rayne`	`I just about finished soloing some group quest on my druid when the mob ran away after he stunned me and agrod 3 more`
`20:29.57`	`Rayne`	`Shapeshift out to heal, didnt have enough to switch back. gg`
`20:30.09`	`Lukian`	`that's what pots are for :)`
`20:30.20`	`Rayne`	`CD :(`
`20:30.27`	`Lukian`	`:(`
`20:30.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ugh.`
`20:31.44`	`cladhaire`	`warstomp fw :P`
`20:31.46`	`cladhaire`	`ftw even`
`20:31.59`	`cladhaire`	`saved me so many times`
`20:32.20`	`Rayne`	`im alli`
`20:32.21`	`Rayne`	`lol`
`20:32.42`	`cladhaire`	`lrn2tauren imo`
`20:32.48`	`Rayne`	`I wish.`
`20:32.55`	`Rayne`	`Ive spent too much time on my alli toons`
`20:33.00`	`Lukian`	`shapeshift to break stun and root? :)`
`20:33.09`	`cladhaire`	`Lukian: no, to stun the mobs hitting you`
`20:33.14`	`cladhaire`	`so you have enough time to pot and shift`
`20:33.21`	`Rayne`	`Lukian: Still wouldnt save me with 3 other mobs on me :(`
`20:33.29`	`Lukian`	`cladhaire, that was an alternate suggestion :)`
`20:33.33`	`cladhaire`	`ah okay :P`
`20:33.35`	`Lukian`	`Rayne, travel form! :D`
`20:33.43`	`Rayne`	`Indoors :P`
`20:33.47`	`cladhaire`	`Shadowmeld used to be nice on my preest`
`20:33.47`	`Lukian`	`ouch!`
`20:33.53`	`cladhaire`	`when i could avoid goign into combat`
`20:33.57`	`cladhaire`	`"wait.. we're gonna wipe cause of some idiot"`
`20:33.58`	`Rayne`	`yeah`
`20:34.03`	`Rayne`	`<3 Shadowmeld`
`20:34.07`	`Lukian`	`haha`
`20:34.11`	`Beladona`	`taurens are bad for the environment`
`20:34.20`	`Rayne`	`Actually my favorite is just standing out of agro range and watching them go down`
`20:34.21`	`Rayne`	`lol`
`20:34.27`	`Lukian`	`Beladona, so cook up some more beef`
`20:34.44`	`Beladona`	`methane emissions are tearing up the ozone`
`20:34.46`	`Rayne`	`I wonder how hard it would be to make Burnt Black Cherry more Druid / Shaman friendly...`
`20:35.12`	`Rayne`	`would probably have to start from scratch :/`
`20:35.35`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Why? Just incorporate the class bar / totem bar`
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`20:35.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes that's a good thing, Rayne.`
`20:36.09`	`Rayne`	`\|Jelly\|: All the BBC Version dont use Class Bars`
`20:36.18`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So?`
`20:36.22`	`Rayne`	`ive never liked em`
`20:36.30`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[14:35]<\|Jelly\|>Why? Just incorporate the class bar / totem bar`
`20:36.43`	`Rayne`	`Cause im a pain in the ass, better answer? :P`
`20:37.11`	`Rayne`	`~throatpunch`
`20:37.11`	`purl`	`ACTION punches rayne in the throat.`
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`20:39.18`	`Rayne`	`My cat is attacking my screen everytime he sees my wisp spirit`
`20:39.34`	`Lukian`	`My cat swats at my boars tail`
`20:39.41`	`Lukian`	`and any wings`
`20:40.16`	`Rayne`	`now he knocked my speakers over`
`20:40.19`	`Rayne`	`great`
`20:40.24`	`Lukian`	`haha`
`20:40.27`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So beat his ass.`
`20:40.29`	`Lukian`	`trying to rub against them?`
`20:41.13`	`Rayne`	`yeah hes just being loving`
`20:41.15`	`Rayne`	`and not caring`
`20:41.26`	`Rayne`	`if he wanted to be a pain he do what he did yesterdau`
`20:41.31`	`Cide`	`I need a mod for displaying my spells' cooldowns -- suggestions?`
`20:41.37`	`Rayne`	`and try to drag off my mouse`
`20:42.14`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Cide: OmniCC or Hourglass are the ones I like.`
`20:42.25`	`Cide`	`screenshots?`
`20:42.32`	`\|Jelly\|`	`ummm`
`20:42.39`	`Rayne`	`Hourglass is a good one yeah`
`20:42.50`	`\|Jelly\|`	`imagine one as a number count down on your action button and the other is a bar.`
`20:42.50`	`kergoth`	`i use dotimer myself, it has a cooldowns addon too`
`20:43.24`	`Cide`	`see, ace addons fucking need screenshots`
`20:43.52`	`Rayne`	`nah`
`20:43.55`	`Cide`	`yes, they do`
`20:44.15`	`Cide`	`anything else is bad design`
`20:44.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Does your imagination fail? One is no shit, numbers on your action button counting down and the other is a bar counting down. :-\`
`20:44.25`	`Cide`	`I have the numbers already`
`20:44.47`	`Cide`	`the bar counting down can either look good, or bad, or have a lot of configuration options or just a few (or none)`
`20:44.58`	`Cide`	`it can also flash when a cooldown is up, or it can not flash`
`20:45.08`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Well, would you like a screenshot of the bars?`
`20:45.17`	`Cide`	`I'm logging in to try it now, thanks though`
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`20:45.29`	`Cide`	`(the fact that it's not readily available annoys me)`
`20:46.00`	`Cide`	`oh, Hourglass errors when using it`
`20:46.08`	`cladhaire`	`"Ace: Where the addons have nonsense names, and no screenshots. Download and install all of them!"`
`20:46.09`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`20:46.12`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Works for me. :-\`
`20:46.32`	`Cide`	`and also doesn't list PW:S`
`20:46.39`	`Lukian`	`cladhaire, most of them have a description`
`20:46.48`	`cladhaire`	`I would challenge that assertion :P`
`20:47.06`	`Cide`	`hourglass: "Shows bars to help you track your cooldowns"`
`20:47.07`	`Lukian`	`I didn't say it was a particularly good description :)`
`20:47.12`	`Cide`	`sweet. thanks`
`20:47.19`	`cladhaire`	`i agree that over 51% of the addons have descriptions`
`20:47.25`	`cladhaire`	`but there is an absurdly large percentage that have nothing :P`
`20:47.41`	`Cide`	`I would argue that less than 25% have useful descriptions`
`20:47.54`	`Cide`	`InBank: "How many are in your bank?"`
`20:47.56`	`Rayne`	`Prowl, Pounce Bleed, Claw, Rake, Faerie Fire, Fericious Bite, Done.`
`20:47.57`	`End`	`most have a name that is vaguely related in such a way that is no help if you are looking for something :P`
`20:48.00`	`Cide`	`nice context there, buddy`
`20:48.01`	`Rayne`	`Rinse and repeat.`
`20:48.05`	`Lunessa`	`files.wowace.com suffers from the "hey it works for me" syndrome. Authors didn't really write their addons for anyone else, so ....`
`20:48.43`	`Cide`	`then they shouldn't be up on the files.wowace.com page`
`20:49.16`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`20:49.22`	`cladhaire`	`this conversation could go on for months :P`
`20:49.31`	`Cide`	`as it should, until it's fixed :)`
`20:50.48`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah, you'd be amazed at how little thought some folks put into their software. ?shudder/`
`20:53.05`	`cladhaire`	`shit 11,000 revisions to sync`
`20:53.41`	`cladhaire`	`i should probably sync more often`
`20:56.56`	`cncfanatics`	`Lunessa, then make your own ?`
`20:57.13`	`Cide`	`that's a stupid argument imo`
`20:57.37`	`Lunessa`	`cncfanatics: I do. :) And since I don't write it for other people, it's a god-awful mess I would never support. :P`
`20:58.03`	`cncfanatics`	`Lunessa :)`
`20:58.11`	`cncfanatics`	`personaly, I put everything remotely useful I code online`
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`20:58.15`	`cncfanatics`	`if someone can get any use from it, the better`
`20:58.54`	`Lunessa`	`i'm lazy. Anything more complex than a macro is unlikely to be published by me because I don't want to work at supporting it.`
`20:59.15`	`Lunessa`	`And if I released something, my own sense of right/wrong would require me to support it.`
`20:59.27`	`cncfanatics`	`it would ?`
`20:59.33`	`cncfanatics`	`I support one addon I release only, and thats FB`
`20:59.43`	`cncfanatics`	`for the rest, people can use it or leave it as they want :p`
`21:00.48`	`Lunessa`	`I'm OCD like that.`
`21:04.46`	`Rayne`	`hmmm`
`21:05.24`	`Rayne`	`im taking to my buddies in gchat about a druid type UI and someone said make a giant autohiden tranquility button over the minimap`
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`21:06.37`	`Rayne`	`which actually isnt a stupidly bad idea`
`21:07.02`	`cladhaire`	`define "autohidden"`
`21:07.15`	`Rayne`	`like it shows up on mouseover`
`21:07.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Bartender's Fadeout`
`21:07.27`	`Rayne`	`ty Jelly`
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`21:08.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I don't think you can get a button that big though, depending on your map scale, of course.`
`21:08.39`	`cladhaire`	`minimap`
`21:08.49`	`cladhaire`	`and you can make any button as big as you want :P`
`21:08.51`	`cladhaire`	`with trickery`
`21:08.54`	`cladhaire`	`if necessary`
`21:09.00`	`\|Jelly\|`	`You see, there's the problem.`
`21:09.16`	`nevcairiel`	`there is a max setting for the scale`
`21:09.19`	`nevcairiel`	`so, dunno =P`
`21:09.29`	`cladhaire`	`boo`
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`21:09.46`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Just tried Bartender and at 200%, it's only about 60-70% of my map.`
`21:09.58`	`nevcairiel`	`actually, i think you can use the cha tinterface to overwrite the max limit`
`21:10.06`	`nevcairiel`	`sliders just need a max value to be sane =P`
`21:10.08`	`Rayne`	`I usually run a smaller scale, like 70% for minimaps`
`21:10.34`	`Rayne`	`my god I love being a druid`
`21:10.45`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Me too. I miss my druid.`
`21:11.08`	`Neebler`	`with a name like rayne? who would of guessed`
`21:12.26`	`Rayne`	`My druid is one of the only characters I own without 'Abso' in the name`
`21:13.05`	`Rayne`	`er, Absolut*`
`21:13.23`	`cladhaire`	`mine are all the irish name of the class`
`21:13.27`	`cladhaire`	`save two :P`
`21:13.54`	`Rayne`	`Absolutrayne, Absolutsin, Absolutrange...`
`21:13.55`	`cladhaire`	`Rogue, Priest, Druid, Hunter, Warlock -> Cladhaire, Sagart, Draoi, Sealgaire, Mallaithe`
`21:14.17`	`Rayne`	`Warrior, Warlock, Hunter`
`21:14.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I wanna change Jelly's name...but I think I would miss it .. even though I fucking hate EVERYONE that's all "PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME"`
`21:14.28`	`Rayne`	`and now my dr00d, Secondnature :P`
`21:14.53`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Most of my character names are random names because I get frustrated at every name I want being taken. lol`
`21:15.28`	`Rayne`	`The best druid name ive seen is probably Colinferel`
`21:15.37`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26)`
`21:16.16`	`Rayne`	`theres a WillFerral on KJ too I think`
`21:16.18`	`cladhaire`	`!c us stormrage wilferal`
`21:16.20`	`ThraeBot`	`cladhaire: Wilferal, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/47/14). 8184 HP; 5375 Mana; 121 mana regen; 36 mp5; 4537 Armour; 1186 AP; 170.300 Melee DPS; 29.73% melee crit; 110 melee hit; 42.31% dodge; 19 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1626 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2a4w85 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ch3ec ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:21:21 2008 EST ]]`
`21:16.26`	`cladhaire`	`my guildmate :P`
`21:17.04`	`cladhaire`	`42.31% dodge`
`21:17.04`	`Rayne`	`hang on I got a good one for you...`
`21:17.05`	`cladhaire`	`secks`
`21:17.26`	`Rayne`	`!c us Kil'jaeden Oprawindfuri`
`21:17.28`	`ThraeBot`	`Rayne: Oprawindfuri, Level 63 Draenei Shaman (0/50/4). 5880 HP; 3834 Mana; 100 mana regen; 9 mp5; 3561 Armour; 646 AP; 96.000 Melee DPS; 17.82% melee crit; 210 +spell dmg; 242 +heal; 13.59% dodge; 4.96% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 601 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/246xqn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dkjy5 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:22:29 2008 EST ]]`
`21:17.40`	`Rayne`	`everytime I see him hes getting camped`
`21:17.53`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion Jelly`
`21:17.55`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 01:22:38 2008 EST ]][[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bg5dv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36pszu ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 01:22:38 2008 EST ]]`
`21:17.57`	`\|Jelly\|`	`asl;dfj`
`21:18.03`	`cladhaire`	`we have a shaman with a similar name`
`21:18.08`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us velen shalyn`
`21:18.09`	`bleeter`	`jelly teh nubstick!`
`21:18.10`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Shalyn, Level 61 Night Elf Druid: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ydp6q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3asae8 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:23:10 2008 EST ]]`
`21:18.26`	`Rayne`	`I have a druid on I think Blackrock named Mooganfreeman`
`21:18.50`	`Rayne`	`its on BLackrock or Tich`
`21:19.14`	`Lunessa`	`I was shocked at how many people used my "Unkle" spelling.`
`21:20.19`	`bleeter`	`Lunessa: Unkle is a brit musical outfit started 1994 ;)`
`21:20.27`	`Rayne`	`!c us Kil'jaeden Absolutrayne`
`21:20.30`	`ThraeBot`	`Rayne: Absolutrayne, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqvlgu ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33d6oc ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:25:31 2008 EST ]]`
`21:20.37`	`Rayne`	`sigh`
`21:20.40`	`\|Jelly\|`	`FREAKING NUB`
`21:20.45`	`bleeter`	`no u`
`21:20.58`	`Lunessa`	`Interesting. I was using it a "Translation error for uncle" for a barbarian shaman in EQ in '97`
`21:21.15`	`Rayne`	`!c us Kil'jaeden nayri`
`21:21.17`	`ThraeBot`	`Rayne: Nayri, Level 70 Human Warlock: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yo6fgv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jg5lu ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:26:17 2008 EST ]]`
`21:21.26`	`Rayne`	`wow thats awesome, she was on like 3 hours ago.`
`21:21.33`	`Rayne`	`Why is armory so broken`
`21:21.35`	`Lunessa`	`And so you can laugh at me, it's Kirin Tor Unkle`
`21:21.41`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Jelly is ... on right now. lol`
`21:21.53`	`Rayne`	`I bet it doesnt get my druids info`
`21:22.00`	`Rayne`	`!c us Kil'jaeden secondnature`
`21:22.02`	`ThraeBot`	`Rayne: Secondnature, Level 32 Night Elf Druid (0/23/0). 1161 HP; 1399 Mana; 82 mana regen; 38.700 Melee DPS; 10.41% melee crit; 20.04% dodge; 5 arcane resist; 15 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 117 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zjwpt ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dtmus ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:27:02 2008 EST ]]`
`21:22.06`	`Rayne`	`oh wow it did`
`21:22.26`	`bleeter`	`!c us thorium brotherhood ewewish`
`21:22.27`	`ThraeBot`	`bleeter: Ewewish, Level 61 Night Elf Druid: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hgh63 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3cq7b2 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:27:28 2008 EST ]]`
`21:23.27`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge KarlThePagan (n=andross@lanip-170-65.go180.net)`
`21:24.05`	`bleeter`	`I also 'like' how thraebot spells armory two different ways, I guess so as to not offend !enUS folks`
`21:24.15`	`Rayne`	`!c us Kil'jaeden Moodib`
`21:24.17`	`ThraeBot`	`Rayne: Moodib, Level 70 Tauren Shaman: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2eyhut ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35qhzo ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:29:18 2008 EST ]]`
`21:24.23`	`Rayne`	`aoiigfihgawpwapgaah`
`21:24.33`	`bleeter`	`!c us thorium brotherhood nohrmahl`
`21:24.35`	`ThraeBot`	`bleeter: Nohrmahl, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (4/45/12). 7378 HP; 5563 Mana; 108 mana regen; 22 mp5; 3962 Armour; 1217 AP; 180.100 Melee DPS; 11.40% melee crit; 44 melee hit; 1360 RAP; 266.30 Ranged DPS; 17.67% ranged crit; 44 ranged hit; 35 +spell dmg/heal; 10.59% dodge; 33 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1136 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yu857a ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2phsc9 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:29`
`21:24.51`	`bleeter`	`lolz my around town crap gear`
`21:29.58`	`cladhaire`	`DON'T TASE ME BRO`
`21:30.14`	`cladhaire`	`NSFW: http://fleshbot.com/sex/dvds/dvd-review-the-da-vinci-load-162373.php`
`21:30.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`~tase cladhaire`
`21:30.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`purl, taser cladhaire`
`21:30.26`	`purl`	`ACTION stuns cladhaire with a taser, then drags cladhaire out into the middle of highway 666`
`21:30.40`	`Lunessa`	`headdesk`
`21:32.06`	`Rayne`	`sigh`
`21:32.15`	`Rayne`	`Warrior Tanking >>>>>>>> Druid tanking`
`21:32.33`	`zenzelezz`	`depends on the circumstance`
`21:32.45`	`Rayne`	`No, it does. Warrior > Druid.`
`21:32.58`	`zenzelezz`	`that's a narrow-minded view`
`21:33.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I like my druid tank. /shrug`
`21:33.25`	`zenzelezz`	`I love both our feral tank and our prot pala, even if I'm a warrior myself`
`21:33.49`	`Shirik`	`* RoadShark has joined #conspiracy`
`21:33.49`	`Shirik`	`<RoadShark> Happy New Year`
`21:33.49`	`Shirik`	`* RoadShark has left #conspiracy`
`21:33.53`	`Shirik`	`People confuse me`
`21:33.59`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`21:34.07`	`Shirik`	`do they just look for random channels to join? ><`
`21:34.27`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\| you never answered me =(`
`21:34.41`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Shirik: I was medicated this morning. :-\`
`21:34.44`	`Shirik`	`oh =(`
`21:35.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`What's up?`
`21:35.56`	`Shirik`	`I wanted you to look at my spec`
`21:36.09`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`21:36.11`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 10811 HP; 9465 Mana; 269 mana regen; 101 mp5; 21 spell crit; 510 +spell dmg; 1256 +heal; 5.62% dodge; 164 resilience; 45 arcane resist; 21 nature resist;[[ TBR: 1413 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:41:11 2008 EST ]]`
`21:36.12`	`Shirik`	`not that one`
`21:36.19`	`Shirik`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxgGzhgxMcRtfVzh`
`21:36.20`	`Shirik`	`that one`
`21:36.31`	`foxlit`	`zomg, PI me!`
`21:36.41`	`foxlit`	`Nothing like 10k crits with 4% threat reduction`
`21:36.53`	`Shirik`	`....`
`21:37.01`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Why do you need Silent Resolve for pvp? the dispel portion?`
`21:37.03`	`Shirik`	`except this is a pvp spec`
`21:37.07`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: Exactly`
`21:37.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`\|Jelly\|: yep`
`21:37.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`yeah. don't want sw:p being dispelled`
`21:37.27`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge lua_bot (n=lua_bot@65.98.12.195)`
`21:38.03`	`Shirik`	`...`
`21:38.08`	`Shirik`	`more like fort, shield`
`21:38.11`	`Shirik`	`renew`
`21:38.12`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Really, I don't know what to tell you.`
`21:38.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`or shield or fort or pom`
`21:38.28`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Because I don't, you know, pvp enough to really 'know' what's a good spec.`
`21:38.31`	`Shirik`	`><`
`21:38.34`	`Shirik`	`well what's yours?`
`21:38.36`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I stole my friend's`
`21:39.05`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion nou`
`21:39.07`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Nou, Level 70 Draenei Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/252g32 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xc68y ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:44:08 2008 EST ]]`
`21:39.14`	`Shirik`	`play more nubstick!`
`21:40.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`reflective shield? psh`
`21:40.10`	`Shirik`	`give me a better place to put the points`
`21:40.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`fun to kill locks on`
`21:41.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`div spi, one more buff to disple`
`21:41.49`	`Shirik`	`you're not the only one to have said that actually`
`21:41.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxMGuhrtrcqzfzthc <-- mine and I do fine in pvp. :-\`
`21:41.53`	`Shirik`	`so I'm considering that too`
`21:42.11`	`Rayne`	`we have a rogue, a mage and a shaman. AParently none of them know how to interupt a heal or spell. :/`
`21:45.01`	`Lunessa`	`Death Coil.. the ultimate interrupt`
`21:45.18`	`Shirik`	`The connection has timed out`
`21:45.18`	`Shirik`	`The server at www.wowhead.com is taking too long to respond.`
`21:45.21`	`Shirik`	`qq`
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`21:50.08`	`Rayne`	`mage runs in. mage frost novas. mage dies. mage emo QQs the tank. mage leaves group and pulls half of instance onto group.`
`21:50.18`	`Rayne`	`after rez*`
`21:50.52`	`Lunessa`	`!c us kirin tor unkle`
`21:50.54`	`ThraeBot`	`Lunessa: Unkle, Level 70 Draenei Shaman: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ys8ftt ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ukk33 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 16:55:55 2008 EST ]]`
`21:51.05`	`Lunessa`	`hahah`
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`21:59.13`	`Rayne`	`do do do`
`22:01.56`	`nevcairiel`	`inconsistent spelling of Armo(u)ry in Thrae's bot :P`
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`22:16.17`	`Lunessa`	`!c us kirin tor lunessa`
`22:16.19`	`ThraeBot`	`Lunessa: Lunessa, Level 70 Night Elf Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yujpsm ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ptgxl ][ Updated: Wed Jan 2 17:21:20 2008 EST ]]`
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`22:20.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2768-Zero-Punctuation-Super-Mario-Galaxy`
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`22:34.23`	`Lunessa`	`horrible. funny. but horrible.`
`22:34.43`	`Lunessa`	`Rhubarb Crumble FFS.`
`22:35.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`love that guy`
`22:42.10`	`Lukian`	`<cladhaire> "Ace: Where the addons have nonsense names, and no screenshots. Download and install all of them!" <- go do it. It's a wiki.`
`22:42.43`	`cladhaire`	`huh?`
`22:42.44`	`Cide`	`no it's not, dumbface`
`22:42.48`	`Cide`	`files.wowace.com`
`22:42.52`	`cladhaire`	`what are you saying?`
`22:43.02`	`MoonWolf`	`Lukian, wtf , huh ?`
`22:43.03`	`Lukian`	`www.wowace.com/wiki/AddonNameGoesHere`
`22:43.08`	`MoonWolf`	`you think clad doesn't KNOW ?`
`22:43.16`	`Rayne`	`EPEEN FIGHT`
`22:43.19`	`MoonWolf`	`your ignorance is astounding.`
`22:43.24`	`Rayne`	`flailsmadly`
`22:43.45`	`Lukian`	`MoonWolf, my comment was directed at more people than cladhaire :p`
`22:43.59`	`Cide`	`I don't want to look up stuff in the wiki every time I'm looking for an addon. especially when half of the addons don't even have stuff on the wiki`
`22:44.11`	`Cide`	`example: Hourglass: "This addon page is not claimed"`
`22:44.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`usually the forum post for a particular addon has screens`
`22:44.36`	`Lukian`	`Cide, then add a description and a screenshot.`
`22:44.39`	`MoonWolf`	`if you can find it.`
`22:44.40`	`Cide`	`........................`
`22:44.43`	`MoonWolf`	`Lukian, not his job.`
`22:44.46`	`Cide`	`if I'm looking FOR addons`
`22:44.47`	`MoonWolf`	`really not his job.`
`22:44.52`	`cladhaire`	`If (and when) I had the time to write and release addons, I had the common courtesy to include a description of the addon, and a screenshot of what it does (EVEN if its a text base, slash command addon). If the author is going to KNOWINGLY release their addon to tens of thousands of people, they have a responsibility in my eyes to do _at least_ that much.`
`22:44.54`	`Lukian`	`MoonWolf, it's not a job`
`22:44.57`	`Cide`	`are you saying I should download them all and update the descriptions and screenshots?`
`22:45.09`	`Lukian`	`no, just the ones you end up trying / using.`
`22:45.10`	`MoonWolf`	`agreed.`
`22:45.20`	`Rayne`	`Last time I checked, it wasnt so fucking hard to download something, and if you dont like the way it looks and cant alter it, to delete it from your addons folder and move on.`
`22:45.24`	`MoonWolf`	`Lukian, why though there is an AUTHOR let him do his JOB.]`
`22:45.25`	`Cide`	`if the author wants me to use his or her addons, he or she can damn well add their own descriptions`
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`22:45.38`	`Rayne`	`If youre all going to go crazy over something not having a screenshot youre obviously too uptight for the real world.`
`22:45.39`	`Cide`	`Rayne: it's a lot more of a pain in the ass, don't even get me started on good design`
`22:45.44`	`Lukian`	`MoonWolf, then why is it a wiki and not closed?`
`22:45.59`	`cladhaire`	`Rayne: Last I check, it wasn't so fucking hard to add a description about wat you're release to tens of thousands of people, and include a screenshot when posting it.`
`22:46.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lukian, why not`
`22:46.11`	`bleeter`	`hah, the wiki inconsistencies. almost as good as the external library naming 'consistencies'`
`22:46.12`	`Cide`	`I ended up doing exactly what you said, just because the author is a lazy fucker and doesn't care`
`22:46.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`just beacuse you can donest mean you should`
`22:46.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`doesnt*`
`22:46.51`	`Cide`	`www.ctmod.net/downloads -- pretty sure every download has 1) a detailed description, and 2) screenshots`
`22:47.30`	`Lukian`	`yay 12 addons`
`22:47.33`	`Lukian`	`wowace has 1200`
`22:47.37`	`cladhaire`	`fuck you`
`22:47.39`	`cladhaire`	`seriously`
`22:47.39`	`Cide`	`yay 1 author`
`22:47.42`	`cladhaire`	`who in the fuck do you think you are?`
`22:47.54`	`Cide`	`wowace has like 1000 authors`
`22:47.55`	`Lukian`	`an end-user`
`22:48.13`	`cladhaire`	`we are all authors, and we take personal responsibility for releasing our addons. We are simply musing that we have the same expectation of the other authors.`
`22:48.16`	`cladhaire`	`Then grats, this conversation doesn't involve you`
`22:48.23`	`cladhaire`	`so butt the fuck out`
`22:48.24`	`End`	`as far as wowace is concerned, Cide and cladhaire are pretty much users too :P`
`22:48.39`	`Shirik`	`Lukian: And of those 1200 addons that wowace has`
`22:48.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`your an end user for anny addon that isnt yours`
`22:48.46`	`Cide`	`I take my time to write up descriptions and screenshots for every single one of my addons, because I know, as an end user, that I get pissed when there aren't any`
`22:48.47`	`Shirik`	`And of those thousands that Curse has, how many do you think are mine?`
`22:48.49`	`Lunessa`	`Lukian: you're just going to make enemies with that attitude. You're provoking (with malice aforethought) two of the most generous and helpful of addon developers in the history of WoW.`
`22:48.55`	`cladhaire`	`every single addon I've released, INCLUDING MiniBlizzRaid, which had absolutely no visual or interactive component.. had a screenshot: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4904-MiniBlizzRaid.html`
`22:49.04`	`Lukian`	`... what attitude?`
`22:49.13`	`Shirik`	`wowace has 0. Curse has 1 because I was an idiot. Why? Because I don't like those sites.`
`22:49.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow, dense`
`22:49.16`	`Lukian`	`I suggested someone update a wiki page and I get flamed?`
`22:49.27`	`Shirik`	`anyway`
`22:49.30`	`Lunessa`	`"yay 12 addons"`
`22:49.33`	`cladhaire`	`You didn't suggest, you were a rude rampant little pissant`
`22:49.35`	`cladhaire`	`with an attitude`
`22:49.36`	`Cide`	`"yay 12 addons\nwowace has 1200", for example`
`22:49.52`	`Lukian`	`That was a valid point`
`22:49.53`	`cladhaire`	`talking to some of the last two people you have a right to, on this specific matter`
`22:49.56`	`cladhaire`	`no its not`
`22:50.01`	`cladhaire`	`he's one author`
`22:50.01`	`Cide`	`your point was valid? hell no it wasn't`
`22:50.01`	`Lukian`	`1 author vs 1000.`
`22:50.02`	`cladhaire`	`I'm one author`
`22:50.05`	`bleeter`	`it's a massive non-sequitur`
`22:50.12`	`cladhaire`	`if each of those one authors did their due diligence, the problem would be solved.`
`22:50.22`	`Lukian`	`true :)`
`22:50.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`ooo, i missed an argument i feel i can contribute to!`
`22:50.28`	`cladhaire`	`instead they hide behind the "trunk is beta" mentality, and the end user (that's you) gets shipped a pile of shit that they have to dig through`
`22:50.30`	`bleeter`	`if the master site had some over-riding policies... ;)`
`22:50.31`	`cladhaire`	`as an author, I think that is shitty`
`22:50.38`	`cladhaire`	`that was the point I made`
`22:50.53`	`cladhaire`	`why does the WoWAce SVN require eol-style native, and doesn't require a description?`
`22:51.13`	`cladhaire`	`you can't make them give a good description any more than you can make them code things correctly`
`22:51.22`	`cladhaire`	`but its a hell of an improvement shrug`
`22:51.24`	`End`	`I think trunk is beta is fine, but most addons on wwace don't bother with anything -BUT- trunk`
`22:51.31`	`End`	`wowace*`
`22:51.44`	`Cide`	`I think that's fine`
`22:51.45`	`bleeter`	`can't even get them to agree to capitalisation of Libs and libs, let alone other stuff`
`22:51.50`	`cladhaire`	`End: yeah, I get that, I mean.. I did _create_ the WoWAce SVN after all`
`22:52.04`	`cladhaire`	`and i know the authors I speak of aren't intentinoally hiding or leaving information out`
`22:52.11`	`bleeter`	`cladhaire: what? I can't blame Cide? /wrist`
`22:52.13`	`cladhaire`	`but its a negative experience to the end user, and I think that's unfortunate`
`22:52.32`	`Cide`	`but if files.wowace.com should be used as a release platform, it should display screenshots and require useful descriptions`
`22:52.35`	`End`	`I think the the whole "trunk is all you get" is kinda annoying sometimes`
`22:52.37`	`cladhaire`	`no, its true.. I'm responsible (along with my webhost) for the atrocity that is the Ace SVN.`
`22:53.00`	`End`	`Cide: I don't think it was supposed to be used for general use at all initially`
`22:53.02`	`Cide`	`anything else is bad design, imho.`
`22:53.08`	`Cide`	`End: well now it is.`
`22:53.08`	`cladhaire`	`It was a good idea, and I think we can all agree that it grew far too quickly`
`22:53.12`	`End`	`yeah, it is now`
`22:53.49`	`MoonWolf`	`the problem was`
`22:53.53`	`MoonWolf`	`we couldn't stop it`
`22:53.56`	`MoonWolf`	`well we could have`
`22:54.04`	`MoonWolf`	`but didn't want to for our own convenience.`
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`22:54.25`	`Cide`	`which is fine, but I'm glad as hell that I never download ace addons`
`22:54.30`	`Cide`	`because that shit is a pain in the ass`
`22:54.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`wau ftw`
`22:54.45`	`End`	`Thunder_Child: trunk is beta :P`
`22:54.51`	`bleeter`	`~fail wau`
`22:54.51`	`purl`	`wau: Fail.`
`22:54.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`so?`
`22:54.52`	`Cide`	`doesn't give me any screenshots or descriptions, does it?`
`22:54.54`	`cladhaire`	`well, specifically the problem was the end users downloading the entire svn trunk was shutting down the SVN for the developers`
`22:55.00`	`MoonWolf`	`oh yeah`
`22:55.05`	`MoonWolf`	`that was. baaaaadd`
`22:55.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`End, i have yet to have a problem`
`22:55.08`	`cladhaire`	`that was the problem, so we introduced zip files to take the load off the main apache server`
`22:55.20`	`cladhaire`	`but we just grew too big for a shared hosting platform like dreamhost`
`22:55.21`	`MoonWolf`	`and then people were like, grab the zip files`
`22:55.25`	`cladhaire`	`since their apache configs are absolute shit`
`22:55.28`	`MoonWolf`	`its easy, its fast, its live.`
`22:55.40`	`MoonWolf`	`and then came the scripts`
`22:55.42`	`End`	`I've had some small problems, mostly with features I wasn't expecting to exist getting in the way`
`22:55.42`	`MoonWolf`	`and then WAu`
`22:55.43`	`Lunessa`	`shrug I end up trying lots of things. Sometimes screenshots don't tell me how something will feel in play. I use what looks interesting and if I don't like it I don't use it or I hack it.`
`22:55.46`	`MoonWolf`	`and ... that was the end.`
`22:56.03`	`cladhaire`	`MoonWolf: svn update * was the downfall`
`22:56.09`	`cladhaire`	`not the files scripts, actually`
`22:56.12`	`Rayne`	`The death knight will be a tank/dps class. Currently there is an under-representation of tank classes, so the decision was made add a tank class to balance the class representation. A great quote that the dev team mentions is that the Death Knight is "epic but equal," meaning the experience is meant to be epic, but the death knight will be the equal of other classes. Otherwise there would be an over-representation of tanks and not en`
`22:56.17`	`Rayne`	`Why dont they just fix tanks`
`22:56.20`	`bleeter`	`btw, did anyone see the stuff in Perl 5.10? Some cute things in there, recursive regexs and the like`
`22:56.23`	`Rayne`	`the ones that they already have.`
`22:56.31`	`MoonWolf`	`tanks don't need "fixing" tanks don't want to be played.`
`22:56.36`	`cladhaire`	`but it took quite a long time for us to figure out what the problem actually was.. we kept trying to fix things, and nothing got at the root of the problem`
`22:56.38`	`End`	`What MoonWolf said.`
`22:56.42`	`MoonWolf`	`its an mmo problem in general`
`22:56.44`	`cladhaire`	`which was a.) the pipe, b.) the CPU`
`22:56.47`	`MoonWolf`	`not enough people play healers and tanks.`
`22:56.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`End, personally the small bumps that crop up are worth the ease of use`
`22:57.01`	`Rayne`	`So instead of making them more fun theyre going to make a 2 handed hybrid tank. awesome.`
`22:57.09`	`cladhaire`	`personally, I think if someone is willing to spend the time gearing up for two specs`
`22:57.10`	`End`	`I'd rather wowace authors would post more of their addons to addon sites`
`22:57.15`	`End`	`but many don't bother`
`22:57.23`	`cladhaire`	`they should be able to switch between two specs as they wish`
`22:57.34`	`cladhaire`	`I "get" the whole choice that they want us to make`
`22:57.37`	`End`	`yeah, I think that would help a lot, cladhaire`
`22:57.39`	`Lunessa`	`And I'll see you gentlepeople tomorrow.`
`22:57.41`	`cladhaire`	`but I think its kinda shitty, as a holy priest`
`22:57.46`	`MoonWolf`	`a lot of wowace "authors" nowadays are kiddieso n the bandwagon that found an easy way to distrbute`
`22:57.53`	`MoonWolf`	`to be very blunt and honest.`
`22:58.02`	`cladhaire`	`I couldn't do a single damn quest on my own in a short period of time.`
`22:58.04`	`cladhaire`	`MoonWolf: alarlol`
`22:58.06`	`cladhaire`	`;-)`
`22:58.26`	`Rayne`	`cladhaire: Unless you have a questing partner, it is impossible`
`22:58.33`	`End`	`I used to play a healer, but I tend to be very solo orientated, so I rolled another class entirely :P`
`22:58.33`	`cladhaire`	`yep, I know full well`
`22:58.36`	`Rayne`	`or at least really close`
`22:58.41`	`cladhaire`	`same with any healing class`
`22:58.52`	`MoonWolf`	`many of those have no clue about the hard work that went in to optimizing and work the "core" of the wowace authors did.`
`22:58.55`	`cladhaire`	`resto druid solo is almost as bad as a paladin`
`22:59.00`	`cladhaire`	`;-)`
`22:59.04`	`MoonWolf`	`i personally never got close, and they don't even try.`
`22:59.06`	`cladhaire`	`with less survivability`
`22:59.12`	`MoonWolf`	`tell me about it`
`22:59.15`	`cladhaire`	`I have to use bear form in order to mitigate`
`22:59.22`	`MoonWolf`	`ever 2 weeks i respect for 3 days to do shit in feral spec.`
`22:59.23`	`cladhaire`	`and then it takes 4-ev-ah to kill anything`
`22:59.27`	`Rayne`	`I see that as the one major flaw with warriors. If I want to tank and go Prot, I hit as hard as a butterfly. If I go DPS, im squishy.`
`22:59.39`	`MoonWolf`	`call that squishy`
`22:59.41`	`MoonWolf`	`HAH`
`22:59.43`	`bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:59.50`	`Rayne`	`Theres no balance, and unless youre exceptionally geared, tanking as anything but prot usually isnt gonna happen`
`22:59.51`	`cladhaire`	`I think thats the fundamental problem with WoW, is that two of the three trinity classes sacrifice ANY soloability in order to serve the trinity role.`
`22:59.55`	`kergoth`	`End: it's a pretty common affliction among developers in general to get the code done but fail to do the finishing touches and other necessities like documentation, proper releases, testing.. testing.. guess wow development is no exception`
`23:00.08`	`End`	`yeah, I suppose`
`23:00.14`	`MoonWolf`	`other projects have more enforcing though`
`23:00.49`	`End`	`(I take great joy out of tagging and zipping my addon :P)`
`23:00.55`	`End`	`(addons)`
`23:01.09`	`End`	`but I have my own svn, so :P`
`23:01.11`	`Rayne`	`I think its stupid how theyre buffing the hell out of mages. again.`
`23:01.36`	`cladhaire`	`the DPS classes all compete against each other`
`23:01.44`	`cladhaire`	`and can blow healers and tanks out of the water in survivability`
`23:01.49`	`MoonWolf`	`easy`
`23:01.59`	`End`	`I guess I can see if they are trying to make fire more popular or something for arena...`
`23:01.59`	`cladhaire`	`s/in /in solo /`
`23:02.05`	`MoonWolf`	`the most survivable are priests tbh`
`23:02.12`	`End`	`but arena is very survival orientated`
`23:02.24`	`End`	`and fire is still gonna be weaker I think`
`23:02.36`	`End`	`(and of course, frost is even BETTER now)`
`23:02.58`	`Rayne`	`Fire is a fun leveling spec. my wifes mage is 57 I believe and shes having no trouble doing anything`
`23:03.20`	`cladhaire`	`MoonWolf: I think a resto druid is more survivable`
`23:03.57`	`Rayne`	`I might go Boomkin when my druid hits 40`
`23:03.59`	`Rayne`	`just to try it`
`23:04.08`	`cladhaire`	`its sad`
`23:04.13`	`cladhaire`	`I hate having to drink as much as I do`
`23:04.24`	`End`	`Water is too weak imo`
`23:04.26`	`cladhaire`	`on my mage, I can go until evocation is up, even with innervate I have to drunk with my druid`
`23:04.26`	`Cide`	`resto druid is amazing`
`23:04.40`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: we're talking in PVE, soloing`
`23:04.44`	`Cide`	`oh`
`23:04.45`	`Cide`	`fuck that`
`23:04.51`	`End`	`Some classes have way too much downtime`
`23:04.51`	`cladhaire`	`in which case they're better than the other gimped healers, but still shit.`
`23:05.08`	`cladhaire`	`End: which do you think are the worst?`
`23:05.51`	`End`	`I dunno`
`23:05.56`	`Rayne`	`Priests have the worst downtime imo. and Palis when you get over the 45 range.`
`23:06.07`	`Rayne`	`Everything else is so-so, depending on spec`
`23:06.27`	`cladhaire`	`I agree with the priest (and would add boomkin druid in there), but I'm only 21 on the pally`
`23:07.19`	`End`	`On my frost mage I do remember some bad points (but it was really good at 64-70)`
`23:07.50`	`End`	`My warlock is affliction, so I have/had no problems there :P`
`23:07.59`	`Rayne`	`Leveling is so much easier now its almost stupid`
`23:08.07`	`End`	`My druid leveled as feral, so I had no problem there either`
`23:08.11`	`cladhaire`	`any pet class is obscenely easy`
`23:08.14`	`cladhaire`	`pet/autoshot`
`23:08.15`	`cladhaire`	`pet/wand`
`23:08.21`	`cladhaire`	`make coffee\`
`23:08.24`	`cladhaire`	`if necessary :P`
`23:08.26`	`End`	`screw wanding :P`
`23:08.27`	`Rayne`	`I have to hand it to blizz`
`23:08.39`	`Rayne`	`the dustwallow quests are really nice`
`23:08.50`	`cladhaire`	`priest: smite, smite, smite, smite, smite, smite, smite, pant, cry. drink, shadowmeld.`
`23:08.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`i got to go make food while i was lvling a prot pally....start the attack then go make food`
`23:08.58`	`End`	`my pets for stealing mana, not doing damage! :P`
`23:09.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`i would be back before anything was killed`
`23:09.06`	`End`	`<3 Dark Pact`
`23:09.11`	`cladhaire`	`indeed :P`
`23:09.14`	`cladhaire`	`but before that`
`23:09.17`	`cladhaire`	`Mage food progression really bothers me`
`23:09.24`	`End`	`that bothers me a lot too`
`23:09.29`	`cladhaire`	`my food at 38.. only fills half my mana pool`
`23:09.31`	`cladhaire`	`fucking ghey`
`23:09.33`	`End`	`I was always tempted to buy vendor food`
`23:09.37`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`23:09.47`	`End`	`because it was usually better than my own...but I was a cheapskate, so I didn't :P`
`23:10.27`	`End`	`downtime is -fine- for mana using classes, but it shouldn't be annoyingly long`
`23:10.46`	`End`	`you know when your mana is still not full after the 30 seconds...umm...yeah`
`23:10.52`	`cladhaire`	`yeah thats when I have an issue`
`23:11.04`	`End`	`(or health too, I suppose)`
`23:11.12`	`End`	`(but that's pretty rare)`
`23:11.17`	`cladhaire`	`I think a class should be able to kill 3-5 mobs without needing to regen... then have 15-20 seconds of downtime before I can continue`
`23:11.23`	`cladhaire`	`it'd be annoying, but I'd take that over what we have`
`23:12.30`	`bleeter`	`Rayne: I managed to get two toons from 40 to 61 without stepping foot in Silithus and EPL in two and a half weeks, non-solid play but not totally casual either. Prolly could've skipped BS, too. New XP gains + rested ftw!`
`23:12.30`	`End`	`I gotta say, my druid was fun to level, and it was probably partially because as feral I -never- had downtime :P`
`23:12.37`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`23:12.42`	`End`	`at worst, I'd have to shift out and heal`
`23:12.43`	`cladhaire`	`leveling anything other than feral is horrible`
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`23:12.52`	`End`	`it was great`
`23:13.03`	`cladhaire`	`i found leveling my affliction lock to be as easy as my feral druid`
`23:13.06`	`End`	`yeah`
`23:13.07`	`cladhaire`	`I think they're tied for easiest time`
`23:13.14`	`cladhaire`	`so many ways to escape`
`23:13.15`	`Rayne`	`bleeter: yeah, I got my hunter from 38ish to 58 in about 4 days. :\|`
`23:13.19`	`cladhaire`	`no problems if the pet dies`
`23:13.31`	`End`	`when level is your 'lock?`
`23:13.53`	`End`	`what*`
`23:13.55`	`cladhaire`	`40`
`23:14.03`	`bleeter`	`Rayne: heh.. did you experience the 'oh, I'll do this one long chain, and these five side quests .... oh hell, 1.95 levels dinged?' I couldn't stop laughing at that kinda thing`
`23:14.04`	`cladhaire`	`it was easier hitting 40 on him than it was on my druid`
`23:14.09`	`End`	`ah, cool`
`23:14.10`	`cladhaire`	`now that i have dark pact`
`23:14.11`	`cladhaire`	`its a joke :P`
`23:14.13`	`End`	`yeah`
`23:14.27`	`Rayne`	`I have my lock specced to 0/21/40 atm...soooooo much raw damage`
`23:14.45`	`cladhaire`	`and every fucking time i go against a sl/sl lock in the arena.. I get so pissed at drain life.`
`23:14.49`	`cladhaire`	`Then I play my lock and giggle`
`23:14.53`	`cladhaire`	`but I still hate it :P`
`23:14.58`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`locks are overpowered, nuf said`
`23:14.59`	`cladhaire`	`it should not be able to do that much damage!!`
`23:15.00`	`End`	`I don't like playing as sl/sl`
`23:15.15`	`cladhaire`	`End: UA locks bother me`
`23:15.19`	`cladhaire`	`but I just have to be creative healing`
`23:15.20`	`End`	`<-- UA 8-)`
`23:15.25`	`cladhaire`	`I can normally keep my team up`
`23:15.28`	`sysrage`	`locks and pallys make me want to punch kittens in pvp`
`23:15.57`	`Rayne`	`I dont arena much`
`23:15.57`	`Rayne`	`but`
`23:16.02`	`Rayne`	`I hate resto druids in arena`
`23:16.04`	`Rayne`	`soooooo much`
`23:16.07`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`lol`
`23:16.16`	`sysrage`	`ya durids are annoying too`
`23:16.18`	`cladhaire`	`yeah they are obnoxious`
`23:16.23`	`sysrage`	`not as lame as pallys though`
`23:16.30`	`cladhaire`	`i eat pallies for breakfast`
`23:16.31`	`End`	`paladins don't bother me much`
`23:16.32`	`Rayne`	`Palis dont bother me`
`23:16.37`	`cladhaire`	`but i'm a shadow priest`
`23:16.40`	`cladhaire`	`they're breakfast to me`
`23:16.41`	`End`	`then again, its easy to get them to bubble :P`
`23:16.47`	`cladhaire`	`if they don't have a backup healer, they're dead.`
`23:16.56`	`cladhaire`	`and i don't have fast mass dispel :P`
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`23:21.07`	`Rayne`	`'Southshore Is Under Attack' has been spamming my chat for about 25 minutes`
`23:21.12`	`Rayne`	`someone must be upset`
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`23:22.03`	`End`	`heh`
`23:22.35`	`cladhaire`	`vengeance for 2004 :P`
`23:23.22`	`Cide`	`that's when you do /leave LocalDefenes`
`23:23.28`	`Cide`	`s/enes/ense/`
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`23:27.44`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ`
`23:29.10`	`JoshBorke`	`why am i only getting 20 FPS in linux whereas i get 100+ in windows :-(`
`23:29.37`	`Cide`	`because windows is a well-coded OS, unlike linux`
`23:30.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`snicker`
`23:30.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`owned`
`23:31.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`although there is something to that`
`23:31.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`wtb 2.3.2`
`23:31.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`or just skip to 2.4`
`23:35.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`hmmm, if i get exalted now can i pick up exalted gems or do i only get my revered ones and have to wait for next month?`
`23:36.22`	`bleeter`	`AnduinLothar: either 2.3.2 or 2.4 will do me, as long as the strsplit overlow's fixed, dun really care ;)`
`23:36.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`i want my crusader strike fix`
`23:37.27`	`bleeter`	`AnduinLothar: I think you have to wait to next month to get the exalted gem bag`
`23:37.37`	`bleeter`	`don't 100% quote me on that`
`23:37.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`:'(`
`23:37.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`well i only have 1k left i'll go farm it quick`
`23:37.52`	`bleeter`	`but thanks for reminding me to go collect my gems haha`
`23:38.00`	`Cide`	`bleeter: can't you guys scan the string for the number of delimiters?`
`23:38.20`	`Cide`	`or does the "split count" argument work?`
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`23:38.28`	`Cide`	`i.e:`
`23:38.53`	`bleeter`	`Cide: I have no idea which part of stubby is actually causing the problem, nor what data (of over 200MB) is being fed into it. I'm just a sysadmin, you'd have to ask norgs or MentalPower`
`23:39.02`	`Cide`	`>>> strsplit(" ", "a b c d", 3)`
`23:39.03`	`Cide`	`Cide: "a", "b", "c d"`
`23:39.14`	`bleeter`	`I'm just going on where slouken pointed the finger ;)`
`23:39.27`	`bleeter`	`which, oddly enough, wasn't at you Cide`
`23:39.31`	`Cide`	`strange`
`23:39.44`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge TC-Holding (i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com)`
`23:40.37`	`TC-Holding`	`damit...i feel like a nub, i just hit the "disable all network connectivity" on my cable modem :(`
`23:40.52`	`bleeter`	`~nub Thunder_Child`
`23:41.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`~fail bleeter`
`23:41.02`	`purl`	`bleeter: Fail.`
`23:41.03`	`bleeter`	`awww`
`23:45.45`	`Rayne`	`Well`
`23:45.50`	`Rayne`	`I just watched ID2`
`23:46.10`	`Rayne`	`I liked it, alot of people have been saying its not as good as the first, I thought it was :)`
`23:47.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`it fails`
`23:47.17`	`Matrix110\|`	`the scene in the theater is right`
`23:47.25`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-87-63-57.west.biz.rr.com)`
`23:55.57`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Thunder_Child (i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com)`
`23:57.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh why should we be punnished for things outdie of our control`
`23:57.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`outside*`

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