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| 00:23.31 | Thrae | Hmmm, if I just want to see if a given string is "updated" from last time the table was given this string, could I store some other then the entire string? Or does it not matter, since eitherway, the string will be in the string pool until this update process goes through? |
| 00:26.27 | clad|away | I'm not sure what your question is. |
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| 00:29.21 | Thrae | Well, say I have a string "Foo" saved in table T.last. My function gets passed the "Foo" string. "Foo" == "Foo", so no update is required. But if "Foo" == "Bar", then an update of the table T is required. I don't actually need T.last in any other capacity then to compare it bitwise to strings given. |
| 00:29.42 | Thrae | Errr |
| 00:29.59 | Thrae | s/But if "Foo" == "Bar"/But if "Bar" is passed/ |
| 00:30.37 | clad|away | "Foo" can't be == to "Bar" |
| 00:30.41 | clad|away | and "Foo" is always equal to "Foo" |
| 00:30.45 | clad|away | I'm really lost =/ |
| 00:31.34 | Thrae | Well, say I have a string "Foo" saved in table T.last. My function gets passed the "Foo" string. T.last == "Foo", so no update is required. But if "Bar" is passed to the aforementioned function, then an update of the table T is required, since T.last != "Bar". I don't actually need T.last in any other capacity then to compare it bitwise to strings given. |
| 00:31.52 | Thrae | Sorry, multitasking. |
| 00:32.12 | clad|away | Whats the _question_ |
| 00:32.17 | clad|away | there isn't one in your statement |
| 00:33.05 | Thrae | The question is, how can I avoid saving an entire string object when I just need something to do the bitwise comparison between strings? Just trying to save a little memory. |
| 00:33.28 | clad|away | in order to compare two things, you have to have two things.. so you need to store it somewhere |
| 00:33.40 | clad|away | in an upvalue, in a new closure, in a table.. somewhere |
| 00:34.19 | Thrae | Right, but I was trying to think about how to reduce the overhead of a string comparison when I don't need the string in any other capacity then comparisons. |
| 00:34.30 | clad|away | a string comparison is a pointer comparison |
| 00:34.34 | clad|away | there's virtually no cost |
| 00:34.47 | Thrae | Ahhh, it's a pointer comparison. So the string needs to be in memory. |
| 00:34.48 | clad|away | and what you're talking about depends entirely on scale. |
| 00:34.59 | Thrae | That's what I thought. Hmm. |
| 00:35.24 | clad|away | but there's no o0ther slutino |
| 00:35.35 | Thrae | Yeah, thought as much. |
| 00:35.39 | clad|away | other solution.. if you need to compare tow things, you need them |
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| 00:36.41 | clad|away | headed to dinner, bbiab |
| 00:37.30 | Thrae | Sorry for being vague. My mind seems to be groggy today. Trying to work on too many things at once. |
| 00:37.40 | clad|away | np |
| 00:38.20 | bleeter | hmm, thoughts on new UI request. Searchable field in the guild window, akin to the search in profession. Anyone think it's a silly idea? |
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| 00:42.16 | Thunder_Child | search for what? |
| 00:43.02 | [Liquidor] | Guillotine |
| 00:43.07 | Cidan | guild members, I assume. |
| 00:44.20 | Thunder_Child | i'd rather have the ability to filter what you see; level, class, location, etc. |
| 00:44.52 | bleeter | filter any match |
| 00:45.05 | bleeter | at the moment, one has to sort the list, then scroll around |
| 00:45.22 | Thunder_Child | e.g. i just want to see lvl 70 hea;ers in kara |
| 00:45.27 | Thunder_Child | healers* |
| 00:45.44 | bleeter | or alternatively, one has to do a who request on your own guild/zone etc |
| 00:47.57 | Thunder_Child | sound good to me |
| 00:48.02 | Thunder_Child | sounds* |
| 00:58.00 | Cidan | a thousand internets to the person who remembers this video: |
| 00:58.01 | Cidan | http://www.3monkeyweb.com/wiki/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=4&postId=45 |
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| 00:58.35 | Thunder_Child | heh, i liked the US one better |
| 00:58.48 | Thunder_Child | i think it was capitals |
| 00:59.23 | Thunder_Child | then they had a presedent one as wel |
| 00:59.25 | Thunder_Child | l |
| 00:59.44 | Cidan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8aZp6TnL08 |
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| 01:00.26 | Thunder_Child | heh..i think at this point i wast to start finding things that *arent* on you tube |
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| 01:06.03 | Shirik | ~botmail for JoshBorke <3 |
| 01:09.26 | Cidan | quick everyone |
| 01:09.30 | Cidan | arms or fury spec? |
| 01:09.42 | Cide | for what? |
| 01:09.50 | Cidan | for... a warrior? |
| 01:09.56 | Cide | ... |
| 01:09.57 | Cidan | for my warrior, :P |
| 01:10.03 | Cide | for pvp? leveling? |
| 01:10.06 | Shirik | ret. |
| 01:10.06 | Cide | pve dps? |
| 01:10.07 | Cidan | leveling |
| 01:10.08 | Shirik | go ret. |
| 01:10.10 | Cide | fury |
| 01:10.12 | Shirik | ret! |
| 01:10.29 | Shirik | but yeah seriously, fury |
| 01:10.35 | Shirik | but only if on drenden |
| 01:10.41 | Shirik | otherwise level as prot |
| 01:10.43 | Shirik | and suffer |
| 01:10.47 | Shirik | for all eternity |
| 01:11.13 | Cidan | booming voice I guess? |
| 01:11.14 | Shirik | seriously though, does walgreens carry sodas? |
| 01:11.21 | Cidan | yessir |
| 01:11.23 | Shirik | I just ran out of sprite :( |
| 01:11.27 | Shirik | I think they're open 24/7 though |
| 01:11.41 | Cidan | yes, they are |
| 01:11.45 | Cidan | well most are |
| 01:12.14 | Guillotine | [Liquidor]: ping |
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| 01:15.25 | Cidan | hmm, why is Fury so much better? |
| 01:15.46 | Thunder_Child | 1 is sustained dmg, one is burst |
| 01:15.55 | Thunder_Child | bust for pvp sustained for pve |
| 01:16.32 | Thunder_Child | burst* |
| 01:16.44 | Cide | yep |
| 01:16.50 | Cide | you get more rage as fury |
| 01:17.57 | Cidan | I see... |
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| 02:20.24 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 02:20.25 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 02:22.30 | Cidan | man |
| 02:22.32 | Cidan | I love Bongos |
| 02:23.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a big fan of the congas personally |
| 02:23.12 | Cidan | lol |
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| 02:32.17 | Shirik | awesome |
| 02:32.19 | Shirik | my laptop kicked me off |
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| 02:33.40 | Cidan | it's a sign |
| 02:34.26 | Shirik | wow folder is set to share, now to transfer over files |
| 02:36.32 | Cidan | huge lightning storm |
| 02:36.36 | Cidan | it's nuts |
| 02:36.42 | Shirik | saddest part, you know |
| 02:36.47 | Shirik | I never had to zip up all those WoW files |
| 02:36.52 | Shirik | I wasted all that time |
| 02:36.56 | Cidan | lulz |
| 02:37.55 | Shirik | so apparently I have to "confirm" that I want to make a new folder in the Program Files directory |
| 02:37.58 | Shirik | awesome. |
| 02:38.00 | Shirik | Twice actually! |
| 02:38.10 | Shirik | no wait, 3 times |
| 02:39.48 | Cidan | turn off UAC, etc, etc |
| 02:39.57 | Cidan | oh, you mean merging folders |
| 02:39.58 | Cidan | right |
| 02:40.13 | Shirik | you need to tell me how to turn off UAC |
| 02:40.43 | Shirik | also, 1 hour remaining on /WoW/Data/* transfer ftl =( |
| 02:40.59 | Shirik | but it's better than burning 10 CDs given that my computer's CD drive is apparently working only 25% of the time |
| 02:41.57 | Cide | don't turn off UAC before you try it out |
| 02:42.05 | Shirik | I did try it out |
| 02:42.07 | Cide | I don't find it particularly annoying/invasive |
| 02:42.09 | Shirik | it makes me want to shoot someone |
| 02:42.14 | Cide | why? :P |
| 02:42.27 | Shirik | because every action I've done today requires at least 1 confirmation -_- |
| 02:42.36 | Cide | what have you done? installed a bunch of programs? |
| 02:42.38 | Shirik | most require at least 2 |
| 02:42.47 | Shirik | and drivers :P Yes yes I know |
| 02:42.52 | Cide | yeah, so there you go |
| 02:43.03 | Shirik | and enabling network tools |
| 02:43.09 | Shirik | such as file sharing, DHCP |
| 02:43.20 | Cide | you almost never get one during normal use |
| 02:43.22 | Shirik | I demand to be an administrator without a big brother! |
| 02:43.32 | Shirik | Actually, I have to go against that statement |
| 02:43.39 | Shirik | every time I run this one program, Vista yells at me |
| 02:43.43 | Cide | which? |
| 02:43.45 | Shirik | because it has to run as an admin I guess |
| 02:43.56 | Shirik | it's a digital music program |
| 02:44.02 | Shirik | rhapsody? You might have heard of it |
| 02:44.09 | Cide | haven't, no |
| 02:44.22 | Cide | sounds weird though, not sure what it would need that for! |
| 02:44.23 | Shirik | basically you pay $10/mo you can listen to anything you want |
| 02:44.30 | Shirik | I don't know why it needs it either |
| 02:44.35 | Shirik | I just followed instructions |
| 02:44.41 | AnduinLothar | prolly for the drm root kit |
| 02:44.56 | Shirik | it does use DRM |
| 02:48.06 | Cidan | I'm very much anti DRM |
| 02:48.27 | bleeter | DRM's dead |
| 02:48.28 | Shirik | not much I can do about that =( |
| 02:48.50 | Shirik | I got the program for free, free subscription, from when I worked at Best Buy |
| 02:48.53 | Shirik | not going to complain |
| 02:49.56 | Cide | the two things I don't like with vista are 1) compatibility folders 2) the lockdown on c:/program files |
| 02:49.58 | Cairenn|afk | hi everyone! |
| 02:50.09 | Cide | hi Cairenn |
| 02:50.12 | Shirik | Cairenn is hyperactive |
| 02:50.16 | Cairenn | wheeee |
| 02:50.45 | AnduinLothar | super cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIFCV2spKtg |
| 02:50.57 | AnduinLothar | if you care at all about 2d layout anyway |
| 02:52.22 | AnduinLothar | :) the eraser is super cool |
| 02:54.09 | AnduinLothar | I <3 resizable websites btw |
| 02:55.23 | Cide | that's really cool |
| 02:56.37 | mikma | wow |
| 02:58.06 | AnduinLothar | erm.. this is rly weird. IE want to downlaod my website... it asks me to save |
| 02:58.09 | AnduinLothar | karlkfi.com |
| 02:58.41 | AnduinLothar | wonder it it's the rounded corner lib's "css vis js" |
| 02:58.50 | Cairenn | that's pretty neat |
| 02:59.11 | Cairenn | (the video) |
| 02:59.24 | mikma | removing the dudes from the beach-picture was impressive |
| 02:59.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 03:00.33 | AnduinLothar | Can someone check http://www.karlkfi.com in ie (6 or 7) and tell me if it asks them to dl? |
| 03:01.26 | Cairenn | yes on FF IE tab |
| 03:01.33 | AnduinLothar | weird |
| 03:01.51 | Cairenn | and changed the link to your IP addy instead |
| 03:01.58 | Cairenn | http://72.211.209.199:82/blog/ |
| 03:02.01 | AnduinLothar | it's sposed to do that |
| 03:02.05 | Cairenn | k |
| 03:02.22 | AnduinLothar | tho i wish there was a way to have it not do that without an iframe |
| 03:02.32 | mikma | well mac ff+opera+safari worked fine |
| 03:02.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah mikma, Camino too |
| 03:03.02 | AnduinLothar | just ie gets confused |
| 03:03.24 | mikma | well frankly, that doesn't surprise me at all :D |
| 03:04.21 | AnduinLothar | well, up till today i had it looking identical on ie, even with the transparent image bg and stretching gradients in the header and the alpha'd shadow border. |
| 03:05.12 | AnduinLothar | i found a corner rounding lib tho I wanted to use to simplify some code, but it doesn't seem to be as robust as i wanted |
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| 03:31.23 | Cide | you're going through a lot of pain just to get a semi-transparent image, it seems :P |
| 03:31.47 | Cide | might be easier to just make a single image that simulates transparency |
| 03:35.30 | AnduinLothar | of course, but then it wouldn't resize the same |
| 03:35.57 | Cide | so make two (three) - start, middle (resizable), end |
| 03:36.37 | AnduinLothar | yup. could do that |
| 03:36.51 | AnduinLothar | wasn't really sure what i wanted when i started |
| 03:37.01 | Cide | might save you some pain in the end |
| 03:37.11 | AnduinLothar | anyway this i can tinker with without redoign the image |
| 03:37.32 | AnduinLothar | well, the pain was the fun part |
| 03:37.36 | Cide | haha |
| 03:37.41 | Cide | if you're masochistic! |
| 03:38.30 | AnduinLothar | i don't see many other site with horizontally rescalable gradients, much less with rounded corners and transparent shadows |
| 03:40.29 | AnduinLothar | more of a proof of concept toy anyway |
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| 03:45.16 | AnduinLothar | besises... i could animate this with js! |
| 03:45.49 | AnduinLothar | were i so inclined |
| 03:48.02 | Cide | oh god... |
| 03:51.03 | blq | hiho |
| 03:51.22 | Rallion | crazy thunderstorms tonight |
| 03:51.36 | Rallion | lightning occurrence rates like i've never seen |
| 03:51.53 | blq | where are you from? everytime I enter this chatroom anyone is talking of thunderstorms etc. |
| 03:52.02 | Rallion | central new york |
| 03:52.30 | blq | the guy yesterday was from ontario if I remember corectly |
| 03:52.31 | Rallion | over the course of about 45 minutes, I'd guess the average time between visible lightning was a bit under 2 seconds |
| 03:52.47 | Rallion | maximum time was just a bit under three seconds |
| 03:52.51 | Cairenn | girl, thank you kindly |
| 03:52.53 | Rallion | I was actually keeping track. |
| 03:52.58 | Cairenn | and I'm just a few hours north of Rallion |
| 03:53.14 | blq | Cairenn, oh sorry :( |
| 03:53.19 | Rallion | hehe |
| 03:53.19 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 03:53.29 | mikma | ouch! |
| 03:53.34 | Cairenn | but yes, there are actually girls on the internet, contrary to popular belief |
| 03:53.35 | mikma | can has balls plx |
| 03:53.41 | blq | ~slap |
| 03:54.52 | Shirik | seems like I'm fully installed finally :D |
| 03:54.59 | blq | hm.. |
| 03:55.03 | Shirik | wow running OK, ventrilo running ok, etc. :D |
| 03:55.14 | |Jelly|zZz | What did you do? lol |
| 03:55.27 | blq | ok but I'm not here to talk about thunderstorms or the female population on the internet... :/ |
| 03:55.35 | Shirik | hard drive failed, so I went on a bit of an upgrade speed |
| 03:55.38 | Shirik | s/speed/spree/ |
| 03:55.52 | |Jelly| | orly? |
| 03:56.51 | Shirik | AHAHAH |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik | I just figured out why WoW loaded so slow, though |
| 03:57.11 | Shirik | Apparently I accidentally executed WoW.exe on my laptop, so it was running over the wireless |
| 03:57.25 | Shirik | turning off my laptop got vista slighjtly annoyed |
| 03:58.54 | |Jelly| | What do you mean? WoW takes (no shit) about 3-5 minutes between the time I click on the icon and putting in my password. Nothing I've done (short of formatting cause I'm not ready to do that) has failed at helping. |
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| 04:01.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:01.11 | Shirik | vent definitely does not like vista I think |
| 04:01.18 | bl4q | re... had a d.c. |
| 04:01.41 | |Jelly| | lol...What's it doing? |
| 04:02.03 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:02.13 | bl4q | I actually tried to create some slashcommands.. everything worked fine.. let's say the command was /blq and to call several functions I added a parameter to the function called _msg. If I type /blq troll, _msg would be filled with troll. But now I tried to add a second parameter called _target my aim was to fill it with a second word I add after the slashcommand, for example: /blq troll me... somehow this didnt work |
| 04:02.17 | Shirik | well first it was just stupid things like nobody could hear me |
| 04:02.21 | Shirik | so then I go into settings |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | after some testing, I got spammed with "out of memory" like 500 times |
| 04:02.35 | Shirik | then "Ventrilo has stopped working" |
| 04:02.56 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 04:02.58 | bl4q | have you ever tried "voicemix" ? |
| 04:03.12 | bl4q | this tool manages several ventrilo versions and ts etc. |
| 04:03.24 | bl4q | maybe this would be a walkaround too |
| 04:04.11 | Shirik | never tried it |
| 04:05.13 | bl4q | http://www.zdnet.de/downloads/prg/4/9/en10579749_img-wc.html |
| 04:06.50 | Wobin | !c us argent dawn demonkiller |
| 04:06.58 | bl4q | back to my problem .. somehow lua everytime interpreted both following words after /blq as one parameter |
| 04:07.00 | ThraeBot | Wobin: Demonkiller, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (50/11/0). 6896 HP; 6238 Mana; 101 mana regen; 22 mp5; 5039 Armour; 1167 AP; 176.6 Melee DPS; 11.95% melee crit; 50 melee hit; 1271 RAP; 261 Ranged DPS; 11.95% ranged crit; 50 ranged hit; 16.79% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2307 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/28wq7b ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2senjx ][ Updated: Sun Aug 26 00:16:45 2007 ]] |
| 04:07.55 | bl4q | !c de terrordar sharva |
| 04:08.11 | bl4q | !c eu terrordar sharva |
| 04:08.20 | ThraeBot | bl4q: Sharva, Level 49 Orc Hunter (40/0/0). 2444 HP; 2085 Mana; 76 mana regen; 418 AP; 59.2 Melee DPS; 8.45% melee crit; 100 Ranged DPS; 8.93% ranged crit; 10.75% dodge;[[ TBR: 1357 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cdscj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/345sxe ][ Updated: Sun Aug 26 00:18:05 2007 ]] |
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| 04:10.58 | bl4q | hm.. I'm not sure if anyone noticed my question :/ |
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| 04:16.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.aksioma.org/brainloop/video.html |
| 04:25.37 | Cidan | bl4q, okay |
| 04:25.46 | Cidan | bl4q, so you're trying to /blq troll me |
| 04:26.01 | Cidan | and you want troll, and me, passed as two arguments? |
| 04:26.53 | Cidan | amirite? |
| 04:28.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GROAiRhNQ |
| 04:31.07 | bleeter | Cidan: 14:18 -!- blq [i=Bl@dslb-088-064-144-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 04:31.10 | bleeter | 14:25 < Cidan> bl4q, okay |
| 04:31.12 | bleeter | Cidan: they logged ;) |
| 04:31.41 | Cidan | bl4q, != blq |
| 04:31.52 | bleeter | ah, damnit, I'm so blind! |
| 04:32.03 | Thunder_Child | ~blind bleeter |
| 04:32.16 | Thunder_Child | purl fails again |
| 04:32.20 | Shirik | so... I got ventrilo to work with vista, it's happy |
| 04:32.27 | Shirik | I don't really see any major problems with vista tbph |
| 04:32.38 | Shirik | And I even went against Cidan's advice and installed the 64 bit edition |
| 04:32.40 | bl4q | Cidan: exactly |
| 04:32.56 | Thunder_Child | depends on your hardware setup, thats the biggest issue i had |
| 04:33.11 | Cidan | bl4q, you can't, it will pass as one big argument, you have to split it up |
| 04:33.53 | bl4q | so i just could do 2 slashcommand /blq troll and /blqtroll me |
| 04:34.00 | Cidan | no... |
| 04:34.17 | Cidan | you do /blq troll me |
| 04:34.27 | Cidan | then in the function, you split the string where the space is |
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| 04:34.50 | bl4q | ah, ok .. thanx :) |
| 04:38.49 | Thunder_Child | is this really interesting enough to be front page news? "Daniel Radcliffe. Clean-cut young wizard Harry Potter has also appeared on stage nude in a West End play. Find out more about Daniel!" |
| 04:41.11 | ckknight | he was in Equus |
| 04:41.16 | ckknight | didn't everyone know this already? |
| 04:41.28 | Thunder_Child | not i...didnt really care tbh |
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| 05:57.48 | Elyssah | umm.. hi |
| 05:58.06 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 05:58.42 | Elyssah | so... i'm new to the addon authoring world, and i was hoping i could find someone with some spare time and a lot of patience. |
| 05:59.01 | |Jelly| | Spare time. Check. Lots of patience. No go. |
| 05:59.10 | |Jelly| | What are you looking for? |
| 05:59.18 | Elyssah | to explain somethings that i don't quite understand |
| 05:59.29 | Elyssah | mostly xml, some lua |
| 05:59.39 | |Jelly| | Stop being timid. For the most part, we're not going to bite you; ask your questions. |
| 05:59.48 | Elyssah | pfft |
| 05:59.54 | |Jelly| | (mainly cause I have to leave here shortly) |
| 06:00.09 | Elyssah | if you gotta leave, you gotta leave |
| 06:00.27 | |Jelly| | There's 106 people in here so like I said, ask. lol |
| 06:00.45 | Elyssah | >,> you're the only one responding so far |
| 06:01.05 | Elyssah | at any rate, i want to put tabs in my addon to switch between different frames |
| 06:01.08 | |Jelly|ninja-afk | And now, I'm not. : \ |
| 06:01.17 | Elyssah | bubuy |
| 06:01.56 | Elyssah | i read over the tutorial on wowwiki, and what search turned up for the wowinterface forums |
| 06:02.43 | Elyssah | but i'm not "getting" the cleaner version |
| 06:03.36 | Elyssah | if anyone is willing to point me in a direction, i would be greatful |
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| 06:03.53 | Elyssah | grateful, however you spell it |
| 06:05.13 | Elyssah | hi chuckg |
| 06:05.21 | chuckg | Hello there. |
| 06:05.40 | Elyssah | know anything about xml? |
| 06:05.56 | chuckg | Lots. |
| 06:06.08 | Elyssah | got some time to spare? |
| 06:06.27 | chuckg | What's your question? |
| 06:06.35 | Elyssah | i'm new to xml, was hoping to find a guru |
| 06:06.47 | chuckg | I'm far from it. |
| 06:07.10 | Elyssah | well, even intermediate works |
| 06:07.10 | chuckg | XML is just trial and error, copy and paste. |
| 06:07.19 | chuckg | What are you trying to do? |
| 06:07.40 | Elyssah | i want to put tabs into my addon, like explained here: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_Tabbed_Windows |
| 06:07.54 | Elyssah | i follow the long messy version |
| 06:08.07 | Elyssah | but the cleaner one is stumping me |
| 06:08.28 | Elyssah | some things are left out, maybe assuming more skill from the reader than i have |
| 06:08.31 | chuckg | The tabs in LUA section? |
| 06:08.55 | Elyssah | not the functions, but how the tabs are listed in the xml |
| 06:09.21 | Elyssah | stupid Q1: the template button, where the heck do i put the original? |
| 06:09.42 | chuckg | That whole example is one solid piece. |
| 06:09.45 | chuckg | It's not two separate examples. |
| 06:10.32 | chuckg | I don't believe anything is left out. |
| 06:10.35 | Elyssah | ah |
| 06:10.38 | Elyssah | well then.. |
| 06:10.44 | chuckg | You have the XML frame creation. |
| 06:10.53 | chuckg | You have your simple addon title + 2 layers, tab 1 and 2. |
| 06:11.00 | chuckg | Sorry, frames within. |
| 06:11.02 | chuckg | Not layers. |
| 06:11.17 | chuckg | Then you have your two buttons which correspond to their respective child frames. |
| 06:11.19 | Elyssah | that would be why i couldn't follow, i thought they were two examples of the same thing |
| 06:11.31 | chuckg | And No. |
| 06:11.52 | chuckg | The LUA portion initiates and sets the state. |
| 06:12.00 | Elyssah | thank you chuckg |
| 06:12.20 | chuckg | It tells the engine are two tabs within your said frame, sets the tab to the first of two, then shows the first tab and hides the second. |
| 06:12.30 | chuckg | Your buttons show and or hide their respective frames on click. |
| 06:12.38 | Elyssah | *nods* |
| 06:12.39 | chuckg | That's the <Button> section, though it's templated. |
| 06:12.45 | chuckg | You know what a template is? |
| 06:13.14 | Elyssah | yes, it's an invisible item that you can reference when you use the item multiple times |
| 06:13.25 | Elyssah | instead of typing it out every time |
| 06:13.36 | chuckg | I'm waiting for someone to jump in and correct some detail I mis-defined in some slight way and spend 15 minutes telling you how I was wrong. |
| 06:13.37 | chuckg | :) |
| 06:13.44 | chuckg | Ok then. |
| 06:13.46 | chuckg | Cheers! |
| 06:14.07 | Elyssah | bah, i've learned more in 5 min talking to you than i have figured in an hr. that's why i dled mirc and came here =D |
| 06:14.45 | chuckg | It's a beautiful thing when you can get some help, no one will disagree with you there. |
| 06:14.52 | chuckg | Just careful you don't step in the bullshit :) |
| 06:15.01 | Elyssah | ok, now the button template, where do i put it? |
| 06:15.20 | Elyssah | because i don't have a template frame |
| 06:15.23 | chuckg | Above your frame definition is fine. |
| 06:15.36 | Elyssah | does it go in each frame def? |
| 06:15.54 | chuckg | No. |
| 06:16.09 | chuckg | Have you downloaded the Blizzard UI paack? |
| 06:16.13 | Elyssah | yes |
| 06:16.19 | chuckg | Extract that, open up one of the xml files. |
| 06:16.30 | chuckg | It's chock full of templates, both definition and inherits. |
| 06:16.33 | Elyssah | the character ui for example... |
| 06:16.36 | chuckg | That's probably the best way to get a grasp on it. |
| 06:17.07 | Elyssah | bloody hell... ok, off i go |
| 06:17.12 | chuckg | If it's virtual it doesn't need to be a child of anything. |
| 06:17.18 | chuckg | Because it's virtual. |
| 06:17.18 | chuckg | :) |
| 06:17.33 | Elyssah | ok, 1 more question before i go |
| 06:17.36 | chuckg | At least I think that's right. |
| 06:17.49 | Elyssah | so i want tabs to flip between "pages" |
| 06:18.10 | Elyssah | like we do with the bliz char ui, social ui, etc |
| 06:18.32 | Elyssah | nm.. i'm sure i will be able to tell when i look at the xml |
| 06:18.41 | Elyssah | framexml right? |
| 06:18.47 | chuckg | My understanding of paging is that it's just a refresh of the same frame, only updated with different data. |
| 06:18.57 | chuckg | It's not an actual different frame. |
| 06:18.59 | chuckg | Like tabs are. |
| 06:19.03 | chuckg | At least, that's how I'd do it. |
| 06:19.16 | chuckg | Think of it like this... |
| 06:19.24 | chuckg | You keep an internal state, page 1, 2, 3. |
| 06:19.29 | chuckg | You have 10 rows of data. |
| 06:19.39 | chuckg | When internal state goes up to 2, you multiple row 1 through 10 by 2. |
| 06:19.46 | chuckg | Err, add by 10. |
| 06:19.47 | chuckg | Or whatever. |
| 06:19.53 | Elyssah | i don't want pages like you get when you open a book in wow |
| 06:19.53 | chuckg | To get 11 through 20. |
| 06:20.03 | chuckg | I'm not sure what you're after then. |
| 06:20.41 | Elyssah | like the social panel, you have one tab for friends, one for guild, one for raid, one for who |
| 06:20.46 | chuckg | Hurry my melatonin is kickg in. |
| 06:20.50 | chuckg | That's just tabs. |
| 06:20.55 | chuckg | Same stuff that's on your HOWTO. |
| 06:21.02 | Elyssah | are they each individual frames? |
| 06:21.09 | chuckg | Yes, within a single parent. |
| 06:21.12 | Elyssah | or are they all children of a parent? |
| 06:21.23 | chuckg | They are each individual frames. |
| 06:21.26 | chuckg | As children. |
| 06:21.28 | chuckg | Of a parent. |
| 06:21.33 | Elyssah | so <frame> <frames> ? |
| 06:21.38 | chuckg | Right. |
| 06:21.53 | chuckg | <Frame> has children <Frames> <Frame child1> </Frames> </Frame> |
| 06:22.56 | Elyssah | so.. <Frame name="parentframe"><frames><frame name="childframe1"></frame><frame name="childframe2"></frame></frames></frame> |
| 06:23.00 | Elyssah | ??? |
| 06:23.13 | chuckg | Yep. |
| 06:23.16 | Elyssah | gah! |
| 06:23.16 | chuckg | Just like the example. |
| 06:23.22 | chuckg | They're all frames. |
| 06:23.33 | chuckg | In fact. |
| 06:23.35 | Elyssah | this is reminding me of tables in html... |
| 06:23.41 | chuckg | parentframe in that example is just a child of uiparent. |
| 06:23.43 | chuckg | So. |
| 06:23.45 | chuckg | Keep that in mind. |
| 06:23.51 | chuckg | Everything is just a child of something. |
| 06:23.55 | chuckg | That's what xml is. |
| 06:24.00 | chuckg | Nested entites. |
| 06:24.06 | Elyssah | i wish there was a dreamweaver for xml... |
| 06:24.09 | chuckg | HTML is XML... |
| 06:24.11 | chuckg | More or less. |
| 06:24.27 | chuckg | XHTML is the translation. |
| 06:24.41 | chuckg | XML is what you define it. |
| 06:24.46 | chuckg | You could make something like.. |
| 06:25.30 | chuckg | <irc><client1><name>chuckg</name><from>california</from></client1><client2>Elyssah</client2><from>who knows</from></irc> |
| 06:25.32 | chuckg | That's valid. |
| 06:25.37 | bleeter | gnight Cairenn|afk |
| 06:25.38 | chuckg | Shitty, but valid. |
| 06:25.49 | Cairenn|afk | night bleeter |
| 06:26.07 | Elyssah | i think i get it |
| 06:26.19 | chuckg | "Knowing" XML doesn't really mean anything. |
| 06:26.29 | chuckg | Knowing the syntax of whatever engine it is that's parsing you XML, that's the trick. |
| 06:26.43 | Elyssah | so.. my button template will go in my parent frame, and then the template use will be used in my child frames? |
| 06:26.46 | chuckg | Browsers are, more or less don't quote me on this, just parsing HTML as an XML syntax. |
| 06:27.00 | chuckg | Button template doesn't go in the primary frame def. |
| 06:27.02 | chuckg | Just put it above. |
| 06:27.26 | chuckg | <button template></button template> <frame><buttons inherit="button template"></buttons></frame> |
| 06:27.28 | Elyssah | so <Ui> <button></button><Frame name="parentframe"> ?? |
| 06:27.37 | chuckg | Don't call it parentFrame. |
| 06:27.39 | chuckg | :| |
| 06:27.44 | chuckg | But yea. |
| 06:27.46 | Elyssah | ok... adult frame? |
| 06:27.50 | chuckg | No. |
| 06:27.54 | chuckg | It's for you to name. |
| 06:28.00 | chuckg | $parentTab1 |
| 06:28.11 | chuckg | Translates to THENAMEOFTHEPARENTTab1. |
| 06:28.23 | chuckg | <frame name="ElyssahFrame"> |
| 06:28.25 | Elyssah | i get that, but for clear understanding |
| 06:28.29 | chuckg | So it would be ElyssahFrameTab1 |
| 06:28.46 | chuckg | Name it. |
| 06:28.51 | chuckg | A good name would be your mod name. |
| 06:28.53 | chuckg | modNameFrame |
| 06:29.02 | Elyssah | i see |
| 06:29.04 | Elyssah | i think |
| 06:29.23 | chuckg | Night! |
| 06:29.30 | Elyssah | are you going? |
| 06:29.37 | chuckg | Yes indeed. |
| 06:29.48 | Elyssah | thank you for your help |
| 06:29.52 | chuckg | Sure |
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| 06:30.48 | Elyssah | hello gnor |
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| 06:34.52 | Elyssah | hi N3cr0 |
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| 07:08.31 | Chaotic_D | goodnight. |
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| 07:28.56 | AnduinLothar | anyone for dota? |
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| 08:03.24 | bleeter | hmm, report just came through that WoW PTR works with wine 0.9.44, released a day or so ago... think I might give it a go |
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| 08:16.59 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: that's nice. |
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| 08:17.45 | Chaotic_D | I lied. I'm awake. and hyper. |
| 08:18.16 | Chaotic_D | how can I test Lua commands? can I do that in WoW? just for a short line? |
| 08:18.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [09:28] <+AnduinLothar> anyone for dota? <--if you accept a really bad player, yes. |
| 08:18.47 | AnduinLothar | well, i suck too. jsut finished a game |
| 08:18.55 | Chaotic_D | ah, the bot's back. |
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| 08:19.18 | sag_ich_nicht | just have to get my PvP bracers first |
| 08:20.39 | Chaotic_D | Lua> note="Some words but then (32.7,87.4)"; print(note:gmatch("(%d+)^[%((%d.+),(%d.+)%)] ")) |
| 08:20.55 | Chaotic_D | ah crap. is it not on? :> |
| 08:21.25 | AnduinLothar | >>> print("hi") |
| 08:21.31 | AnduinLothar | cide isn't here tho |
| 08:22.48 | sag_ich_nicht | purl can do lua too, iirc |
| 08:25.34 | bleeter | needless to say, if PTR works under .44, I'll post a big 'so sorry I said Fmod wsa steaming PoS and you guys should use OAL instead' thread to the PTR forum ;) |
| 08:25.37 | bleeter | or similar |
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| 08:28.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ~item Veteran's Scaled Bracers |
| 08:28.32 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 08:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | what was the command for ThraeBot? >< |
| 08:28.40 | sag_ich_nicht | oh right |
| 08:28.44 | sag_ich_nicht | !i Veteran's Scaled Bracers |
| 08:28.50 | sag_ich_nicht | !item Veteran's Scaled Bracers |
| 08:28.50 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Name: Veteran's Scaled Bracers; Rarity: Purple; BoP; Wrist; +25 Stamina; +13 Intellect; +19 Strength; 2 Blue; 4 Yellow; +2 Resilience Rating socket bonus; Requires L70; 55 Durability; +13 CritRating; Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 22.. [[ http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32819 ]] |
| 08:28.54 | sag_ich_nicht | whoops :O |
| 08:28.57 | sag_ich_nicht | laggy bot :O |
| 08:29.02 | sag_ich_nicht | mine :O |
| 08:32.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae that rarity should say Epic, not Purple. |
| 08:32.26 | Chaotic_D | what do they call the square brackets in the Lua documentation? |
| 08:33.27 | bleeter | FUCK |
| 08:33.41 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: guy who reported audio success should've been reporting against 2.1.x, it'd seem |
| 08:33.41 | Chaotic_D | no, that doesn't sound right. :) |
| 08:34.16 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: I use "Purple" myself. I mean, you don't hear anyone say "He's decked out in Uncommons". |
| 08:34.53 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.57 | bleeter | :D |
| 08:35.40 | Chaotic_D | how do I get the part of the string if I can only identify the part of the string I DON'T want? |
| 08:36.32 | Thrae | Chaotic_D: substring = sm(yourstring, "(.+)partyoudon'twant") |
| 08:36.48 | Thrae | s/sm/string.match/ |
| 08:36.53 | Chaotic_D | oh. >_<; |
| 08:37.20 | Chaotic_D | well, I understood the important part. :> |
| 08:37.27 | Chaotic_D | not to put brackets on the parts I don't want. |
| 08:37.32 | bleeter | oh well, I'll keep building wine git anyways |
| 08:37.37 | Chaotic_D | thanks. |
| 08:38.19 | Thrae | Chaotic_D: If you want to change the string, then use string.gsub, such as -- yourstring = string.gsub(yourstring, "(.+)partyoudon'twant", "%1"). That'll work even if the partyoudon'twant doesn't exist. |
| 08:38.29 | sag_ich_nicht | [10:34] <Thrae> sag_ich_nicht: I use "Purple" myself. I mean, you don't hear anyone say "He's decked out in Uncommons". <--no, but you hear "he's decked out in epics" all the time. >:O |
| 08:38.40 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: I hear "Purples" more |
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| 08:42.21 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: I'm a sad li'l sheep... who wants to punch some 'bug's fixed' reporter in the face ;) |
| 08:42.51 | Chaotic_D | how do I trim whitespace? putting in %s* into the part I don't want doesn't seem to be helping. |
| 08:43.23 | Chaotic_D | optional whitespace between the part of the string I want and the part I don't want. |
| 08:45.16 | Chaotic_D | did I not read it right? it says %s is space characters. :S not the same kind of space? |
| 08:47.17 | Chaotic_D | hrm. it works for one space. * is supposed to find the largest somethingsomething of them. |
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| 09:06.51 | sag_ich_nicht | [10:42] <bleeter> sag_ich_nicht: I'm a sad li'l sheep... who wants to punch some 'bug's fixed' reporter in the face ;) <--what? |
| 09:07.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ~punch bleeter |
| 09:07.08 | purl | ACTION hits bleeter like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
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| 09:22.17 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: guy who reported audio success should've been reporting against 2.1.x, it'd seem |
| 09:23.33 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: suggestion for WoWI. A feature where mod authors can receive email notification when a new PTR is put up - far as I can tell at the moment, only way one knows is to watch the PTR Blizz thread, or launch the PTR client. It'd be nice if mod authors could get some kinda notification, I think :) |
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| 09:25.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Declined. |
| 09:25.46 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 09:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | you mean for WoWI |
| 09:25.51 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 09:25.52 | bleeter | yeah |
| 09:26.15 | bleeter | makes more sense that WoWI hold a PTR update mail list, imo, than Blizz themselves. |
| 09:26.21 | bleeter | well, from WoWI's perspective. |
| 09:30.21 | AnduinLothar | does this resolve? http://karlkfi.gotdns.com/ |
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| 09:32.41 | sag_ich_nicht | it resolves to SOMETHING |
| 09:33.12 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: www.dnsstuff.com |
| 09:33.36 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 09:33.38 | sag_ich_nicht | what WoW needs |
| 09:33.43 | sag_ich_nicht | in the BGs, is selectable spawnpoints |
| 09:35.38 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: resolves, can't connect... if you're doing a forward to a non-standard port or similar, would explain |
| 09:40.06 | AnduinLothar | rawr. my sucky isp blocks port 80 unless you pay for a business line.... which is like the same thing with 80 not blocked... |
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| 09:49.54 | AnduinLothar | lol, cox blocks 80 "to protect users from web server worms" and "protect bandwidth by preventing customers from running high-traffic web servers" |
| 09:50.07 | AnduinLothar | what if i just want to run a low traffic site... |
| 09:51.53 | Industrial | protect bandwidth? |
| 09:51.58 | Industrial | thats what you're selling |
| 09:52.08 | Industrial | GIEF not TAKE |
| 09:52.50 | AnduinLothar | i'd be fine with them disabling it by default if there was a way for me to request it unblocked.. |
| 09:52.58 | Industrial | besides things against the law like CP and shit, why should they touch it? |
| 09:54.29 | Industrial | and you dont protect users by shutting things off to them so they'll never know. you inform them and learn them how to protect themselves - if you really care. |
| 09:54.41 | Industrial | (imho) |
| 09:55.38 | AnduinLothar | i think it's just so they can make me pay more to have a business line |
| 09:56.08 | Industrial | yup |
| 10:03.07 | AnduinLothar | wish there was some way to convince a dns to register a port other than 80 |
| 10:12.03 | bleeter | port 80's got nothing to do with DNS, it's the HTTP protocol standard you need to change ;) |
| 10:12.18 | bleeter | or, at least, have a router in front of your odd port that can forward for you |
| 10:12.34 | AnduinLothar | router isn't the problem |
| 10:12.44 | AnduinLothar | isp blocks 80 |
| 10:13.05 | AnduinLothar | so my router has to accept something non-80 |
| 10:13.07 | bleeter | you need to find a friend with a fat pipe who can forward for you |
| 10:13.35 | bleeter | point the DNS at their router, and let that do the 80<->non-blocked by ISP port |
| 10:13.42 | AnduinLothar | well, forwarding isn't the problem. I already pay $5 a yr for url forwarding |
| 10:14.10 | nevcairiel | traffic forwarding wont come that cheap tho ;) |
| 10:14.14 | bleeter | that's DNS, not the port itself |
| 10:14.24 | bleeter | yeah, what nevcairiel said.. hence I said a friend ;) |
| 10:14.54 | AnduinLothar | how would you do that tho? |
| 10:15.19 | AnduinLothar | feed everything through the router redirect with mod_rewrite? |
| 10:15.35 | nevcairiel | nah, the router would do some iptables trickery |
| 10:15.37 | nevcairiel | no apache |
| 10:16.18 | AnduinLothar | sounds liek he'd need some decent router software too |
| 10:16.30 | bleeter | basically what you're after is the equiv of a transparent proxy |
| 10:16.35 | AnduinLothar | and not the crap that comes with a wrt |
| 10:18.37 | bleeter | wow, weirdest lag spike. could rez where I died immediately upon death. |
| 10:19.02 | bleeter | 30 seconds later, threw me alive back to the zone's g/t |
| 10:19.03 | bleeter | g/y |
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| 10:25.52 | Industrial | woops squid error at wowace? |
| 10:25.59 | Industrial | nm |
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| 13:44.03 | snegoviK | hi all |
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| 14:03.59 | Wobin | !c us argent dawn dragaera |
| 14:04.11 | ThraeBot | Wobin: Dragaera, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (15/46/0). 6799 HP; 5300 Mana; 130 mana regen; 31 mp5; 3821 Armour; 879 AP; 137.9 Melee DPS; 18.03% melee crit; 13 melee hit; 18 spell crit; 85 +spell dmg/heal; 15.92% dodge; 4.72% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1887 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ysldnx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3c5cvn ][ Updated: Sun Aug 26 10:13:57 2007 ]] |
| 14:05.19 | Wobin | !c us argent dawn pathfinder |
| 14:05.33 | ThraeBot | Wobin: Pathfinder, Level 68 Human Paladin (5/54/0). 7311 HP; 7080 Mana; 105 mana regen; 21 mp5; 10351 Armour; 726 AP; 127.4 Melee DPS; 4.67% melee crit; 3 melee hit; 43 spell crit; 236 +spell dmg/heal; 32 defense; 5.67% dodge; 6.4% block; 62 resilience;[[ TBR: 2053 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2atoc9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ypz43 ][ Updated: Sun Aug 26 10:15:16 2007 ]] |
| 14:10.53 | Wobin | I abuse poor ThraeBot so much =P |
| 14:11.03 | Wobin | but it's so handy to see how badly a pug will go |
| 14:20.20 | clad|away | lol |
| 14:20.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:20.40 | nevcairiel | use whispers to ThraeBot :P |
| 14:24.00 | snegoviK | !c eu stonemaul magnetica |
| 14:24.03 | snegoviK | owned |
| 14:24.04 | snegoviK | :))) |
| 14:24.10 | ThraeBot | snegoviK: Magnetica, Level 70 Draenei Priest (28/33/0). 7151 HP; 7890 Mana; 159 mana regen; 26 mp5; 160 spell crit; 8 spell hit; 573 +spell dmg; 624 +heal; 4.86% dodge; 24 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2166 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2z52wr ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3deq4q ][ Updated: Sun Aug 26 10:33:59 2007 ]] |
| 14:24.16 | snegoviK | oh it works |
| 14:24.59 | snegoviK | omg i ve got farm gear on |
| 14:25.03 | snegoviK | how disgraceful |
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| 16:29.52 | zenzelezz | http://www.fudidoemeio.blogger.com.br/bicicleta.jpg |
| 16:32.00 | Saint-N | TADA! |
| 16:32.23 | Saint-N | morning jew bagels |
| 16:32.54 | Cairenn | me arches an eyebrow at Saint-N |
| 16:33.10 | Saint-N | thats a compliment |
| 16:33.20 | Saint-N | since only jews can make good bagels and the jew bagels are the bestest |
| 16:33.39 | Kaydeethree | I uh... |
| 16:33.40 | Saint-N | and that was a redundant sentence |
| 16:33.58 | Saint-N | go on dispute it |
| 16:34.00 | Cairenn | Saint-N, dear - stop while you are ahead |
| 16:34.11 | Cairenn | or at least barely even |
| 16:34.26 | Saint-N | if thats offensive to anyone, i've misjudged you all |
| 16:34.44 | Kaydeethree | offensive, nah. way the hell out in left field, yah |
| 16:34.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i want some bagels and lox now |
| 16:34.57 | Cairenn | mmmm lox |
| 16:34.58 | Saint-N | im eating a bagel right now ;P |
| 16:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe he was happy that he got some morning bagels for breakfast |
| 16:35.27 | AnduinLothar | I'm offended at being called a bagel |
| 16:35.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | the freshly made ones are always better and especially when made in the old school jewish tradition |
| 16:36.21 | Saint-N | im in nyc |
| 16:36.26 | Saint-N | there ARE no other bagels ;P |
| 16:36.56 | Saint-N | and i9f you buy them from a coffee shop thats not run by jews you're a dirty stinking commie! |
| 16:37.04 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 16:37.21 | Saint-N | im in an odd mood today it appears |
| 16:37.44 | Saint-N | being awake for 28 hours so far and still needing to do a bunch of work related stuff tends to do that i suppose |
| 16:38.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think the confusion came from people misconstruing your initial sentence as a greeting |
| 16:38.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | as in |
| 16:39.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | good morning, my jew bagels in the channel |
| 16:40.06 | Saint-N | actually it was a greeting |
| 16:40.12 | snegoviK | -.- |
| 16:40.13 | Saint-N | not sure where i picked it up either |
| 16:40.21 | snegoviK | its crap |
| 16:40.27 | snegoviK | the greeting that is |
| 16:40.28 | Saint-N | but it was attached to the fact i was eatting a bagel at the time |
| 16:40.31 | snegoviK | bagels - good |
| 16:40.40 | Saint-N | of course it's crap it's not scottish ;) |
| 16:40.44 | snegoviK | :D |
| 16:41.29 | AnduinLothar | speaking of breakfast foods i have breakfast claws |
| 16:41.45 | AnduinLothar | and while not jewish or fresh, they are fairly tasty |
| 16:41.46 | Saint-N | oooo |
| 16:41.51 | Saint-N | those are pretty yummy too |
| 16:41.58 | Saint-N | oh hey guess what sad news i heard the other day |
| 16:42.27 | Saint-N | krispy kreme may have to file for bankruptcy because thier actually coffee and donut stores arent doing so well |
| 16:42.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had um |
| 16:42.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a steak biscuit |
| 16:43.47 | AnduinLothar | i thought they already went out of business |
| 16:44.10 | Saint-N | oh i may be behind on that |
| 16:44.23 | Saint-N | it wouldnt make me sad if they closed all thier coffee shops |
| 16:44.33 | Saint-N | it would make me sad if they never made krispy kremes again |
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| 16:47.07 | AnduinLothar | oic. apparently Krispy Kreme terminated it's southern CA franchise in 2006. |
| 16:47.24 | AnduinLothar | but it was then reinstated |
| 16:48.01 | AnduinLothar | pretty much all the stores i knew of shut down in 2006, i dunno how many still exist |
| 16:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so sad |
| 16:48.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 16:48.27 | AnduinLothar | i know the albertsons nearby stopped getting Krispy Kreme's delivered too |
| 16:48.33 | Thunder_Child | their donuts suck anyways |
| 16:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | lies |
| 16:48.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | lies and slander |
| 16:49.15 | Thunder_Child | opinions |
| 16:49.15 | Thunder_Child | opinions and...uhh....uhh.... |
| 16:49.17 | Cairenn | preferences |
| 16:49.25 | Thunder_Child | ty ^^ |
| 16:49.27 | Saint-N | everyone knows that anyone who says krispy kremes suck has never had one |
| 16:49.33 | AnduinLothar | http://www.krispykreme.com/doughnuts.pdf |
| 16:49.41 | Saint-N | cuz they've got crack in em, thts why they're so damn good |
| 16:50.10 | Saint-N | that must be inaccurate i dont see crack anywhere on that list |
| 16:50.41 | AnduinLothar | closest one now is in Orange, 9 miles away |
| 16:50.54 | Cidan | oh noes? |
| 16:50.57 | Cidan | 9 miles? |
| 16:51.09 | Thunder_Child | good, they are getting farther away |
| 16:51.21 | Saint-N | anduin is a heathen pay him no mind |
| 16:51.39 | Cidan | never really liked Krispy Kreme |
| 16:51.45 | Saint-N | err insert a thunderchild in there |
| 16:51.46 | Cidan | just, nothing special about em. |
| 16:52.00 | AnduinLothar | i like them, but i'm nto gonna drive 9 miles for um |
| 16:52.00 | Saint-N | aside from the fact they're awesome and you just want to eat until you assplode? |
| 16:52.43 | AnduinLothar | i <3 their glazed+chocolate |
| 16:52.53 | Cidan | 9 miles is like, 12 minutes |
| 16:52.55 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:52.56 | Cidan | if even |
| 16:53.15 | AnduinLothar | in so cal? |
| 16:53.19 | Cidan | nm |
| 16:53.21 | Cidan | that's like 45 min |
| 16:53.22 | Cidan | :D |
| 16:53.35 | AnduinLothar | I'm a fan of the chocolate covered creme filled, but they're too heavy most of the time |
| 16:54.00 | Saint-N | i like thier timbits |
| 16:54.08 | Saint-N | err donut holes |
| 16:54.51 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i'd normally have to take 3 freeways to get there |
| 16:55.20 | AnduinLothar | and you can ask Cairenn how she likes those |
| 16:55.49 | Cairenn | lol, Saint-N, your heritage is showing ;) |
| 16:55.55 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: *shudder* |
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| 17:03.34 | Punkie` | the nearest krispy creme place to me is like 100 miles away :P |
| 17:09.09 | Punkie` | i think so anyway, their 'uk' website doesnt work :P |
| 17:11.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've started to eat my bagels with a thin layer of oil or butter and a bit of large grain salt (unground, sea salt, etc) |
| 17:11.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like those huge pretzels only better :o |
| 17:11.40 | clad|away | hahah awesome |
| 17:11.51 | clad|away | sounds delicious |
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| 17:13.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have some of that vegetable oil spray and just lightly hit it with some |
| 17:13.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is somehow apparently fat free, perhaps because of how small the serving is in a few sprays |
| 17:13.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | (not the nonstick cooking spray) |
| 17:14.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | this stuff is for spraying on food to add flavor, not to nonstick it :P |
| 17:15.10 | Punkie` | so you like, take a bite, then throw a grain of salt in your mouth? |
| 17:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 17:16.01 | Punkie` | ? |
| 17:16.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i sprinkle it on there, it's not tequila |
| 17:16.43 | Punkie` | :D |
| 17:16.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whatever it is that people add the salt in an ass-backwards manner |
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| 17:23.51 | Kyahx | what's the default keybinding for "Next Action Bar" and "Previous Action Bar" |
| 17:24.13 | Kaydeethree | shift+up and shift+down iirc |
| 17:24.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | shift + mousewheel? shift + up? |
| 17:24.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know mine's shift + mousewheel but that could be an addon's doing |
| 17:24.47 | zenzelezz | mousewheel and up/down are both default |
| 17:24.53 | zenzelezz | in conjunction with shift |
| 17:24.54 | Kyahx | kk |
| 17:26.37 | Shirik | So someone rolled a 41 on this item |
| 17:26.43 | Shirik | I'm second to last to roll, I roll a 42 |
| 17:26.51 | Shirik | I laughed, then the last guy rolled a 43 |
| 17:26.53 | Shirik | I was pissed |
| 17:27.00 | |Jelly| | http://i19.tinypic.com/53zskdt.jp <-- I win |
| 17:27.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | brb |
| 17:27.24 | Shirik | wow. |
| 17:27.45 | Kaydeethree | hahaha |
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| 17:28.18 | |Jelly| | Yeah. I thought he hacked the roll at first and was all /roll 100 100 |
| 17:28.27 | |Jelly| | Was super pissed when I found out otherwise. |
| 17:28.29 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, why is raid being displayed on both chat panes? |
| 17:28.37 | Shirik | aren't you a priest, |Jelly| |
| 17:28.45 | |Jelly| | That's not my UI, firstly; I'm redoing hers for her. |
| 17:29.04 | |Jelly| | The reason it's on both chats is because one of them does combat too and she hasn'tchanged it...and I guess is too lazy. lol |
| 17:30.08 | |Jelly| | And yes, Shirik, I am a priest. <3 |
| 17:35.39 | |Jelly| | http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff167/Aeothan/Minimalist_UI_1.jpg WTB art. 8( |
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| 17:39.02 | Nicken | What fubar plugni says "Messages: 0"? |
| 17:39.49 | |Jelly| | Not sure. |
| 17:39.51 | mikma | that.. minimal? |
| 17:40.34 | |Jelly| | Mikma: If you're talking to me, no I would photochop that bar and make it wider. I need at least one full bar and I can mainly clique the rest. |
| 17:41.17 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Are you still here? |
| 17:41.26 | Shirik | hmm |
| 17:41.27 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 17:41.28 | Shirik | why? |
| 17:41.43 | |Jelly| | Simple yes/no question that I'm not gonna pester you about after you answer. :P |
| 17:41.47 | mikma | |Jelly|: but... minimalist? that? O_o |
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| 17:41.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:42.09 | |Jelly| | Is Conspiracy close(r) to having screenshots ready? |
| 17:42.19 | Cidan | no |
| 17:42.20 | Cidan | :D |
| 17:42.25 | Shirik | imho screenshots won't give it justice when it's ready |
| 17:42.32 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 17:42.42 | Shirik | and Cidan's being a pessimist |
| 17:42.43 | |Jelly| | Mikma: Yeah. I could pull it off, me's thinks. I've pretty much gotten tired of info overload. |
| 17:42.50 | nevcairiel | i hope its not pay-software again :shrug: |
| 17:42.52 | Shirik | windows are coming along nicely and when root's done, unit frames will be a piece of cake |
| 17:42.58 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Ours never was. |
| 17:43.05 | |Jelly| | ...and that's not my UI, if you're questioning it's minimalist-ness. |
| 17:43.23 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.29 | |Jelly| | *waits patiently* |
| 17:43.31 | Shirik | also, the little "ding" that vista does |
| 17:43.35 | Shirik | is the coolest sound in the world |
| 17:43.36 | Shirik | seriously |
| 17:43.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: oh, sorry then. RDX always has that bad aftertaste of being pay-software for me.. :) |
| 17:43.42 | Shirik | I could sit here in mirc just hitting backspace all day |
| 17:43.45 | mikma | |Jelly|: try that layout with less than 20MiB, then it might be minimalist :) |
| 17:44.02 | |Jelly| | Again, that's not mine. |
| 17:44.20 | |Jelly| | My UI uses over 100MiB regularly and that doesn't bother me at all -- I don't consider myself a minimalist. |
| 17:44.21 | Shirik | and now I must go pick up someone at the aeropuerto |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik|AFK | crap |
| 17:45.12 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:46.40 | blq | hiho |
| 17:46.49 | |Jelly| | hai |
| 17:46.59 | blq | is there an "function index" like @php.net for lua anywhere? |
| 17:47.30 | Cide- | no, not really |
| 17:47.44 | blq | damn.. |
| 17:47.46 | Cide- | php has awesome documentation in that sense |
| 17:48.05 | zenzelezz | I'd say good, not great |
| 17:48.26 | zenzelezz | whatever others think, my favorite documentation is MSDN |
| 17:48.28 | Cide | php has 'good' documentation? |
| 17:48.42 | Cide | I have yet to find better documentation myself |
| 17:48.51 | Cide | MSDN is also decent, but finding stuff there takes forever |
| 17:48.51 | Kaydeethree | wha... a lot of the msdn's outright lies when it comes to the winapi |
| 17:48.57 | zenzelezz | matter of opinion, I don't care if you disagree :) |
| 17:49.00 | blq | I'm searchin since about 40 minutes for a function that helps me cutting one string into two ... :/ |
| 17:49.08 | Cide | string.split? string.sub? |
| 17:49.18 | Cide | string.split is wow-specific, FYI |
| 17:50.02 | blq | hm.. and there is no page that describes the useage of this command right? |
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| 17:51.11 | Cide | sure there is |
| 17:51.13 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 17:52.25 | blq | looks like I'm spoiled by the php documentation :P |
| 17:52.34 | Shirik|AFK | Cide: I love MSDN |
| 17:52.43 | Shirik|AFK | But Visual Studio helps ... a lot |
| 17:52.48 | Shirik|AFK | it does the searching for me, essentially |
| 17:52.51 | zenzelezz | <Cide> MSDN is also decent, but finding stuff there takes forever <-- that I agree |
| 17:52.51 | |Jelly| | Shirik: AFK means something, doesn't it? :P |
| 17:52.52 | Industrial | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 17:52.53 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: ya, but you also love PHP *as a language*, so your opinion is void ;) |
| 17:52.58 | Industrial | blq: ^ |
| 17:53.08 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 17:53.24 | Shirik|AFK | I was actually referring to the C Win32 APIs |
| 17:53.32 | Industrial | blq: why yes its total global name space fits on one index page |
| 17:53.33 | Shirik|AFK | for PHP I've never used MSDN |
| 17:53.41 | Shirik|AFK | In fact I didn't even know they had PHP documentation, I've always used php.net |
| 17:53.44 | Industrial | blq: cant say that about php =D |
| 17:54.04 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: MSDN doesn't have PHP documentation :P |
| 17:54.12 | Shirik|AFK | ok... then I'm completely confused |
| 17:54.14 | Shirik|AFK | and going back to shower |
| 17:54.15 | Cide | I think zenzelezz was just talking about MSDN in general |
| 17:54.19 | Cide | in terms of documentation |
| 17:54.30 | Shirik|AFK | then where did the comment about PHP come in >< |
| 17:54.49 | Kaydeethree | scroll up to 13:46 |
| 17:55.17 | Shirik|AFK | I think Kaydeethree needs to sync his clock better |
| 17:55.23 | Industrial | time? irc? |
| 17:55.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:55.30 | blq | Industrial: thx |
| 17:55.30 | |Jelly| | [12:47]<blq>is there an "function index" like @php.net for lua anywhere? |
| 17:55.34 | Industrial | blq: np |
| 17:55.36 | Shirik|AFK | no |
| 17:55.38 | Shirik|AFK | I mean this comment |
| 17:55.44 | Shirik|AFK | 14(1311:5211:5414) 14(11+158Cide14) Shirik|AFK: ya, but you also love PHP *as a language*, so your opinion is void ;) |
| 17:55.52 | Industrial | blq: i also advise to read pil - its best proctises |
| 17:55.57 | Industrial | practises* |
| 17:56.12 | Shirik|AFK | practices* |
| 17:56.19 | Industrial | adfasdf |
| 17:56.25 | Shirik|AFK | =P |
| 17:56.27 | Cide | it's* |
| 17:56.30 | Shirik|AFK | yeah that too |
| 17:56.34 | Shirik|AFK | but I didn't want to be a jerk |
| 17:56.39 | Cide | I just wanted to pour salt in the wounds |
| 17:56.42 | Shirik|AFK | hehe |
| 17:56.52 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: I was simply saying that loving PHP makes you an idiot (just kidding, of course, but still :P) |
| 17:57.01 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 17:57.14 | blq | Industrial: I'm - but reading it completely doesn't make that mutch sense I wouldn't be able to remember only 50% of it |
| 17:57.30 | haste | read and do, read and do |
| 17:57.50 | blq | Industrial: I try to look at it if I need a function or if I'm not sure with some syntax |
| 17:59.10 | Industrial | haste: wax on wax off |
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| 18:00.46 | Industrial | blq: its more fun to start out with your own code and bump into things as you go, then to follow a book 1:1, imho. |
| 18:01.57 | blq | Industrial: that's what I'm doing if I understand you correctly |
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| 18:22.53 | Shirik | Industrial: Not only is it more fun, it's better |
| 18:23.02 | Shirik | because it teaches you how to find the solution to problems you encounter |
| 18:23.07 | Shirik | which is inevitable |
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| 18:35.38 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 18:35.55 | Shirik | I'm reading the Visual Studio forums, there's a thread in there which had a lot of attention |
| 18:36.08 | Shirik | regarding .IMG vs .ISO ... and the general solution is just rename the file from .IMG to .ISO |
| 18:36.11 | Shirik | so someone asks... |
| 18:36.19 | Shirik | "How do I rename the extension" |
| 18:36.34 | Shirik | I wanted to slap him.... people like him do not belong in the dev community -_- |
| 18:38.32 | Kaydeethree | "huh? I can write in basic. that means I'm as smart as the rest of you" |
| 18:38.54 | Shirik | -_- |
| 18:39.27 | Shirik | admittedly BASIC's what got me into programming |
| 18:40.26 | Kaydeethree | me too, tbqh.. ti89-basic |
| 18:41.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn |
| 18:41.36 | sag_ich_nicht | you there? |
| 18:41.47 | Cairenn | I am |
| 18:41.59 | foxlit | wtf, ti89-basic? |
| 18:42.13 | Kaydeethree | graphing calculator |
| 18:42.16 | foxlit | I know |
| 18:42.24 | foxlit | It can do symbolic math, though |
| 18:42.31 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 18:42.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn care to hop over to #cosmostesters and help that poor sap? i have kara D: |
| 18:42.37 | foxlit | Which means you're technically not supposed to use it until past high school |
| 18:43.12 | Kaydeethree | my math teachers in HS didn't know that... >.>; |
| 18:43.33 | foxlit | wru, competence? |
| 18:44.53 | Kaydeethree | not that they cared, though. I tended to take tests without a calculator at all |
| 18:45.21 | foxlit | My TI-Basic trigonometry program was the pinnacle of madness |
| 18:46.48 | foxlit | It basically took a generic description of a triangle and solved it, noting ambiguity and providing both cases |
| 18:47.19 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 18:47.24 | Cide | I need that |
| 18:47.53 | foxlit | It's mad, though |
| 18:48.04 | foxlit | (but short) |
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| 18:50.48 | foxlit | http://crystal.digifort.com/TRIX.8xp |
| 18:51.22 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 18:54.09 | Cairenn | hey JoshBorke |
| 18:54.20 | nevcairiel | hello josh |
| 18:54.44 | nevcairiel | did you see the newest stub? we really made it small now :P |
| 18:54.56 | JoshBorke | yea, i just checked it out nev |
| 18:55.10 | JoshBorke | i'm concerned about IterateLibraries though because it doesn't return minors, though i guess that doesn't matter |
| 18:55.24 | JoshBorke | so nvm |
| 18:55.36 | JoshBorke | and does it really need LibStub("ShootMeNow")? |
| 18:58.55 | JoshBorke | i'd say teh readability of LibStub has gone down though |
| 18:59.25 | nevcairiel | it has |
| 18:59.34 | nevcairiel | maybe we can improve on that now that its small anyway |
| 18:59.55 | JoshBorke | it's mostly the shortcuts that were taken |
| 19:00.07 | JoshBorke | switching to asserts and shortcut evaluation |
| 19:02.39 | JoshBorke | ckknight: you here? |
| 19:02.49 | ckknight | I have never left you, child |
| 19:03.04 | JoshBorke | i'm curious about IterateLibraries and how you plan to use it |
| 19:03.24 | ckknight | it's useful in multiple ways |
| 19:03.37 | ckknight | one is to have an actual list of libraries, for diagnoses |
| 19:04.08 | ckknight | one is so that I can have a proper way to do passive library callbacks (as opposed to active ones, which require an event lib or event handling on a per-lib basis) |
| 19:04.18 | nevcairiel | its a 1 line function, really doesnt hurt to have now |
| 19:04.52 | blq | [20:39:19] <Shirik> admittedly BASIC's what got me into programming |
| 19:04.55 | blq | same here |
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| 19:05.04 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: sure, i'm just curious about it is all, as you said, it's a 1 line function that doesn't hurt to have |
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| 19:05.22 | JoshBorke | ckknight: i don't understand the passive library callback, what does that mean and how is it used? |
| 19:05.39 | ckknight | it's for lazy library usage |
| 19:05.52 | ckknight | i.e. if you don't _need_ a library, but have more features by it being there |
| 19:06.11 | ckknight | e.g. event lib that supports bucket events but requires a timer lib for it to work |
| 19:06.22 | JoshBorke | so instead of GetLibrayr("Blah", true) you would iterate over the libraries looking for sometihnG? |
| 19:06.56 | ckknight | well, if you do the former, then you require a manual registration of what libraries one is looking for, which I'm trying to avoid |
| 19:06.56 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: wtf? you made it less readable :-P |
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| 19:07.08 | ckknight | this is more for an intermediary framework rather than individual libraries |
| 19:07.10 | nevcairiel | what? |
| 19:07.12 | JoshBorke | so the developers won't know what library they are looking for? |
| 19:07.22 | nevcairiel | that long error line was just annoying me |
| 19:07.27 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: you made a super long line :-P |
| 19:07.36 | nevcairiel | i removed one super long line |
| 19:07.37 | nevcairiel | oO |
| 19:07.38 | JoshBorke | oh wait, you removed it |
| 19:07.42 | JoshBorke | i had the revisions backwards, nvm |
| 19:07.43 | JoshBorke | gj :-) |
| 19:07.45 | nevcairiel | hehe |
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| 19:08.29 | JoshBorke | hm, would it make more sense to change NewLibrary to check if the registering one is newer? ie |
| 19:08.49 | JoshBorke | no, it'd be harder to set up the if statement, nvm |
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| 19:09.44 | JoshBorke | if not self.minors[major] or self.minors[major] <= minor then self.minors[major], ... return blah end |
| 19:10.18 | ckknight | nah, seeing as it'd need to enclose two statements, it'd expand to 4 lines |
| 19:11.04 | JoshBorke | what 2 statements? |
| 19:11.04 | ckknight | self.minors[major], self.libs[major] = minor, self.libs[major] or {} and the next one |
| 19:11.28 | JoshBorke | yea but it wouldn't have the first if statement jumbled all into one line |
| 19:11.49 | JoshBorke | just a small readability thing, no big deal really |
| 19:11.55 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 19:12.07 | JoshBorke | *shrug* indeed |
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| 19:24.42 | blq | [19:49:02] <+Cide> string.split? string.sub? |
| 19:24.42 | blq | [19:49:11] <+Cide> string.split is wow-specific, FYI |
| 19:25.06 | blq | is it possible that "String.split" isn't explained at pil? |
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| 19:25.19 | blq | I found string.sub several times |
| 19:25.39 | JoshBorke | if string.split is wow specific then it won't be in PiL |
| 19:26.23 | blq | oh - sry |
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| 19:28.49 | blq | I think the hardest thing @lua is to find the information you need |
| 19:31.45 | Kaydeethree | for general lua syntax, there's pil and #lua. for wow-specific stuff, there's the wiki |
| 19:34.04 | blq | hm. okay but where do I find that stuff at the wow wiki I can just find a section for the wow-api and a section for the widget-api |
| 19:35.22 | JoshBorke | stupid LibStub being written to run inside wow :-/ |
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| 20:08.56 | Kyahx | blq: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions -- basic lua functions, including the wow-specific ones |
| 20:09.21 | Saint-N | http://consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/comcast_ban.html?imw=Y |
| 20:10.13 | Saint-N | blq: thats because wikis suck crap |
| 20:10.32 | Saint-N | thats my biggest complaint about them is they're great for getting info if you know what you're looking for inthe first palce |
| 20:10.45 | Saint-N | but as a general reference they're atrocious and a waste of time |
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| 20:12.37 | Kyahx | Its all dependet on who runs the wiki -- and how well layed out the "contents" pages are |
| 20:13.00 | Saint-N | true enough |
| 20:14.01 | Saint-N | but lets say the dictionary wasnt in alphabetical order and you had no idea what the word you wanted was, only a general idea of the context it's gonna be used in. and the dictionary was broken into noun verb adverb adjective. that wouldnt help you all that much would it ;P |
| 20:14.23 | Saint-N | more so than if you didnt have it |
| 20:14.45 | Saint-N | but if english isnt your native language and you didnt speak it, it would be almost completely useless |
| 20:15.15 | Kyahx | well that's the glory of the internet and google now isn't it :P |
| 20:15.18 | Saint-N | not to mention the whole layer of it where you can click and click and click and end up further away from where you were with noclear idea how to return to it |
| 20:15.34 | Kyahx | you can find things by only knowing the context in which they are used, hehe |
| 20:16.14 | Saint-N | as opposed to the old way where you went to a page and it had it all broken down in one nice happy html page with maybe a few subpages for extended use |
| 20:16.26 | Saint-N | and the back button took you back whence you came and it was easy to find ;P |
| 20:16.33 | Saint-N | needless to say i despise wikis |
| 20:16.40 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:16.56 | Kyahx | I've never had a problem finding what I need *shrug* |
| 20:17.07 | Saint-N | they're fine for single page info and generalization but as a "book" type thing they're horrible |
| 20:17.09 | Kyahx | so im inclined to say it sounds like a personal problem to me :P |
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| 20:19.46 | Cidan | uh |
| 20:19.51 | Cidan | a wiki isn't... even structured like a book |
| 20:19.59 | Cidan | nor is it... meant to be? |
| 20:21.02 | Cidan | mm |
| 20:21.07 | Cidan | reinstalling Neverwinter Nights |
| 20:21.55 | Kyahx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76ZIGQgBWg -- o.O |
| 20:22.35 | Industrial | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/105.html |
| 20:22.36 | Industrial | ROFL |
| 20:26.06 | Guillotine | rofl. <3 DLC |
| 20:26.16 | Cidan | lol |
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| 20:29.35 | Industrial | what does everyone use for unitframes excluding ag_Unitframes, pitbull, perl classic and x-perl? |
| 20:29.45 | Industrial | there used to be like 30 unitframe mods\ |
| 20:29.48 | Industrial | now theres <10 ? |
| 20:30.18 | Cide | there's like 500 |
| 20:30.31 | Industrial | cant find any on wowi |
| 20:30.35 | Cide | what you're asking is "what are the popular unitframes?" |
| 20:30.51 | Industrial | nah, i want to try them all |
| 20:30.58 | Industrial | or at least pass them in my review :P |
| 20:31.19 | Industrial | I see 12 on wowi |
| 20:31.44 | Industrial | but zmobdb and reappaaringunitframes arent really unitframes right? |
| 20:33.57 | Industrial | curse seems to be riddled with falsely tagged data (yay tags, not) so i cant say for sure there |
| 20:34.00 | Cidan | hmm |
| 20:34.10 | Cidan | if I had to pick a unit frame to use (I don't use them) |
| 20:34.13 | Cidan | I'd pick... |
| 20:34.27 | Cidan | Nurfed |
| 20:34.30 | Cidan | I think. |
| 20:34.30 | Industrial | you use blizzard's? me too, but I put them under the player model. |
| 20:34.40 | Cidan | no, I just disable them and use RDX |
| 20:35.08 | Cidan | except for targeting, anyways |
| 20:36.14 | Cidan | I like Nurfed because you can make the unit frames look like whatever you want |
| 20:36.28 | Cidan | it has a very nicely built in-game editor |
| 20:36.42 | Cidan | you can place, move, size, shape the unitframes |
| 20:37.27 | Industrial | honestly ive never tried that because i avoid "UI"'s |
| 20:37.41 | Cidan | well, you can just use the unitframes |
| 20:37.51 | Cidan | You don't have to install every aspect |
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| 20:38.40 | Industrial | yeah im going to look into it now |
| 20:39.00 | Cidan | Aye, I stopped using it only because I started work on RDX.Cid at the time |
| 20:39.28 | Cidan | and I'd much rather just have a single nice RDX window |
| 20:44.45 | Industrial | so Cide, I have no idea what people are using |
| 20:46.30 | Cide | I don't either |
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| 21:03.28 | snegoviK | heya all |
| 21:04.17 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 21:06.41 | bleeter | 'lo |
| 21:06.45 | JoshBorke | hi |
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| 21:27.31 | Corrodias | ah, weather. it's like the gods incarnate. |
| 21:29.11 | Rallion | been lots of fun weather all over lately |
| 21:29.26 | Chaotic_D | oh... you mean real weather. not WoW weather. |
| 21:32.55 | Chaotic_D | hey, you guys are industrious. anyone know how I could find someone within a specific area of the country who would be willing to receive packages in the mail and store them for a year until I come pick them up, who would do it for small change rather than professional services which cost like $50 a month? I have no idea where to look. |
| 21:34.38 | Chaotic_D | it's because I live in Canada, and many large and small businesses will not ship to Canada. (like eBay. and when you're bidding on a rare item, you don't have the option to just find another auction listing. I've missed out on rare stuff for really good prices because of that.) |
| 21:35.26 | Saint-N | you could try mailboxes etc |
| 21:35.38 | Saint-N | if you were in vancouver i could give you an exact place ;P |
| 21:35.52 | Chaotic_D | eh... the professional services are usually pretty expensive. |
| 21:36.15 | Saint-N | it's nottoo bad specially if you mention that its mainly for ebay |
| 21:36.26 | Chaotic_D | and also PO Boxes are often not accepted as shipping addresses for buying things, especially from larger businesses. |
| 21:36.27 | Saint-N | chances are for a nomial fee they can receive and ship it to you |
| 21:37.07 | Chaotic_D | well, I want it within driving distance so I can pick it up in person once a year and avoid the extra costs. |
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| 21:37.44 | Chaotic_D | also, cross-border is expensive. but you're eligible for duty-free purchases up to a certain amount based on the length of your visit to the country. |
| 21:38.13 | zenzelezz | I must say I enjoy tanking Leo's demon phase as a warrior |
| 21:38.51 | Chaotic_D | I also need to go get a US bank account and credit card, because some stores and eBay sellers don't just want US shipping addresses, they want payment coming from a US account. *rolls eyes* |
| 21:39.05 | Saint-N | go to TD |
| 21:39.25 | Saint-N | td waterhouse has a virtual us bank and you can sign up regardless of where you're from with the right documents |
| 21:39.43 | Saint-N | they cover canada sicne it's a partial technically spinoff of thier .ca banks |
| 21:40.01 | Saint-N | they are two seperate entities but are a bit more lax for .ca customers opening american accounts |
| 21:40.17 | Saint-N | without all the hassle of having an american funds account |
| 21:40.25 | Saint-N | in a .ca bank thus delaying things |
| 21:40.36 | Chaotic_D | well it's not just US currency I need. I need a US bank and credit card that will verify I have a US address. :S |
| 21:40.39 | bleeter | Cairenn: did you see my suggestion from earlier? if so, thoughts? |
| 21:40.53 | Saint-N | heh read before you state ;P |
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| 21:41.06 | Saint-N | i was canadian im now living in the us |
| 21:41.21 | Saint-N | i know all these things cuz my banks WAS TD and i transfered to the us side ;P |
| 21:41.50 | Saint-N | so nyah nyah |
| 21:41.50 | Chaotic_D | huh. I just switched to TD for the free iPod Nano offer. |
| 21:41.51 | Saint-N | heh |
| 21:42.03 | Chaotic_D | nyah nyah? I like Canada. |
| 21:42.06 | Saint-N | theres also a company called iSoldIt |
| 21:42.16 | Saint-N | that deals with ebay stuff |
| 21:42.22 | Saint-N | they might be able to hold for ya |
| 21:42.33 | Saint-N | i do too... i refuse to give up my passport ;P |
| 21:42.47 | Chaotic_D | the shopping sucks, but that's the price you pay for health care and other stuff (all of which is being phased out so that we're more like the USA) |
| 21:42.55 | Saint-N | even had my documents notaried and my mom file the paperwork in vacnouver ;P |
| 21:45.23 | Chaotic_D | my best friend has dual citizenship. |
| 21:45.46 | Chaotic_D | he was asked to give up Canadian citizenship to get a decent position in the Navy. decided not to. :S |
| 21:47.03 | Chaotic_D | meh. mailboxes etc (UPS) won't give me info on pricing. I have to call my local ... one. |
| 21:48.03 | Saint-N | hehe i told the ins person that while i may be filing for citizen because i married an american, in my heart im canadian and i refuse to part with the only thing i have left of my country |
| 21:48.14 | Saint-N | she was from jamacia and just laughed and said "ok" |
| 21:48.27 | Chaotic_D | still... I bet it's expensive. I looked up one at another place and it was not affordable for what I was saving. |
| 21:48.33 | Saint-N | its not really that bad |
| 21:48.44 | Saint-N | if you remove the currency thing, its more or less like living in vancouver |
| 21:48.53 | Saint-N | around the same for foods drinks alcohol smokes etc |
| 21:49.06 | Saint-N | the only thing thats more expensive here than vancouver is rent |
| 21:49.16 | Saint-N | but im in nyc so it's expected ;P |
| 21:49.36 | Chaotic_D | I'm in Ontario, right above you. |
| 21:49.50 | Chaotic_D | That's right. We look down on you, New York! |
| 21:50.19 | Cairenn | Chaotic_D: you're in Ontario? |
| 21:50.49 | Chaotic_D | Ja. I told you a few days ago "what are you doing in my city?" |
| 21:50.55 | bleeter | 07:40 < bleeter> Cairenn: did you see my suggestion from earlier? if so, thoughts? |
| 21:51.04 | Cairenn | nope, was having a nap |
| 21:51.12 | Cairenn | Chaotic_D: I don't recall |
| 21:51.22 | Chaotic_D | when you mentioned someone had a cat available in your city. |
| 21:51.39 | bleeter | ah, you prolly need the 'nicksaid' plugin, for starters... so you can go back in your scrollback to where you got pinged.... just a moment |
| 21:51.49 | Chaotic_D | you didn't mention it to me. you were talking to someone else. |
| 21:51.56 | Cairenn | I can |
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| 21:52.29 | clad|away | Chaotic_D: Ontario is dead to me. |
| 21:52.31 | bleeter | Cairenn: (1) nicksaid plugin is in http://downloads.guifications.org/plugins//Plugin%20Pack/purple-plugin_pack-2.1.1.zip |
| 21:52.39 | Chaotic_D | hahahah. what? :D |
| 21:52.44 | Saint-N | chaoticc: there's almost more people in newyork than all eastern canada ;P |
| 21:53.01 | Saint-N | unfortunately i see more than my share of them and i hate them all |
| 21:53.01 | Chaotic_D | Yeah. US is full of people. Canada... not so much. |
| 21:53.12 | bleeter | Cairenn: (2) I had a thought last night, it'd be nice if us mod developers would get an email when a new PTR build is up. Wondering if it might be possible for WoWI to consider implementing such a list? |
| 21:53.14 | Saint-N | cept cairenns hubby |
| 21:53.18 | Saint-N | and my wife |
| 21:53.26 | clad|away | Chaotic_D: I live in Upstate New York.. and Ottawa > Ontario |
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| 21:53.32 | Chaotic_D | but I wouldn't want to be crammed all together like that. I already hate where Ottawa is going. it's turning into Toronto. I was in Toronto for almost a year. |
| 21:53.51 | Saint-N | upstate new york pfft |
| 21:53.53 | bleeter | clad|away: must be an awfully long ... oh, nm ;) |
| 21:53.55 | Rallion | upstate ftw! |
| 21:54.00 | clad|away | Rallion: woot woot |
| 21:54.04 | Cairenn | Chaotic_D: so, wait, what - you're in Ottawa? |
| 21:54.08 | Chaotic_D | is "upstate" like "northern"? |
| 21:54.15 | Chaotic_D | Yes. |
| 21:54.17 | clad|away | Chaotic_D: yes.. |
| 21:54.21 | Chaotic_D | look at my IP. |
| 21:54.26 | Cairenn | bleeter: interesting idea |
| 21:54.27 | Saint-N | yeah upstate refers to everything that isnt nyc proper and long island ;P |
| 21:54.37 | clad|away | anythign north of orange country, to be specific :P |
| 21:54.48 | Saint-N | if its past the bronx its upstate ;P |
| 21:55.16 | Chaotic_D | Northern New York is green. and there's all those mountains in the middle. like Vermont. My best friend lived in Vermont so I visited a lot. |
| 21:55.17 | bleeter | Cairenn: at the moment, I'm firing up the PTR client every day, or couple of times a day, just to see if there's a new update. Given the bugs I'm experiencing, it's a little painful ;) |
| 21:55.32 | Kaydeethree | oh boo... spellstealing avenging wrath gets me forbearance too |
| 21:55.38 | Saint-N | i actually like park chester and west chester |
| 21:56.03 | Saint-N | those arent mountains chaotic ;P |
| 21:56.06 | Saint-N | those are foothills |
| 21:56.43 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 21:57.04 | Saint-N | in relative comparssion we're about as big as deadwind pass ;P |
| 21:57.20 | Chaotic_D | need cheaper flightpaths in real life. ;) |
| 21:57.26 | Saint-N | heh yeah |
| 21:57.42 | Saint-N | occasionally you can get awesome rates |
| 21:57.51 | Saint-N | the best rates are cathay pacific |
| 21:58.07 | Saint-N | its' like 325 one way from nyc to vancouver because thier fly to asia |
| 21:58.12 | Saint-N | and have to stop there anyways |
| 21:58.27 | Saint-N | and you get leg room and a real meal and dtv |
| 21:58.34 | Saint-N | for your 6ish hour flight |
| 21:58.48 | Chaotic_D | nice. |
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| 21:59.23 | Chaotic_D | Ottawa is in the middle of nowhere. you can't travel anywhere without going to a different Canadian city that's large, like Toronto or Montreal. :S it costs half the trip to go there. |
| 21:59.27 | Saint-N | whats awesome is the 189 round trip from calgary to vegas ;P |
| 21:59.39 | Saint-N | hehe yeah |
| 21:59.49 | Chaotic_D | I'm so cheap, I get my mom to drive me across the border and pick up a bus in some upstate NY city. |
| 21:59.56 | Saint-N | have a friend who lives there and we used to joke about the 289 flights from ottawa to TO |
| 22:00.15 | clad|away | lol flying out of Syracuse isn't much cheaper.. i shoudl know. |
| 22:00.20 | Saint-N | heh |
| 22:00.49 | Chaotic_D | :S ah well. I've only flown like... once in my adult life. and once as a baby. |
| 22:00.50 | Saint-N | nyc vancouver calgary lax and vegas are some the the cheapest flight paths youll find |
| 22:01.16 | Saint-N | i mountain jumped from calgary to vancouver took 1 hour fly time and cost my 69bucks on westjet |
| 22:01.21 | Rallion | Same here...flew to Chicago as a baby and Orlando as a near-adult |
| 22:01.34 | Chaotic_D | I can't wait until I get my driver's licence upgraded this spring and I won't have to take the bus anymore to Transformers conventions. |
| 22:02.11 | Saint-N | and i thought clad was a nerd for making a speach program on a roadtrip |
| 22:02.17 | Saint-N | speech |
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| 22:02.39 | Saint-N | it doesnt change my opinion, he's just not that nerdy by comparission now |
| 22:02.44 | Cidan | That right there, is quote of the day. |
| 22:02.45 | Cidan | [18:01] <Chaotic_D> I can't wait until I get my driver's licence upgraded this spring and I won't have to take the bus anymore to Transformers conventions. |
| 22:02.54 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 22:02.59 | Saint-N | go put it on the wiki |
| 22:03.01 | clad|away | Saint-N: aaw I lost nerdyness points? |
| 22:03.03 | Chaotic_D | -_-; |
| 22:03.12 | Saint-N | clad|away: nope you just got surpassed ;P |
| 22:03.19 | Chaotic_D | surpassed?? |
| 22:03.24 | Saint-N | dude |
| 22:03.30 | Chaotic_D | coding takes more brainpower than collecting. |
| 22:03.34 | Saint-N | you take a BUS to TRANSFORMER CONVENTIONS |
| 22:03.45 | Rallion | but nothing takes more nerdpower than conventions. |
| 22:03.53 | bleeter | wb Cairenn |
| 22:03.53 | clad|away | http://bash.org/?799244 |
| 22:03.56 | clad|away | ;-) |
| 22:03.58 | Rallion | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 22:04.00 | Cairenn | danke |
| 22:04.12 | bleeter | clad|away: pending moderation :P |
| 22:04.15 | Saint-N | Quote #799244 is pending moderation. |
| 22:04.17 | Kaydeethree | "Quote #799244 is pending moderation." |
| 22:04.19 | Chaotic_D | I have like... hundreds of Transformers. |
| 22:04.26 | Saint-N | what about gobots? |
| 22:04.29 | bleeter | clad|away: just in case you missed it... |
| 22:04.33 | Saint-N | oh man |
| 22:04.37 | bleeter | clad|away: ... that post is pending moderation |
| 22:04.38 | Saint-N | i just had the funniest vision |
| 22:04.41 | clad|away | bleeter: I know.. i just submitted the quote |
| 22:04.49 | clad|away | just making sure people know I submitted it :P |
| 22:04.49 | Chaotic_D | eh... only some left over from childhood. I liked them just as much but I don't collect them. |
| 22:04.52 | Saint-N | for anyone thats seen robot chicken will nknow exactly when i mean when i say gobots |
| 22:05.06 | Saint-N | exactly what i mean |
| 22:05.08 | Rallion | GOBOTS! |
| 22:05.15 | Shirik|AFK | clad|away: What quote did I miss >< |
| 22:05.17 | Saint-N | Coptor |
| 22:05.19 | Saint-N | heh |
| 22:05.24 | Chaotic_D | also, Tonka Gobots, Playschool Gobots, or G2 Gobots? or the figure NAMED Gobots? |
| 22:05.37 | clad|away | Shirik: <Chaotic_D> I can't wait until I get my driver's licence upgraded this spring and I won't have to take the bus anymore to Transformers conventions. |
| 22:05.50 | AnduinLothar | up from what? |
| 22:05.55 | Shirik | wow |
| 22:05.57 | Saint-N | needing mom with him |
| 22:06.05 | AnduinLothar | oh, nm |
| 22:06.05 | Saint-N | or a licenced adult |
| 22:06.14 | Chaotic_D | -_-; |
| 22:06.51 | Rallion | I was smart, I just didn't get my license until I was 19! bypassed all that crap. |
| 22:06.59 | Chaotic_D | no point in comparing people. what does it matter if I don't have a driver's license? I never needed one before, and never wanted to drive. |
| 22:07.03 | Saint-N | and in ontario thts just in time to drink! |
| 22:07.18 | Cairenn | Rallion: doesn't work that way here |
| 22:07.35 | Saint-N | guarenteed learneds for at least 6 months |
| 22:07.39 | Saint-N | err learners |
| 22:07.39 | Cairenn | doesn't matter how old you are, you have to go through the graduated licensing program now |
| 22:08.19 | Chaotic_D | I think adults get some advantage over the teens. I forget what though. |
| 22:08.26 | Cairenn | they don't |
| 22:08.40 | Saint-N | they get insurance brekas depnding on age and sex |
| 22:08.43 | Saint-N | breaks |
| 22:08.46 | Saint-N | but thats about it |
| 22:08.56 | Cairenn | get that too, if you take something like Young Drivers |
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| 22:09.00 | Rallion | oh, yes, I also skipped the crazy insurance rates |
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| 22:09.18 | Saint-N | i miss my 54% discount |
| 22:10.45 | Cidan | ah |
| 22:10.58 | Cidan | older drivers in this state just need to show up, take the test, and you're done |
| 22:11.08 | Cidan | you can get your licence in one day |
| 22:11.52 | Cidan | license, even. |
| 22:11.53 | Rallion | yup |
| 22:11.55 | bleeter | if you look at accident rates, I suspect younger drivers have far more than older ones |
| 22:12.04 | bleeter | certainly do here, it's something like 4 or 5 times more |
| 22:12.12 | Cidan | until you hit 70 or so |
| 22:12.26 | Cidan | then your car just seems to "home" onto farmers markets and the likes |
| 22:12.27 | Chaotic_D | man, that's crazy. I'm an adult and I don't know how to drive just after one day. |
| 22:12.33 | Cidan | and your left blinker is always on for some reason. |
| 22:12.40 | Chaotic_D | do they take a road test, or just a written one? |
| 22:12.47 | Cidan | both, here. |
| 22:12.50 | clad|away | So.. do I buy this: http://g-drive.com/Products/G-DRIVE.cfm |
| 22:12.58 | bleeter | Chaotic_D: aye, but you've probably had more experience as a passenger in a car, and are subconciously far more aware of road rules, etc. |
| 22:13.28 | clad|away | or this http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=219&language=en |
| 22:13.50 | Cidan | well, two questions |
| 22:13.55 | Cidan | Does it HAVE to be external? |
| 22:13.59 | clad|away | yes |
| 22:14.01 | clad|away | its for a laptop |
| 22:14.14 | Cidan | second, will you be using it on multiple computers? |
| 22:14.29 | clad|away | no, it will most likely be external storage for my laptop, kept in my dorm room |
| 22:14.41 | Cidan | then I'd go for the firewire, faster |
| 22:14.49 | Cidan | and you can daisy chain them nicely |
| 22:14.54 | clad|away | well there are a lot more advantages to the g-drive |
| 22:14.57 | clad|away | 2 year factory warranty |
| 22:15.08 | clad|away | no fans, it uses a hawt heatsink |
| 22:15.09 | Cidan | TBH |
| 22:15.29 | Cidan | I'd find an external enclosure without a drive |
| 22:15.34 | Cidan | that supports firewire |
| 22:15.40 | Cidan | then just buy the drive your self |
| 22:16.23 | Cidan | but that may or may not work depending on your needs |
| 22:16.25 | clad|away | hrm |
| 22:16.33 | clad|away | its interesting |
| 22:16.48 | clad|away | finding one with firewire is tough :P |
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| 22:17.12 | Cidan | http://www.directron.com/firewireenclos.html |
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| 22:17.57 | Chaotic_D | heh. I'm so bad at driving. I forget to look, even though I always look when I bike. |
| 22:18.21 | Cidan | eh, you get used to it |
| 22:18.29 | Cidan | and don't get mad when you get tickets for stupid mistakes, you learn. |
| 22:18.38 | Cidan | ie: turn on "no turn on red" sign |
| 22:19.10 | clad|away | Cidan: Hrm.. i kinda want an external raid array :P |
| 22:19.31 | AnduinLothar | Anyone that speaks french here wanna try and localize DamageMeters? |
| 22:19.48 | Cairenn | hey clad|away, sioraiocht - if I come down next weekend, think I could get crash space somewhere instead of having to get a hotel room for the night? |
| 22:20.10 | clad|away | Cairenn: of course |
| 22:20.13 | Cidan | hmm |
| 22:20.13 | clad|away | Cairenn: whatcha coming down for? |
| 22:20.18 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:20.20 | clad|away | Cidan: looking at http://www.directron.com/etcsdu2fbk.html now. |
| 22:20.24 | clad|away | Cairenn: lol =) |
| 22:20.25 | clad|away | k/k |
| 22:20.25 | clad|away | j/k |
| 22:20.28 | clad|away | I forgot I said anythign to you :P |
| 22:20.32 | Cairenn | oh, I don't know, your party maybe? |
| 22:20.35 | clad|away | lol |
| 22:20.37 | clad|away | <3 |
| 22:20.43 | clad|away | Actually, might want to give Larry a call |
| 22:20.48 | Cidan | JBOD mode though |
| 22:20.49 | Cairenn | I don't know for sure yet if I can, but |
| 22:20.52 | clad|away | Larry, Chris and Danielle are all possibly coming down |
| 22:21.02 | Cairenn | yeah, was gonna ask if he/they might be going too |
| 22:22.12 | Cidan | a real external, real raid system would likely be SCSI |
| 22:22.19 | clad|away | I just need mirroring |
| 22:22.20 | clad|away | okay |
| 22:22.24 | clad|away | gotta run to dinner, bbiab |
| 22:22.31 | Cidan | All of these are raid 0 or JBOD |
| 22:22.36 | Rallion | I think I'm getting close to the end of Bioshock |
| 22:22.36 | nevcairiel | there are some external raid system for SATA |
| 22:22.41 | nevcairiel | but pretty pricey |
| 22:22.47 | Cidan | that are RAID1? |
| 22:23.03 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:23.13 | nevcairiel | lemme see if i can find one |
| 22:23.57 | Cidan | http://www.meritline.com/ams-venus-ds3r-3-5-firewire-enclosure.html |
| 22:23.59 | Cidan | got one |
| 22:24.44 | Cidan | IDE, damn, hmm |
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| 22:30.45 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 22:30.51 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 22:31.22 | Polarina | How do I upload another ZIP file for my addon without replacing the old one? I want both the old and new versions be available for download. |
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| 22:32.08 | snegoviK | this is so funny :) |
| 22:32.21 | snegoviK | best util to find out your ip |
| 22:32.24 | snegoviK | nsfw |
| 22:32.24 | snegoviK | http://www.moanmyip.com/ |
| 22:32.26 | snegoviK | :))))) |
| 22:32.29 | snegoviK | guess what it does |
| 22:32.51 | Polarina | sbegiviK: www.myip.is www.myip.dk |
| 22:33.01 | Cairenn | Polarina: upload it as a plug-in to the original file |
| 22:33.15 | Polarina | Cairenn: How do I do that? |
| 22:33.16 | Cairenn | Polarina: go to your original upload, find the "upload plugin" button and use it |
| 22:33.37 | Polarina | I can't find that button. |
| 22:33.40 | snegoviK | Polarina: moanmyip man |
| 22:33.45 | snegoviK | its the bestest |
| 22:34.01 | snegoviK | turn your volume up ^^ |
| 22:34.15 | Cairenn | snegoviK: I think people got the idea .... |
| 22:34.30 | Polarina | Cairenn: I can't find that button.. |
| 22:34.36 | Cairenn | Polarina: under the big download button on the right |
| 22:35.06 | Polarina | Cairenn: It just says "How to install" and "Add to favourites." |
| 22:35.12 | Cairenn | below that |
| 22:35.26 | Polarina | Cairenn: A screenshot of my addon. |
| 22:35.33 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:35.46 | Cairenn | what's your mod? |
| 22:35.57 | Polarina | Cairenn: Valuation. |
| 22:36.25 | Cairenn | ah, you turned off the option to allow them, that's why |
| 22:36.44 | Polarina | But I don't want others to upload there. Only me. |
| 22:36.57 | Cairenn | not likely anyone else will |
| 22:37.04 | Polarina | Why? |
| 22:37.07 | snegoviK | its different |
| 22:37.14 | Cairenn | but you have 2 options - you can either turn it on, or you can upload it as a new file |
| 22:37.15 | snegoviK | uploading patches / uploading file |
| 22:37.32 | Cairenn | your choice |
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| 22:37.38 | Polarina | Cairenn: If anyone does, can I delete their uploaded files of anyone uploads with that button? |
| 22:37.47 | Cairenn | yes |
| 22:37.56 | Polarina | Cairenn: Ok, thanks. |
| 22:38.05 | Cairenn | and if not, you can ask us to delete it for you |
| 22:38.11 | snegoviK | files.wowace.com , this is reserved for Ace developers, right? |
| 22:38.31 | Cairenn | I've updated the file for you already, you should be able to see it now if you just hit refresh on your screen |
| 22:38.47 | Polarina | Cairenn: Thanks. |
| 22:39.11 | Polarina | I press Upload Addon? |
| 22:39.15 | Polarina | Or Patch? |
| 22:39.18 | Cairenn | addon |
| 22:39.31 | Polarina | What's the difference? |
| 22:39.33 | Cairenn | it isn't a patch to the main file, it's an alternate |
| 22:39.45 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 22:39.47 | Cairenn | doesn't really matter though, in this case, use whichever you want |
| 22:40.14 | Cairenn | "patch" in general is used when an author has abandoned a mod and someone else is uploading patches to it so that it'll still function |
| 22:40.21 | Polarina | Cairenn: Will it appear under "Latest Version"? |
| 22:41.17 | Cairenn | no, it'll show up like the addons to fubar here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4571 (example) |
| 22:41.59 | Polarina | Cairenn: Oh... |
| 22:42.21 | Cairenn | but on it's own page, it'll show which file is the most current |
| 22:42.27 | Polarina | It has Archived List (Old Version), How did that appear? |
| 22:43.16 | Cairenn | because of having to update it to allow plugins |
| 22:43.34 | Polarina | Cairenn: I don't understand... |
| 22:43.47 | snegoviK | archive appears when you replace your addon files |
| 22:43.59 | snegoviK | you can manage it and delete files from there if you want |
| 22:44.10 | Polarina | sbegoviK: Thanks, that answers everything. |
| 22:44.11 | snegoviK | just play around with the control panel its all very well done |
| 22:44.49 | Polarina | But in that example Cairenn provided there's a button "Bug Reports" below that big Download button. |
| 22:45.04 | Cairenn | because the author has enabled their portal |
| 22:45.24 | snegoviK | i guess that happens when the author uses his portal |
| 22:45.25 | snegoviK | +1 |
| 22:45.33 | Polarina | Cairenn: How do I do that to mine? |
| 22:45.51 | Cairenn | front page, left side menu, enable portal |
| 22:46.18 | Polarina | Not there. |
| 22:46.44 | Cairenn | how long ago did you upload your mod, originally? |
| 22:47.04 | Polarina | Cairenn: Not long ago. An hour? |
| 22:47.13 | snegoviK | go to the main page of wowi. on the left you gona see the menu |
| 22:47.18 | Cairenn | that's why, our author db hasn't refreshed yet |
| 22:47.20 | snegoviK | Enable portal is like 6th |
| 22:47.24 | Polarina | Cairenn: ? |
| 22:47.26 | Cairenn | it'll be there in a bit |
| 22:47.33 | Polarina | Why do I have to wait? |
| 22:47.46 | snegoviK | batch processing in action |
| 22:47.47 | zenzelezz | because running an update all the time would be bad for the server |
| 22:48.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 22:48.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | any signs of 2.2 hitting this tuesday? |
| 22:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it seems likely |
| 22:48.32 | Guillotine | snegoviK: in general, wowace is used for ace addons, but no, it is available for non-ace addons as well |
| 22:48.33 | Polarina | Not likely. |
| 22:49.05 | Polarina | Mr_Rabies2: It will not hit the live servers this week. |
| 22:49.15 | snegoviK | Guillotine: i was just wondering whether it is possible to make my addon available for download using WoWAceUpdater |
| 22:49.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | what makes you think that, Polarina? any signs of a new build on the ptr? |
| 22:49.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't played on the ptr in a while because there's not much there for me |
| 22:50.32 | Polarina | Mr_Rabies2: The PTR is still way too buggy. |
| 22:50.32 | snegoviK | yep no new build |
| 22:50.49 | snegoviK | i recon its gona be out some time soon |
| 22:50.57 | Polarina | Next week. |
| 22:51.05 | snegoviK | i still didnt look at zul'aman or voip |
| 22:51.35 | snegoviK | i love the way alliance spawn point is there tho :)( |
| 22:53.06 | Polarina | Cool. 13 downloads so far. :D |
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| 23:16.04 | k_d|3 | power blinks... </3 |
| 23:16.10 | k_d|3 | I <3 my ups |
| 23:16.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | my ups battery is dying |
| 23:17.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to get a new one |
| 23:17.10 | Corrodias | o |
| 23:17.15 | Corrodias | ignore that "o" |
| 23:17.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i'm gonna get a 700VA one or something |
| 23:17.38 | Corrodias | i'm going to try clearfont again |
| 23:17.46 | Corrodias | let's see if my fubar font mysteriously shrinks |
| 23:17.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | this 500 VA one can't hold my computer online long enough |
| 23:18.15 | Corrodias | i got a ridiculously huge one |
| 23:21.09 | Kaydeethree | meh. mine's online long enough to hit ctrl+alt+backspace, log in on a vterm and quickly power-down the system |
| 23:21.21 | Kaydeethree | if the scripts don't do it for me |
| 23:23.38 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies2: I have 1500, <3 it |
| 23:23.56 | Shirik | Long enough to continue doing whatever I was doing and not be pissed about not having power |
| 23:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | how long does it hold your computer? |
| 23:24.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and is your monitor on the same one? |
| 23:25.46 | sioraiocht | Cairenn: I'm so excited you're coming |
| 23:26.09 | Cairenn | no promises sioraiocht, just looking at whether I can or not |
| 23:26.23 | sioraiocht | :) |
| 23:26.28 | sioraiocht | well, it'd be neat :) |
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| 23:26.44 | Cairenn | I'd like to, but it's 4 days before Lyre starts U and all ... |
| 23:26.50 | sioraiocht | oh wow |
| 23:26.54 | sioraiocht | where is she going? |
| 23:27.05 | Cairenn | and not having my own car |
| 23:27.06 | Cairenn | etc |
| 23:27.22 | Cairenn | just going to one here in town for her BA |
| 23:27.44 | Cairenn | anyway, chat in a bit, speaking of Lyre, I have to go pick her up from work atm |
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| 23:28.49 | Cairenn|afk | figured that if I do make it down though, one or another of you might be able to find bed space for me ;) |
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| 23:31.08 | Corrodias | nope, my fubar font has been altered |
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| 23:55.14 | |Jelly| | Hey Cog! |
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| 23:59.06 | cogwheel | hihi |
| 23:59.24 | |Jelly| | About time. I was starting to think you hated me! :P |
| 23:59.52 | cogwheel | i hate everybody |
