| 00:01.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=wobin@124-171-44-98.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 00:03.27 | bleeter | actually, just went and checked... he's still elite yar |
| 00:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 00:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | you live today, terry, manager of the npc database |
| 00:06.34 | Polarina | bleeter: Blizzard said that Hogger will become a level 73 elite raid boss. |
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| 00:07.53 | Furl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366548384&sid=1 ...anyone else notice this or hav they even tested it? |
| 00:08.25 | alestane | Still level 6. |
| 00:08.35 | Furl | lol |
| 00:08.43 | bleeter | Polarina: one'd hope a lvl 73 elite raid boss hits for more than 97 (Crushing) http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x27/bleeter/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_101307_110523.jpg |
| 00:09.27 | Furl | Awww shit |
| 00:09.31 | Furl | Cart isn't working |
| 00:10.17 | Wobin | oh god |
| 00:10.20 | Wobin | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/NightCreature/WoWScrnShot_101207_154251.jpg |
| 00:10.23 | Wobin | Worst title EVER |
| 00:10.27 | bleeter | I suspect most map-type mods will have probs with the new minimap foo stuff |
| 00:10.45 | Furl | Well the error is: |
| 00:11.10 | bleeter | 'cept prolly gatherer.. but... we've been bit before |
| 00:11.23 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | Wobin |
| 00:11.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | my guess is they're clearing the way for last names |
| 00:11.35 | Furl | So thar. |
| 00:11.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 00:11.45 | bleeter | Wobin: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5699539,00.jpeg |
| 00:11.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | because there's two title slots now, a left one and a right one |
| 00:12.19 | Wobin | have you seen the snackwell? |
| 00:12.20 | Furl | Holy shit |
| 00:12.30 | alestane | "RItual of Refreshment?" |
| 00:12.31 | Furl | ContextMenu was completely broken 2.2 |
| 00:12.35 | Furl | It works now? |
| 00:12.45 | Wobin | yeah |
| 00:12.59 | Kaydeethree | I refuse to call it "Ritual of Refreshment". it'll always be "Conjured Vending Machine" for me |
| 00:13.03 | Wobin | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/NightCreature/WoWScrnShot_101207_173304.jpg |
| 00:13.12 | Furl | lol! |
| 00:13.13 | Wobin | It's a picanick table! |
| 00:13.24 | Wobin | It actually looks rather non-impressive =( |
| 00:13.57 | Furl | You know what's weird? |
| 00:14.04 | Furl | I have 168% rest on my live priest |
| 00:14.36 | Wobin | O |
| 00:14.37 | Wobin | M |
| 00:14.37 | Wobin | G |
| 00:14.38 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366566665&sid=1&pageNo=15#281 |
| 00:14.45 | Wobin | "We're planning to shrink the min range on ranged attacks to reduce or eliminate the "dead zone". The only point to the dead zone was to ensure the min range on ranged weapons was enough such that ranged weapon attacks wouldn't be used while also being melee'd (at least by mobs... players have a bit of slush built in)." |
| 00:14.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kaydeethree, we call the soulwell a pez dispenser |
| 00:15.00 | Wobin | O.O |
| 00:15.06 | Wobin | NO DEAD ZONE |
| 00:15.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a rather sweeping change |
| 00:16.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters are going to be really really annoying in 2.3 |
| 00:16.35 | Polarina | Why? |
| 00:17.35 | bleeter | 'coz they're coming up for a 'fix' where one can't range and melee at the same time |
| 00:17.52 | bleeter | note: that's kalgan saying 'planning', not 'implementing' |
| 00:18.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 00:18.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | let's see |
| 00:18.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters can now dispel |
| 00:18.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | may be able to mortal strike from range |
| 00:18.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | may be able to disarm from range |
| 00:19.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | can freeze you, scatter shot you, concussion shot you, their pet runs around behind you |
| 00:19.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is going to suck |
| 00:19.55 | bleeter | wait 'till it's implemented |
| 00:20.06 | bleeter | otherwise, you should say 'this could suck' ;) |
| 00:20.14 | Wobin | MS? |
| 00:20.16 | Wobin | Disarm? |
| 00:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, wobin they're thinking about adding a MS ontop of aimed shot |
| 00:20.36 | Furl | WTF? |
| 00:20.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and disarming shot is in the files |
| 00:20.48 | Furl | class.delete("Huntards"); |
| 00:20.50 | Wobin | Disarm? What with? HANDCUFF ARROWS? |
| 00:20.57 | Wobin | What are we? GREEN ARROW? |
| 00:21.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe they shoot you in the hand |
| 00:21.10 | bleeter | might there be some WotLK stuff in the files? ;) |
| 00:21.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and you're all OW FUCK OW |
| 00:21.15 | Wobin | Do we get a Punching Glove arrow too? |
| 00:21.16 | Furl | lol. |
| 00:21.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | and drop your weapon |
| 00:21.33 | Wobin | But ... if you're a warrior and have plate gloves... |
| 00:21.38 | Wobin | *CLANK* |
| 00:22.25 | Furl | Can someone bump this with some BS? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366548384&sid=1 |
| 00:22.26 | Wobin | Mr_Rabies: man... some bizarre changes are in store for hunters |
| 00:22.45 | Furl | I think they are trying to make them viable in arena |
| 00:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm honestly scared of what is happening to them |
| 00:22.50 | Furl | But they aren't doing it right |
| 00:22.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're changing too much at once |
| 00:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to do it slowly to get things right :x |
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| 00:31.07 | Polarina | Could anyone post this http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747 to the UI & Macro forums, please? Thank you. |
| 00:32.33 | JoshBorke | doesn't a binary zero indicate the end of a string? |
| 00:33.12 | Kaydeethree | \0, yes |
| 00:33.27 | JoshBorke | so Polarina, how do you propose you get around that fact? |
| 00:33.52 | Polarina | JoshBorke: Lua privides the C API to get the length of a Lua string. |
| 00:34.06 | Polarina | And the client could just send a byte containing the length of the message. |
| 00:35.21 | Polarina | struct { char length; char *addon_message; }; |
| 00:36.59 | Corrodias | i'll trust that this would be a useful thing |
| 00:38.50 | Polarina | So, could anyone be so nice to post it for me? :$ |
| 00:39.40 | Polarina | Quick quick! While Slouken is active on the forums. |
| 00:40.25 | Polarina | Cairenn? |
| 00:40.32 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 00:40.39 | Polarina | "Could anyone post this http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747 to the UI & Macro forums, please? Thank you." |
| 00:41.00 | Cairenn | posting |
| 00:41.04 | Polarina | Thanks. |
| 00:41.09 | Cairenn | np |
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| 00:42.11 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366728334&postId=23663756654&sid=1#0 |
| 00:42.45 | Polarina | Cairenn: You are such a generous person. |
| 00:43.25 | Cairenn | not the first time I've posted for the EU community, won't be the last, not a big deal to do :) |
| 00:43.32 | Kaydeethree | I lol'd: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366698212&postId=23664356493&sid=1#0 |
| 00:44.21 | Cidan | Cairenn: client download is done, I think. |
| 00:44.32 | Cairenn | Cidan: cool |
| 00:46.06 | Polarina | Now I want to replay to one of the replies on that topic. o.O |
| 00:46.40 | break19 | "all the other binary characters" as in.. the 1? lol |
| 00:46.50 | Polarina | And now I want to reply to Sloukens reply. |
| 00:49.43 | Thunder_Child | can you target something based on a particular raid icon? |
| 00:49.50 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 00:49.51 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 00:49.55 | Thunder_Child | ...nice |
| 00:50.23 | Kaydeethree | "/cast [target=star] nuke" won't work, otherwise it's pre-decursive 2.0 all over again |
| 00:50.35 | Kaydeethree | s/pre-decursive 2.0/pre-2.0 decursive/ |
| 00:51.19 | MentalPower | Does anyone here have a copy of the StarCraft Ghost E32005 cinematic? (the full 6min one) |
| 00:52.30 | break19 | so, what.. i thought binary chars were.. 1.. and 0.. since when did binary become more than 1 and 0?? |
| 00:53.10 | MentalPower | break19: Polarina means other non-printable characters (ver-tab, bell, etc) |
| 00:53.20 | Cidan | binary is a term, it means 2 |
| 00:53.32 | Cidan | binary systems, binary stars |
| 00:53.52 | Cidan | Just like to point that out, :D |
| 00:53.57 | Cidan | pet peeve of mine |
| 00:55.03 | break19 | MentalPower: i know.. I'm just being... difficult. :p |
| 00:56.19 | break19 | I am a total smartass, and proud of it.. after all.. better to be a smartass, than a dumbass.. though paradoxically enough, one person *can* be both. |
| 00:58.16 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to cancel a bug report after it has been submitted? |
| 00:58.34 | Kaydeethree | nope |
| 00:58.47 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i'm gonna go with "oops" then |
| 01:03.52 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 01:03.52 | purl | beats Thunder_Child severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 01:04.04 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 01:04.19 | Esamynn | for the bad bug report :P |
| 01:04.41 | Thunder_Child | ah, yea |
| 01:05.06 | Kaydeethree | heh, looks like the server's reenabling character copy when the queue drops to 3 days |
| 01:05.15 | Kaydeethree | so if anyone wants to hop on, now's probably a good time to try |
| 01:05.25 | Kaydeethree | pve is still busted, you've got much better chance if you copy to pvp |
| 01:08.42 | Industrial | Do pets get less treining points as their level increases? |
| 01:08.55 | Esamynn | no |
| 01:09.02 | Industrial | my pet dinged 40 but only has 27 points, Great Stamina rank 6 is 75 points |
| 01:09.09 | Industrial | He is happy at all times |
| 01:09.10 | Esamynn | total training points = loyalty level * level I think |
| 01:09.12 | Kaydeethree | something's obviously wrong... hortus posted a "we know something's up, we're looking in to it. stop spamming the forum already" sticky, but that's about it |
| 01:09.36 | Industrial | loyalty level is 6 (max I suppose) |
| 01:09.54 | Industrial | 6*40 seems a bit extreme :P |
| 01:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | indy |
| 01:12.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | some pets start with negative points |
| 01:12.29 | Esamynn | only because of the skills they come with |
| 01:12.32 | Industrial | its my barrens pet |
| 01:12.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if you get a pet at 40 they start at 0 and there's some kind of a cap per level/loyalty gain for point gain, but in the end you end up with ....350? |
| 01:12.49 | Industrial | its my grey kitty :< |
| 01:12.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | echy? |
| 01:13.29 | Industrial | echy? |
| 01:15.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | echyakee |
| 01:15.42 | Industrial | yes |
| 01:15.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember camping out for that cat near ratchet |
| 01:15.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | for damn near 3 days |
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| 01:18.10 | Industrial | no thats the other one |
| 01:18.40 | Industrial | echeyakee can be summoned from a quest |
| 01:18.40 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/resources/petcalc.shtml |
| 01:18.40 | Industrial | apparently 27 points is normal |
| 01:18.41 | Industrial | 32 points next level :P |
| 01:19.27 | Esamynn | so I was right |
| 01:20.09 | Esamynn | happiness level * pet level, no? (where max happiness is 5) |
| 01:20.17 | Esamynn | or am I miss reading that? |
| 01:21.26 | Cidan | You know |
| 01:21.29 | Esamynn | Industrial: also, remember that when you train the next elvel of a skill, you get credit for the points you spent on the previous rank |
| 01:22.01 | Cidan | One of these days I fully expect like, patch 3.4 to state: "Factions can no longer kill each other; all players can talk to each other and all world guards removed." |
| 01:22.53 | Esamynn | why is that? |
| 01:23.05 | Industrial | Cidan: I expect mroe something like "we added a big area with fortresses and siege possibility. one guild can own one fortress and also overthrow another. have fun" |
| 01:23.25 | Cidan | because Blizzard works soooo hard to make sure everyone can play and have fun! |
| 01:23.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know, indi |
| 01:23.39 | Cidan | Just don't forget your mittens, oh, and don't die! |
| 01:23.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i meant i camped the other one |
| 01:23.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also got echy |
| 01:23.54 | Industrial | ah ok |
| 01:23.57 | MentalPower | Cidan: their purpose is to have fun, whats wrong with that? |
| 01:23.57 | Cidan | Oh hell, let's just make sure no one can die, unlimited health for everyone! |
| 01:24.10 | Cidan | Because I find fun in a challenge, not in a walk-through. |
| 01:24.24 | Cidan | Thus, I canceled my account today. No big deal, :P |
| 01:24.33 | Cidan | I'm just torlling, let sag_ich_nicht reply to me or something. |
| 01:24.37 | Cidan | er, trolling |
| 01:24.41 | Industrial | Esamynn: max loyalty is 6, 6*40=240, when I enter pet level 40 and loyalty 6 and no skills I get 200 points from the calc :S |
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| 01:24.58 | bleeter | wb ChanServ |
| 01:25.00 | Kaydeethree | hey, services is back |
| 01:25.04 | Esamynn | Industrial: happiness starts at 0 for that calc |
| 01:25.14 | Esamynn | because you get NO points if your pet is at the lowest level |
| 01:25.46 | bleeter | don't confuse happiness with loyalty |
| 01:25.55 | Esamynn | sorry, loyalty, my bad |
| 01:26.12 | Esamynn | Cidan: bad troll! :P |
| 01:26.17 | Cidan | :D |
| 01:26.20 | bleeter | np Esamynn, just one of my peeves ;) |
| 01:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH GOD ALLIGATORS |
| 01:27.19 | Thunder_Child | baby croc! |
| 01:27.54 | bleeter | so who's gunna write this Java Knight's Tour program for me with depth first and breadth first searching so I can start levlling my PTR toon? :P |
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| 01:28.37 | Industrial | Java Knights? like, have at thee! *splash coffee over you* |
| 01:28.40 | Industrial | ? |
| 01:29.07 | bleeter | damn, got the copy page happening, hit the button, it's too busy again now :( |
| 01:29.47 | Kaydeethree | keep hitting refresh |
| 01:29.49 | Kaydeethree | copy to PVP |
| 01:29.53 | Industrial | I have a feeling I shouldnt have taught my pet avoidances while leveling >_> |
| 01:29.59 | Kaydeethree | you can refresh on all pages, just make sure to let it resend the postdata |
| 01:31.26 | Industrial | depends on the operation :P |
| 01:31.34 | bleeter | 'cept if you get unable to complete page on the last stage.. throws you back to page 1 |
| 01:32.20 | bleeter | so go back, press 'copy me', might get 'unable'.. or might get thrown back to page 1 |
| 01:34.40 | Cidan | Cairenn: Crap, does LotRO delete chars after a certain time? Please tell me yes, :( |
| 01:35.04 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 01:35.25 | Cidan | Crap, I activated my key on the account _without_ Cidan on it, now the name is taken |
| 01:36.19 | Cairenn | you might be able to get in touch with them and request them to delete it for you |
| 01:36.22 | Industrial | name it C1dan |
| 01:36.24 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 01:36.40 | Cairenn | if you can prove that you were the "owner" of both accounts, they might be willing |
| 01:36.46 | Cidan | I shall try |
| 01:37.07 | bleeter | woot, three pending... my 2 70's, and my lowbie bank alt (didn't wanna risk copy being dead again by the time I moved the gold around on live) |
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| 01:44.19 | Cidan | Considering that I own the domain that the email address on the accounts go to, I should be golden |
| 01:44.22 | Cidan | :P |
| 01:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter, how did you do that? :/ |
| 01:45.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: do wut? |
| 01:45.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter, copy characters over |
| 01:45.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: beat the copy char system into submission mwhahahaha |
| 01:45.41 | bleeter | dunno, took a few refreshes, but worked for me |
| 01:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been trying several times a minute |
| 01:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably for 20 minutes, all in all |
| 01:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | BAH |
| 01:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 01:46.28 | Kaydeethree | try again in a few hours |
| 01:46.29 | Furl | Wow, there actually is a GL<-> LHC FP |
| 01:46.57 | break19 | just more like... SOB |
| 01:47.09 | break19 | .. hate running out of mana against caster mobs |
| 01:47.18 | Furl | loladin |
| 01:47.39 | break19 | no. lowbie druid |
| 01:47.50 | Furl | Oh I've been thre |
| 01:47.51 | Furl | there* |
| 01:48.08 | break19 | the black dragonthings in rr... |
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| 01:49.05 | Furl | ::" why this patch you cant have premades? ":: |
| 01:49.06 | Corrodias | well, WoW froze |
| 01:49.17 | Corrodias | or the UI froze. it seems to be impossible to tell the difference. |
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| 02:02.58 | TC-Holding | why 7500 HP and 7200 mana.... |
| 02:21.49 | Cidan | Cairenn: wow, they have really made this engine run a LOT faster now |
| 02:21.57 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:21.58 | Cidan | during beta, it ran like crap. :D |
| 02:22.20 | Cairenn | I didn't find it that bad /shrug |
| 02:22.56 | Cairenn | I'm used to alpha/early betas though, so I guess I just don't really notice |
| 02:24.00 | Cidan | looking at the UI, they are totally able to extend it, me thinks. Just a matter of picking a language/method |
| 02:24.08 | Cidan | god I hope they let us not use XML |
| 02:24.42 | Furl | Bannable?: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366698410&postId=23663459864&sid=1#3 |
| 02:26.04 | Furl | Well it was adopted for some reason |
| 02:26.12 | Cidan | So was Windows |
| 02:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, the proper words are "flexible" and "extensible" ;) |
| 02:26.14 | Cidan | Go figure. |
| 02:26.31 | MentalPower | Cidan: use Lua (in WoW) |
| 02:26.37 | Furl | hehehehehe |
| 02:26.41 | Cidan | I do. |
| 02:26.50 | Cidan | The entire conspiracy framework is just lua |
| 02:26.54 | Cidan | not a drop of XML |
| 02:27.51 | Thunder_Child | even though it might have been easier |
| 02:28.00 | Cidan | No way |
| 02:28.03 | Cidan | XML is a clutter |
| 02:28.29 | Thunder_Child | i see, so it does nothing better than lua in any way |
| 02:28.40 | Cidan | In MY opinion, no. |
| 02:28.43 | Cidan | Nothing at all. |
| 02:29.27 | Thunder_Child | i'm fairly sure there is an answer....opnions need not apply |
| 02:29.48 | Cidan | But it is an opinion, and no matter who you ask it will be. |
| 02:29.57 | Cidan | Some people prefer XML, some Lua |
| 02:30.23 | Cidan | There is no "right" answer, I just think XML is worthless |
| 02:30.29 | Thunder_Child | but preferance is regardles in light of actual usage, no? |
| 02:30.43 | Cidan | Again, some find it easier to use XML |
| 02:30.45 | Cidan | others Lua |
| 02:30.55 | Cidan | I think Lua is much MUCH easier than XML |
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| 02:30.58 | Thunder_Child | that i am not disagreeing with |
| 02:32.02 | Thunder_Child | i said 'better' the second time, but it really doesnt matter. |
| 02:32.13 | Thunder_Child | it is what it is |
| 02:32.50 | Cidan | but no, XML does nothing better than Lua. |
| 02:33.05 | Cidan | Everything you can do in XML, you can do in Lua and much more, in less lines. |
| 02:33.28 | Cidan | I think it's because a lot of people don't understand how powerful Lua is and what you can do with it in terms of abstraction. |
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| 02:33.51 | Cidan | You can build an entire API on top of what WoW gives to you |
| 02:34.01 | Cidan | Which is what we have done. |
| 02:34.17 | Adys | sorta offtopic but anyone around who works/worked with actionscript ? |
| 02:34.32 | Cidan | Psh, not off topic, :P |
| 02:34.38 | Thunder_Child | Adys, there really isnt A topic |
| 02:35.00 | Adys | bluh |
| 02:40.41 | Corrodias | ACTION! |
| 02:40.52 | Adys | :( |
| 02:41.01 | Adys | its almost 5am, i dont have a lunch yet |
| 02:41.08 | Corrodias | i finally made my engineering helm, but i have no sockets with which to activate a meta gem, damn it |
| 02:41.11 | Corrodias | brb, getting socks |
| 02:41.27 | Thunder_Child | random... |
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| 02:46.04 | Saeris | Any way to speed up this regex? "|cff%x-|Hitem:.-|h%[.-%]|h|r" |
| 02:57.57 | Cidan | Cairenn: invite? |
| 02:58.09 | Cairenn | name? |
| 02:58.13 | Cidan | Nertu |
| 02:58.18 | Cairenn | Claddagh inviting |
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| 03:28.00 | Kaydeethree | ah, beautiful |
| 03:28.05 | Kaydeethree | it's 12c outside right now |
| 03:31.26 | Industrial | why does the VoiceChatButton hide? |
| 03:31.36 | Industrial | only shows on mouseover and is very small |
| 03:31.42 | Industrial | trouble finding it. |
| 03:36.40 | Gngsk | d |
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| 03:58.47 | art3mis | just caught up on my daily show dvr'ds |
| 03:59.06 | art3mis | lynne cheney bringing out a darth vader doll was pretty classic |
| 03:59.26 | art3mis | Kaydeethree: yeah gorgeous night its 10C right now in nyc |
| 03:59.37 | art3mis | finally getting into the weather i like |
| 04:02.36 | Wobin | What's a good tip for an enchant? |
| 04:03.25 | art3mis | they jus casting? |
| 04:03.37 | art3mis | and is the chant rare? |
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| 04:29.36 | art3mis | hey industrial |
| 04:29.41 | art3mis | you still aboot? |
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| 04:33.31 | Thunder_Child | aboot? is it talk like a canadian day? |
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| 04:33.47 | art3mis | it started as a joke and now i type it without thinking anymore |
| 04:36.26 | art3mis | http://tools.tortoisesvn.net/download_grepwin yay |
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| 04:46.20 | Wobin | hurrah! |
| 04:46.31 | Wobin | Dragonmaw! |
| 04:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Did anyone grab The Orange Box by chance? |
| 04:47.51 | Iriel | I did |
| 04:48.00 | Iriel | I finished portal and all the advanced levels |
| 04:48.15 | Iriel | though not the challenge levels |
| 04:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows or 360? |
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| 04:48.52 | art3mis | yay |
| 04:48.58 | art3mis | my ghud mod worked! |
| 04:49.03 | Iriel | windows |
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| 04:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it require Steam to function at all? |
| 04:49.27 | Shirik | ok, stupid question inbound, be ready to laugh at me |
| 04:49.33 | Calib | How well does prot pally handle in arenas compare to holy? |
| 04:49.36 | Shirik | who here knows how to use diff correctly >.> |
| 04:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, diff dir/filea dir/fileb |
| 04:50.08 | art3mis | arenas not that well, in bg's decent enough |
| 04:50.11 | Shirik | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 04:50.13 | Shirik | but it's not so happy |
| 04:50.14 | art3mis | at least from my mucking |
| 04:50.20 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I'm not sure, but I got it via steam so I wouldn't know if it ididn't |
| 04:50.36 | Shirik | diff --normal --binary file1.bin file2.bin > file.diff |
| 04:50.37 | art3mis | arena is more about burst damage or keeping the burster alive |
| 04:50.40 | Shirik | is what I'm doing |
| 04:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, bah. Dirty Steam. :P |
| 04:50.46 | Shadowed | All of Values games require Steam as far as I know |
| 04:50.50 | Shirik | and all I get is Files file1.bin and file2.bin differ |
| 04:51.01 | art3mis | and since technically no-one is gonna care much about the low dps from a prot pally you better be good at healing |
| 04:51.20 | art3mis | thats my take one it, i may be wrong though as i only mucked around during the 50-s and early 60s |
| 04:51.39 | Shirik | $ diff f1.bin f2.bin |
| 04:51.40 | Shirik | Files f1.bin and f2.bin differ |
| 04:52.05 | Iriel | diff doesn't make patches from binary files does it? |
| 04:52.17 | Iriel | I've never seen it used for that.. There are other tools that can do that kind of thing |
| 04:52.19 | Shirik | I was hoping it could at least just tell me which parts changed |
| 04:52.25 | Shirik | ok, any suggestions? |
| 04:52.29 | Shirik | Sad part is, I made the change! |
| 04:52.31 | Shirik | I just don't remember >< |
| 04:52.33 | Iriel | diff's very text oriented |
| 04:52.43 | Iriel | Try xd'ing the files and diffing the output? |
| 04:53.01 | Shirik | $ xd --help |
| 04:53.01 | Shirik | bash: xd: command not found |
| 04:53.02 | Shirik | =( |
| 04:53.13 | Shirik | keep in mind I'm on cygwin so yeah |
| 04:53.43 | Shirik | ah well |
| 04:53.48 | Iriel | od -x ? |
| 04:53.55 | Shirik | oh is that it? >< |
| 04:54.00 | Shirik | I don't know all these linux commands :( |
| 04:54.05 | Shirik | unix* |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | I know the absolute basics, enough to get around |
| 04:54.12 | Shirik | that's about it |
| 04:56.14 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/myuf.jpg |
| 04:56.35 | Shirik | that worked beautifully |
| 04:56.37 | Shirik | thank you iriel |
| 05:01.30 | Shirik | ow this is hurting my head, od -x takes care of the little-endian stuff, etc., too |
| 05:01.37 | Shirik | but the important thing is it found me the location of the change, thakns again |
| 05:01.48 | Shirik | big-endian* |
| 05:01.55 | art3mis | thats what she said |
| 05:02.31 | Iriel | Shirik: od has a bunch of wacky options too, man od |
| 05:02.40 | art3mis | yeah man od |
| 05:02.54 | art3mis | one comma changes that whole little sentence ;P |
| 05:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm reading the case details of the WoWGlider case |
| 05:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It seems that the counterclaims caused them to change their name completly |
| 05:11.44 | art3mis | linky? |
| 05:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | B. Requiring MDY Industries LLC and Michael Donnelly to shut down the WoWGlider.com website, to assign to Blizzard all rights and title to the wowglider.com domain name, and to stop the development, sale, and distribution of WoWGlider. |
| 05:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shocker there! |
| 05:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec |
| 05:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowglider.com/Legal/Feb_16_2007/AnswerAndCounterclaims.pdf |
| 05:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It gives vauge details about how Warden works |
| 05:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It also outlines how WoWGlider gets around Warden, and how that constitutes a DMCA violation |
| 05:14.03 | art3mis | laugh |
| 05:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I always kinda laugh when both sides sue each other for attorney's fees |
| 05:14.12 | art3mis | wow doesnt circumvent any copyright |
| 05:14.20 | art3mis | err wowglider |
| 05:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Good the the DMCA covers more than copyrights ;) |
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| 05:14.42 | art3mis | you still need an active account to play ;) |
| 05:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | In the linked PDF, they state that WoWGlider launches a WoW process under it's thumb and control, thereby creating an unlicensed copy of WoW in RAM |
| 05:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, however stupid that may sound |
| 05:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Is valid |
| 05:15.20 | art3mis | .29 is hilarious |
| 05:15.40 | art3mis | seeing as how technically data is mined for wow armoury, wowhead, cart, metamap thottbot etc |
| 05:15.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 05:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They turn a blind eye to that |
| 05:16.07 | art3mis | that right there is enough to point at selective reasoning ;P |
| 05:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 05:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | For the curious, here's the complaint that the glider people filed: http://www.wowglider.com/legal/Complaint1.pdf |
| 05:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Paragraphs 52 to 57 outline a lot of the core info |
| 05:18.47 | art3mis | as far as i can see technically they are within thier legal limits to make glider |
| 05:19.07 | art3mis | it doesnt corrupt or reverse or get around any copyrights |
| 05:19.23 | art3mis | and sicne blizz has banned people for using it, it's certainly not untraceable |
| 05:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Paragraph 98 |
| 05:19.32 | Wobin | It's only against the TOS for the -user- to use it, yeah? |
| 05:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ... through 108 |
| 05:19.54 | art3mis | wobin correct |
| 05:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also against the TOS for the coder to code it, technically |
| 05:20.03 | art3mis | which means the onus is on the user not the retailer |
| 05:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But then you have to look at wowhead, etc |
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| 05:20.53 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: technically that is yes as well |
| 05:20.54 | art3mis | but he can still sell it if he chooses after the fact |
| 05:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 05:21.12 | art3mis | but they have no ability to shut him down for it and demand he give them his property |
| 05:21.12 | Wobin | Well it can be against the TOS for the coder to code it... |
| 05:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's the relevant DMCA section that he violated: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00001201----000-.html |
| 05:21.19 | Wobin | but who says they're -under- the TOS? |
| 05:21.23 | art3mis | yup |
| 05:21.46 | art3mis | although the argument can be that if you clicked yes to the agreement you're legally agreed |
| 05:21.47 | Wobin | s/under/bound by/ |
| 05:22.05 | art3mis | which has been proven a few times in court |
| 05:22.08 | Wobin | They could have hired people that have never played =) |
| 05:22.16 | Wobin | Just said: Here are the specs, you go write it |
| 05:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They also claim that the WoWGlider name, due to the "WoW" in it, was created in bad faith |
| 05:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why they changed to mmoglider.com I'd imagine |
| 05:22.45 | art3mis | oh btw |
| 05:22.53 | art3mis | where can i grind consortium rep? |
| 05:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Netherstorm |
| 05:23.06 | art3mis | killing.... |
| 05:23.12 | Wobin | etherials |
| 05:23.17 | art3mis | ahh okay |
| 05:23.24 | art3mis | wasnt sure if tht worked at revered still |
| 05:23.26 | Wobin | mostly for insignia |
| 05:23.29 | Wobin | and prison keys |
| 05:25.02 | art3mis | keep forgetting to get my free bag o gems ;P |
| 05:25.26 | art3mis | wobin |
| 05:25.32 | art3mis | wanna do me a favour |
| 05:25.46 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/myuf.jpg |
| 05:26.08 | art3mis | go merge ghud, onscreen health and the 3d model display addon into a single uf for me ;P |
| 05:28.38 | Shirik | you know what |
| 05:28.43 | Shirik | C++ should have a ->= operator |
| 05:30.22 | Shirik | self = self->add(data, 4); can become self->=add(data,4) |
| 05:44.58 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 05:45.12 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk *riiiiight) |
| 05:45.34 | Thunder_Child | (* |
| 05:54.20 | Wobin | art3mis: Lemme think about that for a bit. |
| 05:54.22 | Wobin | Okay. |
| 05:54.23 | Wobin | No. |
| 05:56.11 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Wobin, i wouldnt mind seeing it |
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| 06:03.38 | Wobin | Well volunteered, Thunder_Child! |
| 06:03.55 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, good, i'm glad your willing to do it then |
| 06:04.28 | Wobin | Oh I have no problem overseeing your work. |
| 06:04.42 | Wobin | Go send me your work and I'll comment on it! |
| 06:05.35 | Thunder_Child | yes, but i have to have work in the first place for you to oversee it |
| 06:07.01 | Wobin | Well? |
| 06:07.02 | Wobin | Chopchop |
| 06:07.04 | Wobin | get to it |
| 06:07.41 | Thunder_Child | am..it's only going to take about 2-4 yrs |
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| 06:25.34 | Guillotine | can PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD ever occur before addons are finished loading? |
| 06:26.32 | Guillotine | also, please bump http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288041408&sid=1 :P |
| 06:26.47 | Furl | Again? lol] |
| 06:27.09 | Furl | Oh, and no, UI is always before World entry I believe? |
| 06:27.18 | Furl | Way it looked to me |
| 06:27.30 | Guillotine | yes :( the UI forums are now too full of the "what addon is this?" "Can I have a WoW map editor?" posts and ones that Slouken should see are bumped down |
| 06:27.46 | Guillotine | yah, thats what I thought, but wasn't sure if there were exceptions I should prepare for |
| 06:28.11 | Guillotine | bleh, I'll just stealth bump |
| 06:29.03 | Furl | Bumpéd |
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| 06:34.40 | Guillotine | ty much <3 |
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| 06:48.29 | Furl | Yuh huh |
| 06:48.35 | Furl | np |
| 06:48.37 | Furl | :P |
| 07:00.56 | art3mis | when yer near the etherium base, where's the closest repair place? |
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| 07:01.19 | Thunder_Child | in netherstorm? |
| 07:01.27 | art3mis | yeah the biodome right? |
| 07:01.36 | Thunder_Child | prolly... |
| 07:01.51 | Thunder_Child | that or where TK is |
| 07:02.28 | art3mis | bah |
| 07:02.57 | art3mis | booo opened a prison and get a bop ring that is useless to me |
| 07:03.16 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 07:03.57 | art3mis | so at revered you get a bag of gems once a month with greens and exhalted you get blues? |
| 07:04.08 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:04.46 | Thunder_Child | i thought it started one below revered |
| 07:06.19 | art3mis | possible |
| 07:06.25 | art3mis | i never noticed til i was revered |
| 07:14.13 | Thunder_Child | i love the rain, just wish it was harder |
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| 07:22.59 | Thunder_Child | "here comes the rain again fallin on my head like a..." |
| 07:24.24 | Cairenn|afk | "new emotion" |
| 07:26.33 | Thunder_Child | AH HAH...you are NOT sleeping |
| 07:26.45 | Cairenn|afk | lol, took you long enough |
| 07:26.54 | Thunder_Child | isnt it also, like a memory |
| 07:27.01 | Cairenn|afk | nope |
| 07:27.04 | Cairenn|afk | new emotion |
| 07:27.56 | Cairenn|afk | actually ... |
| 07:28.02 | Thunder_Child | into your ...something...magic... |
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| 07:28.08 | Cairenn|afk | yup, memory, then new emotion |
| 07:28.44 | Thunder_Child | yay..my years of choir werent wasted |
| 07:29.27 | Thunder_Child | ofc, we never got to sing such cool songs as that |
| 07:30.29 | Wobin | talk to me... |
| 07:30.32 | Wobin | like lovers do.... |
| 07:30.48 | Wobin | (doowop doowop) |
| 07:30.52 | Thunder_Child | into your ocean is something in you... |
| 07:32.10 | Thunder_Child | now this song is totaly stuck in my head |
| 07:39.50 | Cairenn|afk | here Thunder_Child |
| 07:39.52 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM |
| 07:40.40 | Thunder_Child | oh yea, i love that |
| 07:40.44 | Thunder_Child | and the song ofc |
| 07:40.47 | bleeter | Do you know the Muffin Man? |
| 07:40.52 | Thunder_Child | lies Cairenn|afk, lies |
| 07:41.29 | Cairenn|afk | nope, no lies - had a dozen rows left to finish off the hat I was working on, completed them, now I can sleep |
| 07:42.21 | art3mis | i want a toque ;( |
| 07:42.37 | Thunder_Child | the lies part was "goes to bed" |
| 07:43.28 | bleeter | gnight Cairenn|afk |
| 07:51.10 | Guillotine | anybody know of any non-ace addons that make a minimap icon via Lua that I can look at? |
| 07:51.44 | Guillotine | or even a non-ace addon that makes a minimap icon :P |
| 07:51.51 | Thunder_Child | like DBM? |
| 07:51.52 | Guillotine | oh, I got it |
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| 07:59.59 | Shirik | so like... my program was working fine. then I said to myself, "you know, some others might need admin privileges to make this work" so I set it up so that it requests admin elevation when running |
| 08:00.06 | Shirik | apparently.... it doesn't work as an administrator -_- |
| 08:00.12 | Shirik | first time I've ever seen something like this >< |
| 08:00.15 | Shirik | works fine with normal permissions |
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| 08:00.31 | Shirik | I really need to go to bed |
| 08:00.55 | cncfanatics | Shirik, I just woke up :) |
| 08:01.00 | Shirik | dude |
| 08:01.03 | Shirik | have you ever seen anything like this? |
| 08:01.08 | Shirik | (03:58:58) (Shirik) so like... my program was working fine. then I said to myself, "you know, some others might need admin privileges to make this work" so I set it up so that it requests admin elevation when running |
| 08:01.08 | Shirik | (03:59:05) (Shirik) apparently.... it doesn't work as an administrator -_- |
| 08:01.08 | Shirik | (03:59:11) (Shirik) first time I've ever seen something like this >< |
| 08:01.08 | Shirik | (03:59:15) (Shirik) works fine with normal permissions |
| 08:01.39 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I'm drunk or what |
| 08:03.57 | Iriel | I've encountered programs that dont run as root before |
| 08:06.09 | bleeter | aye |
| 08:06.38 | bleeter | man, I swear Wine's 0.9.47 OGL rendering is better than previous, can't put my finger on it tho |
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| 08:08.00 | art3mis | shirik on a winders machine or a nix |
| 08:08.55 | art3mis | if you've got apparmour installed(as most do default) it wont let any program request a higher priv on it's own, if you suid root it, it could function that way but thats just a bad idea |
| 08:10.54 | Furl | Hello IRC |
| 08:10.59 | Furl | Good bye IRC |
| 08:12.16 | Shirik | o.o |
| 08:13.07 | Thunder_Child | anyone know anything about CS:S hacks? |
| 08:13.19 | Shirik | they suck, get some real skill :P |
| 08:13.21 | Shirik | that's about all I know |
| 08:13.32 | Thunder_Child | meh... trying to tell if some people are hacking |
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| 08:15.06 | Shirik | I know the internals of how VAC works, that's about it |
| 08:15.12 | Shirik | but suffice to say, in most cases, no, they're not |
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| 08:22.54 | Fisker- | If one have crashes that do not genereate the "send to blizzard" crash report tool then where can you send them? |
| 08:23.15 | cncfanatics | forums I guess |
| 08:23.35 | Fisker- | EU forums suck |
| 08:23.41 | |Pixel| | which is probably an alias for "black hole" |
| 08:23.43 | Fisker- | not to mention i can't attach stuff |
| 08:23.52 | |Pixel| | (which is in turn another alias for "your ass") |
| 08:24.12 | Fisker- | i get an Error #0 with addons installed on the PTR |
| 08:24.22 | Fisker- | something with texture rendering |
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| 08:24.36 | |Pixel| | interesting... somehow |
| 08:24.36 | |Pixel| | :P |
| 08:25.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, statisticly our server has a very highly skilled player base, enough so that when we go to other servers we place in the top 1% and or are accused of hacking, so i know what very good skill is |
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| 08:27.24 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/b3f66f9c4765a76e990514e9cfde859237924986/welcomeibm.jpg |
| 08:31.04 | Shirik | Kaso? |
| 08:31.13 | Kaso | Shirik ? |
| 08:31.17 | Shirik | that confused me >< |
| 08:31.51 | Kaso | Irony my fried, irony |
| 08:34.39 | Shirik | yeah still not getting it but oh well |
| 08:34.43 | Shirik | It's probably before my time or something |
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| 08:36.29 | Kaso | Well its Apple (slightly sarcastically) welcoming IBM to the PC market, where they have already been for years. However IBM PCs would eventually become the standard (all "PC"s today are IBM Compatible) and Apple would become a minor minor retailer |
| 08:42.58 | Fisker- | "HAHHAHAHA" |
| 08:43.00 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 08:43.03 | Fisker- | forgot |
| 08:43.06 | Fisker- | apple ain't funny |
| 08:43.16 | Kaso | I found it funny :< |
| 08:43.26 | Shirik | Kaso! |
| 08:43.28 | Shirik | do you know C++? |
| 08:43.34 | Kaso | Not really |
| 08:43.38 | Shirik | =( |
| 08:43.51 | Kaso | I know a tiny bit, but im still learning. |
| 08:43.56 | Shirik | ehm |
| 08:44.10 | Shirik | do you know how to modify one character in the middle of a file? |
| 08:45.09 | Kaso | roughly yes, hang on lemme check my notes |
| 08:45.22 | Thunder_Child | i presume you dont mean manually |
| 08:46.12 | Shirik | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 08:46.12 | purl | installs PocketPC on Thunder_Child's PDA |
| 08:46.17 | Shirik | I already did it manually |
| 08:46.22 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 08:46.24 | Shirik | I'm trying to make it automated via an executable program now >< |
| 08:46.43 | art3mis | oh i had the best question the other day |
| 08:46.47 | art3mis | speaking of pdas |
| 08:47.21 | Kaso | So assuming you're using the windows api, CreateFile() to get a handle to your file, SetFilePointer() to move to the correct byte in the file then WriteFile() with a single charater. |
| 08:47.24 | Kaso | Something like that. |
| 08:47.59 | Shirik | trying to use standard functions actually >< |
| 08:48.03 | Shirik | std::fstream |
| 08:48.04 | Kaso | darn |
| 08:48.12 | Kaso | then i dont know im just using the windows api atm :< |
| 08:48.13 | Shirik | but |
| 08:48.16 | Shirik | I might do that instead :/ |
| 08:48.25 | art3mis | one of my clients has blackberrys, and since they subscribe to a hosted exchange mail from outlook to outlook never leaves the internal exchange box to get delivered to thier blackberry.. i suggest sicne thier blackberrys were 4 years old they go buy windows mobile phones. 1st assumption by them was that each phone was $4k, corrected that but then they asked me is the windows mobile phone would work 100$ with exchange. |
| 08:48.29 | Shirik | I can still leave my validation code using standard so I don't have to rewrite it |
| 08:48.47 | art3mis | its not feasible btw for them to get thier own exchange server+BES for 3 people ;P |
| 08:49.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://wowi.pastey.net/75235 ? |
| 08:49.21 | Shirik | they're binary files |
| 08:49.32 | bleeter | hmm, apparently my PTR copies are thru |
| 08:49.42 | Shirik | so I'm not going near those << and >> operators |
| 08:49.54 | art3mis | i think that was by far the most frustrating combo ive ever had "well how do you know it will work 100%?" "well i own one and use it with exchange for one thing, secondly microsoft makes both things so im gonna bet that they did some work to make them behave properly together" |
| 08:50.02 | Shirik | they're also on the order of 50MB |
| 08:50.06 | Shirik | and I need to change about 8 bytes |
| 08:50.13 | Shirik | so I'd prefer not to copy the whole thing >< |
| 08:50.20 | Iriel | Shirik: |
| 08:50.36 | Iriel | Just open the file for update, seek to the spot you want, and write the new change |
| 08:50.53 | Iriel | or seek (using SEEK_SET) read, re-seek, and write |
| 08:50.56 | Shirik | that's what I did :/ but it just does it at the end |
| 08:51.27 | Shirik | here I made a simple test code you can look at |
| 08:51.29 | Shirik | maybe I'm being stupid |
| 08:51.39 | Thunder_Child | QFT? |
| 08:52.09 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/75236 |
| 08:52.22 | Shirik | this is not the program, of course, this is just a simple test case |
| 08:53.00 | Iriel | You have to open the file for update |
| 08:53.02 | Iriel | not just output |
| 08:53.26 | Iriel | Ignore me a bit, your main problem is that you said std::ios::app |
| 08:53.36 | Iriel | which means 'append' -- i.e. seek to the end before ANY write |
| 08:54.01 | Iriel | It's been a little while since I wrote C++ let me remind myself what the arguments are |
| 08:54.03 | Shirik | Right, but when I didn't have std::ios::app, it just killed my file |
| 08:54.05 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:54.06 | Thunder_Child | indeed "pp(append) Set the stream's position indicator to the end of the stream before each output operation." |
| 08:54.26 | Shirik | Yeah, originally I didn't have it. But when I didn't, it removed the entire contents (much like I'd expect ios::trunc to do) |
| 08:55.27 | art3mis | try ::replace ? |
| 08:56.03 | Shirik | the only options I saw in the documentation were ::in, ::out, ::app, ::trunc, ::binary |
| 08:56.16 | Thunder_Child | now i know i have no idea what i am saying but.... and ::ate |
| 08:56.20 | Iriel | ios::binary | ios::ate | ios::out | ios::in |
| 08:56.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iostream/fstream/fstream.html |
| 08:56.44 | Iriel | fstream file(filename, ios::binary | ios::ate | ios::out | ios::in ); |
| 08:58.13 | Shirik | o.o |
| 08:58.15 | Shirik | it seems to have worked |
| 08:58.23 | Shirik | that's odd that I need ios::in too :/ |
| 08:58.35 | wereHamster | (I don't know anything about C++), why ios:: and not fstream::? |
| 08:59.04 | Shirik | they're identical |
| 08:59.16 | Iriel | Convention I guess, they're inherited into fstream from ios |
| 08:59.19 | Shirik | they're all part of the base class basic_stream |
| 08:59.38 | Shirik | which probably goes back further I don't know how far :p |
| 08:59.46 | Shirik | I assume to ios like Iriel said :0 |
| 08:59.47 | Shirik | :) |
| 08:59.49 | wereHamster | ah.. inheritance.. |
| 09:01.16 | Iriel | sleep time, night |
| 09:01.43 | Thunder_Child | night Iriel |
| 09:01.43 | Shirik | night |
| 09:02.05 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i may take C++ next semester...or start with C...hmm... |
| 09:02.43 | Thunder_Child | not that it makes a diff |
| 09:03.04 | Shirik | you've programmed before yeah? |
| 09:03.08 | Shirik | so you shouldn't have much trouble either way |
| 09:03.20 | Shirik | There was a big debate at my school over C vs C++ in the first year courses though |
| 09:03.33 | Shirik | Debate over whether it's easier to learn proceedural or OO first |
| 09:03.38 | Thunder_Child | ehh...i have taken VB, did some purl on my own and have had a programing logic cource |
| 09:03.46 | Thunder_Child | err..perl* |
| 09:03.49 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 09:04.07 | Shirik | muahahaha |
| 09:04.09 | Shirik | it works flawlessly |
| 09:04.11 | Shirik | I love you Iriel |
| 09:04.26 | Thunder_Child | but when i said it doesnt make a diff is because it's not my major...or minor even |
| 09:04.32 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:04.35 | Shirik | what's your major? |
| 09:04.41 | Thunder_Child | mathimatics |
| 09:04.44 | Iriel | largely thank google, it helps a rusty memory majorly. |
| 09:04.52 | Thunder_Child | theoretical/applied |
| 09:04.53 | Shirik | I was on google for a very long time Iriel |
| 09:04.57 | Shirik | but perhaps it's just because it's 5AM here |
| 09:04.57 | Iriel | Skip C, Go straight to C++ |
| 09:05.09 | Iriel | Shirik: It does help a lot to know what you're looking for |
| 09:05.10 | Thunder_Child | what about C#? |
| 09:05.20 | Iriel | C++ is a 'better C' anyway, if you ignore all the OO stuff. |
| 09:05.26 | Iriel | And then you can go onto the OO stuff. |
| 09:05.39 | Shirik | Iriel, I know so many people who would kill you for that statement |
| 09:05.48 | Shirik | But I totally agree, I love C++ |
| 09:06.05 | Iriel | Shirik: Being 'a better C' was a design goal of C++, though I think C has largely caught back up now |
| 09:06.29 | Iriel | Shirik: It's been over 10 years since I was really hands-on with the C and C++ specs |
| 09:07.38 | Thunder_Child | "C++ Method Invocation All C++ methods when translated to C end up with an additional parameter. This might appear to be a big performance overhead. In reality however, the code in C will also have to access the common data structure via an array index or some other mechanism. " |
| 09:07.43 | Iriel | I found C++ deeply rewarding, but like any powerful tool, it's dangerous if used too violently in the hands of a novice. |
| 09:08.08 | Thunder_Child | http://www.eventhelix.com/RealtimeMantra/Basics/ComparingCPPAndCPerformance.htm |
| 09:08.16 | Iriel | These days I flit between perl and java for most tasks, depending on the task. |
| 09:08.32 | Shirik | C++ is rather easy to use, but it can blow up in your face too |
| 09:08.42 | Shirik | but at the same time, you get really close to hardware, which is nice |
| 09:08.44 | Shirik | at least I like it |
| 09:08.54 | Shirik | so it inherits the best of C and Java, imho |
| 09:09.02 | Shirik | C for its hardware-level capabilities |
| 09:09.07 | Shirik | Java for its OO |
| 09:09.13 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I think that article, while its heart is in the right place, is very bad |
| 09:09.35 | Thunder_Child | heh, maybe i should hold off on the C++ vs Java article then |
| 09:09.36 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: A big problem is that it's comparing C++ WITH USE OF C++ SPECIFIC FEATURES against C |
| 09:09.53 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: One of the things about C++ is you can NOT use those features, and not pay any overhead for them |
| 09:10.18 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Having said that, the point it makes (even that overhead probably isn't bad because in real software you're doing it all anyway, it's just explicit in C) is sound and I agree with it. |
| 09:10.47 | Iriel | Java has to be taken in the context of modern JVM's with stuff like JIT compilation to native code |
| 09:11.10 | Thunder_Child | hmm..this was writen 2k4...maybe a bit to old? |
| 09:11.48 | Iriel | Hm, probably not, but there's a lot of 'opinion' out there, it's all likely got merit but some people adopt a rather myopic view based on whatever THEY are using it for. (I'm probably guilty of that also) |
| 09:12.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html |
| 09:12.10 | Iriel | I find the Java Virtual Machine quite ugly in places (8 bit instruction set *shudder*) |
| 09:12.59 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: That article seems (at a quick skim) to be quite objective and reasonable |
| 09:13.11 | Thunder_Child | sides on java i think |
| 09:13.17 | Thunder_Child | could be wrong though |
| 09:13.24 | Iriel | and it makes points I was starting to hear in the late 90's about java performance (when used right) being equal (and sometimes faster) than C |
| 09:14.15 | Thunder_Child | i'm going to take as many programing classes as i can just for fun |
| 09:14.33 | Thunder_Child | besides, does go rather hand in hand with a math major |
| 09:14.47 | Iriel | I like java because (a) writing solid safe code is much less painful than it is in C++ (b) its ubiquitous and has great library support and (c) used properly it really is write once run many places (maybe not everywhere) |
| 09:15.05 | Iriel | I started out in math and ditched it after a year for CS |
| 09:15.28 | Thunder_Child | heh, i already have a BS in Networking |
| 09:15.30 | Iriel | largely because I liek the formal parts of logic more than analysis and remembering a gazillion annoying proofs about real numbers. |
| 09:15.33 | Thunder_Child | didnt care for it |
| 09:15.47 | art3mis | i dislike java cuz a) it generally looks ugly b) its VERY picky about what version you're using c) sometimes integration doesnt work 100% |
| 09:15.52 | Iriel | I went for the somewhat more academic 'Computer Science' |
| 09:16.00 | art3mis | i do like that its multi platform though |
| 09:16.11 | art3mis | but on the same note so is flash and shockwave |
| 09:16.13 | Iriel | a) Ugly? I find java very pleasing to read, indented right |
| 09:16.23 | art3mis | and both of those make me wanna kill kittens |
| 09:16.34 | art3mis | oh i meant ugly on the user side |
| 09:16.46 | bleeter | flash and shockwave ain't multiplatform :P |
| 09:16.48 | Iriel | b) It's not THAT picky unless you make really bad assumptions or are very unlucky about the libraries you picked. I am sad that Sun made some of the 1.4 versions kind of crippled due to a terrible XML library packaging decision tho |
| 09:16.58 | bleeter | dual platform, yes, tri-platform... kinda... ;) |
| 09:17.01 | Iriel | art3mis: Ah.. it doesn't have to be that ugly, but people are lazy. |
| 09:17.27 | art3mis | for the most part the only code i find ugly is stuff thats either text book style created OR completely without a distinctive "naming scheme or comments |
| 09:17.59 | art3mis | you know the text book type.. too many spaces insane indentation etc |
| 09:18.07 | Iriel | I'm a rabid proponent of checkstyle enforced consistency |
| 09:18.25 | bleeter | Iriel: you'd hate my Uni then |
| 09:18.29 | Iriel | And I like a fairly compact layout of code (spaces are good, insane numbers of newlines, not good) |
| 09:18.44 | bleeter | they insist we write to the standard they use (fair enough) but then give 1st years code that doesnt adhere to it |
| 09:18.59 | bleeter | and fail students who use their demonstrated standard, rather than what they want |
| 09:19.12 | bleeter | s/fail/take marks off/ |
| 09:19.14 | Iriel | bleeter: That may be something of a lesson |
| 09:19.44 | Iriel | I learned the 'do what the specs ask, not what you THINK they asked' lesson quite early on in my first year 8-) {Of course, in the real world you generally go back and question strange or limiting specs} |
| 09:19.48 | bleeter | Iriel: if it weren't a course for people with 0 programming experience.. |
| 09:20.46 | bleeter | oh, but they're saying their code uses their spec, 'coz none of the paperwork follows their spec either... all very disjoint. course is designed for folks with 0 coding experience. |
| 09:21.19 | Iriel | the bad coursework sounds like too little time or money or laziness. |
| 09:21.33 | Iriel | Maybe the instructors haven't discovered eclipse's format feature or checkstyle 8-) |
| 09:21.42 | bleeter | same thing happens in their UML assignments. the 'required' spec doesn't meet what they use in lectures or in tutorials. and if you ask them about it, they say 'student is responsible for own learning', so you go look up the official spec, which mateches nothing they use. |
| 09:22.14 | bleeter | "Eclipse is for 3rd year students only" |
| 09:22.45 | Iriel | I had a similar problem with a class on formal programming in Z, the coursenotes didn't really map to the assignments, which were somewhat vague.. It was really difficult to figure out what they wanted. |
| 09:22.45 | Iriel | heh |
| 09:23.01 | Iriel | Actually I think eclipse can be dangerous for those who dont know what they're doing, it's "too helpful" in places, and the inexperienced accept help when it's not needed. |
| 09:23.19 | Iriel | Until this last year I'd avoided it completely anyway, emacs FTW |
| 09:24.22 | bleeter | I was planning on avoiding it, but they were forcing us to use a thing called JCreator, which didn't work for me under Wine... just easier to do stuff at home in Eclipse, take it in to Uni load it up there and copy/paste where/when needed |
| 09:24.51 | Iriel | At work I refuse to force a single IDE |
| 09:25.27 | bleeter | I have the "choice" of Eclipse, JCreator or Notepad.exe :( |
| 09:25.34 | Iriel | We have a standard style, automated build processes and conventions, and standard style and test rules. The expectation is you can use whatever IDE you are comfortable with, but the automated build has to work. |
| 09:26.22 | Iriel | We do have a standard Eclipse configuration and install though as the 'default' setup for anyone who doesn't really have an IDE preference. |
| 09:26.34 | Iriel | Of course, i'm dealing with folks who hopefully already know the language fairly well. |
| 09:26.43 | bleeter | on the subject of Eclipse.. I best get back to my assignment. I've given Auctioneer and Gatherer a very quick explosion test on 2.3 :) |
| 09:26.43 | Iriel | Not those who're learning this stuff |
| 09:26.53 | bleeter | yes, well that's an advantage ;) |
| 09:28.04 | Iriel | The flip side is that some have been working programmers for a long time so maybe Java is new to them, and different from what they're used to. Which puts them in an interesting contrast with new students who've not been 'distracted' by what came before and leap into Java fresh and unencumbered. |
| 09:28.32 | Iriel | Generally though, good developers handle language transitions fairly smoothly. |
| 09:28.48 | Iriel | weak ones struggle greatly, no matter what the switch. |
| 09:28.54 | Shirik | I... hate... eclipse |
| 09:28.59 | Shirik | and it's all we have at school |
| 09:29.05 | Iriel | It just depends whether they have 'the programmer gene' |
| 09:29.12 | Iriel | Shirik: I hated the older versions |
| 09:29.25 | Shirik | I've grown really fond of netbeans now |
| 09:29.53 | Iriel | Shirik: And to be honest I had to use it exclusively for a week this time around to go from it being irritating to bearable. And probably 2 months to go from bearable to "dont want to live without" |
| 09:30.26 | Iriel | I find it's general "text editing" abilities a bit weak, but I've been using emacs, which is arguably one of the most powerful general editors out there, since 1991 |
| 09:30.45 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:30.53 | Shirik | I don't look for much text editing capabilities |
| 09:31.08 | Iriel | On the other hand, the language awareness and refactoring capabilities make eclipse invaluable, and they're nicely-enough integrated (and importantly - stable) these days that it's fairly pleasant once you know what you're doing. |
| 09:31.12 | Shirik | I just want something with a bit of intelligence behind me; something that can prod me along without getting in the way |
| 09:31.30 | Shirik | Netbeans has a very nice auto-complete system |
| 09:31.39 | Shirik | to the point where I don't even need to access the java API at all anymore |
| 09:31.44 | Iriel | I'm surprised you dont find eclipse good for that, it's got great 'you have a problem here' and does autocompletion very well if you set up your project. |
| 09:31.45 | Shirik | like online or whatever |
| 09:31.54 | Iriel | Eclipse does that too |
| 09:32.02 | Shirik | hm, eclipse has never done it well for me |
| 09:32.08 | Shirik | probably because my IT is a bunch of morons |
| 09:32.15 | Shirik | they probably broke something in it |
| 09:32.21 | Shirik | I've never tried it on my computer, admittedly |
| 09:32.26 | Iriel | Possibly, or becuase you've not forced yourself to figure out how to 'think eclipseishly' |
| 09:32.30 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:32.41 | Iriel | If you seriously get into java development, I have to say I recommend spending the time. |
| 09:33.03 | Shirik | I don't intend to get very deep with many languages |
| 09:33.07 | Iriel | 2 years ago I'd probably have suggested you avoid it, but now it's pretty good. |
| 09:33.20 | Shirik | I'm a computer engineer not a software engineer :) The majority of my code, admittedly, is assembly or C |
| 09:33.24 | Iriel | Having said that, I use emacs for eeverything else |
| 09:34.10 | Iriel | xml / perl / sh / C / C++ / lua / text files / etc...... |
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| 09:34.30 | Iriel | emacs definitely has a bit of a learning curve but it's very flexible and solid |
| 09:35.03 | Iriel | And it can do syntax highlighting and indentation for most of the languages I use |
| 09:35.06 | Iriel | which is a plus |
| 09:35.14 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:35.18 | Shirik | you really should go to sleep Iriel :) |
| 09:35.21 | Shirik | you said you were going like 30 minutes ago |
| 09:35.31 | Shirik | lack of sleep is bad |
| 09:35.33 | Iriel | I know, I messed my sleep schedule up earlier this week |
| 09:35.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:35.36 | Shirik | me too |
| 09:35.39 | Iriel | and i've been "off" ever since |
| 09:35.44 | Iriel | I blame Portal, somewhat |
| 09:35.50 | Iriel | though work was the reason last night |
| 09:36.32 | Shirik | rofl |
| 09:36.34 | Shirik | I love MSDN |
| 09:36.49 | Iriel | Which unfortunately reminds me I have to track down a really really really strange bug tomorrow, so I realy should sleep now. |
| 09:36.49 | Shirik | A warning in one of their APIs: "This is not recommended because your application may fail after January 18, 2038;" |
| 09:36.57 | Shirik | I'm really surprised they even put that in this far ahead >< |
| 09:41.42 | Kaso | January 18th seems like an odd date? is that some round-number since the epoch |
| 09:42.33 | Fisker- | bear boss is mean :( |
| 09:42.36 | Fisker- | 10/13 11:34:11.750 Nalorakk's Brutal Swipe hits Yomoo for 8889. (571 blocked) |
| 09:44.13 | zenzelezz | Shirik: don't diss it, remember how Y2K snuck up on everone |
| 09:44.14 | zenzelezz | everyone |
| 09:44.22 | Shirik | truth |
| 09:44.26 | Shirik | but 30 years? |
| 09:44.30 | Shirik | it didn't sneak up THAT much |
| 09:44.35 | Shirik | but ah well |
| 09:44.52 | Shirik | might as well start taking advantage of 64 bit anyway |
| 09:46.27 | Kaso | Why is time_t a signed int anyway? |
| 09:46.47 | Kaso | oh i guess if you want to represent time before 1970 |
| 09:46.49 | Kaso | makes sense. |
| 09:46.52 | Kaso | ignore me |
| 09:47.53 | zenzelezz | "ISO C defines time_t as an arithmetic type, but does not specify any particular type, range, resolution, or encoding for it" |
| 09:48.03 | zenzelezz | funky |
| 09:51.24 | Fisker- | NOOOO |
| 09:51.28 | Fisker- | 4% wipe on the bear :( |
| 09:53.44 | Kaso | If you get a mount, you realise you have to give it to dwarf hunter (http://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/e/6/3e621738b7fe09ccb101532a9336f033.jpg) |
| 09:54.07 | Fisker- | not alliance :) |
| 09:55.38 | Kaso | Well then, i guess an orc hunter might work. |
| 10:02.18 | Guillotine | you have to give it to a druid! You see a guy riding on a bear, puff of smoke, ZOMG just the bear |
| 10:03.38 | Kaso | hah, thats pretty cool idea |
| 10:05.25 | art3mis | whee 545 tickets |
| 10:05.31 | art3mis | totally getting my ram tomorrow |
| 10:07.54 | Guillotine | gf just got it last night on her dwarf rogue. looks awesome XD |
| 10:08.00 | Guillotine | though its so much cooler on horde |
| 10:08.25 | art3mis | <-- female undead priest |
| 10:08.28 | art3mis | shadow ram! |
| 10:08.53 | art3mis | to go with my shadow kodo and shadow windrider and shadow talbuk |
| 10:09.37 | art3mis | anda be pally |
| 10:10.08 | art3mis | booo |
| 10:10.18 | art3mis | they changed sickness |
| 10:10.24 | art3mis | not sure how long ago though |
| 10:10.32 | art3mis | it doesnt expire if you're not logged in |
| 10:10.48 | zenzelezz | resurrection sickness? |
| 10:10.54 | art3mis | yeah |
| 10:11.21 | art3mis | i logged out at 6mins did the barking quest and the keg quests sat around for the tapping of the keg and logged back on and it's still at 6mins |
| 10:13.28 | Fisker- | aw come on |
| 10:13.38 | Fisker- | when you reset the boss he respawns with trash :( |
| 10:15.37 | zenzelezz | I hate CDs... nothing like having your computer sounding like it's trying to launch into orbit using rotational force |
| 10:16.03 | art3mis | ive never had a loud cd/dvd rom |
| 10:16.14 | art3mis | my wifes fans do that though occasionally |
| 10:16.23 | art3mis | fwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 10:16.38 | art3mis | my machine makes not a sound |
| 10:16.39 | zenzelezz | it's just the speed they spin CDs at these days that does it |
| 10:16.46 | art3mis | <3 my zalman reservator |
| 10:17.11 | art3mis | it's good but bad |
| 10:17.31 | art3mis | if my monitor goes into power save im never 100% that it's still on |
| 10:18.33 | Kaso | zenzelezz, thats an awesome way of putting it |
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| 11:12.33 | Adys | so i just found out npcs can have like, 12.5 health |
| 11:14.05 | zenzelezz | how so? |
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| 11:22.37 | Adys | Ward of Laze |
| 11:22.42 | Adys | this totem has 12.5 health |
| 11:22.54 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/n2337 |
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| 11:23.55 | nevcairiel | how can you measure 12.5 health if you cant do half dmg? |
| 11:23.56 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 11:25.07 | Adys | by doing 1 dmg 12 times :P |
| 11:25.35 | Adys | 13 times would have given -4%, 12 times gives 4% |
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| 11:38.22 | Fisker- | it's 13:37 :O |
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| 11:41.49 | nevcairiel | (13:38:19) (Fisker-) it's 13:37 :O <-- fail |
| 11:42.27 | cncfanatics | agree :o |
| 11:42.36 | cncfanatics | btw nevcairiel; how's ace3 going ? |
| 11:43.03 | nevcairiel | pretty good |
| 11:43.26 | cncfanatics | the DB lib wasn't complete from what I read ? |
| 11:43.32 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 11:43.38 | nevcairiel | i need to update the wiki :P |
| 11:44.00 | cncfanatics | ah hehe |
| 11:44.04 | cncfanatics | what still needs work then ? |
| 11:44.09 | nevcairiel | config |
| 11:44.23 | nevcairiel | and AceComm is not existant :P |
| 11:44.29 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 11:44.56 | cncfanatics | about config, what types of GUI's ur planning to support ? slashcommands & gui again I supose ? |
| 11:45.04 | nevcairiel | and dropdown |
| 11:45.16 | cncfanatics | ah |
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| 11:45.41 | nevcairiel | anyway, bbl, need to help re-paint the fence :P |
| 11:45.47 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 11:45.48 | cncfanatics | bye |
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| 12:10.05 | Fisker- | anyone know what to do with the lynx boss in zul'aman? |
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| 12:12.23 | cncfanatics | feed kittens to him |
| 12:12.31 | cncfanatics | he prefers emokittens ofc |
| 12:13.48 | Fisker- | 10/13 14:11:21.687 Halazzi's Saber Lash hits Yomoo for 15424. |
| 12:13.49 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 12:14.17 | mikma | bitchslepped to another galaxy |
| 12:14.22 | mikma | +tyops |
| 12:16.57 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 12:17.05 | Fisker- | just got a food vendor from the hexed frogs |
| 12:17.52 | Fisker- | and he had major resistance enchant on him |
| 12:19.27 | Maldivia | heh... arcane shot can dispel divine shield |
| 12:20.14 | mikma | what the?? |
| 12:20.31 | mikma | i hope that will be left in the release of 2.3 |
| 12:31.25 | Nom- | http://birdloversonly.blogspot.com/2007/09/may-i-have-this-dance.html |
| 12:31.49 | mikma | aww, i pasted that 2 days ago :( |
| 12:31.57 | Nom- | Maldivia: Anything can dispell Divine Shield if timed well |
| 12:32.28 | Fisker- | even mortal strike? |
| 12:32.36 | Nom- | Any dispell |
| 12:32.54 | Nom- | Purge, Dispel Magic, Devour Magic, anything else I can't think of atm |
| 12:33.10 | Nom- | Basically there's a lag between the buff going up and you actually becoming immune |
| 12:33.22 | Nom- | That's the window... and warlock pets can get in that window constantly |
| 12:33.24 | mikma | afaik, nothing can touch paladin bubbles |
| 12:33.58 | mikma | if he gets that baby up, oh it's up :P |
| 12:34.05 | Nom- | Except for priests |
| 12:34.07 | Fisker- | mass dispel can |
| 12:34.09 | mikma | and the lag-problem is fixed in 2.3 ^^ |
| 12:34.11 | Nom- | Mass Dispel > Bubble |
| 12:34.15 | Nom- | mikma: I hope so |
| 12:34.16 | Fisker- | and as said if timed right it can remove and spell steal bubbles |
| 12:34.19 | Fisker- | no it's not mikma |
| 12:34.21 | Fisker- | it can't be fixed |
| 12:34.28 | Fisker- | atleast that's whats blizzard have been saying for ages now |
| 12:34.44 | mikma | well now they are saying that it is? |
| 12:34.54 | Fisker- | never heard them say it |
| 12:35.00 | mikma | dum di dum ... |
| 12:35.31 | mikma | Client spell cast requests are now sent to the server even if your player is already casting another spell. This eliminates the need for /stopcasting in macros to compensate for latency. <- ain't it this basicly? |
| 12:36.01 | Fisker- | no it's not |
| 12:36.09 | Fisker- | has absolutely nothing to do with that |
| 12:36.18 | mikma | Nom-: and what, mass dispel can rip out paladin bubble? |
| 12:36.22 | Fisker- | yes |
| 12:36.38 | mikma | well ain't that a bug then |
| 12:36.48 | Fisker- | no |
| 12:36.51 | Fisker- | it was intended to do that |
| 12:36.58 | Fisker- | was the selling point of the spell |
| 12:38.12 | Fisker- | zul'aman is great fun though |
| 12:38.34 | Fisker- | a shame the instance objective is to complete it as fast as possible |
| 12:38.50 | Nom- | Well, this is the bug that currently happens on live... |
| 12:38.56 | Nom- | You gain Divine Shield. |
| 12:39.03 | Nom- | Somepriest dispells your Divine Shield |
| 12:39.13 | mikma | "This dispel is potent enough to remove Magic effects that are normally undispellable." |
| 12:39.17 | Nom- | Somewarrior's Mortal Strike crits you for 2.5k |
| 12:39.19 | Nom- | You die. |
| 12:39.29 | Fisker- | OH SHI |
| 12:39.32 | Fisker- | PIME TARADOX |
| 12:39.33 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.58 | Nom- | I'm talking Dispel Magic though, not Mass Dispel |
| 12:40.11 | Nom- | You could subsitite somepriest for someshaman or somemage (spellsteal) |
| 12:40.28 | Fisker- | basically it's the vanish bug |
| 12:40.34 | Fisker- | where you get pulled out of vanish |
| 12:41.56 | buu | DS was a dumb idea =[ |
| 12:42.06 | buu | It was just seriously silly. |
| 12:42.20 | Fisker- | http://i21.tinypic.com/2uhpmjl.jpg |
| 12:42.23 | Fisker- | PIME TARADOX |
| 12:42.24 | Nom- | I'd be happy to lose it at this point if Blizz would fix our other trees |
| 12:42.54 | buu | Pah. |
| 12:42.58 | buu | What's broken? |
| 12:43.04 | Nom- | That's nothing, Fisker- ... I once saw THREE Doomwalkers! |
| 12:43.36 | Fisker- | it's pime taradox :( |
| 12:46.38 | Nom- | buu: Besides the entire ret tree ? |
| 12:47.52 | buu | Nom-: I don't understand.. what is this "ret tree" you speak of? |
| 13:02.23 | Nom- | I'm not going to start, buu :) |
| 13:11.05 | zenzelezz | my guild has a ret paladin that does respectable in raids |
| 13:11.25 | zenzelezz | he stays alive more than the arms warrior, but then again the warrior can't bubble |
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| 13:20.46 | Kirkburn | This is pretty cool - http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/10/12/ptr-230-mini-map-improvements/ |
| 13:26.07 | Lunessa | Neat. |
| 13:26.32 | Lunessa | Looks like many map and mini-map addons are going to need some overhauls. |
| 13:30.56 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 13:31.33 | Kirkburn | Confused by this line though "Quest-givers do not appear to show up on the mini-map if the quests they have are all grey to you. However, mousing over them in person does still show a yellow “!â€, so that’s something at least." |
| 13:31.47 | Kirkburn | Mousing over people shows a "!"? |
| 13:32.58 | zenzelezz | perhaps they show up on the minimap when your cursor is over them in the 3D world? |
| 13:33.08 | Kirkburn | Wridly unintuitive |
| 13:33.12 | Kirkburn | *weirdly |
| 13:35.01 | Lunessa | I suspect in the 3d World. |
| 13:35.37 | Lunessa | Probably to solve the ages old complaint "I want to fid quests in an area I've leveled past! N0-0bz!" |
| 13:35.59 | Kaydeethree | all NPCs if they serve a single purpose have a new mouse cursor if you hover over them |
| 13:36.08 | Kaydeethree | like merchants all used to have the bag cursor |
| 13:36.54 | Lunessa | I suspect that will be quite handy. Especially when you visit a new (to you) area. |
| 13:38.21 | lolinternet | hey |
| 13:38.36 | lolinternet | anyone here have the enGB PTR client, a lot of time and a faster internet connection? :X |
| 13:38.51 | lolinternet | s/faster/fast/ |
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| 13:42.55 | Kirkburn | Kaydeethree, that change was on the WotLK alpha :P |
| 13:43.04 | Kirkburn | Such cute little icons |
| 13:43.22 | Kirkburn | One of those changes that makes so much sense, it's weird not to have it |
| 13:43.26 | Kaydeethree | I honestly don't remember that. all I remember of wrath was wandering around the zone |
| 13:43.32 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:43.44 | Kirkburn | "Dammit, another invisible wall" |
| 13:43.47 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 13:44.12 | Kirkburn | Though, I was surprised at the number of quest hibs available |
| 13:44.15 | Kirkburn | *hubs |
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| 13:46.59 | Kirkburn | How's the PTR going Kaydeethree? Bug levels? |
| 13:47.27 | Kaydeethree | I'll have a report one way or the other when my toon shows up. it's finally showing successful on the char copy page, should be on the server itself in an hour or so |
| 13:49.14 | Kaydeethree | scratch that, heh. "You have earned the title ', Champion of the Naaru'." |
| 13:49.46 | zenzelezz | I heard that is inserted before your name, not after? Sounds silly that way :( |
| 13:51.22 | Kaydeethree | nope. my full title is "Knight-Champion Kaydethree, Champion of the Naaru" |
| 13:51.34 | zenzelezz | ah, guess they were wrong then |
| 13:51.53 | Kaydeethree | s |
| 13:51.59 | Kaydeethree | s/Champion/Captain/ |
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| 14:14.37 | Lunessa | I *hate* working support on weekends. |
| 14:15.30 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1152958239&sid=1 in befdore i get called a troll, even tho i am not trolling for once(yes, that's rare, i know :P) |
| 14:15.37 | sag_ich_nicht | s/befdore/before/ |
| 14:16.35 | Lunessa | You're trolling. The .sig makes it so. |
| 14:16.44 | sag_ich_nicht | heh. |
| 14:16.54 | Fisker- | holy isn't viable in 2.3 :P |
| 14:17.00 | sag_ich_nicht | it is, shut your mouth :P |
| 14:17.11 | sag_ich_nicht | the tiny nerf to BoL is just QQ material, not a nerf |
| 14:17.14 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:17.22 | Fisker- | "tiny" |
| 14:17.29 | Lunessa | It's like the entire purpose of your post was to sneak in the point "give me aggro reduction you wankers." :P |
| 14:17.35 | Fisker- | tiny as it may be though we're the 4th healer on the list |
| 14:17.46 | Fisker- | everyone ranks nr. 1-3 due to their buffs |
| 14:17.59 | Fisker- | which they technically did prior to this patch anyways |
| 14:18.11 | Fisker- | which is why it is MADNESS AND BLASPHEMY to nerf |
| 14:18.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- it's QQ, and i won't discuss it, sorry :O |
| 14:18.53 | Fisker- | so is your stuff |
| 14:19.02 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 14:19.05 | Fisker- | yes |
| 14:19.18 | sag_ich_nicht | i can mainheal every single 5 man instance as ret, with crappy gear that has still greens. |
| 14:19.23 | sag_ich_nicht | without buffing BoL |
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| 14:20.23 | Fisker- | right. |
| 14:20.43 | Fisker- | perhaps if you have a secondary healer or any 4 other members are so ridicolously geared then maybe |
| 14:20.49 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 14:20.54 | Fisker- | yes |
| 14:21.02 | sag_ich_nicht | we aren't talking about heroic, i mean the normal ones. :P |
| 14:21.10 | Fisker- | Paladin DPS is the best in the game |
| 14:21.20 | sag_ich_nicht | want me to make a fraps video to prove it? |
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| 14:22.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i now have 2 epics from karazhan because nobody wanted them, but they have no enchants(the gloves do, because it was free, but lol +15 str), and the weakest gems in them that exist for heal, and i did it before without those |
| 14:22.48 | sag_ich_nicht | paladin healing is a joke, because it's so damn easy, even if you aren't specced holy. |
| 14:24.01 | Fisker- | easy, sure |
| 14:24.04 | Fisker- | easy and useful, no. |
| 14:24.11 | Fisker- | easy and boring, yes. |
| 14:25.28 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. i know it's boring. because you have 1 heal. FoL. you don't need holy light 99% of the time, because if the tank gets crit hard? who cares, push another button, instant FoL crit for >9000! |
| 14:25.58 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:26.13 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i know. it's not >9000 |
| 14:26.17 | sag_ich_nicht | but it's still huge :X |
| 14:26.46 | Fisker- | probably around 2,7k with kz libram + bol |
| 14:26.58 | Fisker- | oh and a tank doesn't get critted hard |
| 14:27.03 | Fisker- | he just get hitted hard |
| 14:27.17 | Fisker- | mobs hit more frequent than one time each 2 minutes |
| 14:27.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:26] <Fisker-> probably around 2,7k with kz libram + bol <--i had a S2 equiped holy paladin crit me for 3.5k FoL last night, but maybe i've been so sleep depraved that i mixed up the numbers(NOT sarcasm) |
| 14:28.18 | Fisker- | get moar sleep |
| 14:29.16 | Fisker- | need more bagspace :( |
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| 14:41.44 | Wobin | I hate SH |
| 14:41.54 | Wobin | I hate that I have to run it to get revered HH |
| 14:44.30 | Kaso | stock up on honor tokens to get the +25% xp things to make it take less time |
| 14:44.35 | Kaso | 25% rep |
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| 15:01.53 | sag_ich_nicht | WHAT |
| 15:01.58 | sag_ich_nicht | http://wow.curse.com/articles/details/3367/ |
| 15:03.25 | mikma | THIS IS OUTRAGE! hogger is still elite! |
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| 15:06.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i am talking about the hunter deadzone kill |
| 15:07.56 | Cairenn|afk | art3mis: what are your two favourite colours? (preferably that coordinate) |
| 15:08.31 | zenzelezz | light pink and dark pink |
| 15:08.37 | mikma | "dark and black" |
| 15:09.18 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: that's what I'm betting on, for just about every single one of you in the room :p |
| 15:09.21 | sag_ich_nicht | what mikma said. |
| 15:09.35 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 15:09.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i lied |
| 15:09.43 | sag_ich_nicht | black and transparent. |
| 15:09.44 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 15:09.51 | mikma | Cairenn|afk: it's so dark and death. |
| 15:09.53 | sag_ich_nicht | oh oh oh and reflective |
| 15:10.03 | mikma | ¨å |
| 15:10.10 | mikma | whoa, thank you doggy |
| 15:10.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i want a haircolor that turns my hair either transparent or into a mirroring surface :( |
| 15:10.19 | sag_ich_nicht | (i'm serious btw.) |
| 15:10.21 | mikma | threw a toyduck on keyboard :D |
| 15:10.39 | sag_ich_nicht | -haircolor +hairdye |
| 15:10.39 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
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| 15:24.17 | Wobin | Actually I like green |
| 15:42.50 | Cairenn|afk | Wobin: that's the "dark" part :p |
| 15:43.05 | Cairenn|afk | dark green, dark blue, dark grey, and black |
| 15:46.08 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.x ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821 | "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome." - Isaac Asimov |
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| 15:52.27 | sysrage | i died my hair green when i was young. it looked like i had mold growing on my head |
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| 16:06.59 | Wobin | I never said dark green |
| 16:07.56 | Wobin | You could say that about any colour stated, since every colour has a 'dark' |
| 16:08.00 | zenzelezz | bright green is what a sore is to an eye... an eye sore |
| 16:20.12 | krka | "what is .... light urple?" |
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| 16:51.24 | dreamss | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/zulaman/za-consumables.jpg |
| 16:51.25 | dreamss | fun |
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| 17:04.28 | art3mis | sag_ich_nicht: hehe yeah i wanted cartoon silver(still do) |
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| 17:08.26 | art3mis | wobin: i think shes being semantically difficult since "light colours" are considered as red yellow orange, the "dark" colours hit green blue purple |
| 17:13.10 | the-golem | ?? |
| 17:14.47 | the-golem | "lightness" of color is dependant on luminosity, not hue, i thought |
| 17:15.51 | art3mis | depends on the lightness you're trying to describe |
| 17:16.08 | art3mis | throw enough white into it and everything is light and everything is dark |
| 17:16.28 | art3mis | hence the quotes, its more a wavelength of pure colour i suppose |
| 17:16.43 | the-golem | ah |
| 17:32.17 | Sixen | Apparently, Guilds don't work on the PTR. |
| 17:32.18 | Sixen | -_- |
| 17:32.40 | art3mis | guilds dont work on live why should ptr be different |
| 17:32.41 | art3mis | ;) |
| 17:35.11 | dreamss | lol |
| 17:35.16 | dreamss | what this guild thing |
| 17:35.17 | Sixen | heh |
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| 17:40.14 | art3mis | dreamss: its that thing you get 10 nobodies to sign and then kick once it's formed so you've got a second tag under your name and an extra channel you never use ;) |
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| 18:06.36 | foxlit | Tell me to qqmore: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1153438470&sid=1 |
| 18:07.25 | dreamss | qqmore |
| 18:08.38 | foxlit | But do read my thread, too :) |
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| 18:22.31 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 18:22.40 | Nom- | They're *trying* to fix mana regen in 2.3 |
| 18:22.42 | Nom- | So they claim |
| 18:22.53 | Nom- | So, foxlit, I don't think it's really a problem, working as intended |
| 18:23.43 | foxlit | I'm not really against the buff to Intensity |
| 18:23.57 | foxlit | Or Priest/Shaman talents :) |
| 18:24.21 | Lunessa | Is this going to be more Paladin QQ? |
| 18:24.22 | foxlit | I'm just saying that the change deprecates another talent, for another spec, far down the tree -- I don't think that's really intended |
| 18:24.46 | foxlit | Nah, I'm not a paladin :) |
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| 18:25.00 | Lunessa | Just checking. |
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| 18:25.39 | alestane | So I just ran into a funky hooking problem which I THINK I understand, wanted to run it by someone. |
| 18:26.21 | alestane | When a ContainerFrameItemButton is created, it sets its own .UpdateTooltip function to ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter. |
| 18:26.41 | alestane | I then hook ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter using hooksecurefunc. |
| 18:26.46 | sag_ich_nicht | woooooooo |
| 18:26.54 | sag_ich_nicht | aparently the sandbox is borked on 2.3 again |
| 18:27.11 | alestane | Does that frame's .UpdateTooltip point at the hooked function or the original function sans hook? |
| 18:27.14 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366678932&sid=1 |
| 18:27.14 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 18:27.41 | foxlit | alestane: run this: |
| 18:28.45 | foxlit | local a = "1:"; function f() a = a .. "f:"; end hooksecurefunc("f", function() a = a .. "h"; end); local t ={fp=f}; t.fp(); message(a); |
| 18:29.14 | foxlit | You may also move the table definition before hooksecurefunc if you're hooking it after it's been created. |
| 18:29.30 | alestane | Is this supposed to tell me the answer? |
| 18:29.46 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 18:30.03 | foxlit | If the hook is called, you'll get 1:f:h. If it's not, you'll get 1:f: |
| 18:30.54 | alestane | Have you done this before? |
| 18:31.22 | foxlit | No. |
| 18:34.02 | foxlit | alestane: a more direct answer: it you hook a function before it's assigned to somewhere, your hook will be called |
| 18:34.05 | alestane | Actually, just reasoning through the Lua says that "someButton.UpdateTooltip = CFIB_OnEnter; hooksecurefunc("CFIB_OnEnter". someFunc); print(someButton.UpdateTooltip == CFIB_OnEnter)" will yield false. |
| 18:34.25 | foxlit | If you hook a function after you assigned it somewhere, your hook will not be called |
| 18:35.58 | alestane | Which means I'm going to end up having to write the new function to the buttons' UpdateTooltip key, and pray like the dickens that this won't result in taint getting too widespread. |
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| 18:38.47 | sag_ich_nicht | hi |
| 18:38.56 | sag_ich_nicht | someone tell me the CVar that toggles the swearword filter |
| 18:39.04 | sag_ich_nicht | please :X |
| 18:39.08 | alestane | UIOptionsFrame.lua |
| 18:39.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 18:39.17 | foxlit | Why don't you just ook the .UpdateTooltip? |
| 18:39.20 | foxlit | *h |
| 18:40.23 | alestane | Hook ContainerFrameItemButton_OnLoad to hook ContainerFrameItemButton.UpdateTooltip? |
| 18:40.48 | alestane | I guess it would work, but it creates a new secure closure for every ContainerFrameItemButton. |
| 18:41.55 | alestane | NOt sure I see any way around that though, unless I want to take my chances with the taint. |
| 18:43.53 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
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| 18:45.30 | alestane | sag_ich_nicht: UIOptionsFrame.lua, line 59: UIOptionsFrameCheckButtons["PROFANITY_FILTER"] ={ index = 5, cvar = "profanityFilter" }; |
| 18:50.24 | Industrial | how do I put Berserking and Rapid Fire in a macro again? |
| 18:50.33 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.04 | alestane | looks like self.UpdateTooltip = ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter (post-hook) should be reasonably safe, it doesn't write anything that's likely to be communicable. |
| 18:54.26 | Industrial | nm |
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| 19:12.42 | KarlKFI | lol, 2.3 is trying to replace parts of Archaeologist |
| 19:13.10 | KarlKFI | they added Statusbar text options for all the unit frames and the experience bar and you can have them be #'s or % |
| 19:13.44 | sag_ich_nicht | is there a unitname for the MA? |
| 19:13.45 | alestane | Yep...I like it. I was just starting to write a taint-free replacemet for Archaeologist, and they saved me most of the trouble. |
| 19:13.54 | alestane | sag_ich_nicht: No. |
| 19:14.02 | KarlKFI | Archaeologist already is taint free |
| 19:14.08 | alestane | Um, no. |
| 19:14.26 | KarlKFI | then what does it taint? |
| 19:14.34 | alestane | It destroys the ability to click on a raid member's target in the stokc raid frames. |
| 19:15.00 | KarlKFI | ahh raid frames |
| 19:15.07 | KarlKFI | those have been so broken |
| 19:15.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:13] <alestane> sag_ich_nicht: No. <--that sucks. |
| 19:15.14 | KarlKFI | even without arch's help |
| 19:15.20 | sag_ich_nicht | something else is breaking my raidframes as well |
| 19:15.22 | sag_ich_nicht | tainting, that is |
| 19:15.26 | alestane | I think because they are considered TextStatusBars, and Arch hooks almost every function that those use. |
| 19:15.35 | sag_ich_nicht | then someone tell me a macro |
| 19:15.39 | sag_ich_nicht | that will /assist the MA |
| 19:15.51 | KarlKFI | most of the funcs are secure hooked |
| 19:16.00 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.08 | KarlKFI | figure out which one is tainting it and i'll give oyu a cookie |
| 19:16.39 | alestane | Yes, but a few aren't, and while I'm not sure how the taint is spreading from the ValueChanged and Update handlers to the MouseUp handler, it is some how. |
| 19:16.55 | alestane | I've narrowed it down to two. |
| 19:17.29 | alestane | You're the author right? |
| 19:17.32 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 19:18.04 | alestane | Can you make it so when it shows party members' buffs, it sorts any you cast on them to the front and displays the lime left over them, like the Blizzard target frame? |
| 19:18.10 | alestane | lime = time |
| 19:18.38 | KarlKFI | it's possible |
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| 19:19.52 | KarlKFI | i liek the new quest cursor and minimap icons |
| 19:20.09 | alestane | Trying to decide what I think of the new minmap. |
| 19:20.21 | KarlKFI | ooo and they implimented TrackerToggle! |
| 19:20.50 | KarlKFI | wow and added default trakcing of npc's |
| 19:21.25 | alestane | I suppose some people will like it, but it seems like needlessly dumbing down the game to me. |
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| 19:24.12 | alestane | I did actually track it down to the fact that you're pre-hooking TextStatusBar_UpdateTextString. |
| 19:24.26 | alestane | Not sure how the taint spreads from there to the OnMouseUpHandler. |
| 19:24.35 | alestane | But that's the only possible vector. |
| 19:25.01 | KarlKFI | does it not taint if you unhook that? |
| 19:26.10 | alestane | I didn't get as far as checking that, but I basically looked up all code that came anywhere near the raid frames...only two functions that Arch touched were on the list, and the other one I eliminated. Let me see if I can go test it. |
| 19:29.58 | alestane | Have to patch WoW on the other computer first. |
| 19:37.28 | art3mis | well that was ass tastic |
| 19:37.37 | art3mis | turn in 5 keys i get 500 rep |
| 19:37.43 | Maldivia | hmm... hunters without a dead-zone... |
| 19:37.47 | art3mis | had i used the keys i would have gotten 1250 |
| 19:38.04 | art3mis | Maldivia: yeah that "fix" is kind of irritating for pvp ;) |
| 19:40.26 | Maldivia | will offset especially mages vs hunters... |
| 19:40.29 | alestane | KarlKFI: Well, it's a synergy taint. |
| 19:40.51 | alestane | If I run ONLY Archaeologist, the taint doesn't happen. |
| 19:41.03 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 19:41.30 | alestane | If I run other addons and unhook that one function (the backbone of archaeologist's job), It doesn't taint. |
| 19:41.49 | alestane | If I run those same other addons and disable Archaeologist entirely, it doesn't taint. |
| 19:42.02 | art3mis | so arch love the taint |
| 19:42.05 | KarlKFI | figure out which addon you have to run to cause tant with arch |
| 19:42.07 | art3mis | ;) |
| 19:42.15 | alestane | Did you see the taint logging feature they're including in 2.3? |
| 19:42.38 | KarlKFI | heard of it, haven't seen it in action. i'm on the ptr right now |
| 19:42.49 | KarlKFI | haven't been ina raid yet |
| 19:42.51 | alestane | I don't think it's enabled in this PTR build. |
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| 19:43.42 | alestane | It's not actually generating logs. |
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| 19:44.44 | alestane | Narrowing it down now... |
| 19:48.39 | alestane | Ace2 appears to cause the conflict, but there appears to be another addon that also causes it. |
| 19:50.27 | alestane | Cartographer, although it is no longer an Ace mod, also appears to do it. AFAICT, as long as I disable EVERY addon that has anything to do with Ace2 or an Ace2 Library, Archaeologist does not taint the status bars. |
| 19:50.51 | alestane | The Rock libraries do not cause it, they are running right now. |
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| 19:52.21 | alestane | Archaeologist + Ace2 somehow spreads the taint from the hooked handlers to the OnMouseUp Handler. |
| 19:52.52 | KarlKFI | what part of Ace2 |
| 19:53.04 | KarlKFI | the libraries by themselves? |
| 19:53.08 | alestane | And it specifically has something to do with the Archaeologist pre-hook on TextStatusBar_UpdateTextString. |
| 19:53.23 | alestane | Even running the Ace2 Library with no Ace2 Add-ons does it. |
| 19:53.54 | KarlKFI | just "AceLibrary" ? |
| 19:54.15 | alestane | It says "Lib:Ace2" in my add-ons dialog. |
| 19:54.40 | KarlKFI | AceLibrary: ## Title: Lib: AceLibrary |
| 19:55.00 | alestane | Let me narrow it down, I'm running a compund library. |
| 20:00.24 | alestane | Of course, if I run JUST Archaeologist and the Ace2 lib, it doesn't happen. |
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| 20:01.28 | alestane | Iriel! |
| 20:01.41 | Iriel | afternoon |
| 20:03.03 | alestane | I'm trying to debug for Karl how Ace2 spreads taint from Archaeologist to the stock raid frames only when unrelated addons are present. |
| 20:03.18 | alestane | I'm seriously wishing that the new tainLog was up and running right now. |
| 20:03.49 | Iriel | You could write something to loop over the global environment each frame, check the taint of each symbol, compare it against a list from the last run, and output changes |
| 20:04.06 | Iriel | Though that will only catch 'top-level' global taint |
| 20:04.11 | Iriel | Which may or may not be your issue |
| 20:04.21 | alestane | Didn't CKKnight or someone already do that? |
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| 20:11.15 | alestane | Anyone remember if Recount is a CKKinght addon? |
| 20:11.33 | alestane | sp* |
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| 20:23.00 | alestane | No it's not doing it anymore. |
| 20:23.00 | Kalroth | alestane: it isn't |
| 20:23.21 | alestane | Couldn't member if it would have been Rock'd or not. |
| 20:25.57 | KarlKFI | alestane: I'm heading out. if you find something email me at karlkfi@cosmosui.org |
| 20:26.11 | alestane | Well, Now I've enabled every addon I have and it's stopped doing it. |
| 20:26.16 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 20:26.25 | Esamynn | haha |
| 20:26.45 | alestane | But will do. If they get the taintLog running I'll run it through that too. |
| 20:26.58 | alestane | But it just did it. |
| 20:27.37 | KarlKFI | well, if it's that sporadic i dot feel bad about not having known about it |
| 20:27.57 | alestane | My bet guess ATM is that is has something to do with Ace2, Rock and Arch all running at once. |
| 20:29.22 | art3mis | if i remember right xperl or ghud had a line about fixing the taint from arch |
| 20:29.48 | art3mis | lemme go check i just saw it last night |
| 20:32.00 | art3mis | oh im wrong it was for it reshowing the blizz frames |
| 20:32.05 | art3mis | UnregisterUnitWatch(self)-- Should stop Archaeologist from re-showing target frame |
| 20:35.00 | alestane | Iriel: Do you know if the UI team knows about this issue where the UI toolkit is extracting outdated files from the PTR build? |
| 20:35.07 | Iriel | Yes |
| 20:35.18 | Iriel | I know for sure slouken is aware of it |
| 20:35.44 | alestane | At first I thought that someone had just clicked the wrong version in the SVN when they did the PTR build, but in-game it works fine. |
| 20:36.00 | alestane | It's just the files I get when I pull them out that are weird. |
| 20:37.11 | alestane | Okay, as long as it's a known issue...I'm sort of figuring we're going to get another PTR patch within a couple days, hoping that fixes it. |
| 20:40.34 | alestane | I think this issue I'm having with Arch may be related to the issue Baudzilla was talking about, where the mere presence of an insecure handler taints apparently unrelated code. |
| 20:42.07 | Iriel | That shouldm't happen, event dispatches are very well taint-isolated |
| 20:42.24 | alestane | Did you read his thread? |
| 20:42.26 | Iriel | Though if you ASSIGN TO this/event/argX then you may cause problems |
| 20:42.29 | Iriel | I doubt it |
| 20:42.46 | alestane | THe behavior he was describing at the end was very strange. |
| 20:42.53 | Iriel | Do you have a link? |
| 20:43.16 | Iriel | Oh, there is is.. I did read it some time ago |
| 20:44.02 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2043952003&sid=1#14 |
| 20:44.07 | alestane | That post in particular. |
| 20:44.51 | Iriel | Hm, It's possible that OnSizeChanged in particular has a taint prolem |
| 20:44.54 | Iriel | problem. |
| 20:45.03 | Iriel | As in, isolated bug rather than systematic 'wierdness' |
| 20:45.34 | alestane | Could be...but the one I'm running into with Arch, there should be NO WAY that Arch is tainting the OnMouseUp handler. |
| 20:45.47 | Iriel | I do have a problem with his code example, this code if run never creates a frame |
| 20:45.55 | Iriel | does he address that in the thread elsewhere? |
| 20:46.05 | Iriel | Oh, I see the hook now |
| 20:46.07 | Iriel | Never mind 8-) |
| 20:48.26 | alestane | issecurevariable returns 1 for secure, right? |
| 20:48.32 | Iriel | right |
| 20:48.43 | Iriel | It return 1 or nil,SourceOfTaint |
| 20:50.15 | alestane | I know I can look this up somewhere, but what can I /raun to get back the name of the frame under the mouse? |
| 20:50.23 | alestane | * /run |
| 20:50.52 | zenzelezz | GetMouseFocus():GetName() IIRC |
| 20:51.14 | Iriel | or if you have devtools installed /dtframestack |
| 20:51.50 | alestane | I do have that installed. |
| 20:51.53 | zenzelezz | preferable of course, but not a /run |
| 20:52.25 | alestane | But I don't know DevTools real well yet. |
| 20:52.36 | alestane | Okay, the status bar I'm trying to click is secure. |
| 20:53.50 | Iriel | zenzelezz: I know, but you already covered the /run 8-) |
| 20:53.50 | Iriel | zenzelezz: and framestack is a bit more powerful |
| 20:54.44 | alestane | Is there a way, given an anonymous frame script closure, to determine if that closure is tainted or not? |
| 20:55.45 | Iriel | Hm, not easily, no. |
| 20:55.49 | alestane | or a table key? |
| 20:56.01 | Iriel | Doesn't issecure take a table and a key? |
| 20:56.09 | Iriel | issecurevariable(table, key) ? |
| 20:56.13 | alestane | I think it does, thanks. |
| 20:56.15 | Iriel | Or is that just hooksecurefunc? |
| 20:56.47 | Iriel | (I'm asking too many questions I know, my short term mental cache got overrun with work stuff and i'm refilling it with wow details again) |
| 20:57.09 | alestane | No, I think they both work that way. |
| 20:57.35 | alestane | They really ask about a table key, and if you don't supply it they assume you mean the environment table. |
| 20:57.43 | Thunder_Child | get a larger cache |
| 20:57.45 | Industrial | I just ran 13 beer runs :-) |
| 20:57.48 | Iriel | closures are a bit tricky with taint |
| 20:58.25 | alestane | Well, it's not the handler itself that's getting tainted. |
| 20:58.30 | Iriel | They're the only object that has its own 'internal' taint as well as reference taint |
| 20:58.54 | alestane | Somehow Archaeologist tainted the .unit key of my character button. |
| 20:58.56 | Iriel | The script reference probably isn't tainted, but the closure itself may in fact be |
| 20:59.41 | Iriel | Does Archaeologist hang any frames or handlers off of the character button? |
| 21:00.08 | alestane | TargetUnit(this:GetParent().unit.."target"); should really be TargetUnit(this:GetParent():GetAttribute('unit').."target"); |
| 21:00.18 | alestane | I don't thik so but Karl would have been the one to ask. |
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| 21:01.15 | alestane | The frame itself is secure but its .unit key is not. |
| 21:01.35 | Iriel | That'd be expected if insecure code set the key |
| 21:03.12 | alestane | So the question is, where did the key get set? |
| 21:03.43 | Thunder_Child | heh, just as i looged i heard someone say "every time i try to open my sct menu it crashes" |
| 21:03.54 | alestane | And while you're here, if insecure code sets a key to nil, and secure code sets that same key of that same table to a new value, it that value tainted? |
| 21:04.54 | Esamynn | no |
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| 21:05.30 | Esamynn | but the secure could MIGHT get tainted by the nil if it reads it before setting the new value |
| 21:05.55 | Esamynn | depends on whether the table as been resized or not since the nil was set |
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| 21:10.58 | alestane | this:SetStatusBarColor()? |
| 21:11.29 | alestane | THat shouldn't be able to taint this.unit, should it? |
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| 21:13.23 | Industrial | Question; |
| 21:13.32 | Industrial | emerald or turquoise raptor? |
| 21:14.10 | Industrial | http://wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.8588#2625 |
| 21:14.17 | Industrial | http://wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.8591#58216 |
| 21:14.31 | alestane | Is there an inquiry to find out which events a frame is registered for? |
| 21:14.46 | Industrial | im leaning towards turqoise :3 |
| 21:16.09 | alestane | I'm not seeing one. |
| 21:20.11 | alestane | I'm really wishing we could just outlaw "this" and make Bliz use aprameters like the rest of us. |
| 21:20.15 | alestane | sp* |
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| 21:23.12 | MentalPower | alestane: theres no way to query what events a frame is registered for, but you can find out if a frame is registered for a specific event, or to find out all the frames that have registered for a specific event |
| 21:23.25 | alestane | As of 2.3 |
| 21:23.34 | alestane | I'm testing this on live. |
| 21:23.58 | MentalPower | then you already know the answer :) |
| 21:26.25 | Cairenn | art3mis: Dec 5 -> ? |
| 21:26.42 | Cairenn | but you won't see me on the 5th |
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| 22:00.53 | Lunessa | And on the pedestal these words appear: `My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!' Nothing beside remains. ~Ciao tutti |
| 22:01.44 | Thunder_Child | (in the voice of lenord nemoy) |
| 22:02.01 | Thunder_Child | leonard nimoy* |
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| 22:39.45 | foxlit | In case some of you didn't catch the latest PA: |
| 22:39.50 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 22:43.42 | dreamss | word |
| 22:49.45 | Maldivia | hehe, nice one... and yes, having the portal device could be find :) |
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| 22:58.20 | art3mis | could be find? |
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| 23:02.01 | art3mis | so i ahve a question |
| 23:02.07 | art3mis | ya know those ethereum jails? |
| 23:02.40 | art3mis | does each one have a named mob in it? (so i dont waste keys) or should i wait to open another one after i kill the first one |
| 23:03.04 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 23:03.53 | Thunder_Child | although i still havent figured out what to do with the cards |
| 23:03.55 | foxlit | Random |
| 23:04.13 | foxlit | You hand cards back to the quest NPC |
| 23:04.17 | foxlit | Giving you consortium rep |
| 23:06.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Thelyna (n=burp@60-234-130-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 23:09.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc2-cove7-0-0-cust20.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:10.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge GofG (n=Gofg@user-0ce2nbu.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:22.02 | GofG | I think hunters should be able to carry more than one quiver |
| 23:22.15 | GofG | but the haste effect should be lowered for every quiver they have |
| 23:22.25 | GofG | like second quiver only does 5%, third only gives 2%, etc |
| 23:28.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dylanm (n=dylanmor@c-69-241-235-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:28.58 | GofG | No one likes my idea :( |
| 23:29.35 | Thunder_Child | more like this chanel is mostly dead on the weekends |
| 23:30.06 | GofG | Ah |
| 23:30.22 | GofG | What do YOU think of my idea? |
| 23:30.25 | GofG | It'll make huntards a bit more overpowered in BGs, granted |
| 23:30.46 | Thunder_Child | i think your removing something that people dont have enough of atm as it is, bag space |
| 23:30.52 | GofG | blah |
| 23:30.58 | GofG | but it's just optional |
| 23:31.22 | Thunder_Child | now do you want the ammo space, or the haste? |
| 23:32.42 | Esamynn | GofG: why should the 2nd quiver give any haste benefit at all? |
| 23:36.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:39.03 | sag_ich_nicht | GOD DAMN IT |
| 23:39.06 | sag_ich_nicht | prince bugged on us |
| 23:39.13 | sag_ich_nicht | nobody was even close to the tank aggro |
| 23:39.18 | sag_ich_nicht | suddently the tank has enfeeble |
| 23:39.19 | sag_ich_nicht | gg blizzard |
| 23:39.21 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 23:39.38 | Esamynn | ~calm sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:39.38 | purl | ACTION sooths sag_ich_nicht, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm sag_ich_nicht down. |
| 23:42.59 | foxlit | Hrm, I'm still suck in the find-a-domain-name-to-register loop |
| 23:43.06 | foxlit | s/suck/stuck/ |
| 23:43.26 | foxlit | And that may well have been a subconscious attempt to type "I suck" |
| 23:44.03 | sag_ich_nicht | wrote a GM ticket |
| 23:44.13 | sag_ich_nicht | they should check the combat server backlog |
| 23:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | GRARR |
| 23:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'M GOING TO KILL THE CHARACTER COPY SERVICE |
| 23:44.26 | foxlit | sag_ich_nicht: you're being silly :) |
| 23:44.29 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 23:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm not |
| 23:44.50 | sag_ich_nicht | euro has no bug report forum and the PTR forum is filled with PTR stuff |
| 23:44.52 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 23:44.55 | foxlit | You do realize that the only reply you're going to get is not going to help you? |
| 23:50.37 | foxlit | No rush there either :) |
| 23:50.38 | Thunder_Child | it's not them ScytheBlade1, it's you |
| 23:50.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Clearly |
| 23:50.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been trying for the past three days |
| 23:50.54 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
| 23:50.58 | foxlit | Aw! |
| 23:51.05 | foxlit | I copied chars before the PTR was up |
| 23:51.10 | foxlit | Were done on the next morning |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Unable to complete request |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | There was a problem with your request. Please go back and try again. |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | To avoid possible errors in the future, please refrain from using the web browsers "back" button. |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Die |
| 23:51.24 | foxlit | Usual capacity problems? |
| 23:51.33 | foxlit | Had a bunch of errors when I logged back in to check |
| 23:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "You have no characters on Doomhammer." |
| 23:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | BULLCRAP |
| 23:51.45 | foxlit | Yeah, that sounds like capacity. |
| 23:51.58 | foxlit | Give it a week or two |
| 23:53.28 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: you're trying to copy to the PvE right? |
| 23:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn, and PvP... neither are working |
| 23:53.50 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 23:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had three different error messages so far :/ |
| 23:53.55 | Esamynn | last I checked pvp was working :( |
| 23:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ARGH |
| 23:56.10 | Esamynn | ~poke ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:56.11 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind ScytheBlade1, pokes ScytheBlade1 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:56.39 | Thunder_Child | oh good job Esamynn |
| 23:56.56 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: I blame purl |
| 23:57.02 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 23:57.02 | purl | thanks, Esamynn |
| 23:57.24 | Thunder_Child | s/oh good job Esamynn/<sarcasim> oh good job Esamynn </sarcasim>/ |
| 23:57.32 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 23:57.39 | Esamynn | haha |
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