| 00:00.04 | Corrodias | the bartender code aborts the skinning process if the button's icon (which i believe it loads from ShapeshiftButton1Icon) is nil. ShapeshiftButton1Icon is, in fact nil, which is not equal to AspectshiftingButton1Icon. however, when i try to assign it to equal that, some part of what i assume to be Blizzard's code changes it back to nil |
| 00:00.09 | Corrodias | or at least it does on the next bar update |
| 00:00.49 | Corrodias | i toyed with the idea of setting up a metatable for _G |
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| 00:02.37 | Corrodias | what happens if you set up an __index entry for _G["bob"] to return _G["bill"] and somebody does "bob = something"? does bill get set to something? |
| 00:02.51 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: I've no idea whether the 'invalid' format of the Last-modifier is causing clients other than wget to vomit, but I wouldn't be suprised |
| 00:08.09 | Wobwor1 | (9:38:43 AM) Industrial: does anyone know a fantasy related irc channel? |
| 00:08.09 | Wobwor1 | #notaddictedtoWoW ? |
| 00:08.34 | Industrial | yes, non game related |
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| 00:19.30 | Industrial | Saint-N: oldwares is an instant hit! |
| 00:19.32 | Industrial | ;D |
| 00:19.49 | Saint-N | heh they're and ecclectic lot |
| 00:19.51 | JoshBorke | when will i see you again |
| 00:20.07 | Industrial | I also like the xdcc with old games like q1 ;x |
| 00:20.21 | Saint-N | hehyeah jeckly did a nice job with it |
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| 00:35.15 | Industrial | Cidan: shit I need hl2 :P |
| 00:37.23 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 00:37.53 | Industrial | and I don't have a CC |
| 00:38.00 | Industrial | so I can't paypal either |
| 00:38.04 | Industrial | so I have to go to the shop |
| 00:38.08 | Industrial | so I can only play tomorrow |
| 00:38.20 | Industrial | (will cost me 10 bucks for hl2:deathmatch) |
| 00:38.24 | Olison | how much is it via steam? |
| 00:38.29 | Olison | ah hm |
| 00:39.15 | devbin | howdy folks |
| 00:39.20 | Industrial | hai |
| 00:39.45 | devbin | what should I do if nobody aknowledges my question? |
| 00:39.49 | amro|laptop | didn't blizzard say that illidan wouldn't die in BC? |
| 00:40.04 | Industrial | devbin: what question? |
| 00:40.13 | Industrial | :X |
| 00:40.23 | Industrial | you might also try the wowi and/or wowace forums |
| 00:42.39 | devbin | well, I using the demo |
| 00:42.50 | devbin | from teh extraction thing |
| 00:43.26 | devbin | so IM trying to do the HelloWorld scriupt |
| 00:43.30 | Industrial | I learnt by picking apart other mods and pasting code and asking questions about that :P never really did a tutorial (don't know if they had a tutorial back then) |
| 00:43.41 | devbin | and it should load when the game loads |
| 00:43.43 | devbin | it doesnt though |
| 00:43.56 | Industrial | that was years ago (hah, I can actually say that now) |
| 00:44.25 | amro|laptop | devbin: does it show up in the addons selector? |
| 00:44.34 | Industrial | oh in the .toc, the interface number is 20000 |
| 00:44.39 | Industrial | try bumping it to 20100 |
| 00:46.05 | amro|laptop | gnight |
| 00:47.30 | WobWork | you're such an old fogey, Indy |
| 00:47.40 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 00:48.50 | devbin | http://wowi.pastey.net/73837 |
| 00:49.02 | devbin | thats the code, I broke the links so I could paste |
| 00:49.11 | devbin | it shows up in the addons, its the only one selecteed |
| 00:49.22 | devbin | ok |
| 00:49.34 | devbin | will try chaing the interface number |
| 00:49.51 | devbin | is there a mod that lets me reload without having to log out and in again |
| 00:51.17 | devbin | changed number, saved, reloaded, still nothing. |
| 00:52.15 | devbin | oops, let me try that again |
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| 00:53.30 | Industrial | no, you have to reload |
| 00:53.35 | Industrial | or restart for toc changes |
| 00:53.38 | Industrial | and new files |
| 00:53.41 | devbin | right |
| 00:53.43 | devbin | as I was doing. |
| 00:53.53 | devbin | it still doesnt pop up and say "helloworld" |
| 00:54.04 | Industrial | that's imho one of the anoying things about addon devving |
| 00:54.10 | Industrial | hmm |
| 00:54.34 | devbin | yeah, having to restart the game every time? |
| 00:54.45 | devbin | seems quite.... well I wont say. |
| 00:54.49 | Industrial | nah you can reload the interface for most changes |
| 00:55.02 | devbin | how do you do that? |
| 00:55.03 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.05 | Industrial | can macro that |
| 00:55.13 | devbin | ah I knew it was reloadUI soemthing or other |
| 00:55.15 | devbin | thats good enough |
| 00:55.18 | Industrial | some mods add slash commands like /reload or /rl for it |
| 00:55.41 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.41 | devbin | ok thats all I was used to then |
| 00:55.41 | WobWork | well not every time |
| 00:55.41 | WobWork | only if you add a file or new texture |
| 00:55.41 | WobWork | or change the xml |
| 00:55.49 | Industrial | what does that give? |
| 00:56.04 | Industrial | function: blah ? |
| 00:57.19 | devbin | I get function 37634672 in the main chat |
| 00:57.32 | devbin | thats not the exact number |
| 00:57.36 | devbin | yes |
| 00:57.38 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.41 | devbin | function blah :) |
| 00:57.58 | Industrial | then the function exists so you can execute it :> |
| 00:58.09 | Industrial | don't know why it wouldn't work at first though |
| 00:58.16 | devbin | nothing. |
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| 00:58.31 | Industrial | oh, what's message(), haven't seen that before |
| 00:58.37 | devbin | ... /script HelloWorld() does nothing |
| 00:59.11 | Industrial | well at least the files get loaded and the function exists |
| 00:59.32 | devbin | right, that we know for sure |
| 01:00.15 | Industrial | hmm, /script message('foo') gets me a big box with foo |
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| 01:01.57 | devbin | strange |
| 01:01.59 | devbin | that gives me nothing |
| 01:02.08 | Industrial | :s |
| 01:02.48 | devbin | maybe I should use the repair thing |
| 01:02.54 | Industrial | nah |
| 01:03.04 | Industrial | I bet its something else, not a broken client |
| 01:03.19 | Industrial | I started making addons by picking others' stuff apart |
| 01:03.37 | Industrial | there was a chat addon I wasn't happy with so I edited it to my liking |
| 01:03.42 | Industrial | it became my own chat addon |
| 01:03.43 | devbin | right, I get that |
| 01:04.00 | devbin | but if something as basic as this isnt working, how am I going to troubleshoot when I start writing my own |
| 01:04.02 | Industrial | im just replacing parts of the interface I don't like :D learn more every day |
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| 01:04.27 | Industrial | well, its just the message() function, this is the first time I've seen it :P |
| 01:07.40 | devbin | somethign else I can try to make sure I have some functionality |
| 01:07.45 | devbin | well,I guess my other mods work, so |
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| 01:08.16 | Industrial | does the ShowMeTheMoney addon work? |
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| 01:09.14 | devbin | wanted to get this one going first, I'll try this |
| 01:11.43 | Valaron|Work | Did you make sure that Error Messages in the Interface is not set to hidden? |
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| 01:11.56 | Valaron|Work | Sorry.. I'm behind. |
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| 01:14.40 | devbin | I turned on display lua errors and it shows up |
| 01:14.54 | devbin | ty |
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| 01:23.58 | Industrial | ah! forgot about that |
| 01:24.00 | Industrial | >_< |
| 01:26.56 | Valaron|Work | How could you? |
| 01:28.40 | Industrial | well first you don't do it, done. |
| 01:29.04 | Industrial | it, remembering, btw |
| 01:29.10 | Industrial | bah its getting too late |
| 01:29.30 | Thunder_Child | english, your forte, not |
| 01:29.37 | Valaron|Work | forte' |
| 01:30.06 | Industrial | anime watch now yes like I |
| 01:30.15 | Industrial | fate stay night first yes |
| 01:30.28 | Valaron|Work | Anyway.. Time to skitdaddle |
| 01:30.58 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was skidaddle |
| 01:31.06 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember a t |
| 01:31.12 | cogwheel | i thought it was skedaddle |
| 01:31.27 | Industrial | what's a skedaddle? |
| 01:31.29 | Thunder_Child | ski/ske, i stil dont remember a t |
| 01:31.30 | Industrial | can I have 2? |
| 01:31.41 | Thunder_Child | to leave/move on |
| 01:31.46 | Industrial | and a large fries |
| 01:31.58 | Thunder_Child | 1.to run away hurriedly; flee. |
| 01:31.58 | Thunder_Child | –noun |
| 01:31.58 | Thunder_Child | 2.a hasty flight. |
| 01:32.11 | Thunder_Child | yea, ske cogwheel |
| 01:32.20 | Industrial | medium coke |
| 01:32.38 | Thunder_Child | Industrial quiet...your making me hungry |
| 01:33.08 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 01:33.08 | purl | gives Shirik an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Shirik to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 01:33.30 | Thunder_Child | and you dont want to know where the apple is |
| 01:35.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:36.00 | Shirik | what I did? |
| 01:39.47 | cogwheel | probably nothing but i figure it was appropriate |
| 01:41.25 | Industrial | Ilyasviel von Einzbern |
| 01:41.26 | Industrial | why |
| 01:41.36 | Industrial | german in anime - spoken by japanese |
| 01:41.39 | Industrial | ots so horrible |
| 01:41.46 | Industrial | like my english |
| 01:41.48 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:41.49 | Industrial | but worse |
| 01:41.53 | Shirik | is that fate/stay night? |
| 01:41.56 | Industrial | yes |
| 01:41.57 | Industrial | :P |
| 01:42.02 | Shirik | she's fun :) |
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| 01:42.14 | Industrial | yes but she can't pronounce her own name for shit >_< |
| 01:42.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 01:52.37 | Cidan | sldkjasdkl |
| 01:54.30 | Industrial | asdfhlfjh |
| 01:54.39 | Industrial | Cidan: I need hl2 :P |
| 01:54.46 | Cidan | So go buy it |
| 01:54.47 | Cidan | :D |
| 01:54.51 | Cidan | Off of steam |
| 01:54.52 | Industrial | tomorrow T_T |
| 01:54.54 | Cidan | it's not even like |
| 01:54.55 | Cidan | 20 bucks |
| 01:55.55 | GofG | Cidan: YOU GONNA GET CREPED |
| 01:56.03 | GofG | YOU GONNA GET GRAPED |
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| 01:56.27 | GofG | arite? |
| 01:56.30 | GofG | amirite? rather |
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| 01:58.38 | Cidan | YOU GONNA GET DRAPPED? |
| 01:58.49 | GofG | You saw that thread too? |
| 01:59.08 | Cidan | Yep. |
| 01:59.10 | Cidan | Shh though |
| 01:59.13 | Cidan | R1&R2 |
| 01:59.13 | GofG | Jesus |
| 01:59.21 | GofG | I didn't think I'd actually be breaking rules 1+2 |
| 01:59.30 | ckknight | thread? |
| 01:59.31 | ckknight | link me |
| 01:59.33 | Cidan | Nothing |
| 01:59.35 | Cidan | Forget about it. |
| 01:59.38 | GofG | Nothing |
| 01:59.41 | ckknight | c'mon |
| 01:59.55 | GofG | www.tubgirl.com |
| 01:59.57 | GofG | that's the link. |
| 01:59.58 | Cidan | hah |
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| 02:00.02 | ckknight | ...no |
| 02:00.07 | GofG | fine |
| 02:00.15 | GofG | www.goatse.cks is the link. |
| 02:01.02 | Cidan | uh |
| 02:01.04 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:01.25 | GofG | :( I typed it in wrong |
| 02:01.35 | GofG | Guess I lost the link to the thread, sorry. |
| 02:01.41 | Cidan | -1 internets. |
| 02:02.00 | GofG | :( |
| 02:02.14 | YammYgirlcoding | guys! |
| 02:02.28 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone could explain me how to climb walls in wow? |
| 02:02.44 | cogwheel | that's an inappropriate question for this channel |
| 02:03.05 | Cidan | This channel is not about exploits, etc. |
| 02:03.10 | YammYgirlcoding | do u know a wow channel for this question? :/ |
| 02:03.14 | Cidan | No. |
| 02:03.19 | Cidan | Please stop asking, thanks. |
| 02:03.20 | cogwheel | yeah #idliketogetbanned |
| 02:03.32 | YammYgirlcoding | you guys are the smarter guys I know :( |
| 02:03.38 | GofG | YammYgirlcoding: www.tubgirl.com has a great guide for it. |
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| 02:03.57 | cogwheel | you know, i find that appropriate given the context |
| 02:04.03 | ckknight | http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/467155/ <-- magic eye picture |
| 02:04.04 | Cidan | Yeah, likely. |
| 02:04.12 | cogwheel | YammYgirlcoding: no one in here is going to help you exploit the game |
| 02:04.24 | cogwheel | imo you should be booted for persisting |
| 02:04.28 | GofG | I might. Not here though. Just to see you get banned |
| 02:04.36 | Cidan | jerk. |
| 02:04.37 | YammYgirlcoding | O.o |
| 02:04.39 | cogwheel | ~lart ckknight |
| 02:04.39 | purl | puts ckknight into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of ckknight's hair of |
| 02:04.47 | GofG | ROFL |
| 02:04.57 | GofG | YammYgirlcoding: What'dya think? Explain it well enough? |
| 02:05.06 | GofG | purl: off* |
| 02:05.20 | YammYgirlcoding | i didn't expected such huge hostility |
| 02:05.36 | GofG | ...we don't forgive, man |
| 02:05.55 | GofG | We're like, a legion of mean people or something |
| 02:06.03 | cogwheel | YammYgirlcoding: we don't discuss ways to violate blizzards rules. |
| 02:06.04 | Cidan | Well, you're talking to a bunch of people that went to Blizzcon and talked with Blizzard employees. cladhaire over there wrote a BOOK about the game, and is on his second one. |
| 02:06.19 | Cidan | We're all on the up and up here |
| 02:06.28 | ckknight | even me? |
| 02:06.32 | Cidan | Not you. |
| 02:06.35 | ckknight | aw. |
| 02:06.36 | Cidan | Back to your hole |
| 02:06.49 | YammYgirlcoding | book on wow about what? |
| 02:06.55 | cogwheel | addons |
| 02:06.56 | Cidan | UI's |
| 02:07.00 | YammYgirlcoding | cool ! |
| 02:07.30 | Legorol | guys, relax a bit.. |
| 02:07.38 | Thunder_Child | no..what he did was make it easier for people to screw with wow....like hello kitty UI's..... |
| 02:07.43 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding just asked a question, she understands now that it's not to be asked, that's enough |
| 02:07.46 | Legorol | don't have to rant at her |
| 02:08.03 | YammYgirlcoding | I saw a guy jumping on a corner by my side easily. I was just wondering how he did it. He did it many times. and I tried 100 times and didn't figure it out even once |
| 02:08.18 | Cidan | I remember this one time my old guild wanted to hold some event in Hyjal, I told them I wasn't going to violate the ToS for it. |
| 02:08.21 | Cidan | They called me a pussy. |
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| 02:08.30 | Legorol | not to mention that most of us are always interested in how exploits work, even if we don't use them |
| 02:08.33 | Legorol | let's face it |
| 02:08.34 | Cidan | Who's the pussy with the 3 day ban now, jerks? |
| 02:08.44 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:08.58 | GofG | b&. |
| 02:09.06 | Legorol | imo there's nothing wrong with theoretical discussions of exploits, and there have been a number of discussions of UI exploits in this channel |
| 02:09.08 | GofG | Did they enjoy their b&? |
| 02:09.12 | cogwheel | Legorol: in that case, i'd say pms |
| 02:09.26 | Legorol | depends on the nature of the exploit imo |
| 02:09.26 | cogwheel | I'm a bit uncomfortable sharing that kind of thing in here |
| 02:09.35 | Legorol | that's understandable |
| 02:09.41 | Legorol | the channel did grow |
| 02:09.49 | Legorol | when it was smaller, we talked about linkspoofing and whatnots |
| 02:10.10 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.22 | YammYgirlcoding | how jumping on a wall can be so harmfull, that I get 100 stones pointed to my head just for asking? |
| 02:10.28 | cogwheel | right-click on the drive and go to tools |
| 02:10.40 | Legorol | jumping on walls is considered harmful by blizzard, and they ahve lots of good reasons for it |
| 02:10.42 | Cidan | Saint-N, chkdsk |
| 02:10.50 | Legorol | asking how to do it out of curiousity is in and of itself not a sin |
| 02:10.57 | Legorol | you will probably not get a reply here |
| 02:11.02 | JoshBorke | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:11.02 | purl | strangles Shirik with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 02:11.08 | Legorol | but you also shouldn't get boiling water poured on you |
| 02:11.12 | Legorol | depends on why you are asking it too |
| 02:11.16 | Cidan | Awww |
| 02:11.30 | Legorol | if it's "curiousity is eating me", then imo ask away.. and don't expect an answer necessarily |
| 02:11.30 | GofG | hot oil ≠boiling water, cidan |
| 02:11.32 | GofG | you are still good. |
| 02:11.41 | Legorol | if it's "i wanna do it too!" then not worth asking :) |
| 02:11.46 | Cidan | Well I just assumed hot oil > water |
| 02:11.54 | Legorol | i agree |
| 02:12.13 | Thunder_Child | only if you plan on lighting it afterwards |
| 02:12.21 | YammYgirlcoding | aham. tell me none of you guys doesn't know how to, either. you guys will tell me that all of you are saints with wings and auras |
| 02:12.33 | cogwheel | I think my reaction was because the way it was asked sounded very much like "i want to do it too" |
| 02:12.51 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: i will tell you 100% honestly: |
| 02:12.55 | Legorol | i used to know how to do wallwalking |
| 02:12.56 | Cidan | Sure we know, I mean, I know I know. But it's not a matter of saint-hood and the likes, it's a matter of what we discuss in this channel |
| 02:12.57 | GofG | YammYgirlcoding: You just overstepped yourself, I think. |
| 02:13.05 | Legorol | when they changed the terrain mechanics, i never bothered to learn how to walljump |
| 02:13.10 | cogwheel | And that most recent comment of yours reinforced my opinion :| |
| 02:13.30 | Industrial | YammYgirlcoding: do you play US or EU? |
| 02:13.36 | Cidan | It's not a matter of vile, or being evil per se. It's just not a topic for discussion in this channel. |
| 02:13.40 | Cidan | The end. |
| 02:13.49 | Legorol | Cidan, i disagree |
| 02:13.53 | Cidan | Moving on---> who has Debian? |
| 02:13.56 | Cidan | if you do |
| 02:13.58 | Legorol | there are lots of thigns about walljumping that can be discussed in here |
| 02:13.59 | Cidan | you should try |
| 02:14.00 | Cidan | apt-get moo |
| 02:14.02 | Cidan | :D |
| 02:14.03 | GofG | Debian > Redhat |
| 02:14.08 | Legorol | just not necessarily the exact method |
| 02:14.10 | GofG | Debian >> Vista |
| 02:14.11 | YammYgirlcoding | i don't want to steel or exploit anything. I just saw a guy jumping on a wall by my side very easily, and got pissed to not beeing able to repeat it. |
| 02:14.18 | GofG | Debian ≥ Mac OSX |
| 02:14.31 | cladhaire | GofG: Do NOT link sites like that, unless you specify they are NSFW. A _LOT_ of the people in this channel are at work, or live with parents, and regardless of how recognizable the sites are.. they shoudl not be posted here without warning. |
| 02:14.37 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: if it's anything like wallwalking used to be, it's probably damn hard and needs a lot of practice |
| 02:14.45 | Cidan | Hah |
| 02:14.45 | GofG | cladhaire: My bad. :'( |
| 02:14.47 | Cidan | Epic lulz |
| 02:14.47 | Cidan | :D |
| 02:15.02 | GofG | Cidan: I did it for the lulz. |
| 02:15.03 | cogwheel | my philosophy about this channel is that it's essentially an extension of the WoW forums plus swearing, links to NSFW stuff and cross-locale communication... other than that, we respect blizz rules |
| 02:15.11 | Cidan | Oh man |
| 02:15.12 | Cidan | wtf |
| 02:15.13 | Cidan | WTF |
| 02:15.24 | Cidan | So the FCC puts forth rules for the 700Mhz |
| 02:15.26 | Cidan | right? |
| 02:15.30 | GofG | Right. |
| 02:15.30 | Cidan | Verizon doesn't like it. |
| 02:15.33 | Cidan | So what do they do? |
| 02:15.34 | GofG | Oh shi |
| 02:15.36 | Cidan | OH HEY GUYS |
| 02:15.38 | Cidan | LET'S SUE |
| 02:15.39 | GofG | THEY DO A BARREL ROLL!!!! |
| 02:15.51 | GofG | AMIRITE? |
| 02:15.53 | Cidan | No |
| 02:16.02 | GofG | they stick it.... |
| 02:16.05 | Cidan | They filed an appeal in DC |
| 02:16.07 | GofG | Oh |
| 02:16.07 | GofG | wow |
| 02:16.09 | GofG | wtf |
| 02:16.11 | Cidan | Right. |
| 02:16.37 | GofG | 700Mhz is old news though, right |
| 02:16.54 | GofG | aren't we up to the dozens of Ghz for cell phone use now? |
| 02:17.29 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:17.29 | purl | squeezes Shirik till Shirik turns blue like papa smurf |
| 02:18.13 | cogwheel | (actually, as an EE in training, Shirik might want to chime in on that one :P ) |
| 02:18.57 | GofG | Cidan: why did you head desk? |
| 02:19.13 | cogwheel | radio spectrum doesn't work like processor speed |
| 02:19.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is EE? |
| 02:19.39 | Thunder_Child | huh |
| 02:19.51 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
| 02:19.54 | Cidan | Where to begin |
| 02:20.05 | cogwheel | that's the impression i got... 'less he was just taking a class or something |
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| 02:20.09 | Shirik | CE |
| 02:20.12 | Shirik | which is partially EE, yes |
| 02:20.13 | Shirik | but in mag |
| 02:20.21 | Cidan | 700 Mhz has ridiculous range |
| 02:20.24 | Shirik | will answer later if you need |
| 02:20.38 | Cidan | It can penetrate barriers really well. |
| 02:20.44 | cogwheel | GofG: different frequencies have different properties |
| 02:20.49 | Cidan | What else Shirik? |
| 02:20.58 | Industrial | question: getting on top of the goldshire inn/blacksmith roof, this is ILLEGAL and will get you BANNEd ? |
| 02:21.02 | cogwheel | 700mhz happens to have a lot of desirable ones |
| 02:21.06 | Cidan | Industrial, Yes. |
| 02:21.17 | Legorol | Industrial: yes |
| 02:21.26 | Industrial | wow that's lame |
| 02:21.31 | GofG | Really? |
| 02:21.36 | Legorol | yarly |
| 02:21.40 | GofG | But I do that all the... I mean, those whores in GS are always breaking rules. |
| 02:21.42 | Industrial | its been in since 1.2, fix it if you don't like it? :| |
| 02:21.46 | Legorol | actually, let me rephrase |
| 02:21.51 | Legorol | it is illegal, and it *may* get you banned |
| 02:21.56 | Shirik | Cidan: SE |
| 02:21.58 | Shirik | or CS |
| 02:22.00 | Shirik | whatever you want to call it |
| 02:22.00 | Legorol | it's not guaranteed that you'll be banned ;-) |
| 02:22.12 | Cidan | SE CS? |
| 02:22.16 | Cidan | what are these things? |
| 02:22.20 | Cidan | I KNOW NOT WHAT YOU SPEAK OF |
| 02:22.22 | Thunder_Child | cumputer siences |
| 02:22.27 | cogwheel | A blue put it in good words at one point... If it takes a LOT of effort and practice and repeated jumping in the same spot it probably isn't something you're supposed to be doing |
| 02:22.30 | Thunder_Child | wow..cant spell worth shit |
| 02:22.35 | Cidan | ... |
| 02:22.38 | Cidan | I thought you were kidding. |
| 02:22.40 | Thunder_Child | /type |
| 02:22.42 | Legorol | Industrial: some things in the game are not fixable, some things are but not a priority, some things will be fixed but they haven't yet |
| 02:22.46 | Legorol | it doesn't change their legality |
| 02:22.59 | Thunder_Child | well what did you think CE is Cidan |
| 02:23.02 | Thunder_Child | same damn thing |
| 02:23.23 | Cidan | SE != CS |
| 02:23.32 | Industrial | im used to breaking everything in a game I can to gain an advantage - its called skill and knowledge, works in real life too. |
| 02:23.32 | Thunder_Child | though outside of hardware cant really see where you need EE integration |
| 02:23.33 | cogwheel | Industrial: there are specific terms in the ToU dealing with such exploits |
| 02:23.43 | Industrial | wow they'd go that far ;\ |
| 02:23.46 | Shirik | Cidan: Ok, both |
| 02:23.50 | Shirik | I know they're not the same |
| 02:23.53 | Shirik | but too many people think they are |
| 02:23.54 | Cidan | Shirik |
| 02:23.54 | Shirik | so I gave up |
| 02:23.55 | Cidan | you rean't |
| 02:23.57 | Cidan | aren't |
| 02:23.58 | Cidan | making |
| 02:23.59 | Cidan | any sense |
| 02:24.18 | cogwheel | Industrial: it goes beyond skill of playing the game when you're exploiting bugs in the models that are not generally accessible |
| 02:24.40 | Cidan | Oh right, I see what you did there. |
| 02:24.56 | Cidan | I was asking what else I was missing from 700Mhz |
| 02:25.00 | Cidan | not what else you were doing |
| 02:25.18 | Shirik | in mag, we're already short healers, I can't talk |
| 02:25.24 | Cidan | Pssshh |
| 02:25.40 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, http://gigaom.com/2007/03/14/700mhz-explained/ |
| 02:26.10 | cogwheel | Industrial: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 5.C.1 in particular... probably some others too |
| 02:27.24 | Industrial | so I can't use the interface code? its not documented! |
| 02:27.28 | Industrial | (just kidding) |
| 02:27.40 | Legorol | Industrial: unfortunately, you can, because there are special provisions for that in the ToU |
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| 02:28.12 | Cidan | God I love Synergy. |
| 02:29.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's that :o |
| 02:31.51 | Cidan | Do you have more than one computer? |
| 02:32.07 | Thrae | Yes, a laptop and a server. |
| 02:32.32 | Thrae | Besides this computer, which is my gaming/workstation. |
| 02:32.49 | Cidan | You can setup up one computer to be the server, and all others to be the client. You can then move your mouse off screen and onto the OTHER computer screen, just like multi monitor setups |
| 02:33.02 | Cidan | It works like a charm, no slow downs or hiccups |
| 02:33.13 | Cidan | keyboard works depending on what screen you have your mouse on |
| 02:34.01 | Cidan | It really feels just like multi-monitor setups |
| 02:34.46 | Thrae | Eh, I'll stick with my two dualhead cards in my gaming/workstation. But I could use something like Cidan is talking about to use my laptop's screen from my desktop as an "extended monitor". |
| 02:34.56 | Cidan | Well you can do that too |
| 02:35.05 | Cidan | You can have multi-monitor setups AND Synergy |
| 02:35.10 | Thrae | I'm already trying to figure out what to do with the 4 active monitors I have connected to my gaming/workstation. |
| 02:35.27 | Cidan | you can define what edge the mouse goes off of and onto the other screen |
| 02:35.48 | Thunder_Child | doesnt really work like that...it wont be an extended worktop because it will be on a seperate machine |
| 02:35.53 | Cidan | Right |
| 02:36.07 | Cidan | But it's nice for say, another machine without having to use a KVM |
| 02:36.15 | Cidan | or a laptop |
| 02:36.37 | Thunder_Child | oh, dont get me wrong it's handy as hell, but it doesnt do everything |
| 02:36.51 | Cidan | Surely, you can't drag windows across, obviously, etc |
| 02:37.00 | Cidan | so it doesn't replace multi view, but it's nice. |
| 02:37.15 | Thunder_Child | you might beable to drag them across depending on what it is |
| 02:37.27 | Cidan | er, lolwut? |
| 02:37.28 | Thunder_Child | a txt file..maybe |
| 02:37.41 | Thunder_Child | dont forget this program is connected over lan |
| 02:37.51 | Cidan | Synergy doesn't support it |
| 02:37.59 | Cidan | it'd be hacky to do so anyways |
| 02:38.08 | Shirik|AFK | what the hell is wrong with people |
| 02:38.11 | Shirik|AFK | can't click stupid boxes |
| 02:38.12 | Thunder_Child | more like flawless |
| 02:38.13 | Shirik|AFK | it's not hard! |
| 02:38.15 | Thrae | XP is pretty good at multi-monitor setups. I have three monitors in a row, and 1 monitor on a perch up top, and I set it so going upwards puts my mouse on the monitor on top. |
| 02:38.21 | Shirik|AFK | (sorry had to vent, but seriously) |
| 02:38.29 | Cidan | Thrae, yep. |
| 02:38.38 | Cidan | I need a few more LCD's |
| 02:38.55 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i could get 12 monitors with 2 vid cards |
| 02:39.54 | Thunder_Child | it would still be only 4 max desktops but each one would be spread across 3 screens |
| 02:45.43 | Industrial | whee fate stay night ep12 it gets more erious between saber/shirou :O? |
| 02:45.55 | Industrial | lets find out... |
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| 03:10.47 | Thunder_Child | torchwood, is so freakin weird...and the copper is such a whiny bitch |
| 03:15.02 | Arelenda | Hey there, does anyone have experience with the SPELLCAST_x events? I'm trying to update an addon that uses them, but most of the functionality seems to have been changed in 2.0 |
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| 03:16.06 | Arelenda | I'm trying to track spellcasts, but I'm getting all kinds of weird results when monitoring events |
| 03:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Such as? |
| 03:19.40 | Arelenda | well, none of the SPELLCAST ones seem to fire |
| 03:20.04 | Arelenda | for one. |
| 03:21.21 | clad|sleep | use devtools, and /dtevents |
| 03:21.28 | Arelenda | thanks |
| 03:21.29 | clad|sleep | and you can see exactly what events DO fire with what arguments |
| 03:21.32 | clad|sleep | ~devtools |
| 03:21.33 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 03:21.55 | clad|sleep | once loaded, run /dtevents and you'll get a window that logs all your events. |
| 03:22.41 | Arelenda | *nod* I'll get back to work. Thanks for pointing me on the right track |
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| 03:40.59 | Shirik | clad|sleep: ping, even though it says "sleep" |
| 03:41.07 | clad|sleep | hi |
| 03:48.03 | Arelenda | ok, found my problem. Seems I was looking at "SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" but in 2.0 it's been changed to UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 03:48.39 | Arelenda | and fires for party/raid members as well. |
| 03:49.51 | JoshBorke | Arelenda: fires for all first class units as i would call them. player/target/focus/pet/party/partypet(?)/raid/raidpet(?)/ |
| 03:49.57 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... round two of the thunderstorms from hell is coming |
| 03:51.27 | Cidan | eh |
| 03:51.29 | Arelenda | Josh: thanks |
| 03:51.36 | Cidan | so Fortress Forever is a bit of a let down |
| 03:51.42 | Cidan | the turrets are slow to fire |
| 03:51.44 | Cidan | and sooo weak |
| 03:51.53 | Arelenda | so.. if I want to write a mod that tracks all spellcasts by all players in my raid, and monitor their resist rates |
| 03:52.06 | Thunder_Child | 1st, stop trying to compaire it to the origional |
| 03:52.14 | Thunder_Child | 2ns, thats what patches are for |
| 03:52.17 | Thunder_Child | 2nd* |
| 03:52.29 | Cidan | psh, why else would I play it, original content? |
| 03:52.37 | Arelenda | I'd monitor UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT (to obtain their targets) UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED (and count these for spell casts) and the combat events for resist messages. |
| 03:52.38 | Kaydeethree | <3 wunderground... http://tinyurl.com/3ay89v |
| 03:52.46 | Thunder_Child | not origional, similar |
| 03:53.03 | Arelenda | does that sound about right? |
| 03:53.24 | Kaydeethree | the radar can't see past where the storms stop there, there's more past it according to regional |
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| 04:01.35 | JoshBorke | Shirik: wb |
| 04:03.20 | JoshBorke | night all |
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| 04:20.21 | cogwheel | Kaydeethree: you're a ptr expert... if you can successfully record and play a test sound in voice chat, is there any reason no one should be able to hear you or vice versa? |
| 04:22.20 | cogwheel | anyone want to come on test server pve alliance to help me and esamynn? |
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| 04:30.36 | Esamynn | Iriel: come help cog and I test my sound again, please :) |
| 04:30.57 | Iriel | In a bit.. patching up my laptop |
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| 04:37.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've gotta find out what addon makes a wine cork popping occasionally |
| 04:37.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and what that is that says "hey i think we need to spend some time apart blah blah" but i think that's an imp :O |
| 04:37.54 | Shirik|zZz | That's your imp |
| 04:37.57 | Shirik|zZz | and it's blizzard-created |
| 04:38.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | what about the wine cork |
| 04:38.15 | Shirik|zZz | no clue |
| 04:38.16 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 04:38.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 04:38.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | floomp |
| 04:38.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | floomp floomp |
| 04:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | every now and then during a raid |
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| 05:33.12 | Thunder_Child | so bored... |
| 05:33.17 | Thunder_Child | ~bored |
| 05:33.17 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 05:33.32 | Thunder_Child | oh right...keep forgeting that doesnt apply |
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| 05:41.48 | Guillotine | OMG |
| 05:41.52 | Guillotine | you have to telnet into telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl/ |
| 05:42.11 | Guillotine | or just towel.blinkenlights.nl if you're not clicking |
| 05:42.32 | cogwheel | wow... i can't believe how gimped cogwheel is on the ptr... i was totally massacreed by a rogue with rez sickness :\ |
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| 05:46.21 | Wobwor1 | hehe |
| 05:46.26 | Wobwor1 | latest xkcd == win |
| 05:52.54 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 05:53.04 | cogwheel | nn |
| 05:54.57 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
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| 06:01.38 | Thunder_Child | although Cairenn, should really say "good night people" vs guys |
| 06:02.15 | Iriel | guys has become fairly gender neutral |
| 06:02.29 | Iriel | Oh |
| 06:02.38 | Iriel | Hm, never mind |
| 06:02.49 | Thunder_Child | what were you thinking? |
| 06:03.06 | Tierrie | i was thinking "bearer of the wangs" |
| 06:03.17 | Thunder_Child | so glad i didnt ask you |
| 06:03.21 | Tierrie | or Wang Bearers |
| 06:03.24 | Tierrie | or just Bangs |
| 06:03.32 | Tierrie | :( |
| 06:03.37 | Thunder_Child | wang aka penis |
| 06:03.40 | Tierrie | i don't understand why my opinion is so underrated |
| 06:03.42 | Thunder_Child | hence my comment |
| 06:04.57 | Thunder_Child | that or your talking about carrying asian people |
| 06:05.09 | Tierrie | haha |
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| 06:10.33 | Wobwor1 | ç‹æ‹…æ¶ |
| 06:15.54 | Iriel | Goodnight |
| 06:20.40 | Wobwor1 | å†è§ |
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| 06:29.18 | bleeter | WobWork: bah, that's easy... I learned French in two months! I AM TEH SMARTERZ! ;) |
| 06:31.03 | bleeter | oO Esamynn broke cog's comp! |
| 06:32.12 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
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| 06:33.30 | bleeter | lucky post #13 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602201524&sid=1 |
| 06:34.23 | Esamynn | bleeter: huh? |
| 06:34.28 | Esamynn | oh, that |
| 06:34.31 | Thunder_Child | more like mad spam |
| 06:34.43 | Esamynn | bleeter: no, it was just me, his voice chat works fine |
| 06:35.04 | WobWork | bleeter: 什么？ |
| 06:35.17 | Esamynn | bleeter: and I found out that my problem was 2-fold, the client was borked, yes, but the re-install fixed that, I also had a network conectivity problem |
| 06:35.51 | Thunder_Child | Learn2Network |
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| 06:38.17 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: more like, Learn2BendMyNetworkToMyWill |
| 06:38.29 | Esamynn | which I believe I have now done 8) |
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| 06:38.31 | Thunder_Child | it should always be like that |
| 06:38.45 | WobWork | I read that as "To My Wii" |
| 06:39.22 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: they say computers don't have minds of their own, will my experiences indicate otherwise... |
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| 06:40.09 | bleeter | WobWork: bah, now you're just showing off for a political advantage! |
| 06:40.23 | Thunder_Child | heh, just because it's not doing what you want doesnt mean it has a mind of it's own |
| 06:40.28 | WobWork | bleeter: 对 |
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| 06:40.49 | bleeter | WobWork: now we see how the Unions rule you! |
| 06:41.03 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: ahh, but when it WILL NOT do something 2 months ago, and WILL do it now? |
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| 06:41.49 | Thunder_Child | something has changed...and it is *ALWAYS* PEBKAC |
| 06:42.41 | Esamynn | PEBKAC? |
| 06:43.06 | WobWork | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 06:43.11 | Cairenn|afk | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 06:43.17 | Thunder_Child | bah, they beat me to it |
| 06:43.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:43.26 | WobWork | You could type it out anyway =) |
| 06:43.32 | WobWork | that always leads to amusing internets |
| 06:43.33 | Cairenn|afk | similar to eye dee ten tee error |
| 06:43.55 | bleeter | belief? FACT! |
| 06:44.03 | Esamynn | bleeter: indeed |
| 06:44.41 | bleeter | the number of times I've seen comps fix themselves when threatened with a philips head screwdriver/rubber chicken/axe proves it to me |
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| 06:45.40 | bleeter | gnight Cairenn|afk, rest well |
| 06:45.42 | Thunder_Child | if they havent figured it out by now they never will |
| 06:45.42 | WobWork | we saw through that trick ages ago |
| 06:45.44 | Esamynn | hey Cairenn|afk, GO TO BED :) |
| 06:45.48 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 06:45.50 | Thunder_Child | whos bed? |
| 06:45.59 | bleeter | mine! mine! mine! |
| 06:46.01 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 06:46.01 | purl | duct-tapes Thunder_Child to the floor and drools on him |
| 06:46.11 | Thunder_Child | ewww |
| 06:47.25 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 06:47.30 | Cairenn|afk | night Esamynn |
| 06:47.36 | Esamynn | BED! |
| 06:47.41 | Cairenn|afk | heh, going |
| 06:48.05 | WobWork | and no reading under the covers with a flashlight! |
| 06:48.15 | Cairenn|afk | awwwww! |
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| 06:49.49 | bleeter | WobWork: fish + chips + really hot chili sauce = amusement |
| 06:50.06 | bleeter | er.. sauce + seagul = ... |
| 06:52.50 | WobWork | hehe |
| 06:52.54 | WobWork | good to see the amendment |
| 06:53.08 | WobWork | otherwise I was thinking "Man, that Bleeter knows how to have a good time!" |
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| 07:32.14 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak babeye |
| 07:32.14 | ThraeBot | Srosh: babeye is not the character you are looking for! |
| 07:32.34 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak Babeye |
| 07:32.35 | ThraeBot | Srosh: I just said that 20s ago. |
| 07:32.48 | Srosh | Hrm, update your DB, ThraeBot! :P |
| 07:34.49 | bleeter | http://pizdaus.com/pics/8XCzrnQ6fzg8.jpg |
| 07:36.41 | Maldivia | bleeter: I'll take a Mac then |
| 07:41.41 | Thunder_Child | Srosh, it cant get any info untill lvl 10 |
| 07:41.53 | Srosh | Ah, I see. |
| 07:42.05 | Thunder_Child | the armory doesnt display any untill then |
| 07:42.34 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i'll take vista and whore it out |
| 07:42.44 | Thunder_Child | any info untill* |
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| 07:54.18 | Saint-N | man i hate some of my clients |
| 07:54.58 | Saint-N | i go over and hook up this kvm for this guy so he can swap between mac and pc, then setup file sharing and auto sync backup between 2 external drives making them accessible from both pc and mac |
| 07:56.22 | Saint-N | his laptop cant do widescreen display, so after i leave he starts fucking around iwht it and managed to mess up his mac display AND his pc display and he has the gall to blame me for the mess up saying "i dont feel that good about paying you for work when it's broken like this" despite saying 2 emails prior that HE was messing with it and fucked it up |
| 07:57.04 | Saint-N | and somehow he figures that its the little 2comp splitter for keyboard/monitor thats caused all the problems not the fact that he messed with the settings and doesnt know2 how to correct it and wouldnt believe me when i said his pc laptop couldnt do widescreen display |
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| 08:10.25 | Corrodias | i'm exhausted |
| 08:10.32 | Corrodias | i'd like to care, but i just can't. :( |
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| 08:17.09 | Saint-N | heh thats okay i dont much care either |
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| 09:06.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 09:07.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | quake wars is officially awesome |
| 09:07.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i midaired a strogg aerial vehicle with a freaking tank |
| 09:07.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was the most metal thing ever |
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| 09:31.11 | Kaso | Thats rather un-called for! |
| 09:31.17 | Kaso | Think of the poor clown |
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| 09:37.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | he died of natural causes |
| 09:37.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just picked him up off the side of the road and froze him for clobberin purposes |
| 09:37.56 | Kaso | hah, well in that case i can let it go |
| 09:38.36 | cryogen | morning |
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| 10:33.22 | foxlit|mac | I caught myself doing t:concat();, remembering that doesn't work, and replacing with table.concat(t,) |
| 10:33.36 | foxlit|mac | Which raises a question: why isn't concat in the metatable for all tables? |
| 10:42.20 | foxlit|mac | Hm, I wonder |
| 10:42.27 | Kaso | hmm, interesting |
| 10:42.34 | foxlit|mac | You could in theory do some highly optimized mipmaping with BLP files |
| 10:43.15 | foxlit|mac | Wonder how wow would chose which image to display |
| 10:45.32 | Kaso | I cant think of a good reason why table libery isnt metatabled onto all tables. |
| 10:46.32 | foxlit|mac | I seem to remember that some elements of it are available anyway |
| 10:46.40 | foxlit|mac | just not everything, which is what's weird |
| 10:47.25 | sag_ich_nicht | in before you discover a big secret. |
| 10:48.18 | Kaso | > t:concat() |
| 10:48.18 | Kaso | stdin:1: attempt to call method 'concat' (a nil value) |
| 10:48.18 | Kaso | > t:insert(1,1) |
| 10:48.18 | Kaso | stdin:1: attempt to call method 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 10:48.18 | Kaso | > t:maxn() |
| 10:48.19 | Kaso | stdin:1: attempt to call method 'maxn' (a nil value) |
| 10:48.21 | Kaso | > t:remove(1) |
| 10:48.23 | Kaso | stdin:1: attempt to call method 'remove' (a nil value) |
| 10:48.25 | Kaso | > t:sort() |
| 10:48.27 | Kaso | stdin:1: attempt to call method 'sort' (a nil value) |
| 10:48.33 | Kaso | Nothing of the table lib is availble as far as i can see |
| 10:48.42 | foxlit|mac | I could be thinking of strings |
| 10:49.12 | Kaso | You could be |
| 10:49.33 | Kaso | But you still have a good point, why is it done for strings but not tables |
| 10:49.39 | Kaso | no good reason why not that i can see |
| 10:49.57 | foxlit|mac | Strings are less conflict-prone |
| 10:50.03 | foxlit|mac | whereas |
| 10:50.23 | foxlit|mac | t = {concat = function() doNastyStuffToKittens(); end} t:concat(); -- may not do what you want |
| 10:51.07 | foxlit|mac | Anyhow, have to pack shop for now, exciting math awaits |
| 10:51.12 | Kaso | but surely for anything like that'd happen i'd require deliberate (malicous?) tampering, and it'd be just as easy to do the same to table.concat ? |
| 10:51.33 | Kaso | i guess i get what your sayingm its common to have functions in tables so its more likely to over-lap whereas not for strings |
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| 10:53.25 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 10:53.38 | Kaso | morning |
| 10:55.13 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait he's gone. |
| 10:55.40 | Kaso | I just posed the question to #lua see if we get any more insight from them |
| 11:00.43 | Kaso | <iazzi> for a bunch of motives, first of all that tables have individual metatables, so that would need to change the table constructor semantics |
| 11:01.57 | Kaso | <iazzi> the "table" table is not requested to run Lua |
| 11:01.57 | Kaso | <iazzi> so it would change the constructor only after it is loaded. and other tables would remain as they were... it would be a mess |
| 11:02.02 | Kaso | There you go |
| 11:09.31 | sag_ich_nicht | aww, you missed the big secret :X |
| 11:09.57 | sag_ich_nicht | it shall be forever hidden from you in that case, and come next tuesday you will never be able to discover it :X |
| 11:11.02 | Kaso | hmm? |
| 11:11.05 | Kaso | im confused |
| 11:13.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i can not tell you more, for if i do i call upon myself the WRATH of the blue gods. |
| 11:13.25 | Kaso | wel thats a shame |
| 11:13.47 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
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| 11:27.58 | JoshBorke | i must a did |
| 11:28.01 | JoshBorke | what all my friends say |
| 11:29.13 | JoshBorke | guten morgen |
| 11:29.44 | zenzelezz | wie gehts? |
| 11:29.53 | Kalroth | guten tag, Josh! |
| 11:30.12 | JoshBorke | es geht gut, und du? |
| 11:30.32 | zenzelezz | JoshBorke bist kein handschuh gewesen |
| 11:30.40 | zenzelezz | okay, I've exhausted my German |
| 11:31.11 | JoshBorke | yea, you lost me on your last sentence |
| 11:31.22 | zenzelezz | no-one gets that one :-p |
| 11:31.33 | zenzelezz | my friend back in high school used to say it... no idea how he came up with it |
| 11:31.45 | zenzelezz | but it's fun to toss it at people who know the language |
| 11:31.52 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 11:48.14 | JoshBorke | what's a good addon to manage enabling/disabling other addons? |
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| 11:56.57 | Industrial | I need to move the minimap with the border - but I don't want to move MinimapCluster. |
| 11:57.01 | Industrial | has anyone done this? |
| 11:57.20 | Industrial | or can I get MinimapCluster's children? |
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| 12:06.15 | zenzelezz | do you mean *only* the circular border? |
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| 12:06.52 | foxlit|mac | Industrial: didn't you ask already? :) |
| 12:07.41 | foxlit|mac | MinimapBackdrop:ClearAllPoints(); MinimapBackdrop:SetPoint("CENTER", Minimap); |
| 12:07.48 | foxlit|mac | then move Minimap however you want. |
| 12:08.12 | Industrial | yeah when I do that the back |
| 12:08.15 | Industrial | oh backdrop. |
| 12:08.17 | Industrial | k |
| 12:08.36 | Kaso | Fox, if you're interested i asked in #lua about the table metatable thing earlier |
| 12:09.01 | foxlit|mac | mm, isn't most of #lua here as well? :) |
| 12:09.08 | foxlit|mac | Regardless, what did they say? |
| 12:09.10 | Industrial | I did it with MinimapBorder :> |
| 12:09.11 | Kaso | <iazzi> for a bunch of motives, first of all that tables have individual metatables, so that would need to change the table constructor semantics |
| 12:09.11 | Kaso | <iazzi> the "table" table is not requested to run Lua |
| 12:09.11 | Kaso | <iazzi> so it would change the constructor only after it is loaded. and other tables would remain as they were... it would be a mess |
| 12:11.35 | foxlit|mac | requested=required? |
| 12:14.04 | Kaso | I wasnt totally sure about that, i was sorta thinking that the table table is only loaded into memory upon its first use, not loaded at start, thus "requested" |
| 12:14.17 | Kaso | but im not sure how sensible a design that'd be so i couldve been required |
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| 12:52.09 | zenzelezz | You feel the core of your being shift as the source makes room for a divine presence. Lopeppeppy has entered the channel. |
| 12:52.35 | Cidan | Does anyone here have Joost? |
| 12:53.08 | zenzelezz | wonder if anyone in here even knows where I stole that line from :-( |
| 12:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz. It sounds like a GM entrance line, but I doubt that's the origin. |
| 12:53.37 | zenzelezz | correct, it's not |
| 12:54.13 | zenzelezz | it's the someone-hit-max-level introduced with the first AO expansion, Shadowlands. Whenever someone hit level 220 the server broadcast a global message saying that that person had reached enlightenment |
| 12:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... I don't even know what AO is, so I'm very non-enlightened. |
| 12:55.00 | zenzelezz | many people don't :-p Anarchy Online, the old sci-fi MMO |
| 12:55.23 | zenzelezz | this summer was the sixth anniversary since its release |
| 12:55.59 | Cidan | it was a good game |
| 12:56.21 | zenzelezz | I'm biased about it since it was my first MMO, but I loved it, despite several shortcomings |
| 12:56.35 | zenzelezz | it didn't try to be another EQ-like game |
| 12:56.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'm such an MMO noob, WoW was my first. |
| 12:57.34 | Cidan | MUD's were my first. :P |
| 12:57.43 | Punkie` | mine too :D |
| 12:57.47 | Punkie` | MUDs ftw :D |
| 12:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | Well... I didn't know MUDs counted. I did that in college, so maybe I'm not a noob after all. |
| 12:58.15 | zenzelezz | before Anarchy Online my only multiplayer experiences were RTS games and a bit of Half-Life |
| 12:58.36 | Punkie` | Lopeppeppy: well it's still multi user :) |
| 12:58.43 | Cidan | isn't AO free now? |
| 12:58.47 | zenzelezz | sort of |
| 12:58.55 | zenzelezz | but only the original game, you can't use expansion stuff |
| 12:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | No, I was alone! |
| 12:59.06 | zenzelezz | also can't enter expansion zones etc |
| 12:59.28 | Punkie` | Lopeppeppy: ah well, you played in a D then :D |
| 13:00.00 | Cidan | I want a good MMO where you can fly in space just as well as you can walk on land |
| 13:00.12 | Cidan | like if there was something like EVE, only you could walk on land |
| 13:00.23 | Cidan | And I don't mean stupid SWG |
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| 13:00.55 | zenzelezz | maybe that new German thing will be all right for that |
| 13:01.06 | zenzelezz | can't seem to remember the name right now |
| 13:02.03 | Cidan | hmm |
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| 13:05.31 | zenzelezz | Black Prophecy |
| 13:05.34 | zenzelezz | was the name |
| 13:05.49 | Cidan-laptop | so my friend told me marksmanship sucks for hunters. |
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| 13:05.54 | Cidan-laptop | True/false? |
| 13:06.00 | zenzelezz | for what role? |
| 13:06.08 | Cidan-laptop | leveling, general play |
| 13:06.38 | zenzelezz | think BM is the general leveling build, and also good for PvE DPS I hear... not sure about what's best for PvP and the rest |
| 13:06.44 | bleeter | http://2007.crikey.com.au/Media/images/070915-scourge1-98b4bfd1-6a18-4cc2-a44b-0cbe9e66fb02.jpg |
| 13:07.12 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 13:08.16 | Wraanger | Cidan ...BM is best for leveling / farming |
| 13:08.27 | Wraanger | raiding / PvP - marks or surv |
| 13:08.32 | Cidan-laptop | boo |
| 13:08.34 | Cidan-laptop | okay. |
| 13:08.42 | Cidan-laptop | 'cause I totally was looking forward to pewpewpew |
| 13:18.47 | cryogen | Cidan-laptop: there's plenty of pew pew in marksmanship |
| 13:18.59 | cryogen | it doesnt suck for levelling, its just not as easy as bm |
| 13:19.20 | Cidan-laptop | easy > cool |
| 13:19.34 | cryogen | quite :) |
| 13:20.07 | amro | marks is good for levelling at later levels |
| 13:20.14 | Wraanger | with marks leveling becomes sitting on ass much of the time (( |
| 13:20.18 | amro | but don't expect to solo elites as easily |
| 13:20.35 | Wraanger | until like ...65+ when you can stack mp5 for some amount |
| 13:20.52 | Cidan-laptop | right well |
| 13:20.55 | Cidan-laptop | BM it is |
| 13:21.22 | amro | screw mp5, I never understood why hunters need it. FD + drink imo |
| 13:22.33 | Wraanger | mp5 >> FD+drink |
| 13:22.51 | Wraanger | cause it is ALWAYS in effect ..when you kiting, running etc etc etc |
| 13:23.06 | Cidan-laptop | OH YEAH, I get FD, don't I? :d |
| 13:23.10 | Cidan-laptop | :D even |
| 13:23.19 | amro | you get FD at level 30 |
| 13:23.23 | Wraanger | FD is a cheat ;) |
| 13:23.34 | amro | if you're running or kiting you're not likely to need mana, unless you're kiting a pally/shammy |
| 13:23.50 | Wraanger | last time in Kara on wolfie ....our hunter got transformed like 5 times ..and 5 times he just FD .... |
| 13:23.53 | amro | also, you don't need to sacrifice other stats for mp5 |
| 13:24.06 | zenzelezz | you talking PvP or PvE? |
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| 13:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | If I don't have Kung Pao Cat for dinner, it's going to be a miracle. My beloved pet is cruising to be flayed. |
| 13:52.03 | art3mis | bobby flayed? |
| 13:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | No... he's too fancy. |
| 13:52.26 | art3mis | really i always thought it was because he's gay |
| 13:53.07 | art3mis | you get that way if you eat enough cilantro i hear |
| 13:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | I don't feed my cat cilantro.... unless it's in the stuffing... |
| 13:54.58 | art3mis | well thats good i guess |
| 13:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | Unless I'm planning to slow roast her like a turkey, and I'm playing the Witch from Hansel and Gretel. |
| 13:56.30 | art3mis | better get to work on sugar coating your house |
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| 13:56.39 | art3mis | you cant do things like that half assed |
| 13:56.41 | art3mis | ;) |
| 13:58.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm not too worried about the decorating details.... just revenge. |
| 13:59.01 | art3mis | oh well thats alright then |
| 13:59.18 | art3mis | just remember to ride the broom it goes horizontal |
| 13:59.33 | art3mis | veritcle just makes you a perv |
| 13:59.50 | art3mis | but thats not to say we don't want pics or a video as proof |
| 14:00.03 | Lopeppeppy | Brooms are outdated. Floo Powder. |
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| 14:01.13 | art3mis | have yous een those commercials for the magical spinning duster? |
| 14:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | No, and the very idea frightens me. |
| 14:01.43 | art3mis | heh |
| 14:02.02 | art3mis | its kind of scary specially if you let your mind wander for just a little bit |
| 14:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I'm doing my work now, yup. |
| 14:05.21 | Cidan-laptop | Magic spinning duster, eh? |
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| 14:13.12 | Rallion | LOTRO deals with heavy server load by decreasing NPC pop-in distance, apparently |
| 14:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | This means, in practice...? |
| 14:20.54 | zenzelezz | the closer you have to be to an NPC to "see it" (in ther server's eyes) the less data they need to send |
| 14:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... that makes more sense. |
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| 14:23.57 | Shirik|zZz | Why does DBM show up in blue in the addon list? |
| 14:24.30 | Punkie` | because they want it too? |
| 14:24.41 | Shirik | is that all? |
| 14:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | A few different mods have done that over the years... there's no pattern, it must be in the coding of the mod to have it do that. |
| 14:24.43 | zenzelezz | color code in name string? |
| 14:24.53 | Shirik | strange strange people |
| 14:24.55 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:25.03 | Shirik | I was just wondering if there was something WoW was detecting |
| 14:25.19 | Lopeppeppy | They want to stand out in the crowd! ... but no, I think it's just that they coded it to be blue. |
| 14:25.46 | Shirik | that's exactly what it is Lopeppeppy |
| 14:25.51 | Shirik | "Oh look we're cool we're in blue" |
| 14:25.58 | Shirik | it's a subconcious advertising mechanism |
| 14:26.25 | |Jelly| | so hack DBM and change it back. :P |
| 14:26.26 | Shirik | negative |
| 14:27.36 | Wraanger | just colorcode in .toc file ..that';s all |
| 14:35.33 | Josh_Borke | morning shirik |
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| 14:38.39 | Shirik | !api GetAddonMetadata |
| 14:38.40 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAddonMetadata |
| 14:39.16 | ts|skrom_ | !api GetAddOnMetaData |
| 14:39.17 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAddOnMetaData |
| 14:39.17 | ts|skrom_ | ? |
| 14:39.19 | ts|skrom_ | no |
| 14:39.24 | Shirik | it doesn't have a page |
| 14:39.34 | Shirik | it just has the little stub in the API list, that's it |
| 14:39.45 | ts|skrom_ | sure it does |
| 14:39.47 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAddOnMetadata |
| 14:39.54 | ts|skrom_ | !api GetAddOnMetadata |
| 14:39.54 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: value = GetAddOnMetadata("addon", "field") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAddOnMetadata |
| 14:39.55 | Shirik | bleh |
| 14:39.59 | Shirik | when I clicked it, it didn't work T_T |
| 14:40.00 | ts|skrom_ | just have to capitalize right :P |
| 14:40.03 | Shirik | oh right |
| 14:40.10 | zenzelezz | if you can't type the name right then use the API page :-p |
| 14:45.17 | ts|skrom_ | !c us uldum dalet |
| 14:45.19 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Dalet, Level 49 Night Elf Druid (0/29/11). 2348 HP; 2299 Mana; 82 mana regen; 618 AP; 103.500 Melee DPS; 16.71% melee crit; 19.44% dodge; 5 arcane resist; 15 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 661 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2558aw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qchen ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 10:58:11 2007 EST ]] |
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| 14:46.05 | ts|skrom_ | !v us uldum dalet us uldum treston |
| 14:46.15 | ts|skrom_ | oops |
| 14:46.23 | ts|skrom_ | !vs us uldum dalet us uldum treston |
| 14:46.25 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Dalet vs Treston! Treston has +14 lvls on Dalet (49 vs 63); A L49 druid and a L63 paladin square off!; 0/29/11 vs 44/10/0; Treston wins by 631 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:46.37 | ts|skrom_ | ccc I love hypothetical matchups |
| 14:47.40 | Industrial | TBR ? |
| 14:47.53 | zenzelezz | ~tbr |
| 14:47.54 | purl | somebody said tbr was ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 14:48.00 | |Jelly| | Thrae's fake hacking method of letting Shirik win all the time. |
| 14:48.01 | Industrial | ah |
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| 14:48.21 | Shirik | hey |Jelly| I got even more stuff lately |
| 14:48.21 | Industrial | !c eu Vashj Xamth |
| 14:48.23 | ThraeBot | Industrial: Xamth, Level 18 Draenei Shaman (0/9/0). 494 HP; 691 Mana; 56 mana regen; 24.000 Melee DPS; 9.36% melee crit; 5.60% dodge; 4.80% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 138 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2gpoxb ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2m2q9h ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 11:01:15 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:48.26 | Shirik | so my TBR should have dropped |
| 14:48.29 | Industrial | *flex* |
| 14:48.33 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion Jelly |
| 14:48.34 | Industrial | =D |
| 14:48.37 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; Jelly wins by 481 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:48.42 | Shirik | =P |
| 14:48.45 | Josh_Borke | pwned |
| 14:48.47 | |Jelly| | Holy. Crap. |
| 14:48.56 | Josh_Borke | !vs us stormreaver dagh us drenden kimina |
| 14:48.59 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Dagh vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/2/45 vs 23/38/0; Dagh wins by 701 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:48.59 | Shirik | I wonder what I logged out with |
| 14:49.03 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 14:49.04 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5661 HP; 9090 Mana; 429 mana regen; 162 mp5; 135 +spell dmg; 1254 +heal; 5.66% dodge;[[ TBR: 458 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 11:01:27 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:49.11 | Shirik | oops |
| 14:49.22 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.24 | Shirik | probably could have buffed, heh |
| 14:49.24 | Industrial | :3 |
| 14:49.39 | |Jelly| | Only cheaters buff and log off! |
| 14:49.45 | Josh_Borke | oh man, i was kicking ass in SSC last night |
| 14:49.51 | Josh_Borke | we had like our worst members though |
| 14:50.20 | Shirik | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 14:50.21 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6761 HP; 10095 Mana; 351 mana regen; 124 mp5; 94 +spell dmg; 1627 +heal; 5.62% dodge; 18 resilience; +25 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 938 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bg5dv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36pszu ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 11:01:29 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:50.31 | Shirik | are you in pvp gear.... |
| 14:50.35 | |Jelly| | No. |
| 14:50.41 | Shirik | you have resilience on your normal gear? |
| 14:51.00 | |Jelly| | My neck piece is pvp gear cause I needed a socket. |
| 14:51.03 | Shirik | but yeah like I said a while ago, |Jelly|, something's backwards :P |
| 14:51.12 | Shirik | because as my stats improved my rating went down |
| 14:51.19 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:51.43 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion Triia |
| 14:51.45 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Triia, Level 13 Draenei Hunter (4/0/0). 354 HP; 406 Mana; 38 mana regen; 13.900 Melee DPS; 3.76% melee crit; 17.70 Ranged DPS; 4.00% ranged crit; 3.06% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 133 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cxgyv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33pfmq ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 11:04:37 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:51.54 | |Jelly| | ...reason I haven't been on Jelly much. lol |
| 14:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, new hunter! |
| 14:53.26 | |Jelly| | I always start a hunter first when I don't know a lot of people. lol |
| 14:53.35 | Shirik | !vs us burning legion jelly us eredar Shirik |
| 14:53.38 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Jelly vs Shirik! A L70 priest and a L70 hunter square off!; 23/38/0 vs 3/50/8; Shirik wins by 673 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:53.43 | Shirik | |Jelly|, I will always beat you, you know that |
| 14:53.54 | zenzelezz | !vs eu silvermoon frykt eu silvermoon zenzio |
| 14:53.59 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Frykt vs Zenzio! A L70 hunter and a L70 warrior square off!; 41/20/0 vs 11/0/50; Frykt wins by 530 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:54.12 | zenzelezz | even my alt beats me |
| 14:54.29 | Shirik | !vs us eredar shirik eu silvermoon zenzio |
| 14:54.30 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Shirik vs Zenzio! A L70 hunter and a L70 warrior square off!; 3/50/8 vs 11/0/50; Shirik wins by 392 TBRs! |
| 14:54.32 | Shirik | =( |
| 14:54.35 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us burning legion klot |
| 14:54.38 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Klot! A L70 priest and a L70 shaman square off!; 23/38/0 vs 41/0/20; Jelly wins by 321 TBRs! |
| 14:54.45 | Shirik | Thrae obviously follows the thought that BM > MM |
| 14:54.47 | Shirik | evil people |
| 14:54.50 | Josh_Borke | !vs us burning legion jelly us stormreaver dagh |
| 14:54.51 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Jelly vs Dagh! Two 70 priests square off!; 23/38/0 vs 14/2/45; Dagh wins by 220 TBRs! |
| 14:55.29 | Josh_Borke | anyone work with freebsd? |
| 14:55.34 | Industrial | how do I get the time again in wow >_> |
| 14:55.57 | Shirik | uh, /time ? |
| 14:56.01 | Industrial | lua |
| 14:56.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:56.07 | Shirik | GetTime() will work |
| 14:56.10 | Industrial | thanks |
| 14:56.10 | Shirik | depending on what you want to do |
| 14:56.14 | Industrial | timers :D |
| 14:56.32 | Josh_Borke | don't use gettime |
| 14:56.32 | Shirik | so like you're going to be performing a differential? |
| 14:56.41 | Shirik | or do you need the actual time? |
| 14:56.44 | zenzelezz | perhaps time() then |
| 14:56.53 | Shirik | GetTime() will give you the time elapsed since system boot |
| 14:57.03 | Industrial | no, just checking the time - in onupdate |
| 14:57.21 | Shirik | it's the most accurate way to differentiate, but will not give you a valid time. If you need the actual time, use GetGameTime() or time() |
| 14:57.35 | Industrial | right. ill use GetTime then |
| 14:59.05 | Industrial | ill show what I have in a sec (if it works at all >_>) maybe im not DOINITRITE |
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| 15:05.22 | |Jelly| | Hai Cog! |
| 15:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 15:06.18 | |Jelly| | Hey Cog, watch! |
| 15:06.31 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 15:06.32 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; Jelly wins by 481 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:07.06 | cog|work | doesn't everyone beat Shirik? |
| 15:07.13 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 15:07.57 | cog|work | !vs us garona cogwheel us drenden kimina |
| 15:07.57 | ThraeBot | cog|work: cogwheel vs kimina! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? kimina wins by 6721406 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 15:08.04 | cog|work | !vs us garona cogwheel us drenden kimina |
| 15:08.07 | ThraeBot | cog|work: Cogwheel vs Kimina! A L70 warrior and a L70 priest square off!; 33/28/0 vs 23/38/0; Cogwheel wins by 393 TBRs! |
| 15:08.15 | cog|work | and i'm in my tank gear :P |
| 15:08.33 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us garona cogwheel |
| 15:08.34 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Cogwheel! A L70 priest and a L70 warrior square off!; 23/38/0 vs 33/28/0; Jelly wins by 88 TBRs! |
| 15:08.40 | zenzelezz | !vs us garona cogwheel eu silvermoon zenzio |
| 15:08.41 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Cogwheel vs Zenzio! Two 70 warriors square off!; 33/28/0 vs 11/0/50; Zenzio wins by 344 TBRs! |
| 15:09.30 | ts|skrom_ | !vs us uldum dalet us uldum fawn |
| 15:09.32 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Dalet vs Fawn! Dalet has +1 lvls on Fawn (49 vs 48); A L49 druid and a L48 warrior square off!; 0/29/11 vs 0/39/0; Fawn wins by 33 TBRs! |
| 15:09.37 | ts|skrom_ | HAHAHA yeah right |
| 15:09.47 | ts|skrom_ | He's never beaten me. Ever. |
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| 15:11.19 | |Jelly| | !us burning legion jelly us burning legion katillac |
| 15:11.25 | |Jelly| | wow...way to screw that us |
| 15:11.30 | |Jelly| | UP! |
| 15:11.32 | Josh_Borke | !vs eu silvermoon zenzio us stormreaver dagh |
| 15:11.33 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Zenzio vs Dagh! A L70 warrior and a L70 priest square off!; 11/0/50 vs 14/2/45; Zenzio wins by 102 TBRs! |
| 15:11.39 | Josh_Borke | hate @ warriors |
| 15:11.43 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us burning legion katillac |
| 15:11.46 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Katillac! A L70 priest and a L70 warlock square off!; 23/38/0 vs 42/0/19; Jelly wins by 29 TBRs! |
| 15:11.51 | cog|work | !vs us garona cogwheel us garona mikiva |
| 15:11.53 | ThraeBot | cog|work: Cogwheel vs Mikiva! A L70 warrior and a L70 warlock square off!; 33/28/0 vs 32/19/10; Cogwheel wins by 183 TBRs! |
| 15:11.57 | zenzelezz | I find it amusing that it keeps thinking almost full prot spec and tank gear is pwn for PvP |
| 15:11.58 | cog|work | WTF? |
| 15:12.01 | Shirik | cog|work? Win?! |
| 15:12.03 | Shirik | impossible |
| 15:12.04 | |Jelly| | Grats Cog. You can beat your wife. |
| 15:12.05 | cog|work | i'm not supposed to beat a warlock... |
| 15:14.08 | cog|work | I actually can't beat much in 1v1 right now... my gear isn't exactly pvp friendly |
| 15:14.28 | cog|work | though it's getting better |
| 15:15.33 | |Jelly| | yay! My pet is my best friend! |
| 15:19.03 | Lopeppeppy | Awww... that's excellent awesome, |Jelly|. Get them early and train them well, that's what I hear. Hunters have a hard time leveling pets that they find below their own level... |
| 15:19.46 | |Jelly| | I'm not entirely sure it will be the last pet I have (aside from training, lol) but eh. |
| 15:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yeah... Petopia is my Hunter Heaven for pet choices. |
| 15:21.19 | Cidan-laptop | I has a cat. |
| 15:21.24 | Cidan-laptop | I <3 my cat. |
| 15:21.29 | |Jelly| | I has a ravager atm. |
| 15:22.29 | cryogen | although when i enter STV im going to get a new cat |
| 15:22.42 | |Jelly| | I want Humar. |
| 15:23.02 | zenzelezz | I've had a cat for 11 years and she still won't attack when I tell her to |
| 15:23.20 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 15:23.41 | Cidan-laptop | I want a flying pet of some sort. |
| 15:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh... flying pets tend to annoy the crud out of groups, so be prepared for a large ration of hate on that. |
| 15:24.20 | Cidan-laptop | Why? |
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| 15:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | They block view for a lot of party members - nothing worse than the pet blocking the targeting of the tank, or party members. The screeches tend to be taxing on the nerves as well. |
| 15:26.05 | Cidan-laptop | excellent |
| 15:26.09 | Shirik | what's road to perditions? |
| 15:26.09 | Cidan-laptop | I'll be sure to get one ASAP |
| 15:26.10 | |Jelly| | L2Click-Cast imo<3 |
| 15:26.20 | zenzelezz | hrm... I can see a guy's corpse here, not his bones, but I can also see the guy fighting a mob nearby |
| 15:26.23 | Shirik | road to perdition* |
| 15:26.44 | Cidan-laptop | uh |
| 15:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | Click-cast works for some things, but not for others, |Jelly|. A flying pet can still get in the line of click. *shrug* |
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| 15:27.21 | |Jelly| | Your 3d world gets in the way of your frames? |
| 15:27.27 | Cidan-laptop | it was a comic first, wasn't it? |
| 15:27.29 | Cidan-laptop | then a movie? |
| 15:27.48 | Shirik | dunno |
| 15:27.51 | Shirik | but it has some awesome music |
| 15:28.01 | Shirik | the station I listen to plays soundtracks at 11 |
| 15:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | When looking for a target, yes it certainly can, |Jelly|. |
| 15:28.03 | Shirik | that's what it's from |
| 15:28.13 | Cidan-laptop | movie is kinda eh |
| 15:28.16 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 15:32.04 | zenzelezz | stealing something from guild chat, I really want a talent that makes my character's size proportional to my ego |
| 15:32.56 | ts|skrom_ | nice |
| 15:33.26 | zenzelezz | I loved that about Anarchy Online, stacking my char with +size gear |
| 15:33.52 | zenzelezz | only really fit on the enforcers (tanks) though since they already had several self-buffs that made them bigger |
| 15:34.57 | Cidan-laptop | I want a new futuristic MMO |
| 15:35.05 | Cidan-laptop | but one that doesn't suck (Tabula Rasa) |
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| 15:36.01 | raevanmorlock | Any ideas on what Blizzard's new MMO will be? |
| 15:36.14 | Cidan-laptop | only three real choices |
| 15:36.21 | Cidan-laptop | Diablo, SC, or new IP |
| 15:36.26 | zenzelezz | I bet it's about the past, present or future |
| 15:36.51 | foxlit|mac | lost vikings mmo! |
| 15:37.10 | Kaydeethree | ^ |
| 15:37.20 | cog|work | hello kitty island adventure |
| 15:37.38 | raevanmorlock | Well I'm sayin that maybe they'll make a good futuristic MMO for ya, Cidan.... though I'm not sure it'd be Starcraft since they're already working on Starcraft 2. Would be neat though. |
| 15:37.43 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised I like WoW so much, generally fantasyish MMOs aren't my style, I prefer sci-fi-ish |
| 15:38.27 | cog|work | scifi & fantasy aren't that much different when it comes down to it... |
| 15:38.38 | foxlit|mac | Diablo is too close to Warcraft |
| 15:38.59 | zenzelezz | in terms of weapons and art style they tend to be cog, at least in my experience |
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| 15:39.11 | foxlit|mac | SC would probably end up something like Eve |
| 15:39.17 | ts|skrom_ | I was wondering the other day how they could ever really make a Warcraft IV at this point |
| 15:39.35 | zenzelezz | more to the point, why would they want to? |
| 15:39.37 | foxlit|mac | Lua question: easiest way to check if something can be expressed as 2^n? |
| 15:39.38 | ts|skrom_ | or if they would even try given the shenanigans that would ahve to accompany the lore |
| 15:39.48 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: sqrt it? |
| 15:39.51 | Shirik | wait that's backwards |
| 15:39.51 | Shirik | nm |
| 15:39.57 | Shirik | take the ln? |
| 15:40.08 | foxlit|mac | and divide by ln2 |
| 15:40.11 | Shirik | if it's integral it should be able to be expressed as 2^n right? |
| 15:40.14 | foxlit|mac | check for lack of decimal part |
| 15:40.33 | foxlit|mac | Let me phase that better |
| 15:41.00 | foxlit|mac | Check if a natural number a can be expressed as 2 ^ n, where n is also a natural number |
| 15:41.50 | dylanm | I think that's what everyone was assuming. |
| 15:42.44 | foxlit|mac | I wasn't sure where Shirik was going with integrals |
| 15:42.51 | Shirik | integer number |
| 15:42.52 | Shirik | integral |
| 15:43.14 | foxlit|mac | And not integral, the anti-derivative? |
| 15:43.17 | Shirik | right |
| 15:43.26 | Shirik | if a number is an integer it is integral |
| 15:43.55 | Shirik | so, if you do math.ln(n), the return value should be integral if it is expressable in 2^n |
| 15:44.02 | Shirik | 2^x * |
| 15:44.11 | foxlit|mac | ln is the natural log |
| 15:44.15 | Shirik | right |
| 15:44.20 | amro | divide by ln2 |
| 15:44.26 | Shirik | ln(2^n) == nln(2) |
| 15:44.28 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/ln(2)) == math.ceil(x/ln(2)) end print(isbase2(4)) |
| 15:44.29 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: [string "function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/ln(..."]:1: attempt to call global 'ln' (a nil value) |
| 15:44.42 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/math.log(2)) == math.ceil(x/math.log(2)) end print(isbase2(4)) |
| 15:44.42 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: false |
| 15:44.45 | Josh_Borke | i fail |
| 15:44.49 | foxlit|mac | I'm merely pointing out that ln (4) would have decimals |
| 15:44.57 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:44.58 | Shirik | right |
| 15:45.01 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/math.log(2)) == math.ceil(x/math.log(2)) end print(math.ceil(4/math.log(2)) |
| 15:45.02 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/math.log(2)) == math.ce..."]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 15:45.03 | Shirik | yes, I missed the divide by ln(2) part |
| 15:45.04 | Shirik | my fault |
| 15:45.06 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/math.log(2)) == math.ceil(x/math.log(2)) end print(math.ceil(4/math.log(2))) |
| 15:45.07 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: 6 |
| 15:45.16 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return math.floor(x/math.log(2)) == math.ceil(x/math.log(2)) end print(math.floor(4/math.log(2))) |
| 15:45.16 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: 5 |
| 15:45.26 | Shirik | however with this kind of stuff I would watch for roundoff errors |
| 15:45.34 | Kaydeethree | you could cheat and run a simple while loop until 2^n is greater than a... |
| 15:45.49 | Josh_Borke | oh, wait |
| 15:46.00 | foxlit|mac | I could cheat much more easily by simply listing all 2^n up to 2^9 for this task :) |
| 15:46.18 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return x == 10^math.floor(x/math.log(2)) end isbase2(4) |
| 15:46.18 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: |
| 15:46.24 | Josh_Borke | lua> function isbase2(x) return x == 10^math.floor(x/math.log(2)) end print(isbase2(4)) |
| 15:46.24 | cladbot | Josh_Borke: false |
| 15:46.28 | foxlit|mac | But my intention was mostly to check if I've forgotten anything that could've been used :) |
| 15:47.26 | Shirik | for some reason I was thinking ln() was log base 2 |
| 15:47.31 | Shirik | instead of log base e |
| 15:47.39 | Shirik | that's why I didn't do that division :/ |
| 15:48.58 | raevanmorlock | Any ideas why my music and videos played fine yesterday and now they're all choppy regardless of what media player I use? |
| 15:49.14 | Shirik | did you turn on the "suck" option? |
| 15:49.15 | Kaydeethree | codecs went splat? |
| 15:49.20 | Industrial | besides Dongle-1.1 and Ace, does anyone have an example of how to handle OnUpdate schedules? (updating stuff with an interval instead of every update) |
| 15:49.23 | foxlit|mac | CPU usage / gpu usage? |
| 15:49.33 | cladhaire | there are a ton of basic examples |
| 15:49.37 | cladhaire | local count = 0 |
| 15:49.42 | cladhaire | local function OnUpdate(self, elapsed) |
| 15:49.46 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.01 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.16 | zenzelezz | raevanmorlock: don't suppose you have some other programs open (visible) that do some sort of graphical operations? I know having uTorrent open and some torrent selected can make some videos choppy for me because of how it draws certain things in the UI |
| 15:50.20 | foxlit|mac | Does elapsed have the same level of accuracy as GetTime()? Is it faster? [expected yes, yes] |
| 15:50.51 | cladhaire | foxlit|mac: elapsed loses time when you go to an instance loading screen |
| 15:50.53 | cladhaire | but thats it. |
| 15:51.08 | Industrial | cladhaire: ok |
| 15:51.13 | cladhaire | but thats a manageable difference |
| 15:51.28 | foxlit|mac | yeah, could reset counter to actual time on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 15:52.05 | foxlit|mac | If someone wanted to use it as an absolute time timer, that is. For "do every x seconds" updates, it doesn't really matter. |
| 15:52.26 | raevanmorlock | Shirik: no :P .. Kaydeethree: maybe.. foxlit|mac: System Idle Process is at the top of the list when it's happening so no problem there.. zenzelezz: uTorrent has never been a probelm before and turning it off doesn't help any |
| 15:52.31 | cladhaire | yeah it depends on your need, how specific |
| 15:53.12 | zenzelezz | raevanmorlock: was worth trying anyway =) It's pretty limited for me, but some programs it can lag up. Think MSN does the same for me |
| 15:53.15 | Shirik | Industrial: Of course you didn't even consider the Conspiracy scheduler |
| 15:53.20 | raevanmorlock | I think it happened aroudn the time that I went to use Visio last night.. and Visio had to install some stuff. |
| 15:53.20 | Shirik | 14(1111:4711:5614) 14(1115Industrial14) besides Dongle-1.1 and Ace, |
| 15:53.21 | foxlit|mac | math.log == ln, math.log10 == log10. There's no variable-base logarithm function :( |
| 15:53.30 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: There's no need for one |
| 15:53.52 | Shirik | you can do a little algebra to make it easily |
| 15:54.01 | amro | just do ln(x)/ln(b) where b is the base |
| 15:54.02 | cladhaire | Shirik: don't troll, thats the only places he's seen them done, is all he was saying |
| 15:54.06 | foxlit|mac | Obviously |
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| 15:54.13 | cladhaire | no need to be a poop face :P |
| 15:54.17 | foxlit|mac | But why not just math.log(n, base)? |
| 15:54.25 | Shirik | I can't think of many languages that offer that |
| 15:54.26 | foxlit|mac | instead of log variants |
| 15:54.47 | foxlit|mac | shorter, a bit clearer. |
| 15:54.51 | amro | because that function would probably do ln(n)/ln(base) anyway |
| 15:54.57 | Shirik | the FPUs I can think of off the top of my head support both log base e and log base 10 naturally |
| 15:54.58 | foxlit|mac | Does not imply understanding of logarithms |
| 15:55.06 | Shirik | but not any variable base |
| 15:55.15 | Shirik | so it's just a simpler implementation |
| 15:55.22 | nevcairiel | variable base logs are insane to calculate directly :P |
| 15:55.56 | Shirik | well, given a static base (like 10 or e) you can calculate anything from it |
| 15:56.14 | Industrial | Shirik: well no, because it isn't out yet :D? (I hace no idea >_>) |
| 15:56.14 | foxlit|mac | Precision and stuffs |
| 15:56.23 | Shirik | Industrial : It was a joke :) |
| 15:57.45 | foxlit|mac | Industrial: http://foxlit.pastey.net/73853 |
| 15:58.07 | foxlit|mac | Pastey + safari = weird |
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| 15:58.19 | foxlit|mac | it eats the spaces between differently-colored words |
| 15:58.43 | foxlit|mac | But only if he last character was a )] |
| 15:58.48 | ts|skrom_ | EQ used to keep a list of people who have had their name changed.. that way some jerk can't just dodge his rep by paying some cash |
| 15:58.53 | ts|skrom_ | does WoW have a list like that? |
| 15:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | Not that I've ever heard, TS|Skrom. |
| 15:59.07 | foxlit|mac | haven't heard of that, ts|skrom_ |
| 15:59.13 | Shirik | ts|skrom_: I'm sure they do |
| 15:59.16 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:59.19 | Shirik | you mean publicly visible? |
| 15:59.23 | Shirik | Unlikely |
| 15:59.24 | ts|skrom_ | yeah |
| 15:59.25 | nevcairiel | plus you cant really change your name like that |
| 15:59.42 | Shirik | Yeah they don't offer name changes except in ToS violations |
| 15:59.55 | foxlit|mac | character transfers |
| 15:59.55 | nevcairiel | you can jump servers |
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| 16:00.00 | nevcairiel | come back a month later |
| 16:00.02 | nevcairiel | and rename |
| 16:00.04 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 16:00.06 | ts|skrom_ | exactly |
| 16:00.08 | foxlit|mac | 3months |
| 16:00.18 | Shirik | but that's a lot of work for all that... |
| 16:00.18 | nevcairiel | well 3 then |
| 16:00.19 | foxlit|mac | Whiny people on wowradio made sure I know |
| 16:00.23 | ts|skrom_ | actually I'm just trying to see if the ex still plays lol |
| 16:00.24 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:00.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:00.29 | Shirik | ts|skrom_: lol |
| 16:00.32 | ts|skrom_ | the only toon I can remember isn't showing up in the armory |
| 16:00.48 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can get that information that easily |
| 16:00.54 | nevcairiel | ask :P |
| 16:01.01 | ts|skrom_ | ha, pass |
| 16:01.23 | foxlit|mac | "If a "serious" random number generator is needed we must use other (please, surf in the www)." |
| 16:01.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:01.57 | foxlit|mac | Sometimes I forget lua-users isn't a lookup manual. Phases like that remind me of reality rather sharply |
| 16:02.25 | Shirik | I have a good random number generator |
| 16:02.32 | Shirik | it has an excellent distribution |
| 16:02.38 | nevcairiel | the dice? |
| 16:02.42 | Shirik | nah |
| 16:02.42 | foxlit|mac | function random() |
| 16:02.49 | ts|skrom_ | function getrandomnumber() return 4; end |
| 16:02.49 | foxlit|mac | return 4; --- chosen by a fair dice throw. |
| 16:02.50 | foxlit|mac | end |
| 16:02.53 | Wobin | NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE |
| 16:02.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:03.25 | Shirik | local _last = 0; function my_random(n) _last = _last + 1; if _last > n then _last = 0 end; return _last; end |
| 16:03.31 | |Jelly| | Exodar is so stupid. |
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| 16:03.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:03.43 | ts|skrom_ | your mom is stupid |
| 16:03.46 | Wobin | http://web.archive.org/web/20011027002011/http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2001182781025.gif |
| 16:03.53 | |Jelly| | your face is stupid...er! |
| 16:04.06 | foxlit|mac | Shirik: but I can predict that, hence, it's useless! |
| 16:04.16 | Shirik | But its distribution is flawless! |
| 16:04.21 | ts|skrom_ | actually yes... you are right. Exodar is freakin' stupid |
| 16:04.38 | nevcairiel | who goes to exodar anyway |
| 16:04.44 | ts|skrom_ | jewelcrafters |
| 16:04.50 | ts|skrom_ | masochists |
| 16:04.52 | |Jelly| | Noob draenithings? |
| 16:05.08 | Wobin | foxlit|mac: xkcd.com/221 =P |
| 16:05.09 | Shirik | is it possible to raid exodar/silvermoon? |
| 16:05.11 | foxlit|mac | I sometimes use the city's AH |
| 16:05.18 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Community_Manager&diff=879416&oldid=839466 newsbot ftw |
| 16:05.19 | Kaydeethree | exodar gets raided on occasion |
| 16:05.20 | nevcairiel | sure Shirik |
| 16:05.23 | ts|skrom_ | people who enjoy having an engineering trainer nowhere near a forge |
| 16:05.24 | nevcairiel | we raided silvermoon once |
| 16:05.28 | foxlit|mac | Since you don't get a server zone out when going shatt -> exo |
| 16:05.34 | Shirik | Wobin: Thanks, I knew I saw that somewhere before >< |
| 16:05.42 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:05.50 | Wobin | original humour is a rare thing, nowadays =P |
| 16:06.19 | Wobin | especially since the birth of bash.org and qdb =P |
| 16:07.16 | Thrae | Shirik: I've never played a Hunter past the teens -- You should use !vsd if you have any useful knowledge to share. |
| 16:07.35 | Wobin | !vsd ? |
| 16:07.58 | Thrae | !help vsd |
| 16:07.59 | ThraeBot | !vsd <eu/us> <server> <character> <eu/us> <server2> <character2> -- This shows how each stat adds to that character's TBR, where w:<number> is the weight for that stat vs that class and/or build type, and (c+<number>) is a count of all weights related to the fight, even if the stat is 0. The final TBR is divded by c. Do not use this in channel. |
| 16:08.22 | Thrae | It's for helping me with the weights, since I'm no omniscient |
| 16:08.27 | Shirik | Thrae: Honestly |
| 16:08.40 | Shirik | I am against 90% of the hunter population on their views of how hunters should be played |
| 16:08.41 | foxlit|mac | if (class == "warlock") then infiniteWin(); end |
| 16:08.51 | Shirik | So I'm not a good choice to make that assesment |
| 16:08.56 | Thrae | Heh |
| 16:09.14 | Shirik | And given my assumption that approximately 80% of hunters don't know how to play |
| 16:09.15 | Valaron|Work | I'm a weak hunter. |
| 16:09.28 | Shirik | I think it is fair to assert that I may actually be in agreement with 50% of the competent hunters |
| 16:10.22 | Wobin | 10% of total hunters? |
| 16:10.22 | ts|skrom_ | !vsd us gul'dan skrom |
| 16:10.40 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 16:10.42 | ts|skrom_ | oh can't do it just for one I see? |
| 16:10.50 | ts|skrom_ | !vsd us gul'dan skrom us uldum rho |
| 16:10.54 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Skrom vs Rho! Rho has +2 lvls on Skrom (60 vs 62); A L60 hunter and a L62 warlock square off!; 41/10/0 vs 36/17/0; Rho wins by 84 TBRs! -- Char1 Weights: HP=+410.74, w:4 (c+0.40); RAP=+870.52, w:4 (c+0.40); resilience==0, w:5; DPS=+144.62, w:3 (c+0.30); crit=+742.13, w:5 (c+0.50); 1st Result 2168.01 (TBR) / 3.10 (c); -- Char2 Weights: HP=+239.37, w:1 (c+0.10); hit==0, w:0.5; |
| 16:10.54 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.08 | Wobin | I'd say I'm an adequate hunter, in that I can do all the jobs required of a hunter with minimal fuss |
| 16:11.14 | zenzelezz | I guess "Do not use this in channel." didn't go through |
| 16:11.31 | ts|skrom_ | oops my bad |
| 16:11.36 | ts|skrom_ | I stopped reading about 3 words too soon |
| 16:11.43 | Thrae | Yeah it'll always be two lines -- kinda spammy |
| 16:11.44 | Shirik | so you saw "Do not use" ? |
| 16:11.52 | Thrae | I shall change it to always msg |
| 16:11.55 | ts|skrom_ | 3 words before do |
| 16:12.01 | ts|skrom_ | short attention span ftw |
| 16:12.02 | Shirik | =P |
| 16:12.32 | ts|skrom_ | wow my lock must suck if she only beat the hunter by 84 tbrs |
| 16:13.07 | Thrae | Maybe you're in slight PvE gear |
| 16:13.21 | amro | BM hunters do well vs. warlocks |
| 16:13.27 | Thrae | Anyway, look at the results of !vsd and give feedback |
| 16:13.50 | ts|skrom_ | the vsd doesn't take spec into account? |
| 16:14.01 | ts|skrom_ | or am I just not seeing it |
| 16:15.03 | Thrae | ts|skrom_: For hunters, it doesn't take spec into account because I don't know enough about hunters to know if I need to weigh the stats differently for each spec |
| 16:15.11 | ts|skrom_ | what about lock? |
| 16:15.12 | Wobin | You do |
| 16:15.27 | Wobin | eg, for Surv hunters, you need to worry about agi |
| 16:15.29 | ts|skrom_ | I mean I see a weight in there for +hit, does that factor the 6% bonus to hit on affliction spells from my talent? |
| 16:16.31 | Thrae | Wobin: it doesn't compute agi -- only the end-results of agi -- AC, Dodge, Crit, etc. |
| 16:16.58 | Thrae | ts|skrom_: Not right now. But I was also told that +hit doesn't matter a lot for all classes in PvP. |
| 16:17.13 | foxlit|mac | base miss chance |
| 16:17.21 | ts|skrom_ | melee hit yes.. |
| 16:17.27 | Wobin | also, for Marksmanship hunters, intellect adds to rap |
| 16:17.32 | ts|skrom_ | spellhit can be a large difference especially considering resistances |
| 16:17.44 | foxlit|mac | spellhit does not mitigate resistances (?) |
| 16:17.45 | ts|skrom_ | and even more so for locks who are primarily binary spells |
| 16:17.52 | ts|skrom_ | oops right |
| 16:18.04 | zenzelezz | isn't it spell penetration that's for resistance? |
| 16:18.23 | foxlit|mac | yes, I believe so |
| 16:18.28 | ts|skrom_ | that being said foxlit|mac spellhit still closes the base 5% gap and is useful in pvp |
| 16:18.56 | foxlit|mac | Up to 4%, since the last 1% is unclosable |
| 16:19.08 | Thrae | Well look at the !vsd results and give feedback. It shows you the weights. |
| 16:19.12 | foxlit|mac | Plus opposing party's "reduces change that spells hit you by x%" |
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| 16:19.28 | Thrae | Higher weights mean higher TBR additions |
| 16:19.28 | foxlit|mac | s/nge/nce/ |
| 16:19.31 | ts|skrom_ | foxlit|mac THAT's what I was thinking of hehe |
| 16:19.39 | ts|skrom_ | I labled that "resists" in my mind for some reason |
| 16:19.59 | ts|skrom_ | stupid archive system, never puts things where I want it |
| 16:21.00 | foxlit|mac | Well, to be fair, you never know what caused your resist |
| 16:21.32 | foxlit|mac | And I suspect very small +hit deficiencies show up as partial resist. |
| 16:23.04 | Thrae | Right now, TBRs do not factor in resists, period |
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| 16:34.46 | foxlit|mac | Hm, if I wanted to store a table of pixels |
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| 16:35.12 | zenzelezz | sounds like a bitmap |
| 16:35.19 | foxlit|mac | It is. |
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| 16:36.28 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:36.28 | foxlit|mac | Pondering whether to do pixelArray[y*width + x] = c or pixelArray[x][y] = c; |
| 16:36.28 | |Jelly| | Hai |
| 16:36.46 | Cide | foxlit|mac: [x][y] |
| 16:36.51 | Cide | foxlit|mac: way more readable |
| 16:37.07 | cncfanatics | but takes way more mem |
| 16:37.12 | Cide | so what? |
| 16:37.13 | krka_ | and slower to lookup |
| 16:37.20 | Cide | microoptimization ftl |
| 16:37.23 | foxlit|mac | readability is so last year, obviously :) |
| 16:37.29 | cncfanatics | depends when ur doing it |
| 16:37.32 | Cide | optimize it later if you need it |
| 16:37.36 | krka_ | you could make useful helper functions |
| 16:37.37 | cncfanatics | if ur looking that on OnUpdate for example i'd take the first |
| 16:37.39 | Cide | but don't do it right now |
| 16:37.48 | Cide | cncfanatics: only if you need it |
| 16:37.53 | cncfanatics | if ur doing it not often, then take the readability |
| 16:38.00 | krka_ | arrayGet(pixelArray, x, y) |
| 16:38.15 | foxlit|mac | That's a bit problematic |
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| 16:38.31 | foxlit|mac | pixelGet(pixelArray, x, y, w) |
| 16:38.38 | zenzelezz | is this actually a Lua thing or just general theory? |
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| 16:38.51 | krka_ | semi-general |
| 16:38.56 | foxlit|mac | It is actually Lua. It's not an actual addon. |
| 16:38.57 | Cide | zenzelezz: readability > unnecessary optimization applies to most (all) languages |
| 16:39.06 | krka_ | languages like c handles multi-dim-arrays nicely |
| 16:39.23 | Beladona | sounds like an interesting conversation |
| 16:39.30 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:39.32 | zenzelezz | Cide: I agree, but if it's general theory I would say it depends largely on how it will be used... some graphics functions expect a certain representation whether you like it or not |
| 16:39.45 | cncfanatics | I have no idea how lua actualy handles multidepth arrays, but I'd guess not really nicely if x changes a lot |
| 16:41.50 | Saroz | !c eu kul tiras saroz |
| 16:41.52 | ThraeBot | Saroz: Saroz, Level 70 Human Paladin (47/14/0). 7767 HP; 9723 Mana; 243 mana regen; 129 mp5; 14710 Armour; 73.000 Melee DPS; 3.93% melee crit; 162 spell crit; 179 +spell dmg; 2043 +heal; 3.73% dodge; 5.00% block;[[ TBR: 775 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24z8r3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dwryz ][ Updated: Fri Sep 14 12:54:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:41.54 | Saroz | uhhh |
| 16:45.33 | foxlit|mac | function stuff(a) local b, a = a % 5, floor (a/5); local c, a = c % 6, floor (c/6); -- ... end |
| 16:46.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke |
| 16:46.20 | foxlit|mac | How does that behave with respect to a? Does it change the value of the parameter? Declare a new variable and out-scope the last one? Crash and burn? |
| 16:46.23 | sag_ich_nicht | gieb quartz support for simulcast :( |
| 16:46.39 | cncfanatics | it'll just overwrite ur old value foxlit |
| 16:46.55 | cncfanatics | well, the reference that is |
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| 16:49.34 | foxlit|mac | I guess I could check by nesting a block |
| 16:49.54 | foxlit|mac | then seeing if changes made in it stick when we leave it |
| 16:49.56 | krka_ | if you type local a, you overwrite the previous definition |
| 16:50.12 | krka_ | more accurately, you reference another stack slot |
| 16:50.38 | Cidan-laptop | So I just had this guy in WoW tell me that Bluetooth doesn't use radio waves. |
| 16:50.47 | Cidan-laptop | How can people be so stupid? |
| 16:50.55 | foxlit|mac | Didn't you know? |
| 16:51.01 | foxlit|mac | It communicates by using blue teeth |
| 16:51.04 | Cidan-laptop | Oh? |
| 16:51.07 | Kaydeethree | it uses wireless networking cable |
| 16:51.11 | Cidan-laptop | I thought it was magic faerie dust. |
| 16:51.19 | krka_ | well, is it radio? :) |
| 16:51.35 | foxlit|mac | is light radio? |
| 16:51.37 | krka_ | radio is a specific bandwidth, right? |
| 16:52.11 | Kaydeethree | fine, call it EM waves |
| 16:52.11 | krka_ | or is it all electromagnetic waves? |
| 16:52.25 | krka_ | wikipedia says it's a radio standard though |
| 16:52.43 | zenzelezz | isn't it about wavelength? |
| 16:52.49 | Kaydeethree | rfid's not on the same spectrum as fm/am |
| 16:52.53 | zenzelezz | radio being part of the spectrum, X-rays another, etc |
| 16:53.05 | Kaydeethree | s/same/same part of the/ |
| 16:53.15 | krka_ | bluetooth is microwave range, apparently |
| 16:53.36 | Cidan-laptop | the name "radio waves" referes to everything between 2-3 hz and ~350Ghz |
| 16:53.57 | krka_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency |
| 16:54.04 | krka_ | says 30GHz there |
| 16:54.19 | krka_ | but yeah, the guy was wrong |
| 16:54.37 | Cidan-laptop | er sorry, 35, not 350, :d |
| 16:54.39 | Cidan-laptop | :D |
| 16:54.43 | krka_ | still... it's not _that_ obvious to be considered stupid not to know |
| 16:54.45 | krka_ | imo |
| 16:54.46 | Rallion | I want my wireless devices to use gamma rays |
| 16:55.07 | Cidan-laptop | Yes, yes it is. |
| 16:55.32 | krka_ | why, is it common knowledge which wavelengths are considered radio? |
| 16:55.37 | krka_ | i didnt know it |
| 16:55.49 | Rallion | I didn't know for sure that bluetooth used radio frequencies...but then, that means I wouldn't say shit about it in the first place. |
| 16:55.57 | Rallion | that's where the stupidity comes in. |
| 16:56.07 | krka_ | sure |
| 16:56.08 | krka_ | i agree |
| 16:56.19 | Cidan-laptop | Well then, moving on |
| 16:56.22 | Cidan-laptop | Laundry sucks. |
| 16:56.26 | krka_ | no, let's focus on bluetooth |
| 16:56.40 | krka_ | was it named by ericsson btw? |
| 16:57.07 | foxlit|mac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3TC#DXT1 |
| 16:57.09 | Kaydeethree | and... crap! laundry |
| 16:57.23 | Cidan-laptop | Kaydeethree, yeeepp, that's about what I said 2 minutes ago |
| 16:57.37 | foxlit|mac | When they say 4x4 two bit lookup table, what do they imply about the pixel layout the table describes? |
| 16:57.56 | foxlit|mac | It's a 4x4 pixel block? It's 16 continual pixels? |
| 16:58.11 | Maldivia | krka: funny how the wiki says 3Hz to 30GHz, but still lists a 30GHz-300GHz band |
| 16:58.26 | krka_ | could be a mistake in wikipedia then |
| 16:58.27 | krka_ | go edit! |
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| 17:04.59 | Shirik | if ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA fires, will ZONE_CHANGED also fire? |
| 17:09.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't know |
| 17:09.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but maybe you could discuss this with Antiarc |
| 17:10.02 | sag_ich_nicht | so he learns something about it too |
| 17:10.08 | sag_ich_nicht | and then i might have a non-broken omen. |
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| 17:10.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ~assault Antiarc |
| 17:10.19 | purl | ACTION hits Antiarc in the mouth with an iron bar |
| 17:10.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: iirc one fires when you change area and one when you change actual zone |
| 17:11.19 | Shirik | I thought ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA occurs when you are entering an area you've never been in before |
| 17:11.23 | Shirik | like "Discovered: blah" |
| 17:11.26 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 17:11.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i think that was it |
| 17:11.34 | sag_ich_nicht | not sure anymore |
| 17:11.42 | nevcairiel | gogo devtools |
| 17:11.54 | sag_ich_nicht | might have been it always fires when you change area(not zone) |
| 17:12.02 | sag_ich_nicht | woho new 2.2 patch data |
| 17:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | next week better be fucking patchday |
| 17:12.10 | sag_ich_nicht | or i go insane |
| 17:12.10 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 17:12.23 | nevcairiel | new data? |
| 17:12.40 | nevcairiel | part 3 ? or you only slow on 2 ? :P |
| 17:12.44 | sag_ich_nicht | part 3 |
| 17:13.15 | zenzelezz | nothing on my launcher still :-| |
| 17:13.21 | sag_ich_nicht | enGB |
| 17:13.22 | nevcairiel | i dont get part 3 either |
| 17:13.25 | sag_ich_nicht | you're probably on enUS :P |
| 17:13.30 | nevcairiel | on enGB |
| 17:13.31 | zenzelezz | nope, I'm enGB too |
| 17:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Incrementals never work right for me... I just wait and FilePlanet for the whole thing. |
| 17:13.58 | zenzelezz | I just start the launcher, the patcher, close the patcher and load the torrent in uTorrent |
| 17:13.59 | sag_ich_nicht | mhma |
| 17:14.00 | sag_ich_nicht | *mhm |
| 17:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 17:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | wtf |
| 17:14.05 | zenzelezz | not patcher, downloader |
| 17:14.06 | sag_ich_nicht | it's downloading part 2 again? |
| 17:14.10 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:14.10 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell |
| 17:14.16 | nevcairiel | its prolly only verifying |
| 17:14.20 | nevcairiel | it does that sometimes for me too |
| 17:14.21 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 17:14.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it's downloading. |
| 17:14.24 | Kaydeethree | hm... the blues are posting up a storm again |
| 17:14.27 | Kaydeethree | ouch |
| 17:14.51 | zenzelezz | how so Kay? |
| 17:14.57 | Kaydeethree | in general |
| 17:15.01 | Kaydeethree | loads of blue posts again today |
| 17:15.06 | Kaydeethree | weird seeing that much activity out of the CMs |
| 17:17.21 | cog|work | Anyone know what might install the mvps.org HOSTS file without my knowledge? |
| 17:18.04 | Shirik | See, now if you had UAC..... |
| 17:18.23 | cog|work | Shirik: it's actually meant to block spyware |
| 17:18.30 | Shirik | oh is it? heh |
| 17:18.40 | cog|work | but it was still done without my consent :P |
| 17:18.54 | cog|work | and made it so i couldn't get to certain legitimate sites |
| 17:19.08 | foxlit|mac | like mvps.org? |
| 17:19.38 | cog|work | no... i was trying to buy an e-book |
| 17:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | buy an ebook? |
| 17:19.58 | cog|work | but i couldn't connect to the site. when i tried pinging it it said the address was 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:20.27 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: as someone who's writing a book, i don't particularly like the idea of piracy |
| 17:20.36 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work well |
| 17:20.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i always buy the real book |
| 17:20.42 | sag_ich_nicht | then pirate the ebook |
| 17:20.43 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:21.06 | zenzelezz | why would you go from real to e-book? Real books are so much better o_O |
| 17:21.12 | sag_ich_nicht | uhu |
| 17:21.15 | Cidan-laptop | did you check the hosts file? |
| 17:21.17 | foxlit|mac | Wrox has a lua book |
| 17:21.21 | cog|work | turns out something had installed the hosts file from mvps.org |
| 17:21.34 | cog|work | Cidan-laptop: look up... that's what i started out asking :P |
| 17:21.37 | Cidan-laptop | could have been anything |
| 17:21.38 | Cidan-laptop | ah |
| 17:21.39 | Cidan-laptop | :x |
| 17:21.43 | foxlit|mac | Flicked through later chapters today, it's moderately interesting |
| 17:21.46 | sag_ich_nicht | except a 10 real books eat a lot more space than my laptop when i'm traveling. |
| 17:21.59 | sag_ich_nicht | -a |
| 17:22.21 | zenzelezz | see, travelling also sucks! But you have a point in your case |
| 17:22.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't see the point in paying twice for it :P |
| 17:23.06 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: the one i'm after doesn't have a hard copy so... |
| 17:23.14 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 17:23.16 | sag_ich_nicht | well that sucks. |
| 17:23.23 | Shirik | This is.... interesting |
| 17:23.31 | Shirik | geterrorhandler()("rawr") results in an error |
| 17:23.34 | Shirik | error("rawr") does not |
| 17:23.55 | sag_ich_nicht | i was actually "forced" to pirate a few ebook only books since i couldn't pay in any way for them(CC required. hell no.) |
| 17:24.09 | Cidan-laptop | debit card works. |
| 17:24.13 | sag_ich_nicht | in the US |
| 17:24.15 | sag_ich_nicht | not in europe |
| 17:24.19 | sag_ich_nicht | k? k. k! |
| 17:24.27 | Cidan-laptop | you're telling me europe doesn't have debit cards? |
| 17:24.39 | sag_ich_nicht | they do but it's complicated. |
| 17:24.46 | Cidan-laptop | Then Saint. Fu. |
| 17:24.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm now using wirecard.com but they cheated me |
| 17:25.04 | Cidan-laptop | That's your own fault, not the author of the book. |
| 17:25.06 | sag_ich_nicht | bastards have 400 euro and won't give em back and i can't use them either |
| 17:25.08 | Cidan-laptop | Saint Fu. |
| 17:26.04 | foxlit|mac | yay |
| 17:26.23 | zenzelezz | Cidan-laptop: we have debit cards, many people just don't realize what that means |
| 17:26.27 | zenzelezz | I know my card is |
| 17:26.54 | foxlit|mac | http://foxlit.pastey.net/73854 |
| 17:26.56 | Cidan-laptop | Same here. |
| 17:27.00 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: what's complicated about them? |
| 17:27.18 | Cidan-laptop | Well, sag_ich_nicht is a simple man |
| 17:27.20 | foxlit|mac | recognize the texture, win a peanut |
| 17:27.21 | Cidan-laptop | For him |
| 17:27.45 | Cidan-laptop | It's Wakeup, troll, eat, troll, troll, nap, troll, troll, eat, troll, sleep |
| 17:27.45 | zenzelezz | my card is from my bank and works as a Visa card, never had trouble with it in any way |
| 17:27.50 | Cidan-laptop | and all over again |
| 17:28.10 | sag_ich_nicht | true. |
| 17:28.17 | Cidan-laptop | However, I do have to say it's so easy, a caveman could do it. |
| 17:28.19 | sag_ich_nicht | but nowadays, i skip the nap for more trolling. |
| 17:28.22 | foxlit|mac | letters just represent pixel colors pretty much randomly |
| 17:28.23 | sag_ich_nicht | true |
| 17:31.18 | sag_ich_nicht | thing is what we have is pretty much just maestro |
| 17:31.26 | Cidan-laptop | nope |
| 17:31.34 | cog|work | foxlit|mac: super mario bros coin |
| 17:31.39 | Cidan-laptop | You have Visa debits, :P |
| 17:31.40 | Cidan-laptop | bum |
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| 17:31.47 | sag_ich_nicht | o rry |
| 17:31.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't believe it |
| 17:31.54 | foxlit|mac | cog|work: wow, that's amazing! |
| 17:32.01 | Cidan-laptop | Get out of the troll cave, mate. |
| 17:32.02 | foxlit|mac | But no, it's not. |
| 17:33.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan but there is daylight out there :( |
| 17:33.27 | Shirik | Cidan you noob |
| 17:33.37 | Shirik | I picked the box theme and now I can't change away from it |
| 17:33.38 | Shirik | gg. |
| 17:33.52 | zenzelezz | that's intentional |
| 17:33.53 | Shirik | OMG |
| 17:33.54 | cog|work | foxlit|mac: now that i see the SMB coin i can't see anything else :P |
| 17:33.59 | Shirik | HELLO KITTY THEME IS AWESOEM |
| 17:34.05 | Shirik | I like the new stuff :) |
| 17:34.11 | Shirik | (sorry for caps) |
| 17:34.35 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 17:34.36 | sag_ich_nicht | link |
| 17:34.38 | sag_ich_nicht | is the AR fixed |
| 17:34.44 | Shirik | AR? |
| 17:34.49 | sag_ich_nicht | aspect ratio. |
| 17:35.06 | Shirik | is this related to Conspiracy or something else? I didn't know of this problem |
| 17:35.27 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 17:35.30 | sag_ich_nicht | hello kitty theme. |
| 17:35.35 | sag_ich_nicht | the textures had a broken AR. |
| 17:35.42 | Shirik | seems to work for me |
| 17:36.01 | |Jelly| | Chris Crocker...scares me. |
| 17:36.02 | Shirik | but I'm on 1360x768 |
| 17:36.17 | Kaydeethree | what the hell kind of reso is that? |
| 17:36.30 | Kaydeethree | >>>1360/768 |
| 17:36.30 | Cide | Kaydeethree: 1.7708333333333 |
| 17:36.39 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: are you thinking of the hello kitty compilation on wowinterface? because i believe Shirik is talking about conspiracy |
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| 17:37.03 | Shirik | I'm definitely talking about a Conspiracy theme. Was trying to grab Cidan-laptop's attention but he doesn't pay attention |
| 17:37.05 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 17:37.07 | sag_ich_nicht | oh. |
| 17:37.08 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: TV WS |
| 17:37.09 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 17:37.10 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm then. |
| 17:37.16 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks for clearing that up cog|work. |
| 17:37.22 | Shirik | >>> 16/9 |
| 17:37.22 | Cide | Shirik: 1.7777777777778 |
| 17:37.47 | cryogen | >>> 16/10 |
| 17:37.48 | Cide | cryogen: 1.6 |
| 17:38.12 | cryogen | >>> 1280/800 |
| 17:38.12 | Cide | cryogen: 1.6 |
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| 17:38.37 | cryogen | the "new" WS A/R.. weird stuff |
| 17:38.49 | zenzelezz | aren't movies usually 1.85:1 or 2.35:1? |
| 17:39.03 | cog|work | zenzelezz: yes |
| 17:39.10 | cncfanatics | >>> 12*41/52 |
| 17:39.10 | Cide | cncfanatics: 9.4615384615385 |
| 17:39.15 | cog|work | HDTV isn't quite as wide as most films |
| 17:39.18 | cryogen | moveis aer a variety of things |
| 17:39.20 | cncfanatics | >>> print("cide sucks"); |
| 17:39.21 | Cide | cncfanatics: "cide sucks" |
| 17:41.19 | cryogen | its nice to have a bit of extra vertical space with 16:10 but its annoying when watching 16:9 tv stuff |
| 17:44.05 | cryogen | hmm should i code tonight or play |
| 17:44.09 | cryogen | the temptation for both is strong |
| 17:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | So do both. |
| 17:44.38 | cryogen | doesnt really work like that, onc ei get stuck into one that'll be it |
| 17:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | Always answer the "either/or" questions with "yes", your life will be much more rich. |
| 17:45.19 | cog|work | I've never understood why people have a problem with letterboxing... but then again all of my monitors and TVs have had black plastic around the screen so it's less noticeable |
| 17:45.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: ... Wisdom in bite-sized form! |
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| 17:45.36 | Thunder_Child | cryogen, which ever one is more enjoyable..and if both are, then which is more productive |
| 17:46.10 | cryogen | cog|work: i dont have a problem with letterboxing per se, but watching 16:9 stuff on a 16:10 tv is.. rather odd |
| 17:46.30 | cryogen | some will auto stretch and make it look weird |
| 17:46.31 | Lunessa | So, for those who were with us on Wednesday, Tropical Storm Humberto turned out to be nothing more than a rainy night in town. Zero local effect. |
| 17:46.42 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:46.43 | cog|work | blech... stretching 4tl |
| 17:46.44 | Kaydeethree | good to hear. |
| 17:46.47 | Jumpee|AFK | Is it a fact that :Hide() and :Show() are disabled during combat? |
| 17:46.51 | cncfanatics | meh, i'm bored |
| 17:46.55 | cog|work | I can't understand how people can watch SDTV stretched to fill an HDTV |
| 17:46.57 | Shirik | Jumpee|AFK: For secure frames, yes |
| 17:46.59 | Kaydeethree | scary that it actually wound up to a hurricane when it landed, though |
| 17:47.15 | cryogen | cog|work: upscaling is different to stretching :) |
| 17:47.29 | Jumpee|AFK | and spells can only be cast from secure frames? |
| 17:47.29 | cog|work | cryogen: i'm not talking about upscaling |
| 17:47.35 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 17:47.39 | Jumpee|AFK | thanks |
| 17:47.44 | cog|work | SDTV is 4:3 and people watch it stretched to 16:9 or 16:10 |
| 17:47.56 | cryogen | SDTV is 4:3 in the states? |
| 17:48.00 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 17:48.01 | cryogen | sure aint here |
| 17:48.07 | Shirik | PAL != NTSC |
| 17:48.07 | Jumpee|AFK | I wonder how Trinity Bars does it. Supposedly it does but I don't use it. |
| 17:48.23 | cryogen | Shirik: neither has anything to do with SDTV, or aspect ratio :) |
| 17:48.27 | Kaydeethree | tbars :shows() the frames the instant before you enter combat |
| 17:48.28 | Shirik | sure it does |
| 17:48.38 | Shirik | NTSC defines 4:3 |
| 17:48.41 | Shirik | PAL... something else |
| 17:48.44 | cryogen | nope |
| 17:48.44 | Lunessa | Kaydeethree: there was rain, but it wasn't bad, there was flooding - on the island, but I'm 25 miles from the island and it was just windy and rainy. |
| 17:48.46 | Shirik | along with some other things like refresh rate |
| 17:48.47 | Jumpee|AFK | ok, |
| 17:48.49 | Shirik | scan lines |
| 17:48.50 | cryogen | you can have PAL 4:3 and PAL 16:9 |
| 17:48.54 | cryogen | also NTSC of both |
| 17:49.26 | cog|work | cryogen: the signal isn't any different |
| 17:49.30 | cryogen | some channels here are still 4:3, but ver few |
| 17:49.34 | Shirik | "Other technical standards in the final recommendation were a frame rate (image rate) of 30 frames per second consisting of 2 interlaced fields per frame (2:1 interlacing) at 262½ lines per field or 60 fields per second along with an aspect ratio of 4:3, and frequency modulation for the sound signal." |
| 17:49.35 | Josh_Borke | did someone ping me earlier? |
| 17:49.37 | cog|work | the TV just stretches it |
| 17:49.40 | Shirik | for NTSC |
| 17:50.17 | cryogen | cog|work: indeed, and said stretching is usually ugly yes :) |
| 17:50.38 | cryogen | i usually let it happen though, since while i can tolerate horizontal bars, i cannoy tolerate vertival ones |
| 17:50.49 | Shirik | you are correct, though, after reading it, PAL does specify any aspect ratio |
| 17:50.51 | cryogen | and as i say there is very few 4:3 stuff here |
| 17:50.54 | Shirik | but NTSC defines only 4:3 |
| 17:51.08 | cryogen | well NTSc does suck so that doesnt surprise me |
| 17:51.32 | cog|work | PAL is interlaced too, right? |
| 17:51.39 | Shirik | iirc yes |
| 17:51.46 | cryogen | i believe so |
| 17:51.48 | cog|work | they both suck then imo :P |
| 17:51.54 | cryogen | sure |
| 17:52.19 | cryogen | HDTV for all! |
| 17:52.31 | Thunder_Child | bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch |
| 17:52.44 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: a concept quite familiar to you :P |
| 17:52.45 | Thunder_Child | - bitch |
| 17:52.54 | Shirik | "For a 1:1 pixel aspect (square pixels) on a 50 Hz interlaced PAL signal the pixel rate should be 14.75 MHz." |
| 17:53.01 | Shirik | that implies PAL is (or can be) interlaced |
| 17:53.04 | Thunder_Child | why yes, cog|work, but only at people |
| 17:53.51 | Shirik | imo TV sucks in general |
| 17:53.55 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 17:54.34 | Cidan-laptop | I don't even have cable |
| 17:54.36 | cryogen | animated stick drawings for all! |
| 17:54.46 | Cidan-laptop | oh do you mean, ah, physical. |
| 17:54.48 | Cidan-laptop | :x |
| 18:00.08 | cryogen | i think tonight we will opt for play! |
| 18:01.39 | Shirik | ugh |
| 18:01.48 | Shirik | I just did a s/kinda/// to someone in WoW |
| 18:01.52 | Shirik | and they were like "huh?" |
| 18:01.59 | Shirik | (without the last /) |
| 18:02.12 | Shirik | stupid habits >.> |
| 18:02.20 | Esamynn | Shirik: geek! |
| 18:02.25 | Shirik | yeah yeah |
| 18:02.26 | Lunessa | TV does, in fact, suck. Technical formats the content is... crap. |
| 18:02.30 | cog|work | Shirik: i taught my wife that one so i could use it with her... |
| 18:02.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:04.40 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 18:08.15 | Shirik | to answer the earlier question, sag_ich_nicht, you were right |
| 18:08.24 | Shirik | I zoned into Kara and got ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA, not ZONE_CHANGED |
| 18:09.04 | Esamynn | ZONE_CHANGED is for sub-areas only iirc |
| 18:09.37 | Shirik | now if you had told me that 20 minutes ago... ^^ |
| 18:10.19 | Esamynn | :P |
| 18:10.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:08] <Shirik> to answer the earlier question, sag_ich_nicht, you were right <--awesome. |
| 18:14.10 | Shirik | Would something like this be considered too much of a hack? |
| 18:15.03 | Shirik | function force(n) local e, a = error, assert; error, assert = function() end, function() end; someFunctionThatdoesntLikeN(n); error, assert = e,a; end |
| 18:15.31 | Shirik | Not that I'd do it, it just popped into my head randomly |
| 18:16.33 | sag_ich_nicht | admit it |
| 18:16.37 | sag_ich_nicht | you already did it somewhere. |
| 18:16.57 | Shirik | negative, but I was trying to think of an easy way to schedule something using Conspiracy's scheduler that is normally not allowed |
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| 18:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | do something that's not allowed |
| 18:17.34 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 18:17.38 | Shirik | also, someone please kill CIA in #conspiracy -_- |
| 18:18.11 | Shirik | #wowace's always works, why not ours :( |
| 18:19.35 | Cidan-laptop | perhaps it's a conspiracy? |
| 18:20.15 | Arelenda | hey there. I'm trying to write an addon that measures spell damage, and I was wondering if there's a function that returns me my current spell damage (my +damage on items _and_ current buffs) |
| 18:20.44 | Arelenda | basically the wow client does that already, but I don't seem to be able to get to that data. |
| 18:21.08 | Arelenda | Do I really have to go through all gear and buffs and calculate it myself? |
| 18:21.43 | Cidan-laptop | Hmm, I haven't worked on that since pre BC |
| 18:21.54 | Cidan-laptop | Didn't they add new functions? |
| 18:21.56 | Esamynn | Arelenda: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellBonusDamage |
| 18:22.07 | Cidan-laptop | there you go |
| 18:22.08 | Cidan-laptop | :d |
| 18:22.17 | Cidan-laptop | :D |
| 18:22.19 | Esamynn | Arelenda: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API is your friend |
| 18:22.20 | Arelenda | ... I actually did search for that... on wowwiki. |
| 18:22.49 | Arelenda | thanks a bunch. I knew it had to be there. |
| 18:23.35 | Cidan-laptop | I miss CastSpellByName, :( |
| 18:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | Poor lonely Cidan. |
| 18:24.22 | Esamynn | ~comfort Cidan-laptop |
| 18:24.23 | purl | There, there, Cidan-laptop. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:24.39 | Shirik | Is there a way to determine an addon's load name? |
| 18:24.46 | Shirik | like... what folder it's in? |
| 18:24.49 | Esamynn | define load name |
| 18:25.00 | foxlit|mac | there should be calls to enumerate all addons? |
| 18:25.04 | Shirik | there is |
| 18:25.27 | Shirik | But I'd rather not go through it all looking for it when I already know its index |
| 18:25.31 | Shirik | or can I call LoadAddOn with its index? |
| 18:25.42 | Esamynn | Shirik: yes you can |
| 18:25.45 | Shirik | ok that works then |
| 18:25.59 | Esamynn | and btw, the first return of GetAddOnInfo is the load name |
| 18:26.08 | Esamynn | the 2nd is the TOC defined title |
| 18:26.09 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 18:28.53 | foxlit|mac | What's the simplest 8-bit RGBA image container format you can think of? |
| 18:30.25 | Cidan-laptop | ? |
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| 18:31.00 | foxlit|mac | Assuming you had an array of pixels, what would you output to if you didn't have a pre-written image library? |
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| 18:31.56 | Shirik | I'd say bmp but you want an alpha channel |
| 18:35.08 | Cidan-laptop | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1376202011&size=o |
| 18:35.24 | foxlit|mac | PNG ends up needing deflate :( |
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| 18:40.48 | foxlit|mac | Hah |
| 18:40.56 | foxlit|mac | "A 32-bit version with integrated alpha channel has been introduced with Windows XP and is used within its logon and theme system; it has yet to gain wide support in image editing software but has been supported in Adobe Photoshop since version 7 and Adobe Flash since version MX 2004 (then known as Macromedia Flash)." |
| 18:42.31 | Lunessa | Child-proof caps on mouthwash will be the end of society |
| 18:43.19 | Cidan-laptop | I agree |
| 18:43.24 | Cidan-laptop | let the bastards die |
| 18:43.25 | Cidan-laptop | no wiat. |
| 18:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | Instructions on toothpicks were the first sign of trouble. |
| 18:43.31 | Kaydeethree | hah... I need to get one of these for the neighbors: http://www.break.com/index/motion-activated-sprinkler-vs-pigeons.html |
| 18:48.20 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: I'm going to have to build one of those now |
| 18:48.47 | cryogen | alright, the stv gankers win, im going back into the realms of secureheaders |
| 18:48.50 | Esamynn | haha, that's awesome\ |
| 18:49.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww... sorry to hear that, cryogen. |
| 18:49.16 | Esamynn | cryogen: don't stay too long, you might get brain damage |
| 18:50.10 | cryogen | way too late for that |
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| 18:54.31 | cryogen | i dont suppose there's a way i can reference foo:bar as just bar is there? |
| 18:54.50 | Shirik | you can do local baz = foo.bar |
| 18:54.53 | Shirik | but it won't pass foo anymore |
| 18:54.58 | Shirik | unless you do baz(foo |
| 18:55.14 | cryogen | yeah wanted it more generally than that, oh well |
| 18:55.16 | Shirik | which is why sometimes you'll see things like |
| 18:55.28 | Shirik | frame:SetScript("OnClick", function() foo:bar() end) |
| 18:55.43 | Shirik | it looks strange at first when you think "Why not just use foo.bar as the script" |
| 18:55.52 | Shirik | but then you realize it's not passing foo anymore, which might be necessary :) |
| 18:59.41 | cladhaire | you should, pil is a great resource :P |
| 18:59.43 | cladhaire | or just read it |
| 18:59.50 | cryogen | yeah ive read the first edition |
| 18:59.52 | cryogen | a while ago |
| 19:00.20 | cryogen | the second edition is shiney and is 5.1 though! |
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| 19:05.55 | Shirik | So, there's mobs randomly despawning on our server |
| 19:06.06 | Shirik | You go to attack one and it disappears. About to page a GM... what response do you think I'll get? |
| 19:06.28 | Kaydeethree | "take out your WTF/Interface/Cache folders and try again." |
| 19:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | "Please remove your Interface and WTF folders, and try again" |
| 19:06.38 | Shirik | see, I already have a response for that though |
| 19:06.57 | |Jelly| | Peppy: *hug* Can I go back to my noob? :P |
| 19:07.02 | cryogen | working as intended |
| 19:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|: *hug* Do what makes you happy. I'll 'member the name this time... but gosh, that was out of left field even for you! |
| 19:07.36 | |Jelly| | You really think so? |
| 19:07.45 | Shirik | "Sir the addon framework has nothing to do with the 3D game world, nor can it prevent a creature from despawning or despawn one that has already appeared. Concurrently, it cannot make me lose my target without a hardware action. So would you like to try that response again?" |
| 19:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | Usually you wait until they've done something more stupid than that... but if they're stupid first, it's entirely your style. I just didn't see the stupid and got confused. |
| 19:09.00 | cryogen | randomly despawning mobs sonuds cool though |
| 19:09.28 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I just know where he's going with that. He's going to QQ to people that they need to slow down DPS because he can't hold aggro. |
| 19:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | If they're numb enough to use a fury to tank, they and he deserve what they get. |
| 19:10.26 | |Jelly| | Yeah. |
| 19:10.50 | Lunessa | did I miss some good n00b bashing? |
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| 19:11.18 | |Jelly| | I just kind of jumped some guy's case without really any provocation. |
| 19:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly sorely confused the Peppy. It was historical. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602492812&sid=1 |
| 19:11.32 | |Jelly| | Then Peppy called me a troll. |
| 19:12.29 | Kaydeethree | woo hoo and /cry... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442898935&sid=1&pageNo=26 |
| 19:13.10 | Lunessa | I'd have called you a troll too. You're all bite. Even more than me. :P |
| 19:13.23 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 19:15.49 | Lopeppeppy | How long until that forum gets cleansed, do you think Kaydeethree? 2 weeks? |
| 19:15.57 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: lol |
| 19:15.59 | Kaydeethree | probably the 25th |
| 19:16.04 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 19:16.08 | Shirik | so we were all wrong about the GM's response |
| 19:16.15 | Shirik | His response was "That's strange o.o" |
| 19:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | Really? |
| 19:16.21 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:16.33 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 19:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, I would have expected at least a "We're aware of the problem" if it wasn't "remove your folders". |
| 19:16.41 | cladhaire | say "zomg cmere i'll show you" |
| 19:16.43 | Shirik | yeah |
| 19:16.51 | Josh_Borke | hot swappable ram!! |
| 19:16.51 | Josh_Borke | zomg! |
| 19:17.47 | Shirik | "Okay, it may just be server issues. I know there were slight inconsistencies earlier >.>" |
| 19:17.53 | Shirik | Wow, it's as if I'm actually talking to a human for once |
| 19:18.05 | Kaydeethree | that happens on occasion |
| 19:18.30 | Lopeppeppy | "Slight inconsistencies" = all the NPC's appear as Hello Kitty? |
| 19:18.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:19.18 | Lunessa | I would quit wow and begin drinking heavily for the end times would be upon us. |
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| 19:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | There are directions not to use hairdryers while sleeping.... the end times are nigh already. |
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| 19:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | There are times when I really wonder just how stupid people can be. |
| 19:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | One thing I've learned, though |
| 19:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, bright gods ScytheBlade1. You'd go starkers trying to get to the depths of human stupidity. |
| 19:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that I need to stop wondering that, it'll only hurt more with every progressive step in wondering |
| 19:22.29 | Lunessa | I've already gone starkers. |
| 19:25.43 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:25.44 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602652858&sid=1 |
| 19:28.29 | foxlit|mac | Hm, interesting |
| 19:28.46 | foxlit|mac | My code produces an upside-down mirroer version of what blp2png does with a slightly different color scheme |
| 19:29.01 | foxlit|mac | s/mirroer// |
| 19:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, post #15 in that thread |
| 19:34.50 | zenzelezz | found a picture of peppy: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128297742742657500afk.jpg |
| 19:35.12 | Shirik | soo peppy |
| 19:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | Even has vaguely the right color hair, since I've never seen a true red-head cat. |
| 19:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | My own cat does that, but she sleeps to the right of my monitor, not in front. :) |
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| 19:37.57 | Wraanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.10 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73856 gives: StuBar.lua:84: attempt to index local 'button' (a nil value) |
| 19:38.17 | cryogen | any suggestions? |
| 19:38.26 | foxlit|mac | find out why its ni |
| 19:38.28 | foxlit|mac | l |
| 19:38.35 | cladhaire | good suggestion! |
| 19:38.40 | cryogen | splendid suggestion :) |
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| 19:39.00 | cryogen | it's referencing an array which I think should exist and be populated |
| 19:39.07 | cryogen | hence me asking for help, because it quite clearly isnt |
| 19:39.14 | cladhaire | well, we can't help you |
| 19:39.18 | cladhaire | you're trying to access a nil value |
| 19:39.21 | foxlit|mac | There is no Magic (tm) |
| 19:39.24 | cladhaire | and only you can tell us why its nil =) |
| 19:39.40 | cladhaire | button[anyKey] will give you that error when button is nil |
| 19:39.53 | cryogen | it shouldnt be nil though, thats the point |
| 19:39.55 | zenzelezz | let be point out the key word here: <cryogen> it's referencing an array which I think should exist and be populated <--- think |
| 19:40.03 | Wraanger | try to remove spaced between in "StuBarSAB" .. i |
| 19:40.09 | foxlit|mac | Start with /dump StuBar |
| 19:40.15 | foxlit|mac | Then /dump StuBar.Buttons |
| 19:40.30 | cryogen | what nifty thing will give me /dump? :) |
| 19:40.41 | Wraanger | DevTools for sure |
| 19:40.43 | foxlit|mac | ~devtools |
| 19:40.43 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 19:40.43 | zenzelezz | cryogen: the fact that something shouldn't be <value/nil> is never a good argument. Always validate to confirm your assumption |
| 19:41.26 | foxlit|mac | Is anything calling all those functions? |
| 19:41.33 | cryogen | zenzelezz: fine i phrased it badly, the fact is i *know* it's nil and im obviously not setting the valu ein the array correcctly, but i do now know why |
| 19:41.35 | foxlit|mac | :OnLoad()? :OnEvent()? |
| 19:41.36 | cryogen | s/now/not/ |
| 19:41.47 | zenzelezz | all right =) |
| 19:42.11 | foxlit|mac | Do you see the "Created button 1" message from line 47? |
| 19:42.14 | cryogen | yes |
| 19:42.32 | Wraanger | and using "this" is baaad |
| 19:42.44 | foxlit|mac | But we don't care about that. |
| 19:42.51 | cryogen | we do,but not now |
| 19:43.07 | foxlit|mac | ./run DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(StuBarSAB1)); |
| 19:43.28 | cryogen | table: someaddress |
| 19:43.41 | foxlit|mac | same thing but with StuBar.Buttons[1] |
| 19:43.57 | Shirik | or /dump tostring(...) |
| 19:44.03 | Shirik | which would be a lot less to type :P |
| 19:44.13 | foxlit|mac | Keep up, dammit! |
| 19:44.30 | foxlit|mac | People asking what provides /dump is don't have devtools installed :) |
| 19:44.40 | foxlit|mac | (is is archaic) |
| 19:44.43 | cryogen | foxlit|mac: 'nil' |
| 19:45.21 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: /dump also exists in Ace, fwiw |
| 19:45.22 | cryogen | i know it's going to be something subtle and something i will kick myself for |
| 19:45.25 | cryogen | but i cant spot it :) |
| 19:46.42 | foxlit|mac | Well |
| 19:46.50 | cryogen | when i dump StuBar, Buttons is { } |
| 19:46.53 | zenzelezz | can you insert frames into tables easily |
| 19:46.56 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 19:46.58 | foxlit|mac | I think I see it |
| 19:47.02 | cladhaire | yes |
| 19:47.06 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: they're just lua values, so yes. |
| 19:47.18 | foxlit|mac | Let me just log in and test something out |
| 19:47.50 | cryogen | oh, is it because i added the local reference into my array? |
| 19:48.08 | foxlit|mac | No |
| 19:48.26 | zenzelezz | papercut >.< |
| 19:48.35 | zenzelezz | I lose at folding paper |
| 19:49.53 | foxlit|mac | Hm, not quite what I thought |
| 19:50.03 | foxlit|mac | You do create all those button frames twice |
| 19:50.22 | foxlit|mac | There's a setupbuttons call on 15, and then again when player_login triggers it on 21 |
| 19:50.43 | cryogen | oops |
| 19:50.50 | foxlit|mac | That shouldn't, however, give you a nil-reference. |
| 19:51.52 | foxlit|mac | Just gives me a new anonymous frame if I try to recreate something that already exists |
| 19:52.19 | cryogen | also only gets called twice on first login, and not when i reload |
| 19:52.25 | cryogen | so im probably not using the right event anyway :) |
| 19:54.27 | foxlit|mac | hm, no |
| 19:55.07 | foxlit|mac | PLAYER_LOGIN should still fire |
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| 19:57.30 | cryogen | then im regierting the event wrong, since it never gets called :) |
| 19:57.34 | cryogen | registering |
| 19:58.26 | MentalPower | which event? |
| 19:59.09 | MentalPower | Frame:RegisterEvent("SOME_EVENT_GOES_HERE"), not much to it |
| 19:59.19 | foxlit|mac | How do you know it never gets called? :) |
| 19:59.35 | cryogen | put a print in there |
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| 19:59.39 | cryogen | but i ound out why |
| 19:59.44 | cryogen | missing event handler on my xml :p |
| 20:00.42 | cryogen | and oddly enough, it now works |
| 20:01.05 | zenzelezz | what's worse than forgetting an event handler is having an event handler but having forgotten to put it inside <Scripts> |
| 20:01.21 | zenzelezz | not that I've ever done that or anything ;-o |
| 20:01.41 | cryogen | yeah thats what i did. |
| 20:01.58 | foxlit|mac | That should crash the XML parser |
| 20:02.05 | zenzelezz | but it doesn't |
| 20:02.16 | cryogen | but now that i have the event in place, the Buttons[] code works |
| 20:02.16 | zenzelezz | doesn't even show in in framexml.log |
| 20:02.19 | foxlit|mac | It may be a bit lenient on you |
| 20:02.23 | cryogen | ok that i dont understand, but i dont care since it works now |
| 20:02.48 | cryogen | so, tell me why this: is bad :) |
| 20:03.35 | zenzelezz | "this" is old and hackish, "self" is more correct. Don't remember the exact details for lua |
| 20:03.58 | cryogen | simple enough |
| 20:04.37 | cryogen | i thought 'this' and 'self' were subtley different though? |
| 20:04.43 | foxlit|mac | this is a global variable set at the start of the event call |
| 20:04.55 | foxlit|mac | self is a local variable passed to the function handler |
| 20:05.18 | cryogen | in Foo:OnLoad() isnt self Foo? |
| 20:05.26 | foxlit|mac | Yes. |
| 20:05.39 | foxlit|mac | Because Foo:OnLoad() is actually Foo.OnLoad(self) |
| 20:05.45 | cryogen | then it's not the same as this in that instance, so i cant just do s/this/self/ |
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| 20:05.58 | foxlit|mac | when you call it with Foo:OnLoad() you actually do Foo.OnLoad(Foo); |
| 20:06.04 | cryogen | yes i know that much |
| 20:06.11 | cryogen | god bless the: operator |
| 20:06.24 | cryogen | so i fail to see why this is wrong :) |
| 20:06.26 | foxlit|mac | Which is not to say people can't do Foo.OnLoad(Bar) |
| 20:07.05 | foxlit|mac | There are a few subtle nuances when it can set you up for some failure |
| 20:07.19 | foxlit|mac | Some frames call their parent's event handlers, for example. |
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| 20:08.15 | bleeter | oO did someone just kill http://www.wowinterface.com ? |
| 20:08.37 | Cairenn | I was just about to ask if anyone else was having problems or whether it was just on my end |
| 20:08.42 | Cairenn | guess now I know |
| 20:08.45 | zenzelezz | seems stuck on Connecting |
| 20:08.50 | zenzelezz | oh, no, just very slow |
| 20:09.20 | bleeter | Cairenn: your end is fine... website's bork tho :P |
| 20:09.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:09.39 | Cairenn | I've pinged dolby-wowi |
| 20:10.38 | Cairenn | (4:10:11 PM) dolby-wowi: yeah looks like datacenter issues |
| 20:10.38 | Cairenn | (4:10:22 PM) dolby-wowi: all servers at that DC are being slow |
| 20:13.03 | foxlit|mac | Meh. |
| 20:13.20 | foxlit|mac | So I can chat at writing a deflate algorithm by just using it to store a literal stream |
| 20:13.56 | foxlit|mac | However, wikipedia fails to mention how someone is supposed to store the length of a particular block :/ |
| 20:14.01 | zenzelezz | don't chat to your algorithms |
| 20:14.16 | foxlit|mac | *cheat |
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| 20:21.05 | ts|skrom_ | I wish I was better at photoshop >< |
| 20:22.59 | Lunessa | ts|skrom_: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:23.29 | ts|skrom_ | slice up some maps for d&d tonight |
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| 20:24.59 | Lunessa | Slice them up how? Like layers? or like you want an image chopped into sections? |
| 20:25.12 | ts|skrom_ | image into sections |
| 20:25.23 | ts|skrom_ | so I can reveal certain rooms at a time |
| 20:25.51 | Lunessa | That's actually pretty easy to do. |
| 20:26.46 | ts|skrom_ | I'd love to know :-/ |
| 20:26.59 | ts|skrom_ | I was using the marquee tool to copy each section out into mspaint... >< |
| 20:27.02 | ts|skrom_ | like I said, I'm a noob |
| 20:27.28 | zenzelezz | surely you can Paste as New Image or something similar? |
| 20:28.02 | ts|skrom_ | well honestly I was just pasting into mspaint simply to save what little time I could |
| 20:28.14 | ts|skrom_ | mspaint's save dialog = faster then my photoshop on this crappy machine |
| 20:28.36 | ts|skrom_ | but since I don't know any better it seemed okay at the time XD |
| 20:28.59 | ts|skrom_ | of course until it got really boring and my attention span lapsed |
| 20:29.24 | Lunessa | ts|skrom_: You can make layers to the orignal image |
| 20:29.51 | Lunessa | What I would do is make a new layer, then select the area I wanted revealed. |
| 20:30.03 | Lunessa | Then, reverse the selection, and fill it with black |
| 20:30.14 | ts|skrom_ | sorry I shouda clarified |
| 20:30.18 | Lunessa | Repeat. |
| 20:30.24 | ts|skrom_ | I'm not using photoshop to display, only to prepare |
| 20:30.30 | ts|skrom_ | I plan to print these out prior to game time |
| 20:30.43 | Lunessa | Then you can print the images showing only the correct layers. |
| 20:31.02 | ts|skrom_ | ah you can print single layers at a time? |
| 20:31.21 | Lunessa | On the layers pallet, turn off all the layers you don't want to print. |
| 20:31.26 | art3mis | wheeee ptr has a neat "bug" thast client side |
| 20:31.35 | Lunessa | It's an icon that looks like an "eye" |
| 20:31.37 | ts|skrom_ | neat, yeah that might work alot better |
| 20:31.56 | art3mis | ./console pitchlimit -5 - This is like walking in 2 directions at once. Extremely trippy. |
| 20:32.15 | art3mis | ./console pitchlimit -45 - A combined view of things in front of you and things in back of you...upside down. |
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| 20:32.31 | art3mis | ./console pitchlimit 90 - RETURN TO NORMAL. |
| 20:32.34 | art3mis | heh |
| 20:32.42 | art3mis | only works in ptr appearantly |
| 20:33.29 | Guillotine | yah, pitchlimit was removed on normal for a bit |
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| 20:39.24 | Cairenn | http://status.fortressitx.com/ |
| 20:40.03 | zenzelezz | :-/ |
| 20:40.19 | bleeter | and here I was thiking it might've been 'coz dolby-wowi was fixing the Last-modified header as reported yesterday >< |
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| 20:44.21 | dolby-wowi | where did you report it bleeter? |
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| 20:44.53 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: I addressed you in here |
| 20:45.20 | bleeter | was gunna wait 24-48 hours, then go the email foo |
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| 20:45.58 | Laric | wowi down? |
| 20:46.26 | dolby-wowi | yes, datacenter we are in is under a major DDoS attack Laric |
| 20:47.00 | Kaydeethree | DDoS? what the hell for? |
| 20:47.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Not on WoWI, one the same datacenter |
| 20:47.24 | Shirik | because someone wants to be "cool" and "1337" |
| 20:47.29 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing someone didn't like one of the sites hosted at the datacenter |
| 20:48.21 | Guillotine | they could have prevented this by just Aceing the data center |
| 20:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol'ing IRL atm |
| 20:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks, Guillotine |
| 20:48.35 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 20:48.39 | dolby-wowi | lol |
| 20:48.41 | zenzelezz | they should've used CTL |
| 20:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously, what the crap |
| 20:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Why am I laughing like this |
| 20:49.16 | Kaydeethree | hahahaha |
| 20:51.23 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602583056&postId=16021997099&sid=1#0 |
| 20:51.39 | Guillotine | lol |
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| 20:52.38 | Lunessa | zomg. |
| 20:52.51 | art3mis | hehe maybe someone is REALLY offended that thier mom installed HKUI on thier machine so they're taking an active stance to stop it from getting out ;) |
| 20:52.55 | bleeter | actually, it's not Cide's fault... but I do know WHAT to blame... |
| 20:53.04 | art3mis | the ddos "could" be a force of good ;) |
| 20:54.56 | art3mis | dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnn |
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| 20:55.36 | Lunessa | ZOMG.... shifty and subversive people on IRC? NO WAI |
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| 20:56.29 | art3mis | wei |
| 20:56.32 | Laric | hmm is curse on the same datacenter? |
| 20:56.49 | art3mis | nah, curse is always crppy ;) |
| 20:57.06 | Guillotine | ~lart art3mis |
| 20:57.06 | purl | holds art3mis to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 20:57.14 | art3mis | what?! it is |
| 20:57.19 | Guillotine | curse is going fine for me now |
| 20:57.29 | art3mis | that doesnt change the fact its crappy |
| 20:57.38 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.43 | Guillotine | whats crappy about it? |
| 20:57.44 | art3mis | clikc thru advertising is enough to make me never use curse ever again |
| 20:57.51 | Guillotine | oh yah. I hate those too :P |
| 20:57.58 | Guillotine | though my GreaseMonkey just skips them >.> |
| 20:58.01 | Lunessa | Curse is trying to pump lots of bandwidth intensive, server-side process intensive, and extraneous crap to you every time you load a page. It's no wonder the site is a pain to use. |
| 20:58.20 | art3mis | oh and lets not forget the 3 pagse of "stuff" to get to the download page |
| 20:58.39 | Guillotine | 3 pages? www.curse.com, click on "Downloads" |
| 20:58.42 | bleeter | greasemonkey++ |
| 20:58.44 | Lunessa | Because they want you to see those ads so they can get paid. |
| 20:59.07 | Lunessa | I have no problem with them wanting to get some cash. I just find the implementation screwy. |
| 20:59.08 | art3mis | down load now *waits for new page* downdload link shows *wait for new page* pick mirror |
| 20:59.13 | Guillotine | unfortunately we need those ads :( Hosting that big a site is quite expensive |
| 20:59.30 | Lunessa | Hey, I understand. Really I do. |
| 20:59.38 | Lunessa | I just... well, hate it. |
| 20:59.42 | art3mis | i bet if you didnt push you 14 times the needed data to display the same thing bw costs would be that bad ;) |
| 20:59.53 | art3mis | wouldnt |
| 21:00.10 | art3mis | but yeah the click throughs suck so i don't use curse |
| 21:00.24 | art3mis | ya know whats super awesome about them? |
| 21:00.36 | art3mis | install opera and then go to a page on curse someone linked |
| 21:00.57 | art3mis | the first time you do it it reloads the page around 7 times trying to display/skip/stop the clickthru |
| 21:01.02 | art3mis | its pretty funny |
| 21:01.14 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 21:01.26 | Guillotine | I'll slap zeeg around about that |
| 21:01.31 | art3mis | its only the first time(or when you clear your cache i believe) |
| 21:01.44 | Guillotine | well, thats not *too* bad, but still |
| 21:01.53 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 21:02.56 | Guillotine | ck's response in that thread is pure gold http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602200767&sid=1 |
| 21:03.19 | bleeter | curse is fail 'coz it does that d/l URL hiding thing, as a consequence I gotta look for new URLs every now and then to see if it's updated and the site is teh turdz in elinks >< |
| 21:04.07 | zenzelezz | do browsers still offer to save screenshots from curse rather than display them? |
| 21:04.40 | Guillotine | firefox/ie don't |
| 21:04.46 | Guillotine | don't use opera, so I dunno |
| 21:05.09 | bleeter | elinks does |
| 21:05.24 | bleeter | well, I'm guessing it would if I actually went and tried |
| 21:08.49 | foxlit|mac | haha |
| 21:09.10 | foxlit|mac | 4x4 3-bit lookup table in 6 bytes |
| 21:09.14 | ckknight | Guillotine: ? |
| 21:09.22 | Guillotine | oh, sorry, cogwheel's |
| 21:09.26 | foxlit|mac | Good luck getting stuff out of that, foxlit! |
| 21:14.48 | art3mis | http://www.yourlibrary.ca/citizenship/index.cfm |
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| 21:16.43 | foxlit|mac | a = (a % 2 ^ (abit+3) - a % 2 ^ abit) / 2 ^ (abit-1); |
| 21:16.56 | foxlit|mac | -- this. is. madness. |
| 21:18.14 | Guillotine | art3mis: I got 7/10 correct |
| 21:18.40 | Shirik | heh foxlit|mac |
| 21:18.48 | Shirik | that's like one of Cidan's comments |
| 21:18.57 | art3mis | yay guill |
| 21:18.57 | Shirik | -- Don't try to figure out the code below. It works. Trust me. |
| 21:19.06 | art3mis | i go 80% on the 20 questions |
| 21:19.07 | Cidan-laptop | haha |
| 21:19.09 | Cidan-laptop | I remember that |
| 21:19.10 | Cidan-laptop | :D |
| 21:19.15 | art3mis | i missed the queen related ones |
| 21:19.27 | art3mis | cuz appearantly she has more pull than i thought |
| 21:19.39 | Guillotine | I didn't even know there WAS a queen of canada |
| 21:19.43 | foxlit|mac | I don't trust me at the moment |
| 21:19.44 | art3mis | the duties of canadians is an awesome question too |
| 21:19.54 | foxlit|mac | That's supposed to pull a 3-bit chunk out from a specific position of an integer |
| 21:20.09 | art3mis | "get a job, get married, have kids, mow your lawn, follow the law and vote" was one of the options |
| 21:20.19 | Guillotine | haha |
| 21:20.35 | art3mis | i got the bilingual opne wrong too |
| 21:20.53 | art3mis | appearantly newbrunswick is officially bilingual but ontario isnt |
| 21:21.22 | art3mis | although driving in from nigara falls you quickly realize that its not since its bi-country ;P |
| 21:21.52 | foxlit|mac | >>> 2 % 0; |
| 21:21.58 | foxlit|mac | lua> 2 % 0; |
| 21:21.59 | cladbot | foxlit|mac: nan |
| 21:24.23 | foxlit|mac | well, almost |
| 21:24.27 | foxlit|mac | a = (a % 2 ^ (abit+2) - a % 2 ^ (abit-1)) / 2 ^ (abit-1); |
| 21:24.50 | foxlit|mac | base 0 vs base 1 for abit :( |
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| 21:30.00 | foxlit|mac | Anyone aware of any DXT5-compressed BLPs in WoW? |
| 21:30.07 | foxlit|mac | (smooth transparency, mainly) |
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| 21:32.41 | Elkano | hmm... maybe the border of the tradskill, paperdoll frame and such have? |
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| 21:46.54 | foxlit|mac | Most of those seem to use dxt3 |
| 21:47.24 | Wraanger | question: we can get Unit reactions color, that's nice ..... how can one get unit difficulty color ? |
| 21:47.31 | cncfanatics | g'night people |
| 21:48.38 | cladhaire | Wraanger: if the default UI does it.. then yes.. you can do it. |
| 21:48.44 | cladhaire | look in TargetFrame to see how it does it. |
| 21:52.09 | Elkano | Wraanger: GetDifficultyColor(level) I think |
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| 21:52.54 | Wraanger | thanks, Elkano ... I have just found it in targetFrame.lua |
| 21:53.00 | Wraanger | but thanks anyway |
| 21:53.38 | cladhaire | does GetMapZones() return in a different order depending on locale? |
| 21:53.48 | foxlit|mac | quite likely |
| 21:54.01 | foxlit|mac | Hm, interesting |
| 21:54.15 | cladhaire | anyone have another locale to test with me? |
| 21:54.17 | foxlit|mac | PVP-Banner-Emblem-1.blp has a rather odd full-resultion image |
| 21:54.29 | foxlit|mac | elp |
| 21:54.34 | Cide | cladhaire: I seem to recall that it does |
| 21:54.39 | Cide | cladhaire: but not positive |
| 21:54.46 | foxlit|mac | sec, I can arrange something |
| 21:54.57 | cladhaire | so there's no cross-locale way to identify zones by number.. boo |
| 21:55.10 | Cide | pretty sure that's |
| 21:55.12 | foxlit|mac | Yeah, that was fun |
| 21:55.13 | Cide | correct |
| 21:55.25 | Cide | cladhaire: use the texture path if you can |
| 21:55.28 | Cide | could hash it :P |
| 21:55.41 | foxlit|mac | Continent position! |
| 21:55.43 | cladhaire | nah i suspect i'm going to have to do more than that |
| 21:55.45 | cladhaire | for lightheaded |
| 21:55.51 | Cide | ah, possibly |
| 21:55.55 | cladhaire | to make NPC coords work for other clients. |
| 21:56.19 | Cide | depends |
| 21:56.28 | foxlit|mac | cladhaire: it's sorted alphabetically |
| 21:56.32 | cladhaire | thanks,. |
| 21:56.48 | foxlit|mac | GetMapZones(1)[7] == "Die Exodar" |
| 21:56.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:56.58 | Cide | is that german? |
| 21:57.00 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:57.06 | Cide | yeah, it is |
| 21:57.08 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 21:57.11 | foxlit|mac | GetMapZones(2)[14] = "Krater von Un'Goro" |
| 21:57.23 | Cide | fuck alliance; die, exodar! |
| 21:57.53 | foxlit|mac | I have the german ELP installed for when I need to check that my globalization code works :) |
| 21:58.11 | cladhaire | foxlit|mac: :P |
| 21:58.21 | cladhaire | i'll have to make tokens, and localize those lists |
| 21:58.24 | cladhaire | that should be easy enough |
| 21:58.29 | cladhaire | Shirik: same |
| 21:59.01 | Cide | what does the language pack contain, exactly? |
| 21:59.05 | foxlit|mac | Therefore, most of my addons run without need for implicit localization |
| 21:59.11 | foxlit|mac | German-specific mpqs |
| 21:59.16 | Cide | what're in the mpqs? |
| 21:59.23 | foxlit|mac | Everything that's german :) |
| 21:59.30 | foxlit|mac | Names, graphics |
| 21:59.33 | foxlit|mac | Sounds |
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| 21:59.44 | Cide | well, which files are relevant to the user interface? |
| 21:59.49 | Cide | I don't care about graphichs/sounds |
| 21:59.56 | Cide | s/chs/cs/ |
| 22:00.07 | foxlit|mac | There's probably a copy of the german-localized FrameXML |
| 22:00.12 | foxlit|mac | GlobalStrings and stuff |
| 22:00.17 | Josh_Borke | ~lart cide |
| 22:00.17 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides cide with the sea of tranquility |
| 22:00.21 | foxlit|mac | But the UI code is mostly universal |
| 22:00.29 | Cide | bleeter: *whistle |
| 22:00.36 | Cide | just curious what you'd have to change to emulate another language |
| 22:00.41 | Cide | or locale |
| 22:01.16 | foxlit|mac | You can't, unless wow does it for you, really. |
| 22:01.21 | Cide | why, though? |
| 22:01.51 | foxlit|mac | Because code that handles language-resolution is on the C side |
| 22:02.23 | foxlit|mac | server sends "matheridon does shout #4", client translates that into text+audio |
| 22:02.51 | Cide | ah, true |
| 22:02.57 | foxlit|mac | the return values of the API are also changed from C, not Lua |
| 22:02.57 | Cide | forgot about combat log |
| 22:03.26 | foxlit|mac | Whenever you show an item tooltip, you get the language-appropriate version from item id |
| 22:05.41 | foxlit|mac | So, by the end of the day |
| 22:05.55 | foxlit|mac | I've ended up with a lua function that reads a BLP file and translates it to an array of pixels |
| 22:06.01 | cladhaire | k k |
| 22:06.04 | cladhaire | including 8-bit transparency? |
| 22:06.12 | foxlit|mac | including the alpha channel |
| 22:06.24 | cladhaire | thats one step closer to a photoshop plugin :P |
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| 22:06.37 | foxlit|mac | It can't really be called 8-bit for most of those formats, though |
| 22:07.16 | foxlit|mac | Compared, to, say, outputting a PNG, reading a BLP is simple |
| 22:07.59 | foxlit|mac | Thus far I can only export to 24-bit BMPs :( |
| 22:08.17 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 22:08.37 | foxlit|mac | Could dump the alpha channel as a mask, I guess |
| 22:12.40 | cladhaire | well all we care about is .TGA :P |
| 22:16.20 | foxlit|mac | Why .TGA? |
| 22:16.45 | cladhaire | well it'd be nice to have a simple blp2tga that works on any platform |
| 22:16.52 | cladhaire | but i agree, going from more complex formats is better |
| 22:17.17 | cladhaire | and cursing photoshop and psp for the way they handle transparency |
| 22:17.18 | foxlit|mac | Personally, I'd want a blp2png that's open and works everywhere |
| 22:17.38 | foxlit|mac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_graphics_file_formats |
| 22:17.48 | foxlit|mac | That should come with a "Implementable by" column |
| 22:18.00 | cladhaire | yes, but in the end we can't USE png |
| 22:18.08 | cladhaire | it depends on the purpose, I suppose =) |
| 22:18.09 | foxlit|mac | I'd settle for anything with a "swiss cheese and other inanimate objects" atm |
| 22:18.16 | foxlit|mac | You'd want to use blp, though |
| 22:18.58 | foxlit|mac | I'm not sure how intelligently wow can select which mipmap to use, but being able to scale up the resolution on some graphics and maintain crispness as lower sizes could be insanely good. |
| 22:23.27 | foxlit|mac | Random tidbit: .BMP can also contain images compressed with PNG or JPEG |
| 22:24.02 | foxlit|mac | The question "Why are you torturing PNG/JPEG?" does arise. |
| 22:24.38 | Kaydeethree | much along the lines of trying to put an h.264 video in an avi container? you can do it, but why? |
| 22:25.17 | foxlit|mac | Mm, maybe I'll end up defeating myself here, but I think there's a point in doing that |
| 22:25.52 | foxlit|mac | AVI is a container format to begin with; h.264 is just another codec |
| 22:26.21 | Kaydeethree | yes, but if you're going to use a modern codec, why not a modern container like mkv? |
| 22:26.32 | foxlit|mac | Get a mac. |
| 22:26.40 | foxlit|mac | Then try playing mkvs |
| 22:26.58 | foxlit|mac | It's not that you can't decode the video stream |
| 22:27.12 | foxlit|mac | It's that you can't get to it because of your relatively new and unsupported container format on this platform |
| 22:27.16 | Kaydeethree | wha, there isn't a CCCP for OS X? |
| 22:28.26 | foxlit|mac | No communism for macs, sorry :) |
| 22:28.40 | Kaydeethree | http://cccp-project.net/ |
| 22:29.31 | foxlit|mac | I see no OSX link; if you linked it in response to "communism", I was merely playing on what they're playing on with their name |
| 22:29.41 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 22:29.54 | Kaydeethree | and no, there isn't, which is sad. just figured there'd be something similar for OS X |
| 22:30.06 | foxlit|mac | As I said, codecs aren't really a problem |
| 22:30.36 | foxlit|mac | You can easily get quicktime to download the relevant WMV/DivX/XviD codecs, and quicktime is its own h.264 decoder |
| 22:31.03 | foxlit|mac | Support for Matroska, however, is... well, lacking. |
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| 22:32.54 | foxlit|mac | That could be a worthwhile project if I ever got myself together and actually read the objective-C manual |
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| 22:50.53 | foxlit|mac | lua> 256^5 |
| 22:50.53 | cladbot | foxlit|mac: 1099511627776 |
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| 23:00.26 | foxlit|mac | Hm |
| 23:00.36 | foxlit|mac | Turns out TGA is relatively simple to write to as well |
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| 23:04.28 | cladhaire | yeah thats why i suggested it. |
| 23:05.41 | foxlit|mac | Shorter than my writeBMP :P |
| 23:06.06 | foxlit|mac | Think it works as well |
| 23:07.27 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 23:07.43 | cladhaire | handle littleendian/bigendian differences as well? |
| 23:08.08 | foxlit|mac | Not as such |
| 23:09.00 | foxlit|mac | But that's as simple as doing a little :reverse(); |
| 23:11.02 | Kaydeethree | pop-up thunderstorms... </3 |
| 23:22.03 | foxlit|mac | Hm, wait a second. |
| 23:22.09 | foxlit|mac | TGA is little-endian |
| 23:25.02 | Kaydeethree | forums go splat for anyone else? |
| 23:27.27 | bleeter | wfm |
| 23:27.49 | Viserion | working for me but they seem to be really slow atm |
| 23:44.13 | Shirik | !ap 1478 |
| 23:44.14 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1478 is, 2v2: 257, 3v3: 294, 5v5: 367 |
| 23:44.16 | Shirik | !ap 1569 |
| 23:44.16 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1569 is, 2v2: 318, 3v3: 363, 5v5: 454 |
| 23:50.12 | Cide | Thrae: : any chance we could get the derivative for the specific rating? :) |
| 23:50.45 | [dRaCo] | !ar 454 |
| 23:50.46 | ThraeBot | [dRaCo]: Arena rating from 454 points is, 2v2: 1719, 3v3: 1658, 5v5: 1569 |
| 23:52.49 | AnduinLothar | So I finally found out what works well with a ret pally 2v2 |
| 23:52.56 | AnduinLothar | Mage |
| 23:54.17 | Shirik | I'd like to go up against you :) |
| 23:54.25 | Shirik | we do decently well against pally mage |
| 23:54.37 | Cide | mana burn mana burnmana burnmana burn |
| 23:54.39 | AnduinLothar | but those are usually holy pallies, neh? |
| 23:54.46 | Shirik | I don't pay attention to that |
| 23:54.50 | Shirik | so who knows |
| 23:54.52 | AnduinLothar | lol, very big diff |
| 23:54.55 | Shirik | Cide: My mana burn sucks |
| 23:55.04 | Shirik | The only real tool I have against pallies is mass dispel |
| 23:55.15 | Cide | go make it better :P |
| 23:55.20 | [dRaCo] | Paladin w/o mana is a dead Paladin. |
| 23:55.22 | Shirik | I'm holy.... |
| 23:55.29 | Cide | so am I |
| 23:55.34 | Cide | I have imp mass dispel and imp mana burn |
| 23:55.46 | Shirik | not going to change spec just for pvp >< |
| 23:56.06 | AnduinLothar | yes, but a ret pally with a big dps spd can still make himself a distraction. a holy pally oom is useless |
| 23:56.15 | AnduinLothar | sword* |
| 23:56.39 | [dRaCo] | retardins dont do any dmg w/o mana |
| 23:57.09 | AnduinLothar | not as much, but you can still crit for over 1k physical |
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| 23:57.16 | _Dark_666 | hello there |
| 23:57.18 | Shirik | but I'm assuming AnduinLothar will kill me |
| 23:57.19 | Shirik | so I won't |
| 23:57.22 | Cide | lol |
| 23:57.25 | Shirik | ~hug AnduinLothar |
| 23:57.25 | purl | ACTION hugs AnduinLothar |
| 23:57.25 | Kaydeethree | heyo |
| 23:57.26 | Shirik | hi _Dark_666 |
| 23:57.27 | Cide | they do some |
| 23:57.32 | cladhaire | they do a decent amount |
| 23:57.35 | Cide | but they're fairly reliant on crits, aren't they? |
| 23:57.36 | cladhaire | to say the least |
| 23:57.41 | cladhaire | Cide: yep, which is the good thing :P |
| 23:57.46 | Shirik | the only thing that makes me scared of ret pallies is all the stuns |
| 23:57.47 | Cide | crits make me laugh |
| 23:57.56 | Shirik | which is enough to take me down |
| 23:58.18 | AnduinLothar | repentance is really nice, cause oyu can use it as a ranged interupt |
| 23:58.25 | Shirik | exactly |
| 23:59.49 | AnduinLothar | having a mage also fixes the problem of not being able to catch up to things. we both have slow/snare |
