| 00:00.16 | Neebler | hmmm that beowulf trailer looks half CGI |
| 00:09.12 | Wobin_ | Quote from: Drysc (Source) |
| 00:09.12 | Wobin_ | The plan is for a percentage of the +heal stat on items with pure +heal to be added as +spell damage, for no extra cost. Further details and exceptions will be discussed at a later time. |
| 00:09.23 | Wobin_ | oh yey, more competitiion for healing gear =P |
| 00:27.21 | Rallion_ | Lunessa, I'm pretty sure the action isn't too slow, it's motion-captured |
| 00:27.43 | Rallion_ | COme to think of it, the movement in A Scanner Darkly seemed slow, too |
| 00:27.47 | Lunessa | Rallion - watch the faces, the way torsos move.... it |
| 00:27.52 | Rallion_ | I think it's more of a problem with our brains. |
| 00:27.59 | Lunessa | it comes off as not the same pace as a person. |
| 00:28.14 | Rallion_ | But that doesn't mean it actually isn't the same pace :P |
| 00:29.36 | Rallion_ | It's going to have 3D showings at release time, apparently |
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| 00:32.01 | Lunessa | It's probably an It's probably a cause of Uncanny Valley - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley |
| 00:33.52 | Rallion_ | most likely |
| 00:36.59 | Rallion_ | Zemeckis wrote a screenplay based on A Christmas Carol and Jim Carrey has agreed to play Scrooge and the three ghosts. |
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| 00:37.52 | Lunessa | ... I'll miss that one. |
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| 00:38.06 | Kaydeethree | woo, my first @kd3 post on the PTR forums in a while |
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| 00:39.29 | Kaydeethree | connection problems, tem? There's 3 of you |
| 00:39.36 | Tem|Class | yeah, I know |
| 00:39.46 | Tem|Class | I'm trying to make my home client connect with an unregistered nick |
| 00:43.30 | |Jelly| | What's the word on Zul'Aman? |
| 00:43.34 | |Jelly| | or whatever? |
| 00:43.52 | Kaydeethree | 2.3 |
| 00:45.25 | |Jelly| | Thanks. |
| 00:45.40 | Rallion | I definitely give a big thumbs down to the use of the song Iron Man in the Iron Man trailer. Come on. Nobody on this planet thought, "Oh, that was clever." |
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| 00:46.47 | Lunessa | lol |
| 00:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, lol @ the PTR "Kaydethree" thread |
| 00:50.25 | Kaydeethree | I botched the reference, but it works |
| 00:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 01:19.47 | Kaydeethree | and down go the forums |
| 01:19.48 | Kaydeethree | bah |
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| 01:21.39 | JoshBorke | hi cog |
| 01:25.05 | cogwheel | 'ello |
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| 01:26.29 | zenzelezz | not sleeping one night can seem like such a good idea... until about 03:30 |
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| 01:28.00 | alestane | Is an OnAttributeChanged handler called before or after the attribute actually changes, that is, during the body of the handler, will self:GetAttribute('name') == value? |
| 01:28.18 | cogwheel | should be after iirc |
| 01:28.54 | alestane | And is there a point in the load order before which CVars are not loaded? |
| 01:29.12 | alestane | I keep getting "could not fivd CVar "autoSelfCast" responses. |
| 01:29.38 | Shirik | I have no problem with it |
| 01:29.43 | Shirik | are you sure you spelled it correctly? |
| 01:29.48 | cogwheel | not that i know of... i had an addon that checked CVars immediately on load for testing purposes |
| 01:29.56 | Shirik | and it's possible |
| 01:30.14 | Shirik | I never checked the code but it's very possible the Blizzard code registers autoSelfCast somewhere in Lua |
| 01:30.16 | alestane | After the load finishes and I dismiss the error box, I can type /dump GetCVar"autoSelfCast" and get "1" |
| 01:30.57 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 01:30.58 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 01:30.58 | zenzelezz | does the game issue CVAR_CHANGED or whatever it is while loading, or only afterwards? |
| 01:31.01 | Tem | Anyone ever used Linked in? |
| 01:31.38 | JoshBorke | tem: i have |
| 01:31.42 | JoshBorke | tem: kaelten has |
| 01:31.59 | Shirik | hey wow! |
| 01:32.05 | Shirik | The AddonKit has a UAC manifest! |
| 01:32.06 | alestane | Well, if I understand the description of CVAR_UPDATE correctly, it won't fire unless SetCVar is called witha third argument. |
| 01:32.09 | Shirik | Blizzard's learning :D |
| 01:32.27 | JoshBorke | what is a UAC manifest? |
| 01:32.32 | alestane | What does that mean for Vista users? |
| 01:32.50 | Shirik | unfortunately, I get " World of Warcraft could not be found. Please make sure the game is properly installed." |
| 01:33.03 | Shirik | because I never installed it :( anyone know what registry key I need to add? |
| 01:33.08 | zenzelezz | alestane: what do you do to get the error? |
| 01:33.33 | alestane | The error appears on load, in response to one of my addons. |
| 01:33.35 | Shirik | A UAC manifest is some extra code tacked onto an executable file that tells Vista a few things. Firstly, it tells Vista that the program is UAC-aware |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | That means Vista knows it shouldn't try to lie and virtualize access to anything |
| 01:33.49 | zenzelezz | I know, but what are you doing that provokes it? Just a GetCVar? |
| 01:33.49 | JoshBorke | what is UAC? |
| 01:33.56 | zenzelezz | it's stupid, that's what it is |
| 01:34.18 | Shirik | It also tells Vista exactly what permissions are needed (I think in this case it's using highestAvailable, which requests UAC elevation) |
| 01:34.20 | alestane | Actually I think it's a SetCVar, because I never actually call GetCVar in this addon. |
| 01:34.34 | Shirik | JoshBorke: User Account Control. It's basically a way to limit access to programs as if you weren't an administrator |
| 01:34.40 | Shirik | Even though you're on an administrator account |
| 01:34.52 | zenzelezz | it's a way to make sure things don't work like they ought to |
| 01:34.52 | JoshBorke | oh, ok |
| 01:34.53 | alestane | zenzelezz: it comes up in this handler: http://wowi.pastey.net/73737 |
| 01:35.12 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz sounds somewhat upset about it shirik |
| 01:35.35 | Shirik | Some people are |
| 01:35.42 | Shirik | but in fact it is such a secure way to do these things |
| 01:35.47 | Shirik | I can't even take a screenshot of it to show you |
| 01:35.56 | JoshBorke | whatever |
| 01:35.57 | Shirik | since the system goes into a lockdown state when the UAC box pops up |
| 01:36.20 | alestane | Well, I had a couple cps errors in variable names that might have provoked it. |
| 01:36.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:36.58 | Shirik | HealThyself |
| 01:37.13 | alestane | My first addon...I'm rewriting it. |
| 01:37.21 | Shirik | I like the name :) |
| 01:37.32 | zenzelezz | if MS keeps dragging Windows in the same direction they did Vista then XP is the last version I'll ever use |
| 01:37.40 | alestane | I was annoyed that Auto-self-cast was an account-wide setting. |
| 01:37.52 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I'm not sure why that's a bad idea |
| 01:38.02 | Shirik | I have long since wanted to drop Windows, but unfortunately I can't |
| 01:38.13 | alestane | Then I realized it would be cool if self-cast could be on while soloing but off while grouping. |
| 01:38.14 | Shirik | I can much more easily develop Win32 (and now Win64) applications on a Windows system |
| 01:38.28 | zenzelezz | I've had no real issue with Windows until Vista |
| 01:38.42 | Shirik | what don't you like about it? |
| 01:39.03 | zenzelezz | they took out all the promising improvements and left a Mac-wannabe GUI and all manners of access limitations and DRM |
| 01:39.12 | zenzelezz | it has nothing I want that my XP can't do |
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| 01:39.26 | Shirik | this, however, is true |
| 01:39.30 | Shirik | I had no reason to upgrade, too |
| 01:39.46 | Shirik | except the fact that my motherboard supplier no longer supported XP SP 1 so I had no way to install XP anymore |
| 01:40.09 | Shirik | Vista natively supports RAID out of the box so there's no drivers to install during setup |
| 01:40.57 | Shirik | tbph I could have slipstreamed SP2 into my SP1 CD but I really didn't feell like it |
| 01:42.41 | alestane | "to be perfectly honest"? |
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| 01:43.54 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:45.11 | alestane | I have two problems with Vista (one already discussed today): 1) Transparent windows get turned off immediately after the first boot, and; 2) I feel like it's treating me like an 8-year old. |
| 01:45.45 | Shirik | wowow |
| 01:45.48 | Shirik | <3 clad|book |
| 01:45.55 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 01:46.04 | alestane | Other than the frosted glass effect I think the GUI is pretty clean and functional, although most things are not where you expect them to be from previous versions of Windows. |
| 01:46.10 | Shirik | GCTweak handled something I just accidentally threw at it so well |
| 01:46.12 | Shirik | it was awesome |
| 01:46.16 | JoshBorke | oh |
| 01:46.43 | JoshBorke | i wonder what became of his test |
| 01:47.21 | Arrowmaster | i have a completely different problem with vista, i like to be in control of my computer and not have my operating system tell me what im allowed to do or not |
| 01:47.54 | Shirik | you can always disable UAC |
| 01:48.02 | Arrowmaster | not talking about that |
| 01:48.02 | Shirik | but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 01:48.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:48.38 | Arrowmaster | talking about the shit where it downgrades HD video if your not using an hdmi or other secure connection to your monitor and other stuff |
| 01:51.06 | Shirik | huh |
| 01:51.08 | Shirik | didn't know that |
| 01:51.14 | Shirik | but don't use any of that stuff so |
| 01:51.52 | alestane | Does PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED fire on load even if you're not in a group? |
| 01:52.59 | Shirik | I do not see it reported by devtools |
| 01:54.34 | alestane | What's the /command for DevTool's event tracker? |
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| 01:55.10 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.13 | alestane | Actually looks like addons do load before CVars these days, at least some CVars. |
| 01:57.50 | alestane | But I've managed to beat the CVar not found error. |
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| 01:58.35 | alestane | Interesting, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED fires once when you invite them and then again when they accept. |
| 02:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to poke ckknight or whoever is doing the aura module of pitbull :X |
| 02:06.42 | ckknight | how come? |
| 02:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8352.0 |
| 02:07.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | this bug seems to be happening to a lot of people |
| 02:08.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm fairly certain it's the aura module |
| 02:08.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can swap me around between groups and it'll resolve, but it's kind of an annoyance not to be able to read chat while i say "change my groups, bugged again, argh" |
| 02:08.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 02:08.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | (i don't use the raid frames) |
| 02:09.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8211.0 |
| 02:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's another thread with the same issue, including a screenshot |
| 02:10.01 | alestane | Think I tracked part of it down...damn UIOptionsFrame code. |
| 02:11.53 | JoshBorke | i think my balance is all screwy |
| 02:12.47 | alestane | AAND I think it's working. |
| 02:13.50 | alestane | If you want to modify the behavior of a UIOptionsFrame Check Button, remember to set the .func and .setFunc on the entry in the UIOptionsFrameCheckButtons table, and not on the button itself. |
| 02:16.23 | alestane | lua> tonumber(true) |
| 02:16.23 | cladbot | alestane: nil, |
| 02:16.34 | alestane | tonumber(false) |
| 02:16.42 | alestane | lua> tonumber(false) |
| 02:16.42 | cladbot | alestane: nil, |
| 02:17.34 | alestane | value = true; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false |
| 02:17.47 | alestane | lua> value = true; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false |
| 02:17.49 | cladbot | alestane: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "value = true; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false"]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 02:18.02 | alestane | lua> value = true; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false) |
| 02:18.02 | cladbot | alestane: true |
| 02:18.16 | alestane | lua> value = false; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false) |
| 02:18.16 | cladbot | alestane: false |
| 02:19.41 | alestane | lua> value = 0; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false) |
| 02:19.41 | cladbot | alestane: false |
| 02:19.52 | alestane | lua> value = "0"; print(value and tonumber(value) ~= 0 or false) |
| 02:19.52 | cladbot | alestane: false |
| 02:22.10 | Cidan | eh |
| 02:22.13 | Cidan | Boot to the head. |
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| 02:49.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i just preordered the orange box |
| 02:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and am preloading Team Fortress 2 |
| 02:50.10 | zenzelezz | I pre-ordered TF2 in October 2000 |
| 02:50.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 02:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it |
| 02:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | still valid? |
| 02:50.40 | zenzelezz | since then the company went bankrupt |
| 02:50.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 02:51.06 | zenzelezz | and HL2 came, and TF2 was refocused from a realistic(ish) game to the arcade style |
| 02:51.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | hl2, hl2 ep 1, Ep 2, TF2, and Portal |
| 02:51.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | for 45 bucks |
| 02:51.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i can give away (read: sell to a friend for cheap) HL2 and Ep 1 since i already own them |
| 02:52.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll be playing TF2 in about a week :o |
| 02:52.18 | Arrowmaster | maybe only if you buy it in a store and they actually give you more than 1 key for the whole set |
| 02:52.32 | Cidan | mmmm |
| 02:52.33 | Cidan | TF2 |
| 02:52.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah i got it on steam, arrow |
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| 02:52.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have gift keys if you already own games |
| 02:52.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that are part of a bundle |
| 02:52.53 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 02:52.57 | Arrowmaster | nice |
| 02:53.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | steam is completely awesome |
| 02:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Minus the completely retarded parts of it. |
| 02:54.21 | Arrowmaster | ive got my original steam account thats an email address that has my original hl key on it and the steam account i created for hl2 when they removed the 'must be an email address' crap |
| 02:54.55 | Arrowmaster | so i guess i could have 2 accounts with hl,hl2,hl2ep1 on them |
| 02:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, you can buy the orange box on your big account |
| 02:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | then use the guest keys once orange box releases and put them on the other account |
| 02:56.42 | Arrowmaster | wait im guessing that the hl2 in oragne box is just hl2 right |
| 02:57.07 | Arrowmaster | and not hl2 + the other stuff like css and hl2dm |
| 02:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=package&SubId=469&cc=US |
| 02:57.37 | Cidan | man |
| 02:57.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're in the US, that is |
| 02:57.42 | Cidan | I totally want to replay HL2 now |
| 02:58.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | so do it |
| 02:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 02:59.09 | Arrowmaster | i kinda want them to add the games for windows crap to hl2 now just so i can get the gamerpoints on my xboxlive account for playing on pc |
| 02:59.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 02:59.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | they never will |
| 02:59.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | steam's pretty much a direct competitor to xbox live |
| 02:59.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | they liscense a lot of the "arcade" games |
| 02:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | same ones* |
| 03:01.05 | Arrowmaster | http://www.xbox360achievements.org/achievements.php?gameID=308 |
| 03:01.33 | Arrowmaster | "Play through Ravenholm using only the Gravity Gun." |
| 03:01.49 | Arrowmaster | "Kill an enemy with a toilet." |
| 03:02.11 | Arrowmaster | "Beat Episode One firing exactly one bullet. Grenade, crowbar, rocket, and Gravgun kills are okay!" |
| 03:03.01 | Wobin_ | "Kill five people with one headshot bullet while hopping up and down on one foot and your eyes closed while whistling Dixie" |
| 03:05.47 | Rallion | lol |
| 03:06.04 | Rallion | the first one is just damn fun, actually |
| 03:06.08 | Rallion | at least near the end |
| 03:06.16 | Rallion | at the beginning, maybe not so much |
| 03:06.36 | Rallion | but at the end when there are saw blades all over, it's actually the easiest option. |
| 03:07.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Arrowmaster> "Play through Ravenholm using only the Gravity Gun." |
| 03:08.03 | Arrowmaster | i went through ravenholm with a giant stack of saw blades stuck to each corner as i approched it |
| 03:08.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think i used a gun for more than 5 mins after getting the grav gun in hl2 |
| 03:08.48 | Arrowmaster | i think i ended ravenholm with every saw blade in the zone stuck in a wall next to me |
| 03:09.21 | Rallion | I actually wish Steam would remember my CC info. |
| 03:09.34 | Rallion | I know a lot of people would really hate that, but...maybe just as an option |
| 03:10.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just store mine in a password protected rar file embedded in a jpg of a cat |
| 03:10.08 | Arrowmaster | wtf steam has geometry wars retro evolved now |
| 03:10.15 | Rallion | it's had it for a while |
| 03:10.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has like |
| 03:10.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost every id game |
| 03:10.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ever |
| 03:10.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | also |
| 03:10.37 | Arrowmaster | thats like the first and only thing ive purchased from xboxlive |
| 03:10.56 | Rallion | yeah, I bought the ID pack |
| 03:11.06 | Arrowmaster | can i enter all my old id cdkeys and download the games then? |
| 03:11.20 | Rallion | and then found out that half the games ran in DOSBox which is kinda disappointing |
| 03:11.30 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:12.02 | Rallion | it's actually a much better option to download one of the newer engines |
| 03:12.21 | Rallion | old FPS controls are just so clunky |
| 03:13.25 | Arrowmaster | guess ill go ahead and preorder orange box now |
| 03:13.35 | Rallion | i just did |
| 03:13.41 | Rallion | MUST HAVE PORTAL. |
| 03:13.44 | Rallion | MUSTTTT. |
| 03:14.28 | Rallion | did anybody here play STALKER and like it? |
| 03:14.44 | Arrowmaster | im doubting my computers going to be able to run hl2ep2 tf2 or portal though due to the upgrades they made to source |
| 03:15.14 | Arrowmaster | hmm the page to preorder is just blank for me |
| 03:17.45 | Arrowmaster | wtf now i have a blank tab i cant close |
| 03:17.46 | clad|book | Crevan Hill says: I used the phrase "tight as a twelve year old" today... |
| 03:17.46 | clad|book | Crevan Hill says: In the middle of class, when talking about how tight you should roll newspapers around dowels |
| 03:17.46 | clad|book | Crevan Hill says: .....the teacher said ladies were present, and I apologized, with the qualifier that "I didn't necessarily mean girls..." |
| 03:18.27 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 03:18.57 | Shirik | wow... |
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| 03:19.23 | clad|book | lol |
| 03:19.27 | Arrowmaster | fucking hell am i going to have to use IE to preorder orangebox |
| 03:20.58 | Rallion | Arrowmaster, I think you'll be fine with Source |
| 03:21.16 | Rallion | I think the stuff they added is pretty easy to just turn off |
| 03:22.15 | Arrowmaster | wtf is |
| 03:22.16 | Arrowmaster | Peggle Extreme |
| 03:22.23 | clad|book | OMG Peggle Extreme is out? |
| 03:22.29 | Arrowmaster | gg copy paste |
| 03:22.35 | clad|book | hawt |
| 03:22.42 | Arrowmaster | ment to do that on one line |
| 03:22.47 | clad|book | peggle effing rocks. |
| 03:22.56 | Rallion | it's Peggle, with special HalfLife graphics, I think |
| 03:22.59 | clad|book | http://www.popcap.com/games/peggle |
| 03:23.32 | clad|book | i have to use vmware to play peggle tho |
| 03:23.55 | Lunessa | ... clad, sometimes - you frighten me. |
| 03:23.57 | clad|book | tho, if that's not your deal |
| 03:23.59 | clad|book | play TyperShark |
| 03:24.02 | clad|book | BESTEST typing game EVFAR |
| 03:24.12 | clad|book | http://www.popcap.com/games/free/typershark |
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| 03:28.19 | clad|book | evening Iriel |
| 03:28.26 | Iriel | evening |
| 03:28.39 | Iriel | and I guess goodnight 8-) |
| 03:28.45 | clad|sleep | ;-) |
| 03:29.10 | Lunessa | Hello Iriel, and I too am out. Off home. |
| 03:29.13 | clad|sleep | Does anyone have experience with the Sony Ericsson 880i? |
| 03:29.15 | Lunessa | ciao tutti |
| 03:29.20 | clad|sleep | w880i i suspect is the model number i mean |
| 03:30.48 | Wobin_ | alas |
| 03:30.51 | Wobin_ | I have a 630i |
| 03:31.27 | clad|sleep | whats your impression?> |
| 03:31.33 | clad|sleep | i mean do you like what you have? |
| 03:31.53 | Wobin_ | yep =) |
| 03:32.12 | Wobin_ | It's a nice phone, has some good features |
| 03:32.20 | Wobin_ | I don't use the internet on it though, so I can't comment on that |
| 03:32.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone buy me some ice cream |
| 03:32.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.31 | Wobin_ | the camera is pretty cool, with a panoramic setting |
| 03:32.36 | clad|sleep | i get to choose a new phone in 12 days |
| 03:32.38 | clad|sleep | and dont knwo what to get :P |
| 03:32.38 | Wobin_ | 2mp |
| 03:32.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's nowhere open nearby that sells any and i've got the taste for some :[ |
| 03:32.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | clad, what provider? |
| 03:33.13 | Wobin_ | Mr_Rabies: All you need is cream, sugar, a couple of plastic bags and a whole pile of salt |
| 03:33.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but doesn't that take time |
| 03:33.32 | clad|sleep | Mr_Rabies2: depends, either Vodafone, O2 or Orange in the UK |
| 03:33.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've hard of the elusive ziploc method, but haven't read on it |
| 03:33.45 | clad|sleep | ideally with something that works with iSync on a mac for address book transfer |
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| 03:33.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, can't help you with uk ones :x |
| 03:34.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use a samsung a707 with at&t |
| 03:34.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's awesome |
| 03:34.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like a mini pda |
| 03:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | with a camera and phone in it :o |
| 03:34.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i get like, 7 bars in atlanta |
| 03:34.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't even know the damn phone could go up to 7 |
| 03:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 03:35.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5 bars? fuck that shit, ours goes up to 7 |
| 03:35.14 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:35.23 | Wobin_ | Does it go to eleven? |
| 03:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | well technically 8 |
| 03:35.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | because the first bar is a tower |
| 03:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not just buy a more powerful phone? |
| 03:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | nono, you don't understand |
| 03:36.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | this goes to 8 |
| 03:36.57 | Rallion | lol |
| 03:37.20 | Rallion | I went for so long not having seen that movie |
| 03:37.25 | Rallion | but I wouldn't admit it |
| 03:37.36 | Rallion | I would just slink away from any discussion of it |
| 03:38.36 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 03:38.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've only seen it once all the way through |
| 03:42.57 | Iriel | When the DVD release came out I watched it twice back to back, once normally then again with the in-character commentary |
| 03:48.32 | Esamynn | which movie is this? |
| 03:48.48 | buu | ude! |
| 03:48.50 | buu | Dude! |
| 03:48.53 | buu | Zomg. |
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| 04:05.58 | Rallion | Esamynn, This is Spinal Tap |
| 04:06.23 | Esamynn | ty |
| 04:06.23 | Shirik | |Jelly|: ping |
| 04:06.23 | |Jelly| | pong |
| 04:06.30 | Shirik | what's your thoughts on circle of healing? |
| 04:07.00 | |Jelly| | It's nice to have a priest with it for raid heals but other than that, it blows. |
| 04:07.17 | buu | 2900 dps =[ |
| 04:08.18 | Shirik | yeah I saw that one of our priests had it yesterday |
| 04:08.21 | Shirik | and she used it very effectively |
| 04:08.22 | art3mis | Wobin_: nice call on the classic reference |
| 04:08.29 | Rallion | Okay, the "Extreme" elements of the Peggle Extreme that comes with Orange Box are hilarious. |
| 04:08.29 | Wobin_ | ^^ |
| 04:08.35 | Wobin_ | I just had a semi lucid dream |
| 04:08.41 | Rallion | There's a pony with a head crab on it. |
| 04:08.41 | art3mis | why dont you just make it 10? |
| 04:08.42 | Wobin_ | except I felt I was keyboard turning |
| 04:08.49 | art3mis | because it goes to 11 |
| 04:08.59 | art3mis | that movie is awesome on sooooo many levels |
| 04:09.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i just beat peggle extreme rallion |
| 04:09.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty fun/funny |
| 04:09.12 | art3mis | rob reiner is forever marked genius because of it |
| 04:10.27 | Iriel | The dark portal too often makes me think of Stonehenge |
| 04:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | stonehenge is in arathi :p |
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| 05:17.17 | Cairenn | quiet night in here |
| 05:17.50 | kaiden | indeed |
| 05:19.02 | art3mis | i blame rabies for bringing up the celts |
| 05:19.25 | kaiden | celtic love.. yum |
| 05:19.27 | kaiden | and music! |
| 05:19.28 | kaiden | heh |
| 05:19.44 | kaiden | rabid celtic love & music ftw |
| 05:20.38 | art3mis | thanks! |
| 05:20.58 | art3mis | can ihave a kiss and a butt grope too? |
| 05:21.19 | kaiden | Cairenn has to kiss you thought |
| 05:21.21 | kaiden | -t |
| 05:21.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:21.28 | art3mis | woo! |
| 05:21.50 | kaiden | sorry i dont know where those lips have been ;P |
| 05:21.53 | art3mis | the funny thing about my back, is that it's in the area of my penis. |
| 05:22.08 | art3mis | super bad was actually a rpetty funny movie |
| 05:22.11 | kaiden | you have a penis on your ass? |
| 05:22.31 | art3mis | it keeps the gays confused long enough for me to say "no!" |
| 05:22.39 | kaiden | haha! |
| 05:23.30 | Thunder_Child | sadly i think i have seen a pic of you then art3mis |
| 05:23.43 | art3mis | perv |
| 05:23.55 | Thunder_Child | hey, i didnt stick it on the net, thats all you |
| 05:24.07 | art3mis | yup it is |
| 05:24.17 | art3mis | no surgery or plastic |
| 05:24.27 | art3mis | makes wearing shorts "wierd" |
| 05:24.47 | Thunder_Child | or a thong |
| 05:24.57 | Thunder_Child | gah, mental image |
| 05:25.00 | art3mis | hah |
| 05:25.18 | art3mis | gasp! |
| 05:25.22 | art3mis | they just killed elric |
| 05:25.24 | Thunder_Child | brb |
| 05:25.32 | Cairenn | claymation! claymation! damnit, too late |
| 05:25.42 | art3mis | err ed erlic |
| 05:26.09 | art3mis | oh cairenn funny thing i noticed today |
| 05:26.20 | art3mis | when you were down here did yous ee the marlboro and kool short packs? |
| 05:26.21 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 05:26.32 | art3mis | camel has em now too |
| 05:26.34 | Cairenn | didn't particularly notice them, no |
| 05:26.37 | Cairenn | what about them? |
| 05:27.00 | art3mis | i actually asked for pallmall kingsized today |
| 05:27.25 | art3mis | the us is almost at the point where they ahve regs and kingsized smoke choices |
| 05:27.30 | art3mis | just thought that was ammusing |
| 05:27.47 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:31.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | quake wars is amazing |
| 05:31.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 05:32.09 | art3mis | more amazing than cheese? |
| 05:32.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | more amazing than life itself |
| 05:32.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just slammed into a tank and blew it up with the strogg equivalent of the jeep |
| 05:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i hit the boost and was going really fast |
| 05:32.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | as an engineer |
| 05:33.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also killed like 5 people in a minute with my turret |
| 05:33.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is amazing |
| 05:33.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so buying this |
| 05:33.26 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 05:34.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | night cair |
| 05:34.38 | art3mis | ni ni sweet thing |
| 05:38.21 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk...i dont belive you or anythingm but night |
| 05:38.26 | Thunder_Child | anything* |
| 05:38.57 | kaiden | Question peoples, how much work would it take to switch from about 2400 rep into honored with Scryers to Aldor? :P |
| 05:41.30 | Thunder_Child | i once found a chart that said it, but i cant find it again |
| 06:04.47 | AnduinLothar | Does Grace of Air stack with Salv? |
| 06:07.19 | kaiden | why wouldn't it? |
| 06:07.27 | kaiden | grace of air == agility enhancement |
| 06:07.36 | kaiden | salv == threat reduction |
| 06:08.28 | AnduinLothar | which is the -threat? |
| 06:09.16 | kaiden | salvation |
| 06:09.25 | AnduinLothar | no, the totem |
| 06:09.43 | kaiden | oh .. uhm.. crap |
| 06:09.46 | kaiden | it's an of the air |
| 06:09.53 | kaiden | let me look |
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| 06:10.35 | kaiden | Tranquil Air |
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| 06:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It stacks, like all threat reducing abilities/talents |
| 06:17.11 | AnduinLothar | so yes it stacks with salv? |
| 06:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, the same way all -threat things do (not additive) |
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| 06:24.21 | Thunder_Child | anyone know of a good list of sci-fi shows? |
| 06:24.31 | Thunder_Child | older off the air ones |
| 06:24.58 | Tierrie | babylon 5 |
| 06:25.02 | Tierrie | star trek |
| 06:25.18 | Thunder_Child | eh..i'm looking for a particular one |
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| 06:25.28 | Tierrie | particular one what? |
| 06:25.33 | Thunder_Child | sci-fi show |
| 06:25.42 | Tierrie | star trek deep space nine season three to seven |
| 06:26.01 | Thunder_Child | "(23:25:37) (Thunder_Child) eh..i'm looking for a particular one" |
| 06:26.17 | Tierrie | ok please clarify your remark |
| 06:26.39 | Tierrie | just one episode? |
| 06:26.40 | Thunder_Child | i was 1 ep of an older sci-fi show and i am trying to find it again |
| 06:26.46 | Thunder_Child | s/was/saw/ |
| 06:27.03 | Thunder_Child | older meaning 90's + |
| 06:27.04 | Tierrie | ok that was not even vaguely like what you said the first time around |
| 06:27.06 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 06:27.14 | Thunder_Child | yes it was |
| 06:27.23 | Tierrie | 10 Thunder_Child: 01anyone know of a good list of sci-fi shows? <-- this is what i first read |
| 06:27.33 | Thunder_Child | next line down.... |
| 06:27.47 | Tierrie | 10Thunder_Child: 01older off the air ones <-- this is what i read next |
| 06:27.54 | Thunder_Child | right... |
| 06:28.03 | Tierrie | by saying "ones" you implied plurality, so i assumed you meant series |
| 06:28.07 | Thunder_Child | i'm looking for a list so i can find it again |
| 06:28.22 | Thunder_Child | yes, a list that has more than one |
| 06:28.33 | Tierrie | ok see, now you're assuming i can read your mind and the purpose of said list is to find above mentioned show |
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| 06:29.05 | Thunder_Child | all i needed was the list...how did you have to read my mind for that? |
| 06:29.28 | Tierrie | i thought you were looking for good sci-fi shows, like what you were doing yesterday |
| 06:29.49 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 06:30.17 | Thunder_Child | i have seen all of the new ones i want to see...i'm even watching red dwarf atm |
| 06:30.23 | Thunder_Child | really really odd show |
| 06:31.57 | Tierrie | you're wierd! |
| 06:32.02 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 06:39.03 | Thunder_Child | gah, i cant stand the new battlestar galactica |
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| 06:42.14 | Thunder_Child | sweet, found it |
| 06:44.16 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Really? I think it's pretty damn good. |
| 06:44.56 | Iriel | An older sci fi show that really needs to come out on DVD is Blakes Seven |
| 06:45.02 | Thunder_Child | yea, i have only found one other person that doesnt like it....it's mostly about how dark it is, but some is about the stupid camera action |
| 06:45.34 | Thunder_Child | also dark.... |
| 06:45.41 | Iriel | I will admit some of the gaius (sp?) stuff is kinda stupid. |
| 06:46.17 | Thunder_Child | well what i was looking for and finaly found was "Starhunter" |
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| 06:47.03 | AnduinLothar | i stopped watching after the 3rd season i think |
| 06:47.17 | AnduinLothar | when ever it was they landed on a planet |
| 06:47.55 | Iriel | I'm mid-way through season 2 |
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| 06:48.05 | AnduinLothar | >.> |
| 06:48.21 | AnduinLothar | yeah the first few seasons were good |
| 06:48.46 | nevcairiel | I'm still watching, and waiting for the next season .. in like a week or two :) |
| 06:48.57 | Thunder_Child | looks like they are going to have a mini-movie |
| 06:49.10 | Thunder_Child | "However, Ronald Moore has indicated that this two-hour special will not pick up the plot line from the end of the third season, but will rather go back and tell a story involving the Battlestar Pegasus" |
| 06:49.46 | AnduinLothar | I kidna just felt that it didn't go anywhere, and then when it did start going somewhere I didn't like the way they did it |
| 06:50.01 | Iriel | That's always a danger |
| 06:50.16 | Iriel | One of the nicest surprises 'recently' has been the new Dr Who (Not that new now but....) |
| 06:50.28 | Iriel | That turned out significantly better than I'd expected it would |
| 06:50.38 | art3mis | new battlestar sucks |
| 06:50.39 | AnduinLothar | too many "gotcha!" moments where it seems liek they pulled a problem or solution out of their asses |
| 06:51.00 | art3mis | im far to entrenched in the whole silver cylons thing |
| 06:51.01 | Thunder_Child | i saw the first ep of dr. who didnt seem all that good |
| 06:51.25 | art3mis | i just cant accept that they managed to create human looking cylons and yet somehow cant desrtoy a fwe crappy farm ships |
| 06:51.26 | Thunder_Child | but that was just me |
| 06:51.41 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: You have to give it a few episodes to find its feet |
| 06:51.44 | art3mis | dr.who is hit and miss |
| 06:51.53 | Iriel | The original was hit and miss too 8-) |
| 06:51.56 | art3mis | some of the bbc shows were great some horrid |
| 06:52.00 | AnduinLothar | most sci-fi takes a season or two to get good. |
| 06:52.01 | Tierrie | are you talking about Razor? |
| 06:52.02 | Iriel | It probably helps to have grown up watching the original 8-) |
| 06:52.07 | Tierrie | yeah sounds like you're talking about Razor |
| 06:52.07 | art3mis | mainly because of who was the doctor at the time |
| 06:52.09 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, ok, i'll give it a few more chances |
| 06:52.14 | Tierrie | Iriel: I heard Torchwood is awesome |
| 06:52.29 | AnduinLothar | i kinda wanna watch that |
| 06:52.37 | Iriel | I just watched the first couple of episodes of dr who season 2 in which torchwood is introduced (pre-spinoff) |
| 06:52.39 | art3mis | torchwood? |
| 06:52.43 | art3mis | oh |
| 06:52.47 | Thunder_Child | this btw is a really really nice list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_television_programs |
| 06:52.51 | Iriel | I haven't watched Torchwood itself yet, beyond the title credits |
| 06:53.01 | Tierrie | I heard it was better than DrWho really |
| 06:53.04 | Tierrie | I can't watch Dr Who |
| 06:53.14 | Tierrie | on account of the daleks being the world's worst villians |
| 06:53.19 | Iriel | I didn't know what it was until I recognized the scriptwriter, and saw Captain Jack show up |
| 06:53.20 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:53.22 | art3mis | heh ahve you seen the promos for that journeyman show? |
| 06:53.30 | Tierrie | I think, when I was a kid, in Malaysia, it showed on TV once, and I was like "WTF is that ugly robot" |
| 06:53.31 | Iriel | The daleks were actually really scary back in the 80's |
| 06:53.48 | Tierrie | i thought it was an oversized english salt and pepper shaker |
| 06:53.56 | Tierrie | all I thought was "crazy english" |
| 06:53.57 | art3mis | they were never scary |
| 06:54.02 | art3mis | you must have drank alot |
| 06:54.02 | Iriel | It's probably a generation thing, I dunno |
| 06:54.03 | art3mis | ;) |
| 06:54.14 | Tierrie | iriel was a teenager then |
| 06:54.14 | art3mis | im easily as old if not odler than you |
| 06:54.16 | Tierrie | so probably |
| 06:54.24 | Iriel | I was 8 in 1980 |
| 06:54.30 | art3mis | same age |
| 06:54.34 | Thunder_Child | i was -1 |
| 06:54.42 | Tierrie | lol |
| 06:54.47 | Tierrie | brb trying trillian 4 |
| 06:54.47 | AnduinLothar | not sci-fi per say, but i foudn a place that sells the wild wild west tv series on dvd, i think i might have to get them |
| 06:54.48 | art3mis | my birthday is saturday |
| 06:54.50 | art3mis | !!! |
| 06:55.05 | Thunder_Child | happy bithday then art3mis.. |
| 06:55.11 | art3mis | old wild wild west was awesome |
| 06:55.13 | art3mis | thanks |
| 06:55.15 | Thunder_Child | would say it on sat but i would prolly forget |
| 06:55.18 | art3mis | the one with james garner? |
| 06:55.22 | Iriel | turning 35? |
| 06:55.23 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 06:55.29 | art3mis | yeah that one was great! |
| 06:55.32 | art3mis | yup 35 |
| 06:55.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, it is |
| 06:55.38 | Iriel | A fine age 8-) |
| 06:55.45 | art3mis | Artemis is still the best scientist sidekick ever |
| 06:55.51 | AnduinLothar | ya :) |
| 06:56.05 | art3mis | i swear every smart sidekick past that was modelled on him |
| 06:56.18 | Thunder_Child | your 35 yo, and your trying to make a hello kitty UI.....i dont know if thats good or bad... /sigh |
| 06:56.35 | art3mis | Iriel: im getting grey hairs too! im sooo stoked that some how magically my hair will turn white over night |
| 06:56.45 | art3mis | im a big kid ;P |
| 06:56.52 | art3mis | and i didnt "Try" to make it |
| 06:56.58 | AnduinLothar | last episode i watched he passed out trying to identify the tranquilizer effects that had been used on him |
| 06:56.59 | art3mis | i unleashed pure evil on the world |
| 06:57.01 | Iriel | art3mis: I dont think it works that way 8-) |
| 06:57.21 | art3mis | Iriel: heh my wife thinks its funny that i make a point of showing her my grey hairs with glee |
| 06:57.40 | grephead | that was Robert Conrad, not James Garner... |
| 06:57.50 | art3mis | you sure? |
| 06:58.10 | art3mis | what was the one garner was in ? |
| 06:58.28 | grephead | Support your local Sheriff |
| 06:58.37 | grephead | Support your local gunfighter, bunch of others. |
| 06:59.09 | art3mis | oh yeah duh |
| 06:59.13 | art3mis | maverick |
| 06:59.15 | grephead | he was in Maverick |
| 06:59.18 | grephead | heh |
| 06:59.28 | Thunder_Child | we have a guild on our server called "The Gray Hairs Down Their" |
| 06:59.41 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:00.05 | Thunder_Child | when you mentioned showing them to your wife you reminded me of that |
| 07:00.54 | art3mis | laugh |
| 07:01.15 | art3mis | yeah you don't need to know but i have nothing down there, cuz i expect her to have nothing down there ;P |
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| 07:01.42 | Iriel | You're absolutely right we didn't need to know |
| 07:01.59 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:04.18 | Thunder_Child | hmm...gaming laptop sub 1K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834210003 |
| 07:04.52 | Iriel | What's the catch? |
| 07:04.55 | Iriel | There's always a catch |
| 07:05.06 | Thunder_Child | uhh...only 1gb ram |
| 07:05.20 | Thunder_Child | though you can buy another one for ~$40 |
| 07:05.40 | Punkie` | the extended warrenty is also more than $300 :D |
| 07:07.02 | Punkie` | comes with vista too |
| 07:07.03 | Punkie` | noooooo |
| 07:07.24 | Thunder_Child | because it's so hard to replace with xp/linux |
| 07:07.39 | Punkie` | but it's been tainted now :( |
| 07:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's actually a really good price |
| 07:07.49 | Thunder_Child | and the base warrenty is prolly 1 yr, and after 1 year you could buy the latop for 300 |
| 07:07.52 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 07:08.01 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Punkie` |
| 07:08.01 | purl | whacks Punkie` with the cluebat |
| 07:08.06 | Punkie` | :( |
| 07:08.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | considering it has vista |
| 07:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | monitor size is a bit lacking for some stuff |
| 07:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm used to my 17in widescreen |
| 07:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah lurvs it |
| 07:09.40 | Thunder_Child | 17 isnt really portable...it isnt supposed to be a desktop replacement |
| 07:09.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i move mine often |
| 07:10.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but usually it's to and from lans/dorm/etc |
| 07:10.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a mobile desktop replacement for me |
| 07:11.25 | Thunder_Child | unless something better comes out soon i will prolly get http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=T4220 for myself |
| 07:11.36 | Srosh | !c eu kazzak flinkmeister |
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| 07:12.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to get an Eee |
| 07:13.08 | art3mis | http://www.productshub.com/Acer-Aspire-5100-5022-AMD-Turion-64-X2-15-4-WXGA-DVD-Writer-DVD-RAM-R-RW-/ thats mine cep mine has 2gb now |
| 07:13.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/ |
| 07:13.27 | Punkie` | Thunder_Child: my boss has one of those |
| 07:13.49 | art3mis | one of my clients has the sony version of the Eee |
| 07:13.55 | art3mis | its so tiny and awesome |
| 07:14.04 | art3mis | reminds me of the awesomeness of the libretto |
| 07:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd slap ubuntu on it |
| 07:14.06 | Punkie` | it's not bad, but due to being the touchscreen the actual display looks a bit bad |
| 07:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and use it for irc and whatnot |
| 07:14.36 | art3mis | touchscreens are wierd |
| 07:14.40 | art3mis | they confuse me |
| 07:14.52 | Thunder_Child | you can play wow touchscreen |
| 07:14.53 | art3mis | the pdas and phones have pen touch |
| 07:14.59 | Thunder_Child | thanks to slouken |
| 07:15.03 | art3mis | iphones are thumb touch |
| 07:15.13 | art3mis | but the thumbtouch dont work with the pen |
| 07:15.19 | art3mis | which to me is kind of retarded |
| 07:15.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it uses your skin's conductivity to detect stuffs |
| 07:15.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 07:15.52 | AnduinLothar | iphone screen uses the same thing as the ipod wheel, it uses your finger as a conductor |
| 07:15.54 | art3mis | Thunder_Child: get come of those awesome watcom tablets ;P |
| 07:16.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | most laptop controls do the same thing |
| 07:16.07 | art3mis | nods i prefer the accuracy of the pen though |
| 07:16.15 | Thunder_Child | the fujitsu one is made by wacom |
| 07:16.26 | art3mis | the mouse touchpads such for that reason too |
| 07:16.34 | art3mis | suck |
| 07:17.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a dell laptop |
| 07:17.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | freakin nice screens |
| 07:17.11 | art3mis | there are far too many times where i've used my pen tip to move a mouse when doing something and sighed |
| 07:17.19 | art3mis | the acer brites are wicked too |
| 07:17.23 | art3mis | so crisp its crazy |
| 07:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i just recently gutted it to clean the cpu fan out |
| 07:17.34 | art3mis | best thing about the acer is its "super wireless" |
| 07:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was growling at me |
| 07:17.47 | art3mis | ive got a 150' range on this beas |
| 07:17.48 | art3mis | t |
| 07:18.00 | Iriel | The screens on the newer MacBook Pro's are very nice too |
| 07:18.17 | AnduinLothar | the glossy? |
| 07:18.21 | art3mis | my office across a manhatten crosstown street to the back office across the way |
| 07:18.26 | Iriel | No, I dont like glossy |
| 07:18.47 | art3mis | i like that i can see this claerly even if its got direct sunlight on it |
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| 07:23.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm looking at this APC unit, 19 of run time, 16 hrs to charge. |
| 07:23.27 | Thunder_Child | 19 min* |
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| 07:39.59 | Tierrie | well |
| 07:40.10 | Tierrie | astra turned out to be pretty bad as its still in alpha |
| 07:40.11 | Tierrie | anyway |
| 07:40.15 | Tierrie | i found this! |
| 07:40.15 | Tierrie | http://raincoaster.com/2007/09/12/chris-crocker-you-fuck-with-britney-you-deal-with-me/ |
| 07:40.28 | Tierrie | i felt bad, that this guy is a complete retard |
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| 07:41.54 | Thunder_Child | that guy is perfect for drug testing...the hard way |
| 07:42.27 | Tierrie | he's so enthused |
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| 07:43.01 | Thunder_Child | can i shoot him...please.....pretty please |
| 07:43.14 | Tierrie | you don't see that kind of fanatism outside of religion, operating systems, and wine anymore |
| 07:43.20 | Tierrie | rotfl |
| 07:43.34 | Tierrie | he's so hilariously bad |
| 07:43.37 | Thunder_Child | *cough* star trek *cough* |
| 07:43.44 | Tierrie | nah |
| 07:43.53 | Tierrie | star trek's flame has burnt its candle |
| 07:44.40 | Thunder_Child | " that kind of fanatism" no, it's still fits |
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| 07:52.01 | Elessdy | okay, i don't know a lot about secure templates, but say you have this button. you've used SetAttribute("type1", "spell") and SetAttribute("spell1", "Moonfire") on it. clicking it doesn't cast the spell. what obvious things could i be missing? |
| 07:52.24 | Elessdy | or a spell without a rank, "Aspect of the Viper" |
| 07:53.47 | Thunder_Child | have you looked http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SecureTemplates ? |
| 07:54.06 | Thunder_Child | looked at* |
| 07:55.38 | Elessdy | i have before, though not recently. i've been looking up the attributes thing, though |
| 07:55.44 | Thunder_Child | and http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Object_SecureUnitButtonTemplate |
| 07:55.57 | Corrodias | i'm trying to make two addons work with each other |
| 07:56.13 | Corrodias | namely, aspectshiftingbar and bartender3 |
| 07:56.53 | Corrodias | maybe the button that bartender has replaced this with doesn't inherit from the necessary template for this method to work. |
| 07:57.22 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 08:01.23 | nevcairiel | bartender re-uses the default blizzy shapeshift buttons |
| 08:02.23 | nevcairiel | but everytime someone mentions that mod |
| 08:02.30 | nevcairiel | i wonder .. is 120 buttons not enough?^^ |
| 08:03.43 | Corrodias | having hunter aspects on the shapeshift bar is very convenient. i like it, at least. |
| 08:04.28 | Thunder_Child | what about puting the aspects on a bar right next to the shapeshift bar? |
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| 08:05.01 | nevcairiel | but anyway, i have no idea why that mod wont work |
| 08:05.14 | nevcairiel | bartender only moves the default blizzy shapeshift buttons |
| 08:05.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not just make another bar |
| 08:05.15 | Corrodias | might work if they are skinned like bartender skins its bars and inherit the same keybindings as the shapeshift buttons |
| 08:05.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | scale it down, and only use it on the hunter |
| 08:05.52 | Corrodias | can you create new, arbitrary bars in bartender3? |
| 08:06.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you're using all 10 already |
| 08:06.06 | Corrodias | might use one of the otherwise unused ones... |
| 08:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, you can make up to 10, and on a druid you probably use.... |
| 08:07.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5-7 |
| 08:07.24 | nevcairiel | i still have 2 empty bars on my druid |
| 08:07.29 | nevcairiel | or 3 even |
| 08:07.32 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 08:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use 2 for caster form |
| 08:07.43 | Corrodias | interesting concept. but i'd have to make such a bar for the warrior, druid, priest, rogue, and hunter classes to be able to bind the keys i use for shapeshifting there, and then i'd have to update the positioning of the abilities manually as i obtained/lost them |
| 08:07.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | one for cat, one for bear |
| 08:07.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but moonkin/tree complicate things |
| 08:08.11 | nevcairiel | i dont use a special tree bar |
| 08:08.13 | nevcairiel | default caster |
| 08:08.49 | Corrodias | well, aspectshiftingbar and aspectedagain both, i believe, try to replace the shapeshift buttons with their own buttons |
| 08:09.40 | Corrodias | ugh, no more tinkering for tonight. sleep. good night! |
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| 11:36.58 | Maldivia | anyone here with a non-english client ? |
| 11:41.43 | [dRaCo] | german client with english language pack here... |
| 11:43.08 | Maldivia | was just interested in the returns of itemtype (from GetItemInfo) on non-english languages, but it seems to be localized, from what I found from digging a bit further |
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| 12:14.48 | zenzelezz | interesting, if I set my enGB client's realm list to use the US one, it recognized "Oceanic" as "SPanish" |
| 12:15.19 | zenzelezz | god, I always forget disabling addons on new chars |
| 12:19.04 | JoshBorke | yea,i hate that too |
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| 13:25.39 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLj5rMREmxY want! |
| 13:26.57 | Shirik | has it finally been released? |
| 13:27.38 | Shirik | also, that is a lot better than I thought it would be |
| 13:28.12 | bleeter | http://www.fairlightau.com/ woot for aussie tech ;) |
| 13:28.12 | Wobin_ | wow |
| 13:28.17 | Wobin_ | it looks pretty damn cool |
| 13:28.40 | alestane | Looks like it requires much software support. |
| 13:28.54 | Wobin_ | why wouldn't it? |
| 13:29.05 | bleeter | the audio production stuff's built in, from what I understand |
| 13:29.27 | Wobin_ | I wonder how it feels as a keyboard |
| 13:29.29 | bleeter | 'n the changing keys etc., prolly comes with drivers/designer s/w |
| 13:29.53 | Wobin_ | It doesn't look as if it'd give much tactile feedback |
| 13:31.00 | bleeter | mind you, 20k euros, you'd want it to be fairly self-supporting (ie, not need an app to be coded up to use it, but for it to know the app) |
| 13:31.02 | Shirik | that's one thing I was worried about |
| 13:31.04 | Shirik | when I saw it |
| 13:31.21 | Shirik | and that's (sadly) one thing I care strongly about |
| 13:31.26 | bleeter | it's efiantely a production studio thing, not for a gamer/office worker, etc. |
| 13:31.30 | Shirik | yeah there's no way I could afford it :P |
| 13:31.35 | Shirik | I knew that a long time ago |
| 13:31.38 | bleeter | *definately |
| 13:32.14 | bleeter | give it 10 years, some sweat shop will be knocking out similar products sub 500 bucks ;) |
| 13:32.57 | Wobin_ | bah |
| 13:33.05 | bleeter | iirc, the 1975 Fairlight CMI was $100k or so, ten years later there was gear around for a tenth that price that did same |
| 13:33.07 | Wobin_ | by that time we'll be controlling the computer directly with our minds =P |
| 13:33.41 | Wobin_ | (Granted, the viewing of porn on the internet will increase by about 80%) |
| 13:34.07 | alestane | OMG " I need a macro to cast lighting bolt x100 on a target that i click. Help" |
| 13:34.45 | bleeter | wish my keys would change depending what form/stance I was in >< |
| 13:34.57 | alestane | That's like the druid who said keeping lifebloom on the tanks took up valuable time better spent weating microwaved pizzas. |
| 13:34.58 | Wobin_ | /castsequence [target:mouseover] Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, |
| 13:35.17 | JoshBorke | lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt! |
| 13:35.30 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 13:35.31 | alestane | *ahem* [target=mouseover], thank you very much. |
| 13:35.35 | Wobin_ | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger |
| 13:35.35 | Shirik | I thought euros were more than a penny |
| 13:35.40 | Shirik | I was obviously backwards |
| 13:35.56 | Shirik | that thing costs almost as much as I pay my school annually |
| 13:36.21 | Wobin_ | well if it's a fully functioning sound desk, I wouldn't be surprised =P |
| 13:36.25 | bleeter | their simple studio gear costs the price of a decent house |
| 13:37.01 | Shirik | btw as far as I'm reading (to whomever asked) |
| 13:37.08 | Shirik | The board is "truly 'application-aware'" |
| 13:37.25 | Wobin_ | that sounds ominous =P |
| 13:37.27 | Shirik | i.e., as bleeter said, you do not need an app to be coded for it. It should know the app |
| 13:37.44 | bleeter | "Capable of sampling frequencies up to 384Khz" rofl |
| 13:37.53 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 13:38.01 | Shirik | Do people even go that high o.o |
| 13:38.07 | bleeter | the CC1 card that's embedded into it |
| 13:38.17 | bleeter | it's due to the FPGAs they have |
| 13:38.20 | alestane | Shirik: People hear up to about 22KHz. |
| 13:38.25 | Shirik | that's my point |
| 13:38.31 | Shirik | CD quality is something around 40KHz |
| 13:38.33 | Shirik | 44KHz? |
| 13:38.35 | alestane | 44KHz |
| 13:38.37 | bleeter | they can create eq's and compressors at gate level |
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| 13:38.48 | alestane | DAT is 48KHz |
| 13:38.55 | alestane | Morning Cogs |
| 13:39.22 | cogwheel | mornin' |
| 13:39.33 | bleeter | yeah, 384KHz.. 4 stereo channels of 44KHz |
| 13:40.04 | alestane | Not the same thing. |
| 13:40.05 | JoshBorke | lua> 44*4 |
| 13:40.05 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 176 |
| 13:40.13 | bleeter | well, if it's driven that way.. dunno |
| 13:40.15 | alestane | lua>44*8 |
| 13:40.15 | cladbot | alestane: 352 |
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| 13:40.24 | JoshBorke | math not so ez for me |
| 13:40.40 | bleeter | 4 chans of 48.. oops |
| 13:40.49 | alestane | lua> 48*4*2 |
| 13:40.50 | cladbot | alestane: 384 |
| 13:41.06 | alestane | The /command for AfterCast is just /aftercast, right? |
| 13:41.11 | cogwheel | yes |
| 13:41.34 | bleeter | insane, no matter what they do with it, nonetheless |
| 13:45.53 | Shirik | when I'm rich I'm going to have to get one |
| 13:45.54 | bleeter | heh, here's some historical/hysterical old Fairlight stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON8lVgJxMQA |
| 13:46.05 | Shirik | which means I have to get rich quickly so it's not out of date :P |
| 13:46.48 | bleeter | thems were the days, 8" floppies |
| 13:48.05 | zenzelezz | 8" and floppy? Doesn't sound very nice |
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| 13:55.41 | cogwheel | alestane: i'm not sure if it matters but historically I've seen /aftercast go before the corresponding /cast. I'm not sure if this is just convention or if it's somehow necessary to the functioning of the addon |
| 13:56.26 | alestane | cogwheel...thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind if he comes back saying it doesn't work. |
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| 14:00.58 | ts|skrom_ | yarr |
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| 14:37.54 | Shirik | "+12 intellect and chance to restore mana on spellcast" |
| 14:37.56 | Shirik | Good for a healer? |
| 14:38.16 | Shirik | I need a meta gem :/ |
| 14:38.21 | Josh_Borke | yea, it'll work |
| 14:38.27 | Josh_Borke | how much mana? |
| 14:38.29 | Josh_Borke | shirik? |
| 14:38.39 | Shirik | 8805 unbuffed |
| 14:38.55 | Josh_Borke | that it restores |
| 14:39.38 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i use that meta gem |
| 14:39.41 | nevcairiel | its not too bad |
| 14:39.50 | nevcairiel | and the reqs are easy |
| 14:39.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:39.52 | Shirik | Everyone says about 2% for 300 mana |
| 14:40.02 | nevcairiel | sounds about right |
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| 14:40.18 | nevcairiel | better then this 28 heal thing, which screws all your other gem choices |
| 14:40.31 | Shirik | I'm not suffering on +healing right now |
| 14:40.36 | Shirik | my worst problem is mana |
| 14:41.53 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:41.58 | Shirik | the requirements used to be 5 of each color? |
| 14:41.58 | Shirik | wow |
| 14:42.02 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 14:42.10 | nevcairiel | but 2 of each is piss easy :P |
| 14:42.32 | Shirik | lol I like this comment "We all know that Blizzard has interns rolling percentile dice every time you cast - if they roll a 01 or 02 it procs! Unfortunately the interns also spend a lot of time making coffee and running errands, which explains why you sometimes go for 100+ casts without getting a proc. They bluff the rolls when they come back to get the percentage to work out. :) " |
| 14:43.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:43.29 | Shirik | well let's see what I have right now.... |
| 14:44.09 | Shirik | hm, I'm about to drop a red and a blue gem :( Once I get my primal mooncloth shoulders |
| 14:44.35 | nevcairiel | oh one of those players, still wearing craft gear :P |
| 14:44.50 | Shirik | =( |
| 14:45.05 | Shirik | Heh, the rest of my guild is in BT |
| 14:45.10 | Shirik | I'm.... not >< |
| 14:45.17 | nevcairiel | too busy coding? |
| 14:45.33 | Shirik | more of a I just joined and they want me to get to a point where I'm actually useful first :P |
| 14:45.38 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:45.52 | Shirik | but it's nice because they're doing runs for me like kara or whatever even though I'm the only one that needs to go |
| 14:45.55 | Shirik | or one of two, etc. |
| 14:46.02 | Shirik | like for me and a mage I think |
| 14:46.11 | nevcairiel | thats cool |
| 14:46.12 | Shirik | I got 3 items last run :P |
| 14:46.20 | nevcairiel | we dont accept people with pre-kara equip |
| 14:46.22 | nevcairiel | *shrug |
| 14:46.27 | Shirik | =( |
| 14:46.42 | Shirik | I think... we're probably the same. One of my good friends is in the guild though put in a good word for me |
| 14:46.48 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 14:47.34 | nevcairiel | dunno its just, when we need new players, we want to be able to have them available right away, and not run them through the equip process again |
| 14:47.39 | alestane | There are the guilds that recruit in the starting area; guilds that recruit through runs, and tend to lose people to raiding guilds; Raiding guilds that recruit from the leveling guilds...and then there are the raiding guilds that recruit from other raidings guilds. |
| 14:47.48 | nevcairiel | its bad enough that we need to get attunment for like every new one |
| 14:48.30 | Josh_Borke | hm, no cog |
| 14:48.30 | Shirik | grr |
| 14:48.35 | Shirik | I love how I go to the armory |
| 14:48.39 | Shirik | I click "Find an upgrade" |
| 14:48.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:48.49 | Shirik | and it's all like "Here's Hyjal, here's T4, here's T3" |
| 14:48.50 | nevcairiel | that button hurts |
| 14:48.54 | Shirik | s/3/5/ |
| 14:49.01 | Josh_Borke | !c us Stormreaver dagh |
| 14:49.03 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Dagh, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/2/45). 7391 HP; 7845 Mana; 162 mana regen; 24 mp5; 126 spell crit; 58 spell hit; 696 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (875); 179 shadow dmg (875); 4.82% dodge; 11 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1158 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywop75 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2syfc4 ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 11:01:36 2007 ]] |
| 14:49.12 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: would you consider that for an application? |
| 14:49.13 | Shirik | actually there are a few heroics I should probably do |
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| 14:49.55 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: probably not |
| 14:50.07 | Shirik | I might have to run these heroic SV now |
| 14:50.09 | Shirik | that'll work |
| 14:50.10 | Josh_Borke | need more spellstrike and heroics |
| 14:50.25 | Shirik | 3 gem slots too |
| 14:50.28 | nevcairiel | there are so many fights where you need sta gear |
| 14:51.02 | nevcairiel | like, my normal healing gear has like 9.6k HP raidbuffed (no imp) |
| 14:51.10 | Shirik | yeah that's the other thing I'm working on |
| 14:51.12 | nevcairiel | blue equiped just cant make that |
| 14:51.20 | Shirik | currently at 6300 unbuffed |
| 14:51.26 | Shirik | still trying to pull that up :/ |
| 14:52.28 | nevcairiel | wonder if i was still buffed when logging out |
| 14:52.34 | nevcairiel | !c eu antonidas nevcairiel |
| 14:52.36 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Nevcairiel, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/0/60). 8034 HP; 9110 Mana; 366 mana regen; 179 mp5; 4.56% melee crit; 1672 +heal; 5.25% dodge; 31 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 515 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqhy7q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32vjf8 ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 11:05:09 2007 ]] |
| 14:52.40 | nevcairiel | hm nah |
| 14:53.07 | nevcairiel | i need a new weapon :( |
| 14:53.18 | nevcairiel | stupid vashj wont drop the mace, and i am even top on dkp! |
| 14:53.22 | Shirik | I would really like those pants off that fire boss in mech |
| 14:53.29 | Shirik | but it's such a low drop rate, and nobody ever does her anyway |
| 14:53.36 | nevcairiel | not? |
| 14:53.40 | nevcairiel | she is so easy |
| 14:53.47 | Shirik | I thought so |
| 14:53.52 | Shirik | but it seems everyone wants to skip her |
| 14:53.53 | nevcairiel | ok, i can heal while running around |
| 14:53.54 | Shirik | only done it once :( |
| 14:54.03 | nevcairiel | other classes cant do that, thats a plus :P |
| 14:54.08 | Shirik | yeah |
| 14:54.15 | Shirik | the way I did it was a lot of shields, pom, and renew |
| 14:54.19 | Shirik | as much instant cast as I could |
| 14:54.27 | Shirik | when I got a chance, threw in a greater heal |
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| 14:54.47 | alestane | Firespouts popping up all over the floor or something? |
| 14:55.07 | nevcairiel | two elementals chasing random people |
| 14:55.10 | nevcairiel | or three on heroic |
| 14:55.12 | Shirik | This is where I'm at now... |
| 14:55.16 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 14:55.18 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 7131 HP; 8805 Mana; 431 mana regen; 129 mp5; 155 +spell dmg; 1144 +heal; 5.66% dodge;[[ TBR: 843 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 11:07:51 2007 ]] |
| 14:55.29 | Shirik | which is a significant improvement from where I was a week ago |
| 14:55.37 | Josh_Borke | !vsd us drenden kimina us stormreaver dagh |
| 14:55.38 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Kimina vs Dagh! Two 70 priests square off!; 23/38/0 vs 14/2/45; Dagh wins by 316 TBRs! -- Char1 Weights: HP=+1389.77, w:3 (c+0.30); +healing=+220.47, w:1 (c+0.10); dodge=+8.05, w:0.25 (c+0.02); crit==0, w:4; dmg==0, w:5; hit==0, w:0.25; +spelldmg=+1035.23, w:4 (c+0.40); resilience==0, w:5; Mana=+490.04, w:2 (c+0.20); +spelldmg/heal==0, w:4; Armour=+69.10, w:0.25 (c+0.02); |
| 14:55.38 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.41 | Shirik | ow |
| 14:55.47 | nevcairiel | vs debug? |
| 14:55.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:55.55 | Shirik | vsd == go to pms! |
| 14:56.40 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 14:56.40 | ThraeBot | Shirik: kimina vs jelly! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? kimina wins by 8658278 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 14:56.42 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 14:56.42 | ThraeBot | Sorry Shirik, you must wait 1 seconds before making another request. |
| 14:56.44 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 14:56.46 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 103 TBRs! |
| 14:56.53 | Shirik | so long as I still win, I'm ok with it :D |
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| 14:57.10 | Josh_Borke | as long as you beat jelly? lol |
| 14:57.14 | Shirik | yup :) |
| 14:57.28 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 14:57.28 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6621 HP; 9885 Mana; 375 mana regen; 128 mp5; 145 +spell dmg; 1678 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 18 resilience;[[ TBR: 740 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 11:09:20 2007 ]] |
| 14:57.46 | |Jelly| | self buffed, without cheating and logging out with trinkets. :\ |
| 14:58.10 | [dRaCo] | 6621 HP self buffed? |
| 14:58.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:58.23 | [dRaCo] | get some stamina. |
| 14:58.36 | |Jelly| | Was talking more about the +heal, tard. |
| 14:58.45 | |Jelly| | Don't have Fort, actually. |
| 14:58.48 | nevcairiel | you can selfbuff +heal? |
| 14:58.53 | [dRaCo] | spirit |
| 14:58.55 | |Jelly| | Yeah. |
| 14:59.09 | nevcairiel | ah yeah forgot about that |
| 14:59.31 | nevcairiel | thats the primal mooncloth crap, not one point of sta ;) |
| 14:59.50 | [dRaCo] | awesome stats, though |
| 14:59.50 | |Jelly| | Cause you shouldn't be getting hit. |
| 14:59.57 | |Jelly| | ...especially in Primal Mooncloth... |
| 15:00.11 | nevcairiel | go tell that najenthus in BT, who hits everyone for 8500 |
| 15:00.15 | nevcairiel | or Doomwalker |
| 15:00.15 | [dRaCo] | well, sometimes it cant be helped... |
| 15:00.19 | nevcairiel | who hits everyone for 8k |
| 15:00.19 | [dRaCo] | gruul |
| 15:00.20 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:00.33 | [dRaCo] | netherspite, even |
| 15:00.39 | |Jelly| | You don't think in a raid I can't get above 8500? |
| 15:00.45 | nevcairiel | netherspite isnt too bad |
| 15:00.47 | |Jelly| | Did Spite as well as Gruul yesterday. |
| 15:01.05 | |Jelly| | Doomwalker with another guild two weeks ago. |
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| 15:01.07 | |Jelly| | Shall I continue? |
| 15:01.08 | Shirik | 14(1011:5611:3114) 14(1115|Jelly|14) self buffed, without cheating and logging out with trinkets. :\ |
| 15:01.19 | Shirik | as shown, thraebot punishes cheaters |
| 15:01.26 | Shirik | if you pop trinkets before logging out your TBR goes down >.> |
| 15:01.28 | |Jelly| | Obviously. |
| 15:01.31 | |Jelly| | Cheater. |
| 15:02.05 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Yeah that's the one problem with primal mooncloth |
| 15:02.07 | Shirik | no stamina :( |
| 15:02.24 | Shirik | but to be perfectly honest... I'm losing next to nothing going to it |
| 15:02.25 | Shirik | which is really sad |
| 15:02.34 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:02.49 | Shirik | as a result, I'm forced to do stuff like +12 stam to boots, etc. |
| 15:02.55 | Shirik | I have a stam gem somewhere too... I think my gloves |
| 15:03.24 | nevcairiel | was just saying, in BT are some fights, where i yell at everyone who is below 10k hp, just to reduce some risks |
| 15:03.59 | |Jelly| | There's one guild on my server in BT. I'm not in it and they're all assholes so I really have no interest either. :P |
| 15:04.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:04.11 | Shirik | transfer to my server :) |
| 15:04.15 | Shirik | But they don't want healers anymore tbh :( |
| 15:04.41 | nevcairiel | yeah sure. shiriks guild will accept a second blue priest. maybe if you are better, they kick shirik =P |
| 15:04.47 | Shirik | .... |
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| 15:05.04 | ts|skrom_ | !c us uldum dalet |
| 15:05.06 | Shirik | hey, after tonight I'll be 50% purple, ok? |
| 15:05.06 | ThraeBot | ts|skrom_: Dalet, Level 48 Night Elf Druid (0/28/11). 2339 HP; 2059 Mana; 85 mana regen; 7.51% melee crit; 13.71% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 258 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2558aw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qchen ][ Updated: Wed Sep 12 11:17:40 2007 ]] |
| 15:05.16 | |Jelly| | Blue priest? : / |
| 15:05.36 | ts|skrom_ | is it okay to log out in cat form? or is that cheating too :P |
| 15:05.52 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us uldum dalet |
| 15:05.53 | nevcairiel | not that its important for your char |
| 15:05.53 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Dalet! Kimina has +22 lvls on Dalet (70 vs 48); A L70 priest and a L48 druid square off!; 23/38/0 vs 0/28/11; Kimina wins by 782 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:05.55 | Shirik | woot |
| 15:05.57 | ts|skrom_ | because then i'd have my 16% melee crit back :p |
| 15:06.02 | Shirik | amusingly I beat jelly by more |
| 15:06.08 | Shirik | !vs us eredar shirik us burning legion jelly |
| 15:06.11 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Shirik vs Jelly! A L70 hunter and a L70 priest square off!; 3/50/8 vs 23/38/0; Shirik wins by 871 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:06.13 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:06.24 | |Jelly| | Calculations are flawed. |
| 15:06.31 | ts|skrom_ | I've got leet ninja cat skeelz |
| 15:06.38 | nevcairiel | get on PTR and fight it out |
| 15:06.40 | nevcairiel | damnit. |
| 15:06.45 | Shirik | !vs us eredar shirik us uldum dalet |
| 15:06.45 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Shirik vs Dalet! Shirik has +22 lvls on Dalet (70 vs 48); A L70 hunter and a L48 druid square off!; 3/50/8 vs 0/28/11; Shirik wins by 1579 TBRs! ***OWNED TO THE EXTREME!!*** |
| 15:06.48 | Shirik | ow |
| 15:06.59 | Shirik | I can't get on PTR :( |
| 15:07.04 | nevcairiel | why not? :o |
| 15:07.09 | Shirik | "You ain't gots yous WoW installed yo!" |
| 15:07.12 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 15:07.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:07.22 | Shirik | Because I never installed it |
| 15:07.24 | Shirik | I just copied |
| 15:07.33 | Shirik | I need to find what registry key I need to add |
| 15:07.36 | nevcairiel | neither did i, not in this windows livetime at least |
| 15:07.38 | Shirik | (*cough* if anyone knows...) |
| 15:07.49 | Shirik | well at least I know that's what the addon kit says |
| 15:07.55 | Shirik | never tried ptr but I assumed it would do the same |
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| 15:08.08 | Shirik | I think Jelly vs me would be incredibly boring |
| 15:08.21 | nevcairiel | you have a funny addonkit |
| 15:08.24 | |Jelly| | Not as bad as 2 resto druids. |
| 15:08.31 | nevcairiel | i just reinstalled my windows last week |
| 15:08.35 | Josh_Borke | i dueled a druid for 10 minutes one time |
| 15:08.38 | nevcairiel | --> all keys gone |
| 15:08.42 | nevcairiel | and it still works |
| 15:08.50 | Shirik | ok I gotta go |
| 15:08.54 | Josh_Borke | bb shirik |
| 15:08.58 | Shirik | if Jelly's up for it tonight I'll duel her :P |
| 15:09.00 | alestane | WoW only adds one registry key which is the last location from which it was successfully run, or at least that's my understanding. |
| 15:09.02 | |Jelly| | When my shaman was resto, I gueled a holy paladin. I got three mana tides. :\ |
| 15:09.11 | Shirik | alestane: WoW can't do that on Vista with UAC |
| 15:09.15 | Josh_Borke | yea, i got 2 bubbles in the battle with the druid |
| 15:09.16 | Shirik | so it won't get it in there, ever |
| 15:09.18 | |Jelly| | s/gueled/dueled/ |
| 15:09.26 | nevcairiel | that might be the reason Shirik ;) |
| 15:09.28 | Shirik | which is why I need to know where it needs to go and do it myself |
| 15:09.42 | |Jelly| | If you find out, let me know Shirik. |
| 15:09.47 | Shirik | okies :) |
| 15:09.50 | alestane | Take a look on another machine that's not Vista. |
| 15:10.00 | |Jelly| | If I had one. :\ |
| 15:10.09 | Josh_Borke | i could look tonight |
| 15:10.13 | alestane | Or turn off UAC long enough to run WoW once, then put it back on. |
| 15:10.20 | Shirik|AFK | or run as an administrator |
| 15:10.22 | Shirik|AFK | but I'm lazy |
| 15:10.52 | alestane | Your option is probably better, less potential security leak. |
| 15:12.02 | cog|work | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1774935 |
| 15:12.11 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: do you live in the usa? |
| 15:12.17 | cog|work | aye |
| 15:12.18 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: pretty sure ptr is different |
| 15:12.20 | cog|work | california |
| 15:12.21 | Josh_Borke | kk |
| 15:13.49 | |Jelly| | Cog. I just face palm'd. Thanks. |
| 15:13.56 | alestane | cog|work: /brainscrub |
| 15:18.44 | cog|work | No PC should be withOUT it! |
| 15:19.11 | alestane | In 1988, perhaps. |
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| 15:21.29 | alestane | My bad, v5.0 came out in '91. |
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| 15:46.07 | Valaron|Work | 5 days later, I finally got past that first boss in Prince of Persia Rival Swords for the Wii. |
| 15:47.07 | Kaydeethree | ouch |
| 15:48.45 | Valaron|Work | I was getting a little jumpy, and it translated to the game too early. |
| 15:49.02 | Valaron|Work | Super sensitive controls :P |
| 15:51.29 | Josh_Borke | ~joshborke |
| 15:51.30 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. |
| 15:51.56 | Josh_Borke | no purl, joshborke is <reply> Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
| 15:52.16 | Josh_Borke | ~dict ad hominem |
| 15:52.39 | Josh_Borke | ~joshborke |
| 15:52.40 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. |
| 15:52.55 | Josh_Borke | purl, joshborke is also And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
| 15:52.56 | purl | Josh_Borke: okay |
| 15:52.58 | Josh_Borke | ~joshborke |
| 15:52.59 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
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| 16:12.01 | Valaron|Work | Ugh.. It's only Wednesday. |
| 16:12.45 | Kaydeethree | hm... there may actually be a problem with the new macro parser, but I'm having a hard time recreating the issue |
| 16:12.49 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531087048&sid=1 |
| 16:13.47 | cryogen | Valaron|Work: on the plus side it's thursday tomorrow |
| 16:13.59 | Valaron|Work | Thursday is my long day. |
| 16:14.12 | cryogen | but its the day before friday |
| 16:14.30 | cog|work | emphasis on the "before" |
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| 16:14.41 | cryogen | half empty, eh? :p |
| 16:15.18 | Valaron|Work | This week I am. |
| 16:15.20 | Valaron|Work | Yeah |
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| 16:27.20 | raevanmorlock | So I'm looking at the images used in the Character Panel and all those slots for equipment are already built into the image.. does anyone know if anyone else has extracted all that stuff already and posted versions with just the barebones stuff (icon circle, titlebar, button border, frame border, background) so we can use teh same window layout with our own content on it? |
| 16:27.55 | cog|work | there are plenty of frames besides the character panel that you can adapt |
| 16:28.17 | cog|work | also you can use texture coordinates to pick specific parts of a texture to show in a given spot |
| 16:28.49 | cog|work | If you want a simple example, take a look at my BuyDropper addon. It uses two different textures to recreate the stack split frame |
| 16:29.46 | raevanmorlock | Well I guess I assumed they'd all be like that... I could use coords, but I'd have a gaping whole in the middle where all their specialized content is at |
| 16:30.15 | cog|work | Right, but then you can just fill that with some background texture |
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| 16:47.34 | Shirik|Ecole | there's a name I haven't seen in a while |
| 16:48.01 | raevanmorlock | Yes... I've been MIA |
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| 17:02.12 | raevanmorlock | All the people taking it so seriously is pretty funny. |
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| 17:14.53 | alestane | So apparently this traffic is flagging things on IT's end here at work and they need me to cut it out. |
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| 17:15.40 | alestane | So I'll see folks when I get home most likely. |
| 17:15.43 | art3mis | tell them to not suck so much |
| 17:15.58 | JoshBorke | bb alestane |
| 17:16.00 | alestane | Yes, well, I doubt I'd get very far that way. |
| 17:16.12 | Beladona | Woo! Irc on my ipjone, this is hawt |
| 17:16.14 | Thunder_Child | use a web irc client |
| 17:16.16 | art3mis | also mention that because they monitor and regulate they are liable if you were to accidently download gigs of child porn and they'd go to jail just as easily as you ;) |
| 17:16.17 | Thunder_Child | >< |
| 17:16.36 | Beladona | Except the keyboard is tiny |
| 17:16.51 | art3mis | you should be used to that scale by now ;) |
| 17:16.53 | Rallion | Heh, "Was the option to sound like a female left out?" is a seriously funny question. |
| 17:16.55 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 17:16.56 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 17:17.00 | Thunder_Child | that, or you got a knockoff iphone called ipjone |
| 17:17.16 | art3mis | TC: i kind of want the price on that nix phone to come down |
| 17:17.23 | art3mis | that thing is seriously awesome |
| 17:17.27 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 17:17.36 | art3mis | Green phone or something |
| 17:17.37 | JoshBorke | what's an ipjone? |
| 17:17.48 | Thunder_Child | "(10:16:33) (Beladona) Woo! Irc on my ipjone, this is hawt" |
| 17:18.38 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 17:18.49 | art3mis | hehe i was thinking jphone |
| 17:18.52 | art3mis | jp == jap |
| 17:19.02 | art3mis | and 1 up from iphone ;P |
| 17:19.22 | JoshBorke | it's more better! |
| 17:19.28 | art3mis | more gooder! |
| 17:19.29 | Valaron|Work | more better |
| 17:19.43 | Valaron|Work | I am devastated. |
| 17:19.59 | JoshBorke | can i have your stuff? |
| 17:20.18 | art3mis | "ya know i was thinking they other day, what possessed the japanese people to name a car something they can't pronouce" *quiet audience* "the toyota corolla" *laughs* |
| 17:20.41 | Rallion | lolz. |
| 17:20.46 | Rallion | corora! |
| 17:20.50 | art3mis | heh |
| 17:20.53 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:21.16 | art3mis | thats one of the funniest single sentence jokes ive ever heard |
| 17:21.35 | Rallion | LOTR Online has a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP option |
| 17:21.39 | art3mis | best punchline evah: Rectum? damn near killed 'em |
| 17:22.50 | Rallion | yow...the lifetime membership costs $300 |
| 17:23.00 | art3mis | thats not bad |
| 17:23.10 | art3mis | if wow had that option i'd have totlly taken it |
| 17:23.22 | art3mis | >>> 15 * 12 |
| 17:23.22 | Cide | art3mis: 180 |
| 17:23.32 | Thunder_Child | thats because you have prolly spent more than that on it already |
| 17:23.39 | art3mis | its only 2 years |
| 17:23.46 | art3mis | but yeah |
| 17:23.56 | raevanmorlock | Would you have taken it then or would you look back now wishing that you had? |
| 17:23.57 | art3mis | i would have done it originally too ;P |
| 17:23.59 | Rallion | I dunno If I'd play LOTRO for the two years it would take to make up for that |
| 17:24.02 | Thunder_Child | 140 if you pay 12 months in 2 payments |
| 17:24.42 | art3mis | yeah i pay in 6months |
| 17:24.45 | Thunder_Child | it's smart of blizz not to offer it i think |
| 17:24.55 | art3mis | yup yup |
| 17:25.11 | art3mis | they need to price drop to sucker more people in |
| 17:25.21 | raevanmorlock | I still think Blizz needs a 24-hour payment option |
| 17:25.24 | Thunder_Child | but think of the cash cow that would be.....300 * 6million |
| 17:25.28 | Rallion | It's just such a big chunk of change to pay UP FRONT. |
| 17:25.48 | art3mis | non TBC 9.95/mn TBC 13.95/mn WoTLK 15.95/mn |
| 17:26.02 | Cidan | That's stupid |
| 17:26.02 | Rallion | I mean, you pay less if you pay cash for a car, but almost nobody ever does that. |
| 17:26.06 | Cidan | who would UPGRADE to pay MORE? |
| 17:26.12 | Cidan | you should do that in reverse |
| 17:26.19 | art3mis | cidan: same people that boughtthe new content ;P |
| 17:26.22 | cladhaire | i'd buy lifetime membership for wow in an instant, if it included expansions |
| 17:26.35 | Thunder_Child | the cost of? |
| 17:26.42 | art3mis | cladhaire: well going on the assumption you'd still have to buy the gamwe.. |
| 17:26.54 | art3mis | cidan: not really |
| 17:26.56 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:27.14 | art3mis | cidan: think of it this way, most botters pwoer levelers and gold sellers would only have the 9.95 option to boost profit |
| 17:27.23 | art3mis | it would be WAY easier to catch the botters ;) |
| 17:27.25 | Cidan | That's just silly |
| 17:27.29 | JoshBorke | geebus |
| 17:27.33 | JoshBorke | wearing suits takes a lot out of you |
| 17:27.38 | Cidan | And a very stupid business model, too. |
| 17:27.47 | art3mis | no you're stupid |
| 17:28.08 | Cidan | You don't screw the legit players out of money every month just to get farmers. |
| 17:28.19 | art3mis | sure ya do |
| 17:28.28 | art3mis | *cough* linux user bans |
| 17:28.30 | Cidan | No, you don't. That's a reverse model which fails. |
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| 17:28.36 | Cidan | ie: RIAA MPAA |
| 17:28.47 | Kaydeethree | screw the mafiaa |
| 17:28.52 | art3mis | no thats going after people for ungodly sums of money ;P |
| 17:28.53 | Beladona | so much for that |
| 17:28.55 | Beladona | stupid iPhone IRC disconnects when you get a call |
| 17:29.01 | Beladona | pos |
| 17:29.01 | Cidan | lulz. |
| 17:29.04 | art3mis | haha |
| 17:29.05 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 17:29.06 | Rallion | i'm about to click and pay $30 to activate my LOTRO account...hmmm |
| 17:29.13 | art3mis | phear the iphones amazing BW! |
| 17:29.14 | Cidan | Rallion, have you played the demo? |
| 17:29.16 | JoshBorke | Beladona: owned |
| 17:29.17 | Rallion | yeah |
| 17:29.18 | Thunder_Child | add a 0 for lifetime fun |
| 17:29.22 | Beladona | well its a 3rd party app |
| 17:29.26 | Cidan | Rallion, How far did you get? |
| 17:29.29 | Beladona | I am sure its the developer's fault |
| 17:29.35 | art3mis | hehe get lifetime! |
| 17:29.45 | art3mis | at least your account will hold it's 300$ value longer |
| 17:29.47 | Beladona | especially since the iphone supports suspending things during a call, like music |
| 17:29.52 | art3mis | when you decide to sell it because it's ass |
| 17:30.07 | Rallion | Cidan, I'm level...uh...14ish, I think. I actually only played for like 2 of the 7 days. |
| 17:30.13 | art3mis | and itll be worth even more when they remove the option next year ;) |
| 17:30.15 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 17:30.22 | Cidan | Well, just make sure you like it, I guess. |
| 17:30.25 | Rallion | and I spent a lot of that time farming. |
| 17:30.33 | Rallion | yay for pipeweed |
| 17:30.49 | Beladona | LOTRO is fun because it is LOTR, beyond that I couldn't get hooked |
| 17:30.54 | art3mis | you spent time on yer 7day trial farming? |
| 17:31.00 | Rallion | true story. |
| 17:31.08 | Thunder_Child | farmer! |
| 17:31.09 | art3mis | and you're considering paying for it? |
| 17:31.12 | art3mis | to farm more? |
| 17:31.18 | Rallion | i know, it's crazy |
| 17:31.25 | art3mis | lemme find the clue hammer a sec. |
| 17:31.38 | Thunder_Child | at least that weed is legal |
| 17:31.40 | Kaydeethree | bah. go directly to the clue-by-four |
| 17:31.53 | art3mis | Kaydeethree: 5lb hammer > 2x4 ;) |
| 17:32.03 | art3mis | err cluex4 |
| 17:32.18 | art3mis | it's the same one we play frozen hammer tag with |
| 17:32.20 | Thunder_Child | Cx4* |
| 17:32.40 | art3mis | if you get "tagged" with it, you're frozen |
| 17:32.47 | Rallion | The thing about LOTR...I can get excited so easily by it |
| 17:33.02 | Rallion | I'm all like OMGWTFBQ IT's BAG-END!!! |
| 17:33.11 | art3mis | wow |
| 17:33.14 | Thunder_Child | BQ or BBQ? |
| 17:33.29 | Rallion | so excited I mis-type my internet cliches! |
| 17:33.41 | Thunder_Child | ah..i was just wondering if there was something new i missed |
| 17:34.25 | Rallion | meh, I'll buy it. $30 is nothing and it gets me the "free" month, and if I regret it, well, whatever, I regret a lot of financial decisions. |
| 17:34.57 | Thunder_Child | yea..that hooker with the STD was one.... |
| 17:35.11 | Rallion | well, no, she was free. |
| 17:35.22 | Thunder_Child | i guess you got what you paid for then |
| 17:35.57 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone else feel like Metallica's music is just a bunch of white noise? |
| 17:36.18 | Rallion | sometimes, yes. |
| 17:36.25 | Thunder_Child | no, whine noise is calming and good...metallica is not calming and good |
| 17:36.29 | Thunder_Child | white* |
| 17:36.46 | Rallion | black noise! |
| 17:36.59 | raevanmorlock | Maybe you just have it turned up too loud, TC |
| 17:37.13 | Thunder_Child | i dont have it turned on at all |
| 17:37.45 | raevanmorlock | >_< ... I'm trying to decide if I like anything of theirs.. but all the songs just pass me by without being able to form a decision |
| 17:38.15 | Cidan | Metallica is crap. |
| 17:38.18 | Cidan | Always has been |
| 17:38.20 | Cidan | always will be. |
| 17:38.46 | raevanmorlock | Most likely. |
| 17:41.41 | cog|work | No music is crap |
| 17:41.57 | cog|work | you can not like something, but music is one of the most subjective experiences in existence |
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| 17:42.50 | cog|work | but re: Metallica, they actually have some pretty good melodies |
| 17:42.52 | cog|work | imo |
| 17:43.04 | art3mis | http://news.aol.com/story/_a/russia-tests-powerful-dad-of-all-bombs/20070912085109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 |
| 17:43.12 | cog|work | any hard rock will include a lot of white noise, but that's part of its appeal to some |
| 17:43.18 | art3mis | While the U.S. bomb is equivalent to 11 tons of TNT, the Russian one is equivalent to 44 tons of regular explosives. The Russian weapon's blast radius is 990 feet, twice as big as that of the U.S. design, the report said. |
| 17:43.36 | art3mis | good god |
| 17:44.17 | art3mis | oh and putin dissolved the russia govt |
| 17:44.21 | art3mis | yay! |
| 17:44.37 | Kaydeethree | meh, from what I've been hearing is that the PM resigned and the rest of the gov't more or less walked out |
| 17:44.43 | cog|work | i didn't know where was anything to dissolve... |
| 17:46.30 | Cidan | eh |
| 17:46.52 | Cidan | not that big of a deal. |
| 17:47.02 | Cidan | It's common in many countries just before elections. |
| 17:47.24 | Cidan | The constitution of russia allows it |
| 17:54.28 | cog|work | I think the word "government" was a bad choice... perhaps "administration" would've been more appropriate? |
| 17:55.10 | Thunder_Child | vid of the test if your interested http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/vacuum-bomb/vacuum-bomb-ushers-in-cold-war-20-299012.php?autoplay=true |
| 17:55.34 | Cidan | That would be better, yes. |
| 17:56.41 | Cidan | Hunter - pet = sucks ass |
| 17:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602230801&sid=1 <-- epic thread |
| 17:58.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Warning: General Forums link above |
| 18:00.02 | Kirkburn | Btw, for any student - Microsoft is doing an incredibly cheap Office Ultimate 2007 offer for $60 - http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070913/office-ultimate-steal/ |
| 18:00.29 | Cidan | Why would you touch Office 2007? |
| 18:00.35 | Kaydeethree | indeed |
| 18:00.41 | Cidan | I'd rather use Notepad than Office 2007 |
| 18:00.45 | Kirkburn | Wow |
| 18:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Because all of the stores are no longer selling 2003 |
| 18:00.49 | Cidan | Though really, I just stick to open office |
| 18:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | MS "Orders" |
| 18:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | They simply stopped shipping them |
| 18:00.55 | Kirkburn | Just ... wow |
| 18:01.15 | cog|work | Cidan: your prejudice continues to astound me |
| 18:01.16 | Kirkburn | Have you actually even tried Office 2007, or do you often spout crap? :) |
| 18:01.22 | Cidan | No. |
| 18:01.34 | Kirkburn | *shock* |
| 18:01.35 | Cidan | We're forced to use Office 2007 in school. |
| 18:01.42 | Cidan | It's pure shit. |
| 18:01.51 | Kirkburn | Incredible. |
| 18:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirkburn, yeah, I have. And it doesn't work with the software at work *at all* due to changes in how the macros work. As far as all of the employees are concerned, it's nothing short of 100% broken. :) |
| 18:02.02 | Cidan | Version's before it, were just fine, great in fact. |
| 18:02.09 | Kirkburn | You can have your opinion, it's just a pity it's wrong :) |
| 18:02.29 | Kirkburn | Huh? I have never heard of anything like that |
| 18:02.38 | Cidan | Kirkburn, quit being snide. |
| 18:02.44 | cog|work | Cidan: you have a combination of MSism and "get off my lawn"itis |
| 18:02.49 | Cidan | No way. |
| 18:02.53 | Cidan | I love Vista. |
| 18:03.03 | Valaron|Work | lawl |
| 18:03.11 | Cidan | and I do like a lot of other MS products. |
| 18:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I would love Vista too, if I actually spent the money on a copy. |
| 18:03.27 | Kirkburn | Snide? Sorry, but I come here to tell everyone of a great offer, and what was your reply exactly? |
| 18:03.28 | Cidan | Office 2007 has just gone down the shitter. |
| 18:03.39 | cog|work | The ribbon is much more intuitive than the old toolbar + menu carp |
| 18:03.43 | cog|work | crap* |
| 18:03.59 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 18:04.00 | Cidan | Absolutely not, I disagree. |
| 18:04.00 | cog|work | plus there's all kinds of new goodies |
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| 18:04.33 | cog|work | Cidan: that's the "get off my lawn" part :P I used to feel the same way about the XP theme but once I got used to it, i started hating the traditional 95 theme |
| 18:04.45 | Kirkburn | The ribbon isn't intuitive? What's wrong with it?? |
| 18:04.47 | Cidan | I dislike the XP theme though. |
| 18:04.52 | Cidan | Go figure. |
| 18:04.59 | cog|work | ... exactly |
| 18:05.02 | Valaron|Work | I still use the Win2000 theme. |
| 18:05.06 | Valaron|Work | Classic |
| 18:05.07 | Cidan | I use the old 95/98/2000 theme |
| 18:05.12 | Cidan | Start menu theme, that is. |
| 18:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirkburn, it's different, and it's not pixel by pixel identical to the books that my graduating class was taught out of. ("Click here to do X, click over here to do Y") |
| 18:05.27 | cog|work | using it is one thing... calling the new one crap is taking it too far |
| 18:05.39 | Cidan | It's crap. |
| 18:05.41 | Valaron|Work | What's Microsoft Office Groove? What does it do? |
| 18:06.29 | Cidan | Isn't it some sort of file sync something or another? |
| 18:07.06 | Cidan | I never really used it, so I have no comment on it. |
| 18:07.09 | Thunder_Child | "Create collaborative workspaces to share files and work on projects with your team members using Microsoft Office Groove." |
| 18:07.24 | cog|work | Cidan: calling the ribbon unintuitive is a non sequitur. You are /used to/ the old interface and it is /unfamiliar/ to you. Relative to your experiences it is unintuitive because it's not what you're comfortable with. In absolute terms, however, (computer n00bs being the most important factor) the ribbon makes much more sense |
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| 18:07.56 | cog|work | You can't call it crap just like I won't call the old way crap |
| 18:08.19 | Valaron|Work | It's project sharing type of thing? |
| 18:08.29 | cog|work | (well, you can /call/ it crap all you want... but you're still wrong in the same way that I would be wrong for calling some genre of music crap) |
| 18:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Five years down the line, I'd bet that only your grandparents are running XP, and XP will be about as common as 2000/98. It's the same thing with ALL Microsoft products (less their server line) |
| 18:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything sucks, everything is bloated, everything was needlessly changed, it's all different and buggy, etc |
| 18:10.09 | Cidan | That's where we split lines. Something being crap is all up to the person who uses it. Nothing is universally "crap", except maybe Plumbers Don't Wear Ties. |
| 18:10.22 | Cidan | Therefore, when I say it's crap, you may think it's great. |
| 18:10.53 | Cidan | However, to quote Kirkburn, You can have your opinion, it's just a pity it's wrong. |
| 18:11.01 | Cidan | Back to leveling hunter! |
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| 18:12.12 | Lunessa | Hello Kitty is the spawn of Satan! |
| 18:12.26 | Cidan | :( |
| 18:12.28 | Cidan | Is not! |
| 18:12.48 | Lunessa | Is so. |
| 18:12.56 | Cidan | noottt |
| 18:13.02 | Lunessa | too |
| 18:13.26 | Cidan | nooooottttt |
| 18:13.26 | cog|work | Cidan: The thing is, I used to suffer from MSism and get-off-my-lawn-itis too. I know its symptoms and I recognize them in you to the t |
| 18:14.14 | Cidan | cog|work, and if you think everyone functions and works as you do/did, well, that's your problem, not mine I guess. |
| 18:14.38 | Lunessa | Hey you kids! Git off'en my lawn. |
| 18:14.49 | cog|work | You make judgments based on first impressions which closes your mind to learning how to use the new interface as effectively as possible. This allows you to reaffirm its crappiness in your mind because you don't feel like you're seeing any advantage |
| 18:15.19 | Cidan | I've had to use it almost every day, thank you very much. |
| 18:15.32 | cog|work | I'm not trying to imply that you are wrong for being that way... the only thing I really object to is matter-of-factly calling it crap |
| 18:15.39 | cog|work | I hate it |
| 18:15.47 | cog|work | would be better |
| 18:15.48 | Cidan | Again, don't reaffirm your argument on the basis that you think you know me, who I am, and what I do. |
| 18:15.57 | Cidan | To me, it is crap. |
| 18:16.03 | Cidan | I dislike it, very much so. |
| 18:16.09 | Cidan | Leave it at that, por favor. |
| 18:16.13 | cog|work | to that I wolud say good for you :P |
| 18:16.22 | cog|work | I just can't stand people stating their opinions as facts |
| 18:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work, you suck |
| 18:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 18:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work, you suck. |
| 18:16.51 | Cidan | It is crap though. |
| 18:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't resist, it was too easy ;P |
| 18:17.21 | buu | Pssh, opinions are facts, for what facts can we truly know?! |
| 18:17.48 | Shirik|Ecole | don't go all ToK on my ass |
| 18:17.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I had a year of that |
| 18:17.57 | Lunessa | Hey you kids! Git off'en my lawn. |
| 18:17.57 | Shirik|Ecole | it was long enough |
| 18:17.58 | Kaydeethree | bah, where's the wowwiki article on creating arbitrary item links? |
| 18:19.41 | cog|work | Cidan: now that I think about my reaction more, I think my point is to keep you from corrupting people who haven't yet had a chance to form an opinion for themselves... I dislike the spread of prejudice. |
| 18:20.04 | Cidan | Whew, that's something you can't stop the spread of. |
| 18:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc, ping, rogue friend with an omen bug on Leotheras last night, his aggro never reset... from him: interface\addons\omeon\libs\sink-1.0\[sink-1.0.lua:552:] attemp to index global 'sinks' (a nil value) |
| 18:20.13 | Cidan | People will have it, and others will absorb it. |
| 18:20.26 | cog|work | Cidan: yep. but i can try to stop people from presenting it |
| 18:20.45 | cog|work | "there will always be theft in the world" cannot be used as a justification to steal |
| 18:21.01 | Cidan | Quite frankly, if anyone is stupid enough to take my word, or your word, and not try it out -- they deserve what they get. |
| 18:21.07 | Cidan | I have no pity for the sheep of the world. |
| 18:21.17 | ts|skrom_ | if you are already a thief can it be used as a justification for keepign the status quo? :D |
| 18:21.25 | raevanmorlock | You can't stop people from spreading it.. you can only offer a counter-argument to the masses |
| 18:21.26 | cog|work | I try to turn sheep into wolves... the whole teaching a man to fish and all |
| 18:21.46 | Cidan | In my experience, people who are sheep and of age don't care to become wolves |
| 18:21.47 | ts|skrom_ | *DING DING DING* Emo buzzword alert! Detected: Sheep |
| 18:21.58 | Lunessa | "People are fools and incompetents. This justifies my misleading them." - There's an age-old justification which is wrong on all counts. |
| 18:22.02 | Cidan | Lest something life-changing happens. |
| 18:22.29 | cog|work | like running into someone who challenges their preconceptions :P |
| 18:22.57 | Cidan | I find that rarely works in older people |
| 18:23.26 | raevanmorlock | I kinda missed teh discussion.. but, my two cents.. I really loved 2007 over 98. I could never go back. I'm not sure I've ever used '03 though. |
| 18:23.47 | ts|skrom_ | I like 2009 personally |
| 18:23.51 | ts|skrom_ | oops I've said too much >< |
| 18:24.04 | cog|work | 95-03 were basically cosmetic changes and a few individual features |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik|Ecole | 2007 what? |
| 18:24.27 | Shirik|Ecole | what did I miss? |
| 18:24.28 | cog|work | office |
| 18:24.31 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 18:24.37 | Shirik|Ecole | right now I'm using wordpad |
| 18:24.38 | Shirik|Ecole | yey |
| 18:24.56 | Shirik|Ecole | what's new with 2007? I considered picking it up |
| 18:25.07 | ts|skrom_ | it eats babies |
| 18:25.09 | ts|skrom_ | according to some |
| 18:25.10 | Cidan | it does indeed. |
| 18:25.10 | raevanmorlock | They replaced the menu/toolbar concept with a ribbon |
| 18:25.18 | Shirik|Ecole | huh? |
| 18:25.23 | Cidan | There is no more tool bar |
| 18:25.26 | Cidan | ie: file, menu, etc |
| 18:25.26 | Shirik|Ecole | how? |
| 18:25.28 | raevanmorlock | Look up screenshots.. you'll see |
| 18:25.28 | Cidan | it's more like... |
| 18:25.31 | ts|skrom_ | apparently it also does some kind of tailoring? |
| 18:25.39 | ts|skrom_ | I'm not sure, I'm zoning in and out |
| 18:25.41 | Cidan | a "pretty" version of a tool bar |
| 18:25.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I love how I can just guess at URLs and it works |
| 18:25.57 | Cidan | themed, with big easy descriptive buttons grouped into catagories |
| 18:25.58 | raevanmorlock | ha |
| 18:26.01 | Shirik|Ecole | http://microsoft.com/office I typed in, it redirects me to where I wanted to go :D |
| 18:26.11 | raevanmorlock | well MS is smart like that |
| 18:26.36 | ts|skrom_ | http://www.microsoft.com/babyeater didn't work :( |
| 18:26.51 | art3mis | man that downy spray wrinkle remover stuff is so amazingly awesome |
| 18:26.55 | Cidan | I was about to say you wouldn't like it Shirik |
| 18:26.57 | raevanmorlock | It's a little difficult at times to find something because it's been moved into this new architecture... but it's nicer overall. |
| 18:27.01 | Cidan | But then I realized you like UAC, so, uh, :D |
| 18:27.12 | raevanmorlock | imo |
| 18:27.25 | art3mis | vista is pretty |
| 18:27.27 | ts|skrom_ | Good thing you said that raevanmorlock the opinion police were knocking at your door |
| 18:27.30 | art3mis | thats about it |
| 18:27.39 | raevanmorlock | ts|skrom_: yes.. that's why I threw it in there :) |
| 18:27.42 | art3mis | oh and it plays wow gooder |
| 18:27.48 | art3mis | on my laptop anyways |
| 18:27.57 | cog|work | <3 vista's start menu |
| 18:28.04 | cog|work | and the lack of "My" on everything |
| 18:28.24 | Cidan | here's a neat trick |
| 18:28.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Vista's start menu is actually somewhat nice |
| 18:28.34 | Cidan | open windows task manager |
| 18:28.37 | cog|work | I hate talking to people saying "Open up My Computer" and they say "How do i open your computer?" |
| 18:28.39 | Shirik|Ecole | and you can ctrl+shift any search command to make it work |
| 18:28.41 | raevanmorlock | I used Vista briefly at school... I'd get it, but my computer would probably take a huge dump on it and die forever and always. So I'm waiting until I can afford to upgrade everything. |
| 18:28.42 | art3mis | im more a right click manu type person |
| 18:28.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I hate clicking, period |
| 18:28.55 | art3mis | menu |
| 18:28.57 | Cidan | and double click anywhere on the blank space of the window, ie: next to a tab, but not the tab it self. |
| 18:28.57 | Thunder_Child | gah, 1K for an underwater housing for my camera |
| 18:29.32 | art3mis | good thing you like in the desert |
| 18:29.42 | ts|skrom_ | don't get mad Thunder_Child get Glad(tm) |
| 18:29.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ts|skrom_ |
| 18:29.50 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking ts|skrom_'s head off |
| 18:30.06 | art3mis | watch out for the creepy albino though |
| 18:30.06 | ts|skrom_ | 'oy not me 'ead! |
| 18:30.14 | Lunessa | I'll say this one good thing for Microsoft - They understand that they should make multiple entry points to a functions. I like that I can learn a way that works for me and quit worrying about it. |
| 18:30.42 | Shirik|Ecole | you mean like their APIs? |
| 18:31.32 | Lunessa | I meant in their UI. |
| 18:31.56 | Shirik|Ecole | oh you mean like |
| 18:31.59 | raevanmorlock | Like how you can access the same command via the toolbar, menu, and right-click menu? |
| 18:31.59 | Lunessa | Right+click, Menu Options, Keyboard, and more ways that probably escape me. |
| 18:32.09 | Shirik|Ecole | format->paragraph->bold, or ctrl+bold, or right click-bold |
| 18:32.12 | Shirik|Ecole | or toolbar->bold |
| 18:32.13 | raevanmorlock | yeah |
| 18:32.25 | raevanmorlock | or ribbon->bold! woot |
| 18:32.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I agree |
| 18:32.39 | Lunessa | The understand that different people will interact with the machine in differing ways and try to accommodate that. |
| 18:32.44 | Shirik|Ecole | easy for people to use, yet complex enough that people like me who want to do everything in 5 seconds by typing |
| 18:32.47 | Shirik|Ecole | and not finding my mouse |
| 18:32.48 | Shirik|Ecole | it works too |
| 18:33.05 | Shirik|Ecole | windows+e = win too :) |
| 18:33.16 | Shirik|Ecole | p.s., cog|work |
| 18:33.23 | Shirik|Ecole | that's what I say to people, not "open my computer" |
| 18:33.43 | raevanmorlock | "open my computer" is hilarious though |
| 18:33.53 | Cidan | Windows+D |
| 18:33.54 | Cidan | too |
| 18:33.56 | art3mis | click on yer desktop is another good one |
| 18:33.57 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 18:34.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that is a nice one |
| 18:34.05 | cladhaire | windows-r |
| 18:34.11 | Cidan | Yup, that too |
| 18:34.14 | Shirik|Ecole | yup |
| 18:34.16 | Cidan | Windows + L |
| 18:34.17 | cladhaire | specifically |
| 18:34.18 | Shirik|Ecole | except not in vist |
| 18:34.18 | Cidan | as well. |
| 18:34.18 | Shirik|Ecole | a |
| 18:34.21 | cladhaire | windows-r cmd |
| 18:34.27 | cladhaire | so i can have my gnu utils. |
| 18:34.30 | Shirik|Ecole | in vista I tend to do windows, type, enter |
| 18:34.35 | Shirik|Ecole | because you can't windows+r into administrator |
| 18:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc, probably should have included the revision numbers with that... omen r46673 and threat r48632. Ping back if you feel the need. |
| 18:34.45 | Shirik|Ecole | but you can hit windows (start menu), type, ctrl+shift+enter |
| 18:34.51 | Shirik|Ecole | and it puts you in elevated |
| 18:35.02 | Shirik|Ecole | or get start++ and do "sudo" ^^ |
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| 18:35.21 | Cidan | The idea of not running as an elevated/system user is a great idea |
| 18:35.33 | cladhaire | yeah, one that's been in existance for 27 years or so :P |
| 18:35.42 | Cidan | But Microsoft fails so hard at doing it properly |
| 18:35.56 | cladhaire | i don't hate on microsoft |
| 18:36.07 | cladhaire | i just can't exist without my posix environment. |
| 18:36.14 | Cidan | Nor can I |
| 18:36.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Cidan: They did it perfectly |
| 18:36.30 | Shirik|Ecole | They did it in such a way that stupid users can use it |
| 18:36.33 | Cidan | excuse me |
| 18:36.34 | Cidan | hold |
| 18:36.36 | raevanmorlock | I was visiting home the other day.. and it occured to me that everyone in the family shares the computer and they all password-protect their accounts... but they're all admins so they could easily change/remove each other's passwords and sign on as each other and do whatever. |
| 18:36.37 | art3mis | cladhaire: thats too bad, we'll miss you ;P |
| 18:36.43 | Cidan | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 18:36.45 | raevanmorlock | I refrained from telling them that though. |
| 18:36.46 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:36.50 | Shirik|Ecole | what's wrong with the way they did it? |
| 18:36.54 | Cidan | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:36.59 | Shirik|Ecole | answer the question, don't avoid it |
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| 18:37.22 | Cidan | Gee |
| 18:37.25 | Cidan | where do we start |
| 18:37.25 | Shirik|Ecole | no answer? |
| 18:37.34 | MentalPower | raevanmorlock: if the have set their files as "private" then that won't fully work |
| 18:38.07 | Shirik|Ecole | you're running out of time, my lab's almost over |
| 18:38.08 | Cidan | Program Files access, UAC pop ups (though not TOO bad in a sense, it's an issue with how often they show up) |
| 18:38.09 | Shirik|Ecole | better hurry up |
| 18:38.11 | raevanmorlock | MentalPower: Is that possible under XP Home Edition? |
| 18:38.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Cidan: Would you rather everything have such access? |
| 18:38.39 | art3mis | its a mentally retarded protection scheme |
| 18:38.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Because Microsoft has said since before XP that programs should not be modifying those files |
| 18:38.52 | Shirik|Ecole | they should be using %APPDATA% |
| 18:38.52 | art3mis | if someone is gonna answer yes to it once theyll answer yes to it later |
| 18:38.57 | MentalPower | raevanmorlock: dunno, I tend to stay away from the stuff :) |
| 18:38.59 | Cidan | No, I'd rather Windows have a better structure to their paths |
| 18:39.04 | Shirik|Ecole | they do |
| 18:39.09 | Shirik|Ecole | it's programmers that don't have a clue what they're doing |
| 18:39.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Linux programmers don't store their program data in /bin, do they? |
| 18:39.26 | Cidan | I can agree with you somewhat there. |
| 18:39.36 | Cidan | Windows programmers do seem to fail. |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik|Ecole | And now that Vista has gone into a lockdown sense, programmers are finally realizing "hey I really do suck" |
| 18:40.01 | Shirik|Ecole | and complaining at Microsoft for it instead |
| 18:40.12 | Cidan | Except it somewhat fails |
| 18:40.18 | Cidan | ie: I can install into /usr/local |
| 18:40.21 | art3mis | well stop emailing them shirik ;P |
| 18:40.31 | raevanmorlock | You guys have an article on what you're talking about? I'm at a loss. |
| 18:40.53 | art3mis | my main and only real issue is the integrated drm crap |
| 18:40.59 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: Not one you'd understand |
| 18:41.04 | Shirik|Ecole | but anyway, lab's over, gotta run |
| 18:41.09 | raevanmorlock | later |
| 18:41.13 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: That's not intended to be offensive, sorry |
| 18:41.13 | art3mis | the rest is just annoyance factor |
| 18:41.19 | raevanmorlock | I understand, Shirik |
| 18:41.24 | Shirik|Ecole | just saying if you don't know the internals of windows APIs it doens't really make much sense |
| 18:41.26 | raevanmorlock | er.. I know what ya meant |
| 18:41.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't understand it at first myself |
| 18:41.49 | Cidan | Did I say that? I said the structure of it, the way it is handled, is meh. |
| 18:42.26 | raevanmorlock | mmm plain bagel |
| 18:42.34 | Cidan | I love how the argument of the day is, "Oh, you don't agree with me? You must not understand the issue then." |
| 18:42.54 | art3mis | cidan: thats the argument every day ;P |
| 18:43.28 | art3mis | pssst this is where you say "no it's not perhaps you're confused" ;P |
| 18:44.07 | art3mis | oh hey which of you has a mac and a pc? |
| 18:44.18 | art3mis | err macbook |
| 18:44.25 | raevanmorlock | ... are you trying to start another debate? |
| 18:44.29 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:44.33 | art3mis | nope got a question about kvms |
| 18:44.45 | Cidan | Well, I was trying to print my paper |
| 18:44.47 | Cidan | and it was like |
| 18:44.51 | Cidan | "beep beep beep beep" |
| 18:45.07 | raevanmorlock | I have a PC |
| 18:45.08 | art3mis | if i grab a usb/vga, will the macbook have the proper ports to share? |
| 18:45.22 | Cidan | yes? |
| 18:45.30 | art3mis | the vga part is the part im not sure of |
| 18:45.32 | raevanmorlock | The only thing I know about Macs is that they're evil and I hate 'em |
| 18:45.44 | art3mis | it may be dvi only |
| 18:46.13 | Cidan | I don't think it is, but even if it were |
| 18:46.16 | Cidan | get a converter |
| 18:46.27 | art3mis | i dont have the option the "get it after im there" |
| 18:46.35 | art3mis | need to know in advance |
| 18:46.43 | Cidan | it doesn't matter, a converter will work |
| 18:47.38 | art3mis | you're missing the point ;P |
| 18:47.50 | art3mis | if i went there without one because someone said it did have vga.... |
| 18:47.50 | Cidan | Perhaps I am |
| 18:48.00 | art3mis | i'd kiond of be screwed ;P |
| 18:48.29 | Cidan | but... why not just get a small DVI->VGA converter? |
| 18:48.36 | Cidan | they are what, 50 cents? |
| 18:49.32 | Cidan | god I hate leveling without a pet. :( |
| 18:49.51 | art3mis | cidan: its a minidvi |
| 18:49.54 | art3mis | not standard |
| 18:50.22 | Cidan | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/StoreReentry.wo?productLearnMore=M9320G/A |
| 18:50.26 | Cidan | granted, they rip you off |
| 18:50.48 | art3mis | yeah this question just means i have to go to tekserver down the steret from me |
| 18:50.52 | art3mis | street |
| 18:51.04 | art3mis | instead of radio shack next door ;P |
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| 19:23.38 | Shirik | so it just got so dark outside, I had to turn on the lights |
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| 19:28.31 | Shirik | Cidan: If it makes you feel any better, I'm installing open office right now :) |
| 19:28.40 | Cidan | :D |
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| 19:28.46 | Shirik | mostly because I'm worried about 2007 not interacting well with the software at my school |
| 19:28.49 | Cidan | Have you tried Office 2007 though? |
| 19:28.53 | Shirik | negative |
| 19:28.59 | Cidan | At least give it a shot |
| 19:29.02 | Shirik | however I have read warnings from the school that it is not compatible with our school's software |
| 19:29.04 | Cidan | I dislike it very much though |
| 19:29.06 | Cidan | Ah |
| 19:29.11 | Cidan | See, my school moved to office 2007 |
| 19:29.15 | Thunder_Child | it's fine, just make sure not to save it as xdoc |
| 19:29.18 | Shirik | I think they're transitioning |
| 19:29.53 | Thunder_Child | although there is a free plugin for the older office to read xdoc |
| 19:30.06 | Shirik | which I wouldn't be able to install |
| 19:30.58 | Thunder_Child | get them to do it http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee-8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en |
| 19:33.04 | Shirik | dude |
| 19:33.18 | Shirik | my IT department can't get anything to work |
| 19:33.22 | Shirik | I'm not about to ask them to install something new |
| 19:38.50 | Thunder_Child | then like i said save your 2k7 files as doc, it will work fine |
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| 19:55.12 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. 2007 saves natively as docx, but there is a 97-2003 compatible option in the Save As dialog. Nobody at my school seems to realize that and they're always complaining about the compatability too. |
| 19:57.32 | raevanmorlock | It's kind of crappy that they did that... but the X files are much smaller and include new features over the old ones so I suppose it's just a matter of waiting until the X files become standard. |
| 20:00.52 | Lunessa | We pushed the reader for .docx files to all campus computers here. /shrug |
| 20:01.03 | raevanmorlock | Which reminds me... Excel is one of teh things I really love in '07 because it has actual tables now.. and formulas can reference their columns as MathTable[ColumnName] instead of picking rows and then adjusting as teh size of it changes |
| 20:02.45 | raevanmorlock | And Excel supports a full range of RGB colors now.. finally |
| 20:04.25 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:04.29 | Shirik | how the hell do I open a file in excel? |
| 20:04.35 | Shirik | I'm finding myself suddenly incredibly stupid |
| 20:04.59 | Shirik | nm I found it |
| 20:05.04 | Shirik | apparently that "icon" is part of the menu >.> |
| 20:05.58 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:06.55 | raevanmorlock | or just ctrl+o Mr Keyboard Man |
| 20:07.24 | Josh_Borke | ~fail shirik |
| 20:07.25 | purl | shirik: Fail. |
| 20:07.45 | raevanmorlock | I'm off to class.. take care, peoples. |
| 20:08.20 | Shirik | ok, why can't I add a chart :( |
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| 20:09.36 | Josh_Borke | ~fail Shirik |
| 20:09.37 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 20:09.39 | Josh_Borke | :-D |
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| 20:09.50 | Shirik | at least I was getting something accomplished |
| 20:10.03 | Lunessa | Theory-crafting shaman DPS is like modeling quantum particles. |
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| 20:23.03 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602580974&postId=16021969797&sid=1#18 |
| 20:23.45 | Kaydeethree | wonder if I could pull that off for more than the 30 seconds it'd take a mod to see it and remove all references of my existence |
| 20:23.48 | cog|work | Kaydeethree: DOOO EEEEET!!! |
| 20:24.02 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 20:28.42 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: that's prolly one of the top #5 sane suggestions I've seen on the PTR forum this round ;) |
| 20:29.37 | Kaydeethree | heh... |
| 20:29.48 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: tho, I don't think you should talk about your 'pulling things' and porn in the same reference |
| 20:29.51 | Kaydeethree | my datashare's using 666G of data according to `df` |
| 20:31.28 | Kaydeethree | s/of data/of space/ |
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| 20:45.42 | bleeter | someone should report that 'banned forever' ptr thread for sticky as an example of how people get banned ;) |
| 20:47.05 | Saint-N | no you should! |
| 20:48.11 | Kaydeethree | oh, wow... that's insane."The Thrall escort event now allows 20 tries at completing the event instead of 3." |
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| 20:49.21 | bleeter | yeah, 20 is mad... I was thinking 2x on each section (6 max) would be ok, 3x would prolly satisfy the qq'ers and therefore 5 per phase (15 times) would be what they set it to |
| 20:49.41 | bleeter | 20 is totally mad... I guess too many folks are wiping on it too often |
| 20:50.08 | bleeter | personally, I think that at 20, they should just remove the cap entirely and be done with it. |
| 20:50.35 | Saint-N | hehe fail 20 times here's a free quest completed |
| 20:50.44 | Saint-N | we're taking one of your epics though you don't deserve it |
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| 20:54.52 | foxlit | "University of We'll-Take-Your-Money-And-Give-You-A-More-Useless-Than-English-Degree" |
| 20:55.05 | foxlit | slashdot comments are fun |
| 20:55.49 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... |
| 20:55.51 | Kaydeethree | AMD's serious |
| 20:55.59 | Kaydeethree | 900+ pages of GPU specs so far, more on the way |
| 20:56.22 | |Jelly| | GOSH Cog. You mommy's boy! Hide behind your computer! |
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| 20:57.09 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: ATI were serious for a long time about getting to this stage, before AMD bought them ;) |
| 20:57.59 | Dotted | [Kaydeethree]: 900+ pages of GPU specs so far, more on the way <- where? |
| 20:57.59 | Kaydeethree | check x.org |
| 20:58.04 | Kaydeethree | the article's posted on /. |
| 20:58.05 | Dotted | neat |
| 20:59.07 | Dotted | dont see it unless you are talking about the one posted the 6th of september (iirc) |
| 20:59.20 | Dotted | heh x.org is getting hammered |
| 20:59.32 | Kaydeethree | ya, I've never seen the site this slow |
| 21:03.10 | bleeter | for the record, Matthew Tippet, the ATI guy who handed it over, is an Aussie... I'd done some bugtesting foo 'n stuff for ATI previously |
| 21:03.32 | bleeter | though was/am under NDA... I guess this pretty much nullifies all that (and I ain't been doing that for a year or two) |
| 21:03.35 | Valaron|Work | "butthurt" That's cozy. |
| 21:05.06 | Dotted | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/wow%2Bpower%2Bleveling lol |
| 21:06.06 | bleeter | whoa lol |
| 21:06.17 | |Jelly| | Valaron|Work: It seemed like the best word at the time. |
| 21:06.26 | bleeter | my fdo contact's offline :/ |
| 21:09.45 | Lunessa | ... So, I won't be on tonight. University is closing due to Humberto. |
| 21:10.29 | Cidan | Damn Mexican's. |
| 21:11.44 | Kaydeethree | I'd say "oh, weak. closing school due to a tropical storm" but I've yelled at the admins of GSU for not closing the school until the morning of the latest TS strike when the rest of the county announced it was closing down the night before |
| 21:11.59 | Lunessa | You like kids. |
| 21:12.06 | Lunessa | wrong window |
| 21:12.14 | |Jelly| | ... |
| 21:12.17 | |Jelly| | Do we want to know? |
| 21:12.22 | Cidan | Whew. |
| 21:13.00 | Cidan | Hi, I'm Chris Hansen... |
| 21:13.06 | Lunessa | Talking to a friend who is weighing the merits of dating a man with kids. |
| 21:13.20 | Cidan | Why don't you have a seat over there? |
| 21:14.10 | Lunessa | Actually Chris, I knew all along you were trying to entrap me, but I came here to meet YOU. Pucker-up pretty boy. |
| 21:14.20 | Cidan | Whew. |
| 21:14.23 | Cidan | That would so |
| 21:14.24 | Cidan | kick ass. |
| 21:14.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:14.53 | Kaydeethree | oh, Lunessa: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=10&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=HGX&type=N0R&showstorms=0&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000¢erx=400¢ery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999 |
| 21:14.56 | Kaydeethree | ick |
| 21:15.13 | Cidan | wimps, :P |
| 21:15.24 | Kaydeethree | http://tinyurl.com/34lvq9 |
| 21:15.29 | Lunessa | Yeah. I'm in the flood-zone |
| 21:16.00 | cog|work | Lunessa: where is Spring in relation to you? |
| 21:16.06 | Lunessa | When it hits land on galveston, it'll pound me hard. |
| 21:16.24 | Lunessa | Spring is way North, up I-45 from me. About an hour's drive. |
| 21:16.24 | zenzelezz | Leotheras down! |
| 21:16.27 | Kaydeethree | go get your ass to high ground, all of your stuff off of the ground, etc... |
| 21:16.32 | ts|skrom_ | I'm a meteorlogical n00b. what does "reflectivity" measure? |
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| 21:17.06 | Kaydeethree | the higher the reflectivity, the higher the cloud tops, the more powerful the storm |
| 21:17.15 | Lunessa | cog|work: I'm right next to the space center. |
| 21:17.15 | Josh_Borke | bye bye all |
| 21:17.24 | cog|work | ah |
| 21:17.32 | ts|skrom_ | higher clouds = stronger storm? |
| 21:17.50 | Kaydeethree | higher clouds == colder clouds == stronger. that's my understanding of how it all works |
| 21:18.55 | [dRaCo] | and where do you get higher clouds from, children? right, smoking more weed! |
| 21:19.04 | Cidan | lulz. |
| 21:19.06 | ts|skrom_ | lol |
| 21:19.15 | Josh_Borke | evolution is preventing me from logging out |
| 21:19.27 | Kaydeethree | killall -9? |
| 21:19.37 | Josh_Borke | it's doing some sort of data mining or something |
| 21:19.58 | Josh_Borke | oh well, i'll just kill pidgin and leave a not saying you can log me out |
| 21:21.10 | Lunessa | So, since the rain is expected to be something like 5" and high winds, they're closing the school tonight. |
| 21:21.18 | cladhaire | lol perfectraid http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/28/wow-moviewatch-adal-downed/ |
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| 21:23.17 | bleeter | pidgin's evolution integration is ... crap |
| 21:23.41 | Kaydeethree | I think they've fixed A'Dal since then... especially with that screencap going around of him 1-shotting a fel reaver for ~120k |
| 21:23.57 | Cidan | bleeter, I'm sorry, I just don't think you understand how it works. |
| 21:24.54 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: aye, just noticed it was praid, and made me giggle. |
| 21:24.56 | Lunessa | lol X-perl and Perfectraid |
| 21:25.00 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 21:25.22 | bleeter | Cidan: ? |
| 21:25.27 | Lunessa | Clad, I remember your rant about X-Perl for an early version of clique. |
| 21:25.33 | Cidan | bleeter, nevermind, :P |
| 21:25.33 | cladhaire | ? |
| 21:25.39 | cladhaire | Lunessa: whadyamean? |
| 21:26.08 | Lunessa | In release notes you said something about it being the most god-awful mess of code you'd ever had to look at. |
| 21:26.09 | bleeter | for the record, the crappiness of it (along with libnotify) is a perfect example of why we're working slowly on GF3 |
| 21:27.22 | bleeter | whoa, some admin's gone and nearly totally cleaned up the PTR forum |
| 21:27.36 | bleeter | PTR forum admin++ |
| 21:27.56 | Kaydeethree | hortus hits the purge button whenever he logs on |
| 21:27.59 | Kaydeethree | afaik |
| 21:28.02 | Lunessa | this is pre-20 |
| 21:30.30 | [Liq] | Possible to make a macro that auto-removes BoS ? |
| 21:30.52 | AnduinLothar | well, nothing's auto with a macro, but yet |
| 21:31.02 | AnduinLothar | yes* |
| 21:31.40 | AnduinLothar | loop your buffs lookign for either the texture or the name and then cancel it |
| 21:31.54 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: so are ya gunna go get a new ATI card? :) |
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| 21:32.01 | Kaydeethree | thinking about it |
| 21:32.10 | Kaydeethree | voting with wallets is always a powerful statement |
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| 21:32.46 | bleeter | certainly *should* make it easier when buying a lappie |
| 21:32.51 | [Liq] | Uhm what about creating a frame with the macro which registers aura and then cancels it if it's bos? |
| 21:33.59 | AnduinLothar | should work, dunno if it'll fit in a macro tho |
| 21:35.03 | [Liq] | Uhm 2 macros: 1 to create the frame and another to register/handle the event? |
| 21:35.17 | AnduinLothar | try and find out |
| 21:37.10 | Thunder_Child | free space: 196.59/1199.46 GB (16.4%) |
| 21:37.24 | Thunder_Child | well...irc lies |
| 21:38.54 | Thunder_Child | cpu: Intel Pentium III, 2.41 GHz |
| 21:38.57 | Cidan | After my last ATI card caught on fire inside my case, I never did get another one again. |
| 21:39.00 | Thunder_Child | sigh |
| 21:39.32 | Kaydeethree | 1G-blocks/used/available/use%/mount: 709G 666G 43G 94% /home |
| 21:40.19 | Thunder_Child | mine should report /~1800 GB, but that might be because mirc has problems with vista |
| 21:40.59 | Thunder_Child | graphics card: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX (1680x1050x32bit 60Hz) |
| 21:41.16 | Thunder_Child | odd |
| 21:41.46 | amro|laptop | Kaydeethree: 666G your hard drive is going to catch fire |
| 21:41.57 | Kaydeethree | I've been laughing about it all day |
| 21:42.19 | Thunder_Child | memory usage: 526/2048 MB (54%) |
| 21:42.29 | Thunder_Child | oh ya...really have to update |
| 21:44.13 | Thunder_Child | brb |
| 21:47.51 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:48.10 | Cide | can you use the state driver to switch to a new state on keydown? |
| 21:48.22 | Cide | I'm too lazy to look and figure it out to be honest |
| 21:48.50 | Cide | state header* |
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| 21:49.11 | Thunder_Child | free space: 196.58/1199.46 GB (16.4%) |
| 21:49.17 | Thunder_Child | gah, still fails |
| 21:49.30 | Thunder_Child | os: Windows Vista Ultimate :: cpu: Intel Core2 6600 2.40GHz (at 2405 MHz) :: mem: 533/2048 MB (54%) :: gfx: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX (1680x1050x32bit 60Hz) |
| 21:49.31 | Cidan | Yes, I think so? |
| 21:49.41 | cog|work | Cide: SecureAnchorUpDownTemplate |
| 21:49.49 | Cide | cog|work: cool, thanks |
| 21:50.32 | cog|work | allows for limited implementation of the oft-requested extra modifier keys |
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| 21:55.24 | Lunessa | Aren't they giving use l/r versions of shift, alt and ctrl as well? |
| 21:55.39 | Kaydeethree | yup. it's working in 2.2 now |
| 21:55.58 | Lunessa | Yeah, so I'm waiting for 2.2 before working on my drag & drop keybinder. |
| 21:56.15 | bleeter | ok, bets on 2.2 next week? |
| 21:56.28 | [dRaCo] | +3 |
| 21:56.49 | Kaydeethree | as time keeps passing, the odds in my head keep dropping. it'll be slipping under 50% come tomorrow |
| 21:57.20 | cog|work | My money's on "no" |
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| 21:58.04 | bleeter | cog|work: whyso? |
| 21:58.36 | cog|work | They just pushed a build a couple days ago did they not? Also there are still lots of bugs being reported and investigated on the forums... |
| 21:59.02 | rae|school | It's really annoying that my school is too noisy to get any work done so I have to come home between classes |
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| 21:59.42 | Lunessa | Ok, we're closed. I'm going to drive home and hunker down to 'weather the storm' as it were. |
| 21:59.50 | cog|work | gl |
| 21:59.52 | Kaydeethree | stay dry. stay safe |
| 21:59.56 | cog|work | and connected |
| 22:00.09 | bleeter | shopt smart. shop s-mart |
| 22:00.19 | Lunessa | I'll try being in game. |
| 22:00.21 | rae|school | Indeed. |
| 22:00.30 | cog|work | i am so smart. I am so smart. S-M-R-T |
| 22:00.31 | Lunessa | I might fire up IRC to let you know how it goes. |
| 22:01.00 | rae|school | It does work as well in text form, cog |
| 22:01.04 | rae|school | doesn't* |
| 22:01.13 | cog|work | i know... |
| 22:01.16 | bleeter | cog|work: hmm, way I read it is the two most compelling problems (audio, rogue stealth) are fixed (tho still some audio issues around) |
| 22:01.18 | cog|work | most people still get the reference though |
| 22:01.58 | bleeter | She sells /bin/csh by the sea shore. The shells she sells are /bin/csh I'm sure. |
| 22:02.13 | Kaydeethree | egah |
| 22:02.16 | Cidan | rofl? |
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| 22:02.49 | JoshBorke | ~tryme |
| 22:02.50 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at joshborke and fires. Click. |
| 22:03.23 | rae|school | revolvers are old school |
| 22:03.48 | cog|work | and reliable |
| 22:03.57 | Thunder_Child | command |
| 22:04.00 | JoshBorke | unless wet |
| 22:04.48 | rae|school | Meh.. I don't know much about guns. |
| 22:04.52 | cog|work | but much more likely to work after sitting in an attic for 60 years |
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| 22:05.20 | |Jelly| | Just hope you don't have seven intruders. |
| 22:05.27 | rae|school | lol |
| 22:05.36 | Thunder_Child | mutters* |
| 22:05.49 | rae|school | OpenOffice needs some screenshots |
| 22:06.06 | Thunder_Child | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=open+office&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 22:06.46 | rae|school | Yes, well.... that's google doing its work for it. |
| 22:07.18 | bleeter | that's google doing a task that a single entity couldn't possibly achieve |
| 22:07.29 | bleeter | well, erm, yeah... nm |
| 22:07.41 | rae|school | I don't understand these companies that put so much effort into a product.. create a website for it.. and then don't have a single screenshot to showcase it. |
| 22:07.43 | Thunder_Child | you didnt say that they need pics on their site |
| 22:08.38 | rae|school | None of google's images are very compelling |
| 22:08.58 | bleeter | http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer.png http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/impress.png http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/math.png |
| 22:09.15 | bleeter | thumbnails of which are one click away from the home page, I fail to see the problem |
| 22:09.51 | rae|school | ooooh they're down THERE |
| 22:10.16 | bleeter | and as it's governed by an elected community council, I'd contest your inference that it's a company |
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| 22:11.14 | bleeter | thoghu truth be told it's prolly an LLC |
| 22:11.27 | rae|school | Fair enough.. but there are still people dedicating time to working on this.. and on the website. So I'd assume they want people to use the product... and, to me, the best way of doing that is by showing images of what it looks like. |
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| 22:12.08 | JoshBorke | i feel i've missed a parto f teh conversation |
| 22:12.35 | zenzelezz | ~~~ |
| 22:12.36 | purl | I HATE YOU, zenzelezz!!! |
| 22:12.51 | bleeter | apparently putting screens of your individual applications on the application page is teh fail, one should have a gallery instead |
| 22:12.51 | zenzelezz | at least I'm still connected |
| 22:13.58 | rae|school | Well.. yes and no. I think the average idiot user (like myself) would fail to realize that it's a collection of applications and thus fail to look at each individual application's page. I expect there to be a link in the main menu with download and support and the other stuff. |
| 22:14.28 | rae|school | a link for a screenshot page* |
| 22:15.25 | Shirik | ok, someone help me out here |
| 22:15.33 | Shirik | I never paid electric bills before >< |
| 22:15.43 | rae|school | Apache wouldn't need a gallery... it's not really something you stumble upon and want to check out without already knowing what it does. |
| 22:15.56 | JoshBorke | rae|school: i agree with you on your statement |
| 22:16.01 | JoshBorke | Shirik: you send them a check |
| 22:16.05 | Shirik | On it it says "Total amount you owe: $85.16" Immediately below it, it says "DO NOT PAY", and immediately below that, it says "A late payment charge of 1.5% will apply if not paid by September 27, 2007" |
| 22:16.13 | Kaydeethree | call them? |
| 22:16.15 | Shirik | Which one am I supposed to listen to >< |
| 22:16.22 | Shirik | why do they make these things so complicated T_T |
| 22:16.30 | rae|school | lol Shirik... do you have like a direct/automatic payment thing set up with them? |
| 22:16.36 | Shirik | maybe? :( |
| 22:16.46 | Shirik | I wasn't paying attention when I set it up |
| 22:16.57 | rae|school | I get bills from State Farm that say "Do not pay" on them because they automatically deduct the amount from my bank account each month. |
| 22:17.10 | Shirik | I'll probably just call them |
| 22:17.14 | JoshBorke | like a good neighbor, state farm is there...to take your money |
| 22:17.19 | Thunder_Child | sounds like auto pay to me |
| 22:17.25 | Thunder_Child | LADWP has the same format |
| 22:17.26 | bleeter | yes, every application should version their website to meet every potential user's expectation of what an application website should look like |
| 22:17.43 | rae|school | bleeter: yes, they should |
| 22:18.15 | rae|school | Applications themselves are no different.. people expect to find specific items under different menus.. like exit under File.. and Cut/Copy/Paste under Edit |
| 22:18.24 | JoshBorke | i think the problem is they don't state that it is a set of different applications |
| 22:18.40 | bleeter | OO users, several million. My guess, prolly several thousand expected versions there of what a website should look like. I'd hate to have to see the landing page where one selects which version to look at. |
| 22:18.41 | JoshBorke | so you don't know to check the components on the right hand side of the screen |
| 22:18.58 | JoshBorke | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 22:18.58 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
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| 22:20.23 | JoshBorke | ZOMG! i just noticed * All UNIT_SPELLCAST_* events now have the name and rank of the spell as arg2 and arg3. |
| 22:20.36 | bleeter | JoshBorke: so you're saying that people don't realise that Word and Excel are different applications, that it's all just Office? |
| 22:22.24 | Thunder_Child | /drool http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond300/ |
| 22:22.24 | JoshBorke | i think that when you are talking about microsoft office you're talking about a different case. the means of distribution are different so there are different goals the websites have |
| 22:22.37 | rae|school | wtf.. why does the site for MS Office require cookies? I've been hating the web so much ever since I changed my browser to not accept all cookies by default |
| 22:23.14 | JoshBorke | if i didn't know what microsoft office was, their website would make far less sense to me than the openoffice site |
| 22:25.27 | cog|work | /tinfoilhat imo |
| 22:25.33 | rae|school | Yeah... I agree. Their office site is pretty horrid. |
| 22:25.35 | Shirik | cookies are not bad. |
| 22:25.39 | Shirik | Get that through your head |
| 22:25.57 | Shirik | The "zomg cookies are evil" is some propaganda to get anti-spyware companies to sell more of their product |
| 22:26.00 | JoshBorke | are they magical? |
| 22:26.17 | Cide | no, but they're gone |
| 22:26.19 | Shirik | Yes, some cookies can be... undesirable... but they're not going to kill you |
| 22:26.20 | Cide | for I stole them from the jar |
| 22:26.22 | kaiden | oh wow, VisualThemes is nice :P |
| 22:26.23 | Shirik | =( |
| 22:26.24 | cog|work | Shirik: the anti-cookie craze was around long before spyware scanners |
| 22:26.29 | Shirik | ok, still |
| 22:26.35 | Shirik | it was invented by someone to get a quick buck |
| 22:26.39 | JoshBorke | shirik: obviously you've never had cianide cookies |
| 22:26.43 | rae|school | Shirik: I agree, but when I'm viewing a static html page, there is no conceivable reason to have 10 different sites all trying to put a bunch of different cookies on my computer. |
| 22:27.26 | Shirik | omg bleeter <3 bottomscanner now |
| 22:27.28 | Shirik | thank you |
| 22:27.40 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 22:27.40 | purl | moos at Shirik |
| 22:27.41 | rae|school | I don't have a problem so much with people wanting to know where their traffic is coming from... I think they just take it entirely too far and go batshit crazy with it. |
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| 22:29.51 | rae|school | Does anyone know how to reset my IRC password if I've forgotten it? |
| 22:30.24 | Kaydeethree | you'll have to wait for it to lapse, think services will hold nicks for 90 days on freenode |
| 22:30.38 | Thunder_Child | or go bitch @ a freenode op |
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| 22:31.25 | rae|school | 90? I think it's already been more than that since I was last on here. |
| 22:31.27 | Cidan | mmm |
| 22:31.34 | Cidan | I hope Nals likes dinner |
| 22:31.44 | kaiden | rae|school, do you still have access to the e-mail? |
| 22:31.53 | Shirik | lol @ our AH |
| 22:31.57 | rae|school | yeah, kaiden |
| 22:31.59 | Cidan | ? |
| 22:31.59 | Shirik | green gems going for 10g |
| 22:32.19 | Cidan | OH, is there a way to get jewelcrafting without going to Azuremyst? |
| 22:32.27 | Cidan | I think I asked this before, :( |
| 22:32.30 | Kaydeethree | HFP/shattrath |
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| 22:32.46 | Thunder_Child | i bet you could turn this into a coding keyborad in a heartbeat http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/keyboards/fairlight-28000-xynergi-keyboard-makes-optimus-look-cheap-299271.php |
| 22:32.49 | Cidan | Level 10 char, :P |
| 22:32.52 | Thunder_Child | board* |
| 22:33.00 | Kaydeethree | have fun corpse-hopping through wetlands |
| 22:33.34 | Wobin_ | Thunder_Child: I'm not sure how well it'd work as an actual 'keyboard' |
| 22:33.44 | Wobin_ | it doesn't look like the tactile feedback would be similar |
| 22:33.45 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say that did it |
| 22:33.46 | Thunder_Child | i* |
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| 22:34.01 | Cidan | That's... pretty cool |
| 22:34.31 | rae|school | psh.. I thought of that key switching idea like so long ago |
| 22:34.38 | JoshBorke | holy shit, it's 28k? |
| 22:34.52 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 22:35.00 | Thunder_Child | even the optumus was 2k or so |
| 22:35.10 | Thunder_Child | optimus* |
| 22:35.12 | Wobin_ | It's designed for sound studios =P |
| 22:35.23 | Wobin_ | so it's not going to be cheap |
| 22:35.40 | Thunder_Child | hell no...but i t would be fun to mess with |
| 22:36.00 | Thunder_Child | heh...put every spell you have on the keys with the icons |
| 22:36.29 | Wobin_ | heeh |
| 22:36.36 | Wobin_ | then you'd have to look down each time you want to cast |
| 22:36.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:36.41 | Cidan | Not at all |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | so there was all this spam in trade chat |
| 22:36.44 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 22:36.48 | Cidan | I don't look down when I hit 1 every time., |
| 22:36.51 | Shirik | so I said "trade chat != barrens chat kthx" |
| 22:36.52 | Cidan | Yet I know what spell it is. |
| 22:36.56 | Wobin_ | so.. |
| 22:37.06 | Wobin_ | why spend 28k on a keyboard you're not even going to look at? =P |
| 22:37.07 | Shirik | silence for a few seconds, then someone pipes in "I wonder how many people knew that != means 'not equal to'" |
| 22:37.12 | Shirik | then like 10 "ohhh" followed |
| 22:37.21 | Wobin_ | Shirik: welcome to lua =P |
| 22:37.34 | rae|school | lol @ Shirik |
| 22:37.49 | Wobin_ | you should have used ~= and really confused them |
| 22:37.58 | rae|school | I was just gonna say that, Wobin_ >_< |
| 22:38.01 | zenzelezz | <> |
| 22:38.05 | Shirik | no |
| 22:38.07 | Cidan | zenzelezz, die. |
| 22:38.08 | Shirik | I refuse to use <> ever again |
| 22:38.12 | Shirik | I had my days of BASIC |
| 22:38.13 | Wobin_ | aiee |
| 22:38.14 | Shirik | never again |
| 22:38.17 | Wobin_ | never never |
| 22:38.23 | Cidan | <> is used in VB, no? |
| 22:38.26 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 22:38.28 | Shirik | probably |
| 22:38.28 | Cidan | As well, that is. |
| 22:38.45 | rae|school | VB is Basic |
| 22:38.50 | alestane | Also PASCAL |
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| 22:40.32 | rae|school | Why do I never get any work done when I'm in here? It's so trifling. |
| 22:41.33 | Shirik|AFK | off to grocery store bbl |
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| 22:43.18 | Tem | grr |
| 22:43.20 | Tem | this is weird as hell |
| 22:43.40 | Tem | remote desktop refuses to work |
| 22:43.54 | Tem | and I haven't manually change anything that should affect it |
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| 22:44.47 | cog|work | it's windows ... you don't need to manually change something for it to stop working |
| 22:45.07 | cog|work | and "should" has little bearing on any of it... |
| 22:45.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:45.28 | Cidan | QFT cog, QFT. |
| 22:45.41 | Tem | well, I can't figure it out |
| 22:45.44 | Tem | and it's driving me crazy |
| 22:46.01 | Tem | especially since I use rdc 2-3 times a day |
| 22:46.22 | cog|work | do you have any antivirus software? norton has given me hell a few times in the past (not at home, thank you very much) |
| 22:46.37 | Saint-N | norton == shite |
| 22:46.45 | kaiden | AVAST me mateys.. |
| 22:46.47 | Saint-N | http://free.grisoft.com go get that instead ;P |
| 22:46.51 | Saint-N | avast ios shite |
| 22:47.04 | Saint-N | anything that installs services that cant be stopped instantly is shite ;) |
| 22:47.07 | Saint-N | cept nod32 |
| 22:47.11 | Tem | cog|work, nope |
| 22:47.13 | Saint-N | nod32 is god of the AV world |
| 22:47.22 | kaiden | lol avg misses stuff all the time |
| 22:47.22 | kaiden | :P |
| 22:47.28 | Tem | in the past 2 days, I've installed Bonjour and VMWare |
| 22:47.36 | Saint-N | so does norton and avast ;) |
| 22:47.36 | Tem | I'm betting that Bonjour has something to do with it |
| 22:47.49 | Saint-N | nod32 is the only AV product to not miss anything in the 5 years it's been around |
| 22:47.58 | Tem | well, I was betting that until I uninstalled it and rdc continued to be broken |
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| 22:48.03 | Saint-N | avg misses less than avast an norton though ;P |
| 22:48.27 | Tem | I don't see a need for an anti virus app |
| 22:48.35 | cog|work | i've never needed one |
| 22:48.41 | Tem | l2clickbetter |
| 22:48.43 | Cidan | I don't think I've used AV software since, oh, 1997? |
| 22:48.44 | Saint-N | and its free, without a gay popup blocker spyware blocker and intrusive removal system ;) |
| 22:48.48 | cog|work | but i recommend them to puter n00bs |
| 22:48.54 | Tem | *nod* |
| 22:49.01 | Saint-N | tem: ive never gotten a virus either ;P |
| 22:49.08 | Tem | I don't understand this |
| 22:49.12 | Saint-N | i have avg installed to p[lay with virii ;) |
| 22:49.15 | Tem | the terminal server service is running |
| 22:49.22 | Tem | remote connections are enabled |
| 22:49.22 | Saint-N | and so i know it when i reccomend it to others |
| 22:49.30 | Tem | there isn't a firewall in the way |
| 22:49.39 | Tem | I checked the registry and the port is set properly |
| 22:49.57 | cog|work | kick it imo |
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| 22:50.19 | Saint-N | turn off routing ;) |
| 22:50.25 | Saint-N | i bet that will make it work right |
| 22:50.36 | Tem | you mean make it the DMZ? |
| 22:50.38 | cog|work | tem, are you on the same network? |
| 22:50.44 | Saint-N | no on the machine |
| 22:50.51 | Tem | because I'm testing behind the router |
| 22:50.52 | Saint-N | or am i wrong in assuming its 2k3 server |
| 22:50.55 | Tem | cog|work, yes, same network |
| 22:51.02 | Tem | Saint-N, it's a vista desktop |
| 22:51.16 | Saint-N | and youll still need to port forward |
| 22:51.23 | Tem | right right |
| 22:51.27 | Saint-N | if its a router and not a hub |
| 22:51.31 | Tem | but I can't even connect to it within the network |
| 22:51.41 | Saint-N | because it hits the router |
| 22:51.51 | Saint-N | as retarded as it is |
| 22:51.57 | Tem | I've had the router setup to port forward it for some time |
| 22:52.05 | Tem | and it was working until 2 days ago |
| 22:52.31 | Saint-N | unticked "allow remote connections" by mistake? |
| 22:52.38 | cog|work | bleeter: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531087048&postId=16021672395&sid=1#16 |
| 22:53.03 | cog|work | now you believe me? :P |
| 22:54.35 | Tem | Saint-N, nope |
| 22:54.53 | Tem | Saint-N, I noted that I made sure that was still checked a moment ago |
| 22:57.20 | rae|school | Tem: Did it get a new IP so the router is forwarding to teh wrong one now? |
| 22:57.34 | Tem | static |
| 22:57.49 | Tem | also, I can't connect on local side either |
| 22:57.56 | Tem | the problem is not with the port farwarding |
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| 22:58.11 | rae|school | Does it need a reboot? |
| 22:58.11 | Cidan | So you can't connect behind the firewall either? |
| 22:58.18 | Cidan | try a simple telnet into the port |
| 22:58.59 | Tem | rae|school, tried that several times already =P |
| 22:59.13 | Tem | Cidan, good idea |
| 22:59.43 | Cidan | try it outside and inside the firewall |
| 22:59.59 | rae|school | Does WoW support texture tiling (as opposed to scaling)? |
| 23:00.44 | Cidan | I wonder |
| 23:00.50 | Cidan | Mages can make portals to Shat, right? |
| 23:01.05 | alestane | Cidan: Yes. |
| 23:01.07 | Kaydeethree | self-ports at 60, group portals at 65 |
| 23:01.09 | zenzelezz | eventually yes |
| 23:01.19 | Cidan | So can I port to Shat with a mage at level 10? |
| 23:01.31 | zenzelezz | <Kaydeethree> self-ports at 60 |
| 23:01.33 | Kaydeethree | sure. there's no level restriction on taking ports |
| 23:01.37 | Cidan | Huh |
| 23:01.42 | Cidan | That'll be a whole lot easier. |
| 23:02.02 | Tem | Cidan, failed to connect on the inside |
| 23:02.03 | zenzelezz | oh, you mean get a level 10 to Shatt... haven't you ever seen that before? |
| 23:02.16 | Cidan | Tem, problem with the daemon then. |
| 23:02.18 | zenzelezz | on my realm there's a ton of level 2-10 alts in the banks in Shattrath |
| 23:02.31 | Cidan | Stop/restart the service? |
| 23:02.37 | Cidan | and/or make sure it's running |
| 23:02.38 | Tem | done twice to no effect |
| 23:02.51 | Tem | unless I'm after the wrong service... |
| 23:02.53 | Cidan | stupid question |
| 23:02.58 | Cidan | well, that too |
| 23:03.03 | Cidan | but make sure you're using the right port |
| 23:03.09 | Tem | 3389 |
| 23:03.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thewsvg.com/ |
| 23:03.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | O______O |
| 23:03.20 | Tem | I even checked the registry to make sure it wasn't told to use a different port |
| 23:03.33 | Cidan | What |
| 23:03.37 | Cidan | 's the service name? |
| 23:04.07 | Tem | Terminal Services |
| 23:04.27 | Cidan | And you're trying to use remote desktop? |
| 23:04.51 | Tem | aye |
| 23:06.01 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 23:06.03 | Cidan | interesting |
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| 23:08.01 | Cidan | What OS? |
| 23:08.14 | AnduinLothar | oh wow, this is a serious css hack: http://www.workingwith.me.uk/examples/css-drop-shadows.html |
| 23:08.40 | AnduinLothar | look at the code for the full compat one. it's like 50 lines long |
| 23:08.46 | Tem | Cidan, vista |
| 23:08.51 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 23:08.59 | alestane | Drop shadows were one of the first examples of how to seriously abuse CSS. |
| 23:10.15 | alestane | the :before method is marginally less abusive, but still unclean. |
| 23:11.14 | amro|laptop | "Safari only"... |
| 23:11.36 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 23:11.48 | AnduinLothar | Safari's the one that's been most recently updated |
| 23:11.51 | Cidan | I can connect on 3389 here. |
| 23:11.53 | AnduinLothar | css-wise |
| 23:12.03 | Cidan | On my own machine, and all services are up, as well. |
| 23:12.15 | rae|school | Web design is a pain |
| 23:12.25 | Cidan | actually |
| 23:12.27 | AnduinLothar | http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#text-shadow-props |
| 23:12.33 | Cidan | if I go to System Properties->remove |
| 23:12.34 | Cidan | er |
| 23:12.35 | Cidan | remote |
| 23:12.38 | Cidan | and disable remote desktop |
| 23:12.41 | AnduinLothar | it's a legal attribute, but no other browsers support it yet |
| 23:12.41 | Cidan | the port closes |
| 23:13.04 | AnduinLothar | of CSS2 |
| 23:13.06 | Shirik|AFK | AnduinLothar: Doesn't work for me |
| 23:13.17 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't |
| 23:13.20 | AnduinLothar | what* |
| 23:13.23 | amro|laptop | AnduinLothar: I meant, it's NOT Safari only. It works on Konqueror, which uses KHTML (on which Webkit is based) |
| 23:13.25 | Shirik | the final example |
| 23:13.36 | Shirik | I mean, it works... but half of it is cut off |
| 23:13.40 | Shirik | I can only see the top half of "In Shadow" |
| 23:13.45 | AnduinLothar | what browser? |
| 23:13.48 | Shirik | IE 7 |
| 23:14.17 | AnduinLothar | hmm, you're right |
| 23:14.25 | AnduinLothar | fail |
| 23:14.55 | AnduinLothar | amro|laptop I'm sure it'd work on FF with webkit installed |
| 23:14.56 | Shirik | however the "Shadowed in IE/Win" works fine |
| 23:15.13 | Tem | wow that's really strange |
| 23:15.17 | Tem | Cidan, I found the problem |
| 23:15.18 | rae|school | That's pretty funny... all those browers work, but not IE7 |
| 23:15.31 | Cidan | What was it? |
| 23:15.32 | Tem | something turned off all of the windows firewall exceptions |
| 23:15.34 | Shirik | I'm not surprised |
| 23:15.38 | Shirik | IE 7 doesn't deserve to work anyway |
| 23:15.40 | Tem | including the one that lets RDP through |
| 23:15.49 | Cidan | :x |
| 23:15.55 | rae|school | IE7 is far better than its predecessors |
| 23:16.07 | AnduinLothar | it's still far crappier than it's competitors |
| 23:16.08 | rae|school | And Firefox has been going downhill lately. |
| 23:16.20 | Shirik | honestly, I don't have a browser I like anymore |
| 23:16.20 | Cidan | Firefox is a memory hog |
| 23:16.30 | Shirik | so... I stick with IE 7 just because I'm too lazy to download anything else |
| 23:16.30 | rae|school | Cidan: yeah |
| 23:16.32 | Cidan | If Opera had Firefox's plugin system |
| 23:16.36 | Cidan | I'd never look back. |
| 23:16.44 | Cidan | But firefox plugins are just too nice. |
| 23:17.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | firefox isn't so much of a memory hog if you turn off the tab history |
| 23:17.07 | AnduinLothar | I still use Camino, but it's mac only. On Vista I use Safari, but it's still in beta and has a few bugs; still renders best, tho. |
| 23:17.31 | rae|school | I read that Firefox doesn't really hog memory and the amount reported by the task manager is false.. and there's a million ways to decrease the hoggage--but none of them have really worked to my satisfaction. |
| 23:17.44 | Shirik | I.... have a problem with that statement |
| 23:17.49 | Shirik | well, let's put it this way. Who said it? |
| 23:18.07 | Shirik | As much as I distrust Microsoft, I find it difficult to believe that task manager would report an incorrect value |
| 23:18.10 | amro|laptop | the task manager lies! |
| 23:18.20 | Cidan | Task manager never reports a correct value. |
| 23:18.24 | rae|school | I don't recall. I was running through a bunch of websites looking for a way to fix Firefox. |
| 23:18.35 | Shirik | lol... microsoft coded in some extra code to add extra zeros onto firefox.exe |
| 23:18.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | for example, my firefox only uses 30mb, which i guess could be a memory hog |
| 23:18.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but when i minimize it, 10 |
| 23:18.43 | Cidan | Get process explorer |
| 23:18.55 | Cidan | Published by microsoft |
| 23:19.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | (because they bought sysinternals |
| 23:19.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | ) |
| 23:19.11 | Cidan | (yep) |
| 23:19.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the addons and the tab history are the memory hogs in ff |
| 23:19.30 | rae|school | My firefox is currently using 236 megs |
| 23:19.32 | Cidan | though be warned, if you play any newer securerom games, the games won't start after you start process explorer once. |
| 23:19.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | without them it uses next to nothing |
| 23:19.43 | Cidan | ie: NWN2, Bioshock |
| 23:19.48 | cog|work | my firefox is using 240mb |
| 23:19.50 | Cidan | you'll have to reboot, and not open process explorer |
| 23:19.52 | cog|work | as i type |
| 23:19.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 12, here |
| 23:19.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 23:19.59 | amro|laptop | Mr_Rabies2: Without them FF is next to nothing. Well almost, other browsers render just as well |
| 23:20.13 | cog|work | i've got 6 tabs open and 10 in the "recently closed" list |
| 23:20.21 | cog|work | with who knows how much history on each |
| 23:20.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | turn off the tab history and it'll help a bunch |
| 23:20.36 | cog|work | i don't care about it... just saying |
| 23:20.52 | cog|work | i use tab history all the time... i'm a bit trigger happy with the close button :P |
| 23:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | 45 MB with all my extensions running |
| 23:21.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | problem is most of the extensions seem to leak memory |
| 23:21.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and there's a config setting |
| 23:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | by default ff doesn't clear RAM when you minimize it |
| 23:21.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i minimize my FF it drops to 6 mb |
| 23:22.06 | rae|school | Mr_Rabies2: I had mine set like that at one point, but I didn't like it. |
| 23:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | what ff 3.0 needs is a resource monitor |
| 23:22.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | so we can see what is causing all the memory leakage |
| 23:22.46 | rae|school | That'd be nice. |
| 23:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suspect the flash plugin and tabmixplus for me, personally |
| 23:23.29 | Cidan | There is no memory leakage, :( |
| 23:23.49 | rae|school | I don't know how to feel about FF anymore... I loved it when it first came out, but it seems like it gets worse with every revision. |
| 23:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like it just as much now if not moreso |
| 23:24.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 3.0 is supposedly upgrading the rendering engine |
| 23:24.55 | Cidan | I've been considering going back to Opera |
| 23:25.40 | amro|laptop | I've become browser independant |
| 23:28.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow needs a built in k-meleon |
| 23:28.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 23:28.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | and irc client of some sort |
| 23:29.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably not mirc since that allows you to do too much with the OS itself :o |
| 23:29.34 | rae|school | Why would it need an IRC client? |
| 23:29.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not? |
| 23:30.19 | rae|school | It'd add on memory usage and processing time for something that most people wouldn't use anyhow. |
| 23:30.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so make it optional :o |
| 23:30.42 | Kaydeethree | gasp, LoadOnDemand! |
| 23:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | the memory usage would be so minimal compared to the hundreds of other things out there |
| 23:30.59 | AnduinLothar | wow ie7 sucks at font-weight: bold |
| 23:31.16 | rae|school | And there's already a plethora of IRC clients... I'd rather Blizzard spend time on Starcraft 2 than another IRC client. |
| 23:31.41 | Kaydeethree | you're falling into the same trap of "there's only one developer at blizzard!" |
| 23:32.23 | rae|school | But there'd have to be somebody working on it... I'd rather they do anything new than something we already have a million choices for. |
| 23:32.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a million choices for irc clients built into wow |
| 23:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | ? |
| 23:33.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell, tribes 1 had a built in irc client and it came out in 1998 |
| 23:33.44 | rae|school | What's so difficult about just running an IRC client alongside WoW? |
| 23:33.47 | zenzelezz | built-in IRC could make for better private channels |
| 23:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | because alt tabbing is an annoyance rae|school |
| 23:34.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a second computer, but still |
| 23:34.14 | rae|school | Then get two monitors :-P |
| 23:34.21 | AnduinLothar | it could also make for a security leak |
| 23:34.25 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... |
| 23:34.33 | Kaydeethree | they're only enabling Voice on about 30 realms on patch day |
| 23:34.43 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602361123&sid=1 |
| 23:34.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | AnduinLothar, so could the news reader at the login screen |
| 23:34.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but apparently there aren't any |
| 23:35.27 | AnduinLothar | if irc was in wow then it would circumvent al the prohibitations about not allowing import and export of arbitrary data on demand |
| 23:35.29 | rae|school | Well I'm sure they control the new reader/feeder... IRC is open |
| 23:35.39 | rae|school | news* |
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| 23:36.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | AnduinLothar, if they ran it in a sandbox and only allowed you to set the server and channel, and chat |
| 23:36.30 | AnduinLothar | then it wouldn't be as flexable as the current vers and people would complain |
| 23:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the current vers? |
| 23:36.44 | AnduinLothar | in-game chat |
| 23:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | not as a replacement for ingame chat |
| 23:37.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it could just be a stripped down irc client for use for those who care to use it |
| 23:37.06 | Cidan | " Oh thank god my realm isn't listed" |
| 23:37.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | plenty of games use them |
| 23:37.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they don't replace the ingame chat |
| 23:37.27 | Cidan | It wouldn't work |
| 23:37.29 | Cidan | I'll tell you why |
| 23:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | or not |
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| 23:38.30 | Cidan | well that sucked. |
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| 23:38.36 | rae|school | his reasons were so overwhelming that IRC had to boot him |
| 23:38.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, if it had as many features as the irc client in tribes, it would do for most people |
| 23:38.51 | Cidan | first, you alienate some of the players, love it or hate it, it's the truth. |
| 23:39.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does adding a feature alienate players? |
| 23:39.08 | Cidan | I'll get to that |
| 23:39.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they wouldn't be replacing anything, just adding an irc client |
| 23:39.11 | Cidan | shh |
| 23:39.14 | Cidan | pay attention |
| 23:39.35 | Cidan | from a business model, it doesn't make sense. You are in effect dividing up your player base. |
| 23:39.46 | Cidan | Those who use IRC to chat, and those who do not |
| 23:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | just like with voice chat |
| 23:39.54 | Cidan | Those who use IRC will be less compelled to use in game chat |
| 23:40.13 | Cidan | Except there are two things you are forgetting |
| 23:40.29 | Cidan | Voice chat, you just enable and you have it, there are no server choices. |
| 23:40.30 | Cidan | Second |
| 23:40.47 | Cidan | Blizzard can not monitor what happens |
| 23:40.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can't with voice chat either |
| 23:40.56 | Cidan | Over IRC. |
| 23:41.02 | Cidan | No, but you can report someone for abuse. |
| 23:41.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and said they can't do anything about that |
| 23:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 23:41.13 | Cidan | Nope? Wanna bet? |
| 23:41.48 | rae|school | Voice Chat is also different.. in-game chat and IRC are both text-based so people would likely use one or the other. With voice chat, you can use both. |
| 23:42.03 | Cidan | I can GUARANTEE you ANY company with the client base of WoW would have some way to report players who abuse it. |
| 23:42.12 | Cidan | You'd be a fucking moron not to. |
| 23:42.28 | Cidan | Beyond that, you'd still divide the players |
| 23:42.38 | Cidan | Less people would be in /1 (I know I would!) |
| 23:42.40 | Elessdy | i'll divide YOU |
| 23:42.47 | Cidan | Over all, it's just a shit idea on the business end. |
| 23:43.08 | rae|school | What do you do for a living, Cide? |
| 23:43.23 | Shirik | lua> Corrodias = setmetatable({}, __call = function() return 4; end); return Corrodias()/2; |
| 23:43.24 | cladbot | Shirik: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "Corrodias = setmetatable({}, __call = function() return 4; end)..."]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
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| 23:43.37 | Shirik | lua> Corrodias = setmetatable({}, {__call = function() return 4; end}); return Corrodias()/2; |
| 23:43.37 | cladbot | Shirik: 2 |
| 23:43.39 | Shirik | Oh damn |
| 23:43.41 | Shirik | I divided Corrodias |
| 23:43.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard's said they have no plans to make voice chat reportable |
| 23:43.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1.1.Is voice chat reportable? |
| 23:43.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | Simply put, No. But if you don't believe me in the voice chat tab when mousing over the "Enable Voice" option it says "Voice Chat is not monitored by Blizzard Entertainment, and your gameplay expirience may change based on interaction with other players." |
| 23:44.14 | Cidan | It isn't monitored, no. |
| 23:44.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't find the first case reply of them saying it's not reportable but i've read it |
| 23:44.18 | Cidan | But you CAN report someone over it. |
| 23:44.19 | Corrodias | recording transactions and chat is probably enough use of storage |
| 23:44.46 | Corrodias | it would be ridiculous to add audio recording of all voice chat |
| 23:44.53 | Cidan | And I _know_ Blizzard is not going to go, "LOL I DUNNO U DAEL WIT IT LOLOLOL" |
| 23:44.54 | Corrodias | which is also unsearchable |
| 23:44.55 | Kaydeethree | Mr_Rabies, it's in the ToS as well as the popup window you get when you enable voice chat in the sound/voice menu on the ptr |
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| 23:45.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | cidan |
| 23:45.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | how could they enforce it at all? |
| 23:45.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | without recording everything everyone has done, and running through it |
| 23:45.29 | Cidan | Who knows? |
| 23:45.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | if there's no evidence, they won't do crap |
| 23:45.32 | Cidan | They are clever folk |
| 23:45.36 | Cidan | HAH |
| 23:45.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've talked to plenty of GMs |
| 23:45.47 | Cidan | Like that has stopped anyone. |
| 23:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you report someone for botting |
| 23:45.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they respond when the gm asks the bot test |
| 23:45.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | the gm's can't do crap |
| 23:46.06 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, looks liek Opera's not makign any more Mac versions |
| 23:46.22 | Cidan | They CAN do what they want -- this isn't the law. |
| 23:46.25 | AnduinLothar | They say it doesn't make business sense to compete with Safari |
| 23:46.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i'm saying |
| 23:46.38 | Cidan | They WON'T boot someone without proof of botting, though. |
| 23:46.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard policy is |
| 23:46.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you don't catch them in the act |
| 23:46.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can't do anything |
| 23:46.54 | Cidan | However, don't be so quick to think that it's set in stone. |
| 23:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would be so dumb |
| 23:47.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if i didn't like you |
| 23:47.19 | Cidan | Or if you got 15 people |
| 23:47.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and got 2 of my buddies to report you for calling me a huge paragraph of racist, hate speech |
| 23:47.26 | Cidan | to spam voice |
| 23:47.29 | Cidan | or rather |
| 23:47.30 | Cidan | sorry |
| 23:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you didn't |
| 23:47.34 | Cidan | report you for voice, I know this. |
| 23:47.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and bam you're banned, gg |
| 23:47.39 | Cidan | But what WILL happen |
| 23:48.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | they won't ban over voice chat, because there's no way for them to prove you've done anything |
| 23:48.15 | Cidan | People who spam voice will allude to it in text chat too. |
| 23:48.23 | Cidan | This I know |
| 23:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe |
| 23:48.29 | Cidan | And through that, they will get you. |
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| 23:48.34 | rae|school | Perhaps rather than monitor everyone all the time.. they could monitor reported people for a short time |
| 23:48.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, while i botted i never once eluded to it in text |
| 23:48.34 | Cidan | Oh man |
| 23:48.37 | Cidan | can you imagine |
| 23:48.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | rae|school, that's a huge waste of resources |
| 23:48.56 | Cidan | chinese botters spamming? |
| 23:49.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have the disclaimer there, that's all they need |
| 23:49.11 | Cidan | "LOL U BUI GOLD NAO!!!!!!!" |
| 23:49.13 | rae|school | Well so is IRC-in-WoW! |
| 23:49.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | not at all |
| 23:49.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | irc in wow would likely not take long at all to do, irc's a very easily implemented protocol |
| 23:50.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's basically packets of text with some headers |
| 23:50.22 | Cidan | er |
| 23:50.22 | Cidan | what |
| 23:50.23 | Cidan | the |
| 23:50.24 | Cidan | hell? |
| 23:50.29 | Cidan | I went through a portal |
| 23:50.34 | Cidan | my pet vanished, fine |
| 23:50.36 | Cidan | call pet |
| 23:50.42 | Cidan | "You do not have a pet to summon." |
| 23:50.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can read irc with a packet sniffer just fine :O |
| 23:51.10 | Cidan | Also |
| 23:51.26 | Cidan | IRC in game would violate the idea that Blizzard has going about outside communication influence |
| 23:51.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, if you're at a big lan and care about your irc account |
| 23:51.30 | Cidan | I could scan an IRC chan |
| 23:51.31 | rae|school | But you still need a sandbox for it.. an interface... the new network traffic coming over on a different port.. |
| 23:51.34 | Cidan | for keywords |
| 23:52.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | like what? |
| 23:52.34 | Cidan | anything |
| 23:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | rae|school, if tribes could do it in 1998 there's no excuse other games couldn't have it |
| 23:52.44 | Cidan | then relay that or run commands based off of that |
| 23:52.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | a little tiny developer like dynamix can do it |
| 23:52.57 | Cidan | which blizzard has made clear it does not want. |
| 23:52.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | run commands off it? |
| 23:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it was properly implemented there would be no way to do so |
| 23:53.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | can you run commands off ingame chat hints? |
| 23:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 23:53.50 | Cidan | er, ingame chat hints? |
| 23:53.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | can you run commands off ingame chat? |
| 23:54.07 | Cidan | ...sure? |
| 23:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you could set a bot up to control multiple characters via chat? |
| 23:54.35 | Cidan | I didn't say move |
| 23:54.39 | Cidan | I said run commands. |
| 23:54.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | like what? |
| 23:54.50 | Cidan | anything lua can run, really. |
| 23:55.10 | Cidan | and it works two ways, I can dump data outward |
| 23:55.16 | Cidan | ie: where I am, stats |
| 23:55.30 | Cidan | which Blizzard does not want provided in real time |
| 23:55.35 | Cidan | over all, it would be a mess |
| 23:56.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i would think it would be really easy to block it off from the rest of the game |
| 23:56.26 | Cidan | Hmm, perhaps |
| 23:56.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, you couldn't send any of tribes' script commands through irc chat |
| 23:56.54 | rae|school | Like by having it in a third party application? :) |
| 23:57.04 | Kaydeethree | but then you'd have to alt-tab to use it |
| 23:57.13 | Kaydeethree | and we're back where we were at the beginning |
| 23:57.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell |
| 23:57.42 | rae|school | Well I thought I'd bring things back around since we seemed to be drifting away from the original question |
| 23:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's so much easier to just hit a hotkey, chat in irc, and hit the hotkey again to hide it |
| 23:58.18 | rae|school | You could also run WoW in a non-maximized window so that it could share screen space with IRC |
| 23:58.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | or they could just implement a simple irc chat program for it and block it off from commands |
| 23:59.18 | Cidan | But you still don't solve the fact that half -- or more -- of your player base will use an external form of communication, but the other part will use in game chat. |
| 23:59.25 | Cidan | It _will_ create a divide. |
| 23:59.29 | rae|school | Yes, but I still contend that it would only serve to divide the community and offer no benefit over current in-game chat. |
| 23:59.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's to stop people from leaving /1 and joining their own private channels now, Cidan? |
| 23:59.54 | Cidan | There is no point. |
