| 00:00.20 | Cairenn | I know there are a bunch of you that are in SoCal - please be careful and don't be stupid - if it gets too close, just go, "things" can be replaced |
| 00:01.35 | mikma | Cairenn: what what? |
| 00:01.42 | Cairenn | the fires |
| 00:01.46 | Cairenn | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=102617558666443238993.00043d07052ecf586cd1a&ll=34.011689,-117.295532&spn=2.13093,4.438477&z=8&om=1 |
| 00:02.06 | Timangi | Kaso |
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| 00:02.17 | Timangi | Why it says ChatFramtabremover.toc in both? |
| 00:02.42 | Kaso | it doesnt ? |
| 00:02.48 | mikma | uh, fires in california? :I |
| 00:03.01 | Timangi | these both are identical? |
| 00:03.14 | art3mis | boobies |
| 00:03.15 | Timangi | ahh |
| 00:03.16 | Timangi | duh |
| 00:03.16 | art3mis | yay \o/ |
| 00:03.17 | Timangi | got it |
| 00:03.18 | Timangi | sry |
| 00:03.23 | Kaydeethree | there's some near our blizzard overlords as well |
| 00:03.43 | Cairenn | a bunch of SOE folks have had to abandon their homes |
| 00:04.18 | art3mis | thats gonna delay the patch ;) |
| 00:04.25 | mikma | Cairenn: pictures anywhere? |
| 00:04.31 | Kelfarr | here is some pics one sec |
| 00:04.43 | Cairenn | I'm sure CNN, etc have lots of them |
| 00:04.56 | Kelfarr | http://i20.tinypic.com/2ccxbmo.jpg |
| 00:04.58 | Kelfarr | here is one |
| 00:05.22 | Kelfarr | http://i21.tinypic.com/19uy5h.jpg |
| 00:05.23 | Kelfarr | another |
| 00:05.27 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i just whip out a marshmellow and yell "BONFIRE" |
| 00:05.33 | mikma | so, what the hell has happened there? |
| 00:05.53 | Kelfarr | wind + brush + fire |
| 00:06.02 | Timangi | lol kaso :D |
| 00:06.06 | Timangi | respect |
| 00:06.27 | Thunder_Child | on the other hand i live on the border of BH/WH/WLA so it's unlikely to come find me |
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| 00:09.05 | Thunder_Child | "After nine years of back and forth and a small country's GDP in fines for antitrust violations, Microsoft's finally caving to EU antitrust regulators by giving code to competitors it's fought to keep to itself after a 2004 European Commission directive to hand it over. A ruling last month by the EU's second-highest court affirmed the EU's right to force powerhouse companies to share intellectual property with competitors i |
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| 00:10.31 | Timangi | Kaso its not working |
| 00:10.34 | Cairenn | you cut off after: "right to force powerhouse companies to share intellectual property with competitors i" |
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| 00:10.50 | Thunder_Child | sry |
| 00:10.51 | Thunder_Child | it's fought to keep to itself after a 2004 European Commission directive to hand it over. |
| 00:10.51 | Timangi | Kaso how do I load this addon since its not showing up at the list? |
| 00:11.00 | Thunder_Child | A ruling last month by the EU's second-highest court affirmed the EU's right to force powerhouse companies to share intellectual property with competitors in order to level the playing field" I call BS on EU |
| 00:11.29 | AnduinLothar | that's what they did to MS |
| 00:11.40 | Thunder_Child | thats who they are talking about |
| 00:11.43 | Kaso | Timangi, did you fully exit wow and go back in? |
| 00:11.43 | AnduinLothar | and MS finally submitted to the anti-trust case |
| 00:11.50 | Kaso | If yes you musta done something wrong. |
| 00:11.58 | AnduinLothar | afte rliek 4 years of apealing |
| 00:12.05 | Thunder_Child | i just dont think it's right to make them give up their IP |
| 00:12.18 | AnduinLothar | it' snot new IP |
| 00:12.29 | Timangi | Error occured in: GlobalCount: 1Message: ..\AddOns\ChatFrameTabRemover\ChatFrameTabRemover.lua line 1: unexpected symbol near '==' |
| 00:12.48 | mikma | Timangi: do not put the =============== something ============ lines in |
| 00:12.52 | Thunder_Child | still |
| 00:12.56 | Timangi | ahh sry man |
| 00:13.40 | Timangi | I just remove == and thats it? |
| 00:15.31 | mikma | Timangi: http://wow.reaktio.net/ChatFrameTabRemover.zip |
| 00:16.22 | mikma | Timangi: http://wow.reaktio.net/ChatFrameTabRemover/ |
| 00:16.38 | mikma | see the latter for the layout we tried to show you |
| 00:17.29 | Timangi | sry I suck in stuff like this :) |
| 00:18.05 | Timangi | If I ever want to disable this I have to move the folder? |
| 00:18.19 | mikma | why not just disable the addon from addons menu |
| 00:19.06 | Timangi | oh dude forgot |
| 00:19.18 | Timangi | I got to do that to chatlog2 too |
| 00:20.18 | mikma | then edit the .lua and add the needed lines in there |
| 00:21.07 | Timangi | do I have to add something in the middle of the lines? |
| 00:21.48 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/ChatFrameTabRemover/ChatFrameTabRemover.lua |
| 00:23.36 | Timangi | nice work <3 |
| 00:25.08 | Timangi | thanks for coding me this addon :) |
| 00:25.31 | art3mis | Ftiakse kai kanena UI me pucca!!! :P |
| 00:25.31 | art3mis | hahaha ta UI sou einai afasia |
| 00:25.40 | art3mis | ^^ anyone speak that language? |
| 00:26.00 | mikma | err no |
| 00:26.06 | mikma | sounds italian |
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| 00:30.36 | art3mis | all copyrightsshould be like drugs |
| 00:31.02 | art3mis | when the copyright expires after 5 years or something if you dont have a new use for that combo/name its opened up to generic markets |
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| 00:36.13 | Wobwork | oh. |
| 00:36.45 | Wobwork | I thought you were going to suggest "when the copyright expires, you find yourself craving more and more copyright until you get more..." |
| 00:36.47 | art3mis | i think pfizer lost thiers |
| 00:37.01 | art3mis | on viagera |
| 00:37.12 | art3mis | not sure if they ever got it approved for heart medication in women |
| 00:37.36 | Wobwork | It'll keep your ticker up? |
| 00:37.41 | art3mis | more or less |
| 00:37.46 | art3mis | its a blood thinner essentially |
| 00:37.55 | art3mis | thast why it works so well for erections |
| 00:38.09 | art3mis | in order to get the same response, it needs less blood pumped in |
| 00:39.05 | art3mis | it also helps in the case of heart/bloodflow because it can bypass clots etc more readily, and allows a the same propgation of oxygen without having to work as hard |
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| 00:40.55 | Wobwork | ahaha |
| 00:40.55 | Wobwork | http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/kelriiafrettlar/inclimentweather.jpg |
| 00:41.19 | Wobwork | poster died after flying into Zangarmarsh and the broom disappearing under her |
| 00:41.49 | Corrodias | the hell? |
| 00:42.17 | JoshBorke | rofl, that's awesoe |
| 00:42.51 | Wobwork | clearly if you ride on a broom in the rain... you melt =P |
| 00:43.01 | JoshBorke | nerf rain imo |
| 00:44.29 | Corrodias | nono, they just need to diversify the weather. chocolate rain. |
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| 00:49.38 | Kirkburn | 2.3 patch notes updated :) http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patch_2.3.0&diff=935121&oldid=935063 |
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| 00:50.03 | Kirkburn | mikma, know if your minimapblips addon still works on 2.3? |
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| 00:50.54 | mikma | Kirkburn: hmm, haven't tested it but i can test it soon. just need to get up first :O |
| 00:51.14 | mikma | Kirkburn: some of the icons might work but for me it seems like they have added a huge amount of icons |
| 00:51.29 | Kirkburn | Yay, I guess :P |
| 00:51.31 | mikma | hunters can see who are neutral, hostile, friendly, and so on |
| 00:51.49 | Guillotine | boo @ school blocking irc ports :( |
| 00:51.58 | Guillotine | yay for ircatwork! |
| 00:51.58 | Kirkburn | I hope neutral and gathering show different icons |
| 00:52.36 | mikma | well, extracting the art and converting the image to .tga would propably help |
| 00:52.36 | Kirkburn | Why on earth they left that blip file with identical yellow icons for so long is beyond me |
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| 00:52.59 | Guillotine | yay for ircatwork! |
| 00:53.04 | Kirkburn | Yay Guillotine :P |
| 00:58.24 | Shadowed | Anyone played with healing coeffs before by any chance? |
| 00:58.42 | JoshBorke | math not so ez for shadowed |
| 00:58.43 | Kelfarr | www.elitistjerks.com probably has the answer |
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| 00:59.00 | Shadowed | probably |
| 00:59.14 | Wobwork | ew |
| 00:59.15 | Guill | anybody know a way to see what outgoing ports are open on a network? |
| 00:59.16 | Wobwork | Chocolate rain |
| 00:59.48 | JoshBorke | Wobwork: you're sick |
| 01:00.01 | Wobwork | I actually am =( |
| 01:00.06 | Wobwork | I don't know why I'm at work =( |
| 01:00.11 | Kirkburn | Wobwork, rofl |
| 01:01.46 | Shadowed | hrm, EJ doesn't seem to have the formula actually for dealing with talents + healing coeff |
| 01:03.04 | MentalPower|Work | Guill: if you're inside of that network you can use ShieldsUP! from grc.com |
| 01:03.23 | MentalPower|Work | if you're outside then you can nmap it if there are services running on the inside to answer |
| 01:03.23 | Guill | MentalPower: ty :) |
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| 01:05.10 | Guill | no, just trying to figure out what I can/can't do from here. see if I can get onto WoW quickly and all that >.> |
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| 01:06.29 | Guill | wow, that is so geeky. The server I'm connected to currently at school is named Vulcan o.O |
| 01:06.49 | MentalPower|Work | lol |
| 01:07.08 | MentalPower|Work | my univ's server names are all wierd too |
| 01:07.49 | Guill | eh, not sure if my school would like me probing from the outside |
| 01:07.50 | MentalPower|Work | StarWars references, StarTrek, Babylon5, Futurama, Simpsons, you name it, we have it |
| 01:08.16 | MentalPower|Work | meh, if they do they'll just block GRC's IPs |
| 01:08.24 | MentalPower|Work | no major loss |
| 01:08.35 | Guill | or my login account :P |
| 01:08.57 | Guill | since that data is trying to get to me, they'll know who requested it |
| 01:09.05 | MentalPower|Work | what univ? |
| 01:09.14 | MentalPower|Work | and are they really that paranoid? |
| 01:09.42 | Guill | I really don't know |
| 01:09.59 | MentalPower|Work | what university? |
| 01:10.05 | Guill | Santa Monica College |
| 01:10.26 | Guill | I love how many people are connected to the wireless network with no security and no passwords |
| 01:10.31 | MentalPower|Work | I don't think they'll mind, being in CA they should be used to it |
| 01:11.04 | Guill | supposedly someone got into the grades system a couple years ago though, so they could be paranoid |
| 01:11.12 | mikma | Kirkburn: answer to your previous question: no, they don't work |
| 01:12.03 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 01:12.23 | mikma | need to extract the iconfile and see what's up |
| 01:14.28 | Timangi | Hey guys i've got a problem with Quartz |
| 01:14.35 | Timangi | Any idea how to change "Icon" size? |
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| 01:14.55 | MentalPower|Work | Guill: I would just say try it, better to ask forgiveness than permission in my book :) |
| 01:14.57 | mikma | "You can now fish in Ironforge again." haha |
| 01:15.28 | Guill | MP: hehe :) brings back memories of history class... |
| 01:16.42 | mikma | Timangi: people at #wowace might know that better |
| 01:17.13 | Timangi | mikma: ok. |
| 01:18.08 | Guill | so |
| 01:18.11 | Guill | ascii art time? |
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| 01:29.20 | Wobwork | hehehe http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/christmas.jpg |
| 01:31.32 | mikma | aye |
| 01:31.36 | mikma | tailor-love |
| 01:31.43 | mikma | will go nicely with the green and red hats |
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| 01:46.24 | Cidan | so here's a question |
| 01:46.50 | Cidan | if you were to take the DLL's from a window install and shove them into Wine, would that make it work somewhat better? |
| 01:47.13 | Cidan | sans some of the more obvious issues |
| 01:47.25 | Shirik | o.o |
| 01:47.29 | Shirik | Who's Widgertick? |
| 01:47.46 | Shirik | and why is his name blue on WoWI? |
| 01:47.52 | Cidan | er, lolwut? |
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| 01:49.11 | MentalPower|Work | Cidan: that sounds like a question for bleeter or Kaydeethree |
| 01:49.23 | Cidan | aye |
| 01:49.51 | Kaydeethree | Cidan, depends on the .dll. some things, like d3d8/9, the kernel and a few others may not be touched, but most of the rest can if you really have to |
| 01:50.49 | Cidan | hm |
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| 01:53.12 | Kaydeethree | basically stuff that wine's had to reimplement differently than it would be on windows (like the aformentioned list) will break wine horribly if you try. other things, like sound codecs are fair game and pretty much required for vent |
| 01:54.26 | Cidan | I see, I see. |
| 01:56.40 | MentalPower | Shirik: good question |
| 01:57.31 | Kirkburn | More patch note changes! http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patch_2.3.0&diff=935186&oldid=935125 |
| 02:00.27 | Kaydeethree | +* An Azure Whelp pet now drops from the blue dragonkin in Azshara. |
| 02:00.32 | Kaydeethree | damn them, damn them to hell |
| 02:00.37 | Cidan | haha |
| 02:00.40 | Cidan | * If you are in a shapeshift form and try to use an ability that may only be used in caster form, you will leave the form and use that ability. This means that you can shift from one form to another in one action. If you don’t have mana to shift form, you will get an error message and remain in your current form. This can be disabled with /console autoUnshift 0 |
| 02:00.57 | Cidan | Good job Blizzard, why not just add /console easyMode 1 |
| 02:02.12 | Cidan | * If you are in Shadowform and try to use an ability that my not be used in Shadowform, you will leave Shadowform and use that ability. This can be disabled with /console autoUnshift 0 |
| 02:02.16 | Cidan | |
| 02:02.18 | Cidan | hooray. |
| 02:02.22 | Kaydeethree | same for rogues too |
| 02:02.32 | Cidan | yep |
| 02:02.35 | Kaydeethree | this was in the upcoming 2.3 changes sticky over the weekend |
| 02:02.35 | Cidan | Idiots |
| 02:02.57 | Kaydeethree | oh wow at them giving UI debugging advice in the patch notes |
| 02:03.10 | MentalPower | thats a bad idea IMO |
| 02:03.40 | Cidan | yep |
| 02:03.43 | Cidan | telling them to mail us |
| 02:03.47 | Cidan | and spam posts |
| 02:03.49 | Cidan | on our forums |
| 02:03.52 | kergoth | * You can now obtain a tiny Sporebat pet with exalted Sporeggar faction. -- nice |
| 02:04.09 | Cidan | Really, wth is up with Blizzard, have they hired a bunch of 18 year old designers? |
| 02:04.39 | Cidan | "OMG IT WILL BE SO KOOL IF LIKE... <insert change here>!!!!" |
| 02:05.18 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:05.19 | Cidan | 18yr old dev2: "YEAHHH! HEY FUCK THIS, LET'S GO TO MY HOUSE AND PLAY 360, MY PARENTZZZ ARE OUT OF TOWN AND WE CAN GET A KEG SOMEWHERE YEAH EXTREEMEEE GAMING!!" |
| 02:05.23 | Shirik | I want a /console easyMode 1 |
| 02:05.39 | dreamss | 4 wheels of fury! |
| 02:05.56 | |Jelly| | WTB FadeOut Autobar. : / |
| 02:05.59 | Shirik | btw Cidan |
| 02:06.06 | Cidan | sup |
| 02:06.14 | Shirik | you need to add a hook so that when the timer hits 0, the spell monitor removes the bar |
| 02:06.32 | Shirik | afaict, you're only removing the bar when you get the stop casting signal |
| 02:06.41 | Shirik | but if I go out of range in between start and stop, then it gets stuck |
| 02:06.50 | Cidan | that UI isn't really something I care about |
| 02:06.53 | Cidan | It's going to be deleted |
| 02:06.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:06.56 | Shirik | ok :) |
| 02:07.03 | mikma | Kirkburn: ooh sex, patch changes :) |
| 02:07.08 | Cidan | It was just a test of the grid/window/timer/cell system |
| 02:07.14 | Cidan | and datasets |
| 02:07.14 | Shirik | I'm impressed that you did it in under 100 lines |
| 02:07.26 | dreamss | im surprised hunters dont get deathcoil |
| 02:07.35 | Shirik | YES! |
| 02:07.36 | Cidan | Thanks, all in part to you as well of course. |
| 02:07.47 | Shirik | Scaring shot |
| 02:07.49 | Shirik | awesome |
| 02:07.57 | Shirik | go to hunter forums now to propose it |
| 02:07.59 | mikma | You can now obtain a tiny Sporebat pet with exalted Sporeggar faction. |
| 02:08.01 | mikma | hohooo |
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| 02:08.22 | Shirik | Cidan: psh |
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| 02:10.05 | cogwheel | ~lart Shidan |
| 02:10.05 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Shidan |
| 02:10.07 | cogwheel | s/~lart Shidan/evening, all/ |
| 02:10.33 | cogwheel | figured i'd kill two birds with one stone |
| 02:10.42 | Cidan | also Shirik |
| 02:10.44 | Cidan | bar.Done = function() SM.RemoveFromWindow(uid); end |
| 02:11.27 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:11.30 | Shirik | then it must be something else |
| 02:11.32 | Shirik | oh well |
| 02:11.48 | Cidan | crappy little UI in the end |
| 02:11.56 | Shirik | yeh |
| 02:12.08 | Cidan | Oh so my code is crappy now? |
| 02:12.11 | Cidan | Fucker. |
| 02:13.04 | Shirik | you said it not me |
| 02:13.09 | Shirik | I just agree with you to make you feel better :) |
| 02:13.23 | Cidan | lulz. |
| 02:13.46 | cogwheel | It always amuses me to watch someone arguing with himself. |
| 02:14.24 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:14.31 | cogwheel | meh... you guys are no fun :P |
| 02:14.50 | Shirik | cogwheel, you're smart |
| 02:14.53 | Shirik | what does the blue name mean! |
| 02:15.03 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 02:15.12 | Shirik | look at wowi's user list |
| 02:15.28 | Kelfarr | cohwheel you were on here earlier talking to me and jelly and kamdis right? but your name was different |
| 02:15.38 | cogwheel | cog|work |
| 02:15.39 | Shirik | cog|work? |
| 02:15.43 | Kelfarr | yes |
| 02:15.45 | Timangi | Anyone know how to change titan panel critline addons new records postion and fonts? |
| 02:15.51 | Shirik | because he was at work :) |
| 02:15.54 | Kelfarr | oh ok |
| 02:15.59 | |Jelly| | He wasn't talking to me! He's too good to talk to the likes of me! |
| 02:16.04 | Shirik | much like I'm Shirik|Ecole when I'm at school |
| 02:16.11 | Kelfarr | titan :barf: |
| 02:16.14 | Kelfarr | oh ok |
| 02:16.23 | Kelfarr | get fubar and use topscore_fu |
| 02:16.30 | |Jelly| | When are you Kimina, Shirik? :P |
| 02:16.35 | Shirik | when I'm in game |
| 02:16.40 | Kelfarr | brb later guys |
| 02:16.40 | Shirik | I've... stopped playing Kimina for a while |
| 02:16.48 | |Jelly| | Later. |
| 02:16.48 | Shirik | I love the character, I just hate the people on the server |
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| 02:16.52 | Shirik | I'll probably transfer her somewhere |
| 02:16.55 | |Jelly| | I know, right? |
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| 02:17.05 | |Jelly| | People make me want to cut faces. |
| 02:17.07 | Shirik | you on a pvp server? :P |
| 02:17.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: perhaps an interface author who's not premium or featured? |
| 02:17.41 | |Jelly| | Well, I'm on three servers: Burning Legion, Windrunner and Velen. |
| 02:17.42 | Shirik | don't think so :/ |
| 02:17.50 | Shirik | I don't remember my name being blue before I was premium |
| 02:18.20 | Shirik | bleh |
| 02:18.24 | Shirik | I just need somewhere to put my BE |
| 02:18.30 | Shirik | Lunessa doesn't work because she's alliance |
| 02:18.35 | Timangi | Why people put fubar over titanspanel? |
| 02:18.39 | Shirik | cogwheel's a noob gnome |
| 02:19.23 | Intangir | ive never tried fubar |
| 02:19.27 | Intangir | but i like titan panel |
| 02:20.56 | Cidan | I wonder which takes up more memory now |
| 02:21.05 | Cidan | Back before Ace2, titan was horrible |
| 02:21.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: I've gotten to that point before... I got so fed up with all the Igotafarts, Summonmes, and Leigolahses that were invading my old guild that I moved over to Tem's realm and into his guild where there's never been more than 5 people on at once since I joined >< |
| 02:22.00 | Shirik | that's where I am now lol |
| 02:22.06 | Shirik | the server is extremely low population |
| 02:22.41 | cogwheel | Shirik: you're right... Satrina's among the white names |
| 02:22.50 | Cidan | If I had a home to play on, I would even make Horde, even with all the crap changes |
| 02:23.01 | Cidan | ...So wait, why don't we all start a guild on some server again? |
| 02:23.25 | cogwheel | 'cause I already paid my $50 to transfer my two highest level characters :P |
| 02:23.26 | JoshBork2 | n00bs |
| 02:23.33 | Cidan | Oh wait, difference in playing style. I prefer PvP |
| 02:23.41 | Cidan | Shirik is now a PvE'er |
| 02:23.48 | cogwheel | I dabble in both |
| 02:23.50 | JoshBork2 | wow, VS is taking WAY longer to install this time than it did last time |
| 02:23.50 | Shirik | I love pvp |
| 02:23.54 | Shirik | I can't STAND WoW's pvp |
| 02:24.02 | Shirik | arenas are ok |
| 02:24.07 | |Jelly| | SWG pvp was where it was at imo. |
| 02:24.08 | Cidan | I dislike BG's, etc |
| 02:24.12 | Shirik | RF is how pvp should be |
| 02:24.14 | Cidan | I love world PvP. |
| 02:24.17 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:24.39 | cogwheel | Shirik: i take it Cairenn|afk and dolby-wowi have been thoroughly poked on the matter? |
| 02:24.46 | Shirik | negative |
| 02:24.55 | cogwheel | well then |
| 02:24.56 | Shirik | I figured it was something stupid I didn't know so I never asked |
| 02:25.02 | cogwheel | ~poke Cairenn|afk and dolby-wowi |
| 02:25.03 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn|afk and dolby-wowi, pokes Cairenn|afk and dolby-wowi repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:25.23 | Shirik | purl! |
| 02:25.26 | Shirik | Use semicolons correctly! |
| 02:25.27 | Shirik | gah!!1 |
| 02:25.35 | cogwheel | GOSH! |
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| 02:25.53 | cogwheel | notice the emphatic use of only a single exclamation mark ;) |
| 02:26.29 | Shirik | Intelligence is inversely proportional to the number of exclamation marks, and square-inverse of the number of 1's at the end |
| 02:26.33 | Cidan | Oh |
| 02:26.42 | Cidan | rumor has it the new Bioware MMO |
| 02:26.47 | Cidan | is based off of KOTOR |
| 02:27.03 | Cidan | Might this be full of win and good? |
| 02:27.06 | Cidan | We shall see! |
| 02:27.19 | cogwheel | who needs other mmos? |
| 02:27.35 | Cidan | If it's based off of KOTOR... heh |
| 02:27.37 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:28.12 | Cidan | And it's a Bioware first party, so it won't suck. |
| 02:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 02:30.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | theyve never done an mmo |
| 02:30.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that may be a good thing |
| 02:30.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | neither had blizzard |
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| 02:30.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so we'll see |
| 02:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 02:30.43 | cogwheel | easier to be forgiven that way ;) |
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| 02:35.27 | |Jelly| | DON'T TAZE ME, BRO! |
| 02:37.58 | Shirik | when you target something out of range and hit melee attack |
| 02:38.01 | Shirik | you go into combat |
| 02:38.08 | Shirik | but you don't go into combat lockdown? |
| 02:38.16 | Shirik | I didn't see devtools report a PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 02:38.26 | cogwheel | correct |
| 02:38.42 | cogwheel | you're not in combat until you actually get the mob's attention |
| 02:38.50 | Shirik | fun |
| 02:39.21 | cogwheel | that's why I always used to recommend people not use the player frame to determine combat status ;) |
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| 02:45.45 | Wobwork | bah |
| 02:45.51 | Wobwork | Whoever suggested that flash portal page |
| 02:45.53 | Wobwork | I hate you |
| 02:46.26 | Wobwork | http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/ |
| 02:51.02 | Cidan | I never could beat level 9 |
| 02:51.14 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:51.18 | Shirik | they could get in trouble for that :/ |
| 02:51.35 | Cidan | nah |
| 02:51.39 | Cidan | not at all |
| 02:52.43 | Shirik | and this version is annoying |
| 02:52.47 | Shirik | you can't control which portal to fire |
| 02:53.14 | Kirkburn | Tim Schafer (Psychonauts, Grim Fandango, etc) + JACK BLACK = Brutal Legend .... http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=2548 |
| 02:53.27 | Cidan | yes you can |
| 02:53.30 | Cidan | e orange |
| 02:53.30 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 02:53.31 | Shirik | yeh |
| 02:53.32 | Cidan | q blue |
| 02:58.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:58.09 | Shirik | level 9 |
| 02:58.12 | Shirik | let's see if I can beat Cidan |
| 02:58.20 | Shirik | oh wtf |
| 02:59.14 | Shirik | ohhh I get it |
| 02:59.15 | Shirik | nice |
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| 03:00.48 | Shirik | beati t :) |
| 03:01.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:01.07 | Shirik | 10 is stupidly easy |
| 03:01.43 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 03:01.43 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 03:01.50 | Cidan | I got it |
| 03:02.01 | Cidan | didn't know about e and q before |
| 03:02.40 | Kirkburn | ~~ |
| 03:02.41 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 03:02.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kirkburn |
| 03:02.50 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Kirkburn |
| 03:03.01 | Kirkburn | Mmm, hamstercrap |
| 03:04.02 | Cidan | Mmm, Thunder_Child vomit |
| 03:04.12 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 03:04.17 | Thunder_Child | disgusting bastard |
| 03:05.08 | Nom- | WOW... we've been doing the bear boss the uber hard way |
| 03:05.14 | Nom- | Twice... |
| 03:05.23 | Thunder_Child | missionary position? |
| 03:09.32 | Kirkburn | http://s23297.gridserver.com/images/uploads/lemmy_and_me.jpg ... apparently the dude on the left is famous :P |
| 03:10.23 | Nom- | apparently the big uber attack he does which has been instagibbing our tanks |
| 03:11.44 | Corrodias | what's the not-so-hard way? |
| 03:15.40 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 03:15.42 | Shirik | I died |
| 03:15.45 | Shirik | gay portal game |
| 03:15.46 | Shirik | I quit |
| 03:15.52 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:15.54 | Shirik | I went through a portal and fell to my death |
| 03:15.58 | Shirik | I never popped out the other side >.> |
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| 03:18.09 | cogwheel | evening, iriel |
| 03:18.26 | Iriel | evening |
| 03:18.30 | Shirik | evening Iriel |
| 03:18.36 | Shirik | ~lart cogwheel |
| 03:18.36 | purl | urinates on cogwheel |
| 03:18.39 | Shirik | ~ugt |
| 03:18.39 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 03:19.15 | cogwheel | Shirik: that just means it's irrelevant to you :P |
| 03:19.20 | Iriel | But it's actually evening here in CA, so we can use the right time. |
| 03:19.29 | cogwheel | 'cause I know it's really evening where he lives ;) |
| 03:20.38 | cogwheel | anyway, you guys are too distracting. |
| 03:20.41 | cogwheel | laterz :P |
| 03:20.59 | Shirik | take care |
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| 03:24.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | why do scandinavian metal music videos such so horribly? :[ |
| 03:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | suck* |
| 03:25.24 | Wobwork | hm |
| 03:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | metal videos in general do, really, they should just have video from concerts or something for their videos instead of halfassing a video like most of them do |
| 03:25.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=TgKEFjNx68o |
| 03:25.34 | Wobwork | anyone have one of those pictures that compares all the race heights? |
| 03:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | case in point |
| 03:27.11 | Corrodias | i have one of those pictures that compares all the race's naked women |
| 03:27.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but i found this, Wobwork |
| 03:27.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/7/73/Races.png |
| 03:27.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i doubt that helps |
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| 03:28.05 | Corrodias | hang on |
| 03:28.13 | Wobwork | Mr_Rabies: well it doesn't |
| 03:28.18 | Wobwork | but thank you anyway =) |
| 03:28.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember seeing it on wowwiki |
| 03:28.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | somewhere |
| 03:28.34 | Cidan | this is so retarded |
| 03:28.35 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i searched for races and found that abomination by Mikk |
| 03:28.40 | Cidan | http://nirmalthacker.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/xp-get-system-user/ |
| 03:28.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have any Source-based games running under linux? All of mine crash on start :/ |
| 03:28.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | try the -opengl tag, scythe? |
| 03:29.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think is what it is |
| 03:29.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, not sure, actually |
| 03:29.31 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org/non-porn/WoW%20porn/1166508256575.jpg |
| 03:29.34 | Corrodias | that ought to be the right URL |
| 03:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure those games lack opengl support completly |
| 03:29.42 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: Mine crash on team join |
| 03:29.44 | Cidan | using .48 |
| 03:29.49 | Cidan | it's a bug |
| 03:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, team join? |
| 03:30.01 | Cidan | When you join a team in TF2 |
| 03:30.15 | Cidan | Otherwise, make sure you disable steam community from in game |
| 03:30.21 | Cidan | it will fix SOME crash-on-load issues |
| 03:30.32 | Cidan | You can do so in Steam before the game starts |
| 03:30.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, rule 34 never fails |
| 03:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | HL2 crashes at 99% loaded |
| 03:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Ep1 crashes as 99% loaded |
| 03:31.01 | Wobwork | Corrodias: thankyou =P |
| 03:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ep2 crashes the moment that alyx says a word to you |
| 03:31.06 | Wobwork | although not particularly sfw =P |
| 03:31.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've seen some scary scary wow porn though |
| 03:31.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | involving undead and taurens and aaaaaaaaaaaaugh |
| 03:31.23 | Corrodias | you're welcome |
| 03:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Portal crashes, sadly, the moment the first timer hits 0:00:00.00 |
| 03:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Which depresses the ever living crap out of me |
| 03:31.56 | Corrodias | is there any way to save my CC Information in steam so i don't have to enter it every time i buy a game? |
| 03:32.01 | Wobwork | and that forsaken has far too much flesh on her |
| 03:32.12 | Wobwork | Corrodias: sure, I'll remember it for you |
| 03:32.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr |
| 03:32.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | in beta |
| 03:32.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | things |
| 03:32.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a one click buy option, that may do it |
| 03:32.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme check that out, actually |
| 03:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and your earlier link about running as SYSTEM is indeed retarded |
| 03:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Look at me do things with admin access! Wheee!" |
| 03:33.12 | Corrodias | http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/ClickandBuy_Preview |
| 03:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i find it funny that a fake metal band music video is better than 99% of the real metal music videos out there |
| 03:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=2TghMv5gaDw |
| 03:35.10 | Corrodias | it doesn't say how to USE clickandbuy |
| 03:35.14 | Corrodias | just how to enable it |
| 03:36.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 03:36.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth |
| 03:36.49 | Corrodias | oh, you can choose it from the menu of payment types |
| 03:37.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | It is a payment method similar to PayPal |
| 03:37.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see |
| 03:37.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not the same thing :/ |
| 03:37.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | darn |
| 03:37.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was thinking it was one click buying |
| 03:37.39 | Corrodias | looks like it's maybe 3-click buying |
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| 03:41.29 | Corrodias | i daresay that was the easiest $40 i've ever spent |
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| 03:44.37 | Corrodias | okay, i'm addicted to running games in a window |
| 03:45.08 | Corrodias | but, sadly, hl2 doesn't seem to like to go into the background |
| 03:45.27 | Corrodias | what i don't get is why i got a screen during the opening video that said it couldn't find a compressor |
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| 03:51.41 | Corrodias | ah. cinepack was set to "disabled" in my ffdshow setup |
| 03:56.34 | Wobwork | sigh |
| 03:56.39 | Wobwork | I can only get to level 15 |
| 03:56.58 | Wobwork | in flash portal |
| 03:58.50 | kadrahil | in wow |
| 04:01.30 | Wobwork | http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/ |
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| 04:24.47 | art3mis | such a quiet day |
| 04:27.07 | art3mis | oh my goodness |
| 04:27.13 | art3mis | deathklok touring? |
| 04:27.18 | art3mis | that would rule |
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| 04:31.49 | Corrodias | oookay |
| 04:32.18 | Corrodias | well, some combination of the changes i made makes the game unable to load. time to figure out what i did. |
| 04:33.11 | Corrodias | specifically, unable to load because it crashed my video driver, apparently |
| 04:34.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's happening, art3mis |
| 04:34.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | brendon, gene and tommy afaik |
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| 04:37.27 | art3mis | thats awesome |
| 04:37.44 | art3mis | im gonna have to see that |
| 04:37.55 | art3mis | and get em to signmy home movies dvds ;) |
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| 04:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | me too |
| 04:44.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | only my metalocalypse ones |
| 04:44.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:45.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd love a real recreation of go into the water from the end of season 1 |
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| 05:05.26 | Shirik | So this is depressing |
| 05:05.46 | TC-Holding | your life will get better Shirik |
| 05:05.48 | Shirik | My school's IT department has been in contact with Wind River Systems over an issue we've been having with one of our simulators for about 2 months |
| 05:06.11 | Shirik | Yesterday I spent some time sifting through the problem. First time I've ever bothered to look at it. After an hour, I had the solution |
| 05:06.27 | Shirik | Tell me why their customer support team is worse than someone who just started using this stuff a month ago |
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| 05:08.49 | Shirik | >>> "test" |
| 05:08.53 | Shirik | bleh |
| 05:08.55 | Shirik | night all |
| 05:08.57 | art3mis | thats simple shirik |
| 05:08.57 | Iriel | Because they're used to dealing with people who can't turn on a computer? And you're actually paying attention? |
| 05:09.03 | art3mis | you're curious and arrogant |
| 05:09.04 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:09.09 | art3mis | they do it for a paycheque |
| 05:09.17 | Shirik | you're both probably right |
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| 05:14.36 | Shirik | anyway yeah night |
| 05:15.23 | Guillotine | art3mis: I hate you |
| 05:15.27 | Guillotine | first hello kitty, now this? |
| 05:17.08 | art3mis | part 2 of raeal folk blues is on AS btw |
| 05:17.15 | Cidan | ? |
| 05:17.26 | art3mis | real |
| 05:17.36 | art3mis | last episode of cowboy bebop |
| 05:17.42 | art3mis | one of the best |
| 05:17.42 | Cidan | you mean Cowboy Bebop? |
| 05:17.44 | Cidan | yeh |
| 05:17.51 | Cidan | don't spoil it for people who have not seen it |
| 05:18.09 | art3mis | spoil it? |
| 05:18.16 | art3mis | this is the episode that hooked me on this show |
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| 05:22.41 | Wobwork | You saw the final episode first? |
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| 05:24.35 | art3mis | yup |
| 05:24.54 | art3mis | then went "wtf its over?!?!" and watched the rest and became addicted |
| 05:25.57 | Fin | ~cookie |
| 05:26.16 | Fin | ~cookie |
| 05:26.31 | Fin | that reminds me |
| 05:28.34 | Fin | s/ear/war/ |
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| 05:33.54 | Wobwork | huh |
| 05:33.57 | Wobwork | "On Tuesday, Amazon search subsidiary A9.com was awarded U.S. patent no. 7,287,042 for 'including a search string at the end of a URL without any special formatting.' In the Summary of the Invention, it's explained that 'a user wishing to search for 'San Francisco Hotels' may do by simply accessing the URL www.domain_name/San Francisco Hotels, where domain_name is a domain name associated with the web site system.'" |
| 05:36.39 | Iriel | I hate IP patents |
| 05:37.12 | Thunder_Child | int property or internet protocol? |
| 05:37.17 | Iriel | the firs |
| 05:37.19 | Iriel | +t |
| 05:39.47 | Fin | I hate cocksuckers who take every opportunity they *possibly* can to get every single last tiny drop of money out of everyone around them using every dirty nasty underhand two-faced selfish trick they can think of |
| 05:39.58 | Fin | why can't people just be nice to each other |
| 05:40.19 | Cidan | eh |
| 05:40.20 | Cidan | it's fine |
| 05:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i actually have a kind of respect for that kind of manipulation |
| 05:40.31 | Fin | I can respect and hate at the same time |
| 05:40.33 | Cidan | In due time, it won't matter anymore |
| 05:40.47 | Cidan | This global economic movement is what, 80 years old? |
| 05:40.58 | Iriel | Cidan: Because after the singularity we'll all be living out of caves? |
| 05:41.05 | Cidan | Pretty much. |
| 05:41.12 | Cidan | I mean consider it, 80 years is nothing. |
| 05:41.36 | Fin | unfortunately the drugs I take aren't strong enough to let me live in a world where I believe it's 80 years in the future |
| 05:41.40 | Fin | permanently |
| 05:42.07 | Fin | stronger drugs may help |
| 05:42.10 | Cidan | hmm |
| 05:42.13 | Cidan | Who was it that said it... |
| 05:42.53 | [melin} | weird patents again huh? |
| 05:43.11 | Fin | you know the age old question, stupid and happy or intelligent and pissed off, I reckon, let's all get lobotomies |
| 05:43.34 | Cidan | Oh right |
| 05:43.40 | Fin | s/intelligent/not stupid/ |
| 05:43.43 | Cidan | Scipio said it best, er, I think that was him |
| 05:44.00 | Fin | I do not know this Scipio |
| 05:44.14 | Fin | was he a good man? |
| 05:44.35 | Cidan | When he ordered Carthage burned to the ground, he turned towards Polybius and cried, because at that moment he realized that this very fate will fall upon his homeland, Rome, in the future. |
| 05:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/10/p2p_hacker |
| 05:44.45 | Cidan | As it is the destiny of all great things to end. |
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| 05:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a good read^ |
| 05:44.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | as much as i usually hate wired |
| 05:44.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a pretty interesting article |
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| 05:45.23 | Cidan | So don't worry all that much about what goes on, look upon the past and understand that it will all change |
| 05:45.31 | Cidan | For the better or worse, no one knows. |
| 05:45.38 | Cidan | likely both |
| 05:45.51 | art3mis | knowledge is pwoer, ignorance bliss, your name is now, on sombodies list. |
| 05:46.01 | Cidan | eh |
| 05:46.03 | Fin | wait |
| 05:46.13 | Fin | where am I? |
| 05:46.15 | Fin | who are you people? |
| 05:46.21 | art3mis | sombody's |
| 05:46.35 | Cidan | Fin: most of us are scholars |
| 05:46.37 | Cidan | of some sort |
| 05:46.39 | Fin | what - oh |
| 05:46.44 | Fin | ~cookie |
| 05:46.55 | Cidan | lol? |
| 05:47.24 | Wobwork | ~zip 2065 |
| 05:47.25 | purl | from memory, zip 2065 is Ocean Bluff Plymouth MA |
| 05:47.32 | Wobwork | That's a lie =( |
| 05:47.37 | Cidan | ~zip 33141 |
| 05:47.38 | purl | methinks zip 33141 is Miami Dade FL |
| 05:47.47 | Cidan | Miami |
| 05:47.49 | Cidan | :/ |
| 05:48.10 | Cidan | Miami-Dade is the county, Miami Beach is 33141 |
| 05:48.16 | Cidan | ~fail purl |
| 05:48.17 | purl | purl: Fail. |
| 05:49.37 | Cidan | oh well, bed time |
| 05:49.58 | art3mis | i think guill is sad that i amde winnie the pooh ;P |
| 05:52.32 | Kelfarr | well i am going to bed i am sick of wow atm |
| 05:52.35 | Thunder_Child | yes, as we all are |
| 05:53.04 | Kelfarr | arena is burning me out just lost 8 games and won 2 |
| 05:53.30 | Thunder_Child | though i would be more than happy to help you put together a UI for something that everyone hates |
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| 05:55.42 | art3mis | why sad that i made winnie? |
| 05:56.18 | art3mis | hehe TC make my theme swapper and ill make whatever you want ;P |
| 05:57.03 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:01.40 | art3mis | if you guys like winnie and hk why are you sad that i made them? |
| 06:01.47 | art3mis | did i not do a good job? |
| 06:02.00 | Thunder_Child | ignore me, i hate everything |
| 06:02.12 | Thunder_Child | actualy it's worse, i just dont care |
| 06:02.24 | Thunder_Child | glad someone gets a kick out of it |
| 06:02.26 | art3mis | misanthropistic apathe? |
| 06:02.38 | Thunder_Child | na, just the second part |
| 06:02.45 | art3mis | heh |
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| 06:03.09 | krka | i cant even bother to be apathic these days |
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| 06:26.17 | Cairenn|afk | blue is Blizz, duh |
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| 06:29.51 | Thunder_Child | grrr...static electricity can bite my shiny metal ass |
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| 06:47.18 | Thunder_Child | i dont get it....does some advert exec say "well everyone else has done something corany and stupid like this, we should as well" |
| 06:47.48 | Thunder_Child | (in reference to) A HALLOWEEN SALE SO GOOD, IT'S SCARY. |
| 06:50.20 | Cairenn | what would be scary would be one that finally *didn't* |
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| 06:52.23 | Thunder_Child | no kidding....i'd hope a crash cart is around, because i would be having a heart attack |
| 06:53.29 | art3mis | TC: holidays are always a time for cheezy wording |
| 06:54.51 | Thunder_Child | while i understand human stupidiy, do people fall for that kind of wording? is there an intelectual elite that looks at that and says "what a load of crap"? |
| 06:55.06 | Thunder_Child | i mean, is that good marketing? |
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| 06:56.23 | Wobwork | When does marketing ever do anything but pander to the lowest common denominator? |
| 06:56.23 | art3mis | well |
| 06:56.29 | art3mis | marketing has to |
| 06:56.53 | Thunder_Child | so that means that 30-50% of the people out there look at that and get interested? |
| 06:57.16 | art3mis | drug companies are funny they actually did a study that the only way to get the largest market share was to word it and market it as though you were talking to a 5th grader |
| 06:57.35 | art3mis | think about the headon commercial |
| 06:57.41 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 06:57.42 | art3mis | simp[le annoying and repetative |
| 06:57.45 | Thunder_Child | i dont watch tv |
| 06:57.50 | Thunder_Child | just DL shows |
| 06:57.50 | art3mis | yet it worked amazingly well |
| 06:57.57 | art3mis | check youtube for headon |
| 06:58.01 | art3mis | you'll see |
| 06:58.13 | art3mis | it was insanely effective |
| 06:59.14 | Thunder_Child | thats retarded |
| 06:59.30 | art3mis | yes |
| 06:59.31 | art3mis | it is |
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| 06:59.49 | art3mis | but it got the brand recognition |
| 07:00.09 | art3mis | and every show was talking about it "for being annoying" but it got lots of extra advertising |
| 07:01.39 | dreamss | Catalyst 7.9 wont run wow |
| 07:01.41 | dreamss | on my 9800 |
| 07:01.43 | dreamss | fuck |
| 07:03.57 | Thunder_Child | heh, "Mad Alchemist's Postion" Possible side effects may include delusions of victory, irrational exuberance, and the complete suspension of rational judgment. |
| 07:04.17 | Wobwork | what's the sitch for tonight? |
| 07:04.21 | MoonWolf | who needs rational judgement anyway |
| 07:04.21 | Wobwork | reboot or downtime? |
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| 07:07.56 | wereHams1er | is it still not possible through the official API to find out the exact spell target when a party member starts casting a spell? |
| 07:09.34 | art3mis | phanx added a neat feature to his chat mod |
| 07:10.11 | art3mis | on no activity ni the chat frame it does a gradient top to bottom fade out one like a t atime |
| 07:11.40 | Thunder_Child | wow art3mis, that was worse than me |
| 07:12.12 | art3mis | not really ;P |
| 07:12.21 | art3mis | i just have a spacing problem |
| 07:12.43 | Thunder_Child | really? like/line, ni/in |
| 07:12.50 | art3mis | and i refuse to use proper punctuation and capitalization in anything BUT trolling |
| 07:12.59 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 07:13.15 | art3mis | its neat though |
| 07:13.20 | wereHams1er | is UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT fired for party/raid members? |
| 07:13.21 | art3mis | just noticed it a couple mins ago |
| 07:13.39 | Thunder_Child | not for me personaly, i like to see everything. E.G. no fade for me |
| 07:14.53 | art3mis | anyone notice that the brooms the non flyers are capable of going up things you normally cant walk up? |
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| 07:15.13 | art3mis | oh it pops back up on mouse over |
| 07:15.16 | art3mis | and on new text |
| 07:15.17 | Tierrie | oh hai |
| 07:15.20 | Tierrie | anyone here from sweden? |
| 07:15.21 | art3mis | just inactivity makes it fade |
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| 07:18.40 | Thunder_Child | Tierrie, yes...cide or Cidan...cant remeber....i think |
| 07:18.50 | Thunder_Child | damn barin of mine |
| 07:18.53 | Thunder_Child | brain* |
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| 07:20.41 | Cairenn|afk | cide |
| 07:21.01 | Cairenn|afk | and ... ummm, someone new |
| 07:21.01 | Thunder_Child | ty Cairenn|afk |
| 07:21.47 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, "[AD]snegoviK"? |
| 07:22.06 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 07:22.42 | Cairenn|afk | [melin] |
| 07:22.43 | Cairenn|afk | (7:06:28 PM) [melin]: Im a swede.. what can I say? |
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| 07:22.48 | Cairenn|afk | (found it) |
| 07:23.23 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...my logs are SUCKING |
| 07:24.00 | Corrodias | ah, hl2 is an addictive little romp |
| 07:24.45 | Corrodias | or maybe i just have that thing where i keep playing a game until it's well past when i should have quit |
| 07:25.18 | Wobwork | Welcome to World of Warcraft =P |
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| 07:26.15 | Cairenn|afk | WoW still has a ways to go before it beats EverCrack |
| 07:26.38 | Corrodias | wow? i have backed off on WoW for a while, now |
| 07:26.39 | Cairenn|afk | for pure longevity |
| 07:26.40 | Corrodias | too many other games to play |
| 07:26.53 | Thunder_Child | play em at the same time |
| 07:27.07 | Corrodias | i will be; i think i have a raid on gruul tomorro |
| 07:27.08 | Corrodias | w |
| 07:29.53 | foxlit | gruul's moaning is only eclipsed by Rage Winterchill's... err... noises. |
| 07:30.05 | Thunder_Child | muye ftw |
| 07:30.09 | Thunder_Child | mute* |
| 07:30.16 | foxlit | (in other words, quality of voice acting varies majorly) |
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| 07:33.02 | foxlit | Periodically, I play the game in German, just for alternative voice acting on the bosses. |
| 07:35.09 | art3mis | i love boondocks |
| 07:35.20 | art3mis | 6 out of 10 nigga moments involve a sneaker |
| 07:35.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 07:35.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4chan's back |
| 07:35.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was going into withdrawals |
| 07:36.41 | Corrodias | indeed; i'm already downloading megas of bytes from /s/ |
| 07:36.52 | Thunder_Child | anyone know who nancy mairs is? |
| 07:37.34 | Thunder_Child | nvm the |
| 07:37.35 | Thunder_Child | n |
| 07:37.35 | Corrodias | MEGAS OF THEM |
| 07:38.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 07:38.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone needs to find a nice clean THE CAKE IS A LIE THE CAKE IS A LIE THE CAKE IS A LIE texture |
| 07:39.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i can use it as a spray |
| 07:39.32 | Thunder_Child | shouldnt be to hard...TO FIND SOMETHING ORIGONAL!!! |
| 07:39.41 | Thunder_Child | ORIGIONAL? |
| 07:39.45 | Thunder_Child | ...w/e |
| 07:39.56 | Thunder_Child | ORIGINAL |
| 07:39.59 | Thunder_Child | i give up |
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| 09:00.06 | [Liq] | Anyone with network experience? |
| 09:01.15 | foxlit | Does experience with a series of tubes count? |
| 09:01.18 | foxlit | ~ask |
| 09:01.19 | purl | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 09:02.15 | [Liq] | well I'm not native English so I got absolutely no clue how to ask this in a prober way. All I can say that while I'm connected to IRC I still cannot use my browsers and connect to websites. |
| 09:03.17 | foxlit | That's better than nothing :) |
| 09:03.53 | foxlit | How are you connected to the internet? |
| 09:07.09 | foxlit | Could be that something is blocking HTTP connections specifically; DNS could be broken now (but wasn't when you connected to IRC), or perhaps browser software is to blame |
| 09:07.34 | [Liq] | well it jumps |
| 09:07.48 | [Liq] | sometimes I'm able to access google.com but 1 minute later it's "down" for 5 minutes |
| 09:08.41 | [Liq] | at least |
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| 09:15.44 | foxlit | I'd blame the connection in some form, then. |
| 09:16.02 | foxlit | Check if you can ping/telnet to google while you can't access it in a web browser |
| 09:23.03 | [Liq] | on the IP or the DNS? |
| 09:24.40 | dreamss | DNS could be broken now (but wasn't when you connected to IRC) |
| 09:24.42 | dreamss | dns caching |
| 09:24.48 | dreamss | can u /dns msn.com |
| 09:25.56 | foxlit | [Liq]: using the domain name at first :) |
| 09:26.09 | [Liq] | ye well im not "offline" atm |
| 09:26.18 | [Liq] | gotta wait a couple of minutes before it shuts me down again |
| 09:26.34 | [Liq] | it jumps all day long |
| 09:26.40 | [Liq] | 2 minutes online, 5 minutes offline |
| 09:26.57 | [Liq] | and this doesn't include irc/msn with constant access. |
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| 10:04.18 | AnduinLothar | go vote! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518767119&postId=24740742680 |
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| 10:06.03 | foxlit | "you'll now have mages and warlocks rolling against priests, druids, paladin and shaman healers on pure healing items because they give more damage than what they already have.. especially in hellfire instances where gear has so much more stats." |
| 10:06.05 | foxlit | Pfft. |
| 10:06.13 | foxlit | As if removing it from the tooltip will save you |
| 10:06.32 | AnduinLothar | i dont want it removed. i want it shortened, it's liek 4 lines... |
| 10:06.52 | foxlit | Care Meter: Abysmal. |
| 10:07.01 | foxlit | You can get an addon to do that if you want, tbh :) |
| 10:07.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, btu then it could potetially break addons that parse it |
| 10:08.26 | foxlit | Teehee. |
| 10:12.40 | AnduinLothar | and i'd rather blizzard break ti than me |
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| 13:40.50 | |Jelly| | MORNING COG! |
| 13:41.11 | cogwheel | MORNING CAPSLOCK! |
| 13:41.13 | cogwheel | s/CAPSLOCK/|Jelly|/ |
| 13:41.24 | |Jelly| | Shift, actually. :P |
| 13:41.34 | mikma | shiftlock |
| 13:41.40 | cogwheel | you held shift for that whole thing? |
| 13:41.42 | cogwheel | n00b |
| 13:41.53 | |Jelly| | diaf imo |
| 13:42.14 | cogwheel | blizzard might, the way things are going in socal |
| 13:42.25 | |Jelly| | Ready for the lol thread of the morning, brought to you by Jelly? |
| 13:42.25 | mikma | if i try to hold shoft down while writing it's usually like this: LoL GUyS THIS RulES |
| 13:42.47 | mikma | |Jelly|: no, but shoot |
| 13:43.07 | |Jelly| | Was for Cogwheel more than any of you other scrubs! :P http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2520306983&sid=1 |
| 13:43.14 | mikma | dailylol.com - sponsored by |Jelly| |
| 13:44.09 | cogwheel | much better |
| 13:44.22 | cogwheel | I needed my morning bang head against desk until blood appears |
| 13:44.39 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 13:44.55 | |Jelly| | I'm here for you, Cog. |
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| 13:48.02 | Maldivia | |Jelly|: it was yesterday it was capslock day |
| 13:48.13 | |Jelly| | Wait. What? |
| 13:48.51 | Maldivia | yesterday was "international caps lock day" (in reference to your greeting 10 mins ago) |
| 13:49.07 | |Jelly| | And none of you told me? Cog, I'm looking at you... |
| 13:49.23 | cogwheel | don't know why you're looking at me... i'm never in any loops |
| 13:49.55 | |Jelly|FOODING | And with one "DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!" I leave you for a couple minutes while I go get food. |
| 13:52.54 | |Jelly| | They only left me with half a cup of coffee. HEADS WILL ROLL. |
| 13:55.17 | art3mis | neato |
| 13:55.26 | |Jelly| | HAI |
| 13:55.56 | art3mis | talking to one of my clients last night and teasing them about getting me tickets to Young Frankenstein the Musical on broadway |
| 13:56.06 | art3mis | which btw is sold out util march |
| 13:56.24 | art3mis | and i scored march tickets ;) |
| 13:56.36 | |Jelly| | I wish I could say I was jealous but grats all the same. 8P |
| 13:56.42 | art3mis | heh |
| 13:56.51 | art3mis | it's actually being directed by mel brooks |
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| 13:57.07 | art3mis | thats what makes it awesome |
| 13:57.08 | mikma | |Jelly|: don't taze me bro, ow, ow, ow, ow |
| 13:58.01 | art3mis | heh i wish evil dead the musical had done better in nyc |
| 13:58.03 | |Jelly| | Well, that changes everything art3mis. Now I am jealous. |
| 13:58.06 | art3mis | it was awesome |
| 13:58.55 | art3mis | went saw that a while back and so far at 4 music gigs ive run into people that were part of the production team or thier friends were which lead to free drinks all night for me |
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| 14:02.39 | |Jelly| | ...chocolate raaaaaaaaaaaaaain |
| 14:03.29 | Fin | some stay dry and others feel the pain |
| 14:03.59 | |Jelly| | Great. Now I have to listen to it to get it out of my head. |
| 14:05.51 | art3mis | http://torrentfreak.com/oinkcd-servers-raided-admin-arrested/ |
| 14:05.56 | |Jelly| | ~die |
| 14:05.56 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:06.03 | |Jelly| | Close enough. |
| 14:07.11 | |Jelly| | ...oh and what did I do? lol |
| 14:10.40 | mikma | hahahaha! http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/asshole.jpg |
| 14:11.05 | |Jelly| | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
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| 14:16.00 | foxlit | www.ifpi.com |
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| 14:20.02 | |Jelly| | PEPPY! |
| 14:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | Ya! |
| 14:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | Gimpy and limpy, but Peppy just the same. *hug* |
| 14:20.45 | |Jelly| | Gimpy and limpy? What happened? |
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| 14:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | I had my last LARP weekend, and I reeeeeeealy overdid it, so I'm all sore and busted up. Par for the course for running amok in wet woods for 3 days. |
| 14:21.58 | |Jelly| | aww |
| 14:22.01 | |Jelly| | Last? |
| 14:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | Last for this season, anyway. April I start up again. |
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| 14:22.56 | |Jelly| | oh, ok |
| 14:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | So I have shin splints and a major need to go and see this Headless Horseman everyone else farmed all weekend. |
| 14:23.42 | Shirik | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 14:23.43 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Lopeppeppy and suddenly hugs Lopeppeppy tightly |
| 14:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww! Good morning to both Shirik and purl! |
| 14:25.41 | Shirik | =) |
| 14:28.52 | Shirik | anyone have recommendations on a web dev addon for fireofx? |
| 14:28.55 | Shirik | s/ofx/fox/ |
| 14:29.23 | Shirik | (aside from the web developer toolbar which I already have) |
| 14:31.17 | Thrae | Shirik: Check the "Recommended" addons, one of them is for web developersa |
| 14:34.03 | art3mis | why wouldnt you larp over the winter? |
| 14:34.09 | Shirik | That's the one I already have, Thrae :) |
| 14:34.34 | art3mis | seems that would be sorta natural since im betting that it's not always sunny/rainy but sometimes cold and snowy ;P |
| 14:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | art3mis, it's durn cold, babe. And the cold is not good to the weapons, which leads to a lot of excessive injury. So, no insurance to LARP in the snow-time. |
| 14:34.55 | art3mis | frauds! |
| 14:34.57 | art3mis | ;) |
| 14:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | We get broken bones in the summertime, I'd hate to see what we'd do to each other in the winter. |
| 14:35.51 | art3mis | besides what would be more fun than being in a big sheepskin oiled tent with pitch based campfire fuel and a bucnh of people who have been wearing nice stinky wool and metal all day |
| 14:36.06 | art3mis | on a cold decemeber eve |
| 14:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | Um... being in a hot tub working on the phys-reps for doing all that in June? |
| 14:38.21 | art3mis | http://freerice.com/index.php |
| 14:38.46 | art3mis | larp ive never quite udnerstood |
| 14:38.49 | art3mis | understood |
| 14:39.11 | art3mis | i think thats because i was a boy and got that out of my system with playing "guns" and shouting "BANG BANG" |
| 14:39.25 | art3mis | once that was done we moved on to real ways to hurt each other |
| 14:40.03 | art3mis | pellet gun fights, paintball, steel swords and the control to usually hit flat side of the blade |
| 14:40.15 | deltron | lightning bolt! |
| 14:40.24 | art3mis | deltron: heh exactly |
| 14:41.17 | art3mis | i'd have ahard time stopping myself from saying deltron SONICBOOMSONICBOOMSONICBOOMSONICBOOM |
| 14:41.27 | deltron | lol |
| 14:41.35 | deltron | I play D&D, but LARP is lulz |
| 14:41.39 | art3mis | cuz ive never played that game only heard it "once" |
| 14:41.57 | art3mis | larp is "odd" |
| 14:42.18 | art3mis | the Renfair stuff i have no problems with |
| 14:42.31 | art3mis | since thats on par with civil war re-enactments |
| 14:42.45 | deltron | no |
| 14:42.52 | art3mis | but to play d&d all drsesed up in the woods? |
| 14:42.55 | |Jelly| | The only thing I have to base LARP off of is the one "LIGHTNING BOLT" video. I wouldn't be opposed to, at the very least, watching but I think it would be fun to go out in the woods and RP with friends. : / |
| 14:42.56 | deltron | SCA is more like civil war re-enactments |
| 14:43.05 | deltron | renfaire is larp |
| 14:43.06 | art3mis | there are WAY better things to do in the woods |
| 14:44.00 | art3mis | |Jelly|: it would be fun to go camping and play d&d in the woods, and it would be fun to go have rabbitfeed pellt gun fights in the woods, or go play ninja wars in the woods. |
| 14:44.15 | |Jelly| | So...LARP? ... |
| 14:44.17 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | RenFair is dressing up. LARP is more like re-enactment than any faire is. |
| 14:44.44 | art3mis | heh difference being is that in larp thers a suspension of belief ;P |
| 14:45.04 | art3mis | and always makes me think of tom hanks psychotic break in mazes and monsters |
| 14:45.07 | art3mis | ;) |
| 14:45.16 | |Jelly| | What's the difference in pretending you're a ninja versus pretending you're a wizard? |
| 14:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | Not always, art3mis! *laugh* We do the ninja runs, we shoot things at each other, and we play other games. In the rain. |
| 14:45.45 | art3mis | well in pretending im a ninja with others we've got real weapons and don't merely say "ninja vanish" and expect to not get our asses beat ;P |
| 14:45.54 | |Jelly| | ...aside from the obvious that ninjas are, by far better than anything ever. |
| 14:46.16 | art3mis | itcomes down to the suspension of belief i mentioned |
| 14:46.21 | art3mis | ninjas are real |
| 14:46.25 | art3mis | wizards are not |
| 14:46.30 | |Jelly| | They're not? |
| 14:46.35 | |Jelly| | ...shit |
| 14:46.43 | art3mis | i can mimic a ninja and everything a ninja does in real world |
| 14:47.07 | art3mis | i cant however(without use of chemicals) mimic a majority of a wizards abilities |
| 14:47.23 | art3mis | to me thats the difference really |
| 14:47.32 | art3mis | besides trees burn |
| 14:47.37 | art3mis | very very well |
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| 14:49.16 | |Jelly| | http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=97759aa27a0c99bff671 <-- Something just shouldn't be done. |
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| 14:50.17 | art3mis | bahahahahahaha |
| 14:50.53 | art3mis | "you can't sit here in the dark all day listening to classical music. i could if you hadn't turned on the light and stopped the music." |
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| 14:53.09 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIux3dM3Nv8 |
| 14:55.55 | |Jelly| | nothx |
| 14:56.29 | art3mis | stephen lynch is awesome |
| 14:56.37 | art3mis | i went to college and it was great |
| 14:56.43 | art3mis | ed can caount from 1 to 2 |
| 14:57.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | oy |
| 14:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm still depressed over losing tvlinks and oink in the same week |
| 14:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cry |
| 14:59.02 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImnMucno1ew <-- for helloween |
| 15:00.36 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: you lost Oink access or something happened to Oink? |
| 15:00.36 | art3mis | inviting the children inside for a beer, razor blades hidden in 3 musketeers, listening to the screams from the basement, cuz thats what helloween means to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 15:00.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenzelezz |
| 15:00.45 | art3mis | oink got raided again |
| 15:00.50 | art3mis | admin arrested |
| 15:00.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | last time they just had domain problems iirc |
| 15:01.18 | art3mis | thats what he gets for being a dick ;) |
| 15:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | being a dick? |
| 15:01.47 | art3mis | heh i had some great arguments with him about his "rules" |
| 15:01.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ratio requirements were pretty easy to keep /shrug |
| 15:01.59 | art3mis | not ratio, content |
| 15:02.43 | Shirik | oink? |
| 15:02.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | standards of quality are always a good thing, art3mis |
| 15:02.51 | art3mis | now i know you're saying "but art, how is that possible you never argue with anyone!!" |
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| 15:03.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i knew on oink 90% of the time i was getting quality rips |
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| 15:03.53 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: a lot of the old good punk stuff will NEVER meet his "standards" and many others supported the idea of user uploads(going back a while btw) and he flat out refused |
| 15:04.27 | Intangir | what is oink? |
| 15:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | music sharing community |
| 15:05.05 | Intangir | what do you guys think of the new season3 weapons.. |
| 15:05.14 | Intangir | the swords are sort of neat, but short, and a fully color |
| 15:05.31 | Intangir | the fist weapons are alright i guess.. |
| 15:05.36 | Intangir | the maces are absurd.. |
| 15:05.49 | Intangir | they look like.. wtf are they? giant turkey drumsticks? |
| 15:05.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt i'll ever see them so i don't really care |
| 15:05.57 | Intangir | giant boquets of flowers? |
| 15:06.19 | art3mis | [Monstrous Sunflower] |
| 15:06.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | doubt i'll be able to get my personal rating high enough, no one wants a feral :/ |
| 15:06.36 | Intangir | go restoish |
| 15:06.36 | art3mis | cuz its all about the boomkin! |
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| 15:06.50 | Intangir | only druids i see in BGs at higher ratings are mostly resto |
| 15:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, Intangir |
| 15:06.51 | Intangir | but not trees |
| 15:06.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not going resto |
| 15:06.59 | Intangir | and i see ALOT of them |
| 15:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather delete my character than go resto |
| 15:07.15 | Intangir | well your loss |
| 15:07.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | healing is the most soul-crushing job ever in WoW |
| 15:07.28 | Intangir | it is fun for some |
| 15:07.28 | deltron | resto druids are amazing healers in BG |
| 15:07.31 | Intangir | not fun for others |
| 15:07.32 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwh1MWg1LLA <-- because it's tuesday! |
| 15:07.33 | deltron | and they are not tree's |
| 15:07.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was resto for about a year |
| 15:07.41 | Codayus | I like healing. :-) |
| 15:07.52 | deltron | I'm resto on my shaman :P |
| 15:08.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm never going to deal with the victimization, lack of appreciation, and complete boredom it brings about |
| 15:08.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ever again |
| 15:08.18 | art3mis | heh i played holy for a while but i prefer shadow |
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| 15:08.37 | Codayus | Lack of appreciation isn't a problem with the *role* so much as the people you hang out with, IMHO. |
| 15:08.39 | art3mis | healing is fun and all but it's just so much more fun where your job is "dps that" |
| 15:08.53 | Intangir | Mr_Rabies2: if you find a good arena teammate you wont be under appreciated |
| 15:08.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | Codayus, very few people appreciate good healing |
| 15:08.57 | Codayus | I admit, DPS is...a hell of a lot simpler. |
| 15:09.00 | Intangir | also if you want serious appreciation, heal a rogue |
| 15:09.03 | Codayus | Good and bad. |
| 15:09.03 | art3mis | and way more fun |
| 15:09.04 | Intangir | rogues never ever get any fucking heals |
| 15:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really, Codayus, healing's just as simple |
| 15:09.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you're entirely in the back of the fight nonstop |
| 15:09.26 | art3mis | in raids i usually play a game called "lets steal aggro and give it back" |
| 15:09.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's incredibly boring |
| 15:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | Intangir, in my group they get heals, because my main is a rogue. :) |
| 15:09.37 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: Um...no. The actual mechanics of it? Simpler, if anything. But in terms of overall stress and so forth? No comparison. |
| 15:09.38 | Intangir | i give my healers christmas cards |
| 15:09.39 | werePuppy | I'm running out of alternative nicks.. :P |
| 15:09.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's only stressful because people love blaming healers, Codayus |
| 15:09.54 | Intangir | i invite them to family only events |
| 15:09.56 | Intangir | like weddings |
| 15:10.01 | Intangir | give them free buffets |
| 15:10.01 | art3mis | Intangir: thanks for the heals this year, next year let's try not sucking so much, k? |
| 15:10.07 | Intangir | as long as they arent in bear form |
| 15:10.17 | Codayus | I played holy for ages, and respecced shadow to help our class balance. I kinda miss healing. It's nice to just zone out and DPS a mob. |
| 15:10.26 | zenzelezz | the way I see it, you have to be a very poor healer to be the reason for wipes and similar problems |
| 15:10.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's really damn simple, even pre lifebloom and swiftmend |
| 15:10.37 | art3mis | Codayus: it's only fun if you're competeing |
| 15:10.50 | Codayus | But...if I screw up, I drop a couple places on the meters. So? |
| 15:10.56 | Intangir | well i only have 1 70, probably wont get another |
| 15:10.58 | art3mis | ie find someone in yer group and see who can dps more ;P |
| 15:10.59 | Intangir | and rogues cant heal |
| 15:11.03 | Intangir | so ill probably never heal for shit |
| 15:11.04 | art3mis | just one person |
| 15:11.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | with lifebloom and swiftmend it's incredibly freaking simple |
| 15:11.20 | art3mis | be it a rogue or lock or other SP(they're the best to have contests with) |
| 15:11.59 | art3mis | oh and always remind the hunters in the group that they're priest food, always have been always will be, at every opportunity |
| 15:12.00 | cog|work | cg'UFDC>cDoekincd"NFIXC'NCXV.EICN>"U |
| 15:12.18 | art3mis | ~rot13 cog|work: well put. |
| 15:12.18 | purl | pbt|jbex: jryy chg. |
| 15:12.34 | cog|work | that was actually random kb mashing >< |
| 15:12.36 | kadrahil | cog|work: keylogger! |
| 15:12.52 | art3mis | cog|work: you've got an odd shaped forehead ;) |
| 15:12.57 | Intangir | k ill brb i gotta figure out something |
| 15:13.06 | cog|work | art3mis: no, just an odd kb layout :P |
| 15:13.07 | Intangir | btw im totally getting season3 the second it comes out ;) |
| 15:13.10 | cog|work | Dvorak 4tw |
| 15:13.14 | Intangir | i am thinking fists for now |
| 15:13.32 | art3mis | cog uses the Dworkin layout |
| 15:13.42 | Codayus | Appreciation helps a lot though; otherwise healers (or tanks) will burn out fast. |
| 15:13.53 | cog|work | What the hell happened between home and work that killed the forum login server? |
| 15:13.57 | Codayus | DPS can motivate themselves on meters, but trying to top healing meters is...not a good idea. |
| 15:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | tanks are overbabied from personal experience |
| 15:14.06 | art3mis | cog|work: you went to work, duh |
| 15:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | they get lots of free upgrades, oftentimes get all their consumables and even repair bills covered |
| 15:14.29 | art3mis | Codayus: it is if its the REAL heal;ing meters and not the raw ;P |
| 15:14.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, no healing meters are accurate really |
| 15:14.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you have to accomodate for DoTs |
| 15:14.57 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: And? They're least replacable, under a lot of pressure, and face higher bills... |
| 15:15.01 | art3mis | to a degree i guess |
| 15:15.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and their natural overhealing |
| 15:15.02 | zenzelezz | in my guild everyone pays their own consumables and repairs; gear is only favored in special circumstances |
| 15:15.11 | cog|work | I'm jealous of my wife... We just got a plasma and since we're in between busy cycles at work she gets to stay home with it all day |
| 15:15.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Codayus, they're way overbabied while healers get no respect |
| 15:15.29 | Codayus | art3mis: Disagree. In a boss fight, healers have assignments. If they don't follow them, we'll wipe. Depending on the assignment, you'll see vast swings in performance. |
| 15:15.36 | cog|work | I suppose I should be jealous of the plasma... |
| 15:15.40 | Codayus | And depending on the fight too... |
| 15:15.43 | art3mis | cog|work: thats okay im sure the mailman LOVES the new TV;) |
| 15:15.47 | kadrahil | at level 20 for a priest, would 5/5 imp wands be better than getting mind flay? |
| 15:15.56 | art3mis | i know *I* do |
| 15:16.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never use my wand |
| 15:16.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost never, that is |
| 15:16.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | mind flay was amazing |
| 15:16.11 | |Jelly| | Curator baby! :P |
| 15:16.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it made my grinding speed up a ton |
| 15:16.26 | art3mis | mf rocks |
| 15:16.30 | Codayus | CoH healing melee on VR? WIN. Told to raid heal Lurker? Uh...not so much. Doesn't mean they're doing any better or worse job... |
| 15:16.39 | |Jelly| | Granted if you're shadow...you shouldn't wand Curator during Evocation either. : / |
| 15:16.51 | Codayus | Focusing on meters (even effective) meters encourages ninja healing. :-( |
| 15:16.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | shield self, mindblast pull, fear, mindflay, |
| 15:17.03 | art3mis | it makes me feel like the emperor in Star Wars ;P |
| 15:17.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | mindflay until fear breaks then reshield/fear as necessary and repeat until mob is dead |
| 15:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was soloing 28-29 elites at 26 on my priest, easily |
| 15:17.56 | Codayus | Incidentally, in my guild we don't favor MTs with gear, consumables, or repairs. Perhaps coincidentally our primary MT is taking a break, and our progression is stalling as we wipe to farm content. |
| 15:18.00 | art3mis | and it just gets soooo much better when you get shadowform ;P |
| 15:18.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks to mind flay's ability to redirect feared mobs |
| 15:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, art3mis |
| 15:18.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was tanking SM at 40 |
| 15:18.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | getting at the top of EVERY chart |
| 15:18.38 | art3mis | hehe on purpose? |
| 15:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 15:18.47 | art3mis | i used to tank sm all the time |
| 15:18.53 | art3mis | 80% of that wasnt planned though |
| 15:19.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the real tank couldn't hold aggro so i went into "screw this i'm dragging the other 4 of you noobs through here" |
| 15:19.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | and so i did |
| 15:19.15 | art3mis | hehe yeah |
| 15:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | tanking it and getting at the top of every meter by a huge huge percentage |
| 15:19.20 | art3mis | SP's are impatient |
| 15:19.35 | art3mis | ive never met a SP that is content to wait for pulls on 5mans |
| 15:19.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | damage taken, damage dealt, healing taken, healing dealt |
| 15:19.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh, you should see me on my druid |
| 15:20.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pull just out of the comfort zone |
| 15:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | in terms of speed |
| 15:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it works |
| 15:20.08 | art3mis | *press button* then you've got 1.5seconds to type "incoming!" |
| 15:20.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | shaves off a ton of time |
| 15:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | leaves the party on their toes |
| 15:20.38 | art3mis | they stopped asking if i was ready after mana breaks and stuff if they saw me shield |
| 15:20.51 | Codayus | Fast pulls are good. |
| 15:20.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i like to innervate the healer and pull before he realizes what's up |
| 15:21.06 | Codayus | Keeps people alert, cuts down on boredom, helps you be more productive. |
| 15:21.07 | art3mis | i miss those days |
| 15:21.15 | art3mis | when it was all new |
| 15:21.20 | Codayus | Even if it causes a rare wipe now and again, in the long run...it's good. |
| 15:21.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i've innervated while TANKING before |
| 15:21.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not often a good idea |
| 15:21.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | but sometimes it's the only thing preventing a wipe |
| 15:21.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 15:21.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do it on trash all the time, for epenis points |
| 15:22.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but on bosses, rarely when it's required :p |
| 15:22.11 | Codayus | Heh, I've seen druids battle rez while tanking, kinda. (Offtanking Gruul. Not too dangerous with good timing...) |
| 15:22.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i've battle res'd while tanking heroic bosses |
| 15:22.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not a good idea 99% of the time |
| 15:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | If people pull that whole "pull while the healer is drinking", I don't stand up until I'm at full. If they die, it's their problem, not mine. And then I leave. *shrug* |
| 15:22.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Lopeppeppy, i don't mind |
| 15:22.44 | Codayus | Of course, the person being rezzed was retarded, ignored instructions, and popped up RIGHT during a shatter. |
| 15:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know how long i survive |
| 15:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i let the healer drink |
| 15:22.53 | Codayus | Guess where you pop up when rezzed? |
| 15:23.06 | |Jelly| | HELL? |
| 15:23.07 | Codayus | RIGHT on the person who rezzed you! I did mention he was the OT, right? >< |
| 15:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | There's nothing more annoying than being the healer and always being rushed. I'd rather not do an instance than require Tums after an instance. |
| 15:23.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i rush them |
| 15:23.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | keep em on their toes :D |
| 15:23.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes healing less boring |
| 15:23.51 | Codayus | Lopeppeppy: Pft, if there isn't chain pulling, *I'll* pull. As the healer. :-) |
| 15:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | Good for you. *shrug* |
| 15:24.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really rush, but we rarely wipe |
| 15:24.14 | Codayus | I'd rather not do an instance that requires heavy caffiene just to stay awake. |
| 15:24.14 | art3mis | but i fear i must be blunt, i'd just as soon not go near your balloon i think ill stick to your .........front |
| 15:24.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't feel like waiting for people to get bored out of their skulls and halfass things |
| 15:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | which leads to more wipes than rushing |
| 15:24.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather be bored than annoyed and rushed. There's a fine line between constant progress at the edge of the comfort zone, and making the healer hate you. |
| 15:25.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tell them to keep drinking unless it looks bad |
| 15:25.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | works 99% of the time |
| 15:25.09 | zenzelezz | think people get tired of having me tank things, I go slowly to make sure people are ready |
| 15:25.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, i can shift out and barkskin and heal myself a decent amount of time |
| 15:25.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenzelezz, i cant stand tanks like that |
| 15:25.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always space out |
| 15:25.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and read irc while dpsing |
| 15:25.51 | Codayus | People get bored...tab out to read forums...go afk...others go afk while waiting for the FIRST afk people to come back... |
| 15:25.51 | art3mis | hehe ive walked out of groups that wanted me to heal but had no concept of "keeping things from hitting me" |
| 15:26.01 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: you're the kind of DPS I don't care to save then |
| 15:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | going slow makes me lose interest |
| 15:26.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ...in instances. |
| 15:26.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | <_< |
| 15:26.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | >_> |
| 15:26.38 | zenzelezz | personal opinon issue |
| 15:26.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather be pushed past the comfort zone |
| 15:26.50 | zenzelezz | I don't mind people rushing everything; just don't bring me in those teams |
| 15:26.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i'm given time to space out |
| 15:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i will |
| 15:27.09 | Kaydeethree | shuttle launch today |
| 15:27.24 | Codayus | Then, a rogue - always a rogue - gets so bored he decides to do something stupid. Using involving sprint, vanish, a /dance macro, and/or the comment "watch this!". :-/ |
| 15:27.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i push the groups because i know all the pulls, i know how hard each mob hits, and i know every instance like the back of my hand |
| 15:27.39 | art3mis | Kaydeethree: ISS resupply? |
| 15:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather not accomodate for bad players |
| 15:27.57 | zenzelezz | I don't do PUGs, I'm talking only friend/guildie teams |
| 15:27.58 | Kaydeethree | they're bringing up another pressurized section too iirc |
| 15:28.03 | art3mis | ooo |
| 15:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz, i rush even more in guild runs |
| 15:28.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i know they can handle faster pulls |
| 15:28.14 | zenzelezz | many people do |
| 15:28.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty good at gauging wait times |
| 15:28.37 | art3mis | it's a lot bigger than i thought it would be, watched this thing on discovery HD that was the first "live" broadcast from the station |
| 15:28.44 | Kaydeethree | ~10 minutes til launch according to nasatv |
| 15:28.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i let the dps drink too and just sit there tanking it for a minute or so until the healer's up and ready to go |
| 15:28.48 | art3mis | only a 3second lag on voice |
| 15:28.59 | Codayus | DPS should be drinking more than the healers anyhow. :-) |
| 15:29.09 | Codayus | That keeps a decent check on things. |
| 15:29.31 | zenzelezz | I run my groups close to dictatorships if someone asks me to come to an instance. You either do it my way or you find someone else. If I can't trust the group to try to keep everyone alive I don't want the team in the first place |
| 15:29.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've gotten mobs to 80% in heroics before the healer stands up and been fine :O |
| 15:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz, same |
| 15:30.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i run very quickly and expect people to keep up |
| 15:30.23 | zenzelezz | yes, you've said so about five times already :-p |
| 15:30.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't accomodate for bad players by giving everyone 2 minutes between each pull |
| 15:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they learn to manage mana and overall makes the run a lot faster |
| 15:31.06 | |Jelly| | Two reasons I don't PUG. Right there. |
| 15:31.09 | Codayus | You should come to one of our Kara runs with our primary MT. It's fun. |
| 15:31.13 | Shirik | I love this |
| 15:31.16 | Shirik | I emailed myself something |
| 15:31.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | shaving off 30 seconds per pull really helps in the long run |
| 15:31.19 | |Jelly| | Dictator? Fuck off imo. No time to drink? Fuck off imo. |
| 15:31.21 | Codayus | Also, exciting. |
| 15:31.31 | Shirik | I recieeve the email: "Outlook has blocked the following potentially unsafe documents: CEC460.doc" |
| 15:31.37 | |Jelly| | (no offense :P) |
| 15:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | jelly, you'd rather take 4 hours to run steamvaults? |
| 15:31.43 | Shirik | wtf is the point of attachments these days if you can't even use them |
| 15:31.44 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: I'm perfectly frank about it before I accept an invite, and as I said, I only run with people who know what I'm like |
| 15:31.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can make steamvaults take 30 minutes |
| 15:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we do fine |
| 15:32.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've also been in 4 hour steamvaults runs |
| 15:32.06 | art3mis | shirik: lern2configoutlooknoob |
| 15:32.14 | Lopeppeppy | I can make Steamvaults in 45 and we all have fun without Tums. It doesn't have to be superfast and stressful. |
| 15:32.15 | Shirik | I just took 5 minutes configuring it |
| 15:32.20 | |Jelly| | I stick by my statement. I'd rather have fun for four hours than be constantly fucked with. |
| 15:32.22 | Shirik | I shouldn't have to change every aspect of it |
| 15:32.29 | art3mis | well obviously you suck really bad at that then ;P |
| 15:32.35 | Kaydeethree | ah, part of me wishes I still lived in Florida |
| 15:32.37 | Shirik | no |
| 15:32.41 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: I could take the time to elaborate but I won't bother |
| 15:32.45 | Shirik | my IT department just requires that you do every odd thing possible |
| 15:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | jelly, i wouldn't, because i push people as far as i know they can handle it |
| 15:32.57 | Shirik | 14(1111:3211:0914) 14(1115Kaydeethree14) ah, part of me wishes I still lived in Florida |
| 15:33.01 | Shirik | I live in florida :D |
| 15:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they can't handle my pacing they're probably not good players |
| 15:33.08 | Kaydeethree | go watch the shuttle launch |
| 15:33.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and are probably easily replaced :O |
| 15:33.12 | Kaydeethree | ~5 minutes |
| 15:33.13 | Shirik | wait is that today? |
| 15:33.14 | Shirik | omg |
| 15:33.15 | art3mis | *rightclick select zip and email* TADA! |
| 15:33.18 | |Jelly| | I'm really not arguing with either of you -- simply stating my opinion, much like you did. |
| 15:33.28 | Codayus | Lopeppeppy: If you're running it in 45 minutes, then you're chain pulling, or outgear the instance amazingly. Either way... |
| 15:33.41 | cog|work | I think the tags are my favorite part of /. |
| 15:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Either way, I'm not eating Tums? *shrug* |
| 15:33.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | 45 mins is about my average for pugs when i'm running the show in steamvaults |
| 15:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | for guild runs, 30 is what i try for |
| 15:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway. You run it your way, I'll run it mine, and we'll all have our own varieties of "fun". |
| 15:34.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think everyone enjoys it more when they're just outside the comfort zone |
| 15:34.28 | art3mis | peppy doesnt |
| 15:34.35 | Codayus | Lopeppeppy: Um, well if option A, your complaining about something you YOURSELF do. And if B, then you should be able to do crazy things without "needing Tums"... |
| 15:34.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | enough for it to be challenging but not enough so that every pull doesn't feel like we're gonna wipe |
| 15:34.50 | art3mis | Kaydeethree: last live shuttle launch i watched exploded |
| 15:34.55 | art3mis | back in the 80s |
| 15:34.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | look away art3mis |
| 15:35.05 | Kaydeethree | ..was about to say. challenger was a long time ago |
| 15:35.06 | Cide | but wiping is so fun |
| 15:35.10 | art3mis | yup |
| 15:35.23 | art3mis | it's easily one of the most amazing things ive ever seen |
| 15:35.31 | cog|work | thank goodness for context... |
| 15:35.39 | art3mis | laugh cog |
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| 15:37.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, i've misjudged a few times and caused a wipe, but i've apologized and everyone seemed happy enough |
| 15:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't rush when i know the group can't handle it but usually i end up bowing out if i realize it's going to take all day |
| 15:38.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'd rather not brute force an instance |
| 15:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's expensive :/ |
| 15:38.22 | zenzelezz | this is another reason I prefer PvE realms, fewer people with the rush attitude |
| 15:38.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | LIFTOFF |
| 15:38.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm on a pve realm zenz |
| 15:38.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i think i throw people off |
| 15:38.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | because so many are content to take 4 hours in an instance i can clear in an hour or hour and a half |
| 15:39.08 | Codayus | zenzelezz: I'm on PvE, and I don't like having my time wasted. And from experience....it's damn rare people do. |
| 15:39.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but when they're done they thank me on my tanking abilities and seem to thoroughly enjoy the challenge |
| 15:39.23 | Codayus | Hell, it's rare for a guildie to HAVE a 4 hour chunk of time to burn. |
| 15:40.02 | zenzelezz | you assume I waste time; unless you consider every second between a pull excessive then you've made a bad assumption |
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| 15:40.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just run with people who speak proper english and know what they're doing |
| 15:40.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i leave bad pugs or kick bad players all the time |
| 15:41.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, not necessarily proper english but above the average wow player's |
| 15:41.39 | zenzelezz | don't think I've done a PUG in seven or eight months, after guildies all hit 70 |
| 15:41.42 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: A comment about that is in our guilds recruitment ads, and we DO deny apps for poor grammar and leet speak. |
| 15:41.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pug all the time |
| 15:41.54 | Codayus | Harsh? Probably. :-) |
| 15:41.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i know how to pick em |
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| 15:42.00 | Codayus | No regrets though. |
| 15:42.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm incredibly tough on my groups but i think they appreciate someone taking some initiative |
| 15:42.39 | Kaydeethree | y'know, it defies comprehension at just how quickly the shuttle can pick-up-and-go |
| 15:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i scale it up and down based on their performance, rarely has it been fast enough to be a problem unless a pull goes bad |
| 15:42.51 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 15:42.55 | |Jelly| | Was thinking the same thing, KD3 |
| 15:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i mess up more than speed |
| 15:43.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | pull a mob two seconds too late and pull some adds |
| 15:43.08 | art3mis | and just how awesome the launch pad is with that kind of temp being blasted on it |
| 15:43.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually adds aren't too big of a deal :O |
| 15:43.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | Codayus, it's not harsh |
| 15:43.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | the average wow player is a damn moron |
| 15:43.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | a filter is good |
| 15:44.38 | |Jelly| | 281mi in 5min? lewl |
| 15:45.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they're basically strapping a reenforced jet to a massive fuel tank and solid fuel boosters |
| 15:45.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's bound to really go |
| 15:45.31 | art3mis | heh |
| 15:45.52 | art3mis | have you seen that they're gonna be decomissioning the shuttle series and heading back to the appollo style? |
| 15:46.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw a rebuilt saturn rocket |
| 15:46.13 | Kaydeethree | cheaper and safer, can't complain |
| 15:46.16 | Codayus | Ah? I'd seen some discussions, but hadn't heard that. |
| 15:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was absolutely massive compared to the shuttle |
| 15:46.20 | Codayus | Probably for the best. |
| 15:46.21 | art3mis | yeah im kind of glad |
| 15:46.40 | Codayus | Nostalgia aside, the shuttle concept as implemented has been...ummm. A learning experience? |
| 15:46.42 | foxlit | Heroic Capacitus is so awesome |
| 15:46.44 | art3mis | and besides the russian shuttle is so much cooler |
| 15:46.48 | Codayus | I think that's the nicest thing I can say about it. :-) |
| 15:46.50 | foxlit | 14k, 14k, aggro. |
| 15:47.05 | Kaydeethree | the russian shuttle was a straight copy/paste of ours |
| 15:47.08 | Shirik | I think moving to the apollo style rockets will be an incredibly stupid decision |
| 15:47.13 | art3mis | yeah but with style ;P |
| 15:47.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | shuttles are good for going from air to space and back and not much else |
| 15:47.19 | Shirik | the current shuttle has its own problems yes |
| 15:47.22 | Shirik | but so did the apolllo series |
| 15:47.26 | Shirik | s/lll/ll/ |
| 15:47.42 | Shirik | They need a new approach |
| 15:47.49 | Codayus | foxlit: Yar. I wish the fight was less aggro sensitive though... |
| 15:48.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the apollo problems were inexperience and technical hurdles we're well passed today |
| 15:48.08 | art3mis | it was in alst months scientific american |
| 15:48.15 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't call it aggro sensitive... just hit Taunt every 8 seconds and you'll be fine almost all the time |
| 15:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | taunt does nothing if you have aggro |
| 15:48.27 | Shirik | no Mr_Rabies |
| 15:48.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 15:48.29 | Shirik | I'm not talk about that |
| 15:48.41 | Shirik | I'm talking about the design problems |
| 15:48.47 | zenzelezz | if you keep using it you're likely to hit it soon after someone steals aggro |
| 15:48.57 | Codayus | Umm |
| 15:49.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not a good idea zenz :/ |
| 15:49.04 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It has one other benefit actually :) |
| 15:49.11 | Shirik | If someone else is above you on threat |
| 15:49.15 | Shirik | you pull up to where they are |
| 15:49.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | that means you could hit it one second early |
| 15:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and you just wasted it more or less |
| 15:49.33 | Shirik | (keeping in mind that someone has to reach 110%/130% of your threat before they pull) |
| 15:49.36 | Shirik | Not exactly, Mr_Rabies |
| 15:49.42 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: you still have two taunts |
| 15:49.44 | art3mis | http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=71A2231A-E7F2-99DF-3D394760732BB532&chanID=sa026 |
| 15:49.49 | Shirik | I doubt you can pass 10%/30% in that short time |
| 15:50.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz, mocking blow for warriros and a 10 min cooldown |
| 15:50.17 | Codayus | Shirik: They could be on 129%, and if memory serves, you will get no threat from that if you taunt. |
| 15:50.18 | Shirik | yeah art3mis I got an IEEE article about it a while ago |
| 15:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids have a 10 min cooldown and growl, no mocking blo equivalent |
| 15:50.23 | Shirik | Codayus: Druids don't |
| 15:50.26 | Shirik | Warriors would |
| 15:50.30 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: I'm not a druid |
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| 15:50.35 | Codexius | hey guys |
| 15:50.39 | Shirik | hi |
| 15:50.41 | |Jelly| | hi |
| 15:50.46 | Codexius | you know icon paths such as "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_Fanaticism"? |
| 15:50.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's better to hit taunt as soon as they get aggro isntead |
| 15:51.04 | Shirik | it's a different way of playing |
| 15:51.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | just gotta be on your toes |
| 15:51.08 | zenzelezz | I disagree; but you're too annoying to try to argue with |
| 15:51.10 | Shirik | Druids can't do what zenzelezz says, imho |
| 15:51.11 | Kaso | yes Codexius ? |
| 15:51.12 | Codexius | how do i get the icon path in that format for the icon http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Misc_Gem_Diamond_07.png |
| 15:51.26 | Shirik | But warriors can because of that increased threat they get |
| 15:51.30 | Codexius | cant figure out how to format that icon path to be readable |
| 15:51.42 | Kaso | all icons are in Interface\Icons\ |
| 15:51.45 | Kaydeethree | it'd just be [[Image:Spell_Holy_Fanaticism.png]] |
| 15:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz, snapping aggro back when someone grabs aggro is much more threat than hitting it every 8 seconds |
| 15:52.01 | Codexius | no the icon i want is INV_Misc_Gem_Diamond_07.png |
| 15:52.04 | Kaso | is he talking about on wowwiki not in UI? |
| 15:52.07 | Codexius | but i dont know ITS path |
| 15:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hitting it every 8 seconds nets you 0 aggro, it just sticks the mob to you for a couple seconds every 8 seconds |
| 15:52.15 | Codayus | Shirik: Um, are you SURE? I think it just gives you the threat of the person with AGGRO... *checks* |
| 15:52.20 | Codexius | wowwiki has ap icture of an icon, i need that icons path in wow |
| 15:52.21 | Codexius | :/ |
| 15:52.25 | Codexius | picture* |
| 15:52.40 | Kaso | Interface\Icons\ is the path in wow |
| 15:52.45 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: you only get their threat at the time of the taunt; it's easy as hell to go above the limit again in no time |
| 15:52.47 | Codayus | "You are given threat equal to the mob's previous aggro target, permanently. Importantly, you won't necessarily get as much threat as the highest person on the mob's list, only as much as whoever is currently tanking it." |
| 15:52.48 | Kaydeethree | then it should be \\Interface\\Icons\\Inv_Misc_Gem_Diamond_07.blp |
| 15:52.51 | Codexius | Interface\\Icons\\MISC\\GEM\\DIAMOND\\07? |
| 15:52.55 | Codexius | oh |
| 15:52.55 | Codayus | From Kenco's guide to threat. |
| 15:53.00 | zenzelezz | better to keep up with them while they're between you and the aggro margin |
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| 15:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, zenz, but you get none if you hit it every 8 secodnds |
| 15:53.12 | zenzelezz | assuming they go above you in the first place |
| 15:53.15 | art3mis | http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=6349388E-E7F2-99DF-32F932413468367D&chanID=sa026 |
| 15:53.19 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:53.19 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:53.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you get no threat whatsoever if you hit taunt when you have aggro |
| 15:53.24 | Shirik | I'll test this later |
| 15:53.25 | Codexius | so how come, Kaydeethree, the spell_holy_fantacism example i gave u didnt end in /blp? |
| 15:53.36 | Codayus | Not 100% it's accurate, but I had heard that before, and Kenco generally has SOME clue. :-) |
| 15:53.38 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 15:53.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | you jsut get a guaranteed 3 seconds of aggro |
| 15:53.51 | Thrae | Let's talk complicated algorithms -- why does Blizzard use the statistical constant 'e' in determining Arena points? |
| 15:54.07 | art3mis | <3 LHC |
| 15:54.08 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: as I told Jelly, I could elaborate, but talking to you is just boring as hell |
| 15:54.23 | cncfanatics | is Slouken aware of this bug ? he didn't answer at all http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518013654&postId=24689999691&sid=1#0 |
| 15:54.35 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, you love the collider? |
| 15:54.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've studied aggro behavior, hitting taunt every 8 seconds is a nice waste of a cooldown |
| 15:54.40 | |Jelly| | zenzelezz: DON'T TAZE ME, BRO! |
| 15:54.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not much else |
| 15:54.44 | art3mis | TC: yup |
| 15:54.49 | zenzelezz | there's nothing worse than people who are almost as annoying as myself |
| 15:54.55 | zenzelezz | impossible to talk to |
| 15:55.06 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, it's not even done yet |
| 15:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it nets you 0 aggro unless you happen to hit it when someone else is tanking it during that 8 seconds |
| 15:55.17 | art3mis | if it does what its supposed to we'll finally have a real higgs |
| 15:55.22 | Thrae | points = 1511.26 / (1+1639.28 * e^(-0.00412 * rating) ) |
| 15:55.23 | art3mis | read the above |
| 15:55.33 | art3mis | scheduled for fire up may 2008 |
| 15:55.36 | Thrae | I think some programmers just like complicated equations. |
| 15:55.46 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: use some sense for christs sake, you spam it as long as someone is above you on threat, but still BEFORE they steal aggro |
| 15:55.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it nets you a couple seconds of relief but after that it could easily run to another player and you've got up to 7 seconds until you can hit it again |
| 15:55.51 | Codayus | Thrae: Ugly magic numbers. It must have been chosen for a reason... |
| 15:56.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | you get no threat then, zenz |
| 15:56.02 | Codayus | zenzelezz: Lern2tank. |
| 15:56.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have to have AGGRO for you to get any threat |
| 15:56.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | not just be above you |
| 15:56.15 | art3mis | i actually had a day of mourning when the stopped funding and started dismantling the SCSC |
| 15:56.26 | cog|work | How many times and in how many ways will I have to remind people that when I say a URL that doesn't start with www, DON'T FEKKING PUT IN A WWW |
| 15:56.28 | art3mis | the==they |
| 15:56.35 | Thrae | Codayus: Could have something to do with if the rating is below 1500, then it's only 0.22 * rating + 14. Maybe they used that first and found balancing problems over 1500. |
| 15:56.36 | cog|work | </RantAtBoss> |
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| 15:56.48 | art3mis | hahaha cog |
| 15:56.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | being able to snap aggro back the second they get it is very important to maintaining healthy threat levels |
| 15:56.55 | Thrae | cog|work: Some "helpful" browsers will do it for you |
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| 15:57.06 | art3mis | my resposne is always "i dont remmeber saying www at the front of that, why did you type it?" |
| 15:57.06 | Codayus | Thrae: Yar. But still. It offends my sensibilities. |
| 15:57.17 | cog|work | Thrae: if he'd just hit enter instead of ctrl-enter it wouldn't |
| 15:57.35 | cog|work | he specifically makes a choice to add the www |
| 15:57.51 | Thrae | Codayus: I had to go into #math to figure out how to get ratings from points...been a while since I had to solve an equation where I had to take the natural log of one side |
| 15:58.09 | Codayus | Thrae: Heh, haven't had to do that since undergrad... |
| 15:58.24 | cncfanatics | cog|work, sry to bother you again but do you know if slouken is aware of http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518013654&postId=24689999691&sid=1#0 ? |
| 15:58.27 | Thrae | !ap 1500 |
| 15:58.28 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena points from a rating of 1500 is, 2v2: 261, 3v3: 302, 5v5: 344 |
| 15:58.38 | Codayus | (Telecoms major. dbs are fun...) |
| 15:58.52 | art3mis | !ap 1900 |
| 15:58.53 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Arena points from a rating of 1900 is, 2v2: 694, 3v3: 804, 5v5: 914 |
| 15:59.14 | cog|work | cncfanatics: i know as much as you do given the lack of response :P |
| 15:59.21 | Thrae | !ar 914 |
| 15:59.21 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena rating from 914 points is, 2v2: 1966, 3v3: 1931, 5v5: 1900 |
| 15:59.46 | cncfanatics | cog|work, would you mind bumping it ? can't post on US |
| 16:00.03 | Thrae | math.max(0,math.floor(math.log(((1511.26/points)-1)/1639.28*rating_mod[size])/-0.00412 + 0.5)) |
| 16:00.11 | Thrae | That's points --> rating |
| 16:00.17 | Codayus | That's ugly. :-( |
| 16:00.24 | cog|work | cncfanatics: refresh :P |
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| 16:01.10 | Codex-DESTROMATH | err |
| 16:01.12 | Codex-DESTROMATH | that didnt work |
| 16:01.23 | cncfanatics | ty Mr American |
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| 16:07.23 | art3mis | wow |
| 16:07.32 | art3mis | 1 CND == 1.04 USD |
| 16:08.06 | art3mis | go go gadget Republican world commerce plan! |
| 16:08.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | a weak dollar is no indicator of a strong or weak economy |
| 16:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually it favors our exporting and tourism type stuff :O |
| 16:10.27 | cncfanatics | thats what all americans say tbh |
| 16:10.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | plenty of nations have been trying to devalue the dollar slowly to try to prevent a major crash if it suddenly devaules more quickly than the market can handle |
| 16:10.52 | cncfanatics | the dolar crashing would at least make oil some cheaper here in europe (a) |
| 16:10.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's true, cncfanatics, a weak dollar is no indicator of a weak economy |
| 16:11.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would still be more expensive there than here |
| 16:11.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you pay out the ass in taxes |
| 16:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | your taxes overwhelm the difference by a ton |
| 16:11.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | overall it's roughly the same per barrel then the consumers get charged out the ass via taxes |
| 16:12.23 | cncfanatics | true enough |
| 16:12.36 | cncfanatics | but a weak dollar is , somewhat, an indicator of a weak economy , though not as much as most idiots think it is |
| 16:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | no matter what unless you can get taxes dropped you'll be paying more than the us |
| 16:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we pay a lot less in taxes on it, but still way too much |
| 16:13.27 | cncfanatics | well |
| 16:13.34 | cncfanatics | we still both end up paying the same / km |
| 16:13.43 | cncfanatics | cuz american cars are so god damn stupid with fuel usage compared to ours |
| 16:14.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | all these stereotypes are driving me batty |
| 16:14.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'll just go to bed and leave you to your devices for hating america on every possible front |
| 16:14.54 | Cidan | 'cept cncfanatics is correct. Out MPG is insane. |
| 16:15.02 | Cidan | out == our. |
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| 16:15.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's awful in my vehicle, but hell it was free |
| 16:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get about 12 mpg because it's a bronco |
| 16:15.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | back when SUVs had real truck frames and not pussy car frames |
| 16:15.50 | Thrae | What are you talking about, US vs Japan? Yeah, Japanese cars are very fuel efficient. |
| 16:16.28 | cncfanatics | US cars are just damn inneficient compared to the rest of the world :p |
| 16:16.55 | Thrae | American car manufacturers are still hugging to the idea of Nascar fans being the general populace of car owners. |
| 16:17.11 | Cidan | That's absurd Thrae. |
| 16:17.14 | Thrae | "If my car can't hit 300MPH in 3 seconds, then it's worthless!" |
| 16:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | US everything is apparently just damn inefficient compared to the rest of the world if i'm to take the flawed opinions of some people in here as fact |
| 16:17.32 | cncfanatics | Mr_Rabies2, about cars, its a fact |
| 16:17.42 | cncfanatics | not talking about the rest because I don't know, but it sure is true for cars |
| 16:17.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | compared to japan, perhaps |
| 16:18.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but europe's not far off except for the cars designed specifically with that in mind |
| 16:18.09 | art3mis | cidan: go make me a themer |
| 16:18.11 | Cidan | Mr_Rabies2: I'm American, I love my country and I was born here. America is falling behind though in almost every front, education, technology, science and now economy. |
| 16:18.24 | Thrae | cncfanatics: Whoever said American Car manufacturers are mainly concerned with mileage? |
| 16:18.36 | Cidan | I'm not trying to be a "HAHA AMERICA SUCKS" type of person |
| 16:18.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thrae, that's because the companies know their market well enough |
| 16:18.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | they make what sells |
| 16:18.48 | Cidan | But I AM advocating for changes, not just complaining. |
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| 16:18.55 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Right |
| 16:18.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have nothing wrong with making what sells |
| 16:19.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no reason for them to strive for more efficient cars until demand for them goes up |
| 16:19.27 | Cidan | hah |
| 16:19.38 | Cidan | Yeah okay Mr_Rabies2, take it easy |
| 16:19.40 | Beladona | the problem is, an environment lacking efficiency doesn't foster demand |
| 16:19.40 | Cidan | Off to class. |
| 16:19.46 | Beladona | people are ignorant |
| 16:19.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | Beladona |
| 16:19.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ignorant deserve to be punished |
| 16:20.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i don't mind |
| 16:20.03 | Thrae | Saying American car manufacturers make "inefficient cars" is stupid. They have decent bottom lines, because they sell cars people want. Their engines are inefficient because some people want 12031 horsepower engines. |
| 16:20.06 | Beladona | maybe |
| 16:20.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, i take my shitty mpg |
| 16:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the car was free |
| 16:20.27 | Beladona | its gettign better |
| 16:20.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | in pure economics it just makes sense over the course of a few years |
| 16:20.32 | Thrae | Anyway, I drive a '99 Toyota Corolla. |
| 16:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i drive a 95 ford bronco |
| 16:20.49 | Beladona | I am just waiting for alternative fuel cars to replace the norm |
| 16:20.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | costs me about 80 bucks to fill the tank |
| 16:20.51 | Thrae | ~34MPG on the highway, mmmm. |
| 16:21.01 | Beladona | that will probably be another 20 years but hey |
| 16:21.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not Beladona, not until price goes down |
| 16:21.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a 30ish gallon tank i think |
| 16:21.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe 25 |
| 16:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i lost the appropriate paperwork a while ago i think |
| 16:21.45 | Thrae | That's a lot of fuel. |
| 16:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a heavy vehicle though |
| 16:22.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i said, a real frame on it |
| 16:22.11 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: If you have the make, model, and year, you could go to fueleconomy.gov and get its stats. |
| 16:22.24 | Beladona | unfortunately prices go down as demand goes up. but demand won't go up until prices go down. kinda hard to get past without invention from the government to push those types of cars |
| 16:22.29 | Beladona | which they are just starting to do |
| 16:22.33 | cncfanatics | <3 newer lighter cars that take half the fuel of those damn heavy ones (well, not half, but u get what I mean |
| 16:23.26 | [melin} | anyone know when next patch (eu) will be deployed? |
| 16:23.48 | Thrae | Beladona: Really I don't see anything wrong -- we're not in a true oil crisis yet. When the gas prices go up to maybe $6/gallon, then we'll start phasing 'em out. |
| 16:24.34 | Beladona | never said anything was wrong |
| 16:24.46 | Thrae | Beladona: Having the government trying to force its people or companies to sell products that are not in demand seems contrary to the idea of being the voice of the people. Isn't the demand also a voice of the people? |
| 16:24.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | 12/16 mpg on average it seems |
| 16:25.04 | Thrae | Yes, people are generally stupid, but that doesn't mean we always have to think for them. |
| 16:25.07 | Beladona | I am a people |
| 16:25.12 | Beladona | am I not allowed to have a voice? |
| 16:25.21 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 16:25.29 | Thrae | You're allowed to have a voice, just not determine what happens to everyone else, not unless you're elected |
| 16:25.50 | art3mis | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/Archive/Oct2007/scalifornia_amo_2007295_lrg.jpg <-- global pic of the socal firse |
| 16:25.51 | Beladona | seems like demand is going up though |
| 16:25.53 | art3mis | fires |
| 16:25.57 | Maldivia | Thrae: 6ud$/gallon... cheap :) |
| 16:26.03 | Thrae | Then, when you're elected, you yell about the stuff you were elected for and do nothing regarding it, and instead take bribes for the stuff you are yelling against |
| 16:26.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always been a big believer in the market |
| 16:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | when prices raise above what people want to pay |
| 16:26.15 | Beladona | it may not have reached the threshold needed to push it, but its there |
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| 16:26.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | demand will go up for more efficient vehicles |
| 16:26.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's about 2.70 a gallon here |
| 16:26.39 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 16:26.50 | Thrae | Yeah, right now, only San Francisco is raising the demand for hybrid vehicles |
| 16:26.55 | Maldivia | Thrae: gas prices in Denmark is current around 7.2 UD$ pr gallon |
| 16:27.07 | Codayus | SUV sales track gas prices pretty well. Truth is, gas just isn't very expensive right now. |
| 16:27.07 | Maldivia | US$* |
| 16:27.08 | Thrae | Maldivia: People are generally too high to drive in Denmark anyway |
| 16:27.10 | art3mis | thats cuz san fran is full of hippies ;P |
| 16:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet a huge chunk of that is tax, Maldivia |
| 16:27.24 | art3mis | that only eat organic foods and pocket mulch ;P |
| 16:27.31 | Maldivia | Thrae: Denmark... not the Netherlands! |
| 16:27.44 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies2: it is, yeah - how much, I can't remember |
| 16:27.52 | Thrae | Denmark's right next to the Dutch, they're all the same bunch of viking hippies |
| 16:28.00 | Beladona | I am confused, some of your statements suggest the people have a voice and demand is a voice of the people, yet you then say I don't have a say unless I am elected? |
| 16:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | -Viking Kitties? |
| 16:28.05 | art3mis | hahahah viking hippies |
| 16:28.05 | Beladona | isn't that what voting is for? |
| 16:28.11 | Thunder_Child | does "Creature AI has been changed to no longer prioritize attacking unfeared targets over feared targets." mean that the MT can still hold aggro while feared? |
| 16:28.19 | Thunder_Child | from bosses |
| 16:28.22 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Means he has a chance now |
| 16:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | They were working on that for Nightbane, I think it was.... |
| 16:28.40 | Thunder_Child | thats nice |
| 16:28.49 | Thunder_Child | just when they gave all priests fear ward.... |
| 16:29.06 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: More like, just when they nerfed it into unusability... |
| 16:29.06 | Lopeppeppy | I think the general idea is to not have Fear be a wipe-fer-shure? *shrug* |
| 16:29.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | another reason why gas is so expensive is the debeers effect |
| 16:29.22 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies2: ok, latest figures I could find was from 2002, where the taxes was around 50% of the total price at that time |
| 16:29.24 | Kaydeethree | oh wow, they disabled char copy |
| 16:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | controlling supply to increase demand and prices |
| 16:29.32 | Beladona | doh |
| 16:29.41 | Beladona | I was just getting my guildies to copy over too |
| 16:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | Lopeppeppy, it's also a buff to druid and pally tanking |
| 16:30.13 | |Jelly| | Isn't there an addon competing with CML that has FPS in it or was that a hacked version of CML? |
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| 16:30.17 | Thrae | Beladona: Well, even if you yell really loud, you're yelling against Capitalism itself. It's very hard to defeat Capitalism. Took Tobbaco a hell of a long time to start hurting, and even then, that was only because their product was killing people. |
| 16:30.20 | Codexius | 30 min till servers go up :) |
| 16:31.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae, i'm also against all the regulation we have on tobacco, i'm a pretty diehard libertarian :x |
| 16:31.26 | art3mis | thrae: and really there's no proof its the tabacco thats causing it and not environmental effects ;P |
| 16:31.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | though i don't mind taxing on it a bunch |
| 16:31.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think we should legalize certain drugs and tax the hell out of them too |
| 16:31.55 | Beladona | Thrae: let me rephrase my original statement. I think demand is starting to go up, because companies are spending dollars on commercials advertising those types of technologies. I only hope it catches on. I am sorry if you took this to be an indication I was interested in political debate, because I am not |
| 16:32.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | though i don't do any, and try to avoid legal drugs whenever possible too |
| 16:32.08 | art3mis | all the studies that they based it all off of were fraudulent and merely only stated that it was "likely" though not defined as the pure reason. |
| 16:32.26 | Thrae | Beladona: People can yell that car manufacturers should only make hybrid cars, but the thing is, the market doesn't show people want to pay the extra money it'll cost to make engines more efficient, or especially hybrid, and you can't force a company do something unprofitable without severe attacks on our Constitution. |
| 16:32.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not so much the tobacco as it is all the additives, though tobacco itself isn't great for you |
| 16:32.45 | Thrae | Beladona: Oh. Sorry then. |
| 16:32.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | like snus versus chewing tobacco |
| 16:32.55 | |Jelly| | [11:30]<|Jelly|>Isn't there an addon competing with CML that has FPS in it or was that a hacked version of CML? |
| 16:33.04 | Beladona | just like people don't want to spend extra money on a hummer because its sexy you mean? |
| 16:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | snus is relatively safe for you compared to chewing tobacco/snuff/etc |
| 16:33.16 | Beladona | I don't think people have a problem spending money in america |
| 16:33.18 | Thrae | I think everyone should get a hummer. |
| 16:33.23 | Thrae | The cars are nice too. |
| 16:33.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 16:33.36 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: and in most cases the smog layer around california is worse for you, but since thats just "the air" they arent as fumed about it as they are against smoking |
| 16:33.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | the smog in cali made me literally sick |
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| 16:34.01 | art3mis | the part that bugs me is the claim that second hand smoke is somehow as bad as smoking directly |
| 16:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | for a bunch of hippies they sure do like their pollution |
| 16:34.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was huddled over a toilet for a few days and coughing the entire time thanks to a visit to san francisco |
| 16:34.35 | art3mis | and the discrimination agaisnt smoking is annoying, what with the bannings of where you're allowed to smoke |
| 16:34.36 | Beladona | as bad, probably not |
| 16:34.51 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's "smug", not "smog". |
| 16:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, bannings are fine... |
| 16:34.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, government bannings are not |
| 16:35.05 | art3mis | i'd LOVE for them to ban 90% of the perfumes on the market and the retards that dont understand a little goes a long way |
| 16:35.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think that should be up to the businesses |
| 16:35.12 | art3mis | oh yeah totally |
| 16:35.12 | Beladona | but then, people are making a choice to smoke. Second hand is still a choice, but not as easy a choice to make |
| 16:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 16:35.21 | art3mis | if a business owner said no smoking in here i'd be fine with that |
| 16:35.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | that reminds me of this time i saw a girl almost set her hair on fire with some alcohol based perfumish stuff |
| 16:35.51 | art3mis | Beladona: you're for getting that in high poluttion cities like nyc and la that i dont have a choice for exhaust emmissions either |
| 16:35.51 | Beladona | there is this chick that I work with that uses perfume as a room deorderizer |
| 16:35.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was cackling |
| 16:36.01 | art3mis | and thats a touch more global impacting than smoking |
| 16:36.01 | Beladona | its annoying |
| 16:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love when stupid people manage to injure themselves |
| 16:36.33 | art3mis | had they not made it almost criminal to smoke i prolly would have stopped years ago |
| 16:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't smoke |
| 16:36.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate smelling smoke |
| 16:36.54 | art3mis | but the simple fact that it annoys a large group of tree hugging rock worshippping bark munching druids makes me continue |
| 16:37.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | but pre smoking ban, if the smoke bothered me, i'd leave the business and mention that they should quarantine the smoking section better if they want those of us who are sensitive to it to return |
| 16:37.30 | art3mis | i dont smoke nearly as much at home as i do when im out |
| 16:37.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, i don't advocate government intervention |
| 16:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey i'm a druid :{ |
| 16:37.51 | Beladona | I like the fact that restaurants here are smoke free, but I can't say I would have lobbied to have it done before it happened |
| 16:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't lump us with those hippies |
| 16:38.07 | art3mis | heh |
| 16:38.15 | Codexius | whats the drop on the sinister squashling, anyone? |
| 16:38.23 | art3mis | did you get one yet? |
| 16:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know, absymal? |
| 16:38.28 | Kaydeethree | heh, I still ask for the non-smoking section on occasion, and it's been a few years now iirc |
| 16:38.29 | art3mis | if not im gonna guess "low" |
| 16:38.31 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even know if it still drops Codexius |
| 16:38.36 | Codexius | ive ran 50+ times |
| 16:38.39 | Beladona | I don't hate on smokers |
| 16:38.41 | Codexius | never dros |
| 16:38.41 | art3mis | i miss vegas |
| 16:38.42 | Codexius | drops |
| 16:38.44 | Beladona | its their decision |
| 16:38.48 | art3mis | just cuz i can smoke EVERYWHERE |
| 16:38.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see it on wowhead as linked to the horseman yet |
| 16:38.54 | Beladona | and its my decision to be near them while they do it |
| 16:38.55 | Beladona | so meh |
| 16:39.17 | art3mis | Beladona: you're forgetting that its not the american way to take responsibility for you own actions ;P |
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| 16:39.25 | Beladona | yeah I am weird |
| 16:39.27 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:39.35 | Lopeppeppy | I know the squashling dropped on Saturday for a group of my friends who ran it, but that was Saturday. |
| 16:39.41 | art3mis | if im hindered by someone else it's up to me to demand THEY stop doing what ever it is |
| 16:40.02 | Beladona | I don't leave someone's company or ask them to stop smoking, unless I don't really care to be near them in the first palce |
| 16:40.09 | art3mis | hehe and dont even get me started on those critical mass losers |
| 16:40.35 | art3mis | i want a buss to plow through them in thier "takeing back the streets bullshit" |
| 16:40.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't like how much influence some people want the government to have in our lives |
| 16:41.07 | Beladona | that goes back to what art3mis said |
| 16:41.16 | art3mis | if bikes followed the rules of the road i would support them, but since they blow lights never signal turn whereever ride on the sidewalk and through parks etc i have no empathy for thier plight |
| 16:41.17 | Beladona | people think everything is someone elses fault |
| 16:41.46 | Beladona | so "fix it for me" because "I can't be bothered to fix my own actions that caused it to happen to me in the first place" |
| 16:41.48 | art3mis | thats one of my fav bookdocks episodes |
| 16:41.57 | art3mis | the rk kelly peeing trial |
| 16:42.09 | art3mis | my fav is the martin luther king episode |
| 16:42.23 | Beladona | its like that age-old "games cause violent crimes" argument |
| 16:42.23 | art3mis | where he tells all the black people to go screw themselves and moves to vancouver |
| 16:42.35 | Thunder_Child | heh http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/racing-games/nissan-gt+r-multifunction-display-looks-like-a-playstation-game-313871.php |
| 16:42.40 | Beladona | is it the game, or is the kid who was pre-disposed to it in the first place? |
| 16:42.54 | Beladona | and where are the parents? |
| 16:42.56 | cog|work | art3mis: I've always wanted to make a bumper sticker "Share the road; share the rules" |
| 16:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's to be believed, here's roughly where i lie politically according to this questionnaire at http://www.politicalcompass.org |
| 16:43.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1204/pcgraphpngphpec438soc1qw2.png |
| 16:43.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and to compare, american politicians: http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2007.png |
| 16:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's to be believed that is |
| 16:43.31 | art3mis | cog|work: when i drive i follow the basic principle that the larger vehicle ALWAYS has the right of way ;P |
| 16:43.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | of course it's not perfectly accurate :X |
| 16:44.17 | art3mis | cog "Lookout Open Door ahead" would be good too ;P |
| 16:44.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i follow the principle that "everyone is seconds away from slamming into me so act accordingly" |
| 16:44.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | so far it works pretty well |
| 16:44.45 | art3mis | cog|work: or "See the blinkie lights? They arent for show." |
| 16:44.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | even in my heavy tankframe bronco |
| 16:44.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still drive that thing like it's made of glass |
| 16:45.16 | cog|work | Nothing pisses me off more on the road than people waiving their right of way |
| 16:45.16 | art3mis | i used to ahve a jeep wagoneer limited 1979 ;P |
| 16:45.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a really passive driver, cog|work |
| 16:45.31 | art3mis | then i got an izuzu trooper |
| 16:45.37 | art3mis | damn tough vechiles |
| 16:45.42 | art3mis | vehicles |
| 16:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tend to blend with traffic and i'm incredibly careful |
| 16:45.47 | cog|work | I suppose it's because I saw someone brutally killed in a hit and run because of the uncertainty |
| 16:46.05 | cog|work | Right of way rules are there to keep everyone predictable |
| 16:46.13 | art3mis | cog|work: driving in manhatten and brooklyn is like no otehr experience driving ive ever had |
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| 16:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather be in the wrong than in several pieces bleeding all over the road |
| 16:46.20 | cog|work | unless you're in immediate danger to yourself or others you should never waive your right of way |
| 16:46.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i rarely have an issue with it because i'm SO careful :p |
| 16:46.52 | cog|work | :) |
| 16:46.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | the problem is |
| 16:46.58 | art3mis | brooklyn is the most laid back though, it follows the rule that if there is room for a car then its obviously a roadway, and no-one gets pissed if you cut them off cuz in 2 blocks they're gonna do the same to you |
| 16:47.04 | Thrae | art3mis: Do you get to see the cameras taping Law & Order while driving on the streets of New York? |
| 16:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many people take right of way when they don't have it |
| 16:47.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is even worse than letting someone else take it |
| 16:47.19 | art3mis | thrae: most of that is shot elsewhere |
| 16:47.20 | Thrae | art3mis: Gimmie an autograph of Detective Stabler from SVU. |
| 16:47.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | because at least you know what they're going to do then |
| 16:47.34 | Thrae | Homocide is shot mostly in Maryland. |
| 16:47.38 | Thrae | The show, too! |
| 16:47.42 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 16:47.43 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 16:48.09 | art3mis | for most of the new york set shows it's far too difficult to close off sections of new york for it |
| 16:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't handle cities |
| 16:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i can barely handle atlanta |
| 16:48.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm too nervous |
| 16:48.29 | art3mis | i love it here |
| 16:48.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | the entire time we're on the street, walking or riding |
| 16:48.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so paranoid and nervous |
| 16:48.45 | art3mis | this is the oly place in the entire us that i'd live |
| 16:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm afraid we're going to get murdered by bums when we're on foot |
| 16:49.10 | art3mis | if i had to leave here for any reason i'd just up and move back to vancouver |
| 16:49.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and slammed into at mach 5 by some asshole when we're driving |
| 16:49.21 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2 .... |
| 16:49.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 16:49.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm paranoid in cities, i can't help it |
| 16:49.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're out of my element |
| 16:50.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | too much stuff going on at once |
| 16:50.13 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, you will die out soon then |
| 16:50.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of us will soon enough |
| 16:50.28 | Thunder_Child | surviveablity of the most adaptable |
| 16:50.35 | Thunder_Child | and you cant seem to |
| 16:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i adapt i'm just paranoid as fuck |
| 16:50.44 | Thunder_Child | is not adapting |
| 16:50.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i act like around every corner there's a bum with a knife |
| 16:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and act accordingly |
| 16:51.02 | art3mis | thats not adaptive |
| 16:51.08 | art3mis | thats umm |
| 16:51.11 | art3mis | retarded ;) |
| 16:51.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't hurt anything |
| 16:51.22 | Thunder_Child | heh art3mis, my thoughts exactly |
| 16:51.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather be too paranoid than not paranoid enough |
| 16:51.30 | Thunder_Child | it hurts you |
| 16:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | the bums in atlanta are scary man ;[ |
| 16:51.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of them showed me his bullet holes and started singing |
| 16:51.54 | Thunder_Child | i live in LA, i think i got you beat |
| 16:51.59 | Kaydeethree | which is why I'm glad I'm down at Georgia Southern than at GaTech |
| 16:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was scared he was gonna filet me |
| 16:52.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh, Kaydeethree, one of my friends goes to georgia southern |
| 16:52.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least |
| 16:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 16:52.27 | art3mis | im not afraid at all in nyc |
| 16:52.32 | art3mis | sadly it's nothing like the movies |
| 16:52.38 | Beladona | is it bad if you just ran that political compass test, and the page is blank? |
| 16:52.42 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:52.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been to LA and Frisco and San Diego |
| 16:52.52 | art3mis | havent been mugged, i live in an entirely black neighborhood and get along with everyone |
| 16:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and Chicago, and Atlanta |
| 16:53.00 | Thunder_Child | ya, only 30% of the bums are undercover agents...not 100% |
| 16:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not about race, it's about crazy bums :[ |
| 16:53.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno if atlanta has a particular breed of them or something |
| 16:53.29 | art3mis | ive got out at 3am in winter in shorts to get pop and the drug dealers that live near the store give me respect knuckles |
| 16:53.35 | cog|work | Beladona: the site's not working for me so... |
| 16:53.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they're way too confrontational and i'm very nonconfrontational |
| 16:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 16:53.46 | Beladona | ok, I thought maybe I landed outside the chart |
| 16:53.48 | cog|work | there it is... |
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| 16:53.49 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 16:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i try to avoid conflict |
| 16:53.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless it's unavoidable |
| 16:54.12 | cog|work | I hate that test |
| 16:54.17 | cog|work | the first question is extremely loaded |
| 16:54.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's hard to when you've got a bum singing and showing you his bullet and knife wounds |
| 16:54.35 | Beladona | I closed mine |
| 16:54.39 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2...one event |
| 16:54.40 | Beladona | and I am not taking it again |
| 16:54.44 | Beladona | too lazy |
| 16:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, there's a ton of confrontational ones, but i'm afraid when they bust out their stories of getting shot and stuff >:[ |
| 16:55.26 | cog|work | "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." <----- I pick option C... The global economy is the result of human action, not the dictator of human action |
| 16:56.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah too many of the questions are phrased in bad ways, cog|work |
| 16:56.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | too many absolutes |
| 16:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | where you're like |
| 16:56.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really agree or disagree here, i don't even see the question from that perspective making any sense" |
| 16:56.42 | cog|work | false premises 4tl |
| 16:56.43 | Codayus | cog|work: That one's quite loaded, although I think everyone can work out what they're "supposed" to answer based on their political leanings. |
| 16:56.56 | Beladona | I think that is to get you to fit into the graph. There isn't a spot on the graph for Independant |
| 16:57.04 | Beladona | although maybe there should be |
| 16:57.05 | cog|work | Codayus: not at all... that assumes politics goes left to right |
| 16:57.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | beladona, the labels are just the extremes in that direction |
| 16:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing to do with parties at all |
| 16:57.27 | cog|work | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html |
| 16:57.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | they explain how they come up with the results and stuff |
| 16:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 16:57.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like the phrasing |
| 16:58.07 | Codayus | cog|work: Hm? |
| 16:58.24 | cog|work | Codayus: " I think everyone can work out what they're "supposed" to answer based on their political leanings." |
| 16:58.40 | cog|work | plotical leanings don't just go left, right, and undefined |
| 16:58.46 | Codayus | cog|work: Right; you should answer "no". That doesn't fit the question, but that's what the designed WANTED you to say. |
| 16:58.47 | art3mis | All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind. <-- fav question so far |
| 16:58.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=7&e=10 |
| 16:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | kekeke, cog|work |
| 16:59.10 | cog|work | I am strongly away from ANY of the answers they give, not "somewhere in the middle" |
| 16:59.34 | Codayus | cog|work: Well, it was a yes/no question, not A/B. :-) But I know what you mean. |
| 17:00.10 | cog|work | Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. |
| 17:00.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did agree to all the questions on that quiz except for the military one(D) and the national id card one(M) |
| 17:00.30 | cog|work | how about not /controlling/ the economy? |
| 17:00.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty libertarian :p |
| 17:00.40 | Codayus | My thought process was "well, both are wrong, but "no" represents the authors distorted idea of what I actually THINK, so..." |
| 17:01.39 | Codayus | Take a few political quizzes, and you get used to having to translate the questions out of NewSpeak. "Well, they say |
| 17:02.03 | Codayus | "Well they say 'human rights', but based on question 3, they must think that Random Thing X is a human right, so...." |
| 17:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | though i'm probably going to get laughed out of the room i'm trying to recruit more followers to the ron paul army amongst my acquaintences |
| 17:02.44 | cog|work | Mr_Rabies2: i'm already with ya |
| 17:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i've helped recruit about 20 personally so far, and while i don't agree with him 100%, he's the closest thing to what i need :p |
| 17:03.03 | cog|work | I registered republican just so i could vote for him in the primaries |
| 17:03.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | now just to get some of those people to vote in the primaries |
| 17:03.12 | cncfanatics | ron paum army === ??? |
| 17:03.15 | cog|work | and i'll go back to Libertarian once it's over |
| 17:03.48 | Codayus | Bleh, nutjob, IMHO. And I'm very libertarian. Then again, after the last official Libertarian candidate... oO |
| 17:03.58 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart cncfanatics |
| 17:03.59 | purl | gives cncfanatics a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 17:04.04 | Shirik|Ecole | this is not php! |
| 17:04.05 | cncfanatics | OMG NOT WINDOWS |
| 17:04.16 | Shirik|Ecole | there is no === operator |
| 17:04.25 | art3mis | Economic Left/Right: 1.00 |
| 17:04.25 | art3mis | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36 |
| 17:04.35 | art3mis | thats my political compass |
| 17:04.41 | cncfanatics | meh, american politic bores me |
| 17:04.46 | cncfanatics | but well, european politic does as well, so :p |
| 17:05.06 | Thrae | === operator -- when the absolute isn't absolute enough |
| 17:05.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ron paul's pretty much the only different candidate that isn't completely off the deep end |
| 17:05.13 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 17:05.17 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart Thrae |
| 17:05.17 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Thrae in half |
| 17:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the others are more or less the same person |
| 17:05.26 | Thrae | 2 + 2 === 5 |
| 17:05.33 | Shirik|Ecole | -_- |
| 17:05.35 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: Your last qualifier is arguable. :-D I grant you, he's different though. |
| 17:05.38 | art3mis | john mccain! |
| 17:05.39 | cncfanatics | Thrae + Politics === meh |
| 17:05.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | with slightly varying degrees, downplaying their competitors whom they're so close |
| 17:05.47 | art3mis | with obama for vice ;P |
| 17:05.57 | Shirik|Ecole | 1 == "1" is true, but 1 === "1" is not :P |
| 17:06.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that's the difference |
| 17:06.01 | art3mis | jsut cuz i love mccain for being a crotchety old man |
| 17:06.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | not a big fan of obama's policies |
| 17:06.01 | Shirik|Ecole | gah |
| 17:06.07 | Thrae | cncfanatics: I didn't say anything political! |
| 17:06.15 | cncfanatics | I said you did, thats enough |
| 17:06.16 | Codayus | Wait, he has polices? |
| 17:06.18 | Codayus | :-) |
| 17:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | ron paul's a crotchety old man too art3mis |
| 17:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and he's awesome |
| 17:06.35 | art3mis | havent seen much of him |
| 17:06.41 | cog|work | art3mis: exactly the problem |
| 17:06.45 | Codayus | I thought he just had a vision about hope for a better dream of hopeful visions? |
| 17:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/ |
| 17:06.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 17:06.55 | cog|work | big media pretty much ignores him |
| 17:06.56 | art3mis | cog|work: the not seeing much or that he's crotchety? |
| 17:06.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | he gets almost no publicity for some reason |
| 17:07.02 | cog|work | the not seeing much |
| 17:07.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | read that^ art3mis |
| 17:07.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a fairly easy to digest pack of his speeches since forever |
| 17:07.20 | art3mis | crotchety old men are my fave for companies and politics |
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| 17:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's really not all that crotchety, but he is kind of old |
| 17:07.52 | art3mis | mostly because i can totally relate and will end up like them on my porch with some lemonade a gun and a dog yelling at kids to get off my lawn |
| 17:07.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus he's seen more vaginas than all of aerosmith combined |
| 17:08.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a plus |
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| 17:08.32 | Thrae | Vote Hillary Clinton -- She has totally seen NO vaginas. |
| 17:08.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | (he was an ob/gyn for several years) |
| 17:08.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | hillary's never looked herself in the mirror? |
| 17:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | she's possibly the world's largest sandy vagina |
| 17:09.25 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: She's one of those censoring nuts. Whenever she tries to look, it's always blurry. |
| 17:09.26 | art3mis | oh ho! |
| 17:09.35 | art3mis | he's from texas |
| 17:09.51 | art3mis | i remember stuff about him now |
| 17:09.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | indeed |
| 17:10.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | his speeches are awesome |
| 17:10.21 | Thrae | Hillary Clinton has similiar points of view to Jack Tompson, and has agreed with him on several occasions. |
| 17:10.24 | art3mis | isnt he the guy that did something regarding the death penalty? |
| 17:10.33 | art3mis | in the last little bit |
| 17:11.43 | art3mis | i cant vote for him though |
| 17:11.50 | art3mis | <aside from not being american> |
| 17:11.53 | art3mis | he's pro life |
| 17:12.18 | Thrae | Who's pro life? |
| 17:12.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | he delievered thousands of babies, i can't blame him |
| 17:12.37 | art3mis | ron paul |
| 17:12.40 | cog|work | art3mis: but he's not the type to impose his pro-life views on the public |
| 17:12.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure he's pro life in all forms though |
| 17:12.50 | cog|work | at best, he may push to make it up to the states |
| 17:12.58 | Thrae | Ron Paul is a Libertarian and pro life? I thought all Libertarians eat babies. |
| 17:12.59 | art3mis | even thats bad |
| 17:13.01 | cog|work | (or worst) |
| 17:13.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | against capital punishment, abortion, etc |
| 17:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see how you could be pro abortion and against capital punishment |
| 17:13.25 | art3mis | in my opinion govt has no jusidicition on the body |
| 17:13.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm personally pro both :p |
| 17:13.36 | Thrae | Don't tell me I've been eating babies all by myself. |
| 17:13.37 | art3mis | heh me too |
| 17:13.46 | art3mis | if omeone wants to coathanger, its up to them |
| 17:13.48 | art3mis | someone |
| 17:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't hold a minor issue like that against him |
| 17:14.04 | art3mis | but im a big supporter of capital punishment |
| 17:14.08 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Depends on if you try to make decisions based on moral, ethical, or logical conclusions. |
| 17:14.36 | art3mis | the 3 strike law should be on the 3rd you're put to death |
| 17:14.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could see the other way making sense, but i guess that all depends on your personal definition of human life which is totally not worth getting into now |
| 17:14.51 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, hear hear |
| 17:14.52 | art3mis | more than two unjustified violent crimes... death |
| 17:15.10 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Logically, abortion is about the same as rubbing your hands with soap -- you're killing something in the infancy of its lifestages, that's not human. |
| 17:15.19 | art3mis | in prison on more than 5 less than 2 year sentences.. put to death |
| 17:15.21 | cog|work | Thrae: my moral and ethical conclusions are derived from logic |
| 17:15.27 | cog|work | Objectivism 4tw! |
| 17:15.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd consider a zygote more human than a violent criminal, thrae, personally |
| 17:15.55 | Thrae | cog|work: More like they're shaped by logic, but hear hear the same. |
| 17:16.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's all about your personal belief on the human life issue |
| 17:16.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is why i'm personally against abortion but pro choice at the same time |
| 17:16.29 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's a moral argument, not logical ;) A human is just another animal in science. |
| 17:16.31 | art3mis | of course i also think that parents should be able to beat thier children |
| 17:16.45 | art3mis | the us has gone to shit because that right was removed |
| 17:17.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't think in pure logic or you devalue a lot of your humanity, thrae |
| 17:17.03 | cog|work | and Law (as in the government) should NEVER deal moral judgements imo... that's what public opinion and social pressures are for |
| 17:17.30 | cog|work | crimes without victims are extremely 4tl |
| 17:17.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, most parents don't even talk to their kids, much less beat them |
| 17:17.59 | Thrae | cog|work: Which is why I think the Legislative branch is a stupid idea. I want it eliminated in favour of a ruling Judicial branch. |
| 17:18.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | parents today are shitty because their parents were shitty |
| 17:18.23 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Or their parent's genes were shitty, or both! |
| 17:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they were too busy doing more important stuff |
| 17:18.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not about genes |
| 17:18.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's purely culture |
| 17:19.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | genes pay hardly any role in good parenting unless they're mentally handicapped or similar, it's all about how they're raised |
| 17:19.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | memes, etc |
| 17:19.54 | cog|work | "No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding." |
| 17:20.22 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: There's tons of scientific evidence that there are genes which enhance behavioral characteristics. While this doesn't mean someone with the homocidal gene will always turn out to be a mass murder, it makes them more inclined to be one, even if at a 0.001% point. |
| 17:20.23 | cog|work | I think the degree of public funding should be inversely proportional to the independence of its content... |
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| 17:21.15 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I think the scientific and psychological world are coming together finally and saying it's a combination of nature and nurture -- there are important factors on both ends for a lot of situations. |
| 17:22.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's like saying pit bulls are more inclined to be human aggressive than other breeds |
| 17:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | (which some people say) |
| 17:22.38 | art3mis | cog|work: thats a loaded question |
| 17:22.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not true at all though, it's much more about memes than genes |
| 17:22.48 | cog|work | art3mis: exactly my point |
| 17:22.59 | art3mis | cog|work: it can either imply that it must be wholly govt funded OR that it's not govt funded at all |
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| 17:23.27 | art3mis | like PBS for example |
| 17:23.36 | art3mis | technically its publicly funded |
| 17:23.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, wolves and chihuahuas are something like 99.98% similar on the genetic level, but vastly vastly different in behavior |
| 17:24.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean technically they're the same species |
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| 17:26.12 | cog|work | of course, statements like that skirt around the fact that it's exactly that .02% that causes all the differences... |
| 17:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not known what difference that .02% makes |
| 17:27.04 | cog|work | One extra repetition of 3 nucleotides can completely change the shape of a dog's skull |
| 17:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's much more about learned behavior (memes) than instinct (genes) |
| 17:27.44 | cog|work | Mr_Rabies2: they actually did a behavior study recently between wolves and dogs |
| 17:27.51 | cog|work | and found that there were genetic differences |
| 17:28.19 | cog|work | they raised the wolves from pups born to previously "tamed" parents |
| 17:28.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they raise hundreds of packs of wolves and dogs in the same environment? |
| 17:28.35 | cog|work | and they still behaved substantially differently than the dogs |
| 17:29.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise it's a badly flawed study (like most) and could be entirely anectdotal |
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| 17:30.49 | cog|work | depends on how extensive and consistent the differences are |
| 17:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyways, we don't know enough about genetics to be sure of what all they make a difference of |
| 17:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yet at least |
| 17:31.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'd say with how common shitty parents are it's more about cultural failures than genetic ones |
| 17:32.41 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Are shitty parents who had shitty parents who had shitty parents who had severly mentally disturbed parents part of a cultural loop or a pysio-psychological one? |
| 17:32.52 | cog|work | wow... that politicalcompass is horribly flawed |
| 17:33.04 | cog|work | it placed me in the authoritarian right :| |
| 17:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, to be fair, most american politicians are |
| 17:33.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | only slight variance unless they're considered "nutjobs" |
| 17:34.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thrae, we won't know for some time |
| 17:34.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | or possibly never if the shitty parents trend continues and we have a cultural apocalypse |
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| 17:45.40 | FSdragon | hail everyone! |
| 17:46.27 | cog|work | fo |
| 17:46.31 | cog|work | you* |
| 17:46.34 | cog|work | yo* |
| 17:46.54 | |Jelly| | I think he meant to say FU |
| 17:47.04 | pastamancer | fofofo |
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| 17:47.32 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, FAIL! |
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| 17:53.00 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 17:56.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | aaaaaaaaugh |
| 17:56.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | nasatv |
| 17:56.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | is scary sometimes |
| 17:56.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like 2001 |
| 17:56.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | so much silence |
| 17:56.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | then one line of dialog scares the shit out of you |
| 17:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | like an hour of silence then someone talks |
| 18:04.52 | FSdragon | BOO! |
| 18:04.58 | Thunder_Child | anyone else get a blank page at http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/blackjack-ii-hands_on/blackjack-ii-hands+on-verdict-speedy-slim-and-sexy-314064.php ? |
| 18:05.15 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: timeout |
| 18:05.23 | Thunder_Child | ok, so it's not me, thanks |
| 18:05.32 | cog|work | reloaded to blank page |
| 18:07.53 | Thrae | http://www.wowarmory.com/images/arena-section.jpg <-- why isn't she wearing a thong? Silly female model. In the next patch, females shall now all get a "Birthday Suit" set of armour dropped by Illidan, which grants 50% additional stats over their previous tiers. |
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| 18:10.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 18:10.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was a texture pack back in the day that changed a decent amount of the armor to transluscent or nonexistant |
| 18:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a lot of work for some 3dporn |
| 18:11.13 | Lunessa | Thrae: It also provides an On Use ability: Befuddle Humanoid. |
| 18:11.58 | Thrae | Lunessa: You're thinking of "Male Humanoid" vs "Female Humanoid" ;) |
| 18:12.27 | cog|work | Thrae: depends on your race... I mean, Elves... 'nuff said |
| 18:12.28 | Lunessa | Thrae: No, not really. I'm well aware of the demographics of WoW players... |
| 18:12.32 | Thrae | *raises a picket sign* Incubus for Equality! |
| 18:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | incubi aren't quite the male equivalent to succubi |
| 18:13.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're more like bisexual rapedemons, a bit less subtle than succubi |
| 18:13.53 | Thrae | Yeah, an incubus can form either male or female shape. |
| 18:14.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | succubi mostly do their job via seduction while incubi are a bit more direct |
| 18:14.42 | Lunessa | Depends on who's myths your reading. |
| 18:15.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | your mom's |
| 18:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH SNAP |
| 18:15.37 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: However, the Succubus dominates through seduction, while the Incubus simply dominates. This is the same for basic male/female relationships. |
| 18:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired :[ |
| 18:15.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i get tired i go through stages |
| 18:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | of irritability, and then finally extreme goofiness |
| 18:16.06 | Lunessa | My mom is actually a pretty ok writer, but her myths usually tend to murder mysteries. :P |
| 18:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | a friend of mine used to write yaoi fanfiction |
| 18:17.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason i could never look at her the same again |
| 18:18.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno why, really, i mean, i'm not into yaoi but at least she's female |
| 18:18.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | still bizarre |
| 18:18.26 | Kaydeethree | in completely unrelated news, it appears that the shuttle launch was clean |
| 18:18.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so far |
| 18:18.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | nasatv keeps scaring me |
| 18:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's total silence then someone starts talking and makes me jump |
| 18:19.38 | Kaydeethree | part of me wishes I was up at my parents' place, they've got the dish and a nasatv feed is provided. I'm having to use the realvideo feed |
| 18:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have directv |
| 18:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats the only tv available here beyond air |
| 18:20.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
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| 18:21.23 | Lunessa | Which explains why the traffic was so light today (I live next to JSC.) |
| 18:21.28 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/live_tv.html is easy |
| 18:25.13 | Thunder_Child | you know, the would be nicer with an HD broadcast, looking directly at the eart |
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| 18:30.19 | Thunder_Child | wow, teh wildfires can be seen from space |
| 18:32.02 | pastamancer | yet another reason to never move to southern CA |
| 18:32.08 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 18:32.20 | Thunder_Child | it's not so bad, i just hate the weather |
| 18:32.37 | pastamancer | party cloudy with a chance of HELLFIRE |
| 18:32.53 | cog|work | pastamancer: i'll take quinquagenary fires over annual hurricaines or tornados any day. |
| 18:33.08 | Thunder_Child | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/scalifornia_amo_2007295_lrg.jpg is not hellfire |
| 18:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 18:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet that looks cool to the guys in the orbiter |
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| 18:33.48 | cog|work | Mr_Rabies2: it was on nasatv a couple minutes ago |
| 18:33.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | was it |
| 18:33.54 | cog|work | when Thunder_Child mentioned them |
| 18:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just listening |
| 18:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | for signs of failure of some sort |
| 18:34.31 | Thunder_Child | your failure of some sort |
| 18:35.06 | pastamancer | cog|work: I live in the north-east... all we get is snow |
| 18:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired |
| 18:35.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone stay awake for 7 more hours for me so i can wake up at a human time |
| 18:36.19 | pastamancer | it looks worse on the google map |
| 18:36.52 | pastamancer | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=114250687465160386813.00043d08ac31fe3357571&ie=UTF8&ll=32.962586,-116.776428&spn=1.239782,1.862183&z=9&om=1 |
| 18:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | google maps typically takes like 6 months to update |
| 18:37.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 18:37.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh |
| 18:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was waiting on firefox to stop choking, heh |
| 18:37.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see |
| 18:38.15 | pastamancer | yeah, it's a mashup-type-thing |
| 18:42.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | is irvine still okay? |
| 18:42.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can see it now |
| 18:42.46 | cog|work | they're pretty much right in between the main fire areas |
| 18:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | "the servers are down for extended maintenance due to the building they're housed in currently burning to the ground" |
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| 18:44.00 | pastamancer | heh |
| 18:44.41 | cog|work | No one say diaf to anyone at blizzard for at least two months plx |
| 18:45.30 | snurre | oh i will :p |
| 18:45.45 | Malgayne | Blizz diaf plz kthx |
| 18:46.11 | cog|work | you guys really want to go through the withdrawal? ;) |
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| 18:46.36 | snurre | i say diaf to people at blizzard every day.. and i dont play wow anymore |
| 18:46.38 | snurre | so im fine :p |
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| 19:09.32 | Saint-N | ~weather 10001 |
| 19:09.57 | cog|work | ~weather KSTN |
| 19:10.49 | Saint-N | ~weather KNYC |
| 19:10.50 | cog|work | s/N/S/ |
| 19:11.58 | Saint-N | ~weather CYVR |
| 19:12.15 | Saint-N | well that sucks |
| 19:12.23 | Saint-N | its hotter here than there |
| 19:13.10 | Thunder_Child | damit....i dont want to go to class... |
| 19:13.17 | |Jelly| | If you know the name of a frame, is there a script you can use to place it in the center of your screen? |
| 19:13.47 | kergoth | ~weather KPHX |
| 19:13.56 | nevcairiel | _G[name]:ClearAllPoints(); _G[name]:SetPoint("CENTER"); ? |
| 19:14.00 | Thunder_Child | i think so |Jelly| |
| 19:14.29 | cog|work | nevcairiel: no |
| 19:14.39 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2512086884&sid=1 <-- trying to help that guy, for the record |
| 19:14.43 | cog|work | need to reparent first ;) |
| 19:14.43 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 19:14.56 | cog|work | or set the point relative to UIParent |
| 19:15.08 | nevcairiel | oh, meh |
| 19:15.23 | nevcairiel | _G[name]:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") |
| 19:15.25 | nevcairiel | go nuts :P |
| 19:15.46 | Thunder_Child | ~nuts |
| 19:15.47 | purl | "Scientists say 1 out of every 4 people is crazy, check 3 friends, if they are ok, you're it." |
| 19:16.14 | |Jelly| | ok so /script _G[name]:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") --? |
| 19:16.20 | Thunder_Child | ~nuts |Jelly| |
| 19:16.21 | kergoth | ~rinsult |
| 19:16.34 | nevcairiel | you might need to ClearAllPoints first |
| 19:16.38 | Thunder_Child | ~crazy |
| 19:16.39 | purl | you so cuhraaazy, thunder_child |
| 19:16.48 | Thunder_Child | ~crazy cog|work |
| 19:16.49 | purl | ACTION drives cog|work insane by saying the exact same thing over and over |
| 19:17.10 | cog|work | That wouldn't drive me insane |
| 19:17.28 | cog|work | |Jelly| generously helping someone though |
| 19:17.36 | Thunder_Child | heh |
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| 19:18.35 | cog|work | [12:19] <nevcairiel>you might need to ClearAllPoints first |
| 19:18.57 | |Jelly| | You people are killing me. |
| 19:19.01 | |Jelly| | TO THE FACE |
| 19:19.10 | cog|work | Just use the name itself not _G[name] |
| 19:19.17 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2512086884&sid=1 <-- since I wont be able to answer like...other questions he might ask. |
| 19:19.19 | nevcairiel | that might work too |
| 19:19.38 | cog|work | /run SoAndSoFrame:ClearAllPoints(); SoAndSoFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") |
| 19:20.15 | |Jelly| | This is why I don't help people. Too much work involved. lol |
| 19:20.38 | nevcairiel | i help people when i know the answers already |
| 19:20.39 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:21.00 | |Jelly| | I don't learn by doing that though. |
| 19:21.47 | |Jelly| | Thanks though. :) |
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| 19:27.50 | cog|work | hihi caircair |
| 19:28.26 | JoshBorke | wb cair |
| 19:29.58 | Cairenn | hey |
| 19:30.13 | zenzelezz | I finally discovered the root of my personality disorders... I don't fear death, I fear life |
| 19:30.54 | JoshBorke | go back to sleep? |
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| 19:32.50 | zenzelezz | I forgot everything is taken as a joke in here |
| 19:33.22 | |Jelly| | Well. You're still alive so either you've learned to manage your fears or it was a joke. :P |
| 19:33.40 | zenzelezz | courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear |
| 19:34.10 | |Jelly| | So what you're saying is I'm glad I said "manage" as opposed to be fearless? |
| 19:34.41 | zenzelezz | nope, I just use any opportunity to use that quote |
| 19:34.51 | zenzelezz | but your assumptions were both wrong |
| 19:35.00 | cog|work | you're not alive? |
| 19:35.20 | Cide | I doubt I'd be alive without any senses |
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| 19:37.45 | zenzelezz | I've gone by this nick for about eight years; all the while just going on without direction or goals, staying solitary rather than with friends... but this was the wrong channel to whine in :-o |
| 19:38.42 | |Jelly| | Not really the wrong channel to whine in. Just make it clear that you're whining as opposed to just saying something random. |
| 19:38.57 | zenzelezz | I'm always whining, just not always as clearly |
| 19:39.04 | cog|work | zenzelezz: if it makes you feel any better, the last time my wife and I went out with people socially who weren't family members was the UI dinner after blizzcon... |
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| 19:43.55 | Lunessa | cog|work - What's this "going out" of which you speak? Is it a 5- or 10-man raid? Do i need a flask? |
| 19:49.46 | Cide | haha wow, I just did the biggest hack ever |
| 19:49.59 | |Jelly| | The gibson? |
| 19:50.02 | Kaso | haha |
| 19:50.21 | Cide | I'm relying on the fact that the number of days left for a mail isn't updated unless you move away from the mailbox and reopen it |
| 19:50.28 | Cide | it's a floating point number |
| 19:50.37 | Cide | so I'm using it as a "unique mail id" :/ |
| 19:50.58 | Cide | for a single "mailbox session", that is |
| 19:51.08 | cog|work | nice |
| 19:51.10 | Kaso | thats pretty cool |
| 19:51.35 | Cide | it's going to blow up if that ever changes, though |
| 20:00.54 | Kalroth | what if you got mails with the same name and time? |
| 20:01.09 | Kalroth | I got that problem with BulkMail, it marks all identical mails |
| 20:01.18 | Cide | 27.007383346558 |
| 20:01.38 | Cide | >>> math.fmod(27.007383346558*(3600*24),1) |
| 20:01.49 | Cide | did I break myself? |
| 20:01.52 | Cide | can someone try that |
| 20:02.26 | Cide | oh |
| 20:02.31 | Cide | 0.92114261118695 |
| 20:02.53 | Cide | so about a precision in seconds |
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| 20:03.29 | Cide | if you get two mails in 1 second, that happen to share the same float, I guess it'll screw up |
| 20:03.41 | Cide | until that happens, though, I'm going to assume it won't |
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| 20:08.12 | |Jelly| | It's the truth. : / |
| 20:08.36 | |Jelly| | Doesn't really bother me because for all intents and purposes, the morons aren't capable of tracking me down. :P |
| 20:08.50 | cog|work | heh |
| 20:08.52 | cog|work | yeah... |
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| 20:09.18 | cog|work | same reason I'm usually happy to respond to out-of-the-blue e-mails... that takes some digging :P |
| 20:09.36 | TecnoBrat | about your mods? |
| 20:09.47 | cog|work | or oaddon questions in general |
| 20:09.51 | cog|work | s/oa/a/ |
| 20:10.34 | |Jelly| | Hey, I asked and you gave me your email address! Wasn't out of the blue imo! :P |
| 20:11.05 | cog|work | no it wasn't ... which makes it not applicable to the conversation :P |
| 20:11.11 | |Jelly| | Ahh, ok. |
| 20:11.18 | cog|work | someone else |
| 20:11.19 | Cairenn | TecnoBrat: yes, yes you do |
| 20:11.22 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 20:11.42 | TecnoBrat | I've idled here for like 2 months |
| 20:11.45 | TecnoBrat | and not said anything |
| 20:11.53 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 20:12.04 | TecnoBrat | well I've idled in here total a lot longer than that, but thats my current stretch :P |
| 20:12.38 | Lunessa | I don't get tech support questions from anyone but friends and guild members. |
| 20:12.54 | Lunessa | Apparently, I'm not as approachable as Cog or jellu |
| 20:12.58 | Lunessa | *jelly |
| 20:13.03 | cog|work | Who's Lunessa? |
| 20:13.04 | TecnoBrat | I get addon questions constantly from guild members |
| 20:13.11 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:13.15 | TecnoBrat | I'm not actually an author |
| 20:13.18 | Lunessa | .me snickers. |
| 20:13.18 | |Jelly| | Me? Approchable? |
| 20:13.24 | TecnoBrat | but I'm the "guru of mods" aparantly. |
| 20:13.54 | cog|work | i'm the honorary admin of my old guild's addon & macros forum even though i'm not in the guild any more |
| 20:14.02 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 20:14.26 | |Jelly| | We're talking about people making characters on your server just to ask you questions. It's kind of weird the first time it happens. After that it's just meh. |
| 20:14.40 | TecnoBrat | |Jelly|, yea .. lol |
| 20:15.02 | cog|work | I actually had someone from another realm ask me a macro question during AB |
| 20:15.41 | TecnoBrat | I had the same thing happen ... except not about a mod .. well we created this evil page on our guildsite that redirects to a rickroll site, which displays a javascript popup for every line in the song, so you can't close it |
| 20:15.46 | TecnoBrat | I linked it on my guild site |
| 20:15.50 | Lunessa | Heh, I was playing my mage once, and I got this random tell asking me if I was the same person as a message board moderator. Turns out I was.. but it struck me as odd. Small world. |
| 20:15.58 | cog|work | Over my month-long PvP binge, though, i only had 2 or 3 people recognize me (probably for the better) |
| 20:16.00 | TecnoBrat | got all of my guild with it .. then someone else linked it on the wow forums |
| 20:16.08 | Malgayne | I got that once |
| 20:16.17 | TecnoBrat | "Progeny has rickrolled 49285 people." |
| 20:16.19 | Malgayne | Someone actually joined my guild saying "Are you the Malgayne from Wowhead?" |
| 20:16.29 | TecnoBrat | yea, so I got random people making level 1s and swearing at me |
| 20:16.42 | Malgayne | hahaha |
| 20:16.46 | TecnoBrat | I got emails too |
| 20:17.03 | Lunessa | I got rickrolled with that thing. I hate you now. |
| 20:17.09 | TecnoBrat | did you? |
| 20:17.14 | TecnoBrat | from progenywow.com? :P |
| 20:17.26 | TecnoBrat | about zulaman loot? :P |
| 20:17.27 | Lunessa | Someone linked it from my guild's forum. |
| 20:17.36 | TecnoBrat | haha, yea .. sorry bout that :P |
| 20:17.43 | Lunessa | They're no longer a guild member. |
| 20:17.48 | TecnoBrat | I'm not really, but thats okay |
| 20:17.53 | Lunessa | I'm a mean guild leader. |
| 20:18.08 | TecnoBrat | Yea, I'm the GM of my guild, so no one is kicking me :P |
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| 20:18.28 | TecnoBrat | cog|work, do you actually use your same nick? |
| 20:18.40 | cog|work | i post on my main, if that's what you mean :) |
| 20:19.25 | TecnoBrat | ahh so your main is the same char name as the nick you use around ... yea, that'd do it |
| 20:19.32 | TecnoBrat | my char name is not Tecnobrat :P |
| 20:19.43 | Lunessa | I'd change nicks for posting/irc but someone is using my 'main's' name as a nick on IRC already. |
| 20:20.37 | TecnoBrat | I've had the nickname tecnobrat for years .. |
| 20:20.45 | cog|work | I actually used to go by a completely different handle... Then i realized it was a bad idea to have my account name and character name the same |
| 20:20.56 | Cairenn | um, yeah |
| 20:21.07 | cog|work | so when I got attached to my gnome warrior, i decided cogwheel would be my new identity |
| 20:21.29 | TecnoBrat | haha |
| 20:21.35 | TecnoBrat | I like it :P |
| 20:22.03 | Lunessa | I try to post on realm and other forums using the name people can find me by in-game - unless I have an established identity that should be maintained. So, since Cog named me in the faq, I keep using Lunessa. |
| 20:22.13 | cog|work | When I realized I could make a pun out of it for my rogue, i knew it was the nick for me |
| 20:22.18 | cog|work | Cognitowheel... |
| 20:22.26 | Lunessa | oy... |
| 20:22.34 | Lunessa | ~whaleslap cog|work |
| 20:22.34 | purl | ACTION beats cog|work upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:22.47 | cog|work | ~whaleparry Lunessa |
| 20:22.48 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Lunessa's attacks. |
| 20:23.02 | TecnoBrat | rofl, I like doing a search for my nick on google |
| 20:23.09 | TecnoBrat | and reading some of the things I have posted over the years |
| 20:23.15 | TecnoBrat | man, I was a noob |
| 20:23.47 | cog|work | TecnoBrat: hehe. yeah... I looked back at some posts on game programming forums when I was 14 or so... |
| 20:23.48 | Lunessa | Hah, I goggled my real name and found stuff I used to post when I worked for a large internet company and I had to use my name for public relations stuff. |
| 20:23.57 | Lunessa | From like, a decade ago. |
| 20:24.27 | cog|work | Lunessa: who would you be if it weren't in the sticky? ;) |
| 20:24.44 | Lunessa | I'd be posting as Unkle. |
| 20:24.46 | TecnoBrat | Webhost Terminology |
| 20:24.46 | TecnoBrat | by Brian Stolz |
| 20:24.49 | TecnoBrat | Oh god |
| 20:24.50 | Lunessa | Since that's my main now. |
| 20:24.51 | TecnoBrat | hahahahaa |
| 20:25.17 | Lunessa | Or I could use Lothay for those of us who remember EQ. |
| 20:25.24 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 20:26.04 | Lunessa | She's also a Level 70 mage in crappy gear on Kirin Tor. Even my spec is bad. :P |
| 20:27.59 | TecnoBrat | you know which name Cairenn? |
| 20:28.06 | Cairenn | Lothay |
| 20:29.43 | cog|work | u guiz caiburd on teh eq lolz |
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| 20:30.05 | TecnoBrat | I never played EQ |
| 20:30.15 | TecnoBrat | some say thats a good thing, some say I'm missing out :P |
| 20:31.17 | Lunessa | cog|work: From back in the day. When EQI launched. I was an XML junkie over there, and a mod over at EQ Traders - so I was pretty invested in EQ. Cairenn just remembers me from then. I r teh old lawl. |
| 20:31.17 | cog|work | wow was my first mmo evar |
| 20:31.48 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 20:34.30 | Lunessa | I'm scared to go look for any of my old work on EQI. I bet the XML is pretty shoddy. |
| 20:34.42 | zenzelezz | I wonder why I keep playing MMOs... always end up losing touch with the good people and get bored when there's only dull people to talk to |
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| 20:37.42 | Lunessa | That's something I've noticed about MMO populations in general. It's very easy to lose touch with folks, especially when you can move servers, or games entirely. |
| 20:46.01 | cog|work | :( |
| 20:46.11 | cog|work | I feel like such a sheep... |
| 20:46.20 | cog|work | I always end up "winning" on slashdot polls |
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| 20:50.53 | Lunessa | wait... you can win on teh intarwebz? |
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| 20:53.02 | zenzelezz | I did notice that MMOs are a great way to meet girls... halfway around the world... who you end up scaring away in the end anyhow |
| 20:53.31 | TecnoBrat | ..... |
| 20:57.04 | dreamss | lolzenz |
| 20:57.15 | dreamss | who end up having male reproductive organs |
| 20:57.50 | zenzelezz | there are limits to how long you can fake webcams and voice chats |
| 20:59.15 | dreamss | WARNING: device driver updates causing Vista to deactivate http://digg.com/microsoft/WARNING_device_driver_updates_causing_Vista_to_deactivate |
| 20:59.17 | dreamss | LOL |
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| 21:11.21 | Cidan | dreamss: That's why I'm glad I moved away from Windows |
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| 21:14.45 | dreamss | when i read about the new drm system and how drivers can disable it, i rather stick to xp |
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| 21:25.52 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:26.07 | Cidan | So there is this website that you can get a free xbox, just sign up for the promos |
| 21:26.12 | Cidan | I had heard about it, I know it's lefit |
| 21:26.15 | Cidan | er, legit |
| 21:26.19 | dreamss | freeipod |
| 21:26.22 | Cidan | so I picked the Discover card promo |
| 21:26.24 | dreamss | free insertitem |
| 21:26.35 | Cidan | Since I have like, 15 credit cards (all at 0 balance) |
| 21:26.41 | Cidan | 'cause I like to collect them |
| 21:26.50 | dreamss | no fees? |
| 21:26.51 | Cidan | totally didn't expect to be approved |
| 21:26.52 | Kaso | that doesnt seem like the best idea in the world somehow |
| 21:26.53 | Cidan | no fees |
| 21:27.10 | Cidan | Nah, I worked as an account manager at a debt collection law firm for three years |
| 21:27.22 | dreamss | know how to play credit? |
| 21:27.23 | Cidan | I handled about 11 million dollars worth of assets |
| 21:27.31 | Cidan | I don't play it, I'm honest about it. |
| 21:27.43 | dreamss | are u even trying to get ur score up |
| 21:27.45 | Cidan | Credit cards won't "kill you" or whatever bullshit stories you hear. |
| 21:27.51 | dreamss | or just bored and like to show plastic to girls |
| 21:27.53 | Cidan | My score is up in the 800's or so |
| 21:28.04 | Cidan | Just pay your damn bill and you're fine. |
| 21:28.08 | Cidan | Read before you sign up, etc. |
| 21:28.16 | dreamss | unless u using 1 cc to pay the other cc bill |
| 21:28.17 | dreamss | hehe |
| 21:28.44 | Cidan | Nah |
| 21:28.53 | Cidan | I don't even use em, I really just like to collect them |
| 21:28.57 | Cidan | I even have a WoW card |
| 21:28.58 | dreamss | which is the american way |
| 21:29.19 | Cidan | I think I have well over 100k in credit on cards alone at this point |
| 21:29.47 | Cidan | Not a single loan, except student loans, are taken out right now though. |
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| 21:36.10 | Cidan | Curious to see if this works |
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| 21:44.03 | dreamss | nice cidian |
| 21:44.20 | dreamss | glad too see some pople can work the credit system instead of paying more on fees |
| 21:44.22 | dreamss | :P |
| 21:46.01 | Cidan | Again, I don't... "work" the credit system. |
| 21:46.06 | Cidan | I pay my bills, I'm never late. |
| 21:46.16 | Cidan | I don't try to bullshit around fees. |
| 21:46.32 | Cidan | If I were to be late, it's my fault. If I were to go over my credit limit, it's my fault. |
| 21:46.50 | JoshBorke | Cidan: have you had loans in the past? |
| 21:46.55 | Cidan | Indeed. |
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| 21:51.40 | Cidan | okay, that's two offers down |
| 21:51.44 | Cidan | stamps.com and discover |
| 21:51.47 | Cidan | 8 more to go... |
| 21:52.07 | Cidan | (doing all this on a credit card so if I get rogue charges, I can charge back) |
| 21:52.13 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 21:52.53 | zenzelezz | rogue Charge? That's so haxx |
| 21:53.18 | Cidan | Yeah well these companies will do that |
| 21:53.21 | Cidan | Just have to watch out |
| 21:53.28 | Cidan | I signed up for stamps.com and their service |
| 21:53.35 | Cidan | called them up just now to cancel |
| 21:53.48 | Cidan | he was like, "Why would you like to cancel?" |
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| 21:53.56 | Cidan | I'm like, "Your software doesn't work on my OS." |
| 21:54.00 | Cidan | "Is it a Mac?" |
| 21:54.03 | Cidan | "Nope, Linux." |
| 21:54.05 | Cidan | "Oh..." |
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| 21:54.42 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure what's worse, making a bad pun or making a bad pun that goes unnoticed |
| 21:55.04 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: both |
| 21:55.15 | pastamancer | or intentionally unacknowledged ;) |
| 21:55.30 | Cidan | I got it like, 2 seconds ago |
| 21:55.31 | Cidan | man |
| 21:55.33 | Cidan | rogue charge... |
| 21:55.38 | Cidan | That would rock. |
| 21:55.39 | zenzelezz | that doesn't happen pastamancer; this is IRC - if it fails it's your duty to mock the person |
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| 21:56.39 | zenzelezz | failure to comply will result in offensive action |
| 21:56.51 | JoshBorke | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 21:56.51 | purl | hits zenzelezz with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 21:56.57 | Cidan | Okay, that's 3, just signed up for an ITT info packet |
| 21:57.14 | Cidan | Mind you, I'm using my other address and phone number, both of which are about to be invalid soon. |
| 21:57.43 | JoshBorke | what are you doing cidan? |
| 21:58.33 | Cidan | www.freezone.com |
| 21:58.38 | Cidan | sign up for 10 offers, get an xbox |
| 21:58.45 | Cidan | not that I'll ever play the damn thing |
| 21:58.53 | Cidan | but I've always wanted to know if these things were true |
| 21:58.56 | zenzelezz | 1 or 360? |
| 21:58.59 | Cidan | So I figured eh, what the hell? |
| 21:59.02 | Cidan | 360 |
| 21:59.09 | Cidan | prolly the core system too |
| 21:59.17 | Cidan | so no hdd, etc |
| 21:59.43 | Cidan | if it works, I'll let everyone know, :P |
| 22:00.12 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:00.40 | Cidan | Ever since that free ipod thing, I've always wanted to know if it was true |
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| 22:05.28 | dreamss | its BS |
| 22:05.44 | dreamss | msn gamer zone thing is the only one i seen give out free prices |
| 22:05.56 | Cidan | we'll see |
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| 22:16.40 | Anitora | Howdy |
| 22:17.14 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 22:17.31 | Anitora | I got a weird issue, or maybe not so weird with my mod's memory usage |
| 22:17.53 | JoshBorke | how do i stop joining the LFG channel again? |
| 22:18.08 | Anitora | In perforancefu is lists my total memory usage at 30 MiB |
| 22:18.27 | Anitora | Josh, you have to leave the looking for group ui panel |
| 22:18.32 | mikma | JoshBorke: stop using LFG/LFM :) |
| 22:18.45 | JoshBorke | but i don't care if it's there, i just don't want it messing with my channel listing |
| 22:19.03 | Anitora | Anyways, yeah so im running at 30 MiB, but it lists my mods as using 17.2 |
| 22:19.15 | Anitora | what is using that other 13? |
| 22:19.19 | cog|work | Anitora: the default UI |
| 22:19.23 | Kaydeethree | magic and pixie dust |
| 22:19.55 | Anitora | well its almost doubling my ui memory usage is that normal? |
| 22:20.04 | cog|work | it's not doubling your memory usage |
| 22:20.13 | cog|work | it's using up the amount of memory it uses... |
| 22:20.26 | cog|work | You shouldn't be so worried |
| 22:20.30 | Kaydeethree | and remember that wow is using several orders of magnitude more ram |
| 22:20.36 | cog|work | memory usage does not performance diminish |
| 22:20.41 | Anitora | even if I disable all my mods except for fubar and performance fu it lists at around 7mib |
| 22:21.06 | Valaron|Work | 30Mb is nothing |
| 22:21.17 | cog|work | Anitora: you shouldn't fret so much over memory usage |
| 22:21.19 | Kaydeethree | unless you're not meeting minimum requirements of a gig of ram, the amount of memory that your UI is using is a fly on the horse's back |
| 22:21.21 | Anitora | true it's not, but im only 1/4 done reduing my mods |
| 22:21.35 | Anitora | before I could hit 100+ easy in a 25 man raid |
| 22:21.46 | cog|work | memory usage is not an indication of performance |
| 22:21.52 | Anitora | Which is why i decided to redue my mods in hopes of lowering that number |
| 22:22.11 | cog|work | i don't think we're getting through to you |
| 22:22.25 | Anitora | No i understand that, but 100 mib is not high? |
| 22:22.34 | cog|work | there is no "high" |
| 22:22.36 | zenzelezz | not unless you have 512 MB RAM |
| 22:22.39 | Thrae | When informed people talk about memory usage, they talk about the flucuation of memory usage -- how much your memory usage is increasing and decreasing per second over a period time. Depending on the amount, it can cause a good sized performance hit. |
| 22:23.13 | Thrae | People tend to drop all the "over time" crap and thing they're talking about just total, which is wrong. Total memory usage was never really an issue. |
| 22:23.20 | cog|work | if you have 512 MB of ram, you have far worse problems to worry about than the UI |
| 22:23.21 | Anitora | Gotcha, so if im running 100 mib but my performance is fine then just roll with it? |
| 22:23.27 | cog|work | exactly |
| 22:23.38 | Thrae | Total memory usage can indicate a problem with a memory leak, like if you have 300MB of UI memory used up |
| 22:23.39 | Anitora | lol naw im at 4mb |
| 22:24.34 | Thrae | And if you have over 100MB of UI Memory used up, that means you probably have a lot of addons that are actually doing expensive things |
| 22:25.13 | Anitora | Ok question 2, when I installed fubar it was the first mod I installed and it started at about 600kb with a small increasing amount |
| 22:25.15 | Thrae | Like a "cool compliation which has full animated portraits and stuff" |
| 22:25.26 | Anitora | naw i install my mods one at a time |
| 22:25.41 | cog|work | There's always going to be some memory usage |
| 22:25.45 | Anitora | but now that I have a few more mods it starts at around 4mb |
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| 22:25.49 | cog|work | +increasing |
| 22:26.53 | Thrae | Anitora: When an addon first loads up, the amount of memory it takes up and the amount it takes up per/second is going to be higher then, say, ~10 minutes after startup. This is due to the setup process for each individual addon, and/or their frameworks. |
| 22:27.02 | Anitora | what would you say the cutoff would be for you? in terms of the most you would allow a mod to have +increasing rate? |
| 22:27.11 | cog|work | i wouldn't |
| 22:27.21 | Thrae | Anitora: The values near startup are only important if you want to reduce load time. |
| 22:27.22 | cog|work | if it works and doesn't bog down the system it's fine |
| 22:27.40 | zenzelezz | you can't just throw out random numbers, memory usage depends entirely on what the addon is doing |
| 22:27.40 | Cidan | I dislike mods that have massive increasing rates at all times |
| 22:27.43 | |Jelly| | Load times are just bio/drink breaks imo. |
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| 22:28.24 | Anitora | at 100MiB I was getting loading times of around 15 seconds |
| 22:28.25 | Thrae | cog|work: Well, "bog down the system" can be very relative. When you're in a raid, you may need every tiny bit of processing power you can muster, so try to take out the most expensive addons that you can live without |
| 22:28.48 | |Jelly| | I can't say I buy that but I'm also not going to argue with you. |
| 22:29.07 | Thrae | My laptop plays fine until I get to an area with a lot of unique units (city, raid, bg, etc.), so I don't put expensive addons on it that I would use on my desktop |
| 22:29.29 | Anitora | So basically the better your system the more mods it can handle without affecting performance in a noticable manner? |
| 22:29.39 | cog|work | Thrae: that's almost certainly not related to addons |
| 22:29.40 | Cidan | Sure |
| 22:29.52 | Thrae | Anitora: Well, it depends on how good the two systems you are comparing are |
| 22:30.12 | Anitora | Well I have a core 2 duo, 4mb ram and a gefore 8800 |
| 22:30.14 | Thrae | Anitora: Back in the day, addons used to take up a lot more resources overall then they do nowadays. |
| 22:30.17 | cog|work | that's all video memory and HD transfers as it loads and displays textures for the units' armor, etc. |
| 22:30.27 | Thrae | Anitora: Yeah, you can run 1 billion addons and see nothing. |
| 22:30.49 | Anitora | well the only issue I have is my framerates in raids drop to around 10-15 fps |
| 22:31.08 | Thrae | Anitora: With your computer, addons are definately NOT causing that |
| 22:31.21 | Anitora | But from what i understand here, my mods have no effect over framerate |
| 22:31.48 | Thrae | Anitora: They have effect over CPU time, and your computer has more then enough CPU resources |
| 22:32.05 | cog|work | Anitora: they will have an effect on framerate |
| 22:32.47 | cog|work | but there is no cause and effect relationship between memory usage and CPU usage |
| 22:32.47 | cog|work | CPU usage is where addons will begin to affect framerates |
| 22:33.25 | Thrae | My laptop is a 1.3GHz Pentium-M, 32MB On-Chip VRAM ATI Mobility 9000, 1GB RAM. It also gets about 10-15FPS in raids, and using too many expensive (in CPU time) addons can and will reduce that by a lot, since I'm already near the bottom threshold |
| 22:34.13 | zenzelezz | if you're having framerate issues in raids, try first lowering your graphics settings... more spells and fancy stuff going on there |
| 22:34.13 | Anitora | wow is just weird I suppose, im running around 30 fps here in shatt, yet in other games such as fps I can easly top 100fps without breaking a sweat, in wow I can only hope to see 100+ by lokking at a wall |
| 22:34.13 | Thrae | By actually reducing the amount on my screen for UI, I do add a few FPS in severe circumsyanctes |
| 22:34.22 | cog|work | Anitora: WoW is extremely bus and video memory hungry |
| 22:34.52 | zenzelezz | Anitora: in cities WoW generally has a lot more unique models to render than the average FPS, thanks to armor and similar things |
| 22:34.58 | cog|work | exactly |
| 22:35.12 | Thrae | Anitora: Most things in a game are pre-rendered to drastically improve speed. WoW can't do that because of all the different weapon, armour, etc. combinations, and leaving room for more. |
| 22:35.33 | Anitora | Makes sense |
| 22:36.00 | Thrae | Anitora: So your GPU and CPU are taxxed to hell, then your network card taxes your CPU too, and this all goes under similiar buses too (all of it going at least under the same FSB) |
| 22:36.00 | Anitora | In a fps they know that a monster is about to pop out and allready have it rendered, in wow they have no clue if a druid is around the corner |
| 22:36.25 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 22:36.37 | Kaydeethree | from nasatv: "... and there was much rejoicing ..." |
| 22:36.38 | Thrae | Anitora: That's also part of it -- they can't pre-render the area around them using idle time |
| 22:36.53 | Thrae | Anitora: Well, they can't pre-render it for models |
| 22:37.34 | Anitora | So the advice I should heed..."Use as many mods as makes me happy" "during raids just disable ones I wont need" "lower my graphics settings during raids" |
| 22:38.09 | cog|work | pretty much... |
| 22:38.26 | cog|work | usually disabling mods isn't even necessary |
| 22:38.29 | Thrae | Anitora: For framerate reduction, it goes like this: Lower graphics settings, turn off audio, disable / tweak BIG mods, various tiny stuff, get better hardware |
| 22:38.56 | Thrae | Anitora: If you have stuff like Threat and/or Omen, Assessment, etc., that stuff takes HUGE chunks out of your processing time, if you compare it to all other addons |
| 22:39.00 | cog|work | Any addon that is not combat-related but still does enough processing during combat to affect framerate is worth replacing |
| 22:39.20 | Thrae | Anitora: Right, look at ones that do special stuff during combat |
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| 22:39.39 | Anitora | SCT, Omen, Swstats, ect... |
| 22:39.53 | cog|work | yeah... unfortunately some of the most performance-hungry mods are also on the "required" lists for most guilds :( |
| 22:40.33 | Thrae | Anitora: Blizzard usually gives pretty low-resource usage versions of existing addons. Blizzard's Floating Combat Text (also known as "FCT") can be used in place of SCT or MSBT, both of which give better looking results, but use up more resources. |
| 22:40.33 | Anitora | would using a viewport to reduce the rendered area increase framerate? |
| 22:40.46 | cog|work | yep |
| 22:41.07 | Thrae | Anitora: Yes, drastically so as you get higher in percentage. You could put pieces of your UI in the blank spaces. |
| 22:41.20 | Anitora | I use skinner which takes up the lower portion of my screen, suppose I could just render the screen to display above it |
| 22:41.33 | Kaso | hitting alt-Z usually doubles your fps, its quite amusing |
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| 22:41.46 | Thrae | Anitora: However, I'd also look at stuff like updating your computer's drivers. |
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| 22:41.58 | cog|work | heh... looks like a ctrl-w instead of ctrl-v |
| 22:42.00 | Anitora | oops lol =) |
| 22:42.14 | Thrae | cog|work: dvorak? |
| 22:42.16 | zenzelezz | or he's using mIRC and tried Alt+Z |
| 22:42.31 | Thrae | w and v are not near each other in qwerty :D |
| 22:42.35 | Anitora | dual monitors |
| 22:42.41 | bleeter | they're both on the left hand! |
| 22:42.46 | Anitora | forgot to click wow window before the alt z |
| 22:43.02 | cog|work | zenzelezz wins :P |
| 22:43.03 | Thrae | Anyway, time to go upgrade my raid |
| 22:43.47 | Anitora | Has anyone used healbot before? |
| 22:44.04 | zenzelezz | back in the day people would occasionally say "hey, I just found out what alt+z does!" to see how many people tried it... mIRC at least closes the current window if you do, not sure about other clients |
| 22:44.42 | zenzelezz | a bit like in Anarchy Online before they added the suicide confirmation dialog... "/shout how do you kill yourself?" -> watch people forget to think before typing /terminate |
| 22:46.08 | Anitora | lol reminds me of a guy in asherons call, when you died it would say "<Monstername> beat <playername> to a bloody pulp" |
| 22:46.14 | Kaydeethree | oh, that's just evil |
| 22:46.16 | Anitora | so this guy names himself His Meat |
| 22:47.28 | Anitora | Ne1 know a good viewport mod that isnt part of a pack, just a standalone viewport mod? |
| 22:47.47 | Kaydeethree | CT_Viewport can be run on its own |
| 22:47.50 | Saint-N | irc questions: How do i....? irc answers: alt-f4, format c: /q, rm -rf / |
| 22:48.48 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.13 | bleeter | oh |
| 22:51.18 | bleeter | ~fail me |
| 22:51.19 | purl | bleeter: Fail. |
| 22:51.54 | Saint-N | how do you like your coffee? Crisp... get it? i like my Coffee Crisp... |
| 22:52.57 | Kaydeethree | gah. each time they show a replay of the SRBs detaching from the orbiter my heart skips a beat |
| 23:08.44 | dreamss | http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20071022/tc_pcworld/138751 |
| 23:08.46 | dreamss | LOL |
| 23:13.55 | Kaso | Anyone know about the echo protocol on port 7 |
| 23:14.04 | Kaso | why isnt it working for my UDP packets |
| 23:17.06 | Fin | because it's not enabled for UDP? |
| 23:17.23 | Anitora | What damage meter would u say is prob the best? |
| 23:17.31 | Fin | assessment |
| 23:17.36 | Anitora | Ive been using swstats |
| 23:22.11 | JoshBorke | <3 Recount |
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| 23:25.22 | Kaso | Fin, the RFC says it should work for UDP http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc862.txt |
| 23:25.47 | MentalPower|AFK | Kaso: I *think* the echo protocol is TCP-only. Oh... hmm... implementation fault? |
| 23:26.19 | Kaso | I guess it must just be that windows implements it only for TCP |
| 23:26.19 | zenzelezz | sure they have an echo server running ? |
| 23:26.42 | Kaso | Im just testing with standard windows pc, they echo fine for TCP connections. |
| 23:27.05 | Kaso | seems odd that microsoft would only implement half off it, but hey guess that's it |
| 23:27.22 | Shirik | MentalPower|AFK: SIGIMP? |
| 23:27.30 | Shirik | heh |
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| 23:59.03 | Fin | Kaso: sure, I'm saying, TCP echo is enabled, is UDP? |
| 23:59.19 | Fin | and, oh, you're talking about a Windwos machine |
| 23:59.39 | Fin | -wo+ow |
| 23:59.46 | Kaso | yah |
