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| 00:00.26 | [dRaCo] | would be great to have, though. |
| 00:00.42 | [dRaCo] | someone should poke slouken to add an api call for that. |
| 00:00.58 | Iriel | Why? It's deliberately not there |
| 00:01.12 | [dRaCo] | why? |
| 00:01.15 | Iriel | The whole point of GetItemInfo working the way it does is to NOT provide a mechanism to validate server links |
| 00:01.34 | Iriel | Because blizzard dont want people trying to scan all of the possible item ID's for things they haven't published yet |
| 00:01.44 | [dRaCo] | they do that anyway |
| 00:02.01 | Iriel | True, but it's a real pain in the ass for them |
| 00:02.47 | leethal | is there any ways to get your tradeskill-skills without having to open the tradeskill windows? |
| 00:03.13 | Iriel | leethal: No, but you can make the API calls and block teh window from opening |
| 00:03.26 | leethal | neat |
| 00:03.36 | leethal | it's very, very annoying that enchanting is using a different system, though |
| 00:03.42 | leethal | the craft skills thingie |
| 00:03.46 | [dRaCo] | iriel: should be easily blockable by he server, shouldn't it? |
| 00:04.19 | Iriel | [dRaCo]: I imagine if they cared enough they could lock your account out after N bad links in X minutes |
| 00:05.14 | [dRaCo] | they could just stop you from linking anything that isnt for the public eye yet. |
| 00:05.36 | [dRaCo] | instead of preventing you from linking stuff the server hasn't "seen" yet |
| 00:05.53 | Iriel | In theory those items aren't available on the server, it's only if a GM or somesuch happens to create one that it ends up known to the server |
| 00:06.05 | Iriel | Since 'seen' is "has loaded since last restart" |
| 00:06.11 | Iriel | not "has seen ever in its life" |
| 00:06.13 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 00:06.53 | Adys | a blacklist/whitelist system would be easier to handle in the end, though |
| 00:07.26 | Arrowmaster | like martin thunder |
| 00:07.36 | [dRaCo] | and pretty easy to maintain |
| 00:07.39 | clad|away | easier for you |
| 00:07.41 | leethal | a whitelist would rock. and then just do nothing if the item isn't around on the server, or the item doesn't exist at all |
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| 00:08.01 | Arrowmaster | some gm has it and it only shows up on your server if the gms been there since restart |
| 00:08.13 | [dRaCo] | big db, all IDs, flag them. |
| 00:08.19 | clad|away | i love when you guys pretend you actually _know_ how the servers work, and what makes sense and what doesn't :P |
| 00:08.34 | Adys | Auto whitelist, like the armory's one |
| 00:08.36 | leethal | yeah I really think I know how they work |
| 00:08.44 | clad|away | and what happens when the first Arthas kill stops him from dropping any items because someone forgot to unflag it? |
| 00:08.46 | leethal | I dream about how they work at night |
| 00:08.59 | clad|away | I didn't say "leethal" |
| 00:09.03 | clad|away | intentionally |
| 00:09.09 | clad|away | since you were only expressing how neat a whitelist would be |
| 00:09.20 | [dRaCo] | clad: let a man have his dreams. |
| 00:09.24 | clad|away | nope |
| 00:09.28 | [dRaCo] | mean! |
| 00:09.29 | clad|away | :P |
| 00:09.31 | clad|away | indeed |
| 00:10.06 | [dRaCo] | but why? :/ |
| 00:10.45 | clad|away | principle |
| 00:11.59 | Adys | clad|away: its not any hard to generate a list of available items from the current armory's available items and to unflag a couple of dozens |
| 00:12.55 | clad|away | you assume the databases are anywhere near each other, or that that level of propagation is somehow "easy" in their current structure |
| 00:13.13 | clad|away | i just dislike that on principle |
| 00:13.23 | leethal | mm the armory isn't exactly using the database the game server is using through a real-time connection |
| 00:13.32 | clad|away | making a suggestion is cool, but pretending you know what is or isn't easy for their coders and server techs |
| 00:14.26 | clad|away | not trying to be a dick, just expressing my opinions, and that's something that happens to bother me. When someone says I can do something "easily" when they have no idea of the universe I operate in. |
| 00:14.31 | clad|away | Tell me what you want, and I'll decide how easy it is :P |
| 00:15.00 | Adys | im not pretending anything :P Blizzard's structures are weird enough as it is |
| 00:15.26 | clad|away | you said it would be easy, that's all i was reacting to :P |
| 00:15.46 | Adys | do you think it'd be hard to generate a whitelist? |
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| 00:15.58 | clad|away | I think it has its own unique set of problems |
| 00:16.00 | clad|away | yes |
| 00:16.21 | Adys | its a hour work for a single person, that doesnt work there |
| 00:16.25 | clad|away | and not knowing anything about how their multi-site data centers work, I'm not willing to assume it will be "easy" for them |
| 00:16.37 | clad|away | generating the list isn't the only part of things |
| 00:16.46 | Adys | Yes but thats what Im talking about :P |
| 00:16.53 | clad|away | whats wrong with the current system? |
| 00:16.54 | Adys | Its not like its gonna get implemented is it |
| 00:17.08 | Adys | current system makes it easy to link weird items |
| 00:17.26 | clad|away | I think that's fun, not bad :P |
| 00:17.45 | Adys | lol so do i, but its still a flaw of the system |
| 00:18.00 | Arrowmaster | easy to link weird items? |
| 00:18.01 | clad|away | there'll be a flaw in almost any system |
| 00:18.06 | clad|away | unless Iriel writes it imo |
| 00:18.06 | Arrowmaster | how is that a flaw? |
| 00:18.20 | Adys | martin thunder is right now linkable on 5 european battlegroups and 2 US at least, didnt have the chance to check them all, thats just an example |
| 00:18.33 | Arrowmaster | blame the GMs for that one |
| 00:18.37 | Iriel | I think it's a "tradeoff" more than a flaw |
| 00:18.41 | clad|away | yep |
| 00:18.52 | leethal | martin thunder? |
| 00:19.00 | Arrowmaster | GM item |
| 00:19.02 | Adys | Deprecated Rogue's Vest, Deprecated Tauren Trapper's Pants, Essence of the Firelord DEPRECATED are all three linkable on every server, all the time |
| 00:19.05 | Iriel | simplicity and manageability over complexity and chance for mistakes |
| 00:19.18 | leethal | I don't get GM items heh |
| 00:19.29 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=192 |
| 00:19.33 | leethal | does GM run around in towns bragging about their items? |
| 00:19.36 | clad|away | Adys: So, unequip them from the GMs |
| 00:19.47 | leethal | do they need imba weapons to pwn people, instead of blocking their account? |
| 00:20.18 | Adys | leethal: GM Weapon is just the name given to it, its no use for them |
| 00:20.18 | Arrowmaster | and if a GM was to show up in the middle of town wearing any of that you could possible end up getting everybody nearby disconnected if those items werent linkable |
| 00:20.35 | leethal | and afaik it's pretty common not to let silly stuff out in the wild, such as zones and items that doesn't exist in the public version of the game yet |
| 00:20.42 | clad|away | i suspect they do it, because they can and they have thankless jobs, are relatively underpaid, etc. |
| 00:21.05 | Adys | "relatively" underpaid :P |
| 00:21.16 | Arrowmaster | theres a full set of GM cloths |
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| 00:28.45 | Industrial | nsfw http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/2777 |
| 00:34.19 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha |
| 00:36.37 | pacroon | lol christ |
| 00:37.47 | Industrial | pop |
| 00:56.38 | Thunder_Child | well crap...kinkos cant bind 2000 sheets of paper |
| 00:57.51 | Cairenn|afk | Thunder_Child: you're going to both the supper on sat and disney on sun? |
| 00:58.09 | Thunder_Child | supper yes, i dunno about diseny though |
| 00:58.12 | Cairenn|afk | k |
| 00:58.20 | Cairenn|afk | just trying to get numbers figured out |
| 00:58.32 | Thunder_Child | well, i printed out frameXML but now i cant get it bound :( |
| 00:58.36 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Something witty concerning your hilarious typo! |
| 00:59.04 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, huh? |
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| 01:00.50 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | If you are going to BlizzCon, please respond: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10984 |
| 01:09.18 | sysrage | disney land or world? |
| 01:11.07 | pacroon | WOrld! |
| 01:13.11 | Thunder_Child | hmm..never been to disney world |
| 01:16.28 | Cairenn|afk | the one right across the street from the anaheim convention center |
| 01:17.58 | sysrage | cool |
| 01:18.13 | sysrage | california adventure for teh lose |
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| 01:41.16 | Cairenn|afk | Kaydeethree: hopefully you'll at least be able to come hang out with us for the supper |
| 01:41.26 | Cairenn|afk | how many people from wiki are going to be there? |
| 01:42.37 | Kaydeethree | 3. kirkburn, tusva and me |
| 01:42.54 | Cairenn|afk | so why don't all 3 of you come to supper with us? |
| 01:43.47 | Kaydeethree | we'll see. we've got a dinner meeting penciled in at 6 on saturday, but it's tagged (optional), dunno how optional it actually is, though |
| 01:44.14 | Cairenn|afk | with some other group, or ? |
| 01:44.37 | Kaydeethree | probably with our other wikia contact. dunno if anyone else is supposed to be there |
| 01:44.45 | Cairenn|afk | if it's just the three of you, do it over the course of ours, too - not like the groups don't overlap enough :p |
| 01:45.00 | Cairenn|afk | so drag them along too :p |
| 01:45.04 | Kaydeethree | "Saturday 6PM- Meet in Clarion Hotel Lobby for a Wikia team dinner (Optional)" |
| 01:45.05 | Kaydeethree | true enough |
| 01:45.08 | Cairenn|afk | (options) |
| 01:45.16 | Kaydeethree | I'll poke then when I can get a hold of em |
| 01:46.22 | Cairenn|afk | not trying to force the issue or anything, just presenting options :) |
| 01:46.38 | Kaydeethree | options are good |
| 01:47.16 | Thunder_Child | besides, would be a really cool dinner group |
| 01:48.14 | Thunder_Child | now lets get the blizz dev team to join as well |
| 01:48.55 | Cairenn|afk | we're just trying to firm up numbers to a certain degree, because from the size of the group we're looking at, it wouldn't be fair to just walk into a restaurant and expect them to be able to seat us all without any forewarning |
| 01:49.38 | Cairenn|afk | so we're going to make reservations ... somewhere ... that hasn't been decided yet, but it'll be close, so folks can eat then get to the concert |
| 01:50.57 | Thunder_Child | better make it a place that has options..incase someone is a vegitarian etc. |
| 01:51.50 | clad|away | I only eat people |
| 01:52.05 | Cairenn|afk | well, most restaurants have options :p |
| 01:52.15 | Thunder_Child | canabal options? |
| 01:52.32 | Cairenn|afk | at the very minimum, I've yet to go into one that didn't at least have soup and salad available |
| 01:52.43 | Cairenn|afk | (restaurant, not fast food place) |
| 01:55.22 | Thunder_Child | damn, there goes getting some cat onna' stick |
| 01:57.03 | Cairenn|afk | (9:51:27 PM) clad|away: I only eat people |
| 01:57.14 | clad|away | lol |
| 01:58.02 | clad|away | ;-) |
| 02:06.09 | Thunder_Child | just say it! |
| 02:10.30 | Kaydeethree | raaagh, sleep. 7 hour drives first thing in the morning are pain. |
| 02:12.32 | Cairenn|afk | sweet dreams :) |
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| 02:20.13 | Thrae | I hear Thunder. |
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| 02:27.44 | Thunder_Child | .... |
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| 02:46.42 | dnmcgoy | good evening all, does anyone know if there is a way to keybind to an action button of my own creation, or do I have to reuse a multiaction button |
| 03:01.08 | art3mis | concert? |
| 03:01.42 | art3mis | man now i have they might be giants in my head |
| 03:02.11 | art3mis | not to put to fine a point on it, say im the only bee in yer bonnet, let's make a birdhouse in the sunnn |
| 03:05.48 | Thunder_Child | in your soul |
| 03:05.51 | Thunder_Child | not in the sun |
| 03:05.54 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 03:07.54 | clad|away | its soul |
| 03:07.57 | clad|away | way to eff it up |
| 03:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | a birdhouse in the sun is two in the soul |
| 03:12.03 | art3mis | thanks |
| 03:12.12 | art3mis | ive never actually heard the lyrics fully |
| 03:12.28 | art3mis | im not even sure where i heard that song recently enough to put it in my brain |
| 03:14.16 | clad|away | blue canary in the outlet by the lighthouse, who watches over you, make a little birdhouse in your soul imo |
| 03:14.38 | clad|away | s/lighthouse/light switch/ |
| 03:14.41 | clad|away | that was crack smoking |
| 03:15.37 | Thunder_Child | now i have that bloody song stuck in my head |
| 03:15.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | wearing two toasters for shoes are not a good idea |
| 03:15.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | is |
| 03:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | not a good idea |
| 03:16.19 | art3mis | hah |
| 03:16.25 | art3mis | that was my main goal thunder |
| 03:27.37 | Thunder_Child | >< |
| 03:27.44 | Thunder_Child | ~slap art3mis |
| 03:27.45 | purl | ACTION slaps art3mis, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 03:28.27 | art3mis | heh |
| 03:40.36 | tardmrr | w/nick Tem |
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| 03:45.28 | Cairenn|afk | rofl! a pair of your underwear?!?! |
| 03:47.37 | art3mis | ? |
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| 03:48.46 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
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| 03:49.28 | art3mis | perv! |
| 03:49.46 | Kirov | Next time on "Comments with No Context"... |
| 03:50.27 | art3mis | yeah but as the go that a pretty good one |
| 03:50.33 | clad|away | Cairenn|afk: Again, with the stalking me. |
| 03:50.44 | clad|away | i lourve it |
| 03:50.49 | art3mis | it calls to mind all sorts of "odd" questions that could have lead to that answer |
| 03:50.51 | Cairenn|afk | lol, YOU'RE the one that posted it! |
| 03:52.08 | clad|away | you're the one who stole my underwear last time I was over |
| 03:52.12 | clad|away | if we're throwing accusations out |
| 03:52.14 | clad|away | *hrmph* |
| 03:52.33 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 03:52.38 | art3mis | thats what you get for owning hello kitty boxers clad ;P |
| 03:52.52 | art3mis | you can't tell me you didnt fully expect it |
| 03:53.10 | Wobin | They're irresistible =) |
| 03:53.16 | clad|away | true story! |
| 04:01.12 | Kirov | I'm torn between curiosity and horror |
| 04:04.09 | art3mis | curious because cairenn is involved and horror because clad is? |
| 04:04.57 | Kirov | well, more the horror of clad in hello kitty boxers |
| 04:05.02 | clad|away | ;-) |
| 04:05.04 | clad|away | you loves it |
| 04:06.50 | Garoun|Loupana | that's painful :( |
| 04:07.02 | Garoun|Loupana | Moonrunner just crashed and reset :( |
| 04:07.18 | Garoun|Loupana | taking all of our Illhoof attempts for the night with it |
| 04:07.55 | clad|away | boo |
| 04:07.59 | clad|away | illhoof is a punk |
| 04:08.03 | clad|away | we just dps him away :P |
| 04:08.16 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, we've killed him, it's just been one of 'those' nights |
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| 04:18.59 | Thunder_Child | we did illhoof in 4:33 about an hour ago |
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| 04:48.47 | Thunder_Child | ~blorb |
| 04:48.47 | purl | ACTION blorbs |
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| 05:32.13 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 05:36.37 | Wraanger | night |
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| 14:00.17 | zenzelezz | bah, there's something messy about either Pidgin or the link between me and some person in Australia... messages keep dropping silently |
| 14:00.35 | zenzelezz | I'd like to blame MSN, but I'm not savvy enough to know if they're at fault |
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| 15:06.30 | art3mis | zen: nah thats a pidgin flaw, happens whenn i talk to my wife when shes at work through gmail as well |
| 15:07.08 | zenzelezz | :-/ |
| 15:10.32 | |Jelly| | Will Prat keep you from getting AFK spam? (talking to someone while their AFK tag is up) |
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| 15:17.45 | Shirik | morning all |
| 15:17.52 | |Jelly| | Morning |
| 15:18.17 | art3mis | i think its got a no spam mod yeah |
| 15:18.19 | JoshBorke | morning shirik |
| 15:18.21 | JoshBorke | grats on 70 :-) |
| 15:18.26 | Shirik | hehe thanks |
| 15:18.41 | art3mis | wow you're old ;P |
| 15:18.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 15:19.16 | art3mis | grats on 70 on irc == happy birthday! |
| 15:21.33 | dnmcgoy | This is a repost from wow ace, so I apologize if this is annoying, but I'm currently trying to secureactionbuttons working and I'm seeing behavior I dont' know how to track down. Here's the pasted code (its pretty short) http://wowi.pastey.net/71548 |
| 15:21.58 | dnmcgoy | Basically two things are occuring I don't know how to fix. 1) the spell is attached and if I click on it, it is cast, but its picture isn't shown (it just shows an empty action button) and secondly, when I press the button, it becomes highlighted, but doesn't unhighlight like a normal action button does |
| 15:22.44 | zenzelezz | I don't think it automatically sets the icon when you set the spell; but I could be wrong |
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| 15:23.14 | zenzelezz | and the second is something about whether it's an instant action or not I think, but again I may be wrong. Sounds like "Next melee" anyway |
| 15:23.45 | dnmcgoy | "next melee" is that a setattribute? |
| 15:23.56 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 15:24.00 | Cairenn | hi hi :) |
| 15:24.01 | JoshBorke | dnmcgoy: no, it's a function of the spell |
| 15:24.11 | JoshBorke | dnmcgoy: like Heroic Strike is on next melee |
| 15:24.11 | Shirik | how do you do one of those advanced /who s? |
| 15:24.18 | Shirik | like with name and level |
| 15:25.01 | dnmcgoy | it doesn't matter what spell its on though.. the highlighting remains |
| 15:25.16 | dnmcgoy | until I click it again |
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| 15:25.33 | leethal | Shirik: /who 28 name |
| 15:25.43 | leethal | Shirik: or /who 42 Thousan Needles |
| 15:25.49 | leethal | it does a pretty good job parsing it for ya =) |
| 15:26.14 | dnmcgoy | for instance, I put "Seal of the Crusader" into the action button in question, click the button, highlight changes |
| 15:26.24 | dnmcgoy | Seal of Crusader also goes off |
| 15:27.04 | dnmcgoy | put judgement in and it of course says that I'm not attacking anything, highlight changes though |
| 15:29.08 | |Jelly| | http://www.curse.com/ <-- what the hell is that? |
| 15:29.13 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.45 | JoshBorke | looks like a website to me |
| 15:30.08 | |Jelly| | Wow. |
| 15:30.12 | |Jelly| | No really. I'm amazed. |
| 15:30.32 | JoshBorke | perhaps you're referring to something specific? |
| 15:31.03 | |Jelly| | Yeah. How it's pretty freaking ugly as opposed to last time I went there. |
| 15:31.11 | |Jelly| | ...which wasn't exactly great in the first place. |
| 15:31.19 | Industrial | ugly? |
| 15:31.23 | Industrial | I like it |
| 15:31.24 | JoshBorke | i kinda like the new layout |
| 15:31.28 | Industrial | I like it better |
| 15:31.41 | |Jelly| | Wow. subjective opinion much? |
| 15:32.39 | Industrial | THe looks are great, but I'm a minimalist myself. I like to see as little information that doesnt apply to what I'm doing directly at that time |
| 15:32.54 | Shirik | I think it's ok |
| 15:32.54 | Industrial | (in other words its packed full of bars and dialogs and windows and stuff) |
| 15:33.10 | Shirik | but not great, and imho worse than it was |
| 15:33.16 | Shirik | but w/e, I didn't like the site to begin with |
| 15:33.21 | |Jelly| | They didn't really change that...all the BS is still on the right side of the page and the nav is on the top as opposed to the left. |
| 15:33.29 | |Jelly| | They didn't fix clutter...just rearranged it. lol |
| 15:34.05 | Industrial | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/ <-- Top Contributors totally unneeded |
| 15:34.37 | Industrial | and the big gap because of te wow logo topleft under the curse bar |
| 15:36.55 | krka_ | hm, cant we do global savedvariables anymore? |
| 15:37.01 | krka_ | seems like it's only per account now |
| 15:39.15 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:39.18 | Shirik | it's per account |
| 15:42.15 | |Jelly| | http://www.curse.com/client/ <-- no thanks |
| 15:43.41 | mikma | well i said some days ago that only usable site now is WoWI |
| 15:44.21 | Cairenn | you guys know we'll be changing our look at some point too, right? |
| 15:44.38 | Cairenn | layout will be: http://www.lotrointerface.com/index.php |
| 15:44.58 | Cairenn | (just graphics differences between that and WoWI) |
| 15:45.30 | Cairenn | (aka, same basic layout as now, just slightly updated) |
| 15:46.42 | zenzelezz | bleh, why so many visible borders? |
| 15:47.18 | Cairenn | actually less graphic-intensive than what we've got now |
| 15:47.25 | mikma | Cairenn: that's not bad, compared to where curse has went |
| 15:47.35 | zenzelezz | graphic-intensive how? |
| 15:48.08 | Cairenn | the current site (full edition, not lite mode) has a lot of graphics |
| 15:48.32 | JoshBorke | there are graphics all around the borders |
| 15:48.33 | zenzelezz | I don't generally care if a site has 50 or 0 pictures as long as the end look is nice |
| 15:48.43 | zenzelezz | I prefer websites to look clean and flat |
| 15:48.48 | JoshBorke | yea, but graphics increase bandwidth load |
| 15:48.55 | JoshBorke | i like the potential new look |
| 15:49.02 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 15:49.16 | JoshBorke | i do like the slight graphic between the top tabs in the current one though |
| 15:49.17 | JoshBorke | i'll miss that |
| 15:49.45 | JoshBorke | but it'll be better to have everything on one line i think |
| 15:49.51 | Cairenn | we were trying to come up with a compromise between the full out edition and the light mode - for folks that the full edition lags them to hell and gone |
| 15:50.26 | zenzelezz | my favorite layouts are something like http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=245799 |
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| 16:12.16 | Industrial | Anyone here play lotro? |
| 16:12.23 | Cairenn | <== |
| 16:12.32 | Industrial | :-) |
| 16:13.04 | Industrial | How does it compare to wow? I know ill like the 3d graphics alot better (style and all), but is it as fluid as wow? |
| 16:13.08 | Industrial | like, camera movement and such |
| 16:13.27 | |Jelly| | It plays (IMO) a lot like EQ2, if you ever played that. |
| 16:13.32 | Industrial | No |
| 16:13.47 | zenzelezz | I never liked EQ2's camera/animation "feel" |
| 16:13.50 | Industrial | AO, DaoC, WoW |
| 16:14.01 | Industrial | I love that of wow, at least if you turn auto follow off |
| 16:14.14 | [dRaCo] | lotro sucks, if you ask me. interface looks like the default wow one, but worse. run animations totally suck. |
| 16:14.53 | [dRaCo] | oh yeah... even more Lolgolas guys than on the average wow server. |
| 16:15.05 | zenzelezz | that can't be possible |
| 16:15.09 | [dRaCo] | it is. |
| 16:15.25 | Shirik | lolgolas? |
| 16:15.34 | Industrial | The thing is, I'm not playing wow anymore now and I can get a copy of lotro for 20 euros. |
| 16:15.35 | zenzelezz | LotR-based names |
| 16:15.39 | Industrial | legolas, duh :P |
| 16:15.39 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:15.44 | Shirik | well that's to be expected, no? |
| 16:15.50 | Industrial | yup |
| 16:15.52 | zenzelezz | you stopped playing WoW Industrial? |
| 16:15.56 | [dRaCo] | it is, but I hate it. |
| 16:15.57 | Industrial | are the servers separated into an eu and US version? |
| 16:16.00 | [dRaCo] | totally. |
| 16:16.01 | Cairenn | and if you see one, you are supposed to report it, the GMs will change it |
| 16:16.02 | Industrial | zenzelezz: about a month ago |
| 16:16.07 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 16:16.14 | Industrial | heh -_-'' |
| 16:16.18 | zenzelezz | thought you were working on that interface thing |
| 16:16.25 | Industrial | Myaccount got banned. |
| 16:16.27 | Industrial | Oh I still am |
| 16:16.29 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 16:16.35 | zenzelezz | banned for what reason? |
| 16:17.37 | [dRaCo] | Cairenn: I do that, but that's WoW... |
| 16:18.12 | Cairenn | same on LotRO, they're even more strict about upholding their naming policy than WoW |
| 16:18.41 | Cairenn | but honestly, meh, different strokes for different folks - some like one game, some like another |
| 16:18.47 | Tem | Anyone else trying to stomach the WSVG for the wow portion? |
| 16:19.25 | Industrial | Anyway, Cairenn, are the servers separated into EU/US ? I really wanna play with people I know from the community. THats a big minus with wow. |
| 16:19.25 | zenzelezz | from what I see on my server, WoW can't claim to be strict about naming policy by a long shot |
| 16:19.37 | Cairenn | I don't recall |
| 16:19.44 | Industrial | zenzelezz: it depends on PVP/normal/RP too |
| 16:19.47 | Industrial | Cairenn: ok |
| 16:20.07 | Shirik | They're pretty strict on RP |
| 16:20.17 | Tem | zenzelezz, to my knowledge, they don't police it at all on anything but RP servers |
| 16:20.33 | Shirik | well they never "police" it |
| 16:20.35 | Tem | you have to report someone for them to notice on PVP and PVE realms |
| 16:20.42 | |Jelly| | I was suspended on a RP server. 8P |
| 16:20.42 | Shirik | iirc they don't do that on RP either |
| 16:21.08 | Tem | It's possible people on RP realms are just more anal about it and report a lot more often |
| 16:21.21 | Shirik | hehe |
| 16:21.39 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I've always been curious, how is PvE (instances/raids) on RP realms? |
| 16:21.47 | Industrial | rp servers always reminds me of the The Noob comic |
| 16:21.56 | Industrial | s/reminds/remind/ |
| 16:21.57 | Shirik | I'm not on an RP server, though I should be |
| 16:22.06 | Shirik | just I don't know anyone that is really into that stuff |
| 16:22.11 | zenzelezz | hm, I must confuse you with someone |
| 16:22.11 | Shirik | I am, but nobody I know, minus a few |
| 16:22.43 | Cairenn | Industrial: if you are interested, I can get you a trial account |
| 16:23.50 | Cairenn | ditto anyone else in here that wants to try it |
| 16:24.08 | Shirik | I've been in since beta :P |
| 16:24.14 | Shirik | Working for AD has its benefits ^^ |
| 16:24.33 | Shirik | I wasn't particularly fond of it though, nor have I ever been into lotro in general |
| 16:24.36 | Shirik | er |
| 16:24.37 | Shirik | lotr* |
| 16:24.58 | zenzelezz | I'm still happy in WoW, but I wish there was *some* other interesting MMO in the works somewhere; nothing yet has caught my eye |
| 16:25.00 | Shirik | has it changed much since beta? |
| 16:25.18 | Cairenn | which beta Shirik? |
| 16:25.29 | Cairenn | I've been in since alpha, so I've got everything muddled up at this point |
| 16:25.33 | Shirik | uh... beats me |
| 16:25.43 | Shirik | they just came to me one day and said "here's your account check it out" |
| 16:26.17 | Shirik | maybe I'll hop in again sometime, I should still be able to get a trial |
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| 16:27.42 | zenzelezz | I'd love a reworked Anarchy Online... with better game mechanics and such than the original, but starting where the original did :-o |
| 16:29.27 | Cairenn | as I said, I can get a number of keys if people want them |
| 16:29.38 | Tem | lol... hearing them explain an mmo... |
| 16:30.20 | Tem | "Warriors are sometimes called tanks..." |
| 16:30.20 | Tem | oh man |
| 16:30.46 | Tem | "A rogue is capable of what we call 'burst damage.'" |
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| 16:34.01 | Industrial | zenzelezz: yes :) less golfcourt |
| 16:35.06 | Industrial | and im not sure if 99 skills in wich any class can put points is where MMO is going/should be going. It may be nice for diversity in builds for expert players but its condusinf as hell to learn and especially NOT to mess up when you are new |
| 16:35.26 | Industrial | confusing* |
| 16:35.59 | zenzelezz | if they didn't have limited reset points I wouldn't mind it at all; I somewhat like the skill system |
| 16:36.04 | zenzelezz | number crunching was fun |
| 16:37.00 | Industrial | I also like the twinking system very much |
| 16:37.13 | Tem | AAHAHAHA |
| 16:37.15 | Industrial | if you have the skills you can put on an item and keep it on |
| 16:37.28 | Industrial | even if the skills bonuses wear off |
| 16:37.33 | zenzelezz | yeah :) |
| 16:38.26 | zenzelezz | I also really like the original story a lot; but they did some peculiar twists and turns with it... (Shadowlands was nice, but not exactly what I expected in a sci-fi MMO) |
| 16:38.36 | Tem | You CC in 3v3 and they call it a "POWER PLAY" |
| 16:38.38 | Industrial | and, ofcource, the tradeskilling sytem - but I never did much with that myself. Only played AO briefly ;) |
| 16:38.47 | Industrial | Tem: power play? |
| 16:39.05 | Tem | it's a cheesy hockey term |
| 16:39.36 | Industrial | just say "I POWERPLAYD URMUM" or something :\ |
| 16:44.17 | Tem | "Why did it go so well?" |
| 16:44.24 | Tem | "We just outplayed everyone else" |
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| 16:59.52 | sysrage | how is a hockey term cheesy? |
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| 17:32.52 | Corrodias | Tem: i was just reading off a list of buffs i had in a screenshot |
| 17:33.37 | Corrodias | actually, it was two screenshots and i was assuming all the AP bonuses were stacking; if bloodlust doesn't increase it, i might have miscalculated, because the numbers made it look like it did |
| 17:35.05 | Corrodias | do one of you have a character on the PTR? i'd like to know if the horizontal resolution issue in windowed mode has been fixed. that's the only issue i'm really interested in. |
| 17:37.24 | Shirik | Hey |Jelly|: If I tend to be the first to die |
| 17:37.29 | Shirik | does that mean I'm doing something wrong or someone else? |
| 17:37.51 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 17:37.56 | Shirik | .. |
| 17:38.04 | zenzelezz | it depends why you're dying |
| 17:38.19 | Shirik | because they want me dead? |
| 17:42.21 | Corrodias | in an arena? the first to die is just a strategical choice, not necessarily the fault of the person dying |
| 17:42.33 | Shirik | no in an instance |
| 17:42.34 | Corrodias | well, tactical choice |
| 17:43.03 | Corrodias | okay, in that case, it's probably you, but you have to be familiar with everyone else's job to know if they're messing up in a less than obvious way |
| 17:44.19 | Shirik | I'm not paying enough attention to everyone else, I'm just trying to keep them alive |
| 17:47.56 | zenzelezz | basically if the mobs are not on the tank, they should be on the DPS |
| 17:48.02 | zenzelezz | otherwise both your tank and DPS suck |
| 17:48.14 | zenzelezz | ideally they should all be on the tank (or CCed) |
| 17:50.29 | Shirik | just somehow always ends up if anything goes wrong it's on me |
| 17:50.30 | Legorol | what class do you play? |
| 17:50.30 | Shirik | priest |
| 17:50.30 | zenzelezz | healers generate threat on all targets, so that tends to happen if things go wrong |
| 17:50.30 | zenzelezz | but the mobs should still go for others if they're doing their job |
| 17:50.30 | Legorol | it depends on what exactly went wrong, |
| 17:50.30 | Legorol | most of the time what goes wrong is untanked or unCCd mob |
| 17:50.30 | Legorol | those will almost always go for the healer |
| 17:50.30 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 17:50.30 | Legorol | it's pretty simple explanation really, and of course once the healer is down, all hell breaks loose |
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| 17:51.03 | Legorol | the problem is that if any one of the non-healers messes up (bad tank, bad CC), the consequence is almost always healer death |
| 17:51.48 | zenzelezz | some DPS have a tendency to break CCed mobs (Multi-shot, Sweeping Strikes, Blade Flurry, I'm looking at you) and get healers killed if the CCer and tank aren't paying enough attention |
| 17:51.50 | Legorol | in a 5-man that may mean 4 possible ways for things to go wrong, all of which kill you ;-) |
| 17:52.01 | Shirik | that sucks |
| 17:52.10 | zenzelezz | it's the life of a healer |
| 17:52.31 | Legorol | healing is such a powerful game mechanic, that i think it's appropriate for it to be the person in the most precarious position |
| 17:52.45 | Shirik | ~dict precarious |
| 17:53.05 | Legorol | lol |
| 17:53.06 | zenzelezz | needs moar synonyms |
| 17:53.25 | Legorol | that doesn't mean there aren't things the healer can do about it |
| 17:53.34 | Legorol | for example, fade before you even get aggro (if you are a priest) |
| 17:53.42 | Legorol | run towards the tank (or stand still) if you get aggro, and not away |
| 17:53.44 | Legorol | that sort of things |
| 17:53.54 | Legorol | many healers are bad at that and panic when they get aggro |
| 17:54.01 | zenzelezz | that's not just healers |
| 17:54.10 | Legorol | yah but it's most dangerous if a healer does that |
| 17:54.11 | zenzelezz | I've seens like 1/10 people run the right way with aggro |
| 17:54.16 | zenzelezz | and most of those are tanks on alts |
| 17:54.17 | Legorol | not to mention the healers that don't heal themselves |
| 17:54.22 | Legorol | very heroic, but very stupid :D |
| 17:54.41 | Legorol | zenzelezz: too true |
| 17:54.53 | Legorol | unfortunately, it's a natural instinct to try and move away from something that's hurting you |
| 17:55.11 | Legorol | also people will move, run, jump etc. even though it doesn't reduce damage taken in the slightest if the mob is already in melee range |
| 17:55.26 | Legorol | nevertheless, it's a very basic instinct that is very hard to overcome |
| 17:55.35 | Legorol | it just goes to show how immersive the game is, imo |
| 17:55.42 | zenzelezz | and if they turn too far around to run they get hit in the back and dazed |
| 17:55.46 | Shirik | I don't panic when I get aggro |
| 17:55.49 | Shirik | gotten used to it by now >< |
| 17:56.02 | zenzelezz | didn't you use to play a Feign Death? |
| 17:56.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:59.11 | Legorol | i'd give an arm if hunters used FD pre-emptively *sigh* |
| 17:59.47 | zenzelezz | it's no problem, it's not like it can be resisted! |
| 17:59.48 | Shirik | I do >.> |
| 17:59.55 | zenzelezz | at least that's how they act |
| 18:00.13 | Shirik | I have a personal RDX module I coded but never released |
| 18:00.19 | Shirik | it checks all of my hunters' FD cooldowns |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | and if it's not on cooldown, I hurt them |
| 18:00.34 | Legorol | i'm not in favour of such micro-management |
| 18:00.41 | Legorol | i'd prefer my players to be smart and act on their own |
| 18:00.42 | Shirik | sometimes they need it |
| 18:00.48 | Legorol | i'm not playing an RTS, so i don't want to control 5 units |
| 18:00.59 | Shirik | I would love for some people to be smart. Unfortunately, some people just can't get things through their skull |
| 18:01.01 | Legorol | if they need it, they have scope to learn ;-) |
| 18:01.15 | Legorol | everyone can, it's jsut a simple matter of voltage |
| 18:01.31 | Legorol | that was a paraphrase, and if anyone guesses the film that's from, they get a cookie |
| 18:03.16 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:03.25 | Shirik | sounds like something that would come from back to the future |
| 18:03.36 | Shirik | I find that amusing though, voltage |
| 18:03.36 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:07.18 | Legorol | back to the future rocks so much |
| 18:07.32 | Legorol | 1.4 Gigawatts. 1.4 Gigawatts!! |
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| 18:12.21 | Shirik | was that where it's from? |
| 18:25.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Cairenn, I'm a possible for the dinner on the saturday - assuming Wikia is okay with it :) |
| 18:27.05 | Cairenn | as I was saying to Kaydeethree, why don't you guys just join us, not like there isn't already a major cross-over :p |
| 18:30.50 | zenzelezz | they just can't handle the Cairenn |
| 18:30.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:40.45 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 18:41.01 | Kirkburn|afk | It would certainly make sense |
| 18:41.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, Kaydeethree has sent an email about it |
| 18:41.54 | zenzelezz | yes, she's quite intimidating |
| 18:42.31 | Cairenn | :( I'm cuddly! |
| 18:42.58 | zenzelezz | they're not mutually exclusive |
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| 20:09.24 | Shirik | "You may use your server IP or domain name as the host address the port we use for SSH is 1291." |
| 20:09.41 | zenzelezz | 22 is too obvious |
| 20:09.57 | zenzelezz | all the 1337 h4x0rs would break in in not time! |
| 20:10.14 | Shirik | I realize that 22 is obvious, but obfuscation is never the way to secure something |
| 20:10.22 | zenzelezz | I'm joking :-) |
| 20:10.32 | Shirik | well no, I honestly think that's their reasoning |
| 20:10.44 | zenzelezz | exactly! |
| 20:10.47 | zenzelezz | zomg |
| 20:12.44 | Kaso | i guess its just that obfuscating doesnt hurt, and it might help keep at least some unwanted traffic away, so why not? |
| 20:13.43 | Shirik | destandardizing ports is only going to cause havoc in the long run |
| 20:13.52 | Shirik | what if everybody's web server started running on different ports |
| 20:15.11 | Kaso | You want public to be able to access your website easily so tahts why you use default port, sometimes people use non-standard ports for non-public websites in the same manner |
| 20:15.35 | Kaso | I dont claim it to be a universalisable thing, but its hardly a crime against the gods of computing |
| 20:16.30 | Shirik | The gods shalt rain fire upon thy ports and inject lag into your internetz! |
| 20:16.34 | Kaso | hehe |
| 20:16.41 | Shirik | s/your/thy/ |
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| 20:22.52 | Shirik | wb Cide |
| 20:23.18 | zenzelezz | fifth night on Morogrim or something, and they still insist on the strategy of *one* paladin tanking murlocs, despite it being obvious by now it's entirely luck based |
| 20:23.55 | zenzelezz | none of the videos I saw did him anywhere close to how we've tried |
| 20:25.25 | AnduinLothar | we tried him a couple times, how it it sposed to be done? |
| 20:26.13 | zenzelezz | we haven't taken him yet so I can't really say, but most videos I saw tanked him between the two pillars and didn't really tank murlocs at all |
| 20:26.18 | zenzelezz | just frost trap/AoE |
| 20:27.40 | AnduinLothar | do you have a prot pally? |
| 20:27.49 | zenzelezz | this time, yes |
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| 20:29.08 | zenzelezz | he can tank better, but it doesn't help when he gets tombed |
| 20:29.18 | zenzelezz | the alternative was to have him tank out of range, but that's not working well either |
| 20:29.34 | AnduinLothar | right, it's luck like prince, pretty sure |
| 20:29.42 | zenzelezz | at least with the tank tactic |
| 20:29.57 | zenzelezz | if you just go with AoE + slowing CC you should always have someone not tombed |
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| 20:43.17 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 21:02.51 | Cide- | zenzelezz: we use 2-3 paladins |
| 21:03.09 | Cide- | warriors pick up murlocs from one side and pull them to the paladins, the paladins pick up the murlocs from the other side |
| 21:03.32 | Cide- | as soon as one side of murlocs get in range, warlocks start spamming seed of corruption |
| 21:03.52 | Cide- | when they are together, one mage frost novas and then mage aoe goes all out (warlocks keeps SoC-ing until they're all dead).. use another frost nova if necessary |
| 21:04.03 | Cide- | works pretty well |
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| 21:05.58 | zenzelezz | we don't seem to have the discipline |
| 21:06.07 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised we even got Hydross with some of these people |
| 21:07.05 | zenzelezz | but also, where do you keep Moro? |
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| 21:21.20 | Cide- | to the north, by that hallway to fathom-lord |
| 21:33.34 | Cairenn|afk | Kaelten: did you ever confirm the sat night dinner and disney? |
| 21:33.44 | Kaelten | oh, no :s |
| 21:33.51 | Kaelten | sat night dinner is a yes. |
| 21:33.56 | Cairenn|afk | k |
| 21:33.58 | Cairenn|afk | disney? |
| 21:34.02 | Kaelten | disney is a not likeyly but maybe |
| 21:34.33 | Cairenn|afk | well, that's "less important" since we don't need to make reservations for it |
| 21:34.38 | Kirov | are the wow forums broken for other people? |
| 21:36.11 | Kirov | The ui forum doesn't appear to have changed for two days |
| 21:36.19 | zenzelezz | link |
| 21:36.24 | Kirov | aha |
| 21:36.31 | Kirov | @#%! |
| 21:36.39 | zenzelezz | you had sorted by something other than date? |
| 21:37.18 | Kirov | .... no! ... yes |
| 21:37.47 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
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| 22:11.00 | sysrage | is there a CTRA slash command to check everybodies version? i use oRA2 so i can't find it but a guildmate needs it |
| 22:12.05 | mikma | tell him /radisband (or something) lol |
| 22:12.09 | sysrage | hilarious |
| 22:12.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:12.24 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.50 | sysrage | ty |
| 22:22.25 | Shirik | hm, so I never thought I'd need this in Lua |
| 22:22.37 | Shirik | but I just implemented semaphores for RDX >.> |
| 22:22.47 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 22:23.48 | Shirik | The rewrite has a radical change to the way it handles events. But some modules need information on these events at points after they occur. So, to ensure that the data isn't freed, each module can acquire a lock on the event |
| 22:24.06 | Shirik | The data is guaranteed not to be freed until after all locks are released |
| 22:24.47 | Shirik | This way I can reuse tables safely |
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| 22:32.29 | Shirik | eh, I guess it's more of a... reverse semaphore? |
| 22:32.52 | Kaso | Ive never come accross it in a programming sense before |
| 22:33.31 | Shirik | Well for most, the only use of semaphores is a mutex, since that's about all anyone needs |
| 22:33.42 | Kaso | Oh shit! ERROR ERROR! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Semaphore_Error.svg |
| 22:35.08 | Shirik | holy crap 11MB |
| 22:35.13 | Shirik | you suck KAso |
| 22:35.21 | Kaso | 11KB ? |
| 22:35.23 | Shirik | oh, KB |
| 22:35.30 | Shirik | I read it wrong |
| 22:35.57 | Kaso | that little charater seems so emotive |
| 22:36.07 | Kaso | you can tell that something bad's happened |
| 22:36.09 | Shirik | kaso what is that >.> |
| 22:36.24 | Kaso | thats the semaphore sign for "error" |
| 22:36.25 | Shirik | oh that's that ship flag thing ... |
| 22:36.25 | Shirik | not that >.> |
| 22:36.39 | Shirik | You know what a mutex is right? |
| 22:36.54 | Kaso | Flags are so much cooler than programming man! |
| 22:37.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:37.15 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_%28programming%29 |
| 22:37.20 | Kaso | Nope, i havent come accross those yet either |
| 22:37.28 | Kaso | still first year of my comp sci degree |
| 22:37.55 | Shirik | Okay, basically a semaphore keeps track of something that can be used by multiple threads (or in this case, modules) |
| 22:38.31 | Shirik | Each time a thread (or module) requests a "lock" on that object, the semaphore is decremented by one. If it's already at zero, the lock is denied. |
| 22:38.54 | Shirik | When someone releases the lock, it's incremented, allowing more concurrent accesses. |
| 22:39.16 | Shirik | A mutex is a special case where only one thread may access the object at the same time. (Thus it's intiialized to 1) |
| 22:39.51 | Kaso | that seems fairly common sense |
| 22:39.53 | Shirik | My implementation, though, counts up, because I need to do something when it reaches zero, not when it's NOT zero. |
| 22:40.00 | Shirik | It's a very simple system :) |
| 22:40.11 | Shirik | But it's vital for safe concurrent operations |
| 22:40.51 | zenzelezz | semaphore, mutex, critical section => MINE! ALL MINE! memory |
| 22:41.51 | Shirik | Right, my terminology was bad which I realized after I said it, but it's essentially the same theory in reverse. I don't want to limit access, I just want to track it until it's no longer needed |
| 22:43.50 | zenzelezz | reference count then |
| 22:44.17 | zenzelezz | that's about the only thing I ever understood about MS's COM thing |
| 22:44.28 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:44.37 | Shirik | I never really got into COM, though I still think I should |
| 22:45.17 | Wraanger | Shirik ...a question .... is there any progress with Kara boss mod for RDX.CiD ? +) |
| 22:45.55 | Shirik | yeah actually, without thinking I know |
| 22:46.00 | Shirik | my version is different than that on the SVN |
| 22:46.09 | Shirik | what are you looking for in particular |
| 22:46.56 | Wraanger | you said like 2-3 days ago that Kara modult is still a bit ...betaish ))) for instance, Illhoof module by your words was not working ') |
| 22:47.04 | Shirik | ah yeah |
| 22:47.19 | Shirik | no I really haven't done much work on it for the very reason that any current bossmods will be obsolete in the new version of RDX |
| 22:47.32 | Shirik | I can give you the current version which is mostly working and offer you the places to change |
| 22:47.47 | zenzelezz | what about a Maraudon module? That place can be raided too :-o |
| 22:47.54 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:47.56 | Shirik | no. |
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| 22:49.30 | Wraanger | would be good |
| 22:50.49 | Wraanger | and regarding "will be obsolete in new version of RDX" ..... any ETA on it ? ;))) |
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| 22:52.18 | art3mis | hrm |
| 22:52.22 | art3mis | where's syl or kael |
| 22:52.51 | zenzelezz | Kael is probably hiding in The Eye somewhere |
| 22:52.53 | art3mis | hows rdx.cid coming along shirk |
| 22:53.07 | art3mis | ineed them to change how thier stupidupdater works ;) |
| 22:53.22 | art3mis | i hatetagging a bunch of shit using the word search and losing all those tagged items |
| 22:53.45 | art3mis | and whats that shammy tool? |
| 22:53.48 | art3mis | gotwood? |
| 22:53.51 | art3mis | or is there another |
| 22:54.25 | Shirik | art3mis: It will be completely rewritten, which may imply a name change (Cidan and I discussed that earlier) |
| 22:54.35 | Shirik | Wraanger: It's far too early for an ETA, really |
| 22:54.38 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 22:54.45 | art3mis | oooo |
| 22:54.54 | art3mis | will be or is in the process of? |
| 22:55.03 | zenzelezz | Shirik: RDX.Shi? |
| 22:55.06 | Shirik | In the process of |
| 22:55.12 | Wraanger | same question as art3mis ;) |
| 22:55.13 | art3mis | neat |
| 22:55.17 | Wraanger | cool |
| 22:55.17 | Shirik | lol no |
| 22:55.17 | Shirik | I mean, no longer RDX |
| 22:56.17 | zenzelezz | CSRA! |
| 22:56.22 | Shirik | There are a lot of reasons for the rework, but the nicest thing about it will be its focus on performance. We strived for performance earlier but there were some key flaws at RDX's very root |
| 22:56.24 | Kirov | Will RDX be optimized for 14.4? |
| 22:56.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:56.38 | Shirik | I'll probably be off 14.4 by the time it's done, thank god |
| 22:57.00 | Kirov | Does that mean the rat counter will be out then too? |
| 22:57.10 | Kirov | You could probably build it in to the next version. ;) |
| 22:57.29 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:58.09 | Shirik | I don't know what's going on with the rat counter. It works but has no GUI |
| 22:58.16 | art3mis | Super Uber Cid and shiriK Integrated Team Virtual Endgame 'N party Interface |
| 22:58.19 | art3mis | call it that |
| 22:58.44 | art3mis | complete with bolding ;) |
| 23:00.41 | art3mis | so has anyone made ashammy totem bar that basically accomplilshed the same as the stance bar and auto adds to it for casting as you get new totems? |
| 23:00.41 | Shirik | lol. |
| 23:00.46 | Shirik | interesting name |
| 23:00.50 | art3mis | would that be yata? |
| 23:01.04 | art3mis | heh im not a fan of veni since he went pay |
| 23:01.16 | art3mis | for some reason that pisses me off an immence amount |
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| 23:13.55 | Shirik | art3mis: You're not the only one like that |
| 23:14.07 | Shirik | p.s. I love reading Cidan's comments. Wraanger just helped me find this gem: <!-- Looking for windows? Don't. Windows are dynamic now. --> |
| 23:14.21 | Shirik | You could have told me where to look so I don't have to call you!! |
| 23:15.19 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 23:15.49 | art3mis | you should read through some of vharr/rabbits addons |
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| 23:15.55 | art3mis | his comments are hilarious |
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| 23:46.42 | Mike-N-Go | Where would one find what kind of sholder enchants there are? |
| 23:47.11 | Mike-N-Go | Are they all called Inscriptions? |
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