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| 00:00.27 | zenzelezz | so MSN says it has "blocked access to the file"... and I am indeed unable to locate any trace of it. God damn stupid piece of software |
| 00:00.43 | alestane | I may be jumping at phantoms but the way he tailed me was spooky. |
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| 00:04.25 | Kaydeethree | gah... I'm reminded why I don't go to Barnes & Noble all that often |
| 00:04.42 | Kaydeethree | spent ~100USD on manga, was in the store for 5 minutes tops |
| 00:04.59 | alestane | That's only 9-12 books. |
| 00:05.05 | Kaydeethree | 9 |
| 00:05.34 | alestane | What amuses me is that they have this huge manga section now when hardly anyone knew what it was five years ago. |
| 00:05.43 | Kaydeethree | no joke |
| 00:05.59 | alestane | Now I go to folk dance events and see kids sitting in the corner reading Fruits Basket. |
| 00:06.40 | Shirik | heh, I should show you my senior "goodbye outing" picture |
| 00:06.44 | Shirik | me and a couple of friends |
| 00:06.49 | alestane | Thanks for listening to my woes folks, it's not bugging me so bad now. |
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| 00:06.59 | Shirik | it's me, one caucasian girl, and about 10 asians in the picture |
| 00:07.14 | Shirik | and I'm about 2 feet taller than everyone else :D |
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| 00:07.46 | alestane | Being in Japan was weird like that for me too. |
| 00:08.08 | alestane | 120000 people in a city and maybe 150 are caucasians. |
| 00:08.11 | Kaydeethree | I still wanna go to japan at some point... maybe when I've got upwards of 7-10k I'm willing to throw away |
| 00:08.18 | Shirik | if you go to Japan |
| 00:08.24 | Shirik | either learn the language or be with someone that knows the area |
| 00:08.29 | Shirik | and be sure to plan it out |
| 00:08.38 | Shirik | Going there can be a ton of fun or it can be your worst nightmare |
| 00:08.46 | Shirik | I would love to go back sometime |
| 00:09.21 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/2u7nlr <-- look, you can now tinify stuff without needing to show the original link in the channel (IE, kinda defeating the purpose) [Thrae] |
| 00:09.56 | alestane | I advocate the language, the grammar should be cake for anyone who can learn multiple programming languages and it lets you understand where they mistranslate the anime. |
| 00:10.43 | Shirik | I found it! |
| 00:10.44 | Shirik | here |
| 00:11.00 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aeae5654d169d75593500effc9855c70.jpg |
| 00:11.05 | Shirik | god I look HORRIBLE in that picture |
| 00:11.15 | Shirik | and I needed a haircut |
| 00:11.25 | JoshBorke | that's pretty funny |
| 00:11.55 | Shirik | that was our little clique |
| 00:12.07 | alestane | If you're the one in the back, you look a lot like my brother. |
| 00:12.17 | Kaydeethree | meh, I understand when they mistranslate without formally learning japanese |
| 00:12.28 | Kaydeethree | that's what I get for watching subs of dubious quality for 10+ years |
| 00:12.30 | Shirik | yes I'm the one who's the giant compared to the rest :P |
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| 00:23.36 | Cidan | christ that looks nothing like you now Shirik |
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| 00:23.45 | Shirik | like I said :p |
| 00:25.01 | Shirik | pop quiz: |
| 00:25.09 | Shirik | There exists a meta gem which offers the following ability: |
| 00:25.21 | Shirik | "5% chance on spellcast: Next spell casts in half time" |
| 00:25.31 | Kaydeethree | skyfire? |
| 00:25.31 | Shirik | You set up your gear to use two of those |
| 00:25.38 | Shirik | what is your new percentage? |
| 00:26.01 | zenzelezz | would they both proc at the same time? |
| 00:26.24 | Cidan | hmm |
| 00:26.28 | Shirik | I know the answer to this :P |
| 00:26.33 | Shirik | this is a test |
| 00:26.34 | Cidan | I wonder if it's 5% of 5% |
| 00:26.38 | Cidan | or 10% |
| 00:26.42 | Cidan | it's one of the two |
| 00:26.45 | JoshBorke | shirik: hi |
| 00:26.46 | Shirik | I just had this debate in party chat |
| 00:26.52 | Shirik | actually it's neither |
| 00:26.55 | Shirik | it's simple probability :) |
| 00:27.01 | Shirik | statistics |
| 00:27.06 | Cidan | Explain. |
| 00:27.15 | Shirik | I will when everyone else gives up :P |
| 00:27.46 | alestane | It's .05 + (.05 * .95) |
| 00:28.01 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:28.06 | Shirik | I don't know where you came up with that, but that is correct |
| 00:28.17 | alestane | I took statistics in college. |
| 00:28.31 | Shirik | that's a strange version of the formula |
| 00:28.33 | JoshBorke | me too |
| 00:28.36 | JoshBorke | i got a b |
| 00:28.39 | Thrae | alestane: Then you should know the parathenses are not needed there ;) |
| 00:28.41 | Shirik | (one I haven't seen that its) |
| 00:29.01 | alestane | It's the chance that the first one procs, plus the chance that it doesn't but that the second one does. |
| 00:29.05 | zenzelezz | Thrae: not everyone remembers precedence |
| 00:29.12 | alestane | Thrae: Not needed, but clearer. |
| 00:29.23 | Shirik | I did .05+.05-.05^2 |
| 00:29.36 | Thrae | Not according to my calculus teacher! |
| 00:30.17 | Shirik | The chance that the first one procs plus the chance that the second one procs minus the chance that they both proc |
| 00:30.22 | Shirik | which is the same, just a different way of looking at it |
| 00:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | honkhonkhonk |
| 00:30.41 | Shirik | The answer, cidan, is .0975 |
| 00:30.46 | Shirik | (9.75%) |
| 00:30.51 | Cidan | I saw that. |
| 00:31.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | <zenzelezz> would they both proc at the same time? |
| 00:31.13 | Shirik | that's irrelevant |
| 00:31.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | this entirely depends on how WoW does procs |
| 00:31.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | honestly, it's not worth trying to work out |
| 00:31.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | because some procs can happen at the same time, some can't, some trigger a cooldown on the other proc, etc |
| 00:31.49 | Shirik | I don't think anyone has those two together anyway |
| 00:31.53 | Cidan | I disagree. |
| 00:32.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's too many internal things you can't see to work out the math reliably |
| 00:32.42 | Shirik | That wasn't the point of the test anyway >.> |
| 00:32.52 | Cidan | That's just silly though. |
| 00:32.54 | Shirik | For a first chance proc, what's the percentage :P |
| 00:33.12 | Shirik | i.e., according to exactly what it says |
| 00:33.18 | Shirik | which is 5% chance, period |
| 00:33.39 | Shirik | if there were other components, it would say "Gives a chance" Not "5% chance" |
| 00:33.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 19155/21000 ogrila, i wonder if i can get exalted today |
| 00:34.03 | Cidan | Now how do you figure that a second chance adds only 4.75? |
| 00:34.09 | zenzelezz | isn't it ~1200/day with all four dailies? |
| 00:34.20 | Shirik | P(1) + P(2) - P(1 n 2) |
| 00:34.43 | zenzelezz | that's assuming WoW does it that way |
| 00:34.48 | Cidan | Which it doesn't. |
| 00:34.51 | Shirik | That's assuming WoW follows its own exact rules |
| 00:34.51 | Cidan | So that's just silly. |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | Which is exactly what the gem says |
| 00:35.13 | Shirik | Besides, you guys are taking this way beyond what this was ever meant to be |
| 00:35.15 | Shirik | lighten up a little |
| 00:35.18 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 00:35.20 | zenzelezz | tooltips say a lot of stupdi stuff |
| 00:35.34 | zenzelezz | if you're not talking concretely about some game aspect, use a different example |
| 00:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | tooltips don't always do what they say |
| 00:35.44 | Cidan | it's either .05 + .05 or .05 + (.05 * .05) |
| 00:36.02 | Shirik | Cidan: It will never be .05 + .05 |
| 00:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | for example, the shred idol doesn't really increase shred's base damage by 88 |
| 00:36.06 | Shirik | ever |
| 00:36.10 | Corrodias | argh, we only have 22 people in gruul's lair |
| 00:36.16 | Corrodias | and we're not accepting new applications? :P |
| 00:36.23 | Shirik | If you have two random actions that occur 50% of the time, in any case |
| 00:36.26 | Shirik | anything at all |
| 00:36.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it increases the damage of shred by 39 |
| 00:36.36 | Shirik | the chance that one or the other happens will ALWAYS be 75% |
| 00:36.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | which gets the shred modifier |
| 00:37.11 | zenzelezz | Shirik: it should be obvious by now that you're not going to convince s |
| 00:37.12 | zenzelezz | *us |
| 00:37.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is *2.25 |
| 00:37.23 | Cidan | Ah, I see what you mean. |
| 00:37.26 | Shirik | convince you of what? |
| 00:37.29 | Shirik | math? |
| 00:37.34 | Shirik | You can't dispute what I just saaid |
| 00:37.37 | zenzelezz | you assume it follows those rules |
| 00:37.39 | Shirik | unless you want to go yell at the AP board |
| 00:37.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is really only 87.75 |
| 00:37.47 | Shirik | you know what, forget it |
| 00:37.48 | zenzelezz | they can do it any number of ways no matter what a stupid tooltip says |
| 00:37.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but wow sometimes rounds that up to 88, sometimes it doesn't |
| 00:37.57 | Cidan | Wow... |
| 00:38.00 | Cidan | what... was that? |
| 00:38.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think anyone's arguing with his math |
| 00:38.17 | Saint-N | that is what we call a hissy fit ;P |
| 00:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're arguing that wow doesn't always do the things it says it does |
| 00:38.28 | Saint-N | err "hissy fit" |
| 00:39.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's theorycraft and nothing more |
| 00:39.13 | Cidan | Not really |
| 00:39.17 | Cidan | He's actually spot on |
| 00:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you know for a fact just how it's calculated |
| 00:39.24 | Cidan | regardless of how WoW calculates it |
| 00:39.35 | Cidan | it's simple math and statistics. |
| 00:39.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | they round things bizarrely, don't let some procs happen at the same time, etc |
| 00:39.45 | Cidan | Just been a while since I had to use any of it. |
| 00:39.49 | zenzelezz | the fact that a gem says it gives 5% chance does not guarantee the game handles it as a 5% ever value |
| 00:39.49 | Cidan | But he's right. |
| 00:39.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | if wow does what it says it does, he is |
| 00:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | then there's the addition of procs per minute, etc |
| 00:40.33 | Cidan | Well, we were going under the assumtion under the pure number of it all. |
| 00:40.47 | Cidan | He was trying to make a point that .05 + .05 is not a valid answer |
| 00:40.54 | Cidan | And he is right. |
| 00:41.40 | zenzelezz | like I told him, you won't convince me of that until I see the code for how WoW handles whatever items he might be picturing |
| 00:41.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you have 2 gems and they are infact 5% to do the same thing, and there's no limitations otherwise |
| 00:42.07 | Cidan | He's not talking about the code |
| 00:42.10 | Cidan | he's talking about math |
| 00:42.17 | Saint-N | more than likely his argument is that during that 5% chance ther are mechanics inplace to prevent the other 5% from happening |
| 00:42.25 | Cidan | He's not talking about WoW in particular, that wasn't the point he was trying to get across |
| 00:42.33 | zenzelezz | and again as I said, if you don't want people to involve these kinds of speculations, don't use such an example |
| 00:42.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | then you have a 5% chance to proc it, and a 5% chance to proc it |
| 00:42.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | not to be confused with a 10% chance to proc it |
| 00:42.59 | Saint-N | Mr_Rabies2: you have a 5% chance of the remaing 95% ;P |
| 00:43.02 | Cidan | He was trying to get the mathematics across, that's all. |
| 00:43.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're completely unrelated at all |
| 00:43.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, Saint-N, because they could proc at the same time |
| 00:43.41 | Saint-N | and thats assumeing that the base number isnt reset and it can indead double proc |
| 00:43.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and despite being the same spell, are two different effects |
| 00:44.03 | Saint-N | and assuming that there isnt a mechnic to say that it simply cant double proc |
| 00:44.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the problem |
| 00:44.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | he should have used something more concrete |
| 00:44.20 | Saint-N | but |
| 00:44.27 | Cidan | christ |
| 00:44.31 | Cidan | You people are impossible. |
| 00:44.36 | Cidan | Just, let it go |
| 00:44.40 | Saint-N | if its starting at the same number point it would calc one then the other thus 5% then 5% of 95% |
| 00:44.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | like rolling two dice with a 5% chance to land on a certain number |
| 00:44.42 | zenzelezz | took you this long to figure that out Cidan? |
| 00:44.53 | Saint-N | shrug |
| 00:45.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that would be a more concrete way of doing it |
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| 00:55.46 | Chaotic_D | gah. can you not make and call functions when testing Lua with cladbot? |
| 00:55.53 | Chaotic_D | also, hello. |
| 00:56.37 | Wraanger | >lua print("Hello") |
| 00:56.52 | Wraanger | ;) |
| 00:56.58 | Cidan | lua> local t = function(x,y) print(x+y); end t(1,2); |
| 00:57.03 | Chaotic_D | the hello was not related to what I said before. |
| 00:57.18 | Cidan | lua> print("hi"); |
| 00:57.22 | Cidan | lol |
| 00:57.25 | Cidan | wtf |
| 00:58.06 | Chaotic_D | well now I'll never know. |
| 00:58.31 | Chaotic_D | I keep breaking my addon every time I change things. -_-; |
| 01:00.19 | Cidan | Gah |
| 01:00.20 | Intangir | hey |
| 01:00.24 | Cidan | A street fighter movie? |
| 01:00.26 | Cidan | Why? |
| 01:00.27 | Cidan | WHY? |
| 01:00.33 | Intangir | i unpacked the graphics from wow. it make alot of .blp files |
| 01:00.36 | Intangir | what are these? |
| 01:00.40 | Cidan | There was only one decent video game movie ever made. |
| 01:00.50 | Chaotic_D | Super Ma... uh, which one? |
| 01:00.56 | JoshBorke | Intangir: image files |
| 01:00.57 | Cidan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.BLP |
| 01:01.07 | Cidan | Mortal Kombat |
| 01:01.11 | Cidan | The first one. |
| 01:01.15 | Cidan | It kicked so much ass. |
| 01:01.29 | Chaotic_D | Cidan: BLP is a poor excuse for a movie |
| 01:01.40 | Cidan | Chaotic_D, D: |
| 01:01.49 | Chaotic_D | I got a free pass to see MK2. I walked out of it. IT WAS FREE. |
| 01:02.07 | Cidan | I walked out of MK2 as well |
| 01:02.14 | Cidan | as I did Texas Chainsaw |
| 01:02.16 | Cidan | the newer one |
| 01:02.49 | Chaotic_D | Wait Wait! What about The Goonies! oh wait, the video game came later... and only the sequel was any good. |
| 01:02.53 | Intangir | do you know which frame is used for the nameplates over characters? |
| 01:02.53 | Cidan | And I managed to suffer through "Dreamcatcher" all the way through |
| 01:03.38 | Cidan | Last movie I saw at the theater was LotR |
| 01:03.40 | Chaotic_D | I guess it's easier to name franchise games that don't suck than movies/shows based on games that don't. |
| 01:03.46 | Intangir | i want to change the frame over peoples heads, the one with the raid icon |
| 01:03.47 | Gngsk | cidan, same |
| 01:04.35 | Chaotic_D | I'm not a big theatre person. watching stuff in the dark gives me a headache. and the volume is usually too loud. |
| 01:05.17 | Cidan | I like them |
| 01:05.18 | JoshBorke | Intangir: you can not change the raid icon over people's heads |
| 01:05.31 | Cidan | I just don't like what is showed. |
| 01:05.33 | JoshBorke | except by changing the raid icon itself |
| 01:05.54 | Cidan | doesn't WoW not let you replace textures anymore? |
| 01:06.04 | Chaotic_D | I tried playing the game using one of the leveling guides on a laptop. uhg. it's just... painful compared to a well-scripted in-game walkthrough with Cartographer waypoints pointing to the quest starters and enders. :S |
| 01:06.20 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 01:06.21 | JoshBorke | if you say so |
| 01:06.28 | Chaotic_D | I hate quests. |
| 01:08.33 | Chaotic_D | too bad it takes almost as long to write the scripts as it does to follow them. :S |
| 01:10.20 | JoshBorke | yep |
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| 01:11.01 | Chaotic_D | of course, if I play more than once along the same line (and as long as it's the same faction, all but the starting zones will be the same) I'll save time. |
| 01:12.19 | Chaotic_D | I wish I could make it so when I add to my addon, it doesn't break it. |
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| 01:23.21 | Intangir | what can i use to install something in an .msi? |
| 01:23.23 | Intangir | on linux |
| 01:24.03 | JoshBorke | you can't |
| 01:24.09 | Intangir | NOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 01:24.11 | Intangir | for real? |
| 01:24.17 | JoshBorke | msi is a windows installer |
| 01:24.24 | Intangir | so |
| 01:24.29 | Intangir | wow is a windows game and i play it |
| 01:24.30 | JoshBorke | so...you're running linux |
| 01:25.02 | JoshBorke | if you are competent enough to install wow in linux then you are competent enough to figure out how to use an msi in linux |
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| 01:27.05 | Cidan | wine msiexec.exe /i blah.msi |
| 01:27.28 | Intangir | damn it.. |
| 01:27.32 | Intangir | it needs mono too |
| 01:27.36 | Intangir | freaking laaame |
| 01:27.38 | Intangir | i hate MS crap |
| 01:27.55 | Cidan | Er... so don't use it? |
| 01:28.06 | Intangir | its a wow ui designer |
| 01:28.18 | Intangir | guess ill have to boot windows.. |
| 01:28.40 | Cidan | If something is written for another OS, don't complain that the OS sucks just on that point alone, it's silly. |
| 01:29.05 | Cidan | That's like me saying, wtf i h8 linux, iptables won't run in windows!@!~!!1 |
| 01:29.31 | Intangir | lol |
| 01:29.38 | Intangir | well half the linux tools do work in windows |
| 01:29.44 | Cidan | shh |
| 01:29.47 | Cidan | trying to make a point |
| 01:30.40 | Intangir | MS makes a strategy of it though |
| 01:30.54 | Intangir | thats what i hate, its a strategy against free choice |
| 01:32.00 | kergoth | damnit, my casual guild just cant seem to get curator down |
| 01:32.20 | kergoth | that last flare he summons right as evocate starts, cant kill it fast enough |
| 01:33.02 | Gngsk | kergoth, flasked and stuff? |
| 01:34.06 | kergoth | no flasks, and we had 3 rogues in that attempt, and the group is spread out. the lightning is zapping the fuck out of the rogues while we chase the flares |
| 01:34.21 | Gngsk | ouch, 3 rogues is less than ideal |
| 01:34.28 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:34.59 | Gngsk | flask up and chug arcane prot pots, good use of cloak will all help a lot |
| 01:35.31 | JoshBorke | yay, new staff |
| 01:35.41 | JoshBorke | and i'm exalted with tranquillien |
| 01:36.06 | Gngsk | heh, exalted with a faction at level 20 feels weird, doesn't it? |
| 01:36.35 | JoshBorke | i actually didn't do it until 30 |
| 01:36.40 | JoshBorke | never found a group for the last quest |
| 01:36.40 | Gngsk | :o |
| 01:36.45 | Gngsk | ahh |
| 01:36.47 | JoshBorke | so i came back for the minor staff upgrade |
| 01:37.22 | Gngsk | I really enjoyed the 2 BE newbie zones |
| 01:37.32 | Gngsk | still think the dwarven/gnome ones are the best though |
| 01:37.38 | JoshBorke | there were nice |
| 01:37.49 | JoshBorke | but i can definitely feel teh difference in graphics level |
| 01:37.59 | Gngsk | definitely |
| 01:38.15 | Gngsk | I can't wait for the new micro dungeons in wotlk |
| 01:38.22 | Gngsk | hope they're similar to that undead area in ghostlands |
| 01:38.25 | Gngsk | I really liked that area |
| 01:38.48 | JoshBorke | micro dungeons? |
| 01:39.05 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 01:39.10 | Gngsk | non instaced dungeon like areas |
| 01:39.16 | Gngsk | elite quests |
| 01:39.25 | Gngsk | like stromgarde |
| 01:39.32 | Gngsk | stonekeep watch |
| 01:39.40 | Gngsk | er, stonewatch keep |
| 01:39.54 | Gngsk | the ghostlands one is called deatholme |
| 01:40.11 | Gngsk | pretty sure they announced there will be new ones in wotlk |
| 01:40.18 | JoshBorke | i hate those places |
| 01:40.22 | Gngsk | hehe |
| 01:40.35 | Gngsk | can't please everyone, I kinda like the micro dungeon feel though |
| 01:40.37 | JoshBorke | while nice in concept and great when everyone is at that level |
| 01:40.50 | JoshBorke | it sucks once no one else is there |
| 01:40.54 | Gngsk | maybe because I had such nice experiences with them at low levels in my early play stages |
| 01:41.32 | Gngsk | yeah, it'll be interesting to go through those areas when they change them to non-elite in this leveling nerf patch |
| 01:43.54 | timhe | anyone here who's familiar with UnitPopup.lua who'd be willing to private with an addon newb? |
| 01:44.23 | timhe | trying to add an item to the UnitPopup dropdown menus, not sure quite how, if it's possible at all |
| 01:45.54 | Tem|Work | I remember the first time I went through the ogre area in Loch Modan |
| 01:45.59 | Tem|Work | it was a very cool experience |
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| 01:49.40 | timhe | specifically, if there's a way to hook into UnitPopup_OnClick(); got the button to show. |
| 01:56.14 | Lunessa | timhe - tread carefully in there, it's very easy to taint pretty much ... everything ... playing with that. |
| 01:56.48 | Tem|Work | DO NOT HOOK THAT FUNCTION |
| 01:57.53 | timhe | heh naturally the first function i ever try to hook is bad. found a howto. tainting will last longer than the visibility of the dropdowns? |
| 01:58.10 | Tem|Work | taint on a variable is forever |
| 01:58.28 | Tem|Work | taint on a codepath is until that path ends |
| 01:58.53 | timhe | ok i'll search for info on tainting. thank you |
| 02:00.48 | Lunessa | Tainting that function will kill ... well almost everything that requires you to interact with the 3d world. |
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| 02:05.17 | timhe | the idea of tainting is specific to WoW's implementation of lua, not lua itself, right? |
| 02:05.18 | Corrodias | okay, after a couple of hours we finally get maulgar down |
| 02:05.47 | Corrodias | i'm outrolled on the shoulders, no surprise |
| 02:11.39 | Cidan | hah |
| 02:11.41 | Cidan | that's need |
| 02:11.45 | Cidan | er, neat |
| 02:12.05 | Cidan | I put my computer to sleep, woke it up, and I still have my socket open to IRC |
| 02:25.25 | _art3mis | booo |
| 02:25.32 | _art3mis | pavaroti died |
| 02:25.40 | art3mis | i blame cidan |
| 02:26.53 | timhe | hooksecurefunc seems to work. thanks for the warning about tainting, both of you. |
| 02:27.52 | Lunessa | timhe - glad I could help. |
| 02:28.05 | art3mis | gasp! |
| 02:28.13 | art3mis | someone got help in this channel? |
| 02:28.26 | art3mis | and it worked and didnt devolve into a 4 hour argument? |
| 02:28.40 | art3mis | wierd |
| 02:29.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 02:29.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | 500 more rep with ogrila to go and i'm out of quests for the day |
| 02:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | >;[ |
| 02:30.08 | Chaotic_D | what's a good way to debug an addon? is there maybe a separate window I could output the debug text to? I'm guessing it's better to spit out info during each step instead of spitting it out at the end, in case it never gets to the end, right? |
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| 02:30.56 | Chaotic_D | when does the next day start? midnight PST? |
| 02:31.11 | art3mis | 2am i think server time |
| 02:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4 am server time here |
| 02:31.45 | Chaotic_D | ... :o server time would let you know what timezone the server is in. |
| 02:31.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it may just be 1am PST |
| 02:32.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | the clock on the quest logs is off by an hour |
| 02:32.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's supposed to be 12am pst but it really does it at 1am pst for my server |
| 02:33.57 | Chaotic_D | is there an addon that lets you input a coordinate and shows you where on the map it would be, instead of having to drag your mouse over and inch it around until you get the right number? |
| 02:34.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the coord ones do |
| 02:34.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | which coord addon do you use? |
| 02:34.38 | Chaotic_D | Cartographer. I have TomTom too. |
| 02:35.16 | Chaotic_D | I thought you could only do that either by mouse position on the map, or by addon programming. |
| 02:36.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 02:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't had to do it since i stopped using worldmapinfo or mapnotes or whatever was in cosmos |
| 02:37.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | but with those you could do like /tloc 45,50 |
| 02:37.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and stuff |
| 02:37.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 02:37.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | tloc works with cartographer |
| 02:37.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just did it |
| 02:37.54 | Chaotic_D | oh. I never used tloc, so I didn't know. thanks. |
| 02:38.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't put a dot up though |
| 02:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you can do like, /waypoint help |
| 02:38.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and see what you can do |
| 02:38.35 | Chaotic_D | huh. command line stuff. |
| 02:38.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you have the waypoint addon for cartographer i guess |
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| 02:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 02:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I just hit ctrl+alt+backspace in X and wiped my raid |
| 02:51.06 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 02:51.11 | art3mis | good job scythe |
| 02:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I know :( |
| 03:01.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | beryl imo |
| 03:03.03 | art3mis | compiz-fuzion :P |
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| 03:08.57 | clad|book | Chaotic_D: Mr_Rabies: you can use /way with TOmTom to place a waypoint |
| 03:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
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| 03:17.27 | Chaotic_D | hrm... I think I'm going to make a Drenai... (female). Priest or shaman? I've played shaman (to 46) but not priest. |
| 03:19.27 | Chaotic_D | both healers. I figure a good complement to my friend's warrior and rogue in case we ever do stuff outside of his guild raiding. |
| 03:20.03 | Chaotic_D | I already have a 11 hunter and 12 mage on there. but I'm not so sure that's a good match. |
| 03:23.03 | Chaotic_D | I can't make an informed decision. |
| 03:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | priest, imo |
| 03:24.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | shamans are fun and incredibly powerful in 5 mans, totems are great, but nothing compares to a priest, especially if you decide to go shadow |
| 03:25.30 | Chaotic_D | heh. I'm making too many Alliance toons. one day I want to see a Draeni shaman and it's totems. |
| 03:25.55 | Chaotic_D | I heard low level priest has it hard. |
| 03:26.27 | Chaotic_D | shaman... ahhh, so well-rounded. |
| 03:26.33 | Chaotic_D | ok, I'll try priest. |
| 03:26.57 | Chaotic_D | now I gotta think of a name, not knowing much about the culture other than what I read on the wiki. |
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| 05:19.15 | Chaotic_D | wooo. got my addon working again. (again... again) still can't figure out why the Cartographer waypoints won't work without reloading the UI. it never works the first time. |
| 05:21.30 | Chaotic_D | also, why does the game keep turning on random addons after I log out? it puts the checkmarks in white. |
| 05:24.14 | Chaotic_D | huh... /reloadui seems to be what enables more addons than before... |
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| 05:57.13 | Cairenn | rofl, finally got my cell bill from BlizzCon - $350 |
| 05:57.28 | cogwheel_ | O.O |
| 05:57.35 | cogwheel_ | you should start another donation fund .< |
| 05:58.23 | cogwheel_ | oh that's CDN, huh? never mind :P |
| 05:59.11 | Cairenn | Canadian is basically on par to American right now |
| 06:00.01 | cogwheel_ | oh wow... |
| 06:00.04 | cogwheel_ | we suck |
| 06:01.37 | Cairenn | yeah, that works out to about $332 USD |
| 06:02.22 | cogwheel_ | wtb gold standard |
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| 06:20.12 | Elyssah | hello everyone! |
| 06:21.05 | Elyssah | i'm having a problem with some xml, and i'm not sure how to fix it |
| 06:21.48 | Elyssah | you see, i added a button, however, i changed my mind and then removed it, but now the code, which worked before, won't display my frame |
| 06:23.10 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, was it worth it? |
| 06:24.25 | art3mis | wow nice cairenn |
| 06:26.37 | Elyssah | http://wowi.pastey.net/73525 |
| 06:27.00 | Elyssah | i made a pastey, would someone mind looking it over and helping me figure why my frame isn't showing? |
| 06:27.26 | Elyssah | my close button is closing my big frame, but my little frame isn't appearing |
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| 06:35.51 | Elyssah | ah.. i fixed it myself |
| 06:35.56 | Elyssah | yay |
| 06:36.07 | Thunder_Child | wow..i just added 18,850 files to windows media center....i'm so waiting for vista to crash |
| 06:45.32 | Thunder_Child | bingo, took less than 10 min to crash it |
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| 06:55.24 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/merchant.png |
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| 08:28.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | if u creae a fame using CreateFrame() thne is it default to hidden or shown ? |
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| 09:06.07 | Elyssah | umm... i dunno |
| 09:06.22 | Elyssah | i would think that it would be visible |
| 09:06.33 | Elyssah | but then again, i'm a noob |
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| 09:12.47 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 09:21.20 | Chaotic_D | art3mis: that is beautiful, and I would like to make love to you. |
| 09:40.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | well it is indeed created visable i just had a wrong texture :P |
| 09:40.55 | Chaotic_D | -_-; |
| 09:41.45 | Chaotic_D | what's the proper name for quadrillion. is that it? million, billion, trillion, quadrillion? |
| 09:42.17 | [Ammo] | gazillion! |
| 09:42.20 | Chaotic_D | apparently there are ~95.4 quadrillion possible names on WoW. |
| 09:42.22 | [Ammo] | *j/k* |
| 09:45.08 | Chaotic_D | I was curious how the name breakdown went, but I guess that would be a hell of a lot of data. |
| 09:45.27 | Chaotic_D | like what are the most common and uncommon names. |
| 09:47.02 | Chaotic_D | crazy numbers with e in them... |
| 09:48.16 | Chaotic_D | how do I display that normally? |
| 09:48.27 | Chaotic_D | The fact is that, when you use a double to represent an integer, there is no rounding error at all (unless the number is greater than 100,000,000,000,000) |
| 09:48.37 | Chaotic_D | and my number is. -_-; |
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| 10:13.53 | Chaotic_D | yup. ~95.4 quadrillion. I checked. |
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| 10:18.30 | sag_ich_nicht | so use double on a 64 bit machine, nub |
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| 10:33.17 | zenzelezz | doubles are available on 32-bit too you know |
| 10:39.55 | Chaotic_D | I noticed the name I picked has only one page in the Armory. woo! go me! |
| 10:40.12 | Kalroth | So you didn't pick Legolas? |
| 10:40.32 | Chaotic_D | oooh, I should see how many people picked that name. :> how many servers ARE there? |
| 10:41.05 | Chaotic_D | ... no results? what, do they not allow that name? |
| 10:41.48 | Chaotic_D | 88 Strongbad |
| 10:41.58 | Chaotic_D | only 2 poopsmith. |
| 10:43.46 | Chaotic_D | 92 Demona |
| 10:45.58 | Chaotic_D | I think 92 might be the maximum. |
| 10:48.57 | Chaotic_D | nope. 97 Ratchet. (Starscream and Megatron also seem to be restricted) |
| 10:49.38 | Chaotic_D | WTF am I doing awake? |
| 10:54.53 | sag_ich_nicht | someone with the current PTR client installed here? |
| 10:55.19 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:33] <zenzelezz> doubles are available on 32-bit too you know <--doubles are smaller on 32 bit than on 64 bit, you know |
| 10:57.01 | zenzelezz | no, they're still 8 bytes |
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| 11:03.43 | sag_ich_nicht | wait i was confused, i was thinking of double precision floats |
| 11:04.44 | zenzelezz | assuming you're speaking C++ type variables, a float is a 32-bit floating point number, double is a 64-bit floating point number, and a long double is in theory an 80-bit floating point number, although many compilers don't support the last one |
| 11:07.46 | zenzelezz | how exactly they're implemented I don't know; and I wouldn't be surprised if a double's actual precision isn't as good on 32-bit as on 64-bit OSes/hardware, but in theory it's still 64-bit |
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| 11:25.06 | sag_ich_nicht | okay i'm wrong, but this is specific to x86-64, technicially it would be possible to get 128 bit with double on a x86-64 but instead you get 2 double in the same time, kind of dumb imho |
| 11:25.22 | sag_ich_nicht | also, wasn't double long 82 bit and not 80 bit? |
| 11:26.29 | nevcairiel | its 64+16 |
| 11:26.32 | nevcairiel | =80 |
| 11:26.35 | sag_ich_nicht | k |
| 11:27.15 | sag_ich_nicht | then i confused it with the itanium native float which is 82 bit but normalized down to 64 bit |
| 11:27.34 | sag_ich_nicht | wasn't sure anymore been a long time >< |
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| 14:13.12 | zenzelezz | I really don't get why they use famous people in commercials, everyone knows they're just doing it for the money anyway |
| 14:13.28 | zenzelezz | "Oh wow, Thierry Henry uses that razor? It must be SO GOOD" |
| 14:14.07 | Lopeppeppy | At least people will pause to watch a commercial with someone famous, just to see what they're doing/saying. Mostly, people channel-surf over commercials in today's world. |
| 14:14.10 | bleeter | coz it works |
| 14:14.40 | alestane | QFT Peppy. |
| 14:15.13 | alestane | It's not persuasion, it's an attention mechanism...which is what 90% of advertising is in today's media. |
| 14:15.17 | zenzelezz | I must be different then, any sign of someone famous in an ad make me switch channel |
| 14:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | That's why they've started doing commercials at the movies -- because the audience there is guaranteed, while television commercials have lost their effective power in advertising. |
| 14:15.42 | bleeter | I need a razor, market's not got my regular.. oh look, there's the one that git Henry was advertising *purchase* |
| 14:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Unless it's for telling me when the next football game airs.... I like those commericals. |
| 14:15.59 | bleeter | associative... something or other. can't recall the name of the 'technique' |
| 14:16.15 | bleeter | I prefer ads with boobies |
| 14:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | I understand, bleeter. Many of those who enjoy boobies prefer ads that feature them. |
| 14:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Even I can appreciate a good advertising campaign that's "dressed up" as I like to see. :) |
| 14:17.03 | sag_ich_nicht | real men use a straight razor. |
| 14:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | Real men get electrolysis so they don't have stubble. |
| 14:17.23 | Osagasu | No... |
| 14:17.27 | Osagasu | Real men don't shave. |
| 14:17.28 | Osagasu | :) |
| 14:17.40 | sag_ich_nicht | real men code in fortran. |
| 14:17.44 | Osagasu | Ouch. |
| 14:17.51 | zenzelezz | that's interesting peppy, I know a number of girls who (for reasons unknown to me) like that stubble |
| 14:18.39 | Osagasu | Same reason some like beards and moustaches? They tickle? *shrug* |
| 14:20.17 | bleeter | real men use small sharpened stones to shave |
| 14:20.24 | bleeter | and leave it rough 'n ready, like |
| 14:20.50 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: real coders do it in a hex editor :P |
| 14:20.58 | zenzelezz | real men don't get chicks |
| 14:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz - "reasons unknown" is about it. Those of us with nerve cells in our skin tend to prefer smooth. |
| 14:21.04 | cogwheel | Real men play WSG as alliance all day... :| |
| 14:21.09 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|zZz: morning! |
| 14:21.24 | bleeter | someome kick cogwheel, he's had a mental breakdown! |
| 14:21.33 | Osagasu | cog: unless they're in the 19/29 bracket on my BG. Alliance ALWAYS wins WSG |
| 14:21.38 | alestane | No, he's right, that's an endurance test. |
| 14:21.56 | cogwheel | Osagasu: your battlegroup is bass-ackwards then |
| 14:21.59 | bleeter | sounds more like an insanity test to me :P |
| 14:22.09 | Osagasu | Yes it is. |
| 14:22.52 | Osagasu | My battlegroup has nevt to no horde twinks is all |
| 14:22.56 | Osagasu | **next |
| 14:23.05 | Osagasu | Excluding the 59 ones... -.- |
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| 14:25.33 | alestane | Osagasu: Is it coincidence that your nick means "looking for" in Japanese? |
| 14:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, TS|Skrom |
| 14:26.39 | Osagasu | No, it isn't. |
| 14:27.10 | alestane | <.jp> demo nani o? |
| 14:27.37 | Osagasu | And I don't speak japanese. It was a bit of a nickname given to me a few years back. |
| 14:27.48 | alestane | Oh, ok. |
| 14:28.21 | alestane | Were you always looking for something? |
| 14:28.54 | Kalroth | lol |
| 14:28.57 | ts|skrom | hihi |
| 14:29.03 | Osagasu | Something like that. |
| 14:29.30 | cogwheel | am i just hallucinating or is do people always attack the warrior when the have a choice? :( |
| 14:29.38 | cogwheel | s/is // |
| 14:30.22 | alestane | You'd think they'd go after mages and other high-damage/low-endurance types. |
| 14:30.31 | Osagasu | Everyone says that about their class. |
| 14:30.51 | Osagasu | So yeah, you're hallucinating. |
| 14:31.06 | cogwheel | Osagasu: that's what i was figuring |
| 14:31.30 | alestane | On the other hand, many warriors suffer from "Once I'm rooted/frozen I'm friggin' helpless" syndrome (and yes, I know you may be playing a gnome). |
| 14:32.05 | cogwheel | i'm a gnome *and* i have the alliance insignia |
| 14:32.38 | Osagasu | Yeah, he's cogwheel. The only gnome that doesn't deseve a violent death. |
| 14:32.47 | Osagasu | Well, him and his wife, because I wouldn't want to seperate them. |
| 14:32.57 | cogwheel | but between the cooldowns and the sheer number of imobilizing effects, they're just not that worth it |
| 14:33.34 | alestane | Like WotF: Warlock: FEAR! Undead: I don't THINK so! Warlock: Fear AGAIN! |
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| 14:34.02 | Osagasu | Then after that... DEATH COIL! |
| 14:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | The number of ways to get out of CC is limited. The mana pool to cast CC... not so limited. |
| 14:35.11 | bleeter | Nom-, Wobin et al Aussies: I've found what amuses the Oceanic realms tonight in /trade ... 'WTB: [Aussie Police Force] with [Sense of Humour] enchant' |
| 14:35.21 | alestane | Well, for me it's usually Death Coil, then Fear, but that's because I'm playing a 'lock against a rogue and that's my only hope for survival. |
| 14:36.01 | alestane | Otherwise, by the time the sheap shot and kidney shot wear off, I'm already dead. |
| 14:36.08 | alestane | s/sheap/cheap/ |
| 14:37.12 | Osagasu | hm... |
| 14:37.21 | Osagasu | a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a |
| 14:37.24 | Osagasu | s/a/b/ |
| 14:37.31 | Osagasu | Aw. |
| 14:38.02 | alestane | I don't PvP much these days anyway. |
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| 14:42.33 | bleeter | Nom-, Wobin et al Aussies: WTS: [Jerk of a PM] is going down nicely too ;) |
| 14:43.15 | bleeter | I'm so bad when I leave my mains who live on RP realms :/ |
| 14:45.08 | Osagasu | I've left my three 70s for a while. =\ |
| 14:45.27 | Osagasu | hn... |
| 14:45.28 | Osagasu | a a a a a |
| 14:45.36 | Osagasu | s/a/b/a/b/a/b/a/b |
| 14:46.06 | Osagasu | s/a/b/a/b/a/b/a/b/ |
| 14:46.12 | bleeter | a a a a a |
| 14:46.15 | bleeter | s/a/b/g |
| 14:46.20 | alestane | You missed a trailing / (no promises that that'll make it work) |
| 14:46.33 | Osagasu | What's the g mean? |
| 14:46.37 | bleeter | global |
| 14:47.03 | bleeter | at least, I think... dunno for sure... certainly the result ;) |
| 14:51.31 | Osagasu | a a a a a |
| 14:51.44 | Osagasu | s/a/b/a/c/a/d/a/e/ |
| 14:51.49 | Osagasu | Nope |
| 14:53.03 | sag_ich_nicht | a a a a a |
| 14:53.04 | sag_ich_nicht | s/a a a a a a/a b c d e/ |
| 14:53.21 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, wait. |
| 14:53.28 | sag_ich_nicht | a a a a a |
| 14:53.34 | sag_ich_nicht | s/a a a a a/a b c d e/ |
| 14:53.40 | sag_ich_nicht | noobs. |
| 14:53.46 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 15:15.46 | bleeter | what's the bet the Scourge Invasion will return for the moving of Naxx? |
| 15:15.59 | bleeter | WTB: [More big ingame events] |
| 15:17.50 | alestane | Will Naxx be heading off to Northrend or something? |
| 15:18.21 | bleeter | yeah |
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| 15:26.24 | Shirik | woot |
| 15:26.31 | Shirik | first piece of primal mooncloth gear done |
| 15:27.53 | cogwheel | they've hinted that it might... |
| 15:28.34 | bleeter | they said the invasion would re-happen, just ocurred to me it'd be the obvious time to do it |
| 15:28.58 | bleeter | this was right after wishing Kruul would turn up and hit Topper McNabb lots |
| 15:31.48 | amro | man I hate BRD |
| 15:32.10 | cogwheel | I think in the next patch they should change the alliance flag pickup message to "The Horde flag was picked up in vain by Soandso" |
| 15:32.21 | alestane | I like the dungeon itself, but I don't usually like the groups I manage get together for it. |
| 15:32.33 | amro | that's why the dungeon sucks |
| 15:32.40 | amro | 99% end up disbanding |
| 15:32.46 | alestane | cogwheel: I'm sure you could change whichever variable is loaded by GlobalStrings.lua. |
| 15:33.28 | bleeter | is there a reason to still do BRD these days apart from a couple of recipes? |
| 15:33.29 | alestane | amro: Of course, it used to e you'd do two pulls and then one person would start whining "Can we do Jailbreak?" And by the time you did that everyone was ready to quit. |
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| 15:33.56 | bleeter | argh, memories... thx alestane :/ :P |
| 15:33.57 | ts|skrom | bleeter I do it because with a good group it's just alot of fun |
| 15:34.25 | cogwheel | zomgmoltencoreattunemnt |
| 15:34.39 | alestane | bleeter: Since noone seems to give a damn about MC or Ony any more, not so much unless you like the dungeon itself. If you have a guild with enough people who have alts that level it' |
| 15:34.40 | ts|skrom | for tru |
| 15:34.47 | alestane | ...it's a bunch of fun. |
| 15:35.31 | ts|skrom | for people like me who like to have fun during ALL aspects of play and don't just rush to BC... it's still quite enjoyable :P |
| 15:36.06 | Kaydeethree | bah. forgot to run diffs yesterday |
| 15:36.18 | ts|skrom | ~lart Kaydeethree |
| 15:36.18 | purl | hereby declares Kaydeethree a troll |
| 15:36.24 | Kaydeethree | latest PTR difss up. current: 7214. http://spyglass-server.com/wowints |
| 15:36.30 | Kaydeethree | s/difss/diffs/ |
| 15:37.00 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom, I agree. I love the "old" instances just as much as the new things, I'm in no rush to hit 58 and go to Outlands. |
| 15:37.31 | bleeter | it was more a question of, say, a class quest need, or similar in there. |
| 15:37.48 | bleeter | I wasn't denying that with a good group it can be a lot of fun and so forth |
| 15:37.49 | alestane | Well, there's the .5 armor set quest. |
| 15:38.04 | bleeter | just been so long since I've been through that level range, can't recall |
| 15:38.22 | bleeter | though half my alts will be getting there.. prolly by end of year |
| 15:38.36 | alestane | I went back to the BRD arena at 70 just to get my damn 4-piece deathmist bonus. |
| 15:38.48 | alestane | Even if I'll probably never wear it. |
| 15:39.02 | alestane | But I had so much time invested in that project it had to be finished. |
| 15:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | There are no class quests in BRD that I know of, or "hot" gear beyond the recipes you can pick up. It was always, for me, a dungeon on the way to attunement. |
| 15:39.30 | ts|skrom | there is some nice stuff there but not if you are in the rush to bc mode |
| 15:39.48 | ts|skrom | it's the first place you can start to pick up decent +heal/damage for one |
| 15:41.05 | Lopeppeppy | True, Rocky the Rock Rumbler has a nice set of paladin shoulders that I enjoyed. |
| 15:41.23 | Cidan | I dislike Burning Crusade |
| 15:41.32 | Cidan | I really do. |
| 15:41.32 | ts|skrom | I know I for one can't wait to get the Ragefury Eyepatch on my druid |
| 15:42.05 | Josh_Borke | i look forward to the day they modify the lvling curve for 1-50 |
| 15:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | There's a lot about it that I dislike as well, Cidan. |
| 15:42.17 | alestane | I've noticed that the level 60 stuff is slowly regaining a little popularity as the rush for outland wears off. |
| 15:43.34 | Lopeppeppy | ZG sees runs still for the enchants from the idols, but with the recipes from AQ coming to reputation vendors soon... they might as well just delete half of the instance files from the game. |
| 15:43.38 | Cidan | Most of the instances are bland. The idea of "winged" areas are nice -- but shouldn't be used almost every single time. It worked well for SM because it made sense, but less so for coilfang (which is horrible anyways, I will never ever go there again) |
| 15:44.14 | Josh_Borke | winged instances made it so that you didn't have to spend 4 hours in a single dungeon |
| 15:44.17 | Josh_Borke | ie brd |
| 15:44.26 | Josh_Borke | imagine if BRD was a winged instance, how much easier it would be |
| 15:44.33 | Cidan | I would rather do BRD than do Coilfang |
| 15:44.37 | ts|skrom | yeah brd is an example of an instance that needed to be winged hehe |
| 15:44.37 | alestane | BRD is actually designed that way. |
| 15:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | True that.... |
| 15:44.56 | alestane | Designed so that once you've made it to a certain point you can skip that part next time. |
| 15:45.02 | Josh_Borke | yea, but no one ever does that |
| 15:45.10 | Josh_Borke | because once you're there, you might as well do it all |
| 15:45.15 | ts|skrom | I can't count how many times i've run brd in a pug when people would finish with say... Incendius and say, "well thanks for the run" "wait, what about emperor?" "huh?" |
| 15:45.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 15:45.31 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:45.36 | alestane | The other issue with BRD is that even for an old-school instance it's HUGE. |
| 15:46.09 | Kaydeethree | I always got lost in BRD |
| 15:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | I still do. |
| 15:46.16 | alestane | And of course, there's the fact that I've never in two years run in a group with anyone who understands how the bar encounter is actually supposed to be done. |
| 15:46.16 | Josh_Borke | it's possible to make non-winged winged instances |
| 15:46.20 | Cidan | It's not that bad |
| 15:46.22 | Lopeppeppy | I can navigate sunken temple, but not BRD |
| 15:46.26 | Cidan | Blackfathom is the best |
| 15:46.33 | Cidan | I loveeeeee Blackfathom. |
| 15:46.36 | ts|skrom | alestane lol yeah |
| 15:46.38 | Kaydeethree | but how many people actually ran BFD? 6? |
| 15:46.39 | Josh_Borke | blackfathom is nice |
| 15:46.42 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:46.49 | Josh_Borke | i also really liked SFK |
| 15:46.55 | alestane | SFK is really cool. |
| 15:46.55 | Cidan | SFK was nice too |
| 15:46.58 | ts|skrom | I have bad memories of BFD |
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| 15:47.10 | Kaydeethree | I ran it once, had a 60 friend power me through it |
| 15:47.16 | Kaydeethree | because he had never run it before either |
| 15:47.18 | Cidan | ST was overkill, I did it so much from level 52->58 or so |
| 15:47.18 | ts|skrom | something about being raped by giant turtles... four candles... I don't know it gets hazy |
| 15:47.29 | Josh_Borke | lol skrom |
| 15:47.50 | alestane | You really have to do ST once around level 52. |
| 15:48.08 | ts|skrom | the only reason the class quests take you there is so you'll go |
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| 15:48.18 | ts|skrom | other then that ST can suck it |
| 15:48.57 | Cidan | does anyone even do ZG anymore? |
| 15:49.35 | ts|skrom | ST is like really good if you are a priest or for some reason don't have a crappy blue weapon at this point in your career |
| 15:49.40 | ts|skrom | otherwise sucks t be you |
| 15:49.52 | Cidan | man, WoW was so much better before BC, >:( |
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| 15:50.06 | ts|skrom | I love zg :-/ |
| 15:50.11 | ts|skrom | I did an aq20 pug the other day |
| 15:50.31 | ts|skrom | everyone dogpiled on top of kurinaxx |
| 15:50.32 | ts|skrom | I cried |
| 15:50.43 | Cidan | <3 AQ20, lead that many mant times |
| 15:50.56 | bleeter | +RATINGS_TEXT = "The text of the new improved and really really cool Korean Ratings go in this string. -Tom Thompson"; |
| 15:51.16 | bleeter | thanks Kaydeethree, I needed that giggle ;) |
| 15:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | I loved ZG and AQ20, but my half-group never got past like the 4th boss in AQ20. |
| 15:51.31 | Kaydeethree | heh |
| 15:51.39 | ts|skrom | the one you have to mana drain is tough |
| 15:51.43 | ts|skrom | that's where the pug wiped |
| 15:51.48 | Kaydeethree | moam != easy |
| 15:51.49 | ts|skrom | moam? |
| 15:51.51 | ts|skrom | yeah |
| 15:51.59 | Cidan | Er... Moam is pretty easy |
| 15:52.03 | alestane | How many 70s does it take to do AQ20? |
| 15:52.14 | Cidan | 10 maybe? |
| 15:52.14 | ts|skrom | Here's the setup... We had 2 warlocks 0 priests... |
| 15:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Moam is where we got stuck, we couldn't get a consistent group to have any consistent strategy. |
| 15:52.35 | ts|skrom | We were flying HIIIGGGHHH |
| 15:52.55 | alestane | We'd go into AQ20, and the RL would go, "Hey, we have three 'locks tonight, we should try Moam!" |
| 15:53.14 | ts|skrom | We had maybe 5 hunters and no one tried a viper sting |
| 15:53.25 | ts|skrom | dunno maybe he's immune |
| 15:53.31 | alestane | It would be easier for me now with FocusFrame and the debuff time display. |
| 15:53.59 | ts|skrom | I survived the first toss up with divine shield but still had forebearance when the second one came :-/ |
| 15:55.23 | ts|skrom | I've done a few MC pugs lately too on my pally. We always take Luci and Mag then the raid seems to collectively stick its head up its bum for gehennas |
| 15:56.03 | ts|skrom | about that time all the frat boys start off with the "hurrr we should go do kara! hurrrr" |
| 15:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | I forget... Gehennas is the one with the arcan thingie, with the melee all standing back and shooting with bows and guns, right? |
| 15:56.26 | alestane | Yes |
| 15:56.29 | ts|skrom | no |
| 15:56.31 | alestane | The second salamander |
| 15:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he was always fun. |
| 15:57.16 | ts|skrom | I think you are thinking of Shazzrah lope |
| 15:57.29 | alestane | Lucifron, Magamdar, Gehennas, Garr, Shazrah, Geddon, Harbinger, that giant, and Majordomo Exectus. |
| 15:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | Well then, was is Gehennas' little schtick? What's he do, I forget. |
| 15:58.00 | alestane | Gehennas is a little like that too, but yeah, your description sounds more like Shazzrah. |
| 15:58.36 | alestane | Gehennas does some other sick AoE/LoS stuff, they were always trying to keep Gehennas on the other side of the pillars from the squishies. |
| 15:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not sounding familiar, alestane... unless Gehennas did the Rain of Fire? |
| 15:59.13 | alestane | I think so, and there was this curse thingie. |
| 15:59.19 | alestane | Been a long time. |
| 15:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, now I remember him. We used Restorative potions and just danced around the joint to avoid the Rain. |
| 15:59.47 | ts|skrom | Gehenneas did the rain of fire |
| 15:59.54 | ts|skrom | and had the curse that made healing do like 25% |
| 16:00.03 | Lopeppeppy | I hated that curse as a paladin. |
| 16:00.11 | alestane | Gehennas is the one who's standing in the hallway on the way to Garr. |
| 16:00.20 | ts|skrom | Yes |
| 16:00.22 | kadrahil | Dotdotgoose is taken on my server :( |
| 16:00.23 | ts|skrom | with two buddies |
| 16:00.32 | cladhaire | Anyone here have a decent memory usage in wow, specifically increasing memory usage regularly want to test an addon for me>? |
| 16:00.52 | ts|skrom | he's the jerk off who liked to drop lawbringer for my horde guild |
| 16:02.36 | Cidan | cladhaire, sup? |
| 16:03.04 | cladhaire | I asked if anyone has a reasonable increasing memory rate in wow, or has seen memory issues that wants to try out an addon for me. |
| 16:03.13 | cladhaire | additionally, if you have an absurdly high FPS (60+) i'd like you try to it as well |
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| 16:03.34 | Cidan | I have both, :D |
| 16:04.51 | cladhaire | have wow available to test this? |
| 16:05.42 | cladhaire | if so, download this and test it out. commands are /gct |
| 16:05.42 | cladhaire | http://files.gammatester.com/5c6ec5476413bf2255903699c670ccc5.zip |
| 16:06.33 | Cidan | Okie dokie, give me a second. |
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| 16:08.21 | Cidan | Okay, I have debugging enabled. |
| 16:08.49 | cladhaire | all that does is tell you if a step by GCT completes the cycle. |
| 16:09.01 | cladhaire | just test to see if it has an effect on your FPS |
| 16:09.07 | cladhaire | or more importantly, your increasing memory usage |
| 16:13.02 | Cidan | No real change to either, enabled or disabled |
| 16:13.07 | Cidan | under load and not under load |
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| 16:15.27 | cogwheel | wsg isn't fun with 6 warriors 2 rogues a hunter and a shaman :\ |
| 16:15.42 | cogwheel | and 700ms ping :\ |
| 16:15.57 | Cidan | well |
| 16:16.05 | Cidan | wow |
| 16:16.15 | Cidan | it did in fact clear up a lot more memory than normal |
| 16:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am really, really not happy with my work server at this point. *grump* It keeps not working. Anyone have a hammer. |
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| 16:20.42 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 16:20.46 | Wobin_ | 60% white damage |
| 16:21.01 | Wobin_ | 20% Shiv |
| 16:21.07 | Wobin_ | Sinister Strike? What's that? |
| 16:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | It's a kind of apple. |
| 16:21.51 | Wobin_ | Greeny yellow? |
| 16:21.57 | Wobin_ | tart taste |
| 16:22.00 | Wobin_ | but powdery? |
| 16:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 16:22.07 | Wobin_ | Aha |
| 16:22.18 | Lopeppeppy | Only powdery if you let them get over-ripe. Try picking them an energy tick sooner. |
| 16:22.23 | Wobin_ | gotcha |
| 16:22.33 | ts|skrom | O.o |
| 16:22.52 | Lopeppeppy | See? Tastes better that way. |
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| 16:24.19 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 16:24.30 | Wobin_ | is there a weapon speed glove enchant better than Minor Haste? |
| 16:24.39 | [dRaCo] | not afaik |
| 16:25.32 | Wobin_ | otherwise mongoose, yeah? |
| 16:25.47 | Wobin_ | for weapon haste |
| 16:26.08 | [dRaCo] | except for it not being a glove enchant, yes ;) |
| 16:26.31 | Wobin_ | well yes =) |
| 16:26.34 | Wobin_ | thus 'otherwise' =) |
| 16:26.46 | Wobin_ | in the sense of 'other' |
| 16:27.11 | [dRaCo] | aight, you win. :) |
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| 16:27.20 | Wobin_ | ;) |
| 16:29.24 | Cidan | cladhaire, After using it for a while, it works well. |
| 16:29.27 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/merchant.png |
| 16:29.33 | Cidan | cladhaire, My memory usage stays lower at all times |
| 16:29.39 | cladhaire | than without it? |
| 16:29.56 | Cidan | Yes. |
| 16:30.05 | cladhaire | have any numbers by any chance? |
| 16:30.13 | Cidan | I shall collect some in a second |
| 16:30.14 | Wobin_ | art3mis: I dunno about the black |
| 16:30.15 | alestane | art3mis: That is physically painful to look at. |
| 16:30.31 | Kaydeethree | gack |
| 16:30.33 | cladhaire | art3mis: any word on the ipaq? |
| 16:30.39 | Wobin_ | art3mis: can't you make it brighter, instead of the standard black colour? |
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| 16:35.15 | art3mis | make what brighter? |
| 16:36.04 | art3mis | cladhaire: not yet, ill pester him today since its time sensetive |
| 16:36.12 | cladhaire | ok |
| 16:36.37 | art3mis | Wobin_: you've got wowace svn access right? |
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| 16:37.23 | art3mis | i left those blackened/shaded backgrounds alone cuz some colour settings are REALLY hard to see on bright mint green ;P |
| 16:40.19 | Cidan | I started at 12:35:29 with 29.8 MiB usage, then increased by 6.8 KiB/s 'til 12:37:40 when I peaked at 30.4 |
| 16:40.19 | Cidan | , at which point the GC kicked in, and I was back down to 29.8 |
| 16:40.22 | Cidan | :D |
| 16:40.40 | Cidan | Framerate was an avg of about 70 FPS at all times |
| 16:41.47 | cladhaire | okay |
| 16:42.59 | Cidan | Well, let me correct my self, Just as the GC hit the peak of collection, my framerate dipped for about 1 1/2 seconds to 58 or so. |
| 16:44.53 | Wobin_ | art3mis: aye |
| 16:45.13 | cladhaire | hrm okay |
| 16:45.21 | cladhaire | i know what the issue is, just trying to get it all figured out |
| 16:47.59 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 16:48.05 | Wobin_ | Pattern: Netherdrake Gloves |
| 16:48.08 | Wobin_ | learn or sell? |
| 16:48.14 | zenzelezz | the best part about doing the Skettis escort quest as a prot spec warrior is that all DPS around feels the need to help because I'm so slow |
| 16:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | The worst part about the Skittle escort quest is figuring out where he spawned.... |
| 16:48.52 | zenzelezz | easy enough if you're on a high-pop realm, just pick a spawn and wait a few minutes |
| 16:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | I've waited for him for 25 minutes before (was reading a book), he doesn't always circulate well. Not a social butterfly type. |
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| 16:49.54 | Wobin_ | anyone? |
| 16:50.36 | zenzelezz | not a leatherworker, so no idea |
| 16:51.25 | cladhaire | hfrm |
| 16:51.26 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:51.31 | cladhaire | how to test this GC magic |
| 16:51.37 | Wobin_ | with more magic? |
| 16:52.03 | Cidan | write data collection code into the GC |
| 16:52.17 | cladhaire | that muddles the actual issue tho |
| 16:52.27 | cladhaire | and there's no way to know that a GC cycle has completed, unless you're calling step yourself |
| 16:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Fun times, I missed a bomb threat at work. I love working from home, sometimes.... |
| 16:54.21 | Cidan | nothing similar to sizeof in lua? |
| 16:54.51 | cladhaire | well, that's not really the problem |
| 17:01.14 | Cidan | Then what is, if you don't mind me asking. |
| 17:01.41 | cladhaire | one moment, let me do some more testing :P |
| 17:01.59 | cladhaire | it may be time for another post :P |
| 17:02.11 | cladhaire | a follow up to my 5.0 > 5.1 thread |
| 17:02.16 | cladhaire | highlighting the new issues. |
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| 17:04.01 | cladhaire | holy shit lol |
| 17:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese. |
| 17:04.34 | Cidan | Cheese eh? |
| 17:04.36 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 17:04.42 | Cidan | I do enjoy cheese... |
| 17:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | "Cheese, I just love cheese! Really I do." *Southern Belle Mouse* |
| 17:06.37 | cladhaire | Here's the basic process.. the lua virtual machine only runs a garbage collection step when new memory is allocated, such as a table, closure, coroutine, etc. At these times, the LuaL_checkGC function is called, which (if the GC isn't paused, or not at threshold) runs a step collect. |
| 17:07.26 | Wobin_ | norgs: with the slider bars in Appraiser, can you allow for mousescrolling to move it? Having a granularity of 200 makes it hard to put up anything less than a full stack |
| 17:07.36 | cladhaire | In short, if you have a burst that generates a lot of garbage, that can't be deallocated yet because its in use, then it all gets released you'll have a chunk of garbage sitting there, that has to wait to be deallocated. |
| 17:07.51 | Cidan | I see. |
| 17:07.55 | cladhaire | If you then drop to a lower load, the system won't be allocating enough to finish the GC cycle in time. |
| 17:08.42 | cladhaire | what this addon does, is run a step collect based on your framerate. Ideally before I release it, it will only run the step collect when you aren't in combat |
| 17:09.07 | cladhaire | that way when you exit combat, it'll run steps to catch you up, as long as you have a sufficient frame rate |
| 17:09.27 | Polarina | ENTER_COMBAT = collectgarbage("stop"); LEAVING_COMBAT = collectgarbage("restart") |
| 17:09.38 | cladhaire | no. |
| 17:09.42 | cladhaire | that's not the issue at all. |
| 17:09.46 | cladhaire | and has no relevance |
| 17:10.36 | cladhaire | that would make the problem _much_ worse |
| 17:10.39 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 17:11.06 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 17:11.42 | Cidan | Perhaps write another option and/or addon that increases memory usage on purpose? |
| 17:11.49 | Cidan | say with a given commad, or trigger? |
| 17:11.49 | cladhaire | i have that |
| 17:11.55 | cladhaire | well you don't want/need that |
| 17:12.04 | cladhaire | if you wanted that, you can just collectgarbage("collect") |
| 17:12.53 | Cidan | I mean something like /garbage 1.2, and have it increase at ~1.2/sec |
| 17:12.55 | Cidan | and so on. |
| 17:13.01 | Cidan | But whatever, I see your problem though. |
| 17:13.09 | cladhaire | well this solves it |
| 17:13.15 | cladhaire | and with a bit more tweaking it'll be generally usable too |
| 17:13.24 | cladhaire | just a few more tests :P |
| 17:13.37 | Cidan | O-tay. Well, if you need me, ping me. |
| 17:13.45 | cladhaire | will do :P |
| 17:17.02 | cladhaire | Polarina: to see why that's a bad idea, create 1e5 tables when the garbage collector is active, and then turn it off, and create 1e5 tables.. You end up using almost twice the amount of memory. |
| 17:17.50 | alestane | "1e5"? |
| 17:18.00 | cladhaire | lua> 1e5 |
| 17:18.00 | cladbot | cladhaire: 100000 |
| 17:18.02 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:18.31 | alestane | Ah...SciNot. |
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| 17:19.16 | JoshBorke | say you love me always forever |
| 17:19.19 | JoshBorke | near and far we'll be together |
| 17:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Everywhere and everything? |
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| 17:19.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
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| 17:20.43 | cladhaire | Cidan: i have a new version now that will only do anything out of combat |
| 17:20.52 | Cidan | Link |
| 17:20.54 | alestane | JoshBorke: You're just a glutton for punishment, aren't you? |
| 17:20.58 | sioraiocht | lua> print(print(4+5)) |
| 17:20.58 | cladbot | sioraiocht: 9 |
| 17:21.07 | zenzelezz | for those of you who didn't already catch the Bush vs. Zombies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY |
| 17:21.21 | cladhaire | Cidan: eew |
| 17:21.25 | sioraiocht | lua> print(type(print(4+5)) |
| 17:21.25 | cladbot | sioraiocht: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "print(type(print(4+5))"]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 17:21.30 | JoshBorke | what is this thing that only does out of combat? |
| 17:21.30 | sioraiocht | lua> print(type(print(4+5))) |
| 17:21.31 | cladbot | sioraiocht: 9, [string "print(type(print(4+5)))"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 17:21.33 | Cidan | ewww? |
| 17:21.33 | JoshBorke | alestane: always |
| 17:21.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope GWB becomes an actor after he leaves office |
| 17:21.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | or a comedian or something |
| 17:21.39 | sioraiocht | ? |
| 17:21.40 | Cidan | :D |
| 17:21.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope he doesn't just fade away D: |
| 17:21.55 | JoshBorke | lua> function b() return end; print(type(b())) |
| 17:21.55 | cladbot | JoshBorke: [string "function b() return end; print(type(b()))"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 17:22.00 | alestane | Mr_Rabies: Backwards from the way they usually do it, like Reagan? |
| 17:22.02 | JoshBorke | lua> function b() return nil end; print(type(b())) |
| 17:22.02 | cladbot | JoshBorke: nil |
| 17:22.07 | JoshBorke | lua> function b() end; print(type(b())) |
| 17:22.07 | cladbot | JoshBorke: [string "function b() end; print(type(b()))"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 17:22.10 | sioraiocht | why doesn't that work? |
| 17:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's a great guy, even if his political decisions aren't always the greatest :x |
| 17:22.18 | JoshBorke | sioraiocht: because the function doesn't return anything |
| 17:22.19 | amro | Mr_Rabies2: isn't he already a comedian? unintentionally? |
| 17:22.33 | sioraiocht | lua> x = print(4+5) print(x) |
| 17:22.33 | cladbot | sioraiocht: 9, nil |
| 17:22.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | amro, he seems really nervous when he does speeches now or something |
| 17:22.50 | sioraiocht | JoshBorke: shouldn't it's type be void or nil or SOMETHING then? |
| 17:22.51 | cladhaire | Cidan: http://files.gammatester.com/7dcc2e398346d3b4f3f9977fc6f1d3f9.zip |
| 17:23.00 | JoshBorke | sioraiocht: no |
| 17:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's some recordings of his speeches from about 10 years ago or so that were like a totally different person |
| 17:23.09 | cladhaire | lua> type(nil) |
| 17:23.09 | cladbot | cladhaire: nil, |
| 17:23.11 | cladhaire | lua> type() |
| 17:23.11 | cladbot | cladhaire: [string "type()"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 17:23.12 | Cidan | cladhaire, testing now. |
| 17:23.22 | sioraiocht | effing weak type system |
| 17:23.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | no stuttering, using large words, still making a joke every now and then, etc |
| 17:23.26 | Wobin_ | I think everyone gets a bit nervous when he does speeches =P |
| 17:23.31 | Thrae | lua> function b() end x = b() print(type(x)) |
| 17:23.31 | cladbot | Thrae: nil |
| 17:23.33 | cladhaire | Cidan: if you download PerfBlock from WoWInterface you can do some very interesting tests |
| 17:23.46 | Wobin_ | It's nice how he's here now |
| 17:23.51 | Wobin_ | speaking about 'OPEC' |
| 17:23.52 | Thrae | sioraiocht: You need to assign the return to a variable, as you see |
| 17:24.08 | Cidan | psh, all I have to do is open up some RDX pop up windows, *cackle* |
| 17:24.17 | alestane | JoshBorke: "return nil" and "return" are not the same. |
| 17:24.33 | Wobin_ | here in Sidney, no less |
| 17:24.36 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 17:24.43 | JoshBorke | alestane: i know |
| 17:25.41 | JoshBorke | lua> function x() return end; function y() return nil end; test1 = x(); test2 = y(); if not test1 and test1 ~= nil then print(test1) end |
| 17:25.42 | cladbot | JoshBorke: |
| 17:25.50 | JoshBorke | lua> function x() return end; function y() return nil end; test1 = x(); test2 = y(); if not test1 and test1 ~= nil then print(type(test1)) end |
| 17:25.50 | cladbot | JoshBorke: |
| 17:25.51 | Wobin_ | http://www.smh.com.au/news/apec/oops-dubya-picks-wrong-pec/2007/09/07/1188783457965.html |
| 17:25.55 | JoshBorke | interesting |
| 17:26.03 | JoshBorke | lua> function x() return end; function y() return nil end; test1 = x(); test2 = y(); if not test1 then print(type(test1)) end |
| 17:26.03 | cladbot | JoshBorke: nil |
| 17:26.10 | JoshBorke | lua> function x() return end; function y() return nil end; test1 = x(); test2 = y(); print(test1); if not test1 then print(type(test1)) end |
| 17:26.10 | cladbot | JoshBorke: nil, nil |
| 17:26.19 | JoshBorke | lua> function x() return end; function y() return nil end; test1 = x(); test2 = y(); print(type(test1)); if not test1 then print(type(test1)) end |
| 17:26.19 | cladbot | JoshBorke: nil, nil |
| 17:26.42 | Cidan | well |
| 17:27.02 | Cidan | no FPS drop, but the collection wasn't as aggressive. |
| 17:27.34 | Cidan | I started at 29.7, moved my self up to 30.6, but then only dropped to 30.1 |
| 17:28.09 | cladhaire | well you're using the wrong words :P |
| 17:28.14 | cladhaire | but thats okay |
| 17:28.15 | sioraiocht | Thrae: No, assigning it to a variable doesn't do anything, beacuse the value of ANY unassigned var is nil |
| 17:28.53 | cladhaire | you can't test with thresholds like that.. GC doesn't even kick in until 110% |
| 17:29.02 | Thrae | sioraiocht: It does for 99.99999999...% of cases, unless you specifically want to see if the function returns nil or returns nothing |
| 17:29.09 | cladhaire | download perfblock and I can give you some fun things to see/test :P |
| 17:29.37 | sioraiocht | lua> type(function() return nil end) |
| 17:29.38 | cladbot | sioraiocht: function, |
| 17:29.42 | Cidan | Trying now. |
| 17:29.53 | JoshBorke | checking for no returns is a bitch |
| 17:29.58 | cladhaire | here's the real test. |
| 17:30.01 | JoshBorke | why would you want to? |
| 17:30.05 | cladhaire | run /gct toggle |
| 17:30.20 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/16ba15f75c9360b093a88e22cbbd8f69.png |
| 17:30.23 | cladhaire | turning gct off |
| 17:30.35 | cladhaire | it will take you a VERY long time for your memory to drop down |
| 17:30.47 | cladhaire | i.e. 5 minutes i saw no decrease |
| 17:30.49 | sioraiocht | lua> type((function() return nil end)()) |
| 17:30.49 | cladbot | sioraiocht: nil, |
| 17:30.53 | cladhaire | however, if you turn gct on |
| 17:31.03 | cladhaire | and run the same code.. it will collect within say, 25 seconds. |
| 17:31.06 | JoshBorke | lua> type((function() end)()) |
| 17:31.06 | cladbot | JoshBorke: [string "type((function() end)())"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 17:31.07 | sioraiocht | that's incredibly irritating, lol |
| 17:31.15 | JoshBorke | sioraiocht: why does it matter? |
| 17:31.21 | cladhaire | cause he's a haskell guy :P |
| 17:31.24 | sioraiocht | shaddup |
| 17:31.25 | cladhaire | and it offends his sense of being |
| 17:31.39 | cladhaire | its just with c functions, really |
| 17:31.53 | cladhaire | because they draw a distinction between no value, and the nil value. |
| 17:32.33 | Cidan | you're right |
| 17:32.41 | JoshBorke | clad is never right |
| 17:32.41 | Cidan | collection does not happen as quickly with gct off |
| 17:32.44 | JoshBorke | ;-) sioraiocht |
| 17:32.49 | cladhaire | it will take forever |
| 17:32.55 | cladhaire | unless you force a lot of objects to be allocated |
| 17:33.00 | cladhaire | for some value of forever |
| 17:33.19 | cladhaire | watching it with gct on is fun tho.. seeing it start to collect some things, and then BAM -100k a second |
| 17:34.21 | Wobin_ | O.O |
| 17:34.22 | Lopeppeppy | I need to muck with my net connection. Y'all take care!! |
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| 17:34.26 | Wobin_ | Mithril Spurs for 25g? |
| 17:34.29 | Wobin_ | wtf people? |
| 17:34.35 | JoshBorke | Wobin_: lol, no one wants it anymore |
| 17:34.36 | Cidan | works well |
| 17:34.43 | Cidan | No frame drop either. |
| 17:34.53 | cladhaire | okay, i'm going to shower. |
| 17:34.55 | cladhaire | yeah, because of the GCSTEP setting |
| 17:34.57 | cladhaire | i'll post on the forums with my findings in a bit. |
| 17:35.02 | cladhaire | give people stuff they can test with |
| 17:35.05 | cladhaire | using PerfBlock cause its sexy :P |
| 17:36.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:36.55 | JoshBorke | perfblock blows! |
| 17:53.20 | alestane | I wonder if there would be any point in designing a sort of "shell addon", into which you could paste short snippets of code to be run at load time withotu giving them their own TOCs. |
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| 17:57.54 | cogwheel | alestane: LuaSlinger can do that |
| 17:58.17 | cogwheel | you can set up to 40 scripts of 7000 bytes to run at any event |
| 17:58.28 | cogwheel | and it has a "Library" page that runs on load |
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| 17:59.34 | alestane | I keep getting requests for incredibly simple behaviors like this MinimapFader, that I can write in about 10 lines. But then people want a TOC for them. And then people complain that the TOC doesn't work right, because I showed them how to do it instead of doing it myself. AutoThrottle was like that too. |
| 18:03.17 | Intangir | hey guys, i just upgraded to wine 0.9.44 |
| 18:03.27 | Intangir | and now wow crashes on exit |
| 18:03.45 | Intangir | i know alot of people here use wine, do you know off hand how to fix this? |
| 18:13.55 | Intangir | bleeter: you there? |
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| 18:18.33 | Lunessa | I am a leaf on the wind; watch me soar. |
| 18:21.07 | cladhaire | Memory, GC, World of Warcraft and You - Part II: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1371465210&postId=15130460584&sid=1#0 |
| 18:21.34 | nevcairiel | when was part 1 ? |
| 18:22.07 | cladhaire | its linked in the first post |
| 18:22.59 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:23.21 | cladhaire | moral of the story |
| 18:23.25 | alestane | cladhaire: is there a perceptible benefit to having this memory freed up in advance, rather than on demand? |
| 18:23.48 | cladhaire | well, i'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 18:23.55 | cladhaire | this isn't in advance, versus on-deman. |
| 18:24.09 | cladhaire | and yes, it can have an effect on low memory systems |
| 18:24.13 | cladhaire | in which case you would want to use this addon |
| 18:24.16 | alestane | Perhaps I'm not understanding your description of the process correctly. |
| 18:24.29 | cladhaire | probably not, its not a very good description |
| 18:25.02 | alestane | Are you saying that what the step collection does, is mark garbage as reusable memory more frequently? |
| 18:25.18 | cladhaire | no, its an incremental collector |
| 18:25.20 | cladhaire | versus an atomic collector |
| 18:26.16 | alestane | So, it spends x time collecting garbage, rather than collecting it all and returning when done? |
| 18:26.24 | cladhaire | NO |
| 18:26.26 | cladhaire | err caps |
| 18:26.29 | cladhaire | one sec, i'll clarify in the post |
| 18:26.32 | cladhaire | its poorly written |
| 18:26.50 | alestane | I'm still trying to grasp what's going on in the first place, let alone what the addon fixes. |
| 18:27.00 | cladhaire | yeah that's what i'm posting about |
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| 18:33.28 | alestane | So it collects garbage gently and constantly while performance is not a major issue, to prevent it from causing problems during high-load periods? |
| 18:33.54 | cladhaire | the addon, or the default GC system? |
| 18:34.00 | cladhaire | i'm getting confused about what you're asking |
| 18:34.15 | alestane | The addon, if I'm understanding your description. |
| 18:34.51 | cladhaire | it just runs the incremental garbage collector periodically, rather than ONLY in response to a new allocation. |
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| 18:36.47 | alestane | So, it helps maintain a lower level of memory use, whereas the default garbage collector may decide to run at inconvenient times because the virtual machine wanted to allocate some memory that it didn't have free room for? |
| 18:37.25 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:37.28 | cladhaire | the first yes |
| 18:37.30 | cladhaire | the second no |
| 18:39.01 | alestane | The default collector leaves a larger average level of garbage stting around more of the time. |
| 18:39.10 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:39.12 | cladhaire | but it can |
| 18:39.16 | cladhaire | because it has no way to compensate |
| 18:39.19 | cladhaire | consider this |
| 18:39.24 | cladhaire | local t = {} for i=1,1e5 do t[i] = {} end |
| 18:39.30 | cladhaire | makes a lot of garbage right? |
| 18:39.45 | alestane | Aboslutely. |
| 18:39.46 | cladhaire | none of which can be deallocated until t is nil'd out |
| 18:39.48 | alestane | sp |
| 18:39.49 | cladhaire | correct? |
| 18:40.37 | alestane | I guess, since the keys refer to the empty tables. Once there's no reference to t, it will be collected and the references to the empty tables will be released allowing them to be collected. |
| 18:41.02 | cladhaire | correct |
| 18:41.25 | alestane | The default collector runs based on demand rather than usage. |
| 18:41.36 | cladhaire | that's a misleading statement |
| 18:41.37 | alestane | IIUC. |
| 18:41.37 | cladhaire | let me continue |
| 18:41.51 | cladhaire | now, consider the fact that when we nil out that table, the system has to march 100,000 objects to mark them all, before it can even start to deallocate them. Correct? |
| 18:41.58 | cladhaire | (i updated the main post, by the way) |
| 18:42.22 | alestane | Yes, it can't deallocate any object without verifying that it has no references left. |
| 18:42.30 | cladhaire | okay |
| 18:42.40 | cladhaire | now consider that the verification process only happens in response to new allocations |
| 18:43.02 | cladhaire | the default UI doesn't have many new allocations very often, as a result the resting state of the UI doesn't run many "steps" of the garbage collector. |
| 18:43.25 | cladhaire | meaning, you'll only see increasing memory usage until _some point_ after, where all the objects have been marked for deallocation |
| 18:43.26 | alestane | So garbage accumulates, and is not frequently disposed of. |
| 18:43.43 | cladhaire | well, the GC system is in a deficit in this situation |
| 18:43.54 | cladhaire | its not generating enough garbage to remove the garbage that can be removed :P |
| 18:44.18 | alestane | But is that garbage creating a problem? |
| 18:44.25 | cladhaire | as i said before |
| 18:44.51 | cladhaire | its a perception issue, and a real one for someone with extremely low system memory |
| 18:45.05 | alestane | I have 512Mb...is it likely to affect me? |
| 18:45.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:45.20 | cladhaire | more importantly, you won't see any negative effects by running my addon |
| 18:45.26 | alestane | (512MB is exteremly low system memory) |
| 18:45.42 | alestane | Because it only runs when performance is over a certain level. |
| 18:45.58 | alestane | (Oh the irony of that statement) |
| 18:46.00 | cladhaire | no, even if you set it for a low framerate |
| 18:46.09 | cladhaire | you shouldn't see any negative effects |
| 18:47.57 | alestane | Because if the GC is being run frequently, it never has to run for very long? |
| 18:48.41 | cladhaire | well there's a setting in the lua virtual machine |
| 18:48.51 | cladhaire | that makes the "step" in the garbage collector very small |
| 18:49.05 | cladhaire | that's why on deallocation, it only ever deallocates 100 KiB a second |
| 18:49.07 | cladhaire | its limited |
| 18:49.21 | alestane | To prevent it from tying up the machine. |
| 18:49.39 | cladhaire | indeed, so it can run in-line with the allocations without interfering. |
| 18:49.50 | alestane | Because it's not a thread. |
| 18:50.07 | cladhaire | correct |
| 18:50.10 | cladhaire | basically when you type t= {} |
| 18:50.16 | cladhaire | BEFORE it gives you your new table |
| 18:50.20 | cladhaire | it runs a slice of the garbage collector |
| 18:51.10 | cladhaire | does that all make sense? |
| 18:51.17 | cladhaire | I'm trying to be technical without being too technical |
| 18:52.13 | alestane | I've been programming for over a decade, including on systems with no automatic memory management. |
| 18:52.47 | alestane | So I understand about things like purgable memory. |
| 18:52.52 | cladhaire | aye |
| 18:53.07 | alestane | The key code there is actually the {}. |
| 18:53.17 | alestane | It tells Lua to allocate a new table. |
| 18:53.41 | cladhaire | technically, its the Lua virtual machine opcodes |
| 18:53.59 | alestane | Lua goes to do that, and says "While I'm in here, I should see if there's anythign I can throw out." |
| 18:54.56 | cladhaire | yep |
| 18:55.32 | alestane | It looks over some of the objects, decides whether or not it can reclaim them, and then says, "Oh my, look at the time. I'd better allocate this table like I was asked to." |
| 18:56.11 | cladhaire | in not so many words, yes. |
| 18:57.04 | alestane | It allocates the table in some free space (which may or may not have been free before) and returns the object to the assignment statement, which puts it in t. |
| 18:57.48 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:58.07 | alestane | But then (if I am understanding you correctly) even though it left a lot of garbage that it didn't have time to collect, IT WON'T go back and collect any more garbage until something else asks for space. |
| 18:58.21 | alestane | A {}, or a function () end, or a string literal. |
| 18:59.01 | cladhaire | or a thread, correct |
| 18:59.06 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Damn it man, why do you have to be so slick and competent? You're making me look like a slacker. Curse you, damnit! Curse you! ( I'm kidding. Just read your thread about GC and it looks very helpful, informative, and handy. ) |
| 18:59.06 | cladhaire | and not string literals |
| 18:59.12 | cladhaire | concatenations or string.formats |
| 18:59.18 | cladhaire | thanks :P |
| 18:59.44 | alestane | literals are stored in code then. |
| 19:01.32 | alestane | So will custom UIs that have more active code and allocate/discard objects more frequently, experience this problem less than the stock UI that preallocates almost everything? |
| 19:03.24 | cladhaire | its hard to pinpoint _who_ will see the issue |
| 19:03.28 | cladhaire | but the moral of the story, is the addon should help everyone |
| 19:04.16 | alestane | Because if I undertand what you're saying, the build-up occurs because new objects aren't created often enough to run as many 'slices' of garbage collection as are needed to get rid of the garbage. |
| 19:04.28 | Lunessa | I'm probably going to run, since I seem to have some oddball behavior related to GC on my machine. |
| 19:05.24 | alestane | I will try it, since I run WoW on a G4 Mac Mini and anything that may help my performance is good...but it's also just the scientist in me trying to understand what's going on. |
| 19:06.09 | cladhaire | well you've got it all correct |
| 19:06.18 | cladhaire | the deficit is the issue, and this helps resolve it =) |
| 19:06.44 | alestane | The 'deficit' to which you refer is what I describe two posts previously? |
| 19:07.02 | cladhaire | yes |
| 19:08.27 | alestane | That if I have 2MB of garbage, and the system only frees up, say, 64k per collection, then the garbage will not be fully deallocated until 32 new allocations have been done. |
| 19:08.45 | alestane | (as an example) |
| 19:09.03 | cladhaire | well you have to remember that collection is 2 steps |
| 19:09.06 | cladhaire | MARK and then DEALLOCATE |
| 19:09.09 | cladhaire | during the mark phase, you see nothing |
| 19:09.16 | cladhaire | during the deallocate phase, you have decreasing memory rates |
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| 19:20.12 | alestane | I shudder whenever someone says they want to tweak Necrosis so it also does "X". |
| 19:21.12 | clad|away | lol |
| 19:21.28 | alestane | I have tried myself, and it is not tweak-friendly. |
| 19:21.44 | Gnarfoz | could a really basic countdown timer that flashes the LowHealthFrame (or what it was called) be written in a one-liner? |
| 19:22.04 | alestane | Do you know how long it took me just to FIND the code that creates the little spell buttons? |
| 19:22.52 | clad|away | Gnarfoz: yes, it could |
| 19:23.05 | Gnarfoz | I shall try, then! |
| 19:23.08 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 19:23.31 | clad|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.31 | clad|away | something like this |
| 19:23.36 | alestane | clad|away: Did I mention that the code to hide the macro labels on stock buttons works just fine? |
| 19:23.41 | clad|away | nice :P |
| 19:24.01 | clad|away | where UIFlashFrame is UIFrameFlash(frame, fadeInTime, fadeOutTime, flashDuration, showWhenDone, flashInHoldTime, flashOutHoldTime) |
| 19:24.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I've used that one before |
| 19:24.42 | alestane | Just need to make a checkbox that turns it on and off...alternatively I could iterate over all the action bars and show/hide them whenever the button is checked or unchecked. |
| 19:25.22 | alestane | Right now it hooks ActionButton_Update so that whenever it's called it makes sure the text is shown/hidden. |
| 19:26.01 | alestane | Trying to decide which is less of a pain. |
| 19:26.54 | alestane | Action bar mods usually come with their own macro name option right? |
| 19:26.55 | Lunessa | Ugh. So many Update calls. |
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| 19:27.20 | Lunessa | Bartender3, Trinity bars, CogsBar, and Bongos 2 all do. |
| 19:27.21 | alestane | Don't confuse ActionButton_Update with ActionButton_OnUpdate. |
| 19:28.10 | alestane | ActionButton_OnUpdate is run every frame...but it only calls ActionButton_Update if it perceives that the button's characteristics have changed. |
| 19:28.34 | Lunessa | Cool. |
| 19:29.51 | alestane | But, I don't believe any stock code would reshow the macro names...so I could get away with just hiding them all when the user indicates that that's what they want, rather than constantly rehiding them. |
| 19:30.27 | alestane | Just means I have to iterate over 60 different buttons in five frames whenever someone clicks a checkbox. |
| 19:31.19 | alestane | One takes about eight lines of code, the other more like forty...but the eight lines will end up eating more processor time. |
| 19:31.26 | Lunessa | Why not try it both ways? See which performs better? |
| 19:32.22 | alestane | Mostly because the test would probably cost more of my time than the total amount of slowdown it will create...worldwide...ever. |
| 19:34.00 | Lunessa | An extremely valid reason. |
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| 19:36.23 | cogwheel | clad|away: typo... "* Afterwards, in order for that to be allocated, new allocations need to happen " first "allocated" should be "collected" |
| 19:39.30 | clad|away | ah, in which the post or the addon? |
| 19:40.32 | Lunessa | So, I'm thinking about a project for making key-binding a drag and drop procedure - open spell book, character frame, bank, bag, or macro editor, drag item, ability, spell, macro, etc. onto a keyboard layout... BAM! Key is bound. Set the valid modifier keys - ctrl, shift, alt, and/or their l/r versions. I suppose I should include the mouse too, no? |
| 19:41.01 | alestane | Lunessa: Would be nice. |
| 19:41.26 | Lunessa | What about support for non-QWERTY layouts? |
| 19:41.48 | alestane | Depends how much time you have. |
| 19:42.09 | alestane | Can you even find that out from the client? |
| 19:42.20 | Lunessa | Since it's a hobby project with no one beating on me to finish it time = near infinite. |
| 19:42.32 | Lunessa | I was thinking of check box for layouts. |
| 19:42.44 | alestane | Or would the user have to select their layout within your add-on? |
| 19:43.03 | Lunessa | I can't detect it from the client. At least, not that I know. |
| 19:44.03 | alestane | Might launch it with QWERTY support, but but the architecture in to abstract the actual layout from the implementation...that way, you can add data descriptions for other layouts as you have time. |
| 19:44.14 | alestane | s/but but/but put/ |
| 19:45.34 | Lunessa | Sounds good. This isn't a small project; so it won't be done soon. |
| 19:50.23 | alestane | If you use action bar button-looking buttons for the keyboard, you can just show the texture of whatever is bound to the key in that spot. But decide what you're going to show on, say, the tab key...will you have some representation for the various built-in bindings, or will you just indicate something along the lines of "Bound in the UI"? |
| 19:52.10 | Lunessa | I'm probably going to use a graphic of the keyboard, and then allow tooltips to show what's bound. |
| 19:53.45 | alestane | Rebooting. |
| 19:56.42 | batrick | so does loadstring not work for precompiled chunks? |
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| 19:59.25 | zenzelezz | not in WoW |
| 19:59.31 | zenzelezz | only on text |
| 19:59.40 | batrick | there a reason y? |
| 19:59.54 | zenzelezz | they don't want secret addons or somesuch |
| 20:00.02 | zenzelezz | they had a reason anyhow, Iriel explained it a while back |
| 20:02.46 | Lunessa | long away. |
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| 20:04.45 | zenzelezz | funny how she's omni-present until you have something to say that isn't about hitting on her |
| 20:10.02 | Lunessa | It's a defense mechanism. |
| 20:11.00 | zenzelezz | oh well, pizza time |
| 20:11.09 | Valaron|Work | Pizza |
| 20:11.24 | Kalroth | Peanut butter jelly time! |
| 20:25.32 | Lunessa | ... I demand pizza as tribute. |
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| 20:37.59 | Lunessa | I see. My fame, personality, and star qualities have not induced you to tithe pizza to me. Prepare to face the unending fury of my wrath! |
| 20:39.16 | alestane | ~pizza Lunessa |
| 20:39.16 | purl | ACTION gives Lunessa a DelFino's special deep dish pizza |
| 20:39.28 | alestane | Damn, it works. |
| 20:40.37 | AnduinLothar | how much agil = 1% dodge? |
| 20:40.46 | alestane | Why is there no "Conjured Pizza"? |
| 20:40.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on the class, AnduinLothar |
| 20:40.53 | AnduinLothar | pally |
| 20:41.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25 |
| 20:41.26 | AnduinLothar | awesome |
| 20:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i...think |
| 20:41.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme double check |
| 20:41.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 20:41.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25 |
| 20:41.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Agility |
| 20:42.02 | AnduinLothar | if that's the case then [Spaulders of Dementia] are better than [Mantle of Abrahmis] |
| 20:42.08 | AnduinLothar | good ot know |
| 20:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | only 14.7 agi per dodge chance for droods |
| 20:43.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
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| 20:52.43 | bleeter | Intangir: no |
| 20:53.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | why is this so frightening |
| 20:53.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/dragoncon-0800.jpg |
| 20:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's the eyes |
| 20:54.24 | bleeter | Intangir: in answer to your question, there's a collection of patches linked from the Wine AppDB entry for WoW 2.1.x. http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9479 |
| 20:55.54 | bleeter | eck, terrible /me's first thing in the morning (an action AND a sentence! BAH!) |
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| 20:57.48 | Shirik | http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/airbag/caylee.php |
| 20:57.50 | Shirik | interesting article |
| 20:58.01 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 20:58.29 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:58.46 | Wraanger | question: when I set a texture to a frame .... can this texture be stretched or something ? or itwill remain exactly as it is in .tga ? |
| 20:59.06 | Lunessa | Mr_Rabies: It's frightening because you know you'd ask for her number? |
| 20:59.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i probably wouldn't for i am a shy nerd |
| 20:59.53 | Lunessa | alas, it frightens you for you have seen the promised land, but had no gas to drive there. :P |
| 21:00.30 | Lunessa | Wraanger: It'll deform if you give it dimensions larger than your file. |
| 21:01.17 | Lunessa | But you can scale textures in the XML for your frame. |
| 21:01.22 | Wraanger | can it be tiled then ? or something like that ? dims of the .tga is 128x512 ... |
| 21:01.32 | Rallion | I'd totally ask for her number. |
| 21:01.47 | Lunessa | You can tile too. |
| 21:01.50 | Wraanger | i need it to be a "background" for 200x400 frame |
| 21:02.24 | Lunessa | Rallion: I would too. I bet she's very fun and just as geeky as I am. I'd want to see some ID though. I don't need trouble for hitting on under-age girls. :) |
| 21:02.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | dragoncon has some seriously hot chicks for a nerd convention |
| 21:02.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty bizarre |
| 21:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and often like to wear nothing but body paint at night, which just seems like an awful idea |
| 21:03.17 | Lunessa | I used to say this about dragon con - If you can't get laid there, you're doing EVERYTHING wrong. |
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| 21:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god, hahahhaha, i was flipping through the pages of pictures |
| 21:03.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and found this |
| 21:03.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/dc_wow5.jpg |
| 21:03.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it surprised me |
| 21:04.09 | Lunessa | Oh, that' |
| 21:04.14 | Lunessa | that's bad. |
| 21:04.35 | Wraanger | but how it can be tiled ? i can't find something about it on WoWWiki =( |
| 21:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's clint hackleman on the left here |
| 21:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/dc_wow3.jpg |
| 21:04.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | (gobbler from myndflame) |
| 21:04.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was pretty cool |
| 21:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i ran into this crowd and they were getting their picture taken with a cop and some kids: http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/img_0110.jpg |
| 21:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanted to tell them |
| 21:06.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanted to save them, but alas, it was too late |
| 21:08.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then there's this |
| 21:08.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/dc_87.jpg |
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| 21:16.16 | cogwheel | does deserter persist after logging? |
| 21:16.43 | Lunessa | Wraanger: Apparently tile is not a valid attribute in the wow xml schema. My bad. |
| 21:16.54 | Wraanger | =( |
| 21:17.10 | Wraanger | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43140623e7d26ffc086543613ca60266.jpg << this is what I get ... |
| 21:17.19 | bleeter | cogwheel: yes, but it continues to tick whilst logged |
| 21:17.30 | Wraanger | height of texture is set to match the height of frame ... |
| 21:17.35 | cogwheel | that's what i meant... |
| 21:17.45 | bleeter | cogwheel: (rather than stay static at the value it was when you logged) |
| 21:17.57 | cogwheel | right |
| 21:18.03 | cogwheel | i didn't think it just wiped when you logged... |
| 21:18.19 | Shirik | oh well, deserter |
| 21:18.30 | Lunessa | Wraanger: What are you trying to do? use that texture across the entire frame? |
| 21:18.30 | Shirik | yey back to AV |
| 21:18.39 | Wraanger | yep |
| 21:18.57 | Lunessa | Are you coding that frame by hand, or using eePanels? |
| 21:19.02 | Wraanger | by hand |
| 21:19.11 | Wraanger | http://wowi.pastey.net/73559 << code |
| 21:20.05 | Lunessa | Why not just make a texture the size you want? |
| 21:20.47 | Wraanger | cause I did not make this texture .... |
| 21:21.07 | Wraanger | and ..my skills in gfx ..are .... umm.... less than non-existant |
| 21:21.58 | Saint-N | good god its hot out |
| 21:22.08 | Saint-N | wrannger get gimp |
| 21:22.13 | Saint-N | you can make graphics too ! |
| 21:22.38 | Saint-N | hey luney |
| 21:22.43 | Saint-N | you familiar with eepanels 2? |
| 21:22.50 | Saint-N | particularlly with textures? |
| 21:23.33 | Lunessa | Saint-N: Not especially. I saw Evil Elvis's posts about his new version, but I haven't played with it yet. And as for textures, I'm a semi-educated monkey. |
| 21:24.18 | Wraanger | me is not-educated monakey in regard of textures 0))) |
| 21:25.27 | Lunessa | Basically I know where some really common problems are because I've run into them myself, repeatedly. And learned what I needed from the experience. Maybe I can help, but don't expect miracles. |
| 21:25.32 | Saint-N | any idea if eepanels2 needs a particular format for the texture or if it uses that retarded powers of 2 limitation? |
| 21:26.01 | Lunessa | It uses the power of 2 limitation. That's a limit of the wow gfx engine. |
| 21:26.05 | Saint-N | i tried redoing the hk panels last night in ep2 and it wouldnt accept the texture |
| 21:26.14 | Saint-N | dammit |
| 21:26.35 | Saint-N | that means im gonna have to make buttloads of panels if it want it mostly textured |
| 21:27.16 | Lunessa | Yup. |
| 21:27.17 | Saint-N | okay thanks, that answers that ;) |
| 21:27.38 | Saint-N | that makes me sad but at least it's easy enough to chop up |
| 21:27.51 | Saint-N | does it "have to be" powers of 2? |
| 21:28.03 | Saint-N | or can i make it like say 240x240 |
| 21:30.47 | Lunessa | That's where I get into 'semi-educated monkey status' - I think they need to be actual powers of 2, but... it might be 'divisible by 2' - so I don't want to steer you wrong. |
| 21:31.10 | Saint-N | heh okies ill muck with it when i get home and see what i can cobble |
| 21:31.22 | Saint-N | this is gonna be pretty ugly though |
| 21:31.42 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 21:31.52 | Saint-N | in order to avoid the whole streched images and stuff ive got 3 panels 241x545 202x690 and 241x720 |
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| 21:32.13 | Lunessa | A Texture frame element can have an arbitrary location, size, and scale. |
| 21:32.29 | Cidan | I don't think they need to be powers of two |
| 21:33.01 | Lunessa | "Texture frame elements display images, these are generally loaded from files and are specified with a path. The WoW UI engine handles various different sizes of images, as long as each side is a power of 2 (64x64, 256x256, 512x128, etc)." |
| 21:33.10 | Saint-N | see that 512x128? |
| 21:33.12 | Cidan | Or not. |
| 21:33.17 | Saint-N | that gives me a bit of hope ;) |
| 21:33.22 | Cidan | not really |
| 21:33.29 | Saint-N | at least its not "squared" |
| 21:33.48 | Cidan | 2^9 by 2^7 |
| 21:33.50 | Saint-N | cid can you check something quick for me if you're near wow? |
| 21:33.54 | Cidan | I am. |
| 21:33.58 | Cidan | What is up, home dog? |
| 21:34.04 | Saint-N | make a texture thats 240x240 |
| 21:34.11 | Saint-N | and see if eepnaels2 will accept it |
| 21:34.16 | Saint-N | eepanels2 |
| 21:34.16 | Cidan | o-tay. |
| 21:34.20 | Saint-N | thanks |
| 21:34.38 | Cidan | yerp, gimmi a sec |
| 21:34.43 | zenzelezz | I think I had trouble with non-power-of-two textures, but I don't know if I was doing something else wrong or it was actually the size that was the problem |
| 21:34.58 | zenzelezz | and as you said, power of two does not necessarily imply square textures |
| 21:35.08 | Saint-N | zenzelezz: yeah thats the iossue i have |
| 21:35.30 | Saint-N | in dart i was mucking with predefined sized textures but it would only draw a blank box |
| 21:35.54 | Saint-N | and essentially if dart cant do it and eepanels can i may as well just use that |
| 21:35.59 | Saint-N | since its much lighter |
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| 21:36.12 | Saint-N | and then just xperl some sorta theme |
| 21:36.14 | zenzelezz | generally I believe if a texture is incompatible it will show as a sort of light green, not black |
| 21:36.16 | Lunessa | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8139.0 |
| 21:37.15 | Saint-N | ooo |
| 21:37.22 | Cidan | testing now |
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| 21:37.43 | Saint-N | that means with the script functions its possible to create that "when im in a raid when im in a party and when im solo" open close raid box |
| 21:38.31 | Lunessa | Yes, indeedy. |
| 21:39.02 | Saint-N | thats kind of awesome |
| 21:39.07 | Cidan | eePanels is such a piece of shit sometimes |
| 21:39.12 | Saint-N | not if only it would support drag and drop scripting ;P |
| 21:39.13 | Cidan | the menu doesn't work in Fubar |
| 21:39.19 | Saint-N | eepanels2 ;P |
| 21:39.21 | Saint-N | not 1 |
| 21:39.28 | Saint-N | 1 doesnt do textures |
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| 21:39.51 | Saint-N | and really who cares you use fubar to make the panel and then right click the created box ;P |
| 21:39.59 | Wraanger | Lunessa: read the article ...but tbh understood nothing =( |
| 21:39.59 | Saint-N | and edit them all happily |
| 21:41.09 | Saint-N | whee! |
| 21:41.23 | Saint-N | 145 cycircled hk downloads 96 hkui ;) |
| 21:41.56 | Saint-N | i need to figure out why the chatframe screws up too if you login with a character you've not used since you last rm'd the wtf |
| 21:41.58 | nevcairiel | people are sick |
| 21:42.07 | Saint-N | arent they though ;P |
| 21:42.14 | Saint-N | you cant tell me that the cycircled isnt cute though |
| 21:42.15 | zenzelezz | Saint-N: "screws up"? |
| 21:42.17 | nevcairiel | hk ui for wow? comeone.. |
| 21:42.19 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:42.19 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 21:42.22 | Cidan | huh, I've been using eepanels1, oops? either way, you can set textures in eepanels1, and no, it didn't work. |
| 21:42.58 | Cidan | Should I really switch to eepanels2? :/ |
| 21:43.13 | Saint-N | if ive got a layout on one character and the char is set in saved variables to be on the right side of the screen.. if i log into a character where it creates the defaults(not having its own character dir) it locks it on the right side disables the buttons and the hover over doesnt work |
| 21:43.33 | Saint-N | eepnaels 2 supports custom textures ;P |
| 21:43.37 | Saint-N | eep1 doesnt |
| 21:43.41 | Saint-N | unless he just modded it |
| 21:43.48 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing you're not talking default UI chat frame then |
| 21:43.50 | Cidan | shrug, "Custom Texture" |
| 21:43.50 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:44.03 | Saint-N | guess he added it recently ;) |
| 21:44.12 | Cidan | I really don't want to redo all my panels though, ugh. |
| 21:44.39 | Wraanger | saint: and where is that hkui ? |
| 21:44.48 | Saint-N | zenzelezz: its not the blizz chat, but when i modify the layout0cache settings and remove the chat location manually it pops the chat where its supposed to be with the buttons and hover ability |
| 21:44.52 | Saint-N | wowi |
| 21:45.07 | Saint-N | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7517-HelloKittyIslandAdventure.html |
| 21:45.37 | Saint-N | hehe i noticed last night that my deving this on kel'thuzad is a touch ironic |
| 21:45.38 | Ominous | kergoth: ping |
| 21:45.59 | Ominous | ~seen kergoth |
| 21:46.01 | purl | kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge (5d 17h 14m 12s) #oe (5d 17h 14m 12s) #norganna (5d 17h 14m 12s) #elinux (5d 17h 14m 12s). Has said a total of 664 messages. Is idling for 46m 22s, last said: 'ah okay :) thanks'. |
| 21:46.04 | Saint-N | since he created the original abominations ;P |
| 21:46.13 | Wraanger | ahh..saw that ..it's funny ) |
| 21:46.16 | Saint-N | ironic/fitting |
| 21:50.42 | Lunessa | AHA! |
| 21:51.08 | Lunessa | You can tile a item with the <backdrop> tag |
| 21:51.51 | Lunessa | Nice tutorial here: http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
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| 21:52.42 | Saint-N | heh tiling was never and issue for me ;) |
| 21:53.03 | Lunessa | ... I think Wraanger was asking. |
| 21:53.12 | Wraanger | yeah .... |
| 21:53.36 | Wraanger | the only problem is that all my addon is pure Lua =( and all of Fara thingies is xml +( |
| 21:53.42 | Ominous | woot notepad++ works with wine |
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| 22:03.16 | bleeter | though, why one would want to is anyone's guess ;) |
| 22:03.31 | Anvilator | Hi all. If anyone has a spare couple of min, would you be so kind as to cast your eye over my lua im working on. Im getting an error around line 167, but it's all one function (Badly Written im very sure). Thanks in advance http://wowi.pastey.net/73561 |
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| 22:09.00 | Igor_wow | hiya |
| 22:09.21 | Anvilator | hi |
| 22:10.08 | Igor_wow | this is where ppl come to ask Lua API qns right? |
| 22:10.20 | Lunessa | Anvilator: What's the error? |
| 22:10.23 | kergoth | Ominous, pong |
| 22:11.10 | Anvilator | Expexted ')' near ';' |
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| 22:11.55 | Igor_wow | forgot a "? |
| 22:12.08 | Lunessa | You have too many open parens, and not a close paren. Check your formula. : ) |
| 22:12.28 | Lunessa | Igor_wow: More or less, yes. |
| 22:12.31 | Anvilator | oO Well spotted, thanks Lunessa. |
| 22:12.45 | Igor_wow | what editor do y'all use? |
| 22:12.58 | Anvilator | EditPlus here |
| 22:13.07 | Lunessa | TextEdit on my iMac. |
| 22:13.14 | Anvilator | Not ideal tbh, but i manage |
| 22:13.31 | Lunessa | Real coders make the job hard on themselves (I kid, but I really do use TextEdit) |
| 22:13.41 | Igor_wow | been using gvim, which highlights great, not too easy to learn |
| 22:15.13 | Shirik | scite |
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| 22:15.15 | Shirik | ftw |
| 22:15.17 | Shirik | very ftw |
| 22:15.37 | Guillotine | scite |
| 22:15.45 | Guillotine | scite is the greatest |
| 22:17.07 | Wraanger | how to change only alpha of vackdrop ? |
| 22:17.11 | Wraanger | backdrop* |
| 22:17.19 | Wraanger | not colors |
| 22:17.28 | Guillotine | SetAlpha? |
| 22:17.45 | Wraanger | umm)) me stupid ..forgot ) |
| 22:18.29 | Guillotine | oh, backdrop |
| 22:18.35 | Guillotine | SetBackdropColor(0, 0, 0, .55) |
| 22:18.42 | Guillotine | or whatever number you want for alpha |
| 22:18.50 | Guillotine | or |
| 22:19.14 | Wraanger | if use (0,0,0,alpha) it changes color to black =( |
| 22:19.27 | Guillotine | local r,g,b=Something:GetBackdropColor(); Something:SetBackdropColor(r,g,b,alpha) |
| 22:20.00 | Igor_wow | hmm not sure i like this SciTe |
| 22:20.04 | Wraanger | thanks ...will try immediately |
| 22:20.09 | Igor_wow | default colors are awful |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | I think the default colors are perfect |
| 22:20.30 | Guillotine | me too |
| 22:20.31 | Shirik | and it's the ONLY editor I know of that handles special cases correctly |
| 22:20.45 | Shirik | such as foo:SetTexture[[some\path\]] |
| 22:20.47 | Guillotine | and theres a version with some commonly used WoW scripts |
| 22:20.59 | Shirik | which needs to be updated |
| 22:21.05 | Guillotine | yes, it does |
| 22:21.14 | Guillotine | but the simple things are still correct |
| 22:21.42 | Guillotine | you guys are so evil. Stop having interesting conversations or I'll never get any work done :( |
| 22:21.53 | Igor_wow | hmm well i'll stick with gvim for now |
| 22:23.20 | kergoth | boo work |
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| 22:24.09 | Caze | hello everyone.. is this the best place to spam my macro question? :p |
| 22:24.20 | Igor_wow | yes |
| 22:24.34 | Guillotine | no. but its the best place to ask it |
| 22:24.41 | Guillotine | spamming is my job |
| 22:24.55 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guillotine |
| 22:24.55 | purl | hauls Guillotine up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 22:26.12 | Caze | okay.. |
| 22:26.18 | Caze | Possible to make a macro.. |
| 22:26.22 | Caze | wait, one sec.. |
| 22:26.27 | Igor_wow | try |
| 22:26.28 | Igor_wow | not |
| 22:26.28 | Igor_wow | too |
| 22:26.31 | Igor_wow | use |
| 22:26.33 | Igor_wow | so many lines |
| 22:26.44 | Shirik | ~lart Igor_wow |
| 22:26.44 | purl | nukes Igor_wow with a single large nuke |
| 22:26.46 | Guillotine | s/too/to |
| 22:26.54 | Shirik | ~lart Guillotine |
| 22:26.54 | purl | executes killall -TERM Guillotine |
| 22:26.58 | Thunder_Child | damn, Shirik beat me to it |
| 22:28.00 | Caze | I've got a dagger on my off hand. and a main hand sword in my.. main hand, obv. I wanna have my dagger switch to my main hand and equip a different one hand in my off hand.. in a macro, does that make sense and sorryforusingsomanylines |
| 22:29.01 | Thunder_Child | have you checked the macro guide? |
| 22:30.03 | Caze | For rogues, yes. |
| 22:30.20 | Caze | but the closest I've found is something that only switches your MH weapons |
| 22:30.36 | Caze | I'm looking for something [I think] is slightly more complicated |
| 22:31.24 | Thunder_Child | like "There are two commands for equipping items: /equip and /equipslot. /equip simply takes an item name and will equip it to the deafult slot as if you had right-clicked it in one of your bags (i.e., a one-handed weapon will be equipped to your main hand). /equipslot takes an inventory slot number (see "How do I use an item?" above) and an item name, and equips the item to the specified slot" |
| 22:32.17 | Thunder_Child | "The /equipslot [n] has the following possible numbers: 1 is Head, 2 is Neck, 3 is Shoulder, 4 is Shirt, 5 is Chest, 6 is Waist, 7 is Legs, 8 is Feet, 9 is Wrist, 10 is Hands, 11 is Top Finger, 12 is Bottom Finger, 13 is Top Trinket, 14 is Bottom Trinket, 15 is Back, 16 is Main Hand, 17 is Off-Hand, 18 is Ranged, 19 is Tabard, 20 is Ammo slot." |
| 22:32.49 | Caze | so |
| 22:33.13 | Caze | basically that was written somewhere and I missed it? In any case I'm finding it hard to make sense of it :p |
| 22:33.21 | Thunder_Child | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96143900&sid=1 |
| 22:33.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro |
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| 22:39.50 | Anvilator | I have a variable: 'Nuke_GearArcaneCrit = (GetSpellCritChance(7));' , but unfortunately it's returning 13 decimal places. Anyone know a way to restrict it to say 2 or 3 dp? |
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| 22:42.27 | Igor_wow | Anvilator: well, you'd write a function to do that i'd think |
| 22:43.11 | Igor_wow | Anvilator: pass your number as a param, do tostring() on it, look for the decimal mark, if you find it, return a substring that ends 2 places after where you found the decimal ppojnt |
| 22:44.05 | Igor_wow | Anvilator: also check out http://www.wowwiki.com/API_format |
| 22:44.15 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 22:44.16 | Anvilator | Thanks Igor |
| 22:44.20 | Shirik | that is the absolutely horrible way to do it |
| 22:44.22 | Shirik | don't do that Anvilator |
| 22:44.37 | Igor_wow | yeah string.format("%.2f", yournumber) |
| 22:44.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:44.41 | Igor_wow | do that thats better |
| 22:45.04 | Shirik | >>> return string.format("%.2f", 100), string.format("%.2f", Math.pi) |
| 22:45.05 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return string.format("%.2f", 100), string.f..."]:1: attempt to index global 'Math' (a nil value) |
| 22:45.08 | Anvilator | Doesnt that convert it to a String? and if so, can it still be used for arithmetic? |
| 22:45.08 | Shirik | >>> return string.format("%.2f", 100), string.format("%.2f", math.pi) |
| 22:45.09 | Cide | Shirik: "100.00", "3.14" |
| 22:45.19 | Shirik | you can always tonumber() that |
| 22:45.25 | Shirik | alternatively you can do some modular arithmatic |
| 22:45.28 | Anvilator | i see. ok thanks |
| 22:45.49 | Igor_wow | i dunno...my way worked fine too lol |
| 22:45.56 | Shirik | >>> n = math.pi; n =( (n * 10^2) % 1) / 10^2; return n |
| 22:45.57 | Cide | Shirik: 0.0015926535897933 |
| 22:46.00 | Shirik | no it definitely didn't |
| 22:46.02 | Shirik | oops |
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| 22:46.16 | Shirik | oh that was a stupid mistake |
| 22:46.21 | Shirik | anyway.... no, yours ate up a ton of memory |
| 22:46.26 | Igor_wow | true :) |
| 22:46.28 | Shirik | because you're making a billion string splits, all of which become interned |
| 22:46.33 | Shirik | and it took a ton of processing time on top of that |
| 22:47.33 | Igor_wow | too bad computers are so slow these days and have so little memory... |
| 22:47.37 | Igor_wow | :) |
| 22:47.52 | Shirik | the abundance of memory is NOT an excuse to ignore its usage |
| 22:48.46 | Shirik | clad|away would probably be tearing your head off right now if he was here |
| 22:49.02 | Shirik | Cidan too, but he's not paying attention |
| 22:49.10 | Cidan | what? |
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| 22:49.11 | Cidan | huh? |
| 22:49.35 | Rallion | "There's a whole lot of ocean, so let's not worry about pouring some oil over a few hundred square miles of it." |
| 22:49.50 | Cidan | Yeah, no. |
| 22:49.52 | Shirik | that's... a really good statement |
| 22:49.56 | Shirik | never heard that one before |
| 22:50.15 | Cidan | When you program, you should always try to be as conservative as possible. |
| 22:50.23 | Cidan | Alllwayyyss |
| 22:50.26 | Cidan | also |
| 22:50.27 | Cidan | Shirik |
| 22:50.42 | Cidan | clad was working on this GC tweaker addon |
| 22:50.44 | Cidan | man |
| 22:50.45 | Igor_wow | don't worry i'm just pulling your chain hehe |
| 22:50.47 | Cidan | it works so well. |
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| 22:52.24 | Shirik | what does it change? |
| 22:53.01 | Cidan | Just the situations when GC collects, based on your frame rate and combat status |
| 22:53.14 | Cidan | I believe, anyways. I didn't look at the code. |
| 22:53.45 | Cidan | Either way, memory usage stays way low at almost all times, with no imact on frame rate so far as I can tell |
| 22:54.24 | Igor_wow | hmm thats a good idea |
| 22:54.41 | Cidan | I BET YOU THINK IT IS |
| 22:54.42 | Cidan | YEAH |
| 22:54.54 | Cidan | Off to cook dinner. |
| 22:55.21 | Thunder_Child | "PerfBlock" you mean Cidan? |
| 22:55.22 | Igor_wow | when does the collector normally run? |
| 22:55.34 | Cidan | Thunder_Child, no. |
| 22:55.47 | Cidan | A new addon |
| 22:55.53 | Shirik | Igor_wow: At 120% |
| 22:55.55 | Shirik | 110% |
| 22:56.12 | Shirik | (by default) |
| 22:57.56 | Igor_wow | so if i never get to my limit in the Addons screen, it never runs? |
| 22:58.47 | Cidan | There is no limit anymore... |
| 22:58.50 | Cidan | That was removed. |
| 22:59.07 | Igor_wow | so what is it 110% of? |
| 22:59.15 | Cidan | The last collection. |
| 22:59.21 | Igor_wow | ahh ok |
| 22:59.55 | Shirik | like |
| 23:00.03 | Cidan | ie: I login at 30, it's 30(1.1) |
| 23:00.07 | Shirik | if you started up at 10MB, next collection will be 11 |
| 23:00.20 | Shirik | At the end of the collection, it stores that new value, and waits until n*1.1 |
| 23:00.24 | Shirik | over and over again |
| 23:00.38 | Cidan | hmm, it's funny |
| 23:00.44 | Cidan | when we code, we say n*1.1 |
| 23:00.50 | Cidan | but when we do math, at least when I do |
| 23:00.55 | Cidan | I say n(1.1) |
| 23:01.04 | Shirik | nah, on my papers I write n*1.1 |
| 23:01.06 | Igor_wow | nerds... |
| 23:01.12 | Shirik | and my physics prof yelled at me the other day for it |
| 23:01.26 | Shirik | "There is no star in physics! 0!" |
| 23:01.29 | Shirik | well not quite zero but still :P |
| 23:01.30 | Cidan | lulz? |
| 23:01.36 | Cidan | did you do a dot? |
| 23:01.41 | Cidan | you didn't do a STAR did you? |
| 23:01.51 | Shirik | I do a little asterisk thingy |
| 23:01.53 | Shirik | three lines |
| 23:02.05 | Shirik | vertical and X-ish |
| 23:02.13 | Cidan | oo, bad bad, :P |
| 23:02.20 | Cidan | use a dot if you must, :P |
| 23:02.32 | Shirik | habit :( |
| 23:02.58 | Igor_wow | on the math sat they use x sometimes |
| 23:03.07 | Igor_wow | to indicate multiplication |
| 23:03.25 | Cidan | for aretmatic, yeah |
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| 23:03.32 | Shirik | aretmatic |
| 23:03.33 | Shirik | wow |
| 23:03.39 | Shirik | thank god you didn't go into english |
| 23:03.45 | Cidan | er |
| 23:03.55 | Shirik | that has so many things wrong I don't know where to start :P |
| 23:04.00 | Cidan | arithmetic |
| 23:04.01 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:04.09 | Cidan | BAH |
| 23:04.10 | Cidan | :( |
| 23:04.42 | Cidan | sorry, I do that sometimes, it's a spanish thing |
| 23:04.49 | Cidan | I cross english with spanish when I type |
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| 23:04.54 | Igor_wow | i'd start with why you try to be a good speller in an internet chat room |
| 23:05.36 | Cidan | Eh |
| 23:05.42 | Cidan | It's something you always try to do. |
| 23:06.48 | Igor_wow | i don't |
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| 23:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just thought of gold farmers having a battle, western style |
| 23:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | the mind works in bizarre ways |
| 23:08.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i thought of this song |
| 23:08.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=GdNh9f2Wwm0 |
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| 23:13.40 | Corrodias | it's friday |
| 23:13.52 | Corrodias | huzzah, maybe i can get some damn grouping done with my hunter |
| 23:14.42 | bleeter | LIZE! |
| 23:14.44 | bleeter | Sat Sep 8 09:14:44 EST 2007 |
| 23:22.12 | Shirik | bleeter lies |
| 23:22.35 | Shirik | Friday September 7 2007 -- 23:22:23 +00:00 |
| 23:22.37 | Shirik | foo |
| 23:22.41 | Shirik | the world lives on UTC |
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| 23:25.46 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 23:26.01 | Polarina | !c eu scarshield legion polarina |
| 23:26.10 | Shirik | ~lart Thrae |
| 23:26.10 | purl | whacks Thrae with the cluebat |
| 23:26.14 | Shirik | and the nonexistent ThraeBot |
| 23:27.06 | Shirik | 14(1911:2611:0914) 14(1115ThraeBot14) Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8205 Mana; 407 mana regen; 123 mp5; 26 spell crit; 188 +spell dmg; 995 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 978 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Fri Sep 7 19:38:47 2007 ]] |
| 23:27.07 | Shirik | woot |
| 23:27.15 | Shirik | it's rather sad that I've gained 200 +healing in the last two days |
| 23:27.32 | Polarina | Now it's my turn. :D |
| 23:27.35 | Polarina | I'm excited! |
| 23:28.11 | Polarina | When will that bot respond to my command, it responded to yours. :S |
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| 23:31.40 | bleeter | Shirik: UGT ftw! sat morning here :P |
| 23:32.12 | bleeter | I'm sure Wobin_ will agree ;) |
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| 23:35.02 | Thrae | !help ge |
| 23:35.03 | ThraeBot | !ge <eu/us> <server> <character name> -- Show gear info for given character, from Armoury |
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| 23:36.23 | Igor_wow | !ge us Echo Isles Ormos |
| 23:36.30 | ThraeBot | Igor_wow: Ormos, Level 28 Dwarf Hunter (19/0/0); Shoulder: Mantle of Honor; Shirt: Rugged Trapper's Shirt; Chest: Bone-studded Leather; Belt: Scaled Leather Belt; Legs: Smith's Trousers; Feet: Mariner Boots; Wrist: Forest Leather Bracers; Gloves: Bard's Gloves; 1st Ring: Ring of Iron Will; Back: Cloak of the Faith; Main hand: Crescent of Forlorn Spirits; Off hand: Totem of Infliction; |
| 23:36.30 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.38 | Valaron|Work | Show me! Show me! |
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| 23:37.01 | Igor_wow | heh neat |
| 23:37.03 | Valaron|Work | !ge us Proudmoore Valaron |
| 23:37.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | FYI, this is in for 2.3 |
| 23:37.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 23:37.12 | ThraeBot | Valaron|Work: Valaron, Level 70 Orc Hunter (34/27/0); Shoulder: Mantle of Honor; Shirt: Rugged Trapper's Shirt; Chest: Bone-studded Leather; Belt: Scaled Leather Belt; Legs: Smith's Trousers; Feet: Mariner Boots; Wrist: Forest Leather Bracers; Gloves: Bard's Gloves; 1st Ring: Ring of Iron Will; Back: Cloak of the Faith; Main hand: Crescent of Forlorn Spirits; Off hand: Totem of Infliction; |
| 23:37.13 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.25 | Valaron|Work | That took a while :P |
| 23:37.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ge us Llane Raybeez |
| 23:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | spamtastic |
| 23:37.51 | ScytheBlade1 | !ge us Doomhammer Sbo |
| 23:37.53 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Raybeez, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/46/14); Shoulder: Mantle of Honor; Shirt: Rugged Trapper's Shirt; Chest: Bone-studded Leather; Belt: Scaled Leather Belt; Legs: Smith's Trousers; Feet: Mariner Boots; Wrist: Forest Leather Bracers; Gloves: Bard's Gloves; 1st Ring: Ring of Iron Will; Back: Cloak of the Faith; Main hand: Crescent of Forlorn Spirits; Off hand: Totem of Infliction; |
| 23:37.53 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.02 | ThraeBot | ScytheBlade1: Sbo, Level 70 Gnome Mage (1/57/3); Shoulder: Mantle of Honor; Shirt: Rugged Trapper's Shirt; Chest: Bone-studded Leather; Belt: Scaled Leather Belt; Legs: Smith's Trousers; Feet: Mariner Boots; Wrist: Forest Leather Bracers; Gloves: Bard's Gloves; 1st Ring: Ring of Iron Will; Back: Cloak of the Faith; Main hand: Crescent of Forlorn Spirits; Off hand: Totem of Infliction; |
| 23:38.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | um |
| 23:38.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 23:38.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not my gear |
| 23:38.30 | Valaron|Work | Ranged: Dwarven Fishing Pole? |
| 23:38.31 | Valaron|Work | Ummm |
| 23:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
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| 23:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome. |
| 23:38.44 | Igor_wow | yeah everyone seems to have the same equipment |
| 23:38.55 | Igor_wow | what a crazy coincidence |
| 23:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- ThraeBot has quit ("Bot exploded (qq!)") |
| 23:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think I'll ever forget that |
| 23:39.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH GOD WE KILLED IT |
| 23:39.32 | art3mis | good |
| 23:39.35 | art3mis | its spammy |
| 23:39.51 | art3mis | ohohohohoh |
| 23:39.58 | art3mis | i have a question about overlay graphics and such |
| 23:40.02 | Olison | i think x/5 T4,5,6 would be better |
| 23:40.45 | art3mis | if my graphic is 241x256 and i wanna pad the last little bitto make it a pwoer of 2 will it read "transparent" portions as a full 256x256? |
| 23:44.31 | Wobin_ | bleeter: yuhuh! |
| 23:44.39 | Wobin_ | And it feels like yesterday was Sunday |
| 23:44.44 | Wobin_ | ^^ |
| 23:44.49 | |Jelly| | Examples of an addon written entirely in Lua. GOGOGO |
| 23:44.52 | Wobin_ | Hurrah for long weekend |
| 23:45.15 | Wobin_ | art3mis: probably =) |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | Cidan you won't believe it |
| 23:46.01 | Shirik | |Jelly|: RDX |
| 23:46.03 | Shirik | Cidan you won't believe it |
| 23:46.11 | Shirik | I cooked hot dogs last night |
| 23:46.13 | Shirik | amazing isn't it |
| 23:46.19 | |Jelly| | RDX.cid? or RDX? |
| 23:46.21 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Or Conspiracy |
| 23:46.24 | Shirik | hell no not RDX |
| 23:46.29 | Shirik | Veni's code is unreadable half the time |
| 23:46.31 | |Jelly| | Cause I need an example to give someone to they stfu. |
| 23:46.39 | |Jelly| | s/to/so/ |
| 23:46.44 | Shirik | grab the Conspiracy code :) |
| 23:46.46 | |Jelly| | gah |
| 23:46.49 | |Jelly| | See?!? |
| 23:46.54 | |Jelly| | wtb? |
| 23:47.14 | Wobin_ | join #arglefrog |
| 23:47.20 | Igor_wow | gonna blow me up a catapult here |
| 23:49.49 | art3mis | hrm now to figure out how make a portion transparent in gimp |
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| 23:55.45 | N00bZXI | art3mis: I find it easier to do editing in imageready then GIMP |
| 23:56.38 | N00bZXI | art3mis: I can tell you how to change transparency there if you have access to it. |
| 23:56.40 | art3mis | imageready? |
| 23:56.57 | N00bZXI | Or photoshop |
| 23:57.08 | N00bZXI | Same thing, prettymuch |
| 23:57.17 | art3mis | yeah i despise all that is adobe ;P |
| 23:58.12 | N00bZXI | Well then I probably can't help you :\ |
| 23:58.23 | art3mis | heh i think i figured it out |
| 23:58.42 | N00bZXI | GIMP takes about 10 mins to load unless I use --no-fonts |
