| 00:01.16 | clad|book | how can I taint ActionButton3? |
| 00:03.15 | Kaso | Has to be 3 ? |
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| 00:09.29 | Corrodias | would ActionButton3 = ActionButton3 do it? |
| 00:09.30 | clad|book | no |
| 00:09.31 | clad|book | ;-) |
| 00:09.51 | clad|book | yes that does, but that's a confusing example :P |
| 00:09.58 | clad|book | i thought tainting the OnClick would do it, but apparently no. |
| 00:10.04 | Corrodias | browsing porn at the speed of light to get it done before we make the first pull in gruul's lair |
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| 00:10.38 | Corrodias | i made it! |
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| 00:10.56 | Kaso | umm, thanks for keeping us informed |
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| 00:13.29 | Corrodias | you're welcome |
| 00:13.38 | Corrodias | evaluating what to save and what to discard, i mean |
| 00:14.14 | Kaso | well thats slightly better for my mental imagary than what i assumed before |
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| 00:21.23 | Shirik|AFK | since when does nightbane attack during the flying phase? |
| 00:21.56 | Kaydeethree | he go after someone further south than the tank? |
| 00:22.53 | JoshBorke | ~botmail for Shirik CTL/ACE/DONGLE/KHAOS/SEA/ROCK/LOADSTRING RDX KTHXBAI |
| 00:23.02 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 00:23.07 | JoshBorie | ~botmail for Shirik CTL/ACE/DONGLE/KHAOS/SEA/ROCK/LOADSTRING RDX KTHXBAI |
| 00:23.22 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 00:23.26 | Kaydeethree | lol |
| 00:24.00 | clad|book | wow i hate you |
| 00:24.32 | JoshBorke | it's not easy being greasy |
| 00:24.55 | JoshBorke | did i miss any? |
| 00:25.10 | Shirik|AFK | Kaydeethree: Me :( |
| 00:25.13 | Shirik|AFK | He one shot me |
| 00:25.34 | Shirik|AFK | All I know is we were in the air phase and I have "Nightbane hits you for 8485. You cast touch of weakness. You die." |
| 00:25.49 | JoshBorke | at least it was over fast |
| 00:26.07 | Kaydeethree | if he's coming down, anyone's free game if you're in melee range of him. that's why everyone's supposed to get north of the tank |
| 00:26.34 | clad|book | how long will gct take to collect 90 MiB of garbage |
| 00:26.41 | clad|book | and how much time will each step take |
| 00:26.54 | JoshBorke | you want me to see? |
| 00:27.07 | clad|book | no im testing now |
| 00:27.08 | clad|book | :P |
| 00:27.09 | clad|book | taking bets |
| 00:27.18 | JoshBorke | 90 minutes |
| 00:27.38 | JoshBorke | oh wait |
| 00:27.40 | JoshBorke | you said gct |
| 00:27.49 | JoshBorke | oh, f if i know, that's a piece of junk addon |
| 00:27.51 | JoshBorke | ;-P |
| 00:28.06 | clad|book | lol |
| 00:29.07 | JoshBorke | man, i was working so hard to be nice today too |
| 00:29.14 | clad|book | heh |
| 00:29.36 | JoshBorke | clad: i take it back, i was only joking :-) |
| 00:29.47 | clad|book | lol |
| 00:30.19 | JoshBorke | clad: not having any reference data, i'm going to say it'll take about 15 minutes with each step taking about 30-45 seconds tops (or is a step defined as an OnUpdate run, if so, then i'll say 30-50 ms) |
| 00:30.30 | clad|book | kk |
| 00:31.40 | JoshBorke | do i get an autographed copy of the book if i'm closest? |
| 00:33.23 | clad|book | lol |
| 00:33.27 | clad|book | yeah if you mail it to me |
| 00:33.31 | clad|book | in the next 10 days |
| 00:33.31 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:34.29 | JoshBorke | i'll send you some clear tape you can sign, that way i can affix it to the front of th ebook |
| 00:34.41 | clad|book | k k |
| 00:34.46 | clad|book | the 2nd book will be better |
| 00:34.48 | clad|book | ship that shit to the UK |
| 00:34.54 | JoshBorke | hm, is cog in the us? |
| 00:35.01 | JoshBorke | i mean the 2nd book :-) i don't own the first |
| 00:35.14 | JoshBorke | i don't need to know the stuff in the 1st |
| 00:35.35 | JoshBorke | specifically i'm looking forward to the section on secure buttons |
| 00:36.13 | JoshBorke | time to go for now |
| 00:36.14 | JoshBorke | taa taa |
| 00:36.33 | Kaso | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3363622601120086775&hl=en |
| 00:37.30 | clad|book | lol |
| 00:37.36 | clad|book | wow |
| 00:37.46 | Cidan | That's so retarded. |
| 00:37.53 | Cidan | No wonder I can't find a good rogue now-a-days. |
| 00:38.00 | Kaso | heh |
| 00:38.12 | Olison | hahah Kaso |
| 00:38.13 | Kaso | he looks so totally pathetic doing his evisc spin |
| 00:38.46 | Kaso | im just amazed it was a good 15 sec before anyone made any reaction to him stealthing around the classroom |
| 00:39.18 | clad|book | he clearly had seal fate |
| 00:39.21 | clad|book | or was a nub rogue |
| 00:42.25 | AnduinLothar | One million iPhones sold in the first 74 days |
| 00:43.02 | Kaso | its got to have sucked to be one of the ones who bought one a few days before they cut the price |
| 00:43.22 | AnduinLothar | yup, least you get $100 store cred |
| 00:43.38 | AnduinLothar | it's always like that with apple tho. |
| 00:43.48 | AnduinLothar | they come out with new versions liek every 3-6 months |
| 00:43.55 | Kaso | true, its not like anyone didnt see it coming |
| 00:44.04 | Kaso | However the iTouch i wasnt expecting |
| 00:44.18 | Kaso | Im still resisting the urge to go and buy one right now, theyre pretty |
| 00:44.29 | AnduinLothar | yeah, tho i wish it had more space, i dont mind if it's as thick as the regular ipod |
| 00:44.40 | AnduinLothar | but i'm sure it's flash |
| 00:44.46 | AnduinLothar | and not a HD like the classic |
| 00:45.38 | Kaso | if the touch was HDD though it's battery life would be even shorter |
| 00:45.49 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 00:45.54 | AnduinLothar | I'm hopign to see a hybrid micro drive soon |
| 00:45.54 | Kaso | all that wifi touch screen osx goodness takes alot of power |
| 00:46.21 | AnduinLothar | 1GB flash, 100 GB HDD, sounds good to me |
| 00:46.57 | AnduinLothar | course that's kinda like ram |
| 00:47.41 | AnduinLothar | but i'm sure there's stuff that could benifit from flash, like the OS and the media player and the browser |
| 00:47.55 | AnduinLothar | and jsut have all the media on HDD |
| 00:48.43 | Kaso | problem with the cache is its gonna burn through the 1 million read right cycle limits on nand memory surprisngly fast, and people will start bitching when their drives start dying |
| 00:49.25 | AnduinLothar | nah, that's no worse than the batter replacement |
| 00:49.42 | AnduinLothar | long as they make it easy to replace w/o service |
| 00:50.16 | AnduinLothar | course, that's the thing, the price drop still doesn't have a good batt replacement |
| 00:51.34 | AnduinLothar | It's on the wishlist: 3G compat, service-free battery replacement, copy&paste functionality |
| 00:53.43 | Kaso | * Actually being availble in EU |
| 00:53.46 | Kaso | thats my wishlist |
| 00:54.08 | AnduinLothar | oh, that's solved by non-lockdown, which should be at the front of the list |
| 00:55.17 | AnduinLothar | couple more versions we may get those things. |
| 00:55.48 | AnduinLothar | 3G compat is mainly an issue with size and AT&T's coverage |
| 00:56.02 | AnduinLothar | copy&paste functionality is jsut software |
| 00:56.26 | AnduinLothar | service-free battery replacement is iffy, since the ipods still aren't easy to open |
| 00:56.54 | AnduinLothar | lockdown depends on demand i guess. and how much $ they get from at&t from the exclusive deal |
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| 01:14.11 | Shirik|AFK | 14(2011:2511:0214) 14(1115Kaydeethree14) if he's coming down, anyone's free game if you're in melee range of him. that's why everyone's supposed to get north of the tank |
| 01:14.12 | Shirik|AFK | he wasn't :( |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik|AFK | What sucks is we got him down next time, but of course I died at 1% |
| 01:14.28 | Shirik|AFK | because I decided to run up to him and get cleaved |
| 01:17.52 | Corrodias | dude, what the hell? gruul is kicking our ASS |
| 01:18.36 | Corrodias | it's like we have only half of the needed dps |
| 01:20.07 | Kaydeethree | new PTR build. current build: 7229. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ |
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| 02:03.05 | Shirik|AFK | Does anyone know of an addon that would cause linked loots to come up in a really strange color? |
| 02:03.14 | Shirik|AFK | Like the opening bracket is purple, then the text is yellow and the closing bracket red |
| 02:04.09 | Shirik|AFK | strangely enough according to devtools it should just be a constant color |
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| 02:20.35 | Thunder_Child | yes... |
| 02:21.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, do you have rating buster? |
| 02:22.40 | Shirik|AFK | I don't think so |
| 02:22.55 | Shirik|AFK | want me to show you a screenshot of what I'm talking about? |
| 02:23.08 | Thunder_Child | sure |
| 02:26.16 | Shirik|AFK | First line of chat log: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c34f6f3baffa9dc332d1c384777f0060.jpg |
| 02:26.38 | Shirik|AFK | perhaps it's CTRA? |
| 02:26.48 | Shirik|AFK | It's the only thing I think I chagned |
| 02:27.05 | FlAWD | DVD+R or -R ... for data storage? anyone have any legitimate reason one is better? |
| 02:27.17 | Shirik|AFK | FlAWD: Does your drive support both? |
| 02:27.36 | FlAWD | yes |
| 02:27.57 | FlAWD | i'm thinking http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817505010 ... i like ritek :) |
| 02:27.59 | Shirik|AFK | Go with -R. +R used to be better in the sense that it could be recorded faster, but not so much anymore. -R is more widely supported, so use that |
| 02:28.14 | FlAWD | cool .. thanks :D |
| 02:28.28 | Rallion | -R ftw. |
| 02:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Offtopic: what is the cap for resistances? (ie, FR, FrR, NR, AR, etc.) |
| 02:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | 350? |
| 02:32.34 | Shirik | ugh I used to know this |
| 02:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 02:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought it was 350 |
| 02:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It was at 60, anyways |
| 02:33.06 | Kaydeethree | your level + 3 * 5 if memory serves |
| 02:33.20 | Shirik | Damage reduction = (R / (Lc * 5)) * 0.75 |
| 02:33.30 | Shirik | maximum damage mitigation is always 75% |
| 02:33.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, always 75% cap |
| 02:33.56 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 02:33.57 | Shirik | R = Rb + min((Lt - Lc) * 5, 0) |
| 02:34.14 | Shirik | so, assuming a boss |
| 02:34.21 | Shirik | Kaydeethree's formula is right |
| 02:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha |
| 02:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 365 cap against raid bosses then |
| 02:36.49 | Shirik | lua> 70+3*5 |
| 02:36.49 | cladbot | Shirik: 85 |
| 02:36.51 | Shirik | er |
| 02:36.56 | Shirik | lua> (70+3)*5 |
| 02:36.56 | cladbot | Shirik: 365 |
| 02:36.59 | Shirik | ~lart Kaydeethree |
| 02:36.59 | purl | holds Kaydeethree to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 02:37.04 | Shirik | l2orderofoperations |
| 02:37.28 | Legorol | guys, what are you talking about? 365 is most definitely not the resistance cap |
| 02:37.36 | Shirik | According to that formula it is |
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| 02:37.40 | Shirik | I'm just going off what wowwiki says |
| 02:37.41 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:37.41 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 02:37.48 | Legorol | where'd you get the formula? |
| 02:37.58 | Shirik | 14(2211:3611:3414) 14(11Shirik14) I'm just going off what wowwiki says |
| 02:38.02 | Thrae | Shirik: I added a debugging command to !vs called !vsd, with the same parameters |
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| 02:38.07 | Shirik | Thrae: cool |
| 02:38.24 | Legorol | Shirik: bit more specifically? wowwiki is big, and different pages often have conflicting info |
| 02:38.36 | Shirik | wow omg spam |
| 02:38.40 | Shirik | Glad I did that in PM |
| 02:38.43 | Kaydeethree | ...it's a wiki? fix it if it's wrong |
| 02:38.46 | Thrae | Shirik: Haha |
| 02:38.54 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: I don't know the solution so... Legorol: Resistance |
| 02:40.08 | Shirik | And Legorol: If it isn't, then what is? |
| 02:40.53 | Wobwork | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock |
| 02:40.55 | Wobwork | win |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Any idea on that addon |
| 02:41.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:41.47 | Legorol | Shirik: i don't know what the actual maximum is, but at around 400 resistance, i still take significant damage from pandemonius (first boss in mana tombs) |
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| 02:42.25 | Shirik | Maybe the great Iriel knows! |
| 02:42.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no...i was thinking in the tooltip |
| 02:42.38 | Thunder_Child | not chat |
| 02:42.42 | Shirik | sorry =( |
| 02:42.54 | Shirik | Hey Iriel, any idea what would cause your chat log to do this? |
| 02:42.56 | Shirik | 14(2211:2511:1014) 14(11Shirik|AFK14) First line of chat log: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c34f6f3baffa9dc332d1c384777f0060.jpg |
| 02:42.57 | Thunder_Child | what chat mod are you runing? |
| 02:43.04 | Shirik | Prat, but I've never seen it do that before |
| 02:43.06 | Shirik | ever |
| 02:43.10 | Shirik | And I've used it for quite a wihle |
| 02:43.27 | Thunder_Child | i assume it *can* do that |
| 02:43.52 | Shirik | Maybe I'd be more content if I were given a reason for it doing that :( |
| 02:44.12 | Thunder_Child | hmm..so actual loot is fine, merely linked loot is color flavored |
| 02:44.40 | Iriel | Shirik: You mean the bracket colors? |
| 02:44.54 | Thunder_Child | and the item text i assume |
| 02:44.55 | Shirik | Yeah, and the yellow text |
| 02:45.09 | Shirik | devtools says it should be a plain color, as I would expect |
| 02:45.21 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:45.21 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 02:45.41 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:45.42 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 02:45.43 | Iriel | Hm.. did devtools show you an event, or the string passed to :AddMessage ? |
| 02:45.44 | Thunder_Child | Thrae! your bot needs a slapin |
| 02:46.09 | Shirik | It showed me CHAT_MSG_RAID_LEADER |
| 02:46.12 | Shirik | or whatever else it's called |
| 02:46.45 | Iriel | But there's an addon abusing that string, right? |
| 02:46.50 | Shirik | I guess so |
| 02:47.06 | Shirik | But devtools reports the string (arg1) as I expect it... one constant purple color for the item |
| 02:47.19 | Shirik | (I wish I had SSed the devtool tooltip too) |
| 02:47.31 | Thunder_Child | so whatever is affecting it is after devtools scans it? |
| 02:47.39 | Iriel | My guess is that whatever addon is doing your timestamps and whatever is breaking the color codes |
| 02:47.42 | Thunder_Child | scans/intercepts |
| 02:48.31 | Shirik | But see what's even more wierd |
| 02:48.33 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Iriel...except for that, it apears to be a standard prat...i have the same look on mine |
| 02:48.35 | Shirik | it doesn't happen on every item |
| 02:48.42 | Shirik | It only happens every so often |
| 02:48.48 | Iriel | Oh, maybe it's related to the item cache stuff |
| 02:48.50 | Shirik | I saw it twice today out of about 7 items or so |
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| 02:49.00 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:49.12 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:49.12 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 02:49.15 | Iriel | Were they all items you might not have had in your local cache at the time? |
| 02:49.31 | Shirik | I would assume so, but I could very well be wrong |
| 02:49.43 | Thunder_Child | anyways.. Shirik your UI fails, it's to crowded |
| 02:49.46 | Iriel | Still, that doesn't make much sense |
| 02:49.49 | Shirik | It does |
| 02:49.55 | Shirik | You know how I make my UI? |
| 02:50.03 | Shirik | I go "Hey I need this info" and I slap it on there in whatever corner it fits |
| 02:50.07 | Shirik | over and over again |
| 02:50.15 | Shirik | You should see it in action :P |
| 02:50.20 | Cidan | No actually |
| 02:50.24 | Cidan | You really shouldn't |
| 02:50.28 | Cidan | It's enough to blind a man. |
| 02:50.30 | Shirik | hey you know I might have a shot of it |
| 02:50.38 | Thunder_Child | damit Cidan, you beat me to it |
| 02:50.45 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 02:50.46 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 02:50.46 | Thunder_Child | i was gonna mention blind |
| 02:50.50 | Thrae | ~tbr |
| 02:50.51 | purl | from memory, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a PvP-oriented weighted logarithmic algorithm partially dependant on build type that and mostly dependant on what stats the Armoury currently has for you, that when used to compare two characters, tries to take into account which classes are fighting each other. or "to be ... |
| 02:51.11 | Cidan | current setup: http://emoemu.com/myui.jpg |
| 02:51.14 | Thunder_Child | i think you need to fix that Thrae |
| 02:51.33 | Thrae | ~realtbr |
| 02:51.42 | Shirik | ooooh |
| 02:51.46 | Shirik | I have a shot of me at gruul |
| 02:51.52 | Shirik | unfortunately it's on my hunter |
| 02:51.53 | Shirik | but here you go |
| 02:51.54 | Thrae | purl, real tbr is TBR += level * (math.fmod(stat_value, math.log(stat_value)) or 0) * weight / level_difference. |
| 02:51.55 | purl | Thrae: okay |
| 02:52.03 | Shirik | My healer UI is far more complex |
| 02:52.19 | Thrae | purl, real tbr is TBR += level * (math.fmod(stat_value, math.log(stat_value)) or 0) * weight / level_difference. See ~tbr for more information. |
| 02:52.19 | purl | ...but real tbr is already something else... |
| 02:52.25 | Thrae | purl, no, real tbr is TBR += level * (math.fmod(stat_value, math.log(stat_value)) or 0) * weight / level_difference. See ~tbr for more information. |
| 02:52.26 | purl | Thrae: okay |
| 02:53.22 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/63f5a9799a76dacee1520944304c150b.jpg |
| 02:53.23 | Shirik | whooo |
| 02:53.25 | Shirik | spam ftw |
| 02:53.33 | Shirik | That's actually not bad either |
| 02:53.52 | Thrae | ~real tbr |
| 02:53.53 | purl | methinks real tbr is TBR += level * (math.fmod(stat_value, math.log(stat_value)) or 0) * weight / level_difference, for all relative weights for that char, divided by all weights / 10. See ~tbr for more information. |
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| 02:54.27 | Thrae | !help vsd |
| 02:54.27 | ThraeBot | !vsd <eu/us> <server> <character> <eu/us> <server2> <character2> -- This shows how each stat adds to that character's TBR, where w:<number> is the weight for that stat vs that class and/or build type, and (c+<number>) is a count of all weights related to the fight, even if the stat is 0. The final TBR is divded by c. |
| 02:54.47 | Shirik | ok Thrae I'll play with that when I get back |
| 02:54.51 | Shirik | for now it's time for dinner |
| 02:55.18 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, gonna fix the english for tbr? |
| 02:59.22 | Thrae | ~tbr |
| 02:59.22 | purl | tbr is, like, ThraeBot Ratings, a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type. When used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR, it will also try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 02:59.50 | JoshBorke | Shirik|AFK: what's your priest again? |
| 03:00.38 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Happy? |
| 03:01.21 | Thunder_Child | umm...sure..i was just pointing out that the old one had some slight errors |
| 03:01.51 | JoshBorke | Thrae: what's the status on TinyTip? what features are missing from it that it used to have (Ace version vs newest version) |
| 03:04.42 | Thrae | JoshBorke: v3 TinyTip isn't released yet, but works fine. It uses no framework, uses only one main hook, and other optimizations. The working part of TinyTip is the actual "TinyTip", no modules, where you don't have a database or slash commands, just StandAloneConfig.lua. |
| 03:05.24 | Thrae | JoshBorke: TinyTip basically makes your tooltip look and feel just like v2, except it lacks some options like Targets and Buffs/Debuffs, which will be in modules. |
| 03:05.40 | JoshBorke | Thrae: ok. had someone asking about it earlier |
| 03:05.46 | JoshBorke | wanted to hear it from the ass's mouth as it were |
| 03:06.09 | Thrae | JoshBorke: ur mum's an ass |
| 03:06.29 | JoshBorke | she also doesn't know when to shut up |
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| 03:18.42 | bleeter | http://imagestore.ugbox.net/image/AustraliaS_d47d84187b90be6.jpg |
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| 03:21.11 | bleeter | oh great, my 'the GM said this is working as intended, why so' post to the CM forum got bumped over to the bug forum |
| 03:21.17 | bleeter | so... it must be a bug? |
| 03:22.27 | Shirik|AFK | =( I feel so stupid now |
| 03:22.42 | JoshBorke | shirik: it's ok to be stupid |
| 03:22.51 | Shirik | So when I moved into my apartment I told them one of the outlets isn't working on the wall |
| 03:23.04 | Shirik | I noticed a paper attached to my door today, a maintenance request reciept. |
| 03:23.32 | Shirik | On it, it says "Functioning OK. Note: The outlet is controlled by the wall switch at the entrance" |
| 03:23.46 | JoshBorke | pwned |
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| 03:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 03:28.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, the forums really need a 'auto lock after X days of inactivity' feature. |
| 03:35.35 | Thrae | The faeries, or 'fae', were the ancient gods of ye 'ol Ireland, which were cast deep underground. Later, they split into other tribes -- elves, dwarves, gnomes, goblins (some of which were the same thing, different name) |
| 03:35.39 | Thrae | Therefore, if you are an Elf, Dwarf or Gnome, you are indeed, a Fairy. |
| 03:36.00 | Shirik | So have you guys heard of this concept of an operating system written entirely in Java? |
| 03:36.21 | Thrae | Shirik: Are you trying to be fresh? |
| 03:36.27 | Shirik | no, I just found out :( |
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| 03:37.03 | Shirik | I find it... interesting |
| 03:37.26 | Thrae | Well it's very old news...and Sun has been very wishy-washy about the project. At this point, OSX or even Linux will overtake the project. |
| 03:37.47 | Shirik | I never follow news well :( |
| 03:39.38 | sylvanaar | Thunder_Child you know someone else was reporting the first bracket of an itemlink getting miscolored |
| 03:40.03 | sylvanaar | Thunder_Child any chance you can capture some info for me? |
| 03:40.15 | Shirik | sylvanaar: I would be the one with the problem |
| 03:40.16 | Thunder_Child | wasnt my issue..was Shirik's |
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| 03:45.05 | bleeter | my god |
| 03:45.22 | clad|book | . |
| 03:45.23 | bleeter | 'working as intended' = 'undocumented bug' |
| 03:45.25 | clad|book | [ |
| 03:45.33 | bleeter | *could be an undocumented bug |
| 03:45.44 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531256073&sid=1 |
| 03:46.14 | bleeter | ie, unexpected/undocumented behaviour = 'working as intended, don't bother posting it as a bug' |
| 03:48.34 | bleeter | Shirik: the JavaOS is an old old old old project, gets resurrected every year or so.. not much happens tho |
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| 04:17.23 | MentalPower | bleeter: Mathinna == you? |
| 04:18.39 | bleeter | MentalPower: aye |
| 04:19.23 | MentalPower | I lol'ed @ "Sorry, my [Circular-Logic Detector] just exploded." |
| 04:19.48 | bleeter | MentalPower: I'd just had a morning of it exploding @ Uni... I'm suprised it was operational again |
| 04:20.25 | bleeter | yay for tutorial assments on topics not covered in lectures yet :/ |
| 04:20.39 | MentalPower | eek! |
| 04:21.10 | bleeter | though, knowing this lot, it probably was mentioned in passing briefly, but by some other name |
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| 04:23.18 | Valaron | :( |
| 04:23.31 | MentalPower | howdy Valaron |
| 04:23.35 | Valaron | My gf and I just called things off. |
| 04:23.53 | MentalPower | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 04:23.57 | Valaron | Howdy. |
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| 04:30.56 | cogwheel | clad|book: ping |
| 04:31.06 | clad|book | pong |
| 04:31.46 | cogwheel | wait nm |
| 04:31.49 | cogwheel | i'm an idjit |
| 04:31.59 | Valaron | Hmm |
| 04:32.00 | cogwheel | unping |
| 04:32.48 | clad|book | hrm.. k |
| 04:35.21 | Valaron | Well.. good night all. |
| 04:36.16 | Shirik | night all |
| 04:40.00 | Thunder_Child | "(21:32:02) (cogwheel) i'm an idjit" QFT :) |
| 04:40.31 | cogwheel | if clad|book saw who i meant to ping he'd kill me |
| 04:40.44 | cogwheel | srsly |
| 04:40.56 | cogwheel | Tem would kill me too |
| 04:41.43 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:42.45 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 04:43.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|zZz fails |
| 04:45.15 | clad|book | lol |
| 04:45.51 | Shirik|zZz | yeah yeah |
| 04:45.59 | Shirik|zZz | cogwheel: I should point out however |
| 04:46.10 | Shirik|zZz | I am a computer engineer, not a software engineer. I thrive on being close to hardware |
| 04:46.14 | Shirik|zZz | So I'm biased, and heavily |
| 04:46.18 | cogwheel | :) |
| 04:46.54 | art3mis | you should see what he does with acoustic couplers when he thinks no-one is looking |
| 04:47.33 | cogwheel | i've tried a little bit of everything though software definitely has a lower barrier to entry |
| 04:47.58 | Shirik|zZz | I love assembly, I love circuitry, etc. |
| 04:48.08 | Shirik|zZz | I expect I'll be going into embedded systems |
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| 04:48.16 | Shirik|zZz | already have some practice in that area |
| 04:48.20 | cogwheel | and if you fuck up you can wipe and start over unlike electronics where you have to buy a whole new chip if you wire it wrong :P |
| 04:48.26 | Shirik|zZz | heh |
| 04:48.45 | art3mis | thats why god invented solder wick ;P |
| 04:48.49 | Shirik|zZz | that's why we have simulators and DRCs :) |
| 04:49.00 | Shirik|zZz | and PCB netlists |
| 04:49.03 | Shirik|zZz | and then we let the computer do the rest |
| 04:52.48 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 04:55.53 | Tierrie_ | i am going to watch an autopsy for reasons that are unclear to me |
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| 04:59.32 | Thunder_Child | Tierrie_. because it's fun! |
| 05:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome. So. I'm remotely connected to a server at work, using it to work on a user's computer. |
| 05:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Suddenly, that computer stops responding completly |
| 05:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And I notice that the server is running on batteries now. |
| 05:01.39 | Tierrie_ | want the link? |
| 05:01.41 | Tierrie_ | its kind of gross |
| 05:01.53 | Thunder_Child | oh..it's not live :( |
| 05:01.53 | |Jelly| | sure |
| 05:03.14 | Tierrie_ | http://www.filecabi.net/video/autopsy.html |
| 05:03.18 | Tierrie_ | warning: explicit |
| 05:04.31 | Tierrie_ | i am about 1/3 through |
| 05:04.31 | Tierrie_ | i don't think i can finish watching this :( |
| 05:04.31 | Tem | cogwheel, huh? |
| 05:04.46 | cogwheel | Tem: not telling :P |
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| 05:12.07 | bleeter | right so after all that, finally worked out what the problem is... armory doesn't display an 'equip' or 'minimum level req' for quest items, or at least with regards to the item I was after info on |
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| 05:12.35 | bleeter | and after several hours of frustration, I can't be arsed investigating further, 'bout time Blizz spent some of the money they earned from me working it out for themselves ;) |
| 05:13.03 | bleeter | well, it does display, just not in the item tooltip... madness |
| 05:17.48 | sioraiocht | anyone here use/used O2 in the UK? |
| 05:18.13 | Thunder_Child | as in oxygen? |
| 05:18.24 | sioraiocht | lol no, the cell phone provider, dork |
| 05:18.29 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 05:18.33 | Thunder_Child | not i |
| 05:18.41 | sioraiocht | clearly ;) |
| 05:20.32 | Thunder_Child | not really, i'm just an ass in general |
| 05:21.07 | Thunder_Child | i have a friend that keeps calling me a dork after comments like that as well...weird |
| 05:22.37 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 05:24.52 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:24.57 | art3mis | you ARE a dork though TC |
| 05:26.59 | Thunder_Child | I AM THE WHALE PENIS OF SARCASIM |
| 05:27.57 | Thunder_Child | heh, totaly true though |
| 05:28.12 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:28.32 | art3mis | anyone used any super neat addons lately? |
| 05:28.44 | art3mis | hiya cairenn |
| 05:28.49 | Cairenn | hi |
| 05:28.49 | Wobwork | I still find Dash to be superneat |
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| 05:29.11 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 ToC: 20100 | RTFPN please | A joke's a very serious thing. - Charles Churchill |
| 05:29.12 | art3mis | still got yer cute little ass, or have you run that off between the two houses ;) |
| 05:29.18 | art3mis | what is dash? |
| 05:29.25 | Tierrie_ | whale penis of sarcasm |
| 05:29.26 | Tierrie_ | hm |
| 05:30.07 | Tierrie | watching that autopsy video has given me the heebies |
| 05:30.13 | Tierrie | heebie jeebies |
| 05:30.37 | Cairenn | wuss |
| 05:30.42 | Tierrie | did you see it? |
| 05:30.56 | Wobwork | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html |
| 05:31.00 | Thunder_Child | well i keep getting called a dork when i am sarcastic, so yes whale penis of sarcasim is apt |
| 05:31.27 | art3mis | yeah just checked it |
| 05:31.39 | art3mis | ya know thats exactly what i was asking someone to code a while back ;P |
| 05:31.48 | Tierrie | one day one of the fuckers in this channel will write a whole OS into wow |
| 05:31.50 | art3mis | only with the ability to make more than one winder |
| 05:31.56 | Cairenn | Tierrie: the one you say, probably not, no |
| 05:32.02 | Cairenn | s/say/saw/ |
| 05:32.03 | Tierrie | so we'd have like tiny OSX virtualization within a window |
| 05:32.05 | Tierrie | while raiding |
| 05:32.14 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:32.18 | Tierrie | "loook guys, iTunes" |
| 05:32.32 | Thunder_Child | like there needs to be more things to take your attention away from the game.... |
| 05:32.39 | art3mis | im still waiting for cryect to make amriokart for wow |
| 05:32.49 | art3mis | mariokart |
| 05:32.49 | Tierrie | Cairenn: see it, then tell me again that i'm a wuss |
| 05:33.02 | Cairenn | Tierrie: lol, you don't know me |
| 05:33.24 | art3mis | she ate an entire taxi when she came to new york |
| 05:33.27 | art3mis | without chewing |
| 05:33.30 | Tierrie | yah but when i tried to get to know you, you said you were married! |
| 05:33.32 | Tierrie | ba dum pah! |
| 05:33.49 | Cairenn | Tierrie: my dream job (that never panned out) was to be an EMT |
| 05:33.49 | Tierrie | anyway, that movie is like |
| 05:33.56 | art3mis | it was amazing, her stomach muscles had me in awe with thier ability to compact it to 4"x4" |
| 05:34.06 | Tierrie | i would like to be a part time fireman |
| 05:34.10 | Cairenn | Tierrie: I dissected stuff in various biology classes while eating cheesies |
| 05:34.15 | Tierrie | O_o |
| 05:34.18 | art3mis | the part where you sit around the club house all day? |
| 05:34.24 | Tierrie | i can't paper cut my finger without crying |
| 05:34.26 | art3mis | ior the fire fighting part? |
| 05:34.37 | Tierrie | the part where i go to wildernesses to fight forest fires |
| 05:34.56 | Cairenn | so, yeah, I say again - wuss :p ;) |
| 05:35.00 | Tierrie | ok |
| 05:35.02 | Tierrie | cairenn |
| 05:35.06 | Tierrie | watch the link |
| 05:35.13 | Tierrie | this is a showdown! |
| 05:35.25 | Cairenn | gimme the link, I cleared my scroll back |
| 05:35.29 | Tierrie | http://www.filecabi.net/video/autopsy.html |
| 05:35.45 | Tierrie | i go to 10 minutes left before i started skipping |
| 05:35.53 | Tierrie | right after they took off the top of her skull |
| 05:36.01 | Tierrie | and took out the brain |
| 05:36.13 | Cairenn | I take it you never watch CSI either |
| 05:36.19 | Tierrie | csi is not very graphic |
| 05:36.31 | Wobwork | It's all computer graphics =) |
| 05:36.48 | Cairenn | they cut the top of someone's skull off all the time in CSI :p |
| 05:36.58 | bleeter | Wobwork: did you see the piccy I posted earlier? |
| 05:37.07 | Tierrie | look, watch it, and then, if you are still here, then tell me i'm a wuss :P |
| 05:37.21 | Wobwork | nyet |
| 05:37.31 | bleeter | http://imagestore.ugbox.net/image/AustraliaS_d47d84187b90be6.jpg |
| 05:37.35 | Wobwork | did it involve breasts and grubs? |
| 05:37.41 | bleeter | grubs.. kinda |
| 05:37.46 | Wobwork | rofl |
| 05:38.00 | Wobwork | surely you've seen that one? |
| 05:38.32 | Wobwork | http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/breastrash.asp |
| 05:38.35 | Wobwork | warning |
| 05:38.37 | Wobwork | NOT PRETTY |
| 05:38.41 | Wobwork | REALLY NOT =P |
| 05:38.53 | Wobwork | (Don't say I didn't warn you) |
| 05:39.01 | Cairenn | no, not pretty at all |
| 05:39.07 | Wobwork | =\ |
| 05:39.13 | Wobwork | That image messed with me |
| 05:39.33 | Wobwork | I still get the shivers thinking about it =P |
| 05:39.34 | bleeter | domain name and directory name and filename combine to realise I dun wanna go cliky there :P |
| 05:39.41 | bleeter | *to make me realise |
| 05:39.44 | Wobwork | oh snopes isn't bad |
| 05:40.03 | Wobwork | the article is less than pretty though |
| 05:40.11 | Wobwork | I taught my mother about Snopes =) |
| 05:40.22 | bleeter | I know Snopes :P |
| 05:40.28 | art3mis | thats pretty awesome though |
| 05:40.31 | Wobwork | It's great to see her send back emails with snopes links to our family members who send around scare chain emails |
| 05:40.59 | Tierrie | not pretty |
| 05:41.02 | Tierrie | i think |
| 05:41.03 | Tierrie | i think |
| 05:41.10 | Tierrie | fuck man, i don't think i can sleep tonight |
| 05:41.15 | art3mis | haha bleeter |
| 05:41.31 | Wobwork | Tierrie: I did warn you =( |
| 05:41.38 | Tierrie | dude its not just your link |
| 05:41.41 | Tierrie | its that + autopsy |
| 05:41.42 | art3mis | you should bring up the superiority of the 8track vs the cassette tape ;P |
| 05:42.00 | bleeter | I just moaned lots about quartz-locked radio and the reduction of fun one can have in bed late at night under the covers |
| 05:42.01 | Tierrie | i never understood why the HTML stuff is called radio either |
| 05:42.08 | Tierrie | and i was there when HTML took off |
| 05:42.14 | Cairenn | well, he's just removed the spleen, and it still isn't bothering me |
| 05:42.19 | art3mis | radio buttons |
| 05:42.23 | art3mis | geeze |
| 05:42.26 | Wobwork | although, did anyone see that documentary series of Real Life Autopsy? With that mad german surgeon? |
| 05:42.29 | Cairenn | I'm down to 15 mins left |
| 05:42.30 | Thunder_Child | spleen shmeen |
| 05:42.46 | bleeter | oO Cairenn's going down in 15 mins? |
| 05:42.53 | Tierrie | whoo hoo |
| 05:42.53 | Cairenn | >< |
| 05:43.01 | Thunder_Child | pic's or it didnt happen |
| 05:43.18 | Cairenn | there's the kidneys |
| 05:43.28 | Tierrie | i don't really need a blow by blow cairenn |
| 05:43.31 | Tierrie | i just watched it myself |
| 05:43.36 | Cairenn | hehehe, sorry |
| 05:43.46 | art3mis | i find it disturbing that 208 people have downloaded HKUI |
| 05:43.54 | Tierrie | but if you finish watching it and you still don't find it disturbing, we should do an S&M session! |
| 05:44.21 | art3mis | but kind of coolt aht 123 and 251 have downloaded the iron cross and hk cycircled stuff |
| 05:44.34 | Wobwork | Gunter van Hagens |
| 05:45.46 | Tierrie | uh oh |
| 05:45.56 | Tierrie | i am looking at porn now and all i can see is dissected corpses |
| 05:46.02 | Tierrie | that autopsy has turned me off porn! |
| 05:46.05 | Tierrie | OH MY GAWD |
| 05:46.16 | Cairenn | awww, poor Tierrie |
| 05:46.23 | Wobwork | World in crisis! World in crisis! |
| 05:46.32 | Tierrie | that link wob linked didn't help either |
| 05:46.58 | art3mis | good god teir |
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| 05:47.18 | Cairenn | you know, the human body really is truly amazing - how all of that stuff can be packed inside us and the way it all works - completely fascinating |
| 05:47.28 | art3mis | isnt time you put on yer sleepy time booties and go to bed with your space ship mobile spinning? |
| 05:47.52 | Tierrie | :( |
| 05:51.03 | Tierrie | how you feeling cairenn |
| 05:51.24 | Cairenn | hmmm, she had a uterine tumour, that must have been scary when they first discovered it |
| 05:51.56 | Tierrie | do you never imagine yourself in that situation when you watch it? |
| 05:52.01 | Tierrie | or do you just not worry about it |
| 05:52.17 | Cairenn | what, dead and having someone do an autopsy on me? |
| 05:52.25 | Tierrie | both |
| 05:52.53 | Tierrie | oh nice, lingerie still works |
| 05:53.29 | Cairenn | I've already told my family, and they've agreed to it, that I want any organs that can be used for transplant used, then donate whatever is left to a university for med students to practice on |
| 05:53.42 | Cairenn | and if there is still anything left after that, just cremate it |
| 05:53.50 | Tierrie | wow |
| 05:53.56 | Tierrie | that's very different from my last wishes |
| 05:54.07 | Tierrie | which is to take all the money from my retirement, bank account and all my assets |
| 05:54.11 | Tierrie | convert it to gold coins |
| 05:54.14 | Tierrie | and be buried with it |
| 05:54.30 | Cairenn | if my death can help someone else's future, then that is the legacy I want |
| 05:54.51 | Tierrie | mine will too, it'll help some dumb college kid 100 year in the future digging up my grave |
| 05:54.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:54.59 | Tierrie | "LEGEND OF TIERRIE" |
| 05:55.03 | Tierrie | "ITS IN THE WOODS SOMEWHERE" |
| 05:55.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm the exact opposite |
| 05:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to scar as many people as possible with my funeral |
| 05:55.33 | Tierrie | so animatronics? |
| 05:55.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | perhaps getting a springloaded coffin |
| 05:55.39 | Tierrie | haha |
| 05:55.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | during the ceremony, a recording will play |
| 05:55.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | of me saying "i'm back bitches" |
| 05:55.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i will be flung into the crowd |
| 05:55.57 | Cairenn | brain stem is fine |
| 05:55.57 | Tierrie | i think stuffed + robotics would do nicely |
| 05:55.59 | art3mis | rabies |
| 05:56.00 | Tierrie | rotfl |
| 05:56.08 | art3mis | get flayed and have an open casket ceremony |
| 05:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | tempting |
| 05:56.20 | art3mis | like the odies exhibit |
| 05:56.23 | art3mis | bodies |
| 05:56.32 | Tierrie | the bodies exhibit scares me |
| 05:56.36 | Wobwork | plastination =) |
| 05:56.38 | Tierrie | but cairenn would probably go right up and lick it |
| 05:56.40 | Wobwork | Gunter van Hagens =) |
| 05:56.47 | art3mis | its awesome |
| 05:56.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | perhaps getting my corpse formed into a recreation of tubgirl |
| 05:56.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno though |
| 05:57.02 | Tierrie | she'd be like NYUM NYUM NYUM, "tastes like formaldehyde" |
| 05:57.07 | Cairenn | not |
| 05:57.08 | art3mis | whats creepier is the guy who did the embalming and mummification on a man on a horse |
| 05:57.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think the sheer shock from the corpseapult would be pretty great |
| 05:57.22 | Wobwork | Well first |
| 05:57.27 | Wobwork | we build a giant wooden badger... |
| 05:57.33 | art3mis | it was masterful of course |
| 05:57.40 | Tierrie | well, frankly, i don't understand why if there are women that will donate their bodies to science, they won't donate their bodies to me |
| 05:57.41 | Tierrie | while they are alive |
| 05:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tierrie> while they are alive |
| 05:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | this |
| 05:58.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was very important to include |
| 05:58.35 | Tierrie | well, they'll be atheist of course, so it makes no difference |
| 05:58.53 | art3mis | and raelly if you're that hard up how does a pulse matter ;P |
| 05:59.02 | Tierrie | hey! |
| 05:59.12 | art3mis | after a while rigor goes away and EVERY place is a spongey hole waiting to be formed |
| 05:59.16 | Tierrie | thinking like that can end up with me humping a dvd+/-rw |
| 06:00.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | good going |
| 06:00.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | you scared off cogwheel |
| 06:00.58 | art3mis | did not! |
| 06:01.13 | Thunder_Child | but Tierrie, a dvd is hard and sharp, but a woman is soft and spongy...even a dead one |
| 06:02.12 | Tierrie | ah well |
| 06:02.21 | Tierrie | i found a link that partially restored my faith in humanity |
| 06:02.23 | Tierrie | who wants it? |
| 06:02.38 | Thunder_Child | pfft, faith is for...uhh...nvm |
| 06:02.55 | Tierrie | hey cairenn |
| 06:02.59 | Tierrie | done watching yet? |
| 06:03.05 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
| 06:03.18 | Tierrie | feeling friskey? |
| 06:04.06 | Cairenn | not really, but I'm not feeling like I want to go puke, either |
| 06:05.05 | Tierrie | well i didn't either |
| 06:05.07 | Tierrie | but it was disturbing |
| 06:05.15 | Tierrie | but i note that you're no longer calling me a wuss |
| 06:05.17 | Tierrie | buahaha |
| 06:05.56 | art3mis | wuss |
| 06:06.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty much immune to most of the stuff the internet throws at me |
| 06:06.26 | art3mis | i found a link that makes tubgirl seem tame ;P |
| 06:06.30 | art3mis | want it? |
| 06:06.32 | Cairenn | it wasn't disturbing |
| 06:06.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | beheading and catstomping videos only make me wince now |
| 06:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 06:07.11 | Tierrie | ah nuts |
| 06:07.16 | Tierrie | why the hell did you have to bring it up |
| 06:07.49 | Tierrie | damn it cairenn, i hate tonight's conversation theme, let me know when its naughty night again |
| 06:08.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:08.13 | buu | Oh god. |
| 06:08.25 | buu | The raging conversation in this forum is whether or not soulshatter can miss.. |
| 06:08.48 | Tierrie | its a spell so it cannot |
| 06:08.49 | Iriel | Sleepy time for me.. gnight |
| 06:09.00 | Tierrie | now call everyone a dumbass |
| 06:09.41 | buu | Tierrie: ... Wow. |
| 06:10.05 | Tierrie | :( |
| 06:10.17 | Tierrie | this is the warlock spell that reduces aggro right? |
| 06:10.22 | Tierrie | by like x%? |
| 06:10.28 | buu | Yes. |
| 06:10.34 | Tierrie | so it cannot miss! |
| 06:10.35 | buu | It's a spell so of course it can miss |
| 06:10.43 | Tierrie | what! |
| 06:10.44 | buu | I think eveyr spell that affects an enemy can miss. |
| 06:10.49 | Tierrie | it can be resisted |
| 06:11.06 | buu | Spells *miss* and show up as resisted in yhe combat log. It's not my fault the log is wrong! |
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| 06:11.30 | Tierrie | i'm going to go with my "call everyone a dumbass" solution |
| 06:11.34 | Tierrie | it works for bush |
| 06:12.07 | Tierrie | actually my memory is vague since i haven't played in a while, but i seem to recall spells can't, the only calculations involved is whether or not it can resist |
| 06:12.17 | buu | It's.. complicated. |
| 06:12.24 | buu | Because there are resists and there are miss. |
| 06:12.27 | buu | *misses |
| 06:12.44 | Tierrie | http://abyss.rbcb.net/groups/Game.Mechanics/view/30/ ? |
| 06:12.59 | Tierrie | ta da |
| 06:13.02 | Tierrie | yeah i remember now |
| 06:13.18 | buu | I'm way too lazy to sign up for whatever that is. |
| 06:13.18 | Tierrie | maybe you can't view it :( |
| 06:13.34 | Tierrie | ah well, basically it validates what you say in a while |
| 06:13.37 | Tierrie | in a way |
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| 06:17.36 | buu | Excellent. |
| 06:26.56 | AnduinLothar | http://mxr.cc/dls/2500093/23406406/SpiderPig(full).mp3 |
| 06:31.33 | Corrodias | if only i had some way to determine which addons are consuming the most CPU during combat |
| 06:31.36 | Corrodias | cpu time |
| 06:32.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | performancefu+cpu profiling should give you an estimate |
| 06:33.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and increasing memory rate helps with performance issues also for the most part |
| 06:34.17 | Corrodias | i think mik's scrolling battle text might be causing a bit of jitter during combat |
| 06:34.24 | Corrodias | -might- be. it's hard to tell subjectively. |
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| 06:35.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | make a char and disable everything but it |
| 06:35.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 06:35.03 | Corrodias | i'll give it a try, rabies |
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| 06:35.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | just make sure to turn off profiling when you actually want to play |
| 06:35.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it eats resources itself :x |
| 06:37.18 | Corrodias | well, the numbers in performancefu update about twice a second. i wonder if i can increase the interval. |
| 06:38.19 | Corrodias | i can tell that, at idle, ace2 takes about 1.5% of the cpu time and bartender 0.3% |
| 06:38.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | ace2's getting that because of all the addons that use it |
| 06:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it tends to list dependencies first |
| 06:39.23 | Corrodias | itemrack and trinketmenu are taking more than their fair share, though. it's showing over 9% for each during combat after i shoot. |
| 06:39.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, detach the tooltip |
| 06:39.39 | Corrodias | i have my libraries all externalized, including ace2 |
| 06:40.48 | Corrodias | recount wants a little cpu time after combat, not a big surprise |
| 06:42.00 | Corrodias | let's see what it's like with itemrack and trinketmenu disabled |
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| 06:44.47 | Corrodias | results are promising. now the highest cpu user is omnicc (helping out bartender) at 4% |
| 06:46.32 | art3mis | i am the man with no name...Zap Branagan at your service. |
| 06:51.16 | Corrodias | well, itemrack and trinketmenu are not -actually- making a huge impact. maybe they have some libraries. |
| 06:51.54 | Corrodias | hm, nope. well, whatever. i can live with this now that i have gotten rid of half of the jitteriness! |
| 06:57.50 | Intangir | http://digg.com/videos/gaming/Ron_Paul_rules_world_of_warcraft |
| 07:00.50 | Thunder_Child | odd http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/4500/Ass-Sauce--4840.jpg |
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| 07:51.01 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=771468519&postId=7710197297&sid=1#0 look what i did. :X |
| 07:52.12 | bleeter | should be engi pallies |
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| 09:18.12 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 10:11.23 | Kaso | I hate that my uni email doesnt have gmail stylie searching |
| 10:11.31 | Kaso | i really miss that when i dont have it availible |
| 10:13.19 | Wobin_ | forward your unimail to a gmail account |
| 10:13.57 | Kaso | yeh the proiblem with that is they love to spam random crap to our uni accounts that i really dont care about, and i dont want all that bothering me in my gmail account |
| 10:17.02 | Kaso | They have all these specialised mailing lists so they can send messages to exactly who needs them, but end up just using the "All department" list and annoying us who dont care about it |
| 10:17.19 | Kaso | It wouldn't be so bad but these are comp sci professors, i mean, come on |
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| 10:38.37 | bleeter | shiny new PTR |
| 10:41.11 | Maldivia | what's new |
| 10:42.22 | bleeter | dunno, I still got sound... so I dun care ;) |
| 10:44.29 | Maldivia | heh |
| 10:46.40 | bleeter | which makes me believe the linux dsound thing was even more a MS screwup than Blizz/Fmod |
| 10:46.45 | bleeter | I should apologise for that ;) |
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| 10:51.55 | bleeter | heh, parrently the outlands pvp ptr has gone down |
| 10:55.36 | Kaso | "Outlands is down" is a phrase you hear so oftern on ptr/beta, one wonders why it is liable to break so easily |
| 10:57.54 | |Pixel| | because it's not a "real" realm ? |
| 10:58.09 | |Pixel| | meaning the hardware isn't as huge as a normal realm hardware |
| 10:58.38 | Mentrobyt | Why do you think so ? |
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| 10:58.47 | |Pixel| | because it costs money ? :) |
| 10:58.51 | Mentrobyt | haha |
| 10:59.04 | |Pixel| | also, there shouldn't be as much GMs on PTR to report failures as in other realms |
| 11:00.32 | Mentrobyt | I rarely get into the ptr except times I need to update my addons :P |
| 11:01.05 | Mentrobyt | The PvP realms are worst tho, you always end up getting ganked :D |
| 11:01.08 | |Pixel| | so that's maybe why people care less about PTR than normal commercial realms :P |
| 11:01.29 | |Pixel| | ja, which is perfectly stupid |
| 11:01.47 | |Pixel| | gank will always work, whatever patch is, you don't need to test it :P |
| 11:02.08 | Mentrobyt | haha |
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| 11:08.22 | bleeter | 8 more days... 8 more days.... YARRRR! |
| 11:08.55 | |Pixel| | why 8 ? :) |
| 11:08.56 | nevcairiel | whats in 8 days? |
| 11:09.15 | bleeter | doh, idiots! |
| 11:09.22 | bleeter | biggest day in the year |
| 11:09.28 | |Pixel| | hmm |
| 11:09.28 | |Pixel| | nah |
| 11:09.31 | |Pixel| | christmas is later |
| 11:09.33 | bleeter | more than Christmas, New Years, Easter, Independance crap etc. etc. |
| 11:09.36 | Punkie` | YES 19th SEPTEMBER EVERYONE! |
| 11:09.38 | bleeter | Talk Like A Pirate Day! |
| 11:09.39 | Punkie` | woooo |
| 11:09.41 | bleeter | Punkie`++ |
| 11:09.43 | bleeter | YAARRRR |
| 11:09.54 | nevcairiel | whats 19th september? |
| 11:09.57 | nevcairiel | i know today, 11th |
| 11:10.01 | bleeter | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ |
| 11:10.02 | Cidan | dunno |
| 11:10.08 | Cidan | 18th is my birthday though |
| 11:10.10 | bleeter | you guys so unhip |
| 11:10.10 | Cidan | :D |
| 11:10.16 | bleeter | no wonder yer bums don't fall off |
| 11:10.39 | |Pixel| | mhhmhh |
| 11:10.44 | |Pixel| | may I skip this one ? :) |
| 11:10.59 | bleeter | we'll make you walk the plank if you do! |
| 11:14.30 | |Pixel| | aww |
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| 11:25.51 | |Jelly| | Morning Shirik |
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| 11:33.00 | Shirik | Morning |Jelly| |
| 11:33.26 | Shirik | I'm still psyched about killing that lock >< |
| 11:33.31 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 11:33.42 | |Jelly| | I'm hung over. :\ |
| 11:33.47 | Shirik | =( |
| 11:34.18 | |Jelly| | I'm taking it out on bears though. AE farming on my paladin. lol |
| 11:34.21 | bleeter | Definition of Irony: The only way you can get your hands on a copy of the movie Yellowbeard is ... |
| 11:34.27 | bleeter | via pirates |
| 11:34.42 | Kaso | hahaha |
| 11:40.06 | |Jelly| | Being dazed off your mount is annoying. :P |
| 11:40.59 | Kaso | And now you cant stack defense to prevent daze! :< |
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| 11:57.57 | Kalroth | Kaso: Biggest nerf ever >< |
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| 12:09.34 | Legorol | How many items does Gruul drop when killed? |
| 12:09.55 | |Jelly| | 4, if I recall. |
| 12:10.01 | |Jelly| | 2x t4 and 2x item. |
| 12:11.54 | |Jelly| | http://i1.tinypic.com/5x4l95d.gif <-- HOW is that not considered undead? :( |
| 12:13.58 | Kaso | Its just diseased |
| 12:14.02 | Kaso | not dead yet |
| 12:14.12 | |Jelly| | ...I guess. lol |
| 12:14.19 | Kaso | thats why it gives you infected wound, cos its diseased |
| 12:30.31 | Shirik | qq @ server restart in 15:00 |
| 12:30.37 | Shirik | good, because I need to take a shower and go to lab anyway |
| 12:30.56 | |Jelly| | Same...and I had just gotten in a group too. Maybe I outta read the notes before I log on. lol |
| 12:34.10 | bleeter | god, someone remind me to avoid RP server tomorrow... /trade got talking 'bout 911, some folks complained that was OT and not RP.. now it's all 'horde capped two towers, alliance will have revenge' aargh |
| 12:34.32 | bleeter | easier to drop all chat chans, really |
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| 12:47.47 | Shirik|AFK | so if I leave bottomscanner running |
| 12:47.51 | Shirik|AFK | will I get DCed for being AFK? |
| 12:50.46 | bleeter | can't recall that it's ever happened to me |
| 12:55.46 | JoshBorke | you will be marked as AFK |
| 12:55.53 | JoshBorke | so you will probably be dc'd at some point |
| 12:57.05 | bleeter | yeah, prolly never happened to me 'coz I eventually go empty mail, etc. before the timer ticks |
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| 13:00.06 | Shirik|AFK | Well I want to leave it on during class : |
| 13:00.06 | Shirik|AFK | :P |
| 13:00.14 | |Jelly| | laptop imo |
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| 13:00.36 | Shirik|AFK | ne peux pas utilizer :( |
| 13:01.10 | bleeter | well it's a bit pointless if you can't actually hit the hardware event, coz the item will prolly drift off the page while you're waiting to get back :P |
| 13:01.42 | bleeter | *any item it identifies to purchase will... |
| 13:01.48 | Shirik|AFK | yeah but it'll tell me |
| 13:01.49 | Shirik|AFK | then |
| 13:01.55 | Shirik|AFK | Then I can go back and look later |
| 13:02.00 | Shirik|AFK | maybe an hour from now |
| 13:02.04 | Shirik|AFK | My server is slow... very slow |
| 13:02.45 | bleeter | yeah, in an hour the item would definately drift off the page |
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| 13:02.53 | bleeter | you're best to just scan it when you get back to your comp |
| 13:03.43 | Shirik|AFK | shouldn't it still be up on the screen "do you want to buy?" |
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| 13:23.58 | mikma | http://www.iprong.com/article.php?id=2902 |
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| 13:28.09 | Wobin_ | "'horde capped two towers, alliance will have revenge'" |
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| 13:31.29 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 13:31.29 | Wobin_ | aiee |
| 13:31.29 | Wobin_ | that'd be only valid if they crashed their drakes into them |
| 13:31.29 | Wobin_ | And then the alliance blew them up from within =P |
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| 14:21.31 | Intangir | http://digg.com/videos/gaming/Ron_Paul_rules_world_of_warcraft |
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| 14:25.12 | Anvilator | Hi folks. Anyone know the formula for calculating the Crit chance Gained from an increase in Int for Mage class? I have done some experimenting, and it appears to be non linear, but I cant figure out an exact formula. |
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| 14:27.44 | [dRaCo] | Anvilator: checked wowwiki? |
| 14:29.34 | Anvilator | Yea, wowwiki suggests it's linear and that 80 Int = 1% Crit, but my testing suggests that's very innacurate. |
| 14:30.06 | [Ammo] | I always tought it was 100 int per crit% |
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| 14:33.34 | Anvilator | Well, lets say Im naked and have 161 int, the tooltip on the paperdoll says this increases my Crit by 2.92%. If however I gear up with 448 Int, same tooltip now says it gains me 6.51%. So thats 2 factors 0.0156919 and 0.0181366, suggesting the +crit benefit reduces as Int increases. |
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| 14:41.04 | |Jelly| | <333 |
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| 14:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | With kisses. |
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| 14:48.15 | Suntiger | [ammo] when you were 60 it was. |
| 14:49.58 | [Ammo] | ah |
| 14:50.23 | Anvilator | Hmm I serched many forums, and i cant even find a discussion on it. (Other than those that assume it's linear) |
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| 15:02.56 | ts|skrom | morning |
| 15:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, TS|Skrom |
| 15:03.14 | |Jelly| | Morning |
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| 15:06.02 | Valaron|Work | Morn' |
| 15:06.08 | |Jelly| | Morning Cog |
| 15:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | Heyas. |
| 15:06.25 | cog|work | hihi |
| 15:06.47 | alestane | Wow, is it 11 already... |
| 15:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | That it is. |
| 15:07.05 | cog|work | nuh uh... |
| 15:07.08 | cog|work | it's only 8 |
| 15:07.17 | Valaron|Work | It's 8:06.. I got into work 30 mins ago. |
| 15:07.42 | alestane | For you maybe... |
| 15:08.00 | Cide | 5:07pm |
| 15:08.08 | Punkie` | 4:07! |
| 15:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | Hike! |
| 15:08.13 | |Jelly| | 10:07am :) |
| 15:08.16 | Punkie` | omg we should all play guess the timezone |
| 15:08.24 | Valaron|Work | Cide is at GMT |
| 15:08.27 | Valaron|Work | I win |
| 15:08.34 | Anvilator | k i found it. '%Crit (from Int) = (Int*0.0125) + 0.91' I have no idea how those factors are arrived at, but it certainly appears to work. |
| 15:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, I live in my own little world. I wins the time zone. |
| 15:08.37 | Punkie` | no, i am :P |
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| 15:08.54 | Cide | I'm GMT +1 actually, you technically lose! |
| 15:09.02 | Punkie` | so owed |
| 15:09.06 | Punkie` | damn me too |
| 15:09.11 | alestane | |Jelly| is apparently in, like, Ohio or maybe Missouri or something. |
| 15:09.18 | |Jelly| | Or maybe Texas. |
| 15:09.19 | Valaron|Work | Oh.. grr.. forgot about daylight savings |
| 15:09.26 | cog|work | heh |
| 15:09.30 | alestane | I seem to remember Cide is in Sweden, which would be about right. |
| 15:09.48 | cladhaire | i'm about to be GMT |
| 15:09.49 | cladhaire | eek |
| 15:09.54 | Cide | ew. |
| 15:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Eeek. |
| 15:10.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:10.06 | cladhaire | getting closer beyatch |
| 15:10.21 | alestane | Are they only on Central Time in Texas? I thought it would be closer to Mountain time. |
| 15:10.24 | Cide | I'm scared |
| 15:10.25 | ts|skrom | |Jelly| CDT Represent! |
| 15:10.42 | Lopeppeppy | EST Forever! |
| 15:10.54 | |Jelly| | I happen to hate Texas. :\ |
| 15:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | It's merely an environment, |Jelly|.... don't hate the world, hate the people in the world! |
| 15:11.22 | alestane | Highly dubious whether the earlier DST change actually saved energy/money, I know anyone who was in IT went absolutely berserk over it. |
| 15:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | And therefore, in the scramble to prepare... I bet money was lost instead. |
| 15:12.12 | alestane | Huge amounts of stress and energy were poured into making sure all the computers wouldn't flip out or break people's schedules. |
| 15:12.30 | |Jelly| | Y2K!!! |
| 15:12.34 | Lopeppeppy | I vividly remember the Y2K rollover my husband's company dealt with... |
| 15:12.37 | alestane | Not wuite that bad. |
| 15:12.47 | alestane | s/wuite/quite/ |
| 15:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | They housed techs, their families, and support staff in the hotel across the street overnight, so no one would feel they were putting their family at risk by not being home... Threw a huge party with a clam bake... It was sooo overdone. |
| 15:13.47 | |Jelly| | ...and on that note |
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| 15:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, shhhhhh! |Jelly| is napping. |
| 15:16.11 | Valaron|Work | clam bake? |
| 15:16.14 | Valaron|Work | What's that? |
| 15:17.00 | alestane | Ahh! Evil West Coast person! |
| 15:19.20 | |Jelly|zZz | And I leave you with this old video that wins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gNktI3AF4Q |
| 15:19.28 | |Jelly|zZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.39 | ts|skrom | Oops, sorry my pet was already attacking |
| 15:20.27 | ts|skrom | pfft idiot, there is no spoon |
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| 15:22.04 | ts|skrom | |Jelly|zZz you don't get to decide what "wins" any more |
| 15:22.15 | Shirik | ts|skrom: No, I do that |
| 15:22.33 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.38 | ts|skrom | have you ace'd RDX yet? |
| 15:22.49 | alestane | What is RDX anyway? |
| 15:23.16 | ts|skrom | I think you scrubbed too much :p |
| 15:23.34 | Shirik | RDX dead |
| 15:23.39 | Shirik | There is only the conspiracy |
| 15:24.17 | ts|skrom | oh great another conspiracy nut |
| 15:24.26 | ts|skrom | can windfury proc off specials? |
| 15:24.40 | Wraanger | it surely procs off Stromstrike |
| 15:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | Only if you're wearing your [Tinfoil Hat] |
| 15:24.50 | [dRaCo] | totem or weapon imbue? |
| 15:24.51 | ts|skrom | sweet |
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| 15:24.52 | Wraanger | Stormstrike* |
| 15:24.53 | ts|skrom | ooo epic |
| 15:25.00 | Wraanger | weapon imbue |
| 15:25.05 | ts|skrom | [dRaCo] is there a difference? |
| 15:25.08 | [dRaCo] | yes |
| 15:25.15 | [dRaCo] | totem no longer procs of yellow dmg |
| 15:25.19 | ts|skrom | ahh |
| 15:25.20 | [dRaCo] | weapon imbue does |
| 15:25.20 | Wraanger | checked that myself many-many times ))) |
| 15:26.00 | ts|skrom | I was in a group in ZF last night and this fury specced warrior thought he was hot stuff |
| 15:26.27 | ts|skrom | at the end of the instance I was 26k damage behind him... and also 3 levels (he 50, me 47) I dinged during the instance about 60% of the way through |
| 15:26.46 | ts|skrom | he pulled ahead at the stairs where he could just whirlwind to his hearts content |
| 15:26.58 | ts|skrom | up to that point we were essentially dead even with me ahead often |
| 15:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that temple-stairs fight is pretty neat for AoEness. |
| 15:27.19 | ts|skrom | I was just thinking: wouldn't it have been nice if I could have actually benefited from that windfury totem :-/ |
| 15:28.50 | ts|skrom | oops forgot to mention I was on my druid (hence why the windfury didn't help me while he had it) |
| 15:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | Too many people live and die by hardcore numbers, instead of thinking to themselves... "Hmm, this fight the mage was tanking, so I bet him having lower damage is just fine" or "The priests were shackling, so it's okay that their healing was lower." |
| 15:29.58 | ts|skrom | well to be honest I'm not just trying to flex my epeen I was within 2% of his damage while taking about 15% less damage and was 3-4 levels lower |
| 15:30.07 | ts|skrom | it was his smugness that made me want to slap him though |
| 15:30.12 | ts|skrom | "ooo #1" |
| 15:30.17 | alestane | Or my favorite example, "This fury warrior's damage seems a lot lower than the rogue's (because she's spending rage on Improved Demo Shout so the party doesn't get killed)" |
| 15:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | That, I can soooo agree with. Smug sucks, and need to die. |
| 15:31.03 | alestane | OH GOD another one!?!! |
| 15:31.04 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531046356&sid=1 |
| 15:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | In my group someone gets down on a member every week, "Why wasn't your X higher/lower?" and there is always the same answer, "I was doing X Special Assignment. I did it. You didn't die. So STFU." |
| 15:31.14 | ts|skrom | I just wish I had had that 20% chance for an extra hit so I could take his "#1" and shove it up his nose |
| 15:31.45 | Lopeppeppy | Do it anyway, TS|Skrom, just for the satisfaction of watching him bleed. |
| 15:31.51 | ts|skrom | I rarely pay attention to numbers. I mainly just have damage meters loaded so I show up good to the people that do pay attention |
| 15:32.03 | ts|skrom | auto sync and whatnot |
| 15:32.09 | Legorol | ts|skrom: if you don't care, why do you want to show up good :) |
| 15:32.18 | ts|skrom | because some people do care :D |
| 15:32.28 | alestane | ts|skrom: You weren't getting it because you were using things energy/rage maneuvers that don't count (am I understanding the discussion correctly)? |
| 15:32.29 | ts|skrom | and because it's interesting to look at every once in awhile |
| 15:32.46 | ts|skrom | no I wasn't getting it because feral forms can't proc windfury |
| 15:33.14 | [dRaCo] | druids cant get weapon procs at all |
| 15:33.16 | ts|skrom | no "chance on hits" work |
| 15:33.16 | alestane | That seems like a gyp...because they're not weapon attacks? |
| 15:33.25 | ts|skrom | essentially yeah |
| 15:33.48 | ts|skrom | weapon enchancts are the same way |
| 15:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | The only thing that druids can get benefit from are Adamantite Sharpening Stones (if I'm remembering their name right) |
| 15:34.04 | ts|skrom | which is why we stick to +stat type of enchants and you won't see a (smart) druid with a crusader |
| 15:34.08 | alestane | I presume someone has hassled Blizzard about this? |
| 15:34.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think the answer is "working as intended, they are using claws and not weapons for their attacks" |
| 15:34.36 | Industrial | ~seen N00bZXI |
| 15:34.38 | purl | n00bzxi <n=rage@cpe-66-27-119-79.san.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 15h 33m 8s ago, saying: 'With --no-fonts it takes just about that long.'. |
| 15:34.50 | Industrial | :( |
| 15:34.51 | ts|skrom | same "working as intended" that keeps em from using pots in forms I'd wager |
| 15:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | Blizzard is all hung up about opposable thumbs... *sigh* |
| 15:35.23 | ts|skrom | I'd trade much of it just to be able to "open" quest items in forms |
| 15:35.32 | alestane | Still seems like your special abilities should not rob you of a party benefit. |
| 15:35.45 | ts|skrom | a lot of wasted mana/time to have to shift out to gather that wildkin feather off the ground |
| 15:36.03 | Industrial | pff mount :P |
| 15:36.20 | ts|skrom | pardon? |
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| 15:37.00 | Lopeppeppy | When wandering around a zone on paws to farm and do quests, they tend to be the druid's own paws. |
| 15:37.12 | Industrial | why shapeshift when you can mount? :P |
| 15:37.20 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?object=153239 |
| 15:37.22 | Industrial | *shrug* |
| 15:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure I'm going to bother with a mount for my kitty until she hits outlands. Why mount when you already have paws? |
| 15:37.31 | alestane | Because travle form is instant-cast. |
| 15:37.49 | Industrial | faster! |
| 15:37.52 | ts|skrom | lol |
| 15:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | So? |
| 15:38.00 | Industrial | more efficient! |
| 15:38.00 | ts|skrom | I'm referring more to when grinding/questing |
| 15:38.04 | ts|skrom | I don't mount in between mobs |
| 15:38.10 | ts|skrom | and I don't travel around JUST to gather feathers |
| 15:38.11 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, TS|Skrom. |
| 15:38.34 | alestane | 60% vs. 40%, when you're stopping and doing stuff a lot the time you save not using your mount item balances out the lost travel time. |
| 15:38.37 | ts|skrom | but when I'm moving from mob to mob and a feather is inbetween, that's 330 mana + my prowl cooldown (10 seconds) before I can be back in cat and sneaking up on the next mob |
| 15:39.20 | ts|skrom | not that I generally worry about mana when grinding |
| 15:39.27 | Industrial | or you kill the mob first |
| 15:39.31 | Industrial | not shapeshift |
| 15:39.34 | Industrial | loot, and mount up! |
| 15:39.40 | Industrial | </sarcasm> |
| 15:39.43 | ts|skrom | lawl |
| 15:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love to ride my saber in cat form... that would be hilarious. |
| 15:40.56 | ts|skrom | lol |
| 15:41.17 | Intangir | Tuller: hey |
| 15:41.18 | ts|skrom | I'm 47 and don't have my mount, though that's just because I havn't felt like wasting the money for a cat I don't want to ride |
| 15:41.20 | alestane | Like that lolcat picture of the mouse riding the toad? |
| 15:41.20 | Intangir | what server do you play on |
| 15:41.25 | ts|skrom | exalted with SW here I come |
| 15:41.26 | Tuller | Intangir: hello |
| 15:41.38 | Intangir | Tuller: what server do you play on |
| 15:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | I love that, alestane. |
| 15:41.45 | Tuller | lothar |
| 15:41.54 | Intangir | k, i know a guy named Tuller on mug'thol |
| 15:42.05 | alestane | I know my wife wishes she didn't have to switch out of wookie to use her mount. |
| 15:42.19 | ts|skrom | wookie? |
| 15:42.22 | ts|skrom | that moonkin? |
| 15:42.22 | alestane | moonkin |
| 15:42.53 | Lopeppeppy | The way they hoot and howl, they might as well be moonkin. |
| 15:43.12 | Industrial | lol. wookie =D |
| 15:43.41 | alestane | Yes, she calls it thank after all the honking. |
| 15:43.49 | alestane | s/thank/that/ |
| 15:44.19 | ts|skrom | honk if you love moonkin! |
| 15:44.21 | ts|skrom | grooonnkkk |
| 15:44.29 | ts|skrom | not now chewie! |
| 15:44.57 | ts|skrom | so I'm in a good mood today |
| 15:44.59 | Shirik | ~lart all the moonkins in the world |
| 15:44.59 | purl | offers all the moonkins in the world some herring |
| 15:45.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 15:45.08 | Shirik | moonkins like herrings |
| 15:45.09 | Shirik | ~fail purl |
| 15:45.10 | purl | purl: Fail. |
| 15:45.27 | ts|skrom | it's beautiful outside, nice breeze. I had a crappy day yesterday but it ended well with all the people who couldn't connect back working again |
| 15:45.40 | ts|skrom | I hit 47 on the druid and owned (in my mind) that level 50 fury warrior |
| 15:45.52 | ts|skrom | I've got plans for lunch that include yummy toasted subs |
| 15:45.53 | ts|skrom | life is good |
| 15:47.00 | Shirik | Whooo |
| 15:47.05 | Shirik | "Windows explorer has stopped working" |
| 15:47.19 | Valaron|Work | That's standard on all Windows platforms. |
| 15:47.28 | Shirik | I love how Vista replaced that more professional-sounding "explorer.exe has encounter a problem and needs to close" with... |
| 15:47.35 | Shirik | "Yo, you program broke" |
| 15:48.11 | Intangir | your program is trying to run, do you want to allow this? |
| 15:48.13 | Intangir | yes.. |
| 15:48.21 | Intangir | your program is crashing, do you want to allow this? |
| 15:48.21 | Intangir | no |
| 15:48.28 | Intangir | your program broke anyway, my bad |
| 15:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom -- I'll trade you weather (crappy rainy for the 3rd day in a row) and lunch (eating leftovers I didn't like when they were new). |
| 15:48.51 | Shirik | C:\users\mpdelbuono\My Documents is not accessible. Access is denied T_T |
| 15:48.53 | Shirik | wtf |
| 15:48.57 | ts|skrom | lol you got the rain we had 3 days ago |
| 15:49.03 | Punkie` | You are coming to a sad realization, accept or deny? |
| 15:49.10 | Intangir | lol |
| 15:49.15 | Shirik | I click another folder, go back to clicking My Documents |
| 15:49.16 | Shirik | and it works |
| 15:49.17 | Shirik | awesome |
| 15:49.30 | Punkie` | Shirik: it was a test |
| 15:49.39 | Shirik | I just want to watch this video I'm supposedly in |
| 15:49.41 | Shirik | of a raid on UC |
| 15:49.45 | ts|skrom | They wanted to make sure you really wanted your my docs |
| 15:49.47 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Sounds like we have the leftovers from your weather. |
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| 15:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | You can't possibly, alestane, I'm still enjoying it. It's not leftovers until I'm done being drenched. |
| 15:52.12 | alestane | Well, we have had ominous overcast days that don't provide you the release of actually being rained on for about that same time. |
| 15:54.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'll send you some beautiful releasing raindrops, dear. |
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| 15:58.45 | alestane | ts|skrom: UAC must die. Immediately. |
| 15:59.46 | ts|skrom | kay |
| 15:59.52 | Shirik | UAC is actually good |
| 16:00.03 | Shirik | lazy programmers make it bad |
| 16:00.26 | alestane | You mean my computer SHOULD confirm every modification to its settings and operations with me? |
| 16:00.33 | Shirik | no |
| 16:00.43 | Shirik | it shouldn't have to modify its settings and operations every 5 seconds |
| 16:00.45 | nevcairiel | i always keep thinking of that company in doom3 when people say UAC |
| 16:01.35 | Shirik | I was also a "UAC hater" before I even saw it |
| 16:01.50 | Shirik | now that I've looked at it, looked at Microsoft's papers on how to code UAC aware applications |
| 16:01.52 | Shirik | it makes perfect sense |
| 16:02.07 | alestane | Seems like Windows should have some sort of system like secure code that allows it to recognize user-requested events. |
| 16:02.30 | Shirik | It would be trivial to code a program that simulates that |
| 16:02.34 | Shirik | Instead, the way UAC works |
| 16:02.42 | Shirik | it fully locks down your computer when a UAC box pops up |
| 16:02.58 | Shirik | ensuring that no process can be between the user and the confirmation |
| 16:03.26 | alestane | Like the whoel thing where you have to press CTRL_ALT_DEL in order to get your login box on some machines? |
| 16:03.37 | Shirik | you can look at it that way, sure |
| 16:03.57 | alestane | Thereby preventing some key-logger trojan from impersonating your login box. |
| 16:04.15 | Shirik | right, since only the OS can pick up that combination of keys |
| 16:04.39 | Shirik | we do that at my school actually |
| 16:04.43 | alestane | But the real question I have about UAS is WHY does it have to ask me about so many things? |
| 16:04.53 | alestane | UAC* |
| 16:05.05 | Shirik | Thing is, a process can only elevate itself when it starts up |
| 16:05.10 | Shirik | and it is only elevated until it is terminated |
| 16:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | It begins at comprehensive, alestane. |
| 16:05.16 | Shirik | For things like.... copy commands |
| 16:05.30 | Shirik | If you do things like copying a few files to a restricted directory one at a time |
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| 16:05.33 | Shirik | it's going to ask you every time |
| 16:05.39 | Shirik | Because the elevation is only valid for that instance of copy |
| 16:05.53 | alestane | Is there an in-between setting that will cause it only to ask me about things that represent real security threats? |
| 16:06.14 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of. I just don't see why you're doing so many restricted tasks |
| 16:06.27 | Cide | what exactly are real security threats? |
| 16:06.33 | alestane | Mostly because I have only worked with Vista machines during early set-up periods. |
| 16:06.33 | Cide | how would you define it? |
| 16:06.40 | ts|skrom | apparently changing your network settings is |
| 16:06.46 | alestane | Cide: I understand that that is a problem. |
| 16:07.01 | Shirik | ts|skrom: That's a modification to a system-wide setting |
| 16:07.19 | ts|skrom | note: I was offering an example not justifying one way or another |
| 16:07.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:07.34 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 16:07.40 | ts|skrom | I havn't used it enough to get pissed off by UAC |
| 16:07.42 | Cide | and yes, setting up a vista machine the first time is somewhat of a pain |
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| 16:07.52 | Cide | Shirik told me hated UAC the day he did it |
| 16:07.54 | alestane | I have not yet worked with a single Vista machine for an extended period of time, so I spend a lot of time changing settings. Maybe if I used the same machine for a few months I would get past that period. |
| 16:07.57 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:08.01 | Shirik | Cide told me to stick with it |
| 16:08.07 | Shirik | and now I have zero problem with it whatsoever, I like it |
| 16:08.30 | alestane | Would it make sense to turn it off during the setup period, and then turn it back on for actually running your machine? |
| 16:08.34 | Cidan- | Lies |
| 16:08.35 | Cidan- | LIES |
| 16:08.49 | Shirik | so long as you're in a sanitized environment I don't see why that would be a problem |
| 16:09.07 | Shirik | but be aware that once a program has gotten through UAC, it can embed itself deeply enough that it doesn't have to request permissions ever again |
| 16:09.25 | Shirik | All you need to do is register as a system service that needs elevated permissions and starts at startup and you're done |
| 16:09.34 | Shirik | You can spawn as many processes as you want with full permissions |
| 16:10.13 | Shirik | such has been done as a proof-of-concept by Symantec |
| 16:10.41 | Cidan- | Or, you can use an OS that doesn't use UAC |
| 16:10.43 | Cidan- | :D |
| 16:10.53 | alestane | Mostly it's an emotional thing for me. Windows is by default set up for computer n00bs, that's part of why it's been so successful. My wife commented once that she wished there was a place where you could scan your A+ certification and Windows would stop trying to stop you from, say, going into the Program Files directory. |
| 16:11.10 | alestane | I feel like Windows is accusing me of not knowing what I'm doing. |
| 16:11.15 | Shirik | amusingly |
| 16:11.19 | Shirik | on 64 bit systems |
| 16:11.33 | Shirik | you can't modify the program files directory at all, manually |
| 16:11.39 | Shirik | (the 64 bit one, that is) |
| 16:11.54 | Shirik | even with elevated permissions |
| 16:11.55 | alestane | Programs MUST go through an installer? |
| 16:12.08 | Thrae | "Someone is attempting to use the mouse. Accept? [Yes] [No]." |
| 16:12.23 | Shirik | The 64-bit vista has two program files folders: one (x86) and one for 64-bit |
| 16:12.37 | Shirik | the 32-bit one is as you'd expected it. The 64 bit one has zero access allowed |
| 16:12.42 | zenzelezz | thought processors today used x86-64 |
| 16:12.46 | Shirik | (By default) |
| 16:12.55 | Shirik | they do, but they call the 32-bit folder Program Files (x86) |
| 16:12.58 | Shirik | blame Microsoft |
| 16:13.01 | zenzelezz | peculiar |
| 16:13.15 | Shirik | It might come from Itanium? |
| 16:13.22 | Shirik | when they coded for it? |
| 16:13.22 | zenzelezz | was just about to say |
| 16:13.22 | Shirik | Dunno |
| 16:13.31 | Shirik | I never used an OS that supports that |
| 16:13.35 | Thrae | "You are attempting to install Cross-Platform Open Source software. Accept? [NO] [No]." |
| 16:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | And all of this is why I'm building a new computer instead of buying one. |
| 16:13.44 | zenzelezz | that's because there's like 1 OS that supported the Itanium |
| 16:13.49 | Polarina | Thrae: lol |
| 16:14.19 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: Lots of OEM providers still let you choose XP -- even Dell |
| 16:14.34 | Tuller | hrm |
| 16:14.39 | Tuller | Secure Drivers |
| 16:14.40 | Tuller | * RegisterStateDriver can be used with a state of "visibility" to show and hide frames based on arbitrary macro conditionals, e.g. RegisterStateDriver(MyBadTargetFrame, "visibility", "[exists,harm] show; hide") |
| 16:14.41 | zenzelezz | the question is... why buy a pre-assembled computer anyway? |
| 16:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | I still like to play with Legos, Thrae. :) |
| 16:14.49 | Tuller | that's something I should have noticed before |
| 16:14.52 | alestane | I mean, if I was working on a book or something and my comuter abruptly popped up and told me a change to my network settings had been requested, was that me?, I'd probably be grateful. But I just wish there was some way for it to recognize that I HAD just requested it, I clicked on the dang button in their control panel after all, do they really have to ask me? |
| 16:14.54 | Tuller | zenzelezz: stability! |
| 16:15.04 | Cidan- | Tuller, no. |
| 16:15.06 | zenzelezz | Tuller: sorry, that's not included with most pre-assembled computers |
| 16:15.25 | Tuller | laziness! |
| 16:15.35 | Tuller | free junk! |
| 16:15.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tuller - I've always assembled, never had more or less problems than a purchaser outright. Lazy, I can buy. :) |
| 16:15.50 | alestane | Tuller: The new state driver option is a late-breaker for 2.2, and we just added it to the list of included changes. |
| 16:15.51 | zenzelezz | I like putting my computers together myself |
| 16:16.26 | zenzelezz | nothing like the feeling of Oh-Shit-Did-I-Bend-That-Thing and Woops-My-Screwdriver-Slipped-Time-To-Pray |
| 16:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Smaller hands = fewer of those moments, zenzelezz |
| 16:17.03 | Thrae | Despite popular belief, unless you are doing this on a wool rug, or just hugged a kitty, you don't really *need* a grounding strap. |
| 16:17.08 | Tuller | alestane: well, effectively it now means I can implement two major features in bongos without much work :) |
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| 16:17.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I'm afraid my hands only come in one size |
| 16:17.48 | alestane | I'm study for my A+, and one of the questions says, "Which of the following are useful tools for cleaning inside computer cases: A) Compressed Air; B) Natural-bristle brush; C) Damp rag; D) Wire brush" |
| 16:17.54 | Cidan- | zenzelezz, wiat, you can't change your hands out? |
| 16:17.59 | Cidan- | :( |
| 16:18.14 | Thrae | So, does this RegisterStateDriver mean, like, it can automatically show and hide frames based on certain conditions? |
| 16:18.16 | alestane | Tuller: Believe me, it's making Goose a lot easier to code too. |
| 16:18.20 | Cidan- | B, C, and D, combined. |
| 16:18.27 | Cidan- | Are the obvious choices, IMO. |
| 16:18.33 | alestane | Thrae: That's exactly what it means. |
| 16:18.47 | Thrae | alestane: No hardware event required? |
| 16:18.49 | zenzelezz | Cidan: nope. Might be a feature in the post- or pre-1984 generations, but mine are undetachable |
| 16:19.04 | Tuller | Thrae: state drivers have been checking OnUpdate since 2.1 |
| 16:19.15 | alestane | Cidan-: Their "correct" answer is A+B. |
| 16:19.32 | alestane | Mostly I shudder at the thought of using a wire brush to clean a motherboard. |
| 16:19.45 | alestane | Thrae: Nope. |
| 16:20.12 | alestane | Any frame can be shown or hidden in response to a change in any acceptable macro condition. |
| 16:20.14 | ts|skrom | I was always in the camp of "build my own" but then dell offered no interest for 18 months and a NICE system for a pretty decent price |
| 16:20.21 | Thrae | Well 2.2 will be what seriously recodes PerfectTargets |
| 16:20.55 | Shirik|AFK | alestane: I totally know people that would |
| 16:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you did hear my story yesterday about the Freon, right? O.o |
| 16:21.08 | Cidan- | I say you just dunk the case in water. |
| 16:21.20 | Cidan- | With something strong to get the dirt out |
| 16:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen a video of someone putting their keyboard in the dishwasher... |
| 16:21.24 | Shirik|AFK | especially make sure to get the power supply soaked |
| 16:21.25 | Cidan- | Bleach, perhaps. |
| 16:21.31 | Shirik|AFK | most critical component |
| 16:21.34 | Cidan- | Lopeppeppy, that works well. |
| 16:21.34 | Shirik|AFK | you need to ensure it's clean |
| 16:21.52 | alestane | Tuller: If you're building automatic showing/hiding of action bars into Bongos, you might want to check out what I'm doing with Goose...it's being resigned to provide a UI for that driver function, and it should have a function that allows frames to register with it for easy location. |
| 16:22.16 | Tuller | alestane: linky :P |
| 16:22.36 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7160-Goose.html |
| 16:22.38 | alestane | It's not actually on-line at the moment. |
| 16:22.51 | alestane | That's the old version, it's getting a revamp for 2.2 |
| 16:22.51 | Cidan- | Eh |
| 16:22.56 | Cidan- | Boot to the head, IMO. |
| 16:23.05 | Tuller | bah :P |
| 16:23.06 | alestane | It will work with any frame, on any condition. |
| 16:23.10 | ts|skrom | you can't change gear in the arena? |
| 16:23.18 | nevcairiel | you can now |
| 16:23.20 | nevcairiel | you cant with 2.2 |
| 16:23.26 | ts|skrom | oh. |
| 16:23.26 | nevcairiel | except weapons |
| 16:23.40 | ts|skrom | That's kinda silly. People stacking resists after seeing opponents or somethign? |
| 16:23.47 | Cide | yes |
| 16:23.50 | Thrae | At one of the my previous jobs, one manager told me a story about how he watched a guy bang on a key on his keyboard, say "This keyboard doesn't work", walk over to the kitchen, angle the keyboard diagonally while water splashes on it, take it back to his cubicle, and then say "Huh, why doesn't this work now?". The guy in question later explain to the manager, "Well at my A+ certification class, they said a keyboard could onl |
| 16:23.50 | Polarina | nevcairiel: Do what? |
| 16:23.53 | Cide | and it kills warlocks and shadow priests |
| 16:23.57 | ts|skrom | And that wasn't chalked up to "good planning"? |
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| 16:24.19 | Cide | that was chalked up to "resistance is too powerful in pvp, but we can't change it without changing pve, where it's fine" |
| 16:24.31 | ts|skrom | that's silly too |
| 16:24.35 | Cide | no it's not |
| 16:24.44 | ts|skrom | EQ did it |
| 16:24.48 | nevcairiel | in my 230 shadow resist for hyjal fights, i pwn every warlock or shadow priest :P |
| 16:24.52 | Cide | that doesn't mean wow can't |
| 16:24.59 | ts|skrom | guess you mean can? |
| 16:25.07 | Cide | no |
| 16:25.08 | Cide | can't |
| 16:25.13 | ts|skrom | What I mean is EQ coded pvp resists to only work partially |
| 16:25.15 | Cide | but such a change would be huge |
| 16:25.17 | ts|skrom | and their pvp sucked |
| 16:25.25 | Cide | maybe they'll change it down the road |
| 16:25.43 | Cide | +365 shadow resist mitigates 75% of shadow priests & warlocks' damage, which is incredibly overpowered |
| 16:25.44 | ts|skrom | oh right, can't hehe now I follow |
| 16:26.07 | Cide | so they had to fix it quickly, since arenas are becoming pretty competitive |
| 16:26.08 | Tuller | hrm, I just realized they probably implemented the feature for the pet bar |
| 16:26.13 | Thrae | How the hell do you get +365 shadow resist? |
| 16:26.23 | Cide | Thrae: um.. green shit can do that for you |
| 16:26.32 | Cide | Thrae: black temple also has crafted, epic +SR gear |
| 16:26.39 | Thrae | Ah |
| 16:26.43 | [dRaCo] | without being totally owned by anything with a sword? |
| 16:26.58 | nevcairiel | thats the thing about changing gear |
| 16:26.58 | Cide | that's why you only equip it once you see who you're facing |
| 16:27.13 | alestane | Tuller: We actually could use it before for the pet bar, although this means we don't have to set the 'unit' on it any more. |
| 16:27.37 | Tuller | alestane: well, you've never had to set the unit, target=unit worked as far as I know |
| 16:28.50 | alestane | Well, before to maintain proper showing/hiding of the pet bar, we had to use RegisterUnitWatch, which wouldn't work on the pet bar unless we explicitly called PetActionBarFrame:SetAttribute('unit', 'pet') |
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| 16:52.03 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Apparently it worked. Is it still rainig there too? |
| 16:53.31 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have windows in my office area, alestane, but the nice weather lady said it was going to pour all day long. Sometimes I believe her.... but I'm glad you got your releasing raindrops. |
| 16:53.44 | alestane | Pouring here. |
| 16:54.19 | Kaydeethree | 31c, clear skies |
| 16:54.22 | Kaydeethree | bah. we could use some rain |
| 16:54.47 | alestane | as in 86 degrees out? |
| 16:55.01 | Kaydeethree | somewhere around there, ya |
| 16:55.30 | alestane | Are you in Canada or something? Don't know too many Americans who use Centigrade by default. |
| 16:55.54 | Kaydeethree | nah. it's a function of being on irc channels for years where most people aren't in the states |
| 16:56.27 | Kaydeethree | I'm about an hour away from Savannah |
| 16:56.56 | alestane | So thoroughly Stateside. |
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| 17:05.08 | cog|work | I'm making a list of generally-accepted single-letter variables. So far I have i (numerical for), k & v (associative for), r,g,b,a (color values), x,y (screen coords) ... Can anyone think of any others? |
| 17:06.05 | cog|work | (and yes, i'm purposefully ommitting j as a loop index and z as a coordinate) |
| 17:08.19 | [dRaCo] | guess that's about it |
| 17:09.08 | krka_ | you need to get a hobby |
| 17:09.18 | cog|work | krka_: this is for the book :P |
| 17:09.21 | krka_ | you missed n |
| 17:09.26 | cog|work | ah yes |
| 17:09.37 | krka_ | p, q for probabilities |
| 17:09.43 | [dRaCo] | tmp is pretty common, not a single letter, though |
| 17:09.50 | krka_ | s for strings |
| 17:09.52 | alestane | _ for blackhole. |
| 17:10.09 | cog|work | probabilities are a bit too advanced |
| 17:10.14 | [dRaCo] | aight, then you need c for char, too. |
| 17:11.26 | cog|work | thanks for the input |
| 17:11.30 | cladhaire | anyone have a rep pally leveling build? |
| 17:11.32 | cladhaire | i'm 10 :P |
| 17:11.35 | alestane | Hardly any single-char variables in Lua. |
| 17:11.37 | krka_ | you could mention that if you need more, it's common to just up the char index |
| 17:11.43 | krka_ | i, j, k for loops |
| 17:11.49 | krka_ | x, y, z for coords |
| 17:12.01 | [dRaCo] | if you're into 3d, yeah |
| 17:12.18 | krka_ | we are all in 3d :P |
| 17:12.27 | cog|work | I'm actually suggesting they use meaningful names if they need nested loops |
| 17:12.47 | cog|work | and z is irrelevant to WoW unless they're doing something advanced enough that they would already know to use z |
| 17:12.49 | cladhaire | i use idx,entry a lot for arrays of tables. |
| 17:12.52 | krka_ | figuring out meaningful names is difficult |
| 17:13.08 | krka_ | t for table, cog|work |
| 17:13.20 | Nom- | heh looks like we're hitting a'lar on Monday :D |
| 17:13.32 | alestane | I prefer full names myself al ot of the time, like for bag=0,4 do for slot=1,GetNumContainerSlots(bag) do |
| 17:13.43 | krka_ | r, c for row / column? or is that just me |
| 17:13.53 | cog|work | alestane: that's exactly the example I'm using :) |
| 17:14.07 | krka_ | for a=0,4 do for b=1, ... |
| 17:14.18 | cog|work | krka_: bleh to that :P |
| 17:14.19 | krka_ | it should be obvious from the context anyway :P |
| 17:14.32 | cog|work | krka_: that's exactly the attitude i'm trying to get rid of XD |
| 17:14.42 | alestane | That's the sort of thing people say about programmer who don't work them any more. |
| 17:14.42 | krka_ | i was just kidding :/ |
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| 17:15.18 | krka_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.18 | krka_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.20 | krka_ | is that bad? |
| 17:15.52 | alestane | What is that, VB? |
| 17:15.58 | cog|work | that's lua |
| 17:16.19 | cog|work | pairs(table) just returns next, pairs, nil |
| 17:16.32 | alestane | oh, expanded verion of pairs(lines) |
| 17:16.40 | krka_ | next,t is easier to type than pairs(t) :) |
| 17:16.45 | krka_ | and shorter |
| 17:16.46 | cog|work | s/, pairs/, table/ |
| 17:17.28 | alestane | Eh, I tend to use things like for _,v in pairs{...} do anyway. |
| 17:21.14 | krka_ | cog|work: you could mention that you should try to match the length of the variable name with its scope |
| 17:21.23 | krka_ | really short scope = single letter |
| 17:21.33 | krka_ | addon scope = fairly descriptive |
| 17:22.12 | alestane | That's more about uniqueness I think...I'd say it's a little more the other way around...variables can afford to be short if they have limited scope. |
| 17:22.13 | cog|work | I'm actually being fairly vague about when they should do certain things... It's more of a "Here look how much harder this one is to read" plus "use your best judgement" and some gentle encouragement |
| 17:22.46 | krka_ | that's what i said alestane |
| 17:22.57 | cog|work | trying not to be too heavy-handed or give them too many specific tips to memorize. |
| 17:23.12 | krka_ | i see |
| 17:23.13 | alestane | I read it as saying that you should give a variable a shorter name if its scope is limited. |
| 17:23.25 | krka_ | just tell them to buy PiL instead :) |
| 17:23.43 | cog|work | krka_: that's too far to the other end of the spectrum |
| 17:24.05 | cog|work | PiL comes up nil with respect to programming practices except for lua-specific constructs |
| 17:24.40 | krka_ | i can see what you mean, though i dont fully agree |
| 17:25.09 | cog|work | I know :) |
| 17:28.50 | ts|skrom | wow today just keeps getting better and better |
| 17:29.15 | ts|skrom | I've got my toasted subs now and before I left to get em my boss told me that we were back up to full 40 hours right before she left for the day |
| 17:31.22 | Tem | alestane, ewwww |
| 17:31.36 | Tem | if you need to loop through vararg stuff, use select |
| 17:31.45 | Tem | greating a table is completely unneeded |
| 17:31.51 | Tem | s/g/c/ |
| 17:32.37 | alestane | Tem: Syntactically cleaner if lumpier in implementation...but how about for _,key in pairs{GetBindingKey("BINDING")} do ? |
| 17:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom, what does "up to full 40 hours" mean to the uninitiated? |
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| 17:33.11 | alestane | In that case, using select would require calling the function each time. |
| 17:33.12 | Tem | syntactically cleaner doesn't fix the fact that you're needlessly creating garbage |
| 17:33.22 | Tem | and no, it doesn't require calling the function each time |
| 17:33.29 | ts|skrom | I was at reduced hours |
| 17:33.31 | ts|skrom | we were broke |
| 17:33.34 | Tem | you'd just need to use a helper function |
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| 17:34.25 | Lopeppeppy | That's excellent news then, TS|Skrom |
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| 17:35.33 | alestane | So you think function Rebind(...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do SetBindingClick(select(1, ...), button) end Rebind(GetBindingKey("BINDING") is better? |
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| 17:36.26 | alestane | That's going to increase permanent footprint. |
| 17:36.59 | Tem | one time permanent increase is better than garbage every time you run |
| 17:37.45 | alestane | Even when you're running in response to something as infrequent as PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? Remeber that right now requesting new allocations is the easiest way to prompt the GC into running. |
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| 17:37.54 | krka_ | Tem: depends on how many args there are really |
| 17:38.02 | krka_ | the table solution can be more efficient if there are many |
| 17:38.07 | krka_ | usually, it's just a few though |
| 17:38.52 | Tem | alestane, in the case of doing something during PEW, do whichever is fastest |
| 17:39.10 | Tem | Everying before and during PEW must be minimized |
| 17:39.17 | Tem | (for time) |
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| 17:39.41 | alestane | And which is faster? A table constructor or a function call? |
| 17:40.10 | cog|work | as krka_ mentioned, it depends on the number of arguments |
| 17:40.25 | krka_ | for many args, use a table |
| 17:40.27 | cog|work | (read: number of calls to select) |
| 17:40.29 | Tuller | keybindings typically have 1-2 args |
| 17:40.29 | krka_ | for few, use select |
| 17:42.14 | alestane | They do...but why do I want to clutter up the memory for the entire session in order to squeeze a couple more microseconds out of something that runs a few times a session? |
| 17:43.41 | alestane | How many times does PEW trigger during a typical session of WoW? 20? |
| 17:44.05 | krka_ | do whichever you prefer |
| 17:44.09 | krka_ | it wont matter in this case |
| 17:44.18 | krka_ | but your memory argument is crappy |
| 17:44.34 | krka_ | the extra bytecode size in memory is not much |
| 17:45.25 | alestane | And of course the two people who were trying to hammer "occasional garbage is NOT BAD" into me yesterday are not here now. |
| 17:46.14 | krka_ | i agree with them |
| 17:46.16 | cog|work | alestane: loading times are a substantial concern for the default UI. as stated, use whichever's fastest |
| 17:46.19 | krka_ | for what it's worth |
| 17:46.31 | krka_ | cog|work: in that case, i dont think you'd notice the difference |
| 17:46.39 | cog|work | probably not |
| 17:46.58 | cog|work | but that's what leads to long loading times |
| 17:47.09 | cog|work | there are so many things that you wouldn't really notice that add up and you do |
| 17:47.33 | alestane | The goal is actually to have no args at all. It's a glue function to port old ACTIONBUTTON1 bindings to CLICK ActionButton1:LeftButton. Ideally, it should run once the first time after the including patch, and find no args after that. |
| 17:49.05 | alestane | So after the first run, it'll create a total of 60 empty tables and no iterations. |
| 17:49.33 | alestane | Or, it'll make a total of 60 function calls that immediately return. |
| 17:49.45 | Tem | For what it's worth, I tested which is faster for different sizes of tables |
| 17:49.56 | Tem | select is faster until about 20 args |
| 17:50.08 | cog|work | I think you should make it take 10 seconds with coroutines and have a progress bar when you finish entering the world >< |
| 17:51.00 | Tem | occasional garbage ISN'T bad |
| 17:51.17 | Tem | but when your occasional garbage method is also slower than the no garbage way.... |
| 17:51.47 | alestane | Question...which runs faster with NO args? |
| 17:51.57 | Tem | dunno |
| 17:51.59 | Tem | probably select |
| 17:52.18 | Tem | select is almost twice as fast for no args |
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| 17:54.11 | alestane | what about (function (...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do SetBindingClick(select(i, ...), button) end)(GetBindingKey("BINDING"))? |
| 17:54.20 | alestane | Or is that the worst of both worlds? |
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| 17:55.22 | alestane | Well, the function would want to be defined and stored in the outer function, not the inner loop. |
| 17:56.02 | Tuller | local key = GetBindingKey(format("ActionButton%d", i)) |
| 17:56.04 | Tuller | while key do |
| 17:56.05 | Tuller | SetBindingClick(key, format("ActionButton%d", i), "LeftButton") |
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| 17:56.07 | Tuller | key = GetBindingKey(format("ActionButton%d", i)) |
| 17:56.09 | Tuller | end |
| 17:56.17 | Tuller | err that won't work in this situation :) |
| 17:56.56 | alestane | The idea might, won't binding a key to something unbind it from anything else? |
| 17:57.14 | Tuller | yes, but you'll be rebinding it, and thus creating an infinite loop |
| 17:57.29 | alestane | But you'll be rebinding it to something else. |
| 17:57.47 | Tuller | well in your case, you want to take all the bindings of a button, and just switch them to use click, right? |
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| 17:58.16 | alestane | I want to take every binding of the form ACTIONBUTTONx, and change them to CLICK ActionButtonX:LeftButton. |
| 17:59.02 | alestane | ACTIONBUTTON bindings run a script that depresses and releases the button...click bindings do the same thing, but more transparently. |
| 17:59.17 | Tuller | meh maybe I'm thinking too much :P |
| 17:59.23 | Tuller | yeah it'll probably work |
| 17:59.43 | alestane | It'll work, but I suspect it has the poorest CPU performance of any of the options we've discussed. |
| 17:59.55 | Tuller | meh, it does not matter |
| 18:00.51 | alestane | Although actually, in the ideal case (no bindings) the performance won't be that poor because it'll only call GetBindingKey once, which is the minimum case for any application. |
| 18:00.51 | ts|skrom | huh.. go figure. |
| 18:01.02 | ts|skrom | One weapon in all of ZG that a feral would be interested in |
| 18:01.06 | ts|skrom | not that it matters these days |
| 18:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's still nice sometimes to "shop", TS|Skrom. |
| 18:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | I always shop Kaliban's Loot List, it's great fun. |
| 18:01.46 | alestane | And there's always the important question ts|skrom..."Does it look cool?" |
| 18:01.49 | ts|skrom | hehe I was trying to look up a "zg trinket" someone mentioned on a druid forum post and ended up looking at boss drops instead :P |
| 18:02.00 | ts|skrom | not to a feral :( kitty looks the same |
| 18:02.20 | alestane | Does it look cool on your back when you're running around IF? |
| 18:02.54 | ts|skrom | oh I found a second one |
| 18:03.39 | ts|skrom | though it's more suited for rogues :- |
| 18:04.31 | ts|skrom | I wanna go back there :( |
| 18:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | The ZG Trinket apparently has a lot of utility for feral druids even at 70... but it's a PITA to get, since last I heard the summoning event was broken more than 50% of the time... and you need 4 trips to get the materials.... Ick. |
| 18:05.57 | ts|skrom | zg trinket for druids is a cast time reducer and mana cost reducer |
| 18:05.59 | ts|skrom | :-/ |
| 18:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I thought I'd heard it was for ferals. Ah well. |
| 18:06.31 | ts|skrom | I think they guy was mistaken when he said ZG because he was using it to promote a possible 1200/tick lifebloom |
| 18:06.49 | alestane | Tuller: I think you could actually write that one as for key in GetBindingKey, "BINDING" do SetBindingClick(key, "Button") end and it would be fairly clean...it would be a little slow the first time, but in subsequent cases it would probably have the lowest time AND memory consumption. |
| 18:07.01 | ts|skrom | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19955 |
| 18:07.47 | ts|skrom | and there's only two trinkets that drop there, a mana recharge and a spell hit boost |
| 18:07.54 | ts|skrom | so I'm really unsure what he was referring to |
| 18:12.57 | alestane | lua> select(3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) |
| 18:12.57 | cladbot | alestane: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, |
| 18:13.33 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno, TS|Skrom, unless the trinket has gotten an update not listed on that page. |
| 18:14.00 | cog|work | Ha! I was entering signups in our mailing list and came across someone with a last name of Fry and it reminded me of futurama |
| 18:14.11 | cog|work | then i came across someone with a last name of Farnsworth |
| 18:14.19 | Tuller | lua> (select(3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)) |
| 18:14.19 | cladbot | Tuller: 3 |
| 18:14.22 | Tuller | wooh |
| 18:15.06 | alestane | That's why it says select returns everything after the indexth argument...it's counting the first argument that's not part of the list. I get it now. |
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| 18:25.31 | Cidan | lolwut |
| 18:25.38 | Cidan | :D |
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| 18:39.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide, you were working on a CTRA 2? |
| 18:39.18 | Cide | yes, I was |
| 18:39.35 | Shirik|Ecole | 142:372:39 12‹Lothaer12› has any1 heard anything about CT_RaidAssist2? |
| 18:39.56 | Cide | where? |
| 18:39.59 | Shirik|Ecole | #wowace |
| 18:40.22 | Cide | he can come here or pm me if he wants to know! |
| 18:40.52 | Cide | I was secretly hoping #conspiracy to be honest.. that'd be ironic! |
| 18:40.56 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 18:40.58 | Shirik|Ecole | you're evil |
| 18:41.07 | Cide | a bit |
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| 18:41.37 | zenzelezz | "CTRA2" is difference from CTRA 2.x? (the version on the ctmod site) |
| 18:41.45 | zenzelezz | *different |
| 18:41.48 | Cide | yes :P |
| 18:41.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I was unaware there was anything more than "the" CTRA ... |
| 18:42.01 | Shirik|Ecole | which... btw |
| 18:42.05 | Shirik|Ecole | is totally jacking up item links |
| 18:42.05 | Shirik|Ecole | CIDE |
| 18:42.20 | zenzelezz | is it now? |
| 18:42.25 | Lothaer | has a release date for CTRA2 been set yet??? ive been checking ctmod.net alot but there hasnt been any updates |
| 18:42.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't isolated if it's prat or CTRA, but I believe it's CTRA |
| 18:42.34 | Cide | um |
| 18:42.35 | Shirik|Ecole | If the Raid lead links a single-word item, it gets really fubared |
| 18:42.40 | Cide | why would ctra do that |
| 18:42.41 | Shirik|Ecole | only single-word items |
| 18:42.44 | Cide | as opposed to a chat mod |
| 18:42.53 | Shirik|Ecole | because CTRA manipulates the raid lead chat color :) |
| 18:42.53 | zenzelezz | Shirik|AFK: I experience nothing like it |
| 18:43.03 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: and I'm incompetent? :P |
| 18:43.10 | Shirik|Ecole | zenzelezz: It is a compatibility issue between prat and ctra |
| 18:43.12 | Cide | that's a gsub involving |Hplayer |
| 18:43.15 | Shirik|Ecole | neither one causes the problem on its own |
| 18:43.22 | Shirik|Ecole | however, from what I can tell from the debug messages |
| 18:43.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ctra is doing something strange and removing an escape character |
| 18:43.51 | Shirik|Ecole | again, I haven't extensively tested this, but this is what appears to be going on |
| 18:43.55 | zenzelezz | there is no escape! |
| 18:44.00 | Cide | why has it never happened before? |
| 18:44.05 | Lothaer | im using oRA2 atm until CTRA2 comes out, but neither recognise flintweed seed |
| 18:44.13 | Shirik|Ecole | it only happens with both prat and ctra installed and only on single-word links from the raid lead |
| 18:44.13 | Cide | that code has been in for like a year |
| 18:44.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno Cide just saying >< |
| 18:44.24 | Cide | Lothaer: CTRA2 isn't out, how do you know it doesn't recognize flintweed seed? :) |
| 18:44.24 | Lothaer | and the author or oRA2 wont added that item until CTRA does |
| 18:44.29 | Shirik|Ecole | I gave sylvanaar the debug info |
| 18:44.34 | Shirik|Ecole | he's looking at it |
| 18:44.38 | Lothaer | no oRA2 |
| 18:44.46 | Cide | Lothaer: you're out of luck then |
| 18:44.55 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.01 | Lothaer | why? |
| 18:45.06 | Cide | or whatever the oRA2 equivalent |
| 18:45.12 | Lothaer | for the reagent check |
| 18:45.13 | Cide | why what? |
| 18:45.20 | Shirik|Ecole | or you could get conspiracy >.> <.< |
| 18:45.33 | Cide | Lothaer: why what? |
| 18:45.39 | Cide | feel free to use conspiracy if you want |
| 18:45.42 | Shirik|Ecole | nono |
| 18:45.46 | Shirik|Ecole | you can't anyway :P |
| 18:45.47 | Cide | it's likely a great mod, although I haven't used it |
| 18:45.50 | Shirik|Ecole | nobody has :) |
| 18:45.52 | Lothaer | you said im out of luck |
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| 18:45.58 | Lothaer | why am i out of luck? |
| 18:45.59 | Shirik|Ecole | it's still in development :) |
| 18:45.59 | Cide | Lothaer: right, because I won't add it :) |
| 18:46.09 | Lothaer | sigh |
| 18:46.12 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:46.18 | Cide | simple reason being |
| 18:46.20 | Shirik|Ecole | what is flintwood seed anyway? |
| 18:46.36 | Cide | it's only maintained to the point where it doesn't error and health bars go up and down, basically |
| 18:46.36 | Lothaer | used for Druid Rebirth |
| 18:46.36 | Lothaer | lvl 70 |
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| 18:47.20 | Lothaer | any idea when the release date for CTRA2 is going to be i do understand that your short staffed lol.... understatment i know :P |
| 18:47.44 | Cide | don't expect it before.. maybe... march? july? |
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| 18:47.53 | Cide | september? |
| 18:47.53 | cog|work | not even blizz gives release dates and they *pay* people to do the work on WoW :P |
| 18:47.57 | Lothaer | WOW |
| 18:48.08 | Lothaer | ill assume its going to be action backed |
| 18:48.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Lothaer: What Cide is trying to say is |
| 18:48.18 | Shirik|Ecole | don't ask for a release date |
| 18:48.20 | Shirik|Ecole | it'll be done when it's done |
| 18:48.21 | Cide | wrong |
| 18:48.23 | Lothaer | so basicly i can expect WotLK before CTRA2 |
| 18:48.28 | Shirik|Ecole | ok Lothaer |
| 18:48.31 | Shirik|Ecole | What I'm trying to say is |
| 18:48.31 | Cide | don't expect it out because I'm not developing it actively :) |
| 18:48.32 | Lothaer | yeah i know |
| 18:48.35 | Lothaer | same as BLizzard |
| 18:48.35 | Shirik|Ecole | *Copy in the above* |
| 18:48.53 | Cide | I'd give you a release if there was one |
| 18:48.54 | Cide | right now |
| 18:48.59 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:49.00 | Cide | I'm not sure it'll be released |
| 18:49.05 | Cide | so there you go :) |
| 18:49.10 | Lothaer | fair enuff |
| 18:49.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Instead, you can use one of the other marvelous raid addons available |
| 18:49.22 | Lothaer | yeah oRA2 atm |
| 18:49.24 | Shirik|Ecole | -_- |
| 18:49.27 | cladhaire | don't use perfectraid.. its shit and the author sucks |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I hate you now |
| 18:49.30 | cladhaire | doesn't even provide updates |
| 18:49.40 | Cide | cladhaire: who does, anyway? only good authors do |
| 18:49.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Yeah, if that author ever comes in here |
| 18:49.43 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire kick him |
| 18:49.47 | Shirik|Ecole | he's a noob anyway |
| 18:50.14 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wait... I see him here now |
| 18:50.17 | Lothaer | shirik, have you made any mods??? |
| 18:51.00 | Cide | nah |
| 18:51.03 | Shirik|Ecole | But in all seriousness at this point in time I would not recommend anything I have written. RDX is no longer being actively developed and Conspiracy has a long way to go before it's useful |
| 18:51.04 | Cide | he hasn't |
| 18:51.20 | Shirik|Ecole | When Conspiracy DOES come out.... |
| 18:51.26 | Shirik|Ecole | well who knows |
| 18:51.56 | Cide | don't start Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:52.02 | Lothaer | ive been updating Set Wrangler for some time now although i have very little knowledge on conding PERIOD i can read and add and i do ask for peoples help about bugs lol |
| 18:52.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't even say anything! |
| 18:52.11 | Cide | you know very well that nobody's interested in your crap mods! |
| 18:52.14 | Shirik|Ecole | =( |
| 18:52.40 | Lothaer | im also the person thats been keeping Chuck Norris Facts alive lol :P |
| 18:53.00 | Cide | but in all seriousness.. Lothaer: as it is right now, I don't think we have the manpower to keep up an all-in-one raiding addon.. we'll leave that to other people |
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| 18:53.10 | Lothaer | Set Wrangler http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=3095 |
| 18:53.13 | Lothaer | kk |
| 18:53.18 | Cide | and focus on inventing new stuff that hasn't seen the light already |
| 18:53.27 | Cide | (and let others gank it a month later) |
| 18:53.34 | alestane | Cide: Besides, what functionality do you offer that the Bliz raid frames don't now? |
| 18:53.40 | Cide | alestane: tons and tons |
| 18:53.41 | Lothaer | i do have a idea for a mod but i have no idea how or were to start |
| 18:53.48 | Shirik|Ecole | like yellow item links! |
| 18:54.00 | Shirik|Ecole | only with CTRA can you see the legendary netherbloom |
| 18:54.09 | Cide | pretty much all raid management stuff |
| 18:54.16 | Shirik|Ecole | but yeah it's pretty nice :) |
| 18:54.34 | Cide | I wish people stopped using CTRA |
| 18:54.39 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:54.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 18:54.40 | Shirik|Ecole | why? |
| 18:54.41 | Lothaer | why? |
| 18:54.44 | alestane | I know about inventory checking and chat coloring...but it sounds to me like you could probably drop the raid frames from CTRA and focus on management. |
| 18:54.46 | Cide | I have to maintain it |
| 18:54.53 | Cide | and I'd rather shoot myself in the foot |
| 18:54.58 | Lothaer | LMFAO |
| 18:55.07 | Cide | alestane: except... people would be mad |
| 18:55.18 | Cide | because lots of people still use it |
| 18:55.31 | Cide | when there are plenty of addons that do the same thing |
| 18:55.34 | Lothaer | i use the X-Perl raid frames |
| 18:55.38 | Cide | well, in many cases exactly the same thing |
| 18:56.02 | alestane | Like the way Bliz came out with their own raid warning channel, but noone used it because they were all totally used to CTRA? (Same deal with ready checks) |
| 18:56.05 | Cide | take oRA2 for example.. it copies pretty much every ctra feature there is |
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| 18:56.25 | alestane | Especially since it was designed as a CTRA alternative for Ace. |
| 18:56.27 | Cide | alestane: not following |
| 18:56.27 | zenzelezz | alestane: never assume everyone does something |
| 18:56.43 | Lothaer | my idea for a mod is kinda like AtlasLoot but instead of getting boss drops it will tell you boss Stats and Skills and maybe a basic strategy |
| 18:56.46 | alestane | Well, you're right, I can only speak for my guild. |
| 18:56.50 | Cide | alestane: yeah, which is funny, because every mod I've written has been ported to ace, I think |
| 18:58.02 | cog|work | oooo ... new bg downloader data |
| 18:58.05 | alestane | But during my tenure with my first raiding guild, Bliz ready checks were present in the game the entire time that guild was together...and our raid leaders never once used them, reflexively (I assume) hitting the CTRA ready check function. |
| 18:58.23 | Cide | because the CTRA function is a lot better, of course |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Yeah, Blizz's ready check sucks |
| 18:58.50 | Lothaer | if there a option that blizzard has a mod will do it 10x better |
| 18:58.58 | alestane | How does one enhance a ready check? |
| 18:59.03 | cog|work | "better" is subjective |
| 18:59.03 | zenzelezz | I have no complaints about the default ready check |
| 18:59.05 | Cide | it tells you immediately when someone clicks yes or no, and until recently it was the only one that could be used by raid assistants |
| 18:59.07 | Shirik|Ecole | alestane: I have already done it |
| 18:59.09 | Cide | alestane: you don't enhance it, you invent it |
| 18:59.09 | Shirik|Ecole | it's pretty simple |
| 18:59.16 | Shirik|Ecole | sure you do |
| 18:59.16 | Cide | cog|work: no :) |
| 18:59.23 | cog|work | Blizz purposefully keeps their UI simple... saying it "sucks" is rude imo |
| 18:59.29 | Cide | I didn't say it sucks |
| 18:59.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I agree |
| 18:59.32 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 18:59.36 | Shirik|Ecole | no, the ready check sucks |
| 18:59.40 | Shirik|Ecole | everything else I like simple |
| 18:59.42 | cog|work | cide *you* didn't :P |
| 18:59.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I still use blizz's unit frames |
| 18:59.50 | Cide | cog|work: yeah, I scrolled up a second later.... |
| 18:59.52 | zenzelezz | I'd say "clean" or "simple", which in itself is a good thing |
| 18:59.55 | Shirik|Ecole | but ready checks don't even work half the time |
| 18:59.55 | Lothaer | mods if the new options in the Blizzard interface started out as a mod anyway |
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| 19:00.06 | Shirik|Ecole | it would be "simple" to have a little frame that says who's clicked what |
| 19:00.08 | Lothaer | ie Floating Combat Text |
| 19:00.27 | Shirik|Ecole | instead, if someone clicks no, how do you know when it's over? Who's afk? |
| 19:00.28 | Cide | alestane: I didn't enhance the ready check.. I invented it and blizz copied a simplified version of it |
| 19:00.32 | cog|work | Lothaer: as they said in the UI pannel at blizzcon, they try to make the default UI simple so gramma can use it |
| 19:00.32 | Shirik|Ecole | what if it never comes back period? |
| 19:00.46 | cog|work | could you imagine trying to teach gramma how to configure SCT? :P |
| 19:00.52 | Lothaer | LOL |
| 19:00.56 | alestane | Cide: I recognize the fact in that...what is the principle difference between the two? |
| 19:01.02 | Shirik|Ecole | the receiving side of ready check is perfect |
| 19:01.06 | Shirik|Ecole | the leader side isn't |
| 19:01.10 | Cide | alestane: nothing, but I just wanted to point it out |
| 19:01.28 | Cide | alestane: but like I said, the ctra ready check has several things that makes it easier to use than the blizzard alternative |
| 19:01.31 | Lothaer | if i remember correctly in order to have more action bars on your screen you used to need a mod back in the day |
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| 19:01.43 | Cide | and the CTRA2 version of it is even better |
| 19:01.55 | Lothaer | i think that was one of the 1st mods aswell, was a mod that added more Action Bars to the right side of the screen |
| 19:02.10 | cog|work | i don't see why everybody uses that as a criticism of blizzard... i think they should be praised for incorporating uber-common addon features |
| 19:02.26 | cladhaire | is someone using it as a criticism? |
| 19:02.27 | Lothaer | because they cant get the ideas them selves |
| 19:02.32 | cog|work | I feel the same way about MS |
| 19:02.42 | zenzelezz | Lothaer: untrue |
| 19:02.46 | alestane | ~lart Lothaer |
| 19:02.46 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Lothaer in half |
| 19:02.52 | cog|work | cladhaire: Lothaer is, among many people who post in the forums |
| 19:03.03 | cog|work | and not just about blizzard |
| 19:03.20 | Lothaer | what forums would you be talking about??? |
| 19:03.43 | cog|work | the wow forums... people are making comments all the time about how blizz copied addons |
| 19:03.52 | Lothaer | *because Blizzard cant get the ideas them selves |
| 19:04.04 | zenzelezz | that's just stupid to claim |
| 19:04.05 | Shirik|Ecole | so what? |
| 19:04.05 | Lothaer | i dont make comments about that |
| 19:04.11 | Lothaer | i actually make suggestions |
| 19:04.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Can you actually expect them to come up with every possible idea you could want? |
| 19:04.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Of course not |
| 19:04.29 | alestane | With the number of people working there, you can't know that...it's just as likely that they thought of it, but were not convinced of the demand for it. |
| 19:04.33 | cog|work | Lothaer: Addon community - thousands of members... blizz ui dev team - less than a dozen members |
| 19:04.35 | zenzelezz | they had priorities before release, and incorporated what they could |
| 19:04.46 | cog|work | which do you think will come up with more ideas? |
| 19:04.56 | cladhaire | this is the silliest argument I've ever seen |
| 19:04.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ooh ooh |
| 19:04.58 | Shirik|Ecole | pick me |
| 19:05.08 | cladhaire | Lothaer: I suggest you, in the nicest terms possible, get a clue |
| 19:05.09 | Cair | cladhaire: quite |
| 19:05.31 | Shirik|Ecole | =( |
| 19:05.45 | cog|work | i'm sorry but it's just plain stupid to criticise a company for doing what it sees the public wants |
| 19:05.59 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 19:06.06 | cladhaire | not just that |
| 19:06.13 | Cide | so Shirik|Ecole, how're you enhancing the ready check? |
| 19:06.20 | Shirik|Ecole | hehehe |
| 19:06.22 | Lothaer | most times what the public want and what they get are two completely different things |
| 19:06.25 | cladhaire | but taking ideas that others have come up with, seeing how _vital_ they are to playing the game, and incorporating them. |
| 19:06.31 | Shirik|Ecole | it'll be fun, trust me :) |
| 19:06.36 | cladhaire | Lothaer: What do you want froma feature that you can't get right now? |
| 19:06.38 | cladhaire | ? |
| 19:06.42 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: hmm? :P |
| 19:06.45 | zenzelezz | Lothaer: most of the time "what the public wants" is "what I want" in a thousand different variations |
| 19:06.47 | Shirik|Ecole | You'll see ;) |
| 19:06.51 | Cide | boring |
| 19:06.53 | Cide | I doubt I'll see though |
| 19:06.54 | cladhaire | Lothaer: please provide me with one example |
| 19:07.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I will force a screenshot down your throat during release |
| 19:07.18 | Cide | so you made a hello kitty ready check? |
| 19:07.21 | Lothaer | changing the old 40mans ie MC/BWL |
| 19:07.22 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 19:07.27 | Shirik|Ecole | no, that would be Cidan's doing |
| 19:07.31 | Cide | did you actually make it more useful though? |
| 19:07.34 | cladhaire | Lothaer: Umm hi.. /me looks around.. this is the UI channel. |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik|Ecole | did I? no. Will I? yes. Without destroying functionality for people that do not use Conspiracy. |
| 19:07.53 | Shirik|Ecole | That's all I'll say |
| 19:07.55 | cladhaire | Or are you just qqing about blizzard in general? |
| 19:08.14 | Cide | how're you doing it, then? :P |
| 19:08.16 | Lothaer | not qqing |
| 19:08.18 | Shirik|Ecole | in Lua |
| 19:08.21 | zenzelezz | Shirik|Ecole: so you're saying yours captures the default UI one somehow? |
| 19:08.28 | Cide | ~lart Shirik|Ecole |
| 19:08.28 | purl | rm -rf's Shirik|Ecole |
| 19:08.32 | Cide | perfect |
| 19:08.35 | Cidan | mm |
| 19:08.36 | Cide | no enhanced ready check for you |
| 19:08.38 | Shirik|Ecole | =( |
| 19:08.41 | Cidan | Hello Kitty ready check |
| 19:08.44 | Cide | s/for/from/ |
| 19:08.45 | Shirik|Ecole | good job Cide! |
| 19:08.45 | Cidan | that's so going to kick ass |
| 19:08.50 | cladhaire | Lothaer: then give me one example of why you're criticising the default ui |
| 19:08.52 | Shirik|Ecole | As if I didn't have enough hello kitty |
| 19:08.52 | Cide | agreed |
| 19:09.01 | cladhaire | and the features they've added from community ideas |
| 19:09.02 | Cidan | Hello Kitty saying, "Are you rreeeeeaaadyyyyyyyy?" |
| 19:09.02 | Lothaer | how about the ability to use co-ords in a instance??? |
| 19:09.07 | zenzelezz | I'm going to skin Conspiracy's ready check to display just the Blue Pill and the Red Pill |
| 19:09.10 | cladhaire | Lothaer: *sigh* |
| 19:09.14 | cladhaire | Alrighty then |
| 19:09.15 | Cidan | Or perhaps meow's for when someone clicks ready! |
| 19:09.17 | cladhaire | this conversation is over |
| 19:09.17 | Cidan | MEOW |
| 19:09.35 | Cidan | genious, Cide. |
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| 19:10.38 | cladhaire | Lothaer: if you'd like to have an actual conversation that amounts to more than just arbitrary bitching about what you find wrong with blizzard and their game, I'm all ears. Until then, I'm going to go spend my time doing something else. |
| 19:10.47 | ts|skrom | zenzelezz genius |
| 19:11.15 | Cidan | genius too, even. |
| 19:11.17 | Thunder_Child | hahahahaha http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/microsofts-rap-history-continues-past-windows-386-to-ms%20dos-5-298700.php?autoplay=true |
| 19:11.22 | Cidan | Perhaps I shall take a nap. |
| 19:11.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I wish I could :( |
| 19:11.33 | Lothaer | not trying to be mean or anything cladhaire but i didnt ask you to partake in the conversation |
| 19:11.35 | ts|skrom | same |
| 19:11.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Or I could just skip economics.... but I shouldn't |
| 19:12.08 | zenzelezz | Lothaer: the operators are entitled to partake in any conversation, just like the rest of the channel |
| 19:12.16 | Cidan | Jesus |
| 19:12.19 | Cidan | what the hell? |
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| 19:12.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa! |
| 19:12.37 | alestane | Luna! |
| 19:12.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Admit it, you want a hello kitty ready check |
| 19:12.50 | Lunessa | Shirik, alestane ! |
| 19:13.21 | Thunder_Child | ah, the unlamented MS-DOS 5 rap... |
| 19:14.02 | Lothaer | well im off to farm some gold for repairs ill chat to yall another time |
| 19:14.05 | Lothaer | bye |
| 19:14.19 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa: Answer my question |
| 19:14.29 | alestane | Shirik|AFK:What question? |
| 19:14.31 | Lunessa | Hello Kitty Ready Check - I shudder at the evil it will unleash. |
| 19:14.35 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 19:14.39 | Shirik|Ecole | blame Cide |
| 19:14.40 | Shirik|Ecole | and Cidan |
| 19:14.50 | Cide | we're going to conquer the world |
| 19:14.56 | alestane | Oh thank goodness. |
| 19:15.09 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole, did you get a chance to look at the Hello Kitty window theme? |
| 19:15.21 | Lunessa | Hello Kitty is a meme which will open a doorway for the Older Gods, They Who Must Not Be Named - and it will be the doom of us all. |
| 19:15.30 | Shirik|Ecole | briefly yes |
| 19:15.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I had to switch back to topless |
| 19:15.35 | Cidan | It's a WIP |
| 19:15.46 | Cidan | Try out Box too |
| 19:15.51 | zenzelezz | that's all right Lunessa, Nihilum will have them on farm soon enough |
| 19:16.09 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: LOL |
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| 19:16.48 | zenzelezz | I'm not familiar with the WoW lore, but I'd somewhat like the next expansion to be Malfurion's Revenge |
| 19:17.14 | Cidan | I'd like for the next expansion not to suck donkey balls |
| 19:17.20 | Cidan | but that's just me. |
| 19:17.30 | zenzelezz | I like BC mostly |
| 19:17.39 | Lunessa | ... Cidan - you need to upgrade to a better class of pr0n. |
| 19:17.45 | Cidan | eh |
| 19:17.48 | Cidan | I tried goats |
| 19:17.51 | Cidan | Just didn't do it. |
| 19:17.58 | Kaydeethree | zombie goats! |
| 19:18.09 | Cidan | Kaydeethree, now you're talkin' |
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| 19:18.57 | Shirik|Ecole | what server is Cide on? |
| 19:19.13 | Cide | baelgun |
| 19:19.34 | Thrae | http://www.bash.org/?709087 <-- irony |
| 19:20.24 | Cidan | under what name? |
| 19:20.34 | Shirik|Ecole | wikipedia is not a dictionary -_- |
| 19:20.49 | Lunessa | Irony - when a thief has his goods stolen. |
| 19:21.03 | Cidan | Eh |
| 19:21.06 | Cidan | not really, kinda |
| 19:21.19 | Cidan | I'd say more of, Irony - When a firefighter starts a fire. |
| 19:21.35 | Shirik|Ecole | ironically |
| 19:21.39 | Shirik|Ecole | they do that quite often |
| 19:21.45 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 19:21.51 | Cidan | I do find that unlikely. |
| 19:21.53 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:21.57 | Shirik|Ecole | it's true |
| 19:22.04 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact it's one of their most powerful tools in putting out wildfires |
| 19:22.20 | Shirik|Ecole | burning the fuel helps them contain it |
| 19:22.20 | Cidan | Yes yes, fight fire with fire. |
| 19:22.33 | Cidan | oil fires are also put out this way |
| 19:23.17 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: but removing the oxygen is so much more fun |
| 19:23.31 | Shirik|Ecole | remove all the oxygen in the world? |
| 19:24.03 | Cide | well, I'm not that masochistic, so maybe keep a little bubble with it for me |
| 19:24.09 | Lunessa | That's all fire is, really rapidly adding an O to the molecule. |
| 19:24.52 | alestane | Ho boy...Slouken's monkeying with the SecureTemplates code now...I'm going to have to go see how the revisions affect my proposal. |
| 19:28.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ZoFreX (n=zofrex@freenode/helper/zofrex) |
| 19:28.17 | ZoFreX | \o/ |
| 19:28.26 | Shirik|Ecole | hi |
| 19:28.30 | Cidan | hi |
| 19:28.33 | ZoFreX | my ears were burning :P |
| 19:28.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 19:28.52 | ZoFreX | (expression that means someone was talking about me) |
| 19:28.53 | ZoFreX | hi! |
| 19:29.22 | Shirik|Ecole | well the only person we were talking about... |
| 19:29.30 | Lunessa | Well, ZoFreX is just this guy, you know? |
| 19:29.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm assuming he goes by another name :) I refuse to say it though |
| 19:29.52 | ZoFreX | Lunessa, hhgttg ftw :D |
| 19:29.59 | Cidan | ¯\(o.O)/¯ |
| 19:30.04 | Cidan | Who knows. |
| 19:30.19 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway, hi! |
| 19:30.24 | Cidan | hi |
| 19:30.26 | Cidan | ¯\(o.O)/¯ |
| 19:30.27 | Kaydeethree | damn you, blizzard tracker. give me peers with reasonable upstream |
| 19:30.28 | ZoFreX | I don't go by other names often :) |
| 19:30.28 | Shirik|Ecole | not you |
| 19:30.30 | ZoFreX | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 19:30.34 | Lunessa | And for all the rest of you, the secret is - Bang the rocks together guys! |
| 19:30.53 | Shirik|Ecole | WTF |
| 19:31.02 | Shirik|Ecole | It was perfectly fine 5 seconds ago |
| 19:31.07 | Shirik|Ecole | but now that I have to go to class, it's pouring |
| 19:31.13 | Cidan | ¯\(o.O)/¯ |
| 19:31.18 | Kaydeethree | sucks to be you? |
| 19:32.11 | alestane | Kaydeethree: Another PTR patch? |
| 19:32.25 | Kaydeethree | nah, just more stuff for the Background Downloader |
| 19:32.37 | Cide | how do you get on the PTR? |
| 19:32.46 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.49 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart Cide |
| 19:32.49 | purl | hereby declares Cide a troll |
| 19:32.51 | zenzelezz | partial2 seems to be only half the size of partial1 |
| 19:32.55 | Cide | haha |
| 19:32.57 | Cide | nice one, purl |
| 19:33.02 | Shirik|Ecole | that was actually pretty good |
| 19:33.46 | ts|skrom | anyone know a place to get a good deal on an SNES? |
| 19:34.55 | Shirik|Ecole | ebay? |
| 19:36.23 | ZoFreX | ebay |
| 19:44.34 | cog|work | l2emulate imo :P |
| 19:44.47 | ts|skrom | some games are just more fun on the real thing :D |
| 19:44.57 | ts|skrom | believe me I know how to emu :P |
| 19:45.00 | cog|work | you get a decent controller and it's like the real thing :P |
| 19:45.18 | Cidan | I prefer emu + TV output |
| 19:47.04 | Valaron|Work | SNES? Get the Wii and Virtual Console games. |
| 19:47.16 | Cidan | Very limited selection |
| 19:47.17 | ZoFreX | or just download an emulator :P |
| 19:47.19 | Cidan | no CT |
| 19:47.23 | Cidan | no FF6 |
| 19:47.29 | Cidan | ZoFreX, unlikely. |
| 19:47.33 | ZoFreX | ok |
| 19:47.34 | ZoFreX | name a game |
| 19:47.34 | Cidan | I however, do. |
| 19:47.41 | Cidan | What is your count? |
| 19:47.52 | Valaron|Work | e-peen |
| 19:48.03 | Cidan | Shh |
| 19:48.04 | Cidan | :P |
| 19:48.41 | ZoFreX | uh |
| 19:48.46 | ZoFreX | still opening the 7z file... |
| 19:48.52 | ZoFreX | 11322 |
| 19:48.55 | Cidan | hah |
| 19:48.55 | ZoFreX | including dupes obv |
| 19:48.57 | Cidan | 11,322 |
| 19:49.01 | ZoFreX | :D |
| 19:49.02 | ZoFreX | snap |
| 19:49.03 | Cidan | Hiya buddy. :D |
| 19:50.34 | Cidan | GDMF, do you have to go all the way to Azuremyst for JC? |
| 19:50.53 | Lunessa | Unless you go to Outlands. |
| 19:51.05 | Cidan | Ugh |
| 19:51.11 | Cidan | Well, at level... 6, yeah, bleh. |
| 19:51.39 | alestane | Skivvies run through the wetlands! |
| 19:51.50 | alestane | "AUBERDINE OR BUST!" |
| 19:53.40 | Lunessa | Heh, Warlock friend or mage-portal. |
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| 20:03.02 | alestane | Anyone here had to deal with really obscure MSWord problems, especially ones where the program literally does not do what the documentation says it does in black and white? |
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| 20:03.29 | Valaron|Work | What is it? |
| 20:04.09 | Shirik|Ecole | Select your application and press Install: |
| 20:04.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Notice to Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox/Opera/Safari/Lynx/Mosaic users: |
| 20:04.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Due to protocol incompatabilities, you will not be able to establish connections to install our software with your browser. |
| 20:04.10 | Shirik|Ecole | To install software from our server, you will need Microsoft Internet Explorer. You may still download CD images from our server. |
| 20:04.14 | Shirik|Ecole | what. the. hell. |
| 20:04.23 | Shirik|Ecole | They should all be fired. |
| 20:04.26 | Shirik|Ecole | The whole lot of them. |
| 20:04.29 | Kaydeethree | the hell? |
| 20:04.29 | alestane | The {INDEX} field swears it takes a \s SequenceName switch that will cause it to use the value of a particular {SEQ} field as a chapter number for page references in the index...but it doesn't. |
| 20:04.39 | alestane | Chapter number simply doesn't appear. |
| 20:04.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm trying to install some software on my computer. We have this cool website where we can just download the files and install |
| 20:04.51 | Shirik|Ecole | But apparently they only coded it for IE |
| 20:05.21 | alestane | Yeah, at work I use IE for SharePoint and FF for everything else. |
| 20:05.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm almost tempted to spoof my UA and see if it works |
| 20:05.53 | Kaydeethree | IETab |
| 20:07.49 | alestane | Valaron|Work: It's Word 2003 if that helps at all. |
| 20:08.17 | Valaron|Work | Hmm.. Sorry. Don't know, and I don't have Word on this machine to find out. |
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| 20:08.34 | ZoFreX | Shirik|AFK, who made that site? |
| 20:08.41 | Lunessa | alestane: Office 2004 for Mac OSX? |
| 20:08.43 | ZoFreX | and are they in a country that has laws about accessibility? :D |
| 20:08.55 | alestane | I'm at work running XP, Lunessa |
| 20:09.23 | Lunessa | Odd. |
| 20:09.44 | alestane | So either I'm doing something wrong or it's f***ing broken. |
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| 20:09.57 | Cidan | man |
| 20:10.01 | Cidan | Hunters suck until you get a pet. |
| 20:10.20 | cog|work | at least it's only level 10 |
| 20:10.21 | alestane | They're okay until level 5 or so and then you really start to feel like something's missing. |
| 20:10.35 | cog|work | i can go 1-10 in 1-2 hrs depending on how many interruptions i have |
| 20:10.45 | alestane | levels 8-9 are a pain. |
| 20:10.52 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 20:10.59 | cog|work | not in dun morogh :P |
| 20:11.05 | alestane | In Eversong they were. |
| 20:11.11 | Valaron|Work | The late 40s were the toughest as a Hunter. |
| 20:11.15 | Valaron|Work | imo |
| 20:12.54 | alestane | Works great in the table of contents, but the index just fails to recognize it. |
| 20:13.22 | Valaron|Work | Hmm |
| 20:13.28 | Valaron|Work | Ask the paper clip |
| 20:13.41 | alestane | AH! The spawn of Sargeras!!?! |
| 20:13.43 | art3mis | boobies \o/ |
| 20:13.49 | Valaron|Work | Odd |
| 20:14.10 | alestane | Well, that's my opinion of the paper clip, anyway. |
| 20:16.44 | Cidan | ¯\(o.O)/¯ |
| 20:16.50 | alestane | Also (I now my this happens but it's annoying) every help entry has a "See Also" down at the bottom, but 95% of the time all it contains is "Buy the 2007 Microsoft Office system" and "Free trial of the 2007 Microsoft Office system" |
| 20:17.02 | ZoFreX | lol |
| 20:17.04 | alestane | s/I now my/I know why/ |
| 20:18.39 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole, you skipped class, didn't you? |
| 20:18.52 | Shirik|Ecole | negative good sir, I am in class thank you very much :P |
| 20:19.12 | bleeter | oh hell |
| 20:19.19 | bleeter | Joe Zawinul's died |
| 20:19.26 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wait nm |
| 20:19.46 | Cidan | lulz? |
| 20:19.47 | alestane | And of course, "Word", "Index", "sequence" are such common words that Google is pretty useless. |
| 20:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I feel kinda dirty... I want to reformat everything now, and replace it with CentOS/FC... |
| 20:20.14 | Cidan | Booo |
| 20:20.16 | Cidan | BOooooOoo |
| 20:20.19 | Cidan | Debian ftw |
| 20:20.38 | zenzelezz | Slackware |
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| 20:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I bought a VPN recently, and chose CentOS5. I'm really impressed. |
| 20:20.56 | Shirik|Ecole | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531116682&sid=1 |
| 20:20.59 | Shirik|Ecole | yay for more propaganda |
| 20:21.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ffs |
| 20:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:23.18 | zenzelezz | I like how people assume that because they like something everyone else does |
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| 20:24.35 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Cidan nice sig |
| 20:24.44 | Shirik|Ecole | but it needs to be a link imo |
| 20:24.50 | Cidan | psh |
| 20:24.52 | Cidan | yes master |
| 20:25.18 | cog|work | posted |
| 20:25.45 | Cidan | lulz |
| 20:26.28 | ts|skrom | wow cog|work :P |
| 20:27.45 | alestane | Wow dogpile. |
| 20:31.19 | Cidan | rofl |
| 20:31.19 | Cidan | http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6673/wowscrnshot082107150218ik5.jpg |
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| 20:31.40 | bleeter | hehe |
| 20:31.43 | alestane | Is there a game in there somewhere? |
| 20:31.45 | ts|skrom | whoa |
| 20:31.48 | ts|skrom | fu overload |
| 20:31.48 | zenzelezz | my UI suddenly feels clean |
| 20:31.57 | Olison | rofl |
| 20:32.21 | alestane | I almost like that UF layout, is that one of the standards? |
| 20:32.48 | Olison | its xperl |
| 20:32.59 | ts|skrom | 58 mana pots? |
| 20:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | More than 58. Look next to that. |
| 20:33.15 | ts|skrom | oh wait it's one of those injectors or whatever |
| 20:33.18 | ts|skrom | ? |
| 20:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 58 = pots |
| 20:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 30 = SSC pots |
| 20:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 30 = TK pots |
| 20:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Though the injectors and the SSC pots DO share an icon, so that may be an injector |
| 20:33.48 | ts|skrom | but is it actually 38 pots? or is it one of those engineering things I know nothing about? |
| 20:34.00 | ts|skrom | s/58/38 |
| 20:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The engineering one has the first 30 icon |
| 20:34.05 | ts|skrom | hrm |
| 20:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | 58 is regular pots, first 30 is SSC *or* injector, last 30 is TK pots |
| 20:34.27 | ts|skrom | who needs 10 stacks of greater blessing regs either? haha |
| 20:35.06 | ts|skrom | talk about extremes. 993 symbol of kings and 1 symbol of divinity XD |
| 20:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had to guess, those are SSC pots.. it'd fit, and also explain why he has the reagents to buff 1000 people with blessings. |
| 20:35.56 | ts|skrom | shame he's got all that just to afk in the tunnel :D |
| 20:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, he's a raider. He can't afford actual repairs ;) |
| 20:36.25 | bleeter | can't find the exit of the tunnel 'coz too much UI |
| 20:36.29 | ts|skrom | hahaha |
| 20:36.36 | bleeter | 'omg bling lemme change that.. omg more bling...' |
| 20:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:42.08 | Kaydeethree | wow... talk about anger management issues |
| 20:42.12 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531256704&sid=1 |
| 20:42.30 | Kaydeethree | I mean, ya, I got annoyed at the last 2 races of the netherwing questline, but breaking stuff in real life? |
| 20:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a lag issue to me. |
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| 20:44.58 | Kaso | How hard is it to find a paladin friend, jeeze |
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| 20:50.17 | Shirik|AFK | 14(1611:0711:2314) 14(11158ZoFreX14) Shirik|AFK, who made that site? |
| 20:50.21 | Shirik|AFK | helps to ping the right person :P |
| 20:50.31 | Shirik|AFK | My school's IT department. They're morons, I already knew this |
| 20:50.42 | ZoFreX | ah |
| 20:50.43 | ZoFreX | lol |
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| 20:55.55 | Shirik | So apparently I'm the only one in our entire guild that can't talk in guild chat |
| 20:55.57 | Shirik | what the jack |
| 20:56.04 | Kaydeethree | you get demoted? |
| 20:56.15 | Shirik | no |
| 20:56.20 | Shirik | I am definitely the same rank as everyone else |
| 20:56.50 | alestane | You leave the guild channel off your chat window by accident? |
| 20:57.04 | Shirik | No it definitely says "You don't have permission to do that" |
| 20:57.10 | Kaso | try quitting and rejoining |
| 20:57.37 | Shirik | tried already :P |
| 20:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a friend who had her guild bug out on her |
| 20:57.40 | Shirik | oh you mean the guild? |
| 20:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | She tried to /gquit and it said 'not in a guild' |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:57.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Then she tried to be /ginvite and it said 'already in a guild' |
| 20:57.59 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | *to get a |
| 20:58.10 | Kaso | logically conflict! |
| 20:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Then she tried to talk in /g, and everyone could see it, but her |
| 20:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But she could see officer |
| 20:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | When she wasn't an offiver |
| 20:58.52 | Kaso | if it still doesnt work after leaving and re-joining guild gotta get a gm i recons |
| 20:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *officer |
| 20:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Petition a GM, get it fixed. |
| 21:00.02 | Kaydeethree | but you know the first thing the GM's gonna say is "wipe out your WTF/Interface/Cache folders" |
| 21:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Do that first. |
| 21:00.21 | Kaso | yah |
| 21:00.55 | Shirik | if the GM were to say that |
| 21:00.56 | Shirik | I would be like |
| 21:01.28 | Shirik | sir, I used /script SendChatMessage("Hello", "GUILD") and it still didn't work. However, /dump issecurevariable"SendChatMessage" returns 1. Therefore, this cannot be the problem. |
| 21:01.41 | Shirik | Hopefully that will convince him that I am smarter than him and send me to someone higher up |
| 21:01.51 | Shirik | just because I don't want to talk to him anymore, not that I need someone higher up |
| 21:01.59 | Kaso | haha i like that plan |
| 21:02.24 | Shirik | actually /dump issecurevariable"SendChatMessage" doesn't return 1 but I don't care |
| 21:02.26 | Shirik | I'll tell him it does |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | Shirik: oh, you want... |
| 21:02.49 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.58 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:03.09 | Shirik | if only you could have a world chat |
| 21:03.24 | Kaydeethree | it's called /2 |
| 21:04.22 | alestane | That's city chat. |
| 21:05.06 | alestane | <sarcasm>Has anyone ever figured out why the global chat channel is called "Trade"?</sarcasm> |
| 21:05.55 | alestane | Well, home time. |
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| 21:09.57 | Punkie` | Shirik: There was a world chat |
| 21:10.01 | Punkie` | it was WorldDefense |
| 21:10.09 | Shirik | it still exists |
| 21:10.10 | Punkie` | but you had to be above rank 10 iirc to speak in it |
| 21:10.11 | Shirik | just nobody can talk in it |
| 21:10.14 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 21:14.36 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: have you Aced IllegalAddon yet? |
| 21:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter, I *should* hurt you |
| 21:15.18 | bleeter | :( |
| 21:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, honest question |
| 21:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I used a single .xml file to do that. Is it really a big deal that I did it that way, in comparison to a .lua? |
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| 21:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (General question to everyone) |
| 21:16.07 | Cide | xml makes baby cog|work cry |
| 21:16.17 | bleeter | well, it's not aced... so it's gotta be <insert usual rants here> |
| 21:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, he's allowed to cry. |
| 21:16.31 | cog|work | i <3 xml |
| 21:16.39 | cog|work | Cidan cries |
| 21:16.45 | cog|work | and not as a baby |
| 21:17.07 | Kaso | XML is only good for making virtual frames |
| 21:17.17 | cog|work | pfft |
| 21:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Really. Is it that big of a deal? Does it *really* matter? |
| 21:17.21 | cog|work | static UIs |
| 21:17.26 | cog|work | makes much more sense |
| 21:17.37 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: to do "what"? |
| 21:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Use .xml instead of a .lua for IllegalAddon |
| 21:17.51 | Cide | "I used a single .xml file to do that" (emphasis mine) |
| 21:18.15 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download7355-IllegalAddon |
| 21:18.23 | Kaso | XML! huh-yeah! What is it good for! Absolutely nothing! Uh-huh! |
| 21:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have done it in a .lua. I did it in .xml, and (I forget who) complained that it was overkill and everything else bad |
| 21:18.45 | cog|work | Kaso: if you ever make a custom frame, designed as a whole not something like waterfall or khaos or things where all the internal elements are generated dynamically and follow some set pattern, XML makes more sense |
| 21:19.12 | cog|work | Or a table in Lua |
| 21:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably better that you link the comments page: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7355-IllegalAddon.html |
| 21:19.31 | cog|work | either way, something with clear parent-child relationships represented in code makes much more sense imo |
| 21:19.53 | bleeter | if you can't convert a d/l link to the info page in yer own head, you fail :P |
| 21:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I only browse WoWI to update my mods :P |
| 21:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Forgive me :P |
| 21:20.22 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: there's nothing wrong with it... it's just overkill |
| 21:20.35 | cog|work | it might have a millisecond impact on loading time but that's about it |
| 21:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It prints a single line to the console. How can it be overkill? |
| 21:21.03 | cog|work | using xml is overkill to print a single line to the console |
| 21:21.20 | bleeter | knew it should be aced for speed improvements! |
| 21:21.27 | cog|work | you can do it in one line of Lua |
| 21:21.42 | krka_ | or half a line! |
| 21:22.02 | Cide | ace does it in 1/4th of a line |
| 21:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something big and obvious. |
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| 21:22.29 | cog|work | Kaso: XML is especially nice when you have an editor that reads the XSD file and gives you context-sensitive code completion :P |
| 21:22.34 | krka_ | Cide: and also doubles the framerate and delivers free pizza |
| 21:22.48 | krka_ | how can you go wrong with free pizza?!?! |
| 21:22.51 | krka_ | time to sleep |
| 21:22.57 | raevanmorlock | What's the name of the lua global that WoW uses to keep everything in? |
| 21:23.02 | Kaydeethree | hey linux users... anyone else seeing this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531256751&sid=1 |
| 21:23.03 | bleeter | my University buys me free pizza once a month |
| 21:23.08 | Cide | krka_: and it lowers the memory usage into the negatives |
| 21:23.09 | cog|work | raevanmorlock: huh? |
| 21:23.22 | Kaso | _G i assusme he means |
| 21:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, the downloader refuses to download more than 16kB of the .torrent for me, so I just gave up on it and use it on windows. |
| 21:24.03 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: I haven't fired up the d/l recently for live... it *might* be related to the hang on exit 'fix' |
| 21:24.18 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: I'll take a look in a couple of mins when I logout of live |
| 21:24.22 | Kaydeethree | this is using 0.9.43 |
| 21:24.31 | bleeter | oh, well, you fail then |
| 21:24.34 | raevanmorlock | like if I create a global.. somevar = 1; .. WoW also creates a reference to it in some global table thing so that _g["somevar"] == 1 (assuming the table's name is _g .. I can't remember it) |
| 21:24.44 | Cide | _G |
| 21:24.50 | raevanmorlock | sumova |
| 21:24.50 | Cide | it's case sensitive.. but yes |
| 21:24.53 | raevanmorlock | thanks |
| 21:25.13 | Cide | if you use it a lot, I suggest local _G = _G |
| 21:25.16 | Cide | makes it a bit faster |
| 21:25.19 | krka_ | it's not _also_ |
| 21:25.25 | krka_ | it's only that table |
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| 21:25.44 | krka_ | and no need to do _G.somevar |
| 21:25.46 | krka_ | just use somevar |
| 21:25.59 | Cide | well, I'm guessing he wants to do dynamic lookups |
| 21:26.02 | raevanmorlock | I know they're teh same thing.. but it's a second way of referencing it. |
| 21:26.18 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. I need to assign a trivial name to something and ensure it's not already in use. |
| 21:26.26 | krka_ | right, for dynamic lookups it's useful |
| 21:26.31 | Cide | raevanmorlock: trivial names are bad to use :) |
| 21:26.33 | krka_ | in most cases, dynamic lookups are retarded :P |
| 21:26.48 | krka_ | it generally means you're doing something wrong |
| 21:26.55 | Cide | krka_: not really |
| 21:27.02 | krka_ | yarly |
| 21:27.08 | cog|work | no wai |
| 21:27.10 | raevanmorlock | Welllll I'm trying to spare you the long-winded version of what I'm making |
| 21:27.14 | Cide | looping through blizzard's frames (1...n) is common |
| 21:27.33 | krka_ | right, and that's because blizzard did things badly |
| 21:27.39 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: have you tried with .44 from Koji? |
| 21:27.39 | krka_ | and i guess it's ok for that purpose |
| 21:27.50 | Kaydeethree | not yet |
| 21:27.52 | krka_ | just dont introduce more such abominations :) |
| 21:28.04 | Cide | krka_: I keep all of my frames local :P |
| 21:28.15 | krka_ | good |
| 21:28.20 | krka_ | sleep time |
| 21:28.24 | Cide | night |
| 21:28.46 | raevanmorlock | g'night |
| 21:37.49 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: aye, I'm getting weirdness |
| 21:39.26 | bleeter | interesting, it's almost like it's hanging for me, but if I press cancel it starts initialising the d/l |
| 21:41.15 | zenzelezz | that being said, can't you grab the .torrent and use your favorite Linux torrent client? |
| 21:41.35 | bleeter | probably, but that's hardly the point :P |
| 21:42.14 | zenzelezz | I know, I just tend to expect a Wine user knows enough to bypass it if it becomes a probem |
| 21:42.15 | zenzelezz | *problem |
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| 21:42.26 | zenzelezz | but it would seem like weird behaviour anyhow |
| 21:42.42 | art3mis | more partials for 2.2? |
| 21:42.47 | zenzelezz | yes, part 2 |
| 21:42.49 | bleeter | I've kinda suckered myself into being a 'maintainer' for WoW under Wine... so yeah, it'd be nice if it were clean |
| 21:42.56 | zenzelezz | art3mis: 30 MB more |
| 21:43.20 | art3mis | i never start it with the launcher so i never get the download trigger ;P |
| 21:43.44 | bleeter | odd that it continues after pressing Cancel :s |
| 21:43.54 | art3mis | you're just cancelling the error ;P |
| 21:45.26 | zenzelezz | does the background downloader (on Windows) moan if you connect it to a debugger? |
| 21:45.33 | art3mis | woo for seasons 4 5 6 today for red dwarf |
| 21:46.08 | |Jelly| | Which video option makes your arrow on your minimap focused? (as opposed to fuzzy as all hell) |
| 21:46.33 | art3mis | hell isnt fuzzy it's just the mirage effect ;P |
| 21:49.07 | bleeter | hmm, is 12.129.224.132 only accessable via the Blizz d/l? It's the IP given in the connection info dialog for the HTTP direct, but I can't connect to it |
| 21:49.11 | Thrae | http://www.bash.org/?114352 <-- Kelly Hu was in Xmen 2, Watts was from The Ring. Hilarity ensues. |
| 21:49.15 | bleeter | *can't conenct to it using FF |
| 21:50.26 | zenzelezz | Waiting for 12.129.224.132... |
| 21:50.30 | zenzelezz | seems it's just utterly slow |
| 21:51.39 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: I'm leaning towards that FIXME being thrown by Wine because the HTTP host is down |
| 21:52.01 | bleeter | down/sluggish |
| 21:52.34 | zenzelezz | if it's related to the background downloader it may just be getting a ton of traffic |
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| 21:52.41 | bleeter | indeed |
| 21:53.09 | clad|book | anyone here use cd images for warcraft III on a mac? |
| 21:53.20 | clad|book | i can't even get a single mountable image created =/ |
| 21:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard games always seem to have problems with that stuff |
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| 21:57.57 | clad|book | nah i definitely had no issues with it before |
| 21:58.03 | clad|book | and its not the getting the game to work |
| 21:58.06 | clad|book | its the mounting the image part |
| 21:58.07 | clad|book | =/ |
| 22:01.01 | Valaron|Work | CD images? |
| 22:01.33 | Valaron|Work | ISOs? |
| 22:03.30 | Wraanger | question : can chatframe alpha be set by code ? |
| 22:03.38 | art3mis | on a mac no |
| 22:03.50 | art3mis | ive got wc3 and ft in pc iso form though ;P |
| 22:03.55 | Punkie` | Wraanger: test it :D |
| 22:04.26 | Wraanger | tested with SetBackdropColor ..it does not work ... and SetAlpha set alpha of the frame, not background =( |
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| 22:09.47 | Nom- | heh |
| 22:09.53 | Nom- | my itemsync knows about 11,900 items |
| 22:09.56 | Nom- | :O |
| 22:11.54 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: that IP's now responding... not exactly speedy, but responding nonetheless.. you may wanna try your d/l again see if it still spams those errors |
| 22:15.59 | Wraanger | SetChatWindowAlpha(1,0) not working too =(( |
| 22:16.58 | mikma | Wraanger: FCF_SetWindowAlpha(ChatFrame1, 0) |
| 22:17.14 | Wraanger | ahhh |
| 22:17.21 | Lunessa | http://www.bash.org/?802731 - I should NOT read Bash.org at work... |
| 22:24.51 | Valaron|Work | I read Bash at work. |
| 22:25.02 | Valaron|Work | At least you didn't link Rick Astley. |
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| 22:28.34 | Valaron|Work | I read the Wii forums too |
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| 22:43.17 | Cidan | oh man |
| 22:43.18 | Cidan | best |
| 22:43.19 | Cidan | nap |
| 22:43.21 | Cidan | EVAR |
| 22:43.30 | |Jelly| | I know, right. |
| 22:43.44 | Cidan | I feel like a million bucks atm |
| 22:44.24 | Cidan | Which as we all know |
| 22:44.29 | Cidan | is OVER NINE THOUUUSSAANDDD |
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| 22:50.06 | alestane | Well, that's charming...one comment so far on SilentMacros, and all it says is, "cant you just use the space bar?" |
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| 22:52.33 | alestane | Given the number of people I've seen ask about it on the forum, I somehow thought a mod to hide macro names would be better received. |
| 22:53.29 | Valaron|Work | You got people who want things like #showtooltip, and then you get people who doesn't want anything at all. |
| 22:54.35 | alestane | I have no problem with tooltips, I often find them useful...I just don't like the macro name clogging up my action button. |
| 22:54.40 | Lunessa | And you have people who should stick their heads into a grinder set on "the whole damned cow" mode and not whine that volunteers making them free software don't get 'their vision' - but that's just me. |
| 22:55.32 | alestane | Well, the mod took me two hours or so to make...and I use it myself so even if it's not insanely popular, I won't cry too hard. |
| 22:56.29 | alestane | Heh, and this guy never got a response at all...didn't we get another one of these pretty recently? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531046356&sid=1 |
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| 22:56.41 | Lunessa | Of course, then there are things like this - http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/ - which have nothing to do with the topic, but make me happy. |
| 22:58.28 | Lunessa | Answered. :) |
| 23:02.21 | Nom- | oh yay |
| 23:02.41 | Nom- | They're doing Iron Man properly instead of that joke of an animated movie a few months back |
| 23:02.48 | Nom- | thanks for that link :D |
| 23:03.16 | cog|work | http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm |
| 23:05.34 | alestane | That could be cool but is also sort of scary. |
| 23:09.34 | cog|work | heh.. get a strong enough antenna and set the ocean on fire? |
| 23:10.17 | Cidan | That's pretty amazing |
| 23:10.26 | Cidan | Not that you'll EVER see it in use |
| 23:11.02 | Nom- | wow |
| 23:11.09 | art3mis | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7530-cyCircledIronCross.html#cmnt48916 uhh what? |
| 23:11.10 | Nom- | You guys seen the trailer for Beowulf ? |
| 23:11.11 | alestane | But can it be useful? Given that the byroduct of hydrogen combustion is water, and the hydrogen is being extracted from water, how can it ever produce more energy than it uses? |
| 23:11.21 | Nom- | I was halfway through before I worked out it was actually animated |
| 23:11.25 | Nom- | They've done really good on the CGI |
| 23:11.38 | alestane | What's this about Beowulf? |
| 23:11.43 | Nom- | Beowulf movie |
| 23:11.54 | Nom- | http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/beowulf/ |
| 23:12.21 | Cidan | It can't produce more energy than it uses -- that's not the point |
| 23:13.03 | Cidan | The point is we might have a viable alternative to fossil fuels |
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| 23:14.13 | Nom- | lol |
| 23:14.17 | cog|work | Cidan: lolwut? |
| 23:14.23 | Nom- | hydrogen powered cars are an alternative for fossil fuels |
| 23:14.44 | cog|work | Sounds like the reasoning of a......... |
| 23:14.51 | Nom- | You know why we don't have them? Because it requres burning fossil fuels to produce the hydrogen, and again, it takes more energy than you get out |
| 23:15.45 | Cidan | But you're not producing anything before hand in this article |
| 23:16.14 | cog|work | Cidan: but you need the source of RF waves |
| 23:16.19 | Cidan | Yes |
| 23:16.24 | cog|work | that's "produced" |
| 23:16.32 | Cidan | It's self contained though |
| 23:16.57 | Cidan | a battery + alternator + RF emitter + salt water |
| 23:16.59 | Cidan | in this case |
| 23:17.09 | cog|work | yes but how do you charge the battery? |
| 23:17.19 | Cidan | "alternator" |
| 23:17.29 | cog|work | O.O |
| 23:17.37 | alestane | Still runs into the perpetual motion problem. |
| 23:17.44 | cog|work | Cidan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics |
| 23:18.00 | Cidan | Yes, yes. |
| 23:18.09 | Cidan | The point isn't, argh |
| 23:18.10 | alestane | Nom-: If that really is ALL CGI, than I am indeed duly impressed. |
| 23:18.16 | Cidan | It isn't to make a perfect self contained system |
| 23:18.16 | cog|work | Burning hydrogen and oxygen creates water |
| 23:18.24 | Cidan | it's to replace fossile fuels |
| 23:18.41 | cog|work | Cidan: the reason we use fossil fules is because it contains already-stored energy |
| 23:18.49 | alestane | By shifting the focus to electricity? |
| 23:18.54 | Cidan | as does salt water! |
| 23:18.58 | cog|work | No! |
| 23:19.02 | cog|work | that's our point |
| 23:19.15 | alestane | Water contains very little stored chemical energy. |
| 23:19.17 | cog|work | Hydrogen and oxygen RELEASE energy to turn into water |
| 23:19.55 | Cidan | forget it |
| 23:20.44 | alestane | I ca see a couple of possibilities though...hydrogen-powered cars have been proposed before, but one of the many concerns is carrying around a bunch of hydrogen in your fuel tank...adds a whole new dimension of lethality to auto accidents. |
| 23:21.21 | alestane | If you could carry it in the form of water in a remotely viable way that would hep address that part of the problem. |
| 23:21.25 | Kaydeethree | bleeter, nah, it's still throwing that same fixme |
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| 23:23.19 | Nom- | alestane: as am i |
| 23:23.36 | cog|work | You know what amuses me most about energy? Except for geothermal and nuclear, every form of energy we use on this planet is fundamentally solar |
| 23:23.42 | Nom- | alestane: We'll see... the high def movie definately looked like it was... the images are near perfect, but the motion still looks a little bit off |
| 23:24.04 | Nom- | ooooh yeah |
| 23:24.05 | Nom- | Hitman movie |
| 23:24.08 | alestane | The motion is the only thing that suggests to me that it may not be live. |
| 23:24.12 | Nom- | Man, I haven't been keeping up! |
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| 23:32.14 | Kaydeethree | the funny thing is, the server it pings runs fedora |
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| 23:38.20 | Elessdy | well, the jackholes at sony decided that the black psp-2000 ships on the 24th, not like the 10th as amazon claimed |
| 23:39.52 | Lunessa | I just watch the HD version of the trailer for Beowulf. It looked good. The artists did a fantastic job. Sadly, they still emulate human motion too slowly. |
| 23:40.11 | Wobin_ | Lunessa: Linky? |
| 23:40.30 | Lunessa | http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/beowulf/ |
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| 23:49.51 | Rallion_ | whoa some very interesting new trailers there |
| 23:50.00 | Rallion_ | as soon as they just download... |
| 23:56.30 | Cidan | Hitman movie will be an epic failure |
| 23:56.50 | Cidan | They are adding a romantic interest |
| 23:58.20 | Rallion_ | hitman failed as soon as they cast that guy |
| 23:58.30 | amro|laptop | without explaining how he suddenly has emotions I bet |
