| 00:00.34 | Lunessa | I don't use Rico |
| 00:00.42 | Lunessa | SimpleMiniMap is the shiz-nit |
| 00:00.45 | Corrodias | wait, wait, now it mysteriously works after i deleted some saved variables from rico |
| 00:01.36 | Corrodias | cartographer throws a pair of errors whenever i mouse over a guildmate in the raid on the map, but yeah! everything works. |
| 00:01.52 | Corrodias | no, never mind, it's just throwing them periodically |
| 00:03.21 | Lunessa | ... Ok, I think this G4 PowerBook just might actually run WoW. :D |
| 00:04.05 | Lunessa | If I turn everything that makes the game pretty off. |
| 00:04.47 | Corrodias | there IS that unhidable rock configuration minimap button, but i'll just add a :Hide() to my common scribbling script |
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| 00:06.25 | Corrodias | getglobal("LibRockConfig-1.0_MinimapButton"):Hide() since it wants to do math with the - otherwise |
| 00:08.11 | |Jelly| | omg |
| 00:08.16 | |Jelly| | Shouldn't have updated. |
| 00:08.27 | |Jelly| | Not being able to right click on the unitframes = zomg annoying. |
| 00:08.56 | Corrodias | i haven't used pitbull so i don't know what you mean, but that's okay |
| 00:09.30 | |Jelly| | When you used to right click the unit frames, it would open a drop down menu of configuration. Now, it just opens that Rock bs. |
| 00:09.43 | Shirik | Awesome! |
| 00:09.55 | Shirik | My error handler causes a stack overflow, so then it tries to report that error |
| 00:10.01 | Shirik | and all hell broke loose |
| 00:10.17 | Shirik | somehow it eventually gave up |
| 00:10.18 | Cidan | :D |
| 00:10.22 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure how that happened though |
| 00:11.05 | Shirik | Oh I get it. It prints out the error, has an error so starts the error handler over. So it prints out the error 200 times before finally giving up due to a stack overflow |
| 00:11.05 | Shirik | fun |
| 00:11.20 | Corrodias | hahaha |
| 00:11.30 | Corrodias | yeah, dropdown menus are better than automatic rock configure window opening |
| 00:12.13 | Lunessa | I don't much like the Rock menu either Jelly. |
| 00:12.34 | Cidan | Conspiracy menu > all ;P |
| 00:12.43 | |Jelly| | It's making me want to cut. I'm just glad that my unitframes didn't go screwy like they usually do/did. |
| 00:12.45 | Cidan | Actually, need to add binary options to conspiracy menu's |
| 00:13.11 | Lunessa | There's also some new bar appended to my unit frames - not sure what it represents, and didn't have time to screw with it since I got called in to work. |
| 00:13.26 | |Jelly| | New bar? orly? |
| 00:14.29 | Lunessa | yeah, not sure wtf it is, I just noticed it briefly 'cause the unit frames were thicker. |
| 00:14.32 | GofG | Lunessa: Isn't that a sleeping medicine? |
| 00:15.01 | Lunessa | No, that's LUNESTRA |
| 00:15.31 | Lunessa | Lunessa = my WoW toon, a corruption of Luna and Elune with a feminine ending. |
| 00:15.43 | Lunessa | And I get asked that question like 10,000 times. |
| 00:16.02 | GofG | Kk, sorry :( |
| 00:16.05 | GofG | I forgot that the internets were serious business. |
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| 00:16.21 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: |
| 00:16.22 | |Jelly| | "And for some reason, it turned on the Pitbull threat bars when I had them off and now Omen isn't working. " |
| 00:16.38 | Lunessa | Jelly - AHA! |
| 00:16.50 | |Jelly| | I'm gonna be pissed if Omen is b0rk3. lol |
| 00:16.54 | Lunessa | Omen was working for me. |
| 00:17.30 | GofG | World of Warcraft... I just remembered that that's what this channel was about |
| 00:17.41 | |Jelly| | It is? |
| 00:17.44 | |Jelly| | BLASPHEMY! |
| 00:17.59 | Lunessa | I thought it was about Hello Kitty Island Adventures. |
| 00:18.26 | GofG | Hell Kitty Island Adventures is serious business, Lunessa. |
| 00:18.30 | GofG | Hello* |
| 00:18.33 | GofG | best typo evar, btw. |
| 00:18.40 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 00:19.46 | GofG | Didn't I meet a fellow tard in here the other day? Cidan? |
| 00:19.53 | GofG | Shirik, mebbe? |
| 00:20.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:20.34 | Shirik | Awesome |
| 00:20.36 | Shirik | Lunestra |
| 00:20.41 | Shirik | Lunessa: I'm going to start calling you that now |
| 00:20.45 | GofG | I think it was cidan |
| 00:21.43 | Lunessa | Shirik, there isn't a hole deep enough for you to hide in, not a tinfoil hat strong enough to save you. |
| 00:22.02 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 00:22.10 | Shirik | I'm guessing this isn't the first time someone's called you this? |
| 00:22.33 | |Jelly| | Doesn't it have something to do with people in your guild named like Vicodin or some shit? |
| 00:22.50 | Lunessa | Oh man. I lobbied SO hard to get rid of that guy. |
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| 00:23.36 | Lunessa | He names all his characters after prescription meds 'cause his family is in the pharmaceutical business. |
| 00:23.49 | Wobwork | ... |
| 00:23.53 | Wobwork | Does he have a Viagra? |
| 00:23.57 | |Jelly| | Isn't that against the naming policy? /wink |
| 00:24.04 | Wobwork | Or is it only generics? |
| 00:24.15 | Lunessa | yeah, and blizzard let it go |
| 00:24.17 | Wobwork | PS, any uk'rs here? |
| 00:24.50 | Lunessa | the guy is a nice guy, but the names kill me |
| 00:25.16 | Wobwork | What's the name in question? |
| 00:29.42 | Lunessa | Zyvox, Valtrex, Cymbalta, need I go on? |
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| 00:32.29 | Shirik | lua> local module = 4; print(module) |
| 00:32.30 | cladbot | Shirik: 4 |
| 00:32.35 | Shirik | why does scite say module is a keyword |
| 00:32.37 | Shirik | ~lart scite |
| 00:32.37 | purl | slams scite against a large cement Tux |
| 00:33.03 | cladhaire | Shirik: because it is. |
| 00:33.08 | cladhaire | well |
| 00:33.08 | cladhaire | its not a keywrod |
| 00:33.10 | cladhaire | its an API function |
| 00:33.20 | cladhaire | so it displays it as such |
| 00:33.28 | Shirik | it's highlighting it in blue >.> the same color as "for", "if", etc. |
| 00:33.34 | cladhaire | *shrug* then the api file is wrong imo? |
| 00:33.41 | Shirik | ~lart api file |
| 00:33.41 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives api file a good jolt |
| 00:33.56 | cladhaire | Shirik: okay.. so imagine you place a waypoint with TomTom, and you can specify three distances at which you get callbacked |
| 00:33.59 | Shirik | probably written by the same guy who wrote the info on function() |
| 00:34.08 | cladhaire | OnDistanceFar, OnDistanceNear and OnDistanceArrive |
| 00:34.28 | cladhaire | right now, it only calls your callback when you first cross the boundry |
| 00:34.38 | cladhaire | say you register with 100, 50 and 10 yards |
| 00:34.46 | cladhaire | when you get within 100 yards, the Far fires, 50 the Near, 10 the Arrive. |
| 00:35.03 | cladhaire | does it make sense to call them again when flying away again? |
| 00:35.08 | cladhaire | or away and back again? |
| 00:35.10 | Shirik | fair question |
| 00:35.10 | Wobwork | sure |
| 00:35.16 | Wobwork | If you want to define an area |
| 00:35.23 | Wobwork | like "Mob patrols this area" |
| 00:35.23 | Shirik | I think both behaviors are justified |
| 00:35.26 | Shirik | you decide what you want :) |
| 00:35.31 | cladhaire | what would you guys like? |
| 00:35.46 | Shirik | Calling it again would provide for more functionality that is not possible if you don't |
| 00:35.55 | Shirik | it does, however, require a bit of extra user code, but nothing major |
| 00:35.58 | cladhaire | okay, i just have to keep state then and check. |
| 00:36.05 | cladhaire | we'll see how expensive the OnUpdate is righ tnow. |
| 00:36.20 | Lunessa | Yeah, cladhaire it makes sense. |
| 00:36.34 | Wobwork | bah |
| 00:36.38 | Wobwork | I need a UK IP |
| 00:36.48 | Wobwork | someone give me a uk site I can nab one from |
| 00:41.43 | cladhaire | kent.ac.uk |
| 00:43.10 | Wobwork | ta |
| 00:43.21 | Wobwork | what's the uk government site? |
| 00:43.36 | Wobwork | I was guessing www.gov.uk |
| 00:43.40 | Wobwork | but that didn't work =\ |
| 00:43.48 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 00:43.53 | cladhaire | depends on what you need |
| 00:43.59 | Wobwork | That's generally what it is in Aus... |
| 00:44.19 | Wobwork | Just needed a uk IP to test the payment page on our servers. |
| 00:44.29 | Wobwork | to redirect to a UK payment page if they're from there |
| 00:45.02 | cladhaire | ah |
| 00:48.33 | cladhaire | Shirik: Wobin_: When would you expect to be called, assuming the prior situation, with 100,50,10 |
| 00:48.49 | Wobwork | how do you mean when? |
| 00:48.52 | cladhaire | assuming you fly in, you'll get called as soon as you cross the 100, 50 and 10 barriers (i.e. as soon as you're less than or equal to) |
| 00:48.57 | cladhaire | so flying in is easy |
| 00:49.14 | Shirik | imo, flying out too. Call the function, pass a parameter indicating from where it came |
| 00:49.14 | cladhaire | when you cross from the 50 distance, to the 100 distance, you want to get called again? |
| 00:49.19 | cladhaire | k k |
| 00:49.21 | Wobwork | aye |
| 00:49.24 | cladhaire | much more complex for an OnUpdate |
| 00:49.26 | cladhaire | but lets see :P |
| 00:49.37 | Wobwork | state =) |
| 00:49.45 | cladhaire | thats what i'm dong |
| 00:49.46 | cladhaire | doing |
| 00:49.58 | Wobwork | *nudgenudgewinkwink* |
| 00:50.37 | Shirik | FSM ftw? |
| 00:50.55 | Wobwork | Surprising how often that's true =) |
| 00:51.14 | cladhaire | not really |
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| 01:00.32 | Kaydeethree | oh lmao... they're talking about the halo 3 weapons on futureweapons right now on discovery channel |
| 01:00.51 | Lunessa | ... |
| 01:02.29 | Wobwork | are we patching tonight? |
| 01:02.38 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:02.44 | Wobwork | cool |
| 01:02.54 | Wobwork | more time for stuff to get working =) |
| 01:02.57 | Kaydeethree | we are on the PTR |
| 01:06.42 | Kaydeethree | wtf... private server link @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602255989 |
| 01:07.04 | Olison | nevcairiel: did you get the url for the logon news? |
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| 01:07.17 | Kaydeethree | http://12.129.242.21/alert |
| 01:07.31 | Olison | 404 :/ |
| 01:07.36 | ben | Is this an appropriate channel to ask "how do I make my addon do this" questions? |
| 01:07.42 | Kaydeethree | there's no news atm iirc |
| 01:07.44 | Kaydeethree | ben; go for it |
| 01:07.47 | Kaydeethree | ~asktoask |
| 01:07.47 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:08.06 | ben | Okay. I want to create a frame that looks just like one of my bartender3 action buttons. |
| 01:08.36 | Wobwork | oh come on =P "This is IRC" and "..glad to help" can't be said in the same sentence =) |
| 01:08.43 | ben | wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame suggests I call CreateFrame, then f:SetFrameStrata/Width/Height, then create a texture and SetAllPoints it to my frame |
| 01:08.48 | Olison | mm Kaydeethree i see |
| 01:08.53 | ben | but my frames do not appear to show up, what am I missing? |
| 01:09.05 | Wobwork | ben: possibly a Show() |
| 01:09.10 | Olison | Kaydeethree: got one for the EU servers aswell? =) |
| 01:09.24 | Kaydeethree | no. packet sniffers are wonderful things, though |
| 01:09.36 | ben | Wobwork: Do I need to show the texture separately or something? |
| 01:09.36 | Olison | mm yes. ill do that |
| 01:10.12 | ben | Oh, stop. It seems I am not creating my texture correctly! |
| 01:10.44 | ben | How would I go about copying a button's texture? |
| 01:10.49 | cladhaire | yay callback system s working correct. |
| 01:10.54 | Wobwork | it needs to have a texture that has dimensions that are a power of 2 |
| 01:10.54 | cladhaire | correctly |
| 01:11.23 | Wobwork | ben: generally if you copy someone elses texture, it'll be fine |
| 01:12.20 | Olison | Kaydeethree: got it: http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert |
| 01:12.38 | ben | Wobwork: Apparently the button I want to copy is called BT3Button3. I tried calling :GetNormalTexture() on it but that texture appears to be empty. |
| 01:13.14 | ben | Actually I should be able to use GetActionTexture. |
| 01:15.43 | GofG | Anyone wanna do my homework? :) |
| 01:15.56 | ben | Is it computer science homework? |
| 01:16.03 | GofG | no :( |
| 01:16.05 | GofG | honors bio |
| 01:16.40 | GofG | 72 questions, I have 30 done, due tomorrow, questions are paragraph-answer discussion questions :( |
| 01:18.17 | Lunessa | No thanks. I gave up doing homework a very long time ago. |
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| 01:18.38 | Wobwork | ditto |
| 01:18.56 | GofG | Really? |
| 01:19.16 | GofG | I didn't know that was an option |
| 01:19.18 | GofG | Screw this |
| 01:19.31 | Corrodias | our gruul raid is severely undergeared |
| 01:19.36 | Lunessa | Well, once you get your degree, you're pretty much done with homework. |
| 01:19.39 | Corrodias | most of us are pushing out less than 500 dps |
| 01:19.51 | GofG | AUGH, why didn't you say that sooner, Lunessa :/ |
| 01:20.17 | Wobwork | we downed gruul last night =) |
| 01:20.22 | Wobwork | I love doing it as a rogue |
| 01:20.23 | Corrodias | i wish we could |
| 01:20.31 | Corrodias | i think we have nowhere near enough dps, though |
| 01:20.32 | Wobwork | I took zero shatter damage =) |
| 01:20.40 | Corrodias | we're heading toward a 16-17 growth kill, which is far too late |
| 01:20.44 | Wobwork | yeah =( |
| 01:20.50 | GofG | Lunestra. |
| 01:20.52 | Corrodias | we have trouble surviving after 12 |
| 01:21.37 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 01:21.55 | |Jelly| | Well, I guess that's about right. We [used to] kill him about 12. |
| 01:21.56 | Lunessa | http://ambernight.org/ --- |
| 01:21.58 | Wobwork | hm, does impsprint remove the grasp debuff? |
| 01:22.30 | Kaydeethree | if it does, it'll be for the half-second until the next application of it |
| 01:22.47 | Wobwork | oh I thought it was a single application |
| 01:22.57 | Wobwork | CloS is infinitely more applicable |
| 01:23.01 | Kaydeethree | it stacks once a second, -20% runspeed each time |
| 01:23.08 | Kaydeethree | it's not magic, so clos doesn't work either |
| 01:23.12 | Wobwork | er? |
| 01:23.14 | Cide | clos works |
| 01:23.14 | Wobwork | yes it does |
| 01:23.17 | Cide | on non-magic debuffs |
| 01:23.23 | Kaydeethree | hu? |
| 01:23.24 | Wobwork | I was CloSing out of every single shatter |
| 01:23.25 | Cide | including gruul's grasp |
| 01:23.30 | Legorol | clos does work |
| 01:23.36 | Wobwork | it's what kept me alive =) |
| 01:23.44 | Legorol | Corrodias: our raid dps is too low, so we kill him at 16-17 growth |
| 01:23.52 | Cide | "Instantly removes all existing harmful spell effects" |
| 01:23.53 | Wobwork | Legorol: that's a looong time |
| 01:23.54 | Legorol | our tanks and healers happen to be lot better geared up than our dps |
| 01:24.04 | Wobwork | I'd hate to be your healers =P |
| 01:24.08 | Lunessa | That's an unusual state |
| 01:24.15 | Legorol | why hate that? |
| 01:24.26 | Legorol | we stick 7 healers on the tanks and they are happy |
| 01:24.34 | |Jelly| | Cause I bet his head is through the roof, he's grown so much. |
| 01:24.41 | Wobwork | Take so long for the fight, plus worrying about bad shatters |
| 01:24.45 | Legorol | just have to avoid shatters.. which is the tough part we screw up on :) |
| 01:24.49 | Kaydeethree | hah... using halo 1 background music for a halo 3 add |
| 01:25.01 | Wobwork | Kaydeethree: you are truly a geek to recognise that |
| 01:25.15 | Legorol | the thing that kills us is not the 16th growth, but the shatter |
| 01:25.26 | Wobwork | There are always bad shatters =( |
| 01:25.26 | Kaydeethree | music's been a major part of my life for as long as I remember |
| 01:25.51 | Legorol | reason why tanks and healers are well geared compared to dps is simple: we have too few tanks and healers in the guild |
| 01:25.52 | Wobwork | we're getting better at not dying, but there are always times when he tosses us on top of one another |
| 01:25.58 | Legorol | so they want to/get to come to every karazhan raid |
| 01:26.06 | Legorol | whereas there is a lot of competition for dps spots |
| 01:26.14 | Wobwork | heh |
| 01:26.15 | Legorol | so the loot is spread out more among them |
| 01:26.19 | Wobwork | we have two rogues in our guild |
| 01:26.20 | Legorol | if you think about it, it makes sense |
| 01:26.28 | Legorol | dps more popular -> they get less loot |
| 01:26.40 | Wobwork | our gruul raid had... 7 hunters |
| 01:26.46 | Wobwork | two rogues |
| 01:26.46 | Legorol | then again we are a very large, casual guild where Karazhan raiding happens like this: |
| 01:26.52 | Legorol | you sign up whenever you feel like going |
| 01:26.52 | Wobwork | 3 spriests |
| 01:26.57 | Legorol | this gives very random raid groups each time |
| 01:26.58 | Wobwork | zero feral druids |
| 01:28.49 | Nom- | no extended downtime notices yet ? |
| 01:28.50 | Nom- | Anyone? |
| 01:28.54 | Cide | no patch |
| 01:28.59 | Cide | no idea about downtime |
| 01:29.24 | Kaydeethree | us: rolling restarts excluding the 15-20ish realms listed in general that are getting voip-activated first on the 25th |
| 01:29.43 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 01:29.45 | Nom- | wtb patch |
| 01:30.04 | Nom- | oh so patch next week ? |
| 01:30.22 | Nom- | and yet another week of rolling restarts? |
| 01:30.25 | Nom- | this is good news indeed |
| 01:30.38 | Cidan | patch is not tomorrow |
| 01:30.38 | Legorol | We have 52 Karazhan attuned Mains in our guild, and umpteen more alts. We have days when we can't get 10 people into Karazhan. We haven't had an organised Gruul's Lair that had over signups. |
| 01:30.55 | Nom- | Cidan: I just said "next week" |
| 01:35.42 | Cidan | mm |
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| 01:36.17 | GofG | Cide ≠Cidan? |
| 01:36.24 | Cide | right |
| 01:36.56 | GofG | My IRC client assigns colors to people based on their whois information |
| 01:37.01 | GofG | and you two's colors are identical |
| 01:37.12 | GofG | :( |
| 01:37.20 | Cidan | :D |
| 01:37.30 | GofG | It's supposed to be "random" |
| 01:37.41 | GofG | so that I can tell people apart without actually having to read their names |
| 01:38.11 | GofG | but it sucks because you two have literally the same color of orange |
| 01:38.22 | Cidan | that rocks |
| 01:38.22 | Cide | what can I say, except 'owned!'? |
| 01:38.41 | Cide | oh, I can say.. where the hell is team fortress 2? |
| 01:39.00 | Cidan | oh man |
| 01:39.04 | Cidan | was the beta not released? |
| 01:39.11 | GofG | Cidan: Cide: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5518/picture2la4.png |
| 01:39.11 | Cide | I've been waiting for it all day |
| 01:39.13 | Cidan | Whew, Valve is going to catch hell for that one. |
| 01:39.13 | Cide | not out yet |
| 01:39.29 | Cidan | I refuse to pre-buy the game until I hear what other people say about TF2 |
| 01:39.30 | GofG | = same color |
| 01:40.19 | Shirik | Sanity check: .* is match 0 or more of any charcter, most possible, right? |
| 01:42.15 | Legorol | yes you are sane |
| 01:42.21 | Legorol | as for the rest of the question: you are correct |
| 01:46.58 | Shirik | thanks |
| 01:48.50 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping |
| 01:49.02 | cladhaire | pong |
| 01:49.31 | Shirik | hey I was looking at GCTweak's code and I was curious |
| 01:49.34 | cladhaire | k |
| 01:49.40 | Shirik | what's the purpose of this: self:UnregisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED") |
| 01:49.53 | cladhaire | just so the handler doesn't fire for every single addon that gets loaded |
| 01:49.56 | cladhaire | just being polite |
| 01:49.57 | Shirik | ah |
| 01:49.59 | Shirik | ok |
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| 01:50.38 | cladhaire | if you know you're doe |
| 01:50.40 | cladhaire | you should unregister. |
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| 01:51.35 | herzogthc | blah |
| 01:51.46 | Shirik | makes sense |
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| 01:52.06 | herzogthc | wasup shirk |
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| 01:52.10 | herzogthc | err |
| 01:52.11 | herzogthc | shirik |
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| 01:52.23 | Shirik | hi |
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| 01:54.23 | Thrae|ppc | 30 more minutes... |
| 01:55.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:57.17 | Thrae|ppc | Shirik: waiting at job site to start work |
| 01:57.22 | Shirik | ah |
| 01:57.24 | Shirik | wait ppc? |
| 01:57.33 | Shirik | I think my grandparents use that company :P |
| 01:57.37 | Shirik | or is that ppl |
| 01:57.38 | Shirik | I forget |
| 01:57.41 | Shirik | what's ppc? |
| 01:57.45 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:57.46 | sysrage | powerpc |
| 01:57.51 | Thrae|ppc | Pocket PC |
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| 01:58.02 | Shirik | I was thinking of an electric company |
| 01:58.02 | Shirik | nm |
| 01:58.14 | sysrage | pge? |
| 01:58.16 | Cidan | what's the power company in FL now? |
| 01:58.18 | Cidan | is it still FPL? |
| 01:58.49 | Cidan | Yep, sure is |
| 01:58.52 | Cidan | same logo too |
| 01:58.53 | Thrae|ppc | I did a ssh to my home server from my phone / ppc |
| 01:58.53 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:59.05 | Thrae|ppc | started up irssi |
| 02:00.21 | Kirov | I remember my first month in florida ... $150 electricity bill and I didn't even have a my computer or a tv for the first half of the month |
| 02:00.25 | Wraanger | question : what SetDesaturation function do ? |
| 02:00.35 | Shirik | Sets the Desaturation |
| 02:00.53 | Kirov | Wraanger - Either makes the texture grey, or dims it, depending on the graphics card you have |
| 02:01.14 | Wraanger | kirov : thanks ..that this is not what I am trying to find ( |
| 02:01.17 | Shirik | s/grey/more grey/ |
| 02:01.31 | Kirov | Wraanger - what are you trying to find? |
| 02:01.50 | Wraanger | how to alter / hide checked texture on petbar's buttons |
| 02:02.04 | Wraanger | cause default one is ugly and too big |
| 02:02.40 | Kirov | By checked button do you mean the swirl, the glow, or the 4 corners? |
| 02:03.28 | Wraanger | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f5e5f0bc627f18c66b0bbfd0350571bc.jpg << I have hidden 4 corners, altered the swirl one .... |
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| 02:04.14 | Wraanger | see the big glow on 2nd and last buttons ? |
| 02:04.22 | Wraanger | this is cjecked texture |
| 02:04.42 | Kirov | HighlightTexture |
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| 02:04.52 | Wraanger | ahh ..that's how it is called |
| 02:04.53 | Kirov | er, no |
| 02:04.57 | Kirov | CheckedTexture |
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| 02:05.36 | Kirov | CheckButton:GetCheckedTexture |
| 02:06.17 | Wraanger | tried _G["PetActionButton"..i.."CheckedTexture"]:SetTexCoord(0,0,0,0) ....but it's not working (( |
| 02:06.48 | Kirov | is that bartender? |
| 02:07.50 | Wraanger | nah ..my own one |
| 02:09.06 | Kirov | The texture does not have a name, you have to query it via the GetCheckedTexture() method |
| 02:09.36 | Kirov | ie: _G["PetActionButton"..i]:GetCheckedTexture():SetTexCoord(0,0,0,0) |
| 02:11.04 | Kirov | Same with the HighlightTexture |
| 02:11.19 | Wraanger | yay ..thanks ..it worked ..now I only need to find a clever way to indicate that button is checked ;)) |
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| 02:14.18 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. they're undoing the defense+daze nerf |
| 02:14.33 | Wobwork | so +defense == -chance to daze again? |
| 02:14.41 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 02:15.30 | JoshBorke | Z'( |
| 02:15.32 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 02:15.56 | Shirik | I agree with it |
| 02:16.10 | Shirik | I mean, dazed is annoying, but it's even more annoying when your tank gets dazed in the middle of a boss fight |
| 02:16.24 | JoshBorke | how do they get dazed in a boss fight? |
| 02:16.36 | JoshBorke | don't they have to be hit from behind? |
| 02:16.46 | Shirik | not every fight is a tank n' spank |
| 02:16.57 | Thrae|ppc | never turn your back to the enemy! |
| 02:17.08 | Kaydeethree | aoe pulls, running to peel a mob off a healer, etc... |
| 02:17.47 | Wraanger | kirov : http://images.gammatester.com/pics/fb0e89463843fc363fdee11cb64ef1be.jpg << what you think about pet bar now ? |
| 02:18.13 | Shirik | ooh |
| 02:18.15 | Shirik | that's actually nice |
| 02:18.40 | Kirov | Wraanger - aye |
| 02:19.07 | Tuller | speaking of which, mikma I want the crazy blur code to mess around with |
| 02:19.35 | Kirov | crazy blur code? |
| 02:19.41 | JoshBorke | man i love the fall! |
| 02:19.53 | mikma | Tuller: it's just bela's modded texture as edge |
| 02:20.08 | Tuller | mikma: gimmie |
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| 02:20.21 | mikma | Tuller: http://wow.reaktio.net/edgeFile2.tga |
| 02:20.54 | mikma | Tuller: it's not exactly same as the bela's one, bela had a strong border going around, i removed that one and kept the glow |
| 02:20.57 | Tuller | you're also telling me I'm going to have to setbackdrop buttons aren't i? |
| 02:21.16 | Tuller | or did you manage to use it as a normaltexture? |
| 02:21.25 | mikma | well i did do a texture for that one too |
| 02:21.44 | mikma | sec i'll upload the latest .tga i used |
| 02:22.32 | Wraanger | Tuller : you finally decided to do some skinning for the Bongos ? oO |
| 02:23.04 | Tuller | what I kindof want to do is combine the bags and keybar into squares and give everything a slim look |
| 02:23.12 | mikma | Tuller: http://wow.reaktio.net/mikma1.tga i thing i used SetPoint with that one |
| 02:23.55 | Kirov | mikma - do you have a screenshot of what you're using those for? |
| 02:24.20 | mikma | Kirov: http://wow.reaktio.net/test.png |
| 02:24.26 | Tuller | its somewhat of a round shaodowed button |
| 02:24.43 | mikma | Kirov: bottomline is mikma1.tga, two bars at top are edgeFile2.tga |
| 02:25.08 | Kirov | hmm. |
| 02:25.20 | mikma | but, that texture really REALLY needs SetVertexColor(0,0,0,1) to work _NICELY_ |
| 02:25.22 | JoshBorke | that's nifty |
| 02:25.28 | JoshBorke | ~lart Kirov |
| 02:25.28 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Kirov into court suing for $200 million |
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| 02:25.43 | Kirov | You should adjust the fall off so there isn't that hard edge |
| 02:25.47 | mikma | other than that, the glow will be weak. but with 0,0,0,1 it will be strong, black glow |
| 02:26.37 | Tuller | oh right, the PTR isn't up :P |
| 02:27.15 | Kirov | mikma - what kind of unfortunate video card do you have? |
| 02:27.23 | mikma | Kirov: iBook 12" |
| 02:27.31 | Kirov | ow |
| 02:27.32 | mikma | i use that to code :P |
| 02:27.51 | mikma | pc is 1,8GHz amd |
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| 02:28.36 | Kirov | Hmm, I just thought of an awesome UI theme |
| 02:28.37 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 02:28.41 | Kirov | "Back to School" |
| 02:28.55 | Wobwork | Kirov: It can't beat HKAI |
| 02:29.00 | Kirov | Wobwork - true |
| 02:29.04 | Iriel | evening |
| 02:29.12 | mikma | nothing beats HKAI |
| 02:29.13 | |Jelly| | Hai |
| 02:29.45 | mikma | Tuller: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_091007_215052.jpg <- see the edgefile in action :D |
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| 02:30.38 | Kirov | purple box ... OF DOOM |
| 02:30.44 | mikma | Tuller: SetBackdrop({edgeFile = "Interface\\AddOns\\Signum\\edgeFile", bgFile = "Interface\\ChatFrame\\ChatFrameBackground", edgeSize = 50, insets = {left = 15, right = 15, top = 15, bottom = 15}}) |
| 02:30.59 | mikma | Tuller: i use those insets with the edgeFile |
| 02:31.03 | Tuller | Tuller:SetBackdrop? :) |
| 02:31.27 | mikma | sure! |
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| 02:31.40 | mikma | Kirov: figured out what the box is? :) |
| 02:31.41 | Tuller | I want to avoid using an edgefile because I'm lazy :P |
| 02:32.32 | mikma | Tuller: then you need the mikma1.tga. if you got gimp i can give you the .xcf files |
| 02:32.40 | Tuller | I already have it |
| 02:33.22 | mikma | but the glow is black in the .tga |
| 02:33.36 | mikma | if you need to mod it to take other color you prolly need the .xcf and mod it :O |
| 02:40.39 | Kirov | mikma - some strange pastel homage to windows 3.11? |
| 02:40.39 | Kirov | http://wow.reaktio.net/Signum.png |
| 02:41.15 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:41.47 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion onehitpwnsu |
| 02:41.47 | mikma | Kirov: almost |
| 02:41.50 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Onehitpwnsu, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (33/28/0). 10578 HP; 7965 Armour; 1418 AP; 221.400 Melee DPS; 30.03% melee crit; 24 melee hit; 4.82% dodge; 5.00% block; 147 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1205 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2x7cub ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39lv4q ][ Updated: Mon Sep 17 22:55:15 2007 EST ]] |
| 02:42.04 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.19 | Kirov | mikma - it's a really amazingly gaudy debuff warning |
| 02:43.08 | mikma | Kirov: bingo |
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| 02:44.54 | Shirik | Iriel? |
| 02:45.04 | Iriel | Shirik? |
| 02:45.07 | Shirik | Iriel: I have a question for you about devtools when you get a chance |
| 02:45.32 | Iriel | How do I keep them crunch even out of the box? |
| 02:45.38 | Iriel | crunchY even |
| 02:45.41 | Iriel | Anyway, fire away |
| 02:45.42 | Shirik | negative, that will always remain a mystery |
| 02:45.52 | Shirik | however, a more answerable question |
| 02:46.12 | Tuller | mikma: http://i10.tinypic.com/4t7mg7l.jpg |
| 02:46.16 | Shirik | Do you mind if I steal half of your ItemRefTooltip hook (mutilate it, etc.) for another addon? (Will give credit, of course) |
| 02:46.34 | JoshBorke | Tuller: purty |
| 02:46.40 | Iriel | not at all, borrow or steal away |
| 02:46.46 | mikma | Tuller: seems to fit nicely, tried the SetVertexColor(0,0,0,1) |
| 02:46.48 | Tuller | I think its too blury in some case |
| 02:47.02 | Lunessa | He keeps them crunchy in milk by using shellac. I've seen it. |
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| 02:47.06 | Shirik | awesome thanks :) |
| 02:47.11 | Tuller | english explode! |
| 02:47.29 | mikma | Tuller: it's almost identical to bela's edge |
| 02:47.52 | mikma | but, i can make it less blurry when i wake up or something |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | Is there a reason for the huggage? >< |
| 02:48.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:48.32 | Shirik | I don't believe in stealing code :) |
| 02:48.47 | Shirik | open source movement or not it's still not mine |
| 02:49.10 | Cairenn | me neither, but a lot of people don't agree, so I am always happy when I see someone show the consideration |
| 02:49.35 | Cairenn | (not pointing at people in channel, just a generalized statement on the world at large) |
| 02:50.16 | mikma | what's happening |
| 02:50.17 | Shirik | sadly it's true |
| 02:51.52 | Tuller | now I wonder what the code in question is |
| 02:52.07 | mikma | yeah |
| 02:52.13 | mikma | is cairenn coding something |
| 02:52.16 | JoshBorke | Tuller: it's code to crash wow |
| 02:52.19 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 02:52.21 | Shirik | Cairenn coding |
| 02:52.30 | Cairenn | perish the thought |
| 02:52.34 | Kirov | JoshBorke - It's BananaBars2? |
| 02:52.41 | Tuller | bartender5 |
| 02:53.06 | Tuller | Fibonacci edition |
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| 02:53.26 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: if it was code to crash wow, he'd be asking Tem (although Iriel is undoubtedly capable of coming up with it to, but it's kinda Tem's specialty) |
| 02:53.36 | Cairenn | too* |
| 02:53.45 | JoshBorke | lol, true |
| 02:54.27 | Tuller | that does bring up something... |
| 02:54.46 | cogwheel | when did they change the website? |
| 02:54.54 | Cairenn | cogwheel: ? |
| 02:55.06 | |Jelly| | The forum navigation? |
| 02:55.11 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: yeah |
| 02:55.22 | |Jelly| | I wanna say less than an hour ago. |
| 02:55.24 | Cairenn | ah, I see now |
| 02:55.26 | |Jelly| | Or about an hour ago. |
| 02:55.37 | |Jelly| | That arrow is there taunting me. |
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| 02:55.45 | cogwheel | i can't find an announcement about it anywhere |
| 02:55.49 | Tuller | so, we can query the server for items in 2.2 without being disconnected, right? |
| 02:55.59 | Tuller | at least we can on the PTR |
| 02:56.08 | Iriel | Somewhat |
| 02:56.26 | Iriel | Though you should probably work on the assumption they're logging your attempts |
| 02:56.26 | Kirov | I can query all of the enchantids now with out disconnecting, finally |
| 02:57.43 | Tuller | I'm wondering how much of a strain that'll put on the server :P |
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| 02:59.26 | Tuller | ex, I'm wondering if I should implement a feature in ludwig to auto populate the database by querying items that the player has not seen over time. Most likely I wont do it |
| 03:01.12 | Kirov | Tuller - I do that in my addon |
| 03:01.46 | Tuller | so do I in the PTR version, but its still around 35k things |
| 03:02.26 | Iriel | i suspect it all depends how fast you do the scan |
| 03:02.37 | Iriel | whether they'll care, that is |
| 03:02.40 | Tuller | yeah I've throttled it :) |
| 03:03.19 | JoshBorke | throttling is for the weak |
| 03:03.33 | JoshBorke | it's pretty nifty to see kirov's mod in action, but it is soooo slow :-/ |
| 03:03.43 | Kirov | heh |
| 03:03.53 | Lunessa | Free PowerBook Titanium is love. |
| 03:04.10 | JoshBorke | free love is love |
| 03:04.17 | JoshBorke | love is all you need |
| 03:04.18 | Lunessa | No, that's just sex. |
| 03:04.19 | JoshBorke | love is all you need |
| 03:04.23 | Kirov | JoshBorke - The idea is that you go play for 5 hours and it finishes scanning |
| 03:04.40 | JoshBorke | Kirov: yea, but it's slow to give me back my search results too :-P |
| 03:05.07 | Tuller | haha |
| 03:05.51 | Kirov | Yes, it's about 3 times slower than other similar addons, but you can do a search on 50k items with out you game freezing for 2 seconds |
| 03:06.11 | Kirov | That has to count for something. ;) |
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| 03:06.28 | JoshBorke | kirov: psh, time vs memory. i've got all the memory in the world, what i lack is time ;-P |
| 03:06.57 | Tuller | now i wanna know where kirov's addon is at :) |
| 03:07.23 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/ItemCatalog.zip |
| 03:07.30 | Kirov | Not sure how old that version is |
| 03:07.35 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.43 | JoshBorke | kirov: update it and release it :-P |
| 03:08.13 | Kirov | I'm actually working on it now |
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| 03:10.39 | |Jelly| | Cogwheel: GRR! I keep clicking on that arrow and it's driving me crazy! lol |
| 03:10.41 | Tuller | well, I can tell you it disconnects me from the server :) |
| 03:10.48 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 03:11.21 | JoshBorke | Tuller: pwned! |
| 03:13.19 | Kirov | Tuller - yes |
| 03:13.24 | Kirov | Tuller - hence it not being release yet |
| 03:13.33 | Kirov | Tuller - It'll disconnect you once, then work |
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| 03:14.16 | Tuller | cute loading screen |
| 03:16.51 | Kirov | Tuller - A couple of things this addon does at the moment that other addons do not. Scan in the background for new items (even ones you never actually saw, ie: Horde) |
| 03:17.15 | Kirov | And adds any new items to the current view with out having to refresh |
| 03:17.28 | Tuller | I have 20k items on ludwig, but it does have to refresh |
| 03:18.11 | Kirov | Also, in the top right corner, if the icon spins you can mouse over to see what items it's found |
| 03:19.02 | Kirov | You can also type in the quick search and it'll do a real time search as you're typing for the next valid item |
| 03:19.24 | Kirov | It can also change the sort direction instantly |
| 03:20.05 | Kirov | What it can't do ... is actually parse tooltips or understand post 2.0 random bonus items |
| 03:20.15 | Kirov | Both of which are on my "todo" list. |
| 03:20.15 | Kirov | heh |
| 03:20.24 | Tuller | quite fast |
| 03:20.40 | Kirov | It's the only known use of coroutines to do something useful |
| 03:20.45 | Kirov | ;) |
| 03:21.02 | Tuller | yeah I mean to use coroutines :) |
| 03:21.43 | Lunessa | It works and I can run WoW on it. :) |
| 03:21.50 | Kirov | Every so often you'll see the spiral icon in the background going. If there are too many new items to effectively do a quick add it'll refresh the list in the background trasparently |
| 03:21.57 | Kirov | transparently |
| 03:22.37 | Kirov | Oddly, one thing the addon does do right now is save price information |
| 03:22.43 | Kirov | It just can't show it yet. heh |
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| 03:23.21 | Kirov | Obviously most of the UI doesn't work yet either |
| 03:24.01 | Kirov | The little arrows on the right side will expand options and advanced search |
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| 03:27.59 | Tuller | I wonder if you could stick it in the ludwig frame :) |
| 03:28.16 | Kirov | stick what? |
| 03:28.57 | Kirov | You want the ludwig style search? |
| 03:28.58 | Tuller | the addon :) |
| 03:29.04 | Kirov | oh, heh |
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| 03:29.34 | Kirov | First I need to make it work with the new random bonus items |
| 03:31.33 | Kirov | I probably want to rewrite the addon using the new gametooltip methods too |
| 03:32.03 | Kirov | I can just have a handful of gametooltips sitting in the background waiting for new data. |
| 03:32.57 | Kaydeethree | anyone remember if wine 0.9.45 fixed the crash-on-exit bug? |
| 03:38.01 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: nope |
| 03:38.19 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: as in 'yes, i remember, and no it doesn't. the patch didn't make the cut, we're seeking info atm on why' |
| 03:38.27 | Tierrie | my boss at work is a complete idiot |
| 03:38.37 | Kaydeethree | bleh |
| 03:38.55 | cogwheel | as opposed to your boss at home? |
| 03:39.17 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: please vote/sign/bump etc. http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9479 ;) |
| 03:39.19 | Tierrie | i'm single |
| 03:39.21 | Tierrie | imagine that |
| 03:39.25 | Tierrie | i don't get it either |
| 03:46.11 | Thunder_Child | why do i keep watching torchwood...it's so bad |
| 03:46.36 | Quator1a | i think it's a fun show. |
| 03:48.04 | Thunder_Child | meh, they should have never taken the cop |
| 03:48.25 | Thunder_Child | her personality does not fit with a black-ops style system |
| 03:49.15 | Cidan | does anyone have any idea why the following doesn't work? |
| 03:49.17 | Cidan | UIFrameFlash(self:GetChild("flash"), 1, 1, cur, true, 0, 0); |
| 03:49.26 | Cidan | GetChild("flash") does return a frame. |
| 03:49.45 | Cidan | cur is a number |
| 03:49.46 | Cidan | oh, hmm |
| 03:50.50 | Cidan | nope, it flashes once |
| 03:50.53 | Cidan | rather it just fades in once |
| 03:50.55 | Cidan | then dies |
| 03:51.01 | Cidan | gives me an error |
| 03:51.13 | Kirov | Well, I think we found the problem right there. |
| 03:51.24 | Cidan | ...? |
| 03:51.26 | Kirov | It should be giving two errors! |
| 03:51.28 | Kirov | ;) |
| 03:51.40 | Tierrie | hay folks |
| 03:51.43 | Cidan | nterface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:1756: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value) |
| 03:52.14 | Cairenn | hi Tierrie |
| 03:52.27 | Tierrie | rawr sexy momma |
| 03:52.41 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 03:52.58 | Kirov | Cidan - UIFrameFlash requires that the frame that is flashing has a name |
| 03:53.02 | Corrodias | you and your frame |
| 03:53.06 | Cidan | ahhh |
| 03:53.14 | Cidan | I *hate* code that does that |
| 03:53.21 | Cidan | forget it then, I'll write my own flash code |
| 03:53.33 | Corrodias | is that easier than giving it a name? |
| 03:53.57 | Cidan | it's not about what is "easier" |
| 03:54.00 | Cidan | but what is proper |
| 03:54.06 | Cidan | forcing me to name all my frames, is not. |
| 03:54.38 | Kirov | especially since that particular bit of code could just as easily just used the frame object |
| 03:54.44 | Corrodias | true |
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| 04:03.28 | dmadd | is there a wait, or timeout or sleep function for LUA ? |
| 04:03.51 | cogwheel | no |
| 04:04.07 | cogwheel | lua is blocking anyway so you wouldn't want to do that |
| 04:05.11 | cogwheel | you either need to use an OnUpdate script ( http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly ) or use a library like Chronos, AceEvent (?) or Dongle |
| 04:05.11 | Kirov | while true do |
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| 04:05.11 | Kirov | the ultimate sleep function |
| 04:05.43 | cogwheel | and if you're trying to do anything combat related, give up now :P |
| 04:06.16 | DrMaDd | well... trying to run some code when a frame opens up |
| 04:06.32 | DrMaDd | like, when an armor smith window is opened |
| 04:06.43 | DrMaDd | im unsure how to get it to wait untill it detects a window... |
| 04:07.32 | cogwheel | ah you're going about it all wrong |
| 04:07.37 | DrMaDd | doh |
| 04:07.39 | cogwheel | s/going/thinking/ |
| 04:07.46 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 04:07.52 | DrMaDd | thank you! let me read |
| 04:07.55 | cogwheel | in bg right now... can't go into too much detail :P |
| 04:10.31 | Corrodias | okay, the new fubar version keeps messing with my minimap position. i'm going to have to add a "you can't move this any more" bit to my startup script. sigh. |
| 04:10.42 | Corrodias | DRAMATIC sigh |
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| 04:19.42 | Iriel | night |
| 04:21.52 | Corrodias | there. i've set up 3 manual positions for WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame, MinimapCluster, and TemporaryEnchantFrame and set their .SetPoints to an empty function. |
| 04:24.23 | MentalPower | Corrodias: you know, you could file a bug report with ckknight about that |
| 04:25.05 | ckknight | Corrodias: that's not a new feature |
| 04:25.09 | ckknight | that's been in for over a year |
| 04:25.17 | ckknight | and there's already a bug report for that |
| 04:25.19 | Corrodias | well, my minimap is another addon. something about their interaction has changed |
| 04:25.25 | ckknight | not sure how to fix it without breaking other things, though |
| 04:25.36 | Corrodias | i don't know which is at fault, if not both, so i'm just going to fix them in place and be happy |
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| 04:29.56 | Tierrie | i go to #linux to ask a valid linux question |
| 04:30.03 | Tierrie | and everyone there is showing off their wangs |
| 04:30.20 | Shirik | what's your valid question? |
| 04:30.30 | Corrodias | my valid question is why linux makes your penis so small |
| 04:30.40 | Shirik | "Why does the creation of threads SUCK in unix" |
| 04:30.45 | Tierrie | i wanted to know if anyone has developed network related devices in linux virtual machines and if so, are there any major problems |
| 04:30.49 | Shirik | s/threads/processes/ |
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| 04:31.22 | Tierrie | also, "why does linux make your penis so small" |
| 04:31.24 | Kirov | Tierrie - "no, linux is perfect, omglolcatz" |
| 04:31.42 | Tem|AFK | I CAN HAS "STDIO" |
| 04:32.00 | Tierrie | U CAN HAS STDERR |
| 04:33.26 | Tierrie | also i want to know what ide people use but everyone will just go vi, emacs, pico dumbass!, no emacs!, emacs, ultraedit, emacs, vi, notepad |
| 04:33.31 | Cidan | it doesn't |
| 04:33.45 | Cidan | <3 non-blocking IO in linux |
| 04:34.03 | Cidan | and procs |
| 04:34.06 | Cidan | whew |
| 04:34.06 | Thunder_Child | dont forget notepad++ |
| 04:34.08 | Cidan | flash code done |
| 04:35.45 | Kirov | TextPad! |
| 04:36.19 | Kirov | I use TextPad, when ever anyone sees me use it I tell them, "It's a text editor called TextPad .. don't use it." |
| 04:36.33 | Antiarc | I've switched away from UltraEdit to Notepad++ |
| 04:38.51 | Tierrie | you know those people that join channels, and then scream "YOU GUYS SUCK" before leaving? i know why they do that now |
| 04:41.05 | Antiarc | Same reason teenagers crank call people? |
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| 04:45.51 | Tierrie | i don't know why peopel bother with "input your email here to download" stuff |
| 04:46.16 | Tierrie | Somewhere, a first name "Mister", last name "Cow" at cow@cow.com is going to get some email about virtual machines |
| 04:46.21 | Tierrie | and its going to go "MOO?" |
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| 04:48.36 | Cidan | oh |
| 04:48.36 | Cidan | shit |
| 04:48.39 | Cidan | I totally forgot |
| 04:48.42 | Cidan | It's my birthday. |
| 04:48.46 | Cidan | woo? |
| 04:49.27 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:49.33 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday |
| 04:49.50 | Tierrie | lol |
| 04:49.51 | Tierrie | how did you forget? |
| 04:49.54 | Tierrie | happy birthday |
| 04:50.22 | Cidan | Thankee Sai |
| 04:50.30 | Cidan | dunno, got lost in code |
| 04:50.51 | Thunder_Child | happy birthday dummy |
| 04:51.05 | Thunder_Child | ~happybirthday Cidan |
| 04:51.10 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 04:51.12 | Cidan | lulz |
| 04:51.16 | Cidan | ~lart purl |
| 04:51.16 | purl | squeezes cidan till cidan turns blue like papa smurf |
| 04:51.20 | Cidan | :( |
| 04:51.22 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha |
| 04:51.26 | Thunder_Child | purl wins |
| 04:51.27 | purl | rumour has it, wins is the Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 04:51.36 | Thunder_Child | damn :( |
| 04:51.39 | Cidan | hahaha |
| 04:51.41 | Cidan | purl rocks |
| 04:51.42 | purl | you bet your perl modules I do! |
| 04:51.51 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 04:52.31 | clad|away | lol happy birthday Cidan |
| 04:52.37 | Cidan | <3 |
| 04:52.43 | Shirik | omg happy birthday |
| 04:53.04 | Cidan | 2(<3) |
| 04:53.07 | Shirik | ~birthday Cidan |
| 04:53.07 | purl | ACTION Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you!, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEEAARR Cidan, Happy Birthday toooo yoooou! |
| 04:53.15 | Cidan | or as Shirik would do it, 2 * <3 |
| 04:53.31 | Shirik | and then my professor would mark me off |
| 04:53.39 | Shirik | and then I'd be like "Dude my major is computer engineering not math" |
| 04:53.43 | Shirik | And he'd be like "too bad this is math course" |
| 04:53.48 | Cidan | hmm |
| 04:53.51 | Shirik | And I'd be like "No, it says CS 320" |
| 04:53.56 | Shirik | and he'd be like "Yeah but it's still math" |
| 04:54.00 | Cidan | is there a language in which you can do n(x)? |
| 04:54.03 | Shirik | (True story) |
| 04:54.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:54.16 | Shirik | The teacher was fired last year btw |
| 04:54.24 | Cidan | wtf |
| 04:54.24 | Shirik | (Not because of me >< ) |
| 04:54.25 | Cidan | why |
| 04:54.31 | Shirik | Because he couldn't teach worth a damn |
| 04:54.39 | Shirik | I liked him and all, but seriously, he had no clue |
| 04:54.43 | Thunder_Child | is there such a thing as an "online single player game"? |
| 04:54.47 | Shirik | One of his students did 80% of the teaching in my class |
| 04:57.05 | Tierrie | TC: yes |
| 04:57.09 | Tierrie | most flash games are online single player |
| 04:57.21 | Tierrie | bejeweled hjar har har |
| 04:57.27 | Thunder_Child | "Online PC games (not casual games online) - single player" |
| 04:57.38 | Thunder_Child | "Online PC games (not casual games online) - multi player" |
| 04:57.44 | Thunder_Child | <-- is confuzed |
| 04:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 04:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | WE GOT A NEW FORUM SELECTION MENU |
| 04:58.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Where all the boards aren't prefixed in "WoW" |
| 04:58.11 | Tierrie | multiplayer would be like, battlefield 1942, mmorpgs |
| 04:58.23 | Tierrie | but the single players would be games that are mostly flash based |
| 04:58.29 | Tierrie | some of it is not casual |
| 04:58.38 | Tierrie | i've seen some hardcore grindy crap |
| 04:58.51 | Thunder_Child | and flash game is defined as casual |
| 04:58.54 | Thunder_Child | any* |
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| 05:09.33 | Kirov | Esamynn - ping |
| 05:09.59 | Esamynn | Kirov: sorry, I didn't get a chance, I just remembered and i'm about to test it right now |
| 05:10.07 | Kirov | cool |
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| 05:13.02 | ben__ | I use GetActionCooldown, but if a button is remapped with the Bartender3 stances thing, it returns the info for the unmapped button. Is there a way around this/ |
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| 05:14.29 | Esamynn | Kirov: no go, I'm gonna debug it |
| 05:15.33 | Kirov | thanks |
| 05:16.57 | Esamynn | ahh, I see, you made a faulty assumption |
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| 05:17.21 | Esamynn | flight form is not always index 6, it's index 5 unless you have a talent based form |
| 05:17.40 | Kirov | doh! |
| 05:18.02 | Kirov | Does changing it to 5 work? |
| 05:18.08 | Kirov | (in this case) |
| 05:18.15 | Esamynn | you dno't need the true arg either |
| 05:20.03 | Esamynn | Kirov: personally, I'd search for the correct index using the icon file name |
| 05:20.17 | Kirov | Esamynn - yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing |
| 05:20.26 | Esamynn | yes, it works if you change it to 5 |
| 05:21.18 | Esamynn | you'd need to research each time the spells changed event fired |
| 05:21.30 | Esamynn | and I forget if you can get the base icon for a form while you' |
| 05:21.35 | Esamynn | you're IN the form |
| 05:21.47 | Esamynn | oh |
| 05:21.50 | Esamynn | here's a bug |
| 05:21.54 | Kirov | do tell |
| 05:22.19 | Esamynn | when I logged off and back on while IN FF, it unequiped the charm when I logged back in |
| 05:22.29 | Esamynn | oh wait |
| 05:22.40 | Esamynn | nm, I had changed teh code back to 6, don't mind me |
| 05:22.45 | Kirov | lol |
| 05:24.01 | Kirov | is GetShapeshiftFormInfo's third return localized? |
| 05:25.12 | Esamynn | you mean 2nd? |
| 05:25.37 | Kirov | er, yes |
| 05:25.42 | Esamynn | yes, it is |
| 05:26.04 | Esamynn | at least, I believe it is |
| 05:26.17 | Esamynn | let me check about the icon |
| 05:27.35 | Esamynn | that wouldn't work, if they didn't have flight form |
| 05:27.48 | Kirov | but how evil is it |
| 05:27.56 | Esamynn | BTW, i'm not positive about FF always being the LAST form |
| 05:27.57 | Kirov | ie: how likely is blizzard to add another form |
| 05:28.25 | Esamynn | I'd need to log onto the test server to find out |
| 05:28.37 | Kirov | Well, there's one last method. |
| 05:28.47 | Esamynn | oh, and I was right, the icon file changes when the form is active |
| 05:28.51 | Kirov | I'm already scanning the buffs, I could just scan for the buff icon |
| 05:29.09 | Esamynn | why are you scanning buffs? |
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| 05:29.17 | Kirov | For mounted |
| 05:29.24 | Esamynn | why not use IsMounted() ? |
| 05:29.30 | Kirov | Because it's delayed |
| 05:29.43 | Esamynn | until AFTER the aura change event fires? |
| 05:29.50 | Esamynn | eww, that sucks |
| 05:30.06 | Kirov | IsMounted() is true when the player is actually on a mount, NOT when the aura changes. |
| 05:30.16 | Kirov | So, that can be between 0.5 - 3 seconds |
| 05:30.43 | Esamynn | I would have expected it to change as soon as the buffs changed |
| 05:30.49 | Kirov | So would I |
| 05:31.00 | Kirov | and I refuse to use onUpdate handlers anywhere in this code. |
| 05:31.06 | Esamynn | :P |
| 05:31.31 | Kirov | I've very purposefully avoided it anywhere I can |
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| 05:32.42 | Esamynn | damnit, PTRs are down for the patch |
| 05:32.58 | Homeslice | Greetings |
| 05:33.00 | Homeslice | I was curious if someone may be able to tell me if I can get rid of the trade barker in enchantrix, or at least remove the button on my trade window |
| 05:34.07 | Kirov | Homeslice - I don't use enchantrix, sorry |
| 05:34.11 | Kaydeethree | hm. no interface changes for the latest PTR build |
| 05:35.44 | Kaydeethree | new PTR patch! latest patch: 7272 (no interface changes). diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints |
| 05:36.31 | Nom- | any changelog? |
| 05:36.32 | Thunder_Child | "traditional ballad of earth" "britney spears toxic" lol @ dr. who |
| 05:36.35 | Nom- | heh of course not |
| 05:36.36 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 05:36.51 | Kaydeethree | the 7261-7272 diff is 0 bytes long. first time that's happened this PTR cycle |
| 05:37.04 | Kirov | GetPlayerBuffTexture(index) == "Interface\\Icons\\Ability_Druid_FlightForm" |
| 05:38.02 | Nom- | prolly coz it was all C changes |
| 05:43.51 | Cairenn | oh for pity's sake: http://www.ketv.com/news/14133442/detail.html |
| 05:44.15 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 05:44.50 | Cairenn | read it - it isn't quite as bad as it initially seems, but still |
| 05:46.05 | Wobwork | ... |
| 05:46.09 | Wobwork | wasn't that a movie? |
| 05:47.31 | Esamynn | ... O_o |
| 05:50.03 | Kirov | I'm not sure ... should I laugh or cry? |
| 05:51.10 | Cairenn | well, it definitely proves the point (s)he's trying to make |
| 05:51.21 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 05:52.19 | Kirov | Yeah, God should be jailed for the this (s)he has done! |
| 05:52.27 | Kirov | Or at least fined. |
| 05:52.32 | Kirov | And given community service |
| 05:52.58 | Kirov | Esamynn - I sent you an updated .lua |
| 05:52.59 | kergoth | what the hell.. http://www.slashfood.com/2007/09/17/popcorn-utensil/ |
| 05:53.01 | Cairenn | I love the fact that most ridiculous cases still get laughed out of court up here |
| 05:53.59 | Thunder_Child | well i do belive that senator has a good sense of humor |
| 05:55.01 | Kirov | kergoth - Seemed lame till I read the part about the built in salt shaker. Hot damn, those are so replacing my tongs for my usual popcorn utensil! |
| 05:55.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:55.52 | Kirov | (Seems like something that applied to be on America's Top Inventor and didn't even make it on) |
| 05:56.05 | Thunder_Child | lol "personally - if I needed to slow my popcorn eatting - I'd just use chopsticks." now i want to try that |
| 05:56.13 | |Jelly|zZz | I wanna sue Jimmy Hoffa. |
| 05:56.18 | Wobwork | I've done that |
| 05:56.21 | Wobwork | used chopsticks |
| 05:56.35 | Thunder_Child | properly or did you end up spearing them? |
| 05:58.03 | Kirov | |Jelly|zZz - for causing the sprained ankles of numberous football players? |
| 05:58.27 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...mini mobo with built in wifi....wireless lan boxes ftw http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/motherboards/via-epia-sn-delivers-unparalleled-speed-in-tiny-frame-300806.php |
| 05:58.32 | Esamynn | Cairenn: I believe another difference is that in Canada, our lawsuits impose reparation payments, not punative damages |
| 05:58.41 | Kirov | eating popcorn with chopsticks doesn't sound that hard actually |
| 05:58.43 | Shirik | So I’m a bit confused |
| 05:58.49 | Shirik | what do they expect God to do if he loses? |
| 05:59.01 | Thunder_Child | cease and desist |
| 05:59.06 | Kirov | smite |
| 05:59.07 | |Jelly|zZz | I expect that bitch to pay what he owes! (Don't ask cause I don't know...) |
| 05:59.09 | Shirik | I’m just at a loss on how they will go about enforcing this |
| 05:59.21 | Thunder_Child | banstick |
| 05:59.24 | Shirik | The way I’d inforce it? |
| 05:59.26 | Shirik | Send him to prison |
| 05:59.36 | Shirik | The argument being that since he is omnipresent, we can be guaranteed he’s in jail |
| 05:59.38 | Shirik | No? |
| 05:59.44 | |Jelly|zZz | lol |
| 05:59.58 | Cairenn | Shirik: the entire point of it is because he's trying to show the ridiculousness of a lot of the cases brought before the courts |
| 06:00.11 | Shirik | Hey, I’m gonna have fun with it too :P |
| 06:01.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:01.13 | Nom- | blues who are posting about classes they don't know are funny |
| 06:01.44 | Esamynn | Nom-: link? |
| 06:01.49 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 06:01.53 | Kaydeethree | pallies with purge |
| 06:01.57 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 06:01.59 | Kaydeethree | that more or less sums it up |
| 06:02.07 | Kaydeethree | it's everywhere, both sides of the pond |
| 06:05.24 | Nom- | http://www.blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/771470160.htm |
| 06:05.33 | Nom- | Yeah, that one kaydeethree :) |
| 06:05.38 | Nom- | It's funny :) |
| 06:05.56 | Nom- | And the whole post is true... a shaman who knows what they're doing can effectively reduce a ret pally damage output to nothing |
| 06:06.19 | Nom- | and that would be fine if shaman was the anti-paladin |
| 06:06.23 | Nom- | It's just every class is the anti-paladin |
| 06:06.40 | sag_ich_nicht | BS |
| 06:06.54 | Kirov | Everyone hates Paladins though |
| 06:06.57 | sag_ich_nicht | rogues easy to destroy |
| 06:07.02 | Kirov | so, it makes sense |
| 06:07.05 | Shirik | pallies are easy :P |
| 06:07.09 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll hate in a moment if you don't stfu |
| 06:07.09 | Shirik | mass dispel ftw |
| 06:07.18 | sag_ich_nicht | +you |
| 06:07.19 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 06:07.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 06:07.25 | sag_ich_nicht | you mad fool |
| 06:07.30 | Nom- | lol depends on the spec... |
| 06:07.43 | Nom- | pvp trinket + rogue > holy paladin |
| 06:08.03 | Nom- | protection paladin > rogue |
| 06:08.04 | Nom- | that's about it |
| 06:08.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i have never seen a rogue with equal to mine gear that is capable of beating me :X |
| 06:08.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nah |
| 06:08.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ret paladin > rogue |
| 06:08.18 | sag_ich_nicht | easily |
| 06:08.19 | Nom- | rogue + pvp trinket > ret paladin |
| 06:08.20 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 06:08.23 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 06:08.28 | Nom- | unless they suck |
| 06:08.30 | Thunder_Child | odd...ep3 of the new dr. who has one of the main chars from torchwood |
| 06:08.40 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 06:08.50 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 06:08.57 | sag_ich_nicht | which session of dr. who you watching. |
| 06:09.01 | sag_ich_nicht | *season |
| 06:09.02 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit |
| 06:09.03 | Thunder_Child | 1 |
| 06:09.15 | sag_ich_nicht | why would you watch torchwood before dr. who? |
| 06:09.23 | Thunder_Child | why not |
| 06:09.27 | Nom- | Ok in ret spec, i have about 8k armor (maybe a bit more) and 9k hitpoints, and by the time the rogue stunlock is over, i am either dead (if i don't have bubble) or i'm already burning DS to heal myself |
| 06:09.35 | sag_ich_nicht | because torchwood is a dr. who spinoff from season 2? |
| 06:09.45 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 06:09.46 | sag_ich_nicht | you suck :X |
| 06:09.52 | Thunder_Child | if thats so, it's a bad one |
| 06:09.56 | sag_ich_nicht | divine shield + abacus of violent odds=dead rogue |
| 06:10.15 | sag_ich_nicht | if he survives |
| 06:10.42 | Thunder_Child | "(20:46:21) (Thunder_Child) why do i keep watching torchwood...it's so bad" <-- see i said it already |
| 06:11.51 | sag_ich_nicht | you put him into to stun, fake a heal, abort it the second he trinkets, repentance, noes, you can heal TWICE, if he uses CoS, use BoF, spam consecrate rank 1 and get away from him until his CoS runs out, then finish him off |
| 06:12.25 | sag_ich_nicht | only problem would be if he has shadowstep... but then, who has shadowstep? :X |
| 06:12.44 | Nom- | er |
| 06:12.53 | Nom- | you're assuming you don't have bubble on cooldown |
| 06:13.11 | Nom- | That's my biggest problem right now |
| 06:13.19 | Nom- | You need bubble to kill just about anyone |
| 06:13.32 | Nom- | 1 kill every 5 minutes ftl |
| 06:14.24 | sag_ich_nicht | if i don't have bubble of cooldown i make him waste CoS then run away, then avenging wrath and pray that everything crits. you're a paladin. lern2pray |
| 06:14.24 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 06:14.53 | Nom- | lol and that's where we're really in trouble |
| 06:15.03 | Nom- | Shamans, Priests can just dispell |
| 06:15.32 | Nom- | "Omg you just scored 3 crits and you're coming after me with +15% damage buff, and you just popped AW omg!", *PURGE* |
| 06:15.46 | Nom- | Game Over |
| 06:17.22 | Nom- | http://epicpyro.ytmnd.com/ |
| 06:17.29 | Nom- | That pretty much sums up why Pallies need to be fixed |
| 06:17.36 | Nom- | That's a mage who spell stole pally buffs |
| 06:18.08 | Kaydeethree | spellsteal + ap + aw + trinkets == hot |
| 06:18.34 | Kaydeethree | 'course, the planets were aligned for that kind of crit |
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| 06:21.54 | Kirov | http://www.refactorreality.org/?p=12 - awesome |
| 06:21.57 | Shirik|zZz | Nom-: Valid point. I make it a very high priority to offensively dispel a lot |
| 06:22.05 | Shirik|zZz | And in a lot of cases it can really mean a victory |
| 06:22.08 | Shirik|zZz | especially against druid healers |
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| 06:24.42 | Nom- | well given that they could spellsteal vengeance too |
| 06:24.56 | Nom- | That's a 45% damage buff that a mage could spell steal from a ret paladin in 4 casts |
| 06:25.14 | Nom- | Which is quite easy to do while kiting a paladin back |
| 06:34.48 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:15] <Nom-> Shamans, Priests can just dispell <--now you are talking arena |
| 06:34.49 | sag_ich_nicht | not duell |
| 06:34.49 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 06:35.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: yeah, but afterwards the mage is oom |
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| 06:38.55 | Nom- | lol 4 spell steals + arcane power + pom + pyro, even if it puts them oom is instant death |
| 06:39.34 | Nom- | Assuming they get all the buffs, you're talking 45% damage increase from pally buffs + 30% from mage buff + normal pyro damage |
| 06:39.39 | Nom- | god forbid it actually crits |
| 06:53.00 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i think i have been watching to many tv shows/movies i just tried to pause reading the web page by hitting the space bar... |
| 06:53.42 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSP5woTCA6U |
| 06:53.44 | Nom- | OMG |
| 06:53.45 | Nom- | EPIC |
| 06:56.40 | Thunder_Child | lol Nom-, that is quite funny |
| 06:56.56 | Kirov | very old, but still very funny |
| 06:57.11 | Kirov | that's pre-hammer of justice |
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| 07:07.10 | Nom- | Umm you know what's scary though |
| 07:07.13 | Nom- | It's still true |
| 07:07.16 | Maldivia | hmm... the new "forum selection" dropdown is annoying... |
| 07:07.16 | Nom- | Still VERY true |
| 07:15.21 | Corrodias | i have five chat screenshots of a member of a guild with whom my guild is generally on good terms being quite an ass |
| 07:15.28 | Corrodias | can't wait to bring that up tomorrow |
| 07:17.38 | Maldivia | uhh... drama... |
| 07:18.03 | Corrodias | i'm reasonably sure they don't want one of their members out creating drama in nagrand General |
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| 07:18.35 | Corrodias | there's no point in an accusation without evidence so i was sure to snap some shots |
| 07:19.43 | Kirov | I spent a lot of time getting this addon to nicely pack a lot of information in to a string, but @#%! 2.0 patch random stat items fubar the whole thing |
| 07:19.55 | Corrodias | have the worst of both with tables of bob = {"h", "e", "l", "l", "o"} |
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| 07:46.41 | foxlit|mac | http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php |
| 07:47.19 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:39] <Nom-> god forbid it actually crits <--so? if we talk arena, the mage is still dead. |
| 07:49.04 | foxlit|mac | quick, abuse the php script! |
| 07:53.16 | Kalroth | :D |
| 07:54.06 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 07:54.08 | sag_ich_nicht | fix sprocket. |
| 07:54.28 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:54.45 | Kirov | I started working on that |
| 07:54.53 | Kirov | Then I stopped ... ... |
| 07:55.01 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Kirov |
| 07:55.01 | purl | ACTION runs at Kirov with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 07:55.10 | Kirov | I hate reading Ace2 addons |
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| 07:58.59 | foxlit|mac | I hate reading addons |
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| 08:00.58 | Tierrie | ubuntu seems really cute |
| 08:01.00 | Tierrie | huggable |
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| 08:03.03 | sag_ich_nicht | UBANTO |
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| 08:05.39 | Tierrie | what i'd like to know is where is my terminals! |
| 08:05.48 | Tierrie | i didn't install linux for fancy schmancy ui |
| 08:06.03 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 08:06.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ctrl + alt + F1 |
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| 08:06.26 | sag_ich_nicht | now stop using UBANTO if you wanted linux for the terminal. |
| 08:06.29 | sag_ich_nicht | use debian. |
| 08:06.42 | Tierrie | its on a virtual machine |
| 08:06.47 | Tierrie | no ctrl-alt for me :( |
| 08:07.03 | Tierrie | i want to do some network device development |
| 08:07.07 | Tierrie | see if i can do anything useful |
| 08:07.10 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 08:07.23 | sag_ich_nicht | virtual machine allows ctrl + alt + too |
| 08:07.24 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 08:07.37 | bleeter | eclipse + vmware = win |
| 08:07.44 | Tierrie | in VMWare, ctrl-alt returns control to your original OS |
| 08:07.53 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 08:07.54 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't |
| 08:07.55 | Tierrie | ubuntu stole my mouse! |
| 08:07.58 | sag_ich_nicht | look into your config. |
| 08:08.40 | Tierrie | isn't debian based on freebsd |
| 08:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 08:08.50 | sag_ich_nicht | you're doing it wrong. |
| 08:08.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ~debian |
| 08:08.55 | purl | [debian] the hobby project of bruce perens that flew on the space shuttle |
| 08:09.01 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 08:09.03 | Tierrie | that's useful information |
| 08:09.06 | sag_ich_nicht | ~wiki Debian |
| 08:09.12 | Tierrie | its about a step up from "pew pew debian" |
| 08:09.20 | Tierrie | i can google it :) |
| 08:09.33 | sag_ich_nicht | actuall |
| 08:09.34 | sag_ich_nicht | y |
| 08:09.36 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 08:10.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i hope i have the syntax right |
| 08:10.14 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, facepalm is <action> facepalms |
| 08:10.15 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: okay |
| 08:10.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 08:10.22 | purl | ACTION facepalms |
| 08:16.58 | Tierrie | after 5 years, you'd think they'd add "San Francisco" to the damn time zone shit |
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| 08:47.04 | Maldivia | hmm, there should be a /petcast, or some way to specify that the spell you want to cast, is a pet spell, and not your own |
| 08:47.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that? |
| 08:47.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | there aren't any overlaps anymore, are there? |
| 08:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why they changed water elemental's frost nova to "freeze" |
| 08:48.11 | cryogen | arent there macros coming in for that in 2.2 or 2.3? |
| 08:48.24 | Maldivia | shartuul event for instance, there are Siphon Life and Frost Nova |
| 08:48.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, that's ture |
| 08:48.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | true* |
| 08:48.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should just rename the spells if they don't feel like changing it |
| 08:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | Name it "Freeze" and Health Leech |
| 08:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | or something |
| 08:50.58 | Maldivia | and what about all the other MC'able mobs around the world... a lot of the spells they have clash with player spells |
| 08:51.32 | Maldivia | think it would be a lot easier just to add a /petcast, or /cast pet-Frost Noca or something |
| 08:51.38 | zenzelezz | you have a point; I guess they just assumed people would be using the pet bar when they did |
| 09:02.19 | Srosh | !vs eu forscherliga sohak eu forscherliga abygail |
| 09:02.19 | ThraeBot | Srosh: sohak vs abygail! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? abygail wins by 7488571 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 09:03.40 | Elkano | !vs eu forscherliga abygail eu forscherliga elkano |
| 09:03.42 | ThraeBot | Elkano: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 09:04.07 | Elkano | hmmm... seems like forum twinks don't tend to be listed ;) |
| 09:07.58 | zenzelezz | the armory itself says "Must be level 10" |
| 09:08.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a few level 8ish chars listed |
| 09:08.34 | zenzelezz | they're listed, but they have no character profile |
| 09:08.58 | Elkano | !c eu mannoroth isdirial |
| 09:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Squishface |
| 09:09.01 | ThraeBot | Elkano: Isdirial, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/47/14). 10204 HP; 5780 Mana; 99 mana regen; 15 mp5; 5044 Armour; 604 AP; 113.700 Melee DPS; 10.50% melee crit; 136 defense; 25.50% dodge;[[ TBR: 280 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/289rhv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2th3lm ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 05:22:28 2007 EST ]] |
| 09:09.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 09:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:10.23 | Elkano | this TBR calculation is a bit strange... |
| 09:10.39 | zenzelezz | it can be |
| 09:12.09 | Maldivia | !c eu kor'gall maldkin |
| 09:12.11 | ThraeBot | Maldivia: Maldkin, Level 22 Night Elf Druid (0/13/0). 626 HP; 892 Mana; 68 mana regen; 5.92% melee crit; 8.58% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 90 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yw43mx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nt39s ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 05:25:39 2007 EST ]] |
| 09:12.27 | Maldivia | wee :) |
| 09:16.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | !vs eu kor'gall maldkin us llane raybeez |
| 09:17.01 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Maldkin vs Raybeez! Raybeez has +48 lvls on Maldkin (22 vs 70); Two druids square off!; 0/13/0 vs 1/46/14; Raybeez wins by 472 TBRs! |
| 09:17.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | owned imo >;[ |
| 09:22.12 | Maldivia | you'd probably win over all my chars : |
| 09:23.35 | Maldivia | and how can you win by 472 TBRs... |
| 09:23.35 | Elkano | !c us llane raybeez |
| 09:23.36 | ThraeBot | Elkano: Raybeez, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/46/14). 9914 HP; 5345 Mana; 101 mana regen; 5174 Armour; 102.600 Melee DPS; 9.04% melee crit; 8 melee hit; 158 defense; 18.66% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 495 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ysaqve ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nkh3d ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 05:30:28 2007 EST ]] |
| 09:23.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | tankygear :x |
| 09:24.13 | Maldivia | or is the TBR scaled up with level ? |
| 09:24.14 | Elkano | why is he having almost double the tbr I do? |
| 09:25.10 | zenzelezz | because it's not a perfect system |
| 09:25.12 | zenzelezz | ~tbr |
| 09:25.13 | purl | i heard tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 09:25.22 | zenzelezz | the key word being "tries" |
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| 09:27.18 | Elkano | well, if its PvP based... I'm aimed towards MT |
| 09:28.29 | Tierrie | whats that command to install linux modules? |
| 09:28.59 | zenzelezz | install how? |
| 09:29.22 | Tierrie | i recall there used to be a single line command, sort of like rpm for redhat |
| 09:29.26 | Tierrie | uh i am using ubuntu |
| 09:29.49 | zenzelezz | what sort of modules are you talking about? Kernel modules? |
| 09:30.00 | Tierrie | ftp |
| 09:30.07 | Tierrie | server, not client |
| 09:30.10 | Maldivia | !vs us llane raybeez eu dragonmaw saran |
| 09:30.13 | ThraeBot | Maldivia: Raybeez vs Saran! A L70 druid and a L70 priest square off!; 1/46/14 vs 25/36/0; Saran wins by 539 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 09:30.30 | zenzelezz | sounds more like packages than modules, but I may be out of touch with the lingo |
| 09:31.33 | Elkano | the holy priest won? Oo |
| 09:31.48 | zenzelezz | again, it's not a perfect system |
| 09:31.57 | zenzelezz | it can let prot warriors win over casters |
| 09:31.58 | Elkano | I think it horribly fails for ferals |
| 09:32.06 | zenzelezz | then send him info :) |
| 09:33.41 | Nom- | hurray |
| 09:33.57 | Nom- | the blue came back and posted a summary of (some) of the things which are broken in ret |
| 09:34.04 | Nom- | I think he gets it now, 14 pages of flame later |
| 09:35.09 | Nom- | http://www.blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/771470160.htm |
| 09:47.12 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak reinmar |
| 09:47.14 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Reinmar, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/46/14). 12144 HP; 7505 Mana; 131 mana regen; 6373 Armour; 676 AP; 129.400 Melee DPS; 19.84% melee crit; 4 melee hit; 35 +heal; 155 defense; 39.03% dodge; 39 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 440 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cajf4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37k9k3 ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 06:00:42 2007 EST ]] |
| 09:52.54 | Thelyna | !vs us malygos thelyna us malygos moralda |
| 09:52.59 | ThraeBot | Thelyna: Thelyna vs Moralda! A L70 paladin and a L70 priest square off!; 41/20/0 vs 14/0/47; Thelyna wins by 25 TBRs! |
| 09:53.08 | Thelyna | ahahah |
| 09:55.28 | sag_ich_nicht | paladin haet manaburn. |
| 09:56.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Tierrie: 1. linux is a kernel, debian and red hat are linux based, and use a GNU provided toolkit around it to provide functionality |
| 09:56.57 | Thelyna | yeah ... Thelyna is my alt now though o.0 |
| 09:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | 2. what you are refering to are packages |
| 09:57.19 | sag_ich_nicht | 3. what you want to do is use: sudo aptitude install packagename |
| 09:57.43 | sag_ich_nicht | (and ubuntu is based on debian) |
| 09:57.54 | sag_ich_nicht | now hush, go /join #ubuntu and leave us alone :X |
| 09:59.18 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 09:59.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Tierrie |
| 09:59.23 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Tierrie's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 09:59.35 | bleeter | sudo aptitude install vsftpd, or sudo aptitude install proftpd .. depending on which one you want after reading the docs/etc. |
| 09:59.51 | sag_ich_nicht | no don't tell him a specific package |
| 10:00.01 | art3mis | sudo make me_a_sammich |
| 10:00.15 | sag_ich_nicht | you're doing it wrong |
| 10:00.32 | Kalroth | Mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:00.32 | art3mis | thats amazing~! |
| 10:00.36 | Kalroth | Damn aussies. |
| 10:00.48 | Buuyo | make bread; sudo install butter meat lettuce mustard; |
| 10:00.51 | art3mis | if i wasnt feeling under the weather id go make one of thsoe too |
| 10:01.05 | Buuyo | err sudo apt-get install |
| 10:01.05 | Buuyo | =p |
| 10:01.09 | bleeter | I'll knock an extra round together and /dcc them to you, art3mis |
| 10:01.15 | art3mis | heh |
| 10:01.29 | art3mis | one of my wifes co workers is aussie so he brought her a jar of vegamite for me |
| 10:02.04 | bleeter | I should get into distribution of vegemite, timtams and leatherwood honey to US mod authors ;) |
| 10:02.06 | art3mis | its disgusting plain but with cheese toast or buttered toast its yummy |
| 10:02.15 | bleeter | leatherwood honey > *.honey |
| 10:02.16 | art3mis | timtams? |
| 10:02.32 | bleeter | ~wiki timtam |
| 10:02.57 | art3mis | oh a coffee crisp ;P |
| 10:03.10 | bleeter | wiki page has shops in UK & US that sells them |
| 10:03.16 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Buuyo |
| 10:03.16 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Buuyo, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 10:03.21 | sag_ich_nicht | apt-get is depricated |
| 10:03.23 | sag_ich_nicht | do not use it |
| 10:03.26 | bleeter | I've had many a 'coffee crisp'.. TimTam > all |
| 10:03.28 | sag_ich_nicht | use aptitude |
| 10:03.42 | art3mis | coffee crisp is the same cept the big center malt is coffee flavoured/caffinated/ |
| 10:03.44 | Buuyo | I'm deprecated. I havent used linux in a couple years =p |
| 10:03.53 | art3mis | they're sooo yummy |
| 10:04.11 | bleeter | nah, the biscuit's a different consistency.. can't do TimTam Slam with them :P |
| 10:04.19 | art3mis | laugh |
| 10:04.20 | bleeter | which is a vital part of TimTam appreciation ;) |
| 10:04.32 | Wobin_ | s'true |
| 10:04.42 | bleeter | eg, UK's Penguin is total fail @ slam |
| 10:05.01 | Wobin_ | In fact, I think I'll go have one now |
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| 11:31.29 | bleetyarrrr | new PTR foo... hmm, I should hit on some of the winers here soon to properly test the VoIP stuff |
| 11:32.45 | Cairenn|afk | you're a day early bleetyarrrr |
| 11:32.56 | bleetyarrrr | Tue Sep 18 21:32:56 EST 2007 |
| 11:33.29 | bleetyarrrr | just be gettin' the nick set up and linked, yar, so if the connection walk the plank I be getting back onboard all dry 'n stuff |
| 11:33.32 | bleetyarrrr | and a bottle of rum |
| 11:35.02 | zenzelezz | the best NPC in WoW has to be Smiling Jim |
| 11:35.32 | bleetyarrrr | it'd be so cool if Azeroth celebrated talk like a pirate day, too |
| 11:36.00 | bleetyarrrr | 'Tis not as if th' t'ols t' talk like a buccaneer dern't exist |
| 11:36.23 | bleetyarrrr | /bin/sh: If you get my meaning hehe: command not found |
| 11:36.30 | bleetyarrrr | If ye get me meaning hehe |
| 11:36.50 | zenzelezz | talking to your shell is the first sign of madness |
| 11:37.12 | bleetyarrrr | I did put it in th' suggestion ferum, but it were bein' pretty late I think fer anything t' be done fer it this year :( |
| 11:39.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 11:39.43 | purl | ACTION facepalms |
| 11:40.37 | bleetyarrrr | GNU Talkfilters ftw! Shiver me timbers! |
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| 12:02.41 | laurly | is there anyway i can figure out the format for a savedvariable file from reading the lua code? |
| 12:08.05 | herzogthc | sure if you use search |
| 12:08.11 | herzogthc | and figure out where the object is instantiated |
| 12:08.13 | herzogthc | or variable |
| 12:08.14 | herzogthc | or file |
| 12:08.19 | herzogthc | and then track down what function did that :P |
| 12:08.21 | herzogthc | should figure out then |
| 12:08.38 | herzogthc | btw |
| 12:08.46 | herzogthc | metamap WKB is crazy |
| 12:09.02 | herzogthc | i know the guy who wrote that may be in here, but he's a crackhead :P looks like my php code at work |
| 12:09.07 | herzogthc | insanely efficient |
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| 12:09.59 | herzogthc | sup shirik |
| 12:10.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Shirik|AFK |
| 12:10.11 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik|AFK with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:10.11 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 12:10.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Shirik|Ecole |
| 12:10.15 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik|Ecole with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:10.15 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 12:10.22 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf I did |
| 12:10.35 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 12:10.35 | herzogthc | Shirik|AFK: Apparently, the only qualifier necessary to be stabbed today is existence. |
| 12:10.36 | Shirik|Ecole | changing rooms |
| 12:10.54 | |Jelly| | Sounds like fun. |
| 12:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 12:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | A more detailed answer is "when the tester-reported defect/error rate drops below accepted measures based on past experience with Live and PTR builds, as well as passing internal test checklists". |
| 12:11.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Current 2.2.0 builds are very close to this goal. |
| 12:11.10 | sag_ich_nicht | You might be surprised at the breadth and depth of data we have to draw on thanks to the Feedback-UI and the Error Reporter, and the continued participation of PTR testers. That data directly drives decisions about whether a given build is good enough to ship to Live or not. |
| 12:11.29 | sag_ich_nicht | tl;dr translation: if you want to 2.2 to ever ship, stop reporting bugs. |
| 12:11.35 | sag_ich_nicht | -to |
| 12:11.37 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:11.52 | herzogthc | sag_ich_nicht: what is that in reference to? |
| 12:12.05 | nevcairiel | 2.2 release date |
| 12:12.09 | herzogthc | oh |
| 12:12.16 | herzogthc | i assume you mean of wow :P |
| 12:12.36 | herzogthc | some developer has some sense |
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| 12:12.45 | bleetyarrrr | I was wondering how many purposeful bugs they put in, just to test the testing |
| 12:12.59 | herzogthc | sag_ich_nicht: May I have a link to that? That is totally getting sent to my boss. :P |
| 12:13.55 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1762746291&pageNo=1&sid=1#6 |
| 12:14.24 | Shirik|Ecole | so as I was saying before rudely interrupted by my professor |
| 12:14.27 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf I did? |
| 12:14.35 | sag_ich_nicht | herzogthc: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1762746291&sid=1 |
| 12:15.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:12] <herzogthc> some developer has some sense <--you realize that i wrote the "tl;dr:" part, right? |
| 12:15.34 | herzogthc | I was referring to the defect ratio |
| 12:15.35 | herzogthc | but |
| 12:15.42 | herzogthc | before I got distracted w/ changing for work |
| 12:15.48 | herzogthc | I was also going to comment about your astute observation :P |
| 12:15.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|Ecole: well |
| 12:15.56 | sag_ich_nicht | your localisation file |
| 12:15.57 | herzogthc | cause yes that's dmaned well what that means |
| 12:15.59 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what you did. |
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| 12:19.21 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 12:19.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=771320267&sid=1 |
| 12:19.29 | sag_ich_nicht | i guess i'll have to complain in this thread. |
| 12:19.31 | sag_ich_nicht | A LOT. |
| 12:20.09 | laurly | herzogthc: thanks guess its time to dig around in some lua .. |
| 12:21.51 | herzogthc | laurly: before you make the jump |
| 12:21.56 | herzogthc | laurly: Have you done any interpreted scripting before? |
| 12:22.17 | laurly | my lua is limited to fixing bugs in addons that i use. |
| 12:22.20 | herzogthc | I'm also assuming you've never looked at lua |
| 12:22.25 | herzogthc | ya right now same here |
| 12:22.29 | herzogthc | i meant like php, etc, whateva |
| 12:22.32 | laurly | oh i can read it mostly |
| 12:22.38 | herzogthc | reading it is so foreign to me still |
| 12:22.40 | herzogthc | i can modify it some |
| 12:22.44 | laurly | only thing i cant do in php is have it make coffie or do the dishes |
| 12:22.44 | herzogthc | i'm just not used to the end shit |
| 12:22.58 | herzogthc | and ocmments to me are and always will be // and /* :P |
| 12:23.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=771320267&postId=9119892682&sid=1#52 |
| 12:23.10 | sag_ich_nicht | am i right or am i right |
| 12:23.19 | herzogthc | 28gb tar woowoo |
| 12:23.24 | herzogthc | i wish i had 30gb writable discs on this server |
| 12:23.32 | herzogthc | but then i'd also have nothing to read it witih :( |
| 12:23.33 | herzogthc | and it's data |
| 12:23.35 | herzogthc | need a bluray drive fuck |
| 12:23.46 | laurly | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5345/ <-- requires that you upload some php file to the dkp site i cant do that so im going to try and make a file to rip the html if i can figure out the format that it needs |
| 12:24.12 | herzogthc | ereg and preg rock |
| 12:24.15 | laurly | and ofcourse i cant find my cursed login so cant even ask the guy :) |
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| 13:23.06 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 13:23.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Tharfor has guts i must say |
| 13:23.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and is absolutely flameproof. |
| 13:23.50 | sag_ich_nicht | he must have like 300 fire resistance and dampen magic buffed. |
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| 13:25.59 | mrst | *greets* |
| 13:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:26.46 | mrst | hello, hope im right here for a question about wow, lua/addons and executable |
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| 13:27.24 | mrst | i wish to know if there is a possibility to exchange informations with a wow-script and a executable |
| 13:27.29 | |Jelly| | Morning. |
| 13:27.35 | mrst | morning |
| 13:27.46 | zenzelezz | you can not communicate from inside WoW to the outside, if that's what you mean |
| 13:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, not possible, by design. It's a closed system. |
| 13:28.06 | mrst | yes, tha was what i meant |
| 13:28.13 | |Jelly| | A...sandbox...if you will. :P |
| 13:28.22 | mrst | hm, too bad ... |
| 13:30.58 | krka_ | of course, you _can_ communicate, but it's not something blizzard approves of |
| 13:31.06 | krka_ | you could get banned from the game if they find out |
| 13:31.18 | zenzelezz | it's generally better to simply say "you can't" |
| 13:31.32 | krka_ | less accurate :) |
| 13:31.33 | mrst | hm, i realy don't whant to be banned |
| 13:32.22 | mrst | and i dont whant to cheat or something, i only try to find a way to 'speed up' the addons by writing them in a kind of 'plugin' |
| 13:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Legalistic and excruciatingly detailed accuracy can often serve to cloud the issue, rather than being helpful. And brings Cladhaire out with the No Stick. |
| 13:32.47 | zenzelezz | Cairenn too |
| 13:32.54 | Lopeppeppy | mrst -- there may be another way to "speed up" your addon. Is it one that you've coded? |
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| 13:40.16 | cladhaire | *shrug* you guys pretend like we're some rules nazis, when i fact the only reason we do it is because slouken is kind enough to come into this channel every once in a while, and blizzard has given WoWI fansite status,. which gives us some opportunities (such as the free, no-strings attached beta keys for all addon authors). |
| 13:40.37 | cladhaire | We can talk about all the TOS violating stuff as much as you want, if you have no interest in maintaining those benefits :P |
| 13:41.00 | Cairenn | quite |
| 13:41.08 | zenzelezz | did I ever say I thought it was bad to not discuss questionable things? |
| 13:41.19 | Cairenn | nope, you didn't |
| 13:41.29 | zenzelezz | be glad I'm not an operator, I *am* a nazi about rules |
| 13:41.42 | Lopeppeppy | I certainly didn't mean to imply it, Cladhaire, I'm sorry if it sounded that way. |
| 13:42.10 | ben__ | renouncing free speech for free beta keys? sign me up! |
| 13:42.26 | Cairenn | ... |
| 13:43.02 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: don't bother |
| 13:43.41 | |Jelly| | *sighs* I guess it would help if I would register the event I'm trying to watch. /facepalm |
| 13:46.33 | Maldivia | cladhaire: well, there are some breaking of the TOS I don't mind, such as reverse engineering the file formats, which a lot of sites break (extracting from MPQ to get the spell.dbc files, converting blp to tga/png etc) |
| 13:46.47 | cladhaire | Maldivia: and they won't be dscussed here.. period. |
| 13:47.12 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: no, that wasn't directly at you.. just more in general.. we get a response "like that" each and every time something like this happens.. but there's a 100% valid reason for it, that each and every one of you benefit from. |
| 13:47.32 | cladhaire | Maldivia: and converting blp to tga isn't in any way considered a break of the ToS |
| 13:48.40 | cladhaire | they provide those files to us, directly. No lawyer on earth could argue that they're part of the data mining/reverse engineering clauses of the ToS/EuLA |
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| 13:49.31 | Maldivia | cladhaire: you underestimate lawyers then :) heh |
| 13:49.52 | cladhaire | no, I'm actually quite up on the legal system having deal with laywers for the past 15 years |
| 13:50.01 | cladhaire | i know you're kidding, but I'm not ;P |
| 13:50.18 | cladhaire | If it weren't for the "Extract game art" button, you'd be right |
| 13:50.42 | cogwheel | Maldivia: the only way it would be remotely possible to prevent us from creating BLPs is if BLPs used some patented technology |
| 13:50.43 | cladhaire | plus, the BLP specification was not reverse engineered from any wow data files |
| 13:50.56 | cladhaire | it was determined back in the warcraft 3 days |
| 13:51.20 | Maldivia | but wasn't it goverened by a similar tos at that time ? |
| 13:51.20 | cladhaire | cogwheel: his point wasn't that we were somehow not allowed to create them,, but the fact that we convert and reverse enginer them is somehow against the ToS.. which isn't true. |
| 13:51.29 | cladhaire | Maldivia: It doesn't matter now. |
| 13:51.35 | cladhaire | They give them to us. |
| 13:51.38 | cladhaire | using their own software. |
| 13:51.47 | cladhaire | their intent is for us to use and convert them |
| 13:51.56 | cladhaire | not just look at the pretty filenames :P |
| 13:52.01 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 13:54.36 | |Jelly| | Is there an event fired other than UNIT_HAPPINESS when your pet goes from say Unhappy to Happy? |
| 13:54.51 | cladhaire | UNIT_PET_ZOMGSMILEY? :P |
| 13:55.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:55.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | does anyone have a list of the built in sounds? |
| 13:55.32 | |Jelly| | Sole reason I've been sitting here reloading my UI for the past hour instead of asking. :\ |
| 13:55.39 | cladhaire | |Jelly|: easy enough to test |
| 13:55.42 | cladhaire | load devtools |
| 13:55.45 | cladhaire | use /dtframestack |
| 13:55.50 | cladhaire | dismiss and call your pet a few times, then feed him |
| 13:55.52 | cladhaire | and see what events fire. |
| 13:56.20 | |Jelly| | Did you mean /dtevents ? |
| 13:56.22 | zenzelezz | if I were to guess from the wiki's Pet events, you'll just have to call that GetPetHappiness() or whatever it was function and see |
| 13:56.42 | cladhaire | |Jelly|: yes, just woke up, apoligies :P |
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| 13:57.04 | |Jelly| | Well, that's what lead me to ask. I didn't see it but I thought maybe I missed it in the uber spam. |
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| 13:57.17 | Maldivia | cladhaire: but I agree, I'm not in the habbit of discussing TOS breaking items in this channel (or any other channel for that matter), at least not stuff against the spirit of the TOS (I'm a bit of a freak sometimes for information about items) |
| 13:57.35 | cladhaire | well i appreciate that |
| 13:57.48 | cladhaire | sorry to argue the semantics of something like the BLP thing.. but its pretty cut and dry :P |
| 13:58.04 | Maldivia | I don't mind, kind of bored at work anyway :) |
| 13:59.00 | Maldivia | but I still think, that BLP conversion is against the TOS, if you read it in a very very strict way, but it's not against the spirit of the TOS |
| 13:59.38 | cladhaire | find me the clause and i'll systematically dismantle your argument, or apoligize :P |
| 14:00.31 | Maldivia | "A. Subject to the license granted hereunder, you may not, in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Game, or remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Game." |
| 14:01.54 | bleetyarrrr | YARRRRRRR! |
| 14:02.01 | bleetyarrrr | Hoist the mainsails! |
| 14:02.17 | |Jelly| | Aren't you like three days early? |
| 14:02.28 | cladhaire | and what part of that do you feel they are violating? |
| 14:02.42 | cladhaire | cause thats the important part. |
| 14:02.43 | bleetyarrrr | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html |
| 14:02.45 | bleetyarrrr | Wed Sep 19 00:02:45 EST 2007 |
| 14:03.27 | |Jelly| | ROFL. Weren't those people on Trading Spouses like a million years ago? |
| 14:04.16 | Maldivia | cladhaire: well, depends on weather the art is considered a part of the game or not |
| 14:04.26 | cladhaire | Maldivia: the files they copy out for us, cannot. |
| 14:04.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 14:04.43 | cladhaire | imianalo |
| 14:04.59 | Maldivia | cladhaire: so the mpq the installers/patchers "copy out for us" can't either? |
| 14:05.16 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 14:05.19 | bleetyarrrr | bah, if BLPs are patented technology, and writing code to read/write them... you just get someone whose local (C) laws allow blackbox reverse engineering for interoperability purposes.. such as an australian. |
| 14:05.19 | Maldivia | heh :) |
| 14:05.26 | cladhaire | first off, BLP is not patented. |
| 14:05.34 | bleetyarrrr | tho I must admit, I'm drinkin' me rum and not followin' the conversation |
| 14:05.40 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:05.52 | Maldivia | bleetyarrrr: not talking about patents :) |
| 14:06.02 | cladhaire | Maldivia: The mpqs are created for the purposes of the game running, and as a result are part of "the game" |
| 14:06.24 | cladhaire | unzipping them, or parsing them for data that isn't available outside the game, is in violation of teh tos. |
| 14:06.31 | Maldivia | cladhaire: so by using the addon kit, they create a copy for us, not part of the game |
| 14:06.41 | cladhaire | the addon extractor takes files directly from the MPQ, creating copies of those files (LEGALLY) for us to use |
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| 14:06.57 | cladhaire | otherwise they'd just tell us to "download winmpq and get the interface data from the latest patch mpq" |
| 14:07.05 | cladhaire | but instead they provide us a tool, so we don't violate the tos in getting the data |
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| 14:10.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:49] <Maldivia> cladhaire: you underestimate lawyers then :) heh <--www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ lurk more, noobcake. the files you refer to are all provided by blizzard to us. |
| 14:11.04 | cladhaire | o hai conversation necromancer! |
| 14:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | HAI |
| 14:11.11 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:11.12 | sag_ich_nicht | you didn't link |
| 14:11.17 | cladhaire | i dont need to link |
| 14:11.18 | sag_ich_nicht | thus he was confused! |
| 14:11.22 | cladhaire | maldavia knows quite where the page is. |
| 14:11.26 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 14:11.29 | cladhaire | he's far from a nubcake. |
| 14:11.32 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 14:11.44 | cladhaire | just intentionally thick at times, for argumentative value :P |
| 14:12.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i have a baseball bat for those people. |
| 14:12.34 | Maldivia | I call always say I'm excused, as English is my 2nd language :) |
| 14:12.56 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 14:13.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i can always punch you for not using the events disassembly argument |
| 14:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | because that IS hosted on wowwiki, illegally obtained and widely used |
| 14:13.18 | sag_ich_nicht | >:P |
| 14:13.34 | sag_ich_nicht | (in before someone removes it) |
| 14:13.35 | Maldivia | we're not talking about wowwiki at all |
| 14:13.38 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 14:13.40 | sag_ich_nicht | just saying |
| 14:13.41 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 14:14.22 | sag_ich_nicht | especially since i could now go on further and argument using "you link that page from wowi, revoke fansite status!!!11one" |
| 14:14.33 | |Jelly| | http://wowi.pastey.net/74010 How would I go about making this only fire...when the happiness changes...as opposed to every time UNIT_HAPPINESS fires? |
| 14:14.38 | sag_ich_nicht | if you troll, troll properly, Maldivia |
| 14:14.49 | Maldivia | I'm not the one trolling right now |
| 14:14.52 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise, i will just eat you |
| 14:15.03 | Maldivia | ... and haven't been in this entire conversation |
| 14:15.05 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. you did that earlier. and now i'm eating you for it. |
| 14:15.10 | |Jelly| | Perhaps you should give lessons in proper trolling procedure? :P |
| 14:15.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i am |
| 14:15.19 | sag_ich_nicht | learning by doing, |Jelly| |
| 14:15.21 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 14:15.25 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:15.34 | Maldivia | "you don't say?" |
| 14:15.40 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 14:15.44 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: put a value in your frame called "happiness" or whatever and assign it a value when you first get the pet (UNIT_PET? PLAYER_PET_CHANGED? Not sure) and check against that on UNIT_HAPPINESS? |
| 14:16.07 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a recursive paradox, Maldivia, my nickname being that i won't tell you my nickname. |
| 14:16.27 | zenzelezz | that's no problem sag, we have a nickname for you behind your back |
| 14:16.36 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 14:16.40 | sag_ich_nicht | tell me in my face |
| 14:16.50 | zenzelezz | that wouldn't be any fun now would it |
| 14:16.55 | sag_ich_nicht | so the weak part in my can die and i may beceom stronger |
| 14:16.57 | sag_ich_nicht | *become |
| 14:17.08 | sag_ich_nicht | damn you, cheap Labtec keyboard! |
| 14:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | My brownies can also accomplish that for you, sag_ich_nicht. |
| 14:17.23 | sag_ich_nicht | *in me |
| 14:17.24 | sag_ich_nicht | christ |
| 14:17.29 | |Jelly| | You broke Cogwheel. I hope you're happy. |
| 14:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy lies |
| 14:17.42 | sag_ich_nicht | |Jelly| i broke him earlier already |
| 14:17.49 | Lopeppeppy | Only on special occasions. |
| 14:18.00 | |Jelly| | I'm not entirely sure if that's hot...or not. |
| 14:18.13 | sag_ich_nicht | it just took a while to propagate thru all possible multiverses |
| 14:18.18 | sag_ich_nicht | so he only disconnected just now |
| 14:18.19 | bleetyarrrr | some varmint's been spreading nsfw URLs round... next person who posts http://www.microsoft.com must be walkin' the plank! |
| 14:18.34 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.microsoft.com |
| 14:18.48 | sag_ich_nicht | is it talk like pirate day bleetyarrrr? |
| 14:18.49 | bleetyarrrr | ye be shark food oh saggy one! |
| 14:18.59 | Kalroth_ | bleetyarrrr: Too early! |
| 14:19.17 | bleetyarrrr | Kalroth_ be sharkfood too fer not understanding what all good pirates know |
| 14:19.21 | bleetyarrrr | Wed Sep 19 00:19:20 EST 2007 |
| 14:19.43 | bleetyarrrr | ye be havin' an international date line, ye be havin' more than 24 hours of pirate day! |
| 14:19.48 | bleetyarrrr | HOIST THE MAINSAILS! |
| 14:19.58 | Lopeppeppy | All hands to the boats! |
| 14:20.19 | sag_ich_nicht | also, i'm not saggy, since there are no meat bags used for nutrient deployment to infants attached to me that could be saggy, bleetyarrrr. |
| 14:21.16 | sag_ich_nicht | also, i haven't seen enough english language pirate movies yet to properly talk like cliche pirate in english :( |
| 14:21.17 | bleetyarrrr | I think saggy be tryin' to trick me outta me gold! |
| 14:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | Saggy is as saggy does, so sayeth Forrest Gump in this 'verse. |
| 14:23.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i think i should do what i'm best at. |
| 14:23.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~ninja |
| 14:23.39 | purl | i guess ninja is http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net |
| 14:23.42 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 14:23.46 | sag_ich_nicht | you're doing it wrong purl |
| 14:23.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 14:23.58 | purl | ACTION facepalms |
| 14:24.03 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
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| 14:27.45 | sag_ich_nicht | no, purl, facepalm is <action> facepalms at the situation |
| 14:28.01 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 14:28.15 | sag_ich_nicht | does it lag again? |
| 14:28.18 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 14:28.19 | purl | ACTION facepalms |
| 14:28.28 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, no, facepalm is <action> facepalms at the situation |
| 14:28.29 | purl | okay, sag_ich_nicht |
| 14:28.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 14:28.40 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 14:28.43 | sag_ich_nicht | excellent. |
| 14:29.06 | Wobin_ | yay |
| 14:29.09 | Wobin_ | leggings of assassination |
| 14:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! They're spiffy fun. |
| 14:29.22 | Wobin_ | Now all I have to do is run SL until the spear drops for my guildie =P |
| 14:29.32 | Wobin_ | (...539 runs later...) |
| 14:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh... Shadow Labs makes me break out in hives. |
| 14:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i was going for "facepalms at the <adjective> failure", but i can't remember the damn adjective i was going to use |
| 14:29.47 | Wobin_ | we had a great group |
| 14:29.52 | Wobin_ | abject? |
| 14:29.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 14:29.53 | purl | beats Lopeppeppy senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 14:29.58 | Lopeppeppy | Hawt. |
| 14:30.00 | Wobin_ | utter? |
| 14:30.03 | Wobin_ | complete? |
| 14:30.06 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 14:30.25 | sag_ich_nicht | like imminent, but when it already occured. |
| 14:30.27 | sag_ich_nicht | it's SHADOW LABYRINTH |
| 14:30.35 | Wobin_ | heheh |
| 14:30.37 | sag_ich_nicht | not SHADOW LABYRINTHS |
| 14:30.41 | Wobin_ | WHERE'S THE LABORATORY? |
| 14:30.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it's only ONE, not MULTIPLE |
| 14:30.48 | sag_ich_nicht | SINGULAR |
| 14:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | If you drink enough, it's multiple. And since when have nicknames made sense? Relax, take some valiums. |
| 14:31.07 | Wobin_ | It's not very labrynthial if you ask me |
| 14:31.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin_ true. |
| 14:31.21 | |Jelly| | IMO, your cruise control is set way to far into the red. |
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| 14:31.25 | Wobin_ | an unmaze of really not twisty passages ... all alike |
| 14:31.29 | sag_ich_nicht | *too far |
| 14:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | now help me find that adjective. |
| 14:32.07 | |Jelly| | First Rule of Trolling: Completely miss the point and point out grammatical errors instead. |
| 14:32.11 | |Jelly| | I'm taking notes... |
| 14:32.20 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 14:32.21 | Wobin_ | We had... prot warr tank, resto shammy healer, resto shammy dps, mace rogue and BM hunter |
| 14:32.22 | MoonWolf | yes. |
| 14:32.25 | sag_ich_nicht | that's a rule for grammar nazis |
| 14:32.45 | |Jelly| | "resto shammy dps" ... |
| 14:32.46 | sag_ich_nicht | but the troll class may borrow from the arsenal of other flamewar warriors |
| 14:32.47 | Wobin_ | double shammy == double heroism == teh fun |
| 14:32.53 | Wobin_ | I know =) |
| 14:32.55 | sag_ich_nicht | resto shammy dps? |
| 14:33.01 | Wobin_ | he out dps the tank |
| 14:33.06 | Wobin_ | *'d |
| 14:33.15 | Wobin_ | at least |
| 14:33.19 | |Jelly| | I could go mace mobs and out dps a tank. :\ |
| 14:33.24 | MoonWolf | second rule of trolling, contradict randomly picked points in any arugments, for no reason. |
| 14:33.31 | Wobin_ | arguments |
| 14:33.36 | Wobin_ | ^^ |
| 14:33.39 | MoonWolf | fast learner. |
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| 14:34.00 | Wobin_ | I <3 WF totem |
| 14:34.03 | Wobin_ | I really really do |
| 14:34.10 | |Jelly| | I <3 WoA |
| 14:34.12 | Wobin_ | and 70% haste is so shiny |
| 14:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | MoonWolf: no, that's all wrong. you don't pick them randomly, and you do it for a reason |
| 14:34.45 | Wobin_ | Heroism + Blackout + Drakefist + SnD + Cheapshot |
| 14:34.55 | Wobin_ | it doesn't happen very often... but when it does... =) |
| 14:34.59 | MoonWolf | sag_ich_nicht, no you don't. |
| 14:35.03 | sag_ich_nicht | the reason is to cause drama and lulz, and you pick the one that have the highest probability of doing so while having the least danger of exposing that you are in fact, trolling. |
| 14:35.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:34] <+MoonWolf> sag_ich_nicht, no you don't. <--you learn quick, young padawan. |
| 14:35.51 | MoonWolf | <insirt witty remark> |
| 14:36.15 | sag_ich_nicht | MoonWolf just lost the game. |
| 14:36.31 | MoonWolf | that means sag_ich_nicht also lost the game. |
| 14:36.36 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 14:36.41 | sag_ich_nicht | but if i lose, everybody loses! |
| 14:36.54 | MoonWolf | all of you lose the game! |
| 14:36.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalenuke everybody |
| 14:36.56 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around everybody with his mind powers |
| 14:37.12 | MoonWolf | that remind me |
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| 14:37.30 | MoonWolf | i need to export all the whalefu and port them into another blootbot. |
| 14:37.51 | bleetyarrrr | methinks Cide have been stealin' me bottle of rum! |
| 14:37.51 | sag_ich_nicht | MoonWolf why is that? |
| 14:38.04 | MoonWolf | because i want the other blootbot to have whalefu too. |
| 14:38.18 | Wobin_ | oh man bleetyarrrr |
| 14:38.23 | sag_ich_nicht | can they have epic duels? |
| 14:38.24 | sag_ich_nicht | please? |
| 14:38.25 | Wobin_ | Is it TLAP day already? |
| 14:38.31 | bleetyarrrr | IT BE! YAR! |
| 14:38.34 | ts|skrom | !c us uldum dalet |
| 14:38.36 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom: Dalet, Level 51 Night Elf Druid (0/41/1). 2399 HP; 2524 Mana; 84 mana regen; 682 AP; 96.200 Melee DPS; 23.04% melee crit; 21.90% dodge; 5 arcane resist; 25 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 816 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2558aw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qchen ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 10:52:05 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:38.42 | Wobin_ | Avast! |
| 14:38.47 | MoonWolf | Wobin_, one more day |
| 14:38.52 | MoonWolf | 19th |
| 14:38.52 | Wobin_ | Not for us! =) |
| 14:39.01 | ts|skrom | !us uldum fawn |
| 14:39.04 | Wobin_ | It's the 19th by at least 40min |
| 14:39.09 | bleetyarrrr | Wed Sep 19 00:39:09 EST 2007 |
| 14:39.10 | ts|skrom | !c us uldum fawn |
| 14:39.13 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom: Fawn, Level 49 Draenei Warrior (0/40/0). 2629 HP; 3235 Armour; 718 AP; 84.700 Melee DPS; 18.81% melee crit; 7.83% dodge; 4.92% block; 10 shadow resist (+10); +15 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 661 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2953oj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bh7uq ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 10:52:42 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:39.31 | bleetyarrrr | Wobin_: these scurvy US scum don't be knowin Piracy 101 and International Date Lines! TO THE PLANK WITH THEM! |
| 14:39.46 | bleetyarrrr | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1762846710&sid=1 |
| 14:39.58 | ts|skrom | !vs us uldum dalet us uldum fawn |
| 14:39.59 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom: Dalet vs Fawn! Dalet has +2 lvls on Fawn (51 vs 49); A L51 druid and a L49 warrior square off!; 0/41/1 vs 0/40/0; Dalet wins by 157 TBRs! |
| 14:40.19 | Wobin_ | I wonder if they'll change the avatars to the pirate one for everyone |
| 14:40.22 | Wobin_ | that'd be cool |
| 14:40.22 | Wobin_ | arr |
| 14:40.34 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:39] <bleetyarrrr> Wobin_: these scurvy US scum don't be knowin Piracy 101 and International Date Lines! TO THE PLANK WITH THEM! <--YARRR, WE BE KINGS OF THE SEA, YARRRRR |
| 14:40.40 | MoonWolf | I dont HAVE a ship |
| 14:40.46 | MoonWolf | good luck making holes in nil |
| 14:40.57 | sag_ich_nicht | yarr, feed him to the sharks i say! |
| 14:41.10 | bleetyarrrr | ye be not havin one now, 'coz I blew it to tiny bits! TO THE PLANK! |
| 14:42.04 | Wobin_ | ye blew yer sharks to bits? Ahar! |
| 14:42.11 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 14:42.12 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 14:42.23 | bleetyarrrr | Wobin_: this why ye be first mate, an' not cap'n like me :/ |
| 14:42.24 | |Jelly| | http://static.flickr.com/29/44753311_a9270c41ac_o.jpg <-- i lol'd |
| 14:42.28 | Wobin_ | so yeah, what was the adjective you were after? |
| 14:42.36 | bleetyarrrr | SCURVY DOGS! |
| 14:42.37 | sag_ich_nicht | i still don't know. |
| 14:42.39 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 14:43.07 | Wobin_ | past tense? |
| 14:43.10 | bleetyarrrr | R, that be a good keyboard |
| 14:43.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno >< |
| 14:43.32 | Wobin_ | hehe I recall the 'arr' command on the Mud I was on |
| 14:43.42 | Wobin_ | you could go 'arr <target> 5000' |
| 14:43.58 | Wobin_ | and it would spam them with randomly capitalised and coloured 'arr's |
| 14:43.59 | sag_ich_nicht | it's like, when a situation is currently present "in the room", so to say |
| 14:44.00 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 14:44.07 | Wobin_ | with 5000 'r's |
| 14:44.38 | Wobin_ | inevitable? |
| 14:45.00 | Wobin_ | example of such a situation? |
| 14:45.04 | bleetyarrrr | only problem wit' tha keyboard be I'd be keep breakin' it wit' me hook! |
| 14:45.45 | bleetyarrrr | but i not be gettin' too worried bout that, i just go to shore and be gettin' anotha |
| 14:45.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin_ imagine you wake up, naked, in ogrimmar... as alliance. and have a naked gnome next to you. |
| 14:46.02 | sag_ich_nicht | *orgrimmar |
| 14:46.06 | bleetyarrrr | naked? BAWDY NAKED WIMMIN?! |
| 14:46.08 | ts|skrom | Shouldn't drink so much |
| 14:46.18 | bleetyarrrr | WENCHING! WOOHOO! |
| 14:46.28 | sag_ich_nicht | (i still want that as an effect when you drink WAY too much) |
| 14:46.36 | sag_ich_nicht | and then the guards find you and just stare. |
| 14:46.38 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 14:47.07 | bleetyarrrr | nothin' gets the lad's ready for a good day pirating than a decent bit of wenching tha night before we leave port |
| 14:48.10 | sag_ich_nicht | afk, drivin home |
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| 14:49.34 | bleetyarrrr | ahh, now this is a happy site for pirate eyes yarrr http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/Dracodragon09/WoWScrnShot_072807_010823.jpg |
| 14:49.44 | |Jelly| | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_hi_te/emoticon_anniversary |
| 14:51.21 | mikma | YARRR! i has the same suit |
| 14:51.29 | mikma | but, can't land in gadgeztan ;) |
| 14:52.30 | bleetyarrrr | they all be scurvy landlubbin dogs them goblins |
| 14:52.52 | bleetyarrrr | you ever EVER see em in a boat? on the high seas? I THINK NOT! DEATH TO THEM ALL! |
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| 15:05.05 | Shirik|Ghost | wtf |
| 15:05.06 | Shirik|Ghost | are you serious? |
| 15:05.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I disconnected.... 2 hours ago |
| 15:05.37 | Shirik|Ecole | it was still online o.o |
| 15:05.41 | |Jelly| | lewl |
| 15:09.34 | zenzelezz | the Ecole logged on six minutes before Ghost did |
| 15:09.41 | Shirik|Ecole | oh did he? |
| 15:09.58 | Shirik|Ecole | oh you're right |
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| 15:09.59 | Shirik|Ecole | - |
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| 15:10.04 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid school network >.> |
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| 15:17.03 | Shirik|Ecole | you know |
| 15:17.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I just realized how much I hate Lua's comment syntax |
| 15:17.19 | Shirik|Ecole | The fact that -- is ambiguous is annoying |
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| 15:20.03 | zenzelezz | ambiguous? |
| 15:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Basically, here's the rules, as I see it : |
| 15:21.38 | Shirik|Ecole | -- indicates "ignore the rest of the line" |
| 15:21.50 | Shirik|Ecole | --[[ indicates "ignore anything until we reach a ]]" |
| 15:21.59 | Shirik|Ecole | But -- already indicates "ignore the rest of the line" which means [[ should be ignored |
| 15:22.11 | Shirik|Ecole | So you have to read ahead to figure out exactly what you're doing |
| 15:22.24 | cog|work | Shirik|Ecole: --[[ is its very own token imo |
| 15:22.41 | cog|work | separate from -- |
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| 15:22.49 | Shirik|Ecole | right but that doesn't change the fact that I can't just look for -- |
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| 15:23.04 | cog|work | true, but "ambiguous" was definitely not the right word :P |
| 15:23.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I would call it ambiguous |
| 15:23.36 | Shirik|Ecole | because -- indicates "ignore the rest of the line" except in exceptional cases |
| 15:23.36 | cog|work | ~dict ambiguous |
| 15:23.45 | Shirik|Ecole | "Uncertain" |
| 15:23.51 | cog|work | but it's not uncertain |
| 15:23.54 | Shirik|Ecole | sure it is |
| 15:23.59 | cog|work | there are very certain rules as to how to form comments |
| 15:23.59 | Shirik|Ecole | it is not always "ignore the rest of the line" |
| 15:24.10 | Shirik|Ecole | There are actually an infinite number of rules as to how to form comments |
| 15:24.16 | Shirik|Ecole | and an infinite number of tokens |
| 15:24.17 | cog|work | you know exactly what to look for |
| 15:24.37 | cog|work | nope. that very much doesn't fit the meaning of ambiguous |
| 15:24.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I know what to look for, yes, but that doesn't mean that -- is indeed "capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses" |
| 15:24.51 | Shirik|Ecole | as it is |
| 15:24.59 | cog|work | no it's not |
| 15:25.04 | cog|work | --[[ blah ]] |
| 15:25.12 | cog|work | is not capable of being understood in two different ways |
| 15:25.19 | Shirik|Ecole | So in that case, -- does not mean "ignore the rest of the line" |
| 15:25.23 | cog|work | it is an error to understand it any differently than its meaning |
| 15:25.34 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact I want to go take a look at the BNF now |
| 15:25.45 | Wobin_ | I like using --[[ --]] |
| 15:26.03 | Shirik|Ecole | me too |
| 15:26.10 | Shirik|Ecole | because then you can go ----[[ |
| 15:26.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I think that's a trick I learned from pil actually |
| 15:27.06 | Shirik|Ecole | heh, awesome |
| 15:27.19 | cog|work | Shirik|Ecole: "time flies like an arrow" is ambiguous |
| 15:27.22 | Shirik|Ecole | refman part 8 doesn't even define comments |
| 15:27.30 | Wobin_ | fruit flies like bananas |
| 15:27.52 | cog|work | Shirik|Ecole: A comment starts with a double hyphen (--) anywhere outside a string. If the text immediately after -- is not an opening long bracket, the comment is a short comment, which runs until the end of the line. Otherwise, it is a long comment, which runs until the corresponding closing long bracket. Long comments are frequently used to disable code temporarily. |
| 15:28.05 | cog|work | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.1 |
| 15:28.31 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not true either |
| 15:28.38 | cog|work | O.O |
| 15:28.45 | cog|work | that's straight out of the refman |
| 15:28.48 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's not true |
| 15:28.53 | cog|work | yes it is |
| 15:29.10 | Shirik|Ecole | oh I skipped a word |
| 15:29.12 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 15:29.16 | Shirik|Ecole | curse my reading too fast |
| 15:29.23 | Shirik|Ecole | "long" is an important word |
| 15:29.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I was about to argue the --[ .... point |
| 15:30.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Still I'm depressed it's not expressed in BNF |
| 15:31.01 | zenzelezz | I never liked BNF |
| 15:31.48 | Shirik|Ecole | But you can't argue that it at least provides an absolute way to unambiguously define something |
| 15:31.55 | Shirik|Ecole | s/something/a language/ |
| 15:32.15 | zenzelezz | you'll notice that I didn't argue that |
| 15:32.20 | zenzelezz | I just hate the syntax |
| 15:32.23 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 15:32.37 | cog|work | Huh... the BNF doesn't even define strings... |
| 15:33.26 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 15:33.29 | Shirik|Ecole | well they have exp ::= nil | false | true | Number | String | `...´ | function | |
| 15:33.29 | Shirik|Ecole | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess they assume you know what "String" is |
| 15:34.20 | krka | can you even properly define lua in pure bnf? |
| 15:34.32 | cog|work | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#8 |
| 15:34.42 | cog|work | "extended BNF" |
| 15:34.49 | krka | or in pure bnf |
| 15:35.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't really know anyone that uses pure bnf anymore |
| 15:35.13 | Shirik|Ecole | so I just refer to extended bnf as bnf |
| 15:35.31 | krka | err, sorry, my previous line was meant to say extended bnf |
| 15:35.39 | Shirik|Ecole | should be able to |
| 15:35.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't see why you couldn't; and they made an effort to in to refman |
| 15:35.53 | Shirik|Ecole | though as you can see they left some stuff out |
| 15:36.17 | krka | i wonder how i'd define long comment |
| 15:36.37 | cog|work | moo |
| 15:37.10 | cog|work | Why do people call to leave a message that they got my boss's e-mail and will be replying to said e-mail and that i should give my boss the same message that they'll be sending in their e-mail? |
| 15:37.38 | Shirik|Ecole | lsBlock ::= `=` [ lsBlock ] |
| 15:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I get that a lot too, cog|work |
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| 15:38.25 | Shirik|Ecole | longString ::= `[` [ lsBlock ] `[` block `]` [ lsBlock ] `]` |
| 15:38.35 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 15:39.09 | Shirik|Ecole | hey |
| 15:39.49 | krka | how do you make sure that doesn't match [==[ ]=] as a long string? |
| 15:40.25 | Shirik|Ecole | backreferences :P |
| 15:41.14 | krka | you can have that? |
| 15:41.39 | Shirik|Ecole | there's something like { and } |
| 15:41.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I forget how it works |
| 15:41.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I think it's something like |
| 15:41.54 | Maldivia | "Team 3 is working on something really awesome. [laughter] I will totally tell you, it's really awesome." |
| 15:42.25 | cog|work | Maldivia: it's HKIA |
| 15:42.37 | Shirik|Ecole | longString ::= `[` { [ lsBlock ] } `[` block `]` { [ lsBlock ] } `]` |
| 15:42.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't know the details of BNF... I know how to read it and that's good enough for me ^^ |
| 15:43.31 | Maldivia | cogwheel: Hong Kong International Airport? |
| 15:43.50 | cog|work | hello kitty island adventure |
| 15:44.19 | Shirik|Ecole | W3C relied on this for their XML definition |
| 15:44.45 | Maldivia | cogwheel: ah... then it's really really awesome.... |
| 15:44.53 | Shirik|Ecole | granted they made some modifications to BNF |
| 15:44.55 | Shirik|Ecole | but meh |
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| 15:49.59 | Valaron|Work | Happy Birthday :-)! |
| 15:50.02 | Valaron|Work | http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/09/18/emoticon.anniversary.ap/index.html |
| 15:50.10 | cog|work | =D |
| 15:50.21 | cog|work | ^_^ |
| 15:50.30 | Shirik|Ecole | ~birthday :-) |
| 15:50.31 | purl | ACTION Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you!, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEEAARR :-), Happy Birthday toooo yoooou! |
| 15:50.33 | |Jelly| | GRR @ Valaron! |
| 15:51.19 | |Jelly| | [09:50]<|Jelly|>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_hi_te/emoticon_anniversary <-- went completely ignored |
| 15:51.42 | Valaron|Work | cnn is better, maybe. |
| 15:51.44 | cog|work | Your 9:50 is my 7:50 :P |
| 15:51.48 | cog|work | I was omw to work |
| 15:51.57 | Valaron|Work | Same. |
| 15:52.03 | Thunder_Child | i was sleeping |
| 15:52.05 | Valaron|Work | Well.. I was already at work at 7:50 |
| 15:52.10 | |Jelly| | Well, that's two excuses. The rest of you?!? HUH?!? |
| 15:52.17 | Thunder_Child | 3 |
| 15:52.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart |Jelly| |
| 15:52.24 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P |Jelly|' action |
| 15:52.34 | |Jelly| | TC, you never have an excuse. |
| 15:52.36 | |Jelly| | ever. |
| 15:53.14 | Thunder_Child | i always have an excuse....i'm me |
| 15:53.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm at work, |Jelly|-dear, I miss all the good stuff in Alt-Tab. |
| 15:53.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't work |
| 15:53.55 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: if you're real nice to your boss maybe (s)he'll get you a second monitor? ;) |
| 15:54.03 | Shirik|Ecole | = |
| 15:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | =P |
| 15:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I just had to trade cookies for a chair with arms. I'm not gettin' a real desktop computer, much less a second monitor to go with it! :) |
| 15:55.26 | |Jelly| | And you're right Shirik. GG? |
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| 15:55.58 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: that remindsl me... the arms of my chair have split and are leaking rubber bits all over the floor... |
| 15:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I recommend recycling the bits and getting a new chair. |
| 15:56.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 15:56.45 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on |Jelly| and suddenly hugs |Jelly| tightly |
| 15:57.08 | Rallion | your chairarms are stuffed with rubberbits? |
| 15:57.12 | |Jelly| | Thanks Purl. Too bad that jerk face Shirik is a meany. |
| 15:57.22 | Wobin_ | gnight ye scurvy dogs! |
| 15:57.39 | Thunder_Child | huh....mental image of a jerk face |
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| 15:57.59 | Thunder_Child | night Wobin_ |
| 15:58.00 | cog|work | purl, i love you |
| 15:58.01 | purl | You love you? |
| 15:58.09 | cog|work | well, yes, but... |
| 15:58.15 | cog|work | ~botsmack |
| 15:58.15 | purl | OWW! |
| 15:58.16 | Rallion | my myspace 'name' is Jerkface. |
| 16:00.05 | cog|work | |Jelly|: responded ;P |
| 16:00.29 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf.... |
| 16:00.34 | Shirik|Ecole | reading one of my old codes |
| 16:00.37 | |Jelly| | ...don't you use Vista? |
| 16:00.38 | Shirik|Ecole | it has a test in here |
| 16:00.47 | Shirik|Ecole | if not (foo ~= bar) then |
| 16:00.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:01.02 | nevcairiel | yay for logic |
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| 16:06.23 | cog|work | I enjoy using vista, quirks and all... This is the first windows release where I had the means to be an early adopter :) |
| 16:06.26 | Shirik|Ecole | if not (wnd ~= _G[_G._G.rawget(getfenv(0), wnd:GetParent():GetChild("wnd"):GetName()):GetName()]) then error("Programmer can't read") end |
| 16:06.28 | Shirik|Ecole | oops |
| 16:06.45 | nevcairiel | wth is that _G[_G._G. |
| 16:06.46 | ts|skrom | Rallion you are a 16 year old female from Croton, Ohio? |
| 16:06.53 | ts|skrom | http://www.myspace.com/jerkface ^^ |
| 16:06.55 | zenzelezz | Programmer can't shorten his quit message enough though |
| 16:06.56 | sag_ich_nicht | YARRRRRRRRRRR |
| 16:07.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:00] <Shirik|Ecole> if not (foo ~= bar) then <--actually you might have a valid readability reason to write it that way |
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| 16:07.50 | cog|work | nevcairiel: _G[index] is equivalent (semantically) to getglobal(index) |
| 16:07.57 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 16:08.02 | nevcairiel | but whats the point of _G._G |
| 16:08.09 | cog|work | read the rest of the statement |
| 16:08.11 | nevcairiel | (see shiriks line) |
| 16:08.13 | cog|work | i think that's the point :P |
| 16:08.24 | nevcairiel | meh :P |
| 16:08.31 | sag_ich_nicht | stating that foo != bar is the desired state, basicially. |
| 16:08.33 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 16:08.38 | Maldivia | hah... shirik's test will fail, if wnd is not parented :) |
| 16:08.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 16:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i see the rest only now |
| 16:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 16:09.00 | sag_ich_nicht | in that case |
| 16:09.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Shirik |
| 16:09.23 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Shirik |
| 16:09.24 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 16:10.08 | Thunder_Child | there is way more than one ts|skrom |
| 16:10.20 | Thunder_Child | 54 of them |
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| 16:10.45 | zenzelezz | 54 ts|skroms? That's scary |
| 16:11.04 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 16:11.04 | purl | squeezes zenzelezz till zenzelezz turns blue like papa smurf |
| 16:11.26 | cog|work | Gnome + Night Elf -> Smurf |
| 16:12.02 | cog|work | actually, i suppose Draenei work better nowadays... considering they're hue is bluer than most NEs |
| 16:12.19 | foxlit|mac | http://www.comedycentral.com/ |
| 16:12.28 | zenzelezz | can't be more smurf than a fixer in Grid Armor |
| 16:12.30 | foxlit|mac | Just me or does that redirect to page not found_ |
| 16:12.31 | Maldivia | cogwheel, and draenei eat gnomes... så |
| 16:12.49 | cog|work | Maldivia: and humans eat cows |
| 16:12.52 | cog|work | your point? |
| 16:13.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:13.58 | Maldivia | would it be beastiarity, if it involves a druid... |
| 16:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | cog|wheel, it's been done. |
| 16:14.27 | cog|work | bestiality |
| 16:14.38 | Lopeppeppy | Among other things WoW-related. |
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| 16:21.29 | ts|skrom | Thunder_Child what are you talking about? |
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| 16:25.06 | Srosh | !c eu teldrassil synika |
| 16:25.08 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Synika, Level 70 Human Paladin (49/12/0). 8187 HP; 10143 Mana; 208 mana regen; 75 mp5; 13265 Armour; 75.600 Melee DPS; 4.65% melee crit; 96 spell crit; 174 +spell dmg; 1850 +heal; 4.45% dodge; 5.00% block; +33 all resists;[[ TBR: 1057 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26yurs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38e2y2 ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 12:38:38 2007 EST ]] |
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| 16:26.49 | Thunder_Child | "(09:06:58) (ts|skrom) Rallion you are a 16 year old female from Croton, Ohio?" |
| 16:29.17 | ts|skrom | I remember saying this... but I don't know what "54 ts|skroms" means :) |
| 16:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | I think Thunder_Child went and looked you up in return? |
| 16:30.58 | Thunder_Child | no, there were 54 jerkfaces |
| 16:31.18 | Thunder_Child | the other comment came from the deranged mind of zenzelezz |
| 16:31.29 | ts|skrom | ahh, but only one http://www.myspace.com/jerkface :P |
| 16:31.31 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 16:32.42 | Thunder_Child | and the usual collection of random #'s after it /jerkface1, /jerkface2, etc. |
| 16:33.13 | Shirik|Ecole | yey |
| 16:33.16 | Shirik|Ecole | finally found a use for do...end |
| 16:33.18 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1762876825#48 <------ Real smart idea to post a link to a site that crashes IE on a thread with a Blue in it... |
| 16:33.22 | ts|skrom | Well don't worry in the future I will keep my tongue in cheekness to myself |
| 16:33.44 | Thunder_Child | dont do that...then how would i screw around with people |
| 16:34.05 | ts|skrom | :O |
| 16:34.21 | ts|skrom | Drat, time to go cover for the receptionist |
| 16:34.24 | ts|skrom | be back later... |
| 16:34.34 | ts|skrom | wonder if I can answer the phones like a pirate and get away with it ... |
| 16:34.40 | Thunder_Child | hmm...hitting up /jerkface2 found me "Generalknitting and sniffing poptarts" |
| 16:35.12 | Thunder_Child | s/"Generalknitting and sniffing poptarts"/"General knitting and sniffing poptarts"/ |
| 16:35.48 | Thunder_Child | disturbing ftw |
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| 16:42.27 | |Jelly| | Cog. That arrow is STILL taunting me. Do something about it imo. :P |
| 16:43.06 | Rallion | 1) I am not 16/f/Ohio. 2) There are actually 142 Jerkfaces, by display name. |
| 16:43.27 | |Jelly| | The forums. The arrow that doesn't work anymore! |
| 16:44.59 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 16:45.30 | cog|work | I never had that problem because the hover menu pops up before my brain sends the message to click the button... |
| 16:45.34 | cog|work | guess i'm just slow :P |
| 16:46.16 | JoshBorke | ~lart cog|work |
| 16:46.16 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack cog|work |
| 16:46.35 | cog|work | /cast Whirlwind |
| 16:46.43 | JoshBorke | ooo, good one |
| 16:46.44 | cog|work | mmmm dinner for weeks |
| 16:46.48 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 16:46.55 | JoshBorke | he failed to mention they were rabies infested ;-P |
| 16:47.10 | cog|work | rabies is like berserker rage imo |
| 16:47.34 | cog|work | (from a conceptual standpoint... not the in-game rabies) |
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| 16:50.14 | JoshBorke | bye |
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| 16:55.25 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 16:55.36 | Kaydeethree | the server techs have finally had enough of auctioneer |
| 16:55.51 | zenzelezz | oh? |
| 16:55.56 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm? |
| 16:56.09 | Kaydeethree | in the 2.3 changes list: "QueryAuctionItems - New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways." |
| 16:56.09 | zenzelezz | I saw a thread on EU General whining about how prices were TOO LOW thanks to Auctioneer |
| 16:56.36 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting on both points. |
| 16:57.09 | zenzelezz | basically the thread was WAH WAH my primals only sell for 35g; USED TO BE 70 |
| 16:57.47 | Kaydeethree | QQ, the economy evolves as more people start farming |
| 17:01.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaydeethree ahahahahaha roflmao |
| 17:01.24 | sag_ich_nicht | win |
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| 17:10.16 | |Jelly| | I wonder if I can talk Cairenn into changing my name. |
| 17:10.32 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.49 | Cairenn | sure |
| 17:10.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | <cog|work> rabies is like berserker rage imo |
| 17:10.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 17:11.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | this pinged me :P |
| 17:11.13 | cog|work | haha |
| 17:12.27 | ts|skrom | let's see who else thinks this would be funny |
| 17:12.42 | ts|skrom | When OJ goes up for sentancing and his defense tries to argue that he's a "First time offender" |
| 17:17.13 | Thunder_Child | is that some bad pun on football? |
| 17:20.53 | Valaron|Work | If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit |
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| 17:20.57 | ts|skrom | why are people so up in arms over the orc shoulders.. |
| 17:21.07 | ts|skrom | that's a very ridiculous thing to be so emo about |
| 17:21.11 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.35 | Valaron|Work | What does it look like now? |
| 17:21.48 | ts|skrom | really really small |
| 17:25.47 | Valaron|Work | Eh... |
| 17:25.47 | Valaron|Work | As long as my gameplay isn't affected, I could care less. |
| 17:25.47 | |Jelly| | couldn't* :P |
| 17:25.48 | Rallion | I came home to play Metroid for the 2 free hours I have today and I spent them just clicking on StumbleUpon |
| 17:25.48 | Valaron|Work | StumbleUpon? |
| 17:25.48 | cog|work | anyone know whereabouts the current throttle is for auction requests? |
| 17:25.48 | cog|work | 5 sec? |
| 17:25.48 | Kaydeethree | somewhere around there |
| 17:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work go ask in #norganna :P |
| 17:25.49 | Kaydeethree | poke someone in #norganna? |
| 17:25.49 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 17:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i was faster |
| 17:25.53 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:25.54 | sag_ich_nicht | or punch bleetyarrrr |
| 17:26.10 | cog|work | stop typing messages! I keep clicking on #norganna? instead of #norganna :P |
| 17:26.18 | Rallion | Valaron|Work, no time, Google it :P |
| 17:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | quick |
| 17:26.25 | sag_ich_nicht | type faster |
| 17:26.29 | sag_ich_nicht | so cog can't click |
| 17:26.31 | sag_ich_nicht | quick! |
| 17:26.33 | sag_ich_nicht | go! |
| 17:26.39 | sag_ich_nicht | god you are slow by now he probably joined |
| 17:26.48 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:26] * cog|work (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com) has joined #norganna |
| 17:26.50 | sag_ich_nicht | there now you did it |
| 17:26.52 | sag_ich_nicht | great job |
| 17:26.53 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
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| 17:38.18 | ts|skrom | "In a game where image is everything (netherdrake mounts anyone?), we'd like to get our shoulders fixed already" I don't know that I ever consciously notice shoulderpads and think "WOW that makes that character kewl!" |
| 17:38.19 | Kaydeethree | netsplits </3 |
| 17:40.49 | mikma | ts|skrom: orc shoulders? |
| 17:43.23 | ts|skrom | yes? |
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| 17:43.54 | mikma | so seems like they arent fixed yet |
| 17:44.05 | ts|skrom | that would appear to be the case |
| 17:44.24 | zenzelezz | not fixed in 2.2? |
| 17:44.34 | ts|skrom | supposed to be |
| 17:44.45 | zenzelezz | I know, that's why I'm asking |
| 17:44.59 | zenzelezz | been saying it will be in 2.2 since what, July? Would upset people if it didn't |
| 17:45.06 | Thunder_Child | if any of you use nvidia and vista they just release new drivers today |
| 17:45.20 | ts|skrom | people are all emo that 2.2 isn't out yet "I want my shoulders back" is a common response |
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| 17:52.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just want voice chat |
| 17:52.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not much else i care for in 2.2 |
| 17:52.42 | ts|skrom | someone posted "Major patch my ass." |
| 17:52.55 | ts|skrom | I couldn't help but think he meant.. Major, patchy my ass! |
| 17:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it is pretty minor from a player standpoint |
| 17:53.06 | ts|skrom | as if the colonel was busy |
| 17:53.37 | ts|skrom | And what's wrong with the guys ass that it needs patching in the first place? |
| 17:53.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe he got shot in the butt-ocks |
| 17:54.13 | cog|work | Woah... they'r.e implementing a mass mail system too |
| 17:54.38 | zenzelezz | interesting o_O |
| 17:54.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and afk reporting |
| 17:55.01 | cog|work | not in 2.2 (re mass mail) |
| 17:55.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah cog|work, i hope it's easily used |
| 17:55.12 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&sid=1&pageNo=3#57 |
| 17:55.15 | ts|skrom | Life is like a virulent prostitue... you never know what you are going to ..... get. |
| 17:55.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love ctmailmod's and would love being able to consolidate it down to a few mails instead of 40+ |
| 17:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and the blessing buff is incredibly nice |
| 17:57.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | not looking forward to the enrage nerf though :[ |
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| 17:57.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | (druid enrage) |
| 17:57.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | not warrior |
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| 18:00.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the violet eye stuff and AQ enchants are nice too |
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| 18:00.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess i'm looking forward to 2.2 but it's not really that big for how long it's taking :[ |
| 18:01.55 | Thunder_Child | if there is just one thing that is holding it back (e.g. voice chat) they should split it off and send it with 2.3 or by itself when done |
| 18:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | Cast sequence macros no longer get stuck at feral druid abilities. |
| 18:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | woohooo |
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| 18:03.37 | cog|work | Big ~= complex |
| 18:03.40 | ts|skrom | Mr_Rabies2 what's the enrage nerf? I just see two buffs |
| 18:03.44 | cog|work | there were lots of architecture changes |
| 18:03.46 | ts|skrom | well, a fix and a buff |
| 18:03.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | no longer puts you in combat |
| 18:03.52 | Guillotine | wait, what? |
| 18:03.53 | cog|work | including a new version of fmod |
| 18:03.53 | ts|skrom | and... that's a problem? |
| 18:04.06 | hurax | hi, does anyone know how to get the quest id from the client if you have it in the log? |
| 18:04.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | can no longer hit it to avoid distract, etc |
| 18:04.23 | cog|work | hurax: that information isn't available to the UI |
| 18:04.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with warriors and blood rage/sap |
| 18:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again they can break sap |
| 18:04.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | with the damage from blood rage |
| 18:04.47 | Guillotine | how is that a nerf? |
| 18:04.51 | Guillotine | and why is this lagging so much o.O |
| 18:04.52 | Guillotine | hurax: can't |
| 18:05.07 | hurax | cog|work: how do the other sites get them then? |
| 18:05.08 | ts|skrom | not that you CAN be sapped in bear |
| 18:05.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | did i say that |
| 18:05.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 18:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Mr_Rabies2> can no longer hit it to avoid distract, etc |
| 18:05.25 | Guillotine | I think maybe I'll just listen. any chat I send lags for about 1.5 mins o.O |
| 18:05.31 | cog|work | hurax: they're not available to the UI in game but they exist in your cache files on your hard drive which those sites use to compile their data |
| 18:05.49 | ts|skrom | well I can't see how that's a nerf and not a fix then. Abusing the rage generation mechanic to avoid something like that seems a bit cheap. |
| 18:05.56 | hurax | ah, that's fine too |
| 18:06.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really mind that much |
| 18:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | not often does distract bother me |
| 18:06.27 | ts|skrom | yeah.. I'm excited about it personally |
| 18:06.35 | cog|work | hurax: in that case, i'm at a loss to help you as I've never done anything with the WDB files. You might try googling around or even looking at some of the database sites themselves |
| 18:06.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that and sap and other "in combat" spells are really the only reason it was changed |
| 18:06.40 | ts|skrom | no accidently shifting into bear then trying to go cat and being stuck out of prowl for 10 secs |
| 18:06.44 | cog|work | i'm sure there's information out there about the WDB format |
| 18:07.30 | ts|skrom | not a big thing but it's painful when you miss the chance at an opener because you couldn't get into prowl fast enough |
| 18:08.03 | hurax | they are binaries |
| 18:08.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i often hit enrage to avoid being sapped in shattered halls :x |
| 18:08.57 | ts|skrom | how does spell haste effect spells like arcane missles? |
| 18:09.11 | hurax | but thanks for the tip... i could just do it the old school cheater's way and use a hex editor ;) |
| 18:09.26 | zenzelezz | it becomes so instant it starts before you even decide to use it |
| 18:09.32 | ts|skrom | ZOMG! |
| 18:09.40 | ts|skrom | "Arcane Missiles: Some procs were not triggered by this spell and now will be (such as Eye of Magtheridon). The tooltip for this spell will now update correctly when a Mage is affected by spell haste." |
| 18:09.43 | cog|work | Cide: ping |
| 18:09.54 | ts|skrom | do the pulses come faster? |
| 18:10.05 | Cide | pong |
| 18:10.14 | cog|work | did you get my botmial? ;) |
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| 18:11.02 | zenzelezz | batmail! |
| 18:11.23 | ts|skrom | na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na batmail! |
| 18:11.24 | Cide | no, I didn't |
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| 18:12.13 | cog|work | hmm.. well anyway, i was wondering if you knew which chipset you have on your motherboard... I remember you saying that you have 32-bit XP and it recognizes all 4gb of ram using PAE... I can't get either of my intel P965 motherboards to do that for me... |
| 18:14.36 | cncfanatics | 4gigs of ram ? crazy |
| 18:14.42 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it |
| 18:14.47 | Codayus | Hm, silly question - is there a way to hide the default buff frame? Or only via an addon? |
| 18:14.48 | cncfanatics | g'old times where 4gig of hdd was considered a LOT |
| 18:14.55 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: doubt what? |
| 18:15.10 | cog|work | 4 gigs or that 4 gigs is crazy? |
| 18:15.27 | Thunder_Child | bios can see all 4gb of ram regardless of the os, but a 32-bit os cannot |
| 18:15.36 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: Learn2PAE |
| 18:15.46 | Thunder_Child | still doesnt work...on vista |
| 18:15.47 | cncfanatics | ~pae |
| 18:15.55 | zenzelezz | Physical Address Extension |
| 18:15.58 | cncfanatics | would prolly work on linux Thunder_Child |
| 18:16.05 | zenzelezz | or somesuch. Pretty common |
| 18:16.06 | cncfanatics | and probably on windows with that pae thing |
| 18:16.11 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: who said anything about Vista? |
| 18:16.28 | Thunder_Child | it's still not a "true" 4gb on xp |
| 18:16.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 18:16.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | daze rebuffed |
| 18:17.02 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: no process will have access to 4gb, I know, but it *is* able to keep more stuff in ram at once |
| 18:17.05 | cncfanatics | cog, sure ur processor supports it ? |
| 18:17.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i still regard as unfair but there's not much you can do other than disable daze in instances if you leave it how it was |
| 18:17.26 | cog|work | cncfanatics: if I remember my previous convo with Cide correctly, we have fairly similar setup |
| 18:17.32 | zenzelezz | even my old Athlon64 supports it |
| 18:17.46 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, not by much, i use a 32-bit os and i have 3.325 gb of ram avaliable |
| 18:17.48 | hurax | cncfanatics: if my mothers was there she would tank about the first computer she worked which had 4 KB of memory ;) |
| 18:18.32 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: i only have 3.0 on one mobo and 3.25 on the other. That's a whole 768-1024MB I'm missing... Almost enough to hold an instance of WoW |
| 18:18.33 | cncfanatics | hurax, my first comp had 128megs of mem |
| 18:18.37 | cncfanatics | about 6 years ago |
| 18:18.42 | hurax | and sometimes at night when she wanted to start a calculation she found that some engineer had borrowed 2 KB of it |
| 18:19.03 | cog|work | Essentially an entire DIMM missing... = not happy |
| 18:20.17 | cog|work | The shittiest part is that if I want all 4 gigs in 64-bit vista, the necessary bios setting makes only 2 gigs available to 32-bit XP |
| 18:20.25 | Lunessa | If we want to talk about old computers, I learned to program on an Altair and an Osborne. |
| 18:20.42 | Cide | cog|work: I can't remember really |
| 18:20.44 | Lunessa | go on... google/wikipedia them. |
| 18:20.53 | Cide | I remember not having it work initially, despite enabling PAE |
| 18:21.04 | Cide | but either it fixed itself or I fucked around enough for it to show up |
| 18:22.10 | cog|work | Cide: if you go to the device manager -> System Devices is your PCI bus Intel ICH8? |
| 18:23.51 | Cide | no.. should it be? :P |
| 18:24.20 | Cide | brb |
| 18:24.41 | cog|work | is it nvidia? |
| 18:24.52 | cog|work | mine's intel ich8 iirc |
| 18:25.09 | cog|work | which is what i'm hoping the problem is because i've got an nvidia mobo on the way |
| 18:25.19 | cog|work | (for another reason) |
| 18:25.37 | ts|skrom | the first PC my family owned had either 4 or 8mb I think |
| 18:26.11 | cog|work | my first pc had I think 256kb and a 384kb expansion card. |
| 18:26.20 | ts|skrom | "Shiny Red Apple: Druids in animal forms can no longer eat this food item." because that 61 hp/18 secs was a HUGE deal |
| 18:26.41 | MoonWolf | UES |
| 18:28.28 | Lunessa | Heh, be glad you've never /had/ to fit a program into less than 4k. |
| 18:29.03 | Lunessa | Or program it by flipping toggle switches. |
| 18:29.28 | zenzelezz | I write my programs to align on the cylinders for max speedd |
| 18:29.29 | ts|skrom | why should I be glad for that? :P that's the kind of experience i'd love to have had |
| 18:29.29 | zenzelezz | -d |
| 18:30.00 | Lunessa | ts|skrom: Go back 25 years of hardware then. :) |
| 18:30.15 | ts|skrom | but then my tiny baby fingers couldn't work the toggles :( |
| 18:31.35 | sag_ich_nicht | woah |
| 18:31.41 | sag_ich_nicht | gutrot is closing in on lvl 70 |
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| 18:32.08 | Lunessa | The professor who taught my first C class wrote some of the original code for the Mercury and Apollo projects at NASA - and he was a stickler about memory and clean code. |
| 18:32.23 | sag_ich_nicht | duh |
| 18:32.38 | sag_ich_nicht | memory corruption=space craft crash~ |
| 18:32.38 | ts|skrom | cool |
| 18:32.49 | Shirik | nah |
| 18:32.57 | Shirik | space craft are the best to go nuts with code on |
| 18:33.01 | Shirik | s/code/memory/ |
| 18:33.12 | Shirik | You’re working with multimillion dollar equipment. You should have enough memory :D |
| 18:33.13 | hurax | ts|skrom |
| 18:33.14 | zenzelezz | don't assume spacecraft coders are top notch |
| 18:33.17 | zenzelezz | remember Ariane 5? |
| 18:33.18 | hurax | i loved that patch |
| 18:33.21 | zenzelezz | or whichever version |
| 18:33.24 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz okay |
| 18:33.25 | sag_ich_nicht | sorry |
| 18:33.27 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Or the mars lander tbh |
| 18:33.30 | sag_ich_nicht | OLD spacecraft. |
| 18:33.34 | Lunessa | It was a hell of a way to learn to understand boundariy conditions. |
| 18:33.38 | zenzelezz | Ariane was more fun |
| 18:33.39 | MatthewS | and feel free to mix up celsius to fahrenheit conversions too |
| 18:33.41 | sag_ich_nicht | the mars lander crashed because of LOL METRIC/IMPERIAL |
| 18:33.57 | zenzelezz | yeah, but that happens to airplanes too |
| 18:33.59 | Elkano | Lunessa, if you keep in mind that todays pocket calculators have more power than Apollo's CPU... ;) |
| 18:34.21 | Lopeppeppy | No, I bet the Mars lander crashed because someone was using their cellphone during flight. :) |
| 18:34.33 | Lunessa | Elkano: Yes, my "crappy" laptop has more computing power than it took to do the entire Apollo program. |
| 18:34.38 | ts|skrom | I thought it was because the little green men shot it down? |
| 18:34.39 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:33] <Shirik> You’re working with multimillion dollar equipment. You should have enough memory :D <--i was talking about memory corruption, you arrogant fool! |
| 18:34.44 | sag_ich_nicht | not memory consumption! |
| 18:34.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~silence ts|skrom |
| 18:34.51 | purl | ACTION shoves an apple in ts|skrom's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 18:34.59 | Shirik | multimillion dollar stuff man |
| 18:35.02 | ts|skrom | whoa irony |
| 18:35.03 | Shirik | should have adequate protections |
| 18:35.06 | ts|skrom | I'm eating an apple right now |
| 18:35.10 | Shirik | Linux has stack smashing protection |
| 18:35.15 | sag_ich_nicht | that's not irony ts|skrom. |
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| 18:35.17 | sag_ich_nicht | that's satire. |
| 18:35.21 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 18:35.22 | ts|skrom | er... yeah coincidince sorry |
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| 18:35.41 | Elkano | I think the main problem is that people who used to code back in that days tend to go with "now there is plenty of power for computations around, no need to be gentle"... |
| 18:35.41 | ts|skrom | your face is satire! |
| 18:35.41 | hurax | and all: found the quest id in the wdb |
| 18:35.48 | cncfanatics | hmm, could anyone give me suggestions on how to build a gui for flexbar ? (a) |
| 18:35.53 | Rallion|Away | I'm getting a mental image of a NASA technician looking around nervously while the screen in front of him displays an error dialog that says "Null Pointer Exception" |
| 18:35.56 | cncfanatics | I mean layout wise, not coding wise |
| 18:35.57 | Rallion|Away | and it is funny. |
| 18:36.12 | ts|skrom | ACE IT! |
| 18:36.14 | ts|skrom | >.> |
| 18:36.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:35] <Elkano> I think the main problem is that people who used to code back in that days tend to go with "now there is plenty of power for computations around, no need to be gentle"... <--indeed |
| 18:36.47 | Rallion|Away | Want to write an addon that greets your guildmates ten seconds after you log in? ACE IT. |
| 18:36.53 | sag_ich_nicht | and that's not a problem, Elkano |
| 18:37.18 | Rallion|Away | It is a problem now that computers do multiple tasks at once. |
| 18:37.20 | sag_ich_nicht | if you code like they coded back then, but using the technology(software and hardware wise) upgrades, you could do a LOT more than we do atm. |
| 18:37.26 | Shirik | Elkano: Honestly, I hate that philosophy |
| 18:37.37 | Shirik | (p.s. everything I’ve been saying is entirely sarcastic) |
| 18:37.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ~mel |
| 18:37.43 | purl | mel is, like, a Real Programmer. http://www.clueless.com/jargon3.0.0/The_Story_of_Mel,_a_Real_Programmer.html |
| 18:37.54 | Shirik | Elkano: One thing I hate is people who overuse memory with the argument “There’s so much memory it’s cheap” |
| 18:38.01 | sag_ich_nicht | read that |
| 18:38.03 | sag_ich_nicht | you fools! |
| 18:38.06 | Shirik | that’s not an excuse to be careless (neither is a GC) |
| 18:38.24 | Lunessa | Yeah, but remember that the Y2K issue with dates was a 'memory-saving solution' |
| 18:38.29 | ts|skrom | I don't know.. the gamecube was pretty careless to begin with |
| 18:38.30 | hurax | sag_ich_nicht: sag ich auch :) |
| 18:38.36 | Shirik | Lunessa: There was no Y2K issue :P |
| 18:38.39 | Shirik | It was all made up |
| 18:38.52 | Shirik | Man, I still remember my high school |
| 18:38.53 | sag_ich_nicht | you really think you're the first to make that joke, hurax |
| 18:39.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa |
| 18:39.05 | Shirik | with all the “Y2K Pass” stckers on them |
| 18:39.06 | sag_ich_nicht | that'd be #conspiracy |
| 18:39.09 | Shirik | and I was like “What the hell” |
| 18:39.17 | Industrial | Cairenn: ping |
| 18:40.36 | zenzelezz | I have; I even made a vague reference to it a while ago |
| 18:40.41 | Shirik | 14(1411:3511:1814) 14(1115Rallion|Away14) Want to write an addon that greets your guildmates ten seconds after you log in? ACE IT. |
| 18:40.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | I like The Lorax much better. |
| 18:40.54 | ts|skrom | "Saber Lash tanks will no longer be knocked back by Sinister Beam or hit by Fatal Attraction, even if they dodge or parry the attack." They really should have called it Sinistar Beam instead. |
| 18:41.20 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 18:41.25 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL ts|skrom |
| 18:42.09 | Shirik | so how does one attain a challenger rating anyway? |
| 18:42.20 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 18:42.25 | sag_ich_nicht | 1900k rating, i think |
| 18:42.33 | sag_ich_nicht | or top 200 |
| 18:42.34 | sag_ich_nicht | or something |
| 18:42.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno anymore |
| 18:47.22 | Shirik | rofl |
| 18:47.23 | Shirik | so true |
| 18:57.27 | Gnancy | ts|skrom: Run Coward! |
| 18:58.00 | Gnancy | great now that voice is in my head ts|skrom |
| 18:59.14 | Shirik | yey |
| 18:59.18 | Shirik | my first piece of arena gear |
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| 19:03.30 | Industrial | dolby-wowi: ping |
| 19:05.03 | foxlit|mac | self-promotion time again |
| 19:05.10 | foxlit|mac | http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php |
| 19:05.45 | foxlit|mac | Throw a BLP file at it and get a PNG back (bonus points for finding a valid BLP it does not parse properly). |
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| 19:07.50 | clad|away | ~blp2png |
| 19:07.51 | Thunder_Child | does it go the other way? |
| 19:08.07 | foxlit|mac | no, use tgas for now |
| 19:08.18 | clad|away | purl, blp2png is http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php, a simple blp to png conversion script. Bonus points for finding a valid BLP it won't parse! |
| 19:08.19 | purl | okay, clad|away |
| 19:08.32 | clad|away | no purl, blp2png is http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php, a simple blp to png conversion script. Bonus points for finding a valid BLP it won't parse! Thanks to foxlit for the great script! |
| 19:08.36 | clad|away | nub |
| 19:09.55 | clad|away | no purl, blp2png is http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php, a simple blp to png conversion script. Bonus points for finding a valid BLP it won't parse! Thanks to foxlit for the great script! |
| 19:10.05 | clad|away | purl, no, blp2png is http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php, a simple blp to png conversion script. Bonus points for finding a valid BLP it won't parse! Thanks to foxlit for the great script! |
| 19:10.05 | purl | clad|away: okay |
| 19:10.07 | clad|away | i'm a nubcake today. |
| 19:10.28 | Thunder_Child | foxlit|mac, i dont know if you can do it through the browser but what about limiting the upload to .blp only |
| 19:10.45 | foxlit|mac | Requires UA cooperation |
| 19:12.12 | foxlit|mac | I'm not sure that's part of HTML, anyway |
| 19:13.59 | foxlit|mac | I think there's some sort of sane, PHP-enforced limit on the file size of your upload (even if your UA allows you to ignore the HTML-embedded limit), and it doesn't save files it can't convert. |
| 19:15.22 | Shirik | =( |
| 19:15.25 | Shirik | You wrote “Valid BLP” |
| 19:15.44 | Thunder_Child | it wont convert a blp i found online |
| 19:15.53 | Shirik | owned. |
| 19:16.31 | Thunder_Child | i assume this is any blp format and not just wow blp? |
| 19:17.08 | Shirik | !ar 520 |
| 19:17.08 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 520 points is, 2v2: 1787, 3v3: 1720, 5v5: 1622 |
| 19:17.34 | Thunder_Child | foxlit|mac? |
| 19:17.54 | foxlit|mac | link BLP, Thunder_Child :) |
| 19:17.58 | Thunder_Child | http://infoceptor.net/custom/warcraft3/skin/DemonicBloodMage.zip |
| 19:17.59 | Shirik | !ar 593 |
| 19:17.59 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 593 points is, 2v2: 1864, 3v3: 1786, 5v5: 1678 |
| 19:18.36 | Cidan | WOOHOO |
| 19:18.40 | Shirik | do you have to play 10 matches to get the points? |
| 19:18.43 | Shirik | or just exceed 30%? |
| 19:18.45 | Thunder_Child | does that mean i get bonus points? |
| 19:18.49 | Shirik | Dude I had my crisis beta key last night |
| 19:18.50 | Shirik | noob |
| 19:18.51 | Thunder_Child | gratz Cidan |
| 19:18.59 | Thunder_Child | we should get our own server going |
| 19:19.01 | Shirik | crysis* |
| 19:19.02 | Shirik | whatever |
| 19:19.03 | foxlit|mac | Thunder_Child: almost. It's BLP1 :) |
| 19:19.21 | Thunder_Child | and that means? |
| 19:19.30 | Shirik | means you nubbed it up |
| 19:20.02 | foxlit|mac | Means I had none of those to play with, and assert that it isn't one of those in the first few checks :) |
| 19:20.07 | foxlit|mac | WC3 stuff. |
| 19:20.18 | foxlit|mac | But it's great that you found one, I can probably adjust to deal with it |
| 19:20.31 | Thunder_Child | there are lots online |
| 19:21.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, how well does your system handle it? |
| 19:21.41 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:21.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:21.48 | Shirik | haven’t logged in |
| 19:21.56 | Thunder_Child | ~bzfrag Shirik |
| 19:21.57 | purl | ACTION skewers Shirik with a super bullet |
| 19:22.03 | Shirik | ~whaleparry Thunder_Child |
| 19:22.04 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Thunder_Child's attacks. |
| 19:22.35 | Thunder_Child | does anyone else get an endless loop @ http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/7377/ ? |
| 19:22.40 | Kaydeethree | bah, forum maint |
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| 19:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol what timing |
| 19:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | At least 10 relams just died |
| 19:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap more than that |
| 19:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
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| 19:24.21 | Kaydeethree | geez... a few server farms must've just crashed |
| 19:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd bet that the maint. that you're seeing is a nice way of saying "all of our database servers just crashed" |
| 19:26.46 | foxlit|mac | I wonder why there isn't a .blp->.sane converter included in the addon kit, though |
| 19:27.11 | Kaydeethree | wow, what a rollback |
| 19:27.17 | Kaydeethree | at least a few hours of posts just went poof |
| 19:27.57 | Kaydeethree | or firefox is just being stupid. /restarts |
| 19:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 19:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still getting maint. |
| 19:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. Random line from another IRC channel (off network) of mine. " |
| 19:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | <]> i dont like that cogwheel douchebag on the ui/macro forum" |
| 19:32.49 | Kaydeethree | ahaha |
| 19:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Me: Did you not read the stickies? :P |
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| 19:33.46 | cog|work | hehe |
| 19:34.22 | JoshBorke | rofl |
| 19:34.26 | Thunder_Child | lol, microsoft has their own wine label http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wine/microsoft-blue-monster-wine-301072.php |
| 19:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | This was apparently about auction house data.. ? Or something? |
| 19:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That ring a bell, cog? |
| 19:35.20 | foxlit|mac | pwetty |
| 19:36.01 | cog|work | yeah. He said something like "how long will it take to get the auction data? I hate having to wait 10 minutes for the scanning." I proceeded to tell him that the scanning only takes so long because the requests are throttled not because of the amount of data that has to be transferred |
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| 19:36.24 | foxlit|mac | work faster, nub! |
| 19:36.27 | JoshBorke | ~lart cog|work |
| 19:36.27 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down cog|work's throat until cog|work puts on 150lbs |
| 19:36.31 | cog|work | but since he wasn't being answered with "how long will it take" he got his panties in a bunch |
| 19:36.37 | JoshBorke | for the guy on teh other server :-P |
| 19:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds like him |
| 19:37.05 | cog|work | and then slouken deleted the whole conversation because it was in the upcoming changes thread :P |
| 19:38.32 | cog|work | But yeah... because he spent about 2/3 of his post talking about how long it currently takes, I figured that was his main concern... |
| 19:38.45 | cog|work | I think any third party would've thought HE was the one being the douchebag :P |
| 19:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/74034 |
| 19:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Complete (relevalt) convo |
| 19:39.36 | cog|work | wow... what a piss head... |
| 19:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yes |
| 19:39.54 | cog|work | I was just trying to alleviate his fears |
| 19:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What were his 'fears'? |
| 19:40.38 | JoshBorke | you should have just said: less time than it does now. either way, go get a coffee or masturbate and the time will fly |
| 19:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Also seE: http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 19:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | s/E/e/ |
| 19:41.35 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: like i said, his initial post was predicated on the fact that it currently takes 10mins+ to do an auction scan |
| 19:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 19:41.55 | cog|work | IMO, the actual answer to "how long will it take" is essentially irrelevant |
| 19:42.14 | Kaydeethree | waitasec... aren't those the realms that went down for maint this morning and are getting voip first next week? |
| 19:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read the 2.3 changes thread |
| 19:42.22 | cog|work | I explained the reason it took so long is because of the request throttling not because of the data transfer |
| 19:42.37 | foxlit|mac | either limit to interesting items via some clever query forming, or quit whining about it, really :) |
| 19:42.45 | cog|work | and i figured he'd have the logical capacity to induce something from that |
| 19:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, a lot of them are similar, but additional realms are down |
| 19:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778037789&sid=1 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602361123&sid=1 |
| 19:42.57 | Kaydeethree | hm... |
| 19:43.16 | foxlit|mac | new top bar? |
| 19:43.28 | Kaydeethree | lots of QQing has ensued |
| 19:43.49 | Kaydeethree | I <3 stylish.. a few lines of CSS and it goes to /dev/null with most of the rest of the markup |
| 19:43.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work, the thing is, he's a programmer all around, lol... so you think he'd piece it together |
| 19:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Initially I thought it was because of the AutoTOC poster program or whatever |
| 19:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see him getting annoyed over a copy+paste of links to stickies ;) |
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| 19:46.39 | cog|work | I've found that reasoning skills are far less important for programming as one might initially assume :P |
| 19:47.05 | cog|work | s/as/than/ |
| 19:47.29 | Valaron|Work | Hee |
| 19:47.34 | Valaron|Work | Nice substitution. |
| 19:48.06 | ts|skrom | haha |
| 19:48.22 | ts|skrom | cogwheel has a lithp |
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| 20:12.43 | cladhaire | what are the ways you can gate in the world (not instances).. warlock summoning, hearthstone, unstuck and what else? |
| 20:12.56 | cladhaire | and more importantly, what events fire when they happen.. do you get a P_E_W either way? |
| 20:13.06 | JoshBorke | death |
| 20:13.12 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys will wow run on a amd64 procesor ? i dont know much about 32 or 64 bit systems but i think wow is 32bit apilacation |
| 20:13.16 | cladhaire | k k |
| 20:13.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | cladhaire mage portal , and teleprot spellls |
| 20:13.30 | cladhaire | okay |
| 20:13.38 | cladhaire | anyone know if P_E_W fires for them regularly? |
| 20:13.40 | JoshBorke | also c'thun portals you |
| 20:13.45 | JoshBorke | nope, don't know |
| 20:13.57 | Lunessa | cladhaire: There are also a few quests that include a teleport |
| 20:14.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | i know one that is fired |
| 20:14.04 | JoshBorke | OOO! |
| 20:14.09 | JoshBorke | the one in feralas |
| 20:14.13 | cladhaire | hrm good point |
| 20:14.17 | ts|skrom | P_E_W prolly only fires if you switch continents, no? |
| 20:14.31 | cladhaire | yeah i just need some way to know that the player's been moved by some teleport-like action |
| 20:14.31 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: winterspring for the Ony person |
| 20:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought it did that when zoning in instances too |
| 20:15.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | "UPDATE_INSTANCE_INFO" ,- i know its weird but it seems to fire everytime lol |
| 20:15.09 | ts|skrom | ScytheBlade1 That's still kind of a "continent" switch. YOu are moving from the continent 'server' to the instance 'server' iirc |
| 20:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ts|skrom, right. Just clarifying. |
| 20:15.29 | cladhaire | isn't there one in azshara too? |
| 20:15.30 | ts|skrom | right-o |
| 20:15.36 | cladhaire | that ports you up? |
| 20:15.38 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 20:15.39 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 20:15.46 | cladhaire | anyone know what NPC |
| 20:15.51 | ts|skrom | cladhaire compare x,y if change > z you were ported zomg? |
| 20:15.54 | JoshBorke | no |
| 20:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Take the road into Azshara |
| 20:16.00 | Lunessa | The blood elf behind the horde flight point. |
| 20:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Once it branches off for the second time, keep heading north, off the path, until you hit a cliff |
| 20:16.20 | cladhaire | ts|skrom: that's a poll.. i'd rather have an event |
| 20:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Then head west a few hundred steps |
| 20:16.26 | ts|skrom | roger |
| 20:16.49 | |Jelly| | <3 having to download 10 ~2.5mb patches. |
| 20:17.02 | Kaydeethree | 14, actually |
| 20:17.02 | ts|skrom | What for |Jelly|? |
| 20:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=16 <-- Ag'tor Bloodfist, 22,51 |
| 20:17.12 | |Jelly| | KD3 knows. |
| 20:17.28 | Thunder_Child | because combining them is soooooooooooo hard right? |
| 20:17.31 | |Jelly| | Stupid PTR and my stupid self wanting to know exactly what's gonna be broke. |
| 20:17.38 | Kaydeethree | they've gotta test the patcher/downloader somehow |
| 20:18.00 | |Jelly| | I've gotten REALLY good at typing my password though. |
| 20:18.16 | Kaydeethree | if you installed it properly, try starting the Launcher instead. it'll check for PTR updates too |
| 20:18.38 | |Jelly| | Installed? |
| 20:18.48 | |Jelly| | I haven't installed WoW since I originally installed it. |
| 20:18.51 | Kaydeethree | the PTR |
| 20:19.28 | Thunder_Child | i wouldnt mind having http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/hot-tub-with-61+inch-hdtv-built-in-301093.php |
| 20:19.32 | |Jelly| | i'm on 7229-7350. My process is working out for me thus far. :P |
| 20:20.01 | |Jelly| | That's where I would raid from. |
| 20:20.26 | Thunder_Child | floating keyboard/mouse combo |
| 20:20.32 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 20:20.39 | ts|skrom | Thunder_Child SWEET |
| 20:21.04 | |Jelly| | "and will instantly kill you in a few years when the wiring on the TV gets worn down" <-- lewl |
| 20:21.07 | Thunder_Child | it would be really cool if you could time the jest with attacks on your charicters |
| 20:21.13 | Thunder_Child | jets* |
| 20:21.36 | Thunder_Child | so you get hit and a jet spurts at you |
| 20:22.07 | foxlit|mac | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/994a/ |
| 20:22.13 | foxlit|mac | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/98d3/ |
| 20:22.26 | ts|skrom | PTR Players answer przkthx: Can you join multiple voice enabled private channels and have a seperate PTT key for each? |
| 20:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to my knowledge |
| 20:24.44 | ts|skrom | Can you even be in multiple? Say your party and a private channel? |
| 20:24.46 | Kaydeethree | there's only one PTT key |
| 20:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried to figure that out when voice chat went live on the PTR, and couldn't |
| 20:25.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Thunder_Child, enjoy CS:S :P |
| 20:25.02 | ts|skrom | Would be awkward to bitch about your groupmates in your guild's private chat at that point ;-/ |
| 20:25.03 | Thunder_Child | and this is why vent/TS will never go out of style |
| 20:25.16 | Thunder_Child | heh, ty Kirkburn|afk |
| 20:26.20 | ts|skrom | I imagine that multiple ptt keys is something they could add easily in the future |
| 20:26.51 | ts|skrom | there's bound to be a demand for it once the voice chat goes live I'd wager. |
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| 20:30.40 | Thunder_Child | that means multiple threaded channels...huge bandwidth |
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| 20:32.53 | cladhaire | well thats unfortunate |
| 20:33.00 | cladhaire | the quest teleport fires no events. |
| 20:33.57 | Rallion|Away | I have reached a new level of sophistication in web browsing. |
| 20:34.07 | Rallion | I require tabs for my tabs. |
| 20:34.13 | ts|skrom | Oh |
| 20:34.20 | ts|skrom | I thought you were talking about "classy porn" or something |
| 20:34.38 | |Jelly| | Define. |
| 20:35.15 | ts|skrom | In stead of saying "yes! yes! yes!" she says "oui! oui! oui!" |
| 20:36.10 | |Jelly| | Hmm. |
| 20:36.15 | Valaron|Work | Hrmm |
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| 20:42.05 | ts|skrom | This quote from the forums is full of win: Sure, it's your $14.95 a month to play as you want, but in a group it's our $59.80 and we think you're retarded. |
| 20:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
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| 21:06.57 | ts|skrom | Question: I guess you can't ride a flying mount in azeroth even if you are on the ground? |
| 21:07.02 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 21:08.46 | ts|skrom | alright, later folks. |
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| 21:20.05 | |Jelly| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128297011302345000andatswheni.jpg lewl |
| 21:20.22 | Kaydeethree | getting ready for tomorrow... http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j136/tripping_contact/1151543979.swf |
| 21:20.23 | Rallion | yeah, that pic is win |
| 21:21.14 | Rallion | oh, silly songs from shows for young children. |
| 21:21.54 | Industrial | lazytown \o/ |
| 21:21.56 | Industrial | anyway |
| 21:22.05 | Industrial | wheres the things like globals for moeny color documented |
| 21:22.11 | Industrial | money, even |
| 21:22.58 | |Jelly| | Peppy for tomorrow imo: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/arrr.jpg |
| 21:23.50 | Industrial | whats tomorrow? |
| 21:23.51 | Industrial | :s |
| 21:23.57 | Kaydeethree | talk like a pirate day |
| 21:24.01 | Industrial | again? |
| 21:24.33 | cog|away | if by "again" you mean "like last year" then yes :P |
| 21:26.15 | Industrial | that was a year ago :O? |
| 21:26.47 | Kaydeethree | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_like_a_pirate |
| 21:28.45 | Thunder_Child | why sep 19th? |
| 21:29.06 | Kaydeethree | it's in the wikipedia article |
| 21:33.53 | cladhaire | jesus christ |
| 21:33.57 | cladhaire | spriest + mage |
| 21:33.59 | cladhaire | destruction |
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| 21:37.06 | nevcairiel | man finally archimonde down |
| 21:37.14 | cladhaire | gz man |
| 21:37.21 | |Jelly| | Grats. |
| 21:37.29 | nevcairiel | i hate those eredar bosses =P |
| 21:37.41 | zenzelezz | so I get two e-mails from "Bank of America" on my Gmail account... one in Inbox, one in Spam. Nice filtering |
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| 21:38.37 | zenzelezz | "Bank of America <verif@hotmail.com>"... if you fall for that you deserve it |
| 21:38.48 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 21:39.02 | Kalroth | haha |
| 21:42.19 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion granahill |
| 21:42.21 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Granahill, Level 48 Undead Mage (0/0/39). 2482 HP; 3966 Mana; 132 mana regen; 10 mp5; 21 +spell dmg/heal; 9 frost dmg (30); 4.62% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 384 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2d2vqk ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38clvj ][ Updated: Tue Sep 18 17:55:53 2007 EST ]] |
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| 21:45.08 | bleetyarrrr | yarrrrrr |
| 21:46.07 | Lunessa | http://www.bash.org/?805000 |
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| 21:48.01 | foxlit|mac | Hm, so close and yet so far |
| 21:48.25 | foxlit|mac | If A is a matrix such that A^2 = 0, prove that det(A+I) =/= 0 |
| 21:49.02 | zenzelezz | answer them with "Is it really so hard to believe?" |
| 21:49.06 | Lunessa | http://www.bash.org/?803557 |
| 21:49.11 | bleetyarrrr | Cide: oO 2.3 mailboxchanges ftw! ;) |
| 21:49.27 | bleetyarrrr | s/ftw/for a bottle of rum!/ |
| 21:49.29 | amro | game retailers should put pictures of jack thompson's son in their stores so all their employees can refuse to sell him stuff |
| 21:49.39 | Kaydeethree | qft |
| 21:51.04 | foxlit|mac | http://www.bash.org/?622562 |
| 21:51.04 | Lunessa | Reading bash.org at work is like mainlining laughter for the demented. |
| 21:51.30 | foxlit|mac | You can somewhat lazily get to (A+I)^2 = 2A + I |
| 21:51.32 | Kalroth | Anyone using the advanced auctioneer thingy? (No, I'm not going to bug norgy :P) |
| 21:51.47 | Esamynn | let's see if anyone else's memory is better than mine, if I call frame:Hide() the OnHide scripts of frame's children are going to run before the OnHide script of frame right? |
| 21:51.49 | foxlit|mac | Then you'd have to prove det(2A+I) =/= 0, which is still bad |
| 21:51.50 | Lunessa | I have been using it for 3-4 days |
| 21:52.05 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Is there a way to kill the text output it does when it's done scanning? |
| 21:52.10 | Kalroth | I couldn't find an option for it |
| 21:52.21 | Lunessa | Kalroth, I don't know. I haven't looked for it yet. |
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| 21:53.58 | Lunessa | I'm still fiddling with it. Lots of new options and widgets. Appraiser is pretty sweet though. |
| 21:56.27 | bleetyarrrr | I been usin' it for, yarrr, 'bout six months, when I've been in port and wanting to sell some of me pirate's booty. |
| 21:57.34 | bleetyarrrr | and fer those who be missin' this mornin' 2.3 UI change, they're gunna be lettin' us query the entire AH DB every 15 mins in one hit - that be meaning that the complete AH scan thing will be goin' the way of the dodo! YIPPEE /jig |
| 22:00.23 | foxlit|mac | That's awesome |
| 22:00.42 | foxlit|mac | Hopefully that'll reduce the barrier to entry in the AH speculation game drastically (who wants to wait 15 minutes?) |
| 22:00.58 | foxlit|mac | Which will push the prices down, which will enable me to get stuff for less |
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| 22:02.57 | amro | bleetyarrrr: did you try burning sea? |
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| 22:07.11 | bleetyarrrr | amro: as far as I know, it don't be workin' under Wine.. or with me bottle of rum! |
| 22:07.23 | cog|away | http://www.physorg.com/news109322080.html |
| 22:10.34 | amro | damned windows and its "must reboot" crap |
| 22:11.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:12.07 | zenzelezz | at least that one said CD |
| 22:12.23 | zenzelezz | some message (maybe just in the Norwegian version) spoke of the "floppy" |
| 22:12.42 | cog|away | Kaydeethree: I always just copied the cab files to the HD and installed from there :P |
| 22:12.53 | Shirik | cog|away: That’s ... interesting |
| 22:13.13 | Kaydeethree | floppies... hrm. I wonder if I've got my old win3.1 5-1/4" floppies lying around somewhere |
| 22:13.22 | Shirik | I do! |
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| 22:13.24 | cog|away | Shirik: and it worked too :P |
| 22:13.37 | zenzelezz | we got our first PC when Win95 was just being released... it came on 13 floppies |
| 22:13.38 | Shirik | Along with my 486 that ran my awesome “3.11” |
| 22:13.39 | cog|away | was only about 175mb iirc |
| 22:13.53 | Shirik | cog|away: That was at the article |
| 22:14.03 | cog|away | ah |
| 22:14.05 | cog|away | yeah... |
| 22:14.26 | Kaydeethree | thank the gods for Myst's popularity spurring CD-ROM purchases for everyone |
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| 22:14.50 | art3mis | hehe i remember installing chicago on my 386dx40 to see what the fus was |
| 22:14.58 | cog|away | You don't think all the annoyances of floppies played a part? :P |
| 22:14.59 | Elyssah | howdy |
| 22:15.04 | cog|away | hihi :) |
| 22:15.12 | Shirik | I still have my carmen sandiego floppies too |
| 22:15.42 | Rallion | there were like 8 versions of that game |
| 22:15.42 | Shirik | and some broderbund programs that had a “application” disk and a “data” disk |
| 22:15.45 | art3mis | and then a couple of years later having an A set a D set and an N set to install slackware ;P |
| 22:16.10 | Rallion | I remember that X-Wing was like 7 disks |
| 22:16.31 | Elyssah | was hoping i could find someone willing to help me. i'm trying to make a calendar addon, like group calendar, but not. |
| 22:16.37 | Rallion | 7 disks of AWESOME. |
| 22:16.56 | amro | I think I tricked the installer into thinking I rebooted |
| 22:17.30 | amro | actually I just noticed something really weird about installshield |
| 22:17.43 | Elyssah | barring that, be pointed in a direction where i can learn it on my own |
| 22:18.22 | amro | i left the installer up and started up another installshield installer. the second installer then stopped, and the first spawned another installer continuing as if I had restarted. after that one finished, installer #2 picks up again |
| 22:18.38 | zenzelezz | Elyssah: do you want it to work only for the player or to share data with others? |
| 22:19.00 | Elyssah | i want it to shared with my guildmates |
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| 22:19.05 | amro | both of them are still asking me to reboot, so I might as well... |
| 22:19.08 | art3mis | yer so sneaky amro |
| 22:19.20 | zenzelezz | Elyssah: have you done any addon coding before? |
| 22:19.43 | Elyssah | -,- no.. |
| 22:20.01 | cog|away | Elyssah: might be a bit too ambitious then |
| 22:20.03 | zenzelezz | Elyssah: that's a bit of an ambitious project for a starter |
| 22:20.07 | zenzelezz | DAMNIT COGWHEEL |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:20.25 | zenzelezz | I do all the groundwork and you steal the punch |
| 22:20.25 | Elyssah | i realize that, but i'm willing to put a lot of time in to it |
| 22:20.31 | art3mis | heh |
| 22:20.45 | cog|notaway | Elyssah: have you considered modifying one of the existing ones? |
| 22:20.45 | Elyssah | i just need a sensei |
| 22:20.54 | Elyssah | isn't that sort of cheating? |
| 22:21.05 | Elyssah | taking credit for something i didn't do? |
| 22:21.10 | Shirik | that’s the trick |
| 22:21.11 | zenzelezz | we do all the time |
| 22:21.15 | Shirik | no we don’t! |
| 22:21.19 | Shirik | We credit people where it’s due |
| 22:21.27 | Shirik | but that doesn’t mean you don’t use someone else’s code |
| 22:21.33 | Shirik | Hell I just took something from Iriel two days ago |
| 22:21.34 | cog|work | Elyssah: The author of Group Calendar and Outfitter came out a while back saying he was quitting |
| 22:21.41 | art3mis | shirik loves to help people, perhaps you should read up more about lua in general via PiL and the LUA wiki, then check various addons that do sorta what you want, then comeback and message Shirik ;) |
| 22:21.47 | Kaydeethree | just say "this is Elyssah-Addon-1.0, based on code in FooAddon-4" |
| 22:21.48 | Shirik | but right at the top is |
| 22:21.49 | Shirik | -- Following code is courtesy of Iriel (modified for our purposes), master of addons and MVP |
| 22:21.50 | Shirik | -- of UI/Macros forum on US WoW forums. Thanks! |
| 22:21.53 | cog|work | so i'm fairly certain that as long as you give credit where credit is due, you can mod it up to your heart's content |
| 22:22.40 | bleetyarrrr | afaik, GC's been taken up by another group already, and they're giving credit, with a chest full a' booty. |
| 22:22.41 | zenzelezz | Elyssah: *if* you decide to make it from the ground up, don't try to put it all together at once. Start maybe with some of the visual elements, basic functionality, then expand |
| 22:22.46 | Elyssah | but.. if i don't do it myself, won't i have trouble modifying it when the expansion comes out? |
| 22:22.55 | Kaydeethree | that's a long ways away |
| 22:23.00 | Kaydeethree | don't worry about it yet |
| 22:23.05 | Elyssah | well.. i have the frame all set, with a nice close button, and a mini map button, and the like |
| 22:23.32 | Elyssah | but i just don't know how to make it show the dates in such a lay out that changes each month |
| 22:23.52 | cog|work | Elyssah: even with all the changes in 2.0, many addons (pretty much anything not related to combat) were able to be carried over with only minor changes to some of the 5.1 Lua constructs |
| 22:24.15 | Elyssah | and there are a lot of xml files in the addon, i'm not sure where to look to figure it out |
| 22:24.17 | cog|work | And you can always look at existing code for examples to get the overall logic |
| 22:24.21 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 22:24.29 | cog|work | i'm sure it's not in the XML anyway |
| 22:24.34 | cog|work | it would be in the Lua code |
| 22:24.52 | Elyssah | but to be visable, wouldn't it have to have a tie to the xml? |
| 22:24.56 | cog|work | it's all the same window, you just hide or show days in the first and last weeks and change all the numbers |
| 22:25.23 | Elyssah | i see |
| 22:26.05 | cog|work | :) |
| 22:26.19 | zenzelezz | Wine Gold, is that champagne? |
| 22:26.24 | cog|work | 2.2's coming in the next week or 2 :P |
| 22:26.37 | Kaydeethree | probably the 25th |
| 22:26.47 | Kaydeethree | as long as 7272 stays stable |
| 22:26.47 | cog|work | that's my guess |
| 22:26.50 | bleetyarrrr | cog|work: aye, I already be changed the 2.2 entry to be specific for PTR builds |
| 22:26.59 | Elyssah | so... why does group calendar have so many xml and lua files? |
| 22:27.06 | bleetyarrrr | cog|work: I'll create a seperate AppDB entry for 2.2 live, when we get there :) |
| 22:27.42 | cog|work | Elyssah: because it has a LOT of functionality and a lot of different UI elements. It's usually a good idea to separate them out into multiple files to keep related functions and UI elements grouped together |
| 22:28.19 | Elyssah | so... the calendar part of my addon should have a seperate xml file than the roster part i plan? |
| 22:28.43 | cog|work | "should" is a bit subjective... more like "that's what I'd do because it makes sense to me" :P |
| 22:28.47 | zenzelezz | if you wish, think of the XML/Lua files as furniture. It all belongs in your house, but you don't want it all in one room or it gets cluttered |
| 22:29.04 | Elyssah | i see |
| 22:29.26 | Elyssah | being a coding newb, i'll take any advice i can get cog |
| 22:29.27 | Valaron|Work | Putting all your eggs into one basket makes it hard to find later |
| 22:30.08 | Shirik | hells no |
| 22:30.09 | Kaydeethree | zomg ace rdx! |
| 22:30.17 | cog|work | man... the closer we get to finishing the book the more I wish it was finished... |
| 22:30.23 | art3mis | lzh rdx! |
| 22:30.27 | Elyssah | book? |
| 22:30.31 | art3mis | its got gooder compression! |
| 22:30.40 | zenzelezz | uharc plz |
| 22:30.48 | cog|work | http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470229810/ref=sr_1_1/002-0648538-6136837?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189721634&sr=8-1 |
| 22:31.06 | Elyssah | omg... |
| 22:31.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.06 | Elyssah | ;_; i want |
| 22:32.14 | Kaydeethree | ooh, that reminds me. wonder if any more MD leaks are out? |
| 22:32.17 | cog|work | art3mis: they said we'll probably have an e version |
| 22:32.30 | art3mis | will said version be free? |
| 22:32.33 | art3mis | heh |
| 22:32.35 | cog|work | no |
| 22:32.47 | dreamss2 | lol LUA manual for 30bucks? |
| 22:32.48 | art3mis | whos the other person? |
| 22:32.51 | Elyssah | but... that's not until february |
| 22:32.52 | dreamss2 | thank god for pdf |
| 22:33.01 | art3mis | you clad and ??? |
| 22:33.04 | bleetyarrrr | quite disgusting |
| 22:33.11 | Elyssah | i need that book now |
| 22:33.11 | bleetyarrrr | couple of regulars in here writing a book for us |
| 22:33.18 | cog|work | Kaelten: |
| 22:33.23 | cog|work | minus : |
| 22:33.27 | art3mis | ahh |
| 22:33.28 | bleetyarrrr | and all folks do is talk about how the authors ain't gunna be paid for it |
| 22:33.28 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:33.29 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 22:33.33 | bleetyarrrr | TO THE PLANK WITH YE ALL! |
| 22:33.44 | art3mis | thats kind of groovy though |
| 22:33.45 | Elyssah | too far away |
| 22:33.52 | Elyssah | i'll have given up or figured it out by then |
| 22:33.52 | art3mis | hope it does well for ya |
| 22:33.56 | cog|work | Elyssah: hence my original comment :P |
| 22:33.57 | cladhaire | well we're writing it today |
| 22:34.02 | cladhaire | its 2/3 done :P |
| 22:34.05 | cladhaire | but that doesn't help you now |
| 22:34.08 | Elyssah | right |
| 22:34.12 | dreamss2 | yeah some moron is gonna pay 40bucks for shit u can get free? |
| 22:34.13 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 22:34.25 | art3mis | and just think youll be able to put out new revisions! |
| 22:34.44 | art3mis | make em in smaller "addon" modules |
| 22:34.45 | bleetyarrrr | I'd be claimin' that talkin' about pirated versions of the book, although meeting with my mindset today, is akin to talking about using private servers and deserves a warning then a kick |
| 22:34.54 | Kaydeethree | wow... heaven't heard this in a while |
| 22:35.04 | art3mis | so 2.3 2.4 etdc are stand alone but wont make much sense without the main book ;) |
| 22:35.10 | Elyssah | bleh... |
| 22:35.15 | Elyssah | so.. question |
| 22:35.15 | dreamss2 | bleetyarrrr, ill have the pdf mirroed b4 it hits stores |
| 22:35.18 | dreamss2 | watch me |
| 22:35.19 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 22:35.38 | Antiarc | Anyone here use a non-enUS client? |
| 22:35.41 | cog|work | dreamss2: gtfo imo |
| 22:35.48 | bleetyarrrr | cog|work++ |
| 22:35.53 | zenzelezz | Antiarc: enGB |
| 22:36.02 | cog|work | dreamss2: notice that one of the authors of said book has +o |
| 22:36.03 | Elyssah | i'm using tabs for overlapping frames, if i'm using seperate files for each "tab" section of my addon, how does it know? |
| 22:36.15 | dreamss2 | cog, are u cerial making profit on a LUA howto? |
| 22:36.30 | cog|work | dreamss2: it's not a Lua howto |
| 22:36.37 | cog|work | it's a complete guide for creating WoW addons |
| 22:36.45 | dreamss2 | fucking 40bucks? |
| 22:36.46 | dreamss2 | LOL |
| 22:36.58 | cog|work | 800 fucking pages |
| 22:36.58 | dreamss2 | yeah ok |
| 22:37.11 | art3mis | cog|work: does the first page have "links" to curse wowi and ui with the note, chance are nothing you think up hasnt been made ye so check there first? |
| 22:37.14 | cog|work | only about the first 20% is about Lua |
| 22:37.19 | zenzelezz | taking bets on which C will have the honor |
| 22:37.22 | art3mis | ;) |
| 22:37.29 | bleetyarrrr | dreamss2: you wouldn't go on the wow forums and talk about using private servers, don't come here talking about pirating books that senior UI authors are writing for our collective benefit and for which their efforts deserve financial reward. |
| 22:37.45 | dreamss2 | i dint even wanna bother coding LUA for wow, pay 40bucks for something that is found free on the net is fucking waste of money |
| 22:37.58 | bleetyarrrr | you're a waste of space |
| 22:37.59 | Kaydeethree | so, what are you complaining about then? |
| 22:38.01 | Rallion | leeeeaaave. |
| 22:38.24 | cog|work | dreamss2: show me where you can find a comprehensive guide with a 99% accurate and complete reference to all API functions and widget methods |
| 22:38.33 | dreamss2 | cause someone has to complain... shit is as retarded as lvl to 70 guides |
| 22:38.41 | dreamss2 | its called IRC |
| 22:38.45 | cog|work | dreamss2: show me a Lua tutorial that would be friendly to people who have never touched a programming language in their life |
| 22:38.47 | dreamss2 | im in 3 ui channels at least |
| 22:38.54 | zenzelezz | oh noes |
| 22:38.56 | dreamss2 | each chan will link me to a guide directly |
| 22:38.58 | Elyssah | i'll have to come back later, yall are arguing with dreamss2 and i need to get ready to go |
| 22:39.10 | zenzelezz | seeya Elyssah |
| 22:39.14 | Lunessa | I'll buy the book. I'm all about supporting writing and the efforts of people I admire. |
| 22:39.24 | zenzelezz | and cogwheel |
| 22:39.39 | cog|work | dreamss2: what if the information doesn't exist? cladhaire is working on the book full-time and we will be researching every function, its parameters and everything to have it all up to date |
| 22:39.42 | Elyssah | cog, i hope you'll let me pick your brain later |
| 22:39.47 | cog|work | can you say that about wowwiki? |
| 22:39.52 | dreamss2 | http://www.google.com/search?q=lua+wow+guide&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 |
| 22:40.03 | dreamss2 | by the time ur book us out the API will be updated |
| 22:40.04 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 22:40.20 | dreamss2 | learn to write LUA for wow 1.0 when 3.0 is out? |
| 22:40.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@cpe-67-49-154-156.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 22:40.22 | Elyssah | and i'll probably buy your book.. even if it's jsut for reference |
| 22:40.26 | cog|work | all i can say is you're a fucking retard with no imagination |
| 22:40.37 | cog|work | if you don't want it, then don't buy it |
| 22:40.41 | bleetyarrrr | cog|work: don't be so down on retards, please. |
| 22:40.56 | cog|work | Sorry... you're a fucking mentally challenged individual |
| 22:40.57 | dreamss2 | all i can say is ur a money grubbing whore and i will pirate this book on the wow forums just cause its 40bucks |
| 22:41.13 | zenzelezz | in before the kick |
| 22:41.14 | Rallion | let him do it. |
| 22:41.14 | Kaydeethree | irc trolls, fun stuff |
| 22:41.24 | bleetyarrrr | goddamn someone op me so I can make this scurvy dog walk the plank! |
| 22:41.29 | Elyssah | at least you will know who to sue for it |
| 22:41.45 | dreamss2 | i have more vhosts/shells/domains |
| 22:41.46 | art3mis | i think its kind of funny that you guys fell for him so easily |
| 22:41.50 | dreamss2 | yeah sue me |
| 22:41.51 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 22:41.57 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b dreamss2!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 22:41.57 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [dreamss2!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (scriptkiddie somewhere else.. please.) |
| 22:42.11 | Elyssah | yay! |
| 22:42.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b dreamss2!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 22:42.17 | zenzelezz | we don't fall for it, we just gather energy from their spirits |
| 22:42.27 | art3mis | r-i-p.spirits-guides.com |
| 22:42.31 | Elyssah | one last question before i go |
| 22:42.32 | art3mis | tis his host btw |
| 22:42.35 | Kaydeethree | bah. my troll sensors aren't working properly today. gotta find more caffeine |
| 22:42.42 | ckknight | so... |
| 22:42.48 | ckknight | who's up for pirating literature? |
| 22:42.50 | cladhaire | art3mis: heh.. i avoid banning hosts unless we have a good reason |
| 22:43.01 | cladhaire | ckknight: i can't pirate anythign until tomorrow |
| 22:43.04 | cladhaire | my mommy said so |
| 22:43.04 | art3mis | i just thought the host name was kind of funny |
| 22:43.14 | foxlit|mac | yarr? |
| 22:43.15 | ckknight | cladhaire: blast, we'll have to reschedule |
| 22:43.17 | Shirik | cladhaire: scriptkiddie? |
| 22:43.25 | cladhaire | Shirik: yes.. |
| 22:43.28 | Rallion | scriptkiddie attitude. |
| 22:43.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:43.36 | Shirik | I assumed that he was actually doing something |
| 22:43.36 | Elyssah | about using multiple xml and lua files |
| 22:43.45 | cladhaire | no one comes on irc and brags about how many vhosts/shells/domains they have, unless they're a script kidding. |
| 22:43.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:43.50 | cladhaire | s/ing/ie/ |
| 22:43.51 | Rallion | yep |
| 22:43.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:44.01 | cog|work | Elyssah: go for it |
| 22:44.01 | foxlit|mac | Elyssah: ask away |
| 22:44.06 | Elyssah | wait.. what's a script kiddie? |
| 22:44.09 | cladhaire | i've been IRCing for 15 years, and I can say that with complete confidence :P |
| 22:44.12 | cladhaire | ~dict script kiddie |
| 22:44.25 | cog|work | survey says... |
| 22:44.26 | cladhaire | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=script+kiddie |
| 22:44.44 | Valaron|Work | The Braggarts of the IRC world. |
| 22:44.47 | cog|work | foxlit|mac: network latency 4tl :P |
| 22:44.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge PProvost_ (i=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost) |
| 22:44.48 | Shirik | script kiddie = me going to <insert random hack site here> and DDoSing wowinterface.com making me thing I’m 1337 |
| 22:44.53 | Shirik | even though I did absolutely nothing whatsoever |
| 22:44.54 | Kaydeethree | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/script_kiddie |
| 22:45.43 | Shirik | btw cladhaire I have more vhosts than you |
| 22:45.49 | Shirik | and I use IPv7 too |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | ok cidan |
| 22:46.41 | Elyssah | ok.. back to my question |
| 22:46.46 | cog|work | :) |
| 22:47.02 | Elyssah | i'm using a layout like the social panel wow has by default, you know, multiple windows with tabs |
| 22:47.10 | cog|work | Elyssah: don't worry... we're accustomed to carrying half a dozen conversations at a time :P |
| 22:47.19 | Elyssah | if i give each window their own lua and xml file, |
| 22:47.36 | foxlit|mac | (window=tab) |
| 22:47.40 | Elyssah | how will it know that each window is a child of 1 big parent frame? |
| 22:47.53 | foxlit|mac | You can set a frame's parent without nesting it in <Frames> |
| 22:47.55 | cog|work | you can use the parent attribute in each one's tag |
| 22:48.02 | foxlit|mac | <Frame ... parent="ParentFrame"> |
| 22:48.08 | Elyssah | well.. how does it know which to read first? |
| 22:48.14 | cog|work | the order of the ToC file |
| 22:48.19 | Elyssah | ah! |
| 22:48.25 | Elyssah | you see, idid not know that |
| 22:48.25 | foxlit|mac | + order of subsequent XML loads :) |
| 22:48.46 | Elyssah | hmm.. now another q occured |
| 22:48.48 | cog|work | You can also use XML Includes, but i don't know if that would go against best practices ;) |
| 22:48.48 | foxlit|mac | There's a wiki page about that as well: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Code_Load_Order |
| 22:48.57 | Elyssah | the diff between writting for win vs writting for mac |
| 22:49.01 | cladhaire | lol arena team |
| 22:49.15 | cog|work | "for", nothing |
| 22:49.20 | cladhaire | "one of us is a homo" |
| 22:49.21 | Shirik | ~lart whoever wrote that page |
| 22:49.21 | purl | takes a big bite out of whoever wrote that page's jugular vein |
| 22:49.22 | cladhaire | Elyssah: you shoudl always use \ as the path seperator.. but thats the only difference. |
| 22:49.23 | cog|work | "on," only your choice of programs |
| 22:49.23 | foxlit|mac | Elyssah: I don't believe there is a difference. WoW accepts both styles of newline |
| 22:49.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@cpe-76-88-169-31.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 22:49.37 | Shirik | Lua is not an acronym!! |
| 22:49.42 | foxlit|mac | cladhaire: I usually use / :/ |
| 22:49.50 | cladhaire | foxlit|mac: there are a few places that it won't work. |
| 22:49.58 | cladhaire | so to be consistent i use \ everywhere. |
| 22:49.59 | Elyssah | i got a few mac users, i was concerned if they'd be able to use the addon i make |
| 22:50.02 | foxlit|mac | Could be, could be |
| 22:50.08 | cladhaire | Elyssah: I dev, and run all my addons on a mac |
| 22:50.10 | cladhaire | they work beautifully |
| 22:50.11 | cog|work | Elyssah: there are really no differences |
| 22:50.18 | Elyssah | ok good |
| 22:50.22 | Elyssah | cuz i was worried.. heh |
| 22:50.27 | cog|work | oh one more thing... |
| 22:50.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge weab (n=asdf@66.89.174.138.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:50.34 | Elyssah | just use \ and not / |
| 22:50.34 | foxlit|mac | if (IsWindowsClient()) crash(); |
| 22:50.39 | Elyssah | got ya |
| 22:50.52 | cog|work | for XML editing check out http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 22:51.01 | Rallion | ooh |
| 22:51.02 | Elyssah | bleh.. why do i keep coming up with questions?! |
| 22:51.16 | Rallion | because these things are complicated. |
| 22:51.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wraanger (n=Valle@vpn-100.su29.ru) |
| 22:51.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dreamss4 (n=tupac@82.138.241.220) |
| 22:51.29 | foxlit|mac | Because it's a great shortcut :) |
| 22:51.33 | dreamss4 | sweet |
| 22:52.13 | Elyssah | we have a problem with kicke dplayers trying to get back in the guild with new characters. is it possible to make an addon to do something about that? |
| 22:52.26 | cog|work | Elyssah: no |
| 22:52.29 | Elyssah | damn |
| 22:52.42 | cog|work | there is no way to know whether a character is on the same account as another for privacy reasons |
| 22:52.42 | Elyssah | we'll just have to keep the website then for ip comparison |
| 22:52.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cidan (i=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan) |
| 22:52.52 | dreamss4 | make a website with aplications with ip logs |
| 22:53.02 | Elyssah | already doing that |
| 22:53.16 | dreamss4 | and stop open invites |
| 22:53.22 | dreamss4 | only invite 65+ |
| 22:53.23 | dreamss4 | hehe |
| 22:53.27 | Elyssah | how did you get back here? |
| 22:53.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge GofG (n=Gofg@cpe-069-134-155-140.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 22:53.31 | Elyssah | cockroach |
| 22:53.39 | dreamss4 | heh called irc bouncers |
| 22:53.44 | Rallion | also, tempban |
| 22:53.47 | cladhaire | called i unbanned you |
| 22:53.51 | cladhaire | don't tempt me. |
| 22:53.57 | dreamss4 | i aint doing shit |
| 22:54.01 | dreamss4 | i spoke my mind |
| 22:54.04 | cladhaire | thats not for you to decide |
| 22:54.28 | cog|work | dreamss4: I don't mind discussing piracy on a theoretical level |
| 22:54.29 | Elyssah | i'll be back with more questions later. thanks everyone! |
| 22:54.31 | dreamss4 | thats to blizzard ish for irc seriusly |
| 22:54.38 | dreamss4 | cog|work, look man |
| 22:54.47 | dreamss4 | i understand that its work u are gonna do |
| 22:54.48 | cog|work | when you go making specific threats about piracy against stuff that people in this channel are creating then diaf |
| 22:54.51 | dreamss4 | but 40bucks? |
| 22:55.07 | dreamss4 | thats all im gonna say |
| 22:55.15 | cog|work | 1) price is set by the publisher |
| 22:55.22 | cog|work | 2) it's 800 fucking pages |
| 22:55.22 | Rallion | I'll sy that $40 is on the low end for a book of that nature. |
| 22:55.28 | zenzelezz | if you find $40 too much then I'm surprised you play WoW |
| 22:55.30 | cog|work | 3) you can get it for 26 off amazon |
| 22:55.41 | cog|work | 4) $40 is not a lot of mony for anyone with a job |
| 22:55.42 | dreamss4 | if it was like a website/wiki thing that get updated all the time |
| 22:55.52 | dreamss4 | it would be better |
| 22:55.53 | cog|work | dreamss4: who says there won't be ;) |
| 22:55.57 | dreamss4 | but a book |
| 22:55.59 | dreamss4 | bleh |
| 22:56.09 | Kaydeethree | so go work on wowwiki then. a lot of API pages could use updates |
| 22:56.10 | cladhaire | then don't buy the book |
| 22:56.16 | dreamss4 | API will get outdated by the time is printed |
| 22:56.20 | foxlit|mac | dreamss4: language guides sell despite availability of online documentation |
| 22:56.22 | zenzelezz | your precious online guides are no more guaranteed to be updated than a book is |
| 22:56.24 | foxlit|mac | API isn't the interesting part |
| 22:56.41 | cog|work | dreamss4: the core of the book isn't the reference |
| 22:56.42 | foxlit|mac | [it is easier to update online wiki content than it is to update a printed, sold book] |
| 22:56.49 | cladhaire | dreamss4: you are absolutely welcome to express your opinion, but don't expect to sit here and threaten people and not have action taken against you. Period. |
| 22:56.53 | cog|work | it's actual instruction of the various concepts |
| 22:56.55 | dreamss4 | no but keeping your eye open on any interface channel will get you up2date really fast |
| 22:57.02 | foxlit|mac | [but then again, I don't expect the thing to be a list of WoW api calls] |
| 22:57.07 | bleetyarrrr | clearly dreamss4 understands the market far better than the authors and publishers, and is more than welcome to set up their own and profit from less than $40 for a hard copy. |
| 22:57.07 | cladhaire | not with the material this book includes. |
| 22:57.09 | zenzelezz | foxlit|mac: the fact that something's easy is no guarantee that anyone will bother |
| 22:57.12 | cog|work | dreamss4: if you think that way then great. most people want a more guided approach |
| 22:57.19 | dreamss4 | cladhaire i was expecting a ban, but something has to say something |
| 22:57.24 | foxlit|mac | zenzelezz: 10^-7 > 0 |
| 22:57.28 | dreamss4 | someone |
| 22:57.35 | cladhaire | dreamss4: No, somebody doesn't have to say something |
| 22:57.54 | cog|work | dreamss4: nobody has to specifically threaten to pirate our work |
| 22:57.59 | cladhaire | moral of the story: don't buy the book if you don't want to. |
| 22:58.00 | cladhaire | period. |
| 22:58.03 | cladhaire | story ends there |
| 22:58.08 | dreamss4 | heh just cause ppl dosent have the balls to say something dosent mean they not thinking the same |
| 22:58.10 | dreamss4 | yeah |
| 22:58.18 | cladhaire | what the fuck is your point? |
| 22:58.20 | cladhaire | seriously? |
| 22:58.24 | cladhaire | what are you trying to express? |
| 22:58.29 | zenzelezz | so you assume that because we don't object to the price we're just afraid to say it? |
| 22:58.34 | cladhaire | until you have a point, you're trolling. |
| 22:58.36 | foxlit|mac | (in other words, no matter how small the chance, it's still larger than the chance of a printed book spontaneously deciding to update while on your bookshelf. We aren't there technologically yet :() |
| 22:58.43 | cog|work | cladhaire: i think he's trying to say he's poor and wants to stick it to the man |
| 22:58.52 | cladhaire | cog|work: thats' fine.. without "the man" the material wouldn't exist |
| 22:58.56 | cladhaire | so he can go on, not having it |
| 22:58.59 | cladhaire | by not puchasing the book |
| 22:59.03 | dreamss4 | my point, book is allmost as much wow itself |
| 22:59.04 | art3mis | does the book come with a c of examples an editor and a sandbox? oh and will if have funny comics to illustrate points? |
| 22:59.06 | zenzelezz | foxlit|mac: who said anything about spontaneously updating? Books get updated and reprinted too you know |
| 22:59.19 | cladhaire | pulling shit in a normally peaceful irc channel will not be the way to do it. |
| 22:59.33 | art3mis | err a cd |
| 22:59.44 | art3mis | funny comics are important |
| 22:59.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 22:59.51 | cog|work | don't know about comics :P |
| 22:59.54 | Shirik | aww |
| 22:59.56 | Shirik | did I miss something again |
| 23:00.05 | dreamss4 | yeah by coincidence i saw it anyways, my other bnc was dead when i woke up |
| 23:00.09 | zenzelezz | the book will use lolcat pictures for illustrations |
| 23:00.16 | foxlit|mac | zenzelezz: with reservations, yes. But I doubt that a WoW-related printed reference could hope to compete with the wow patch release schedule. (+stuff) |
| 23:00.18 | Valaron|Work | Sold! |
| 23:00.19 | Thunder_Child | hmm..usb 3.0 will come in at 4.8 Gbps |
| 23:00.19 | Kaydeethree | sweet, I'm buying it! |
| 23:00.35 | Rallion | lolcats would be awesome |
| 23:00.43 | Shirik | dreamss4: $40 is cheap, first off |
| 23:00.54 | dreamss4 | cladhaire, lets put it this way, i learned my way into a lot of stuff by being selftauth and i meet many interesting ppl in the process |
| 23:00.55 | art3mis | foxlit|mac: thats why it becomes a 2.4 Update book! |
| 23:00.56 | cog|work | (not to mention that you can get it for $26) |
| 23:00.58 | Shirik | dreamss4: Secondly, if you don’t want to pay that, you can always read the Blizzard code and try to... figure it out on your own |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | but um |
| 23:01.06 | Rallion | $40 IS cheap, I've never seen a programming guide for less |
| 23:01.08 | foxlit|mac | Then again, the main appeal isn't the reference, and so there's less motivation to update that |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | considering the book is longer than the Blizzard code itself |
| 23:01.09 | cladhaire | dreamss4: ooh grats, so have i. |
| 23:01.10 | zenzelezz | foxlit|mac: you're still being peculiarly argumentative considering all I initially said is "there's no guarantee". Unless you wish to claim there is a guarantee I don't see your point |
| 23:01.11 | cladhaire | whats your point? |
| 23:01.13 | Valaron|Work | Self taught.. like by reading books? |
| 23:01.17 | bleetyarrrr | clearly what needs to be done is insert some code into the book that only makes it in to pirated versions, by which the pirates of the books get their WoW accounts permabanned. |
| 23:01.25 | dreamss4 | reading webguides |
| 23:01.33 | foxlit|mac | zenzelezz: I can personally update 1 API page / patch cycle :P |
| 23:01.36 | cladhaire | dreamss4: that someone wrote.. odd how that works. |
| 23:01.37 | Shirik | and btw |
| 23:01.45 | Shirik | the argument that something is “out of date” is completely irrelevant |
| 23:01.46 | foxlit|mac | It ends up being a silly argument :P |
| 23:01.52 | Shirik | that’s why most textbooks are revised after a couple of years |
| 23:02.03 | zenzelezz | foxlit|mac: of course you can, but are you guaranteeing us you will? |
| 23:02.08 | Shirik | and you have something like “eighth edition” |
| 23:02.10 | cladhaire | stop dramatizing how much changes from patch to patch, and actually look back at the diffs. |
| 23:02.12 | cladhaire | the API changes are minimal |
| 23:02.14 | cladhaire | and fully documented. |
| 23:02.18 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:02.22 | Kaydeethree | http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ |
| 23:02.38 | cladhaire | its a magical world we live in. |
| 23:02.44 | cladhaire | where reality reigns |
| 23:02.48 | bleetyarrrr | and a good textbook, matched with a mature well developed API that updates in a sane manner, will have it's fundamentals last far longer than a bunch of random web pages. |
| 23:02.51 | Shirik | what’s reality? |
| 23:02.52 | dreamss4 | so are u telling me this are ppl want their hand held but when the API updates they on their own to look for the changes? |
| 23:03.02 | cladhaire | dreamss4: This is not a book about hand-holding. |
| 23:03.09 | Shirik | dreamss4: Look? |
| 23:03.13 | cog|work | dreamss4: you have an amazing lack of imagination |
| 23:03.14 | Shirik | It’s awlays in the same place |
| 23:03.16 | Shirik | it’s not like it’s hard to find |
| 23:03.19 | Wraanger | me personally would pay $100 instantly if I could by this book in Russia |
| 23:03.32 | dreamss4 | i belive you said this book is for people who prefer their hand held? |
| 23:03.36 | cladhaire | dreamss4: no, i did not. |
| 23:03.39 | bleetyarrrr | in soviet russia, the book buys you? |
| 23:03.40 | cladhaire | and i'm the fucking author |
| 23:03.41 | cladhaire | so i woudl know. |
| 23:03.45 | dreamss4 | yes |
| 23:03.46 | foxlit|mac | cladhaire: that's not even the point. I'm just saying that online content has a better chance of staying up to date than a book. I'm not saying that detracts from the book's value. |
| 23:03.47 | dreamss4 | i know |
| 23:04.00 | cladhaire | foxlit|mac: indeed, but the online content can't get written without some catalyst. |
| 23:04.06 | cladhaire | hence the state of the wiki. |
| 23:04.29 | foxlit|mac | When in doubt, blame ace! |
| 23:04.30 | dreamss4 | <fn'cog|work> dreamss4: if you think that way then great. most people want a more guided approach |
| 23:04.34 | cog|work | dreamss4: there's a big difference between "guiding" and "hand-holding" |
| 23:04.38 | cladhaire | first off, that's not me |
| 23:04.46 | cog|work | BIG |
| 23:04.53 | cladhaire | indeed. |
| 23:04.55 | Lunessa | I'm all for you guys finishing the book. Books are good. Shared knowledge is GOOD. Recorded sharable knowledge is AWESOME. |
| 23:05.19 | cladhaire | Recorded sharable knowledge with online resources that are updated due to existing contracts are even better |
| 23:05.29 | Thrae | I thought the point of the book was to present the material, especially the basics, in as well-formed a manner as possible. |
| 23:05.33 | dreamss4 | also while you guys dont see my point (as if there any) i come from a place were everything is pirated so i know how pirates think |
| 23:05.52 | cladhaire | dreamss4: that's great.. under NO circumstances does that excuse your conduct in this channel. |
| 23:05.58 | cladhaire | period. |
| 23:06.08 | Shirik | dreamss4: And you know what |
| 23:06.09 | dreamss4 | you rather i lie? |
| 23:06.13 | Shirik | half of us have zero respect for people like that |
| 23:06.14 | cladhaire | no, i'd rather you shut up |
| 23:06.16 | cladhaire | or leave |
| 23:06.24 | Shirik | Because we prefer to make a living |
| 23:06.24 | dreamss4 | cause obscurity = security |
| 23:06.25 | cladhaire | if you have no purpose in being here other than trolling |
| 23:06.30 | cladhaire | ... |
| 23:06.37 | zenzelezz | oh my |
| 23:06.39 | Shirik | instead you prefer to steal from people who try to make a living |
| 23:06.39 | Kaydeethree | when did any of us make that argument? |
| 23:06.47 | cog|work | dreamss4: rather than jumping around from various disjointed wowwiki pages with missing and out of date information, visiting other sites like lua.org for a lua guide that only experienced programmers can understand, and chat channels where conversations are interrupted by trolls |
| 23:06.50 | bleetyarrrr | pointing out that you're violating # rules != obscurity |
| 23:06.52 | cladhaire | do you even know what computer security is.. or is that some buzzword you read in some online article? |
| 23:06.54 | dreamss4 | woa woa, now u guys saying u never pirated b4? |
| 23:07.05 | dreamss4 | cladhaire do u know what grsec is? |
| 23:07.09 | cladhaire | dot.. motherfucking.. dot. |
| 23:07.24 | Tain | I've pirated before IMO |
| 23:07.27 | cog|work | we have a guide that tells you a complete story from learning Lua, understanding the WoW UI system, Working with specific idioms, through to a complete, comprehensive reference |
| 23:07.34 | cladhaire | dreamss4: no i didn't.. but now i do.. why whats your point? |
| 23:07.47 | Thrae | Everyone here has pirated before. Can't get enough Savory Deviate Delights! |
| 23:07.53 | bleetyarrrr | yarrr! |
| 23:07.53 | cladhaire | aargh |
| 23:07.58 | cladhaire | awfully fitting |
| 23:08.01 | dreamss4 | just checking mattey |
| 23:08.16 | cog|work | dreamss4: how old are you? |
| 23:08.29 | Shirik | cladhaire: There’s a natural solution to this |
| 23:08.30 | dreamss4 | oh god here comes the age card |
| 23:08.32 | Shirik | And it’s what he wants |
| 23:08.35 | Shirik | so just do it already |
| 23:08.43 | cog|work | dreamss4: no seriously.. .I was just like you when I was in high school |
| 23:09.02 | cladhaire | Shirik: no, he wants me to cycle through all of his IP address, banning innocent people just because he's a nitwit. |
| 23:09.03 | cog|work | pirated everything, didn't understand how anyone could justify charging $40 for a book... |
| 23:09.21 | cog|work | then one day I took economics, and another day i got a job... |
| 23:09.25 | Shirik | so contact an ircop :P |
| 23:09.27 | dreamss4 | no i know cog |
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| 23:09.31 | cog|work | now I feel pity for people like you |
| 23:09.42 | dreamss4 | im not saying u guys are making 49 out of 50bucks |
| 23:09.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin_ (n=wobin@124-171-34-211.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:09.47 | dreamss4 | prolly get like 5-10 |
| 23:10.22 | bleetyarrrr | prolly more like $0.50c up until 20k units are sold, then $1... some sliding scale like that |
| 23:10.24 | Shirik | in fact I do believe the very statement that he pirates everything is against freenode policy |
| 23:10.27 | Shirik | should be enough for a K-line |
| 23:10.36 | cladhaire | Shirik: a k-line on his bouncer's ip. |
| 23:10.44 | bleetyarrrr | with a guarantee on minimum |
| 23:10.45 | cog|work | bleetyarrrr: it's simpler than that... advance to write it, no royalties until the advance is paid off |
| 23:10.48 | cladhaire | that's how these people get off |
| 23:10.49 | Shirik | I leave that job to the ircops :) |
| 23:10.53 | dreamss4 | wait free speech is agaist frenode rules? |
| 23:11.01 | Shirik | No, being a dumbass is |
| 23:11.01 | cladhaire | no, idiocy |
| 23:11.04 | cladhaire | and trolling |
| 23:11.04 | bleetyarrrr | cog|work: aye, thta's the other set of rules |
| 23:11.07 | cladhaire | big difference |
| 23:11.19 | Kaydeethree | waitasec... free speech on a network that's not owned by the government? |
| 23:11.23 | Kaydeethree | news to me |
| 23:11.24 | bleetyarrrr | some topics are not allowed to be discussed on freenode, can't recall what they are though. |
| 23:11.32 | dreamss4 | heh |
| 23:11.41 | dreamss4 | im lo lazy to /motd |
| 23:12.15 | dreamss4 | cladhaire can i send you a tell really quickly? |
| 23:12.31 | cladhaire | yes? |
| 23:12.34 | cog|work | dreamss4: freedom of speech is only related to the government... The first amendment says "congress shall make no law" not "everyone shall have the right to do whatever the fuck they want" |
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| 23:12.36 | zenzelezz | need to be registered to send private messages on Freenode |
| 23:12.39 | Tain | So the important thing is I haven't been paying any attention for a while. cladhaire wrote a book? |
| 23:12.45 | dreamss4 | lol |
| 23:12.46 | cladhaire | Tain: wrote, and is writing, yes. |
| 23:12.57 | Thrae | Tain: You haven't been paying attention for the past 1.5 months? :D |
| 23:13.06 | Tain | Well, much more than that. |
| 23:13.14 | dreamss4 | woa |
| 23:13.20 | bleetyarrrr | "As a legal entity, PDPC cannot condone or support behavior which is clearly unlawful. " |
| 23:13.22 | Thrae | Tain: You must be near end-game on #idle-rpg. |
| 23:13.23 | cladhaire | i'm waiting |
| 23:13.29 | dreamss4 | have fun with ctcp version flood |
| 23:13.31 | dreamss4 | heh |
| 23:13.36 | Shirik | I still want to know the answer to your age |
| 23:13.38 | Tain | But I am happy to give money to people for doing stuff! |
| 23:13.39 | cladhaire | uhh.. i requested your client once |
| 23:13.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 23:13.42 | Shirik | because I want to know how you make a living |
| 23:13.43 | Shirik | tbh |
| 23:13.44 | cladhaire | because i had the window open, and was waiting for your PM |
| 23:13.51 | cladhaire | which still hasn't arrived. |
| 23:14.03 | dreamss4 | im using an old script from my pgpd i restored dint edit the flood it makes |
| 23:14.04 | dreamss4 | heh |
| 23:14.08 | cog|work | dreamss4: seriously ... i'm curious as to your age... PM me if you don't want it public |
| 23:14.52 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 23:14.57 | Shirik | ha |
| 23:15.03 | Valaron|Work | Hurk |
| 23:15.04 | Shirik | damn I expected to see something like irssi |
| 23:15.09 | Shirik | or something linux based |
| 23:15.11 | Kaydeethree | mIRC? |
| 23:15.13 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:15.14 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 23:15.16 | JoshBorke | i feel like i stepped into something bizarre |
| 23:15.24 | Valaron|Work | Get out while you still can. |
| 23:15.26 | Thrae | So I did a /lastlog and still have little idea what people are talking about. |
| 23:15.29 | dreamss4 | maybe its irssii modded to look like mirc |
| 23:15.29 | Shirik | 14(1911:1311:1914) 11-› 14[CTCP VERSION reply from dreamss414]: mIRC v6.21 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:15.29 | Shirik | 14(1911:1311:1914) 11-› 14[CTCP VERSION reply from dreamss414]: 12( NoNameScript 4.1 12:: www.nnscript.com 12:: www.regroup-esports.com 12) |
| 23:15.30 | bleetyarrrr | JoshBorke: twighlight zone, to be sure and a bottle of rum! |
| 23:15.37 | Shirik | I would tend to disagree dreamss4 |
| 23:15.38 | dreamss4 | i make bitchx look like mirc all the time |
| 23:15.49 | Shirik | good try on the save though |
| 23:15.54 | dreamss4 | hell do u guys even know how to know the diff betwin a unix and windows irc client? |
| 23:15.55 | JoshBorke | it's possible |
| 23:15.58 | dreamss4 | lol |
| 23:16.07 | dreamss4 | or how to get idle times of a irc user? |
| 23:16.08 | bleetyarrrr | truly leet people get mIRC happening on comps like I have right here and using right now! |
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| 23:16.25 | Thrae | dreamss4: We may or may not. Explain to us. |
| 23:16.36 | Shirik | have fun dreamss4 |
| 23:16.38 | dreamss4 | maybe get the ip out of the web irc client |
| 23:16.40 | dreamss4 | its easy |
| 23:16.40 | cog|work | dreamss4: since you also don't have 5th amendment protection in here, with your lack of response we hereby find you guilty of being too young for any of us to have respect for you |
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| 23:17.13 | Kaydeethree | meh, I'm gonna go back to watching the forums. someone keep me informed if things get interesting |
| 23:17.16 | dreamss4 | lol |
| 23:17.39 | alestane | Another test realm patch. |
| 23:17.42 | alestane | Yay. |
| 23:18.05 | bleetyarrrr | alestane: whcih build? |
| 23:18.11 | cog|work | dreamss4: answer this question at least... are you old enough buy alcohol in the US? |
| 23:18.13 | Shirik | so dreamss4 |
| 23:18.16 | cog|work | legally |
| 23:18.16 | alestane | 7272 |
| 23:18.17 | Shirik | curious man? |
| 23:18.18 | cladhaire | guys.. let it drop. |
| 23:18.23 | cladhaire | now, please. |
| 23:18.26 | cladhaire | i will deal with it, if there are issue |
| 23:18.28 | bleetyarrrr | alestane: ah, good-o... already got it :) |
| 23:18.29 | Shirik | cog|work: I’m not :( |
| 23:18.35 | cladhaire | the civil discussion rule applies to everyone. |
| 23:18.37 | Shirik | 6 months... |
| 23:18.40 | dreamss4 | ctcp echo for unix irc client check/clientinfo for webcheck |
| 23:18.49 | dreamss4 | whois nickname nickname for idle check |
| 23:18.49 | Shirik | you could have just done a CTCP/VERSION |
| 23:18.57 | Shirik | I proudly indicate I’m on mirc with nbs-irc |
| 23:18.57 | dreamss4 | no u can spoof those |
| 23:19.00 | Shirik | I hvae no reason to hide it |
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| 23:19.16 | Shirik | and you can spoof anything |
| 23:19.17 | Shirik | anything. |
| 23:19.18 | JoshBorke | wow, now seriously, can we drop it? |
| 23:19.22 | Shirik | but yeah I’ll shut up |
| 23:19.26 | alestane | So, anyone want to critique the first version of my parser code from yesterday? http://wowi.pastey.net/74045 |
| 23:19.26 | JoshBorke | who the fuck cares |
| 23:19.27 | dreamss4 | mine whould say bitchx grsec normally if my script dint freak out due pgpdrive corructpoint |
| 23:19.45 | Shirik | yes alestane |
| 23:19.50 | Shirik | LIST should be a constant if it’s in call caps |
| 23:20.28 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:20.29 | Shirik | I read it wrong |
| 23:20.30 | Shirik | nm |
| 23:20.49 | Shirik | well it is a “constant function” it just seems a bit odd to me to name a function in all caps |
| 23:21.03 | alestane | Mostly because it was a small local utility. |
| 23:21.18 | cladhaire | all caps should be constants |
| 23:21.25 | cladhaire | if its a local utility, scope it explicitly |
| 23:21.30 | alestane | I did. |
| 23:21.39 | cladhaire | then no need to signify any other way than in your comments |
| 23:21.50 | cladhaire | the conventions nazis would be all over you for an all caps func :P |
| 23:22.07 | alestane | It's used slightly like a type declaration, any guidelines for that? |
| 23:22.18 | Shirik | if (...) == "[" or (select(select('#', ...), ...)) == "]" then |
| 23:22.20 | Shirik | that hurt my head for a second |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | call it createlist() |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | or newlist() |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | and you shoudl make t an optional argument |
| 23:23.47 | alestane | So (and I am not saying this to dismiss the importance of style) any functional comments? |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | the LIST{}'s are funny, but more unreadable than anythign else. |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | i'm looking at functionality now. |
| 23:23.47 | alestane | I guess it's easy enough to say t = t or {} |
| 23:23.47 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 23:24.07 | alestane | Do I need to explain? |
| 23:24.14 | alestane | Or should I phrase it another way? |
| 23:24.31 | cog|work | don't need to explain t=t or {} |
| 23:24.43 | alestane | cog|work: No, what Shirik said. |
| 23:25.05 | Cidan | Shirik isn't allowed to talk |
| 23:25.39 | cog|work | if you want to make it more explicit, you could make first and last variables... |
| 23:25.43 | cog|work | but i think its fine |
| 23:25.49 | cog|work | just takes a bit of reading comprehension |
| 23:25.50 | Shirik | I think it is too |
| 23:25.53 | cog|work | ~fail Shirik |
| 23:25.54 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 23:25.55 | Shirik | just took me a little time to be like “ow” |
| 23:26.03 | Shirik | I’ve written FAR worse |
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| 23:26.23 | alestane | I'm only going to refer to select('#', ...) once so I didn't want a local. |
| 23:26.49 | JoshBorke | why don't you want a local? :_( |
| 23:27.05 | alestane | JoshBorke: Because I'm not going to reuse it. |
| 23:27.41 | JoshBorke | kk |
| 23:27.42 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 23:28.36 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.04 | alestane | I hate trying to use the [ and ] literals in sets, but can't get around it here. |
| 23:29.20 | alestane | Mostly, again, just because of reading comprehension. |
| 23:30.25 | cladhaire | Shirik: ping |
| 23:30.58 | alestane | Hmm, probably going to make one change. |
| 23:31.13 | cladhaire | Okay.. anyone want to play the state transition machine game with me? |
| 23:31.25 | alestane | cladhaire: ? |
| 23:31.34 | Wraanger | clad: umm ? what you mean ? |
| 23:31.35 | cladhaire | I need to figure out this problem |
| 23:31.37 | cladhaire | so i can code it :P |
| 23:31.44 | cladhaire | You have a waypoint on the map |
| 23:31.47 | alestane | k |
| 23:31.51 | cladhaire | with three distances forming circles around it |
| 23:31.56 | alestane | k |
| 23:32.00 | cladhaire | arrive (closest), near, and fara |
| 23:32.00 | cladhaire | far |
| 23:32.03 | [dRaCo] | I haz a waypoint. |
| 23:32.05 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 23:32.11 | cladhaire | you can also be outside the far circle, obviouslly |
| 23:32.22 | alestane | so 4 possible states. |
| 23:32.42 | cladhaire | well, not necessary if you consider that you can be flying in or out |
| 23:32.42 | cladhaire | bt yes. |
| 23:33.00 | cladhaire | there are three callbacks that get fired OnDistanceArrive, OnDistanceNear, OnDistanceFar, with a boolean indicating direction. |
| 23:33.09 | cladhaire | i.e. if you fly from state 4 to state 3, you get OnDistanceFar, true |
| 23:33.15 | cladhaire | since you're flying towards the waypoint |
| 23:33.24 | cladhaire | if you fly from state 2 to state 3, you get OnDistanceFar, false |
| 23:33.27 | cladhaire | follow? |
| 23:33.30 | alestane | fly from 3 into 4, get OnDistanceFar, false. |
| 23:33.39 | [dRaCo] | so far, yes ;) |
| 23:33.52 | cladhaire | alestane: well that's what i'm not sure about. |
| 23:34.00 | cladhaire | also, i haven't considered something like, say, blink |
| 23:34.04 | cladhaire | what if you cross two circles at once. |
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| 23:34.15 | cladhaire | and what happens if a warlock summons you into or out of one of the states. |
| 23:34.32 | [dRaCo] | fire only the last event |
| 23:34.35 | alestane | What's the actual goal? |
| 23:34.35 | cladhaire | just trying to figure out what you, as an addon author would find intelligable. |
| 23:34.42 | cladhaire | alestane: provide robust callbacks for waypoints |
| 23:34.56 | cladhaire | i need to know, if you were an author coding against this.. whats sane behavior? |
| 23:35.23 | cladhaire | i tend to think, that regardless of where you came from... you should get the callback whenever you cross a boundry into one of the circles |
| 23:35.33 | cladhaire | i.e. OnDistanceArrive whenever you (from anywhere) cross into the inner circle. |
| 23:35.36 | alestane | So, if I'm using your (library?), I'm giving it waypoints, and then asking to be informed about the player's status vis-a-vis these waypoints? |
| 23:35.41 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: pastey the question =P |
| 23:35.43 | cladhaire | alestane: yes |
| 23:36.15 | [dRaCo] | clad: sounds good. |
| 23:36.23 | [dRaCo] | Don't fire 2 events at once, though |
| 23:36.28 | cladhaire | do you need to know what direction you were coming from? |
| 23:36.36 | cladhaire | or does that not matter? |
| 23:36.44 | alestane | Can you give an example of a situation where if you went from outside the far circle to within the arrival radius, you'd need to be informed about passing the other two zones? |
| 23:36.56 | [dRaCo] | in or out, that's all I'd like to know. |
| 23:37.24 | cladhaire | alestane: no, I can't right now.. which is what I'm asking :P |
| 23:37.47 | Cidan | there's always room for drama! |
| 23:37.52 | Cidan | Or was it DotA? |
| 23:37.55 | Cidan | I always forget. |
| 23:38.08 | alestane | I'd honestly say that just being informed of state change (with old state still available for query) would satisfy everything. |
| 23:38.28 | cladhaire | hrm.. i was trying to hide the states from the library author |
| 23:38.36 | cladhaire | but i suppose i could expose it |
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| 23:38.43 | Wraanger | clad: imo information regarding croosing boundaries should be available in case of running / flying and suspent in case of summoning / teleporting |
| 23:38.47 | [dRaCo] | why not provide both layers? |
| 23:38.58 | alestane | "Your waypoint is now in proximity-zone 3 (it was in zone 2 before)" |
| 23:39.22 | cladhaire | perhaps a :GetDistance() and a :GetPreviousDistance()? |
| 23:40.23 | alestane | And a callback when it changes. You might want to take a look at how I manage my settings on the checkbox in SilentMacros, i've been learning interesting things about using attributes. |
| 23:40.44 | [dRaCo] | why would you want 3 callbacks, though? one could be enough |
| 23:40.58 | alestane | HealThyself is a better example but I haven't uploaded the new code yet. |
| 23:41.08 | [dRaCo] | OnDistanceChange(newDistance, oldDistance) |
| 23:41.23 | cladhaire | and fire it only when you cross boundries? |
| 23:41.28 | alestane | dRaCo: agree |
| 23:41.44 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 23:41.49 | Antiarc | Is there anyone here with a frFR, esES, koKR, or zhTW, or zhCN client? |
| 23:42.24 | alestane | You can use actual distances or zone distances as you see fit...maybe even allow the client to define its own ranges and choice of measurement when it requests the waypoint. |
| 23:42.43 | cladhaire | it does |
| 23:42.47 | cladhaire | it defines the arrive, near and far distances |
| 23:43.00 | alestane | (warning! I tend to make things unneccesarily general!) |
| 23:43.02 | cladhaire | a waypoint is created by specifying c,z,x,y,arrive,near,far |
| 23:43.17 | cladhaire | those weren't hardcoded values i was referring to :P |
| 23:43.19 | alestane | what's c? |
| 23:43.28 | [dRaCo] | speed of light :/ |
| 23:43.31 | cladhaire | continent |
| 23:43.36 | alestane | ah. |
| 23:44.38 | alestane | Well, the only other option I might suggest (as above) would be "give me real distances' versus "give me zones"...but since the add-on can probably determine that for itself, it may not be needful. |
| 23:45.43 | [dRaCo] | dont think that's necessary |
| 23:46.08 | [dRaCo] | might be nice to have for a specific purpose, but useless for a lot more |
| 23:46.24 | alestane | Digression: If I have two variables which may contain strings or may be nil, and I want to determine if exactly one of them (doesn't matter which) is non-nil, is there a better way to do it than (not a ~= not b) ? |
| 23:47.11 | [dRaCo] | can you concat nil strings? |
| 23:47.18 | alestane | no |
| 23:47.28 | alestane | lua> "five"..nil |
| 23:47.28 | cladbot | alestane: [string "return "five"..nil"]:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 23:47.31 | JoshBorke | alestane: don't think so |
| 23:48.19 | alestane | There's no logical XOR in Lua, so I think that may be the simplest I get. |
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| 23:50.11 | alestane | "not a ~= not b" is equivalent to "(not a) ~= (not b)", yes? |
| 23:50.33 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 23:51.57 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.29 | cladhaire | how about this: |
| 23:53.30 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/74050 |
| 23:54.04 | cladhaire | it tells you when you enter a state, and gives you information about the previous distance, and the current distance |
| 23:54.33 | cladhaire | it should degrade properly when one of the distances isn't available as well |
| 23:54.42 | cladhaire | except for state 4.. i need to fix that in case there is no near or far |
| 23:55.16 | cladhaire | actually state 4 is meaningless now. |
| 23:55.24 | cladhaire | LIES |
| 23:55.43 | dreamss4 | heh |
| 23:55.47 | dreamss4 | i love that feeling |
| 23:56.24 | cladhaire | lua> math.max(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 23:56.24 | cladbot | cladhaire: 5, |
| 23:56.40 | cladhaire | lua> math.max(nil, 1, 2, nil, 4) |
| 23:56.41 | cladbot | cladhaire: [string "math.max(nil, 1, 2, nil, 4)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'max' (number expected, got nil) |
| 23:56.44 | cladhaire | ooh bastage |
| 23:57.23 | bleetyarrrr | cladhaire: ability t' count is not a pre-req fer piracy 101, to be sure, you're safe! Walk the plank! |
| 23:57.39 | bleetyarrrr | hmmm |
| 23:57.42 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:58.10 | bleetyarrrr | Feed talkfilters t' th' hammerheads! Shiver me timbers! |
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