| 00:06.01 | Polarina | How do I get the number of charges an item has? |
| 00:07.23 | Corrodias | GetNumCharges()... nah, i'm kidding, i don't know |
| 00:08.19 | foxlit | Hm, this is proving trickier than I would've liked |
| 00:13.00 | Polarina | Well, if anyone finds out please send me a private message at WoWI, or at least anything you have discovered. Good night. |
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| 01:17.52 | foxlit | Gah |
| 01:18.11 | foxlit | Need a better way of capturing someone using the reins |
| 01:18.33 | foxlit | I can hook usecontaineritem and useitembyname to handle clicks and macro uses, but that leaves actionbuttons :( |
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| 01:19.36 | BrianH | someone make an addon for them yet to keep a constant Canter? |
| 01:19.39 | BrianH | ;) |
| 01:19.56 | foxlit | It's gallop that you need, tbh |
| 01:20.29 | foxlit | Especially gallop that you don't pay for |
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| 01:42.36 | Seerah_ | pong MoonWitch |
| 01:42.45 | Seerah_ | wrong channel :D |
| 01:42.58 | Seerah_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.28 | Thunder_Child | ~wave Seerah_ |
| 01:44.29 | purl | Bye, Seerah_ |
| 01:44.35 | Thunder_Child | hmm..wrong wave |
| 01:44.43 | Seerah_ | hehe :) hi TC :) |
| 01:45.00 | Seerah_ | ~hi Thunder_Child |
| 01:45.01 | purl | Many greetings, Thunder_Child, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 01:45.30 | Thunder_Child | ...purl..your weird |
| 01:45.40 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo hi |
| 01:45.40 | purl | hi -- created by hi <ddent@sfr-qbu-pqd-vty5.as.wcom.net> at Sun Mar 26 08:44:05 2000 (2750 days); it has been requested 535 times, last by findlay-w, 4d 21h 17m 9s ago; it has been locked by hi. |
| 01:45.46 | Seerah_ | purl's an RP'er |
| 01:46.44 | Thunder_Child | interesting...i didnt know you could lock factoids |
| 01:47.37 | Thunder_Child | ~literal lock |
| 01:47.50 | the-golem | @seen |Jelly| |
| 01:47.53 | the-golem | wait |
| 01:48.02 | the-golem | wrong symbol |
| 01:48.05 | Thunder_Child | with a ~ |
| 01:48.08 | |Jelly| | ? |
| 01:48.21 | the-golem | oh your here :-) |
| 01:48.49 | the-golem | |Jelly|: do you play any classes that have a stancebar? |
| 01:49.06 | |Jelly| | I'm on a druid now. |
| 01:49.37 | the-golem | im wondering how you handle the symmetry |
| 01:49.41 | Thunder_Child | ~whalestab |Jelly| |
| 01:49.41 | purl | ACTION stabs |Jelly| with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 01:51.24 | |Jelly| | http://i22.tinypic.com/2eyxfr8.jpg |
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| 01:53.06 | the-golem | oh i see |
| 01:53.08 | the-golem | meh |
| 01:53.24 | |Jelly| | That's just kind of where I put it...not much thought went into it. |
| 01:53.51 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.52 | the-golem | temporary until you hash it out later? |
| 01:53.57 | |Jelly| | Pretty much. |
| 01:54.01 | the-golem | :-) |
| 01:54.10 | the-golem | whats wrong with druids? |
| 01:54.22 | |Jelly| | Level 10; not really concerned with final placement just yet. 8P |
| 01:54.36 | the-golem | yeah that threw me for a sec |
| 01:54.39 | |Jelly| | Has nothing to do with Druids. |
| 01:54.42 | Thunder_Child | not druid, |Jelly|'s layout |
| 01:54.43 | the-golem | the mount |
| 01:54.59 | the-golem | til i realized what quest you are on |
| 01:55.36 | the-golem | i like how she (?) did her UF's ^^ |
| 01:56.21 | |Jelly| | He |
| 01:56.28 | the-golem | *shrug* |
| 01:56.32 | the-golem | i went offa the screenie |
| 01:56.33 | the-golem | lol |
| 01:56.55 | |Jelly| | Male characters look stupid. *shrug* |
| 01:57.16 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, whats the addon bottom right, next to omen |
| 01:57.57 | |Jelly| | cml |
| 01:58.48 | Thunder_Child | thanks, also according to your exp bar you have -2147483648 kills to lvl.... |
| 02:00.58 | Industrial | "You can only complete 10 more daily quests today." wuh what? im in brackenwall village? I didnt do any brewfest stuff.. wth? |
| 02:01.23 | Industrial | does that mean the thingy reset so I can ride again? |
| 02:01.26 | the-golem | Industrial: it means the dailys have reset? |
| 02:01.38 | the-golem | i guess so .. |
| 02:01.44 | the-golem | although it seems rather early for a reset |
| 02:01.53 | Industrial | lets find out :) |
| 02:01.56 | the-golem | :-) |
| 02:03.17 | bleeter | summertime started here today, check local realmtime for summertime foo ;) |
| 02:03.17 | foxlit | Ram speedometer works |
| 02:03.27 | bleeter | foxlit: gief! |
| 02:03.35 | foxlit | no, sleep. |
| 02:03.41 | bleeter | cry |
| 02:03.43 | foxlit | There are some issues with it falling out of sync sometimes :) |
| 02:05.09 | foxlit | wow's client/server sync is the oddest thing ever |
| 02:05.42 | bleeter | as in, amazed that it works at all? ;) |
| 02:06.12 | foxlit | And ticks are not universal |
| 02:06.50 | foxlit | The fatigue buff, for example, should update every second while in yellow/red speeds. |
| 02:07.04 | foxlit | It bothers to update anywhere in the 0.5s-1.5s region |
| 02:07.12 | Wobin | Client: "Oh hey, I've done something" Server: "Dumtee dumtee dumm... oh hey, what's that?" |
| 02:07.59 | foxlit | Opposite way around for fatigue (stacks server-side on a timer), but yeah |
| 02:09.40 | bleeter | Wobin: quick warning... those pink timtams are crap |
| 02:13.58 | Industrial | the-golem: yeah they reset on grim batol - but only the org run, not the back and forth for tickets |
| 02:14.10 | Industrial | 215 tickets now :o |
| 02:15.10 | the-golem | blah |
| 02:15.18 | the-golem | grim batol is EU? |
| 02:15.54 | Industrial | yes |
| 02:16.00 | the-golem | ah |
| 02:16.04 | the-golem | makes sense now |
| 02:16.17 | the-golem | ive still got like 6 hours til my servers dailys reset |
| 02:16.27 | the-golem | actually im tired and might go zzzz |
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| 02:19.51 | Wobin | bleeter: ..what have they inside? |
| 02:20.50 | bleeter | Wobin: on the outside, 'standard' timtam, inside's kinda like the coating on a tic-toc |
| 02:21.52 | Wobin | pink icing O.O |
| 02:22.52 | bleeter | yeah |
| 02:22.56 | bleeter | totally useless @ slamming |
| 02:23.36 | bleeter | it's something to do with raising funds for breast cancer research... I can only surmise that arnott's don't wanna give that much $$ |
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| 02:46.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleeter is a timtam addict |
| 02:47.01 | Thunder_Child | chocolate == fail |
| 02:51.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the hell |
| 02:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know what we call people who dislike chocolate? |
| 02:52.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | Communists. |
| 02:53.29 | Thunder_Child | how does that work? |
| 02:55.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not telling you any government secrets, you damn Bolshevik |
| 02:56.42 | Thunder_Child | hmm..well i am anywhere between 1/2-1/3 russian |
| 02:56.52 | |Jelly| | DON'T TAZE ME BRO! |
| 03:02.26 | Thunder_Child | ~taze |Jelly| |
| 03:02.39 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 03:03.54 | Industrial | go sharing! down with taking! |
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| 03:35.50 | art3mis | i agree with TC chocolate uis fine once i a while but its mostly gross |
| 03:36.14 | art3mis | i generally wont go out of my way to eat chocolate and havent touched chocolate ice cream or chocolate cake in about 8 years |
| 03:36.33 | art3mis | something though you have to eat chocolate to get at the reese peanut buttery goodness |
| 03:36.46 | art3mis | sometimwes rather |
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| 04:00.52 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: anyone with half a brain is a timtam addict |
| 04:01.07 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: btw, I've found a place to get wallaby meat locally, legally too :D |
| 04:01.57 | bleeter | as with all addictions, though, just gotta learn self control |
| 04:12.03 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, heh, same on the butter cups |
| 04:12.32 | Thunder_Child | although white chocolate isnt to bad in small quantitys |
| 04:12.45 | |Jelly| | What about chocolate rain? |
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| 04:14.00 | Thunder_Child | what about it? |
| 04:14.25 | |Jelly| | [23:12]<Thunder_Child>although white chocolate isnt to bad in small quantitys |
| 04:14.50 | Thunder_Child | whats choclate rain? |
| 04:15.50 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA |
| 04:19.57 | Thunder_Child | wow...i so dont get that song |
| 04:22.05 | |Jelly| | What's to get? :P |
| 04:22.23 | Thunder_Child | uhh..isnt there supposed to be a meaning behind that song? |
| 04:22.33 | |Jelly| | Not that I've seen. |
| 04:28.07 | Thunder_Child | ah, well that makes more sense then.... |
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| 04:42.32 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRMrla_LY0 <-- best video evah |
| 05:00.36 | art3mis | cuz im going yes im going cuz im going yes im going TO THE HARDWARE STOREEEEEEEEEEEEE!! |
| 05:01.14 | art3mis | so since tbc |
| 05:01.25 | art3mis | where's the best place to skill up mining on thorium |
| 05:01.41 | art3mis | searing? |
| 05:02.17 | Thunder_Child | people disturb me |
| 05:02.34 | art3mis | thats a natural state |
| 05:06.54 | Thunder_Child | sadly |
| 05:15.19 | art3mis | wheee |
| 05:15.22 | art3mis | 245 mining |
| 05:15.27 | art3mis | off to searing i suppose |
| 05:16.38 | Cairenn|afk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215644987&sid=1 |
| 05:18.44 | art3mis | and snarky ;P |
| 05:18.48 | Corrodias | DESTINATION: UNKNOWN |
| 05:19.28 | Cairenn|afk | well geez, it's such a stupid bloody question that gets asked so often - it's ridiculous |
| 05:19.44 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:19.55 | art3mis | ya know whats a good way to deal with idiots |
| 05:19.55 | Cairenn|afk | hi, if addons weren't allowed, why the fuck do they have a forum for them, duh |
| 05:20.02 | art3mis | just dont answer them |
| 05:20.14 | art3mis | stare blankly as though they're speaking a language you dont understand |
| 05:20.26 | Cairenn|afk | yes, but then I'd have to stop talking to you art3mis .... |
| 05:20.29 | art3mis | Cairenn|afk: keep your friends close and your enemies closer" |
| 05:20.29 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 05:20.43 | art3mis | thats because i DO speak a different language |
| 05:20.50 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 05:20.53 | art3mis | you speak maritimes : |
| 05:21.01 | art3mis | i speak english |
| 05:21.05 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:21.09 | Cairenn|afk | damn straight! |
| 05:21.36 | Cairenn|afk | art3mis, sweetie, luv - fu |
| 05:21.37 | art3mis | do you remember the night of the cow skit from kids int he hall? |
| 05:21.38 | Cairenn|afk | <3 |
| 05:21.48 | Cairenn|afk | nope, never really watched the show |
| 05:22.02 | art3mis | Cairenn|afk: baby darlin honey bunches, on your knees and i can do that ;P |
| 05:22.11 | art3mis | really? |
| 05:22.13 | Cairenn|afk | *grin* |
| 05:22.15 | Cairenn|afk | really |
| 05:22.18 | art3mis | how can you call yourself canadian |
| 05:22.21 | art3mis | tsk tsk |
| 05:22.24 | Cairenn|afk | Air Farce |
| 05:22.28 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 05:22.32 | art3mis | this hour.. |
| 05:22.34 | art3mis | ;) |
| 05:22.35 | Cairenn|afk | indeed |
| 05:22.37 | art3mis | codco |
| 05:22.43 | Cairenn|afk | meh, so so |
| 05:22.49 | art3mis | codco was funny the first 2 years |
| 05:22.51 | Cairenn|afk | Air Farce and This Hour, sure |
| 05:23.28 | Cairenn|afk | Due South ;) |
| 05:23.41 | Cairenn|afk | Constable Fraiser = /drool |
| 05:23.52 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-N28eG2go |
| 05:24.02 | Cairenn|afk | omg |
| 05:24.32 | Nom- | Yay for dead instance servers |
| 05:24.36 | Cairenn|afk | haven't seen that in forever |
| 05:24.44 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlkBk7X4ot4&mode=related&search= |
| 05:24.48 | art3mis | this is the other great one |
| 05:25.43 | art3mis | ABA ABGE ABAGBA |
| 05:27.19 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: I love you. |
| 05:27.27 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 05:27.35 | |Jelly| | I just read that. lol |
| 05:28.16 | |Jelly| | I'm waiting for someone to skip over your signature or the fact that you're the author of the MODs FAQ and flame you. |
| 05:28.30 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 05:28.59 | |Jelly| | They used to flame me on the Ace threads...not that I'm trying to compare to you. lol |
| 05:29.37 | Cairenn|afk | oh, I get flamed by times too - people have no clue |
| 05:29.48 | Cairenn|afk | meh |
| 05:30.04 | Thunder_Child | ~flame Cairenn|afk |
| 05:30.04 | purl | Cairenn|afk, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 05:30.14 | Cairenn|afk | purl: only if you beg pretty |
| 05:34.17 | Thunder_Child | ~beg Cairenn|afk |
| 05:34.18 | purl | ACTION drops to his knees and pleads with Cairenn|afk |
| 05:34.24 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 05:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl's got some gender confusion going on again |
| 05:35.31 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, sleep time, night guys |
| 05:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | night cair |
| 05:35.52 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
| 05:35.58 | Thunder_Child | not that i belive you or anything |
| 05:35.59 | Cairenn|afk | sweet dreams all |
| 05:36.36 | Cidan | Hmm, how can I tell how long a spell will take to cast for a particular player? |
| 05:37.15 | |Jelly| | Night Cairenn |
| 05:37.16 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, how is that? |
| 05:37.17 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ&mode=related&search= |
| 05:37.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | * purl drops to his knees and pleads with Cairenn|afk |
| 05:38.00 | Thunder_Child | ah..indeed |
| 05:38.05 | Thunder_Child | missed the 'his' |
| 05:40.22 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, if you can figure out what their casting you can have a DB to back it up |
| 05:40.59 | Cidan | Sure, but some people have modifiers |
| 05:41.10 | Cidan | do I just have to calculate them if I know them and hope for the best? |
| 05:41.50 | Cidan | I do wish they had not removed SPELLCAST_START |
| 05:42.50 | Cidan | Does anyone know why they don't send us the spell casting time anymore? |
| 05:42.56 | Cidan | Was there some sort of abuse? |
| 05:46.03 | Thunder_Child | i guess so since they seem to have replaced it with the same thing minus the time |
| 05:49.19 | Wobin | damn you heroic murmur |
| 05:49.27 | Thunder_Child | heh, he is fun |
| 05:49.48 | Wobin | yeah, we're just having bad luck with him atm =) |
| 05:49.54 | Wobin | we oneshotted everyone else |
| 05:50.55 | Thunder_Child | we once tried running from him...and watched him/her/it shoot all the way to the begining of the instance |
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| 06:13.17 | MentalPower|Away | gnight all |
| 06:14.26 | Thunder_Child | night MentalPower|ZzZz |
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| 06:20.40 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 06:20.41 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
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| 06:33.29 | art3mis | you are charged 2with being an asshole, how do you plead? |
| 06:33.40 | art3mis | Guilty your honuor, but with various good excuses. |
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| 06:50.23 | art3mis | so wheres the ebst place to farm thorium? |
| 06:51.48 | Thunder_Child | what kind? |
| 06:53.45 | Thunder_Child | art3mis http://wowi.pastey.net/74983 |
| 06:55.15 | art3mis | oo awesome |
| 06:55.20 | art3mis | just need to go from 250-300 |
| 06:55.47 | Thunder_Child | well i'm not a miner so i really cant help other than the research |
| 06:58.46 | art3mis | at least it says whats good and whats now |
| 06:58.47 | art3mis | not |
| 06:58.56 | art3mis | the otehr one just showed pics of the paths on wow wiki |
| 06:59.16 | Thunder_Child | that was taken from the comments section @ wowhead |
| 06:59.26 | Thunder_Child | you can also try the comments section @ thott |
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| 07:04.17 | cirdan | hey all |
| 07:04.54 | cirdan | anyone here feel like traking down a really weird resize bug in 2.2? |
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| 07:09.30 | cirdan | it's with trinketmenu |
| 07:09.41 | cirdan | sometimes there's a large gap between the 2 trinekt boxes |
| 07:10.07 | cirdan | and other odd things happen usually when you rezise the windows |
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| 07:24.36 | Corrodias | i haven't noticed one |
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| 08:41.33 | art3mis | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 08:41.38 | art3mis | where is everyone |
| 08:42.41 | art3mis | its so quiet |
| 08:43.09 | art3mis | and its a weekend so i simply wont take "it's 4:45am" as an excuse |
| 08:46.59 | Corrodias | going to sleep. 'ni. |
| 08:47.36 | foxlit | It was 4:45am when I went to sleep :P |
| 08:47.45 | art3mis | woah |
| 08:47.51 | art3mis | thats like totally symetrical! |
| 08:47.57 | art3mis | you much entertain me now |
| 08:48.19 | art3mis | must even |
| 08:48.34 | art3mis | At night the Ice Weasels come. |
| 08:49.34 | art3mis | ya know, there's just not enough thorium in the world |
| 08:50.39 | zenzelezz | they're thinking of making nuclear power plants that use it, so I'm sure there's a lot of it |
| 08:51.13 | art3mis | woo |
| 08:51.29 | art3mis | and its not even that bad if the nodes gave like 1 per |
| 08:51.44 | art3mis | i just need 40 more nodes period to get to 300 so i can go back to outland |
| 08:52.04 | art3mis | for my tournament of MORTAL KOMBAT! |
| 08:52.29 | zenzelezz | if it's the middle of the night you should be able to just ride in circles around Burning Steppes and get it easily |
| 08:52.56 | art3mis | you'd think the same of ungoro |
| 08:53.14 | zenzelezz | no, Un'goro is larger and more tricky to navigate for the veins |
| 08:53.22 | art3mis | sadly it seems that while there are rich nodes here and there there are only like 8 spots it spawns |
| 08:53.32 | art3mis | oh? |
| 08:54.05 | zenzelezz | you have to go into all of those small secluded areas where the pterrordaxes gather, the veins spawn there too |
| 08:54.15 | art3mis | ahh |
| 08:54.45 | zenzelezz | which makes it a pain compared to Burning Steppes, because there you can basically just ride in an easy pattern |
| 08:55.30 | zenzelezz | well, in my opinion anyway |
| 08:55.33 | art3mis | just skip the western side? |
| 08:55.41 | art3mis | im looking for node amounts mainly |
| 08:55.55 | art3mis | i dont care much if i touch mithril even again |
| 08:56.48 | art3mis | err thorium |
| 08:57.09 | art3mis | i just need lots of nodes to skillup on cuz i totally fergot about mining while i was doing 40-60 ;) |
| 08:57.54 | zenzelezz | mining/herbalism will be easier now... learn it at level 5, enable the tracking buff, and it never goes away |
| 08:58.04 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 09:12.39 | art3mis | wow king mosh sucks |
| 09:12.48 | art3mis | stupidly tough and crap loot |
| 09:13.24 | Recluse | what's the name of the blizzard default buff frame? |
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| 09:35.45 | foxlit | Hm, need to detect the direction player is walking in :/ |
| 09:36.21 | |Jelly|zZz | Do the math on the coords upon movement. |
| 09:36.33 | |Jelly|zZz | s/on/with/ |
| 09:36.53 | foxlit | But that requires constant getplayermapposition polling, and resolution of the map affects that |
| 09:37.12 | foxlit | There's no GetPlayerBearing()? |
| 09:37.34 | |Jelly|zZz | Well, AFAIK that's the only way you can get direction. I don't believe you're able to get direction while standing still but I could be wrong. Perhaps look into a compass mod and look at it's code. |
| 09:38.13 | foxlit | function WorldMapFrame_OnEvent() |
| 09:38.16 | foxlit | -- FIX ME FOR 1.13 |
| 09:38.52 | foxlit | Guess that never got far |
| 09:39.03 | Fisker- | 1.13 is 2.0 |
| 09:39.31 | foxlit | 2.0 is 2.0 |
| 09:40.12 | Fisker- | yes |
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| 09:41.15 | Fisker- | but 1.13 is the pre-TBC patch for vanilla WoW |
| 09:41.50 | foxlit | ... in china. |
| 09:42.23 | Fisker- | nope |
| 09:42.34 | foxlit | Certainly not in US/EU |
| 09:42.48 | foxlit | 2.0.1 is the is the pre-TBC patch for vanilla WoW |
| 09:42.55 | Fisker- | yes, but it was also 1.13 |
| 09:43.01 | Fisker- | 2.0.1 and 1.13 at the same time |
| 09:43.18 | foxlit | In the same way as 2.1 is 1.14? |
| 09:43.34 | Fisker- | no |
| 09:43.43 | foxlit | Just follow the blizzard naming convention. 1.12 -> 2.0.1, no 1.13 |
| 09:43.57 | Fisker- | Blizzard's naming convention was 1.12 -> 1.1.3 |
| 09:43.59 | Fisker- | 1.13* |
| 09:44.16 | Fisker- | It was also called 1.13 prior to release |
| 09:44.22 | Fisker- | It was only in-game it was refered to as 2.0.1 |
| 09:45.28 | foxlit | And the patchnotes themselves, and subsequent history |
| 09:45.29 | Fisker- | I guess they probably had an idea to split up the patches |
| 09:45.46 | Fisker- | so the Vanilla WoW patches was 1.x still and BC patches were 2.x |
| 09:45.56 | Fisker- | but someway along they changed their minds |
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| 09:46.22 | foxlit | It's far more likely that 1.13 was a fan-made designation for the next patch for vanilla wow |
| 09:46.32 | Fisker- | no it's not |
| 09:47.13 | Fisker- | Infact one of the first hits you get if you search for it is Drysc explaining they're not exactly sure if they would call it 2.0 or 1.13 |
| 09:47.15 | foxlit | Link something. |
| 09:48.21 | foxlit | Tseric: "The content patch is not 1.13. There will not be a 1.13, as the EU CM stated. " |
| 09:48.46 | foxlit | "However, there will be a content patch before the expansion. It will simply not be called 1.13, which would be a continutation of content patches for WoW, pre-expansion. The content patch will be for the expansion, which will likely be dubbed 2.0. " |
| 09:49.28 | Fisker- | because they renamed it 2.0.1 |
| 09:50.03 | Fisker- | The only thing that matter is if you can prove that the Developers didn't at some point consider it 1.13 |
| 09:50.35 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=41975557&sid=1&pageNo=2#30 |
| 09:50.45 | foxlit | I'm going for "the 1.13 designation never made it to release, and therefore patch 1.13 never existed" |
| 09:51.22 | Fisker- | is "-- FIX ME FOR 1.13" printed somewhere in-game? |
| 09:51.48 | foxlit | FrameXML. |
| 09:51.52 | Fisker- | in-game |
| 09:51.58 | Fisker- | Is it available to customers? |
| 09:52.08 | Fisker- | By in-game means that still is |
| 09:52.18 | foxlit | No. |
| 09:52.22 | Fisker- | Cause they could call it Fix for patch dickshithipples |
| 09:52.39 | foxlit | Clearly, if 1.13 was actually released, that note wouldn't be there |
| 09:53.02 | Fisker- | Or perhaps it was just scrapped |
| 09:53.20 | Fisker- | An EU CM doesn't just guess about a patch number |
| 09:53.27 | Fisker- | obviously he was told this what the patch they were making |
| 09:53.36 | Fisker- | but he wasn't told this patch had changed name to 2.0.1 |
| 09:53.39 | buu | CMs don't guess?! |
| 09:53.59 | Fisker- | buu read the whole thing again before you throw out blanket statements |
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| 09:54.42 | buu | Fisker-: I'd rather just randomly interject sarcastic comments. |
| 09:55.06 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 09:55.15 | bleeter | Is this the right room for an arguement? |
| 09:55.28 | bleeter | </palin> |
| 09:55.59 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=38703926&pageNo=4 , 6 days earlier :) |
| 09:57.42 | Wobin | bleeter: I'm sorry, this is abuse |
| 09:57.57 | foxlit | Anyhow, spent a bit too much time on that. |
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| 10:25.33 | foxlit | http://foxlit.pastey.net/74985 |
| 10:29.46 | Kaso | ingenious |
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| 11:05.27 | foxlit | ""The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam," said a ministry official, Tstuomu Shimomura" |
| 11:18.04 | foxlit | Hm, so, I want to make something mildly resembling a speedometer graphic |
| 11:18.17 | foxlit | Positioning ticks is tricky :/ |
| 11:35.07 | foxlit | >>> tan(90); |
| 11:35.48 | foxlit | 1.63e+016 |
| 11:36.17 | foxlit | Sometimes I wonder what lua is playing at with its trig functions |
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| 11:48.53 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 11:49.52 | foxlit | Hello. |
| 11:50.06 | foxlit | purl, say Hello. |
| 11:50.07 | purl | Hello. |
| 11:50.33 | Polarina | purl: :) |
| 11:50.34 | purl | (: |
| 11:55.36 | foxlit | Grrr. |
| 11:55.43 | Polarina | I have a small question I would like to ask. Is it ok if I ask? Well, here goes; How do I get the number of charges left on a item, and if possible, the original amount of charges? |
| 11:56.36 | foxlit | parse tooltip text. |
| 11:57.33 | Polarina | foxlit: o.O |
| 11:58.26 | foxlit | Live on crushing people's dreams? :) |
| 11:58.37 | foxlit | /hopes |
| 11:58.38 | Polarina | Yeah.. |
| 11:58.44 | foxlit | Keep it up :) |
| 11:58.53 | Polarina | I will. :) |
| 11:59.29 | foxlit | I'm going to make an uneducated guess that you can never get the original number of charges, and that you may get a current number of charges only by parsing the text generated by GameTooltip if the number of charges left != 1 |
| 11:59.39 | foxlit | In other words, you're doomed. |
| 12:00.12 | Polarina | Oh.. f-word! A permanent bug in my addon. :'( |
| 12:00.27 | foxlit | It's now a design feature. |
| 12:00.54 | foxlit | Hm, now where do I find the yard height/width of the Dun Morogh map |
| 12:00.59 | Polarina | Is it at least possible to detect if the item has/had any charges at all? |
| 12:01.50 | foxlit | Not in all cases. |
| 12:02.02 | Polarina | Oh no! More bugs.. *cry* |
| 12:02.13 | foxlit | Store a bunch of ids in a table, I guess. |
| 12:02.18 | foxlit | There can't be that many charged items |
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| 12:03.04 | Polarina | foxlit: I can't have a table for that. Because there might be more items added later on that would invoke the bug if they aren't in the table. |
| 12:04.09 | foxlit | *can't=can |
| 12:04.18 | foxlit | *Because=but |
| 12:04.29 | foxlit | *Solution=update table |
| 12:05.48 | Polarina | I'm starting to hate Blizzard - I can't even write one of the simplest addon (That is useful too!) without releasing it with some bugs ONLY because of their stupid API design! |
| 12:06.45 | foxlit | Less qq, more pewpew :) |
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| 12:07.52 | Polarina | foxlit: Get me some guns, ammo and a flight ticket to America! |
| 12:08.08 | Polarina | I'm going to kidnap Slouken. |
| 12:08.26 | foxlit | You do no such thing, or we'll get no updates in 2.4 |
| 12:09.18 | Polarina | I don't care. |
| 12:09.46 | Polarina | Now go and get me what I asked for. |
| 12:10.36 | foxlit | Not until I get done with trigonometry |
| 12:11.57 | foxlit | It's being very annoying :( |
| 12:13.10 | Polarina | :'( |
| 12:19.57 | foxlit | Hm, this is proving problematic |
| 12:20.06 | Polarina | Why? |
| 12:20.13 | foxlit | Scaling, math. |
| 12:20.24 | Polarina | Oh... |
| 12:20.27 | foxlit | Want to get a bearing from a player position to a specific waypoint |
| 12:20.48 | foxlit | (x,y) to (dx,dy), more or less. |
| 12:20.56 | foxlit | both are GetPlayerMapPosition() dumps |
| 12:21.31 | Polarina | So you want to change the fact that I have to pay 17 silvers to fly from Ironforge to Westfall? |
| 12:21.58 | foxlit | Really? I though that goes IF-SW-Westfall, which is less than 2s |
| 12:22.24 | foxlit | No, I just want a bearing between two points. Then compare it to player's movement bearing, and suggest turning left. |
| 12:22.25 | Polarina | Yes, of you only know only these waypoints. But if you know all of them, it goes up to 17s. |
| 12:23.32 | Polarina | Honor Hold -> Telhamat is 9s. But Honor Hold -> Dark Portal -> Telhamat is FREE! |
| 12:26.25 | foxlit | And an epic flying mount makes it even more free :) |
| 12:26.41 | Polarina | foxlit: Not even 70 yet. |
| 12:28.59 | foxlit | slowpoke :) |
| 12:29.57 | zenzelezz | you have to fly the distance a whole lot of times to spend 5000g on it |
| 12:35.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:21] <Polarina> So you want to change the fact that I have to pay 17 silvers to fly from Ironforge to Westfall? <--write in the bugreport forum about it, blizzard considers this kind of behaviour a bug |
| 12:35.31 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 12:35.33 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/74999 |
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| 12:35.59 | foxlit | 75k id for sale :P |
| 12:36.51 | sag_ich_nicht | not anymore. |
| 12:37.01 | sag_ich_nicht | 75k is forever vanished |
| 12:37.06 | sag_ich_nicht | lol secure URL |
| 12:37.40 | foxlit | Meh |
| 12:37.44 | foxlit | Now fix the function! :) |
| 12:38.11 | sag_ich_nicht | no u |
| 12:38.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i go and destroy people in warsong now |
| 12:38.24 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 12:39.08 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: I AM IN EUROPE! GOD DAMMIT! |
| 12:39.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina, little known fact, the european PTR forum doubles as bugreport forum |
| 12:39.53 | Polarina | ... |
| 12:39.56 | sag_ich_nicht | (it's still retarded that we don't have a separat bug report forum) |
| 12:40.05 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 12:40.14 | sag_ich_nicht | you can ask bleeter to post it for you in the US forums |
| 12:40.38 | Polarina | Forget it. |
| 12:43.07 | Polarina | If Blizzard wants my bug reports, they have to make me able to report them properly or they wont get a single damn report! Thank you. |
| 12:43.58 | zenzelezz | and so what bug(s) are you talking about? |
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| 12:48.30 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Tons of them! |
| 12:51.36 | Polarina | I'm not taking the extra effort to report bugs just because I live in Europe. It is their fault! Less reports means less fixed and less fixed means less *customers*! I basically don't care. |
| 12:52.12 | zenzelezz | yes, they're definitely lacking customers |
| 12:52.52 | Codayus | True; there are billions of people without an account! |
| 12:53.11 | Polarina | If they made bug reports and feedback much more simpler they would have over 16 million subscribers by now! |
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| 13:08.56 | Nom- | O_o |
| 13:09.08 | Nom- | Is the 2.3 PTR up? |
| 13:11.14 | Fisker- | no u |
| 13:12.16 | Codayus | It'll never be up. |
| 13:12.19 | Codayus | 2.3 is a lie. |
| 13:21.54 | Nom- | Thought so |
| 13:22.03 | Nom- | I just saw a boss mod for ZA |
| 13:22.11 | Nom- | I assume it's just placeholders |
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| 13:30.44 | Polarina | Boss mod? |
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| 13:44.02 | Nom- | *nod* a boss mod |
| 13:46.25 | clad|away | cause clearly people subscribe to a game based on how easily they can submit bug reports |
| 13:46.26 | clad|away | O.o |
| 13:54.23 | Nom- | Having multiple classes gimped for 2+ years doesn't help much either |
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| 14:36.56 | dreamss | wwhttp://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/07/despite-game-violence-concerns-churches-connecting-with-kids-via-halo-3/ |
| 14:37.04 | dreamss | http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/07/despite-game-violence-concerns-churches-connecting-with-kids-via-halo-3/ |
| 14:37.05 | dreamss | lol |
| 14:37.36 | Industrial | lol. |
| 14:37.47 | Industrial | how lame |
| 14:45.21 | Wobin | oh god |
| 14:45.28 | Wobin | Master Chief as Jesus? |
| 14:45.39 | Thrae | Two torrents are downloading at 5mbit combined. Mmmm. FiOS. |
| 14:45.57 | dreamss | fuck you lucky bastard |
| 14:46.10 | dreamss | wait |
| 14:46.19 | dreamss | 5mbit? just 500k? |
| 14:46.21 | dreamss | bleh |
| 14:46.37 | dreamss | tought fios was fast |
| 14:46.48 | Thrae | Sorry, 4.9mbit. |
| 14:47.23 | Thrae | Well the speed is dropping now because the torrents finished themselves in 10 minutes. |
| 14:47.25 | dreamss | i can do 700k on cable easy |
| 14:47.45 | dreamss | how much is the month on FIOS? |
| 14:47.56 | Thrae | $50/month for 20/2 here in Maryland |
| 14:48.21 | Thrae | And I can get up to 700k easy, but these are just TWO torrents. It depends on how many peers I can connect to, etc. |
| 14:48.45 | sysrage | get usenet if you have FIOS |
| 14:48.49 | dreamss | $30 for 5.5mbit cable |
| 14:48.51 | dreamss | word |
| 14:49.02 | Thrae | dreamss: Ouch |
| 14:49.29 | dreamss | 29 for 40k/s dsl |
| 14:49.32 | dreamss | it was sad |
| 14:49.36 | Thrae | dreamss: $30 gets you 10/1 FiOS |
| 14:49.49 | dreamss | whats the 10/1? |
| 14:49.58 | Thrae | 10mbit/1mbit |
| 14:50.02 | Thrae | I have 20mbit/2mbit |
| 14:50.03 | dreamss | oh |
| 14:50.57 | dreamss | im behind an airforce so providers dont really prioritize this areas |
| 14:51.01 | zenzelezz | we're probably going from 4000/400 kbit to 6000/2000 kbit... finally |
| 14:51.31 | Thrae | zenzelezz: mbit is calculated by 1024 same as mbyte |
| 14:51.44 | zenzelezz | not from my ISP |
| 14:51.45 | dreamss | cant belive sweden and japan had 10/100mbit everwere but not US |
| 14:52.02 | zenzelezz | Thrae: it doesn't make sense, I know, but they use the values I specified |
| 14:52.14 | Thrae | Huh |
| 14:52.40 | dreamss | ask harddriver makers about sizes |
| 14:52.42 | Thrae | dreamss: Sweden and Japan are tiny countries |
| 14:52.46 | dreamss | they know all about it -_- |
| 14:53.13 | Thrae | dreamss: They also had the benefit of getting into running the infrastructure for Internet later then the US, who, of course, had it first |
| 14:53.40 | Thrae | In New York, you can get 50/10mbit FiOS already |
| 14:53.51 | Cidan | wtf |
| 14:53.52 | Thrae | And that's only going to go up |
| 14:53.54 | Cidan | you serious? |
| 14:54.04 | Cidan | Wait, you can get that here too |
| 14:54.04 | Thrae | Cidan: Yep. There are three different Cable Internet providers in New York. |
| 14:54.06 | Cidan | but what's the price? |
| 14:54.14 | dreamss | not much |
| 14:54.16 | dreamss | :P |
| 14:54.24 | Cidan | Isn't it 100+ for 50/10? |
| 14:54.29 | Thrae | *shrugs* Probably around $100/month |
| 14:54.41 | Cidan | Yeah, that's a rip when compared to the world, :P |
| 14:54.55 | Thrae | Well, ya gotta give it time |
| 14:55.11 | Cidan | We did, for over 20 years we've been promised FTTH. |
| 14:55.23 | Cidan | But what can you do? |
| 14:55.35 | dreamss | were the fuck is ipv6 |
| 14:55.37 | dreamss | sigh |
| 14:55.39 | Cidan | aye |
| 14:55.41 | Thrae | They've been laying out fiber for years, it's just the US is a huge country |
| 14:55.54 | dreamss | for who? |
| 14:55.58 | Cidan | No way. |
| 14:56.24 | Cidan | When I worked with my uncle at VT, we pretty much BEGGED Verizon to lay down fiber, we'd even help pay for the costs |
| 14:56.26 | dreamss | dude a few months ago the cable went out, and the fiber feeds right into the front of my house |
| 14:56.42 | dreamss | took them a day to figure out some asshole cut the fiber line |
| 14:56.44 | dreamss | lol |
| 14:56.47 | Cidan | They pretty much gave us a big "fuck you" |
| 14:56.55 | Thrae | Hah, yeah, that happened to me too |
| 14:57.23 | Thrae | Someone was installing phone service for someone else, and cut off our phone service by mistake...I dunno, like 5 years ago |
| 14:57.24 | dreamss | the fiber expert was like "dude it took me 2 minutes to figure out were it got cut" |
| 14:58.10 | Cidan | I'm interested to see where dish TV will go once fiber reaches everywhere |
| 14:58.22 | zenzelezz | dish TV? |
| 14:58.24 | Thrae | Anyway, I feel better now that I got rid of MoCA |
| 14:58.29 | dreamss | nowere |
| 14:58.29 | Cidan | any type of dish |
| 14:58.36 | Cidan | where, :P |
| 14:58.44 | dreamss | sat tv = compressed HD for morons |
| 14:58.50 | zenzelezz | like sattelite receivers or something? |
| 14:58.51 | Thrae | Cidan: That could take a decade or two, given the scope of the US |
| 14:59.02 | Cidan | sat tv is pretty nice right now, I'd prefer it over cable. |
| 14:59.02 | dreamss | ptv is nowere close |
| 14:59.05 | Thrae | Think some ranch in the middle of the Nevada Desert |
| 14:59.07 | Cidan | That is, if I watched TV. |
| 14:59.39 | Cidan | All I have is cable interweb tubes. |
| 14:59.44 | Cidan | and an IPv6 link |
| 14:59.48 | Cidan | which I like, never use, :/ |
| 14:59.50 | dreamss | magical pixie dust |
| 15:00.04 | Thrae | All my grandfather watches is The Golf Channel |
| 15:00.09 | Thrae | I don't watch TV |
| 15:00.14 | Cidan | nor do I |
| 15:00.14 | Thrae | I'm cancelling my cable soon |
| 15:00.23 | dreamss | i gave my parents over 1k channels, they watch four |
| 15:00.25 | Cidan | I don't even have, nor do I want it. |
| 15:00.30 | Thrae | dreamss: Haha |
| 15:00.41 | dreamss | and spanish tracks |
| 15:00.46 | dreamss | which are awefull dubs |
| 15:00.58 | zenzelezz | we're switching cable TV service just because my dad loves BBC Prime... thankfully that's also the reason we're getting a better Internet connection |
| 15:00.59 | dreamss | (yes waste the 7.1 sound system) |
| 15:01.25 | Thrae | Well, I'm going to first stockpile a bunch of stuff for my little brother and sister to watch when they come over |
| 15:01.52 | Thrae | For my grandfather, I'm going to setup "channels" which are basically random, themed playlists |
| 15:01.56 | dreamss | most channels now have live streams |
| 15:02.01 | dreamss | legal live streams |
| 15:03.12 | dreamss | news/cartoon channels |
| 15:04.22 | Thrae | dreamss: Yeah, just need to figure out how to set that up with my HTPC |
| 15:05.15 | dreamss | if u smart you can dump the urls with packet logger |
| 15:05.18 | dreamss | check tell |
| 15:27.25 | zenzelezz | I see a lot of people complain about flask prices after 2.2, but either my server is back to normal(ish) or Fortification just is cheap... only paid 4g more per flask |
| 15:27.58 | dreamss | why did the price change? |
| 15:28.05 | zenzelezz | more things require Fel Lotus |
| 15:28.17 | zenzelezz | and many flasks were improved so more desirable |
| 15:28.26 | dreamss | oh nice |
| 15:28.31 | dreamss | even the pre 60 ones? |
| 15:28.35 | dreamss | pre bc |
| 15:28.39 | zenzelezz | nope, just new ones |
| 15:28.44 | zenzelezz | so now people want the new ones instead |
| 15:28.56 | dreamss | cool |
| 15:38.24 | Codayus | Casters used to need Supreme Power (using Black Lotus). |
| 15:38.46 | Codayus | Not many want Pure Death or the other one whose name escapes me (using Fel Lotus). |
| 15:39.10 | foxlit | Blinding Light |
| 15:39.30 | Codayus | And the two new flasks aren't available from the flask vendors in Shatt. So, the net effect is increased usage of Fel Lotus and other flaks materials. |
| 15:39.35 | foxlit | Virtually every warlock/shadowpriest will settle for pure death |
| 15:39.38 | Codayus | Right. |
| 15:39.46 | Codayus | Er... |
| 15:39.49 | foxlit | And shamans/moonkins for Blinding Light |
| 15:39.57 | Codayus | s/Not many/Now many/ |
| 15:40.06 | foxlit | Fair enough :) |
| 15:40.08 | Codayus | That was a pretty bad typo for distorting my meaning. >< |
| 15:40.30 | foxlit | Which leaves mages in a bit of a fix, since arcane and fire are split across two different flasks |
| 15:40.42 | Codayus | Yep. |
| 15:40.53 | Codayus | To be fair, many (most?) warlocks use shadow and fire too. |
| 15:41.55 | Codayus | (Even shadow destro tends to fine Immolate worth casting I beleive. It'll only account for a tiny portion of total DPS though.) |
| 15:42.17 | foxlit | Isn't fire on the shadow flask? |
| 15:42.31 | Codayus | Um |
| 15:42.37 | foxlit | Yes, it is :) |
| 15:42.39 | Codayus | Frick, it is. |
| 15:42.43 | foxlit | Shadow + Fire + Frost |
| 15:42.47 | Codayus | WTF |
| 15:42.48 | foxlit | Arcane + Holy + Nature |
| 15:43.05 | Codayus | A warlock was complaining to me about how Pure Death was useless to him...wtf. |
| 15:43.15 | Wobin | was he.... wanding? |
| 15:43.17 | foxlit | He clearly wants +healing |
| 15:43.19 | Wobin | Or pehaps melee? |
| 15:43.32 | Codayus | Oo |
| 15:43.43 | Codayus | ANYHOW RIGHT, mages are still screwed. |
| 15:43.54 | Codayus | Some arcane builds can get away with blinding light though. |
| 15:44.05 | Wobin | well screwed in that they don't have the same benefits that the others gain |
| 15:44.07 | Codayus | AM spam I think? |
| 15:44.08 | Wobin | but not screwed |
| 15:44.29 | Codayus | Well yeah, it's only 10 +dmg. |
| 15:44.46 | foxlit | Scaling and stuffs. |
| 15:45.01 | Codayus | Although if your getting them crafted, fel lotus is almost always easier to farm than black lotus. |
| 15:45.42 | zenzelezz | it's a bit annoying; you know where Black Lotuses spawn, but they spawn rarely... you can go ages without getting a Fel Lotus, or you can get three in a row |
| 15:47.05 | Codayus | I mostly manage to just use the shatrath flasks; although as a spriest, I wish they'd add pure deat hto the vendor. |
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| 15:49.24 | zenzelezz | I generally question the value of Fortification, it's +4 defense (10 rating) and 500 hp... if I'm down to the point where 500 hp matters, things are *usually* not going as they should in the first place |
| 15:51.23 | foxlit | The whole purpose of flasks is to provide a bit more of a margin in which things can be going not as they should in the first place :) |
| 15:51.32 | Codayus | *shrug* Spikes happen. And it's not like there's BETTER flasks... |
| 15:51.42 | foxlit | DPS failing? Flask them. Healers running out of mana? Flask them. Tanks getting one shot? Flask them. |
| 15:52.02 | dreamss | heh |
| 15:52.31 | zenzelezz | flasks, in my experience, have a greater effect on DPS than on tanks. The old Titan/Fortification were worth it, now I don't find them to be |
| 15:52.52 | zenzelezz | but I've always been cheap, I'm sitting on 8333g right now and don't like to spend |
| 15:53.02 | dreamss | back then 6-7 k was a lot for a tank |
| 15:53.19 | dreamss | 2k incrise was alot specially with old last stand |
| 15:53.52 | Codayus | Well...yeah, on the one hand the effect of flasking the tank is low. |
| 15:53.58 | zenzelezz | >>> (17880*100)/13754 |
| 15:54.07 | Codayus | On the other hand, the downside of a tank dying is really high. |
| 15:54.26 | dreamss | dps scales easly than tanks |
| 15:54.52 | zenzelezz | how was "old Last Stand" better? |
| 15:55.06 | Codayus | Might mean old Lifegiving Gem? |
| 15:55.13 | zenzelezz | that would be true |
| 15:55.17 | dreamss | yeah |
| 15:55.29 | dreamss | actually thats what i meant |
| 15:55.37 | Codayus | Having low DPS? Not normally a huge issue. Healers having mana issues? Ride the potion cooldowns. Tank dying = wipe, usually. |
| 15:55.48 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 15:55.59 | dreamss | the new pain supresion should help |
| 15:56.11 | zenzelezz | but the way it is now, I have 13754 hp unbuffed, 1080 more from shout, add PW:F and Blood Pact, and those 500 from the flask will usually not be noticable. I think they nerfed it too hard |
| 15:56.54 | zenzelezz | I mean hell, I have food that gives 3/5 the hp the flask does |
| 15:57.09 | dreamss | maybe give the tank tree a cheat death type of effect, but pve only |
| 15:57.13 | Codayus | I think the relevant measure is "how many extra seconds of average damage does this buff let me live"? |
| 15:57.24 | dreamss | lol |
| 15:57.30 | Codayus | 500 HP vs Morogrim = lawl? |
| 15:57.36 | zenzelezz | heh, yeah |
| 15:57.51 | zenzelezz | that guy hits like a freaking train, and way too fast for a giant |
| 15:58.00 | Codayus | But still, since Morogrim DOES do wicked spike damage, and you WILL sometimes see a tank die...even 500 HP is something. |
| 15:58.21 | Codayus | 1 prevented wipe pays for a lot of flasks. :-) |
| 15:58.34 | zenzelezz | yeah, I know there's always the chance that it will be the difference between a death and staying alive |
| 15:59.06 | zenzelezz | but the way mobs hit, I feel 500 is just not worth the cost; give me 1000-1250 and I'd be content |
| 15:59.12 | zenzelezz | *hit now |
| 15:59.12 | dreamss | i guess the armor flask is not that good when you allmost maxed the cap? |
| 15:59.25 | zenzelezz | armor flask? |
| 15:59.44 | dreamss | sigh... nm |
| 15:59.58 | Codayus | A decent armor flask would be hot for warrior tanks... |
| 16:00.08 | zenzelezz | yeah, I'd be more interested in that |
| 16:00.36 | zenzelezz | dreamss: I'm not trying to argue, just not sure which one you're referring to |
| 16:00.48 | dreamss | nah im prolly confused |
| 16:00.53 | dreamss | been a while since i tanked |
| 16:01.14 | dreamss | or touched a war (been playing my resto shaman) |
| 16:01.34 | Codayus | No armor flask; there are armor elixirs though. |
| 16:01.48 | cirdan | yeah 1h buff isn't too bad |
| 16:01.52 | dreamss | ahh ok |
| 16:01.55 | zenzelezz | also the potions |
| 16:01.55 | Codayus | Or are they potions? Mmm. |
| 16:01.57 | cirdan | esp since you can stack it with another one |
| 16:02.02 | zenzelezz | Stone/Ironshield Potions are win on Morogrim |
| 16:02.09 | cirdan | elixir |
| 16:02.12 | zenzelezz | potion |
| 16:02.18 | cirdan | of maj defense |
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| 16:02.29 | cirdan | i can make it |
| 16:02.29 | dreamss | how much melee reduction you guys have? |
| 16:02.30 | zenzelezz | oh, you're correcting yourself |
| 16:02.43 | cirdan | 500 armor for 1h |
| 16:03.00 | dreamss | zenzelezz, yeah |
| 16:03.09 | cirdan | add that with a str one, or agility... |
| 16:03.26 | zenzelezz | without potions/buffs I have 60.02% melee reduction |
| 16:03.44 | dreamss | there is space for a armor flask |
| 16:03.46 | dreamss | heh |
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| 16:13.19 | the-golem | isnt Elixer of Fortification +armor and +defense? |
| 16:15.10 | kamdis | the flask? |
| 16:15.33 | kamdis | 500 health and +10 def |
| 16:16.36 | zenzelezz | Flask |
| 16:16.43 | zenzelezz | and it's defense rating, not raw defense |
| 16:17.00 | kamdis | right |
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| 16:37.21 | Codayus | It'd be niuce if it was something other than def; who the hell runs around under the def cap? |
| 16:38.04 | Cidan | New post on http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/ |
| 16:38.07 | Cidan | Screenshots, too |
| 16:38.07 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:39.25 | kamdis | Wow Cidan. Just wow. |
| 16:39.30 | kamdis | ;) |
| 16:40.19 | zenzelezz | I don't understand the screenshot... is it supposed to light up when he's casting the spell like a normal cast bar? |
| 16:40.37 | Cidan | The screenshot is to display the theme engine |
| 16:40.44 | Cidan | not really what the window is |
| 16:41.01 | Cidan | but if you must know, it's a spell monitor, it keeps track of what every person in the raid is casting |
| 16:41.10 | zenzelezz | with cast progress? |
| 16:41.14 | Cidan | Yes. |
| 16:41.17 | Cidan | Though not yet, :P |
| 16:41.22 | cncfanatics | that thing doesn't look bad, at all |
| 16:41.27 | cncfanatics | its just a theme engine or what is it ? :p |
| 16:41.30 | zenzelezz | I liked Forecast, my previous guild used it until 2.0 or so |
| 16:41.38 | Cidan | The post was more of a focus on the theme engine |
| 16:41.57 | zenzelezz | I know, but themes don't interest me ;) |
| 16:42.17 | cncfanatics | Ciden, what is conspiracy UI ? except that theme engine |
| 16:42.54 | Cidan | It's a modular raiding UI |
| 16:42.59 | Cidan | and information system |
| 16:43.24 | Cidan | Shirik and I have created an entire framework from the ground up, no external libraries |
| 16:44.08 | foxlit | foxlit's second law: the number of wheels in the universe increases along with entropy |
| 16:44.10 | cncfanatics | oooh |
| 16:44.11 | Cidan | We have a unified system in place for the creation of windows, datasets, cells, grids, lists, fonts, textures, unit data, timers. |
| 16:44.17 | Cidan | and so on. |
| 16:44.24 | Shirik | foxlit: Such a great law :D |
| 16:44.31 | cncfanatics | Cidan, how heavy is it ? |
| 16:44.44 | foxlit | |------| this heavy |
| 16:44.45 | Cidan | Our two points are efficiency and ease of use. |
| 16:45.02 | Cidan | We want to make sure we take up as little memory as possible, so we recycle pretty much everything we can. |
| 16:45.06 | Shirik | There is a lot of sharing |
| 16:45.19 | Cidan | But we want the API to be easy for developers to use. |
| 16:45.31 | Shirik | It's done behind the scenes :) |
| 16:45.35 | Cidan | Yep. |
| 16:46.00 | Cidan | That casting timer? From start to what you see there took me about 15 minutes. |
| 16:46.04 | Cidan | Using our API. |
| 16:46.10 | Shirik | casting timer? |
| 16:46.16 | Cidan | check SVN, noob. |
| 16:46.17 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:46.32 | cncfanatics | Cidan, if ur doing GUI stuff I suggest a GTK like API |
| 16:46.44 | Cidan | I would, but I dislike GTK, :P |
| 16:46.48 | Cidan | I prefer QT, BUT |
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| 16:47.07 | Cidan | I think the system we have in place is plenty nice. |
| 16:47.25 | cncfanatics | I don't know QT, how does QT work ? |
| 16:47.44 | Cidan | eh, take a look at qt4 |
| 16:47.57 | Cidan | http://trolltech.com/products/qt |
| 16:48.09 | Cidan | KDE uses QT |
| 16:48.14 | cncfanatics | I know it does |
| 16:48.19 | cncfanatics | I have no idea of his the API is though |
| 16:48.22 | cncfanatics | (I like gnome :p) |
| 16:49.20 | Shirik | I like gnome |
| 16:49.22 | Shirik | but I like QT |
| 16:49.26 | Shirik | so =P |
| 16:49.29 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 16:49.40 | Shirik | Though I started with KDE |
| 16:49.42 | cncfanatics | never used QT so I wouldn't know |
| 16:49.45 | Shirik | it helped me transition from windows |
| 16:50.08 | zenzelezz | you like the window manager? |
| 16:50.20 | foxlit | I finished my ramabuse |
| 16:50.35 | foxlit | For a very odd definition of finished |
| 16:50.40 | zenzelezz | personally I never quite liked KDE or Gnome, I'm more happy on Enlightenment or Xfce |
| 16:50.48 | Cidan | aye |
| 16:50.52 | Cidan | I use xfce more now-a-days |
| 16:50.59 | cncfanatics | gnome does what it does fine for me |
| 16:51.04 | Cidan | actually no, I use fluxbox more than anything |
| 16:51.12 | cncfanatics | hmmm never heard of it |
| 16:51.16 | cncfanatics | whats its advantages ? |
| 16:51.19 | Cidan | wow, :P |
| 16:51.22 | Cidan | google it |
| 16:51.32 | Cidan | it's a very simple UI, no glitz |
| 16:51.35 | Cidan | it just works |
| 16:51.58 | cncfanatics | I like my dark themed gnome :p |
| 16:53.54 | cncfanatics | Cidan, how easy would it to say, make actionbuttons with ur thing ? |
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| 16:54.26 | Cidan | hrm, hard, considering I'm not done with secure headers, etc. |
| 16:54.27 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:54.39 | Cidan | But once I get it done, easy as pie |
| 16:55.24 | cncfanatics | how easy as pie is easy as pie for something like say, flexbar ? :p |
| 16:56.04 | Cidan | local g = Conspiracy.Framework.Grid.new(UIParent); g:SetChild("columnCount", 10); g.NewCell = MyCellFunction; for i=1,10 do g:Add(); end |
| 16:56.16 | Cidan | You now have a button long grid, :P |
| 16:56.57 | cncfanatics | its basicly what AceGUI should have been ? |
| 16:57.14 | Cidan | Eh, I don't look at it like that. |
| 16:57.21 | Shirik | What's the antonym of classified? Non-classified or unclassified? |
| 16:57.29 | Cidan | non |
| 16:57.31 | cncfanatics | currently I'm looking at it as a mix of cyCircled and AceGUI Cidan :p |
| 16:57.32 | Shirik | Not declassified as it was never classified in the first place |
| 16:57.33 | Shirik | thanks |
| 16:57.48 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Thing is |
| 16:57.57 | Shirik | AceGUI/cyCircled have no focus on raiding |
| 16:57.57 | zenzelezz | uh hoes |
| 16:58.01 | zenzelezz | ... ohes |
| 16:58.31 | Shirik | Conspiracy fits a semi-specific purpose, and as such it is optimized to perform in that way |
| 16:58.31 | Cidan | The UI elements focus more on raid use, but when I'm done with the visual framework you should be able to do pretty much anything. |
| 16:58.37 | Shirik | Yeah you can do anything :) |
| 16:58.54 | cncfanatics | Cidan, so you wouldn't recommend it for an actionbutton addon at all ? |
| 16:59.12 | Cidan | Sure I would, I imagine it would be easy as hell. |
| 16:59.12 | cncfanatics | seems like a nice 'alternative' (if I can call it that) to how cyCircled does its skinning, I hate that thing as the code is poor |
| 16:59.30 | Cidan | But I'm biased, :P |
| 16:59.36 | Shirik | However I should point out Conspiracy is not just a GUI framework either |
| 16:59.52 | Cidan | Right, it has a complex data structure backend which Shirik has done, :P |
| 16:59.57 | Cidan | He's a god, really. |
| 17:00.16 | Shirik | Psh |
| 17:00.23 | cncfanatics | what more is it then ? :o |
| 17:00.24 | Shirik | None of it is of any use without something on top of it :) |
| 17:00.29 | Cidan | timers, signals, unit data, modules, filesaving/loading. |
| 17:00.44 | cncfanatics | hmmm, a full framework |
| 17:00.48 | Cidan | Yes. |
| 17:00.53 | zenzelezz | does it come with sugar on top? |
| 17:00.54 | Shirik | scheduling, event processing |
| 17:01.26 | Shirik | And on top of all this |
| 17:01.31 | Shirik | everything is shared :) |
| 17:02.00 | cncfanatics | ain't conspiracy UI a bad name then ? :p |
| 17:02.08 | cncfanatics | its not an UI rly |
| 17:02.19 | Cidan | Right, Shirik and I are nuts about memory usage. Frames, fonts, textures, everything is recycled and reused. |
| 17:02.39 | Cidan | It cuts down on memory usage and garbage by *a lot* |
| 17:02.57 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 17:02.58 | Shirik | Well, if used properly |
| 17:03.12 | Shirik | Someone could still decide to code a module that goes while(true) do foo = {}; end |
| 17:03.18 | Cidan | Yeah, :P |
| 17:03.26 | Shirik | but on the other hand |
| 17:03.30 | cncfanatics | well, I'm quite nuts about cpu mainly, cuz my comp is poor :p and I'm currently considering everything to optimize it :p what would the benefits be if flexbar used it ? |
| 17:03.38 | Shirik | if that same person were to do while(true) do foo = Conspiracy.var.new(); end |
| 17:03.43 | Shirik | It should mostly be safe :) |
| 17:03.47 | Shirik | er, capital V |
| 17:04.32 | Shirik | aside from the obvious infinite loop |
| 17:04.35 | Cidan | Hmm, for CPU usage? I'm not sure. I can almost promise you Conspiracy has less CPU usage than some other frameworks. |
| 17:04.49 | cncfanatics | Rock is pretty good about cpu & mem |
| 17:04.52 | Shirik | adaptive scheduling :) |
| 17:04.53 | cncfanatics | and the profile system is just <3 |
| 17:05.04 | Shirik | You can't guarantee everyone has the same CPU power |
| 17:05.24 | Cidan | I've not used Rock, so I can't really comment. |
| 17:05.29 | Shirik | but you can guarantee that everyone gets a performance which is relative to their system |
| 17:05.48 | cncfanatics | Shirik, tell me more about adaptive scheduling :) |
| 17:05.53 | Shirik | If Conspiracy detects that the computer can't handle everything at once, it'll start dialating the schedule |
| 17:06.00 | cncfanatics | currently I use my own event system on top of rock's |
| 17:06.01 | Shirik | I think Cidan did this for frame motions |
| 17:06.06 | Cidan | indeed. |
| 17:06.23 | Shirik | You supply a target framerate and some dialation factors (which are documented) |
| 17:06.31 | Shirik | Conspiracy handles spreading out updates when necessary |
| 17:06.42 | Shirik | I might actually change this, in fact |
| 17:06.50 | Shirik | I've learned a lot about Solaris's scheduling system |
| 17:06.58 | Cidan | Oh ho? |
| 17:07.00 | Shirik | and they have a neat little idea I might bounce off of |
| 17:07.18 | zenzelezz | do you mean dilation, or is dialation a word I'm just unfamiliar with? |
| 17:08.00 | Shirik | ~dict dialation |
| 17:08.00 | cncfanatics | hmmm, thats sexy |
| 17:08.00 | Shirik | purl! faster! |
| 17:08.00 | cncfanatics | currently I use an update event that triggers every 0.3 seconds |
| 17:08.01 | zenzelezz | I tried dictionary.reference.com but got only suggestions |
| 17:08.04 | Shirik | ok then it's probably dilation |
| 17:08.05 | Cidan | he means dilation, :P |
| 17:08.27 | Shirik | cncfanatics: That's not too bad, but you're missing two things |
| 17:08.30 | zenzelezz | all right. For all I knew it could be a fancy math term, I'm quite horrid in that area |
| 17:08.39 | Shirik | (1) For people with awesome computers, you're not taking advantage of their full potential |
| 17:08.50 | Shirik | (2) For people with a bazillion mods, that could still not be enough |
| 17:09.07 | Shirik | How do you appeal to both? Adaptive scheduling ;) |
| 17:09.11 | cncfanatics | well Shirik, its for usable highlights and such |
| 17:09.12 | Shirik | Okay, I'm done being a marketer though |
| 17:09.15 | cncfanatics | can't really have it much slower then 0.5 |
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| 17:09.25 | Shirik | You can supply a maximum, of course :) |
| 17:09.54 | cncfanatics | hmmm, lots of stuff happening in the framework stuff lately :) |
| 17:10.05 | Cidan | For example, I have a function on all frames Conspiracy creates, frame:Move(x,y,t), move a frame to x,y over t seconds relative to UIParent bottomleft. I have a timer set so it moves the frame bit by bit, but if it detects a drop under 30 FPS, it will start to dilate out. |
| 17:10.12 | cncfanatics | I think i'm going to let conspiracy, ace3 & rock mature & then make a choice |
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| 17:10.53 | cncfanatics | its more then just a framework though isn't it ? |
| 17:10.59 | Shirik | this is the function header for the function which creates a new task: http://wowi.pastey.net/75002 |
| 17:11.29 | Shirik | You could do something like Conspiracy.Task.new(updateHighlights, 0.1, 30, 4) |
| 17:11.29 | cncfanatics | Shirik, is conspiracy ment to be a framework for developers or an UI for users ? or both ? |
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| 17:12.00 | Cidan | Both |
| 17:12.01 | Shirik | Its core package will likely have some modules which will make it functional as a UI, much like RDX did |
| 17:12.02 | Shirik | so Both |
| 17:12.02 | zenzelezz | I'd guess there's "Conspiracy" and "Conspiracy UI" |
| 17:12.42 | cncfanatics | grrr, the warlock I just ganked twice ganked me while afk |
| 17:12.45 | Cidan | Conspiracy is the base package, it holds the framework and main menu. From there we have modules, CSM_Karazhan, CSM_SpellMonitor, CSM_RaidFrames, etc. |
| 17:12.57 | Cidan | All of which require Conspiracy. |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:13.16 | Shirik | poor cncfanatics |
| 17:13.20 | Cidan | :P |
| 17:13.22 | zenzelezz | does it come with a Fubar/Titanbar? |
| 17:13.32 | Cidan | Yes, it comes wi... no, gdmf, :P |
| 17:13.54 | cncfanatics | Cidan, CSM_ActionBar comes when ? :p |
| 17:14.00 | Cidan | Whenever someone wants to code it, :P |
| 17:14.02 | Shirik | there's nothing stopping you from making it :) |
| 17:14.06 | Cidan | Not my cup-o-tea |
| 17:14.10 | cncfanatics | I have flexbar to maintain |
| 17:14.12 | Shirik | mine either :P |
| 17:14.21 | cncfanatics | its mine, but flexbar is enough :) |
| 17:15.48 | cncfanatics | how hard would it be to fork fb to use conspiracy ? and then compare the rock & consp version |
| 17:15.48 | foxlit | Inappropriate analogy time |
| 17:15.53 | foxlit | Conspiracy is like CT_Core. |
| 17:16.07 | cncfanatics | I was already planning to do that with ace3 when its out anyway, might as well add conspiracy too |
| 17:16.44 | Cidan | I don't know. I can't answer that question since I don't know what fb looks like code-wise |
| 17:17.18 | cncfanatics | go take a look ? :p |
| 17:18.15 | cncfanatics | Cidan, or I can explain it if you want |
| 17:18.23 | cncfanatics | I think that code is more obvious then words for that kind of stuff though |
| 17:18.24 | Cidan | Hmm, it likely wouldn't be TOO hard, I mean, did you modularize your code? |
| 17:18.37 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 17:18.51 | Cidan | Then you should be fine so long as you can replace some sections without breaking others. |
| 17:18.52 | cncfanatics | I have a core that basicly does nothing except handle object creation, every button is an object |
| 17:19.07 | cncfanatics | and as buttons are created, modules are "asked" to do their stuff |
| 17:19.25 | Cidan | You should be fine then |
| 17:19.48 | cncfanatics | might give it a go when I make the Ace3 fork to compare with the rock version |
| 17:20.54 | cncfanatics | is there profiles support ? |
| 17:21.19 | Cidan | something like that, we're not done with that bit yet. |
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| 17:21.48 | Shirik | cncfanatics: An entire module command system is in place, though it may not work well for your system, I don't know |
| 17:22.07 | Shirik | You can pass a command to any module, it will execute that command (if it exists) and then forward the command to all of its children |
| 17:22.25 | Shirik | It's guaranteed that the parent will process the command before its child, however, it's not guaranteed the order in which children are called |
| 17:22.57 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 17:23.03 | cncfanatics | that'd be handy for buttons and groups of buttons |
| 17:23.12 | Shirik | Four basic commands exist, and are executed by Conspiracy automatically: PreInit, Init, PostInit, and Shutdown |
| 17:23.38 | cncfanatics | I made the following commands for FB objects, Load, Activate, LoadSettings, UpdateSettings, SetDefaults, Deactivate |
| 17:24.27 | Shirik | ok seriously I have to get back to work |
| 17:24.32 | cncfanatics | ok have fun :) |
| 17:26.05 | Shirik | grr |
| 17:26.07 | Shirik | how to spell |
| 17:26.11 | Shirik | ~dict cathartic |
| 17:26.17 | Shirik | perfect |
| 17:26.20 | Shirik | purl, thanks |
| 17:26.20 | purl | Shirik: no worries |
| 17:34.34 | KarlKFI | So.. what should i get on a spell dmg swd to tank with... |
| 17:35.07 | KarlKFI | 15 agil, 40 spell dmg, or battlebaster |
| 17:35.18 | KarlKFI | Battlemaster* |
| 17:35.32 | zenzelezz | I'm hearing very split opinions on Battlemaster, but I mostly talk to warrior tanks |
| 17:35.44 | KarlKFI | well i figure it's extra agro |
| 17:36.02 | KarlKFI | and i assume it procs similarly to spellsurge |
| 17:36.07 | zenzelezz | it is, but how much is heavily debated |
| 17:36.23 | zenzelezz | my mentor assures me it's "useless" for me, but I don't know from experience |
| 17:36.30 | KarlKFI | i'm sure it has a % proc and a hidden cooldown like most procs |
| 17:37.33 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing Mongoose isn't all that for a paladin |
| 17:37.49 | KarlKFI | it's ok, but expensive |
| 17:38.08 | KarlKFI | the agil i think does the same for pallies as war's |
| 17:38.12 | KarlKFI | dodge and crit |
| 17:38.58 | KarlKFI | mongoose is definitely more expensive tho |
| 17:39.14 | KarlKFI | not sure i wanna spend that much for my ilvl 100 weapon |
| 17:39.25 | zenzelezz | looking at the pala tank in this raid, he uses spell damage |
| 17:39.35 | zenzelezz | he could still be "wrong" of course |
| 17:39.39 | KarlKFI | right, i assume most do cause it's obvious |
| 17:39.59 | KarlKFI | you want spell dmg fast weapons, so more spell dmg can't be wrong |
| 17:40.04 | KarlKFI | but it may not be the best |
| 17:40.34 | Shirik | does notepad have a word count? |
| 17:40.50 | zenzelezz | no |
| 17:40.59 | foxlit | replace " ", "", compare file size |
| 17:41.19 | Shirik | that's character count |
| 17:41.27 | Shirik | and I don't want to lose all this work >< |
| 17:41.34 | KarlKFI | replace undo |
| 17:42.05 | Shirik | all right, how do I do a word count in word 2007? |
| 17:42.21 | zenzelezz | think older versions had it in the file properties somewhere? |
| 17:42.28 | Shirik | yeah, there's no toolbar anymore |
| 17:42.32 | Shirik | s/toolbar/menu/ |
| 17:43.17 | Shirik | ah found it |
| 17:43.20 | Shirik | review -> word count |
| 17:43.33 | Shirik | This is amusing, I'm writing an RP post, and it's longer than some of my high school essays |
| 17:43.35 | Shirik | and it's only half done |
| 17:43.42 | foxlit | for word in document:gmatch("%S+") do words++; end |
| 17:51.21 | Polarina | foxlit: Invalid syntax. |
| 17:51.24 | KarlKFI | there should be a menu option to show word count in the status bar |
| 17:51.50 | KarlKFI | i have word 2004 tho so i dunno |
| 17:52.33 | KarlKFI | in the tools menu i have a word count option |
| 17:52.53 | KarlKFI | that has a checkbox ont he window to put it int he footbar |
| 17:53.28 | Cidan | One of these days I'm going to redo my entire router system. |
| 17:53.32 | Cidan | It realllly needs to be redone. |
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| 17:59.05 | foxlit | Polarina: I didn't specify a language |
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| 18:15.35 | cncfanatics | huh ? |
| 18:15.39 | cncfanatics | I get dc as soon as I connect |
| 18:15.49 | cncfanatics | the UI finishes loading, poof disconnect -.- |
| 18:17.11 | KarlKFI | connect faster! |
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| 18:25.18 | mikma | http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/poikamiesboksi.jpg |
| 18:28.08 | Thunder_Child | coke could prolly use that as an advertising campaign |
| 18:36.21 | Shirik | ~dict vigilent |
| 18:36.30 | Shirik | ~dict vigilant |
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| 19:15.07 | zenzelezz | 2x[Bands of the Celestial Archer] on same trash pull |
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| 19:17.37 | Guillotine | so somehow my WoW folder is now read only and won't change back o.O |
| 19:18.02 | Fisker- | pwnt? |
| 19:18.04 | zenzelezz | lacking privileges? |
| 19:18.14 | Fisker- | shouldn't happen |
| 19:18.45 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, use the admin account |
| 19:18.55 | Guillotine | I am :( |
| 19:19.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, then use administrator |
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| 20:01.06 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalenuke Guillotine |
| 20:01.07 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Guillotine with his mind powers |
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| 20:14.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | whalenuke is officially the best purl command ever |
| 20:15.04 | Cidan | Seriously. |
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| 20:16.35 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 20:16.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Mr_Rabies2 |
| 20:16.38 | purl | ACTION crits Mr_Rabies2 with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Mr_Rabies2 dies |
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| 20:18.12 | zenzelezz | how freaking hard is it to see you have the bomb on Solarian... there's like four warnings at least |
| 20:18.50 | Shirik|Ecole | You are the bomb! (This is not a good thing! GTFO!) |
| 20:18.55 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 20:20.07 | zenzelezz | there's the tell, the skull on your head, the debuff, the beams coming out of you, the people shouting on Ventrilo |
| 20:22.44 | the-golem | and the raid warning, no? |
| 20:22.48 | zenzelezz | yeah |
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| 20:31.51 | bleeter | oooh, they updated the radeonhd driver for me :) |
| 20:32.01 | bleeter | yay for open source video drivers \o/ |
| 20:32.12 | bleeter | take that, nvidia! |
| 20:34.18 | Cidan | yeah |
| 20:34.29 | Cidan | At this point I may go back to ATI soon. |
| 20:34.40 | Cidan | Simply because my 8800 is crap under xorg |
| 20:34.52 | Cidan | the drive causes the CPU to go to 100% just by moving a window. |
| 20:34.54 | Cidan | er, driver. |
| 20:35.01 | Cidan | And it's not just me, it's everyone. |
| 20:35.35 | bleeter | my lappy's got X1700m the specific chipset/display driver variant wasn't known... used the provided tool to send the info upstream, new version built in about 5 hours. loverly :) |
| 20:35.47 | bleeter | X1700... -m |
| 20:35.56 | bleeter | I think that was meant to be a , |
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| 20:56.50 | zenzelezz | zomg, Solarian down |
| 20:57.03 | Shirik|Ecole | You're the bomb! |
| 20:57.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean, grats |
| 20:58.25 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf? |
| 20:58.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Office's XML format is proposed to be an ISO standard? |
| 20:59.04 | zenzelezz | long ago |
| 20:59.25 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 20:59.27 | Shirik|Ecole | did it pass? |
| 20:59.36 | zenzelezz | don't know |
| 21:00.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ISO's site says it's still "under development" |
| 21:00.55 | Shirik|Ecole | stage 40.60 |
| 21:04.06 | bleeter | M$ office? |
| 21:04.15 | bleeter | nah, the fast-tracking of it got thrown out |
| 21:05.26 | Shirik|Ecole | ISO DIS 29500 |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm looking at it... |
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| 21:06.55 | bleeter | "Controversially, the specification is currently undergoing fast-track standardization within the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) as DIS 29500 (Draft International Standard 29500), but the draft text has failed (as of the September 2007 ballot) to reach sufficient approval from ISO national body members to be accepted as a standard." |
| 21:07.02 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML |
| 21:07.39 | bleeter | "More than 10% of the examples used in the WordProcessingML part of the specification (300 of 2300) do not validate against the schema, indicating that the examples in specification have not been reviewed enough prior to becoming an Ecma standard" |
| 21:07.45 | bleeter | "# Errors in the spreadsheet formula specifications confirmed by Microsoft" |
| 21:07.48 | bleeter | etc. etc. |
| 21:07.58 | bleeter | it was a dog's breakfast, rightfully turned down |
| 21:09.56 | bleeter | revote on 25-29 Feb next year, so no.. not a standard |
| 21:16.46 | Cidan | Question |
| 21:17.09 | Cidan | Is defining a global as local, ie local abs = math.abs, faster? |
| 21:17.14 | Cidan | And if so, why? |
| 21:17.20 | Cidan | And do we have benchmarks? |
| 21:17.21 | foxlit | Yes, less table lookups |
| 21:17.29 | foxlit | You can easily construct one yourself |
| 21:17.49 | cncfanatics | math is a table, that'd be one less table lookup so faster, thats one for sure |
| 21:17.58 | cncfanatics | what I wonder is wether local tonumber = tonumber; makes it actualy faster |
| 21:17.59 | Polarina | But doing that and calling that function once is just pure overhead. |
| 21:18.19 | foxlit | There's a lookup for _G |
| 21:18.27 | Cidan | I just question how valid the speed up of such methods are. |
| 21:18.39 | cncfanatics | also a lookup for the local namespace when calling locals ? or not ? |
| 21:18.40 | Polarina | Cidan: I wouldn't bother doing that. |
| 21:18.57 | Cidan | Nor would I, I would think the VM would take care of it. |
| 21:19.09 | Cidan | cladhair would know for sure, I'll ask him when he's around. |
| 21:19.15 | Polarina | Cidan: The overhead between locals and globals are under a millisecond on a decent machine. |
| 21:19.27 | Cidan | cladhaire, even, :P |
| 21:19.47 | Shirik | Polarina: What about a thousand globals and a thousand locals? |
| 21:19.57 | Shirik | Or perhaps this is more realistic |
| 21:19.58 | Cidan | Oh shut up Shirik, :P |
| 21:20.07 | Shirik | What about 100 accesses to a single variable |
| 21:20.10 | cncfanatics | Cidan, the FrameXML code with local's at top is Iriel's, think thats pretty reliable too |
| 21:20.11 | Shirik | Which is located at foo.bar.baz |
| 21:20.30 | cncfanatics | very even |
| 21:20.45 | Shirik | Cidan: Point is, globals are actually very slow. Making a global into a local is equivalent to removing an entire table lookup |
| 21:20.50 | Cidan | Doesn't the compiler optimize? |
| 21:20.57 | Shirik | nop |
| 21:21.03 | Shirik | and fact of the matter is, it can't |
| 21:21.05 | Cidan | That's fucking retarded. |
| 21:21.14 | Shirik | foo.bar.baz could be 100 different things at 100 different points |
| 21:21.49 | Cidan | and all links to it would change with it |
| 21:21.55 | Shirik | And btw, Polarina |
| 21:22.09 | Shirik | I know people would would tell me a millisecond is an extremely long time |
| 21:22.19 | Shirik | I may not be one of them, but I do partially agree with them |
| 21:22.28 | Polarina | Shirik: o.O |
| 21:22.32 | Polarina | Shirik: Tell me more. |
| 21:22.48 | Shirik | what's there to tell? |
| 21:22.56 | Polarina | What you agree to. |
| 21:23.19 | Shirik | A millisecond, as far as a computer is concerned, is quite a long time |
| 21:23.25 | Cidan | indeed |
| 21:23.36 | Shirik | let's put it in this perspective: We'll assume that a millisecond is 1/8th the time of a HDD access |
| 21:23.45 | Shirik | which is a fair assumption, I think about 8ms is a decent seek time |
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| 21:24.14 | Shirik | Now let's do this: Let's say instead of the GHz processors we have, we'll say our CPU's clock rate is 1 Hz |
| 21:24.17 | Shirik | that is, one tick per second |
| 21:24.19 | cncfanatics | Shirik, also, how much faster is using _G.global compared to just global ? |
| 21:24.47 | Shirik | If our clock operated at one tick per second, a hard drive access would take about 1 year |
| 21:24.51 | Polarina | cncfanactics: Same speed as two pure globals. |
| 21:24.57 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Slower |
| 21:25.01 | Shirik | Because _G is a global too |
| 21:25.30 | Shirik | So, looking at it from that perspective, 1 millisecond is a bit over 1 month of time |
| 21:25.31 | cncfanatics | Shirik, I mean, some people like to do local varname = _G.varname |
| 21:25.33 | cncfanatics | any point ? |
| 21:25.44 | Shirik | I do "local varname = varname" |
| 21:25.48 | cncfanatics | same |
| 21:25.49 | Shirik | and I do it a lot :) |
| 21:25.56 | Shirik | in fact |
| 21:26.02 | cncfanatics | it happens I do it, not all that often tbh :p |
| 21:26.03 | Shirik | it's at the top of every single one of Conspiracy's files at least once |
| 21:26.03 | Cidan | This upsets me that lua doesn't optimize it |
| 21:26.26 | cncfanatics | Shirik |
| 21:26.49 | cncfanatics | would local _G = _G and then declaring say, 10 globals with _G.global be faster then with just global ? |
| 21:27.03 | Polarina | Cidan: Because doing math.floor(4) math.floor(6) -- the function floor (or a metatable set to _G, math) could do anything to itsself. |
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| 21:27.15 | Shirik | yes, but it may not necessarily be the same |
| 21:27.31 | Shirik | the local _G would not change, however the global _G would be adjusted by WoW if the environment changes |
| 21:27.51 | Shirik | and btw, Cidan, this is exactly WHY it can't be optimized |
| 21:28.16 | Shirik | because Lua is a language where two variables named exactly the same, hell even the same line, may not be the same thing at two different points in time |
| 21:28.45 | Cidan | I call bullshit personally, I'm positive there is a way. |
| 21:28.49 | cncfanatics | huh ? ain't the local _G just a reference to the global _G ? |
| 21:29.00 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Yes. |
| 21:29.18 | cncfanatics | ah nvm I see |
| 21:29.18 | Polarina | cncfanatics: But everything within the table matches to both the global and the local. |
| 21:29.18 | Shirik | yes, but if the global changes |
| 21:29.19 | Shirik | the local won't |
| 21:29.20 | cncfanatics | misread |
| 21:29.27 | cncfanatics | if the global changes reference the local will keep the old ref |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik | right |
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| 21:31.17 | Polarina | >>> A = { [1] = "WEE", [2] = "WOW", }; local B = A; B[3] = "ORLY"; print(A[3]) |
| 21:31.18 | Cide | Polarina: "ORLY" |
| 21:31.31 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Above line for you. :) |
| 21:32.19 | cncfanatics | Polarina, I know lua references for tables :) |
| 21:32.30 | Polarina | O'rly? |
| 21:32.34 | Cidan | rofl. |
| 21:35.10 | Cidan | it's funny when you replay HL2 and notice the G-man all over the place |
| 21:35.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | same in hl1 |
| 21:35.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 21:36.34 | Polarina | Shirik: Back to that millisecond talk. So you are basically saying that I'm playing WoW with 72 months lag? |
| 21:36.58 | Shirik | if that'sh ow you want to look at it, sure |
| 21:37.11 | Shirik | as far as your processor is concerned, it's sitting on its ass for a year waiting for the server to reply |
| 21:37.27 | Polarina | Shirik: Must be much more lag (Rendering). So how does 72 months make sence? |
| 21:37.32 | Polarina | s/sence/sense/ |
| 21:37.50 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:38.11 | Polarina | Can't be 72 months on a 1 Hz processor. It can't be that super fast! |
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| 21:45.27 | zenzelezz | just saw from experience that paladins can indeed tank Gruul |
| 21:46.52 | Cide | really? inconceivable! |
| 21:49.06 | sag_ich_nicht | duh |
| 21:49.09 | sag_ich_nicht | imp. conc. aura |
| 21:49.17 | sag_ich_nicht | and you don't even need it, but it's better to have it. |
| 21:49.30 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking non believers |
| 21:49.45 | zenzelezz | I have no clue how pala tanks work |
| 21:49.55 | zenzelezz | I've just always been told wah wah block crush zomg |
| 21:50.50 | sag_ich_nicht | paladins don't get crushings |
| 21:50.53 | sag_ich_nicht | unless they like |
| 21:50.55 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 21:50.56 | sag_ich_nicht | suck |
| 21:52.35 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 21:54.16 | sag_ich_nicht | (or don't have the gear yet, but then wth are they doing in a raid) |
| 21:55.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get crushed like a motherfucker on bosses |
| 21:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 21:55.45 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 21:55.47 | sag_ich_nicht | druid |
| 21:55.50 | sag_ich_nicht | or no tank? :X |
| 21:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | drood |
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| 21:56.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | my crushing hits are for nothing though |
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| 22:00.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ag` (n=ag`@0x535cbb03.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:00.22 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 22:00.38 | cncfanatics | thistle tea + adrenaline rush + bladefury + bloodfury + trinket = ?? |
| 22:00.55 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 22:01.10 | sag_ich_nicht | it'll still say immune when i pop bubble |
| 22:01.10 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 22:01.13 | sag_ich_nicht | hell |
| 22:01.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't even need to pop the bubble! |
| 22:01.23 | cncfanatics | just pop holy shield and let him kill himself |
| 22:01.30 | sag_ich_nicht | BoP is enough against you crazy rogues |
| 22:01.32 | cncfanatics | funny when rogues burn all their cd's and kill themselves :p |
| 22:01.34 | sag_ich_nicht | not a paladin tank :X |
| 22:01.39 | cncfanatics | I am :p |
| 22:01.41 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 22:01.46 | cncfanatics | against a clothie thats a dead clothie though |
| 22:01.50 | cncfanatics | (rerolling rogue atm :)) |
| 22:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | retribution :X |
| 22:02.04 | cncfanatics | actualy against anything but a pala its a dead <class> |
| 22:02.17 | sag_ich_nicht | nah |
| 22:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | drood |
| 22:02.24 | sag_ich_nicht | shift bear |
| 22:02.26 | sag_ich_nicht | and then /lol |
| 22:02.41 | cncfanatics | thats still a lot of cd's |
| 22:02.45 | cncfanatics | think he might get the drood :p |
| 22:02.58 | sag_ich_nicht | not if he's in tank equip :X |
| 22:03.12 | sag_ich_nicht | lol 75% melee dmg reduction :X |
| 22:03.25 | cncfanatics | then he can't kill the rogue either though |
| 22:05.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 |
| 22:05.39 | sag_ich_nicht | can he? |
| 22:05.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 22:05.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | dowhat |
| 22:05.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:00] <cncfanatics> thistle tea + adrenaline rush + bladefury + bloodfury + trinket = ?? |
| 22:05.56 | sag_ich_nicht | rogue |
| 22:06.00 | sag_ich_nicht | dr00d in tank equip |
| 22:06.05 | sag_ich_nicht | at armor cap |
| 22:06.09 | sag_ich_nicht | uncritable |
| 22:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | not uncrittable |
| 22:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe for a mob |
| 22:06.27 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah incritable from a mob |
| 22:06.28 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 22:06.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and well, only technically uncrittable |
| 22:06.38 | sag_ich_nicht | *uncritable |
| 22:06.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you always can be crit by a mob |
| 22:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | even with 400000 defense |
| 22:06.53 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah yadayadayadayadayadayada |
| 22:06.57 | sag_ich_nicht | can he kill the rogue |
| 22:06.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but uh |
| 22:07.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 22:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogue will tear him up |
| 22:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't habeeb it |
| 22:07.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | he won't do jackshit for damage |
| 22:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the rogue will do more |
| 22:07.24 | sag_ich_nicht | our druid tank does it regularly :X |
| 22:07.46 | sag_ich_nicht | name a good rogue! |
| 22:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do about...200-300 dps in bear gear to leather |
| 22:07.52 | sag_ich_nicht | we'll let Thrae bot decide! |
| 22:08.04 | cncfanatics | Threabot won't factor in all cds :p |
| 22:08.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | Hanley Llane US |
| 22:08.15 | foxlit | Haha |
| 22:08.19 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan sodexho us hanley llane |
| 22:08.22 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 22:08.25 | foxlit | I outdamage the nearest warlock 2:1 |
| 22:08.26 | sag_ich_nicht | fail |
| 22:08.36 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan sodexho us hanley llane hanley |
| 22:08.37 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 22:08.38 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 22:08.38 | sag_ich_nicht | typo |
| 22:08.41 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan sodexho us llane hanley |
| 22:08.44 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Sodexho vs Hanley! A L70 druid and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/47/14 vs 19/42/0; Hanley wins by 582 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:08.49 | sag_ich_nicht | well that's a shame. |
| 22:09.30 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 22:09.33 | sag_ich_nicht | she didn't log in tank gear |
| 22:09.34 | sag_ich_nicht | shame on her |
| 22:09.38 | sag_ich_nicht | she always does, ffs |
| 22:09.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | or bear form, usually |
| 22:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | Jamsheed's in tank gear but not in bear form |
| 22:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | on cho'gall :i |
| 22:10.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Thraebot takes into account forms :X |
| 22:10.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | dooz it |
| 22:10.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | !vs us llane hanley us cho'gall jamsheed |
| 22:10.50 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Hanley vs Jamsheed! A L70 rogue and a L70 druid square off!; 19/42/0 vs 0/49/12; Hanley wins by 586 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:12.59 | sag_ich_nicht | 0/49/12 is for noobs! |
| 22:13.01 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 22:13.45 | mikma | !vs eu burning legion marble us llane hanley |
| 22:13.46 | ThraeBot | mikma: Marble vs Hanley! A L70 warrior and a L70 rogue square off!; 33/28/0 vs 19/42/0; Marble wins by 173 TBRs! |
| 22:15.23 | Polarina | Who has a level 67 character? |
| 22:15.30 | Polarina | Non-twink... |
| 22:15.56 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 22:16.00 | sag_ich_nicht | new players? |
| 22:16.04 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 22:16.20 | Polarina | NEW?? |
| 22:16.22 | Polarina | Grr... |
| 22:16.28 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 22:16.29 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe |
| 22:16.29 | Polarina | I've been playing since february! |
| 22:16.31 | sag_ich_nicht | you mean Industrial |
| 22:16.32 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 22:16.37 | Polarina | What realm? |
| 22:16.39 | sag_ich_nicht | play more! |
| 22:16.47 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 22:16.55 | Arcaia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhU |
| 22:16.56 | Arcaia | vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhU |
| 22:17.00 | Arcaia | -v |
| 22:18.30 | Polarina | What realm does Industrial play on? |
| 22:19.36 | mikma | hmm |
| 22:19.40 | mikma | grim batol |
| 22:20.52 | Polarina | Not on armoury... |
| 22:21.12 | Polarina | Just a level 41 char named Industrial.. |
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| 22:24.18 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina US Aerie Peak Bleeter |
| 22:24.36 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina US Aerie Peak Bleeter |
| 22:24.42 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Bleeter! Bleeter has +3 lvls on Polarina (67 vs 70); A L67 hunter and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/11/45 vs 32/6/23; Polarina wins by 488 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:24.49 | Polarina | o.O |
| 22:25.14 | Polarina | Never expected the ***OWNED!*** part... |
| 22:25.54 | mikma | Polarina: was the lvl41 char priest? |
| 22:26.07 | Polarina | mikma: Don't know.. |
| 22:27.35 | Cidan | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina US Eredar Cidan |
| 22:27.38 | ThraeBot | Cidan: Polarina vs Cidan! Polarina has +1 lvls on Cidan (67 vs 66); A L67 hunter and a L66 paladin square off!; 0/11/45 vs 43/13/0; Polarina wins by 726 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:27.41 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:27.42 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:27.49 | Polarina | o.O |
| 22:28.07 | Polarina | Am I overpowered? |
| 22:28.12 | Cidan | No, I'm holy. |
| 22:28.32 | Polarina | Cidan: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Scarshield+Legion&n=Polarina - Look at my sword. :P And bow. AND +Crit change! |
| 22:29.57 | Cidan | Hmph, :P |
| 22:30.39 | Polarina | Lets see how I go in a duel with my guild leader. |
| 22:31.09 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina EU Scarshield Legion Haegemonia |
| 22:31.11 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Haegemonia! Haegemonia has +3 lvls on Polarina (67 vs 70); A L67 hunter and a L70 mage square off!; 0/11/45 vs 10/46/5; Haegemonia wins by 230 TBRs! |
| 22:31.16 | Polarina | :( |
| 22:31.20 | Polarina | And the others... |
| 22:31.34 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina EU Scarshield Legion Himendria |
| 22:31.37 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Himendria! Himendria has +3 lvls on Polarina (67 vs 70); A L67 hunter and a L70 mage square off!; 0/11/45 vs 10/51/0; Polarina wins by 596 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:31.40 | Polarina | !!! |
| 22:31.43 | Thrae | !help vsd |
| 22:31.43 | ThraeBot | !vsd <eu/us> <server> <character> <eu/us> <server2> <character2> -- This shows how each stat adds to that character's TBR, where w:<number> is the weight for that stat vs that class and/or build type, and (c+<number>) is a count of all weights related to the fight, even if the stat is 0. The final TBR is divded by c. Do not use this in channel. |
| 22:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | sigh |
| 22:32.00 | foxlit | http://img297..imageshack.us/img297/5771/moonjm5.jpg |
| 22:32.07 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan ruknor eu sharshield legion polarina |
| 22:32.09 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 22:32.10 | foxlit | gah |
| 22:32.11 | sag_ich_nicht | damn typo |
| 22:32.18 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina EU Scarshield Legion Camal |
| 22:32.18 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan ruknor eu scarshield legion polarina |
| 22:32.20 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Camal! Camal has +3 lvls on Polarina (67 vs 70); A L67 hunter and a L70 warlock square off!; 0/11/45 vs 44/17/0; Camal wins by 70 TBRs! |
| 22:32.21 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor vs Polarina! Ruknor has +3 lvls on Polarina (70 vs 67); A L70 paladin and a L67 hunter square off!; 0/8/53 vs 0/11/45; Ruknor wins by 320 TBRs! |
| 22:32.23 | foxlit | http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5711/moonjm5.jpg |
| 22:34.23 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina US Bonechewer Cairenn |
| 22:34.25 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Cairenn! Polarina has +7 lvls on Cairenn (67 vs 60); Two hunters square off!; 0/11/45 vs 43/5/3; Polarina wins by 730 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:35.00 | Polarina | Wrong realm! |
| 22:35.19 | Polarina | !vs EU Scarshield Legion Polarina US Uldaman Cairenn |
| 22:35.22 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Polarina vs Cairenn! Cairenn has +3 lvls on Polarina (67 vs 70); A L67 hunter and a L70 paladin square off!; 0/11/45 vs 48/13/0; Polarina wins by 376 TBRs! |
| 22:35.28 | Polarina | O.o!! |
| 22:35.59 | cncfanatics | yea right |
| 22:36.16 | Polarina | What if I put it the other way around? |
| 22:36.32 | Polarina | !vs US Uldaman Cairenn EU Scarshield Legion Polarina |
| 22:36.32 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Cairenn vs Polarina! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? Polarina wins by 6721406 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 22:36.43 | Polarina | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:36.50 | Polarina | Integer overflow? |
| 22:37.11 | foxlit | The ratings are not commutative, clearly |
| 22:37.17 | Polarina | Don't tell anyone. I wana supprise Cairenn when she comes online. :P |
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| 22:39.39 | Shirik | you are aware that is a random event, right Polarina? o.o |
| 22:39.48 | Polarina | Random event? |
| 22:40.01 | Polarina | !vs US Uldaman Cairenn EU Scarshield Legion Polarina |
| 22:40.02 | ThraeBot | Polarina: Cairenn vs Polarina! Cairenn has +3 lvls on Polarina (70 vs 67); A L70 paladin and a L67 hunter square off!; 48/13/0 vs 0/11/45; Polarina wins by 376 TBRs! |
| 22:40.06 | Polarina | Oh! |
| 22:40.12 | Cairenn | not me |
| 22:40.23 | Polarina | What then? |
| 22:41.14 | cncfanatics | Cairenn losing vs a lvl 67 lol |
| 22:41.28 | Cairenn | it's.not.me |
| 22:41.38 | Polarina | Cairenn: What is your character then? |
| 22:41.38 | Cairenn | my highest is a 52 |
| 22:41.57 | Polarina | Cairenn: Eh... |
| 22:41.58 | sag_ich_nicht | go level! |
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| 22:42.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whaleslap Cairenn |
| 22:42.08 | purl | ACTION beats Cairenn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:43.01 | Kaso | What does TBR stand for? |
| 22:43.08 | Polarina | Thrae Bot Rating. |
| 22:43.10 | Polarina | ~TBR |
| 22:43.11 | purl | it has been said that tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 22:43.44 | Polarina | purl: Cookie. |
| 22:43.44 | purl | ACTION gives <who> a cookie |
| 22:43.57 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for you. |
| 22:43.58 | Kaso | ~botsnack |
| 22:43.58 | purl | Kaso: :) |
| 22:44.18 | Kaso | what the hell ^ |
| 22:44.21 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 22:45.08 | mikma | purl: cookie assblaster |
| 22:45.09 | Thunder_Child | huh...purl finaly went psycho |
| 22:45.29 | mikma | purl: cookie squirrel |
| 22:45.56 | mikma | its a fortunecookie thing |
| 22:46.06 | Polarina | lol |
| 22:46.13 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for me. |
| 22:46.27 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for purl. |
| 22:46.37 | mikma | purl: cookie devil |
| 22:46.54 | Polarina | purl: Cooke fortune |
| 22:47.22 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for fortune |
| 22:47.31 | foxlit | "Microsoft Live Search: Find what you like -> coffee" |
| 22:47.42 | Polarina | purl: Thanks. |
| 22:47.42 | purl | my pleasure, Polarina |
| 22:47.48 | foxlit | Who the heck would type coffee into a search engine? What would they expect to get out of it? |
| 22:48.04 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for everyone. |
| 22:48.08 | foxlit | "It's in your kitchen, noob"? |
| 22:48.23 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for everyone |
| 22:48.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to find a coffee nerd :[ |
| 22:48.48 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for coffee |
| 22:48.54 | Thunder_Child | literal |
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| 22:48.58 | Thunder_Child | ~literal |
| 22:48.58 | purl | Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets! |
| 22:49.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ~mute purl |
| 22:49.04 | purl | ACTION superglues purl's lips together |
| 22:49.07 | Thunder_Child | not really sure i get that one |
| 22:49.19 | foxlit | ~literal literal |
| 22:49.20 | purl | "literal" is "<reply>Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!" |
| 22:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl: Cookie for Rockso |
| 22:49.41 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for Polarina |
| 22:49.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 22:49.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | broked |
| 22:49.57 | foxlit | Hint: your name isn't in any cookie factoids. |
| 22:49.59 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for Polarina! |
| 22:50.10 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for Google |
| 22:50.18 | mikma | hah |
| 22:50.18 | Polarina | ... |
| 22:50.28 | Polarina | purl: Cookie for Yahoo! |
| 22:50.29 | mikma | purl: cookie testicle |
| 22:50.40 | foxlit | And "for" isn't really needed |
| 22:51.01 | foxlit | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/press/2007/10-02ZuneNextGenIMAGE%20_lg.jpg |
| 22:51.05 | foxlit | Don't they look awfully happy? |
| 22:51.32 | mikma | foxlit: well the other one has the money to be awfully happy :D |
| 22:52.07 | Kaso | That is a terrible photograph |
| 22:52.15 | foxlit | Bill looks positively old, Allard looks like he doesn't want to be there |
| 22:52.33 | Kaso | its not even in focus |
| 22:52.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://bdmonkeys.net/brown.png |
| 22:52.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 22:52.51 | foxlit | The background isn't really supposed to be |
| 22:53.03 | foxlit | Judging by the pixel patterns, I'd guess they intended this one for print |
| 22:53.40 | Kaso | The problem is that the hands are in focus, not the faces |
| 22:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh geez |
| 22:54.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't even realize that |
| 22:54.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | his hand |
| 22:54.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | really shouldn't be in focus |
| 22:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | at all |
| 22:54.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | look at gates' hand |
| 22:54.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's all deformed lookin in that pic |
| 22:54.58 | foxlit | Don't think it looks all that wrong |
| 22:55.07 | foxlit | Him wearing the one ring, though |
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| 23:30.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm Doctor Rockso, the Rock N' Roll Clown! |
| 23:31.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | Ku-ku-ku-ku-ku-ku-yeaaahhhh! |
| 23:33.12 | sysrage | being drunk doesn't make you take more damage, does it? |
| 23:36.16 | Thunder_Child | only in dnd |
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| 23:43.42 | Polarina | Anyone knows about a good DPS and Threat meter (That show both) addon that works flawlessy and, if possible, free of most bugs? |
| 23:44.18 | Polarina | Apperantly I'm generating too much threat and all the bosses attack me instead of the tank. It's the best tank on the realm... |
| 23:44.42 | Shirik | at best, these things can only be a guess |
| 23:44.47 | Shirik | there is no way to make them "flawless" |
| 23:45.01 | Polarina | Shirik: "accurate"? |
| 23:45.08 | Shirik | same difference |
| 23:45.27 | Shirik | It's only extrapolating these values, not retrieving them from some server variable |
| 23:45.35 | Polarina | I know. |
| 23:45.46 | Shirik | The biggest problem is that of the combat log range. This used to be avoidable, but they have since blocked the only means we had to avoid that problem. |
| 23:45.49 | Polarina | At least somewhat accurate.. |
| 23:45.59 | Shirik | I've had no problems with Omen or KTM |
| 23:46.06 | Polarina | Violation? |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | never tried it |
| 23:46.23 | Shirik | but iirc, violation is built on threat-1.0 |
| 23:46.25 | Thunder_Child | you could wait untill blizz comes out with their own threat meter |
| 23:46.33 | Shirik | which implies that it hsould have the same values as omen |
| 23:47.02 | Thunder_Child | uhh...one is a threat meter one is a DPS meter |
| 23:47.12 | Thunder_Child | that is not quite the same |
| 23:47.25 | Shirik | as I said, I don't know much about it :) |
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| 23:48.07 | Thunder_Child | omen takes the basics of threat then alters them accordingly during encounters...special abilitys, etc. |
| 23:50.29 | dreamss | http://digg.com/tech_news/iTunes_Store_Mistakingly_Leaks_Stargate_Atlantis_Episode |
| 23:51.26 | Kaso | "This proves DRM doesnt work... it was a protected file, but it still gets onto torrent sites. Who woulda thunkit?" |
| 23:52.46 | dreamss | hehe its a webrip |
| 23:52.48 | dreamss | burn |
| 23:53.06 | foxlit | Yeah, Kaso, that struck me as silly as well. |
| 23:54.30 | dreamss | only drm that hasent been ripped is the one used by live |
| 23:56.17 | Kirov | live? |
| 23:56.44 | dreamss | xbox live |
| 23:59.02 | Kirov | pc vs. console market, makes sense |
| 23:59.58 | Kirov | getting stuff off a console is just legistically more complex, so it tends to be less of a target. |
