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00:39.11art3mishttp://i12.tinypic.com/4y6sgsp.jpg
00:41.51Thunder_Childlol
00:42.32art3mishttp://roflwigger.com/
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00:48.20Cairennyay Canada
00:56.21clad|awaywhat happens if an addon directory has multiple .toc files?
00:56.33clad|awayonly one gets loaded, but which one? ;-)
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00:58.39Shirikclad|away: Er, how can it?
00:58.45ShirikDoesn'ti t have to be named the same as the folder?
00:58.47clad|awayi don't know.. can it?
00:58.51Gnarfozthe toc file has to be called the same as the folder, IIRC?
00:59.07clad|awaythats what i understood
00:59.13clad|awaybut figured i'd ask, see if anyone had played :p
01:17.05Legorol~lart clad|away
01:17.05purlpours gasoline all over clad|away, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
01:17.11clad|awayhai
01:17.17Legorolyou should know that the toc has to be named the same as the folder :)
01:17.26clad|awayjust verifying :P
01:17.35Legorolhave you never had the d'oh moment when you named them different?
01:17.38Legorolhappened to me before
01:17.40Thunder_Childrefresher course http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format
01:17.43clad|awayno, i havent actually
01:17.56Legorolah ok, then you are off the hook
01:20.36clad|awayLegorol: so I got my freshers pack today.. everything is starting to seem rather real :P
01:20.59Legorolnice nice
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03:11.46cogwheelis it because I watched sesame street as a kid or something? I swear to god i was never like this... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272000434&sid=1
03:15.13Cidanwin:  Im very slow sorry bout the capitals. Just tell me please
03:15.18Cidanlol
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03:18.25Cairennthis one is fun too: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1271910371&sid=1
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03:24.51cogwheelhaha! my wife is very upset with the name of her felguard... Thoodhun
03:24.54bleetercogwheel: deep down, you know you just want to be like him if you thought you could get away with it ;)
03:25.11cogwheelbleeter: you should've seen me when the 2.0 changes were first leaked...
03:25.24cogwheelI wasn't like him, but i did blow a few gaskets
03:29.00Cairenna few?
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03:30.03cogwheelawww... c'mon.... most of them deserved it... ><
03:30.11Cairennlol
03:30.27Cairennthey did, sure enough, but ... "a few"?
03:30.36Cairennyou went right off the bloody deep end you did
03:30.41cogwheelThat's just the ones in my head...
03:31.15CairennI'm amazed you didn't give yourself a stroke, your blood pressure was so high
03:31.18cogwheelI think if I had to deal with those people in person i would've literally burst a vein in my forehead...
03:31.47cogwheelthose were uncannily similar trains of thought
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03:42.22Cairennoh, lovely
03:42.40Cairenndolby-wowi just told us that the bit about how to take down the wow servers has been posted on Digg
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03:54.54Wobwor1haven't they hotfixed it already?
03:55.13Cairennapparently not?
03:55.35Wobwor1hm, they definitely rebooted AD for 'Arena hotfixing' last night
03:55.52Wobwor1And I'm fairly sure they did Blackrock too
03:56.00Wobwor1cause of the BR noobs that logged in
03:56.08Cairenngiven this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272319558&sid=1 I think it's still happening, at least on some servers
03:57.09Wobwor1I guess the hotfix didn't work =P
03:57.48Cairennor hasn't been applied globally yet for whatever reason
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04:25.46Thunder_Childwowwiki got mentioned in an article in this months Games for Windows (pg.24)
04:27.00bleeterCairenn: charming
04:27.26Cairennyeah, like enough people didn't know about it already
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05:02.56Elyssahhowdy
05:03.05Elyssahi had a question if someone has a min
05:03.30Wobwor1ask away
05:03.32Elyssahso i made a frame and put a nice texture on it
05:03.53Elyssahi decided then that i wanted to put the texture in a frame within the first frame
05:03.59Elyssahnow my texture doesn't show
05:04.19Wobwor1is the second frame shown?
05:05.03Elyssahit doesn't have a frame or background.. so when i /console reloadui, it doesn't show
05:05.57Elyssahi'm new to xml, so i may be understanding something wrong
05:06.19Wobwor1pastey the xml?
05:06.47Elyssahanything special to do that, or just cnp?
05:07.07Wobwor1wowi.pastey.net
05:07.47Elyssahah
05:10.25Elyssahhttp://wowi.pastey.net/72833
05:10.47Elyssahi left the <ui></ui> out, because i know the problem isn't there
05:12.26Elyssahcurse my copy/paste skills, that extra </texture> and </anchor> aren't really there
05:13.46Elyssahthere, i fixed my paste errors
05:15.39Elyssahare you still there?
05:16.02Shirik|zZzElyssah: I do hope you're just being lazy in IRC
05:16.11Shirik|zZzbecause Ui is capitalized
05:16.21Elyssah-_- yes, i know
05:16.42Shirik|zZzon that note, good night
05:16.55Elyssahall my <> are properly capitalized
05:17.08Shirik|zZzthey're called tags :)
05:17.40Elyssahall my tags are properly capitalized
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05:19.22ElyssahHello Tierrie
05:20.35Wobwor1I'm afraid I can't help, myself, Elyssah, my xml knowledge is minimal, I prefer to code the frames =) But someone else may be able to help
05:21.01Elyssahthank you Wobwor1 for trying
05:21.23Tierrieelo Elyssah
05:21.31Elyssahif no one here is able to help, i'll suffer the gauntlet and post it in the forums
05:21.33Tierriedid you have a question?
05:21.58Elyssahyes. i had a frame, i made a background layer texture for it
05:22.08Elyssahand it displayed fine on loadup.
05:22.12Tierrieok
05:22.22Tierrieand you changed textures and you reloaded ui and the texture didn't change?
05:22.26Cairenn|afkElyssah: you're much more like to get help here than in the forums, unfortunately not everyone is around atm, as is obvious
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05:22.29Elyssahi moved the layer into a frame inside the first frame
05:22.34Tierrieoookay
05:22.44Tierriei are teh heres
05:22.49Cairenn|afkhey Tierrie :)
05:22.58Tierriehey cairenn, remember, eclipse tonight
05:23.00Tierriein like 4 hours
05:23.06Tierrietotality in 5
05:23.07Cairenn|afkindeed?
05:23.09Tierrieyes
05:23.12Elyssahwhile the first set up updated fine and showed the texture, now the texture isn't showing
05:23.13Tierrieits going to be blood red
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05:23.26Elyssahhttp://wowi.pastey.net/72834
05:23.27Cairenn|afkand the chances that I'll see it here? remember, I'm rather a few hours east
05:23.49Tierriecairenn: the moon doesn't care, its 5 hours from now if you're anywhere this side of earth
05:23.56Tierriebut its best viewed west of the rockies
05:24.02Tierriebut you can still see it east of it
05:24.03Cairenn|afkmy point exactly
05:24.08Tierrieit will still be totality
05:24.11Wobwor1woo
05:24.12Wobwor1The Total Lunar Eclipse on August 28th 2007 will be visible in its entirety for all of Eastern Australia and New Zealand, and will be in progress at Moonrise for the remainder of Australia and most of Asia. It will be visible at Moonset for the Americas, and will not be visible at all for  Africa, Europe and Western Asia.
05:24.31Wobwor1And it's a cloudless day today =)
05:24.41Tierrieyeah cairenn
05:24.43Tierrieyou will see it
05:24.52Tierrieits worth staying up for
05:25.01Tierrieits a full eclipse and it should be blood red due to earth's polution
05:25.08Tierrieanyway elyssah i will take a look right now
05:25.20Elyssahthank you Tierrie, i appricate it
05:25.32Tierrieis that url right?
05:25.39Tierrieoh yes it is
05:25.48Elyssahlike i told wobwor1, i'm new to xml programming, and i might be understanding something wrong
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05:25.59Tierrieelyssah have you logged out, restarted wow yet?
05:26.05Elyssahyes
05:26.30Tierrieand the path is correct/unchanged?
05:26.51Elyssahi ran into this problem last evening, been thinking on it all day, looked through it again
05:26.59Elyssahthat is right
05:27.24Elyssahi couldn't figure it out myself, so i came here to find help
05:28.31Tierriewell i quit wow and coding a while ago, so i will just have to see if i'm still a genius
05:28.33Tierriebuahaha
05:28.50Elyssahi hope so...
05:31.08Tierrietry raising the level of your Layer
05:31.21Tierrieyour frameStrata is DIALOG but your level is BACKGROUND
05:31.24Elyssahinstead of background, use artwork?
05:32.13Elyssah"ARTWORK" doesn't work
05:34.17Tierrieone sec i am reading the documentation, i have forgotten quite a bit
05:35.20Elyssahi do appriciate the help Tierrie
05:37.33Tierriegoign to go out on a whim, and say that you shoudl try to anchor your frame name="GuardianRoster" to topleft and bottom right
05:37.53Tierriebut you are sure you restarted wow recently?
05:37.58Tierrielike after you moved the texture?
05:38.03Elyssahyes
05:38.12Elyssahi promise i did. it was the first thing i tried
05:38.34Elyssahbecause it fixed the problem i had when i first got the texture working
05:39.02Elyssahok, so <Anchor point="TOPLEFT" />?
05:39.49Tierrie<Anchor point="TOPLEFT"/><Anchor point="BOTTOMRIGHT"/>
05:39.52Tierriei forget if you can put them together
05:39.59Tierrieso just put them seperately for now
05:41.36Elyssah<Frame name="GuardianRoster><Anchors><anchor1 /><anchor2 /></Anchors><Layers>??
05:41.45Tierrieja
05:42.36ElyssahOMG.... there it is!!
05:42.51Tierrieomg
05:42.55Tierriei am so lucky
05:42.56Tierriei mean
05:42.58Tierriei am a genius
05:43.06Tierriehaha
05:43.11Tierrie<-- lucky
05:43.19Elyssahi'm going to have to remember you
05:43.26Elyssah^,^
05:44.36Tierriei am still kind of amused, i kind of lucked into that solution haha, i figured they are making the width and height = 0, so if you define the anchors it will inherit the parent's width and height
05:44.48Tierrieactually you might try removing the anchors and having the layer inherit the parent too
05:45.05Tierriemaybe it will inherit the width and height
05:45.41Elyssah.... <Frame name ".." inherits="GuardianManager"> ??
05:49.35Elyssahwell that didn't work, lemme make sure i'm doing this right
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05:50.44Elyssahoh... Tierrie? if i plan to put info in these frames, should i change the strata to something lower than dialog?
05:53.05Elyssahsetting the first frame as the parent to the 2nd frame inside it doesn't seem to be working
05:53.30Elyssahat least it isn't doing what i would like it to do
05:55.32Tierrienah
05:55.36Tierriei think the strata is inherited
05:55.45Elyssahah
05:55.59Elyssahi just changed it back to anchoring it
05:56.39Elyssahi'll finish decorating this frame now, then i'll do the other 4, then figure out how to do tabs XD
05:57.52Elyssahoh
05:57.58Elyssahone quick? question
05:59.17Elyssahi'd like to use the lil close out button in my child frames, to close out the whole addon. would you recommend i use a template and insert in all 5 child frames, or just one in the parent frame?
05:59.43Elyssahi suppose it's more of hiding the whole addon, not closing it
06:07.42Cairenn|afkbtw Elyssah, I presume you've seen the lovely new little tool Blizz gave us at BlizzCon? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/
06:08.42Cairenn|afkspecifically the editing ui mod
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06:10.10ElyssahNO.. I HADN'T
06:10.16Cairenn|afklol
06:10.21Cairenn|afkoops caps?
06:10.58Elyssahyes.. sorry.. -_- just finished doing an anchor..
06:11.20Cairenn|afkfrom everything I've been listening to you describing, it is *precisely* what you could use right now
06:11.52Cairenn|afkI've talked about it here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64931&postcount=3 (from the UI panel at BlizzCon)
06:13.44ElyssahXD new toy!
06:13.49Cairenn|afk:)
06:14.02Elyssahthank you so much
06:14.08Elyssahi'm gonan go play with it now
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06:16.42Cairenn|afkyou also, I trust, know about the little trick of throwing your xml into your web browser to make sure all your tags are closed, etc?
06:17.38Elyssahno.. i didn't
06:17.49Elyssahbut i do now =D
06:17.54Elyssahhow do i do it?
06:18.15Cairenn|afkfile - open file - ...
06:18.25Cairenn|afk(in your web browser)
06:18.47Cairenn|afkif there is an error in it that will prevent it from loading, it'll show you the line where it is failing
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06:18.58Wraangerheyaz
06:19.06Tierriejust seheh
06:19.09Cairenn|afkhi
06:19.13BigRedPimpand if you REALLY want to be tricky about it, you could also use an xml validator
06:19.14Tierriehi folks!
06:19.39Elyssahi have been using the trial version of XMLspy, it tells me if there's an error
06:19.45Cairenn|afkyes, you can, this is just a quick and dirty version of that
06:19.57Tierriei just go with never making a mistake ever
06:20.04Cairenn|afkthat works for now, until your trial runs out
06:20.12Cairenn|afkTierrie: you do so make mistakes!
06:20.17Tierrieso far i am 0 in 3000
06:20.18Cairenn|afkyou made a huge one at BlizzCon!
06:20.25Elyssahi was sorta hoping i might be done before th emonth is up XD
06:20.28Tierriei am not good with goals
06:20.40cogwheelElyssah: check out http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML
06:21.05Elyssahwhat's visual studio?
06:21.13BigRedPimpbloatware
06:21.14Tierrieits a nice IDE that most people use
06:21.16BigRedPimpavoid it
06:21.17Cairenn|afkTierrie: you know I'm going to tease you about that for, well, forever
06:21.20Tierrieintegrated developer environment
06:21.21cogwheelBigRedPimp: go away
06:21.24cogwheel:P
06:21.28Cairenn|afkBigRedPimp: that is a matter of opinion, now isn't it?
06:21.28Tierriecairenn: tease me about what? i forget
06:21.37Tierriecairenn: i take the fun out of it by forgetting
06:21.38BigRedPimpit is
06:21.46ElyssahTierrie is a god. she/he fixed my xml
06:21.48cogwheelBigRedPimp: the fact is it's the best freely available xml editor for windows
06:22.01TierrieTierrie is an It
06:22.13ElyssahIt fixed my xml
06:22.15Cairenn|afknope, Tierrie is a (hot) guy
06:22.31BigRedPimpI use PN2 for my xml editing
06:22.35Cairenn|afkwho was a silly silly boy at blizzcon and didn't properly introduce himself and come hang out
06:22.37Tierrieyes i am hot
06:22.40Tierrieare you a single woman Elyssah?
06:22.56Cairenn|afk...
06:23.02Tierriefor backing me up!
06:23.13Tierriegoddamnit
06:23.14cogwheelElyssah: (and BigRedPimp) not only does it do realtime validation against the XSD but it also does code completion. It will only suggest tags that are valid at your current location in the code, suggest any enumerated values for attributes, etc.
06:23.17Cairenn|afkhell with you, I'm not flirting with you any more, traitor
06:23.23Tierrie!!!
06:23.25Tierriecome come
06:23.30Tierrieorgies are fun
06:23.41Elyssahback to my new ui toy
06:23.44Cairenn|afknope, throwing me over for some other married woman, I'm hurt
06:23.47BigRedPimpcogwheel, sorry, I just have a very hard time trusting MS's XML "validation"
06:23.54Tierriei, i, i didn't mean it
06:23.56Tierrieshe meant nothing to me
06:23.58Tierrienothing
06:24.06Elyssahit was just being helpful
06:24.12Tierrietell her elyssah!
06:24.13cogwheelBigRedPimp: methinks you're just anti-ms :P (I used to be as well)
06:24.14Elyssahkindness to the newbie and all that
06:24.16Cairenn|afkElyssah: ;)
06:24.17Tierrielol
06:24.29BigRedPimpyes, very much so
06:24.51Cairenn|afkyou'll get used to this if you hang out in this channel much, especially when it is (for me) late
06:24.51Tierrieits ok elyssah, cairenn teases me so, despite the fact that she is also married
06:24.53BigRedPimpproblem is, I'm stuck with MS products for my line of work but cest la vie
06:24.56cogwheelBlind faith is blind faith whether it goes with the status quo or against
06:25.06Elyssahhmmm...
06:25.28Tierriei've already offered to whisk cairenn off to a carribean island where we would change our names to jose and maria and live out our lives on the beaches
06:25.35Elyssahit's ok.. late at night my guild's vent channel gets down right x-rated
06:25.38Cairenn|afkno you didn't!
06:25.49cogwheelBigRedPimp: so am i... and I hate them sometimes... But the simple fact is that some of their software is the best out there (at least for windows and for free)
06:25.51Tierriei didn't?
06:26.04Tierriewell, i would whisk you off to a carribean island cairenn
06:26.06BigRedPimpnow, my hate for MS aside, maybe I should ask my question and try not to be a troll
06:26.07Cairenn|afknope, just like you didn't properly introduce yourself
06:26.18Tierriewhere you and i would live like a king and a queen, and we would change our names to jose and maria
06:26.21Cairenn|afkBigRedPimp: concept!
06:26.25Cairenn|afk;)
06:26.29Tierrieand we would drink rum and dance till we sweat
06:26.35Cairenn|afktoo late Tierrie
06:26.40Tierriealas!
06:26.50Tierriemaybe cladhaire would do it
06:26.51BigRedPimpis there anything in the API for describing what an enchantID from an itemLink string is?
06:27.01Tierriethen he and i can live like a king and a queen!
06:27.11Tierrieand we would change our names to jose and carlos
06:27.15Cairenn|afkrofl
06:28.18Elyssahi like you all, either of you looking for a guild on an rppvp server?
06:28.28Tierriecairenn runs wowi
06:28.31Tierrieand i quit wow 6 months ago
06:28.35ElyssahO_o
06:28.35Tierrielost 40 lbs
06:28.41Cairenn|afk(hot)
06:28.41Tierrieand am training for a marathon :)
06:28.42cogwheelBigRedPimp: only by giving the link to a tooltip
06:28.44ElyssahTHAT Cairenn??
06:28.47Tierrieyes
06:28.48Tierriethe cute one
06:28.51Tierriewith the cute butt
06:28.53Tierriewant to see?
06:28.56Cairenn|afk!
06:29.02Elyssahi'm surrounded by gods...
06:29.02Cairenn|afkElyssah: yes, that Cairenn
06:29.10cogwheelBigRedPimp: you can save the result in a variable so you don't have to do that every time, but there's no other way to do it programmatically
06:29.12Cairenn|afkI wouldn't go that far
06:29.19Tierriehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tierrie/1023663909/in/set-72157601245280162/
06:29.27Tierrie^ picture of Cairenn!
06:29.31Cairenn|afkTierrie: don't make me spank you
06:29.31Elyssahi sent you a pathetic whiney "i haven't been approved yet" letter...
06:29.42Cairenn|afkElyssah: I know :)
06:29.49Cairenn|afkand you got approved within minutes
06:30.11Tierriedon't you dare elyssah! you're a married woman, and i am known to succumb to temptation
06:30.13Cairenn|afk(well, within minutes of me seeing it)
06:30.25Tierriei'd sex anything that moves
06:30.31Tierrierawr
06:30.35Tierrieexcept fr kirkburn
06:30.38Tierriethat dork
06:31.14Kirkburn:<
06:31.25Tierrieyou left me waiting!
06:31.27Tierrieme angry
06:31.50Kirkburn:O
06:31.52Elyssahi run... i try for an hour every evening
06:32.15Tierriewell you're way better than me elyssah, i can only run for 17 minutes
06:32.24Tierriebut, i am making progress :)
06:32.33Tierrieits ok cairenn
06:32.36Tierrieyou're fit as a button
06:32.39Tierriecute as a button
06:32.49Cairenn|afkno, you're just a horndog
06:32.53Tierrietrue :(
06:32.55Elyssahfull plate.. work part time, go to school, tutor, and lead a guild =D
06:32.57Tierriebut that doesn't make you less cute!
06:33.03Cairenn|afklol
06:33.20Elyssahsome how i'm gonna get to 70 too, and make this addon >,>
06:33.23cogwheelshe loves it too
06:33.27Tierrielol
06:33.47Elyssahbecause i'm tired of juggling 5+ addons and asking my guildies to do the same
06:33.50Cairenn|afkand why shouldn't she? sounds like she has a lot of fun, Elyssah
06:34.11Cairenn|afk(deliberately misunderstands cogwheel)
06:34.34Elyssahme she?
06:34.42Elyssahor is cog a she too?
06:34.51Cairenn|afkno, cog's a he
06:34.52Tierriei hope so!
06:34.53Tierriedamn
06:34.58Tierriecrushing dissapointment
06:35.20Elyssahyou gotta rob the cradle these days Tierrie to get a good woman
06:35.27Tierrieplease
06:35.29Cairenn|afkthere's only a couple of us in here that are actual females, contrary to the usernames
06:35.29Elyssahmy hubby got to me when i was 14
06:35.32Tierriei don't think of it that way
06:35.45Tierrieits more like they are robbing the grave
06:35.58Kirkburn#wowwiki has a better ratio :)
06:36.08Tierriedeath to kirkburn!
06:36.10Elyssahi married him at 18, and next week we go to vegas for our 5yr aniv,
06:36.11Tierriefor bailing on tierrie!
06:36.17Tierriedeath!
06:36.23Cairenn|afkbecause wowwiki isn't a channel of coders :p
06:36.30Elyssahwe have a good girl% in the guardians
06:36.36Elyssaheven have a pair of lesbians
06:36.39Elyssahgood times
06:36.48Cairenn|afkoh lord, you did it now
06:37.08Tierriewoah
06:37.12Tierrieapp url?
06:37.13Cairenn|afksee?
06:37.26Elyssahthere's me, maeva, iri, arlen, wildsong, owi,
06:37.38Elyssahumm.. babs, tara
06:37.44Tierriewow
06:37.47Tierrieits like a buffet
06:37.51Tierrieso many to choose from
06:37.55Elyssahand i think the new recruit's a female as well
06:38.12KirkburnCairenn|afk, coding is a manly job :P
06:38.19Elyssaharuku says he's a gal, but we haven't gotten him on vent yet. and he plays a dirty ol pervert pretty well
06:38.20KirkburnOnly men's men do coding
06:38.20*** kick/#wowi-lounge [Kirkburn!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn|afk (Cairenn|afk)
06:38.26Tierrierotfl
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06:38.32KirkburnNot even a reason! :O
06:38.32Elyssah......
06:38.36Elyssahdo it again!
06:38.44Cairenn|afknaw, he enjoys it too much
06:38.44ckknightgirls don't exist on the internet
06:38.49Tierriei believe the reason is stated as "Cairenn|afk, because I can"
06:38.51KirkburnAbuse! Abuse!
06:38.52ckknightmuch less programmers
06:38.55KirkburnMore abuse!
06:39.14ElyssahI'm having too much fun here
06:39.22Elyssahhttp://guardians.guildlaunch.com
06:39.22Cairenn|afkheh, welcome to the insanity
06:39.23Tierriehey cairenn you going to stay up another 3 hours?
06:39.36Cairenn|afktrying to, hence getting silly in here
06:39.40KirkburnWhat do you have planned that'll take 3 hours?
06:39.44Tierriebabies
06:39.48Elyssahthe eclipse dummy
06:39.49Kirkburnah
06:39.49Cairenn|afkwouldn't you like to know
06:39.51Tierrieand then 2 hours and 55 minutes of "getting to know each other"
06:40.00KirkburnAn eclipse dummy?
06:40.09KirkburnThat's one hell of a baby
06:40.12Elyssahno.. the eclipse dummy
06:40.21Elyssahthere's only one
06:40.27Elyssahhence the "the"
06:40.37KirkburnWell, if it's that large, I'm not surprised
06:40.52Tierriejust kidding about joining btw elyssah, i am still part of a guild, my RL friends are in it and they are hardcore raiders ;)
06:40.54zenzelezzthere's a bunch of girls in my guild, but they all seem linked to other guildies :-|
06:41.02Tierriebut i swore never to play mmorpg for a while anyway
06:41.08zenzelezzthat doesn't stop everyone from being friendly on Vent though
06:41.19KirkburnSo what you mean is "there's a bunch of wives and girlfriends in my guild" :(
06:41.49zenzelezzit's not true unless I admit it!
06:41.49Elyssahi thought i'd plug anyways
06:42.02Elyssahwe've only got 9 70's right now.. so we're not even ready for lil raids
06:42.11KirkburnSo, er, the moon is going to eclipse?
06:42.14Tierrieheh, i hit 70 in 4 days :P i took a week off
06:42.16Tierriein 3 hours kirk
06:42.18Tierrieit starts in 2 hours
06:42.21Kirkburn3 hours where?
06:42.23Tierrietotality in 3.5
06:42.28Tierrie3 hours anywhere in USA
06:42.28Elyssah......
06:42.34KirkburnThe USA is a big place
06:42.37Cairenn|afkyou still on this side of the atlantic Kirk?
06:42.38zenzelezzreal days or 72 played hours?
06:42.40Tierrieso is the moon
06:42.44Elyssahi present to you the eclipse dummy...
06:42.47Tierriezenzelezz: real days
06:42.59KirkburnCairenn|afk, if you mean, on that side of the pacific, yes :P
06:43.00zenzelezzhm, think you beat the first 70 on my realm then
06:43.09Tierriei hit 70 on saturday morning around 4am, got the game on tuesday12am
06:43.33Cairenn|afkKirkburn: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/eclipse.html
06:43.34KirkburnThat's a amazing, you did it backwards in time?!?
06:43.34Tierriei was first 70 on my realm afaik
06:43.37Tierrieyes
06:43.42Tierriei travelled through time
06:43.43Elyssahi've been playing the same char since february... i just turned 66
06:43.48Tierrieso i could hit 70 before the game came out
06:43.49KirkburnC'mon, 70 three days before you get the game, I'm impressed
06:44.00Tierriedude, all the cool kids are doing it
06:44.03Tierrielike McFly
06:44.17KirkburnSee, see that page wot Cairenn|afk linked!
06:44.27Kirkburn3 hours difference between sides
06:44.42Tierriedude
06:44.44Kirkburnhehe
06:44.47Tierriethat's local time
06:44.55Kirkburnlike shut up
06:45.06Tierriesense is the i make
06:45.14Tierriedude you stood me up!
06:45.17Tierriei am still hurt
06:45.23Tierriei got stood up for a english guy
06:45.32Tierrieby an english guy
06:45.39Tierriei will only date redheaded women now
06:45.44Tierriehey there cairenn
06:45.47Kirkburn>_>
06:45.49Cairennnope
06:45.57KirkburnNatural, Tierrie ?
06:46.03Tierrieyes she is i think
06:46.06Tierrieshe's hot
06:46.07zenzelezzthere's always peppy then Tierrie
06:46.11KirkburnFiery
06:46.17Tierriecaliente
06:46.21CairennElyssah: you don't know the half of it, they're being tame tonight
06:46.21Tierriehey elyssah are you a redhead?
06:46.38Kirkburnspicy
06:46.43Elyssahhmmmm?
06:46.48ElyssahI'm sorry.. i didn't hear you
06:46.51Elyssahwhat was that?
06:46.52Tierrieoh
06:46.54Tierriea blonde then?
06:46.58Tierriezing!
06:47.00Elyssahi wish...
06:47.01Cairennlol, saw that one coming
06:47.04Kirkburnhehe
06:47.12zenzelezzblondes are overrated
06:47.17Elyssahi'
06:47.26Elyssahi've never met a blond with freckles...
06:47.44Tierrieblondes are awesome, you can go to their houses, sleep with them, and tell them to go home in the morning
06:48.36Tierrieredheads are awesome too
06:48.45Tierriein fact, my current girlfriend is a redhead
06:48.49Tierrieshe just doesn't know me yet
06:48.50Tierriebut its ok
06:48.56Tierriethat's generally how stalking works
06:49.15Tierriehttp://uk.youtube.com/bandytoaster
06:49.16Cairennsaw a cute t-shirt at one point "blondes tease, brunettes please"
06:49.25zenzelezz:-o
06:49.39Tierriewhat do redheads do cairenn?
06:49.40zenzelezzthat doesn't sound right, I know plenty of teasing brunettes
06:49.53ElyssahCairenn: i'm waiting for the taco jokes and "dicks in ears" jokes to start.. then i might start to become scandalized.
06:50.06Cairennlol
06:50.18Tierriehahaha
06:50.24Tierrieeveryone knows you don't put dicks in ears
06:50.26Elyssahoh... looting boxes is another one that's popular with the rogues...
06:50.47Elyssahever take a close look at nightelf's ears?
06:51.33zenzelezzthe silence leads me to believe people now are
06:51.52Tierriei am going to go with elyssah is not a woman, until she shows us some pictures
06:51.56CairennI swear the grossest taco comment I ever heard was when a former guildmate had a particular feminine problem and when the guys were asking what she was talking about (the women in the guild all knew without needing details), she said there was too much cheese on the taco
06:52.14Tierriei don't get it cairenn
06:52.20Elyssahyou don't need to
06:52.24Tierriei get the analogy
06:52.29zenzelezzyou may not want to
06:52.29Tierriebut what does the cheese represent?
06:52.31Cairennheh, yup, she's female, she knew what I meant
06:52.32Elyssahyou never want to eat a cheesy taco
06:52.38Cairennewwwww
06:52.42Cairenn*shudder*
06:53.04Tierriehm
06:53.08Tierriedidn't know that was possible
06:53.16Elyssah.....
06:53.21Cairennthat's almost as bad as getting your red wings
06:53.26zenzelezzdidn't you (supposedly "accidentally") spam a link about something of that sort in here Cairenn?
06:53.32Cairennno, take that back, it's worse
06:53.35Elyssah><
06:53.36Tierriei like accidents
06:53.37Cairennzenzelezz: nope
06:53.47Elyssahi dunno..
06:53.48zenzelezzthe word gorilla somehow rings a bell
06:53.52Cairennoh, that, yeah
06:54.01Cairennand it was no accident, silly
06:54.07Tierrieoh link!
06:54.11zenzelezzyou claimed so at the time
06:54.17Tierrieplease
06:54.19Tierrieshe's a redhead
06:54.24Tierriethey are naturally friskey
06:54.38Elyssahi don't think i'd want my hubby earning his wings or eating cheesy tacos
06:54.47Cairennewwwww
06:54.54Tierriei don't want to hear about your husband either buaha
06:55.10Elyssahso are you done examining ears?
06:55.37Tierriesuppose so
06:55.45Tierriei am checking out the dancing girl actually
06:55.47Tierrieshe's a redhead too
06:55.50Tierriedid you see that cairenn?
06:55.54Tierrieshe's a redhead, irish!
06:55.58Tierrieshe dances like really well
06:56.06Tierrieshake that booty mamacita
06:56.50Elyssahif you wanna see booty shake, watch a gnome dance
06:56.58Tierriei did a gnome dance with a girl once
06:56.59Tierriein vegas
06:57.01Tierriei was drunk
06:57.02CairennElyssah: http://www.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4&mid=116838775023946604#116838779923946606
06:57.03Tierriei think she was too
06:57.14Elyssahhmm.. clicky...
06:57.39Cairenn(trying to find the original link)
06:58.03Tierrieoh nuts
06:58.09Tierriei read 2 paragraphs and stopped
06:58.14Cairennlol
06:58.32Tierriei am just going to pretend women are men for 1 week every month
06:59.33Cairennah, there it is: http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/66235.html
06:59.52Tierriewow
06:59.55Tierriei am so not aroused
07:00.02Tierriei think my penis went and hide
07:00.04Tierriei am a woman now
07:00.20Cairennoh cry me a fucking river
07:00.30Cairennnot like you have to actually put up with it
07:00.40Tierriehey i have to put up with other things
07:01.02Cairennoh yeah, let's see - oh, the horrors, wet dreams
07:01.03Tierrielike the worst is going out and not knowing what to say, and being nervous all night because you don't know if you're going to get lucky
07:01.10Tierrie:(
07:01.16Elyssahlmao.. she-diaper...
07:01.27Cairennrofl, knew you'd be killing yourself over that
07:01.50Elyssahnot finished yet, slow reader
07:02.04CairennI still sit here with tears streaming down my face from laughing so hard every time I read it
07:02.32Tierriedid you read the "mommy" blog cairenn?
07:02.57Cairennpossibly
07:03.18Cairennlink?
07:03.31ElyssahLMAO i love her choice of words...
07:03.34zenzelezzI stopped trying to understand girls at all when I was told it was "cute" that I didn't speak on voice chat
07:03.47Cairennlol, that would be cute
07:04.02Tierriestarts here - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=130144061675
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07:04.38Cairennhey Iriel :)
07:04.47zenzelezzinteresting time to join
07:05.32IrielWhyso?
07:05.40Tierriewe were talking about mexican food
07:05.44Tierriedo you like tacos iriel?
07:05.47Cairennlol, no we weren't
07:05.50zenzelezzoh dear
07:05.54CairennYOU might have been, but we weren't
07:06.01Tierrie:(
07:06.05CairennIriel: just don't ask, lol
07:06.09Tierriethis would have been funnier if you didn't say anything cairenn
07:06.39Elyssah"Buddy, you don't get a three-day knock in the cluster every month. Guys can go for months, nay, years without a good kick in the balls."
07:06.49Tierriei'd have given gold to hear an englishman exclaim, "why tacos? i love tacos. i love tacos with cheese and sour cream."
07:07.19ElyssahXD
07:07.22IrielI can say I dont like sour cream
07:07.28Tierriehow about cheese?
07:07.30zenzelezzcareful Iriel...
07:07.45CairennIriel: euphemisms
07:07.48Tierriedudes
07:07.51Tierrieyou guys are lousy
07:07.54Tierriewhen your mate walks into a bar
07:08.00Tierrieand you start saying stuff like this to him
07:08.06Tierriethe proper response is to put your face into the beer
07:08.09Tierrienot clue him in!
07:08.32Tierriehilarity ensues and beer goes spitting everywhere
07:08.35Tierrie:(
07:08.36Tierriebut alas
07:08.51Tierrie:(
07:08.57zenzelezzsee what you did?
07:08.59Tierrieno
07:09.07Tierriehe's just being a pal, he's going to walk out the door
07:09.09Tierrieand back in
07:09.11WobinCairenn: http://www.ellenmilliongraphics.com/fantasyart/emgproduct.php?id=1346
07:09.14Tierrieand we can get a do-over
07:09.48Cairenno.m.g! I want!
07:09.58Wobinhehe
07:10.08WobinShe liked it so much, it knocked her off =)
07:10.15zenzelezzapparently so
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07:10.22Tierrieorgasmically good
07:10.25Tierriessh
07:10.28Tierriehi
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07:12.52Elyssahwell...
07:13.13Elyssahi have class in the morning, and if i'm going to sleep, it should start now
07:13.19Elyssahit was a pleasure meeting you all
07:13.22Cairennnight Elyssah
07:13.34ElyssahCairenn, Tierrie, you are both gods
07:13.39zenzelezzwhat, no good night kiss?
07:13.47zenzelezzit's okay if it's just you and Cairenn
07:13.47Elyssahi hope you will allow me to trouble you for aid in the future
07:14.00Elyssahi barely know her
07:14.17CairennElyssah: any time you have questions, you know where to find us now :)
07:14.20Elyssahwe shared a few rag and taco jokes
07:14.21zenzelezzwhat better way to get to know her?
07:15.01Elyssahi require dinner and a movie before i'll consider a kiss
07:15.26Cairennindeed! just how cheap do you guys think we are, anyway? sheesh!
07:15.44Elyssahi know... they think that we go around kissing every mouth we talk to?
07:15.49bleetercheap enough, clearly
07:15.54zenzelezzfine, you'll have your dinner and movie, but then we demand proof of this kiss
07:16.27Cairennbtw, Elyssah, if you haven't already /msg nickserv register [pw]
07:16.43Elyssahit took a ring, and five years of gifts and affection before i put out for my husband
07:16.48bleeterat least Cairenn and I have this unspoken agreement that we're as cheap as each other... she tells me off in here when I'm OTT, I solve her major Pidgin probs... that's quite cheap
07:16.48zenzelezzdon't think you can get away with kissing in private!
07:17.23Elyssahthank you Cairenn
07:17.43Elyssahok, registered
07:17.44bleeternickserv is cheaper, tho
07:18.07zenzelezznot really, if you don't play by her rules she shuns you
07:18.34zenzelezzeven her friends do
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07:19.03Elyssahi'm leaving this time
07:19.05Elyssahi mean it
07:19.30Elyssahnite
07:19.30zenzelezz:(
07:22.01zenzelezzlooks like I still need points in charisma
07:22.13bleeteror just more RL cash
07:22.27bleeterprolly easier for you to achieve that ;)
07:22.41zenzelezzin my experience cash doesn't help for online girls, they just don't want you to know their address
07:23.13bleeterpaypal them some cash 'to go buy some nice shoes'
07:23.24zenzelezztoo impersonal
07:23.42bleeterthat's a win/win though, they get the shoes, you don't have the pain of having to go shoe shopping with a girl :P
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07:28.51CairennTierrie: thanks for the link, I think that actually has a chance of keeping me awake long enough
07:30.51WobinIs it full maintenence this week?
07:40.32Cairenn"This week's scheduled maintenance will begin at 5:00 PDT, Aug 28 and end at approximately 11:00 PDT. blahblahblah"
07:42.17Tierriewhich link cairenn?
07:42.20Tierriethe mommy person?
07:42.25Cairennthe  ... yeah
07:42.31Tierrieshe's funny :D
07:42.36Tierrieif you want more, you can read my sister's blog :P
07:44.45Tierriei mean to do smiley face!
07:44.46Tierriesmiley face!
07:44.46CairennI'm not usually into the whole "blog" thing, but if I'm going to stay awake for another hour or so ...
07:45.01Tierrieoh
07:45.02Tierriehttp://code-poets.org/dr-evil/
07:45.03Tierrieta da
07:45.15Tierrieoh better yet you can check out cuteoverload
07:45.18Tierriehave you seen cuteoverload?
07:45.28Tierriehttp://www.cuteoverload.com/
07:45.56Tierriethis one is my current fav http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/08/puppeh-whistle.html
07:47.13bleeterhey folks, has there been a PTR update in the past 48 hours? Just wondering
07:47.45bleetercouple of comments in the PTR thread kinda make me think there might have been, whilst others make me think not
07:48.44Cairennawwwwwwwww, that's too cute!
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07:50.33Wobin><
07:50.35Wobinso cute
07:52.09bleeterhmm, I guess not http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272298184&pageNo=1&sid=1#3
07:52.17bleeternm, go back to ignoring me! :P
07:52.42bleeteroh, dang, that was live tech, not ptr.. nm
07:59.11Cairennthat isn't a dog, it's a camel
08:00.21nevcairielbleeter: but actually, there was a PTR push last night, if your question is still valid :P
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08:04.58bleeternevcairiel: oO
08:06.44bleeternevcairiel: thanks, getting it now :)
08:14.59sag_ich_nicht~botmail for AnduinLothar: ChatBar is missing /officer fix it please
08:18.22bleeterwereHamster: looks like new PTR update doesn't fix our audio issues
08:19.18bleeterwereHamster: gunna try with current GIT first, this time ;)
08:21.51Tierriewhat isn't a dog?
08:22.05Tierriethat's a puppeh :D
08:22.39Cairennwell, imnsho, it isn't a dog anyway, the video not withstanding
08:23.17Tierrie:(
08:23.22Tierrieits a puppeh!
08:23.34Cairennit's a rat on a rope
08:23.53Tierrieits a puppeh that wants to be a wolf
08:24.09Tierriename: puppeh
08:24.09Cairennit's a rat on a rope!
08:24.12Tierriegoal: become a wolf
08:24.17Tierriecairenn = mean
08:24.27Cairennthis isn't news
08:24.29Tierriehave you seen lolcats?
08:24.43Cairennoh yes
08:25.23Tierriecuteoverload is just too cute
08:25.53Tierriehttp://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/08/perfect-puppitu.html
08:26.05Tierriei looked at it a while ago
08:26.07Tierrieit hasn't started
08:26.13bleeter?
08:26.20Tierrieeclipse
08:26.21bleeteroh, you guys getting an eclipse or something?
08:26.28bleeterwhich sort?
08:26.29Tierrieuh the world is
08:26.32Tierrielunar
08:26.36Cairennyes, and you can see it too bleeter
08:26.56Nom-woot we're about to move up to around
08:27.05Cairennhttp://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/eclipse.html
08:27.07Nom-1200-1300 in overall rankings
08:27.09Nom-for raid progression :D
08:28.00bleeterhttp://www.bom.gov.au/gms/IDE00005.latest.shtml might get lucky wrt cloud
08:28.39bleeteroh, you mean.. see it online.. geez, I fail
08:28.48bleeterso busy rebuilding current development wine in the hope etc. etc.
08:29.40Cairennno, I meant irl
08:30.07Cairennand Tierrie - don't know about where you are, but I'm seeing an interesting haze/flare around it here atm /shrug
08:30.57bleeterhmm, it's pretty hilly 'round where I am.. might be lucky :P
08:33.04Cairennokay, now this one is cute: http://www.cuteoverload.com/
08:33.07Cairenngah
08:33.41Cairennokay, this site sucks, how do I link to a specific pic, hmm?
08:33.44bleeteraye, moon hasn't come over the hill yet.. I reckon prolly got another 30 mins to go... might be lucky
08:34.07bleeterbut cloud cover's at about 1000 feet, pretty thick, occasional gaps... gunna be real lucky if see anything direct
08:36.05bleeterCairenn: like... http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/2007/08/27/under.jpg ?
08:36.24Cairennsomething like that, yeah
08:37.07bleeteri just right clicked, viewed as image... though I note there's a lot of javascript blocking happening in my browser, maybe some script's stopping people from doing that kinda stuff
08:37.18Cairenn*nod*
08:43.48Tierrieright click on it
08:43.50Tierriewhich one is it?
08:44.06Tierrietomorrow
08:44.07Tierriework
08:44.08Tierrieis going
08:44.09Tierrieto suck
08:44.24Tierriegoing to whip out my cameras cya
08:44.40Cairennlater
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09:08.08Tierriehow is the eclipse so far?
09:08.14Tierrietime to see if my shots turned out ok :)
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09:11.12Tierriei think i need a faster compact flash drive
09:11.30Tierriefastarrr! load fastarrr!
09:13.38|Jelly|_It's too hazy.
09:16.27Tierrieits ok here
09:16.34Tierriebut my fucking pictures won't transfer over
09:16.41Tierriei want to see how my first few shots came out
09:16.43|Jelly|_http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=76137 8(
09:16.50Tierriei bet in the next 5 seconds someone is going to steal my camera from my backyard
09:16.58|Jelly|_<PROTECTED>
09:17.19Tierrieffs
09:17.32Tierriei am going to buy a damn compact flash drive tomorrow
09:17.59bleeter...
09:18.02bleeter<PROTECTED>
09:18.07bleeterNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:19.31bleeterPTR update didn't magically fix the Wine audio issues :(
09:19.43TierrieCOPY COPY COPY
09:19.43Cairennah
09:19.49Tierrieso angry
09:21.10bleeter"Why don't games companies start releasing games on Linux" "Because no games company releases on Linux" :/ BASTARDS!
09:21.30bleeterat least my logic makes more sense :P
09:21.38nevcairielheh
09:22.20bleeterwhich is 'gah, too many distros, too hard to cover all... not big enough pool of players to even semi-support two distros'
09:22.33bleeterwe just won't talk about UT etc. ;)
09:23.14nevcairielis there really such a difference for distros when releasing games on linux?
09:23.41Tierrieyes
09:23.50Tierrielinux lacks the graphics libraries that makes programming easy
09:23.54bleeterbig ones imo buggy window managers, not really having a hard grip on the X video driver
09:24.20bleetercan lead to making commercial support a bit of a nightmare if the corporate isn't in 'the mindset'
09:24.30nevcairielopengl ftw?
09:24.33nevcairieldunno
09:24.41bleeteraye, opengl
09:24.48bleeterand openal.. not this fmod junk!
09:24.50Tierrieopengl is harder to code than dx I hear
09:24.53Tierriebut i am not sure
09:24.59nevcairielit is
09:25.01bleeterleast with openal you get support from a soundcard company and apple
09:25.09nevcairielthats why most companies dont care about opengl
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09:25.41bleeterbut it's results are better, which is why apple and high end workstation machines use it
09:25.43nevcairielWoW's opengl mode isnt that perfect as it could be
09:25.47nevcairielhrm
09:25.55nevcairielcant fmod channel into OpenAL as of 2.2 ?
09:25.56bleeterwell, that's my 2c
09:26.21bleeterbest as I can tell, fmod just bugs out in Wine... haven't really dug deep enough into it yet.
09:26.48bleeterwell, 2.2's fmod anyway. the sound log indicates some problem just after speaker detection
09:28.20bleeteroO
09:28.22bleeterhang on
09:28.49bleeter8/22 21:12:09.429  Sound::Initialize() complete
09:28.53bleeter^^ from the sound.log
09:28.59bleeternever got that far before :)
09:29.07bleeterstill bugging out tho somewhere
09:29.52nevcairielthat looks like old wow
09:29.59nevcairiel2.2 has another log format for sound
09:30.09bleetercrap
09:30.12bleeteryer right too
09:30.44bleeter8/28 19:19:16.693   - Detected Control Panel SpeakerMode = STEREO
09:30.49bleeterand that's it
09:32.46nevcairielthey did include fmodex in 2.2 now, dunno if they actually use it yet
09:33.02nevcairielah. they do
09:33.26nevcairielits the development branch of fmod
09:33.29nevcairielnot the stable branch
09:33.33nevcairielmaybe thats your issue =P
09:36.22bleeteryar, it's where my $$ is at for now.. and something in Wine's tripping it out
09:37.26bleeter320MB debug log and growing
09:38.18zenzelezzthat's a little big, isn't it?
09:38.38KalrothKinky
09:41.33bleeternah, last time I did it, was out around 1.2GB
09:41.44bleeterby the time the exception and crash ocurred
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09:49.26bleeter1.4GB seems about right ;)
09:49.36bleeterI do see the exception in the 'trimmed' log tho
09:52.43bleeteryeah, definately something in dsound... lending weight to the fmodex theory
09:53.52bleeterthen seems to get stuck in some infinite loop thing until the whole thing just futzes out :(
09:54.28Cairenntotality
09:55.13CairennTierrie: I'll be interested to see your pictures when you've got them posted - it's dawn here, so while I'm getting bare hints of the colour, I'm sure it's nothing like what you are getting to see
09:56.03bleeterTHE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH!!!
09:56.11bleeterFLEEEEEEEE!!!!
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10:16.19Cairennand on that note, I'm to bed finally
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10:32.43snegoviKif anyone wants likes electronic music and doesnt mind testing my radio station tune in on http://maslov.intersv.com:8000/stream.mp3
10:33.11snegoviKi m just playing around with software, its not gona be there 24/7 =)
10:33.48snegoviK>os.time
10:33.52snegoviKomg -.-
10:33.57snegoviKlua>os.time()
10:33.57cladbotsnegoviK: 1188297012,
10:34.03snegoviK-.-
10:34.18snegoviKlua>os.date()
10:34.18cladbotsnegoviK: Tue Aug 28 06:30:33 2007,
10:34.22snegoviK6 am rofl
10:36.05AnduinLotharwow, i think i just broke my ears putting that on headphones
10:36.20AnduinLotharthe volume was at max...
10:36.29snegoviK:)))
10:36.42snegoviKanduinlothar... sounds familiar
10:36.48snegoviKyou wrote something i used :P
10:37.00AnduinLothargood the hear
10:37.03AnduinLotharto*
10:37.06snegoviKdamagemeters?
10:37.11snegoviKwait lemme check :)
10:37.14AnduinLothari maintain that now, yes
10:37.38zenzelezzhe's written a lot of things
10:37.58AnduinLotharnot sure if it's your upload speed or the fact that i have the bioshock demo dling at 800+kbps but it keeps rebuffering
10:38.54snegoviK:))))
10:39.45KirkburnArf, I forgot about the moon thing ><
10:39.47snegoviKits not an easy question : )
10:39.57snegoviKYou wrote Sea! zomg
10:40.06snegoviKyea no wonder i heard your nick : )
10:41.03snegoviKmy upload atm is around 300K
10:41.04AnduinLotharyou've made my day.
10:41.25snegoviKand it can go down lower i think, cus on the graph i got peak 600
10:41.31snegoviKso it must be bioshock : )
10:41.41AnduinLotharprolly
10:42.14snegoviKcosmos is legendary. first set of addons i ever used
10:43.10AnduinLothar:)
10:43.18snegoviKhm this is bad. the graph has updated
10:43.24snegoviK1000K upload : )
10:43.30snegoviKmaybe its not bioshock : D
10:44.58AnduinLotharyeah bioshock finished, still rebuffering
10:46.52snegoviKprolly the max i can handle is 4 at the same time
10:46.55snegoviKsorry about that :(
10:47.29snegoviKi wonder how it works exactly
10:48.30snegoviKthe bitrate is 128 Kbit/s but then that's only 512 Kbit/s upload for 4 clients, and my upload is around 4 Mbit/s
10:48.32snegoviK2*
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11:08.32sag_ich_nichtAnduinLothar
11:08.38sag_ich_nichtdo a ~botmail read
11:08.43sag_ich_nicht:P
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11:40.04AnduinLotharwell, i beat the bioshock demo...
11:40.37AnduinLothari went really slowly, mainly cause of the creepy sounds, but it was still short
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11:40.56AnduinLothara decent demo tho
11:41.16AnduinLothardon't think i'll buy the game tho.  
11:41.59AnduinLotharas for sag_ich_nicht... It has officer included, but the only availible function to check if you're an officer checks if you can edit officer notes...
11:42.44AnduinLotharunfortunetly there's no CanTalkInOfficerChannel
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11:43.38AnduinLothartho now that i think about it I could just show the button once you've recieved a msg on the officer's channel
11:45.50krkawho is this "tho" you keep talking about?
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11:50.15Mr_Rabies2bwahahaha
11:50.18Mr_Rabies2i love you bottomscanner
11:50.27Mr_Rabies2just got a primal air for about 2g
11:50.36Mr_Rabies2right as the server starts to go down
11:50.44Mr_Rabies2i run it :P
11:51.04Mr_Rabies2actually wait
11:51.07Mr_Rabies2about 30 silver
11:52.48Mr_Rabies2out there, there's someone kicking themselves for listing things for so chaep
11:52.49Mr_Rabies2cheap*
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11:58.20bleeterhah
11:58.43bleeterthe kid who's gunna represent australia @ WCG for C&C:3... had never played the game before he entered the comp here
11:58.49bleeterhttp://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/he-came-played-and-conquered/2007/08/28/1188067085510.html
11:58.52JoshBorkelol
11:59.23bleeterhe asked the guy who was expected to win for some tips.. then went on to beat him lolzers
12:00.21Mr_Rabies2most RTSs have analogus units so it was probably not that difficult if you've played others competitively
12:02.28Mr_Rabies2primal airs usually go for about 32-35g on my server, so 30s is...more than a steal
12:02.35Mr_Rabies2i think i could vendor it for more than that, actually
12:02.43Mr_Rabies2also picked up the netherweave bandage book for 75s
12:02.48Mr_Rabies2the vendor sells it for 2g
12:03.28Mr_Rabies2people just list things without looking and i love it
12:03.42Mr_Rabies2also, i'm sad 2.2 isn't hitting
12:03.43Mr_Rabies2:[
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12:12.58lolinternet[13:43] <+AnduinLothar> tho now that i think about it I could just show the button once you've recieved a msg on the officer's channel <--my point exactly. or just give an option to enable/disable it. :O
12:17.39Industrialhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8144.new#new
12:17.42Industriali just snapped
12:17.51Industrialthey made A library for mounting
12:18.32amrolol
12:19.01amroit has another dependency apparently
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12:21.39bleeterwereHamster: well, least mlankhorst's still rather.. confused and stumped. Kinda get the feeling if he's confused, there's little hope for us mortals ;)
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12:29.00Wraangerheyaz
12:29.51KalrothIndustrial: That does seem rather silly ;)
12:31.00KalrothIt even seems they made a specifically for library to MountLib :)
12:31.05Kalrother
12:31.14KalrothIt even seems they made a library specifically for MountLib
12:32.23Industrialits taking a different for now
12:32.25Industrialcomedy
12:32.47IndustrialITT: what kind of idiotic library can YOU come up with, GO!
12:32.51Industrial>_>
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12:33.59nevcairielAnnoyLib
12:34.06Industrialform*
12:34.07nevcairiel## Note: designed to annoy Industrial
12:34.26amrobleeter: how'd you manage?
12:34.51Industrialr o f l http://www.break.com/index/wussy-skater-fight.html
12:35.06Industrialthats like the guy that gets hit with a pillow and starts crying ahah =D
12:35.20bleeteramro: well... the dsound dll gets unloaded, then wow tries to access either the interface or the driver after unload, so we force the interface and dll to stay up as a hack
12:35.37bleeteramro: just verifying which of those two hacks it was specifically that did it
12:36.31bleeterlooks like it may just be a three line hack to one file is all we need, keep the dll up
12:36.32amronice work :)
12:37.10bleeterwas the wine dsound guy getting me to push the buttons, I barely did anything part from continuosly type in the wrong thing then have to correct it ;)
12:37.33nevcairiellol
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12:48.05clad|sleepboo for downtime
12:48.38Shiriklol @ downtime
12:50.14Mr_Rabies2it's not even productive downtime >;[
12:50.22Mr_Rabies2they're not even patching this week
12:51.07Industrialhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=AxbrXD0kgrQ&mode=related&search=
12:51.13Industrialrussel peters is so good =D
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12:55.17bleeterhmm, US forms down for logins?
12:55.20bleeter*forums
12:55.29ShirikI can't log into WoW either
12:55.33Shiriklike usually during downtime you can log in
12:55.37Shirikit just doesn't let you get into the server
12:55.46Shirikright now it's just saying my password's wrong
12:56.04bleeterwereHamster, Kaydeethree : http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=7855
12:56.10zenzelezzmaybe you got hacked
12:56.14Shirikya ok
12:56.30Shirikand Mr_Rabies: Maybe they're trying to fix that exploit
12:56.41Mr_Rabies2i thought they brought the servers down to fix it
12:56.45bleeterwereHamster, Kaydeethree : that's against WoW git, you may need to vary slightly for your distro/current Wine version.. it's a nasty hack still trying to investigate *WHY* we have to do it (it makes no sense really)
12:56.51Shirikdid they?
12:56.56Mr_Rabies2like
12:56.58Mr_Rabies2yesterday
12:56.59Mr_Rabies2for a restart
12:57.13Mr_Rabies2to fix "the stability issues"
12:57.13Thunder_Childlast post i see was 5 min ago
12:57.32Mr_Rabies2which implies the arena group server crash exploit i think
12:58.48bleeterWHOA
12:58.57bleeterlooks like we might also have VoIP under linux, too
12:58.58ShirikZOMG!
13:00.04bleeterwell, I can select two of my three audio devices
13:00.09bleeterjust not my headset... argh!
13:02.41Mr_Rabies2fail
13:07.07bleeterprolly coz it's a cheap PoS headset ;)
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13:14.55Mr_Rabies2are you on alliance on the pvp server, bleeter?
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13:15.43bleeteryeah, I decided I wanted to be a crazy mofo ;)
13:15.54bleeterwhich basically just meant ghosting to LHC, rezzing, and flying to IF
13:16.18Mr_Rabies2whats your name
13:16.24Mr_Rabies2i wanna test chat :X
13:16.29Mr_Rabies2it was awful before bleeter
13:16.39Mr_Rabies2took me about an hour to get out of ghostlands
13:16.40Mr_Rabies2at least
13:16.44Mr_Rabies2probably an hour and a half
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13:16.48bleeterTiretread
13:16.55bleeterdude... just die.. and ghost it :P
13:17.14Mr_Rabies2spirit ressing resses you at the spirit resser closest to your corpse, no?
13:17.21Mr_Rabies2not the one you talk to necessarily
13:17.40bleeterrezed me @ LHC, my body was somewhere off in ghostlands
13:18.03Mr_Rabies2it puts me at the spirit healer in ghost lands
13:18.12Mr_Rabies2so if i use the spirit healer in lhc it resses me in ghost lands O_o
13:18.20Mr_Rabies2also, you're not on the ptr atm?
13:18.29bleeternope, sorry
13:18.47bleeterjust about to hit the sack.. but add me to friends, or similar, and we'll catch up there for some action soon :)
13:18.57bleeterjust.. not this week, University assignments due still
13:19.08bleetermaybe the weekend ;)
13:19.25bleeters/maybe/definately/
13:19.35Mr_Rabies2i'm gonna be gone at dragoncon, so no dice :p
13:20.02bleeterah, we'll find time... I've been hunting this Wine bug, and promising norgs some PTR test lovin' too
13:20.23bleeterdon't forget that my weekend starts a day ahead of yours.. when do you leave (your time)?
13:20.50Mr_Rabies2thursday probably
13:21.12Mr_Rabies2be back sunday or monday EST
13:21.24Wobinbleeter: omg woot
13:21.27Wobinsound?
13:21.31Wobinhuzzah
13:21.41bleeterMr_Rabies2: that'd be cool, mid-semester break for me next week... WoW 2.2 all the time ;)
13:21.43Wobin(on the other hand, i've heard reports that the actual quality is shocking =P)
13:21.59WobinEspecially with our latencies
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13:23.40Mr_Rabies2my brain just broke
13:23.47Mr_Rabies2you live about 12 hours in the future
13:24.01Mr_Rabies2but your voice will be coming from about 2 seconds in the past
13:25.05bleeterexperience shows it's prolly closer to 1.3 seconds... but yeah ;)
13:26.32WobinOur latency plus your latency
13:27.04WobinAlthough, without direct peer to peer, it'll always be like that kinda
13:27.05Mr_Rabies2my latency is usually about 50-150 depending on how the server's feeling
13:27.15Wobinmine is anything from 300-600
13:29.42bleeterour latency + your latency + indeterminable random processing length. I generally say '3*latency'... though frequently it's a little less.
13:30.13bleeterand if you're a good player, you can predict a fair amount of things happening, just by keeping eyes peeled, so it's really not that big an issue
13:33.07bleeteranywyas, gnight folks
13:38.03IndustrialWobin: ping
13:39.28Industrialor actually, anyone else can help me too with this;
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13:39.44IndustrialI'm going to post in the guild recruitment forum on EU
13:39.46Industrialhttp://industrial.pastey.net/72850
13:39.57IndustrialHow could/should I improve that?
13:40.12mikmasimple: Don't.
13:40.13cogwheelmorning
13:40.36Industrialmorning cogwheel
13:40.39Industrialmikma: ?
13:41.10mikmaposts like that don't work. just pick a server and play
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13:41.31Industrialyeah like i havent tried that before (about 30 times)
13:41.45cogwheelmeow
13:43.06Thunder_Childerr..internet vs. internets?
13:43.16cogwheelintarweb imo
13:44.14Industrialhttp://industrial.pastey.net/72852
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13:48.57Industrialhttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612802837&postId=6123581047&sid=1#0
13:49.20bleeterand some folks would say Win32 > Linux... yeah, you guys fix your audio subsystem yourselves :P
13:49.48ts|skromhuh?
13:50.05ts|skrommy windoze works just fine, some people need to lrn2compute
13:50.44Osagasu...
13:51.04bleeterhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272360911&sid=1
13:51.07bleetergnight.. again
13:51.11cogwheelnn
13:51.17ts|skromlater
13:51.18OsagasuOkay, so apparently one of the curse Devs knows my full name and email addy.  I am very creeped out.
13:51.43KalrothOsagasu: Why? I got that information too, it's right here on my stalker list.
13:51.43cladhairethats sketchy
13:52.06OsagasuI just looked it up, it's Zinor.
13:53.45cladhairelol zeeg
13:53.56OsagasuI don't HAVE a curse account.
13:53.59Industrialzeeg :o
13:54.22OsagasuThere's no way he could have known.  I don't like Zeeg, I'd have never given him personal information, much less my MYSPACE.
13:54.33Osagasu*sigh*
13:54.38IndustrialZeeg(tm), amusement by the litre!
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13:57.23RallionSigh. I request to cancel my web hosting, they say okay, and then two weeks later they bill me for a renewal. Assholes.
13:57.45OsagasuJust deny the payment.
13:57.57OsagasuGranted, it is a PITA.
13:58.01RallionI'll go through the host first, I think
13:58.11RallionI sent them a very whiny email.
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13:58.42OsagasuNo, don't even bother.  Just deny the payment and when they call, tell then you canceled two weeks ago.
14:02.27RallionI have to mail in a form for that, like, by MAIL.
14:02.33Rallionwith paper.
14:03.55ts|skromzomg
14:04.01ts|skromnot PAPAR!
14:04.35Rallionit cuts me.
14:05.51OsagasuWhat kind of card company do you use? o.O
14:06.49cogwheelWhy the hell do people have to swarm the forums on Tuesdays?
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14:07.26cladhaireLULZ SERVER DWN IMO!
14:07.27ts|skromcogwheel you are a warrior, right? what's the defense needed to be uncrittable?
14:07.40ts|skromcladhaire same question
14:07.41cogwheelno idea... i've never been a stat whore
14:09.06Osagasu102.5, right?
14:09.11OsagasuSomewhere around there
14:09.16cogwheel...
14:09.16Osagasuerr
14:09.20Osagasuthat's total avoidance.
14:09.26Mr_Rabies2whatever gives you 5%
14:09.27OsagasuDef alone can't make you uncrittable.
14:09.27cogwheelhas to be greater than 350...
14:09.34Mr_Rabies25% = as close to uncrittable as you are
14:09.41Mr_Rabies2er can be
14:09.41Osagasu490 DEF is the max Defense.
14:09.56Mr_Rabies2it's 415 on druids with 3/3 sotf
14:10.05Mr_Rabies2which is 3% crit reduction
14:10.14ts|skromMr_Rabies2 wouldn't it be more then 5%? 5% would be for level 70 mobs, bosses would need more?
14:10.27OsagasuYeah, but Druids can't become uncrushable.
14:10.44Mr_Rabies2nope, we're permanently crushable
14:10.46ts|skromthanks cladhaire
14:10.57Mr_Rabies2only way to mitigate crush is dodge/parry/block
14:11.05Mr_Rabies2we can dodge
14:11.12Mr_Rabies2but no parry or block
14:11.43cladhaireZ O M G! I got critted at 5xx defense! They sky is falling!
14:11.48cladhaireYou sat down
14:11.48cladhaireProbably the leading cause. You miskeyed, sat down, and took a crit. Best part, the exchange happened in under a second, so your computer didn't even have time to render the sit animation, in all likelihood. Oops. Unbind sit from a hotkey, noob. What are you, some kind of roleplayer? Why would you ever need to sit down
14:11.52cladhaireand this is why I love Satrina :P
14:12.12ts|skromhahah
14:12.34OsagasuI AM a RPer.
14:12.40OsagasuFeh.
14:13.10OsagasuIt's 490 Defense and ~102 Avoidance
14:13.26Mr_Rabies2all i know is 415 defense, or +65, is the cap for druids
14:13.48ts|skromthat doesn't seem like a lot
14:14.01Mr_Rabies2druids with sotf that is
14:14.04ts|skromthat's what... 130 defense rating?
14:14.06Mr_Rabies2without, it's 490
14:14.16OsagasuAnd avoidance comes from Block + Dodge + Parry + Miss chance from Defense
14:14.30Mr_Rabies21 Defense Rating is worth 0.423 Defense Skill.
14:15.22krkahey... does anyone know if wii opera uses the network directly or goes through some wii or opera remote proxy?
14:15.26krkabasically - can i access local intranet by wii opera?
14:15.35Mr_Rabies2so like 154 def rating, ts|skrom
14:16.05Mr_Rabies2krka, i think it's direct but configurable
14:16.07Mr_Rabies2not sure
14:16.49krkathanks
14:17.29Mr_Rabies2i have like 430 in my defense gear
14:17.37Mr_Rabies2i've gotta drop some defense and get some agi/stam instead
14:17.51Mr_Rabies2dropping my trinket will help a ton
14:18.06Mr_Rabies2that's 32 def rating
14:18.30OsagasuIf you have some defense rating socketed, it shouldn't be hard
14:19.12Mr_Rabies2i think i dropped all my DR gems
14:19.15Mr_Rabies2minus one i think
14:19.18Mr_Rabies2still at like 430 :/
14:21.06Mr_Rabies2hrm
14:21.16Mr_Rabies2for some reason the wowdigger profiler doesn't support my realm
14:21.17Mr_Rabies2O_o
14:22.11Mr_Rabies2AHA
14:22.16Mr_Rabies2twas hiding
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14:40.48sag_ich_nicht* UPDATED - /cancelform will be recognized instantly (as /dismount is currently)
14:41.05sag_ich_nichtas if druids aren't OPed enough already -_-
14:41.45Temmeh, I just can't wait to kick ass when they un-nerf me next patch
14:43.18sag_ich_nichtun-nerf?
14:43.24sag_ich_nichtwhat class you playing? -_-
14:44.02cladhairethe resilience gimped one
14:44.26sag_ich_nicht...retribution paladin?
14:44.29cladhairelol no
14:44.34sag_ich_nichtbecause that isn't fixed till 2.3/season three
14:44.42cladhairemages
14:44.44sag_ich_nichtwell, that IS the resilience gimped one tho
14:44.48cladhairewhere their crits hit for less than a normal hit.
14:44.50sag_ich_nichtno, mages need to stfu and stop QQ
14:44.54cladhaire...
14:44.55cladhairewhen a mage crits
14:44.55sag_ich_nicht><
14:44.58cladhaireit should hit for more than 500
14:45.02cladhairedouche-face
14:45.02sag_ich_nichtheh
14:45.07sag_ich_nichtnot in my book
14:45.11sag_ich_nichtimho mages should do no dmg at all
14:45.14sag_ich_nicht>:O
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14:48.52abugI don't care how much it hits my grounding totem for
14:50.01cladhaireHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
14:50.04cladhairehttp://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSecretDiaryOfSteveJobs/~3/149240713/stop-making-fun-of-this-young-woman.html
14:50.05cladhaireshe is such the win
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14:53.13ts|skromYou almost want to say... "it's a good thing you are pretty, otherwise..."
14:53.21cladhaire:P
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14:54.51pastamancerhahaha
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14:56.42mikmacladhaire: i agree. win.
14:57.15[Liquidor]Anyone got any ideas on how to keep TalentMicroButton hidden?
14:58.01mikma[Liquidor]: TalentMicroButton:Hide(); TalentMicroButton.Show = nil
14:58.17mikmaerrr
14:58.25mikmanil = function() end
14:58.33cladhairefunction noop() end TalentMicroButton:Hide(); TalentMicroButton.Show = noop
14:58.39snegoviKrofl
15:00.25[Liquidor]Ehm but, what difference would it make to clear the .Show ?
15:00.43cladhaireso it can't be shown again.
15:00.49cladhaireby some code, somewhere in the UI
15:01.44[Liquidor]Didn't know you could block frames from being shown by setting a .Show attribute to nothing (aka function() end) :S
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15:02.06cladhaireits just overwriting the frame's show method, and yeah, it works :P
15:02.10mikmawell there you go. you jsut learned something new :)
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15:06.46[Liquidor]Now I'm just 1 step away from a complete addon: ...
15:06.47[Liquidor]ReputationWatchBar:SetPoint("TOP", "MainMenuBar", "TOP", -30, 1);
15:07.15[Liquidor]The above code won't move the repbar or at least something moves it back to its original possition
15:07.48mikma[Liquidor]: most likely it's blizzard controlled
15:07.49[Liquidor]Possible to lock it or something similar?
15:07.53[Liquidor]ye ino
15:08.07mikmajust a sec
15:08.24[Liquidor]same with the talent micorbutton, blizz shows it whenever some events are fired, altho the .show attributed helped on that part
15:08.53mikma[Liquidor]: here's what i did. PetActionButton1.SetPoint = function() end <- that is called when addon gets loaded.
15:09.00mikma[Liquidor]: http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/MiniBar/Frames/PetActionBar.lua
15:09.12alestaneI believe there are code hooks that check where the Rep bar should be shown, based on whther yuo're max level and whether you're watching any reputation.
15:09.36mikma[Liquidor]: after pew you can nil the .Show to get the function working, move it to where you want and then .Show = function() end
15:09.51mikma[Liquidor]: or, you could try :SetUserPlaced(true)
15:10.13alestaneBut the Rep Bar doesn't need any secure functionality, so you *should* be able to replace its methods (always depends on whether any other function calles any of its routines).
15:10.17[Liquidor]doesn't .SetPoint = noop work as well?
15:10.59[Liquidor]as a referrence on what cladhaire said
15:11.02mikmayeap
15:11.11zenzelezzwhat if something ClearAllPoints() it then?
15:11.49mikmai don't think anything happens
15:11.56cladhaireit just de-anchors it
15:11.57cladhairedoesn't move it.
15:12.53[Liquidor]Well clearing .SetPoint worked out
15:12.57[Liquidor]Thanks a mill.
15:13.16[Liquidor]Now I got my nice little mini-mainbar :)
15:18.19[Liquidor]http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6896/wowscrnshot082807171146bb3.jpg
15:19.10Wraangercan you share your code, Liquidor ?
15:19.20Industrialheh, fun [Liquidor]
15:19.28Industriali'd need more bars on top tho
15:19.36Industrial2 more :3
15:20.20Industrial[Liquidor]: whats that DPS chart?
15:20.25[Liquidor]Recount
15:20.31Industrialok
15:20.40[Liquidor]shows graphs too and other stuff
15:20.52Industrialgogo release that bar addon on wowi :o
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15:21.40[Liquidor]I still got some issue with it
15:22.21Industrialok
15:24.04alestaneDoes anyone know, is the number of action pages fixed at six, or could you change the upper limit by modifying NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES?
15:24.15Shirikdon't touch that
15:24.22Shirikunless you want to completely destroy the UI :P
15:24.22alestaneTaint?
15:24.26Shirikvery much so
15:24.31cladhaireand its fixed
15:25.05cog|workalestane: that is in fact the first example of taint I give in the chapter I'm working on ><
15:26.10alestaneJust 'cause I'm considering a bar structure with 8 buttons/page, which means up to 15 pages...wondering if it could be made to work with [actionbar:x]...sounds like not under the present system.
15:26.17Shirikso.... does anyone know where I can get the utils, whatever, to create MSI packages?
15:26.47ShirikI assumed MSDN
15:26.59cladhairewhy do you want an MSI?
15:27.01cladhairewhy not an .exe using one of the free software packagers?
15:27.16cladhairehttp://www.advancedinstaller.com/
15:27.19Industrialwhy create a package :D
15:27.21ShirikWell I used NSIS
15:27.31Shirikbut I figured an MSI packager would be free
15:27.34Shirikam I wrong?
15:27.38cladhaireI don't know
15:27.50cladhairethere's not much of a difference
15:28.02Shirikit's true
15:28.16alestaneDon't really see why there needs to be an upper limit on ChangeActionBarPage() in any case, but hey
15:28.40cog|workCreating an MSI is actually quite complicated. That's why most places use Wise, InstallShield, or any other number of generation programs (there are some free ones out there)
15:28.54cladhairealestane: because there are only 6 action bar pages.. its as simple as that.
15:29.00cladhairethere aren't any more action button ids.. so its capped.
15:29.13alestaneThere are 120 action slots.
15:29.18cladhaireyes, and only 6 pages
15:29.20cladhairethe rest are for stances
15:29.30alestaneI know that druids need them all.
15:29.46alestaneBut again, what if you wanted to use a smaller page?
15:29.46cladhairethey're reserved for all characters
15:30.01cog|workalestane: this is the reason they let us write addons :P
15:30.03cladhairethen you code your own stuff.. the default UI doesn't support anything like that.
15:30.07cladhaireintentionally
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15:30.18cog|workShirik: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
15:30.52alestaneWell, right. Addons can do that, except up to the point of supporting, say, a macro that says [actionbar:8]
15:31.05Shirikcog|work: might as well stick with NSIS then
15:31.11Shiriksince I've already gotten the script all worked out
15:31.12cladhairewell, that macro uses the default ui action bar system.. you can't have both
15:31.19ShirikI just thought Microsoft's packager might "support" better
15:31.28cladhaireif they made the UI as customizable as you want it.. where you can tweak every single aspect.. we wouldn't have a game to play right now :P
15:31.32cladhaireinstead they let us make uis.
15:31.41cog|workalestane: if you're using a custom action bar, you can use the button conditional and use whatever the state names are for the different "pages"
15:32.10cog|works/state names/statebutton names/
15:32.43alestaneI've made that exact same argument to a gnome a few weeks ago, I know why the interface is perfectly customizable out of the box.
15:32.47alestaneisn't**
15:33.11cladhaireif you want to submit a frame XML diff that supports smaller pages, and more pages.. feel free
15:34.05alestaneI'm actually working on a modified FrameXML that DOES use attributes and states to handle the main action bar...is there a good venue for submitting it?
15:34.22cladhairethrough the forums, so other people can look at it.
15:35.07alestaneThe usual Bliz forum, where people are always asking us about model changes, name this mod, and Rate My UI, or another one?
15:35.23cladhaireand where we discuss upcoming and proposed changed in an intelligent manner, yes.
15:35.32cladhaireits not just a cesspool
15:35.36cog|workalestane: perhaps the UI Suggestions - Concise List thread
15:35.38Shirikheh
15:35.38cladhairealthough it's tough to tell
15:35.47alestaneI wasn't actually saying that to dis the forum, I love the Suggestions thread and some others.
15:35.56cladhairewell the forum is a cesspool :P
15:35.59cladhairebut it has bright spots
15:36.07Shirikam I a bright spot?
15:36.09alestaneThat's my I have it open right now.
15:36.12alestanewhy*
15:36.17cladhairenot until you ACE RDX
15:36.23Shirik=(
15:36.36dylanmOverall it certainly is... even the topic titles are just wretched.
15:37.27alestaneI've had some great bright spots, just yesterday I wrote a mod in ten minutes that the OP declared was now mandatory for their guild.
15:37.36cladhairelol
15:37.37cladhairewhat was it?
15:37.43dylanmEvery class forum has a "CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNTS AND SEND VIVENDI A PERSONAL LETTER" one. It boggles the mind.
15:37.55dylanmYes, we're all curious now!
15:38.07dylanmWell, two of us at the least.
15:38.18cladhaire:P
15:38.22alestaneIt prevents hitting the attack key, or melee abilities like Heroic Strike and Sinister Strike from auto-targetting the nearest mob when you have no target.
15:38.44Shirikthey do that?
15:38.58cladhaireyes
15:39.00alestaneYep...great for scrums, bad for sheep.
15:39.03Shirikhuh
15:39.49alestaneAutoThrottle prevents that, they will only work when you have an actual target, so people can pick up the next mob and make sure it's not CCd before they start wailing on it.
15:40.08alestaneIt's just a keybind that toggles between that and the normal behavior.
15:40.46alestaneOnly gets the main bar though, so won't work with custom actionbars or Bliz MultiBars. That could be fixed, just not a 10-minute mod anymore at that point.
15:42.12alestaneBut if people are interested in a sensible critique of a more SecureTemplates-based model for the stock action bars (changes to implementation, not visible behavior, to be more easily modded), I will absolutely write it up and post a link on the forums.
15:42.54cladhaireplease do, I guarantee you there are people here that are interested in it.
15:43.48ShirikAll they have to do is give us access to securecall
15:43.50Shirikimo
15:43.57cladhaire...
15:44.00Shirik:D
15:44.16cladhaireor you could not suck at life.. that would be just as good
15:44.22Shiriksecurecall(function() NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES = 100; end);
15:44.23alestaneProbably be about a week or two then, I expect changes to SecureTemplates (for state support across attributes), ActionButton and MultiActionBars.
15:44.25Shirikall's good
15:45.32nevcairiellol
15:45.45Shirikhonestly I don't see the purpose of all those buttons, but I also don't use stances, etc.
15:45.56nevcairieli use about 7 pages
15:46.02alestaneMy usual ambition is to be able to modify any aspect of the Stock UI (within the established designer intention limits) without having to completely replace it.
15:46.03nevcairielbeing a druid
15:46.59alestaneAnd since a lot of the stock components rely on their security rather than going through teh Secure Frames, they break when you touch them.
15:47.26alestaneOh well, all-staff barbeque in 10 minutes, be back later.
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15:48.35Shirikcog|work: You know a lot about vista, yeah?
15:48.52Shirikhow come I keep downloading stuff that doesn't exist
15:48.54cog|workI use it... don't know what qualifies as "knowing a lot" :P
15:49.02Shiriklike firefox has downloaded 3 things for me now to my desktop
15:49.05ShirikI go to desktop, it's not there
15:49.07alestaneOh, and one of my concepts of how action bars can work securely is in the last couple pages of the UI Suggestions thread, look for 'actionoffset' to get an idea of what I'd like. Slouken made a response to part of the idea that suggests he might also be interested.
15:49.10alestaneBBL
15:49.23Shirikbut I go to tools->downloads and hit open, and it has no problem running it
15:49.27cog|workShirik: never had a problem like that
15:49.41cog|workwhat appens when you "open location" instead of "open"?
15:49.43Shirikand this isn't the first time - I used IE to download some mail attachments about 20 times
15:49.52Shirikto my documents folder... that doesn't exist >..
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15:50.04Shirikit opens C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Desktop
15:50.11Shirikand I see it there
15:50.23cog|workclick on the desktop and hit F5
15:50.35Shirik=(
15:50.38Shirikstupid desktop
15:50.59ts|skromlol?
15:51.00cog|worki've never had that problem... don't know why it would be doing that to you
15:51.08ts|skromthe desktop isn't autorefreshing?
15:53.36Shirikapparently
15:54.12Shiriknow I need to figure out how to mount this IMG file for VS 2008
15:54.24Shiriks/how/the easiest way/
15:55.12cog|workShirik: if you're using Visual Studio (the full version) it has a setup project type for building MSI packages...
15:55.20Shirikdoes it?
15:55.24Shirikeh, well
15:55.24nevcairielmm those secure buttons are driving me crazy
15:55.27nevcairiel(again)
15:55.28ShirikI kinda am
15:55.32Shirikbut it's not that simple
15:55.48ShirikIt has a C Win32 Executable but it also has other components
15:55.50Shirikdoes that matter?
15:56.07Rallionthe easiest way to mount images is always daemontools
15:57.27nevcairielI have this macro, and i was wondering if its even remotely possible todo the same functionality from a secure button .. i tried some stuff, but i couldnt make it work so far.. http://wowi.pastey.net/72856
15:57.45nevcairiel(without macrotext)
15:57.50cog|workShirik: you can put whatever you want into it
15:58.06cladhairewell macrotext exists so you can do these sorts of things easily
15:58.07cladhaire:P
15:58.33nevcairieli would love to stick to an actual action, rather then macrotext
15:58.51cladhairewhat do you want the button to do?
15:58.56cladhairei'm behind on my  macro-fu.. what does that doe?
15:58.58cladhaire-e
15:59.26nevcairielwhen i target an enemy, check his target, if friendly cast on that
15:59.41nevcairielif target friend, cast on that, if no target, glowing hand
16:00.17cladhaireafaik, you can't have [harm], then change the target and have a [help] via attributes
16:00.27cladhaireit would require massive changes to the secure button onclick
16:01.05nevcairielguess i'll have to sneak some macrotext in
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16:05.12nevcairielright now i have like 10 macros, one for every heal or dispell
16:05.19nevcairieland i want to get that feature into bartender3
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16:08.48stupiditymornin' all
16:09.18Shirikmorning
16:10.25stupidityjust a quick question (or 3 or 4) Would it be feasible to write an addon that instead of displaying your skills as (for example) swords 119/135, displaying them as xp bars instead?  
16:10.37Shiriksure
16:10.43stupidityhow would one do that?
16:10.44Shirikactually fairly simple
16:11.01nevcairielisnt that like an xp-bar already on your skills page?
16:11.02Shirikyou would create a status bar frame, query the level, and set the values on the bar
16:11.13stupidityyeah I said that wrong
16:11.40stupidityI'm looking to display the amount of experience per level of the skill
16:11.59nevcairielnow i dont get what you mean :D
16:12.03stupiditylol
16:12.17ShirikI think I see
16:12.22stupiditywhen you're leveling a skill it's got to have "points" to define how far until you get to the next level
16:12.23Linhi all
16:12.25Shirikexcept your problem comes up in that it isn't an experience levle
16:12.30Shirikit's essentially random
16:12.45Shirikyou can prove this because it can take longer to go from 120 to 121, and then on the next hit get 122
16:12.47nevcairielyou basicly want to get the data how "long" its going to take for the next point?
16:12.59stupiditynev: yes
16:13.15nevcairiellike Shirik said, you can guess, but it will be off.
16:13.34stupiditycrap.  oh well.
16:13.41ShirikJava Result: 14
16:13.41ShirikBUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 36 seconds)
16:13.45Shiriksince when is code 14 "success" ?
16:13.51Shiriksometimes I want to slap people
16:13.59nevcairielthats java
16:14.01pastamancer#define SUCCESS 14
16:14.02nevcairielprolly success
16:14.03nevcairiel:P
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16:15.09stupidityand the second question along totally different lines, I've seen a lot of talent build calculator addons, is there a way to automate the process?  So that way at level 10 when you first get access to the talents you input the build you want and then everytime you level the talents are chosen for you in the order in which you selected?
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16:16.17[Liquidor]dunno if placing a skillpoint requires keypress
16:17.42stupidityhow would I check that?
16:18.38art3mis"technically you could do it with autoit"
16:19.09art3misyou can do the planning without though in talented though, which i believe "did" have the ability to auto assign points at one time
16:19.23art3misnot sure if it still works properly though
16:20.04sag_ich_nichthttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7496-ForumToCPoster.html
16:20.22sag_ich_nichtcog|work i don't know if this is made out of bitterness, hate, pure annoyance or cynism
16:20.26sag_ich_nichtbut it's damn awesome.
16:21.12cladhairedoes dreadlorde comment on every single new file on wowi?
16:21.12Shiriksag_ich_nicht: That would be awesome if it didn't use .NET
16:21.14cladhairei kinda think he does
16:21.35ShirikBut since it does, it only contains a moderate amount of awesomeness
16:22.14sag_ich_nicht[18:21] <Shirik> sag_ich_nicht: That would be awesome if it didn't use .NET <--shut up and quit the whine
16:22.20ts|skromhe should have stopped two comments ago
16:22.22sag_ich_nichtotherwise i'll load up the current build of conspiracy
16:22.26sag_ich_nichtand whine for the next 2 hours
16:22.26ts|skromForum posts: 1339
16:22.29Shiriklol
16:22.32Shirikit doesn't have any errors!
16:22.37sag_ich_nichtO RLY
16:22.46cog|worksag_ich_nicht: a bit of all the above :P
16:23.02stupidityalright guys thanks for the help
16:23.03ShirikGOTO 10
16:23.03ShirikRUN
16:23.14nevcairielman you really put alot of work into that cog|work :D
16:25.18sag_ich_nichtTHERE
16:25.20sag_ich_nichtLOOK AT HIM
16:25.22sag_ich_nichtHE RUNS AWAY FROM ME
16:25.25sag_ich_nichtin FEAR
16:25.49nevcairielhe placed himself in a basic endless loop
16:26.10sag_ich_nichtno, because in basic, 10 is just a variable, he could number it like this:
16:26.11sag_ich_nicht20
16:26.12sag_ich_nicht40
16:26.14sag_ich_nicht25
16:26.15sag_ich_nicht10
16:26.20sag_ich_nichtand have it jump to 10 in 20
16:26.21sag_ich_nicht:P
16:26.41nevcairielwho does that?
16:26.42sag_ich_nicht(of course, that's a jerk thing to do)
16:26.50sag_ich_nichtjerks.
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16:29.20cog|workShirik: u gief 500$ 4 realbasci i mak xplatform
16:29.32Shiriko.o
16:29.41nevcairiellol
16:29.46Valaron|Workhaha
16:30.10cog|work<Shirik>sag_ich_nicht: That would be awesome if it didn't use .NET
16:30.22Shirikoh what you didn't like that comment? :P
16:30.43cog|worki don't mind the comment... I just hope they get Mono a bit more polished soon...
16:30.53Shirikgo back to the roots
16:30.55Shirikwin32 assembly
16:31.08cog|worksure, if you want me to release the next version in 2009...
16:31.21cog|workand have no chance of portability EVEAR
16:31.28cog|work:P
16:31.53sag_ich_nichtshut up
16:32.00sag_ich_nichtand code that in x86 ASM
16:32.18sag_ich_nichtmacs are x86 too now, after all
16:32.31sag_ich_nichtso it will run on everything that can WoW with a remotely stable framerate
16:32.32sag_ich_nicht:P
16:32.32cladhairezomg lies.
16:32.32art3misokay so this site is awesome
16:32.37sag_ich_nichtyou jut can't use it on anything else
16:32.44art3misits  a collection of stuff voerheard in new york city
16:32.50art3misLost tourist on cell, blocking the crosswalk with her luggage: I'm standing on the corner of 42nd and 3rd.
16:32.50art3misPassing native: Yeah, and in everyone's mothafucking way.
16:32.50art3mis--42nd & 3rd
16:32.56sag_ich_nichtno, all macs are now x86. no exceptions. if i see a PPC mac, i destroy it... WITH MY MIND!
16:33.17art3misthat must take a REALLY long time sag
16:33.25sag_ich_nichtno
16:33.33sag_ich_nichti just use my mind to make my hands grab an axe
16:33.39sag_ich_nichtand then the destruction starts
16:34.36art3misGirl #1: Ever notice how tightly girls hold onto their boyfriends when they are walking through Chelsea?
16:34.36art3misGirl #2: Right? It's like they're afraid he's going to run out into traffic and get hit by a truck.
16:35.00art3missag_ich_nicht: that still might take some time, what with you being "blue light" and all
16:35.27sag_ich_nichthuh?
16:36.57art3misthats my new "phrase"
16:37.11art3miskmart used to have blue light specials for cheap crap in the wtore
16:37.13art3misstore
16:37.24sag_ich_nichtwell
16:37.24art3misso if you call someone blue light you're saying they're special
16:37.32sag_ich_nichtthat's great
16:37.34art3miskind of like reffering to them as shortbus
16:37.40sag_ich_nichtbut i'm not living anywhere near kmart
16:37.46sag_ich_nichtnot even same continent :P
16:37.51art3misthat doesnt mean you're not special sag ;)
16:37.54Mr_Rabies2Passing native: Yeah, and in everyone's mothafucking way.
16:38.02Mr_Rabies2can't tell this is a new york native
16:38.04Mr_Rabies2:P
16:38.06art3misMr_Rabies2: this site is awesome
16:38.43art3misits even funnier living hear, and knowig that some people read the site thinking its made up, yet everyone whos local can see each and every one of these things happening ;P
16:39.55Mr_Rabies2i don't think i could live in new york
16:39.59Mr_Rabies2everyone's too angry and rushed
16:40.09Mr_Rabies2nyc that is
16:40.12art3misWhite guy on cell: Yo, shit nigga, this shit the bomb!
16:40.12art3misBlack guy: If you close your eyes, he almost sounds like the real deal.
16:40.17sag_ich_nichtalso
16:40.19art3misive heard that one
16:40.23sag_ich_nichtart3mis
16:40.28Mr_Rabies2i'm a country boy :X
16:40.29sag_ich_nichtsince you are being so "nice"
16:40.38sag_ich_nichtlet me tell you very unsubtily: fuck you
16:40.39sag_ich_nicht:P
16:40.40Mr_Rabies2even going to atlanta is too fastpaced and crazy
16:40.56art3misthanks big guy, that means a lot coming from you...
16:41.05art3misactually no wait... whats that word for "i dont care?"
16:41.08art3mis;)
16:41.22sag_ich_nichtnevermind? :P
16:41.27art3misheh
16:41.28sag_ich_nicht(well, not really, but...)
16:42.34Wraangerquestion ...if we need to set identical backdrop etc for two frames ..how it could be done ? smth like for i=1,2 do "frame"..1:SetBackdrop ? or else ?
16:42.57zenzelezzif you're just doing two frames, don't use a loop
16:43.01cladhaireyou can just frame1:SetBackdrop(backdroptable) and frame2:SetBackdrop(backdroptable)
16:43.05zenzelezzunless you don't know the names
16:43.29Wraangernames are frame1 and frame2 respectively )))
16:44.39Wraangerthere are not only back drop ...also height, width, frame level etc ...they are exactly the same for both frames so I thought it would be beneficial to use the loop ...
16:45.15cladhairedon't pre-optimize
16:45.21cladhaireget your code working in the most obvious way possible
16:45.25cladhairethen refine it over time :P
16:45.36Wraangerummm..... interesting idea )
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16:46.05cog|workWraanger: Error: Unmatched ')' (4 occurrences)
16:46.08cladhairenot an idea..a princple you should live by.
16:47.04Shirikcog|work: Glad to see you use protection and didn't segfault
16:47.34cog|workwould having a kid be a core dump?
16:47.44Shirikhaha
16:47.54sag_ich_nichtcog|work no
16:48.07sag_ich_nichtthat'd be when you use object oriented programming and compile.
16:48.13sag_ich_nichtduh
16:48.19art3misBlack hipster #1: Hey, remember ugly-ass Anthony from back in high school? I saw him on the R train the other day.
16:48.19art3misBlack hipster #2: Does he still look like the Predator?
16:48.19art3misBlack hipster #1: Yeah, but with male pattern baldness.
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16:51.45|Jelly|_Jelly is tired. Nothing to be puzzled about.
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16:57.21art3miscog|work: reading a site with quotes overhead in new york
16:59.33art3misGuy #1: I don't get why they call it the 7 Years War if it didn't really take 7 full years.
16:59.33art3misGuy #2: Well then, why don't you write your own motherfucking textbook about history and call it whatever the fuck you want? And nobody will read it, because you don't know shit about what we're doing second semester!
16:59.45art3mishahahah
17:02.57Wraangercan anyone remind me what was the code string for making chat justify to right instead of left ?
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17:05.13zenzelezzthink it's :SetJustifyH("RIGHT")
17:06.24zenzelezzdon't know what you need to call it on
17:08.41Wraangeryeah, that's it ..thanks
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17:10.13cog|workis the change that eliminates the need for /stopcasting coming in 2.2 or 2.3?
17:10.47zenzelezzwhat change is that?
17:11.46cog|workAction in progress checks performed by the server instead of the client
17:11.46zenzelezzah, nice
17:15.41sag_ich_nichtcog|work 2.3
17:15.57sag_ich_nichtbut it recieve some additional polish in 2.4, afaik
17:16.22Wraangerquestion : how can font for the chatframe be set ?
17:17.34sag_ich_nicht2.2 is straining the servers enough already i think cog|work
17:25.29Shiriksag_ich_nicht: Those checks are already performed by the server
17:25.50Shirikthey're just essentially eliminating the client-side check
17:33.47sag_ich_nichti don't think that's all they do, Shirik
17:34.14Shirikthat's irrelevant. The point is that there is no additional strain on the server
17:34.26sag_ich_nichti think there will be.
17:34.48ShirikYour reasoning being?
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17:36.28sag_ich_nichtbecause then they wouldn't "eliminate the need for /stopcasting", to quote blizzard. you could/would have to still use quartz or similiar to maximize your dps
17:36.56Shirikyou're evading the question
17:37.30sag_ich_nichtwell, my reasoning is that to do what i just said, they will have to do some additional server sided calculations/checks
17:37.42ShirikYou haven't said one additional check that needs to be done
17:37.48cog|workit would technically give the server a bit more work
17:37.49ShirikAll of what you've said is already done now
17:37.55zenzelezzwhy? The server already checks if you're doing something, anything else would be a call for exploits
17:37.57ShirikThe server already does these checks anyway
17:38.00Shirikexactly
17:38.06sag_ich_nichtyes. but not for
17:38.06cog|workas it is now, the cast isn't sent to the server if you have an action in progress
17:38.07sag_ich_nichtgeez
17:38.14sag_ich_nichtexactly
17:38.19cog|workhence the /stopcasting hack
17:38.25Shirikcog|work: However, it /can/ be, i.e., lag, exploit, etc.
17:38.29ShirikAnd the server still rejects it
17:38.35Shirikwhich implies that the server already does these checks
17:38.36sag_ich_nicht...
17:38.38cog|workit's not the server that rejects it though
17:38.46sag_ich_nichtit's the CLIENT that rejects it
17:38.59ShirikYou can tell it is the server, because there's a latency between the time you click the button and when you get "Another action is in progress"
17:38.59cog|workif your cast bar is up, the client thinks you're casting, when you try to cast something new it doesn't send it to the server
17:39.01sag_ich_nichtyou break the cast at 95% casting time with /stopcasting to get the cast started because you know it's done at the server already
17:39.07Shiriknop
17:39.09Shirikthere are two checks
17:39.15ShirikFirst the client checks. You'll see that instantly
17:39.33ShirikThen it's passed to the server. The server checks. You may still be given back a response "Another action is in progress"
17:39.46ShirikIt's evident from the fact that it can take almost a second to get that response
17:39.48sag_ich_nichtShirik so you remove the client check, that's more queries to the server. additional checks.
17:39.58sag_ich_nichtQED
17:39.58ShirikThere are zero additional checks
17:40.03ShirikIt already checks it.
17:40.09sag_ich_nichtthere are more QUERIES to the server
17:40.14ShirikMore what queries?
17:40.18Shirikstart spellcast queries?
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17:40.20ShirikThat are sent anyway?
17:40.39ShirikIf it's rejected, you get an error back. If not, you get a cast off.
17:40.44ShirikEither way you're looking at the same
17:40.55cog|workbut it's not the server that rejects it
17:40.57sag_ich_nichtno, because the client blocks them if it's local castbar check sees another action is in progress, it never gets to the server
17:40.58ShirikIf you're talking about the tiny amount that the client blocks
17:41.03ShirikYou have got to be kidding
17:41.07cog|work<PROTECTED>
17:41.07sag_ich_nichtno, i'm not
17:41.18sag_ich_nichtit's more server load, no matter how little more
17:41.19sag_ich_nicht:P
17:41.24Shirikok, so wait hang on
17:41.27cog|workso that it will allow another cast to be sent to the server
17:41.33Shirikif everyone on the server started spamming their buttons like mad
17:41.36amrothere's isn't always a castbar up when you're doing something
17:41.38Shiriklet's assume that we've got 10k people on the server
17:41.53ShirikNOW we have a problem
17:41.55Shirikbut let's be realistic
17:42.01ShirikIs everyone going to be trying to DDoS the server?
17:42.03ShirikI think not
17:42.14sag_ich_nichtnot intenionally, but still.
17:42.27ShirikYou're talking about like 2 extra packets a second... at worst
17:42.38Shirikunless you're intentionally trying to kill the server
17:42.42sag_ich_nichti guess they WILL have a new DDoS check of some kind at the server, just in CASE someone tries to abuse it.
17:42.46Shirikwhich could be done anyway
17:42.50Shirikit can be done now
17:42.52Shirikit's pointless
17:42.59ShirikThe server still does these checks
17:43.00zenzelezzyou're likely to have more traffic from addons already than from extra actions
17:43.01Shirikit's nothing new
17:43.05sag_ich_nichtif i want to kill the server, i throw a tactical nuke on paris
17:43.11sag_ich_nicht(which i'd do anyway, if i could)
17:43.33sag_ich_nicht~whalenuke Paris
17:43.34purlACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Paris with his mind powers
17:43.44zenzelezzgood thing my server is in Frankfurt
17:44.28Legorolmine too :P
17:44.34zenzelezzsame one ;)
17:45.44Mr_Rabies2welp
17:45.46Mr_Rabies2http://www.ussjaguar.org/images/pictures/02R1/specops.JPG
17:45.52Mr_Rabies2that's the best image on the whole internet
17:45.56sag_ich_nichtalso
17:46.09sag_ich_nichtShirik you lose
17:46.13sag_ich_nichtamirite cog|work
17:46.26Shirikyou still haven't proven me anything
17:46.42Shirikand my troll-o-meter went off an hour ago so I started ignoring what you were saying
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17:46.50cog|workShirik: it will be more checks. sag_ich_nicht: they won't significantly affect performance
17:46.51Cidan-sup.
17:47.00sag_ich_nichtcog|work i know
17:47.07sag_ich_nichtCidan-: shirik loses, but won't admit it
17:47.15cog|workboth lose imo :P
17:47.17sag_ich_nichti prove to you that it causes additional strain to the server, which was my point... how much MORE strain that is, heh :O
17:47.25zenzelezzI think we were talking different checks
17:47.26Cidan-Eh?
17:47.38sag_ich_nichtzenzelezz
17:47.39sag_ich_nicht[19:17] <sag_ich_nicht> 2.2 is straining the servers enough already i think cog|work
17:47.40zenzelezzthere will be no *new* checks, just more of the old ones
17:47.52|Jelly|Cog: You're my hero. Seriously. Teach me the ways of being a smartass without getting upset about morons.
17:48.02sag_ich_nichtwhich counts as new checks. 1 old apple + 1 new apple = more apples than 1 apple
17:48.03sag_ich_nicht>:O
17:48.09zenzelezzno
17:48.19cog|workzenzelezz: not new *kinds* of checks...
17:48.36cog|workthey're still new in the sense that they wouldn't have been done previously
17:48.38zenzelezzthat's what I'm saying. I'm Norwegian, I'm allowed to not master English
17:48.50sag_ich_nicht<3
17:49.19zenzelezzbut I would still not call them new checks, just a higher number of check
17:49.21cog|work|Jelly|: You can only develop such a power by NOT having the skill in the first place and then blowing a gasket when 2.0 comes out...
17:49.31|Jelly|rofl
17:49.46|Jelly|I guess I'm glad I didn't get on the mod scene until after 2.0
17:50.07zenzelezzadmit it, you only entered because your Decursive stopped working
17:50.17|Jelly|I never used Decursive, to be honest.
17:50.46sag_ich_nichtliar.
17:51.30Cidan-So
17:51.44Cidan-Shirik, did you see what I said about unit frames?
17:51.48Shiriknope
17:51.54ShirikI'm too mad at Java not liking Vista
17:52.03zenzelezzno-one likes Vista
17:52.15amrothat's code once, run everywhere for you
17:52.19amroor whatever their line is
17:52.28Cidan-lol
17:52.30Cidan-:(
17:52.42Cidan-I'll go over it when I get back home, but, there are no "unit frames"
17:54.36Shirikof course there aren't
17:54.43Cidan-:(
17:54.46zenzelezzthat's all right, they'll just run some Ace ones along with Conspiracy
17:54.56Cidan-Death to you zenzelezz
17:54.58Cidan-Death.
17:56.01sag_ich_nichtGAH
17:56.02sag_ich_nichtI LOSE
17:56.03sag_ich_nichtHARD
17:56.13sag_ich_nichtaccount run out today and i forgot to buy a new prepaid card
17:56.30Cidan-yes, yes you do fail.
17:57.02cog|workzenzelezz: i like vista :P
17:57.21Cidan-oh, yeah, I do as well.
17:57.21cog|workand i haven't had any problems with Java ;)
17:57.49Shirikdo you have any java programs that need to run as an administrator? ;)
17:58.49Shirikservers are up btw
17:58.55Shirikor maybe I'm like years behind
17:58.56Shirikbut yeah
17:59.01cog|workShirik: that's not vista's fault...
17:59.34ShirikI blame vista
17:59.36cog|workIt's like using "for k, v in t do" in lua 5.0
17:59.43cog|workand then complaining that it doesn't work in 5.1
17:59.47Shirikthe programmer has no control over it, trust me :)
17:59.56Shirikit needs administrator privileges, rightfully so
18:00.02Cidan-What does?
18:00.10Cidan-Java?
18:00.18Shirika java app
18:00.25Cidan-nah, why?
18:00.29cog|workwell that's just silly
18:00.34Cidan-Yep.
18:01.07cog|workThe only reason you should need admin privileges is for system-specifc stuff... which is exactly what java was NOT designed for...
18:01.34zenzelezzI lost interest in Vista when they removed all the interesting new features, added all the DRM crap, and that shiny new UI thing... I still run XP in 2000-look-alike mode
18:01.36Shirikrestricted files :)
18:01.42Shirikspecifically program files
18:01.46cog|workbad choice of language imo
18:02.13Shirikit's not an app that was designed for system-specific operation. Quite the opposite actually
18:02.17cog|workzenzelezz: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+off+my+lawn
18:02.22ShirikBut there is no program that is 100% platform independent
18:02.50Cidan-what restricted files?
18:03.24Cidan-going home, bbl
18:03.28Shirikyou wait
18:03.31Cidan-no
18:03.33Cidan-YOU wait
18:03.33Cidan-bai
18:03.38Shirik=(
18:03.41ShirikI install MSN messenger
18:03.43Shirikand he leaves
18:04.14|Jelly|Wait.
18:04.18|Jelly|You installed MSN Messenger?
18:04.24|Jelly|...please say it ain't so
18:04.27Shirikonly method of contact I have with him
18:04.37ShirikI don't feel like calling him
18:04.41Shirikespecially after what he said about my eyes
18:05.17|Jelly|Speaking of...
18:05.49|Jelly|So my mother was diagnosed with Graves Disease, right? ...now, all the doctors are saying her everything (eyes, thyroid, etc) is normal. What gives? lol
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18:09.18art3misoh it has to be god
18:09.20art3mis;)
18:09.27art3misgod is only there for good things remember?
18:09.33Shirik|Jelly|: That's how it is
18:09.43art3misi mean if he helps sports teams obviously he could take some time to clear that up
18:09.53ShirikI have hyperthyroidism as well, but for some people if you take the medications, it just "resets" your thyroid back to normal
18:10.00Shirikfor some people it doesn;'t
18:10.02Shiriknobody knows why
18:10.13|Jelly|Seems pretty lame to me.
18:10.24Shirikso some people may be on the pills for a few months then off for the rest of their life
18:10.35art3misit's like cancer in some people
18:10.39art3misit just goes away
18:10.41Shiriksome people, on the other hand, have to take radioactive iodine or be on pills for the rest of their life
18:10.54art3misi like to think of it as "magic"
18:10.59|Jelly|"Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God's the guy that ignores you."
18:11.32|Jelly|She never took any medication for it, that I know of. Just prednizone or whatever that they said for the swelling.
18:11.49art3mis"brought to you by God, the invisible giant!"
18:12.02art3misthat simpsons was one of the best
18:23.04alestaneRandom question during apparent down time...this is my first experience with IRC, I get the impression that the syntax here is what WoW chat was derived from...do you do an "emote" the same way? I saw Cogs "raise his hand" earlier.
18:23.56nevcairielyou mean with /me ? then yes
18:24.15nevcairiel(depends on client, anyway, but i think /me is pretty standard)
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18:28.47alestanenevcairiel: if that's our Forum MVP, then let me just say thank you for the SecureTemplates and all the help with them.
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18:33.32nevcairielalestane: nah, my name contains "iriel" by accident :)
18:33.37LunessaNot the same person at all alestane. :D
18:33.49LunessaCurse my slow typing!  Curse it!
18:33.58alestaneThat's why I said "If." Good to know.
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18:37.04TC-School~moo
18:37.05purlmooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html
18:37.53TC-Schooltest
18:38.32kadrahilfail
18:38.39TC-Schoolhuh 11-12 sec delay on a web browser based irc client
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18:39.20CidanShirik, now, what is it? :
18:39.21CidanD
18:45.32sag_ich_nichti am scanning all of our AH with bottom scanner.
18:46.11ScytheBlade1holy crap @ Interface: ### thread
18:47.02alestaneYeah, that one's, well, it's Cogwheell.
18:47.38IndustrialQuestion: Has anyone sucessgully connected and listened to pandora.com radio from outside the US, by any means?
18:47.53alestaneAnd the all-too-common reaction of those who don't know him.
18:48.21IndustrialScytheBlade1: url?
18:48.30ScytheBlade1Industrial, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272301082&sid=1
18:48.40Industrialk
18:48.41ScytheBlade1The posts have been deleted, but the reactions are what made me blink
18:50.35Industrialrofl
18:51.05Industrialyou give me the right information, but i am too lazy to earch, therefore you suck! I am not innature (see what I did there?)!
18:52.39alestaneThe biggest stress I see on that forum is that so many people show up looking for a fish, and several of us (Cogwheel tends to do it the most, but we all do) tend to respond with, "If you can't be bothered learning to fish then why should I give you a fish?"
18:52.52ScytheBlade1lol
18:52.53ScytheBlade1It's true
18:52.59Cidanmmhmm
18:53.02alestaneSince they were hoping for a fish, and not a fishing lesson, they get grumpy.
18:53.26alestaneSo they poke the gnome.
18:53.43alestaneThen when the gnome pokes back they get grumpier.
18:54.21alestane(the above is not intended as a critique but rather a summary)
18:54.58TC-Schoolgo one better, give em a fish they dont like
18:55.52alestaneWell that's usually what happens when they want a macro that casts Corruption, Curse of Agony, and Siphon life (all in one button press) then whenever they hit it again just does the ones that have run out.
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18:58.26TC-Schoolhttp://blogs.msdn.com/hackers/default.aspx
18:58.40LunessaHell, I get almost as much crap as Cog, and I'm even more inclined to hand out answers.  
18:59.26TC-Schooli dont get any crap and i just insult people....go figure
19:01.18Cairenn|afkhey Cide? did you know that you've abandoned CTMod?
19:01.27Cairenn|afkhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272261058&sid=1
19:02.09ScytheBlade1lol
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19:03.16Industriallol
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19:05.02CideCairenn|afk: oh, nope.. but thanks for telling me :)
19:05.05alestaneLunessa: It particularly baffles me when some decides to give YOU crap for not helping them, since you're usually about one of the sweetest, most patient people on the forum. I think I've seen you go baliistic on people about twice.
19:05.45Cairenn|afkyou're welcome - figured you'd want to know, so you could get your free time back
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19:07.06alestaneOh gawd Harilo's back.
19:07.09alestanehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272301205&sid=1
19:07.10Lunessaalestane: Yup.  I'm snarky often, but I do try to help.  
19:07.14Lunessabrb... cake. :)
19:07.15Shirik|Ecolemstsc
19:07.24TC-Schoolwhat free time, this simply means more time for him to work on other addons
19:07.44Cairenn|afkno no, there are no other addons, he's given up CTMod
19:07.49Cairenn|afkthat's the entire package
19:08.21Shirik|Ecolewait hold up
19:08.25sag_ich_nichtokay
19:08.26Shirik|Ecolewho's given up CTMod?
19:08.33Cairenn|afkCide
19:08.39Shirik|EcoleI didn't know that
19:08.47sag_ich_nichtinformant has wrong vendor values for quite a few items
19:08.47Mr_Rabies2i don't think cide did either
19:08.54Cairenn|afk(3:00:53 PM) Cairenn: hey Cide? did you know that you've abandoned CTMod?
19:08.55Cairenn|afk(3:01:02 PM) Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272261058&sid=1
19:08.57sag_ich_nichti just halfed my gold because i wasn't paying attention because of this
19:08.57sag_ich_nicht:x
19:09.01Cairenn|afk(3:04:38 PM) Cide: Cairenn|afk: oh, nope.. but thanks for telling me :)
19:09.07Cairenn|afk(3:05:21 PM) Cairenn: you're welcome - figured you'd want to know, so you could get your free time back
19:09.08TC-Schoolhe doesnt get a break...i would hav thought you had figured that out
19:09.19alestaneThis guy seems to mean well, but has no idea what he's asking for or who/what is involved in his request/ideas...and of course his english would make my grade school teachers weep.
19:09.21Shirik|Ecoleheh
19:09.23Mr_Rabies2whatd you buy, sag_ich_nicht?
19:09.47sag_ich_nichti wasn't paying attn and click Yes in bottom scanner all the time while doing a full AH scan
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19:09.57sag_ich_nicht250g gone :x
19:10.09sag_ich_nichtbecause it wanted to vendor a lot
19:10.19sag_ich_nichtbecause wrong vendor prices in informant -.-
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19:11.00TC-Schoolthats why you AH scan first then bottom scan
19:11.12sag_ich_nichtmhm
19:11.14deltroninformant is bad
19:11.18sag_ich_nichtTC-School that doesn't help with vendor prices
19:11.19sag_ich_nichtBUT
19:11.28sag_ich_nichti just found out i hadn't updated recently
19:11.31sag_ich_nichtmy own fault
19:11.35sag_ich_nichtbuggy pullscript
19:11.53alestaneCairenn: Do you handle the WDN section of WoWInterface too?
19:12.05Cairennthat's beladona's baby
19:12.46alestaneDo you know how he gets those code file comparisons on there (all the inserted/deleted stuff) or do I need to talk to him?
19:13.19alestane(or her)
19:13.30Cairennhe,a nd what do you mean how does he get them on there?
19:14.03alestaneHow does he create the pages that list just the differences between the files...does he compare them manually? Use a script of some kind?
19:14.04cladhaireits a diff
19:14.06Cairennhe extracts the latest from the blizz extractor after every patch, does a diff on them, and posts it
19:14.09cladhairethen he uses xslt
19:14.16Cairenn:)
19:14.17alestaneWhat is this 'diff'?
19:14.30ts|skromI'm not a mod author :(
19:14.35Maldiviait's a utility that creates diff files... = difference between two files
19:14.36ts|skromI don't have an SVN to wowace :(
19:14.37cladhairehttp://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?diff
19:15.09alestanets|skrom: I was gonna say, cause you don't read the stickies?
19:15.21alestanecladhaire: Thanks, I'll check that out.
19:15.56Maldiviahmm... I think Blizzard is having fun :)
19:16.06alestaneOh?
19:16.23TC-Schoolthey dont get to have fun, they make games
19:16.25Maldivialooked through the new spells added in latest PTR build... "Calls forth 3 Voodoo Gnomes to destroy your enemies."
19:16.40alestane3 what?!?
19:16.58MaldiviaVoodoo Gnomes :)
19:17.03alestaneSo I take it 2.2 didn't go live today...
19:17.19Maldivianope, a new PTR build was released instead
19:17.34alestaneMaybe that will clear up the sound problems I was having last night.
19:18.07CairennROFL! okay, shouldn't have deleted .net 1.1
19:18.42Mr_Rabies2who called it?
19:18.48Mr_Rabies2i called it /flex
19:19.05alestaneOh dear what happened?
19:19.14ScytheBlade1I wanted to say something, but realized it was pointless at the time
19:19.22Cairennlol, the blizz patcher of all things
19:19.29ScytheBlade1...
19:19.34ScytheBlade1Since when?
19:19.42Cairennsince I just tried to update
19:19.50alestaneThe updater is a .NET application?
19:19.57sag_ich_nichtlol.
19:20.07Cairenndelete .net 1.1 and try running it :p
19:20.39ScytheBlade1I run it on linux, without .Net installed
19:20.41ScytheBlade1Pretty sure it isn't
19:20.44alestaneI don't HAVE .net, I'm on Mac OSX...so I probably don't care.
19:20.50Cairennthen why did it just error on me, hmmm?
19:21.17ScytheBlade1I'll answer your question when you can come up with a reason why I don't need it at all to patch ;P
19:21.28Cairennanyway, not like it's a big deal to reinstall it
19:21.39ScytheBlade1Plus the WoW CDs lack a .Net redist package
19:21.42ScytheBlade1So I'm somewhat skeptical
19:21.46ts|skromis there something in your table of contents program about taint, cog|away?
19:22.07CairennScytheBlade1: f'd if I know, I just know that when I tried to update I got an error because it was looking for .net 1.1 /shrug
19:22.16Lunessait's a trap. No cake!
19:22.22ScytheBlade1That is odd
19:22.23alestaneNo cake?
19:22.29TC-School~fail Cairenn
19:22.30purlCairenn: Fail.
19:23.10alestaneNo cake??!?
19:23.25Lunessano cake.
19:23.31alestaneNO CAKE??
19:23.32Lunessaand <3 macOS X
19:23.52LunessaThey substituted trail-mix
19:23.53Cairennmakes 0 sense to me, but /shrug
19:24.02alestanecake > trail mix.
19:24.22alestaneThere must be cake.
19:26.37ScytheBlade1Holy crap YES
19:26.41ScytheBlade1The new bel-air of the forums
19:26.41ScytheBlade1http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272299442&sid=1&pageNo=1#0
19:28.21Lunessa... lame
19:28.25Lunessatrolling is lame
19:28.38Lunessarick-rolls, bel aire, whatever. LAME
19:28.47ScytheBlade1This was Star Trek.
19:29.05LunessaI saw it. Still ... /LAME
19:29.16alestaneI don't get it I'm afraid. Whining about Arcane Power? Or are you just approving the Star Trek parody.
19:29.21ScytheBlade1The author then goes on in later posts (walls of text) to include Lord of the Rings, Shakespear, Cry If I Want To, Captian Planet, and more.
19:29.23LunessaNo, I'm not opinionated, why do you ask? :P
19:29.35Cairenn<3 Lunessa
19:29.51zenzelezzso, quick question... if I use two Ace addons, should I update with or without externals? o_O
19:29.57LunessaCairenn: She loves me.  I can die happy. Even in a fire.
19:30.03LunessaWith.
19:30.38CairennShirikheh
19:30.56Cairenn+ [space]
19:31.08Cairennbrb
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19:31.51Saint-NChick #1: Are you feeling better? You looked really sick last night.
19:31.51Saint-NChick #2: Yeah, I felt like I got hit by a Tonka truck.
19:31.51Saint-NChick #1: A Tonka truck?
19:31.51Saint-NChick #2: Well, you know, I always exaggerate.
19:31.51Saint-NChick #1, laughing: A Tonka truck is a toy. I think you mean a mack truck.
19:31.52Saint-NChick #2: ... No wonder people look at me weird when I say that.
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19:33.04Maldivias/Chick/Blonde/
19:33.05Maldivia:)
19:34.37ts|skromhahah poor poster number 38 in the star trek thread
19:34.43ts|skromhe really put some thought into that
19:34.48Saint-Nhey i have a question
19:34.52ScytheBlade1Yeah
19:35.00ScytheBlade1Trolling or not, that thread is incredible
19:35.07Saint-Nya know how somtimes you get rebates and they say that the cheque expires on a certain date?
19:35.22Saint-Ncan you do that legally with personal cheques?
19:35.53ScytheBlade1In practice banks will accept it if you hand write "Void in 20 days" - ie, they won't cash it after 20 days
19:36.03ScytheBlade1But I'm not sure about the legal end
19:36.46Saint-Ncuz my landlord has been holding cheques for longer than a month sometimes and depositing then all at once (like 3 at a time) and i'd like her to stop that
19:36.57LunessaSaint-N: Depends on the laws in your locale.  
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19:37.22Saint-Nshe still hasnt cashed the cheque i gave her for august rent back in july
19:37.39LunessaIn many US jurisdictions, a check (cheque) constitutes a contract, but not in all.  Consult your banker and a lawyer.  
19:37.52Cairenn?
19:38.25LunessaAnd because it's a contract, language on it is considered binding. :P
19:39.17alestaneI know Kamdis went to law school.
19:39.20[dRaCo]just shoot her. she'll stop cashing your cheques. forever! *evil*
19:39.32ScytheBlade1That's actually the problem.
19:39.34Saint-Nyou have no idea how much i want to ;P
19:39.36ScytheBlade1She isn't caching them.
19:39.40ScytheBlade1*cashing
19:39.48Saint-Nsame forthe people who live upstairs
19:39.49ScytheBlade1Too much work with squid lately :/
19:40.06Saint-Nshell wait and wait and wait and then suddenly deposit mulitpe chequesu at once
19:40.36Cairennfun way to mess up your bank account
19:40.38alestaneSo you have to keep enough money on hand to cover all the outstanding checks.
19:40.49[dRaCo]yeah, but if you are sure she'll never will, you dont have to have the cheque covered, ScytheBlade1
19:41.05LunessaThis is what is known as "balancing your account" or a "reconciliation"  
19:41.06Saint-Ncairenn: yeah no shit eh?
19:41.41Cairenndepending on how long she holds them, you can't get in trouble if they don't clear
19:42.17Cairennnot sure what the time is down there, but most banks have a (I'm not sure of the proper term, so for lack of better) "stale date" on cheques
19:42.49alestane90 days to 6 months I believe, depending on the jurisdiction and the originating bank.
19:43.02Cairennyeah, that's pretty much the same here
19:43.21LunessaAlthough some banks will accept checks up to a year after date of issue.  Like I said, consult your bank and alawyer. :)
19:43.23alestane(My above post should not be construed as actual legal knowledge)
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19:44.01CairennLunessa: not disputing that advice :)
19:44.20Lunessa:D
19:46.11alestaneSome banks put transaction fees on deposits and withdrawals, causing their account-holders to 'bunch' up their checks and deposit them all at once to reduce fees. I usually think they need a different bank but...
19:46.34alestaneIt usually only seems to happen for business accounts.
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19:54.56amroAh, the irony. Just yesterday I deleted an ISO I was sure I no longer needed. Now I have to download it again
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20:02.35PolarinaWhat is faster? Using the bit.lshift, bit.bor and bit.band function or using the /, *,+ and ^ operands to achieve the same results?
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20:03.32sioraiochthey Cairenn =)
20:03.57Cairennall ready? excited?
20:03.59IndustrialPolarina: you can test by evaluating a lue statement to a bot in #luabot with "lua> statement"
20:04.10sioraiochtPolarina: I think in lua bitwise operators cost more =/
20:04.17sioraiochtCairenn: both :)
20:05.04sioraiochthaah better decide fast, it's filling up
20:05.11sioraiochtand I just bought 234 dollars worth of books to take with me
20:05.14CairennI'm teeny, I can find space
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20:06.11alestaneWhere are you off to?
20:06.19sioraiochtalestane: the UK
20:06.53alestanesioraiocht: Long or short term?
20:07.04Cairennlong :(
20:07.04sioraiochtalestane: long, like four yearsish
20:07.56sioraiochtPolarina: did you find an answer to your question
20:07.56sioraiocht?
20:08.33Cidan?
20:08.35Cidanwiat what?
20:08.43Polarinasioraiocht: Nothing confirmed. But when thinking about it, it looks slower.
20:08.51PolarinaUsing bit.something functions.þ
20:08.56CairennCidan: ?
20:09.08CidanWhat's happening to you Cairenn
20:09.10Cidan?
20:09.15Cairennnothing happening tome
20:09.19sioraiochtPolarina: it makes since, as bitwise operations on floating point numbers that return meaningful answers would seem to incur some sort of overhead
20:09.42Cairenncladhaire and sioraiocht are both heading off to UK for university, gonna miss them
20:09.54Cidanoh, yeah, right, :D
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20:09.57Cidansoon now isn't it?
20:10.02sioraiocht25 days
20:10.06Cidan:(
20:10.08Polarinasioraiocht: Converting to int then back to a float. Plus, finding that table, returning it. Finding that function inside it, calling it...
20:10.15CidanThey'll still be on though
20:10.29CidanWe could gather up and visit them sometime
20:10.34alestaneI spent almost a year in Japan, it was a big jump.
20:10.36Cairennyeah, but they won't be a hop-skip&jump over the border from me any more
20:11.37tyroneyHooray for cheesey server-side irc webmajigs.
20:11.40Cairennright now if I really really need a hug, I can just pop down and get one, won't be able to do that soon
20:11.52Cidan:(
20:11.56CidanThat is a bit sad.
20:12.15sioraiochtwe'll miss her, too
20:12.30Cairennbut they're gonna have fun, and do good, and get all edumacted and shit, so :)
20:13.33Lunessa"Sometimes people I don't give a crap about have to have very bad things happen to them to make me laugh. This is a sacrifice I'm willing to make. "  Ahhh... I would refer to this as "entertainment."
20:13.35TC-Schoolwhy UK?
20:13.56cladhairecause that's where our school is
20:13.57Cairenn'cause they're smrt
20:13.59alestaneLunessa: Yeah, I laughed at that one.
20:14.16tyroneyAre there any mods left out there with hold-to-flip action bar bindings nowadays, or did they all die off with secure buttons?  (besides mine, naturally)
20:14.23Cidanlucky smrt people
20:14.24Cidan:(
20:14.36LunessaIt disheartens me that occasionally I sink to that level, but damn it, I'm only as evil as I let myself be. :D
20:14.49alestanetyroney: a little more explanation?
20:15.30Lunessatyroney: Bartender 3 still has that feature.
20:15.47LunessaIt's nestled under "paging" options.  
20:15.56TC-Schoolcladhaire: but thats not where you live...right?
20:15.57sag_ich_nichtokay
20:15.58sag_ich_nichtquestion
20:15.59tyroneyA button.  As long as you hold it down, your actionbar is on page 2.  (or whatever)  Let go, and it pops back.
20:16.03sag_ich_nichthow do i change the chatfont? :O
20:16.06cladhaireTC-School: no, I like in Upstate new york.
20:16.17tyroneyO RLY?   I'll go check them out and see if it uses the same scary two-template method to pull it off.
20:16.29sag_ich_nichtno wait, actually, let me move that question to #wowace since i'm lazy and i'll just add it in with SML in anyway
20:16.50alestanetyroney: that can certainly be accomplished with state headers and anchors. Whether any mod is doing so in a sensible is a question for someone else.
20:18.07TC-Schoolcladhaire: so you applied for a school that was....5K miles away ish
20:18.14tyroneyWith the (broken) modifier issues I have, I hope they've found some superior method.
20:18.29cladhaireTC-School: yes, its the #2 university in the world.. why is that so weird?
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20:19.19tyroneyBack when secure frames came out, Iriel walked me through getting it to work, so I'm not super-optimistic there's some better way.  I should just start making weekly suggestions/requests to have a binding added to the default ui.
20:19.20CairennTC-School: it's for their PhDs, it's Oxford, and cladhaire got a TA position there as well
20:19.27snegoviKpitbull discontinued ?
20:19.30Lunessatyroney: I don't know about the code.  I got lazy and just looked for someone who had already done it rather than do it myself.  I suspect it's not pretty though, since Bartender 3 does ugly stuff to do its mouseover show/hide tricks.
20:19.42alestanetyroney: do you want it to actually change the action bar page, or just change which bank of actions the bar uses?
20:19.56sag_ich_nichtokay, #wowace is dead
20:20.01sag_ich_nichtso i ask here again
20:20.09sag_ich_nichthow do i change the font of the default chatframes? :x
20:20.58sag_ich_nicht(no, i don't wanna use prat, since it will just break horrible, and it's not prats fault)
20:21.10LunessaI use ClearFont2. :P
20:21.24tyroneyPage.  I happen to like the default ui with this one minor addition.  (which effectively doubles the available actionbar buttons)
20:22.16sag_ich_nichtLunessa: does clearfont2 get it's fonts from SML? :O
20:22.39sag_ich_nichtokay, it does
20:22.40sag_ich_nichtfine
20:22.42sag_ich_nicht:D
20:22.53Lunessasag_ich_nicht: Again, I just got lazy and used someone else's work.  I didn't even bother to read the code. :P
20:22.54Cidancladhaire, #3, ;P
20:23.03cladhairedepends on the ranking
20:23.08cladhaire:P
20:23.23CidanI know of known that put it above harvard and cambridge
20:23.32Cidaner
20:23.39Cidanknown == none, christ, okay, nap time
20:23.40sag_ich_nichtLunessa go away :x
20:23.41alestanetyroney: Okay, make an action button with type 'macro' and 'macrotext' '/swapactionbar 1 2'. For that button's OnLoad, :RegisterForClicks("AnyUp", "AnyDown").
20:23.54Lunessasag_ich_nicht: nevar!
20:24.10sag_ich_nichtbecause i am going to do something really awesome
20:24.21alestaneThen you can also bind a key to that button if you want.
20:24.22sag_ich_nicht...set the WoW chatfont to fixedsys excelsior :O
20:24.25tyroneyalestane: that might do the trick...
20:24.53alestaneSince SecureActionButtons don't currently distinguish up and down, it's as close as I can come.
20:25.18cladhaireCidan: Meh.. #3.. same point :P
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20:25.45Cidanstill nice
20:25.50cladhaireindeed
20:25.59cladhaireespecially when i plan to teach, and i'll be teaching there for the next five years :P
20:26.33alestaneWell from what I hear you helped write a book, that's always a good start.
20:27.36CidanGood job
20:28.07CidanKeep your hands off the sexy brits with the accents, :P
20:28.28sag_ich_nichtguys, i set my WoW chatfont to Fixedsys Excelsior 3.01
20:28.30alestaneWhat fun is that?
20:28.35sag_ich_nichtIs this awesome? Y/Y
20:28.59alestane"I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you da man."
20:29.30sioraiochtCidan: The Times has put it above Cambridge several times
20:29.39TC-Schoolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THES_-_QS_World_University_Rankings
20:30.23sioraiochtthere ya go, it beat out the tabs two years ago
20:30.24Cidansioraiocht, I have never seen it in any internationally accredited listing, rather.
20:30.36Lunessa.. I suppose if I knew what Fixedsys Excelsior 3.01 looked like I'd be impressed.
20:31.48sioraiochtand having met so many harvard grads...I have to say that no ranking system that puts them number 1 can impress me much
20:32.08TC-Schoolwhat i want to know is how it goes from 2K to 2.6K for a laptop w/o ever saying what the extra 600 is for
20:32.11sioraiocht(that's not to say if you're from harvard you're dumb, but it doesn't say you're smart either, imo =p)
20:32.40sag_ich_nichtmhm
20:32.51TC-Schooli know a harvard grad who is embarrassed to have gone there
20:33.06sioraiochthe's probably a good guy/girl, then
20:33.53alestaneI live near Boston...Harvard's cool, but I thought the folks I knew from Cornell were just as cool. Heck, a lot of the people I knew at IC were just as cool.
20:33.54CidanSurely, but every institution has such constituents
20:34.14Cidan'tis a part of it, one would assume, in the ranking of said places.
20:34.16sioraiochtCidan, have you ever BEEN to harvard, though/
20:34.28CidanI have indeed.
20:34.36sioraiochttheir attitude doesn't reflect the allowance for dumb people =p
20:35.04CidanI suppose we'll never really know
20:35.14Cidannor does it really matter in the end
20:35.37sioraiochtit does to me! they rejected me for undergrad, along with princeton and brown =p
20:35.38TC-Schoolsioraiocht: yea he is, he would have rather had gone to stanford where his wife went....not that he uses his degree anyways
20:36.17Cidanlulz
20:36.23CidanNOW I get it
20:36.26CidanIt's personal.
20:36.26Cidan:P
20:36.44sioraiochtof course it is, you don't get wrapped up in an argument like this without SOME irrational hatred
20:36.44alestanecladhaire, sioraiocht: out of curiosity, where was your undergrad work?
20:36.44sioraiochtwell
20:36.52sioraiochtboth of us went to Syracuse university
20:36.52cladhairealestane: I did my MSc and BSc at Syracuse
20:37.15alestaneAh, I used to live about an hour south of you guys in Ithaca.
20:37.19sioraiochtI'm sorry
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20:37.22cladhairelol
20:37.24Cidanlol
20:37.27cladhaireunlike sioraiocht I actually like it here.
20:37.29sioraiochtI can't wait to get out of CNY
20:37.35cladhairehe's a dirty left-coaster
20:37.36sioraiochtthat's only because he's never lived anywhere else, btw
20:37.56cladhaireor i don't drink the california haterade
20:38.08sioraiochtI've also lived in arizona and DC, you insensitive clode
20:38.11sioraiocht*clod
20:38.15cladhaireI"M A CLODE ZOMG
20:38.16Cidanmm
20:38.18cladhaireSUCH A BURN
20:38.20CidanI'm in DC right now.
20:38.21alestaneI don't know, I took a trip to Vegas a month ago, and I couldn't get over how friggin FLAT it is.
20:38.23sioraiochtand the only place worse than syracuse is AZ, imo
20:38.24sioraiochtI love DC
20:38.27Cidanas do I
20:38.41sioraiochtas long as I don't need to drive
20:38.45CidanI don
20:38.47Cidan't mind it.
20:38.51CidanI'm a mad man really.
20:38.57sioraiochtyou must me, lol
20:39.02Cidanme == be
20:39.04sioraiochtright
20:39.29TC-Schoolmy university of choice is caltech
20:39.38CidanI'm sorry to hear that.
20:39.42sioraiochtI would totally study there
20:39.51sioraiochtlots of really WEIRD people go there, btw
20:39.53TC-School~lart Cidan
20:39.53purlbeats the living hamstercrap out of Cidan
20:39.58Cidan:D
20:40.09TC-Schooli am a really weird person
20:40.12sioraiochtand I don't mean that judgementally, just look at the hijinks that make it into the news
20:40.18sioraiochthaha aren't we all?
20:40.23sioraiochtwe're all nerds...freaks
20:40.23Cidanlet me just... take a sip of this gatoraide here...(http://emoemu.com/cidan.jpg)
20:40.24LunessaI used to hang out with guys at CalTech back in the day.  I never studied there, but I spent a lot of Sundays on that campus hanging out with geeky smart people.
20:40.26Cidanah, that does it.
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20:40.31Cidannice and fresh.
20:40.35sioraiochtbut even freaks have freaks
20:40.43sioraiochtand our freaks are at CalTech ;)
20:40.58TC-Schoolok well i am not *that* freaky
20:41.01sioraiochtlol
20:41.10sioraiochtstill
20:41.13sioraiochtit's a cool school
20:41.24TC-Schooli am generic freaky
20:41.26TC-Schoolyea
20:43.03LunessaHey, any school where freshmen are taught the joys of surgical tubing-based egg-launchers as an exercise in practical physics is OK by me.
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20:45.54sioraiochtlol
20:46.28TC-Schoolok, off to class, laters all
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20:47.06sior|awayI myself am off to practice
20:47.14sior|awaynight, all
20:47.44Cairennnight sior|away *hug*
20:48.46Industrialbye
20:53.04Kaydeethreebleeter; pong. alas, your messages have dropped off the scrollback so I don't know what you said
20:53.23bleeterKaydeethree: we've got a Wine hack for sound  in PTR ;)
20:53.36Polarinareally?
20:53.38Kaydeethreesweet. is it on the appdb for 2.2?
20:53.41PolarinaShow me!
20:54.03bleetersee the patch attached to http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9498
20:54.09Polarinao.O
20:54.24bleeternote: that patch is against Wine git
20:54.45bleeterso, if you've got a vendor prebuilt Wine, you'll need to get the source and mangle the patch yourself.. but as it's a 1 liner, shouldn't be too hard ;)
20:55.01Polarinableeter: And does the sound actually work?
20:55.18bleeterit's still av ery inelegant solution... the Wine dsound chappy is still trying to wourk out why the dsound dll is being called after it's unloaded - this makes no sound
20:55.21bleeterPolarina: yes
20:55.30Polarinableeter: Including reverb sound effects?
20:55.50bleeterI was unable to test VoIP as I don't have enough headset/mic etc, but I saw in the Voice config thing I could select both soundcards
20:56.20bleeterPolarina: geez, give some people major functionality, and they get all concerned about bells and whistles... had to wade thru 6GB of debug log last night for that
20:56.21Polarinableeter: I want reverb sound effects too. I don't have them in 2.1.3, but under the same machine on Windows, I do.
20:56.30bleeterto find 1 line... and you're worried about revern
20:56.32bleeterreverb
20:56.43bleeterif you want it that much, patch up your wine and go find out for yourself
20:56.44Polarinableeter: Reverb is additional. But thank you so much!
20:56.59Polarinableeter: You saved my life, plus others.
20:57.25bleeterif we can get people voting/confirming bug again and the hacky patch, it'd be *greatly* appreciated
20:57.41bleeterI pulled the old bug report 'coz it was dirty ;')
20:57.55Kaydeethreesoon as I check out the tree, patch it and build it...
20:58.07Polarinableeter: Voted.
20:58.33bleeterthanks folks.. I ignored my Uni assignment last night 'coz the wine dsound chap wsa available
20:58.48bleeterI really must spend today and tomorrow working on it, so I appreciate others testing
20:59.31bleeterCairenn: ok, so.. I said FLEE... you went and got some FLEA powder... do you want me to make canine comments, eh? no? well quit with the spanking! :P
20:59.47Cairenn*weg*
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21:04.58Shirik|Ecole<3 |Jelly|
21:05.07|Jelly|?
21:05.20Shirik|Ecole"Have I professed my e-love for you lately? Cause I mean, after Peppy, you're so there! (Sorry but Peppy is <3 incarnate! 8P)"
21:05.27|Jelly|Ahh yes.
21:06.02Cairennat least between the bunch of us, we were able to beat it through one person's head
21:06.03|Jelly|<3 Shirik. :P
21:06.48KaydeethreeI'm not sure I want to know what thread's inspiring this conversation
21:06.49alestaneGot to head home, later all.
21:06.57Shirik|Ecolehuh
21:07.03Shirik|EcoleI actually made that guy happy?
21:07.10Shirik|EcoleI thought I was being slightly hostile :P
21:07.20Cairennhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272301082&sid=1
21:07.22|Jelly|http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272301082&sid=1
21:07.27|Jelly|Grr
21:07.31Shirik|Ecolejinx!
21:07.32Cairennheh
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21:07.46Kaydeethreelol, I tabbed it open just as it got linked in here
21:07.46Cidehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272261058&sid=1
21:07.57CideI love post #3
21:08.10|Jelly|I think my first response pretty much sums it up though. :P
21:09.00|Jelly|Aww. The guy that's was trying...and failing...at being a douche to Cog deleted his post. *sad face*
21:09.02Shirik|Ecoleso Cide
21:09.11Shirik|Ecolesince you abandoned CTMod, want to help on Conspiracy?
21:09.11Shirik|Ecole:D
21:09.37Cidemmhmm
21:09.48Cidewe're actually competitors
21:09.57PolarinaI want to replace SellFish completely.
21:10.05[dRaCo]why's that?
21:10.15[dRaCo]SellFish was great the last time I checked.
21:10.17cladhairehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272261058&postId=12718379924&sid=1#4
21:10.32Cidelol, cladhaire
21:10.33Polarina[dRaCo]: There are better addons that do exactly the same. That are faster and use less CPU and memory.
21:11.20Tullererr...really? :)
21:11.32PolarinaTuller: Yes, there are.
21:11.52CairennPolarina: there are "other" mods that do "similar" things
21:11.57[dRaCo]name one.
21:11.58Tullerthe only comparable one is ItemPriceTooltip
21:12.06PolarinaTuller: And Valuation.
21:12.11Cairennyou know, the way I stuck up for you in your thread? keep it in mind, hmm?
21:12.25PolarinaCairenn: I know.
21:12.25Shirik|Ecolein case you didn't get it
21:12.26Shirik|Ecolehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272261058&postId=12718379924&sid=1#4
21:12.36Shirik|Ecole(@ Kaydeethree)
21:12.55Cidanlol
21:13.03CidanShirik|Ecole, I have a new coder for us
21:13.08Shirik|Ecolenalia?!
21:13.09Shirik|Ecoleyes!
21:13.09CidanWhen do you get home?
21:13.13CidanHah, no.
21:13.14Shirik|Ecolewhen I"m done eating
21:13.19Shirik|Ecolewhich is like 5 minutes
21:13.23CidanShe couldn't code a Hello World if her life depended on it.
21:13.29Shirik|Ecoleouch
21:13.43|Jelly|Aww. Even I coded a Hello World!
21:13.43Shirik|Ecoleand I would love to see the look on her face if she saw that insult
21:13.45CidanConversely, all I can code is a Hello World.
21:13.46Shirik|Ecoleshe totally wouldn't get it
21:13.47Shirik|Ecoleat all
21:14.06Shirik|Ecolelol SingaporeStreetNoodles
21:14.09Cidan:D
21:14.13CidanI so need to add that
21:14.14Cidansomewhere
21:14.19PolarinaTuller: You see?
21:14.21Shirik|Ecolemaybe that should be our SV global
21:14.44Shirik|Ecoleyou have to admit there's no way it would clash with another addon
21:14.45Tullerhurray :)
21:14.48LunessaTuller I like SellFish.  I don't know of anything faster/better.
21:14.55PolarinaTuller: :)
21:14.58LunessaAnd I'm not just sucking up.
21:15.48PolarinaLunessa: Valuation is faster and uses less memory. :)
21:15.48Polarina95 KiB.
21:15.48bleeterKaydeethree: I just sent an email to our vendor's Wine builder requesting he put the one line hack into upcoming builds.. I'll let you know his response when I get it (I'm suspecting, seeing he knew what PTR meant without me explaining, that he plays WoW and will include the hack without a second thought ;-)
21:15.48Shirik|Ecolememory usage is overrated
21:15.59Kaydeethreeheh
21:16.03Shirik|EcoleAs I have said time and time again, for two equally well written Lua programs (which includes addons)
21:16.12Shirik|EcoleA higher memory usage will always result in a faster execution time
21:16.24Kaydeethreeit's funny ever since wow started working in wine pretty much seamlessly... everyone who uses wine plays wow now
21:16.33Cairennat this point, any smack down has basically been earned
21:16.46Shirik|EcoleCairenn: That was directed at?
21:16.49LunessaSo... basically you want to promote your own work over Tuller's?  *shrug*  If you say so.
21:16.50bleeterpersonally, I blame Cide for the making a dsound call after the dll's unloaded
21:16.50|Jelly|Smack down? What?
21:17.28CairennI'm sure there are one or two people that know what I'm talking about, the rest can just blissfully ignore
21:17.28Shirik|EcoleI wouldn't have any problem if Cairenn smacks down on me
21:17.30Shirik|Ecoledodod
21:17.41Shirik|EcoleO:-D
21:17.44cladhaire...
21:18.11bleeterShirik|Ecole: what's on the menu?
21:18.15Shirik|Ecolekit kat bars
21:18.28Cidan...
21:18.31bleeterhmm, yeah.. ok, give me a finger then
21:18.35CidanPlease tell me you're kidding.
21:18.48Shirik|Ecoleoh and the real part is a turkey, bacon, and cheese sandwich
21:18.51Shirik|Ecoletriple deck
21:19.26LunessaShirik|Ecole: You're making me hungry.
21:19.42Shirik|Ecoleok seriously, think I'm headed home now
21:19.49Shirik|Ecolealso, I <3 CNN right now
21:19.53Shirik|Ecoleninja crime spree
21:20.22bleeterhmm, shirik's convinced me.. i'm guna have eggs benedict for breakfast
21:21.37Shirik|Ecoleninja crime spree: http://www.kptv.com/news/13987669/detail.html
21:24.49Mr_Rabies2man
21:25.15Mr_Rabies2i want calltoarms back :(
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21:26.38Mr_Rabies2but sacha is MIA, and fan updates just never seem to hit the quality of the original
21:26.49cladhairesag_ich_nicht: no need to be a dick.. cause i'll always win.. I have ops.
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21:26.54Mr_Rabies2sometimes they surpass the original quality
21:27.17Cidanso I was all like
21:27.19|Jelly|""It's true what they say about MySpace," said Lewis. "It's a great investigative tool."" <-- lol
21:27.19Cidanpewpewpew
21:27.23Saint-Nwouldnt that mean you'd have to give him ops since ops automagically mean "im a dick" ?
21:27.57Cairennorly?
21:28.03Industrialrofl
21:28.10Industrialinc nerfbat
21:28.11Saint-Nyup in 99% of all cases ;P
21:28.12|Jelly|rutroah
21:28.29Saint-Nand you could kick me but that would just prove the point ;P
21:29.15CairennSaint-N: nice try, but I know how much you enjoy it, so .... nope
21:29.19Mr_Rabies2was the only thing they added to netherstorm in 2.1 the one consortium quest for the ID tags?
21:29.51Saint-Ncairenn: aww come on baby, you know i like it rough ;P
21:30.04Kaydeethreethat whole questline, ya
21:30.24PolarinaCairenn: I kicked him for you.
21:30.38Cairennmasochist: beat me beat me - sadist: no
21:30.59Mr_Rabies2my brain just broke
21:31.03Saint-Nback in a while kiddies
21:31.05Mr_Rabies2welp
21:32.01CidanSaint-N, god damned lucky.
21:32.13CidanChrist.
21:32.17CidanGetting a bit... yeah.
21:32.36clad|booklua> tonumber("33", 16) /255
21:32.36cladbotclad|book: 0.2
21:32.40clad|booklua> tonumber("4", 16) /255
21:32.40cladbotclad|book: 0.015686274509804
21:32.43clad|booklua> tonumber("44", 16) /255
21:32.43cladbotclad|book: 0.26666666666667
21:32.49Saint-Ncidan: lucky?
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21:32.57Cidan:P
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21:33.39Shirikwhy is the ecole man still here
21:33.45Shirikdid I seriously drive faster than the internet?
21:34.08Saint-N360 second time out ;P assuming that you /quit ;)
21:34.47LunessaShirik: Saturday you claimed an 8 hour drive, and then were back on IRC in 4.5 hours.  
21:34.57Shirikuh
21:35.07Shirikdoes my /quit not work or something?
21:35.19cncfanaticstry it i'll tell you
21:35.28bleeterPolarina: for the record, from my SESound.log of last night... "8/28 23:11:48.349   - Reverb is DISABLED" :(
21:35.54Polarinableeter: I know.
21:36.09bleeterPolarina: mind you, I'm seeing this on other systems too (there's a report again MacOSX)
21:36.30Polarinableeter: They might fix it and it will work on Wine then. :)
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21:37.27Kaydeethreespillover fixes are fun and not unprecedented
21:37.32zenzelezz<Shirik> did I seriously drive faster than the internet? <--- are you talking about the dialup connection?
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21:39.17[Liquidor]_G is that holding all global stuff or is it the garbage holding all sessioned data?
21:41.11Cide_G contains all global variables
21:41.40zenzelezzconsider it a hall of shame
21:42.12TullerShirik: I see no ninja crime spree
21:44.24Shirik_G is a reference to the global environment
21:44.38Shirikhowever changing the value of _G will not change the global environment
21:46.42clad|bookalpha in color codes, when used in ChatFrames don't do anything, right?
21:47.51PolarinaGetItemInfo(nil) returns nil or errors?
21:48.07CideShirik: it will technically change the global environment's ["_G"] key!
21:48.16Shirik>.>
21:48.23Shirikyou should be a lawyer
21:48.29Cideoh, god no
21:48.34ElkanoPolarina, I think it will return a usage error
21:48.43PolarinaElkano: Oh..
21:48.54clad|bookusage
21:49.19Shirikbtw I am amazed at how easy it is to make an MSI package now that I've looked at what you showed me, cog|away
21:49.29clad|bookhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/b9d37470782b8eb906ce1059285f89b7.png specifially
21:49.33clad|bookPolarina:
21:49.50cog|workShirik: what route did you take?
21:50.00Shirikwell visual studio really does 99% of the work for youi
21:50.07ShirikI haven't quite figured out how to add registry keys though
21:51.45cog|workright-click on the setup project, select View->Registre
21:52.02cog|works/tre/try/
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21:52.31Shirikyup I see it now <3
21:56.14clad|bookcog|work: Idea for the book.
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21:56.36clad|bookEvery single summary, why don't we have the characters on the left margin spell out "ACERDX"
21:56.51Cairennlol
21:56.52Kaydeethreeahahahaha
21:58.02|Jelly|Laptopclad|book: I like it
21:58.20clad|bookcog|work:  I can't even convert that document, unlike the word one kaelten send =/
21:58.22clad|booksent
21:58.30clad|bookeff microsoft and their "open" closed formats.
21:58.32cog|work:|
21:58.40cog|workit's the same as gcal
21:58.43cog|workso stfu
21:58.49clad|bookhuh?
21:58.57cog|workthe stuff in the spreadsheet :P
21:58.58clad|bookcan you screenshot it for me, and post it on images.gammatester.com
21:59.02Kaeltenhrm?
21:59.04clad|bookthat's probably easiest
21:59.17cog|work?
21:59.35cog|workthere's nothing in the spreadsheet that isn't on our google calendar...
21:59.40clad|bookoh
21:59.41clad|bookokayu
21:59.44clad|bookjust making sure
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21:59.53clad|booki h8 you guys sending sekret documents
21:59.59cog|work[15:01]<cog|work>:|
22:00.01cog|workit's the same as gcal
22:00.02cog|workso stfu
22:00.04cog|work:P
22:00.05clad|booki feel like i'm not in the cool kids club
22:00.14clad|bookcog|work: couldn't figure out how you meant it... all clear now.
22:00.38cog|workyeah... i don't have 2007 at home but 'least i can use the compat. pack
22:01.02KaeltenI run in compat mode on 2k7 at home
22:01.04Kaelten:(
22:01.13cog|work~seen beladona
22:01.15purlbeladona <n=Beladona@24.129.136.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 14d 8h 38m 10s ago, saying: 'morning'.
22:02.02clad|bookkrka: When i pull up the history in WoWLua, it colors any colored text.. Any good ideas on how to handle that, other than escaping the pipes when i pull up the history?
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22:05.27Kaydeethreecompile faster, damn you
22:05.54bleeterKaydeethree: renice is your fwend!
22:06.21Kaydeethreethat still won't do me much good on a p4 2.4ghz northwood
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22:06.40bleeterrenice the gcc down to something mad like -20 and stop complaining! :P
22:06.51bleeterer, the make
22:07.23bleeteretc w/e... ain'treally looked into the build chain of Wine to see which process would be best for a renice ;)
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22:09.20sag_ich_nichti am thinking of creating a retro style interface :P
22:09.22sag_ich_nicht*:O
22:09.27sag_ich_nichtgood idea/bad idea
22:09.29sag_ich_nicht?
22:09.35Kaydeethreeall analog? that'd be interesting
22:09.50sag_ich_nichtnah
22:09.56sag_ich_nichtall pixels
22:10.03sag_ich_nichtfirst step: http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_082807_231347.jpg
22:10.20sag_ich_nichti didn't start at all yet
22:10.28Punkie`oh dear god
22:10.33sag_ich_nichtonly got the idea while i tried to change the font of the chat to fixedsys
22:10.41Shiriklol
22:10.52sag_ich_nichtmight start playing around with eepanels tomorrow to do it :O
22:10.54cog|workYou should do an art deco ui imo
22:11.17sag_ich_nichtlol cog|work
22:11.39Kaydeethreeick. grits
22:11.52sag_ich_nichtlol
22:11.55Mr_Rabies2grits are awesome
22:11.55Punkie`what's grits?
22:11.57Cidanew
22:12.04bleetersounds like floor sweepings
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22:12.25LunessaMr_Rabiesewwwww
22:12.29Mr_Rabies2a type of porrige made from grilled corn
22:12.30Punkie`in england grit is a thing you put on the road when it is icy
22:12.31sag_ich_nichtfirst step will be making everything BLACK in the background
22:12.35Lunessagrits is just nasty
22:12.39sag_ich_nichtusing eepanels
22:12.44Mr_Rabies2how's it nasty
22:12.45Cidanclad|book, LIES
22:12.46sag_ich_nichtclad|book lies
22:12.49Mr_Rabies2it's just milled corn
22:12.52Cairennhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits
22:13.13cog|workI'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body
22:13.30LunessaCream of Wheat, Malt-o-Meal, Grits, Hominy, Oatmeal mush, etc ... just.. nasty.
22:13.36Punkie`what does it taste like?
22:13.37PolarinaGameTooltip:Set<what> is called when hovering over gems in the socketing UI?
22:13.39sag_ich_nichtactually
22:13.44sag_ich_nichtscratch that idea
22:13.45Mr_Rabies2it tastes like milled corn
22:13.46Mr_Rabies2:X
22:13.50Punkie`i dont know what that is either :P
22:13.54sag_ich_nichti'll wait for patch 2.2 before i start creating that interface
22:13.54Lunessacog|work: Male lesbian is a recognized psychiatric condition.  
22:14.00Punkie`does it taste like porridge?
22:14.17sag_ich_nichtLunessa so you get a MTF OP and then live as lesbian?
22:14.23sag_ich_nichtman, that's fucked up.
22:14.26Cidanit just tases like a porridge of sorts
22:14.26Mr_Rabies2it's like a neutral milled grain flavor with a hint of corn
22:14.37Punkie`and why did you put cheese on it?
22:14.43Lunessasag_ich_nicht: It's been studied extensively... let me see if I can fins you a link...
22:14.44Cidanbecause he's nuts.
22:14.45Mr_Rabies2because it's good in it
22:14.51Punkie`sounds rank
22:14.52Mr_Rabies2alternatively butter and salt
22:14.56sag_ich_nichtbecause Mr_Rabies2 tries to prove that he's hardcore
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22:15.02CidanI don't like grits, but eh.
22:15.09Punkie`i like semolina
22:15.10Punkie`awesome
22:15.11bleeterlet's test the hardcore theory.. what KIND of cheese?
22:15.27Mr_Rabies2i said american cheese
22:15.31Lunessasag_ich_nicht: article for you: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_lesbian_and_gay_studies/v007/7.3schor.html
22:15.38amroergh, wine'd wow acting up again
22:15.41Mr_Rabies2just for extra spite
22:15.41Mr_Rabies2cheddar just isn't good in it
22:15.46Punkie`Mr_Rabies2: does it taste like semolina?
22:15.46Mr_Rabies2i bet mozzarella would be
22:15.49Mr_Rabies2i dunno
22:15.51Kaydeethreeamro, live or ptr?
22:15.54Mr_Rabies2lemme see what semolina is
22:16.07bleeterMr_Rabies2: blend of colby and cheddar
22:16.12LunessaSomeone at U of FLA got a grant to study it as well, but having trouble finsding proof.
22:16.14bleeteris what you really meant :P
22:16.21sag_ich_nichtLunessa: don't have an account
22:16.24Mr_Rabies2semolina's got a bit of sweetness
22:16.24amroKaydeethree: 2.1.3 actually
22:16.27Mr_Rabies2grits doesn't
22:16.29Punkie`ah ok
22:16.33Punkie`semolina is awesome
22:16.33Mr_Rabies2it's more neutral, maybe slightly salty
22:16.45Punkie`I could probably eat it
22:16.47Kaydeethreeso live then. you running in opengl mode?
22:16.49sag_ich_nichthttp://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Ripper Mr_Rabies2 don't try too hard to show us how hardcore you are
22:16.49Punkie`without the cheese, though
22:16.49Mr_Rabies2i've had cream of wheat, i just didn't know it was semolina
22:16.50amrotries to download patch and dies. I think the patch process died halfway at one point
22:16.50sag_ich_nichtmkay?
22:16.55Mr_Rabies2~~~shoa
22:17.03bleeterhardcore would be some romano and some mozerella and some permesan, as an eg
22:17.08bleeterparmesan
22:17.31Mr_Rabies2permesan: for when parmesan is too temporary
22:17.34amroKaydeethree: been using it like this for awhile with no problems, it dies when it tries to download the patch. i tried earlier from windows and there was no patch to dl....
22:17.38Lunessasag_ich_nicht: Anyway, it's just an oddity being explored in the vast wasteland of human sexual relations studies.  I'm not sure you could use it as a defense in court or anything. :)_
22:17.53bleeteramro: if it's stuck on 'waiting for files to close', switch your emulation to NT4 (although I have no probs in XP mode)
22:17.54Kaydeethreeis it the background downloader?
22:17.57CidanI love how these fucking nanny state fuckers are fucking trying to tell us to not fucking play these fucking games that are fucking out because it might fucking harm our fucking minds.  God fucking damn it, that makes me so mad.
22:18.13Mr_Rabies2what, cide
22:18.19bleeterCidan: stop fucking swearing or I'll fucking smash your fucking face in!
22:18.19Mr_Rabies2er
22:18.20Mr_Rabies2cidan
22:18.21Mr_Rabies2dammit
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22:18.22Cidegrr
22:18.23CidanNext up on the list: banned books, and the FUCKING PLANS TO INVADE POLAND
22:18.24Cidanchrist.
22:18.26CideCidan: change name already
22:18.27sag_ich_nicht~fuck Cidan
22:18.28CidanI hate it.
22:18.37sag_ich_nichtdamn you, purl
22:18.45sag_ich_nicht~~~~
22:18.46purlARGH!!! STOP IT sag_ich_nicht!!!
22:18.47cog|workMy favorite bumper sticker of all time:      Fuck you, you fucking fuck
22:18.48sag_ich_nichttkae that
22:18.50sag_ich_nicht*take
22:18.51Cideyou're the cause of like 1/3 of my pings
22:18.59amrobleeter: nah the wow exec freezes when it tries to download the downloader
22:19.03bleetercog|work: you seent he movie 'Blue Velvet'?
22:19.05CidanCide, I'm happy to know I'm so popular. :P
22:19.12amroor the torrent
22:19.12Cidemeh
22:19.13cog|workbleeter: not that i can recall
22:19.28Lunessableeter PABST Blue Ribbon!
22:19.33bleeteramro: yeah, there's something weird going on recently with regards to the main WoW.exe hanging when exiting... some say it's a regression error, some aren't too sure
22:19.43Cidelike 9/10 of the 1/3 pings are from Shirik, so it's not like it matters!
22:19.51Shirik?
22:20.03Cide<Cide> Cidan: change name already <Cide> you're the cause of like 1/3 of my pings
22:20.04bleetercog|work: dennis hopper does a rather good performance of a complete psycho, including a line that's very similar to that (if not word for word the same)
22:20.16Shiriklol
22:20.21Mr_Rabies2certain things require american cheese, bleeter
22:20.23CidanAt least SOMEONE actually _likes_ me
22:20.25CidanI KID, I KID!
22:20.27Cidan:D
22:20.29amrohm I forgot, I let it run like that and got a stack trace on WoWError, but I guess I'll just patch it from elsewhere
22:20.30Mr_Rabies2grilled cheese tastes like ass with plain cheddar
22:20.44CidanYou just left your self wide open. :x
22:20.54Mr_Rabies2cheese grits probably won't work with many of the stronger tasting cheeses
22:21.12amrogrits don't look edible to me
22:21.16Mr_Rabies2i do like stronger cheeses for some stuff but sometimes a nice mild, easily melting kind is awesome
22:21.28bleeterfor the record, it'd seem that the 5 or so min wait for the stack trace to generate under current Wine release, is the wow debugger writing out a 1.4GB file (estimated) to the crash dump log thing
22:21.44Kaydeethree!!
22:21.47amrooO
22:22.02Kaydeethreeand bleeter; hortus responded to your thread
22:22.46Kaydeethreeya
22:22.46Mr_Rabies2attn
22:22.55amrobleeter: holy shit, my Errors dir is 7.7gb from all those dumps...
22:22.58bleeterI've only been saying that since... like.. forever
22:23.09cog|workCairenn: is there a way to turn off the prompt for read receipts?
22:23.11amrolink to thread?
22:23.14bleeterI'm sure other WoW Winers have said similar in past 'our problems may help you guys with yours'
22:23.19Kaydeethreehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272360911&sid=1
22:23.27Kaydeethreebleeter, ya
22:23.27Mr_Rabies2:]
22:24.17Cairenncog|work: dunno, lemme ask dolby
22:24.38CidanCairenn, what server do you play in LotrO?
22:24.46Cairennsilverlode
22:25.29Cairennhttp://www.lotrointerface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89
22:25.33CairennCidan
22:26.43Mr_Rabies2dang, Cairenn
22:26.48Mr_Rabies2how many mmos do you play? :O
22:26.59Kaydeethreehow many ___interfaces are there?
22:27.02Cairenn2 with any regularity
22:27.09Punkie`http://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/full125.jpg <--- damn lotro looks terrible
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22:27.31Mr_Rabies2dear god
22:27.46Mr_Rabies2it looks worse than shadow...something
22:27.49CairennKaydeethree: 5 that we have sites for, multiple more that we don't because dolby-wowi and I just can't run any more by ourselves, we're stretched to the limit
22:28.31Mr_Rabies2why can't i think of it
22:28.33Mr_Rabies2shadowsomething
22:28.54Punkie`shadowshadows?
22:29.16Kaydeethreewoo, the wine compile's finally done
22:29.22Mr_Rabies2argh
22:29.23Mr_Rabies2shadowbane
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22:30.34amrothe quests in that screenshot look strangely familiar
22:31.37Mr_Rabies2okay maybe i lied
22:31.39Mr_Rabies2http://chronicle.ubi.com/ss/CandorianHeavyArmorwithSeraphSword.jpg
22:31.42Mr_Rabies2shadowbane is pretty ugly
22:31.55Mr_Rabies2the interface looks incredibly familiar
22:32.56Kaydeethreethe hack works!
22:34.00Cidanwell
22:34.02Cidanso far so good
22:34.07Cidanit looks like...
22:34.14Cidanit got a lot better
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22:38.32CidanOh yeah, the game def runs a lot better than it did before
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22:39.08bleeterhmm, no wonder I have no space left on my ~ .... /me removes 15GB of crashdumps
22:39.19bleeterthey were still in my DE's trash... oops
22:39.23Cidanlol
22:39.43Cidanone day, I will drop my addiction to games, then, I will run Linux full time on my desktop
22:39.43Cairenncog|work: not on the current version of the site, unless we disable them completely and utterly
22:40.04cog|workk
22:40.13CidanHowever, it is more likely that games will start to be produced for Linux before I drop my addiction. :(
22:40.39Punkie`woo free hugs?
22:40.45CidanReally?!
22:40.54Punkie`!!
22:41.00Punkie`this is awesome
22:41.00CidanYAY!
22:41.02CidanNo shit.
22:41.13amro~hug *
22:41.14purlACTION hugs * tightly until * turns slightly blue
22:41.28Punkie`woops sorry my leg slipped
22:41.57CidanYeah... right, that's what Melissa said in the 7th grade...
22:42.26Punkie`:(
22:45.52Punkie`gn! o/
22:46.02Punkie`hope those nuts get better Cidan
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22:47.16PolarinaGood night everyone.
22:47.23Cidannini
22:48.25bleetergnight Polarina, rest well :)
22:50.07bleeterKaydeethree: so, do you wanna file the 'WoW Live hangs on exit' bug for me in the Wine bugzilla? ;)
22:50.26amrook I'm confused, what's the current live version?
22:50.35Kaydeethree2.1.3 (6898)
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22:50.52amrothen how come my client tries to update? im at 2.1.3
22:51.02Kaydeethreewhat patch is it trying to download?
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22:51.24amrono idea, it hangs. I'm guessing 2.1.3-2.2
22:51.26bleeterI've seen stuff where the PTR patcher replaces the live launcher, causing live launcher to try to patch/update PTR.
22:52.27bleeter2.1.3 should be preloading 2.2 only for now, if the patch it tries to download is 0.2.0.xxxx then I suspect it's this launcher problem you've got. Solution? Don't use launcher ;)
22:52.46amroI don't use it
22:53.04bleeterweird
22:53.11bleeterI mean, the issue... not you ;)
22:53.23Kaydeethreehm? they had to patch the launcher to work on the PTR too because of the crash-on-load bug 6932 had on athlon machines
22:53.24amroalso, unless they changed it, I remember being able to download patches with any username/pass combo. this only starts to download if you use a correct pair though
22:53.53bleeterbbs
22:55.15amroWhat could it be trying to download? I down't get the regular download screen with the nelf backdrop, just "Downloading" in the login messagebox
22:57.45alestaneDoes {nil} return an empty table or throw an error?
22:58.17cog|worklua> print{nil}
22:58.17cladbotcog|work: {  } (#4)
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22:58.42cog|worklua> print(#({nil}))
22:58.42cladbotcog|work: 0
22:58.47alestaneGood grief, there's a Lua dumpbot?
22:58.59cog|worktwo, in fact, but cide's not on :P
22:59.29amrough I renamed WTF but forgot to set it to ogl and stuff
22:59.31amroso dumb
22:59.49alestaneSo, empty table with no error. That's what I was hoping.
22:59.55Mr_Rabies2man
23:00.13Cidan:D
23:00.19Mr_Rabies2i'm so useless at comforting people who have bad stuff happen to them :[
23:00.26Mr_Rabies2i'm too apathetic
23:02.01Cidaneh
23:02.02Cidanor not
23:02.08Mr_Rabies2:x
23:02.29CidanPersonally, I love to "comfort" people, in particular women.
23:02.52CidanBut hey, that's just me.
23:03.05Mr_Rabies2i'm awful at being helpful
23:03.17Mr_Rabies2i feel like such a monster to just not care
23:03.20Mr_Rabies2but i don't :/
23:03.59amrohm going to try something else
23:04.12CidanLikely because you're not close to the person.
23:04.13CidanIt happens
23:04.18CidanI have people bitch to me all the time
23:04.23CidanThe big thing is, be honest.
23:04.32Mr_Rabies2no, i don't even feel sad when a grandparent dies
23:04.38Mr_Rabies2maybe i just don't feel close to people at all
23:04.41CidanSuch is life.
23:04.41Mr_Rabies2i dunno
23:04.52Mr_Rabies2i just feel bad for not feeling bad
23:04.59CidanNothing wrong with that, even though you may hear otherwise
23:05.16Cidana lot of people, my self included, didn't come to feel sorrow in life unti much later.
23:05.25Cidanuntil, even
23:06.01Cidannow if you hit say, ~25 years of age
23:06.06Cidanand you can really look at your self and say
23:06.13Cidanyou don't care about the death of someone close to you
23:06.24Cidanyou should likely seek help
23:06.33Mr_Rabies2i'm 20 :x
23:06.37Cidanplenty to go
23:06.39Cidantrust me
23:06.52Mr_Rabies2i just... don't really care what happens to me or anyone else really :/
23:06.53Cidan20-25 you change more than 14-18
23:06.59Mr_Rabies2i want to, but just don't :[
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23:07.09Mr_Rabies2i'm apathy combined with laziness in some unholy combination
23:07.11CidanNor did I at 20, it will change.
23:07.22CidanOf course, you don't believe me, but it will change.
23:07.43amroanyone know how to disable pc speaker in windows? it doesn't support my sound card and the beeping is unbearable
23:07.51Mr_Rabies2amro
23:07.59Mr_Rabies2step 1: locate speaker connector
23:08.04CidanAnd you're thinking to your self how your situation is different, like, you feel nothing at all, almost empty
23:08.04Mr_Rabies2step 2: grab speaker connector
23:08.13Mr_Rabies2step 3: remove connector from motherboard
23:08.17Cidanlol
23:08.33Mr_Rabies2that's what i did
23:08.54amroeh i m only on windows temprorarily, nevermind
23:10.27amrobleeter: on windows I get "Downloading" then "Success" then the realmlist. any idea what's going on?
23:13.10Matrix110its normal
23:13.23CidanUnlikely
23:13.25Matrix110when the login server lags you can read some messages you cant read normally
23:13.30CidanIt means aliens are invading your home
23:13.33CidanWHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!?!
23:13.36Cidan:D
23:13.56Matrix110just upload something with max speed and dl something and login to wow there are other messages like that you think WTF???!?!?
23:14.30amroMatrix110: what's not normal is that when using wine it hangs and dumps at "Downloading"
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23:14.44bleeteramro: yes, that is
23:14.56bleeteramro: it's the H/W survey detection tripping something in Wine.
23:15.03bleeteroh, in windows?
23:15.21bleeterin wine, we just start in D3D mode, exit, then start back up in OGL... no idea re: Win32
23:15.52Matrix110amro well i guess its something that doesnt like wine:P
23:16.21bleeterfrom what I ascertained of the bug report, it's the blizz h/w survey ignoring the OGL directive and trying to enable D3D to get stats on that
23:16.38amrobleeter: you mean go through to the char screen in d3d?
23:17.03bleeterbut as it only happens once per account, it's near impossible to test, so I haven't bothered trying to replicate and get a decent WINEDEBUG dump
23:17.06bleeteramro: aye
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23:18.03bleeter*impossible to repeatedly test
23:18.04amrobleeter: okay, thanks!
23:18.17bleeteramro: welcome :)
23:18.53alestaneBleh, the biggest stumbling block to my action bar rewrite is duplicating the sliding bar on stance change.
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23:20.11cog|workalestane .... err... nm
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23:20.32cog|workalestane: the animation can be done just like it is on the default bars
23:20.56Kaydeethreewow... I've never seen this before
23:20.57cog|worksince you don't actually need to be able to click the buttons you can use non-protected frames
23:20.57Kaydeethreehttp://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=CLX&brand=wui&num=6&delay=15&noclutter=0&type=N0R&t=1113006724&showlabels=1
23:21.08Kaydeethreethat thin little band advancing ahead of the front
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23:21.32cog|workweird
23:21.47cog|workalmost looks like it should be a glitch
23:21.52Kaydeethreebut it wasn't
23:21.58alestaneSo, just show it with the new textures, scroll it over the other, then hide it, no clickability?
23:22.10cog|workyep
23:22.41alestaneOnly problem is that the default buttons will change as soon as the action page does.
23:23.06cog|workI'm not sure there's any way to change that...
23:23.14alestaneBut could scroll images of the old ones out from in front of them.
23:23.36cog|workyep... would be somewhat hackish though...
23:24.11cog|workmaybe in the icon updating code, use a timer to schedule the icon change
23:24.26alestaneDo you know, for warriors who always in a stance, is the page for Battle Stance on page 1 considered a bonus bar?
23:24.46cog|workyes. page one is always the bonus bar for warriors
23:25.25alestaneTHen I could make the bonus bar a separate state header, and reuse as much of the code as possible.
23:26.20alestaneWhich makes the single most annoying part setting up the page settings for druids, since their stance settings are so uncertain.
23:27.08cog|workKaydeethree: aliens, imo
23:27.14cog|worki can't stop watching it...
23:37.49Kaydeethreeweird... the bow echo is even more pronounced now... refresh the image cog
23:39.29Corrodiasuncertain? howso?
23:41.36bleeterKaydeethree: can you open up your PTR SESound.log, and see if reverb's been enabled. Feel free to post a comment to that bugzilla entry regarding results. I've gotta dash now, thanks again for your test!
23:41.59bleeter(I'm suspecting it's not, and that the reverb detection code is the cause of the multi-platform audio grief)
23:42.11Kaydeethree8/28 18:32:31.739   - Reverb is DISABLED
23:42.15bleetercool
23:42.23bleeterpre-hack, we'd never get that far ;)
23:42.28Kaydeethreenope
23:42.29alestaneCorrodias: You can't be certain on a druid whether a given stance number maps to a stance that has its own action page.
23:43.20Corrodiaswell, 1 and 3 do. i don't think any others do.
23:43.37Corrodiasi should go check
23:43.43alestane3 doesn't though, they skipped if the sea lion quest.
23:43.51alestanegrammar*
23:43.59Corrodiasoh, i see
23:44.09alestaneThen 1 and 2 will.
23:44.16Corrodiashave you tested that?
23:44.39alestaneAnd 5 depends on whether they took Moonkin or Tree of Life, otherwise 5 is flight form.
23:45.55Corrodiasor 4, if that's the case :)
23:45.59Corrodiasbut those don't have separate stances
23:46.05Corrodiaser, pages. normally.
23:46.05alestaneSo you have to go through and check which stance corresponds to which form, and to top it off, it could change during play based on learning new spells/respeccing.
23:49.52alestaneDoes anyone know, is it POSSIBLE to get Berserker stance without getting Defensive stance, or is there a prerequisite there?
23:50.24|Jelly|http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272301508&sid=1 <-- Would macros like that annoy the hell out of anyone else?
23:51.19alestaneSerenity does stuff like that all the time, but it's usually restricted to certain spells like Resurrection.
23:51.23Corrodiasalmost certainly, depending on how it was used
23:51.43Corrodiasif it was any time he cast Greater Heal, i'd kill him
23:52.03alestaneIt's more bearable if there's a sufficiently large variety of things said, or for common spells if there's a throttle that only says somethig x% of the time.
23:52.07|Jelly|"heal macro" :(
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23:55.53alestaneI feel slightly silly working on my alternative FrameXML because the latest PTR build includes the first generation of my suggestion, which Slouken apparently ran off to implement before reading my response.
23:56.12JoshBorkealestane: eh?
23:57.06alestaneI suggested 'actionpage' as an attribute of action bar frames, then decided a potentially state-sensitive 'actionoffset' would make more sense.
23:57.27alestaneNow all the action bars on the PTR are being built with 'actionpage'.
23:58.01JoshBorkelol
23:58.08clad|bookYou can get berserker stance without getting defensive stance.
23:58.43alestaneAnd I'm trying to submit a rewrite with my more developed ideas, so I'm basically saying 'thanks for using my suggestion but I have a better one already'.
23:58.47Kaydeethreeoh wow... http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=300petstc3.jpg
23:59.06Kaydeethreeapparently the azshara quest can bug out and let people summon more than one felhunter at a time
23:59.16alestaneclad|book: but what will happen to you action slots if you then get Defensive Stance?
23:59.33clad|booksame as with druids
23:59.35clad|bookthey move up a stance

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