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| 00:07.45 | art3mis | hrm neat |
| 00:08.00 | art3mis | appearantly disney and pixar have dropped bluray and are in full support of hddvd |
| 00:08.09 | art3mis | ahhhh |
| 00:08.15 | art3mis | it's a loupe garou!!! |
| 00:08.22 | art3mis | ruuuuuuuuun! |
| 00:09.13 | Tain | We can't stop here. This is bat country. |
| 00:09.23 | art3mis | noooooooooooo! |
| 00:09.29 | art3mis | *sqeak* |
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| 00:12.38 | Thunder_Child | heh, blu-ray hd-dvd.....doesnt matter, it |
| 00:12.42 | Thunder_Child | s all data to a computer |
| 00:13.07 | Thunder_Child | wow....i love the fact that the ' is right next to the enter key |
| 00:14.10 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
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| 00:17.41 | art3mis | speaking of which |
| 00:17.54 | art3mis | appearantly you can get hdtv free if you've got the right antenna |
| 00:18.08 | art3mis | plextor has this enat little usb thingy for just such a cause |
| 00:18.12 | art3mis | neat |
| 00:18.37 | art3mis | not premium hdtv mind you, just the regular stations hd broadcast |
| 00:19.59 | JoshBorke | yes, they are required to |
| 00:21.17 | art3mis | yeah i didnt know that til today |
| 00:21.21 | art3mis | thats kinna neat |
| 00:21.32 | art3mis | i think ill buy that plextor thingy and see how well it works |
| 00:21.50 | art3mis | anyone here have a flashcard dv cam? |
| 00:21.52 | art3mis | btw |
| 00:26.30 | |Jelly| | In pitbull, when you configure for the different...i dunno...group settings (raid/party/solo) if you move your unit frame (player) will it revert back for say, solo if you move it in party or will it stay there? |
| 00:27.59 | JoshBorke | stays there |
| 00:28.17 | |Jelly| | Ok so it wont move around based upon your group status? |
| 00:28.24 | |Jelly| | (just trying to be clear) |
| 00:28.37 | JoshBorke | correct |
| 00:28.43 | |Jelly| | Alright. |
| 00:45.41 | Kaydeethree | wow at the bitching in general |
| 00:45.59 | Kaydeethree | kalagan should not have responded to the thread directed at him |
| 00:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, link |
| 00:51.26 | foxlit | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/1134165636.htm |
| 00:51.44 | Kaydeethree | it's in progress right now, check the thread itself as well |
| 00:52.00 | foxlit | Doesn't quite capture the drama, but it's better without half the "zomgbbq!" posts |
| 00:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Yes, one of the changes is a reduction to the mace spec stun proc rate." BURN |
| 00:53.08 | Kaydeethree | ooh, boo. the thread capped out |
| 00:56.36 | cladhaire | People are so fucking melodramatic |
| 00:56.59 | Kaydeethree | it's general...? |
| 00:57.12 | cladhaire | but someone had to start the thread =/ |
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| 01:05.58 | art3mis | i should go complain that i cant out dps aoe mages on multiple targets in shadowform and demand that i get some sort of godly aoe thingy |
| 01:06.13 | cladhaire | you'll get it, the devs all play shadow priests. |
| 01:06.15 | cladhaire | i have proof. |
| 01:06.17 | art3mis | hah |
| 01:06.54 | art3mis | because we ruled prior to the class upgrades, prior to tbc and ruled after tbc and continue to be one of the most stable can always count ona group classes in the game? |
| 01:07.18 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:07.54 | art3mis | for some reason that always made me laugh, mages and priests were the last two to get class upgradse for the 1.6-1.12 "fixes" and yet as each class got buffed sp's still ate them alive |
| 01:08.05 | art3mis | and 90% of the mage changes had to do with icon graphics hehe |
| 01:08.13 | Kaydeethree | mage armor, woo! |
| 01:08.20 | art3mis | that was my fav part of patch days |
| 01:08.28 | art3mis | reading what mage icon got a new graphic |
| 01:08.52 | art3mis | are they really turfing the length of sheep btw? |
| 01:09.05 | Kaydeethree | dunno. hopefully it's only a pvp thing |
| 01:09.11 | art3mis | thats still by far themost annoying spell in existence |
| 01:09.22 | cladhaire | its for PVP only, afaik, and its not just sheep, its all controls. |
| 01:09.26 | cladhaire | down to 10 seconds max |
| 01:09.27 | Kaydeethree | indeed. it regens my sheep's health. really pissing me off |
| 01:09.44 | art3mis | i did notice something kind of funny about it though |
| 01:10.08 | art3mis | if you button mash pw:shield the sheep actually breaks a split second before the spell hits and it's just long enough to get the shield up |
| 01:10.27 | cladhaire | i dont ever get sheeped |
| 01:10.29 | Kaydeethree | </3 lag-related bugs |
| 01:10.32 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:10.35 | art3mis | i always do |
| 01:10.36 | cladhaire | they would sheep my warlock partner if anything |
| 01:10.43 | JoshBorke | cladhaire = n00b drood |
| 01:10.46 | cladhaire | no, |
| 01:10.48 | cladhaire | spriest |
| 01:10.48 | cladhaire | nub |
| 01:10.56 | cladhaire | !c us stormrage sagart |
| 01:10.58 | JoshBorke | you have a spriest too? |
| 01:11.01 | art3mis | to be fair ive only done arena a fwe times |
| 01:11.02 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Sagart, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (14/0/47). 7811 HP; 9255 Mana; 129 mana regen; 19 mp5; 36 spell crit; 80 spell hit; 635 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (814); 250 shadow dmg (885); 6.42% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 745 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26a7r2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3yjuwy ]] |
| 01:11.04 | cladhaire | uhh its only my main. |
| 01:11.05 | art3mis | im talking world and bg's |
| 01:11.26 | cladhaire | jeepers, what gear did i log off with, lol |
| 01:11.27 | JoshBorke | didn't you used to be drood? |
| 01:11.41 | cladhaire | when I was horde, yes. |
| 01:11.41 | art3mis | !c us echo isles rozalyn |
| 01:11.47 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Rozalyn, Level 70 Undead Priest (9/0/52). 7861 HP; 8880 Mana; 161 mana regen; 5 mp5; 97 spell crit; 14 spell hit; 601 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (780); 241 shadow dmg (842); 5.62% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 745 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27gvzg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39t2on ]] |
| 01:11.48 | cladhaire | then 95% of the horde on my server left |
| 01:11.59 | JoshBorke | i can't keep up with you |
| 01:11.59 | Thunder_Child | why is everyone around here a priest |
| 01:12.05 | JoshBorke | takes too much effort |
| 01:12.06 | cladhaire | cause they're imba |
| 01:12.06 | art3mis | always been priest |
| 01:12.07 | cladhaire | and i love healing |
| 01:12.12 | cladhaire | like a lot :P |
| 01:12.14 | Thunder_Child | !c us draenor prismatic |
| 01:12.15 | cladhaire | im rolling my shaman next |
| 01:12.15 | JoshBorke | ...as a shadow priest :-P |
| 01:12.18 | ThraeBot | Thunder_Child: Prismatic, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (34/27/0). 8031 HP; 9999 Mana; 234 mana regen; 35 mp5; 251 spell crit; 40 spell hit; 773 +spell dmg/heal; 6.18% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 733 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq3kem ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sfokt ]] |
| 01:12.19 | art3mis | and ive only been holy for about 3 weeks |
| 01:12.24 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: I still have like 1300 +healing |
| 01:12.28 | art3mis | the rest was shadow ;P |
| 01:12.29 | cladhaire | and with dailies, I can respec if I need to. |
| 01:12.37 | art3mis | hehe i have 1100 healing in gear |
| 01:12.38 | JoshBorke | !c us stormreaver dagh |
| 01:12.42 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Dagh, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/2/45). 7391 HP; 7845 Mana; 162 mana regen; 24 mp5; 126 spell crit; 58 spell hit; 696 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (875); 179 shadow dmg (875); 4.82% dodge; 11 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 752 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yt335d ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ck2e3 ]] |
| 01:12.45 | Thunder_Child | i'm holy dps |
| 01:12.57 | JoshBorke | i should play my priest and finish gearing up |
| 01:13.06 | cladhaire | !vs us stormrage sagart us draenor prismatic |
| 01:13.07 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Sagart vs Prismatic! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/0/47 vs 34/27/0; Sagart wins by 13 TBRs! |
| 01:13.07 | art3mis | and ive never set foot in ssc, gone to kara 3 times and did gruul twice |
| 01:13.11 | art3mis | all with no loot ;P |
| 01:13.26 | art3mis | my stast are allf rom 5mans(none heroic) and quests/world drops |
| 01:13.31 | JoshBorke | !vs us stormreaver dagh us stormrage sagart |
| 01:13.33 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Dagh vs Sagart! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/2/45 vs 14/0/47; Dagh wins by 6 TBRs! |
| 01:14.04 | art3mis | !vs us stormreaver dagh us echo isles rozalyn |
| 01:14.04 | ThraeBot | art3mis: dagh vs rozalyn! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! dagh wins by 7837614 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 01:14.10 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:14.25 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:14.27 | art3mis | whats tbr? |
| 01:14.30 | JoshBorke | ~tbr |
| 01:14.31 | purl | well, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take which classes are fighting each other. "to be released" |
| 01:15.00 | art3mis | !vs us draenor prismatic us echo isles rozalyn |
| 01:15.02 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Prismatic vs Rozalyn! Two 70 priests square off!; 34/27/0 vs 9/0/52; Rozalyn wins by 12 TBRs! |
| 01:15.10 | art3mis | yay! |
| 01:15.11 | JoshBorke | how does a shadow priest with less health, less mana, less damage beat another shadow priest? |
| 01:15.25 | art3mis | i wouldnt win that one |
| 01:15.30 | art3mis | he'd out heal all my mana |
| 01:16.21 | art3mis | !vs us stormrage sagart us echo isles rozalyn |
| 01:16.25 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Sagart vs Rozalyn! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/0/47 vs 9/0/52; Sagart wins by 1 TBRs! |
| 01:16.30 | art3mis | ooooooooooo |
| 01:17.59 | art3mis | how ya like that spec josh? |
| 01:19.37 | JoshBorke | the 2 points in renew are stupid |
| 01:19.44 | JoshBorke | or healing focus, whatever |
| 01:20.11 | Thunder_Child | i'm not a shadow priest |
| 01:20.45 | N00bZXI | healing focus |
| 01:20.51 | N00bZXI | is nice to have |
| 01:21.41 | Thunder_Child | prismatic != SP |
| 01:21.59 | art3mis | http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Aiptek-High-Definition-Compact-Camcorder-GO-HD/sem/rpsm/oid/180747/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs |
| 01:22.05 | Thunder_Child | sp's are easy |
| 01:22.11 | cladhaire | art3mis: I'm working on it, but i'll stay with the same point spread |
| 01:22.12 | cladhaire | its been good |
| 01:22.17 | art3mis | i think i wanna get that |
| 01:22.23 | cladhaire | only diff is mana burn |
| 01:22.27 | cladhaire | which tbh i dont get a chance to use, at all |
| 01:22.29 | art3mis | yeah |
| 01:22.39 | cladhaire | but as i rise in rank, *shrug* |
| 01:22.41 | art3mis | i actually went with my spec for pure burst damage in raids |
| 01:23.03 | art3mis | in gruuls i average 2800-3200 for mb and sw:d |
| 01:23.05 | cladhaire | i can't raid anymore. |
| 01:23.18 | art3mis | it became a game with me and the other main sp to see who could pull the guards first |
| 01:23.35 | art3mis | and the the paladins joined in the game to see who could keep us alive the longest ;P |
| 01:23.42 | cladhaire | cause i'm going to england |
| 01:23.50 | art3mis | are ya? why for? |
| 01:23.51 | Cidan|food | sup |
| 01:23.56 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, no IS might not want to get it |
| 01:24.05 | art3mis | ? |
| 01:24.11 | art3mis | is? |
| 01:24.18 | Thunder_Child | Image stabilization |
| 01:24.26 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:24.40 | art3mis | none of my cameras have ahd IS |
| 01:24.46 | art3mis | i cant see it being THAT bad |
| 01:24.57 | art3mis | it's not like im buying it as a still camera |
| 01:25.27 | art3mis | hell pictures on my blackjack are horrid because it's so thin |
| 01:25.39 | art3mis | and pushing the buttont to snap pics mvoes it |
| 01:25.44 | art3mis | it's awesome ;P |
| 01:26.05 | art3mis | but 250 for a 720p that uses flash cards is pretty rad |
| 01:26.17 | art3mis | appearantly it's got an awesome abttery lfie too |
| 01:26.20 | art3mis | battery |
| 01:27.04 | Shirik | hmm, we both got home about the same time I guess :P |
| 01:27.08 | Shirik | I had to take care of the dogs |
| 01:27.08 | Cidan | no |
| 01:27.14 | Cidan | I had to... well, nevermind |
| 01:27.15 | Cidan | :D |
| 01:27.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:27.39 | Shirik | cops all over the place -_- |
| 01:27.45 | Cidan | yeah, did you see that? |
| 01:27.50 | Cidan | they were on a roll tonight |
| 01:28.02 | art3mis | and yet they still didnt catch you? |
| 01:28.05 | art3mis | nice! |
| 01:28.07 | Cidan | Nope! |
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| 01:28.12 | art3mis | im telling |
| 01:28.13 | Cidan | I drive like in GTA3 |
| 01:28.16 | Cidan | it's insane. |
| 01:28.17 | Shirik | lol |
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| 01:28.24 | art3mis | hehe iw as playing crazy taxi 2 last night in big apple mode |
| 01:28.24 | Shirik | I drive an SUV |
| 01:28.27 | Shirik | it would flip over if you did that |
| 01:28.41 | art3mis | and realized it's not much different than real life taxi drivers here |
| 01:28.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:28.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth |
| 01:28.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just got two weakened souls at once |
| 01:28.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | with different timers |
| 01:28.57 | Shirik | I did that before |
| 01:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | like one was about a second off |
| 01:29.06 | Shirik | it's because of the spell buffer |
| 01:29.24 | Shirik | same way two mages can polymorph each other |
| 01:29.32 | art3mis | hah |
| 01:29.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but that has a cast time |
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| 01:29.47 | art3mis | ya know whats the most annoying thing ever |
| 01:29.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually instant stuff isn't as effected by the buffer |
| 01:29.58 | art3mis | dueling someone in your group and being unable to shield yourself |
| 01:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | or shielding them just |
| 01:31.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | as you start |
| 01:31.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | after the timer before they flag as hostile |
| 01:31.23 | Shirik | btw Cidan I'm totally paying when we go to D&B |
| 01:32.15 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:32.23 | Cidan | we end up paying for our own game time |
| 01:32.28 | Cidan | but it is unlikely we will let you |
| 01:32.32 | Cidan | I has quick reaction time |
| 01:32.37 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 01:32.40 | Shirik | check this |
| 01:32.44 | Shirik | marketing strategies in trade chat |
| 01:33.02 | Cidan | ... |
| 01:33.03 | Cidan | okay? |
| 01:33.14 | Shirik | "WTS Mooncloth bag 10g each. Don't settle for Netherweave, Netherweave is BOE! Mooncloth does NOT bind when equipped. You can resell it or trade it when you upgrade bags!" |
| 01:33.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:33.28 | Cidan | That's pretty nice |
| 01:33.32 | Cidan | You know what else is nice? |
| 01:33.38 | Cidan | --|| WARNING: NEVER try to serialize (in or out) before initialization. <--- why? |
| 01:33.44 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:33.50 | Shirik | because...... hang on I had a good reason for this |
| 01:33.55 | Shirik | where did I write that, remind me |
| 01:33.57 | Shirik | Sync.lua? |
| 01:33.59 | Cidan | root.lua |
| 01:34.01 | Shirik | oh no Root |
| 01:34.01 | Shirik | ya |
| 01:34.07 | Cidan | but we delay init now, don't we? |
| 01:34.13 | Shirik | Because before init, you can't guarantee VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 01:34.24 | Cidan | Yes you can, I tied it to variables loaded |
| 01:34.24 | Cidan | :P |
| 01:34.25 | Shirik | therefore you could write to the data structure and then it'll disappear |
| 01:34.30 | Shirik | well that |
| 01:34.31 | Cidan | init doesn't run 'til variables loaded |
| 01:34.34 | Shirik | that's what that warning was for :P |
| 01:34.40 | Thunder_Child | i still have a card from D&B..i swaer i am never gonna use that thing |
| 01:34.42 | Cidan | okay, so it's safe |
| 01:34.44 | Thunder_Child | swear* |
| 01:34.48 | Cidan | Thunder_Child, <3 D&B |
| 01:34.54 | Thunder_Child | only ever been there once |
| 01:35.01 | Cidan | it's soooo fun. |
| 01:35.01 | Thunder_Child | good food reasonable prices |
| 01:35.03 | Shirik | iirc that's the only reason |
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| 01:35.17 | Cidan | then allow me to "edit" that message |
| 01:35.18 | Cidan | :P |
| 01:35.23 | Thunder_Child | being wanded on the way in isnt to fun though |
| 01:35.28 | Cidan | wtf |
| 01:35.31 | Cidan | you were wanded? |
| 01:35.36 | Thunder_Child | yep, everyone was |
| 01:35.38 | Cidan | where did you go to D&B, Watts? |
| 01:35.50 | Thunder_Child | yes... |
| 01:35.52 | Cidan | (That's in Cali, for the non-americans) |
| 01:35.57 | Thunder_Child | hold on, let me look it up |
| 01:36.42 | Thunder_Child | Ontario Mills Mall |
| 01:36.55 | Thunder_Child | i think.... |
| 01:37.00 | Thunder_Child | seems about right |
| 01:37.55 | Thunder_Child | strict place "Non-smoking. Under 21 year old guests must be accompanied by their parent or a guardian 30 years of age or older. (6 minors to 1 adult maximum). Underage guests are welcome to stay until 10:00pm unless already seated in the Dining Room." |
| 01:39.05 | Cidan | yeah |
| 01:39.21 | Cidan | they serve a lot of drinks |
| 01:39.24 | Cidan | at night it's like a bar |
| 01:39.57 | Cidan | in the middle of the game room they have a giant bar with drinks, etc |
| 01:40.06 | Cidan | of course you know this, you've been there. :P |
| 01:41.29 | AnduinLothar | Someone name me their favorite addon I've never heard of. |
| 01:41.46 | Shirik | though Cidan, that does pose one problem |
| 01:42.04 | Shirik | I think you overestimate my age ;) |
| 01:42.18 | Cidan | No no |
| 01:42.22 | Cidan | We were just talking about your age |
| 01:42.28 | Cidan | but we won't be there past 10 |
| 01:42.35 | Cidan | So it's not an issue |
| 01:43.13 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Conspiracy |
| 01:43.32 | AnduinLothar | I've heard of Conspiracy in passing, but not what it does |
| 01:43.41 | Shirik | =P |
| 01:44.08 | AnduinLothar | i'm actually serius |
| 01:44.16 | Cidan | It's our replacement to RDX.Cid |
| 01:44.18 | AnduinLothar | tho it is kinda chuckle funny |
| 01:44.45 | Cidan | Shirik, I'm going to make it check for table vars in children release auto-magic |
| 01:45.01 | Cidan | so you don't have to call table:destroy() if it's in the child system |
| 01:47.09 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: RDX.Cid is being completely rewritten from scratch. It will be faster, use less memory, and be more powerful than it was ever before. |
| 01:47.17 | Shirik | We can rebuild it, we can make it stronger, faster |
| 01:47.30 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:47.33 | Cidan | <3 that movie |
| 01:47.34 | AnduinLothar | still called RDX.cid? |
| 01:47.36 | Cidan | no |
| 01:47.37 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:47.38 | Cidan | wtf |
| 01:47.41 | Cidan | Conspiracy, :P |
| 01:47.45 | Cidan | www.conspiracy-ui.com |
| 01:47.52 | AnduinLothar | oh, thought it was a lib for it |
| 01:48.04 | Cidan | It serves as both really |
| 01:48.20 | Cidan | Shirik, PrintLine("WARNING: "..name.." is not using Conspiracy.Var for table creation!"); :P |
| 01:49.50 | cladhaire | Cidan: the || looks like "Conspiracy 2" |
| 01:50.35 | Cidan | hmm, I'll fix it later I suppose |
| 01:51.12 | Thunder_Child | you know, by the simple act of looking at " |
| 01:51.12 | Thunder_Child | Who's online |
| 01:51.12 | Thunder_Child | There are currently 0 users and 0 guests online." |
| 01:51.21 | art3mis | so cid are you actually making a full ui? |
| 01:51.21 | Thunder_Child | you should see a 1 in the guests spot |
| 01:51.29 | Cidan | Shirik and I do |
| 01:51.32 | Cidan | er, am |
| 01:51.40 | art3mis | i r baboon? |
| 01:51.53 | Cidan | and the page has a 1 minute cache |
| 01:52.13 | AnduinLothar | anyone have a fave addon i haven't heard of that is actually finished? |
| 01:52.25 | art3mis | sphere |
| 01:52.40 | AnduinLothar | smeels liek an ace name |
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| 01:52.44 | art3mis | it is |
| 01:52.47 | art3mis | its enat though |
| 01:52.49 | art3mis | neat |
| 01:52.50 | Shirik | cladhaire ? |
| 01:52.57 | Shirik | oh nm |
| 01:53.06 | art3mis | benecast is fun too |
| 01:53.12 | art3mis | if yer a healer type |
| 01:53.13 | Shirik | Cidan: The correct conjugation is "are" |
| 01:53.30 | AnduinLothar | i dont heal this year.. much |
| 01:53.43 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Serenity? |
| 01:53.55 | Shirik | though you don't heal |
| 01:53.55 | AnduinLothar | i would liek a replacement for Dorje's Healing bars tho |
| 01:54.05 | AnduinLothar | it's been erroring |
| 01:54.15 | Shirik | what do they o? |
| 01:54.15 | Shirik | do? |
| 01:54.17 | Thunder_Child | really? i use them...dont have much of a problem |
| 01:54.18 | art3mis | benecast basically puts little buttons you select next to each marty member |
| 01:54.29 | art3mis | so you just click those instead of click casting n stuff |
| 01:54.29 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't break, just errors... |
| 01:54.40 | Shirik | but I mean what is that addon supposed to do |
| 01:54.51 | Shirik | oh that was @ Thunder_Child |
| 01:54.54 | AnduinLothar | i get it mixed up with Visual heal |
| 01:55.04 | art3mis | someone go fix minigroup |
| 01:55.06 | AnduinLothar | one of them shows how much the heal is gonna land for |
| 01:55.09 | art3mis | and make it work again |
| 01:55.12 | AnduinLothar | on a bar |
| 01:55.13 | Thunder_Child | "fter some taunts from my fellow guildies, I've decided to write an addon like Forecast myself. And here it is. |
| 01:55.13 | Thunder_Child | Dorje's Healing Bars. |
| 01:55.13 | Thunder_Child | The concept is pretty simple. Show the casting bars of other healers in raid healing you, |
| 01:55.13 | Thunder_Child | your target or your focus target. |
| 01:55.15 | Thunder_Child | The mod is based on Ace2, so it's very lightweight and pleasant to the eye. |
| 01:55.17 | Thunder_Child | You have a lot of ways to adjust the bars themselves and their behavior like bar and text size, |
| 01:55.19 | Thunder_Child | bar texture, growing upwards, downwards, and toggling the bars themselves." |
| 01:55.21 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 01:55.23 | art3mis | i want my awesome compact none gay party frames back |
| 01:55.25 | Thunder_Child | stupid lack of 1 liner |
| 01:55.26 | Shirik | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 01:55.26 | purl | cuts off Thunder_Child's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 01:55.41 | Thunder_Child | well thats an exceprt from the readme file |
| 01:55.47 | art3mis | AnduinLothar: you could try quartz |
| 01:55.54 | Shirik | quartz is awesome |
| 01:55.58 | Shirik | and I don't like to use ace mods |
| 01:56.00 | Shirik | and quartz is awesome |
| 01:56.03 | art3mis | its mostly the same thing |
| 01:56.05 | N00bZXI | yes it is |
| 01:56.05 | AnduinLothar | i have heard it is, how's the setup? |
| 01:56.05 | Thunder_Child | i have quartz and the healing bars |
| 01:56.06 | art3mis | only rpetty |
| 01:56.16 | Shirik | setup is extremely easy |
| 01:56.17 | |Jelly| | Quartz is purdy to the face. |
| 01:56.29 | art3mis | it makes shirik happy in the pants |
| 01:56.33 | Shirik | very |
| 01:56.37 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Sphere needs ss's |
| 01:56.46 | art3mis | umm i can describe it |
| 01:56.58 | N00bZXI | The single reason I don't use Quartz is because the only module I'd use is Latency, and I have that on my castbar already. |
| 01:57.01 | Thunder_Child | it's a golden shpere |
| 01:57.06 | Thunder_Child | sphere* |
| 01:57.15 | Thunder_Child | found in a 27th century space ship |
| 01:57.16 | art3mis | you've got you in the center with mana down one side of the circle and hp down the other side. the numbers pop in the circle center for heals and damage |
| 01:57.30 | AnduinLothar | so it's a hud? |
| 01:57.37 | art3mis | then you have 10 "rows" that suinburst from the circle |
| 01:57.53 | art3mis | that youc an fill with spells and stuff, for events ie in combat out of combat resting etc |
| 01:58.04 | art3mis | and they appear and hide depending on what yer doing |
| 01:58.23 | art3mis | its kinna neato to muck with |
| 01:58.24 | AnduinLothar | hud + custom bars? |
| 01:58.29 | art3mis | its not a hud |
| 01:58.33 | art3mis | its a player unit frame |
| 01:58.38 | art3mis | player only unit frame |
| 01:58.41 | art3mis | with buttons |
| 01:58.42 | AnduinLothar | lol, that's the same thing |
| 01:58.49 | N00bZXI | huds also have pet/target/focus |
| 01:58.54 | AnduinLothar | meh, w/e |
| 01:59.01 | N00bZXI | or at least all I've seen do |
| 01:59.03 | AnduinLothar | technicalities |
| 01:59.06 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 01:59.12 | art3mis | huds go in the center of the screen and show stuff. |
| 01:59.29 | art3mis | this shows very little ;P |
| 01:59.38 | art3mis | its mainly the buttons that are neat |
| 01:59.48 | Cidan | Hey Shirik, you know how you changed around those utility funcs |
| 01:59.50 | art3mis | oh and it can shift spells based on form too |
| 01:59.55 | Cidan | did you ever, oh, I dunno, commit? |
| 01:59.57 | art3mis | like bear cat shadow etc |
| 01:59.59 | Shirik | ... oops |
| 02:00.19 | art3mis | shift spells == show or hide the buttons |
| 02:00.32 | art3mis | it's fun to play with go try it ;P |
| 02:00.48 | Shirik | Cidan: Of course I did, what are you complaining about |
| 02:01.41 | art3mis | hey cid, for the fonts thing why not just rip off clearfonts ;P |
| 02:01.52 | art3mis | that works great for font stuff |
| 02:01.55 | cladhaire | anyone know how much resilience is currently affecting DoTs? |
| 02:01.56 | N00bZXI | Question: Is there any way to get the starting duration of the player's buffs/debuffs? |
| 02:02.13 | art3mis | startin duration? |
| 02:02.24 | N00bZXI | ugh |
| 02:02.25 | AnduinLothar | clad: currently it's not afaik |
| 02:02.34 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 02:02.34 | AnduinLothar | unless you mean on ptr |
| 02:02.35 | N00bZXI | I mean to get the duration |
| 02:02.39 | cladhaire | i mean on ptr |
| 02:02.40 | N00bZXI | so if you have 20mins of fort left |
| 02:02.44 | N00bZXI | it'd return 30mins |
| 02:02.47 | AnduinLothar | dunno then |
| 02:02.53 | Cidan | art3mis, because I want suggestions as to what people want to see |
| 02:03.00 | art3mis | oh |
| 02:03.07 | art3mis | hrm as a full ui? |
| 02:03.15 | art3mis | an installer like mazzles |
| 02:03.22 | art3mis | without the gay addon choices |
| 02:03.28 | art3mis | umm |
| 02:03.29 | Thunder_Child | i would like the option to sho the name of the player that cast it on you |
| 02:03.32 | Thunder_Child | show* |
| 02:04.07 | art3mis | autoform actionbutton swapping |
| 02:04.33 | art3mis | turn shadow see shadowy spells shift out see a different layout |
| 02:04.59 | N00bZXI | ui? |
| 02:05.22 | AnduinLothar | does quartz have a swing timer for your target? |
| 02:05.36 | art3mis | i believe so yes |
| 02:05.50 | N00bZXI | you mean it times your swings or your target's? |
| 02:05.57 | art3mis | yes |
| 02:06.01 | AnduinLothar | target's swings |
| 02:06.18 | AnduinLothar | i have an addon that does that now, don't remember the name |
| 02:06.23 | Wobin | oh ffs |
| 02:06.30 | Wobin | the armoury 'suggestion' page is useless |
| 02:06.34 | Cidan | no, you will have modules, etc, like RDX, but it's not going to replace everything |
| 02:06.38 | Wobin | you can't sort by anything =( |
| 02:06.42 | Cidan | it's going to be like RDX was, only better |
| 02:07.18 | Shirik | art3mis: An OOBE |
| 02:07.22 | Shirik | is what you mean |
| 02:07.26 | Shirik | in theory a module could be made to do it |
| 02:07.39 | Shirik | but I think that's a low priority if anything at all |
| 02:07.43 | art3mis | no |
| 02:07.46 | art3mis | it's a must have! |
| 02:07.48 | N00bZXI | rewrite of rdx.cid? |
| 02:07.49 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:08.02 | art3mis | rewrite would imply that they kept any of the rdx code ;P |
| 02:08.15 | Shirik | Zero of it has been copied |
| 02:08.18 | art3mis | they took the etch-a-sketch and turned it upside down and shook |
| 02:08.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:08.59 | AnduinLothar | are you using premade libs? |
| 02:09.08 | Cidan | no |
| 02:09.11 | AnduinLothar | why not? |
| 02:09.26 | Cidan | because we think we can do it better |
| 02:09.32 | AnduinLothar | of course |
| 02:10.01 | AnduinLothar | are you making sepperate libs or is everything just gonna be part of the rdx addon? |
| 02:10.13 | Shirik | There will be exposed APIs that people can use if they want |
| 02:10.18 | cladhaire | what libs would they use? |
| 02:10.22 | Shirik | make their own modules, etc. But I doubt any of it would be useful |
| 02:10.25 | Shirik | for any non-module |
| 02:10.28 | N00bZXI | speaking of libs |
| 02:10.31 | AnduinLothar | well i know rdx does comm stuff |
| 02:10.43 | Shirik | To access comms, you'd have to make an RDX Module |
| 02:10.47 | Shirik | the syntax is Module:SendMessage() |
| 02:10.48 | AnduinLothar | and i'm sure you're gonna use hookign somewhere |
| 02:11.01 | Shirik | er |
| 02:11.03 | Shirik | Conspiracy module |
| 02:11.04 | N00bZXI | IMO, addons should load only what is necessary, but take advantage of other libs if they're present |
| 02:11.17 | Cidan | Well it's all optional |
| 02:11.21 | AnduinLothar | and i almost garentee a timer |
| 02:11.22 | Cidan | you don't have to load what you don't want to |
| 02:11.31 | N00bZXI | I mean in general |
| 02:11.41 | AnduinLothar | and there's a plethera of other libs out there |
| 02:11.55 | Cidan | I'm sure there are, but we're aiming for a different method |
| 02:11.58 | N00bZXI | for example if a mod does a simple thing with 2 or 3 different options, why make a minimap icon? |
| 02:12.09 | Cidan | The world didn't get to where it was today by using the same old tech since the stone age. :P |
| 02:12.20 | Shirik | Here we go again |
| 02:12.30 | Cidan | Whaattt? |
| 02:12.32 | Shirik | For some reason half the people in this channel insist on forcing libs down peoples throats |
| 02:12.36 | Shirik | And I just don't get it |
| 02:12.38 | Cidan | No kidding |
| 02:12.39 | Cidan | :P |
| 02:12.47 | Shirik | How many times have we had this conversation now? I'm sure Cide knows |
| 02:13.39 | AnduinLothar | I understand wanting to do it yourself. but if you're gonna code it why not make it abstracted enough so that it's easy for other authors to use without requiring your whole package. that's all. |
| 02:13.45 | N00bZXI | What I mean is if I was writing, for example, a mod using Ace2, I wouldn't embed Waterfall/FuBarPlugin/SharedMedia, but take advantage of them if another addon loaded them anyway |
| 02:13.54 | Thunder_Child | 1,039 times Shirik |
| 02:13.59 | Shirik | thank you Thunder_Child |
| 02:14.04 | Thunder_Child | your wlecome |
| 02:14.09 | N00bZXI | I'm just curious why other addons don't do this |
| 02:14.27 | Cide | Shirik: "too fucking many" I believe it is |
| 02:14.27 | cladhaire | N00bZXI: would be a great idea, wish people would actually take care of it? |
| 02:14.31 | AnduinLothar | i've written a ton of addons with optional deps |
| 02:14.38 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.41 | Nom- | lol @ wrong house |
| 02:14.59 | AnduinLothar | telltrack has like 10 opt deps or something rediculous like that |
| 02:15.01 | Cide | optional deps are meant for extra features, not libs |
| 02:15.14 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: no one was talking about you, we know you do that |
| 02:15.24 | AnduinLothar | N00bZXI was talkign about opt deps |
| 02:15.47 | Cidan | AnduinLothar, what I'm saying is that they don't need our whole package. The framework for Conspiracy is really just a lib in the end, with some sugar on top. |
| 02:15.47 | AnduinLothar | the ones he mentioned are gui configs, which are generally opt dep |
| 02:15.54 | N00bZXI | I'm talking in general, not just opt deps |
| 02:15.59 | N00bZXI | opt deps only work if you disembed |
| 02:16.02 | Cidan | Everything else, raid frames, etc, will be in its' own module |
| 02:16.08 | Shirik | yup |
| 02:16.16 | Shirik | Essentially that's what FuBar is too |
| 02:16.18 | Shirik | a library |
| 02:16.21 | Shirik | with some stuff on top |
| 02:16.23 | Cidan | yup |
| 02:16.26 | AnduinLothar | fubar is more than a library |
| 02:16.32 | Shirik | yeah it's two little bars |
| 02:16.32 | Cidan | not really when you think about it |
| 02:16.37 | Cidan | just a bar |
| 02:16.38 | AnduinLothar | it's a configuration and display package |
| 02:16.43 | Cidan | right |
| 02:16.46 | Cidan | :P |
| 02:17.02 | Shirik | It exposes APIs that other authors can then take advantage of |
| 02:17.05 | Shirik | i.e., a library |
| 02:17.05 | AnduinLothar | that's bigger than the scope of a single lib imo |
| 02:17.37 | N00bZXI | doesn't FuBarPlugin provide the API, not FuBar? |
| 02:17.45 | Shirik | I don't care I don't use it :P |
| 02:17.50 | Shirik | But the general idea is there |
| 02:18.15 | N00bZXI | I thought FuBar allowed you to move Minimap icons created with FuBarPlugin onto it instead |
| 02:18.33 | Shirik | fact of the matter, AnduinLothar, is that without making your addon a conspiracy module, I don't think there's much you could take advantage of |
| 02:18.42 | Shirik | for example, the comms stuff |
| 02:18.50 | Shirik | It needs to encode some information to help it figure out which module to send it to |
| 02:18.51 | cladhaire | making a general library isn't always a good thing |
| 02:19.01 | cladhaire | making a focused set of features for your own addon, and its modules seems to make sense. |
| 02:19.07 | Shirik | naturally this wouldn't make sense if there is no module |
| 02:19.42 | Cidan | It is inward focused, this isn't a general lib |
| 02:19.48 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 02:19.49 | Shirik | yup |
| 02:19.51 | cladhaire | which i support, entirely. |
| 02:19.57 | AnduinLothar | i wasn't recommending it should be |
| 02:20.22 | N00bZXI | Is anything other than Conspiracy going to use the library? |
| 02:20.25 | AnduinLothar | just wondering if it was gonna be self containing or be dependant on libs you have yet to write. |
| 02:20.37 | Shirik | N00bZXI: What library? |
| 02:20.47 | N00bZXI | wait, nevermind, misunderstood |
| 02:21.17 | Shirik | Okay, you know how NPCs have things under their names like <Blade Vendor> or <General Goods> |
| 02:21.29 | Shirik | Can someone please explain to me why one of the people in scryer terrace says <Fence> ? |
| 02:21.35 | Shirik | it's bugged me forever now |
| 02:21.44 | N00bZXI | I never noticed that |
| 02:21.53 | Cide | it's the gem vendor |
| 02:21.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:22.07 | Cide | I thought it was just a fancy word I didn't know! |
| 02:22.27 | Cidan | You don't know what a Fence is? |
| 02:22.37 | Cide | in terms of gem vendors |
| 02:22.53 | Shirik | ~dict fence |
| 02:23.00 | Shirik | ~dict 3 fence |
| 02:23.10 | Shirik | this could take a while |
| 02:23.19 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:23.27 | Cidan | it's someone who sells and buys stolen property |
| 02:23.33 | Cidan | simple as that |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | 222:232:21 12‹purl12› [5/16] a dealer in stolen property |
| 02:23.45 | Shirik | I'd never heard that term before |
| 02:23.55 | Cidan | Play Theif 1/2/3, :P |
| 02:24.37 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: To answer your question |
| 02:24.42 | Shirik | There aren't really any "libs" per se |
| 02:25.03 | Shirik | Each module will do its own thing. What Conspiracy's root provides is the framework with which modules can do what they want to do |
| 02:25.09 | Shirik | so it can hook in cleanly |
| 02:25.24 | Shirik | so that all modules will look similar, etc. |
| 02:25.29 | Shirik | While providing different functionaliies |
| 02:25.39 | Shirik | For example, all the windows look similar |
| 02:25.42 | Cidan | ie: each module doesn't need to write code for collecting and scanning unit data |
| 02:25.47 | Shirik | right |
| 02:25.57 | Cidan | the main Conspiracy lib will do that, all other modules hook onto it |
| 02:26.01 | Shirik | So that every time a module wants to parse an event, even if 10 modules want to parse it |
| 02:26.09 | Shirik | it will only be done once, saving both memory and CPU cycles |
| 02:26.10 | Cidan | it's only done once |
| 02:26.20 | AnduinLothar | what if none do? |
| 02:26.26 | Cidan | then it's not done |
| 02:26.40 | art3mis | shirik: code name for first beta should be called "Geeeezzzzzz" |
| 02:26.44 | AnduinLothar | sounds like a bunch of ace libs put together |
| 02:26.57 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: its nothing like Ace at all, what they just described. |
| 02:27.04 | Shirik | It's merely what Conspiracy needs to do its job |
| 02:27.09 | cladhaire | its a raid UI api |
| 02:27.11 | Shirik | One of the main functionalities is bossmod management |
| 02:27.12 | cladhaire | simple as that :-) |
| 02:27.24 | art3mis | conspiracy == vlf+rdx |
| 02:27.25 | AnduinLothar | thanks for clarifying |
| 02:27.27 | Shirik | And when you have tons of mods looking for the same thing (which was VERY prevalent in RDX.Cid) you waste a lot of time |
| 02:27.28 | art3mis | only not gay |
| 02:27.31 | AnduinLothar | no one said anythign about raid |
| 02:27.38 | Garoun|Loupana | I HATE prince |
| 02:27.46 | Garoun|Loupana | He boxed me in, I said watch it fall on me |
| 02:27.49 | Garoun|Loupana | it falls on me, |
| 02:27.52 | N00bZXI | I never really understood why VFL was a seperate addon from RDX |
| 02:28.03 | N00bZXI | why make it a lib if only one addon will use it? |
| 02:28.13 | Garoun|Loupana | so I use his shadownova to ride over the infernals... what does he do in my new spot... he drops another one on me |
| 02:28.16 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: its a _RAID_ ui.. |
| 02:28.26 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 02:28.33 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 02:28.35 | Shirik | N00bZXI: VFL is a library, written by Venificus, that we never touched |
| 02:28.52 | Shirik | It was intended to be used by multiple addons, but I don't think it ever was |
| 02:29.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i never saw anythign about raid anywhere in chat nor on the website >.> |
| 02:29.51 | AnduinLothar | and not having ever used rdx myself.. |
| 02:30.02 | Shirik | ok well now you know :) |
| 02:30.07 | Shirik | and knowing is half the battle! -- GIJoe |
| 02:30.18 | cladhaire | !ap 1900 |
| 02:30.18 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1900 is, 2v2: 626, 3v3: 715, 5v5: 894 |
| 02:30.22 | cladhaire | !ap 1800 |
| 02:30.23 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1800 is, 2v2: 532, 3v3: 608, 5v5: 760 |
| 02:30.40 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which... you might want to say what it is on the website somewhere obvious |
| 02:31.22 | art3mis | why would need other addons when rdx pays the bills? |
| 02:31.25 | Shirik | well as of right now I think the only people that know of the site are former RDX.Cid users so |
| 02:31.30 | AnduinLothar | cause from the looks it seems like a ui compilation with a core lib |
| 02:31.44 | Shirik | When it's more together it will probably have a better front page |
| 02:31.49 | Shirik | with a "wtf is Conspiracy" etc |
| 02:32.05 | art3mis | had you ever watched duckman? |
| 02:32.11 | art3mis | the cartoon |
| 02:32.18 | AnduinLothar | you put the link in irc. it's logged. it's on the interweb. you can't hide it now! |
| 02:32.31 | Shirik | Cidan: SingaporeNoodles don't forget! |
| 02:32.41 | Shirik | or whatever it was |
| 02:32.41 | Cidan | I won't |
| 02:32.43 | Shirik | I forgot already |
| 02:32.43 | art3mis | threes an episode where this villan is stealing left socks from laundromats |
| 02:32.46 | Cidan | Street Noodles |
| 02:32.47 | Cidan | :P |
| 02:32.50 | Shirik | that's right |
| 02:32.52 | N00bZXI | is the main page users online count working? I can see 2 guests forums but 0 main page |
| 02:33.05 | Cidan | it's on a 1 minute cache, yeesh, let me just remove that |
| 02:33.10 | art3mis | and every time they said CONSPIRACY! it was always as a dramatic point |
| 02:33.30 | N00bZXI | I've been viewing it longer than 1min |
| 02:34.00 | Cidan | either way, cache removed |
| 02:37.02 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, Quartz has nearly a meg of embedded libs, yummy |
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| 02:37.54 | art3mis | its prety powerful |
| 02:38.31 | AnduinLothar | mmm shere has 1.4mb |
| 02:38.36 | AnduinLothar | sphere* |
| 02:39.03 | AnduinLothar | ahh, both waterfall and threat in there |
| 02:39.10 | AnduinLothar | and dewdrop |
| 02:41.41 | art3mis | cid since yer busy working on yer addon thingy can you go do soemthing mindless and make the background colour of the webpage load a random colour each time i click it? |
| 02:41.54 | art3mis | or some other unrelated trivial thing? |
| 02:43.44 | N00bZXI | Is each module of Conspiracy going to be a seperate addon? |
| 02:44.34 | Cidan | Yes |
| 02:44.36 | art3mis | patience grasshopper, one cannot know the future if one speaks all the time and never lsitens |
| 02:44.53 | art3mis | hey cid |
| 02:45.03 | art3mis | if my head was made of cabbage how much would it cost? |
| 02:45.11 | Shirik | nothing |
| 02:45.13 | Shirik | it would be full of air |
| 02:45.15 | Shirik | next question |
| 02:45.39 | Thunder_Child | mostly water |
| 02:48.40 | Cidan | bleh, f this |
| 02:48.44 | Cidan | going to go try Bioshock |
| 02:48.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:48.49 | Shirik | have fun |
| 02:48.50 | Cidan | I'll work on var tables tomorrow |
| 02:48.56 | Cidan | get it all in place |
| 02:49.06 | Cidan | epic reduced memory usage, yay. |
| 02:49.16 | Cidan | I still thing we're in for a hurtin' |
| 02:49.36 | Shirik | I still think you're overthinking this :P |
| 02:49.45 | Cidan | And I think you're under, :P |
| 02:49.57 | Shirik | go play |
| 02:52.03 | Corrodias | what's the library that moves around frames to account for fubar and such? |
| 02:52.11 | Corrodias | and what do you do when it fails to move the minimap? |
| 02:52.40 | cladhaire | ]Jostlelib |
| 02:52.54 | Corrodias | that's the one |
| 02:55.39 | art3mis | simple |
| 02:55.44 | art3mis | you untick auto move |
| 02:55.47 | art3mis | and retick it |
| 02:55.53 | art3mis | and itll fix itself |
| 02:56.03 | Corrodias | auto move? where? |
| 02:56.24 | Corrodias | ah, the fubar option to auto-adjust blizzard frames? |
| 02:56.43 | art3mis | yup |
| 02:57.16 | art3mis | you should be using ricominimap though |
| 02:57.20 | art3mis | cuz its groovy |
| 02:57.30 | Corrodias | i have tried to think of a good reason to, but i can't |
| 02:58.08 | Corrodias | my minimap buttons could be fit around a different-looking minimap, but i couldn't find anything about the default one that dissatisfies me |
| 03:00.47 | Corrodias | but i think i'll get it out of principle. |
| 03:04.39 | Kaydeethree | ah, holy hell... I'm going to crash firefox at this rate |
| 03:04.49 | Kaydeethree | 50-some-odd tabs opened all pointing at tvtropes.org right now |
| 03:08.54 | Droffats | How much memory is that eating up? |
| 03:09.18 | Kaydeethree | 286 megabytes |
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| 03:10.21 | Droffats | Good grief |
| 03:10.38 | Kaydeethree | I've had firefox break 500 in day-long browsing sessions doing this on wikipedia |
| 03:10.47 | art3mis | Corrodias: get minibuttonbag too |
| 03:10.55 | Kaydeethree | hell, I've had firefox break 500 in normal day-long browsing sessions |
| 03:11.58 | Nom- | lol Firefox is terrible for long term use |
| 03:12.15 | Nom- | I've forgotten to close it over a weekend sometimes, and come back on Monday to find it using more than 1GB RAM |
| 03:12.21 | Nom- | That's doing nothing... just left it running |
| 03:13.34 | Iriel | I unfortunately have to restart firefox periodically too |
| 03:13.34 | Nom- | heck it's already using 100MB |
| 03:13.42 | Nom- | And i've only had it open for 2 hours |
| 03:13.43 | Iriel | though i'm a horrible abuser of tabs and image loading |
| 03:13.45 | N00bZXI | It's using 100mb for me, I started it when I joined this channel today |
| 03:13.47 | Nom- | less than that even, 1.5 hours tops |
| 03:15.41 | N00bZXI | Windows is using ~600mb of memory |
| 03:15.51 | N00bZXI | Not sure how much it should be using |
| 03:16.00 | Thunder_Child | i have never seen mine less than 100mb |
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| 03:16.34 | Thunder_Child | of cource i never have it with less than 10 at a time |
| 03:16.58 | Thunder_Child | what bothers me is when it starts taking up cpu usage |
| 03:22.32 | Arrowmaster | you should tweak firefox to not cache 10 pages backwards and forwards for every tab if you dont like the memory usage |
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| 03:26.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's built into fasterfox, right? |
| 03:26.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ability to easily tweak it? |
| 03:28.34 | N00bZXI | Anybody know if you can have fraps also capture the fps overlay it creates? |
| 03:28.42 | N00bZXI | by any chance? |
| 03:29.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure |
| 03:30.25 | Thunder_Child | yes N00bZXI, it has a checkbox option |
| 03:30.48 | N00bZXI | I can only see one for screenshots |
| 03:31.01 | Thunder_Child | you didnt say for video |
| 03:31.36 | Thunder_Child | besides, WoW has it built in |
| 03:31.48 | N00bZXI | Didn't remember it had that option before I opened it to take a look |
| 03:32.06 | N00bZXI | I don't use WoW because I can't move it effectively, and it's under my actionbar |
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| 03:34.16 | Thunder_Child | "The frame rate counter shouldn't be saved on your movies." looks like you will have to request the feature |
| 03:35.33 | Iriel | Interesting, so fraps lets the actual game framerate differ from the capture/movie framerate? |
| 03:35.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | N00bZXI |
| 03:36.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's quite a few frameymovey addons around :O |
| 03:38.03 | N00bZXI | Oh, and the WoW overlay is updated too fast imo |
| 03:38.08 | N00bZXI | sometimes it becomes hard to see |
| 03:38.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there a specific reason you want to record it? just wondering :O |
| 03:38.55 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, yes |
| 03:39.13 | Thunder_Child | you can choose at what fps to record at |
| 03:39.14 | N00bZXI | I'd like to basically record in ab or something once with full-size once with half-size so I can see how big of a difference it makes on FPS |
| 03:39.30 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Hm, I guess if the game is sufficiently ahead then it wouldn't feel to odd |
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| 03:39.55 | Thunder_Child | well i record at 30fps, but my game plays at 20fps when frapsing |
| 03:40.12 | N00bZXI | I haven't recorded anything at all for a long time |
| 03:40.28 | Thunder_Child | the game is only going slower *because* of fraps...the info is still being displayed to fraps at the same speed...just not your screen |
| 03:40.43 | N00bZXI | actually I think last time I have was before I got Vista RC1 |
| 03:40.43 | Shirik | man my holy crit rate used to be 20% |
| 03:40.45 | Shirik | now it's 11% |
| 03:41.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow |
| 03:41.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have only 10 factions worth tracking anymore D: |
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| 03:44.34 | Rallion | i'm looking at The Church of Scientology's wikipedia edits. |
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| 03:47.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:48.35 | ckknight | Rallion: oh? |
| 03:48.37 | ckknight | link? |
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| 03:51.18 | Droffats | With the wikiskanner? |
| 03:51.37 | Droffats | http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ |
| 03:52.02 | Rallion | er, yes, sorry, was reading :P |
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| 03:57.35 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 03:57.55 | Nom- | 6 channel SATA Raid 5 controller + 6 x 750TB drives = about 3.7TB usable space |
| 03:57.58 | Nom- | *drool* |
| 03:58.51 | Nom- | You could do that for a little over AUD 2300 too |
| 03:59.12 | Nom- | 750GB drives i mean |
| 03:59.44 | N00bZXI | what would you use 3.7tb on |
| 04:00.02 | Kaydeethree | same thing I'm already using nearly a terabyte on? |
| 04:00.06 | Kaydeethree | lots and lots of media |
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| 04:02.37 | Droffats | media... yeah. *wink* |
| 04:03.58 | Nom- | lol |
| 04:04.06 | Nom- | I've got.... over a TB of media |
| 04:04.32 | N00bZXI | I've got.... 60gb |
| 04:04.35 | Nom- | actually, might not be at the TB mark any more |
| 04:04.43 | AnduinLothar | i had a lot till i accidently reformattted that drive |
| 04:04.53 | Kaydeethree | ouch. I've pulled that stunt once |
| 04:04.55 | Nom- | But heck...at work |
| 04:05.02 | N00bZXI | most of which is music/old things I've made |
| 04:05.02 | Nom- | We eat TB for breakfast |
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| 04:05.20 | AnduinLothar | email storage server |
| 04:05.30 | Nom- | Total Capacity: 5.42 TB |
| 04:05.30 | Nom- | Currently Used: 3.42 TB |
| 04:05.30 | Nom- | Current Upload: 44.74 MB/s |
| 04:05.40 | AnduinLothar | the server that stores all the keyloggers in the building |
| 04:05.45 | Kaydeethree | 44 megs a second, cripes |
| 04:06.07 | Kaydeethree | I fear to think how much that costs, bandwidth-wise |
| 04:06.10 | N00bZXI | ah, servers |
| 04:06.19 | N00bZXI | now that makes more sense |
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| 04:07.23 | Nom- | You don't wanna know how much space our billing database uses :P |
| 04:08.00 | Nom- | Let's put it this way... we're buying a 4.5TB disk array for something like $100,000 |
| 04:08.38 | Kaydeethree | how many 9s of reliability does 100k get you? |
| 04:09.32 | Iriel | I think a more interesting question would be 'and then how much do you pay for the backup infrastructure for that'? |
| 04:10.07 | Iriel | (and power, and cooling) |
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| 04:10.43 | Nom- | heh |
| 04:10.46 | Cidan | it's official, Bioshock is one amazing game. |
| 04:10.54 | Nom- | we're buying that for our development environment |
| 04:10.55 | Iriel | aye, my PC download is waiting for me |
| 04:11.01 | Iriel | the 360 one was impressive enough |
| 04:11.04 | Iriel | I'm torn on which to buy |
| 04:11.08 | Nom- | Actually, I think it was $10,000 |
| 04:11.15 | Nom- | I think I am remembering too many zeroes |
| 04:11.17 | Cidan | I've not tried the 360 version |
| 04:11.18 | lolinternet | [06:07] <Nom-> Let's put it this way... we're buying a 4.5TB disk array for something like $100,000 <--what the hell, that's expensive for 4.5 TB |
| 04:11.27 | Cidan | The PC version runs like a dream and looks _amazing_ |
| 04:11.31 | Cidan | UE3 tech is nice |
| 04:11.33 | sag_ich_nicht | and i mean really expensive. |
| 04:11.34 | Kaydeethree | meh. I'd need either a 360 or a much better processor & graphics card and perhaps windows if I'd want to play |
| 04:11.43 | Nom- | It's a high availability SAN |
| 04:11.47 | Nom- | All SCSI drives |
| 04:11.48 | Droffats | How long did it take you to download the demo, Cidan? |
| 04:11.50 | Rallion | Cidan, DX9 or 10? |
| 04:11.57 | Cidan | 9 |
| 04:12.01 | Nom- | All 10,000 RPM drives too |
| 04:12.06 | Iriel | My download was 90 mins on steam |
| 04:12.25 | Rallion | I have the full version preloaded, but it gets released an hour after I go in to work tomorrow...luckily I have the day after off :P |
| 04:12.26 | Shirik | dear god, that second boss in BM sucks. |
| 04:12.29 | Shirik | Like not even kidding |
| 04:12.32 | Cidan | Uhm, a few hours |
| 04:12.32 | Shirik | Never done it as a healer |
| 04:12.36 | Cidan | 2? |
| 04:12.44 | sag_ich_nicht | still expensive Nom, i can get the SCSI controller and the HDDs for 4.5TB a LOT cheaper, add a few network cards, a server motherboard, let's say 2 gig ram and i'm not even close to 100k USD |
| 04:13.21 | AnduinLothar | building it yourself is of course cheeper |
| 04:13.37 | AnduinLothar | but i bet they want the warrenty and support staff |
| 04:14.32 | Thunder_Child | bah, would be nice if bioshock worked |
| 04:14.47 | Droffats | I like when stuff works. |
| 04:14.49 | Kyahx | Thunder_Child: PC rip out? |
| 04:14.56 | Thunder_Child | demo |
| 04:15.03 | Kyahx | getting my hopes up :( |
| 04:15.11 | Cidan | Thunder_Child, why doesn't it work? |
| 04:15.23 | Thunder_Child | no idea |
| 04:15.34 | Kyahx | I played the 360 demo, I can honestly say I was blown away |
| 04:15.55 | Kyahx | I might be grabbing it for xbox instead of my PC =X |
| 04:15.56 | Thunder_Child | boots to black screen, 0 cpu usage statck mem usage |
| 04:16.02 | Thunder_Child | static* |
| 04:16.08 | Rallion | that sucks |
| 04:16.38 | Shirik | I thought we were finally done with the "how can I cancel a heal if the target's HP is full" |
| 04:16.41 | Shirik | posts |
| 04:16.42 | Iriel | The PC version needs to be something incredible or I'll do the 360 as well |
| 04:16.42 | Shirik | ffs |
| 04:16.48 | Shirik | no wonder nobody can heal these days |
| 04:17.00 | Kyahx | I have a feeling the PC version will be incredible...on a brand new PC |
| 04:17.02 | Iriel | Sadly my receiver needs to go into the shop to have its backlight fixed, so I need to make sure I get a loaner or I can't play. |
| 04:17.08 | Kyahx | I don't think my current machine can keep up with my 360 |
| 04:17.11 | Cidan | I can't compare it to the 360 as I don't have one, but I love it on my computer. |
| 04:17.11 | Rallion | I HAVE a brand new PC |
| 04:17.17 | N00bZXI | I might need to upgrade my PC for dx10 games |
| 04:17.19 | Kyahx | especially considering I don't have windows on here ATM =X |
| 04:17.20 | Rallion | at least the important parts are brand new |
| 04:17.35 | Rallion | video card, memory, and CPU |
| 04:17.35 | Kyahx | I don't forsee Bioshock working in wine :P |
| 04:17.41 | Cidan | nor do I |
| 04:17.44 | Rallion | heh, yeah |
| 04:18.03 | Cidan | uses UE3, which will not work |
| 04:18.59 | Kyahx | Eh, I have a nice TV and stereo, so other than not really being able to justify $60 on a game when I need to pay rent...its all good :P |
| 04:19.00 | Rallion | I really am excited to see the engine in action |
| 04:19.26 | sag_ich_nicht | woooo, atlas 1.10.0 |
| 04:19.45 | Rallion | Even though I doubt I'll prefer the UE3 engine to Source |
| 04:19.52 | Cidan | heh |
| 04:19.57 | Cidan | have you seen UE3? |
| 04:20.10 | Kyahx | I'll always prefer the source engine, out of pure loyalty to valve :P |
| 04:20.15 | Kyahx | but yes, UE3 is beautiful |
| 04:20.23 | Cidan | TBH though, Tech 5 looks like it might be winrar. |
| 04:20.29 | Cidan | Just from a dev's POV |
| 04:20.38 | Cidan | Hearing John Carmack talk is soooo dreamy |
| 04:20.51 | Rallion | UE3 looks beautiful on very high-end machines, Source looks beautiful on everything |
| 04:21.05 | Kyahx | and source works in wine! (for the most part) :P |
| 04:21.18 | Cidan | John Carmack and Tim Sweeney are like, my heroes. |
| 04:21.45 | Rallion | I ran the FPS test for Lost Coast, which is basically HL2 but prettier...minimum FPS for the test was like 114 |
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| 04:22.06 | Rallion | HL2 + cool lighting effects |
| 04:22.06 | Thunder_Child | more than just that...first time they used HDRL i belive |
| 04:22.10 | Rallion | yes |
| 04:22.19 | sag_ich_nicht | lol, new Atlas is 10 MB big. |
| 04:22.39 | Kyahx | *shrug* its all textures |
| 04:22.45 | Kyahx | who cares |
| 04:23.09 | Thunder_Child | the person that likes to view pretty textured |
| 04:23.15 | Thunder_Child | textures* |
| 04:23.22 | Kyahx | I prefer Atlas still :) |
| 04:23.52 | Rallion | Textures are our lives! |
| 04:24.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i have to clean up my atlas folders |
| 04:24.39 | Rallion | I really like using Cartographer, myself |
| 04:24.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i use atlas and alphamap :P |
| 04:25.02 | Kyahx | I got sick of Cartographer =/ |
| 04:25.08 | N00bZXI | I prefer using alt-tab and opening a website with the instance map |
| 04:25.15 | Rallion | but then I actually use almost all of Cartographer's features... |
| 04:26.28 | Cidan | I too like Cartographer |
| 04:26.46 | sag_ich_nicht | meh, i'll have a look at cartographer when i'm bored |
| 04:27.37 | N00bZXI | http://pastey.net/72525 |
| 04:27.43 | Rallion | i use the waypoint feature a lot...it seemed useless at first, but then I experienced it via Lightheaded, and it was good. |
| 04:27.56 | Thunder_Child | lol "NVIDIA Beta Drivers v163.44 Released just before the BioShock demo, this is a latest NVIDIA driver to update your video card. Highly recommended if you download the demo!" |
| 04:27.56 | cladhaire | meh, don't need cart for waypoints :P |
| 04:28.20 | Rallion | oh, I know |
| 04:28.53 | Rallion | Bah, I hate NVIDIA sometimes...most of the time. |
| 04:29.00 | sag_ich_nicht | all of the time. |
| 04:29.23 | Iriel | Hm, do you like ATI more? |
| 04:29.26 | sag_ich_nicht | at least i found a way to fix fixed aspect ratios for non-native resolutions for 8800 series GPUs |
| 04:29.31 | Iriel | NVIDIA seems least annoying to me |
| 04:30.12 | Rallion | I've had fewer issues with ATI drivers |
| 04:30.18 | Cidan | I like NVIDIA more, ever since my last ATI card LITERALLY bursted into FLAMES inside of my case. |
| 04:30.26 | Rallion | that would be bad |
| 04:30.28 | Cidan | (I have a see-through panel on my case.) |
| 04:30.43 | Rallion | though my card has got to be real close to making real live fire |
| 04:30.46 | Iriel | I've been generally disappointed with the quality of ATI graphics versus NVIDIA |
| 04:30.59 | Cidan | In particular, I dislike ATI's linux support. |
| 04:31.06 | Rallion | My card breaks 160F under load |
| 04:31.07 | Cidan | It upsets me. |
| 04:31.09 | Kyahx | well, that's because it sucks |
| 04:31.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: that's because ATI graphics are only good if you install the omegadriver :P |
| 04:32.11 | Rallion | woo Omega |
| 04:32.14 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Even WITH Omega |
| 04:32.16 | Kyahx | The fact that you need unsupported third party drivers to make full use of your hardware is the sad part |
| 04:32.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: oĂ” |
| 04:32.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Kyahx yes. |
| 04:32.35 | sag_ich_nicht | it's the same with nvidia tho :( |
| 04:32.38 | Kyahx | Not so! |
| 04:32.43 | Kyahx | lol |
| 04:32.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, go look in any 3D forum you want :P |
| 04:33.04 | Cidan | uh |
| 04:33.06 | Cidan | no? |
| 04:33.12 | Cidan | I run my 8800 just fine |
| 04:33.22 | Iriel | Hm so far my 360's winning on BioShock.. time to try some beta drivers |
| 04:33.35 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, so do i. now go try a custom driver Cidan and compare the visual quality, with the same FPS. |
| 04:33.44 | Cidan | Iriel: What's wrong with it? |
| 04:33.55 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht, I have, DNA drivers, etc |
| 04:34.01 | Cidan | it's not that big a diff. |
| 04:34.12 | Cidan | minor at best |
| 04:34.17 | Iriel | Cidan: The textures all seem to be low detail.. it may be my card, or driver, or something else. |
| 04:34.18 | Cidan | achived by hacks |
| 04:34.34 | Iriel | Cidan: No labelling on the plaque in the lighthouse, for example |
| 04:34.41 | Cidan | Really? |
| 04:34.43 | Cidan | Wow |
| 04:34.53 | Cidan | Make sure texture detail is on high? |
| 04:34.56 | Iriel | It is |
| 04:34.59 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 04:35.01 | Cidan | 8800? |
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| 04:35.08 | Iriel | no, 7900 |
| 04:35.10 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 04:35.20 | Cidan | newest driver? |
| 04:35.36 | Iriel | Newest non-beta one.. (Installing beta now) |
| 04:35.39 | Cidan | is the texture just blank? |
| 04:36.06 | Iriel | I may just need a reboot, I was playing WoW earlier, perhaps bioshock didn't initialize the card properly |
| 04:36.16 | Iriel | It's the right color and it's lit right, just no letters |
| 04:36.31 | Cidan | Weird. |
| 04:36.41 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW actually manages to break my 8800GTX |
| 04:36.59 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht, I've heard that from some people, but I've yet to have an issue |
| 04:37.02 | Cidan | runs like a dream |
| 04:37.45 | Rallion | yeah, I run WoW at 60FPS |
| 04:37.50 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht, how? |
| 04:37.53 | Rallion | max settings |
| 04:38.01 | Iriel | WoW used to break my 7900 for a bit between the last few patches, but 2.1.3 fixed all my issues |
| 04:38.07 | Thunder_Child | what res Rallion? |
| 04:38.22 | Rallion | 1280x1024, I have an LCD, so that's as high as I go |
| 04:38.24 | sag_ich_nicht | random graphical tearing(fixed with a /console gxrestart), non standalone-model textures gone(sometimes fixed using a /console gxrestart but not always, and if not fixed, permanent until a reboot) |
| 04:38.40 | Thunder_Child | Rallion, i know..stupid native resolutions |
| 04:38.55 | Rallion | I can live with it...barely. |
| 04:38.59 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht, how often? |
| 04:39.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child sometimes not for days, sometimes 10 times a day. |
| 04:39.41 | Thunder_Child | huh...i have the same card.....never any problems like you describe |
| 04:39.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Asus 8800GTX? |
| 04:39.57 | sag_ich_nicht | or from some other vendor? :P |
| 04:40.03 | Rallion | could it be temp-related? |
| 04:40.08 | Thunder_Child | damn, now i have to use my brain....1 sec |
| 04:40.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child: i guess you haven |
| 04:40.18 | Cidan | Iriel, I'm looking forward to it for the 8800's |
| 04:40.29 | Cidan | I'd really like to try it as I have never done it before. |
| 04:40.35 | sag_ich_nicht | *Thunder_Child: i guess you haven't forced all settings to max details in the driver settings for WoW like i did. |
| 04:40.43 | Iriel | I had massive stability problems with dual 7900's |
| 04:40.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i think it's something in WoWs memory managment code that's faulty, because i get out of memory crashes when i still have ~300 MB RAM left and a ton in the pagefile |
| 04:40.57 | Iriel | But i'm not sure how many were card related, and how many were motherboard RAID related. |
| 04:40.59 | Thunder_Child | i thought i did...what did you do differently? |
| 04:41.07 | cogwheel | i can't even attempt SLI right now... it's totally borked on vista 64 |
| 04:41.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child: what res you use? i use 1680x1050 |
| 04:41.27 | Rallion | I don't think I'll ever be going with SLI...it just seems like such a hack to me |
| 04:41.28 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 04:41.33 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 04:41.39 | sag_ich_nicht | stock cooler? |
| 04:41.44 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 04:41.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Asus? |
| 04:41.47 | N00bZXI | heh, I could buy a sli motherboard and use my second card (with a broken port) |
| 04:41.48 | Cidan | My biggest worry is power drain |
| 04:41.52 | Cidan | I think I'll need a new PSU |
| 04:41.53 | Thunder_Child | that i am still checking |
| 04:42.07 | N00bZXI | but vista x64 sli doesn't really work |
| 04:42.12 | sag_ich_nicht | <--Enermax Galaxy 1kW PSU |
| 04:42.14 | cogwheel | Rallion: the only hackish thing, imo, is the fact that the textures have to be duplicated on each card... other than that, it's not much different than having a multi-core processor |
| 04:42.34 | Thunder_Child | EVGA |
| 04:42.49 | sag_ich_nicht | might be just that that makes the difference, Thunder_Child |
| 04:42.51 | Thunder_Child | but stovk nvidia drivers |
| 04:42.54 | Thunder_Child | stock* |
| 04:42.59 | Thunder_Child | might be |
| 04:43.09 | Thunder_Child | though asus is a damn good company |
| 04:43.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i can have an actually power FAILURE and the PC will still run for like 10 seconds WITHOUT an UPS. |
| 04:43.22 | Rallion | whoa |
| 04:43.34 | sag_ich_nicht | it's sick |
| 04:43.38 | cogwheel | mmm... dem's some big capacitors |
| 04:43.41 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Under load, or when idle? |
| 04:43.54 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: The power drain difference on mine between 'resting' and 'doing 3d graphics' is scary |
| 04:44.08 | Kyahx | Im *highly* disapointed in SLI =/ |
| 04:44.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: without 3D running, never had it happen with 3D running, and i won't try. would probably last like ~2 seconds max :O |
| 04:44.41 | Kyahx | I've got two 7600GTs -- the difference isn't enough to justify the second card |
| 04:44.45 | Iriel | Kyahx: That was my first experience 8-( |
| 04:44.52 | Kyahx | should have gone for a bigger single card |
| 04:44.57 | Iriel | Kyahx: Ditto 8-( |
| 04:45.12 | Iriel | though I suppose it's good to have a back-up |
| 04:45.20 | Iriel | In case mine catches fire, or something |
| 04:45.24 | Kyahx | lol |
| 04:45.29 | sag_ich_nicht | [06:43] <cogwheel> mmm... dem's some big capacitors <--well, i have this tower: http://www.lian-li.com/product/product06.php?pr_index=28&cl_index=1&sc_index=2&ss_index=6&type=b |
| 04:45.30 | Kyahx | Well, I think half my problem is linux |
| 04:45.33 | sag_ich_nicht | and the PSU barely fits in it |
| 04:46.01 | sag_ich_nicht | it took me about ~20 minutes to get the cables squeezed in in a way that wouldn't break them and allowed the PSU to fit |
| 04:46.09 | Kyahx | The gap between windows and wine profrmace with two cards is a bit bigger than a single card, but its still a matter of like 15fps tops for me |
| 04:46.32 | Cidan | :( |
| 04:46.36 | Cidan | fire is not fun |
| 04:46.42 | sag_ich_nicht | and that is one friggin HUGE tower, as you can see/read. D: |
| 04:46.43 | cogwheel | doesn't it also depend a bit on the game? |
| 04:46.59 | Cidan | it wasn't just fire, it was sparks and jumping arcs of electricity |
| 04:47.12 | Cidan | worst ATI card every |
| 04:47.15 | Cidan | er, ever |
| 04:47.54 | sag_ich_nicht | won't get the full memory controller bandwidth, but wth :D |
| 04:48.06 | Iriel | Beta drivers and reboot later, my textures are back |
| 04:48.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: are there beta driver release notes available? |
| 04:48.28 | Thunder_Child | i guess their suggestion works |
| 04:49.04 | Cidan | Fun |
| 04:49.21 | Cidan | Intel is waiting for AMD to release their new CPU's |
| 04:49.33 | Cidan | so they can release their new-er CPU's at the same time |
| 04:49.36 | Cidan | which are better. |
| 04:49.51 | Cidan | AMD is going to fall behind again, :x |
| 04:50.11 | Cidan | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/08/20/1611202.shtml |
| 04:50.36 | AnduinLothar | lolz 45nm wins |
| 04:50.48 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Not easily found, perhaps in the installer |
| 04:51.47 | sag_ich_nicht | except no, not. because they can't do the same thing that AMD did to optimize their CPUs because of patents, and because they haven't reverse engineered them yet. Intel only wins because they go smaller again, but they don't add any new features to the CPU, and the new AMD FPU will beat the Intel FPU still, which is important to me :P |
| 04:51.52 | sag_ich_nicht | faster video encoding :O |
| 04:52.53 | Cidan | Where have you seen AMD's FPU is better? |
| 04:53.13 | sag_ich_nicht | haven't you read? :O |
| 04:53.18 | Cidan | Not questioning you, just interested in seeing results |
| 04:54.07 | sag_ich_nicht | uh, it was at extremetech i think |
| 04:54.08 | sag_ich_nicht | not sure |
| 04:55.53 | sag_ich_nicht | +even if the new intel CPUs happen to be better even in that direction, i'll stick with AMD because Intel is making me sick with their drivers. 8/10 of my driver problems came from Intel hardware :( |
| 04:56.26 | Cidan | Each Voyager logs approximately 1 million miles per day. <--- holy crap |
| 04:56.30 | Cidan | 1 million miles a day? |
| 04:56.39 | Cidan | :o |
| 04:56.41 | sag_ich_nicht | and accelerating :O |
| 04:56.51 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 04:57.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot |
| 04:58.58 | Cidan | just wow |
| 04:59.02 | Cidan | one day |
| 04:59.09 | Cidan | we will explore out there |
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| 04:59.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: now read the text that Carl Sagan wrote about that picture(it's quoted in the article) :P |
| 05:02.59 | Cidan | nice |
| 05:03.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | stuff like that makes me sad :[ |
| 05:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything we've ever known, ever done, has taken place in such a small small portion of the universe |
| 05:04.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a mindfuck |
| 05:05.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 which is exactly the point. |
| 05:05.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's similar to the h.p. lovecraft stuff but it's even more depressing because it's true :( |
| 05:05.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the long run, nothing matters at all |
| 05:05.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't find it depressing, i find it amazing :O |
| 05:06.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it really gets you to start thinking |
| 05:06.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 here, to cheer you up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble |
| 05:07.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if we're descended from a colony from another planet, ala trigun and stuff? we'll never really know the origins of life :[ |
| 05:07.46 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 05:07.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd hate to have to use an anime as a reference for something that amazing |
| 05:07.46 | Cidan | so use Stargate |
| 05:07.47 | Cidan | :P |
| 05:07.59 | sag_ich_nicht | ...turn that damn script of Mr_Rabies |
| 05:08.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | nevar |
| 05:08.11 | sag_ich_nicht | *off |
| 05:08.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is a relic of slapfights in years past |
| 05:08.20 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, because if we are decended from another colony at least the self imolation of our world wont be the end |
| 05:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | an ancient weapon, used in a more civilized age |
| 05:08.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but we'll never know if we are |
| 05:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just that freaking huge |
| 05:09.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | for example, in trigun, earth had all its resources used up, so they sent out a bunch of colony ships with embryos and a small crew on them |
| 05:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the colony ship crashed, the crew died, and the few survivors populated a whole new planet |
| 05:09.38 | Thunder_Child | doesnt matter, truth defined by what we know, it doesnt mean it cant exist without us |
| 05:09.58 | Thunder_Child | s/truth/truth is/ |
| 05:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus, this song isn't helping things |
| 05:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://palebluedotquote.ytmnd.com/ |
| 05:12.45 | sag_ich_nicht | god, where is it |
| 05:13.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i try not to think about how little anyone's life matters, it's just too depressing being the only species we know that carries the burden of knowing how insignificant we are |
| 05:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | curse you, complex brain |
| 05:13.45 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: the dolphins are trying to warn us, they know |
| 05:13.49 | bleeter | and the mice |
| 05:13.52 | N00bZXI | I don't think it's depressing |
| 05:14.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything that anyone could ever do means absolutely nothing on the cosmic scale |
| 05:14.52 | N00bZXI | Yes, but everything everyone does pushes us one tiny step to being closer to that. |
| 05:15.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | to what? |
| 05:15.19 | N00bZXI | To being more significant |
| 05:15.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'll be long dead before anything significant happens |
| 05:16.22 | bleeter | only thing significant, on any cosmic scale, are those who've done stuff like sponsored planetary.org and got their names on space probes |
| 05:16.44 | bleeter | which is pretty insignificant, just not totally |
| 05:17.24 | N00bZXI | So? No matter how insignificant what we do is still something. |
| 05:17.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2: statistically seen, we should have a Strong AI by 2016 |
| 05:18.14 | bleeter | universe is near to infinite makes no odds. population of earth, finite number. infinity divided by finite number is pretty much 0, hence nothing significant will ever happen anyway ;) |
| 05:18.20 | bleeter | to paraphrase mr adams |
| 05:18.29 | Shirik | mr adams was a wise man |
| 05:18.46 | sag_ich_nicht | WRONG |
| 05:18.52 | sag_ich_nicht | universe=infinite |
| 05:18.52 | Shirik | though I hated his term "pretty much zero" |
| 05:18.55 | Shirik | it /is/ zero |
| 05:19.01 | sag_ich_nicht | number of atoms in the universe=finite |
| 05:19.04 | sag_ich_nicht | know your damn science. |
| 05:19.16 | Shirik | this isn't science, it's Hitchhiker's Guide |
| 05:19.16 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 05:19.19 | Shirik | chill |
| 05:19.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you shift your perspective to the cosmic scale, there's no difference between hitler, stalin, mao, and mother theresa, it's just a couple animals with a self-appointed sense of intelligence bickering on a planet that is equivalent to an atom in the grand sceme of things :( |
| 05:19.43 | bleeter | there's reneewed debate about the omniverse concept, so I'm keeping out of the finite/infinite stuff |
| 05:19.54 | N00bZXI | Yet it's still something. |
| 05:20.07 | N00bZXI | No matter how close to zero it may be it's not zero. |
| 05:20.12 | Shirik | but that's just it |
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| 05:20.14 | Shirik | it /is/ zero |
| 05:20.17 | Shirik | it's not "close to zero" |
| 05:20.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything is something |
| 05:20.29 | Shirik | inf/n, where n is an element of real numbers, is zero |
| 05:20.30 | Shirik | period |
| 05:20.35 | Shirik | er |
| 05:20.37 | sag_ich_nicht | afk |
| 05:20.37 | Shirik | n/inf |
| 05:20.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no true "zero", just incredibly incredibly small values |
| 05:20.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | zero's just a concept |
| 05:20.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | something can't be zero atoms |
| 05:20.49 | Shirik | I |
| 05:20.56 | Shirik | sure there can |
| 05:21.08 | Chaotic_D | I don't know that Earth is so insignificant. It's the only planet WE know of with life! |
| 05:21.18 | Cidan | zero is like black |
| 05:21.18 | Shirik | The total number of atoms that have more than 5000 protrons |
| 05:21.19 | Shirik | zero |
| 05:21.26 | N00bZXI | We don't know that it's infinite. If it is, we won't have any way of knowing. |
| 05:21.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | zero's just a concept that was invented to say "i currently legally do not possess any apples, ug" |
| 05:21.38 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:21.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's big enough |
| 05:21.47 | Cidan | zero is like black |
| 05:21.51 | Cidan | it's the absence of color. |
| 05:21.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | who knows, we may pop out the other side, Atari 2600 style |
| 05:21.53 | N00bZXI | Also, isn't infinity defined to be a direction, not a destination? |
| 05:21.54 | Shirik | but yes, for any non-counting sense, I would argue 0 does not exist |
| 05:21.55 | Chaotic_D | maybe as far as how much space we take up in the universe, but personally I think the universe without life isn't much fun. :> |
| 05:22.03 | Shirik | N00bZXI: Talk to the math gods, not me |
| 05:22.05 | Shirik | I just listen to them |
| 05:22.10 | Shirik | and follow their will |
| 05:22.16 | bleeter | and that there's a chance there are other universes, makes this conversation/topic etc. even more weird/pointless etc. |
| 05:22.23 | Shirik | and they said 4/0 is infinity, and infinity/4 is zero, so I follow them |
| 05:23.01 | Shirik | actually for the record |
| 05:23.04 | Shirik | 4/0 is +/- infinity |
| 05:23.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hurts my brain |
| 05:23.06 | Shirik | but who cares |
| 05:23.25 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: according to the above math, you don't have a brain to hurt ;) :P |
| 05:23.36 | Shirik | truth. |
| 05:23.40 | bleeter | gnight clad|sleep |
| 05:23.41 | Shirik | night clad|sleep |
| 05:23.47 | N00bZXI | night clad|sleep |
| 05:23.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather not think about this stuff like a smart little primate before i break something in my primitive head |
| 05:24.06 | bleeter | the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys! |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | but we must be careful, we're coming dangerously close to understanding the meaning of the universe |
| 05:24.18 | Shirik | which will cause it to cease to exist |
| 05:24.54 | Cidan | in what twisted theory-craft have you been spending your time doing your studies, shirik? |
| 05:25.27 | Shirik | have you never read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? |
| 05:25.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've read pieces of it |
| 05:25.36 | Cidan | like 80 times, :P |
| 05:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been meaning to |
| 05:25.42 | Shirik | then you should know this stuff! |
| 05:25.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm getting lazy when it comes to reading |
| 05:25.50 | bleeter | it's a lot more fun to listen to the radio drama, on random ;) |
| 05:25.50 | Cidan | I should? |
| 05:25.50 | Shirik | This is the book upon which all my classes are based |
| 05:25.53 | Thunder_Child | 42! |
| 05:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't really read a novel since my senior year in high school |
| 05:25.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that really makes me mad |
| 05:26.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can't sit down and read anymore |
| 05:26.04 | bleeter | whatdoyougetifyoumultiplysixbynine |
| 05:26.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather play WoW or my 360 than read :[ |
| 05:26.39 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: get the radio show, and listen while playing ;) |
| 05:26.40 | Cidan | Mr_Rabies2, you make me weap inside. |
| 05:26.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like reading, but it's time consuming |
| 05:26.44 | bleeter | s/show/drama/ |
| 05:26.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've listened to the radio show, bleeter |
| 05:26.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of it |
| 05:26.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and saw some of the tv show |
| 05:27.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really really like douglas adam's logic |
| 05:27.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | adams'* |
| 05:28.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw the movie too |
| 05:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i thoroughly enjoyed, despite the fanboy hate |
| 05:28.22 | bleeter | I'm quite fond of his 'Meaning of Liff' book |
| 05:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i plan on getting the bible edition |
| 05:28.41 | Shirik | btw Cidan |
| 05:28.43 | Shirik | why aren't you asleep |
| 05:28.46 | Shirik | Nancy's going to kill you |
| 05:28.54 | Cidan | not sleepy |
| 05:28.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | golden page edges, all of his books |
| 05:29.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend has this version |
| 05:29.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i plan on getting it and keeping it next to my bible and qu'ran |
| 05:29.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to get around to reading those, too |
| 05:30.21 | Chaotic_D | Dune's a good series. |
| 05:30.24 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:30.25 | Shirik | that's the one I have |
| 05:30.31 | Shirik | The Ultimate Hitchiker's Guide |
| 05:30.35 | Shirik | is what it's called :) |
| 05:30.38 | Chaotic_D | I gotta buy a set of those books. |
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| 05:31.42 | Chaotic_D | so even though no one visits me, I could look intelligent. ;> |
| 05:31.57 | AnduinLothar | i want one with video pages |
| 05:32.14 | Chaotic_D | video pages are reserved for Myst books. |
| 05:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll be possible in about 10 years i'd say |
| 05:32.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 05:32.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's technically possible now |
| 05:32.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but economically feasible |
| 05:33.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, i'd say the Guide is an extension of wikipedia :O |
| 05:33.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | without all the drama |
| 05:37.45 | bleeter | I'd say that wikipedia is a lameass attempt at rewriting the guide |
| 05:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like a beta version |
| 05:39.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying to iron out all the kinks, but the stupid denizens of the internet are breaking things arguing over how important having an article on optimus prime is |
| 05:40.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't understand the "this isn't important, there shouldn't be an article on it" rule |
| 05:40.14 | Kaydeethree | meh... if anyone remembers how I said I had 50-some-odd tabs open in fx, it's gotten worse. I may not be going to sleep tonight |
| 05:40.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kaydeethree, once i accidentally hit "open all in tabs" on my bookmark list |
| 05:40.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | that...wasn't pretty |
| 05:40.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | about 500 tabs opened |
| 05:40.44 | Kaydeethree | gack |
| 05:40.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but firefox still worked like a champ |
| 05:40.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | after i let it load |
| 05:44.21 | Cidan | guess I should go to bed |
| 05:44.46 | Corrodias | wikipedia is a confused soul |
| 05:45.27 | Corrodias | from what i understand, the owner's vision would make it useful, but not anywhere nearly as useful as it could be |
| 05:45.46 | Corrodias | (that is, cataloguing information from published sources) |
| 05:47.37 | bleeter | thing is, when you have an infinite number of monkeys, they don't create the works of shakespear |
| 05:47.46 | bleeter | they create an infinite amount of jibberish |
| 05:49.33 | Corrodias | you seem to be making an analogy by comparing people who write about cultural icons to be monkeys who can't write anything coherent |
| 05:49.48 | Corrodias | i snuck an extra "be" in there |
| 05:50.04 | bleeter | you seem to be saying that the analogy is wrong |
| 05:50.21 | Corrodias | i certainly believe it to be |
| 05:51.17 | bleeter | I'm not denying that there may be some meaningful stuff created; just putting forward the proposition that there'll be an infinite amount of jibberish. see about re: finite/infinite divisions and why there's nothing meaningful on wikipedia, nor will there ever be ;) |
| 05:51.40 | bleeter | erm s/about/above/ |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | / |
| 05:52.38 | Shirik | s/\//\/\// |
| 05:52.39 | Corrodias | i think i understand more about the situation than i used to, though. specialized wikis about individual subjects are far more powerful for subjects with any depth than wikipedia |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | hrm |
| 05:52.49 | Shirik | I don't like that limitation purl! |
| 05:53.00 | Corrodias | it's there to gather general, shallow knowledge about encyclopedia topics |
| 05:53.10 | Shirik | I agree |
| 05:53.23 | Shirik | But wikipedia is good for things like |
| 05:53.24 | N00bZXI | Question: Why does this break if duration is zero? http://pastey.net/72526 |
| 05:53.29 | Shirik | you forget something |
| 05:53.29 | N00bZXI | I must be seriously missing something |
| 05:53.34 | Shirik | go to it for reference |
| 05:53.38 | Shirik | or want a general idea of what something is |
| 05:53.38 | Corrodias | wowwiki being an example: good information, not the wikipedia sort |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | for example, forget which transistors are NPN and which is PNP? Wikipedia has the answer |
| 05:54.13 | Corrodias | ah, there you go |
| 05:54.26 | bleeter | amongst many other sources |
| 05:54.33 | Corrodias | ah yes, but with wikipedia, at any time you can have twelve people arguing about the answer, which is progress. |
| 05:54.46 | Corrodias | or hopefully creates progress, anyway |
| 05:54.55 | Corrodias | i should speak accurately |
| 05:54.57 | Chaotic_D | I gotta find a wiki about the cycle of life so I can figure out what the hell happens to animal products, since it seems to be so bad as plant fertilizer. what the hell happens to animals if they create nothing but poison for the ground? |
| 05:54.59 | Corrodias | no, precisely |
| 05:55.01 | N00bZXI | I should say this: http://pastey.net/72527 |
| 05:55.12 | Shirik | N00bZXI: 0 < 60? |
| 05:55.14 | Shirik | which it is |
| 05:55.27 | Shirik | I think you meant "if (foo and bar) or baz |
| 05:55.32 | Shirik | not "if foo or bar or baz" |
| 05:55.39 | Corrodias | the ground itself is not alive and cannot be poisoned, but i suspect you mean that animal matter damages plants? |
| 05:55.53 | Chaotic_D | yeah. |
| 05:55.54 | N00bZXI | Well that would work except either foo or bar can be nil |
| 05:55.56 | Corrodias | i'm not fully sure; bacteria and other organisms feed on carcasses |
| 05:56.00 | Shirik | er |
| 05:56.03 | Corrodias | i don't know what happens to them |
| 05:56.12 | Shirik | let me give you an exact meaning |
| 05:56.24 | Shirik | but to directly answer your question |
| 05:56.27 | Shirik | because the second component is true |
| 05:56.29 | Shirik | 0 is less than 60 |
| 05:56.36 | Chaotic_D | yeah. they just tell you "don't compost animal products, because it doesn't compost" (or rather, it doesn't make good plant compost) so you have to throw it out or flush it. |
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| 05:57.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 05:57.09 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain this is what you meant http://pastey.net/72528 |
| 05:57.15 | Corrodias | i think that depends on what you do with it. i saw an episode of Dirty Jobs that featured a business based largely on composting turkeys |
| 05:57.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had 3 cups of coffee and i'm ready to gogogo |
| 05:57.39 | Corrodias | rabies: now is the time to join me in the horde! |
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| 05:57.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got 4 cups of espresso for dilution purposes for tomorrow too |
| 05:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | (make espresso using my aeropress, put it in some tupperware and refridgerate it, pour a bit in a cup, and fill the cup with hot water, bam, instant americano |
| 05:58.45 | N00bZXI | What I'd like it to do is not break if duration is under min, or above max |
| 05:58.55 | N00bZXI | wait |
| 05:59.04 | N00bZXI | (duration>min and duration<max) |
| 05:59.10 | N00bZXI | I need sleep :\ |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | exactly :) |
| 05:59.41 | Corrodias | not break if it's outside the range |
| 05:59.59 | Chaotic_D | animal product composting just hasn't been looked at here... it's like... music box manufacturing. you know, it's impossible to find information on how you get the right note when making the fork? like what material and measurements. it's a trade secret. |
| 06:00.45 | Iriel | I would think instrument manufacture is fairly well understood AND documented |
| 06:00.47 | Chaotic_D | there's also not a lot of demand for that information. not a lot of amateur music box maker enthusiasts. :> |
| 06:00.57 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm at wok :O |
| 06:00.59 | Iriel | You'd be surprised. |
| 06:01.00 | sag_ich_nicht | *work |
| 06:01.25 | Corrodias | the way it's written is that you're breaking if it's outside the range. i think. |
| 06:01.54 | Shirik | eh, I just took his code and changed an or to and and |
| 06:02.00 | Shirik | s/to and/to an/ |
| 06:02.03 | Chaotic_D | I searched. I think more recently I found an expired mailing list where they talked about it, but no one really had info on tuning the fork. I guess you're supposed to learn it on your own. |
| 06:02.08 | Corrodias | andorandorandorandor |
| 06:02.10 | Shirik | Maybe it needs a not |
| 06:02.18 | Shirik | but the same general problem exists |
| 06:02.22 | Shirik | that or needed to be an and |
| 06:02.28 | Wobin | Americano =( |
| 06:03.14 | Chaotic_D | because long long ago I wanted to make customized music boxes. (I realize now that what I had in mind had very limited commercial prospects, since I wanted to do music from video games, which would require expensive licensing, and likely large production numbers and investment costs) |
| 06:04.25 | Chaotic_D | I still want those music boxes. there are a few VERY lovely songs that would actually be perfect as a music box piece. |
| 06:04.46 | Iriel | Chaotic_D: It should just be the standard physics rules for length and frequency, though cutting it precisely would take a lot of time. |
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| 06:05.34 | Chaotic_D | don't different materials have a different note at those measurements? |
| 06:05.37 | bleeter | Chaotic_D: watchmaking is a profession that's basically collapsed in the past 20 years, that would've been the area that knew ;) |
| 06:06.14 | Chaotic_D | maybe for the mechanical parts, but you can buy those pretty cheaply. they're fairly simple. |
| 06:07.00 | Chaotic_D | I DID find a company that manufactured custom music boxes. I think that included a custom fork... but it was expensive. |
| 06:07.00 | bleeter | different materials produce different notes and timbres at a given length, but yeah it's still pretty much physics |
| 06:07.24 | Chaotic_D | yeah. I had no idea how to search for that kind of info. :> |
| 06:07.34 | bleeter | and it's the watchmakers who'd have had the small tools to create the items |
| 06:07.55 | Chaotic_D | hrm. I suppose so... |
| 06:08.05 | Corrodias | maybe you should go to switzerland and threaten somebody to teach it to you |
| 06:08.28 | bleeter | a soft metal is easier to get low tones out of, 'coz it bends more and create low frequencies easier, etc. |
| 06:09.42 | bleeter | but then one has to be concerned about mad stuff like humidity, and how that'll effect the metal's ability to bend, etc. |
| 06:11.02 | Shirik | and.... night |
| 06:11.08 | bleeter | gnight Shirik|zZz |
| 06:11.21 | Shirik|zZz | 600g was my goal for tonight, hit it and then some |
| 06:11.28 | Shirik|zZz | tomorrow I shall have a flying mount |
| 06:11.31 | Shirik|zZz | finally |
| 06:15.41 | |Jelly| | Does the zZz after your name mean nothing?! :P |
| 06:16.03 | Wobin | no respect for labels |
| 06:16.06 | haste | he's very tired. |
| 06:16.36 | Chaotic_D | he's grinding log sawwing. |
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| 06:30.37 | Nom- | I made 150g in 9 dailies last night |
| 06:30.46 | Nom- | Netherwing dailies rock big time once you hit friendly |
| 06:31.02 | Nom- | Especially as a protadin...sooooo easy |
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| 06:59.12 | Thunder_Child | i dont think i would pay more than $10 for bioshock |
| 06:59.56 | Thunder_Child | best thing about it....it made me update my video drivers |
| 07:03.32 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 07:03.38 | |Jelly| | 60% |
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| 07:14.54 | AnduinLothar | anyone got an old mac os 9 machine handy? |
| 07:15.40 | bleeter | kinda, @ a mate's place 20km away |
| 07:15.59 | AnduinLothar | is he online? |
| 07:16.18 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: if you're after info about the OS/out of a machine, I could probably get it for you... for testing stuff, prolly not |
| 07:16.32 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: not IRC |
| 07:16.50 | bleeter | YIM and MSN, yeah... (why the two worst IM protocols, no idea) |
| 07:17.16 | AnduinLothar | i need someone to bootleg me the comp's ROM. I used to own ooone but it's long gone. |
| 07:17.24 | AnduinLothar | and i need the rom to emulate it |
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| 07:18.24 | bleeter | aye, yeah... that kinda stuff no can do sorry. |
| 07:18.27 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 07:18.48 | bleeter | I do mean 'can't' not 'won't' |
| 07:19.21 | AnduinLothar | no worries. i was mainly trying to run an old Diablo2 hack |
| 07:19.43 | AnduinLothar | but i can prolly just install on my windows emu, hack that and then transfer the char file |
| 07:20.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 07:20.51 | bleeter | don't have any means of ripping ROM, and the machine as a buggy OpenFirmware anyways |
| 07:21.11 | AnduinLothar | if the machine has internet i have a link to the rom ripper |
| 07:21.23 | AnduinLothar | or transfer manually |
| 07:21.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowmaster or something? |
| 07:21.39 | AnduinLothar | called RomGrabber |
| 07:24.16 | AnduinLothar | looks like VMWare is no longer free... >.> |
| 07:24.26 | AnduinLothar | got another 30 days eval |
| 07:24.26 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: it never was, however |
| 07:24.35 | AnduinLothar | VMWare Fusion Beta was |
| 07:24.42 | bleeter | yup, just 're-register' for an eval key |
| 07:25.04 | bleeter | I argue over this with a VMWare employee every few months. If they didnt' want that behaviour, they'd turn it off in their website ;) |
| 07:25.45 | Chaotic_D | how can I detect the difference in two quests with the same name? IE: Sarkoth pt.1 and Sarkoth pt.2 (although the "pt.1" isn't in the quest title at all) |
| 07:25.58 | AnduinLothar | no easy way |
| 07:26.14 | AnduinLothar | quest id's are not availible in game |
| 07:26.16 | Chaotic_D | and they're both given by the same NPC. :) |
| 07:26.32 | Chaotic_D | oi vey. |
| 07:26.40 | AnduinLothar | you can md5 the quest text if you just want to tell them apart |
| 07:26.56 | AnduinLothar | there's an md5 lib on wowi |
| 07:27.04 | Chaotic_D | md5? is that where you make it into an in-game unique link? |
| 07:27.34 | AnduinLothar | no no. md5 is a standard for identifying a file by a short string |
| 07:27.50 | Chaotic_D | what's wowi's site? |
| 07:27.56 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 07:27.57 | bleeter | not a good one, but a standard nonetheless |
| 07:28.08 | AnduinLothar | it's good enough for these purposes |
| 07:28.15 | bleeter | Chaotic_D: wowinterface.com, the folks who 'own' this #! |
| 07:28.28 | Chaotic_D | ok, thanks. |
| 07:28.53 | Chaotic_D | still, how would md5 help? the quests aren't files. |
| 07:29.09 | AnduinLothar | feed the quest text to the md5 |
| 07:29.15 | AnduinLothar | it just takes a string |
| 07:29.23 | AnduinLothar | since there are no files in wow |
| 07:29.47 | AnduinLothar | and you'll get back a 'unique' string like 75eb406146a51291ff5014a36966d2a8 which you can store |
| 07:29.55 | AnduinLothar | and compare to other quests with the same name |
| 07:30.07 | Chaotic_D | you think somehow the string will be unique even though the text appears to be the same? |
| 07:30.23 | AnduinLothar | is the quest text identical? |
| 07:30.40 | Chaotic_D | I guess it's worth a try. if not, it'll have to check that the last quest was completed and then decide this is part 2. |
| 07:30.46 | AnduinLothar | if so it should give you the same md5, which wont help you |
| 07:31.12 | Chaotic_D | oho. there's an idea. the quest description. thanks again. :) |
| 07:31.40 | bleeter | I think that's what AnduinLothar was referring to, rather than quest title ;) |
| 07:31.51 | Chaotic_D | I missed that. |
| 07:32.10 | Chaotic_D | I made the wrong word association. |
| 07:32.48 | Chaotic_D | Do you know if Tekkub comes in here? |
| 07:33.20 | Thrae | ~seen Tekkub |
| 07:33.22 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowhead #wowwiki, last said: 'dotdotdot'. |
| 07:33.23 | bleeter | I beleive from time to time, just not atm |
| 07:33.47 | bleeter | more likely to be in #wowwiki or @dongle, though |
| 07:33.57 | bleeter | s/\@/\#/ |
| 07:34.43 | Chaotic_D | thanks. hrm, but it's late. |
| 07:34.45 | bleeter | given that tekkub is admin on those #'s |
| 07:34.57 | Chaotic_D | oh, I see. |
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| 08:01.05 | bleeter | hmm, no http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert for tonight, I presume we're not even getting rolling restarts |
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| 08:07.52 | |Jelly| | I think the UI forum people at night are a little too touchy. : / |
| 08:08.40 | |Jelly| | (that includes me :P) |
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| 08:12.54 | bleeter | |Jelly|: which bit? |
| 08:13.01 | |Jelly| | Wha? |
| 08:13.10 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134196873&sid=1 that dude |
| 08:13.40 | |Jelly| | The funny part is...the question's already been answered...he's just arguing with me because he a) didn't see it b) didn't try it and wrote it off. |
| 08:13.55 | bleeter | (General Forum warning) |
| 08:14.19 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 08:14.24 | |Jelly| | I love the warning you give. |
| 08:14.48 | Punkie` | man stop linking threads without that &sid=1 ! |
| 08:16.54 | |Jelly| | *laughs at the retard posting the same question again* |
| 08:17.58 | Punkie` | bleeter: I'm from the EU, so without the site ID it will just point me to 'Welcome to World of Warcraft Forums' |
| 08:19.15 | bleeter | Punkie`: ahhh, that's what the &sid is for, rightio! thanks for letting me know, I'll always add it in from now and you can publically beat me around the head with fish of your choice if I fail to do so :D |
| 08:19.53 | Punkie` | Just as well, I have a good selection of beating fishes too :D |
| 08:19.54 | |Jelly| | ~whaleslap bleeter |
| 08:19.55 | purl | ACTION beats bleeter upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 08:20.08 | bleeter | whale's aren't fish, silly! :P |
| 08:20.10 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 08:20.10 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 08:20.13 | bleeter | ~troutslap |Jelly| |
| 08:20.14 | purl | ACTION slaps |Jelly| around with a large trout |
| 08:20.16 | Thunder_Child | hands off the fish |
| 08:20.26 | |Jelly| | *cries* |
| 08:20.27 | Thunder_Child | PUT DOWN THE FISH! |
| 08:25.45 | |Jelly| | Which one of you is Blorb? |
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| 08:27.13 | bleeter | hmm, can anyone see any references to maintainance apart from http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712009431&sid=1&pageNo=2 ? |
| 08:27.20 | bleeter | I'm either blind, stupid, or both |
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| 08:28.38 | Thunder_Child | no..nor does it show up when loading up wow |
| 08:30.05 | Punkie` | If I do: startmoney = GetMoney() then later in the function endmoney = GetMoney() and then do endmoney - startmoney will I return money gained if I have recieved money in between those 2, or will it just return 0 |
| 08:30.44 | bleeter | heh, guildie's about to file a GM ticket asking ;) |
| 08:31.04 | Kaso | Punkie` of course it will return the money you have gained |
| 08:31.20 | Punkie` | just checking! |
| 08:31.41 | Kaso | hehe |
| 08:32.09 | Kaso | You store the value of the return not some pointer to whatever that function would return. |
| 08:32.13 | bleeter | hah, told my guildie to file it under player harassment, as I'm gunna harass him in IM 'til he gets a response |
| 08:34.34 | Nom- | My favorite feature of the new guild bank system is the ability to use guild funds when paying for repair costs. A new button will appear on all repair NPCs and repair-bots. This function can also be set by the guild leader to work for only certain ranks within the organization. |
| 08:34.39 | Nom- | wowzers! |
| 08:34.46 | |Jelly| | LUA |
| 08:34.51 | |Jelly| | damn |
| 08:39.43 | Punkie` | Why should people not have to pay for their own repairs? :P |
| 08:41.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 08:41.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | this darkrune quest is infuriating |
| 08:41.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | why can't it be 100% of the time so we have a chance to learn it :[ |
| 08:42.33 | MoonWolf | Punkie`, some people might want to share repaircosts from an instance. but either way, you don't have to use it. |
| 08:43.57 | Thunder_Child | Punkie`, mostly for the MT/OT, as no one else is taking repair damage on a consistant basis |
| 08:44.07 | Thunder_Child | err...damage |
| 08:44.16 | Thunder_Child | dur...brain not work |
| 08:45.01 | zenzelezz | tell that to my guild |
| 08:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | no one should be |
| 08:45.16 | zenzelezz | we have a few healers and one rogue that dies on like every other trash pull |
| 08:45.16 | Thunder_Child | wipes are not included |
| 08:45.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | except the MT and OT |
| 08:45.31 | Thunder_Child | stupidity is not covered by the guild |
| 08:45.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and occasionally rogues |
| 08:45.36 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 08:45.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and feral droods |
| 08:45.38 | zenzelezz | true |
| 08:45.40 | Thunder_Child | need to have that inscribed somewhere |
| 08:45.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | since you can still get cleaved in bad situations |
| 08:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | no matter how you try |
| 08:46.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | wtf |
| 08:46.18 | Thunder_Child | remember the old saying...if you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen...it applies |
| 08:46.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | my skettis prisoner was gettign attacked by a kaliri |
| 08:46.42 | zenzelezz | to be fair I don't really have a trouble with repair costs as an MT. Sure mine are higher than many others', but they use reagents and potions in a larger degree |
| 08:47.11 | Thunder_Child | but they shouldnt be paying for them either |
| 08:47.18 | Thunder_Child | not in a raid |
| 08:47.25 | zenzelezz | depends on guild policy |
| 08:47.34 | zenzelezz | if they don't then I see your point on the repairs |
| 08:49.02 | Thunder_Child | even if they do have to bring their own....if they have to use 30-50g worth of pots....something may be a tad wrong |
| 08:49.38 | |Jelly| | Can someone sum up this conversation for me? I'd rather not read it all from the start and i'm interested. :P |
| 08:49.42 | zenzelezz | in a good raid I don't spend more than 20g on repairs |
| 08:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1460 ogrila rep doing all the dailies, 1630 skyguard rep |
| 08:50.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmm |
| 08:50.08 | Thunder_Child | thats w/o wipeing i presume |
| 08:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz, i spend twice that in 5mans :/ |
| 08:50.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | in raids, usually 30-40 |
| 08:50.19 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, L2Read lazy ass |
| 08:50.23 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: like I said, on a good night ;) |
| 08:50.39 | |Jelly| | Thunder_Child: NO! L2SUMMARY |
| 08:50.47 | Thunder_Child | summerize you mean? |
| 08:50.54 | |Jelly| | I said what I meant. |
| 08:50.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | summarize |
| 08:50.56 | Thunder_Child | or however it's spelled |
| 08:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | you mean |
| 08:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 08:51.01 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: guild banks can be set to let certain guild ranks use guild bank money on repairs |
| 08:51.33 | Thunder_Child | does the repair work for indaviduals as well? |
| 08:51.33 | |Jelly| | Good policy IMO considering all the shit that's DE'd, I haven't seen anything come of it. lol |
| 08:51.53 | Thunder_Child | i know the "dipping" into the bank has that |
| 08:52.19 | zenzelezz | the only guild bank orders I see trickling in on our guild's order forum is rogues (and a pala) wanting void crystals for Mongoose |
| 08:52.44 | nevcairiel | pala with mongoose? |
| 08:52.45 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:52.53 | bleeter | a winning thread from the general forum -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712408051&sid=1 |
| 08:52.53 | zenzelezz | think he was joking, but I'm not sure |
| 08:53.04 | Thunder_Child | no, works for a ret |
| 08:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should let anyone in the guild SEE the bank |
| 08:53.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you know if officers are skimming stuff off the top after it goes in |
| 08:53.31 | Thunder_Child | prolly going to be on armory if i know blizz |
| 08:53.33 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 08:53.52 | nevcairiel | armory would be too much imho |
| 08:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | not much you can do about before they put the stuff in the bank |
| 08:53.56 | nevcairiel | but visible for all members |
| 08:53.59 | nevcairiel | at some npc |
| 08:53.59 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 08:54.39 | Thunder_Child | sticking it up on armory hardly makes it a problem |
| 08:54.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if just guildies can see it |
| 08:54.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 08:55.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no way to do that yet |
| 08:55.04 | Thunder_Child | even if everyone can see it |
| 08:55.09 | zenzelezz | all sorts of accusations could be made if the guild bank money was public |
| 08:55.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | oooh |
| 08:55.20 | Thunder_Child | how so? |
| 08:55.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's actually not a bad idea |
| 08:55.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could see if guilds were buying gold :D |
| 08:55.37 | Thunder_Child | hardly... |
| 08:55.45 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 08:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they have 20000 gold one day, and the next 40k, you may know what's up |
| 08:55.57 | Thunder_Child | prove that it's not donations from guildies |
| 08:55.57 | nevcairiel | every member in my guild pays 40g every 2 weeks |
| 08:56.07 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 08:56.12 | nevcairiel | with like 50 members, that sums up fast |
| 08:56.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't pay jack shit, but i also don't use any guild resources |
| 08:57.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | paying stuff to the bank should reward dkp with a cap if you use dkp, membership fees aren't a great idea |
| 08:57.31 | nevcairiel | someone has to pay the resources |
| 08:57.42 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online actually had the ability to set a guild tax that would be deducted from (online) members every 2 hours or something like that |
| 08:57.45 | nevcairiel | raiding is expensive |
| 08:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for me, but i don't use flasks or anything of that sort |
| 08:58.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd leave if my guild had a fee |
| 08:58.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not that attached |
| 08:59.07 | Thunder_Child | selfish bastard |
| 08:59.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn straight |
| 08:59.14 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 08:59.14 | zenzelezz | I have to agree with Ray |
| 08:59.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | until i wake up with my gems i need in the mail one day |
| 08:59.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got no reason to give my guild anything |
| 08:59.45 | Thunder_Child | "for the good of everyone", isnt such a bad thing |
| 08:59.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't give money to anyone |
| 08:59.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | even close friends |
| 08:59.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i lend em money |
| 09:00.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | with no real terms |
| 09:00.20 | Thunder_Child | i give out stuff left and right....it's only a game, people are more important |
| 09:00.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | just pay me back when you want, even a couple gold a week if you have to |
| 09:01.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do, however do enchants and stuff for mat cost and sometimes even taking a bit off of mat cost |
| 09:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tip well, though |
| 09:01.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tip well in reality also |
| 09:01.59 | Thunder_Child | join the club |
| 09:02.13 | Thunder_Child | although i do go overboard fomr someone with no money |
| 09:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't like giving money for nothing |
| 09:02.21 | zenzelezz | if people don't ask for a tip I give them a fair one; if they ask for one they're not getting a copper more |
| 09:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, zenz |
| 09:02.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | same |
| 09:02.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they ask for one i tend to give them exactly what they mentioned |
| 09:02.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just decline for someone who didn't ask |
| 09:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and tip them for more than the person who did |
| 09:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah, i hold onto my money very strongly |
| 09:05.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't needlessly waste it |
| 09:05.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | if we're sucking for the night i'll mention it, if we continue sucking i'll call it a night |
| 09:05.37 | zenzelezz | I tend to be cheaper than that, I had 5k gold but still farmed the mats for my resistance gear rather than buying it |
| 09:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do that too |
| 09:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got mats for the whole clefthoof set over the course of a week, getting deals here and there |
| 09:06.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never pay market value |
| 09:06.29 | zenzelezz | nice |
| 09:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll wait a week for the market value to drop if i have to |
| 09:07.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i left a guild because they wanted me to go out and pay my hard earned gold on resistance gear |
| 09:07.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | (i only had 100 gold at the time, this was when MC was hot shit) |
| 09:10.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't get that attached to my guild |
| 09:10.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i once helped completely crush one i was in by convincing about 20 other people to leave with me to form a new guild |
| 09:10.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | because no one beyond these 20 or so would listen to instructions in MC |
| 09:11.13 | bleeter | gotta love them types of guilds ... NOT |
| 09:11.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm ruthless when it comes to stupidity and people wanting handouts |
| 09:12.19 | bleeter | do you consider quid-pro-quo a hand out? some seem to, others not |
| 09:12.41 | zenzelezz | Anub'Rekhan was pretty good in that he teached a few of my guildies the importance of keeping yourself alive |
| 09:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | not at all |
| 09:13.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | as long as i agree the services are equal in value |
| 09:14.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, i'll happily give people enchants for free* on the spot if they'll pay me back in a reasonable amount of time, or are willing to help make me something |
| 09:15.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | free being they pay nothing until they've got plenty of cash to part with the price we agree on |
| 09:17.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always got plenty of gold to lend, because i don't needlessly waste it |
| 09:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | give all your gold away and you've got to farm, which is no fun, or be poor because you decided to be a nice guy |
| 09:17.52 | bleeter | heh, yeah, Im pretty similar |
| 09:18.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | at one point i was really really generous with my gold |
| 09:18.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i realized i was saving others from farming and i myself had to instead |
| 09:18.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was basically farming for other people, and decided to change that |
| 09:18.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | even IRL friends, i absolutely refused to GIVE them gold |
| 09:18.59 | bleeter | tailor in guild the other day was kinda almost crying didnt have enough gold to buy epic flight for her alt, and and epic world drop recipe at the same time... I just said 'well, if you'd given me the lager 10 mins ago I when I asked, I prolyl would've loaned you the gold to buy both' |
| 09:19.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd lend them 10g or whatever but expect them to pay it back eventually |
| 09:19.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they did |
| 09:19.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if they paid back 50s whenever they had some to spare |
| 09:19.48 | bleeter | stunned silence in guild ensued, presumably as their eyes ticked over the estimations of how much gold I've got if I could loan out 5kg without thinking too much |
| 09:19.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 09:20.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm at 2500 |
| 09:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | after my 5k |
| 09:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i do not farm |
| 09:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have recently bought a small fortune(for me) in gems and armor though |
| 09:20.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm starting to think about dropping enchanting for alchemy |
| 09:21.00 | zenzelezz | I'm mostly just doing my dailies now for gold |
| 09:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's more money, everyone uses it, and costs FAR less to level |
| 09:21.06 | bleeter | I started saving madly the other week when I decided I'd start levelling the druid and priest alts, not going to be broke when the druid can get eipc flight |
| 09:21.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i did all the non-daily quests |
| 09:21.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | all. |
| 09:21.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | of theml. |
| 09:21.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | except for raid ones |
| 09:21.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm working on those |
| 09:21.36 | bleeter | must level cooking for the new dailies |
| 09:21.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | when are those? |
| 09:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to do that |
| 09:21.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | need to pick up some jaggal clam meat on the cheap and power level that crap |
| 09:22.02 | bleeter | think 2.2, and 2.3 has more, or just 2.2.. unsure precisely |
| 09:22.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i accidentally got exalted with sha'tar yesterday |
| 09:22.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 09:22.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other day |
| 09:22.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i checked my rep randomly and was like 1k away |
| 09:22.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was never really a goal at all |
| 09:23.04 | zenzelezz | I hit exalted with them trying to get the shield from second boss in Botanica |
| 09:23.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with me and thoriumweave cloak from mech |
| 09:23.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the dragonstaff i ended up not using |
| 09:23.39 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 09:23.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | because of some great math by uhh....bleeter? i can't remember who... :[ |
| 09:24.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe shirik or kirkburn, i'm awful remembering stuff like that |
| 09:24.19 | bleeter | item stat math? wouldn't have been me, I steer clear from those discussions |
| 09:24.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | talking about weapon skill and whatnot |
| 09:24.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~log |
| 09:24.54 | purl | log is probably as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 09:24.54 | bleeter | prolly that too, yeah steer clear of them |
| 09:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~logs |
| 09:24.56 | purl | well, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 09:25.22 | bleeter | unless I'm really drunk, in which case I'm more liable to say 'they all suck' or just pick some random response |
| 09:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | agility is the one that makes bees flight out of your nostrils, right |
| 09:27.06 | zenzelezz | looks like it might have been Legorol, at least you two had a discussion about Dragonstaff/Earth Warden |
| 09:27.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably |
| 09:27.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm looking through the logs |
| 09:27.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmm |
| 09:27.43 | zenzelezz | 10th August |
| 09:27.50 | zenzelezz | for me at least |
| 09:27.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks |
| 09:28.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 09:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | legorol |
| 09:28.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | told you i'm bad with remembering names like that |
| 09:30.34 | bleeter | (not an exact string match) |
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| 09:48.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | he may use some kinda irssi type dealio |
| 09:48.12 | zenzelezz | that's cheating! |
| 09:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whichever one lets you basically see irc in a terminal as necessary, but you stay connected |
| 09:49.04 | sag_ich_nicht | might as well be a bouncer |
| 09:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | [bleeter VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux i686 |
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| 10:00.57 | bleeter | happy?! |
| 10:01.19 | bleeter | :P luv all of yaz! yous a herowz! |
| 10:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe if you'd say nice things about us more often |
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| 10:31.43 | bleeter | nevcairiel: not fkn likely :P |
| 10:32.08 | bleeter | s/nevcairiel/Mr_Rabies2/ |
| 10:32.21 | zenzelezz | yes, I can see how you'd confuse those two... |
| 10:33.20 | bleeter | so close on the keyboard, tab compelte makes it so easy |
| 10:39.18 | nevcairiel | and i was wondering how that typo happend |
| 10:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess a haul of 29 terocone in as many minutes isn't too bad |
| 10:39.24 | AnduinLothar | dota turns my brain to mush |
| 10:39.32 | Thunder_Child | except neither of them is a single tab |
| 10:39.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | dun dun DUNNNN |
| 10:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+AnduinLothar> dota players turns my brain to mush |
| 10:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | woops |
| 10:40.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i failed at fixing the sentence other than that |
| 10:40.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well |
| 10:41.01 | AnduinLothar | i played for 3 hrs. and i feel stupider |
| 10:41.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | the average player in those games makes the average wow player look like steve hawking |
| 10:41.49 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 10:41.59 | AnduinLothar | plus you can hear the otherside, which is bad news |
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| 10:42.55 | AnduinLothar | and i suck at macro in that game. the hot keys change for each char |
| 10:43.05 | AnduinLothar | figers get all bent outa shape on some chars |
| 10:43.25 | AnduinLothar | and i can never remember what moves the oponnents have |
| 10:43.52 | AnduinLothar | so i die a lot |
| 10:44.58 | zenzelezz | what's DOTA again? |
| 10:45.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | defense of the ancients |
| 10:45.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | a warcraft 3 map that's pretty fun |
| 10:45.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | unfortunately the players that love it tend to be awful |
| 10:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, racist, vile, hate filled individuals |
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| 10:51.38 | AnduinLothar | 4am nap time |
| 11:17.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dota |
| 11:17.24 | purl | methinks dota is the sum of all fears |
| 11:17.29 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 11:17.33 | sag_ich_nicht | perl, forget dota |
| 11:17.37 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 11:17.38 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 11:17.43 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, forget dota |
| 11:17.43 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: i forgot dota |
| 11:19.10 | zenzelezz | probably all right in this case, but generally you should be careful about removing factoids |
| 11:19.17 | sag_ich_nicht | purl: DotA is Defense of the Ancients, a Warcraft III custom map, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for the Blizzard title Starcraft. http://www.dota-allstars.com/ |
| 11:19.18 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: okay |
| 11:19.37 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 11:19.39 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, forget dota |
| 11:19.39 | purl | i forgot dota, sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:19.53 | sag_ich_nicht | purl: DotA is Defense of the Ancients, a Warcraft III custom map, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for Starcraft. http://www.dota-allstars.com/ |
| 11:19.54 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: okay |
| 11:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 11:20.01 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dota |
| 11:20.02 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, dota is Defense of the Ancients, a Warcraft III custom map, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for Starcraft. http://www.dota-allstars.com/ |
| 11:20.52 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: typing that out over a laggy ssh tunneled remote desktop takes a bit, mkay? |
| 11:22.07 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: all I was saying is you should be cautious about removing or changing factoids unless you're the one that set it in the first place :-p |
| 11:22.48 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 11:27.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i just made the blackest coffee humanly possible |
| 11:28.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i made 8 shots of espresso for later use and put it in a tupperware container to refrigerate and i put it between me and a flourescent light and no light came through |
| 11:29.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | the color didn't change at all when i shined it up to the light |
| 11:30.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought about chugging it but it'd probably kill me |
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| 11:42.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 take a sip. |
| 11:42.58 | sag_ich_nicht | just a tiny one. |
| 11:43.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | cold espresso is about the worst thing i could ever imagine |
| 11:43.44 | sag_ich_nicht | ~clusterheadache |
| 11:43.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 11:44.01 | sag_ich_nicht | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache |
| 11:44.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i beg to differ. |
| 11:49.12 | bleeter | nothing quite like noticing one's contemplating tearing one's eyeballs out, or smashing one's head into a brick wall, to relieve pain |
| 11:49.54 | bleeter | though, truth be told, I've suffered no other forms of major pain apart from clusters, so have nothing to compare it to |
| 11:50.24 | bleeter | 'blowtorch behind the eyeball' is good, but never having tried to put a blowtorch in there, not quite sure if that's appropriate either |
| 11:50.40 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter you suffering from cluster headache? D: |
| 11:51.08 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 11:51.10 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: not at the moment, thankfully... have lost around 5 years full time employment due to it though |
| 11:51.19 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 11:51.20 | zenzelezz | bleeter: well, people use a lot of weird comparisons without actually having tried it. Think of "tastes like shit" |
| 11:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 11:51.30 | bleeter | had only been able to get small part time jobs for quite some time |
| 11:51.36 | sag_ich_nicht | you can compare the taste to the smell of it, zenzelezz |
| 11:51.50 | bleeter | aye, given taste and smell senses are closely related |
| 11:53.04 | bleeter | aye, cluster headaches.. not fun. just when you think you're finally free of them for a while, it's like being hit by a steam train |
| 11:53.16 | bleeter | only heavier, and faster |
| 11:53.28 | bleeter | not that... oh, nm |
| 11:53.39 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: you get 'em too? |
| 11:53.42 | sag_ich_nicht | you been hit by a train bleeter? :O |
| 11:53.43 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 11:53.48 | sag_ich_nicht | thankfully, not |
| 11:54.09 | sag_ich_nicht | but, as i have said before, people may be able to outwit me, but not able to outwiki me :O |
| 11:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i've had my skull cracked, my knee stabbed, my knee dislocated, my wrist kind-of-broken(hard to explain :O), fell on my back from 5 meters height |
| 11:57.26 | sag_ich_nicht | but other than that, nothing major |
| 11:57.27 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 11:57.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~3 brain concussions |
| 11:58.03 | sag_ich_nicht | one with slight memory loss |
| 11:58.12 | sag_ich_nicht | (temporary one) |
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| 12:00.27 | sag_ich_nicht | afk |
| 12:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 12:10.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like making 12g off selling greys |
| 12:10.56 | zenzelezz | O_O |
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| 12:17.39 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: depends where you found those greys |
| 12:19.19 | Punkie` | Nothing like fishing up a vendorfish :p |
| 12:19.43 | bleeter | heh |
| 12:20.04 | Punkie` | Or well, 3 in a row :P |
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| 12:21.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleeter: just wandering around killing stuff while gathering herbs |
| 12:21.49 | bleeter | I do most of my AFK free-gold work mostly from stuff on the AH listed below vendor price |
| 12:22.14 | bleeter | erg, there's a redundancy in there that I ain't gunna bother fixing |
| 12:23.17 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: yeah, that's cool, the 'hmm, the mobs not gunna aggro to me while I grab this node, but to hell with it.. GOTTA DIE!!!' :) |
| 12:23.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know what WoW needs? |
| 12:24.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | a tribes-like voicebinding system for the emotes |
| 12:24.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i can type vgh for /wave and stuff |
| 12:24.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | voice->general->hello |
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| 12:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i knew how to write addons i'd get on that in a hurry :P |
| 12:25.39 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 12:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | tribes had the most ingenius voicebinding system |
| 12:26.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yet it hasn't been replicated often |
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| 12:27.57 | Punkie` | it's in almost every fps game dude |
| 12:28.14 | Punkie` | v31 -> Yes Sir! in medal of honor games |
| 12:29.51 | zenzelezz | BF1942 also had such a system... unfortunately |
| 12:30.06 | zenzelezz | Requesti-reque-reque-reque-reque-requesting backup! |
| 12:38.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies: the closest to that would be emotefu |
| 12:39.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | still nothing near tribes' |
| 12:39.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | vgs vgs vgs vgs |
| 12:39.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | shazbot shazbot shazbot shazbot! |
| 12:39.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the truly skilled could chain them together like |
| 12:40.13 | bleeter | I'm looking forward to someone proposing a way we can get voice-recog happening in WoW... so when I go 'ugh', it can /yell 'YOU FUCKING MORONS DIDNT LISTEN SO WE'VE WIPED *AGAIN*' |
| 12:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | "help me get the shazbot" |
| 12:40.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | mess with dragon naturallyspeaking |
| 12:40.59 | bleeter | is that on both platforms these days? |
| 12:41.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 12:41.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | define 'both' |
| 12:41.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | linux? mac? |
| 12:41.39 | bleeter | win32, mac! :P |
| 12:42.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 12:42.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd definitely doubt it for linux though, it's always had pretty shoddy sound support |
| 12:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, looks like windows only |
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| 12:48.02 | bleeter | between Dragon, MS and Mr. Kurzweil, I suspect all the patents possible for Voice-Recog are prolly taken |
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| 12:50.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | YOU PANSIE |
| 12:50.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
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| 13:09.03 | zenzelezz | "this guy has my thumbs up the ass"... my guildies have a weird way of expressing their support |
| 13:10.49 | bleeter | that's... support? |
| 13:11.04 | zenzelezz | it's basically a very strong "thumbs up for this guy" |
| 13:11.10 | zenzelezz | at least I hope that's what he meant |
| 13:11.39 | bleeter | zenzelezz: I'm guessing either not said in English, or said in English by a non-native speaker |
| 13:12.41 | zenzelezz | the latter is true, but it's just the guild humor I believe; he speaks it quite well normally |
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| 13:17.18 | Cidan | hmm |
| 13:17.37 | Cidan | I take it creating a new function over and over again can be expensive to memory? |
| 13:17.52 | Cidan | ie: self.x = function(... |
| 13:21.54 | JoshBorke | lua> collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) print(...) end end; print(collectgarbage("collect")) |
| 13:21.55 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 0 |
| 13:22.09 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) print(...) end end; print(start - collectgarbage("collect")) |
| 13:22.10 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 0 |
| 13:22.13 | JoshBorke | hrmph |
| 13:23.11 | Cidan | I'm going to take a gander at yes, it does |
| 13:23.38 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) print(...) end end; print(gcinfo()) |
| 13:23.40 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 2095 |
| 13:23.44 | JoshBorke | there it is |
| 13:24.07 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) print(...) end end; print(gcinfo()/100000) |
| 13:24.09 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 0.02095 |
| 13:25.08 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) return ... end x(1, 2, 3, 4, i) end; print(gcinfo()/100000) |
| 13:25.12 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 0.02095 |
| 13:25.18 | Industrial | :-) |
| 13:25.27 | JoshBorke | i think i'm doing something wrong |
| 13:25.31 | Industrial | "return ..." ? |
| 13:25.55 | JoshBorke | yea, you can return the tuple |
| 13:26.00 | Industrial | ah ok |
| 13:26.04 | Industrial | but i mean |
| 13:26.07 | Industrial | no () ? |
| 13:26.42 | JoshBorke | where would the () go? and why? |
| 13:27.31 | Cidan | 0.02095 |
| 13:27.34 | Cidan | what unit is that? |
| 13:27.42 | JoshBorke | i'm going to guess bytes |
| 13:28.14 | Cidan | hmm, that is pretty expensive |
| 13:28.16 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) if select('#', ...) > 0 then return ... else return nil end x(1, 2, 3, 4, i) end; print(gcinfo()/100000) |
| 13:28.16 | cladbot | JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = f..."]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 13:28.22 | JoshBorke | lua> start = collectgarbage("stop") for i = 1, 100000 do local x = function(...) if select('#', ...) > 0 then return ... else return nil end end x(1, 2, 3, 4, i) end; print(gcinfo()/100000) |
| 13:28.26 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 0.02096 |
| 13:28.46 | JoshBorke | for comparison, a single frame is 22 bytes |
| 13:29.19 | Cidan | have to watch out when I assign functions on the fly |
| 13:29.25 | Cidan | best to have common ones pre-defined |
| 13:29.36 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 13:30.02 | JoshBorke | if you cache GetItemInfo in a table of functions, expect to use 5MB of memory :-D |
| 13:30.02 | Rallion | I can only run the Bioshock demo with a -dx9 command line switch, and it still crashed when I tried to hack a turret :( |
| 13:30.26 | Cidan | er, is Bioshock DX10 enabled? |
| 13:30.48 | Rallion | yes |
| 13:30.52 | Cidan | o rly? |
| 13:30.58 | Rallion | truly truly. |
| 13:30.58 | Cidan | maybe that's why it looked so nice then |
| 13:31.10 | Rallion | well, it looked pretty damn nice with DX9 too |
| 13:31.15 | Rallion | the water is great |
| 13:31.47 | Rallion | hopefully the release version is less buggy, or they patch it |
| 13:32.21 | Rallion | I bought it on Steam, which I'm kinda pissed about now, but oh well |
| 13:33.24 | Cidan | well |
| 13:33.32 | Cidan | did you hear that it's not true wide screen? |
| 13:33.36 | Cidan | the lop off the top and bottom |
| 13:33.45 | Rallion | lol that sucks |
| 13:33.46 | Cidan | and fit it to widescreen |
| 13:33.50 | Cidan | the == they |
| 13:33.59 | Rallion | I don't have widescreen though, so, you know, fine :P |
| 13:34.08 | Cidan | so standard screen get's more viewing |
| 13:35.02 | Rallion | that's too bad |
| 13:37.18 | Rallion | lol and I'm trying to post the bugs on their forum but they're not sending me my activation email...come on, guys, help me help you... |
| 13:37.49 | Cidan | uh |
| 13:37.53 | Cidan | steam doesn't activate 'til 4 |
| 13:37.55 | Cidan | pm |
| 13:38.07 | Rallion | i meant the forum registration email |
| 13:38.07 | Cidan | EST, I believe. |
| 13:38.10 | Rallion | yes |
| 13:38.10 | Cidan | oh, :P |
| 13:38.20 | Rallion | Oh, I knoe EXACTLY what time it activates lol |
| 13:38.24 | Rallion | because I have to work at 3 |
| 13:43.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played the 360 demo |
| 13:43.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looked pretty freaking good |
| 13:44.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and from what i've seen in screen the pc version looks almost exactly the same in dx9 as the 360 |
| 13:44.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably end up getting it for 360 because i don't think my pc can handle it at a decent framerate |
| 13:44.42 | Rallion | lol from what I've seen, dx10 looks pretty much exactly the same as dx9, too |
| 13:45.13 | Rallion | Have fun at your lowly 'high def' resolution! :p |
| 13:46.35 | Cidan | I'd much rather play it on my PC |
| 13:46.39 | Cidan | That's just me. |
| 13:46.49 | Cidan | Mouse + Keyboard a must for me |
| 13:47.45 | Rallion | hopefully items are more scarce in the full game than just the demo |
| 13:47.49 | Rallion | i would expect them to be |
| 13:51.57 | Cidan | man, so if function creation takes up nice GC space |
| 13:52.01 | Cidan | SetScript must as well |
| 13:52.10 | Cidan | argh, I hate the way Lua does memory |
| 13:52.12 | Cidan | gdmf |
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| 13:56.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | rallion, 1920x1080? :O |
| 13:57.55 | Rallion | that kind of number is why you get it for PC :P |
| 13:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 13:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | why |
| 13:58.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | your pc can handle bigger numbers than that? |
| 13:58.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 13:58.19 | Cidan | because it looks amazing, :P |
| 13:58.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i know it can |
| 13:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the framerate would have to be awful above that |
| 13:58.48 | Cidan | UE3 runs really well actually |
| 13:58.49 | Rallion | actually, mine can't, no :P |
| 13:58.52 | Cidan | I was surprised |
| 13:59.02 | Cidan | I've been considering getting one of those huge 24 inch Gateway LCD's |
| 13:59.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got a 60" CRT-based rearproj |
| 13:59.21 | Rallion | I would love to just get one big screen and use it for everything |
| 13:59.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it's definitely big enough |
| 13:59.29 | Rallion | hah yeah it is |
| 13:59.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | tis why it's hard for me to play on a pc monitor |
| 14:00.01 | Rallion | I understand. |
| 14:00.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything's too tiny to see detail |
| 14:00.54 | Cidan | wish shirik would wake up |
| 14:00.57 | Cidan | needs him, :/ |
| 14:00.57 | Rallion | I would actually like to just get the smallest 1080p LCD I can find, and hook up my cable, my PC, and my consoles to it, that would be awesome. |
| 14:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 14:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | my printer doesn't seem to be responding to a ping |
| 14:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | interesting |
| 14:01.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 14:01.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | aha |
| 14:01.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i knocked its ethernet cable loose |
| 14:02.55 | Rallion | i'm so glad I don't have to work tomorrow... |
| 14:04.51 | Cidan | wai? |
| 14:09.44 | Cidan | I think... I'm going to go try to level |
| 14:09.45 | Cidan | in WoW |
| 14:09.48 | Cidan | This will be fun |
| 14:09.54 | Cidan | I want a flying mount damn it, :( |
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| 14:13.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | kthen |
| 14:13.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was odd |
| 14:13.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of my switches threw a shitfit |
| 14:13.41 | zenzelezz | never had that happen |
| 14:18.54 | Nom- | fkkk |
| 14:19.00 | Nom- | i wasn't wrong about not getting out of here before 11 |
| 14:19.01 | Nom- | :/ |
| 14:19.10 | Nom- | 22:19 already, and i've barely started |
| 14:19.15 | Nom- | At least I did the hardest one first |
| 14:19.24 | zenzelezz | 22:19 is a long way from 11:00 |
| 14:19.55 | Nom- | i meanti wouldn't be out of here before 23:00 :P |
| 14:20.06 | Nom- | At this rate, i'm thinking 04:00 at the earliest |
| 14:20.10 | zenzelezz | I know, I'm being a wise guy |
| 14:20.12 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 14:29.56 | Shirik | hai Cairenn :) |
| 14:30.05 | Cairenn | morning Shirik |
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| 14:31.06 | Cidan | hmm |
| 14:31.16 | Cidan | getting up at the same time, are we now? |
| 14:31.21 | Cidan | ...makes you wonder... |
| 14:31.30 | Shirik | ;) |
| 14:31.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:31.44 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:31.48 | Cidan | Shirik, commit is up |
| 14:31.52 | Cairenn | hey JoshBorke |
| 14:31.55 | Cidan | but I still need to talk to you |
| 14:31.59 | Shirik | Cidan: See #conspiracy :P |
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| 14:36.55 | herzogthc | hm |
| 14:36.59 | herzogthc | ident broke yay |
| 14:41.18 | Chaotic_D | Gah. I think someone in here last night mentioned MD5 in here. I forgot to look into that or write it down. |
| 14:41.32 | herzogthc | Chaotic_D: what about md5? |
| 14:41.39 | foxlit | ~md5 is awesome |
| 14:41.42 | Chaotic_D | how to... use it. |
| 14:41.56 | foxlit | use it to do what? |
| 14:42.10 | herzogthc | umm |
| 14:42.14 | herzogthc | it's a one-way encryption scheme |
| 14:42.15 | herzogthc | ok |
| 14:42.19 | herzogthc | Chaotic_D: the theory and what i've always used it for |
| 14:42.22 | Chaotic_D | to convert a string. to a unique number. |
| 14:42.24 | foxlit | grumble grumble |
| 14:42.29 | foxlit | "one way encryption" |
| 14:42.33 | JoshBorke | it's actually not 1 way |
| 14:42.36 | JoshBorke | there are collisions |
| 14:42.41 | foxlit | It's actually not encryption |
| 14:42.47 | herzogthc | josh is correct, and technically, so is foxlit ;P |
| 14:42.58 | JoshBorke | it's a hashing algorithm |
| 14:43.08 | herzogthc | I will bow to inferior knowledge and I apologize for misleading ya |
| 14:43.09 | herzogthc | hehe |
| 14:43.12 | herzogthc | err |
| 14:43.14 | herzogthc | bow from inferior |
| 14:43.17 | herzogthc | anyway |
| 14:43.17 | foxlit | Anyone, one-way refers not to the fact that it's a one-to-one relationship |
| 14:43.35 | herzogthc | well |
| 14:43.42 | JoshBorke | but to the fact that you can't de-hash it |
| 14:44.06 | herzogthc | there can be collisions, You're condensing a variable length item into a very small string |
| 14:44.09 | jme | a Flask recipe granting +35 to all resists & +18 to all stats |
| 14:44.11 | jme | :O |
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| 14:44.26 | herzogthc | the whole point is to guarantee that if you provide md5 with the same string twice, it will return the same string |
| 14:44.32 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 14:44.36 | herzogthc | and that string is incredibly hard to reverse engineer |
| 14:44.42 | JoshBorke | it's convenient for easily compressing data |
| 14:44.44 | herzogthc | esp when you consider the fact that multiple items could create said same string |
| 14:44.51 | foxlit | "compressing" |
| 14:45.00 | JoshBorke | damnit foxlit |
| 14:45.02 | herzogthc | heh fox that time, it wasn't me earning quotes |
| 14:45.03 | herzogthc | hehehe |
| 14:45.05 | JoshBorke | everyone just ignore me then |
| 14:45.07 | herzogthc | that makes me feel better |
| 14:45.21 | foxlit | But what do you actually want to do? In what language? |
| 14:45.33 | herzogthc | you like to get to the point don't you? |
| 14:45.35 | herzogthc | that's awesome though |
| 14:45.38 | herzogthc | nothing wrong with that :) |
| 14:45.38 | Chaotic_D | so how do I hash a string in an addon? |
| 14:45.54 | foxlit | The easiest summary is "you don't" |
| 14:46.10 | herzogthc | foxlit: I was about to write a paragraph but you spared me thanks. |
| 14:46.12 | JoshBorke | hold on, there's an md5 implementation in lua |
| 14:46.21 | foxlit | There probably is :) |
| 14:46.25 | herzogthc | Josh: I Was gonna say I think so, but why on earth would you need it? |
| 14:46.30 | Industrial | THX BLIZZARD for booting a server without warning |
| 14:46.37 | JoshBorke | herzogthc: i'm thinking of using it for one of my addons |
| 14:46.42 | Industrial | Eu/Grim Batol down :( |
| 14:46.45 | foxlit | You all slack, tbh |
| 14:46.50 | herzogthc | tbh? |
| 14:46.52 | herzogthc | to be honest |
| 14:46.53 | herzogthc | nm |
| 14:46.59 | foxlit | http://downloads.curse.com/details/8018/ |
| 14:47.01 | foxlit | SHA-256 |
| 14:47.05 | herzogthc | I slack? You don't even know me ;) |
| 14:47.08 | herzogthc | hells yeah |
| 14:47.25 | herzogthc | 3DES insufficient? |
| 14:47.40 | foxlit | Who said anything about triple des? |
| 14:47.44 | herzogthc | I did |
| 14:47.47 | herzogthc | I'm bringing it up now :P |
| 14:47.54 | foxlit | insufficient for what? |
| 14:48.05 | Industrial | ur m... should i say it? |
| 14:48.37 | Chaotic_D | StringHash("string") ? |
| 14:48.59 | herzogthc | foxlit: Encryption purposes, is it not good enough for general basic encryption needs in comparison to SHA-256? |
| 14:49.25 | foxlit | SHA-256 is a hashing algorithm |
| 14:49.30 | herzogthc | duh |
| 14:49.32 | herzogthc | my bad |
| 14:49.35 | herzogthc | i'm still waking up |
| 14:49.39 | Chaotic_D | I just want to be able to tell quests apart with identical titles, by hashing the description text. |
| 14:49.41 | foxlit | I was suggesting you use that instead of MD5, since I wrote that implmentation :) |
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| 14:51.39 | foxlit | If you just want to distinguish between quest desccriptions, you can probably use something a lot simpler |
| 14:52.35 | cladhaire | if you want to distinguish between quest descriptions, why not just use a hash table for the descriptions themselves? |
| 14:52.55 | Shirik | !ap 1600 |
| 14:52.56 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1600 is, 2v2: 344, 3v3: 393, 5v5: 492 |
| 14:53.02 | Chaotic_D | ... right. that's what I was asking. |
| 14:53.04 | cladhaire | Chaotic_D: What are you trying to do by generating a unique number from a string, for quests? |
| 14:53.12 | foxlit | claidhaire: storage requirements, I assume |
| 14:53.24 | Chaotic_D | to tell them apart, to keep track of them. |
| 14:53.25 | cladhaire | foxlit: Well, hashing the quest descriptions is ... extremely limited to say the least |
| 14:53.29 | cladhaire | Chaotic_D: for what purpose tho |
| 14:53.35 | cladhaire | they aren't portable from player to player |
| 14:53.47 | cladhaire | or from lookups outside of the game, i.e. from another data source |
| 14:54.20 | Chaotic_D | you can't hash with the same passwords each time, merely for the purpose of identification? |
| 14:54.28 | cladhaire | you said quests, not passwords. |
| 14:54.39 | cladhaire | again, i'm asking what you're trying to accomplish, not how you think you're going to implement it |
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| 14:55.03 | cladhaire | I only ask becuause I have extensive experience trying to generate useful unique ids for quests, hence why i've asked for the qid to be exposed in the client. |
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| 14:55.40 | Industrial | that would pwn :o |
| 14:56.24 | Chaotic_D | for that addon that Tekkub is working on. I don't know how the hell to describe that. |
| 14:56.39 | cladhaire | well what you're asking for can't be done, I'm sorry |
| 14:56.47 | cladhaire | Not to knock you down or anything, you're welcome to try |
| 14:56.54 | cladhaire | but an md5 hash will not give you the uniqueness you require. |
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| 14:57.39 | Chaotic_D | there's no non-random hashing? I mean... will it not even stay the same on the same character between sessions? |
| 14:57.49 | cladhaire | on the same character, yes |
| 14:57.58 | cladhaire | but if that's the case, you don't even need hashing. |
| 14:58.37 | cladhaire | again, it would be helpful to know _what_ you're trying to do. |
| 14:59.16 | Chaotic_D | telling chained quests apart that have identical titles. |
| 14:59.47 | cladhaire | at what level, in his guide, or in-game? |
| 14:59.50 | Chaotic_D | did I get it right this time, or do you still not know what I'm trying to do? |
| 15:00.01 | Chaotic_D | in-game. |
| 15:00.06 | cladhaire | I dont think that's the case. |
| 15:00.12 | Chaotic_D | at all player levels. |
| 15:00.15 | cladhaire | if you're talking for TourGuide, then he would have to have the hashes already generated in his "script" file, that tells you where to go and what to do. |
| 15:00.31 | cladhaire | correct? |
| 15:00.46 | Chaotic_D | TourGuide, correct. I don't know about the rest of what you said though. |
| 15:01.18 | cladhaire | i'll talk to tekkub |
| 15:01.30 | Chaotic_D | heheh. :> |
| 15:02.42 | Chaotic_D | what if you just used the same non-random hash... function (hashing is new to me, so I don't know all the damned jargon) each time? |
| 15:03.04 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 15:03.06 | cladhaire | okay, listen. |
| 15:03.08 | cladhaire | tourguide guides the character through a number of steps |
| 15:03.23 | cladhaire | you're saying you need to be able to distinguish between step 1 in a quest series that shares the same title/level, and step 2. |
| 15:03.31 | cladhaire | correct? |
| 15:03.35 | Chaotic_D | correct. |
| 15:03.54 | cladhaire | I can only assume from that, that he needs to be able to say title/level/hashofsomething instead of title/level |
| 15:03.56 | cladhaire | in his guide |
| 15:04.04 | cladhaire | so you know what step you're on, or what you need to do, etc. |
| 15:04.15 | cladhaire | in that case, you need the hash to be generated to be included in the script file |
| 15:04.40 | Chaotic_D | I guess that would be easier. |
| 15:04.48 | cladhaire | no, i don't see how _ELSE_ you can do it |
| 15:04.51 | cladhaire | which is why you're confusing me |
| 15:05.03 | cladhaire | I'm trying to help, but you dont have any information about what you're trying to do, and trust me, it makes a big difference =/ |
| 15:06.38 | Chaotic_D | hrm... well, the only time it wouldn't work otherwise, is if you installed the addon after completing an earlier part of the quest, and so couldn't generate a hash sum for it. and you really shouldn't rely on people starting from the beginning, so yeah it would be safer that way. |
| 15:07.00 | cladhaire | well, if that's the case, you can't use md5 |
| 15:07.05 | cladhaire | or any hashing algorithm |
| 15:07.20 | Chaotic_D | stop getting caught up in my "I guess so." :> just consider it a "yes." |
| 15:07.28 | cladhaire | quests contain a number of the following substitutions: |
| 15:07.28 | cladhaire | -- Special entries are <name>, <race> and <class> <guy/girl> <his/her> <boy/girl> |
| 15:07.29 | cladhaire | -- <priest/priestess> <lad/lass> <him/her> <himself/herself> <he/she> |
| 15:07.29 | cladhaire | -- <female/male> <brother/sister> <Brother/Sister> <man/woman> |
| 15:07.46 | cladhaire | for any given race or character sex.. the quest text is different. |
| 15:08.02 | cladhaire | in addition, there are Aldor/Scryer quests differences, that I'm not sure tekkub is taking into consideration at the moment. |
| 15:08.22 | Chaotic_D | What is Aldor/Scryer? |
| 15:08.58 | cladhaire | factions, where half the quest titles are absolutely the same, objectives are the same, but the quests are different based on who they get turned into, and the reputation they reward |
| 15:09.01 | Chaotic_D | hrm... well I guess we'll have to find some way of uniquely identifying a quest from something that doesn't change. perhaps by the quest rewards. |
| 15:09.04 | cladhaire | probably not an issue for the stage he's working on. |
| 15:09.24 | cladhaire | Chaotic_D: most quest series have no rewards, and nothing you can correlate with in-game. |
| 15:09.40 | cladhaire | I can provide tekkub with a full quest parsing of every quest series in the game |
| 15:09.48 | Chaotic_D | (I say we as if I'm actually doing anything here. I wanted to make this addon a week ago, but wasn't aware anyone was doing one, so I started learning.) |
| 15:09.48 | cladhaire | and he can play with that to generate something, but there isn't just an easy solution., |
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| 15:10.34 | jme | comic sans mortal strike? |
| 15:11.24 | Chaotic_D | perhaps... if the database shows it's a quest chain (by having "(Part 1)", it can specify a search string from the quest description to tell them apart. :> |
| 15:11.48 | cladhaire | then it needs to be custom tailored for each series. |
| 15:11.54 | cladhaire | there are quite a few of them :P |
| 15:12.05 | Chaotic_D | (I was going to say substring, but the position would likely change) |
| 15:12.29 | cladhaire | 3086 quests are part of a series, out of 5849 quests. |
| 15:12.30 | sag_ich_nicht | god |
| 15:12.31 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire |
| 15:12.32 | sag_ich_nicht | stop. |
| 15:12.40 | sag_ich_nicht | first, you need to explain something to Chaotic_D. |
| 15:12.45 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: excuse me? |
| 15:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ~hash |
| 15:12.46 | purl | hmm... hash is to chop (as meat and potatoes) into small pieces |
| 15:12.54 | sag_ich_nicht | ...no it's not D: |
| 15:12.57 | Rallion | lol |
| 15:13.04 | jme | owned |
| 15:13.13 | cladhaire | he has the right idea |
| 15:13.22 | cladhaire | what's your problem? |
| 15:13.38 | cladhaire | s/your/the/ |
| 15:13.45 | herzogthc | man |
| 15:13.49 | herzogthc | bitchx is behaving strangely. |
| 15:13.55 | jme | slap it around |
| 15:14.00 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire hold |
| 15:14.03 | sag_ich_nicht | oh damnit |
| 15:14.10 | jme | *cough* no pun intended |
| 15:14.11 | sag_ich_nicht | okay nevermind, i missread something up their. damn heat |
| 15:14.12 | Chaotic_D | maybe it's because I'm inexperienced, and he feels you're wasting your time explaining things to me out of my league. |
| 15:14.19 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:14.34 | sag_ich_nicht | i missread something up there and got confused myself D: |
| 15:15.13 | cladhaire | alrighty then |
| 15:15.39 | Chaotic_D | but how many of those 3086 quests share titles? |
| 15:15.57 | cladhaire | one moment |
| 15:17.29 | cladhaire | 693 |
| 15:17.41 | Chaotic_D | :o much better. |
| 15:17.53 | cladhaire | thats only counting the second and more duplicate, not the original. |
| 15:18.14 | Chaotic_D | oh. :> |
| 15:18.24 | Chaotic_D | so that means at least twice that number. |
| 15:18.54 | cladhaire | well, let me do this an easier way |
| 15:19.13 | cladhaire | 3086 series quests, right? |
| 15:19.55 | Chaotic_D | yeah. well, it's probably close to that number, even if some series have a few uniquely titled steps. |
| 15:20.35 | cladhaire | there are exactly 2393 unique names, among those series quests. |
| 15:20.49 | cladhaire | so yes, you'd be correct |
| 15:21.45 | Chaotic_D | still, if you included just one unique word from the more verbose quest texts (hrm... no, perhaps 1 for each text, since there's welcome text and completion text) you could distinguish one quest from another. and I bet you could automatically generate those keywords. |
| 15:22.34 | cladhaire | one moment. |
| 15:23.38 | Chaotic_D | I'll just look at Call of Earth series. already one can be uniquely identified by the mention of "Felstalker" |
| 15:24.40 | cladhaire | sure, if you plan to go through each and every quest to pick out a word |
| 15:25.05 | Chaotic_D | it's completion text has the unique word "fickle". if you can't find a unique word between quests of identical names (it only has to be between those, not ALL quests) you could still find a combination of words. |
| 15:25.29 | Chaotic_D | will it slow things down that much to check each time? |
| 15:26.02 | cladhaire | it has nothing to do with slowing things down.. its choosing those words correctly |
| 15:26.31 | Chaotic_D | I think the only alternative is to just repeat the process for each step of the chain. and not let it go back to a previous step that's been completed. |
| 15:26.58 | Rallion | you could possibly write a simple program to find unique words, but...could be some difficulties there as well, for reasons already discussed |
| 15:28.23 | Chaotic_D | Hmmm... well, WoWHead has all the class/gender/race/etc words filtered out, right? if you generate them from a database that can filter out those tags, it should be fine. trying to generate the keywords in-game would be a headache. :> |
| 15:28.54 | cladhaire | no, too tough |
| 15:28.59 | cladhaire | you have no idea the number of substitutions there are |
| 15:29.03 | cladhaire | or who they refer to |
| 15:29.09 | cladhaire | sometimes its the person they're talking to |
| 15:29.15 | cladhaire | othertimes its the gender of the NPC |
| 15:29.39 | cladhaire | I have wowhead's entire database sitting in front of me at the moment, I parse it weekly to generate my quest listings. |
| 15:30.18 | cladhaire | there are 104 collisions, if you just use the length of the quest description |
| 15:30.19 | JoshBorke | speaking of parsing, did you parse this week? |
| 15:30.28 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: not yet |
| 15:30.55 | JoshBorke | did you parse last week? |
| 15:30.59 | cladhaire | i dont know |
| 15:30.59 | cladhaire | shut up |
| 15:31.06 | Rallion | lol |
| 15:31.13 | JoshBorke | have you done your parsing job in the last month?!!!!!1111 |
| 15:31.31 | Chaotic_D | There is no dessert until you parse your database, young man! |
| 15:31.34 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 15:32.04 | cladhaire | is today tuesday? |
| 15:32.08 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 15:32.12 | cladhaire | then i guess i parse today |
| 15:32.18 | JoshBorke | yea, i guess so! |
| 15:32.24 | Chaotic_D | well, I'm not the one that plays with the data anyways. :> |
| 15:32.28 | Rallion | it seems to me that in a large database of quests, since they get data from so many people, it would be a simple matter to identify what words aren't always the same in the descriptions...I'm not saying it's done, and I'm not saying it would be at all easy to start such a database from scratch...just, if it were decided on from the beginning, simple/ |
| 15:32.53 | Chaotic_D | I think he already has the substitution words clearly marked. |
| 15:33.05 | cladhaire | Rallion: the subs are clearly defined |
| 15:33.07 | cladhaire | they don't get them from peopel |
| 15:33.15 | cladhaire | they data mine them from the cache files |
| 15:33.27 | cladhaire | making the substitutions is a relative nightmare for us, however. |
| 15:33.49 | Chaotic_D | so it's not always guaranteed that your database has the substitutions marked yet, huh? |
| 15:33.53 | Rallion | well, sure, it would be |
| 15:34.14 | Chaotic_D | although I would think it's less of a problem for old quests that you've had data come in for frequently. |
| 15:34.30 | Chaotic_D | you sigh a lot. |
| 15:34.46 | cladhaire | only when frustrated |
| 15:35.23 | Rallion | lol I should shut up |
| 15:35.42 | JoshBorke | cladhaire is frustrated a lot |
| 15:35.52 | cladhaire | they already have all the substirutions marked in the wowhead descriptions |
| 15:36.09 | Chaotic_D | ah well. maybe I'll just leave the work up to others like Tekkub and you. |
| 15:36.11 | cladhaire | the issue is taking them from that point, into the game, and having them match up |
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| 15:36.19 | cladhaire | and assuming you'll be able to generate uniqueness from it. |
| 15:36.30 | Chaotic_D | and save you the frustration. :) |
| 15:37.43 | Chaotic_D | it only has to be unique within the quests that share the same title. "fickle" is used in plenty of other quests, but there's only one "Call of Earth" quest that uses it. |
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| 15:37.58 | cladhaire | yes, again, great grant and wonderful |
| 15:38.07 | cladhaire | generating those uniquely for all series, is non-trivial |
| 15:38.29 | cladhaire | someone would have to do it manually, and hope the quest text never changes |
| 15:38.38 | cladhaire | or we'd have to get the qid's exposed through the API |
| 15:38.53 | cladhaire | otherwise, it requires a full database parse, which as far as I know, I'm the only one doing regularly. |
| 15:39.17 | Chaotic_D | hm... does quest text change often though? I figure you just put up with that the way all addon authors put up with updates to the game. |
| 15:39.42 | cladhaire | i didn't say it was a big issue, but its a consideration |
| 15:39.49 | cladhaire | and you won't know until someone's quest script fails. |
| 15:40.08 | Chaotic_D | would be nice with the qid's. although I wonder if it's really a priority for Blizzard. :> |
| 15:40.19 | cladhaire | the client already has the information, *shrug* |
| 15:40.21 | cladhaire | I've asked for it. |
| 15:40.29 | cladhaire | i need it desperately |
| 15:41.35 | Srosh | Did they give any reasoning why they don't want to give it out? |
| 15:41.51 | cladhaire | they haven't rejected my request |
| 15:42.09 | Chaotic_D | I would have thought people had asked before. |
| 15:42.21 | cladhaire | not really, no. |
| 15:42.38 | cladhaire | PartyQuests and LightHeaded are really the only addons that do something like what they do |
| 15:42.42 | Chaotic_D | like for Thottbot or Alakhazam? |
| 15:43.04 | cladhaire | that have a specific need for that |
| 15:43.06 | cladhaire | those sites don't need them exposed in the game |
| 15:43.08 | cladhaire | they can get to them from the cache files |
| 15:43.15 | Srosh | Oh, I was under the impression, Blizz already denied the request once. |
| 15:43.30 | cladhaire | no, I never said that.. I said I requested it, and the request is outstanding. |
| 15:43.42 | Srosh | I see. No answer. |
| 15:44.09 | Chaotic_D | the request is outstanding? like the peasants are revolting? |
| 15:44.27 | cladhaire | no, i've asked for it |
| 15:44.29 | cladhaire | and its gotten no answer |
| 15:44.31 | Chaotic_D | (I give the request two thumbs up! outstanding!) |
| 15:44.32 | cladhaire | nothing more complex than that. |
| 15:46.15 | Chaotic_D | I hope my friend comes back online sometime this week. I asked him over a week ago to give me info on signing up a friend so he could get 30 free days, and he just now got back to me and didn't mention it. I bet he forgot. |
| 15:46.49 | Chaotic_D | I may run out of patience and subscribe soon. the game came in the mail yesterday. |
| 15:47.09 | art3mis | the 30 days free is part of your purcahse of the game |
| 15:47.14 | art3mis | purchase |
| 15:47.31 | art3mis | 10day trial->buiy game get 1month free with it->pay |
| 15:47.58 | Chaotic_D | no, if you sign up a friend (IE: "invite" a friend for the free trial, and then they buy the game and start subscribing) they get 30 days free as well. |
| 15:48.08 | art3mis | ya know what i'd love blizz to do, make more outside of instance content for quests and stuff |
| 15:48.15 | art3mis | instead of lame ass grinding |
| 15:48.54 | art3mis | they == you? |
| 15:49.10 | Chaotic_D | yes. |
| 15:49.25 | Chaotic_D | since my friend is currently subscribed and I am not. |
| 15:49.47 | art3mis | you have a pronoun issue ;P |
| 15:50.00 | Chaotic_D | hm? |
| 15:50.12 | art3mis | if my friwend ivites me and i sign up HE gets 30 free days |
| 15:50.44 | art3mis | the way it's worded the other few times you've typed it reads like if I sign up a friend they(the friend) gets 30 days free |
| 15:51.08 | Chaotic_D | oh. I got the last one wrong. yeah. |
| 15:51.21 | art3mis | thats the part that was confusing me |
| 15:51.26 | art3mis | but i believe it's auto |
| 15:51.55 | art3mis | if they send you the invite mailer thingy from thier wow account and you use that code to make the trial ad sign up, once you're a paying customer he gets the credit |
| 15:52.38 | Chaotic_D | yeah. and my friend needs to send me that invite, whatever the heck it is. (I can't check because they won't even give non-subscribers detailed info) |
| 15:53.06 | Chaotic_D | but if he doesn't get off his ass and give it to me, he's throwing out a free month. :P |
| 15:53.15 | art3mis | heh ill send ya it ;P |
| 15:53.56 | Chaotic_D | I'll give him a little more time before I throw it out there. :> |
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| 16:08.27 | Nom- | mmm subway melt |
| 16:12.32 | cladhaire | quiznos subs > subway |
| 16:12.44 | cladhaire | as far as heating goes |
| 16:12.45 | Cidan | agreed |
| 16:13.04 | cladhaire | i dont mind anything about subway except the magic toaster |
| 16:13.09 | cladhaire | i'm old fashioned when it comes to liking my sandwiches toasted :P |
| 16:13.33 | Cidan | magic toaster, hah. |
| 16:14.33 | art3mis | is there a command to collaspe functions in ultraedit? |
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| 16:22.44 | Shirik | cladhaire: Totally agreed |
| 16:22.51 | Shirik | unfortunately I don't have a quizno's near me in VA afaik |
| 16:22.55 | Shirik | or in FL for that matter |
| 16:23.06 | Shirik | Up in PA I had one |
| 16:23.13 | Cidan | there is one on route 7 |
| 16:23.15 | Cidan | right next to me |
| 16:23.16 | Cidan | :D |
| 16:23.23 | Shirik | ... |
| 16:23.24 | Osagasu | I server just went down again. QQ |
| 16:23.27 | Osagasu | **my |
| 16:23.29 | Shirik | Osagasu: Mine too :( |
| 16:23.51 | Shirik | I knew it came back way too quickly |
| 16:23.53 | Shirik | it was impossible |
| 16:24.19 | Shirik | and now auth server seems to be down |
| 16:24.20 | Shirik | awesome! |
| 16:25.06 | Shirik | oh no there it goes |
| 16:25.07 | Shirik | yey |
| 16:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Tuesday. *sigh* |
| 16:25.45 | Cidan | :( |
| 16:25.46 | Chaotic_D | My friend's in Japan, playing on an Australian server. Do you think the lag/ping playing on an Australian server from Canada would be bad? :> |
| 16:25.51 | Cidan | That doesn't sound very happy to me |
| 16:26.10 | Chaotic_D | Eastern Canada, at that. Not Western. |
| 16:26.18 | foxlit | This tuesday feels like a thursday |
| 16:26.42 | Lopeppeppy | The Australian servers have had chronic latency issues, some of the Tech Support sticky threads have traced issues to various throttling points on the ISP network, etc. |
| 16:27.16 | Chaotic_D | what, even for Australians?? |
| 16:28.07 | Chaotic_D | nevermind. I'm not Australian, so it matters not. |
| 16:28.27 | Chaotic_D | I wonder how his ping/lag is there in Japan... |
| 16:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | I understand even the people playing on oceanic servers from oceanic spaces have lag hatred. |
| 16:30.45 | foxlit | I thought oceanic servers are still physically in US |
| 16:30.49 | foxlit | Just with a different clock |
| 16:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | That might account for the lag they see, now wouldn't it? :) |
| 16:31.27 | foxlit | nowai! |
| 16:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 16:31.35 | Chaotic_D | oh. :o well... that would be sweet for me. |
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| 16:38.22 | |Jelly| | PARTY! |
| 16:38.51 | |Jelly| | yay! |
| 16:39.11 | |Jelly| | How are you today? |
| 16:40.06 | JoshBork1 | hello |
| 16:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | Woked up. That's the best I get for Tuesdays. Heya, JoshBork. |
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| 16:43.50 | |Jelly| | You're not the queen of Tuesdays too? :( |
| 16:44.12 | Kaydeethree | woo, endeavour is safe. thank the gods |
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| 16:44.33 | Lin | hi all! |
| 16:44.51 | Cidan | hola Lin |
| 16:44.52 | Lopeppeppy | Tuesdays are anarchy days, |Jelly|. |
| 16:44.54 | cogwheel | ditto |
| 16:45.12 | |Jelly| | Oh man, Peppy. |
| 16:45.19 | TS|Skrom | You know... chance of being turned into a drider aside, if I could be any fantasy race I'd want to be a drow. Their women are DAMN sexy. |
| 16:45.31 | |Jelly| | *runs around screaming "Anarchy"* |
| 16:45.41 | |Jelly| | Don't bother. |
| 16:45.43 | Lin | ola Cidan |
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| 16:46.47 | |Jelly|_ | I learned the hard way not to feed the retards. Should have taken a lesson from Cog. |
| 16:47.12 | Kaydeethree | meh, I may start yelling at the fools over on PTR soon. wonder if it's even up right now? |
| 16:47.16 | Chaotic_D | IS Lopeppeppy the creature from Monster World IV? |
| 16:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | Not today, Chaotic_D. |
| 16:48.09 | Chaotic_D | what? :D |
| 16:48.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'll put it on tomorrow's ToDoList, but that's also rather full. Catch me next week for starring in a monster flick. |
| 16:49.10 | Chaotic_D | oh, I was off. It's Pepelogu. (sp?) |
| 16:49.38 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... the warlocks op in pvp thread in general is up to 61 pages |
| 16:49.39 | TS|Skrom | I could see how you'd get that confused >.> |
| 16:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | Small spelling difference. |
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| 16:49.55 | Chaotic_D | it's not a monster flick. it's a video game. :> |
| 16:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | There's a huge difference? |
| 16:50.14 | Chaotic_D | yes. |
| 16:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | Probably exactly the same difference between my name and it's, hmm? |
| 16:51.15 | Chaotic_D | I dunno... it's 3/4ths the same, with 1/3rd rearranged. |
| 16:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm-hmm. Anyway, next topic. How about that local sports team? |
| 16:55.01 | Shirik | ~lart Cidan |
| 16:55.01 | purl | forces Cidan to use Outlook Express |
| 16:55.05 | Shirik | since purl is not in #conspiracy |
| 16:55.10 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:56.07 | Maldivia | Kaydeethree: what did you expect, from a thread Kalgan posts in ?:) |
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| 17:00.08 | Cholo71796 | Hello? |
| 17:00.17 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning. |
| 17:00.28 | JoshBork1 | goodbye |
| 17:00.32 | JoshBork1 | hello goodbye |
| 17:00.34 | JoshBork1 | you say hello |
| 17:00.36 | JoshBork1 | and i say goodbye |
| 17:00.38 | Cholo71796 | haha |
| 17:00.38 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 17:00.53 | Cholo71796 | Could anyone help me with a mod i'm creating? |
| 17:00.54 | JoshBork1 | i'm sure i've butchered the song |
| 17:00.55 | |Jelly|_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.01 | Cholo71796 | Could anyone help me with a mod i'm creating? |
| 17:01.02 | |Jelly|_ | Well, I was a little late. |
| 17:01.11 | JoshBork1 | actually, it's wasn't a question to ask a question |
| 17:01.16 | JoshBork1 | it was a question requesting help |
| 17:01.17 | mikma | Cairenn: :D |
| 17:01.26 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 17:01.26 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 17:01.31 | |Jelly|_ | Close enough. :P |
| 17:01.44 | JoshBork1 | mikma: you should add a big smiley face and a caption that says: Don't worry, be happy |
| 17:01.49 | Cholo71796 | Well, lets see... I need to find that post. |
| 17:02.27 | Cholo71796 | OOH! Found it: |
| 17:02.28 | Cholo71796 | I'm trying to make a mod that has grinding info, but it pops up by the click of a button in game. It would be very handy, considering ALT + TAB can get annoying. I want a dropdown menu which includes Horde and Alliance, and then another dropdown menu for 10-19, 20-29,30-39,40-49,50-59,60-70. Then I will write the locations in the open space or whatever... (Specify where I should put them.) |
| 17:02.31 | mikma | JoshBork1: "Relax" |
| 17:02.40 | Cholo71796 | I'm trying to make a mod that has grinding info, but it pops up by the click of a button in game. It would be very handy, considering ALT + TAB can get annoying. I want a dropdown menu which includes Horde and Alliance, and then another dropdown menu for 10-19, 20-29,30-39,40-49,50-59,60-70. Then I will write the locations in the open space or whatever... (Specify where I should put them.) |
| 17:02.43 | Cholo71796 | poop |
| 17:02.48 | Cholo71796 | sorry for spam |
| 17:02.57 | |Jelly|_ | GOSH! |
| 17:03.03 | Cholo71796 | LUA, TOC and XML files: |
| 17:03.06 | Cholo71796 | are at |
| 17:03.11 | JoshBork1 | don't use dropdown menus |
| 17:03.12 | JoshBork1 | they suck |
| 17:03.14 | |Jelly|_ | Lua isn't an acronym. |
| 17:03.18 | Cholo71796 | i know |
| 17:03.19 | |Jelly|_ | <3 Shirik |
| 17:03.24 | cogwheel | now boys... |
| 17:03.31 | Cholo71796 | Anyway |
| 17:03.38 | TS|Skrom | I like dropdowns :( |
| 17:03.48 | Cholo71796 | brb |
| 17:03.51 | |Jelly|_ | ~lart TS|Skrom |
| 17:03.51 | purl | strangles TS|Skrom with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 17:04.05 | |Jelly|_ | That's right! A doohicky mouse cord! |
| 17:04.07 | TS|Skrom | especially the pop lock and dropdowns |
| 17:04.31 | Shirik | <3 |Jelly| |
| 17:04.46 | Cholo71796 | Anyway |
| 17:04.48 | Punkie` | www.playxpert.com <--- dont need to tab out apparently :P |
| 17:04.56 | Punkie` | no idea how good it is |
| 17:05.26 | Cholo71796 | my info can be found at w w w . filebeam . c o m / b8ed17ef34f3c63b93632c6341b61419 |
| 17:05.54 | Cholo71796 | and my lua toc and xml can be found at filebeam . c o m / ed14b5f3092e3b3db17bf5294b0f307c |
| 17:06.03 | Punkie` | I dont want to click on that |
| 17:06.05 | Punkie` | or paste it |
| 17:06.10 | Punkie` | use www.pastey.net |
| 17:06.11 | |Jelly| | Doesn't Cartographer already have the level of zones in it by default? Or are you looking for a more indepth guide like an ingame Joana's? |
| 17:06.18 | Cholo71796 | no |
| 17:06.21 | cogwheel | Punkie`: dual monitors > overlay :P |
| 17:06.28 | Punkie` | cogwheel: damn straight |
| 17:06.59 | |Jelly| | cogwheel: YUP |
| 17:06.59 | Punkie` | I don't know if that program is illegal or not, I don't really want to give warden that test anyway |
| 17:06.59 | TS|Skrom | Cholo71796 look up Lightheaded |
| 17:06.59 | Rallion | If only I had the desk space :( |
| 17:07.04 | Cholo71796 | I'm doing a thing where it has two dropdowns, one with Horde/Alliance and one with all the 10-1920-29... things, and it has grinding info |
| 17:07.04 | cogwheel | Punkie`: if it's just an overlay then it can't be illegal |
| 17:07.10 | cogwheel | only if it actually interacts with the game |
| 17:07.12 | |Jelly| | Punkie: What program? |
| 17:07.19 | Punkie` | www.playxpert.com |
| 17:07.29 | Rallion | I watch movies in "always on top" windows while playing WoW all the time |
| 17:07.31 | Punkie` | like an overlay that you can view the interwebs with it |
| 17:07.38 | Punkie` | Rallion: I do that too, but you know :P |
| 17:07.38 | |Jelly| | Ahh. |
| 17:07.46 | Cholo71796 | so |
| 17:07.49 | Punkie` | Doesn't feel right or whatever |
| 17:07.50 | Cholo71796 | can anyone help? |
| 17:07.52 | TS|Skrom | Me too... BUT ON MY SECOND MONITOR! FACE! |
| 17:08.02 | TS|Skrom | Cholo71796 I can help, look up the mod Lightheaded |
| 17:08.10 | Punkie` | Cholo71796: I doubt anyone will look at your code if it's not on www.pastey.net |
| 17:08.17 | Punkie` | and you should look up lightheaded indeed |
| 17:08.30 | Rallion | I HAVE a second monitor! I have it! It's in my closet! I just don't have a huge desk, and a lot of the space is taken up by my massive tower. |
| 17:08.44 | TS|Skrom | Well to be honest I have a small desk myself |
| 17:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | Surprise, I suggested LightHeaded on the forum thread! |
| 17:09.19 | Cholo71796 | wait |
| 17:09.20 | TS|Skrom | it just has an area below where I can put the tower, I have a flat panel on the main area, and the CRT on the side part of the desk (it's an odd configuration but no more then say... 5 feet wide |
| 17:09.55 | Rallion | another thing, I'm not entirely sure that I should be using any more power than I already am :P |
| 17:09.58 | Cholo71796 | Can anyone help me with a mod that i'm creating that contains grinding info? |
| 17:10.07 | Rallion | I should really see if I can make it work one of these days |
| 17:10.16 | Punkie` | Cholo71796: are you a bot or something? |
| 17:10.20 | Cholo71796 | no lol |
| 17:10.26 | Cholo71796 | but can anyone help me? |
| 17:10.38 | TS|Skrom | Yes, I can help you by suggesting you don't reinvent the wheel. It's already been made, and if you don't know how to code, don't expect someone to make your mod for you. |
| 17:10.39 | Chaotic_D | that sounds like something a bot would say. GET 'IM! ;) |
| 17:10.47 | TS|Skrom | No lying, bot! |
| 17:10.55 | Cholo71796 | ... |
| 17:11.15 | Cholo71796 | Anyway, is there anywhere i can learn the code without gibberish |
| 17:11.15 | TS|Skrom | If you are looking for specific questions about how to make a dropdown or something that's fine, but don't say HERE'S MY CODE! GET BIZZAY! |
| 17:11.20 | Punkie` | Cholo71796: When Littlefoot's mother died in the original 'Land Before Time', did you feel sad? |
| 17:11.22 | TS|Skrom | yes, www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 17:11.32 | cogwheel | c'mon, guys... i already gave him enough s*it on the forums... |
| 17:11.43 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel :O |
| 17:11.53 | Cholo71796 | COGWHEEL ZOMG |
| 17:11.57 | Cholo71796 | lol |
| 17:12.00 | TS|Skrom | Hey, why aren't you work, notwork or book today? |
| 17:12.08 | Punkie` | Aha, clearly a bot. Dodged my question |
| 17:12.18 | Shirik | or specific questions about how to make a dropdown or something that's fine, but don't say HERE'S MY CODE! GET BIZZAY! |
| 17:12.18 | Shirik | 13:11:10 ‹Punkie`› Cholo71796: When Li |
| 17:12.21 | Shirik | er |
| 17:12.26 | Shirik | 132:102:07 12‹Punkie`12› Cholo71796: are you a bot or something? |
| 17:12.26 | Shirik | 132:102:11 12‹Cholo7179612› no lol |
| 17:12.30 | Punkie` | not that one |
| 17:12.32 | TS|Skrom | y ou lo se |
| 17:12.33 | Punkie` | the second one! |
| 17:12.40 | Shirik | ah right |
| 17:12.42 | Rallion | i'm totally downlaoding playxpert right now |
| 17:12.49 | TS|Skrom | b& |
| 17:12.59 | Rallion | even though I play in a maximized window and alt-tabbing is instant. |
| 17:13.12 | Punkie` | Rallion: If you get banned tell the GM cogwheel said it was ok! |
| 17:13.13 | Punkie` | :D |
| 17:13.19 | Cholo71796 | GODDAMN THIS PIL PAGE IS ONE OF THOSE PAGES THAT GOES INTO ULTRA COMPLEX GIBBERISH RIGHT AT THE START GAAAAHAHHAHAHA |
| 17:13.28 | TS|Skrom | erm |
| 17:13.31 | Cholo71796 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.34 | TS|Skrom | caps are bad mmkay |
| 17:13.34 | Rallion | lmao |
| 17:13.44 | Rallion | Punkie, I sure will! |
| 17:13.52 | Cholo71796 | they have all this crazy shit when they haven't even told us what it does |
| 17:14.00 | Cholo71796 | some people need to learn to MAKE SENSE |
| 17:14.17 | TS|Skrom | um... it makes sense if you have any kind of basic knowledge of programming |
| 17:14.31 | Rallion | it starts with Hello World!!! |
| 17:14.32 | Valaron|Work | Hee |
| 17:14.37 | Shirik | Okay, first off, let's not use caps like that, thanks |
| 17:14.48 | Shirik | Secondly, PiL is probably the foremost subject on learning the language |
| 17:14.51 | |Jelly| | I almost feel sorry for the guy. |
| 17:14.56 | Shirik | If you don't understand, you might be a bit in over your head |
| 17:14.59 | |Jelly| | But alas, no. |
| 17:15.05 | Cholo71796 | It's so confusing! |
| 17:15.08 | Shirik | And may want to look into general (non-language-specific) programming first |
| 17:15.20 | Punkie` | Cholo71796: Before you start anyway, your addon needs more Ace2. |
| 17:15.20 | foxlit | And math |
| 17:15.22 | Shirik | because trying to learn a language is NOT how you learn to program |
| 17:15.23 | foxlit | Factorials are cake |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik | Punkie`: I will hurt yoy |
| 17:15.30 | Punkie` | haha |
| 17:15.44 | Punkie` | <3 |
| 17:15.58 | Cholo71796 | Ace2? C? C++? Lua? Why don't they explain ANYTHING? |
| 17:16.03 | TS|Skrom | Cholo71796 here's the bottom line. if you don't know how to program (or don't want to learn), making an addon is not what you want to get involved in. You will get frustrated and hate it. If you are willing to learn, then pil is where to start. |
| 17:16.04 | Cidan | Cholo71796, to learn to program is not to learn a language. |
| 17:16.06 | Rallion | forget Ace2. |
| 17:16.24 | Rallion | but if you're lost on C and C++, we may have a problem |
| 17:16.30 | Cholo71796 | Wellllll |
| 17:16.31 | Cidan | Very much so. |
| 17:16.31 | |Jelly| | IMO Conspiracy needs more Ace. |
| 17:16.35 | Cidan | |Jelly|, die |
| 17:16.37 | Cholo71796 | I don't even know what they mean |
| 17:16.38 | Shirik | agreed. |
| 17:16.43 | |Jelly| | <333 |
| 17:16.43 | Shirik | (with the die part) |
| 17:16.45 | Cidan | Then you will have a problem |
| 17:16.49 | Cidan | A very big one |
| 17:16.50 | Cholo71796 | Well |
| 17:16.54 | Punkie` | |Jelly|: You're doing it wrong |
| 17:16.59 | Punkie` | ACE |
| 17:17.01 | zenzelezz | Shirik must be pleased, there's a new version of ChatThrottleLib on WoWI |
| 17:17.05 | Shirik | C and C++ are probably the two most-well-known languages available |
| 17:17.06 | |Jelly| | LUA |
| 17:17.14 | Punkie` | LUA + ACE MAKES ADDON |
| 17:17.26 | Cidan | They are, by far and large. C/C++ pretty much make up almost everything you use |
| 17:17.29 | Cholo71796 | can someone direct me to something less complicated? like, i liked to program the triggers in WCII |
| 17:17.32 | Cholo71796 | III* |
| 17:17.33 | cladhaire | Punkie`: please stop, its getting obnoxious, especially when someone is here trying to get help. |
| 17:17.39 | Punkie` | :( |
| 17:17.56 | TS|Skrom | Cholo71796 http://lepslair.com/tutorials/fundamentals/ |
| 17:17.57 | Valaron|Work | Triggers? |
| 17:18.01 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:18.02 | Cidan | Cholo71796, I'm not sure that there is anything, except maybe macros |
| 17:18.02 | Chaotic_D | eh... they really don't make it easy to figure out what's going on. They tell you to read something, but most of the time you're never told why. I'm a real big fan of overviews, and I already ranted and raved about the lack of them over in #wowace |
| 17:18.03 | Shirik | for UMS games |
| 17:18.05 | Cholo71796 | I'm very confused. I want something that someone with VERY little experience can start from |
| 17:18.06 | Shirik | like Starcraft |
| 17:18.14 | Shirik | Cholo71796: Lua is not a simple language |
| 17:18.21 | |Jelly| | IMO...buy Clad's book. |
| 17:18.23 | Shirik | well, it is, but it's not |
| 17:18.23 | Cidan | No, no it's not. |
| 17:18.23 | Cholo71796 | Clearly.. |
| 17:18.24 | TS|Skrom | That might get you started on some theory of programming. From there, you can apply most of the ideas to the Lua language. |
| 17:18.31 | Rallion | Valaron, WCIII used a nice UI that covered up event-based Java programming |
| 17:18.35 | Cholo71796 | Fuck i'm not wasting money |
| 17:18.40 | Valaron|Work | Ahhh |
| 17:18.45 | Cholo71796 | I'm broke |
| 17:18.46 | |Jelly| | "wasting" <-- ??? |
| 17:18.46 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: then find one of the many free programming resources |
| 17:18.53 | TS|Skrom | http://lepslair.com/tutorials/fundamentals/ |
| 17:18.56 | cladhaire | btu you have to learn how to program, before you can learn how to just start writing addons. |
| 17:18.56 | TS|Skrom | there's one |
| 17:19.04 | Shirik | Right, and like I've already said |
| 17:19.04 | Cholo71796 | ill take alook |
| 17:19.08 | |Jelly| | clad, I just /facepalm'd for you. <3 |
| 17:19.08 | Shirik | learning a language is NOT how you learn how to program |
| 17:19.15 | Shirik | it's how you set yourself for beating your face against a wall repeatedly |
| 17:19.23 | cladhaire | actually hold ona sec. |
| 17:19.31 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: I have a good book for you |
| 17:19.45 | cladhaire | Do you know anything about Java, or Python? |
| 17:19.48 | Cholo71796 | Oh, great, now they're showing us some other gibberish shit? pSeudo??! |
| 17:19.48 | |Jelly| | I can tell you that by personal experience; Shirik actually helped me through that phase. |
| 17:20.02 | Cholo71796 | Shirik? |
| 17:20.02 | Cidan | lol, Cholo71796, first, you need to chill out |
| 17:20.03 | Valaron|Work | I haven't played enough WCIII |
| 17:20.03 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: Don't look at what TS|Skrom showed you.. That's a horrible tutorial. |
| 17:20.08 | Cholo71796 | Ok. |
| 17:20.09 | Rallion | well, actually, AFAIK, WCIII wasn't Java, the syntax was just almost exactly the same |
| 17:20.14 | Cidan | Second |
| 17:20.36 | |Jelly| | Anyway, I have to go. Apparently there's this thing that we call "real life" that needs attending to. |
| 17:20.47 | Rallion | real life is 4 n00bs |
| 17:20.49 | Chaotic_D | guh, I hate that, |Jelly|. |
| 17:20.49 | Cholo71796 | * impatient... * |
| 17:20.53 | Cidan | Listen to what I'm about to tell you. You can't get into any type of programming if you don't have an understanding of what the basics are and how programs work. |
| 17:20.54 | |Jelly| | I agree. |
| 17:20.58 | Cidan | It takes a lot of time |
| 17:21.02 | Cholo71796 | i se |
| 17:21.03 | Cholo71796 | e |
| 17:21.03 | Rallion | impatience will get you nowhere. |
| 17:21.04 | TS|Skrom | cladhaire I disagree. It's horrible for people like us who know better, but it does explain some of the basic terminology |
| 17:21.17 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: no, it starts wth flow diagrams, which can make thigns really confusing. |
| 17:21.28 | TS|Skrom | yeah I was going to suggest skipping part 1 |
| 17:21.32 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: If you actually want to put the time into learning something, I'd suggest starting here |
| 17:21.32 | cladhaire | http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkCSpy/ |
| 17:21.34 | Cholo71796 | i programmed with .squeak (lolz easy) and WCIII trigger editor and some VERY BASIC vbs |
| 17:21.37 | Rallion | I always found flow diagrams to be intuitive |
| 17:21.37 | Cidan | So if you want to learn the very basics, we can point you in the right direction, but it's not a 1-2-3 thing |
| 17:21.37 | TS|Skrom | the part on variables and conditionals is okay |
| 17:21.37 | Cholo71796 | pl |
| 17:21.57 | cladhaire | If PiL is too high level for you, that book will be a good start of how to think like a programmer.. how to learn how to program |
| 17:22.05 | cladhaire | its done using Python which is readily available |
| 17:22.09 | Cholo71796 | Awww dang more money in the trash! |
| 17:22.13 | cladhaire | no, its free |
| 17:22.14 | cladhaire | no money |
| 17:22.15 | cladhaire | damnit |
| 17:22.16 | cladhaire | fucking listen |
| 17:22.17 | Cholo71796 | yay |
| 17:22.19 | cladhaire | and stop being impatient. |
| 17:22.22 | cladhaire | we're here trying to help you |
| 17:22.25 | cladhaire | stop shitting on us, please. |
| 17:22.29 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:22.29 | Chaotic_D | Cholo71796, I'm not sure you should bother making addons. unless you actually enjoy the process of programming even a little bit, there's no way you can motivate yourself to do it. There are shortcuts, but you still need to have an interest in getting into the technical stuff. |
| 17:22.32 | Cidan | easssy cladhaire |
| 17:22.42 | cladhaire | i dont have an easy :P |
| 17:22.44 | zenzelezz | Cidan: he's not saying anything Cairenn wouldn't |
| 17:22.44 | cladhaire | i am easy |
| 17:22.53 | Cidan | no no, not the language |
| 17:23.03 | cladhaire | but that's a different story |
| 17:23.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:23.08 | Cholo71796 | I do enjoy it. I just don't enjoy people putting me down and speaking with terms that I don't understand. |
| 17:23.09 | Cidan | haha |
| 17:23.14 | Cidan | okay, Cholo71796 |
| 17:23.19 | Cidan | let's start with this |
| 17:23.38 | Cidan | Cholo71796, /nickserv register <some password here> |
| 17:23.42 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:23.44 | Cholo71796 | ? |
| 17:23.48 | Cholo71796 | why? |
| 17:23.55 | Cidan | On this IRC network, you have to register your nicknames |
| 17:23.56 | cladhaire | because otherwise people can't PM you |
| 17:24.15 | Cholo71796 | done |
| 17:24.19 | Cholo71796 | i registered it |
| 17:24.20 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: no one is trying to talk down to you, but you're being offended by us sending you to a very valid resource |
| 17:24.59 | Cholo71796 | Some [i] were [/i] |
| 17:25.02 | Cholo71796 | damn |
| 17:25.19 | Rallion | ...eek. |
| 17:25.20 | Cholo71796 | Alright im reading the foreword |
| 17:25.21 | cladhaire | We're trying to help you, and I'm sorry if you felt that way.. I'm here now and paying attention so I'll spank the bad people. |
| 17:25.29 | Cholo71796 | LOL |
| 17:25.30 | Cholo71796 | thx |
| 17:25.39 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: The book i directed you to, is available PDF format, as well as HTML.. both downloadable and completely free |
| 17:25.48 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: that book will teach you how to program, using Python |
| 17:25.58 | TS|Skrom | ooo spank me mastah |
| 17:26.11 | cladhaire | that wont' put you any further down the road towards learning how to write addons, but it will give you the foundation you need to program well. |
| 17:26.16 | Chaotic_D | Cholo: I mean... I'm a little bit like you. I'm focused more on the results than the process, so I have to work extra hard to motivate myself. And I find it all very confusing, and there's very little explanation given, so you spend a lot of time reading stuff you do not understand any of it. That takes a lot of patience. |
| 17:26.54 | cladhaire | beyond that, there is currently only one organized way to learn how to write addons, my first book, and my second book. Other than that, its a matter of tutorials and such on the web which are completely good.. but you have to spend time into finding them and getting from page to page,. |
| 17:27.04 | cladhaire | It would help if we understood what you'd like to do! |
| 17:27.13 | Cholo71796 | so you're saying, that when i don't understand this crazy shit, i should read it anyway |
| 17:27.19 | Cholo71796 | well |
| 17:27.27 | Cholo71796 | im just trying to make a simple windo |
| 17:27.28 | cladhaire | calm down please. |
| 17:27.28 | Valaron|Work | Learning to program is not an overnight thing. It takes time and patience. |
| 17:27.37 | Cholo71796 | I know... |
| 17:27.49 | Cidan | cladhaire, the problem is he doesn't have an understanding of anything, at all, period. He doesn't know what a variable is, nor expressions, nor loops, nothing. |
| 17:27.53 | Cidan | Cholo71796, am I right? |
| 17:28.04 | cladhaire | Cidan: that's what that book teaches, intentinoally why I directed him to it. |
| 17:28.04 | Cholo71796 | one sewc brb |
| 17:28.15 | Chaotic_D | and now someone else has already done most of the addon I wanted to do. T_T; |
| 17:28.18 | cladhaire | as can be seen clearly from the .toc |
| 17:28.45 | cladhaire | Cholo71796: It seems like all you want is this then: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 17:28.51 | Cholo71796 | i know exactly what all of those are |
| 17:29.09 | Cholo71796 | loops keep going over and over again |
| 17:29.30 | Cholo71796 | variables are set to a certain value and can be varied with other commands |
| 17:29.36 | Cidan | :D! |
| 17:29.42 | Cholo71796 | i forget expressions tho |
| 17:30.00 | Cidan | Well little by little you'll get it, hmm, how did I learn... |
| 17:30.05 | cladhaire | Cidan: the point is, the book I directed him to covers all of that, in extreme details, in an interpreted language that is similar to Lua. |
| 17:30.07 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 17:30.16 | Cholo71796 | I see, thanks clad |
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| 17:31.06 | Valaron|Work | I learned how to program in a MUD's LPC language. |
| 17:31.14 | Punkie` | Valaron|Work: Wow, me too :p |
| 17:31.37 | Punkie` | Fun language :) |
| 17:31.41 | Valaron|Work | Yeah :) |
| 17:31.43 | cladhaire | I learned to program in C, writing for a number of muds |
| 17:31.47 | Cidan | I started with a MUD in C, then moved on to ASM, then C++ |
| 17:31.48 | cladhaire | creating new systems for them |
| 17:31.53 | cladhaire | I used to run a long time ago on Asylum |
| 17:31.54 | cladhaire | and friends |
| 17:32.03 | Cidan | man, so many of us started with MUD's |
| 17:32.04 | Cidan | :P |
| 17:32.14 | Valaron|Work | Helped me get A's in early Computer Science classes. |
| 17:32.24 | Chaotic_D | not me. I started with GWBasic on a TRS-80! :D |
| 17:32.26 | cogwheel | I learned to program in QuickBASIC |
| 17:32.40 | Chaotic_D | and I never freakin got anywhere. |
| 17:32.45 | Punkie` | Valaron|Work: Can you remember which MUD, LPC wasn't that big if I remember right |
| 17:33.02 | Valaron|Work | Ancient Anguish. ancient.anguish.org 2222 |
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| 17:33.09 | Valaron|Work | I still log in every once in a while. |
| 17:33.13 | Chaotic_D | I FINALLY learned some important programming when I took college courses in C++. |
| 17:33.28 | zenzelezz | as ugly as it sounds, I learned coding in Visual Basic. Then moved on to C++ and was enlightened |
| 17:33.32 | Punkie` | Valaron|Work: I think I've heard of it, does it have intermud by any chance? :) |
| 17:33.36 | Valaron|Work | Yep |
| 17:34.20 | Punkie` | awesome, that was great :) |
| 17:34.26 | Chaotic_D | I went through QBasic and Pascal before C++. :S I never learned how to do graphics other than in DOS, and I just can't figure out graphics libraries in these modern C++ compilers. :P |
| 17:34.28 | Shirik | C++ was the first real language I learned |
| 17:34.33 | Shirik | I learned BASIC before that but I didn't really know anything |
| 17:34.41 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html <- well, josh gave me a good idea so i had to put it in :D |
| 17:34.47 | zenzelezz | most of my VB code was copy-paste from code sites |
| 17:34.47 | Shirik | and DBASE |
| 17:34.53 | Shirik | but again, didn't know anything real |
| 17:34.55 | foxlit | I, um, butchered VB code |
| 17:35.04 | foxlit | It was utterly horrible! |
| 17:35.37 | Shirik | good |
| 17:35.40 | Shirik | it deserves to be horrible anyway |
| 17:35.40 | Chaotic_D | awesome, mikma. :D you should put some interlude music in there. |
| 17:35.50 | TS|Skrom | hahaha mikma that's great |
| 17:36.08 | cladhaire | Anyone up for a puzzle? |
| 17:36.14 | Chaotic_D | yes. |
| 17:36.26 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/51628982f1f50373395af75df910cdad.lua |
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| 17:36.33 | cladhaire | whats wrong with that script, why won't it ever complete? |
| 17:36.36 | Cholo71796 | hey |
| 17:36.43 | cladhaire | it just sits churning CPU, without calling another lua function, ever |
| 17:36.47 | Cholo71796 | should i just skip this shit on how he started? |
| 17:36.53 | Cidan | no |
| 17:36.53 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:36.54 | Cidan | :D |
| 17:36.58 | Cholo71796 | Dang! |
| 17:36.59 | Cholo71796 | lol |
| 17:37.03 | cladhaire | you can skip the intro of the book |
| 17:37.09 | cladhaire | but start at the first real chapter, and go from there |
| 17:37.11 | cladhaire | get a feel for it. |
| 17:37.16 | Cholo71796 | kk |
| 17:37.37 | mikma | Chaotic_D: hehe. wtb elevatormusic |
| 17:39.49 | Cholo71796 | lol i already <3 python- lol - print "Hello, World!" |
| 17:40.23 | Cidan | hmm |
| 17:40.26 | Cidan | what to do... |
| 17:41.32 | Cholo71796 | Cidan just out of curiosity what abbreviation does Python use? |
| 17:41.41 | Cidan | ? |
| 17:41.42 | Cidan | for? |
| 17:41.50 | cogwheel | file extension? .py |
| 17:41.53 | Cholo71796 | oh |
| 17:41.54 | Cholo71796 | thx |
| 17:41.54 | Cidan | yeah |
| 17:42.07 | Cidan | I don't like Python much my self, so, eh |
| 17:42.11 | Cholo71796 | brb |
| 17:42.14 | Cidan | tbh never really used it |
| 17:43.07 | Chaotic_D | yeah. there's a few good intermission songs. there's Monty Python. there's Offspring. and there's this one from a "don't get shit-faced" Flash animation that I gotta look up. |
| 17:43.15 | Cholo71796 | wait, so where does python come into play? just an easy way to start? |
| 17:43.25 | Cidan | Cholo71796, it seems so. |
| 17:43.32 | Cidan | You don't use Python in WoW |
| 17:43.53 | Cholo71796 | Alright- but once I get good with it, it allows me to understand harder programming languages? |
| 17:44.16 | cogwheel | yep |
| 17:44.17 | foxlit | I'd argue that there is no such thing as a "hard programming language" :) |
| 17:44.25 | Cholo71796 | Haha. |
| 17:44.27 | Cidan | mmm, no programing language is "harder", per se, such as once you can grasp what it means to program, it won't matter. |
| 17:44.30 | Cholo71796 | I know- but you're good |
| 17:44.33 | foxlit | But yeah, once you get a grasp of how any one works, you'll feel better regarding the others too |
| 17:44.35 | Cidan | as it's all the same |
| 17:44.38 | Cholo71796 | just less clear and understandable |
| 17:44.40 | cogwheel | just like natural languages... once you've gotten one under your belt it makes it much easier to learn others |
| 17:44.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptr in a week? :O |
| 17:44.55 | cogwheel | s/one/one new one/ |
| 17:45.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless said programming language is pretty much english like mirc's is |
| 17:45.13 | foxlit | mirc's language is a steaming pile of... stuff. |
| 17:45.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish other stuff was as easy as mirc coding :[ |
| 17:45.23 | Chaotic_D | are you guys sending him after a wild ornithoid without cause? :S |
| 17:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that fox, i've heard plenty of people say it but haven't really heard much reason behind it |
| 17:45.40 | Chaotic_D | oops. it was untamed ornithoid. I RUINED EVERYTHING! |
| 17:45.55 | foxlit | Syntax makes virtually no sense |
| 17:46.02 | foxlit | To me, anyway, without reading the docs |
| 17:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone learns how to cook a turducken in their own way, Chaotic_D. |
| 17:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes more sense than anything else :[ |
| 17:46.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | lua makes my brain hurt |
| 17:46.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but mirc scriptingis like english to me |
| 17:46.29 | haste | mirc scripting :( |
| 17:46.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | with wow you've gotta register all these evens and bullshit |
| 17:46.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | with mirc you just go on event do this |
| 17:46.49 | Punkie` | Is 1 OnUpdate = 1 cpu cycle? |
| 17:46.51 | Rallion | IMO, the best first language is C |
| 17:46.55 | Rallion | no. |
| 17:46.56 | Cidan | no |
| 17:47.03 | Chaotic_D | well I would have thought it depends how much he wants to get out of programming. if he has no interest in every picking up programming again after this, perhaps he should go straight into Lua or at least a language similar enough to it if there is one. |
| 17:47.03 | Rallion | that would be...ridiculous. |
| 17:47.06 | Cidan | yeah |
| 17:47.06 | Punkie` | I thought so |
| 17:47.07 | Cidan | no kidding |
| 17:47.17 | zenzelezz | OnUpdate is one rendered frame, IIRC |
| 17:48.13 | Punkie` | What's the best way to pause for 2 seconds in a function? |
| 17:48.18 | Punkie` | (roughly) |
| 17:48.31 | foxlit | And since the docs are in WinHelp, it's not really helping |
| 17:48.39 | Punkie` | I've just been counting OnUpdates and I think that's a bad coding practice :p |
| 17:48.43 | foxlit | zenzelezz is correct |
| 17:49.01 | foxlit | OnUpdate handlers are called once per rendered frame |
| 17:49.07 | foxlit | (if the frame they belong to is visible) |
| 17:49.46 | Rallion | IMO Lua is an excellent high-level language |
| 17:50.08 | Chaotic_D | I mean me, I like to dabble, so while for a language I'm learning I need a specific way to apply it that I'm motivated to do, I can find plenty of them. MySQL, Perl, C++, Java, HTML... you can make databases, then put them online, then connect other things them. |
| 17:50.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't see how mirc scripting makes no sense :[ |
| 17:51.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've read almost no documentation and can do some really handy stuff |
| 17:51.02 | Chaotic_D | (that is, I can find plenty of ways of applying programming languages to something I would be interested in doing) |
| 17:51.05 | Rallion | my big thing is that, in the case of 'serious' programmers, it's best to start in a language that forces you to do your own memory-freeing. |
| 17:51.11 | Punkie` | foxlit: Is the best way to 'pause' by using OnUpdates? |
| 17:51.14 | Cidan | Rallion, ding |
| 17:51.59 | zenzelezz | pause how? |
| 17:52.12 | Punkie` | I'll explain a little better |
| 17:52.12 | Cidan | nothing will make you learn better than saying, "WTF, why does c point to jibberish?!" |
| 17:52.16 | pastamancer | Punkie`: for any sort of timer, you need to use an OnUpdate, but don't count the number of times it happens, the first arg is the elapsed time since the last OnUpdate |
| 17:52.45 | Punkie` | aha |
| 17:52.51 | Punkie` | Well I did try that |
| 17:52.52 | Cholo71796 | Alright, I've got to go, my grandpa is taking us kids out to lunch before my sister goes to college in like 4 days. Bye! |
| 17:52.59 | Rallion | I had the pleasure of going through late high-school / early college at a time when all the intro courses were being changed from C(++) to Java, so I encountered a lot of people who, at least in my eyes, had no idea what they were doing (or, more accurately, what the JVM was doing...) |
| 17:53.06 | Punkie` | But then I got some error that I couldn't add 1 to a table value |
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| 17:55.36 | Rallion | the all-OO aspect of Java was kind of a problem, too, I think, because it means you have to create an object to have a running program. that meant that people were putting in these 'standard' lines of code, but they didn't necessarily even know what they meant. I think they figured that out eventually, but it can make people feel really lost |
| 17:56.09 | Cidan | yar, no globals |
| 17:56.14 | Cidan | which you can get around |
| 17:56.19 | Cidan | by creating a static object |
| 17:56.21 | Rallion | yeah |
| 17:56.24 | Cidan | but still |
| 17:56.26 | pastamancer | Punkie`: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2016180/FrameXML/UnitWatch.lua look at SecureUnitWatch_OnUpdate |
| 17:56.29 | Cidan | at first you're like, ergghhh |
| 17:56.42 | Rallion | well, I'm still kinda like that |
| 17:56.52 | pastamancer | bah, learn scheme |
| 17:56.53 | Rallion | I'll make the static object, but Iwon't be totally comfortable with it |
| 17:57.04 | Punkie` | cheers pastamancer |
| 17:57.04 | Cidan | nor am I |
| 17:57.08 | Cidan | it feels "messy" |
| 17:57.22 | pastamancer | I use interfaces for static 'globals'. |
| 17:57.26 | Rallion | now I do most of my coding in .NET though, whenever suitable...the GUI stuff is just too easy |
| 17:57.45 | Rallion | argh! noooo! news has dropped that will FORCE me to buy Guitar Hero 3 |
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| 17:57.59 | Rallion | and I already have to get Rock Band |
| 17:58.05 | cogwheel | Yeah... I'm actually rather fond of C# |
| 17:58.45 | Rallion | the platform dependancy is a little unfortunate, but since my favorite thing is the GUI stuff, I think I'm stuck there. |
| 17:59.04 | Chaotic_D | I still think you guys shouldn't send kids off to learn Python when it's farther removed from what he's motivated to work at. you gotta work within people's interests. especially kids, who haven't learned this massive amount of patience that the technical world requires. |
| 17:59.12 | Rallion | Guitar Hero 3 will apparently include music by The Killers and Santana, so...shit. |
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| 18:00.58 | cladhaire | Chaotic_D: well, that bnook hasn't been written yet |
| 18:01.01 | cladhaire | plain and simple |
| 18:01.06 | cladhaire | Python is the next closest thing to Lua |
| 18:01.19 | cladhaire | and the book is well written |
| 18:01.21 | Chaotic_D | oh, I didn't know it was close. |
| 18:01.46 | cladhaire | Python is an interpreted scripting language, built from pedagogical roots |
| 18:01.48 | cladhaire | _similar_ |
| 18:01.52 | cladhaire | but closer than say, C or Scheme |
| 18:02.10 | cladhaire | the other two language that have a multitude of resources for learning. |
| 18:02.25 | cladhaire | I will be writing a version of HTTLACS as my next project, in Lua |
| 18:03.24 | cladhaire | or, the book we're writing right now would actualy be ideal for him. Its written for someone who is familiar with programming enough to know a few keywords, etc. and teaches them enough of Lua to learn how to program |
| 18:03.28 | cladhaire | addons, i mean |
| 18:04.10 | Chaotic_D | cool. I wouldn't mind seeing that either. :) |
| 18:04.39 | cladhaire | it'll be out in February, if things take as long as we're hoping they don't. |
| 18:04.51 | cladhaire | production for something like this is a nightmare.. the company takes so long :P |
| 18:05.31 | Chaotic_D | sucks. you can't do one of those self-publishing websites? |
| 18:05.54 | cogwheel | no money in that... |
| 18:06.06 | cogwheel | you have no idea how much work is going into this book... |
| 18:06.39 | Lunessa|working | I have a pretty good clue. :) I used to be an freelance technical writer/editor |
| 18:06.47 | cladhaire | cogwheel and Kaelten are my co-authors, and its been a bitch :P |
| 18:07.10 | Chaotic_D | well I don't know anything about Lua, but I hope it's used in lots of other places besides WoW. I know it's the most popular, but I wonder how much longer it will last. |
| 18:07.33 | Chaotic_D | the most popular MMORPG, that is. |
| 18:07.44 | cladhaire | Lua is used in plenty of places |
| 18:07.47 | Lunessa|working | Embedded/able languages have a long life span. |
| 18:07.52 | cladhaire | over 70% of Adobe Lightroom is written in Lua |
| 18:11.22 | Chaotic_D | I wonder if there's a market for hard-to-read clocks... |
| 18:11.34 | AnduinLothar | binary clock sells |
| 18:11.37 | cogwheel|away | yes |
| 18:11.43 | cogwheel|away | http://www.thinkgeek.com |
| 18:12.25 | Chaotic_D | yeah but it's binary. they buy it because it's binary. and they most likely are proficient in it, which is useful for more than merely reading novelty clocks. |
| 18:12.57 | Chaotic_D | they could make one of the Predator gauntlet computer. and that would sell because it's Predator, and that's bad-ass. |
| 18:14.39 | Chaotic_D | gotta make the plastic case, the customized light-piping segments. I was thinking of having rotating or plug/unpluggable sections. |
| 18:16.24 | Chaotic_D | and my font supports both upper and lowercase letters! in only... *counts* 8 LED segments per character! yes! highly inefficient! |
| 18:17.02 | Chaotic_D | hrm. then again, clocks use 7 segments... |
| 18:17.47 | Chaotic_D | no wait... I'm way off. it was 6 + 6 + 2. that's 14. XD |
| 18:18.35 | Rallion | roflcopter: "Next week GameTrailers covers FFX and the ultimate fashionista game for all those little boys who are going to try out for Project Runway in a few years: FF X-2." |
| 18:18.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | sooo |
| 18:18.56 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:19.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone remember suprnova? |
| 18:19.12 | Rallion | yes. |
| 18:19.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | iiiiiit's baaack |
| 18:19.21 | Rallion | but I have btjunkie now |
| 18:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just happy they are, i don't use sites like those hardly anymore but i'm glad to hear they weren't totally set back by the *AA |
| 18:20.23 | Rallion | I use them almost exclusively for TV shows |
| 18:20.33 | Rallion | ...almost |
| 18:21.09 | Rallion | things are different now that I actually work |
| 18:21.23 | Rallion | when I was a kid, I had no money and nothing but free time :P |
| 18:21.53 | Chaotic_D | it was still hard for me to find a Torrent of Deee-Lite. So hard. |
| 18:22.27 | Rallion | oooh |
| 18:22.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not that i buy stuff |
| 18:22.35 | Chaotic_D | So hard to find more obscure things. |
| 18:22.46 | Rallion | you didn't say that the new Suprnova will be run by Pirate Bay |
| 18:22.51 | Rallion | good stuff. |
| 18:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just that i'm still having too much fun playing wow and my 360 to steal stuff anymore |
| 18:22.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they have an alliance now, rallion |
| 18:23.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | not so much "run by" |
| 18:23.25 | Rallion | according to Wikipedia, "TorrentFreak announced that Suprnova's former owner had donated the domain to The Pirate Bay, which has plans to relaunch the site." |
| 18:23.45 | Chaotic_D | like... Transformers UK comics. can't find Torrents of that. I think there's sometimes ONE somewhere in the interweb. and it's usually not seeded. I think I sat on one of them for a month. |
| 18:23.49 | Rallion | heh I have a massive backlog of games that I've stolen and just don't really care to play |
| 18:24.11 | Rallion | so I just kinda stopped. no point. |
| 18:24.15 | Chaotic_D | WoW: The Timewaster. |
| 18:24.34 | Chaotic_D | *grind grind grind* |
| 18:24.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i guess you're right, rall |
| 18:25.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i misread it |
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| 18:31.30 | cogwheel | I love this clock: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/91f2/ |
| 18:31.47 | cogwheel | I needed one of those in high school for my friend who was always late picking me up... |
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| 18:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | Scary alarm clock, Cogwheel. I like. My cat would hate. |
| 18:34.41 | Rallion | all the more reason to buy! |
| 18:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | She has to meet a toddler this weekend. I try to limit my major traumas to one per week. |
| 18:35.17 | Chaotic_D | that wouldn't work in my room. there's nowhere for it to run! hahahah! |
| 18:35.56 | Lunessa|working | cogwheel: I need that clock. |
| 18:36.35 | Cairenn | ah, that one |
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| 18:44.20 | Kaydeethree | ah, yelling at idiots is theraputic |
| 18:44.36 | cladhaire | anyone speaks german? |
| 18:44.39 | Shirik | woot |
| 18:44.39 | cladhaire | whats this mean: AURAADDEDOTHERHARMFUL = "%1$s ist von %2$s betroffen."; -- Combat log text for aura events |
| 18:44.47 | Shirik | inner focus shadow word pain = win arena |
| 18:44.50 | Cidan | uh |
| 18:45.02 | Cidan | it's the combat log text for aura events. |
| 18:45.02 | cladhaire | nvm |
| 18:45.04 | cladhaire | AURAADDEDOTHERHARMFUL = "%s is afflicted by %s."; -- Combat log text for aura events |
| 18:45.06 | cladhaire | thats what it means |
| 18:45.07 | Cidan | I do believe. |
| 18:45.10 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 18:45.14 | cladhaire | whats the direct translation for it i'm wondering |
| 18:45.25 | cladhaire | i.e. how does it translate back to english from the german phrase |
| 18:45.46 | Punkie` | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/lebedev.shtml <--- seriously they can sell that? :P |
| 18:46.08 | Kaydeethree | look real close at the url |
| 18:46.30 | Cidan | ist von is ~ "is of" |
| 18:46.38 | Punkie` | yeah, I know it's lebedev |
| 18:46.59 | Cidan | no idea what betroffen is. :( |
| 18:47.02 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 18:47.23 | cladhaire | oh damnit |
| 18:47.25 | cladhaire | i can't use that one anyway |
| 18:47.28 | cladhaire | it doesn't swap args :P |
| 18:47.33 | Cidan | :x |
| 18:47.33 | zenzelezz | sounds like "hit" of some sort |
| 18:47.37 | zenzelezz | but that's me guessing |
| 18:47.37 | Cidan | no |
| 18:47.41 | Cidan | more like uh |
| 18:47.45 | Shirik | !ap 1536 |
| 18:47.45 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1536 is, 2v2: 291, 3v3: 332, 5v5: 415 |
| 18:47.48 | Cidan | concerned kinda, but not really |
| 18:47.50 | zenzelezz | hit, affected, ... |
| 18:47.53 | cladhaire | AURADISPELOTHER = "'%2$s' von %1$s wurde entfernt."; |
| 18:47.55 | cladhaire | this one instead |
| 18:47.57 | Lunessa|working | zomg - that's f'ing funny. It's based on the mistaken theories of the 1800s that formed the basis of Mary Shelly's Frankenstien |
| 18:48.03 | Kaydeethree | I wonder how long I'll be able to get away with http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134197342&postId=11336861172&sid=1#3 |
| 18:48.26 | Rallion | Punkie, look at the availabiliy of that item |
| 18:48.47 | Rallion | well, off to work |
| 18:49.10 | Rallion | i'll be back in 7 hours to bitch about how Bioshock full version doesn't run properly. |
| 18:50.27 | Kaydeethree | part of me really wishes I had the hardware to run bioshock |
| 18:51.24 | Cidan | It's a really good game |
| 18:51.28 | Cidan | lives up to all the hype |
| 18:51.34 | Cidan | waiting on steam to unlock |
| 18:57.27 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping |
| 18:58.44 | cladhaire | pong |
| 18:59.37 | cladhaire | Shirik: pong |
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| 19:01.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh |
| 19:01.28 | Shirik | cladhaire: Never mind I figured it out. GC occurs at 110% right? |
| 19:01.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope i don't wake up at midnight, but i'm so freakin tired |
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| 19:03.42 | cladhaire | Shirik: GC begins at 110 |
| 19:03.46 | cladhaire | it doesn't "occur" |
| 19:03.47 | Shirik | that's what I mean |
| 19:03.50 | cladhaire | its an incremental process |
| 19:03.51 | cladhaire | then yes :P |
| 19:03.56 | cladhaire | that value is tuneable |
| 19:04.01 | cladhaire | and its easy to turn it off entirely |
| 19:04.07 | Shirik | bad idea >.> |
| 19:04.14 | cladhaire | hehe :P |
| 19:04.17 | Shirik | unless testing something of course |
| 19:04.28 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.79) |
| 19:05.44 | Kaydeethree | heh... I've heard of backhoe-induced network outages, but shotguns? |
| 19:06.16 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.20 | Kaydeethree | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/082107-gunplay-blamed-for-internet.html |
| 19:06.31 | Chaotic_D | is there any way to send voice over a voice chat app without speaking into a mic? like for those times when you're up late and your roommate is sleeping? |
| 19:06.51 | Valaron|Work | Hook it up to your CD player. |
| 19:06.56 | Valaron|Work | the Mic in |
| 19:07.03 | Osagasu | It's called whispering. >.> |
| 19:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could always use text-to-speech binds |
| 19:08.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but your raid would probably tire of microsoft sam |
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| 19:09.49 | [dRaCo] | just record your standard sentences |
| 19:10.45 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 19:10.48 | Cidan | "WHAT THE FUCK" |
| 19:10.49 | Cidan | and |
| 19:10.54 | Cidan | "CHRIST, HEAL ME NOW!" |
| 19:11.02 | Cidan | are pretty much all you need for a raid. |
| 19:11.15 | Osagasu | FIFTY DEE KAY PEE MINUS! |
| 19:12.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used to just randomly slap the ASFFUIFUIHFFHFGUFH button mid boss fight occsionally |
| 19:12.40 | Cholo71796 | Back |
| 19:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | WHO IS DOING THAT? STOP IT! AGHRHGH! |
| 19:13.03 | Chaotic_D | yeah. how do I playback a prerecorded message over voice chat? |
| 19:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | in vent it's in bindings |
| 19:13.21 | Chaotic_D | really?? wow. |
| 19:13.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 19:13.25 | [dRaCo] | TS doesnt support that by default |
| 19:13.34 | [dRaCo] | there are ways to do it anyway, though |
| 19:13.39 | Chaotic_D | I haven't used Vent since I played Ryzom two years ago. |
| 19:13.48 | TS|Skrom | man that game blew |
| 19:14.24 | Cidan | yes |
| 19:14.24 | Chaotic_D | hahahah. I liked it. it was kind of shallow, but I loved the atmosphere. |
| 19:14.26 | Cidan | yes it did |
| 19:14.42 | Cidan | so I have a newb question |
| 19:14.54 | Cidan | I haven't actually leveled in 4 months, where should a level 64 go? |
| 19:15.00 | Chaotic_D | I liked the class-less system, the "freedom" of deciding what the cost of your actions were. |
| 19:15.07 | Cholo71796 | terrokar |
| 19:15.22 | Cidan | Then that is where I shall go |
| 19:15.30 | TS|Skrom | The cost of my actions were always the same: Self doubt and asking myself "why am I playing this shit?" |
| 19:15.56 | Cidan | oh man |
| 19:15.59 | Cidan | bioshock in 45 min |
| 19:16.00 | Cidan | :x |
| 19:16.01 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:16.05 | Osagasu | :D |
| 19:16.06 | Osagasu | :< |
| 19:16.09 | Osagasu | I'm jealous. |
| 19:16.26 | Chaotic_D | not those actions! combat actions. |
| 19:16.47 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:16.48 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 19:16.51 | TS|Skrom | creeeeepy |
| 19:16.51 | Cholo71796 | 03Test? |
| 19:16.59 | Cholo71796 | 00Poop |
| 19:17.00 | Cidan | Cholo71796, colors are frowned upon, :P |
| 19:17.02 | Osagasu | Shrubbery! |
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| 19:17.12 | Cholo71796 | 05What? |
| 19:17.19 | Cholo71796 | 07Lol |
| 19:17.20 | Cidan | Colors are frowned upon |
| 19:17.21 | Osagasu | Bring me a SHRUBBERY! |
| 19:17.26 | TS|Skrom | <3's trillian and didn't even know it did that! |
| 19:17.28 | Cidan | As in, we don't like them |
| 19:17.37 | Osagasu | As in stop. |
| 19:17.39 | Cholo71796 | 02Chop down the tallest tree in the forest with- A HERRING! |
| 19:17.41 | Cidan | Right |
| 19:17.46 | Cholo71796 | Oh poo. |
| 19:17.51 | Chaotic_D | "I told him the princess was in another castle" (that's Monty Python related, sort of) |
| 19:18.14 | Osagasu | Hm... |
| 19:18.24 | Cholo71796 | * testerr |
| 19:18.26 | Cholo71796 | there |
| 19:18.28 | Cholo71796 | back to black |
| 19:19.21 | Osagasu | You're white to me. |
| 19:19.26 | Osagasu | BWahahahaha |
| 19:19.36 | Chaotic_D | light grey here. |
| 19:19.37 | Cholo71796 | Oh no. |
| 19:19.43 | Cidan | Is it sad that I don't want to level 'til we finish Conspiracy? :( |
| 19:19.44 | Shirik | Cholo71796: Please, no colors |
| 19:19.46 | Shirik | Seriously |
| 19:19.55 | Cholo71796 | IM NOT TALKING IN COLORS |
| 19:19.57 | Cholo71796 | GODDAMN |
| 19:19.59 | Shirik | you were |
| 19:20.05 | Osagasu | We got him to stop. |
| 19:20.05 | Cholo71796 | LIKE 10 MINUTES AGO |
| 19:20.08 | Osagasu | Please drop it. |
| 19:20.09 | Cairenn | easy guys |
| 19:20.10 | Cidan | Cholo71796, don't lose your temper |
| 19:20.11 | Cholo71796 | PLEASE STFU BITCH |
| 19:20.14 | cogwheel | wtf? why aren't there any trainable JC recipes from 150-170? |
| 19:20.15 | Cairenn | Chompers: enough |
| 19:20.18 | Cidan | what... |
| 19:20.18 | Shirik | wow. |
| 19:20.19 | Cidan | the fuck |
| 19:20.20 | Osagasu | Wow. |
| 19:20.26 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:20.31 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:20.37 | Cairenn | Chompers: sorry, that was at cholo, but he left |
| 19:21.24 | Punkie` | That guy was winding everyone up since the start imho :P |
| 19:21.29 | Cidan | shh |
| 19:21.30 | Cidan | :P |
| 19:21.37 | Osagasu | He's gone, no more. Please. |
| 19:21.42 | Valaron|Work | Who? |
| 19:21.43 | Cidan | let us no dread the past, but look towards the future |
| 19:21.43 | Valaron|Work | What? |
| 19:21.44 | Osagasu | I like this place a drama free channel. |
| 19:21.50 | Cidan | no==not |
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| 19:22.02 | Shirik | Oh please, it's never been drama free, what with us all fighting over Cairenn |
| 19:22.10 | Osagasu | True enough. |
| 19:22.14 | Valaron|Work | Well. True dat |
| 19:22.22 | Cidan | Now that Shirik is a few minutes away, I can stab him |
| 19:22.28 | Osagasu | Fortunately I'm not anymore. xP |
| 19:22.33 | Shirik | you have no idea where I am |
| 19:22.38 | Cidan | I can find you |
| 19:22.40 | Cidan | I have your name |
| 19:22.45 | Osagasu | Creeepyyyy. |
| 19:22.46 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.48 | Shirik | and even if I gave you my address |
| 19:22.51 | Cidan | And your dad. |
| 19:22.54 | Shirik | I bet you still couldn't find my house |
| 19:23.04 | Osagasu | Children, Children! |
| 19:23.07 | Cidan | You underestimate my tracking ability, :P |
| 19:23.21 | Shirik | you underestimate my neighborhood |
| 19:23.21 | Valaron|Work | Huntar! |
| 19:23.31 | Osagasu | Suburban family? |
| 19:23.45 | Cidan | Shirik, PF Changs was totally eh, so/so last night |
| 19:23.45 | Shirik | google earth it, my address is listed as the tech contact for guardianhq.com |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik | =) |
| 19:23.50 | Cidan | I don't think I'm going back there for a while |
| 19:23.54 | Shirik | I liked it |
| 19:24.01 | Kaydeethree | are you still in dialup hell re: net access, shirik? |
| 19:24.08 | Shirik | then again I didn't have SingaporeStreetNoodles |
| 19:24.13 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:24.14 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: Negative :) |
| 19:24.21 | Osagasu | So... Any nifty new addons I've missed? >.> |
| 19:24.36 | Cidan | (pimps) www.conspiracy-ui.com |
| 19:24.39 | Cidan | not out yet though |
| 19:24.41 | Cidan | we're gettin' there |
| 19:25.03 | Shirik | it's made significant progress in the past few days |
| 19:25.16 | Valaron|Work | Someone posted about a Hello Kitty UI |
| 19:25.16 | Cholo71796 | Where can i download a Python reader/converter/user type thing? |
| 19:25.17 | Shirik | I reckon shortly it should be viable for module authors to code if they so desire |
| 19:25.34 | Kaydeethree | http://python.org |
| 19:26.22 | Osagasu | It's an RDX based mod? o.O |
| 19:26.26 | Cidan | no |
| 19:26.33 | Cairenn | Cidan/Shirik: while technically not incorrect, I'd consider changing this" "The end result was a functional UI, but ridden with underlying problems." to "riddled with" |
| 19:26.35 | Cidan | it's a replacement to RDX.Cid |
| 19:26.40 | Cidan | er |
| 19:26.41 | Cidan | yes |
| 19:26.45 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 19:26.55 | Cidan | True, both are valid |
| 19:26.59 | Cidan | but the latter does sound better |
| 19:27.13 | Chaotic_D | isn't ridden meaning they're riding it? |
| 19:27.30 | Cidan | not in that sense |
| 19:27.52 | Cidan | also |
| 19:27.55 | Cidan | I want a cat |
| 19:27.56 | Cidan | :( |
| 19:28.03 | Valaron|Work | Hmm |
| 19:28.25 | Osagasu | Okay, so it's an original replacement to an RDX based mod. |
| 19:28.28 | Punkie` | Cidan: Order a chinese meal, it's mostly cat |
| 19:28.29 | Shirik | Cairenn: He wrote it not me. I take zero responsibility *looks innocent* |
| 19:28.35 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:28.39 | Cidan | no |
| 19:28.43 | Shirik | Osagasu: That's an understatement |
| 19:28.43 | Cairenn | I know someone who has one to give away - however, given that the person is here in Ottawa, that makes it rather infeasible |
| 19:28.50 | Shirik | But what RDX.Cid did, Conspiracy will be able to do |
| 19:29.04 | Cholo71796 | Alright i downloaded the thing from python.org but now it just wants me to select a program to open it with |
| 19:29.06 | Cidan | RDX.Cid was a fork of the last free version of RDX before it went "pay 7.50 per month" |
| 19:29.12 | Shirik | oh that's it? |
| 19:29.16 | Shirik | I thought it was more |
| 19:29.19 | Shirik | still it's annoying |
| 19:29.26 | Cidan | Shh. |
| 19:29.45 | Shirik | I still wouldn't pay it |
| 19:29.54 | Cidan | Not would I |
| 19:30.13 | Punkie` | I didn't understand it really, you mainly had to trust your buyers not to give it out really :) |
| 19:30.21 | Punkie` | Unless I'm missing something important |
| 19:30.42 | Cidan | Also |
| 19:30.43 | Chaotic_D | @_@; |
| 19:30.48 | Cholo71796 | how can i open the python software? |
| 19:30.48 | Cidan | everyone needs to know this |
| 19:30.53 | Cidan | Cairenn, you too |
| 19:30.54 | Cholo71796 | i downloaded it but... |
| 19:30.59 | Cidan | Shirik has the most beautiful eyes. |
| 19:31.04 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:31.05 | Valaron|Work | Read the instructions |
| 19:31.06 | Chaotic_D | Why are you in my city? |
| 19:31.12 | Cidan | They are this beautiful shade of blue. |
| 19:31.32 | Cholo71796 | There are no instructions. |
| 19:31.42 | Cidan | man |
| 19:31.50 | Cidan | he's got issues. |
| 19:31.51 | Cidan | anyways |
| 19:32.03 | Osagasu | People don't tend to like to change raid mods |
| 19:32.08 | Cidan | heh, does anyone else think of the angry german kid playing UT2004? |
| 19:32.13 | Cidan | :x |
| 19:32.18 | Osagasu | It was hell to try to get my guild to move to Omen |
| 19:32.22 | Shirik | Osagasu: Well aware of that, but at the very least, those sing RDX.Cid are likely to switch |
| 19:32.26 | Shirik | And I know for sure I'll force TG to switch |
| 19:32.29 | Osagasu | Fair enough |
| 19:32.33 | Shirik | otherwise they ain't getting any new modules |
| 19:32.41 | Cidan | And not just that, but as better things come along, people do try them. |
| 19:32.51 | Cidan | And we do feel our UI will be better. |
| 19:33.06 | Valaron|Work | http://python.org/doc/ Cholo71796 |
| 19:33.12 | Cidan | Valaron|Work, he /quit |
| 19:33.18 | Valaron|Work | Bah |
| 19:33.27 | Punkie` | I've never personally tried it, but for the most of it I heard that RDX had performance issues |
| 19:33.34 | Punkie` | no idea if that was true |
| 19:33.58 | Osagasu | Generally speaking, I feel that a mod that takes everything into consideration and links it all together starts off ahead of a series of mods that simply compliment each other. But many don't feel that way. |
| 19:34.06 | Saint-N | holy christ |
| 19:34.09 | Cidan | RDX.Cid we worked on and got to a level where it was okay, but it just wasn't good enough. |
| 19:34.26 | Saint-N | what kind of moron makes a live cd for thier distro and doesnt tell you what the root passwd is |
| 19:34.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:34.36 | Cidan | Saint-N, noob. |
| 19:34.37 | Osagasu | Nice. |
| 19:34.46 | Cidan | sudu passwd root |
| 19:34.46 | Valaron|Work | Ubuntu! |
| 19:34.48 | Cidan | er |
| 19:34.50 | Cidan | sudo |
| 19:34.59 | Cidan | :P |
| 19:35.01 | Cidan | silly man |
| 19:35.08 | Saint-N | if i cant get into the system cuz the xorg driver is borked how does that help me ;P |
| 19:35.16 | Shirik | you fool |
| 19:35.17 | Saint-N | cidan: sudo shush |
| 19:35.20 | Shirik | it's sudo root |
| 19:35.24 | Cidan | no |
| 19:35.26 | Shirik | yes! |
| 19:35.32 | Cidan | login as ubuntu |
| 19:35.33 | Osagasu | NOYES |
| 19:35.33 | Saint-N | make me a sammich |
| 19:35.34 | Cidan | no password |
| 19:35.35 | Shirik | Putting your password on the same line is evil |
| 19:35.35 | Saint-N | no |
| 19:35.37 | Cidan | then sudo |
| 19:35.40 | Saint-N | sudo make me a sammich |
| 19:35.42 | Saint-N | okay! |
| 19:35.53 | Valaron|Work | ok |
| 19:35.57 | Osagasu | ~botsnack |
| 19:35.57 | purl | Osagasu: aw, gee |
| 19:36.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cholo71796 (n=Cholo717@c-75-72-2-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:36.56 | Cholo71796 | Aye, Back! |
| 19:37.27 | Punkie` | We are extatic |
| 19:37.32 | Cholo71796 | If only learning to program was like eating cookies. |
| 19:38.04 | Cidan | Cholo71796, so how is Minnesota this time of the year? |
| 19:38.21 | Cholo71796 | Aye, how do ye know I be in MN? |
| 19:38.32 | Cidan | I'm an expert in all things. |
| 19:38.36 | Cidan | I can see everything. |
| 19:38.47 | Cholo71796 | Is there something in me IP Address? |
| 19:38.53 | Cholo71796 | lollzllzozzlz |
| 19:38.59 | Valaron|Work | He's a supa-spy. |
| 19:39.02 | Cidan | ...I wouldn't laugh if I were you. |
| 19:39.03 | Shirik | huh |
| 19:39.05 | Shirik | never seen this before |
| 19:39.07 | Shirik | "Target is tapped" |
| 19:39.12 | Cholo71796 | How did ye know? |
| 19:39.19 | Cidan | I have methods. |
| 19:39.25 | Cholo71796 | grrr |
| 19:39.29 | Punkie` | Shirik: That happens when you try and use a quest item on a tapped mob usually |
| 19:39.41 | Cidan | or if the mob is just tapped |
| 19:39.45 | Cholo71796 | CIDAN |
| 19:39.47 | Cidan | by someone other than you/your party. |
| 19:39.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg_ (i=chuckg@66-239-58-32.starstream.net) |
| 19:39.54 | Cholo71796 | Tell me... please... |
| 19:40.00 | Cidan | Fine |
| 19:40.03 | Cholo71796 | Pwetty pwease? |
| 19:40.05 | Cholo71796 | Hooway! |
| 19:40.08 | Cidan | Do you want to know how to be an ereet hax0r? |
| 19:40.11 | Cidan | I shall show you. |
| 19:40.14 | Cholo71796 | Yesswir |
| 19:40.18 | Cidan | *** Cholo71796 (n=Cholo717@c-75-72-2-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined |
| 19:40.23 | Cidan | mn.comcase.net |
| 19:40.26 | Cholo71796 | err. |
| 19:40.26 | Cidan | er, comcast. |
| 19:40.27 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:40.27 | TS|Skrom | ccc |
| 19:40.29 | Valaron|Work | Hahah! |
| 19:40.30 | herzogthc | yay ok I am so totally not working for hte remainder of the day |
| 19:40.30 | Cholo71796 | How you do that? |
| 19:40.35 | herzogthc | wasup shirik |
| 19:40.52 | Cholo71796 | mn.comcase.net |
| 19:40.54 | Cholo71796 | hmm? |
| 19:40.58 | Cidan | comcast, rather. |
| 19:40.59 | Cholo71796 | i don't understand |
| 19:41.06 | Cholo71796 | mn.comcast.net |
| 19:41.08 | Cholo71796 | so? |
| 19:41.15 | Cidan | MN == your state |
| 19:41.22 | Cholo71796 | i know |
| 19:41.26 | Cholo71796 | but how did you find that |
| 19:41.27 | Cholo71796 | ? |
| 19:41.31 | herzogthc | Cholo71796: he's talking about the implication that you're in minnesota whereas my comcast info indicates tenn :) |
| 19:41.38 | Cholo71796 | i see that |
| 19:41.40 | Cidan | when you are on IRC, your IP is known to all |
| 19:41.44 | Cholo71796 | but where did he find that link |
| 19:41.45 | Cidan | for example, /whois Cidan |
| 19:41.49 | Cholo71796 | oh >.< |
| 19:41.51 | herzogthc | Cidan: that's what bnc is for. |
| 19:42.02 | Cholo71796 | it's not doiing anything |
| 19:42.04 | Cidan | herzogthc, Pharos is a good friend of mine, actually |
| 19:42.08 | Kaydeethree | check your status window |
| 19:42.13 | Cidan | herzogthc, I've known him for years. |
| 19:42.14 | Cholo71796 | Status window? |
| 19:42.27 | Cidan | Cholo71796, what IRC client are you using, per chance? |
| 19:42.31 | Cholo71796 | Eh? |
| 19:42.31 | Shirik | 12[whois: Cholo7179612] |
| 19:42.31 | Shirik | › name: Cholo71796 |
| 19:42.31 | Shirik | › address: n=Cholo7172@c-75-72-2-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net |
| 19:42.35 | Shirik | it's pretty evident |
| 19:42.43 | Cholo71796 | i don't know. |
| 19:42.52 | Cidan | [15:42] Cidan is i=feh@ip68-98-130-180.dc.dc.cox.net |
| 19:42.56 | Cidan | I'm in DC area. |
| 19:42.58 | Osagasu | n=Cholo717@c-75-72-2-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net |
| 19:43.03 | Osagasu | see the bold. |
| 19:43.05 | Cholo71796 | yes |
| 19:43.07 | Cholo71796 | i see |
| 19:43.08 | herzogthc | whats the ctcp client request? :( |
| 19:43.09 | herzogthc | I forgot. |
| 19:43.11 | Kaydeethree | huh, weird. your client doesn't respond to ctcp version requests |
| 19:43.12 | herzogthc | it's been too long. |
| 19:43.13 | Cholo71796 | anyway, how does that appear? |
| 19:43.16 | herzogthc | version |
| 19:43.16 | herzogthc | ah |
| 19:43.18 | herzogthc | that's it! |
| 19:43.25 | herzogthc | thx kd |
| 19:43.25 | Cholo71796 | i can type /whois herzogthc |
| 19:43.28 | Shirik | ctcp VERSION |
| 19:43.29 | Cholo71796 | but nothing happens |
| 19:43.30 | Cidan | Yes, yes you can. |
| 19:43.36 | Cidan | Well, let's see. |
| 19:43.42 | Cidan | You don't know what client you are using |
| 19:43.43 | Kaydeethree | if you have any other chat windows open, check them |
| 19:43.45 | herzogthc | it means your client has a status window it's dumping the output to probably. |
| 19:43.45 | Cidan | Ah, what are you typing into? |
| 19:43.51 | Shirik | 152:432:34 » 12[CTCP VERSION reply from Cholo7179612]: PJIRC 2.2.1 |
| 19:43.54 | Cholo71796 | right here! |
| 19:44.01 | Cidan | PJIRC is your client, hmm |
| 19:44.02 | Kaydeethree | bah. a java client |
| 19:44.04 | Cidan | ahhh |
| 19:44.06 | Cidan | That's why |
| 19:44.08 | Cholo71796 | what?!?!? |
| 19:44.11 | Cidan | you're chatting off of a website |
| 19:44.13 | Cholo71796 | i don't understand |
| 19:44.15 | Cidan | it's rather limited |
| 19:44.21 | Cholo71796 | yes |
| 19:44.22 | Cholo71796 | i am |
| 19:44.27 | Cidan | see, there are these programs you can run on your computer, called "clients" |
| 19:44.31 | Cholo71796 | Cogwheel told me to come here for help |
| 19:44.34 | Cidan | they are JUST for chatting |
| 19:44.39 | Cholo71796 | yes |
| 19:44.41 | Shirik | Cholo71796: Do you use windows? |
| 19:44.47 | Cholo71796 | Windows XP |
| 19:44.48 | Cidan | Shirik, is that a serious question? |
| 19:44.51 | Cholo71796 | lol |
| 19:44.52 | Shirik | http://www.mirc.com |
| 19:44.53 | Cholo71796 | MAC FTL |
| 19:44.57 | Cidan | See? |
| 19:44.58 | Cidan | :P |
| 19:44.59 | Saint-N | what cog actually said was "if you come here you'll need help" |
| 19:45.03 | herzogthc | theres a cocoa irc client |
| 19:45.06 | herzogthc | that looks really neat. |
| 19:45.12 | herzogthc | but whateva |
| 19:45.12 | Cidan | anyways, go download mirc.com |
| 19:45.22 | Cidan | and use that to connect, you'll like it much better |
| 19:45.22 | Kaydeethree | bah, don't overcomplicate things |
| 19:45.23 | Cholo71796 | ok... |
| 19:45.39 | Cidan | Kaydeethree, shh, we teach him in the ways of... er, leet-fu? |
| 19:45.54 | herzogthc | heh whyd you even join wowi-lounge? :) |
| 19:45.58 | herzogthc | just kinda curious |
| 19:46.06 | herzogthc | I got asked the same when I joined |
| 19:46.12 | Cidan | He wants to learn to code, I think. |
| 19:46.14 | Saint-N | i didnt |
| 19:46.21 | Chaotic_D | nobody asked me |
| 19:46.29 | Cholo71796 | I downloaded MIRC |
| 19:46.29 | Saint-N | i came here cuz cairenn promised me boobie pics ;P |
| 19:46.32 | Cidan | Install it |
| 19:46.35 | Cidan | rofl |
| 19:46.35 | herzogthc | I also came in here and talked to people as if I knew them |
| 19:46.39 | Cairenn | I did not! |
| 19:46.53 | Cholo71796 | That's what i meant |
| 19:46.57 | Saint-N | and it was the most awesome picture of a blue footed boobie family i'd ever seen ;P |
| 19:46.58 | Cidan | okay, run it |
| 19:47.05 | Cholo71796 | now? |
| 19:47.08 | Cidan | now. |
| 19:47.14 | Cholo71796 | why should i give these thieves my info?! |
| 19:47.22 | Cidan | shh, trust me okay? |
| 19:47.24 | cogwheel | Cholo71796: do you use firefox? |
| 19:47.25 | Shirik | you don't have o really |
| 19:47.29 | Kaydeethree | lie. you're not giving anyone real information |
| 19:47.33 | Cholo71796 | InternetExplorer lol |
| 19:47.40 | Kaydeethree | my real name as far as my client is concerned is "Do you really want to know?" |
| 19:47.43 | herzogthc | oh and you talk about giving thieves info lol |
| 19:47.49 | Shirik | I don't even remember what my name is |
| 19:47.50 | Cidan | and I use "feh" as my real name |
| 19:47.54 | Cidan | and email |
| 19:47.58 | Cidan | so don't put real info there |
| 19:48.01 | Shirik | oh, Shirik |
| 19:48.06 | Shirik | and my email is nospam@nospam.com |
| 19:48.12 | herzogthc | ya my names will smith |
| 19:48.12 | herzogthc | even if you find my city |
| 19:48.13 | Shirik | poor guys over there are probably getting flooded |
| 19:48.14 | herzogthc | g/l finding me ;) |
| 19:48.36 | Shirik | herzogthc |
| 19:48.40 | Shirik | you live in Tennessee |
| 19:48.46 | Shirik | it's not like there are that many cities to go through |
| 19:48.52 | Shirik | =P |
| 19:48.53 | Cholo71796 | k i put in fake info |
| 19:48.55 | Saint-N | mines me@stuff.com |
| 19:49.00 | herzogthc | yeah but theres like over 200 will smiths in my local phonebook |
| 19:49.00 | Cidan | kk, hit OK |
| 19:49.07 | herzogthc | and I'm not even one of them lol |
| 19:49.12 | Cidan | on that white window you see |
| 19:49.17 | Cidan | I want you to type this. |
| 19:49.20 | Saint-N | hrm hrm hrm |
| 19:49.25 | Cidan | type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 19:49.29 | herzogthc | shirik: However, I am NOT challenging you |
| 19:49.32 | Cairenn | mine's cairenn@*interface.com where * = whichever one I feel is most appropriate to the situation |
| 19:49.36 | herzogthc | I trust in you all |
| 19:49.36 | Shirik | aww =( |
| 19:49.40 | herzogthc | ok bitchx is fucking up brb |
| 19:49.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge herzogthc (i=wsmith@c-75-66-44-85.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 19:49.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge herzogthc (i=wsmith@c-75-66-44-85.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 19:49.48 | herzogthc | lessee if this is any better |
| 19:49.50 | Cidan | I wish my client supported IPv6 |
| 19:49.52 | herzogthc | ok |
| 19:49.53 | Cidan | :( |
| 19:49.54 | herzogthc | that's a lot better |
| 19:50.07 | herzogthc | oh cidan you and shirik would get a kick out of this |
| 19:50.12 | Cidan | ? |
| 19:50.14 | herzogthc | you hear about the fiber cable that got shot up in cleveland? |
| 19:50.18 | Cidan | no? |
| 19:50.20 | Cidan | wtf? |
| 19:50.44 | Shirik | "shot up" ? |
| 19:50.49 | Shirik | as in like, with bullets? |
| 19:51.00 | Cidan | it was... bad fiber? |
| 19:51.00 | herzogthc | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=-07/08/21/1531216&from=rss |
| 19:51.02 | Cholo71796 | what's the 'channel name" |
| 19:51.07 | Shirik | Cholo71796: #wowi-lounge |
| 19:51.14 | Cidan | close that window Cholo71796 |
| 19:51.17 | Cidan | and on the white window |
| 19:51.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Fuhqbitch (n=Fuhq@c-75-72-2-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:51.20 | Fuhqbitch | Hey |
| 19:51.22 | Fuhqbitch | yay |
| 19:51.24 | Cidan | type /join #wowi-lounge |
| 19:51.24 | Fuhqbitch | this is cholo |
| 19:51.26 | Cidan | oh |
| 19:51.27 | Cidan | hi |
| 19:51.27 | Shirik | herzogthc: Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. |
| 19:51.27 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:51.32 | Shirik | =( |
| 19:51.36 | Cidan | isn't this much better? |
| 19:51.39 | herzogthc | man motherfucker i hate typing links |
| 19:51.40 | herzogthc | hold on |
| 19:51.42 | Cidan | close the web browser thing |
| 19:51.47 | Fuhqbitch | kk |
| 19:51.47 | Kaydeethree | watch the language |
| 19:52.01 | herzogthc | sorry |
| 19:52.02 | Cairenn | yeah, no fucking swearing in here, assholes |
| 19:52.05 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:52.06 | Fuhqbitch | lol! |
| 19:52.10 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:52.11 | Kaydeethree | bah, that wasn't even supposed to be in here |
| 19:52.22 | Shirik | ~lart Kaydeethree |
| 19:52.22 | purl | beats Kaydeethree senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 19:52.24 | Fuhqbitch | I see |
| 19:52.25 | Fuhqbitch | so |
| 19:52.31 | Lunessa|working | damn it Cairenn How the hell am I supposed to convey ideas and emotion then? Crap! |
| 19:52.32 | herzogthc | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1531216&from=rss |
| 19:52.33 | Cidan | now Fuhqbitch, I know it's all cool to curse, but uh, can you change your nick to something, I dunno, nicer? |
| 19:52.37 | herzogthc | that link :) |
| 19:52.38 | herzogthc | there we go |
| 19:52.42 | Fuhqbitch | does anybody want to make a mod for me while i learn Python? |
| 19:52.43 | Fuhqbitch | :D |
| 19:52.47 | Cidan | no, :P |
| 19:52.51 | Cairenn | joking aside, I agree with Cidan's request |
| 19:52.51 | cogwheel | how much you paying? |
| 19:53.10 | Cidan | Fuhqbitch, type /nick <something else> |
| 19:53.10 | Fuhqbitch | 0c? |
| 19:53.16 | Shirik | ust... wow. |
| 19:53.20 | herzogthc | Shirik: Yah |
| 19:53.20 | Cidan | Something cleaner, please. |
| 19:53.22 | Fuhqbitch | hey |
| 19:53.30 | herzogthc | that affected our production servers |
| 19:53.31 | Shirik | I am, however, amused that it only caused a "slowdown" and not an outage |
| 19:53.38 | herzogthc | who apparently purchase pipeline thru level3 |
| 19:53.40 | herzogthc | and believe me, we were DOWN |
| 19:53.42 | Fuhqbitch | hey |
| 19:53.43 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:53.49 | herzogthc | it was only slowdown in some areas |
| 19:54.12 | Cidan | no no no |
| 19:54.13 | Cairenn | ... |
| 19:54.14 | Cidan | Something nicer. |
| 19:54.27 | Cidan | Don't try to be all bad ass with cursing, just a nickname |
| 19:54.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:54.34 | PokemonFTW | LOL |
| 19:54.35 | PokemonFTW | hahahhaha |
| 19:54.39 | Cidan | No, no. |
| 19:54.40 | cogwheel | ~nickometer PokemonFTW |
| 19:54.42 | Cidan | Seriously |
| 19:54.46 | Cidan | :/ |
| 19:54.49 | CidanRank2 | :D |
| 19:54.52 | Shirik | only 14%? |
| 19:55.03 | Shirik | ~nickometer ohshutup |
| 19:55.03 | Cidan | Seriously, change your nick to something normal, I need to talk to you. |
| 19:55.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:55.21 | Something | alrighty |
| 19:55.25 | Cidan | hmm. |
| 19:55.27 | Cidan | That works |
| 19:55.34 | Chaotic_D | ~nickometer Chaotic_Descent |
| 19:55.41 | Chaotic_D | WOOO! |
| 19:55.44 | herzogthc | Shirik: but yeah one coworkers bemused comment was "Sorry, clientname, we can't finish your project because yosemite sam shot up our pipeline" |
| 19:55.46 | Cidan | Something, try this: /nickserv register <some password> |
| 19:55.50 | Cidan | like you did before |
| 19:55.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:56.01 | Something | now what? |
| 19:56.06 | Shirik | does mirc accept /nickserv natively? |
| 19:56.07 | Cidan | did it say registered? |
| 19:56.09 | Cidan | it does |
| 19:56.09 | Shirik | or do you have to do /msg nickserv |
| 19:56.12 | herzogthc | Shirik: yes. |
| 19:56.17 | herzogthc | BitchX does not :) |
| 19:56.21 | herzogthc | but /msg nickserv is just as effective. |
| 19:56.35 | Shirik | I like /ns |
| 19:57.12 | Cairenn | not all clients accept /ns though, Shirik, which is why you're better to do the full /msg nickserv [whatever] |
| 19:57.17 | Shirik | yeh |
| 19:57.42 | Cairenn | (when explaining to someone new, I mean) |
| 19:57.50 | Shirik | also, going back to a conversation 30 minutes ago, Cidan, my eyes suck, they need to be darker |
| 19:57.56 | Cidan | naw, no way |
| 19:57.59 | Cidan | They are super sexy. |
| 19:58.11 | Cairenn | ss or it didn't happen |
| 19:58.17 | Shirik | Is this supposed to be a good thing coming from you? |
| 19:58.24 | Shirik | Like if it were nancy I wouldn't have a problem with it |
| 19:58.42 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:58.55 | Shirik | Okay, he whom does not know his name, you're going to have to pick a name and stick with it |
| 19:59.00 | Shirik | because you can't register 500 nicks |
| 19:59.05 | Saint-N | you can so |
| 19:59.07 | Cairenn | seriously, use the name you were using when you first joined the channel or something |
| 19:59.10 | Shirik | well you can, but then some ircop will destroy you |
| 19:59.12 | Saint-N | it's just retarded to do it |
| 19:59.16 | RENAMED | ALL THE NAMES ARE ALREADY REGISTERED DAMN |
| 19:59.19 | Cidan | :( |
| 19:59.25 | Shirik | And please lay off the caps key |
| 19:59.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:59.34 | Cidan | haha |
| 19:59.41 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.42 | Cidan | Seriously |
| 19:59.57 | Shirik | Do you play WoW? What's your nick there |
| 20:00.00 | Shirik | Just use that |
| 20:00.04 | Shirik | Unless it also is a sentence |
| 20:00.05 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.07 | Shirik | in which case, please don't |
| 20:00.11 | MyNameIsJonas | i did it |
| 20:00.12 | MyNameIsJonas | yay |
| 20:00.14 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:00.19 | Cidan | okay, MyNameIsJonas it is. |
| 20:00.26 | MyNameIsJonas | can you see that cidan? |
| 20:00.38 | Shirik | › 320: MyNameIsJonas is identified to services |
| 20:00.41 | Shirik | so finally all set |
| 20:00.53 | MyNameisSaint-N | now we can begin the WoWA meeting |
| 20:01.36 | Shirik | when I saw the warning from NS I was like "hmm better go back before I get ghosted" |
| 20:01.56 | MyNameisSaint-N | hehe it doesnt actually ghost ya |
| 20:02.02 | Shirik | it can |
| 20:02.07 | MyNameisSaint-N | at least not automagically |
| 20:02.09 | Shirik | if you type it :P |
| 20:02.19 | Shirik | But when you deal with my nicks.... you go bye bye |
| 20:02.28 | Shirik | It's mostly Cidan's fault |
| 20:02.35 | Saint-N | mopstly? |
| 20:02.38 | Saint-N | mostly? |
| 20:02.43 | Shirik | like Shirik|zZz, Shirik|AFK, Shirik|Fooding |
| 20:02.52 | Shirik | yeah he kept taking over my nicks =( |
| 20:02.52 | Saint-N | show me on the doll where he touched you during dinner last night. |
| 20:02.58 | Shirik | ..... |
| 20:04.02 | Lunessa|Unkle | Use the [Gnome Effigy] |
| 20:05.00 | Saint-N | isn't that just a jumbo gummy bear? |
| 20:05.08 | Saint-N | or is that still to large to represent a gnome |
| 20:06.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Droffats (n=dont@d149-67-195-61.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 20:06.58 | Lunessa|Unkle | Gnomes are wonderful boys. Their heads are filled with gizmos, they make such wonderful toys! |
| 20:08.20 | Osagasu | I'm sure I don't want to know. |
| 20:08.40 | zenzelezz | reminds me of that t-shirt that said "Boys make nice accessories" |
| 20:08.51 | Kaydeethree | oh, by the way, Saint-N: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1133917352&sid=1 |
| 20:09.26 | Saint-N | hahahahahaha |
| 20:09.29 | Saint-N | thats awesome |
| 20:09.32 | Lunessa|Unkle | Saint-N: I'm not on lithium. I need something STRONGER. |
| 20:09.59 | Saint-N | alright ill send rowdy roddy piper to your house |
| 20:10.29 | Lunessa|Unkle | He's here to kick ass and chew bubble-gum. |
| 20:10.36 | Lunessa|Unkle | And he's all out of bubble-gum. |
| 20:10.46 | Saint-N | haha |
| 20:10.56 | Saint-N | best.....movie....evah... |
| 20:12.23 | Chaotic_D | what movie? |
| 20:12.45 | Chaotic_D | if it was MST3K, he would have been all out of ass. |
| 20:13.43 | jme | Kaydeethree: epic |
| 20:15.45 | Saint-N | it's They Live |
| 20:15.49 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwga5Yla-pc |
| 20:18.17 | Saint-N | god i wish they'd stop calling these printers all-in-one's if it doesnt have a number pad for faxing |
| 20:21.00 | Cidan | oh? Well *I* have a number pad for faxing... |
| 20:21.05 | Cidan | IF you know what I mean! |
| 20:21.13 | Cidan | Okay, I'll stop. |
| 20:22.46 | TS|Skrom | Problem with that is it only sends, never recevies |
| 20:25.03 | Chaotic_D | you know, I got this flash animation with bill cosby bobbin his head and a slowed down "World Hang On (Children of the Sky)" track playing, and I'm addicted to it. I downloaded the original song and... it's... just not as cool as this. |
| 20:26.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Leachim (n=Necroman@p508A2F07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:26.42 | Cidan | Ladies and gentlemen... |
| 20:26.45 | Cidan | Welcome to Rapture. |
| 20:26.48 | Cidan | Need I say more? |
| 20:27.52 | MyNameIsJonas | WTF its kick ass and chew bubble gum not other way around |
| 20:28.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge anakha (n=anakha@81-229-94-165-no68.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 20:28.44 | anakha | hi people |
| 20:29.02 | Cairenn | hi |
| 20:29.39 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:29.46 | Saint-N | ho |
| 20:30.02 | Saint-N | bah stupid lag ruined it! |
| 20:30.27 | Cairenn | Saint-N: how many times do I have to disillusion you? I'm not a 'ho, no matter how much you wish I was |
| 20:30.40 | Saint-N | im guessing a few more times |
| 20:30.48 | Cairenn | apparently so |
| 20:30.55 | Saint-N | but feel free to convince me while you're naked and moaning like last time ;P |
| 20:31.06 | Cairenn | good dream, was it? |
| 20:31.19 | Saint-N | yup |
| 20:31.32 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:32.28 | Saint-N | http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK10695&mode=retail |
| 20:32.33 | Saint-N | ^^ me duz wantz |
| 20:33.25 | zenzelezz | you enjoy toys, eh? |
| 20:33.37 | herzogthc | bigbadtoystore looks like something pornographic in nature. |
| 20:33.49 | herzogthc | I mean, I realize it's probably not, I hope it's not -- I learned a long time ago to be leary of links I see on irc. Especially at work. |
| 20:33.54 | herzogthc | So I'm not clicking it to find out. :) |
| 20:34.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc2-cove7-0-0-cust20.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:34.14 | Cairenn | that particular link, at least, is safe |
| 20:34.42 | Cairenn | folks are usually pretty good about putting NSFW tags in this channel, when necessary |
| 20:34.51 | Saint-N | its transformable soundwave as a minidisc/mp3 p[layer |
| 20:35.03 | anakha | i just started the tutorial in http://vnboards.ign.com/WoW_UI_Customization/b22852/79108902/?8 <--- a link in you forum. and i can´t find the interface.mpq that he is talking about. wowdirectory/data |
| 20:35.24 | Shirik | interface.mpq does not exist |
| 20:35.28 | Kaydeethree | that's a very old tutorial |
| 20:35.30 | Shirik | look for locale-enUS.mpq |
| 20:35.37 | Cairenn | vnboards isn't my forum, btw :p |
| 20:35.43 | Saint-N | sure it does it's just inside another mpq ;P |
| 20:36.19 | Cairenn | you mean people still use FlameVault? /amazed |
| 20:36.20 | anakha | nope but your linking in a tutorial thats in your forum |
| 20:36.36 | anakha | do someone got a more up to date tutorial. |
| 20:36.38 | Cairenn | show me, I'll delete it |
| 20:37.09 | anakha | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107 |
| 20:37.29 | Lunessa|Unkle | It's not. |
| 20:37.49 | anakha | ? |
| 20:38.09 | Cairenn | ah, thanks |
| 20:38.33 | Cairenn | gone |
| 20:39.04 | anakha | got any better one to recommend |
| 20:39.26 | Kaydeethree | Cairenn, you may want to change the very first link to http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 20:39.39 | Cairenn | yeah, I'm going to, just haven't yet |
| 20:39.52 | Cairenn | need to get that updated on all 3 sites yet |
| 20:39.58 | Cairenn | the entire thread |
| 20:40.32 | Chaotic_D | has anyone here ever done that "sign up a friend" thing? he asked for my email address for this, but if he gave it to Blizzard, I wouldn't get the email since I'm set to exclusively filter out people not on my list. but if he was sending me a code or something, I guess it's just delayed. (Hotmail shouldn't take minutes to send) |
| 20:42.28 | Cairenn | usually things like that have the company send out an email |
| 20:43.03 | Chaotic_D | that idiot! I specifically asked him if he was sending it, or if he was giving my address to Blizzard! |
| 20:43.16 | Chaotic_D | now he's at work and I have to wait for him to get back to me AGAIN. :( |
| 20:43.21 | Chaotic_D | no playing WoW. |
| 20:43.48 | Cairenn | I don't know for sure that that is how it works for Blizz's "refer a friend", but it's the standard |
| 20:44.30 | herzogthc | I freakin hate work right now |
| 20:45.21 | Valaron|Work | That's a lotta hate. |
| 20:45.35 | herzogthc | I just did too much the past two days |
| 20:45.41 | herzogthc | I'm burned out, tired, and salaried to boot |
| 20:45.48 | herzogthc | which is why I slack now |
| 20:45.49 | Valaron|Work | Same |
| 20:46.09 | herzogthc | but it's really frustrating that programming at work makes me wanna neglect programming at home where I can actually leanr new and interesting things |
| 20:46.48 | herzogthc | it's like when I leave the stress of work to go home, I find myself wanting to build on stuff, but HAVING To get intoxicated and play WoW to escape reality ;) |
| 20:47.25 | Valaron|Work | Whatta life. |
| 20:47.37 | herzogthc | I'm joking, mostly. |
| 20:47.41 | Chaotic_D | I'm unemployed! =) |
| 20:47.48 | herzogthc | Reality is that a wife and family keep me occupied in my off-time |
| 20:48.15 | Saint-N | while you're drunk? |
| 20:48.21 | Saint-N | thats unfair of them ;P |
| 20:48.21 | herzogthc | who said drunk? |
| 20:48.28 | herzogthc | I said intoxicated. |
| 20:48.29 | herzogthc | lol |
| 20:48.36 | Saint-N | semantics |
| 20:49.02 | Saint-N | god im so tired all of a sudden |
| 20:49.04 | herzogthc | typically prefer intoxication of hte hallucinagenic variety. Less hangover. :) |
| 20:49.12 | Saint-N | i think ill just curl up under my desk and nap |
| 20:49.14 | Chaotic_D | I wonder if it's too late to turn my spam filter off and get that from Blizzard. -_-; |
| 20:49.32 | Chaotic_D | crap. it's been 10 minutes. no way is Blizzard that slow. |
| 20:49.47 | Chaotic_D | that should have been my first reaction. DAMNIT! |
| 20:49.48 | Saint-N | check yer spam folder idjit |
| 20:50.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Flexom (n=Flexom@83.80-202-153.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:50.04 | Saint-N | if you out right delete anything thats not directed to you, you're a moron ;P |
| 20:50.05 | Chaotic_D | it's HotMail. :S I doubt they'll put spam back in. |
| 20:51.34 | Chaotic_D | my HotMail account got so much junk I didn't bother receiving anything that wasn't from people I knew. I mean... I don't use that account for strangers. I have other accounts for that. |
| 20:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, ping |
| 20:51.52 | Kaydeethree | pong |
| 20:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | With the latest PTR push, after several minutes, does it give you the debug information? |
| 20:52.38 | Kaydeethree | I haven't let it run long enough to get the crash log. I'll try it real quick |
| 20:52.44 | Chaotic_D | Saint-N, Music Label Soundwave is something I'm trying to get too. I'm a big Transformers collector. |
| 20:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying now, but it's not looking like it |
| 20:54.00 | Chaotic_D | I just paid $85 shipped for a damned obscure novelty toy that's Transformers-like. (by Takara, makers of Transformers, it transforms, but it's a different toy line called Web Diver) |
| 20:54.25 | Thunder_Child | did 2.2 get released today? |
| 20:54.31 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 20:54.33 | Kaydeethree | thankfully |
| 20:54.40 | Thunder_Child | boo |
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| 21:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 21:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure, but I may have found what's breaking it |
| 21:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The DivX decoder.. |
| 21:03.41 | Cidan | eh? |
| 21:03.43 | Cidan | new PTR? |
| 21:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No, just the latest |
| 21:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, maybe not |
| 21:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Who was it in here that was working with the #winehackers people on this? |
| 21:06.56 | Saint-N | bleeker |
| 21:07.05 | Cairenn | amongst others, no doubt |
| 21:07.06 | Saint-N | err bleeter |
| 21:08.14 | bleeter | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9381 and http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9386 |
| 21:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/72560 <-- pastey of the WoW error + wine backtrace |
| 21:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | If that's of any use to you |
| 21:09.02 | bleeter | aye, the #132 that looks suspiciously like the random Vista crashes |
| 21:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure the WoW info is nothing new, but with any luck, the backtrace can be useful |
| 21:10.29 | Kaydeethree | wow, finally got the ptr to crash |
| 21:10.36 | bleeter | the winehackers prefer their WINEDEBUG traces |
| 21:10.50 | bleeter | eg http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=7706 from the 9386 bug |
| 21:11.54 | bleeter | insofar as the 9381 bug goes, i don't have time today to patch wine GIT and try it, Uni assignment due. if anyone else has wine GIT, feel free to apply it and see if OSS will fall back to emulation correctly |
| 21:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That easily doable? I'd gladly contribute |
| 21:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And I don't have OSS in kernel at all |
| 21:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Or any emulation |
| 21:12.32 | bleeter | I still doubt it'll fix the issue, but it's stuff that the winehackers have requested that gets done |
| 21:13.38 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:13.44 | Shirik | hey Cidan, I cooked! |
| 21:13.49 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:13.51 | Cidan | no kidding? |
| 21:13.59 | Cidan | I'm makin hamburgers in a few |
| 21:14.09 | Shirik | had too many hamburgers lately |
| 21:14.14 | bleeter | Kaydeethree, ScytheBlade1: wereHamster's also been looking in to this issue |
| 21:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got git installed, and I've built wine by hand before. I'll help out how I can :) |
| 21:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I do not have any form of OSS even remotely enabled now |
| 21:16.22 | bleeter | for the record, vitaly (aka vitamin) is a very stressed/overworked wine hacker, he can get pretty short if you do not meet his exact standards for bug reporting |
| 21:16.36 | bleeter | (as demonstradted in 9381) |
| 21:17.31 | bleeter | that's do say, one can be talking to the person responsible for a module, who asks you to file bug report/data, which vitaliy will promptly close without referring back to said hacker if the report doesn't meet his requirements ;) |
| 21:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe |
| 21:18.49 | bleeter | ugh, that patch fails in hunk #5 |
| 21:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | No worries |
| 21:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | We have at least another week |
| 21:20.16 | Saint-N | you would have if you didnt explain the bug issue again ;P |
| 21:20.16 | ScytheBlade1 | More I'd guess |
| 21:20.41 | Kaydeethree | if not 2. I severely doubt the likelyhood of the 28th happening. QA's going to want at least one more PTR push |
| 21:20.53 | Kaydeethree | especially since voip's not really working properly for the majority of people |
| 21:21.18 | Saint-N | hehe welcome to 2.2 if you're got vista....suck it |
| 21:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 21:21.28 | bleeter | here's a couple of other URLs that may be of some interest: |
| 21:21.29 | bleeter | http://www.fmod.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=32556&sid=71665f1b209463e5232299c72fc25537 |
| 21:21.52 | bleeter | fmod bug, regarding initialisation. I believe it's possible that Blizz have applied the patch mentioned, but.... well, I kinda do have my doubts |
| 21:22.01 | bleeter | http://www.cedega.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8716&sid=14fa4aba9bd3250b0ed355934b696a05 |
| 21:22.19 | bleeter | cedega issue, indicating that their dsound code progresses a little further than wine, and I suspect then crashes at the same point |
| 21:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I've heard about that |
| 21:23.16 | Saint-N | hey bleeter |
| 21:23.25 | bleeter | g'day Saint-N |
| 21:23.34 | Saint-N | have you tried loading up a windows divx player+codec in wine? |
| 21:24.10 | bleeter | nope, not the sort of thing I usually have a call for ;) |
| 21:24.31 | Saint-N | give it a try and see how/if it plays properly through wine or cedega |
| 21:24.43 | bleeter | wont have time 'til much later today, if at all, or tomorrow |
| 21:25.12 | Cidan | Shirik, what'd you cook? |
| 21:25.22 | Saint-N | cu it looks vaguely like they fergot to push the new divxcodec/dx for the game, and it's conflicting. |
| 21:25.45 | Saint-N | ie they actually have a newer one locally but it's not playing properly remotely |
| 21:26.15 | Saint-N | which would explain the two errors in fmod and the suspected divx issue that scythe says |
| 21:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis on vaugely |
| 21:26.46 | Saint-N | it makes sense though |
| 21:26.52 | Saint-N | scythe you try it |
| 21:27.13 | Saint-N | try and run a divx player through wine and see what happens |
| 21:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Has it been known to work? |
| 21:27.24 | Saint-N | dunno never tried |
| 21:27.37 | Saint-N | if i was at home i could test it with crossover |
| 21:27.40 | Saint-N | but im not |
| 21:27.40 | Shirik | Cidan: Um |
| 21:27.44 | Shirik | let's not discuss that |
| 21:27.47 | Shirik | but I cooked! |
| 21:27.47 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:28.02 | Cidan | I take it the dogs are well fed? |
| 21:28.03 | Cidan | :x |
| 21:28.10 | Shirik | nope |
| 21:28.14 | Shirik | I ate it :D |
| 21:28.20 | Cidan | Like I said |
| 21:28.25 | Cidan | I take it the dogs are well fed? |
| 21:28.26 | Cidan | :x |
| 21:28.38 | Saint-N | thts what itll be |
| 21:28.40 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 21:28.51 | Lunessa | All this chatter about food is making me hungry. |
| 21:29.06 | Cidan | Lunessa, glad to see you didn't get wtfpwned |
| 21:29.19 | Saint-N | so far |
| 21:29.49 | Lunessa | You mean by big bad Dean, the storm which decided mexico had phatter lewt? |
| 21:30.34 | Saint-N | he got all high and tired himself out with the islands before hand ;P |
| 21:30.34 | Kaydeethree | a cat 5 strike on the yucatan... /cringe |
| 21:30.36 | |Jelly| | Not phatter lewt...more nubz to gank. |
| 21:32.30 | Lunessa | ... /cast [exists, target=Yucatan] Cat 5 Strike; Sunny Day |
| 21:33.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lysistrata (n=yousuck@unaffiliated/lysistrata) |
| 21:33.29 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:34.01 | Shirik | ooh |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | visual studio 2008 beta o.o |
| 21:34.11 | Cidan | yeah |
| 21:34.12 | Cidan | I saw that |
| 21:34.15 | Cidan | nothx |
| 21:34.27 | Saint-N | for when your code didnt feel gay enough |
| 21:34.32 | Shirik | dude, <3 visual studio |
| 21:34.33 | Kaydeethree | well I'll be damned... dean made it off of the yucatan as a hurricane. wonder how much it'll restrengthen? |
| 21:34.34 | Shirik | you can't deny it |
| 21:34.39 | Shirik | it's one of the few things Microsoft gets right |
| 21:35.02 | Saint-N | no ms arcade classics was the one thing they got right ;P |
| 21:35.20 | Saint-N | cuz they didnt have to make it themselves ;P |
| 21:36.40 | Saint-N | i think i have an ulcer |
| 21:37.03 | Saint-N | or my acid reflux has chewed a hole in my esophagus |
| 21:37.32 | Cidan | acid reflux is often because of an ulcer |
| 21:37.41 | Cidan | which in turn is caused by an infection |
| 21:38.06 | Cidan | simple cure for it, man won a nobel prize for it in 2005 |
| 21:38.22 | Cidan | Nexium, etc, is just bullshit products |
| 21:38.26 | Saint-N | actually i dont have anulcer |
| 21:38.34 | Suntiger | you could be developing one |
| 21:38.37 | Cidan | is == are |
| 21:38.39 | Cidan | Yep |
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| 21:38.54 | Cidan | In which case, don't let your doctor fool you into Nexium, :P |
| 21:39.01 | Saint-N | possible i get acid reflux from tomatoes |
| 21:39.12 | Cidan | nexium stops your stomach from producing acid which you need to fight the infection |
| 21:39.20 | Saint-N | actually i rotate between zantac pepcid and some other one |
| 21:39.25 | Cidan | so you feel better, but the ulcer gets worse |
| 21:39.40 | Saint-N | so i dont get too tolerant to a single product |
| 21:39.42 | Cidan | then you'll never get better. :P |
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| 21:39.59 | Chaotic_D | maybe you eat too much. |
| 21:40.03 | Saint-N | hehe my body picks up tolerance to drugs pretty quick |
| 21:40.20 | Saint-N | nah i actually eat very little and consume inordinant amounts of dr.pepper and coffee ;P |
| 21:40.27 | Cidan | BAI BAI CAIRENN |
| 21:40.31 | Cidan | WE WILL MEISS YOU |
| 21:40.32 | Cairenn|afk | <== fooding |
| 21:40.40 | Saint-N | The Foodening! |
| 21:40.55 | Chaotic_D | eh... that's also bad. |
| 21:41.15 | Suntiger | don't poor more acid into your stomache |
| 21:41.16 | Saint-N | had a physical a few months ago though and nothing showed |
| 21:41.20 | Suntiger | its fine on acid as it is. |
| 21:41.22 | Shirik | hey! |
| 21:41.24 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk! |
| 21:41.26 | Shirik | Fooding is my term! |
| 21:41.26 | Saint-N | and it hasnt gotten any worse or better than prior |
| 21:41.47 | Shirik | o.o |
| 21:41.50 | Lunessa | IRC : The Fooding - There can only be weight-gain. |
| 21:41.58 | Chaotic_D | caffeine is bad for stomach problems. like... if you have bad posture... you're just gotta fold something in your stomach lining, and then eat it away with caffeine. |
| 21:42.01 | Saint-N | you'll have to buy new bellbottom chords ;P |
| 21:42.12 | Shirik | Shirik|Fooding is registered under my name |
| 21:42.17 | Shirik | therefore it is quite obvious it is my word |
| 21:42.32 | Shirik | QED. |
| 21:42.36 | Cidan | http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hpylori/ |
| 21:42.48 | Cidan | it's the most common form |
| 21:43.00 | Cidan | and is curable |
| 21:43.27 | Saint-N | nope i have non of those symtoms |
| 21:43.35 | Cidan | oh, well, you lose then. |
| 21:43.49 | Saint-N | i get acid reflux/heartburn from tomttos |
| 21:43.53 | Saint-N | this is about the same |
| 21:43.55 | Cidan | is relieved by antacid medications |
| 21:43.59 | Saint-N | usually eatting food makes it go away |
| 21:44.09 | Cidan | then I would talk to a doctor |
| 21:44.12 | Saint-N | cidan: yeah it does as a preventative |
| 21:44.12 | Cidan | simple test can tell you |
| 21:44.24 | Saint-N | but i get no stomach related pains |
| 21:44.28 | Saint-N | it's all throat burning |
| 21:44.37 | Chaotic_D | YES!!! my friend emailed me from work! invititation from a friend from Blizzard! awesome! |
| 21:44.49 | Saint-N | like when you drink too much citus juice |
| 21:45.07 | Saint-N | like 4 gallons too much ;P |
| 21:46.20 | Chaotic_D | goodbye life! what little I had of one! |
| 21:46.25 | Cidan | ? |
| 21:46.29 | Cidan | for what? |
| 21:46.39 | Chaotic_D | for WoW. |
| 21:50.36 | Cide | fyi, you're not making much sense |
| 21:50.47 | Cidan | Cide, ding, :P |
| 21:51.15 | Cide | hmm? :P |
| 21:52.22 | Shirik | Your Mana Tap fails. Anachronos is immune. Anachronos hits you for 4307. You are afflicted by Dazed. Anachronos hits you for 2313 (1473 absorbed). You die." |
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| 21:52.48 | zenzelezz | why are you attacking him? |
| 21:52.54 | Cide | it's his time now |
| 21:53.22 | zenzelezz | is that a pun on him being the time dragon? |
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| 21:53.54 | Cide | no, he says "It's not yet my time" if you try to kill him |
| 21:53.58 | Cide | and despawns |
| 21:54.12 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 21:54.16 | zenzelezz | shame, would've been a clever one |
| 21:55.12 | Cide | yeah, I fail :/ |
| 21:55.57 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I wanted to see how much he hit for |
| 21:56.00 | Shirik | I thought I could run away |
| 21:56.02 | Shirik | I was rather wrong |
| 21:56.26 | zenzelezz | was that the entire fight you posted? |
| 21:56.50 | Shirik | well I took out the "You gain Power Word Shield" "You are afflicted by Weakened Soul" and the second "You die" that comes as a result of improved death |
| 21:56.51 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 21:57.15 | zenzelezz | seemed like such a low amount of hitpoints, but I'm probably just spoiled there |
| 21:57.29 | Shirik | I know I have very low HP |
| 21:57.41 | Shirik | 5381 without fort, which I stupidly didn't put up |
| 21:57.50 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 21:57.50 | zenzelezz | considering I play a tank I don't really know what other classes have, excepy my gimp farm hunter |
| 21:57.59 | zenzelezz | *except |
| 21:58.12 | Cide | about 8.5k raid buffed for clothies |
| 21:58.12 | Shirik | !char us drenden kimina |
| 21:58.20 | Saint-N | yes cuz that extra 1k would have totoally helped you win ;P |
| 21:58.20 | Shirik | ThraeBot! |
| 21:58.26 | zenzelezz | no wonder they die so easily |
| 21:58.38 | Shirik | Saint-N: IT's 1.1k tyvm! |
| 21:58.40 | zenzelezz | !char eu silvermoon zenzio |
| 21:58.40 | Cide | about 13k raid buffed in pvp gear |
| 21:58.52 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Zenzio, Level 70 Human Warrior (11/0/50). 13424 HP; 15769 Armour; 724 AP; 125.3 Melee DPS; 5.64% melee crit; 40 melee hit; 347 defense; 23.96% dodge; 30.21% block;[[ TBR: 1286 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22kelr ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3a9l47 ]] |
| 21:58.53 | Saint-N | thts really low though |
| 21:58.58 | Shirik | This /is/ my pvp suffs |
| 21:59.04 | Shirik | stuffs* |
| 21:59.11 | Saint-N | with for i sit around 9k-9.5k |
| 21:59.12 | Shirik | I really need to work on it |
| 21:59.17 | Cide | >>> 4307+2313+1473 |
| 21:59.17 | Cide | Cide: 8093 |
| 21:59.18 | Saint-N | fort |
| 21:59.19 | Cide | you fail! |
| 21:59.31 | Shirik | well |
| 21:59.39 | Shirik | naturally the last hit will be greater than or equal to my total hp |
| 21:59.41 | zenzelezz | funny, wasn't long since I had only 11500 hp unbuffed... wonder how I got another 2k |
| 21:59.43 | Saint-N | course i have like 16 mana |
| 21:59.46 | Cide | I'm at 117xx self buffed (fort) :P |
| 21:59.48 | Lunessa | !char us kirin tor lunessa |
| 22:00.04 | Cide | Shirik: so you have <8093 hp |
| 22:00.11 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 22:00.16 | zenzelezz | seems like it's only US armory being unresponsive |
| 22:00.25 | Shirik | 172:572:19 12‹Shirik12› I know I have very low HP |
| 22:00.25 | Shirik | 172:572:31 12‹Shirik12› 5381 without fort, which I stupidly didn't put up |
| 22:00.42 | zenzelezz | my 57 priest has like 1800 hp |
| 22:00.46 | zenzelezz | unbuffed |
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| 22:00.54 | Lunessa | Hrm, Thraebot is slow today, or I'm a n00b who can't use the commands. |
| 22:00.57 | MyNameIsJonas | Are there certain dimensions for a minimap button? |
| 22:01.00 | Shirik | I was trying to show you my character but ThraeBot hates me |
| 22:01.07 | MyNameIsJonas | I'm trying to create one |
| 22:01.08 | Shirik | !c us drenden Kimina |
| 22:01.08 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: like I said, I think it's only US armory |
| 22:01.13 | zenzelezz | worked for me, for EU armory |
| 22:01.35 | Cide | MyNameIsJonas: well, naturally you wouldn't want it to cover up your whole screen |
| 22:01.35 | Chaotic_D | If I already installed WoW from playing before, but I have a new trial account I have to activate (and then start paying for subscriptions on) do I have to reinstall to stick in my authorization code? |
| 22:01.45 | Cide | MyNameIsJonas: so you might want to go for something a bit smaller than that |
| 22:01.47 | Saint-N | !c us echo isles rozalyn |
| 22:01.57 | Saint-N | nooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:02.19 | Kaydeethree | nah. you don't have to touch auth codes during the install. the only place you ever use the auth code is when you activate accounts on the website |
| 22:02.21 | Shirik | Cide: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Kimina |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | and my 3v3 rating is off by 100 =( |
| 22:02.47 | Shirik | we're at 1536 |
| 22:02.53 | Cidan | hmm |
| 22:03.17 | Lunessa | I don't do 'teh pvp' so all I have is the crafted epics and a few world drops. |
| 22:03.19 | Shirik | OMFG I never taliced my shoulders?! |
| 22:03.21 | Shirik | gahh! |
| 22:03.23 | Cidan | if I table[1] = something;table[2] = something; then table.remove(table), 2 becomes 1, right? |
| 22:03.37 | Shirik | wait yes I did, armory's just being stupid |
| 22:03.40 | Cide | what? |
| 22:03.45 | Shirik | Cidan: Yes |
| 22:03.50 | Cidan | kaaayyy |
| 22:03.52 | Cide | table.remove = pop |
| 22:03.55 | Shirik | However |
| 22:03.59 | Shirik | This may be a bad thing |
| 22:04.11 | Shirik | You may want to look at how I implemented the queue in sync.lua if that's what you're trying to do |
| 22:04.16 | Cidan | naw |
| 22:04.17 | Cidan | not at all |
| 22:04.27 | Shirik | k, just remember moving all that stuff down takes time :) |
| 22:04.28 | Cidan | just trying to figure out a way to store gid's for windows |
| 22:04.33 | Cidan | not going to do that |
| 22:04.41 | Cidan | it'll be a direct ref |
| 22:04.46 | Cide | table.remove(tbl) removes the last entry |
| 22:05.02 | Shirik | well yeah but table.remove(tbl, 1) doesn't :P |
| 22:05.03 | Cidan | er, yeah, it does the tail |
| 22:05.04 | Cide | table.remove(tbl, 1) removes the first entry (and bumps the following entries down) |
| 22:05.05 | Cidan | right |
| 22:05.06 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:05.20 | Cidan | that's what I meant, typo, :x |
| 22:05.20 | Cide | Shirik: well yeah, but he asked about table.remove(table) :) |
| 22:05.27 | Shirik | I know I realize that now :( |
| 22:05.27 | Cide | fail! |
| 22:05.31 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:05.35 | MyNameIsJonas | hmmm |
| 22:05.35 | Cide | you both fail at the same thing |
| 22:05.35 | Cidan | Hmm. |
| 22:05.38 | Shirik | I blame Cidan's failing rubbing off on me |
| 22:05.40 | MyNameIsJonas | lets see |
| 22:05.42 | Cidan | :( |
| 22:05.44 | Shirik | Hey, I did it right in Sync.lua! |
| 22:05.44 | Cide | which incidentally caused you to understand each other |
| 22:05.49 | Cide | that's funny |
| 22:05.51 | Cidan | mmm, hamburgers cooking |
| 22:05.58 | Shirik | which, ironically |
| 22:06.01 | Shirik | was done before Cidan came around |
| 22:06.12 | foxlit | irony fails |
| 22:06.24 | Chaotic_D | how do you automatically skip the intro video for each race? |
| 22:06.34 | foxlit | You press escape |
| 22:06.42 | Chaotic_D | awww, but then it has to load. |
| 22:06.43 | Cidan | automatically |
| 22:06.44 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:06.47 | Cide | delete the file |
| 22:06.49 | Cidan | being the key word |
| 22:06.54 | foxlit | There is no file? |
| 22:06.59 | MyNameIsJonas | Gah... |
| 22:07.04 | foxlit | It's an in-game slide through |
| 22:07.09 | foxlit | I think you can even trigger it at any time |
| 22:07.13 | Saint-N | thers a intro related setting in wtf |
| 22:07.23 | Cide | delete the slide through coordinates? :P |
| 22:07.24 | Shirik | there is |
| 22:07.28 | Shirik | I don't remember what it is though |
| 22:07.31 | foxlit | subtitles |
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| 22:08.21 | MyNameIsJonas | Cidan, what was the one with all the : functions- not the API |
| 22:08.26 | foxlit | OpeningCinematic() |
| 22:08.42 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:08.48 | MyNameIsJonas | thx |
| 22:08.51 | Cidan | yerp |
| 22:08.54 | foxlit | Also InCinematic |
| 22:09.12 | foxlit | And StopCinematic() |
| 22:09.21 | Cidan | pairs() doesn't guarantee an order does it? |
| 22:09.28 | foxlit | Right. |
| 22:09.30 | Chaotic_D | ok, thanks. I'll look for it a little later once I delete some setting files and reload it. |
| 22:09.31 | Cidan | Hmph |
| 22:09.33 | Cidan | That blows. |
| 22:09.35 | Shirik | ipairs is your friend :) |
| 22:09.38 | foxlit | There is no "order" in hashtables |
| 22:10.09 | Cidan | ipairs works, neat. |
| 22:10.12 | MyNameIsJonas | Interesting. |
| 22:10.13 | MyNameIsJonas | Hrmmm. |
| 22:10.15 | foxlit | It might actually give you ordered info in arrays |
| 22:10.24 | MyNameIsJonas | I can't find a CreateText type thing. |
| 22:10.31 | Cidan | CreateFont |
| 22:10.33 | Cidan | Object |
| 22:10.34 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:10.37 | MyNameIsJonas | ? |
| 22:10.38 | foxlit | String |
| 22:10.40 | Cidan | er |
| 22:10.41 | Cidan | string |
| 22:10.45 | Cidan | CreateFontString |
| 22:10.49 | foxlit | Object is for actual <Font :) |
| 22:10.52 | Cidan | yeah, :P |
| 22:11.14 | MyNameIsJonas | and then what afterwards? ("TEXTHERE") ? |
| 22:11.18 | Cidan | naw |
| 22:11.33 | Cidan | do it like before, local text = CreateFontString |
| 22:11.37 | Cidan | (); |
| 22:11.39 | Cidan | etc |
| 22:11.53 | MyNameIsJonas | ok |
| 22:11.58 | Cidan | text:SetText("blah"); set the width, height, postion, etc |
| 22:12.03 | foxlit | >>> t, o = {1,2,3,4}, ""; for k, v in pairs(t) do o = o .. ", " .. v; end print(o:sub(3)); |
| 22:12.04 | Cide | foxlit: "1, 2, 3, 4" |
| 22:12.23 | MyNameIsJonas | What about dropping down a line? |
| 22:12.32 | foxlit | >>> t, o = {1,2,3,4}, ""; tinsert(t, 6); tinsert(t, 5, 5); for k, v in pairs(t) do o = o .. ", " .. v; end print(o:sub(3)); |
| 22:12.32 | Cide | foxlit: "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6" |
| 22:12.35 | Cidan | that is one thing you can not do, which is a pain |
| 22:12.46 | MyNameIsJonas | so you have to creat another string? |
| 22:12.48 | Cidan | you can't return line |
| 22:13.02 | Cidan | Yep |
| 22:13.07 | MyNameIsJonas | damng |
| 22:13.12 | Cidan | Yep.. |
| 22:13.25 | MyNameIsJonas | so is it: local text = CreateFontString(TextHere?) |
| 22:13.31 | MyNameIsJonas | or what? |
| 22:13.33 | Cidan | nope, nothing there (); |
| 22:13.36 | MyNameIsJonas | oh |
| 22:13.48 | Cide | and pyes |
| 22:13.50 | Cidan | you have to use a prent |
| 22:13.53 | Cidan | er, parent |
| 22:13.57 | Cide | pairs gives you ordered info in arrays |
| 22:14.01 | Cidan | thisWindow:CreateFontString(); |
| 22:14.06 | foxlit | FontStrings are actually display elements |
| 22:14.09 | MyNameIsJonas | ok |
| 22:14.11 | Cide | s/pyes/yes/ |
| 22:14.26 | MyNameIsJonas | local text = thisWindow:CreateFontString();? |
| 22:14.31 | Cidan | yep, :P |
| 22:14.42 | Cidan | also, I though I read in the lua manual |
| 22:14.42 | MyNameIsJonas | and next line is text:SetText("blah"); |
| 22:14.44 | Cidan | that it doesn't |
| 22:14.47 | Shirik | Cide: Are you sure that's guaranteed? |
| 22:14.56 | Shirik | It may be a side effect, but I thought that's what ipairs was for |
| 22:14.58 | Cidan | lua manual says it isn't |
| 22:15.09 | Cide | Cidan: link? |
| 22:15.33 | cladhaire | its njot |
| 22:15.44 | cladhaire | pairs() does not guarantee ordered traversal over the array part of a table. |
| 22:15.47 | Saint-N | wow |
| 22:15.57 | Cide | interesting |
| 22:16.06 | cladhaire | thats why ipairs() exists. |
| 22:16.12 | Saint-N | i placed an order though the B2B side of tiger and the lady that is my account rep fucked up almost every step ofthe way |
| 22:16.14 | foxlit | cladhaire: but does it guarantee ordered traversal over an array part of an array-only table? |
| 22:16.23 | MyNameIsJonas | when i do local text = thisWindow:CreateFontString(); |
| 22:16.23 | MyNameIsJonas | text:SetText("Grind Area"); |
| 22:16.29 | cladhaire | no, pairs() doesn't not guarantee any order period. |
| 22:16.31 | MyNameIsJonas | it gives me 'Font not set' error |
| 22:16.33 | cladhaire | only that it will visit all elements of the table. |
| 22:16.48 | cladhaire | so long as you don't set any entires that didn't exist prior to the beginning of the iteration |
| 22:17.27 | Saint-N | didnt setup my account properly, put in my cell number when i told that it was private and to put in the business number(had to email her 4 times to get that changed) then my confimation and tracking emiails were sent to the wrong account and email, finally the status check link doesnt work, and now i look at the order finally and it's being shipped to my house but has my work name on it and the apt number listed as the c/o |
| 22:17.30 | MyNameIsJonas | so what do i do to Set my Font? |
| 22:17.46 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:17.50 | MyNameIsJonas | nvm thx |
| 22:18.10 | foxlit | :SetFontObject |
| 22:18.15 | foxlit | I think |
| 22:18.37 | Saint-N | once i get this shipment i do believe ill be ditching her and her company and just ordering directly from tiger again |
| 22:19.02 | Saint-N | cuz even better they're just a reseller, after i palce an order withthem they contact tiger to do the shipping so in no way does this save me time or money |
| 22:19.47 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:20.30 | foxlit | I sometimes cheat by declaring a template and instancing it through Lua |
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| 22:22.37 | Cidan | lua 100% ftw |
| 22:23.44 | Shirik | SetChild |
| 22:23.44 | Shirik | hehe |
| 22:24.11 | cladhaire | What server is Veni on? |
| 22:24.15 | Shirik | was... Eredar |
| 22:24.32 | Shirik | he doesn't play anymore |
| 22:24.36 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 22:24.56 | Shirik | he was the first to 70 on the server |
| 22:24.59 | Shirik | played for a few weeks |
| 22:25.02 | Shirik | said "screw you all" and left |
| 22:25.09 | Shirik | that's about the entire story |
| 22:25.11 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:25.14 | cladhaire | just killed a veni on the arena |
| 22:25.16 | cladhaire | was curious P |
| 22:25.23 | Shirik | hehe |
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| 22:26.30 | Cidan | he hit 70 in like |
| 22:26.32 | Cidan | two days? |
| 22:26.34 | Cidan | or something? |
| 22:26.39 | Cidan | if even |
| 22:26.43 | Cidan | I think like, 30 hours |
| 22:27.13 | Cidan | he's weird to raid with, and molests women on vent. |
| 22:27.31 | Cidan | but he has always been kind to me |
| 22:27.44 | Shirik | nah it wasn't that long |
| 22:27.48 | Shirik | er, short |
| 22:27.53 | Shirik | it took him about 5 days or so |
| 22:27.55 | Cidan | You sure? |
| 22:27.57 | Shirik | though I don't know how long each day he played |
| 22:28.05 | Saint-N | the first to 70 was 28 hours |
| 22:28.25 | Saint-N | thats prolly the one you're thinking of |
| 22:28.49 | Cidan | it was all hazy back then |
| 22:29.08 | Saint-N | heh i had played to 70 on beta just before tbc came out |
| 22:29.13 | Cidan | anyways, every window now has a unique GID created at run time. Horray. |
| 22:29.18 | Saint-N | so i got to do all the stuff i'd partially fergotten |
| 22:29.23 | Cidan | I played to 63 on beta. |
| 22:29.30 | Saint-N | i had my fast flyer |
| 22:29.34 | Cidan | I mainly just coded RDX.Cid on beta |
| 22:29.36 | Saint-N | without cheating |
| 22:29.48 | Cidan | also, end of beta was fun, :P |
| 22:29.51 | Cidan | everything was on fire |
| 22:29.52 | Saint-N | cheating being copying yourself to the realm numerous times |
| 22:29.58 | Saint-N | heh yeah |
| 22:30.28 | Saint-N | i still think Shatrath was the stupidest name they could have picked |
| 22:30.52 | Saint-N | although it does allow uk players to say shat a lot more than normal without getting reported ;P |
| 22:31.09 | Cidan | rofl |
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| 22:36.06 | Lunessa | LOL - "Dear God, Please grant me the ability to punch people in the face over standard TCP/IP. Amen." Forum .sig |
| 22:36.19 | Shirik | wow, holy rain batman |
| 22:36.27 | Shirik | It doesn't rain this much in Florida |
| 22:36.28 | foxlit | A similar bash quote exists |
| 22:36.53 | Lunessa | I want that power. Oh man do I want that power. |
| 22:37.06 | foxlit | <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet |
| 22:37.16 | Shirik | that's it |
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| 22:37.35 | Lunessa | I'm not the only one who wants that power. |
| 22:37.56 | Shirik | !char us drenden Kimina |
| 22:38.04 | Shirik | ThraeBot why do you hate me so T_T |
| 22:38.14 | Shirik | !mload armory |
| 22:38.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:38.18 | Shirik | or not |
| 22:38.38 | zenzelezz | again, it seems to be only the US armory part that doesn't work |
| 22:38.45 | Shirik | I'm viewing the armory fine :/ |
| 22:38.51 | zenzelezz | !char eu silvermoon frykt |
| 22:39.06 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Frykt, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (41/20/0). 6644 HP; 5758 Mana; 158 mana regen; 79 mp5; 4622 Armour; 1353 AP; 175.2 Melee DPS; 10.95% melee crit; 70 melee hit; 1265 RAP; 269.9 Ranged DPS; 16.07% ranged crit; 70 ranged hit; 14.55% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1364 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2z967c ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bbv5p ]] |
| 22:39.18 | Shirik | oh wait a tick |
| 22:39.25 | Shirik | they changed the URL on the US Armory |
| 22:39.25 | Shirik | huh |
| 22:40.15 | Shirik | HTTP Status Code: HTTP/1.1 302 Found |
| 22:40.22 | Shirik | Location:http://www.wowarmory.com/ |
| 22:40.43 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 22:40.52 | alestane | Interesting...is it out of beta? |
| 22:40.56 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 22:41.00 | Kaydeethree | they're pulling a google in that regard |
| 22:41.04 | Kaydeethree | it'll never be out of beta |
| 22:41.31 | alestane | Which means they're never required to support it? |
| 22:41.32 | Cide | it appears to be significantly faster, however |
| 22:41.44 | Cide | like, 10x |
| 22:41.55 | zenzelezz | separated from old main site? |
| 22:42.59 | Shirik | Thrae: ping |
| 22:44.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 22:44.35 | Shirik | ~botmail for Thrae FYI, US armory page changed, now located at http://www.wowarmory.com -- your bot needs to be fixed accordingly :) |
| 22:45.34 | Cide | don't be so gentle... |
| 22:45.47 | Cide | should be ~botmail for Thrae FFS, FIX YOUR SHIT |
| 22:45.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:46.00 | alestane | I've been thinking for a few hours that gentle is underrated, actually. |
| 22:46.07 | Cidan | ~botmail for Cairenn FYI, Shirik totally wants to ask you out on a date. PST. |
| 22:46.21 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk's here you nob |
| 22:46.26 | JoshBorke | ~botmail for Thrae FFS, FIX YOUR SHIT (courtesy of Cide) |
| 22:46.27 | Cidan | but she's AFK |
| 22:46.31 | Cidan | when she nick switches, :P |
| 22:46.31 | Shirik | she's always here |
| 22:46.36 | Cidan | she was eating |
| 22:46.42 | Cidan | AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? |
| 22:46.47 | Cidan | Do you stalk her? |
| 22:46.52 | Cidan | I SEE HOW IT IS! |
| 22:47.04 | JoshBorke | you want him to stalk you too? |
| 22:47.04 | zenzelezz | she always claims to be doing something, but she never does |
| 22:47.17 | Lunessa | Cidan has moved into completely paranoid fantasy. |
| 22:47.27 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:47.34 | alestane | "moved into"? |
| 22:48.29 | Cidan | hmm |
| 22:48.35 | Lunessa | ... assuming of course he was ever anywhere else. |
| 22:48.37 | Cidan | trying to think of a good way of saving window positions |
| 22:49.01 | alestane | (Not actually even sure if I know him or not of course...) |
| 22:49.05 | JoshBorke | check out WindowLib by Mikk for some ideas |
| 22:49.14 | Cidan | Naw, that's cheating, :D |
| 22:49.32 | JoshBorke | save by closest attachment point |
| 22:49.55 | Cidan | oh I know how I will save the format, etc, just, some minor details to work out |
| 22:53.37 | Cide | http://www.wowarmory.com/updates.xml btw |
| 22:54.57 | JoshBorke | i like how the screenshot doesn't match teh url |
| 22:56.23 | Kaydeethree | hm? like the lack of a www in the url means anything to most servers in this day and age? |
| 22:56.35 | Kaydeethree | but woo for a firefox screencap at least |
| 23:00.00 | MyNameIsJonas | Is there a way you can 'protect' your mod so it is uneditable? i remember doing that in WCII |
| 23:00.03 | MyNameIsJonas | WCIII* |
| 23:00.09 | JoshBorke | no |
| 23:00.12 | JoshBorke | you can obfuscate it |
| 23:00.14 | foxlit | No, not really |
| 23:00.19 | MyNameIsJonas | obfuscate? |
| 23:00.46 | foxlit | You distribute the source, it must be able to be run by the client, which only really understands plain text |
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| 23:04.46 | Kaydeethree | oh. heh... 6k diggs: "Photo taken With and Without Flash": http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1096/2137a9950nf3.jpg |
| 23:05.10 | Lunessa | oy. |
| 23:07.48 | foxlit | http://bash.org/?331940 |
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| 23:10.52 | Saint-N | hah |
| 23:10.56 | Saint-N | MORTAL KOMBAT! |
| 23:11.32 | Saint-N | god i hate my office dsl |
| 23:11.39 | foxlit | <009> I WANT THE ASCII VALUE WHICH WILL GIVE ME A NUMBER 10 |
| 23:11.43 | Saint-N | i wish i was at home on my nice fast cable to leech this iso |
| 23:11.58 | foxlit | (http://bash.org/?45927) |
| 23:13.03 | Saint-N | i dunno his question made sense to me |
| 23:13.24 | Saint-N | 7675 or 7686 |
| 23:13.28 | Saint-N | == 10 |
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| 23:14.19 | MyNameIsJonas | Anybody here have a char on Wildhammer? |
| 23:21.30 | alestane | A friend of mine does (I believe), but not me. |
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| 23:47.07 | Shirik | I am now an elixir master finally >.> |
| 23:47.13 | Shirik | now maybe I can afford my flying mount |
