| 00:00.08 | Wobin | I guess it's a choice of am I going to be on long haul fights or not, yet |
| 00:00.39 | Wobin | where the Master Tactician/Thrill of the Hunt comes into play |
| 00:01.28 | cladhaire | whats the point of survival? |
| 00:01.59 | Wobin | Expose Weakness for raiding situations |
| 00:02.12 | Wobin | but increased flexibility for normal stuff |
| 00:02.16 | Wobin | in regards to traps |
| 00:02.42 | Wobin | hm, lemme post a link http://bigredkitty.blogspot.com/2007/08/rakan-and-guy-proselytize.html |
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| 00:22.04 | Wobin | !c us argent dawn telaka |
| 00:22.07 | ThraeBot | Wobin: Telaka, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (7/41/13). 6278 HP; 5983 Mana; 92 mana regen; 13 mp5; 5335 Armour; 1632 AP; 209.9 Melee DPS; 15.15% melee crit; 129 melee hit; 2004 RAP; 310.9 Ranged DPS; 21.42% ranged crit; 129 ranged hit; 14.63% dodge; 21 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2420!! ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ysdybg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nmogf ]] |
| 00:24.10 | JoshBorke | !mute |
| 00:27.54 | Industrial | hmmmm http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/08/bigredkitty-the-whole-scorpid-thing/ |
| 00:27.58 | Industrial | eenteresting |
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| 00:28.07 | TS|Skrom | ping deltron |
| 00:28.46 | Industrial | how does that match up to a cat dps? while leveling? Im having trouble with Growl + damage-spell-x for the pet, because thepet is always out of focus for growl and I lose aggro |
| 00:28.56 | deltron | TS|Skrom: pong |
| 00:29.32 | Industrial | I usually turn all but growl off and turn it on when I need a little more dps at once |
| 00:29.37 | Corrodias | it prioritizes growl over the others. at the worst, it is delayed 4 seconds, i think |
| 00:29.41 | TS|Skrom | Hey bud pop in google.im |
| 00:30.13 | Industrial | really? hmm |
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| 00:53.15 | Corrodias | now that i've finished reading the last potter book, i feel a bit aimless |
| 00:54.41 | TS|Skrom | she's writing another one you know |
| 00:54.41 | cladhaire | Corrodias: you can shake it :P |
| 00:55.18 | TS|Skrom | In the next one, dumbledore returns and declares that it's hammertime, harry breaks it down and voldemort can't touch this |
| 00:57.46 | Corrodias | :O |
| 00:57.50 | Corrodias | spoilers! |
| 01:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | someone tell me what /camp does exactly :O |
| 01:14.34 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: Harkens back to the EQ days. Same as /logoff. |
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| 01:33.57 | JoshBorke | hola iriel |
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| 01:37.53 | Cidan | I wish she were writing another one |
| 01:37.54 | Cidan | :( |
| 01:38.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae okay thanks |
| 01:38.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan go away and write bad marry sue harry potter fanfiction |
| 01:39.01 | Tem | Cidan, what makes you think she won't write any more? |
| 01:39.37 | Tem | the main story is definitely over, but who's to say she can't write more stories within the same 'universe' |
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| 01:42.35 | sag_ich_nicht | she said so |
| 01:43.46 | Tem | oh, well that'd do it |
| 01:44.06 | Tem | I suppose she is like the second wealthiest woman in the UK |
| 01:44.22 | Tem | (that's second only to the queen) |
| 01:54.56 | cladhaire | no, she's worth more than the queen |
| 01:57.45 | ckknight | she passed the queen a few years ago, I think |
| 01:58.18 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 01:58.44 | Shirik | cladhaire: Ever heard this error message? |
| 01:58.48 | Shirik | "Invalid key to 'next'" |
| 01:58.53 | cladhaire | yes |
| 01:58.55 | Shirik | Coming just from a "for k,v in pairs(t)" |
| 01:59.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:59.39 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 01:59.41 | cladhaire | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2005-10/msg00130.html |
| 01:59.45 | Shirik | I modified t in the for loop |
| 01:59.45 | cladhaire | you're removing the key in the loop |
| 01:59.46 | cladhaire | imo |
| 01:59.46 | Shirik | bad idea >.> |
| 01:59.55 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:59.57 | cladhaire | yes, bad idea |
| 02:00.00 | Shirik | Yeah I should have been smarter than that, thanks.. |
| 02:00.01 | cladhaire | you need some invariant :P |
| 02:02.11 | Shirik | but... |
| 02:02.17 | Shirik | ok, now I'm going crazy |
| 02:02.26 | Shirik | doesn't "for k,v in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil; end" work? |
| 02:02.30 | Shirik | (just an example) |
| 02:02.45 | JoshBorke | setting to nil removes it from being returned by next |
| 02:02.53 | JoshBorke | just pulling shit out of my ass |
| 02:04.18 | cladhaire | no, you can't do that |
| 02:04.23 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:04.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:04.26 | cladhaire | you shoudl be able to |
| 02:04.58 | Shirik | my case is not nearly as simple |
| 02:05.08 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:05.10 | Shirik | but I think it should be, at its roots, that |
| 02:06.45 | cladhaire | not sure tbh |
| 02:06.53 | cladhaire | #lua ftw :P |
| 02:07.01 | Nargiddley | I use that to clear tables quite a bit, never had that error |
| 02:07.18 | Nargiddley | no other modifications to the table in the loop ? |
| 02:07.26 | cladhaire | do you ever modify two keys at once? |
| 02:07.34 | cladhaire | that might cause an issue. |
| 02:08.42 | Shirik | well, I moved things around and it works |
| 02:08.44 | Shirik | so I'll leave it at that |
| 02:08.49 | Shirik | but no I only ever modify one key |
| 02:08.59 | Shirik | two possible options: Change the value at it, or remove it |
| 02:10.28 | cladhaire | interesting :P |
| 02:10.54 | Shirik | well, I just deferred it |
| 02:11.17 | Shirik | Instead of removing the value, I put it into a table of values that need to be removed |
| 02:11.17 | Shirik | on the next pass, it removes it |
| 02:11.28 | Shirik | a little ugly though |
| 02:11.43 | Nargiddley | did it ever remove a value other than the current one ? |
| 02:12.08 | Shirik | it shouldn't have, no |
| 02:12.13 | Shirik | but seriously the code goes all over the place, it probably could have done anything without me seeing it |
| 02:12.25 | Rallion | ugh...48 hour maintenence next week. blah. |
| 02:12.40 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 02:12.45 | Rallion | yah. |
| 02:12.58 | Rallion | on select servers. but it's not a short list. |
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| 02:14.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 02:14.38 | Rallion | migrating to new servers, I expect |
| 02:14.40 | Shirik | I saw my server on there |
| 02:14.43 | Shirik | didn't read what it was about |
| 02:14.49 | Shirik | but Drenden wasn't on there so I don't care much |
| 02:14.54 | Rallion | ah |
| 02:14.54 | Shirik | I don't play too much on Eredar lately |
| 02:15.13 | Rallion | I'll just catch up on some Wii. |
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| 02:16.26 | Shirik | Is Iriel around perchance? |
| 02:16.37 | sag_ich_nicht | probably. |
| 02:17.56 | Iriel | No, i'm not, this is a figment of your imagination |
| 02:18.06 | Iriel | Pay no attention to the night elf in the corner |
| 02:18.07 | sag_ich_nicht | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/10/2148253 victory. |
| 02:18.30 | Shirik | Iriel: Is there any good reason we don't have a geterrorhandler() ? |
| 02:18.39 | Shirik | (that you're aware of) |
| 02:18.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 02:18.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | this ace bug is driving me crazy |
| 02:19.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i'm forcibly logged out something in aceevents totally breaks and like half my addons don't work unless i relaunch wow |
| 02:19.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 02:19.36 | Iriel | Shirik: Hm, no specific reason I can think of, but do we need it? |
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| 02:20.01 | Shirik | well I think the only real reason I ask is because when I write an error handler and want to use it, I tend to not want to override any other error handler |
| 02:20.05 | Shirik | but rather I'd want to hook it |
| 02:20.35 | Shirik | Is it really necessary? Probably not, it just seems a bit odd that we have a seterrorhandler but not geterrorhandler |
| 02:20.39 | Iriel | I suspect the idea was that error handlers are more of a 'final destination' |
| 02:20.40 | Shirik | set and get usually go together :P |
| 02:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik just post a request already you gimp :P |
| 02:21.13 | Iriel | Err... |
| 02:21.16 | Iriel | we DO have geterrorhandler |
| 02:21.22 | sag_ich_nicht | lolwut |
| 02:21.23 | Shirik | you're kidding me |
| 02:21.29 | Shirik | omg we do |
| 02:21.32 | Shirik | since when... |
| 02:21.34 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 02:21.36 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.37 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.37 | Shirik | I SWEAR I looked for it |
| 02:21.41 | Shirik | I promise |
| 02:21.42 | Iriel | It's in 2.1.3 and 0.2.0 |
| 02:21.45 | Iriel | so it's not new |
| 02:21.45 | Shirik | (Yes I just /dumped it) |
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| 02:22.02 | Shirik | er.... thanks >.> |
| 02:22.26 | Shirik | This comes back from really 2.03 or whatever the first release was |
| 02:22.29 | Shirik | that's when I wanted to do this |
| 02:22.37 | Shirik | And that's when I looked so, well yey |
| 02:27.16 | MentalPower|Food | Shirik: FYI seterrorhandler is turned into a noop function by bugsack/buggrabber |
| 02:27.34 | Shirik | .... |
| 02:27.50 | Shirik | why. Just why. |
| 02:27.53 | Shirik | but w/e |
| 02:28.06 | MentalPower|Food | dunno, ask ckknight_ |
| 02:28.08 | Shirik | oh right, bugsack is that addon that disabled VFL, and thus RDX, a while ago! |
| 02:28.09 | Shirik | I remember now |
| 02:29.14 | Shirik | you don't mess with the global API, you just don't. Hook, maybe, but never stop it from doing its purpose |
| 02:29.57 | MentalPower|Food | don't look at me, I didn't do it |
| 02:30.03 | Shirik | I know, I'm just randomly ranting here |
| 02:32.57 | ckknight_ | Shirik: ask vhaarr |
| 02:33.12 | Shirik | I don't really care enough to ask; he did it, it's up to him |
| 02:33.16 | ckknight | in other news, is there a PvE US Alliance guild on the PTR? |
| 02:33.31 | ckknight | I believe it's to prevent another error handler from defeating BugGrabber's purpose |
| 02:34.49 | JoshBorke | so block all other error handlers? o.O |
| 02:49.45 | Cidan | I AM INVINCIBLE! |
| 02:49.55 | Cidan | Or so said the Russian before he died. |
| 02:57.25 | Bleeter | John Sedgewick? |
| 02:57.43 | Bleeter | "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist..." |
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| 03:10.07 | sioraiocht | hellooo? |
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| 03:13.16 | Shirik | Silviu-: hi? |
| 03:13.19 | Shirik | er, sioraiocht |
| 03:13.32 | sioraiocht | hahah sorry, wasn't sure i was connect |
| 03:13.33 | sioraiocht | ed |
| 03:13.37 | sioraiocht | i'm good now |
| 03:13.43 | Shirik | =P |
| 03:15.24 | sioraiocht | It's cladhaire's fault |
| 03:15.32 | cladhaire | k |
| 03:15.50 | sioraiocht | always is, imo |
| 03:16.02 | Shirik | I like that philosophy |
| 03:17.23 | sioraiocht | yeah |
| 03:17.29 | sioraiocht | works well for our relationship |
| 03:23.14 | Shirik | and I'm out |
| 03:23.15 | Shirik | take care |
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| 03:36.53 | EmosaurusRex | I was wondering if someone could help me out real fast with a piece of LUA code... :x |
| 03:37.14 | MentalPower | shoot |
| 03:38.27 | EmosaurusRex | Well, I'm used to object oriented languages,a dn I'm using WoW UI designer... I use the default layout. when the user clicks a button I want it take the text from an edit box and put it on a label |
| 03:39.02 | EmosaurusRex | and I get the feeling what I used was completely off... |
| 03:39.07 | MentalPower | Lua can be OO if you want |
| 03:39.17 | EmosaurusRex | ORLY? |
| 03:40.12 | MentalPower | http://www.wowwiki.com/Object_Oriented_Programming |
| 03:40.37 | EmosaurusRex | oh ty<3 |
| 03:41.08 | MentalPower | anyways, back to your question |
| 03:41.21 | EmosaurusRex | http://wowi.pastey.net/72045 if the solution is simple... if you could give me corrected code I would be much appreciated |
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| 03:44.01 | MentalPower | you should not have spaces in frame names |
| 03:44.06 | MentalPower | use _ instead |
| 03:45.02 | EmosaurusRex | the last part is the name of a frame? I had guessed that the last part was name of the control used... o.o haha |
| 03:45.54 | EmosaurusRex | tyvm. I think I got figured out. :D |
| 03:46.01 | MentalPower | http://wowi.pastey.net/72048 |
| 03:46.27 | MentalPower | you don't need getglobals if you already know the name of the frames |
| 03:47.10 | MentalPower | or even better http://wowi.pastey.net/72049 |
| 03:47.52 | EmosaurusRex | Good 'ol KISS :D |
| 03:47.56 | EmosaurusRex | I really do appreciate |
| 03:47.59 | EmosaurusRex | thank you very much |
| 03:48.13 | MentalPower | np, anytime |
| 03:51.00 | EmosaurusRex | Do you know of any sites with good LUA tutorials? Specifically with WoW API usage? |
| 03:52.11 | JoshBorke | www.wowwiki.com |
| 03:52.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~LUA |
| 03:52.49 | purl | hmm... lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. |
| 03:52.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 03:53.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | that wasnt what i was looking for |
| 03:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 03:54.15 | JoshBorke | ~wowlua |
| 03:54.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was looking for the "lua is not an acronym" thing |
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| 03:55.43 | JoshBorke | you mean LUA? |
| 03:55.52 | JoshBorke | he isn't here :-( |
| 03:55.57 | cogwheel | Lua |
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| 04:05.59 | cladhaire | he turned it off |
| 04:06.06 | cladhaire | didn't like that it responded without request |
| 04:06.23 | JoshBorke | he's also not here |
| 04:06.32 | MentalPower|Play | who? |
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| 04:06.52 | JoshBorke | i'm telling cairenn on you! |
| 04:06.53 | JoshBorke | meanie! |
| 04:06.58 | JoshBorke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 04:06.58 | purl | shoves a crumpet down cladhaire's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 04:07.04 | cladhaire | a crumpet? |
| 04:07.05 | cladhaire | really? |
| 04:07.07 | cladhaire | :P |
| 04:07.18 | JoshBorke | ding 20! i can blink now! |
| 04:07.29 | cladhaire | gz |
| 04:07.32 | JoshBorke | no more red eye! |
| 04:08.11 | Kirkburn | (20:02:43) [NewsBot]: WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/10/42-realms-down-for-48-hours/ |
| 04:10.39 | sioraiocht | i know |
| 04:10.40 | sioraiocht | why |
| 04:11.05 | Rallion | I'm on Arthas. Sad face. |
| 04:11.32 | sioraiocht | I'm on stormrage |
| 04:11.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | wheres that from, kirk? |
| 04:11.53 | Rallion | honestly, I don't care, I just like to complain. |
| 04:11.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | the newsbot :O |
| 04:12.05 | sioraiocht | Kirkburn: how's SF? |
| 04:12.06 | cladhaire | #wikipoopia |
| 04:12.16 | cladhaire | i.e. #wowwiki :P |
| 04:12.20 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 04:12.30 | JoshBorke | neither of my servers are on their |
| 04:12.35 | JoshBorke | that's good |
| 04:13.40 | Rallion | I have a bunch of other games to play...Resident Evil 4 extras, some Wii virtual console games, some PC games...but if they'd waited a few more weeks I'd have Metroid Prime 3 and Bioshock |
| 04:14.13 | sioraiocht | what'd he do? |
| 04:14.24 | sioraiocht | slut |
| 04:14.41 | Kirkburn | I was going to say I will lead you to the dangerous parts of Bristol too ... but you'd like that as well |
| 04:15.18 | cladhaire | heh |
| 04:15.18 | Kirkburn | Instead, I will have to settle for drowning you by the waterfront, or making you walk in a bike lane |
| 04:15.24 | cladhaire | ooh sweet |
| 04:15.36 | cladhaire | :P |
| 04:15.43 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: is a dirty dirty boy, you should punish him sioraiocht |
| 04:15.59 | sioraiocht | I can't, he'd probably like that, too =/ |
| 04:17.22 | sioraiocht | HAH! |
| 04:20.00 | JoshBorke | blinds? |
| 04:21.06 | Kirkburn | Cursing and blinding, google it' |
| 04:21.16 | Kirkburn | I should've done the non-gui update :/ |
| 04:21.27 | Kirkburn | The GUI is teh brokzor |
| 04:22.41 | JoshBorke | don't use the gui, guis suck |
| 04:26.02 | Bleeter | which version is the PTR on? |
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| 04:26.36 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: I'd be suprised if FC5 updates at all, pretty sure they turned all the repositories off (unless your vendor gave you a custom build) |
| 04:26.58 | Antiar1 | FC5 will be depricated before too long |
| 04:28.25 | Kirkburn | It came up with 750M of updates, so ... trying |
| 04:28.27 | Bleeter | I thought it already had been depricated |
| 04:28.33 | Kirkburn | It's not showing any update progress, I just assume it's doing stuff |
| 04:28.34 | Bleeter | given F7's released |
| 04:29.23 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: a halfway decent update/install GUI for FC5 is in the 'extras' repository, dunno if it's still available... but yeah, you'd be after 'yumex' |
| 04:30.05 | Kirkburn | I'm running "Software Updater" |
| 04:31.29 | Bleeter | fedora's own update tools blew goats until F7.. it's still a bit dodgy, but doesn't blow as bad as what it used to |
| 04:32.42 | Antiar1 | You can do an in-place upgrade from F5->F6, and then F6->F7 using yum |
| 04:32.44 | Antiar1 | Which is awesome |
| 04:34.42 | Kirkburn | That sounds scary |
| 04:34.45 | Bleeter | don't think I'd want to |
| 04:34.59 | Bleeter | inplace upgrades are always last resort stuff to me |
| 04:35.01 | Kirkburn | I think I'm 25% ish thru now |
| 04:35.28 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: don't forget to tell wiki about how many people pointed and laughed when you said FC5 ;) |
| 04:35.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 04:36.03 | Kirkburn | I'm trying to work out what the hell has/is biting me |
| 04:36.14 | Kirkburn | I have bit marks all over my lower legs |
| 04:36.36 | Bleeter | my guess is... tiny bitey things |
| 04:36.37 | ckknight | you sure you don't have byte marks instead? |
| 04:36.37 | Kirkburn | But I wear trousers, the apt. has netting, and there's no bugs! |
| 04:36.46 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 04:36.47 | Kirkburn | GROAN |
| 04:36.48 | Bleeter | Kirkburn has fleas! |
| 04:36.50 | Kirkburn | night JB |
| 04:36.52 | Bleeter | gnight JoshBorke |
| 04:37.06 | Bleeter | or maybe Kirkburn has really really tiny leeches |
| 04:39.49 | Kirkburn | Well, something in the bed is about the only possibility |
| 04:40.16 | Kirkburn | oh dear god, you may be right |
| 04:41.44 | Kirkburn | I just found two little bugs |
| 04:41.53 | Kirkburn | On my legs |
| 04:43.59 | Kirkburn | Great, I'm come here, and get fleas |
| 04:54.33 | ckknight | "I'm come here"? |
| 04:56.51 | Bleeter | ckknight: you *really* don't wanna know ;) |
| 04:59.19 | Rallion | my sleep pattern is all screwed up. bah. |
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| 05:02.25 | Rallion | and for the love of god I hate spiders |
| 05:02.44 | Rallion | especially fast ones like the one I can't catch right now |
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| 05:05.16 | Rallion | so now I have to go to sleep with an inch-diameter spider that can cover about 4 feet a second in here. i hate my life. |
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| 05:14.54 | Kirkburn | "I've come here", dammit |
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| 05:31.58 | ckknight | tisk tisk |
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| 06:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | woohoo |
| 06:25.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | got a tree mender's belt |
| 06:26.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/item-info.xml?i=29264 |
| 06:26.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :] |
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| 06:36.24 | Guillotine | Mr_Rabies2: I was lucky. Got that on my first run of heroic ramps XD |
| 06:37.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | took me two |
| 06:37.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've heard horror stories |
| 06:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | though |
| 06:37.18 | Guillotine | can anyone think of a way to get a cache of a table quickly and efficiently? I just want a small number to compare with another table so that I don't bother merging the 2 tables if they are the same |
| 06:40.08 | Guillotine | actually |
| 06:40.12 | Guillotine | how fast is a table compare |
| 06:40.17 | Guillotine | with HUGE tables |
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| 06:48.25 | End | what do you mean compare? |
| 06:48.29 | End | like comparing the contents? |
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| 06:54.16 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:54.39 | End | definitely not fast |
| 07:32.08 | Iriel | How volatile are the tables? |
| 07:32.21 | Guillotine | volatile? |
| 07:32.27 | Iriel | How often do they change |
| 07:32.46 | Guillotine | if they are different, they will be merged. otherwise, they won't change |
| 07:32.51 | Iriel | and are they both local or are they in different players' environments |
| 07:33.08 | Guillotine | they start out in different players' environments, but are sent to the other player |
| 07:33.36 | Iriel | Is your desire for a 'cache' to avoid sending them if they're unchanged? |
| 07:33.42 | Guillotine | sorry, I meant hash |
| 07:33.49 | Guillotine | I keep saying cache instead of hash today >< |
| 07:34.08 | Guillotine | but yes, the reason for a hash is so that the table is not sent if the two tables are equal anyway |
| 07:34.43 | Iriel | what are the keys in the table? |
| 07:35.01 | Guillotine | example table: http://guillotine.pastey.net/72052 |
| 07:35.11 | Guillotine | keys are based on the creation date/time of the entry |
| 07:35.37 | Iriel | are the keys going to be unique across players? |
| 07:36.04 | Guillotine | the idea behind having them go down the the second and an additional random number is that there will be no duplicate keys, even across players |
| 07:36.21 | Iriel | I wonder if the datestamp plus player name would be better |
| 07:36.46 | Iriel | ah, but you want it numeric |
| 07:36.47 | Guillotine | currently I was just doing it via numbers to make it easier to sort |
| 07:37.07 | Iriel | well, if you expand year to 4 digits you can sort normally too |
| 07:37.17 | Iriel | or I suppose 2 digits these days |
| 07:37.35 | Guillotine | right, its at 2 digits b/c I doubt this addon will be used until 2100 ;) |
| 07:37.58 | Iriel | of course, that kind of thinking caused the Y2K problems |
| 07:38.31 | Guillotine | then people who use this addon the week of january 1st 2100 will have problems |
| 07:38.36 | Guillotine | (it purges items over a week old) |
| 07:41.43 | Iriel | I wonder if you store them by player name, then you could send <name>,<first>,<last>,<count> for each player you have |
| 07:42.18 | Iriel | then if you have a player that doesn't match, send just the keys from the 'receiver' and then the 'sender' responds with any missing entries. |
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| 08:05.44 | Guillotine | Iriel: might work, except that its possible that there is an entry inbetween that A has but B doesn't and visa versa |
| 08:05.50 | Guillotine | and then they never merge |
| 08:06.05 | Iriel | Well, you'd have to be careful about the order you sync data from one player |
| 08:06.34 | Iriel | if I imagine your usage correctly, you should be able to engineer a situation in which you never have 'gaps' |
| 08:06.43 | Iriel | (i..e you always sync from oldest to newest) |
| 08:06.59 | Guillotine | hmm. perhaps I understood what you said incorrectly then |
| 08:07.19 | Guillotine | what do you mean by <first>,<last>,<count>? |
| 08:07.36 | Guillotine | do you mean the first entry key, the last entry key, the number of entries? |
| 08:07.40 | Iriel | yes |
| 08:08.54 | Guillotine | heres the problem. Person A may have keys 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 and Person B may have 2,3,4,5,6,8,9. They receive 2,9,7 which is correct for both |
| 08:09.00 | Guillotine | yet each has something the other needs |
| 08:09.37 | Iriel | Indeed, but you should be able to engineer it so that a person doesnt have 'gaps' |
| 08:09.43 | Iriel | for the data from a given other person |
| 08:10.08 | Guillotine | only way to do that would be to send a list of keys |
| 08:10.21 | Guillotine | in which case it might as well just request missing keys |
| 08:10.34 | Iriel | it depends, I imagined you could group the keys based on who they came from |
| 08:11.13 | Iriel | So the simple case where I'm getting only your entries, I'd always get them in the same order sequentially, so i'd never have any gaps in my data |
| 08:11.54 | Iriel | (This breaks if i'm allowed to forget or delete records, so maybe it's not a valid scenario) |
| 08:12.16 | Guillotine | well, yes you are |
| 08:12.26 | Guillotine | but people aren't only going to be receiving data from the person that created it |
| 08:12.32 | Iriel | Right |
| 08:12.42 | Iriel | But this is where it gets sneaky or crazy, depending on how you look at it |
| 08:12.57 | Iriel | Suppose Tem here syncs with me... |
| 08:13.17 | Iriel | I know there aren't any gaps in the data I copied from you (I may not haev it all, but what I do have is a contiguous range) |
| 08:13.32 | Iriel | So when I sync with Tem, I can guarantee the same thing for him, he gets a contiguous range of your entries always |
| 08:13.36 | Iriel | so he has no gaps |
| 08:14.14 | Guillotine | the problem is that it isn't a contiguous range |
| 08:14.32 | Guillotine | there could be an entry in the middle of there held only by someone offline |
| 08:14.51 | Iriel | Well, in my imagined scenario there can't be... |
| 08:15.01 | Iriel | each "range" is for the records of a specific 'author' |
| 08:15.12 | Iriel | so if you're synchronizing entries from 5 people, you'd sync 5 ranges |
| 08:15.22 | Iriel | so I may be missing some records from the whole, but for each 'author' there's no gaps |
| 08:15.33 | Guillotine | ah, I see what you mean |
| 08:16.26 | Iriel | I'm really not sure if this is a viable approach for you, but it may be a worthwhile way of thinking about it... namely, can you devise a scheme that lets you make SOME guarantees about what each person knows |
| 08:17.17 | Guillotine | its an idea, but then I have problems with someone using multiple computers |
| 08:17.26 | Guillotine | with different saved variables |
| 08:18.16 | Iriel | Yes, thats true. |
| 08:27.18 | Guillotine | well, I'm starting to get really tired so I'm going to go to bed. Maybe an idea will come to me while I sleep :P |
| 08:27.56 | Iriel | there are a number of algorithms for this kind of thing |
| 08:27.58 | Iriel | But they generally require you have a decent cryptographic hash algorithm like MD5 or SHA1 |
| 08:28.47 | Guillotine | right. I was thinking about using djb2 (thats what I tend to use for WoW things since its relatively simple), but I think simply adding the keys together may be sufficient |
| 08:28.58 | Bleeter | madness, can fly direct from auberdine to talendris point, but from auberdine to forest song is via astranaar |
| 08:29.06 | Bleeter | WTB: [Taxi API] |
| 08:29.25 | Iriel | The problem with really simple hashes is that they're not necessarily good for this kind of things |
| 08:29.45 | Iriel | Bleeter: Bah, dont talk to me about auberdine flight paths, as a long time night elf I know they all suck |
| 08:29.56 | Guillotine | hehe. so true |
| 08:30.04 | Guillotine | Iriel: why wouldn't a simple hash be good for this? |
| 08:30.23 | Bleeter | Iriel: I'm just blown away by the... stupidity isn't the right word.. insanity, neither... the <something> of the Forest Song FP |
| 08:30.39 | Bleeter | but yes, they have sucked long time |
| 08:31.04 | Iriel | Guillotine: It depends on the algorithm, but "good for hash bucket assignment" isn't always the same as "good for detecting changes in large data sets".. It's really a matter of the probability of collisions |
| 08:32.42 | Guillotine | Iriel: I think the probability of collisions here is VERY small. And if there is a collision, the worst case is that the data won't update until one of the people gets new data |
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| 08:36.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the graphics reset command? |
| 08:37.18 | Iriel | Hm, /script RestartGX() I think |
| 08:37.53 | Bleeter | What is it that you are trying to do? Perhaps you don't really want to |
| 08:37.58 | Bleeter | gah |
| 08:38.00 | Bleeter | soz |
| 08:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ewll |
| 08:38.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 08:38.07 | Bleeter | wrong # |
| 08:38.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ground disappeared |
| 08:38.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what i'm trying to do :P |
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| 08:40.35 | Corrodias | disappearing ground, eh |
| 08:40.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now my monitor just went black |
| 08:40.44 | Corrodias | when that happens to me, i have to reboot or it'll keep happening |
| 08:41.02 | Punkie` | Corrodias: Likewise |
| 08:42.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully my video card didn't just shit itself |
| 08:43.13 | Punkie` | nah, it happens |
| 08:44.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had to hard restart |
| 08:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause the video cut out while i was beginning to type gxrestart |
| 08:46.27 | Bleeter | actually, seeing iriel's here... might run this by him |
| 08:48.15 | Bleeter | Iriel: Am trying to come up with a way to detect certain conditions on an item before attempting to DE it. EG, quality as well as soulbound state. I've spoken to norgs and MP about this before, and I seem to recall them saying can only hook the return from DE |
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| 08:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | welcome back, desktop |
| 08:48.56 | Bleeter | Iriel: thus, there's no way to implement, for example, the 'COnfirm Delete' dialog like what we get when destroying a Blue quality item, when attempting to DE same |
| 08:49.35 | Bleeter | given that in both cases, this Blue item is being destroyed, I'm ... erm.. yeah, hoping you or someone else reading this can come up with some method |
| 08:49.39 | Guillotine | well disenchanting works the same as any other cast, doesn't it? e.g. not being hookable/stoppable |
| 08:50.33 | Bleeter | that's what I was thinking, but just wanted to make sure |
| 08:50.40 | Iriel | Can you simply intercept the action buttons instead? |
| 08:51.01 | Iriel | hm, though making it item conditional is likely impossible. hm. |
| 08:51.06 | Bleeter | so yeah |
| 08:51.16 | Guillotine | oooo. you could cover up all items you don't want to d/e with frames that absorb the clicks |
| 08:51.24 | Guillotine | when you click disenchant |
| 08:51.40 | Iriel | Actually no, you can subvert the item button.. can't you? |
| 08:51.53 | Iriel | You can't stop DE from being cast, but you can stop the item button from being selected |
| 08:52.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a macro for /cast [button:2] Disenchant; Enchanting, so i kinda have to try to de stuff :p |
| 08:52.25 | Bleeter | given the dialog on destruction of a blue item, and it doesn't throw the same dialog when you DE an item, and the DE tooltip says 'item will be destroyed'.. is this a bug? |
| 08:52.32 | Bleeter | Iriel: interesting thought |
| 08:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleeter, it's not a bug so much as unintended behavior, or they just havent gotten around to implementing it |
| 08:53.19 | Bleeter | and, given the preferred operation would probably be protect against soulbound items being DE'd too... is it not a bug, but a suggestion? |
| 08:53.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | or they intend it to be that way |
| 08:54.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | personally i'd like to be able to skip typing delete when i wanna throw something out that's not de/sellable :[ |
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| 08:56.13 | Bleeter | Chardonnay: heh, you missed the convo :P |
| 08:56.33 | Corrodias | personally, i'd like to not have to LOOT the mats when i DE something |
| 08:56.42 | Corrodias | it would be a lot faster to just have it automatically added to my inventory |
| 08:56.50 | Iriel | Corrodias: You should be able to make it auto-loot |
| 08:57.03 | Corrodias | from what i've heard, that only works for the first time and then doesn't work again |
| 08:57.10 | Corrodias | although even then i don't know how to turn that on |
| 08:57.14 | Bleeter | most of the time, for me, auto-loot (from the interface options) on DE works most of the time, not all of the time |
| 08:57.18 | Iriel | Corrodias: Even if you script it yourself? |
| 08:57.48 | Bleeter | mind you, same happens with world drops. mostly works, sometimes doesn't (usually when I'm real busy trying not to die but get the quest drop) |
| 08:57.53 | Corrodias | while i know enough about lua to make modifications to some addons, i really wouldn't know where to start on something like that. |
| 08:59.00 | Chardonnay | i have the auto-loot working on enchantrix-trunk. what i'm looking at now is how to block already-soundbound items from being prompted for (have to put up a prompt because the spellcast has to be from a SecureActionButton) |
| 08:59.17 | zenzelezz | load up devtools and check which events happen when you DE something :-p |
| 08:59.25 | Bleeter | ~devtools |
| 08:59.26 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 08:59.32 | Iriel | I suggested that rather than trying to block the spellcast, you try and stop the item selection |
| 09:00.14 | Iriel | I'm not sure if it'll work but it's worth a try |
| 09:00.59 | Chardonnay | i can't intercept the item selection from the spellcast. it takes an itemlink or a bag/slot and can't be hooked |
| 09:01.01 | Corrodias | is this autoloot option only applicable to DE's or does it also autoloot corpses? |
| 09:01.30 | Bleeter | Corrodias: Interface Options>Basic>Auto Loot Corpse ? |
| 09:01.49 | Chardonnay | on LOOT_OPENED LootItem(1) |
| 09:01.52 | Corrodias | that doesn't sound much like DE autolooting to me |
| 09:02.04 | Bleeter | Corrodias: it works, mostly |
| 09:02.22 | Bleeter | has the occasional bug out though, just as it does for me when looting bodies |
| 09:02.33 | Corrodias | i think i'll have to take the solution of doing it Iriel's and Chardonnay's way. i definitely do NOT want to autoloot corpses. |
| 09:03.04 | Bleeter | ohh, sorry.. I thought that's what you were after.. lol. I feel sooo stupid >< |
| 09:04.31 | Chardonnay | my autoloot only kicks in if i did the CastSpellByName("Disenchant") |
| 09:05.09 | Bleeter | nice |
| 09:05.52 | Corrodias | i don't understand! |
| 09:08.02 | Chardonnay | ok... i added a thingy to enchantrix that watches BAG_UPDATE and looks for disenchantable items. if it sees one, it brings up a prompt to disenchant the first item it finds. if "yes" it disenchants and autoloots. all i want it to do now is NOT prompt for items that are already soulbound (because it nearly did that just now on a rather valuable item :P) |
| 09:09.12 | zenzelezz | sounds like one of our ZG runs... "huh, nexuses?" |
| 09:12.38 | Chardonnay | there must be something available to the client, or it wouldn't know if boe items are already bound or not |
| 09:12.49 | Chardonnay | question is whether the api exposes that |
| 09:13.00 | Iriel | Tooltip |
| 09:13.03 | zenzelezz | isn't it only the tooltip that knows? |
| 09:14.16 | Corrodias | TBag can sort items by their soulbound status |
| 09:14.49 | Guillotine | just scans the tooltip I believe |
| 09:15.38 | zenzelezz | ever noticed that any time you link an item bound to you and you click your own link, it'll only say "Binds of pinkup"? |
| 09:15.49 | zenzelezz | there's just no info floating around about boundness AFAIK |
| 09:16.07 | Iriel | Boundness isn't encoded in the item link, IIRC |
| 09:16.16 | Iriel | it's just something the game knows about YOUR version of an item |
| 09:16.40 | zenzelezz | that's sort of what I was getting at, in muddier language |
| 09:17.28 | Iriel | Which does imply that the item isn't actually bound to you, its' more that you're bound to the item |
| 09:18.40 | zenzelezz | I'd say it's that that particular item's unique ID (not database ID) is locked to your char, but item links don't have those unique IDs |
| 09:19.05 | Iriel | Also entirely possible |
| 09:19.12 | zenzelezz | then again I've never worked much with databases past the select * from test; level |
| 09:19.26 | Iriel | Just depends how their items are represented in the DB |
| 09:19.34 | zenzelezz | true |
| 09:22.47 | Chardonnay | tbag does it by tooltip scanning it seems, yes |
| 09:30.57 | art3mis | 20 20 20 24 hours to go |
| 09:31.01 | art3mis | i wanna be sedated |
| 09:31.06 | art3mis | nothing to do no where to go |
| 09:31.10 | art3mis | i wanna be sedated |
| 09:31.17 | zenzelezz | 84 hours? |
| 09:31.18 | Bleeter | put me on a wheelchair 'n get me outta here |
| 09:32.20 | art3mis | ive decided that my goal as a self employed person in new york city is to get a loft on Joey Ramone Place |
| 09:32.32 | art3mis | because that is possibly the raddest address evah |
| 09:32.54 | zenzelezz | what's special about it? |
| 09:33.24 | art3mis | the name |
| 09:33.30 | art3mis | duh |
| 09:33.39 | art3mis | its a whole block in the village |
| 09:33.48 | zenzelezz | doesn't ring any bells for me :-o |
| 09:34.30 | art3mis | joey ramone == the ramones == i wanna be sedated, blitzkreig bop, rock and roll high school, thousands of other great songs, one of the first great punk bands in america |
| 09:34.41 | art3mis | you've never heard the ramones? |
| 09:34.57 | zenzelezz | in passing, I think |
| 09:34.58 | art3mis | for shame! |
| 09:35.09 | zenzelezz | American punk isn't all that big over here |
| 09:35.16 | art3mis | hey ho, let's go, hey ho lets go |
| 09:35.24 | art3mis | still |
| 09:35.32 | art3mis | the ramones are world famous ;) |
| 09:35.46 | Bleeter | kids of today |
| 09:35.46 | zenzelezz | world famous in America maybe :-p |
| 09:35.59 | art3mis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ramones |
| 09:36.02 | art3mis | nope |
| 09:36.12 | art3mis | you're just a heathen zen ;P |
| 09:36.13 | Bleeter | pretty sure they were famous in Europe, too |
| 09:36.18 | art3mis | yeah they were |
| 09:36.22 | Bleeter | I think zen's just showing his age ;) |
| 09:36.27 | Bleeter | or lack of it! =) |
| 09:36.33 | art3mis | and china and japan and most of europe and russia and south america |
| 09:36.49 | art3mis | thats like claiming you've never heard of iggy pop |
| 09:37.12 | zenzelezz | only remember one of his songs |
| 09:37.13 | Bleeter | or sid vicious, or johnny rotten |
| 09:37.20 | zenzelezz | because of a commercial |
| 09:37.37 | Bleeter | tho, some days, i wish I'd never heard Johnny Rotten |
| 09:38.54 | art3mis | The Ramones' first British concert was held on July 4, 1976. Fans in attendance included members of various early British punk bands including the Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Clash, and the Sex Pistols[40], all of whom were just starting out. Likewise, early Ramones concerts in California inspired early California punk groups like Black Flag, the Dead Kennedys[41], Bad Religion[42], and Social Distortion.[43] |
| 09:39.09 | art3mis | heh johnny rotten |
| 09:39.11 | art3mis | PiL! |
| 09:39.37 | Bleeter | Jah Wobble > Johnny Rotten... any day |
| 09:39.46 | art3mis | im going to reccomend you be banned from the channel if you say you've never heard of any of those bands ;P |
| 09:39.51 | art3mis | zen |
| 09:40.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:40.14 | Bleeter | hmmm, social distortion is unfamiliar to me |
| 09:40.21 | art3mis | for some reason im on a big acdc kick these days |
| 09:40.41 | Bleeter | they named a street in Melbourne Australia after them, iirc |
| 09:40.45 | art3mis | they were the punk version of the smiths for lack of a better way to describe them |
| 09:40.49 | zenzelezz | heard the name Dead Kennedys, slightly familiar with Sex Pistols, and far too familiar with Bad Religion (stupid brother...) |
| 09:41.08 | art3mis | less speed punk like bad religion and more power chords and gritty lyrics |
| 09:41.21 | art3mis | pretty good music though |
| 09:41.26 | Bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACDC_Lane,_Melbourne |
| 09:41.40 | art3mis | thats so awesome |
| 09:41.46 | Bleeter | I recall hearing an early interview with Metallica 'All we wanna do, is play AC/DC at Motorhead speed' |
| 09:41.54 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 09:42.02 | art3mis | no one beats motorhead |
| 09:42.10 | Bleeter | no one beats lemme |
| 09:42.14 | art3mis | seeing them live is one of my concert highlights |
| 09:42.21 | art3mis | the moles are HUGE in person |
| 09:42.32 | art3mis | its like tis a 5 person band |
| 09:43.04 | art3mis | who would win in a fight between lemmy and god? TRICK QUESTION !!! Lemmy IS God |
| 09:43.04 | Bleeter | scene: donnington monsters of rock. some band just quit the stage due to stuff being thrown at them. lemme and motorhead come out, lemme says 'next person who throws something up here is gunna be messing with me'.. nothing thrown for rest of the event |
| 09:43.08 | Bleeter | or so the story goes |
| 09:43.25 | art3mis | hah |
| 09:43.46 | art3mis | saw morbid angel, motorhead and some other crappy bands |
| 09:43.52 | art3mis | was a great show |
| 09:44.21 | art3mis | there was this guy at it that me and my friend kept pushing into the pit and he kept getting thrashed and would come out super pissed |
| 09:44.40 | art3mis | he was dressed like sebastian bach in the "popular days" of skid row |
| 09:44.42 | Bleeter | hmm, in barrens chat I'd been countering chuck norris stuff with 'bruce campbell > cn'.. I guess I should really counter with 'Lemmy > All' |
| 09:44.53 | art3mis | yes...you should |
| 09:45.05 | art3mis | Lemmy's mole could kill chuck |
| 09:45.30 | Bleeter | man, if I were at a metal gig, and saw someone looking like bach back then... I'd do more than throw them back in to the pit |
| 09:45.46 | art3mis | oh man it wazs great! |
| 09:45.52 | art3mis | he had these cowboy boots one |
| 09:46.11 | art3mis | so he'd get pushed in floudner around get hit a few times fall get hit get up fall scramble out |
| 09:46.26 | art3mis | it was like he just wasnt sure where he was supposed to be |
| 09:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | woohoo |
| 09:58.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | back up to 2000g |
| 09:58.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was slacking on my dailies and losing money |
| 09:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 09:58.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i just did two days worth |
| 10:00.04 | nevcairiel | that reminds me .. |
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| 10:01.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | also sold some junk on the AH |
| 10:01.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | been slacking on all that stuff |
| 10:01.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | been logging in to raid kara then logging off |
| 10:02.12 | art3mis | nev eats daisies! |
| 10:05.47 | art3mis | nev go look at wowace and make that addon ;P |
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| 11:34.28 | N00bZXI | Question: Would it be best to avoid 'for k,v in pairs(table) do [code] end' in an OnUpdate? |
| 11:36.17 | Chardonnay | if it doesn't need to be done every frame, yes :) |
| 11:37.02 | N00bZXI | It's being run twice every second |
| 11:37.20 | N00bZXI | I'm really not sure how it'll affect performance |
| 11:37.27 | Chardonnay | depends what [code] is really |
| 11:37.40 | Chardonnay | and the size of the table |
| 11:39.14 | N00bZXI | table size is all spells that are on cooldown, checks if they're ready or no |
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| 11:46.23 | N00bZXI | Another question: Is there any event that runs when a spell's cooldown is complete? |
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| 11:54.41 | [dRaCo] | dont think so |
| 12:04.21 | Chardonnay | no but you can tell what cooldown is left |
| 12:04.38 | Chardonnay | when you scan, so you know when to scan again |
| 12:11.22 | zenzelezz | cooldowns could be terminated prematurely though |
| 12:11.33 | zenzelezz | like with that hunter Survival talent |
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| 12:31.45 | N00bZXI | Question: Since SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires twice after any spell is cast, would it be better to just check cooldowns 0.1 seconds after rather than parse twice? |
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| 13:17.54 | wereHamster | N00bZXI, twice within the same frame? you could set a flag that SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN has been fired and then check cooldowns in the OnUpdate callback |
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| 13:44.28 | N00bZXI | wereHamster: Did exactly that. Thanks |
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| 14:19.10 | Industrial | how does pet food scale with pet level? |
| 14:19.49 | Industrial | I dont feel like wasting 6 slots for different kinds of meat, and the possibility ill run out of it, so I want to buy stacks |
| 14:20.05 | Industrial | but not too low cause it will be harder to keep the pet happy |
| 14:20.22 | zenzelezz | scale how? |
| 14:20.40 | Industrial | when your pet levels t will outgrow kinds of food |
| 14:20.48 | Industrial | eg Tough Jerky |
| 14:21.18 | Industrial | youll get a message its too low |
| 14:21.25 | Industrial | I was wondering how to find the right food |
| 14:21.32 | zenzelezz | item level 55 food seems to work on my 70 pet, but not be its favorite |
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| 14:58.27 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.27 | Wobin | Industrial: Just buy two stacks of your own level meat |
| 14:58.27 | Industrial | :o |
| 14:58.27 | Wobin | like at the butcher, or innkeeper |
| 14:58.27 | zenzelezz | Meat Vendor in SHattrath (Lower City) has all you need of meat |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | all meat has 'levels' |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | you know, must be level XX to eat |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | ps best day ever =) |
| 14:58.28 | Industrial | Tough Jerky doesnt :D |
| 14:58.28 | Industrial | why |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | \O/ |
| 14:58.28 | zenzelezz | yes, and the meat vendor in Shattrath sells 35 happiness mean IIRC |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | cause it's the lowest level food around |
| 14:58.28 | zenzelezz | for a 70 pet |
| 14:58.28 | Industrial | no, why is it the best day |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | oh |
| 14:58.28 | Industrial | :) |
| 14:58.28 | Wobin | Mech run: Beastlord helm |
| 14:58.37 | Wobin | SV run: Gun + BEastlord shoulders |
| 14:58.45 | Wobin | SL run: Gun + Sonic Spear |
| 14:58.54 | Industrial | ;o |
| 14:58.58 | Wobin | full of win =) |
| 14:59.07 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 14:59.08 | Wobin | I'm now 4/5 BL set |
| 14:59.15 | zenzelezz | but I thought the SV gun was too fast? |
| 14:59.18 | Wobin | It is =( |
| 14:59.19 | zenzelezz | or was it the SL one |
| 14:59.25 | Wobin | The SL one |
| 14:59.31 | Wobin | the SV one is just about right |
| 14:59.38 | Wobin | and it looks cool =) |
| 15:00.21 | Wobin | now all I'm after is the telescopic sharprifle from MEch |
| 15:00.25 | Wobin | along with the abacus |
| 15:07.56 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.59 | Industrial | whats wrong with that? |
| 15:08.12 | Industrial | I get "your target is dead" |
| 15:08.15 | Industrial | want to revive |
| 15:09.28 | zenzelezz | not positive, but try [pet,nodead] |
| 15:09.47 | Industrial | k |
| 15:10.08 | zenzelezz | I think [pet] sort of still exists while it's dead but the part frame still shows it |
| 15:10.48 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:10.50 | Wobin | pet,nodead |
| 15:10.59 | Wobin | why not use FuzzyLogic? |
| 15:11.02 | Wobin | It still works |
| 15:11.25 | [dRaCo] | does mend pet require a target? |
| 15:11.29 | Wobin | nope |
| 15:11.35 | Wobin | since it's only ever cast on your pet |
| 15:12.01 | zenzelezz | but if you ditch the [pet] part you'd get "You have no pet." if you didn't have an active pet |
| 15:12.20 | Wobin | yeah, but one assumes he won't hit it if he has no need to |
| 15:12.49 | Wobin | That's why I suggested FuzzyLogic |
| 15:12.55 | Wobin | one button for just about everything |
| 15:14.05 | Wobin | bah, 48 hour downtime =( |
| 15:14.13 | zenzelezz | on what? |
| 15:16.15 | Wobin | us servers |
| 15:16.20 | Wobin | What city is in PDT? |
| 15:16.28 | Shirik | san francisco |
| 15:16.41 | Shirik | los angeles |
| 15:16.44 | Shirik | vegas |
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| 15:17.53 | Industrial | I use one macro for call/dismiss and one for revive/mend |
| 15:18.17 | Industrial | and one for attack/callback |
| 15:18.30 | Industrial | wich is too handy to direct mobs :P |
| 15:18.31 | Shirik | how did you manage that last one? |
| 15:18.56 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.03 | Shirik | ah |
| 15:19.07 | Shirik | interesting |
| 15:19.39 | Industrial | should be like that in the default interface keybinding for pet attack imo, because your own attack is a toggle too |
| 15:19.55 | Industrial | i have mine on q, pet on S-q |
| 15:19.56 | [dRaCo] | can you put macros in your pet bar? |
| 15:21.59 | Industrial | no |
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| 15:22.35 | Wobin | you can rebind the pet hotkeys to your own though if necessary |
| 15:22.38 | Wobin | damnit |
| 15:22.52 | Wobin | the 48hour downtime starts at 5pm on tuesday |
| 15:22.58 | Industrial | eep |
| 15:23.06 | Wobin | for us, anyway |
| 15:24.15 | Industrial | ding 19 |
| 15:28.24 | Wobin | Will Indy make it to 40? |
| 15:28.33 | Wobin | Will he finally have a toon that hits 60? |
| 15:28.40 | Wobin | Could he possibly make 70? |
| 15:28.56 | Wobin | All this and more, same Industrial channel, Same Industrial Time |
| 15:31.09 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 15:31.19 | Industrial | Wobin: I did set up some rules for myself tho |
| 15:31.34 | Industrial | im going by seinfeldian calender |
| 15:31.42 | Wobin | o.O |
| 15:31.53 | Industrial | also, I spend 75% playing and 25% coding |
| 15:32.04 | Shirik | weak |
| 15:32.07 | Shirik | do more coding |
| 15:32.08 | Wobin | what calender? |
| 15:32.11 | Industrial | this is not precise as im too lazy to calc or manage time |
| 15:32.25 | Industrial | the seinfeldian claender works like this |
| 15:32.34 | Industrial | you have a big calender showing the year |
| 15:32.46 | Industrial | you mark every day you did whatever you are keeping track of |
| 15:32.53 | Industrial | it becomes a chain |
| 15:33.01 | Industrial | just dont break the chain |
| 15:33.05 | Industrial | its a game |
| 15:33.06 | Industrial | ;D |
| 15:33.17 | Wobin | so if you skip a day, you have to wait a week? |
| 15:33.27 | Industrial | no, you odnt skip a day. |
| 15:33.38 | Wobin | riiight |
| 15:33.45 | Wobin | so really, it's just "play every single day" |
| 15:34.03 | Industrial | I do that anyway |
| 15:34.15 | Industrial | its "work on clearing quests from the guide in order every day" |
| 15:34.37 | Industrial | lets see if it works |
| 15:34.44 | Industrial | 4 days and counting ^^ |
| 15:35.14 | Industrial | im also constrainingmyself to 2 chars, one for ah and one for leveling, and one server. |
| 15:35.21 | Industrial | until I get 70 |
| 15:35.36 | Wobin | kk, don't burn out =P |
| 15:35.52 | Wobin | anyway |
| 15:35.54 | Wobin | night all! =) |
| 15:35.58 | Industrial | nn! |
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| 15:41.23 | Industrial | haste: SM is making me like eurobeat/parapara >_> this is not good. |
| 15:41.34 | Industrial | I just started listening to the parapara tag on last.fm and I like it ._< |
| 15:41.42 | haste | :D |
| 15:41.56 | haste | your taste of music will become like mine! |
| 15:41.59 | haste | everything goes |
| 15:42.02 | Industrial | onoz |
| 15:42.13 | Industrial | in a while ill be spamming the IOSYS all over the place |
| 15:42.19 | Industrial | im amazed last.fm has iosys |
| 15:42.36 | haste | lol |
| 15:42.42 | haste | listening to SYNC.ART'S atm |
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| 15:50.00 | Industrial | lol |
| 15:50.03 | Industrial | <GOT TABARD> |
| 15:54.31 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:54.40 | zenzelezz | that does seem to be a lot of lowbies' only requirement |
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| 15:56.23 | Industrial | in AO they had social armor, clothes |
| 15:56.26 | Industrial | and fashion shops |
| 15:56.45 | Industrial | every noob you'd give some creds would blow it all on useless crap |
| 15:56.49 | Industrial | >_o |
| 15:57.05 | zenzelezz | to be very specific |
| 15:57.19 | zenzelezz | "social armor" was a special type of armor you couldn't wear with any other armor items |
| 15:57.23 | zenzelezz | like Grid Armor |
| 15:57.27 | Industrial | yea |
| 15:57.37 | zenzelezz | or smurf suit, whichever |
| 15:58.17 | Industrial | hmm, I liked how your run speed became insane on ao, and jump height |
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| 16:00.09 | zenzelezz | same |
| 16:00.13 | zenzelezz | I was a fixer, had 2300 runspeed |
| 16:00.16 | Industrial | need that in wow. |
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| 16:00.29 | zenzelezz | and fixer grid :-( |
| 16:00.35 | Industrial | maybe something like from daoc (there I go again). getting skills as rewards for pvp |
| 16:00.46 | Industrial | (eg run speed buff) |
| 16:01.57 | zenzelezz | GSF plz |
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| 16:29.53 | Industrial | 10k to grind to 20 |
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| 16:38.22 | Josh_Borke | did you have fun at blizzcon? |
| 16:38.28 | Cairenn | I had a blast |
| 16:38.33 | Cairenn | missed you guys though |
| 16:38.38 | Josh_Borke | we missed you too :_D |
| 16:39.20 | Cairenn | I'm completely exhausted, I've got a blinding migraine, but it was worth it |
| 16:40.02 | Industrial | haste: http://www.storyhour.org/Pictures/Flash/alleycat.swf |
| 16:40.04 | Industrial | lol. |
| 16:40.05 | Cairenn | the migraine is making trying to figure out my write up interesting though ;) |
| 16:40.23 | Josh_Borke | i'd rest until the migraine went away if i were you ;-P |
| 16:40.33 | Shirik | wb Cairenn |
| 16:40.37 | haste | ancient Industrial :3 |
| 16:40.38 | Cairenn | thanks Shirik |
| 16:40.43 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:41.07 | Industrial | haste: :< </3 digg |
| 16:41.12 | haste | :D |
| 16:41.19 | Industrial | indeed, made in 04 it says on the end |
| 16:41.21 | Industrial | bah |
| 16:43.00 | Cairenn | awwww, poor kitty :(((( |
| 16:49.08 | zenzelezz | how unfair of you to sneak back on in the middle of a heroic run Cairenn |
| 16:49.41 | Shirik | can you resist periodic damage? |
| 16:49.53 | zenzelezz | periodic as in what, DoTs? |
| 16:49.56 | Shirik | ya |
| 16:49.58 | Shirik | like each tick |
| 16:49.59 | zenzelezz | believe so |
| 16:50.23 | Shirik | but they don't crit ya? |
| 16:50.52 | zenzelezz | not as far as I've ever noticed at least |
| 16:51.22 | Shirik | I've never seen either so :/ |
| 16:51.45 | zenzelezz | having trouble with some analysis? |
| 16:52.05 | Shirik | just trying to touch up conspiracy's events handler |
| 16:54.12 | zenzelezz | when is it we're getting the new combat log stuff? |
| 16:54.14 | Josh_Borke | 2.4 |
| 16:54.17 | zenzelezz | lol Cairenn |
| 16:54.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:54] <zenzelezz> when is it we're getting the new combat log stuff? <--new combat log stuff? |
| 16:54.44 | sag_ich_nicht | link! |
| 16:54.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64418 |
| 16:55.05 | Shirik | 2.4 |
| 16:55.08 | zenzelezz | unique IDs for mobs so you don't have to guess which Hellhound you're taking damage from |
| 16:55.09 | zenzelezz | etc |
| 16:55.09 | Shirik | :( Josh_Borke wins |
| 16:55.10 | Josh_Borke | you guys are slow :-P |
| 16:55.11 | Cairenn | sweeeeet new combat log stuff |
| 16:55.21 | Josh_Borke | their decisions really interest me |
| 16:55.29 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 16:55.29 | Shirik | I hate a lot of them |
| 16:55.30 | Shirik | but oh well |
| 16:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | sweet. |
| 16:55.39 | Josh_Borke | because of the implications they have |
| 16:55.41 | Cairenn | and have you guys checked out the UI tool yet? /drool |
| 16:55.43 | Shirik | the combat log change I like |
| 16:55.47 | zenzelezz | UI tool? |
| 16:55.53 | Cairenn | same link |
| 16:55.56 | Josh_Borke | no, no one made screenshots |
| 16:56.12 | Cairenn | it's live |
| 16:56.23 | Josh_Borke | eh? |
| 16:56.31 | Cairenn | sec, getting link |
| 16:56.52 | Shirik | is it for GUI development? |
| 16:57.04 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 16:57.07 | Kaydeethree | worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 16:57.08 | Shirik | meh |
| 16:57.08 | Cairenn | yes |
| 16:57.32 | Shirik | even with professional tools like MSVC, I haven't come across a GUI tool I particularly like better than coding it by hand |
| 16:57.36 | Cairenn | I thought it was live |
| 16:57.38 | Shirik | I guess I'll take a look though |
| 16:57.50 | Kaydeethree | it kinda works in 2.1.3, it's designed for 2.2, though |
| 16:57.59 | Kaydeethree | it's in-game, kinda like iriel's devtools |
| 16:58.04 | Shirik | I also just don't like change :P |
| 16:58.05 | Cairenn | huh, it isn't live |
| 16:58.10 | Cairenn | hmmmmm |
| 16:58.10 | zenzelezz | Shirik: are you talking about just WoW UIs now? |
| 16:58.18 | Shirik | no, in general |
| 16:58.24 | Shirik | MSVC has nothing to do with WoW :P |
| 16:58.28 | zenzelezz | or are you simply a masochist who loves calling CreateWindowEx() a million times |
| 16:58.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:59.06 | Josh_Borke | but yea, implementing a threat meter into the base UI? o.O |
| 16:59.15 | Shirik | that's my #1 gripe right now |
| 16:59.24 | Kaydeethree | there's a lot of changes I wasn't expecting the designers to ok |
| 16:59.24 | Shirik | but, as clad|sleep has already said |
| 16:59.28 | Kaydeethree | unique ids and the like |
| 16:59.37 | Shirik | hi cladhaire |
| 16:59.38 | Josh_Borke | uh oh, you woke grumpy |
| 16:59.43 | cladhaire | stop whining |
| 16:59.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:59.47 | cladhaire | hai :P |
| 16:59.47 | cladhaire | wb |
| 16:59.55 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn!!! claddy waddy was mean to me! |
| 16:59.56 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 17:00.00 | zenzelezz | <Shirik> but, as clad|sleep has already said |
| 17:00.01 | zenzelezz | <Shirik> hi cladhaire |
| 17:00.03 | Cairenn | cladhaire: thanks :) when was the going-away party? |
| 17:00.04 | zenzelezz | he talks to himself? |
| 17:00.05 | Shirik | as cladhaire said it's probably not as big as we think it is (including "DBMs") |
| 17:00.40 | Josh_Borke | DBMs? |
| 17:00.50 | zenzelezz | if I were to guess, the Blizzard threat thingamajig will be more to help lowbies learn about aggro than raids |
| 17:00.54 | cladhaire | its not as big as idiots who report the wrong information think it's going to be. |
| 17:01.01 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Sept 1 |
| 17:01.02 | Kaydeethree | deadly bossmods. like the timers |
| 17:02.32 | Josh_Borke | i think it still points toward more dynamic encounters which i like, it's just weird that they are including it in the base UI |
| 17:03.20 | Cairenn | so, umm, listen guys - for those of you who were at the 'con - have we figured out who the unknown gentleman was that took all those pictures of me after the UI panel is yet? |
| 17:03.44 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 17:03.47 | Josh_Borke | gief pictures! |
| 17:03.52 | cladhaire | Cairenn: hrm? |
| 17:03.56 | Cairenn | nowai! |
| 17:04.24 | Cairenn | is pic out already, bela posted - all you're getting! |
| 17:04.24 | Kaydeethree | you mean the guy taking pictures with all of our cameras or someone else? |
| 17:04.37 | cladhaire | that was Jim, Cairenn |
| 17:05.05 | Cairenn | no, the oriental looking gentlemen inside the room itself, the one that was teasing that I didn't even know who he was yet he was getting all these pics |
| 17:05.13 | cladhaire | oh |
| 17:05.20 | cladhaire | no, he said his name once |
| 17:05.30 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 17:05.34 | Josh_Borke | woohoo |
| 17:05.41 | Cairenn | we figured out that he is a part of this channel, I think, but no one was sure who it is |
| 17:05.51 | cladhaire | yeah he deact'd his account |
| 17:05.58 | Cairenn | gack! |
| 17:06.05 | cladhaire | just wasw at blizzcon |
| 17:06.20 | Cairenn | he said he's still in here though, right? |
| 17:06.34 | zenzelezz | I bet it was ChanServ |
| 17:06.47 | Kaydeethree | that bastard, he's in all of our channels! |
| 17:06.49 | Cairenn | oh god - so there is someone out there that I have no idea who the hell it is and he's got all this pics of me? |
| 17:07.00 | Cairenn | s/this/these/ |
| 17:07.28 | Cairenn | you guys were supposed to figure out who it was while I was still away! |
| 17:07.37 | Cairenn | aw shit |
| 17:08.41 | Josh_Borke | gief more pics of cairenn, plz kthxbai |
| 17:08.47 | Cairenn | no wai! |
| 17:08.56 | zenzelezz | yeah, Shirik has been talking about nothing but the pictures for days, but I think he's still working on uploading the first one with his dialup |
| 17:09.02 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 17:09.05 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:11.53 | Josh_Borke | UI tool looks nice |
| 17:12.00 | Cairenn | you found it? |
| 17:12.21 | mikma | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 17:12.25 | mikma | there it is |
| 17:12.31 | Cairenn | ah ha! it is live |
| 17:12.41 | Cairenn | I knew it was supposed to be |
| 17:12.44 | mikma | yeah, i took that url from youtube video :D |
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| 17:13.00 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I hate you |
| 17:13.12 | sag_ich_nicht | woooooo, these combat log changes in 2.4 sound nice. |
| 17:13.12 | Shirik | but on a brighter note, by this time next week I should be off it for good |
| 17:13.13 | zenzelezz | looks like my message finally arrived at his computer |
| 17:13.16 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 17:13.20 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:13.24 | Shirik | no I had to take the dog out >.> |
| 17:14.44 | Josh_Borke | anyone know what's coming in 2.3? |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik | ouch |
| 17:15.31 | Josh_Borke | that was mean Cairenn |
| 17:15.42 | Josh_Borke | purl, comfort me |
| 17:15.43 | purl | There, there, josh_borke. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:15.43 | Cairenn | that was incentive for you to be at the next one |
| 17:16.14 | Josh_Borke | i'll be married and a grown up by then :-/ |
| 17:19.13 | Josh_Borke | think it'll be another 2 years before the next blizzcon? |
| 17:19.21 | cladhaire | yep |
| 17:19.22 | Cairenn | unfortunately, probably |
| 17:19.23 | Industrial | btw ding 20 |
| 17:19.29 | Cairenn | grats Industrial :) |
| 17:19.34 | Cairenn | still having fun with it? |
| 17:19.34 | Josh_Borke | grats indie |
| 17:19.36 | Industrial | ~botmail for Wobin ding 20 =D |
| 17:19.57 | Josh_Borke | maybe i'll be able to convince my wife to let me go then |
| 17:20.19 | zenzelezz | "Hey honey, there's this woman I want to go and get hugs from, plix?" |
| 17:20.23 | Cairenn | maybe you'll just have to bring her along with you :) |
| 17:20.23 | Josh_Borke | where's the q&a session for UI? :-( |
| 17:20.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i was just going to ask that |
| 17:20.41 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 17:20.50 | sag_ich_nicht | they should have chosen someone else as speaker |
| 17:20.52 | Cairenn | bela has some of it covered in the post I linked |
| 17:21.01 | Josh_Borke | yea, but i want it ALL |
| 17:21.02 | Cairenn | instead of Rislyn?!?! |
| 17:21.17 | Josh_Borke | oh come on, everyone knows a woman's voice is more soothing to listen to |
| 17:21.20 | Cairenn | let me tell you, that is one cool, fun, lady |
| 17:21.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke not if that women doesn't have a lot of rethorical training, not to say NONE. |
| 17:21.41 | sag_ich_nicht | because that is what it looks like to me |
| 17:21.53 | cladhaire | dude |
| 17:21.56 | cladhaire | they're computer programmers |
| 17:21.59 | cladhaire | cut them some slack |
| 17:22.06 | cladhaire | they're not part of the PR machine |
| 17:22.09 | cladhaire | she did a good job |
| 17:22.14 | cladhaire | clearly not an orator |
| 17:22.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't say she didn't |
| 17:22.16 | cladhaire | but still |
| 17:22.17 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:22.22 | sag_ich_nicht | what i am saying |
| 17:22.54 | sag_ich_nicht | is that a multimillion dollar company can afford it to give the employees that are going to do a panel a bit of rethorical basic training :P |
| 17:23.13 | cladhaire | meh |
| 17:23.22 | Josh_Borke | i'd rather them work on the code |
| 17:23.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ...true enough. |
| 17:23.32 | sag_ich_nicht | >-> |
| 17:23.39 | Shirik | ~dict rethorical |
| 17:23.44 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit |
| 17:23.46 | sag_ich_nicht | typo |
| 17:23.48 | sag_ich_nicht | fu! |
| 17:23.50 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 17:23.50 | Josh_Borke | i was thinking the same thing shirik |
| 17:23.55 | sag_ich_nicht | brain typo in translation |
| 17:23.57 | Shirik | twice? |
| 17:24.00 | Josh_Borke | ~dict rhetorical |
| 17:24.04 | sag_ich_nicht | see? |
| 17:24.05 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:24.09 | Shirik | I know that word |
| 17:24.10 | sag_ich_nicht | sue me |
| 17:24.11 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 17:24.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i have to go now anyway |
| 17:24.17 | Shirik | the fact that you typed it twice made me infer that you meant something else |
| 17:24.18 | Josh_Borke | i wasn't sure of the word |
| 17:24.20 | Josh_Borke | i'm kinda dumb |
| 17:24.26 | Josh_Borke | thanks for pointing it out |
| 17:24.27 | Josh_Borke | jerks |
| 17:24.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i was sure of the word, but misstranslated it |
| 17:24.30 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 17:24.43 | Shirik | ~dict misstranslated |
| 17:24.49 | Shirik | =P |
| 17:24.51 | sag_ich_nicht | oh common |
| 17:24.59 | sag_ich_nicht | now you are just being a dick |
| 17:25.00 | Shirik | <3 |
| 17:25.00 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:25.27 | sag_ich_nicht | get back to work you lazy ass |
| 17:25.28 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:25.32 | Josh_Borke | use CTL! |
| 17:25.36 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 17:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | go away. |
| 17:25.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i like the RDX frames |
| 17:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't like that they are broken. |
| 17:25.51 | Industrial | I made a tocket cause I cant name my kitty MrScruffles :( |
| 17:25.54 | Industrial | ticket, even |
| 17:25.55 | Shirik | the conspiracy frames are going to be hawt :P |
| 17:26.02 | Josh_Borke | SS or it didn't happen |
| 17:26.09 | Shirik | SS when they're done :P |
| 17:26.09 | sag_ich_nicht | SS or it didn't happen |
| 17:26.10 | Josh_Borke | and CTL = ChatThrottleLib, meant for Shirik :-P |
| 17:26.17 | Shirik | And I already wrote Sync.lua |
| 17:26.18 | sag_ich_nicht | orite |
| 17:26.21 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 17:26.21 | Shirik | I. Will. Not. Use. CTL. |
| 17:26.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 17:26.23 | sag_ich_nicht | use CTL |
| 17:26.30 | sag_ich_nicht | WHY JESUS CHRIST ALL MIGHTY? |
| 17:26.31 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Shirik |
| 17:26.31 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on Shirik and turns Shirik into a brick |
| 17:26.32 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 17:26.52 | sag_ich_nicht | you are doing a complete rewrite anyway |
| 17:26.52 | Shirik | There is zero reason to |
| 17:27.02 | Shirik | And I completely rewrote Sync.lua |
| 17:27.03 | Shirik | simple enough |
| 17:27.13 | Josh_Borke | we'll love you forever and ever? |
| 17:27.26 | sag_ich_nicht | there is, to keep code reuse down, and to prevent RDX traffic from causing a disconnect by not taking into account other traffic that is managed by CTL |
| 17:27.35 | Shirik | That's impossible |
| 17:27.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it is. imagine CTL traffic at max peak |
| 17:27.46 | Shirik | I've already done the math, even if CTL and RDX are both running at peak, it still can't cause a disconnect |
| 17:27.47 | sag_ich_nicht | and then RDX sending something |
| 17:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | woho disconnect |
| 17:27.49 | Shirik | CTL has a buffer |
| 17:27.51 | Shirik | so does RDX |
| 17:28.05 | sag_ich_nicht | guess what you are filling the buffer of CTL with your RDX traffic :P |
| 17:28.14 | Shirik | then that's wasted space |
| 17:28.25 | Shirik | transmissions could (and may need to) go faster |
| 17:28.29 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it's safe space, to prevent disonnects on high loads ervers |
| 17:28.37 | Shirik | It. Can't. Cause. A. Disconnect. |
| 17:28.38 | Shirik | I just said that |
| 17:28.43 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't believe it :P |
| 17:28.50 | Shirik | I did the math personally |
| 17:28.57 | sag_ich_nicht | okay now take into account uh |
| 17:29.02 | sag_ich_nicht | GEM |
| 17:29.03 | Shirik | Anything that's not using CTL? |
| 17:29.03 | sag_ich_nicht | that is dumb |
| 17:29.08 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly. |
| 17:29.33 | Cide | guys |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | GEM doesn't have a constant load, it only has spikes |
| 17:29.40 | Josh_Borke | so clad |
| 17:29.42 | Cide | why the fuck are you trying to force a library onto a developer? |
| 17:29.45 | Josh_Borke | did you get to work on addons the other day? |
| 17:29.45 | Cide | are you retarded? |
| 17:29.48 | sag_ich_nicht | disconnect spikes! |
| 17:29.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide |
| 17:29.54 | sag_ich_nicht | please fix your troll detector |
| 17:29.56 | sag_ich_nicht | it is broken |
| 17:30.08 | Cide | I don't care |
| 17:30.10 | Josh_Borke | i just put it out there to piss off Shirik |
| 17:30.12 | sag_ich_nicht | ...someone bump the ACE RDX thread. |
| 17:30.17 | Cide | don't troll this channel, then |
| 17:30.17 | zenzelezz | probably the same old argument "what about us poor people that run 150 addons" |
| 17:30.25 | Cide | and it's not the first time it's been brought up, either |
| 17:30.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i run 300 addons, zenzelezz |
| 17:30.38 | Shirik | The same problem would arise whether or not I use CTL |
| 17:30.40 | Shirik | it's that simple |
| 17:30.40 | sag_ich_nicht | even more, actually. |
| 17:31.01 | Shirik | I'm not going to waste processing time having CTL repeat what I already did |
| 17:31.15 | Shirik | Because it's a modular design, CTL does a lot of what I already have to do anyway |
| 17:31.20 | Shirik | therefore, it's a waste |
| 17:31.52 | Shirik | ("it's modular" being Conspiracy/RDX) |
| 17:34.35 | sag_ich_nicht | okay afk |
| 17:34.42 | sag_ich_nicht | have to go to a show :O |
| 17:37.05 | Josh_Borke | ugh i want a new computer so badly |
| 17:37.29 | Josh_Borke | hate @ being poor |
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| 17:56.58 | Neebler | http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/WarCraftArtBig.jpg |
| 18:02.51 | Josh_Borke | that from the movie? |
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| 18:09.18 | Industrial | 1 RandomGuy: LOL BY THE LITE OF ELUNE U SEX |
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| 18:42.25 | Shirik | my latency bar is green |
| 18:42.26 | Shirik | unpossible |
| 18:44.15 | Josh_Borke | any of you guys that went to blizzcon play SC2? |
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| 18:59.33 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:59.43 | Josh_Borke | what was playable? |
| 18:59.47 | cladhaire | terran and protoss |
| 18:59.51 | cladhaire | single player and mp |
| 19:00.03 | Josh_Borke | all units or only the ones they've released on the website? |
| 19:00.15 | Josh_Borke | marine, reaver, ghost, transformer |
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| 19:00.25 | cladhaire | we could make up hrough the mothership |
| 19:00.31 | cladhaire | dont think anythign was unavail |
| 19:00.38 | Josh_Borke | how'd it play? |
| 19:00.45 | Josh_Borke | did it look really nice and was smooth? |
| 19:01.43 | Josh_Borke | i'm asking because i'm considering getting a new computer |
| 19:02.58 | cladhaire | it was really nice |
| 19:03.01 | cladhaire | smoth |
| 19:03.12 | cladhaire | didn't look like it would really require too high end |
| 19:04.22 | Josh_Borke | hrm, ok, thank you clad |
| 19:04.28 | cladhaire | np |
| 19:04.33 | cladhaire | i suck at starcraft |
| 19:05.07 | Josh_Borke | hehe |
| 19:05.15 | Josh_Borke | i'm not very good at it either, but i loved it |
| 19:05.30 | Josh_Borke | hrm, 800 to get a whole new computer |
| 19:05.52 | Josh_Borke | that'll kick the snot out of my current one |
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| 19:15.34 | JunkHead | Yo. |
| 19:15.52 | JunkHead | Can anyone suggest an addon for range checking in a raid? |
| 19:16.11 | JunkHead | Like something that changes the color of frames if they are out of range or something? |
| 19:16.31 | Josh_Borke | what frames? |
| 19:16.46 | JunkHead | Default |
| 19:17.27 | zenzelezz | damn you mahjongg, damn your addictiveness |
| 19:21.13 | mikma | true that |
| 19:21.26 | mikma | i always play it with my friends n800 :D |
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| 19:41.02 | Xuerian | JunkHead: Why not just use perfectraid? |
| 19:41.22 | Guillotine | so I left my computer on all night computing primes just for shits and giggles. Did you know that 465188027 is a prime number? |
| 19:42.43 | Laraul | Why do people bother with RAID? |
| 19:42.57 | zenzelezz | because they're fun |
| 19:43.15 | Laraul | No they aren't.... |
| 19:43.16 | zenzelezz | impress your friends |
| 19:44.52 | Guillotine | because its good at killing bugs |
| 19:45.08 | Laraul | So is my foot! |
| 19:45.29 | Guillotine | its good at silencing the kids you're babysitting that won't be quiet |
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| 20:13.46 | Industrial | ding 21 |
| 20:13.52 | zenzelezz | grats |
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| 20:44.01 | zenzelezz | I felt a bit sorry for the warrior on general forum today who thought warriors sucked because his 61/0/0 spec with *all* weapon masteries didn't do very well |
| 20:44.41 | Thrae | Why can't I pwn people with a one-handed mace + shield??! |
| 20:45.21 | zenzelezz | every now and then I almost decide to go PvP on my tank just to mess around with spell reflect |
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| 21:02.23 | dre^ | I want to build a mod that displays spell cooldowns of selected party members. I've never built a mod before, but I've got a bare skeleton that is responding to UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED. My question is: does the WoW api include methods for asking for the spell cooldown of a given spell (that I didn't cast)? not *active* cooldowns, just total... I'll do my own counting. |
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| 21:02.55 | dre^ | and if not, can anybody recommend a third-party library that could fit the bill? |
| 21:03.59 | dre^ | this would have worked: http://www.wowwiki.com/SpellSyncLib |
| 21:04.08 | dre^ | sadly, the parent site is not up |
| 21:04.32 | dre^ | and the wayback machine never went :/ |
| 21:05.01 | zenzelezz | afraid I'm not very familiar with spell casts/cooldowns, but stick around and someone might have a clue =) |
| 21:05.18 | zenzelezz | sounds similar to what someone was doing earlier |
| 21:05.40 | dre^ | thanks :) I also did a search through all my addons looking for anything that had descriptions / spell names/ cooldown times... nothing I have installed currently has that info, at least not in a text-searchable form |
| 21:06.56 | dre^ | there's tons of wow api ways of asking for cooldowns of *your* spells / items... obviously I don't expect to be able to query for the current remaining cooldown of somebody else's thing... I just want to catch the event as it happens and start my own timer, if I've decided to watch the unit that cast the spell. |
| 21:07.30 | dre^ | I think it'll be crazy useful. How many times does your raid leader ask if your ankh is up? heh |
| 21:09.01 | dre^ | or wouldn't it be nice to know if your mage friend can cast frost nova yet, or if you really need to shield him right away? :) |
| 21:09.18 | Guillotine | no, theres no way to get the spell cooldowns of spells you do not have other than through a list of them |
| 21:09.26 | dre^ | that's what I want, a list |
| 21:09.54 | Guillotine | well, you could probably steal NECB's >.> |
| 21:10.11 | dre^ | is that the name of a developer or a mod itself? |
| 21:10.21 | Guillotine | mod. Natur Enemy CastBar |
| 21:10.24 | dre^ | oh cast bar, gotcha |
| 21:10.26 | Guillotine | shows the cooldowns of all nearby people |
| 21:10.36 | Guillotine | very nice mod for PvP |
| 21:10.36 | dre^ | no way |
| 21:10.42 | dre^ | that's pretty much exactly what I want |
| 21:10.49 | dre^ | maybe I don't need to write anything after all :) |
| 21:10.53 | Guillotine | http://downloads.curse.com/details/2786/ |
| 21:10.59 | Guillotine | nah, this will do everything you want and more |
| 21:11.12 | Guillotine | just make sure to disable the thigns you don't want so it doesn't use extra memory |
| 21:11.30 | Guillotine | also has diminishing returns bars for your spells and things like that |
| 21:12.13 | dre^ | excellent, thanks for the tip! I've known of this mod, but I guess I never realized it would display cooldowns of other people's spells |
| 21:12.49 | Guillotine | don't think it used to |
| 21:12.58 | Guillotine | I used it a LONG time ago and only recently started using it again |
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| 21:14.01 | dre^ | hmm |
| 21:14.02 | dre^ | "You see some(!) spell cooldowns and detected cooldowns are stored into a dynamic database for all spells around you. The cooldown is displayed once you target the player/mob and cleared if you change targets." |
| 21:14.30 | Guillotine | theres a button to check to show the cooldowns of non-selected targets |
| 21:14.37 | Guillotine | it just makes alot more bars appear |
| 21:14.39 | Guillotine | I personally use that option though |
| 21:14.50 | dre^ | *nod* |
| 21:15.07 | dre^ | I want to set it to just other party members |
| 21:15.21 | dre^ | but I could hack in support for that if I had to |
| 21:15.35 | dre^ | definitely looks promising |
| 21:15.41 | dre^ | thanks again :) time for a coffee run... |
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| 22:38.28 | Corrodias | chocolate raaaain... |
| 22:38.54 | [dRaCo] | uh. sticky. |
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| 23:09.24 | Industrial | ding 22 |
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| 23:31.22 | Industrial | drawspace.com, pretty cool site |
| 23:31.32 | Industrial | have to register but nice drawing lessons |
| 23:31.46 | Industrial | lots of pictures, in pdf format or viewable online |
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| 23:35.46 | dre^ | is there a way to get spell ID from a spell name without iterating the entire spell book? |
| 23:35.59 | dre^ | name + rank I guess |
