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| 02:03.39 | TS|Skrom_ | hallo |
| 02:05.08 | Shirik | rawr |
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| 02:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | clearing Steamvaults in 40 mins ftw :D |
| 02:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, at least the bosses |
| 02:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | we left a decent chunk of trash in the first room |
| 02:38.52 | Shirik | 2 rogues, 3 druids? |
| 02:38.58 | Shirik | heh, could stealth to all the bosses |
| 02:39.03 | Shirik | ignore the trash |
| 02:39.22 | Shirik | that would be a great way to farm for spirit shards :P |
| 02:44.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
| 02:44.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | pally tank, me feral dps, mage, shaman healing, and hunter |
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| 02:59.07 | abug | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2OTFf9SH_E |
| 02:59.32 | abug | sloukey ain't a rl pirate |
| 03:08.36 | Gnarfoz | http://elitistjerks.com/f19/t14268-deep_question_gm/ lol |
| 03:09.04 | abug | yes slouken, show us how many characters your password is |
| 03:10.46 | abug | or not slouken the other person |
| 03:17.01 | Industrial | 04:37 |
| 03:17.06 | Industrial | whats his username =D |
| 03:18.27 | Industrial | nuuuuu no xmlsies |
| 03:19.13 | abug | arrow guy is feigning the smile on the xml slides |
| 03:21.44 | Industrial | zomgdsaofmzmozm editing UI |
| 03:21.51 | bleeter | woot yeah just got to that |
| 03:22.34 | Arrowmaster | is there somebody in that video wearing fake horns? |
| 03:24.40 | bleeter | ooh, real combat log with real events |
| 03:30.31 | Industrial | yes |
| 03:30.32 | Industrial | nice |
| 03:31.45 | Industrial | they cut off the Q&A... |
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| 03:32.43 | abug | they did that on the other ones too =/ |
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| 03:43.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 03:43.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | built in editing UI |
| 03:43.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | hot damn |
| 03:44.50 | abug | I like the large volume of people leaving the panel |
| 03:46.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd have left during the tutorial |
| 03:46.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just not fun to watch in a con where all that other stuff is happening :[ |
| 03:48.26 | bleeter | well, there ya go. slouken would be a god even if he didn't work for blizz |
| 03:48.36 | bleeter | 'Beardliness is next to Godliness' |
| 03:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's true. |
| 03:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got an epic beard |
| 03:50.02 | bleeter | .. it's pink? |
| 03:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6[Fol'likle, Beard of Insanity] |
| 03:51.32 | bleeter | crazy |
| 03:52.00 | bleeter | my UI's bust, I don't get any tooltip with stats when I click on that :( |
| 03:56.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/08/img_1570.jpg |
| 03:56.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwahahahhaaa |
| 03:56.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | "im the lich king lol" |
| 03:56.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | talking about frostmourne possibly being a drop, with an equip to become the new lich king |
| 03:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but this could present problems :P |
| 03:58.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Leading the Kirin Tor, Rhonin, will feature prominently. |
| 03:58.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:03.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm more pumped about the lore than anything else |
| 04:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 04:04.11 | bleeter | I thought you were going to quit after the last druid nerf? |
| 04:04.17 | abug | dalaran drank red bull |
| 04:04.17 | bleeter | or was it the one before that :P |
| 04:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | PTR patch! |
| 04:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Under wine, I at least get a SESound.log now |
| 04:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But it still locks up :( |
| 04:05.33 | Ky|Away | cedega works =/ |
| 04:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Really? |
| 04:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Cedega really works? |
| 04:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Crap. |
| 04:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want to use Cedega. |
| 04:06.06 | Ky|Away | no one does :P |
| 04:06.26 | Ky|Away | just uh...borrow...it from pirate bay until wine works >.> |
| 04:06.28 | bleeter | I wish Blizz would push people towards CrossOver, instead of Cedega. |
| 04:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Cedega *IS* GPL'd |
| 04:06.38 | bleeter | That way, Wine would get backports or something |
| 04:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll grab it from CVS and build it |
| 04:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Portions of it though are not |
| 04:06.59 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: not the DX engine |
| 04:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And the "nice" interface isn't GPL'd |
| 04:07.05 | bleeter | and they don't feed back upstream either |
| 04:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter, -opengl is the only way to go |
| 04:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's why I don't want to use Cedega |
| 04:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Crap though :/ |
| 04:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Cedega :/ |
| 04:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'ma hurt myself if I have to |
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| 04:16.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone find any patch changes on the ptr, ScytheBlade1? |
| 04:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, not yet. The test realms have been down all day |
| 04:17.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 04:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | .. still down |
| 04:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 04:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The Blizzcon stream is the game music segment now |
| 04:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | SC music! |
| 04:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | SC into music live. It's surprisingly well done |
| 04:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | NOO |
| 04:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They cut away to the WoW tourney just as it was getting good :/ |
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| 05:13.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | woohoo |
| 05:13.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i go back to giga just in time to see the sylvanas song live :D |
| 05:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I have yet to actually hear it |
| 05:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Is somewhat interesting here though |
| 05:14.52 | JunkHead-Work | morning. |
| 05:16.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait a tick |
| 05:16.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that tommy tallorico |
| 05:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 05:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 05:16.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really really hated electric playground |
| 05:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 05:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | SC2! |
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| 05:17.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 05:17.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is epics |
| 05:17.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 05:17.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | epic |
| 05:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | trumpets make everything epic |
| 05:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a proven fact |
| 05:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | the violinists are like |
| 05:18.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | I CAN'T PLAY, SHUT OFF THE DAMN STROBE LIGHT |
| 05:19.00 | Thrae | http://kotaku.com/gaming/blizzcon07/warcraft-cosplayers-excel-at-cosplaying-285940.php |
| 05:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You're probably right @ Rabies2 |
| 05:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol nice @ PSPs |
| 05:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | gold(en)shire, apparently |
| 05:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "Hang on a sec, the PSPs are still booting up" <-- I lol'd |
| 05:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | if the lack of e3 |
| 05:23.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes conventions like this happen |
| 05:23.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm happy :D |
| 05:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Inded |
| 05:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | *Indeed |
| 05:23.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzcon 05 wasn't nearly as epic, was it? |
| 05:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I never really wanted to go |
| 05:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But for this, well |
| 05:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This changes things |
| 05:24.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | did i miss L70ETC |
| 05:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | ? |
| 05:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | They haven't been on the stream |
| 05:25.28 | Thrae | "In the future mages will be able to summon a feast table to their location and group members will be able to get food from it, and yes we will have a water fountain." |
| 05:25.31 | Thrae | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/04/arcane-brilliance-mages-magicking-blizzcon/ |
| 05:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I was watching the stream when they said that |
| 05:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I nearly died of happiness |
| 05:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NO MORE MAKING 700 WATER FOR MY RAID. |
| 05:26.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm happy too :D |
| 05:26.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and my highest mage is like 14 |
| 05:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- mage for life |
| 05:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | just so you guys will find something else to bitch about |
| 05:27.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait my highest mage is 32 |
| 05:27.10 | Thrae | "It was also noted that although mages are considered the DPS kings, it was decided that they would more focus on the AOE damage, and the *rogue* would stand out as a single-target *DPS master*." |
| 05:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 10% damage tax? AoE damage caps? The list goes on |
| 05:27.44 | JunkHead-Work | Same for a warlock. |
| 05:27.57 | JunkHead-Work | Our warlocks out DPS our mages. |
| 05:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 05:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, the warlock in question that out-does me has nearly 1300 shadow |
| 05:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | warlocks are hybrids and mages are not |
| 05:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've got 890 or so +dmg |
| 05:28.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | via their pets :O |
| 05:28.42 | JunkHead-Work | Well, we did gruul the other day. |
| 05:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And since when did warlocks get a 10% coeff. nerf on their Shadowbolt? |
| 05:28.57 | JunkHead-Work | #1 was a rogue, warlock was barely under him at #2. |
| 05:28.58 | Thrae | Warlocks aren't Hybrids, Warlocks are Summoners -- big difference |
| 05:29.02 | JunkHead-Work | 3 and 4 were rogues |
| 05:29.08 | JunkHead-Work | 5 and 6 were locks. |
| 05:29.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have one for CC and melee damage, one is an anticaster, one's a tank, one's a pocket arms warrior, and one's a great support class |
| 05:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thrae, they're still hybrids, rogues and mages are really the only two 'pure' classes |
| 05:29.51 | Thrae | Mages can do CC, DD DPS, AoE DPS, omg hybridz |
| 05:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 05:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not the same at all |
| 05:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Because mages can't really spec _out_ of damage |
| 05:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Whereas other classes can, and in turn, spec into support, tanking, or healing classes |
| 05:30.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not that either scythe |
| 05:30.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Mages and rogues are the only real classes that can't spec out of damage in raid enviroments |
| 05:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (Though I won't lie, I know a mage who tries to spec out of damage...) |
| 05:30.49 | Thrae | I declare the definition of Hybrids to be Heal PCs + Melee DPS |
| 05:30.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's that hunters and locks can be tanks, magic damage, and melee damage at the same time |
| 05:31.01 | Thrae | At least for WoW's sake. |
| 05:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | among other things but i'm diluting it a bit |
| 05:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The "AoE damage kings" thing is a joke though |
| 05:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure we HAVE powerful AoE |
| 05:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But when do we really use it? |
| 05:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're still the best aoe damage class in the game |
| 05:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's a question of just how valuable that really is to, specifically, end-game raiding |
| 05:33.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it wouldn't make sense for you to outdps rogues in one target AND multitarget |
| 05:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 05:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm fine with rogues being #1 |
| 05:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean... they get melee |
| 05:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I get 41 yards. |
| 05:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not complaining. |
| 05:33.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | that too |
| 05:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But the ease of other classes to hit #2 and #3 in comparison to mages is what bothers me - and the justification is "mages have better AoE" |
| 05:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the value of AoE in general which I question though |
| 05:34.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's more to balance than endgame raiding |
| 05:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm wondering which panel they said that in :P |
| 05:35.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's plenty of pulls where you pretty much HAVE to have a mage in the party |
| 05:35.04 | JunkHead-Work | I love my mage in 5 man instances. |
| 05:35.06 | Kyahx | anyone who underestimates the value of AoE obviously never went bombing the AV entrance |
| 05:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember if it was the R&D or class discussion |
| 05:35.10 | JunkHead-Work | I have so much fun doing those. |
| 05:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | because no other class can AoE realistically |
| 05:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I did that AV bit. |
| 05:35.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Walked out of AV (pre-NERF) with 1000 HKs. |
| 05:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong, it's nuts |
| 05:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But I want to bring more to a /raid/ |
| 05:35.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | you bring food and water |
| 05:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and portals |
| 05:35.57 | Kyahx | I remember bombing the cave entrance, for all the people waiting in line :P |
| 05:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Yeah. I should be specific |
| 05:36.00 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 05:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | More to a /boss encounter/ |
| 05:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and damage that's unmitigated by armor |
| 05:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 05:36.14 | Kyahx | Crowd Control? |
| 05:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Same with locks and SPriests |
| 05:36.16 | JunkHead-Work | Something else that can cut into out straight up DPS in a raid, is boss fights that require a lot of movement. |
| 05:36.18 | Kyahx | Sheep is invaluable |
| 05:36.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | and safe damage from 41 yards off |
| 05:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | CC is something that I love |
| 05:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | TK trash I'm very low on the meters, and I'm fine |
| 05:36.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's the only place so far where I've had to use it in a raid |
| 05:36.50 | JunkHead-Work | And yeah sheep is great when it can be used. |
| 05:36.52 | Kyahx | Mages bring a very good CC, AoE damage, raid support (via food and water), excellent ranged dps (longest range of any class) |
| 05:36.56 | Kyahx | I fail to see why you bitch |
| 05:36.57 | Kyahx | :) |
| 05:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought locks also had 41 yard |
| 05:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I know hunters do |
| 05:37.15 | Kyahx | Hunters suck |
| 05:37.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | locks get 36 |
| 05:37.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 05:37.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and hunters get 41 but it's mitigated by armor and they're balanced around having pets out |
| 05:37.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | which aren't always viable in raids |
| 05:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... got a BM hunter in my raids. Scorpid. |
| 05:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | SCARY damage. |
| 05:37.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, scorpids are bugged |
| 05:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's gonna shit himself when they fix the bug he's exploiting |
| 05:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://adversaryguild.com/wws/07/08/01/070801-Mag/ <-- I'm Sbo on that |
| 05:38.17 | Kyahx | Still, I think mages would be one of the last classes to complain about Raid viability |
| 05:38.23 | JunkHead-Work | brb |
| 05:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that the rogue which pulled 1k DPS died early |
| 05:38.43 | jme | http://www.joystiq.com/gallery/blizzcon-costumes-2/337401/ |
| 05:38.43 | Kyahx | You only need one priest in a raid for buffs, all other healing can be supplemented (if not surpassed) by druids and paladins |
| 05:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Kyahx, agreed. We bring a lot to raids, but it's not what people on the boards (and me to a lesser extent) really want to bring |
| 05:38.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pull about 700 atm on my druid |
| 05:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | on unsundered mobs |
| 05:39.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | on sundered mobs probably close to 800 |
| 05:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence a sizable amount of mages rerolling locks for "ez DPS" |
| 05:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or at least, again, mages on the forums) |
| 05:39.40 | Kyahx | Locks are a different type of DPS |
| 05:39.58 | Kyahx | People put too much stock into numbers |
| 05:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But they do it, and they do more of it, increasingly often |
| 05:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | True. Boss dies, who cares. |
| 05:40.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | what outputs WWS, ScytheBlade1? |
| 05:40.12 | Kyahx | A warlock can be very boring in raids, especially an affliction lock |
| 05:40.21 | Kyahx | dot, dot...mine copper |
| 05:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, click the link at the bottom |
| 05:40.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | aff locks have almost no burst at all |
| 05:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, it takes raw WoW combat logs, parses it, tada |
| 05:40.37 | Kyahx | re-fresh dots, watch you-tue |
| 05:40.39 | jme | my hunter is like spam steady shot.. :/ |
| 05:40.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, it's all instant, but still, no burst |
| 05:40.45 | Kyahx | you-tube* |
| 05:40.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're only useful for bosses really |
| 05:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The only time I've seen burst matter in a raid is on the Naxx trash. |
| 05:40.58 | Kyahx | that is the life of an affliction lock in a raid :P |
| 05:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | burst is important for trash |
| 05:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Notably gargoyles. |
| 05:41.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you're killing mobs in <10 sec dots won't shine |
| 05:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 05:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's also trash |
| 05:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Who cares? |
| 05:41.39 | Kyahx | Burst damage is always important, burts damage clears trash faster, burst is what kills the boss for the last 5% |
| 05:42.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | scythe |
| 05:42.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | if trash is counted towards damage meters, then that's who cares |
| 05:42.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | people who can't do burst |
| 05:42.32 | Kyahx | burst damage is also what wins in PvP |
| 05:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't in any raid I attend :) |
| 05:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I reset SWS every boss attempt, before and after |
| 05:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And run the WWS with logs JUST from the boss encounters |
| 05:42.51 | Kyahx | I've had a mage DESTROY me in a matter of 3 seconds |
| 05:43.01 | Kyahx | from fully-buffed to dead |
| 05:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. PoM Pyro mages have no use in a raid. |
| 05:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | mages are about kings of burst |
| 05:43.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | next are locks, then rogues |
| 05:43.16 | jme | bah |
| 05:43.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | enhancement shamans are pretty amazing in bursts if they're in epic gear and the planets align |
| 05:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Please note that I'm specifically talking about PvE raid encounters |
| 05:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... kinda key, as that's my only real 'complaint' |
| 05:44.31 | Kyahx | I fail to see what your complaining about in general, PvE or not. Mages do a shit-ton of damage, sure they do it fast |
| 05:44.35 | Kyahx | learn to pace yourself |
| 05:45.09 | Kyahx | You have multiple-viable trees, a large number of spells, high-raid desirabilty from support spells |
| 05:45.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | most raids have mages and locks at the top because of how much armor trash and bosses have |
| 05:45.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | until TK or BT at least, i hear |
| 05:45.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear the armor tapers off at that level |
| 05:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but in kara-SSC, armor mitigation is plain awful :( |
| 05:46.38 | JunkHead-Work | Like I was saying earlier... |
| 05:46.43 | JunkHead-Work | I like playing my mage. |
| 05:46.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I just simply don't think that our single target DPS is where it /should/ be, with "you have awesome AoE" as the justification. I'm fine with #2, but I'm not fine with #4, #5 because I have AoE that I don't use :) |
| 05:46.50 | JunkHead-Work | Hell of a lot more than playing my Paladin. |
| 05:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note that #1, #4, #5 are referring to number of classes, not people) |
| 05:47.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | scythe: it's still equal to or higher than rogues in most situations from what i've seen |
| 05:47.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus, there's not much they can do about that other than add AoE mobs to help |
| 05:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they can't JUST buff your single target DPS in raids |
| 05:47.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | buffing it in raids buffs it everywhere else too |
| 05:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, to be dead honest, get better rogues. I play as a +hit capped deep fire, and smacking Void Reaver around, the rogues are consistently 2-3% overall DPS higher than everyone |
| 05:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | If AoE was used more I'd be happy. |
| 05:48.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see how |
| 05:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I just think their justification is currently... 'lacking' |
| 05:48.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | all it does is mean you're clicking another button |
| 05:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and you move up higher on the charts because no one can keep up |
| 05:48.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | with mage aoe |
| 05:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I see your point |
| 05:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's a good one, I won't lie :) |
| 05:49.23 | JunkHead-Work | I've never gotten to use my mage on too many raid bosses. |
| 05:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just somewhat disheartening to come from MC/BWL/AQ40 as deep fire, consistently #1/#2 with rogues on the meters |
| 05:49.38 | JunkHead-Work | I've done I think, 4 bosses in Kara, and an attempt on void reaver. |
| 05:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | To #4/#5 - with "you have AoE" as the reason |
| 05:50.01 | Kyahx | Rouges also used to suck a hell of a lot more than they do now |
| 05:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogues also take a shitload more damage than mages |
| 05:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want to displace rogues. I really don't. |
| 05:50.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They have it harder to stay alive, to manage threat.. the list goes on |
| 05:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Glancing blows anyone? |
| 05:51.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | then what are you complaining about |
| 05:51.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're still close enough |
| 05:51.11 | Kyahx | Simple put, once again, people put too much stock into meters. Just because your #1 on damage has nothing to do with how important you are to the raid |
| 05:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Kyahx, kinda what I said earlier. That's why a lot of mages rerolled 'lock: they want a large amount of sustained, ranged DPS. |
| 05:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note that I'll only ever play my mage, regardless of what they do to it) |
| 05:52.04 | JunkHead-Work | My warlock is lvl 10. |
| 05:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | in order to do any sustained damage on a lock you have to give up all burst, essentially |
| 05:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want to top the meters, but I'd love to be more competitive. |
| 05:53.27 | JunkHead-Work | I know a guy, he's on my server but was in another guild... |
| 05:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | mages are about the most helpful dps class to a raid |
| 05:53.34 | JunkHead-Work | He is a 70 warlock. |
| 05:53.35 | abug | just look at the addon code and fudge your numbers so you're higher, works for me |
| 05:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ abug |
| 05:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Win. |
| 05:53.53 | JunkHead-Work | His raid always complained about his dps being too low. |
| 05:54.13 | JunkHead-Work | He even bought gold so he could fund his trade skills... |
| 05:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I've seen locks and mages be out-DPS'd by prot warriors. |
| 05:54.25 | JunkHead-Work | To up his damage, Still got complained about. |
| 05:54.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they do safe damage, they bring water and food, their damage is unmitigated by armor and few raid mobs have high resistances anymore |
| 05:54.45 | JunkHead-Work | It got to a point where he never played his warlock, to avoid raiding. |
| 05:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Mages have never been declined a group because "they don't have enough DPS" |
| 05:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Which can be said of several other classes |
| 05:56.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't tell you how many times i've requested a group to get turned down "because we need real dps/tank/cc |
| 05:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | " |
| 05:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | In a 5-man, a healer tank mage mage mage combo is nothing short of ideal. |
| 05:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Their value is clear. |
| 05:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It boils down to, I'd like to be more competitive on single-target. |
| 05:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | As we /once/ were |
| 05:59.11 | Kyahx | You were only competitive because other classes sucked |
| 05:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Rogues sure didn't |
| 05:59.52 | Kyahx | lol |
| 05:59.54 | Kyahx | sure... |
| 05:59.59 | abug | back when ignitres rolled like tumbleweeds |
| 06:00.02 | abug | ignites even |
| 06:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Ignites rolling... fun, but not realisitc |
| 06:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | *realistic |
| 06:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | And Kyahx, I'd have a different view if I didn't raid right next to a rogue from MC to TK:TE who has placed consistently as #1 on the meter, no matter how hard I try |
| 06:01.20 | Kyahx | So he's really good? Who cares |
| 06:01.53 | abug | pay paladins to bop him midfight |
| 06:01.54 | Kyahx | He'd get replaced long before you were, if it came down to spots |
| 06:02.05 | Kyahx | You bring a sheep, you bring food/water |
| 06:02.17 | Kyahx | Rouges ARE dps, that's what they do, they should be #1 |
| 06:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd honestly replace #1 DPS by 1-3% for free water? |
| 06:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Little skeptical here. |
| 06:02.39 | Kyahx | Im not saying him personally |
| 06:02.42 | Kyahx | but the class for class |
| 06:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay fair enough |
| 06:04.23 | JunkHead-Work | [01:06:03] <ScytheBlade1> You'd honestly replace #1 DPS by 1-3% for free water? <-- I will. I'm cheap as hell. |
| 06:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 06:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 06:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of it comes down to player skill |
| 06:07.19 | JunkHead-Work | Correct. |
| 06:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just maddening the amount of effort I have to put forth to place even close to where I feel I should be, as compared to other classes |
| 06:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of subjectivity, heh |
| 06:08.00 | JunkHead-Work | I still need some stuff for my mage. |
| 06:08.08 | JunkHead-Work | I'm just not really in a hurry. |
| 06:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm missing one key item on mine - a new weapon that is more than +121 damage |
| 06:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Next time the Gruul sword drops, it's mine |
| 06:08.48 | JunkHead-Work | I don't have spellstrike stuff yet. |
| 06:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But even given that - that'll place me at +980 raw +dmg |
| 06:08.59 | JunkHead-Work | And I only have 1 dropped epic item. |
| 06:09.03 | JunkHead-Work | Well 2. |
| 06:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have an incredibly hard time competing with warlocks |
| 06:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I have one piece of spellstrike |
| 06:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | One crafted epic total |
| 06:09.40 | JunkHead-Work | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Scaz |
| 06:09.44 | JunkHead-Work | My Supah Mage ^ |
| 06:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Sbo <-- me |
| 06:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | For a reference |
| 06:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm one of the few people that are actually +hit capped in PvE DPS |
| 06:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically I'm one point over |
| 06:11.35 | jme | 164 for mages? |
| 06:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 164 for mages that take Elemental Precision, knocking off 3% of the total needed |
| 06:12.03 | jme | ah |
| 06:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Less if you're an arcane caster, but that isn't viable without T5 |
| 06:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (Arcane Talent will give you +10%, EPrecision will give you +3%, leaving... +3% needed (or 2%?)) |
| 06:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Or 32 +hit |
| 06:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | JunkHead-Work, random question: why did you personally go Spellstrike? |
| 06:13.26 | JunkHead-Work | What do you mean? |
| 06:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Why did you pick up the set and make it? |
| 06:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | What part of it appealed to you? |
| 06:13.49 | JunkHead-Work | Oh the Spellfire? |
| 06:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes Spellfire |
| 06:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's late and my head hurts, sorry |
| 06:14.05 | JunkHead-Work | Well, I could make it... |
| 06:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Always one reason. ;) |
| 06:14.13 | JunkHead-Work | or I could make the fozen shadoweave |
| 06:14.22 | JunkHead-Work | or I can make the mooncloth stuff. |
| 06:14.31 | JunkHead-Work | Seeme dlike an obvious choice being an arcane mage. |
| 06:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 06:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just curious |
| 06:15.23 | JunkHead-Work | Plus, it gave me a reason to actually do tailoring. |
| 06:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Gave a lot of people a reason to do tailoring |
| 06:15.46 | JunkHead-Work | Yup. |
| 06:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (Though with Inscription, I'll be dropping tailoring completly) |
| 06:16.01 | JunkHead-Work | My paladin has engineering. |
| 06:16.06 | JunkHead-Work | Just a hair above 350. |
| 06:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless they give us some BoP 22 or 24 slot bags or something |
| 06:16.13 | JunkHead-Work | No point in going any higher now. |
| 06:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack, okay, my head simply hurts too much. Migraine ftl. |
| 06:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sleeping, have a good night |
| 06:17.09 | JunkHead-Work | night. |
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| 06:33.37 | ckknight | I'm not sure why you all fret about those little extra additions |
| 06:33.44 | ckknight | it's almost as if you forget the most important addition |
| 06:33.47 | ckknight | New hairstyles! |
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| 07:19.19 | abug | I look forward to looking up dalaran's skirt |
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| 08:51.17 | Nom- | bleh anyone know of a mod which turns all the trade skills into '...' |
| 08:51.34 | Nom- | That's all I see now, most annoying...every single recipe just has '...' |
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| 10:02.11 | zenzelezz | Nom-: wasn't that an issue with some fonts/font sizes or something? I seem to recall that a while ago |
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| 12:03.22 | wereHamster | Nom-, some kind of font addon (clearfont?) |
| 12:14.53 | Nom- | Yeah, haven't worked it out yet |
| 12:15.02 | Nom- | Very annoying to have to click down the list to find the potion you want :( |
| 12:15.17 | zenzelezz | if you know the name, use the Search box |
| 12:15.34 | Nom- | Search box is from a mod :) |
| 12:15.37 | Nom- | Which I don't have |
| 12:15.40 | zenzelezz | no it's not |
| 12:15.48 | zenzelezz | they added that a few patches ago |
| 12:16.11 | zenzelezz | both the Search box and the "Have materials" checkbox |
| 12:16.32 | Nom- | well i don't have a search box :/ |
| 12:16.37 | Nom- | Must be a mod which is breaking that then |
| 12:17.01 | zenzelezz | should be right below the skill bar on top of the window |
| 12:18.26 | Nom- | ya its not there |
| 12:18.32 | Nom- | so something must be replacing those frames |
| 12:18.40 | Nom- | and probably breaking the names of the things too |
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| 12:41.02 | wereHamster | Nom-, just pick a random potion :) |
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| 12:45.31 | Industrial | (on the phone) "I want ten billion dollars or you may never see your son again!" "... My son is here ..." "I said may!" |
| 12:47.40 | MoonWolf | Industrial, it could work. |
| 12:48.54 | Kaso | So, did anyone watch the Arena matches on blizzcon live stream ? Im curious about the UI the Comentators were using, that doesnt look like blizzard's design, Have any of the "big" addon authors been helping out? |
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| 14:01.14 | Industrial | Kaso: linkylinky? |
| 14:02.51 | Kaso | i didnt think to take any screenshots |
| 14:04.08 | Kaso | but it was a letterbox style window, with 5 unitframes for each team on top and bottom |
| 14:04.32 | Kaso | the unitframes looked a little like X-Perl, but im not sure |
| 14:04.56 | Kaso | They werent default blizzard thats for sure, they had built in cast-bars and all sorts of lovely stuff |
| 14:13.52 | zenzelezz | could be an internal, as yet unreleased default UI :-o |
| 14:16.16 | Garns | found something, dont expect great quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_rklUVPr2c |
| 14:18.34 | Kaso | Yah thats the UI, though you cant see it all that clearly |
| 14:19.13 | zenzelezz | it had cast bars for all the enemies? |
| 14:19.31 | Kaso | Well it was an observer, so it had for both teams yes |
| 14:19.39 | zenzelezz | oh, I see |
| 14:19.42 | Kaso | that wasnt a UI the players used |
| 14:20.12 | zenzelezz | could be they're working on something like HLTV for the arenas or whatever |
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| 14:44.40 | Kaso | Anyone heard about this Dateline/Defcon thing |
| 14:45.09 | Industrial | woah Texhnolyze (anime) is weiiiird |
| 14:46.05 | zenzelezz | Kaso: heard the name, but that's about it |
| 14:48.16 | Kaso | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=653 |
| 14:48.19 | Kaso | fun fun |
| 14:50.29 | zenzelezz | haha |
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| 15:08.58 | krka | has anyone had a bug that made the graphics more grayish? |
| 15:09.05 | krka | it looks so dull now |
| 15:11.12 | Shirik | check your gamma? |
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| 15:24.16 | krka | no... it just randomly happens in game |
| 15:24.20 | krka | at first it's fine |
| 15:24.24 | krka | then suddently it becomes grayt |
| 15:25.30 | Shirik | wierd |
| 15:28.51 | zenzelezz | you sure it's only WoW? |
| 15:29.21 | zenzelezz | I had that thing, except with a yellowish tint, because my monitor was dying. It would randomly go yellowish for a bit, then switch back to normal, etc |
| 15:32.01 | krka | yeah, only wow |
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| 16:41.31 | zenzelezz | you better clean that up before Cairenn gets back |
| 16:41.47 | Shirik | I never want to see another coroutine again |
| 16:43.14 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/71838 |
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| 16:46.51 | foxlit | If your design involves sending huge chunks of data... time to get a new design? :) |
| 16:47.16 | Shirik | hopefully not |
| 16:47.22 | Shirik | on average that function will be called every 0.25s |
| 16:47.34 | Shirik | you shouldn't be sending it massive tables |
| 16:47.59 | foxlit | So why coroutine at all? |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | to not impose restrictions? ^^; |
| 16:48.44 | foxlit | Restrictions often keep things sane :) |
| 16:48.52 | Shirik | well, I'm hoping that works |
| 16:48.58 | Shirik | haven't tested it at all |
| 16:48.58 | zenzelezz | there's always restrictions, all you do is move them =D |
| 16:49.14 | Shirik | One problem in RDX before was trying to send a huge table would lock up the UI |
| 16:49.28 | Shirik | even though it splits up the data, it would try to encode the entire table at once before sending the packets |
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| 16:58.25 | krka | hmm... does anyone know of a way to convert an svn repository to a subdirectory of another repository? |
| 16:59.21 | Shirik | can't you just do that? |
| 16:59.37 | Shirik | like... I used to just make repositories in subdirectories of repositories |
| 16:59.44 | Shirik | and there was no problem |
| 17:00.01 | Shirik | don't trust that though; I know very little about SVN |
| 17:01.23 | krka | hm |
| 17:01.30 | krka | sure, but those would be standalone |
| 17:01.39 | krka | not at all related to the parent repository |
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| 17:12.18 | Kaso | I wonder how many accounts dont have BC |
| 17:12.23 | Kaso | that'd be an interesting statstic |
| 17:12.27 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 17:12.47 | Kaso | i wonder how many of those would be gold farmer / trader accounts |
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| 17:17.36 | Shirik | don't you think it would be easier to farm at 70 though? |
| 17:17.41 | Shirik | what with all the daily quests |
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| 17:21.19 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, guild drama! |
| 17:21.24 | Shirik | woot |
| 17:21.31 | zenzelezz | does it ever stop? |
| 17:21.32 | Kaso | true Shirik but they also have alot of accounts that (for want of a better word), launder the money. |
| 17:21.33 | zenzelezz | but what now? |
| 17:21.36 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone care if I explain my experiences? |
| 17:21.41 | Shirik | true |
| 17:22.00 | Ky|Sleep | yea, but the cost to but the expansion + time to level their farmer characters would be more than it is to just buy gold off of legeit players and resell it |
| 17:22.06 | zenzelezz | certainly Mike, it's nice to hear someone else's frustrations =) |
| 17:22.43 | zenzelezz | Kyahx: leveling a farm char from 60->70 = serious gold, just buy some cheap greens off AH every few levels |
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| 17:23.22 | Kyahx | yea, but like I said, it's a matter of it being more econimcally profitable to just buy gold off regular players doing daily quests, and resell that stock |
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| 17:23.37 | Kyahx | and using their current farmer accounts to launder the money, instead of actually farming it |
| 17:24.14 | zenzelezz | "normal" players actually sell their gold? |
| 17:24.41 | Kyahx | Why not? |
| 17:25.07 | zenzelezz | all my friends are far more interested in the gold than the money |
| 17:25.11 | Mike-N-Go | Well, I was part of a horde guild called Evidence of Inequity, and this was true. |
| 17:25.21 | Mike-N-Go | An officer, not just part. |
| 17:25.27 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Psh, I don't even buy greens |
| 17:25.29 | Shirik | I just use what I find |
| 17:25.38 | Shirik | unless you mean to sell those |
| 17:25.38 | art3mis | thats what she said |
| 17:25.43 | art3mis | woooOOOOoooo |
| 17:25.50 | Mike-N-Go | Level 70 guild, we tried to run Karazhan, and I was trying to manage the raid. |
| 17:26.13 | Mike-N-Go | Everyone was mad that all other 16 members of the guild, at level 70, could not go. |
| 17:26.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:26.40 | Shirik | tell them to make another raid? |
| 17:26.46 | zenzelezz | at the same time, or weren't attuned? |
| 17:26.49 | Shirik | if there's 16 there should be enough... |
| 17:27.01 | Mike-N-Go | I invited a few people from outside the guild to help us, then they revolted on me. |
| 17:27.32 | Shirik | whooo |
| 17:27.36 | Shirik | gotta love those types of things |
| 17:27.43 | Shirik | btw, today's my two year anniversary with TG ^^ |
| 17:27.51 | zenzelezz | TG? |
| 17:27.56 | Shirik | www.guardianhq.com |
| 17:28.09 | Shirik | though our site's semi-broken right now as we're transferring servers |
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| 17:28.43 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:28.45 | zenzelezz | had a similar thing with a player in my guild; he's got "reserve" status meaning it's members (raiders) -> initiates -> him. He was desperately wanting to do Prince, but we were full and he was late |
| 17:29.09 | Mike-N-Go | Auctuly, only one person was invited to the raid from outer-guild, a tank, and he was tanking insed of one of the warriors whom liked Furry. |
| 17:29.16 | zenzelezz | first he wanted someone else to log his char for him since he couldn't get online, then when he got online he was pissed off because we didn't let him replace someone since he *clearly* needed things more than *everyone* |
| 17:29.24 | zenzelezz | "yeah, real nice guild everyone" *logs* |
| 17:30.37 | Matrix110 | Atleast you dont have people leaving the Naxx progress raid when they get offered to do MC with their alt in a serverpug |
| 17:30.53 | Kaso | thats pretty damn bad |
| 17:30.55 | Matrix110 | or people going afk 1hr to hold the umbrella for the technican |
| 17:31.03 | zenzelezz | judging from the first post on your website Shirik, I'm guessing you just might be an American guild |
| 17:31.08 | Matrix110 | or going afk because he has to make his dad a sandwich |
| 17:31.13 | Shirik | mostly, yes |
| 17:31.16 | Matrix110 | or going afk because he has to dig a hole in the garden |
| 17:31.24 | Kaso | Which naxx raider would even *want* to sit thorugh a MC pug run anyway, that'd be like my own personal hell |
| 17:31.29 | Matrix110 | or going afk because he has to clean the table of his father |
| 17:31.30 | Shirik | =P We aren't affiliated with one game |
| 17:31.37 | Shirik | we're a community, not a guild |
| 17:31.45 | Shirik | though we have guilds |
| 17:32.19 | art3mis | they called Shiriik "Charlie" |
| 17:32.26 | Shirik | they what? |
| 17:32.36 | art3mis | and play helter skelter over vent all the time ;P |
| 17:32.38 | Mike-N-Go | I dunno why they were so mad at me for trying to get a decent group together that can kill a boss, I doubt it will be a long time for them.. as they have only one 70 tank and a scarce amount of healers. |
| 17:33.18 | zenzelezz | people always think they're the important one and the rest should bend to their whim |
| 17:33.22 | art3mis | and have a "strat" on thier web page for howto take down the boss "Tate" ;P |
| 17:33.25 | Mike-N-Go | And like 10 level 70 hunters and 7 others at 70.. |
| 17:33.37 | Mike-N-Go | I even helped with the 'site. |
| 17:34.12 | Mike-N-Go | Paid some money for it, but no, they yell at me who picked up leading the raid, for some reason. |
| 17:34.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, drama |
| 17:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like they have no clue what 'part of a whole' means when it comes to raiding |
| 17:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And a fury warrior tanking prince? |
| 17:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | GOOD LUCK. |
| 17:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, you probably could have communicated things better, from what I'm seeing/not seeing |
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| 18:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712446481&postId=7119153374&sid=1#230 <-- I couldn't resist |
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| 18:11.25 | Kaso | clearly the best |
| 18:11.27 | foxlit | EU PTRs > US PTRs |
| 18:11.35 | foxlit | "What's a queue?" |
| 18:11.56 | Iriel | Do the EU PTR's have pre-mades? |
| 18:12.15 | Iriel | That seems to be the single biggest factor in queue size |
| 18:12.22 | zenzelezz | while it's speculation on my part, I don't see why they wouldn't have pre-mades there too |
| 18:12.28 | foxlit | Not sure, but I think they do |
| 18:13.17 | Kaso | Im not sure if they've been offically launched yet, but a good few weeks ago i copied mine over by un-commenting the pre-made box on the char-transfer page. |
| 18:13.25 | foxlit | Plenty of people running around doing nothing useful, but I don't think I've been forced to stay in a queue since round about 1.11 |
| 18:13.29 | Kaso | And alot of other people have done |
| 18:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They should just lock the PTR forum and delete all the premades |
| 18:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And be done with it |
| 18:14.11 | Kaso | The reason they re-added premades was cos noone was going on PTRs and noone was testing, they served their purpose i think |
| 18:14.12 | foxlit | Kaso: there's a background story there |
| 18:14.13 | Iriel | This is the first US PTR that i've had a queue on in a while |
| 18:14.23 | foxlit | They pulled PTR premades since you could transfer them to live servers at some point |
| 18:14.31 | foxlit | s/since/because/ |
| 18:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ lol |
| 18:14.38 | Kaso | wow |
| 18:14.40 | Kaso | thats awesome |
| 18:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd do that in a heartbeat |
| 18:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 5,000g for $25USD? |
| 18:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes please |
| 18:15.31 | foxlit | I'd imagine there was a ban wave when that was fixed. |
| 18:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 18:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Or at least a mass deletion wave |
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| 18:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | When did they re-enable the ability to move people around raid groups while in combat? |
| 18:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Last I heard it was disabled (see: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=53666202&sid=1&pageNo=1#14 and following post) |
| 18:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's apparently back |
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| 18:26.44 | Iriel | Programatically? or manually? |
| 18:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | If I'm reading this correctly, at all |
| 18:27.08 | Iriel | I know there were some attempts at reducing the likelihood of tainting in the base UI in the last couple of patches |
| 18:27.18 | Shirik | oh, morning Iriel |
| 18:27.25 | Shirik | I was just thinking today how I hadn't seen you here in a while >< |
| 18:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | From that thread, it was programatically |
| 18:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But likewise, the UI wouldn't be able to either |
| 18:28.09 | Shirik | isn't it just the targetting by that frame is removed? |
| 18:28.14 | Shirik | not the moving people around |
| 18:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the thread I linked.. I'm all confused about it now personally |
| 18:28.28 | Iriel | That's possible, i'm not much of a raider 8-) |
| 18:28.30 | Shirik | I thought they made those nonsecure |
| 18:28.38 | Shirik | insecure? unsecure? |
| 18:28.39 | Shirik | whatever |
| 18:28.41 | Shirik | not secure |
| 18:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Because last I heard, moving people in and out of groups while in combat was disabled (see thread); now apparently it isn't |
| 18:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have multiple clueless pricks laughing at me because apparently it is possible :p |
| 18:29.38 | Shirik | can't see thread but I trust you :P |
| 18:29.49 | Iriel | Your best bet, as always, is to log in and try it |
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| 18:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like you can swap them in combat |
| 18:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's amazingly easy to taint still |
| 18:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 18:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | oRA2 is tainting it :/ |
| 18:45.08 | Punkie` | i have ora2 and can move people in combat |
| 18:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, no it's not |
| 18:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So wtf IS tainting it |
| 18:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I have all of my addons enabled again.. |
| 18:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Have a safe drive |
| 18:47.01 | Iriel | Thanks, see you all later (or tomorrow, if traffic is bad and I dont have time to log in this evening) |
| 18:47.19 | Shirik | Thrae: ping |
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| 18:53.00 | TS|Skrom_ | ugh |
| 18:53.09 | TS|Skrom_ | I thought UNIT_SPELLCAST_START reported on everyone? |
| 18:55.02 | TS|Skrom_ | SENT I mean |
| 18:55.10 | Kyahx | just the player IIRC |
| 18:55.17 | TS|Skrom_ | aww :( |
| 18:55.25 | TS|Skrom_ | then why bother with arg1? (unit casting the spell) |
| 18:55.36 | Kyahx | pet |
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| 19:40.11 | Shirik | is globals really a keyword? |
| 19:41.09 | ckknight | no |
| 19:41.26 | Shirik | wonder why scite's highlighting it :/ |
| 19:41.48 | ckknight | cause you're in python mode? |
| 19:42.13 | Shirik | heh, no >< |
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| 19:51.46 | Kaso | My Scite doesnt highligh global in Lua Mode |
| 20:09.50 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: About a furry warrior tanking, he had been protection eairler. But, he enjoys furry and has been specced such for months. He tanks SV normal alright.. |
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| 20:17.46 | zenzelezz | the key word there is "normal" |
| 20:17.54 | zenzelezz | heroics and raids hit harder |
| 20:18.16 | zenzelezz | and if your guild is anything like mine, he'd at least need the +threat talent |
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| 20:21.11 | Kaso | Fury tanks, moonkin/shadow/enhancement/retrib healers. PvP dpsers, i hate them all |
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| 20:21.57 | zenzelezz | PvP DPSers as in people specced for PvP DPS trying to do PvE DPS? |
| 20:22.05 | Kaso | yes |
| 20:22.58 | Kaso | if you're gonna raid use the right bloody spec, its not fair that 24/9 other people have to make up for your crappy spec |
| 20:23.39 | zenzelezz | aye |
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| 20:24.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:24.46 | Shirik | Kaso sounds like me the other night |
| 20:24.55 | Shirik | when I found out one of our healing priests is pvp specced |
| 20:25.39 | [dRaCo] | discipline with pain suppression? ^^ |
| 20:25.40 | zenzelezz | I'm a bit puzzled by the people that get the materials for the Felsteel plate tank items and ask to have them crafted rather than just pick them up on the AH... there's like a million blacksmiths all leveling their skill on them and selling them for a fraction of the material cost |
| 20:26.19 | Kaso | i think people just assume that it'll always be cheaper to get mats and crafting rather than AH |
| 20:26.30 | zenzelezz | probably |
| 20:26.38 | Shirik | in most cases it is; the only people who know that's a good thing to make for leveling is the people that actually have the skill |
| 20:26.38 | Kaso | ive never played a plate class and i wouldve assumed the same. |
| 20:26.41 | zenzelezz | it's painfully untrue about those items :-| |
| 20:26.52 | Shirik | naturally if they were of that profession, they wouldn't be asking for it |
| 20:27.11 | zenzelezz | if they mine the eternium then it's cheaper of course,but Eternium prices are through the roof on my server |
| 20:27.19 | zenzelezz | you get a few pieces for the cost of the finished item, heh |
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| 22:03.02 | Shirik | wierd you can't have blank lines in your toc file? |
| 22:05.24 | Shirik | no, that wasn't it |
| 22:05.26 | Shirik | why is my file not running T_T |
| 22:05.59 | zenzelezz | maybe it's just not scared enough to flee |
| 22:10.44 | Cide | Shirik: what file? |
| 22:10.56 | Shirik | one of my lua files |
| 22:11.54 | Shirik | that doesn't make sense, it has to be running afaict so it must be something else |
| 22:12.07 | Shirik | but the very first two lines are: |
| 22:12.18 | Shirik | local Sync = Conspiracy:RegisterModule("Synchronization Subsystem", {0,0,1}, {0,0,1}); |
| 22:12.18 | Shirik | Conspiracy.Sync = Sync; |
| 22:12.23 | Shirik | and Conspiracy.Sync is nil so... |
| 22:12.46 | Cide | and registermodule returns something at all times? |
| 22:13.27 | bleeter | how you doin', mate? hope all's well in Cide-dom |
| 22:13.59 | Shirik | the only time it doesn't return something is when it throws an error |
| 22:14.02 | Shirik | and since I don't have any errors... |
| 22:16.08 | Shirik | there's no like "too early" right? If an error happens really early, it will still be caught by something? |
| 22:16.16 | Shirik | mmm.... do I have blizzard error handler disabled >.> |
| 22:16.17 | Cide | dunno |
| 22:16.36 | Shirik | betting that was it |
| 22:16.49 | Shirik | yup |
| 22:18.32 | Shirik | I need to get a real error handler now :/ any recommendations? |
| 22:19.47 | Kaso | Bugsack if you're acey, Improved Error Frame if you're not |
| 22:19.56 | bleeter | !swatter if you're cool |
| 22:20.14 | bleeter | http://norganna.org/svn/auctioneer/trunk/!swatter/ |
| 22:20.39 | Shirik | lgpl? |
| 22:20.42 | Shirik | why not gpl? |
| 22:20.50 | bleeter | dunno, ask norgs! :P |
| 22:21.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:29.07 | Shirik | so how do I clear the errors? |
| 22:29.12 | Shirik | I assume a /swatter command |
| 22:29.38 | Shirik | got it :P |
| 22:32.52 | bleeter | thought you would've looked over the sauce and seen that! :P |
| 22:38.23 | Shirik | I've been working on this too much today |
| 22:38.26 | Shirik | my brain doesn't work anymore |
| 22:38.48 | Shirik | all stupid mistakes |
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| 23:28.34 | TS|Skrom | Does Unit_Spellcast_Start fire on instants? |
| 23:29.45 | Corrodias | JOOOIN TOGETHER IN THE BAND |
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| 23:55.34 | TS|Skrom_ | I guess I'm on a fools errand >< |
| 23:56.51 | TS|Skrom_ | Can't find a way to detect my party's instant cast spells :-/ someone want to confirm so I can stop wasting my time? :D |
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| 23:58.03 | abug | wait for 2.4? |
| 23:58.08 | TS|Skrom_ | oh? |
| 23:58.22 | abug | I jest, it probably won't make a difference |
| 23:58.32 | TS|Skrom_ | ahh :-/ |
| 23:59.09 | TS|Skrom_ | I guess I'm back to parsing chat messages again |
| 23:59.33 | dnmcgoy | is it possible to be in two frames at the same time? |
