| 00:00.05 | cladhaire | you manage that |
| 00:00.08 | cladhaire | only patch the correct version |
| 00:00.25 | Cidan | Still, it's a pain to deal with IMO, better to /rw Get the new version, dorks! |
| 00:00.31 | Shirik | the way it does it |
| 00:00.33 | Cidan | Since they'll need it anyways |
| 00:00.34 | Shirik | each patch has an ID |
| 00:00.41 | Shirik | you must receive the patches in sequential order |
| 00:00.53 | Shirik | patches also are sent with extra info to determine what versions they should and should not patch on |
| 00:01.06 | Shirik | and each version has a "minimum patch number" |
| 00:01.42 | Shirik | p.s. pizza's here woot |
| 00:02.03 | cladhaire | jealous |
| 00:02.05 | Cidan | but then they won't get the "critical" fix, unless you have a patch for each fix for each version in every hard update you put out |
| 00:02.31 | Cidan | I just think it's more trouble than it is worth at that point |
| 00:02.33 | Shirik | it is :P |
| 00:02.39 | Industrial | holy crap, pushing it shirik, lol. think about it; its a game o_O |
| 00:02.42 | Industrial | its cool tho :) |
| 00:02.49 | Shirik | think about it, every person has to initially get the patch, right? |
| 00:02.58 | Shirik | The only way to seed is to hardcode into the module |
| 00:03.14 | Cidan | can you say... bloat? |
| 00:03.19 | Shirik | oh please |
| 00:03.21 | Shirik | it's not that bad |
| 00:03.46 | Cidan | for every patch for every person that you send out, not to mention the patches that you will have to include into ever hard version? |
| 00:03.59 | Cidan | s/ever/every |
| 00:04.03 | Cidan | :( |
| 00:04.04 | Shirik | that's why you don't have five bazillion patches |
| 00:04.08 | Shirik | only those that are really necessary |
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| 00:04.22 | Shirik | such as stupid table encode problems that cause a DoS |
| 00:04.33 | Shirik | if anyone were stupid enough to code that *looks around* |
| 00:04.38 | Cidan | :( |
| 00:04.43 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:05.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 00:05.07 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:05.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | freakin battlestar galactica |
| 00:05.31 | Cidan | also |
| 00:05.32 | Cidan | new commit |
| 00:05.34 | Cidan | up |
| 00:05.40 | Shirik | you see |
| 00:05.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just got addicted and the first season ends on a cliffhanger |
| 00:05.43 | Shirik | I'm in #rdx |
| 00:05.46 | Shirik | I know these things :P |
| 00:05.52 | Cidan | that's funny |
| 00:05.58 | Shirik | yeah... |
| 00:06.00 | Cidan | because aren't you the one who is always saying |
| 00:06.01 | Shirik | but still |
| 00:06.03 | Cidan | what's RDX? |
| 00:06.10 | Cidan | put the CIA bot in #conspiracy, :P |
| 00:07.29 | Cidan | After I get docking done, and window saving, I think before I move on to other parts I'm going to do some of the window effects that I wanted |
| 00:07.37 | Cidan | pulsing windows, etc |
| 00:10.40 | Cide | I like how you guys have transformed this irc channel of 104 people into a dialogue! :P |
| 00:11.04 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:11.09 | Cide | (I don't care; carry on - just funny to see!) |
| 00:11.28 | Shirik | we're more active than #wowace now |
| 00:11.34 | Shirik | that must count for something |
| 00:17.53 | Tain | I don't think measuring yourself against #wowace for any reason is all that good an idea. |
| 00:18.14 | Cide | but Tain, what if it's more efficient? |
| 00:18.22 | End | haha |
| 00:21.58 | Shirik | omfg |
| 00:22.04 | Shirik | I'm sitting here trying to figure out why I have 3 fps |
| 00:22.07 | Shirik | virus scan is running |
| 00:22.47 | Bleeter | ah, the ol' lack of braincells eh? |
| 00:25.04 | Bleeter | Cide: well, you know who I'd blame eh! :P |
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| 00:25.39 | Cide | hmmhm... |
| 00:27.32 | Bleeter | if I ducked any lower, I'd be comin' out your side of the planet ;) |
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| 00:30.36 | AnduinLothar | anyone know why specifying a page sub header wouldn't work on php pages? |
| 00:31.23 | AnduinLothar | liek #name after the url |
| 00:32.15 | Cide | you lost me |
| 00:32.58 | foxlit | It should work. |
| 00:33.01 | AnduinLothar | eg: htttp://www.url.com/index.php#comments |
| 00:33.04 | foxlit | Cide: anchors in HTML |
| 00:33.12 | Shirik | er |
| 00:33.25 | Shirik | there's no reason |
| 00:33.30 | Cide | that will work |
| 00:33.36 | Cide | do you have <a name="comments"></a>? |
| 00:33.39 | foxlit | Your UA may suck |
| 00:33.55 | Shirik | doubtful |
| 00:33.59 | Shirik | anchors have been around forever |
| 00:34.10 | AnduinLothar | <p name="comments"></p> in this case, but neither works |
| 00:34.36 | foxlit | Check by adding a link to the thing |
| 00:34.45 | foxlit | <a href="#comments">stuff</a> |
| 00:34.47 | foxlit | and clicking that |
| 00:35.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that doesn't work either |
| 00:35.47 | Cide | >>> 139435-41000 |
| 00:35.48 | Cide | Cide: 98435 |
| 00:36.44 | Cide | um |
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| 00:37.11 | Cide | I'm not sure, but maybe you need <a name="..."></a> and not <p>? |
| 00:37.23 | Cide | can't say for sure though - I always use <a> though |
| 00:37.32 | Cide | s/sure though/sure/ |
| 00:37.52 | AnduinLothar | that did it |
| 00:38.05 | AnduinLothar | doesn't liek <a name="comments" /> |
| 00:38.10 | AnduinLothar | liked <a name="comments"></a> |
| 00:38.12 | Cide | yep |
| 00:38.15 | Cide | I've had that issue too |
| 00:38.21 | Cide | not sure why, exactly |
| 00:39.18 | Bleeter | it's definately <a name=..></a> |
| 00:39.31 | Bleeter | http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.2 |
| 00:40.10 | AnduinLothar | yeah, btu i'm using XHTML 1.1 not html4 |
| 00:40.13 | Cide | Bleeter: right, but why <a name=..></a> and not <a name=.. />? |
| 00:40.25 | Bleeter | AnduinLothar: ah, oops. didn't notice that bit |
| 00:40.36 | Cide | oh, I guess I should read.. "End tag: required" |
| 00:42.19 | AnduinLothar | anyone know a quick way to parse out anchors from a url in php or should i regex it |
| 00:42.46 | buu | Haha regexes and html. How very PHP. |
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| 00:43.06 | AnduinLothar | ah. parse_url |
| 00:43.16 | Cide | AnduinLothar: I'm not sure the anchors reach php? |
| 00:43.32 | AnduinLothar | do in this case |
| 00:43.37 | foxlit | They shouldn't really be sent to the server :/ |
| 00:43.43 | Bleeter | AnduinLothar: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_hypertextmodule maybe XHTML doesn't have <a name> /shrug |
| 00:43.46 | Cide | foxlit, I agree |
| 00:43.52 | foxlit | It's a purely client-side implementation |
| 00:44.02 | AnduinLothar | this is a special case |
| 00:44.16 | AnduinLothar | bypassign blogger's limits |
| 00:44.33 | Cide | all I'm saying is |
| 00:44.49 | Cide | I don't know if the #foo part of the url is even passed to PHP |
| 00:44.49 | AnduinLothar | i have no access to the perma link so i have to pass it as a GET object, parse out the parts i dont want and reconstruct it |
| 00:44.54 | Cide | ah |
| 00:45.00 | AnduinLothar | http://www.php.net/function.parse-url |
| 00:45.21 | Cide | well, that takes a string |
| 00:45.30 | AnduinLothar | go tit |
| 00:45.33 | AnduinLothar | got it |
| 00:45.52 | Cide | I thought you meant that you would use some kind of special variable to get the current url or something |
| 00:46.01 | Cide | e.g. $_META['foo'] |
| 00:46.15 | Cide | and I wasn't sure whether or not that contained the #bar part |
| 00:47.07 | foxlit | $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] most likely |
| 00:47.18 | Cide | yeah, probably |
| 00:56.39 | Industrial | rofl the next spiderman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02s8omM_hI |
| 00:58.39 | Esamynn | Industrial: ?????? O_o WTF??? |
| 00:59.00 | Industrial | too funny |
| 00:59.01 | Shirik | anyone here familiar with SSC? |
| 00:59.06 | Industrial | watch it again |
| 00:59.09 | Industrial | =E |
| 00:59.19 | Esamynn | Industrial: I've watched it about 6 times, I can't stop! |
| 00:59.23 | Industrial | xD |
| 00:59.27 | Esamynn | I keep going, WTF!!!!! |
| 00:59.50 | foxlit | Quick question: the default colorpicker seems to call the "done" function way too often |
| 00:59.59 | foxlit | Any real way of determining whether it's done or just changed? |
| 01:00.29 | AnduinLothar | it calls the done function every time it's changed |
| 01:00.51 | foxlit | But suppose I did not wish to preview the color change |
| 01:01.09 | AnduinLothar | well i know khaos has code for it, haven't sene it ina while |
| 01:02.07 | AnduinLothar | it just uses if ( not ColorPickerFrame:IsVisible() ) then |
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| 01:02.45 | AnduinLothar | well, to reshow the KhaosFrame. otherwise it always updates with the preview |
| 01:07.40 | tardmrr | yay for idiots who can't fiture out how to install addons |
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| 01:46.53 | Rallion | hmm...in my XP install I set up something in the registry that added "Edit as Text" and "Edit as Binary" items to the context menus for every file...I wonder how I did that |
| 01:47.12 | Rallion | and I wonder if it would still work with vista |
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| 02:08.30 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik: as long as you really care about the person and you are happy and having fun ... |
| 02:08.58 | Shirik | erm |
| 02:09.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:09.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:09.12 | Cairenn|afk | hehehehe |
| 02:12.01 | Cairenn|afk | ./topic #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 ToC: RTFPN please | 'DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS' - Shirik |
| 02:12.16 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 02:12.35 | Shirik | and this is why anyone who triest to take my nick now gets insta-boted :P |
| 02:12.37 | Shirik | booted |
| 02:12.48 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:16.10 | Cidan | what's the default frame strata on creation? |
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| 02:16.43 | Cidan | anyone? |
| 02:18.35 | Cidan | MEDIUM it is |
| 02:21.19 | Cide | yes, it's medium! |
| 02:22.06 | Cidan | yeah, dumped CreateFrame("frame"):GetFrameStrata to chat, :x |
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| 02:46.43 | ckknight | art3mis: how did you stumble onto my secret Web 4.0 project? |
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| 02:53.00 | JoshBorke | night all |
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| 02:55.12 | cogwheel | ckknight: ping |
| 02:55.29 | ckknight | cogwheel: pong |
| 02:55.57 | cogwheel | Hey... can i get some insight into how micro menufu taints (or tainted) the spell book? |
| 02:56.28 | cogwheel | i'm trying to come up with a good example of what I call "creeping taint" for the book |
| 02:57.09 | ckknight | hrm |
| 02:57.15 | ckknight | I have no damn idea why that would. |
| 02:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate creeping taint. and i have a lot of that because i have so many addons. too lazy to debug it tho. :( |
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| 03:00.50 | cogwheel | well, to give you a description of what I'm looking for: Addon taints some variable. Secure code becomes tainted by accessing said variable. Now-tainted code changes some other variable. Secure code becomes tainted by accessing this new variable. |
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| 03:02.05 | cogwheel | (with a careful understanding of the difference between persistent taint and tainted execution path) |
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| 03:03.21 | Shirik | very important difference |
| 03:03.27 | Shirik | but no answer for you |
| 03:04.07 | cogwheel | Well, i've got plenty of other stuff I need to cover for this chapter so i've still got time :P |
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| 03:25.25 | MentalPower | Helloes |
| 03:26.45 | cogwheel | yo |
| 03:27.47 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel no /sequence, no GetStatusMessage(), i am sad :( |
| 03:27.51 | Cairenn | hey MP |
| 03:28.26 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: yeah :( |
| 03:28.49 | MentalPower | hey Cair |
| 03:28.57 | MentalPower | anyone here know AutoIt? |
| 03:30.46 | sag_ich_nicht | no. also autohotkey is better D: |
| 03:31.07 | sag_ich_nicht | (unless you want to like, i dunno... do something crazy. >.>) |
| 03:31.27 | MentalPower | its not for WoW |
| 03:31.32 | MentalPower | its for work |
| 03:31.38 | Cidan | whew |
| 03:32.02 | MentalPower | I need to know how to read parameters passed to my AutoIt script from the commandline |
| 03:34.10 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 03:34.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ah right i wanted to read that SVN commit log. |
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| 03:38.53 | sag_ich_nicht | AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:39.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan i love you. and commit 36. |
| 03:39.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:40.18 | Shirik | omfg |
| 03:40.22 | Shirik | I was so about to tear his head off |
| 03:40.23 | Shirik | no kidding |
| 03:40.31 | Shirik | and it was Cairenn's fault too! |
| 03:40.33 | sag_ich_nicht | was he actually serious about this? :O |
| 03:40.40 | Shirik | dude, look at my following log! |
| 03:40.52 | sag_ich_nicht | i saw it already |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik | oh no he wasn't serious lol |
| 03:40.59 | Cairenn | wait, what? |
| 03:41.07 | sag_ich_nicht | hahahaha |
| 03:41.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: commit 36 to conspiracy: |
| 03:41.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Started conversion to Ace library. Files included into SVN and Ace now loads on boot. |
| 03:41.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Added AceInit.lua for setting Ace up for run with Conspiracy. |
| 03:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Commit 37: |
| 03:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Sometimes to get something done right you just have to do it yourself. Or not get your co-developer to sit in an IRC channel with people whom will torture you just for the fun of it. |
| 03:41.42 | sag_ich_nicht | (37 being the revert) |
| 03:41.48 | Cairenn | yeah, I know that, but I'm wondering how all of a sudden _I_ am being blamed for it |
| 03:42.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Mike-N-Go what. |
| 03:42.40 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:42.41 | Cidan | :D |
| 03:45.49 | Cidan | I hate it when code just stops working |
| 03:46.32 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 03:46.34 | sag_ich_nicht | sepotjsopafjasfsaf |
| 03:46.36 | sag_ich_nicht | BAD BAD TYPO |
| 03:46.43 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 03:47.12 | Cidan | none, :P |
| 03:48.20 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 03:48.22 | sag_ich_nicht | is that a bet? |
| 03:49.24 | sag_ich_nicht | are you challenging me? attractor of errors, destroyer of developer dreams? ARE YOU DARING ME TO LOAD IT? okay. |
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| 03:55.09 | sag_ich_nicht | must... cause... bug... |
| 03:56.57 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, not an error, you win. but i managed to create a popup that won't go away. :P |
| 03:57.02 | Cidan | yeah |
| 03:57.04 | Cidan | Just fixed that. |
| 03:57.06 | sag_ich_nicht | HA |
| 03:57.09 | End | oh, no wonder my code doesn't work |
| 03:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | AND I CREATED AN ERROR |
| 03:57.11 | sag_ich_nicht | VICTORY |
| 03:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | YOU STAND DEFEATED |
| 03:57.15 | Cidan | try now |
| 03:57.18 | End | it's ignoring one of the variables |
| 03:57.22 | Cidan | I just dumped a huge commit |
| 03:57.30 | Cidan | you have to quit wow, new textures and files are in. |
| 03:57.44 | sag_ich_nicht | just HOLD |
| 03:57.57 | sag_ich_nicht | first i have to submit the proof of your DEFEAT |
| 03:58.15 | Cidan | I believe you, I never said I was god. |
| 03:58.28 | Cidan | pop-ups needed a lot of work, which I just spent time doing |
| 03:58.31 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/72361-1a5j |
| 03:59.25 | Cidan | hmm |
| 03:59.27 | Cidan | that's new, :P |
| 03:59.34 | sag_ich_nicht | updating to the new release now :P |
| 03:59.34 | Cidan | I take it statusbars can't have highlight textures? |
| 03:59.46 | Thunder_Child | "(20:58:34) (Cidan) I believe you, I said I was god." |
| 03:59.47 | End | Cidan: guess what |
| 03:59.48 | End | YOU LOST |
| 04:00.07 | art3mis | so hows my hello kitty UI coming along |
| 04:00.10 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik Cidan just LOST THE GAME |
| 04:00.38 | End | could a channel operator put in the topic that Cidan lost? Thanks! |
| 04:02.37 | Cidan | anyways, that bug was due to multiple popup frames etc, no issue now |
| 04:03.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't care :P |
| 04:03.17 | Cidan | I bet. :P |
| 04:03.39 | Cidan | now that's done, I'm going to move on to window docking |
| 04:05.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ...okay who broke my rdx. |
| 04:05.20 | Shirik | god my DPS sucked tonight |
| 04:05.29 | Shirik | time to clear my mind by squashing some bugs |
| 04:05.37 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 04:05.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan |
| 04:05.45 | sag_ich_nicht | you broke rightclicks with that commit |
| 04:05.55 | Cidan | I did no such thing. |
| 04:06.09 | art3mis | sweet |
| 04:06.10 | Cidan | I haven't even touched the binding code |
| 04:06.17 | art3mis | there's a KISS game for dreamcast |
| 04:06.18 | sag_ich_nicht | no, i mean for the frames |
| 04:06.25 | Cidan | Works fine for me. |
| 04:06.27 | sag_ich_nicht | you did. i can only click in a tiny little area at the bottom of the title bar. |
| 04:06.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ...now it's the whole titlebar |
| 04:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | okay i think i had too much alcohol :O |
| 04:06.52 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:06.56 | Cidan | I can click around just fine |
| 04:06.56 | Shirik | Cid is that main menu set |
| 04:06.58 | Shirik | for me to take over? |
| 04:07.07 | Shirik | or are you still playing with it |
| 04:07.14 | Shirik | (i.e., the top bar) |
| 04:07.16 | Cidan | Uh, I... guess? There's nothing in it, but that top title bar is a health bar |
| 04:07.27 | Shirik | yeh |
| 04:07.27 | Cidan | that top title bar is actually a cell |
| 04:07.44 | Cidan | so, do as you wish with it. |
| 04:07.58 | Cidan | You can even build the main menu if you would like, though I'm not sure if I'll be changing pop-ups |
| 04:08.18 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, VFL broke my RDX, it was disabled for no apparent reason :O |
| 04:08.29 | Cidan | oh yeah, I put in VFL disabling code. |
| 04:08.33 | Cidan | Forgot |
| 04:08.39 | Cidan | I kid, I kid. :P |
| 04:08.53 | Cidan | Shirik, did you see my in game tells? |
| 04:09.22 | Shirik | mhm... let's switch over to #conspiracy though so we aren't OT :P |
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| 04:09.28 | Cidan | kk |
| 04:09.30 | sag_ich_nicht | you aren't OT here ;P |
| 04:09.39 | Kiboroko | ello ello |
| 04:09.49 | Shirik | hello |
| 04:09.57 | Cidan | hell hell |
| 04:10.01 | Cidan | get it?! |
| 04:10.13 | Cidan | I left the other letter o... forget it. |
| 04:10.18 | Kiboroko | having some issues trying to make an addon, anyone think they can help? |
| 04:10.23 | Kiboroko | lol, I got it Cid |
| 04:10.34 | End | possibly |
| 04:10.36 | Cidan | We can, we can. |
| 04:10.40 | Cidan | Depends |
| 04:10.53 | End | it depends on whether your addon consumes the souls of small children or not |
| 04:11.02 | Cidan | If it does, we'll be happy to help. |
| 04:11.08 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cidan |
| 04:11.08 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Cidan |
| 04:11.14 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 04:11.15 | Cairenn | no reason to change channels if you don't want to, not like there's some other major conversation going on in here atm |
| 04:11.22 | End | if it does, we'll have to speak to our lawyers first, who are currently consuming the souls of small children |
| 04:11.42 | End | see, lawyer bashing |
| 04:11.46 | End | it's always in style |
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| 04:12.34 | Shirik | I think we just completely lost Kiboroko |
| 04:12.39 | Shirik | good job guys, you scared him away |
| 04:13.05 | sag_ich_nicht | gg, no re |
| 04:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 04:14.28 | Kiboroko | lol, I can get it to show up on the list, but it says incompatible, and if I have no space in front of the ## on the .toc, then it will have a / at the end of the title and/or note |
| 04:14.28 | cladhaire | Cide: imp mana burn worth it in 2v2? |
| 04:14.28 | Cidan | ah |
| 04:14.28 | Kiboroko | I'm thinking its a .toc problem but no idea |
| 04:14.28 | Kiboroko | this is the first addon I'm making |
| 04:14.28 | Cidan | make sure the TOC version number reads 20100 |
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| 04:14.29 | Kiboroko | its 20200 |
| 04:14.29 | Kiboroko | I'll switch and try again |
| 04:14.29 | Cidan | be sure you quit WoW when you change it |
| 04:14.29 | Kiboroko | but of course =^.^= |
| 04:14.29 | Cidan | and .toc changes and you have to exit the game all the way |
| 04:14.29 | Cidan | can't just log out. |
| 04:14.49 | Kiboroko | hmmm, still shows as incompatible |
| 04:16.43 | Cidan | wahoo split |
| 04:16.43 | Shirik | show me the exact file, line by line |
| 04:16.43 | Kiboroko | would it be a .lua problem? |
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| 04:16.49 | Kiboroko | the name or whats in it? |
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| 04:16.51 | Shirik | no |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | it has to be a TOC problem |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | and my display driver just crashed |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | as if that doesn't surprise me |
| 04:16.51 | Cidan | the first line should read |
| 04:16.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ...nvidia? |
| 04:16.51 | Cidan | ## Interface: 20100 |
| 04:17.24 | Kiboroko | ok, so the contents of the file or the title of it |
| 04:17.24 | Kiboroko | check |
| 04:17.24 | Shirik | Intel; this computer was not even close to made to run WoW |
| 04:17.25 | Cidan | did you exit the wow program, ALL the way? quit it totally and closed it? |
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| 04:17.27 | Kiboroko | that I did |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | seriously, copy paste the file to pastey.net |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | give us the link |
| 04:17.27 | Cidan | yeah |
| 04:17.27 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:17.27 | Kiboroko | okies |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | god I love how clean nbs-irc makes netsplits now |
| 04:17.27 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. your healthbar cell doesn't work Shirik :P |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | it used to be so ugly |
| 04:17.43 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:17.43 | Shirik | not mine |
| 04:17.43 | Shirik | don't blame me |
| 04:17.43 | End | hmm |
| 04:17.43 | Cidan | his what now? |
| 04:18.05 | End | is there lag or something? :O Everyone suddenly talked at once. |
| 04:18.05 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 04:18.05 | Shirik | I haven't done anything visible whatsoever :P |
| 04:18.05 | sag_ich_nicht | sorry Shirik |
| 04:18.05 | sag_ich_nicht | that's cidans fault |
| 04:18.05 | sag_ich_nicht | AGAIN |
| 04:18.05 | End | I mean, there was that netsplit... |
| 04:18.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:18.16 | End | Cidan LOSES? |
| 04:18.16 | Shirik | End: I didn't get it |
| 04:18.16 | sag_ich_nicht | AGAIN |
| 04:18.16 | Cidan | the health bar isn't tied to anything |
| 04:18.16 | Cidan | it's just a solid 100% bar |
| 04:18.24 | sag_ich_nicht | then it's not a healthbar! |
| 04:18.33 | Shirik | it will be when I attach it to Units :P |
| 04:18.33 | Cidan | yes it is, just, not until we finish bossmods |
| 04:18.42 | sag_ich_nicht | it's just a bar filled with green color! |
| 04:18.42 | Kiboroko | http://pastey.net/72362 |
| 04:18.51 | Shirik | I think that's my next step Cidan, I'm going to push to making the encounters API |
| 04:19.11 | Cidan | kk |
| 04:19.23 | Cidan | mind you, I don't have SRGH/click casting in yet |
| 04:19.29 | Cidan | won't be for at least another week or so |
| 04:19.51 | Shirik | ok Kiboroko, what is the exact name of the file, and what is the path to it |
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| 04:20.22 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ all mighty how did you create those windows Shirik / Cidan, i can't catch them with Fluidframes... IMPOSSIBLE D: |
| 04:20.45 | Shirik | don't know what fluidframes is, but |
| 04:20.55 | Shirik | they're not exactly... simple :P |
| 04:20.57 | Kiboroko | not sure the start of the path, but its in interface/AddOns/ReputationKills/ReputationKills.toc |
| 04:21.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik Fluidframes is the god of moveable frames |
| 04:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar Shirik has defeated you. |
| 04:21.23 | Shirik | RDX frames are movable on their own? o.o |
| 04:21.31 | sag_ich_nicht | not what i mean. |
| 04:21.53 | Shirik | you're not going to be able to easily get them, I'm afraid. Their identifiers can change without warning, etc. |
| 04:22.01 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 04:22.05 | Cidan | I refuse to use XML |
| 04:22.21 | Cidan | I have truly dynamic window pools and templates |
| 04:22.42 | Cidan | Works wonders for memory management |
| 04:22.52 | Shirik | Kiboroko ok stupid question |
| 04:22.56 | Shirik | what version of WoW are you running |
| 04:23.04 | Cidan | Shirik, same thing I thought. |
| 04:23.13 | Kiboroko | what version of WoW? ummm....the...normal one? |
| 04:23.32 | Shirik | open up wow, in the bottm left corner you should see a long string of numbers |
| 04:23.34 | Shirik | what's it exactly? |
| 04:23.52 | sag_ich_nicht | in b4 flame. |
| 04:24.25 | Kiboroko | Version 2.1.3 (6898)... |
| 04:24.38 | Shirik | (I still need to find how to get mine, considering WoW is a black screen to me) |
| 04:24.40 | Kiboroko | that what you mean? |
| 04:24.53 | Shirik | I expected something a little different but that might be right |
| 04:24.56 | End | funny, I'm running Version Hello Kitty Adventure |
| 04:25.02 | Shirik | ~lart End |
| 04:25.02 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of End |
| 04:25.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: i suggest /run %ProgramFiles%\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe -opengl |
| 04:25.43 | Shirik | ok I'm on 6898 so yeah |
| 04:25.45 | Shirik | well |
| 04:25.50 | Shirik | I have no graphics driver right now? |
| 04:25.51 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 04:25.58 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 04:26.02 | Cidan | that is what I have. |
| 04:26.06 | Shirik | I'm running in what looks like 200x400 res |
| 04:26.11 | Cidan | how queer. |
| 04:26.12 | Shirik | 16 color |
| 04:26.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 04:26.15 | sag_ich_nicht | nvidia? |
| 04:26.16 | Shirik | I told you it crashed! |
| 04:26.17 | Cidan | bah, laggy server |
| 04:26.23 | Shirik | I haven't restarted yet |
| 04:26.29 | Shirik | bleh, brb |
| 04:26.32 | sag_ich_nicht | IS IT NVIDIA?! |
| 04:26.37 | sag_ich_nicht | he can't answer my question it seems D: |
| 04:27.01 | Cidan | Shirik, don't answer |
| 04:27.02 | Cidan | :D |
| 04:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i have the same damn issue from time to time |
| 04:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | and i have nvidia D: |
| 04:27.02 | Cidan | I don't |
| 04:27.02 | Shirik | 002:162:18 12‹Shirik12› Intel; this computer was not even close to made to run WoW |
| 04:27.02 | Cidan | I run nvidia too |
| 04:27.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik okay sorry D: |
| 04:27.17 | sag_ich_nicht | i remember now |
| 04:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | you are on 56k. |
| 04:27.27 | Shirik | actually, I'm not :P |
| 04:27.35 | Shirik | that ended a few days ago |
| 04:27.39 | Cidan | wednesday |
| 04:27.40 | Cidan | :D |
| 04:27.42 | Shirik | seriously afk so I can see what I'm typing again |
| 04:27.45 | sag_ich_nicht | that explains a lot. |
| 04:27.56 | Kiboroko | hums |
| 04:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | also, i played around a bit, you used that mostly in RDX too already, right Cidan? |
| 04:28.11 | Kiboroko | *beats the .toc with a stick* |
| 04:28.26 | Cidan | hmm |
| 04:28.31 | Cidan | Strange Kiboroko |
| 04:28.46 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht, what do you mean? |
| 04:28.58 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 04:29.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: this way of frame creation |
| 04:29.50 | Cidan | yes, though not 100% |
| 04:30.01 | Cidan | cells still used XML because old RDX 5 did, never converted |
| 04:30.06 | Cidan | here, it's 100% lua |
| 04:30.06 | Kiboroko | Cidan, any idea of what it might be, or you completely lost too? |
| 04:30.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko i have an idea. |
| 04:30.22 | sag_ich_nicht | you are saving in the wrong encoding. |
| 04:30.29 | Cidan | Ah, that could be it |
| 04:30.29 | Kiboroko | what do you mean? |
| 04:30.34 | Cidan | what are you using to edit the file? |
| 04:30.40 | Kiboroko | text edit |
| 04:30.45 | sag_ich_nicht | what, |
| 04:30.47 | sag_ich_nicht | *what. |
| 04:30.49 | Cidan | what os? |
| 04:30.52 | End | did you check FrameXML.log? |
| 04:31.11 | Cidan | what OS do you run? |
| 04:31.12 | Kiboroko | 10 |
| 04:31.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 04:31.17 | Cidan | OS X? |
| 04:31.26 | Kiboroko | errr...yes |
| 04:31.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko if you are a mac user, you fucking state that. |
| 04:31.32 | Kiboroko | gah, sorry |
| 04:31.32 | Cidan | yes please. |
| 04:31.32 | sag_ich_nicht | because otherwise everyone thinks you use windows. |
| 04:31.33 | Cidan | :P |
| 04:31.41 | Kiboroko | I am a mac user, and have no right click |
| 04:31.56 | sag_ich_nicht | get a mighty mouse then. |
| 04:31.59 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 04:32.08 | Cidan | What is text edit? Is there a very basic test editor you can use? (Does not know macs) |
| 04:32.16 | Cidan | like, the most basic OS level text editor |
| 04:32.23 | Kiboroko | that is the basic text editor |
| 04:32.32 | Cidan | aw heck, now you got me curious |
| 04:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan. let me solve this in another way. |
| 04:32.37 | Cidan | ... |
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| 04:33.34 | Kiboroko | Wb Shirik |
| 04:33.54 | Shirik | hi |
| 04:33.56 | Cidan | also, shirik |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | ok so yeah |
| 04:33.58 | Cidan | he runs OS X |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik | something really strange is going on |
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| 04:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | god. no pure binary port of Xemacs for Mac OS X. |
| 04:34.25 | sag_ich_nicht | fail. |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | I wonder |
| 04:34.39 | art3mis | go go gadget nano! |
| 04:34.40 | Shirik | hey Kiboroko |
| 04:34.43 | Kiboroko | yes? |
| 04:34.44 | Shirik | can you e-mail me the file? |
| 04:34.46 | End | doesn't Xemacs require a working X server? |
| 04:34.56 | End | doesn't OS X not run an X server by default? |
| 04:35.00 | Kiboroko | I can certainly try |
| 04:35.01 | sag_ich_nicht | End 3 words: Mac OS X |
| 04:35.07 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: xemacs sucks, gnuemacs :P |
| 04:35.07 | Shirik | tg.skullshot@gmail.com |
| 04:35.10 | cladhaire | run carbon emacs |
| 04:35.12 | cladhaire | or aquamacs |
| 04:35.13 | Shirik | cladhaire: emacs sucks, period |
| 04:35.16 | Shirik | vim. |
| 04:35.19 | sag_ich_nicht | EMACS |
| 04:35.21 | cladhaire | Shirik: I like vim too |
| 04:35.24 | cladhaire | you can't start a holy war with me. |
| 04:35.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:35.29 | art3mis | umm sag |
| 04:35.35 | Cidan | nano |
| 04:35.36 | Cidan | done |
| 04:35.39 | art3mis | os/x the X == 10 ;) |
| 04:35.43 | art3mis | dumbass |
| 04:35.45 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis except, no, not. |
| 04:35.46 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 04:35.51 | Cidan | OH LOOK I DON'T HAVE TO PRESS 80 KEYS TO INSERT A SINGLE LETTER |
| 04:35.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:36.00 | art3mis | nano is great ;P |
| 04:36.12 | Cidan | WHY CAN'T I QUIT?! |
| 04:36.17 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT I DON'T HAVE TO PRESS ANY KEYS EITHER TO ENTER A SINGLE LETTER, EXCEPT FOR THE LETTER ITSELF |
| 04:36.21 | Shirik | dude |
| 04:36.23 | Shirik | :quit |
| 04:36.25 | Shirik | not that hard |
| 04:36.25 | sag_ich_nicht | GO BLAME VIM USERS AND THEIR STUPID INSERTMODE D: |
| 04:36.27 | Shirik | :!quit |
| 04:36.31 | Cairenn | yo |
| 04:36.39 | Cidan | Cairenn, home dog? |
| 04:36.39 | sag_ich_nicht | (capslock for emphasis on flamewar, and non seriousness) |
| 04:36.43 | Cairenn | <== migraine. quit yelling |
| 04:36.47 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:36.51 | Shirik | poor Cairenn /hug |
| 04:36.55 | Cidan | :( |
| 04:37.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn. get to bed. you don't use the computer with a migraine D: |
| 04:37.18 | art3mis | cairenn: ya know what would make your headache go away? |
| 04:37.26 | Cidan | I'd hug you, but Shirik my self and my girlfriend are going out Monday and he'll tell her. They she will beat me. |
| 04:37.29 | art3mis | making me a hello kitty ui ;) |
| 04:37.34 | Cidan | s/they/then |
| 04:37.39 | Cairenn | I know you guys aren't actually serious, if I thought you were (good sex!) I'd be talking to you privately and telling you to quit it |
| 04:37.53 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:37.55 | Cidan | ... |
| 04:37.56 | End | Cidan: with a pokey stick? |
| 04:38.02 | Shirik | no, Nalia hates me |
| 04:38.03 | Cidan | Am I the only one that didn't get that at all? |
| 04:38.06 | Kiboroko | sent the file Shirik |
| 04:38.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go_ (n=MikeNGoS@72-254-17-122.client.stsn.net) |
| 04:38.19 | Cairenn | (answer to) (12:37:13 AM) art3mis: cairenn: ya know what would make your headache go away? |
| 04:38.20 | Kiboroko | but just the .toc |
| 04:38.24 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:38.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-239-58-32.starstream.net) |
| 04:38.30 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 04:38.32 | Shirik | damn I'm good :P |
| 04:38.34 | art3mis | Cidan: shes refering to our rather offhanded bad words towards each other ;P |
| 04:38.38 | Shirik | your file is an absolute mess actually |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | what editor are you using to do this? |
| 04:38.48 | art3mis | no i really am serious about that |
| 04:38.53 | Shirik | let me show you what I got |
| 04:38.57 | Kiboroko | text editor |
| 04:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: [06:37] <art3mis> making me a hello kitty ui ;) |
| 04:38.59 | Cidan | no no, I mean by what she said mid sen... ah forget it |
| 04:39.00 | art3mis | im gonna work on it tomorrow ;P |
| 04:39.13 | Cidan | Shirik, Mac OS X uses \n |
| 04:39.17 | Cidan | and not \r\n |
| 04:39.20 | Shirik | it's... a bit worse than that |
| 04:39.21 | Cairenn | woot! get screenshots of Shirik showing us what he's got! |
| 04:39.23 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/72363 |
| 04:39.24 | Cidan | ... oh? |
| 04:39.28 | End | Kiboroko: so, the server was going all netsplitty when you first described your problem....is it not showing in the addons folder |
| 04:39.32 | Cidan | Cairenn, I will, I'm taking my camera |
| 04:39.33 | art3mis | cidan: shes only human how can she not think that the best cure for a migraine is good sex ;) |
| 04:39.37 | sag_ich_nicht | lol rtf. |
| 04:39.38 | Kiboroko | dang |
| 04:39.40 | End | s/folder/button/ |
| 04:39.53 | End | (insert question mark) |
| 04:39.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:39.57 | art3mis | rtf? is that the scooby version of wtf? |
| 04:39.57 | Kiboroko | its showing on the list now |
| 04:40.03 | Cidan | you're saving it as something other than .txt |
| 04:40.03 | art3mis | rut tha fsck? |
| 04:40.07 | Cidan | or rather, just plaintext |
| 04:40.08 | End | also |
| 04:40.19 | End | WoW doesn't care if it's unix or windows style newlines |
| 04:40.27 | End | I appear to use unix newlines |
| 04:40.30 | Kiboroko | I had to take off the .rtf at the end of the .toc |
| 04:40.35 | Shirik | but it does care if it's all that mess :P |
| 04:40.37 | Cidan | Well, good. |
| 04:40.39 | Kiboroko | I think, whatever was at the end of it |
| 04:40.44 | Kiboroko | and THEN it showed |
| 04:40.44 | End | well, if it isn't consistant |
| 04:40.47 | End | that might be a problem |
| 04:40.48 | sag_ich_nicht | End: but mac OS X uses neither :P |
| 04:40.55 | Shirik | you need to make sure you're saving as a pure text file |
| 04:41.02 | End | I'm pretty sure OS X uses unix newlines |
| 04:41.09 | Cidan | Shirik, when I get your picture I'm going to put it up along with the picture of me I have up at emoemu |
| 04:41.12 | Shirik | I recommend picking up a developer software, not just a general text editor |
| 04:41.12 | End | pre OS X was completely different though |
| 04:41.14 | Cidan | or on conspiracy-ui.com |
| 04:41.18 | Kiboroko | should I save it as .toc.txt? |
| 04:41.22 | Cidan | no |
| 04:41.22 | End | no |
| 04:41.22 | Shirik | no |
| 04:41.24 | sag_ich_nicht | End: okay, my error then. |
| 04:41.24 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:41.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | also: no. |
| 04:41.34 | Kiboroko | or do it in microsoft word? |
| 04:41.34 | End | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, you and your errors! |
| 04:41.36 | Cidan | no |
| 04:41.38 | Cidan | god no |
| 04:41.40 | End | sag_ich_nicht: YOU LOSE. |
| 04:41.40 | Cidan | christ no |
| 04:41.45 | End | sag_ich_nicht: but not as much as Cidan |
| 04:42.11 | Cidan | :( |
| 04:42.11 | End | Cidan: YOU LOSE more. |
| 04:42.11 | sag_ich_nicht | End: No, Cidan does, by default |
| 04:42.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 04:42.11 | Kiboroko | *is lost* |
| 04:42.11 | End | you both lose. |
| 04:42.11 | End | end of discussion. |
| 04:42.11 | End | begin of discussion. |
| 04:42.11 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | cladhaire: What do you use to edit files on mac? |
| 04:42.15 | Cidan | Kiboroko, if you're going to write code, use an IDE |
| 04:42.15 | sag_ich_nicht | if i lose everyone loses |
| 04:42.15 | End | Quick! Ham or Bacon? |
| 04:42.30 | Cidan | Kiboroko, or something that is meant to edit code. |
| 04:42.46 | cladhaire | Shirik: I use emacs |
| 04:42.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: emacs! |
| 04:42.50 | Cidan | Shirik, I think he uses pen an... HAHAHAH |
| 04:42.50 | sag_ich_nicht | there! |
| 04:42.54 | End | doesn't an IDE by definition include a compiler, debugger, etc? ;p |
| 04:42.54 | Shirik | comes with it default? |
| 04:43.04 | Kiboroko | IDE? |
| 04:43.11 | Shirik | integrated development environment |
| 04:43.13 | End | integrated development enviroment |
| 04:43.20 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ Kiboroko just use this to edit your textfiles: http://aquamacs.org/ |
| 04:43.30 | Cide | integrated development environment |
| 04:43.33 | cladhaire | i prefer carbon emacs to aquamacs |
| 04:43.36 | cladhaire | for what its worth |
| 04:43.37 | Kiboroko | yessir |
| 04:43.38 | sag_ich_nicht | or |
| 04:43.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i was just going to say |
| 04:43.41 | cladhaire | includes lua-mode by default, etc. |
| 04:43.46 | End | anyways, get something sane with text highlighting 8-) |
| 04:43.47 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 04:43.48 | Shirik | Kiboroko: You're also going to get one other benefit by doing this |
| 04:43.53 | sag_ich_nicht | change of plans Kiboroko |
| 04:43.54 | Shirik | syntax highlighting will help you a lot down the road |
| 04:43.59 | Shirik | instead of reading all white and black |
| 04:44.01 | sag_ich_nicht | use this: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/carbonemacspackage.html |
| 04:44.09 | Cidan | eh, all white and black works better for me sometimes |
| 04:44.15 | Cidan | like C/C++ |
| 04:44.16 | Shirik | it hurts my eyes |
| 04:44.20 | Cidan | I love all white on black |
| 04:44.24 | Shirik | I look at the code and I'm like |
| 04:44.31 | Shirik | o_____________________________________o |
| 04:44.39 | sag_ich_nicht | white on black is for pussies. real men use green on black with scanlines. |
| 04:44.40 | Cidan | Shirik, don't ever do that again. |
| 04:44.46 | Shirik | o________________________________________________________o |
| 04:44.49 | End | Shirik: is that a wide face you have there? |
| 04:44.53 | Shirik | very wide |
| 04:44.54 | Cidan | :( |
| 04:44.55 | sag_ich_nicht | o_________________________________________________________________________________________________o |
| 04:45.11 | Shirik | notice the perfectly horizontal smile |
| 04:45.12 | Cide | >>> "o"..("_"):repeat(198).."o" |
| 04:45.13 | Cide | Cide: [string ""o"..("_"):repeat(198).."o""]:1: unexpected symbol near '"o"' |
| 04:45.13 | Cidan | KAWAIIIII DESU NEEEEE ^_______________________^ |
| 04:45.18 | Cide | >>> "o"..("_"):rep(198).."o" |
| 04:45.18 | Cide | Cide: "o______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:45.22 | Cide | >>> "o"..("_"):rep(197).."o" |
| 04:45.22 | Cide | Cide: "o_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________o" |
| 04:45.25 | Shirik | hai, sou desu ne |
| 04:45.32 | End | lol Cide |
| 04:45.46 | sag_ich_nicht | DAMARE! |
| 04:46.08 | Cidan | Shirik, Nihongo ga wakarimaska? |
| 04:46.11 | sag_ich_nicht | fukkin wapanese |
| 04:46.16 | sag_ich_nicht | i repeat: |
| 04:46.17 | Shirik | I wish |
| 04:46.17 | sag_ich_nicht | DAMARE! |
| 04:46.18 | Kiboroko | man, I would've never figured out what was wrong with it without your help, lol |
| 04:46.21 | Shirik | only very little |
| 04:46.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko: |
| 04:46.36 | Shirik | I spent a few months in Japan a long time ago, but lost almost all of what I learned |
| 04:46.40 | sag_ich_nicht | [06:43] <sag_ich_nicht> use this: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/carbonemacspackage.html |
| 04:46.43 | sag_ich_nicht | did you catch that? :P |
| 04:46.46 | Kiboroko | yup |
| 04:46.49 | Shirik | I intend to pick it back up though |
| 04:46.49 | sag_ich_nicht | good. |
| 04:46.52 | Kiboroko | downloading it now |
| 04:46.56 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 04:46.56 | Shirik | And I'm totally going back to Japan some point in my life |
| 04:47.07 | sag_ich_nicht | wapanese D: |
| 04:47.09 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht, I have a deep interest in asian culture, and have since as long as I have studied history. Long before the wapanese farks came by and ruined it for the rest of us who are serious. |
| 04:47.21 | Shirik | me too :( |
| 04:47.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: not talking about you :P |
| 04:47.26 | Cidan | Note I say Asian, not Japanese. |
| 04:47.40 | Cidan | As in, my girlfriend is Chinese. |
| 04:47.43 | Shirik | I grew up in a very asian-populated area |
| 04:47.46 | Kiboroko | is it safe to assume everyone here plays WoW? |
| 04:47.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan stop defending yourself or you will actually get me interested in flaming & trolling you |
| 04:47.49 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 04:47.51 | Cidan | Kiboroko, lol? |
| 04:47.53 | Cide | Cidan: oh, so that's the "culture" you're interested in |
| 04:48.04 | Shirik | Kiboroko: Pretty much |
| 04:48.05 | Cidan | Perhaps. |
| 04:48.11 | Kiboroko | lol |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | Cidan is a lucky man :( |
| 04:48.28 | Cidan | I'll be sure to tell nals that |
| 04:48.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ...yellow fever, too? geez. |
| 04:48.28 | End | Cidan isn't a man, he's a killer robot. |
| 04:48.29 | Cide | mmhm, getting his fair share of asian culture |
| 04:48.32 | Cidan | while you're in front of her. |
| 04:48.37 | Shirik | I had a vietnamese girlfriend, but we had to go our separate ways |
| 04:48.44 | Shirik | I went to FL and she was a year younger |
| 04:49.01 | Cairenn | her age is regressing? neat |
| 04:49.02 | Kirkburn | They have an age limit in FL? :O |
| 04:49.06 | Shirik | .... |
| 04:49.10 | Kirkburn | damn |
| 04:49.12 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:49.20 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 04:49.28 | End | that's where the pool or fountain or whatever of youth is |
| 04:49.29 | Kiboroko | any of you guys hear bout that rare cat mount? in stranglethorn? |
| 04:49.38 | sag_ich_nicht | sure |
| 04:49.38 | Shirik | mount? |
| 04:49.40 | sag_ich_nicht | go into ZG |
| 04:49.44 | Shirik | oh the ZG one |
| 04:49.44 | sag_ich_nicht | kill priests |
| 04:49.45 | Kirkburn | I totally didn't get to sue one at Blizzcon ^^ |
| 04:49.45 | Kiboroko | aye, lvl 40 mount |
| 04:49.48 | Kiboroko | from a vendor |
| 04:49.51 | Kirkburn | No, not ZG |
| 04:49.53 | sag_ich_nicht | oh THAT one. |
| 04:49.54 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:49.56 | End | the trading card game mount? |
| 04:49.58 | Kiboroko | yeah, that one |
| 04:49.59 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 04:50.03 | Kiboroko | not tcg |
| 04:50.08 | Kiboroko | but the other other one |
| 04:50.11 | Kirkburn | uh |
| 04:50.11 | Kiboroko | =>.>= |
| 04:50.14 | End | the other other? |
| 04:50.15 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no other one. |
| 04:50.21 | sag_ich_nicht | there is the crystal tiger |
| 04:50.22 | Kiboroko | the one in the cave |
| 04:50.23 | sag_ich_nicht | from the TCG |
| 04:50.27 | End | you'd have to give a lot more details... |
| 04:50.30 | sag_ich_nicht | and then there is the ZG mount. |
| 04:50.33 | Kiboroko | the bengal tiger one |
| 04:50.35 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no other mount in strangle. |
| 04:50.41 | sag_ich_nicht | that's from ZG. |
| 04:50.44 | Kiboroko | its a secret mount |
| 04:50.51 | Kiboroko | lol, not the ZG tiger |
| 04:50.52 | sag_ich_nicht | there are no secret mounts. |
| 04:50.57 | Kiboroko | lol, there is |
| 04:51.03 | sag_ich_nicht | lol, THERE ISN'T |
| 04:51.09 | Kirkburn | www.wowwiki.com/Mounts lists them all |
| 04:51.11 | Kiboroko | guess you don't know bout it then |
| 04:51.16 | Cairenn | Shirik: just remember, 15'll get you 20 |
| 04:51.25 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 04:51.33 | Cidan | http://emoemu.com/nalia.jpg |
| 04:51.38 | Cidan | girlfriend |
| 04:51.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko WoW is a game that uses .mpq as it's data format, a fileformat decompiled since the times of starcraft |
| 04:51.44 | sag_ich_nicht | if there was such a mount |
| 04:51.45 | Cairenn | well, if she keeps regressing in age ... |
| 04:51.48 | Shirik | that's the girl that hates me |
| 04:51.50 | Shirik | btw |
| 04:51.50 | sag_ich_nicht | it would have been found by datamining already. |
| 04:51.57 | Cidan | she does not hate you. |
| 04:52.00 | sag_ich_nicht | there isn't. get over it. or you mean something different. |
| 04:52.07 | Kirkburn | Rhonin has been found btw :P |
| 04:52.28 | Shirik | Rhonin? |
| 04:52.32 | Kirkburn | Who he? |
| 04:52.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (n=chuckg@66-239-58-32.starstream.net) |
| 04:53.02 | sag_ich_nicht | WHAT |
| 04:53.04 | sag_ich_nicht | KIRKBURN WHERE |
| 04:53.11 | sag_ich_nicht | GIEV GIEV GIEV |
| 04:53.17 | Kiboroko | anyone on the undermine server? |
| 04:53.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko: http://www.wowwiki.com/Swift_Zulian_Tiger |
| 04:53.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Zul'gurub. I'm telling you. |
| 04:53.46 | Kiboroko | not that one |
| 04:53.52 | Kiboroko | lol, I know that its not that |
| 04:53.54 | End | Rhonin was a guy in one of the books I think? |
| 04:53.55 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowwiki.com/Swift_Zulian_Tiger |
| 04:54.04 | End | he went back in time I think? |
| 04:54.19 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no other fucking tiger in the damn game, want me to datamine the damn MPQ? D: |
| 04:54.22 | Kirkburn | Kiboroko, describe more to us then! |
| 04:54.24 | Shirik | Kiboroko: Undermine? |
| 04:54.29 | Kiboroko | http://www.thottbot.com/i8628 |
| 04:54.41 | Kiboroko | I believe that is it, but the name of it is diff |
| 04:54.48 | Kiboroko | yeah, the undermine server |
| 04:55.07 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Undermine_US |
| 04:55.20 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 04:55.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko |
| 04:55.23 | Kiboroko | ....no one has chars on that server? |
| 04:55.28 | sag_ich_nicht | that's a NE racial mount. |
| 04:55.34 | Kiboroko | look at the stats |
| 04:55.35 | End | I wonder where Alleria and Turalyon |
| 04:55.38 | End | are |
| 04:55.41 | art3mis | mmm cheese |
| 04:55.48 | Kiboroko | its those stats but its called Reins of the Bengal Tiger |
| 04:55.48 | sag_ich_nicht | one of the old ones, to be exactly. |
| 04:55.56 | Kirkburn | End, in one of the Outland portals |
| 04:56.05 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ okay |
| 04:56.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i found it |
| 04:56.07 | sag_ich_nicht | hold. |
| 04:56.10 | Kiboroko | if its NE racial, why does it have horde races on what can ride it? lol |
| 04:56.22 | End | Kirkburn: really? :O |
| 04:56.23 | Kirkburn | It was planned that they'd be introduced when they opened them, but obviously that's not yet happened |
| 04:56.27 | End | ah |
| 04:56.29 | End | I see |
| 04:56.31 | Kirkburn | Yeah, was mentioned at Blizzcon |
| 04:56.47 | End | well, sunwell still needs to open too :P |
| 04:56.53 | Kirkburn | 2.4 ftw :P |
| 04:57.13 | Cidan | oh |
| 04:57.22 | Cidan | maybe I'm newb but I so did not know that 3 more people died in that mine |
| 04:57.23 | Kirkburn | And about Rhonin, time traveller dude - his model was in the Naxx patch :) |
| 04:57.25 | Kiboroko | meh, I'mma try and get mine tomorrow |
| 04:57.29 | Shirik | ok Cidan I'm going to finish this up tomorrow, I'm dead tired after long day today |
| 04:57.35 | Shirik | you all have a good night |
| 04:57.38 | Cidan | me too, it's fine |
| 04:57.41 | Cidan | I stopped coding an hour ago |
| 04:57.52 | Cidan | later everyone |
| 04:57.53 | Shirik | Kiboroko good luck, etc. |
| 04:58.01 | Cidan | OOOO, going to a duck house tomorrow morning |
| 04:58.02 | Cidan | forgot |
| 04:58.03 | Cidan | mmm |
| 04:58.07 | Kiboroko | ty Shirik, have a good night |
| 04:58.21 | Shirik | no worries, you'll just have a bunch of updates tomorrow to grab |
| 04:58.21 | art3mis | brb |
| 04:58.22 | Kirkburn | Houses for ducks? |
| 04:58.25 | Shirik | Nothing else for me to do :P |
| 04:58.30 | Kirkburn | Night Shirik |
| 04:58.31 | Cidan | yay, :P |
| 04:58.37 | Cidan | if you need to update the API, go for it |
| 04:58.40 | Cidan | add something, etc |
| 04:59.35 | Cidan | man |
| 04:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 04:59.38 | sag_ich_nicht | have it |
| 04:59.42 | Cidan | I hope Dean misses Florida |
| 04:59.46 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko PTR check this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYEjwOlHu_M |
| 04:59.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ~_~ |
| 04:59.50 | purl | :/ |
| 05:00.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 05:00.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:00.48 | sag_ich_nicht | that'll teach him! |
| 05:01.09 | Kiboroko | thats the one |
| 05:01.32 | Cide | and that's fake |
| 05:01.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: that too |
| 05:01.45 | Kiboroko | I've found the cave |
| 05:01.51 | sag_ich_nicht | but i wasn't going to tell Kiboroko that |
| 05:01.54 | Cidan | it's a priv server |
| 05:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 05:01.55 | Cidan | :/ |
| 05:01.57 | Cide | Kiboroko: and the npc with the vendor? |
| 05:02.06 | Kiboroko | I'll find out on that tomorrow |
| 05:02.08 | Cide | err, and the npc and the vendor* |
| 05:02.13 | Cide | well, let me tell you |
| 05:02.17 | Kiboroko | it isn't ALWAYS there |
| 05:02.18 | Cide | there is no npc |
| 05:02.21 | Cide | haha |
| 05:02.27 | Cide | whatever you say, mr |
| 05:02.47 | Kiboroko | the fireworks vendors in rachet are there only once or twice a year |
| 05:02.49 | Cide | s/ALWAYS/NEVER/ |
| 05:02.53 | Kiboroko | dun mean they don't exist |
| 05:02.55 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 05:02.58 | sag_ich_nicht | it's saturday |
| 05:03.02 | Cide | Kiboroko: and you believe in this? |
| 05:03.02 | sag_ich_nicht | it's 07:02 local time. |
| 05:03.06 | Kiboroko | why not? |
| 05:03.11 | Kiboroko | its worth a shot |
| 05:03.11 | Cide | no no |
| 05:03.13 | sag_ich_nicht | we will end this discussion quickly. |
| 05:03.20 | Cide | answer 'why?' |
| 05:03.23 | sag_ich_nicht | because i'll just go there right now and prove that it's not there. |
| 05:03.45 | Kiboroko | because I want a cat mount really badly and that could be a way to get it |
| 05:03.55 | Cide | are you a conspiracy theorist? |
| 05:03.56 | Kiboroko | lol, cuz it only appears weekly/monthly sag |
| 05:04.06 | Kiboroko | nope, I just want to believe in this cat |
| 05:04.15 | Cide | well, believe in something more probable instead |
| 05:04.17 | Cide | like.. god |
| 05:04.33 | Thrae | How does one wget a download from a php query? |
| 05:04.43 | Cide | Thrae: uh? |
| 05:04.45 | sag_ich_nicht | one does not, because one does not use wget |
| 05:04.48 | sag_ich_nicht | because curl is superior. |
| 05:04.59 | Kiboroko | well, if I do get it tomorrow, I'll know |
| 05:04.59 | Thrae | OK, how does one curl from a php query? |
| 05:05.02 | Cide | define 'php query' |
| 05:05.09 | Kiboroko | and you can believe it does or doesn't exist |
| 05:05.11 | Cide | Kiboroko: and everyone else will know that you won't |
| 05:05.13 | Cidan | ie download.php?fileid=1212 |
| 05:05.19 | End | doesn't php's file stuff allow you to use urls? |
| 05:05.19 | Cidan | is what he means |
| 05:05.20 | Cide | it's not a matter of believing, it's a matter of knowing |
| 05:05.22 | Kiboroko | *shrugs* |
| 05:05.29 | Kiboroko | don't know till you try it |
| 05:05.32 | Wobin | Any good fishing mods around? |
| 05:05.33 | Cide | Thrae: just use it as you normally would? |
| 05:05.40 | Kiboroko | anythings more likely to happen in a game |
| 05:05.52 | Cidan | Cide, doesn't always work |
| 05:05.57 | Cidan | depends on the script/server |
| 05:06.00 | Cide | if PHP sends you a file, it'll send you the file's contents and the proper file type header |
| 05:06.04 | Kiboroko | like a glitch that lets you get feared through walls and fall off the face of the world inside an insta |
| 05:06.10 | Cide | Cidan: if not, it's coded poorly |
| 05:06.11 | Thrae | Ah right, wget is a GET request, silly me. |
| 05:06.21 | Cidan | cide: right, :P |
| 05:06.29 | Cide | ?fileid=... is a GET query too :) |
| 05:06.30 | End | Thrae: thanks for confusing us! |
| 05:06.46 | Cide | Kiboroko: a bug doesn't get you a tiger mount that doesn't exist |
| 05:06.49 | Cidan | ah well, nini |
| 05:06.58 | Cide | now |
| 05:07.02 | Cide | time for me to sleep as well |
| 05:07.07 | Kiboroko | nighters |
| 05:07.16 | Cide | have fun going back to the cave every day for a year |
| 05:07.57 | Kiboroko | lol, if its not there later, I prob won't obsess over it |
| 05:08.00 | Cide | I'll enjoy doing productive stuff in the meantime :) |
| 05:08.17 | Cide | meh, not to mock you too much, but I do find it quite silly :) anyway, good night! |
| 05:08.31 | Kiboroko | if it is there, I'll be sure to take a ss and link it to you guys |
| 05:08.33 | Cide | and good luck with your tiger search |
| 05:08.39 | Kiboroko | lol, have a good one cuide |
| 05:08.41 | Kiboroko | cide even |
| 05:08.42 | Cide | if you do find it, I'll eat up my hat |
| 05:08.49 | Kiboroko | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.49 | Cide | and rm -rf / my webserver |
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| 05:11.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: the video showing the vendor is either from the PTR or a privatserver |
| 05:12.21 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm on my way there to prove it's not there :O |
| 05:12.27 | End | well, I can tell that the terrain does exist |
| 05:12.31 | Kiboroko | well, yeah its not there |
| 05:12.36 | Kiboroko | the vendor |
| 05:12.38 | Kiboroko | not right now |
| 05:12.51 | Kiboroko | what part of "appears once a week" don't you understand? |
| 05:13.00 | Kiboroko | and I've been to the cave |
| 05:13.14 | Kiboroko | the terrain is unfinished 'round it, but its there |
| 05:13.38 | End | either it is a private server, no such npc exists, or it isn't intended for players to have access to it |
| 05:13.46 | End | (obviously) |
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| 05:14.15 | Kiboroko | it might not be, but there is a way to get to it |
| 05:14.27 | Kiboroko | so there is the chance that the npc DOES appear |
| 05:14.27 | End | anyways, personally I suspect the item exists |
| 05:14.48 | End | items with similar item ids are also mounts |
| 05:14.54 | Kiboroko | I expect to find out =^.^= |
| 05:15.03 | End | level 40 cat mounts actually |
| 05:15.20 | Cide | sure, the item exists, no doubt |
| 05:15.25 | Cide | but the vendor doesn't :) |
| 05:15.27 | Cide | GOOD NIGHT. |
| 05:15.47 | End | the npc is definitely debatable :P |
| 05:16.14 | Kiboroko | we'll see we'll see |
| 05:16.35 | Kiboroko | like I said, I expect to find out |
| 05:16.49 | Kiboroko | hopefully its weekly not monthly |
| 05:16.52 | Kiboroko | if at all |
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| 05:47.33 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 05:47.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i am in the cave |
| 05:47.38 | sag_ich_nicht | there is nothing there. |
| 05:50.39 | Wobin | !c us argent dawn daydream |
| 05:50.42 | ThraeBot | Wobin: Daydream, Level 70 Night Elf Rogue (22/27/12). 7074 HP; 1378 AP; 307.3 Melee DPS; 19.11% melee crit; 74 melee hit; 27.87% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 972 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2gmbel ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bwyjk ]] |
| 05:55.44 | Kiboroko | lol, sag, ONCE A WEEK |
| 05:55.57 | Kiboroko | I KNOW its not there right now |
| 05:56.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Kiboroko i know. |
| 05:56.15 | Kiboroko | and hasn't been the past few days, didn't expect it to be |
| 05:56.35 | Kiboroko | I DO expect it later today though |
| 05:56.38 | sag_ich_nicht | i have heard word that it spawns at 9 pm every saturday :O |
| 05:56.42 | Kiboroko | but I'm only hopeful and not sure |
| 05:57.06 | Kiboroko | aye, so have I, but I only trust it maybe 75% |
| 05:57.22 | Kiboroko | I'm willing to wait in the cave and find out though |
| 05:58.57 | Kiboroko | in other news, got that addon to show up and work on the list, but the lua must be off because when I killed a guard, didn't do what I expected exactly |
| 05:59.25 | Kiboroko | it might be a bit complicated to do for a first addon, but I hope I'll figure this out |
| 06:01.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i am going to sleep now anyway |
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| 06:01.18 | sag_ich_nicht | and when i wake up it's not long till it should spawn. |
| 06:01.26 | Kiboroko | night sag |
| 06:01.30 | Kiboroko | have a good one |
| 06:01.44 | Kiboroko | gl with it and ty for the help |
| 06:05.42 | sag_ich_nicht | i doubt it exists |
| 06:05.56 | sag_ich_nicht | since talk about that stuff is already showing up in 2005 |
| 06:06.18 | End | I'm doubtful the npc exists (except on private), but it looks pretty likely the count mount does |
| 06:06.34 | End | there's a suspicious gap in item ids :P |
| 06:06.53 | End | I dunno where tht count came from |
| 06:07.03 | End | a count mount does not compute |
| 06:07.09 | End | unless its an adder |
| 06:07.26 | End | ok, I'm being silly |
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| 06:13.32 | Kiboroko | hmmms |
| 06:13.44 | Kiboroko | it'd be interesting to find out what the deal is on it |
| 06:13.52 | Kiboroko | I'd like it to be on normal servers |
| 06:14.00 | Kiboroko | and no one has it because they all think its fake |
| 06:14.02 | Kiboroko | mwuahahaha |
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| 07:00.36 | Kiboroko | ello new peoples |
| 07:00.49 | Kiboroko | how are ju this fine evening? |
| 07:01.17 | MentalPower | ... |
| 07:01.33 | Kiboroko | err.....this fine, early early morning |
| 07:01.41 | Kiboroko | ¿ |
| 07:02.04 | Kiboroko | oops, *flips the last mark over* |
| 07:02.06 | Kiboroko | ? |
| 07:02.08 | Kiboroko | better |
| 07:02.26 | MentalPower | ‽ |
| 07:02.35 | Kiboroko | yeeeeaaaah |
| 07:02.43 | Kiboroko | sorry bout that |
| 07:03.00 | MentalPower | you ok? |
| 07:03.08 | Kiboroko | maybe.....are you? |
| 07:03.55 | MentalPower | yes, I'm fine |
| 07:04.00 | Kiboroko | good! |
| 07:04.45 | Kiboroko | so mental, whats your main? |
| 07:05.46 | Kiboroko | ok....uhhhh.....whats your.....alt? |
| 07:07.25 | Kiboroko | ok.....don't...answer |
| 07:07.30 | Kiboroko | yay |
| 07:07.40 | Kiboroko | it worked....=o.O= |
| 07:09.42 | Kiboroko | ... |
| 07:09.54 | Kiboroko | I guess, I'll go....then... |
| 07:10.01 | Kiboroko | night!! |
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| 08:17.47 | Corrodias | boy |
| 08:17.54 | Corrodias | i kinda wish i played some collectable card game |
| 08:18.33 | zenzelezz | why is that? |
| 08:19.01 | Corrodias | they sound fun |
| 08:20.05 | Thunder_Child | it's not hard..just costs a TON of money |
| 08:20.16 | Corrodias | and that's half of why i don't play them |
| 08:20.26 | Corrodias | the other half, of course, being that i don't know anybody else who's interested |
| 08:20.52 | Thunder_Child | i can understand that, i must have spent many thousands of dollars on MTG |
| 08:23.30 | Corrodias | i can't go spending a ton of money just to be able to stand up to other players |
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| 08:24.13 | Corrodias | yet how else do you make a game like that interesting, getting people to have different cards, besides making them buy cards? |
| 08:24.40 | Thunder_Child | have them make their own, with a common set of rules |
| 08:24.49 | Thunder_Child | doesnt make money for the company though |
| 08:26.36 | Thrae | Spirit should do more, like if you have low spirit, your character won't always respond to your actions, stemming from low morale. L70 Orc Warrior Nephnos: "I don't feel like attacking Ragnaros right now. I just want to cry." |
| 08:27.06 | zenzelezz | in that case I demand my racial Diplomacy be able to convince the boss to just hand over his epics |
| 08:28.11 | Corrodias | i must insist that my druid be given the power to summon a plague of locusts |
| 08:28.25 | zenzelezz | I'm down with that |
| 08:28.41 | zenzelezz | Anub'rekhan style? |
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| 08:29.00 | Corrodias | never saw him |
| 08:29.09 | Corrodias | i've only peeked into aq20 and never seen aq40 |
| 08:29.12 | zenzelezz | he was actually pretty fun |
| 08:29.23 | zenzelezz | first boss in spider wing of Naxxramas |
| 08:29.38 | Corrodias | oh. even worse, never even been close to being inside there. |
| 08:30.00 | zenzelezz | every so often he did a Locust Swarm which hit for a shitload of nature damage... while he did that his runspeed was much slower than normal, so he was kited from one side of the room to the other =) |
| 08:31.35 | zenzelezz | my guild had a talent for making him evade, so we'd quite often do like 150-200% damage on him before he died |
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| 08:39.41 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, fear is a physical reaction to a chemical stimulus, not your spirit. Your spirit is what you would consider to be what makes you a good person or a bad one. |
| 08:40.16 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: You're not using the same definition of spirit that I am. |
| 08:40.30 | Thunder_Child | fine, but tell me i am wrong about fear |
| 08:40.30 | Thrae | In fact, I usually drink my spirits. |
| 08:40.49 | zenzelezz | if stats mattered in that way, I demand that my strength and stamina be directly related to my bag size |
| 08:40.57 | Thrae | I don't want to go into spirited debate right now ;) |
| 08:41.04 | Thunder_Child | gah, puns |
| 08:41.08 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Thrae |
| 08:41.08 | purl | slaps Thrae upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 08:41.16 | Thrae | That's the spirit! |
| 08:41.19 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 08:41.23 | zenzelezz | hey TC, did you get Hydross yet? |
| 08:41.30 | Corrodias | i'd say spirit needs to show up on more items. |
| 08:41.41 | Thunder_Child | ehh..we walked up to hydross |
| 08:41.50 | Corrodias | blizzard wants spirit to be better, so i do, too! i'm a fanboy! |
| 08:41.52 | zenzelezz | I remember your pun about it |
| 08:41.54 | Thunder_Child | but didnt really attempt anything |
| 08:41.59 | zenzelezz | you'll never get away from that fact |
| 08:42.03 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 08:42.03 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into zenzelezz's ear |
| 08:42.54 | Thunder_Child | you know the larts used to be better |
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| 08:43.19 | zenzelezz | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 08:43.19 | purl | crushes Thunder_Child with a full height scsi disk |
| 08:43.25 | zenzelezz | works for me |
| 08:43.32 | Thunder_Child | yea...that wasnt bad |
| 08:43.39 | Thunder_Child | the oter 2 were bad though |
| 08:43.42 | Thunder_Child | other* |
| 08:43.56 | zenzelezz | it has too many, some are bound to be poor |
| 08:44.00 | Thrae | You know what would be awesome? Like 2 70s vs 3-5 60s. The last boss is a player! |
| 08:45.17 | Thrae | Epic 40-man raid of <=40 vs 1 70 |
| 08:45.20 | zenzelezz | I think raid-instance end bosses are all really GMs sitting there waiting for a chance to mess things up |
| 08:45.40 | Thrae | Actually, I think 40 40s could easily kill 1 70 |
| 08:45.48 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 08:45.50 | Thrae | Maybe 40 20s |
| 08:46.00 | zenzelezz | depends on the class of the 70 |
| 08:46.05 | Thrae | True |
| 08:46.06 | Thunder_Child | the only thing that would stop them would be resistances |
| 08:46.45 | Thunder_Child | because the 40 lvl whatevers could cc the 70 till it was dead |
| 08:47.04 | Thrae | They should have lopsided fights though, that'd be neat. BGs tend to get way into 1v1 based on people's own selfishness. |
| 08:47.45 | Thrae | 40 30-40 vs 30 50-60. |
| 08:49.12 | Thrae | OK, maybe 40 30-39 vs 25 50-59 |
| 08:49.45 | art3mis | i love this show |
| 08:49.50 | art3mis | Pinks: All Out |
| 08:49.52 | Thunder_Child | hmm..50 60's vs 25 70's |
| 08:50.19 | zenzelezz | you know, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the title of some porn film |
| 08:50.20 | Thunder_Child | since the item differential between 60 and 70 is huge |
| 08:50.31 | art3mis | heh its legal 1/4 mile racing |
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| 08:51.15 | art3mis | there's a kid in the final 4 right now thats racing with his street legal car he drives to work and school |
| 08:51.15 | Thunder_Child | what really surprises me is that the same differental that they did from 60-70 they are going to do for 70-80 |
| 08:52.30 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=14159 ... the builder says ' will give it some further testing and hopefully move it to updates-testing |
| 08:52.44 | sag_ich_nicht | imho we need more hueg friggin AoE for BGs |
| 08:52.47 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: today. If you want to check it already you can also do that (by downloading from Kijo's URL)' |
| 08:53.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i hope WotLK provides exactly that with the siege weapons |
| 08:53.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (lol still not sleeping) |
| 08:54.17 | Srosh | Sleep is for the weak. |
| 08:55.36 | art3mis | more wine tuneing for wow? |
| 08:56.01 | Bleeter | art3mis: 0.9.43 has numerous DSOUND fixes, hopefully this'll result in some noise of some type from the 2.2 PTR |
| 08:56.14 | art3mis | ahh |
| 08:56.16 | art3mis | groovy |
| 08:56.33 | Bleeter | I'm particularly staring at an ALSA mixer change |
| 08:57.16 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, bittyrant is officially awesome and azureus can eat a dick. |
| 08:57.37 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: actually, you'll prolly be better off using all packages from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/wine/0.9.43/1.fc7/i386/ rather than the above URL, as the previous URL is for the metapackage and you won't have downloaded the others ;) |
| 08:57.47 | art3mis | bittyrant? |
| 08:58.03 | art3mis | how is it more awesome? |
| 08:58.56 | sag_ich_nicht | 1. downloads faster because of different peer selection algorythm(no, NOT a leecher client. just different system) 2. doesn't screw up my downloads because of some stupid bug in the newer azureus versions that aborts them all the time. |
| 08:59.27 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.slyck.com/story1371.html |
| 08:59.49 | zenzelezz | I still stick to uTorrent |
| 09:00.20 | art3mis | reading thier page |
| 09:00.21 | sag_ich_nicht | enjoy your RIAA ware. |
| 09:00.30 | art3mis | i actually like the swarm settings |
| 09:00.33 | art3mis | share more get more |
| 09:00.51 | art3mis | no more of these ass clowns sending out at 2k/s and leeching back at 400 |
| 09:01.38 | art3mis | http://bittyrant.cs.washington.edu/ |
| 09:02.11 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly. |
| 09:02.48 | sag_ich_nicht | what it does is make slow users slower for like, the first 2 hours of intial seeding of a torrent because of that, but afterwards it's actually faster for them |
| 09:03.14 | sag_ich_nicht | because more fast peers have the file already |
| 09:03.28 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: needless to say, 0.9.43 would appear to fail :( |
| 09:05.33 | Bleeter | ... unless you disable all sound :/ |
| 09:09.35 | Bleeter | so yeah, all us WoW Winers look like we're gunna be screwed with WoW 2.2 :/ Not suprised, was bound to happen one day in a major fashion. |
| 09:10.32 | Bleeter | Might have to lower myself to try it with Cedega soon :/ |
| 09:10.59 | Bleeter | I'd be a *LOT* happier if Blizz referred people to CrossOver rather than Cedega, but thems the breaks I guess. |
| 09:11.18 | sag_ich_nicht | blame wine, not blizz :O |
| 09:12.11 | Bleeter | erm... Blizz refer people who want to run WoW on Linux, to the commercial fork of Wine who don't send patches back to the original authors... and it's the original authors fault? |
| 09:13.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 09:14.09 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 09:14.15 | sag_ich_nicht | bittyrant is failing as well |
| 09:14.22 | Bleeter | (when there's a commercial version of Wine done by the original authors... don't make much sense to me) |
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| 09:45.06 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: actually, I blame blizzard for never having a full commercial SDL version of the game released... I'm sure libsdl.org's finances wouldn't be $4k in the red if they did ;) |
| 09:47.15 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.15 | sag_ich_nicht | also someone explain to poor Timbal here that it isn't the old next line trick: |
| 09:48.16 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965754059&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 09:48.24 | sag_ich_nicht | please :O |
| 09:48.30 | Bleeter | sure thing |
| 09:48.57 | Bleeter | forum's locked, can't |
| 09:49.22 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 09:49.26 | Bleeter | actually, I seem to recall that occasionally GM's take control of your toon to fix a certain class of issues |
| 09:49.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, flag might have stuck |
| 09:49.45 | Bleeter | and during that process, you get your toon with the <GM> tag above it... |
| 09:49.58 | Bleeter | yeah, was about to say I seem to recall someone reporting having a stuck GM flag before |
| 09:50.21 | Bleeter | but this was back when I was so nub I thought a lvl 10 white was hot |
| 09:50.53 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 09:50.58 | zenzelezz | GM possessed characters should get a <GMname's Minion> tag \o/ |
| 09:51.15 | Bleeter | lol zenzelezz, put it in the suggestion forum! |
| 09:52.02 | Bleeter | it's a good one, as it'd stop this kinda thing, they could then easily filter chat posts based on <\*\ Minion\>, and won't have things like that picture happen |
| 09:52.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 09:52.28 | sag_ich_nicht | good idea |
| 09:52.33 | zenzelezz | don't have access to post on US forum :-| |
| 09:52.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i want non-hidden GMs D: |
| 09:52.40 | Bleeter | (if, in fact, what I said above re: taking control and the <GM> tag is correct> |
| 09:52.50 | Bleeter | gah, so you mean it's all MY IDEA???!!! mwmahahahaha |
| 09:52.55 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 09:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> mhm, flag might have stuck |
| 09:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah that's pretty common |
| 09:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | they give your char GM permissions and forget to remove them before logging off |
| 09:53.20 | Bleeter | will submit that minion thing, I like it |
| 09:53.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't do very much with a regular wow client other than talk between factions |
| 09:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | as soon as a GM notices he'll log you off and revoke it most likely, though |
| 09:57.29 | art3mis | wow there sure are lots of 2.1.2 wow+tbc preconfigured for private server postings on usenet these days |
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| 10:04.03 | art3mis | sag the best part of that post is that tmibal appearantly didnt read anything and just looked at the picture |
| 10:04.26 | Bleeter | yup |
| 10:04.29 | art3mis | specially seeing as how he ignores the timestamp thing not to mention the community person posting saying that its an accidental gm flag ;P |
| 10:04.34 | Bleeter | I'm mentioning that in my suggestion ;) |
| 10:04.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i am going to find what is breaking my torrents. |
| 10:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: exactly my point |
| 10:05.19 | zenzelezz | sag: what's going wrong with the torrents? |
| 10:05.42 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz write errors because some other process is trying to lock the files |
| 10:05.53 | zenzelezz | hm, that's peculiar |
| 10:06.04 | art3mis | Dear Timbal: You obviously skim read far to much and are far to used to just looking for links to click, next time please keep your mouth closed and your fingers idle so you don't extend the belief that blizz cm's and gm's are morons. Thank you. Sincerely The WoW community. |
| 10:06.05 | sag_ich_nicht | so now i'm letting process monitor run and wait for the next error message from azureus |
| 10:06.25 | art3mis | sag_ich_nicht: i get that from time to time on downloads too |
| 10:06.27 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: please post that on the general forums. |
| 10:06.41 | art3mis | the post is locked |
| 10:06.43 | Bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1133914013&sid=1 |
| 10:06.47 | art3mis | it's a moot point |
| 10:06.52 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: so make a new thread. :P |
| 10:07.09 | Bleeter | rushed the last para, really hungry.. going to get food. post editing suggestions here, I'll be back in half an hour or so. |
| 10:07.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i figured it might be google desktop search, but i already told it to leave it's fingers away from the download folder to prevent that |
| 10:07.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate people that constantly rag on the CMs but sometimes the guys just don't pay attention |
| 10:07.43 | art3mis | thats much nicer than "you're a moron timbal STFU ;) |
| 10:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't blame them though, they're a combination of PR and forum moderation, two shit jobs combined into one :/ |
| 10:08.15 | Bleeter | more than likely the most shitful job @ blizz |
| 10:08.22 | Bleeter | and that includes the lavatory cleaners |
| 10:08.26 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: as a cm it's kind of your job to do more than "skim" |
| 10:08.34 | art3mis | infact thats your ONLY job |
| 10:08.43 | art3mis | you should at least make the attempt ;) |
| 10:08.50 | Bleeter | 'coz as we all know... managers suck, and customers suck.. CM's are the bit in the middle :P |
| 10:09.11 | Codayus | Bliz customer service is...um....surprisingly good considering the volume of noise on the forums? That's about the best thing I can think to say. |
| 10:09.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ...the forums need an iron hand |
| 10:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, they pretty much skim every thread, it's really the only way to do well :/ |
| 10:09.38 | Codayus | Just about the only good thing I can think to say too. :-) |
| 10:09.40 | Bleeter | Codayus: yes, I *will* totally agree with that statement. Heck, if it were my comapny, I'd just shut the forums down. |
| 10:09.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, is Timbal even a CM? |
| 10:09.44 | sag_ich_nicht | because there is no iron hand there atm |
| 10:09.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is he? |
| 10:09.47 | art3mis | im raelly surprised that one of them hasnt just created a thread and stickied it in the general forum of macro1= "This is an intended aspect of play, please discontinue discussion as it will not be further adressed" |
| 10:09.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Moderator, Mr_Rabies |
| 10:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 10:10.00 | art3mis | and then in ALL posts later just reply with /Macro1 |
| 10:10.07 | art3mis | that would be classic |
| 10:10.20 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 10:10.24 | Codayus | If I was Blizzard...I'd make much greater use of volunteers to moderate forums. |
| 10:10.25 | sag_ich_nicht | the forums need: |
| 10:10.40 | sag_ich_nicht | 1. A big red bold USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST tag. |
| 10:10.53 | sag_ich_nicht | 2. lots of use of the afformented tag. |
| 10:11.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | Codayus, volunteers are a bad idea |
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| 10:11.06 | Codayus | Let volunteer moderators hand out week bans, and just accept that there will be some abuse and mistakes... :-) |
| 10:11.08 | art3mis | Codayus: while volunteers are a touch more rabid, they're also fraught with biased flaws, which is why most forums have a godling in charge. |
| 10:11.34 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: Well, it works well for some MMOs. The issue with Bliz is that the volume is just SO HUGE...a solution which scales is...tricky. |
| 10:11.39 | art3mis | and wow is unlike other forums in almost all respects |
| 10:11.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | most MMOs don't strive for excellence |
| 10:12.17 | art3mis | i view the forums as unnessessary |
| 10:12.18 | Codayus | But the current system has a decent error rate AND suffers from too few resources. Volunteers might have a higher error rate, but anything that cuts the S/N ratio down at this point would be nice. |
| 10:12.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it'd be a very negative change |
| 10:12.37 | Codayus | I never EVER EVER visit the official forums unless I'm following a link. :-/ |
| 10:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | they just shouldn't be so lenient |
| 10:13.01 | art3mis | aside from posting release news or bugfixes and the like users shouldnt be allowed to post until they reach level 70 on all account created characters, and pay 5$ a month ;P |
| 10:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should really bring the banhammer down |
| 10:13.10 | Codayus | And frankly, I think the current forums in their current state are useless. They can't get worse, so it's time for drastic measures. :-D |
| 10:13.18 | art3mis | imagine if you could only post with a level 70 |
| 10:13.37 | sag_ich_nicht | geezs |
| 10:13.41 | sag_ich_nicht | the forums would be easily fixed |
| 10:13.42 | art3mis | that would adda happy little spray of Troll-B-Gone(tm) |
| 10:13.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really :/ |
| 10:13.53 | Codayus | Mr_Rabies2: The problem with that is they have so few CMs that any banning woul tend to be horribly arbitrary and random... Although there are worse things of course. |
| 10:13.54 | sag_ich_nicht | give each account a unique number as identifier |
| 10:13.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and make an account profile |
| 10:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | people troll just as much on 70s |
| 10:14.04 | art3mis | not really |
| 10:14.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | Codayus, they have plenty of moderators |
| 10:14.11 | sag_ich_nicht | and the trolls are dead in their socks. |
| 10:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | only a couple are in the limelight |
| 10:14.22 | art3mis | 70 trolls are more careful about it |
| 10:14.26 | sag_ich_nicht | because the community would just tear all the lvl 1 trolls etc. to pieces |
| 10:14.29 | art3mis | as it generally effects thier ingame |
| 10:14.44 | sag_ich_nicht | and the rest of the trolls that stay are high quality trolls anyway |
| 10:14.51 | sag_ich_nicht | and each forum has a few of those anyway |
| 10:14.52 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 10:14.55 | art3mis | <-- |
| 10:14.58 | art3mis | heh |
| 10:15.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure Coreiel and Timbal are just two "senior" moderators |
| 10:15.02 | art3mis | well not anymore |
| 10:15.06 | sag_ich_nicht | (see Stephanii from the US paladin forums... god i so want to kill that guy) |
| 10:15.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | with lots more working under them |
| 10:15.22 | art3mis | I sued to hold the Troll award on the silvermoon forums |
| 10:15.25 | art3mis | used |
| 10:15.40 | art3mis | since i transfered i havent posted a single thing since |
| 10:15.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i am the troll on alliance side of our server D: |
| 10:15.42 | Codayus | Thing is, the forums fail in multiple different ways. Not sure if you noticed how the recent windfury totem nerf was communicated... |
| 10:15.55 | art3mis | it loses a lot of the fun when you realize just how easy it is |
| 10:15.56 | Codayus | I admit, that was egregiously bad even for them though... |
| 10:16.11 | art3mis | ooo |
| 10:16.24 | art3mis | egregiously |
| 10:16.27 | zenzelezz | on a technical level I think they should've just gone with something like vBulletin or another existing package |
| 10:16.32 | art3mis | cod with the 50 point word ;P |
| 10:16.34 | Codayus | And yet not atypical. So sad... |
| 10:16.44 | Codayus | Heh, sorry. |
| 10:16.52 | art3mis | oh speaking of cod |
| 10:17.02 | art3mis | when you finish god of war 2 you get a fish suit |
| 10:17.07 | art3mis | so you can be the Cod of War |
| 10:17.10 | art3mis | it's awesome |
| 10:18.33 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 10:18.51 | Codayus | If the official forums were moderated more like the EJ forums, they'd be much nicer. |
| 10:18.58 | art3mis | ej? |
| 10:19.02 | Codayus | Evil Jerks |
| 10:19.26 | art3mis | all they need is 1 BOFH |
| 10:19.39 | Codayus | Probably the best WoW forums IMHO. Certainly the best if your into theorycrafting and raiding. |
| 10:19.49 | art3mis | who just goes around editting content from peoples posts and keeps a ban tally |
| 10:19.54 | Codayus | But they issue infraction points for poor grammar, lack of punctuation, trolling. |
| 10:19.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | the reason EJ's forums are moderated so well is because it was originally a somethingawful-based guild |
| 10:20.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | a side guild for goon squad basically |
| 10:20.03 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:19] <art3mis> all they need is 1 BOFH <--mememememememememememeememeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:20.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and somethingawful is very strongly moderated |
| 10:20.39 | art3mis | [Edited by BOFH August 18th] That's a paddling. |
| 10:20.40 | Codayus | Lack of periods, using "lol" as punctuation, trolling, contentless posts, substituting opinion for facts = infraction points, sometimes multiple. 10 infraction points = BAN. |
| 10:20.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ...not. there is no moderation. only a banhammer. |
| 10:20.45 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 10:21.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Codayus and it's elitist jerks, not evil jerks. |
| 10:21.25 | Codayus | I meant that. |
| 10:21.30 | sag_ich_nicht | banned. |
| 10:21.37 | Codayus | Sorry, I never have to spell the name out. :-) |
| 10:22.04 | Codayus | The annoying thing is, a guild made made the same mistake last week, and I laughed at him. I'm going to blame him for infecting me with his bizarre error. |
| 10:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just read the goon squad forums on SA |
| 10:23.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | EJ's too much of a pain to navigate |
| 10:23.35 | zenzelezz | I never liked SA |
| 10:24.06 | Codayus | Really? I quite like the EJ forum software. <shrug> |
| 10:24.14 | art3mis | oh yeah last night discovery held the first ever live HD broadcast from the ISS |
| 10:24.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 10:24.28 | art3mis | it was fairly standard and boring but still pretty cool |
| 10:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | space dust in HD |
| 10:24.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | dirtying up the video |
| 10:24.42 | art3mis | they were talking to one of the guys inside the craft |
| 10:25.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet it was like 300 up in there |
| 10:25.13 | art3mis | on a hand held |
| 10:25.13 | art3mis | and only a 3-5 second lag on questions |
| 10:25.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3-5 sec lag, |
| 10:25.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn |
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| 10:25.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | they could play tribes on that |
| 10:25.35 | art3mis | laugh |
| 10:25.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, if the master server wasn't going down :[ |
| 10:25.47 | art3mis | well considering how much HD uses to beam |
| 10:25.52 | art3mis | thier BW is godly ;P |
| 10:26.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ...you can heal a raid with a ping of 5s, if you use quartz. |
| 10:26.16 | Kaso | And thus the first brick of the great net neutrality wall has fallen ; "Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic" |
| 10:26.16 | art3mis | was pretty cool though to see it as a historic thing |
| 10:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | quartz? |
| 10:26.37 | art3mis | sag_ich_nicht: hahaha did you read that thing on edgeofnowhere.cc ? |
| 10:26.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't that just a castbar? |
| 10:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 10:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies it is AWESOME. |
| 10:27.07 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis what? |
| 10:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have it |
| 10:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | and |
| 10:27.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i know is that it's a cast bar |
| 10:27.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ |
| 10:27.20 | art3mis | someone posted a "tip" to incread yer dps by using quarts to spam efficiently ;P |
| 10:27.27 | art3mis | increase |
| 10:27.33 | art3mis | quartz |
| 10:27.34 | Maldivia | hmm... guess fall is beta season for a lot of game developers... |
| 10:27.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't need a tip to know how to use the damn latency indicator in quartz |
| 10:27.48 | sag_ich_nicht | turn on the latency indicator Mr_Rabies |
| 10:27.54 | art3mis | edgeofnowhere is a wow exploit site ;P |
| 10:27.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's ugly |
| 10:27.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:28.03 | art3mis | thats why its particularly funny |
| 10:28.15 | sag_ich_nicht | oh really? |
| 10:28.19 | zenzelezz | after some of our casters started using Quartz, they started talking about /stopcasting a lot |
| 10:28.21 | sag_ich_nicht | you bad person |
| 10:28.24 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.24 | sag_ich_nicht | why you link that |
| 10:28.39 | Codayus | Unless you had very constant latency. :-) |
| 10:28.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Codayus if you have 5 seconds lag, it doesn't matter anymore. |
| 10:28.42 | art3mis | http://edgeofnowhere.cc/viewtopic.php?t=365412&sid=611c3ec120c532b9163440b4a38a91a2 |
| 10:29.10 | Codayus | Well, yeah, but you can get very good increases to DPS with "noraml" amounts of lag. But yeah, at 5 seconds...you're screwed anyhow. :-) |
| 10:29.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, you can use the stopcasting thing without quartz |
| 10:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | just quartz helps you detect the latency |
| 10:29.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's usually like 50-100 anyway so it'd be such a minor difference |
| 10:29.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, my reaction time is longer than that |
| 10:31.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | current latency is 28 ms |
| 10:31.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:] |
| 10:33.08 | art3mis | heh |
| 10:33.14 | art3mis | mine hovers between 50-150 |
| 10:33.34 | art3mis | depending on time of day and whether my wife is on battle.net playing diablo 2 |
| 10:33.43 | zenzelezz | I'm usually at 150-225 |
| 10:33.59 | zenzelezz | during raids at least |
| 10:34.31 | sag_ich_nicht | SON OF A BITCH |
| 10:34.41 | sag_ich_nicht | IT'S GOOGLE DESKTOP SEARCH. I TOLD IT NOT TO TOUCH THAT FOLDER. |
| 10:34.55 | zenzelezz | my poor virtual ears |
| 10:35.06 | sag_ich_nicht | you blame google for that |
| 10:35.08 | sag_ich_nicht | not me |
| 10:35.46 | Kaso | did you google search bring up stuff from your porn folder? |
| 10:36.06 | art3mis | why would you ahve google desktop search anyways |
| 10:36.27 | art3mis | i have no problem with them indexing the web, but i'd rather them not be that entrenched in my desktop |
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| 10:42.06 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZo4bOZf3B4 |
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| 10:44.20 | Kaso | It was good |
| 10:44.21 | Kaso | until the "music" started |
| 10:45.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: it's locking files. -_- |
| 10:45.47 | Kaso | ah, that does suck |
| 10:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | writing hatemail to google about this atm |
| 10:49.30 | art3mis | awesome!!!!!!! |
| 10:49.44 | art3mis | American McGee is putting out a new game! |
| 10:49.58 | art3mis | called Grimm |
| 10:51.49 | sag_ich_nicht | gah, i'll just call these sons of a bitch up in mountain view. |
| 10:51.58 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise it will take even longer till they fix it |
| 10:52.21 | sag_ich_nicht | VoIP, go! |
| 10:57.50 | art3mis | oo and they made a movie based on Alice |
| 10:58.03 | art3mis | next eyar is gonna be a good year |
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| 11:00.10 | art3mis | meh last smoke then bedtime |
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| 11:02.55 | art3mis | http://jobsearch.monster.ca/getjob.asp?JobID=61092853&aid=20474574-1887&WT.mc_n=MKT000125 hah look at the wage they wanna pay for ccna or mcse certified |
| 11:05.44 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 11:06.07 | sag_ich_nicht | conclusion: googles hotline is made of fail, spread the word. :O |
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| 11:10.59 | Kaso | Why did you even think ringing google was going to lead to anything but failure? |
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| 11:16.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: i was being fair |
| 11:16.54 | sag_ich_nicht | you know |
| 11:16.56 | sag_ich_nicht | giving them a chance |
| 11:17.16 | sag_ich_nicht | now i am using them against themself to find the number of someone responsible for the GDS project :P |
| 11:17.45 | Kaso | why dont you just send in a bugreport like anyone else would? |
| 11:18.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i already did. 1 year ago. |
| 11:18.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i figured they would have fixed it by now, that's why i investigated with process monitor to find what's causing it because i didn't even think it would possibly be GDS again |
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| 11:43.19 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: with the kindly prompting of wereHamster in #winehq, we *might* be getting to the bottom of the audio issues in WoW Wine 2.2. I emphasize *might* though. |
| 11:43.43 | wereHamster | oh.. Bleeter you here, too :) |
| 11:44.16 | wereHamster | a question for WoW gurus.. can WoW be configured to use winmm instead of dsound? |
| 11:44.20 | Bleeter | wereHamster: yeah mate :) ... Kaydeethree's a WoWWiner as well, same distro (Fedora 7) so have been trying to keep him up to speed on any progress (or lack thereof) that've been having |
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| 11:45.11 | Bleeter | wereHamster: I wonder if that is that the OutputSoundSystem config setting in the Config.wtf, I've seen the setting mentioned, but don't recall a definition for it. |
| 11:45.26 | wereHamster | I know there's SoundOutputSystem, but not sure if it's still possible to configure WoW to use winmm since the whole sound subsystems was rewritten for 2.2 |
| 11:45.26 | Bleeter | wereHamster: having said that, there may only be one value for that setting... /shrug |
| 11:46.25 | Bleeter | *had been given free tickets, etc. |
| 11:47.31 | wereHamster | I was actually having holidays at that time.. |
| 11:48.32 | wereHamster | though I don't know whether they wouldn't throw me out since they know that I've violated the ToS :P |
| 11:49.16 | Bleeter | meh, I'd have just made you my proxy to ask the difficult questions about fmod in a way that doesn't suggest it's a Wine Support issue ;) |
| 11:52.18 | wereHamster | there's nothing to ask.. |
| 11:59.56 | Bleeter | 'did you get the fmod change in that I mentioned in a mail a month ago?' :P |
| 12:00.46 | sag_ich_nicht | LFM Level 70 legendary forum troll US forums for Blizzard EU policy change request see this thread for reasons and details: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=469367811&sid=1&pageNo=1 TL;DR version scamming is against ToS in US WoW and not agains the ToS in EU WoW, posting about it on the EU forums would seem logical but does nothing, parent company(US) hitting them on the head otoh might do something. |
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| 12:01.39 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: um, what? |
| 12:02.04 | Bleeter | you want me to tell US Blizz that EU Blizz have a different ToS that's dumb? |
| 12:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that sentence is unreadable |
| 12:02.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Bleeter: correct. |
| 12:02.17 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: mine, or sag_ich_nicht's? |
| 12:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | sag |
| 12:02.57 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: if you /msg me the details, and worded better than your above post, citing the sections of the ToS/EULA that you're concerned about, and would like clarification on, I'm more than happy to post |
| 12:03.05 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 12:03.08 | sag_ich_nicht | too tired for that right now |
| 12:03.09 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 12:03.22 | Bleeter | I mean, if I'm a trans-continental worker, it'd be nice to know the differences beyond the obvious. |
| 12:03.31 | sag_ich_nicht | will do after sleep |
| 12:03.32 | Bleeter | s/worker/player/ |
| 12:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt posting on the us forums would do any better |
| 12:04.02 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, sure... any time. This irssi(1) lives in screen(1), only vanishes when the intarwebz is bust |
| 12:04.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it gets replied to at all it'll be "why didn't you post this on the EU forums?" |
| 12:04.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2: it worked before ~_~ |
| 12:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | for what? |
| 12:04.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2: i have a stealth tactic for this already ~_~ |
| 12:04.43 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: indeed, but I'm more than happy to try to assist Europeans get answers to questions that only US folks seem to answer (eg, no EU bug report forum) |
| 12:05.19 | Bleeter | dunno what the US response to that one actually was, but I still filed it on behalf of the Europeans |
| 12:05.29 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 12:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | bug reports are different though |
| 12:05.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | because blizzard US controls the code |
| 12:05.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 blizz US is the parent company |
| 12:05.46 | Lysistrata | EU isn't important enough to be granted the right to give bug reports. |
| 12:05.53 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 12:05.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't control blizz EU's ToS |
| 12:05.57 | Bleeter | d/to be.../ |
| 12:06.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 they do, since in this case this is about a game mechanics relevant part of the ToS |
| 12:06.28 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: ah, I was just about to say... |
| 12:06.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd say that's controlled by the EU distributors |
| 12:06.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not Blizz US |
| 12:06.53 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: say, or guess? |
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| 12:07.06 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: nm, I'll chat tomorrow about it, or leave a /msg |
| 12:07.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it was contolled by blizz US, it'd be the same, no? |
| 12:07.32 | Lysistrata | Why should the distributers control the ToS if Blizz runs the whole thing. |
| 12:07.48 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: translations maybe, ie the EU gets sent a sheet to translate. enGB just gets that sheet, other languages translate it. If that sheet was missing a section... ;) |
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| 12:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a possibility |
| 12:08.05 | sag_ich_nicht | there are no "EU distributors", blizzard europe is a 100% daughter of blizzard US |
| 12:08.21 | Bleeter | which is Vivendi which is French, yeah? |
| 12:08.29 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 12:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone run a diff on the two |
| 12:08.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | Vivendi is french, yes |
| 12:08.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they own Blizzard |
| 12:08.44 | sag_ich_nicht | vivendi owns blizzard US, and blizzard US owns blizzard EU |
| 12:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 12:10.22 | Bleeter | wereHamster: I've spent too much time debating international law in here, and chasing a wine 0.9.43 to test the PTR against today, I've barely played. Let's keep in contact, see how we go ;) |
| 12:10.31 | sag_ich_nicht | if you want to kill someone, stab him in the heart, don't stab him in the feet. |
| 12:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | and in this case, the feet are blizz EU. |
| 12:11.24 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. Bleeter, after that post you made about the bug report forum |
| 12:11.38 | sag_ich_nicht | like 2 weeks later they edited a sticky in the EU PTR forums |
| 12:11.52 | sag_ich_nicht | stating that we should "feel free to report bugs in live in the PTR forum as well" |
| 12:11.58 | sag_ich_nicht | (the sticky is gone now, tho) |
| 12:13.01 | Bleeter | heh, too many nubz with premades crying about starting in Ghostlands spamming the EU PTR forum, or orc shoulders, I bet. Decided it was a silly idea ;) |
| 12:13.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ghostslands ARE a retarded starting location. |
| 12:13.27 | sag_ich_nicht | srsly wtf. |
| 12:13.35 | sag_ich_nicht | still can't install the PTR client btw. :( |
| 12:13.54 | Bleeter | I swear next time I'm on PTR seeing someone ask 'how do you socket' I'm gunna reach down /trade and strangle the turd |
| 12:14.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ...people really ask that? |
| 12:14.19 | sag_ich_nicht | god. |
| 12:14.28 | Lysistrata | Hmmmm "how do you socket" is still better than all this "gieve money plz" on the lives. |
| 12:14.31 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: would've been OK if Zul'Aman was in 2.2 |
| 12:14.42 | Bleeter | Lysistrata: with 5kg on a premade, they don't need to |
| 12:14.53 | sag_ich_nicht | nearly as bad as the lvl 70s that run around in kara and heroic epics |
| 12:15.03 | sag_ich_nicht | and don't have a single god damn gem in them |
| 12:15.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ON LIVE |
| 12:15.33 | sag_ich_nicht | like, not even green ones! |
| 12:15.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm not talking about blue or even epic ones |
| 12:15.52 | Bleeter | I ended up BG leader in AV last night, someone abusing me for having Marshall's Painsaw with the +25 agi, he had sonic spear with +35... I was 'meh, whatever, they both suck' |
| 12:15.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no, NULL, NONE, NADA |
| 12:16.11 | Lysistrata | I've never been to Kara ... last Instance I visited and quested in was Zul'Farrak the last instance i've seen from the inside was lbrs for like 5 minutes ... after that the group was gone. |
| 12:16.21 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 12:16.32 | sag_ich_nicht | kara is fun..... especially if you uh |
| 12:16.43 | Lysistrata | if you uh? |
| 12:16.48 | sag_ich_nicht | creativly use the area around nightbane. |
| 12:17.01 | sag_ich_nicht | _very_ creativly. |
| 12:17.08 | Bleeter | s/creatively use/exploit/ |
| 12:17.14 | Bleeter | damn, purl don't work that way! :P |
| 12:17.18 | Lysistrata | I'll see about that IF i ever get in there... |
| 12:17.21 | sag_ich_nicht | because i typod. |
| 12:18.08 | sag_ich_nicht | it's fun to go attu-->moroes-->maiden-->theater-->prince. |
| 12:18.11 | sag_ich_nicht | but sssh |
| 12:18.13 | sag_ich_nicht | >:O |
| 12:18.23 | Lysistrata | currently I'm 6 levels ahead of everyone else in my guild ... the rp on my realm is dead and yeha ... somehow my realm sucks xD |
| 12:18.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> and don't have a single god damn gem in them |
| 12:18.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> ON LIVE |
| 12:18.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do usually for a whil |
| 12:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | while |
| 12:18.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm cheap as hell |
| 12:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies. |
| 12:18.46 | sag_ich_nicht | green gems |
| 12:18.48 | sag_ich_nicht | are like |
| 12:18.49 | sag_ich_nicht | 2g. |
| 12:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i'll get vendor gems if i want to activate a socket |
| 12:19.15 | sag_ich_nicht | vendor gems? the god damn fucking player made one uncommon quality ones only cost like 2g in the auction house |
| 12:19.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only green gem worth getting is the +6 Str one for us, really |
| 12:19.39 | sag_ich_nicht | +3crit +3str mkay |
| 12:20.08 | sag_ich_nicht | and if the socket is blue, well okay, +3crit +4 stamina :O |
| 12:20.30 | Lysistrata | I don#t even have socked Items xD |
| 12:20.42 | sag_ich_nicht | and the rare gems are also only 50g |
| 12:20.53 | sag_ich_nicht | that's like, 15 minutes of farming, not even |
| 12:21.25 | Bleeter | then there's the free gems from The Consortium |
| 12:21.33 | sag_ich_nicht | also that. |
| 12:21.51 | Bleeter | admittedly, it's barely obvious that they're available. It'd be nice if The Consortium sent me a mail saying 'hey, duuuude, we love ya, come get some stuff' |
| 12:22.14 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 12:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | BED TIME |
| 12:22.20 | Bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: gnight, rest well |
| 12:22.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm awake since like forever |
| 12:22.30 | sag_ich_nicht | and will wakeup with a terrible hangover |
| 12:22.33 | sag_ich_nicht | nn |
| 12:23.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> +3crit +3str mkay |
| 12:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew |
| 12:23.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | +6 Str is better by far :[ |
| 12:23.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | +3crit is pretty useless for us, AGI's much better, but we've already had that debate |
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| 12:28.01 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: who is 'us' (what class)? |
| 12:28.56 | JoshBorke | i'm guessing druids |
| 12:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar'= |
| 12:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar* |
| 12:29.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25 AGI = 1% crit and 25 AP for us |
| 12:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas 24 Crit Rating = 1% crit and nothing else |
| 12:30.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25 agi is 1 more item point than 24 crit rating and a LOT more dps |
| 12:30.23 | Bleeter | ooh, good. I've been meaning to pick Mr_Rabies2's brains for a 'Rabies guide to Feral'... any tips to give an up and coming druid? Only lvl 35 atm, but looking to make her my next fully levelled toon. |
| 12:31.16 | Bleeter | more any of the stupid things to not do, eg talents on the feral tree to avoid. |
| 12:31.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | get furor and omen of clarity until level 50, then respec for mangle at 50 |
| 12:31.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see |
| 12:31.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna see what i can do for a good level 49 build for ya |
| 12:32.15 | Bleeter | gee, thx... don't feel compelled to, but yannow, any tips from an old hand are appreciated ;) |
| 12:32.35 | JoshBorke | ~botmail |
| 12:33.44 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: already got the furor, wasn't going to go deeper into the resto tree. |
| 12:34.47 | Bleeter | but I guess you'll suggest 5 in Naturalist to get to Omen |
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| 12:52.45 | Bleeter | god I either suck at wow, or am tired... just spent half an hour looking for alliance to gank in hillsbrad |
| 12:53.05 | Bleeter | only now realised.. I'm on my PvE realm... playing alliance :/ |
| 12:53.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:53.40 | cladhaire | i believe.. owned. |
| 12:53.53 | Bleeter | yeah, only one owned in half an hour was me >< |
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| 13:13.26 | Industrial | Bleeter: r o f l |
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| 13:20.09 | Lysistrata | Now you know why it's so depressing to be alliance Bleeter ;) |
| 13:20.23 | Bleeter | 'coz it's full of tired morons? |
| 13:20.31 | Bleeter | or folks who suck @ wow? |
| 13:20.37 | Bleeter | or both.. no don't answer |
| 13:21.38 | Lysistrata | I won't answer I just yell at you because it sucks to be ganked by the horde which always looks for players which are at least 5 levels beneth them. |
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| 13:23.59 | wereHamster | nice.. 'FMOD OpenAL Output', now only find out hot to activate it |
| 13:26.40 | nevcairiel | is that only in 2.2 or before as well? |
| 13:27.17 | wereHamster | this is 2.2 |
| 13:27.21 | Bleeter | Lysistrata: if anything, I woudl've been lower than any alliance players who'd be in the zone |
| 13:27.28 | wereHamster | don't know abouer earliert versions |
| 13:28.18 | wereHamster | btw, there's also WinMM, WASAPI and ASIO available |
| 13:28.56 | zenzelezz | I remember my first time in Hillsbrad on my first char, an orc... "Conflicted Territory, oops..." Some paladin on a mount came riding, dismounted, took me to 20% and let me run away |
| 13:29.52 | zenzelezz | or is it contested... haven't played on PvP realm for ages |
| 13:31.25 | nevcairiel | i suppose you can switch it with SET SoundOutputSystem "2" |
| 13:31.30 | nevcairiel | not sure which value is what tho. |
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| 13:42.18 | wereHamster | it seems as wine got new Config.wtf options: Sound_OutputDriverName, Sound_UseHardware',0 ; DATA XREF: .text:00454FEFo |
| 13:42.22 | wereHamster | .rdata:0083EBC4 |
| 13:42.29 | wereHamster | Sound_EnableSoundWhenGameIsInBG',0 |
| 13:42.30 | wereHamster | .rdata:0083EB4C ; DATA XREF |
| 13:42.58 | wereHamster | err.. sorry for the spam :-/ |
| 13:44.28 | wereHamster | s/wine/WoW/ |
| 13:44.58 | zenzelezz | what's the new ones? |
| 13:45.45 | zenzelezz | or rather, I thought at least Use Hardware and Sound in Background were "old" |
| 13:46.40 | wereHamster | no reference to string 'Sound_UseHardware' in (retail-)WoW.exe |
| 13:46.53 | wereHamster | though there's SoundUseHardware |
| 13:47.00 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 13:47.15 | zenzelezz | I only know what the game calls them in the settings window ;) |
| 13:47.34 | wereHamster | it won't let you select the sound output driver there :( |
| 13:48.02 | Bleeter | it does on PTR. |
| 13:48.15 | Bleeter | well, not the driver.. my bad. |
| 13:48.19 | Bleeter | I'm just too tired. |
| 13:48.24 | wereHamster | does it let you select OpenAL for example? |
| 13:48.33 | Bleeter | nah, only the destination device |
| 13:48.57 | Bleeter | eg, ICE1712, Intel8x0, USB Headset |
| 13:56.46 | Bleeter | nn all |
| 13:58.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | ack, i'm sorry bleeter |
| 13:58.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | got distracted upon making your talent thing, i'll get it for ya before you wake up :p |
| 14:02.07 | Lunessa | oops, there goes gravity. |
| 14:03.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't that from an eminem song |
| 14:11.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, i linked these to bleeter in PM, what do the rest of you druids think? |
| 14:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd go for something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=zZxGMsfrohZVx0z for level 49 |
| 14:12.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=zZxGMsfrotzio for 50 |
| 14:12.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MZxGMsfrotzioVx0z for 61 |
| 14:12.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGMsfroeuioVxhz |
| 14:13.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | natural shapeshifter and nature's grasp are completely negotiable, i just like having them, but i'm thinking about dropping them for something else |
| 14:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | but what? :[ |
| 14:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe intensity |
| 14:15.15 | Lunessa | in the level 70 build, I'd drop nature's grasp. |
| 14:15.57 | Lunessa | And I am inclined to think ALL druids should max out Improved mark of the wild |
| 14:23.53 | cogwheel | wtf? |
| 14:24.12 | cogwheel | they're playing Chucky in the breakfast area at the hotel... |
| 14:24.39 | cogwheel | A bunch of kids just saw titties |
| 14:25.25 | Lunessa | Bride of Chucky, Great-Godamned-Grandchildren of Chucky, Chucky's Underwear Kills Everyone. .... I hate those movies. |
| 14:26.14 | cogwheel | Not that I have anything against kids seeing titties (I will never understand parents who will take their kids to movies rated R for violence and gore but then bitch out the theater management if there's a sex scene) but still... |
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| 14:27.35 | Lunessa | haha. Reminds me of taking my little sister to see Predator 2. I thought it was just going to be gore, and then the bedroom scene starts playing. |
| 14:28.32 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 14:29.00 | cogwheel | ungh... can't eat another bite |
| 14:29.01 | zenzelezz | you know, that makes me wonder if there is such a film as Sexual Predator |
| 14:29.07 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: haha |
| 14:29.09 | Lunessa | Good gnome. Be snarky. Post more. |
| 14:29.32 | cogwheel | I'm writing a TLDR post (with cliff's notes) for my guild forum atm :P |
| 14:29.50 | Lunessa | I'm sorry cogwheel your comment was TLDR. |
| 14:29.59 | cogwheel | me write long post guild forum |
| 14:30.14 | Lunessa | o i c wut u did thur |
| 14:30.36 | Lunessa | (( Running on an hour's sleep. Too many beers last night. )) |
| 14:31.01 | cogwheel | Yeah... i've got about 5 hrs of sleep under my belt... probably would've been less if the hotel didn't have a bar :P |
| 14:31.29 | cogwheel | Healthy shot of tequila & a b52 let me sleep in my room with no AC |
| 14:31.32 | zenzelezz | 5 hours is less than normal? |
| 14:31.41 | zenzelezz | I can't sleep long even if I try |
| 14:31.42 | cogwheel | actually, yes... i usually get around 8 |
| 14:31.55 | cogwheel | and on weekends I've been known to binge sleep for 12 hours |
| 14:32.03 | Lunessa | Hey cogwheel if you like b52s, you have to try a b53. |
| 14:32.11 | cogwheel | I blame my (mostly) caffeine-free lifestyle |
| 14:32.45 | cogwheel | Lunessa: I'd actually never had one before... I got my shot of tequila (<3 patron silver) and asked the bartender for something that would put me to sleep |
| 14:33.18 | cogwheel | I wanted a mojito but they didn't have mint |
| 14:33.19 | Lunessa | Haha. cogwheel gains +5 Lunessa rep ( <3 patron ) |
| 14:33.24 | cogwheel | :) |
| 14:33.55 | cogwheel | So smooth... I can drink it like water but usually i'm a sipper |
| 14:34.57 | Lunessa | I shoot tequila. But I'll sip vodka. |
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| 14:35.10 | zenzelezz | I never drank much... and didn't touch it after I got somewhat drunk once in my last year of school. Got quite a few "did you have fun on Friday? *grin*"s the following Monday :-| |
| 14:35.19 | cogwheel | i only like vodka for mixers |
| 14:35.42 | cogwheel | and only stoli or better... anything cheaper tastes like rubbing alcohol to me |
| 14:35.42 | zenzelezz | bit embarrassing to go back to the bar to pick up my jacket and bank card |
| 14:36.01 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I used to drink just 4 times a year (Bday and three holidays) but now, I drink when I go out. |
| 14:36.24 | zenzelezz | yeah, I don't go out much either :-p |
| 14:36.29 | zenzelezz | probably a connection |
| 14:36.45 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Belvidere, Absolute (premiums), Skyy, Grey Goose, or Vox. |
| 14:36.50 | cogwheel | Generally I'm a beer in the evening kinda guy. Usually have a bit more fun on the weekends. We actually keep a decent stock of liquor in the house |
| 14:37.15 | Lunessa | Yeah, and your wwife makes awesome burgers. /envy |
| 14:37.31 | cogwheel | Lunessa: I'd probably sip those, but I've never had the inclination. |
| 14:37.55 | cogwheel | Maybe I'll have to try some now that I'm on someone else's tab ;) |
| 14:38.05 | Lunessa | For a while, I was a bartender and a club DJ. I learned a LOT about booze. |
| 14:38.12 | cogwheel | heh |
| 14:38.16 | Lunessa | Go for the goose. |
| 14:38.27 | Lunessa | It's like water with a kick. |
| 14:38.43 | cogwheel | my wife fell in love with a drink we had when we went to disneyland for our anniversary last year |
| 14:39.12 | cogwheel | They called it Purple Haze: Blue Curacao, Absolute Raspberry, Sweet & Sour, and Cranberry Juice |
| 14:39.17 | Industrial | heh |
| 14:39.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's a standard. |
| 14:39.50 | cogwheel | We've never seen it anywhere else |
| 14:39.58 | cogwheel | but it's full of yum |
| 14:40.00 | Lunessa | I tend to favor simple drinks or shots. And shots mostly because you can use them to meet girls. |
| 14:40.13 | cogwheel | well, i don't have that problem at the moment ;) |
| 14:40.26 | Lunessa | Yeah, did you not see the /envy? |
| 14:40.31 | cogwheel | :P |
| 14:41.43 | Lunessa | Ugh... why the hell do we have orientation on a damned saturday? |
| 14:42.34 | Punkie` | cogwheel: re your question yesterday |
| 14:42.41 | Punkie` | tainting RAD_CLASS_COLORS |
| 14:42.51 | Punkie` | can taint the raidframe iirc |
| 14:43.14 | cogwheel | thanks :) |
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| 15:09.12 | Lunessa | I swear, realm forums are proof of John Gabriel's "Greater Internet Dickwad" theory. |
| 15:10.13 | zenzelezz | every day I pray that the EU-Silvermoon forum will be free of drama |
| 15:10.26 | zenzelezz | so far it doesn't work |
| 15:11.22 | Lunessa | Every day I pray for larger weaponry and an unlimited budget. |
| 15:12.00 | zenzelezz | not long ago one of the "main" CMs on EU forums had to step in on the Silvermoon forum, closing one of the threads with the ending comment "And blaming the guidelines, moderation or lack of your own ability to have fun within the guidelines on a single moderator is just silly. Sheesh." |
| 15:12.53 | Industrial | bored kids? |
| 15:13.09 | zenzelezz | afraid not, half of them at least are adults |
| 15:13.16 | zenzelezz | my server is just old and littered with asshats |
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| 15:20.18 | Industrial | im playing with a frame position thingy like visor :P |
| 15:21.25 | Adys | is there an addon (or doable in a macro) to get haste rating -> %speed conversion? |
| 15:21.38 | Lunessa | The server I play on has a core of people who just want to tell you how bad everything is and troll the forums specifically looking for drama. |
| 15:21.55 | Lunessa | Adys: Ratings Buster on wowace. |
| 15:22.14 | Adys | ill look it up thanks Lunessa |
| 15:23.07 | Industrial | Lunessa: retort with yourmom jokes |
| 15:23.56 | Lunessa | haha, no. Mostly I just read and shake my head. Don't poke hornet's nests if you prefer not to get stung. |
| 15:27.47 | Shirik | I give up for a while |
| 15:27.54 | Shirik | what's everyone up to |
| 15:28.59 | Shirik | everyone left :( |
| 15:30.12 | Industrial | Shirik: -_^? |
| 15:31.53 | Lunessa | I'm still here, still hungover. |
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| 15:38.13 | Jumpee | So instead of using "if arg == something" after an event I should now use "if select(1, ...) == something"? |
| 15:38.32 | Shirik | um |
| 15:38.39 | Shirik | no and no |
| 15:38.50 | Jumpee | ugh |
| 15:39.16 | Shirik | function myEventHandler(evt, arg1, arg2, arg3) --[[access arg1/whatever here]] end |
| 15:39.31 | Shirik | you should rarely have a reason to use ... in an event handler |
| 15:39.46 | Shirik | unless you're being lazy and want your program to suffer because of it |
| 15:40.05 | Jumpee | I thought someone said that arg was deprecated |
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| 15:40.22 | haste | the global arg1-9 is deprecated |
| 15:40.24 | cog|badwifi | Jumpee: Shirik is missing something in what he's telling you |
| 15:40.39 | Shirik | I never said use the global args |
| 15:40.42 | cog|badwifi | I think he's assuming you're using an event dispatcher |
| 15:40.47 | Shirik | in fact I quite specifically said use the locals |
| 15:40.58 | Shirik | ok, how are you getting there |
| 15:42.08 | Jumpee | if event == "UNIT_AURA" then if select(1,...) == "player" etc |
| 15:42.39 | Shirik | no |
| 15:43.21 | Jumpee | Fine, then I will still use arg1 |
| 15:43.23 | cog|badwifi | not "no", but there is a simpler-to-follow way |
| 15:43.25 | Shirik | christ mirc really hates wow |
| 15:43.52 | Shirik | well, no, because using a vararg and select is slow |
| 15:43.57 | Shirik | when there's no real good reason to |
| 15:44.05 | cog|badwifi | Jumpee: instead of operating on the event in the handler itself, you can call another function and pass it ... |
| 15:44.08 | cog|badwifi | that way you can give the args reasonable names which makes your code cleaner |
| 15:45.39 | Shirik | Jumpee: Let me see the entire function that's in |
| 15:45.50 | Shirik | why does mirc always consistently lock up when I'm in wow :( |
| 15:46.02 | Jumpee | I was just making it up to get a handle on the use of select. |
| 15:46.26 | Jumpee | I don't have a function I am working on right now |
| 15:46.26 | Shirik | well in such a case, what would your function header be? |
| 15:46.38 | Shirik | function evtHandler(evt, ...) ? |
| 15:46.43 | Jumpee | no |
| 15:47.06 | Jumpee | function MyAddon_OnEvent() |
| 15:47.19 | Shirik | ok well |
| 15:47.30 | Shirik | then you're using a global evt, which is deprecated, and ... doesn't exist |
| 15:47.53 | Jumpee | Then a lot of my addons don't exist. LOL |
| 15:49.01 | cladhaire | you're neglectin the fact entirely |
| 15:49.03 | zenzelezz | "..." only exists in specific circumstances |
| 15:49.04 | cladhaire | that you dont need to name the arg |
| 15:49.06 | cladhaire | or use select |
| 15:49.12 | cladhaire | local unit = ... |
| 15:49.13 | cladhaire | is valud. |
| 15:49.15 | cladhaire | valid |
| 15:51.07 | Cide | ... == select(1, ...) |
| 15:51.32 | Shirik | yeah that's another good point |
| 15:51.37 | Shirik | select(1,...) is meaningless |
| 15:52.49 | Shirik | Jumpee: I'm not trying to be rude if I sound it, I just woke up |
| 15:52.56 | Shirik | but you do need to name the arguments in your function |
| 15:53.25 | Jumpee | I am not thinking you are rude at all. |
| 15:54.13 | Cide | you technically don't need to add parameters since the global args are still being set, afaik |
| 15:54.21 | Shirik | this is true |
| 15:54.36 | Shirik | but please do >.> |
| 15:54.44 | Jumpee | I am not writing a function. I happened to see someone say arg1 is deprecated and we should be usig select. So I was just asking about the use of select. |
| 15:55.07 | Shirik | well, the first part of that is right |
| 15:55.11 | Shirik | global arg1 is deprecated |
| 15:55.16 | Jumpee | All my mods I have written all work so far |
| 15:55.16 | Shirik | select is usually, however, not the solution |
| 15:55.27 | Shirik | you're probably using the globals :) |
| 15:56.29 | Cide | or, you're confusing "arg1" with "arg" |
| 15:57.11 | Cide | pre lua-5.1, function(...) created an implied local variable called arg, which was a table of all captured arguments passed into ... |
| 15:57.32 | Shirik | thought that was args |
| 15:57.35 | Cide | so (function(...) return ...; end)(1, 2, 3) would return { 1, 2, 3 } |
| 15:57.38 | Cide | err |
| 15:57.39 | Cide | sorry |
| 15:57.43 | Cide | so (function(...) return arg; end)(1, 2, 3) would return { 1, 2, 3 } |
| 15:57.49 | Cide | Shirik: no, it was called "arg" |
| 15:57.55 | Shirik | never used to so :P |
| 15:58.27 | Jumpee | Yes, I use arg1 with if event== "BLAH_BLAH then |
| 15:58.45 | Cide | Jumpee: don't do that - it's slow and soon gone |
| 15:58.49 | Shirik | right |
| 15:58.58 | Shirik | and it's a really really simple change |
| 15:59.02 | Shirik | all you have to do is change your handler from |
| 15:59.07 | Shirik | function myHandler() |
| 15:59.12 | Shirik | to function myHandler(event, arg1) |
| 15:59.17 | Shirik | you're done |
| 15:59.32 | Cide | function myHandler(self, event, arg1) actually :) |
| 15:59.35 | Shirik | er |
| 15:59.37 | Shirik | yeah that |
| 15:59.40 | cladhaire | what Cide said. |
| 15:59.49 | Shirik | sorry :( I wrote it correctly once and forgot about it |
| 15:59.54 | Shirik | conspiracy event handlers ftw :P |
| 16:00.06 | cladhaire | lies. |
| 16:00.20 | Cide | it's a conspi- err... |
| 16:00.59 | Cide | hmm, my frame generator is awfully slow |
| 16:01.26 | Shirik | hey what are the rules on abilities in arenas |
| 16:01.28 | Shirik | 5m? |
| 16:01.44 | Cide | 15m |
| 16:01.46 | Jumpee | I have seen that in some addons, I will have to look at them some more |
| 16:01.57 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 16:01.59 | Shirik | so I can use anything |
| 16:02.00 | Shirik | nice |
| 16:02.24 | Shirik | cladhaire: Not lies! |
| 16:02.34 | Shirik | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, evt, ...) |
| 16:02.36 | Shirik | so here. |
| 16:02.48 | cladhaire | so? |
| 16:02.55 | Shirik | not lies :P |
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| 16:02.58 | cladhaire | that doesn't show the dispatch |
| 16:02.58 | cladhaire | :P |
| 16:03.16 | zenzelezz | so Conspiracy will be an Ace clone? |
| 16:03.24 | Shirik | is that how Ace does it? And hell no |
| 16:03.36 | zenzelezz | I've never looked at Ace, I'm just messing with you |
| 16:03.41 | Shirik | >.> |
| 16:03.42 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:03.47 | cladhaire | its so easy |
| 16:03.50 | Shirik | p.s. Jumpee, don't let that ... confuse you |
| 16:03.53 | Cide | uhh |
| 16:03.57 | Jumpee | lol |
| 16:03.57 | Shirik | I did that because I cannot guarantee how many args are coming in |
| 16:04.08 | Shirik | and there's actually no select anywhere within the function |
| 16:04.25 | Cide | debugprofilestop works as debugprofilestart as well, right? |
| 16:04.41 | Shirik | should |
| 16:05.20 | Cide | my frame generator takes 0.93 sec for one frame :/ |
| 16:06.20 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 16:06.23 | cladhaire | that doesn't make sense =/ |
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| 16:06.47 | Cidan | pewpewpew? |
| 16:06.50 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 16:06.53 | Shirik | Cidan |
| 16:06.54 | Shirik | damn it |
| 16:06.54 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:06.55 | Cide | hi. |
| 16:06.55 | Cidan | :D |
| 16:07.05 | Cide | cladhaire: yeah, profiling now |
| 16:07.15 | Cidan | Okay so last night as I was trying to fall asleep, I got an idea for pop-ups |
| 16:07.29 | Shirik | make them stop sucking? :P |
| 16:07.40 | zenzelezz | sorry, pop-ups have already been invented |
| 16:07.44 | Cidan | instead of making them like RDX, I'm going to make them more like an OS-style popup, mouse over and the sub menu extends, but then you can move the mouse to another selection. |
| 16:08.18 | Cidan | this way you can backtrack through menu's |
| 16:08.24 | Cidan | also going to animate them, :P |
| 16:08.36 | Cidan | also, hi. |
| 16:08.45 | Cide | uh, interesting |
| 16:09.17 | Lunessa | AFK for about an hour. Got to go stand at orientation and answer tech questions. |
| 16:09.25 | Cidan | So, anything interesting going on? |
| 16:10.54 | Punkie` | excellent |
| 16:12.27 | Cide | ummmmm |
| 16:12.28 | Industrial | anyone know of a small font addon that changes all fonts? |
| 16:12.36 | Industrial | I wanna use avantgarde |
| 16:13.01 | Cide | so my game locks up for like .5 sec |
| 16:13.24 | Cide | huh |
| 16:13.29 | Cide | I guess it's just devtools doing that |
| 16:14.12 | Industrial | I disable devtools by default and load it when I need it |
| 16:14.22 | Industrial | its pretty big, I usually only use /dump |
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| 16:15.20 | Cide | that was when using /dump |
| 16:15.50 | Industrial | big table or something :)? |
| 16:16.15 | Cide | just a CreateFrame("Frame") frame |
| 16:18.23 | Lunessa | hah! I love how no one bothered to tell me they didn't need me to stand around and answer questions today after all. |
| 16:19.33 | zenzelezz | there's lots of stuff we don't tell you |
| 16:20.17 | Cide | this frame generator is going to be nice |
| 16:21.34 | cladhaire | new one? |
| 16:21.46 | Cide | yep |
| 16:22.15 | Cide | I'm recoding it to not be a pain in the ass |
| 16:22.15 | Cide | code-wise.. the other one works fine on the front end |
| 16:22.37 | Cide | and I'm changing the syntax a bit to be easier to use |
| 16:23.04 | cladhaire | nice |
| 16:24.53 | AnduinLothar | sag_ich_nicht: FluidFrames ignores unnamed frames with binding #1, try binding#2 |
| 16:25.29 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/72373 |
| 16:25.38 | Cide | can you guys think of a better way to implement that? |
| 16:25.56 | Cide | I'd like to cut down on the number of pattern matches if possible |
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| 16:58.40 | cladhaire | Cide: ping tem later, he might have some suggestions |
| 16:58.47 | Cide | cladhaire: will do, thanks |
| 16:58.57 | Cide | re: frame generation in general, or the function above? |
| 16:59.34 | cladhaire | frame generation, just looking at the function now. |
| 17:00.13 | Cide | ah |
| 17:02.08 | nevcairiel | Cide: can inside your ' ' in foo:'bar' be a whitespace? like foo:'bar 2' ? |
| 17:02.15 | Cide | nevcairiel: yes |
| 17:02.26 | nevcairiel | hmk |
| 17:10.09 | Shirik | I am... absolutely amazed by how well holy priests can do in arenas |
| 17:10.15 | Shirik | my gear is crap, zero resiliance too, and we're doing well |
| 17:10.27 | Shirik | granted the teams we're against aren't the best, but still |
| 17:10.56 | Punkie` | PoH is quite nice |
| 17:11.16 | Punkie` | and shield, i guess :) |
| 17:12.06 | Shirik | haven't used poh really |
| 17:12.09 | Shirik | too slow |
| 17:12.20 | Lunessa | PoM is the shizzle. |
| 17:12.28 | Shirik | totally |
| 17:12.32 | Shirik | now that I've been using all over the place |
| 17:12.41 | Shirik | especially when I want to flash heal, but it's a rogue so I'll get kicked |
| 17:12.42 | Shirik | pom myself |
| 17:12.58 | Lunessa | When I first read the description I was like "wtf?" Now, it rules. |
| 17:13.18 | Lunessa | PoM + SoD = controlled PoM |
| 17:13.49 | Shirik | sod? |
| 17:14.05 | Lunessa | Bah. I meant SW:D |
| 17:14.09 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:14.14 | Shirik | and yes, I use that trick too :P |
| 17:14.20 | Lunessa | 1 hr sleep + hangover makes me less than clear. |
| 17:15.06 | Shirik | p.s. hai Cairenn |
| 17:15.13 | Shirik | even though you came back from AFK like a year ago |
| 17:15.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:15.35 | Lunessa | Binding Heal though, I don't love so much. |
| 17:15.45 | Punkie` | Shirik: I meant PoM, sorry :P |
| 17:15.47 | Shirik | really? |
| 17:15.51 | Shirik | I love it too |
| 17:15.57 | Shirik | unfortunately usually because my tanks suck |
| 17:15.59 | Shirik | so I'm tanking too |
| 17:16.55 | Lunessa | It's almost as expensive as Prayer of Healing. Though it is a bigger heal, it's roughly the same mana/casting time as something that lets me heal everyone. |
| 17:17.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:17.09 | Shirik | it' fast |
| 17:17.19 | Shirik | 1.5s cast |
| 17:17.23 | Shirik | vs PoH 3s |
| 17:17.55 | Lunessa | See, my prejudice has blinded me to it's general use. |
| 17:18.11 | Lunessa | Mostly though, I don't use it much. |
| 17:18.53 | Shirik | I consider it a flash heal that hits both you and your target with low threat |
| 17:18.54 | Cide | Shirik: best trick against rogues and warriors |
| 17:18.59 | Cide | Shirik: start casting mind control |
| 17:19.03 | Shirik | mmm |
| 17:19.09 | Shirik | that's a good idea |
| 17:19.20 | Cide | they either get mind controlled for 12 seconds, leaving them useless |
| 17:19.29 | Cide | or they kick it, giving you some 5-6 seconds of free heals |
| 17:19.58 | zenzelezz | enlighten me about the free heals |
| 17:20.05 | Shirik | I might not have that kind of time though |
| 17:20.10 | Shirik | my health and res both suck |
| 17:20.21 | Cide | zenzelezz: free heals as in kick is on a cooldown |
| 17:20.30 | Cide | s/ a / / |
| 17:20.49 | zenzelezz | but you'll be silenced for half the duration? |
| 17:21.02 | Shirik | no |
| 17:21.02 | Shirik | only on shadow spells |
| 17:21.04 | Cide | exactly |
| 17:21.07 | zenzelezz | not if you fight me |
| 17:21.12 | Lunessa | Getting kicked or counter-spelled as a Holy/Disc priest REALLY blows Chunks the Dog. |
| 17:21.13 | Cide | besides |
| 17:21.18 | Cide | the silence is 2s |
| 17:21.27 | zenzelezz | 3 |
| 17:21.37 | Cide | 2 with 2/2 imp silence.. is there a set bonus? |
| 17:21.38 | cladhaire | anyone been banned for farming marks of honor hold between two accounts? |
| 17:21.46 | zenzelezz | I'm talking Imp Shield Bash |
| 17:22.01 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm is there a way I could run 2 copies of the Aceupdater so I could use one for my live and one for test clients? |
| 17:22.05 | Cide | I was talking imp kick |
| 17:22.29 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Huh? Like horde/alliance farming from one player, 2 accounts? |
| 17:22.29 | Cide | isn't shield bash on a 12s cooldown? |
| 17:22.31 | Garoun|Loupana | I tried running 2 from different spots and it just got confused :P |
| 17:22.42 | zenzelezz | yes, it is |
| 17:23.06 | Cide | so 3/12, that's still 9 sec of heals |
| 17:23.19 | Cide | 8 sec for kick (2s silence, 10s cd) |
| 17:23.20 | zenzelezz | if he has Imp Shield Bash he probably has Concussion Blow |
| 17:23.52 | Cide | if you face a warrior with concussion blow in pvp, you don't have to worry anyway |
| 17:23.59 | Cide | just wand him to death |
| 17:24.01 | zenzelezz | it's same tier as Imp Shield Bash |
| 17:24.04 | zenzelezz | so yeah |
| 17:24.08 | Cide | so both are a non-issue |
| 17:24.17 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 17:24.32 | zenzelezz | I hear there's more prot warriors in my realm's BGs now |
| 17:24.42 | zenzelezz | not many probably, but some |
| 17:24.53 | Cide | well, BGs are irrelevant to be honest :P |
| 17:25.21 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know, I didn't follow the discussion until someone mentioned warriors |
| 17:25.45 | Lunessa | It's all about the Arena teams now? |
| 17:26.11 | cladhaire | Cide: I ended up in a 2v2 with a warlock, we're doing pretty well righ tnow. |
| 17:26.19 | Cide | cladhaire: as shadow? |
| 17:26.48 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 17:26.50 | cladhaire | i'm stacking stamina |
| 17:26.55 | cladhaire | since i have no resilience. |
| 17:27.09 | cladhaire | i can pull 10.5k with his imp.. and still have 1k +shadow |
| 17:27.09 | Cide | enjoy your free kills :) |
| 17:27.17 | Cide | that's pretty good |
| 17:27.27 | Lunessa | ZOMG - Gem blue for +Sta! |
| 17:27.29 | Cide | you'll hit like 13k or so in full arena gear |
| 17:27.36 | cladhaire | that's what i'm hoping for |
| 17:27.44 | Cide | more, maybe |
| 17:27.44 | cladhaire | we're just using the 2v2 as training ground for arenas :P |
| 17:27.47 | cladhaire | err 5v5 |
| 17:27.50 | Cide | I'm 11.7k self buffed myself |
| 17:28.04 | cladhaire | nice |
| 17:28.18 | Cide | and that's with mostly season 1 gear so season 2 would be around 12k I'm guessing |
| 17:28.30 | AnduinLothar | i go in with 9.6k and no resil lol |
| 17:28.40 | Cide | paladins deserve to die |
| 17:28.58 | AnduinLothar | 1700+ ap and 300 spell dmg |
| 17:29.15 | cladhaire | paladins are still our easiest kill :P |
| 17:29.23 | AnduinLothar | and mr sparkle shark sword of doom |
| 17:29.35 | AnduinLothar | yeah priests are mean |
| 17:29.44 | AnduinLothar | i can take a shadow decently |
| 17:29.48 | AnduinLothar | holy owns me |
| 17:29.52 | cladhaire | .. |
| 17:29.55 | cladhaire | holy priests own you? |
| 17:29.57 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 17:30.00 | cladhaire | and you beat shadow priests? |
| 17:30.03 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 17:30.06 | cladhaire | what shadow priest? |
| 17:30.12 | cladhaire | silence > paladins |
| 17:30.20 | cladhaire | plus, we have spell lock :P |
| 17:30.20 | Cide | I can beat any mana user except warlocks (and maybe hunters) 1v1 with ease |
| 17:30.27 | Lunessa | Silence > All non-Melee |
| 17:30.30 | cladhaire | Cide: burning? |
| 17:30.33 | cladhaire | Lunessa: indeed |
| 17:30.34 | Cide | yes |
| 17:30.35 | AnduinLothar | they dont silence me. i have 2 SP on my team |
| 17:30.42 | Cide | mana burn > all non-melee |
| 17:30.55 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: ... that's entirely different. |
| 17:30.57 | cladhaire | we're not talking 3v3 :P |
| 17:31.11 | AnduinLothar | well 2v2 i go with an enhancement shammy and have wf |
| 17:31.15 | Cide | and yeah, paladins are easy to burst down in 5v5 |
| 17:31.16 | AnduinLothar | clothies die fast |
| 17:31.24 | AnduinLothar | my 5v5 is lame |
| 17:31.27 | Cide | well, compared to bursting down something else |
| 17:31.36 | Cide | because then the paladin can just sit there and act as support |
| 17:31.36 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 17:31.40 | AnduinLothar | we just get our 10 games in at 1400 rating and call it a week |
| 17:31.42 | Cide | and you're fucked :P |
| 17:32.20 | AnduinLothar | i haven't been in a good 5v5, so i dunno |
| 17:32.30 | Cide | it's really fun when you win |
| 17:32.37 | AnduinLothar | like most games |
| 17:32.38 | cladhaire | Cide: we had a problem with a pally/spriest last night |
| 17:32.54 | Lunessa | heh, I love Windfury. So do all the Ret Palladins in my guild. |
| 17:32.59 | cladhaire | the warlock wouldn't control the spriest, so burnign the pally to make him blow his bubble.. the spriest was able to take a decent chunk out of each of us. |
| 17:33.06 | Cide | cladhaire: how long can you guys stay alive vs a shadow priest? |
| 17:33.21 | Cide | with fears and stuff |
| 17:33.31 | cladhaire | normally, its not that big of an iddus |
| 17:33.33 | AnduinLothar | cide, why are you trying to match foo:'bar'? |
| 17:33.49 | Cide | cladhaire: I'd personally try and just mana burn the paladin |
| 17:33.55 | Cide | with mana burn and mana drain |
| 17:34.04 | Cide | just spam that shit until he's oom |
| 17:34.05 | cladhaire | i was burning |
| 17:34.09 | cladhaire | but the warlock wasn't draining |
| 17:34.10 | Cide | have the lock drain too |
| 17:34.12 | AnduinLothar | that works 1v1 |
| 17:34.14 | Cide | it's like 300 mana/tick |
| 17:34.28 | cladhaire | and i dont have imp burn |
| 17:34.30 | Cide | AnduinLothar: works 2v2 too :) |
| 17:34.32 | AnduinLothar | or if your team doesn't have any stuns/cs/interupts |
| 17:34.33 | Cide | cladhaire: go get it, right now |
| 17:34.34 | cladhaire | cause i'm raid shadow spec |
| 17:34.39 | Cide | oh, heh :/ |
| 17:34.45 | cladhaire | well i was waiting to talk to you :P |
| 17:34.49 | cladhaire | im' willing to make concessions in the raid spec |
| 17:34.54 | cladhaire | just not sure what to do. |
| 17:35.02 | cladhaire | what do you leave out in shadow to pick up mb? |
| 17:35.14 | AnduinLothar | i hate blackout, but it doesn't proc often in 2v2 and 3v3 |
| 17:35.24 | cladhaire | hehe depends on the luck of the priest |
| 17:35.28 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 17:35.29 | cladhaire | procs quite often for me, luckily :P |
| 17:35.39 | Cide | AnduinLothar: well, shadow priests have silence and paladins have HoJ |
| 17:35.45 | Cide | both dispellable |
| 17:35.55 | cladhaire | but can't trinket out of silence |
| 17:36.00 | AnduinLothar | right, so in my 3v3 we have all 3 |
| 17:36.08 | AnduinLothar | and all casters |
| 17:36.17 | AnduinLothar | so i dont usually get burned unless i start healing |
| 17:36.52 | cladhaire | yeah with two spriests, most teams have to ignore you until you start healing. |
| 17:37.47 | AnduinLothar | right, so if it's vs melee i bop and devo |
| 17:37.53 | Cide | cladhaire: what's your current spec? |
| 17:38.03 | cladhaire | !c us stormrage sagart |
| 17:38.04 | AnduinLothar | the teams that kill us are well ballenced |
| 17:38.06 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Sagart, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (14/0/47). 7811 HP; 9255 Mana; 129 mana regen; 19 mp5; 36 spell crit; 80 spell hit; 635 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (814); 250 shadow dmg (885); 6.42% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 745 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26a7r2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3yjuwy ]] |
| 17:38.36 | AnduinLothar | like war/druid healer/warlock |
| 17:39.03 | Cide | cladhaire: imp vamp embrace |
| 17:39.12 | cladhaire | oh yeah, i guess that would make sense, heh |
| 17:39.15 | Cide | and then one point in shadow focus |
| 17:39.42 | Cide | or more, depending on how much you want to focus on pvp |
| 17:40.09 | cladhaire | well without shadow focus, i have to stack +hit even more for pvp |
| 17:40.10 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 17:41.36 | Cide | you don't need 10% for pvp |
| 17:41.40 | Cide | I think you need 4% |
| 17:41.54 | Cide | 3% actually |
| 17:42.16 | Cide | or maybe it's 4, I can't remember |
| 17:42.22 | Cide | regardless! you don't need 10%, that's for sure |
| 17:42.28 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:42.37 | cladhaire | well resists in pvp are death, that's the only reason i was worried. |
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| 17:42.51 | cladhaire | bt i have 94 +hit in my pvp gear |
| 17:42.55 | Cide | so you need like 4% with shadow focus + hit% |
| 17:43.21 | Cide | that's almost 7.5% hit |
| 17:43.38 | Cide | so you could go with 0/5 |
| 17:43.55 | cladhaire | well i'll be losing +hit as i get pvp gear instead of raid gear |
| 17:45.01 | Cide | yep |
| 17:45.15 | Cide | lots of people like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27795 |
| 17:45.24 | Cide | for getting some hit on their pvp gear |
| 17:45.29 | Cide | and still pretty decent pvp stats |
| 17:45.38 | Cide | I know lots of healers who use it |
| 17:45.58 | cladhaire | nice |
| 17:47.57 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rxMRkhMZZVMGuMpoGtVo |
| 17:48.08 | cladhaire | that gives me three points to put into shadow affinity, or shadow power |
| 17:48.20 | cladhaire | i'd probably do aff, just so i can still pve without dying :P |
| 17:49.04 | Cide | get shadow power over shadow res prolly |
| 17:49.16 | cladhaire | really? |
| 17:49.58 | Cide | hmm |
| 17:50.05 | Cide | I probably would |
| 17:50.19 | Cide | with 400 resilience you're looking at 10% crit reduction as it is |
| 17:50.23 | Cide | 20% crit damage reduction |
| 17:52.20 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 17:52.21 | Cide | granted, unless I'm tired, -crit% helps more the more you have |
| 17:52.24 | cladhaire | well i'm at 0 :P |
| 17:52.44 | Cide | hmm |
| 17:52.58 | Cide | no... |
| 17:53.34 | Cide | the number of crits should decrease exponentially but damage taken should decrease linearly.. I think? |
| 17:53.48 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:54.01 | Cide | meh, whatever! |
| 17:54.27 | Cide | both are probably viable choices, so just go with whatever you feel is more useful |
| 17:54.46 | Cide | the crit% might help more with your low resilience |
| 17:56.01 | cladhaire | what crit% do you mean? |
| 17:56.22 | Lunessa | If I link my PvE spec for my priest, can I get some feedback? |
| 17:56.55 | Cide | cladhaire: shadow res |
| 17:57.04 | cladhaire | okay.. thats waht i thought |
| 17:57.07 | cladhaire | Lunessa: sure |
| 17:57.48 | Lunessa | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Lunessa - PvE healer bot, but I wanted some soloing ability when switching to "loldps" gear. |
| 17:58.04 | Cide | raid groups or parties? |
| 17:58.30 | Lunessa | 5-Mans and raid groups. And yes, I know my stamina is a bit low. |
| 17:58.32 | Thrae | !c us kirin tor lunessa |
| 17:58.36 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Lunessa, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (31/30/0). 6651 HP; 10725 Mana; 316 mana regen; 105 mp5; 14 spell crit; 9 spell hit; 191 +spell dmg; 1552 +heal; 6.38% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 746 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fu33y ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2l75c7 ]] |
| 17:58.48 | Shirik | =( |
| 17:58.52 | Shirik | Lunessa makes me feel worthless now |
| 17:59.07 | Lunessa | How so? |
| 17:59.13 | Cide | Lunessa: hmm, I'd really urge you to pick up lightwell for 2.2 |
| 17:59.16 | Shirik | !c us Drenden Kimina |
| 17:59.18 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5131 HP; 8010 Mana; 288 mana regen; 79 mp5; 75 spell crit; 190 +spell dmg; 779 +heal; 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 704 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bt59e ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/375sed ]] |
| 17:59.41 | zenzelezz | Cide: Lightwell being changed? |
| 17:59.43 | Thrae | !co us kirin tor lunessa us drenden kimina |
| 17:59.45 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Lunessa vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; Lunessa +1520 HP; Lunessa +773 +healing; Lunessa +10 nature resist; Lunessa +1 +spelldmg; Lunessa +1.4% dodge; Kimina +61 spell crit; Lunessa +2715 Mana; Lunessa +28 mana regen; Lunessa +9 spell hit; Lunessa +322 Armour; Lunessa +26 mp5; Lunessa has 3% more stats then Kimina. |
| 17:59.46 | Lunessa | Shirik: Gear. |
| 17:59.51 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 17:59.52 | Cide | zenzelezz: yes - each click gets 100% of +healing |
| 18:00.10 | Lunessa | Cide, hrm. Might be worth trying. |
| 18:00.16 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 18:00.22 | Cide | Lunessa: and 2/2 searing light probably helps you more than power infusion for soloing, which allows you to remove the 5 points in mental strength (basically useless for most stuff to be honest) and put them in holy talents |
| 18:00.28 | zenzelezz | !co us arthas zenzio eu silvermoon zenzio |
| 18:00.31 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Zenzio vs Zenzio! Two 70 warriors square off!; Zenzio +21 melee hit; Zenzio +12.35% block; Zenzio +41 defense; Zenzio +8% dodge; Zenzio +33 All Resists; Zenzio +34 AP; Zenzio +5.07% melee crit; Zenzio +30 resilience; Zenzio +3590 HP; Zenzio +4590 Armour; Zenzio +4.3 Melee DPS; Zenzio has 2% more stats then Zenzio. |
| 18:00.41 | zenzelezz | woot, Zenzio wins |
| 18:00.59 | Thrae | !vs us kirin tor lunessa us drenden kimina |
| 18:00.59 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Lunessa vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; 31/30/0 vs 23/38/0; Lunessa wins by 44 TBRs! |
| 18:01.04 | Lunessa | I had been considering dropping Power Infusion. It's mostly a "zomg mages love me" spell anyway. |
| 18:01.35 | Thrae | Heh, I remember when Innervate was a talent ;) |
| 18:01.56 | Thrae | "OMG Everyone with Mana (except Hunters) love me" |
| 18:02.02 | Lunessa | Yes, and guilds forced all druids to respec to resto to get it. |
| 18:02.11 | Cide | Lunessa: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=dxg0zhxzbZfxx0f0qiu |
| 18:02.20 | Cide | something like that might work |
| 18:02.31 | Thrae | 1/12/X cookie-cutter PvP/PvE |
| 18:02.48 | Cide | can choose between surge of light and searing light |
| 18:03.05 | Cide | or drop holy reach and get both |
| 18:03.27 | Thrae | Holy Spells, Batman! |
| 18:04.51 | Lunessa | Surge of Light seems like a PVP talent to me. Worth considering though. Thanks. :) |
| 18:05.10 | Cide | it's pretty decent for soloing, I think. anyway, you're welcome |
| 18:06.36 | Lunessa | Actually, it's SPELL criticals. Crit heal, blast Smite on the boss for "loldps" hrm.... |
| 18:07.02 | Cide | or crit smite, cast smite for solodps |
| 18:07.39 | Thrae | I remember when Smite was a pissant spell that just annoyed mobs, back in the EQ days. |
| 18:08.25 | Lunessa | Thrae - me too. |
| 18:08.47 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/72374 - ugly hack or not? |
| 18:08.48 | Lunessa | Cide certainly food for thought. I appreciate the input. |
| 18:09.00 | Cide | err, sec |
| 18:09.02 | Thrae | One thing I like about WoW is that the healers can actually do more then just heal (or fight undead), but I still think Shadow Priests in particular need a little more balancing ;) |
| 18:09.20 | Cide | let me fix that |
| 18:10.06 | Lunessa | It's why I finally broke down and played a priest. |
| 18:10.52 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/72375 |
| 18:11.27 | Lunessa | We have a running gag in our guild "LOL, preast r 4 hael" and "loldps" - And honestly, sometimes I feel like all I do is stand about and heal. I wanted to be really good at it. But questing at 70 made me focus on my shaman instead. |
| 18:13.58 | wereHamster | how long until 2.2 is released? days, weeks, months? |
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| 18:25.34 | cladhaire | wow.. alliance four capped eots |
| 18:25.38 | Cide | local checked = self:GetChecked() or false; |
| 18:25.39 | cladhaire | that never happens on my bg |
| 18:25.43 | Cide | why do I have that 'or false'? |
| 18:26.02 | Cide | oh, because it returns nil |
| 18:26.36 | cladhaire | :P |
| 18:27.08 | Shirik | yeah and I hate that about many blizz functions really >.> |
| 18:27.17 | Shirik | a lot return 1 or nil |
| 18:27.30 | cladhaire | its just easier for slouken to push the integer value, instead of pushing the boolean true, false |
| 18:27.35 | cladhaire | they may even be auto-generated bindings :P |
| 18:27.38 | cladhaire | i'm assuming |
| 18:27.44 | cladhaire | or we can yell at him |
| 18:27.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:28.02 | Shirik | there are some cases I can see it used though, and I did it myself to micro-optimize |
| 18:28.14 | Shirik | I returned true or nil instead of true or false because the way the algorithm worked out was easier |
| 18:28.24 | Cide | I do it too |
| 18:28.34 | Cide | just because typing 'return false' is more than typing '' |
| 18:29.02 | Cide | I don't really have a problem with it, it was just that I was looking over my old code and couldn't figure it out |
| 18:29.29 | Shirik | I come from C++ :P |
| 18:29.36 | Shirik | I'm used to true and false everywhere |
| 18:29.45 | Shirik | I even got annoyed at the windows APIs that use TRUE and FALSE which are actually integers |
| 18:29.51 | Lunessa | Don't you hate going back to code you wrote "back in the day" and wondering "WTF was I thinking?!" |
| 18:29.55 | Cide | PlaySound("igMainMenuOptionCheckBox".. (checked and "On" or "Off")); -- hack or not? :P |
| 18:30.35 | Tem | there's a difference? |
| 18:30.43 | Cide | unnecessary concatenation |
| 18:31.00 | Cide | but if ( checked ) then ... else ... end is so verbose |
| 18:31.06 | Cide | oh |
| 18:31.11 | Cide | yeah, there is a slight difference |
| 18:31.49 | Lunessa | Once, while coding for an internet company that shall not be named, I found myself rewriting a module and wondering who the moronic jackass was that coded it in the first place, then found my signature line in the header comments. |
| 18:32.17 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 18:32.40 | Shirik | gg Lunessa |
| 18:33.42 | Lunessa | The best part was me cursing that "jerkwad" soundly, and suddenly going silent. |
| 18:36.13 | Shirik | !ap 1400 |
| 18:36.13 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1400 is, 2v2: 236, 3v3: 270, 5v5: 338 |
| 18:36.24 | Shirik | !ap 1600 |
| 18:36.24 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1600 is, 2v2: 344, 3v3: 393, 5v5: 492 |
| 18:36.29 | Shirik | hm, not bad |
| 18:38.45 | Cide | hmm, I'm curious |
| 18:40.29 | Cide | >>> local time, t = os.clock, { t = { } }; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6 do t["t"][1] = true; end return time()-start |
| 18:40.30 | Cide | Cide: 0.692 |
| 18:40.43 | Cide | >>> local time, t = os.clock, { t = { } }; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6 do local t = t["t"]; t[1] = true; end return time()-start |
| 18:40.43 | Cide | Cide: 0.682 |
| 18:41.10 | Cide | >>> local time, t = os.clock, { t = { } }; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6 do local t = t; local v = t["t"]; v[1] = true; end return time()-start |
| 18:41.11 | Cide | Cide: 0.736 |
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| 18:50.16 | Lunessa | Ok, I keep trying to Shift+click items from Armory into AIM. |
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| 18:50.34 | Lunessa | Someone shoot me. |
| 18:51.08 | Corrodias | *pow* |
| 18:52.28 | Lunessa | *dies* |
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| 19:14.12 | Shirik | =( I liked Lunessa |
| 19:14.14 | Shirik | but now she's dead |
| 19:14.16 | Shirik | good job |
| 19:14.59 | Lunessa|dead | I shall haunt you from the grave. |
| 19:15.46 | sysrage | is there some easy /script or something to force an error? i wanna test this new error frame mod |
| 19:15.56 | Cide | um |
| 19:15.58 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.27 | Shirik | lol |
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| 19:16.40 | sysrage | heh thanks |
| 19:16.41 | Shirik | sysrage: /script function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a) |
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| 19:17.21 | sysrage | that's a sexy 'lil crash |
| 19:17.25 | Cide | so many a's, Shirik :/ |
| 19:17.36 | sysrage | good thing i was about to /quit anyway :) |
| 19:17.36 | Shirik | hey, whe nI submitted it, it didn't have so many a's |
| 19:17.42 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.44 | Shirik | the devs took what I had, mangled it, and it became all as |
| 19:18.07 | Cide | hmm.. |
| 19:18.20 | Shirik | you can also wrap crash |
| 19:18.22 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.24 | Shirik | either way it will work the same |
| 19:18.32 | Shirik | .... |
| 19:18.39 | sysrage | error frame didn't catch it :P |
| 19:18.42 | Cide | you like it |
| 19:20.10 | Corrodias | hmm, what does coroutine.wrap do? |
| 19:20.16 | Corrodias | i could look it up, but i'm about to clean my glasses |
| 19:20.36 | Corrodias | that is somehow relevant. |
| 19:20.37 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap is almost equivalent to |
| 19:21.18 | Shirik | function coroutine.wrap(fn) local cr = coroutine.create(fn); return function(...) coroutine.resume(cr, ...) end end |
| 19:21.35 | Shirik | it returns a function that, when calle,d will resume the coroutine |
| 19:22.00 | Shirik | the function also runs in a protected environment, btw, unlike coroutine.resume |
| 19:22.22 | Corrodias | i guess i should read up on coroutines |
| 19:22.45 | Shirik | in many cases, coroutine.wrap is more convenient than coroutine.create |
| 19:22.52 | Shirik | however, you can't check the status of a wrapped coroutine |
| 19:22.53 | sysrage | this damn thing isn't hiding errors. anybody have a good error frame thingy that'll just pop up a button you can press to view errors but it won't pop up a big ass window in the middle of your screen mid fight? |
| 19:23.05 | Shirik | swatter |
| 19:23.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:23.19 | Corrodias | bugsack |
| 19:23.22 | Shirik | are you getting spammed with errors? |
| 19:23.24 | Shirik | or just one or two |
| 19:23.28 | Shirik | if just one or two, I'd use RDX's |
| 19:24.24 | Corrodias | bugsack is good at dealing with many errors. it'll combine identical errors (giving you a count) and pause error catching if it's being spammed with them |
| 19:25.10 | sysrage | won't pop anything up when the error occurs? just when i click the fubar icon? |
| 19:25.26 | Corrodias | correct for bugsack |
| 19:25.31 | sysrage | cool. thanks |
| 19:25.41 | Cide | I like swatter |
| 19:25.49 | Shirik | me too |
| 19:25.52 | Corrodias | i am not fully familiar with swatter |
| 19:25.53 | sysrage | i'll check swatter too |
| 19:26.55 | sysrage | wait swatter comes with ora2. i have it.. but it's not stopping errors from popping up? |
| 19:27.09 | Corrodias | where does one obtain swatter? |
| 19:27.14 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.16 | Shirik | do /swatter noauto |
| 19:27.21 | Cide | ha, I win |
| 19:27.24 | Shirik | =( |
| 19:28.09 | Cide | this deserves to be linked again for those who missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02s8omM_hI |
| 19:28.16 | Cide | I believe Industrial linked it first |
| 19:29.05 | sysrage | bah. i don't want chat spammed with it either lol |
| 19:29.12 | Shirik | w..t...f... |
| 19:29.22 | sysrage | guess that's better than what i had though. thanks |
| 19:29.31 | Shirik | people are stupid |
| 19:29.32 | Cide | sysrage: can try bugsack then, heh |
| 19:29.39 | Cide | Shirik: but totally awesome |
| 19:29.55 | Thunder_Child | no not really |
| 19:30.11 | Corrodias | yes rly |
| 19:30.36 | Lunessa|dead | Cide: That guy should switch to decaf. |
| 19:31.37 | Cide | Lunessa|dead: probably |
| 19:34.24 | Corrodias | maybe i should devote today to deciding on a combat text addon once and for all |
| 19:34.30 | Corrodias | and until a new one comes out |
| 19:36.59 | Corrodias | i've lived with a certain SCT configuration for quite a long time now |
| 19:37.18 | Industrial | MSBT |
| 19:37.51 | Industrial | incoming on the left, outgoing on the right |
| 19:38.01 | Industrial | i split my pet damae and put it a bit to the right |
| 19:40.08 | Corrodias | that seems to be a popular default config |
| 19:40.13 | Corrodias | or default style, i should say |
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| 19:49.26 | Corrodias | argh, i feel BLIND when i use a different combat text addon or configuration |
| 19:51.24 | Lunessa | Which one do you use now? |
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| 19:54.45 | Corrodias | SCT |
| 19:55.28 | Corrodias | i have notifications at the bottom, healing scrolling down on the bottom 1/3, damage incoming scrolling up on the middle 1/3, and damage outgoing scrolling up in the top 1/3 |
| 19:55.37 | Corrodias | large text |
| 19:55.41 | Lunessa | I've used SCT and Mik's. Not sure which I like better. |
| 19:56.57 | Corrodias | then parrot is another possibility |
| 19:57.03 | zenzelezz | I've only used Mik's, and I'm happy with it |
| 19:57.05 | Corrodias | but they're all so similar, in the end... |
| 19:57.17 | Lunessa | Pretty much. |
| 19:57.43 | Lunessa | Like so many other interface items, it's about personal preference. |
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| 20:00.29 | Tierrie | Kirky! |
| 20:00.38 | Tierrie | Where are you from? Canada? |
| 20:00.41 | Tierrie | England/ |
| 20:04.27 | Corrodias | bohemia |
| 20:05.12 | zenzelezz | nah, he's not Czech |
| 20:05.19 | Tierrie | he's a nutcase |
| 20:05.27 | Tierrie | KIRKY |
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| 20:09.59 | Cairenn | Tierrie: so where are the rest of the pictures? I know you took more than just those |
| 20:10.18 | wereHamster | Corrodias, where's bohemia? |
| 20:10.38 | zenzelezz | Czech Republic |
| 20:11.46 | wereHamster | .. and who's from there again? |
| 20:12.28 | zenzelezz | Czech people |
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| 20:13.39 | Shirik | is it impossible to crit heal when someone's health is at full or something? |
| 20:13.58 | wereHamster | I thought you've been talking about someone in this channe |
| 20:14.34 | zenzelezz | read everything then |
| 20:15.32 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't think so. I 've crit heal myself with Prayer of Healing when I was at full. |
| 20:15.43 | Shirik | ok maybe to clarify, greater heal only |
| 20:15.51 | Shirik | but I've been trying to do this for a good 20 minutes now |
| 20:15.57 | Shirik | haven't gotten a single crit heal on this hunter |
| 20:16.09 | Thunder_Child | you can |
| 20:16.25 | Shirik | I have really, really crappy luck then |
| 20:16.28 | Shirik | like not even kidding |
| 20:16.36 | Thunder_Child | whats your crit % at? |
| 20:16.58 | Shirik | just over 15% |
| 20:17.05 | Shirik | + inner focus = 40% |
| 20:17.20 | AnduinLothar | moo\ |
| 20:17.29 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, well Tierrie joins this channel and starts talking about 'Kirky', it's not exactly clear wgho's he talking about.. maybe Kirkburn but that's just a guess |
| 20:17.49 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn, who is, in fact, English |
| 20:17.59 | Kirkburn | I am?!? :O |
| 20:18.01 | zenzelezz | not many Kirk's in here |
| 20:18.08 | Cairenn|afk | You aren't? |
| 20:18.17 | Kirkburn | Morning ^^ (and yes I am ;) |
| 20:18.23 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 20:18.35 | Cairenn|afk | oh lord, here we go again! |
| 20:18.36 | Thunder_Child | hmm...kirky huh |
| 20:18.59 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:19.02 | Kyahx | Nu-uh |
| 20:19.07 | Thunder_Child | ghosting is cheating |
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| 20:19.29 | Kyahx | lol |
| 20:19.39 | Kirkburn | Well, that was short lived :P |
| 20:19.46 | cladhaire | i cheated |
| 20:19.49 | cladhaire | no one likes a cheater |
| 20:19.58 | Tierrie | Cairenn: i only picked the best pictures to post, the rest were blurry or just more of the same |
| 20:19.59 | Kirkburn | Apple would totally have sued you for that obvious breach of copyright, Cairenn|afk ;P |
| 20:20.04 | Cairenn|afk | later all, off for supper - sister's birthday |
| 20:20.16 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: no, they would have hired me to be their spokesperson |
| 20:20.22 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:20.29 | Kirkburn | You get supper on a birthday? The luxury! |
| 20:20.34 | Kirkburn | Enjoy :) |
| 20:20.37 | Tierrie | Kirk: so want to do anything today? http://www.yelp.com/biz/zvOVatEKJHgQyzEKqMympg? |
| 20:20.57 | Tierrie | i never get supper |
| 20:20.58 | Tierrie | :( |
| 20:21.29 | Kirkburn | Hah, the BBC |
| 20:21.35 | Tierrie | i know :) |
| 20:21.42 | Tierrie | its in menlo so close to where you are |
| 20:21.45 | Kirkburn | Walk past it to the station every day |
| 20:21.49 | Tierrie | but its not a real club scene |
| 20:21.54 | Tierrie | we could go to SF |
| 20:22.03 | Tierrie | have you been there? are you a massive drinker? :D |
| 20:22.19 | Kirkburn | Not to the BBC, and to an extent |
| 20:22.32 | Kirkburn | Not sure what I'm doing today atm though |
| 20:22.36 | Tierrie | hey you're brit, so alcohol must be second nature to you |
| 20:22.45 | Kirkburn | lol, was typing that ^^ |
| 20:23.42 | Tierrie | so |
| 20:23.45 | Tierrie | ok make up your mind |
| 20:24.01 | Tierrie | i am being nice californian host |
| 20:24.02 | Kirkburn | Well, BBC is obviously better for me :P |
| 20:24.12 | Tierrie | ah do you want to travel across the world to be british? |
| 20:24.18 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 20:24.32 | Tierrie | and you'll be like "THIS SHIT AIN'T AUTHENTIC" |
| 20:24.32 | Kirkburn | No, just cause I'm lazy and travelling takes soo loong |
| 20:24.48 | Tierrie | dude i can drive your right wheel drive ass |
| 20:24.50 | Kirkburn | omg, this isn't British beef! Take it away! |
| 20:25.22 | Tierrie | "the cow said 'moo', obviously it is should be 'mooo wut'" |
| 20:25.39 | Tierrie | i don't know how much american stuff you've done, so we can go out and eat a damn steak if you want |
| 20:25.59 | Tierrie | or nothing at all if meeting random people on irc is wierd |
| 20:26.38 | Kirkburn | I need to sort out what I'm doing the rest of the day first |
| 20:26.45 | Tierrie | blargh |
| 20:26.50 | Kirkburn | But I should be free this evening, yes |
| 20:27.44 | Tierrie | me give you my cell |
| 20:27.48 | Tierrie | you call me whenever, i will be out |
| 20:28.01 | Kirkburn | Calling costs me a bomb :/ |
| 20:28.12 | Tierrie | use a payphone |
| 20:28.16 | Tierrie | or the hotel phone |
| 20:28.25 | Kirkburn | I'm in a phoneless apartment :P |
| 20:28.32 | Tierrie | god you're a wanker :P |
| 20:28.33 | Kirkburn | So won't be online at all? |
| 20:28.42 | Kirkburn | *You |
| 20:28.42 | Tierrie | i want to go out and do stuff |
| 20:28.50 | Kirkburn | Well that's fair |
| 20:28.51 | Tierrie | how about texting? |
| 20:28.56 | Tierrie | use some online texting tool? |
| 20:29.31 | Kirkburn | Crazy talk |
| 20:30.02 | Tierrie | how about email? |
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| 20:31.21 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 20:31.25 | zenzelezz | just call already, you'll make it back in the daily que... nevermind |
| 20:32.25 | Kirkburn | Note to self: don't try PMing when you ain't identified >< |
| 20:36.55 | zenzelezz | "LF pom pyro mage rdy to pwn now... must have atleast 2epic" |
| 20:37.07 | zenzelezz | people sure are picky these days |
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| 20:45.35 | Industrial | Anyone ever used the program taksi and get good fps? it completely shreds my fps to 2fps and i have a geforce 7900GT :| |
| 20:45.35 | Tierrie | so wants to see me ditch kirkburn at a gay strip club tonight? :D |
| 20:45.43 | Lunessa | lol |
| 20:45.51 | Thunder_Child | pics or it didnt happen |
| 20:45.54 | Industrial | wanting to tape a rhythm game where arrows fly by at fast speed and you need to press at the right time kinda fails with 2fps |
| 20:46.05 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 20:46.37 | Thunder_Child | i would give it a try Industrial, but it doesnt say it supports vosta |
| 20:46.40 | Thunder_Child | vista* |
| 20:47.02 | Industrial | any other program i can use |
| 20:47.51 | Industrial | todo: audio doesnt actually work yet |
| 20:47.53 | Industrial | great |
| 20:47.59 | Industrial | taksi -> byebye |
| 20:48.08 | Thunder_Child | at least they are trying |
| 20:48.27 | Industrial | yup |
| 20:48.35 | Thunder_Child | besides, what do you need with audio? |
| 20:48.46 | Industrial | its a game thats about music. |
| 20:48.51 | Industrial | (stepmania) |
| 20:49.06 | Thunder_Child | fine, add the audio after in a another program |
| 20:49.12 | Thunder_Child | sounds clearer that way as well |
| 20:50.26 | Industrial | ill youtube it anyay |
| 20:50.35 | Industrial | i just need it to work, with playable fps |
| 20:50.38 | Industrial | (read, above 50) |
| 20:52.42 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht, you here? |
| 20:53.29 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Industrial...i get around 60fps standard and 20 when frapsing...the video still comes out fine |
| 20:55.05 | Industrial | like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kUgPY-Hmn8 |
| 20:55.24 | Industrial | well if i get low fps my own performance will be shit, lol |
| 20:57.58 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it's a little choppy but still playable |
| 21:03.32 | mikma | Industrial: pretty song i must say |
| 21:06.00 | Industrial | want? |
| 21:06.03 | Industrial | got it |
| 21:06.04 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:07.25 | Industrial | mikma: http://darkwired.org/~Industrial/Bride%20in%20Dream.ogg |
| 21:07.30 | mikma | danke! |
| 21:09.48 | Industrial | np |
| 21:18.02 | AnduinLothar | anyone have a favorite pally blessings organizer in raids? I'm nto a big PallyPower fan, but something similar. |
| 21:33.13 | Cidan | where's sag_ich_nicht when I could use him, :/ |
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| 21:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I wasn't aware that any wifi was good |
| 21:44.18 | cog|goodwifi | Hell of a lot better than the wifi at the hotel... |
| 21:45.08 | Thrae | I should stop being ashamed of procrastinating. What is life, but the procrastination of death? |
| 21:45.08 | Lunessa | Wifi better than no connection! |
| 21:45.40 | Lunessa | Thrae is a glass half-empty sort? |
| 21:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe 9/10ths |
| 21:46.26 | AnduinLothar | wifi's fine for most things |
| 21:46.31 | AnduinLothar | cept file transfer |
| 21:46.42 | AnduinLothar | as in large files |
| 21:47.07 | AnduinLothar | chances are you interweb is slower than wifi anyway |
| 21:47.24 | AnduinLothar | unles syou live in europe |
| 21:47.42 | Thrae | I look at the glass as being 100% liquid, so who cares what's "in" it? |
| 21:47.52 | AnduinLothar | the glass is liquid? |
| 21:48.21 | Thrae | The "glass" materials are actually supercooled liquids, not true solids ;) |
| 21:48.37 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:49.12 | Thrae | If we're taking "half-empty" and "half-full" literally, we might as well take the idea that the glass is made out of glass. |
| 21:49.23 | Lunessa | Glass will flow over large time periods - decades. |
| 21:50.05 | Thrae | Yet since glass is a supercooled liquid, and the "half-empty" and "half-full" when literally interpreted refer to a liquid, what is in the glass does not matter, since it's entirely liquid regardless. |
| 21:50.23 | AnduinLothar | [Recipe: Elixir of Major Agility] and [Formula: Enchant Bracer - Superior Healing] becoming bop, buy um now |
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| 21:51.13 | Thrae | "Goddamit, why does this piece of paper keep sticking to my hand! Someone get me [Magical Adhesive Remover]!" |
| 21:53.35 | Cide | AnduinLothar: um |
| 21:53.42 | Cide | they require factions to use |
| 21:53.49 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 21:53.57 | AnduinLothar | spoilign my fun |
| 21:54.22 | AnduinLothar | i should sell them on the ah |
| 21:56.33 | cog|goodwifi | AnduinLothar: my laptop only has 802.11B so it's not uncommon for the internet connection to be faster than it can handle... |
| 21:56.54 | AnduinLothar | get g :P |
| 21:56.56 | AnduinLothar | or n |
| 21:57.12 | cog|goodwifi | when I get a new laptop... it's really not worth it for this one... |
| 21:57.34 | cog|goodwifi | it's only got a 30gb HD and struggles on WoW at 800x600 |
| 21:58.24 | Thrae | My Mom was thrilled at her Dell Inspiron 17" Dual-Core. Plays WoW like a beaut, and doesn't really cost that much for its power. |
| 21:59.47 | Cidan | RL:HHGLHGLGHG, why is my texture not working?! |
| 22:00.11 | Cidan | okay, texture art files, I saved it as TGA, RGB-alpha, with transparent background |
| 22:00.19 | cog|goodwifi | uncompressed? |
| 22:00.25 | Cidan | oh, does it have to be? |
| 22:00.33 | cog|goodwifi | power of two dimensions? |
| 22:00.39 | Cidan | yes |
| 22:00.49 | cog|goodwifi | yep. must be uncompressed |
| 22:00.59 | Cidan | that would do it |
| 22:01.02 | Cidan | let's try that |
| 22:01.37 | Cidan | nope |
| 22:01.41 | Cidan | still shows a solid white block |
| 22:02.05 | Lunessa | Alpha Channel/Layer |
| 22:02.31 | cog|goodwifi | right... can't be a separate layer |
| 22:03.04 | Cidan | sigh |
| 22:03.17 | Lunessa | your tga has to have a correctly created alpha layer/channel/mask. :P |
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| 22:04.54 | cog|goodwifi | woops... accidentally hijacked someone else's wifi... |
| 22:05.19 | Bleeter | wereHamster: did you manage to find any joy? I've posted a leading thread to the US PTR forum -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134094431&sid=1 |
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| 22:06.28 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.17 | Bleeter | wereHamster: ah, I knew there was a *real* wine support #, totally forgot it's name ... thx ;) |
| 22:07.44 | wereHamster | well that's the developer channel, not end-user support |
| 22:09.12 | wereHamster | it seems like a bug in wine, and unless you _really_ (150%-sure) know that it's a bug in WoW.exe I wouldn't post to the WoW forums.. |
| 22:09.16 | Cidan | that did it |
| 22:09.18 | Cidan | thanks all |
| 22:09.18 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:09.33 | Lunessa | you're welcome. |
| 22:09.46 | MentalPower | cog|goodwifi: compression does not matter (I compressed mine) |
| 22:09.53 | cog|goodwifi | orly? |
| 22:10.02 | cog|goodwifi | wonder where i got that from.. |
| 22:10.02 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out until Tuesday - unless Dean hits here, in which case. mayne longer. |
| 22:10.10 | cog|goodwifi | :| |
| 22:10.13 | cog|goodwifi | gl with that |
| 22:10.18 | Lunessa | ciao |
| 22:10.34 | Cidan | Lunessa, oh |
| 22:10.39 | Cidan | Lunessa, you leaving? |
| 22:11.06 | MentalPower | Cidan: can you upload your texture somewhere so we can take a look at it? |
| 22:11.40 | Cidan | MentalPower, I fixed it, did have the alpha layer right. |
| 22:11.49 | MentalPower | cool, even better |
| 22:11.58 | Cidan | did == didn't |
| 22:14.25 | Bleeter | wereHamster: I just asked whether that obscure fmod bugfix had actually gone in |
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| 22:23.20 | Cidan | this is annoying, something is dangling in Conspiracy. Ergh, not being freed on GC |
| 22:27.02 | Cidan | hmm, I see... |
| 22:28.42 | Cidan | if I do something like button:IsFrameType("frame"); will it return true? ie: will it return true if it inherits frame? |
| 22:30.21 | Cidan | and that looks like a yes. |
| 22:30.25 | Cidan | That's not so nice. |
| 22:31.53 | Cidan | ergh |
| 22:32.12 | Cidan | What's the best way to tell an object type? |
| 22:33.50 | Cide | define object type |
| 22:33.58 | Cidan | frame |
| 22:34.06 | Cidan | I want to know if it's a frame, a button, a statusbar |
| 22:34.10 | Cidan | etc |
| 22:34.11 | Cide | frame:GetFrameType() |
| 22:34.22 | Cidan | kk |
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| 22:42.14 | Cidan | well that's fun, my entire object recycle system was broken. Fixed now. :P |
| 22:43.14 | Cidan | ahhhh, much better. |
| 22:43.17 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:43.30 | Cidan | went right back down to 198kb on recycle, :P |
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| 22:46.10 | MentalPower | Cidan: if you also deal with Textures and FontStrings, you want to use Object:GetObjectType() instead |
| 22:46.10 | Cidan | oh lawd |
| 22:46.31 | MentalPower | I've never heard that soundtrack |
| 22:46.38 | Cidan | MentalPower, they have their own recycling system, frames are in one bunch, fonts are in another, textures are in another |
| 22:46.48 | Cidan | MentalPower, into anime? |
| 22:46.59 | MentalPower | depends on the mood |
| 22:47.05 | MentalPower | never seen Neon Genesis tho |
| 22:47.17 | Cidan | First 6 episodes == best anime you will likely ever see |
| 22:47.26 | Cidan | the rest == worst anime you will ever see. |
| 22:47.31 | MentalPower | I'll add it to the queue |
| 22:47.35 | MentalPower | hehe |
| 22:47.40 | Cidan | The ending will make you depressed |
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| 22:47.55 | Cidan | Watch the ending to the episodes first, then the End of Evangelion movie |
| 22:48.14 | Cidan | Not that it will help, it doesn't make _any_ sense. |
| 22:48.25 | Cidan | also, Cide, thanks. :P |
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| 22:50.34 | Cide | Cidan: for what? :) |
| 22:51.04 | cog|wantssleep | For those who love WoW and hate taxes (read: everyone in here should find this amusing): http://www.cafepress.com/buy/World+Of+Warcraft/-/pv_design_details/pg_4/id_14180568/opt_/fpt_/c_666/ |
| 22:51.06 | Cide | oh |
| 22:51.09 | Cide | no problem! |
| 22:51.20 | Shirik | what's a tax again? |
| 22:52.01 | Cidan | Likely we will see a flat "MMO" tax |
| 22:52.10 | Cidan | x% of monthly cost |
| 22:52.14 | Shirik | then we'll start outsourcing our MMOs to china |
| 22:52.15 | Cidan | kin to sales tax |
| 22:52.23 | Shirik | eh, I guess they can still tax it though |
| 22:52.27 | Cidan | Yes, yes they can. |
| 22:52.28 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:52.40 | Shirik | that's what I know a lot of companies do for sales tax though :P |
| 22:52.42 | Cidan | TBH, I can't blame them |
| 22:52.48 | Cidan | fucktards making money off of the game |
| 22:52.57 | Cidan | 'scuse the language. |
| 22:52.59 | Shirik | Like this one company |
| 22:53.04 | Shirik | ever gone between NC and VA? |
| 22:53.08 | Shirik | right along the coast? |
| 22:53.15 | Cidan | once, long ago |
| 22:53.36 | Shirik | ever seen the store .. um |
| 22:53.41 | Shirik | the border shop? |
| 22:53.42 | Shirik | something like that |
| 22:53.57 | Shirik | south of the border is something else iirc |
| 22:54.01 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it's called the border shop |
| 22:54.25 | Shirik | Well they put their store literally on the VA/NC border |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | so it's in two different states |
| 22:54.35 | Cidan | Cute? |
| 22:54.41 | Shirik | They don't have to pay sales tax because they can deliver to another state |
| 22:54.48 | Shirik | which makes it interstate trade |
| 22:55.01 | Cidan | :/ |
| 22:55.07 | Shirik | cheating? maybe :P |
| 22:55.11 | Shirik | I think it's amusing |
| 22:55.41 | Shirik | 182:542:57 12‹CIA-1712› Conspiracy: Oops? |
| 22:55.45 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to see that in the logs, k? |
| 22:55.49 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:55.57 | Cidan | Read the line above it |
| 22:55.58 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:56.04 | Shirik | The "Okay, so, uh." ? |
| 22:56.25 | Shirik | =P |
| 22:56.38 | Cidan | Shh |
| 22:56.39 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:56.53 | Cidan | In other news, the UI has much better memory usage. :P |
| 22:57.03 | Shirik | I don't track it on this laptop so |
| 22:57.11 | Shirik | when I get my desktop I'll be looking again |
| 22:57.47 | Cidan | one thing that is irking me |
| 22:58.00 | Cidan | I'm releasing objects into a pool where they are reused, ie: frames |
| 22:58.27 | Cidan | but memory usage keeps going up and up as even though it is getting frames from the pool and not creating them |
| 22:58.35 | Shirik | I'll double check it for you if you want |
| 22:58.45 | Cidan | Well I know it's not leaving anything handing |
| 22:58.47 | Cidan | er, hanging |
| 22:58.48 | Shirik | I'm also just considering creating a pool object |
| 22:59.06 | Cidan | because when I run the GC, it goes right back down. |
| 22:59.29 | Cidan | to load-time levels |
| 22:59.41 | Shirik | how much is the differential? |
| 23:00.21 | Cidan | depends what I do. If I open the popup menu over and over and have it redo the sub frames over and over, it can jump quite a bit as I spam it. |
| 23:00.34 | Shirik | I'll look at it when I get my desktop :P |
| 23:01.03 | Cidan | kk, to be fair RDX does the same thing |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | RDX was jacked too :P |
| 23:01.23 | Shirik | not really |
| 23:01.25 | Cidan | like right now, I made it jump from 191 to 700+ |
| 23:01.26 | Shirik | but I like saying that now |
| 23:01.35 | Cidan | but if I GC, 191 again |
| 23:01.39 | Shirik | uh.... what units is that? |
| 23:01.57 | Cidan | kb |
| 23:01.59 | Cide | so if you GC and it goes down, that means that you can't do anything about it, unless you're creating excessive amounts :P |
| 23:02.09 | Cide | which you must if you go from 191 to 700, I guess :P |
| 23:02.12 | Cidan | I'm not, or I shouldn't be |
| 23:02.22 | Cidan | because all created frames head back into a pool |
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| 23:02.36 | Cidan | and when it's time to make a new frame, it checks the pool first for one to reuse |
| 23:02.38 | Cide | with a metatable with mode v? |
| 23:02.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:02.48 | Cide | even so |
| 23:02.51 | Cide | >>> 700-191 |
| 23:02.52 | Cide | Cide: 509 |
| 23:02.56 | Cide | you have 509 kb of unreferenced garbage |
| 23:03.09 | Shirik | yeah he wants to know where :P |
| 23:03.10 | Cidan | but wtf, where, :( |
| 23:03.17 | Bleeter | anyone got a 'best guess' of when 2.2 will go live? I'm guessing within the next fortnight. |
| 23:03.17 | Shirik | but I said I'll look for it :P |
| 23:03.39 | Cide | which tables are you creating? |
| 23:03.45 | Cide | like, just frames, or other stuff too? |
| 23:03.50 | JoshBorke | frost mages can do 1200-1400 DPS?! |
| 23:03.52 | Cidan | everything really |
| 23:04.17 | Cide | abstract it into a function call and store a stack trace to every table you make or something |
| 23:04.49 | Cide | local tbl = { }; local createdFrames = setmetatable({ }, { __mode = "k" }); createdFrames[tbl] = debugstack(2, 2, 2); |
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| 23:05.44 | Bleeter | heya Iriel |
| 23:06.14 | Cidan | Hmm |
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| 23:35.39 | foxlit | Hm, some of my silly code ends up crashing WoW during loading |
| 23:36.01 | foxlit | Client simply vanishes at the loading screen |
| 23:44.10 | foxlit | Just need to figure out whether inheriting a template from itself or doing parent="$parent" on the instance was a bad idea |
| 23:53.51 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/72407 |
| 23:57.33 | Cide | nice job |
| 23:57.53 | Cide | tem would be proud |
