| 00:00.04 | Wraanger | so where is the point of having not-so-often-used buttons cluttering the screen ? |
| 00:00.28 | Kyahx | *inc dash plug* |
| 00:00.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | baggins doesn't, its bags are all virtual :O |
| 00:00.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like knowing how many slots i have left in each bag and whatnot too |
| 00:00.57 | Kyahx | and there it is! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html |
| 00:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i said, the UI seems too leftheavy if i don't have something over there |
| 00:02.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and since i use them often enough i may as well have them there |
| 00:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had them on autohide for a while but decided just to leave them up |
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| 00:03.02 | Wobwork | <3 Dash |
| 00:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish LFGAlways had a fubar plugin so i didn't have to use the minimap button |
| 00:03.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 00:03.44 | Wraanger | yeah, Dash is GOOD |
| 00:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's kind of an ugly button |
| 00:04.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | he kinda hastily threw it together i guess |
| 00:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | or an addon that uses fubar with similar functionality :O |
| 00:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | that would be nice too |
| 00:08.04 | Kyahx | Mr_Rabies2: TidyMinimap |
| 00:08.20 | Kyahx | Its a system-tray type mod for minimap buttons, I replaced fubar with it =/ |
| 00:08.32 | Kyahx | I don't need to see all that text, im ok with buttons |
| 00:08.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | There is no in-game configuration, all settings are in the Settings.lua file to keep it simple. |
| 00:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and thus it fails |
| 00:08.53 | Kyahx | so edit the lua? :P |
| 00:09.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm far too lazy to do that |
| 00:09.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather someone make one that allows you to move minimap buttons to the fubar frame :P |
| 00:09.39 | Kyahx | Fubar makes babies cry :( |
| 00:10.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that? it's small and gives a ton of info |
| 00:10.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 00:10.48 | Kyahx | Eh, it gives me a bunch of unneeded info. |
| 00:11.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it gives you only as much info as you want |
| 00:11.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why i like it |
| 00:11.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's awesomely customizable |
| 00:11.17 | Kyahx | So do minimap buttons in tray form :P hehe |
| 00:11.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, but it fails in two seperate ways |
| 00:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | uses its own frame when i have fubar, and it has no ingame configuration |
| 00:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use addons without some type of GUI configuration for the most part |
| 00:12.27 | Kyahx | typical windows user :P |
| 00:12.34 | Kyahx | hehe |
| 00:14.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | if someone's too lazy to implement a GUI then i'm too lazy to download and waste time running console commands |
| 00:15.13 | Kyahx | do you have any idea how long a gui generally takes to make vs a slash handler? |
| 00:15.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably a lot longer but that's their problem not mine :P |
| 00:16.29 | dylanm | Hurray for an impasse. |
| 00:17.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've passed over using plenty of addons for having either no configuration or horribly user unfriendly configuration |
| 00:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | pitbull's userfriendly until you get into the dogtags, but they're not required for most people |
| 00:17.51 | Kyahx | I'd say that *is* your problem, and not that authors :P |
| 00:18.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't have to implement a GUI, but i also don't have to like using console commands :P |
| 00:19.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | just don't expect it to get many downloads if you care about that sort of thing unless it's user friendly |
| 00:20.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't have to accomodate their addons for me, but i also don't have to like wasting time typing commands into the editbox for two hours |
| 00:22.54 | Shirik | never code without thinking of your userbase |
| 00:23.07 | Shirik | in WoW, your userbase is mostly 13-yearolds that don't know much about computers, and don't want to learn |
| 00:23.14 | Shirik | They just want to become l33t pwnzorz |
| 00:23.52 | dylanm | I'm not sure that that's a desirable set of users. |
| 00:23.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like spending time configuring my stuff |
| 00:24.03 | Shirik | It may not be desireable |
| 00:24.05 | Shirik | but it's what exists. |
| 00:24.05 | Kyahx | I still fail to see how editing a text file quick is not user friendly :P but I suppose im biased |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik | Because most people don't even know where to find said text file |
| 00:24.31 | Wraanger | you know, Shirik .... I would prefer my addon downloaded by 10 sane people than 1000000 "l33t pwnzorz" |
| 00:24.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:24.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | however i don't like spending time typing /giantaddonname config add stack [Wild Quilvine] 3 |
| 00:24.41 | Shirik | well, that's up to you I guess |
| 00:24.45 | Kyahx | heh |
| 00:24.55 | Kyahx | l33t pwnzorz <3 LOW MEMORY (chat) |
| 00:24.58 | Shirik | afk again >< |
| 00:24.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | over and over for various things |
| 00:25.08 | Wraanger | most of what i code is for more or less private use ) |
| 00:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's entirely fine |
| 00:25.46 | Kyahx | Honestly, 90% of the (Ace) mods out don't have good configs either, they have been spoiled by AceOptions |
| 00:26.01 | Kyahx | its still config add stack [Item], just in a dropdown list |
| 00:26.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got nothing against people that code for themselves only, you're less likely to burn out when you code for yourself |
| 00:26.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but don't expect a lot of other people using it if it's not user friendly |
| 00:26.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you don't care about that then that's fine |
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| 00:47.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 00:48.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | lock pulled aggro on prince |
| 00:48.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | great job |
| 00:48.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 00:49.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is my first time here and i'm being super careful |
| 00:51.02 | Wraanger | prince is more-or-less easy with 3 good healers and 1 good tank :) |
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| 00:51.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | we've got |
| 00:51.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 healers i think |
| 00:51.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 00:51.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | pally and priest i think but the priest may be shadow |
| 00:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | we did fine until the lock pulled aggro |
| 00:52.48 | JoshBorke | pulling aggro is bad, mmkay? |
| 00:52.50 | Wraanger | we got a troubles at Phase 2 with 2 healers |
| 01:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 01:00.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | we got him to 8% with awful infernal luck |
| 01:00.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | abyssal |
| 01:00.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever |
| 01:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'll get him next time |
| 01:02.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless we get the whole floor covered with them this time |
| 01:03.22 | Wraanger | first time we tried Prince ...we have wiped like 15 or 20 times ) |
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| 01:05.18 | dnmcgoy | good evening all |
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| 01:21.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 01:21.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | another bad abyssal spawn |
| 01:29.57 | dnmcgoy | is it possible to call setbinding on something that inherits from ActionBarButtonTemplate? |
| 01:31.49 | dnmcgoy | I figure there might be with ActionBarButtonTemplate inheriting from SecureActionButtonTemplate, so I figure it might be a problem with me setting attributes correctly or something |
| 01:32.30 | Shirik | wtb scite not trying to auto-complete inside comments ffs |
| 01:32.39 | Shirik | it's getting so annoying it's rediculous |
| 01:33.07 | Wraanger | WTB lua config for Notepad2 ) |
| 01:33.29 | Shirik | (that was more of a "does anyone know how to turn this crap off?" in a pissed-off manner) |
| 01:33.43 | Shirik | I've dealt with it for like a year but I can't take it anymore |
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| 01:36.53 | tlarson | is it possible to call a macro from the in-game command line? |
| 01:37.41 | Wraanger | ./script <name> |
| 01:38.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 01:38.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | prince is fun as hell |
| 01:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 01:39.03 | Kaso | tlarson, you need to either have the macro dropped onto an actionbutton, or make your own secureactionbutton tied to that macro |
| 01:39.31 | Kaso | then you can use the /click command |
| 01:39.35 | tlarson | how do you make a secureactionbutton ? |
| 01:39.42 | Wobwork | painfully |
| 01:39.52 | tlarson | im a programmer, i can handle painfully |
| 01:40.06 | Kaso | is the enter on the chatbox input enough for casting spells? i dont remeber |
| 01:40.20 | Kaso | can you do /click button1 [enter] and have it cast a spell? |
| 01:40.35 | Shirik | tlarson: That's not a simple question at all |
| 01:40.42 | Shirik | Kaso: Yes |
| 01:40.47 | Shirik | tlarson: How much do you know about Lua? |
| 01:41.19 | Shirik | To answer your question directly, CreateFrame("FRAME", "SecureActionButton") |
| 01:41.29 | Wobwork | >< |
| 01:41.30 | Shirik | er |
| 01:41.32 | Wobwork | I'm a programmer too |
| 01:41.34 | Shirik | !api CreateFrame |
| 01:41.35 | ThraeBot | Shirik: newFrame = CreateFrame("frameType", "frameName", parentFrame[, "inheritsFrame"]); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 01:41.40 | Shirik | I meant |
| 01:41.43 | Wobwork | but secureaction frames cause me physical pain |
| 01:41.51 | Shirik | CreateFrame("FRAME", nil, UIParent, "SecureActionButton") |
| 01:42.21 | Shirik | Secure frames still cause ME pain |
| 01:42.32 | Shirik | and I've used them since they came out |
| 01:42.58 | Wobwork | There was a point where I -almost- understood them with Splut |
| 01:43.02 | Wobwork | but that's long past =P |
| 01:43.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:43.18 | Wobwork | Maybe when I get bored of playing again, I'll take another stab at it |
| 01:43.23 | Wobwork | With a rusty shiv |
| 01:43.25 | Wobwork | stabstabstab |
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| 01:45.41 | dnmcgoy | Wobwork, I'm having similar problems |
| 01:46.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 01:46.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | tier 4 helm is mine :D |
| 01:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | first time on prince too |
| 01:46.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost feel bad for getting it first run |
| 01:46.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 01:47.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was gonna give it to our tank but it was master loot |
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| 01:50.08 | tlarson | so, then, does a command like CreateFrame have to be run every time the UI reloads? |
| 01:50.54 | Wobwork | yes |
| 01:51.06 | Wobwork | but that's the same with any frame creation |
| 01:51.36 | dnmcgoy | tlarson: what is it that you're trying to do? |
| 01:52.38 | tlarson | just playing with macros, but I have limited icon slots so I was looking at alternate ways of invoking them. |
| 01:53.55 | dnmcgoy | do you need more than the multiaction bar provides? |
| 01:54.11 | tlarson | which is the multiaction bar? |
| 01:54.23 | tlarson | the standard action bar? |
| 01:54.45 | dnmcgoy | its the group of icons right above the main bar that is usually invisible.. it has two rows.. there's also one that has two rows on the right hands ide |
| 01:55.15 | dnmcgoy | they become semi-visible if you try to drag a spell icon somewhere |
| 01:55.27 | dnmcgoy | if they don't become visible for you then you have to turn them on |
| 01:56.14 | tlarson | yeah, those fill up fast. |
| 01:56.47 | dnmcgoy | tried bartender? |
| 01:56.58 | Wraanger | how ? even with a PvP shaman, I have never filled up more than 2 bars and a half |
| 01:57.41 | dnmcgoy | I'm trying to come up with something that I like better than bartender, but I'm currently running into secureactionbutton-ness |
| 01:57.58 | tlarson | never tried it |
| 01:58.17 | dnmcgoy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6342-Bartender3.html |
| 01:58.58 | dnmcgoy | the main problem I see with most action bar addition is that the interface is bleck |
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| 01:59.12 | dnmcgoy | half the time it takes out the main bar |
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| 02:02.32 | dnmcgoy | ah, much better.. I should be registered now |
| 02:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Geez, 1700 in the PvE queue |
| 02:03.05 | Shirik | omg "preparing to download new patch" NOT INTERESTED |
| 02:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have to wait in the queue before it'll let you patch? |
| 02:05.21 | dnmcgoy | so, much like Wobwork, who knows much about secureactionbutons? |
| 02:05.32 | dnmcgoy | any help would be massively appreciated |
| 02:06.22 | dnmcgoy | I'm reading dock, I think I even found a page of someone with the same problem, but unfortunately no answers |
| 02:08.12 | Wobwork | Iriel would be the best to talk to about SAF |
| 02:09.13 | dnmcgoy | isn't that like the main admin? I'd assume he/she is massively busy |
| 02:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Main admin? No, but he's very established in the community :) |
| 02:13.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to hack together an addon that removes the invite option from the unitframe context menu :[ |
| 02:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 02:27.51 | tlarson | So here's what I figured out (correct me if I'm wrong): macros can only be run from an action button, of which there can only ever be 72 (+a few more for classes like druids) |
| 02:28.30 | Wobwork | thought there were more? |
| 02:28.51 | tlarson | there's 120 button ids, but some of them will crash wow if used |
| 02:29.05 | Nom- | omg nerf mages |
| 02:29.06 | Nom- | http://epicpyro.ytmnd.com/ |
| 02:29.29 | tlarson | 6*12 for teh ones you can easily get to, plus a few more that appear when you do things like cat form |
| 02:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-, nothing like stolen percentage damage increases, and staging it |
| 02:32.10 | cog|book | tlarson: that's actually not the case |
| 02:32.22 | cog|book | you can also run macros from secure templates |
| 02:33.05 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone run a guild bank, or know how theirs is ran? I am interested in forming one for my guild? |
| 02:33.32 | Wobwork | wait for 2.3? |
| 02:33.40 | Wobwork | er whichever patch it is |
| 02:33.50 | cog|book | in fact, i'm working on an action button library that behaves like the default UI's but is entirely comprised of secure attributes ('spell', 'macro', or 'item') and not action slots |
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| 02:35.09 | cog|book | (don't plan to release it any time soon... a couple APIs are only available for actions and there's no reasonable workaround) |
| 02:35.18 | tlarson | where do you find documentation on this kind of thing? |
| 02:35.30 | clad|away | Good evening from Missouri |
| 02:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | tlarson, the source code in the interface. |
| 02:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | tlarson, see wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 02:37.51 | Wobwork | The medium is the message =P |
| 02:39.07 | Wobwork | hm |
| 02:39.10 | Wobwork | grabbing lunch |
| 02:41.11 | tlarson | thanks all. gtg |
| 02:45.07 | cog|book | hmm... if addon A calls a function in addon B and B calls a protected function, which gets the blame? |
| 02:46.04 | clad|away | for CPU? |
| 02:46.08 | clad|away | or taint |
| 02:46.20 | cog|book | taint |
| 02:46.29 | clad|away | taint shoudl fall with the last addon to taint the codepath |
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| 02:48.50 | cog|book | can you log into the ptr & live simultaneously? |
| 02:49.31 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 02:49.47 | cog|book | thanks... didn't want to risk losing my place by testing :P |
| 02:50.29 | mikma | ttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11482 :D |
| 02:51.20 | mikma | s/ttp/http/ |
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| 03:00.57 | Wobwork | !api SetBindingClick |
| 03:00.58 | ThraeBot | Wobwork: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetBindingClick |
| 03:01.49 | N|Tivoli | cog|book, IsCurrentCast!!!! ^^ |
| 03:02.05 | cog|book | N|Tivoli: how'd you guess? :P |
| 03:02.06 | JoshBorke | night all- |
| 03:02.09 | N|Tivoli | hehe |
| 03:02.21 | cog|book | Man... running 2 WoWs and using flip 3d to go between them is shiny |
| 03:02.38 | N|Tivoli | hot |
| 03:02.59 | Shirik | ThraeBot is so polite |
| 03:03.04 | Shirik | "Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one?" |
| 03:03.05 | N|Tivoli | too bad vista is -20 fps for installing =\ |
| 03:03.14 | Kyahx | cog|book: compiz? |
| 03:03.19 | N|Tivoli | well, not necessarily, can be tweaked a bit |
| 03:03.21 | cog|book | Kyahx: vista |
| 03:03.25 | Kyahx | eww :P |
| 03:03.39 | cog|book | I was with you once... :P |
| 03:04.00 | Kyahx | come back! |
| 03:04.05 | cog|book | I really like vista though... in spite of all its... quirks :\ |
| 03:04.11 | Kyahx | eh |
| 03:04.14 | Kyahx | I wasn't impressed |
| 03:04.33 | Kyahx | when I was gettign worse FPS in vista vs wine, I lost hope |
| 03:04.47 | Kyahx | aero is nasty |
| 03:05.14 | cog|book | I like areo and my FPS runs 55-60 on average (up to the 120s in some places) |
| 03:05.28 | cog|book | it might work a bit faster in wine, but at that point, it's insignificant |
| 03:06.03 | Kyahx | It seemed to be a bigger hit for me |
| 03:06.09 | Kyahx | like ~15 fps different |
| 03:06.11 | cog|book | (plus, I can never seem to get my graphics tweaked as high-quality under wine as under windows) |
| 03:06.22 | Kyahx | well you can't, but I also have older hardware |
| 03:07.41 | cog|book | I favor pretty over smooth to some extent... I've never felt the game wasn't playable (except on my last card in razorgore's room) |
| 03:07.52 | Kyahx | heh |
| 03:09.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/images/screens/insider/020/comics/ss176.jpg |
| 03:09.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwahahahaha |
| 03:09.51 | cog|book | Our guild leader couldn't stay connected in there. She'd be disconnected within 5-10 secs of logging in. once the fight was over, she could come in and stay no problem... |
| 03:13.19 | Kyahx | I always d/ced in razer too |
| 03:13.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always crashed in bwl |
| 03:14.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially chromaggus' room |
| 03:14.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was an ATI bug |
| 03:14.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 03:26.17 | Nom- | OMG |
| 03:26.21 | Nom- | Changed guilds last night |
| 03:26.29 | Nom- | New guild is going to farm BWL :D |
| 03:26.32 | Mike-N-Go | WoW won't let me log in!!11? |
| 03:27.45 | Nom- | Mike-N-Go: You shouldn't have botted!! :D |
| 03:27.52 | Nom- | bleh |
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| 03:31.31 | Shirik | whoo I used "this" and I'm proud! |
| 03:31.40 | clad|away | eew |
| 03:32.19 | Shirik | but before you kill me |
| 03:32.20 | Shirik | local this = charData or {}; |
| 03:32.25 | Shirik | I was just too lazy to think of a better name |
| 03:35.13 | clad|away | hehe |
| 03:38.27 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:43.32 | Shirik | hrm, is this valid? |
| 03:43.52 | Shirik | local this = (character and charData or globalData)[key] |
| 03:43.57 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 03:43.57 | ckknight | no reason it wouldn't be, it's just a name |
| 03:44.15 | Shirik | sorry, shouldn't have split that up amongst multiple lines :P new use of this :P |
| 03:44.21 | Shirik | the english form |
| 03:45.10 | Shirik | considering writing this: local this = (character and charData or globalData)[key] or {}; |
| 03:46.52 | ckknight | call it thingy |
| 03:47.03 | ckknight | or data |
| 03:47.04 | ckknight | or db |
| 03:47.55 | Shirik | just worried about the (character and charData or globalData)[key] |
| 03:48.01 | Shirik | never actually tried to index an expression before |
| 03:49.54 | Wobwork | It should resolve the () first before trying to index it |
| 03:50.02 | Wobwork | (note, -should-) =) |
| 03:51.45 | Shirik | I think it will |
| 03:51.52 | Shirik | just kinda wierd I've never done that before |
| 03:52.03 | Shirik | however I had to take off the "or {}" later because I don't want to catch "false", only nil |
| 03:52.13 | Shirik | but I guess we'll see tomorrow |
| 03:52.16 | Shirik | I'm heading out, take care |
| 03:54.08 | Thrae | hm |
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| 04:27.50 | Nom- | ooooomg |
| 04:28.04 | Nom- | JUICE on our server has already started hitting CoT |
| 04:28.11 | Nom- | 159 US rank |
| 04:28.12 | Nom- | nuts |
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| 04:35.39 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: if you have an 8139 realtek card, *DONT* update your kernel. It appears the current full kernel has, erm, issues with that card. I'm about to try a testing kernel. If you use 8139, lemme know and I'll report back. |
| 04:37.07 | Wobwork | 'lo Iriel |
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| 04:44.41 | Nom- | hmm you can adjust raid groups in combat now ? |
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| 04:53.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Nom-> JUICE on our server has already started hitting CoT |
| 04:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | this sentence confuses me :[ |
| 04:53.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you mean hyjal? |
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| 05:09.51 | Nom- | Yeah, Hyjal |
| 05:10.07 | Nom- | We killed Void Reaver last night |
| 05:10.23 | Nom- | Armory is a little slow to update at the moment tho |
| 05:10.46 | Nom- | heyyyy |
| 05:10.46 | Nom- | there it goes |
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| 05:10.52 | Nom- | Finally updated :) |
| 05:11.20 | Nom- | Finally has my guild upated now |
| 05:11.30 | Nom- | 12 hours later |
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| 05:13.31 | Nom- | I wonder how much of a pushover Vael is going to be in BWL now :P |
| 05:15.35 | bleeter | armory is such fail in elinks :( |
| 05:21.30 | Nom- | armory is actually really sluggish |
| 05:21.31 | Nom- | But still useful |
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| 05:34.04 | Cairenn | Kaydeethree: ping? |
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| 06:09.28 | End | did I just fix me code on accident? |
| 06:12.49 | Cairenn|afk | night all |
| 06:14.26 | Wobwork | End: Whoops? |
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| 07:42.16 | Tem | ah, I am a god in this wsg |
| 07:42.20 | Tem | 62 kills |
| 07:42.22 | Tem | 2 deaths |
| 07:43.22 | ckknight | what class? |
| 07:43.26 | Tem | mage |
| 07:43.35 | Tem | for some reason I outgear the whole other team |
| 07:43.40 | Tem | like.. by a lot |
| 07:43.45 | Tem | but we're alliance |
| 07:43.47 | Tem | so we can't win |
| 07:49.49 | MoonWolf | win by tenacity |
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| 08:06.29 | Tem | it's finally over |
| 08:06.47 | Tem | aparently, our probably was our FC was way too squishy |
| 08:07.11 | Tem | and a frost mage (me =P) turned out to be resilient enough to make it across |
| 08:07.57 | Tem | s/probably/problem/ |
| 08:08.08 | Tem | my fingers betray me because they're sleepy |
| 08:08.52 | MoonWolf | go sleep then. |
| 08:09.36 | Tem | I need one more AV |
| 08:09.46 | Tem | then I'll have enough honor to buy my boots tomorrow |
| 08:09.54 | Tem | or maybe I should buy a ring |
| 08:09.56 | Tem | dunno |
| 08:10.10 | Tem | I'm kinda torn on the boots because they're a stam downgrade from my current boots |
| 08:10.40 | Tem | but it's +26 resil, and a dps upgrade |
| 08:10.58 | Tem | I guess I need to stop stam whoring |
| 08:11.34 | zenzelezz | not necessarily stop, just don't apply it to individual items |
| 08:11.58 | Tem | I just dislike watching my hp drop |
| 08:12.14 | Tem | but really, an extra 60 hp isn't going to save my life |
| 08:13.17 | zenzelezz | that's part of the joy of being a tank... I remember once when someone in my guild was explaining the Aran fight to someone new... "If he's on Zenzio don't interrupt, cause he has a shitload of hitpoints" |
| 08:13.40 | Tem | interrupt? |
| 08:13.45 | zenzelezz | Aran's nukes |
| 08:13.51 | Tem | I wasn't aware that I could |
| 08:14.03 | Tem | (I've only done him once) |
| 08:14.23 | Tem | (well, three times including the 2 wipes before the kill) |
| 08:14.40 | zenzelezz | you can interrupt all the Fireballs, Frostbolts and Arcane Missiles, but not the Flame Wreath, Blizzard or Arcane Explosion |
| 08:14.56 | zenzelezz | ideally you let him half-finish casting a fire/frost bolt and then interrupt |
| 08:15.12 | Tem | I like how they took the cool things from the naxx fights and put them in new dungeons |
| 08:15.14 | Tem | liek the blizzard |
| 08:15.19 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 08:15.19 | Tem | make the fight very mobile |
| 08:15.24 | Tem | but then BAM flame wreath |
| 08:15.31 | zenzelezz | they've come a long way with the raid boss fights |
| 08:28.37 | Thunder_Child | i love flame wreath, gives lots of time for the casters to hammer on him |
| 08:28.53 | Thunder_Child | mele to if they are in position |
| 08:34.08 | MoonWolf | aran is not very melee friendly though |
| 08:34.21 | MoonWolf | so a high possiblity exists that they will not be in range. |
| 08:34.52 | Thunder_Child | well if they are doing what they should e.g. interupting him, they will be |
| 08:37.05 | Tem | see, I found it to be a melee friendly fight |
| 08:37.15 | Tem | range must stand still to do damage |
| 08:37.29 | zenzelezz | the only time he's not melee friendly is if he decides to move around in the room |
| 08:37.30 | Tem | and it's a _very_ mobile fight |
| 08:37.37 | MoonWolf | that too |
| 08:37.46 | Tem | he was pretty firm in the middle of the room for my experience |
| 08:37.55 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.08 | zenzelezz | it varies a lot for us |
| 08:38.18 | zenzelezz | seems to happens after some of the interrupts |
| 08:38.25 | MoonWolf | might be related. |
| 08:38.35 | zenzelezz | maybe he decides to try a melee on some ranged person, I never quite figured exactly what it was |
| 08:38.56 | MoonWolf | may simply be random like the deep breath from everyone's favourite black dragon. |
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| 12:38.16 | TheZanke | what is the horde "stormcrow" called in the MPQs? |
| 12:38.25 | TheZanke | like for wowmodelviewer or w/e |
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| 12:44.04 | zenzelezz | why do night-elf females balance on one foot while using the Hearthstone? |
| 12:45.21 | krka | they're using the hearthstone because they really really really need to pee |
| 12:46.21 | zenzelezz | that might explain why they're also so jumpy |
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| 14:07.49 | cog|book | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712441774 |
| 14:08.44 | krka | give what up? O_o |
| 14:08.48 | krka | i am suddently curious |
| 14:08.57 | cogwheel | krka: scroll up (two lines) |
| 14:09.08 | cogwheel | :P |
| 14:09.10 | krka | now, that just ruined my fun :P |
| 14:09.31 | cogwheel | don't worry... i'm sure peppy will come up with more fun things for you to think about |
| 14:09.47 | cogwheel | Perhaps carnival rides? |
| 14:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Always seem too, wearing the naughty gnome hat on carnival rides can be great fun. |
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| 14:24.59 | Kaso | oh man |
| 14:25.05 | Kaso | that thread is awesome |
| 14:29.13 | TS|Skrom | what an arrogant moron |
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| 14:32.20 | Cairenn|afk | that's one way of putting it |
| 14:33.33 | krka | i for one welcome our arrogant moron overlords |
| 14:33.39 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 14:34.19 | zenzelezz | doesn't help, they still smell conspiracy |
| 14:36.05 | krka | funnily enough, the overlords generally are arrogant morons |
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| 15:13.17 | TS|Skrom | cog|work I thought he was commenting on your sig, didn't even notice you had changed it XD |
| 15:13.32 | cog|work | hehe |
| 15:17.50 | End | it seems to be not reading stickies is pretty common across all the forums :-/ |
| 15:18.00 | End | except the general forum I guess, but that's just got random crap in it ;p |
| 15:18.21 | Lopeppeppy | Having worked on the revision of the Addons one, I can say it irritates the crap out of me now, when people ask questions that are in it.... |
| 15:19.53 | End | and people seem to do it pretty commonly too |
| 15:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | But... reading skill FTW. |
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| 15:23.17 | cog|work | were you going to look at UI.xsd too? |
| 15:23.48 | End | not that specifically |
| 15:24.00 | End | although... |
| 15:24.32 | End | well UI.xsd hasn't changed anyways |
| 15:24.48 | End | in 0.2.0 |
| 15:32.16 | mikma | anyone knows coords for the place where you need to make spellcloth? |
| 15:32.31 | TS|Skrom | isn't that "anywhere in netherstorm?" |
| 15:32.41 | mikma | i dunno :O |
| 15:32.55 | Valaron|Work | To make? Or to get the recipe? |
| 15:33.02 | mikma | make |
| 15:33.50 | End | anywhere in netherstorm I think |
| 15:34.00 | End | and then a angered elemental thing tries to gank you |
| 15:34.04 | mikma | ok thanks, let's test and see |
| 15:34.16 | Ky|Work | mikma: get back to work! |
| 15:34.21 | TS|Skrom | I've never actually been in netherstorm ^^ |
| 15:34.29 | mikma | Ky|Work: i just woke up. work what? |
| 15:34.32 | Ky|Work | :P |
| 15:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's a silly place, TS|Skrom. |
| 15:34.43 | End | Lopeppeppy: no, that's Camelot |
| 15:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't even go into the Blade's Edge until after 70, Shadowmoon had much better gear for me from quests. |
| 15:35.09 | TS|Skrom | Skrom is 60, Rho is 62, Treston is 63 ^^ |
| 15:35.18 | End | yeah, Shadowmoon does offer a lot of good gear |
| 15:35.30 | End | particularly the head piece |
| 15:35.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. That's what I wanted for both. |
| 15:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 15:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | The test servers have no queue |
| 15:42.55 | Lopeppeppy | Happens sometimes, especially when they've been up for a few weeks. |
| 15:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | Has the voice stuff come onto them yet? |
| 15:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | No patch for them yet, so no |
| 15:44.08 | End | last nights the ptr had a hellish queue |
| 15:44.23 | End | I was done raiding before I got through the queue |
| 15:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
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| 16:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | This will be a long test realm then, if the voice stuff hasn't made it on yet. |
| 16:06.50 | Xuerian | I think it'll be amusing to see how that turns out on rp realms. |
| 16:07.51 | Xuerian | I'd say it'd get a lot of use in the goldshire area, except it's sortof hard to pretend to be a female night elf when you're really a fat white guy. ¬.¬ |
| 16:08.18 | Xuerian | On voice chat that is XD |
| 16:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | Voice chat is party/raid only, not General, as I understand. |
| 16:08.52 | Xuerian | I meant more the bedrooms of goldshire. |
| 16:09.15 | zenzelezz | would be fun to see Peons4hire group invite and sing you their poems |
| 16:10.10 | Xuerian | hahaha |
| 16:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. This would be why I'm searching for the Disable button first and foremost. |
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| 16:29.45 | End | From what I understood voice chat can apply to chat channels as well, but I'm not sure if it applies to system wide channels like general |
| 16:30.00 | End | (probably not) |
| 16:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | When the PTR went in, we blathered about it extensively. General chat was one of my huge concerns, and someone-who-I-don't-recall assured me like 5 times running that it would only be party/raid for voice, so that you'd have to choose to join people and then choose to join the chat. A bit of control. |
| 16:31.58 | TS|Skrom | Could you imagine the lag in places like ironforge if it was open to general? |
| 16:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | *shudder* Could you imagine a chat-based Trade? Or Guild Recruitment? |
| 16:32.29 | TS|Skrom | "instancing" it out to party/raid is the only thing that makes sense |
| 16:32.37 | mikma | "wann ist invitesto bolton moor" |
| 16:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | 62 pali lfg wtf roxxors boxxors... |
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| 16:39.17 | TS|Skrom | I can't think of any instance of a context menu popping up from a right click in the 3d world |
| 16:39.21 | TS|Skrom | is there such a case? |
| 16:42.59 | pastamancer | I can't think of any, but that has interesting potential |
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| 16:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | I thought the whole point was not being able to interact with the 3D world? |
| 16:43.33 | TS|Skrom | I agree |
| 16:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause the potential is *too* interesting, if you get my drift. |
| 16:44.03 | TS|Skrom | I don't think it's possible because of the movement functions being secured |
| 16:44.19 | TS|Skrom | that'd have to hook into TurnOrSelectStart or whatever it's called |
| 16:44.47 | TS|Skrom | TurnOrActionStart |
| 16:44.57 | pastamancer | hmm? What are you imagining? |
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| 16:49.08 | Kyahx | TS |
| 16:49.11 | Kyahx | bleh |
| 16:49.12 | Kyahx | I can't type |
| 16:49.28 | Kyahx | WorldFrame:SetScript("OnMouseUp", func) |
| 16:49.36 | Kyahx | arg1 is the mouse button, it works |
| 16:50.10 | Kyahx | not sure what you'd need world-frame dropdown menus for thou :P |
| 16:50.49 | TS|Skrom | someone was asking on the forum |
| 16:51.04 | TS|Skrom | dropdown raid target icon'ing |
| 16:52.48 | Kyahx | problem is when you move your mouse onto said menu, you lose the "moueover" unit |
| 16:53.25 | TS|Skrom | so you'd have to target, then right click |
| 16:53.49 | Kyahx | that would work I suppose |
| 16:54.12 | TS|Skrom | the guy should just get bananabar or bind em to keys |
| 16:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. |
| 16:54.21 | TS|Skrom | too much work for too little gain if you ask me |
| 16:55.33 | Kyahx | keybinds to assing target to mouseover, now that would be useful |
| 16:55.47 | Kyahx | assign icon to mouseover unit* |
| 16:56.41 | zenzelezz | write your own, shouldn't be too hard. Can even make it do mouseover if it exists or target otherwise or something |
| 16:58.21 | Kyahx | *shrug* don't care enough, I have other projects to work on :P |
| 16:58.21 | TS|Skrom | can you overwrite things from the default bindings.xml? |
| 16:58.55 | Kyahx | yea, rebind them to something else :P |
| 16:59.03 | TS|Skrom | lol not exactly what I meant. |
| 16:59.31 | TS|Skrom | if you give a <Binding name="NAME"> and it already exists is it overwritted or discarded? |
| 17:00.04 | Kyahx | why would you want to? |
| 17:00.16 | Kyahx | (and no, I don't think you can) |
| 17:00.32 | TS|Skrom | change the original RaidIcons to what that did the Mouseover if it exists and target if it didn't |
| 17:01.19 | TS|Skrom | Would be a really easy addon, just need a toc and a bindings.xml if you could XD |
| 17:01.59 | Thrae | You could just make a macro... |
| 17:02.02 | Kyahx | yea |
| 17:02.27 | TS|Skrom | Yes Thrae obviously you could. The guy could also just target the mob and use the dropdown. |
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| 17:03.12 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: Well, hitting a single key is a hell of a lot less work then navigating a dropdown |
| 17:04.33 | foxlit | ~seen Cide |
| 17:04.37 | purl | cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 17h 20m 10s ago, saying: 'and start off with that'. |
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| 17:28.34 | foxlit | Anyone familiar with the CTRA protocol around? |
| 17:32.30 | foxlit | I know it sends a message when a spell with a cooldown it tracks is cast (CD (id) (minutes)), but is there some way to provoke that message externally? Essentially, I can't figure out if a cooldown-tracked spell is on cooldown until it is cast. |
| 17:35.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | CHOCKLIT REIHN |
| 17:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | zomg wtf? |
| 17:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | some stay dry and uddahs feel da pain |
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| 17:39.35 | zenzelezz | oh so much pain |
| 17:39.41 | zenzelezz | let the feast of souls begin |
| 17:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese? |
| 17:44.51 | zenzelezz | probably with gnomes |
| 17:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | That would be fun too. |
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| 18:12.08 | TS|Skrom | sweet |
| 18:12.14 | Josh_Borke | sour |
| 18:12.21 | TS|Skrom | my copmany flew up some people from our branch offices for a training session |
| 18:12.26 | TS|Skrom | they fed em pizza for lunch |
| 18:12.33 | TS|Skrom | I just got handed a box full of leftovers XD |
| 18:12.50 | TS|Skrom | free food ftw |
| 18:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | Free food doesn't much suck. Pizza is good leftovers. |
| 18:14.24 | Industrial | depends |
| 18:14.32 | Industrial | does it have chunks out of it? |
| 18:14.33 | Valaron|Work | Depends on the kind of pizza. |
| 18:14.35 | TS|Skrom | especially this pizza :-) |
| 18:14.52 | TS|Skrom | it's from "Imo's" (local joint, good thin crust, St. Louis style) |
| 18:22.20 | TS|Skrom | I definately keep more fishing poles in stock then I do trout. |
| 18:22.36 | Lopeppeppy | I definately keep more chocolate in stock than lemons. |
| 18:22.45 | TS|Skrom | how sweet |
| 18:22.49 | TS|Skrom | ZOMG PUN! |
| 18:23.42 | zenzelezz | Nothing ever goes away. |
| 18:24.31 | deltron | TS|Skrom: ever have fortel's pizza? |
| 18:25.08 | TS|Skrom | oh yeah |
| 18:25.32 | TS|Skrom | there's one there on mackenize down on my neck of the woods |
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| 18:35.33 | zenzelezz | the second phase of the scourge just hit |
| 18:35.38 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 18:35.38 | zenzelezz | gold beggars reached Shattrath |
| 18:35.42 | Josh_Borke | oh |
| 18:35.49 | Josh_Borke | i need my epic flying mount! |
| 18:36.56 | jme | Josh_Borke: I NEED MINE TOO |
| 18:37.06 | jme | caps |
| 18:37.15 | mikma | i need caps too |
| 18:37.52 | Josh_Borke | i'm going to do the easy daily quests in skettis while i lvl my undead mage on another server |
| 18:37.59 | jme | hopefully mining will better support my epic flying mount fund |
| 18:38.06 | Josh_Borke | hate @ bombing run in blade's edge |
| 18:38.19 | End | pff, l2p |
| 18:38.19 | jme | i haven't even started the ogri'la stuff yet |
| 18:38.22 | End | just kidding |
| 18:38.29 | jme | lies |
| 18:38.31 | End | although, it's a lot easier with an epic flying mount >:) |
| 18:38.48 | jme | yeah that's what i'm guessing |
| 18:38.57 | zenzelezz | I actually dinged 6k gold today... still don't know what to do with it all. Considering donating a large part to the guy who's pretty much mentored me |
| 18:39.19 | End | I have two chars with epic flying mounts |
| 18:39.22 | Josh_Borke | grats on 6k...greedy bastard |
| 18:39.30 | jme | i know someone on my server that has 26k gold |
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| 18:39.34 | End | and I've spent probably around 9k gold on JC patterns too :O |
| 18:39.40 | zenzelezz | put it this way... I was 60 since last April, but didn't buy an epic riding mount till after BC |
| 18:40.19 | zenzelezz | spent some gold on various resistance gear after hitting 70, but I am a cheap bastard |
| 18:40.36 | Josh_Borke | jme: jeebus, who has 26k gold? |
| 18:40.38 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.49 | Industrial | invest in linen cloth |
| 18:40.56 | End | lol Industrial |
| 18:41.03 | jme | Josh_Borke: he has pretty much dominated the JC market on SR since TBC |
| 18:41.05 | zenzelezz | there was a leatherworker in my old guild that had at least 15k at all times |
| 18:41.09 | Industrial | I once made 50g with that though >_o |
| 18:41.11 | Josh_Borke | that would do it |
| 18:41.16 | Industrial | just linene cloth |
| 18:41.23 | jme | Josh_Borke: literally controlled it |
| 18:41.37 | End | the designs or the cut gems? |
| 18:41.41 | End | or uncut? |
| 18:41.48 | Xuerian | I'd expect, all of it |
| 18:42.18 | Xuerian | Start with enough money, spend enough time, and you've got yourself a market for the picking 0.o |
| 18:42.32 | zenzelezz | there's one guy on my server that everyone turns to if they need rare enchants, always... he must earn a fortune |
| 18:42.38 | End | hrm |
| 18:42.48 | End | controlling uncut would be somewhat difficult |
| 18:42.54 | End | anyone can prospect :P |
| 18:43.07 | Xuerian | Sure. But once it enters the AH... |
| 18:43.13 | jme | i'm pretty sure he controls prices in the AH at least |
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| 18:43.48 | Industrial | Like i said, I once held all horde linen cloth on my server for a weeklol :P |
| 18:43.51 | End | plus, I want to see his bags |
| 18:43.59 | End | actually |
| 18:44.04 | jme | his gf told me he wasn't working IRL right now so he just worked in wow |
| 18:44.05 | zenzelezz | heh, a bit over a year and a half ago a friend of mine ran a monopoly on Free Action Potions every WSG weekend... worked well |
| 18:44.06 | End | he'd probably be destroying talasites :P |
| 18:44.09 | Industrial | I drove the price up to 1g a stack =D |
| 18:44.09 | jme | so i guess he'd have time to do all that |
| 18:44.29 | Xuerian | Industrial: rofl |
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| 18:44.53 | Industrial | people were mad heh |
| 18:44.54 | jme | he probably hit 70 pretty soon after TBC... he would've averaged over 1k gold a week ever since, which is reasonable |
| 18:44.58 | Industrial | "WHOS AHCHAR DAMNIT" |
| 18:44.59 | N00bZXI | Gold isn't hard to make |
| 18:45.11 | N00bZXI | 60 --> 61 - 350g |
| 18:45.29 | N00bZXI | no lucky drops either |
| 18:45.30 | zenzelezz | it slows down when you run out of quests; at least it did before the dailies |
| 18:45.30 | End | anyways, on my realm at least, you'd probably need more than 26k gold to control the market |
| 18:45.54 | Xuerian | Just pick one part of it |
| 18:45.58 | End | yeah |
| 18:46.07 | End | me, I'm satisified to just cut gems noone thinks to cut :P |
| 18:46.11 | Xuerian | lol |
| 18:46.21 | jme | i pretty much failed at making any gold from 60-70 |
| 18:46.24 | End | rigid and great dawnstones are never on the AH unless I put them up |
| 18:46.32 | End | mystic are over populated however |
| 18:46.36 | jme | i didn't get my epic land mount until i was 69, and my flying mount a week after i was 70 |
| 18:46.38 | Josh_Borke | !item rigid dawnstone |
| 18:46.39 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Name: Rigid Dawnstone; Rarity: Blue; Consumable; Get: Created. [[ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24051 ]] |
| 18:46.41 | N00bZXI | Why get any other tradeskills over skinning +herbalism/mining? |
| 18:46.50 | End | Rigid = +hit, Great = +spell hit |
| 18:46.53 | Josh_Borke | why would anyone use that? :-P |
| 18:47.02 | End | rogues |
| 18:47.08 | End | and fury warriors |
| 18:47.11 | End | for +hit |
| 18:47.29 | N00bZXI | isn't it capped at 5%? |
| 18:47.31 | jme | huntards that need to hitcap? |
| 18:47.51 | End | I don't know. |
| 18:47.55 | End | I know rogues get a hit talent |
| 18:47.58 | [dRaCo] | N00bZXI: no. not at all. |
| 18:48.13 | End | but the thing is, it won't take them all the way to +16% for raiding |
| 18:48.17 | [dRaCo] | you need ~24% hit against level 73 to hit with all attacks |
| 18:48.26 | N00bZXI | that's new to me |
| 18:48.27 | zenzelezz | fury warriors also get +3% from talents (if they spec it) |
| 18:48.30 | jme | i believe it's effectiveness capped at 137 for hunters.. could be wrong |
| 18:48.32 | N00bZXI | was 5% at least when I played warriors |
| 18:48.40 | jme | it's = its |
| 18:48.40 | [dRaCo] | yeah, 5% for styles |
| 18:48.53 | [dRaCo] | 24% is for dual wiedling... |
| 18:48.58 | N00bZXI | which is almost a year ago |
| 18:49.22 | End | I think 24% is for the offhand specifically even, doesn't it take a penalty? |
| 18:49.26 | [dRaCo] | some build do lots of white dmg though, and those want more then 5% for styles |
| 18:49.31 | End | and mainhand is just fine? |
| 18:49.33 | [dRaCo] | end: no, 24% for all white dmg |
| 18:49.36 | End | for lal? |
| 18:49.38 | End | blah |
| 18:49.39 | End | for all? |
| 18:49.48 | [dRaCo] | 5% for styles aka yellow damage |
| 18:49.54 | End | weird |
| 18:50.01 | End | it's different for spells... |
| 18:50.04 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 18:50.05 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 18:50.10 | End | I thought it was more similar |
| 18:50.12 | zenzelezz | don't hunters aim for 9% or something? |
| 18:50.20 | End | either way, +hit gems are good sellers :) |
| 18:50.23 | [dRaCo] | offhand penalty is 50% dmg |
| 18:50.31 | [dRaCo] | 137 hit rating, zenzelezz |
| 18:51.13 | End | (I have pretty much every design though) |
| 18:51.22 | zenzelezz | what % does that equal for a 70 against a 70? |
| 18:51.54 | jme | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102739549&sid=1 |
| 18:52.55 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 18:52.57 | jme | if i swap out a couple of beast lord for desolation with the set bonus i'd be hitcapped.. hmm |
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| 19:04.57 | Gnarfoz | <Josh_Borke> why would anyone use that? :-P <-- that would be the perfect answer to why --> <End> rigid and great dawnstones are never on the AH unless I put them up ^^ |
| 19:05.32 | zenzelezz | not really, since he went on to say that they sell just fine when he puts them up |
| 19:05.47 | Legorol | rigid dawnstones sell like hot cakes |
| 19:05.51 | Legorol | so do great ones |
| 19:06.00 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: thanks for making my point ;-o |
| 19:06.02 | Legorol | casters love the spell hit, and noncasters love the +hit |
| 19:06.34 | Gnarfoz | the JCs meddling in the AH affairs on his server don't seem to know how valuable +hit is ;> |
| 19:06.45 | Legorol | zenzelezz: are you on Silvermoon atm by any chance? |
| 19:06.54 | Legorol | it just seems to have DCd me and i can't get back on |
| 19:08.04 | Legorol | hurray, Silvermoon is offline, that's why |
| 19:08.06 | Legorol | how fantastic |
| 19:08.28 | zenzelezz | Legorol: yeah, same here |
| 19:08.36 | Legorol | it's actually offline in realm list now |
| 19:08.43 | Legorol | oh, there we go |
| 19:08.46 | Legorol | i bet i'm dead now |
| 19:08.50 | Legorol | deep down in netherwing mine |
| 19:08.54 | zenzelezz | good ol' Silvermoon |
| 19:09.18 | Legorol | damn Blizzard for making such a cool game |
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| 19:14.04 | Lunessa | Approach Logan 5 and Identify. |
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| 19:29.08 | Thrae | !ar 232 |
| 19:29.08 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena rating from 232 points is, 2v2: 1383, 3v3: 1274, 5v5: 1121 |
| 19:29.20 | Thrae | !ap 1345 |
| 19:29.21 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena points from a rating of 1345 is, 2v2: 221, 3v3: 253, 5v5: 317 |
| 19:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, the PvE test server already has a queue of 800. |
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| 19:37.26 | jme | !ap 1501 |
| 19:37.26 | ThraeBot | jme: Arena points from a rating of 1501 is, 2v2: 264, 3v3: 301, 5v5: 377 |
| 19:37.43 | jme | woot, 5 weeks at this rate :X |
| 19:38.08 | jme | ScytheBlade1: the pvp test server had a queue of 2800 last night |
| 19:38.15 | Thrae | !te us lightninghoof 3 lolcrew |
| 19:38.16 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Armory parse error. Most likely you screwed up the command. |
| 19:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | jme, yeah, I've seen it at 3000.. scary |
| 19:38.36 | jme | ScytheBlade1: :/ |
| 19:38.39 | Thrae | !te us stormreaver 5 lolcrew |
| 19:38.41 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: LOLcrew (5v5); Rampage (Horde); Rank: 56; Rating: 1929; Last Season's Rank: 149; This Season: 115/191 (61%) (Won/Played); This Week: 21/35 (60%); Points: ~931. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/3bmuw4 ]] |
| 19:38.53 | jme | ThraeBot: you're on SR? |
| 19:38.56 | jme | dangit |
| 19:39.05 | jme | Thrae: you're on SR? |
| 19:39.23 | Thrae | jme: No, just demo'ing the command |
| 19:39.27 | jme | ah |
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| 19:39.38 | Thrae | !ap 3000 |
| 19:39.39 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena points from a rating of 3000 is, 2v2: 990, 3v3: 1131, 5v5: 1414 |
| 19:39.40 | jme | Thrae: i am :p |
| 19:40.03 | Thrae | jme: If you have to fight lolcrew, I bet they roll you ;) |
| 19:40.15 | jme | Thrae: i haven't done any 5v5 yet, but i bet they would |
| 19:40.27 | Thrae | Rank 56 is pretty damn good |
| 19:40.51 | Thrae | !help |
| 19:40.51 | ThraeBot | Triggers: !fc; !c; !co; !g; !te; !vs; !ar; !l; !tc; !ap; !api; !tl; !t; !i;. To get more information about a particular command, do !help <command>. Now /msg ThraeBot with your command and stop spamming the damn channel. |
| 19:41.02 | Thrae | Anyway, off to dinner + movie |
| 19:41.03 | jme | Thrae: we had a 2150 rated team, they ended up 3rd one week, i think 5th last week |
| 19:41.09 | jme | on the server |
| 19:41.16 | TS|Skrom | well I just went from over 3k items in my inbox to under 300 |
| 19:41.23 | TS|Skrom | that was cathartic |
| 19:41.52 | jme | Thrae: sorry, 11th |
| 19:42.12 | jme | !te us stormreaver 5 ONE EIGHT VII |
| 19:42.13 | ThraeBot | jme: Name: ONE EIGHT VII (5v5); Rampage (Horde); Rank: 11; Rating: 2167; Last Season's Rank: 0; This Season: 101/129 (79%) (Won/Played); This Week: 9/11 (82%); Points: ~1177. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2my7dp ]] |
| 19:42.46 | jme | ohh, Convicted must've sold the team |
| 19:43.11 | jme | !ap 2167 |
| 19:43.11 | ThraeBot | jme: Arena points from a rating of 2167 is, 2v2: 823, 3v3: 941, 5v5: 1177 |
| 19:50.21 | foxlit | !ap 2090900909090 |
| 19:50.21 | ThraeBot | foxlit: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 19:50.39 | [dRaCo] | you broke it. |
| 19:50.43 | foxlit | a curious concept |
| 19:51.05 | Lunessa | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712441774&sid=1 |
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| 19:52.24 | foxlit | Frankly, US UI forum has too much trolling from addon authors |
| 19:52.52 | foxlit | Whether or not it is justified is a separate issue |
| 19:55.24 | Lunessa | ... trolling? |
| 19:55.48 | Valaron|Work | Trolling? |
| 19:56.02 | [dRaCo] | trolling is bad, mkay? |
| 19:56.28 | deltron | nowai |
| 19:56.37 | Lunessa | Seriously, AddOn authors and IRC regulars are generally not trolling. |
| 19:57.00 | Josh_Borke | but it is happening more often |
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| 19:57.33 | [dRaCo] | generally... there's one person though. |
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| 19:59.59 | TS|Skrom | *duck* |
| 20:01.12 | foxlit | Think I've got another devious plan to get a working decursive implementation |
| 20:01.37 | MoonWolf | stop making them |
| 20:01.42 | MoonWolf | really, stop. |
| 20:01.57 | foxlit | That'd require me to start |
| 20:02.19 | MoonWolf | you already have the plan, so yo already started making the plan, stop making more plans. |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | Meh, planning does not imply making |
| 20:03.03 | MoonWolf | also, how ? |
| 20:03.05 | foxlit | Why the response, though? |
| 20:03.12 | MoonWolf | i was bored. |
| 20:03.37 | MoonWolf | I'm to tired to do anything constructive, so i'm trolling my irc channels. |
| 20:05.37 | foxlit | Involves abusing /click to some degree, it isn't actually pretty |
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| 20:05.52 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 20:06.41 | [dRaCo] | clickcasting pretty much made decursive superfluous |
| 20:07.17 | foxlit | Mostly true. |
| 20:07.35 | foxlit | Encounter design has done the other half of the job |
| 20:08.28 | foxlit | "3) threat meter: You know we all use 1, might as well make 1. " |
| 20:08.45 | krka | hmm... anyone know what would the PSU requirements for amd64 + geforce card + et.c. |
| 20:09.13 | foxlit | 300Wish would be quite comfortable? |
| 20:09.18 | zenzelezz | don't really know, but I'd not aim below 450 at least |
| 20:09.26 | [dRaCo] | 300? too low. |
| 20:09.27 | Valaron|Work | 600W for all the fans you'll need to add to it. |
| 20:09.28 | krka | i have an old 360W over |
| 20:09.38 | krka | i guess ill buy a new one |
| 20:09.57 | Valaron|Work | You can get a nice 450+W for cheap at newegg. |
| 20:09.57 | TS|Skrom | foxlit I wanted to troll that thread so hard |
| 20:10.46 | foxlit | I see very little need for an actual 450W+ PSU, but hey, go for the highest power/lowest noise you can afford |
| 20:12.09 | foxlit | AMD64 CPUs peak usage is ~89W [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64] |
| 20:12.29 | krka | hm, could something break if my psu is too low |
| 20:12.59 | [dRaCo] | nope |
| 20:13.03 | foxlit | The PSU itself, most likely |
| 20:13.35 | krka | really? |
| 20:13.58 | TS|Skrom | Overworking is bad mmkay |
| 20:13.59 | zenzelezz | electronic devices are fragile, but I *think* you'd generally need a power surge, not a lack of power, to hurt them |
| 20:14.23 | foxlit | I'd imagine there'd be a fuse in the PSU |
| 20:14.26 | krka | the system is: Dual-Core 5200+ 2.6GHz, Asus Extreme GeForce 8500GT, one sata drive, one cd drive, one cpu cooler and two case fans |
| 20:14.43 | foxlit | That'd simply cut power if the current is more than it's rated for. |
| 20:14.58 | zenzelezz | most likely |
| 20:15.04 | foxlit | Whether or not that could kill something else... luck |
| 20:15.12 | [dRaCo] | I'd get at least a 450 one for that system, krka |
| 20:15.13 | foxlit | Wonder if HDs are used to losing power |
| 20:15.23 | zenzelezz | I heard a funny story from a friend about top-of-the-case blowholes... do not ever drop Coke into those fans |
| 20:15.27 | TS|Skrom | fuses have been known to fail to rupture, it's not unheard of. Personally I wouldn't risk it. |
| 20:15.35 | zenzelezz | finely spread Coke all over live motherboard = mass fry |
| 20:16.36 | Lunessa | And the STINK! |
| 20:16.40 | foxlit | "us, the maximum power consumption of graphics cards with one additional connector, without counting the AGP slot in, may range from 110.5W to 170W, of graphics cards with two additional connectors – from 221W to 340W. You must agree that this is enough for any modern graphics card as well as for a few generations of them to come." |
| 20:16.57 | foxlit | s/"/"Th/ |
| 20:17.04 | foxlit | [http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powercons.html] |
| 20:17.28 | zenzelezz | try booting a computer with a modern video card without plugging in the extra power cable, you get a nice red text message =D |
| 20:17.33 | foxlit | (although that's AGP rather than PCIe) |
| 20:18.02 | krka | damn... so i have to go shopping for that too |
| 20:18.32 | foxlit | Power cables? |
| 20:18.54 | TS|Skrom | video cards have power cables? |
| 20:19.05 | Lunessa | Some do, yes. |
| 20:19.06 | foxlit | Pretty much standard 12V ones |
| 20:19.12 | zenzelezz | all the cards I've seen just had a molex you plugged straight into one from the PSU |
| 20:19.16 | TS|Skrom | I wonder if mine does |
| 20:19.47 | Thunder_Child | the newst ones require 2, a 6 pin and 8 pin |
| 20:19.50 | zenzelezz | well, ever since my 9800 Pro all cards I saw of equal performance required extra power, at least AGP ones |
| 20:20.00 | foxlit | IdleLoad |
| 20:20.01 | foxlit | 7800 GTX128W244W |
| 20:20.01 | foxlit | 6800 GT O/Ced to 400/1.0130W233W |
| 20:20.17 | foxlit | Hm, that came out uglier than I expected |
| 20:20.38 | TS|Skrom | I've not opened my case to look XD bought my last computer with dell after building all my own the previous few times |
| 20:20.43 | foxlit | (table for http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/11.html) |
| 20:20.57 | TS|Skrom | I'm out of the loop as far as new hardware since I've no need to upgrade at this time XD |
| 20:21.40 | foxlit | Sad, really - my notebook has better hardware than my PC |
| 20:22.07 | zenzelezz | currently my "IRC computer" has a better CPU than my main :-| |
| 20:22.42 | Lunessa | And I'd lay odds that all of your machines are better than mine. :P |
| 20:22.46 | krka | damn, PSU:s are expensive |
| 20:23.00 | foxlit | Mine was cheap(ish) |
| 20:23.08 | zenzelezz | they're worth spending a little on though |
| 20:23.14 | foxlit | Depends on what you're comparing to, of course |
| 20:23.15 | zenzelezz | get a cheap one and it may not perform what it claims |
| 20:23.40 | foxlit | FUD :) |
| 20:24.40 | krka | 400+ is hard to fine |
| 20:24.44 | krka | 400W is easier |
| 20:24.52 | krka | cheaply, that is |
| 20:26.01 | foxlit | Hm, on second thought, it's a bit more costly than I expected |
| 20:26.14 | foxlit | http://www.tagan.com/pages/products/easyconS/tg430_u15.html |
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| 20:26.43 | foxlit | english: http://www.tagan./pages/products/easyconS/e_tg430_u15.html |
| 20:27.17 | foxlit | Mind the ATX revision when choosing a PSU |
| 20:27.21 | krka | sure it wont work with 360W? |
| 20:27.27 | krka | right |
| 20:29.10 | zenzelezz | it might, you just have a bigger potential with a bigger one |
| 20:29.28 | zenzelezz | depends on which other devices you have also |
| 20:29.43 | krka | where do you check ATX revision on a PSU? |
| 20:29.54 | krka | i could google on the model i guess |
| 20:30.02 | krka | chieftec HPC-360-302 DF |
| 20:30.04 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.08 | krka | oops, bad paste |
| 20:30.37 | jme | gg |
| 20:32.13 | krka | zenzelezz: one hd, one cd drive, geforce 8500, keyboard, mouse, 2 case fans, 1 cpu fan, soundcard output. i think that's it |
| 20:32.23 | foxlit | krka: 2.0, as far as I can tell |
| 20:32.31 | krka | not sure how much memory sticks chug power |
| 20:32.36 | krka | or mainboard in genera |
| 20:32.53 | zenzelezz | mostly stuff like HDDs and CD/DVDs that take extra power I think |
| 20:33.25 | sysrage | i just started paying attention but did you just say you have a geforce 8500 with a 360W PS? |
| 20:33.44 | krka | i dont have the system yet |
| 20:33.59 | krka | still pondering if i can use a spare PSU |
| 20:34.02 | sysrage | dude, you definately want more than 360 |
| 20:34.05 | sysrage | get 500 |
| 20:34.07 | sysrage | or more |
| 20:34.18 | foxlit | sysrage: why? |
| 20:34.25 | krka | hmm.. what if i swap in a geforce 7600? :) |
| 20:34.39 | sysrage | even my old 6800 took a ton of power |
| 20:34.50 | foxlit | Define "a ton of power" |
| 20:35.24 | foxlit | Run a 7600GT/AGP on a 430W PSU at the moment |
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| 20:35.35 | foxlit | Prescott CPU, too, so no saving the rainforests there |
| 20:35.41 | sysrage | i don't know numbers off the top of my head but i know a game box even with only 1 HDD should have more than 360. i had a 400 not long ago and it wasn't enough |
| 20:36.14 | foxlit | I ran a game box with two optical drives and two HDDs off a 300, wasn't a problem. |
| 20:36.20 | sysrage | AGP is a lil different.. the PCI-E ones (which i hope he's getting if he's building a new box) have external power |
| 20:36.38 | foxlit | Elaborate :) |
| 20:36.57 | Lunessa | PCI-E should have plenty of power. :D It's in the spec for PCI-E. |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | Do you just mean the molex connector into the card itself? |
| 20:37.13 | foxlit | Differences in the amount of power leached from PCIe/AGP busses? |
| 20:37.34 | sysrage | i mean you have to run a cable from PS to the card, just the PCI-E connector on the mobo isn't enough |
| 20:37.43 | foxlit | Yeah. |
| 20:37.48 | foxlit | Same story with AGP. |
| 20:37.54 | foxlit | You still run a cable from the PSU to the card. |
| 20:38.06 | sysrage | oh ok. my last AGP didn't require that.. |
| 20:38.15 | foxlit | Depends on the card, mostly. |
| 20:38.19 | zenzelezz | started around the 9700 era |
| 20:38.32 | zenzelezz | before that the AGP connector used to be enough |
| 20:38.33 | sysrage | either way. power supplies are cheap as hell. why wouldn't you just get a 500? then when you add a HDD later it's not gonna hose your box |
| 20:38.43 | krka | yeah, i am getting pci-e |
| 20:38.55 | foxlit | If anything, 7600 AGP probably eats more than 7600 PCIe, since the native interface shifted to PCIe sometime in the GeForce7 series. |
| 20:39.21 | krka | dont think i have a power connector on my current card |
| 20:39.24 | krka | (7600 gs) |
| 20:39.37 | krka | or maybe i just didnt look hard enough |
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| 20:39.46 | foxlit | Can get some GeForce7-class cards with passive cooling. |
| 20:40.02 | krka | power supplies cheap? |
| 20:40.16 | foxlit | Around ~100$? |
| 20:40.17 | sysrage | very. i got a 550 for like 70 bucks |
| 20:40.24 | krka | around 60 euro+ for 400+ psu |
| 20:40.28 | foxlit | + our prohibitive 25% VAT |
| 20:40.39 | foxlit | I wonder about their performance sometimes, but there's something attractive in having no fans |
| 20:41.23 | sysrage | it's quieter.. that's for sure.. if it gets to hot it's gonna just die, not slow down so it's not really a performance hit unless it completely zaps :) |
| 20:41.45 | foxlit | You may want to rephrase that slightly :) |
| 20:42.05 | sysrage | completely fries? |
| 20:42.09 | sysrage | mmm fries |
| 20:42.14 | foxlit | Nah, it's where "not" is |
| 20:42.29 | foxlit | "it's gonna just die, not slow down" versus "it's not gonna die, just slow down" |
| 20:42.34 | Lunessa | I'll take an order of chili-cheese fries and a coke, please. |
| 20:42.56 | sysrage | no, mine was correct. it will keep running full speed until it overheats and dies completely |
| 20:43.28 | foxlit | Stone-age GPUs? |
| 20:43.43 | foxlit | Everything modern throttles at GPU level, so it doesn't actually matter if you kill the fan entirely |
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| 20:44.28 | sysrage | okay |
| 20:47.01 | zenzelezz | overheating video cards generally give you warnings in the form of graphical corruption or system hangs |
| 20:47.40 | krka | how about Xilence 480W 12cm Fan REDWING ATX12V V2.0 -- around 40 euro |
| 20:47.45 | krka | maybe it's a crappy brand |
| 20:52.18 | krka | any recommendations on brands? |
| 20:55.48 | Saint-N | get a zalman water cooler |
| 20:56.01 | Saint-N | with a 60l/h pump replacement |
| 20:56.02 | Josh_Borke | 42 |
| 20:56.13 | Saint-N | i love my zalman |
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| 20:56.37 | Saint-N | keeps my cpu around 38 under full load and my around 40 |
| 20:56.42 | Saint-N | maybe less |
| 20:56.55 | Saint-N | and its soooo quiet |
| 21:03.27 | krka | hm... the 5600+ amd 64 x2 seems to only use 89W |
| 21:03.35 | krka | geforce 8500 at around 100W |
| 21:04.00 | krka | that leaves me around 180W for the rest... disk and mainboard stuff |
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| 21:11.39 | JoshBorke | wb kael |
| 21:21.02 | krka | anyone know if this seems good? http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=68573 |
| 21:21.24 | deltron | never seen that brand before |
| 21:22.54 | krka | me neither |
| 21:22.58 | krka | might be a bad thing :) |
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| 21:58.01 | Guillotine | is there any lua function to merge tables? E.g. if I have tables a and b, all entries in table b that are not in table a are put there, while it does not overrite the entries already in table a |
| 21:59.09 | cog|work | that's trivial to do in a for loop |
| 21:59.21 | Shirik | mhm |
| 21:59.39 | cog|work | for k, v in pairs(source) do if not dest[k] then dest[k] = v end end |
| 21:59.54 | Guillotine | cog|work: would have to make it a recursive loop though |
| 21:59.57 | Guillotine | table has multiple levels |
| 22:00.03 | Guillotine | but yes, its trivial |
| 22:00.15 | Guillotine | but if theres already a function to do it, no reason to make another |
| 22:00.23 | Guillotine | just seemed like something that *might* already be there |
| 22:00.43 | Shirik | there might be some really hackish stuff you could do with table.concat |
| 22:00.57 | Shirik | but it totally wouldn't be worth it |
| 22:03.04 | Guillotine | eww, this is going to be ugly |
| 22:03.16 | Guillotine | is there any way to get the full var path? |
| 22:03.23 | Guillotine | or do I have to just pass it each time and add to it? |
| 22:07.14 | Shirik | full var path? |
| 22:07.50 | Guillotine | right |
| 22:07.55 | Guillotine | as in... |
| 22:08.00 | Guillotine | hold on, let me make an exampel quickly |
| 22:08.25 | Shirik | btw Guillotine |
| 22:08.41 | Shirik | a long time ago I made a very quick way to copy a table |
| 22:08.49 | Shirik | it's almost instantaneous |
| 22:08.54 | Guillotine | copy a table? |
| 22:08.56 | Shirik | But it has one limitation: It doesn't populate the data immediately |
| 22:09.13 | buu | Hrm. Trash mob respawns drop items, right? |
| 22:09.19 | Guillotine | yes |
| 22:09.23 | buu | Cool. |
| 22:09.26 | Shirik | aye, and taking this implementation one step further would provide merged tables |
| 22:09.51 | Guillotine | Shirik: its an idea. you still have the code? can at least look at it |
| 22:10.14 | End | Shirik: is that with a metatable or something? |
| 22:10.24 | Shirik | The problem is that instead of populating immediately, it populates it as needed, which implies that if the source table(s) change before the data is copied, the copy is incorrect for any keys not yet copied |
| 22:10.32 | Shirik | mhm |
| 22:10.49 | End | That sounds pretty easy to write |
| 22:11.00 | Shirik | it is decently easy |
| 22:12.14 | Shirik | trying to find it |
| 22:12.52 | Shirik | maybe you can use a slight extension along with OnUpdate to incrementally copy |
| 22:13.06 | Shirik | that way you don't lock up the UI for huge tables |
| 22:13.42 | Guillotine | it isn't a huge table |
| 22:13.44 | Guillotine | its just deep |
| 22:13.47 | End | hmm, a thought occurs :P |
| 22:13.58 | End | I don't think pairs() would do what you want |
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| 22:17.37 | Shirik | and that would explain why that was taking forever |
| 22:17.55 | End | ? |
| 22:18.31 | Guillotine | hows this: http://guillotine.pastey.net/71664 |
| 22:18.44 | Guillotine | wrote it up REAL quickly as it came to me, so it might do something completely different :P |
| 22:18.56 | Shirik | trying to find my forum post without an internet connection definitely isolates why the forum was taking forever to load |
| 22:19.13 | Guillotine | whoops, a typo |
| 22:19.34 | cog|work | Shouldn't you be checking for an existing index outside of checking if it's a table? |
| 22:20.30 | Guillotine | why would I need to be checking if its an existing index? it has to be if its showing up in a for pairs loop |
| 22:20.32 | cog|work | (also, might make it a tad clearer if you use source and dest or similarly semantic names ;) ) |
| 22:20.34 | Guillotine | http://guillotine.pastey.net/71665 is the fixed one |
| 22:20.49 | cog|work | Guillotine: on the destination table... |
| 22:21.01 | cog|work | if not tablea[a] |
| 22:21.03 | Guillotine | ah, good point |
| 22:21.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: The Rat Kill Counter thing? |
| 22:21.35 | End | you could definitely give it bad input |
| 22:21.44 | Shirik | is there a way to switch to the light version of the site without loading the entire page first? |
| 22:21.47 | Guillotine | though then its going to go recursively deep when it doesn't need to since it copied the whole thing over |
| 22:21.50 | Guillotine | oh, I got it |
| 22:21.53 | Shirik | (@wowi) |
| 22:22.00 | End | since it doesn't check to see if tablea[a] is a table or not |
| 22:22.18 | Shirik | boom |
| 22:22.24 | End | (of course, there's nested tables and all that junk) |
| 22:22.29 | Lunessa | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112405766&sid=1 |
| 22:22.47 | Shirik | not going there |
| 22:23.03 | Shirik | trying to find something I posted on wowi |
| 22:23.06 | cog|work | Guillotine: there's no reason to use tableb[a] in line 7 of the more recent pastey |
| 22:23.09 | Lunessa | Oh. NM |
| 22:23.12 | Shirik | which Guillotine wishes to see |
| 22:23.16 | cog|work | that's the same as simply b |
| 22:23.22 | Shirik | Guillotine: You need to recursively set the metatable |
| 22:23.28 | Shirik | at least I did |
| 22:23.37 | Guillotine | why? its not a metatable |
| 22:23.45 | cog|work | Guillotine: but it could have one |
| 22:23.47 | End | if he's doing a lazy copy |
| 22:23.50 | Guillotine | it won't |
| 22:24.00 | Shirik | I haven't seen your code |
| 22:24.00 | cog|work | then don't worry about it :) |
| 22:24.12 | End | if it's not a big table, a lazy copy won't help here :P |
| 22:24.25 | End | (er, lazy merge, whatever) |
| 22:24.30 | Guillotine | its relatively big, but not huge |
| 22:24.44 | End | well, if it slows you down, then we'll worry about doing it lazily ;P |
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| 22:25.38 | Guillotine | if it slows me down I'll just turn it into a coroutine and do one loop every tick |
| 22:26.59 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:27.01 | Shirik | here it is |
| 22:27.12 | Guillotine | alright, hows this? http://guillotine.pastey.net/71668 |
| 22:27.55 | End | how consistant is your structure? |
| 22:28.12 | End | you probably want to check to make sure dest[varname] is a table too, when recursively merging |
| 22:28.34 | Guillotine | it'll be consistent |
| 22:28.58 | Guillotine | this is basically for the Hive-Mind distribution we talked about a while ago |
| 22:29.14 | Shirik | Guillotine: This is what I was talking about earlier, if you're still curious http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=53187#post53187 |
| 22:29.21 | Shirik | very simple but gets the job done in some cases |
| 22:29.27 | End | I was probably *gasp* working ;) |
| 22:31.15 | End | Shirik: that if not rawget(t, k) doesn't seem useful to me |
| 22:31.18 | Lunessa | OMG - Tekkub's icon on that thread is the shizzle. |
| 22:31.22 | Shirik | it's not |
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| 22:32.02 | End | (it'll trigger on false) |
| 22:32.06 | End | (and that's it) |
| 22:32.25 | End | (or not trigger depending on how you look at it) |
| 22:32.51 | Shirik | it's impossible for rawget(t,k) to return true |
| 22:32.53 | Shirik | well |
| 22:32.56 | Shirik | non-nil |
| 22:33.10 | Shirik | so that test should just be removed |
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| 22:34.46 | End | anyways, what I came up without testing while you were searching for yours was: http://pastey.net/71671 |
| 22:35.06 | End | (in fact, pastey found a syntax error, which shows how serious I am about not testing these sorts of things) |
| 22:36.14 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | but, both of ours have one more flaw |
| 22:37.02 | Shirik | Try it on this table: foo = {}; foo.bar = foo; |
| 22:37.08 | End | yeah |
| 22:38.33 | pastamancer | you need to keep a trail, pass it as the third argument to your merge function |
| 22:38.52 | Shirik | yup |
| 22:39.02 | Shirik | same way I dealt with the issue in other places |
| 22:39.13 | Shirik | it's fairly simple |
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| 22:46.23 | Shirik | Lunessa: ping |
| 22:46.32 | Lunessa | Shirik: pong |
| 22:46.36 | Shirik | What's become of that thread anyway? |
| 22:46.51 | Shirik | More people yelling "wtf I hate you" etc? |
| 22:47.18 | Lunessa | No, someone else decided to write one too. |
| 22:47.33 | Shirik | ah good |
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| 22:56.23 | Shirik | night |
| 22:58.06 | Guillotine | how would you format a number into a string to always have 2 digits? (e.g. turn 7 into 07 |
| 22:58.45 | Gnarfoz | %2d or something |
| 22:59.22 | Shirik | %02d |
| 22:59.36 | Shirik | if you want it to have 0s at the start |
| 22:59.46 | Shirik | it's technically %2d, but that just appends spaces |
| 22:59.48 | Guillotine | that works :) ty Shirik |
| 23:00.19 | Gnarfoz | yay, almost got that right ^^ |
| 23:01.03 | Gnarfoz | remembered once editing some buff mod that didn't have 0's for that |
| 23:01.34 | Gnarfoz | wanted to check after saying it just now, open up Buffalo - it uses a damn library for it >_< |
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| 23:04.22 | Shirik | I couldn't use this email if I tried... |
| 23:04.36 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 23:05.06 | Gnarfoz | I was on vacation to Scotland for 2 weeks, one account had about 400~ spam mails when I returned - nothing out of the ordinary |
| 23:05.20 | Gnarfoz | the day after, I got about 2000 o_O felt as if *THEY* knew I was back |
| 23:06.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AirmanBank (i=AirmanBa@164-188-26-72-wf.pgrb.com) |
| 23:06.47 | Lunessa | I used to work for a large ISP, and had a vanity e-mail of my first name. I gave up using it because I got upwards of 2000 emails daily... none of which were meant for me, and even before the rise of spam as advertising. |
| 23:06.59 | Shirik | yeah it's not even spam |
| 23:07.11 | Shirik | it's just cron reports... we just run too many for my mail to be readable |
| 23:07.23 | AirmanBank | 04just out of curiosity, those who are good with macro scripting and stuff, would someone be able to help me set up a macro that I cant seem to find any resource on anywhere? |
| 23:07.37 | Gnarfoz | Aaaack my eyes :< |
| 23:07.42 | Valaron|Work | Just ask the question. |
| 23:07.53 | [dRaCo] | and dont write in red. |
| 23:08.08 | Shirik | ow |
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| 23:08.25 | AirmanBank | (sorry, invision settings - hope that fixed it) |
| 23:08.31 | Shirik | I have a black background.. |
| 23:08.33 | Shirik | that was painful |
| 23:08.39 | [dRaCo] | yeah, better now. |
| 23:08.43 | AirmanBank | I said sorry :P |
| 23:08.48 | [dRaCo] | you may ask your question now. ;) |
| 23:08.48 | AirmanBank | Okay - this is what Im trying to do |
| 23:09.15 | Shirik | invision? |
| 23:09.18 | Shirik | as in IPS? |
| 23:09.41 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:09.41 | Shirik | oh, nm |
| 23:09.42 | AirmanBank | Im trying to set up a sap countdown timer, basically something to work on a timer that alerts /p on sap breaking etc. In other words, every 15 seconds my party will see "sap is breaking in X seconds" |
| 23:09.45 | Gnarfoz | invision the mIRC script |
| 23:09.49 | Shirik | yeah I figured it out after a ctcp/version |
| 23:09.55 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 23:10.19 | AirmanBank | NECB has a nice little bar that I can make with a /necb command, but I STILL have to left click it when /p is open to send it to them |
| 23:10.23 | Gnarfoz | macros can't do timed stuff by themselves |
| 23:10.26 | Shirik | I would kill whomever in my party does that, but |
| 23:10.29 | Shirik | to answer your question |
| 23:10.32 | Shirik | bleh, Gnarfoz beat me |
| 23:10.36 | AirmanBank | >_< |
| 23:10.45 | Shirik | addons can, and CCWatch specifically I know supports that |
| 23:10.49 | Shirik | though I don't like it |
| 23:10.50 | AirmanBank | it seems like it would be EASY to do and set up... |
| 23:10.59 | AirmanBank | CCwatch? Ill check it out |
| 23:11.00 | Thunder_Child | "StarCraft II Open Gaming 9am - 10pm" that is going to be so mobed |
| 23:11.00 | Gnarfoz | needs an addon (would probably be possible with a really small one, too, just a dozen lines maybe) |
| 23:11.04 | Shirik | well, maybe you can do a really really basic macro |
| 23:11.50 | AirmanBank | I mean, I had 3 different macros for 75% 50% and 25% respectively, but that was a quick fix and frankly, I want something to monitor it and report it automatically |
| 23:13.27 | AirmanBank | CCwatch has a /warn feature, but I want something a BIT more advanced than that... |
| 23:14.04 | AirmanBank | so a macro wouldnt be able to do something like that? Id have to learn and then program an addon to do something like that? |
| 23:14.07 | Shirik | maybe /script mtf=mtf or CreateFrame"FRAME" mtf_t=0 mtf_n=0 mtf:SetScript("OnUpdate",function(t) mtf_t = mtf_t+t; local t; if mtf_t>30 and mtf_n<2 then t=30; mtf_n=2; elseif mtf_t>15 and mtf_n<1 then t=15; mtf_t=1; end if t then SendChatMessage(45-t.." seconds left on sap!", "PARTY") end) |
| 23:14.08 | Shirik | that might be way too long |
| 23:14.16 | Shirik | also untested |
| 23:14.28 | AirmanBank | I can test it right now |
| 23:14.30 | Shirik | but that's incredibly simple |
| 23:14.37 | Shirik | for example, if it breaks early, you still get the warnings |
| 23:14.45 | Shirik | as if it never broke |
| 23:15.12 | Shirik | wait |
| 23:15.18 | Shirik | add an "end" right before the ) |
| 23:15.19 | Shirik | (another) |
| 23:16.16 | AirmanBank | so where would it start? |
| 23:16.25 | Shirik | hm? |
| 23:16.30 | Shirik | the macro? at the /script |
| 23:16.41 | Shirik | that whole thing (minus "maybe") is the macro |
| 23:16.48 | Shirik | oh you also need /cast Sap |
| 23:16.54 | AirmanBank | XD really? |
| 23:16.59 | AirmanBank | I would never think to add that :P |
| 23:17.12 | Shirik | you'd be suprised how stupid some peopel can be :P |
| 23:17.23 | AirmanBank | No I wouldnt, Im in the USAF *laughs* |
| 23:17.34 | Shirik | pilot? |
| 23:17.42 | AirmanBank | nooooo - radar maint |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | good |
| 23:17.48 | Shirik | I hate pilots |
| 23:17.52 | AirmanBank | XD |
| 23:17.58 | Lunessa | ... |
| 23:18.08 | Shirik | On another random note I'm studying computer engineering with stress in avionics :) |
| 23:18.33 | AirmanBank | very cool, good luck with that. Avionics systems arent really that difficult, though radar systems are a freakin mindbust.... |
| 23:18.38 | Shirik | Lunessa: You're a pilot? |
| 23:18.43 | Shirik | hehe |
| 23:19.14 | Lunessa | No, they wouldn't take me for two reasons - vision, and I was not the right height. |
| 23:19.48 | Lunessa | I wanted to fly planes though. |
| 23:19.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 23:19.54 | Shirik | no you didn't |
| 23:19.56 | AirmanBank | I have horrible vision too, I got in :P as for the height thing, thats weird because I dated a girl here that was 5' (not saying your a girl, but there are guys here that are around that) |
| 23:19.57 | Shirik | pilots are stupid |
| 23:20.04 | Shirik | The stuff I've heard over the radio.... |
| 23:20.18 | Shirik | air force pilots are the worst, too |
| 23:20.25 | Shirik | they all think they're better than everyone |
| 23:20.27 | Lunessa | I came into my height late in life. |
| 23:20.42 | Shirik | (I don't understand the military, but I think actually all airforce pilots are officers? Maybe that's why) |
| 23:20.47 | AirmanBank | correct |
| 23:20.52 | Lunessa | All pilots are officers. |
| 23:20.52 | AirmanBank | all pilots are officers |
| 23:21.05 | Kirkburn | Lunessa, they added bionic stilts? |
| 23:21.16 | Shirik | well in any case airforce pilots don't know how to take instructions. One of my best friends is ATC, and he has some |
| 23:21.19 | Shirik | ... interesting stories |
| 23:21.21 | Lunessa | Each air craft is a ship, and you need rank to command. :P |
| 23:21.29 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 23:21.37 | Shirik | I commanded my paddle boat long time ago |
| 23:21.43 | Shirik | Nobody called me "sir" |
| 23:21.48 | Lunessa | Kirkburn: :insert 6 Million Dollar Man noise here: |
| 23:21.59 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:22.23 | art3mis | juney: you sure it wasnt because of your tourettes and narcolepsy? |
| 23:22.28 | art3mis | err luney |
| 23:22.44 | Shirik | too bad Lunessa though, seriously |
| 23:22.53 | Shirik | What did you end up doing? |
| 23:23.28 | Lunessa | Well, the nympholepsy might have been an issue. And my sexual deviancy. Oh, and the the saying "pew pew for great justice!" in my interview. |
| 23:23.35 | AirmanBank | damnit! just too long |
| 23:23.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:23.43 | Shirik | how too long? |
| 23:23.47 | AirmanBank | seconds left on sap!", "PARTY") end) |
| 23:23.48 | Shirik | I see some ways to shorten it |
| 23:23.58 | Kirkburn | Nympholepsy? You fall asleep during rampant sex? |
| 23:23.59 | Lunessa | Shirik: I went to sea, as a civilian. |
| 23:24.06 | art3mis | RELEASE ALL ZIG! |
| 23:24.14 | Lunessa | No, I fall into rampant sex. |
| 23:24.19 | Kirkburn | Aha |
| 23:24.25 | AirmanBank | Lunessa are you female? (sorry to ask - its the name) |
| 23:24.26 | pastamancer | sounds comfy |
| 23:24.27 | Kirkburn | Well, I can see why they now |
| 23:24.46 | Kirkburn | Missing word syndrome >< |
| 23:24.47 | Lunessa | No, AirmanBank - I'm as male as they get. My nick is based on my WoW toon. |
| 23:24.51 | pastamancer | beats falling into a pile of badgers |
| 23:24.52 | AirmanBank | ahh |
| 23:25.07 | Kirkburn | A huge butch tauren, with massive weapons? |
| 23:25.24 | AirmanBank | sexual deviancy might be tolerated from females, but definately not with males...too many SARC calls (sexual assault response cordinator) |
| 23:25.25 | Lunessa | [Dual Plasma Cannons] |
| 23:25.32 | Kirkburn | I see |
| 23:25.47 | Kirkburn | Phwoar |
| 23:26.05 | Lunessa | AirmanBank: It's all a joke. I couldn't pass the physical requirements of height and vision for being a pilot, so I didn't go. |
| 23:26.22 | art3mis | i couldnt pass the inner ear test |
| 23:26.27 | AirmanBank | hehehe :P pilot stuff is hard to get into...why didnt you just enlist as an officer for something else? |
| 23:26.35 | AirmanBank | plus, being a pilot is hard shit |
| 23:26.39 | Shirik | how about /script mtf=mtf or CreateFrame"FRAME"mtt=0 mtn=0 mtf:SetScript("OnUpdate",function(t)mtt=mtt+t local t if mtt>30 and mtn<2 then t=30 mtn=2 elseif mtt>15 and mtn<1 then t=15 mtt=1 end if t then SendChatMessage(45-t.." sec left on sap!","PARTY")end end) |
| 23:26.39 | art3mis | being spun on merry go rounds makes me vomit, but doesnt make me dizzy |
| 23:26.52 | Shirik | curse my habitual semicolon use |
| 23:27.03 | art3mis | better than over using your colon |
| 23:27.08 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:27.14 | art3mis | what? |
| 23:27.16 | art3mis | it is |
| 23:27.30 | Lunessa | Because I didn't look at serving until well after leaving the seminary, and I was already getting long-in-the-tooth for enlisting. |
| 23:27.38 | AirmanBank | XD so, bad code or not? Im gonna start typing it in if its okay XD |
| 23:27.38 | Kirkburn | Careful, you'll get people disagreeing with you art3mis |
| 23:28.08 | Shirik | 27 colons |
| 23:28.22 | Shirik | AirmanBank: Again, untested, but it should work |
| 23:28.34 | Shirik | semicolons mean almost nothing in Lua. I was just commenting that it became unnecessarily long |
| 23:28.38 | AirmanBank | gonna start typing it in in one sec... |
| 23:28.51 | Kirkburn | Lunessa, ah yes, the "sabre-tooth" clause |
| 23:29.08 | Kirkburn | Probably gets in the way of the helmets, I guess |
| 23:29.17 | Lunessa | Just remember, if you can hear the sabertooth, it's already too late. |
| 23:29.24 | Thunder_Child | lol Kirkburn |
| 23:31.25 | art3mis | quick shirik mve away while he's distracted! |
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| 23:33.01 | Lunessa | But my time at sea pretty much cured me of any desire to serve in the military in non-war-time. So, I'll do what I do now, which is support the armed services, play video games, and write bad computer code. |
| 23:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Quick question.. |
| 23:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | local _, _, spell = string.find(arg1, "You gain (%S+)."); |
| 23:33.12 | art3mis | asdf |
| 23:33.13 | Kirkburn | I'm off now, possibly see ya'll 2moro |
| 23:33.19 | art3mis | bi bi kirky |
| 23:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | arg1 = "You gain Ice Armor"; |
| 23:33.33 | NotShirik | ScytheBlade1: That's very wrong |
| 23:33.35 | Kirkburn | bi bi art3mis |
| 23:33.36 | NotShirik | well, not very |
| 23:33.39 | AirmanBank | didnt work |
| 23:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | NotShirik, perfect. What's broken? |
| 23:33.41 | NotShirik | oh wait, never mind I'm stupid |
| 23:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh |
| 23:33.46 | AirmanBank | trying to get the error code |
| 23:33.53 | NotShirik | Bu.... Ice Armor has a space in it |
| 23:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | spell is only returning "Ice" out of "Ice Armor" |
| 23:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 23:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm not used to lua "regex" |
| 23:34.02 | NotShirik | and %S says "anything that is not a space" |
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| 23:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | .. lol |
| 23:34.08 | [dRaCo] | w+ |
| 23:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought it meant string. |
| 23:34.16 | NotShirik | change it to "You gain .+\." |
| 23:34.22 | NotShirik | er, I meant %. not \. |
| 23:34.35 | NotShirik | [dRaCo]: A space is not a word character |
| 23:35.07 | [dRaCo] | s/w+// |
| 23:35.10 | [dRaCo] | . |
| 23:35.13 | NotShirik | hehe |
| 23:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:35.55 | Shirik | I mean, there's other patterns that are more "accurate" but we know that'll work just as well |
| 23:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 23:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So what exactly should it be? |
| 23:37.16 | [dRaCo] | .+ means any combination of chars, if you wonder. |
| 23:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 23:37.39 | Shirik | Well, I think more accurate is something like |
| 23:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 23:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | For the curious, I'm writing "GnomeWatcher" |
| 23:38.27 | Legorol | "You gain (.*).$" |
| 23:38.28 | Shirik | "You gain [A-Za-z0-9%-'%(%) ]+%." |
| 23:38.30 | Legorol | that'll do it |
| 23:38.35 | Shirik | But that's stupid |
| 23:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | As the hunters in my guild are threatening to misdirect me in raids.. |
| 23:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm fixing that :) |
| 23:38.42 | Bejitt- | spell is only returning "Ice" out of "Ice Armor" <--- '.' doesnt catch whitespace |
| 23:38.49 | Shirik | Yeah Legorol that's essentially what I recommended, though I left off the $ |
| 23:38.53 | [dRaCo] | Legorol: nope, you have to escape the . |
| 23:38.57 | Legorol | "." does catch whitespace |
| 23:39.02 | Legorol | and no, you don't have to escape it |
| 23:39.05 | Legorol | . will catch . |
| 23:39.07 | Legorol | i put a $ in |
| 23:39.19 | Legorol | so it forces the last . to catch the last character in the line, which is an actual . |
| 23:39.48 | Shirik | Why not "You gain .+%." |
| 23:40.03 | Shirik | or even "You gain .+." should theoretically work |
| 23:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "You gain (.+)." <-- works |
| 23:40.36 | Legorol | Shirik, your solution is the same as mine in essence |
| 23:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried .+%. |
| 23:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That did not work |
| 23:40.52 | Shirik | yeah, just the fact that you posted it after I said that implied that there was something wrong with it |
| 23:40.56 | Legorol | whether you force the last . to match the actual . by escaping or by putting a $ doesn't matter |
| 23:41.11 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: "You gain (.+)." only works because you happen to be lucky |
| 23:41.16 | Legorol | but it's the wrong regex to use |
| 23:41.16 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Sorry, stupid mistake |
| 23:41.28 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: wouldn't one have the . in the capture and the other not? |
| 23:41.38 | [dRaCo] | is % the escape char for lua patterns? |
| 23:41.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:41.44 | Legorol | [dRaCo]: yes |
| 23:41.49 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: sorry don't get you |
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| 23:42.30 | Legorol | "You gain (.+)." works because the + is greedy |
| 23:42.34 | Shirik | right |
| 23:42.44 | Legorol | it's bad idea however to rely on the greediness of * and + in general |
| 23:42.51 | Legorol | so i don't recommend it as best practice |
| 23:42.54 | Shirik | uh... I see no reason to say that |
| 23:42.59 | Shirik | That's the whole POINT of greediness |
| 23:43.05 | Shirik | and why laziness exists in contrast |
| 23:43.10 | Legorol | i prefer precise regex that matches the expression precisely |
| 23:43.18 | Shirik | That does match it precisely |
| 23:43.21 | Legorol | Shirik: the problem is this |
| 23:43.30 | Legorol | let's say someone then goes and copy/pastes it |
| 23:43.38 | Legorol | things can go terribly wrong |
| 23:43.42 | Kyahx | apparently, a 67 hunter, 66 druid, and 66 shaman are no match for a 66 priest |
| 23:43.43 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: maybe I'm thinking of some other language's regex patterns again, but if you used "you gain (.*)$" vs. "you gain (.*).$", wouldn't the first one also capture the actual line-end dot, while the latter would not? (maybe I'm just too tired, too, who knows ;D) |
| 23:43.44 | Legorol | if you change some of the conditions |
| 23:43.45 | Shirik | copy/pastes what? |
| 23:44.01 | Shirik | Because, btw, you are going to have the same problems with yours if you don't escape the . |
| 23:44.03 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that is completely correct |
| 23:44.06 | Legorol | that's what i said too |
| 23:44.12 | [dRaCo] | according to pil . is all characters. including space |
| 23:44.21 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:44.24 | foxlit | but not always including newline |
| 23:44.30 | foxlit | bah |
| 23:45.00 | foxlit | Thwarted by the context yet again |
| 23:45.06 | Legorol | Shirik: my solution is a bit different, it doesn't rely on greediness |
| 23:45.11 | Legorol | since I have a $ in it |
| 23:45.31 | Shirik | True, but you gain nothing and end up performing worse. It still uses a greedy pattern |
| 23:45.44 | Shirik | But add in the check at the end |
| 23:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Blah.. what is the event that fires on every frame drawn? It seems that if I cancel a buff the instant I get it, I'm actually canceling it too quickly, and likewise canceling a non-existant buff :/ |
| 23:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So I need to add a slight delay :/ |
| 23:45.52 | Legorol | consider "You gain (.*).$" vs "You gain (.-).$" |
| 23:46.08 | Legorol | they both work exactly the same |
| 23:46.15 | Legorol | so it's not reliant on greediness/non-greediness |
| 23:46.27 | Legorol | i avoid regexps that rely on greedi/non-greedy as much as i can |
| 23:46.28 | Shirik | It doesn't /rely/ on it, but it still has a greedy operation |
| 23:46.51 | Legorol | no, it has a repetition |
| 23:46.52 | [dRaCo] | "^You gain (.+)%.$" would be my weapon of choice. |
| 23:47.02 | Legorol | it's irrelevant whether it's greedy or non-greedy, that's the point |
| 23:47.03 | Shirik | And the fact of the matter is, the code doesn't try to predict whether or not it will rely upon it, and greedy operations are slower than their non-greedy counterparts in most cases |
| 23:47.13 | Shirik | It's not irrelevant because there's a performance difference |
| 23:47.32 | foxlit | if str:sub(1, 7) == "You gain " then ret = str:sub(8,-1); end |
| 23:47.35 | foxlit | or something like that |
| 23:47.38 | foxlit | Cheap, too. |
| 23:47.46 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:47.58 | [dRaCo] | you'd have to strip the dot at the end, though |
| 23:48.05 | Shirik | -1 |
| 23:48.21 | [dRaCo] | oh. yeah. |
| 23:48.33 | [dRaCo] | wrong language -.-" |
| 23:49.41 | [dRaCo] | what's cheaper, 2 times sub or 1 pattern? |
| 23:49.55 | Shirik | a good question |
| 23:50.05 | JoshBorke | i guess pattern |
| 23:50.13 | Shirik | both kinda suck |
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| 23:50.20 | JoshBorke | you suck |
| 23:50.34 | Gnarfoz | NO U |
| 23:50.35 | Shirik | Granted, the fact that you reuse "You gain " is going to help |
| 23:50.36 | foxlit | :byte()! |
| 23:50.50 | Shirik | I'd guess the substrings are cheaper |
| 23:51.48 | [dRaCo] | print(now); func(); print(now); |
| 23:51.54 | foxlit | os.clock()! |
| 23:52.13 | Shirik | os.clock is second precision -_- |
| 23:52.18 | Garoun|Loupana | Does anyone know the going enchanter rate for doing the Soulfrost enchant with buyers mats? |
| 23:52.20 | JoshBorke | debugprofilestart() debugprofilestop() |
| 23:52.21 | [dRaCo] | pseudocode. |
| 23:52.29 | Shirik | oh no it's not |
| 23:52.39 | Legorol | Garoun|Loupana: what region, realm and faction? |
| 23:52.45 | Shirik | JoshBorke: > print(debugprofilestart) |
| 23:52.45 | Shirik | nil |
| 23:52.50 | Garoun|Loupana | US, Moonrunner, Alli |
| 23:52.59 | Legorol | sorry, no idea.. but i had to ask :P |
| 23:53.13 | Garoun|Loupana | I have it :) but avoid the trade channel like the plague so I haven't seen the going rate :( |
| 23:53.15 | foxlit | Sub comes out a bit faster for matches |
| 23:53.24 | Legorol | nothing wrong with starting high |
| 23:53.25 | JoshBorke | shirik: oh, in lua |
| 23:53.26 | JoshBorke | not wow |
| 23:53.29 | Shirik | ya |
| 23:53.33 | Legorol | i'd go with 25g |
| 23:53.35 | foxlit | 0.10 vs 0.16 for 100k matches on the same string |
| 23:53.53 | Legorol | soulfrots pretty rare on my realm |
| 23:53.59 | [dRaCo] | 1 or 2 subs? |
| 23:54.04 | Legorol | and 25g is pittance, so you could easily ask for it on EU, Silvermoon, Alliance |
| 23:54.39 | foxlit | dRaCo - two, both done so that you get the match saved to a variable |
| 23:54.54 | Garoun|Loupana | I was thinking more along the lines of 50, Mongoose goes for 20 with buyers mats |
| 23:55.22 | foxlit | You also do a "does it match" compare early with sub, so it saves an if later in |
| 23:55.29 | JoshBorke | i guessed...poorly |
| 23:55.30 | [dRaCo] | then that'd be the best way to go. |
| 23:55.35 | Garoun|Loupana | too bad wowecon only does AH info :P |
| 23:56.02 | foxlit | Shirik: no, it's not? |
| 23:56.33 | foxlit | os.time() is second precision, os.clock() is something... else |
| 23:57.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:57.30 | Shirik | oh |
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| 23:57.36 | Shirik | yeah, I found out |
| 23:57.36 | Shirik | ignore that >.> |
| 23:58.17 | JoshBorke | os.clock is ticks |
| 23:58.22 | JoshBorke | which is millisecondish |
| 23:58.23 | Shirik | ya |
| 23:59.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge gnor (n=jaydee@cpe-76-81-38-253.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.26 | art3mis | shirki and josh go read my comments on #wowace |
| 23:59.35 | art3mis | and then make me that addon and site ;P |
