| 00:05.06 | cladhaire | no its not :P |
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| 00:06.58 | batrick_ | maybe not in a global env as polluted as wow :P |
| 00:07.45 | cladhaire | wb Esamynn |
| 00:08.19 | Esamynn | oh noes! I've been spotted by a cladhaire! |
| 00:12.01 | Wobwork | woohoo |
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| 00:19.43 | Wobwork | best business name ever: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e05e96abd96ce5a9000dd2ea73ab2b18.jpg |
| 00:27.30 | cladhaire | orly fool? |
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| 00:28.39 | cladhaire | So, if you had to teach someone _what_ XML is, and how it relates to WoW addons, where would you start? |
| 00:29.09 | Wobwork | hm |
| 00:29.44 | Cidan | first I'd ask if they know HTML |
| 00:29.47 | Wobwork | lay it out like "This is the graphical framework of an addon...[this frame here that button there etc]" "this is how it's laid out in the file "<frame...>" |
| 00:29.57 | cladhaire | Cidan: A book is not exactly a conversation :P |
| 00:30.03 | Cidan | oh, right. |
| 00:30.05 | Cidan | a book. |
| 00:30.06 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 00:30.54 | cladhaire | ooh the next chapter is EASY |
| 00:31.01 | cladhaire | yay for documenting the Lua standard libraries :P |
| 00:32.17 | Kaydeethree | diffs of the new PTR interface are up: http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ 0.2.0.7091-7125.diff and 2.1.3.6898-0.2.0.7125.diff among others |
| 00:33.14 | Wobwork | cladhaire: hehe mass c/p from PiL =) |
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| 00:33.27 | cladhaire | Wobwork: uhh.. that would be copyright infringement :P |
| 00:33.30 | Wobwork | (j/k) |
| 00:33.37 | cladhaire | plus no fun |
| 00:33.40 | cladhaire | tho it would be nice to catch up :P |
| 00:33.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish people would run diffs on the ToS |
| 00:33.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 00:37.24 | Kaydeethree | hrm... interesting addition to the patch notes, "World Environment" section |
| 00:37.26 | Kaydeethree | Crypt Fiends around Azeroth and at Hyjal Summit are now more totem friendly. |
| 00:37.40 | Wobwork | totem friendly? |
| 00:38.13 | Kaydeethree | prolly that they won't break the aggro table to attack totems first, but I was pondering the hyjal summit bit |
| 00:38.25 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: I think Iriel *does* run diffs ono the ToS |
| 00:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 00:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've yet to have seen any :o |
| 00:39.09 | Esamynn | I've never seen him publish them |
| 00:39.14 | Wobwork | undead in Hyjal? Heaven forbid =) |
| 00:39.15 | Esamynn | but I think he runs them ;) |
| 00:39.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i meant publish them after running them :p |
| 00:39.34 | Esamynn | :P |
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| 00:55.15 | Legorol | i made a grave mistake. i went to the official test realm forum |
| 00:55.21 | Legorol | my eyes are bleeding now |
| 00:55.39 | Bleeter | hah |
| 00:56.01 | Legorol | i can't beleive people are harassing because test realm maintenance is overrunning the approximate ETA |
| 00:56.11 | Legorol | people's stupidity/impatience knows no limits i guess |
| 00:57.42 | Kaydeethree | this is par for the course for the test realm forums |
| 01:00.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the test realms make the real realms look like the shining pinnacle of human achievement |
| 01:00.35 | Shirik|AFK | woot |
| 01:00.43 | Shirik | got my first credit card today |
| 01:00.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still don't have one |
| 01:00.54 | Shirik | I will soon join the bajillion americans that are neck-deep in debt >.> |
| 01:01.05 | Kaydeethree | oofh |
| 01:01.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really hate that they're pretty much required for most stuff :/ |
| 01:01.12 | Shirik | Actually, I don't intend to use it |
| 01:01.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate the whole "credit score" system and all that junk |
| 01:01.25 | Kaydeethree | at some point I'll break down and get one, I've gone 22 years without need |
| 01:01.27 | Shirik | I just figured, since my bank had already approved me, I'd agree to it so I can at least establish some kind of credit |
| 01:01.37 | Shirik | for now, my checking account suits me fine |
| 01:01.53 | Wobwork | Shirik: just cause you have a credit card doesn't mean you have to be in debt =P |
| 01:02.04 | Wobwork | I just use it as a debit card =P |
| 01:02.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got a debit card i use all the damn time, but i'd be too lazy to pay my shit back on a real credit card |
| 01:02.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | : |
| 01:02.16 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | that pisses me off sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 01:02.34 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 01:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd run into places with my tanking gear on for traveling |
| 01:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i didn't have to worry about getting dazelocked |
| 01:03.07 | sag_ich_nicht | # |
| 01:03.08 | sag_ich_nicht | # The WoW client on Windows no longer defaults to 800x600 video resolution if the WoW resolution is higher than the desktop resolution when going from fullscreen mode to windowed mode. |
| 01:03.27 | sag_ich_nicht | thank god this was being a damn annoyance because it was causing a resolution lock bug when alt tabbing(VERY rarely) |
| 01:04.06 | Wobwork | hm |
| 01:04.19 | Wobwork | does that mean we're going to get dazed no matter what if attacked from behind? |
| 01:04.26 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 01:04.27 | Wobwork | does dodge reduce the chance? |
| 01:04.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, wob, it probably is the base 5% chance |
| 01:04.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 01:04.36 | sag_ich_nicht | it just means the chance to get dazed is the same for everyone. |
| 01:04.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has to be a successful hit |
| 01:04.51 | Wobwork | ah, k |
| 01:04.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a chance on hit on mob attacks |
| 01:05.05 | Shirik | Wobwork: That's why I said I don't intend to use it :P |
| 01:05.08 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a "STFU WHINERS" from blizzard, and also a fix so nobody can QQ about it being unfair depending on player |
| 01:05.14 | Shirik | What I said was more of a joke than anything :) |
| 01:05.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | Chance on hit: dazes your target, slowing movement speed by 50% for 6 seconds. |
| 01:06.20 | Shirik | wtf.... |
| 01:06.30 | Shirik | they're making it EASIER to be dazed?! |
| 01:06.34 | Shirik | yeah, that was really needed |
| 01:06.36 | Kaydeethree | wow, haven't gotten a SBTALOL in a while |
| 01:06.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | when behind |
| 01:06.45 | Shirik | w/e |
| 01:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the same for people with base defense, shirik |
| 01:07.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | just easier for those with higher than base |
| 01:07.02 | Shirik | that doesn't change the fact that they're making it easier |
| 01:07.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, it's 20% |
| 01:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's only easier for people in defense gear, shirik |
| 01:07.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's an equalizer |
| 01:07.39 | Shirik | it's still easier |
| 01:07.46 | Shirik | if you looked at the mean across the board |
| 01:07.49 | Shirik | it would be easier |
| 01:08.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm glad they're equalizing it honestly |
| 01:08.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes no sense for mr tankyspank to be impossible to daze while mr mageypants gets dazed every other hit |
| 01:10.03 | Wobwork | except maybe a metal helmet |
| 01:10.08 | Wobwork | compared to a hood |
| 01:10.40 | sag_ich_nicht | ...mages can't get stopped by daze |
| 01:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | it's all UNMOUNT BLINK |
| 01:11.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | Wobwork, using real world examples for game mechanics is a slippery slope :/ |
| 01:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | by that example, when you're in plate armor you should move slower than those in mail, and mail should move slower than leather and cloth |
| 01:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and swimming should be impossible in mail and plate |
| 01:14.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just not a good idea trying to balance stuff ingame around reality :/ |
| 01:15.16 | Shirik | wb Cairenn |
| 01:22.26 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 01:26.08 | Cidan | nOoOooOoo shirik |
| 01:26.11 | Cidan | you died on MSN |
| 01:26.14 | Cidan | What ever will I do?! |
| 01:26.25 | cladhaire | use googletalk not MSN |
| 01:26.26 | cladhaire | fags |
| 01:26.33 | Cidan | tell that to him |
| 01:26.41 | Cidan | googletalk == better code paste |
| 01:26.45 | cladhaire | Cidan: well i obviously wasn't talking to you, I talk to you on googletalk :P |
| 01:26.48 | Thunder_Child | i hate googletalk |
| 01:26.50 | cladhaire | Cairenn: and your'e a fag imo :P |
| 01:26.59 | Thunder_Child | their "app" sucks |
| 01:27.00 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: so use "arbitrary jabber client 17" with your googletalk account |
| 01:27.09 | cladhaire | jabber > msn |
| 01:27.17 | Cidan | msn wordfilters |
| 01:27.19 | vulture | can someone explain to me why cartographer is using about half as much cpu as damagemeters while we're raiding (i.e. DM is using a ton of CPU) ? |
| 01:27.20 | Cidan | which is retarded. |
| 01:27.31 | Cairenn | cladhaire: if she's hot enough, I might very well be :p |
| 01:27.32 | Cidan | bad programmers. |
| 01:27.36 | cladhaire | vulture: because damagemeters has to parse every single mesage in your combat log |
| 01:27.40 | cladhaire | cartographer is a passive map addon |
| 01:27.46 | cladhaire | i.e. they're not comprable.. at all. |
| 01:27.46 | Thunder_Child | i use it with pidgin, but it doesnt always pick up all of the conversations |
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| 01:28.21 | vulture | cladhaire: so WHY is cartographer using a shitload of cpu time? :P |
| 01:28.24 | vulture | DURING a raid |
| 01:28.39 | cladhaire | Oh, your questino was unclear |
| 01:28.43 | cladhaire | in that case, I cede to Cidan: "bad programmers" |
| 01:28.52 | vulture | great |
| 01:28.57 | vulture | cartographer is bad then =[ |
| 01:29.00 | Cidan | Likely to update position of raid members on the map |
| 01:29.04 | cladhaire | its doing something it should not, is the moral of the story |
| 01:29.13 | cladhaire | Cidan: there's no map in a raid, so |
| 01:29.13 | cladhaire | :P |
| 01:29.28 | Kaydeethree | oh, I really wish I had access to a banstick so I could perform a cleansing of the PTR forum |
| 01:29.32 | Cidan | hmm, forgot, can't get coordinates |
| 01:29.33 | Cidan | :/ |
| 01:29.35 | vulture | doing a LOT of things it shouldnt, to use that much cpu time... apparently |
| 01:29.40 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:29.40 | Cidan | Then, yeah, really really bad programmers? |
| 01:29.44 | cladhaire | talk to ckknight |
| 01:29.54 | Cidan | :P |
| 01:29.56 | cladhaire | someone may have written a stupid module, or something |
| 01:29.58 | ckknight | what's all this, then? |
| 01:29.59 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:30.05 | Cidan | ckknight, <3 |
| 01:30.20 | ckknight | vulture: you sure you have the latest version? |
| 01:30.27 | ckknight | there's a bug in the old versions |
| 01:30.49 | vulture | I dont upgrade daily |
| 01:30.56 | Cidan | yeah, due to a bug called 'l2code' |
| 01:30.58 | vulture | a good mod doesnt need updates! |
| 01:30.58 | Cidan | :P |
| 01:31.03 | ckknight | ...no |
| 01:31.05 | ckknight | just stop there |
| 01:31.08 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:31.13 | Cidan | no kidding |
| 01:31.16 | vulture | I just disabled it, gained 15 fps for hydross |
| 01:31.20 | vulture | pretty amazing |
| 01:31.30 | Kirkburn | One year ago today: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&direction=prev&oldid=219743 |
| 01:31.30 | Cidan | Blizzard rewrites the API every 2 weeks or so. |
| 01:31.31 | ckknight | because of said bug I told you about. |
| 01:31.50 | vulture | I see |
| 01:31.59 | vulture | Cidan; it doesnt change that much! |
| 01:32.03 | Cidan | HAHHAHA |
| 01:32.06 | Cidan | AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 01:32.13 | Cidan | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 01:32.16 | Cidan | Yes it does. |
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| 01:32.28 | cladhaire | kthxbai |
| 01:32.30 | vulture | mods that I wrote pre-tbc still work without much modification |
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| 01:32.33 | Cidan | :( |
| 01:32.59 | ckknight | vulture: that's an anomoly, seeing as there were language changes and large API changes. |
| 01:33.02 | cladhaire | Cidan: <3 |
| 01:33.09 | Cidan | <3 4ever. :D |
| 01:33.16 | ckknight | Cidan: you can have fun in #wowace |
| 01:33.20 | ckknight | I won't be mean and stop you |
| 01:33.25 | ckknight | ...for now |
| 01:33.30 | cladhaire | so chapter 6 is.. copy and paste from the lua reference manual. |
| 01:33.33 | cladhaire | how.. boring. |
| 01:33.36 | vulture | you mean TINY language changes (tables iterators) and api changes are so minor and/or dont affect a lot of mods |
| 01:33.41 | Cidan | I should tell you, I can't stand ace, :P |
| 01:33.51 | ckknight | vulture: they added proper tuples. |
| 01:33.55 | ckknight | that's a huge change |
| 01:34.02 | Cidan | vulture, Huge, huge changes. |
| 01:34.02 | ckknight | Cidan: oh? |
| 01:34.06 | ckknight | Cidan: why's that? |
| 01:34.10 | cladhaire | ckknight: negatory.. they changed vararg to a specific type of tuple, that has one existance and use. |
| 01:34.15 | vulture | I still use telo's mods from like, original wow beta, with almost no change! |
| 01:34.17 | cladhaire | ckknight: they didn't add proper tuples, at all. |
| 01:34.20 | cladhaire | I'd be stoked if they did. |
| 01:34.21 | ckknight | ah, true |
| 01:34.31 | ckknight | still better than before. |
| 01:34.32 | cladhaire | tho I'm working on that ;-) |
| 01:34.35 | ckknight | cheaper, at least |
| 01:34.37 | ckknight | really? |
| 01:34.40 | cladhaire | there's a good camp of us |
| 01:34.41 | cladhaire | yes |
| 01:34.43 | ckknight | I was in #lua before talking about that |
| 01:34.52 | ckknight | with rici and the like |
| 01:34.55 | Cidan | ckknight, I just don't like how it works, that's all. It's nice in it self, but I have my own style I guess. |
| 01:34.58 | cladhaire | everyone has, lol |
| 01:35.46 | Wobwork | cladhaire: re: c/p Ha =) |
| 01:36.04 | cladhaire | :P |
| 01:36.18 | cladhaire | didn't have a choice |
| 01:36.21 | Wobwork | It's true |
| 01:36.27 | cladhaire | every time i try to write another line describing the function |
| 01:36.27 | Kirkburn | Lookit, sexy featured media on teh WoWWiki (skroll teh bottom) |
| 01:36.30 | Wobwork | There's only so many ways that info can be laid out |
| 01:36.32 | cladhaire | i get pisssed, and want to make it sounds like the refman |
| 01:36.37 | Kirkburn | (omg link http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page) |
| 01:36.43 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: is a whore. |
| 01:36.55 | Wobwork | you're such a pimp, Kirkburn |
| 01:37.02 | ckknight | feature me, Kirkburn |
| 01:37.04 | Wobwork | needs animation imo =P |
| 01:37.06 | Kirkburn | I multitask |
| 01:37.06 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: I don't want to calculate the exact name of my perfect lover. |
| 01:37.16 | Wobwork | cladhaire: it's "JOE" |
| 01:37.19 | Kirkburn | New screenshot everyday :) |
| 01:37.26 | Kirkburn | Haha |
| 01:37.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I saw that ad earlier |
| 01:37.38 | cladhaire | my boyfriend won't be happy to hear that, Wobwork |
| 01:37.59 | Kirkburn | Yeah, well, we can't spell his name |
| 01:38.00 | Wobwork | He can change his name by deed poll =) |
| 01:38.21 | Wobwork | Just don't yell it out during sex before the change |
| 01:38.33 | Kirkburn | Here's an interesting thing - you don't have to do anything to change your name in the UK |
| 01:38.39 | cladhaire | i dont like the name joe, imo |
| 01:38.40 | Kirkburn | You name is whatever name you go by |
| 01:38.44 | Wobwork | Kirkburn: what, officially? |
| 01:38.44 | cladhaire | hey s-autocomplete, i mean.. sioraiocht |
| 01:38.47 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 01:38.52 | Wobwork | s-tab =) |
| 01:39.14 | Kirkburn | Some banks, etc, might be bitchy about it, in which case you get some documents for it, but legally, whatever anem you go by, is your name |
| 01:39.14 | Wobwork | Kirkburn: sounds a bit chaotic |
| 01:39.29 | Wobwork | "My parents called me 'Hey You'" |
| 01:39.31 | Kirkburn | How often do people change their name? |
| 01:39.42 | Wobwork | What about people with multiple personalities? |
| 01:39.55 | Wobwork | "Arthur" one day, "Linda" the next... |
| 01:40.23 | cladhaire | gah.. i leave for england in 36 days, 21 hours. |
| 01:40.29 | Kirkburn | Yay |
| 01:40.32 | Wobwork | Not that anyone's counting =) |
| 01:40.37 | Kirkburn | Well, this is what I was told, I'm reading up on it now |
| 01:40.40 | cladhaire | i have a dashboard widget |
| 01:40.43 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 01:40.49 | Cairenn | :( |
| 01:40.57 | Kirkburn | Here we are - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_change#United_Kingdom |
| 01:41.18 | Kirkburn | "In theory anyone who is at least 16 years of age and resident in the United Kingdom can call themselves whatever they wish." |
| 01:41.29 | cladhaire | its on wikipedia |
| 01:41.31 | cladhaire | it must be true |
| 01:41.35 | buu | Kirkburn: But can you call your self "Gandalf" ? |
| 01:41.37 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Kirkburn!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (can you feel this in your Wikia?) |
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| 01:41.47 | Kirkburn | itch |
| 01:41.48 | Wobwork | deed poll, then, see? |
| 01:41.52 | Kirkburn | *bitch! |
| 01:41.59 | cladhaire | Sorry, just trying to drive up the stats for the channel :P |
| 01:42.04 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 01:42.06 | Thunder_Child | admin abuse!! |
| 01:42.12 | Wobwork | cladhaire. Always thinking of the people |
| 01:42.14 | cladhaire | :P |
| 01:42.17 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:42.20 | Kaydeethree | abusing the peons is the best part of being an op |
| 01:42.21 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowi-lounge.html.gz |
| 01:42.27 | Kirkburn | buu, don't see a reason why not |
| 01:42.48 | Wobwork | Cidan, the chatty one |
| 01:42.48 | cladhaire | Nice opers here, no one got kicked! |
| 01:42.54 | cladhaire | see |
| 01:42.56 | cladhaire | trying to fix that |
| 01:42.58 | cladhaire | we'll get a bad rep |
| 01:43.14 | Kirkburn | Log only just started today? |
| 01:43.29 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 01:43.29 | buu | What was the name of that addon that imported the wowhead database? |
| 01:44.16 | cladhaire | buu: LightHeaded |
| 01:44.22 | Kirkburn | I wonder who made that |
| 01:44.23 | cladhaire | it sucks tho, don't use it |
| 01:44.24 | buu | Thanks |
| 01:44.32 | Kirkburn | Yeah, totally sucks. The author sucks too. |
| 01:44.57 | Thunder_Child | they have better |
| 01:44.58 | Wobwork | He swallows too, so I hear |
| 01:45.04 | cladhaire | hey-oh |
| 01:45.06 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
| 01:45.17 | Kirkburn | No smiley face from me ... -_- |
| 01:45.18 | cladhaire | Wobwork: no arnotts at the international store at the mall. |
| 01:45.24 | Wobwork | =( |
| 01:45.27 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: can i buy TimTam's in the UK? |
| 01:45.30 | Wobwork | That's a ... |
| 01:45.39 | Wobwork | gah I want to say "tragedy" but that's not the right word |
| 01:45.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:45.44 | Wobwork | Travesty! |
| 01:45.51 | Kirkburn | Wtf is a TimTam? |
| 01:46.00 | cladhaire | delicious goodness |
| 01:46.05 | Wobwork | Damn, where've you been Kirk =) |
| 01:46.15 | Wobwork | hm, I wonder where you can get it... |
| 01:46.21 | Wobwork | I would say try near the Aussie Embassy |
| 01:46.22 | cladhaire | that was the best "holy shit i just gave my address to some random guy on IRC and instead of sending me a bomb, he sent me cookies!" |
| 01:46.29 | Wobwork | ^^ |
| 01:46.30 | Kirkburn | I'm off home |
| 01:46.31 | cladhaire | moment I've ever had |
| 01:46.35 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
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| 01:46.46 | Kirkburn | I'll be back :) |
| 01:46.55 | Wobwork | I'm like the chocolate cookie fairy |
| 01:46.55 | Thunder_Child | to bad |
| 01:47.00 | Wobwork | without the wings |
| 01:47.13 | cladhaire | Wobwork: i was lead to believe you had wings |
| 01:47.14 | cladhaire | *cry* |
| 01:47.23 | Wobwork | I had them cut =( |
| 01:47.28 | Wobwork | it ruined the line of my suits |
| 01:47.44 | cladhaire | boo |
| 01:47.54 | cladhaire | my suit is in the tailor |
| 01:48.00 | cladhaire | had to buy a new black suit |
| 01:48.09 | cladhaire | damn Oxford and their subfusc =/ |
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| 01:49.04 | Wobwork | But yeah, most of the 'international supermarkets' near embassys carry the local goods, so to speak |
| 01:49.11 | Wobwork | So your best chance for Timtams would be there |
| 01:49.16 | Shirik | well, that was shortlived |
| 01:49.27 | cladhaire | Wobwork: thanks, i'll take a look when I get to england |
| 01:49.28 | Shirik | I turn on this desktop for the first time in a good half year or so |
| 01:49.36 | Shirik | Install BC on it, walk away while it's installing patches |
| 01:49.45 | Shirik | it locks up and now won't POST |
| 01:49.53 | Kaydeethree | oof |
| 01:49.57 | Wobwork | =\ |
| 01:50.05 | Shirik | oh well, I don't need it anyway |
| 01:50.12 | Shirik | it was actually put together with all spare parts |
| 01:50.36 | Shirik | my old board when I decided Pentium D sucked, the ram to go with it |
| 01:50.43 | Shirik | (since it was DDR2 and not what my AMD board uses) |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik | my old vid card, old sound card |
| 01:50.57 | Shirik | spare case |
| 01:51.01 | Shirik | the only thing I bought for it was the PSU |
| 01:52.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:52.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | new tos on the latest ptr |
| 01:52.24 | haste | post a diff! |
| 01:52.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish i knew some diffs on it :( |
| 01:52.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know how to |
| 01:52.38 | Kaydeethree | meh, I'll revert and run diffs |
| 01:55.09 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 01:55.27 | cladhaire | lolz |
| 01:55.27 | cladhaire | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSecretDiaryOfSteveJobs/~3/144850201/freetards-this-is-outrageous.html |
| 01:55.51 | cladhaire | covered boobies |
| 01:55.52 | cladhaire | if you're at work |
| 01:55.56 | Kaydeethree | gnome shoulders seem to be large now |
| 01:56.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwahaha |
| 01:56.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should swap orc and gnome shoulders for a patch |
| 01:56.54 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 01:56.54 | Wobwork | Cidan's faithful follower, cladhaire, didn't speak so much: 1578 words. |
| 01:57.08 | cladhaire | HEH |
| 01:57.13 | cladhaire | IN CAPS EVEN RAR! |
| 01:57.23 | Kaydeethree | damn |
| 01:57.38 | Kaydeethree | gnome weapons/shoulders are definately larger. orc-sized or something |
| 01:57.39 | Kaydeethree | lmfao |
| 01:57.51 | Kaydeethree | this is going to go over well on the forums |
| 01:58.56 | Wobwork | Priceless =) |
| 02:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | This could be messy |
| 02:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Magtheridon with three total tanks |
| 02:02.04 | Wobwork | hm |
| 02:02.10 | Wobwork | 4ed D&D |
| 02:02.28 | Wobwork | I never understood the first three anyway =P |
| 02:02.34 | Shirik | wtf cladhaire |
| 02:02.43 | Shirik | you're supposed to tell me I'm not in dongle |
| 02:02.54 | Shirik | I feel bad, like I was leaving you guys out |
| 02:02.55 | Wobwork | Shirik: You're not in dongle |
| 02:02.59 | Shirik | yes I am |
| 02:03.00 | Shirik | stop lying |
| 02:03.05 | JoshBorke | Shirik: you're not in dongle |
| 02:03.18 | Shirik | ~lart JoshBorke |
| 02:03.18 | purl | eats JoshBorke and falls over dead |
| 02:03.30 | JoshBorke | Shirik: CTL RDX, kthxbai :-P |
| 02:03.33 | Wobwork | You killed Purl! |
| 02:03.35 | Wobwork | You bastard! |
| 02:03.43 | cladhaire | Shirik: you're not in Dongle. |
| 02:03.48 | cladhaire | Shirik: and ace RDX please. |
| 02:04.04 | Shirik | What is RDX? |
| 02:04.15 | Cidan | RDwhat? |
| 02:04.17 | Wobwork | cladhaire: nono, it's ACE RDX plx |
| 02:04.23 | Shirik | pl0x |
| 02:04.29 | cladhaire | So can anyone think of a value, that when tainted, affects some other part of the UI? |
| 02:04.30 | Cidan | Sigh |
| 02:04.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:04.42 | Shirik | string |
| 02:04.52 | Shirik | do string = nil |
| 02:04.56 | Cidan | lol. |
| 02:05.13 | cladhaire | taint.. not ruin :P |
| 02:05.17 | Shirik | it'll taint |
| 02:05.19 | Cidan | I'm sure there is |
| 02:05.24 | Shirik | fine, do |
| 02:06.08 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: beside the one others found (NUM_ACTIONBUTTON_SOMETHING)? |
| 02:06.18 | cladhaire | well that just taints the action bars |
| 02:06.38 | cladhaire | the goal is to taint a value, and affect some other _relatively_ unrelated system |
| 02:06.40 | Shirik | string = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) local v = string[k]; if type(v) == 'function' then return function(...) return v(...) end; else return v; end end}) |
| 02:06.40 | JoshBorke | wasn't there something with the dropdown stuff? |
| 02:06.42 | Shirik | perfect. |
| 02:06.50 | Shirik | No ruining, only tainting of the entire string library |
| 02:07.09 | Cidan | So, I was looking at google, and I found something interesting |
| 02:07.15 | Cidan | www.free-rdx.org |
| 02:07.37 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 02:07.50 | Cidan | http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:2sji4ikWcQIJ:www.free-rdx.org/+free-rdx.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 02:07.58 | Cidan | google cache |
| 02:08.09 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 02:08.11 | Wobwork | free-rdx |
| 02:08.20 | Wobwork | NO CAGED RDXs! |
| 02:08.26 | Wobwork | RDX IS INNOCENT |
| 02:08.37 | Shirik | that seems to have failed miserably |
| 02:08.44 | Cidan | Yeah. |
| 02:08.51 | Cidan | Likely died out when BC hit |
| 02:09.10 | Cidan | Hard for people who rip code and don't know what they are doing when an all new API is introduced. ;x |
| 02:09.50 | Shirik | yup |
| 02:09.58 | Kaydeethree | gnome shoulder comparison: http://ctscreens.net/8548 |
| 02:10.26 | Cidan | poor thing will have to waddle |
| 02:13.13 | Wobwork | hehe shoulderpads |
| 02:13.16 | Wobwork | how very 80s |
| 02:13.44 | haste | Kaydeethree: did they fix orcs tho' :p ? |
| 02:14.00 | Cidan | okay shirik |
| 02:14.03 | Kaydeethree | that got fixed around build 6983 |
| 02:14.03 | Cidan | going to register the domain |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | sounds good |
| 02:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, is that on the PTR? |
| 02:15.10 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 02:15.15 | Kaydeethree | my description's got the details |
| 02:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, so you do |
| 02:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's going to be both awesome and broken |
| 02:15.38 | Wobwork | Cidan: You managed to get www.conspiracy.com? =P |
| 02:15.44 | Cidan | I wish. |
| 02:16.01 | Wobwork | You certainly would have gotten the traffic if you did =) |
| 02:18.10 | Nom- | wtb coffee |
| 02:39.26 | Shirik | purl, ping |
| 02:39.27 | purl | pong |
| 02:40.28 | Shirik | lol cladhaire you kicked Cidan? |
| 02:40.35 | Shirik | do it again, he probably deserved it |
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| 02:46.50 | Kirkburn | I is back |
| 02:47.29 | Wobwork | Has you a bucket? |
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| 02:51.58 | Kirkburn | I has a bukket |
| 02:52.33 | Shirik | can I has buket? |
| 02:52.57 | Shirik | s/can I/I can/ |
| 02:53.30 | cladhaire | in england, i'm going to be doing serious PVP |
| 02:53.35 | Nom- | no, i has teh bukit |
| 02:53.43 | cladhaire | i have a spriest and a hunter (rogue i have, but dont want to use) |
| 02:53.51 | cladhaire | what should I roll for 2v2/3v3? |
| 02:54.06 | Shirik | pally |
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| 02:54.23 | Nom- | Dude, do you have any idea how much work it takes to get a viable PvP pally ? |
| 02:54.26 | Nom- | :/ |
| 02:54.40 | Shirik | hm, yeah can't bubblehearth I guess |
| 02:54.48 | Shirik | since hearth is on a >5m CD |
| 02:54.59 | Nom- | ha |
| 02:55.22 | Nom- | No, but seriously...you have to have a LOT of gear to do viable PvP on a pally |
| 02:55.33 | Nom- | 1600 AP and 20% crit isn't that easy to acheive |
| 02:55.37 | Shirik | I would have thought it'd be easy |
| 02:55.44 | Shirik | only plate healer in the game |
| 02:55.56 | cladhaire | okay, so what should i roll |
| 02:56.01 | Nom- | Well... |
| 02:56.02 | cladhaire | or should i keep my spriest? |
| 02:56.06 | cladhaire | warlock? |
| 02:56.07 | cladhaire | shaman? |
| 02:56.08 | cladhaire | warrior? |
| 02:56.10 | Nom- | The healing plate (the good stuff) is in heroics |
| 02:56.10 | Shirik | lol warlock |
| 02:56.20 | Shirik | actually, yeah warrior |
| 02:56.23 | Cide | cladhaire: what partner? |
| 02:56.27 | Shirik | warriors ftw |
| 02:56.31 | Shirik | afk power cord |
| 02:56.31 | cladhaire | either a Shaman or a mage |
| 02:56.34 | Nom- | So that's a few weeks of grinding rep and a few more weeks of grinding heroics to gear up |
| 02:56.47 | Cide | shaman/mage is a deadly combo |
| 02:56.52 | Nom- | Basically, the best Retribution stuff comes FROM PvP |
| 02:56.53 | cladhaire | so i'd need to roll mage |
| 02:57.00 | Cide | mage/mage is also pretty good |
| 02:57.02 | Nom- | So you have to do PvP in order to PvP more |
| 02:57.03 | cladhaire | i'm level 35, i guess i could try to finish ti. |
| 02:57.29 | Nom- | Well, spriest is pretty damn nice for pvp |
| 02:57.35 | Cide | only with warlocks |
| 02:57.39 | Cide | in 2v2/3v3 |
| 02:57.45 | Nom- | Get yourself up to 1000 shadow damage and you can OWN |
| 02:58.02 | cladhaire | im there |
| 02:58.06 | Cide | only with warlocks, really |
| 02:58.14 | Cide | or elemental shamans |
| 02:58.33 | Nom- | you should be pwning then cladhaire |
| 02:58.41 | cladhaire | he could be elemen shaman |
| 02:58.43 | cladhaire | the shaman isn't 70 yet |
| 02:58.43 | Wobwork | how do spriests synergise with ele shammies? |
| 02:58.45 | cladhaire | we're planning |
| 02:58.45 | Thrae | Phew. Every have one of those moments where you don't feel like doing anything in particular, so you reorganize 50% of the house? |
| 02:58.46 | Nom- | 1000 shadow damage makes for some insane mind flays |
| 02:58.47 | cladhaire | and i need to re-roll |
| 02:58.58 | Cide | Wobwork: bloodlust and lots of damage |
| 02:59.07 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 02:59.10 | Nom- | dual wield enchance shamans are pretty nasty in pvp |
| 02:59.11 | Wobwork | face melty |
| 02:59.22 | Nom- | I'm actually going to roll one myself for my next character |
| 02:59.26 | Cide | lots of interrupts |
| 02:59.59 | cladhaire | so should i plan to stick with my priest? |
| 03:00.07 | Shirik | tbh, I hear in arenas |
| 03:00.07 | cladhaire | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4068767512452275304&q=fall+out+boy+%22sugar+we%27re+going+down%22&total=909&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 |
| 03:00.09 | Shirik | holy is the way to go |
| 03:00.10 | Cide | if you can get yourself an ele shaman, sure |
| 03:00.11 | Shirik | not shadow |
| 03:00.17 | Shirik | holy/disc |
| 03:00.17 | Nom- | A well geared spriest is scary good for pvp |
| 03:00.18 | cladhaire | not in 2v2 |
| 03:00.19 | cladhaire | in 5v5, sure |
| 03:00.22 | cladhaire | in 3v3, sure |
| 03:00.32 | Nom- | If you're going to arena though, holy is nuts in the 3v3, 5v5 brackets |
| 03:00.43 | Nom- | Get yourself 300 resilience and you're harder to kill than a paladin |
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| 03:01.00 | Nom- | And I am not joking at all |
| 03:01.05 | Shirik | so I hear |
| 03:01.11 | Cide | no, Nom- |
| 03:01.22 | Cide | I'm sitting at 406 resilience and that's definitely not the case |
| 03:01.30 | Nom- | l2p :) |
| 03:01.32 | Cide | however, we're pretty damn good WITH a paladin |
| 03:01.52 | Nom- | You are seriously... at that level of resilience you almost never get crit |
| 03:02.00 | cladhaire | Cide: Well, sioraiocht has a Shaman he's rolling, and already has a Mage |
| 03:02.01 | Cide | don't need to get crit to die |
| 03:02.04 | Nom- | in the next patch, dots are going to do so much less to you |
| 03:02.10 | Cide | dots aren't an issue |
| 03:02.15 | Nom- | That's why you have fears |
| 03:02.15 | Shirik | the cool thing is |
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| 03:02.18 | Shirik | doesn't that thing that heals you |
| 03:02.22 | cladhaire | I have a spriest, hunter, rogue, and my next closest is my mage |
| 03:02.24 | Nom- | and in 5v5 at least 1 other healer |
| 03:02.29 | Shirik | still heal if resilience blocks the crit? |
| 03:02.44 | Cide | Shirik: it doesn't work that way |
| 03:02.47 | Shirik | boo :( |
| 03:02.54 | Nom- | Prayer of Mending? |
| 03:02.55 | Cide | sec, let me explain |
| 03:02.58 | Shirik | no |
| 03:03.00 | Shirik | the talent |
| 03:03.04 | Cide | the game doesn't know that resilience converted a crit to a non-crit |
| 03:03.06 | Nom- | ah kk |
| 03:03.06 | Shirik | that heals on crit |
| 03:03.26 | Cide | so as resilience goes up, you get a %chance to proc crit-only abilities on non-crits |
| 03:03.30 | Cide | proportional to your resilience |
| 03:03.31 | Nom- | no but seriously... there's a priest on our server with 350+ resilience... 2v1 (ret pally + rogue) we could not kill her |
| 03:03.57 | Nom- | admittedly, that was due to kick being resisted an abnormally large number of times |
| 03:03.58 | Cide | Nom-: l2p :) |
| 03:04.00 | Nom- | But still |
| 03:04.18 | Nom- | No crits = no burst damage = no death |
| 03:04.23 | Cide | don't need burst damage |
| 03:04.24 | Shirik | Cide: I see |
| 03:04.32 | Cidan | Do you now? |
| 03:04.38 | Nom- | Cide: Against a holy priest with 1500 +healing, you do :) |
| 03:04.40 | Shirik | but still it works out in your favor |
| 03:04.43 | Cide | burst damage is king in 5v5 pvp |
| 03:04.47 | Shirik | so you get a chance to heal randomly |
| 03:04.51 | Cide | Nom-: not 2v1 |
| 03:05.05 | Cide | when avoiding interrupts as a holy priest, you have HORRIBLE mana efficiency |
| 03:05.12 | Cide | you'd run out of mana in 1 min |
| 03:05.16 | Nom- | all i know is |
| 03:05.26 | Nom- | One arena game, we decided to kill the MS Warrior first |
| 03:05.29 | Nom- | Because the priest was too hard |
| 03:05.30 | Nom- | :P |
| 03:05.47 | Shirik | interrupts made me want to destroy something when doing my kara key quest |
| 03:05.55 | Cide | you'll have a hard time killing a priest 2v2 without a warrior |
| 03:05.57 | Shirik | those damn mobs kick way too much |
| 03:06.09 | Cide | I have no issues staying alive until my mana pool runs out (in 2v2) |
| 03:06.11 | cladhaire | this is a stupid question |
| 03:06.18 | cladhaire | but how do i get resilience gear |
| 03:06.21 | cladhaire | other than pvp :P |
| 03:06.24 | JoshBorke | no stupid questions, only stupid people |
| 03:06.26 | Cide | cladhaire: you can't |
| 03:06.26 | Nom- | pvp only cladhaire |
| 03:06.28 | Cide | period |
| 03:06.31 | JoshBorke | there's one in SSC! |
| 03:06.31 | cladhaire | yeah see that sucks |
| 03:06.37 | Cide | well, you can kill hydross/lurker/morogrim |
| 03:06.38 | Nom- | Grind honor, get the blues |
| 03:06.39 | cladhaire | we can't PVP on our server, other than arena/bg |
| 03:06.48 | cladhaire | so bg grinding is the best option i have |
| 03:06.49 | Nom- | Or just do arena and get the pieces slowly |
| 03:07.09 | Shirik | you can get spirit shards |
| 03:07.10 | cladhaire | when you're sub-1500 rating |
| 03:07.12 | Nom- | In fact, do that... milk the arena points before they put a rating cap on items |
| 03:07.14 | cladhaire | slowly takes on a whole new meaning. |
| 03:07.18 | Shirik | there's some resilience gear there |
| 03:07.22 | Shirik | not much, but some |
| 03:08.06 | Nom- | Retribution Paladins are so hard to gear for PvP compared to other classes :( |
| 03:08.12 | Nom- | I'm reduced to either: |
| 03:08.15 | cladhaire | Cide: so spriests suck in PVP now? is that the deal? |
| 03:08.16 | Cide | ret paladins don't get resilience! |
| 03:08.23 | Cide | cladhaire: nah, they're pretty good |
| 03:08.24 | Nom- | 1. Farm AB/AV/WSG/EotS (which is really boring) |
| 03:08.31 | Shirik | farming AV isn't bad |
| 03:08.36 | Shirik | it's endless killing spree :P |
| 03:08.36 | Nom- | 2. Grind arena, which i'm trying to do, but it's slow |
| 03:08.39 | Cide | but you need good pvp gear for it to work, cladhaire |
| 03:08.41 | cladhaire | even 5v5? |
| 03:08.45 | Cide | sure |
| 03:08.50 | cladhaire | thats what i'm trying to work on |
| 03:08.56 | Nom- | spriests don't suck in pvp |
| 03:08.56 | Cide | but you'll need gladiator gear |
| 03:09.03 | cladhaire | which is all arena? |
| 03:09.06 | Nom- | But they're squishy without good gear |
| 03:09.06 | Cide | yes |
| 03:09.13 | Cide | gladiator + veteran gear |
| 03:09.30 | cladhaire | which i can't get without sucking at arena week after week :P |
| 03:09.37 | Cide | veteran gear = bgs |
| 03:10.04 | cladhaire | i dont have the time to put in for bGS =/ |
| 03:10.15 | Cide | just /afk /sit! :P |
| 03:10.21 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:10.23 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 03:10.25 | cladhaire | until 2.2 |
| 03:10.26 | Nom- | Not going to be able to do that much longer |
| 03:10.27 | cladhaire | then no more =) |
| 03:10.37 | Nom- | Well, actually, you still could |
| 03:10.45 | Nom- | But you'd need to kill a wolf every now and then |
| 03:10.51 | Nom- | To kill the debuff |
| 03:10.59 | cladhaire | and then GMs watch me |
| 03:11.01 | cladhaire | dont' need that |
| 03:11.10 | Cairenn|afk | night guys - going to pick up my kiddo from D&D, then will probably be going straight to bed since I only got like 3 hrs sleep last night and tomorrow is going to be another long day of worrying |
| 03:11.22 | cladhaire | 1800 rating 5v5 get like 1000+ points a week =/ |
| 03:11.25 | Nom- | Why? As long as you're participating (even if in a useless way) |
| 03:11.25 | cladhaire | i get like.. 300 a week |
| 03:11.30 | Nom- | Not like they can do anything |
| 03:11.42 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
| 03:11.42 | Cide | cladhaire: you should be able to get like 400-500 with shitty gear |
| 03:11.47 | Cide | and a decent partner |
| 03:11.54 | Nom- | Do 5v5 for farming |
| 03:12.01 | cladhaire | i dont have a 5v5 team |
| 03:12.05 | Nom- | Find one :) |
| 03:12.07 | cladhaire | and my battlegroup has some insane pvpers |
| 03:12.12 | cladhaire | we're on the shittiest pvp server in the BG |
| 03:12.22 | Nom- | Slightly harder to organise and keep going, but as long as you can hover around 1500 rating, you can get a decent amount of points every week |
| 03:12.51 | cladhaire | is the halaa/shard gear worth getting for the +res? |
| 03:13.03 | cladhaire | i can get shard gear, can't get halaa, cause we have no horde on our server |
| 03:13.25 | Cide | cladhaire: sure |
| 03:13.30 | Cide | can only get it once though |
| 03:13.40 | Cide | i.e. the gem is unique |
| 03:13.43 | Cide | jewel* |
| 03:13.44 | cladhaire | i know that |
| 03:13.47 | cladhaire | you can re-socket to destroy it |
| 03:13.51 | Cide | aye |
| 03:13.56 | cladhaire | been there, done that |
| 03:13.59 | Cide | it's worth getting for one piece though |
| 03:14.17 | cladhaire | i'd need a helm to put it in |
| 03:14.18 | cladhaire | P |
| 03:14.19 | cladhaire | :P |
| 03:14.28 | Cide | put it in your veteran neck |
| 03:14.30 | Cide | that's what I did! |
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| 03:14.43 | Nom- | I wish I had the patience to grind AV |
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| 03:15.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 03:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | Ogrila rep is slow :[ |
| 03:15.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3000 more :/ |
| 03:17.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1500 a day is the max, correct |
| 03:17.03 | cladhaire | Cide: a neck you can socket? O.o |
| 03:17.09 | Cide | yes |
| 03:17.18 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=veteran%27s+pendant |
| 03:17.35 | cladhaire | jesus |
| 03:17.36 | cladhaire | 15k honor |
| 03:17.49 | Cide | that's just one piece |
| 03:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1450 |
| 03:17.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 03:18.14 | cladhaire | how much honor per BG win these days? |
| 03:18.22 | cladhaire | or is it still based on kill/objectives? |
| 03:19.02 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: approve my file |
| 03:19.14 | JoshBorke | please :-D |
| 03:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, still based on kills and objectives |
| 03:20.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | "win" is an objective though :o |
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| 03:23.03 | Nom- | cladhaire: I get about 500-600 per loss in AV |
| 03:23.14 | cladhaire | bah |
| 03:23.20 | cladhaire | thats lots of matches for one piece :P |
| 03:23.33 | Nom- | You can farm honor through AB/WSG faster |
| 03:23.36 | Nom- | If you get a premade going |
| 03:23.44 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 03:23.52 | cladhaire | i have no time for that |
| 03:24.05 | cladhaire | seems like i'm gonna do.. nothing |
| 03:24.16 | Nom- | lol i'm the same |
| 03:24.17 | cladhaire | and in a year, maybe i'll have half my arena 1 set |
| 03:24.34 | Nom- | between raiding 4 days a week, work and sleep, i don't have much time to farm |
| 03:24.42 | Nom- | so it's either farming honor or farming gold/rep |
| 03:24.45 | cladhaire | yeah i can't do that |
| 03:24.47 | cladhaire | no pve |
| 03:24.50 | cladhaire | no pvp apparently |
| 03:24.56 | cladhaire | kinda sucks |
| 03:25.12 | Nom- | Third kill on Hydross last night |
| 03:25.17 | Nom- | He's a real pain in the butt :( |
| 03:25.30 | Nom- | Took us ... 4 hours to kill him |
| 03:25.32 | Nom- | Roughly |
| 03:25.44 | Nom- | 12 or 13 attempts .. was painful |
| 03:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Ouch |
| 03:26.23 | Nom- | Normally we'd have a boss on farm by now |
| 03:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember one night when we had 12 attempts at Magtheridon |
| 03:26.30 | Cide | weird |
| 03:26.34 | Cide | we've never had issues with hydross |
| 03:26.38 | Nom- | It's wierd... Void Reaver we had on farm the next week |
| 03:26.47 | Cide | we killed him on our third attempt ever |
| 03:26.54 | Nom- | Magtheridon.. well we'll see how that goes on Sunday, but probably on farm |
| 03:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, which guild are you in again? ;P |
| 03:27.04 | Cide | garbage |
| 03:27.07 | Cide | basically a shit guild |
| 03:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Well compared to Jugg, of course |
| 03:27.21 | Cide | not on doomhammer |
| 03:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Awww |
| 03:27.33 | Nom- | I don't know why he's giving us so much trouble honestly |
| 03:27.40 | Shirik | aww Cide |
| 03:27.43 | Shirik | you can come with me :D |
| 03:27.47 | Nom- | We've got Gruul's Lair on Farm, Lurker Below on farm, Void Reaver on farm |
| 03:27.54 | Cide | you're on DH Shirik? |
| 03:28.04 | Shirik | you can transfer and come with me >< |
| 03:28.10 | Nom- | Hydross however... well we have a new tact to try next week anyway |
| 03:28.19 | Nom- | The same one we used on our last 2 attempts :) |
| 03:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Same for the most part... Mag and VR is on farm, but Hydross is painful |
| 03:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm waiting for the patch when they buff up VR to the 'proper' difficulty for TK |
| 03:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Imagine the whines |
| 03:28.46 | Nom- | Proper difficulty ? |
| 03:28.53 | Nom- | He's where he's meant to be |
| 03:29.05 | Nom- | You can't go in there with tanks in blues |
| 03:29.13 | Nom- | You gotta have at least some T4 equivilent gear |
| 03:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno about you, but Gruul --> TK sounds a bit off to me. |
| 03:29.18 | Cide | VR = gruul or so |
| 03:29.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i wish someone would do some awesome javascripty stuff with this: http://www.gurgleblaster.net/emmerald/Cat_Sustained_DPS/Neck.html |
| 03:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | In terms of supposed linear progression |
| 03:29.44 | Cide | incidentally, I just died to VR |
| 03:29.48 | Cide | just 30 seconds ago |
| 03:29.54 | Nom- | Why? |
| 03:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:30.00 | Cide | because I was typing here |
| 03:30.02 | Nom- | Gruul = T4 |
| 03:30.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | like being able to sort by vendor rewards, pvp, crafted, dungeons, heroic dungeons, etc |
| 03:30.04 | Nom- | TK = T5 |
| 03:30.06 | Thunder_Child | VR in TK is easier than many bosses |
| 03:30.08 | Nom- | It's next in line |
| 03:30.29 | Nom- | Most (many) guilds will work on The Eye and SSC at the same time |
| 03:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd disagree |
| 03:30.37 | Nom- | It's a natural progression from Gruul/Mag to SSC/Eye |
| 03:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Most (many) guilds will gank Gruul, then VR, then work on SSC |
| 03:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And never come back to TK until SSC is cleared |
| 03:30.55 | Cide | SSC = TK |
| 03:30.59 | Cide | really |
| 03:31.04 | Cide | al'ar is on par with hydross |
| 03:31.09 | Cide | VR is easier than both al'ar and hydross |
| 03:31.19 | Nom- | VR is about as easy as Lurker Below |
| 03:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | VR is stupidly easy, that's all I'm really trying to say |
| 03:31.22 | Nom- | Both very simple fights |
| 03:31.47 | Nom- | We constantly have that debate in our guild too, over which is easier.. Lurker or Void Reaver |
| 03:31.56 | Nom- | The hardest part about Void Reaver is the trash |
| 03:32.02 | Nom- | Same with Lurker |
| 03:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm the mage who typically sheeps the humanoid in VR's room |
| 03:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's... painful |
| 03:32.33 | Nom- | Yeah, they're nerfing that trash i beleive |
| 03:32.36 | Nom- | Saw Blades ftl |
| 03:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Definite ftl |
| 03:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Taking three because a banish was resisted and I was in the wrong spot = nothing the healers can do, given the direct damage and the DoT |
| 03:33.56 | Nom- | Yup |
| 03:34.07 | Nom- | We have _never_ cleared that trash without losing at least half the raid |
| 03:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | We're getting better |
| 03:34.27 | Nom- | I recall one time it was 2 holy paladins and 1 prot warrior |
| 03:34.32 | Nom- | They killed the last add |
| 03:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Last time we only lost maybe three people, and commonly it's clean |
| 03:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But there's still the random chance of multiple people dying |
| 03:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.lootables.com/ |
| 03:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | this url is interesting |
| 03:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Keylogger. |
| 03:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | lies |
| 03:35.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it loo tables? loot ables? lootables? loot tables? |
| 03:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Loot-ables |
| 03:35.39 | Shirik | loot ables |
| 03:35.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:35.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | lootables being loot-abullz |
| 03:35.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | like lunchables |
| 03:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I just want a copy of their database :( |
| 03:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd love to mess around with such a database :( |
| 03:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 03:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to get wastewalker shoulders |
| 03:40.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but no one runs heroic auchenai |
| 03:41.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's about the best i can get shoulder wise until tier 4, which i don't see myself getting anytime soon :/ |
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| 03:52.32 | Shirik | night all, want to get some sleep in before flight |
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| 03:57.45 | Nom- | woot |
| 03:57.47 | Nom- | pub for lucnh! |
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| 04:23.53 | Kaydeethree | crap... the mafiaa raid is tonight |
| 04:24.12 | Kaydeethree | if I randomly disappear this morning, say a prayer for my anime collection |
| 04:25.39 | Kirkburn | mmm-mmm-mmm, chocolate fudge brownie |
| 04:26.03 | Kirkburn | Kaydeethree, wait .... wtf? |
| 04:26.33 | Kaydeethree | several of my gbi friends have informed me that the riaa's making 17 raids tonight in my apartment complex |
| 04:26.49 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 04:26.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:27.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | gbi |
| 04:27.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | as in |
| 04:27.03 | Kirkburn | You're newly arrived though, no? |
| 04:27.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | georgia bureau of investigation? :O |
| 04:27.20 | Kirkburn | gbi being close to the name of another organisation? |
| 04:27.30 | Kaydeethree | Mr_Rabies, ya |
| 04:27.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait |
| 04:27.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the riaa can't make raids |
| 04:28.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | they just send subpeonas and stuff |
| 04:28.14 | Kaydeethree | not with what kind of bandwidth our complex is using right now |
| 04:28.17 | Kaydeethree | 16MB/s up |
| 04:28.44 | Kirkburn | Still didn't think it was within their juristiction |
| 04:29.00 | Kirkburn | RIAA by proxy? (totally making up ideas now) |
| 04:29.29 | Kaydeethree | it's not, but the riaa can poke local law enforcement and say "hey, big news for you guys, craploads of copyright violation in progres. go raid x y and z" |
| 04:29.42 | Kirkburn | As I thought |
| 04:29.50 | Kirkburn | Here's hoping |
| 04:29.57 | Kirkburn | But I thought you just moved there |
| 04:30.12 | Kaydeethree | the apartment complex basically opened up a month and a half ago |
| 04:30.18 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 04:30.24 | Kirkburn | That's fast response |
| 04:30.28 | Kaydeethree | no joke |
| 04:33.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereabouts in GA do you live Kaydeethree? :O |
| 04:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | like general location? near ATL, west of ATL, etc? |
| 04:41.23 | Wobin | In your apartment block, Mr_Rabies |
| 04:41.34 | Wobin | BTW, I hear there'll be a raid tonight =) |
| 04:41.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't live in an apartment block :O |
| 04:41.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i live in the middle of the boonies |
| 04:41.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | trees in two directions, pasture in two mroe |
| 04:41.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | more* |
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| 04:45.46 | sag_ich_nicht | IN MORE IMPORTANT NEWS, DnD 4.0 ANNOUNCED. |
| 04:46.27 | Kaydeethree | Mr_Rabies, statesboro, ga |
| 04:48.42 | GofG | sag_ich_nicht: Woah woah woah |
| 04:48.50 | GofG | I just finally memorized my 3.5 manual word for word :( |
| 04:49.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | you live damn well across the state from me |
| 04:52.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm northwest of ATL by about 50 miles |
| 04:53.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | about 250 miles off from you :O |
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| 04:53.17 | Kaydeethree | I lived in Marietta/Smyrna for a while, my parents are out in Paulding county somewhere |
| 04:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 04:53.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's where i am |
| 04:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | paulding |
| 04:53.47 | Kaydeethree | dallas? hiram? |
| 04:53.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | off of dallas in the middle of nowhere |
| 04:54.03 | Kaydeethree | same for my parents |
| 04:54.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | towards rockmart kinda |
| 04:55.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 04:56.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 04:56.06 | sag_ich_nicht | "The setting for the core books are campaign neutral. Forgotten Realms will be the first campaign setting to be updated (in August 2008). " HELL YEAH, FORGOTTEN REALMS! |
| 05:06.18 | Kirkburn | 3.5 is how many years old now? |
| 05:06.33 | Kirkburn | Also, what kind of changes? |
| 05:08.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | new level cap of 255 imo |
| 05:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft |
| 05:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Go 256 |
| 05:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm surprised people still play D&D |
| 05:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not NWN or something similarly customizable? |
| 05:10.22 | Cairenn|afk | as my daughter goes "Oh no! Now I've got to update all my books!" |
| 05:11.26 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 05:11.48 | Thunder_Child | *cough cough* "then will probably be going straight to bed since I only got like 3 hrs sleep last night and tomorrow is going to be another long day of worrying" |
| 05:12.10 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 05:12.13 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, well, I just walked back in the door and was checking the sites before heading off |
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| 06:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of my roommates denied the existence of anything after 2nd ed |
| 06:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | he had about 200 2nd ed books |
| 06:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it |
| 06:14.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | was pretty crazy |
| 06:14.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | a couple first ed books |
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| 08:02.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh jeez |
| 08:02.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 08:02.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 08:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | read the thread list |
| 08:03.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone forgot to escape some of the formatting characters apparently :[ |
| 08:03.41 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 08:03.46 | TC-Holding | uhhhh, i dont see antthing wrong with it |
| 08:04.05 | zenzelezz | I see someone pointed out that "worgen" spelled backwards could be controversial (and shouted conspiracy) |
| 08:04.15 | TC-Holding | allthough the one that says "COX Problems" might be interesting |
| 08:04.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thunder_Child |
| 08:04.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | notice that some of them have the text and the pages backwards |
| 08:05.03 | Thunder_Child | oh...yea...1 |
| 08:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that character is apparently some kind of formatting text for swapping everthing from right to left |
| 08:05.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they forgot to escape it, so it's even messing with thread list formatting |
| 08:05.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and timestamps in threads and stuff |
| 08:05.59 | Thunder_Child | heh "???????????Backwards! |
| 08:06.06 | Thunder_Child | interesting.... |
| 08:06.16 | Thunder_Child | i copied and pasted it...thats what i got |
| 08:06.30 | Thunder_Child | is there a way for mirc to ignore formating? |
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| 08:06.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | mirc doesn't work with unicode and stuff |
| 08:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's unicode or something |
| 08:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know |
| 08:07.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a lot of characters it doesn't like |
| 08:07.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965754174&sid=1 |
| 08:07.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | check the timestamp |
| 08:07.32 | Thunder_Child | t |
| 08:07.35 | Thunder_Child | hmm.. |
| 08:08.13 | Thunder_Child | wow, it even reverses the highlighting direction |
| 08:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 08:08.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | search the character on wikipedia |
| 08:09.11 | Thunder_Child | link it, i cant even find the damn char |
| 08:10.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that threat^ |
| 08:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | thread |
| 08:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i linked |
| 08:10.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | ???????????has it |
| 08:10.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa |
| 08:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn |
| 08:10.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 08:10.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | accidentally pasted it |
| 08:10.34 | Thunder_Child | see |
| 08:10.40 | Thunder_Child | thats the problem |
| 08:11.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think the protocol supports it |
| 08:11.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | or sommat |
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| 08:13.31 | zenzelezz | what protocol? |
| 08:13.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | irc |
| 08:14.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm going to watch a couple episodes of battlestar galactica and then go to bed |
| 08:14.01 | zenzelezz | I can't recall if they have a defined character set or not... some clients cheat and use one anyway |
| 08:14.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | gnight |
| 08:14.51 | Thunder_Child | lol Mr_Rabies2, i do see what it does to wiki |
| 08:15.05 | Thunder_Child | it's a starburst |
| 08:15.20 | Thunder_Child | foun it |
| 08:15.22 | Thunder_Child | found it |
| 08:15.27 | Thunder_Child | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0489/index.htm |
| 08:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm surprised someone hasn't written some type of addon "malware" of sorts for the data sharing ones that makes all the text backwards while it's there or something :P |
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| 08:31.26 | Nom- | three cheers for meetings |
| 08:31.59 | Nom- | 12:00 - 13:30 : Pub Lunch |
| 08:32.08 | Nom- | 13:30 - 14:30 meeting 1 |
| 08:32.16 | Nom- | 14:30 - 16:30 meeting 2 |
| 08:40.50 | Industrial | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml |
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| 11:08.13 | Bam__ | is any event fired when you activate a spell like Blizzard but have not yet selected the target area? |
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| 11:12.26 | bleetah | hah, someone's fake linking on PvP PTR... [Book of How to Be A Game Marstar], [Book of How To Get A Life] [Book of Blizzard Hates You] |
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| 11:14.00 | bleetah | [Cookie's Porno Pants]... rofl |
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| 11:22.19 | bleetah | [Sword of Ownage] |
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| 11:59.14 | Industrial | Anyone know if/how you can decide if a quest in the gossip window is completable? I'm automating this and seeing as the blizzard coded quest icon changes to yellow when it is completable, it must be possible |
| 11:59.18 | Industrial | but I cant find it |
| 12:00.02 | Industrial | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2136898/FrameXML/GossipFrame.lua |
| 12:00.08 | Industrial | I see no Completed icon or something |
| 12:00.21 | Industrial | maybe the one in GossipFrameOptionsUpdate(...) |
| 12:01.27 | JoshBorke | Industrial: unpack the mpq's and check the GossipIcon files looking for the one that represents a completed quest |
| 12:03.28 | Industrial | hmm |
| 12:03.30 | Industrial | oki |
| 12:03.30 | JoshBorke | or i can find it |
| 12:03.37 | JoshBorke | since i have some completed quests to turn in |
| 12:03.45 | Thunder_Child | doesnt wowwiki have a full listing of icons? |
| 12:03.55 | Industrial | already extracting :3 |
| 12:04.07 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons |
| 12:04.58 | JoshBorke | it's not an icon |
| 12:06.15 | JoshBorke | it's ActiveQuestIcon |
| 12:06.18 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 12:06.32 | bleetah | Industrial: my only suggestion would be that the Capping mod, for timing battleground events, has an option to auto-turnin the collectable quests in AV (armor scraps etc.) |
| 12:06.35 | JoshBorke | that doesn't seem right |
| 12:06.57 | bleetah | that's to say, that the Capping code may give some insight... dunno really |
| 12:07.16 | Industrial | bleetah: ill take a look |
| 12:07.31 | Industrial | im automating all questing :P it will accept and complete all quests |
| 12:07.41 | Industrial | it already does butyou have to click them |
| 12:07.51 | Industrial | (it has a hold-shift override ofc) |
| 12:10.15 | Industrial | JoshBorke: its probably being colored white for the grey icon |
| 12:11.24 | Industrial | Capping counts items in your bag when completing |
| 12:11.26 | Industrial | specific items |
| 12:12.59 | JoshBorke | Industrial: yea, but you'll have to find what colors it |
| 12:13.08 | zenzelezz | SetVertexColor I reckon |
| 12:13.08 | JoshBorke | i guess you could just check the color |
| 12:13.15 | Industrial | GossipTitleButton1.type == 'Available' |
| 12:13.17 | Industrial | ah-ha! |
| 12:14.02 | Industrial | ill go complete it and check it again :) |
| 12:14.31 | bleetah | personally, why the default UI don't auto-turnin the AV quests is beyond me... 'oh my, a battleground.. plenty of time to stand round and read the text and press the buttons' :/ |
| 12:15.44 | Industrial | stress :D |
| 12:16.02 | zenzelezz | it's so you'll build up anger which you in turn take out on the enemy |
| 12:16.27 | Industrial | hm no its Active when you can complete it |
| 12:16.39 | JoshBorke | it's available when you can't |
| 12:16.41 | JoshBorke | when it's new |
| 12:17.01 | zenzelezz | guessing Available = !, Active = ? |
| 12:17.16 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 12:17.30 | Industrial | GossipTitleButton1GossipIcon:GetVertexColor() -> 1, 1, 1, 1 |
| 12:17.36 | Industrial | when yellow |
| 12:17.52 | zenzelezz | wouldn't 1, 1, 1 be white? |
| 12:18.18 | Industrial | not if the texture is colored |
| 12:18.54 | zenzelezz | perhaps; but using vertex coloring on a non-greyscale picture seems tedious =D |
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| 12:20.24 | Industrial | ah |
| 12:20.27 | Industrial | grey is texture:SetDesaturated(false) |
| 12:20.35 | Industrial | uh, true |
| 12:20.44 | Industrial | no, false |
| 12:20.44 | Industrial | lol |
| 12:21.06 | Industrial | hm, it does seem to know when quests are completed |
| 12:23.53 | Industrial | seems to select all quests to get their status |
| 12:23.59 | Industrial | icky :( |
| 12:24.09 | Industrial | DO WANT API |
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| 13:18.42 | Industrial | woot |
| 13:18.44 | Industrial | got it working |
| 13:18.51 | mikma | wut wut |
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| 13:20.14 | bleetah | grats Industrial |
| 13:20.37 | Industrial | wonder if you can do it without the quest window open, ie with the last gossip data |
| 13:20.40 | Industrial | doubt it |
| 13:21.13 | mikma | lots of text from indie. is he coding something? :) |
| 13:21.38 | Industrial | mikma: im automating selecting quests/gossip and adding it to idQuestAutomation |
| 13:21.51 | Industrial | so now theres no more gossip window ever ;o |
| 13:22.07 | mikma | Industrial: well, gz. tekkub has an addon that does the same ^^ |
| 13:22.51 | Industrial | nuuh |
| 13:23.01 | Industrial | this does way more :P |
| 13:23.13 | Industrial | selects quest, completes them, accepts them, etc |
| 13:24.06 | mikma | well like the previous version zQuestAutomation |
| 13:24.45 | Kyahx | Industrial: L2GoogleCode -- giev betas! |
| 13:25.03 | Industrial | it didnt/doesnt select the quests ;o |
| 13:25.13 | Industrial | Kyahx: meh |
| 13:25.17 | Kyahx | :( |
| 13:25.30 | Industrial | fine. |
| 13:26.36 | Industrial | schwazing, http://code.google.com/p/wow-industrial/ |
| 13:29.25 | haste | Thrae: I've startd to document the rtorrent xmlrpc :p |
| 13:29.43 | Industrial | im filling it now |
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| 13:43.34 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 13:47.05 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 13:48.56 | Lunessa | Yarrr! |
| 13:49.03 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 13:50.05 | Lunessa | Don't "bah" me! |
| 13:50.11 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 13:50.12 | Lunessa | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 13:50.12 | purl | whacks Thunder_Child with the cluebat |
| 13:50.25 | Thunder_Child | meh |
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| 13:54.42 | bleetah | haste: does that mean what I think it means? |
| 13:54.42 | Thunder_Child | huh i have watched 10 hours straight of house |
| 13:54.49 | haste | I don't know what you think tho' :( |
| 13:55.09 | bleetah | nm, quick google would indicate I don't know either |
| 14:02.04 | Lunessa | That much "House" is probably hazardous to your mental health. |
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| 14:12.07 | deltron | IT'S NOT LUPUS! |
| 14:12.35 | Industrial | http://wow-industrial.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/idAutomate/ |
| 14:12.36 | Industrial | \o./ |
| 14:12.41 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 14:12.46 | TS|Skrom | it's always lupis |
| 14:13.41 | Thunder_Child | no, it's always cancer....48 shows and 47 of them are bacause of cancer |
| 14:14.21 | TS|Skrom | either there's been more then 48 shows or your numbers are wrong. I can think of a dozen episodes off the top of my head that weren't cancer |
| 14:14.58 | Thunder_Child | season 1&2 |
| 14:15.28 | Thunder_Child | it's an exageration i know, but more than 50% of them *are* because of cancer |
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| 14:20.01 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, you know, if your going to stay, staying longer than 11 sec is nice |
| 14:20.35 | TS|Skrom | he can't hear you, he's too busy leaving |
| 14:20.43 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 14:20.57 | Cidan | lies |
| 14:20.58 | Cidan | :D |
| 14:21.10 | TS|Skrom | true lies |
| 14:21.18 | TS|Skrom | man that was a horrid movie |
| 14:21.43 | [dRaCo] | it's with arnie, it's awesome. |
| 14:21.52 | Thunder_Child | i dunno i enjoyed the movie |
| 14:22.16 | Cidan | I did too |
| 14:22.18 | Cidan | I thought it rocked. |
| 14:22.27 | [dRaCo] | 'nough kidding... found it was worth watching. funny movie. |
| 14:22.36 | Thunder_Child | it was a really good cross between action and comedy |
| 14:25.02 | Lunessa | And Jamie Lee Curtis.... |
| 14:27.23 | Thunder_Child | cant say i care for her |
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| 14:27.41 | Thunder_Child | as a woman that is...as an actor she is fine |
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| 14:28.33 | Lunessa | She's very entertaining. She was BRILLIANT in "A Fish Called Wanda." |
| 14:29.09 | Industrial | ur moms called wanda |
| 14:29.11 | Industrial | LOLOLOL |
| 14:29.23 | Industrial | so anyway |
| 14:29.26 | Industrial | bbl food |
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| 14:59.31 | GofG | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1187362074888.jpg <--- win. |
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| 14:59.44 | GofG | (not porn or keylogger) |
| 14:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yes I am! |
| 15:00.00 | GofG | :( |
| 15:00.03 | zenzelezz | you're in porn? O_o |
| 15:00.04 | GofG | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1187362074888.jpg <--- win. |
| 15:00.13 | GofG | (not porn or keylogger) |
| 15:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. 4chan. *nod* |
| 15:00.18 | GofG | (refering to that picture, not to lopeppeppy) |
| 15:00.31 | GofG | Yes, with 4chan, I had to be explicitely clear that it wasn't porn, because the assumption is that it is |
| 15:00.34 | GofG | But that is not porn |
| 15:00.42 | GofG | It is a rather humorous Garfield comic. |
| 15:01.25 | Cidan | GofG, rules 1 and 2. |
| 15:01.33 | zenzelezz | I'm more interested in hearing how Lopeppeppy claims to be porn |
| 15:01.37 | GofG | :( Enjoy my b&? |
| 15:01.51 | GofG | Lop mentioned it first |
| 15:01.54 | Cidan | This is why we can't have nice things. |
| 15:02.05 | GofG | Wait, Cidan |
| 15:02.18 | GofG | Eh, nvm |
| 15:02.53 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry if I participated in something un-permitted. I R confused, but sorry anyhow. |
| 15:03.17 | Thunder_Child | wow....welcome to the last 5 min of the most wtf i have seen in this channel in a while |
| 15:03.45 | GofG | Omg furry, enjoy ur b& thunderchild. |
| 15:04.29 | GofG | Lop, no, you didn't. You unknowingly broke Rule #1 and #2, but you're not a /b/tard so it doesn't really matter. |
| 15:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | I'm having a nice time coding with my cat. She understands the use of the mouse in computing, even if she's a weeeeee bit enthusiastic about it. |
| 15:05.36 | GofG | Rule 34 on your cat and your computer mouse. /b/ will deliver. |
| 15:06.16 | Cidan | Sweet god GofG |
| 15:06.19 | Cidan | Quit it |
| 15:06.25 | GofG | K, stopping :( |
| 15:06.42 | zenzelezz | my cat thinks my keyboard is meant to support her when she's lying in front of me |
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| 15:06.53 | Cidan | I wish I had a cat again, :( |
| 15:07.02 | GofG | I wish I had a cat :( |
| 15:07.04 | GofG | They're adorable |
| 15:07.06 | GofG | My GF wants a cat real bad, but she's allergic |
| 15:07.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm allergic too, GofG. I just have to take my medicine and wash my hands a lot. |
| 15:07.43 | Cidan | I just don't have time to take care of one |
| 15:08.06 | GofG | She threw together a powerpoint presentation for why she should be able to get a cat, and did it for her parents |
| 15:08.08 | GofG | They were not amused :( |
| 15:08.55 | Thunder_Child | i would be |
| 15:09.57 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/05/16/pawsense_kitty_keyboard_kover.html |
| 15:10.36 | bleetah | pussy want his fish? pussy not eat his fish, pussy get thin and waste away |
| 15:10.45 | bleetah | or so I'm told |
| 15:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yes! Love that series. |
| 15:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | Careful with the toothpicks. |
| 15:10.58 | bleetah | or so I think I'm told |
| 15:11.14 | bleetah | when the noises come out of the speakers, do they make sounds in your head too? |
| 15:11.29 | zenzelezz | TC: lol |
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| 15:22.45 | cogwheel | I'm writing a section on how taint spreads and am now covering the situation where you taint one variable, some built-in code accesses it tainting that execution path, then that now-tainted built-in code modifies some other value thereby tainting it... Can anyone think of a simple situation where this would occur? (preferably setting a variable as opposed to hooking a function) |
| 15:24.14 | Thunder_Child | shame on you cogwheel |
| 15:25.15 | Kyahx | cogwheel: font objects -- didn't clearfont have some issues post-tbc with tainting? |
| 15:25.26 | Punkie` | maybe tainting the RAID_CLASS_COLORS can taint the raid frame? |
| 15:25.39 | cogwheel | Kyahx: never used clearfont... |
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| 15:25.59 | cogwheel | Punkie`: i'll look into it... my laptop chokes pretty hard on WoW these days :( |
| 15:26.16 | Kyahx | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ClearFont2/Design.lua -- search for taint |
| 15:26.17 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel fails |
| 15:26.40 | Punkie` | I remember people turning the shaman color back to the original light blue caused some raid frame problems |
| 15:27.33 | cogwheel | now, FYI, those all could be symptoms of the first step of the problem I'm trying to address ;) (taint is a harsh mistress) |
| 15:27.51 | Kyahx | I hate the taint |
| 15:28.13 | cogwheel | I had someone ask me once how I would describe taint to a new addon author... |
| 15:28.26 | cogwheel | I should've said with five to six pages of text and flowcharts |
| 15:30.06 | foxlit | Changing variables resulting in taint shouldn't really happen |
| 15:30.19 | Kyahx | it does occasionally however =/ |
| 15:30.22 | cogwheel | foxlit: but it does |
| 15:30.30 | Kyahx | Allthou I believe blizz was working to limit that as much as possible |
| 15:30.30 | foxlit | Flaws in Blizzard's design |
| 15:30.36 | Kyahx | since in theory, it shouldn't, and they know that |
| 15:30.39 | cogwheel | exactly |
| 15:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | With a picture of a paper towel having one drop of food coloring dropped on it. You can see how it spreads from that point of impact. And then you fold the paper towel up, and watch how the taint spreads to anything that touches it.... |
| 15:30.54 | cogwheel | the problem is that most of the built-in code hasn't been retrofitted to use secure templates |
| 15:31.18 | Kyahx | well maybe they should re-write the entire thing :P |
| 15:31.34 | cogwheel | Heh... they've got their hands quite full as it is :P |
| 15:31.38 | foxlit | In lolcoded ace |
| 15:31.40 | Kyahx | it sure as hell could use it... (Im looking at you, FloatingChatFrame) |
| 15:32.04 | cogwheel | didn't even have the voice chat UI finished until what, 4 weeks of 2.2 ptr? |
| 15:32.17 | Kyahx | Have the community re-write it :P |
| 15:32.18 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 15:32.25 | cogwheel | NOOOOOOO |
| 15:32.32 | Kyahx | let me rephrase that... |
| 15:32.39 | Kyahx | Have trusted members of the community re-write it |
| 15:32.52 | cogwheel | I can picture it now... 3/4 would be Ace, 1/8 would be Dongle, and the rest would be hand-coded :P |
| 15:33.01 | Kyahx | heh |
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| 15:35.35 | Jumpee | Anybody know if the name returned by GetRaidRosterInfo() while in a battleground will have the servername included if a player is from another server? |
| 15:36.48 | foxlit | Had you asked that 15s earlier, I could've checked :) |
| 15:36.59 | Jumpee | Sorry. heh |
| 15:38.01 | Jumpee | I assume it does but I never do battlegrounds myself so I can't test it |
| 15:41.25 | cogwheel | Is there a concise list anywhere of protected frame methods that are disabled during combat for addons? |
| 15:41.39 | foxlit | show hide enable disable |
| 15:41.46 | foxlit | enablemouse? |
| 15:41.47 | cogwheel | setpoint |
| 15:41.49 | cogwheel | enablemouse |
| 15:41.57 | cogwheel | setlevel (or whatever) |
| 15:41.58 | foxlit | setparent |
| 15:42.11 | Jumpee | SetScale? |
| 15:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | My raid leaders are getting all "number crunchy" on me, and it's really peeving me. Anyone have any feedback on http://www.lossendil.com/wws/ ? |
| 15:42.23 | cogwheel | see what I mean now? :P |
| 15:42.23 | foxlit | Setscale. |
| 15:43.10 | foxlit | Jumpee: Name-Server |
| 15:43.19 | Jumpee | thanks |
| 15:43.44 | Jumpee | that's why my mod doesn't work in Battlegrounds, as I suspected |
| 15:43.44 | foxlit | if cross-server. |
| 15:43.48 | foxlit | Name if not. |
| 15:44.01 | cogwheel | guess i'll just manually parse the method page on wowwiki |
| 15:45.04 | Kyahx | I was under the impression that the only thing you *could* do was SetAlpha |
| 15:45.29 | Jumpee | I know SetAlpha works in combat |
| 15:46.05 | Jumpee | Strange SetAlpha works but SetScale doesn't |
| 15:46.20 | foxlit | SetScale would allow you to essentially reposition frames |
| 15:46.26 | foxlit | SetAlpha would not affect the hitbox |
| 15:46.39 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I've never used it, but I don't think crunching numbers is inherrently bad. :P |
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| 15:50.52 | Cidan | bleh |
| 15:50.55 | Cidan | so I don't like geeklog |
| 15:51.05 | Cidan | Was going to use it, but eh. |
| 15:53.52 | Cidan | and I want to use Drupal, but their site is offline, lol? |
| 15:54.15 | Cidan | any other ideas for CMS websites? |
| 15:54.18 | cogwheel | Heh... I'm looking through this list of widget methods and pondering a bunch of possible exploits >< |
| 15:54.19 | Cidan | er, software |
| 15:55.04 | Punkie` | wordpress? :p |
| 15:55.09 | Punkie` | phpnuke! |
| 15:55.16 | Punkie` | oh god that was awful |
| 15:55.17 | Cidan | no, and no. :P |
| 15:55.23 | Punkie` | is phpnuke still around? |
| 15:55.28 | Cidan | Joomla is bloated, don't want that... |
| 15:55.58 | Lunessa | I'm actually looking for another CMS - HATE dotnetnuke - HATE |
| 15:56.58 | Cidan | drupal is really nice actually |
| 15:57.05 | Cidan | just looking around though |
| 15:57.10 | Cidan | looks like I'll be going back to drupal |
| 15:57.41 | Cidan | http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/ |
| 15:57.43 | Cidan | was really nice |
| 15:57.49 | Cidan | but it's never updated |
| 15:58.05 | Punkie` | looks like crap |
| 15:58.11 | Industrial | ^ |
| 15:58.15 | Cidan | it is now, :P |
| 15:58.17 | Industrial | was just about to say that |
| 15:58.44 | Cidan | you can actually configure the hell out of it |
| 15:59.18 | Industrial | djangoproject.org |
| 16:01.09 | Punkie` | Cidan: http://sourceforge.net/projects/drupal/ |
| 16:01.50 | Cidan | lol@no released files |
| 16:02.04 | Kaydeethree | eesh |
| 16:02.16 | Punkie` | heh |
| 16:02.18 | Punkie` | i just googled |
| 16:02.20 | Kaydeethree | I'm surprised they didn't try to make examples of people this morning, the raids happened and they were quiet about it |
| 16:02.21 | Punkie` | oh well :P |
| 16:03.07 | Cidan | ? |
| 16:03.53 | Kaydeethree | the GBI (read: RIAA) made copyright raids around 3 am from what I've been hearing in my apartment complex |
| 16:04.22 | foxlit | MAFIAA! |
| 16:04.32 | Kaydeethree | I was half-expecting crucified bodies strung up outside or something to that effect |
| 16:04.36 | foxlit | http://www.mafiaa.org/ |
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| 16:04.47 | Cidan | GBI? |
| 16:04.48 | Industrial | lulz http://digg.com/health/Man_With_Fake_Heart_Claims_He_s_Lost_the_Ability_to_Feel_Emotions_2 |
| 16:04.57 | Kaydeethree | georgia bureau of investigation |
| 16:05.03 | foxlit | Is he suing? |
| 16:06.01 | Cidan | Hmm |
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| 16:07.06 | foxlit | A forum I visit has a thread about WoW |
| 16:07.38 | foxlit | It's mostly composed of posts like "I have a level 24 hunter on Vol'jin" |
| 16:08.26 | foxlit | Apparently "casual" players exist. |
| 16:09.48 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 16:10.02 | Cidan | I see nothing of any GBI raid on any site, hmm. |
| 16:10.18 | Lunessa | heh, casual is so rife with levels of nuance and meaning |
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| 16:11.50 | foxlit | "wf, those people bought the expansion to play as a final fantasy reject race and will probably never see outland" |
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| 16:13.24 | Cidan | lulz@final fantasy reject race |
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| 16:13.59 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: inaccurate logs? |
| 16:14.23 | zenzelezz | Your Fireball hits Some Guy for approximately 50 damage. |
| 16:14.59 | Lopeppeppy | As I understand from many past conversations, things like pets and poisons and DoT's and HoTs aren't always accurately reported, or at least ya can't tell whose is whose is whose sometimes. |
| 16:15.36 | MoonWolf | the reporting as such isn't bugged |
| 16:15.37 | zenzelezz | I don't know for sure, but I thought the logs were accurate for the player and his pet at least |
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| 16:15.58 | zenzelezz | as in the local player, not his mates |
| 16:15.59 | MoonWolf | however the mechanic behind certain things fuck it up. |
| 16:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | Are they accurate when I see them, though? |
| 16:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ding-ding, MoonWolf. |
| 16:16.15 | zenzelezz | I would think so, they should be fed to you by the server |
| 16:16.38 | foxlit | Logs are weird stuff |
| 16:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Then why are damage meters never accurate on these sorts of things? I had understood it to be a flaw in the underlying combat log, not the meter addon. Is that not correct? |
| 16:16.56 | zenzelezz | accurate how? |
| 16:17.00 | foxlit | I mean, combat log does not always reflect reality, at least as far as time is concerned |
| 16:17.02 | zenzelezz | when synched or local? |
| 16:17.52 | foxlit | People who are dead can still kill you, according to the combat log :P |
| 16:17.52 | zenzelezz | that's desynch |
| 16:18.01 | zenzelezz | his action may be sent before the server processes yours |
| 16:18.23 | foxlit | So? |
| 16:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. To be more specific, let me post the website again.... |
| 16:18.38 | zenzelezz | so I wouldn't call it inaccurate, just a side-effect of client/server environments |
| 16:18.48 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/ |
| 16:19.03 | foxlit | Combat log can say heals landed, then target dies from insignificant damamge |
| 16:19.10 | zenzelezz | the only time I'd expect the log to be inaccurate is for other people's damage and such things, your client ought to have the correct info about the playuer |
| 16:19.11 | Lopeppeppy | My argument with my raid group is that these reports are nice, but are not the end-all-be-all of analysis, due to the way that combt logs parse and record. |
| 16:19.12 | zenzelezz | *player |
| 16:19.36 | zenzelezz | the order in which you receive the notifications isn't guaranteed to be the same as they happen I think |
| 16:19.50 | foxlit | So either I can heal someone who's dead |
| 16:19.58 | foxlit | Or they can be killed after my heal lands |
| 16:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | And that becomes "overheal" on someone's log, or "underheal" on someone elses. |
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| 16:20.52 | zenzelezz | I agree that reading purely from logs is a bad way to analyze, especially if you read step by step, but I don't think they're inaccurate |
| 16:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | They're not inaccurate, per se, but they are a flawed tool. Particularly when you mush them together for a whole-raid report, I should think. |
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| 16:22.37 | zenzelezz | the way I'd do it (and have been considering) is having a tool that combines a set of logs, each registering only events concerning the local player, that way I imagine it would be closer to correct |
| 16:22.53 | zenzelezz | but it's an assumption, nothing more |
| 16:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I knew if that was how this site crunches numbers. *sigh* I forsee our raid leaders using this tool to hand out punishments and boot people from the group, even though the information might not be accurate... It's driving me spare to think our group is going down that authoritarian road. |
| 16:23.48 | zenzelezz | it is not, as far as I know |
| 16:24.01 | zenzelezz | my guildies throw those reports at me and I sure as hell haven't uploaded any info |
| 16:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | Which is why I have a problem with it... it's accurate for what I report about me, but if it lets me report about everyone else.... *sigh* |
| 16:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | I have always despised damage meters as a raid-running tool. For personal use, they rock.... but not for raid group management, in many cases. |
| 16:25.00 | Valaron|Work | Dmg meters are e-peen extenders. |
| 16:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | And our new co leader has been waving his e-peen EVERYWHERE in the last 3 weeks. |
| 16:25.34 | zenzelezz | damage meters are good for one thing only in raids, seeing if you're going too slow... and you might as well use a stopwatch and UnitHealth() for that |
| 16:25.39 | Valaron|Work | That's a sight to behold. |
| 16:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Take a hard core raider and put him into a casual group.... stir and shake and screw up 2 years of teamwork. |
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| 16:27.10 | Cidan | bleh, website almost up. Sucks, I wanted to code -- not setup a website. :/ |
| 16:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | You're almost done, Cidan. Patience, grasshopper! |
| 16:29.42 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I agree. I'd point you at a post made by a recent addition to our guild that was a "hard core raider" pre-TBC who basically told someone their entire concept of tanks was shite because they didn't do it his way. |
| 16:29.57 | Lunessa | It's an attitude. "I've done everything, I'm god, you casuals SUCK." |
| 16:32.06 | Lunessa | I deal with this sort of thing all the time. You just have to keep pushing the message - "this is a game, it's about fun. We'll do things our way, which is working for us. " |
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| 16:34.23 | Fumler | can anyone tell me /script for chat justify chatwindow 2 to right instead of left? |
| 16:34.29 | Fumler | my justify module in prat is gone :x |
| 16:37.32 | foxlit | ~slashdot |
| 16:38.19 | Lunessa | Fumler Are you using SimpleCombatLog? |
| 16:38.34 | Fumler | Lunessa no |
| 16:38.37 | foxlit | ChatFrame2:SetJustifyH("RIGHT"); |
| 16:38.38 | foxlit | ? |
| 16:38.39 | Fumler | Standard chat window :) |
| 16:38.42 | Fumler | thanks |
| 16:38.57 | Fumler | <3 foxlit |
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| 16:47.45 | Lopeppeppy | OMG I need chocolate. |
| 16:48.04 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 16:48.05 | purl | turns Lopeppeppy into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | *blink blink* |
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| 16:48.56 | Thunder_Child | i'm one of the worlds 2% of the population that doesnt like chocolate |
| 16:49.35 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, darlin'. I'll eat your share and now I don't have to feel guilty about it! |
| 16:50.34 | Thunder_Child | figures....because the other 98% of the pop treat it like catnip for humans |
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| 16:53.25 | Kaydeethree | mmm, chocolate |
| 16:54.28 | Fumler | I only like chocolate cake, but not chocolate bars and stuff :b |
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| 17:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | It's not human-catnip? |
| 17:02.10 | Lunessa | Give me the chocolate and no one gets hurt. |
| 17:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, no, help! |
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| 17:04.05 | Lunessa | I believe you have my ... chocolate. |
| 17:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 17:04.18 | Lopeppeppy | Only my own. |
| 17:04.44 | Lunessa | Don't make me get all kung-fu up in here. |
| 17:04.59 | Thunder_Child | the least you 2 could do is argue about something meaningful |
| 17:05.03 | Lopeppeppy | Go ahead. I'll watch. I have plenty of Mint Lindt to see me through. |
| 17:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | What might you prefer, Thunder_Child? I've already debated combat log/damage meter accuracies, that's my heavy topic of the day! |
| 17:05.23 | Lunessa | Define meaningful? |
| 17:05.25 | Kaydeethree | meaningful, like? chocolate: great food or greatest food? |
| 17:05.48 | Thunder_Child | meaningful.....excluding chocolate |
| 17:05.58 | Kaydeethree | I'll take that as greatest food, then |
| 17:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. Everyone thinks their own topic is the most meaningful, and derides those of others' as being unimportant. It's a fact of chat-room life. |
| 17:07.21 | Lunessa | So, which is better? An AddOn with links to redheads, blonds, or brunettes? |
| 17:08.12 | zenzelezz | brunettes, duh' |
| 17:08.37 | Cidan | redheads |
| 17:08.43 | Cidan | by far and large. |
| 17:08.58 | Lunessa | The rarest gems ar emost valued by far. |
| 17:09.51 | zenzelezz | no, that is just not the case |
| 17:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | And if not, we'll kick arse until we ARE most valued. |
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| 17:30.23 | Cidan | okay, so I need to make a new logo for Conspiracy. Ideas? |
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| 17:30.35 | deltron | tinfoil hat |
| 17:30.47 | Cidan | deltron, we have a winner. |
| 17:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. |
| 17:32.09 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:32.20 | cladhaire | awesome ;-) |
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| 17:48.19 | Lunessa | fooding. Back later |
| 17:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm about at that point too, Lunessa. Race ya. |
| 17:52.34 | Kaydeethree | and the 2 PM advisory's up |
| 17:52.38 | Kaydeethree | 125mph, woo cat 3 |
| 17:56.50 | TS|Skrom | www.skrom.com fun with javascript and styles! |
| 17:56.56 | Valaron|Work | Turning off file, web, and mail servers is no fun. |
| 17:57.28 | Kaydeethree | "/sbin/service httpd stop", "/sbin/service postfix stop", "/sbin/service smb stop"? |
| 17:57.46 | Valaron|Work | :P |
| 17:57.57 | Valaron|Work | I meant production servers. |
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| 18:00.41 | Valaron|Work | w |
| 18:00.43 | Valaron|Work | Oops |
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| 18:14.47 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/public_files/garland_logo.png |
| 18:14.47 | Cidan | :D |
| 18:15.04 | zenzelezz | it's a whole UI now? |
| 18:15.35 | Cidan | It will be more than just raid frames, yes. |
| 18:17.51 | AnduinLothar | anyone know what event your party member's pet dmg is on? |
| 18:17.57 | AnduinLothar | I know your pet's is CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_PET_HITS |
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| 18:37.53 | Lunessa | IO have returned. |
| 18:38.11 | zenzelezz | IO can be useful |
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| 18:39.18 | Kaso | IO is always a bit confused |
| 18:39.26 | Kaso | It can never decide if it's coming in or going out |
| 18:39.32 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.39 | zenzelezz | ew |
| 18:39.49 | zenzelezz | you dirty, dirty person |
| 18:47.50 | Lunessa | C is not a crime. |
| 18:48.55 | zenzelezz | it's the header I object to |
| 18:49.00 | zenzelezz | and you neglected <> or "" |
| 18:49.34 | buu | Welcome to C |
| 18:50.05 | zenzelezz | I don't use C, only C++ |
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| 18:53.37 | Shirik | omfg |
| 18:53.52 | Shirik | seriously, if everyone had to do what I just did to get internet, America wouldn't have an obesity problem |
| 18:55.14 | zenzelezz | who needs food anyway |
| 18:55.20 | Kaydeethree | run 3 miles uphill both ways? |
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| 18:55.53 | zenzelezz | looks like he didn't do a very good job |
| 18:56.04 | Shirik|Ghost | well, what I'd like to call internet at least >.> |
| 18:56.30 | zenzelezz | so what did you do? |
| 18:56.37 | Lunessa | Sounds like one of the truly addicted then. |
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| 19:00.38 | Shirik|Ghost | it would be really cool if I get to stay connected this time |
| 19:01.24 | Shirik | And to think I just spent the last 2 hours walking to and from the mall to get this >.> |
| 19:01.56 | Cidan | Sometimes I think Shirik is cheating on me |
| 19:01.58 | Cidan | he comes and goes |
| 19:02.02 | Cidan | we never talk anymore |
| 19:02.09 | Cidan | he's out on these "walks" |
| 19:02.11 | Shirik | it's your fault |
| 19:02.18 | Shirik | you spend all your time with Nalia |
| 19:02.20 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.38 | Cidan | go login, www.conspiracy-ui.com/user |
| 19:03.05 | Shirik | It would be really cool if I could |
| 19:03.13 | Shirik | but when I try to make an account it's all like "rofl noes gtfo" |
| 19:03.20 | Cidan | I has you a new login |
| 19:03.22 | Cidan | check MSN |
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| 19:03.48 | art3mis | xkcd has been pretty good the last fwe ones |
| 19:03.50 | art3mis | few |
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| 19:04.38 | Shirik|Ghost | and people seriously wonder why I hate brighthouse |
| 19:06.58 | Shirik|Ghost | anyone whom has ever had brighthouse before knows what I'm talking about |
| 19:07.31 | art3mis | i had a bright house but that was mainly because it faced south |
| 19:07.37 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:08.10 | art3mis | so finished god of war 2 on easy mode last night |
| 19:08.36 | art3mis | the final cut scene button pressing drove me mad i think though |
| 19:09.09 | art3mis | but the mini game challenges are fun |
| 19:09.28 | deltron | that's one thing I don't like about god of war |
| 19:09.34 | deltron | the button mashing stuff is kinda lame |
| 19:09.59 | Industrial | 28 AP or 9agi 9spi |
| 19:10.00 | Industrial | im hunter |
| 19:10.05 | art3mis | well it was kind of dragon's lair ish |
| 19:10.08 | Industrial | (level 25) |
| 19:10.38 | art3mis | but the ammount of time to do it was a tad irritating specially when you're not expecting it and you need to go through the whole talking part each time |
| 19:11.08 | art3mis | it's okay industrial we won't think THAT much less of you ;P |
| 19:11.18 | Industrial | choose |
| 19:11.25 | Industrial | wich one do i take |
| 19:11.35 | Lunessa | 28 AP |
| 19:11.36 | Industrial | 28ap or 9agi 9spi ? |
| 19:11.36 | Industrial | k |
| 19:11.40 | art3mis | i pick grab the ogres club and run |
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| 19:14.23 | Lunessa | You're in a mazy of twisty passages, all alike. It's dark. You might get eaten by a grue. |
| 19:15.18 | Kaydeethree | if anyone's got any PTR bugs they want to get off their chest, tigerclaw's started a thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965754595&sid=1 |
| 19:16.26 | cogwheel | moo |
| 19:16.36 | cogwheel | the wifi connection here isn't exactly reliable on the 7th floor |
| 19:16.43 | Shirik | ~moo cogwheel |
| 19:16.44 | purl | ACTION moos at cogwheel |
| 19:16.52 | Shirik | cogwheel, you have no right to complain |
| 19:17.05 | cogwheel | Sure i do... you just have more of a reason to :P |
| 19:17.27 | Shirik | I just spent 3 hours walking to and from the mall to pick up a mostly-defective cable modem, then talk with the worst customer support (I already knew they were, but I have no other choice) |
| 19:17.29 | Shirik | but on that note |
| 19:17.35 | Shirik | If everyone had to walk to get a cable modem |
| 19:17.42 | Shirik | America would be a much less obese place |
| 19:17.42 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 19:17.59 | Lunessa | ZOMG - I had to walk 200' to get a cheeseburger and fries. |
| 19:18.10 | Shirik | esp. in this weather: http://www.accuweather.com/us/fl/daytona-beach/32114/city-weather-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&u=1&traveler=0 |
| 19:18.11 | cogwheel | I had to walk to the elevator to go downstairs for breakfast this morning... |
| 19:18.17 | Shirik | (at noon, not 3) |
| 19:18.36 | Kaso | i hope you got extra bacon with that, to make up for those calories you burnt walking there! |
| 19:18.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:19.08 | cogwheel | Kaso: how'd you know? |
| 19:19.10 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:19.24 | cogwheel | srsly though... free made-to-order omelets = <3 |
| 19:20.22 | zenzelezz | my daily workout is mostly limited to my hands |
| 19:20.25 | zenzelezz | wait, scratch that |
| 19:20.37 | Lunessa | cogwheel: (quoting my favorite Shattered Halls boss) I ... hate ... you. |
| 19:20.48 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: ewwwww |
| 19:20.56 | Kaso | i figured out i walk up nearly 2000 steps a week at work |
| 19:21.02 | Kaso | third floor ftw! |
| 19:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I used to walk 5000+ a day at work. I do miss that job. |
| 19:21.43 | Shirik | Lunessa: Best. boss. ever. |
| 19:21.53 | Shirik | mmm no |
| 19:21.59 | Shirik | vael was still pretty awesome |
| 19:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Funny to watch him eat my warlock for lunch. |
| 19:22.03 | Shirik | but best 5-man boss |
| 19:22.05 | Lunessa | For a while, I lived in San Francisco, and my office was on the third floor of a 'historical landmark' building. Which meant the elevator was often out of order due to needing special parts. I got a LOT of exercise working there. |
| 19:22.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@12.145.32.130) |
| 19:22.34 | Lunessa | I love that guy, "Hey what are you doing?!" "Me got bored." |
| 19:22.36 | Shirik | wb cogwheel |
| 19:22.41 | Industrial | I currently work in storage/goodsflow |
| 19:22.46 | Industrial | i should count my steps |
| 19:22.49 | cogwheel | :( |
| 19:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | I worked in a 2 story retail bookstore. Sooooo much walking, so little time. :) |
| 19:23.53 | Shirik | I worked in a tiny cubicle |
| 19:23.56 | Lunessa | I used to wear a pin that said, "So many books. So little time. " |
| 19:24.07 | Shirik | I breathed in lead on a periodic basis, and sat in my chair all day |
| 19:24.53 | Lunessa | If you pushed the right colored button did you get a food pellet? |
| 19:25.11 | Shirik | no :( the food pellets were for the higher-ups |
| 19:25.12 | cogwheel | So, now that more people are on, i shall pose my question again... I need to find a working example of a taint situation that has the following characteristics: Addon code sets some global variable (preferably not a function hook). Secure code accesses said variable and the execution path becomes tainted. This now-tainted execution path then writes a new value to some other... |
| 19:25.14 | cogwheel | ...built-in variable. This new variable now causes some other system to become noticeably tainted. |
| 19:25.45 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 19:26.50 | Industrial | Question: I cant get mail back from a GM right? i sent it to the wrong char |
| 19:27.06 | Industrial | i know 100% sure it will not be opened or returned |
| 19:27.11 | Industrial | (closed account) |
| 19:27.28 | Lunessa | Industrial: It'll be returned automatically in 29 days |
| 19:27.33 | Industrial | bah |
| 19:27.36 | Industrial | i need it now |
| 19:27.47 | Industrial | in 29 days ill eb sporting my L70 *cough* |
| 19:27.53 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Just write anything that uses CastSpellByName |
| 19:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | You could petition, they might help you. But they might not be able to, either. |
| 19:28.08 | Shirik | there was an issue a while ago that required them to help you |
| 19:28.16 | Industrial | ill try anyway |
| 19:28.17 | Shirik | I'm sure they can, but whether or not they want to might be another issue |
| 19:28.58 | Lunessa | Wait, not a good example... |
| 19:29.03 | cogwheel | Lunessa: simply using a protected function doesn't taint it |
| 19:29.43 | cogwheel | and the execution path would end as soon as it attempts to run the function so it wouldn't have a chance to spread taint any further |
| 19:29.49 | Lunessa | Any thing that hooks dropdown menus off the player frame. |
| 19:30.12 | Lunessa | PlayerMenu did this before it was discontinued. |
| 19:30.46 | cogwheel | Does that actually cause taint to spread, or does it just taint the dropdown and any time you use the dropdown it runs into the taint and throws an error? |
| 19:31.26 | Lunessa | Taint spread. It's why I eventually tossed it instead of trying to update it - I don't think the original author is working on it anymore. |
| 19:31.54 | cogwheel | Might be a bit advanced, but i'll take a look |
| 19:32.14 | cogwheel | Dropdowns are being covered in a much later chapter |
| 19:32.15 | Lunessa | It hooked the menu from chat, etc. |
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| 19:33.10 | Lunessa | Also, I think MicroMenuFu might still have an issue where it taints the spellbook - so you might be able to snag an example from there. |
| 19:36.49 | cogwheel | ckknight: ping |
| 19:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | MicroMenuFu does indeed still do that, Lunessa. |
| 19:38.44 | Industrial | gm sad he cant help :( |
| 19:38.58 | Lunessa | So that might give Cog exactly the example he's looking for. |
| 19:39.11 | Lunessa | Industrial: Well, in 29 days you can AH it. :P |
| 19:39.15 | art3mis | things that can be taken out of context... <Lunessa> Taint spread. It's why I eventually tossed it instead <-- |
| 19:39.32 | Cidan | Shirik, site setup is done |
| 19:39.35 | Cidan | opened it to the public |
| 19:39.36 | Lunessa | art3mis: I still won't sleep with you. |
| 19:39.47 | Cidan | When do you think we should post the SVN? |
| 19:39.54 | Shirik | not sure |
| 19:39.54 | art3mis | awww come on baby you know you want a nice fresh tossed salad |
| 19:39.58 | Shirik | but I think we should fill out the RFG now |
| 19:40.05 | Cidan | yes |
| 19:40.08 | Cidan | gimmi link. |
| 19:40.20 | art3mis | heh |
| 19:40.27 | art3mis | cidan: new rdx site? |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | what's rdx? |
| 19:40.33 | Cidan | www.conspiracy-ui.com |
| 19:41.27 | foxlit | Hey |
| 19:41.33 | art3mis | is it opperational in that i could sign up? or should i wait? |
| 19:41.34 | foxlit | If you're calling your addon conspiracy |
| 19:41.57 | foxlit | You have to include http://foxlit.pastey.net/69023 |
| 19:42.31 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:42.36 | Cidan | I may just do that. :P |
| 19:42.41 | Lunessa | Cidan: Add some test to your banner "Are you wearing /your/ tinfoil hat?" |
| 19:43.51 | cladhaire | Cidan: way to not have drupal perms set up correctly nub |
| 19:43.57 | cladhaire | gief access to the forums, NOW |
| 19:44.06 | art3mis | denied! |
| 19:44.14 | cladhaire | my mom is denied |
| 19:44.15 | cladhaire | oh dip! |
| 19:44.19 | cladhaire | shut the front door! |
| 19:44.53 | Lunessa | zomg access is denied |
| 19:45.06 | art3mis | cid's a tyrant |
| 19:45.16 | art3mis | he rules with his tinfoil fist ;) |
| 19:45.22 | Lunessa | quick, rotate another hexagonal, poorly rendered object and scream! |
| 19:46.11 | Cidan | there you go |
| 19:46.48 | cladhaire | thanks slut |
| 19:46.52 | Shirik | ouch |
| 19:47.00 | Cidan | :( |
| 19:47.05 | cladhaire | ooh they finally let you disable posting on container forums |
| 19:47.09 | cladhaire | been waiting for that forever! |
| 19:47.15 | cladhaire | theme needs tweaking |
| 19:47.21 | cladhaire | and your butt is sticking out in that picture. |
| 19:48.16 | Cidan | That's not the drupal forum software |
| 19:48.26 | Cidan | not the default one anyways |
| 19:48.42 | cladhaire | flatforum? |
| 19:48.46 | Cidan | UIE |
| 19:51.18 | Lunessa | Oh man, I'm a bug. I thought for SURE I was a feature. |
| 19:51.45 | cogwheel | Punkie`: what was that idea you had this morning? my brain is approaching meltdown right now :| |
| 19:51.58 | |Jelly| | Shirik: 8( |
| 19:52.00 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 19:53.29 | |Jelly| | WTB Screenshots. |
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| 19:59.36 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:00.17 | Shirik | hiya Cide |
| 20:00.21 | Cide | hey Shirik |
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| 20:05.41 | Cidan | There, forums have icons and are a bit nicer looking now. |
| 20:05.42 | Cidan | :/ |
| 20:15.27 | deltron | hmm |
| 20:15.47 | Lunessa | The phpBB looks ... squished into the space alloted. |
| 20:16.29 | Shirik | mm |
| 20:16.31 | Shirik | not using phpbb |
| 20:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | No wonder it's squished? :P |
| 20:18.10 | Kaydeethree | geez, 22 seconds and 3 different people point that guy to tech support, heh |
| 20:18.30 | Lunessa | lol |
| 20:18.43 | |Jelly| | What was the question? |
| 20:18.59 | Lunessa | I just guessed, since it looked phpbb-ish. But it does look squished. |
| 20:19.08 | Kaydeethree | he can't connect to the servers |
| 20:19.18 | |Jelly| | Me neither. ZOMG! UI PEOPLE HELP! |
| 20:20.02 | Lopeppeppy | And the original post is deleted already. :) |
| 20:20.04 | Kaydeethree | hahaha |
| 20:20.43 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.29 | Cidan | can anyone even post? :/ |
| 20:22.57 | Cidan | guess so |
| 20:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | I can post. *shrug* |
| 20:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, just read about the wowace.com website |
| 20:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | What has happened to it? |
| 20:23.51 | Lunessa | Yes, but the form exceeds it's boundaries on Firefox 2.x on Mac OSX |
| 20:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "A command got typed into the wrong window and well, things went bad." <-- bets on `rm -rf / home/user/dir` ? ;) |
| 20:24.07 | Shirik | that's what I did long time ago |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | damn I was pissed |
| 20:24.15 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is that the bad dump from a month or so back, ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:24.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 20:24.23 | Cidan | I can say that I've never rm -rf'd anything |
| 20:24.30 | Cidan | bad anyways. |
| 20:24.36 | Shirik | actually it was rm -rf / srv/www/public_html |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | but same difference |
| 20:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done the same thing to my /etc dir actually |
| 20:24.52 | |Jelly| | In regards to Omen/KTM, people say to run both and look for weird numbers? ...wouldn't they be completely different numbers if you have something targeted? |
| 20:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | All the numbers look weird to me, |Jelly|. I run mine to make my tank happy, and keep in minimized. |
| 20:25.55 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I don't really pay attention to it. If I'm pulling healing aggro, something's wrong anyway. (I fade just about every chance I get in bigger fights) |
| 20:27.09 | foxlit | psst, the Fade does nothink! |
| 20:27.19 | Lunessa | I run it, and I pay attention playing my shaman. I tend to put out a lot of threat very quickly. |
| 20:27.23 | Shirik | I've had crappy tanks lately |
| 20:27.25 | Shirik | onnly one good one |
| 20:27.26 | |Jelly| | It makes me feel better though. lol |
| 20:27.30 | Shirik | and he was awesoe |
| 20:27.33 | Shirik | though the dps sucked |
| 20:27.36 | foxlit | wasted mana in most situations |
| 20:27.44 | Shirik | somehow, though, I healed hi through the last boss at SV |
| 20:27.45 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: What spec? |
| 20:27.48 | Shirik | and we didn't kill a single tank |
| 20:27.52 | foxlit | Only Morogrim's murlocks / Solarian's adds make it interesting |
| 20:27.56 | Shirik | I felt pretty good of myself :P |
| 20:28.00 | Lunessa | Enhancement-n00b. |
| 20:28.01 | Cidan | Shirik, anything pending on commit? about to dive in |
| 20:28.08 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:28.11 | Shirik | go for it |
| 20:28.13 | |Jelly| | foxlit: mp5 = win |
| 20:28.29 | foxlit | Clearly |
| 20:28.33 | foxlit | I need 5 more talent points |
| 20:28.49 | |Jelly| | If I ever run out of mana because I was using fade, something wrong to begin with. |
| 20:28.55 | Lunessa | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle |
| 20:29.28 | foxlit | 330 mana / 30 seconds |
| 20:29.37 | foxlit | 55 mp5! |
| 20:29.47 | foxlit | That's quite a hit :P |
| 20:30.15 | |Jelly| | I stand by my statement. |
| 20:31.05 | |Jelly| | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Klot <- my shaman nub |
| 20:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | Much love to all, but I have to go grill like a zillion veggies for tomorrow's picnic! Stay good, Kiki. |
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| 20:34.08 | Cide | |Jelly|: you might be better off using it when you pull aggro :P |
| 20:34.19 | |Jelly| | I don't. That's the point. :P |
| 20:34.25 | Cide | you don't pull aggro? |
| 20:34.30 | |Jelly| | Nope. |
| 20:34.36 | Cide | then why do you use it? |
| 20:34.37 | |Jelly| | I use it cause I'm paranoid. |
| 20:34.44 | Cide | oh, well, stop it :) |
| 20:35.01 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: I'm considering leveling 2 more shaman. so I can explore all the different specs during the leveling process. |
| 20:35.18 | |Jelly| | Klot was enhancement to 62, resto to 65 and elemental to 70. |
| 20:35.19 | Shirik | yeah actually, using fade proactively has very minimal benefit |
| 20:35.29 | Shirik | because it's an aggro loan not a dup |
| 20:35.30 | Shirik | dump |
| 20:35.32 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 20:35.37 | |Jelly| | I know. <.< |
| 20:35.38 | Shirik | man this M key is really going to piss me off |
| 20:35.46 | Lunessa | Fade-Pulling is fun |
| 20:35.49 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 20:37.24 | Lunessa | Yes, I'm nuts. Pre-TBC I used to kite drakk as a mage, and I pull as a priest. |
| 20:37.36 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:37.45 | Kaydeethree | <3 drakk-kiting |
| 20:37.53 | Shirik | our priests like to pull too |
| 20:37.56 | Shirik | typically curator |
| 20:38.08 | |Jelly| | My big ass has pulled him once. |
| 20:38.23 | Lunessa | People are like... Nowai we need huntar for dis - And then I would just do it. |
| 20:38.27 | |Jelly| | Why wasn't I up against the wall you say? I don't know and leave me alone. lol |
| 20:40.45 | Cide | I always pulled the beast (as a priest) |
| 20:41.04 | Kaydeethree | meh, anyone can pull the beast as long as they get shielded, the punt's the fun part |
| 20:41.04 | Cide | was fun to be able to fly for some 5-7 seconds |
| 20:41.13 | Kaydeethree | we typically had a roll-off, low roll got the pull |
| 20:41.17 | Cide | yep, that was the whole point of it |
| 20:41.23 | Cide | meh, I just ran in. screw the others |
| 20:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, did you get sound to work with the latest PTR build? I just saw your post, and can't decide what you're saying there |
| 20:41.47 | Kaydeethree | with wineoss enabled, I can safely start the PTR without getting the usual hang-on-start |
| 20:41.55 | Kaydeethree | audio's still broken, but some progress has been made |
| 20:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno if I'd call OSS 'progress' |
| 20:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But good to hear |
| 20:42.13 | Kaydeethree | 8/17 16:03:15.622 ######## FMOD ERROR! (err 74) This command failed because System::init or System::setDriver was not called. |
| 20:42.13 | Kaydeethree | 8/17 16:03:15.622 ######## FATAL ERROR INITIALIZING. ALL GAME SOUND DISABLED. |
| 20:42.13 | Kaydeethree | 8/17 16:03:15.622 .\SoundEngine.cpp(1612) |
| 20:42.14 | Kaydeethree | 8/17 16:03:15.623 => Game Sound Init Failed. |
| 20:42.22 | Kaydeethree | I'll try it with winealsa |
| 20:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I will once my windows box downloads the patch |
| 20:42.50 | Kaydeethree | oh, duh |
| 20:42.52 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: ############## == zomg wtf error |
| 20:43.03 | Kaydeethree | nvm. wasn't running the ptr with aoss |
| 20:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | So it's still 100% broken? |
| 20:45.25 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 20:45.40 | Kaydeethree | I'm waiting for it to time out and throw up the wowerror window now |
| 20:47.38 | End | lol huge gnome shoulders.... http://i9.tinypic.com/6c6lijs.jpg |
| 20:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, makes me happy |
| 20:47.49 | Kaydeethree | http://ctscreens.net/8548 |
| 20:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Small orc shoulders need fixing |
| 20:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Huge gnome shoulders are awesome |
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| 20:48.32 | Lunessa | Huge shoulders FTW. |
| 20:48.56 | End | Kaydeethree: pff, your shoulders aren't -quite- as silly looking |
| 20:49.07 | End | although |
| 20:49.11 | End | they still look pretty silly |
| 20:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, I just saw your sig, Kaydeethree |
| 20:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "It seems mages were saving more money than originally intended. Any money saved will now be reduced by 10% and will break frost nova." |
| 20:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I love you now |
| 20:49.35 | Kaydeethree | found that on the mage forum somewhere |
| 20:50.01 | Lunessa | <3 Mages. Feed me. |
| 20:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | gtfo warlock |
| 20:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Just gtfo |
| 20:50.35 | AnduinLothar | damnit... blogger doesn't support xhtml. that's a pain... |
| 20:50.59 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 20:51.58 | foxlit | >>> t = {1,2,3,foo=true,bar=false,4,5}; print(t[4]); |
| 20:51.58 | Cide | foxlit: 4 |
| 20:52.13 | art3mis | what are these things called "mages"? |
| 20:52.28 | |Jelly| | `round here, they're called Vending Machines |
| 20:52.30 | Cide | { 1, 2, 3, foo=true, bar=false, 4, 5 } |
| 20:52.32 | Cide | >>> { 1, 2, 3, foo=true, bar=false, 4, 5 } |
| 20:52.33 | Cide | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ["bar"] = false, ["foo"] = true } (#1) |
| 20:52.37 | art3mis | oh so they're the same thing |
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| 20:53.21 | Lunessa | Imagine if you will a very large, dangerous cannon, made from cardboard tubes and tinfoil, with treats taped to the outside and you might understand "mages." |
| 20:53.49 | art3mis | i like treats |
| 20:54.09 | Kaydeethree | oh, wow |
| 20:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I like your description |
| 20:54.23 | art3mis | it's pretty apt |
| 20:54.33 | Kaydeethree | crashed the PTR that time far enough in to get SESound.log output |
| 20:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 20:54.41 | art3mis | you fergot the "tear recepticle" though |
| 20:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll contribute the same once I get this patch |
| 20:55.03 | Lunessa | No, rogues are the new qq machines. |
| 20:55.19 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965804872&sid=1 <-- LAZY people |
| 20:55.26 | art3mis | they were the old ones too ;P |
| 20:55.27 | Kaso | I think what was said about glass cannons at blizzcon was a very truthful |
| 20:55.51 | |Jelly| | I'd rather hear about rogue qq than the stupid orc shoulders. |
| 20:55.55 | Kaso | about how people like choosing gear that makes themselves into glass cannons. |
| 20:56.42 | End | in pve it seems somewhat expected |
| 20:56.53 | art3mis | heh the orc shoulders made me laugh |
| 20:57.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, they do. BIG NUMBARZ WOOT. zomg, rez plx. |
| 20:57.32 | art3mis | its a good thing they didnt build in "wacky spell failure" |
| 20:57.56 | art3mis | icenova freezes everything but the mobs |
| 20:57.57 | End | I think that'd be good for a particular boss fight |
| 20:58.02 | End | but not general gameplay |
| 20:58.09 | art3mis | fireballs splode at your feet |
| 20:58.18 | End | imagine pvping and suddenly you own yourself ;p |
| 20:58.23 | art3mis | hah |
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| 20:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Done that before |
| 20:58.29 | |Jelly| | I wouldn't mind being able to nova people in Gruul's so they don't freaking run to me and blow me up. : / |
| 20:58.32 | art3mis | me too ;P |
| 20:58.33 | Kaydeethree | screw spell reflect |
| 20:58.36 | End | ok, disregarding spell reflect :P |
| 20:58.54 | End | against warriors you have some indication |
| 20:58.54 | art3mis | swd on spell reflect |
| 20:58.58 | art3mis | poof owned |
| 20:59.09 | End | although that meta gem is annoying...you don't expect it at all |
| 20:59.42 | End | wtf, why am I hurting and why does that mage have "reflect" above his head instead of a number? |
| 20:59.46 | End | :P |
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| 21:00.01 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 21:00.25 | art3mis | so far my fav was on kazzak accidently hitting my sw:d button instead of fade |
| 21:00.36 | Kaydeethree | splat |
| 21:00.40 | End | hmm, that'd be bad :P |
| 21:00.40 | art3mis | not only did it not kill him but i sploded beautifully |
| 21:00.48 | art3mis | and so did a fwe people around me |
| 21:00.51 | |Jelly| | I'm one of the many that suicided on Curator! go me! |
| 21:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be awesome |
| 21:01.03 | art3mis | made oe person clear the mountain thats behind you during the fight |
| 21:01.14 | Lunessa | One of the mages in my guild recently came to me to cut several Solid Stars of Elune. ... Because she didn't want to gimp herself to hit higer DPS numbers at the cost of health. |
| 21:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I know a mage who specs /out/ of damage. Intentionally. |
| 21:01.44 | End | how much health does she have? |
| 21:01.46 | Lunessa | And I <3 her for it. |
| 21:01.46 | Kaydeethree | ...the hell? |
| 21:01.58 | foxlit | improved wands! |
| 21:02.00 | art3mis | ive always gone balance |
| 21:02.00 | |Jelly| | [16:01]<Kaydeethree>...the hell? <-- what he said |
| 21:02.20 | art3mis | i'd rather have slightly more mana than hps |
| 21:02.25 | Lunessa | 7083 right now. |
| 21:02.31 | art3mis | most holys pre tbc had about 3k-4k hp |
| 21:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, mages exist in one of two states |
| 21:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Alive, or dead |
| 21:02.35 | art3mis | i had 8k |
| 21:02.46 | art3mis | much more durable |
| 21:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't try to make an inbetween. You can't. |
| 21:02.48 | End | hmm |
| 21:02.58 | |Jelly| | I <3 the mages that get upset when they die while AE mobs. |
| 21:03.03 | art3mis | schrodeingers mage? |
| 21:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Most mages don't know how to AoE. |
| 21:03.26 | foxlit | if a mage dies in a forest, do they still do the animation? |
| 21:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit, if they're a gnome, safe bet yes |
| 21:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Safe bet that you can still hear the sound, too |
| 21:03.47 | art3mis | we had one mage we nicknamed mala-bomb |
| 21:04.14 | art3mis | hehe even with no-one around gnome deaths are always popuar ;P |
| 21:04.20 | art3mis | popular |
| 21:12.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Aarisa (n=me@ip68-14-140-87.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 21:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 21:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a valid SESound.log! |
| 21:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It still locked up, but it went somewhere, too |
| 21:19.47 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 21:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | No errors listed, sadly |
| 21:20.11 | Aarisa | 12No fun without errors |
| 21:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I should disable the dmix driver and see if that changes anything |
| 21:21.00 | Aarisa | 12I have a newbie question, if anyone wants to handle an easy one... (unfortunately, no, it has nothing to do with your sound) |
| 21:21.55 | Aarisa | 12Most posts I see about interface.MPQ are about game crashes... I completely lack the file and the game works fine... is reinstalling the only way to get the file? |
| 21:21.57 | Lunessa | ~purl asktoask |
| 21:21.57 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:21.58 | |Jelly| | Just ask. lol |
| 21:22.11 | Aarisa | 12:P |
| 21:23.06 | mikma | Aarisa: disable those colors please |
| 21:23.30 | Aarisa | Is this better? |
| 21:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, nothing like having a client that strips out colors by default |
| 21:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 21:24.04 | Lunessa | The Interface.mpq file is only available after you've installed the UI Kit. |
| 21:24.42 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:24.46 | Aarisa | Okay, I have downloaded the CustomInterfaceKit.exe and it is yelling about not being able to find said file |
| 21:24.47 | Lunessa | At least, I don't see one on this machine, and I haven't installed the ui kit on it. |
| 21:24.51 | Shirik | someone used my factoid!! |
| 21:24.58 | Shirik | (other than me) |
| 21:25.37 | Cidan | sigh, time to get cookin' |
| 21:25.43 | Cidan | YOU, SLAVE! |
| 21:25.45 | Shirik | I've never heard of 'interface.mpq' |
| 21:25.45 | Cidan | back to work! |
| 21:25.57 | Shirik | there are others |
| 21:26.05 | Shirik | the interface should be in locale-enUS.mpq |
| 21:26.32 | Shirik | Lunessa: The interface kit doesn't make any mpqs, it just extracts them |
| 21:26.53 | Aarisa | Is CustomInterfaceKit the proper UI kit? |
| 21:26.55 | Lunessa | Bah, I need to pay more attention to what I type. |
| 21:27.23 | Shirik | I don't know, I've never used it |
| 21:27.31 | Aarisa | What's your tool of choice? |
| 21:27.54 | Lunessa | Aarisa: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
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| 21:28.04 | Shirik | wowwiki, wdn, or winpq |
| 21:28.07 | Shirik | s/win/winm/ |
| 21:29.02 | Aarisa | Ah, thanks Lunessa |
| 21:29.39 | Aarisa | wowwiki is amazing and I have plans to download winmpq |
| 21:29.49 | Aarisa | I was just having a tough time getting started |
| 21:30.15 | Aarisa | Ah! I remember running this on my laptop :) |
| 21:30.35 | Aarisa | Thanks for the help, all |
| 21:31.03 | Shirik | =) |
| 21:32.26 | Cide | interesting.. apparently the PHP interpreter doesn't take care of circular references |
| 21:32.40 | Aarisa | Haha, trying to break things? |
| 21:32.44 | Shirik | your php code has a circular reference... |
| 21:32.48 | Cide | no no |
| 21:32.55 | Cide | I'm never touching PHP again |
| 21:33.00 | Cidan | How to lose a guy in ten days. |
| 21:33.03 | Aarisa | Aww, but php is fun |
| 21:33.04 | Cide | but I just read about it |
| 21:33.08 | Shirik | =( |
| 21:33.08 | Cidan | Step one: Kick him in the family jewels. |
| 21:33.10 | Shirik | I like php |
| 21:33.11 | Cidan | The end. |
| 21:33.16 | Cide | besides |
| 21:33.20 | haste | PHP is very consistent. |
| 21:33.20 | Shirik | you're a RoR person aren't you |
| 21:33.25 | Cide | Shirik: nope :) |
| 21:33.29 | Cide | well, close |
| 21:33.29 | Shirik | perl? |
| 21:33.32 | Cidan | python |
| 21:33.34 | Cidan | is my bet. |
| 21:33.41 | Shirik | python? |
| 21:33.55 | Shirik | python is infinitely better than RoR, I can still respect you for that |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | even if I don't like it entirely |
| 21:34.17 | Cide | PHP isn't that bad, really |
| 21:34.21 | Aarisa | I need to start touching python at some point |
| 21:34.25 | Cide | but I like python more |
| 21:34.34 | Cide | it's just fun to jump on the 'hate PHP'-train |
| 21:34.38 | Shirik | I picked up PHP quick because it's so similar to C |
| 21:34.55 | Shirik | even its OOP is similar to C++'s |
| 21:34.58 | Shirik | (or maybe java's) |
| 21:35.01 | Cide | I'd urge you to try out python if you're into web development though |
| 21:35.15 | Aarisa | Not quite similar to java |
| 21:35.18 | Cide | PHP barely had OOP when I used it |
| 21:35.21 | Aarisa | I'd say it's similar to C |
| 21:35.26 | Shirik | C's OOP? |
| 21:35.43 | Aarisa | Eh, not to die-hard OOP programmers |
| 21:36.00 | Shirik | I don't see how you can call C at all OO... anywhere |
| 21:36.08 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 21:36.12 | Shirik | I learned C++ before C |
| 21:36.25 | Aarisa | Eh, I'm really only familiar with C++ and semi-familiar with C# |
| 21:36.30 | Lunessa | main (void) |
| 21:36.34 | Kaydeethree | forums go splat for anyone else? |
| 21:36.35 | Lunessa | ; |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik | the pointless void word |
| 21:36.44 | Shirik | is it required in C? |
| 21:36.50 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 21:36.58 | Shirik | I don't see any good reason to do that >< |
| 21:37.00 | Aarisa | Hmm... C++ doesn't care if it's there |
| 21:37.03 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:37.20 | Aarisa | That explains why my prof always used int main(void) |
| 21:37.23 | Cide | can't see a good reason, other than being more explicit |
| 21:37.28 | Lunessa | I never did either; since it annoyed me, I went on to C++ |
| 21:37.58 | Cide | explicitness is good sometimes |
| 21:38.12 | Cide | most of the time |
| 21:38.17 | Lunessa | Dr. Ralph May (who taught my C and C++ classes) used to laugh at me for being annoyed by (void) |
| 21:38.29 | Aarisa | I prefer void main() :P |
| 21:38.35 | Cide | void main(void)! |
| 21:38.38 | Aarisa | Haha |
| 21:38.43 | Cidan | tsk |
| 21:38.48 | Shirik | see I'm just looking at this like |
| 21:38.49 | Cidan | int main(void) |
| 21:38.49 | Aarisa | Though int main() makes more sense on some OSs |
| 21:38.50 | Cide | I don't like void main though |
| 21:38.51 | Shirik | you have no parameters |
| 21:38.58 | Shirik | why on earth would you put something in the parens |
| 21:39.08 | Shirik | you don't call it like foo(void) |
| 21:39.12 | Shirik | just when you create it |
| 21:39.18 | Shirik | (declare/define) |
| 21:39.23 | Lunessa | Kaydeethree: I think the main forums just went South for me too. |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS |
| 21:41.11 | |Jelly| | haha |
| 21:41.12 | Shirik|Nap | oh you so lucky |
| 21:41.19 | Shirik|Nap | a second sooner you'd be ghosted |
| 21:41.36 | Aarisa | Registration for the win? |
| 21:41.42 | clad|Away | ~seen Shirik |
| 21:41.47 | purl | shirik <i=feh@ip68-98-130-180.dc.dc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 41s ago, saying: 'DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS'. |
| 21:41.47 | Shirik|Nap | p.s. Cairenn|afk's totally going to read that later and be like 'wtf' |
| 21:41.50 | Shirik|Nap | clad|Away =( |
| 21:41.50 | clad|Away | :P |
| 21:43.02 | cladhaire | i hate the pvp game |
| 21:43.08 | cladhaire | hwo much time you have to put in to have competitive gear |
| 21:43.34 | Aarisa | Too true |
| 21:44.09 | Cide | cladhaire: some 30 hours of BGs I'd say |
| 21:44.14 | Cide | for all of the veteran gear |
| 21:44.22 | cladhaire | yeah thats just ricktarded |
| 21:44.24 | Cide | maybe 10-15 weeks of arenas too |
| 21:44.25 | cladhaire | i dont have pre-mades to run with |
| 21:44.26 | End | I'm glad they got rid of the high warlord method at least |
| 21:44.33 | cladhaire | End: indeed |
| 21:44.53 | cladhaire | they just made it a gear game, instead of a farming cap game. |
| 21:44.59 | buu | They should just make arenas equip you with the same gear |
| 21:45.02 | buu | It'll be awesome. |
| 21:45.02 | cladhaire | slash time game |
| 21:45.07 | buu | Everyone gets a pointy stick and two rocks. |
| 21:45.24 | cladhaire | it sucks when you have a 3/2 arathi |
| 21:45.26 | cladhaire | takes so long. |
| 21:45.32 | Industrial | Question: when will a pet teach me his skill? im not getting CLaw 4 but the pet does have it.. iw ant ot give it to my kitty |
| 21:45.50 | End | I think you -should- have to spend time, but it's still far too slow to acquire gear |
| 21:45.50 | Aarisa | It sucks when you're alliance in my battlegroup :P |
| 21:45.52 | Industrial | I dont get it cause I do have scorpid poison and gore |
| 21:46.15 | cladhaire | Industrial: is the pet happy? |
| 21:46.18 | Cide | buu: I disagree - choosing gear is part of being successful |
| 21:46.28 | cladhaire | they have a lower chance of teaching you if they're red or yellow, imo |
| 21:46.31 | Cide | buu: however, it would be nice to let everyone have the same gear *pool* |
| 21:46.36 | buu | Cide: Well.. |
| 21:46.38 | Industrial | cladhaire: yes |
| 21:46.49 | Industrial | i just keep it for a while? |
| 21:46.56 | Aarisa | Yeah |
| 21:46.56 | buu | Cide: I don't really believe there are that many choices, although I suppose there are some major ones due to spec. |
| 21:46.56 | cladhaire | and have it attack yet |
| 21:46.59 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:47.22 | Industrial | ah got it now |
| 21:47.24 | Industrial | lol :P |
| 21:47.26 | Industrial | impatient |
| 21:47.40 | Aarisa | The problem is that gear is important, the problem is that gear is TOO important |
| 21:47.43 | Cidan | so I want to level, btu I don't want to do instances |
| 21:47.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 21:47.49 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide-] by ChanServ |
| 21:47.51 | Aarisa | *that first is should be 'isn't' |
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| 21:48.09 | Industrial | Cidan: so do a solo levelign guide like me |
| 21:48.10 | End | anyways, I don't think their required rating weapons will work too well |
| 21:48.11 | buu | Cidan: So don't? |
| 21:48.20 | Shirik|Nap | hrm |
| 21:49.12 | Shirik|Nap | grr |
| 21:49.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cidan|IPv6 (i=aj@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:709) |
| 21:49.18 | Shirik|Nap | I'll test this somewhere else |
| 21:49.22 | Shirik|Nap | I hate you cid |
| 21:49.26 | Cidan|IPv6 | :D |
| 21:49.44 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shirik (n=8@100.238.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:50.23 | Cidan|IPv6 | I have about 65,000 IP's on IPv6. |
| 21:50.24 | End | either you need rating to use, in which case you lose too rating you get screwed, or you need the rating to buy, in which case high rating teams can sell spots a lot easier (unless you need to be in a team for a certain amount of time, in which case new teams/having difficulties with teams can be a big problem, especially if your team breaks up mid-season) |
| 21:50.27 | Cidan|IPv6 | It's sick. |
| 21:50.45 | End | does anyone know how the rating required S3 gear -does- work? |
| 21:51.11 | End | (actually, I don't remember seeing a blue post...was this announced at blizzcon or something?) |
| 21:51.13 | Kaydeethree | I'm assuming it'll work like pvp-1.0 rank gear, get to x rank, buy it, use it no matterwhat rank |
| 21:51.18 | Kaydeethree | that was announced at blizzcon |
| 21:51.43 | End | well, originally you needed to keep the rank to use the original pvp gear :P |
| 21:51.43 | Shirik|Nap | muahahaha! |
| 21:51.52 | Shirik|Nap | hey Cidan |
| 21:51.53 | Shirik|Nap | try that again |
| 21:51.54 | Kaydeethree | pvp-1.1, then |
| 21:51.57 | Cidan | ... |
| 21:51.58 | End | they realized how absurdly stupid that was after a bit though :P |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik|Nap | you suck |
| 21:52.20 | Kaydeethree | ghost him! |
| 21:52.24 | Shirik|Nap | =( |
| 21:52.28 | Shirik|Nap | he cheated |
| 21:52.42 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:52.45 | Lunessa | Seriously, the PVP-Ladder system was designed to punish you into doing nothing but PVP |
| 21:52.46 | Shirik|Nap | he's scared |
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| 21:52.50 | Shirik|Nap | really |
| 21:52.58 | Shirik|Nap | Shirk ~= Shirik |
| 21:53.12 | Cidan | I did it on my ipv6 client |
| 21:53.12 | End | yeah, it was stupid |
| 21:53.55 | Shirik|Nap | cmon Cidan, show off to Kaydeethree my newest script :P |
| 21:53.57 | End | most people who got high warlord (or whatever alliance have) didn't do it alone |
| 21:54.04 | Cidan | no thanks. :P |
| 21:54.19 | Cidan | I have a feeling I know what it will do |
| 21:54.25 | End | (meaning, they had others play their account to some extent) |
| 21:54.28 | Shirik|Nap | you're probably right :P |
| 21:54.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cidan|IPv6 (i=aj@ip68-98-130-180.dc.dc.cox.net) |
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| 21:54.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=aj@ip68-98-130-180.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 21:54.48 | Kaydeethree | end; that was par for the course towards rank 12-13 |
| 21:54.58 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:55.00 | Shirik|Nap | grrr |
| 21:55.31 | foxlit | How are unanchored frames positioned? |
| 21:55.37 | Shirik|Nap | they aren't |
| 21:55.40 | Cidan | they are not |
| 21:55.41 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:55.43 | Aarisa | Haha, I believe I was just thinking the same thing |
| 21:55.51 | Cidan | They just don't show up. |
| 21:56.00 | Aarisa | (or not) |
| 21:56.35 | Aarisa | I'm assuming there are several different layers of panes? |
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| 21:56.40 | Shirik|Nap | there |
| 21:56.48 | Shirik|Nap | now Cidan (hopefully) has no workaround |
| 21:57.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=aj@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:709) |
| 21:57.28 | Shirik | Hmm? |
| 21:57.29 | Shirik|Nap | wtf |
| 21:57.34 | Shirik | Oh that's right. |
| 21:57.35 | Shirik|Nap | you fail at life, ON JOIN! |
| 21:57.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=aj@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:709) |
| 21:57.55 | Shirik | What was that? |
| 21:57.55 | Shirik|Nap | oh |
| 21:57.57 | Shirik|Nap | wrong var name |
| 21:57.57 | Shirik | I do what now? |
| 21:57.58 | Shirik|Nap | damn it |
| 21:58.03 | Cide- | haha, nice |
| 21:58.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=aj@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:709) |
| 21:58.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=aj@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:709) |
| 21:58.24 | Cidan | haha |
| 21:58.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:58.37 | Shirik|Nap | there. |
| 21:58.43 | Shirik|Nap | now I can sleep in peace |
| 21:58.55 | Cidan | not really, :P |
| 21:59.06 | Aarisa | lol |
| 21:59.08 | Shirik|Nap | =( |
| 21:59.11 | Shirik|Nap | It tried to ghost you guys |
| 21:59.15 | Shirik|Nap | but I don't have those links |
| 21:59.44 | Cide | did you use a wildcard match for that notice? :P |
| 21:59.49 | Shirik|Nap | isin |
| 22:00.06 | Aarisa | Are there multiple layers of panes in the UI? |
| 22:00.09 | Shirik|Nap | is kinda like a *Shirik* |
| 22:00.14 | Shirik|Nap | case insensitive |
| 22:00.17 | Cidan | Aarisa, What do you mean? |
| 22:00.23 | foxlit | Aarisa: yes, stratas |
| 22:00.24 | Shirik|Nap | Aarisa: yes |
| 22:00.32 | Cidan | Oh, that, :P |
| 22:00.41 | Cide | yay |
| 22:00.58 | Aarisa | Which layer contains the 'v' information? |
| 22:01.46 | Shirik|Nap | prolly TOOLTIP |
| 22:01.54 | Aarisa | Ah, okay |
| 22:02.01 | Shirik|Nap | maybe not |
| 22:02.10 | Shirik|Nap | no |
| 22:02.10 | Shirik|Nap | probably not |
| 22:02.11 | Cidan | go sleep |
| 22:02.16 | Shirik|Nap | it's probably close to LOW |
| 22:02.19 | Cidan | sooner you sleep, more code can be don |
| 22:02.20 | Cidan | e |
| 22:02.20 | Shirik|Nap | now that I actually think about it |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik|Nap | go cook |
| 22:02.46 | Cidan | chicken is taking a bath atm |
| 22:03.06 | Cidan | also, if any hot young ladies live in Norther Virginia, you're welcome to come eat a nice homemade chicken dinner. :P |
| 22:03.06 | foxlit | "UNKNOWN" |
| 22:03.10 | foxlit | says devtools |
| 22:03.19 | Shirik|Nap | heh |
| 22:03.23 | foxlit | same strata as worldframe |
| 22:03.25 | Aarisa | There's an "UNKNOWN" layer? |
| 22:03.30 | Shirik|Nap | not really |
| 22:03.34 | foxlit | I'm guessing that's an artifact of something |
| 22:03.39 | Shirik|Nap | and be careful |
| 22:03.40 | Aarisa | So it's possible to add stuff to the world frame? |
| 22:03.42 | Shirik|Nap | layer is not strata |
| 22:03.47 | Shirik|Nap | they are two completely different things |
| 22:03.52 | Aarisa | o.O |
| 22:04.06 | tardmrr | there is no UNKNOWN layer /or/ strata |
| 22:04.20 | foxlit | WorldFrame:GetFrameStrata(); |
| 22:04.30 | tardmrr | it's likely that the frame has no strata so :GetFrameStrata is returning nil |
| 22:05.09 | tardmrr | and DevTools is falling back on "unknown" |
| 22:05.10 | Shirik|Nap | I agree |
| 22:05.17 | foxlit | Well, you'd both be wrong |
| 22:05.20 | Shirik|Nap | =( |
| 22:05.25 | foxlit | It returns "UNKNOWN", not nil |
| 22:05.34 | Shirik|Nap | interesting |
| 22:05.40 | tardmrr | hmm |
| 22:05.44 | End | what happens if you try to set a frame to that strata? |
| 22:05.46 | Cide | it should return "MYSTICAL", in my opinion |
| 22:06.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge blq (i=Bl@dslb-088-065-172-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:06.14 | blq | hello |
| 22:06.22 | Lunessa | OHNOES you silly cat, ur open wurmhole! |
| 22:06.22 | foxlit | It'll error out, saying UNKNOWN is unknown |
| 22:06.28 | Aarisa | Okay, so what I was referring to as 'layers' are actually called stratas? |
| 22:06.28 | End | heheh |
| 22:06.40 | End | Aarisa: layers are for textures/fontstrings only |
| 22:06.49 | Aarisa | Layers are contained with frames and frames within stratas? |
| 22:07.01 | blq | everyone: I'm doing my first tries to develope a own script.. could anyone tell me where "commands" like "addmessage" are explained? I didn't find this one @wowwiki |
| 22:07.15 | foxlit | Widget API should have it |
| 22:07.17 | Shirik|Nap | you would find that at wowwiki if you look in the right place |
| 22:07.23 | Shirik|Nap | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:07.42 | Shirik|Nap | and please be careful, variables (including functions) are case sensitive |
| 22:07.44 | Aarisa | Ah! That looks useful! |
| 22:07.49 | Shirik|Nap | AddMessage is not the same as addmessage |
| 22:07.53 | blq | hm.. I've just used the google search - I thought if google cant find it it isnt there :P |
| 22:08.03 | blq | thx |
| 22:08.03 | foxlit | Hm |
| 22:08.06 | Aarisa | wowwiki is the most amazing thing ever :P |
| 22:08.25 | Cide | blq: if google can't find it, there is no "it" |
| 22:08.30 | Lunessa | Ok, time for me to go home. |
| 22:08.32 | Shirik|Nap | it's definitely there, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_MessageFrame_AddMessage |
| 22:08.37 | Lunessa | ciao tutti. |
| 22:08.40 | Cidan | bai |
| 22:08.40 | Aarisa | Ciao |
| 22:08.41 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:08.43 | Shirik|Nap | a bientot |
| 22:08.48 | Aarisa | Arrivaderci |
| 22:09.01 | Cidan | PEACE OUT HOMMIE? |
| 22:09.03 | Cidan | :( |
| 22:09.07 | Aarisa | lol |
| 22:09.10 | blq | cide: sorry I can't follow you |
| 22:09.20 | Cide | blq: nevermind, then :) |
| 22:09.35 | Shirik|Nap | Cidan: Obviously nobody cares about you |
| 22:09.35 | blq | cide: ah ok you were jokin :P |
| 22:09.38 | Shirik|Nap | except me |
| 22:10.04 | foxlit | local lcmeta = {__newindex=function(t,k,v) if type(k) == "string" then k = k:lower(); end t[k] = v; end, __index = function(t,k) if type(k) == "string" then k = k:lower(); end if type(t[k]) == "table" then return setmetatable(t[k], lcmeta); else return t[k]; end}; |
| 22:10.14 | foxlit | _G = setmetatable(_G, lcmeta); |
| 22:10.48 | Shirik|Nap | .... |
| 22:10.59 | foxlit | Almost, nested tables wouldn't play nice |
| 22:11.06 | blq | everyone: is it possible to use variables and text strings in the same "addmessage" output? |
| 22:11.14 | Shirik|Nap | your goal being to taint the entire UI to allow for case insensitivity? |
| 22:11.19 | foxlit | Yes |
| 22:11.20 | Aarisa | My instincts say 'yes', blq |
| 22:11.29 | blq | okay - but how? :P |
| 22:11.31 | Shirik|Nap | blq: Yes, but I would recommend reading pil first |
| 22:11.35 | Aarisa | Concatenation :P |
| 22:11.41 | Shirik|Nap | We can answer the questions, but you won't learn anything from it |
| 22:11.52 | Shirik|Nap | .. is your concatenation operator |
| 22:11.57 | Aarisa | http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered <-- This should answer all my questions :) |
| 22:12.06 | Shirik|Nap | >>> foo = 4; print("bar" .. foo); |
| 22:12.07 | Cide | Shirik|Nap: "bar4" |
| 22:12.18 | Cide | blq: www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:12.31 | Cide | blq: it'll help you |
| 22:12.36 | Shirik|Nap | it will |
| 22:12.37 | blq | for sure I'm reading wow wiki up and downwards - but somehow I don't find that much - thanx @ cide I'll try that page |
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| 22:12.46 | Shirik|Nap | .... |
| 22:12.50 | Shirik|Nap | I recommended it first T_T |
| 22:13.02 | blq | thx 2 you 2 :P |
| 22:13.04 | Cide | the wow wiki is more of a reference manual |
| 22:13.04 | foxlit | wowwiki covers more of the wow-specific API, rather than general lua concepts |
| 22:13.07 | Kaydeethree | heh... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965754595&sid=1&pageNo=2#32 |
| 22:13.20 | foxlit | bump the ace rdx thread! |
| 22:13.31 | Cide | it's more of a "what's this function used for? where can I find an event for X?" deal |
| 22:13.34 | Shirik|Nap | ................... |
| 22:14.02 | foxlit | Napping people don't talk! |
| 22:14.10 | blq | Shirik|Nap: foo = 4; print("bar" .. foo); << thx, that helped me |
| 22:14.11 | Aarisa | He didn't talk, technically |
| 22:14.14 | Aarisa | He .............. ed |
| 22:14.17 | End | it's a little better than that, but not a lot |
| 22:14.32 | Aarisa | Apparently he fell asleep on his '.' button and rolled over onto the enter key |
| 22:14.36 | foxlit | He wasn't silent! :P |
| 22:14.57 | foxlit | And that's a rather difficult feat to accomplish on a keyboard |
| 22:14.58 | End | Shirik|Nap: so, ...... ... .. .. ...........? |
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| 22:17.15 | Aarisa | Strata > Frame level > Frames > Layers ... sound right? |
| 22:17.27 | Cide | frames aren't actually layers |
| 22:17.38 | Cide | but yes, otherwise that's correct |
| 22:17.46 | Aarisa | I mean layers are contained within frames |
| 22:17.50 | Aarisa | Yes? |
| 22:18.00 | Cide | yes, but that has no effect on the actual rendering :) |
| 22:18.07 | Aarisa | Gotcha |
| 22:18.11 | Cide | Strata > Frame level > Layers |
| 22:18.25 | foxlit | And virtually everything can stretch outside the parent container |
| 22:18.37 | Aarisa | Hehe, I've seen that :x |
| 22:18.54 | Cide | >>> 240/160 == 1024/768 |
| 22:18.55 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 22:19.09 | foxlit | >>> 240/160, 1024/768 |
| 22:19.09 | Cide | foxlit: 1.5, 1.3333333333333 |
| 22:19.16 | End | frame sizes are useful for anchoring and catching mouse clicks :P |
| 22:19.34 | foxlit | Insets are bloody awful on some addons |
| 22:19.44 | foxlit | $parentparent works in XML, right? |
| 22:19.55 | Cide | I've never used it |
| 22:19.56 | foxlit | (as in relativeTo="$parentparent") |
| 22:20.00 | Cide | I don't think it works |
| 22:20.04 | End | I've never seen anyone use it. |
| 22:20.14 | Cide | I think that would translate into self:GetParent():GetName().."parent" |
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| 22:21.34 | End | and I can say Blizzard doesn't use it. |
| 22:21.43 | foxlit | That sounds about right. |
| 22:23.12 | Cidan | Don't you hate it when you define a function in a library, you use it, but then you think of a better name for the function after you place it all over the code? |
| 22:23.37 | Aarisa | Hahaha, yeah, that's no fun |
| 22:23.41 | Cidan | ie: AddChild should have been named SetChild, sigh. |
| 22:23.51 | Cidan | and that's after I renamed it from AddObject |
| 22:23.52 | Cidan | :/ |
| 22:24.02 | Aarisa | Depends on what the function does |
| 22:24.14 | Aarisa | If it creates something new, it should be addChild |
| 22:24.24 | Aarisa | If it modifies something old, it should be setChild |
| 22:24.34 | Cidan | it does both, so I'll name it set |
| 22:24.40 | Aarisa | Hehe |
| 22:24.49 | Aarisa | It does both? |
| 22:24.53 | Cidan | It does both |
| 22:25.04 | End | Ah, yes, but does it do both? |
| 22:25.47 | Aarisa | I think it might do both |
| 22:25.59 | Cidan | Unlikely. |
| 22:26.01 | End | isn't it, add if you can have multiple, set if you can only have one? |
| 22:26.02 | Aarisa | <-- is too java-oriented |
| 22:26.32 | Aarisa | Yes, End |
| 22:26.38 | Cidan | you can override a child that is in place |
| 22:26.42 | Aarisa | But you can set an old child too |
| 22:26.47 | Cidan | w:SetChild(name, child); |
| 22:26.54 | End | ah |
| 22:26.56 | Cide | Cidan: regexps! |
| 22:27.11 | Cidan | hm? |
| 22:27.30 | End | regexps! |
| 22:27.32 | Kaydeethree | http://xkcd.com/c208.html |
| 22:27.42 | Cide | hahaha, I was about to link that, Kaydeethree |
| 22:28.00 | Aarisa | parent:addChild( ... ) versus parent:setChild( childid, ... ) |
| 22:28.16 | Aarisa | That's how I would differentiate anyways :x |
| 22:28.48 | Kaydeethree | meh, at some point I'm going to buy a "sudo make me a sandwich" shirt |
| 22:28.50 | Cidan | you don't frame:addAttribute, you frame:setAttribute; :P |
| 22:29.13 | End | well, it's one child per "key" or whatever |
| 22:29.18 | End | set set makes sense here I think |
| 22:29.21 | Cidan | yep |
| 22:29.30 | Aarisa | Right |
| 22:30.07 | AnduinLothar | any regex pro's wanna help? perl syntax. i need to find all "&" that aren't part of a "&" |
| 22:31.02 | Aarisa | #&^(amp;)# ? ... not sure if that's perl syntax though |
| 22:31.51 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.45 | AnduinLothar | REG_BADRPT |
| 22:32.56 | Cide | badrpt? |
| 22:32.58 | Cide | bad repeat? |
| 22:33.06 | AnduinLothar | dunno |
| 22:33.28 | End | is that pcre, or actual perl? |
| 22:33.39 | AnduinLothar | pcre |
| 22:33.59 | Cide | preg_replace('/&(?!amp;)/', '&', $str) // doesn't work? |
| 22:34.01 | Kaydeethree | eek. http://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=CLX&brand=wui&num=6&delay=15&noclutter=0&type=N0R&t=1113006724&showlabels=1 |
| 22:34.01 | End | (there isn't much difference, but there is a difference) |
| 22:34.13 | Shirik | 182:332:59 » 12[notice from NickServ12]: You cannot GHOST yourself. |
| 22:34.14 | Shirik | -_- |
| 22:34.30 | End | lol |
| 22:34.32 | AnduinLothar | REG_BADRPT cide |
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| 22:34.52 | AnduinLothar | dont think it likes the (?! |
| 22:34.54 | Shirik | Cide: Want me to send you regexbuddy? |
| 22:35.00 | Shirik | here, I'll just run it real quick |
| 22:35.03 | End | it probably doesn't support that |
| 22:35.06 | Cide | what about |
| 22:35.09 | Cide | preg_replace('/\&(?!amp;)/', '&', $str) |
| 22:35.13 | Aarisa | I thought ^ was the nulling character |
| 22:35.17 | End | pcre tends to have 1 or 2 extra features, and miss 1 or 2 features |
| 22:35.24 | Aarisa | Erm, not nulling, negating |
| 22:35.24 | End | they're -almost- the same |
| 22:35.25 | Cide | (?!foo) is negative lookahead |
| 22:35.32 | Shirik | Cide: That is legal |
| 22:35.35 | Shirik | what are you trying to match |
| 22:35.36 | Aarisa | Ahhh |
| 22:35.43 | Cide | Shirik: & not followed by 'amp;' |
| 22:35.53 | AnduinLothar | same cide |
| 22:35.56 | Shirik | that will match & |
| 22:36.03 | Shirik | even if it's followed by amp; |
| 22:36.07 | Shirik | (will just match the &) |
| 22:36.12 | Shirik | er |
| 22:36.14 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 22:36.16 | Shirik | I forgot the ; |
| 22:36.19 | Shirik | that's correct |
| 22:36.22 | Cide | hehe, good :) |
| 22:36.24 | Cide | AnduinLothar: try \\& then |
| 22:36.26 | AnduinLothar | i want to match all &'s that AREN'T followed by amp; |
| 22:36.29 | Cide | preg_replace('/\\&(?!amp;)/', '&', $str) |
| 22:36.34 | Cide | I fail at php |
| 22:36.35 | Aarisa | #&?!(amp;)# |
| 22:37.01 | Aarisa | Does it work if you group? |
| 22:37.07 | Shirik | <3 regex buddy |
| 22:37.12 | Shirik | coolest program I ever got |
| 22:37.16 | Cidan | You know what's great? When you mess up and find/replace AddChild with GetChild |
| 22:37.18 | Shirik | of course, got it for patterns far ore coplicated |
| 22:37.28 | AnduinLothar | arg. somehow i'd replaced preg_replace with ereg_replace |
| 22:37.29 | Aarisa | Hahahahaha, poor Cidan |
| 22:37.30 | Shirik | and I have GOT to fix this damn m key |
| 22:37.37 | End | haha |
| 22:37.43 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: heh, that'd do it |
| 22:37.54 | End | yeah, it would :P |
| 22:38.12 | Cide | AnduinLothar: oh, hehe |
| 22:38.32 | Cide | AnduinLothar: just try '/&(?!amp;)/' then |
| 22:39.10 | AnduinLothar | ok, that works |
| 22:39.14 | Cide | Shirik: I may try regex buddy out |
| 22:39.17 | Shirik | it's nice |
| 22:39.19 | art3mis | awesome big ol thunder and lightning storm |
| 22:39.21 | AnduinLothar | of course now i have another problem |
| 22:39.24 | Shirik | if you come across something you don't know, it can pull it up: |
| 22:39.35 | Aarisa | Grouping in regex was always convoluted to me |
| 22:39.41 | AnduinLothar | it now breaks all other special chars |
| 22:39.50 | Cidan | I wonder if I can bring a bot in here to run regex patterns... |
| 22:39.58 | AnduinLothar | becomes &nbsp; |
| 22:40.05 | Shirik | &(?!amp;) |
| 22:40.05 | Shirik | Match the character "&" literally «&» |
| 22:40.05 | Shirik | Assert that it is impossible to match the regex below starting at this position (negative lookahead) «(?!amp;)» |
| 22:40.05 | Shirik | Match the characters "amp;" literally «amp;» |
| 22:40.17 | Shirik | (Those are tabulated to make it more readable, irc just hates me) |
| 22:40.20 | End | AnduinLothar: that's a feature *wink* |
| 22:40.37 | Shirik | but that is the smallest feature it has |
| 22:40.40 | Shirik | I <3 its debugging |
| 22:40.58 | Shirik | you can go through a match step by step to figure out exactly why something isn't matching |
| 22:41.02 | Cide | AnduinLothar: what about "/&(?![a-zA-Z0-9#]+;)/" ? |
| 22:41.27 | Cide | AnduinLothar: should match &foo and &, but not or &foo; or © |
| 22:41.38 | Cide | should match the & in &foo, that is |
| 22:41.41 | Shirik | or \\w :P |
| 22:41.45 | AnduinLothar | guess that works |
| 22:41.46 | Shirik | well, [\\w#] |
| 22:42.03 | Cide | Shirik: ya, well, I wasn't sure if that worked in pcre :) |
| 22:42.11 | AnduinLothar | looks good thx |
| 22:42.15 | Cide | plus I always get confused which stuff it matters and which it doesn't |
| 22:42.32 | Cide | I spent some 2h debugging the other day because I used \w and it didn't match - |
| 22:42.40 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:43.02 | Cide | s/matters/matches/ |
| 22:43.21 | AnduinLothar | $content_string = preg_replace('/&(?![\\w#]+;)/', '&${1}', $content_string); |
| 22:43.24 | AnduinLothar | wins |
| 22:43.50 | AnduinLothar | dont need the \\ actually |
| 22:43.55 | AnduinLothar | just 1 |
| 22:44.37 | Cide | ${1}? backreference? |
| 22:44.39 | Shirik | that can depend |
| 22:44.48 | Shirik | in that case, yes it's ok |
| 22:44.52 | Shirik | cause php doesn't understand \w |
| 22:44.57 | Cidan | remember kids, don't use . and use : |
| 22:45.05 | Cidan | I need food. |
| 22:45.05 | Aarisa | Hehe |
| 22:45.07 | Shirik | but if it were something like \t, php would have a fit |
| 22:45.11 | Shirik | or \n |
| 22:45.21 | Shirik | so I think in general it's best to escape all your backslashes |
| 22:45.52 | Cidan | I think if it required minimal memory usage, PHP would have a fit. :P |
| 22:46.22 | AnduinLothar | it's a blog, not a web enterprise |
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| 22:47.33 | Shirik | er |
| 22:47.37 | Cide | hey! :P |
| 22:47.38 | Shirik | damn you tab complete! |
| 22:47.46 | Shirik | I demand Cidan change his name to be more distinct |
| 22:49.21 | art3mis | hah a t-shirt thats says "i survived roe v wade" |
| 22:49.21 | buu | HA HA PHP |
| 22:49.54 | Shirik | p.s. Cide: To answer your question way back when |
| 22:49.59 | Shirik | yes that's a backreference :P |
| 22:50.13 | Cide | should remove it then |
| 22:50.14 | art3mis | wheeeeee |
| 22:50.19 | Cide | (?!...) won't match anything |
| 22:50.20 | Shirik | why? |
| 22:50.21 | art3mis | just found my dreamcast |
| 22:50.30 | Shirik | isn't \1 the entire match? |
| 22:50.31 | art3mis | and it even ahs the boot cd with it!!! |
| 22:50.37 | Cide | Shirik: no clue |
| 22:50.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:50.47 | Cide | Shirik: if it is, it'll end up being && |
| 22:50.51 | Shirik | yeh |
| 22:50.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:50.55 | Cide | since & will be the entire match always |
| 22:51.05 | Shirik | you're right |
| 22:51.21 | Cidan | Nalia just asked if we're secret lovers |
| 22:51.26 | Cidan | I said yes. |
| 22:51.32 | Shirik | of course |
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| 22:52.13 | JoshBorke | it is obvious after all |
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| 22:52.37 | Shirik | yeah, the backreference is totally unneeded |
| 22:52.51 | Shirik | now that I've wrapped my head around the reasoning behind it |
| 22:53.11 | Shirik | however, a better question is, AnduinLothar |
| 22:53.17 | Shirik | this is PHP? Why aren't you using htmlspecialchars? |
| 22:53.40 | AnduinLothar | because i only want to replace &'s that aren't already used in special chars |
| 22:54.19 | Shirik | php 5.2.3 allows for that |
| 22:54.21 | AnduinLothar | and, yes the backreference is needed because otherwise it will erase the character following the & |
| 22:54.23 | Shirik | if you're running that late |
| 22:54.51 | Shirik | it shouldn't, no... (?! does not "match" anything, just asserts something |
| 22:55.20 | art3mis | hrm |
| 22:55.20 | Shirik | but yeah, if you're on 5.2.3, see http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.htmlspecialchars.php |
| 22:55.24 | Shirik | doubleencode = false |
| 22:55.29 | art3mis | aside from crazy taxi whats a fun dc game? |
| 22:55.38 | AnduinLothar | doa |
| 22:56.20 | Cidan | power stone |
| 22:56.25 | Cidan | sonic adventure |
| 22:56.28 | cladhaire | worms armageddon |
| 22:56.34 | Kaydeethree | worms! |
| 22:56.38 | art3mis | eeeeeeee |
| 22:56.38 | Shirik | omg |
| 22:56.39 | AnduinLothar | you can get armagedon on pc tho |
| 22:56.40 | Shirik | power stone |
| 22:56.42 | Kaydeethree | need to play that again at some point, it's been entirely too long |
| 22:56.46 | Shirik | power stone is own |
| 22:56.49 | Cidan | power stone is the best. |
| 22:56.49 | art3mis | found my binder of 100 games too |
| 22:56.53 | Cidan | I still have my DC |
| 22:56.53 | art3mis | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:56.56 | Shirik | We used to play that in one of my classes |
| 22:57.06 | Shirik | the teacher and I would team up, we made an awesome team :P |
| 22:57.06 | art3mis | now to find my other controller that has me mem card |
| 22:57.10 | Shirik | 2v2 madness = fun |
| 22:57.13 | Shirik | well that was power stone 2 |
| 22:57.20 | Tain | Powerstone, Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia, Chu Chu Rocket |
| 22:57.21 | Shirik | we did power stone 1 for a bit, that had to be 1v1 though :( |
| 22:57.25 | art3mis | its too bad the dc died |
| 22:57.30 | Tain | House of the Dead 2, if you get guns. |
| 22:57.31 | art3mis | it's a great system |
| 22:57.38 | Shirik | power stone was god |
| 22:57.55 | Tain | Shenmue, Samba de Amigo, Jet Grind Radio |
| 22:57.57 | Shirik | I was that girl with the shruikens |
| 22:58.02 | Shirik | forget her name :( |
| 22:58.14 | Cide | AnduinLothar: yes, Shirik is right - (?!foo) doesn't match anything, it just "looks ahead" and makes sure the following text doesn't match |
| 22:58.31 | art3mis | ooooooooo |
| 22:58.34 | art3mis | alone in the dark! |
| 22:58.36 | Shirik | in fact, regexbuddy even makes a point to say that :P |
| 22:58.45 | Shirik | "Assert that it is impossible to match the regex below starting at this position (negative lookahead) «(?!amp;)»" |
| 22:58.52 | art3mis | keep in mind that i despise all fighting games that arent mortal kombat |
| 22:58.53 | Shirik | It uses the term "assert" whenever it isn't matching something |
| 22:59.07 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 23:00.16 | Shirik | so AnduinLothar, you updated enough to use that function instead? :P |
| 23:00.28 | Shirik | My host has us on php 4.4 :( But' l'll be fixing that shortly |
| 23:00.38 | AnduinLothar | can't don't want to replace <> or " ' |
| 23:00.57 | AnduinLothar | unless i can specify charset |
| 23:01.12 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 23:01.15 | AnduinLothar | not what i though |
| 23:01.18 | AnduinLothar | thought* |
| 23:01.22 | Shirik | iirc there's a way around that too |
| 23:01.26 | Shirik | but I can't remember what it is |
| 23:01.31 | AnduinLothar | i really only need &'s replaced |
| 23:01.32 | Shirik | and it's quickly becoming more trouble than the regex |
| 23:01.46 | AnduinLothar | since that's what xhtml whine's about |
| 23:01.55 | AnduinLothar | and what blogger doesn't want to be compat with |
| 23:03.45 | AnduinLothar | ok, now i need a function to replace all "',;=- with <wbr/> within <code> tags |
| 23:04.39 | art3mis | hey anduin when you get bored wanna drag me through skf or gnomer? |
| 23:04.44 | art3mis | err sfk |
| 23:05.01 | Cidan | Shirik, almost all of grid is switched over to SetChild |
| 23:05.04 | Cidan | much cleaner |
| 23:05.05 | AnduinLothar | who're u? |
| 23:05.19 | Cidan | instread of grid.tc, grid.lol, grid.wtfpwn. |
| 23:05.22 | Cidan | and so on, :P |
| 23:05.31 | art3mis | Roz |
| 23:05.42 | Kaydeethree | hrm. some wtfpwn would be good right about now |
| 23:05.48 | AnduinLothar | Roz? |
| 23:05.50 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: <wbr/> ? |
| 23:06.08 | AnduinLothar | it tells browsers that it's an acceptable place to line break |
| 23:06.14 | art3mis | or do i have you confused with someone else |
| 23:06.37 | art3mis | are you on kelthuzad? |
| 23:06.43 | AnduinLothar | no.. |
| 23:06.49 | art3mis | k i do have you confused |
| 23:06.54 | art3mis | nm then ;P |
| 23:07.05 | AnduinLothar | KJ, not KT |
| 23:07.21 | AnduinLothar | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil'jaeden&n=Wraithhammer |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | haven't really gotten into XHTML myself |
| 23:08.11 | AnduinLothar | <wbr/> is good for wrapping long lines of code without spaces |
| 23:08.29 | AnduinLothar | and still allows for copyign the text fromt he browser |
| 23:09.18 | AnduinLothar | the problem is there's no way to jsut tell the browser it can wrap on any non alpha numeric, you have to specify chunks |
| 23:10.02 | Legorol | hm, noob question: if a non-LOD AddOn (call it X) has an LOD AddOn (call it Y) as an OptDep, will the loading of X cause Y to load? |
| 23:10.29 | Shirik | good question |
| 23:10.33 | Shirik | guess is yes |
| 23:10.43 | Shirik | purely a guess |
| 23:12.36 | foxlit | I'd say yes as well |
| 23:21.34 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965514297&sid=1 |
| 23:22.49 | Punkie` | That must be a real girl on the internet! Quick, get her! |
| 23:23.02 | art3mis | heh ya know that layout is pretty nice |
| 23:23.11 | art3mis | the colours make me shudder though |
| 23:23.17 | Punkie` | art3mis: want some delicious cake? |
| 23:23.45 | art3mis | I hear in 2.3 that's going to be the default UI for paladins. |
| 23:23.53 | art3mis | mmm cake |
| 23:24.02 | mikma | Punkie`: get her and surprise buttsecks!!! |
| 23:24.03 | art3mis | i want a hellow kitty ui |
| 23:24.16 | art3mis | that would be great |
| 23:24.21 | art3mis | renames all your tooltips |
| 23:24.36 | Shirik | Cide is a real girl imo |
| 23:24.42 | art3mis | and puts all damage in nice happy bubble lettering |
| 23:24.46 | Cide | Shirik: you wish |
| 23:24.48 | foxlit | ~irc |
| 23:24.49 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 23:24.59 | Punkie` | he heh heh |
| 23:25.04 | Punkie` | it had acid in it |
| 23:25.08 | art3mis | woo! |
| 23:25.23 | Punkie` | I added it in as a freebie |
| 23:25.24 | art3mis | good bye world of warcraft hello hello kitty island adventure!@ |
| 23:25.44 | art3mis | okay this is wierd |
| 23:25.51 | art3mis | i installed opera today to check some stuff out |
| 23:26.06 | Punkie` | Opera owns |
| 23:26.12 | Punkie` | are you using it for IRC? |
| 23:26.14 | art3mis | and for some reason the internet looks cleaner and crisper and has "more true" colours |
| 23:26.28 | art3mis | its kind of creepy |
| 23:26.30 | Punkie` | use it for IRC! |
| 23:26.34 | Punkie` | I do!! |
| 23:26.42 | art3mis | you alwso make cakes with acid |
| 23:26.43 | AnduinLothar | Opera makes me want to kill kittens |
| 23:26.50 | Punkie` | I hope that's a good way |
| 23:26.54 | Punkie` | as in the fapping kind of way |
| 23:26.54 | foxlit | Opera has pulled in into an alternate reality |
| 23:27.05 | art3mis | i think so fox |
| 23:27.06 | AnduinLothar | it's rendering is so.... not good |
| 23:27.07 | foxlit | And updated your internet to Web 4.0 |
| 23:27.13 | art3mis | yay! |
| 23:27.21 | Punkie` | what is web 4.0? |
| 23:27.26 | Punkie` | dogtag embedded? |
| 23:27.28 | art3mis | 2 above web v2.0 |
| 23:27.32 | Punkie` | i lolled |
| 23:27.49 | art3mis | web 4.0 is ckk's version |
| 23:28.08 | art3mis | you've got 16 dynamic tabs created each time you start it and 7 layers of menu options for each tab |
| 23:28.26 | art3mis | it also lists itself in taskmanager 14 times just so you remember |
| 23:28.33 | Punkie` | does it collect my garbage irl every time my screen refreshes ? |
| 23:28.47 | foxlit | Rather than storing all content on a single server, websites are split between 16 servers that turn on and off based on whether enough people access them! |
| 23:28.55 | art3mis | hah fox |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | dan what I would give for a garbage collector irl |
| 23:29.06 | Shirik | as much as I hate garbage collectors |
| 23:29.08 | Shirik | that would be awesome |
| 23:29.15 | Punkie` | damn straight |
| 23:29.21 | art3mis | man i cant wai for distributed websites |
| 23:29.28 | art3mis | wait |
| 23:29.42 | art3mis | "shit only 1 seed for this site and he's offline" |
| 23:30.00 | Punkie` | oh god |
| 23:30.15 | Punkie` | p2p websites |
| 23:30.15 | art3mis | granted its not a porn site |
| 23:30.28 | Punkie` | If that ever happens |
| 23:30.29 | art3mis | since obviously those would ALWAYS have 40k+ seeds |
| 23:30.38 | Punkie` | I will kill you art3mis |
| 23:30.39 | Rallion | actually...untrue. |
| 23:30.41 | foxlit | And blizzard still uses a horribly bugged BT client |
| 23:30.47 | Cide | Shirik: that'd be interesting.. "oh, Cide no longer references this sock, for it's hidden under his bed. destroy it!" |
| 23:30.53 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:30.56 | art3mis | foxlit: they stopped showing the absolute url too |
| 23:31.02 | foxlit | Couldn't update PTR version since downloader got stuck at 99.9% and refused to request pieces |
| 23:31.09 | AnduinLothar | typical |
| 23:31.17 | Rallion | porn is more like "ahh it's done cancel cancel cancel! |
| 23:31.22 | Rallion | end quote. |
| 23:31.27 | art3mis | you could check the downloader.log for the real torrent link and use a diff client |
| 23:31.41 | art3mis | rallion: my bt sites would disagree ;P |
| 23:31.42 | Punkie` | or |
| 23:31.45 | foxlit | I wasn't interested enough |
| 23:31.55 | foxlit | But it's sad, I posted about that issue several months back |
| 23:32.03 | Punkie` | you would just go to a patch mirror and HTTP it 1 hour after its released |
| 23:32.04 | art3mis | foxlit: im saying that doesnt work anymore, it doesnt right the full url |
| 23:32.34 | Punkie` | foxlit: I remember that being a 'thumbs.db' problem |
| 23:32.41 | Punkie` | you know, that windows cache thing |
| 23:33.07 | art3mis | man could you imagine how horrible that would be forthe mpaa and riaa ? |
| 23:33.09 | foxlit | It's pretty simple :) |
| 23:33.28 | art3mis | someone posts and instantly it's on 4million computers(r fragments there of |
| 23:33.29 | foxlit | http://www.mafiaa.org |
| 23:33.56 | art3mis | heh i was reading about the simpsons movie today |
| 23:34.15 | art3mis | appearantly within an hour of it being online 140k copies had been moved and leeched |
| 23:34.28 | art3mis | the mpaa had no idea how to stop it |
| 23:35.01 | art3mis | it's like they time warped back to 1989 in that they THOUGHT first off they could |
| 23:35.32 | Rallion | lol |
| 23:35.38 | Rallion | did you see it? |
| 23:35.57 | art3mis | yeah im in nyc, saw it 2 days before release |
| 23:36.01 | art3mis | ditto for transformers |
| 23:36.07 | Rallion | for any who didn't see it, in the opening bart is writing on the blackboard something like "I will not download this movie on the internet" |
| 23:36.08 | foxlit | BT makes almost no attempt at concealing who is sharing what, so the technically correct solution is to sue them all. |
| 23:36.08 | art3mis | which btw is still my fav movie of this year |
| 23:36.10 | Rallion | and it was funny. |
| 23:36.15 | Rallion | Transformers was awesome |
| 23:36.19 | art3mis | the whole intro is hilarious |
| 23:36.30 | foxlit | wowp2p, coming soon to a wow client near you! |
| 23:36.33 | art3mis | mocking everyone who came to a movie for something they could get on tv free |
| 23:37.22 | Rallion | yes |
| 23:37.34 | Cidan | pewpewpew lasers. |
| 23:37.48 | Cidan | man |
| 23:37.52 | Cidan | if WoW could write to hard disk |
| 23:37.56 | Cidan | wait... |
| 23:37.57 | Cidan | wiat1 |
| 23:37.59 | Cidan | it can! |
| 23:38.03 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:38.08 | Cide | oh.. really..? :P |
| 23:38.09 | Cidan | betcha I could make a WoW p2p client |
| 23:38.18 | Cidan | well it can write vars to disk |
| 23:38.19 | Cide | haha |
| 23:38.20 | foxlit | It's easy! |
| 23:38.25 | Cidan | omg |
| 23:38.30 | Cide | should make addons distributed via p2p |
| 23:38.39 | Cide | the only problem would be security, of course, but who cares |
| 23:39.08 | foxlit | There's no real security to begin with; signing could solve some of the problems as well. |
| 23:39.15 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Punkie` (n=~@host86-138-93-24.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:39.21 | art3mis | cide: didnt rdx do that already with thier layout stuff? |
| 23:39.27 | Cide | art3mis: no idea |
| 23:39.31 | Cide | I'm planning on doing it |
| 23:39.39 | art3mis | that seems...bad ;P |
| 23:39.42 | Cide | nah |
| 23:39.52 | AnduinLothar | are addons even large enough to bother p2pign them? |
| 23:39.53 | Cide | you just limit it to very specific syntax |
| 23:39.55 | foxlit | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8018/ |
| 23:40.23 | Cide | for example CT_RaidAssist2.Distributed.<Foo>(<...>) |
| 23:40.29 | Cide | only allow function calls like that |
| 23:41.14 | Cide | AnduinLothar: there's no point in distributing full addons like that, no |
| 23:41.21 | Cide | but you might want to distribute dynamic content and such |
| 23:41.41 | foxlit | You could distribute addons like that to enable people to [virtually always] run the current version |
| 23:42.07 | foxlit | Without actually requiring them to bother with downloading updates, just as long as someone does it. |
| 23:44.45 | Cide | foxlit: if you were very creative, yep |
| 23:45.30 | Cidan | yesh, but if you lost your saved vars, you'd lose the updates |
| 23:45.33 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: I've just had a quick email exchange with the Fedora Wine maintainer, looks like I've been able to convince him to push a 0.9.43 build on to the testing repo this weekend. I'll keep you posted. |
| 23:46.51 | Cide | Cidan: yep, in which case you'd have to update manually (*gasp*!) |
| 23:48.24 | foxlit | Or you could acquire your saved vars again :) |
| 23:48.46 | Cidan | bleh, either way I wouldn't use it to update UI's, but to stream dynamic content like RDX6 did |
| 23:48.56 | Cidan | ie: new window configs and templates |
| 23:49.34 | foxlit | Minor bugfixes could also be good |
| 23:49.54 | foxlit | Suppose you messed up a release to botch some sync message that suddenly becomes importnat - you could push code to fix that. |
| 23:50.02 | Shirik | dododo |
| 23:50.06 | Shirik | Cidan doesn't know of my latest project I think |
| 23:50.18 | Cidan | wut, the Java one? |
| 23:50.20 | Shirik | no |
| 23:50.26 | Cidan | Then... no. |
| 23:50.35 | Shirik | foxlit knows I think |
| 23:50.36 | Shirik | and Cide |
| 23:50.41 | Shirik | it involves RSA encryptions |
| 23:50.50 | foxlit | signing |
| 23:50.57 | foxlit | There's no real encryption :) |
| 23:51.04 | Shirik | that's still a form of encryption |
| 23:51.16 | foxlit | Nah |
| 23:51.17 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 23:51.29 | Shirik | Cidan, I had a mostly-functional, secure method of updating RDX over guild chat |
| 23:51.32 | foxlit | It's a form of cryptography :) |
| 23:51.34 | Shirik | distributing critical patches, etc. |
| 23:51.39 | Cidan | huh |
| 23:51.53 | foxlit | But it doesn't protect your messages from being read when intercepted |
| 23:52.30 | Cidan | not just that, what if you had some raid leader who sent out code that would destroy the UI |
| 23:52.30 | Shirik | it was beautiful |
| 23:52.41 | Shirik | they can't sign it |
| 23:52.50 | foxlit | Just verifies that the message probably came from a specific source, even if through an insecure channel |
| 23:52.51 | Shirik | all patches are signed with a 2048-bit signature |
| 23:52.54 | Shirik | only I have the private key |
| 23:53.05 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 23:53.36 | Shirik | foxlit wrote the inherent library though |
| 23:54.37 | Shirik | I just took it and pushed it to its fullest potential |
| 23:54.53 | Cidan | Neat |
| 23:55.03 | Cidan | I guess that would be pretty secure |
| 23:55.16 | Shirik | I got sick of "omfg xx doesn't work" "well MAYBE if you went to the WEBSITE" |
| 23:55.21 | Shirik | "but I just updated last week!" |
| 23:55.32 | Shirik | "Well I just fixed that yesterday!" |
| 23:55.37 | Shirik | etc. |
| 23:55.40 | Cidan | I still don't like it |
| 23:55.51 | Cidan | another addon could wait for your input on the private key |
| 23:55.53 | Cidan | and intercept it |
| 23:56.01 | Shirik | nope |
| 23:56.06 | Cidan | how do you figure? |
| 23:56.10 | Shirik | the private key is never distributed, ever |
| 23:56.27 | Cidan | Do you run this data through the private key before you start the game? |
| 23:56.35 | Cidan | and load it into a var file? |
| 23:56.35 | Shirik | Here's how it works |
| 23:56.44 | Shirik | me, myself, and only me, I write a patch and sign i |
| 23:57.09 | Shirik | I then take that signature and put it into the patch file itself. The public key is distributed with the module and doesn't change between patches |
| 23:57.29 | Cidan | k, well then, all is well I suppose |
| 23:57.31 | Shirik | I distribute the patches pre-signed, and guild chat works as a network of people filling in missing patches |
| 23:57.32 | foxlit | I'd code a revoke mechanism if I were you |
| 23:57.42 | Shirik | probably a good idea, yes |
| 23:57.45 | Shirik | but hadn't really gotten that far |
| 23:58.14 | Shirik | the only real problem |
| 23:58.19 | Shirik | signing the patch took 10 minutes on average |
| 23:58.24 | Cidan | whew |
| 23:58.27 | Shirik | verifying the signature, though, took all of about 5 seconds |
| 23:58.36 | Shirik | and since I'm the only one who needs to sign... |
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| 23:58.48 | Shirik | it wasn't intended to be a replacement for periodic updates, just a means to distribute critical updates |
| 23:58.56 | Shirik | until they fully patch |
| 23:59.41 | Cidan | what if someone logs into the game with a 1 month old version and we've put out two hard updates since then, but then they get a patch for the last hard version |
| 23:59.56 | Cidan | in which a function or method existed that didn't a month ago |
