| 00:00.05 | Cidan | With IRC though, you have a reason. |
| 00:00.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | what reason? |
| 00:00.11 | Cidan | I can chat with you all in here from in game. |
| 00:00.16 | Cidan | Or vice versa |
| 00:00.20 | Cidan | even while you all aren't playing |
| 00:00.29 | Cidan | Or I can talk to my EFNet buddies, who don't even play WoW. |
| 00:00.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and? |
| 00:00.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | how's that not a good thing? |
| 00:00.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd still use /1 for guild stuff |
| 00:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 00:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | realm stuff |
| 00:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | most would |
| 00:00.58 | Cidan | I disagree. |
| 00:01.00 | Cidan | Most would not. |
| 00:01.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's easier to talk in /1 than go |
| 00:01.09 | Cidan | I know the INSTANT I have an in-game IRC chat |
| 00:01.13 | Cidan | I would leave /1 /2 et al |
| 00:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | "okay every1 go to irc.efnet.net #wow-llane and hope we have enough support |
| 00:01.27 | rae|school | It encourages people to idle their toons and eat up resources from other players just so they can chat on IRC? |
| 00:01.30 | Cidan | That's not the point |
| 00:01.32 | Cidan | arghghgh |
| 00:01.33 | Cidan | Forget it |
| 00:01.33 | Cidan | look |
| 00:01.36 | Cidan | They won't add it |
| 00:01.38 | Cidan | end of story |
| 00:01.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they should |
| 00:01.44 | Cidan | Going to go level now. |
| 00:02.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead i just idle my toon and eat up resources chatting on irc in alt-tab or on another pc, rae|school |
| 00:02.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm idle probably 80% of the time |
| 00:02.31 | rae|school | Yes, but then you can time out |
| 00:02.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really |
| 00:02.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | every 20 mins or so i hit w |
| 00:03.10 | rae|school | And still.. it's encouragement. It doesn't mean it can't be doen without it. |
| 00:03.19 | rae|school | It's just more likely to have more people do it |
| 00:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of these are pretty lame reasons to not implement something |
| 00:03.46 | rae|school | Well you still haven't given a compelling reason to implement it either :-P |
| 00:04.00 | Cidan | Just, let it go. |
| 00:04.18 | rae|school | Go level, Cide! |
| 00:04.27 | Cidan | Cidan, lol |
| 00:04.29 | Cidan | Poor Cide. |
| 00:04.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's easily done and plenty of people would love being able to talk to their irc buddies while grinding mobs and stuff |
| 00:04.54 | rae|school | There's another Cide? |
| 00:05.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's Cide |
| 00:05.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then there's Cidan |
| 00:05.16 | rae|school | Sonofa.. |
| 00:05.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey, steam community implemented |
| 00:05.48 | Cidan | Seriously, why did I go through a portal, and lose my pet? |
| 00:05.58 | Cidan | Was it because he wasn't loyal yet? |
| 00:06.12 | rae|school | Was the portal to a no-petting zone? |
| 00:06.25 | Cidan | Shat |
| 00:07.07 | rae|school | Are you sure it's lost and not just running around the countryside looking for you? |
| 00:07.21 | Cidan | No, I hearthed back to IF. |
| 00:07.35 | Cidan | "You do not have a pet to summon." |
| 00:08.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | what happens when you hit dismiss pet |
| 00:08.22 | Cidan | I can't |
| 00:08.26 | Cidan | I'm not kidding |
| 00:08.27 | rae|school | Perhaps then it's because you're playing the evil Alliance |
| 00:08.30 | Cidan | The entire Pet tab, etc |
| 00:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | what about the stable master? |
| 00:08.32 | Cidan | is all gone. |
| 00:08.34 | rae|school | And your toon needs to be executed immediately |
| 00:08.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | dismiss pet isn't part of the pet tab :o |
| 00:08.51 | rae|school | That would be my bet |
| 00:08.59 | rae|school | I'm off to school now.. again... later |
| 00:09.11 | Cidan | "You do not have a pet" |
| 00:09.27 | Shirik | dear god |
| 00:09.34 | Shirik | I am in Kara with the worst priest on the face of the earth |
| 00:09.34 | Cidan | Yes? |
| 00:09.40 | Shirik | please help me |
| 00:09.45 | Cidan | Ah, been looking in a mirror lately, Shirik? |
| 00:10.05 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 00:10.16 | Cidan | Quite unlikely. |
| 00:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | stable master time? |
| 00:10.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | or maybe you just lost your pet :x |
| 00:10.38 | Cidan | Tried it |
| 00:10.42 | Cidan | The pet is just, gone. |
| 00:10.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is why we don't get attached |
| 00:10.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | try relogging? |
| 00:10.58 | JoshBorke | fyi, the bleach movie sucked monkey balls |
| 00:11.04 | Cidan | JoshBorke, so I heard. |
| 00:11.18 | JoshBorke | i enjoyed the inuyasha movies |
| 00:11.46 | Cidan | Nope, pet is gone. |
| 00:11.48 | Cidan | Oh well |
| 00:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | <JoshBorke> i enjoyed...inuyasha... |
| 00:12.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're dead to me |
| 00:12.53 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies2: aw, i was alive to you? YAY |
| 00:13.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=191 |
| 00:13.36 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:13.41 | JoshBorke | have that bookmarked for just these occasions? |
| 00:14.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i'm just an expert at the internet |
| 00:14.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm a grand master internetter |
| 00:14.24 | Kaso | Im just imagening the sound that'd go with *Monocle* |
| 00:14.28 | Kaso | it is a fine fine sound |
| 00:14.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 00:14.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy that draws vgcats is a goon, so yeah |
| 00:15.32 | JoshBorke | so it sounds nothing like inuyasha |
| 00:16.19 | JoshBorke | but i might watch it |
| 00:16.52 | JoshBorke | what's the website to search for anime torrents? |
| 00:17.17 | Cidan | uh |
| 00:17.19 | Cidan | any? |
| 00:17.24 | JoshBorke | kk |
| 00:18.11 | Kirkburn|afk | For any Steam fans, it's update time :P |
| 00:18.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 00:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Mr_Rabies2> hey, steam community implemented |
| 00:18.31 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 00:18.38 | JoshBorke | i have been denied :-( |
| 00:18.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies2, fair few other updates it seems too |
| 00:19.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | orly |
| 00:19.13 | Kirkburn|afk | I have added WoW to my Steam games list :P |
| 00:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait what |
| 00:19.22 | Shirik | !c us drenden deluxx |
| 00:19.24 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Deluxx, Level 70 Undead Priest (20/41/0). 6171 HP; 9255 Mana; 404 mana regen; 127 mp5; 117 +spell dmg; 1483 +heal; 5.14% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 393 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22po9w ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3c79he ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 20:32:01 2007 ]] |
| 00:19.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Steam shortcuts = |
| 00:19.38 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 00:20.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, I bought Peggle Deluxe, awesome game |
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| 00:20.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | you bought orange box? |
| 00:20.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Ayup, but that only comes with Peggle Extreme |
| 00:20.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought that was the only way to get peggle deluxe |
| 00:20.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 00:20.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:20.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | extreme |
| 00:20.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | duh |
| 00:20.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Peggle Deluxe is the full version, confusingly |
| 00:20.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got them mixed up |
| 00:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked extreme |
| 00:21.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much is deluxe |
| 00:21.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | also whats your steamid |
| 00:21.15 | Kirkburn|afk | $9.95 |
| 00:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i found you |
| 00:21.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | KirkBurn |
| 00:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | WoWWikiWoWWikiWoWWikiWoWWikiWoWWiki |
| 00:21.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed :P |
| 00:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | steampowered.com is crippled atm |
| 00:22.52 | Kirkburn|afk | And what about you? |
| 00:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am not |
| 00:23.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Crippled? |
| 00:23.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 00:23.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Or on Steam Community? |
| 00:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i added you |
| 00:23.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 00:24.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Not seeing any notice or anything |
| 00:24.16 | Kirkburn|afk | How can I find you? |
| 00:24.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mr_Rabies |
| 00:24.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | just type it in on the search thing |
| 00:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | or click the friends button |
| 00:24.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it says i sent you an invitation |
| 00:25.18 | Kirkburn|afk | 15/f/Seattle ... |
| 00:25.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 00:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's my avatar |
| 00:25.36 | Kirkburn|afk | orly? |
| 00:25.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldn't find anything else entertaining for now |
| 00:25.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, I haven't got anything yet, so fair enough |
| 00:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | this steam community stuff is great |
| 00:32.54 | Kirkburn|afk | :D |
| 00:32.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like facebook only useful |
| 00:34.05 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
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| 00:36.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | so how did you add WoW, kirk? |
| 00:36.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | ooh i see |
| 00:43.06 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion overclocked |
| 00:43.08 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Overclocked, Level 70 Undead Priest (23/38/0). 6971 HP; 8255 Mana; 346 mana regen; 104 mp5; 11 spell crit; 3 spell hit; 191 +spell dmg; 1397 +heal; 5.42% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 848 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvldsx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nddfs ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 20:55:45 2007 ]] |
| 00:47.27 | Thunder_Child | love it http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/gliding-laptop-mount-is-perfect-for-the-lazy-college-student-299311.php?autoplay=true |
| 00:48.25 | Thunder_Child | lazyness ftw |
| 00:51.28 | JoshBorke | hot damn for the interweb! |
| 00:51.33 | JoshBorke | getting 2.0 MB/s on a torrent |
| 00:53.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 00:53.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 350 KB/s is my max |
| 00:54.32 | JoshBorke | move back to uni |
| 00:54.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | was slower |
| 00:54.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~10KB/s |
| 00:54.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | or less |
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| 00:55.03 | JoshBorke | ouch |
| 00:55.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | often totally unusable |
| 00:55.18 | JoshBorke | well, that one sucked |
| 00:55.21 | JoshBorke | mine is way better |
| 00:55.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | you go to gatech |
| 00:55.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | of course it is |
| 00:55.44 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 00:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | bastard :[ |
| 00:55.59 | Thunder_Child | i can get 1MB/s but not usualy |
| 00:56.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | UWG here |
| 00:56.04 | JoshBorke | i graduate in december :-( |
| 00:56.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | or well |
| 00:56.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was |
| 00:56.14 | Thunder_Child | atm i am geting ~60 :( |
| 00:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | skipped too much class |
| 00:56.35 | JoshBorke | skipping class is bad |
| 00:56.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | need to get shit back together and go |
| 00:56.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i really hate school |
| 00:56.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate work even more |
| 00:56.57 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:57.02 | JoshBorke | i think my high download is breaking my interweb |
| 00:57.03 | Thunder_Child | ya, School > work |
| 00:57.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be perfectly content playing WoW and quake wars until the day i died |
| 00:58.32 | Thunder_Child | hmm..according to ff+torrent i am DL'ing at 880kB/s but the widows monitor says 2.16MB/s |
| 00:58.47 | Thunder_Child | i wonder which is correct |
| 00:58.59 | JoshBorke | i'm connected to a guy at clemson |
| 01:02.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:02.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason |
| 01:02.10 | JoshBorke | wow, clemson is the place to live. they have an uncapped upload |
| 01:02.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think my wow still uses the pre 2.0 login music O_o |
| 01:02.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | er pre-bc |
| 01:06.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, no |
| 01:06.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've just gotten so used to the bc music i guess |
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| 01:11.57 | Legorol | does anyone know of a way to listen to the pre-bc login music? |
| 01:12.10 | JoshBorke | hey lego |
| 01:12.32 | Legorol | hi |
| 01:13.48 | Kaydeethree | I'll let you know when mpqedit finishes loading the 81k files in common.mpq |
| 01:13.57 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:13.58 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:14.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | what "dot nerf" is this guy talking about? |
| 01:14.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602251204&postId=16021173313&sid=1#2 |
| 01:14.35 | Kaydeethree | resil affecting dots? |
| 01:14.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought that was already in |
| 01:14.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | joshborke: |
| 01:14.54 | Kaydeethree | 2.2 |
| 01:15.19 | JoshBorke | no, it is in for 2.2 |
| 01:16.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just listened to it |
| 01:16.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleh |
| 01:16.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | where is it |
| 01:17.44 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | sound/music/gluescreenmusic/wow_main_theme.mp3 |
| 01:17.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleh |
| 01:19.13 | Thunder_Child | lol, "Dr. Quintano, Medicine Woman" |
| 01:19.52 | Legorol | why do people not play BGs at 3am.. |
| 01:19.55 | Legorol | i want to get into WSG :/ |
| 01:20.12 | Legorol | Kaydeethree and Mr_Rabies2, thanks |
| 01:20.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 01:20.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought that was joshborke that wanted the sound, that's why i said JoshBorke: |
| 01:20.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i couldn't find the file :P |
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| 01:46.19 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602251204&postId=16021173313&sid=1#2 |
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| 01:51.09 | Thunder_Child | grrr...why does ETQW not have a setings.ini type file |
| 01:53.55 | Olison | it does |
| 01:54.32 | Thunder_Child | my documents? |
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| 01:57.45 | Thunder_Child | ahhh...i really really hate games that wont let you pick the monitor ro display on |
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| 02:11.49 | |Jelly| | http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1786/uissblakur8.jpg <-- makes me facepalm |
| 02:12.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that |
| 02:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that the star trek font |
| 02:13.17 | |Jelly| | Who cares? The UI is horrible for anything than lowbie soloing. |
| 02:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | has most everything he needs, no? |
| 02:14.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | except for spell slots |
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| 02:53.42 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 02:53.50 | JoshBorke | ~botmail for Cairenn *hugs* |
| 02:54.49 | Thunder_Child | ~botmail for Cairenn JoshBorke lies! |
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| 03:00.45 | sioraiocht | ~botmail for Cairenn I love you more than JoshBorke. |
| 03:01.29 | Thunder_Child | ~botmail for Cairenn sioraiocht also lies! |
| 03:01.30 | Wobwork | Is that saying much? |
| 03:01.40 | sioraiocht | hahah |
| 03:01.44 | Wobwork | I mean, how much -do- you love Josh? |
| 03:02.07 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 03:02.44 | sioraiocht | are any of you from the UK? |
| 03:02.55 | Iriel | I'm /from/ the UK, just not /in/ the UK |
| 03:03.09 | Wobwork | I've often been mistaken from being from the UK |
| 03:03.16 | Wobwork | (the only thing that saves me is my teeth) |
| 03:03.20 | sioraiocht | Iriel: I have cell phone carrier questions |
| 03:03.31 | Iriel | Not a good person for that then, sorry |
| 03:03.35 | sioraiocht | Wobwork: and undoubtedly your impossible to resist accent |
| 03:03.38 | sioraiocht | Iriel: didn't think so, lol |
| 03:03.48 | Wobwork | Well, I have an aussie accent most of the time, so it's even better =) |
| 03:03.55 | sioraiocht | Aussie accent = incredibly fucking hot |
| 03:03.59 | sioraiocht | I know, lol |
| 03:04.11 | Wobwork | rawr =) |
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| 03:04.44 | Wobwork | he gives into temptation so easily =P |
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| 03:04.49 | sioraiocht | oops |
| 03:04.55 | Wobwork | back with the iphone yet? |
| 03:04.59 | sioraiocht | hahha |
| 03:05.00 | sioraiocht | well |
| 03:05.05 | sioraiocht | it doesn't support UMTS/HSDPA yet |
| 03:05.09 | sioraiocht | which is holding me back |
| 03:05.14 | sioraiocht | I mean, besides the exorbitant price |
| 03:05.59 | clad|book | Anyone here familiar with creating textures in Photoshop? |
| 03:07.01 | Thunder_Child | and the fact that the unlocking may be disabled with every firmware update |
| 03:07.08 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/the-odds-a-firmware-update-will-relock-your-iphone-very-high-299224.php |
| 03:07.29 | sioraiocht | I know |
| 03:07.39 | sioraiocht | I'm hoping they eventually release an unlocked version |
| 03:09.09 | Thunder_Child | apple? |
| 03:09.14 | sioraiocht | yeah |
| 03:09.31 | Thunder_Child | gonna be a long time, they signed an exclusive contract i think |
| 03:10.19 | Iriel | 2 years, IIRC |
| 03:10.37 | sioraiocht | 5 years, iirc, lol |
| 03:11.28 | sioraiocht | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/vader-terror-gizmodo.jpg |
| 03:14.17 | Corrodias | it doesn't say just what unlocking an iphone does |
| 03:16.52 | Corrodias | does it allow you to... call people? >_> |
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| 03:17.04 | Kaydeethree | on networks other than AT&T |
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| 03:17.56 | Iriel | It allows you to use the phone with a SIM from another carrier. |
| 03:18.04 | sioraiocht | Corrodias: you can use a SIM from other networks |
| 03:18.07 | Iriel | It allows you to use the phone as YOUR phone on a network other than AT&T |
| 03:18.13 | sioraiocht | AND it allows full data and phone access |
| 03:18.20 | sioraiocht | I hate locked phones -_- |
| 03:21.32 | sioraiocht | but buying an unlocked phone is RIDICULOUS?LY expensive |
| 03:22.02 | Corrodias | hah.. HAHAHA |
| 03:22.29 | Corrodias | WOW. that's a phenomenal way to make the device suck, locking it in to a single carrier. |
| 03:22.52 | clad|book | tell that to the 1 million people who've bought them |
| 03:22.59 | Thunder_Child | well obviously the iphone doesnt suck |
| 03:23.03 | Thunder_Child | and it's like that |
| 03:23.17 | clad|book | and to be fair, buying an unlocked iphone isn't much more expensive than buying say, an unlocked blackberry pearl, or sony ericsson phone. |
| 03:23.26 | Corrodias | sucking is a subjective thing; if i have to use it on AT&T, it sucks. |
| 03:23.38 | sioraiocht | I can't believe the didn't put HSDPA/UMTS on it |
| 03:24.04 | sioraiocht | clad|book: but buying an unlocked iPhone is a hack that might be fuct later |
| 03:24.46 | clad|book | meh, don't update your phone :P |
| 03:24.52 | clad|book | problem solved. |
| 03:24.53 | clad|book | scp ftw |
| 03:24.59 | sioraiocht | or wait until someone else does, I know, hehe |
| 03:25.50 | Thunder_Child | do you have the option not to? |
| 03:25.59 | sioraiocht | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 03:26.07 | sioraiocht | the firmware updates are not obligatory by any means |
| 03:26.40 | Corrodias | until the apple mercenaries come by |
| 03:26.54 | sioraiocht | and shoot you in the face? lol |
| 03:26.55 | kergoth | meh, damn tbc downloader is taking ages |
| 03:26.58 | kergoth | 30K/s ftl |
| 03:27.07 | sioraiocht | I still think i'd prefer a QWERTY keyboard to multitouch, though |
| 03:27.15 | Kaydeethree | make sure you've got "throttle download speed" unchecked |
| 03:27.28 | kergoth | extracted the torrent |
| 03:27.31 | kergoth | using that |
| 03:27.38 | Corrodias | almost have AspectshiftingBar working with Bartender, but i seem to have broken the skinning. hmm... |
| 03:27.44 | Kaydeethree | bah. the tracker never gives good peers |
| 03:28.08 | kergoth | so it seems... next time i reinstall windows, i'm gonna back up my damn wow directory |
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| 03:28.48 | Corrodias | sorry to hear it |
| 03:29.17 | sioraiocht | Iriel: here's a quesetino for you, are 0845 numbers free to call or no? |
| 03:29.39 | Iriel | They didn't exist when I stopped living there, so i'm afraid I dont know |
| 03:30.01 | Legorol | is this a question about 0845 numbers in the UK? |
| 03:30.16 | sioraiocht | Legorol: yeah |
| 03:30.48 | Legorol | they are not free, they are called "national rate" by the general populace |
| 03:31.03 | sioraiocht | ah, wow, they're actually effing expensive |
| 03:31.07 | Legorol | for all intents and purposes, whether calling from a landline or a mobile, it's like calling a normal landline |
| 03:31.40 | sioraiocht | a lot of businesses seem to have them |
| 03:31.40 | Legorol | there are some special phone plans/deals where calling them on say a landline might be more expensive than calling your nextdoor neighbour, but those are rare |
| 03:31.41 | clad|book | Iriel: ping in PMs? or do you hate me today? :P |
| 03:32.03 | Legorol | there is one caveat though for mobiles: 0845 numbers will be fully charged to you even if you have free minutes |
| 03:32.20 | Legorol | this is a recent change, and i'm not sure if it applise to all mobile companies, but it certainly does to O2 |
| 03:32.24 | sioraiocht | Legorol: another question that clad and I have---do any mobile carriers believe in free mobile to mobile (within the same network) calls |
| 03:32.41 | Legorol | nope |
| 03:32.59 | sioraiocht | booo, but all incoming calls are free, right? |
| 03:33.03 | Legorol | but almost all contract plans offer set amount of free minutes, which applies to within-network calls too |
| 03:33.15 | Legorol | as long as you aren't roaming, they are free, yes |
| 03:33.19 | sioraiocht | okay |
| 03:33.19 | sioraiocht | thanks |
| 03:33.22 | sioraiocht | that makes sense |
| 03:33.46 | Legorol | the big mobile companies moved towards simplified and unified price schemes |
| 03:34.00 | sioraiocht | there's so many things we take for granted her ein the US (phone conventions being one of them) that so many people think don't bear mentioning because there everyone just "knows" it |
| 03:34.19 | Legorol | so usually it's something like "X to call landlines, Y to call mobiles, on weekends it might be cheaper a bit, and your free minutes apply to everything across the board equally (except special numbers)" |
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| 03:34.45 | sioraiocht | ah, thanks! |
| 03:34.48 | Legorol | i'm more than happy to answer anything related to mobiles in the UK :)) |
| 03:34.50 | sioraiocht | do you use O2? |
| 03:34.57 | sioraiocht | they seem to be the cheapest, by far |
| 03:35.06 | Legorol | i use O2 yes |
| 03:35.16 | sioraiocht | and do you not hate them? lol |
| 03:35.35 | Legorol | i was primarily driven by the fact that at the time i originally got it, there was difference in intra- and inter-network costs, and almost all my acquaintances had O2 |
| 03:35.44 | sioraiocht | ahhh |
| 03:35.51 | Legorol | yes i do hate them, they are incompetent :) |
| 03:35.52 | sioraiocht | my only O2 reservation is no 3G |
| 03:35.54 | sioraiocht | eep |
| 03:36.02 | sioraiocht | stuck in a contract? heh |
| 03:36.07 | Legorol | for the first 1.5 years that i was using them, they have managed not to charge me for GPRS usage |
| 03:36.14 | Legorol | somehow any usage i did, just fell through the system |
| 03:36.21 | Legorol | i enjoyed that quite a bit, obviously :) |
| 03:36.35 | Legorol | i even went as far as pointing this fact out to them (twice), but they didn't manage to rectify it |
| 03:36.43 | sioraiocht | is there someone else you would recommend? |
| 03:36.44 | Legorol | eventually they started charging though :'( |
| 03:36.46 | sioraiocht | vodafone, orange? |
| 03:36.47 | sioraiocht | bummer |
| 03:37.06 | Legorol | i don't think it matters really, they are all the same |
| 03:37.12 | sioraiocht | lol all incompetent? |
| 03:37.19 | Legorol | go with the one that has the best calling plan suited to your needs |
| 03:37.26 | Legorol | yah all incompetent, because they are all large |
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| 03:37.59 | sioraiocht | sounds like the US, of course two of the three majors carriers are owned by European telecoms, lol |
| 03:38.57 | Legorol | O2 has just recently further simplified their prices |
| 03:39.17 | Legorol | at the moment it's a flat 20p for any type of call (land and mobile) any time of day, for the majority of contract plans |
| 03:40.09 | Legorol | i'd imagine orange/vodafone would be similar because they always closely watch each other |
| 03:40.23 | sioraiocht | lol orange names all their plans after animals |
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| 03:42.39 | Legorol | yah |
| 03:42.52 | sioraiocht | wellthanks, that cleared some stuff up |
| 03:42.58 | Legorol | and looking at their charges, they seem to be doing 12p for landline/Orange and 35p for other mobiles |
| 03:43.04 | Legorol | so that's different from O2 |
| 03:43.12 | sioraiocht | I hope to never go outside my minutes anyway ;) |
| 03:44.24 | sioraiocht | Legorol: do people tend to buy unlocked phones or get contract ones? |
| 03:44.42 | sioraiocht | some forums I read were like EVERYONE BUYS UNLOCKED, but those are SO expensive |
| 03:44.46 | Legorol | unlocked phones are a bit .. complicated here |
| 03:44.46 | Wobwork | depends on what you can afford |
| 03:45.07 | Legorol | whether your phone is unlocked or not is mostly based on luck |
| 03:45.18 | Legorol | you might get a phone with your contract and it's an unlocked one, |
| 03:45.25 | Legorol | or it might not be unlocked |
| 03:45.38 | Wobwork | wouldn't the contract say? |
| 03:45.41 | Legorol | you buy a phone with a pre-pay scheme, and it may/may not be unlocked |
| 03:45.50 | Legorol | no, the contract usually doesn't say :) |
| 03:45.54 | Iriel | I know in the US if you sign a contract with say, t-Mobile, and ask them to unlock it because you'll be travelling in the UK, they'll get the unlock code for you |
| 03:45.55 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 03:46.15 | Legorol | my past experience has been that O2 phones tend to be unlocked |
| 03:46.16 | sioraiocht | Iriel: you can legally break a simlock in the US |
| 03:46.26 | sioraiocht | consumer protection laws say you can't be penalised for it |
| 03:46.41 | Legorol | but orange contract phones tend to be locked |
| 03:46.42 | sioraiocht | hrm |
| 03:46.52 | sioraiocht | I hear orange phones tend ot have disgusting branding |
| 03:46.57 | Legorol | yes, they do |
| 03:47.03 | sioraiocht | of course I coudl always reflash the phone and break the simlock myself... |
| 03:47.05 | Legorol | there's a little orange logo on their phones |
| 03:47.12 | Legorol | if you have the tools ;-) |
| 03:47.19 | sioraiocht | it's pretty easy |
| 03:47.26 | sioraiocht | it took me about 20 secs to break the simlock on my current phone |
| 03:47.27 | Legorol | i don't know if all O2 phones are still unlocked, since i haven't upgraded in like 2 years |
| 03:47.44 | Legorol | but so far all three O2 phones i owned, which came with a contract each time, were unlocked |
| 03:47.48 | sioraiocht | this is what clad and I do to waste time, consider things like the cell phone we want |
| 03:47.54 | clad|book | lol :P |
| 03:47.54 | Legorol | since they bind you into a 12 month contract, they do recover the cost of the phone |
| 03:48.11 | sioraiocht | when really, more importantly, we need towrry about like |
| 03:48.14 | sioraiocht | robes |
| 03:48.21 | sioraiocht | BANK ACCOUNTS *whimpers* |
| 03:48.23 | Legorol | yes, yes you do! those are important |
| 03:48.26 | Legorol | bank account isn't ;-) |
| 03:48.38 | sioraiocht | Legorol: opening a bank account as a visa holder is like |
| 03:48.39 | Legorol | bank account is easy as pie, walk into the local branch and open one |
| 03:48.39 | sioraiocht | hell |
| 03:48.53 | sioraiocht | we have to bring "I'm not a terrorist" proof |
| 03:48.54 | Legorol | hrmmm wasn't for me when i was on a student visa |
| 03:49.01 | sioraiocht | orly? |
| 03:49.09 | sioraiocht | I was told to expect up to three weeks of red tape |
| 03:49.19 | Legorol | in fact i opened mine by having a bank representative attending my school and giving me a piece of paper to fill out, and that was that |
| 03:49.21 | Wobwork | I'd say you need proof of residence |
| 03:49.34 | Legorol | sioraiocht: might depend on the nature of the visa |
| 03:49.36 | Wobwork | ie, a bill with your address and name on it |
| 03:49.48 | Legorol | Wobwork: why would you need one? |
| 03:49.48 | Wobwork | although it could depend on level of id you can muster |
| 03:49.57 | sioraiocht | Wobwork: well, that's the problem, you can't open up an account for fuckall without a bank account |
| 03:49.58 | Wobwork | for a bank account? |
| 03:49.59 | Legorol | most banks are more than happy to take your money |
| 03:50.10 | clad|book | we've heard horror stories |
| 03:50.21 | Legorol | i wouldn't worry about them |
| 03:50.22 | sioraiocht | Legorol: did you do this prior to 9/11 or 7/7? |
| 03:50.28 | Legorol | yes, prior |
| 03:50.32 | sioraiocht | bank laws have changed since then |
| 03:50.34 | Legorol | so it could've changed ) |
| 03:50.35 | sioraiocht | for ZOMG terrorism |
| 03:50.38 | Legorol | bleh |
| 03:50.44 | sioraiocht | like, drastically |
| 03:50.57 | Wobwork | Best way is to have a uk citizen set it up for you |
| 03:50.59 | Legorol | ok, then my knowledge is outdated |
| 03:51.05 | Wobwork | that's what I did in china |
| 03:51.08 | sioraiocht | Wobwork: that's not a possibility |
| 03:51.13 | Wobwork | (albeit not with a uk citizen =P) |
| 03:51.39 | Legorol | i really don't expect anything complicated for a US citizen with a student visa |
| 03:52.23 | Legorol | but i haven't opened a bank account in a while |
| 03:52.37 | Legorol | if you are doing bank accounts though, here is a little tip that the bank won't tell you: |
| 03:52.48 | Legorol | by default, they will automatically take tax off of the interest they pay you |
| 03:52.53 | Legorol | even if you don't need to pay tax |
| 03:53.05 | Legorol | unless you actually bother to notify them that they shouldn't, they will quietly keep doing it |
| 03:53.06 | sioraiocht | what what WHAT? |
| 03:53.15 | Legorol | so remember this one |
| 03:53.30 | sioraiocht | that would annoy me, I already have to pay VAT, lo |
| 03:53.32 | sioraiocht | l |
| 03:53.36 | sioraiocht | AND US income taxes |
| 03:53.37 | Legorol | pay VAT? |
| 03:53.49 | sioraiocht | yeah, we can't get it refunded like tourists can, heh |
| 03:53.52 | Legorol | only if you buy stuff |
| 03:53.59 | Legorol | that's got nothing to do with banking |
| 03:54.02 | Legorol | as for US income taxes: |
| 03:54.05 | Kaydeethree | wait, so the ~3 cents of interest I usually get for the cash in my savings account should actually be 4 cents? |
| 03:54.06 | Kaydeethree | insanity |
| 03:54.11 | Legorol | i really don't know much about US-UK-wise, |
| 03:54.24 | Legorol | but i'd imagine there is a standard bilateral agreement for avoiding double taxation |
| 03:54.28 | Legorol | (most civilised countries have one) |
| 03:54.32 | sioraiocht | Legorol: the US is a unitary tax state, any income you ever have must be reported to the IRS |
| 03:55.01 | Legorol | i have no idea if/how the agreement looks like for the US-UK specifically, if you can choose which one you pay tax to, etc. |
| 03:55.13 | sioraiocht | Legorol: You receive a credit for taxes paid to foreign governments, but that money is not exempt from taxation (i.e. it's not tax deductible) |
| 03:55.16 | Legorol | every pair of country is always different |
| 03:55.31 | Legorol | ok, but: |
| 03:55.43 | Legorol | if you were earning interest in the US on a US bank account, with no other income, |
| 03:55.45 | Legorol | would you have to pay tax? |
| 03:55.52 | sioraiocht | to the US? yes. to the UK? no |
| 03:55.58 | Legorol | no, not to the UK, obviously |
| 03:56.07 | Legorol | to the US: doesn't it depend on your total income? |
| 03:56.09 | sioraiocht | but if you earn interest in the UK on a UK bank account, you have to report it to the US |
| 03:56.10 | Wobwork | This is why you work in dubai |
| 03:56.18 | Legorol | ie. aren't there some minimum incomes below which you don't pay tax? |
| 03:56.43 | sioraiocht | Legorol: below the subsistence line, yes =p otherwise, everyone pays, some people get refunds |
| 03:56.52 | Legorol | sioraiocht: if you have to report it to the US, that sucks |
| 03:56.57 | Legorol | you might end up having to pay tax twice |
| 03:57.14 | Legorol | but this is why i suggest you look at the specific of US-UK double taxation agreements |
| 03:57.25 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure there is one, and they are usually complicated :) |
| 03:57.33 | Legorol | and it may not be worth it for the 5 pennies of tax you'll be paying |
| 03:57.34 | sioraiocht | I have =/ my dad may or may not have had trouble for off shore accounts previously |
| 03:57.37 | sioraiocht | the Serious Kind |
| 03:58.16 | Legorol | i had a claim against the UK IRS once.. i claimed back 2 pounds 46 pennies :)) |
| 03:58.21 | sioraiocht | hahah NICE |
| 03:58.26 | Legorol | the postage cost was more |
| 03:58.36 | Legorol | but it was a fun exercise that got me to learn/understand the stuff |
| 03:59.04 | Legorol | i also had a nice run-in with my bank |
| 03:59.37 | Legorol | when i, the unknowing foreigner (who was a minor at the time) opened my little student account, the bank didn't bother informing me that they'd be deducting tax from the interest |
| 04:00.02 | Legorol | when i eventually found out and made a complaint, along the lines of "how the hell was i supposed to know and shouldn't you let me know, especially given that i'm a clueless child, and you are exploiting me!" |
| 04:00.15 | Legorol | they apologised profusely and gave me something like £25 credit |
| 04:00.16 | Wobwork | . o O ("Waaah!") |
| 04:00.38 | Wobwork | Legorol: sounds like claiming back change from the Dublin bus system =P |
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| 04:00.42 | Legorol | the total amount of tax i paid up to that point was something like 30 pennies |
| 04:01.00 | Wobwork | man, they burnt you good =P |
| 04:01.12 | Legorol | yes, they did! i got one less lollipop |
| 04:01.18 | Wobwork | =( |
| 04:01.39 | Legorol | the thing that drives me nuts though is what makes you exempt from tax on interest |
| 04:01.52 | Legorol | in my stay here in the UK i have cycled through at least 3 different excuses |
| 04:01.56 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 04:02.02 | sioraiocht | Legorol: where are you from? |
| 04:02.04 | Legorol | and each time one of them became invalid, the bank dutifully started deducing tax again |
| 04:02.24 | Legorol | so i go in and fill out a different form, pointing out that i still don't pay tax, but for a different reason this time |
| 04:02.31 | sioraiocht | LOL |
| 04:02.32 | Legorol | i'm from Hungary |
| 04:02.34 | sioraiocht | ah |
| 04:02.40 | Wobwork | "I don't pay taxes on days that end with 'y'" |
| 04:02.52 | Legorol | first excuse was: i'm planning to stay in the UK for short term only |
| 04:02.55 | Wobwork | "Which means I'll pay tax 'Tomorrow'" |
| 04:03.00 | sioraiocht | LOL |
| 04:03.16 | Legorol | when i ended up staying longer, second excuse was: i'm below the minimum income so i'm not taxable |
| 04:03.26 | Legorol | nowadays i think it's because I'm in the EU or something, i lost track of it |
| 04:04.05 | Legorol | In terms of EU membership, the most fun story was my driving licence though |
| 04:04.09 | Wobwork | Legorol. Rorting the system since 2005 |
| 04:04.13 | clad|book | I make £12,000 a year, no idea where that falls on the scale |
| 04:04.33 | Legorol | Without me actually ever doing anything, my driving licence was initially valid, then became invalid, then became valid again (the same piece of document) |
| 04:04.50 | Wobwork | http://www.workgateways.com/working-uk-taxation-how-much.html |
| 04:04.55 | Legorol | clad|book: if it's a scholarship, it doesn't fall anywhere |
| 04:04.57 | Wobwork | 22% |
| 04:04.58 | Tierrie | wobble wobble wobble |
| 04:05.01 | Legorol | scholarships are usually exempt |
| 04:05.07 | clad|book | good, good. |
| 04:05.12 | clad|book | then i'm making nothing |
| 04:05.13 | sioraiocht | Legorol: it's an assistantship, same thing? What's unclear is if he has to report it to the IRS, heh |
| 04:05.37 | Legorol | but note that there is difference between exempt as in "don't even need to report" and exempt as in "you need to report and it counts towards your total earnings, but has 0% tax on it" |
| 04:05.58 | clad|book | i'm hoping towards the latter, wrt to the assistantship |
| 04:06.48 | art3mis | For i am mentok, the mindtaker! |
| 04:07.21 | Arrowmaster | im in the US and have to file taxes every year even though i dont get taxed just because once had to because i did get taxed |
| 04:07.33 | Arrowmaster | its just bank account intrest though |
| 04:08.39 | art3mis | clad |
| 04:08.48 | art3mis | dont forget to pick a palce with good over all medical ;) |
| 04:09.02 | art3mis | cuz yer not allowed to cross counties to get alternative treatment if yer dentist sucks |
| 04:09.11 | clad|book | i can't "pick" a place |
| 04:09.23 | art3mis | yer gonna be on campus? |
| 04:09.35 | sioraiocht | art3mis: I think we'll probably pay for private dental |
| 04:09.46 | art3mis | there isnt a choice ;) |
| 04:09.52 | art3mis | a friend of mine jsut moved there |
| 04:10.08 | art3mis | what you have access too is covered by whre you live |
| 04:10.11 | art3mis | unless on campus |
| 04:10.11 | sioraiocht | then they don't know very much, there's public dental and private dental practices |
| 04:10.12 | Wobwork | hm that reminds me |
| 04:10.19 | Arrowmaster | that or maybe it was the inheritance i got and and opened a bank account for that caused me to have to pay taxes one year, dont really remember why i did |
| 04:10.23 | Wobwork | I need to check if my local dentist gives free cleaning |
| 04:10.28 | sioraiocht | there's quite a bit of controversy over the privatisation of some dental practices |
| 04:10.31 | clad|book | art3mis: my college has a dentist |
| 04:10.35 | Wobwork | (under my health cover) |
| 04:10.38 | art3mis | well she was being a bit more spefici as in a congenital heart condition of her husband |
| 04:10.39 | clad|book | I plan to schedule ahead of time, and use her. |
| 04:10.44 | art3mis | but the theory holds true |
| 04:11.11 | art3mis | she said that because of some "union" they cant take out side of thier "section" |
| 04:11.13 | sioraiocht | art3mis: it's 1) different for other medical coverage and 2) NHS will not cover pre-existing conditions |
| 04:11.50 | art3mis | just for clarity sake are you the wife? |
| 04:12.02 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:12.14 | sioraiocht | No, but I JUST finished filling out NHS forms last week |
| 04:12.20 | art3mis | ahh |
| 04:12.33 | art3mis | okay then ive been misinformed |
| 04:12.50 | sioraiocht | you are right about non dental, though |
| 04:12.57 | art3mis | but that hodls true for the public crap right? like provinces in canada not accepting out of province? |
| 04:12.59 | sioraiocht | there is a restriction on getting referred outside your geographical area |
| 04:13.04 | art3mis | ahh okay |
| 04:13.11 | sioraiocht | unless you can demonstrate certain need |
| 04:13.22 | art3mis | dentist was an example |
| 04:13.35 | art3mis | cuz we know no-one but buckingham palace has a dentist ;P |
| 04:13.39 | art3mis | it IS the UK |
| 04:13.41 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:13.45 | sioraiocht | public dentistry that's true, there's the caveat that they allowed dentists to take private clients recently |
| 04:13.56 | art3mis | and he's only allowed to work ont eh queen |
| 04:14.20 | sioraiocht | it put enormous stress on public dental system, to where people needing emergency dental surgery had months-long wait times |
| 04:14.34 | art3mis | yeah i bet |
| 04:14.45 | art3mis | are you in london proper? |
| 04:14.55 | sioraiocht | No, I'll be in Oxford |
| 04:15.01 | sioraiocht | in..(fuck) 9 days |
| 04:15.09 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:15.14 | art3mis | have fun! |
| 04:15.52 | art3mis | remember yer name is john frum nova scocher ;) |
| 04:15.57 | sioraiocht | hahhahah |
| 04:16.01 | art3mis | rr nover scochar |
| 04:16.28 | art3mis | oh funny thing happened to me today |
| 04:16.45 | art3mis | the store across the street that has NEVER taken canadian change from me |
| 04:16.48 | art3mis | took a looney |
| 04:16.51 | clad|book | 9 days, 18 hours. |
| 04:16.52 | clad|book | bah |
| 04:16.53 | art3mis | cuz its almost par |
| 04:16.55 | sioraiocht | I was talking with my friend recently about the awkwardness of being an American in the UK. If you travel to Continental Europe, you can distinguish yourself as being, at least, a speaker of the local language and thus not a toolish tourist. |
| 04:17.09 | sioraiocht | but in the UK, my accent instantly gives away where I |
| 04:17.15 | art3mis | heh yup |
| 04:17.16 | sioraiocht | 'm from without any hope of fittin gin |
| 04:17.45 | art3mis | just call cairenn and talk to her constantly for the next 9 days |
| 04:17.58 | art3mis | you'll be toastin and boasting with the best of us ;P |
| 04:18.07 | Tierrie | stop speaking english |
| 04:18.08 | Wobwork | I tend to absorb accents |
| 04:18.09 | Tierrie | problem is solved |
| 04:18.20 | art3mis | you mean stop speaking american ;P |
| 04:18.21 | sioraiocht | Wobwork: When I get drunk, I'm like a sponge |
| 04:18.27 | sioraiocht | for accents |
| 04:18.29 | Wobwork | if I talk to anyone with any sort of accent, I'm speaking in the same accent in a few minute |
| 04:18.30 | Wobwork | s |
| 04:18.39 | Wobwork | sioraiocht: There you go then! |
| 04:18.41 | art3mis | oot and aboot ;P |
| 04:18.42 | Wobwork | never go sober! |
| 04:19.07 | art3mis | oh and dont forget its Herb |
| 04:19.10 | art3mis | not 'erb |
| 04:19.15 | Wobwork | oh god yes |
| 04:19.16 | art3mis | because it's got a fucking H in it |
| 04:19.27 | Wobwork | herb HAS 'H' IN IT |
| 04:19.34 | clad|book | centre.. is pronounced "centray" |
| 04:19.39 | sioraiocht | ROFL |
| 04:19.41 | art3mis | izzard is great |
| 04:19.44 | clad|book | programme, is "programmy" |
| 04:19.54 | art3mis | aluminium |
| 04:20.02 | Wobwork | not aluminum |
| 04:20.10 | Wobwork | oh and nuclear =) |
| 04:20.24 | Wobwork | just in case you were learning from dubya |
| 04:20.25 | clad|book | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.28 | clad|book | is named, rather |
| 04:20.39 | clad|book | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.41 | clad|book | which we know is wrong |
| 04:20.47 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:20.51 | art3mis | he's a moor though |
| 04:20.54 | art3mis | i'd be careful |
| 04:20.55 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:21.04 | Wobwork | how do you pronounce his name? |
| 04:21.07 | sioraiocht | LOL I think he's Dutch, actually |
| 04:21.10 | sioraiocht | WE DON"T KNOW |
| 04:21.12 | art3mis | "swamp" is NOT your colour clad |
| 04:21.19 | Rallion | maybe like "Weej" |
| 04:21.21 | Wobwork | (well, properly anyway =P we know how -you- pronounce his name =P) |
| 04:21.33 | sioraiocht | industrial could tell us |
| 04:21.38 | art3mis | and dont forget you're not fags ;P |
| 04:21.47 | clad|book | we're poofs |
| 04:21.47 | Wobwork | or ammo |
| 04:21.50 | clad|book | among other things |
| 04:21.54 | Wobwork | shirt lifters |
| 04:22.02 | art3mis | hehe although pushing him towards whoever asks for the first little bit would be funny |
| 04:22.07 | sioraiocht | wtf kind of name is that? shirt lifter?! |
| 04:22.13 | Wobwork | it's... very british =P |
| 04:22.17 | art3mis | "got a fag?" *pushes clad* "sure take this one" |
| 04:22.21 | sioraiocht | ROFL |
| 04:22.39 | sioraiocht | i mean, doesn't EVERYONE lift shirts? |
| 04:22.50 | sioraiocht | oh, and it's "trousers", not "pants" |
| 04:22.52 | Wobwork | well this was probably from the days where only men had shirts |
| 04:22.57 | Wobwork | yeah, pants are underwear |
| 04:23.01 | art3mis | who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, you fat bastard you fat bastard, you ate all the pies! |
| 04:23.09 | sioraiocht | and "Maths", not "math" |
| 04:23.19 | Wobwork | oh god yes =\ |
| 04:23.26 | art3mis | or arithmetic if yer proper ;P |
| 04:23.27 | sioraiocht | and "sport", not "athletics" |
| 04:23.36 | sioraiocht | cuz athletics means track and field |
| 04:23.38 | Wobwork | I work for a company that does online math tutoring |
| 04:23.44 | Wobwork | (or at least in america) |
| 04:23.49 | Wobwork | it's online maths tutoring everywhere else |
| 04:23.52 | sioraiocht | hahaha |
| 04:24.32 | Wobwork | And if you're naming large numbers, separate the sections with 'and' |
| 04:24.40 | sioraiocht | WHAT?! |
| 04:24.47 | sioraiocht | one thousand AND 24? |
| 04:24.51 | Wobwork | so you say "Five hundred and three thousand, four hundred and fifty-five |
| 04:25.03 | sioraiocht | EW |
| 04:25.04 | Wobwork | rather than Five thousand three four hundred five |
| 04:25.11 | Wobwork | er fifty-five |
| 04:25.12 | sioraiocht | we were told specifically that that is BAD in math |
| 04:25.20 | art3mis | ya know ive never noticed that i do that until you mentioned it |
| 04:25.20 | Iriel | Did we cover petrol/gas, bonnet/hood, boot/trunk yet? |
| 04:25.21 | Wobwork | it makes so much more sense =P |
| 04:25.39 | Wobwork | and if you damn americans weren't so different, my job would have been so much easier =P |
| 04:25.39 | sioraiocht | no, but I'm good with boot/trunk, though that one took me a while |
| 04:25.48 | Wobwork | elevator/lift |
| 04:25.51 | art3mis | bullocks |
| 04:25.54 | art3mis | tosser |
| 04:25.56 | art3mis | prat |
| 04:25.57 | art3mis | git |
| 04:25.58 | Wobwork | bollocks |
| 04:26.02 | sioraiocht | but "dog's bollocks" |
| 04:26.02 | Wobwork | not bullocks |
| 04:26.03 | art3mis | err yeah |
| 04:26.04 | Wobwork | they're bulls |
| 04:26.22 | art3mis | wanker |
| 04:26.25 | Rallion | The dog's bollocks! You could say it to the queen. |
| 04:26.25 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:26.37 | Wobwork | bugger |
| 04:26.43 | sioraiocht | I'll bring the terms "douchebag", "fuckerhead", and "fuckerface" to the UK, though |
| 04:26.52 | sioraiocht | it'll be so fetch |
| 04:26.52 | art3mis | dont listen to wob though |
| 04:26.55 | art3mis | he's a criminal |
| 04:26.57 | Wobwork | oh they already have interesting ones |
| 04:26.58 | Wobwork | fuckmop |
| 04:26.59 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:27.22 | Wobwork | s'true |
| 04:27.35 | Wobwork | nah, kiwis are living proof that tasmanians can swim |
| 04:27.39 | art3mis | haha |
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| 04:28.55 | Wobwork | I can't believe the americans made me take out all reference to gambling in the section where we taught probability |
| 04:29.17 | Iriel | Hypocrisy, wonderful thing |
| 04:29.18 | Wobwork | How can you teach probability properly without reference to gambling? |
| 04:29.36 | sioraiocht | hahaha |
| 04:29.43 | clad|book | how can you be american without having some sad story about gambling :P |
| 04:29.45 | Wobwork | Oh it's even worse, Iriel, I had to change it all to "Cubes with numbers on them" and "Numbered cards" |
| 04:29.53 | clad|book | oh lord |
| 04:30.01 | sioraiocht | that pains me |
| 04:30.03 | Wobwork | who are you trying to fool? =P |
| 04:30.07 | Iriel | Exactly where were these americans? |
| 04:30.12 | sioraiocht | I'm so embarassed by the mass-market culture of my country |
| 04:30.14 | Rallion | who the hell made you do this? |
| 04:30.22 | sioraiocht | it's a good thing i'm "high-brow" as clad calls me |
| 04:30.26 | Wobwork | A company called Voyager Education =) |
| 04:30.35 | Rallion | I sure as hell learned through gambling examples in my public school. |
| 04:30.40 | clad|book | I'm a blue collar d-bag :P |
| 04:30.54 | Wobwork | Rallion: and you learned -good- didn't you? |
| 04:31.10 | Rallion | Pfft, what else am I gonna do, lose my money? |
| 04:31.10 | sioraiocht | I didn't say that, just like I didn't call myself "high-brow" |
| 04:32.16 | Corrodias | okay, using aspectshiftingbar with certain modifications... bartender shows the shapeshift buttons which have the icons of the aspects, but clicking them doesn't do anything, because they're A) the shapeshift buttons and not the custom buttons made by the addon and B) not inheriting the template that lets you set "type", "spell" and such, as far as i can tell |
| 04:32.32 | sioraiocht | oh that's right, this is an addon channel.. |
| 04:32.35 | sioraiocht | hi Cairenn |
| 04:32.35 | Arrowmaster | wait americans made you take the gambling references out???? |
| 04:32.43 | Cairenn | hi sioraiocht |
| 04:32.49 | sioraiocht | hi Arrowmaster, welcome to 5 minutes ago =p |
| 04:33.02 | Corrodias | if i do the whole set ShapeshiftButton..n etc = AspectshiftingButton..n in the addon, it works great except that bartender isn't skinning the buttons as it should be |
| 04:33.18 | Arrowmaster | when i took math classes in highschool had plenty of gambling references |
| 04:33.34 | Corrodias | i checked and ShapeshiftButton1Icon is not equal to AspectshiftButton1Icon and when i change it, it changes back the next time it's updated |
| 04:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | got two darkmoon aces |
| 04:34.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | /flex |
| 04:34.48 | Wobwork | Arrowmaster: This was for a remedial course |
| 04:34.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | lunacy and.... |
| 04:34.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | forgot the other |
| 04:34.58 | Corrodias | very irritating |
| 04:34.59 | Wobwork | So they may have felt it required more... tact |
| 04:35.00 | Arrowmaster | oh maybe thats why |
| 04:35.30 | sioraiocht | all we talked about in stats was gd dice and coins |
| 04:35.33 | sioraiocht | or decks of cards |
| 04:35.51 | Arrowmaster | i graduated from us highschool in 2004 and never once did i ever hear of dice refered to as 'cubes with numbers on them' or anything like that |
| 04:36.37 | Wobwork | We just attributed it to "those wacky americans" =P |
| 04:37.05 | Arrowmaster | it could have been though |
| 04:37.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Wobwork> I can't believe the americans made me take out all reference to gambling in the section where we taught probability |
| 04:37.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 04:37.45 | Arrowmaster | since its harder for the dumbass bitchs that want to regulate everything 'for the children' to effect already printed textbooks |
| 04:38.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i graduated in 05 and dice and coins were the obvious probability things |
| 04:38.05 | Arrowmaster | refering mostly to the religious zealots there |
| 04:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | we used new books too |
| 04:38.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i live in the 'bible belt' |
| 04:38.31 | Rallion | zealots are a problem. |
| 04:38.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell |
| 04:39.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the SAT had dice and coins |
| 04:39.16 | Rallion | those zealots are the ones who make an incredible amount of sex-ed in this country simply consist of "Don't." |
| 04:39.49 | Wobwork | I bet that works =P |
| 04:39.58 | sioraiocht | and no talk of contraception |
| 04:40.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah never had official sex-ed in my school |
| 04:40.21 | sioraiocht | oh we did |
| 04:40.22 | Wobwork | we had the works |
| 04:40.27 | Rallion | It's actually worse than that, in some cases, I know in some places people are told that all forms of protection are completely ineffective and even harmful |
| 04:40.28 | Wobwork | videos/etc |
| 04:40.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | we didn't |
| 04:40.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it didn't matter |
| 04:40.31 | sioraiocht | speakers came in to promote abstinence |
| 04:40.33 | Wobwork | I stil recall SPERMCAM |
| 04:40.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | most them new most of it firsthand before they left middle school :x |
| 04:40.57 | Arrowmaster | we had videos on puberty and such but not sex |
| 04:41.26 | Thunder_Child | my highschool had a daycare center for the students....not much of a need for that class there |
| 04:41.35 | Rallion | The teacher I had in high school was a real asshole most of the time, but when it came to the sex stuff he said he wasn't allowed to teach us anything, but he was going to anyway |
| 04:41.39 | Thunder_Child | high school* |
| 04:41.46 | Arrowmaster | had one weird biology teacher that would sometimes remind us that latex has an expiration date |
| 04:41.54 | Rallion | lol. |
| 04:42.23 | Rallion | "weird biology teacher" = redundant. |
| 04:42.32 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 04:43.47 | Wobwork | he was probably warning you that that condom you kept in your wallet all those years probably wouldn't be quite as effective as you'd hope =) |
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| 04:45.45 | sioraiocht | they weren't even allowed to talk about masturbation in my sex ed classes |
| 04:45.55 | sioraiocht | because it's religiously controversial |
| 04:47.13 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 04:47.17 | Shirik | I got every piece of the prince loot |
| 04:47.21 | Shirik | and no.. I'm not a ninja |
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| 04:47.58 | sioraiocht | SHIRIK HAX! |
| 04:56.14 | Wobwork | sioraiocht: http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 04:57.34 | Guillotine | anybody know if luasocket works with vista? trying to figure out if its a setting that is incorrect or if luasocket just isn't compatible |
| 04:58.10 | Thrae | Guillotine: That's probably better asked in #lua |
| 04:58.24 | Guillotine | I know. but I ask here first since I like you guys better |
| 05:00.06 | Guillotine | also, from my experience, people in #lua don't seem to know much more than people in here about luasocket :/ |
| 05:10.34 | clad|book | Guillotine: i've heard of nothing on the listserv or otherwise to indicate there would be an issue |
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| 05:24.06 | cogwheel | haha... someone saw me join AB and is asking me macro questions >< |
| 05:24.18 | |Jelly|shower | rofl |
| 05:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd pester you |
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| 05:28.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | "dammit, why are you playing wow instead of updating addons for it >:[" |
| 05:28.47 | clad|book | no one knows my priest |
| 05:28.50 | clad|book | ]except yall :P |
| 05:28.55 | clad|book | and my cladhaire is 60 :P |
| 05:29.17 | cogwheel | my addons probably won't get any real love for at least a couple more months |
| 05:29.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i once kicked leeroy's ass and then said "Pals4Life ftw" in /y in arenas :o |
| 05:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | a rogue and i slaughtered his pet warrior and he just stood there like "well, crap." |
| 05:30.19 | Shirik | !c us drenden Kimina |
| 05:30.21 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6111 HP; 8805 Mana; 398 mana regen; 124 mp5; 93 +spell dmg; 1082 +heal; 5.66% dodge;[[ TBR: 907 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xtxsj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2plxge ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 01:43:00 2007 ]] |
| 05:30.24 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:30.28 | Shirik | ~lart the Armory |
| 05:30.28 | purl | --purges the Armory |
| 05:30.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i ran into alamo |
| 05:30.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think i could kill him |
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| 05:30.53 | cogwheel | that was an appropriate ~lart |
| 05:30.54 | Shirik | also, thrae, I don't know what timezone you live in |
| 05:30.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldn't bring myself to do it |
| 05:31.00 | Shirik | but it's very off, whatever it is |
| 05:31.09 | Shirik | s/it's/your clock is/ |
| 05:31.12 | cogwheel | !c us garona cogwheel |
| 05:31.14 | ThraeBot | cogwheel: Cogwheel, Level 70 Gnome Warrior (33/28/0). 9044 HP; 7116 Armour; 1188 AP; 175.300 Melee DPS; 23.58% melee crit; 92 melee hit; 8.48% dodge; 5.20% block; 77 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2019 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoxom7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jaer6 ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 01:43:53 2007 ]] |
| 05:31.35 | Elessdy | i am too timid |
| 05:31.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 14,1Time: (41:31:08 AM EST on Thursday, September 13, 200714) |
| 05:31.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 05:31.41 | Shirik | ow |
| 05:31.43 | Shirik | red on black |
| 05:31.43 | Shirik | pain |
| 05:31.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | he lives 15 minutes into the future |
| 05:32.54 | Shirik | or 45 in the past |
| 05:32.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | my background is black |
| 05:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | my text is red (to me) |
| 05:35.24 | Corrodias | i know i have a good job, but i think it's not a great fit for me. but will i take steps to change it? i don't know where to begin. |
| 05:35.52 | Corrodias | i've mentioned it before, i know. it gnaws at me. |
| 05:40.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | where do you work again? |
| 05:41.46 | Corrodias | i work at a company that produces veterinary lab testing equipment and practice management software |
| 05:42.09 | Corrodias | and i work on converting databases from other products to ours, for the most part |
| 05:42.25 | Thrae | Shirik: Erk? |
| 05:43.07 | MentalPower | !c us alleria mentak |
| 05:43.10 | ThraeBot | MentalPower: Mentak, Level 60 Human Priest (10/0/41). 3387 HP; 6171 Mana; 238 mana regen; 23 mp5; 39 spell crit; 63 +spell dmg; 296 +heal; 5.00% dodge; 14 shadow resist; 34 fire resist;[[ TBR: 513 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvjltp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qtcyo ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 01:55:49 2007 ]] |
| 05:43.53 | Thrae | Oh, blah blah |
| 05:44.59 | Corrodias | what's nice about it? sometimes there are periods where i can just browse the web, doing nothing. it's a pretty relaxed environment. what's bad? so far, i haven't had anything too stressful, but i've seen what some of the others have worked on and i don't want to go through that. |
| 05:45.17 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 05:45.17 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 05:45.34 | Thrae | !c us alleria mentak |
| 05:45.36 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Mentak, Level 60 Human Priest (10/0/41). 3387 HP; 6171 Mana; 238 mana regen; 23 mp5; 39 spell crit; 63 +spell dmg; 296 +heal; 5.00% dodge; 14 shadow resist; 34 fire resist;[[ TBR: 513 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvjltp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qtcyo ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 01:58:15 2007 EST ]] |
| 05:46.07 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: what sort of thing is it you want to avoid? |
| 05:47.58 | Corrodias | fixing problems by working with databases after i send them out, dealing with customers when they want something, big projects for which i have to come up with a significant portion of how to do them (like converting from software we haven't done before) |
| 05:49.12 | Corrodias | i'm not sure just what part(s) i don't like, but thinking about trying to figure out how to squeeze data from one DB into another just makes me want to run away to another state |
| 05:50.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the problem is that work is incredibly draining and it sucks we have to do it |
| 05:50.46 | Thrae | "ChannelJoin" and "ChannelLeave" or "JoinChannel" and "LeaveChannel" for method names? |
| 05:51.13 | Corrodias | i used to bus tables in a restaurant on fridays. it was pretty much my Perfect Job, except that it was only one day a week and paid little |
| 05:51.55 | Corrodias | i didn't have to try to figure things out; i just set things how they're supposed to be and otherwise follow instructions |
| 05:52.10 | Corrodias | no responsibility except not dropping the glasses and making sure the forks were straight |
| 05:54.38 | zenzelezz | Thrae: in my personal opinion JoinChannel looks cleaner unless you have some sort of separator between the category and the function's purpose (Channel_Join, Channel::Join) |
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| 05:55.20 | Iriel | I agree with zens, mostly, though I hate _'s in method names these days (too much java).. In lua i'd do Channel.Join and Channel.Leave 8-) |
| 05:55.30 | Iriel | or Channel:Join and Channel:Leave, if OO |
| 05:55.45 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Yeah, if I wanted to get really fancy, I could make Channel its own object |
| 05:56.01 | Thrae | _ in most anything is the devil |
| 05:56.08 | Iriel | ITS_OK_FOR_GLOBALS |
| 05:56.11 | Shirik | You guys suck :( |
| 05:56.16 | Shirik | I use _ to indicate stuff you shouldn't touch |
| 05:56.19 | Iriel | butOtherwiseTheyAreEvil |
| 05:56.22 | Iriel | _ as a prefix is acceptable |
| 05:56.25 | Iriel | for that purpose |
| 05:56.30 | Shirik | oh ok :) |
| 05:56.32 | Iriel | _leaveThisTheHellAloneOK |
| 05:56.40 | Thrae | heh |
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| 05:57.24 | Wobwork | _YouNoTakeCandle |
| 05:57.25 | Iriel | I really only resort to _'s in languages that dont support mixed case |
| 05:57.44 | Wobwork | There are those? |
| 05:57.44 | Iriel | e.g. SESSION_KEY VARCHAR(2) NOT NULL, |
| 05:57.51 | Wobwork | oh |
| 05:57.53 | Wobwork | yeah SQL |
| 05:58.04 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 05:58.08 | Shirik | er, wait |
| 05:58.14 | Thrae | CamelizationForTheWin |
| 05:58.15 | Iriel | Some SQL's |
| 05:58.17 | Iriel | Not all |
| 05:58.19 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:58.26 | Shirik | about to say, mine likes lowercase. Though I think it's not case sensitiev |
| 05:58.34 | Iriel | Our oracle installs dont support mixed case well |
| 05:58.37 | Iriel | so we use _'s |
| 05:58.46 | Shirik | out of habit, I use lowercase for fields and capitals for anything else |
| 05:58.52 | Iriel | I believe it's an install-time option on oracle these days, I think our DBA's hate lower case letters |
| 05:59.00 | Shirik | SELECT name FROM users WHERE id = 4; |
| 05:59.50 | Shirik | anyway, night all |
| 06:00.16 | Iriel | Shirik|zZz: I like that too for writing queries |
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| 06:29.35 | bleeter | cogwheel: hmm, interesting.. of course, that just means there's possibly a PTR push on Friday, then decision Monday on whether it's plausible to go live or not, etc. (I can't imagine they'd push on a Monday then go live on a Tuesday) |
| 06:30.07 | cogwheel | i'm sure they wouldn't |
| 06:30.23 | cogwheel | i'm also pretty sure they wouldn't push on a friday and go on the following tues :P |
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| 06:37.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have before |
| 06:37.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they pushed monday and went tues once before too |
| 06:40.44 | art3mis | which of you is an exchange/outlook admin? |
| 06:40.54 | art3mis | ive got a question thats confusing me |
| 06:41.11 | Thunder_Child | i have done some...anything in particular? |
| 06:42.20 | art3mis | yeah ya know how you can share contact lists right |
| 06:42.39 | art3mis | how do you get said shared to show up when you click the "To:" ? |
| 06:43.25 | Thunder_Child | your talking about networked to lists? |
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| 06:45.32 | art3mis | yeah shared contact to when you click to: a box pops up and i can see the local contacts but not the shared ones |
| 06:45.41 | Thunder_Child | iirc, you had to be part of the OU/group/etc. |
| 06:46.13 | Thunder_Child | and it might also have to be in the shared folder on the exchange server |
| 06:46.21 | Thunder_Child | it's been a while |
| 06:46.37 | art3mis | yeah shared folder is the option ive found, wierdly i dont seem to have one.. |
| 06:46.45 | Thunder_Child | create it |
| 06:47.25 | art3mis | aha there it is |
| 06:47.40 | art3mis | its a hosted server btw |
| 06:48.04 | Thunder_Child | oh...i only eve played with ones on a server i was physical with |
| 06:48.07 | Thunder_Child | ever* |
| 06:50.56 | art3mis | nah the shared was the right idea... now i just need to figure out how to move it there ;) |
| 06:54.36 | Thunder_Child | ftp? |
| 06:54.45 | Thunder_Child | or rather tftp |
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| 06:59.48 | art3mis | need to reimport to the public folder |
| 07:00.13 | art3mis | thats the relly ugly way though |
| 07:00.29 | art3mis | wonder why itdoesnt add shared fodlers default to "locations" in the popup |
| 07:01.01 | Thunder_Child | keeps the noobs away |
| 07:04.53 | Thunder_Child | i am so lazy about outllok, i have 9298 unread emails in my in box |
| 07:04.57 | Thunder_Child | outlook* |
| 07:07.54 | Guillotine | outlook < all |
| 07:08.34 | art3mis | unless you need shared contacts and imap is too confusing ;P |
| 07:10.32 | Thunder_Child | i like it the best...i am simply lazy |
| 07:10.48 | Thunder_Child | i like the ability to look at my mail offline |
| 07:10.57 | art3mis | hah got it |
| 07:17.54 | |Jelly| | Anyone use Baggins? |
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| 07:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | bilbo baggins |
| 07:34.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | bravest little hobbit of them all |
| 07:35.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do, jelly |
| 07:36.18 | |Jelly| | Eh. I figured it out. |
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| 07:48.47 | lolinternet | heya |
| 07:48.54 | sag_ich_nicht | 7ns IDENTIFY stolen |
| 07:48.55 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter |
| 07:48.58 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 07:48.58 | sag_ich_nicht | fuck |
| 07:49.00 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 07:49.12 | sag_ich_nicht | good thing i typed my old password |
| 07:49.17 | sag_ich_nicht | which always do. |
| 07:49.18 | bleeter | wot? |
| 07:49.21 | sag_ich_nicht | since i'm stupid |
| 07:49.30 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 07:49.34 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 07:49.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobwork that is my old password anyway |
| 07:49.53 | art3mis | you too? |
| 07:50.00 | sag_ich_nicht | i forget that i changed it like months ago |
| 07:50.04 | sag_ich_nicht | all the time. |
| 07:50.13 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 07:50.14 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter |
| 07:50.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/09/12/1747202.shtml |
| 07:50.26 | sag_ich_nicht | is this awesome Y/Y |
| 07:50.38 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: old news :P |
| 07:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | you didn't answer the question. |
| 07:51.09 | bleeter | you didn't ask a question |
| 07:51.22 | sag_ich_nicht | [09:50] <sag_ich_nicht> is this awesome Y/Y |
| 07:51.28 | bleeter | that's a statement |
| 07:51.57 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 07:51.58 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 07:52.03 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: is this awesome? Y/Y |
| 07:52.29 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: aye, it's pretty good to see Mat Tippet's master plan finally come to fruition ;) |
| 07:52.36 | bleeter | aussie aussie aussie! |
| 07:53.11 | Wobwork | oi oi oi |
| 07:53.19 | bleeter | :D |
| 07:53.23 | Wobwork | \o/ |
| 07:53.58 | bleeter | used to hate that.. then at a WW1 memorial service in France, I heard it drift across the hills after the service, and the reply from a bunch of schoolkids... I cried |
| 07:54.12 | art3mis | i love amd |
| 07:54.25 | Wobwork | bleeter: *sniff* |
| 07:54.46 | Wobwork | One thing I like about the aussie accent |
| 07:54.56 | art3mis | it makes even ugly girls hot? |
| 07:54.57 | Wobwork | Overseas? It's identifiable from a kilometer off =P |
| 07:54.58 | bleeter | Wobwork: even the 2ic from the Embassy did the reply.. very moving. |
| 07:55.11 | art3mis | Wobwork: not so |
| 07:55.31 | Wobwork | I could be in a room full of chattering chinese, and if one person said something in english in an aussie accent across the room, *pow* you could hear it |
| 07:55.32 | art3mis | aussie accent is..english, zealand, aussie |
| 07:55.52 | art3mis | oh i thought you meant spcificly targetable |
| 07:55.52 | sag_ich_nicht | those are only the 2D and base specs. 3D comes next week. |
| 07:55.56 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 07:56.11 | Wobwork | but then again, I can discern between the three |
| 07:56.14 | Wobwork | unless their north islanders |
| 07:56.18 | bleeter | it's all in the flat vowel sounds... keeps the flies out |
| 07:56.19 | Wobwork | cause then they just sound like aussies |
| 07:56.23 | art3mis | proper british/south african still makes me weak in the knees though |
| 07:56.35 | art3mis | oh man |
| 07:56.41 | art3mis | my wifes boss is this indian lady |
| 07:56.46 | Wobwork | feetch me sem coughfee boi! |
| 07:56.58 | Wobwork | Seth Efrican |
| 07:57.09 | art3mis | i got forced to this thing at her work and i was talking to her and asked "are you british or indian?" |
| 07:57.21 | art3mis | which stopped her in her tracks |
| 07:57.25 | Wobwork | Oxford english? |
| 07:57.25 | art3mis | it was sooooooooo funny |
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| 07:57.39 | art3mis | yeah the very defined way of talking that only indians can do |
| 07:57.54 | bleeter | Wobwork: noomba sexty sexy fur fush n chups |
| 07:57.57 | art3mis | the precise wording etc |
| 07:58.02 | bleeter | s/sexy/sex/ |
| 07:58.14 | Wobwork | sex pucks ov fush n chups |
| 07:58.43 | art3mis | she looks at me and says "im indian" to which i reply "i know your race but is it a british indian or an actual indian?" |
| 07:58.43 | bleeter | n sex frush shup |
| 07:58.48 | Wobwork | I love when the Chaser did the Trivial Pursuit on the NZ prime minister =) |
| 07:59.01 | art3mis | oh wob |
| 07:59.08 | art3mis | go check out dailyshow from tonight |
| 07:59.17 | art3mis | john oliver interviews the saudi ambassador |
| 07:59.21 | art3mis | oh man it was funny |
| 07:59.40 | bleeter | Wobwork: see where chaser last night may have been highest rating ABC show of all time? rofl |
| 07:59.54 | Wobwork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB2nM8UlyVk |
| 08:00.01 | bleeter | Wobwork: all the d/l of the show couldn't wait for the release, had to watch it live |
| 08:00.07 | Wobwork | heheh |
| 08:00.30 | art3mis | shit i have to be awake and functional in 5 hours, nigh kids |
| 08:00.37 | bleeter | night art3mis |
| 08:01.06 | Wobwork | off home |
| 08:03.18 | bleeter | lol? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602351578&sid=1 |
| 08:04.38 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 08:04.48 | Guillotine | wow. I am so going to exploit the hell out of that |
| 08:04.52 | Guillotine | probably works with food too |
| 08:04.56 | Guillotine | massive health regen XD |
| 08:04.59 | Guillotine | make them waste mana |
| 08:06.30 | Kalroth | only that all attacks will be crits when you sit down ;) |
| 08:07.18 | Guillotine | hmm. good point |
| 08:07.21 | Guillotine | well, not spells |
| 08:07.26 | Guillotine | so its worth it against mana users |
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| 08:10.15 | Guillotine | ROFL http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531246833&sid=1 |
| 08:10.23 | Guillotine | someone probably already saw that, but... |
| 08:10.49 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 08:10.53 | bleeter | yar |
| 08:10.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine cross realm whispers. |
| 08:11.04 | Guillotine | shhh |
| 08:11.09 | Guillotine | if I ignore the problem it'll go away |
| 08:11.12 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 08:11.23 | sag_ich_nicht | because i am the pest of addon testers |
| 08:11.40 | sag_ich_nicht | if i find a bug i will not leave you alone until you fix it, no matter how obscure and rare the bug is |
| 08:11.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ISN'T THAT RIGHT ANTIARC? |
| 08:12.06 | Guillotine | i already know that. my goal is to wait until my computer develops intelligence and fixes the bug itself though |
| 08:12.14 | sag_ich_nicht | noes |
| 08:13.12 | Guillotine | I'm actually really busy recently :P just moved on sunday and still getting everything together |
| 08:13.50 | bleeter | oO what's the problem? |
| 08:14.08 | Guillotine | TellTrack isn't correctly catching cross-server whispers |
| 08:14.21 | bleeter | ah, oops lol |
| 08:18.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine you know i'm not all too serious about this :P |
| 08:18.38 | bleeter | Guillotine: you know sag_ich_nicht lies |
| 08:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it's something different with that OMEN THING tho |
| 08:18.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Antiarc |
| 08:18.52 | purl | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Antiarc |
| 08:19.04 | Guillotine | sag: I know :P but I will fix it when I have time |
| 08:19.09 | Guillotine | bleeter: only usually |
| 08:19.40 | bleeter | I should write a script that /whois' everyone here, and ~lart those with the ircname of 'purple' |
| 08:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | why |
| 08:19.52 | bleeter | 'cept I'd skip Cairenn, she's got permission |
| 08:20.31 | bleeter | as a permanent IRC client, it's pretty crapp ;) |
| 08:21.26 | bleeter | though truth be told, if it's a result of using finch it's more excusable |
| 08:26.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine you know, sometimes i think i'm the only telltrack user left D: |
| 08:26.41 | Guillotine | nah, theres others. most just don't bug me as much though |
| 08:28.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i know there are others |
| 08:28.21 | Guillotine | wikiscanner is awesome |
| 08:29.01 | sag_ich_nicht | link |
| 08:32.00 | Guillotine | http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr |
| 08:44.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see why people get all paranoid |
| 08:44.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just some doof bored in his office putzing around in wikipedia |
| 08:45.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=115836000 |
| 08:45.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | was supposedly the republican party |
| 08:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever that means |
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| 08:47.02 | Kalroth | lol |
| 08:49.03 | Kalroth | 204.73.177.2 = rigel.mngop.com - www.mngop.com = Republican Party of Minnesota :) |
| 08:49.24 | Kalroth | So yes, it's just some random clerk having fun |
| 08:50.21 | Guillotine | I'm sure it is just a random person there having fun |
| 08:50.25 | Guillotine | but still pretty funny |
| 08:55.57 | Guillotine | oo, heres one |
| 08:56.03 | Guillotine | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=29546916 made by an IGN employee |
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| 08:58.09 | Guillotine | huge chunk of criticisms taken out here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=15268563 |
| 09:01.40 | cryogen | is there a decent guide somewhere for using secure frames? |
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| 09:06.38 | Wobin_ | cryogen: nope =P |
| 09:06.59 | Guillotine | not really. its more just learn as you go :P |
| 09:07.12 | Guillotine | check out MacroWhisper. its a pretty simple example of secure frames |
| 09:07.25 | Guillotine | I think I used some ace, but not at the secure frames part |
| 09:07.38 | Tierrie | insomnia sucks ass |
| 09:07.51 | cryogen | i found a nice forum thread on google, but whenever i try to click it i just get the "welcome" page from blizzard |
| 09:08.00 | cryogen | however, the google cache does work, so im reading it now :) |
| 09:08.40 | Guillotine | lol |
| 09:08.42 | Guillotine | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=128010982 |
| 09:08.47 | Guillotine | a change made by someone at the CIA |
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| 09:17.07 | Wobin_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=g0G9vDKcdLg |
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| 09:35.55 | cryogen | hmm this code confuses me |
| 09:36.27 | cryogen | it looks up the frame name in _G, returns a reference to it and uses it, fine. but then a couple of lines down it does FrameName:somestuff() directly, huh? |
| 09:46.52 | bleeter | ouch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/13/ebay_promises_fix_for_paypal_bug/ |
| 09:59.18 | Nargiddley | cryogen, what code ? |
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| 10:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | cryogen: add &sid=1 |
| 10:05.15 | sag_ich_nicht | to the end of the link to the forum post |
| 10:05.19 | sag_ich_nicht | also, link me the forum post :P |
| 10:17.08 | [Liquidor] | Wobin_ |
| 10:17.12 | [Liquidor] | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T2SnDB_orzQ |
| 10:17.14 | [Liquidor] | beats yours |
| 10:18.15 | Wobin_ | bah |
| 10:18.18 | Wobin_ | I like the original ending |
| 10:18.25 | Wobin_ | Much more mysterious |
| 10:18.50 | [Liquidor] | ofc, I found this one redicilous too as well tho :P |
| 10:18.51 | Wobin_ | and even though I like the original music, Mad World kinda fits well with it |
| 10:19.32 | [Liquidor] | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=78X7KImDtn4 |
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| 10:20.58 | Nargiddley | bah, new endings for that is people missing the point |
| 10:21.01 | Wobin_ | oh god |
| 10:21.04 | Wobin_ | Evanescence |
| 10:21.07 | Wobin_ | EMOKIWI |
| 10:21.22 | Nargiddley | oh god i had sound off for that, its worse than it seems |
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| 10:48.41 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak maat |
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| 11:12.59 | mikma | know any simple actionbar-addons that use securetemplate? meaning i need to find an example of how to get class-swapping working |
| 11:14.40 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 11:14.42 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 11:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but maybe you should still take a look at bongos or bartender3 :P |
| 11:15.34 | mikma | i'm afraid that they are not simple |
| 11:17.50 | mikma | all i'm looking for is the basic features of actionbutton1-12 |
| 11:38.31 | cryogen | sag_ich_nicht: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831 |
| 11:39.05 | cryogen | there's also some vaguely useful information on wowwiki |
| 11:39.18 | cryogen | http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_Frames_Overview |
| 11:41.50 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga aridela |
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| 11:42.29 | cryogen | depending on how savvy you are with stuff you can also read the blizzard lua files as well, since they are quite documented, albeit technically |
| 11:42.48 | cryogen | that's as far as I've got at least :) |
| 11:42.56 | cryogen | im just a little confused by an example usage ive seen |
| 11:43.52 | mikma | i was kinda surprised that this is the code required for the buttons to apparently be secure http://mikma.pastey.net/73809 |
| 11:45.06 | cryogen | that looks about right |
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| 11:48.18 | cryogen | my confusion stems from something generic to frames i guess.. they've used local p = _G["SomeFrame"] then done lots of p.SomeStuff() but then a bit later done SomeFrame.SomeStuff() |
| 11:48.38 | cryogen | i didnt get get what the difference was or why you could do the latter |
| 11:49.40 | JoshBorke | because they are inconsistent |
| 11:49.53 | cryogen | so it's essentially the same thing? |
| 11:49.58 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 11:50.34 | cryogen | so if you create SomeFrame from XML you can reference it as SomeFrame: in lua? |
| 11:51.26 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 11:51.34 | cryogen | great, thanks |
| 11:51.39 | cryogen | is one more efficient than the other? |
| 11:51.57 | JoshBorke | local p = _G["SomeFrame"] is faster because a local reference is faster than a global one |
| 11:52.11 | cryogen | thought so, super! |
| 11:52.19 | cryogen | that's one hurdle cleared anyway :) |
| 11:55.00 | krka_ | local p = SomeFrame is just as fast |
| 11:57.51 | nevcairiel | that was more about the local or directly SomeFrame :) |
| 11:58.06 | JoshBorke | krka_: yea, JERK! |
| 11:58.45 | krka_ | i've just seen _G["name"] around a bit, and it annoys me |
| 11:59.16 | JoshBorke | i was just being consistent with what he asked |
| 11:59.21 | JoshBorke | i hate the _G syntax |
| 12:03.21 | krka_ | you mean the _G[string] syntax :p |
| 12:10.03 | mikma | *rawr* now i need to figure out how to make stances work |
| 12:22.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowwiki.com/Orc_Shoulders |
| 12:22.35 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
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| 13:17.33 | Shirik|AFK | 14(0711:5311:4414) 14(1115krka_14) local p = SomeFrame is just as fast |
| 13:17.36 | Shirik|AFK | shouldn't it be faster? |
| 13:18.08 | Shirik|AFK | since _G you have to look up _G first then index SomeFrame |
| 13:19.04 | Shirik|AFK | oh you're talking about the local being fast... nm |
| 13:19.35 | krka_ | Shirik|AFK: unless _G is already local |
| 13:19.44 | Shirik|AFK | fair enough |
| 13:20.05 | krka_ | my tests show that local p = SomeFrame is actually faster in that case, but it could vary |
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| 13:24.01 | Industrial | vmware is going open source! |
| 13:24.04 | cladhaire | it shouldn't vary.. GETGLOBAL still incurs the table lookup, whereas the local shouldn't. |
| 13:29.09 | bleeter | Industrial: isn't that just VMWareTools? |
| 13:30.14 | Industrial | yes |
| 13:30.46 | bleeter | VMWare's legal status is under question, too... |
| 13:31.04 | art3mis | ?? |
| 13:31.07 | bleeter | http://www.venturecake.com/the-vmware-house-of-cards/ |
| 13:32.21 | krka_ | nice |
| 13:33.14 | art3mis | oooo |
| 13:33.42 | art3mis | that could be "bad" |
| 13:33.48 | art3mis | it didnt much stop redhat though |
| 13:33.56 | art3mis | i don't see it as that huge of a deal |
| 13:34.42 | art3mis | they move to a model of charging for the media and "support" make portions of it free(that were derived from said infractions) and keep special configurations for themselves |
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| 13:37.12 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid mirc -_- |
| 13:37.21 | Shirik|Ecole | close and open the window five times before joining the channel |
| 13:37.26 | Shirik|Ecole | hai |
| 13:37.33 | zenzelezz | X-Chat |
| 13:38.49 | art3mis | Shirik|Ecole: did you remember to load sk1llz.tcl ? |
| 13:39.00 | Shirik|Ecole | who uses tcl anymore |
| 13:39.02 | Shirik|Ecole | jeesh |
| 13:41.53 | art3mis | who's incapable of using an irc client and not sucking? jeesh ;P |
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| 13:51.13 | ts|skrom | anyone have a good amount of experience with exchange server 2003 and IMF? |
| 13:52.47 | zenzelezz | from a reply in my guild's recruitment forum: "Managed to take 61 points in frost without elemental precision.. impressive" |
| 14:05.40 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 ToC: 20100 | RTFPN please | The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan |
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| 14:13.51 | Kaydeethree | something behind that quote, cairenn? |
| 14:14.07 | Cairenn | nope |
| 14:14.30 | Cairenn | just was time for a change |
| 14:16.01 | clad|book | my old job, we used the same |
| 14:16.08 | clad|book | "We're from corporate and we're here to help" |
| 14:16.41 | clad|book | i say poop on adobe photoshop |
| 14:16.46 | clad|book | until i find out whether paintshoppro is any worse |
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| 14:38.17 | Anvilator | Hi all. Anyone know the function to get a players Intellect? I tried reverse engineering the Blizzard UI, but came up short. Unfortunately it doesnt come under GetCombatRating either. Any pointers would be much appreciated. |
| 14:38.20 | sylvanaar | god. i read that link - seems like the real money in open-source is made by lawyers |
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| 14:39.41 | sylvanaar | wowwiki |
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| 14:40.15 | Anvilator | tried wiki, cant seem to find a related function tho :-( |
| 14:43.05 | sylvanaar | well, i found it in a few seconds. |
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| 14:44.13 | Anvilator | hmm i must be looking in the wrong place. WoW API page yes? |
| 14:44.45 | ts|skrom | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API ctrl+f stat |
| 14:44.52 | ts|skrom | keep searching til you find something relevent |
| 14:46.10 | ts|skrom | here's another hint, things that are about "units" usually have "unit" in the api somewhere |
| 14:46.42 | Anvilator | k thanks, still looking |
| 14:46.57 | ts|skrom | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions |
| 14:46.58 | Industrial | when will blizzard fix the SHIFT-- CTRL-- and ALT-- keybind text? |
| 14:47.06 | Industrial | they only show up as - |
| 14:47.07 | Industrial | :| |
| 14:47.55 | Seerah_ | what shows up as - ? the shift,etc. or the other number/letter? |
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| 14:49.01 | Industrial | the whole binding text is "-" on a button bound to "SHIFT--" |
| 14:49.16 | Industrial | it should be "S--" |
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| 14:49.43 | Seerah_ | BT3 and AutoBar I know show the whole thing |
| 14:49.51 | Seerah_ | or at least truncate it.... |
| 14:50.15 | Seerah_ | don't recall :P |
| 14:50.25 | Industrial | hm maybe I should hook the function that sets the binding and do it myself :P |
| 14:51.01 | Seerah_ | I was wondering if you were thinking of it for your bar mod. you could see if those two do anything different I guess |
| 14:51.21 | Anvilator | Thanks ts|skrom got it. Much appreciated. |
| 14:51.23 | Industrial | yeah |
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| 15:15.50 | clad|book | any paladins around? |
| 15:15.58 | JoshBorke | nope |
| 15:15.58 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 15:16.00 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 15:16.07 | cncfanatics | got a 70 pala at least, my ex-main |
| 15:16.11 | JoshBorke | as long as you don't mean 70 paladins |
| 15:16.18 | clad|book | need a ret build for leveling |
| 15:16.20 | clad|book | or some build for leveling |
| 15:16.23 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 15:16.24 | JoshBorke | i have a 62 paladin who was my paladin for long time |
| 15:16.28 | JoshBorke | clad|book: protection |
| 15:16.37 | cncfanatics | full ret ofc, get SoC as soon as you can with the slowest 2h u can find till lvl 40 imo |
| 15:16.40 | cncfanatics | at 40 go prot |
| 15:16.42 | clad|book | can you show me what spec? |
| 15:16.45 | cncfanatics | sure, sec |
| 15:16.53 | clad|book | i.e. what you'd suggest |
| 15:18.04 | JoshBorke | clad|book: not to do it ;-P |
| 15:18.10 | clad|book | lol |
| 15:18.21 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZZqf0t0cuihot |
| 15:18.40 | cncfanatics | the one point in impr bom is just a filler to get to higher tiers btws |
| 15:18.49 | clad|book | thanks |
| 15:18.51 | nevcairiel | thats lvl 50, how is that good if you spec to prot on 40 ? :P |
| 15:18.52 | clad|book | then prot at 40? |
| 15:19.07 | cncfanatics | I specced prot at 45ish if I remember well |
| 15:19.14 | cncfanatics | oh no wait |
| 15:19.19 | cncfanatics | it was till 40->50 |
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| 15:19.28 | cncfanatics | then specced back retri at 50 with crusader strike |
| 15:19.52 | clad|book | hehe ok |
| 15:20.20 | clad|book | sounds good |
| 15:20.36 | JoshBorke | prot is nice because you can aoe solo |
| 15:20.42 | JoshBorke | "aoe" |
| 15:20.48 | cncfanatics | ehm, RLY aoe |
| 15:20.50 | cncfanatics | at 70 that is |
| 15:20.55 | clad|book | k |
| 15:20.59 | cncfanatics | I can take 30ish 70 mobs at once |
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| 15:21.08 | cncfanatics | while lvl'ing I took 15ishb murlocks at once |
| 15:21.12 | Seerah_ | what??? Pallies aren't supposed to do damage - they're supposed to heal meez ;) |
| 15:21.12 | JoshBorke | Shirik|Ecole: hi |
| 15:21.18 | cncfanatics | Seerah_, die |
| 15:21.20 | cncfanatics | I tank :p |
| 15:21.26 | Shirik|Ecole | ~agree cncfanatics |
| 15:21.28 | Seerah_ | <3 cnc too |
| 15:21.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Priests heal. Paladins need to gtfo of my job |
| 15:21.54 | JoshBorke | Shirik|Ecole: i pew pew |
| 15:21.59 | JoshBorke | druids can heal |
| 15:22.12 | Shirik|Ecole | so I just double-checked my stats |
| 15:22.19 | JoshBorke | can you beat me yet? |
| 15:22.22 | Shirik|Ecole | from yesterday's run, I gained 250 +healing and +70 mp5 |
| 15:22.24 | Seerah_ | I had a good friend who was Ret all the way. He knew he was a nub when he tried to tank, but he liked whacking things with his big hammer :P |
| 15:22.51 | cncfanatics | I eh |
| 15:22.55 | cncfanatics | was called crazy by my guildies |
| 15:23.02 | cncfanatics | lets say I did 35 min SL runs |
| 15:23.03 | Seerah_ | you? crazy? no... |
| 15:23.05 | cncfanatics | and 20 min SH runs |
| 15:23.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I gotta admit |
| 15:23.16 | Shirik|Ecole | paladins are pretty decent tanks when played right |
| 15:23.24 | Shirik|Ecole | 1 paladin and 1 warrior tank is <3 |
| 15:23.25 | cncfanatics | Shirik|Ecole, pally > all in 5mans |
| 15:23.26 | JoshBorke | paladins excel at multi-mob tanking |
| 15:23.28 | Seerah_ | yes. |
| 15:23.36 | cncfanatics | I'm actualy tempted to roll another pally |
| 15:23.41 | cncfanatics | but, cba |
| 15:23.48 | cncfanatics | lvl'ing is too much of a pain |
| 15:24.06 | JoshBorke | it really, really sucks |
| 15:24.13 | cncfanatics | lvl'ing a priesty atm |
| 15:24.20 | cncfanatics | but meh, I miss whacking stuff with meh weapon |
| 15:24.48 | cncfanatics | (aka, can't stand playing casters anymore :p) |
| 15:24.53 | JoshBorke | aye |
| 15:25.11 | JoshBorke | lock is fun because you don't have to stand and cast |
| 15:25.23 | cncfanatics | I just can't stand not whacking anymore :p |
| 15:25.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | ehh guys iv looked at wowwiki.com and cant find it so i gues i ask it here :P how do u UnShapeshift my druid out of lua :P |
| 15:25.28 | cncfanatics | I also can't stand not being the best :p |
| 15:25.41 | cncfanatics | lm2good4u, u can't directly |
| 15:25.56 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.59 | cncfanatics | but there's no lua command to do it |
| 15:26.20 | cncfanatics | s/command/function/ |
| 15:26.36 | Shirik|Ecole | yes there is |
| 15:26.45 | clad|book | why no imp ret aura? |
| 15:27.05 | clad|book | oh |
| 15:27.07 | clad|book | cause sanc aura? |
| 15:27.14 | cncfanatics | sanctity aura a few lvls later |
| 15:27.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Also, is wowwiki running ungodly slow for anyone else? |
| 15:27.19 | cncfanatics | which ur gonna use 24/7 |
| 15:27.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah tobad then i got to scan the buffs for the shapeshift icon and cancel it i gues :P |
| 15:27.30 | cncfanatics | Shirik|Ecole, how would u directly cancel a form out of lua ? |
| 15:27.38 | clad|book | cncfanatics: thanks. |
| 15:27.44 | cncfanatics | np cladhaire |
| 15:28.12 | cncfanatics | ~seen Tekkub |
| 15:28.14 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 8h 55m 26s ago, saying: 'but you're not allowed if the religion doesn't and you do'. |
| 15:28.23 | cncfanatics | where has tekkub been ? I still need to thank him |
| 15:28.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyway, |FF|Im2good4u: Use CancelPlayerBuff |
| 15:28.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I had thought that OMG |
| 15:28.46 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, so it was definitely my connection dying |
| 15:29.00 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway......... I had thought that that function was protected |
| 15:29.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 15:29.04 | Shirik|Ecole | acording to wowwiki it wasn't |
| 15:29.10 | Shirik|Ecole | (Having about 20 lines spam you isn't funny) |
| 15:29.22 | cncfanatics | it ain't protected, but, u can't really cancel the form without scanning buffs first |
| 15:29.29 | Shirik|Ecole | that doesn't mean you can't do it |
| 15:29.40 | cncfanatics | true, but using /cancelform is so much easyer for all purposes :) |
| 15:29.50 | Shirik|Ecole | except when you want to call it from Lua |
| 15:30.13 | cncfanatics | indeed, but, I think wanting to really cancel a form from lua would be quite rare |
| 15:30.48 | zenzelezz | and why would you think that? |
| 15:31.10 | cncfanatics | why would an addon want to unshift you ? I can't think of any reasons, I'm no druid though |
| 15:31.22 | cncfanatics | just doesnt seem to be something an addon should do imo |
| 15:31.44 | zenzelezz | should is one thing, and answering with a question is not a good answer =) |
| 15:32.05 | Shirik|Ecole | well see the thing is cncfanatics |
| 15:32.18 | Shirik|Ecole | when someone asks you for help, you don't answer what they "meant" to ask. You should answer what they asked |
| 15:32.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Let them take what you gave them and form it into something they need, if it needs to be manipulated |
| 15:32.47 | Shirik|Ecole | But if I ask you "How do I create 100MB of garbage" |
| 15:33.00 | Shirik|Ecole | You don't say "You can't" you say "This is how you do it... but that sounds stupid" |
| 15:33.24 | cncfanatics | true enough |
| 15:33.48 | Shirik|Ecole | If I answered that way in the lab I teach, then I'd probably be fired :P |
| 15:33.56 | Shirik|Ecole | Instead I say things like "I would probably do it this way instead..." |
| 15:34.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | well the reason to canvel is quite simpel |
| 15:35.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | i used ot have an addon called AutoFlightPathUnmounth :P it would unmount me whne taking a flight |
| 15:35.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | now its implented in default ui |
| 15:36.02 | ts|skrom | Taken out of context: 10[10:23] cncfanatics: (aka, can't stand playing casters anymore :p)01 is kinda funny |
| 15:36.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | but now i got a low lvl druid so i use travel or cat form to walk to flight master thne whne i wana fly i get a error cant take taxi while shapeshited |
| 15:36.10 | ts|skrom | oops wrong cut and paste |
| 15:36.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | so im trying to work my addon around to help my lowbie druid :P |
| 15:36.29 | ts|skrom | 10[10:23] cncfanatics: I just can't stand not whacking anymore :p01 |
| 15:36.34 | ts|skrom | there we go |
| 15:36.36 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 15:37.46 | Shirik|Ecole | |FF|Im2good4u: Well that's exactly how you would do it |
| 15:39.47 | cryogen | if you have a frame that is just a container for secure buttons, does the container frame have to be secure? |
| 15:39.55 | cryogen | if so: what template should it use? |
| 15:41.24 | cog|work | cryogen, it doesn't |
| 15:43.19 | Shirik|Ecole | it doesn't have to be |
| 15:43.22 | Shirik|Ecole | but it will be locked down |
| 15:43.43 | cog|work | no moreso than the secure buttons themselves so that's somewhat moot |
| 15:43.44 | Shirik|Ecole | if you have an insecure frame and then anchor a secure frame to it, the insecure frame will lockdown in combat |
| 15:43.57 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah I"m just trying to point out that if he's planning to move stuff it's not going to work :P |
| 15:44.53 | cryogen | yeah, i'm planning to make it dragabble |
| 15:45.01 | cryogen | or draggable :) |
| 15:45.01 | cog|work | I was about to say "I explained that here..." but then realized that "here" is a chapter which I haven't even submitted for a book that isn't published yet >< |
| 15:45.07 | cog|work | Draggable's fine |
| 15:45.16 | clad|book | lol |
| 15:45.17 | cog|work | iirc manual movement will work as expected |
| 15:45.33 | cryogen | just that i wont be able to move it, or show/hide it from code right? |
| 15:45.34 | cryogen | which is fine |
| 15:45.40 | cog|work | yep |
| 15:45.45 | cryogen | its just a plain bar with some buttons on it |
| 15:45.51 | cryogen | stance or whatever is unimportant |
| 15:46.16 | cog|work | since StartMoving() inherently uses hardware input for its functionality, it's a secure action |
| 15:50.17 | cryogen | i can get the bar to show, but the button is being somewhat less cooperative |
| 15:55.14 | cog|work | Are you using the built-in ActionBarButtonTemplate? |
| 15:56.06 | cog|work | If so, does the button have an action attribute AND do you have an action in the given slot? |
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| 15:57.29 | cryogen | SecureActionButtonTemplate, ActionButtonTemplate - apparently |
| 15:58.14 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73816 is my xml - http://wowi.pastey.net/73817 is the code |
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| 15:58.41 | cryogen | im mostly bungling things together at this stage to see what works |
| 15:59.55 | cog|work | your button isn't given a location |
| 16:00.03 | JoshBorke | ~lart cog|work |
| 16:00.03 | purl | eats cog|work's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
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| 16:00.32 | JoshBorke | cog|work: i dunno, seemed like the right thing to do |
| 16:00.44 | cog|work | acceptible response |
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| 16:01.46 | cryogen | cog|work: woot! i see it now, however i set it to 0,0 and its in the top left of the screen rather than the bar :) |
| 16:02.18 | cog|work | button:SetPoint("TOPLEFT") is all you need |
| 16:02.53 | cryogen | yup that did the trick! |
| 16:02.55 | cryogen | nice one, thanks |
| 16:03.01 | cog|work | also, you don't need to pass button to t:SetAllPoints since button is the parent of t |
| 16:03.30 | cryogen | right,the texture thing was just for testing and i "borrowed" that from something that uses a button with no parent bar |
| 16:07.06 | Shirik | I agree with the lartage of cog|work |
| 16:07.28 | zenzelezz | you're just jealous because he gets more attention |
| 16:07.43 | Shirik | =( |
| 16:07.51 | JoshBorke | ~lart SHirik |
| 16:07.51 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks SHirik over |
| 16:07.54 | JoshBorke | just to be fair |
| 16:07.59 | Shirik | way to misspell my name |
| 16:08.02 | Shirik | you officially fail |
| 16:08.22 | Shirik | lua> "SHirik" == "Shirik" |
| 16:08.22 | cladbot | Shirik: false |
| 16:08.25 | Shirik | exactly. |
| 16:08.43 | JoshBorke | ~lart Shirik |
| 16:08.43 | purl | beats Shirik senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:08.53 | JoshBorke | ~lart Shirik |
| 16:08.54 | purl | overclocks Shirik until Shirik burns out |
| 16:09.11 | cryogen | ~whalecrit JoshBorke |
| 16:09.12 | purl | ACTION crits JoshBorke with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. JoshBorke dies |
| 16:09.23 | JoshBorke | ~whaleparry cryogen |
| 16:09.23 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry cryogen's attacks. |
| 16:10.01 | Valaron|Work | For your reading enjoyment: http://www.marryourdaughter.com/ |
| 16:10.12 | cryogen | you died already, you cant parry |
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| 16:10.39 | Valaron|Work | semi-safe for work. :P |
| 16:10.42 | JoshBorke | they are all underage |
| 16:11.25 | cncfanatics | Valaron, ur late |
| 16:11.32 | cog|work | JoshBorke: irrelevant in some states... |
| 16:11.46 | JoshBorke | still, 14.5 is too young |
| 16:12.01 | mikma | Valaron|Work: AHAHAHAHA |
| 16:12.02 | cog|work | marriage laws are much more lenient than statutory rape |
| 16:12.14 | nevcairiel | one is 17, and even pretty cheap! |
| 16:12.37 | JoshBorke | wow, 16 year old is garnering 99,995$ |
| 16:13.17 | Valaron|Work | :D |
| 16:13.29 | JoshBorke | with the next one up for 5995$ |
| 16:13.33 | Osagasu | There's... 14 and 13 year olds on there. |
| 16:14.10 | cog|work | legal to marry with parental consent in many states still :P |
| 16:14.19 | cryogen | strange people :) |
| 16:14.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:14.40 | JoshBorke | "She got an A in Home Ec. and has read up on what else would be expected of her as a wife and is looking forward to it." |
| 16:14.43 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: the cheap one needs strong christian values, guess those pay bad .P |
| 16:14.45 | mikma | oh, cog|work knows how to make buttons work with stances! |
| 16:15.18 | cncfanatics | mikma, cncfanatics does too, its easy |
| 16:15.25 | cog|work | mikma: check out cogsbar v1.1 on wowinterface.com |
| 16:15.31 | JoshBorke | jewish people are christians? |
| 16:15.33 | mikma | cog|work: was about to do that actually :) |
| 16:15.34 | Osagasu | Disgusting... |
| 16:15.47 | mikma | cncfanatics: oh, i might need your help later :) |
| 16:16.04 | JoshBorke | yea, it really is disgusting |
| 16:16.17 | cncfanatics | mikma, check FB's code, Attributes.lua file |
| 16:16.26 | mikma | cncfanatics: ok, moment |
| 16:16.47 | ts|skrom | http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/marryourdaughter.asp |
| 16:16.57 | mikma | ah, statemap-form |
| 16:17.25 | cncfanatics | should be $input in most cases yea |
| 16:17.42 | cog|work | cncfanatics: are you using the new 2.1 macro option syntax or the 2.0 state driver? |
| 16:18.11 | nevcairiel | 2.1 syntax ftw |
| 16:18.12 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:18.24 | nevcairiel | now i only need the new APIs from 2.3, and i am happy |
| 16:18.25 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.25 | JoshBorke | i'm really quite disgusted |
| 16:18.28 | JoshBorke | time to go, bye |
| 16:18.51 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak maa |
| 16:18.53 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Maa, Level 70 Dwarf Hunter (5/41/15). 10170 HP; 5968 Mana; 100 mana regen; 19 mp5; 6327 Armour; 2083 AP; 314.000 Melee DPS; 22.81% melee crit; 144 melee hit; 2424 RAP; 397.50 Ranged DPS; 29.07% ranged crit; 144 ranged hit; 18.27% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 762 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/29l9sh ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2w6zzz ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 12:31:36 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:18.54 | cog|work | I would tend to consider the old-style state drivers deprecated |
| 16:19.20 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, no idea |
| 16:19.24 | cncfanatics | whats the 2.1 syntax ? :o |
| 16:19.31 | nevcairiel | RegisterStateDriver |
| 16:19.44 | cncfanatics | RegisterStateDriver(SecureStateDriverFrame, "form", StateDriverMagic); |
| 16:19.45 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 16:19.49 | cncfanatics | StateDriverMagic ftw :p |
| 16:19.56 | cog|work | creating your own state driver with macro option syntax to define the states |
| 16:20.06 | Osagasu | !c us Sentinels Starbreak |
| 16:20.06 | cncfanatics | yea i'm doing that, it rocks, a lot |
| 16:20.10 | ThraeBot | Osagasu: Starbreak, Level 70 Human Mage (10/48/3). 6473 HP; 9401 Mana; 203 mana regen; 6 mp5; 209 spell crit; 61 spell hit; 693 +spell dmg/heal; 5.02% dodge;[[ TBR: 884 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ddhc5 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/355hxx ][ Updated: Thu Sep 13 12:32:54 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:20.24 | nevcairiel | the "old" state drivers only use those to be backwards compatible |
| 16:20.26 | nevcairiel | last time i checked |
| 16:20.27 | Osagasu | gogo 5.02% dodge. |
| 16:20.31 | cog|work | mikma: use FB's then... CB's is getting old |
| 16:20.35 | cncfanatics | can perfectly generate perfect state rules based on what states the user has available |
| 16:20.40 | mikma | cog|work: okidoki |
| 16:20.52 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how would this state driver generation code rate either way |
| 16:20.57 | cncfanatics | wondering if it has any bugs |
| 16:21.03 | cncfanatics | cuz I got no shapeshifting class myself |
| 16:21.06 | cryogen | where should i be looking if i want to do a complete scan of my bag contents? |
| 16:21.18 | nevcairiel | the only headache left is druids who chose to not do the aquatic quest |
| 16:21.19 | nevcairiel | -.- |
| 16:21.29 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, I got around that |
| 16:21.32 | cog|work | cryogen: nested for loops through bag and slot numbers |
| 16:21.33 | cncfanatics | at least, I think I did |
| 16:21.46 | nevcairiel | so did i, i scan the available forms :P |
| 16:21.54 | cncfanatics | I just use form names |
| 16:22.01 | cncfanatics | also scan |
| 16:22.09 | cncfanatics | names > numbers anyway |
| 16:22.13 | cncfanatics | the numbers can change, the names can't |
| 16:22.24 | nevcairiel | i dont like showing forms that are not important |
| 16:22.29 | nevcairiel | like aquatic |
| 16:22.32 | nevcairiel | or travel |
| 16:22.36 | nevcairiel | so i parse and remove those |
| 16:22.38 | cncfanatics | I just show em all |
| 16:22.52 | cncfanatics | no need to actualy use extra time to limit user options |
| 16:23.00 | cncfanatics | http://ace.pastey.net/73818 is my code |
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| 16:23.31 | cog|work | cryogen: http://wowi.pastey.net/73819 |
| 16:24.57 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, no bugs in my code btw ? |
| 16:25.08 | nevcairiel | what do i know |
| 16:25.10 | mikma | cncfanatics: so ok. i'll show you my little problem.. |
| 16:25.46 | cncfanatics | dunno nevcairiel, can only try :p |
| 16:26.33 | mikma | cncfanatics: currently i'm not trying to create new buttons, but to make ActionButton1-12 to swap when/if druid/warrior/rogue changes form/stance/stealth |
| 16:26.51 | cncfanatics | hmmm, u'd create a header for that, and set attributes on the buttons |
| 16:26.58 | mikma | cncfanatics: http://mikma.pastey.net/73809 |
| 16:27.12 | mikma | cncfanatics: now i have that. minus the two frame:SetAttribute lines |
| 16:27.25 | mikma | default buttons do work and are being shown |
| 16:27.26 | cncfanatics | u forgot RegisterStateDriver ? |
| 16:27.35 | cncfanatics | they wont be switching stances with that as far as I see |
| 16:27.39 | cryogen | cog|work: why the check for item:? can it return other stuff? |
| 16:28.01 | cog|work | cryogen: because some slots don't have items in them |
| 16:28.01 | mikma | well that's the whole problem, i don't know how to do it :D currently i use kyahx's library for that |
| 16:28.10 | cncfanatics | mikma, not hard |
| 16:28.13 | cncfanatics | for u |
| 16:28.20 | cog|work | in which case it would be nil |
| 16:28.33 | mikma | cncfanatics: http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/MiniBar/Frames/ActionBar.lua |
| 16:28.43 | cncfanatics | [stance:0]p1;[stance:1]p2; etc |
| 16:28.46 | cncfanatics | but thats bad practice imo |
| 16:28.56 | cncfanatics | cuz first, it doesn't support druid stealth (ur code that is) |
| 16:29.03 | cncfanatics | and, u add states for non switching classes |
| 16:29.15 | cryogen | cog|work: would link not be nil in that case then? |
| 16:29.17 | mikma | i'm planning to make a classcheck for that |
| 16:29.30 | cncfanatics | the function I gave in a pastey should return valid state button attributes and state driver macro code |
| 16:29.33 | cog|work | is that not what you asked? |
| 16:29.33 | cncfanatics | u can use it if u want |
| 16:29.40 | mikma | if class == "DRUID" then do othermagicinstead() end |
| 16:29.54 | cog|work | checking for link being nil is the only check i have in there... |
| 16:29.57 | cryogen | cog|work: if link and itemID == tonumber(strmatch(link, "item:(%d+):")) - i was wondering why the check for a match in link |
| 16:30.10 | cryogen | oh i see you're extracting something |
| 16:30.12 | cryogen | never mind |
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| 16:30.19 | cog|work | that's not a check for a match to link |
| 16:30.20 | cryogen | read that wrong |
| 16:30.25 | cog|work | that's a check to whether link exists |
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| 16:32.09 | cog|work | or something... i might not have understood but you seem to get it now :P |
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| 16:32.15 | cryogen | yeah |
| 16:32.31 | cryogen | i didnt read it properly on the web, but when i pasted it here i smacked my forehead |
| 16:33.05 | cog|work | odd how the /lack/ of syntax highlighting did that :P |
| 16:33.23 | cryogen | bigger text.. or something :p |
| 16:33.39 | cryogen | the name of the function gives it away a bit too |
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| 16:34.19 | cog|work | you have no idea how amusing that statement was... |
| 16:34.43 | cryogen | heh |
| 16:34.46 | cog|work | I used that function of an example of why you should use descriptive names for functions and variables in the Best Practices chapter |
| 16:34.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:34.58 | cryogen | haha |
| 16:35.27 | Shirik | what function? |
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| 16:36.49 | cog|work | Shirik: l2context |
| 16:36.51 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:37.04 | cog|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/73819 |
| 16:37.40 | Shirik | ih |
| 16:37.41 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:37.59 | cog|work | I have it written in two ways... one with single letter variable names and two-letter function names, and the other as you see there |
| 16:38.38 | Shirik | single letter var names are good |
| 16:38.53 | Shirik | should use them every chance you get |
| 16:38.59 | Shirik | that way the compiler doesn't have to parse as many characters |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | it also keeps your addon size down |
| 16:39.15 | cog|work | ~lart Shirik |
| 16:39.15 | purl | gives Shirik an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Shirik to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 16:39.18 | Shirik | =P |
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| 16:39.32 | clad|away | i use idx,entry a lot |
| 16:39.35 | Shirik | I think.... |
| 16:39.40 | clad|away | and full key,value quite a bit |
| 16:39.41 | cog|work | at least those are meaningful |
| 16:39.43 | clad|away | just cause =) |
| 16:39.44 | Shirik | this is the least descriptive variable names I've ever used |
| 16:40.04 | Shirik | as I wait for pastey to load... |
| 16:40.11 | cryogen | i would be happy with 'i' too |
| 16:40.29 | cryogen | HiThisIsMyIndexVariableIWillIncrementItEveryTimeILoop is a little unnecessary |
| 16:41.10 | cute_attack | Hello, if anyone can help/inform, I'm looking for any information I can get on writing lua code for dragging events |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/73820 |
| 16:41.10 | cog|work | cryogen: I briefly cover some generally accepted single-letter variable names |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | That's the least descriptive I've ever been |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | but as you can see, I heavily documented it |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | cute_attack: |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 16:41.11 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:41.11 | cryogen | cog|work: aye, standard stuff :) |
| 16:41.12 | Shirik | damn you purl you're slacking today |
| 16:41.13 | Shirik | thank you |
| 16:41.34 | cog|work | i, k & v, n, t, r, g, b, a, x, y, and _ |
| 16:41.44 | cute_attack | Well, basically I want to make the minimap draggable, in the sense that you can click inside the minimap and drag the map, not the whole minimap frame |
| 16:42.03 | cute_attack | so you can view other areas of the map without opening the world map frame |
| 16:42.11 | Shirik | cog|work: so what do you think of that function :P |
| 16:42.19 | cog|work | cute_attack: like google maps? |
| 16:42.21 | cute_attack | Now i know the addon Yatlas allows this |
| 16:42.26 | cute_attack | ya like google masp |
| 16:42.29 | cute_attack | *maps |
| 16:42.42 | cog|work | Shirik: haven't looked yet... i'm doing annoying busywork right now :( |
| 16:42.46 | Shirik | aww :( |
| 16:43.04 | cute_attack | i looked at the Yatlas.lua file and found self:RegisterForDrag("RighButton", "LeftButton) |
| 16:43.12 | cute_attack | but other than that |
| 16:43.21 | cute_attack | I'm lost at what to do |
| 16:43.43 | cute_attack | i mean that yatlas aloows dragging inside the map for the world map not the minimap |
| 16:43.47 | cute_attack | *allows |
| 16:43.50 | Shirik | Add an OnClick handler |
| 16:43.54 | Shirik | er |
| 16:43.55 | cute_attack | ok |
| 16:43.58 | Shirik | wait |
| 16:43.59 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 16:44.01 | cog|work | Shirik: i don't think those are non-descriptive at all, actually :P |
| 16:44.03 | cute_attack | lol ok |
| 16:44.11 | Shirik | you also need to SetMovable |
| 16:44.16 | Shirik | or is it draggable |
| 16:44.17 | Shirik | I forget |
| 16:44.25 | cute_attack | probably draggable.... |
| 16:44.26 | cog|work | t, dt, & fps are common terms given the context, and fn is easily identifiable :) |
| 16:44.41 | Shirik | I don't use RegisterForDrag myself |
| 16:44.43 | Shirik | but in your case you need to |
| 16:44.47 | cncfanatics | Dragger:EnableMouse(true); |
| 16:44.47 | cncfanatics | Dragger:SetMovable(false); |
| 16:44.56 | Shirik | I tend to use OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp scripts |
| 16:44.56 | cncfanatics | replace Dragger by MinimapFrame |
| 16:45.15 | cncfanatics | shldnt use SetMovable as ur not actualy moving the frame are you ? |
| 16:45.34 | cncfanatics | EnableMouse with an OnClick handler should do, or am I misunderstanding what u want ? (just checked this chan again) |
| 16:45.34 | cute_attack | no not moving the frame |
| 16:46.01 | zenzelezz | he just wants to move the actual map, not the cluster |
| 16:46.15 | cute_attack | yes exactly |
| 16:46.22 | cncfanatics | EnableMouse and add an onclick handler then imo |
| 16:46.40 | Shirik | not OnClick |
| 16:46.42 | cute_attack | what about the actual code to allow dragging |
| 16:46.43 | Shirik | OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp |
| 16:46.51 | cog|work | I'm not sure what you want is possible |
| 16:46.56 | cute_attack | oh? |
| 16:47.03 | zenzelezz | the minimap is sort of special |
| 16:47.08 | cog|work | The minimap map itself is rendered by the game engine |
| 16:47.10 | cute_attack | I;ve read that another addon named Yatlas allows dragging the map |
| 16:47.14 | cncfanatics | oh yes sorry, OnMuuseDown and up |
| 16:47.14 | cute_attack | oh |
| 16:47.25 | cute_attack | and that means? |
| 16:47.40 | cncfanatics | that you probably can't modify it, just like the 3d world |
| 16:47.42 | nevcairiel | yatlas is special |
| 16:47.47 | cncfanatics | don't take my word on that, I'm no minimap expert |
| 16:47.48 | cog|work | The textures might be available so you could build your own frame to drag around, but i'm pretty sure you can't change the texture coords of the minimap itself |
| 16:48.02 | nevcairiel | thats what yatlsa does |
| 16:48.06 | cute_attack | ok so i might have to make my own minimapframe |
| 16:48.10 | nevcairiel | it creates a full zone map from the textures |
| 16:48.11 | cute_attack | good to know |
| 16:48.26 | cncfanatics | doesnt it actualy have the zone maps saved? |
| 16:48.28 | cute_attack | yes, basically i want to make a minimap version of yatlas |
| 16:48.44 | cute_attack | it has images in folders of all the zone maps i tihnk |
| 16:48.50 | cryogen | lol, there's someguy on my server stood next to my dev char, he's level one, and kitted out in full town gear, including a mining pick enchanting with fiery weapon |
| 16:48.59 | cryogen | enchanted |
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| 16:49.08 | cncfanatics | god, stupid history homework |
| 16:49.09 | cncfanatics | grrrrrrr |
| 16:49.26 | cog|work | I wonder if the internal textures are accessible from lua land... |
| 16:49.33 | cncfanatics | probably |
| 16:49.38 | cncfanatics | if you know where to search |
| 16:49.45 | cncfanatics | I wouldnt have a clue where to start though |
| 16:50.02 | cog|work | exactly... if you find out where in the MPQs they are stored, you could probably reference them directly |
| 16:50.38 | Kaydeethree | they are, that's how an alpha build of Atlas I have works |
| 16:50.39 | cute_attack | in that case i could just download the blizzard file viewers and look for them no/ |
| 16:50.47 | cute_attack | ? |
| 16:50.48 | cncfanatics | wouldnt it be rather hard to build ur own minimap ? |
| 16:50.54 | cog|work | cute_attack: yep |
| 16:51.11 | cute_attack | well initially i didn't want to build my own minimap |
| 16:51.15 | cute_attack | but if i have no choice |
| 16:51.17 | cog|work | cncfanatics: not really, though it'd have to be square |
| 16:51.31 | cute_attack | actually i would perfer wide rectanglle |
| 16:51.41 | cute_attack | couldn't i make it any shape? |
| 16:52.49 | cncfanatics | how would u actualy start building the map urself ? |
| 16:52.58 | cncfanatics | I have no clue, but i'm no texture expert either :) |
| 16:53.22 | cute_attack | first im going to try and just see if i can customize the default minimap |
| 16:53.50 | cute_attack | i mean write code so i can drag |
| 16:53.54 | cute_attack | if it doesnt work the |
| 16:53.56 | cute_attack | then |
| 16:54.06 | cute_attack | i might just stop |
| 16:54.25 | cute_attack | since I don't think I have the experience to make a minimap replacement from scratch |
| 16:55.15 | cog|work | either way you do it, the dragging code is going to be the trickiest part... it would involve a decent amount of math and some very specific tracking of mouse movement |
| 16:55.22 | cryogen | if you change the texture of an already shown button, do you need to do some voodoo to refresh it? |
| 16:55.31 | cncfanatics | cryogen, you shouldn't |
| 16:55.50 | cncfanatics | textures change as you change them I think |
| 16:56.12 | cute_attack | what kind of math? |
| 16:56.22 | cncfanatics | coordinate math most probably |
| 16:56.27 | cute_attack | heh |
| 16:56.28 | cncfanatics | it sucks, hard, I do enough of it for FB :( |
| 16:56.38 | cute_attack | oh |
| 16:56.54 | cute_attack | is there anything I can use for some sort of reference for this to learn? |
| 16:57.11 | cncfanatics | a sheet of paper what an x and y axis drawn on them are ur best friend for coord math |
| 16:57.14 | cute_attack | i don't think any of the tutorials on wowwiki are relevant |
| 16:57.23 | cute_attack | ok |
| 16:57.35 | cncfanatics | I dunno if i'm right though, think cog knows much more about minimap stuff then me |
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| 16:58.02 | cute_attack | tracking of mouse movement shouldnt be too complicated |
| 16:58.12 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73821 |
| 16:58.16 | cryogen | cncfanatics: thats what im doing, look ok? |
| 16:58.16 | cncfanatics | involves an OnUpdate handler msot probably |
| 16:58.27 | cute_attack | there is a function to get the mouse position |
| 16:58.39 | cncfanatics | u need to get the mouse position relative to its precedent one |
| 16:58.47 | cute_attack | oh ya |
| 16:58.50 | cncfanatics | u need to know how much it changes so u can change minimap coords accordingly |
| 16:59.07 | cute_attack | im starting to think this is beyond ...my scope |
| 16:59.28 | cncfanatics | looks fine cryogen |
| 16:59.40 | cncfanatics | what item has 6948 as itemid ? |
| 16:59.48 | cryogen | hearthstone |
| 17:00.03 | cncfanatics | not all of them for sure |
| 17:01.04 | cryogen | it picks up the fact i have one ok, and picks up my button ok |
| 17:01.09 | cryogen | but doesnt seem to set the texture |
| 17:01.55 | cncfanatics | does it work with a random texture ? |
| 17:02.16 | cryogen | yeah |
| 17:02.23 | cncfanatics | then jsut print out tex and see what it returns |
| 17:02.33 | cryogen | well in that function im not sure, lemmie try |
| 17:02.36 | cncfanatics | !api GetContainerItemInfo |
| 17:02.36 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: texture, itemCount, locked, quality, readable = GetContainerItemInfo(bagID, slot); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetContainerItemInfo |
| 17:03.34 | cryogen | cncfanatics: interestingly, random texture doesnt work in that function, so i guess it is not getting my button after all :) |
| 17:03.55 | cncfanatics | make sure random textures work, then it shld work with item textures too :) |
| 17:04.40 | cryogen | random texture works when i create the button, but not when i call a function after creation |
| 17:05.25 | cncfanatics | either way, why are u creating the texture in that func ? |
| 17:05.34 | cncfanatics | u shld set an already existing one except if i'm geting something wrong |
| 17:06.00 | cryogen | random texture works when i create the button, but not when i call a function after creationan object or just the string |
| 17:06.09 | cryogen | er |
| 17:06.25 | cryogen | thats to my son there for messing that up completely :p |
| 17:06.34 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 17:06.45 | cncfanatics | bleh, anyone good in history ? (a) make my homeworfk |
| 17:07.00 | cryogen | o just put that in there to try and plug stuff till it wotked |
| 17:07.03 | cryogen | worked |
| 17:07.09 | cute_attack | is this what I should be implementing?? http://wowi.pastey.net/73823 |
| 17:07.26 | cute_attack | I found that in yatlas/lua file |
| 17:07.32 | cute_attack | *yatlas.lua |
| 17:07.43 | cncfanatics | ok, I'm going afk till I get this homework done, else it'll never be done |
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| 17:11.22 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 17:11.30 | Kaydeethree | it's been 2 years since Corrupted Blood happened |
| 17:12.39 | Elkano | ??? |
| 17:12.50 | Kaydeethree | http://www.wowwiki.com/Corrupted_Blood |
| 17:12.54 | Kaydeethree | the ZG plague |
| 17:13.13 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 17:14.30 | Shirik | oh I remember that |
| 17:15.04 | Elkano | same here |
| 17:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | Piles of bodies everywhere, great fun in Ironforge. |
| 17:16.08 | Elkano | I remember the video when it happend in Orgrimmar ^^ |
| 17:16.35 | cryogen | cncfanatics: yay it works |
| 17:16.42 | Kaydeethree | I'm more of a fan of the Geddon Bomb going off by the AH in IF video |
| 17:16.58 | cryogen | (enjoy your homework :) |
| 17:17.49 | cncfanatics | meh, make it for me |
| 17:17.53 | cncfanatics | I hate history |
| 17:18.07 | cryogen | turns out that cog|work cast misdirection on me |
| 17:18.10 | cryogen | he broke it! |
| 17:18.43 | cryogen | taking out buttonTexture:SetAllPoints(button) made it not display |
| 17:19.38 | Shirik | So the T4 2-piece set bonus for healing priests is "Your prayer of healing also grants an additional 150 healing over 9 sec" |
| 17:19.43 | cncfanatics | ofc it did cryogen |
| 17:19.45 | Shirik | Is that affected by +healing? |
| 17:19.48 | cog|work | cryogen: that's not what i told you to do |
| 17:19.52 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:19.56 | cncfanatics | either way |
| 17:20.03 | cncfanatics | I'm wanting to reroll a melee class |
| 17:20.09 | cryogen | dont do it! |
| 17:20.14 | cncfanatics | I want an active server, any suggestions ? also suggest meh what class xD |
| 17:20.15 | Shirik | make a female BE rogue |
| 17:20.27 | cncfanatics | no horde meh, I know all their quests by heart |
| 17:20.35 | cryogen | you got a hunter? |
| 17:20.37 | cncfanatics | and i'm bored of my ally priesty, need to whack stuff |
| 17:20.41 | Shirik | hunter != melee |
| 17:20.41 | Shirik | foo |
| 17:20.46 | cryogen | i know |
| 17:20.47 | cog|work | <cog|work>also, you don't need to pass button to t:SetAllPoints since button is the parent of t |
| 17:20.52 | cryogen | but melee suck, make a hunter instead |
| 17:20.56 | cog|work | that doesn't say take out SetAllPoints :P |
| 17:21.02 | cncfanatics | no thanks, I like whacking stuff |
| 17:21.16 | cryogen | to me it does :) |
| 17:21.28 | cryogen | but thats just my lack of understanding |
| 17:21.41 | cryogen | i assume you mean i can call it without passing a paramter? |
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| 17:21.55 | cog|work | yep |
| 17:21.56 | cncfanatics | indeed he does |
| 17:21.57 | cncfanatics | if I can read :p |
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| 17:22.32 | cryogen | so, my button displays on my bar |
| 17:22.38 | cryogen | and shows a picture of my hearthstone |
| 17:22.43 | cryogen | now to make it actually use it! |
| 17:22.44 | cncfanatics | anyone play on an active EU server ?N |
| 17:22.47 | cncfanatics | i'm willing to join up :) |
| 17:22.57 | cncfanatics | cryogen, if ur not using an actionbutton |
| 17:22.58 | cncfanatics | one tip |
| 17:23.04 | cncfanatics | STRIP OUT the damn uniqueid for conjured items |
| 17:23.07 | cncfanatics | or ur gonna get probs |
| 17:23.40 | cryogen | duely noted |
| 17:23.52 | cncfanatics | ItemLink = string.gsub(ItemLink, "(.*):(.-)$", "%1:0"); would do that just fine btw |
| 17:23.55 | cncfanatics | thats what I use |
| 17:25.14 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 17:25.36 | sag_ich_nicht | a friend of mine, let's call him IDIOT, has a broken ATI driver. |
| 17:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | why? |
| 17:25.52 | cog|work | cryogen: you're massively overcomplicating if you're trying to make a bar mod |
| 17:25.53 | sag_ich_nicht | because he run some stupid 1 click tuning utility that disabled 8.3 file name creation for NTFS |
| 17:26.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:26.06 | Kaydeethree | wtf? |
| 17:26.13 | cryogen | cog|work: im actually trying to make an autobar clone |
| 17:26.37 | cog|work | ok... ignore me then :P |
| 17:26.43 | sag_ich_nicht | why? ATI installs a non-pnp driver that breaks since it uses 8.3 PATHS, altho it's all 32-bit code. |
| 17:27.00 | cog|work | though you'll still probably want to use the built-in template and manually update its appearance |
| 17:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | also, for the same reason, his DVD drive only reads DVDs, but no CDs anymore |
| 17:27.22 | sag_ich_nicht | ASPI broke |
| 17:27.26 | cryogen | it doesnt use action bar slots though |
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| 17:27.32 | cryogen | it's just a button that uses an invenory item |
| 17:27.37 | cryogen | +t |
| 17:27.45 | cog|work | that's why i said to update its appearance manually |
| 17:27.54 | cryogen | in that case which tem |
| 17:27.54 | cryogen | p |
| 17:27.55 | cryogen | la |
| 17:27.55 | cog|work | the behavior is all handled by secure code |
| 17:28.00 | cryogen | te are you refering o?]= |
| 17:28.06 | cog|work | ActionButtonTemplate |
| 17:28.35 | cog|work | it's already got all the pieces you need... icon, cooldown, count, hotkey, etc. |
| 17:28.47 | cog|work | you just have to tell them what to do |
| 17:29.16 | cog|work | and as far as behavior goes, all you need to do is give it a type attribute of item and an item attribute of "Hearthstone" |
| 17:29.36 | cryogen | whats that fancy bot command that'll link me to wowi's copy of the lua for ActionButtonTemplate? |
| 17:29.55 | cog|work | ~framexml ActionButton.lua |
| 17:29.56 | purl | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/ActionButton.lua |
| 17:30.01 | cog|work | ~framexml ActionButton.xml |
| 17:30.02 | purl | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/ActionButton.xml |
| 17:30.02 | cryogen | thats the one |
| 17:30.16 | cog|work | hmm those might be wrong |
| 17:30.26 | cog|work | maybe ~framexml ActionButtonTemplate.xml |
| 17:30.58 | cog|work | you'll need to multiply inherit that and SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 17:31.11 | cryogen | yeah have them both already |
| 17:31.36 | cog|work | last i looked you had SecureAnchorEnterTemplate :P |
| 17:32.23 | cryogen | <Button name="StuBarButtonTemplate" virtual="true" inherits="SecureActionButtonTemplate, ActionButtonTemplate"> |
| 17:32.46 | cryogen | i have probably tidied up the xml somewhat since i pasted it last |
| 17:32.47 | cog|work | make it a checkbutton though |
| 17:32.53 | cryogen | with my new fangled understandingmajig |
| 17:33.37 | the-golem | wow |
| 17:33.54 | the-golem | purl is a genious (and whoever scripted her) |
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| 17:35.05 | cryogen | making it a checkbutton made it disappear, but that doesnt surprise me there's probably voodoo i need to do now |
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| 17:38.45 | cncfanatics | I suggest using itemlinks with stripped out uniqueid instead of item names btw |
| 17:38.58 | cncfanatics | ohj, and why use xml ? |
| 17:39.04 | cncfanatics | limits ur amount of buttons |
| 17:39.11 | cncfanatics | create ur buttons on the fly when needing em imo |
| 17:39.47 | cryogen | one step at a time :) |
| 17:39.54 | cryogen | and im only using xml for the bar and the template button |
| 17:40.54 | cncfanatics | I dislike WoW XML :) |
| 17:41.01 | Shirik | that's your personal opinion |
| 17:41.04 | cncfanatics | actualy, I dislike everything that remotely has to do with textures |
| 17:41.13 | Shirik | there's nothing wrong with using XML; some people find it more natural |
| 17:41.18 | Shirik | myself, I don't, but I know cog|work tends to like it |
| 17:41.22 | cncfanatics | Shirik, its also a fact that for that kind of addons lua > xml as you can create buttons on the fly |
| 17:41.29 | Shirik | no |
| 17:41.33 | Shirik | xml > lua for some things |
| 17:41.47 | cryogen | i use a mix of both, so i win! |
| 17:41.49 | Shirik | for example, it is impossible to create a virtual frame in Lua |
| 17:42.03 | cncfanatics | indeed true |
| 17:42.03 | cog|work | cncfanatics: describing the template in XML and creating in lua is the best imo |
| 17:42.22 | cncfanatics | kinda agree with that cog, though I dislike xml because it has no error reporting in wow also |
| 17:42.29 | cncfanatics | error in xml = nonworking addon for unknown reasons |
| 17:42.31 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 17:42.35 | Shirik | there's a log file |
| 17:42.48 | cryogen | "in wow":) |
| 17:42.58 | Shirik | there is a log file in wow's folder |
| 17:43.00 | Shirik | I consider that in wow |
| 17:43.08 | cncfanatics | I mean ingame, should clarify, I also didn't know about that logfile though |
| 17:43.12 | cncfanatics | thanks for that tip :) |
| 17:43.20 | cryogen | but ye took me a while of my addon not workig completely before i found that log |
| 17:43.44 | cryogen | also its a bit crap since it usually just says "failed to parse xml" which your addon not loading already tells you anywya |
| 17:44.16 | cncfanatics | you could manualy parse it using the xsl sheet blizz provides though and check for errors, butI consider that a pain |
| 17:44.34 | cryogen | actually i tell a lie, it does inform you of things like missing parents and stuff too |
| 17:45.01 | cog|work | cryogen: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 17:45.02 | cncfanatics | oh nvm then |
| 17:45.06 | Shirik | you could use virual studio |
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| 17:45.16 | cog|work | ~fail shirik |
| 17:45.17 | purl | shirik: Fail. |
| 17:45.19 | Shirik | =( |
| 17:45.19 | cryogen | thats cool |
| 17:45.24 | cncfanatics | hmmm, can't you do that in vim too ? |
| 17:45.33 | cncfanatics | at least I think I remember some xls thingy too for it |
| 17:45.43 | cog|work | cncfanatics: no one i've talked to has ever said it'll do code completion |
| 17:45.51 | cryogen | i would be surprised if you couldnt xls in vim |
| 17:45.59 | Shirik | "Chances are, you don't just have a copy of Visual Studio hanging around for your coding pleasure. " |
| 17:46.12 | cryogen | being a developer by trade |
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| 17:46.26 | cryogen | not on my laptop though, sadly |
| 17:46.50 | cog|work | i'm sure you can get some sort of error checking in vim but VS does full context-sensitive code completion :P |
| 17:47.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'd be surprised if noone actualy bothered to copy that feature into vim yet |
| 17:47.11 | cog|work | allows for more discovery and less memorization |
| 17:48.52 | cog|work | Dreamweaver will also do a bit of completion for you but it doesn't seem to be smart enough to only allow tags where they're allowed by the schema |
| 17:49.17 | cryogen | interesintg, i would not have expected changing a button to a checkbox to have made my bar disappear :) |
| 17:49.30 | cog|work | O.O |
| 17:49.36 | cog|work | are you sure that's all that changed? |
| 17:49.42 | cryogen | fairy |
| 17:49.45 | cryogen | +l |
| 17:49.55 | cog|work | don't call me a fairy! |
| 17:49.58 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:50.49 | Industrial | cogwheel is a fairy, cogwheel is a fairy, neener neener neener! |
| 17:51.19 | cog|work | it's spelled G-N-O-M-E |
| 17:52.43 | Industrial | footy-on-legs =D |
| 17:52.54 | cryogen | darn i must have had some other unsaved xml changed |
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| 17:55.25 | cog|work | check your FrameXML.log |
| 17:55.39 | cryogen | no errors |
| 17:55.47 | cryogen | and my xml hasnt changed since my last pastey |
| 17:55.48 | cryogen | weird. |
| 17:55.57 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.07 | cncfanatics | (it is on my system, but meh, that doesnt mean a lot now does it ?) |
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| 17:58.50 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73828 - any idea why that bar doesnt display now? |
| 17:59.11 | cryogen | and i would love to try fb for you but a) its far more complicated than i need and b) you aced it up :) |
| 18:00.27 | cog|work | cryogen: i know exactly why it doesn't display :P |
| 18:01.32 | cog|work | 1) <Scripts> can't be empty. 2) <Scripts> must occur after <Anchors> |
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| 18:06.50 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73828 still doesnt work, and no xml errors |
| 18:07.09 | cryogen | (i removed the ui attributes because the pastey url restrictions are annoying :) |
| 18:07.21 | cog|work | the StuBarFrame doesn't have a size |
| 18:07.45 | cog|work | not required by xml but required to render |
| 18:07.58 | cryogen | yup that was it |
| 18:08.04 | cryogen | but i wonder why it worked before |
| 18:08.16 | cryogen | oh i know why there was another parent in the chain which i took out because it was redundant |
| 18:08.28 | cryogen | that probably defined the size |
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| 18:10.59 | cryogen | alright, changed over to checkbutton, what was the point of that again? :) |
| 18:12.20 | cncfanatics | eh, have all basic button stuff defined prolly |
| 18:12.27 | cncfanatics | CheckedTexture, HighlightTexture are must |
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| 18:15.26 | cog|work | cryogen: while an action is happening (e.g. channelling a spell) the button should be in a checked state |
| 18:15.46 | cog|work | same for on next attack abilities |
| 18:16.58 | zenzelezz | you also see it when you're having a lag spike |
| 18:17.23 | cryogen | indeed |
| 18:17.48 | cryogen | i think the only use i'll have for that is bandages, but im convinced! |
| 18:18.31 | cncfanatics | cryogen, autoattack ? |
| 18:18.40 | zenzelezz | also true |
| 18:18.42 | cncfanatics | (at least I use a check for that instead of a red glow on the button) |
| 18:19.12 | cryogen | autoattack on autobar? :p |
| 18:19.51 | cncfanatics | aah yea ur making an autobar kind of stuff |
| 18:21.42 | cryogen | hmm |
| 18:22.41 | cryogen | SetNormalTexture works but doesnt scale it down to the size of the button |
| 18:23.02 | Kaydeethree | hm... I wonder if the CMs supervisors have been going "Thou shalt post incessantly on general all this week." |
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| 18:23.40 | cog|work | must read ---> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602581882 |
| 18:23.50 | cryogen | we like things to read |
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| 18:24.02 | cog|work | <3 Drysc |
| 18:24.13 | Kaydeethree | that was the thread that inspired my earlier comment |
| 18:24.17 | Kaydeethree | I actually made it on page 1 |
| 18:24.49 | Kaydeethree | s/I actually/I'm impressed that I/ |
| 18:25.26 | cryogen | haha thats good |
| 18:25.55 | Industrial | whoever made the MinimapBorder texture |
| 18:25.56 | Industrial | die |
| 18:26.54 | Industrial | how do I move the minimap AND the MinimapBorder ? MinimapBorder is setpointed to MinimapBackdrop (wich is not visible/0% alpha) wich is setpointed to MinimapBackdrop wich needs to stay topright. |
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| 18:27.24 | Industrial | furthermore, that texture is larget then just the circle, so im poking around with x/why to get it to fit around the minimap |
| 18:27.31 | Industrial | and its hell ! >:| |
| 18:27.35 | Industrial | such a simple thing :( |
| 18:27.58 | Industrial | x/y * |
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| 18:31.59 | Thunder_Child | i just saw an ad for dell's 6K gaming machine and noticed that it comes with home premium...not even ultimate, what crap |
| 18:32.24 | cncfanatics | who wants MS products anyway ? |
| 18:32.43 | Thunder_Child | someone that plays alot of games |
| 18:33.15 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602231678&postId=16021981603&sid=1#4 |
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| 18:37.40 | Cidan | I do |
| 18:37.48 | Cidan | I play too many games, :( |
| 18:44.13 | cryogen | cog|work: alright now im sufficiently confused |
| 18:45.04 | cryogen | why is the texture significantly bigger than the button bounds |
| 18:51.32 | cncfanatics | good profs for a rogue ? |
| 18:51.49 | zenzelezz | I see a few engineers |
| 18:52.28 | cog|work | I'm usually LW or alch |
| 18:52.43 | cryogen | depends on you need/focus |
| 18:53.13 | cryogen | if you want money, gathering, if you want pvp engineering, blacksmithing is a good idea if you want a good weapon at 70 |
| 18:53.37 | lolinternet | christ |
| 18:53.41 | lolinternet | this PC of his |
| 18:53.43 | lolinternet | is so broken |
| 18:53.48 | lolinternet | i am suprised it's booting. |
| 18:53.50 | lolinternet | >_< |
| 18:53.54 | lolinternet | stupid friend >< |
| 18:56.07 | GofG | Anyone want to level a toon to 10 for me? I absolutely hate the level 10 grind. Repetitive quests suck. |
| 18:56.35 | cog|dailies | level 10 should only take you 1-2 hrs... |
| 18:56.51 | clad|book | i love level 10 |
| 18:56.57 | clad|book | its extremely easy |
| 18:57.01 | clad|book | getting there =/ |
| 18:57.13 | cog|dailies | same... esp the gnome/dwarf starting area |
| 18:57.20 | clad|book | hehe |
| 18:57.22 | cog|dailies | i could do that place in my sleep |
| 18:57.29 | clad|book | nelf start is probably the easiest tho |
| 18:57.31 | clad|book | still |
| 18:57.33 | cryogen | level 10 is like, nothing :) |
| 18:57.36 | clad|book | not much running at all |
| 18:57.39 | cryogen | its 10-20 thats annoying |
| 18:58.05 | clad|book | yep |
| 18:58.06 | clad|book | true dat |
| 18:58.30 | cog|dailies | plus you can have your account closed for letting someone else use it |
| 18:59.54 | cryogen | 38-42 is the next annoying bit |
| 19:00.29 | cryogen | whats really annoying is how confusing this frame stuff is |
| 19:03.00 | GofG | Eh |
| 19:03.07 | GofG | I've run 1-10 with every race in every starting zone |
| 19:03.09 | GofG | like 5 times each |
| 19:03.12 | GofG | and I hate everything |
| 19:03.17 | GofG | except the NE starting zone |
| 19:03.22 | GofG | but I want to start a shaman |
| 19:03.41 | GofG | and I want my shaman to be able to speak that stupid furbolg language and stuffs |
| 19:03.48 | GofG | and have good rep there |
| 19:06.28 | Dotted | so you got 50 characters? |
| 19:10.42 | GofG | >.< I guess |
| 19:10.49 | GofG | Yeah |
| 19:10.55 | GofG | Long story |
| 19:11.06 | GofG | My friend keeps starting up trial accounts and wanting to start new characters with me :/ |
| 19:15.34 | cryogen | ok now it's determined to annoy me, pushedtexture and highlighttexture work ok but normaltexture is way too big |
| 19:15.37 | cryogen | o_O |
| 19:20.50 | cryogen | and it also doesnt respond to clicks |
| 19:22.14 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/73829 hints appreciated |
| 19:24.00 | Cidan | man |
| 19:24.07 | Cidan | I'm totally looking forward to ReactOS |
| 19:26.44 | Valaron|Work | http://www.bash.org/?575675 |
| 19:27.42 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 19:28.50 | kergoth | I filled out an application that said, "In Case Of Emergency |
| 19:28.50 | kergoth | Notify". I wrote "Doctor"... What's my mother going to do? |
| 19:28.50 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.56 | cryogen | lol |
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| 19:36.36 | Industrial | HELP <-- I need it. |
| 19:37.04 | Industrial | I need to setpoint MinimapBackground to Minimap, but .. correctly :| has anyone done this? |
| 19:37.57 | Industrial | I want to move Minimap but not MinimapCluster, because that will move the blizz quest thingy and durability man out of the worldframe |
| 19:40.45 | foxlit|mac | What's MinimapBackground? |
| 19:41.15 | Thunder_Child | the background of the minimap? |
| 19:41.23 | cryogen | sweet! it works |
| 19:41.43 | foxlit|mac | It's not called minimapbackground, though? |
| 19:43.27 | foxlit|mac | MinimapBackdrop:ClearAllPoints(); MinimapBackdrop:SetPoint("CENTER", Minimap); |
| 19:43.39 | foxlit|mac | Minimap:ClearAllPoints(); Minimap:SetPoint(...); |
| 19:46.59 | foxlit|mac | Do I win? :) |
| 19:48.25 | cryogen | you win.. a peanut! |
| 19:49.02 | foxlit|mac | Yay! A peanut! |
| 19:50.42 | Thunder_Child | i think the backdrop is the fram around the minimap |
| 19:50.46 | Thunder_Child | frame* |
| 19:51.19 | Kaydeethree | woo, hail |
| 19:51.23 | Kaydeethree | and my car's totally out in the open |
| 19:51.28 | Kaydeethree | good thing I've got good insurance |
| 19:51.29 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.34 | Thunder_Child | i want hail..... |
| 19:51.54 | Thunder_Child | everyone else always gets the good stuff |
| 19:52.33 | Kaydeethree | local radar: http://tinyurl.com/2rbb65 |
| 19:52.48 | Kaydeethree | I'm a few pixels south of the south end of the statesboro dot |
| 19:53.05 | Kaydeethree | crap, wrong map |
| 19:53.18 | Thunder_Child | heh...i was wondering where statesboro was |
| 19:53.25 | Kaydeethree | http://tinyurl.com/3ay89v |
| 19:55.07 | Thunder_Child | right in the nice red spot |
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| 20:05.15 | foxlit|mac | Anyone aware of any decent mac lua binaries? |
| 20:07.45 | batrick | ... mac lua binaries? |
| 20:07.55 | batrick | u mean the interpretter? |
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| 20:09.10 | foxlit|mac | yes |
| 20:09.19 | batrick | ... dont' you have gcc |
| 20:09.20 | batrick | ? |
| 20:09.28 | foxlit|mac | Well, libraries are a bit less important |
| 20:09.56 | foxlit|mac | I can probably build it from source, but a few things don't add up. |
| 20:10.04 | batrick | uh like what |
| 20:10.32 | foxlit|mac | left/right arrows producing ^[[C ^[[D in input rather than behaving properly |
| 20:10.53 | Kaydeethree | blame your terminal emulator? |
| 20:11.23 | foxlit|mac | Blame the lua binaries! :) |
| 20:11.31 | batrick | uh no :P |
| 20:11.37 | foxlit|mac | (I'm guessing there's a configuration switch somewhere) |
| 20:13.00 | batrick | are you using make properly? |
| 20:13.49 | foxlit|mac | Define properlyl |
| 20:14.44 | batrick | make macosx |
| 20:14.45 | batrick | ? |
| 20:15.11 | foxlit|mac | That wouldn't work! :P |
| 20:15.21 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.30 | foxlit|mac | And yes, using the macos variant of the makefile |
| 20:16.19 | foxlit|mac | in this case, makefiles are pre-supplied |
| 20:16.24 | batrick | As Kaydeethree said, it's probably your terminal emulator |
| 20:16.33 | foxlit|mac | http://luabinaries.luaforge.net/index.html |
| 20:16.45 | foxlit|mac | It's the combination of the terminal and the binary |
| 20:17.06 | foxlit|mac | Since every other terminal binary I can think of works properly |
| 20:18.44 | pastamancer | foxlit|mac: get it from fink/darwinports? |
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| 20:21.59 | foxlit|mac | pastamancer: who where when? |
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| 20:28.10 | cryogen | cog|work: im well on track now! thanks for the help today :) |
| 20:28.29 | cog|work | np. :) sorry i haven't been around for the last hour or so ... |
| 20:28.44 | cryogen | thats ok, it inspired me to find it out for myself :) |
| 20:28.45 | Thunder_Child | ~fail cog|work |
| 20:28.45 | purl | cog|work: Fail. |
| 20:28.54 | cog|work | oh good... |
| 20:29.04 | cog|work | i wish more people worked like that... |
| 20:29.18 | cncfanatics | g'night peeps |
| 20:29.48 | Thunder_Child | night cncfanatics |
| 20:30.13 | foxlit|mac | Ended up finding an xcode-encased sources that produces he right thing when built. |
| 20:30.22 | foxlit|mac | Pretend grammar agrees with me there. |
| 20:30.39 | Thunder_Child | cant...streches imagination to much |
| 20:31.02 | cryogen | cog|work: whether i did it the rightway or not i dont know, but it works! |
| 20:31.15 | cryogen | and i downloaded VS Express and you are right the validator is the shit |
| 20:31.36 | cog|work | cryogen: and that's what really matters :P if someone looks at your code and tells you ZOMGWTFBBQ DID U DU THERE then you'll at least be able to fix it ;) |
| 20:32.01 | cryogen | heh yeah |
| 20:32.11 | cryogen | now i need to get on with the "real" work.. hmm.. |
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| 20:42.22 | Kaydeethree | oh, wow. haven't done that in a while |
| 20:42.25 | Kaydeethree | just crashed firefox |
| 20:44.58 | Cidan | oh man |
| 20:45.00 | Cidan | Synergy |
| 20:45.02 | Cidan | == wins |
| 20:45.09 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:45.16 | Cidan | by far |
| 20:45.24 | Cidan | the most kick ass program ever. |
| 20:47.25 | cog|work | rofl http://www.bash.org/?803851 |
| 20:48.03 | Cidan | hahaha |
| 20:49.19 | JoshBorke | Cidan: synergy is quite nice |
| 20:49.49 | Cidan | I'm totally in love with it |
| 20:49.52 | Thunder_Child | yea, grat program |
| 20:49.57 | Thunder_Child | great* |
| 20:50.05 | Cidan | So much better than a KVM, if you have a second monitor anyways |
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| 20:50.08 | Thunder_Child | used it at work for fun |
| 20:50.57 | Thunder_Child | KVM is 1 monitor multiple sysytems, this is multiple systes with multiple monitors |
| 20:51.02 | Thunder_Child | systems* |
| 20:51.37 | cog|work | http://www.bash.org/?803557 |
| 20:51.47 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:52.04 | Thunder_Child | if anyone is a member of fileplanet, you might want to keep an eye on http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions/crysis/beta/temp_closed.aspx |
| 20:52.07 | Cidan | I wonder if I can play WoW on my laptop AND on here |
| 20:52.09 | Cidan | at the same time! |
| 20:52.20 | Cidan | or zomg, two games at once |
| 20:52.27 | Cidan | Age of Empires and WoW |
| 20:53.10 | Thunder_Child | both would have to be in windowd mode |
| 20:53.16 | Thunder_Child | windowed* |
| 20:53.53 | Cidan | mm |
| 20:53.55 | Cidan | Crysis |
| 20:54.12 | Cidan | Eager to try it with DX10 |
| 20:55.03 | Thunder_Child | i just want to see if i can play with all the settings maxed out |
| 20:55.19 | Thunder_Child | i can with Enemy Territory: Quake Wars Demo |
| 20:55.45 | Thunder_Child | - the retarded 30fps cap |
| 20:57.52 | Cidan | eh |
| 20:57.54 | cryogen | its amazing the amount of crap you pick up in your chatlogs if you idle in the AH for a few hours |
| 20:57.57 | Cidan | didn't like ET:QW |
| 20:58.44 | Thunder_Child | i'm not a huge fan of it either....but i play them to see if they strees my system |
| 20:58.48 | Thunder_Child | stress* |
| 20:58.58 | Cidan | ah |
| 20:59.14 | Cidan | I'd rather play battlefield or something |
| 20:59.22 | Thunder_Child | CSS for me |
| 20:59.35 | Cidan | or CSS is fine too |
| 20:59.45 | Cidan | but BF2 is mucho fun |
| 20:59.51 | Cidan | BF2142 is fun too, but eh. |
| 21:00.12 | Thunder_Child | i have 2142 but i never play it |
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| 21:01.51 | amro|laptop | ut2k4 (soon 3) for me |
| 21:02.19 | amro|laptop | not a big fan of the battlefield series. BF2 on PS2 was a huge disappointment |
| 21:03.49 | Cidan | ah, never played a shooter on console |
| 21:03.55 | Cidan | UT3 will be great though |
| 21:03.57 | Cidan | and TF2 |
| 21:03.58 | cryogen | can you show new buttons in combat if you arent using a secure bar? |
| 21:04.12 | Kaydeethree | sure. you can show/hide whatever you want during combat if it's not secure |
| 21:04.21 | Cidan | if you're NOT using secure frames, you can do whatever |
| 21:04.26 | Cidan | just can't click-action them |
| 21:04.26 | cryogen | the button itself it secure |
| 21:04.27 | amro|laptop | I've been holding off upgrading my desktop until ut3 |
| 21:04.29 | cryogen | the bar is not |
| 21:04.35 | cryogen | s/it/is/ |
| 21:04.53 | amro|laptop | and I hope they deliver on their promise to go back to UT's roots |
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| 21:05.08 | cryogen | the button will need to be clickable yes |
| 21:05.44 | cryogen | its like a popup button(s) that come out when you mouse over another button |
| 21:06.45 | Cidan | Then no, I don't think you can. |
| 21:06.58 | cryogen | so id need a secure bar? |
| 21:07.19 | cryogen | (i know it's possible, just not how) |
| 21:07.57 | Cidan | hold |
| 21:08.00 | Cidan | checking |
| 21:08.41 | cog|work | cryogen: i'm fairly certain you can't because once you create the button you can't give it a position |
| 21:09.14 | cryogen | well autobar does it |
| 21:09.25 | Cidan | Yeah, that's what I was testing. |
| 21:09.26 | cryogen | it uses states though, which id reaaaaaaaaaaaaly rather avoid |
| 21:09.34 | cog|work | no, you have to use states |
| 21:09.42 | Cidan | You don't really have a choice |
| 21:10.03 | Cidan | otherwise I'd be able to code old-school RDX, :P |
| 21:10.16 | cryogen | thats the one think that i still havent got my head around is states |
| 21:10.19 | cryogen | s/think/thing/ |
| 21:11.08 | cog|work | yeah... being able to arbitrarily create new buttons is just as bad (though definitely less efficient) than being able to move/show/hide/otherwisemanipulateclickability existing buttons during combat |
| 21:11.55 | cryogen | i really dont get what exactly states are, and am yet to find a good text which explains it |
| 21:13.01 | Cidan | eh |
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| 21:13.21 | Cidan | you should really learn some sort of OO language then |
| 21:13.43 | cryogen | that's almost amusing. :p |
| 21:13.58 | Cidan | how so? |
| 21:14.28 | Industrial | does anyone know how to move the default castingbar? |
| 21:14.35 | Industrial | it was managed by blizz or something |
| 21:14.37 | cryogen | programming is what i do as a day job :p |
| 21:15.08 | Cidan | Then you should have no issue understanding states |
| 21:15.19 | JoshBorke | pretty sure states are defined in SecureActionButtonTemplate.lua or something like that |
| 21:15.21 | JoshBorke | ~framexml |
| 21:15.21 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 21:16.32 | cryogen | well i know what "states" are as in the computer science definition of them |
| 21:17.34 | cog|work | ~literal framexml |
| 21:17.34 | purl | "framexml" is "<reply> get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com/" |
| 21:18.25 | cog|work | purl no framexml is <reply> Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 21:18.26 | purl | okay, cog|work |
| 21:19.01 | cryogen | its the practical aspect i dont quite get.. yet, like how states allow me to dislay popup buttons |
| 21:19.51 | cog|work | cryogen: with a showstates attribute you tell it in which states the button should be visible |
| 21:19.53 | cryogen | although SecureStateHeader.lua is helping |
| 21:21.11 | cog|work | And actually in 2.2 there will be an even easier way with RegisterStateDriver(MyBadTargetFrame, "visibility", "[exists,harm] show; hide") |
| 21:22.33 | cryogen | i think i get it now, im just going to have to try it i guess |
| 21:23.00 | cryogen | so when i mouse over i trigger a state change |
| 21:23.09 | cog|work | yeah state headers have a pretty high barrier to entry but once you grok the fundamentals the rest becomes almost self-evident |
| 21:24.25 | cryogen | the xml of it will probably take me the longest to figure out :p |
| 21:24.57 | cog|work | Actually, you don't really need to do much with XML for state headers |
| 21:25.17 | cog|work | pretty much everything you need to know is attribute-oriented |
| 21:25.23 | cog|work | (not xml attributes) |
| 21:25.30 | cryogen | yeah |
| 21:25.36 | cryogen | addchildand that funky stuff |
| 21:26.00 | cog|work | addchild, statemap, statebutton, showstates, hidestates, newstate, and on and on |
| 21:26.02 | cryogen | surely it cant be as simple as making ym bar inherit the relavant template? |
| 21:26.09 | cog|work | yes, actually it is |
| 21:26.13 | cryogen | which one? |
| 21:26.20 | cog|work | what behavior do you want? |
| 21:26.38 | cryogen | a bar with buttons i can mouse over to make new buttons appear |
| 21:26.50 | cryogen | (if that answers your question) |
| 21:26.58 | cog|work | each of the mouseover buttons needs to be a SecureAnchorEnterTemplate |
| 21:27.07 | cog|work | (as well as whatever else you've already inherited) |
| 21:27.31 | cog|work | You would then make the rest of the buttons children of it |
| 21:27.38 | cryogen | makese sense |
| 21:27.54 | cog|work | i've never used that particular template myself so i don't have any details for you... |
| 21:27.59 | cryogen | how about the bar itself? |
| 21:28.41 | cog|work | Unless you want some behavior that applies to all your buttons at once, (perhaps hiding the whole thing while out of combat) it probably doesn't need to be a secure template |
| 21:29.57 | cryogen | then I am a little confused |
| 21:30.18 | cryogen | where do states come in? does it come for free in the secureactionbutton template? and/or the secureanchorentertemplate? |
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| 21:31.38 | cryogen | so you have state 0 of button 0 which is one button showing, and state 1 of button 0 which is the base button and all of the popup buttons, and the same for every other main button? |
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| 21:34.00 | foxlit|mac | grr. |
| 21:37.09 | GofG | RAWR I HATE YOU STUPID BLUEWALLING NON-RP HORDES ON AN RP SERVER. |
| 21:38.46 | zenzelezz | I already dislike Vashj |
| 21:39.10 | foxlit|mac | Vashj is the most awesome fight ever conceived |
| 21:39.16 | foxlit|mac | second only to C'Thun |
| 21:39.29 | foxlit|mac | and maybe the last pair of bosses in Naxx |
| 21:39.37 | foxlit|mac | and maybe all of Hyjal/BT! |
| 21:40.43 | zenzelezz | I'm a tank, I don't like fights I don't feel in control of. And with all those spawns, I am not in control |
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| 21:41.05 | Kaydeethree | C'Thun > all |
| 21:41.16 | bleeter | bollocks |
| 21:41.19 | bleeter | Cows > all |
| 21:41.26 | bleeter | n u know it |
| 21:41.35 | Kaydeethree | this isn't D2 |
| 21:41.41 | foxlit|mac | You don't actually have to tank that much stuff on Vashj |
| 21:41.55 | bleeter | sure it ain't D2... but the *flashbacks man*! |
| 21:42.03 | foxlit|mac | There's only the occasional your-melee-dps-is-slacking double naga |
| 21:43.12 | zenzelezz | foxlit|mac: that's the problem... tanking is what I do, and with so little tanking I feel like a fifth wheel :-p |
| 21:43.21 | foxlit|mac | Yeah |
| 21:43.25 | foxlit|mac | You could be replaced by a paladin |
| 21:43.38 | foxlit|mac | A paladin! |
| 21:44.41 | zenzelezz | Karathress down fifth time today... stats so far: 4 tank necks, 7/10 CHampion legs, 0/10 Defender legs |
| 21:44.43 | foxlit|mac | Tank-centric encounters generally suck for everyone but the tank |
| 21:44.51 | foxlit|mac | Vashj is not a tank centric encounter. : |
| 21:44.55 | foxlit|mac | Celebrate :) |
| 21:47.05 | foxlit|mac | apparently I had to move the lua sources into a specific directory under the luasocket sources for it to compile |
| 21:48.55 | Industrial | mikma: I solved it like this: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/684d3e2cffafbd236e6026b156725f25.PNG |
| 21:50.02 | Industrial | mikma: and yes the partial api keyword coloring is kinda icky - but im too lazy to fix it :P |
| 21:50.03 | foxlit|mac | Isn't there some form of friendly api that you can use to hijack the casting bar? |
| 21:51.09 | Kaydeethree | new PTR build: 7250. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ |
| 21:52.35 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: matter of curiosity, have you tried the new pulse audio foo at all? it's gunna be in F8, was just wondering (as F8T2 came out... last night, or at least recently) |
| 21:53.04 | Kaydeethree | no. but I've been hearing that PA's pulling a move from the ESD/arts days and seizing complete control of the audio device |
| 21:53.15 | cog|work | nothing makes you more aware of the presence of the grape harvest than the smell of rotting pumice... |
| 21:54.00 | cog|work | well, perhaps the traffic reports two days in a row of motorcycle accidents caused by spilt grapes, but still... blech |
| 21:54.27 | foxlit|mac | protected-in-combat functions just fail silently, yeah? |
| 21:54.41 | foxlit|mac | as opposed to protected-always functions, which whine in some visible fashion? |
| 21:55.09 | cog|work | i guess that's a good way to describe it |
| 21:55.40 | cog|work | i'm pretty sure only frame methods fail silently... are there any protected-in-combat api functions? |
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| 21:56.29 | foxlit|mac | PickUpInventoryItem? |
| 21:57.03 | cog|work | that'll give a "you can't swap gear in combat error" or something won't it? |
| 21:57.13 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: indeed, but at least it'll be platform independant (unlike est/arts) |
| 21:57.30 | foxlit|mac | PickUpContainerItem was what I meant :) |
| 21:57.35 | bleeter | *s/est/esd/ |
| 21:57.41 | cog|work | you can use that in combat |
| 21:57.53 | cog|work | that's how gear swapping addons work |
| 21:57.55 | foxlit|mac | SwapSubgroup? |
| 21:58.10 | cog|work | is that ever not protected? |
| 21:58.15 | foxlit|mac | Yeah |
| 21:58.27 | foxlit|mac | That's how my shuffle-players-in-pvp addon works |
| 21:58.50 | foxlit|mac | *worked, I'm being told there are some issues with name resolution |
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| 22:05.56 | devbin | hello hello |
| 22:06.06 | cog|work | hihi |
| 22:06.09 | devbin | I'm trying to learn the world of wow modding, I wonder if somebody can suggest a very basic mod that I could study to learn the way |
| 22:06.21 | Cidan | Well |
| 22:06.28 | Cidan | I guess the first question is |
| 22:06.31 | Kaydeethree | I'd suggest the demos in the Addon Extraction kit |
| 22:06.39 | Cidan | Are you a programmer? |
| 22:06.55 | devbin | you could say that |
| 22:06.57 | cog|work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ <--- use the UI extractor and take a look at the tutorials it extracts for you |
| 22:07.08 | Cidan | Could say that? |
| 22:07.29 | devbin | Im not a master by any means, but I do have a few hundred hours of js,vb, and c |
| 22:07.36 | cog|work | if you have programming experience you should head on over to http://www.lua.org/pil/ and familiarize yourself with the Lua language |
| 22:07.40 | Cidan | ~pil |
| 22:07.41 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:07.42 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:07.52 | foxlit|mac | shameless self-promotion: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/7774/ |
| 22:08.10 | foxlit|mac | Coding style is horrible and comments are lacking, but you should be able to deconstruct it! |
| 22:08.17 | Cidan | lulz? |
| 22:08.45 | foxlit|mac | Yeah. |
| 22:08.50 | devbin | I think I could figure out lua |
| 22:08.58 | foxlit|mac | I, er, started by reading DamageMeters code. |
| 22:08.59 | devbin | its the xml part that throws me off |
| 22:09.08 | cog|work | devbin: you don't need XML per se |
| 22:09.10 | foxlit|mac | XML is your friend <3 |
| 22:09.13 | devbin | ok, I'll have a look |
| 22:09.25 | cog|work | but imo understanding it helps you understand the structure of the UI system |
| 22:09.29 | Cidan | you don't HAVE to use XML |
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| 22:09.53 | Cidan | but I suggest you try both with and without XML and figure out which works best for you and your addon. :P |
| 22:09.56 | cog|work | But definitely familiarize yourself with Lua a bit first |
| 22:10.00 | devbin | I underwtand the theory of xml |
| 22:10.29 | Cidan | Actually that's bullshit, I suggest you stay away from XML at all costs, but if I don't type that loaded statement I just did, I get lynched by the people in this channel |
| 22:10.40 | Cidan | So, have it either way. :D |
| 22:10.54 | cog|work | :) |
| 22:11.34 | devbin | haha, ok t anks |
| 22:12.03 | cog|work | devbin: if you get disillusioned with the whole thing, come back early next year... there's a book in the works :) |
| 22:12.24 | foxlit|mac | Books are odd things |
| 22:12.27 | devbin | a book on? |
| 22:12.33 | cog|work | addon programming |
| 22:12.35 | devbin | lua? xml ? or wow modding? |
| 22:12.37 | devbin | oh ok |
| 22:12.37 | Cidan | Psh, if you get disillusioned with the whole thing, work harder and quit being an idiot. :D |
| 22:12.51 | cog|work | ~lart Shirik |
| 22:12.51 | purl | overclocks Shirik until Shirik burns out |
| 22:13.02 | cog|work | wow... freudian slip |
| 22:13.05 | Cidan | Cidan != Shirik |
| 22:13.06 | Cidan | hahaha |
| 22:13.06 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:13.18 | cog|work | meh... he probably deserved it |
| 22:13.20 | foxlit|mac | Cidan is a lua-bot run by Shirik! :P |
| 22:13.31 | Cidan | Yeah, I'm not a real person. |
| 22:13.41 | cog|work | devbin: we're always here to help you if you get stuck so don't hesitate to ask stupid questions :) |
| 22:14.08 | Cidan | Yar, all that aside we do help people in need. |
| 22:14.58 | Industrial | ha-ha, it's a tem! |
| 22:15.08 | Tem | what huh |
| 22:15.25 | Industrial | nothing :> |
| 22:15.43 | cryogen | hmmm |
| 22:15.47 | Cidan | Tem: did you read about that kid that was V&? |
| 22:16.04 | Cidan | like, on the morning of Sept 11th. |
| 22:16.07 | Tem | nope |
| 22:16.16 | Tem | haven't been /there/ in like a week |
| 22:16.50 | Cidan | Posted a picture of a "pipe bomb" on ebaums and a note saying he was going to blow up his highschool and go shooting. |
| 22:16.59 | Cidan | EXIF data was in the picture though, had his dad's name. |
| 22:17.10 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 22:17.11 | Kaydeethree | oops |
| 22:17.25 | Cidan | FBI got to him in the morning |
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| 22:18.16 | Tem | Cidan, lol |
| 22:18.33 | Tem | so, I guess that tells us for sure they're watching |
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| 22:19.57 | Cidan | naw |
| 22:20.14 | Cidan | it's the /they/tards that reported him |
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| 22:20.46 | Thunder_Child | hardly a tard for reporting him |
| 22:20.48 | foxlit|mac | Hm |
| 22:20.59 | Thunder_Child | i'd say that was a good thing |
| 22:21.03 | foxlit|mac | CNN seems to think that when I type something in their searchbox, I want them to show me google results |
| 22:21.36 | foxlit|mac | Silly people, if I wanted to search the web, I wouldn't visit _your_ website in the first place |
| 22:22.31 | Thunder_Child | damit giz is reporting on nextfest stuff |
| 22:23.18 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to see it before i go |
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| 22:32.04 | foxlit|mac | Quick widget api syntax question: change a button's normaltext's font size with...? :) |
| 22:32.45 | foxlit|mac | [don't look it up, I can do that myself] |
| 22:33.11 | zenzelezz | with sheer force of will! |
| 22:34.27 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: heh, new PTR patch ain't throwing a wobbly like the last one was for us :) |
| 22:34.48 | foxlit|mac | :GetFont()/:SetFont() was the correct answer |
| 22:34.53 | Kaydeethree | meh. I haven't been having issues with any patches of late |
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| 22:41.20 | Industrial | with enhancement shaman (now level 17) |
| 22:41.31 | Industrial | do I want flurry with a 2handed weapon? |
| 22:42.51 | [dRaCo] | sure, but make sure to get 2 weapons asap |
| 22:43.08 | bleeter | heh, I just noticed that PTR reverb's now working for me :) |
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| 22:46.39 | Industrial | asap? ha im level 17. |
| 22:47.19 | [dRaCo] | yeah, well... |
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| 22:47.46 | [dRaCo] | but why wouldnt you take a straight 30% white damage increase? ;) |
| 22:51.27 | Industrial | er, I don't know :S |
| 22:51.32 | Cidan | oh shi- |
| 22:51.36 | Cidan | Fortress Forever released! |
| 22:51.40 | Industrial | OMG |
| 22:51.44 | Industrial | OOOOOH MYYY GOD |
| 22:51.51 | Cidan | sweet god! |
| 22:51.56 | Cidan | so have I |
| 22:51.59 | Cidan | I STILL play TFC |
| 22:52.00 | Industrial | ! |
| 22:52.12 | Industrial | I stopped a few months ago :P got bored of skillmaps |
| 22:52.19 | foxlit|mac | tft? |
| 22:52.33 | foxlit|mac | c doesn't parse :( |
| 22:52.39 | Industrial | wtb torrent link |
| 22:52.44 | Industrial | </3 fileplanet |
| 22:52.47 | Cidan | dunno, getting it off fileplanet |
| 22:52.48 | Industrial | (always something to bitch at) |
| 22:52.50 | Cidan | lulz |
| 22:53.07 | Cidan | www.fortress-forever.com |
| 22:53.08 | Industrial | meh I don't have Hl2 |
| 22:53.10 | Shirik | 14(1811:1211:0114) 14(11158foxlit|mac14) Cidan is a lua-bot run by Shirik! :P |
| 22:53.15 | Shirik | my coding skills are awesome, no? |
| 22:53.22 | Shirik | He passes the turing test quite well |
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| 22:53.47 | foxlit|mac | Cidan, are you a bot? |
| 22:53.48 | Cidan | Yes, Shirik is a gud mayster. i kan speel seeeeeewww welllll! |
| 22:53.56 | Cidan | foxlit|mac, Yes. |
| 22:54.01 | foxlit|mac | I'd say that's a fail! |
| 22:54.03 | amro|laptop | slow response time |
| 22:54.11 | Shirik | Yeah well, what can I say |
| 22:54.17 | Shirik | I wasn't able to code him with much intelligence |
| 22:54.28 | Industrial | Cidan: http://www.fortress-forever.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10577 |
| 22:54.36 | Cidan | Sorry, much lag |
| 22:54.36 | Cidan | There is a huge rain storm |
| 22:54.36 | Cidan | If all my messages come in at once, I'm very sorry. |
| 22:55.01 | foxlit|mac | zomg huge irc trafic! |
| 22:55.03 | Cidan | I kid, I kid. |
| 22:55.05 | Cidan | Anyways |
| 22:55.12 | Cidan | Industrial, I have a FP account |
| 22:55.14 | Cidan | actually |
| 22:55.17 | Cidan | now that I think about it |
| 22:55.22 | Cidan | I haven't been billed in months |
| 22:55.23 | Cidan | huh. |
| 22:55.58 | devbin | where does one acquire the addon extraction kit? |
| 22:56.12 | Kaydeethree | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 22:56.15 | Industrial | rofl Cidan the client torrent has no seeds |
| 22:56.21 | Cidan | ewps |
| 22:56.30 | Cidan | 10 min left |
| 22:56.36 | Industrial | oh now it does :3 9 |
| 22:57.00 | Cidan | Oh god I hope this doesn't suck |
| 22:57.03 | Cidan | Please let this not suck |
| 22:57.13 | Cidan | a remake of TFC using Source, please don't let it suck. |
| 22:57.17 | Cidan | please please please |
| 22:57.29 | Industrial | it owns |
| 22:57.32 | Industrial | I know it |
| 22:57.40 | Industrial | been following it since the start |
| 22:58.11 | Industrial | They made it for clan play, basically - bunnyhopping and everything |
| 22:58.39 | Cidan | it may not suck then |
| 22:58.44 | Cidan | I mean, not that TF2 will suck |
| 22:58.50 | Cidan | I'm looking forward to that too |
| 22:59.02 | Cidan | though I refuse to "pre-purchase" anything ever again |
| 22:59.12 | Industrial | I don't have Hl2, so ill be in shock in a few hours that I can't play - or I can play, don't know. |
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| 22:59.29 | Cidan | You never played HL2? |
| 22:59.37 | Industrial | I did, just without steam |
| 22:59.40 | Industrial | *cough* |
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| 22:59.43 | Cidan | heh |
| 22:59.47 | Cidan | It's worth it, :P |
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| 23:02.37 | foxlit|mac | does lua implement a bitwise xor somewhere? |
| 23:03.33 | foxlit|mac | (not including bitlib) |
| 23:04.29 | Kaydeethree | ooh, they redid the Blasted Lands on the world map |
| 23:06.36 | Cidan | I don't... think so |
| 23:06.46 | Cidan | 1 minute 'til the download is done! |
| 23:07.18 | Kaydeethree | bunch of files are showing up in the "WoW-0.2.0.7229-to-0.2.0.7250-enUS-patch.exe" patch |
| 23:07.43 | Cidan | I think patch will be following tuesday |
| 23:07.51 | Cidan | not the 18th (my birthday!) |
| 23:07.54 | Cidan | but the next one |
| 23:10.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm betting the 25th because like 90 other things are happening then |
| 23:10.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe the first tues in october |
| 23:11.07 | Cidan | brb |
| 23:11.11 | Cidan | fortress forever |
| 23:11.12 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:11.18 | Industrial | asf |
| 23:11.19 | Industrial | sdhgdfg |
| 23:12.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i may get FF |
| 23:12.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'll definitely put it down when tf2 unlocks |
| 23:12.30 | Industrial | whaaaaat? |
| 23:12.41 | Industrial | have you ever played tfc in clan play? |
| 23:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, not at all |
| 23:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played it a bit though |
| 23:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | did some of the trick maps mostly |
| 23:13.02 | Cidan | You are nuts |
| 23:13.03 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:13.06 | Industrial | ^ |
| 23:13.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | Fortress forever looks absolutely awful |
| 23:13.27 | Industrial | compared to tf2? |
| 23:13.37 | Industrial | tf2 looks awful, lol. |
| 23:13.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, tf2 looks like a well balanced, fun game |
| 23:14.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | FF looks like what happens when a elitist closed in community gets in its head what they think makes a good game |
| 23:14.04 | Industrial | ouch :> the main concern in ff was class balance |
| 23:14.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, like making the scout useless because medics can move just as fast |
| 23:14.38 | Industrial | no they can't |
| 23:14.43 | Industrial | scout hops faster |
| 23:15.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | who needs to hop when you can exploit every movement bug in the history of video games |
| 23:15.13 | Industrial | its a feature now, btw |
| 23:15.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | rocket jumping, double jumping, skiing, bunny hopping, conc jumping |
| 23:15.26 | Kaydeethree | rocket jumping! |
| 23:15.36 | Industrial | that's what fun about tfc, and what made it possible to play it competitively |
| 23:15.47 | Industrial | else its just 6v6 soldiers |
| 23:15.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was pretty much no reason to take a scout |
| 23:16.02 | Industrial | in tfc? |
| 23:16.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | medics were pretty much better in every possible way |
| 23:16.10 | Industrial | ill show you scout in tfc ;D |
| 23:16.27 | Industrial | nah man :> you haven't met a good scout then. Very hard to hit |
| 23:17.19 | Industrial | meh I guess that's the difference between pub/clan play |
| 23:17.39 | Industrial | I agree that tf2 is funny, but I wouldn't want to play it competitively |
| 23:18.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it seems to be much more well balanced |
| 23:18.07 | Industrial | if you can't hop it means the defending soldier's aim wil overpower your movement, so you need to kill him first. |
| 23:18.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the gentleman's rules are the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard in the history of elitist communities |
| 23:18.32 | Industrial | you can't do that easily in a .. fortress :P |
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| 23:18.50 | Industrial | you mean backtracking? not shooting the opponent's offense? |
| 23:18.57 | Industrial | *shrug* that's like chivalry. |
| 23:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | chivalry is dead |
| 23:19.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | thank god |
| 23:19.29 | Industrial | id rather be released alive then get tortured to death when captured :p |
| 23:19.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | you only get released alive if you tell them what you want to tell them :o |
| 23:19.57 | alestane | Kaydeethree: I might add that adding [] to the end of your macro will also want a exists added to the clasue you had before, i.e. [target=mouseover] should now be [target=mouseover,exists][] |
| 23:20.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then you're killed by your country |
| 23:20.03 | alestane | clause* |
| 23:20.10 | Industrial | ha |
| 23:20.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 23:20.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you only get released alive if you tell them what they want you to tell them :o |
| 23:20.45 | Industrial | well anyway im a hardcore player - so well probably continue disagreeing :P |
| 23:21.04 | Industrial | Cidan: I got to uktfcl div2 at one point |
| 23:21.15 | Industrial | in 03 or so |
| 23:21.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was a hardcore tribes player |
| 23:21.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so |
| 23:21.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know when communities of elitist assholes love to ruin a good game :o |
| 23:21.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they think they know what makes a good one :/ |
| 23:22.02 | Industrial | well they made ff themselves :P |
| 23:22.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not saying you are, but the vast majority of tf/tfc players are jerks |
| 23:22.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | TF2 is made by the same people that made TF and TFC :x |
| 23:22.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | they work for valve now |
| 23:22.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | have since tfc |
| 23:22.39 | Industrial | I doubt the TF developers are making TF2 |
| 23:23.15 | Industrial | or valve is deciding for them what's fun ;) |
| 23:23.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | every time i see a TF2 gameplay video i want it more |
| 23:24.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | every time i see a FF video i want to uninstall it and i haven't even installed it :x |
| 23:24.02 | Industrial | I really dislike cartoony graphics |
| 23:24.05 | Industrial | (in wow too) |
| 23:24.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't |
| 23:24.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love em |
| 23:24.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying for uber realism is for the birds |
| 23:24.37 | Industrial | I like it in mmorpg, because its escaping in another world |
| 23:24.56 | Industrial | I'd like that world to be more like the fantasy books I read - not wacky toons :P |
| 23:25.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | warcraft's never been standard issue fantasy |
| 23:25.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's always been cartoony and i love it for that |
| 23:25.42 | Industrial | ywah |
| 23:25.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | cookie cutter fantasy is lame |
| 23:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | warhammer fantasy is made of fail |
| 23:25.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | warhammer 40k, however, is awesome |
| 23:26.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's cartoony and fantastic |
| 23:26.12 | Industrial | wow is a good game, technically. |
| 23:26.21 | Industrial | gameplay is unrivaled, that's why I play it |
| 23:26.26 | Industrial | and the interface ofc |
| 23:26.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am looking forward to trying out age of conan though, despite it trying to be realistic |
| 23:27.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because the combat system seems interesting |
| 23:27.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played a bit of it at dragoncon and couldn't quite get it, but it looked fun |
| 23:27.26 | Industrial | hm, haven't seen/read about it |
| 23:27.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's low fantasy |
| 23:28.14 | Cidan | Industrial, I have two gripes |
| 23:28.23 | Cidan | First, no gun/head bob when you run. |
| 23:28.39 | devbin | how do I get this hello world thing to pop up |
| 23:28.40 | Industrial | I always turn that off :P |
| 23:28.44 | Cidan | Second, no HDR on a lot of the maps |
| 23:28.55 | Cidan | The maps look like they were developed pre-HDR |
| 23:29.01 | Cidan | but, it's still fun |
| 23:29.04 | Cidan | ff_hunted |
| 23:29.06 | Cidan | was lol. |
| 23:29.18 | Industrial | cl_bob "0" :P |
| 23:29.38 | Industrial | ETA 48min |
| 23:29.39 | alestane | HDR=? |
| 23:30.24 | Cidan | High Dynamic Range (Lighting) |
| 23:32.24 | Cidan | overall though, I like it |
| 23:32.34 | Cidan | it doesn't "feel" like TFC, likely because it's not as polished |
| 23:32.38 | Cidan | but it's still very nice |
| 23:33.04 | Thunder_Child | i never could get into TFC |
| 23:33.13 | Cidan | <3 TFC |
| 23:33.17 | Thunder_Child | didnt like the class pidgenholeing |
| 23:33.29 | Cidan | Engy FTW |
| 23:33.29 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:34.36 | Industrial | scout :> |
| 23:35.11 | [dRaCo] | demo *flame on* |
| 23:35.40 | Cidan | Engy and demo ftw |
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| 23:35.44 | Cidan | by far |
| 23:36.02 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: pyro :P |
| 23:36.06 | Industrial | demo is fun too |
| 23:36.31 | [dRaCo] | too bad a good scout owns your ass, but yeah. :) |
| 23:36.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | pyro's absolutely worthless in competitive play :[ |
| 23:36.45 | Cidan | Never ever found a scout that could kill me |
| 23:36.48 | alestane | Strange, I just got detoured into accessing the forums by IP. |
| 23:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | so's the sniper |
| 23:36.51 | Cidan | It should be known, I'm god-like at the game. |
| 23:36.53 | [dRaCo] | having the biggest gun available is a big plus. |
| 23:36.58 | Industrial | Cidan: id ratehr take your flag |
| 23:37.07 | Cidan | You'll never be able to. |
| 23:37.10 | Cidan | Ever. |
| 23:37.16 | Industrial | well see :D |
| 23:37.23 | Cidan | You don't quite understand the level of play I am on with TFC. |
| 23:37.32 | Industrial | like I said I used to be div2 in the uktfcl league :> |
| 23:37.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't aim worth a shit |
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| 23:37.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can do most of the movement tricks |
| 23:37.56 | Industrial | heh, me neither |
| 23:37.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is the reason i play a scout |
| 23:38.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | same in tribes |
| 23:38.01 | Industrial | but I play scout so I don't shoot |
| 23:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't aim worth a shit |
| 23:38.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i always go Light Offense loadout/role |
| 23:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is analogous to the scout |
| 23:38.28 | Saint-N | thats what she said |
| 23:38.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | tribes is really hard to hit anything with though |
| 23:39.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | leading the discs is difficult when the enemy moves at 200-500 mph and your discs probably move at about 100 |
| 23:39.24 | devbin | when I do the hello world tutorial, with no other mods turned on, it still doesnt do anything. |
| 23:39.47 | Corrodias | LOAD GAME |
| 23:39.58 | devbin | the game is loaded |
| 23:40.11 | Industrial | does anyone know a fantasy related irc channel? |
| 23:40.27 | Cidan | Wow Industrial |
| 23:40.31 | Industrial | any network is fine, as long as it has people |
| 23:40.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:40.46 | Cidan | You have just reached a level of retardation few ever reach. |
| 23:40.53 | devbin | the only addon box that is checked is "HelloWorld" |
| 23:41.01 | Saint-N | cidan knows the signs, he's just recovering now |
| 23:41.03 | Industrial | yes, ha-ha, this channel. |
| 23:41.14 | Industrial | but its specifically for one mmorpg interface community. |
| 23:41.29 | Corrodias | well |
| 23:41.46 | Industrial | well? |
| 23:41.48 | Saint-N | industrial if you like info overflow and nerd talk galore go to #oldwarez on efnet |
| 23:41.49 | Corrodias | there's #terran on irc.neverwinterconnections.org, which is the channel for a particular mod of NWN |
| 23:42.21 | Saint-N | nerd talk == star wars/trek sci fi fantasy computers programming etc etc etc |
| 23:43.00 | Industrial | good. |
| 23:43.28 | Saint-N | they've got a spammy headlines info bot rss feeder thingy too ;) |
| 23:51.38 | Corrodias | so i almost had modified Aspectshiftingbar fully working in bartender. almost. scowl. |
| 23:54.00 | Corrodias | it's functioning, but the tricky part is getting Bartender to apply the DreamLayout skin to the bar after reassigning the ShapeshiftButtons |
| 23:54.34 | Saint-N | should be able to just "update skin" no? |
| 23:55.40 | devbin | I hate being this guy... |
| 23:55.48 | devbin | the pest |
| 23:55.57 | Corrodias | tried, but it doesn't have any effect |
| 23:56.06 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: if you drop by http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/wget/ grab 1.9, take a look at http.c between lines 2192 and 2198, you'll see why the last modified header that the wowi site is spitting out from it's download page is failing to be recognised by wget ;) |
| 23:56.32 | Corrodias | so here's the deal. aspectshiftingbar makes its own buttons and presumably puts them on the shapeshiftbar. but bartender grabs the shapeshift buttons to put on its stance bar. |
| 23:57.20 | Corrodias | with that setup, you see the aspects on the bar with the right icons, but clicking them doesn't do anything because all clicking a shapeshiftbutton does is execute a function to shift into form (integer), of which hunters have none anyway |
| 23:57.44 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: eg, a recognised header->'Tue, 22 May 2007 16:47:00 GMT', wowi's 'invalid' header->'June 06 2007 07:54:35.' (the period stuck out lots to me first, so I went looking and it's also in an unrecodnised format) |
| 23:57.52 | Corrodias | if i reassign that variable with ShapeshiftButton1 = AspectshiftingButton1 and such, they show up on the bar and they work properly, but don't have the dreamlayout style applied |
| 23:58.34 | Corrodias | i think i may know why |
| 23:58.41 | Corrodias | but i'm in combat right now |
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