| 00:00.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i were being a dickbag at least i'd be a profitable dickbag, i'd sell the account |
| 00:00.17 | foxlit | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/28/wow-moviewatch-drugs-my-anti-world-of-warcraft/ |
| 00:00.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | foxlit, i'm not talking people, per se |
| 00:00.27 | foxlit | And? |
| 00:00.41 | Kaso | Who deletes chars anyway? i thought they just strip em and leave em |
| 00:00.55 | foxlit | You're implying that software can't solve captcha problems? You'd be very misguided. |
| 00:01.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, some captcha is solvable via software, but by no means all of it or the majority of moronic script kiddies |
| 00:01.49 | foxlit | What are moronic script kiddies doing with your account credentials? |
| 00:02.25 | Kaso | Kelfarr, that advert seems pretty effective to me. |
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| 00:03.19 | JoshBorke | Cide: lol, CT_MailMod- last updated 1year 12 months ago |
| 00:03.25 | JoshBorke | so, 2 years ago? |
| 00:03.34 | foxlit | 1 11, probably |
| 00:03.51 | foxlit | Or something like 1 y 11.8 m |
| 00:04.12 | JoshBorke | there's also the issue that it was updated more recently than that :-) |
| 00:05.28 | Wobin | rofl |
| 00:05.28 | Wobin | Rotate the entire iPod in a clockwise motion for seven full rotations. Be careful not to tip it to the side or the gyroscope may not detect the motion, and you’ll have to start from step 1 all over again. |
| 00:05.38 | Cide | JoshBorke: strange |
| 00:05.47 | Wobin | "Meanwhile, chant the following: "Double double, toil and trouble..." |
| 00:06.40 | Kaso | its not even a gyroscope, its an accelerometer! (yes i realise that's the least of the things i can point out as flaws) |
| 00:06.51 | JoshBorke | cide: just thought i'd let you know (also showing you i checked your website and updated ;-P) |
| 00:07.23 | foxlit | the website's general article style is great |
| 00:07.46 | foxlit | "Still, sales of OS X should still come out ahead of sales of Microsoft’s Vista operating system for October, due to the waning popularity of the game “Baka Frisu” (”Expensive Frisbee”) after unconfirmed reports that a player in Osaka caught a deadly virus after being hit by a Windows DVD." |
| 00:07.46 | Kaso | well more accurately it's at least two accelerometers |
| 00:08.01 | Duman | hmm, the new ct_mailmod's "mail log" only tracks stuff if you open the mails via their "open selected" thing |
| 00:08.02 | Duman | ahh well |
| 00:09.04 | cog|work | Instead of "ahh well" you could ask Cide to change it |
| 00:09.06 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:09.14 | Cide | maybe... |
| 00:09.28 | Cide | it's more difficult to identify stuff without it |
| 00:10.01 | Cide | besides, why not use it? :P |
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| 00:11.10 | Lunessa | Heh, WoW 2.3 likes to lock up this machine something harsh. |
| 00:13.14 | Wobin | ... |
| 00:13.23 | Wobin | "reports that a player in Osaka caught a deadly virus after being hit by a Windows DVD" |
| 00:13.27 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 00:13.39 | Cide | 'twas a linux user |
| 00:13.44 | Wobin | Windows are shipping STDs with their DVDs now? |
| 00:13.51 | darkylow | LOL |
| 00:13.53 | Duman | you're right, it's harder to track w/o using your button... hmm |
| 00:14.03 | Duman | are mail events (removing from the mailbox) hook-able? |
| 00:14.12 | darkylow | wheres the link for that? |
| 00:14.13 | Wobin | I want guildbank api =( |
| 00:14.14 | Duman | (and what about sending) |
| 00:15.00 | Cide | Duman: yes |
| 00:15.12 | Duman | so just hook all of those? :) |
| 00:15.12 | Cide | I'm not saying it's impossible :P |
| 00:15.14 | Duman | hehe |
| 00:15.25 | Duman | I really have been wanting a good mail log |
| 00:15.27 | Cide | but if the mod initiates an action to retrieve all items, it's easy to just log them all |
| 00:15.34 | Duman | oh, fair enough |
| 00:15.38 | Cide | well, try it out :) |
| 00:15.41 | Cide | it's pretty good! |
| 00:15.48 | Duman | it is, I installed it earlier |
| 00:15.56 | Duman | but I have the hbit of opening a mail manually still |
| 00:16.04 | Cide | well, don't! :P |
| 00:16.07 | Cide | mailmod is faster :) |
| 00:16.18 | Cide | but I'll see what I can do; your request is sensible |
| 00:16.56 | Duman | (and it doesn't cover the sending mail part ;) ) |
| 00:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | Cide, does CT_MailMod support altclick in the latest version? the one i got yesterday wouldn't let me altclick to attach items |
| 00:17.45 | Duman | I'm not a Lua-whiz, but I'm a coder by nature (and like hacking on code), so I might take a stab at it, myself |
| 00:17.53 | Duman | rabies I had the same issue/question |
| 00:18.29 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: um, the default ui does that juts fine - right-click |
| 00:18.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | does it? |
| 00:18.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice |
| 00:18.38 | Cide | yes, no alt |
| 00:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't know that :P |
| 00:18.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll definitely do |
| 00:18.49 | Duman | yeah, right click works... I just am still in teh habit of alt-clicking ;) |
| 00:18.55 | Cide | me too |
| 00:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, where's the taintlog again? |
| 00:19.01 | Duman | but better for me to break the habit |
| 00:19.02 | Cide | CT_MailMod's mass mailing will still use that |
| 00:19.06 | Duman | ahh |
| 00:19.12 | Cide | when it's done |
| 00:19.32 | Cide | (at which point the mail log will show outgoing mail too) |
| 00:19.43 | Duman | :) |
| 00:19.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | will it send multiple pieces of mail again? |
| 00:19.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i.e. up to 12 items per mail, but basically the same as before? |
| 00:20.00 | Duman | ? |
| 00:20.25 | Duman | isn't it still 12 mails, tho? I mean, the funciton call might batch it... I dunno |
| 00:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 00:20.36 | Duman | (ie, on the receiving side, you get 12 mails) |
| 00:20.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can attach 12 items to one mail |
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| 00:20.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | afaik |
| 00:20.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 00:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it could send individual ones, i suppose |
| 00:20.58 | Cide | you get 1 mail with up to 12 items |
| 00:21.13 | Cide | our version will allow you to attach any number of items |
| 00:21.14 | Duman | I'm pretty sure (1) you get charged the same as sending 12 different mails, and (2) it shows up for the receipient as 12 mails :) |
| 00:21.18 | Duman | really |
| 00:21.21 | Duman | cool |
| 00:21.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:21.36 | Cide | (and split it into several mails of 12 per) |
| 00:21.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | between the mail changes and guild banks |
| 00:21.39 | Duman | I guess I ahven't openeed any batch mails yet |
| 00:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna be so much richer |
| 00:21.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 00:21.45 | Duman | haha |
| 00:21.49 | Cide | you still get charged for 12 items (12 * 30c) |
| 00:21.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | because even with ct_mailmod i lost a lot of mail to time |
| 00:21.57 | Cide | but it's only one mail |
| 00:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | chucking it back and forth between characters every 30 days |
| 00:22.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | tends to get annoyign |
| 00:22.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'll just mail it to one of my 3 alts in a bank guild |
| 00:28.36 | Cide | so |
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| 00:28.56 | Cide | if you could get a mod that makes the guild bank better, what would it do? |
| 00:29.22 | Wobin | Cide: Do you have the guildbank api? |
| 00:29.35 | Cide | nope. |
| 00:29.39 | Wobin | bah =( |
| 00:29.43 | Wobin | wtb |
| 00:30.00 | Duman | I just am waiting for tuller to add it to bagnon_forever ;) |
| 00:30.12 | seebs | Is the wow interface twiki updated yet for the new mail stuff? |
| 00:30.20 | Wobin | I wonder if it's just an extension of the normal inventory bag system |
| 00:30.57 | Cide | I hope not |
| 00:30.59 | Cide | that stuff sucks |
| 00:31.36 | Wobin | oh win |
| 00:31.44 | Wobin | mortal strike and aimed shot stack additively =P |
| 00:31.51 | Cide | you are kidding? |
| 00:31.56 | Wobin | -100% healing =P |
| 00:32.02 | Cide | so no healing? :P |
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| 00:33.11 | seebs | Hey, UI feature question. |
| 00:33.13 | Duman | <04:31PM Wobin> mortal strike and aimed shot stack additively =P |
| 00:33.15 | Duman | WHAT |
| 00:33.33 | Cide | Wobin: source? :P |
| 00:33.37 | Wobin | Hehe, Mr Antiarc =) |
| 00:33.39 | seebs | If you were gonna have slash commands take option flags, similar to Unix options, how much would you want --long-options? |
| 00:33.46 | Kelfarr | my hunter friend just bought khorium rifle for 350g |
| 00:33.51 | Kelfarr | regularly sells for 2000g |
| 00:33.55 | Antiarc | I saw it on EJ, which is fairly reputable. |
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| 00:36.44 | KarlThePagan | i have to share this |
| 00:36.44 | KarlThePagan | http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b293/doogless/WoWScrnShot_111407_030800.jpg |
| 00:37.04 | KarlThePagan | p.s. already been wowbashed |
| 00:37.40 | seebs | That's charming. |
| 00:40.43 | Rayne | OH EM GEE KELFARR YOU ARE SO MEAN TO PEOPLE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS DUBAYEW TEE EFF |
| 00:41.13 | |Jelly| | OH EM GEE! WE NEED LINKZ! |
| 00:43.28 | Duman | bwahha |
| 00:43.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Hey, Rayne . . . |
| 00:43.42 | ZealotOnAStick | random question. |
| 00:43.45 | sysrage | holy crap. log for guild bank is WAAAY too short. whoever decided on that should be shot |
| 00:43.49 | ZealotOnAStick | You didn't happen to play Earth & Beyond, did you? |
| 00:44.26 | Rayne | briefly |
| 00:44.38 | Rayne | why? |
| 00:45.51 | seebs | Man, I've been away from this too long. |
| 00:46.05 | seebs | What's the idiomatic way to express "if a is a table..." (assume a is a local variable). |
| 00:46.39 | Rayne | WHOEVER STARTED THIS SHADOWFANG SHIT SHOULD DIE |
| 00:47.44 | MentalPower | sysrage: how long is it? |
| 00:47.52 | sysrage | 25 |
| 00:48.31 | MentalPower | ouch, *very* short |
| 00:48.42 | MentalPower | should create a suggestions thread for that |
| 00:50.35 | seebs | Oh, doh. |
| 00:50.58 | |Jelly| | Shadowfang shit? |
| 00:51.07 | cladhaire | seebs: if type(a) == "table" then -- do something here end |
| 00:51.12 | seebs | Aya. |
| 00:51.19 | cladhaire | sorry took so long, didn't see the question |
| 00:51.21 | seebs | I even knew that, but I hadn't used it in AnnoyRP so I didn't spot it. |
| 00:51.47 | cladhaire | hehe np :P |
| 00:51.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Rayne: I was Utena in E&B. |
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| 00:56.12 | Rayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.13 | Rayne | lol |
| 00:56.16 | Rayne | that was so long ago |
| 00:58.04 | Adys | hey, anyone knows what's the game's hex # for the orange/green/yellow colors in the tradeskill frame? |
| 01:04.51 | seebs | Not off the top of my head. Aren't they the same as the level range colors? |
| 01:05.34 | KarlThePagan | Rayne - shadowfang? |
| 01:05.37 | KarlThePagan | wts 500g |
| 01:05.49 | Wobin | I'll buy it for 2c |
| 01:05.58 | KarlThePagan | it's really really bad on kiljaeden |
| 01:07.04 | KarlThePagan | and... I'm not certain that KJ can claim we started it... but last week someone was spamming WTS shadowfang 500g for so long people started cracking at him... |
| 01:07.07 | Mike-N-Go | Has the drop rate of motes increased, or am I having a lucky day? |
| 01:07.12 | KarlThePagan | now we have a S H A D O W F A N G guild... |
| 01:10.34 | Corrodias | interface action blocked by addon... oh well |
| 01:10.42 | Corrodias | i seem to have suffered no lack of functionality |
| 01:11.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:12.51 | Corrodias | none that i have noticed, anyway |
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| 01:14.26 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 01:15.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | char aznable style :p |
| 01:16.17 | dreamss | if u fail to enter an istance cause its in heroic mode, and then turn around u get DC |
| 01:16.21 | dreamss | cool bug -_- |
| 01:16.56 | Bejitt | omg MSG reference |
| 01:17.19 | Bejitt | i'll grypps your face off >.> |
| 01:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a HUGE gundam fanatic |
| 01:18.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | however i can point out newtypes and char clones within 5 minutes of the character appearing at this point |
| 01:19.26 | Bejitt | hah |
| 01:26.06 | Rayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856014126&sid=1 too funny, it sucks having to try now |
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| 01:40.46 | Cairenn | appppppppprovededededed |
| 01:41.08 | |Jelly| | Thank you dear! <3 |
| 01:41.17 | Cairenn | you're welcome!!!!!! |
| 01:41.33 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 01:41.35 | sag_ich_nicht | bad curse |
| 01:41.38 | sag_ich_nicht | stop being down |
| 01:42.13 | |Jelly| | WoWI isn't down. /wink |
| 01:42.27 | |Jelly| | ...that was kind of a shameless /hug to Cairenn. |
| 01:43.02 | |Jelly| | :D |
| 01:43.25 | sag_ich_nicht | |Jelly| that's great, except the addon i |
| 01:43.32 | sag_ich_nicht | 'm looking for isn't hosted on WoWI |
| 01:43.52 | |Jelly| | So like I said... |
| 01:43.58 | |Jelly| | [19:41]<|Jelly|>...that was kind of a shameless /hug to Cairenn. |
| 01:44.23 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 01:44.28 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 01:45.04 | Cairenn | all this tongue and none of it useful |
| 01:45.06 | Cairenn | errrrrrr |
| 01:45.18 | sag_ich_nicht | woho another 2 errors killed |
| 01:45.21 | |Jelly| | Oh man. |
| 01:45.34 | JoshBorke | whoa man |
| 01:45.40 | Cairenn | woman |
| 01:46.47 | clad|sleep | k |
| 01:46.56 | Cairenn | l |
| 01:47.08 | clad|sleep | m |
| 01:47.16 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|sleep what is the difference between r171 and 172 of lightheaded exactly? :P |
| 01:47.18 | Cairenn | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:47.32 | clad|sleep | umm |
| 01:47.40 | the-golem | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? |
| 01:47.47 | clad|sleep | the data addons had their .toc bumped. |
| 01:49.29 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it curse |
| 01:49.34 | sag_ich_nicht | stop being down :( |
| 01:50.53 | clad|sleep | hehe dont use curse |
| 01:51.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm not. the author of the addon i want is. |
| 01:51.09 | clad|sleep | or quit yer bitching *cackle* |
| 01:52.41 | sag_ich_nicht | 6 second crusader strike makes me happy |
| 01:52.46 | sag_ich_nicht | 8D |
| 01:53.12 | sag_ich_nicht | (seeing the selfproclaimed best retribution paladin on the server falling under the hitcap and him not knowing, too. fucking shitnoob) |
| 01:54.14 | Kelfarr | i got owned by a ret pally yesterday |
| 01:54.24 | Kelfarr | in my AB he was 20kb 5 deaths over 200,000 damage |
| 01:55.21 | sag_ich_nicht | kek |
| 01:56.23 | seebs | Woot. Getopt nearly working. |
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| 01:58.27 | Rayne | :| |
| 01:59.02 | Kelfarr | =/ |
| 01:59.06 | Rayne | =\ |
| 01:59.12 | Kelfarr | =| |
| 01:59.17 | Rayne | =O |
| 01:59.50 | Wobin | Everybody dance! |
| 02:00.05 | Wobin | purl needs a dance macro =P |
| 02:00.11 | Wobin | ~dance |
| 02:00.12 | purl | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 02:00.14 | Kelfarr | o-/-< |
| 02:00.21 | Wobin | win =) |
| 02:00.24 | Thunder_Child | thankfuly purl does not |
| 02:00.31 | |Jelly| | Is your anus about to bleed, Wobin? |
| 02:00.40 | Thunder_Child | ~anus |
| 02:00.41 | purl | I still have yet to figure out where the vaseline on my anus comes from... |
| 02:00.46 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 02:00.49 | Wobin | ... |
| 02:01.10 | Thunder_Child | ~ass |
| 02:01.10 | purl | hmm... ass is titties,ass and titties. ass and titties. oh yes. |
| 02:01.10 | Wobin | Welcome to the non sequiter of the day |
| 02:01.14 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSb-nV8l2QY |
| 02:01.24 | Thunder_Child | ~asshole |
| 02:01.25 | purl | I don't have one of those, i'm a bot. |
| 02:01.34 | Thunder_Child | wow purl is ful of surprises |
| 02:01.44 | Thunder_Child | today |
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| 02:02.05 | Wraanger | heyaz all |
| 02:02.10 | |Jelly| | hai |
| 02:03.02 | Wraanger | what will be better for "to-be 17-0-44" mage .. Aldor or Scryer ? ... |
| 02:03.25 | sag_ich_nicht | are druids in forms considered dual wield or 2H weapon? |
| 02:03.29 | Thunder_Child | fail! |
| 02:03.30 | sag_ich_nicht | (i.e. where is their hitcap) |
| 02:04.12 | bleeter | Wraanger: slowfall works well from either side, so i dun think it matters |
| 02:04.55 | Wobin | |Jelly|: okay, that wins for non sequiter |
| 02:05.10 | Wraanger | =) |
| 02:06.30 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 02:10.16 | kd3 | uh-oh |
| 02:10.17 | kd3 | "There seems to have been a slight problem with the database." |
| 02:10.19 | kd3 | dolby-wowi ^ |
| 02:10.44 | JoshBorke | uh oh |
| 02:10.48 | Wobin | That has to be one of the best examples of fourth wall animation ever |
| 02:13.29 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 02:20.48 | darkylow | is there a mod that can tell you if you have every available pattern for yuor trade? |
| 02:21.57 | seebs | There's a couple, but I think some are busted. Especially after the patch. |
| 02:21.58 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 02:22.11 | seebs | Man. |
| 02:22.35 | seebs | So, I've got a $DAYJOB with strict code review practices. And we mostly solicit reviewers in IRC. And I just about asked if anyone here wanted to review my code before I checked it in. |
| 02:23.36 | seebs | I still have some testing to do, but I think I've written a usable option-parsing library. |
| 02:24.12 | seebs | I'm getting useful stuff like "option 'c' requires a numeric value, which 'foo' is not." |
| 02:25.58 | bleeter | kd3: how's yer net? |
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| 02:26.58 | Wobin | seebs: Soliciting code reviews in IRC is 'strict'? |
| 02:26.59 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 02:27.18 | seebs | No, it's just that absolutely NOTHING goes in without review. |
| 02:27.27 | Tolerant | Hi, anyone willing to take a quick look at "Krom TargetIcons" and get it save state on open/closed between sessions? |
| 02:27.27 | seebs | Which sounds really intrusive until the third or fourth time it saves you. |
| 02:28.18 | Tolerant | Its a very small addon (code wise) and puts a small moveable box with icons to select for targets, however it always pops open when u relog :( |
| 02:29.15 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:29.17 | Wobin | vent3 |
| 02:29.22 | Wobin | I wonder how well it'll work in linux |
| 02:30.25 | Tolerant | I wouldnt ask but its been 8 months since any updates.. anyone interested? |
| 02:31.48 | Nechckn | Tolerant you can also try posting at wowinterface there is a location for requesting updates or continued work |
| 02:32.49 | Tolerant | Thats a good idea also Nechckn, thanks |
| 02:33.34 | Tolerant | Its such a tiny addon, tempted to figure it out myself but havnt a clue where to start without examples |
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| 02:36.39 | Tolerant | Nechckn, one problem.. I cannot find a "register" button at wowinterface :( |
| 02:36.42 | seebs | Anyone wanna have a look at my getopt clone and tell me what I forgot to provide? |
| 02:37.20 | Tolerant | LF Someone to fix Krom TargetIcons - Needs to remember open/closed between sessions, msg me |
| 02:38.07 | |Jelly| | Spamming this channel about it isn't the best way to get it done either. :\ |
| 02:38.16 | Tolerant | Found register.. |
| 02:38.25 | Tolerant | Jelly, asking every few mins is not spamming.. |
| 02:39.01 | |Jelly| | Alright. Keep it up and we'll see if the admins feel the same way. *shrug* |
| 02:39.06 | seebs | Well, it sorta is in a slow channel like this. |
| 02:39.08 | seebs | Wait for some turnover. |
| 02:39.29 | Cairenn | when there hasn't been anyone new join the channel since you last asked and there has been basically no conversation - yeah, it's spamming |
| 02:39.48 | Tolerant | Someone has joined the channel since I last asked, thank you muchly |
| 02:40.12 | Cairenn | oh, please just don't go there, I have had way too little sleep to put up with sass atm |
| 02:40.18 | Tolerant | The spam your creating by telling me not to spam is more spammy then one my one line request |
| 02:40.37 | |Jelly| | You realize you're arguing with the admin I was referring to, right? |
| 02:40.49 | Tolerant | Maybe you should get some sleep Cairenn cause I am only asking for some help after being directed here as the place to ask for it |
| 02:41.17 | Thunder_Child | this is not going to end well |
| 02:41.35 | seebs | Tolerant, I think the problem is that the way you're asking for help doesn't fit the culture very well. |
| 02:41.43 | |Jelly| | It's going to end in lulz for me. At least it'll give me something to glance at every now and then when I'm tired of looking at align and being OCD. lol |
| 02:41.44 | Tolerant | Look guys, I am not being rude, I am not swearing and I was not spamming. I was very polite infact. |
| 02:41.56 | seebs | We're all sorta busy people by nature, and we have projects of our own, and seeing repeated requests for the exact same thing doesn't necessarily make us happy. |
| 02:42.06 | Thunder_Child | doesnt really matter, her channel, her rules |
| 02:42.08 | Cairenn | actually, it's going to end fine on my end, because I know myself well enough to know not to do anything when I'm this tired |
| 02:42.14 | seebs | Just accept that, for reasons of its own, this channel has a low tolerance for repetition. |
| 02:42.39 | Tolerant | I was simply making a short one line request that I could page upto to repeat later, until I got told not to spam and this all started. Forgive me. |
| 02:42.58 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: So either way, it ends in lulz for me: he gets booted = lulz; him getting berated further for spam/talking back/etc = lulz. I'm in a win-win. <3 |
| 02:43.00 | Cairenn | Tolerant: all we are asking is that you give it a while first - you were actually on the right track when you said "I'd be tempted to fix it myself" - chances are that if you ask people to teach you how to do that ... |
| 02:43.35 | Tolerant | Cairenn: I am looking at the code now and trying to find an addon with something useful in it, so ahead of you there but thank you for the suggestion. |
| 02:44.43 | seebs | How big is this addon, anyway? |
| 02:45.25 | Tolerant | .lua is 4k and .xml is 7k |
| 02:45.28 | art3mis | http://onwarden.blogspot.com/2007/11/storm-is-brewing.html |
| 02:45.34 | Tolerant | that and some .tga's are all there is to it |
| 02:47.43 | kd3|still`lagged | wow at being an hour behind in chat |
| 02:47.53 | Tolerant | *Comfort Kd3* |
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| 02:52.22 | kd3|still`lagged | [21:51:22] <bleeter> kd3: how's yer net? |
| 02:52.48 | kd3|still`lagged | boned |
| 02:53.18 | bleeter | u lub it |
| 02:53.41 | Lunessa | boned! |
| 02:55.03 | Lunessa | http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/darthsanddroids/episodes/0001.html |
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| 02:58.07 | Tolerant | Sooo.. anyone feel like teaching me how to fix/update a very tiny addon? *chuckle* |
| 02:58.30 | cogwheel | HAI |
| 02:58.35 | seebs | Not especially. No offense intended, it's just that it's a pretty big thing. |
| 02:58.40 | |Jelly| | HAI COGWEEL! /hug |
| 02:58.41 | seebs | Do you program in any languages? |
| 02:58.56 | cogwheel | ZOOM ZOOM HUGMOBEEL |
| 02:58.59 | Tolerant | I have done some scripting, but I wouldnt call myself a coder |
| 02:59.40 | seebs | Well, at least you have something. I honestly would say your best bet would be to do a couple of simple addons yourself, just minimal stuff. Budget two or three evenings to get to the point where you can understand the problem. :) |
| 02:59.58 | Tolerant | I dont think "MudMaster / MudMaster2000" counts as an official language |
| 03:00.27 | Lunessa | baked cheetos are most non-triumphant. |
| 03:00.39 | seebs | It's mostly a question of whether you've learned to think about conditions and watch how code would run. |
| 03:02.41 | seebs | I'm just messing around with infrastructure right now. :) |
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| 03:05.23 | bleeter | kd3|still`lagged: so.. huh.. I guess you've not fetched wine recently or played |
| 03:06.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone just had a mazzlegasm in sw |
| 03:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 03:06.24 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 03:06.33 | |Jelly| | Was it intense? |
| 03:07.52 | darkylow | whats a mazzlegasm? |
| 03:08.10 | |Jelly| | Someone using MazzleUI without reading the config. lol |
| 03:09.20 | |Jelly| | Unless you specifically tell it not you, when you finish config, it /y I JUST HAD AN INTENSE MAZZLEGASM! |
| 03:09.29 | Tolerant | Looks like I need to add a variable into the If statement for minamize/maxamize, any hints on syntex? |
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| 03:11.31 | MentalPower | ~lua |
| 03:11.32 | purl | lua is, like, a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. |
| 03:11.36 | MentalPower | Tolerant: ^^^^ |
| 03:11.39 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 03:11.39 | MentalPower | ~pil |
| 03:11.40 | purl | it has been said that pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 03:12.04 | seebs | WOOT! |
| 03:12.08 | seebs | I have achieved success. |
| 03:13.01 | cogwheel | <completelyunrelatedtoanything>when you're as eclectic as me, shuffling in itunes is very ...... odd... </completelyunrelatedtoanything> |
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| 03:13.42 | cogwheel | Korn->Phantom of the opera->Guns 'n Roses->Beethoven->Richard Cheese |
| 03:14.01 | cogwheel | jeff foxworthy :O |
| 03:14.48 | Thunder_Child | you put standup in your music? |
| 03:15.21 | cogwheel | eh... i don't bother to sort... |
| 03:15.41 | cogwheel | we backed up all our CDs and we had some really random stuff |
| 03:15.46 | bleeter | hah @ the horde pally in the 4 vs 3 arena team |
| 03:15.54 | bleeter | even healed his ally team members |
| 03:15.58 | cogwheel | it was a good idea too... we got in a car accident and smashed a few of them :( |
| 03:16.00 | bleeter | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8093/lolwtfye7.jpg |
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| 03:18.45 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, there is a HUGE difference |
| 03:19.08 | cogwheel | difference between what? |
| 03:19.16 | Thunder_Child | talking and singing |
| 03:19.50 | cogwheel | well yeah... i just open up itunes and double click on something random if i don't want to listen to something /shrug |
| 03:20.07 | cogwheel | sorting just isn't important enough to me |
| 03:20.54 | cogwheel | (as in separating them out into music and talking) |
| 03:21.10 | darkylow | is there a way to see the level needed to open a lock box besides justy guessing? |
| 03:21.21 | darkylow | nm |
| 03:21.24 | Tolerant | Ok I guess I am smart or something, I got it to load minamized which is good enough. Thanks |
| 03:21.25 | darkylow | they implemented that |
| 03:22.00 | cogwheel | O.O Hanson |
| 03:22.05 | Corrodias | wtf, tab target max distance has been nerfed! |
| 03:22.16 | seebs | Nice going, T! |
| 03:22.44 | cogwheel | Corrodias: <insert obligatory notice that such was announced some time ago> |
| 03:23.31 | Corrodias | i don't see it in my buffer |
| 03:23.36 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, wasnt it always 30ft? |
| 03:23.39 | Corrodias | and i have been watching the patch notes |
| 03:23.40 | cogwheel | as in "weeks" |
| 03:23.42 | cogwheel | ... |
| 03:23.44 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:24.00 | Corrodias | did i just miss it in the patch notes? |
| 03:24.26 | cogwheel | may not have been in the patch notes... it could've been in iriel's sticky |
| 03:24.33 | Corrodias | no, no i didn't. somebody happened to mention it in here, once, a few weeks ago? |
| 03:24.43 | cogwheel | they don't get nitty gritty with ui details in the normal patch notes |
| 03:24.57 | Tolerant | seebs: Thanks, I had to add one line into the function for when the window loads: KromTargetIcons:Hide(); -- pretty ez |
| 03:24.58 | Corrodias | damn it |
| 03:24.59 | cogwheel | and it took manually editing config.wtf to do what they didn't want you to |
| 03:25.18 | Corrodias | nah, just a quick /script SetCVar call |
| 03:25.28 | Corrodias | i did it occasionally to fine-tune my target distance |
| 03:28.43 | Thunder_Child | looks like i posted it... |
| 03:29.16 | Thunder_Child | though i dont remeber it saying 50 yards |
| 03:29.40 | Corrodias | well, it seems to be stuck at "41" now and i can't change it. :( now it's crap |
| 03:30.05 | Tolerant | At least they made hunters 5-41 for shooting.. cheers |
| 03:30.07 | Thunder_Child | "The maximum tab targeting range is limited to 50 in 2.3." |
| 03:30.12 | Corrodias | "The value of the TargetNearestDistance setting is validated at load time." |
| 03:30.30 | Corrodias | maybe that means i have to modify config.wtf and set it to 50 instead of doing it in-game |
| 03:30.30 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518908235&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 03:31.04 | Corrodias | ah |
| 03:31.17 | seebs | I have uploaded GetOpt. Everyone can be happy now. :) |
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| 03:31.57 | Corrodias | i liked mine at 80. EMOSIGH. |
| 03:32.23 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht, i think your quit quote needs an 's' at the end |
| 03:35.10 | Tolerant | Cyas, have fun |
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| 03:38.54 | Thunder_Child | hmm.."Morpher" as a druids name |
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| 03:40.52 | Lunessa | WoW 2.3 no longer loves my iMac. |
| 03:41.10 | Thunder_Child | is there something that will tell you your in range on arbitrary spells? e.g. i always seem to cast cone of cold just outside of range |
| 03:41.19 | cogwheel | you're |
| 03:41.50 | Thunder_Child | to much effort |
| 03:42.52 | Rayne | wtb the ability to ignore people on the forums PST |
| 03:43.22 | |Jelly| | Who? |
| 03:43.33 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...you can..cant you? |
| 03:43.37 | Thunder_Child | isnt there an ignore button |
| 03:44.07 | |Jelly| | Yeah but it's flawed. |
| 03:44.30 | Rayne | Jelly: who else |
| 03:44.40 | cogwheel | shrig? |
| 03:44.42 | |Jelly| | Shrig? |
| 03:44.44 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:45.08 | Thunder_Child | there is a mental image |
| 03:46.32 | Rayne | did you cover your mouth when you giggled? |
| 03:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tend to cackle like a madman when i laugh |
| 03:48.31 | cogwheel | same |
| 03:48.43 | cogwheel | especially on roller coasters |
| 03:48.48 | the-golem | cogwheel: lmao .. i coulda sworn that said "jiggles" |
| 03:49.07 | the-golem | i had to read it like 4 times to convince myself it was a G |
| 03:49.10 | cogwheel | *.* |
| 03:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is just in general |
| 03:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | or especially when i get really worked up at laughing |
| 03:49.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it goes into higurashi mode |
| 03:50.15 | cogwheel | oh i do to, but I get a special look in my eye on roller coasters |
| 03:50.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the beginning of this? |
| 03:50.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=uzVju2u8mxg [nws because of violence that's mostly offscreen] |
| 03:51.23 | cogwheel | the look yes... my laughing would blow that out of the water though... even not on a roller coaster |
| 03:52.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | the look and laughing in higurashi is awesome |
| 03:52.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | you see a character being all funny and laugh comedy anime style one episode |
| 03:52.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the next she's cackling like a psychopath with a dripping hatchet in hand |
| 03:54.23 | Thunder_Child | sounds hot |
| 03:55.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=c1R6jK52tS0&feature=related |
| 03:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | crazy D: |
| 03:55.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | the deadpan voice she speaks in makes it ten times creepier |
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| 03:57.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and yes none of that makes any sense whatsoever |
| 03:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | out of context |
| 03:58.08 | Wobin | sigh |
| 03:58.21 | Wobin | Getting a usb headset to work in conjunction with a normal soundcard is painful |
| 03:58.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for me D: |
| 03:58.48 | Wobin | in linux |
| 03:58.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh |
| 03:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | linux + sound = no |
| 03:59.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | even after all this time, it's still really sketchy on the sound front |
| 03:59.31 | Thunder_Child | i dont get what blizz is thinking sometimes....it's a lvl 35 quest but i have to go through lvl 37 mobs to get there |
| 04:03.55 | seebs | Which quest. |
| 04:09.31 | Thunder_Child | Jarl needs eyes |
| 04:09.41 | Wobin | worst quest ever |
| 04:10.07 | seebs | Oh, new quests. |
| 04:10.18 | sag_ich_nicht | woho for hardware sound in WoW btw. |
| 04:10.57 | Kelfar | hey guys rate my UI lololol http://users.tpg.com.au/houlahan//WoWScrnShot_111507_103553.jpg |
| 04:11.13 | Thunder_Child | no...the worst quests are in stv....where you have to run from top to bottom...thought with the new FP i guess thats not much of an issue now |
| 04:11.48 | mikma | Kelfar: 15.6 |
| 04:12.30 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.22 | Kelfar | out of 100 |
| 04:14.23 | Kelfar | ? |
| 04:14.33 | |Jelly| | 1000 |
| 04:14.53 | Kelfar | nice ty man i am liek new to mods and stuffs |
| 04:15.24 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, be nice |
| 04:15.36 | |Jelly| | Ok. 999 |
| 04:15.40 | Thunder_Child | much better |
| 04:15.47 | Kelfar | thunder lol |
| 04:15.56 | Kelfar | do you actually think thats my ui |
| 04:16.01 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:16.05 | Kelfar | good |
| 04:16.10 | Kelfar | I would /wrists if it was |
| 04:16.18 | Thunder_Child | most people dont lololol their own UI |
| 04:16.41 | Thunder_Child | though it is valid for art3mis |
| 04:16.44 | Kelfar | yeah |
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| 04:17.22 | Kelfar | some guy posted a topic asking how to make fubar display their buffs |
| 04:17.24 | |Jelly| | I should upload the UI that I have after deleting my WTF folder and tell people to rate it. |
| 04:17.36 | Kelfar | I think they are confused about what fubar is |
| 04:17.49 | Thunder_Child | or they want fubar to display their buffs...can be done |
| 04:18.09 | |Jelly| | Odds are, they don't want FuBar to do their buffs though. |
| 04:18.36 | Thunder_Child | it would be fairly easy by routing through elks fubar plugin |
| 04:20.28 | Thunder_Child | still, i suppose you're (for you cogwheel) right |
| 04:20.54 | cogwheel | ~golfclap |
| 04:21.36 | Thunder_Child | wow...firfox crashed wow |
| 04:21.48 | Thunder_Child | firefox* |
| 04:22.21 | Kelfar | wow lol I got 230 hits on my UI just today |
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| 04:22.58 | |Jelly| | 144 on my addon in the past 2 hours. :P |
| 04:23.29 | Thunder_Child | cheaters....day after patch day |
| 04:23.41 | MentalPower | Windows question, what the hell does the "System Volume Information" folder have and why does it take up 10G on my system? |
| 04:24.11 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, what windows> |
| 04:24.13 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 04:24.28 | Thunder_Child | which windows OS to be exact |
| 04:24.29 | MentalPower | vista and XP, but mainly vista |
| 04:24.48 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i dunno, mine is empty |
| 04:24.57 | MentalPower | no, its not |
| 04:25.00 | MentalPower | check the permissions |
| 04:25.26 | MentalPower | give yourself full access |
| 04:25.41 | Thunder_Child | ok, did |
| 04:25.58 | Thunder_Child | 12.6 kb |
| 04:26.05 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 04:26.17 | Thunder_Child | 3gb so far |
| 04:26.40 | Thunder_Child | ya, 3gb total |
| 04:28.22 | |Jelly| | http://i13.tinypic.com/6kz3y2b.jpg rate my UI! |
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| 04:30.39 | Kelfar | horrible |
| 04:30.58 | Thunder_Child | indeed, that UI is fail |
| 04:31.02 | Kelfar | is that what its suppose to look like when its done or what |
| 04:31.09 | |Jelly| | can u plix tel me wot 2 du to make it better? |
| 04:31.16 | Kelfar | lol |
| 04:31.20 | Thunder_Child | wipe C:\ |
| 04:31.23 | Kelfar | like lock the buff bars lololol |
| 04:33.50 | |Jelly| | den wut? |
| 04:36.10 | Thunder_Child | after wiping C:\? nothing, the rest of us are safe |
| 04:37.18 | Kelfar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.23 | Kelfar | someone just asked that |
| 04:38.10 | cogwheel | -_- |
| 04:38.38 | seebs | ... |
| 04:38.46 | seebs | Why, yes. Micronaps! |
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| 04:39.12 | seebs | If you sleep through each cooldown, it's as though it's not there! |
| 04:39.25 | Wobin | Microslips =( |
| 04:39.29 | Thunder_Child | tell them "Temporal Buttons" |
| 04:39.31 | Wobin | Cause more road accidents |
| 04:39.36 | Wobin | than a whole lot of stuff |
| 04:40.11 | Wobin | So stop, revive, survive |
| 04:40.24 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 04:40.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i used to take 8 second naps between pushing judgement |
| 04:40.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there a way to check for weapon buffs before casting a spell in a macro or is that out too :[ |
| 04:40.48 | Thunder_Child | we need to make a spoof UI "killing mobs before you encounter them" all the HP meters read 0 etc. |
| 04:40.56 | sag_ich_nicht | now crusader strike is 6 seconds |
| 04:40.57 | sag_ich_nicht | pew pew |
| 04:40.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know you can't check regular buffs |
| 04:41.06 | seebs | Hee. |
| 04:41.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | but weapon buffs are different, so thought i'd ask :O |
| 04:41.25 | Wobin | not afaik |
| 04:41.31 | Wobin | it takes scanning the tooltip |
| 04:41.33 | Wobin | and is horrible |
| 04:42.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm trying to make a fishing macro |
| 04:42.26 | seebs | I never found a way to make a good fishing macro, but I was able to bind a key to right-click, which let me use a key to tap the bobber. |
| 04:43.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | /equip [noequipped:Fishing Pole] Seth's Graphite Fishing Pole | /cast [button:2][target=MainHandSlot]Bright Baubles;Fishing |
| 04:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | is what i have |
| 04:43.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i think the second line is bad syntax |
| 04:43.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i usually do this stuff via trial and error |
| 04:48.13 | Shirik | christ |
| 04:48.32 | Shirik | Once again, flagship industries manages to piss me off |
| 04:49.00 | Shirik | How you can manage to make such a similar application incompatible in both directions is completely beyond me |
| 04:49.46 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: can we change the thread from the front page about the API to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518907090&sid=1 ? |
| 04:49.53 | Wobin | the link to the thread, that is |
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| 04:52.11 | Rayne | have any of you guys done ZA Yet? |
| 04:54.33 | Corrodias | nope, we're trying it out on sunday, i think |
| 04:54.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | "all are cooks 1 fisher but he 300 have not fished in awhile" |
| 04:54.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the fuck does that MEAN |
| 04:55.12 | Corrodias | they're all cooks, but they only have one player who fishes, he's only at 300, and he hasn't fished in a while |
| 04:55.25 | Corrodias | thus i conclude they're not doing Lurker any time soon |
| 04:55.43 | Thunder_Child | woo, good deals http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/dealzmodo/office-depot-black-friday-ad-cheap-hdds-computers-and-other-goodies-322972.php |
| 04:55.47 | Wobin | or they take their time doing so =P |
| 05:03.37 | Corrodias | wow, we ripped curator, aran, illhoof, etc apart today. just annihilated them. |
| 05:04.18 | Wobin | was there candy inside? |
| 05:04.29 | Corrodias | eh, a bit. nothing for me, as usual. |
| 05:05.05 | Corrodias | t4 gloves were more not-druid ones |
| 05:05.21 | Gngsk | 14 hit vs 6 expertise, what's worth more as a non-hit capped rogue? |
| 05:05.44 | Gngsk | well, 14 hit rating vs 6 expertise |
| 05:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> they're all cooks, but they only have one player who fishes, he's only at 300, and he hasn't fished in a while |
| 05:06.15 | Gngsk | oh man, wrong chan. sorry. |
| 05:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i think maybe he means his alts |
| 05:06.26 | Corrodias | let's see |
| 05:06.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone asked for an explanation and he spouted even more gibberish |
| 05:06.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think he may be from the future |
| 05:07.14 | Corrodias | 0.25% less dodge and parry per point of expertise, so that's 1.5% "to hit" there |
| 05:07.42 | Corrodias | assuming you mean expertise and not expertise rating |
| 05:08.06 | Wobin | bah, that's so confusing |
| 05:08.23 | Wobin | why can't we just have one 'rating' |
| 05:08.35 | Corrodias | what you find on weapons is expertise rating. what it increases is your expertise. |
| 05:08.49 | Wobin | So why not say "Increases your expertise by X" |
| 05:08.58 | Corrodias | they scale down by level |
| 05:09.17 | Corrodias | that is, 20 expertise rating at level 20 does a hell of a lot more for you than it does at level 70 |
| 05:10.19 | Corrodias | it's 7.8 expertise rating (at level 70) per half percent of -dodge and -parry (for a total of -1% enemy avoidance) |
| 05:10.49 | Corrodias | according to wowwiki, "So the current expertise-cap against boss-mobs is at 88 points of expertise rating." |
| 05:13.04 | Gngsk | Corrodias, I meant expertise looking at the char panel |
| 05:13.05 | Corrodias | and also 142 hit rating to never miss (physical, single-wield or special attacks) |
| 05:13.35 | Gngsk | basically I'm trying to decide which belt I should use on boss mobs, belt of one-hundred deaths or belt of deep shadow, both have two +10 hit gems for sockets |
| 05:13.42 | Corrodias | okay, 6 expertise (not rating) should be worth- 1.5% of dodging/parrying. if you attack from behind, it's only -0.75% because they can't parry anyway. |
| 05:13.54 | Corrodias | wait, that's not right |
| 05:13.56 | Gngsk | yeah, from behind as a rogue |
| 05:14.48 | Corrodias | it's worth -1.5% to dodge and -1.5% to parry |
| 05:14.53 | Corrodias | my mistake, i had it halved |
| 05:15.07 | Corrodias | 14 hit rating is... |
| 05:16.47 | Corrodias | -0.89% to miss |
| 05:17.07 | Gngsk | cool, guess the expertise is still better |
| 05:17.22 | Corrodias | extremely valuable stat, it is |
| 05:18.42 | Corrodias | now wait just a minute, this doesn't add up |
| 05:19.14 | Corrodias | (unrelated calculation) aha, i forgot the conversion... |
| 05:20.30 | Corrodias | thus, Earthwarden now gives -1.54% to both dodge and parry. that's tasty. i crave more, but it's not a common stat. |
| 05:20.41 | Gngsk | not even close |
| 05:20.52 | Gngsk | the heroic badge neck is interesting for a feral I guess |
| 05:20.55 | Corrodias | huh? |
| 05:21.27 | Gngsk | 48 sta, 22 hit rating, 21 expertise rating |
| 05:21.42 | Gngsk | I meant not even close as far as it being a common stat. |
| 05:22.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* why cant you sell and create at the same time.... |
| 05:22.49 | Corrodias | what's the name of the item? |
| 05:22.52 | Thunder_Child | s/create/craft/ |
| 05:23.05 | Corrodias | when i make the filter "new in 2.3" and "sold by vendor", no items come up in wowhead |
| 05:24.56 | Corrodias | oh, wowhead apparently doesn't know where the new badge items come from |
| 05:27.27 | Gngsk | yah brooch of deftness |
| 05:27.35 | Gngsk | I was tryin' to figure out what it was itemized for, guess ferals? |
| 05:27.53 | Gngsk | was talking to warrior tanks in my guild they didn't seem to think it was all that great |
| 05:34.15 | seebs | Wow, what an awesomely successful day. |
| 05:34.25 | seebs | I got my two mods updated that I really wanted to update AND I added a new library. |
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| 05:34.48 | seebs | I wish I'd written GetOpt first, it makes the others easier. |
| 05:34.53 | Rayne | 19 people just left my guild... :/ |
| 05:35.03 | |Jelly| | Good riddance. |
| 05:35.24 | seebs | I'm sorta bummed about the guild bank thing. I mean, it's great and all, but... |
| 05:35.25 | Rayne | All t4 geared |
| 05:35.29 | Rayne | everything |
| 05:35.32 | Rayne | just up and left |
| 05:35.36 | seebs | My bank alt had successfully formed a bank-alt guild. |
| 05:35.39 | seebs | Now it's useless. |
| 05:35.48 | seebs | ... Wow, Rayne. That transcends suck as normal people experience it. |
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| 05:46.36 | seebs | Next up, probably tomorrow, figuring out what if anything ToDo needs. |
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| 05:56.41 | Wobin | seebs: why useless? |
| 06:01.54 | MentalPower | anyways, I must sleep now, gnight |
| 06:04.01 | art3mis | maybe they all left BECAUSE of rayne |
| 06:06.28 | Wobin | internet must have dropped off at work =P |
| 06:11.18 | Kelfar | lol if you go to www.curse.com it says website down but if you go to wow.curse.com it works fine |
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| 06:11.22 | greepnak | Hello! |
| 06:11.32 | |Jelly| | hai |
| 06:11.38 | greepnak | I have a LUA issue I need help with and was referred here |
| 06:11.58 | greepnak | I would like to create a delay in my LUA to use the SentChatMessage function with a short delay in between lines |
| 06:12.01 | greepnak | I have no idea how |
| 06:12.14 | greepnak | something like the /in X function provided by Cosmos, but from LUA and not macros |
| 06:12.46 | greepnak | I've been looking for a method forever. |
| 06:13.16 | Thunder_Child | wait? |
| 06:13.50 | greepnak | Explain please |
| 06:15.21 | Thunder_Child | i was kidding, wait is used in scripting...let me see if i can find a real thing |
| 06:15.57 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.18 | |Jelly| | At least that's what Shirik posted to be a jerk to me once. |
| 06:16.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:16.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:16.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:16.39 | Rayne | O_o |
| 06:17.10 | greepnak | My brain is fried to a crisp. Will flood control crush my head if I paste something I wrote that I want to use an addon to send line by line with a pause in between each line to chat? |
| 06:17.21 | |Jelly| | Pasty |
| 06:17.32 | |Jelly| | s/Pasty/Pastey/ |
| 06:17.34 | Thunder_Child | wowi.pastey.net |
| 06:17.58 | greepnak | basically I'm trying to hack up the Necrosis addon to actually send more interesting things when I summon demons or soulstone somebody than the odd things it does. |
| 06:18.39 | greepnak | so I cribbed Enochian stuff into warlocky sounding things |
| 06:18.39 | greepnak | like this |
| 06:18.39 | sag_ich_nicht | necrosis sucks so bad |
| 06:18.39 | sag_ich_nicht | each time i see a warlock use it |
| 06:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | so |
| 06:18.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i go /tar Warlock /guffaw |
| 06:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much of a loser am i |
| 06:18.44 | art3mis | you guffaw them? |
| 06:18.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm watching someone else play Rock Band |
| 06:19.08 | greepnak | OL SONF VORS ORS (I reign over Darkness) |
| 06:19.08 | greepnak | NOBLOH ZIEN CHIS TA MOSPLEH TELOCH (The Palms of My Hands are as the Horns of Death) |
| 06:19.08 | greepnak | OL ODO CICLE (I open the Mysteries) |
| 06:19.08 | greepnak | NOID OHIO CAOSGON (Woe to the Earth) |
| 06:19.08 | greepnak | TORZU AMMA URAN (Arise Cursed Elders) |
| 06:19.09 | greepnak | VPAAH ORS YOLCI NOR-QUASASHI DE VONSARG (With Wings of Darkness Bring the son of man unto your servant) |
| 06:19.11 | greepnak | YOLCI <target> VORS IALPOR ZUMVI MATORB COCASB (Bring Potato Over Flaming Seas of Echoing Time) |
| 06:19.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they got it like two weeks early |
| 06:19.13 | greepnak | SOBA IAOD IPAM OD UL IPAMIS (whose Beginning is not nor End cannot be) |
| 06:19.15 | greepnak | NIIS <target> VNIGLAG VONSARG COMSELH (Come Potato, Descend unto Circle of Power |
| 06:19.17 | greepnak | NORZ CIZ NOBLOH (Six are the Palms) |
| 06:19.19 | greepnak | NIIS <target> VNIGLAG COMO COCASB (Come Potato, Descend through Window of Time) |
| 06:19.21 | greepnak | OL ODO CICLE (I Open The Mysteries) |
| 06:19.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa |
| 06:19.23 | greepnak | ZACAR OD ZAMRAN <Target> |
| 06:19.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's going on |
| 06:19.25 | greepnak | (Arise and Appear, Potato!) |
| 06:19.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm confused |
| 06:19.29 | greepnak | Potato being my operative stand-in for a person's name |
| 06:19.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | spam spam spam |
| 06:19.29 | |Jelly| | ...stop |
| 06:19.41 | greepnak | you said paste T_T |
| 06:19.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://pastey.net learn it use it |
| 06:19.52 | |Jelly| | pastey... |
| 06:19.55 | art3mis | come potato? |
| 06:20.13 | greepnak | Niis in Enoch is come, Niiso is Come Aaway |
| 06:20.13 | art3mis | potato of death? |
| 06:20.21 | greepnak | it could be Come Bob |
| 06:20.33 | art3mis | what about Eileen? |
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| 06:20.44 | art3mis | could it be come on eileen? |
| 06:20.45 | greepnak | But to the matter.. how can I send that line by line using SendChatMessage with a delay in between? |
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| 06:20.52 | seebs | greenpak, uhm. |
| 06:20.53 | greepnak | to avoid critting the chat log with walls of text |
| 06:20.57 | seebs | You want AnnoyRP. |
| 06:21.00 | seebs | :) |
| 06:21.01 | Kelfar | lol http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f152/picvault/UI.jpg |
| 06:21.04 | seebs | Er, greepnak. |
| 06:21.14 | seebs | You set up chatters for Tick N of your summon spells and bob's your uncle. |
| 06:21.23 | greepnak | I'm on an RP server |
| 06:21.37 | seebs | That's actually why I wrote the mod originally -- so I wouldn't have my spell chatters continue if I interrupted a spell. |
| 06:22.00 | art3mis | umm kel, woo? |
| 06:22.11 | greepnak | Will it do what I'm talking about? Have link? |
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| 06:22.17 | seebs | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6447-AnnoyRP.html <-- for precisely this purpose. |
| 06:22.22 | Kelfar | he blanked out the names of people in chat =/ |
| 06:22.25 | seebs | The long answer is, yes, but it will take a while to set up. |
| 06:22.31 | greepnak | if this works I'll name a child after you |
| 06:22.39 | seebs | If you don't have to have each demon be different, you can do it fairly fast. |
| 06:22.52 | seebs | If you want each demon to be different, and to have several chatters per... It adds up. |
| 06:22.53 | art3mis | could we barter the no breeding in exchange instead? |
| 06:22.57 | art3mis | ;) |
| 06:23.17 | greepnak | they are differrent actually :( but just need one chatter per.. its not like you summon a demon all that often.. |
| 06:23.21 | art3mis | someone go make me a theme changer! |
| 06:23.32 | seebs | But the entire point of it is to let you have your character say things in response to events such as "began casting spell", or "succeeded in casting Summon Voidwalker" or "4 seconds into the cast of Summon Succubus". |
| 06:24.00 | seebs | What I did was make several choices for each of several points. So, there were maybe 3 different random things to say 6 seconds into summon-succubus. |
| 06:24.11 | art3mis | seebs is lieing, his all says mecha lecha hi mecha hiney ho for everything he does |
| 06:24.12 | seebs | And three more 6 seconds into summon-felhunter. |
| 06:24.16 | seebs | Heh. |
| 06:24.26 | greepnak | any character limits? Also can you set text colors using color codes? |
| 06:24.38 | seebs | No color codes that I know of. No character limits, except whatever the game imposes. |
| 06:24.44 | seebs | In practice, each individual line should be short. |
| 06:24.58 | seebs | I don't know of any way to send color in text to other people. |
| 06:25.30 | seebs | I also have a weight feature, so I could have it be 99/100 times "With shattered love I bind thee!" and the other time "With high thread-count sheets I bind thee." |
| 06:26.49 | art3mis | I shall start spamming to summon my chinese demon;/say ready? here i go im gonna start;/say wooo boy it sure does take a while;/say that reminds me of a story i heard once;/say see my counsin was on this plane and part way through they were experiencing engine troubles and suddenly the engine stops and they start to plummet;/say so my cousin thinks what the hell and whips it out and starts beating |
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| 06:27.44 | art3mis | ya know what i hate about patch week |
| 06:27.53 | art3mis | no good boredopm url pastes |
| 06:28.13 | Kelfar | jelly what was that script to remove tracking button someone asked on the forums |
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| 06:28.23 | greep | ack |
| 06:28.27 | greep | I'm sorry it kicked me |
| 06:28.33 | greep | Please forgive |
| 06:28.41 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7830-MinimapTrackingButtonHider.html |
| 06:28.59 | Kelfar | ty |
| 06:29.23 | Kelfar | mine has been hidden even after I used that script |
| 06:29.45 | |Jelly| | eh? |
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| 06:30.03 | Kelfar | you gave me that /script to hide it and it is hidden for good |
| 06:30.11 | |Jelly| | good. lol |
| 06:30.11 | art3mis | Mrs. Roberts would have gotten up sooner, of course, but she was busy piping find ~ and find ~nomad into xargs shred, just in case. |
| 06:30.12 | greepnak | Why does the irc keep booting me.. |
| 06:30.21 | art3mis | Stallman to the rescue! |
| 06:30.22 | seebs | wb. |
| 06:30.26 | Kelfar | oh I thought it only hid it for that session |
| 06:30.29 | greepnak | thank you seebs |
| 06:30.37 | seebs | No idea, I assume it just hates you. |
| 06:30.43 | greepnak | seebs I installed it from that link and I get a lot of nil value errors |
| 06:30.47 | |Jelly| | Kelfar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7830-MinimapTrackingButtonHider.html |
| 06:30.49 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 06:30.53 | seebs | Uh-oh, that's not good. |
| 06:30.55 | Kelfar | I know |
| 06:31.03 | seebs | It's been working for me, but I have an existing preference file. |
| 06:31.04 | Kelfar | but mine is already hidden so I don't need it |
| 06:31.29 | |Jelly| | Well, if it comes back between sessions, then it's not "already" hidden, is it? |
| 06:31.39 | greepnak | let me try again |
| 06:31.56 | Kelfar | it doesn't come back |
| 06:32.01 | Kelfar | I thought it would but it doesn't |
| 06:32.13 | greepnak | "attempt to index global "AnnoyRP" ( a nil value) |
| 06:32.32 | art3mis | I once asked an NSA guy whether they'd broken RSA. And I know I can trust him, because I asked if he was lying to me and he said no. |
| 06:32.34 | greepnak | many, many times |
| 06:32.47 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:33.11 | seebs | That's very odd. |
| 06:33.14 | greepnak | in case it's working, how do I open the configurator for this? or should I be seeing it already? |
| 06:33.32 | seebs | '/arp' |
| 06:33.55 | seebs | Hmm. I'll nuke my saved variables and see whether that changes anything. It shouldn't. First line of code is 'AnnoyRP = {}'. |
| 06:34.07 | greepnak | doesnt work. It isnt broken by 2.3 is it? |
| 06:34.18 | seebs | It shouldn't be. I just did some testing and updates about an hour ago. |
| 06:34.22 | art3mis | rp stands for real people |
| 06:34.52 | art3mis | how would i make a macro that yells REGANOMICS! before i cast any spell? |
| 06:35.07 | mikma | or was it retard people :O |
| 06:35.21 | art3mis | you cant annoy retards |
| 06:35.26 | art3mis | its unpossible! |
| 06:35.33 | mikma | ah, very true |
| 06:35.35 | seebs | art3mis: You can do it with annoyrp, but I refuse to tell you how. :p |
| 06:35.38 | greepnak | Such cruelty |
| 06:35.44 | art3mis | laugh seebs |
| 06:36.14 | art3mis | could you imagine being in netherstorm and seeing Blah Yells: REGANOMICS x20 |
| 06:36.20 | art3mis | that would rule |
| 06:36.39 | art3mis | although it would only rule harder if someone ylled back COREY FELDMAN?! |
| 06:36.42 | greepnak | I wait with bated breath for some solution, hope there is one |
| 06:36.58 | greepnak | that's 4chan level humour artemis |
| 06:37.41 | art3mis | no i like to think that 4chan lsot a few games of hammer tag, while i however was always "it" |
| 06:38.03 | seebs | So far, I just can't get it to go wrong. |
| 06:38.17 | greepnak | I wonder.. |
| 06:38.19 | seebs | Hmmmmm. |
| 06:38.22 | seebs | Maybe a typo, though. |
| 06:38.31 | greepnak | if I open annoyrp.lua its garbled to hell and not readable.. why? |
| 06:38.38 | greepnak | (in notepad) |
| 06:38.40 | seebs | Ah-HAH! |
| 06:38.55 | seebs | Well, there's at least one typo affecting the release. Whoops. |
| 06:38.58 | seebs | I guess I uploaded the wrong one. |
| 06:39.04 | greepnak | oops >_> |
| 06:40.21 | seebs | Missing quote. |
| 06:40.30 | art3mis | http://assassinscreed.us.ubi.com/index.php |
| 06:40.42 | seebs | BTW, one reason it might look garbled is that it's a Unix text file, with plain old linefeeds and no carriage returns. :) |
| 06:40.58 | greepnak | i see, I wonder how I can read it legibly then |
| 06:41.25 | seebs | Okay, submitted a fixed version. |
| 06:41.37 | greepnak | same url? |
| 06:41.39 | seebs | Dunno. I stopped using Windows for WoW because it was too annoying. :) |
| 06:41.44 | seebs | It'll be a while before they update it. |
| 06:41.48 | greepnak | oh.. |
| 06:41.59 | greepnak | able to DCC to me ? |
| 06:42.27 | seebs | Dunno about DCC, but http://www.seebs.net/tmp/AnnoyRP-0.28.zip should do you. |
| 06:42.52 | greepnak | *tries it ingame* |
| 06:44.53 | seebs | It works for me, and I'm actually testing the download, not my development tree now. |
| 06:46.07 | art3mis | wow the director of assasins creed is a hottie |
| 06:46.08 | greepnak | I think it works.. though the Examples documentation extends well below the actual window and there's no scroll bar |
| 06:47.45 | greepnak | hmm.. |
| 06:48.01 | Thunder_Child | and btw, art3mis, i hate you for getting tht song stuck in my head |
| 06:48.06 | art3mis | err producer, not director |
| 06:48.17 | art3mis | which song? |
| 06:48.19 | Thunder_Child | "(22:20:46) (art3mis) could it be come on eileen?" |
| 06:48.21 | greepnak | Do you mind explaining how to add chatters? I think I have an event ready with the pattern Summon Imp but the chatters menu seems to be missing something.. |
| 06:48.23 | art3mis | hah |
| 06:49.09 | greepnak | ohhh.. the filter was hiding them. it was populated with my character's name |
| 06:50.22 | seebs | Oh, dear. The examples are supposed to fit on the screen, but I may have tested with the wrong font. |
| 06:50.30 | greepnak | The way the help and example texts cut off before they're finished makes this difficult.. |
| 06:50.42 | seebs | It turns out that making a good scrolling text window was WAY beyond my ability when I wrote AnnoyRP, and I've never fixed them up. |
| 06:50.55 | greepnak | can you provide an example of how to create a chatter that will speak a few lines at X seconds in the casting of Summon Succubus? |
| 06:50.58 | seebs | If you want to cheat, just browse the zip file for the Examples.html and Help.html files. And the README. :) |
| 06:51.24 | seebs | Chatters never speak more than one line at a time (although you can sorta hack around that, but it's annoying). What they do is have alternates. |
| 06:51.26 | greepnak | The spell tick example is unclear on how to go about it |
| 06:51.47 | seebs | The way I do it would be to, say, have one event at Tick 2 of Summon Succubus, and then a different event at Tick 6. |
| 06:51.56 | greepnak | How do you define ticks? |
| 06:51.59 | seebs | Then it'll say the first thing (some of the time, anyway) 2 seconds in, and the second 6 seconds in. |
| 06:52.04 | seebs | Ticks = seconds, actually. |
| 06:52.13 | seebs | So, Tick 2 is just "2 seconds after start casting". |
| 06:52.19 | greepnak | This is defined in the Pattern? |
| 06:52.43 | seebs | Pattern would just be, say, "Summon Succubus". |
| 06:53.04 | seebs | "Tick 2" means "2 seconds into casting a spell". So "Tick 2" with a pattern of "Summon Succubus" means "2 seconds into casting Summon Succubus". |
| 06:53.42 | greepnak | where can I find Ticks |
| 06:54.06 | greepnak | I do not see a field of that name |
| 06:54.14 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 06:54.19 | seebs | It's on the pop-up for event type. |
| 06:54.25 | seebs | Like, spell cast, spell stopped, etcetera. |
| 06:56.35 | greepnak | I located it |
| 06:57.07 | greepnak | I created 2 events, one for "Spell Cast" of "Summon Succubus" which should load the "Test1" list and another for "Spell Tick 2" of the same pattern which should load Test2 list |
| 06:57.23 | greepnak | I edited both lists to have one item in them, 100 weight. |
| 06:57.25 | greepnak | is this correct |
| 06:57.57 | seebs | Sure. Note that weight's only relative -- a list with only one item always picks that item. |
| 06:58.21 | seebs | The Test1 list should get used with whatever frequency after the spell succeeds, the Test2 list should get used 2 seconds in unless the spell is interrupted. |
| 06:58.35 | greepnak | It does not seem to be working... |
| 06:58.38 | greepnak | *tries again* |
| 06:59.00 | seebs | Did you set the frequency above 10%? The default is either 5% or 10%, I forget which. |
| 06:59.16 | greepnak | I set it to 100 |
| 06:59.19 | greepnak | seems to work now |
| 06:59.40 | greepnak | So "Spell Attempted" would be what event I would want to use if I wanted to vocalize something at the start of the spell? |
| 06:59.50 | seebs | Spell Start would be best. |
| 07:00.02 | seebs | Spell Attempted can fire even if the spell can't be cast (out of range, for instance). |
| 07:00.20 | greepnak | This addon seems very functional and powerful, if a little unintuitive... |
| 07:00.32 | greepnak | I will name a child after you. |
| 07:00.39 | seebs | It was my very first addon. I hope to some day come back and revamp it a lot. |
| 07:00.50 | greepnak | What other neat addons have you made? |
| 07:00.52 | seebs | For instance, trying to find some way to scroll the help so I can expand it a bit. |
| 07:01.17 | greepnak | I wish it was possible to color chat text with color codes |
| 07:01.22 | seebs | ToDo (a todo list program that replaces the regular quest watch, and can watch user-invented quests), GetOpt (library, only interesting to programmers), and SimpleMail (grabs things out of the mail, mostly). |
| 07:01.36 | seebs | I also have one called PetXP that does nothing but add XP gain messages for your pet. |
| 07:01.54 | greepnak | Neat, though annoyrp is most suitable to my need ^^ |
| 07:01.59 | greepnak | I think you are awesome, thank you so much |
| 07:02.23 | greepnak | now I must sit for an hour building events |
| 07:02.42 | greepnak | I have a feature request! |
| 07:02.47 | greepnak | If you ever do revisit it |
| 07:02.49 | seebs | Note that dragging a spell onto the window makes an event automatically. |
| 07:03.41 | greepnak | It would be a nice function if you could define audio files to play with the events, even if only you hears them. Would be fun as well as practical, actually. |
| 07:04.06 | seebs | Interesting notion. Hadn't occurred to me. |
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| 07:04.30 | greepnak | That is why I installed NEcrosis.. so I could get an audio alert when shadow trance procs. Otherwise I'd never notice it |
| 07:05.10 | greepnak | Now I must sit for 45 minutes creating events and chatters ^^ |
| 07:05.31 | greepnak | Thank you so much again, you're awesome like a baked cake, that is made with sugared awesome. |
| 07:06.24 | greepnak | I will register on wowinterface later and comment on your mod to express how much I like it |
| 07:06.29 | greepnak | afk |
| 07:06.46 | seebs | :) |
| 07:06.51 | greepnak-away | oh, question |
| 07:07.02 | seebs | It really is endless fun, and I find that it's quite rewarding and makes it easier to stay in character. |
| 07:07.04 | greepnak-away | since I have to type some odd things.. |
| 07:07.28 | seebs | BTW, definitely back up your SavedVariables file. :) |
| 07:07.35 | seebs | Not that I've ever made that mistake. |
| 07:07.39 | greepnak-away | yes agreed, the hard part about rp in an mmo is how cumbersome things that should be natural are to do.. |
| 07:07.44 | greepnak-away | but question |
| 07:07.55 | greepnak-away | where are these events and chatters stored and can that be edited by hand? |
| 07:08.00 | greepnak-away | in a text editor |
| 07:08.26 | greepnak-away | I have so many lines to add |
| 07:08.45 | seebs | WTF/Account/<AccountName>/SavedVariables/AnnoyRP.lua |
| 07:09.09 | seebs | I will some day write a program to simplify that, but I've never bothered. |
| 07:11.15 | greepnak-away | it would be a blessing. |
| 07:11.53 | seebs | I think I actually had a perl script at one point to make them, but I probably lost it ages ago. |
| 07:11.59 | seebs | Anyway, I gotta get some sleep. Have fun! |
| 07:12.17 | greepnak-away | So I can just add bracketed items to their section ( events, etc)? or do I have to manage some kind of index table |
| 07:13.00 | greepnak-away | okay, sleep well and thank you.. |
| 07:13.25 | Thunder_Child | sleep...whats that? |
| 07:13.56 | greepnak-away | I have another question for anyone still listening |
| 07:14.16 | greepnak-away | Are there any web-based resources for translating english text into WoW's languages? |
| 07:14.47 | seebs | Not that I know of -- it's sort of intentional. |
| 07:14.58 | seebs | I didn't understand your question about bracketed items. |
| 07:14.59 | seebs | Oh! |
| 07:15.11 | seebs | I see. Yeah, in the .lua, it should Just Work. |
| 07:15.14 | Thunder_Child | wow dosent have a language |
| 07:15.24 | greepnak-away | Well, it has the language filters |
| 07:15.26 | seebs | Anyway, there's normally no translation, they're sort of hostile to it. |
| 07:15.37 | greepnak-away | for when you speak in some language like Thalassian |
| 07:15.40 | Thunder_Child | or do you mean dwarf/undead/etc/> |
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| 07:15.43 | seebs | Note that you can do stuff like /gnomish or /orcish in ARP. |
| 07:15.43 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 07:15.48 | greepnak-away | I know it's not actual language, but it's structured enough to seem to be |
| 07:15.53 | seebs | But I don't know of anything to do the translations for you. |
| 07:15.54 | Thunder_Child | ah, ya, thats against the rules |
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| 07:16.18 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure why they havent randomsied it yet...but w/e |
| 07:16.18 | greepnak-away | oh I see.. I wanted to find a way to get things into Demonic/erudar |
| 07:16.24 | Corrodias | the same words in different positions do not create the same translated words |
| 07:16.37 | Corrodias | there is certainly an algorithm, but it's not necessarily a reversible one |
| 07:16.48 | Corrodias | even if it were reversibly engineerable, so to speak |
| 07:17.06 | Corrodias | there could be information loss |
| 07:18.26 | greepnak-away | there is data here for how the language parser messes with your words |
| 07:18.27 | greepnak-away | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredun |
| 07:19.03 | greepnak-away | seems based on number of letters in the word used |
| 07:19.59 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias there has to be or it wouldnt be the same thing each time |
| 07:20.02 | kadrahil | Night elf and Dwarven inns have new music added. |
| 07:20.06 | kadrahil | bwahaha |
| 07:20.14 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: please rephrase that |
| 07:20.15 | greepnak-away | I wonder how much a project it would be to take that table and turn it into some kind of out of game language parser? |
| 07:20.21 | kadrahil | oh, kara has new music? |
| 07:20.49 | Cairenn | Wobin: I added it to the thread |
| 07:20.50 | Corrodias | i mean, multiple words can become the same thing. there may not be a way to reverse the process. |
| 07:20.56 | Thunder_Child | the letters are static, or kek would not always mean lol, and in such cases it would be reverse engineered |
| 07:20.57 | Corrodias | *maybe multiple words can |
| 07:20.58 | art3mis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2967987085&sid=1 |
| 07:20.59 | greepnak-away | Just read the length of each word then pick something from the right column , that cant be hard can it? |
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| 07:21.06 | Corrodias | i don't think kek DOES always mean lol |
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| 07:21.15 | greepnak-away | programatically I mean |
| 07:21.16 | Thunder_Child | afaik it does |
| 07:21.32 | Thunder_Child | when used by its self |
| 07:21.33 | Corrodias | "kek" might, but "blargh kek" might not mean "<something> lol". maybe it does. |
| 07:21.48 | nevcairiel | short words like lol always end up in that translation |
| 07:21.55 | kadrahil | so.. |
| 07:21.56 | Thunder_Child | even if it does it's a static system |
| 07:21.58 | nevcairiel | anything longer gets weirder |
| 07:22.09 | kadrahil | what's a conditional that will cast a spell on the focus if it exists, otherwise on the target? |
| 07:22.38 | greepnak-away | You guys who are stronger in programming than I am, how hard/time consuming would it be to make a web app that would parse a sentance into random demonic based on that table? |
| 07:23.11 | greepnak-away | read length of input word, output item from right column.. |
| 07:23.15 | greepnak-away | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredun |
| 07:23.59 | greepnak-away | think that Lore mod already does that actually |
| 07:24.00 | Corrodias | what the heck does "# Experimental support for paravirtualized guests " mean? :o |
| 07:24.03 | greepnak-away | though ingame |
| 07:26.10 | art3mis | ill just be me... think you could be a bit less evil? i dunno think you could survive a 700ft fall? |
| 07:26.41 | Corrodias | god, i'm totally ignorant of current PC technology |
| 07:26.56 | greepnak-away | my mcse is in windows nt 4 |
| 07:26.58 | Corrodias | what kind of memory does everything use? do people use AMD or Intel chips? |
| 07:27.03 | greepnak-away | I never updated it after that |
| 07:27.27 | art3mis | i prefer ati, ocz and amd64x2's ;) |
| 07:28.24 | Corrodias | i've always been fond of ECC ram, because i loathe instability over all else |
| 07:28.48 | Corrodias | but it's hard to find hard data on the effects |
| 07:29.57 | mikma | Cairenn: http://www.bpv.superhost.pl/humor/kac.jpg |
| 07:30.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:31.48 | Thunder_Child | most mobos wont support ECC ram |
| 07:31.52 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 07:32.11 | Corrodias | most don't, it's true |
| 07:32.21 | Corrodias | in this computer i have a TYAN motherboard that does |
| 07:32.52 | Thunder_Child | it's more server mobos that have that since gaming comps arent "mission criticial" |
| 07:33.56 | Corrodias | but the problem is trying to find actual data that compares the performance you can get out of ECC ram vs non-ECC ram, and what tradeoff in stability (if there is any measurable tradeoff) you'd be making |
| 07:35.07 | a-stray-cat | Cairenn around? |
| 07:35.15 | Cairenn | a-stray-cat: yup |
| 07:35.20 | a-stray-cat | i'd like an addon approved :o |
| 07:35.22 | Corrodias | if i had some evidence, i could make a decent comparison. maybe i need to write to some big hardware-reviewing web site and ask them to make such a test, if i can |
| 07:35.28 | a-stray-cat | Sorren's Easy Rotations :X if you please |
| 07:35.37 | a-stray-cat | and you're not too busy :X |
| 07:35.56 | Cairenn | there's nothing in the queue, so either it's already approved, or you messed up the upload ;) |
| 07:36.06 | Cairenn | *checks* |
| 07:36.11 | Cairenn | yeah, it's already approved |
| 07:36.13 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 07:36.17 | a-stray-cat | i just hit upload |
| 07:36.20 | a-stray-cat | you guys are fast ;P |
| 07:36.23 | Cairenn | heh, yup |
| 07:36.47 | Thunder_Child | "Memory controllers in most modern PCs can typically detect, and correct errors of a single bit per 64 bit "word" (the unit of bus transfer), and detect (but not correct) errors of two bits per 64 bit word. Some systems also 'scrub' the errors, by writing the corrected version back to memory. The BIOS in some computers, and operating systems such as Linux, allow counting of detected and corrected memory errors, in part to h |
| 07:37.20 | Thunder_Child | "A reasonable rule of thumb is to expect one bit error, per month, per gigabyte of memory. Actual error rates vary widely" |
| 07:40.05 | Corrodias | so, like, one or two crashes per month if you've got an above-average amount at a time |
| 07:40.18 | Corrodias | with 2gb, a reasonable amount at this time |
| 07:40.41 | Corrodias | wait, i mean... |
| 07:40.43 | Thunder_Child | i have 4gb, so i should expect 4 times a month then |
| 07:41.03 | Corrodias | if you're getting more errors than average, assuming 2gb, which is a reasonably average amount of memory these days |
| 07:41.22 | Thunder_Child | you mean getting more than 2 errors a month? |
| 07:41.31 | Thunder_Child | with 2gb of ram |
| 07:41.42 | Corrodias | yeah, it said single bit errors could probably be corrected, anyway |
| 07:42.12 | Thunder_Child | hah, they used the same phrase i did |
| 07:42.15 | Thunder_Child | ECC or Non-parity? You may have to decide whether you want ECC or non-parity. ECC can find and correct some memory errors, but it comes with a performance price-it will slow your system by about 2%. Fortunately, memory errors are rare in today's memory chips, so most average users don't have a need for ECC. If you're planning to use your system as a server or other "mission-critical" machine, we recommend ECC. If you're loo |
| 07:42.56 | Thunder_Child | (the last quote being from crucial) |
| 07:42.58 | Corrodias | i'd really like to never to see a blue screen again. ever. then again, even if you have an uncorrectable error occur in the ram, the chances that it'll be in a system-critical location are relatively low |
| 07:43.01 | Thunder_Child | http://www.computer-memory-upgrade-stick.com/ecc-vs-non-ecc.htm |
| 07:43.14 | Thunder_Child | most of my BSoD's are not ram issues |
| 07:43.15 | Corrodias | yeah, i remember reading that page ages ago when trying to decide how to build THIS computer |
| 07:43.39 | Thunder_Child | and i get alot of bsods |
| 07:43.42 | Thunder_Child | a lot* |
| 07:43.51 | Corrodias | ew. :( |
| 07:44.17 | Corrodias | then there's vista; if i get a new pc, i'll be needing dx10, and with dx10 comes that cow |
| 07:44.26 | Thunder_Child | i have vista |
| 07:45.07 | Corrodias | have you opinions about it? |
| 07:45.36 | Corrodias | "it will slow your system by about 2%" -- so, 49fps instead of 50fps? i think i can handle a difference like THAT |
| 07:46.15 | Thunder_Child | since 5/8/07 i have had 23 BSoD's |
| 07:46.28 | Corrodias | jesus shit, i'd kill somebody if i went through that |
| 07:46.30 | Corrodias | maybe two people |
| 07:46.51 | Thunder_Child | and 3 times as many "Disruptive Shutdowns" |
| 07:47.10 | Corrodias | what's that? |
| 07:47.28 | Thunder_Child | which means it restarted without any software command |
| 07:47.38 | Corrodias | that's... not cool |
| 07:47.42 | Thunder_Child | which include hard restarts...but i havent done many |
| 07:48.06 | Thunder_Child | ya...dasly i am getting used to it |
| 07:48.16 | Thunder_Child | sadly* |
| 07:48.59 | Corrodias | well that's crap. you shouldn't have to put up with that. what do you suppose is the cause(s) of all that? |
| 07:49.16 | Thunder_Child | me |
| 07:49.34 | Thunder_Child | it's always PEBKAC |
| 07:49.56 | Thunder_Child | but other than that...vista has issues and i think i overheat once in a while |
| 07:50.10 | Corrodias | this sounds like something from science fiction, or scientology: "Currently the primary source of soft errors in SDRAM is electrical disturbance caused by cosmic rays, which are very high-energy subatomic particles originating in outer space." |
| 07:50.45 | Corrodias | how can YOU cause crashes? |
| 07:50.45 | Thunder_Child | because if vista was left alone and nothing was ever touched or installed, there would be no problems |
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| 07:52.03 | Corrodias | no, no, the computer is designed to be used. if it can't be used, it's not your fault. |
| 07:52.12 | Corrodias | (or if merely using it causes the errors) |
| 07:53.23 | Corrodias | hey, what socket do the newest of the AMD X2 processors use? |
| 07:53.49 | Thunder_Child | it is designed to operate....any 3rd party interferance is outside the scope of it's abilitys and is there for not responsible for anything that can happen |
| 07:53.56 | Thunder_Child | :P |
| 07:54.12 | Thunder_Child | 775 i think |
| 07:54.26 | mikma | ~framexml |
| 07:54.26 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 07:54.30 | Corrodias | vista does things the vista way. when you get involved and start CHANGING what it's doing, it's not microsoft's fault! |
| 07:55.17 | Thunder_Child | sry socket 939/AM2 |
| 07:55.28 | Corrodias | what is AM2? |
| 07:55.44 | Thunder_Child | new one if i remember correctly |
| 07:56.05 | Thunder_Child | i like amd, but i go with the more powerfull one, and atm thats intel |
| 07:57.12 | Corrodias | i don't know ANYTHING about intel CPU's and chipsets, unfortunately |
| 07:57.38 | Corrodias | i look up models and they have core duo, core 2, core 2 duo, core 2 duo 2, i775, i6809, 9892x... |
| 07:57.54 | Thunder_Child | it's not that hard |
| 07:57.55 | Corrodias | that might be an exaggeration |
| 07:58.20 | Thunder_Child | core 2 duo is 2 cores, core 2 quadro is 4 |
| 07:58.57 | Corrodias | i can see having two. i'm not sure about the benefits of having 4. |
| 07:58.57 | Thunder_Child | "brand was introduced on July 27, 2006[3] comprising of the Solo (single-core), Duo (dual-core), Quad (quad-core), and Extreme (dual- or quad-core CPUs for enthusiasts) branches, as of 2007[4]" |
| 07:59.17 | Thunder_Child | extreme is very very expensive |
| 07:59.24 | Corrodias | and what's better about it? |
| 07:59.33 | Thunder_Child | more number crunching |
| 08:02.21 | Thunder_Child | similar to amd's FX series |
| 08:02.22 | Corrodias | just higher speeds? |
| 08:02.22 | Corrodias | as i recall, those were just higher clock rates and larger caches |
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| 08:03.34 | Thunder_Child | it's a gaming chip, faster in every way a gamer would want |
| 08:04.19 | Corrodias | but the point is, they only call it that because it's just the, say, 4 chips on the high end of what they offer, not because there's any particular technology at work |
| 08:04.42 | Corrodias | i mean, i can live with that. i just need to know that i wouldn't be missing something really special by choosing something slower. |
| 08:05.33 | Thunder_Child | uhhh..it might be the only one to have SSE4 |
| 08:05.53 | Thunder_Child | but that would be it as far as i can tell |
| 08:16.33 | bleeter | woot flying reindeer |
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| 08:28.25 | Corrodias | there is a significant price difference between the core 2 extremes and the amd X2's... on the order of costing 450% as much |
| 08:28.51 | Corrodias | looks like a big spec difference, though, enough to match the price probably |
| 08:29.10 | Thunder_Child | ya, though in fairness amd was always cheaper than intel |
| 08:29.43 | Thunder_Child | and besides, i said the extreames were in the same field as the FX series, not the X2's |
| 08:30.14 | Corrodias | heheh, true |
| 08:30.59 | Thunder_Child | so sad though..FX-74 is now 300, just a little bit ago is was well over 1,000 |
| 08:31.44 | Corrodias | oddly enough, newegg has a better-looking X2 for only $210: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103191 |
| 08:32.05 | Corrodias | the quick list of stats is identical except for being 200mhz faster and $90 cheaper |
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| 08:34.56 | Thunder_Child | X2 is much newer, the FX line petered out when intel came crashing back into the gaming CPU world |
| 08:35.16 | Thunder_Child | but the FX line was what the extream line is now |
| 08:35.25 | Thunder_Child | extreme* |
| 08:35.29 | Corrodias | yeah, i remember those days |
| 08:35.31 | Thunder_Child | ok..i cant spell |
| 08:36.23 | Corrodias | comparing the " Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe 2.93GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor " to the " Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor ", the only difference appears to be 300mhz and about $650 |
| 08:36.30 | Corrodias | according to newegg's spec list, anyway |
| 08:37.16 | Thunder_Child | that 650 will get you 10-20 more FPS |
| 08:37.35 | Corrodias | what spec aren't they listing that will accomplish that? :o |
| 08:37.50 | Thunder_Child | the mhz |
| 08:38.22 | Corrodias | seriously? because the " AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor " runs at 3.2ghz for each, but with vastly different cache sizes |
| 08:39.09 | Thunder_Child | i am just talking about the core 2 extreme and the core 2 duo...once you start messing around with more things...stuff starts to happen |
| 08:39.20 | Corrodias | yeah.. |
| 08:39.23 | Thunder_Child | for example, what it doesnt say is what the FSB supported is |
| 08:39.32 | Thunder_Child | which is much important |
| 08:39.49 | Corrodias | it's the same for each, 1066mhz, according to the spec sheet |
| 08:39.57 | Corrodias | but i thought i saw a different value on intel's site |
| 08:40.01 | Corrodias | maybe that was for another cpu |
| 08:40.05 | Thunder_Child | eh...extreme should have 1333 or w/e |
| 08:40.21 | Thunder_Child | "The newest Intel Core 2 Extreme processor that boasts this new core is the Core 2 Extreme QX9650. This chip has a clock speed of 3.0 GHz and a FSB of 1333 MHz." |
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| 08:40.37 | Corrodias | ah yes. |
| 08:41.02 | Corrodias | i don't think i can justify spending $1k on any one component of the PC, though. i'll have to stick with the cheaper offerings. |
| 08:41.12 | Thunder_Child | same here |
| 08:43.09 | Thunder_Child | i have |
| 08:43.12 | Thunder_Child | Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz |
| 08:43.13 | Thunder_Child | Memory: 4092MB RAM |
| 08:43.14 | Thunder_Child | Hard Drive: 1.8 TB Total |
| 08:43.15 | Thunder_Child | Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX |
| 08:43.16 | Thunder_Child | Monitor: Dual Dell E228WFP's |
| 08:43.17 | Thunder_Child | Sound Card: Speakers (Creative SB X-Fi) |
| 08:43.18 | Thunder_Child | Speakers/Headphones: Plantronics GameCom|Pro1 |
| 08:43.19 | Thunder_Child | Keyboard: Logitech G15 |
| 08:43.20 | Thunder_Child | Mouse: Razer Copperhead |
| 08:43.24 | Thunder_Child | meh to much |
| 08:43.34 | Corrodias | intel favors 32kb for L1 and 4mb shared, AMD favors 128kb L1 and 1mb individual (2mb total) |
| 08:43.38 | Thunder_Child | anyway, that was purchased...around the begining of the year |
| 08:45.33 | Thunder_Child | i am sure there is somthing to each of their cache setups |
| 08:45.53 | Thunder_Child | you can browse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache |
| 08:46.05 | Thunder_Child | but it doesnt have much in the way of why one is better than the other |
| 08:46.27 | Thunder_Child | anyway, time for me to hit the hay, night |
| 08:46.32 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 08:46.37 | Cairenn | night Thunder_Child |
| 08:46.42 | bleeter | damnit blizz, i'ma gunna quit yer game i swear... still can't /dance with dartol's rod |
| 08:46.56 | bleeter | *no anim |
| 08:47.04 | Thunder_Child | "(00:46:45) (bleeter) damnit blizz, i'ma gunna quit yer game i swear... still can't /dance with dartol's rod" <-- but aftear reading that...i dunno if i can go to sleep |
| 08:47.08 | Thunder_Child | safely anyways |
| 08:47.14 | bleeter | oO or maybe.. that is the dance :/ |
| 08:47.38 | bleeter | and why can't I summon @ ZF @ lvl 40? |
| 08:51.56 | Corrodias | ah, socket AM2 CPU's are for DDR2 RAM |
| 08:52.02 | Corrodias | sayeth this one page |
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| 09:52.59 | Fin | hiiiiii! |
| 09:57.16 | Kalroth | hiii |
| 09:57.30 | Fin | woo! |
| 09:57.51 | Cairenn | hi Fi |
| 09:57.59 | Cairenn | Fin* |
| 09:57.59 | Fin | haha |
| 09:58.00 | Fin | good one |
| 09:58.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:58.32 | Fin | Cairenn: I have a post script to my ui.worldofwar story |
| 09:58.39 | Fin | my account's been deleted! |
| 09:58.47 | Cairenn | indeed? |
| 09:59.21 | Fin | just, totally removed, no forum account, can't log in the main page, and using the password reminder thing tells me my email address is unknown |
| 09:59.28 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:59.28 | Fin | so yep |
| 09:59.59 | Fin | apparently dealing with the problem - or even contacting me - was just too difficult |
| 10:00.06 | Cairenn | what the hell - "great customer service!" |
| 10:00.11 | Fin | hahah |
| 10:00.35 | Fin | I did provoke them though, I think my anonymous comments in the shoutbox got too much |
| 10:01.00 | Cairenn | still |
| 10:01.14 | Fin | I think I'm going to write up the whole thing and post it to a forum somewhere, as long as I can avoid making it sound too bitter :) |
| 10:02.10 | Cairenn | feel free |
| 10:02.48 | Fin | I'll see if I can write something that's not too angry-ex-user-making-wild-accusations sort of thing :) |
| 10:03.02 | Fin | +first |
| 10:03.07 | Cairenn | heh |
| 10:06.10 | Cairenn | god I hope things calm down tomorrow so I don't have to pull a 3rd all-nighter in a row |
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| 10:09.18 | Fin | d'oh |
| 10:12.57 | mikma | btw, here's my new addon! |
| 10:13.10 | mikma | http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ColoredChatEditBox/ -> screenshots available at: http://wow.reaktio.net/cceb/ |
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| 10:28.47 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 10:28.56 | Cairenn | hey cncfanatics |
| 10:29.11 | cncfanatics | anyone that knows java around ? JButton.setBounds refuses to do anything at all for some reason |
| 10:29.44 | cncfanatics | I'm trying to get 10 Jbuttons on a specific location on my screen, but not managing -.- |
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| 10:29.58 | mikma | Cairenn: tell me a good name for mah addon! |
| 10:30.28 | Cairenn | thought it already had a name |
| 10:30.50 | mikma | it's just something i whacked in so i can use it as separate folder :D |
| 10:31.11 | Cairenn | "blueair" |
| 10:31.35 | Cairenn | you know "they were swearing so much, the air was blue" |
| 10:32.07 | Cairenn | <shrug> I'm completely exhausted, my brain has no ideas at this point |
| 10:32.22 | mikma | kittybox |
| 10:32.35 | Cairenn | cute, not sure it applies ;) |
| 10:33.00 | mikma | hehe |
| 10:37.41 | Fin | well, my account was definitely deleted |
| 10:37.43 | Fin | Thank you for registering, pgl. An email has been dispatched to pgl@yoyo.org with details on how to activate your account. Click here to return to where you were previously. |
| 10:38.03 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 10:38.10 | Fin | (my old username was pgl, I wanted to change it to fin, which is how the whole thing started (yeah I know noone cares! :)) |
| 10:38.21 | Cairenn | I care |
| 10:38.37 | Cairenn | that's just not good customer service |
| 10:38.44 | Kalroth | hi pgl! |
| 10:39.13 | Fin | Kallers! |
| 10:39.19 | Fin | wait |
| 10:39.48 | Fin | bugger, can't remember where I saw that thing with your real / other username on it |
| 10:42.24 | Kalroth | Fin: the progress chart? |
| 10:42.38 | Fin | Kalroth: nooo, it was something serious |
| 10:42.52 | Kalroth | progress chart is serious business! |
| 10:43.03 | Kalroth | http://serverprogression.elitism-guild.com/ ! |
| 10:43.18 | Fin | ^ 100% pure Kalroth (very nifty actually!) |
| 10:43.50 | Fin | I don't know who you paid to do it, but I hope they charged you a lot |
| 10:44.13 | Kalroth | I wish I could get money for stuff like that :p |
| 10:44.48 | Fin | www.rentacoder.com |
| 10:45.18 | Kalroth | without obligations :P |
| 10:45.24 | Kalroth | I hate deadlines etc. |
| 10:45.51 | Kalroth | That's the best part about coding in my freetime, I don't have to worry about it being done in time or being done at all |
| 10:46.03 | Fin | that's exactly why I do it too |
| 10:46.16 | krka | same |
| 10:48.28 | Fin | hah, the pgl account on ui.worldofwar can't actually access any forums, I think |
| 10:48.59 | Fin | nup |
| 10:49.28 | Fin | aww, poor widdle wow.incgamers.com admins got an itty bitty upset :( |
| 10:52.16 | Cairenn | okay, now, see, that's bitter |
| 10:53.38 | Fin | heheh |
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| 11:04.10 | nevcairiel | is there a simple addon that allows alt-click on item to add them to trade windows and mail? CT_MailMod stopped doing that in the latest version :( |
| 11:07.22 | Duman | just right-click |
| 11:07.42 | nevcairiel | but, but, i am used to alt-click |
| 11:07.44 | leethal | yep, right click ftw |
| 11:07.56 | Duman | I agree, I am, too... but better to break the habit :) |
| 11:08.01 | Duman | since it's in teh UI now |
| 11:08.13 | leethal | yeah habits ftl |
| 11:08.33 | leethal | sucked when I went tank => dps and re-arranged my action bars |
| 11:08.38 | nevcairiel | oh well, guess i'll have to adapt |
| 11:24.46 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7838-NeonChat.html :) |
| 11:24.57 | mikma | advertising own addons <3 |
| 11:30.31 | leethal | \o/ |
| 11:32.04 | leethal | lolz cool signature on that comment there |
| 11:32.13 | leethal | Jesus: "I can offer you eternal Salvation." Disciples: "Can I get Might or Kings instead?" |
| 11:44.12 | Shirik | oi |
| 11:44.20 | Shirik | you know you're tired when you're writing binary |
| 11:44.25 | Shirik | and you end up writing a 2 |
| 11:46.26 | leethal | writing binary =( |
| 11:46.44 | Shirik | telecomms class ftl :P |
| 11:50.34 | leethal | hmm |
| 11:51.04 | leethal | nvm =P |
| 11:54.27 | sag_ich_nicht | >>> function f(t) for k,v in pairs(t) do if type(k)=="table" then f(v) else print "NO LOOP" end end end t1={} t2={loop=t1} t1={loop=t2} f(t1) |
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| 11:54.36 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 11:54.39 | sag_ich_nicht | where did that bot go |
| 11:56.37 | leethal | so, say you have a list of units |
| 11:56.39 | leethal | with health bars |
| 11:56.48 | leethal | can the health bars be buttons, casting spell X? |
| 11:57.14 | leethal | instead of targeting the unit, I mean |
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| 12:03.12 | darkylow | anyone here use a loot link mod? |
| 12:23.14 | Rayne | ROAR |
| 12:27.24 | Cairenn | mew |
| 12:29.10 | Fisker- | JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION |
| 12:29.13 | Fisker- | GET IN THE CAR |
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| 12:38.04 | Kalroth | purr |
| 12:38.12 | cladhaire | hi |
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| 13:06.44 | JoshBorke | got quag's eye last night :-D |
| 13:09.24 | Cairenn | congrats |
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| 13:32.29 | Fisker- | fury warriors = hug tiem in 2.3 :D |
| 13:32.42 | Fisker- | they are so stupidly easy as a paladin now |
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| 13:47.18 | Industrial | Fisker-: lmao |
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| 13:51.05 | Fin | clad: I know you've already sorted this problem, but, because I've had it open in my browser for days but no net access, I'm going to paste it anyway: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7814-SimpleAssist.html |
| 13:51.13 | clad | lol thanks, |
| 13:51.28 | Kalroth | Fin: That's codswallop! |
| 13:52.16 | Fin | technically I have had net access, but only via dhcp on my windows box, the static IP was fucked for this machine, so no irc |
| 13:52.31 | Fin | so yes, it was codswallop, but gently so |
| 13:52.51 | Fin | I think I shall have a beer |
| 13:52.57 | Kalroth | At this hour? |
| 13:53.02 | Kalroth | Shame on you |
| 13:53.07 | Fin | perhaps... several |
| 13:53.16 | Kalroth | Oh, that's ok then |
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| 14:01.27 | Cairenn | hi Beladona |
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| 14:13.58 | Beladona | hiya |
| 14:14.08 | Beladona | sorry, delayed reaction |
| 14:15.10 | JoshBorke | hi bela |
| 14:15.19 | darkylow | hi bela |
| 14:19.11 | Industrial | hi bela |
| 14:21.04 | Wobin | Is silence a well used mechanic in ZA? |
| 14:21.27 | darkylow | ? |
| 14:21.55 | Wobin | Do mobs use it a lot in ZA |
| 14:23.17 | darkylow | never been inside |
| 14:23.35 | JoshBorke | wobin: didn't use it while i was attempting second boss |
| 14:23.46 | Wobin | do the bosses use it? |
| 14:28.18 | JoshBorke | first boss does |
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| 14:54.28 | Wobin | hm |
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| 15:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | You *are* the sandwich, |Jelly|... bite yourself? |
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| 15:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | I can tell that someone isn't awake yet! |
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| 15:48.07 | Polarina | Why isn't the Armory updating the price of Arakkoa Feathers?!? WHY? |
| 15:49.45 | Lopeppeppy | That would be on the armory? Apparently I haven't investigated that feature more than just talent lookup. |
| 15:50.37 | Polarina | Lopeppeppy: Take a look at http://wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25719 . Do you notice the missing sell value? It is supposed to be there. |
| 15:54.10 | Polarina | Could anyone here be so kind to let the Armory Maintainers at US know about this? |
| 15:54.27 | Fisker- | anyone know if there's any api attached to the guildbank i can read about somewhere? |
| 15:55.04 | Cairenn | okay guys, that's it, I'm completely and utterly tapped out, I'm gone for a few hours |
| 15:55.20 | Cairenn | if you desperately need something, ping Beladona or clad |
| 15:55.22 | Wobin | sleep... somehow, Cair |
| 15:55.43 | Polarina | Fisker-: I would just simply fetch all the data from the global variable _G. |
| 15:56.11 | Polarina | Beladona: Ping! |
| 15:56.14 | Fisker- | i don't Polarina :O |
| 15:57.19 | Wobin | omg |
| 15:57.20 | Wobin | bleeter: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/2968657051.htm |
| 15:57.22 | Wobin | roflroflrofl |
| 15:57.39 | Wobin | "Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd today pledged to bring World of Warcraft servers to Australia, claiming the government should be doing more to decrease latency, and dependency on American hardware." |
| 15:58.06 | Wobin | " |
| 15:58.06 | Wobin | World of Warcraft is the worlds top ranking multiplayer online game and has a virtual population almost half the size of Australia, and senior Labor advisers believe that the methods used by so called Gold Farmers could be used to further spread the Opposition message. " |
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| 16:00.51 | Polarina | The Korean armory is the only one who got the prices for Arakkoa Featers right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -> http://kr.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25719 |
| 16:01.02 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:01.11 | Wobin | When you said that, I thought you meant the Korean army =P |
| 16:01.23 | Fisker- | http://i14.tinypic.com/854txmf.jpg |
| 16:02.29 | Polarina | Fisker-: You have me an idea of an addon! Depositing few golds as one copper every time!! :D |
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| 16:06.07 | zenzelezz | Polarina: http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25719 seems to show the price too? |
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| 16:07.44 | Fisker- | :P Polarina |
| 16:07.56 | Fisker- | /script DepositGuildBankMoney(1) |
| 16:08.06 | Fisker- | Wobin could technically make mr. plow work with the guildbank as well |
| 16:08.54 | |Jelly| | nooooo I'm out of rested xp :( |
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| 16:13.44 | Lopeppeppy | Already, Jelly!? |
| 16:13.52 | |Jelly| | Yeah :( |
| 16:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | On all alts? |
| 16:14.06 | |Jelly| | Granted, I only had like 36% but still. |
| 16:14.24 | |Jelly| | Oh no. Just Shalyn. I haven't /played/ on Burning Legion (Jelly, Klot, etc) in forever. |
| 16:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. I need to get myself onto my alts, hopefully tonight and this weekend for fun times. |
| 16:16.45 | |Jelly| | Reroll on Velen and level with me! :) |
| 16:18.04 | Lopeppeppy | I think you're likely waaaaay ahead of me, Jelly! And I have a 37 warlock just poised to hit the new goblin content! |
| 16:18.43 | |Jelly| | !c us velen shalyn |
| 16:18.46 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Shalyn, Level 36 Night Elf Druid (0/27/0). 1659 HP; 1444 Mana; 77 mana regen; 40.100 Melee DPS; 9.18% melee crit; 15.66% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 128 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ydp6q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3asae8 ][ Updated: Thu Nov 15 07:24:24 2007 EST ]] |
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| 16:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, if only Ava were on Velen, she could use her foul magics to blow crap up in your face. :P |
| 16:20.59 | |Jelly| | Transfer imo. |
| 16:21.55 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.47 | |Jelly| | So there's this ad on MySpace, right? "Drop up to 12lbs in just 2 days!" The lol is that they don't tell you *how* you're going to drop that weight and how dehydrated you're going to be afterwards. |
| 16:23.07 | Shirik | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 16:23.08 | purl | ACTION hugs |Jelly| tightly until |Jelly| turns slightly blue |
| 16:23.16 | Intangir | !te us mug'thol 2v2 fallen ones |
| 16:23.17 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Name: Fallen Ones (2v2); Vengeance (Horde); Rank: 514; Rating: 2066; Last Season's Rank: 1845; This Season: 243/442 (55%) (Won/Played); This Week: 17/29 (59%); Points: ~863. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zy2yp ]] |
| 16:23.17 | |Jelly| | BTW Peppy: Total time played: 9 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, 50 seconds -- I think I make too many UIs on this character. :\ |
| 16:23.21 | Intangir | 2066!! :) |
| 16:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ya think, Jelly? |
| 16:23.48 | |Jelly| | Just means I need more friends. :P |
| 16:23.50 | Shirik|zZz | zomg Intangir |
| 16:23.54 | Shirik|zZz | you're in my battlegroup |
| 16:23.56 | Shirik|zZz | stay away from me |
| 16:23.58 | Intangir | lol |
| 16:24.05 | Intangir | fear me! |
| 16:24.07 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 16:24.12 | |Jelly| | Night |
| 16:24.13 | Intangir | what class are you frst? |
| 16:24.31 | Shirik|zZz | !te us drenden 2v2 clown punchers |
| 16:24.33 | ThraeBot | Shirik|zZz: Name: Clown Punchers (2v2); Emberstorm (Horde); Rank: 2044; Rating: 1486; Last Season's Rank: 1136; This Season: 296/620 (48%) (Won/Played); This Week: 7/18 (39%); Points: ~259.0992. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2swbyf ]] |
| 16:24.35 | Shirik|zZz | I take that back |
| 16:24.40 | Intangir | oh your not on the same battlegroup |
| 16:24.42 | Shirik|zZz | it's Eredar that's in your battlegroup |
| 16:24.55 | Intangir | oh wow your way up there too |
| 16:24.55 | Shirik|zZz | but I don't really play Eredar anymore so yey |
| 16:25.02 | Intangir | oh nevermind, thats your rank |
| 16:25.06 | Shirik|zZz | wtf why is our rating so low? |
| 16:25.14 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to yell at someone later tonight |
| 16:25.16 | Intangir | lol ;) |
| 16:25.26 | JoshBorke | writing your own recommendation letter is weird |
| 16:25.27 | Shirik|zZz | they lose like 15 straight or something? o.o |
| 16:25.42 | Intangir | i lost over 280 rating points couple weeks ago |
| 16:25.44 | Intangir | in 1 night ;( |
| 16:25.50 | Intangir | it was pretty damn discouraging ;( |
| 16:25.51 | |Jelly| | can you: /cast Cat Form; /cast Prowl? (splitting the lines and removing the semi-colon, of course) |
| 16:26.37 | |Jelly| | (I died while talking to Peppy and came back to full respawns. I'm wanting sort of a vanish so I can run away a little bit. lol) |
| 16:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops, sorry Jelly! |
| 16:33.46 | |Jelly| | I'm not worried about it. |
| 16:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Death is just the beginning. |
| 16:36.42 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 16:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | One of my favorite movies.... |
| 16:37.13 | |Jelly| | Candyman? Or another movie? |
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| 16:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | The Mummy series, Brendan Fraser. I have some low tastes in amusement. |
| 16:38.56 | |Jelly| | Ahh yeah...they say that throughout that movie too, don't they? lol |
| 16:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | All the movies, all the time. Along with "I've got a bad feeling about this." It's very tongue in cheek. |
| 16:41.26 | |Jelly| | So glad they put another flight point in STV |
| 16:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Makes things much easier in that zone for leveling purposes.... |
| 16:42.53 | |Jelly| | Yeah it does! |
| 16:45.07 | |Jelly| | http://onwarden.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html Discuss. |
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| 16:58.57 | Lopeppeppy | Comparing a private company to the government requirement of checks and balances.... hmm... apples and oranges unite, Jelly. |
| 16:59.32 | |Jelly| | Please don't misunderstand me saying "discuss" as "OMG! BLIZZARD IS AFTER MY PERSONAL INFORMATION!" :P |
| 16:59.48 | |Jelly| | The way I see it, they already have my personal information.. |
| 16:59.51 | Cide | that post is awesome |
| 17:00.00 | Cide | if you don't like it, don't agree to it and stop playing |
| 17:00.02 | |Jelly| | And I use a game card to pay for WoW so yeah.. |
| 17:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | ... I get a WTF Go Live in a Cave response happening in my mind. Big Brother moved in a decade ago, get over it. |
| 17:01.08 | |Jelly| | ...so like I said... |
| 17:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | It's fun times. I'm sorta glad that Warden is getting more flexible, and sad that it needs to be that way. What aspects did you want to see discussed, Jelly-doom? |
| 17:03.20 | |Jelly| | The kind that didn't automatically default to me agreeing with the post, therefore thinking that Blizzard is scouring my computer for porn, personal information and logging my AIM chats? |
| 17:04.02 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 17:04.21 | art3mis | |Jelly|: thats a great article eh? |
| 17:05.40 | |Jelly| | It's interesting, but like Cide said, if you don't like it, stop agreeing to the ToS/EULA and quit. It's really that simple. |
| 17:05.50 | art3mis | the main complaint isn't that its flexible or that they have a right to safe guard thier own software, the complaint is that they arent explaining WHAT it's doing or reassuring that there are safe guards to avoid possible abuse. |
| 17:06.25 | art3mis | im not saying "specifics" but essentially it has all the makings of a rootkit |
| 17:06.34 | Cide | one may or may not agree to what the warden does, but honestly, if you disagree to the point where you don't accept it, then don't play. there's no reason to complain, really |
| 17:06.37 | art3mis | which last time i checked was illegal ;P |
| 17:06.51 | |Jelly| | And the problem with that could be the way it is now, they could tell you one thing and it end up doing another. (If I'm understanding correctly) So in the end, Cide's solution is the best/only one. |
| 17:07.07 | art3mis | |Jelly|: nods thats more or less it |
| 17:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't like the weather, move. *shrug* |
| 17:08.37 | art3mis | and it's not a case of "don't play and stfu" it's more a case of if i had a software package that insalled malware on my machine and didnt tell me(which of course would be silly if it did tell me) the consumer has a right to privacy just as blizz has a right to safeguard thier stuff, but when it "CAN" be exploited in such a manner it's not a good thing |
| 17:08.55 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: it's not a simple black white discussion |
| 17:09.04 | art3mis | et's tke cog's hacked account as an example |
| 17:09.06 | art3mis | let's |
| 17:09.30 | |Jelly| | But at this very second, it is; I'd be willing to put money down that Blizzard isn't going to change it. |
| 17:09.37 | art3mis | that was more than likely done through some information gathered, he had no control or knowledge of it and there is a chance that it was from an "accepted" source |
| 17:09.46 | art3mis | oh yeah i don't doubt it |
| 17:09.50 | art3mis | short of a court order |
| 17:10.02 | art3mis | it's not WHAT it does |
| 17:10.22 | art3mis | it's what it CAN do and thier complete lack of ANY disclosure for the software installed. |
| 17:11.14 | art3mis | your EULA is to access the GAME, not to have thier safeguards scouring your computer |
| 17:11.14 | art3mis | you aren't giving them the right to do whatever the fuck they want on your machine just so you can install a game you paid money to play |
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| 17:11.15 | art3mis | shrug |
| 17:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | You can't control whether they disclose or what they do. So don't play the game if you don't want whatever they may or may not do. |
| 17:11.45 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: thats the most retarded and narrow minded argument to make ya know ;) |
| 17:12.04 | art3mis | the same can be said for anyone stupid enough to get spyware/virii and hacked |
| 17:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | Why thank you for your gracious insult to my intelligence. And theirs. |
| 17:12.14 | art3mis | well they had to have done something so they should suck it up |
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| 17:13.31 | art3mis | that like saying the home owners in socal were partially at fault for thier houses burning because they agreed to move into a house made of wood |
| 17:13.35 | Lopeppeppy | If you spend all your time worrying about what the game *might* do, your'e wasting precious brain cells. Decide if you care or not. If you care, don't play. If you don't care, or trust Blizzard not to sell your info on the street corner, keep playing. Blizz is under no obligation to explain how they go about wiping their asses in the bathroom of computer programming -- you have to decide as a consumer whether to care or not. |
| 17:13.47 | art3mis | err not aprtially, fully at faul |
| 17:13.48 | art3mis | t |
| 17:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, they are, art3mis. You accept risk in greater or lesser degree, with every choice you make. So make the choices based on risk, and stop complaining that someone else should hold your hand and explain every detail of the risk -- just empower yourself and choose on the basis of your own fact-finding. |
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| 17:14.43 | art3mis | thats the point lope |
| 17:14.49 | art3mis | there IS no external way to find out |
| 17:14.59 | art3mis | if there was this would be moot |
| 17:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | You know they made changes -- there's your external. You've got enough info to make a choice, you don't need Blizz to hold your hand and explain every detail of the risk. |
| 17:15.32 | art3mis | there is no way to check what it does validate that its not doing something bad, no sources to say so here's what it does and here's where it's limits are |
| 17:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | So that's your information -- make your risk assessment and your valuation and choose. |
| 17:16.09 | art3mis | wow |
| 17:16.40 | art3mis | i never realized that you were so uninformed/care free about such things. |
| 17:16.59 | Lopeppeppy | I never realized that you thought your value judgements of my mental processes mattered. |
| 17:18.03 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbNrI-ihxSM |
| 17:18.03 | Lopeppeppy | I can make a decision on whether to go to the beach based on if the wind feels cold and the sky is overcast -- I dont' need a weather forecaster and a million facts. I can decide for myself on my own info-gathering, however low tech. It's not rocket science to go with what you've got, if it's all you're getting. |
| 17:18.10 | |Jelly| | (that link is vulgar) |
| 17:18.17 | cog|work | art3mis: Lopeppeppy is right. Make a choice with the information you have. Feel free to try to persuade blizzard to give you more information, but it's still in your court at this point |
| 17:19.13 | art3mis | not really cog |
| 17:19.22 | cog|work | yes really |
| 17:19.31 | cog|work | they haven't violated any agreements with you |
| 17:19.39 | cog|work | if you don't like the agreement anymore, than rescind |
| 17:19.49 | cog|work | if you don't like pears, don't buy them... |
| 17:20.14 | art3mis | if you get into a taxi and he says gimme 15 bucks BEFORE the trip. then after you pay him he says oh btw ill need a blood sample a large binder of red paper and a banana to continue. |
| 17:20.17 | art3mis | i've paid money |
| 17:20.22 | |Jelly| | What about possibly infected with ecoli spinach?!?! :\ |
| 17:20.27 | art3mis | BEFORE i'f had the information |
| 17:20.38 | art3mis | under the assumption that it was a game |
| 17:20.41 | art3mis | i paid for the game |
| 17:20.48 | art3mis | i didnt pay for the malware attached to it |
| 17:20.49 | cog|work | art3mis: that's very different |
| 17:20.54 | art3mis | i didnt authorize the malware to be there |
| 17:20.57 | art3mis | no its not cog |
| 17:20.59 | cog|work | you have every right to take back your $15 bucks and get out of the cab |
| 17:21.01 | art3mis | it's exactly the same |
| 17:21.19 | cog|work | because you didn't agree to those terms |
| 17:21.21 | cog|work | when you got in |
| 17:21.41 | art3mis | i never agreed to blizz doing anything but protecting thier software |
| 17:21.44 | cog|work | you did agree to the terms blizzard set forth BEFORE you paid blizz |
| 17:22.26 | art3mis | in regards to thier game, nothing else |
| 17:22.41 | cog|work | art3mis: in regards to whatever their EULA & ToU says |
| 17:22.51 | cog|work | period |
| 17:23.05 | art3mis | within the limits of the law ;) |
| 17:23.18 | cog|work | obviously... |
| 17:23.25 | cog|work | if the scope of their EULA goes beyond what you're willing to allow, then don't agree |
| 17:23.32 | art3mis | do you think that if sopmeone codes a worm and has a eula attached to it that he wouldn't be liable for it spreading? |
| 17:23.40 | deltron | jeez don't play the game if you don't agree to the terms |
| 17:23.47 | art3mis | shush deltron |
| 17:24.05 | Polarina | art3mis: EULAs are limited by what is written in laws. |
| 17:24.28 | art3mis | polarina: correct, thats where the "potential" for abuse comes in |
| 17:24.37 | art3mis | and why its a discussed issue |
| 17:24.45 | cog|work | art3mis: not if you don't have to accept the EULA before executing the worm |
| 17:24.56 | MentalPower | art3mis: actually, if I write a worm and package it with a EULA and in that EULA it spells out exactly what the program does, I am not liable for nuking your PC |
| 17:24.59 | art3mis | cog|work: thats sorta what i meant ;) |
| 17:25.36 | cog|work | if the worm presents you with the choice to execute its malicious code and it presents you with an EULA and/or disclaimer of warranty explaining the risks, then yes |
| 17:25.41 | cog|work | they wouldn't be liable |
| 17:26.01 | cog|work | for the same reason Symantec isn't liable for your lost documents if you format your drive with partition magic |
| 17:26.13 | Polarina | MentalPower: Bear in mind that you are still responsible for the worm if it spreads to others computers without their respective owner agreeing to the EULA. |
| 17:26.52 | MentalPower | Polarina: correct, worm is a bad choice of words, malicious program is a better term |
| 17:26.58 | art3mis | MentalPower: technically/legally you are (in all cases cuz it's a felony) but for sake of argument, let's say the eula was as blizz's is and it says "we reserve the right to monitor you computer and report any information back." at no point does it tell you what info is being relaying nor does it explain what it does or WHY it's relaying. |
| 17:27.00 | deltron | I think it's absolutely hilarious that the bot coder is having a hissy fit because he can't track what warden does now, and he's raising it as a privacy issue |
| 17:27.19 | art3mis | deltron: it's not just him |
| 17:27.29 | cog|work | art3mis: if you agree to it then you agree to it. end of story |
| 17:27.39 | art3mis | and really this warden change is "more or less" the same as the sony dmr rookit stuff |
| 17:27.51 | art3mis | cog|work: nope not end of story, thats the point |
| 17:27.57 | deltron | you go by what is written in the EULA, I do not see it as a binding contract, but you can't play the game if you don't accept |
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| 17:28.13 | cog|work | you know full well that they don't specify what information they're gathering |
| 17:28.18 | MentalPower | art3mis: technically yes, but it cannot be used by anyone outside of blizz and you did agree to it |
| 17:28.19 | cog|work | and yet you still accept |
| 17:28.19 | art3mis | for most legal issues eula is a mostly binding contract |
| 17:28.27 | art3mis | MentalPower: right! |
| 17:28.53 | art3mis | but without the ability to check what it's doing or what info it's relaying you the end user are at a lose to make an informed descision. |
| 17:29.02 | art3mis | loss |
| 17:29.10 | cog|work | i don't even understand why there's an argument beyond "you agreed to it" |
| 17:29.11 | cog|work | everything else is fluff |
| 17:29.17 | cog|work | it's "i shouldn't have to agree to this to play the game" |
| 17:29.25 | cog|work | entitlement 4tl |
| 17:29.35 | MentalPower | art3mis: because you did not agree to have the right to monitor it |
| 17:29.42 | art3mis | it's my computer |
| 17:29.49 | art3mis | of course i have the right to monitor that ;) |
| 17:29.49 | Lopeppeppy | Cog|work -- I heartily agree. Entitlement FTL. |
| 17:29.58 | MentalPower | art3mis: tell that to the DRM folks |
| 17:30.10 | art3mis | fairuse ftw ;) |
| 17:30.10 | JoshBorke | anyone know of an addon that uses coroutines? |
| 17:30.16 | art3mis | coroutines? |
| 17:30.29 | Cide | JoshBorke: probably some scanning addons |
| 17:30.34 | cog|work | JoshBorke: I think auctioneer used them for scanning |
| 17:30.39 | MentalPower | art3mis: its still illegal to break the DRM, even for fair use (good ol DMCA) |
| 17:30.40 | JoshBorke | auctioneer doesn't |
| 17:30.44 | JoshBorke | they should |
| 17:30.46 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 17:30.47 | Cide | kirov had some addon that used them |
| 17:30.51 | cog|work | oh |
| 17:30.56 | JoshBorke | yea, kirov is who i need to talk to |
| 17:30.58 | Cide | (where the hell is he anyway?) |
| 17:31.00 | JoshBorke | he never released that addon |
| 17:31.02 | JoshBorke | ~seen kirov |
| 17:31.03 | purl | kirov <n=Kirov@c-71-198-140-70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 18d 23h 25m 32s ago, saying: 'Anyone know if the downloaded version of BC is any more up to date than the original store bought version?'. |
| 17:31.04 | Polarina | Last time I used Auctioneer, it didn't. Or at least it made my game freeze for 25 sec. after it finished the scanning. |
| 17:31.18 | JoshBorke | cog|work: pwned |
| 17:31.19 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 17:31.21 | art3mis | MentalPower: much like tis agaisnt the law not to disclose the safeguards, the information gathered, and the bounds within which a piece of software works ;) |
| 17:31.42 | JoshBorke | i mean, i could try to guess where to find it |
| 17:31.45 | JoshBorke | but i'd never find it |
| 17:31.56 | cog|work | art3mis: then sue |
| 17:32.00 | cog|work | if it's illegal |
| 17:32.08 | cog|work | you have recourse |
| 17:32.14 | JoshBorke | i am going to try to make auctioneer use coroutines to process the pages |
| 17:32.33 | Polarina | JoshBorke: Use the 2.3 function to fetch all items in one go. |
| 17:32.44 | JoshBorke | Polarina: i did, and promptly locked up and got DC'd |
| 17:32.56 | Polarina | JoshBorke: ? |
| 17:33.01 | JoshBorke | Polarina: with auctioneer |
| 17:33.22 | Polarina | JoshBorke: What do you mean? |
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| 17:33.36 | art3mis | kd3|still`lagged: go nuts, we're not having a heated arguement we're discussing theoretical "what ifs" ;) |
| 17:33.53 | MentalPower | Polarina: that function is broken on blizz's side |
| 17:33.59 | art3mis | cog|work: funny enough someone is ;) |
| 17:34.05 | Polarina | MentalPower: Oh, I see. |
| 17:34.12 | art3mis | you did read the article right? |
| 17:34.29 | Polarina | MentalPower: Does Blizzard know about that problem? |
| 17:34.43 | MentalPower | yes, and its already "fixed" server-side |
| 17:34.54 | Polarina | MentalPower: So it is working now? |
| 17:35.15 | MentalPower | no, its disabled |
| 17:35.20 | Polarina | MentalPower: Why? |
| 17:35.25 | MentalPower | cause its broken |
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| 17:35.38 | Polarina | MentalPower: You said they just fixed it... |
| 17:35.47 | cladhaire | they "fixed" it |
| 17:35.49 | cladhaire | by disabling it. |
| 17:35.52 | MentalPower | no, I said they "fixed" it |
| 17:35.55 | cog|work | art3mis: didn't need to to address the conversation in this channel ... |
| 17:35.58 | JoshBorke | what was the problem? or should i just check the forums? |
| 17:36.06 | MentalPower | what cladhaire said |
| 17:36.11 | KarlThePagan | is anyone here investigating the guild bank interface? |
| 17:36.29 | cog|work | art3mis: i'd be pissed if they win. |
| 17:36.32 | Polarina | Ah, sorry... |
| 17:36.32 | art3mis | cog|work: well ya sorta did to understand the point of the conversation to start with ;) |
| 17:37.21 | cog|work | people who mooch like that disgust me. You fucking agreed to the EULA. If it's too vague for you then don't agree. Why does it have to be more than that? |
| 17:37.41 | cog|work | you don't have the right to play WoW |
| 17:38.19 | cladhaire | Do we have any information on the personal ratings yet, and how they work? |
| 17:38.20 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968228061&sid=1 |
| 17:38.22 | Cide | ouch. :/ |
| 17:39.01 | Cide | cladhaire: pretty sure them blues have explained them fairly well |
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| 17:39.07 | art3mis | hehe its funny watching the BW monitor at the office |
| 17:39.23 | cladhaire | Cide: I haven't read them, and I was also asking about UI/API support for them |
| 17:39.27 | art3mis | steady 200KB/s then lunch hits and it's below 1kB |
| 17:39.30 | cladhaire | have any links, or places i should look? |
| 17:39.35 | Cide | cladhaire: ah, no idea about ui/api support |
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| 17:40.05 | Cide | just the sites that log blue posts for information, really |
| 17:40.15 | Cide | or www.mmo-champion.com / worldofraids.com |
| 17:41.45 | cladhaire | k k |
| 17:42.07 | Cide | as far as I know, they work just like the current team ratings |
| 17:42.15 | Cide | except every team member gets a personal rating of 1500 when they join the team |
| 17:42.34 | cladhaire | ok |
| 17:42.35 | Cide | which then goes up and down with every match, depending on the difference between the personal rating and the other team's rating |
| 17:42.51 | Cide | if it differs too much from the team's overall rating, no points (I think) |
| 17:42.59 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 17:43.19 | cladhaire | ZOMG NERF PRIESTS |
| 17:43.27 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: neva |
| 17:43.34 | JoshBorke | btw, epic geared tanks pwn |
| 17:43.47 | cladhaire | ? |
| 17:43.52 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/233fd57b4c7df3043d11ad9e21c824d2.png |
| 17:43.59 | cladhaire | that ss clearly shows that priests are op |
| 17:44.03 | cog|work | art3mis: how about this analogy: You want to drive my Ferrari. I say OK, but you have to let me into your house where i will take pictures. I assure you none of these pictures will be provided to anyone else. You agree. You drive my car, i go into your house and take pictures of you desk drawer where you have sensitive documents. |
| 17:44.05 | cog|work | How in the hell am I in the wrong as long as i keep my word not to give the pictures to anyone else? |
| 17:44.16 | JoshBorke | epic geared prot tank + n00b prot paladin + n00b warlock killed durn |
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| 17:44.42 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 17:44.43 | cog|work | If you want me to stop taking pictures, then get out of my car. |
| 17:44.47 | cog|work | hey cncfanatics |
| 17:44.51 | |Jelly| | hai |
| 17:45.05 | JoshBorke | durn is an excellent target for me to practice takning on |
| 17:45.10 | Intangir | intangir.org/gallery2 |
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| 17:46.21 | deltron | shadowform murloc? |
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| 17:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | I want one of those. *laugh* |
| 17:47.38 | cladhaire | deltron: indeed. |
| 17:47.44 | cladhaire | you can now be disguised in shadowform |
| 17:47.52 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:47.53 | KarlThePagan | ooo... |
| 17:48.00 | KarlThePagan | shadowform deviate |
| 17:48.07 | KarlThePagan | pirates & skeletons oh my |
| 17:48.09 | JoshBorke | bout damn time |
| 17:48.11 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 17:48.21 | KarlThePagan | shadowform arokka costume! |
| 17:48.21 | JoshBorke | i was sick and tired of losing shadow form when flying into nethrewing |
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| 17:48.34 | KarlThePagan | hell i reported that as a bug |
| 17:48.56 | KarlThePagan | stealin mah mana |
| 17:49.39 | Josh|Class | apparently this name is registered? o.O |
| 17:49.48 | Josh|Class | nope |
| 17:51.16 | art3mis | cog|work: that would be valid but replace "house" with "room" and you leave said room and go take pictures of my bedroom closet my kitchen and the contents of my basement, without my knowledge |
| 17:51.25 | cog|work | umm no |
| 17:51.30 | art3mis | umm yes |
| 17:51.43 | cog|work | show me where in the EULA it limits itself to one particular aspect of the computer? |
| 17:51.44 | clad|away | what is this argument about? |
| 17:51.52 | art3mis | eula ONLY applies to the software it's attached to |
| 17:51.55 | MentalPower | clad|away: warden |
| 17:52.03 | cog|work | art3mis: wrong |
| 17:52.07 | cog|work | very very wrong |
| 17:52.08 | art3mis | no cog right |
| 17:52.20 | art3mis | LEGALLY it only pertains to the software it's attached to |
| 17:52.29 | cog|work | if that were the case, no piece of software would ever be able to edit any documents |
| 17:52.49 | MentalPower | (or talk to any other program) |
| 17:52.50 | art3mis | i can't make a blanket eula that says i have the right to do wha i want when i want to any portion of your computer without additional consent |
| 17:52.57 | cog|work | yes you do |
| 17:53.02 | cog|work | s/do/can/ |
| 17:53.11 | art3mis | nope not LEGALLY |
| 17:53.19 | cog|work | so how can Partition Magic be legal? |
| 17:53.19 | art3mis | not without disclosure that you're doing it |
| 17:53.25 | cog|work | in can wipe out an entire operating system |
| 17:53.42 | cog|work | WTF are you smoking? they DO DISCLOSE IT |
| 17:53.46 | art3mis | because partition magic does a specific function explains in white papers and patents how and what it does |
| 17:53.46 | cog|work | that's what the eula is |
| 17:53.54 | cog|work | it discloses the fact that it may scan your computer for threats |
| 17:54.03 | Fin | art3mis is right, but not explaining himself very well I think |
| 17:54.12 | art3mis | oh you mean like how the us is fighting "terror" ? |
| 17:54.18 | Fin | most EULAs won't stand up in court |
| 17:54.33 | cog|work | Fin: that's a myth |
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| 17:54.39 | cog|work | most EULAs aren't tested in court |
| 17:54.42 | art3mis | the eula's will stand up in court provided the case is related to the specific aspects of said software |
| 17:54.48 | cog|work | companies usually settle before it gets to that point |
| 17:55.04 | Fin | cog|work: I've read about it, and not from what I can tell - can you dispel this myth? |
| 17:55.09 | art3mis | if it does stuff outside the scope of the elua and doesnt disclose it's doing so thats where the problem comes in |
| 17:55.25 | Fin | right, because they don't want their EULAs tested |
| 17:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | I've read about it as well, Fin -- varies by location and court, honestly. |
| 17:56.01 | art3mis | if i install firewall software or antivirus, and then install another piece of software that then disables said firewall and virus scanner without my consent sot hat it can "protect" itself that would be outside of the eula |
| 17:56.03 | Fin | amd the content of the EULA, I would've thought |
| 17:56.10 | Fin | it depends what they're trying to enforce |
| 17:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | art3mis, your definition of "scope" and someone else's definition are not the same, me thinks. |
| 17:56.21 | cog|work | art3mis: not if it tells you it's going to do that |
| 17:56.27 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: thats possible yeah |
| 17:56.37 | Fin | if they're trying to enforce a clause which is contradicts your statutory rights as a human being, it's not likely to be accepted as legally binding |
| 17:56.49 | cog|work | Fin: that's not at issue |
| 17:57.00 | art3mis | cog|work: those above actions can be covered in legalese by saying "our software takes step to protect itself" |
| 17:57.02 | Fin | I can't write an EULA that says "you have to give me your left testicle" and actually expect to get your ball |
| 17:57.26 | art3mis | protects itself from my packet monioring and signature checking? |
| 17:57.32 | art3mis | yup thats right! |
| 17:57.39 | cog|work | and for the record I disagree with most of those statutes. If you agree to something stupid, you have to live with the result |
| 17:57.55 | Fin | cog|work: but isn't most of the stuff in the EULA against that? like, not making backups and stuff - aren't you allowed to by copyright law? (as an example) |
| 17:58.23 | art3mis | fin: most cover liability and tampering |
| 17:58.32 | art3mis | for thier software |
| 17:58.33 | cog|work | art3mis: that's irrelevant... blizzard does tell you what they do... they read info off your computer to look for hacks. |
| 17:59.00 | art3mis | uh huh, thats just it how nebulous is that statement |
| 17:59.02 | Fin | I think, in a court of law, it would come down to whether the company has made a good-faith effort at informing their customer of the restrictions they place on use of their software |
| 17:59.32 | cog|work | Fin: you mean like having a clear, english EULA presented to you when you install the game and again after every patch? |
| 17:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | That covers things nicely, Cogwheel. *hug* |
| 17:59.54 | cog|work | seems like a good faith effort at informing their customer... |
| 18:00.05 | Fin | cog|work: that's one way of arguing it; another would be that EULAs are so commonly disregarded today that this isn't enough to warrant a "good-faith effort" |
| 18:00.25 | Fin | but |
| 18:00.28 | Fin | I'm not a court |
| 18:00.29 | cog|work | Why should the city be responsible for car accidents if people disregard traffic lights? |
| 18:00.30 | art3mis | technically a backdoor'd piece of search software is doing that.. let's say you download software that does a duplicat mp3 check.. and when you isntall it it says that it will be scanning your drive and relaying information, it then proceeds to not only scan for mp3s but transfers all your cached passwords email other software codes etc to some place off site/ |
| 18:00.39 | art3mis | would the maker be liable for that? |
| 18:00.48 | clad|away | nothing wow does can be deemed as malicious, or an invasion of privacy |
| 18:00.56 | Fin | actually, a good example of this was the rootkit on those Sony CDs, no? |
| 18:01.04 | art3mis | exactly fin |
| 18:01.05 | clad|away | Fin: which was malicious |
| 18:01.11 | clad|away | blatantly malicious |
| 18:01.13 | cog|work | Fin: was there an agreement? |
| 18:01.14 | clad|away | there was no "software" to run |
| 18:01.28 | Fin | clad|away: it wasn't, it was copy protection :) |
| 18:01.35 | clad|away | no, that's why Sony lost. |
| 18:01.40 | clad|away | because it was malicious software |
| 18:01.43 | clad|away | used as copy protection |
| 18:01.45 | clad|away | plain and simple. |
| 18:01.48 | art3mis | cog|work: on the cd case saying something about opening is an agreement |
| 18:01.53 | Fin | OK, look, I don't want to argue about that |
| 18:02.04 | art3mis | clad|away: it's not malicious no |
| 18:02.06 | clad|away | yes it is |
| 18:02.13 | Fin | I don't agree but it's obvious nobody's going to change their mind :) |
| 18:02.14 | clad|away | and its not analagous to warden in the least |
| 18:02.28 | art3mis | the point is that without knowing what it does and where the limits are we can never be 100% sure that it will remain that way |
| 18:02.30 | clad|away | its a invalid comparison |
| 18:02.42 | Fin | mmm |
| 18:02.43 | clad|away | art3mis: and you have the right to protect yourself |
| 18:02.46 | clad|away | by disabling warden |
| 18:02.50 | clad|away | or writing software that watchs it |
| 18:02.52 | Fin | liqorice sweets rule |
| 18:02.58 | art3mis | clad|away: thats exactly the point! |
| 18:02.58 | clad|away | and what you risk, is thde right to use the software, plain and simple. |
| 18:03.06 | clad|away | you agree to let them scan your computer |
| 18:03.14 | clad|away | and you have the right to avoid that, or watch what they're doing to ensure |
| 18:03.20 | clad|away | or you can simply not use the software |
| 18:03.22 | clad|away | or buy the CD |
| 18:03.23 | art3mis | we ca no longer watch ;) |
| 18:03.25 | art3mis | can |
| 18:03.33 | art3mis | or rather at rpesent can no longer watch |
| 18:03.38 | clad|away | why not? |
| 18:03.41 | MentalPower | the governator doesn't work anymore? |
| 18:03.42 | clad|away | define that please |
| 18:03.44 | clad|away | before i leave |
| 18:03.48 | art3mis | because of the latest updates to it |
| 18:03.50 | clad|away | what happens when you try |
| 18:03.54 | art3mis | someon linky that url |
| 18:04.02 | Fin | what url? |
| 18:04.05 | clad|away | THEN STOP PLAYING WOW UNTIL THEY CAN |
| 18:04.07 | clad|away | ;-) |
| 18:04.08 | clad|away | problem solved |
| 18:04.11 | clad|away | this shouldn't even be an argument |
| 18:04.11 | art3mis | onwarden.blogspot.com i think |
| 18:04.46 | cog|work | if you feel the wording of the eula is too vague then don't agree. Why is it more complicated than that? |
| 18:04.48 | art3mis | http://onwarden.blogspot.com/2007/11/storm-is-brewing.html |
| 18:05.10 | art3mis | clad|away: ^^^ thats what this is all in reference to ;) |
| 18:05.13 | clad|away | yes i know |
| 18:05.14 | clad|away | so don't use wow |
| 18:05.18 | clad|away | no argument necessary |
| 18:05.36 | cog|work | again, you don't have the right to play WoW. It's a privilege Blizzard allows you in exchange for agreeing to their terms. |
| 18:05.46 | art3mis | and paying them |
| 18:05.55 | cog|work | that's part of the terms... |
| 18:06.38 | clad|away | if you think they're become the wow gestapo, then you can stop playing |
| 18:06.44 | clad|away | and you're allowed to be pissed off |
| 18:06.52 | clad|away | you're also allowed to agree to the terms, and play the game. |
| 18:07.25 | cog|work | anything beyond that is just spoiled brattiness imo |
| 18:07.36 | cog|work | I'm of the STFU go play something else crowd |
| 18:07.44 | clad|away | ive gotta run to dinner |
| 18:07.45 | clad|away | night all |
| 18:07.46 | clad|away | bbl |
| 18:07.47 | cog|work | or try to convince blizzard to change |
| 18:08.51 | cog|work | disagree all you want with what they're doing |
| 18:08.59 | cog|work | nothing wrong with that |
| 18:09.09 | cog|work | but feeling you're entitled to something more than what you agreed to is immature |
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| 18:15.01 | cog|work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 14.A and 14.B are actually a lot clearer than you make them out to be. |
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| 18:28.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're bound to be squirming over the warden changes |
| 18:28.26 | Thunder_Child | heh "It is not possible to FD + Drink anymore during many raid encounters." |
| 18:30.05 | Thunder_Child | havent seen "Interactive items like quest items now have a glow around them making them easier to find." yet |
| 18:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | Things sparkle, Thunder_Child. |
| 18:30.49 | darkylow | i'm going ask a dumb question :whats glider |
| 18:31.03 | Cide | wait |
| 18:31.03 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, eh? |
| 18:31.10 | Cide | are you banned from google or something, darkylow? |
| 18:31.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a terms-of-service breaking program that you want nothing to do with, darkylow |
| 18:31.25 | darkylow | ah ok, nope |
| 18:31.40 | Cide | it's a program that plays your character (well, grinds with your character) |
| 18:31.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used to use it and i'm not proud, but it's fun to read their forums when warden changes, etc come up :D |
| 18:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a respect for the lead of it but that's about it |
| 18:32.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's incredibly nice and doesn't seem to be in it to "stick it to the man" at all |
| 18:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder-Child : The line you quoted comes out in game reality as things being sparkly. |
| 18:33.34 | Thunder_Child | ah....still havent noticed that though...oh well |
| 18:33.54 | Lopeppeppy | You might have your spell detail turned down, etc? I expect lower video options won't show it. |
| 18:34.08 | Thunder_Child | i'm max out in options |
| 18:34.15 | Thunder_Child | s/in/in video/ |
| 18:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I've seen it, it's more than obnoxious around herbs. |
| 18:34.53 | Thunder_Child | ohh....that...i thought that was part of the quest thing |
| 18:35.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know what word needs to return to usage |
| 18:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | "twain" |
| 18:35.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | as in I SHALL RIP YOUR SOUL IN TWAIN AND DEVOUR IT LIKE A DELCIOUS BARBECUE |
| 18:35.48 | Thunder_Child | as in "split in two"? |
| 18:36.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 18:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | as in two, basically, just a fancy way of saying in two or in half or whatever |
| 18:36.56 | zenzelezz | leave Twain out of this, he was a nice chap |
| 18:37.12 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 18:37.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/twain |
| 18:37.36 | Esamynn|Work | you know, it's rather scary that this sort of conversation is typical of the lounge :P |
| 18:37.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | Twain's one of my favorite authors of all time :D |
| 18:38.00 | zenzelezz | it would be so much more fun if people didn't always misunderstand (or choose to misunderstand) my plays on words |
| 18:38.18 | Esamynn|Work | nah, it would probably be less fun |
| 18:38.34 | zenzelezz | if they made good retorts it would be |
| 18:38.39 | zenzelezz | linking a dictionary is FAIL |
| 18:39.29 | Thunder_Child | ya, use purl at least |
| 18:39.33 | Thunder_Child | ~dict Twain |
| 18:39.41 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 18:40.00 | zenzelezz | I've had people try to convince me I mean "twice" when I say "thrice"... always fun when they realize it's a real word |
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| 18:42.30 | kd3|tor | huzzah, slightly less laggy connection, hopefully |
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| 18:43.07 | zenzelezz | hm, didn't know you can inspect yourself |
| 18:43.57 | Thunder_Child | you need to start looking at yourself more |
| 18:44.28 | zenzelezz | didn't try it until someone said viewing someone's talents in the inspect window is partially bugged |
| 18:45.03 | Thunder_Child | i do it because my inspection mod shows interesting things |
| 18:49.19 | kd3 | shame that I have to resort to tor just to get around the packet filtering |
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| 19:14.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk: ping maybeh? |
| 19:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | I think she went to bed, Shirik. |
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| 19:15.24 | Daede | hmm |
| 19:15.30 | Daede | wowi fall down go boom? |
| 19:17.45 | bleeter | indeed |
| 19:17.58 | bleeter | names |
| 19:18.00 | bleeter | bah |
| 19:18.04 | Lopeppeppy | I forget who she said was on duty for that..... |
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| 19:18.18 | bleeter | Beladona, dolby-wowi ? |
| 19:18.27 | Lopeppeppy | dolby-wowi, yeah. |
| 19:18.42 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: wowi go boom @ index2.php 'problem with db' |
| 19:20.15 | bleeter | Wobwor1: that's all fine, but is Gillard wearing pants?! |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik|Ecole | bleeter: it's back :) |
| 19:23.59 | Shirik|Ecole | (/cheer) |
| 19:25.14 | Shirik|Ecole | timtams? |
| 19:26.05 | bleeter | best chockie biscuit evah |
| 19:26.17 | Shirik|Ecole | chockie biscuit? |
| 19:26.43 | Shirik|Ecole | no... |
| 19:26.50 | bleeter | ~wiki timtam |
| 19:27.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm so confused by your definition of "biscuit" |
| 19:27.31 | Shirik|Ecole | When I hear "biscuit" I think piece of bread with butter |
| 19:28.02 | darkylow | WOULDN'T THAT BE JUST BREAD AND BUTTER/ |
| 19:28.04 | darkylow | ack! |
| 19:28.05 | Lunessa | biscuit in the British version of English is more like what you and I would call a cookie. |
| 19:28.07 | darkylow | sftc |
| 19:28.10 | darkylow | sorry for the caps |
| 19:28.11 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 19:28.14 | Shirik|Ecole | it would be a biscuit obviously |
| 19:28.22 | Shirik|Ecole | buttermilk biscuit = <3 <3 |
| 19:28.43 | darkylow | tim tams = teh yum |
| 19:28.55 | Lunessa | http://southernfood.about.com/od/biscuitrecipes/r/bl60127b.htm |
| 19:29.08 | Lunessa | mmmmm..... |
| 19:31.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa <3 |
| 19:31.22 | Lunessa | With gravy... or jam ... or just lots of butter. |
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| 19:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | That is so for dinner tonight, with KFC. |
| 19:33.28 | darkylow | heh |
| 19:33.43 | darkylow | quite indulgent |
| 19:38.59 | art3mis | mmmm |
| 19:39.16 | art3mis | i wish i had flour without having to elave my house |
| 19:40.06 | cog|work | my mother-in-law grinds her own wheat |
| 19:40.38 | Shirik|Ecole | ouch |
| 19:40.44 | Shirik|Ecole | so I teach this lab with one other person, right? |
| 19:40.59 | cog|work | no |
| 19:41.08 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I just heard him say to someone, "If you don't know how to create an object right now, you're going to have a real problem on the test next week" |
| 19:41.20 | Shirik|Ecole | s/right/by/ |
| 19:41.42 | cog|work | hmm |
| 19:42.02 | Shirik|Ecole | and he's right, really, they should have known that two months ago >< |
| 19:42.06 | art3mis | "im not a magician geez!" |
| 19:42.14 | krka | what language? |
| 19:42.25 | cog|work | what gender? |
| 19:42.28 | art3mis | mmm i love reece puffs for snack food |
| 19:42.37 | Shirik|Ecole | krka: Java |
| 19:43.09 | Shirik|Ecole | given that objects are pretty much everywhere in Java... yeah... |
| 19:43.11 | krka | just use an ObjectFactorBuilder for that |
| 19:43.19 | krka | *factory |
| 19:43.41 | Shirik|Ecole | -_- |
| 19:43.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I meant in the generic sense |
| 19:43.46 | krka | ObjectFactoryBuilder.getInstance().getBuilder().getFactory().getObject() |
| 19:44.07 | krka | needs more enterprise! |
| 19:44.24 | art3mis | you fergot sudo touch boobies |
| 19:44.47 | cog|work | speaking of boobies, i was not expecting so many in Bloodrayne... |
| 19:44.50 | krka | sudo get me a sandwich |
| 19:44.55 | art3mis | br2? |
| 19:45.02 | cog|work | the movie >< |
| 19:45.04 | art3mis | oh |
| 19:45.14 | art3mis | yeah thats about the only redeeming factor of the movie |
| 19:45.45 | art3mis | the second has more boobies bit no kristin lokken |
| 19:46.16 | art3mis | hehe first time i played god of war 2 i was laughing at the 3some scene |
| 19:46.28 | art3mis | you get like bonus points and to teach you the cut scene controls |
| 19:46.44 | art3mis | so he goes to 2 naked chicks in a hottub and there's moaning n stuff ;P |
| 19:46.52 | art3mis | "wow you really are a god!" |
| 19:48.17 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: ping |
| 19:49.55 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: pong |
| 19:51.45 | Shirik|Ecole | heya |
| 19:51.49 | Shirik|Ecole | please correct my insanity |
| 19:52.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I tried out CoH for the first time yesterday and I wasn't absolutely impressed, but I'm not sure it could have been for two reasons: |
| 19:52.37 | Shirik|Ecole | (1) Because it was ZA and ZA has limited uses for it, or |
| 19:53.00 | Shirik|Ecole | (2) I was using it way too frequently as it was a new ability I was having fun with, and I need to remember to keep using gheal and all that as I was |
| 19:55.54 | Cide | I haven't been into ZA so I have no idea about the encounters there |
| 19:56.16 | Cide | but it's obviously more useful in encounters with lots of damage thrown around (especially aoe damage) |
| 19:56.27 | Cide | and yeah, it doesn't really shine in a 10 man setting |
| 19:56.35 | Cide | since you can prayer of healing 50% of the people anyway |
| 19:56.44 | Cide | can't do the same in 25 man raids |
| 19:57.19 | Lunessa | I don't have Circle of Healing, but I can see it being really useful for making 25-man raid group composition easier. |
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| 20:03.55 | art3mis | coh and poh are great fun for that guy in kara |
| 20:04.08 | art3mis | stand at his feet and spam it ;P |
| 20:05.34 | Lunessa | When I fist saw Prayer of Mending, I thought... meh. Now, it's my favorite heal. |
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| 20:06.44 | art3mis | hehe pom is soooooooooo much fun |
| 20:06.54 | art3mis | after a while it becomes a game |
| 20:07.37 | AnduinLothar | i thought is WAS a game |
| 20:07.51 | art3mis | wow or pom? |
| 20:07.57 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 20:07.58 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean, it's interesting yes |
| 20:08.02 | Shirik|Ecole | but like |
| 20:08.06 | art3mis | pom is totally a game after a while of using it.. wow is a lifestyle |
| 20:08.07 | Shirik|Ecole | it's healing for 1k |
| 20:08.14 | Shirik|Ecole | it's instant and cheap, I'll give it that |
| 20:08.20 | Shirik|Ecole | but usually I need a bit more than that :/ |
| 20:08.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno, I'll play with it more I guess |
| 20:08.28 | art3mis | soon we'll just have BlizzDomes(tm) and all like in there with intravenous nutrients |
| 20:08.35 | Josh|Class | pom rocks |
| 20:08.54 | Josh|Class | i use it just because our tanks suck ;-) |
| 20:08.56 | art3mis | Shirik|Ecole: its more that it can jump 5 times during its duration |
| 20:09.17 | art3mis | the game is to see who can grab it on the first jump and keep it til it expires ;P |
| 20:09.18 | kd3 | gah. I need to change my typeface. I keep seing "porn" every time someone says "pom" |
| 20:10.10 | AnduinLothar | same |
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| 20:11.24 | Shirik|Ecole | art3mis: no |
| 20:11.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm talking about CoH |
| 20:11.31 | Shirik|Ecole | POM is by far my favorite heal also |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I love it |
| 20:11.40 | Shirik|Ecole | it's the sole reason I have healing prayers talent |
| 20:13.15 | Polarina | Damit! Why didn't Blizzard fix the Undead Female Main-hand glitch? |
| 20:13.15 | Industrial | hmm isnt mouseover/out 'OnEnter' and 'OnLeave' in a SetScript? |
| 20:13.35 | Shirik|Ecole | Industrial: OnMouseEnter |
| 20:13.37 | Shirik|Ecole | iirc |
| 20:13.53 | Industrial | k |
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| 20:14.20 | Industrial | nah |
| 20:14.49 | Industrial | doesnt work :S (the mouseovering) http://pastey.net/77344 |
| 20:14.56 | Industrial | made a little info bar :D |
| 20:15.12 | Lunessa | kd3: That's a benefit, not a detriment. |
| 20:15.37 | Industrial | Shirik|Ecole: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnEnter |
| 20:15.39 | Industrial | :S |
| 20:15.50 | Shirik|Ecole | my bad =( |
| 20:15.59 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 20:16.47 | kd3 | hm. I wonder if I can get wow to use tor to get around the firewall |
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| 20:19.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Industrial: Does it not work? |
| 20:19.38 | Kaso | kd3, theres a program called SocksCap which allows you to force a winsocks application to use a SOCKS proxy |
| 20:20.39 | Industrial | Shirik|Ecole: no :S |
| 20:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | just a guess |
| 20:21.34 | Shirik|Ecole | but do you need to call EnableMouse() ? |
| 20:22.36 | Shirik|Ecole | this is why I let Cidan do the GUI stuff :D |
| 20:22.53 | Cide | yup |
| 20:23.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 20:23.00 | JoshBorke | for OnEnter you need to enable mouse |
| 20:23.04 | Cide | use Button or EnableMouse |
| 20:23.12 | Cide | for onenter |
| 20:23.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 20:23.18 | Industrial | ah button, right |
| 20:23.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought you were responding to 152:222:34 12Shirik|Ecole12 this is why I let Cidan do the GUI stuff :D |
| 20:23.24 | Shirik|Ecole | =/ |
| 20:23.55 | Industrial | hehe |
| 20:23.55 | Cide | EnableMouse is better if you won't click on it |
| 20:23.55 | Cide | or use it as a button |
| 20:25.11 | fridg | cidan's a noob, true story |
| 20:25.20 | Cide | agreed |
| 20:30.43 | zenzelezz | FFS, the UI keeps insisting I use my Naaru title even though I keep saying "None" |
| 20:30.59 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 20:31.37 | Polarina | What was the command to enable the taint log? |
| 20:31.45 | kd3 | lmao... a mob has a weapon with lifestealing |
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| 20:48.22 | zenzelezz | so we're still learning Kael'thas, going phase 3 |
| 20:48.28 | zenzelezz | Your skill in Daggers has increased to 2. |
| 20:48.31 | zenzelezz | Your skill in Daggers has increased to 3. |
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| 20:54.11 | Thunder_Child | your lvling daggers while fighting Kael'thas, zenzelezz? |
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| 20:57.40 | zenzelezz | no, just forgot I hadn't ever used daggers |
| 20:57.55 | deltron | raiding rogue never used daggers? |
| 20:57.56 | deltron | wut? |
| 20:58.51 | zenzelezz | who said I was a rogue? |
| 20:59.26 | deltron | oh |
| 20:59.50 | deltron | read too much into it heh |
| 20:59.55 | deltron | what class? |
| 20:59.56 | art3mis | zenzelezz: well obvious you're a rogue or horde shammy since only those two people use daggers ;) |
| 21:00.13 | art3mis | err horde druid |
| 21:00.16 | zenzelezz | I'm a prot warrior on de-MC + phoenix duty |
| 21:00.40 | deltron | ah.. |
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| 21:01.03 | a-stray-cat | anyone know if theres a way to get the name of an item when you use it? |
| 21:01.14 | a-stray-cat | like a function i can hook, or some event that gives off the name? |
| 21:01.35 | art3mis | wierd |
| 21:01.39 | art3mis | im missing 500mb |
| 21:01.59 | Kaso | a-stray-cat there are a few functions you need to hook for that i recons |
| 21:02.16 | a-stray-cat | im having trouble finding them |
| 21:02.53 | zenzelezz | "It's been 5 days since I sent payment and still no answer. Respond to this email through ebay's system or you will be banned from ebay and mostlikely go to jail for stealing my money!" <-- I just can't feel pity for people who fall for this |
| 21:03.08 | a-stray-cat | ah, i see UseInventoryItem |
| 21:03.09 | Kaso | UseInventoryItem, UseContainerItem at least a-stray-cat |
| 21:03.15 | a-stray-cat | thankie |
| 21:03.20 | a-stray-cat | ill give those a shot |
| 21:03.28 | Kaso | maybe also need to do UseAction |
| 21:04.10 | Kaso | i know you used to have to do useaction as well, but with all the changes since i last did it it may have changed |
| 21:05.37 | Kaso | Also you need to do "UseItemByName" a-stray-cat |
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| 21:07.52 | a-stray-cat | ah |
| 21:07.54 | a-stray-cat | thanks |
| 21:11.48 | a-stray-cat | still have to pick up useaction, i guess |
| 21:12.00 | a-stray-cat | thanks again |
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| 21:17.46 | art3mis | http://www.cbc.ca.nyud.net/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taservideo.html w...t...f |
| 21:18.45 | art3mis | full video of the incident |
| 21:18.50 | art3mis | including his death |
| 21:19.11 | art3mis | and the spokesman for the rcmp's statements about it dont even match up with what happened |
| 21:19.14 | art3mis | on video |
| 21:19.37 | deltron | nice |
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| 21:20.52 | deltron | don't taze me broski! |
| 21:21.49 | art3mis | http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taservideo.html incase the other doesnt work |
| 21:23.22 | kergoth | anyone else seeing LoadManagers act up? |
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| 21:29.45 | bleeter | so the morbent fel quest is no longer a group quest, but the mob's still elite :/ |
| 21:30.11 | deltron | I thought elites were made easier to solo |
| 21:32.12 | Cide | haha, wow, this is awesome |
| 21:32.18 | art3mis | Indifference: It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face. |
| 21:32.22 | Cide | The "goes toward" operator: |
| 21:32.29 | Cide | while(count --> 0) foo(); |
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| 21:38.30 | |Jelly| | Went from being a welding shop helper to a waiter in two days. I win. |
| 21:42.08 | TC-Holding | figures...right after wow crashed, windows crashed |
| 21:42.19 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 21:42.56 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i think that makes my 24th BSoD |
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| 21:43.30 | art3mis | today? |
| 21:43.47 | Thunder_Child | since 5/somthing/07 |
| 21:43.51 | Thunder_Child | something* |
| 21:43.57 | art3mis | wow |
| 21:44.02 | art3mis | thats pretty good |
| 21:44.26 | art3mis | i dont get blue screens on my machine |
| 21:44.30 | art3mis | i get hard locks |
| 21:44.39 | art3mis | it's much less annoying ;) |
| 21:44.45 | Polarina | >>> while(count ---> 0) foo(); |
| 21:44.47 | Thunder_Child | how so? |
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| 21:52.57 | art3mis | well i can still see things on my screen so ive im just reading a webpage i can at least finish it ;) |
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| 21:53.25 | Polarina | ROFL -> http://www.wowblues.com/us/in-05-seconds-i-can-do-2856197761.html |
| 21:54.53 | deltron | yeah I saw that |
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| 21:54.54 | Polarina | Why everyone left? Did I do something wrong? *panic* |
| 21:54.54 | |Jelly| | GOD DAMNIT! I thought we told you to keep your finger off the big red button! |
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| 21:56.47 | Polarina | Ups... My mistake. |
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| 22:01.42 | Thunder_Child | does periodic damage change if the scorch debuff is applied after? |
| 22:02.08 | art3mis | They don't report to Blizzard what you're running, they just do a comparison. Someone checked it out thoroughly when it first came out and it's innocuous. |
| 22:02.08 | art3mis | oops |
| 22:02.08 | Kaso | Thunder_Child, pretty sure not |
| 22:02.43 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 22:02.43 | Kaso | i know if i dot a mob then PI myself i wont get extradamage on my dot |
| 22:02.43 | art3mis | my currnet home speed is 6.38 Mbit/s |
| 22:02.43 | art3mis | www.bandwidthplace.com |
| 22:02.52 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, but thats you and not the target |
| 22:03.01 | Thunder_Child | and thats damage you deal, not damage they take |
| 22:03.07 | Kaso | mm, true |
| 22:03.15 | Kaso | im not usure actually |
| 22:03.42 | art3mis | and according to speakeasy its |
| 22:03.48 | art3mis | Download Speed: 9319 kbps (1164.9 KB/sec transfer rate) |
| 22:03.48 | art3mis | Upload Speed: 1866 kbps (233.3 KB/sec transfer rate) |
| 22:03.56 | art3mis | groovy |
| 22:04.55 | Duman | damn, I hate you |
| 22:05.16 | Duman | I need better upload speed... and I could always use better download speed ;) |
| 22:05.26 | art3mis | hehe who cant ;) |
| 22:05.32 | Thunder_Child | i need better up as well |
| 22:05.41 | Duman | my 600kbps upload is lacking :( |
| 22:05.55 | art3mis | i always snicker when the people at the office talk about thier t1 |
| 22:05.56 | Polarina | Does a Tinfoil Hat really exist? |
| 22:06.00 | art3mis | which is just 1.5/1.5 ;P |
| 22:06.10 | Duman | haha T1 |
| 22:06.28 | Duman | my dsl provider is supposedly going to start testing adsl2+ stuff at some point |
| 22:06.39 | Duman | we'll see if that ever really happens |
| 22:06.41 | art3mis | The speed of a full T1 line connection is 1.544Mbps |
| 22:06.44 | art3mis | woo! |
| 22:06.59 | art3mis | duman just call and ask for sdsl ;P |
| 22:07.08 | art3mis | when yer 1.5/1.5 |
| 22:07.11 | art3mis | err then |
| 22:07.16 | Duman | the state of broadband connectivity in the US is abysmal when compared to other places in the world |
| 22:07.22 | Duman | yeah but I'm 6M/600k right now |
| 22:07.27 | Duman | I dont' want to give up the 6M ;) |
| 22:07.53 | Thunder_Child | mine is even worse, 6M/300K |
| 22:08.01 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt mind 6M/6M though |
| 22:08.08 | Duman | heh |
| 22:08.15 | art3mis | Offering up to full T3 speeds: 45 Mbps |
| 22:08.26 | Duman | yeah I need a ds3 to my house |
| 22:08.34 | art3mis | for 9$ more a month i can boost to 30mbit/10mbit ;P |
| 22:08.35 | Thunder_Child | WTB Fios |
| 22:08.36 | JoshBorke | i don't recall ever hearing of a T2 |
| 22:08.47 | art3mis | err sorry 50mbit/10mbit |
| 22:08.47 | Thunder_Child | isnt used |
| 22:08.52 | JoshBorke | i didn't think so |
| 22:08.57 | Duman | T2 was 6Mbps |
| 22:09.00 | deltron | OC-48 plz |
| 22:09.02 | Duman | never really used |
| 22:09.10 | art3mis | JoshBorke: thats because it went back in time to try and kill sarah conner again ;P |
| 22:09.35 | art3mis | OC-48 - 2.5 gigabits per seconds |
| 22:09.54 | art3mis | http://www.sizes.com/media/phone_speeds.htm |
| 22:10.08 | art3mis | oc768 please ;P |
| 22:10.10 | art3mis | mmmmm |
| 22:10.17 | art3mis | 40gb |
| 22:10.35 | Duman | yeah most of the big backbone providers use either OC768 or channeled 10G lines (either ethernet, or OC192) |
| 22:10.50 | art3mis | ya know |
| 22:10.59 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Carrier is a great list |
| 22:11.00 | art3mis | i dont even know if i'd find enough to do on that kind of pipe |
| 22:11.09 | art3mis | i'd like a mov..done |
| 22:11.10 | Thunder_Child | Will be able to provide transmission speeds of around 159.25248 Gbit/s [4]" |
| 22:11.16 | Thunder_Child | OC-3072* |
| 22:11.17 | Duman | you run into latency issues and/or host speed limitations, anyway :P |
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| 22:11.52 | Duman | tcp window size starts really rearing its ugly head on latent yet high-speed links |
| 22:11.55 | Duman | (like cross-country) |
| 22:12.13 | Duman | we have two 10Gbps links from CA<->VA, and single TCP streams get capped way before that |
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| 22:12.41 | art3mis | duman you do networking ? |
| 22:12.54 | Duman | yeah |
| 22:12.57 | Duman | among other things :) |
| 22:12.58 | art3mis | question for ya |
| 22:13.11 | Duman | Computer Science by degree... operations (system, network) by profession |
| 22:13.53 | art3mis | if ive got a 2.3sdsl with a built in hub and from one port on there i feed the internal network, if i throw my wan card on promo it's not gonna pick up bw useage from the "hub" but it will report the in and out ips right? |
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| 22:14.12 | art3mis | assuming the rest of said statics are plugged into same hub |
| 22:14.12 | Thunder_Child | Networking Engineer by degree, anything else by profession |
| 22:14.37 | art3mis | i have no degrees ;P |
| 22:14.47 | art3mis | ive just been alive and a nerd a long time ;) |
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| 22:14.57 | Duman | what do you mean "on promo"? |
| 22:15.13 | art3mis | promiscuous |
| 22:15.15 | Duman | oh |
| 22:15.18 | Duman | well |
| 22:15.35 | art3mis | it'll pick up the header calls but not actual useage right? |
| 22:15.39 | Duman | if it's a hub, you'll see shit |
| 22:15.42 | Duman | if it's a switch, you won't |
| 22:16.12 | art3mis | yeah |
| 22:16.15 | art3mis | its just a hub |
| 22:16.25 | Duman | ahh |
| 22:16.31 | art3mis | just making sure that the stats for the internal arent being corrupted by the statics |
| 22:16.32 | Duman | well, the wireless part might have some smart filters on it |
| 22:16.45 | Duman | since it's silly to dump all that crap into the air for no reason |
| 22:16.50 | Duman | only bcasts should get out |
| 22:16.52 | art3mis | not wireless ;P |
| 22:17.13 | Duman | oh, then you'll see it all |
| 22:17.17 | Duman | if it's a hub, you'll see all traffic |
| 22:17.19 | art3mis | including bw useage? |
| 22:17.23 | Duman | it's repeated across all ports |
| 22:17.44 | Duman | you mean the network counters on your port? |
| 22:17.49 | Duman | (on your card, I mean) |
| 22:18.01 | Duman | hubs generally don't have per-port counters ... for this very reason ;) |
| 22:18.20 | art3mis | 1 port goes to my firewall/dhcp for the 192.68.x.x the other 3 on it are fed to direct line static ips |
| 22:18.21 | Duman | since if the port has link, the counters will always be incrementing |
| 22:18.36 | Duman | k |
| 22:18.53 | art3mis | im missing some bw in the monitor on the firewall/dhcp |
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| 22:19.41 | art3mis | so either it's not actually reading it from the statics(which explains where the extra went) or something is funky ;P |
| 22:19.41 | Duman | well, I dunno - what sort of traffic is missing? |
| 22:19.47 | Thunder_Child | WB Cairenn |
| 22:20.12 | Duman | (and how are you gathering the stats, etc..) |
| 22:20.13 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 22:20.56 | Duman | altho we're rather O.T. for this channel... we can take it to /msg if people want :) |
| 22:20.56 | art3mis | i ran from internal a speed test while watching the monitor, it reported the proper useage spike(and returned 1.7mbit)... called a static client and had him run it and his came back 666kbit but the monitor didnt show anything additional |
| 22:20.56 | Thunder_Child | lol, there is no topic for this channel |
| 22:20.56 | Duman | heh, k :) |
| 22:21.00 | Thunder_Child | (almost) anything goes |
| 22:21.18 | Cairenn | although it is dedicated to mod development first and foremost |
| 22:21.47 | Duman | art: how does the poller work? how often does it look at counters? is it grabbing instantaneous rates, or looking at coutners and calculating that way, etc |
| 22:21.48 | Thunder_Child | like bush was dedicated to getting rid of WMD? |
| 22:21.56 | Duman | art: too many variables to answer simply ;) |
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| 22:21.59 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:22.06 | Thunder_Child | ~hug Cairenn |
| 22:22.06 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 22:22.07 | art3mis | so, the bw issues(if they persist since i limited p2p traffic to 2kbit/1kbit) would be because of the statics i cant see |
| 22:22.33 | Duman | art: can you normally see traffic from the static IP'd machines out to the world? |
| 22:22.34 | art3mis | my wan<->lan speeds match properly |
| 22:22.53 | art3mis | on iftop i could |
| 22:22.58 | art3mis | on this one i cant |
| 22:23.03 | art3mis | i can see the hits in and out |
| 22:23.09 | Duman | 'this one' ? |
| 22:23.10 | art3mis | but im not 100% on the bw usage |
| 22:23.14 | art3mis | pfsense |
| 22:23.27 | art3mis | whatever the hell it's using to monitor |
| 22:23.30 | Duman | crap, need ot run |
| 22:23.36 | Duman | back in a bit |
| 22:23.40 | art3mis | cya |
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| 22:31.43 | art3mis | i just found the best puicture ever! |
| 22:31.50 | art3mis | http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6992/unixbeachreadingck7.jpg nsfw |
| 22:31.55 | art3mis | boobies and unix! |
| 22:33.47 | Thunder_Child | i wonder what the other book is |
| 22:34.08 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 22:34.18 | art3mis | two topless chicks and tc is concerned about the other book |
| 22:34.56 | Thunder_Child | well it's not like the boobies are a mystiry |
| 22:35.47 | art3mis | and yet we constantly try to find ways to view them |
| 22:35.52 | art3mis | curious isnt it? |
| 22:36.00 | JoshBorke | obviously photochopped |
| 22:36.16 | art3mis | that chicks cute i wonder what she looks like naked.... |
| 22:36.19 | art3mis | oh her knees |
| 22:36.22 | art3mis | in front of me |
| 22:36.24 | Thunder_Child | well i mean the boobies are uncovered...the book isnt |
| 22:37.10 | Polarina | The use of 'if', 'for' and other flow control statements has been deemed exploitable, and have been removed from the Lua script implementation. |
| 22:37.51 | Polarina | The Raid UI now allows a maximum of 3 rogues or hunters per raid. |
| 22:37.51 | Polarina | Target and player health updates will be limited to once every 5 seconds to save on packet traffic. |
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| 22:38.41 | Olison | huh? :o |
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| 22:39.22 | Polarina | I found these in the official patch notes. |
| 22:51.52 | Lunessa | Sounds like you've been reading an April Fool's joke for some of that. |
| 22:51.59 | cladhaire | yeah, seriously |
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| 22:58.53 | Kaso | If i try to view VLC ascii art mode over ssh it craps out after a couple seconds >.< |
| 23:00.46 | Duman | something causing your client to send back a ~ ? |
| 23:00.57 | deltron | lol |
| 23:06.24 | Kaso | "can't create mcop directory" "Creating link /home/kaso/.kde/socket-kasoserver." |
| 23:06.30 | Kaso | which is odd as i use gnome... |
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| 23:12.51 | Valaron|Work | You overquota? |
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| 23:18.47 | Intangir | Kaso: whats that? |
| 23:19.26 | Kaso | what i get after my VLC ascii art stream over SSH cocks up |
| 23:19.45 | Intangir | what now? |
| 23:19.56 | Intangir | vlc ascii art stream? |
| 23:20.24 | Kaso | vlc allows you to output video in ascii-art mode to a text console |
| 23:20.33 | Intangir | omg thats fucking cool, how? |
| 23:20.37 | Kaso | so im trying to watch a video over ssh |
| 23:20.43 | Intangir | so i can play a wow video as ascii? |
| 23:20.47 | Kaso | sure |
| 23:20.48 | kd3 | mplayer's been able to do that forever |
| 23:20.55 | Intangir | how do i do it on mplayer then? |
| 23:20.59 | Kaso | vlc video.avi -V caca |
| 23:21.20 | kd3 | mplayer -vo caca <vid> |
| 23:21.23 | kd3 | or -vo aa |
| 23:21.39 | Intangir | holy shit ;) |
| 23:21.54 | Polarina | :O |
| 23:22.13 | Kaso | heh |
| 23:22.53 | Intangir | HOLY SHIT MAN |
| 23:22.54 | Intangir | hahahahahahaha |
| 23:22.56 | Intangir | its working |
| 23:23.02 | Intangir | its basically unrecognizable though |
| 23:23.09 | Intangir | im trying to watch southpark ;) |
| 23:23.26 | Kaso | sit futher away from the screen |
| 23:23.26 | Intangir | HOLY CRAP |
| 23:23.29 | Intangir | it is sorta recognizable ;) |
| 23:23.31 | Kaso | and/or squint |
| 23:23.46 | deltron | yeah it's really bad |
| 23:23.52 | Intangir | thats totally hilarious |
| 23:24.00 | Intangir | do vlc and mplayer have about the same quality with it? |
| 23:24.20 | kd3 | probably, since they're using the same library |
| 23:24.24 | deltron | they probably use the same lib |
| 23:24.26 | deltron | bah |
| 23:24.30 | deltron | type faster than me will you |
| 23:24.41 | kd3 | with 4s of lag too! |
| 23:24.49 | Intangir | lol |
| 23:25.03 | Intangir | ya southpark is recognizable |
| 23:25.15 | Thunder_Child | if your a memember of amazon, GO VOTE! |
| 23:25.22 | Thunder_Child | member* |
| 23:25.23 | Intangir | for what? |
| 23:25.30 | Intangir | voting on amazon? |
| 23:25.37 | Thunder_Child | go to the front page, look top right |
| 23:25.40 | Thunder_Child | it's for deals |
| 23:25.56 | Thunder_Child | SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 15, 2007--For the second year in a row, Amazon.com (NASDAQ:AMZN) will let customers vote to decide which amazing deals are offered for the holiday season. "Amazon Customers Vote" starts today, featuring six rounds of incredible deals customers can vote on at www.amazon.com/customersvote. This year's products are among the most popular of the season, and similar to last year's "Customers Vote," |
| 23:26.16 | Thunder_Child | good stuff, WII for $79 , etc. |
| 23:26.43 | cog|work | too bad i already have a wii :( |
| 23:26.46 | Thunder_Child | but you can only buy on the deal IF you vote |
| 23:27.03 | Thunder_Child | and even then it is selected among the peopl that vote |
| 23:27.40 | Thunder_Child | people* |
| 23:27.41 | Intangir | buy the DVD "End Game" on amazon |
| 23:27.44 | Intangir | its fucking chilling |
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| 23:32.23 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wga-strike/daily-show-writers-use-viacoms-youtube-suit-to-hilariously-explain-the-strike-323378.php?autoplay=true |
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| 23:43.19 | Furl | 2.3 is yummy |
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| 23:43.39 | Furl | I've made 100 gold doing absolutely NOTHING so far. |
| 23:43.41 | Furl | lol |
| 23:43.51 | Furl | Well apart from doing what I usually do |
| 23:43.55 | Furl | [Kill people] |
| 23:47.32 | Wobwork | the 25g for the daily instance is nice |
| 23:49.59 | Furl | Aye |
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| 23:58.58 | Duman | yep |
