IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20071229

`00:00.31`	`Shirik`	`Oh Thunder_Child I should have said this earlier`
`00:00.48`	`Shirik`	`try replacing the ribbon cable when you get a chance and try to read the SMART data again`
`00:00.52`	`cogwheel`	`<3 Nitelily`
`00:00.54`	`cogwheel`	`Try looking at the FAQ for creating macros. It's very simply syntax. A 7 year old half-retard with a severe case of ADHD can handle it.`
`00:00.57`	`cogwheel`	`+quotes`
`00:00.58`	`Shirik`	`oh it's SATA, well replace the cable :P`
`00:01.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's a new cable`
`00:01.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`!!!`
`00:01.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Cogwheel. Agree, for different amounts of love.`
`00:01.24`	`Shirik`	`>>> "new" == "known-good"`
`00:01.24`	`Cide`	`Shirik: false`
`00:02.01`	`Shirik`	`though inability to read SMART data is typically a sign of a failing drive, it is somewhat often the case that a bad cable can cause it`
`00:02.19`	`Shirik`	`At least this is the case on PATA drives`
`00:02.27`	`Shirik`	`never really messed with SMART much on SATA`
`00:03.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik... that's so technical it's hawt. :P`
`00:03.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lopeppeppy, nope, still not`
`00:03.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`try all you like though`
`00:04.01`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: ?`
`00:04.06`	`Shirik`	`And Lopeppeppy <3`
`00:04.23`	`Shirik`	`I totally agree`
`00:04.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lopeppeppy doesnt agree with me and thinks that geek & sex mix`
`00:04.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, though i am going to back up my users folder`
`00:04.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm under appreciated in some venues, and poor Thunder_Child will never see the benefit of geek girls and BJ's being in the same house.`
`00:04.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`all 12.7GB of it....`
`00:05.00`	`Shirik`	`ah right I remember this discussion before`
`00:05.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nickles is money too guys`
`00:05.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`use nickels`
`00:05.11`	`Shirik`	`on second thought Thunder_Child don't bother with the cable`
`00:05.21`	`Shirik`	`I just checked the SATA pinouts, that's not going to be the cause`
`00:05.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My halloween costume, finally a photo that turned out. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chazari/2104830608/in/set-72157602788063614/`
`00:05.32`	`Shirik`	`assuming the drive is working at least partially (which it seems to be)`
`00:05.36`	`zenzelezz`	`gah, be careful about your abbreviations peppy >.<`
`00:05.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What did YOU think bj was?`
`00:06.03`	`Shirik`	`a name?`
`00:06.07`	`Shirik`	`what is a BJ?`
`00:06.13`	`Corrodias`	`let me show you`
`00:06.18`	`Xuerian`	`o.o`
`00:06.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`well dont ferget we are talking about geejs and sex...`
`00:06.22`	`Shirik`	`that's probably not a good idea`
`00:06.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`forget*`
`00:06.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik, darlin'... I'm a married spud. Talk to Corrodias.`
`00:06.27`	`Xuerian`	`Children, SHIELD YOUR EYES`
`00:06.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`heeks*`
`00:06.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`MEH!`
`00:06.40`	`Corrodias`	`we're talking about leeks`
`00:06.49`	`Xuerian`	`leekspin :D`
`00:06.55`	`Corrodias`	`i've never had leeks. i want some.`
`00:06.56`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child does fail`
`00:07.20`	`Shirik`	`and I hope to prove Thunder_Child wrong at some point too, but unlikely. I'll probably just prove it`
`00:07.22`	`Shirik`	`er`
`00:07.25`	`Shirik`	`I hope to disprove*`
`00:07.27`	`Shirik`	`damn it.`
`00:07.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`All y'all need more World of Porncraft in your diet.`
`00:07.37`	`Shirik`	`no wait, I hope to prove Thunder_Child wrong! Yes I was right.`
`00:07.39`	`Shirik`	`I need to go tl spee.`
`00:07.44`	`Shirik`	`to sleep -_-`
`00:07.49`	`zenzelezz`	`totally untrue peppy`
`00:07.51`	`Xuerian`	`you don't say`
`00:07.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow, your as bad as me`
`00:08.11`	`zenzelezz`	`with three monitors you can play WoW, watch porn and hit on suspected girls on IRC at the same time`
`00:08.17`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: That's a halloween costume?`
`00:08.20`	`Shirik`	`it looks like a graveyard`
`00:08.24`	`Xuerian`	`I'm just one short of that :(`
`00:08.33`	`foxlit`	`That's good, though`
`00:08.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You're just set, zenzelezz. And yes, Shirik, that's me in a ghoul costume in a plastic graveyard at my girlfriend's halloween party.`
`00:08.42`	`Shirik`	`oh I see now. Needed to get closer ><`
`00:08.43`	`foxlit`	`Less FBI agents taking interest in you that way`
`00:08.47`	`Shirik`	`that's kinda cool`
`00:09.10`	`Shirik`	`I unfortunately have no one to have fun with on halloween`
`00:09.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I shall have to throw an uber party then.`
`00:09.47`	`Shirik`	`and some day when I'm not as poor as my wow character I might actually be able to go`
`00:10.01`	`Xuerian`	`I think ... I can ... see a face!`
`00:10.11`	`Xuerian`	`I think.`
`00:10.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`chuckle I've been known to watch the Superbowl across Vent with a friend in Canada... long distance partying is possible.`
`00:10.33`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`00:10.37`	`Xuerian`	`Looks slightly like catwoman...`
`00:10.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Xuerian, you shouldn't. I have a black full face mask as part of the costume.`
`00:10.50`	`zenzelezz`	`but you miss some aspects of actualy interaction`
`00:10.52`	`Xuerian`	`Then I see eyes :D`
`00:10.58`	`zenzelezz`	`-y`
`00:11.07`	`Xuerian`	`zenzelezz: Some > None`
`00:11.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`laugh`
`00:11.17`	`zenzelezz`	`I prefer missing none`
`00:11.31`	`Xuerian`	`zenzelezz: And that's why you're a lonely smurf`
`00:11.44`	`zenzelezz`	`no, there are entirely different reasons for that`
`00:11.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`At least it's a friendship activity to do. And I have no one around here to watch football with, so I make do.`
`00:12.13`	`Shirik`	`you know Thunder_Child`
`00:12.18`	`Shirik`	`if Lopeppeppy is already married then she already proved you wrong, didn't she?`
`00:12.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
`00:12.32`	`Shirik`	`no?`
`00:12.36`	`Xuerian`	`Thunder_Child is in denial.`
`00:12.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol, deleting things in windows. Items Remaining: 108, 87, 35, 10, 205.....wtf....`
`00:12.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thunder_Child is making no assumptions about my love life?`
`00:12.53`	`Shirik`	`~emulate Thunder_Child`
`00:12.54`	`purl`	`Save your breath ...you'll need it to blow up your date`
`00:12.59`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`00:13.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Burn, purl!`
`00:13.27`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: I would laugh`
`00:13.29`	`Shirik`	`but it's better than my applications`
`00:13.45`	`Shirik`	`"Using -1 threads out of 5 in pool" "Using 6 threads out of 5 in pool"`
`00:13.51`	`Shirik`	`both are in the same application right now`
`00:13.58`	`Shirik`	`and I have rewritten the code that monitors that about 5 times now`
`00:13.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`well add them together and it works`
`00:14.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano)`
`00:14.23`	`Cide`	`using 5 threads out of 10 in pool`
`00:14.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lopeppeppy, no, no assumptions about your love life`
`00:15.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am simply pointing out then that you are not infact a true geek`
`00:15.17`	`Shirik`	`I think she is :)`
`00:15.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`and that was a convoluted sentance`
`00:15.52`	`Shirik`	`quick question about SATA pinouts for anyone who might know: What is "A" and "B"?`
`00:15.59`	`Shirik`	`Shouldn't there only be one set of TX/RX?`
`00:16.09`	`Cide`	`the first two letters in the alphabet`
`00:16.15`	`Shirik`	`....`
`00:16.17`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~poke Cide`
`00:16.17`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`00:16.21`	`Corrodias`	`i like making assumptions about people's love lives`
`00:16.23`	`Corrodias`	`and imagining them`
`00:16.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think I'm pretty geeky. But I'm willing to admit that there are much more geeky people than I, without invalidating my own geekhood.`
`00:16.32`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~lart Corrodias`
`00:16.32`	`purl`	`shoots Corrodias in his sleep`
`00:16.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, http://pinouts.ru/HD/serialATA_pinout.shtml ?`
`00:16.38`	`Cide`	`~lart Corrodias`
`00:16.38`	`purl`	`installs a bad bootloader on Corrodias and turns Corrodias into a brick`
`00:16.44`	`Shirik`	`hey... NBC 4 has a showing on WoW right now`
`00:16.46`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not geeky enough; i just can't handle it`
`00:17.21`	`Shirik`	`ROFL`
`00:17.24`	`Shirik`	`Ok I'm stop watching this now`
`00:17.28`	`Shirik`	`"The newest game out, MapleStory"`
`00:17.35`	`Shirik`	`I'm like "WTF maplestory has been out for at least 5 years now"`
`00:18.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`New to them, maybe.... ugh. laugh`
`00:18.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`WTB "up to the minute live coverage of hot news" as relates to geeks.`
`00:18.35`	`Shirik`	`I played MS in high school, ok?`
`00:18.46`	`Shirik`	`agree about geek news`
`00:18.48`	`Shirik`	`and not /.`
`00:19.22`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: I know that`
`00:19.25`	`Shirik`	`but what is "A" and "B" ?`
`00:19.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`what do you mean what is "A"?`
`00:19.56`	`Shirik`	`I can only see a need for one set of Tx/Rx unless I'm wrong and SATA cables can actually have 2 devices on them like PATA ones`
`00:20.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`they do`
`00:20.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`err..`
`00:20.12`	`Shirik`	`oh so you can?`
`00:20.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA`
`00:20.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`wait`
`00:20.16`	`Shirik`	`because I've only ever seen them with one`
`00:20.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Cogwheel darlin', there's not a face-picture of me on her flickr. The redhead you'll see is her sister, a very nice lady but not me.`
`00:20.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`DON'T STOP`
`00:20.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`BELIEVIN'`
`00:20.28`	`cogwheel`	`;)`
`00:21.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thanks for lookin' though. wink Makes a girl feel loved.`
`00:21.00`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: you know you're going to have to show us your face sometime, right?`
`00:21.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik.... Jelly can vouch for me. Otherwise, it's all one at a time. :P`
`00:21.41`	`Corrodias`	`oh man, rabies, i love you and your music`
`00:21.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, you mean pins 2/3 and 5/6?`
`00:21.52`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: yes`
`00:22.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`"The SATA standard defines a data cable with seven conductors (3 grounds and 4 active data lines in two pairs)"`
`00:22.11`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: =( But I'm a friend of \|Jelly\|`
`00:22.17`	`Shirik`	`I think`
`00:22.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`so, they are 2 pairs`
`00:22.34`	`Shirik`	`two pairs of lines`
`00:22.39`	`Shirik`	`that makes it parallel...`
`00:22.46`	`Shirik`	`why do people call things serial when it`
`00:22.48`	`Shirik`	`it's not`
`00:22.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, more like twisted cable`
`00:22.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`pairs`
`00:22.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm a shy girl, Shirik. What can I say.`
`00:23.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Journey also rules, a lot.`
`00:23.13`	`zenzelezz`	`you don't quite give that impression`
`00:23.24`	`Shirik`	`IRC allows you to be a bit more bold, zenzelezz`
`00:23.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But I wish I looked that good in an animal print blouse and jeans. Whee.`
`00:23.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sharing pictures is one of those safety-things that girls get all hung up about sometimes.`
`00:23.56`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: I'm the same way, only reason I know :P`
`00:23.59`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: no wai :-p`
`00:24.07`	`Shirik`	`anyway`
`00:24.20`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: there's no twisting though, and transmitting in two pairs implies that it's not serial`
`00:24.26`	`Shirik`	`unless you only use one pair at a time`
`00:24.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`up/down?`
`00:24.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man`
`00:24.46`	`Shirik`	`tx/rx`
`00:24.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have the best gift cards to friends`
`00:24.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`LOOK AT THIS DOG CHECK THAT SHIT OUT THAT IS A MOTHERFUCKING DOG HELL YES`
`00:24.56`	`Shirik`	`you only need two lines for that`
`00:24.57`	`Shirik`	`not 4`
`00:24.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`with a picture of a dog`
`00:25.02`	`zenzelezz`	`transmit/receive?`
`00:25.17`	`Shirik`	`yes. One line is tx on one side, rx on the other side. Reversed on the other line.`
`00:25.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Texas/Perscription`
`00:25.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`prescription`
`00:25.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rather`
`00:25.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`beter throughput then?`
`00:25.57`	`Shirik`	`yes but "better throughput" doesn't make it serial :P`
`00:26.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`super serial`
`00:26.16`	`Shirik`	`Though I wonder if that's how they made the change from 150Mbps to 300Mbps`
`00:26.40`	`Shirik`	`but I'm just nit-picking`
`00:26.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ugh. Can't take any more love ballads rock.... music is so hard!`
`00:26.57`	`Shirik`	`aren't "ballad" and "rock" mutually exclusive?`
`00:27.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`meat loaf`
`00:27.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i rest my case`
`00:27.14`	`Shirik`	`who's that?`
`00:27.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`bad`
`00:27.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's meat loaf`
`00:27.35`	`Shirik`	`bad?`
`00:27.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GNhdQRbXhc`
`00:28.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`meat loaf is awesome okay`
`00:28.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`meat loaf is bad`
`00:28.04`	`Shirik`	`not watching :P`
`00:28.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`meat loaf is awesome okay`
`00:28.14`	`zenzelezz`	`he has approximately one recognized song that he keeps doing with every single artist he can get a hold of`
`00:28.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`although they did do one song i liked i think`
`00:28.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he apparently sang with pavarotti`
`00:28.52`	`Shirik`	`Seal is good`
`00:29.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVEGhtMxvUQ`
`00:29.05`	`Shirik`	`there need to be more people like that`
`00:29.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`seal is bad`
`00:29.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`His song with pavarotti is.... more than excellent.`
`00:29.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`seal is very bad`
`00:29.19`	`Shirik`	`pavarotti = <3 <3`
`00:29.28`	`Shirik`	`wait he had a song with pavarotti?`
`00:29.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i remember liking the song from batman forever`
`00:29.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVEGhtMxvUQ`
`00:29.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And I do love the video for "I would do anything for love". It's extremely creative.`
`00:29.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just linked it`
`00:30.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And you can find the link for "Anything for Love" off Mr_Rabies2's link.`
`00:30.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Meatloaf had a broadway background, IIRC, before rock and roll.`
`00:30.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`00:30.38`	`Shirik`	`oh meatloaf and pavarotti?`
`00:30.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he's very, very theatrical`
`00:30.57`	`Shirik`	`I see now`
`00:31.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`his role in the tenacious d movie was great`
`00:31.03`	`Shirik`	`thought it was some hardcore rap stuff`
`00:31.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no`
`00:31.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`meat loaf is rock opera`
`00:31.26`	`Shirik`	`oh that's awesome`
`00:31.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`more opera than rock in this case`
`00:31.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My wireless SUCKS for this, arrrrrghgggghhhhlllll!`
`00:31.54`	`Xinhuan`	`is 1/0 a number in lua?`
`00:31.56`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: you aren ot allowed to complain about that`
`00:32.00`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: yes`
`00:32.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man`
`00:32.06`	`Shirik`	`lua> print(1/0, type(1/0)`
`00:32.10`	`Shirik`	`>>> print(1/0, type(1/0))`
`00:32.11`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1.#INF, "number"`
`00:32.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have got to take vocal lessons`
`00:32.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have a great vocal range`
`00:32.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just no control atm`
`00:32.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i want to either voice act or sing i think`
`00:32.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`perhaps both`
`00:32.39`	`Xinhuan`	`>>> tonumber(tostring(1/0))`
`00:32.39`	`Cide`	`Xinhuan: nil`
`00:32.48`	`Shirik`	`Mr_Rabies2: That video is great`
`00:32.50`	`Xinhuan`	`i think that's the only number that fails on that?`
`00:32.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`There's a reason why I pay for a cable modem when the wireless is FREE.`
`00:33.05`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: All NaNs fail on that I think`
`00:33.16`	`Shirik`	`>>> print(0/0, tostring(0/0))`
`00:33.16`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -1.#IND, "-1.#IND"`
`00:33.19`	`Shirik`	`oop nm`
`00:33.22`	`Shirik`	`guess not`
`00:33.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=hvvjiE4AdUI`
`00:33.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he's great in the tenacious d movie`
`00:33.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I took a voice minor in college, Mr_Rabies2. It's hard work, but so very rewarding.`
`00:33.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's probably my favorite song in the movie`
`00:34.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`becuase 1) jack black 2)meat loaf 3) dio`
`00:34.05`	`zenzelezz`	`so when will you sing for us peppy?`
`00:34.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`When my current RL issues are over and I get a voice back?`
`00:34.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`shirik: he was in rocky horror picture show`
`00:35.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`He was great in Rocky Horror. "What's for dinner?"`
`00:36.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Dio needs be in more movies`
`00:36.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and games`
`00:36.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he's gonna be in brutal legend`
`00:36.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`both voice acting and some of his songs`
`00:36.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't wait for brutal legend, tim schaefer + jack black + dio + lemmy = yes`
`00:38.50`	`Cide`	`the problem with the 1/0 thing is that tonumber() doesn't recognize it as a valid number format`
`00:38.57`	`Cide`	`(and it really isn't, so...)`
`00:39.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`'kay guys, enough avoidance I think. I should have dinner and do something constructive. Kiss-kiss and happy new year in much-advance.`
`00:39.34`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@rrcs-24-39-205-82.nys.biz.rr.com)`
`00:39.43`	`Shirik`	`>>> print(tostring(1/0))`
`00:39.43`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "1.#INF"`
`00:39.48`	`Shirik`	`print(tostring(0/0))`
`00:39.53`	`Shirik`	`>>^`
`00:39.54`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "-1.#IND"`
`00:41.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`>>> print(tostring(599/0))`
`00:41.05`	`Cide`	`Mr_Rabies2: "1.#INF"`
`00:41.18`	`Shirik`	`>>> print(tonumber(tostring(0/0))`
`00:41.20`	`Shirik`	`>>> print(tonumber(tostring(0/0)))`
`00:41.21`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`00:41.26`	`Shirik`	`ok there's your answer Xinhuan`
`00:41.28`	`Shirik`	`all NaNs fail`
`00:41.30`	`Iriel`	`Random picture of the day http://partialobscurity.deviantart.com/art/Dripped-Upon-73208282`
`00:41.49`	`Xinhuan`	`time to bug ace3 ppl`
`00:42.05`	`Xinhuan`	`their serializer fails on NaNs`
`00:42.14`	`Shirik`	`stop having NaNs!`
`00:42.27`	`Shirik`	`or do you expect to have a combat message like this?`
`00:42.30`	`Shirik`	`~whalecrit Xinhuan`
`00:42.31`	`purl`	`ACTION crits Xinhuan with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Xinhuan dies`
`00:42.40`	`Xinhuan`	`i didn't do anything, merely read thru code`
`00:43.30`	`Xinhuan`	`>>> t = {} t[0/0] = "a" print(t[1/0])`
`00:43.44`	`Xinhuan`	`error:1: table index is NaN`
`00:43.45`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`00:43.49`	`Shirik`	`0/0 != 1/0 btw`
`00:43.57`	`Shirik`	`1/0 == 2/0 though`
`00:43.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my random picture is better iriel`
`00:44.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6650/1198888442151xw3.jpg`
`00:44.02`	`Xinhuan`	`apparently, NaNs can't be table indexes`
`00:44.10`	`Shirik`	`0/0 is indeterminate, 1/0 is +/- infinity`
`00:44.24`	`Xinhuan`	`so the point is moot ;d`
`00:44.26`	`Iriel`	`Mr_Rabies2: Hard to tell who looks less happy in that one`
`00:44.36`	`Shirik`	`though this would be interesting`
`00:44.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`Iriel, is that picture 1:1 or greater?`
`00:45.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've seen a photoshop of that one iriel`
`00:45.26`	`Shirik`	`>>> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) if k == 1/0 then return "+/- Infinity" else return k end end}); print(t[0/0], t[1/0], t[2/0], t[4]);`
`00:45.27`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -1.#IND, "+/- Infinity", "+/- Infinity", 4`
`00:45.27`	`Xinhuan`	`>>> t = {} t[1/0] = "a" print(t[2/0])`
`00:45.27`	`Cide`	`Xinhuan: "a"`
`00:45.30`	`Shirik`	`that's fun`
`00:45.30`	`Iriel`	`It's a 1:1 lens, though on a DX format camera I doubt that counts`
`00:45.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`where the baby's head, the lollipop, and the guy's head and switched around in various ways`
`00:45.55`	`Shirik`	`>>> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) if k == 1/0 then return "+/- Infinity" elseif k == 0/0 then return "Undefined" else return k end end}); print(t[0/0], t[1/0], t[2/0], t[4]);`
`00:45.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`because if it is not 1:1 or grater they will kick it out of the macro section`
`00:45.55`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -1.#IND, "+/- Infinity", "+/- Infinity", 4`
`00:45.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`s/d and s/d are s/`
`00:45.59`	`Xinhuan`	`ok so 1/0 can be a table index, but 0/0 can't be a table index`
`00:46.02`	`Shirik`	`ha! 0/0 != 0/0 ?`
`00:46.09`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: Yeah makes sense`
`00:46.15`	`Shirik`	`0/0 is undefined. 1/0 has a clear definition`
`00:46.19`	`Iriel`	`Thunder_Child: It wouldn't be less than 1:1`
`00:46.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok`
`00:47.06`	`Iriel`	`though I suppose it depends how you measure, what IS their definition`
`00:47.07`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: I'm considering buying a D300 in the next few weeks. You've had it for a bit, anything to say against it?`
`00:47.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lifesize or greater`
`00:47.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`they sent me a post on it but i cant find it again`
`00:47.36`	`Iriel`	`Thunder_Child: Life size on whose monitor?`
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`00:47.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, lifesize being 1:1 or greater`
`00:48.09`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Only that I haven't figured out where they've hidden all of the buttons yet, and that it didn't work with my old flash (though that wasn't hard to remedy)`
`00:48.21`	`Shirik`	`heh well I don't have any "old flash"`
`00:48.32`	`Shirik`	`well, not that I anticpate will work with any new camera`
`00:48.40`	`Iriel`	`it's got a built in flash too, so you only need an extra flash if you have a bulky lens`
`00:49.02`	`Shirik`	`I prefer external flashes anyway. It's nice if you want a higher shutter speed when you need a flash`
`00:49.28`	`Shirik`	`my camera's built-in flash can only sync up to 1/90`
`00:49.32`	`Iriel`	`Yeah, it actually 'works' just fine with my old flash, it just loses all of the automatic features (focal length adjustment, TTL metering, etc)`
`00:57.48`	`Shirik`	`but nothing really show-stopping about it?`
`00:57.56`	`Shirik`	`anything "great" about it?`
`01:00.20`	`Corrodias`	`gaming is good at teaching you to type faster`
`01:00.30`	`Corrodias`	`such as when trying to have a conversation during a fight`
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`01:52.38`	`Industrial`	`I fail to understand how one silve bar can be worth one silver coin`
`01:53.14`	`Industrial`	`or maybe, wait..`
`01:53.18`	`Industrial`	`yes. I'm just bored.`
`01:56.14`	`Industrial`	`Zero no tsukaima Futatsuki no Kishi!`
`01:56.25`	`kd3`	`what a disaster of a sequel`
`01:56.35`	`kd3`	`'course, 2007 was just bad for sequels overall`
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`02:16.50`	`Industrial`	`first ep was ok`
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`02:28.57`	`Shirik`	`Hey Iriel / Thunder_Child this has always bugged me. For a film camera it makes sense to me, but what meaning exactly does ISO 100/200/400 etc have for a digital camera?`
`02:29.02`	`Shirik`	`There's no chemical to react differently`
`02:29.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`light sensitivitey`
`02:29.18`	`Shirik`	`Well yeah I know that much`
`02:29.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, not spelled right`
`02:29.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's a chip, you can make it dance circles if you want to`
`02:29.50`	`Shirik`	`but is that it? Like with film you will have more granular picture with ISO 1600 film compared to ISO 100`
`02:30.00`	`Shirik`	`which is the reason for things like push processing`
`02:30.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`it does what you want to, either by allowing more or less light to be 'captured'`
`02:30.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`same thing`
`02:30.23`	`Shirik`	`so I won't lose quality by going up to ISO 400 for example?`
`02:30.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`still get the same grainy feel`
`02:30.27`	`Shirik`	`you do?`
`02:30.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`02:30.33`	`Iriel`	`Gain in the CCD`
`02:30.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's the exact same`
`02:30.47`	`Iriel`	`you get more noise in the pixel values the higher you push the sensitivity`
`02:30.51`	`Shirik`	`ah fair enough`
`02:30.53`	`Iriel`	`just like an audio amplifier.`
`02:30.55`	`Shirik`	`I guess that makes sense`
`02:31.10`	`Shirik`	`I didn't think about that`
`02:31.14`	`Iriel`	`generally theres a range through which there's no noticable difference (you're just slowing your exposure)`
`02:31.22`	`Iriel`	`then you hit a point and the noise starts to show up`
`02:31.32`	`Shirik`	`yeah, the same with differential amps, etc.`
`02:31.44`	`Shirik`	`thanks`
`02:32.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`same process different way`
`02:33.08`	`Shirik`	`yeah the "different way" is what's been confusing me, mostly probably because I don't understand the internals of how a CCD works`
`02:33.13`	`Shirik`	`I need to learn that stuff`
`02:33.55`	`Shirik`	`omg I don't have BC on this computer`
`02:33.55`	`Shirik`	`nooo`
`02:34.00`	`Shirik`	`guess I have more to download =(`
`02:34.04`	`Iriel`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor`
`02:34.11`	`Iriel`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter`
`02:34.16`	`Iriel`	`Fun reading while your BC downloads`
`02:34.35`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`02:34.36`	`Shirik`	`thanks`
`02:36.02`	`Shirik`	`ow, 1.1GB`
`02:36.04`	`Shirik`	`this hotel is going to hate me`
`02:38.53`	`Shirik`	`what is this`
`02:38.59`	`Shirik`	`the Java api provides a package javax.comm`
`02:39.07`	`Shirik`	`for serial communications... but it's not implemented on Windows`
`02:39.15`	`Iriel`	`there's probably a download for it`
`02:39.41`	`Shirik`	`well I could write my own native drivers for it, it's easy stuff in Windows. Just saying it's kinda wierd :/`
`02:40.12`	`Iriel`	`http://rxtx.org/`
`02:41.05`	`Shirik`	`<3`
`02:41.35`	`Iriel`	`I've used that on linux successfully`
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`02:43.11`	`kd3`	`ahaha. just got some spam: "Don't know where to go to get pills? / Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: FATAL: sorry, too many cl"`
`02:43.20`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`02:43.28`	`Shadowed`	`>>> local tbl = { "One", "Two" }; print(table.remove(tbl, 1))`
`02:43.35`	`Shadowed`	`hmm`
`02:43.36`	`Shadowed`	`damn cide`
`02:43.47`	`Shirik`	`Shadowed: "One"`
`02:44.02`	`Shadowed`	`thats what I assumed!`
`02:45.49`	`Shirik`	`--> "Test"`
`02:45.50`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > Test`
`02:46.03`	`Shirik`	`--> local tbl = {"One", "Two"}; print(table.remove(tbl, 1))`
`02:46.04`	`batbot`	`Shirik: One`
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`02:46.08`	`Shirik`	`=)`
`02:46.14`	`Shadowed`	`too many triggers to remember`
`02:46.17`	`Shadowed`	`since everyone has their own luabot`
`02:46.36`	`Shirik`	`I'm a lua bot! :D`
`02:47.16`	`Shirik`	`I am like QNX's HAM Guardian. I take over if one of the triggers fail :D`
`03:01.22`	`art3mis`	`You're a Ham Demon?`
`03:01.37`	`Industrial`	`no guardian`
`03:01.44`	`Industrial`	`guardian of ham's!`
`03:01.51`	`Industrial`	`or hams`
`03:02.10`	`Shirik`	`High Availability Manager...`
`03:02.29`	`Shirik`	`basically it's a piece of software that watches over services and tries to recover when in a state of failure`
`03:03.06`	`Shirik`	`that may be anything as simple as restarting a daemon to taking a snapshot of the entire state, restarting the OS, pulling back the service, and requeuing requests so that they may be correctly handled`
`03:03.51`	`Shirik`	`The HAM guardian is a piece of software that watches over the HAM ready to "step in" if the HAM fails`
`03:03.59`	`Shirik`	`the guardian becomes the new HAM (after creating a new guardian)`
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`03:07.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`"where are you going?" "I am leaving, you are about to explode."`
`03:08.20`	`Shirik`	`o.o;?`
`03:08.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`??`
`03:08.36`	`Lukian`	`haha`
`03:09.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`(random quote from what i am watching)`
`03:09.35`	`Shirik`	`it kinda fit in well with my discussion of QNX's high availability features :P`
`03:09.43`	`Shirik`	`what are you watching?`
`03:09.56`	`Shirik`	`family guy?`
`03:10.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Stargate SG-1`
`03:10.08`	`Shirik`	`ah`
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`03:30.00`	`Corrodias`	`time to turn on CPU profiling and figure out what addon(s) is responsible for all these frame drops during raid fights`
`03:31.09`	`Shirik`	`$5 says it's an Ace addon`
`03:31.36`	`Corrodias`	`Ace2 is pretty high on the list of cpu usage while idle :P`
`03:31.41`	`Corrodias`	`i think this will be not very useful`
`03:32.52`	`art3mis`	`are you running pitbull?`
`03:32.57`	`art3mis`	`or anything that ckk made?`
`03:33.06`	`art3mis`	`those are pretty good for that ;)`
`03:38.05`	`Corrodias`	`probably got a couple ckk ones`
`03:38.25`	`Corrodias`	`i've got like 400 if you count libraries, so even the process of checking which ones are using CPU takes more than most of them do while idle`
`03:38.33`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`03:38.51`	`art3mis`	`whats your spell setting on in the interface menu?`
`03:39.01`	`art3mis`	`thats another really awesome frame killer in raids`
`03:39.39`	`Corrodias`	`high, but this isn't all due to spells`
`03:39.51`	`art3mis`	`pausey lag?`
`03:39.56`	`Corrodias`	`there's a particular jerkiness to it, yeah`
`03:40.08`	`Corrodias`	`i suspect some addon is getting too work-happy during a common combat event`
`03:40.26`	`art3mis`	`i had that once when my tot buffs were enabled`
`03:40.59`	`Corrodias`	`i'll just detach my performancefu tooltip during the next fight`
`03:41.23`	`Corrodias`	`big surprise, performancefu, ace2, and tabletlib are on top while idle! oh noes!`
`03:41.38`	`art3mis`	`better get rid of them!`
`03:41.45`	`Corrodias`	`:D`
`03:42.13`	`art3mis`	`tabletlib loads keyloggerlib ;P`
`03:44.02`	`Corrodias`	`once again, itemrack and trinketmenu leap to the top of the cpu list with over 5% each, for some reason`
`03:44.02`	`Shirik`	`Whom is carvatar and why do I feel the sudden need to shoot him`
`03:44.06`	`Corrodias`	`although i think the UI reload fixed the whole jerkyness`
`03:44.08`	`Shirik`	`who*`
`03:44.35`	`art3mis`	`did measureup replace the old transcenderpractice tests?`
`03:46.47`	`Corrodias`	`but during a raid is not the best time to go testing addons`
`03:47.31`	`art3mis`	`sure it is`
`03:47.34`	`art3mis`	`you're not important`
`03:47.56`	`art3mis`	`raids are a team effort where everyone needs to be good and flexible enough to cover when people suck ;P`
`03:48.05`	`Corrodias`	`i can't imagine what itemrack and trinketmenu, neither of which contain embedded libraries, are doing so much of during combat`
`03:48.30`	`art3mis`	`itemrack autoswap events on death?`
`03:48.36`	`art3mis`	`or before death`
`03:48.59`	`Corrodias`	`not mine`
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`03:49.12`	`Corrodias`	`in fact, on this character, i have no events set up`
`03:49.40`	`art3mis`	`maybe your computer just sucks ;P`
`03:50.06`	`Corrodias`	`MSBT is taking far less CPU time than itemrack during combat :P so SOMETHING is wrong.`
`03:51.45`	`Shirik`	`quick question: /cast !Cat Form`
`03:52.00`	`Shirik`	`Will this not cast cat form if you are already in cat form?`
`03:52.05`	`Shirik`	`It's not a toggleable ability...`
`03:52.09`	`Corrodias`	`i've never used ! before`
`03:52.11`	`Shirik`	`it's just an ability that goes off and on`
`03:52.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`Corrodias, maybe itemrack keeps chekcing if combat is ended to do any pending switches`
`03:52.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`checking badly`
`03:52.33`	`Corrodias`	`but we have events for that`
`03:52.40`	`Corrodias`	`as for trinketmenu, wtf on that one`
`03:52.43`	`art3mis`	`trinketmenu also has a default feature to swap trinkets`
`03:52.57`	`art3mis`	`depending on what you click`
`03:53.07`	`art3mis`	`so it could be monitoring cooldowns as well`
`03:53.12`	`Corrodias`	`true`
`03:53.22`	`Corrodias`	`hm, no, omnicc is handling that`
`03:55.07`	`Shirik`	`<3 \|Jelly\|`
`04:19.08`	`Shirik`	`fine then \|Jelly\|`
`04:19.15`	`Shirik`	`</3`
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`04:30.35`	`mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Veins/ :)`
`04:33.25`	`kergoth`	`grindway?`
`04:33.40`	`art3mis`	`hrm`
`04:33.43`	`art3mis`	`im bored`
`04:33.46`	`mikma`	`yesalrighty kergoth`
`04:33.52`	`art3mis`	`should i learn c#, ajax or silverlight`
`04:34.00`	`kergoth`	`what's grindway, like _routes?`
`04:34.09`	`mikma`	`yeah except 0 deps`
`04:34.54`	`art3mis`	`how to mine when you're insanely bored?`
`04:35.07`	`Shirik`	`art3mis: not C# please no`
`04:35.19`	`Shirik`	`I saw something from microsoft about silverlight... what is that?`
`04:35.25`	`Shirik`	`It popped up while I was browsing the msdn`
`04:35.27`	`art3mis`	`ms's answer to ajax`
`04:35.29`	`art3mis`	`sorta`
`04:35.34`	`art3mis`	`its actually pretty awesome`
`04:35.43`	`Shirik`	`is it?`
`04:35.52`	`art3mis`	`it's thier first set as a cirtix clone to offer web apps that are truely m,achine independant`
`04:35.57`	`art3mis`	`set==step`
`04:36.01`	`art3mis`	`and cirtix`
`04:36.03`	`art3mis`	`citrix`
`04:36.19`	`art3mis`	`check out some of the stuff thats been done with it`
`04:36.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont like citrix`
`04:36.46`	`art3mis`	`http://www.microsoft.com/Silverlight/Install.aspx`
`04:36.51`	`art3mis`	`or perhaps im confused about it`
`04:37.00`	`art3mis`	`i like thinking of it as ajax`
`04:37.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`isnt citrix the remote app?`
`04:37.19`	`art3mis`	`yeah`
`04:37.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`i didnt think silverlight is like that`
`04:37.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`i thought it was a web app`
`04:37.58`	`art3mis`	`same diff really`
`04:38.21`	`art3mis`	`citrix uses browser based to function for a lot of it`
`04:38.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`well web/browser app, whereas citrix is more vnc esq`
`04:38.42`	`Shirik`	`I never did understand citrix much except that my dad uses it for work ><`
`04:39.03`	`art3mis`	`yeah`
`04:39.14`	`art3mis`	`silverlight is the asp version of ajax`
`04:39.26`	`art3mis`	`asp.net that is`
`04:39.41`	`art3mis`	`citrix is kinna neat`
`04:39.49`	`art3mis`	`its more a global terminal srvices`
`04:40.02`	`art3mis`	`but refined a bit better for better streaming/remote work`
`04:40.31`	`Antiarc`	`Silverlight is the Microsoft answer to Flash, not AJAX`
`04:40.37`	`art3mis`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight`
`04:40.40`	`art3mis`	`oh?`
`04:40.50`	`art3mis`	`hrm i think i should read more`
`04:40.57`	`art3mis`	`so what should i learn`
`04:41.04`	`art3mis`	`ajax, silverlight or c#`
`04:41.11`	`art3mis`	`not that any of them are actually related`
`04:41.21`	`End`	`I think you would be using C# for silverlight?`
`04:41.24`	`Antiarc`	`ajax is more a technique, really, and it's super easy with something like prototype or jquery`
`04:41.31`	`Antiarc`	`C# is useful and you'll use it if you work with Silverlight`
`04:41.35`	`art3mis`	`Silverlight competes with Adobe Flash and with Sun Microsystems' JavaFX,`
`04:42.02`	`art3mis`	`well sideeffect of ajax is a better grasp of php`
`04:42.54`	`Antiarc`	`Ehhh. Not really.`
`04:43.02`	`art3mis`	`more than i have now ;P`
`04:43.17`	`Antiarc`	`Ajax is just the technique of doing a post to a server and updating part of a page with the results`
`04:43.22`	`Antiarc`	`The backend for it doesn't matter`
`04:43.40`	`End`	`indeed`
`04:43.53`	`Antiarc`	`If anything, it'll make you get better with Javascript`
`04:44.12`	`art3mis`	`okay so which would i benefit more from knowing?`
`04:44.23`	`art3mis`	`of those 3`
`04:44.26`	`Antiarc`	`C# would be the most useful`
`04:44.52`	`Shirik`	`it probably would`
`04:44.57`	`Shirik`	`sadly it seems like a lot of the world is going to C#`
`04:45.02`	`Shirik`	`so I'll have to learn it soon too`
`04:45.05`	`Antiarc`	`Eh, it's a good language`
`04:45.09`	`Antiarc`	`I really enjoy working in it`
`04:45.14`	`Shirik`	`It has a GC doesn't it?`
`04:45.18`	`Antiarc`	`Yes`
`04:45.20`	`art3mis`	`you're responsible for omen though`
`04:45.21`	`Shirik`	`then I hate it :P`
`04:45.26`	`Antiarc`	`Hehe`
`04:45.29`	`art3mis`	`and we know that pile of crap is a demon spawn ;P`
`04:45.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think they should make a "Mustang GTFO"`
`04:45.34`	`Shirik`	`but it's ok actually`
`04:45.35`	`Antiarc`	`Of course. :P`
`04:45.45`	`Shirik`	`Anything with a GC I probably won't be using for at least 10 years`
`04:45.55`	`Shirik`	`which means I'll probably be stuck in the C/C++ world for a while. I do need to learn ada though`
`04:46.00`	`Antiarc`	`You do portables work, right?`
`04:46.13`	`Shirik`	`who me?`
`04:46.23`	`Antiarc`	`yeah`
`04:46.26`	`Shirik`	`avionics`
`04:46.26`	`Antiarc`	`embedded systems?`
`04:46.30`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`04:47.12`	`Shirik`	`well avionics is what I'm stressing in, but embedded systems is really what I know. Avionics is a subset of that essentially.`
`04:47.33`	`Shirik`	`But if all goes well I'll get a job at rockwell collins and I'll be happy for the rest of my life :)`
`04:47.33`	`Antiarc`	`Point being, you're not working on systems with 2gb of RAM :P`
`04:47.37`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`04:48.08`	`Shirik`	`though when I think about it, having a GC is kinda pointless`
`04:48.16`	`art3mis`	`lockheed martin ;P`
`04:48.17`	`Shirik`	`at least for avionics, we're not allowed to have any kind of dynamic allocation`
`04:48.21`	`art3mis`	`thats way better ;P`
`04:48.26`	`Shirik`	`I'm also looking at lockheed`
`04:48.28`	`End`	`in the sort of embedded systems I deal with, even having malloc seems silly`
`04:48.33`	`End`	`let alone a GC`
`04:48.40`	`art3mis`	`had a friend who worked there as a coder for about 8 years`
`04:48.41`	`Shirik`	`End: Not allowed to use malloc either :)`
`04:48.52`	`End`	`Technically, I could use malloc`
`04:48.54`	`End`	`but it'd be stupid :P`
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`04:49.42`	`End`	`(well, I could compile it in at least)`
`04:49.44`	`Shirik`	`86 minutes left on BC download`
`04:49.49`	`Shirik`	`End: Oh I could compile it for sure`
`04:49.54`	`Shirik`	`it just would never pass certification`
`04:50.14`	`End`	`it's not like you need it`
`04:50.20`	`Shirik`	`nope :)`
`04:50.39`	`Shirik`	`while it would be nice to have, there is a bit of wasted space when you don't work with malloc and do some things, it's kinda just an "oh well"`
`04:50.51`	`Shirik`	`the benefit, while you waste space, is that you know exactly where everything is going to be in memory`
`04:50.54`	`Shirik`	`and know you won't run out`
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`04:51.06`	`End`	`yeah`
`04:51.13`	`End`	`that's a good reason to not have malloc right there :P`
`04:51.35`	`Shirik`	`one thing I always hated about malloc is checking to see if it returned NULL`
`04:51.36`	`End`	`you don't want to worry about malloc failing to get more memory :P`
`04:51.40`	`Shirik`	`which most people just take the ostrich algorithm on`
`04:51.44`	`End`	`yeah, I think everyone hates it`
`04:51.49`	`End`	`lol`
`04:51.52`	`End`	`there is that`
`04:52.07`	`Shirik`	`in a PC system, I think that's ok`
`04:52.13`	`Shirik`	`in an embedded system, you can't ignore that`
`04:52.27`	`End`	`on a PC, malloc isn't likely to fail at all`
`04:52.36`	`Shirik`	`aye :)`
`04:52.39`	`End`	`on an embedded system, it WILL fail, and you won't want to deal with it :P`
`04:53.01`	`Shirik`	`could just let HAM take care of it :)`
`04:53.09`	`Shirik`	`but that's sloppy`
`04:53.14`	`Shirik`	`and causes downtime`
`04:55.49`	`art3mis`	`ham can do everything`
`04:55.58`	`art3mis`	`and it's tastey`
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`05:03.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh "It's bad enough sitting on our asses watching other people play sports, now we sit on our asses watching other people playing a sport that requires THEM to be on their asses" (in regards to Champopnship Gaming Series)`
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`05:05.53`	`Antiarc`	`Because World Series Championchip Poker hasn't been on ESPN for a few years now`
`05:06.50`	`End`	`What about rowing? :P`
`05:06.57`	`Antiarc`	`Hahah`
`05:07.01`	`Antiarc`	`Cycling!`
`05:07.04`	`End`	`that too!`
`05:07.12`	`Antiarc`	`Lance Armstrong is obviously a lazy scrub`
`05:07.16`	`End`	`obviously`
`05:07.17`	`Antiarc`	`Because he sits on his ass for his sport`
`05:07.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`but they never called poker a sport`
`05:07.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`not professionally anyway`
`05:07.49`	`Antiarc`	`I dunno`
`05:07.54`	`Antiarc`	`It's on ESPN :P`
`05:07.55`	`End`	`I think it's implied at least`
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`05:08.16`	`End`	`I don't particularly care much whether you call it a sport or not though`
`05:11.51`	`End`	`that's interesting, my warlock on test has no spells except the starting level 1 spells`
`05:12.06`	`Shadowed`	`You have to talk to the trainer, they reset them due to SoC bug if I recall`
`05:12.22`	`End`	`and here I thought they just unlearned SoC`
`05:12.41`	`End`	`hey, it's not like I care, I'm coding! :P`
`05:12.53`	`End`	`although, I did have an itch to apply fel armor`
`05:13.11`	`End`	`(which didn't work too well...)`
`05:15.48`	`Shadowed`	`Hrm, is there any difference between using OnClick and OnMouseUp for UIObjects? As far as I can tell the only difference is that OnClick only fires when the mouse is inside the object still`
`05:15.57`	`End`	`oh god, this code is still preallocating it's Textures`
`05:16.20`	`Lukian`	`is there a way to dismiss a buff on your pet?`
`05:17.23`	`Shirik`	`ROFL`
`05:17.38`	`Shirik`	`I am loving these new burger king commercials where they stopped selling whoppers for one day`
`05:17.38`	`Shirik`	`and filmed customers`
`05:17.50`	`Shirik`	`"What are you gonna call yourselves now? Home of the 'whatever we got'?"`
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`05:39.48`	`End`	`ok, I'd be lying if I said I still completely understood my code`
`05:40.05`	`End`	`actually, I'm losing faith that I ever understood it :P`
`05:47.06`	`Shadowed`	`--> print(type(1.0))`
`05:47.07`	`batbot`	`Shadowed: number`
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`06:07.01`	`art3mis`	`shoot em up is such a rad movie`
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`06:07.21`	`art3mis`	`i think its my second favorite nonstop action movie`
`06:07.30`	`Shirik`	`ok, BC keeps installing to the C:`
`06:07.34`	`Shirik`	`how can I change that?`
`06:08.04`	`art3mis`	`in winders?`
`06:08.18`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`06:08.31`	`art3mis`	`move yer wowdir to a different location and start it up once`
`06:08.31`	`Shirik`	`maybe it's not installing to the C drive`
`06:08.35`	`Shirik`	`it just looked like it was`
`06:08.42`	`Shirik`	`I did start it up`
`06:08.46`	`art3mis`	`then install bc`
`06:08.49`	`Shirik`	`hm, ok`
`06:08.55`	`art3mis`	`and itll upgrade whereever it reads it as installed`
`06:09.08`	`Shirik`	`just the "Low disk space" popped up right as I hit install`
`06:09.12`	`Shirik`	`must have been a coincidence`
`06:10.15`	`art3mis`	`i believe it creates a temp extract folder during install though`
`06:11.07`	`Shirik`	`that may be a problem tbh`
`06:11.11`	`Shirik`	`I only have about 200MB free on C:`
`06:11.21`	`Shirik`	`but it's at 32% and seems to be going OK`
`06:11.30`	`Shirik`	`hasn't complained about critical level on C: yet`
`06:17.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`id ont think it will work Shirik`
`06:18.55`	`Shirik`	`it worked :)`
`06:18.57`	`Shirik`	`yey`
`06:19.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`LIES!`
`06:19.04`	`Shirik`	`oh FFS ANOTHER THING TO DOWNLOAD`
`06:19.07`	`Shirik`	`oh, it's the patch I already have`
`06:19.08`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`06:19.16`	`art3mis`	`heh now for 2.3 ;`
`06:19.21`	`Shirik`	`nah I downloaded that already`
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`06:19.30`	`Shirik`	`it's just verifying it right now before it installs`
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`08:07.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol, http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/9505/`
`08:07.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`put it on a cat and you dont even need a caption`
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`09:33.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`~seen wobin`
`09:33.29`	`purl`	`wobin is currently on #gnu-kbsd (2d 2h 24m 2s), last said: 'appears not =('.`
`09:33.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`~seen wobwork`
`09:33.37`	`purl`	`wobwork <n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 8d 5h 18m 55s ago, saying: 'Thunder_Child: for a technically fantastic one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1MEJaye_8&feature=user'.`
`09:33.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`~seen wobbin`
`09:33.55`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'wobbin', Thunder_Child`
`09:37.27`	`Fin`	`does anyone know a decent Config.wtf reference? WoWWiki's one is pretty limited unfortunately.`
`09:38.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`arent most things in there common sense?`
`09:42.00`	`Mike-N-Go`	`i think my FD (hunter) is broken!`
`09:42.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Ever since 2.3.. never been the same.`
`09:49.31`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I almost died in RFC! Oh noes!`
`09:54.38`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Ok, now, I FD, and the mob relices aggro when I jump up..`
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`10:03.43`	`Fin`	`Thunder_Child: yeah, most things, but they're not the ones I'm looking for information about...`
`10:03.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`anything in particular?`
`10:04.37`	`Fin`	`pitchLimit, and if it still exists, or has been renamed`
`10:04.50`	`Fin`	`also UIFaster`
`10:05.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`pitchlimit was edited in game iirc`
`10:05.21`	`Fin`	`UIFaster was added in the 2.0.5 patch, which only has severely limited details`
`10:05.35`	`Fin`	`pitchlimit is edited with a /console command, which just updates Config.wtf`
`10:05.38`	`Fin`	`as far as I know`
`10:06.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`take a snapshot of the config before and after to see what gont changed`
`10:06.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`got*`
`10:06.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`and i have no idea about UIfaster`
`10:06.29`	`Fin`	`well, the first thing I looked at was Config.wtf, but I don't think it includes every setting by default`
`10:06.33`	`Fin`	`I know UIFaster isn't in there`
`10:08.06`	`Fin`	`: Couldn't find CVar named 'pitchLimit'`
`10:08.43`	`Fin`	`there are pitch related settings in Config.wtf, so maybe /console translates in-game settings to config file variables`
`10:09.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`right, thats why i said do a before and after compareison`
`10:10.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`comparison*`
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`10:31.19`	`Fin`	`but, if they're not in before, and they're not in there after, why would a comparison show me if anything got changed?`
`10:31.24`	`Fin`	`oh you mean, for the pitchlimit thing?`
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`12:09.51`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does any1 got a ui package ? since the downloads link on the blizzard tool site is broken and link on http://wdnaddons.com/ gives a corrupt zip file`
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`13:05.25`	`matt1s`	`Is there any reason at level 70 to grind rep with thorium brotherhood?`
`13:05.54`	`\|Pixel\|`	`having fun (tm) ?`
`13:09.28`	`matt1s`	`:-) Looking at what you can craft it's not worth it`
`13:10.07`	`\|Pixel\|`	`it was, before`
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`13:35.33`	`Fin`	`hey, Flarecore Leggings are still good for a while if you can get the materials, and the Alchemy transmute for Heart of Fire -> Elemental Fire can come in handy`
`13:37.43`	`Lukian`	`Are the hounds in ramparts linked to the beastmaster? ie. does nuking him cause them not to spawn?`
`13:43.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`no they dond despawn by nuking him`
`13:43.32`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`however if u do nuke him u might kill before spawns them`
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`14:35.01`	`zenzelezz`	`I hate games whose windowed mode runs with a border and caption and does not resize the actual playfield size so the window doesn't go outside the screen`
`14:35.19`	`Fox`	`lederr�stung`
`14:35.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`definitly, fox`
`14:35.44`	`Fox`	`yeah well`
`14:36.12`	`Fox`	`I think I should watch my cursor more carefully ;)`
`14:36.38`	`mikma`	`anyone good with bash scripting? i got a huge bunch of files that i need renaming.. like "this is a file 01.zip" to "this_is_a_file_01.zip"`
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`15:13.05`	`matt1s`	`Is there an addon that will yell/scream/explode if a vein is discovered on the minimap?`
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`15:15.21`	`cladhaire`	`anyone use the same WoW install for US and EU? If so, what client do you use, and what do you alter to switch between the two?`
`15:16.20`	`\|Pixel\|`	`the client isn't the same between US and EU, and it shouldn't work; at least, in the client handshake, there is some region-specific tag which are beeing sent`
`15:16.32`	`\|Pixel\|`	`so if segregation is on, you won't be able to switch clients across regions`
`15:16.38`	`cladhaire`	`thats not true`
`15:16.46`	`cladhaire`	`i have used the us client in eu`
`15:16.47`	`cladhaire`	`so`
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`15:17.10`	`\|Pixel\|`	`what in my previous sentence is any wrong statement ? :)`
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`15:17.49`	`\|Pixel\|`	`anyway, one simply would need to change the realmlist.wtf`
`15:18.06`	`cladhaire`	`then why say everything else above?`
`15:18.09`	`\|Pixel\|`	`and maybe the same mirrored values in the config.wtf`
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`15:18.24`	`\|Pixel\|`	`I said shouldn't IF segregation is on`
`15:18.47`	`cladhaire`	`O.o, okay fine.`
`15:18.49`	`cladhaire`	`thanks`
`15:18.49`	`zenzelezz`	`<cladhaire> anyone use the same WoW install for US and EU? If so, what client do you use, and what do you alter to switch between the two? <--- about a month ago at least I could change eu.... to us... in the realmlist to play with enGB on enUS servers`
`15:19.13`	`cladhaire`	`thanks, works fine`
`15:19.18`	`cladhaire`	`starting a druid in eu on a trial`
`15:19.19`	`cladhaire`	`for ufn`
`15:19.24`	`cladhaire`	`PVP or PVE`
`15:19.38`	`\|Pixel\|`	`just be aware that there might be segregation turned on in the near future :)`
`15:19.49`	`cladhaire`	`i somehow doubt that`
`15:19.59`	`\|Pixel\|`	`why that ?`
`15:20.38`	`cladhaire`	`what would they gain by doing that?`
`15:20.47`	`cladhaire`	`other than alienating a large amount of the customer base`
`15:20.52`	`Adys`	`they did it for two years`
`15:20.56`	`\|Pixel\|`	`russian players will be introduced pretty soon`
`15:20.58`	`Adys`	`im surprised its been turned off`
`15:21.10`	`\|Pixel\|`	`with a different billing scheme`
`15:21.18`	`\|Pixel\|`	`trust me: segregation WILL be turned on again`
`15:21.28`	`zenzelezz`	`again, why?`
`15:21.28`	`cladhaire`	`Why?`
`15:21.36`	`zenzelezz`	`as long as you have an account for the specific region, why would they care?`
`15:21.37`	`cladhaire`	`until they allow me to transfer my account from us to eu`
`15:21.40`	`cladhaire`	`they have no reason to do that`
`15:21.47`	`cladhaire`	`unless the local laws require it`
`15:21.51`	`cladhaire`	`in which case, it wouldn't be universal`
`15:21.55`	`\|Pixel\|`	`that's the point :)`
`15:22.06`	`cladhaire`	`_whats_ the point`
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`15:22.10`	`\|Pixel\|`	`the russian coming into the play will trouble the whole thing`
`15:22.21`	`zenzelezz`	`then explain to us why that is`
`15:22.30`	`cladhaire`	`thats purely conjecture and you're presenting it as fact`
`15:22.32`	`cladhaire`	`that bothers me.`
`15:22.35`	`\|Pixel\|`	`err`
`15:22.46`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Adys: help ? :)`
`15:22.50`	`Adys`	`lol`
`15:22.53`	`Adys`	`poor pixel`
`15:23.01`	`\|Pixel\|`	`steupl�`
`15:23.34`	`Adys`	`clqd`
`15:23.37`	`Adys`	`clad even`
`15:23.56`	`Adys`	`its been turned on for almost three years, and to log on the US you needed an US client`
`15:24.24`	`Adys`	`if for any reason blizz decides to turn it back on it wouldnt surprise anyone nor change much into habbits`
`15:24.46`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Adys: disons surtout que j'aimerais lui expliquer que 'si' je le sais, c'est pas pour rien ^^`
`15:25.01`	`Adys`	`Bah je lui dis quoi moi.`
`15:25.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`wargh, french :P`
`15:25.15`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: about a month ago at least I could change eu.... to us... in the realmlist to play with enGB on enUS servers`
`15:25.18`	`Fisker-`	`it hasn't been turned on for almost three years if we're talking the us client on the eu servers`
`15:25.19`	`\|Pixel\|`	`j'sais pas, je lui dis directement ?`
`15:25.28`	`Adys`	`Faudra bien`
`15:25.28`	`cladhaire`	`Yeah, you're assuming quite a lot, and again speaking fact`
`15:25.38`	`\|Pixel\|`	`soupir`
`15:25.40`	`cladhaire`	`it may be turned on one way or another.. but its not a magical flag that they turn on to be region nazis.`
`15:25.43`	`Fisker-`	`The european betas used the american client`
`15:25.51`	`Fisker-`	`and people used that for some time ahead`
`15:25.56`	`zenzelezz`	`could be it's only the poor French that can't play on US realms`
`15:25.58`	`Fisker-`	`i remember around TBC that people began having trouble`
`15:26.16`	`\|Pixel\|`	`I'm a blizzard employee; and I know for /fact/ that it's gonna be re-enabled with the upcoming russian release`
`15:26.19`	`Fisker-`	`where they said that they no longer supported US clients logging on to EU servers and that they should switch when able`
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`15:27.00`	`\|Pixel\|`	`just because the billing scheme will be completely different for them; so they won't have the opportunity to play on the same realms, and vice versa`
`15:27.24`	`Fisker-`	`Yeah it's going to be cheaper i guess`
`15:27.35`	`Adys`	`can you log on us realms with an EU acct too?`
`15:27.36`	`Fisker-`	`you have to do it to get more customers`
`15:27.41`	`Adys`	`Im curious now`
`15:27.42`	`cladhaire`	`Adys: no, ACCOUNTS are different`
`15:27.42`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Adys: nope`
`15:27.44`	`cladhaire`	`clients are not.`
`15:27.44`	`Fisker-`	`no Adys`
`15:27.46`	`Adys`	`er`
`15:27.47`	`cladhaire`	`right now.`
`15:27.48`	`Adys`	`client sorry`
`15:27.50`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: let me repeat, YES, I have done it!`
`15:27.50`	`Fisker-`	`clients are different too`
`15:27.51`	`Adys`	`not acct`
`15:28.04`	`Fisker-`	`but at some point in time clients were able to login to whatever region`
`15:28.08`	`cladhaire`	`\|Pixel\|: Thats all well and good.. but segregation has been OFF for almost all of this time, and you guys keep talking like it was JUST disabled.`
`15:28.10`	`Adys`	`so it works both ways`
`15:28.28`	`Adys`	`Fisker-: scroll up man :P`
`15:28.47`	`zenzelezz`	`how many times do I have to say it for someone to decide not to ignore it`
`15:28.47`	`\|Pixel\|`	`cladhaire: indeed :)`
`15:28.53`	`cladhaire`	`Adys: that's what we're been saying`
`15:28.56`	`cladhaire`	`Adys:`
`15:28.59`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: say what?`
`15:29.00`	`Fisker-`	`I know for a fact that US clients have been able to run on EU servers for a lot of time`
`15:29.14`	`Fisker-`	`It wasn't until some region specific client that i reinstalled to the EU client`
`15:29.20`	`Fisker-`	`region specific patch*`
`15:29.26`	`Fisker-`	`they provided a US exe for that one as well btw`
`15:29.58`	`\|Pixel\|`	`the client sends the region it's beeing tuned for; there's a flag on the server to limit, accept or reject "foreign" clients`
`15:30.09`	`Fisker-`	`probably`
`15:30.09`	`Adys`	`so you should be able to log in the us with a frFR deDE or esES client too?`
`15:30.10`	`\|Pixel\|`	`and this flag is going to be changed Pretty Soon (tm)`
`15:30.15`	`\|Pixel\|`	`that's it, period.`
`15:30.18`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`15:30.25`	`Fisker-`	`That wasn't what was being contested anyways`
`15:30.36`	`Adys`	`\|Pixel\|: tu vois ca passe mieux comme ca :P`
`15:30.36`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't have any of those, but enGB worked fine on enUS very recently`
`15:30.38`	`Fisker-`	`Adys i don't know, but enGB != enUS`
`15:30.44`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Adys: wai =)`
`15:30.53`	`Fisker-`	`stop speaking french omg`
`15:31.01`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Fisker-: ribbit ribbit ribbit!`
`15:31.31`	`cladhaire`	`i'll be pissed if i need to download and install another 8 Gig client because Blizzard won't let me use or transfer my account to another region.`
`15:31.33`	`cladhaire`	`Its absurd =/`
`15:31.42`	`\|Pixel\|`	`I perfectly agree with you`
`15:31.48`	`\|Pixel\|`	`but be assured you don't need to`
`15:32.00`	`\|Pixel\|`	`only a few files are really changing between US and EU`
`15:32.01`	`Fisker-`	`I think it would make most sense if they only checked for the russian region client`
`15:32.12`	`\|Pixel\|`	`these are in the data/enGB folder, and the main wow.exe file`
`15:32.22`	`\|Pixel\|`	`all the main mpq files in the data folder are 100% the same`
`15:32.51`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Fisker-: agreed as well; but I am not at the head of these businessmen people who decide funky stuff :P`
`15:32.58`	`zenzelezz`	`the only difference I could see when logging on to US login servers with my GB client was that it identified the Oceanic realms as "Spanish"`
`15:32.58`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`15:33.10`	`Fisker-`	`zenzelezz that is just because of stupid coding :P`
`15:33.20`	`cladhaire`	`\|Pixel\|: yes.. but the "few files changing" doesn't help me, unless i hack things together using symlinks to avoid having two clients`
`15:33.29`	`Fisker-`	`they probably index them by numbers and the numbers are bound to some ingame value`
`15:33.41`	`\|Pixel\|`	`cladhaire: there's a very easy way actually`
`15:33.49`	`cladhaire`	`\|Pixel\|: I'd be open to suggestion`
`15:34.00`	`\|Pixel\|`	`1) you only need the enUS folder in the data, which is completely compatible with all the other files`
`15:34.14`	`\|Pixel\|`	`2) you rename wow.exe to wow-eu.exe and wow-us.exe, respectively, for example`
`15:34.30`	`\|Pixel\|`	`you'll be bothered during patches, though :)`
`15:34.43`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`15:34.44`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`15:34.46`	`cladhaire`	`its just shitty`
`15:34.48`	`Fisker-`	`you'd have to have 2 installs for each patch`
`15:34.52`	`Fisker-`	`and then remerge`
`15:34.56`	`cladhaire`	`WowTest works fine`
`15:35.01`	`cladhaire`	`why can't they use that for this shiznat`
`15:35.16`	`\|Pixel\|`	`wowtest is "enUS", basically`
`15:35.21`	`cladhaire`	`I spent way too much time on my US account to abandon it because I now live in Europe =/`
`15:35.25`	`cladhaire`	`I know.. but they can be patched independently`
`15:35.31`	`\|Pixel\|`	`right`
`15:35.37`	`\|Pixel\|`	`and it used to work like that, previously`
`15:35.44`	`\|Pixel\|`	`with the different languages folders`
`15:35.59`	`cladhaire`	`I gotta jump in the shower, I'll be back in a bit.`
`15:36.32`	`Fisker-`	`they should've kept it that way`
`15:36.33`	`\|Pixel\|`	`anyway`
`15:36.39`	`Fisker-`	`that would make more sense in the end`
`15:36.46`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Fisker-: no, the 'merge' was a quite good idea, to begin with`
`15:36.49`	`cladhaire`	`nvm both showers are full`
`15:36.50`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`15:37.00`	`\|Pixel\|`	`they should have went the whole way through, though`
`15:37.02`	`Fisker-`	`Like you could have all languages, and the only thing that would be different would be a wow.exe for each region and language data`
`15:37.09`	`\|Pixel\|`	`and make a fully international client`
`15:37.40`	`cladhaire`	`how are trial accounts restricted?`
`15:37.46`	`\|Pixel\|`	`level 20 cap`
`15:37.52`	`Fisker-`	`can't yell`
`15:37.54`	`\|Pixel\|`	`no whisp to unknown people`
`15:37.59`	`[dRaCo]`	`no outgoing party invites`
`15:38.01`	`\|Pixel\|`	`no more than 20g or so`
`15:38.04`	`Fisker-`	`can only invite lowlevel people`
`15:38.10`	`\|Pixel\|`	`no mail`
`15:38.12`	`\|Pixel\|`	`no ah`
`15:38.13`	`cladhaire`	`cool`
`15:38.14`	`Fisker-`	`[dRaCo] i believe they can invite lowlevels as well`
`15:38.33`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker-: thought there was a patch a bit ago that changed it so they can't invite at all?`
`15:38.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`afaik they patched that with 2.3`
`15:38.41`	`Fisker-`	`well`
`15:38.45`	`[dRaCo]`	`or 2.2.3`
`15:38.51`	`Fisker-`	`Atleast the "omg wowhax"-here guys only invite lowlevel players`
`15:38.54`	`Fisker-`	`and they stopped around level 20`
`15:39.14`	`Fisker-`	`and they don't use whispers or the general/trade chats`
`15:39.26`	`\|Pixel\|`	`anyway, going to do some shopping`
`15:39.26`	`\|Pixel\|`	`bbl`
`15:39.35`	`Fisker-`	`french people can't shop :(`
`15:40.09`	`cladhaire`	`eu account management page down`
`15:40.10`	`cladhaire`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:40.23`	`\|Pixel\|`	`sigh`
`15:40.36`	`\|Pixel\|`	`indeed`
`15:40.43`	`\|Pixel\|`	`ah, no`
`15:40.45`	`\|Pixel\|`	`just very slow`
`15:40.57`	`cladhaire`	`i get service not avail`
`15:41.02`	`\|Pixel\|`	`okay`
`15:41.04`	`Adys`	`Faut que t'arretes d'etre distrait par IRC et aue tu continues a pedaler.`
`15:41.12`	`\|Pixel\|`	`I'll restart it in a bit before going`
`15:41.17`	`cladhaire`	`<3`
`15:41.20`	`\|Pixel\|`	`just retry in 10 minutes`
`15:41.24`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Adys: prout`
`15:42.36`	`Adys`	`[16:41:47] #mmo-champion: <willybob> Anyone know WHERE in eversong u can find the pink elephants?`
`15:45.39`	`\|Pixel\|`	`cladhaire: retry now ?`
`15:45.57`	`cladhaire`	`great thanks.`
`15:47.36`	`Fisker-`	`I can't help but feel the asian sites are superior than ours in terms of technology`
`15:47.40`	`Fisker-`	`of course they all look like shit`
`15:47.49`	`Fisker-`	`and abuse flash in the worst way possible`
`15:47.55`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion dragontank`
`15:47.57`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Dragontank, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (41/20/0). 6977 HP; 9183 Mana; 183 mana regen; 95 mp5; 11998 Armour; 72.500 Melee DPS; 3.81% melee crit; 76 spell crit; 32 spell hit; 486 +spell dmg; 1088 +heal; 3.97% dodge; 5.16% block; 61 resilience;[[ TBR: 1246 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26vcwa ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2s5m3y ][ Updated: Sat Dec 29 10:52:19 2007 EST ]]`
`15:51.43`	`wereHamster`	`!c eu Arthas Elvalia`
`15:51.45`	`ThraeBot`	`wereHamster: Elvalia, Level 63 Night Elf Rogue (44/3/7). 5047 HP; +10 Energy; 897 AP; 171.000 Melee DPS; 19.22% melee crit; 61 melee hit; 20.29% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1610 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq4fwf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2le64e ][ Updated: Sat Dec 29 10:56:07 2007 EST ]]`
`15:52.08`	`wereHamster`	`!vs us burning legion dragontank eu Arthas Elvalia`
`15:52.09`	`ThraeBot`	`wereHamster: Dragontank vs Elvalia! Dragontank has +7 lvls on Elvalia (70 vs 63); A L70 paladin and a L63 rogue square off!; 41/20/0 vs 44/3/7; Dragontank wins by 418 TBRs! *OWNED!*`
`15:52.32`	`wereHamster`	`!vs us burning legion dragontank eu Arthas Tuck`
`15:52.35`	`ThraeBot`	`wereHamster: Dragontank vs Tuck! A L70 paladin and a L70 priest square off!; 41/20/0 vs 42/19/0; Dragontank wins by 652 TBRs! *OWNED!*`
`15:52.37`	`Fisker-`	`!vs us burning legion draontank eu ravencrest Fiskerdin`
`15:52.37`	`ThraeBot`	`Fisker-: I failed on the first listed character. You fail.`
`15:52.48`	`Fisker-`	`!vs us burning legion dragontank eu ravencrest Fiskerdin`
`15:52.50`	`ThraeBot`	`Fisker-: Dragontank vs Fiskerdin! Two 70 paladins square off!; 41/20/0 vs 50/11/0; Fiskerdin wins by 171 TBRs!`
`15:52.54`	`Fisker-`	`yay`
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`15:53.32`	`Fisker-`	`41/20 are for n00bs`
`15:53.32`	`Fisker-`	`>D`
`15:53.34`	`Fisker-`	`:FD`
`15:53.36`	`Fisker-`	`:<`
`15:54.11`	`wereHamster`	`~tbr`
`15:54.12`	`purl`	`rumour has it, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released")`
`15:54.49`	`Fisker-`	`lulz`
`15:54.54`	`Fisker-`	`i barely have pvp gear`
`15:54.58`	`Fisker-`	`i have like 121 resilience`
`15:57.55`	`Fisker-`	`lulz @ Tour Guide`
`15:57.57`	`Fisker-`	`very clever`
`15:58.00`	`Fisker-`	`"Option house"`
`15:58.30`	`Lukian`	`is there an addon to turn the grimoire seller into a list of trainable skills / hide ones my pets already have?`
`16:09.48`	`Industrial`	`check the warlock sub addons dir at wowi`
`16:11.09`	`Industrial`	`why the f does ressing someone in gadget flag you as pvp?`
`16:12.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`ressing somebody thats flaged will flag you`
`16:13.44`	`Industrial`	`but hes dead`
`16:13.51`	`Industrial`	`wel guess it makes sense`
`16:14.08`	`Industrial`	`try to help and get killed for it >_.`
`16:14.29`	`wereHamster`	`lesson learned: don't help other people`
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`16:34.22`	`Lukian`	`Industrial, where? I don't use the wowi site`
`16:35.14`	`Industrial`	`Lukian: on the internets where else`
`16:35.55`	`Industrial`	`you only know how to press the "update all mae ACE addunz!" button?`
`16:37.39`	`Lukian`	`Industrial, yes :D`
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`16:46.03`	`Lukian`	`beats me.. the navigation is dreadful`
`16:47.08`	`Cide`	`indeed it is`
`16:47.09`	`Industrial`	`...`
`16:47.12`	`Cide`	`the menu has this "Download" link`
`16:47.21`	`Cide`	`and the "Search" link has a box for searching the downloads`
`16:47.24`	`Industrial`	`http://wowinterface.com`
`16:47.26`	`Industrial`	`download`
`16:47.29`	`Industrial`	`class specifc`
`16:47.31`	`Industrial`	`warlock`
`16:47.35`	`Lukian`	`Industrial, cheers`
`16:47.40`	`Lukian`	`(It's almost 4am)`
`16:47.57`	`Lukian`	`why does class specific have a 2 next to it?`
`16:49.27`	`Cide`	`because somehow two addons are flagged as 'Class Specific' with no subcategory specified`
`16:50.53`	`Lukian`	`silly :o`
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`17:32.44`	`JosDr88`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/79744 , why does the dcfs background turn blank`
`17:32.47`	`JosDr88`	`?`
`17:35.40`	`wereHamster`	`there already are existing addos that print which event generated the lines...`
`17:36.16`	`JosDr88`	`that was my guess to, then how would i attach more functions to those listeners?`
`17:36.47`	`wereHamster`	`modify the code.. IIRC iriels devtools did that`
`17:37.56`	`wereHamster`	`why do you register ADDON_LOADED on the DCF?`
`17:38.42`	`wereHamster`	`maybe that causes the DCF code to set the background to black`
`17:39.43`	`Industrial`	`whats a dcf`
`17:40.06`	`wereHamster`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME`
`17:40.14`	`JosDr88`	`i just hate typing that all the time ^^`
`17:40.23`	`Industrial`	`isnt that just always chatframe1?`
`17:44.22`	`Cide`	`DevTools does it better, I think`
`17:44.47`	`Cide`	`it catches messages from events that weren't registered on the chatframe, iirc`
`17:45.18`	`Cide`	`but it seems like your mod has another purpose, so /shrug`
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`17:51.28`	`JosDr88`	`im just exploring the wow api, never used lua before, its quite fun so far :-)`
`17:52.21`	`JosDr88`	`my is to use a few potions or a buff whenever im in combat, so i went looking under the hood`
`17:52.30`	`JosDr88`	`my goal is*`
`17:53.20`	`Cide`	`you can't automatically use potions or buff yourself`
`17:55.21`	`JosDr88`	`i cant execute / commands right :P ?`
`17:55.56`	`wereHamster`	`only on hardware events (keypress etc)`
`17:56.14`	`malreth`	`no... you just can't call restricted functions`
`17:56.16`	`malreth`	`period`
`17:57.34`	`Fin`	`hey, does anybody know anything about the cvar "UIFaster"?`
`17:58.10`	`wereHamster`	`wowwiki does, or is that outdated?`
`17:58.12`	`haste`	`there's a bluepost about it`
`17:58.18`	`End`	`Fin: it might be the one that changes the amount of 2d acceleration is done with the ui`
`18:00.03`	`Fin`	`[18:59:31] <]Don> UIFaster changes the way our UI drawing engine gets all the icons, buttons, panels, and other UI elements drawn on screen. It also re-orders and combines drawing tasks to make them occur faster on the GPU. This is a cross platform setting. The useful settings are 0,1,2,3 - 3 is default`
`18:00.08`	`Fin`	`(FYI)`
`18:02.18`	`End`	`ah`
`18:02.26`	`End`	`interesting`
`18:02.28`	`malreth`	`hmm... sounds like a scene graph for UI texture rendering`
`18:02.32`	`End`	`yea`
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`18:07.37`	`Fin`	`oooh, Toolboxes can hold all motes and primals`
`18:07.38`	`Fin`	`didn't know that`
`18:07.54`	`Fin`	`is there a list anywhere that says what items fit in which types of container?`
`18:09.07`	`malreth`	`there were some patch notes that explained that the profession bags were going to hold more stuff`
`18:09.19`	`malreth`	`can't remember if it was 2.3 or something earlier...`
`18:09.24`	`malreth`	`i need some coffee`
`18:09.32`	`Fin`	`I was just wondering if there was a reference for all types of containers together somewhere, that someone knew of`
`18:09.55`	`malreth`	`probably not... i'd check the wiki`
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`18:15.04`	`End`	`Dunno, but in 2.4 we can easily query that info`
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`18:22.01`	`malreth`	`my fiancee told me to order invitations today...`
`18:22.11`	`Fin`	`woo~!`
`18:22.13`	`Fin`	`nice one`
`18:22.33`	`malreth`	`only problem is we haven't decided what to do about the RSVP card (wording... format... etc...)`
`18:22.49`	`Fin`	`what is there to decide?`
`18:22.52`	`malreth`	`we haven't decided to include map information as a note card`
`18:23.11`	`malreth`	`Fin: oh my gosh... apparently there's a lot`
`18:23.16`	`malreth`	`the actual wording itself`
`18:23.40`	`zenzelezz`	`there's not much to decide`
`18:23.44`	`malreth`	`a complication we have is the reception is in a small venue`
`18:23.50`	`zenzelezz`	`problem is, if you get it wrong you'll hear it for the duration of your marriage`
`18:24.04`	`Fin`	`use pictures rather than words`
`18:24.06`	`malreth`	`so we can't have the part where it says "____ number of guests attending"`
`18:24.17`	`Fin`	`or send out little videos where you communicate through the magic - of dance!`
`18:24.24`	`malreth`	`also, since most of the invitations are being sent overseas`
`18:24.31`	`malreth`	`we were going to have an online rsvp`
`18:24.39`	`zenzelezz`	`malreth: "You have won the right to attend..."`
`18:24.41`	`Fin`	`I had to write one for my mate as well`
`18:24.54`	`malreth`	`but to do that, he'd have to print the web site on the rsvp card`
`18:25.03`	`Fin`	`hey, this could be an opportunity to cut down on costs for the wedding, stick some banner ads on the site`
`18:25.05`	`malreth`	`and to do that, we need an rsvp site first`
`18:25.11`	`malreth`	`Fin: oh i know!`
`18:25.50`	`Fin`	`perhaps offer a banner-free version to people who donate`
`18:25.57`	`Cide`	`"To attend, first click these 14 links, and then proceed with filling in your contact information and clicking on 'I will attend.'"`
`18:26.00`	`Fin`	`just to show you care about your users`
`18:26.14`	`malreth`	`actually, we will be setting up a donation thing for the video`
`18:26.26`	`Fin`	`yeah! and then end with a 401 Authorization Denied page just for a laugh`
`18:26.30`	`Fin`	`like they do on other sites`
`18:26.44`	`malreth`	`donors get added to the wedding video credits`
`18:26.57`	`Fin`	`what I find weird`
`18:27.00`	`zenzelezz`	`I assume by "the video" you mean a leaked wedding night video`
`18:27.01`	`Fin`	`is the wedding present lists`
`18:27.18`	`malreth`	`zenzelezz: nothing that exciting`
`18:27.25`	`Fin`	`I had to make one of those, too, where people who were coming could flag things out of the list of items requested by the couple`
`18:27.36`	`Fin`	`it was a bit... tacky, I thought, but everyone tells me it's the norm these days`
`18:28.09`	`malreth`	`we managed to book this guy... http://www.rewrites.org/Welcome.html`
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`18:28.36`	`malreth`	`Fin: a wedding registry? yeah, that's normal.`
`18:28.49`	`malreth`	`it's how you keep from getting 3.2 fondue pots per wedding`
`18:30.49`	`Fin`	`I understand why it's done :) but I still don't particularly like it`
`18:31.41`	`malreth`	`~seen Lunessa`
`18:31.42`	`purl`	`lunessa <n=chatzill@c-98-199-179-236.hsd1.tx.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 2h 47m 13s ago, saying: 'Ok, I'm running late /sort of/ so I'm going to get going. Ciao tutti. '.`
`18:32.02`	`malreth`	`So... Lunessa has lunch with me 2 days ago and isn't seen or heard from since...`
`18:32.06`	`malreth`	`hmm...`
`18:32.18`	`malreth`	`Maybe... I truly did scare him away...`
`18:32.53`	`Cide`	`probably`
`18:35.47`	`Cide`	`unrelated: is there a word for the act of resolving?`
`18:37.33`	`malreth`	`mediating?`
`18:38.07`	`malreth`	`assuming you aren't talking about DNS... :p`
`18:38.36`	`Cide`	`no :P`
`18:38.46`	`malreth`	`concluding`
`18:38.48`	`malreth`	`deciding`
`18:38.53`	`malreth`	`explaining`
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`18:39.07`	`malreth`	`my favorite... Rectifying`
`18:39.22`	`Cide`	`I'm thinking more of a noun, not adj`
`18:39.34`	`Fin`	`hahah`
`18:39.42`	`Cide`	`meh, screw it`
`18:39.51`	`Fin`	`G`
`18:39.52`	`Fin`	`oops`
`18:39.55`	`Fin`	`-that`
`18:40.24`	`malreth`	`resolution`
`18:40.32`	`Fin`	`GlobalStrings.lua:ERR_APPROACHING_NO_PLAY_TIME_2 = "You are in tired time, and your benefits have been reduced to 50% of normal. For the sake of your own health, please go offline and rest, do some exercise, and arrange your time properly."; -- Second 3.5, 4, 4.5 message`
`18:40.33`	`malreth`	`that's a noun`
`18:40.37`	`Cide`	`ah, thanks`
`18:40.58`	`Cide`	`Fin: for the chinese`
`18:41.08`	`Cide`	`wow in china, that is`
`18:41.10`	`Fin`	`really? huh`
`18:41.20`	`malreth`	`Fin: added back when some government forced a restriction on the number of hours a game company can let it's users play`
`18:41.39`	`malreth`	`as cide mentioned... The Chinese gov`
`18:41.53`	`Fin`	`yeah, I read about that`
`18:41.55`	`Fin`	`mad`
`18:42.22`	`Cide`	`well, it's technically pretty sound.. but quite controversial by our standards`
`18:42.28`	`Cide`	`I'd hate it myself, that's for sure`
`18:42.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah that chinese guild that killed illidan was in like full tier3 because they dont get any loot if theyve been logged in for more than a few hours`
`18:42.45`	`Fin`	`I'm looking for somewhere in the interface files that deals with item types and whether they fit in containers or not - can anyone give me any hints as to where I might find this?`
`18:42.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`you wont`
`18:43.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`not until 2.4`
`18:43.03`	`Fin`	`oh, OK`
`18:43.04`	`zenzelezz`	`probably server-side`
`18:43.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`might be dataminable from client files`
`18:43.21`	`malreth`	`well... it might be client side... but not exposed to the ui`
`18:43.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`but its not in the interface`
`18:43.43`	`Fin`	`can't say I understand why not, but hey`
`18:44.10`	`Cide`	`it's probably in the WDB and DBC files, yeah`
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`18:52.31`	`malreth`	`this irc mod guy is tenacious`
`18:52.38`	`Cide`	`it's pro`
`18:52.48`	`Cide`	`I love people like that`
`18:52.53`	`Cide`	`actually I don't.. I hate them`
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`19:02.25`	`Rayne`	`:\|`
`19:02.38`	`Polarina`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3709651718&sid=1 -> Who do people say it isn't possible? It can be done and it's not that difficult. People have done it before.`
`19:03.07`	`Rayne`	`Polarina: Because running WoW in windowed mode is impossible too, right? :/`
`19:03.46`	`Polarina`	`Rayne: No, I'm talking about a addon that communicates with applications outside of the game.`
`19:04.16`	`malreth`	`i'll concede that it is possible... but not feasible`
`19:04.27`	`malreth`	`if that makes you happy`
`19:04.29`	`Rayne`	`It is possible, but to a very limited extent.`
`19:04.48`	`Polarina`	`Rayne: Not really.`
`19:05.18`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[13:03]<malreth>i'll concede that it is possible... /but not feasible/`
`19:05.36`	`Polarina`	`:)`
`19:05.44`	`Rayne`	`\|Jelly\|: Throatpunch plz`
`19:06.04`	`zenzelezz`	`how would you communicate with stuff outside WoW then; I'm guessing it's some manner other than saved variables?`
`19:06.06`	`Rayne`	`gd I wish I had a 70 healer...`
`19:06.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`me too`
`19:06.31`	`kd3`	`that's the only way to do it, but across UI reolads`
`19:06.38`	`Polarina`	`Blizzard added the functionality to do that intentionaly, they just didn't see the side effects. :\|`
`19:06.48`	`Polarina`	`And NOT across UI reloads!`
`19:06.49`	`Rayne`	`My highest healing class is only 32. I win.`
`19:07.47`	`Rayne`	`I should level my Druid.`
`19:07.50`	`Rayne`	`Such a fun class...`
`19:09.24`	`Polarina`	`Well, you can get data into WoW easiliy but getting data out just reduces your FPS a little, not much but something.`
`19:10.58`	`zenzelezz`	`the question is, does the mechanism for getting data out violate the ToS?`
`19:11.05`	`Polarina`	`No.`
`19:11.22`	`zenzelezz`	`that's interesting`
`19:11.26`	`Polarina`	`Taking screenshots is not against the ToS. Same for getting data in.`
`19:11.38`	`Polarina`	`Checking the system time using time() is not against the ToS.`
`19:11.45`	`zenzelezz`	`hah, screenshots? That's creative, but yeah, then you're right`
`19:12.03`	`Fin`	`[19:53:38] <malreth> this irc mod guy is tenacious`
`19:12.05`	`Fin`	`which guy?`
`19:12.19`	`zenzelezz`	`I spoke of getting data out Polarina, not in. You can't set the time IIRC from in-game`
`19:12.21`	`Polarina`	`zenzelezz: But there is one problem.`
`19:12.54`	`Polarina`	`zenzelezz: You aren't allowed to have a application running in the background that handles the data, thus seting the system clock.`
`19:13.17`	`zenzelezz`	`stop talking about the clock, I'm not interested in getting data in, I'm aware of how that works`
`19:13.24`	`Polarina`	`:)`
`19:13.38`	`Polarina`	`Going to eat my fish soup. :P`
`19:15.08`	`malreth`	`oh yeah... screenshots to get data out`
`19:15.41`	`malreth`	`you just have an addon display some sort of machine readable representation of the data in a frame in a set location on the screen`
`19:15.57`	`malreth`	`external app sees the new screenshot, reads the data, and goes on`
`19:16.06`	`malreth`	`optionally deleting screenshots to save disk space`
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`19:24.01`	`mikma`	`here, http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Herbs/ and http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Veins/`
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`19:30.33`	`Shirik`	`ok so whomever was here when I was talking about creating a new partition for space for WoW`
`19:30.46`	`Shirik`	`you were supposed to remind me that the partition I deleted was my boot partition!`
`19:30.59`	`Shirik`	`I just had to install an embedded system OS to get back into windows >.>`
`19:31.00`	`mikma`	`uch`
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`19:32.04`	`Shirik`	`but, me with my cunning, I was able to get back in with nothing but a single, already-used CD at my disposal`
`19:32.05`	`Shirik`	`ahaha`
`19:35.28`	`malreth`	`i too will point at Shirik and laugh`
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`19:41.36`	`Cide`	`mikma: I like how your mining maps have paths going through unexplored territory :P`
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`19:45.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf...`
`19:45.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Herbs/ShadowmoonValley.jpg`
`19:45.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Veins/ShadowmoonValley.jpg`
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`19:47.25`	`Shirik`	`huh`
`19:47.30`	`Shirik`	`that's an interesting addon`
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`19:49.15`	`Elkano`	`isn't that similar to Cartographer_Routes?`
`19:50.41`	`Cide`	`pretty sure that's the point, but yes`
`19:53.35`	`\|pez\|`	`this should be changed, last time I heard, there arent any veins near the dark portal anymore. http://wow.reaktio.net/GrindWay_Veins/HellfirePeninsula.jpg`
`20:05.39`	`Fin`	`cartographer_routes?`
`20:06.38`	`Fin`	`oh it's ANOTHER addon`
`20:07.55`	`Fin`	`oh, no it's not`
`20:08.17`	`Fin`	`it's just an graphically enhanced version of a route created by C_R`
`20:08.24`	`Fin`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/originalline.jpg`
`20:10.19`	`mikma`	`yeah`
`20:10.25`	`mikma`	`original addon is Cartographer_Routes`
`20:10.43`	`mikma`	`i just took out quite alot of spots and made the paths into my own addons`
`20:11.17`	`Shirik`	`wait hang on`
`20:11.25`	`Shirik`	`cart routes has predefined paths?`
`20:11.29`	`mikma`	`nope`
`20:11.34`	`mikma`	`you can calculate your own with it`
`20:11.37`	`Shirik`	`it calculates them, right?`
`20:11.37`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`20:11.55`	`mikma`	`just pick what do you want to see and let it work for some time`
`20:12.05`	`mikma`	`see = connect`
`20:12.27`	`Cide`	`the calculation is what takes time, not the drawing :P`
`20:12.34`	`mikma`	`aye.`
`20:13.03`	`mikma`	`and after the calculations i added some code in that checks if X and Y values are too near to each other and removed the "duped" spots`
`20:14.03`	`Cide`	`C_R doesn't do that?`
`20:14.09`	`mikma`	`nope :(`
`20:14.14`	`Cide`	`that could potentially save a lot of calculation time`
`20:14.27`	`Cide`	`given the tracking distance of the minimap`
`20:14.59`	`Lukian`	`Cide, I believe it's intentional due to lag when flying over at like ~400% :p`
`20:15.14`	`Cide`	`not really sure why that matters though`
`20:15.26`	`Cide`	`it's not like I would follow the path to the letter if I used it`
`20:15.39`	`Shirik`	`I already have a calculation algorithm I want to try`
`20:15.58`	`mikma`	`there's some nodes Cartographer_Routes leaves untouched and they are like 00.1x and 00.1y from each other (different spot of mining)`
`20:15.59`	`Shirik`	`might have to play around with it when I get home`
`20:16.11`	`Cide`	`lock_monkeys_in_cage(); sleep(10^100); profit()`
`20:16.26`	`Shirik`	`does C_R try to get every node?`
`20:16.45`	`mikma`	`all the nodes you specify`
`20:16.56`	`Shirik`	`huh.`
`20:16.57`	`mikma`	`in my case, i specified adamantite, rich adamantite and khorium veins`
`20:17.15`	`\|pez\|`	`I find khorium veins... but I cannot mine them yet! It makes me sad.`
`20:17.18`	`mikma`	`there's an article about it in mmo`
`20:17.54`	`zenzelezz`	`\|pez\|: sounds like Hellfire Peninsula on release day`
`20:17.57`	`zenzelezz`	`khorium everywhere`
`20:18.04`	`Shirik`	`ok but it tries every node of that type?`
`20:18.12`	`\|pez\|`	`zenzelezz: I'd cwy XD`
`20:18.40`	`Polarina`	`zenzelezz: Everywhere?`
`20:18.56`	`Cide`	`yes. literally everywhere. moving around was impossible.`
`20:19.08`	`Polarina`	`How?`
`20:19.13`	`Cide`	`are you stupid?`
`20:19.23`	`Polarina`	`Yes.`
`20:19.33`	`Cide`	`oh, nevermind then`
`20:19.38`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`20:21.24`	`\|pez\|`	`also, here's something interesting. According to wowhead, the only thing in Hellfire that drops Netherweave cloth, are the Throne Guard Champions`
`20:21.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That sounds right`
`20:21.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Considering how much worthless runecloth my mage picked up while leveling`
`20:22.07`	`\|pez\|`	`I've gotten netherweave cloth of the various orcs.`
`20:22.23`	`Polarina`	`And Overlord.`
`20:22.42`	`Cide`	`I, for one, welcome our new, Netherweave Cloth Overlords.`
`20:23.43`	`\|pez\|`	`I still get my netherweave of the orcs, random demon things. and I think I got some of the skettis(birdiehumanoidthings) too.`
`20:23.54`	`Polarina`	`>>> print("Are you stupid?", "0x01")`
`20:23.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`At the start of TBC, I had one entire bank for bolts of runecloth`
`20:24.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My (personal) guild bank is up to 100 bolts of imbued netherweave already`
`20:24.17`	`\|pez\|`	`you have a personal guildbank? :o`
`20:24.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Four tabs!`
`20:24.30`	`\|pez\|`	`you have too much money!`
`20:24.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nah, I just don't have a flying epic`
`20:24.44`	`Polarina`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:24.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The last two are 7500g..`
`20:24.58`	`\|pez\|`	`Still XD my guild doesn't even have tab three yet.`
`20:25.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That'll take a while`
`20:25.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:25.15`	`\|pez\|`	`last two tabs are 7500?!`
`20:25.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Total`
`20:25.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`2500g + 5000g`
`20:25.25`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh`
`20:25.26`	`\|pez\|`	`okkeh`
`20:25.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/Tab3.jpg <-- I've since bought a fourth tab and added a few hundred more potions to that`
`20:26.28`	`Polarina`	`But why?`
`20:26.32`	`Cide`	`should sell it and.. you know.. make a couple of thousand gold`
`20:26.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.38`	`Lukian`	`yeah I have a 3 tabber (and and enchanting/lw 2 tabber) guild bank with my hoursemate :D`
`20:26.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't really play the AH`
`20:26.51`	`Lukian`	`it's fantastic storage`
`20:26.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It really is`
`20:27.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's the only way to go`
`20:27.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Delete all of your bank mules, make a guild`
`20:27.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bam`
`20:27.28`	`Lukian`	`I still have 2 bank mules, butthey mostly store crap`
`20:27.37`	`Lukian`	`like meat and really random mats :)`
`20:27.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:27.45`	`mikma`	`Shirik: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=3167.0`
`20:27.52`	`\|pez\|`	`I want a bankmule for my ores.`
`20:27.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, I have one tab dedicated to random crap`
`20:29.15`	`\|pez\|`	`I use my inbox for stuff I know I'll eventually use, send it to my alt, and just send it back`
`20:29.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm borderline OCD when it comes to storage..`
`20:30.04`	`\|pez\|`	`OCD?`
`20:30.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Obsessive compulsive`
`20:30.18`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm a damned packrat.`
`20:30.26`	`Lukian`	`ok ScytheBlade1 beat this`
`20:30.29`	`\|pez\|`	`I need the two last bankslots I think.`
`20:30.38`	`Lukian`	`http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot123007073034dk5.jpg`
`20:31.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rofl`
`20:31.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is that you?`
`20:31.09`	`\|pez\|`	`Mmmmmeat!`
`20:31.14`	`Lukian`	`that's my meat alt`
`20:31.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's awesome`
`20:31.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got a 70 mage and 70 druid, so, I've never stockpiled meat/water`
`20:31.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Made my own and leveled as feral, so... no need`
`20:32.41`	`\|pez\|`	`I need lots and lots of meat, and I need to level my cooking. :P`
`20:32.55`	`\|pez\|`	`my pet is picky about it's food.`
`20:33.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Curse you, now I'm updating my screenshots`
`20:34.13`	`Lukian`	`hehe what are you updating? :D`
`20:34.21`	`Shirik`	`so I'm impressed with my mom.... she actually managed to take a somewhat decent picture for once`
`20:34.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Those screenshots`
`20:34.52`	`Cide`	`time to get some work done. later guys`
`20:34.59`	`Shirik`	`clad\|away: ping?`
`20:35.45`	`mikma`	`Lukian: you need MrPlow to sort those stacks out :D`
`20:36.02`	`Lukian`	`mikma, they are sorted`
`20:36.10`	`Lukian`	`I can't stand mr plow rearranging it :p`
`20:36.42`	`mikma`	`what about MrPlow(2), does it make any difference`
`20:37.10`	`Lukian`	`probably not`
`20:37.16`	`Shirik`	`fun: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4908/divingcatch001rq1.jpg`
`20:37.28`	`mikma`	`then there's the BagSort addon too`
`20:37.35`	`Shirik`	`could be better but oh well`
`20:37.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There we go`
`20:37.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/Tab1.jpg`
`20:37.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`1-4`
`20:37.45`	`Lukian`	`mikma, yeah I occasionally use that one`
`20:37.56`	`Lukian`	`because it doesn't rearrange, just has stacking options`
`20:38.09`	`mikma`	`Lukian: mrplow has plain stack too you know :O`
`20:38.19`	`Lukian`	`random mats & enc/lw guildbank: http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot123007073743us3.jpg`
`20:38.36`	`mikma`	`oh well, it's not my job to advertise :D`
`20:38.49`	`Lukian`	`I think I vendored the scarabs`
`20:38.50`	`Lukian`	`hehe`
`20:38.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah I've got your ench mats beat, lol`
`20:38.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My mage has... a ton`
`20:39.27`	`Lukian`	`dude, give tab 1 to an engineer`
`20:39.33`	`Lukian`	`turn those things into 20 stacks`
`20:39.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:39.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've debated it`
`20:40.51`	`Lukian`	`I see you use the column in the guildbank to help your layout too ^_^`
`20:40.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`20:42.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My druid is, shock, herb/alch (potion spec)`
`20:42.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Makes things like that easy`
`20:44.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Most all of the food came from the cooking dailys too`
`20:44.34`	`clad\|away`	`Shirik: pong`
`20:44.53`	`Lukian`	`tab3: http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot123007074226jc1.jpg tab2: http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot123007074217ap2.jpg tab1; http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot123007074214nc7.jpg`
`20:44.56`	`Lukian`	`:D`
`20:45.08`	`Shirik`	`clad\|away: Is images.gammatester.com ... uh... not happy?`
`20:45.23`	`Shirik`	`I was trying to upload there and all I get is a filename of ".jpg" (nothing before the extension)`
`20:45.32`	`Shirik`	`even though it says "upload successful"`
`20:45.45`	`clad\|away`	`just worked for me`
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`20:45.52`	`clad\|away`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2f5413771c8093630e64543006bcf6fe.png`
`20:46.23`	`Shirik`	`perhaps it's because there was a space in the filename?`
`20:46.32`	`cladhaire`	`thats possible, but i dont think so`
`20:46.35`	`cladhaire`	`it just hashes it`
`20:47.20`	`cladhaire`	`that picture was called "Picture 1.png"`
`20:48.01`	`Kalroth`	`Who uses spaces in their filenames anyways?!`
`20:48.15`	`Shirik`	`Kalroth: Apparently the software that I use that auto-downloads from this camera`
`20:48.31`	`Kalroth`	`Suure, blame it on the camera. If you knew how often .. wait what?`
`20:49.51`	`Lukian`	`ScytheBlade1, our gems and motes are similar :p`
`20:50.01`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com)`
`20:50.06`	`Shirik`	`cladhaire: Hm, I'll keep poking it`
`20:50.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lukian: hehe, not surprised`
`20:50.12`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`20:50.13`	`Cide`	`meh.`
`20:50.21`	`Kalroth`	`hi Cide baby`
`20:50.36`	`Cide`	`is redirecting a frame's method access through an intermediate metatable bad?`
`20:51.00`	`Cide`	`I'm too lazy to try.. I wouldn't think it hurts?`
`20:51.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lot of old world stuff though`
`20:57.29`	`End`	`Cide: just don't do it with a secure frame :P`
`20:58.09`	`Cide`	`yeah :P`
`20:59.24`	`bleeter`	`weeeeeeeeee 'Not enough memory' 'Requested 4543417 bytes'.... cmon 2.3.2 is all I can say`
`21:00.04`	`zenzelezz`	`that's what, 4.2 MB?`
`21:00.41`	`Cide`	`>>> math.frexp(4543417)`
`21:00.41`	`Cide`	`Cide: 0.54161751270294, 23`
`21:00.58`	`zenzelezz`	`frexp?`
`21:01.01`	`bleeter`	`zenzelezz: I missed a 0 at the end there :P`
`21:01.21`	`bleeter`	`zenzelezz: fwiw and as far as I know, it's this bug http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3168485304&postId=32358247973&sid=1#12`
`21:01.47`	`bleeter`	`stubby doing a strsplit and overflowing Lua stack size`
`21:01.52`	`Cide`	`returns m and e such that m*2^e == arg`
`21:02.20`	`Iriel`	`there is a limit on the size of a lua string`
`21:02.33`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: indeed, but it shouldn't crash the game ;)`
`21:02.41`	`Iriel`	`True 8-)`
`21:03.03`	`Iriel`	`At the same time, fixing that might not be the highest of priority issues`
`21:03.14`	`zenzelezz`	`Cide: that tells me nothing really. I suck at maths`
`21:03.42`	`Iriel`	`Cide: Adding your own metatable works fine, as long as you avoid secure code`
`21:04.05`	`Cide`	`Iriel: yeah, I realized that.. can't use it for a group header which was what I was first hoping to do though :)`
`21:04.09`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: as I noted in the norganna report, I'd originally put the issue down to auctioneer svn + wine thus hadn't bothered investigating. hence it went unreported internally to us for a week or two more than it should've`
`21:05.22`	`End`	`Iriel: that's what I told Cide too :P`
`21:05.42`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: slouken says it's 'fixed' for 2.3.2 (it'll throw an Lua error and not crash)`
`21:06.06`	`bleeter`	`hence.. cmon 2.3.2. I'm getting sick of the game crashing every 1/3 of my AH scans`
`21:06.08`	`Iriel`	`I think client crashes offend his sensibilities 8-)`
`21:06.09`	`bleeter`	`;)`
`21:09.19`	`Polarina`	`I hope Slouken will update to Lua 5.1.2 and apply the patches for known bugs too. :)`
`21:09.28`	`cladhaire`	`why?`
`21:09.35`	`Polarina`	`Why not?`
`21:09.40`	`Iriel`	`Have we been impacted by any?`
`21:09.48`	`cladhaire`	`Not that I'm aware of`
`21:09.52`	`cladhaire`	`hence my question :P`
`21:10.26`	`Polarina`	`Always good to keep up to date.`
`21:10.45`	`zenzelezz`	`not if there's no real advantage to updating`
`21:10.50`	`cladhaire`	`in this case, no there isn't.`
`21:10.59`	`cladhaire`	`changing an underlying codebase can be extremely harmful`
`21:11.13`	`Polarina`	`What do you mean?`
`21:11.18`	`Kalroth`	`Not to mention the hours of Q&A you'd have to put into it`
`21:11.20`	`cladhaire`	`Stability is key`
`21:11.38`	`cladhaire`	`changing something like that, because Polarina wants to be able to play stupid Lua tricks inside Wow is hardly a good reason :P`
`21:11.38`	`Polarina`	`These are only bug fixes, how could they reduce stability?`
`21:11.43`	`bleeter`	`spose it depends what he's basing WotLK on, and whether he wants to backport compatibility at all`
`21:11.45`	`cladhaire`	`They are code changes`
`21:11.54`	`cladhaire`	`they have to be tested, extensively`
`21:12.00`	`cladhaire`	`to ensure they don't break something`
`21:12.06`	`Iriel`	`I suspect for blizzard the biggest problem would be re-fitting the taint system on a changed codebase`
`21:12.07`	`cladhaire`	`WoW's Lua is not stock Lua`
`21:12.11`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: The developers who work on Lua do that.`
`21:12.14`	`bleeter`	`Polarina: they could well be fixes that break existing 'workarounds' at a deeper level than stuff's current bustage`
`21:12.21`	`Iriel`	`If there's a specific horrible bug I suspect we could talk him into applying a patch`
`21:12.24`	`cladhaire`	`Polarina: Yes.. but WoW doesn't use that "version" of Lua, now do they.`
`21:12.52`	`Kalroth`	`It isn't just a matter of copying some source files into a directory and pressing compile ;)`
`21:12.59`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: such as strsplit overflows? =))`
`21:13.07`	`cladhaire`	`bleeter: indeed`
`21:13.16`	`Iriel`	`strsplit is wow-specific`
`21:13.20`	`Iriel`	`it's not part of lua`
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`21:13.31`	`bleeter`	`ah, one of slouken's haxes`
`21:13.36`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: Every day, I find you more and more tryint to tell me that you work for Blizzard at the UI team.`
`21:13.41`	`cladhaire`	`I don't.`
`21:13.45`	`Polarina`	`s/tryint/trying/`
`21:13.46`	`Fin`	`oh, hey, Kalroth, you woke up?`
`21:13.47`	`Jainzhar`	`hello @all`
`21:13.49`	`cladhaire`	`sorry`
`21:13.54`	`cladhaire`	`But I have a brain`
`21:13.55`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: Yup, I've been awake for a while now!`
`21:13.58`	`Fin`	`woo!`
`21:13.59`	`cladhaire`	`and I tend to use it when thinking`
`21:14.02`	`Iriel`	`Looking at the 5.1.1 bug list I think the only scary one is #7`
`21:14.08`	`bleeter`	`cladhaire: you do? where'd you get it? can you find one for me please?`
`21:14.40`	`Kalroth`	`Brains are BoP. Trust me, I've tried :(`
`21:14.45`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: I think cladhaire's just providing a perspective which takes into account the larger picture beyond just the code.`
`21:14.55`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: Ok.`
`21:15.17`	`Iriel`	`Making a change to a heavily tested system re-introduces a lot of unknowns, there has to be a sufficient payoff`
`21:15.20`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: I figured if I avoided the question, you'd come up with a better response :P`
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`21:16.04`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: #7 looks fun, indeed`
`21:16.07`	`Fin`	`so, is I Am Legend any good?`
`21:16.18`	`Polarina`	`They should at least apply one of these trivial changes.`
`21:16.18`	`Fin`	`(just to get everyone back on topic)`
`21:16.30`	`cladhaire`	`I wouldn't mind seeing the fixes to 5.1.2#6 and 5.1.2#10 as well, the others seem like they would only be called in code _trying_ to crash things.`
`21:16.33`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: Considering it's Will Smith, it's decent. Had it featured any decent actor, then no.`
`21:16.50`	`cladhaire`	`Polarina: Something that you deem is trivial, and appears to be a trivial change to the Lua source may not always be so, given the entire taint system.`
`21:16.57`	`Fin`	`Kalroth: I have filed under watchable, bring beer`
`21:17.09`	`cladhaire`	`I suspect we'd be more likely to see an update to the latest released minor revision in the expansion`
`21:17.12`	`End`	`yeah, taint is a really large and encompassing change`
`21:17.15`	`cladhaire`	`but I'm not holding my breath`
`21:17.17`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: The taint system is so easy to implement, you could as well just use metatables.`
`21:17.27`	`cladhaire`	`.`
`21:17.28`	`cladhaire`	`..`
`21:17.31`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: I'm not sure I agree with that`
`21:17.34`	`Kalroth`	`...?`
`21:17.41`	`cladhaire`	`that shows an extreme lack of understanding about the tainting system.`
`21:17.48`	`Iriel`	`_A_ taint system may be easy to implement, _THE_ taint system on the other hand, not so much`
`21:17.50`	`Polarina`	`With small code changes, but nothing huge.`
`21:18.09`	`Jainzhar`	`hey, could anybody help me with my addon?`
`21:18.12`	`Iriel`	`I dont think wow's taint implementation is LARGE but it's carefully thought out and applied`
`21:18.27`	`Iriel`	`and it couldn't be all lua`
`21:18.31`	`Fin`	`Jainzhar: what's up`
`21:18.35`	`Polarina`	`Of course not.`
`21:18.39`	`Shirik`	`it's definitely not all Lua :P`
`21:18.41`	`cladhaire`	`Slouken is one of the most talented coders I've ever had the pleasure of meeting.. and I can say without hesitation that I don't believe he overcomplicated the system whatsoever..`
`21:18.47`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge dabujo (i=xx@p54ACBDFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`21:18.50`	`Jainzhar`	`i've created an addon that shows a message when i do crit dmg`
`21:18.57`	`Jainzhar`	`no i will add crit heal`
`21:19.02`	`Jainzhar`	`now`
`21:19.14`	`Shirik`	`~asktoask`
`21:19.15`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`21:19.29`	`Jainzhar`	`here's a little break of the code`
`21:19.30`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: :)`
`21:19.32`	`Jainzhar`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/79751-kfcv`
`21:19.38`	`Kalroth`	`Can I ask to ask to ask a question?`
`21:19.41`	`Cide`	`what brings us this honor?`
`21:19.46`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: You are very talented too.`
`21:19.48`	`Polarina`	`~asktoask`
`21:19.48`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`21:20.01`	`foxlit`	`That so needs a throttle :/`
`21:20.04`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`21:20.07`	`Cide`	`it has one...`
`21:20.16`	`Shirik`	`aye`
`21:20.17`	`foxlit`	`Not long enough :P`
`21:20.36`	`Shirik`	`so now are you going to ask a question or am I going to stare at this uncommented code`
`21:20.40`	`cladhaire`	`we'll see how this goes`
`21:20.46`	`Shirik`	`which, btw, is a hint of your first problem`
`21:20.51`	`foxlit`	`GL_MSG_OHYEAH`
`21:21.02`	`foxlit`	`(GL_SND_HOLYSHIT)`
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`21:21.10`	`Kalroth`	`Comments are for wussies, the code itself is documentation enough!`
`21:21.14`	`Shirik`	`second problem is overuse of globals, judging by the names`
`21:21.20`	`Shirik`	`Okay no`
`21:21.23`	`Polarina`	`Kalroth: !`
`21:21.25`	`End`	`If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read!`
`21:21.25`	`Shirik`	`That's not even funny`
`21:21.27`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: meh, nitpicking :)`
`21:21.31`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: It is!`
`21:21.47`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: The first one often takes quite a while, it does restart if you have to interrupt it`
`21:21.57`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: aye, seems to be going rather quickly`
`21:22.03`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: you want nitpicking?`
`21:22.03`	`Kalroth`	`The source code should be honored if I even enter my initials somewhere, much less a bugzilla reference!`
`21:22.05`	`Shirik`	`this is nitpicking`
`21:22.09`	`cladhaire`	`160 Maxtor OneTouch4Mini for $99.99`
`21:22.11`	`Shirik`	`This line is redundant: if sound then PlaySoundFile(sound); end`
`21:22.12`	`foxlit`	`No, you were nitpicking :)`
`21:22.13`	`cladhaire`	`that's only like £45!`
`21:22.21`	`Shirik`	`PlaySoundFile(nil) is equivalent to doing nothing`
`21:22.24`	`Shirik`	`so the if statement is worthless`
`21:22.28`	`Cide`	`-- I have no idea what this code does, as I was drunk when I wrote it. The understanding part is left as an excercise to the reade`
`21:22.33`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: nice`
`21:22.40`	`Cide`	`reader, too`
`21:22.44`	`Kalroth`	`Cide: Exactly!`
`21:22.46`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Should I name my magic constant like that?`
`21:22.53`	`cladhaire`	`my first Fry's experience`
`21:22.53`	`Cide`	`if you can, you must`
`21:23.01`	`Shirik`	`#define UNKNOWN_MAGIC_FORMULA_NUMBER 126.0`
`21:23.04`	`Kalroth`	`Drunk code is the best, especially when it works`
`21:23.08`	`cladhaire`	`also got a 2GB MicroSD card for my phone for $9.99`
`21:23.11`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: Fry's is.. interesting.. is it not?`
`21:23.16`	`cladhaire`	`definitely`
`21:23.22`	`cladhaire`	`felt like a grocery store.. for electronics`
`21:23.23`	`Jainzhar`	`the problem i have, i havnt found the strings for "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF"`
`21:23.32`	`Iriel`	`did you get simultaneously thrilled and burned by the experience?`
`21:23.36`	`Kalroth`	`#define INT_ONE 1`
`21:23.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`u in ca clad?`
`21:23.43`	`Cide`	`Kalroth: I wrote CTRA2's buff management code very late one evening.. I have yet to figure it out since`
`21:23.43`	`Shirik`	`#define ONE_HALF_OF_2_TO_THE_EIGHT_MINUS_1 127`
`21:23.45`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: Phoenix atm`
`21:23.47`	`Iriel`	`that's my tragic repeated frys experience`
`21:24.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`fry's is cool, i dont recommend comp hardware there tho`
`21:24.06`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: Actually no, it wasn't really overwhelming or disappointing.. just felt dirty and unorganized`
`21:24.11`	`cladhaire`	`like a corner component shop`
`21:24.23`	`cladhaire`	`only bigger`
`21:24.26`	`Kalroth`	`Cide: We've had 16 hour code crunches at work, we don't anymore ;)`
`21:24.27`	`Iriel`	`It may vary by location`
`21:24.38`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`21:24.40`	`Cide`	`Shirik: #define ONE_HUNDRED_TWENTY_SEVEN 127`
`21:24.47`	`Shirik`	`Seriously though if you're not going to ask a question I'm going to go back to whatever I was doing`
`21:24.48`	`Iriel`	`I believe the original frys literally WERE grocery stores that got bought by an eletronics vendor`
`21:24.54`	`Shirik`	`(@ Kalroth )`
`21:24.55`	`Cide`	`missed an 'and' in there, I suppose`
`21:25.02`	`Iriel`	`certainly the silicon valley ones are.. odd.`
`21:25.08`	`Cide`	`Kalroth? you mean Jainzhar?`
`21:25.09`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Actually, no. It is incorrect to use "and" even though everyone does`
`21:25.10`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: Ooops, I wasn't asking a question, sorry.`
`21:25.16`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: It was Jainzhar that asked. :)`
`21:25.19`	`Cide`	`Shirik: oh, what'dya know.`
`21:25.26`	`Fin`	`msg Kalroth oh, fucksticks, "Unable to connect"`
`21:25.29`	`Fin`	`+/`
`21:25.30`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`21:25.30`	`Fin`	`oops`
`21:25.32`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: owned!`
`21:25.32`	`Polarina`	`#define PI 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884917`
`21:25.36`	`Shirik`	`Well Kalroth kinda took over for him`
`21:25.41`	`Polarina`	`Something around that. :)`
`21:25.46`	`Iriel`	`There's a group in rock band whose name is pi to like 30 places`
`21:25.52`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Anyway, "one hundred and twenty six" is technically 100.26`
`21:25.52`	`Iriel`	`and their quote ends with "We also like Pie."`
`21:25.54`	`Iriel`	`I liked that`
`21:26.04`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: I was just trolling along, my bad. I'm trying to level my hunter pet from 59 to 70 .. :)`
`21:26.05`	`Cide`	`Shirik: ah`
`21:26.17`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: I have a character named Cutie3pt1415926`
`21:26.24`	`Cide`	`I'd name my band 3.141592i'mtrappedinauniversefactory653589`
`21:26.35`	`Fisker-`	`aone does not simply walk into #wowi-lounge`
`21:26.38`	`Shirik`	`Obviously not WoW since you can't have numbers`
`21:26.52`	`Shirik`	`And why am I being eyed? o.o`
`21:26.57`	`Iriel`	`Where do you get 'one hundred and twenty six is techically 100.26`
`21:26.59`	`foxlit`	`Legolasz23947820394802938 was so appealing :P`
`21:27.05`	`Cide`	`we're simply determining your cutiepieness`
`21:27.09`	`Shirik`	`because it is :P We had a long discussion about this in my algebra 2 class`
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`21:27.17`	`Shirik`	`"one hundred twenty six" is 126`
`21:27.26`	`Cide`	`foxlit: I'd prefer szLegola`
`21:27.29`	`Shirik`	`at least according to my teachers`
`21:27.32`	`Shirik`	`NO`
`21:27.32`	`Iriel`	`I'd argue one hundred twenty six is 2600`
`21:27.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fin, ya, the pitchlimit thing`
`21:27.36`	`Shirik`	`HUNGARIAN NOTATION DIED`
`21:27.40`	`Shirik`	`DO NOT BRING IT BACK`
`21:27.40`	`Iriel`	`and one hundred and twenty six is 126`
`21:27.45`	`cladhaire`	`i would never consider it 100.26`
`21:27.52`	`Jainzhar`	`omg i've lost the overlook ^^`
`21:27.55`	`Iriel`	`Nobody should ever have even started hungarian notation`
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`21:28.08`	`Iriel`	`it was a sign of programmers who couldn't understand their own source code`
`21:28.09`	`Cide`	`Shirik: don't like it? :)`
`21:28.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`and denotes partial quantities on checks`
`21:28.17`	`Kalroth`	`Iriel: whatIsWrongWithHungarianNotation?!`
`21:28.17`	`Shirik`	`every time I look at the MSDN I am reminded of its existance...`
`21:28.23`	`Shirik`	`That's not hungarian notation`
`21:28.27`	`Kalroth`	`oh?`
`21:28.27`	`Cide`	`that's camelCase`
`21:28.28`	`Iriel`	`your compiler knows what type of variable it is, DONT FREAKING RENAME THE THING TO INCLUDE IT`
`21:28.29`	`Polarina`	`Hungarian notation?`
`21:28.31`	`Kalroth`	`d'oh!`
`21:28.31`	`Shirik`	`bIsThereSomethingWrongWitHungarianNotation`
`21:28.34`	`Shirik`	`that's hungarian notation`
`21:28.41`	`Kalroth`	`ah right, variable type declaration`
`21:28.54`	`Kalroth`	`my variable type is 'what', so it's still true!`
`21:28.58`	`Polarina`	`I don't get it.`
`21:29.07`	`Fin`	`what`
`21:29.09`	`Shirik`	`Though it's not a big deal to me. I grew up on BASIC where your variables DID indicate what type the variable was`
`21:29.12`	`Kalroth`	`b = boolean`
`21:29.12`	`Iriel`	`One of my least favorite java 'styles' is the one where every variable gets prefixed with its scope`
`21:29.14`	`Iriel`	`it drives me mad`
`21:29.15`	`Iriel`	`MAD`
`21:29.15`	`Fin`	`you don't get what`
`21:29.18`	`Shirik`	`I% was an integer, I$ was a string, etc.`
`21:29.29`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: I dont have a problem with it if the language requires it`
`21:29.30`	`Shirik`	`And to this day I still call $ 'string' not 'dollar' or something similar`
`21:29.42`	`Kalroth`	`Iriel: So you're saying that you can get more crazy than you currently are? ;)`
`21:29.43`	`Cide`	`Iriel: scope? really? that's.. interesting`
`21:29.46`	`Shirik`	`people get confused when I say that`
`21:30.10`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: Neither do I :) But intellisense makes it pointless for modern languages`
`21:30.14`	`Shirik`	`like C`
`21:30.20`	`Iriel`	`void someFunction(String mInput) { String lTemp = fValue + mInput; return lTemp.size(); }`
`21:30.22`	`Iriel`	`It's maddening`
`21:30.23`	`Polarina`	`xD`
`21:30.26`	`Shirik`	`which Microsoft seems to think, even though they invented intellisense, the variable must show what it is`
`21:30.42`	`foxlit`	`would that actually compile?`
`21:30.54`	`Shirik`	`The only thing I do is prefix my classes with "C"`
`21:31.02`	`foxlit`	`CapsNotEnough?`
`21:31.04`	`Iriel`	`Hm, actually it's .length() not .size(), but you get the idea`
`21:31.05`	`Shirik`	`so CMyClassName, in MyClassName.h/MyClassName.cpp`
`21:31.15`	`foxlit`	`return value in a void, though?`
`21:31.15`	`Iriel`	`That'd drive me mad also S.`
`21:31.22`	`Iriel`	`oh, sorry, didn't spot i'd done that`
`21:31.25`	`Iriel`	`no, that wouldn't compile`
`21:31.26`	`Polarina`	`I only prefix my variables with 'p' if it's a pointer and when it makes sense.`
`21:31.31`	`Shirik`	`well, if lTemp.size() returns void`
`21:31.31`	`zenzelezz`	`I like hungarian notation. Not MS's version, but the ones I've become accustomed to myself`
`21:31.40`	`zenzelezz`	`LPCTSTR is a bit excessive`
`21:31.50`	`Shirik`	`because size() does not exist for a string`
`21:31.53`	`Shirik`	`length() does :P`
`21:31.54`	`Shirik`	`iirc`
`21:32.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`i hate java`
`21:32.06`	`Polarina`	`~iirc`
`21:32.06`	`purl`	`i guess iirc is "if I recall correctly"`
`21:32.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`syntax`
`21:32.15`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Even if it returned void, you can't "return" a void value`
`21:32.19`	`Shirik`	`no?`
`21:32.25`	`Shirik`	`How do you force a tailcall?`
`21:32.26`	`Jainzhar`	`here is the complete lua of my addon http://wowi.pastey.net/79754`
`21:32.29`	`Shirik`	`or do you not?`
`21:32.30`	`Iriel`	`That was actually something I really wanted the C++ folks to add because it would have made code generation much easier`
`21:32.43`	`Iriel`	`You dont, the language can figure it out (I dont think java does tailcalls inherently anyway)`
`21:32.47`	`Jainzhar`	`now i will add "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF"`
`21:32.48`	`Kalroth`	`Personally I prefer to use misleading variable names when coding in other peoples source. Like using TextStr as an integer. It's a good conversation starter at the monthly code review!`
`21:32.51`	`foxlit`	`Jainzhar: you're going in the wrong direction; we actually want to see less code :)`
`21:32.52`	`Shirik`	`Jainzhar: Nobody is answering you because you still have yet to ask a question`
`21:33.06`	`Cide`	`Jainzhar: great for you! is there a question?`
`21:33.07`	`Polarina`	`Using superman as a variable name. xD`
`21:33.08`	`foxlit`	`(and it turns out those were locals)`
`21:33.23`	`cladhaire`	`i use monkey and poop as variables`
`21:33.25`	`Shirik`	`hey, nothing beats SingaporeStreetNoodles`
`21:33.25`	`cladhaire`	`ALL the time`
`21:33.28`	`cladhaire`	`its obnoxious`
`21:33.46`	`Jainzhar`	`yes, still wanna know what i have zo insert in line local _, _, for "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF"`
`21:33.58`	`Cide`	`poopMonkeyPoop`
`21:33.59`	`Kalroth`	`cladhaire: So in theory you could make your monkey fling poop?`
`21:34.02`	`Cide`	`Jainzhar: are you a programmer?`
`21:34.05`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`21:34.07`	`Jainzhar`	`so that it chaecks for critheal`
`21:34.15`	`Jainzhar`	`no i'm not`
`21:34.17`	`Fin`	`on the subject but not directly: why the hell is it possible to pass function arguments with 's as a delimiter for a single argument?`
`21:34.21`	`Cide`	`so I take it that's not your addon`
`21:34.29`	`Shirik`	`local _, _, for "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF" doesn't mean much to me`
`21:34.37`	`Shirik`	`Fin: <3`
`21:34.39`	`Jainzhar`	`its mine, i build it with some help from here last year`
`21:34.43`	`foxlit`	`local _, _, mob, dmg = string.find(arg1, GODLIKE_MELEEHIT)`
`21:35.00`	`Iriel`	`back in a bit`
`21:35.10`	`Shirik`	`Jainzhar: First problem. No comments. If you're going to learn to program, write them. It will help both yourself and us.`
`21:35.12`	`foxlit`	`(that's already there, just pointing out context for local _, _)`
`21:35.21`	`Shirik`	`You won't learn if you don't write any comments.`
`21:35.29`	`Cide`	`let's save us all some time here`
`21:35.39`	`Fin`	`YOUR MUM`
`21:35.41`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: That's highly relative to the quality of the comments.`
`21:35.47`	`Shirik`	`Yes, please don't write things like`
`21:35.53`	`Shirik`	`what my CSII class seems to do:`
`21:36.00`	`Shirik`	`a = 4; // sets a to 4`
`21:36.02`	`Shirik`	`no.`
`21:36.06`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`21:36.24`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`21:36.32`	`foxlit`	`Problem is, a lot of things don't get to a point where you actually need comments that are meaningful`
`21:36.32`	`End`	`That's just bad :P`
`21:36.36`	`cladhaire`	`also, i'm of the firm belief that comments should not share the same line as code.`
`21:36.42`	`Kalroth`	`Personally I prefer function headers and one-liners inside the functions if I'm doing something funky. Apart from that I don't comment much.`
`21:36.43`	`Kalroth`	`:(`
`21:36.46`	`foxlit`	`So "write comments" combined with "but it's a three line method" is bad`
`21:36.57`	`Fin`	`I like PHP's ability to use different styles of comments`
`21:37.07`	`End`	`Personally, I'm of the opinion comments should be like a highlighter`
`21:37.19`	`Shirik`	`Or // Nobody reads these comments anyway`
`21:37.21`	`cladhaire`	`In my opinion, if you had to look something up, figure something out, or stop to think of your approach you should write a comment.`
`21:37.25`	`Fin`	`I use #s for temporary comments, //s for inline comments explaining little bits of code, and /* ... */ as function headers and file headers`
`21:37.31`	`cladhaire`	`You can always remove comments.`
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`21:37.32`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`21:37.32`	`Shirik`	`Which, btw, was returned to the student with "btw, I read that comment"`
`21:38.00`	`Shirik`	`and yes, cladhaire, my technique is generally to write above the line`
`21:38.07`	`Shirik`	`though it all depends on what exactly the comment's purpose is`
`21:38.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`my wow is borked`
`21:38.14`	`Shirik`	`though my assembly comments tend to be on the line of thecode`
`21:38.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`it says i'm the leader of a party`
`21:38.21`	`foxlit`	`Those situations may not arise if the program is sufficiently simple`
`21:38.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`but there are no other party members`
`21:38.30`	`Shirik`	`mostly because usually I have a comment at least every 3 lines or so`
`21:38.35`	`Kalroth`	`cladhaire: Yes, but that's not always true though. What might be simple for you, could be hard for someone else. Do you go for lowest common denominator or do you only comment stuff that you don't feel comfortable with yourself?`
`21:38.36`	`Shirik`	`AnduinLothar: I had that happen before`
`21:38.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`and when green loot drops it makes me roll on it`
`21:38.40`	`End`	`AnduinLothar: try LeaveParty() or whatever the api function is`
`21:38.40`	`foxlit`	`AL: you may have invited someone`
`21:38.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`LeaveParty() worked thx`
`21:39.01`	`Shirik`	`I still think there should be more 100 line comments!!`
`21:39.01`	`End`	`:)`
`21:39.06`	`cladhaire`	`Kalroth: That gets dangerous..`
`21:39.07`	`End`	`I've run into that problem before :P`
`21:39.16`	`cladhaire`	`if something is not obvious to someone who is competent in the language`
`21:39.18`	`cladhaire`	`i'll also comment`
`21:39.28`	`cladhaire`	`but no, i don't believe in playing to a "lowest common denominator"`
`21:39.40`	`cladhaire`	`because shirik is so bloody stupid, I'd have to comment every line`
`21:39.44`	`cladhaire`	`and that would be sad`
`21:39.53`	`Kalroth`	`cladhaire: Exactly. I've worked on projects with 10+ programmers, half of them weren't in the building. A lot of my assumptions regarding code level/skills went out of the window. :)`
`21:39.54`	`End`	`Are you writing code for shirik? :P`
`21:40.00`	`End`	`if not, who cares :P`
`21:40.26`	`Shirik`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/79757-46bb`
`21:40.26`	`Shirik`	`win`
`21:40.51`	`Shirik`	`this is a bit outdated but oh well. Wrote this about a year ago`
`21:41.04`	`End`	`nybble much?`
`21:41.08`	`foxlit`	`And it'd be so much easier with 2^n notation`
`21:41.34`	`Shirik`	`but you wouldn't have a nice little chart :P`
`21:41.37`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: That's Asheron's Call string obfuscation!`
`21:41.40`	`Cide`	`Jainzhar: what's the value of GODLIKE_SPELLHIT?`
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`21:42.02`	`Jainzhar`	`GODLIKE_SPELLHIT="Your (.+) crits (.+) for (%d+)";`
`21:42.14`	`Shirik`	`End: nybble == 4 bits?`
`21:42.44`	`Kalroth`	`Swapping lower 4 bits with upper 4 bits in a character, that is`
`21:42.53`	`Kalroth`	`And isn't it a nibble?`
`21:43.02`	`Shirik`	`there are multiple spellings`
`21:43.06`	`Shirik`	`~dict nybble`
`21:43.06`	`Kalroth`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibble !`
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`21:43.15`	`Shirik`	`a "Small byte" wtf?`
`21:43.16`	`Cide`	`GODLIKE_HEALHIT = "Your (.+) critically heals (.+) for (%d+)";`
`21:43.19`	`Kalroth`	`hahaha`
`21:43.24`	`Cide`	`add that`
`21:43.27`	`Kalroth`	`It's a tiiiny byte!`
`21:43.36`	`Shirik`	`and you will find on that page Kalroth`
`21:43.38`	`Kalroth`	`"Historically, there have been cases where the term "nybble" was used for a set of bits fewer than 8, but not necessarily 4."`
`21:43.42`	`Shirik`	`"or less commonly, nybble"`
`21:43.48`	`Jainzhar`	`i've added that`
`21:44.09`	`Jainzhar`	`lokks GODLIKE_HEALCRIT = "Your (.+) critically heals (.+) for (%d+)";`
`21:44.16`	`End`	`Shirik: you say nybble a lot, that's all :P`
`21:44.17`	`Cide`	`consistency.`
`21:44.26`	`Cide`	`your 'spell' version is called GODLIKE_HEALHIT`
`21:44.27`	`Cide`	`err`
`21:44.28`	`Cide`	`SPELLHIT`
`21:44.32`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: Yup, both terms works it seems. I just hadn't seen nybble around before.`
`21:44.37`	`Cide`	`name that one HEALHIT, not -CRIT`
`21:44.49`	`Shirik`	`meh, it's what I learned :)`
`21:44.59`	`Shirik`	`End: Would you rather I said "four bits" ?`
`21:45.02`	`Shirik`	`that's boring`
`21:45.11`	`Jainzhar`	`okay, i've renamed that`
`21:45.14`	`Kalroth`	`I prefer "small byte", much less confusing!`
`21:45.18`	`End`	`I would have said 4 bits probably`
`21:45.19`	`Shirik`	`yeah...`
`21:45.24`	`Cide`	`Jainzhar: http://wowi.pastey.net/79758`
`21:45.24`	`Shirik`	`~dict 3 nybble`
`21:45.29`	`Shirik`	`...`
`21:45.31`	`Cide`	`(not sure why I'm doing this)`
`21:45.32`	`Shirik`	`~dict 1 nybble`
`21:45.37`	`Shirik`	`ok you fail`
`21:45.41`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`21:45.45`	`End`	`nibble/nybble doesn't really occur to me as something to say :P`
`21:45.56`	`End`	`(and nybble looks like a silly word to me :P)`
`21:45.57`	`Shirik`	`because people don't usually talk in 4 bits on PCs`
`21:46.13`	`Cide`	`s/(i\|y)bb/ipp/`
`21:46.17`	`Shirik`	`on the other hand in embedded systems I actually use the term a lot because we try to make use of every bit`
`21:46.25`	`End`	`Cide: haha`
`21:46.28`	`Shirik`	`hell, on PCs, most people use bytes for boolean values`
`21:47.10`	`End`	`sometimes people even use a whole integer!`
`21:47.19`	`Shirik`	`#define BOOL int`
`21:47.19`	`Shirik`	`?`
`21:47.33`	`Shirik`	`#define TRUE (int)1 #define FALSE (int)0`
`21:47.35`	`Kalroth`	`Yup, I once coded a communication layer to a payment terminal (creditcard). They were using 7bit packet sizes, with the highest bit to indicate if there was more data. It was great fun to extract text strings from that ><`
`21:47.36`	`Cide`	`#define nypple nipple`
`21:47.54`	`Shirik`	`Kalroth: easy stuff come on :P`
`21:47.59`	`Shirik`	`I pack my stuff like that all the time`
`21:48.18`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: Well it was my first "project" where I had to bitshift my way out of everything.`
`21:48.25`	`Kalroth`	`Like 10 years ago`
`21:48.29`	`End`	`that sounds like a pain to me :P`
`21:48.49`	`End`	`although`
`21:48.49`	`Cide`	`meh, cry more :P`
`21:48.56`	`Shirik`	`"The following values may be ORed together to make multiple requests: 1: Get IrDA channel 1. 2: Get IrDA channel 2. 4: Get IrDA channel 3. 8: Get IrDA channel 4. 1-15 LSL 4: Number of samples; see footnote 1"`
`21:49.01`	`Shirik`	`quote from a protocol I'm using right now`
`21:49.37`	`Kalroth`	`Sure, bitshifting isn't much of a problem today ;)`
`21:49.50`	`Shirik`	`you don't have to bitshift what you said`
`21:50.05`	`Shirik`	`just AND it with 01111111%`
`21:50.09`	`End`	`were they packing 8bit bytes in? or was it just 7bit ascii?`
`21:50.40`	`Cide`	`or check if packet >= 256 :P`
`21:50.44`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: It's faster just to shift it left and then and it. In terms of cpu cycles, anyways.`
`21:51.02`	`Shirik`	`you're crazy`
`21:51.06`	`Cide`	`err, 128`
`21:51.10`	`Shirik`	`you don't need to see if it's a "1"`
`21:51.14`	`Shirik`	`you need to see if it's not zero`
`21:51.23`	`Shirik`	`jnz is a perfect opcode to use`
`21:51.37`	`Shirik`	`AND 10000000%`
`21:51.40`	`Shirik`	`JNZ <loop>`
`21:51.43`	`Polarina`	`On x86 that is.`
`21:51.43`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: Oh, true. It's been a while since I worked on it.`
`21:51.57`	`Shirik`	`These are not x86 opcodes, I don't write x86 assembly`
`21:52.02`	`Kalroth`	`I know :)`
`21:52.07`	`Shirik`	`But they should be the same in terms of cycles`
`21:52.10`	`Kalroth`	`AND and JNZ is pretty generic`
`21:52.15`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`21:52.43`	`Shirik`	`68HCS12 is a bit annoying to write in actually. Every operation has about 10 different opcodes`
`21:52.48`	`Kalroth`	`The problem with the data was that it was streaming btw, so I didn't have access to all of it`
`21:52.50`	`Shirik`	`Let's see if I can count all the "add"s`
`21:52.53`	`Kalroth`	`So I had to do byte by byte checks`
`21:52.56`	`Jainzhar`	`Cide: Thanks alot`
`21:53.01`	`Cide`	`does it work?`
`21:53.05`	`Jainzhar`	`yes`
`21:53.08`	`Cide`	`I didn't test it (or the syntax)`
`21:53.09`	`Cide`	`cool :)`
`21:53.11`	`Kalroth`	`It was "streaming" serial data :)`
`21:53.17`	`Cide`	`I simplified it a lot as you can see`
`21:53.24`	`Jainzhar`	`i've seen`
`21:53.30`	`Shirik`	`adab, addd, ada, adb, iny, inx`
`21:53.42`	`Shirik`	`that's all I can think of right now, but still 6 opcodes for just add...`
`21:53.43`	`Kalroth`	`iny/inx?`
`21:53.55`	`Kalroth`	`oh, inverse?`
`21:53.58`	`Shirik`	`technically "increment Y" and "increment x"`
`21:54.01`	`Kalroth`	`ah`
`21:54.15`	`Kalroth`	`an opcode to increment? ;)`
`21:54.20`	`Shirik`	`whoops, "ada" is supposed to be "adaa"`
`21:54.24`	`Shirik`	`and there's also an "aba"`
`21:54.45`	`Polarina`	`Seven..`
`21:54.47`	`Kalroth`	`how many stack variables?`
`21:54.59`	`Shirik`	`yeah well Y and X are index registers. Technically you're not supposed to "add" with them so they call it "increment" but it's the same thing`
`21:55.10`	`Shirik`	`Just 1 stack register`
`21:55.16`	`Kalroth`	`><`
`21:55.19`	`Jainzhar`	`Cide: now i think i could modify this on my own`
`21:55.24`	`Shirik`	`And I forgot about that, sorry, that's "ins"`
`21:55.28`	`Cide`	`Jainzhar: cool :)`
`21:55.41`	`Jainzhar`	`thanks again an bye for now`
`21:55.46`	`Cide`	`no worries, bye`
`21:55.53`	`Shirik`	`there's quite literally a different opcode for every register or set of registers you could work on`
`21:55.53`	`Cide`	`not sure why I did that...`
`21:55.56`	`Cide`	`someone slap me`
`21:55.59`	`Shirik`	`<3 Cide`
`21:56.13`	`Cide`	`:/`
`21:56.14`	`Shirik`	`Kalroth: welcome to the wonderful world of microcontrollers`
`21:56.17`	`Shirik`	`aren't they fun?`
`21:56.21`	`Kalroth`	`I'm kind of torn when it comes to assembly. I hate the language, but it's needed in a lot of environments and knowing it actually helps you code in "normal" languages. In most cases. :)`
`21:56.23`	`Polarina`	`lnz`
`21:56.36`	`Shirik`	`lnz does what?`
`21:56.43`	`Shirik`	`oh loop if not zero?`
`21:56.45`	`Polarina`	`Not really sure, something with addition.`
`21:56.47`	`Shirik`	`we have "dbne"`
`21:57.01`	`Shirik`	`dbne is a fun opcode, I don't know many microcontrollers that have it`
`21:57.11`	`Kalroth`	`not equal, yeah?`
`21:57.13`	`Shirik`	`It does 3 things at once`
`21:57.32`	`Shirik`	`decrements a byte, test against zero, branch if not equal`
`21:57.47`	`Polarina`	`goto (a.k.a. jmp)`
`21:57.56`	`Shirik`	`we call that "bra"`
`21:58.00`	`Cide`	`hot.`
`21:58.02`	`Kalroth`	`branch, aye`
`21:58.02`	`Shirik`	`"Branch always"`
`21:58.14`	`Shirik`	`For some reason there's also "brn" (branch never"`
`21:58.20`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
`21:58.24`	`Fin`	`Kalroth: you are a founding member of <Fist>!`
`21:58.33`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: of fury!`
`21:58.35`	`Shirik`	`I think it's because it takes the same amount of space as other branch opcodes`
`21:58.43`	`Shirik`	`so if you want to remove the branch temporarily it's easy to overwrite`
`21:58.48`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: NOOP!?`
`21:58.55`	`Shirik`	`there's a noop too but that's only one byte long`
`21:58.59`	`Shirik`	`brn iirc is 2`
`21:59.10`	`Polarina`	`But why is the nop instruction there?`
`21:59.21`	`Shirik`	`nop can actually be useful`
`21:59.45`	`Polarina`	`How?`
`21:59.49`	`Kalroth`	`nop is very useful, especially when you want to bypass annoying cdrom che.. wait, nevermind.`
`21:59.54`	`Shirik`	`it's amusing though, inp and nop both are the same bytecode, even though they're not the same instruction in the manual`
`22:00.03`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: look up nop sleds`
`22:00.04`	`Shirik`	`they're fun`
`22:00.47`	`Polarina`	`nop sleds?`
`22:00.51`	`Shirik`	`nop is also an interesting way to provide a form of timing`
`22:00.59`	`Shirik`	`for very specific timing`
`22:01.27`	`Polarina`	`Unportable way of timing, of course. ;)`
`22:01.28`	`Shirik`	`~wiki nop slide`
`22:01.44`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: when you're working with microcontrollers, you're not even thinking about portable :P`
`22:01.48`	`Kalroth`	`And it's required when you want to do selfmodifying code. Well almost required, it makes it tons easier ;)`
`22:02.07`	`Shirik`	`~wiki NOP slide`
`22:02.46`	`Shirik`	`"Generally a NOP slide will be used in cases where execution will branch into a position that cannot be determined with absolute accuracy, therefore "padding" the memory area before and after the approximate branch address is performed in the hope of avoiding an exception which would cause the program or system to crash. "`
`22:02.56`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`22:03.35`	`Polarina`	`"hope" xD`
`22:03.44`	`Shirik`	`well that's about all you can really do`
`22:03.59`	`Shirik`	`the whole reasoning behind a NOP sled is you don't know exactly what's going to happen`
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`22:04.36`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: Like a generated jumptable (objects, etc) where you don't have full control of the properties for some reason?`
`22:04.48`	`Shirik`	`Like, theoretically speaking`
`22:04.49`	`Kalroth`	`I can't think of anything where you don't have control of your branches`
`22:05.01`	`Shirik`	`if you wanted to jump to some code you might have injected, though you don't actually know exactly where that code is`
`22:05.03`	`Kalroth`	`I guess it's a different story for microcontrollers`
`22:05.28`	`Kalroth`	`So you might end up sliding eg. 4-6 nops before reaching the actual code?`
`22:05.28`	`Shirik`	`I've never actually used a nop sled in a microcontroller, and I don't see a good reason for it`
`22:05.40`	`Shirik`	`nop sleds are mostly used for buffer overflow exploits`
`22:05.48`	`Kalroth`	`for or against? :)`
`22:05.52`	`Shirik`	`for`
`22:06.01`	`Polarina`	`?`
`22:06.21`	`Shirik`	`You would inject your code into some memory location and ovewrite the return address on the stack, but you don't know quite where that memory is all the time`
`22:06.31`	`Kalroth`	`Aha, in that way`
`22:06.32`	`Shirik`	`So you pad it with NOP codes and guess at where it is`
`22:06.49`	`Kalroth`	`But there must have been a "legit" reason to implement the upcode to begin with?`
`22:07.03`	`Shirik`	`NOP is very useful in debugging`
`22:07.09`	`Shirik`	`when you have to get rid of something`
`22:07.09`	`Kalroth`	`ooh my bad`
`22:07.11`	`Iriel`	`Can can use NOPs for alignment also`
`22:07.20`	`Shirik`	`Yeah in processors like the 68000`
`22:07.22`	`Kalroth`	`NOP sled is just a bunch of NOPs, nothing else`
`22:07.33`	`Shirik`	`where you have to be on an even byte`
`22:07.37`	`Shirik`	`NOPs are almost required`
`22:08.00`	`Kalroth`	`Then I've used it a few times, I just weren't aware there was a terminology for it ;)`
`22:08.02`	`Polarina`	`"Almost" you say.`
`22:08.14`	`Shirik`	`well, you could just leave a bunch of random crap there if you really wanted to`
`22:08.19`	`Shirik`	`but it's probably not a good idea`
`22:08.24`	`Polarina`	`Hehe...`
`22:08.28`	`Iriel`	`Damn it, HP dont support my photo printer under OSX 10.5`
`22:08.33`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`22:08.38`	`Shirik`	`You know what that means Iriel?`
`22:08.40`	`Kalroth`	`Iriel: Get a real mans OS!`
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`22:08.49`	`Shirik`	`Well I would have said it a bit more politely, but yes :P`
`22:08.57`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: Write your own driver.`
`22:09.02`	`art3mis`	`osx is a realmans OS`
`22:09.07`	`art3mis`	`they just put it in a skirt`
`22:09.11`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: no gimp driver?`
`22:09.16`	`Shirik`	`solaris is a real man's os :P`
`22:09.24`	`Polarina`	`GNU is!`
`22:09.33`	`Shirik`	`GNU is not an os?`
`22:09.35`	`zenzelezz`	`OS/360`
`22:09.39`	`art3mis`	`solaris is more a "holy shit" OS ;P`
`22:09.43`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: I can get it to print without an official HP driver (I had to UNINSTALL HP's because it just breaks) but i'm not sure it's going to work`
`22:09.44`	`Polarina`	`GNU is a OS!`
`22:09.51`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`22:09.52`	`art3mis`	`emacs is a real man's OS`
`22:09.58`	`Shirik`	`you know what, screw OSes, get an IPL and write the bytecode manually to launch your programs!`
`22:10.18`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: That's the spirit!`
`22:10.20`	`Iriel`	`I've written printer drivers before, long ago`
`22:10.25`	`art3mis`	`is it an inkjet printer/`
`22:10.26`	`art3mis`	`?`
`22:10.26`	`Iriel`	`back when they were simple`
`22:10.39`	`Shirik`	`yeah they aren't really simple anymore`
`22:10.45`	`Shirik`	`so many features like ink level check, alignment`
`22:10.51`	`Iriel`	`back when precise control over timing and ink amounts, and critical lookup tables of consumable types weren't important`
`22:10.58`	`Polarina`	`"Simple ideas don't work out anymore due to the complexity of the world."`
`22:11.27`	`art3mis`	`you could try ip-basing it, sometimes you ca weasel better results than direct connection`
`22:11.35`	`Iriel`	`in the good old days firmware took care of all of that and i'd just give the printer a postscript file`
`22:12.06`	`Shirik`	`I like my firmware for the controller I'm programming right now`
`22:12.08`	`Iriel`	`art3mis: I've seen claims of that here, but I dont have a convenient IP print server and i'm not sure I want to spend all that time screwing around with samba again`
`22:12.13`	`Shirik`	`you just send it 3 bytes and it knows everything to do`
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`22:12.18`	`Polarina`	`Shirik: What controller?`
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`22:12.21`	`Shirik`	`I think 115000 baud is a bit excessive for this though`
`22:12.31`	`Shirik`	`Atmega if you've heard of it?`
`22:12.38`	`Polarina`	`No, sorry.`
`22:12.48`	`Shirik`	`it's for a robot I'm designing with a team`
`22:13.04`	`Polarina`	`Robot? o.O`
`22:13.16`	`Kalroth`	`What's the upcode to dismantle a bomb, Shirik?!`
`22:13.36`	`Polarina`	`Kalroth: lol`
`22:13.43`	`Shirik`	`ATmega 168: http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/atmel/2545S.pdf`
`22:13.49`	`Kalroth`	`Iriel: I hope your couch is comfy!`
`22:14.30`	`Shirik`	`Though this is not the controller I was talking about earlier`
`22:14.35`	`Polarina`	`Shirik: 24 MHz.`
`22:14.35`	`Shirik`	`that controller is the Motorola 68HCS12`
`22:14.38`	`Shirik`	`much more capable`
`22:14.44`	`art3mis`	`iriel: don't think of it as buying a NEW one, think of it as a paid upgrade ;)`
`22:14.44`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: Far faster than it needs to be`
`22:14.48`	`End`	`Shirik: I've heard of atmega :P`
`22:14.50`	`Shirik`	`Actually I think we have it running at 16MHz`
`22:15.07`	`End`	`more to the point, I've written a fair amount of code for those little chips :)`
`22:15.09`	`Polarina`	`Shirik: o.O`
`22:15.25`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: A microcontroller is not for PCs :) It should not be doing a lot`
`22:15.26`	`Polarina`	`I want to write some code for chips..`
`22:15.33`	`Shirik`	`This chip takes some bytecodes, responds to the command`
`22:15.49`	`Shirik`	`it can send PWM pulses for motors, read infrared sensors, or read a digital compass`
`22:16.08`	`Shirik`	`the chip can either controll a single digital compass only or up to 4 motors and sensors all at the same time`
`22:16.16`	`Shirik`	`The digital compass sadly has to be on its own due to timing`
`22:16.22`	`art3mis`	`iriel: isnt there also that HP driver hack driver?`
`22:16.36`	`End`	`most of what I've done with them is to drive handheld instrumentation`
`22:16.51`	`End`	`you know, little display, some sensors, a keypad, etc`
`22:16.58`	`Shirik`	`End: It's a nice system, pretty simplistic but it gets the job done`
`22:17.01`	`End`	`yes`
`22:17.03`	`Polarina`	`Shirik: Like a digital watch?`
`22:17.05`	`Shirik`	`and so far it's been very... resilient`
`22:17.10`	`Iriel`	`Oh, i'm in trouble now, they have the printer I wanted in stock in my local best buy`
`22:17.25`	`Shirik`	`I've sent it 16V and all that burned out was the PCV`
`22:17.27`	`Shirik`	`PCB*`
`22:17.30`	`Shirik`	`the chip still works fine`
`22:17.34`	`art3mis`	`laugh`
`22:17.36`	`Polarina`	`PCV?`
`22:17.45`	`Shirik`	`PCB* printed circuit board`
`22:17.46`	`End`	`he meant PCB...printed circuit board`
`22:17.54`	`Polarina`	`That is?`
`22:18.09`	`Shirik`	`you've surely touched them before, you may just not know what it is`
`22:18.17`	`End`	`it's usually green`
`22:18.28`	`End`	`and has circuits and stuff :P`
`22:18.39`	`Shirik`	`like a motherboard`
`22:18.41`	`Shirik`	`that's a huge PCB`
`22:18.44`	`End`	`http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Pluto/w-asp-pcb.jpg`
`22:18.46`	`Shirik`	`it's got traces on it and holds components`
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`22:18.55`	`End`	`(google ftw)`
`22:18.55`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: what printer?`
`22:19.16`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, btw. When you're hooking up multiple power sources`
`22:19.33`	`Shirik`	`Be sure that if you're trying to get them all at the same reference voltage, you hook up all the grounds together, not a ground to a positive terminal, etc.`
`22:19.43`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: Canon PIXMA Photo Printer Pro9000`
`22:19.43`	`End`	`heh`
`22:19.49`	`cladhaire`	`nice :P`
`22:19.52`	`art3mis`	`iriel: here's the story.. you had it installed and printing and it somehow picked up more than 1 paperand the printhead got stuck and burned out the motor ;P`
`22:19.53`	`Shirik`	`otherwise you might get 7V + 5V + 4V >.>`
`22:20.28`	`Shirik`	`Hey the electrical engineers should have caught it! It's their job not mine >.>`
`22:20.36`	`Shirik`	`Though I'm supposed to know circuitry too...`
`22:20.45`	`Shirik`	`I just wasn't paying attention`
`22:21.20`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: Basically`
`22:21.27`	`Shirik`	`It's a piece of plastic with copper on it`
`22:21.40`	`Shirik`	`You put chips, resistors, caps, whatever other components you need, right on to it, solder it on`
`22:21.57`	`Shirik`	`you suddenly have a good, solid circuit`
`22:22.09`	`Shirik`	`your computer is probably a bunch of PCBs put together`
`22:22.25`	`End`	`it's a lot neater to deal with then having little wires everywhere, since the wires are basically in the board :P`
`22:22.31`	`Shirik`	`a PCI card is nothing more than a PCB with some leads at the end`
`22:22.56`	`foxlit`	`There's no way to analytically solve something along the lines of`
`22:23.01`	`foxlit`	`a + 10^a = 10?`
`22:23.10`	`Shirik`	`hmmm`
`22:23.14`	`Shirik`	`give me a sec there probably is`
`22:23.33`	`Shirik`	`yeah, logarithms`
`22:24.02`	`Shirik`	`log(a) + log(10^a) = log(10), log(a) + alog(10) = log(10)`
`22:24.17`	`Shirik`	`log(10) is 1 isn't it?`
`22:24.21`	`Cide`	`yes`
`22:24.22`	`foxlit`	`yes`
`22:24.26`	`Cide`	`however, didn't you get it wrong?`
`22:24.32`	`Shirik`	`why's that?`
`22:24.38`	`Cide`	`log of both sides`
`22:24.46`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`22:24.59`	`Cide`	`log(a + 10^a)`
`22:25.06`	`Shirik`	`log(a) = 1 - a`
`22:25.19`	`Shirik`	`yeah isn't log(a+10^a) == log(a) + log(10^a) ?`
`22:25.29`	`foxlit`	`No`
`22:25.31`	`Cide`	`no, log(a) + log(b) == log(ab)`
`22:25.32`	`Shirik`	`It's been a while since I've done logarithmic math`
`22:25.35`	`Shirik`	`bleh`
`22:25.44`	`Shirik`	`well that's not fun`
`22:26.53`	`Shirik`	`>>> math.log(10), math.log(-10)`
`22:26.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 2.302585092994, -1.#IND`
`22:27.01`	`Shirik`	`boo, they use ln`
`22:27.09`	`Cide`	`not like it matters :P`
`22:27.12`	`Cide`	`plus, there's math.log10`
`22:27.13`	`End`	`>>> math.log10(10)`
`22:27.13`	`Cide`	`End: 1`
`22:27.17`	`Shirik`	`>>> math.log10(10), math.log10(-10)`
`22:27.17`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1, -1.#IND`
`22:27.22`	`Shirik`	`that's what I was afraid of`
`22:27.29`	`Shirik`	`I just ended up with log(-10) though >.>`
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`22:28.38`	`Shirik`	`log((10-a)^(1/a)) = 1`
`22:28.43`	`Shirik`	`is that possible to solve? ><`
`22:29.00`	`Shirik`	`log((10-a) ^ (1/a)) = log(10)`
`22:29.04`	`End`	`that was foxlit's question :P`
`22:29.08`	`Shirik`	`(10-a) ^ (1/a) = 10`
`22:29.11`	`Shirik`	`damn it`
`22:29.13`	`Shirik`	`it's teh same thing`
`22:29.23`	`Shirik`	`well at least I know I did my math correctly`
`22:29.53`	`Iriel`	`It shouldn't be tricky to solve numerically`
`22:30.23`	`Shirik`	`log(10-a) = a`
`22:30.26`	`Shirik`	`that looks pretty simple though`
`22:30.31`	`Shirik`	`there's got to be a way to solve that...`
`22:31.07`	`Shirik`	`100 - 10^a = a`
`22:31.18`	`Shirik`	`it looks so easy =(`
`22:32.14`	`Shirik`	`this is what I did, maybe it can help you somewhere >< http://wowi.pastey.net/79760`
`22:32.29`	`Shirik`	`assumed based 10 logs`
`22:32.55`	`mikma`	`http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=424080`
`22:33.09`	`foxlit`	`Anyway, that wasn't the question that anyone asked; mainly confirming that there isn't a way to do it analytically`
`22:33.16`	`foxlit`	`(The original question, if anyone cares, was`
`22:33.22`	`foxlit`	`a + log10 a = 10`
`22:33.28`	`foxlit`	`b + 10^b = 10`
`22:33.30`	`foxlit`	`a + b = ?`
`22:34.06`	`foxlit`	`Answer is simple and not interesting, whether there is a decent way of proving that that is the only answer, however, is)`
`22:35.32`	`Iriel`	`a = 0.9563, but i'm not sure what (if any) clean expression forms that`
`22:35.43`	`Shirik`	`Iriel cheated`
`22:35.54`	`Iriel`	`It has to only have one root`
`22:36.02`	`Shirik`	`I think my TI-89 could solve that if I actually had it with me`
`22:36.05`	`foxlit`	`That's even trivial to prove :)`
`22:36.20`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: any graphing calculator could :P`
`22:36.31`	`Shirik`	`well I wasn't thinking of using the graphing functionalities`
`22:36.35`	`Shirik`	`but that's another way yes`
`22:36.48`	`foxlit`	`solver on ti83 would also be able to do it rather easily`
`22:36.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`89 has a solve function`
`22:37.01`	`Iriel`	`x + 10^x consists of two components both of which only increase`
`22:37.10`	`Iriel`	`so it can only cross the axis once`
`22:37.34`	`foxlit`	`Agreed; that's relatively simple to prove`
`22:38.16`	`Iriel`	`Ah, it's more interesting with the b version`
`22:39.29`	`Shirik`	`This sounds like a job for`
`22:39.34`	`Kalroth`	`Mathman!`
`22:39.35`	`Shirik`	`IVT man!`
`22:39.39`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, close`
`22:39.41`	`Shirik`	`no, IVT man`
`22:39.56`	`Shirik`	`inside joke in my calc class in high school ><`
`22:40.04`	`Kalroth`	`I was about to ask what IVT is :P`
`22:40.11`	`Shirik`	`intermediate value theorem`
`22:40.14`	`foxlit`	`Translating the problem to base e and feeding it to an analytic solver yields`
`22:40.18`	`foxlit`	`-LambertW(exp(exp(1)))+exp(1)`
`22:40.19`	`Kalroth`	`"Gurgthock yells: $N has defeated the hero of the Warmaul, Mogor! All hail $N!"`
`22:40.22`	`Shirik`	`~wiki intermediate value theorem`
`22:41.19`	`Shirik`	`then there must be some value x where f(x) == N`
`22:41.28`	`Shirik`	`(to finish that excerpt, iirc)`
`22:41.46`	`Shirik`	`ah close enough`
`22:42.00`	`Shirik`	`then there is at least 1 c ∈ [a,b] such that f(c) = N.`
`22:42.10`	`Shirik`	`is wiki's explanation`
`22:42.38`	`Shirik`	`I've found it most useful for proving there is a root`
`22:43.02`	`Shirik`	`if you can find a positive value and a negative value, and prove it is continuous between those values, then there must be a root between those x's`
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`22:46.02`	`Cide`	`nice.`
`22:46.03`	`Cide`	`/ I'm really sorry about this :(`
`22:46.04`	`Cide`	`#define protected public`
`22:46.07`	`Cide`	`//*`
`22:46.13`	`Shirik`	`ROFL`
`22:46.17`	`wereHamster`	`mozilla source code?`
`22:46.22`	`Cide`	`no idea`
`22:46.30`	`wereHamster`	`'coz they did it IIRC`
`22:46.34`	`Shirik`	`that's awesome`
`22:46.46`	`foxlit`	`The comment <3`
`22:47.09`	`Shirik`	`comment out a comment? o.o`
`22:47.17`	`Shirik`	`the //* ?`
`22:47.31`	`End`	`he was fixing the first comment I think`
`22:47.31`	`Cide`	`I pasted and irc turned the double-slash into a single slash`
`22:47.39`	`End`	`above the #define`
`22:47.43`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`22:47.46`	`Shirik`	`ah I figured that`
`22:47.48`	`Shirik`	`but the second one`
`22:47.51`	`Shirik`	`it goes //*`
`22:47.52`	`Cide`	`//* was more cleartext than s/\//\/\//`
`22:47.56`	`End`	`that's..what he's talking about :P`
`22:48.12`	`Shirik`	`ohhh`
`22:48.14`	`Shirik`	`you wrote that`
`22:48.15`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`22:48.18`	`End`	`lol`
`22:48.19`	`Cide`	`it's not my code`
`22:48.22`	`Shirik`	`thought it was part of the code`
`22:48.28`	`Cide`	`oh`
`22:48.28`	`Cide`	`no`
`22:48.30`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik fails at IRC`
`22:48.31`	`Cide`	`the first two lines only`
`22:48.37`	`Shirik`	`Hey, no timestamps ftl`
`22:48.52`	`Shirik`	`you try being on IRC in a hotel that immediately disconnects you if you use anything other than standard HTTP ports`
`22:48.55`	`End`	`I only have minute timestamps, so it wouldn't help me either :P`
`22:49.05`	`End`	`(I suspect I could configure my irc client otherwise, but meh)`
`22:50.05`	`End`	`I saw that CTCP VERSION!`
`22:50.11`	`Shirik`	`no you didn't`
`22:56.34`	`Cide`	`"prepBut nI vrbLike adjHungarian! qWhat's artThe adjBig nProblem?"`
`22:56.47`	`Shirik`	`omg`
`22:56.52`	`Shirik`	`why can I read that =(`
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`22:57.00`	`Cide`	`good question`
`22:57.05`	`Corrodias`	`because he just appended a few letters to the front of each word?`
`22:57.17`	`End`	`more than just a few letters`
`22:57.21`	`End`	`the part of speech :P`
`22:57.25`	`Shirik`	`but like, I knew he was using hungarian notation before I even got to that word....`
`22:57.46`	`Shirik`	`I think I've been using mirosoft APIs way too much`
`22:58.33`	`End`	`with the newer stuff, they don't seem to be using it anymore`
`22:58.58`	`Shirik`	`what's "newer stuff" because I use the C APIs`
`22:59.01`	`End`	`(although, their newer stuff is .NET though)`
`22:59.08`	`Shirik`	`and I have yet to come across a single one that isn'... yeah that's what I thought`
`22:59.12`	`Shirik`	`I stay away from .NET`
`22:59.18`	`End`	`I tried to for a while`
`22:59.37`	`Polarina`	`dotGNU`
`22:59.45`	`Shirik`	`.NET is managed memory isn't it?`
`23:00.02`	`Shirik`	`or does the C version not do so?`
`23:00.04`	`Corrodias`	`i believe it has a manual memory management mode also, or that's what i've been told, if you prefer to use that`
`23:00.13`	`End`	`I think Corrodias is correct`
`23:00.22`	`Shirik`	`manual memory management mode`
`23:00.24`	`Shirik`	`MMMM`
`23:00.28`	`Corrodias`	`mmmmmmmmmm`
`23:00.32`	`Shirik`	`awesome.`
`23:00.44`	`Shirik`	`that would be a great compiler option /mmmm`
`23:00.47`	`End`	`lol`
`23:01.30`	`Corrodias`	`manual memory management mode module magnifies my mother's magnificent marmalade`
`23:01.30`	`Cide`	`I'd use it just for the nice sound it makes when you say it out loud`
`23:02.06`	`Shirik`	`luac foo.lua --mmmm`
`23:03.21`	`zenzelezz`	`I have a variable called "pppp" in my addon :-\|`
`23:03.56`	`zenzelezz`	`pixels per power point (didn't want to use mana/rage/energy)`
`23:04.00`	`Shirik`	`omfg`
`23:04.02`	`Shirik`	`<3 you cladhaire`
`23:04.12`	`cladhaire`	`for why now?\`
`23:04.15`	`Shirik`	`just read your most recent post on the mailing list`
`23:04.23`	`Shirik`	`that's how I feel right now too, I just didn't have the balls to come out and say it`
`23:04.31`	`Shirik`	`oh wait, not your most recent`
`23:04.32`	`Polarina`	`zenzelezz: You forgot focus.`
`23:04.34`	`Shirik`	`but one of your most recent`
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`23:04.46`	`zenzelezz`	`Polarina: yes, I did`
`23:04.48`	`End`	`that's why it's called pppp :P`
`23:04.49`	`Shirik`	`The continued bickering between yourself and other members of this`
`23:04.49`	`Shirik`	`listserv need to be taken off the list. The conversation stopped`
`23:04.49`	`Shirik`	`being constructive about a week ago and has no continued value (in my`
`23:04.49`	`Shirik`	`humble opinion).`
`23:04.53`	`Shirik`	`oops, sorry`
`23:04.56`	`Shirik`	`stupid cgiirc. ...`
`23:05.03`	`End`	`Shirik is fail`
`23:05.17`	`cladhaire`	`i have a habit of vocalizing the things that people won't actually say`
`23:05.19`	`cladhaire`	`it gets me into trouble.`
`23:05.21`	`cladhaire`	`but its worth it imo`
`23:05.23`	`cladhaire`	`_sometimes_ :P`
`23:05.25`	`cladhaire`	`but that thread has just been ridiculous`
`23:05.43`	`Polarina`	`vocalising?`
`23:05.48`	`End`	`I'm curious, bickering about what?`
`23:05.52`	`Corrodias`	`aren't mailing lists, like, 50's technology?`
`23:06.01`	`cladhaire`	`no, they're still very relevant`
`23:06.08`	`dylanm`	`Yeah they're still pretty boss.`
`23:06.15`	`End`	`I like mailing lists better than forums actually`
`23:06.27`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`23:06.34`	`Polarina`	`newsgroups?`
`23:06.39`	`End`	`mostly because I'm not very good at keeping track with what I've read :P`
`23:06.41`	`Shirik`	`not newsgroup, mailing list`
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`23:06.49`	`Polarina`	`Difference?`
`23:06.52`	`End`	`newsgroup would work too I suppose`
`23:06.55`	`Corrodias`	`i can't imagine opening my email to see 500 new mails from busy threads`
`23:06.57`	`dylanm`	`Languages like python, ruby, etc use mailing lists as the primary mode of discussion.`
`23:07.02`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: filters`
`23:07.09`	`Shirik`	`mailing lists are quite literally email`
`23:07.13`	`Shirik`	`to tons and tons of people`
`23:07.17`	`Shirik`	`newsgroups are not`
`23:07.35`	`Corrodias`	`but why use mailing lists rather than a forum? is it just about resources?`
`23:08.02`	`End`	`come to think of it, I open my email and see 500 new emails quite often :P`
`23:08.03`	`cladhaire`	`its about decentralized versus centralized`
`23:08.05`	`End`	`of course, it's all spam :P`
`23:08.06`	`cladhaire`	`among other things`
`23:08.16`	`Corrodias`	`what other things, is what i'm asking`
`23:08.18`	`End`	`(and no, it's not in my inbox)`
`23:08.25`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: Decentralised and Centralised? Difference?`
`23:08.33`	`cladhaire`	`use a dictionary?`
`23:08.41`	`Polarina`	`~dict centralised`
`23:08.57`	`Polarina`	`~dict decentralised`
`23:09.01`	`Corrodias`	`i am naturally a rather disorganized person, so centralization is very handy for me`
`23:09.01`	`Shirik`	`it's kinda nice being able to use my PDA to look at the mailing list without trying to work around some incredibly horrible "portable" version of a forum`
`23:09.12`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: ... that's not what i'm talking about`
`23:09.17`	`cladhaire`	`a forum requires webspace`
`23:09.24`	`cladhaire`	`a mailing list is decentralized`
`23:09.25`	`mikma`	`interspace`
`23:09.31`	`Shirik`	`a mailing list requires an email account`
`23:09.32`	`cladhaire`	`as long as a mail server works.. it arrives to the people its sent to`
`23:09.33`	`Shirik`	`that's it`
`23:09.36`	`End`	`a mailing list just forwards mail`
`23:09.39`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`23:09.42`	`End`	`(well, probably archives them too)`
`23:09.47`	`End`	`(but that's not a requirement)`
`23:10.12`	`Corrodias`	`so it is only about resources? along with PDA's being able to handle it better`
`23:10.40`	`End`	`it's generally easier to take things off list too`
`23:10.52`	`cladhaire`	`no, it has nothing to do with resources`
`23:10.55`	`End`	`although, forum software often has private messaging of some sort`
`23:10.58`	`cladhaire`	`it has to do with access`
`23:11.11`	`Shirik`	`imho mailing lists are more personal too`
`23:11.15`	`Shirik`	`but that's a personal opinion`
`23:11.16`	`Corrodias`	`access? howso?`
`23:11.26`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: you need an internet connection to read a forum, full stop.`
`23:11.31`	`cladhaire`	`you have to go to a website`
`23:11.36`	`cladhaire`	`probably have a login and password`
`23:11.48`	`cladhaire`	`you have to visit in order to know there's something new`
`23:11.53`	`cladhaire`	`(unless you consider rss+forums)`
`23:11.58`	`cladhaire`	`a mailing list, you just get an email`
`23:12.00`	`Corrodias`	`while you can read mailing list messages after downloading them`
`23:12.04`	`Corrodias`	`offline`
`23:12.06`	`foxlit`	`or mail notifications`
`23:12.17`	`cladhaire`	`which you're already using (ostensibly)`
`23:12.21`	`Corrodias`	`i think i get it`
`23:12.32`	`cladhaire`	`its hard to describe, but its nothing to do with the required resources`
`23:12.39`	`cladhaire`	`although that can factor into some decision, I'm sure.`
`23:12.48`	`Shirik`	`I'm also getting sick of the "roadmap" questions -_-`
`23:13.08`	`Corrodias`	`roadmap?`
`23:13.29`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: its been ridiculous since the first "request"`
`23:13.33`	`Corrodias`	`oh, i see, never mind`
`23:13.41`	`Shirik`	`roadmap = where we're headed`
`23:13.48`	`Shirik`	`what needs to be done before next release, etc.`
`23:14.15`	`End`	`I think Corrodias was confused about which roadmap :P`
`23:14.32`	`End`	`not that I know either, but I know you are refering to your mailing list still`
`23:14.40`	`zenzelezz`	`roadmaps are why you reach milestones`
`23:15.32`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, they're talking about a specific discussion`
`23:15.41`	`Corrodias`	`has nothing to do with what i was wondering about`
`23:15.52`	`cladhaire`	`yeah sorry`
`23:16.05`	`Shirik`	`join the lua mailing list :P Don't feel left out anymore`
`23:16.13`	`zenzelezz`	`this is IRC, you're not supposed to have a real conversation for more than 10 minutes at a time`
`23:16.27`	`Shirik`	`oh I'm sorry`
`23:16.41`	`End`	`ah, that mailing list :P`
`23:16.51`	`Corrodias`	`i don't like getting email`
`23:17.03`	`Shirik`	`then don't join the mailing list`
`23:17.14`	`Shirik`	`ever since I joined it I now have things like`
`23:17.21`	`Shirik`	`New mail: 1065`
`23:17.29`	`Shirik`	`I should purge those messages I didn't feel like reading :P`
`23:17.35`	`Corrodias`	`oh dear`
`23:17.38`	`cladhaire`	`the Lua listserv isn't that bad`
`23:17.43`	`cladhaire`	`and gmail's labels and muting fix it easily`
`23:17.53`	`Shirik`	`yeah well I used to have a great method of or ganization`
`23:18.00`	`Shirik`	`but then my school stopped the IMAP service`
`23:18.06`	`Shirik`	`and now it's just flooding my inbox`
`23:18.09`	`Shirik`	`and I'm too lazy to do something about it`
`23:18.22`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`23:18.22`	`Iriel`	`Messages you dont want to get from your hosting provider: [NOC #XXX-932000]: hard drive is failing`
`23:18.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`then it's your own damn fault`
`23:18.30`	`End`	`Iriel: haha`
`23:18.34`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: Awesome`
`23:18.48`	`Iriel`	`it's awesome that they noticed, not awesome that my drive failed`
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`23:18.57`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: I never said that it wasn't :)`
`23:19.15`	`cladhaire`	`I quite enjoy the Lua listserv`
`23:19.19`	`cladhaire`	`I learn a lot`
`23:19.22`	`cladhaire`	`contribute a little`
`23:19.40`	`cladhaire`	`and enjoy the conversations, mostly`
`23:19.55`	`Shirik`	`I can't contribute because of the other thing that happened when they turned off IMAP`
`23:19.57`	`cladhaire`	`i loved the "This is how it works for all of North America, DUH" messages`
`23:20.14`	`Shirik`	`I joined the mailing list with Matthew.Delbuono@erau.edu, which is an alternate address for delbu9c1@erau.edu`
`23:20.31`	`Shirik`	`But I can only send mail now from delbu9c1@erau.edu, even though they're both the same box`
`23:20.39`	`Shirik`	`so the list rejects my mail`
`23:20.56`	`Corrodias`	`can you perhaps rejoin it with that address instead?`
`23:21.00`	`cladhaire`	`yes he can`
`23:21.03`	`Shirik`	`I can but again I'm lazy`
`23:21.17`	`Corrodias`	`heh`
`23:21.23`	`Corrodias`	`i can identify with that`
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`23:29.41`	`Shirik`	`hi Lopeppeppy!`
`23:30.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Evening, Shirik!`
`23:30.50`	`Shirik`	`it's not evening yet, you just joined`
`23:31.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, I'll say it again in 8 hours then. But it's dark here, at least.`
`23:31.18`	`Shirik`	`~ugt`
`23:31.19`	`purl`	`from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`23:31.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, yeah.... I'll read that after 3 more drinks, it will make total sense.`
`23:31.57`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
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`23:32.41`	`Corrodias`	`enhtooltip generates a huge amount of cpu usage when i'm mousing over an item in my email`
`23:32.45`	`Corrodias`	`maybe i ought to update my auctioneer pack`
`23:33.09`	`End`	`an item in your email? o_O`
`23:33.15`	`End`	`or just your WoW mail`
`23:33.18`	`Corrodias`	`wow mail, sorry`
`23:33.22`	`Corrodias`	`wmail`
`23:34.04`	`Shirik`	`Corrodias: enhtooltip used to do this to me when I'm hovering over anything`
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`23:38.59`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Paradox (n=Paradox@cpc2-brmb4-0-0-cust295.bagu.cable.ntl.com)`
`23:39.42`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tinyboom (n=u@113.84-49-90.nextgentel.com)`
`23:46.23`	`mikma`	`wowmail as wail :D`
`23:46.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What about mail that fails to wow me?`
`23:47.41`	`mikma`	`that's lolmail, lail`
`23:47.41`	`mikma`	`or, flawedmail, fail`
`23:47.56`	`End`	`seamail is sail?`
`23:48.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think I like "fail" better... it just covers so many more possibilities, you know?`
`23:48.14`	`mikma`	`indeed it does`
`23:48.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I need a jock friend to watch football with, it's boring to set up everything for just myself.`
`23:48.22`	`mikma`	`"oh damn, i have lots of fail today"`
`23:48.43`	`Corrodias`	`i need a decent weapon for my hunter, but all of the methods for getting decent weapons suck`
`23:49.31`	`mikma`	`well do it like noobs do, scam the materials :D`
`23:49.35`	`zenzelezz`	`AH don't suck`
`23:49.44`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: Your husband?`
`23:49.46`	`End`	`it can`
`23:49.51`	`Corrodias`	`nono, arena, pvp for honor, or run heroic steamvault forever`
`23:49.58`	`Corrodias`	`or thrallmar rep`
`23:50.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik.... nothin' doing. Even if he liked football, things are a bit frosty Chez Peppy.`
`23:51.08`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds like you should give him up and find some freak on the web instead`
`23:51.09`	`Shirik`	`no offense to females but there aren't many "jock friend" females for you to find ><`
`23:51.19`	`Shirik`	`and for males, I think most of them would rather watch football with other males`
`23:51.24`	`Shirik`	`as sexist as that sounds`
`23:51.45`	`zenzelezz`	`why? As long as they know the sport`
`23:52.01`	`Shirik`	`I dunno, I don't watch football myself`
`23:52.07`	`Shirik`	`this is just how I view society today`
`23:52.16`	`End`	`I think it's because it's a "guy thing" that only they can understand`
`23:52.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'd sit with anyone silly enough to shout at the TV with me... it's weird to be a female sports fan, it truly is.`
`23:53.12`	`Shirik`	`Somebody bought me these bean bags to throw at the TV when I used to be like that`
`23:53.16`	`Shirik`	`but sadly I'm not like that anymore`
`23:53.18`	`zenzelezz`	`I take it you mean "female (sports fan)", not "(female sports) fan"`
`23:53.22`	`End`	`(and of course, when I say only they can understand, I mean they think only they can understand)`
`23:53.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very true, End.`
`23:54.06`	`End`	`of course, I don't understand :P`
`23:54.30`	`End`	`(But that's okay, I think)`
`23:55.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I could be both versions, zenzelezz.... I really only watch a lot of football, but I would be willing to branch out with the right sports fan to show me some stats and rules.`
`23:55.26`	`Shirik`	`baseball = win`
`23:55.34`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't really watch female sports... but sometimes you'll find me watching females in certain sports`
`23:55.46`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: let me guess... wrestling?`
`23:55.52`	`Shirik`	`like real wrestling not WWE crap`
`23:55.55`	`Corrodias`	`they don't seem to have fixed the gas clouds from spawning high in the air`
`23:55.55`	`End`	`mud wrestling?`
`23:55.56`	`zenzelezz`	`nope. Tennis, volleyball mostly`
`23:56.05`	`Shirik`	`oh so skirts and swimsuits ok`
`23:56.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I kept score and played baseball in high school, I can follow along. But there's less of tackle-and-grind-their-face-in-the-dirt in baseball.`
`23:56.21`	`zenzelezz`	`let's just say there's some good angles in those sports`
`23:56.32`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: I don't find the purpose of "tackle-and-grind-their-face-in-the-dirt" :P`
`23:56.46`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: Go get DoA beach volleyball :P`
`23:56.47`	`art3mis`	`rugby and real football == great fun to watch`
`23:56.59`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: thanks, but I know how to get real porn`
`23:57.03`	`Shirik`	`"real football" being the one with the oblong ball that you carry, right?`
`23:57.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`DOA Beach Volleyball is fun!`
`23:57.10`	`art3mis`	`no thats rugby`
`23:57.17`	`art3mis`	`real football == euro soccer`
`23:57.23`	`Shirik`	`no`
`23:57.33`	`Shirik`	`euro soccer == theatre`
`23:57.47`	`Shirik`	`"Ow he tripped me my leg is destroyed owowow give him red card nowz!"`
`23:57.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The Patriots website sucks, they should totally fire their web content providers. Player stat/bio pages shouldn't end with them on injured reserve in 2005 if they're on tonight's lineup.`
`23:57.57`	`art3mis`	`the english welagues are actually lots of fun to watch`
`23:58.03`	`art3mis`	`leagues`
`23:58.11`	`art3mis`	`specially when its raining ;P`
`23:58.18`	`zenzelezz`	`I agree with Shirik about the players who do that, but in general I'm all for European football`
`23:58.27`	`art3mis`	`1 word`
`23:58.30`	`art3mis`	`Maradonna ;P`
`23:58.39`	`zenzelezz`	`he's Argentinia, he doesn't count`
`23:58.49`	`art3mis`	`he's the best of the dive though`
`23:58.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Maradonna, is he Madonna's brother?`
`23:58.58`	`zenzelezz`	`Italians are notorious for trying to fake injuries in any tackle`
`23:59.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or does he live in a dungeon in Desolace?`

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