| 00:00.22 | Esamynn | makes sense |
| 00:01.27 | Corrodias | yeah... but then it'd be assigned to the highest roller regardless |
| 00:02.13 | Gnarfoz | which is the same as someone choosing need nowadays when they really just want to sell it ^^ |
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| 00:04.06 | Corrodias | my realm was one opened in the second batch of realms, i believe |
| 00:04.17 | Corrodias | so i can see how, being an older one, it has developed this tendency |
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| 00:13.04 | Esamynn | yah, my realm was one of the early ones as well |
| 00:19.12 | Corrodias | which means it's better than the other guys'! |
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| 00:47.41 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.27 | art3mis | you would cry too if it happened to yoooooooooooooooooouuuuuu |
| 00:48.54 | Thunder_Child | i wish you people would stop getting songs stuck in my head |
| 00:49.09 | art3mis | haha |
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| 00:59.47 | Thunder_Child | actually i dont do the party thing |
| 01:00.06 | Kaydeethree | egah. after the original 134MB, there's another 80MB patch. what the hell are they pushing out for the PTR? |
| 01:00.31 | art3mis | EggPlant Attack v2.3 |
| 01:00.49 | art3mis | everyone is a spoon and eggplants attack the main cities |
| 01:03.52 | art3mis | http://www.stardock.com/products/themes/Pirate/images/Premium_Pirate.jpg <-- best desktop makeover ever |
| 01:10.19 | AnduinLothar | Is the pally threat redux not in this ptr patch? |
| 01:10.30 | Cidan | there is no threat redux |
| 01:10.38 | AnduinLothar | yes, there is |
| 01:10.42 | Kaydeethree | it should be in the one coming up tonight |
| 01:10.49 | AnduinLothar | they're adding it to fanatacism |
| 01:10.53 | Cidan | shh |
| 01:10.57 | AnduinLothar | 30% |
| 01:11.00 | Cidan | trying to spoil it for sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:15.25 | AnduinLothar | anyone remember how to turn off the debug on the left of the screen on the ptr? |
| 01:15.38 | Kaydeethree | "debug"? |
| 01:15.59 | Kaydeethree | new ptr client! current build: 7441. diff at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/0.3.0.7382-7441.diff |
| 01:16.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, the yellowish programmer debug spam |
| 01:16.38 | Kaydeethree | I don't see that. your mods? |
| 01:17.02 | AnduinLothar | i might have a config variable left over from a previosu build |
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| 01:31.09 | AnduinLothar | The current ptr DOES containt he threat redux |
| 01:31.14 | AnduinLothar | it's just not in the patch notes |
| 01:31.45 | AnduinLothar | the Fanaticism tooltip says 30% |
| 01:32.13 | AnduinLothar | "reduces threat from all actions 30%" |
| 01:32.29 | AnduinLothar | ^by 30% |
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| 01:50.19 | Cidan | that sucked |
| 01:50.20 | AnduinLothar | my poor leg |
| 01:50.21 | AnduinLothar | http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/debug.jpg |
| 01:50.27 | AnduinLothar | http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/noleg.jpg |
| 01:51.38 | Industrial | lol |
| 01:54.11 | Kaydeethree | good thing this build isn't going live. I expect you'll have to deal with it til monday |
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| 02:02.28 | AnduinLothar | disabling errors: /console errors 0 |
| 02:02.33 | AnduinLothar | the leg thing tho.... |
| 02:03.33 | Thunder_Child | heh, you dont have a leg to stand on |
| 02:03.43 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 02:03.43 | purl | blasts Thunder_Child to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 02:07.03 | Esamynn | haha |
| 02:10.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.mmo-champion.com/ has a nice listing of the item changes from lower lvl instances |
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| 02:37.19 | Thunder_Child | anyone know of some software that is a compression program for video, w/o reencoding or otherwise fuxing with it? |
| 02:37.50 | Thunder_Child | e.g. winzip for video |
| 02:39.26 | MentalPower | why without re-encoding? |
| 02:40.26 | Thunder_Child | all i want to do is fit 7.5 GB of video on a 4.5 GB DVD |
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| 02:47.15 | MentalPower | sorry, but your only option is re-encoding |
| 02:47.33 | MentalPower | s/option/real option/ |
| 02:47.51 | MentalPower | you can use winzip, but the compression gains will be negligible |
| 02:48.14 | MentalPower | and the size change you want is not exactly small |
| 02:52.29 | Thunder_Child | bah, ok, thanks MentalPower |
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| 03:01.18 | Kandoko | Quick question O' computer guru's. I currently have xp on a 160 primary drive.(48.6 MB Average read speed) And 2 500GB drive in raid 1. I am considering buying another 500GB, setting up a raid5 install XP on it for games, and have Ubuntu on the 160GB as boot drive. Any pitfalls to this plan? |
| 03:03.11 | Thunder_Child | will grub pick up multiple OS's on seperate physical drives? |
| 03:03.23 | Thunder_Child | or grub equivelent |
| 03:07.33 | sylvanaar | honestly raid5 isnt worth the hassle |
| 03:07.58 | sylvanaar | especially with 3 drives |
| 03:07.59 | Kaydeethree | better than using a jbod/raid 0/lvm, at least if you've got 4+ drives |
| 03:08.06 | Kaydeethree | but yeah, not with 3 |
| 03:08.13 | Iriel | Raid 5 is slow compared to mirroring or striping |
| 03:08.23 | Iriel | And really, given todays drive prices, why bother |
| 03:08.26 | sylvanaar | get 4 drives do raid 10 |
| 03:08.46 | Thunder_Child | raid 5 gives you backup qaulitys |
| 03:08.48 | Iriel | What sylvanaar said. |
| 03:09.01 | Thunder_Child | qualities* |
| 03:09.01 | Thunder_Child | ..soemthing like thta |
| 03:09.02 | Thunder_Child | something* |
| 03:09.04 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 03:09.07 | Iriel | yeah, but mirroring does too without all the screwing around with complex parity configurations |
| 03:09.22 | Iriel | All raid 5 gives you is less 'wasted' space, at the expense of complexity and speed |
| 03:09.26 | bleeter | booo |
| 03:09.28 | Thunder_Child | can you mirrior with an uneven ammount of drives? |
| 03:09.53 | Iriel | No, but you probably wouldn't bother |
| 03:09.53 | sylvanaar | i have 7 drives in my machine, and no raid at all - in the end, it isnt worth the trouble |
| 03:10.04 | Thunder_Child | i have 5 no raids either |
| 03:10.43 | Iriel | I have almost 100 GB of photographs that I dont particularly want to lose, so those are on a mirrored drive. As is my SVN repository. Both are also backed up to other systems |
| 03:10.59 | Iriel | I have one very old raid 5 config from back when drives were expensive and really, it wasn't worth the hassle |
| 03:11.00 | sylvanaar | you can mirror one if you want - yeah, i just do routine partition copies |
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| 03:13.54 | sylvanaar | i had trouble with a mirror once where one of the drives had a bad sector, which would result in huge time consuming rebuild operations by the controller - i finallly just broke the mirror permanently |
| 03:13.55 | Iriel | I have a handy Western Digital external drive with built in raid, it's pretty spiffy and zero hassle |
| 03:14.31 | Iriel | The idea there is to replace the drive |
| 03:14.37 | Iriel | You're just asking for trouble otherwise |
| 03:14.44 | sylvanaar | yeah, i just pulled it |
| 03:15.41 | sylvanaar | i do scheduled backups |
| 03:15.53 | sylvanaar | of the partitions |
| 03:16.21 | sylvanaar | most of the stuff never changes anyways |
| 03:17.30 | Cidan | I'm sorry to hear you use Western Digital Iriel. |
| 03:17.30 | sylvanaar | external thing sounds neat - is it firewire or external sata |
| 03:17.45 | Cidan | When your hard drive blows up and takes everything with it, might I suggest Seagate? |
| 03:17.50 | sylvanaar | werent they bought out by segate |
| 03:18.07 | Cidan | Yes, but they are still made in the same manner |
| 03:18.36 | Cidan | Over my time fixing computers (~300), I'd say about half were blow backs from WD drives |
| 03:18.46 | Cidan | Takes the power supply with it too |
| 03:20.48 | sylvanaar | well, seagate is ok - in my experience wd drives fail before thier warranty expires at a time when i'd still rma them |
| 03:21.10 | sylvanaar | the seagates fail later, and i throw them out |
| 03:23.04 | sylvanaar | dunno which is better really, as the rma'ed refurb replacements end up extending lasting longer |
| 03:24.05 | sylvanaar | i never heard of a hd taking out a psu - it does this how? |
| 03:27.20 | sylvanaar | seems like the reverse makes more sense - but im no expert |
| 03:30.43 | Iriel | sylvanaar: Firewire and USB |
| 03:30.59 | Iriel | Cidan: I've had more issues with seagate than WD over time, but really, all drives live long enough |
| 03:31.34 | Kandoko | Sort of have to agre with sylvanaar, As someone who has managed to short out the molex plug HD (stuck it in upside down) on a running Comp, It tripped th PS breaker and made pretty sparks, but both drive and PS survived. I may have been lucky there thou |
| 03:32.15 | Iriel | Commonwealth Edison took out more of my drives than any manufacturer |
| 03:32.51 | Thunder_Child | i took out more of my drives than anyone else :p |
| 03:32.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:33.50 | Thunder_Child | but http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=630 still makes me wet |
| 03:34.59 | Kandoko | Thanks for the advise all. I may just get a better performing system drive, and keep existing raid1. Thou it getting full so the 4 drive raid 10 is beginning to look tempting. |
| 03:35.16 | Iriel | Do make sure you have same-speed pairs for a mirror |
| 03:36.11 | Iriel | That SATA stage rack is.. interesting |
| 03:40.12 | Kandoko | Nice sight, you will be to blame for my credit card bill .... |
| 03:40.16 | Kandoko | *site |
| 03:40.27 | Kandoko | http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=488 |
| 03:41.04 | Thunder_Child | Kandoko, i have had the honor of making many many people spend money...i seem to be rather good at it |
| 03:41.16 | Kandoko | Lets see yah throw that on your carry on luggage. |
| 03:41.17 | Thunder_Child | sadly, none of it was ever one me |
| 03:41.20 | Iriel | I just bookmarked that site, i'm sure I'll blame you later. |
| 03:41.28 | Thunder_Child | gee, thanks |
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| 03:55.15 | Kaydeethree | hm, the new kara music is interesting |
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| 03:57.06 | Industrial | Why do they announce the number of casualties/deaths in accidents from your country in the news? |
| 03:57.18 | Industrial | Should it give you more reason to mourn? |
| 03:57.56 | Industrial | (Its getting late, im past that time where I constrain myself to talking about crap) |
| 03:58.11 | Industrial | s/to/from/ |
| 03:59.57 | sylvanaar | Thunder_Child i hate you for linking that |
| 04:00.03 | Shirik | sooooo |
| 04:00.08 | Shirik | Aimed shot now adds a mortal strike effect |
| 04:00.14 | Shirik | and has no dead zone |
| 04:00.26 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar, you dont have to buy it....just fantasize over it |
| 04:00.34 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 04:05.54 | Thrae | OK, the Arena points calculator on ThraeBot is now correct. !ap for rating->points and !ar for points->rating. |
| 04:06.33 | Industrial | !c eu grim batol seryan |
| 04:06.36 | ThraeBot | Industrial: Seryan, Level 45 Troll Hunter (36/0/0). 2533 HP; 1995 Mana; 69 mana regen; 50.900 Melee DPS; 3.32% melee crit; 70.00 Ranged DPS; 6.40% ranged crit; 8.67% dodge; +10 all resists;[[ TBR: 435 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrw6xs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2n8t5r ][ Updated: Sat Oct 20 00:09:36 2007 EST ]] |
| 04:06.47 | Industrial | Slowly. |
| 04:08.04 | Cidan | Cairenn: I worked around the bug so I can at least login, :/ |
| 04:08.47 | Cairenn | good |
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| 04:10.45 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 04:10.45 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
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| 04:40.36 | Cidan | Kaydeethree: What version of Wine did you have to use for Steam? |
| 04:40.43 | Cidan | 'cause .47 isn't working |
| 04:40.49 | Cidan | I get no sound |
| 04:41.01 | Kaydeethree | I orignally installed steam just fine in .46 or .47. I'm using .42 to play portal/HL2 |
| 04:41.18 | Cidan | I can start it up just fine, I just get no sound |
| 04:41.22 | Cidan | no matter what I do |
| 04:41.27 | Kaydeethree | winecfg |
| 04:41.30 | Cidan | did |
| 04:41.34 | Kaydeethree | using alsa/oss? |
| 04:41.41 | Cidan | one, or the other, or both |
| 04:41.44 | Cidan | and emulation on |
| 04:41.45 | Cidan | no dice |
| 04:41.48 | Cidan | using win2k |
| 04:42.04 | Kaydeethree | start it from the console, you should get an error message early on about sound |
| 04:42.13 | Cidan | did, nothing. |
| 04:42.39 | Cidan | well hmm |
| 04:43.01 | Cidan | ALSA lib ../../src/conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0 |
| 04:43.02 | Cidan | ALSA lib ../../../src/control/control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL |
| 04:43.07 | Cidan | but I get that when I start anything. |
| 04:43.52 | Kaydeethree | do you have a weird ~/.asoundrc? |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | so um |
| 04:45.23 | Thunder_Child | lol, i read do you have a busy ~/.asssoundtrack |
| 04:45.24 | Shirik | I can autoshot while bandaging |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | it broke my trap, I was kinda pissed |
| 04:46.11 | Cidan | Kaydeethree: not that I know of, but now the game crashes if I join a team |
| 04:46.11 | Cidan | wtf |
| 04:46.29 | Cidan | I get a pf |
| 04:46.49 | Kaydeethree | in tf2? I know I've seen a bug report about that on bugzilla |
| 04:46.58 | Cidan | yeah, I saw that |
| 04:47.06 | Cidan | hmm, but it didn't happen with .46 |
| 04:48.32 | Cidan | and now the sound works |
| 04:48.33 | Cidan | wtf |
| 04:49.07 | Kaydeethree | btw, the new kara music is <3 |
| 04:50.54 | Cidan | yep, pf if I join teams, even when sound is fixed, no matter the res |
| 04:57.44 | MentalPower | gnight all |
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| 05:27.45 | Cairenn | oh my god, they have GOT to be joking! http://slashdot.org/articles/06/11/11/1356212.shtml |
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| 05:29.09 | ZealotOnAStick | welcome to hell. Here's your handbasket. Form a nice orderly queue. |
| 05:29.32 | Thunder_Child | i would say OK in anything other than an english/lit class |
| 05:30.16 | Thunder_Child | since in CA maybe the US they instituted some retarded program that every class has to have a research assignment |
| 05:30.36 | Thunder_Child | oh...exams... |
| 05:30.40 | Thunder_Child | w/o same thing |
| 05:31.30 | Thunder_Child | i wish dpreview did lenses |
| 05:32.16 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, offhand do you know of a good site for lens reviews? |
| 05:41.08 | Iriel | Actually no, I dont |
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| 05:49.47 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks anyway |
| 05:50.43 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Lens reviews? |
| 05:50.46 | Shirik | what kind of lens? |
| 05:50.52 | Thunder_Child | for DSLR's |
| 05:50.56 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:51.14 | Shirik | I'm actually somewhat of a photography buff myself, but I haven't experimented with enough different companies to give you good suggestions |
| 05:52.54 | Thunder_Child | im looking at "Canon Normal EF 50mm f/1.4 USM Autofocus Lens" & "Canon Zoom Telephoto EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS Image Stabilizer USM Autofocus Lens" atm |
| 05:53.24 | Thunder_Child | what i would like to know though is other companies that can mount on a canon that are similar |
| 05:53.50 | Shirik | eh |
| 05:54.15 | Thunder_Child | hmmm? |
| 05:54.15 | Iriel | I've had good luck with tamron for my Nikon |
| 05:54.32 | Iriel | Though I dont know about a tamron image stabilizer, if such a thing even exists |
| 05:54.35 | Shirik | 70-300? I'd be worried about something like that. But I don't know if you do much macro photography so it might not matter too much |
| 05:54.52 | Thunder_Child | worried how? |
| 05:55.03 | Shirik | just the fact that you wouldn't be able to reach f/4 at about 100mm |
| 05:55.24 | Shirik | but it might not matter to you |
| 05:55.27 | Thunder_Child | http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/canon_70300_456is/index.htm |
| 05:55.29 | Iriel | I have an 80-400 VR, which is nice |
| 05:55.37 | Shirik | I can't stand having that wide of a range on my lenses |
| 05:55.45 | Shirik | none of them have more than a 100mm range. But I'm picky |
| 05:55.48 | Iriel | (VR = Vibration Reduction - Nikon's choice of label) |
| 05:56.04 | Iriel | That can buy you some compensation for the smaller aperture |
| 05:56.08 | Shirik | As a result I carry around 5 lenses at a time, which some can consider to be a pain in the neck |
| 05:56.35 | Thunder_Child | all i really need is wide angle, long range, and low light |
| 05:56.42 | Shirik | Well, Iriel, the reason I prefer to go to a higher aperture is not for the increased light, but rather the smaller focal range |
| 05:56.43 | Thunder_Child | and maybe a "standard" for kick |
| 05:56.44 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 05:56.51 | Shirik | like this picture... |
| 05:57.18 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/May-Flowers-7134349 |
| 05:57.21 | Iriel | That's less of an issue when you're shooting with a 400mm lens |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | which unfortunately I couldn't reach f/4 at that :( |
| 05:57.44 | Thunder_Child | darkroommaster? |
| 05:57.45 | Shirik | Yes I agree :) |
| 05:57.52 | Shirik | That's why I said it might not matter too much |
| 05:58.01 | Iriel | Or, more to the point, I tend to WANT a wide depth of field when i'm shooting with that kind of zoom |
| 05:58.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is that you? |
| 05:58.26 | Shirik | Typically when I'm using a high zoom lens I'm trying to get a closeup of my brother or something on the baseball field |
| 05:58.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:58.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm..gonna stick you on my watch list then |
| 05:58.48 | Shirik | I wouldn't |
| 05:58.53 | Shirik | I haven't uploaded pictures there in.. forever |
| 05:58.59 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 05:59.44 | Iriel | I'm a deviantart slacker too http://partialobscurity.deviantart.com/ |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik | I should start uploading some of my diving shots |
| 06:00.16 | Shirik | but meh |
| 06:00.43 | Shirik | also, Thunder_Child, I probably shouldn't answer your question about lenses, given that I don't use a digital camera |
| 06:00.48 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:00.58 | Thunder_Child | anti-tech!! |
| 06:01.03 | Shirik | eh |
| 06:01.10 | Shirik | I've been thinking about converting but I just can't bring myself to do it |
| 06:01.37 | Thunder_Child | convert!, although then you will have to change your name |
| 06:01.48 | Shirik | unfortunately yes |
| 06:02.05 | Iriel | You could always do photoshop in a darkened room |
| 06:02.13 | Shirik | and it's not worthwhile to me to develop anymore |
| 06:02.25 | Shirik | very few stores do push processing anymore, and even less sell the chemicals |
| 06:02.31 | Shirik | and they can't be delivered due to legal restrictions |
| 06:03.06 | Iriel | Pick up a Nikon D3 when they come out in Nov |
| 06:03.26 | Shirik | also, btw |
| 06:03.29 | Shirik | coolest picture ever |
| 06:03.30 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/Volcano-Remnants-7132925 |
| 06:03.32 | Shirik | "no parking" |
| 06:03.54 | Shirik | Normally I don't take pictures like this |
| 06:03.57 | Shirik | but I was too amused not to |
| 06:04.06 | Shirik | the angle wasn't good, etc., I didn't spend any time taking it |
| 06:04.14 | Wobin | roflroflrofl |
| 06:04.14 | Wobin | http://www.newsweek.com/id/50787 |
| 06:04.24 | Wobin | One fan asked whether Albus Dumbledore, the head of the famed Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft, had ever loved anyone. Rowling smiled. "Dumbledore is gay, actually," replied Rowling as the audience errupted in surprise. |
| 06:04.27 | Wobin | BRILLIANT |
| 06:04.51 | Wobin | Middle america must be burning all those books now =P |
| 06:04.56 | Fisker- | HAMMERTIME |
| 06:05.56 | Thunder_Child | are we taking bets that she writes more books? i say she will |
| 06:06.27 | Wobin | In response to the audience's groans of dismay, Rowling said, jokingly, "O.K., I'll write another book." |
| 06:06.35 | Thunder_Child | yes..jokingly |
| 06:06.37 | Shirik | HP books? No |
| 06:06.40 | Shirik | Maybe something else |
| 06:06.54 | Thunder_Child | not outside of the HP universe |
| 06:06.55 | Wobin | It'll be a prequel |
| 06:07.03 | Wobin | with Dumbledore's UNREQUITED LUV |
| 06:07.21 | Thunder_Child | she might do what card did with the enders shadow thing |
| 06:07.48 | Fisker- | wtf is wrong with blizzard? |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker- | now i got 2 items from winter veil? |
| 06:10.14 | Shirik | Iriel: I think the reason I don't is just because I've grown accustomed to what I have now |
| 06:10.24 | Shirik | and I don't see a valid reason to switch aside from maybe the hassle of developing |
| 06:10.27 | Cairenn | aj.lobato? |
| 06:10.28 | Shirik | but eventually I guess I'll have to... |
| 06:10.34 | Shirik | Cairenn: ? |
| 06:10.44 | Cairenn | if that's you, let me know, otherwise I'm denying the request |
| 06:10.47 | Shirik | You trying to find his email? |
| 06:10.54 | Cairenn | (to whomever) |
| 06:12.25 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, your being even more cryptic than usual |
| 06:13.01 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
| 06:13.01 | Shirik | Made perfect sense to me :) |
| 06:13.01 | Cairenn | Wobin: have a link to wherever you quoted that, about Rowling announcing dumdledore being gay? |
| 06:13.05 | Thunder_Child | http://www.newsweek.com/id/50787 |
| 06:13.06 | Shirik | 14(0211:0311:5914) 14(1115Wobin14) http://www.newsweek.com/id/50787 |
| 06:13.07 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 06:13.12 | Cairenn | danke |
| 06:15.06 | Thunder_Child | who else besides tamron does generic lenses? |
| 06:15.27 | Wobin | tamron? |
| 06:15.37 | Wobin | wasn't he that bloke from Wheel of Time? =P |
| 06:15.47 | Thunder_Child | doesnt ring a bell |
| 06:15.51 | Thunder_Child | tamaron? |
| 06:18.55 | Shirik | Sigma? |
| 06:19.26 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is that a question? |
| 06:19.55 | Cairenn | Wobin: have to disagree with one thing you said though |
| 06:19.57 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cairenn |
| 06:19.57 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Cairenn into court suing for $200 million |
| 06:20.00 | Cairenn | (2:04:29 AM) Wobin: Middle america must be burning all those books now =P |
| 06:20.00 | Shirik | and answer to your question |
| 06:20.03 | Shirik | an* |
| 06:20.17 | Thunder_Child | yes you ended it with a question mark |
| 06:20.20 | Cairenn | they already burned the books - paganism and witchcraft? not permitted! |
| 06:20.23 | Thunder_Child | s/yes/yet/ |
| 06:20.24 | Shirik | he |
| 06:20.37 | Shirik | I do the same on many of my tests ^^ |
| 06:20.43 | Wobin | Cairenn: hehe =) |
| 06:20.50 | Thunder_Child | gratz, your ready for jepordy |
| 06:31.30 | dreamss | J. K. Rowling Reveals Dumbledore is Gay |
| 06:31.31 | dreamss | LOL |
| 06:32.14 | [melin] | arent all of the characters in those books gay? |
| 06:41.06 | Wobin | You've clearly been reading too much fanfic |
| 06:41.40 | cogwheel | what would be the grep command to show all lines that DON'T contain a certain string? |
| 06:42.16 | dreamss | backward grep? |
| 06:42.19 | dreamss | i think its... |
| 06:42.21 | dreamss | mmh |
| 06:42.26 | dreamss | cant remember |
| 06:43.01 | Iriel | -v |
| 06:43.35 | dreamss | ahh yes |
| 06:43.38 | cogwheel | I was being literal when I asked for the command :( |
| 06:43.51 | cogwheel | haven't used it in at least a year |
| 06:44.01 | dreamss | grep -v word file |
| 06:44.05 | cogwheel | tyvm |
| 06:47.35 | cogwheel | holy crap... 112kb taint log shrank to 399 bytes after removing all the Blizzard_FeedbackUI stuff |
| 06:48.09 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:48.11 | Shirik | night guys |
| 06:48.13 | Shirik | wait |
| 06:48.15 | Shirik | taint log? |
| 06:48.55 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&sid=1&pageNo=7#137 |
| 06:49.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.01 | Cairenn | If you get a message "Interface action failed because of an AddOn",this means that an AddOn interfered with the Blizzard UI in some way.Instructions on turning on taint logging and posting the resulting logcan be found here: |
| 06:49.02 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518903044&sid=1 |
| 06:49.13 | Shirik | oh bleh |
| 06:49.14 | Shirik | test |
| 06:49.18 | Shirik | I need it on live >.> |
| 06:50.28 | Thunder_Child | bitch bitch bitch |
| 06:51.45 | cogwheel | sleep sleep sleep |
| 07:01.28 | Fisker- | guildbanks are cheap :o |
| 07:01.33 | Fisker- | 196 bank slots for 11g |
| 07:01.51 | Fisker- | now if only i could rightclick to add stuff like the ordinary bank then that would be awesome |
| 07:02.15 | [melin] | they added the g-bank to testrealm? |
| 07:03.54 | Fisker- | yup |
| 07:04.15 | Fisker- | http://i21.tinypic.com/24dnb81.jpg |
| 07:05.29 | [melin] | what are the right-side tabs for? |
| 07:06.36 | Fisker- | you can buy 6 tabs |
| 07:06.40 | Fisker- | each containing 98 bank slots |
| 07:06.48 | Fisker- | you can customize them as well |
| 07:06.53 | Fisker- | call them what you want and give them an icon |
| 07:06.58 | [melin] | ah ok |
| 07:07.00 | [melin] | neat |
| 07:07.08 | Bejitt | what are the costs? |
| 07:07.11 | [melin] | easy to order the stuff then |
| 07:07.18 | [melin] | sort* |
| 07:07.18 | Fisker- | 1,10,100,1000,5000,10000 |
| 07:07.29 | Bejitt | oh you said already |
| 07:07.37 | Bejitt | sowwy ;( |
| 07:07.44 | Fisker- | just not here :P |
| 07:07.46 | Bejitt | orrrrrr that was differet |
| 07:08.00 | Bejitt | jeez 10k |
| 07:08.05 | [melin] | 14 * 7 slots per tab.. 98 slots - thats pretty descent |
| 07:08.16 | [melin] | and 2 tabs should be quite sufficient for a while |
| 07:08.30 | Fisker- | i'm wondering who will make a an alt with a guild just to get 196 easy bank slots |
| 07:08.46 | [melin] | lots of people? :D |
| 07:08.52 | Fisker- | that's like 4000 snowballs |
| 07:10.34 | [melin] | bah.. cant validate gameversion :D do I have to reinstall the test game? :D |
| 07:11.05 | Fisker- | no |
| 07:11.07 | Fisker- | run the launcher |
| 07:11.13 | Fisker- | they didn't fix their login server |
| 07:11.16 | Fisker- | stupid blizzard etc. |
| 07:11.32 | [melin] | ah |
| 07:12.30 | Fisker- | oh well |
| 07:12.35 | Fisker- | time to put in bug reports and so forth |
| 07:13.08 | Fisker- | their permission system isn't exactly what i thought it would be |
| 07:13.17 | [melin] | oh? |
| 07:13.18 | art3mis | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071020/ap_on_en_ot/books_harry_potter |
| 07:13.25 | art3mis | uhh wtf? |
| 07:13.32 | dreamss | gay dumbeblore? |
| 07:13.36 | art3mis | yeah |
| 07:13.40 | dreamss | J. K. Rowling Reveals Dumbledore is Gay <-- called it |
| 07:13.44 | Fisker- | [melin] basically you can tell them if they can deposit, and how much money or items they can withdraw each day |
| 07:13.45 | art3mis | its a character in a book, who cares... |
| 07:13.53 | Cairenn | welcome to an hour ago |
| 07:14.05 | art3mis | i was watching numbers |
| 07:14.09 | art3mis | and making pudding |
| 07:14.14 | art3mis | but thanks for the greeting |
| 07:14.15 | Fisker- | i was watching your mother undress lol |
| 07:14.21 | art3mis | oh... |
| 07:14.24 | dreamss | fans making it a bigger deal than it is |
| 07:14.24 | art3mis | i'm sorry.. |
| 07:14.29 | art3mis | are you feeling better now? |
| 07:14.39 | Fisker- | no u :( |
| 07:14.57 | art3mis | im eatting french vanilla pudding |
| 07:15.01 | art3mis | its yummy |
| 07:15.07 | art3mis | so im feeling quite well |
| 07:15.15 | Fisker- | ok they've wasted too much stuff on this |
| 07:15.27 | Fisker- | there's place specific vaults |
| 07:15.27 | [melin] | Fisker: is there a way to allow certain ranks more/less than others? |
| 07:15.30 | Fisker- | there's one in shattrath |
| 07:15.35 | Fisker- | which looks like some naaru stuff |
| 07:15.45 | Fisker- | of course [melin] |
| 07:16.06 | Fisker- | but still from the initial info that was given out it sounded like you could even use permission on a per-item level |
| 07:16.22 | art3mis | joins a big guild for the gold withdrawal |
| 07:16.24 | Fisker- | this is pretty sweet |
| 07:16.27 | dreamss | i allways tought of it as rank based |
| 07:16.33 | Wobin | dreamss: er, I called it well before you =P |
| 07:16.34 | [melin] | good - and.. does it log if people insert stuff and/or gold.. meaning - would it be possible to have a "fee system" in the guild.. |
| 07:16.38 | Fisker- | gonna upload some shots |
| 07:16.41 | dreamss | wobin! |
| 07:16.55 | dreamss | yes melin |
| 07:17.02 | Fisker- | you can log people's money/item withdrawals or deposits |
| 07:17.12 | Fisker- | and no you can't take a fee for withdrawing |
| 07:17.16 | Fisker- | and there's no taxes either |
| 07:17.19 | Fisker- | gonna suggest both |
| 07:17.24 | dreamss | lol |
| 07:17.48 | Fisker- | http://i20.tinypic.com/16ld0l4.jpg |
| 07:18.05 | Fisker- | http://i23.tinypic.com/2cpw36x.jpg <-orgrimmar |
| 07:18.27 | Fisker- | ok this bug is obnoxious |
| 07:18.47 | [melin] | Fisker I more meant.. for a raidguild this would allow them to require a "members fee" from their members - and through this log check if people payed or not =) |
| 07:19.19 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.x ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821| "woot, manager isn't here today" - Kadrahil |
| 07:19.27 | Fisker- | as far as i know there's a limit to the log |
| 07:19.32 | dreamss | fee for raiding? |
| 07:19.38 | Fisker- | so it wouldn't be too accurate |
| 07:19.43 | [melin] | ok |
| 07:20.27 | Fisker- | http://i23.tinypic.com/25u39t3.jpg |
| 07:23.16 | Fisker- | LULZ |
| 07:23.44 | Fisker- | http://i24.tinypic.com/2py26aa.jpg |
| 07:24.40 | Fisker- | winrar = blizzard imo :P |
| 07:25.38 | dreamss | lol? |
| 07:25.48 | Cairenn | winrar = grrrrrrrr |
| 07:26.14 | Fisker- | :D |
| 07:26.43 | art3mis | hehe rape teh guild bank of 50k gold and then make 400 1g withdrawals and claim it's a bug ;P |
| 07:26.52 | Fin | Cairenn: how comes? |
| 07:27.10 | Fisker- | art3mis the log is only 50 entries as far as i know |
| 07:27.24 | Cairenn | harder to check for anything malicious when checking mods in the file queue |
| 07:27.24 | art3mis | oh thats much cheaper then ;P |
| 07:27.35 | Fisker- | ah |
| 07:27.40 | Fisker- | thought you hated i called winner = winrar |
| 07:27.41 | Fisker- | :D |
| 07:27.41 | art3mis | cairenn: might wanna mention not to use .rar |
| 07:27.50 | art3mis | it dont remember seeing it anywhere |
| 07:27.51 | Cairenn | art3mis: we do >< |
| 07:28.02 | art3mis | and its a just a tick box to save as .zip instead of .rar |
| 07:28.14 | Fisker- | if file-extension = .rar = NO U |
| 07:28.52 | art3mis | cairenn: might usggset red flashing letters on a yellow background to get the point across ;P |
| 07:28.57 | art3mis | suggest |
| 07:28.58 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=managing#faq_upload |
| 07:28.58 | Cairenn | 1. You will need to zip (not rar, ace, exe or anything else.) your custom interface files. |
| 07:29.06 | art3mis | its in the forums |
| 07:29.13 | art3mis | not on the upload ap[ge where it really should be |
| 07:29.16 | art3mis | page |
| 07:29.30 | art3mis | ive not set foot in the wowiforums |
| 07:29.40 | dreamss | rar = zip + recovery |
| 07:29.41 | art3mis | forums make me sad |
| 07:29.56 | art3mis | rar == furbie overlord ;P |
| 07:31.13 | Fisker- | collumn = down right? |
| 07:31.49 | Fisker- | RIGHT?! |
| 07:32.11 | Cairenn | what columns, what right? |
| 07:32.30 | Fisker- | if they are those who go down or sideways >P |
| 07:32.31 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:32.35 | Fisker- | you know rows and collums |
| 07:32.39 | Fisker- | collumns* |
| 07:32.45 | Fisker- | one goes sideways the other goes up/down |
| 07:32.51 | Fisker- | can't remember what's what :( |
| 07:32.56 | Cairenn | ah sorry, misread at first |
| 07:33.03 | Cairenn | yes, columns == down |
| 07:33.05 | Fisker- | yay |
| 07:33.10 | Cairenn | rows == sideways |
| 07:35.33 | Fisker- | i doubt they'll implement my suggestions in 2.3 though |
| 07:35.35 | Fisker- | if ever :P |
| 07:35.58 | Fisker- | suggest a per-column or per-2column permissions and withdrawal fees |
| 07:36.05 | Fisker- | that would be awesome in my opinion |
| 07:36.17 | Fisker- | would pretty much automate all guildbank buying/selling we have |
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| 07:51.55 | Shirik | Okay... wow |
| 07:52.04 | Shirik | I love the Cello, but this totally takes it to the next level of awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tN6_1dJveM |
| 07:53.14 | Bejitt | haha wow |
| 07:53.21 | Bejitt | i didnt know they played live |
| 07:54.42 | Cairenn | nice! |
| 07:56.43 | Shirik | Actually I like this better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSujw6K14k&NR=1 |
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| 08:12.51 | Shirik | night everyone |
| 08:13.02 | Cairenn | night Shirik, night all |
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| 08:36.08 | art3mis | real folk blues part 1 on adult swim |
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| 09:03.46 | art3mis | http://www.reallyslick.com/ |
| 09:07.38 | art3mis | hyperspace is really cool to just stare at |
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| 09:47.44 | zenzelezz | I'm disappointed... went around whistling the Lotus Turbo Challenge II soundtrack while in town today, and not a single person seemed to recognize it |
| 09:48.53 | Tierrie | Somehow, I just imagined a ricer recognizing it and then running you over with his Toyota |
| 09:50.55 | art3mis | ricers dont drive toyotas ; |
| 09:51.06 | art3mis | they drive hondas ;P |
| 09:51.22 | art3mis | hrm |
| 09:51.38 | art3mis | fglrx+xgl doesnt support 3d on the 200m chip right? |
| 09:51.45 | art3mis | ati 200m |
| 09:51.53 | art3mis | aka the 1100 xpress |
| 09:52.19 | [melin] | wtf.. I can launch testrealm wow.. :| "cant validate game version" something |
| 09:52.23 | [melin] | cant* |
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| 09:58.27 | dreamss | who sells giftwrap? |
| 09:58.35 | dreamss | horde preferly |
| 09:59.33 | [dRaCo] | orgrimmar, some guy in a building west of saurfang |
| 10:00.18 | [melin] | anyone have a site where I can check the season 3 gear? |
| 10:00.18 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5042 |
| 10:00.32 | [dRaCo] | mmo-champion or worldofraids |
| 10:01.03 | [melin] | thanks |
| 10:02.29 | [melin] | "The min range to shot has been reduced from 8 yards to 4 yards. The "dead zone" is now pretty much removed." - Blizzard confirmed? |
| 10:02.56 | zenzelezz | think so |
| 10:03.35 | zenzelezz | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366566665&postId=23663455017&sid=1#281 |
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| 10:04.55 | [melin] | hmm.. all non-hunters will rage over that :P |
| 10:05.10 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 10:06.05 | [melin] | hunters have always been seen as an overpowered class.. and thats a boost to us - so lots of people will whine that we will be even more overpowered |
| 10:07.38 | nevcairiel | when have hunters been overpowered? |
| 10:08.17 | [melin] | dont ask me :P I am a hunter |
| 10:08.21 | [melin] | maybe in PvE.. |
| 10:08.38 | nevcairiel | in PvE that change doesnt do much |
| 10:08.38 | [melin] | we're the kick-ass grind class :D |
| 10:08.49 | nevcairiel | and in PvP, hunters sucked |
| 10:09.02 | [melin] | one against one - I suck bad.. real bad |
| 10:11.27 | dreamss | looks like all shamans are going elemental |
| 10:11.29 | dreamss | lol |
| 10:12.23 | [melin] | when they designed the Z'A drops.. where they high?? |
| 10:12.36 | dreamss | ? |
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| 10:13.29 | [melin] | the armor looks ridicolous :D |
| 10:13.45 | nevcairiel | its troll armor |
| 10:13.48 | nevcairiel | what did you expect |
| 10:13.49 | art3mis | hunters are overpowered in pvp, mostly because they get pets that do great damage plus all thier stings and other things tend to be annoying for casters |
| 10:14.01 | art3mis | the dead zone was the casters balancer mainly |
| 10:14.29 | art3mis | thats why theres bitching about it |
| 10:14.34 | nevcairiel | i never saw hunters as a big threat in arenas |
| 10:14.43 | [melin] | art3mis well.. our dots are nothing compared to locks.. |
| 10:14.55 | art3mis | the other thing that is a tad irritating, is that thier autoshot doesnt suffer the same "breakage" that spell casting does if melee'd |
| 10:15.05 | [melin] | well.. thats cause arenas arent designed for ranged fights.. |
| 10:15.13 | [melin] | and with our deadzone removed.. |
| 10:15.22 | art3mis | [melin]: true but to be fair priests arent supposed to be as tough as a lock |
| 10:15.35 | [melin] | true |
| 10:15.38 | art3mis | and hunter dots are irritating |
| 10:15.43 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 10:16.01 | dreamss | at least pain supresion has antidispell |
| 10:16.02 | dreamss | heh |
| 10:16.27 | art3mis | i say this mainly in that arrows are the delivery system they have no real magic, yet somehow our pw:shield which absorbs physical damage(except falling cuz thats umm obviously not physical at all) isnt capable of blocking/absorbing hunter arrows |
| 10:16.43 | art3mis | thats my whole bitch against hunters |
| 10:16.47 | [melin] | art3mis some arrows are magic.. like arcane |
| 10:17.10 | art3mis | its still a physical damage hit |
| 10:17.19 | art3mis | if the arrow cant hit yuo it cant dot you |
| 10:17.23 | dreamss | tought the arrows was inbued with arcane magic |
| 10:17.29 | art3mis | (see stings) |
| 10:17.55 | [melin] | dreamss I dunno.. I just shoot the damn things and hope to kill my target before it kills me .P |
| 10:17.57 | art3mis | and autoshot and aimed shot etc |
| 10:18.10 | art3mis | its still an arrow |
| 10:18.26 | art3mis | just because it doesnt deliver hit damage doesnt mean it shouldnt be "shielded" |
| 10:18.43 | art3mis | if my shield can stop a sword from hitting me, im pretty sure it can stop an arrow |
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| 10:20.24 | [melin] | =) |
| 10:21.42 | art3mis | but really thats my only complaint against em |
| 10:21.56 | art3mis | course i also think that all paladins should take bonus shadow damage ;P |
| 10:22.04 | art3mis | while holy damage effects them less |
| 10:22.25 | art3mis | death knights of course would be the reverse |
| 10:23.19 | dreamss | trhen undead take extra holly dmg |
| 10:23.27 | art3mis | nods |
| 10:23.35 | art3mis | technically we're humanoid though not undead |
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| 10:24.04 | dreamss | u died |
| 10:24.15 | [melin] | yep.. you were taken out of the dead state before turning into scourge (undead) |
| 10:24.17 | dreamss | then resurerected |
| 10:24.29 | [melin] | so.. somewhere between living and scourge Id guess |
| 10:24.44 | Nom- | Loving those pvp dailies |
| 10:24.54 | art3mis | actually we were given humanoid and not undead because of pallys destroying us ;P |
| 10:24.57 | cladhaire | Nom-: how do they work? |
| 10:24.59 | Nom- | I'll finally be able to get some good gear for my mage by just pvping once a day for a couple of weeks per item |
| 10:25.01 | dreamss | do they award tokens? |
| 10:25.15 | [melin] | hmm.. disarming shot |
| 10:25.15 | Nom- | cladhaire: So far, all i've seen is "Go win BG X" |
| 10:25.16 | art3mis | pvp dailies? |
| 10:25.26 | cladhaire | what do they give? |
| 10:25.35 | [melin] | survival, disarming shot on warrior, melee for a few seconds, wing clip - repeat |
| 10:25.37 | art3mis | honourhall tokens? |
| 10:25.44 | Nom- | well, the ony I just completed gave me 2100 honor and 3 bg tokens |
| 10:25.52 | art3mis | thats not bad |
| 10:25.55 | dreamss | not bad |
| 10:26.01 | [melin] | dailies in the bg's? |
| 10:26.09 | Nom- | pretty damn good as far as i'm converned |
| 10:26.21 | Nom- | That's about 2 weeks of pvp per character for an item |
| 10:26.32 | Nom- | That's just 1 battleground win |
| 10:26.53 | cladhaire | where do you pick em up? |
| 10:26.59 | Nom- | Horde Warbringer |
| 10:27.07 | Nom- | I assume there's an equivilent for Alliance |
| 10:27.19 | cladhaire | is there someone in shatt? |
| 10:27.27 | Nom- | Yes |
| 10:27.33 | cladhaire | kk |
| 10:27.34 | Nom- | Not sure if they're anywhere else though |
| 10:27.55 | Nom- | This is on the PTR btw |
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| 10:27.59 | Nom- | In case that wasn't clear :) |
| 10:27.59 | cladhaire | oh okay |
| 10:28.00 | cladhaire | lol |
| 10:28.02 | cladhaire | it wasn't |
| 10:28.04 | cladhaire | but thats okayu |
| 10:28.30 | Nom- | It's going to help the casual players soooo much |
| 10:28.50 | [melin] | BAH! I cant launch my PTR.. |
| 10:28.52 | Nom- | Like I can actually gear my mage up |
| 10:28.56 | [melin] | sais it cant validate game version :( |
| 10:29.13 | Nom- | delete and download the patch |
| 10:30.24 | cncfanatics | anyone on PTR ATM ? I need a bug tested |
| 10:30.29 | [melin] | well. I havent played ptr for.. 1-2 months so.. its a buckload of patches =) |
| 10:31.09 | cncfanatics | Nom- are u on ptr atm by any chance ? :p |
| 10:31.09 | Nom- | I am, cncfanatics |
| 10:31.30 | Nom- | [melin]: You have to delete your folder then |
| 10:31.40 | Nom- | [melin]: You have to re-download a new client for each ptr cycle |
| 10:31.49 | [melin] | ah - figures |
| 10:31.57 | cncfanatics | Nom-, can you test to see if a bug occurs for me ? |
| 10:33.54 | Nom- | sure |
| 10:34.29 | cncfanatics | ok, make a macro |
| 10:34.38 | cncfanatics | call it trinket1, use the ? as Icon for it |
| 10:34.44 | cncfanatics | as macro code you use this: #show 13 |
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| 10:35.07 | cncfanatics | shld make a macro with the trinket's Icon |
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| 10:35.45 | cncfanatics | that worked I supose ? Nom- ? |
| 10:36.20 | Nom- | yep works |
| 10:37.11 | cncfanatics | ok, do this |
| 10:37.19 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.29 | cncfanatics | what u get ? |
| 10:40.08 | art3mis | clad!!!!! |
| 10:40.12 | cladhaire | ? |
| 10:40.14 | art3mis | go write yer book |
| 10:40.16 | art3mis | ;) |
| 10:40.24 | cladhaire | uhh i am |
| 10:40.24 | cladhaire | why |
| 10:40.29 | art3mis | you cant send me gifts if its not published and yer rich ;) |
| 10:41.10 | art3mis | well you can |
| 10:41.26 | art3mis | they just wont be as nice, and you'll be eatting ramen forever ;P |
| 10:41.56 | cncfanatics | Nom-, what output u get from that command ? :o |
| 10:42.02 | art3mis | out of curiosity how much do you get off of each book sold? |
| 10:42.10 | art3mis | not that its any of my business |
| 10:42.19 | cladhaire | its part of the contract, i dont recall |
| 10:42.21 | cladhaire | under 15% |
| 10:42.22 | cladhaire | of net |
| 10:42.27 | cladhaire | after the advance is payed off. |
| 10:42.34 | art3mis | thats not too bad |
| 10:42.51 | art3mis | and carries through without renegotiation for revisions ? |
| 10:43.06 | cladhaire | the publisher has all the options, really |
| 10:43.18 | art3mis | same pub for this one? |
| 10:43.21 | cladhaire | yes |
| 10:43.24 | cladhaire | not in a series tho |
| 10:43.26 | cladhaire | standalone tech book |
| 10:43.42 | art3mis | pure lua in all forms or just lua in relation to wow? |
| 10:44.13 | art3mis | god i love objectdock |
| 10:44.25 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 10:44.26 | cladhaire | its not a lua book |
| 10:44.33 | art3mis | i just sit and play with the rolly dock all day.. how do you get any work done on yer mac? |
| 10:44.34 | cladhaire | you're taught enough lua to become familiar and capable of writing addons |
| 10:44.38 | cladhaire | 7 chapters worth |
| 10:44.54 | art3mis | cladhaire: yeah so it's wow weighted, as opposed to lua for the sake of lua |
| 10:45.08 | cladhaire | where necessary i point you to the appropriate Lua/XML resource. |
| 10:45.17 | art3mis | cd included? |
| 10:45.37 | art3mis | that would be handy |
| 10:45.45 | cladhaire | at the moment no |
| 10:45.51 | cladhaire | if we put a CD then it'll be out of date and a waste of money |
| 10:46.05 | art3mis | to a degree |
| 10:46.10 | art3mis | depends what's on it |
| 10:46.25 | cladhaire | well what are ou thinking would be on it? |
| 10:46.39 | art3mis | well use a minicd the 220MB ones |
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| 10:46.43 | bleeter | pron |
| 10:46.48 | cladhaire | and what goes on it? |
| 10:46.50 | cncfanatics | would still be outdated after the next major patch |
| 10:46.54 | art3mis | on it have yer resource links, only grouped better than the wiki does |
| 10:46.56 | cncfanatics | if you want any ressources host em online |
| 10:47.23 | art3mis | thats my biggest hatred of wikis |
| 10:47.26 | cladhaire | they will be online |
| 10:47.28 | cladhaire | wowprogramming.com |
| 10:47.29 | Thrae | If you have code samples on your book's website, then that's fine -- lots of authors nowadays are updating their books and samples online |
| 10:47.33 | cladhaire | will be filled when the book is finished. |
| 10:47.33 | art3mis | if you dont know what yer looking for they're kind of useless |
| 10:48.09 | art3mis | mainly as a runnable offline version with better explanation(from the book) with live links to updates |
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| 10:48.31 | cladhaire | there is no "runnable". |
| 10:48.35 | cladhaire | there are addons |
| 10:48.38 | art3mis | you know what i mean |
| 10:48.40 | cladhaire | the code for all addons are available |
| 10:48.45 | cladhaire | the examples for each chapter are available |
| 10:49.31 | art3mis | im talking about the API stuff , not examples |
| 10:49.35 | art3mis | no addons |
| 10:49.39 | cladhaire | hell no |
| 10:49.43 | art3mis | like say yer dealing with unit frames |
| 10:50.07 | cladhaire | thats easy then, absolutely not. |
| 10:50.08 | art3mis | you've got a better description and such to browse through on the cd, with an "updated online" link |
| 10:50.18 | cladhaire | no, thats why you buy the book |
| 10:50.19 | art3mis | oh |
| 10:50.22 | cladhaire | for the paper reference |
| 10:50.32 | cladhaire | if you want the online reference, you use that |
| 10:50.42 | art3mis | wiki's suck crap |
| 10:50.47 | cladhaire | i didn't say it was a damn wiki |
| 10:50.48 | art3mis | shrug |
| 10:50.53 | cladhaire | i said it was online. |
| 10:51.09 | zenzelezz | these are sad times when people assume that everything will be a wiki |
| 10:51.14 | cladhaire | well fuck that |
| 10:51.16 | cladhaire | even if it is |
| 10:51.17 | cladhaire | who cares |
| 10:51.18 | cladhaire | the info is there |
| 10:51.22 | cladhaire | its ALL thats on the site |
| 10:51.24 | art3mis | zenzelezz: its a fair assumption with the proliferation of those accursed things |
| 10:51.26 | cladhaire | and its our job to make it easy to find. |
| 10:51.28 | cncfanatics | whats wrong with wikis if they're well maintained ? |
| 10:51.47 | art3mis | cncfanatics: wikis in most cases assume you know what you're looking for |
| 10:51.57 | zenzelezz | art3mis: I disagree, there's still tons of big resources that aren't in anything even wiki-like |
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| 10:52.26 | cladhaire | that's an extremely broad generalization |
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| 10:55.40 | cncfanatics | art3mis, a wiki is what u make it |
| 10:55.48 | cncfanatics | its the author that suposes you know what you're looking for |
| 10:55.59 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 10:56.04 | cladhaire | we can't put the info on wowwiki |
| 10:56.05 | cladhaire | for lots of reasons |
| 10:56.13 | cladhaire | so it'll be a focused, comprehensive companion site to the book |
| 10:56.15 | cladhaire | like you'd expect |
| 10:56.40 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, only accessible if you bought the book I supose ? |
| 10:56.55 | cladhaire | actually no, |
| 10:57.06 | cladhaire | the reference will be available online |
| 10:57.12 | cladhaire | just not in electronic printable format |
| 10:57.15 | cladhaire | for obvious reasons |
| 10:57.19 | zenzelezz | that's pretty cool |
| 10:57.21 | cladhaire | it'll still be copyright the publisher |
| 10:57.30 | cladhaire | but we'll keep it up to date |
| 10:57.32 | cncfanatics | thats very generous, but might reduce sales ? |
| 10:57.48 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: Not absolutely everything will be online |
| 10:57.49 | zenzelezz | don't think so; not by a lot anyhow |
| 10:57.51 | art3mis | not really |
| 10:57.56 | cladhaire | otherwise some asshat will wholesale rip it to wowwiki |
| 10:58.08 | art3mis | if its avail online people will be less likely to bother ripping the book to pdf releases |
| 10:58.23 | art3mis | since its mostly avail there in electronic format |
| 10:58.32 | cncfanatics | pdf releases of books are evil |
| 10:58.39 | art3mis | to a degree yes |
| 10:58.42 | cladhaire | not realizing that wowwiki is a.) owned by a company b.) licenses the material to other companies and c.) the license allows ANYONE to wholesale rip the wiki, put it in a book and make money off of it. |
| 10:58.55 | cladhaire | for example, the examples in each chapter |
| 10:58.58 | cladhaire | the code will be available online |
| 10:59.09 | cladhaire | the walkthrough and description of how its built and put together is only available in the text |
| 10:59.16 | cladhaire | so people can use and download the addons, or try to learn on their own |
| 10:59.31 | cladhaire | and people who own the book will have an electronic copy to download so they don't have to type it in. |
| 10:59.34 | cladhaire | the API reference will for the most part be available online |
| 10:59.48 | art3mis | pdf releases of programming books are evil.. for fiction and such in most cases its a secondary format the person has for when pda is handier than carrying around a hardcover |
| 10:59.57 | cladhaire | the extensive examples for each and every function, showing how they can be used, will be available only in th ebook |
| 10:59.58 | cladhaire | etc. |
| 11:01.14 | cncfanatics | I think you're publishers copyright arm is gonna have to get wowwiki pretty hard :p |
| 11:02.08 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 11:02.24 | cladhaire | but that's their job |
| 11:02.37 | cladhaire | i mean the parameter list can't be copyright |
| 11:02.45 | art3mis | cladhaire: see the electronic copy is what i was talking about on a mini cd. save the BW(as little as it may be) and include links to the online version so that updates online can be done and are availabale |
| 11:04.01 | cladhaire | its just a bad idea |
| 11:04.03 | cladhaire | from a cost-perspective |
| 11:04.07 | cladhaire | from people using it |
| 11:04.20 | cncfanatics | hmm though cladhaire |
| 11:04.20 | cncfanatics | someone could take ur book |
| 11:04.20 | cncfanatics | and put the whole reference on wowwiki as long as they reword everything ? |
| 11:04.29 | art3mis | how so? |
| 11:04.44 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: not really, that's not how copyright works |
| 11:04.50 | cladhaire | art3mis: It costs money to print and include the cds |
| 11:04.56 | cladhaire | no one will use them because it will be out of date |
| 11:04.58 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, well, I have no idea of how copyrights work :p so I'm asking :p |
| 11:05.03 | art3mis | cd printing used to be expensive.. but its not really, plus you make it back in the price of the book plus you save BW costs |
| 11:05.19 | cladhaire | its not going to happen |
| 11:05.26 | cladhaire | we already decided against it, with good reason. |
| 11:07.40 | cladhaire | the online reference, for one |
| 11:07.46 | cladhaire | won't be complete by the time the cds would need to be mastered. |
| 11:09.15 | art3mis | heh i just thought of a funny side thing |
| 11:09.32 | art3mis | use the reserrection scroll codes to give yourself free months ;P |
| 11:09.38 | art3mis | err "trial" |
| 11:09.39 | art3mis | heh |
| 11:10.00 | art3mis | that would be kind of amusing |
| 11:10.06 | dreamss | then get a free month? |
| 11:10.09 | dreamss | ccause u paid |
| 11:10.10 | art3mis | yeah |
| 11:10.41 | art3mis | people buy book, start playing wow(that didnt) upgrade and buy it, clad gets free month ;P |
| 11:10.54 | art3mis | it would be a low hit but a months a month |
| 11:11.13 | art3mis | well even distro clad kael and whoever |
| 11:12.07 | cladhaire | i'm done with all my chapters :P |
| 11:12.09 | cladhaire | well |
| 11:12.10 | cladhaire | that's a lie |
| 11:12.13 | cladhaire | i have to write chapter 1 |
| 11:12.29 | art3mis | did you include cartoons? |
| 11:12.56 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:12.59 | art3mis | you should just include random xkcd comics ;P |
| 11:12.59 | cladhaire | i have to finish the appendices |
| 11:13.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 11:13.13 | art3mis | the raptor one springs to mind |
| 11:13.59 | clad|away | grabbing lunch, be back in a bit. |
| 11:14.21 | art3mis | http://www.xkcd.com/330/ |
| 11:14.52 | clad|away | hehe |
| 11:14.54 | clad|away | love that one |
| 11:15.28 | art3mis | http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF231-Baby.jpg#214 |
| 11:15.32 | art3mis | thats awesome |
| 11:16.16 | art3mis | http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF233-Psychoanalyst.jpg#216 |
| 11:16.29 | clad|away | pbf started at syracuse, imo |
| 11:16.44 | art3mis | im pretty sure xkcd is in new york |
| 11:16.56 | art3mis | i need to find his house and get a raptor for helloween |
| 11:18.22 | art3mis | when i lived in vancouver my isp was userfriendly |
| 11:18.26 | art3mis | they ruled |
| 11:18.36 | art3mis | 1.5mb dsl no limits |
| 11:18.48 | art3mis | averaged 200GB down 120GB up a month ;P |
| 11:18.53 | art3mis | never got an AUP call |
| 11:19.15 | art3mis | only had 1 day downtime too when they did a hardware upgrade on the whole place |
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| 11:37.15 | clad|away | well then |
| 11:37.19 | clad|away | i'm over my quota on googlecode =( |
| 11:37.21 | clad|away | fuck all |
| 11:38.11 | zenzelezz | quota? |
| 11:38.21 | Maldivia | cladhaire, can I get you to post on the US forums for me ? |
| 11:38.38 | clad|away | if you leave me a PM, yes. |
| 11:38.56 | cncfanatics | can I get anyone to test something on the PTR for me ? takes 2 minutes or so (must have at least 2 trinkets though) |
| 11:39.34 | foxlit | Maybe. |
| 11:39.43 | foxlit | Turns out I'm behind on a 30mb patch, though |
| 11:40.39 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: why dont you get on the ptr ? :P |
| 11:40.45 | cncfanatics | can't copy my char |
| 11:40.53 | cncfanatics | and I need a char with 2 trinkets at least, so a new one won't do |
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| 11:44.22 | Maldivia | cnc: I'll log on, just a sec |
| 11:44.48 | Maldivia | cncfanatics: what do you want me to test? |
| 11:47.32 | cncfanatics | Maldivia, make a macro , call it trinket1, put #show 13 in it, as Icon you choose the ? |
| 11:47.54 | cncfanatics | then do /dump GetMacroInfo("trinket1"); |
| 11:47.57 | cncfanatics | and tell me the output please |
| 11:49.25 | Maldivia | "trinket1", "blah icon path", "#show 13\n/use...", |
| 11:50.05 | cncfanatics | ok, now change the trinket |
| 11:50.10 | cncfanatics | to one with another icon |
| 11:50.16 | Maldivia | where icon path, is the parth to the trinket-icon |
| 11:50.16 | cncfanatics | and do that dump again |
| 11:50.31 | cncfanatics | the icon path should stay to the old one if its bugged like in live |
| 11:50.52 | Maldivia | now I have Ability_BackStab as icon :) |
| 11:51.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:51.32 | Maldivia | icon path changes, when I select another icon |
| 11:51.36 | cncfanatics | no no |
| 11:51.41 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 11:51.41 | cncfanatics | keep the ? as Icon |
| 11:51.44 | Maldivia | change trinket |
| 11:51.45 | cncfanatics | but change the trinket |
| 11:51.47 | Maldivia | misread :) |
| 11:51.47 | cncfanatics | ya |
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| 11:52.05 | Maldivia | icon path changes when I swap trinkets |
| 11:52.36 | cncfanatics | doesn't on live, seems they fixed it then |
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| 11:53.47 | zenzelezz | you sure it doesn't work on live? |
| 11:54.12 | cncfanatics | zenzelezz, try it out, 100% sure |
| 11:54.21 | cncfanatics | it always stays to the icon of the first equipped trinket |
| 11:54.38 | zenzelezz | change as in swap around the two I have? |
| 11:54.42 | Maldivia | uhh, they fixed the staturbar text on dead mobs :) |
| 11:55.01 | foxlit | cncfanatics: It works on live. |
| 11:55.09 | zenzelezz | I'm seeing the same as foxlit |
| 11:55.10 | cncfanatics | foxlit, no it doesn't, except if u did something weird |
| 11:55.19 | foxlit | Or, rather, I can't reproduce your bug on live. |
| 11:55.30 | cncfanatics | (and I don't mean the Icon on the actionbars, but the actual output from GetMacroInfo) |
| 11:55.31 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 11:55.36 | zenzelezz | for me the icon changes, and the reported path changes |
| 11:55.36 | cncfanatics | the icon on actionbars is correct |
| 11:55.37 | sag_ich_nicht | hemo debuff increased to 36? |
| 11:55.58 | cncfanatics | doesn't for me |
| 11:56.01 | cncfanatics | I even screenshotted it |
| 11:56.11 | cncfanatics | http://cncfanatic.free.fr/macrobug.png |
| 11:56.11 | zenzelezz | Interface\\Icons\\INV_Battery_02 -> swap 13 <-> 14 -> Interface\\Icons\\INV_Misc_ArmorKit_10 |
| 11:56.13 | cncfanatics | compare the textures |
| 11:56.17 | cncfanatics | of the macros |
| 11:56.21 | cncfanatics | and of the equipped trinkets |
| 11:56.38 | sag_ich_nicht | wooo |
| 11:56.47 | sag_ich_nicht | field repair bot 110G is now 5 charges |
| 11:56.52 | foxlit | I know why that happens, but that's not really a bug :) |
| 11:57.01 | foxlit | Close the macro frame. |
| 11:57.14 | cncfanatics | won't update when I reopen |
| 11:57.20 | Maldivia | hmm... just recieved 2 repices from Greatfather Winter on the PTR :) |
| 11:57.29 | nevcairiel | boo i only got one |
| 11:57.32 | cncfanatics | and /dump GetMacroInfo("trinket1"); gives the wrong texture path |
| 11:57.32 | zenzelezz | don't even have to close the macro window, just click a different macro |
| 11:57.37 | zenzelezz | cncfanatics: no, not for me |
| 11:57.45 | foxlit | Short version: GetMacroInfo() always returns the correct texture for me, macro window needs a refresh |
| 11:58.33 | zenzelezz | macro window only updates the icon in the list when you change the selected macro |
| 11:58.52 | cncfanatics | ok hmmmm |
| 11:58.59 | cncfanatics | when I change the selected macro a few times the texture indeed updates |
| 11:59.07 | cncfanatics | but GetMacroInfo is also wrong till I change the selected macro |
| 12:00.58 | nevcairiel | try doing it with the macroframe not open |
| 12:01.36 | cncfanatics | doesn't update right away either, if I change trinkets and dump right after its buggy |
| 12:02.15 | foxlit | Giving it a second for the server to acknowledge the swap? |
| 12:02.51 | cncfanatics | I change trinkets, then type the code manualy to dump it, should be plenty of time for the server to do that |
| 12:03.37 | zenzelezz | for me it switches within a second, but you're right that it doesn't while I have the macro window open |
| 12:04.18 | foxlit | Mine updates GetMacroInfo even if the macro window is open, it just doesn't resync icons in it |
| 12:04.31 | cncfanatics | seems everyone gets slightly different behaviour heh |
| 12:05.05 | foxlit | Things shouldn't work like that. |
| 12:05.05 | zenzelezz | I'd test more but I'm doing dailies and can't swap in combat :-p |
| 12:06.31 | cncfanatics | for me, even though my first trinket slot is empty atm its showing the icon of cold basilisk eye |
| 12:09.16 | foxlit | Now, that does occur. |
| 12:09.42 | cncfanatics | ah good, seems i'm not crazy yet |
| 12:11.00 | foxlit | It gets better |
| 12:11.09 | foxlit | It doesn't sync the item if the macro is not placed on your actionbar |
| 12:11.45 | cncfanatics | finaly, we found the bug then |
| 12:12.01 | cncfanatics | flexbar doesn't use actionid's, so the macro is never on ur actionbar if you use flexbar, so its permanently bugged |
| 12:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | w00t |
| 12:12.13 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.3 has a taintlog? |
| 12:12.16 | sag_ich_nicht | epic win |
| 12:12.16 | cncfanatics | (which is why I noticed it way easyer then you) |
| 12:12.50 | foxlit | Bug against flexbar! How dare it not use actionids! |
| 12:12.53 | cncfanatics | could anyone on the PTR try that while the macro is not on his actionbar ? |
| 12:12.54 | foxlit | :) |
| 12:13.08 | cncfanatics | foxlit, <3 for finding that out |
| 12:13.16 | cncfanatics | just need to test that on PTR and report it if the same happens |
| 12:14.05 | cncfanatics | Maldivia, still around ? |
| 12:16.13 | sag_ich_nicht | someone please tell slouken that i want to send him cookies for adding a taintlog: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518903044&sid=1 |
| 12:17.07 | nevcairiel | you noticed that now? man you're slow :P |
| 12:17.07 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 12:18.10 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i've been bitching about wanting one since like forever :( |
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| 12:19.11 | cncfanatic1 | damn disconnects |
| 12:19.19 | cncfanatic1 | so, anyone on PTR atm for some more testing ? |
| 12:21.14 | foxlit | I have an up-to-date client and a char, and I can even connect, but I have no devtools in my PTR addons directory, and I'm too lazy to fix _that_ :) |
| 12:22.49 | cncfanatic1 | does it matter for testing the bug I gave ya ? :p |
| 12:23.40 | foxlit | Yes, since you want to check if GetMacroInfo works correctly. |
| 12:23.48 | foxlit | Encapsulate it in an addon or something |
| 12:23.50 | cncfanatic1 | copy it over plx ? :p |
| 12:26.51 | Maldivia | cncfanatics: now I am, if you still need? |
| 12:27.15 | cncfanatic1 | yea Maldivia |
| 12:27.18 | cncfanatic1 | we tracked the bug some more |
| 12:27.24 | cncfanatic1 | only happens when the macro is not on ur actionbar |
| 12:27.40 | cncfanatic1 | could you try it out while its not on ur actionbar and while the macro UI is not open ? |
| 12:28.12 | Maldivia | so /macro, create macro, close macro frame, /dump, swap trinkets, dump ? |
| 12:28.23 | zenzelezz | FFS, I'm getting sick of how disrespectful people are on the Ogri'la plateau... intentionally trying to pull fel flak fire on you, trying to ninja your demon kills, ... |
| 12:28.26 | cncfanatic1 | ya Maldivia |
| 12:28.46 | cncfanatic1 | and make sure the macro is NOWHERE on ur actionbars |
| 12:28.59 | cncfanatic1 | cuz it'll work for sure if it is :p |
| 12:29.38 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: call your guild up and kill them all. |
| 12:29.42 | sag_ich_nicht | unless they are your side |
| 12:29.42 | Maldivia | correct, not updating when not on actionbar |
| 12:29.43 | sag_ich_nicht | in which case |
| 12:29.50 | sag_ich_nicht | grief them. |
| 12:29.51 | cncfanatic1 | Maldivia, good, are you US also by chance ? |
| 12:30.06 | cncfanatic1 | need to report that one to slouken |
| 12:30.08 | zenzelezz | I don't grief, no matter what |
| 12:30.18 | Maldivia | no longer on US :| |
| 12:30.26 | Maldivia | doesn't matter if macro frame is open or not |
| 12:31.36 | cncfanatic1 | ok, someone, report "GetMacroInfo doesn't update correctly when a macro is not on the actionbars, easyest way to reproduce it is make a macro with #show 13, find out what texture GetMacroInfo returns, change trinkets, and then get the texture again, it will still be the old one instead of the texture of the new trinket" |
| 12:32.37 | Maldivia | foxlit: can still test rather easily, even without /dump: /run message(select(2, GetMacroInfo("trinket1"))) |
| 12:32.53 | foxlit | Too lazy! :) |
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| 12:42.26 | [melin] | those brooms.. do they vanish after used or? =) |
| 12:43.06 | cncfanatic1 | they don't, wrong tooltip |
| 12:43.10 | cncfanatic1 | they vanish in 2 weeks |
| 12:43.10 | foxlit | No, at the end of the 14 day timer |
| 12:43.12 | cncfanatic1 | when halloween is over |
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| 12:43.42 | [melin] | ah |
| 12:47.50 | dreamss | they vanish 14 days from first use |
| 12:47.56 | dreamss | or 14 from droped |
| 12:47.56 | foxlit | Is there a mechanic that lets me determine if I can swap gear in a specific slot (the new no-swapping-in-arenas)? |
| 12:50.13 | [melin] | you can swap weapons during combat.. not armor.. |
| 12:52.25 | foxlit | [Melin]: that's not quite what I was asking. |
| 12:52.35 | foxlit | There are situations where you can't swap armor even if out of combat. |
| 12:55.04 | [melin] | hmm.. never noticed =) |
| 12:59.32 | cncfanatic1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518013654&sid=1 <--- fix plx |
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| 12:59.52 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 13:00.19 | foxlit | shouldn't GetMacroInfo get a parameter? |
| 13:00.28 | cncfanatics | hmmm, yea ups, the macro name |
| 13:01.31 | cncfanatics | foxlit, thanks for the help tracking that down |
| 13:02.26 | cncfanatics | foxlit, post edited btw :) |
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| 14:33.38 | Cidan | lol@windows 98 install |
| 14:33.41 | Cidan | man it's been a long time |
| 14:34.57 | zenzelezz | looks so primitive, doesn't it? |
| 14:35.43 | Cidan | it really does |
| 14:36.11 | Cidan | "You seem to have a hard disk larger than 512 megabytes, would you like to enable large disk support?" |
| 14:36.14 | Cidan | lol? |
| 14:37.10 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:39.04 | Cidan | man |
| 14:39.09 | Cidan | takes up a whole 312 megabytes |
| 14:39.14 | Cidan | lol |
| 14:39.20 | Cidan | now Vista takes what, 20 gigs? |
| 14:39.23 | Cidan | What bloat |
| 14:40.35 | Neebler | they should adopt the modular philosphy like ckknight :P |
| 14:40.44 | Cidan | I do hope you're kidding. |
| 14:40.47 | Cidan | I really do. |
| 14:40.52 | foxlit | Vista doesn't really take up 20 gigs :) |
| 14:40.59 | Cidan | Like, I do hope you are a troll, Neebler |
| 14:41.17 | Neebler | I wasn't aware I could roll that race... I'm a gnome |
| 14:41.27 | Cidan | haha, oh wow. |
| 14:52.55 | Tem | Cidan, giggle |
| 14:53.30 | Cidan | Tem: :D |
| 14:53.51 | Tem | I think the response you were looking for was "oh lawd" |
| 14:54.05 | Cidan | is that sum troll? |
| 14:55.08 | Tem | CAN HAS STDIO? |
| 14:55.34 | Tem | VISIBLE "BAI!" |
| 14:55.38 | Fisker- | NO |
| 14:55.41 | Fisker- | CANT HAS STDIO |
| 14:55.43 | Tem | KTHXBYE |
| 14:56.01 | Fisker- | O NOES |
| 14:56.04 | Fisker- | INVISBLE ERROR |
| 14:56.12 | Fisker- | or something like that |
| 14:56.12 | Tem | (and by that I mean, I need to move my machine downstairs for my group meeting |
| 14:56.23 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.34 | Cidan | I really wish Alone in the Dark would work... |
| 15:00.36 | Cidan | grrr |
| 15:03.26 | foxlit | "ow, obviously, the rings and helm that the Horseman drops are hardly the Arena weapons that Blizzard had to put behind a rating. Though they are Epic, they're not that amazing-- one trip through Karazhan could probably replace all of them." |
| 15:03.39 | foxlit | Is WoWInsider being clueless again? :) |
| 15:06.10 | Maldivia | you sounds as if you're surprised... |
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| 15:10.57 | Cidan | Man, Alone in the Dark > Resident Evil |
| 15:11.13 | Cidan | I like how they totally ripped Alone in the Dark off |
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| 15:25.45 | Industrial | win list |
| 15:25.47 | Industrial | er |
| 15:26.41 | cncfanatics | Cidan, think they'll manage to fix this by 2.3 going live ? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518013654&sid=1 |
| 15:27.04 | cncfanatics | foxlit, aren't the HH drops quite amazing ? |
| 15:27.33 | foxlit | I wouldn't go as far as to say they're amazing. They're just better than Kara, imo. |
| 15:27.43 | Cidan | hmm |
| 15:27.44 | Cidan | not sure |
| 15:27.46 | Cidan | it's not critical |
| 15:27.49 | Cidan | it might be |
| 15:29.14 | Wobin | so |
| 15:29.14 | cncfanatics | I hope it is, its fucking fb over :'( |
| 15:29.25 | Wobin | any hemo knowledable rogues about? |
| 15:30.35 | foxlit | GetItemInfo(GetInventoryItemLink("player", slot)) |
| 15:30.58 | foxlit | performance-wise, vs :match("%[([^%]]+)%]"); -- opinions? |
| 15:31.31 | foxlit | (just want the item name) |
| 15:32.33 | nevcairiel | hm, no idea how fast the api is |
| 15:34.14 | cncfanatics | the api is a C func, so it should logicaly be faster, even if it just matches itself |
| 15:34.46 | foxlit | :match() is a c func, tbh |
| 15:35.04 | cncfanatics | true too :p |
| 15:35.58 | MentalPower | :match() would be faster |
| 15:36.18 | MentalPower | GetItemInfo has to do a cache lookup and decode all that item's info and finally return it |
| 15:40.07 | foxlit | And the winner is :match(), by a factor of 2 |
| 15:41.22 | Fisker- | oh hi cncfanatics |
| 15:41.28 | cncfanatics | yes Fisker- ? |
| 15:41.38 | Fisker- | i just oh hied you |
| 15:41.44 | cncfanatics | oh hi Fisker- |
| 15:41.48 | Fisker- | nothing major but enough to ruin your day |
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| 15:43.49 | cncfanatics | thats far from enough to ruin my day Fisker- xD |
| 15:43.57 | cncfanatics | there are actualy only very few things that'd be able to do that |
| 15:44.32 | foxlit | Fiskertroll is getting out of practice :P |
| 15:44.56 | cncfanatics | he's not one of the select people that can ruin my day :) |
| 15:45.18 | Fisker- | but i have this claims service center |
| 15:45.23 | Lunessa | Fiskertroll is trolling? |
| 15:45.31 | Fisker- | where you drive in, sign a couple of forms and drive out again in a rental |
| 15:48.45 | cncfanatics | ~fail Fisker- |
| 15:48.46 | purl | Fisker-: Fail. |
| 16:02.22 | Wobin | when's 2.3 out? |
| 16:02.31 | Wobin | expected, anwya |
| 16:02.52 | foxlit | I give it four weeks. |
| 16:02.55 | foxlit | Mwhahaha. |
| 16:05.14 | Cidan | I give it about that long |
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| 16:11.37 | Cidan | mmm, quake wars linux demo |
| 16:11.41 | Cidan | game ran like ass in Windows |
| 16:11.46 | Cidan | Let's try it here! |
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| 16:14.32 | foxlit | Anyone knows what happened to the notion of letting people use buff names in GetPlayerBuff* calls? |
| 16:14.50 | foxlit | It seems to work for some functions, but not others |
| 16:18.33 | cncfanatics | check the UI suggestions thread |
| 16:18.40 | cncfanatics | if said func is not on there already, post it |
| 16:20.45 | foxlit | Thing is, support for some of them has been added ages ago |
| 16:20.55 | foxlit | And I couldn't post anything anyway. |
| 16:23.40 | Cidan | wow, ETQW works well in linux |
| 16:23.43 | Cidan | shame the game it self sucks. |
| 16:24.44 | cncfanatics | I wonder if wine will ever manage to fully support all games :p |
| 16:24.51 | cncfanatics | giev working c&c3 & thief3 |
| 16:24.58 | Cidan | mm |
| 16:25.04 | Cidan | I'd love it if T3 works |
| 16:25.22 | Cidan | ETQW has linux binaries though |
| 16:29.00 | Cidan | really waiting for a UT3 demo |
| 16:29.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | unf |
| 16:29.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | TF2 is so fun |
| 16:29.20 | Cidan | yep |
| 16:29.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | playing a medic is actually enjoyable |
| 16:29.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | WoW should take some ideas from it to make healing fun :D |
| 16:29.52 | Garoun|Loupana | well I'll be, slouken got the swift shift stuff tied to the defualt shifting bar for druids |
| 16:30.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 16:30.17 | cncfanatics | Garoun|Loupana, just change that ? easy enough |
| 16:30.19 | Garoun|Loupana | so you don't need the cancelform macro unless you want to do potions |
| 16:30.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | now only if he can get the bar to work with doubletaps Garoun|Loupana |
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| 16:30.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i.e. i hit bear twice from cat form and shift out of cat and into bear |
| 16:31.05 | Garoun|Loupana | you don't have to hit twice anymore |
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| 16:31.17 | Garoun|Loupana | if you click bear from cat using default bar it goes straight to bear |
| 16:31.33 | Garoun|Loupana | one click |
| 16:31.44 | Garoun|Loupana | it's in the new build they pushed out last night |
| 16:31.53 | Shirik | just like dismounting -> casting a spell |
| 16:31.55 | Shirik | only one click now |
| 16:32.24 | Garoun|Loupana | actually the shift from form to form works on the default bar, but you can't do bear bear on default |
| 16:32.27 | Garoun|Loupana | but why would you |
| 16:32.44 | Garoun|Loupana | only reason you'd do bear to bear is if you were popping a potion ;0 |
| 16:32.49 | Garoun|Loupana | :) even |
| 16:33.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Garoun|Loupana> if you click bear from cat using default bar it goes straight to bear |
| 16:33.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Garoun|Loupana> one click |
| 16:33.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | this made me happy in the pants |
| 16:33.38 | Garoun|Loupana | yep |
| 16:33.50 | Garoun|Loupana | if you are in bear and hit bear again it goes caster |
| 16:33.56 | Shirik | you can do it on any bar if it's coded right :) |
| 16:34.07 | Shirik | don't use attribute spell |
| 16:34.12 | Shirik | I forget what it's called... form maybe? |
| 16:34.20 | Garoun|Loupana | shapeshift |
| 16:34.25 | Cidan | coded right? |
| 16:34.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:34.29 | Cidan | is there a coded left? |
| 16:34.35 | Shirik | coded CORRECTLY happy? |
| 16:34.41 | Cidan | Yes. |
| 16:34.42 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:34.48 | Garoun|Loupana | well he didn't code form to same form because then you couldn't go caster ;p using the default bar |
| 16:34.50 | Shirik | s/CORRECTLY/CORRECTLY,/ |
| 16:34.57 | Cidan | rofl |
| 16:35.19 | foxlit | Shirik: I don't think you're correct. |
| 16:35.36 | foxlit | Casting Bear Form while in Bear Form would likely cancel the effect :) |
| 16:35.46 | Shirik | oh that's not what I'm talking about |
| 16:35.46 | foxlit | Even if you do /cast Bear Form(); |
| 16:35.53 | Garoun|Loupana | granted there are going to be alot of druids going oom due to the change until they get use to it ;) |
| 16:35.59 | Garoun|Loupana | not in a macro fox |
| 16:36.02 | foxlit | "don't use attribute spell" |
| 16:36.04 | Shirik | I'm talking about something like cat->bear |
| 16:36.05 | Garoun|Loupana | only default bar |
| 16:36.31 | foxlit | Garoun|Loupana: /cast and cast attribute are virtually identical. |
| 16:36.31 | Garoun|Loupana | i hae amacro for /cancelform /use potion /use healthstone /cast dire bear form() |
| 16:36.36 | Garoun|Loupana | works great |
| 16:36.54 | Shirik | in fact, I have a feeling that hitting bear form while in bear form, using the shapeshift attribute WON'T cancel it. But I would need to test this |
| 16:36.56 | Garoun|Loupana | i'm not visibly in cast at all |
| 16:37.05 | foxlit | Until you something hits you for 32k in caster form while the server thought about shifting you back into bear :) |
| 16:37.10 | Garoun|Loupana | I just did and told you how i tworks ;) |
| 16:37.52 | Shirik | grr, I have a presentation on tuesday and I haven't prepared for it at all |
| 16:38.18 | Garoun|Loupana | they literally happen in about the same millisec now |
| 16:38.36 | Shirik | ie, the server doesn't wait for a response |
| 16:38.39 | Garoun|Loupana | now you can't go bear to bear to bear... it'll lag out |
| 16:38.48 | Garoun|Loupana | andyou'll be stuck in caster ;P |
| 16:39.36 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm whats the strftime string to do hr/min/sec/mill/ |
| 16:39.42 | Garoun|Loupana | i'll do i tright now with prat ;) |
| 16:39.55 | foxlit | I still wouldn't be convinced. |
| 16:40.15 | foxlit | You'd need to prove that your macro processing is atomic server-side, and I don't think you can do that without being Blizzard. |
| 16:41.17 | Garoun|Loupana | there is always going to be a very slight chance of taking a hit, but the caster to form is now done in the same time frame |
| 16:41.21 | foxlit | (and combat log has a time dimension of its own -- heals land, people die, more heals land) |
| 16:41.39 | Shirik | as far as I'm aware, there is no millisecond timing in strftime... |
| 16:41.47 | Shirik | but I'm basing this off PHP |
| 16:42.00 | Shirik | and this is logical since it's based off the UNIX timestamp |
| 16:42.28 | Garoun|Loupana | either way fox, there is going to be alot of people bitching about it ;P when they see a druid using a potion without visibly going caster |
| 16:43.28 | Shirik | Cidan! Where did you go! |
| 16:47.22 | Cidan | ? |
| 16:47.25 | Cidan | what? |
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| 17:00.23 | Lunessa | Change is the only true constant in the universe. in 8 months, not one player will care that druids can shift more quickly. |
| 17:02.41 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant would like a word with you about that statement! |
| 17:02.50 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm does the new guild bank require an initial buy in or is it given atomatically or a new guild? |
| 17:03.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1g i think |
| 17:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure though |
| 17:03.26 | Esamynn | lets go create a guild and find out! ;) |
| 17:03.42 | Garoun|Loupana | every mule is probably going to have it's own guild after 2.3 hehe |
| 17:03.53 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:04.15 | Lunessa | Kaso: :P |
| 17:04.41 | Esamynn | who's with me, lets create a test guild! |
| 17:04.42 | Garoun|Loupana | we've got most of our raiders copied over, but haven't all been on to get the charter done ;) but that'll be remediedtonight since we are doing ZA |
| 17:05.10 | Esamynn | ok, that's sweet |
| 17:05.30 | Garoun|Loupana | since it's only about an hour wait now |
| 17:05.37 | Esamynn | oh, nm |
| 17:05.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | Esamynn, which server/faction? |
| 17:05.51 | Esamynn | alliance, either server |
| 17:05.54 | Garoun|Loupana | somepeople hae copied in 15min or less ;) |
| 17:06.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm up for it, alliance pvp? |
| 17:06.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme dl the update |
| 17:07.25 | Wobin | Hehe |
| 17:07.34 | Wobin | We have a guild named First Bank of Stormwind |
| 17:07.43 | Wobin | I bet we'll be getting Second Bank of Stormwind |
| 17:07.46 | Wobin | Third Bank.. |
| 17:07.49 | Wobin | Fourth Bank... |
| 17:07.57 | Garoun|Loupana | so answer the burning question wobin ;P |
| 17:08.03 | zenzelezz | parody guilds are always around |
| 17:08.07 | Garoun|Loupana | how much did it cost :) |
| 17:08.23 | Wobin | Well, I say "We" as in "Our Server" |
| 17:08.26 | zenzelezz | on my server the (generally considered) top PvE guild is called Inner Sanctum... and they have a parody guild called Dinner Sanctum |
| 17:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have an alt guild named darth and texas |
| 17:08.58 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 17:09.04 | Garoun|Loupana | would hae been better named public orgy imo... but that's just me |
| 17:09.25 | Lunessa | I've considered making a guild called <Dry Wit> |
| 17:09.52 | foxlit | Hrm, so I'm rewriting my swap-trinkets-based-on-cooldowns addon |
| 17:09.53 | zenzelezz | there's also a guild called Celtic Leaf Army... I always wanted to make one called Celtic Loaf Army |
| 17:10.20 | foxlit | Feels weird to be throwing away more code than I'm adding; adds a certain element of doubt in whether the algorithm I'm implementing is sound |
| 17:10.43 | zenzelezz | just means you've become more 1337 since you wrote that code |
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| 17:17.44 | foxlit | Hm, I did miss out a feature |
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| 17:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | Esamynn: ping |
| 17:21.11 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: pong |
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| 17:23.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | whats your name on pvp ptr? |
| 17:24.08 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: i'll need to login there |
| 17:24.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently flight form has its own stance bar now |
| 17:24.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_2 |
| 17:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 17:24.58 | Omni_ | Could someone tell me if there's another way to get info about a player other than SendWho and GetWhoInfo? Every time I use GetWhoInfo it shows the last who info, not the one I just sent... |
| 17:25.03 | zenzelezz | ~framexml |
| 17:25.04 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 17:25.24 | Kaso | Omni_ add them to your friends list. |
| 17:25.34 | Kaso | Also SendWho takes some time to return the infomation |
| 17:25.47 | Kaso | also if you send a sendwho within like 6sec of a previous one it wont work |
| 17:25.50 | cogwheel | Omni_: SendWho is a request, response system |
| 17:26.04 | cogwheel | you have to wait for an event letting you know that the who info you requested is available |
| 17:26.09 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: Esamyn |
| 17:26.47 | Omni_ | Well I'm using it in an addon to determine if the player is in the same zone as you... and may need to check quite a few times. Are there any other methods to do so? |
| 17:27.15 | Omni_ | And adding to friends list isn't an option because the other player may or may not be of the opposing faction and on a different server. |
| 17:27.18 | cogwheel | not unless they're in your party |
| 17:27.48 | cogwheel | unless you can force them to install your mod |
| 17:30.32 | foxlit | " may not be of the opposing faction" == forget about it |
| 17:31.02 | Thunder_Child | somehow i dont think "Vengeful Gladiator's Refuge (healing set) has been changed, all MP/5 bonuses are modified into +spirit." is gonna make druids happy |
| 17:31.10 | foxlit | You may be able to do something with a large number of people and mouseover/target units, but the precision will suck, and I'd lynch you for wasting my CPU time. |
| 17:31.34 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: why not? :) |
| 17:31.53 | Thunder_Child | MP/5 > Spirit |
| 17:32.03 | foxlit | Really? |
| 17:32.07 | foxlit | 1 mp5 > 400 spirit? |
| 17:32.18 | Thunder_Child | didnt say that |
| 17:32.37 | foxlit | Yeah, that was an exageration. |
| 17:32.52 | Thunder_Child | i should hope so |
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| 17:32.59 | foxlit | But unless you start throwing numbers about mp5 -> spirit conversion around, your statement is without basis. |
| 17:33.19 | foxlit | For all you've told me, it could be adding enough spirit to compensate mp5 loss, and then everyone would be happier |
| 17:33.25 | Thunder_Child | 8/mp5 vs. 20 spi |
| 17:33.39 | Thunder_Child | is the gloves |
| 17:34.06 | Cide | kinda helps druids |
| 17:34.06 | Thunder_Child | 9/mp2 vs 22 spi on the chestpeice |
| 17:34.10 | Cide | since you don't use mana while you're in forms |
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| 17:34.21 | foxlit | resto set, though |
| 17:34.37 | Cide | resto druids are far from always in caster form in pvp though |
| 17:34.52 | Tuller | true |
| 17:34.53 | foxlit | Anyhow, with new intensity, 20 Spi ~~ 4mp5 |
| 17:34.59 | Cide | plus they have innervate |
| 17:35.17 | foxlit | A comfort that'll be in 2.3 |
| 17:35.21 | Omni_ | for PvP I'd say Mp5 >>>>>>> spirit |
| 17:35.27 | Omni_ | I for one am never out of the fsr |
| 17:35.32 | Lunessa | Treeform spirit bonus is the hawtness if you're doing pve healing. |
| 17:35.33 | Cide | Omni_: what's your class? |
| 17:35.36 | Omni_ | Priest. |
| 17:35.43 | Cide | then your argument is worthless |
| 17:35.44 | Thunder_Child | OLD http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/s3/druid-refuge.jpg NEW http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/druid_refuge2.jpg |
| 17:35.55 | Cide | druids don't play like priests in pvp |
| 17:36.27 | Omni_ | Yeah they can actually get away from focus fire >_> |
| 17:36.35 | Cide | by doing what? |
| 17:37.06 | Thunder_Child | wow...hunters seem to be getting much loving from blizz this pach.... |
| 17:37.19 | Thunder_Child | i didnt think they needed to be buffed for pvp |
| 17:37.23 | Omni_ | spam shifting forms? going into bear form and feral charging someone across the field then shifting into travel form? |
| 17:37.24 | foxlit | I do. |
| 17:37.29 | foxlit | Hunters were a joke |
| 17:37.36 | Thunder_Child | "There is now a Mortal Strike effect (Healing done on the target reduced by 50%, Duration 10 seconds) on Aimed Shot." |
| 17:37.49 | Tuller | hurray :) |
| 17:37.51 | Cide | something like that |
| 17:37.55 | Fisker- | hunters are overpowered |
| 17:38.01 | Tuller | + deadzone reduction |
| 17:38.07 | Thunder_Child | "The min range to shot has been reduced from 8 yards to 4 yards. The "dead zone" is now pretty much removed." |
| 17:38.25 | Cide | Fisker-: hunters were far from overpowered before |
| 17:38.30 | Cide | have you tried out the changes? |
| 17:38.33 | foxlit | Cide: Innervate is a bit meh when everyone can see your buffs and 4 classes can dispell it |
| 17:38.46 | Cide | foxlit: what four classes? |
| 17:38.47 | foxlit | Fisker- is just a troll. |
| 17:38.50 | Fisker- | nooo |
| 17:38.54 | foxlit | Priests, Shamans, Warlocks, Hunters |
| 17:38.56 | Thunder_Child | 5, hunters now to |
| 17:38.58 | Fisker- | hunters can do more damage than me :( |
| 17:39.04 | Fisker- | my holy paladin |
| 17:39.05 | Omni_ | Mages can spelsteal as well |
| 17:39.07 | Cide | foxlit: 2/9 can do it consistently |
| 17:39.09 | Omni_ | spell* |
| 17:39.27 | foxlit | Omni_ that has, thus far, never happened :) |
| 17:39.32 | foxlit | Cide: I'd give it 3/9, actually |
| 17:39.38 | Omni_ | your'e lucky then >_> |
| 17:39.44 | Omni_ | mages love to spellsteal everything from me |
| 17:39.48 | foxlit | And since it's trivial for hunters in 2.3, I don't see why they'd let me get away with it |
| 17:39.55 | Cide | um |
| 17:39.58 | foxlit | Warlock pets will eat anything. |
| 17:39.59 | Tuller | mages love to arcane pyro me :P |
| 17:40.04 | Cide | that's assuming you only have 1 buff on you |
| 17:40.13 | Cide | you'd be stupid to only have that |
| 17:40.24 | Cide | arcane shot dispels 1 buff every 5-6 seconds (depending on talents) |
| 17:40.24 | foxlit | I'd be stupid to be recasting buffs in arenas. |
| 17:40.33 | foxlit | Besides |
| 17:40.36 | Cide | you're not recasting motw, you're recasting hots |
| 17:40.42 | foxlit | I'm not a tree |
| 17:40.49 | foxlit | All of those effects eat the most recent buff |
| 17:40.58 | foxlit | (except spellsteal) |
| 17:41.04 | Cide | no they don't |
| 17:41.06 | Omni_ | I'm fairly certain it's random. |
| 17:41.06 | Cide | they eat random buffs |
| 17:41.15 | Thunder_Child | except for mass dispell |
| 17:41.25 | Cide | which prioritizes immune effects but other than that is also random |
| 17:41.43 | Thunder_Child | i was under the impression it was "most powerfull" first |
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| 17:41.49 | Cide | nope. |
| 17:42.25 | Thunder_Child | banks http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/guildbanks.jpg |
| 17:42.36 | Omni_ | I love the dispel bug |
| 17:42.54 | Omni_ | if you hit dispel on a pally just as they bubble, sometimes it dispels it as well as a normal buff |
| 17:43.11 | Omni_ | works for purge too |
| 17:43.14 | Cide | yeah, how often does that happen though? never |
| 17:43.27 | Omni_ | I've had it happen a couple times |
| 17:43.32 | Cide | I've had it happen once |
| 17:43.53 | Cide | only happens in 5v5 though, more or less |
| 17:43.57 | Omni_ | in like the 5000 arena games I've played vs pallies >_< so yeah rare but nice when it happens |
| 17:45.51 | Cide | nice |
| 17:46.09 | Cide | the who list displays class colors now.. is that new in 2.3? |
| 17:46.27 | Omni_ | I'd really like to see shadow priests given some survivability in group PvP... shadow was so much more fun than holy/disc |
| 17:46.33 | Omni_ | well at least Pre-BC ... |
| 17:46.56 | Cide | shadow priests are decently hard to kill in pvp gear |
| 17:47.06 | Thunder_Child | Cide, yes, new to 2.3 |
| 17:47.08 | Omni_ | So is every other class in PvP gear. |
| 17:47.22 | Cide | Omni_: I didn't say otherwise |
| 17:48.02 | Omni_ | Kinda a moot point.. yes they bring silence to the table, but that's it. It would be better to take a holy/disc priest for the mana burn, or another mage for imp CS |
| 17:48.09 | Omni_ | No reason to take one past 2v2 atm |
| 17:48.31 | Cide | if you're going for utility, more or less |
| 17:49.01 | Cide | plus, shadow priests in pvp *SHOULD* have imp mana burn |
| 17:49.15 | Omni_ | I know, I did in my build |
| 17:49.25 | Omni_ | Just saying they still have no survivability at all |
| 17:49.34 | Omni_ | no way to do anything with even a single melee dps on them |
| 17:49.43 | Omni_ | at least holy/disc has blessed resil, blessed recovery |
| 17:49.43 | Cide | you just said that they don't have more utility than a holy priest or mage |
| 17:49.47 | Cide | nothing about their survivability |
| 17:49.56 | Cide | yeah, but you gain 15% from shadow form too |
| 17:50.17 | Omni_ | +15% of what you have currently, not 15% more total |
| 17:50.21 | Omni_ | it's nice but not that great |
| 17:50.26 | Omni_ | I'd rather be able to ice block |
| 17:50.27 | Cide | um |
| 17:50.28 | Cide | 15% total |
| 17:50.39 | Cide | you take x damage, with shadow form you take x*0.85 damage |
| 17:50.59 | Omni_ | It's x1.15 of whatever your current mitigation is |
| 17:51.03 | Cide | no it's not |
| 17:51.06 | Omni_ | I wish it was like that |
| 17:51.12 | Cide | it is like that |
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| 17:55.23 | Omni_ | I'm unable to find any source to say one way or the other, but if it was like that in shadowform and in full PvP gear I'd have more mitigation than a mail wearer, and that is not the case. I rememember always being hit consistantly harder than any mail-wearing class by the same melee attacks, when if it was a solid +15% more mitigation I would indeed take less damage |
| 17:56.35 | Cide | Physical damage you take reduced by 15%. |
| 17:56.46 | Cide | Apply Aura: Mod Dmg % Taken (Physical) |
| 17:56.46 | Cide | Value: -15 |
| 17:56.53 | Cide | can't really be more clear |
| 17:57.03 | Cide | Apply Aura: Mod Dmg % (32) |
| 17:57.03 | Cide | Value: 15 |
| 17:57.25 | Omni_ | That's ambiguous, could be applied before or afterwards |
| 17:57.35 | Cide | it stacks multiplicatively |
| 17:57.42 | Cide | doesn't matter whether it's before or after |
| 17:58.01 | Omni_ | Where's your source that says it stacks multiplicatively? |
| 17:58.13 | Cide | CTProfiles |
| 18:00.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | brb Esamynn |
| 18:01.47 | Cidan | sigh |
| 18:01.54 | Cidan | manually retagging 700+ MP3's is not fun |
| 18:03.15 | Esamynn | ouch, guild bank tabs get expensive |
| 18:03.24 | Esamynn | 1g, 10g, 100g, 1000g, 5000g |
| 18:03.36 | Cide | and finally 10000g right? |
| 18:03.46 | Esamynn | dunno |
| 18:03.53 | Cide | I think so |
| 18:03.54 | Esamynn | don't have 5000g to try it |
| 18:04.00 | Cide | ah :) |
| 18:07.13 | Esamynn | you get to choose an icon for each tab |
| 18:07.16 | Esamynn | and you can name them |
| 18:08.32 | Esamynn | nice |
| 18:09.00 | Esamynn | and if you have the ability to withdraw gold from the guild bank, it prompts you if you want to repair from guild funs when you hit repair all |
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| 18:10.01 | Esamynn | ok, that's not good |
| 18:10.16 | Esamynn | money drawn from the bank directly for repairs DOES NOT show up in the log |
| 18:11.07 | Cide | that's gotta be a bug |
| 18:11.39 | Esamynn | I submitted a bug report |
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| 18:21.45 | Omni_ | Anyone know of any tools to check syntax outside of WoW? |
| 18:21.45 | Thunder_Child | hm...WiMax can now use 3G's bandwith |
| 18:22.24 | Thunder_Child | wowbench maybe |
| 18:23.52 | Tuller | is there an easy way to detect when the player is splitting an item vs when they've just picked up an item? |
| 18:24.38 | Cairenn | Two men are on opposite sides of the earth. One is walking a tightrope. The other is getting a blowjob by a 90-year-old woman. Both get the exact same thought at the exact same time. "Don't look down." |
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| 18:26.08 | Shirik | Cairenn >< |
| 18:26.10 | Shirik | I'm trying to eat |
| 18:26.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:27.03 | zenzelezz | it's odd when while watching a porn film you start to think "wow, I need to find out what song this is" |
| 18:27.25 | Thunder_Child | then just imagine the recieving end of the 90-yo woman is a 90-yo man and it should get better |
| 18:27.28 | zenzelezz | if anyone's curious, it was "Gravity of love" by Enigma |
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| 18:27.59 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, huh? |
| 18:28.50 | Thunder_Child | but TY for getting yet another song stuck in my head |
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| 18:31.39 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I chuckled. |
| 18:32.19 | dreamss | apaently u cant format vista out of pcs bought in circuit city |
| 18:32.26 | dreamss | it voids the waranty? |
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| 18:41.12 | Shirik | dreamss: I think you're nuts |
| 18:41.14 | Shirik | where does it say that? |
| 18:41.24 | Shirik | Because afaik, the warranty explicitly doesn't cover software issues period |
| 18:41.30 | Shirik | Therefore formatting the pc would be irrelevant |
| 18:41.33 | dreamss | im helping out this old dude, i had him bought vista |
| 18:41.38 | dreamss | told him hes better off with XP |
| 18:41.44 | Shirik | then you lied to him |
| 18:41.46 | Shirik | anyway, continue |
| 18:41.46 | dreamss | now he wants to keep vista due that |
| 18:41.54 | dreamss | i lied to him? |
| 18:42.00 | Shirik | yes, but please, continue |
| 18:42.16 | dreamss | how the fuck i lied to him, vista is rap |
| 18:42.18 | dreamss | crap |
| 18:42.26 | Shirik | As I said, continue |
| 18:42.28 | dreamss | specially since he does ebay and messaging |
| 18:42.31 | Shirik | you have no basis for your argument, but anyway, continue |
| 18:42.56 | dreamss | what fucking argument, cant format his shit since it voids the waranty |
| 18:42.57 | dreamss | thats it |
| 18:43.05 | Shirik | ok, that's what you should have said next |
| 18:43.08 | Shirik | you never said that to me |
| 18:43.15 | Shirik | what kind of computer is it? |
| 18:43.26 | Shirik | or does he have the Circuit City protection plan on it? |
| 18:43.35 | dreamss | no plan |
| 18:43.49 | dreamss | im his repair plan, and i never touched vista on my life |
| 18:43.49 | Shirik | so the fact that he bought it from CC is completely irrelevant |
| 18:43.50 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:44.07 | Shirik | since it's a manufacturer's warranty, not the store's |
| 18:44.16 | Shirik | and I can tell you from personal experience that doesn't void the warranty |
| 18:44.40 | dreamss | im completly aware |
| 18:44.46 | Shirik | I worked for BBY repair for about 3 years, I know manufacturer warranties inside and out for computers |
| 18:44.50 | Shirik | so tell him to stop worrying and format? |
| 18:44.56 | dreamss | fact is, serial for vista is on the pc case. u can reinstall it if needed |
| 18:45.47 | dreamss | nono, im gonna let him keep vista, charge him now to move his old software |
| 18:45.55 | dreamss | then charge him down the road to format |
| 18:46.51 | dreamss | so why did i lied when i said vista is a piece of crap? |
| 18:49.10 | Omni_ | Could someone take a look at this and tell me why it would be executing code when you're not in the zones I listed? http://wowi.pastey.net/75568 |
| 18:49.13 | Cide | because vista is awesome |
| 18:49.35 | Kaso | or "Word here" is always true |
| 18:49.50 | Kaso | GetMinimapZoneText() == "Blade's Edge Arena" or GetMinimapZoneText() == "Ruins of Lordaeron" ... etc |
| 18:50.03 | Cide | yep |
| 18:50.09 | Omni_ | ah |
| 18:50.22 | Cide | you have x == a or b or c, and not x == a or x == b or x == c |
| 18:50.37 | Cide | b evaluates to true and so does c |
| 18:50.39 | Omni_ | I see |
| 18:50.40 | Omni_ | yeah |
| 18:50.46 | Shirik | dreamss: Tell me exactly why you think he shouldn't use vista |
| 18:50.50 | Omni_ | still fairly new to lua |
| 18:50.56 | Shirik | don't say "vista is crap" that's not a reason |
| 18:51.28 | Omni_ | if I were to put parenthesis around the names, would that work? |
| 18:51.31 | dreamss | vista is just a new UI with dx10 and unstable at best, general rule is wait out new OS untill sp1 comes out |
| 18:51.35 | Shirik | Omni_: no |
| 18:51.37 | Cide | Omni_: no |
| 18:51.40 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 18:51.42 | Omni_ | I mean around all 3 names |
| 18:51.45 | Cide | no |
| 18:51.46 | Shirik | no |
| 18:51.50 | Omni_ | k |
| 18:51.52 | Cide | see: www.lua.org/pil |
| 18:51.54 | Shirik | you have to write it exactly like cide did |
| 18:52.07 | Shirik | dreamss: Again, that's not a real reason |
| 18:52.15 | Shirik | that's FUD |
| 18:52.23 | Shirik | anyway |
| 18:52.31 | dreamss | ok then |
| 18:52.34 | Shirik | yes, Omni_, I suggest, as Cide already did, that you read PIL |
| 18:52.42 | dreamss | give me a reason to use vista over XP |
| 18:52.55 | Shirik | I never said you should :) |
| 18:53.03 | Shirik | My reason for initially going to vista is because it natively supports RAID |
| 18:53.08 | Shirik | that's it |
| 18:53.12 | Shirik | but that's only a reason for me |
| 18:53.26 | dreamss | this guy just ebays and IMs |
| 18:53.28 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:54.14 | Shirik | so then, why exactly should he go to xp? :) Why not stick with what he has now. It works, doesn't it? |
| 18:54.25 | Cide | I like it because of hardware acceleration I'm pretty sure it is |
| 18:54.49 | Shirik | honestly, I like it because of UAC... that and it just feels better. Don't know what to say about that. |
| 18:55.00 | dreamss | Shirik, pretty much doubt is gonna work, im gonna have to jump hoops for o reason |
| 18:55.16 | dreamss | not to mention im gonna give him xp pro, instead of vista home |
| 18:55.20 | Shirik | and the fact that I tried to install a rootkit and it wouldn't let me |
| 18:55.22 | Shirik | which is kinda cool |
| 18:55.25 | Cide | what hopps are you gonna jump? |
| 18:55.30 | Cide | honestly |
| 18:55.43 | Cide | what problems do you think he's going to experience that wouldn't exist on xp? |
| 18:55.44 | Shirik | the fact that you can't inject unsigned code into the kernel |
| 18:55.51 | Shirik | that's a nice little change |
| 18:56.01 | Cide | if he's just "ebaying and iming" |
| 18:56.33 | dreamss | hardware/software he might want tranfered that have no vista support? |
| 18:56.39 | Cide | such as? |
| 18:56.50 | dreamss | usb wireless |
| 18:56.57 | Cide | do you have any idea how vista's driver support is? |
| 18:57.02 | dreamss | im gonna find out the hard way |
| 18:57.03 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:57.03 | Cide | usb wireless what? |
| 18:57.33 | Cide | so you have no idea? I haven't had a single driver issue |
| 18:57.45 | dreamss | u need signed drivers last i heard |
| 18:58.13 | Cide | I don't think that's true |
| 18:58.22 | Cide | I looked it up because someone said that and couldn't find anything about it |
| 18:58.27 | Cairenn | so much testosterone in here today, I need a shower to cool off! |
| 18:58.28 | dreamss | actually |
| 18:58.33 | dreamss | yeah thats a lie |
| 18:58.55 | dreamss | only need signed drivers for hardware that passes premium content |
| 18:59.04 | Cide | Administrator privilege is required to install unsigned kernel-mode components. This includes device drivers, filter drivers, services, and so on. |
| 18:59.34 | Cide | I think that's pretty smart |
| 19:01.20 | dreamss | i just see less trouble using xp sp3 than vista sp1 |
| 19:01.25 | dreamss | but heh ill find out |
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| 19:01.59 | Cide | you will |
| 19:02.12 | Cide | chances are you'll find it's no more trouble than xp |
| 19:02.46 | dreamss | oh no i have that feeling |
| 19:12.01 | cncfanatics | vista loses due to DRM :p |
| 19:12.12 | cncfanatics | I'm not buying any more MS OS's cuz of that |
| 19:12.45 | dreamss | heh |
| 19:12.51 | Omni_ | Ok.... so: I've written an addon that keeps track of your previous arena opponents and has a command to scan that list and spam ignore all of them to show you who you're going up against before the arena starts. However, for obvious reasons, it doesn't work with teams from your own server as it will just detect them if they're online and give a false positive that they're in the arena with you. Anyone know of a way around this? =/ |
| 19:13.34 | dreamss | must lag after a while |
| 19:13.48 | Omni_ | it auto clears after 100 names |
| 19:14.02 | Cide | Blizzard_FeedBackUI is using up 400kb/s memory on PTR.. interesting |
| 19:14.10 | dreamss | LOL |
| 19:14.11 | Cide | Feedback* |
| 19:15.35 | Iriel | i hear it taints a lot, its unsigned for some reason |
| 19:15.49 | Iriel | so that may be an exaggerated number |
| 19:16.31 | dreamss | Omni_, who people in ur realm if they on the same arena as you? |
| 19:16.49 | Cide | Iriel: true |
| 19:16.52 | dreamss | prolly give you false positivies |
| 19:17.00 | Omni_ | I've tried that but 1) It doesn't work cross faction, and 2) Can give false positives |
| 19:17.10 | Omni_ | not only that but GetWhoInfo is delayed |
| 19:17.11 | dreamss | (trying to get around the gearswap? heh) |
| 19:17.24 | Omni_ | No |
| 19:17.41 | Omni_ | just basically a tool to tell you if you're going against the same team you just went against or someone else |
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| 19:18.07 | dreamss | u can change your tab/tar distance and see them as soon you come out |
| 19:18.31 | Omni_ | That's being fixed next patch btw, and that's sort of irrelevant |
| 19:19.02 | dreamss | onlyr eason u need it pre opening of gate is to gearswap |
| 19:19.57 | Omni_ | well I for one play with a rogue as a 2v2 partner, our strat is to zerg from the start and pick a target to go after asap, no questions asked, while shutting the other one down |
| 19:20.17 | dreamss | and? |
| 19:20.47 | Omni_ | knowing if we're going against the same team or a different one would help us to do that before hand and shave off valuable time when we pick targets |
| 19:20.52 | Omni_ | every second counts |
| 19:21.03 | Omni_ | in Priest + Rogue combo at least |
| 19:21.17 | Iriel | Once the gate opens do you know who your opponents are? |
| 19:21.30 | dreamss | yeah |
| 19:21.33 | Iriel | (Never played arena, sorry for stupid questions) |
| 19:21.41 | Omni_ | not if one is stealthed and if they manage to get behind pillars or something |
| 19:21.49 | Iriel | So all you actually need is an addon that you're both running which will always pick the same target |
| 19:22.26 | art3mis | meh |
| 19:22.32 | dreamss | there an addon that learns you arena targets with win/looses but works off targeting |
| 19:23.10 | Iriel | So you only 'know' who they are when you see them? |
| 19:23.25 | Iriel | Even then, if your addon stores a database of previous teams, seeing one should tell you who the other is, right? |
| 19:23.27 | dreamss | pretty much |
| 19:23.48 | Omni_ | Well, for one they might switch out players, and two it stores the class as well |
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| 19:24.07 | dreamss | yah |
| 19:24.16 | art3mis | i cant believ i woke up with a song stuck in my head |
| 19:24.21 | dreamss | whats ur rating? |
| 19:24.24 | dreamss | anyways |
| 19:24.32 | dreamss | art, the pokemon song? |
| 19:24.32 | Omni_ | 1951 2v2 |
| 19:24.41 | dreamss | oh nice |
| 19:24.51 | art3mis | dreamss: the song from the promos for Lucy, Daughter of the devil on adult swim |
| 19:25.03 | dreamss | OH that song owns |
| 19:25.15 | dreamss | lets paint the town red |
| 19:25.17 | art3mis | "death choir, boogie oogie oogie, death choir" |
| 19:25.20 | Fisker- | Anyone know if all that new music in 2.3 was added in this PTR build just released today_ |
| 19:25.22 | Fisker- | ? |
| 19:25.56 | art3mis | im sad |
| 19:26.15 | art3mis | installed ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and for some reason the opengl hardware stuff is broked |
| 19:26.25 | art3mis | i can use 3d desktop effects not i cant run games |
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| 19:27.07 | cncfanatics | ati or nividia ? |
| 19:27.31 | art3mis | ati xpress1100 |
| 19:27.46 | art3mis | the ONLY chipset it seems that 3d for games doesnt work at all |
| 19:27.49 | Fisker- | ati is crap :( |
| 19:27.55 | art3mis | ati is good |
| 19:28.05 | art3mis | linux driver support is crap ;P |
| 19:28.29 | art3mis | it's getting better mind you since they released all those papers |
| 19:28.36 | art3mis | but oh well |
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| 19:30.52 | Fisker- | but still art3mis |
| 19:30.55 | Fisker- | ATi = fail |
| 19:31.17 | Fisker- | can't spell "This is a huge failure" without ATi |
| 19:31.53 | Iriel | How about "This was a triumph" ? |
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| 19:32.00 | Iriel | speaking of songs stuck in heads |
| 19:32.17 | cncfanatics | ati drivers, install em art3mis ? :p |
| 19:32.24 | Fisker- | that's not fair Iriel :( |
| 19:32.37 | cncfanatics | Iriel :o , I needed you, do you have a second ? |
| 19:33.15 | Iriel | sure |
| 19:34.00 | cncfanatics | would it be possible to call _TestChildVisibility when showstates or hidestates changes ? |
| 19:34.16 | cncfanatics | (in the secure framexml code) |
| 19:34.31 | art3mis | cncfanatics: they are installed ;) |
| 19:35.15 | cncfanatics | art3mis, then I guess ur out of luck for having the only card without 3d ? |
| 19:35.32 | AnduinLothar | woah wtf. Heroic Keys now require just honored |
| 19:35.44 | Iriel | cncfanatics: the problem is that you want the parent to know when a child attribute changes, and it doesn't |
| 19:35.58 | Fisker- | it's a bad change imo |
| 19:36.11 | Fisker- | now we'll just have people stuck at honored saying they don't need more rep rather than revered |
| 19:36.12 | Iriel | cncfanatics: the solution I suggested was to give you a method to ask the parent to re-evaluate a child's status, then you can call it from your child OnAttributeChanged handler if you've installed one |
| 19:36.29 | cncfanatics | its local |
| 19:36.34 | foxlit | Fisker-: and that's bad how? :) |
| 19:37.01 | dreamss | Heroic Keys now require just honored?lol |
| 19:37.27 | Fisker- | foxlit in a different number of ways |
| 19:37.31 | AnduinLothar | i don't rly mind. i can still use my exaltedness for discounts :) |
| 19:37.38 | Fisker- | player skills, don't got the rep vendors outside ssc, etc. |
| 19:37.41 | foxlit | But assuming you can change hidestates/showstates in the first place, can't you just call testchildvisibility? |
| 19:37.41 | cncfanatics | Iriel, what I do currently is child:SetAttribute("showstates", ...); parent:SetAttribute("state", parent:GetAttribute("state")); any better way ? |
| 19:37.46 | foxlit | Fisker-: different from what? |
| 19:38.09 | cncfanatics | my current way feels, hackish |
| 19:38.11 | Fisker- | bad* then |
| 19:38.15 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Right now, there's not a better way.. I was proposing a slightly nicer change that didn't fire state change events |
| 19:38.25 | Iriel | And ou can't call test child visibility directly because it's local |
| 19:38.35 | AnduinLothar | oh nifty, new Combat Text Float Modes |
| 19:38.51 | AnduinLothar | or did i jsu tnot see those b4.. |
| 19:38.58 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 19:39.31 | Iriel | cncfanatics: your current way isn't hackish, beyond causing perhaps a bit of undesired processing |
| 19:39.46 | cncfanatics | it feels hackish |
| 19:39.51 | cncfanatics | normaly I handle every button individualy |
| 19:39.54 | cncfanatics | but for shwos |
| 19:40.29 | cncfanatics | but for showstates & hidestates I have to set every button's attributes correctly and do parent:SetAttribute("state") afterwards, which prevents me from considering every button without looking at the others |
| 19:40.50 | cncfanatics | cuz if I did the parent:SetAttribute("state") once per button I'd have stupid ammounts of processing |
| 19:41.33 | cncfanatics | as every button is an object, I had to move that code outside of the mixin, which is hackish imo :p |
| 19:42.10 | Iriel | The proposal I had was essentially that you'd do... |
| 19:42.21 | Iriel | parent:SetAttribute("checkchild", child); |
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| 19:43.12 | cncfanatics | that'd be nice, I could do that once per button without problem |
| 19:43.51 | Iriel | Let me add it to my todo list |
| 19:45.17 | Iriel | I think that's very unlikely |
| 19:46.01 | cncfanatics | figured that much :) |
| 19:46.28 | Iriel | Who knows, depends how long it lingers on the PTR |
| 19:47.37 | cncfanatics | you're the one coding the secure headers right ? or am I mistaking :p |
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| 19:48.06 | Iriel | The secure state header, yes.... The argument is that I'm the only person who actually understands how it works as I wrote it. |
| 19:48.18 | cncfanatics | :) |
| 19:48.21 | Iriel | I'm not sure I wholly agree with that, but at least this way I can make sure it doesn't go mad. |
| 19:48.30 | cncfanatics | I understand some parts of it, though far from all |
| 19:48.32 | cncfanatics | its hug |
| 19:48.35 | cncfanatics | s/hug/huge/ |
| 19:48.45 | Iriel | I'm still trying to think of a nifty simpler design that doesn't lose any functionality or 'security' |
| 19:48.45 | cncfanatics | (I mainly udnerstand the parts that effect me :p) |
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| 19:49.14 | cncfanatics | well, the secure state driver is a start |
| 19:49.21 | cncfanatics | but macro options are a pain to autogenerate though |
| 19:51.08 | cncfanatics | wish you'd accept a table with a list of states and their rules |
| 19:52.12 | Iriel | One of the things i've been thinking about is a better representation of a complex state machine |
| 19:52.40 | cncfanatics | like flexbar's ? :p |
| 19:52.43 | Iriel | but above that, i'd like to enable a more 'abstract' way to describe the desired state changes, something more lua-ish. |
| 19:53.03 | Iriel | The problem is maintaining the GUARANTEE that you can't inject unauthorized outside data into the engine |
| 19:53.12 | Iriel | if it wasn't supposed to be secure it'd be really really easy |
| 19:54.19 | cncfanatics | heh, I abstracted your engine kinda |
| 19:54.27 | cncfanatics | want to see the code I used ? though I'm 100% sure it can be abused |
| 19:54.56 | Iriel | can you email it to me so I can look at it later? iriel@iriel.org ? |
| 19:55.32 | Industrial | Anyone have the font AvantGarde ? Please pm me |
| 19:55.43 | cncfanatics | sure Iriel |
| 19:56.15 | cncfanatics | I'll add some more comments in it |
| 19:56.18 | cncfanatics | its a pain atm :p |
| 19:56.32 | MentalPower | Industrial: not me, sorry |
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| 19:58.44 | cncfanatics | Iriel, mind if I just give you an url where to find the file ? |
| 19:59.03 | Iriel | If you email me the url, and keep the file there, then it works for me 8-) |
| 19:59.09 | cncfanatics | k k :) |
| 19:59.20 | cncfanatics | actualy, might as well mail u the file then |
| 19:59.42 | Iriel | My short term memory has been betraying me lately, a mailbox is much better at remembering things |
| 20:00.26 | cncfanatics | sent |
| 20:00.31 | cncfanatics | I like my code, and it doesn't feel hackish |
| 20:01.36 | cncfanatics | good enough for me I guess, tell me what u think of it when u had a chance to read it :p |
| 20:03.15 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 20:03.28 | sag_ich_nicht | someone fix the PTR installer for deDE clients that have the ELP for enGB installed already |
| 20:03.28 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 20:04.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll post ANOTHER topic on the PTR forum about it |
| 20:04.45 | sag_ich_nicht | and it will AGAIN be ignored. |
| 20:04.46 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 20:05.16 | Kaydeethree | it's the weekend, like you expect anyone from QA to be in the office today? |
| 20:05.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaydeethree |
| 20:05.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i have posted about this |
| 20:05.50 | sag_ich_nicht | since the 2.1 PTR. |
| 20:05.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and it's still not fixed. |
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| 20:06.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd ask someone to post about it on the US PTR forum since hortus actually REPLIES there unlike the EU forums where we get no replies in the PTR forum at all |
| 20:06.38 | sag_ich_nicht | but otoh this is a EU only issue more or less |
| 20:06.39 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
| 20:06.40 | cncfanatics | its an EU issue :p |
| 20:07.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 20:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | true |
| 20:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 20:07.20 | sag_ich_nicht | damn you, brain induced typo! |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker- | make a ticket |
| 20:07.32 | Fisker- | ingame |
| 20:07.33 | Fisker- | HOHO |
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| 20:14.16 | sag_ich_nicht | how funny... NOT. |
| 20:14.49 | cncfanatics | oh come on sag_ich_nicht, Fisker- is being as funny as usual |
| 20:19.59 | Kaso | I just wrote a 1500 word email to Gabe Newell about orange box, i feel so nerdy. |
| 20:20.18 | Kaydeethree | "gimme more portal yesterday!" ? |
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| 20:20.42 | Kaso | I did make some requests about Portal 2 being here as soon as possible |
| 20:21.31 | Kaso | But i also do want Portal 2, rather than just a portal map-pack |
| 20:21.47 | Kaso | i think the storyline / humor of glados is what made the game |
| 20:21.55 | Kaydeethree | oh yeah |
| 20:23.54 | dreamss | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syb0lPqxUt8 |
| 20:23.57 | Kaydeethree | ah, I love well-seeded torrents. getting shana2 ep3 at ~750K/s |
| 20:23.59 | dreamss | holly fucking shit |
| 20:24.34 | Shirik | wow |
| 20:24.40 | Shirik | people are really mad at the new hunter aimed shot |
| 20:24.44 | Shirik | huh? |
| 20:24.49 | dreamss | lol |
| 20:24.50 | dreamss | qq |
| 20:25.02 | Kaso | Does seem a little overkill |
| 20:25.15 | Shirik | I don't see it being overkill much |
| 20:25.16 | dreamss | they get dispell/no deadzone/MS |
| 20:25.20 | dreamss | not OP |
| 20:25.22 | Shirik | um |
| 20:25.25 | Shirik | no dead zone? |
| 20:25.34 | dreamss | reduced deadzone |
| 20:25.37 | Shirik | The 4 yd is definitely a typo |
| 20:25.42 | zenzelezz | eh? |
| 20:25.46 | Shirik | it's not active on PTR at least |
| 20:25.51 | Shirik | my aimed shot still requires me to be a distance away |
| 20:26.04 | Shirik | and it's a 3.5s cast time on MS |
| 20:26.12 | Kandoko | ITS not a you can shoot at melee range :P |
| 20:26.19 | sag_ich_nicht | hold it |
| 20:26.23 | Cide | aimed shot MS is way buggy btw |
| 20:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | blizzard broke the melee range on the PTR |
| 20:26.26 | Cide | in its current state |
| 20:26.28 | sag_ich_nicht | it's now 3 yards |
| 20:26.29 | dreamss | can the shots be interrupted by shocks? |
| 20:26.32 | sag_ich_nicht | instead of 5 |
| 20:26.34 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: broke? changed :P |
| 20:26.36 | Shirik | yeah Cide it doesn't work at all |
| 20:26.39 | Cide | Shirik: it does |
| 20:26.45 | Shirik | eh, my tests it doesn't |
| 20:26.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: i consider this broken. |
| 20:26.51 | Shirik | but ok I'll take your word for it |
| 20:26.55 | Cide | Shirik: well, I tested it with ts |
| 20:27.05 | Cide | it reduced my heal by 50% once out of 10 tries |
| 20:27.08 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:27.10 | Cide | so it does work sometimes :P |
| 20:27.44 | Shirik | the arcane shot dispel is kinda cool |
| 20:27.50 | Shirik | but let's be honest. People arecomplaing about the 5s cooldown |
| 20:27.55 | Shirik | I'm like... the only MM hunter anymore |
| 20:27.58 | Shirik | nobody specs that route anymore |
| 20:28.15 | zenzelezz | 41/20/0! |
| 20:28.23 | Shirik | !c us eredar shirik |
| 20:28.25 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Shirik, Level 70 Dwarf Hunter (3/50/8). 7393 HP; 6928 Mana; 103 mana regen; 22 mp5; 4754 Armour; 1467 AP; 198.100 Melee DPS; 13.83% melee crit; 90 melee hit; 1671 RAP; 261.10 Ranged DPS; 18.83% ranged crit; 90 ranged hit; 8.19% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1358 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynq22o ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q568v ][ Updated: Sat Oct 20 16:31:31 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:28.28 | Shirik | wow |
| 20:28.30 | Shirik | I have 3 points in BM? |
| 20:28.34 | Shirik | why did I do that.. |
| 20:28.39 | Cide | good question |
| 20:28.41 | Cide | you fail |
| 20:28.44 | Kaydeethree | go go gadget respec |
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| 20:29.39 | Shirik | I would be ok with them making the dispel a talent point |
| 20:29.42 | zenzelezz | so in 2.3 we'll have hunters Aimed Shotting the mobs at Karathress and Magtheridon |
| 20:29.43 | Shirik | part of arcane shot talent |
| 20:30.44 | Shirik | ahah! Yes! |
| 20:30.50 | Shirik | Someone posted a thread saying there should be a lifestealing shot |
| 20:30.51 | dreamss | holly fucking shit |
| 20:31.06 | dreamss | u guys see the youtube link? |
| 20:31.15 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 20:31.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:31.19 | zenzelezz | I saw the link, I did not follow it |
| 20:31.26 | dreamss | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syb0lPqxUt8 |
| 20:31.34 | dreamss | come back when ur traumatized |
| 20:31.56 | zenzelezz | I trust that's SFW? |
| 20:32.01 | dreamss | yeah |
| 20:32.31 | dreamss | no porn/graphic stuff |
| 20:33.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:33.12 | Shirik | that was amusing |
| 20:33.33 | dreamss | u see the whole thing? |
| 20:33.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ahahahah hilarious |
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| 20:35.33 | Shirik | "Divine Shield Shot. Friendly targetted. (Remember to tell them to get their hearthstone ready before you fire.) " |
| 20:36.55 | Shirik | "You should be able to mount Gnome Mages on your shoulders. They would, of course, independantly target and Arcane Missiles enemies around you. Or, you could activate "Linked Fire Mode" and they would blast away at your current target with you. " |
| 20:36.58 | Shirik | tihs thread is so full of win |
| 20:37.02 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518763934&sid=1 |
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| 20:38.03 | Cide | hahaha |
| 20:38.08 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.08 | Cide | Target a specific area to create a bandage dispenser. |
| 20:40.12 | dreamss | how about stfu shot |
| 20:40.15 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 20:40.16 | dreamss | ppl and their qq |
| 20:40.23 | Shirik | that was already said :) |
| 20:40.28 | Shirik | "And then just for the heck of it Blizz should throw in a "Everyone stop the QQ about hunter buffs and continue with the game because they aren't invincible" shot. " |
| 20:40.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 20:40.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i want an ogre mage |
| 20:40.48 | sag_ich_nicht | k? |
| 20:40.49 | foxlit | ~200g? |
| 20:40.55 | foxlit | wrong channel! |
| 20:41.26 | zenzelezz | hunters already have a solution to all the whining |
| 20:41.28 | dreamss | enjoy the OP untill it gets nerfed to even worse than before the buff |
| 20:41.29 | zenzelezz | Tranquilizing Shot |
| 20:41.39 | Cide | zenzelezz: don't forget silencing shot, too |
| 20:41.46 | dreamss | fear shot! |
| 20:41.48 | zenzelezz | only if specced, but good point |
| 20:42.10 | dreamss | aoe shot: next shot attacks all targets around the hunter |
| 20:42.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik Cidan you seen that 2.3 has a taint log? :X |
| 20:43.29 | Cide | dreamss: why limit yourself? |
| 20:43.37 | Cide | AoE shot: Next shot attacks all targets. Period. |
| 20:43.46 | dreamss | word |
| 20:44.04 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Yes I heard of this |
| 20:44.06 | Shirik | pretty nice |
| 20:44.36 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I have silencing shot :) |
| 20:44.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i want 2.3 so badly now |
| 20:45.05 | Shirik | hey it worked |
| 20:45.13 | Industrial | uhuh |
| 20:46.15 | Shirik | =( |
| 20:46.31 | cncfanatics | ~fail CIde |
| 20:46.32 | purl | CIde: Fail. |
| 20:46.34 | cncfanatics | ~fail Shirik |
| 20:46.34 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 20:46.39 | Cide | tricked me for a split second actually :) |
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| 20:57.10 | foxlit | Can combine that one with different effects |
| 20:57.26 | foxlit | Healthstone AoE Shot - All friendly targets receive a healthstone. |
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| 21:03.11 | art3mis | kaydee eats dandelions! |
| 21:03.19 | Kaydeethree | ? |
| 21:03.22 | art3mis | when they're poofy white! |
| 21:03.27 | art3mis | shrug |
| 21:03.34 | art3mis | hi kd3 |
| 21:03.51 | Kaydeethree | 'lo |
| 21:04.45 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.25 | Kaydeethree | what the hell is pidgin doing burning 40MB of ram just idling? |
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| 21:31.42 | art3mis | its simple kd, pidgins are doing what pigeons do, eatting up everything available ;P |
| 21:31.56 | art3mis | err pidgin is |
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| 22:10.53 | Furl | !i Veteran's Dreadweave Belt |
| 22:10.54 | ThraeBot | Furl: Name: Veteran's Dreadweave Belt; Rarity: Epic (Purple); BoP; Cloth Belt; +45 Stamina; +30 Intellect; Requires L70; 35 Durability; +31 ResilienceRating; Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 36.. [[ http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32799 ][ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32799 ]] |
| 22:11.14 | dreamss | gratsor |
| 22:11.39 | buu | I'm saving up for it =[ |
| 22:11.49 | buu | Honor takes way too goddamn long. |
| 22:11.50 | Furl | Tailoring levelling time |
| 22:11.52 | Furl | Mh |
| 22:12.04 | Furl | Only about 24 hours of farming >.> |
| 22:12.09 | Furl | I played D alot though |
| 22:12.19 | Furl | D in AV is fun :P |
| 22:17.07 | Furl | Anyone have a cart fix for 2.3? |
| 22:19.05 | Shirik | Hmm |
| 22:19.12 | Shirik | "Attempt to index local self (a number value)" |
| 22:19.13 | Shirik | now there |
| 22:19.20 | Shirik | there's a not-so-fun error |
| 22:23.05 | buu | Furl: I can never find a good spot to play D |
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| 22:37.11 | Shirik | When you try to transmit an addon message that is too long |
| 22:37.16 | Shirik | doesn't it truncate it? |
| 22:37.22 | Shirik | I'm getting DCed for some reason :/ |
| 22:38.03 | Shirik | wtf does CTL have to do with too long of a message |
| 22:39.01 | Shirik | SendAddonMessage("CONSP1", ("H"):rep(251), "PARTY") causes a disconnect |
| 22:40.06 | Industrial | What are the level 40 isntances besides ZF and SM? those have crap loot for hunters :| |
| 22:40.16 | Industrial | im 45 and still in leathers from 40 |
| 22:41.21 | Industrial | hm maybe uldaman, mara |
| 22:41.24 | Industrial | i HATE mara |
| 22:42.33 | foxlit | Shirik: that fails by a lot of characters! |
| 22:42.40 | Industrial | hm http://wowhead.com/?item=9416 |
| 22:43.13 | Shirik | foxlit ? |
| 22:43.26 | foxlit | Maximum message length limit |
| 22:43.35 | Shirik | yes, but I thought it just truncates |
| 22:43.37 | Shirik | not disconnects |
| 22:43.43 | foxlit | Read the docs, nublet! |
| 22:43.50 | Shirik | =( |
| 22:44.19 | MentalPower | it DCs, I think it always has |
| 22:44.21 | Industrial | ooh mara has some nice items |
| 22:44.22 | Industrial | heh |
| 22:47.00 | foxlit | [The combined length of message and prefix can be at most 254 characters (255th is the tab character used to delimit the two), length above 254 will disconnect you.] |
| 22:47.35 | Shirik | thanks >.> |
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| 23:14.22 | Cidan | Man |
| 23:14.25 | Cidan | Windows 98 sucks. |
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| 23:35.24 | Industrial | lol yes, yes it does |
| 23:35.38 | Industrial | remember making your own window style? |
| 23:35.42 | Industrial | all green or red or black? |
| 23:35.48 | Industrial | and Plus! |
| 23:35.52 | Industrial | =D |
| 23:38.49 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:38.59 | Cidan | I was using it earlier in VM |
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| 23:58.42 | art3mis | http://www.familyshoppingbag.com/hello_kitty.htm |
| 23:58.57 | art3mis | i think im gonna make a winnie the pooh ui next |
| 23:59.03 | art3mis | cuz winnie > * |
