| 00:01.14 | Mike-N-Go | Assign someone capaian? |
| 00:01.24 | Mike-N-Go | Collect money, Shirik ? |
| 00:01.47 | Shirik | Just I don't understand it... and this guy's been spamming trade forever with it |
| 00:02.02 | Shirik | "WTS my arena team, Rating 2272 #1 2v2, PST" |
| 00:02.10 | Shirik | 2277 |
| 00:02.11 | Shirik | whatever |
| 00:03.53 | Wobwork | hm |
| 00:03.56 | Shirik | I need a codename for this project, anyone have any good ideas? |
| 00:03.59 | Wobwork | Maybe it's advertising space |
| 00:04.02 | Wobwork | they're selling |
| 00:04.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:04.23 | Wobwork | [Wobin's Arena Team] <<EAT AT JOES>> |
| 00:04.36 | Wobwork | what's your project? |
| 00:05.21 | Shirik | The addon formerly known as RDX.Cid |
| 00:05.44 | Kirov | Anti-RDX |
| 00:06.48 | Kirov | Or maybe RDX360 |
| 00:06.57 | Shirik | >< |
| 00:07.46 | Kirov | XDR |
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| 00:09.14 | Kirov | Actually, in seriousness, a cool name for a complete raid package would be "conspiracy" |
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| 00:12.55 | Shirik | I love how my guild's only suggestion so far has been "SHNLSHMTFU" |
| 00:13.37 | Kirov | ?! |
| 00:13.41 | Kirov | what about Conspiracy |
| 00:13.51 | Shirik | I'm seriously considering it |
| 00:15.33 | Shirik | the only thing I'm really worried about with it |
| 00:15.37 | Shirik | it's kinda long |
| 00:15.41 | Shirik | typing that all over the place could be a pain :P |
| 00:15.53 | Shirik | But I could do something like "local C = Conspiracy" |
| 00:18.26 | Guillotine | GuillotineIsCool |
| 00:18.29 | Guillotine | best codename ever |
| 00:18.34 | Guillotine | or GuillotineIsTheBest |
| 00:18.35 | Guillotine | either works |
| 00:19.51 | [dRaCo] | Project Mayhem! |
| 00:20.20 | Kirov | Could call it conspiracy theory and shorten it to CT, that's never used. ;) |
| 00:20.37 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:20.46 | Guillotine | and since its a raid addon, you can call it CTRaid |
| 00:20.49 | Guillotine | its perfect! |
| 00:20.53 | Guillotine | completely unique! |
| 00:21.56 | sysrage | is it a requirement to be a complete god damn moron to become a GM? |
| 00:22.05 | Kirov | Usually, yes |
| 00:22.11 | Kirov | Only morons want to be a GM |
| 00:22.31 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:22.41 | Guillotine | I want to be a GM! |
| 00:22.48 | Guillotine | do you know how much you could mess with people before being fired? |
| 00:23.09 | sysrage | that dragonmaw illusion buff goes on me when i go to dragonmaw fortress so i can't help people do the zuluhed the wacked quest. i report that and the fucker tells me it's a UI problem. delete wtf, cache, and interface folders |
| 00:23.11 | Shirik | not much if they have the same restrictions I did :/ |
| 00:23.13 | sysrage | *sigh* |
| 00:23.30 | Guillotine | Shirik: I'm just talking about talking with people |
| 00:23.43 | Shirik | oh heh |
| 00:23.47 | Guillotine | "Please delete your wtf, cache, and files folders" |
| 00:23.55 | Guillotine | "please delete WoW.exe and Repair.exe" |
| 00:24.40 | Guillotine | wtf, cache, and data folders* |
| 00:24.40 | Thunder_Child | Plese delete C:\*.* |
| 00:24.44 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:24.46 | Thunder_Child | please* |
| 00:25.01 | Guillotine | please go to Run,and type in cmd |
| 00:25.04 | Guillotine | then, type format C: |
| 00:25.11 | Thunder_Child | i mean seriously, if they are gonna follow the command, they diserve it |
| 00:25.29 | Shirik | windows won't let ou format C |
| 00:26.57 | art3mis | **anymore |
| 00:27.30 | Shirik | it never did on NTFS because it can't format a mounted NTFS partition |
| 00:27.41 | Shirik | and unmounting it would require shutting down the OS |
| 00:28.00 | art3mis | yeah but 98 and me werent ntfs |
| 00:28.05 | art3mis | so "anymore" ;) |
| 00:28.27 | art3mis | hehe i used to have a program called zap.exe to wipe my drives |
| 00:28.30 | batrick_ | does 2.2 have a new .toc version? |
| 00:28.39 | Legorol | have a guess ;-) |
| 00:28.45 | batrick_ | i would say yes :) |
| 00:28.52 | art3mis | got to use it the last day of work when they fired me and the owner could only watch as i wandered to my various computers pretnding toi "shut them down" |
| 00:28.54 | Legorol | may i suggest using the Blizzard Interface Toolkit to extract FrameXML.toc? |
| 00:29.03 | batrick_ | bah |
| 00:29.13 | Legorol | the answer to your question is yes |
| 00:29.24 | batrick_ | thank you |
| 00:29.30 | art3mis | quick eggroll whats toc stand for?! |
| 00:29.38 | Shirik | table of contents? |
| 00:29.40 | art3mis | err legorol |
| 00:29.41 | batrick_ | table of creampuffs |
| 00:29.52 | art3mis | Terms or Conditions ;P |
| 00:29.57 | batrick_ | ah dang, is that it right shirik? |
| 00:29.59 | Legorol | tasty oatmeal cookies |
| 00:30.04 | Shirik | well that's what a TOC file does |
| 00:30.12 | Shirik | it lists all of the files for the addon |
| 00:30.18 | Shirik | in the order they should be loaded |
| 00:30.21 | batrick_ | shirik ur no fun |
| 00:30.23 | Legorol | or for the entire interface, in the case of FrameXML.toc :P |
| 00:30.27 | art3mis | it steals your cereal too if you're not careful |
| 00:30.33 | Legorol | idd |
| 00:30.55 | Wobwork | hm |
| 00:31.05 | Wobwork | what does RDX stand for anyway? |
| 00:31.12 | Shirik | raid data exchange |
| 00:31.55 | art3mis | so maybe ill ask in here |
| 00:32.10 | art3mis | anyone know a good totem bar addon, thats kind of like pally bar? |
| 00:32.20 | art3mis | that just adds totems to a new bar as you learn em? |
| 00:32.25 | Wobwork | I've always used Yata |
| 00:32.35 | Wobwork | that updates |
| 00:32.45 | art3mis | yeah i keep getting errors from yata |
| 00:32.49 | Wobwork | odd |
| 00:32.53 | Wobwork | I've had no issues =) |
| 00:33.06 | art3mis | which im guessing is a lib issue and the updater hating me ;P |
| 00:33.50 | Legorol | art3mis: if you don't mind me asking, what's the point of having totems on your bars? |
| 00:33.57 | Legorol | wouldn't you want to have the spells instead? |
| 00:34.06 | Shirik | where else would you put them? |
| 00:34.14 | Legorol | just carry them around in your bag |
| 00:34.18 | Legorol | why drag them onto your bars? |
| 00:34.39 | Legorol | or am i totally missing something |
| 00:34.55 | Shirik | oh, I thought that's what he meant |
| 00:35.04 | Shirik | I wasn't aware you had to carry them |
| 00:35.19 | Legorol | hm maybe i'm confusing something |
| 00:35.30 | Legorol | "totems" are the stuff you put in the relic slot as a shaman, right? |
| 00:35.35 | art3mis | oh cuz im lazy |
| 00:35.43 | mikma | anyone good with regexp? i have a file full of lines that start with (XPxxxx)|- and i want those to go away |
| 00:35.46 | art3mis | but i meant the actual spells |
| 00:35.55 | Legorol | mikma: what language |
| 00:36.02 | art3mis | like stoneskin totem and earthbind totem etc |
| 00:36.13 | Legorol | mikma: standard *nix regexps or Lua? |
| 00:36.15 | mikma | Legorol: well i'm using perl now |
| 00:36.33 | Arrowmaster | so posix regex |
| 00:36.41 | mikma | it's perl -pi -e 's/something/other/g' file |
| 00:36.46 | mikma | but i don't know what to put there |
| 00:37.02 | Legorol | which of those Xs are variable? |
| 00:37.21 | Legorol | either way, wouldn't s/^(.P....)|-)//g work? |
| 00:37.22 | mikma | numbers |
| 00:37.29 | mikma | let's try |
| 00:37.40 | Legorol | is the capital X alsoa number? |
| 00:37.54 | Legorol | does perl use extended regexp or not? |
| 00:37.54 | mikma | nope, those two are letters |
| 00:37.59 | Legorol | i.e. do you need ( or \( |
| 00:38.08 | mikma | but i want everything gone starting from letter ( and ending to letter - |
| 00:38.17 | Legorol | also, you might need \| instead of | |
| 00:38.41 | Legorol | then it's even simpler, just s/^(.*-)//g |
| 00:38.58 | mikma | let's try |
| 00:39.06 | Legorol | or actually s/^([^-]*-//g to be safe |
| 00:39.20 | Legorol | as i said, i have no idea if you need ( or \( in perl |
| 00:39.39 | mikma | \( |
| 00:39.44 | mikma | but that didn't do anything :D |
| 00:41.29 | Legorol | which one didn't? |
| 00:41.34 | art3mis | wob: yeah was a retarded lib issue |
| 00:41.35 | Legorol | i suggested at least 3 different things ;-) |
| 00:42.10 | mikma | Legorol: the last one didn't i'll test others too |
| 00:42.18 | Legorol | did you try both ( and \( |
| 00:42.29 | Legorol | if perl uses standard regexp, it's ( |
| 00:42.34 | mikma | yeah the ( gave error and \( didn't do anything |
| 00:42.36 | Legorol | if it uses extended regexp, then it's \( |
| 00:42.56 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:43.07 | Legorol | <mikma> anyone good with regexp? i have a file full of lines that start with (XPxxxx)|- and i want those to go away |
| 00:43.21 | Legorol | i suggested s/^([^-]*-//g |
| 00:43.28 | Shirik | where xxxx is...? |
| 00:43.40 | Legorol | capital X is literal, small x are numbers apparently |
| 00:43.51 | mikma | Shirik: it doesn't matter, they are just randomcrap, but i want the stuff starting with ( and ending to - gone |
| 00:45.08 | Shirik | so /\([^|]+?\)|-/ |
| 00:45.20 | Shirik | also be aware you proably have to escape the | from shell |
| 00:45.34 | Shirik | if doing it from there |
| 00:45.43 | Legorol | Shirik, don't you need a ^ at the start of the match? |
| 00:45.47 | Legorol | to make sure it's at the start of the line |
| 00:45.51 | mikma | Shirik: now that worked perfectly! thanks! |
| 00:45.55 | Shirik | is it supposed to bethe start of the line? |
| 00:46.02 | Legorol | also, if that works, then \([^-]*- should match too |
| 00:46.05 | mikma | sudo perl -pi -e 's/\([^|]+?\)\|-//g' test.txt |
| 00:46.14 | mikma | this was the line that removed the crap :) |
| 00:47.02 | Legorol | can you test if \([^-]*- works? |
| 00:47.20 | Legorol | i have a suspicion that you have space(s) at the start of the lines, that's why it didn't match with ^ in there at the start |
| 00:47.22 | mikma | yeah i can |
| 00:47.49 | Legorol | if \([^-]*- works but ^\([^-]*- doesn't, then you have whitespace at the beginning of your lines |
| 00:48.40 | mikma | Legorol: sudo perl -pi -e 's/\([^-]*-//g' foo.txt <- works too |
| 00:48.51 | Legorol | and ^\([^-]*- doesn't? |
| 00:48.57 | mikma | haven't tested it yer |
| 00:49.35 | mikma | Legorol: that didn't work |
| 00:49.52 | Legorol | check to see if there is anything on the line before the opening ( |
| 00:50.16 | Legorol | either you gave us the wrong specification, or my regexp knowledge sucks |
| 00:50.20 | Legorol | i suspect the latter :o) |
| 00:50.21 | Shirik | hehe |
| 00:50.28 | Shirik | well the only thing I don't like about yours Legorol |
| 00:50.42 | mikma | Legorol: (XP258662)|- <- that's the start of first line |
| 00:50.52 | mikma | i have no idea what the hell they are anyway lol |
| 00:50.53 | Shirik | if a line has a - in it, whether it was |- or not, it will still not like it |
| 00:50.54 | Legorol | nothing in front of the (? |
| 00:50.55 | Shirik | and delete it |
| 00:51.01 | batrick_ | sucks trying to make addons work for 2.2 when the queue times are so long /sigh |
| 00:51.02 | Shirik | that's why I looked for | instead of - |
| 00:51.03 | Legorol | Shirik: true |
| 00:51.07 | mikma | Legorol: nothing. line starts with ( |
| 00:51.14 | Legorol | strange |
| 00:51.24 | Legorol | then perl is not following POSIX extended regexp |
| 00:51.31 | Legorol | ^ should mean beginning of line |
| 00:51.59 | Legorol | i'm confuzzled |
| 00:52.01 | Cide | wouldn't you have to do '\\('? |
| 00:52.10 | Legorol | Cide: apparently \( worked |
| 00:52.20 | mikma | oh lol |
| 00:52.36 | mikma | well i noticed that my terminal sucked and there's still -| at the start of the lines :D |
| 00:52.46 | Legorol | that explains it |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:53.05 | Legorol | i was starting to get very worried :D |
| 00:53.31 | mikma | it removed the start but left the -| there |
| 00:53.43 | mikma | err, |- |
| 00:53.49 | Legorol | O.o |
| 00:53.55 | mikma | eh hehe sorry, -| ;) |
| 00:54.06 | Legorol | how could you be left with -|? |
| 00:54.08 | mikma | but they were easy to remove, s/\-\|//g |
| 00:54.15 | Shirik | because |
| 00:54.16 | Shirik | Legorol |
| 00:54.16 | Legorol | you just said that your lines start with stuff like (XP258662)|- |
| 00:54.33 | Shirik | nm, I made it up |
| 00:54.36 | Legorol | or is it -|(XP258662)|- |
| 00:54.38 | mikma | yeah they did actually, lets see |
| 00:54.52 | Legorol | can you pastey a whole line? |
| 00:54.54 | mikma | Legorol: -|(XP258662)|- :D |
| 00:55.02 | mikma | my terminal sucked hehe |
| 00:55.06 | Legorol | ok, that makes 100% sense now |
| 00:55.13 | mikma | (was set to xterm instead of xterm-color) |
| 00:55.18 | Legorol | so Shirik's regexp removed (XP258662)|-, leaving the leading -| |
| 00:55.33 | mikma | didn't show some letters correctly and i started to wonder why is that |
| 00:56.06 | mikma | but anyway, thanks both, the starts are gone now |
| 00:56.27 | Legorol | Shirik: you were absolutely right about my regexp being wrong in that i should've made sure to match more precisely, but conversly, since mikma specified "at start of line", you should've used ^ ;-) |
| 00:56.29 | Shirik | then try /-|\([^|]*?)|-/ that should get rid of both ends in a single pass |
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| 00:56.36 | Legorol | and then it wouldn't have worked, and we would've all been confuzzled :D |
| 00:56.39 | mikma | Shirik: i'll try |
| 00:56.42 | Shirik | Legorol: true :) |
| 00:56.52 | Shirik | mikma: Stick a ^ at the beginning of that |
| 00:57.01 | Legorol | no, try /^-|\(XP....)|-/ |
| 00:57.07 | Legorol | no, try /^-|\(XP....\)|-/ even |
| 00:57.09 | Shirik | is it always XP? |
| 00:57.11 | Legorol | i insist :o) |
| 00:57.17 | Legorol | Shirik: according to mikma's spec ;-) |
| 00:57.27 | Shirik | ok then ya |
| 00:57.57 | mikma | Shirik: well got an error about that one, tried to escape the chars but still errors heh |
| 00:58.03 | Legorol | probably the number of digits can vary, so it should be /^-|\(XP[0-9]+\)|-/ |
| 00:58.21 | Legorol | ah yeah you need to do \| instead of | probably |
| 00:58.33 | Shirik | did you do /^-|\(XP[0-9]+?\)|-/ |
| 00:58.36 | Legorol | anyway, the mystery is solved |
| 00:58.38 | Shirik | no, we used | before |
| 00:58.42 | Legorol | so i lost interest |
| 00:58.51 | mikma | Legorol: /^-|\(XP....\)|-/ <- that removed the - and - :D but left other crap in |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 00:59.06 | Legorol | [01:46] <mikma> sudo perl -pi -e 's/\([^|]+?\)\|-//g' test.txt |
| 00:59.06 | Legorol | [01:46] <mikma> this was the line that removed the crap :) |
| 00:59.07 | Shirik | no |
| 00:59.09 | mikma | whops wait |
| 00:59.09 | Shirik | no ... >.> |
| 00:59.16 | Shirik | he meant everything else I said :P |
| 00:59.17 | Legorol | note how that was \| |
| 00:59.18 | mikma | lol direct copypastes ftw, didn't see the .... in |
| 00:59.29 | Shirik | lol. |
| 00:59.44 | mikma | but didn't matter hehe |
| 01:00.05 | Legorol | moral of the story: |
| 01:00.12 | mikma | as it didn't remove anything since it prolly needs something after XP |
| 01:00.14 | Legorol | a) be precise in your spec and read the line carefully |
| 01:00.24 | Legorol | b) give a regexp that matches as closely as possible with what you think you want to nuke |
| 01:00.36 | Shirik | well |
| 01:00.41 | Shirik | .... means 4 characters, actually |
| 01:00.44 | Legorol | c) mikma isn't reading everything i typed, only every 2nd line or so |
| 01:00.45 | mikma | Legorol: i did read it and pasted what i saw :D but the terminal set was wrong and it didn't show me the -| at the start lol |
| 01:00.48 | Shirik | so it should have matched anything that's only 4 digits |
| 01:01.13 | Legorol | hehe anyway |
| 01:01.23 | Legorol | the mystery is no mystery anymore |
| 01:01.31 | Legorol | next problem please :o) |
| 01:01.43 | Legorol | what, no problems in the waiting room? |
| 01:02.36 | Shirik | well it's official. The new RDX project is codenamed "Conspiracy" for the time being |
| 01:02.58 | Legorol | that sounds.. ominous |
| 01:03.34 | Shirik | hey, 10 men sneak into some old guy's mansion to kill a bunch of people |
| 01:03.38 | Shirik | that sounds like a conspiracy to me |
| 01:03.55 | mikma | why not "superraid" while at it |
| 01:03.55 | Shirik | The name will likely change at release, but for now, that's its title |
| 01:04.01 | Legorol | Shirik: what if it involves women and not men? |
| 01:04.06 | Kyahx | Hyper-mega-turbo-awesome-raid? |
| 01:04.08 | Legorol | besides, most of the stuff they kill aren't even alive |
| 01:04.11 | Shirik | then it's called a slumber party |
| 01:04.15 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:06.06 | Shirik | awesome |
| 01:06.10 | Shirik | my video driver just crashed |
| 01:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The difference between pulling at 110% and 130% threat is 10 yards, right? |
| 01:06.20 | Shirik | this reminds me of the days when you would load up carmen sandiego in DOS |
| 01:06.21 | Antiarc | Melee range |
| 01:06.35 | Antiarc | But it's measured at 10 yards in threat/KTM because that's as accurate as we can get |
| 01:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I play a mage :) |
| 01:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay |
| 01:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I needed to know |
| 01:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing a post for my guild on how threat works :/ |
| 01:07.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 01:07.05 | Wobwork | (11:04:00 AM) Shirik: hey, 10 men sneak into some old guy's mansion to kill a bunch of people |
| 01:07.10 | Wobwork | sounds like Murder By Death |
| 01:07.22 | Shirik | gotta restart so I can actually see >.> |
| 01:07.28 | Shirik | Wobwork's popup filled the entire screen |
| 01:09.51 | art3mis | or a news report on the manson family ;) |
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| 01:31.10 | Tem | sigh, why can't there be a gem that fits a yellow socket that increases my dps as well as my suvivability? |
| 01:31.27 | Tem | melee gets one |
| 01:31.45 | Tem | why do I have to downgrade? |
| 01:38.05 | Guillotine | anybody know in which file Floating Combat Text (the blizz SCT) is created? |
| 01:38.40 | Kyahx | Blizzard_CombatText ? |
| 01:38.44 | Guillotine | oh, nm |
| 01:38.44 | Guillotine | ya |
| 01:38.47 | Kyahx | :) |
| 01:38.49 | Guillotine | I was looking in FrameXML |
| 01:41.02 | Wobwork | Shirik: My popup"? |
| 01:41.39 | Shirik | whenever someone pings me, I get a popup in the bottom right hand corner with the nick of the person that pinged me and what the message was |
| 01:41.42 | Shirik | regardless of what window is open |
| 01:41.56 | Shirik | that way I don't have to switch to mirc to see something I don't care about |
| 01:42.03 | Wobwork | so why does my one take up the entire screen? |
| 01:42.07 | Wobwork | HAY SHIRIK! |
| 01:42.07 | Shirik | Unfortunately when your resolution is like 10x20, that doesn't work too well |
| 01:42.15 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 01:42.22 | Shirik | my graphics driver crashed seconds before you pinged me :P |
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| 01:47.41 | mikma | Guillotine: http://wow-kyahx.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/KyCombatText/ |
| 01:47.56 | Kyahx | damn you mikma |
| 01:48.10 | mikma | Kyahx: narf |
| 01:48.23 | Guillotine | mikma: what about it? |
| 01:48.33 | Kyahx | Its blizzard's comat text + sexy |
| 01:48.40 | mikma | Guillotine: everything about it! it's the best there is |
| 01:48.43 | Guillotine | lol |
| 01:48.54 | Kyahx | I should really get around to releasing it for real... |
| 01:49.00 | Guillotine | I'm just making a quick addon so that I can easily see when my set bonus procs so I know how much it is |
| 01:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Are all threat modifiers multiplicative, additional, or a mix? I know threat _reduction_ is multiplicative, but I'm not sure if threat _addition_ is |
| 01:50.28 | mikma | Guillotine: see the end of http://wow-kyahx.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/KyCombatText/Core.lua |
| 01:51.28 | Guillotine | mikma: ya, I got it :) was extremely easy once I found hte file |
| 01:52.06 | mikma | Guillotine: Kyahx even made a addon to put loot in the FCT, but it bugs. damn that Kyahx |
| 01:52.14 | Kyahx | I fixed it tard |
| 01:52.17 | Kyahx | GO update |
| 01:52.44 | mikma | Kyahx: did you fix these two: partyloots are shown, and rolls are shown |
| 01:52.46 | Kyahx | it'll only trigger on crap that receive now |
| 01:53.00 | mikma | yay. perfect! |
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| 01:59.30 | mikma | Kyahx: lol another idea. receiving epix = Crit ;) |
| 01:59.30 | mikma | doing! |
| 01:59.30 | Kyahx | no, don't care enough :P |
| 01:59.30 | mikma | didn't think so, you're such a lazyass |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | augh, this is seriously pissing me off |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | I have to either run windowed mode, or MEGA-HYPER-DUAL-DESKTOP mode |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | I can't just keep wow on one screen and use the other for real work :( |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | Kyahx: yeah. don't use the latter :O |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | =( |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | Kyahx: then you have to use some sort of viewport |
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| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | I just want full screen on one moniter, why is that so hard for wine to understand |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | Kyahx: what i did was drag the startbar to screen nr.2 and ran windowed wow toggled max on screen nr.1 |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | did work quite well |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | oh, wine xD |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | :) |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | I haven't used windows in...8 months? |
| 01:59.31 | mikma | oh well, in future you kinda have to if the sounds still bug? |
| 01:59.31 | Kyahx | Nah, I got PTR working last night |
| 01:59.31 | Gnarfoz | it's bugged on windows too, so what |
| 01:59.32 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:59.33 | mikma | :D |
| 01:59.47 | Kyahx | I even got into the voice-chat options last night :P |
| 01:59.56 | Kyahx | granted, they didn't work, but the menu was pretty? |
| 02:00.54 | mikma | hmm, i thought they wull add the voip later, after that patch |
| 02:02.07 | Guillotine | the gui is there |
| 02:02.20 | Guillotine | just do /scritp IsVoiceEnabled=function() return true end |
| 02:02.22 | Guillotine | wait |
| 02:02.26 | Guillotine | that might nto be right function |
| 02:02.28 | Guillotine | but something like that |
| 02:02.33 | Guillotine | and you can vew all the options |
| 02:02.37 | Guillotine | and record your voice and play it back |
| 02:03.04 | mikma | too "bad" my mic is broken |
| 02:07.44 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.50 | Kyahx | Guillotine: that's what I did |
| 02:07.51 | Tem | balancing gems for this meta sucks |
| 02:08.12 | Kyahx | allthou record didn't work, it just killed my entier system sound |
| 02:08.14 | Tem | esp when they don't give me hardly any blue sockets and all the green gems suck |
| 02:08.19 | Kyahx | granted that's probley a cedega problem :P |
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| 02:15.05 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:15.14 | Nom- | Boss just came up and spoke to our team about it |
| 02:15.22 | Nom- | about something |
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| 02:15.35 | Nom- | and all we heard was "meeting...lunch provided" |
| 02:19.37 | Cairenn|afk | lunch provided is always nice |
| 02:19.52 | Shirik | hi Cairenn |
| 02:19.55 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 02:28.09 | Wobwork | Kyahx: I did what mikma did |
| 02:28.13 | Wobwork | but with wine =) |
| 02:28.16 | Wobwork | and ubuntu |
| 02:28.27 | Kyahx | ?? |
| 02:28.33 | Wobwork | dragged the menu bar across to the other monitor |
| 02:28.39 | Wobwork | and windowed-max wow |
| 02:28.48 | Kyahx | that didn't want to work for me |
| 02:28.52 | mikma | might be even better in linux after all |
| 02:28.55 | Wobwork | hm =\ |
| 02:29.02 | mikma | in windows you still get the stupid topbar of windows programs |
| 02:29.09 | Wobwork | oh I get that |
| 02:29.13 | Wobwork | cause it's windowed |
| 02:29.18 | Kyahx | yea, im trying to use devilspie to hide that now :P |
| 02:29.30 | Wobwork | I want to be able to use the monitor for other stuff if I need to |
| 02:29.37 | mikma | i should try that wine + wow sometimes |
| 02:29.37 | Wobwork | so windowed is how it goes |
| 02:29.54 | mikma | but i guess there will be problems with compiz and wow :P |
| 02:30.08 | Kyahx | just diable compiz when your playing, no big deal |
| 02:30.31 | Wobwork | I have no problems with compiz |
| 02:30.45 | Wobwork | then again, I'm not too sure what build I'm using of compiz anymore |
| 02:30.53 | mikma | i don't think my amd2500+ has enough kick in it to run them both nicely |
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| 02:34.35 | AnduinLothar | is moros optional? |
| 02:34.37 | AnduinLothar | morose* |
| 02:35.43 | Shirik | eh, not really |
| 02:35.47 | Wobwork | no |
| 02:35.55 | Shirik | in theory, but the room to clear further respawns |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik | at a rather fast rate |
| 02:36.07 | Shirik | downing moroes stops that |
| 02:36.22 | Wobwork | You need moroes for the opera unlocking |
| 02:36.39 | Shirik | is that so? I never tried not killing moroes so |
| 02:36.45 | Shirik | can you get to maiden? |
| 02:36.56 | Wobwork | Maiden is optional... |
| 02:37.03 | Wobwork | not sure if moroes blocks her though |
| 02:37.10 | Shirik | maiden is indeed optional |
| 02:37.14 | Shirik | I know that for a fact |
| 02:38.47 | Kyahx | bwahaha, it worked! |
| 02:38.58 | mikma | Kyahx: say wha? |
| 02:39.08 | Kyahx | using devilspie to remove the window decorations :P |
| 02:39.21 | mikma | oh |
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| 02:41.15 | mikma | oooh, now i know why i should install wine! |
| 02:41.23 | mikma | http://www.winehq.org/images/shots/full/wine_1.png |
| 02:41.34 | mikma | solitaire :D |
| 02:42.56 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:43.03 | Shirik | no comment |
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| 02:43.24 | Kyahx | oh snap, it works with compiz enabled still |
| 02:43.28 | mikma | windows solitaire is propably the best solitaire the is |
| 02:47.53 | mikma | oh wow, nice typo. the=there :P |
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| 03:16.53 | Kyahx | Wobwork: http://kyahx.pastey.net/71569 |
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| 04:33.45 | Nom- | gah |
| 04:33.51 | Nom- | while the big cat's away, the mice will play |
| 04:34.07 | Nom- | We just had some rather sweeping changes pushed onto our department, because our exec just left |
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| 05:20.04 | Cairenn | eeep, not a clown! |
| 05:21.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of scary clowns |
| 05:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=hFHBtu6Nb40 |
| 05:21.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't suggest watching that if you're afraid of clowns and/or about to go to sleep |
| 05:22.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not a screamer or anything |
| 05:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wow @ test realm |
| 05:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 2,000 person wait? |
| 05:37.28 | FlAWD | lol |
| 05:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They really need to fire up a closed server for some of us :/ |
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| 05:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 10:40 PM "blizzard time" on a Sunday night and they have a 2k people queue |
| 05:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean really |
| 05:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | wts premades |
| 05:58.07 | Nom- | What they need to do |
| 05:58.12 | Nom- | Is make more goddamn fishing competitions |
| 05:58.31 | Nom- | As if any australian is going to get up at 3:00am in the morning on Monday to do the damn fishing competion |
| 06:03.28 | art3mis | hah yer fishing contest is at 3am? |
| 06:04.43 | art3mis | or are you complaining because yer aussie playing on a us mainland server? |
| 06:07.14 | Nom- | There are no Australian servers |
| 06:07.52 | Nom- | So we have to play on the US ones, which means the Sunday afternoon fishing contest is at 3:00am Monday for us |
| 06:11.42 | Corrodias | where's the Oceanic zone? |
| 06:12.18 | Nom- | The server times are the same last i checked |
| 06:12.19 | Corrodias | or what time zones is it mapped to? |
| 06:12.21 | Nom- | Including all events |
| 06:12.53 | Nom- | The Euro timezones are actually better for us |
| 06:13.00 | Nom- | But we don't have access to the Euro WoW of course |
| 06:15.53 | Cairenn | Oh, just thought I'd mention - all you lovely people who are giving me your cell phone numbers? Thank you very much - I'm making a mint selling them to the sex chatlines |
| 06:16.04 | Nom- | epic :) |
| 06:18.19 | Wobwork | .. |
| 06:18.28 | Wobwork | wouldn't that make the hotline the one paying for the call? |
| 06:18.38 | Wobwork | or do you have some odd system in the States? |
| 06:18.56 | Wobwork | Or in Canadia =) |
| 06:20.38 | Cairenn | I'm being an evil mastermind, stop spoiling my plotting! |
| 06:22.05 | Wobwork | oh it's pretty evil on behalf of us! |
| 06:22.10 | Wobwork | we're getting free sex calls =) |
| 06:23.19 | Cairenn | no no - people are going to be calling other people for their sex chatlines, and charging them to your phones |
| 06:29.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of akward phone calls |
| 06:29.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been getting a bunch of weird calls on my cell phone including telemarketing |
| 06:30.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and spanish voicemail @_@ |
| 06:30.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | luckily my phone has a block feature but still |
| 06:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's damn annoying |
| 06:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I got a call some months ago about the upcoming presidential election. |
| 06:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Some /months ago/ about the /upcoming presidential election/ |
| 06:31.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've gotta remember to vote in the primaries |
| 06:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't see how one could forget. |
| 06:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the biggest news orgy ever in existance every four years |
| 06:32.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want ron paul to do well but don't believe he will due to the media almost completely ignoring him :[ |
| 06:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's put it this way: I don't watch TV or listen to the radio |
| 06:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't check campaign sites, or have ad banners visible anywhere |
| 06:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm _certain_ that I'll have the related "news" blasted to me in nine different ways |
| 06:33.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's really the only candidate i've liked, like ever, and if he doesn't do well in the primaries i'm going to end up voting for whoever i hate least :[ |
| 06:34.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just have to remember to vote for him and hope he gets good press at the youtube debate |
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| 07:16.27 | Corrodias | i don't suppose it's possible to have both of your primary profession be tailoring and have them be of different specializations? :P |
| 07:18.34 | Corrodias | i don't understand why the primal mooncloth and frozen shadoweave sets require tailoring specializations just to wear, at least according to wowhead comments |
| 07:18.46 | Nom- | No |
| 07:18.51 | Nom- | You can't learn tailoring twice ;) |
| 07:19.37 | Nom- | Ya, they do require specialization |
| 07:19.56 | Nom- | They're BOP though, so that's why |
| 07:19.57 | Corrodias | i don't suppose it's an intentional insult to priests |
| 07:21.13 | Nom- | lol no |
| 07:21.52 | Nom- | It's expected that your mages/warlocks would pick up one or the other |
| 07:22.00 | Nom- | and priests would get the mooncloth one |
| 07:22.11 | Corrodias | just like i suppose their talents are amazingly useful in a way that hardly anyone understands. once i started examining the talent trees, i experienced the hilarity of lightwell |
| 07:22.40 | Nom- | lolwell :) |
| 07:22.53 | Nom- | Yeah, it's a joke... circle of healing is good though apparently |
| 07:23.07 | Nom- | It's useless to use on a self, but as a group heal it's quite efficient |
| 07:23.10 | Corrodias | CoH sounds like it has a place |
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| 07:23.36 | Corrodias | maybe this was designed before the expansion? the tiered sets offer both damage and healing variations of the gear which don't require blowing money on respeccing your professions to equip |
| 07:24.07 | Corrodias | so at SOME point they realized that classes are no longer forced into one spec, or shouldn't be ... so this restriction just confuses me |
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| 07:24.32 | Nom- | Nah, it's to stop everyone from having everything at the same time |
| 07:24.38 | Nom- | I mean, imagine if you will |
| 07:25.21 | GofG | CHOOSE GOOD SONG DANCE ALL TIME |
| 07:25.23 | GofG | ...oops. wrong macro. |
| 07:25.25 | GofG | Hi everyone! |
| 07:25.41 | Nom- | A warrio with Bulwark of the Ancient Kings AND Stormherald |
| 07:25.47 | Corrodias | *pulls razorgore* |
| 07:25.49 | Nom- | Or even worse, a paladin |
| 07:25.51 | Corrodias | oops, wrong macro! |
| 07:25.56 | GofG | Lol Corro |
| 07:26.11 | GofG | Any way to get MyRolePlay to work on a mac? |
| 07:26.15 | Corrodias | i have never played a class more than 18 levels that can wear anything above leather, except my hunter |
| 07:26.22 | Corrodias | and have NO idea what those are |
| 07:27.37 | Corrodias | my main is a druid, in fact, which rather puts me into a mood of flexibility rather than choosing one thing only |
| 07:28.02 | GofG | im in ur druidz nerfinz ur bearformz. |
| 07:28.47 | GofG | Corrodias: Have you read Allamo's stuff? |
| 07:28.48 | Corrodias | actually, Bear got a buff recently to increase the damage of Mangle again |
| 07:28.53 | Corrodias | i don't know that name |
| 07:29.05 | GofG | It's the best druid guide in the game. |
| 07:29.07 | GofG | It's free, too |
| 07:29.08 | GofG | http://druid.wikispaces.com/Alamo+teechs+u+2+play+DURID%21 |
| 07:29.16 | Corrodias | that sounds very familiar |
| 07:29.31 | Corrodias | ah, yes, i have seen that |
| 07:29.57 | GofG | Hehe I laughed so hard... |
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| 07:30.11 | GofG | Nargiddley!! |
| 07:32.32 | GofG | :( fin ignur me tehn. |
| 07:32.35 | GofG | i hat u |
| 07:32.37 | GofG | nub |
| 07:32.55 | Cairenn | I so hope you are joking :p |
| 07:33.10 | GofG | i hat u 2 u nub, carn. |
| 07:33.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:33.53 | GofG | What's up, guys? |
| 07:34.12 | Cairenn | sleep for me, momentarily |
| 07:34.19 | Thunder_Child | sure... |
| 07:34.24 | Cairenn | hush |
| 07:34.27 | Thunder_Child | sleep and you dont seem to mix |
| 07:34.52 | Cairenn | hey, I got ... ummm .... a lot of hours ... last night |
| 07:35.05 | Corrodias | not looking forward to having to choose between the damage set and the healing set, months in the future... |
| 07:35.06 | Thunder_Child | yea, 1 then 1 then 1 then 1... |
| 07:35.24 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, get both |
| 07:35.48 | Corrodias | what's the cost to switch between tailoring specializations? |
| 07:36.08 | Thunder_Child | 150g |
| 07:36.16 | GofG | I thought it was you had to unlearn |
| 07:36.26 | Thunder_Child | it is, costs 150g to do it |
| 07:36.35 | Corrodias | a number of patches ago, GofG |
| 07:36.46 | GofG | oh |
| 07:37.05 | Corrodias | i seem to recall that you don't need to drop the profession and grind it all over again any more |
| 07:37.27 | Cairenn | you don't? |
| 07:38.07 | Corrodias | i could be wrong, as i can't quote anybody, but i believe i read that |
| 07:38.21 | Corrodias | wouldn't it be silly to pay 150g to drop the profession? |
| 07:39.45 | Cairenn | You young whippersnappers have it easy these days! Why, I remember, when we wanted to change professions, we had to go eleventy bazillion miles uphill in the snow both ways just for the privilege of being able to talk to a guy who would whack you upside the head with a huge mallet, causing you to forget everything you ever knew and reduce you to having to relearn how to feed yourself again and walk upright before you could even start to |
| 07:39.52 | GofG | haha |
| 07:39.55 | Cairenn | and we said thank you! |
| 07:40.14 | Corrodias | but 150g is a rather significant cost, adding a possible respec fee of 50g, so getting both sets is financially infeasible |
| 07:40.28 | Corrodias | every time you want to switch roles |
| 07:41.11 | Cairenn | okay, so maybe I'm a little tired - night guys |
| 07:44.11 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, it's 150g to drop the specilization |
| 07:44.18 | Thunder_Child | ok, cant spell |
| 07:44.21 | Thunder_Child | and learn a new one |
| 07:44.30 | Thunder_Child | not the entire skill |
| 07:45.19 | Thunder_Child | i know, i did it on the taloring one...man i should read before i blindly press ok |
| 07:45.30 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 07:46.02 | Corrodias | indeed, well, spending 200g instead of 50g to respec just so you can wear both sets is a little steep. i'd have to decide on a Primary Role for my character, although at least i'm not forced to be a healer |
| 07:46.23 | Thunder_Child | what 200g? |
| 07:46.29 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 07:46.32 | Thunder_Child | got ya |
| 07:46.43 | Corrodias | 50g to respec between shadow and holy/disc and 150g to respec your tailoring so you can wear the gear (to anyone who hasn't gotten it) |
| 07:46.45 | Thunder_Child | but i dont think you need the spec to war it, just make it |
| 07:46.51 | Thunder_Child | wear* |
| 07:47.06 | Corrodias | wowhead comments and Nom- agree that even wearing them requires the spec |
| 07:47.06 | Nom- | yah |
| 07:47.20 | Thunder_Child | really...how iritating |
| 07:47.20 | Nom- | It's pretty harsh |
| 07:47.28 | Nom- | But it's for good reason |
| 07:47.42 | Nom- | A warrior with Bulwark of the Ancient Kings AND Stormherald <-- owned |
| 07:48.10 | Thunder_Child | hardly, gruuls+ has better than the BP i am sure |
| 07:48.13 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28485 <-- Bulwark of Ancient Kings |
| 07:48.34 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28442 <-- Stormherald |
| 07:48.50 | Corrodias | that's an interesting -- yet inappropriate -- comparison |
| 07:49.02 | Corrodias | mixing healing gear with your damage gear isn't going to make your damage output OP at all |
| 07:49.05 | Nom- | Well, not really, the same principal applies... |
| 07:49.27 | Nom- | Bulkwark of Ancient Kings is as good for tanking as it is DPS |
| 07:49.54 | Nom- | The health bonus makes it good for tanking |
| 07:49.55 | Corrodias | but stormherald is not |
| 07:50.00 | Nom- | Correct |
| 07:50.24 | Nom- | So for a paladin especially |
| 07:50.38 | Nom- | That's an excellent tanking chest, and an awesome dps mace |
| 07:51.06 | Thunder_Child | t4 for pally is better than that i belive |
| 07:51.07 | Corrodias | i really don't have a problem with that, myself |
| 07:51.08 | Nom- | If they weren't restricted by spec, then that would give you a huge advantage in some cases |
| 07:51.19 | Nom- | For DPS, T4 is crap actually |
| 07:51.24 | Thunder_Child | no, for tanking |
| 07:51.34 | Nom- | For tanking.... that's debatable |
| 07:51.34 | Corrodias | you've crafted one item for tanking and one item for dps. this doesn't bother me at all. |
| 07:51.49 | Nom- | You lose stamina and strength on the pally sets |
| 07:51.52 | Nom- | and gain spell damage |
| 07:52.11 | Thunder_Child | which is important for generating agro |
| 07:52.13 | Nom- | Two stats which are actually still important to a tanking paladin |
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| 07:52.26 | Corrodias | what is the argument AGAINST being able to craft both offensive and defensive items? |
| 07:52.36 | Thunder_Child | we can dps within 2 sec's of our mt pally starting an encounter |
| 07:52.38 | Nom- | Yeah, but my pointwas |
| 07:52.43 | Corrodias | (engineering should just be put to rest. RIP.) |
| 07:52.52 | Nom- | You're complaining because you can't equip Healing and DPS gear without changing tailoring spec |
| 07:52.58 | Nom- | But you're not alone |
| 07:53.11 | Nom- | Because Blacksmiths are limited by the same Tanking vs Offensive gear |
| 07:53.19 | Corrodias | well, that's just as silly, i say |
| 07:53.26 | Thunder_Child | no, thats healing and shadow dps....i am holy dps i can switch :) |
| 07:53.39 | Nom- | heh |
| 07:53.43 | Nom- | i love lolsmite priests :P |
| 07:53.55 | Corrodias | why, what's it like? |
| 07:54.04 | Nom- | I could never level one myself tho |
| 07:54.06 | Thunder_Child | well, this lol smite priest hits as hard as a mage..just not as fast |
| 07:54.20 | Nom- | I've got a level 30ish priest |
| 07:54.23 | Nom- | I can't bring myself to level it |
| 07:54.51 | Nom- | I'm actually working on a cloth tank now |
| 07:54.56 | Nom- | (Warlock) |
| 07:54.57 | Corrodias | my priest (at 28) is surprisingly resilient |
| 07:55.30 | Corrodias | with shields, heals, and fears, he can handle some situations i wouldn't have expected of a priest |
| 07:55.45 | Nom- | warlocks are so OP from about level 35 |
| 07:55.50 | Nom- | or so i'm told :) |
| 07:55.59 | Corrodias | i don't doubt that |
| 07:56.34 | Nom- | dot, dot, siphon, tab, dot, dot, siphon, tab, dot, dot, siphon, tab, drain life, drain life |
| 07:56.38 | Nom- | :P |
| 07:57.50 | Nom- | I look forward to it, got my warlock to level 26 last night |
| 07:58.02 | Thunder_Child | #char US Dreanor Prismatic |
| 07:58.08 | Thunder_Child | >< |
| 07:58.14 | Nom- | Got runthrough RFK by a guildie...burned all my rested xp in 2 runs |
| 07:58.15 | Corrodias | i think mine's 4 |
| 07:58.19 | Thunder_Child | !char US Dreanor Prismatic |
| 07:58.20 | ThraeBot | Thunder_Child: Prismatic is not the character you are looking for! |
| 07:58.28 | Nom- | !char US Stormscale Yousko |
| 07:58.30 | ThraeBot | Nom-: Yousko, Level 26 Orc Warlock (17/0/0). 933 HP; 1390 Mana; 78 mana regen; 3.65% dodge; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuao6v ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkebu ]] |
| 07:58.44 | Thunder_Child | i bet you i just cant spell my realm |
| 07:58.59 | Corrodias | #char US Draenor Prismatic |
| 07:59.10 | Corrodias | maybe the bot sucks |
| 07:59.11 | Thunder_Child | ! not $ |
| 07:59.13 | Thunder_Child | #* |
| 07:59.17 | Corrodias | !char US Draenor Prismatic |
| 07:59.19 | ThraeBot | Corrodias: Prismatic, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (34/27/0). 7091 HP; 9801 Mana; 197 mana regen; 30 mp5; 254 spell crit; 40 spell hit; 724 +spell dmg/heal; 6.18% dodge; 17 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ac3ml ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35lqrk ]] |
| 07:59.31 | Nom- | mmph |
| 07:59.36 | Nom- | spell damage is a little low :) |
| 07:59.48 | Thunder_Child | i know, i have a blue main hond with no enchant |
| 07:59.49 | Corrodias | mana, too. a new 70, perhaps. |
| 08:00.07 | Corrodias | not -very-, but my druid's above that and i don't collect gear specifically |
| 08:00.08 | Thunder_Child | waiting for princes dagger |
| 08:00.18 | Thunder_Child | hand* |
| 08:00.20 | Nom- | I've got almost that much and i'm not wearing fantastic gear |
| 08:00.23 | Nom- | I've got greens in fact |
| 08:00.30 | Nom- | This is on my pally lol |
| 08:00.33 | Corrodias | i'm wearing your mom |
| 08:00.37 | Thunder_Child | i also run about a 30% crit |
| 08:00.59 | Nom- | bleh logged out in heal gear |
| 08:01.16 | Nom- | I need to get heal enchants actually |
| 08:01.28 | Nom- | that would push me to almost 1700 +healing |
| 08:01.49 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata <-- if you can suggest any upgrades...mainly ring/trinket |
| 08:02.04 | Corrodias | i kinda made the priest hoping to make him into a healer, so maybe i should go mooncloth |
| 08:02.08 | Nom- | My shockadin gear is at about 670 spell damage |
| 08:02.31 | Nom- | I should just go buy the Stormcaller from Thrallmar |
| 08:02.37 | Corrodias | but i don't know what other cloth healing gear is available to compare it to, nor damage gear to compare to the other. i guess i'll figure that out when the time comes. |
| 08:02.42 | Nom- | I've been trying to get the lower city one though, for better +stamina |
| 08:02.45 | Thunder_Child | isnt the rep ring from kara better than ancestral band? |
| 08:02.55 | Nom- | ah good point |
| 08:02.59 | Nom- | I've still got the tanking one |
| 08:03.12 | Nom- | I started off as tanking kara |
| 08:03.23 | Nom- | Then when I had like mostly healing epics, i swapped roles |
| 08:04.44 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if the offhand healing item from shade is better than the shield for pve |
| 08:04.47 | Corrodias | i'm one of our MT's, and i used to be a healer in pre-BC ZG. one of our old tanks is now one of the healers, so i like to say we switched. |
| 08:05.24 | Nom- | Well, I was a mage in a former life :) |
| 08:05.35 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominate <-- one letter different |
| 08:05.37 | Corrodias | healing is still my first and greatest love |
| 08:05.39 | Thunder_Child | i was our MT in a former life heh |
| 08:06.02 | Nom- | I'm working on getting the T2 lookalite set |
| 08:06.06 | Thunder_Child | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Holytemplar <-- used to be me |
| 08:06.06 | Nom- | lookalike even |
| 08:06.10 | Nom- | just coz i like the look of it |
| 08:06.26 | Nom- | Got the helm and shoulders so far |
| 08:06.28 | Corrodias | i've spent both roles as a druid, so i can't link two different characters >_> |
| 08:06.56 | Nom- | ah nice merciless gladiator |
| 08:07.06 | Nom- | You arena in protection? |
| 08:07.25 | Thunder_Child | *used* to be me...before BC |
| 08:07.28 | Nom- | and what do you find is the best combo |
| 08:07.36 | Nom- | Oh, you don't play that char any more ? |
| 08:07.58 | Thunder_Child | was on my cousins account..when they made a huge hasle to transfer it over, i gave it to him |
| 08:08.06 | Thunder_Child | now he is the MT for our guild |
| 08:08.34 | Thunder_Child | and yes, he does do prot in pvp |
| 08:08.41 | Nom- | i gotta get that Darkmoone card :( |
| 08:08.55 | Thunder_Child | if people are stupid and attack him first, he just laughs at everyone |
| 08:09.09 | Thunder_Child | he can easly solo a war and rogue |
| 08:09.19 | Nom- | so can i...in holy spec :P |
| 08:09.38 | Nom- | altho, it was fun watching warriors and rogues kill themselves in prot spec |
| 08:09.42 | Thunder_Child | he can in prot, he usualy goes in with 15-16k hp |
| 08:10.07 | Nom- | all you have to do to kill a rogue is keep holy shield up, and keep facing them :P |
| 08:10.08 | Thunder_Child | but in 5v's he usualy goes healing |
| 08:10.30 | Thunder_Child | he hits like a chump |
| 08:10.40 | Nom- | warriors are even easier, because they can't stunlock |
| 08:11.26 | Corrodias | i should go to bed. 'ni! |
| 08:11.36 | Nom- | dual wield warriors die so fast on that... i guess that's why everyone is MS these days |
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| 08:11.48 | Thunder_Child | night Corrodias |
| 08:11.50 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 08:12.00 | Thunder_Child | and hello Wraanger |
| 08:12.48 | Thunder_Child | when i stop being lazy and lvl my war up, he will be pve dps, not pvp...will make me sad though i am sure |
| 08:13.51 | Nom- | heh |
| 08:13.58 | Nom- | You know...i had a realisation the other day |
| 08:14.05 | Nom- | I'm doing all this grinding for the gladiator gear |
| 08:14.18 | Nom- | But I don't know *why* i'm grinding it, other than to get MORE pvp gear |
| 08:15.04 | Nom- | I was seriously going to get the shockadin gear, but the more i think about it, the more i think it might be better to get the retribution set instead |
| 08:15.08 | Nom- | At least then I can use it for PvE too |
| 08:15.44 | Nom- | and...how the heck (besides afk farming in AV) do you get the 20+K honor required for each piece of PvP armor ? |
| 08:16.00 | Nom- | Best just to wait for the AV weekends and farm it like crazy? :( |
| 08:16.56 | Thunder_Child | over time |
| 08:17.04 | Thunder_Child | but yes AV weekend is a biggie |
| 08:17.16 | Thunder_Child | sadly it's over blizzcon weekend |
| 08:17.23 | Nom- | ugh...i see some people who say they can get 6K honor per day |
| 08:17.45 | Nom- | I just don't see how... i played like 4 games of AV in a row, and got like less than 1000 |
| 08:18.02 | Thunder_Child | did you win? |
| 08:18.07 | Nom- | I'm horde |
| 08:18.09 | Nom- | What do you think? |
| 08:18.14 | Thunder_Child | see, thats why |
| 08:18.19 | Thunder_Child | play games you can win |
| 08:18.36 | Nom- | We don't win any mroe |
| 08:18.37 | Nom- | At anything |
| 08:18.44 | Nom- | Unless it's a premade with my guild |
| 08:19.04 | Thunder_Child | everything on my battlegroup except for AV is won by horde |
| 08:19.15 | Nom- | Well, we sucked at EOTS this weekend at least |
| 08:19.40 | Nom- | I played a bit on Saturday and we lost 1, won 1 and had a REALLY drawn out win on the other |
| 08:19.43 | Nom- | That was about 700 honor |
| 08:19.49 | Nom- | (for all 3 games) |
| 08:20.21 | Nom- | It's like |
| 08:20.29 | Nom- | Arena is how the casual PvPer gets gear |
| 08:20.37 | Nom- | and battleground gear is for the hardcore plyers |
| 08:21.07 | Nom- | Even though they intended it to be the other way around |
| 08:21.20 | Nom- | I mean, worst case scenario for a 5v5 is 10 losses in a week |
| 08:21.24 | Nom- | You still get 250+ points from that |
| 08:21.37 | Nom- | So 4-5 weeks = first piece of gear |
| 08:21.45 | Nom- | That's what I define as casual PvP :) |
| 08:21.52 | zenzelezz | so, on the way home I see "Alpha & Omega Funeral Service"... I can understand the "omega" part, but the "alpha" seems a bit out of place |
| 08:21.56 | Thunder_Child | yea, that sounds about right to me |
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| 08:22.24 | Thunder_Child | uhhh.begining and end...circle of life, it's a decent name |
| 08:22.29 | Nom- | Actually, I guess that's not quite true though |
| 08:22.41 | Nom- | The battleground gear is for the afk pvpers |
| 08:22.52 | Nom- | arena gear is for the people who are at their keyboards |
| 08:23.13 | Thunder_Child | afkers in pvp really piss me off |
| 08:23.41 | Nom- | I've just given up caring about them actually |
| 08:23.46 | Nom- | I use AV to fix my raid UI |
| 08:23.51 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 08:23.52 | Nom- | That's about all it's good for any more... |
| 08:24.11 | Nom- | i run out of the cave though, so it *looks* like i'm doing something :P |
| 08:24.47 | Nom- | ugh...i better get some arena games tonight |
| 08:25.03 | Nom- | Or i'm going to be pissed...will be the second week in a row i've missed out on arena points coz noone rocks up |
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| 08:38.53 | Nom- | omg i'm such a nub |
| 08:39.03 | Nom- | I just realised why everyone is QQing over BoSac |
| 08:39.08 | Nom- | Coz it breaks CC |
| 08:39.20 | Nom- | Must...use...that...tonight |
| 08:39.40 | zenzelezz | what's Sanc again, taking some of the person's damage? |
| 08:39.48 | Nom- | sacrifice |
| 08:39.53 | Nom- | transfers X damage per hit to you |
| 08:39.54 | zenzelezz | doh, misread |
| 08:40.01 | zenzelezz | but was right anyway o_O |
| 08:40.10 | zenzelezz | how about that |
| 08:40.14 | Nom- | anything that breaks on damage (sheep, sap, etc etc) gets broken when you get damage in from bosac |
| 08:40.26 | zenzelezz | nice |
| 08:40.29 | Thunder_Child | i think the patch is making it so that it will not get you out of a stun |
| 08:40.41 | Nom- | errr no... |
| 08:40.47 | Nom- | i never broke stun |
| 08:40.58 | Nom- | unless it's an ability like gouge |
| 08:41.00 | Nom- | which breaks on damage |
| 08:41.05 | Thunder_Child | bah, no, i was thinking the phys imune pally spell |
| 08:41.14 | Nom- | blessing of protection yea |
| 08:41.19 | Nom- | you can still do it on yourself while stunned |
| 08:41.22 | Nom- | but not on someone else |
| 08:41.25 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 08:41.46 | Nom- | not really a problem tho |
| 08:42.13 | Nom- | In most cases you only get to use either bubble OR protection on yourself |
| 08:42.24 | Nom- | Because it's a 1 minute delay before you can use the other |
| 08:42.36 | Nom- | So you might as well just bubble and then use protection on someone else |
| 08:43.06 | Nom- | If I knew about that blessing of sac thing earlier |
| 08:43.12 | Nom- | There's a few arena matches we would have won : |
| 08:43.13 | Nom- | :/ |
| 08:43.42 | Fin | don't suppose anyone knows of a BLP plugin for Photoshop? |
| 08:44.05 | Nom- | BLP ? |
| 08:44.21 | Fin | it's the (native?) image format used by WoW |
| 08:44.35 | Nom- | I thought it used TGA ? |
| 08:44.40 | zenzelezz | both |
| 08:44.46 | zenzelezz | BLP has some extra features I think |
| 08:45.13 | Nom- | ah its a proprietary format apparently |
| 08:45.22 | Fin | I think it's a custom format developed by Blizzard |
| 08:45.31 | Nom- | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=349893&whichpage=1� |
| 08:45.33 | Nom- | That might help ? |
| 08:46.09 | Nom- | So effectively it's either JPEG or TGA |
| 08:46.36 | Fin | thanks Nom, but I'm after something that will allow me to easily edit BLPs in Photoshop or another common graphics editor |
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| 08:48.40 | Nom- | try this... |
| 08:48.44 | Nom- | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/90/ |
| 08:48.58 | Nom- | Effectively you work with TGA |
| 08:49.12 | Nom- | And you just drag/drop convert |
| 08:49.12 | Fin | and, thanks again Nom, but I already have a converter :) |
| 08:49.28 | Fin | nice of you to look, though |
| 08:49.48 | Nom- | I dunno then |
| 08:49.52 | Fin | I haven't tried that one however, I'll check it out |
| 08:50.06 | Nom- | i don't think i've ever seen something that will let Photoshop directly read/write BLP2 |
| 08:50.39 | Fin | heh |
| 08:50.40 | Fin | "dobe Photoshop is a SUPER DUPER tool. One of the best paint programs EVER. I also thought it was crap one year ago, but now I realized it rocks. So do not insult Photoshop ever again, just because you don't know how to use it." |
| 08:50.44 | Fin | +A |
| 08:52.40 | Fin | sucks when people don't respond to comments and shit about sites |
| 08:52.50 | Fin | bug reports, feature requests, suggestions, and stuff |
| 08:53.26 | Industrial | depends on who people is |
| 08:53.32 | Industrial | maybe they didnt make it themselves |
| 08:53.44 | Fin | why bother asking for feedback if you're just going to ignore it |
| 08:53.46 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:53.49 | Nom- | I know Photoshop is great |
| 08:53.53 | Nom- | I just suck at using it |
| 08:54.18 | Industrial | 2 left hands :P |
| 08:54.30 | Nom- | just not very artistic |
| 08:54.46 | Industrial | me neither and I go to a mediacollege =D |
| 08:54.49 | Nom- | I can write beautiful code |
| 08:54.49 | Fin | I can spend hours (literally hours) and come up with the most horrible stuff ever |
| 08:54.55 | Nom- | But can't draw to save my life |
| 08:55.00 | Industrial | (but im a webmunkey) |
| 08:55.18 | Fin | my homepage is a testament to my ability to fuck up colours schemes |
| 08:55.27 | Fin | (me too) |
| 08:55.42 | Nom- | My brain is literally wired for coding |
| 08:55.54 | Fin | I do *enjoy* fucking up colour schemes every now and again, though! |
| 08:55.55 | Nom- | I can build complex systems from the ground up with no planning that are still actually easy to maintain |
| 08:56.10 | Nom- | But ask my to put a nice GUI on it |
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| 08:56.14 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:56.15 | Nom- | And that's just too much.. |
| 08:56.16 | Fin | build a BLP plugin for Photoshop from the ground up |
| 08:56.30 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:56.39 | Nom- | I'm a Perl/PHP programmer by profession |
| 08:57.00 | Fin | web geek |
| 08:57.00 | Nom- | pretty much |
| 08:57.08 | Nom- | I work for Australia's third largest ISP as a Programmer |
| 08:57.30 | Fin | when I got business cards at my old job, I wanted them to put "Professor of Webnology" on my business cards |
| 08:57.42 | Fin | heh, I thought of that when I was stoned once, it made me laugh for like half an hour |
| 08:57.48 | Nom- | I'm still waiting for my business cards actually |
| 08:57.54 | Nom- | I ordered them like 18 months ago :P |
| 08:58.04 | Fin | I could have a column in the local paper |
| 08:58.09 | Fin | "Ask the Professor" |
| 08:58.31 | Fin | people could write in with their CSS problems and I could write about the importance of EOF characters |
| 08:58.35 | Fin | wicked |
| 08:59.13 | Industrial | Cairenn|afk: ping :D |
| 08:59.51 | zenzelezz | style avalance: using too many cascading style sheets on one page |
| 08:59.55 | zenzelezz | avalanche |
| 09:00.30 | Industrial | hm, theres one thing I always do with css before anything |
| 09:00.32 | zenzelezz | trying to view some sites' styles just makes me QQ |
| 09:00.38 | Industrial | * {margin:0;padding:0;} |
| 09:00.39 | Industrial | heh |
| 09:01.58 | Fin | zenzelezz: is "QQ" one of those little face things? |
| 09:02.22 | zenzelezz | somewhat |
| 09:02.27 | Industrial | its crying eyes |
| 09:02.27 | zenzelezz | two crying eyes |
| 09:02.28 | krka_ | i think it's short for Quivering Qrying |
| 09:02.31 | Fin | oh, OK |
| 09:02.33 | Nom- | CSS is teh bomb |
| 09:02.42 | Nom- | And seriously...there's no such thing as "too much CSS" |
| 09:03.06 | zenzelezz | correct |
| 09:03.09 | zenzelezz | but keep it in one file |
| 09:03.20 | Nom- | That's not necessarily true either though |
| 09:03.38 | Nom- | You might want to offer alternative CSS styles |
| 09:03.43 | Nom- | Which are user selectable |
| 09:03.50 | Nom- | In which case, one stylesheet doesn't cit it |
| 09:03.51 | Nom- | *cut |
| 09:04.05 | zenzelezz | that's a good point |
| 09:04.10 | Industrial | AWAY |
| 09:04.13 | Fin | ! |
| 09:04.13 | zenzelezz | but I don't like non-optional multiple style sheets |
| 09:04.15 | Industrial | damn enter |
| 09:04.15 | Nom- | OWNEDE |
| 09:04.28 | Nom- | Industrial got OWNED |
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| 09:04.36 | Fin | I'm flattered Industrial... how do I put this... it's just, I'm just not that type |
| 09:04.37 | Industrial | keyboard > industrial |
| 09:04.49 | Fin | we can still be friends? |
| 09:05.11 | Nom- | Hmm....that might be bash-worthy |
| 09:07.15 | Industrial | Anyone play LOTRO? I am playing 10day trial |
| 09:07.33 | Nom- | I considered trying it |
| 09:07.45 | Nom- | Then I realised between WoW, work and sleep I don't have enough hours left :) |
| 09:07.58 | Industrial | I wanna play with someone |
| 09:07.59 | Industrial | Fin: ? |
| 09:08.03 | Industrial | heh, JUST KIDDING |
| 09:08.13 | Industrial | but, I do wanna play lotro with someone. |
| 09:08.38 | Industrial | Nom-: if this works out its going to be instead of wow :P |
| 09:09.02 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:09.12 | Nom- | From what i've seen of it so far, it's no WoW killer |
| 09:09.39 | Industrial | it has hot elves |
| 09:09.51 | Industrial | no skinny/jumpy bitches with long elves |
| 09:09.54 | Nom- | uhh hell |
| 09:09.55 | Nom- | Blood Elves |
| 09:10.01 | Industrial | er |
| 09:10.02 | Industrial | ears* |
| 09:10.14 | Nom- | Let's see |
| 09:10.17 | Nom- | Man - Human |
| 09:10.21 | Nom- | Elf - Blood Elf |
| 09:10.31 | Nom- | Hobbit - Gnome |
| 09:10.32 | Industrial | no, blood elves are skinny 17 year olds that twist when they jump. |
| 09:10.35 | Nom- | Dwarf - Dwarf |
| 09:11.05 | Industrial | Nom-: yeah its fantasy. btw the lotro lore is a tad older then warcraft? :P |
| 09:11.15 | Nom- | Yeah...but meh |
| 09:11.36 | Nom- | For me, it all comes down to the raid system |
| 09:11.38 | Nom- | If there is one |
| 09:11.42 | Industrial | all fantasy games have humans elves dwarves and a mix of little/large races |
| 09:11.47 | zenzelezz | Tolkien didn't give it much thought I think |
| 09:11.54 | zenzelezz | raiding wasn't high on his priorities |
| 09:11.58 | Industrial | lol |
| 09:12.08 | Nom- | lol yeah, that'd be the problem for me |
| 09:12.13 | Fin | heh: http://ubergameguides.com/images/glidertrial.jpg (ad for Glider) |
| 09:12.20 | Nom- | If there's no epic raid content like in WoW, then I would't have anything to do |
| 09:12.28 | Nom- | I'm not a huge PvPer (depsite being on a PvP realm) |
| 09:12.36 | Industrial | pvp > * |
| 09:12.48 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:12.51 | Nom- | botting is so lame |
| 09:13.00 | Industrial | ? |
| 09:13.11 | Industrial | especially in teams where you dont have to wait for other people |
| 09:13.26 | Industrial | PWNTRAIN/BUS'es |
| 09:13.47 | Industrial | all hard single hitting classes on a /follow train doing /assist |
| 09:13.56 | Industrial | at least, you can do that in some games |
| 09:14.11 | Industrial | group speed buff on it and gank newbz all around |
| 09:14.12 | Nom- | Star Wars: Galaxies is like that now |
| 09:14.13 | Industrial | ghe ghe |
| 09:14.26 | Nom- | The "raid" content that used to require 20 people can now be done with 2-3 |
| 09:14.47 | Industrial | cant have mmorpg without progression |
| 09:14.51 | Industrial | it loves on expansions |
| 09:14.54 | Industrial | lives* |
| 09:15.08 | Nom- | SWG had two expansions |
| 09:15.16 | Nom- | The first one was fun...added a whole new sub-game |
| 09:15.22 | Nom- | The second one added a new planet which was fun |
| 09:15.29 | Nom- | Then they completely revamped the game |
| 09:15.40 | Nom- | They did that twice actually |
| 09:15.52 | Nom- | There has actually been 3 games all with the same name |
| 09:15.56 | Nom- | Each one superceding the next |
| 09:17.01 | Nom- | SWG1 (Release) - very fun game...kind of wow-like but with no cast times on abilities...would take 20+ people to conquer the high end content |
| 09:17.26 | Industrial | i love the wow engines |
| 09:17.28 | Industrial | -s |
| 09:17.35 | Nom- | Although there was one fun 20 man dungeon there |
| 09:17.38 | Nom- | Which you could solo |
| 09:17.46 | Industrial | how combat works, so direct. its like an FPS |
| 09:18.12 | Industrial | in DAOC you cant cast ever if yo get meelee hit |
| 09:18.16 | Nom- | Because all you had to do was run through the place...you just levelled yourself up as Teras Kasi Master (melee martial arts) with Medic/Doctor (Healing) and you could just heal yourself through the content |
| 09:18.20 | Industrial | ;\ |
| 09:18.46 | Nom- | Then they released Version 2 which was closer to WoW except all the content was nerfed |
| 09:19.01 | Nom- | Content which used to take 15 minutes to complete now took 1 minute |
| 09:19.08 | Nom- | Like Krayt dragons on Tattooine |
| 09:19.34 | Nom- | Was still kind of fun...groups of 5 to 8 could do what used to take 20 people |
| 09:19.50 | Nom- | Then Version 3 came out (about 12 months ago) |
| 09:19.57 | Nom- | And everything can be soloed by any class |
| 09:20.18 | Nom- | The latest version is a pure pvp game pretty much |
| 09:20.23 | Nom- | There's nothing to do besides pvp |
| 09:20.38 | Industrial | group pvp? |
| 09:20.41 | Nom- | And the macro system in it allows you to completley afk a level 1 -> 90 |
| 09:20.47 | Nom- | mostly 1v1 pvp |
| 09:20.49 | Industrial | I love massive pvp. Big fortresses |
| 09:20.50 | Nom- | bounty hunting etc |
| 09:20.57 | Industrial | siege weapons |
| 09:21.03 | Industrial | storming a castle |
| 09:21.07 | Nom- | There used to be big pvp battles back in version 1 |
| 09:21.17 | Industrial | climbing over the walls invisible backstabbing the mages/archers |
| 09:21.23 | Nom- | Imagine 40-80 players grouping up and hitting a town like Mos Eisly |
| 09:21.38 | Industrial | Nom-: thats what DaoC is all about |
| 09:21.47 | Industrial | realm versus realm combat |
| 09:21.56 | Nom- | You'd have epic pvp battles between Imperials and Rebels that lasted hours |
| 09:22.02 | Industrial | :) |
| 09:22.14 | Nom- | No objectives |
| 09:22.16 | Nom- | Just world PvP |
| 09:22.21 | Industrial | meh |
| 09:22.32 | Industrial | its fun to defend and attack a fortress |
| 09:22.46 | Industrial | I still wanna try battle tactics in an mmorpg |
| 09:22.50 | Nom- | Yeah, base takedowns happened a lot tho |
| 09:22.55 | Industrial | instead of hordes of people randomly chasing after oen another |
| 09:23.03 | Nom- | Rebels and Imperials can drop bases |
| 09:23.11 | Industrial | tanks go here, dps goes there, rogues backstab their healers, etc |
| 09:23.15 | Nom- | And the opposing faction has to go into them and set them to self destruct |
| 09:23.46 | Nom- | then towards the end |
| 09:23.58 | Nom- | People started getting legendary drops from various mobs and using them in pvp |
| 09:24.22 | Nom- | There was one weapon in particular i remember, a T21 rifle which has a 700 mind fire DoT on it |
| 09:24.39 | Nom- | You just did a single AoE shot on a group of 20 people, and they would all die |
| 09:24.46 | Industrial | lol. |
| 09:25.04 | Nom- | Or a legendary Jawa Ion Rifle |
| 09:25.09 | Nom- | That hits for 1000+ dmage |
| 09:25.19 | Industrial | Ever played Planetside? |
| 09:25.23 | Nom- | the average player back then had about 3000-4000 mind |
| 09:25.33 | Industrial | its a conquer MMOFPS |
| 09:25.37 | Nom- | So 3-4 head shots was death (there was 3 pools of health to manage) |
| 09:25.57 | Industrial | it was free2play for a while |
| 09:25.59 | Industrial | pretty fun |
| 09:26.03 | Nom- | Yeah, I tried it |
| 09:26.06 | Nom- | Couldn't get into it' |
| 09:26.17 | Industrial | its more fun with a group |
| 09:26.29 | Industrial | all get into a drop plane at once |
| 09:26.31 | Industrial | like 20 people |
| 09:26.42 | Industrial | and parachute drop their maijn quarters |
| 09:26.56 | Industrial | with like a hwole horde outside that cant get throught the defense |
| 09:27.01 | Industrial | and the shields drop |
| 09:27.02 | Industrial | CHAOS |
| 09:27.03 | Industrial | lol |
| 09:27.48 | Industrial | yeah, mmorpg is fun without morons |
| 09:28.12 | Industrial | so um, noone plays LOTRO? |
| 09:28.45 | Nom- | don't look like it :P |
| 09:28.52 | Industrial | :x |
| 09:36.37 | Nom- | <DusK> python is pretty easy to learn |
| 09:36.38 | Nom- | <DusK> you write pseudocode, and you indent it correctly :) |
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| 09:53.26 | Nom- | http://bash.org/?457037 |
| 09:53.36 | Nom- | That's my most favourite bash article ever |
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| 10:51.03 | Industrial | lol Nom- |
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| 11:13.02 | Legorol | Is it just me or the PTRs are cranky? |
| 11:13.28 | Legorol | I get stuck on Retrieving Character List and then boom, disconnected |
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| 11:49.14 | Industrial | >>> function check(foo) if foo then return true end end; if check(false) then print('yay') else print('nay') end |
| 11:49.32 | Industrial | :P |
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| 12:10.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | shoulnd that just return nil and print Nay ? |
| 12:10.39 | Industrial | solved. |
| 12:10.59 | MoonWolf | wait, that was a puzzle |
| 12:11.06 | MoonWolf | make them more complicated then. |
| 12:12.46 | Industrial | omg its a MoonWolf |
| 12:12.55 | MoonWolf | moonwolf is ever watchfull |
| 12:13.02 | Industrial | zeg leef jij nog :P ik heb je al een jaar niet op wowace gezien >_o |
| 12:13.18 | Industrial | ofzo |
| 12:13.20 | Industrial | </dutch> |
| 12:13.31 | MoonWolf | ja hoor, ik praat gewoon niet veel. |
| 12:13.41 | Industrial | ok :> |
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| 12:37.34 | Wraanger | question : can anyone explain me a bit how slash handler works ? to be more precise : i need to make it understand two slash commands for my addon ... |
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| 12:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning suck. Just wanted to confirm that, recently discovered on the PTR.... |
| 12:39.41 | zenzelezz | must refrain from making joke of that first sentence... |
| 12:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | All morning suck. Should be shot. |
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| 12:42.28 | zenzelezz | still sounds dirty to me without the plural "s" on "mornings" |
| 12:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | You put s where you want. Caveman ugh. |
| 12:42.44 | krka_ | agreed |
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| 12:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not crazy, am I? OmniCC only does cooldown on action buttons, it doesn't pop up timer bars and all that whacky stuff.... right? |
| 13:01.35 | leethal | right |
| 13:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Okay... I use it, and I've checked Tuller's page a few times, just to be sure. Just seems there've been a lot of questions on the forums about the bars that come with OmniCC, and I didn't want to give bad info. |
| 13:03.43 | Gnancy | you are in the right there Lopeppeppy |
| 13:04.06 | Gnancy | just read it |
| 13:04.06 | Lopeppeppy | I think Mondays make me paranoid. |
| 13:04.23 | Gnancy | heh poster is prolly thinking of Quartz or something like that |
| 13:04.47 | Lopeppeppy | Or has both OmniCC and a timer-bar-thing, and is getting confused. |
| 13:04.56 | Gnancy | I find when I talk of names of addons people's eyes (that arnt interested) glaze over |
| 13:05.10 | Gnancy | they dont care what the name is they just want it to work |
| 13:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | I can glaze the eyes of even those who ARE interested.... |
| 13:06.02 | Gnancy | nevar! well at least not me. I spend too much time on my guild's site talking about addons |
| 13:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the Tech Geek for my raid group... just selling some of the healers on something to show "out of range" for fights like Gruul is.... interesting work. |
| 13:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Much less the "in range" warnings from the boss mods for Shatter. |
| 13:07.59 | Gnancy | I sold our main healers on grid & perfect raid |
| 13:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | Not a fan of Grid myself... I recommend PerfectRaid and sRaidFrames. |
| 13:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Here's another confused soul, wants to keybind his XPearl. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=675627925&postId=6556390609&sid=1#1 |
| 13:08.53 | Gnancy | I weaseled my way in and now they listen to my suggestions for guild wide addons ..... bwhahhahahah the power |
| 13:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | The power! |
| 13:09.24 | Gnancy | personally i love grid .... but i love perfectraid as well |
| 13:10.36 | Gnancy | see another person that dosent care about names |
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| 13:24.51 | mikma | scarab lord = the one that opens AQ? |
| 13:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like it, but I was not so uber as to take any part in AQ on my server. |
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| 14:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, TS|Skrom. |
| 14:25.58 | TS|Skrom | hihi |
| 14:28.48 | TS|Skrom | Cbeck, it out: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uldum&n=Treston 3 levels this weekend XD |
| 14:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. Someone is motivated. |
| 14:29.45 | TS|Skrom | actually someone was full of rested XD |
| 14:30.09 | TS|Skrom | and someone also wanted a bunch of stuff from ramparts and blood furnace |
| 14:30.36 | TS|Skrom | At one point I had the 2h healing mace, the healing neck, the pally bp, two witching bands and two bands of renewel |
| 14:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | Never hurts. But honey, we have got to get you into some plate mail. |
| 14:30.41 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 14:30.53 | TS|Skrom | all in due time |
| 14:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | It's out there. A lot more so in TBC. You'll find yourself in good plate in no time, or at the very least good mail. |
| 14:31.32 | jme | i got several good green plate drops just from mobs while grinding from 58-60 |
| 14:31.50 | Lopeppeppy | Drops, quest rewards, it's out there. |
| 14:31.52 | TS|Skrom | I don't mind it so much I still mitigate 40% or so, which is more then most priests could |
| 14:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | There comes a time when your armor and stamina will be hugely important though, might as well go for the best you can. |
| 14:33.03 | TS|Skrom | well obviously, I examine every piece as I come across it. so far, that's what I've found hehe |
| 14:33.13 | jme | are you on a pvp server? |
| 14:33.18 | TS|Skrom | nope |
| 14:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 14:33.32 | jme | ok, just wondering... your hp is about 2 shots for a 70 ;) |
| 14:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | Or half an AoE from a boglord.... |
| 14:34.07 | jme | seriously :( |
| 14:34.15 | TS|Skrom | what's a boglord? |
| 14:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | No worries. *grin* |
| 14:34.32 | jme | a mob in underbog, instance in zangermarsh |
| 14:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Underbog, the next tier of instances out in Zangarmarsh. You'll like it there, muchly funsome. |
| 14:34.44 | TS|Skrom | I hope you mean Heroic underbog... |
| 14:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 14:34.53 | TS|Skrom | 8k in a level 64ish instance? |
| 14:34.56 | jme | they're in heroic too, just harder |
| 14:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Teasing, TS? Ha-ha, poke fun? |
| 14:35.14 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 14:35.26 | TS|Skrom | I've been dealing with Shadomoon Technicians all weekened |
| 14:35.39 | TS|Skrom | the thought of pugging with idiots in a zone with 8k aoe's leaves me weeping inside |
| 14:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | Lern2laugh. I think it's like a third teir Protection talent. *blinks innocently* |
| 14:35.56 | jme | Lopeppeppy: you can't blink, rogue! |
| 14:35.58 | Lopeppeppy | I had my bestest Worst Friggin PUG experience this weekend. |
| 14:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Rogue am blink. Ha-ha-ha. |
| 14:36.29 | jme | you haven't had a bad pug experience until you've spent over 7 hours in shadow lab with a pug trying to get your key fragment |
| 14:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | "I'm interested in the Sunken Temple, I have quests to complete there. Will we be doing quests, or just exploring for XP?" |
| 14:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | "Doing the quests anyone has, of course. " |
| 14:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | "Okay, I have the one that starts down in the basement, the Secret of the Circle." |
| 14:37.00 | jme | and yes, i'm speaking from experience there =) |
| 14:37.10 | jme | or typing.. |
| 14:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cat druid tank proceeds to the statues level, dies a lot, and starts to complete the statue activation step.... they don't understand when I leave. |
| 14:37.44 | Lopeppeppy | I spent 2 4 hour runs in a row dying on Time for Fun... oh, I know the pain of a bad Shadow Lab. |
| 14:39.14 | TS|Skrom | regardless of my ac and health atm, I very much like having almost 600 + healing |
| 14:39.18 | TS|Skrom | it's neat and fun |
| 14:39.38 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mind dying a lot, painful as it is, if everyone is trying hard and we're all after the same goal. I just hate when groups say "yes, we're doing quests" and are totally lying about it. |
| 14:39.40 | krka_ | nice Lopeppeppy |
| 14:40.08 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom... I have lots of +heal in plate. Trust me, it's out there. But I know the rush of being able to find good healing gear at last! |
| 14:40.39 | TS|Skrom | I need a new cape :( can't wait til I can do some CR runs. |
| 14:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | CR.... refresh my memory...? |
| 14:41.13 | TS|Skrom | Coilfang Resevoir |
| 14:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | Whitemend isn't all that expensive for accomplished tailors to make. And I do remember getting something good from, well, it would have to be Underbog because no one will go to Slave Pens at all. |
| 14:41.40 | TS|Skrom | I could have said "do some slave pens or underbog" |
| 14:41.46 | TS|Skrom | I was just lumping them together |
| 14:42.12 | TS|Skrom | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24378 |
| 14:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | Underbog is fun stuff. I like the whole walking plants thing, and another Gazhrilla to play with. |
| 14:42.21 | TS|Skrom | now I know someoine will say "just get the expedition hammer" |
| 14:42.27 | TS|Skrom | and I say "I'm cheap" |
| 14:42.55 | Lopeppeppy | No... get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25759 |
| 14:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | That held me until I got ahold of the Essence Focuser at 70. |
| 14:43.18 | TS|Skrom | Requires level 65 |
| 14:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | That's two levels, TS|Skrom. You'll get there quite fast at your rate! |
| 14:44.00 | TS|Skrom | actually I'm shelving him for a couple weeks. Time to switch back to the lock |
| 14:44.37 | TS|Skrom | and I only got 3 levels because I had 150% rested and a ton of quests waiting for me to hit honored lol |
| 14:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | You'll get there in time, I'm sure. |
| 14:47.27 | TS|Skrom | I need to go work on my epic mount sometime too XD |
| 14:47.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. |
| 14:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | Land mount, or air? |
| 14:47.56 | TS|Skrom | land |
| 14:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Cash mounts up pretty fast, no pun intended. |
| 14:51.02 | Gnancy | Lopeppeppy: that pun was good ... you should intend it! |
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| 14:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. My mate is the punster, drives me nuts with it. |
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| 14:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'm actually thinking of retiring my paladin from raiding... my raid group has gotten manic about buff micro-management, and it's really getting annoying. |
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| 15:06.31 | jme | Lopeppeppy: find yourself a casual guild that doesn't micromanage? |
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| 15:07.20 | End | I'm curious what Lopeppeppy means by micro-management |
| 15:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a guild group, it's a cross-guild conglomeration. One of only two on the server that I know of. We're so relaxed and fun right until it comes to paladin buffs. Then whammo... instant bitch fest. |
| 15:07.36 | End | I mean, I get bitchy when I don't get salv :P |
| 15:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's things like... 3 paladins, 5 different buffs requested for druids. And then people get bitchy when their 5 minute buff wears off. |
| 15:08.17 | Josh_Borke | just take a break until 2.2 |
| 15:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Or if there's not a paladin with Kings in the raid, the whole world comes to a screeching halt. "We planned this encounter for having Kings. Why didn't you train it?" ..... Talent, not trainer. |
| 15:09.02 | End | haha |
| 15:09.12 | End | sometimes we have to raid without fort :( |
| 15:09.19 | End | that's right, not even a shadow priest in the raid! |
| 15:09.21 | End | :( |
| 15:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. Crap happens, so get over your buffing fixation and get better gear, peeps. |
| 15:09.47 | zenzelezz | End: not a requirement depending on the raid in question |
| 15:09.58 | End | yes, but I love me some shadow priests! |
| 15:10.00 | zenzelezz | we did Netherspite fine with 0 priests, no shadow protection or fortitude |
| 15:10.08 | End | <--- plays a warlock |
| 15:10.11 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 15:10.20 | End | honestly, the fort isn't -that- big a deal |
| 15:10.33 | zenzelezz | it's nice, but not essential for a lot of things |
| 15:10.37 | End | I think our first VR kill last week was without a priest :P |
| 15:10.44 | End | not that I needed a shadow priest there specifically |
| 15:10.47 | zenzelezz | you killed him several times last week? |
| 15:11.05 | End | just because it's only... |
| 15:11.09 | Josh_Borke | their first successful kill of him perhaps? |
| 15:11.10 | End | doesn't mean it can't be first :P |
| 15:11.19 | zenzelezz | our main problem on Void Reaver seems to be melee dying |
| 15:11.37 | End | I have VR, threat is so annoying |
| 15:11.45 | End | hate* |
| 15:11.46 | zenzelezz | I sort of like him |
| 15:11.51 | Josh_Borke | i'd hate to be a SPriest on that fight |
| 15:11.53 | zenzelezz | it's epeen++ to hold him for 25% straight |
| 15:11.57 | End | the dodging orbs part is kinda cool |
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| 15:12.06 | End | oh yeah, we did have a shadow priest! |
| 15:12.31 | End | we had him stop using vampiric embrace |
| 15:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | Still working on Gruul ourselves, and getting our second group into the back end of Kara. |
| 15:14.38 | zenzelezz | No more. |
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| 15:14.46 | End | No more? |
| 15:14.50 | zenzelezz | Gruul |
| 15:14.54 | zenzelezz | "No more." |
| 15:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty much my feeling, zenzelezz, about Kara. If we get out of there, this will all just... go away. |
| 15:15.24 | End | personally, I don't need kara anymore, but some of my guildies still do :( |
| 15:15.55 | zenzelezz | I still need the chest from Nightbane |
| 15:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | We'll still need it for attunement to higher instances, but it will be nice to get this whole 10-man bottleneck done and over. |
| 15:17.15 | zenzelezz | attunement? |
| 15:17.18 | End | SSC doesn't require attunement anymore... |
| 15:17.33 | End | (and TK's attunement never had anything to do with kara anyways...) |
| 15:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | There was something that you had to go through Karazhan in order to achieve. I forget what, because I never really did know. |
| 15:18.06 | zenzelezz | SSC |
| 15:18.10 | zenzelezz | but they removed that a while ago |
| 15:18.13 | End | you used to have to do Kara to do SSC |
| 15:18.23 | End | you needed a drop off of Nightbane and Gruul |
| 15:18.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Even more neat, that we only "need" it for gear. |
| 15:18.45 | End | you can still do the quest if you want of course, but it's not required anymore :P |
| 15:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, quests are nice to do, I'm sure, but if not required.... oiy. |
| 15:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | I hate Kara with a passion due to the roster squabbles and the whole buff-micro-management thing. |
| 15:20.05 | zenzelezz | don't even need to do the heroics for TK anymore |
| 15:20.22 | End | I think the TK heroics slowed people down more than the SSC quest |
| 15:20.47 | zenzelezz | mostly the SH one |
| 15:20.50 | End | yea |
| 15:21.18 | zenzelezz | that place still makes me QQ on heroic |
| 15:21.30 | zenzelezz | don't know if it's me or my groups |
| 15:21.46 | End | I've never completed it on heroic...only ever went far enough for the summon nightbane quest |
| 15:22.02 | End | I'd like to complete it at some point, but feh |
| 15:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | And now our leaders are dragging us into Magtheridon when we can't even finish Gruul.... aargle. Plan ahead, ya, but finish what you start. |
| 15:22.22 | End | Do Gruul first, heh |
| 15:22.58 | End | Magtheridon takes a lot more coordination, Gruul is just a gear check with a "oh noes spread out" component |
| 15:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | And we can't get half of our members into Gruul's because they don't have sturdy enough gear... *tearing out hair* |
| 15:23.34 | zenzelezz | I completed heroic SH twice, but both times was me in a group with four people who clear SSC+TK |
| 15:24.00 | End | heh |
| 15:24.33 | zenzelezz | healer was a paladin; on Kargath I ask "how do we handle adds?" "Ignore them, I'll tank them" |
| 15:25.04 | End | I don't think that'd really work with any other healing class o_O |
| 15:25.10 | End | a priest could fear I guess |
| 15:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | I like being a paladin tanky-healer... It helps a lot when healing less-than-stellar tanks, that I can gather a mob or two and still heal. |
| 15:26.52 | End | a shaman could probably use his earth elemental |
| 15:26.56 | End | I dunno what a druid would do |
| 15:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Barkskin and hope. |
| 15:27.31 | End | haha |
| 15:27.35 | End | yeah, I guess |
| 15:28.14 | End | That was why I hated healing on my druid in five mans when I still played him. |
| 15:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | You can drop to bear, but the healing stops. So all you really have is Barkskin and hope the tank picks them up fast. |
| 15:32.08 | End | yeah |
| 15:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'm looking forward to respeccing my druid when I get the chance. She's our mid-level tank right now, but I really did create her to try out druid healing. |
| 15:34.02 | End | I never got a hang of tree form...I was always more into Healing Touch on my druid |
| 15:34.33 | End | (although, I suppose tree form is better for raid support than anything else) |
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| 15:35.10 | TS|Skrom | imo tree form is good for one thing: making other healers better :-/ |
| 15:35.25 | TS|Skrom | damage comes too fast in most places for a treeform to do much more then top off |
| 15:35.31 | End | yea |
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| 15:39.09 | Lopeppeppy | I love having a tree in my paladin's party... whee! |
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| 15:54.26 | jme | http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/07/bunker1.jpg |
| 15:54.37 | jme | i am going to turn my bedroom in my apt into that |
| 15:55.52 | Lopeppeppy | Drink lots of milk, because there's no vitamin D coming in the sunlight there. |
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| 16:02.45 | cogwheel|away | don't use milk for vitamin D... The only reason D is put in milk is because your body can't absorb the milk's calcium otherwise, and most of it gets used up by the milk itself... |
| 16:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | Something has to make up for the lack of sunshine in a cave... gnaw some bones. |
| 16:03.33 | cogwheel|away | meh... What do you need bones for if you live in a place like that? :P |
| 16:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel.... nevermind. *wink* |
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| 16:04.49 | art3mis | looks likethe typical nerd basement to me |
| 16:05.06 | art3mis | thats what they look like after you clean up the pizza boxes and mountain dew cans |
| 16:05.30 | jme | :o |
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| 16:13.10 | Lopeppeppy | You clean up your Mountain Dew cans?!? |
| 16:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | Actually, I need to shovel out the apartment tonight, after having a 10 year old visitor all weekend. Yeeks, it's a hovel. |
| 16:13.36 | TS|Skrom | do fist weapons use unarmed skill or is there an actual "fist weapons" 0/300 skill? |
| 16:13.50 | [dRaCo] | unarmed |
| 16:14.01 | Industrial | Cairenn: ping |
| 16:14.07 | Cairenn | Industrial: pong |
| 16:14.12 | Kyahx | pang! |
| 16:15.18 | art3mis | growing up the guy who's house used to play d&d had roughly 13000 jolt cans in this huge wall |
| 16:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | My cat would have those knocked down in a heartbeat. |
| 16:15.54 | art3mis | oddly his dog cat and brother never did |
| 16:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Super glue!!! |
| 16:27.37 | Pac2722 | hey can any1 tell me wat the nods called that holds the info there u find herbs & stuff like that thnx? |
| 16:28.10 | N|Tivoli | cartographer or gatherer |
| 16:28.46 | Pac2722 | thnx |
| 16:29.15 | TS|Skrom | deltron ping |
| 16:30.01 | deltron | yo |
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| 16:50.55 | Industrial | Cairenn: Eliasis, Guardian of Ered Luin |
| 16:50.56 | Industrial | :-) |
| 16:51.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:53.29 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wheee! |
| 16:54.33 | Kyahx | wow that's annoying, the ubuntu GUI installer dosen't check to see if the partition your installing to actually *has* enough space for the OS, and it fails silently if you run out of space |
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| 16:55.29 | zenzelezz | that's sort of... 30 years ago for an installer |
| 16:55.38 | Kyahx | yea, I was surprised =/ |
| 16:55.57 | N00bZXI | Question: How would I get the first value in a table? |
| 16:56.24 | Kyahx | How is your table indexed? |
| 16:56.51 | N00bZXI | I mean for example I have a table {[3] = true, [4] = true} - I want it to return 3 |
| 16:57.04 | Kyahx | can't you just get table[3] ? |
| 16:57.30 | N00bZXI | Not if the table is {[2] = true, [4] = true} (in this case I'd like it to return 2) |
| 16:58.59 | Kyahx | for k,v in pairs(table) |
| 16:58.59 | Kyahx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.59 | Kyahx | end |
| 16:59.06 | Kyahx | is best I can think of =/ |
| 16:59.16 | Industrial | onoz my first death |
| 16:59.20 | Industrial | i got mobbed and rooted :( |
| 16:59.44 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 17:00.45 | Gngsk | time to start over |
| 17:00.47 | N00bZXI | kyahx: Thanks |
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| 17:15.49 | Cairenn | never ever bother with the first-line people for CS, always go up at least one level to the supervisor |
| 17:16.06 | Kirov | CS? |
| 17:16.12 | Cairenn | front-line phone answerers can't do squat |
| 17:16.15 | zenzelezz | customer service |
| 17:16.16 | Cairenn | customer service |
| 17:16.21 | Cairenn | jink! |
| 17:16.39 | zenzelezz | too slow! |
| 17:16.45 | Cairenn | hhehehe |
| 17:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on the business, some front line can fix, some can't. But overall, you are in the Zone of Correct Speakingness. |
| 17:17.30 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:17.41 | Cairenn | sample conversation: |
| 17:17.50 | zenzelezz | I find it depends entirely who you get to talk to |
| 17:17.56 | zenzelezz | some are experts, some are nubs |
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| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | "You guys changed YOUR network, so I had to change my cell phone - I have two problems:" |
| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | 1. you charged me for the privilege of the new phones themselves, plus an administration fee to activate them - I want that reversed |
| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | 2. my old phones had call display, my new phones don't, I want it back |
| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | "But ma'am, the only way you can have call display is if you pay for it" |
| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | "I already had it, why do I have to pay again for it" |
| 17:20.06 | Cairenn | "Well, why would you get to have it without paying for it" |
| 17:20.14 | Cairenn | "I. Already. Had. It." |
| 17:20.39 | Cairenn | "Tell you what, just let me talk to your supervisor" |
| 17:24.53 | End | N00bZXI: actually, you don't even need a for loop. Just use next() |
| 17:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Wish that worked for conversations like Cairenn's. *hug* |
| 17:25.14 | End | local _,val = next(x) |
| 17:25.22 | N00bZXI | End: That's what I was using, but it returns the last value added, not the first value |
| 17:25.30 | End | then pairs() won't help you |
| 17:25.46 | End | (either) |
| 17:26.14 | End | although |
| 17:26.20 | N00bZXI | Pairs seems to be working fine atm (local function to loop and return first value) |
| 17:26.32 | End | it's not that it returns the last value |
| 17:26.50 | End | it's just that it isn't the first value in the hash |
| 17:27.14 | End | The actual functionality of pairs would mean next would have the exact same behavior :P |
| 17:27.32 | End | either both work or neither works |
| 17:27.43 | N00bZXI | then I must be missing something |
| 17:27.55 | N00bZXI | pairs works, next doesn't |
| 17:27.56 | Cairenn | Supervisor: "You're right, both of those were a mix up on our end, we're sorry, here, let me fix it for you" |
| 17:28.32 | Cairenn | me, inside voice: "no shit, sherlock" |
| 17:28.36 | End | pairs(table) essentially returns next, table, nil |
| 17:29.22 | End | >>> x = {} print(pairs(x)) |
| 17:29.28 | Cide | End: function: 007C18C0, { } (#1), nil |
| 17:29.38 | End | >>> print(next) |
| 17:29.38 | Cide | End: function: 00976BF0 |
| 17:29.54 | End | hrm... |
| 17:30.04 | End | maybe I'm wrong :P |
| 17:30.09 | End | >>> print(pairs) |
| 17:30.09 | Cide | End: function: 007C1F18 |
| 17:30.52 | Lopeppeppy | No Shit Sherlock is.... so very, very common, and so frustrating to run into. |
| 17:30.55 | N00bZXI | then I really must be missing something |
| 17:31.47 | End | well, I'm not sure what pairs is using for the iterator |
| 17:31.58 | End | I thought it was just next |
| 17:32.09 | N00bZXI | t={[2]=true, [4]=true} for k,v in pairs(t) do return k end --returns 2. next(t) --returns 4 |
| 17:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | I get the most interesting symbols showing in posted code sometimes.... |
| 17:33.26 | N00bZXI | doesn't make sense to me |
| 17:33.43 | N00bZXI | next(t) seems to return either value |
| 17:33.55 | End | well, keep in mind next() returns key, value |
| 17:34.40 | End | (I have a theory) |
| 17:35.18 | End | ok |
| 17:35.26 | End | well, they're consistantly giving the same result for me |
| 17:35.31 | End | next and pairs I mean |
| 17:36.02 | End | I tried t ={[4] = 5, [7] = 4, [9] = 10, [11] = 111, [12] = 113} and both gave 12 instead of 4 |
| 17:36.38 | End | The short answer is "that's how hash tables work" |
| 17:37.12 | End | never rely on how hash tables are ordered |
| 17:37.36 | End | (and keep in mind, lua tables are hash tables and arrays) |
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| 17:40.55 | Cairenn | OT: art3mis and I are planning on trying to hook up while I'm in NYC from 2359 mon 6 aug to 1500 fri 10 aug - if there is anyone else around that neck of the woods that would like to try to coordinate something |
| 17:40.56 | Fin | could anybody give me any hints on: how do I make a frame respond to having another frame dragged on top of it? |
| 17:41.30 | Kirov | Fin - any frame? |
| 17:42.00 | Fin | Kirov: well, no, there will be a type of frame with some known attributes |
| 17:42.16 | Fin | Kirov: but I can't control the frames that will be dragged onto my frame |
| 17:42.20 | End | when OnDragStop gets called on the moving frame check compare the positions? |
| 17:42.23 | End | ah |
| 17:42.25 | End | that hurts you I think |
| 17:42.41 | Cide | End: it does just use next |
| 17:42.42 | N00bZXI | hmm |
| 17:42.44 | N00bZXI | strange |
| 17:42.50 | End | Cide: that's what I thought |
| 17:43.01 | Cide | End: but since it's separate lua sessions, you get different memory addresses |
| 17:43.10 | Fin | I did not understand what was just said |
| 17:43.10 | Cide | >>> pairs() == next |
| 17:43.10 | Cide | Cide: [string "return pairs() == next"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got no value) |
| 17:43.10 | End | I tried using my single lua session though |
| 17:43.12 | End | locally |
| 17:43.22 | Cide | >>> pairs({}) == next |
| 17:43.22 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 17:43.24 | Cide | hrm |
| 17:43.27 | End | see! |
| 17:43.28 | N00bZXI | next({[1]=true,[2]=true,[3]=true}) returns 1, but next({[4]=true,[5]=true} returns 5 |
| 17:43.34 | Cide | well, it might not be the same internal function |
| 17:43.38 | Cide | but it has the same behavior |
| 17:43.39 | Kirov | Fin - So, you're dragging default wow frames, or frames you own, but will be locked in combat? |
| 17:43.41 | End | yeah, funcionally it is the same |
| 17:43.55 | Fin | Kirov: specifically, it's FuBar plugins |
| 17:43.58 | End | N00bZXI: first is array, second is hash table maybe? |
| 17:44.07 | Cide | >>> function pairs(t) return next, t; end for key, value in pairs({ "foo", ["bar"] = "baz" }) do print(key .. " = " .. value); end |
| 17:44.08 | Cide | Cide: "1 = foo", "bar = baz" |
| 17:44.11 | End | I dunno if it automatically does arrays though? |
| 17:44.16 | End | for [blah] I mean |
| 17:44.20 | End | but either way |
| 17:44.29 | Fin | Kirov: this is probably quite complicated (but might be quite simple, I think (hope)) - I want to make a fubar plugin that eats other fubar plugins |
| 17:44.30 | End | hash tables aren't ordered in a useful way to the programmer :P |
| 17:44.39 | End | s/programmer/user/ |
| 17:44.42 | Cide | yep |
| 17:44.55 | N00bZXI | yet for k,v in pairs{[4]=true,[5]=true} do return k end --returns 4 |
| 17:45.00 | Fin | Kirov: I want to be able to drag plugins to this one, and it'll hide the entry in the fubar, and add an entry to the menu |
| 17:45.05 | Cide | >>> next({ [1] = 1, [2] = 2, [3] = 3, [4] = 4, [5] = 5, [6] = 6, [7] = 7, [8] = 8, [9] = 9 }) |
| 17:45.05 | Cide | Cide: 6, 6 |
| 17:45.24 | Cide | don't use [...] syntax if you want an array |
| 17:45.41 | Cide | "[#] = ..." syntax, that is |
| 17:46.20 | End | perhaps {nil, nil, 3, 4, 5, 6} might do what N00bZXI wants? |
| 17:46.26 | Cide | it might |
| 17:46.42 | Kirov | Fin - ah. I don't know Fubar's back end well enough to know how it handles dragging. However you could probably hook whatever function is called on drag end and check if the location is over your plugin's frame. |
| 17:46.52 | Cide | but if you add too many holes, it doesn't use the array part anymore (iirc) |
| 17:47.10 | End | ah, well, I'm not too sure of its behavior there :P |
| 17:47.24 | Kirov | {nil, nil, 3, 4, 5, 6} == hash |
| 17:47.24 | Fin | Kirov: thanks muchly |
| 17:47.24 | Cide | >>> t = { "foo" ,"bar" }; for i = 1, 3, 1 do tinsert(t, 1, nil); end return next(t) |
| 17:47.25 | Cide | Cide: 5, "bar" |
| 17:47.44 | Kirov | At the very least the first entry needs to be 1 for it to be an array |
| 17:48.08 | N00bZXI | well that explains why it behaves differently depending on if 1 is nil or not |
| 17:48.15 | N00bZXI | I guess I'll change it to use true/false instead of true/nil |
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| 17:48.31 | Kirov | {1,nil,2} should still work as an array |
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| 17:48.52 | N00bZXI | but {nil,2,3} shouldn't? |
| 17:48.55 | Kirov | Though it'll probably be unhappy if you try to iterate over it past 1 |
| 17:49.06 | Kirov | N00bZXI - correct |
| 17:49.25 | End | well, ipairs wouldn't be useful |
| 17:49.27 | Fin | Kirov: OnReceiveDrag is going to help, I think |
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| 17:49.45 | Cide | is there any reason you need to have holes in it? |
| 17:49.47 | End | if you use nil I mean |
| 17:49.50 | N00bZXI | yep, explains why it behaves differently depending on if 1 is nil or not.. |
| 17:50.02 | Cide | you should either rethink it, or use for i = 1, table.maxn(tbl) do ... end |
| 17:50.04 | Kirov | Fin - It depends on how fubar does it's dragging, but conceivabley yes |
| 17:50.13 | Antiarc|Work | t = {nil, nil, 1, 2, 3} |
| 17:50.17 | Cide | s/rethink/restructure/ |
| 17:50.17 | Antiarc|Work | #t == 5 |
| 17:50.28 | Cide | Antiarc|Work: but not guaranteed to be, afaik |
| 17:50.33 | Antiarc|Work | Oh? |
| 17:51.29 | Cide | If the array has "holes" (that is, nil values between other non-nil values), then #t may be any of the indices that directly precedes a nil value (that is, it may consider any such nil value as the end of the array). |
| 17:51.38 | N00bZXI | either way I'd have to make another function to get the first true value |
| 17:51.44 | Cide | The length of a table t is defined to be any integer index n such that t[n] is not nil and t[n+1] is nil; moreover, if t[1] is nil, n may be zero. |
| 17:51.48 | N00bZXI | because next would return 1,false |
| 17:51.58 | Kirov | If I remember correctly, #{1,nil,3} == 3, but #{1,nil,3,4,nil,5} == 4 |
| 17:51.59 | Josh_Borke | >>> t = {nil, nil, 1 , 2, 3} print(#t) t={1, nil, 1, 2, 3} print(#t) |
| 17:52.00 | Cide | Josh_Borke: 5, 5 |
| 17:52.12 | Josh_Borke | >>> t = {nil, nil, 1 , 2, 3} print(#t) t={1, nil, 1, 2, 3, nil, 5} print(#t) |
| 17:52.12 | Cide | Josh_Borke: 5, 7 |
| 17:52.18 | Cide | don't rely on # if you have holes, period |
| 17:52.21 | Josh_Borke | >>> t = {nil, nil, 1 , 2, 3} print(#t) t={1, nil, 1, nil, 3, nil, 5} print(#t) |
| 17:52.21 | Cide | Josh_Borke: 5, 7 |
| 17:52.22 | Cide | use table.maxn |
| 17:52.37 | End | well |
| 17:52.39 | Cide | (or redesign your table structure) |
| 17:52.45 | Josh_Borke | either way, holes are bad, mmkay? |
| 17:52.56 | Cide | you can also keep an index of your own, using tbl._n or such |
| 17:53.34 | End | {nil, nil, nil} would definitely make # think you have an empty array at least :P |
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| 17:57.29 | N00bZXI | well if I change it to true/false, I still have to make another function to get the first true value in the table |
| 17:57.37 | N00bZXI | which was what I was hoping to avoid by making it true/nil |
| 17:58.29 | N00bZXI | I guess it's best I do it this way |
| 17:58.53 | N00bZXI | no unexpected results |
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| 18:02.30 | End | well, I can verify holes are bad |
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| 18:02.56 | zenzelezz | depends on the hole |
| 18:03.00 | End | yes |
| 18:03.29 | Lopeppeppy | My, nice that we're having weather!! |
| 18:04.05 | End | my smallest hole it hated was 16 elements |
| 18:04.42 | Cide | can't really rely on that number either :) |
| 18:04.55 | End | well, that's an implementation detail :P |
| 18:05.04 | Cide | yeah, but the lua manual explicitly says that # is unreliable with holes |
| 18:05.06 | End | you really wouldn't want to rely on it :P |
| 18:05.09 | End | yeah |
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| 18:06.23 | End | hmmmm |
| 18:07.16 | End | I wonder if it's trying to minimize memory usage (hash size vs. array sizde) |
| 18:07.35 | End | (I suppose I could just read the source) |
| 18:09.22 | End | "The actual size of the array is the largest `n' such that at least half the slots between 0 and n are in use." |
| 18:09.53 | End | My curiousity has been fulfilled now. Back to work. |
| 18:10.18 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck with that, End. |
| 18:10.23 | End | work? |
| 18:10.23 | End | heh |
| 18:10.50 | N00bZXI | Question#2: How do I make a secure actionbutton only cast while out of combat? |
| 18:11.16 | Cide | disable it on P_R_D |
| 18:11.54 | N00bZXI | Wouldn't you be in combat then and that would prevent you from modifying it though? |
| 18:12.10 | Cide | the lockdown goes in effect right after PRD and right before PRE |
| 18:12.26 | N00bZXI | ah |
| 18:12.31 | Cide | err, and ends* right before PRE |
| 18:15.41 | N00bZXI | thanks :) |
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| 18:46.17 | zenzelezz | hrmf, CVAR_UPDATE seems to not fire for most setting changes |
| 18:47.33 | zenzelezz | my guild uses some DKP addon for CTRA, and it keeps disabling my auto-clear AFK setting |
| 18:48.08 | Cide | CTRA? or the DKP addon |
| 18:49.00 | zenzelezz | I believe it's the DKP addon, never had troubles with it before, although I think it does it through some CTRA function |
| 18:49.19 | TS|Skrom | I'm guessing no, but does the "50% chance to deal double damage" on gore trigger abilities that happen when pets crit? |
| 18:49.28 | TS|Skrom | only if the gore also crits, yes? |
| 18:50.17 | Cide | I'd imagine it'd work if the "50% chance for 2x damage" is in reality a "50% chance to crit" |
| 18:50.27 | Cide | if it simply doubles the damage, no, it wouldn't work |
| 18:50.31 | TS|Skrom | I don't think that's the case though |
| 18:50.43 | TS|Skrom | because I recall someone in here saying that theire gore did doulbe damage AND crit |
| 18:50.47 | TS|Skrom | so 4x |
| 18:50.54 | Cide | you'd need "Foo's Gore crits Bar for xyz." |
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| 18:59.06 | Kaso | i second TS|Skrom's 4x damage possibiliy |
| 19:00.05 | zenzelezz | anyway, returning to what I was saying, is there any way to monitor settings like autoClearAFK when the CVAR_UPDATE doesn't fire? |
| 19:01.32 | N00bZXI | hook whatever changes the cvars? |
| 19:02.12 | art3mis | man these ice pops are awesome |
| 19:02.12 | art3mis | they have this thing in em called ice forming protien |
| 19:02.34 | art3mis | so it never drips without contact with something other than the stick |
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| 19:04.20 | Cide | I'll bust that myth by heating it up to 1000 degrees C |
| 19:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Then it would be... a steam-pop? New genre even? |
| 19:05.24 | art3mis | its not a myth |
| 19:05.26 | Cide | I smell... revenue |
| 19:05.40 | art3mis | and technically the flame would be incontact thus continuing toprove it correct ;) |
| 19:05.52 | Cide | you don't have to have a flame in order to heat it :P |
| 19:06.13 | art3mis | molecules thrn :) |
| 19:06.17 | kergoth | Anyone happen know a good grind spot, 60+, with mostly caster humanoids? (leveling a pet) |
| 19:06.31 | Cide | actually, light waves do the job just fine |
| 19:06.33 | art3mis | i kind of wanna know what the iceforming protein is though |
| 19:06.51 | Cide | one could argue whether or not they 'touch' though |
| 19:06.55 | art3mis | its kind of rad, if you "melt" it just right on yer tongue you can get it to refreeze to it |
| 19:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | ,,,, I remember that scene, was it from some Christmas movie, getting your tongue stuck to the pole. |
| 19:08.03 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 19:08.09 | art3mis | classic |
| 19:08.20 | Cide | kergoth: hmm, some of the scryer npc camps? |
| 19:08.35 | Cide | the mana forges in netherstorm have mostly caster mobs iirc |
| 19:08.52 | art3mis | you're wrong! |
| 19:09.00 | art3mis | maybe |
| 19:09.02 | kergoth | hmm, thats a good point, there are quite a few there indeed, i'll try that |
| 19:09.04 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:09.28 | Cide | you're welcome :) |
| 19:09.34 | art3mis | you could go to that bone pile in terrok too, lots o casters there as well |
| 19:09.45 | art3mis | that wont instantly kill you if you're not 70 yet ;P |
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| 19:38.19 | Industrial | why cant people guess that when you are in the same hunting area as an archer hes going to hit the next target first and you can walk on to the next? |
| 19:38.28 | Industrial | STOP PICKIN MAH TARGETZ newbz |
| 19:38.31 | Industrial | >_< |
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| 20:43.22 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, every class has a ranged attack |
| 20:44.09 | Cairenn | wrong game Thunder_Child |
| 20:44.23 | Thunder_Child | LoTRO? |
| 20:44.28 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:44.31 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 20:45.21 | zenzelezz | you didn't think he suddenly started calling a hunter "archer"? :-o |
| 20:45.35 | Industrial | oh, its hunter too in lotro heh |
| 20:45.45 | zenzelezz | ok, so he did |
| 20:45.56 | Industrial | Cairenn: can I see coordinates in lotro? :S |
| 20:45.56 | Cairenn | Industrial: btw, were you wanting a guild invite? |
| 20:46.00 | Cairenn | ;loc |
| 20:46.02 | Industrial | yesh :) |
| 20:46.03 | Industrial | ok |
| 20:46.26 | Cairenn | name? |
| 20:53.39 | Industrial | Eliasis :) |
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| 21:05.29 | Josh_Borke | bye bye |
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| 21:31.57 | kergoth | Anyone know if there a way to control the order in which a pet uses its abilities? to control its focus spending? |
| 21:32.53 | Kaso | you used to be able to automatically toggle auto-cast on and off in a dynamic "smart" way to do that, but they nerfed that long ago |
| 21:33.25 | kergoth | bah |
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| 21:40.22 | Shirik | morning all |
| 21:40.54 | zenzelezz | eloh |
| 21:43.58 | cog|work | hey Shirik |
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| 21:45.10 | Wraanger | ehyaz |
| 21:45.12 | Wraanger | heyaz* |
| 21:46.04 | Shirik | holy ow |
| 21:46.10 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:46.19 | Shirik | so that's the last 5 minutes of IRC in a nutshell |
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| 22:07.12 | Shirik | j'ai retourné |
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| 22:15.08 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:16.05 | Shirik | he's afk :( |
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| 22:25.18 | Shirik | this is pathetic.... voting machines "hacked"? |
| 22:25.40 | Shirik | How stupid can people get |
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| 22:27.01 | Kamaris | Does anyone have a link to a mage macro for swapping between a two handed staff and a dagger + offhand with a single button? |
| 22:27.37 | Shirik | why would that have to be specifically for a mage? |
| 22:27.54 | Kamaris | ok, scratch mage :) |
| 22:28.39 | End | I don't have one, but I can't see it being difficult |
| 22:28.52 | Shirik | It's a simple matter of combining [equipped] with /equip and exists on the wow forums |
| 22:29.02 | End | yeah |
| 22:29.16 | End | well, I'm not sure you need exists? |
| 22:30.07 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:30.25 | Shirik | It's a simple matter of combining [equipped] with /equip and it exists on the wow forums |
| 22:30.35 | End | oh |
| 22:30.38 | End | hehe |
| 22:30.45 | mikma | WOWPORN! |
| 22:30.46 | End | that "it" made all the difference |
| 22:30.48 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/nekkid1.jpg http://wow.reaktio.net/nekkid2.jpg |
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| 22:34.01 | Shirik | mikma: Is that you? |
| 22:34.24 | mikma | Shirik: ya |
| 22:34.46 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 22:40.05 | Antiarc|Work | mikma: Someone linked the deprecated tauren hunter pants to you, didn't they? |
| 22:40.30 | mikma | Antiarc|Work: why yes |
| 22:41.51 | Shirik | the what now? |
| 22:43.41 | End | http://thotbott.com/?ccb=1&v=595625 |
| 22:43.43 | End | :-O |
| 22:43.57 | End | probably won't work on most realms though |
| 22:44.19 | End | as servers won't load it normally |
| 22:45.12 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:45.19 | Shirik | thanks for that |
| 22:45.19 | Shirik | I now have the item link |
| 22:49.09 | End | haha wtf |
| 22:49.13 | End | "Cowardly Flight Potion" |
| 22:49.22 | End | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5632 |
| 22:50.33 | End | it looks like it makes you go at +200% speed, and if it actually fairly consitantly points you away from enemies, that could be pretty useful |
| 22:51.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 22:51.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | that reminds me of some arrows i made in oblivion |
| 22:51.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | they paralyzed the target for 5 seconds, which makes them fall over to the side like a statue if they have any momentum or aren't perfectly balanced |
| 22:52.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | then it demoralizes (analogous to fear) and increases their speed by 500% |
| 22:52.17 | End | haha |
| 22:52.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | for 60 seconds |
| 22:52.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they fall over |
| 22:52.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | get up and take off like a missile |
| 22:52.40 | End | those arrows sound a bit..silly :P |
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| 22:55.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=bjrSfM7IucM |
| 22:55.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a vid of the paralyze effect |
| 22:55.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many times did i see monsters run in fear of me to jump off a cliff going 50 mph |
| 22:55.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i shoulda made a spell that had those effects in AoE |
| 22:58.13 | Shirik | I love these morons on my server |
| 22:58.25 | Shirik | Is it really necessary to go to the trade channel and say "Assorted gems and potions on sale now at the AH!" |
| 22:58.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | assorted stuff, no |
| 22:58.53 | Shirik | that's a direct quote |
| 22:59.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if you're linking something people may or may not want but probably won't look for |
| 22:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's good to make some propaganda |
| 22:59.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | "you know you want this [bow of searing arrows]. i mean come on, it shoots arrows made of fire, how could you not want that? get it on the AH before it goes away foreverrrrr" |
| 22:59.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i see it sell in 5 minutes |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | lol |
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| 23:15.27 | Shirik | is there any event that's guaranteed to fire nearing shutdown but before SVs are finalized? |
| 23:19.56 | Wraanger | "PLAYER_QUITING" for instance |
| 23:20.11 | Wraanger | ahh ..no |
| 23:20.19 | Wraanger | you need "PLAYER_LOGOUT" , Shirik |
| 23:20.33 | Wraanger | "Sent when the player logs out or the UI is reloaded, after PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD, but before variables are saved." |
| 23:20.39 | Shirik | iirc, changes to SVs after PLAYER_LOGOUT are not guaranteed to be saved |
| 23:20.44 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 23:20.49 | Shirik | perfect, thank |
| 23:20.56 | Wraanger | welcome |
| 23:21.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Clickety clack down the track, it's lots and lots of trains! |
| 23:21.33 | Shirik | Awesome, now I can have a "Shutdown" event that RDX was lacking before :P |
| 23:21.49 | Wraanger | ;) |
| 23:23.06 | Mike-N-Go | I'm an officer in a newly formed guild, I was wondering how we may implement DKP, and what works for you guys? |
| 23:23.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | what content are you doing? |
| 23:23.56 | Shirik | We've found DKP only causes problems |
| 23:23.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd recommend avoiding it in 10 mans, it just slows you down too much |
| 23:24.05 | Shirik | and have since gone partial random-roll |
| 23:24.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and with the smaller raid sizes random rolls are more useful than they used to be |
| 23:24.40 | Shirik | We use random roll foremost. If anyone has a problem with the winner, they can contact a raid officer and dispute the claim |
| 23:24.43 | Shirik | Essentially, needs first |
| 23:25.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | dkp had its uses in 40 mans |
| 23:25.04 | Shirik | If the raid leads agree, it can be modified. But that almost never happens. It's basically all random roll. |
| 23:25.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | random rolling just took too much time |
| 23:25.13 | Mike-N-Go | We are on normal instances, moving towards Karazhan and Heroics. |
| 23:25.14 | Shirik | We didn't even do it in 40 man |
| 23:25.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but with 10 and 25 mans |
| 23:25.28 | Shirik | Well we did, then when Veni left us we dropped it |
| 23:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's not much of a reason to do it unless you've used it for so long |
| 23:25.59 | Wraanger | DKP is unneeded up to Gruul |
| 23:26.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | people tend to be more closely knit when there's no disputing loot |
| 23:26.16 | Shirik | We're a pretty closely knit group :) |
| 23:26.21 | Shirik | Going on 6 years now |
| 23:26.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | then there's probably not much reason to use dkp |
| 23:26.38 | Shirik | bye Cairenn|afk |
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| 23:27.00 | Cairenn|afk | out for a while, have to go get the car from my folks so I can go pick up my kiddo whenever she calls to say she's home from her canoe trip |
| 23:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe have officers keep track of attendance and use that as one of the factors |
| 23:27.20 | Shirik | at one point I coded a php dkp system |
| 23:27.23 | Shirik | but I doubt I have it anymore |
| 23:27.37 | Shirik | eqdkp is nice aside from its security vulnerabilities |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik | Conspiracy will likely have a DKP system built in |
| 23:28.12 | sysrage | does battlefield 2 have an install disc and a play disc or just an install disc? |
| 23:28.20 | Shirik | both |
| 23:28.22 | Shirik | well, actually 3 cds |
| 23:28.27 | Shirik | and they're all the install CDs |
| 23:28.31 | Shirik | but you have to have it in the drive to play |
| 23:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar |
| 23:28.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | the play disc isn't actually accessed |
| 23:28.41 | Shirik | ya |
| 23:28.42 | sysrage | where the hell did my play disc go then? i only have one that says install disc |
| 23:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just used as a crappy form of copy protection |
| 23:28.45 | Shirik | so you could probably get around it |
| 23:28.49 | Shirik | Just use disk 1 |
| 23:29.04 | sysrage | oh duh this is dvd.. only 1 with dvd version? |
| 23:29.08 | sysrage | haven't played for ages lol |
| 23:29.09 | Shirik | oh, maybe |
| 23:29.13 | Shirik | should just be the same disc though |
| 23:29.19 | sysrage | ok thanks |
| 23:30.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | woohoo |
| 23:30.13 | Shirik | woohoo? |
| 23:30.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | just a rolling restart for my realm tomorrow if all goes as planned |
| 23:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah crap |
| 23:30.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i missed today's kara run |
| 23:30.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i forgot about it completely and got distracted :[ |
| 23:31.07 | Shirik | oh heh |
| 23:31.07 | Shirik | is drenden on the list? |
| 23:31.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | drenden? |
| 23:31.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | aren't you EU? |
| 23:31.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | because drenden doesn't ring any bells |
| 23:31.31 | Shirik | doesn't matter I'll be at work lol |
| 23:31.31 | Shirik | why do I care |
| 23:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | even in lore |
| 23:31.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is drenden :O |
| 23:32.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | Male mage of the Kirin Tor. Appeared in Day of the Dragon and the Road to Damnation mini story. |
| 23:32.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow, what an obscure character to name a realm after |
| 23:32.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's a stub on wowwiki |
| 23:33.13 | Shirik | no, US |
| 23:33.30 | Shirik | I have no idea what drenden is, it's just where a bunch of my friends went |
| 23:33.33 | Shirik | Normally I'm on Eredar |
| 23:33.46 | Shirik | but a bunch of good friends of mine just started playing and then I created Kimina with them |
| 23:33.58 | Shirik | Eredar has a nice large wowwiki article :) |
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| 23:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | llane's pretty important |
| 23:34.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | first king of stormwind and all |
| 23:36.32 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:36.36 | Shirik | Drenden's trade chat is so pathetic |
| 23:36.44 | Shirik | "LF lv 60 to power level me, will pay" |
| 23:36.47 | Shirik | that's about the extent of it |
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| 23:36.51 | Shirik | (Just saw that) |
| 23:37.42 | Shirik | Okay, design question: Do you think it's needed for a "Shutdown" module command? |
| 23:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | what does this command do |
| 23:38.04 | Shirik | i.e., when WoW is shutting down, Conspiracy would send the "Shutdown" command to all modules to request them to finish anything they need to do |
| 23:38.17 | Shirik | Just like it already has the "Init" command when the module should load up |
| 23:38.25 | Cide | possibly |
| 23:38.25 | Shirik | which is typically slightly after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 23:38.35 | Cide | there's not really that much of a reason to |
| 23:38.42 | Cide | some things might be easier but not many |
| 23:38.43 | Shirik | Right, which is why I considered leaving it out |
| 23:38.48 | Shirik | we got by without it before |
| 23:39.01 | Cide | easy to add if you feel the need to later |
| 23:39.30 | Kyahx | Shirik: would you ever need to unload modules mid-game? |
| 23:39.39 | Kyahx | Then a disable func could be useful |
| 23:39.45 | Kyahx | to do some cleanup |
| 23:39.46 | Shirik | On the same note there is minimal reason not to do it; You're not forced to implement any commands in a module |
| 23:39.57 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:40.08 | Shirik | It /would/ allow for unloading I guess |
| 23:40.20 | Kyahx | Why would you be forced to implement any functions? |
| 23:40.37 | Kyahx | If the module doesn't have a Disable func, don't try to trigger it :P |
| 23:41.26 | Shirik | well, yeah, I was just reiterating that :P |
| 23:41.26 | Shirik | In theory one could force a module to implement functions, though it would be a stupid design, imho |
| 23:43.03 | Shirik | I think I'm overthinking this >< |
| 23:44.21 | Cide | I think a good base would be to implement the functions necessary for your current modules to work |
| 23:44.27 | Cide | and start off with that |
| 23:45.07 | Shirik | Problem is I don't have any modules yet >< I have the RDX ones but I want to rewrite them since it will be such a drastic change to the way events are handled, etc. |
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| 23:45.17 | Shirik | Maybe I'll just start with what we had, yeah |
| 23:46.35 | Shirik | thanks :) |
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| 23:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 23:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | What do you think, #wowi-lounge? http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot072707182820me0.jpg what is there left to improve in my UI other than messing around in dogtags for pitbull :O |
| 23:56.26 | Kyahx | UI scale IMO =X |
| 23:56.30 | Kyahx | so big! |
| 23:56.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | big? |
| 23:56.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's at 75% :O |
| 23:56.45 | Kyahx | really? |
| 23:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just about perfect for me |
| 23:57.16 | Kyahx | I'd personally hide the bag / micro menu buttons, but meh |
| 23:57.45 | Wraanger | umm...I , personally, would change ..um.... all ) |
| 23:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | the bag's not always up, but the buttons for them are :o |
| 23:58.01 | Wraanger | starting with hiding menu and micro buttons as Kyahx mentioned |
| 23:58.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ui feels too leftsided |
| 23:58.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | without them |
| 23:58.23 | Wraanger | key B perfectly opens the bags ) |
| 23:58.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | because that's my chat |
| 23:58.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like having them available to open individually when i need to |
| 23:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't need to often |
| 23:59.41 | Wraanger | almost all modern bag mods have individual bags frame available in some way ...attached to main frame of the bag mod |
