| 00:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: http://wowwebstats.com/mdkcz6nv3ohme?s=7140-7596 |
| 00:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I can't comment much on that, as that was just before I joined them, but *shrug* |
| 00:00.30 | Corrodias | what's with all the sub-500-dpsers? |
| 00:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | In my WWS? |
| 00:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They all fail hard |
| 00:00.53 | Corrodias | now NHTS's is more like it |
| 00:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I gave up a while ago trying to figure it out |
| 00:01.25 | Corrodias | 420 dps out of a druid? any spec should be able to blast that in SSC, unless he's skipped out on all the kara runs |
| 00:01.37 | Corrodias | or is resto |
| 00:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... |
| 00:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | She isn't really that good |
| 00:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | She's our Tidewalker tank |
| 00:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Pulls an INCREDIBLE 400 tps |
| 00:02.15 | Corrodias | oh, a tank. that makes more sense. |
| 00:02.25 | Corrodias | if she's doing 400dps, she should do more than 400tps |
| 00:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | She's not tanking in that attempt |
| 00:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, a druid tank can probably dps better than 400dps |
| 00:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | We have a warrior tank Leo |
| 00:02.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (assuming cat form) |
| 00:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | But see, I'm really, really curious how I can do that much DPS |
| 00:03.27 | Corrodias | my kara-geared druid can do 800 reliably, break 1000 on the Shade of Aran fight |
| 00:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | When I'm still using the rep reward sword from the Keepers of Time :/ |
| 00:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | A note: the WWS I linked, I also died at 13%... |
| 00:04.10 | Corrodias | well, 700 reliably, more with the right combo of buffs |
| 00:04.13 | Thunder_Child | lol @ todays http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 00:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have easily hit 400k damage if I didn't die |
| 00:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (From the demon none the less) |
| 00:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And today's XKCD made me die of laughter irl |
| 00:05.10 | Thunder_Child | you died irl? |
| 00:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Just about |
| 00:05.19 | Thunder_Child | we can only hope |
| 00:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a few people give me looks |
| 00:05.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, that xkcd is awesome |
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| 00:05.41 | Corrodias | unfortunately, i don't know what signing a key doe |
| 00:05.42 | Corrodias | s. |
| 00:05.56 | Thunder_Child | pub/private keys... |
| 00:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an irreversible act of trust |
| 00:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's saying that you trust the person whose key you signed period |
| 00:06.24 | Thunder_Child | common man, we are talking encryption! |
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| 00:08.02 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i have only recently come to understand the principle behind private and public keys |
| 00:08.08 | Corrodias | and even then i need a refresher |
| 00:08.12 | Corrodias | signing is totally beyond me |
| 00:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You have a public key which people use to encrypt data with, right? |
| 00:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And the private is used to decrypt? |
| 00:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | If you "sign" someone else's key, it's saying that you trust that key as belonging to that person (or organization) |
| 00:08.54 | Corrodias | and vice-versa, i believe |
| 00:09.17 | Corrodias | i don't get it |
| 00:09.20 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party |
| 00:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | So if you and two friends all sign each other's key, people outside of your three can see the lines of trust |
| 00:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's probably a better idea, lol |
| 00:10.25 | Corrodias | i think i am starting to get it |
| 00:10.47 | Corrodias | so if a web site transmits a public key to you and starts sending the encrypted data, you can't be sure it isn't coming from a third party unless you are sure that public key is ACTUALLY from that site |
| 00:11.06 | Corrodias | and/or the person you're trying to communicate with |
| 00:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Another part of it, is that 'trust' is a public thing |
| 00:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Take the linux kernel project for example |
| 00:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | They have a public key which you can use to verify your downloads with |
| 00:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That public key is also signed by a lot of the developers |
| 00:16.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They're all saying, "hey, this key is the real deal" |
| 00:16.42 | Corrodias | the joke kinda makes sense when you understand all this |
| 00:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And because trust is public, you can see that they all trust that key also |
| 00:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it's also irreversible |
| 00:17.12 | Corrodias | although i still don't think it's such a big deal that someone would be concerned about trusting that a certain key is only used by a certain person |
| 00:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't take a signature OFF of a public key unless you hold the only copy you signed |
| 00:17.29 | Corrodias | now THAT i don't understand |
| 00:17.37 | Corrodias | signatures are somehow incorporated into keys? |
| 00:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Into *public* keys |
| 00:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They public keys (in this case) contain the actual public key data, and the web of trust data |
| 00:18.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you sign it, if you upload the copy of that key anywhere, it's out there for good |
| 00:18.59 | Corrodias | but i thought it was just a string of characters |
| 00:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No, 'signing' is a cryptographic function |
| 00:19.21 | Corrodias | i guess i don't understand public/private keys as much as i thought |
| 00:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not just adding letters to the key |
| 00:19.32 | Corrodias | and what do you sign it with, your name? your own keys? |
| 00:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Your own private key (which has a corresponding public key) |
| 00:20.00 | Corrodias | but i don't -have- a private key |
| 00:20.07 | Corrodias | and there's no rule saying you can't produce multiple keys |
| 00:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you don't have a public key either :) |
| 00:20.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You /can/ make a single private key, and then nuke your public key. Or nuke your private key. |
| 00:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But one without the other is useless in most situations |
| 00:21.06 | Corrodias | so what you're saying is that if Bob's key has been used to sign / encrypt the public key, and you trust that bob's key comes from bob, then you understand that bob trusts that the other key comes from whomever bob says it comes from? |
| 00:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally |
| 00:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the term 'web of trust' |
| 00:21.30 | Corrodias | although bob could say it comes from anybody |
| 00:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 00:21.48 | Corrodias | it does NOT imply that he trusts the content to be safe or anything |
| 00:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 00:21.55 | Corrodias | of whatever has been encrypted by it |
| 00:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | all public/private keys do is authenticate the sender, really |
| 00:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 00:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And all that a 'web of trust' is saying, is that Person A belives that Person B's public key really belongs to person B |
| 00:22.45 | Fisker- | weird |
| 00:22.46 | NightHawkTheSane | It's nothing more than a means of authentication |
| 00:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (Assuming A signed B) |
| 00:22.56 | Fisker- | the guild bank log only shows [Item] and not [Item of Suffix] |
| 00:23.06 | Corrodias | well, you can use a public key to encrypt something to ensure that only the owner of the private key can open it |
| 00:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not related to the web of trust though |
| 00:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes that's right |
| 00:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust |
| 00:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | thats still authentication, but you're doing it in reverse to authenticate the receiver then |
| 00:23.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That probably explains it better |
| 00:24.23 | Corrodias | thus, to create a two-way secure connection, you exchange public keys and encrypt your data with their public key for transmission |
| 00:24.30 | Corrodias | this is remember |
| 00:24.58 | Corrodias | *this i remember |
| 00:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, exactly |
| 00:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it all depends on what kind of transmission you want to accomplish |
| 00:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Signing someone else's public key is a way of saying "I trust this key as belonging to this person" |
| 00:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | right |
| 00:25.33 | Corrodias | okay, that doesn't seem like such a huge deal to me |
| 00:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | In terms of keeping data private, it isn't |
| 00:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's irrelevant to it |
| 00:25.58 | Corrodias | but to the guy in the comic, it was pretty significant |
| 00:26.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you still seem to be missing the fact that signing a key an irreversable act of trust :P, as noted :P |
| 00:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Signing the key says that you trust Key A to belong to Person A |
| 00:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If he met some random chick over IRC and signed her key... there's not a lot of verification ;) |
| 00:27.07 | NightHawkTheSane | (and that you trust A actually IS A) |
| 00:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, 'signed her key' almost has sexual connotations like that, haha |
| 00:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | xkcd ftw. |
| 00:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: plus, you're also likely missing the fact that xkcd often takes extremely geeky situations and... blows them a little out of proportion :P |
| 00:27.54 | Corrodias | oh, i get that |
| 00:28.00 | Corrodias | i just wanted to be sure i understood the situation |
| 00:30.10 | ScytheBlade1 | afk though |
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| 00:40.35 | alestane | reqol: If you wanted to make you combat log crit watcher locale-independent you could make some strings by tweaking the contents of COMBATHITCRITSCHOOLSELFOTHER and COMBATHITCRITSELFOTHER into search strings, and that way you don't have to worry about the language. |
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| 00:53.44 | alestane | I'm guessing that WoW Lua does not load the os. module? |
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| 01:01.02 | buu | alestane: What a guess. |
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| 01:17.01 | Tem | "Character Data Awaiting Refresh" |
| 01:17.03 | Tem | LIES AND SLANDER |
| 01:17.17 | Tem | er |
| 01:17.19 | Tem | um |
| 01:17.23 | Tem | happy new year, everyone |
| 01:17.27 | dylanm | Yeah been seeing that a lot |
| 01:17.42 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.55 | Tem | for whom it's been jan 1 for some time... |
| 01:18.02 | Corrodias | now if only Cartographer didn't hide my party members beneath my ton of ore nodes |
| 01:18.03 | Tem | (hi norgs) |
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| 01:29.56 | art3mis | only 40 more years to correct the Y2KB issue ;P |
| 01:36.23 | alestane | loadstring works fine inside WoW? |
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| 01:49.37 | alestane | Anyone know a faster way to clear a table then "for k in next, t do t[k] = nil end"? |
| 01:49.45 | alestane | Other than |
| 01:49.56 | alestane | "t = {}", which creates garbage? |
| 01:50.11 | Shirik | does the table have consective numerical indices? |
| 01:50.19 | alestane | Not guaranteed. |
| 01:50.31 | Shirik | let me look at what conspiracy does, but I think that's all it is |
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| 01:52.34 | Shirik | I hate this computer |
| 01:54.17 | Shirik | oi I forgot I don't have scite on this computer anymore |
| 01:54.29 | Shirik | anyway alestane off the top of my head I don't have a better idea, no |
| 01:54.51 | alestane | Doesn't seem too likely, just wanted to see if there was a standard gimmick. |
| 01:55.20 | Shirik | well we do this strange stuff, but it's only recycling |
| 01:55.58 | alestane | I briefly thought of "while next(t) do t[next(t)] = nil do" but I think it would have awful performance. |
| 01:55.59 | Shirik | if you want to clear a table it's practically instant, but it just uses a combination of existing, empty tables and deferring the clearing the table until later |
| 01:56.11 | Shirik | that is a bad idea |
| 01:56.45 | alestane | My first example basically seems like a more streamlined version of that method. |
| 01:56.46 | Shirik | mostly because you're skipping half the keys |
| 01:57.15 | alestane | How so? |
| 01:57.33 | alestane | next doesn't maintain a cursor. |
| 01:57.59 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; while next(t) do t[next(t)] = nil; end print(t) |
| 01:57.59 | Cide | Shirik: { } (#1) |
| 01:58.10 | Shirik | oh I see what you're doing |
| 01:58.20 | Shirik | I still think that's a bad idea |
| 01:58.28 | alestane | It's got needless overhead. |
| 01:58.46 | alestane | The first example is faster and easier to read. |
| 01:59.37 | Shirik | besides, this would be faster than that, since it's only one call: |
| 02:00.13 | Shirik | local v = next(t); while v do t[v] = nil; v = next(t); end |
| 02:00.17 | Shirik | but again I don't recommend that |
| 02:00.22 | Shirik | I doubt it could be faster than the for loop |
| 02:00.45 | alestane | It basically is a for loop only spelled out instead of implicit. |
| 02:01.17 | alestane | Which means Lua can't optimize its execution. |
| 02:01.21 | Shirik | untrue |
| 02:01.41 | Shirik | the for loop keeps track of where it's going. That while loop does not |
| 02:02.04 | Shirik | it merely goes until next can't find anywhere to start |
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| 02:02.21 | alestane | That's bascially what a Lua for does too. |
| 02:02.34 | Shirik | if that were the case, something like this would never work: |
| 02:03.37 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5}; for k,v in next, t, nil do print(v) end |
| 02:03.37 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 02:03.54 | Shirik | on the other hand, this goes forever: |
| 02:04.13 | art3mis | 1 2 3 4 5..... 67 8910 11.......... 12! |
| 02:04.28 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5}; local v = next(t); while v do print(t[v]); v = next(t) end |
| 02:04.32 | art3mis | do dodeedododadoododo TWELVE!@ |
| 02:04.34 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 02:04.43 | alestane | That |
| 02:04.54 | Shirik | is exactly what I had before |
| 02:05.07 | Shirik | just with a print instead of removing indexes |
| 02:05.47 | alestane | You're right, since one does not modify the table...the first case was a reductive problem. The equivalent would be : |
| 02:06.00 | alestane | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5}; local v = next(t); while v do print(t[v]); v = next(t, v) end |
| 02:06.00 | Cide | alestane: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 02:06.07 | Shirik | right |
| 02:06.26 | Shirik | which actually brings up the next point: I wonder if next has to do less processing if it already knows where it left off |
| 02:06.38 | Shirik | in such a case, pairs() would be the optimum solution to clear out the table |
| 02:06.48 | alestane | Strictly under the hood if it does. |
| 02:06.49 | Shirik | (which, of course, just returns next, t, nil) |
| 02:07.19 | alestane | And pairs(t) is _marginally_ slower than next, t. |
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| 02:08.09 | Shirik | it takes one more stack frame for the initialization, nothing more. Whoopdie doo. There are many people out there that probably wouldn't have a clue what "for k,v in next, t, nil" means |
| 02:08.34 | Shirik | that one call probably couldn't even be timed unless it's done with a ton of repetitions |
| 02:08.39 | alestane | I didn't say it was a meaningful difference. |
| 02:10.17 | alestane | Probably about 20 opcodes or something which is how long with today's clock speeds? |
| 02:10.53 | Shirik | I promise you that's less than 16ms :P |
| 02:11.09 | Shirik | And anything less than 16ms can't be timed with a pentium-class realtime clock |
| 02:11.30 | Shirik | (again, without repetitions) |
| 02:11.56 | alestane | And if pairs is implemented in C... |
| 02:12.28 | alestane | (Although it's so simple that it wouldn't suffer much from being implemented in Lua.) |
| 02:12.45 | Shirik | well I think the majority of its time would probably be Lua processing |
| 02:12.55 | Shirik | because all it has to do is push 3 things onto the Lua stack and return |
| 02:13.34 | alestane | And look up a key in the current environment. |
| 02:14.38 | alestane | _G["next"] |
| 02:14.53 | alestane | Still pretty negligible. |
| 02:16.11 | Shirik | lua_getglobal(L, "next"); lua_insert(L, 1); lua_pushnil(L); return 3; |
| 02:16.34 | Shirik | pretty easy :) that's pairs in 4 lines. Doubt that's how it's implemented, but tha'ts a way |
| 02:16.47 | Shirik | obviously that neglects error checking, etc. |
| 02:16.51 | alestane | L is the stack you're working with? |
| 02:17.03 | Shirik | the lua environment, yes |
| 02:17.04 | alestane | OR the Lua environment? |
| 02:17.25 | Shirik | (for this purposes, it's just the stack. nothing else is touched) |
| 02:18.17 | Shirik | lua_insert() is a little trick I used. Since the second parameter returned by pairs() is the table you passed into it, you can do something a bit efficiently |
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| 02:19.41 | Shirik | The table you passed in should be on top of the stack, so if we just move the "next" reference that we got below it (essentially swapping the top with what's below it) we have them in the right order |
| 02:19.49 | Shirik | and my video driver just crashed |
| 02:19.55 | Shirik | brb >.> |
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| 02:23.41 | Shirik | this computer totally cannot handle WoW |
| 02:23.48 | Shirik | worth a damn |
| 02:24.14 | Thunder_Child | (>'')> <(''<) KIRBY DANCE! |
| 02:24.53 | alestane | Why does my IRC client have a kirby icon? |
| 02:25.13 | Shirik | because Thunder_Child is a nublet |
| 02:25.26 | Thunder_Child | he is indeed |
| 02:26.01 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine is so much better than me. In every way possible. And this is not Guillotine typing right now. |
| 02:26.58 | Shirik | Guillotine and Thunder_Child know each other? o.o |
| 02:27.02 | Shirik | didn't know that |
| 02:27.26 | Thunder_Child | yes :P |
| 02:28.06 | Thunder_Child | Why do you think TC started joining the channel despite the fact he knows absolutely nothing about Lua? |
| 02:28.11 | Thunder_Child | srsly |
| 02:28.27 | zenzelezz | to flirt with Cairenn of course |
| 02:28.35 | Thunder_Child | good point |
| 02:28.38 | alestane | That doesn't actually answer my question. |
| 02:28.54 | Thunder_Child | your IRC really has a kirby icon? o.O What IRC client are you using? |
| 02:29.05 | alestane | Colloquy. |
| 02:29.12 | Shirik | I assumed that it was like my IRC client that if you miss a message, it puts it in the title bar |
| 02:29.25 | Shirik | and since Thunder_Child's message had a kirby "icon" ... |
| 02:31.54 | alestane | http://www.genjitsugames.com/kirby.png |
| 02:32.15 | dylanm | Odd... I'm using Colloquy and I've nothing of the sort |
| 02:32.38 | alestane | (>")> |
| 02:32.55 | alestane | (>'')> |
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| 02:33.06 | alestane | I dunno...it doesn't do it for me now. |
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| 02:37.33 | art3mis | listen up yall it's a sabotage |
| 02:37.53 | alestane | <(''<) |
| 02:38.28 | alestane | Ah it only does the icon for "kirby to the left." |
| 02:38.30 | zenzelezz | the video for that one is so cool |
| 02:38.37 | dylanm | Oh that worked. Had to change around some style settings and it looks kinda ugly but now I see kirby. |
| 02:38.40 | art3mis | yeah it is |
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| 02:39.47 | alestane | Just the emoticons style. |
| 02:40.11 | reqol | my mirc setup is brackish |
| 02:40.12 | reqol | :( |
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| 02:44.10 | art3mis | like brak? |
| 02:45.42 | art3mis | hahahah |
| 02:45.45 | art3mis | www.adultswim.com |
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| 02:46.38 | reqol | ...:( |
| 02:46.52 | reqol | I know who brak is |
| 02:48.28 | art3mis | no it was a related |
| 02:48.29 | alestane | I missed this one when it came out: http://xkcd.com/362/ |
| 02:48.35 | art3mis | the intro image on AS is funny |
| 02:50.07 | alestane | >>> table.concat({}, "") |
| 02:50.07 | Cide | alestane: "" |
| 02:50.23 | alestane | >>> table.concat({}) |
| 02:50.24 | Cide | alestane: "" |
| 02:50.33 | alestane | That's what I needed to know. |
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| 02:54.35 | alestane | >>> table.concat({q=75}, "") |
| 02:54.35 | Cide | alestane: "" |
| 02:54.37 | art3mis | whee's cidan been |
| 02:54.40 | art3mis | ~seen cidan |
| 02:54.43 | purl | cidan is currently on #wowi-lounge (4d 18h 36m 59s) #wowace (4d 18h 36m 59s), last said: 'Idiots'. |
| 02:54.50 | art3mis | oh |
| 02:54.53 | art3mis | that explains it |
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| 03:04.04 | Shirik | it's a good question really |
| 03:04.14 | Shirik | I've been meaning to log onto gtalk to find him but haven't had the chance |
| 03:06.26 | Shirik | ok mobs that faerie fire are incredibly annoying |
| 03:06.38 | Shirik | never thought it was a big deal but while trying to level a rogue omg |
| 03:07.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 03:08.11 | Osstia|mac | haha |
| 03:09.24 | Shirik | oohh lv 11 rare |
| 03:09.31 | Shirik | BUT I CAN'T SNEAK UP ON IT BECAUSE I HAVE 20 SECONDS LEFT ON FAERIE FIRE |
| 03:12.19 | Osstia|mac | haha |
| 03:12.31 | Osstia|mac | you need cloak of shadows |
| 03:12.37 | Osstia|mac | i bet you could buy it |
| 03:13.03 | Shirik | isn't that like a lv 62 ability? |
| 03:13.46 | alestane | Over 60 anyway. |
| 03:15.32 | nevcairiel | 66 i think |
| 03:15.57 | Shirik | point is I'm not even close :P |
| 03:16.44 | Osstia|mac | 65 |
| 03:16.44 | Osstia|mac | iirc |
| 03:16.44 | Osstia|mac | my ISP is raking me over the coals tonight /cry |
| 03:20.47 | Osstia|mac | what race is your rogue shirik? |
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| 03:24.57 | Shirik | BE |
| 03:25.06 | Shirik | (@ Osstia|mac ) |
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| 03:29.19 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:29.42 | alestane | HNY Iriel! |
| 03:29.50 | alestane | (Almost anyway) |
| 03:31.43 | Iriel | Hey, happy almost new year |
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| 03:33.35 | Shirik | Hi Iriel |
| 03:33.47 | Shirik | why aren't you out drinking? |
| 03:34.20 | Iriel | I've got a headache and dont feel well, so i'm avoiding people instead |
| 03:34.42 | Iriel | I did buy some big paper and made the new printer prove its worth: http://badass.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/PictureOnKeyboard.jpg |
| 03:35.03 | Shirik | hehe |
| 03:35.16 | alestane | New glossy photoprinter? |
| 03:36.17 | Iriel | http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=182&modelid=12892 |
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| 03:43.12 | alestane | Lua strings index from 1 right? |
| 03:43.16 | Cide | yes |
| 03:43.54 | Cide | oh, strings |
| 03:44.12 | Cide | I read tables |
| 03:44.48 | Shirik | yes, iirc |
| 03:45.04 | Shirik | as much as I hate that |
| 03:45.22 | alestane | >>> ("ABCDEF"):sub(1,2) |
| 03:45.22 | Cide | alestane: "AB" |
| 03:45.44 | alestane | >>> #"ABCDEF" |
| 03:45.45 | Cide | alestane: 6 |
| 03:47.03 | Cide | >>> local t = getmetatable("a"); local old = t.__index; t.__index = function(self, key) if ( tonumber(key) ) then return self:sub(key, key) end return old[key]; end return ("abc")[2], ("foo")[1] |
| 03:47.03 | Cide | Cide: "b", "f" |
| 03:47.08 | Cide | heh, worthless but fun |
| 03:47.10 | Shirik | it's stupid no? :P |
| 03:47.17 | art3mis | wow iriel nice printer |
| 03:47.35 | Shirik | also alestane you fail at reading PMs that I sent like an hour ago |
| 03:47.53 | Shirik | though it's kinda irrelevant now |
| 03:48.41 | alestane | I see that, and no I didn't. My chat rooms list is expanded, so the Conversation marker has been pushed off the bottom of the window. |
| 03:49.34 | Shirik | on my client at home I get little popups even if irc isn't the active window |
| 03:49.37 | Shirik | it's nice :) |
| 03:50.33 | alestane | I might have gotten something, but I think the global message from the sysadmins overwrote it while I have another app in front of it. |
| 03:52.17 | alestane | I don't know. |
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| 03:55.44 | Shirik | do rogues have a 5SR-like thing for energy? |
| 03:56.00 | Xuerian | No... |
| 03:56.11 | haste | constant 2 sec tick on server side |
| 03:56.23 | Shirik | that is so cheap |
| 03:56.33 | Shirik | and I intend to exploit it >< |
| 03:56.49 | Shirik | as I'm sure all the other smart rogues do |
| 03:56.57 | alestane | 5sr would really gimp rogues since they're basically obliged to use energy constantly. |
| 03:58.03 | Cide | exploit it like druids |
| 03:58.16 | Cide | re-shift into cat form for a free 40 energy! |
| 03:58.27 | Shirik | *(@#P*%@#% |
| 03:58.31 | Xuerian | hehe.. |
| 03:58.33 | Shirik | THANK YOU |
| 03:58.40 | Xuerian | And now we can do it instantly |
| 03:58.44 | Shirik | I am so glad this is the last day of this damn hotel internet |
| 03:58.50 | Cide | yep, 1.5 sec == 40 energy |
| 03:59.05 | Cide | do cat druids do that? it should be more efficient, right? |
| 03:59.19 | Xuerian | You can do it for emergency burst dps |
| 03:59.32 | Xuerian | Generally it's not worth it |
| 03:59.56 | Xuerian | If you run yourself out of mana mid-fight in a 5-man, you have no room to shift out and do anything to save the day |
| 04:00.10 | Xuerian | Raid situation, not so much of a problem |
| 04:00.19 | Shirik | but why not convert mana into energy :) |
| 04:00.19 | Shirik | if you can |
| 04:00.33 | Shirik | btw druids suck |
| 04:00.48 | Xuerian | We love you too, in our furry four-pawed way. |
| 04:01.04 | Shirik | woah, slow down there buddy |
| 04:01.19 | Xuerian | We're always on. |
| 04:01.22 | Cide | druids are pro |
| 04:01.36 | Cide | the best part is doing 2v2 arenas |
| 04:02.10 | Cide | and literally feeling the rage of the enemy warrior who hasn't been able to hit anyone with his weapon for the last 2 minutes |
| 04:02.13 | Cide | because he's been chain-rooted and -cycloned |
| 04:02.22 | Xuerian | Hahahaha |
| 04:02.35 | Cide | and the two seconds he wasn't he's been chasing my ass while I run 30% faster than him |
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| 04:06.22 | Shirik | I have never in my life |
| 04:06.34 | Shirik | wanted to kill the idiots at google so adamantly |
| 04:06.42 | alestane | Can a situation exists where [help,harm] selects? |
| 04:06.52 | Shirik | Whomever created this damn "google toolbar" and shipped it with every damn computer |
| 04:07.05 | Shirik | Needs to be slowly descended, bond style, into a pit of boiling hot oil |
| 04:07.29 | Shirik | alestane: I don't think so |
| 04:07.39 | Shirik | I can think of a case for nohelp,noharm |
| 04:07.45 | Shirik | But not help,harm |
| 04:10.08 | alestane | I'm retackling a problem I was dealing with before, where I'm using RegisterStateDriver(frame, "visibility", "[conditions] show; hide"), and I'm trying to add support for a new conditional, [resting], in the source strings. |
| 04:10.57 | alestane | I can split the string into two, one for resting and one for not resting, but I think I've just realized that there was a flaw with my previous approach. |
| 04:16.06 | alestane | It works okay for a string like "[mounted][resting] show; hide", which gets split into "[mounted][] show; hide" for when the toon is gaining rest, and "[mounted] show; hide" when the toon is not gaining rest...but if I feed a single-condition string like "[resting] show; hide", it splits into "[] show; hide" and "show; hide", which means the frame will always be shown. |
| 04:17.49 | alestane | So I'm thinking that rather than eliminate the "[resting]" completely from the string for when the toon is not gaining rest, I should replace it with a condition which is ALWAYS false. |
| 04:18.45 | alestane | I suppose [exists,noexists] would be an even surer bet that [help,harm]. |
| 04:19.01 | Arrowmaster | target=player,noexists |
| 04:20.28 | alestane | Except the condition I'm modifying might already have a "target=" clause in it, which could cause unreliable behavior. |
| 04:21.22 | zenzelezz | [pet,nopet] o_O |
| 04:21.57 | alestane | So yeah, anything of the form [X, noX] should work. |
| 04:23.12 | alestane | Any weird one-clause conditionals that will always fail? How about [nobutton] or [nobar]? |
| 04:26.40 | alestane | I like the sound of [nobar], since the client should always have some page listed as the current action bar. |
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| 04:29.23 | reqol | damn it. does purl log chat? I just exited MIRC and wanted to read a bunch of stuff |
| 04:29.30 | reqol | and lost it all :( |
| 04:30.12 | buu | Ha ha! |
| 04:31.49 | reqol | that's not very nice ;_; |
| 04:34.43 | Codayus | There's probably a lesson here... |
| 04:35.12 | alestane | "Never log off of IRC?" |
| 04:35.24 | alestane | I don't know if that's a useful lesson. |
| 04:35.47 | alestane | Ooh! Ooh! [bar:0]! |
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| 04:38.20 | reqol | well, if anyone finds a log or if purl logs chat, could you throw me a link? thanks :D |
| 04:38.49 | alestane | What did you need to see? |
| 04:39.37 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 04:39.38 | purl | somebody said logs was apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:40.00 | Thunder_Child | there you go reqol |
| 04:42.34 | reqol | thanks |
| 04:43.12 | reqol | ! |
| 04:43.25 | Thunder_Child | your welcome!! |
| 04:44.37 | alestane | ~Thunder_Child |
| 04:44.37 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 04:44.48 | alestane | Um, never mind that. |
| 04:44.51 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 04:44.54 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 04:45.08 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 04:45.08 | purl | to save time, let's just assume i know everything |
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| 04:59.37 | Gngsk | is it possible to tell /click to do a right click instead of a left click? |
| 05:02.12 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 05:02.13 | purl | I'm retired, but i work part-time as a PAIN IN THE ASS |
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| 05:06.26 | Guillotine | hello to the future! (EST) |
| 05:06.51 | sag_ich_nicht | it's 2008 since 6 hours here, hush |
| 05:11.36 | reqol | ... |
| 05:11.46 | reqol | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ is about the most glorious thing I've ever witnessed. |
| 05:11.55 | reqol | I don't get out much :( |
| 05:12.54 | alestane | Happy New Year! |
| 05:13.08 | alestane | Akemashite Omedetou for anyone in the Orient! |
| 05:22.21 | Cairenn|afk | Happy New Years! |
| 05:22.37 | |Jelly| | Yeah...happy... We were on an hour wait...all...night...long... |
| 05:23.58 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
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| 05:24.26 | Thunder_Child | i still have 2 1/2 hours to go |
| 05:25.02 | sag_ich_nicht | but maybe someone else can help me, any idea why this macrosequence macro doesn't work properly? it should reset after 6 seconds, but it doesn't: http://pastey.net/79863 |
| 05:25.24 | alestane | Okay, wierd...[bar] appears to be always false, [nobar] appears to be always true...backwards from what I'd expect. |
| 05:29.44 | reqol | Thunder_Child: same here |
| 05:29.53 | reqol | <--- berkeley |
| 05:30.04 | Thunder_Child | Los Angeles for me |
| 05:31.24 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 05:31.24 | Thunder_Child | Shipping method: Ground |
| 05:31.24 | Thunder_Child | $6.66 |
| 05:31.30 | kd3 | woo for being one year closer to the y2.38k problem |
| 05:33.29 | reqol | does self generally universally replace the addons name? so if I wanted a variable myAddon_one could it be self_one? |
| 05:34.32 | reqol | as long as it's not used in other context, is what I mean |
| 05:35.12 | Fin | self is a way for an object to refer to itself |
| 05:35.19 | Fin | you need to read up on OO a bit, I think |
| 05:36.05 | Fin | not that I'm an expert myself |
| 05:36.29 | reqol | yes, but as I understand it (from being told), if you have myAddon and a function myAddon:myFunction, self:myFunction could be used to refer to it |
| 05:36.40 | reqol | so I was wondering if that continues on into other areas |
| 05:37.05 | Fin | well, it's not likely to be the "addon's name" - that would be just a string |
| 05:37.13 | Fin | and, what other areas? |
| 05:37.58 | reqol | if I could reference a variable in a similar manner. like myAddon_thisVariable could be references as self_thisVariable, used outside of any functions I mean |
| 05:38.04 | sag_ich_nicht | okay never mind the question, it works now. |
| 05:38.04 | alestane | reqol: Ace addons will act a little like what you're describing, but not for the reasons you seem to be supposing. |
| 05:39.24 | alestane | reqol: And the example you just gave doesn't work at all. |
| 05:40.34 | reqol | aye |
| 05:41.07 | alestane | If you have a function myAddon:myFunction(), then what you really have is a table (or frame, which are also tables) with a member element ["myFunction"] = function(self). |
| 05:43.27 | alestane | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
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| 05:43.32 | alestane | Night folks |
| 05:43.35 | reqol | alestane: yeah I'm looking at the pil now |
| 05:43.38 | reqol | night! thanks for the help |
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| 05:52.23 | reqol | the pil is down :( such horror. |
| 05:52.35 | reqol | google cache saves the day! |
| 05:53.49 | reqol | how does WoW handle things defined in the lua file outside of any functions or tables. such as local/normal variables/tables, especially ones that are also saved variables. are they changed everytime it loads, etc? |
| 05:54.33 | reqol | I have a table that does = { ["VERSION"] = "0.3" }. it's a saved variables, yet since I've had this addon since the first version, it hasn't overriden that value |
| 05:55.07 | Fin | you are not providing enough information |
| 05:55.39 | nymbia | that's enough info ;) |
| 05:55.44 | Fin | what are you doing with this variable, what were you expecting, and why? |
| 05:55.56 | reqol | it's the table that holds every variable in the file |
| 05:56.17 | reqol | in the savedvariables file, "VERSION" is still .01, despite it being .03 in the file |
| 05:56.18 | nymbia | since it's defined in the main block, it gets executed before VARIABLES_LOADED, and so it gets overwrote by the copy from SavedVars |
| 05:57.00 | reqol | wow. you managed to answer every question I had..thanks! |
| 05:57.32 | nymbia | :) |
| 05:57.50 | Fin | that's because nymbia is a font |
| 05:58.11 | nymbia | clearly i'm not drunk enough yet. |
| 05:58.18 | Fin | of wisdom |
| 06:04.49 | Thunder_Child | more like a font of liquer |
| 06:05.45 | Fin | veritably |
| 06:09.11 | Fin | boom! 350 fishing |
| 06:11.39 | reqol | yay! |
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| 07:09.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin how many catches do you need to gain 1 skillpoint at that level? |
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| 07:25.20 | Thunder_Child | someoen needs to come up with a vector based CCD style chip |
| 07:25.58 | Iriel | That requires a human style visual processing system |
| 07:26.19 | Iriel | and it wouldn't really be a vector based CCD, it'd be massive post processing on the result |
| 07:26.40 | Thunder_Child | i know, but it sounded better |
| 07:26.53 | Thunder_Child | still, it would be rather nice |
| 07:28.02 | Thunder_Child | "(23:25:24) (@Iriel) That requires a human style visual processing system" how is that? |
| 07:28.34 | Iriel | Well, finding the real lines in an image is a lot of work, especially in near real time |
| 07:28.53 | Iriel | we do it in our heads but I dont think software/hardware is anywhere near as good as we are yet |
| 07:30.06 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i would think if we got to the point where we could do that it would be far better then our processing system |
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| 07:31.45 | Thunder_Child | still we are getting closer. things like facial recognition is getting there due to the fact that if you can define features on a face you can "find the edges" |
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| 08:46.42 | reqol | ugh |
| 08:47.14 | reqol | my other computer has the command.exe trojan and I can't manually exit the process because I don't have access. is there a way to terminate it otherwise? spybot, AVG, and panda have all not been able to get rid of it |
| 08:48.19 | Lonny | delete it from real mode aka dos ? |
| 08:49.17 | reqol | attrib -h? |
| 08:50.06 | reqol | can't even get it to restart |
| 08:50.24 | reqol | not particularly fond of manually shutting down comps but I've no option in this cae |
| 08:50.46 | Lonny | You get access denied ? |
| 08:50.55 | reqol | s/cae/case/ |
| 08:51.00 | reqol | yes |
| 08:51.41 | Lonny | attrib -r |
| 08:52.32 | reqol | kk sec |
| 08:56.04 | Lonny | shutdown -r will force it to restart, shutdown -a will abort it. |
| 09:02.51 | reqol | ugh, it's so slow |
| 09:02.59 | reqol | why do people make this malicious software, it's so aggravating |
| 09:03.43 | sag_ich_nicht | shutdown -r -f -t 0 |
| 09:03.49 | sag_ich_nicht | instant reboot. |
| 09:04.03 | Lonny | yeah |
| 09:04.08 | reqol | then I start in what? |
| 09:05.55 | Lonny | Hmm well if none gonna make these mal softwares there won't be any security/anti-virus companies to earn money from it |
| 09:08.16 | reqol | safe mode? |
| 09:09.23 | Lonny | yeah, well if you don't have any booting disc it's the only option ? |
| 09:10.15 | sag_ich_nicht | what OS, reqol? |
| 09:10.18 | reqol | XP |
| 09:10.28 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 09:10.34 | sag_ich_nicht | and what trojan exactly are you refering to? |
| 09:10.38 | reqol | command.exe |
| 09:10.42 | reqol | and some other infections |
| 09:10.44 | reqol | that seem to thrive off it |
| 09:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 09:10.55 | sag_ich_nicht | reboot in safemode and try to kill it from there i guess |
| 09:11.06 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 09:11.08 | reqol | trying too, currently doing trial and error |
| 09:11.22 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll reboot now, because my videocard locked up again |
| 09:13.17 | reqol | it asks for a boot device and I have no idea which device ;_; normal and local drive both boot to XP obviously |
| 09:13.22 | reqol | the rest seem inconsequential |
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| 09:14.47 | Lonny | Hmm where was the command.com location again ? |
| 09:15.02 | Lonny | or was it command.exe ? |
| 09:15.11 | Lonny | ah command.exe hmm |
| 09:15.44 | reqol | it's in windows/something |
| 09:15.53 | reqol | it's a bunch of random letters as far as I can tell |
| 09:16.23 | Lonny | The system doesn't load ? or it's loading and the message popping during the start up ? |
| 09:17.01 | reqol | I restart and then |
| 09:17.05 | reqol | I click f12 for boot menu |
| 09:17.08 | reqol | it asks for a device |
| 09:17.10 | reqol | hold on |
| 09:17.42 | reqol | normal, floppy, hard disk, ide cd rom, lan, system setup, ide drive diagnotics, boot to utility partition |
| 09:17.51 | reqol | normal and hard disk both boot directly to XP without any other options |
| 09:18.43 | Lonny | use hard disk and right after hit F8 to load the config menu for safe mode |
| 09:19.10 | reqol | ah, thanks |
| 09:19.18 | reqol | safe mode with cmd prompt? |
| 09:19.19 | Lonny | np :) |
| 09:19.44 | Lonny | yeah, without networking. |
| 09:22.01 | reqol | ugh: Not resetting system file - C:\WINDOWS\QmVuIEtlBXA\command.exe |
| 09:23.05 | Lonny | what's the command you're typing ? |
| 09:23.33 | reqol | nvm |
| 09:23.37 | reqol | I got it using attrib command.exe -s -h |
| 09:23.49 | reqol | great, another problem. access denied |
| 09:23.56 | Lonny | -s -h -r |
| 09:24.13 | reqol | sweet triumph |
| 09:24.16 | reqol | I love you. |
| 09:24.21 | Lonny | :) |
| 09:24.33 | reqol | now to rid my computer of the several hundred other .dll files. fun. |
| 09:24.42 | Lonny | haha |
| 09:25.36 | reqol | at least it's gone, thanks. |
| 09:25.48 | Lonny | Anytime. |
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| 09:56.56 | nevcairiel | quick, ban him! |
| 09:59.22 | cncfanatics | ./mode #wowi-lounge +b cncfanatics |
| 10:08.07 | sag_ich_nicht | can we please just kill people like this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3709655309&sid=1 |
| 10:10.52 | Industrial | lolll |
| 10:10.59 | Industrial | why post there at all |
| 10:11.01 | Industrial | i wonder |
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| 10:43.19 | Rayne | O_o |
| 10:43.23 | Rayne | anyone awake? |
| 10:43.24 | sag_ich_nicht | mms://stream4.orf.at/oe1-wort Vienna New Year's Concert |
| 10:45.15 | Rayne | Kelfarr wasnt kidding. Alot of the new stuff on EJ is terrible. :/ |
| 10:45.49 | art3mis | ej? |
| 10:45.51 | sag_ich_nicht | hm? |
| 10:45.52 | sag_ich_nicht | link |
| 10:48.37 | Rayne | just go look in the post your UI thread :/ |
| 10:50.18 | Rayne | Also, Happy New Year everyone |
| 10:56.25 | sag_ich_nicht | now go turn on PBS :P |
| 10:56.40 | art3mis | sweet dawn of the dead extended is on |
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| 11:04.00 | Industrial | Rayne: linky? |
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| 11:42.15 | Corrodias | FINALLY got a group for heroic SV, survived one temporary subsitution and a healer replacement |
| 11:42.28 | Corrodias | but the bastard didn't drop my bow, nooooo |
| 11:45.56 | Corrodias | of course, we'll be doing "alt kara" runs more, and as one of the only alt hunters, i might get him the sunfury bow if it ever drops again |
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| 12:59.21 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
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| 15:44.38 | malreth | why the fuck am i awake so damn early? |
| 15:47.33 | Fisker- | ~seen cockwheel |
| 15:47.35 | purl | i haven't seen 'cockwheel', Fisker- |
| 15:47.35 | Fisker- | err |
| 15:47.37 | Fisker- | ~seen cogwheel |
| 15:47.38 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 20h 21m 8s ago, saying: 'u2'. |
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| 15:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ya? |
| 15:54.20 | [dRaCo] | rly? |
| 15:54.31 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly. |
| 15:54.33 | [dRaCo] | k |
| 15:57.20 | Lopeppeppy | Boring New Years, it's snowing like a bastard again. No Sweeny Todd for Peppy. |
| 16:04.52 | Lopeppeppy | Okay... If I were to be about to make the leap of faith and try Grid... which additional plugins might a paladin healer find tasty? |
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| 16:06.25 | Lopeppeppy | And is there a tutorial hanging around I might look at? I gave Grid a pass before because it was just too complex to set up... |
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| 16:26.08 | |Jelly| | Peppy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272277641&sid=1 |
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| 16:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, |Jelly| dear. My googlefu is... shattered today. |
| 16:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | I'll probably do the obscene and run Grid alongside in Kara tonight, see if I can grok it. |
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| 16:59.53 | malreth | Cide, can you teach me about love? |
| 17:00.08 | Cide | sure. what'dya wanna know? |
| 17:00.31 | malreth | How do you get a girl to like you on the first date? |
| 17:01.04 | [dRaCo] | alcohol |
| 17:01.30 | Cide | I'm afraid I'm pretty bad at that myself! |
| 17:01.53 | zenzelezz | Chef covered this, you just have to find the clitoris |
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| 17:02.16 | [dRaCo] | on the first date? gl. |
| 17:02.46 | malreth | Clitoris? Is that a kind of drink? |
| 17:03.19 | malreth | oh... gotta go... later all |
| 17:03.23 | Cide | yes, yes it is! |
| 17:03.28 | Cide | find it and you shall succeed |
| 17:03.33 | malreth | thanks for the clitoris! |
| 17:03.35 | Cide | anytime! |
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| 17:09.47 | alestane | >>> ("ABCDEF"):find"BC" |
| 17:09.47 | Cide | alestane: 2, 3 |
| 17:10.51 | cladhaire | that last exchange was submitted on bash |
| 17:10.53 | cladhaire | btw :P |
| 17:11.15 | JoshBorke | happy new year clad |
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| 17:11.21 | cladhaire | happy new year JoshBorke |
| 17:11.42 | alestane | What last exchange? |
| 17:11.51 | Cide | you missed it |
| 17:11.56 | alestane | Ah. |
| 17:12.09 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/79870 |
| 17:13.30 | alestane | o dear. |
| 17:14.26 | JoshBorke | anybody got a simple script to create a toc that optdeps addons with ! at the beginning of the name? |
| 17:16.04 | alestane | I still find it strange that the conditional [bar] always returns false, not true. |
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| 17:27.05 | foxlit | JoshBorke: all ! addons? |
| 17:27.31 | JoshBorke | foxlit: nvm, i only had 2 so i did it manually |
| 17:27.45 | foxlit | Shouldn't they get loaded first anyway? |
| 17:27.51 | JoshBorke | not in linux |
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| 18:50.26 | |pez| | Jeez, right now, I hate my dad. |
| 18:50.32 | |pez| | not a good way to start the new year. |
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| 18:59.59 | Astrrylian | Rawr! |
| 19:00.08 | Astrrylian | Happy New Year, all :) |
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| 19:02.55 | Astrrylian | I'm looking for an addon that I recall seeing before... Gave you a map of each boss' room, and allowed you to place markers for each group/character/target, that was sync'd with the rest of the raid, for aiding in positioning and strategy... |
| 19:03.05 | Astrrylian | Anyone know what that addon is? |
| 19:03.10 | Astrrylian | Hey Iriel |
| 19:03.34 | Iriel | Happy new year everyone |
| 19:03.52 | Astrrylian | You too :) |
| 19:08.38 | Astrrylian | Ah, found it, Curse has a year-old version of it... "Battle Planner"... Anyone use that or know of another addon that fills the same role? |
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| 19:12.06 | Iriel | Ooh, I found something facebook is good for... hosting a fast CPAN mirror! |
| 19:13.00 | Thunder_Child | you can host software on facebook? |
| 19:13.10 | Iriel | No, /they/ host the mirror |
| 19:13.14 | Iriel | I'm guessing they use a lot of perl |
| 19:13.24 | Thunder_Child | ah |
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| 19:16.33 | JoshBorke | happy new year irial |
| 19:16.35 | JoshBorke | erm, iriel |
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| 19:18.19 | MentalPower | Happy new year! |
| 19:23.58 | Industrial | MentalPower: \o/ |
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| 19:32.14 | Fisker- | better put a stop to that Iriel |
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| 19:39.27 | esteth | Astrrylian: I beleive RDX-Raid has a component called Quill which does much the same thing. I've never used it, however. |
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| 19:57.25 | sysrage | is there a macro flag for whether you're in a BG or not? |
| 19:57.48 | sysrage | so i can have a hotbar button that will use 1 trinket if i'm in a bg or another if i'm not? |
| 19:59.27 | sysrage | or can a macro use a trinket by the slot it's in instead of the name? |
| 20:00.05 | Thunder_Child | i think you can choose by slot |
| 20:00.09 | Thunder_Child | but i am not sure |
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| 20:02.33 | foxlit | /use (slot number) |
| 20:02.36 | foxlit | I think |
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| 20:14.38 | Thrae | So, any modular unit frame addons out there? |
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| 20:15.21 | foxlit | "modular"? |
| 20:16.11 | Thrae | Yeah, so I don't need the code and libraries for raid frames, party frames, etc. when all I need is just a Target Frame. |
| 20:17.33 | Thrae | Multiple stage modularization == less worry when one thing breaks down the road |
| 20:18.22 | Thrae | Not many borgish addons use it, unfortunately |
| 20:20.27 | JoshBorke | Thrae: have you looked at the different Ace/Rock UFs? |
| 20:22.05 | foxlit | Evil paraphrasing item |
| 20:22.20 | foxlit | A modularized system is one that prevents you from getting any work done when a module you've never heard of fails |
| 20:22.59 | foxlit | Coincidentially, I have a pattern problem |
| 20:23.13 | foxlit | [[Image:SomePicture.jpg|thumb|right|A description [[Page|with a link]]]] |
| 20:23.32 | foxlit | Getting the SomePicture.jpg out is easy, getting the full description is annoying me at the moment. |
| 20:23.56 | JoshBorke | what's optional and what isn't? |
| 20:24.09 | foxlit | Image:SomePicture.jpg isn't optional, the rest is |
| 20:24.44 | foxlit | I'll assume description isn't "left" or "right" or "thumb" on purpose |
| 20:24.57 | foxlit | And it's always the rightmost argument |
| 20:25.45 | foxlit | The pipe inside [[]] to denote a link in the description bothers me at the moment |
| 20:26.02 | foxlit | I could do args:match("[^|]+$") otherwise |
| 20:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | I would mail them to this guy in prison. http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/stetar_1253312___article.html/girl_police.html |
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| 21:30.21 | esteth | Is there a way to check if my addon is loaded if it isn't responding to slash commands? |
| 21:30.34 | Iriel | Look in the FrameXML.log ? |
| 21:31.31 | esteth | I'm a bit new to this. Where would i find the FrameXML.log? |
| 21:31.55 | Iriel | World of Warcraft/Logs |
| 21:33.20 | esteth | Thanks :) |
| 21:35.48 | Iriel | No problem 8-) |
| 21:36.45 | Corrodias | now this is annoying: |
| 21:37.07 | Corrodias | after playing long enough, suddenly my framerate will take a dive every time i am in combat |
| 21:37.13 | Corrodias | i have to reload my UI to make it stop |
| 21:37.45 | Corrodias | diagnosing this... that'll be tough. i'll have to run with cpu usage monitoring enabled all the time until it happens |
| 21:41.11 | MentalPower | esteth: /dump IsAddOnLoaded"SomeAddOnName" |
| 21:41.41 | MentalPower | not required :P |
| 21:41.58 | zenzelezz | more readble with |
| 21:42.01 | zenzelezz | +a |
| 21:42.03 | MentalPower | granted |
| 21:42.16 | esteth | Ahh. That's helpful. So my addon is loaded, but failing to do what i want it to :P |
| 21:42.32 | MentalPower | I've been dealing with non-WoW Lua and I see a lot of require"someLib" |
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| 21:59.35 | zenzelezz | I'll stop complaining about WoW's helm models after having just received this in Oblivion: http://guides.gamepressure.com/theelderscrolls4oblivion/gfx/word/101338375.jpg |
| 22:00.09 | Tuller_ | people play oblivion at that resolution? :) |
| 22:01.16 | zenzelezz | no idea, but I don't have a screenshot of my own right now... can't see a screenshot keybind in the settings and *if* it is printscreen, it saves to a directory I don't have shared right now >.< |
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| 22:42.26 | art3mis | http://video.gothi.ca/video/4mCDZMWVWuc/lewis-black-on-broadway-talking-about-how-america-isnt-1.html |
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| 22:58.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love lewis black |
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| 23:11.51 | esteth | Is there a way to store the "ID" of many monsters so that i can target them later, or is that not possible with the API? I can't find any way to do it on wowwiki. |
| 23:12.19 | Lukian | no |
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| 23:13.01 | zenzelezz | that is intentionally impossible; you can only use the specific unit IDs (target, focus, etc) |
| 23:13.13 | esteth | Ah, that's a shame. Thanks for the help though |
| 23:27.55 | Codayus | esteth: For certain very limited applications you can work around that. You can tell if any two unitids (target and focus, say) refer to the same mob. You can iterate through every target and focus in the raid, and build a *potentially* complete list of mobs in the raid. |
| 23:28.51 | Codayus | If the mob you want is unique in some way (raid icon, name, level), and is current referable via a unitid, then that kinda works, for some purposes. Sort of. |
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| 23:29.51 | Codayus | (This is ugly, hackish, inefficient, and probably doesn't do what you want, and if it does do what you want, will probably break too often to be useful.) |
| 23:29.54 | JoshBorke | but not really |
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| 23:43.52 | Shirik|AFK | because everyone's is |
| 23:43.59 | Shirik|AFK | well, for the most part |
| 23:44.01 | Shirik|AFK | !c us drenden kimina |
| 23:44.04 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Tue Jan 1 18:48:55 2008 EST ]] |
| 23:44.16 | bleeter | heh, two other toons of mine were showing fine |
| 23:44.17 | Shirik|AFK | which is logged in now, and last logged out |
| 23:44.25 | Shirik|AFK | maybe 12 hours ago |
| 23:47.42 | bleeter | :( why does my car have to stop working the day I was takin' babes to the beach :( |
| 23:47.54 | bleeter | ~fail bleeter |
| 23:47.54 | purl | bleeter: Fail. |
| 23:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | I've found the Armory to be hosed all day. Probably by the Lag Monster that keeps killing my Baby Toons. |
| 23:51.00 | bleeter | Every time Lag Monster kills a Baby Toon, a Titan masturbates? |
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