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| 00:13.01 | Kaydeethree | damn it, they need to fix the invisible wall between SMV and HFP |
| 00:13.14 | Kaydeethree | trying to fly to the dark portal and I keep hitting it |
| 00:17.22 | Kaso | Are you sure there's a wall? i seem to recall its just the ceil high drops a fair chuck and if you fly down for a bit you can contiune on |
| 00:17.48 | Kaydeethree | it may be the ceiling dropping down but it's the same symptoms either way |
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| 00:19.06 | Kaydeethree | I'm just glad pitchlimit's back |
| 00:20.29 | Shirik | does anyone watch this show "are you smarter than a 5th grader? |
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| 00:23.55 | Wobin_ | Shirik: That's ... worrying that you actually -have- a show like that |
| 00:24.06 | Shirik | it's actually rather interesting |
| 00:24.52 | Wobin_ | I take it, given the premise in the title, that the majority of interviewees -aren't- smarter than a 5th grader? |
| 00:24.56 | Shirik | they also encourage cheating >.> |
| 00:25.15 | Wobin_ | pulling hair and scratching too? |
| 00:25.28 | Wobin_ | Maybe tripping people when they're carrying their lunch trays? |
| 00:25.32 | Shirik | some of the questions are so obvious |
| 00:25.37 | Shirik | some of them are a bit harder |
| 00:25.46 | Wobin_ | examples? |
| 00:26.04 | Shirik | on the easy side... "what state borders south dakota to the north" |
| 00:26.20 | Shirik | he hasn't really done any hard questions yet... so |
| 00:26.24 | Wobin_ | north... dakota? |
| 00:26.27 | Shirik | yes :) |
| 00:26.31 | Wobin_ | whee =) |
| 00:26.40 | Wobin_ | My American geography is sketchy to say the least =P |
| 00:26.47 | Shirik | you choose categories, 2 categories in each grade 1st through 5th |
| 00:26.48 | Shirik | so 10 questions |
| 00:26.51 | Shirik | he's only done 1-3 so far |
| 00:26.56 | Shirik | that question was 1st grade btw ;) |
| 00:27.21 | Shirik | his current "3rd grade animal science" question is "true or false: an alaskan malamut is a species of fish" |
| 00:27.41 | Wobin_ | Well they like to swim... |
| 00:27.58 | Wobin_ | And if you put flippers on them and a snorkel, they could probably do a good impression |
| 00:28.04 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:28.12 | Shirik | anyway, commercial |
| 00:28.17 | Shirik | and that means cookies |
| 00:28.18 | Shirik | afk |
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| 00:41.09 | Shirik | 5th grade cultural studies ($300k): "The ancient region known as mesopotamia was bordered by the euphrates and what other river?" |
| 00:41.50 | JoshBorke | freaking nile, how should we know? lol |
| 00:42.07 | Kaso | how old are people in 5th grade? |
| 00:42.12 | JoshBorke | 12 |
| 00:42.25 | Shirik | the tigris :) |
| 00:42.31 | Shirik | dunno |
| 00:42.55 | Shirik | btw, nobody has ever gotten the $1million question |
| 00:43.03 | Shirik | this guy's the closest ever :) |
| 00:43.31 | Shirik | 5th grade world history ($500k): "The league of nations was formed at the conclusion of what war?" |
| 00:43.33 | Shirik | that's pretty easy |
| 00:43.37 | Shirik | WWI iirc |
| 00:43.50 | JoshBorke | i thought it formed before that |
| 00:44.00 | Shirik | wait |
| 00:44.08 | Shirik | what's the one we have now? |
| 00:44.25 | Shirik | it's not the league of nations right? |
| 00:44.28 | Kaydeethree | the UN |
| 00:44.33 | Shirik | grr |
| 00:44.37 | Shirik | one was formed at the end of WWI, one at WWII |
| 00:44.39 | Shirik | yeah that's right |
| 00:44.43 | Shirik | gah I feel stupid now |
| 00:45.57 | JoshBorke | you are, it's ok |
| 00:46.37 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:46.47 | JoshBorke | purl, humiliate shirk |
| 00:46.48 | purl | ACTION drags shirk into a room with all shirk's friends & family and the one person shirk wants to impress...while shirk is stark naked |
| 00:46.49 | JoshBorke | while he's weak! |
| 00:46.50 | Shirik | that's where you're supposed to go "no you're not, Shirik, we love you" |
| 00:47.07 | Shirik | who's shirk? |
| 00:47.13 | JoshBorke | purl, humiliate shirik |
| 00:47.14 | purl | ACTION forces shirik to sit front and center as he turns shirik's beloved automobile into a rusty-bucket pinto |
| 00:47.23 | JoshBorke | the other one was far better purl |
| 00:47.33 | Shirik | that's why I made you redo it ^^ |
| 00:48.54 | JoshBorke | yay for delayed help tooltips! |
| 00:50.02 | JoshBorke | not working :-( |
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| 00:51.09 | Shirik | I was right, WWI :) |
| 00:51.13 | JoshBorke | gj :-) |
| 00:51.23 | Shirik | probably the only thing in history I know |
| 00:52.09 | Wobin_ | Hm, The tigris/euphraties one would only be known to someone who'd done ancient history... |
| 00:52.25 | Kaydeethree | or world history in general |
| 00:52.29 | Wobin_ | granted, it was a core subject for us |
| 00:52.36 | Kaydeethree | I remember hearing about it in elementary/middle school |
| 00:53.14 | Shirik | Million dollar question is 5th grade health |
| 00:53.19 | Shirik | wtf I never had health in 5th grade |
| 00:53.45 | Kaydeethree | heh, we did. I actually had it in 4th grade |
| 00:59.15 | Shirik | meh, he didn't look at the question |
| 00:59.37 | Wobin_ | bastard |
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| 01:05.38 | Guillotine | damn Shartuul event bugged. Wouldn't let me use super ability -_- |
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| 01:28.13 | Shirik | woot, RDX got another pool :) |
| 01:28.23 | Shirik | need more chlorine |
| 01:39.37 | KriLL3 | darwin award? |
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| 03:13.19 | Nom_ | Greetings, children... |
| 03:18.28 | Cairenn | children? ooooh, buy me a lollipop? |
| 03:23.13 | Tain | Want some candy little girl? |
| 03:24.03 | Cairenn | will you be my sugar-daddy? |
| 03:24.46 | Kaydeethree | oO; |
| 03:26.20 | Tain | I'm more of a baker than a candy maker. |
| 03:26.30 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:27.22 | Tain | But I can put a bun in your ove... you know what maybe that's not a good idea. |
| 03:27.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:28.15 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:28.29 | Nom- | And now...back to our regularly scheduled programming... |
| 03:28.33 | Tain | :) |
| 03:28.40 | Nom- | *cricket chirp* |
| 03:30.13 | art3mis | heh the regular schedule is boring though |
| 03:30.37 | art3mis | not that i prefer to see video of Tain baking |
| 03:30.41 | art3mis | ;) |
| 03:31.11 | Tain | Me on a cooking show? Instant top of the ratings. |
| 03:35.05 | art3mis | depends what the oven looks like ;P |
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| 03:36.33 | art3mis | neato |
| 03:36.38 | art3mis | sap doesnt flag rogues |
| 03:37.00 | Nom- | Coz everyone has haxx mode now |
| 03:39.48 | art3mis | i didnt get that memo |
| 03:39.52 | art3mis | thanks for letting me know |
| 03:40.55 | art3mis | when did alliance get hearth stones if you werent a paladin? |
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| 03:54.56 | Nom- | art3mis: The same time they got shamans |
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| 04:18.58 | Nom- | Someone must have been hungry |
| 04:19.11 | Nom- | Someone ram raided a butcher shop overnight and made off with $7000 worth of meat |
| 04:23.10 | bleeter | Nom-: that's a lot of skippy |
| 04:25.39 | bleeter | k, so this is what I *don't* really get at all 'bout the new rep gain calculation... |
| 04:26.17 | bleeter | my 28 nelf druid, who's not gone out of her way to do any gnomer quests, has a higher rep with gnomer than my 70 mage gnome who actually bothered to do gnomer and some other bits |
| 04:26.32 | bleeter | *nelf druid ain't specifically chased gnome quests |
| 04:27.23 | bleeter | the only way to get the 70's rep up is buckets of cloth? |
| 04:28.09 | bleeter | I'm assuming the servers know which gnome rep quests she's previously completed, and could at elast in theory, apply some form of the new rep gain to the old totals - but I guess this is too difficult and this is why it weren't done? |
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| 04:31.32 | Kaydeethree | I'm just calling it the devs being lazy or the backend database not being able to handle the kind of queries to recalculate |
| 04:31.54 | Kaydeethree | annoys me to no end, I'm in the same situation with my draenei warrior |
| 04:32.22 | bleeter | particularly blows on RP realms, imo... 28 nelf > 70 gnome as far as Gnomeregan rep is concerned |
| 04:33.00 | bleeter | mind you, Blizz's CF re: RP seems to be somewhere between 0 and 0.00...1 |
| 04:34.27 | bleeter | level 2 toons to 70, you think some lore happens method A due to what you've read. Get 3 toon to (eg) level 40, some retcon has gone on and the last 3 weeks of RP you've done on the 70 has been BS |
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| 05:00.22 | bleeter | recently seen in trade: |
| 05:00.32 | bleeter | 'WTB: Smithy to remove fat ass from really tiny chair' |
| 05:00.41 | bleeter | 'You sure that ain't an alchy or engi's job?' |
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| 05:30.39 | Nom- | Engineer would be about right |
| 05:30.49 | Nom- | Some blasting powder...well maybe a lot of blasting powder |
| 05:30.56 | Nom- | Maybe a Fel Iron Bomb or two |
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| 05:52.42 | Nom- | Anyone know if they're taking the servers offline at 3 AM PDT |
| 05:52.54 | Nom- | Or is it "normal" maintenance |
| 05:53.38 | Bleeter | Nom-: early downtime would be for a patch, for which I don't think there is one. |
| 05:54.00 | Bleeter | I'm guessing 'regular' maint (5AM PDT) |
| 05:55.03 | Nom- | Bleh, i suppose that's ok |
| 05:55.09 | Nom- | Just hoping I have time to do my dailies |
| 05:55.18 | Nom- | But I don't think I will |
| 05:55.34 | Nom- | I believe 3AM PDT = reset time |
| 06:05.03 | Guillotine | alright, I'm tired, and for some reason this is very strange. anybody see why this doesn't work? http://guillotine.pastey.net/71232 |
| 06:05.22 | Guillotine | for some reason the button is there (can't click through it), but its invisible |
| 06:05.37 | Guillotine | doesn't show the textures you would think it would inheriting the frame it does |
| 06:12.36 | Guillotine | nobody sees the problem? or noones looking? |
| 06:13.38 | DragonWin | I don't know enough lua yet to help you :-( |
| 06:13.53 | DragonWin | <--- infant stage |
| 06:15.12 | Guillotine | bleh. I could do this easily in the XML, but then my converting of 2k lines of XML to Lua would have been in waste -_- |
| 06:15.51 | DragonWin | auch 2k is quite a lot |
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| 06:18.30 | Cide | Guillotine: GameMenuButtonTemplate should be a string |
| 06:18.49 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 06:20.10 | Guillotine | I knew it was a stupid mistake >< |
| 06:21.16 | Kirov | You've gotten good at cutting your own head off |
| 06:22.45 | Kirov | anyone know when GetGuildInfo("player") is valid/ |
| 06:26.54 | Nom- | guildName, guildRankName, guildRankIndex = GetGuildInfo(unit); |
| 06:26.56 | Nom- | should be |
| 06:27.41 | Kirov | But is it valid on PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 06:28.31 | Nom- | dunno...it's a unit-level method/function |
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| 06:33.10 | JunkHead-Work | Morning. |
| 06:33.19 | DragonWin | Morning |
| 06:33.41 | JunkHead-Work | I was just reading on my guild's forums... |
| 06:34.01 | JunkHead-Work | And it appears that we recruited an entire 10-Man Raid today.:P |
| 06:34.50 | DragonWin | ehmm ... 10 new people in one day ... ain't that a bit many ? |
| 06:35.09 | JunkHead-Work | Well, it seems some were already guild friends. |
| 06:35.18 | JunkHead-Work | I recognized a few names from previous runs. |
| 06:35.43 | JunkHead-Work | My guild primarily dealt with morning raids, but as more people joined, we started a PM team too. |
| 06:35.56 | DragonWin | ahh |
| 06:35.58 | JunkHead-Work | From what I gather, anotehr guild on our server had some guild drama. |
| 06:36.14 | JunkHead-Work | And an entire 10 man raid team basically jumped ship |
| 06:36.18 | JunkHead-Work | We picked them up. |
| 06:36.34 | DragonWin | heh |
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| 06:39.52 | Shadowed | stupid IRC |
| 06:40.01 | JunkHead-Work | Here's one new guy we got |
| 06:40.03 | JunkHead-Work | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Krullmaster |
| 06:40.09 | JunkHead-Work | Met him in SSC today for the first time. |
| 06:41.53 | JunkHead-Work | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Nuuga |
| 06:42.03 | JunkHead-Work | That's another new one we picked up. |
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| 07:31.30 | Bleeter | http://www.bleeter.id.au/beckhams_welcomed_by_hollywood.jpg (NSFW) |
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| 07:33.10 | krka | you consider that NSFW? |
| 07:33.55 | Bleeter | depends whether yer boss appreciates the words 'FUCK OFF' on your screen offensive or not |
| 07:34.14 | Kirov | my boss would laugh |
| 07:34.51 | Bleeter | save the image locally, share it round |
| 07:35.04 | Bleeter | as I'll be moving it shortly to stop b/w leechers ;) |
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| 08:05.16 | Bleeter | is it just me, or has wowhead had more downtime since they got bought out? |
| 08:06.01 | zenzelezz | complete downtime or just slowness/hickups? |
| 08:06.07 | Bleeter | hmm, coulda just been a transient thing just then |
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| 08:13.57 | ny | who knows Secure Frames usage? |
| 08:17.34 | [Ammo] | www.wowwiki.com has some good examples |
| 08:18.45 | ny | then, can't auto change the target, isn't? |
| 08:21.04 | zenzelezz | I think you need user interaction to do that in combat, and who exactly you can target is limited |
| 08:24.34 | zenzelezz | heh, Thunderbird thought the Sierra Insider newsletter was a scam |
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| 09:05.59 | Nom- | Targeting functions are disabled in combat |
| 09:06.09 | Nom- | Completely disabled... |
| 09:06.26 | Nom- | That's why things like WhisperCast only work when you're not in combat |
| 09:07.13 | zenzelezz | but you can set up certain secure frames beforehand to target stuff... SecureUnitButtons comes to mind |
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| 09:20.02 | Nom- | Yeah, but they don't programatically target anyone |
| 09:20.13 | Nom- | It's just set up a handler that says "this frame is linked to this unit" |
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| 09:20.33 | Nom- | I suspect the logic he's talking about is arbitrarily targeting a player (ala. old decursive) |
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| 09:45.20 | ny | in combat can use "/target someone " how do this in my addons |
| 09:46.10 | zenzelezz | can't |
| 09:49.13 | ny | if "/targer" not transfer function "target()", maybe can do it |
| 09:50.16 | zenzelezz | the function behind the /target slash command is restricted to Blizzard's own code |
| 09:52.04 | ny | i hate secure frame .. |
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| 10:36.25 | Bleeter | great toon names I've seen: Horde -> Touchmypeon |
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| 10:37.25 | zenzelezz | I still like Hasselhoof |
| 10:37.48 | Bleeter | that's also good |
| 10:38.26 | zenzelezz | I just know that one of these days I'll meet a gnome whose name doesn't include some sort of size reference |
| 10:42.06 | Bleeter | hmmm, I guess my gnome has a size reference, although purely unintentional |
| 10:42.58 | krka | what's it called? |
| 10:43.13 | JoshBorke | my gnome's name is Gasil |
| 10:43.24 | Industrial | mines called Warriordude |
| 10:43.30 | zenzelezz | I sort of want to roll a tauren called Taurbus |
| 10:43.51 | Thunder_Child | my shammy is called totempheliac |
| 10:44.22 | Bleeter | Mathinna... which was a name given to a Tasmanian Aboriginal girl by Sir John and Lady Jane Franklin who, well in modern eyes, tried to take her away from her own people and ruined her life |
| 10:44.24 | Thunder_Child | i get some odd reactions running with a name like that |
| 10:44.26 | zenzelezz | ever get any "phallic totem" jokes from that TC? |
| 10:44.55 | Bleeter | of course, in their eyes they were trying to give her a 'modern' education... those two believed in equality (to some degree, voting etc.) of the sexes, etc. etc. |
| 10:45.06 | Thunder_Child | yes well, my having a female char doesnt help |
| 10:45.15 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 10:45.25 | Bleeter | Sir John was so revolutionary, they kicked him outta the state... he went and got lost in trying to find the North West Passage, ended up eating his fellow shipmates |
| 10:46.09 | Bleeter | Mathinna ended up dead in a ditch from alcoholism... and the Tasmanian aboriginals were almost exterminated by future English rule... they live on, but... still some contoversy over this Ice Princess |
| 10:46.21 | Bleeter | so... on an RP realm... gave my gnome mage her English name |
| 10:46.29 | Bleeter | wich contains a size reference, by pure chance |
| 10:47.03 | Thunder_Child | not much RP when using RL examples |
| 10:47.38 | Bleeter | far more creative name than many others out there in RP land |
| 10:47.42 | Bleeter | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Mathinna |
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| 10:48.22 | Bleeter | (he says as he walks past 'pooky', 'decon' and 'mystic' :/ ) |
| 10:48.24 | Thunder_Child | well i would say that RP doesnt say 'creative' but 'fit's in' |
| 10:49.31 | Bleeter | it's far better than my transferred toon.. came from non-RP where he was 'Normal'... now known as 'Nohrmahl' |
| 10:51.25 | Bleeter | and re: that armory.. yes, I use Outfitter so that when I log the armory doesn't really reflect what I use ;) |
| 10:51.51 | zenzelezz | paranoia? :-o |
| 10:52.17 | Bleeter | nah, 'coz people msg me in game saying 'wtf you getting round with gahz'ridian detector on your head for?' |
| 10:52.21 | Bleeter | lotsalolz |
| 10:54.28 | Wobin | furbolg tube? |
| 10:54.40 | Wobin | "It's the only part of the furbolg we -don't- eat!" |
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| 11:27.24 | Bleeter | from the late-but-not-too-late-dept |
| 11:27.25 | Bleeter | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/24/iphone_security_vulnerability/ |
| 11:27.34 | Bleeter | furbolg tube = dartol's rod of whatsit |
| 11:28.03 | zenzelezz | transformation? |
| 11:28.13 | Bleeter | sounds about right |
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| 11:59.10 | Nom- | woooot |
| 11:59.14 | Nom- | just got dailies done |
| 11:59.21 | Nom- | with 1 min 45 to spare |
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| 12:45.29 | lolinternet | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:45.38 | lolinternet | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442965809&sid=1 <--someone please poin out that his math is all wrong |
| 12:46.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Spell's Casttime - (Clock/2) = remaining Casttime |
| 12:46.13 | sag_ich_nicht | not |
| 12:46.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Spell's Casttime - Clock/2 = remaining Casttime) |
| 12:46.17 | krka | on forums where 0.99~ still isn't 1? |
| 12:46.18 | sag_ich_nicht | -) |
| 12:46.19 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 12:46.20 | krka | i doubt it |
| 12:46.44 | krka | sag_ich_nicht: what's the difference? |
| 12:46.52 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 12:46.54 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 12:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 12:46.59 | sag_ich_nicht | am i retarded now? |
| 12:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm. |
| 12:47.17 | sag_ich_nicht | >____< |
| 12:47.24 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab sag_ich_nicht |
| 12:47.25 | purl | ACTION runs at sag_ich_nicht with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:47.41 | krka | yes |
| 12:47.43 | krka | yes you are |
| 12:47.47 | ny | lol |
| 12:48.05 | Kaso | The big issue with his idea is if the server replies telling you that you cant cast, on your screen your casting bar has already been going for 2sec or whatever |
| 12:51.53 | zenzelezz | I wonder what sort of latency this guy has |
| 12:54.24 | sag_ich_nicht | even in long fights 200 ms make a difference. |
| 12:54.35 | sag_ich_nicht | *even in short fights |
| 12:54.36 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit |
| 12:54.40 | sag_ich_nicht | in long fights all the more |
| 12:54.49 | zenzelezz | don't know about casters, I don't play one |
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| 12:57.04 | Kaso | The biggest issue with writing netcode to compensate for lag is you then open doors for exploits |
| 12:57.18 | Kaso | and i think security is better than a few people trying to play on 56k modems |
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| 13:01.18 | sag_ich_nicht | think casting just 2.5 second casts, that means after 31.25 seconds you have lost 1 cast to latency, assuming you have a rather normal latency of 200 ms |
| 13:02.46 | sag_ich_nicht | now thing a latency of 400 ms, now you have already lost 2 casts |
| 13:03.08 | sag_ich_nicht | s/thing/think/ |
| 13:03.20 | Industrial | sag_ich_nicht: mash the button and you will cast it on time. |
| 13:03.30 | Industrial | eg not when the casting bar is finished but when the real cast is finished |
| 13:03.34 | krka | there should be a rolling cooldown... each cast should just add to the total cooldown time |
| 13:03.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial: nope, you won't |
| 13:03.44 | krka | if the total cooldown is above a certain level, you're not allowed to cast |
| 13:03.49 | Industrial | yes you will |
| 13:03.52 | Industrial | (lol) |
| 13:04.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial: no. you won't. want a video to prove it? |
| 13:04.07 | Industrial | sure |
| 13:04.19 | sag_ich_nicht | fine, wait till i get home in the evening and i'll load up fraps. |
| 13:04.21 | zenzelezz | Another actions is already in progress. |
| 13:04.28 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz is correct |
| 13:04.29 | zenzelezz | -s |
| 13:04.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial the castbar on the client is independent from the one on the server |
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| 13:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | so if you cancel out late/early enough on the client you can already start casting the next spell because the casting bar on the server has already finished |
| 13:05.13 | Industrial | yes, so suppose you csat the next spell not when your own castingbar ends but at the time it end on the server |
| 13:05.15 | sag_ich_nicht | and your spell goes thru |
| 13:05.22 | Industrial | thats what im saying |
| 13:05.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial: yeah, but that doesn't happen if you mash the button. |
| 13:05.49 | sag_ich_nicht | because the client waits until HIS casting bar is done |
| 13:05.53 | sag_ich_nicht | not the server casting bar |
| 13:05.56 | Industrial | just mash the button the whole casting duration, youll cast it as soon as you can |
| 13:06.00 | Industrial | .. no it doesnt :S? |
| 13:06.04 | sag_ich_nicht | yes it does. |
| 13:06.07 | Industrial | wtf |
| 13:06.19 | sag_ich_nicht | go ahead and install quartz |
| 13:06.34 | sag_ich_nicht | and you will be able to even time it properly |
| 13:06.50 | sag_ich_nicht | you can try it out just with your mount |
| 13:07.01 | sag_ich_nicht | start running a moment before the cast finishes |
| 13:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | you will still mount up, altho you actually cancelled the spell |
| 13:07.31 | sag_ich_nicht | because your client side casting bar is lagging behind |
| 13:08.39 | Industrial | i know how lag works |
| 13:08.48 | sag_ich_nicht | apparently you don't. :) |
| 13:09.14 | Industrial | you keep sending that you want to cast |
| 13:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | nope. |
| 13:09.19 | Industrial | you keep getting back you cant yet |
| 13:09.22 | sag_ich_nicht | nope. |
| 13:09.33 | Industrial | explain proplerly then |
| 13:09.55 | Industrial | timeline, what happens |
| 13:09.57 | sag_ich_nicht | the client doesn't bother the server with the "i wanna cast" because it see from it's local data that it is already casting |
| 13:10.05 | sag_ich_nicht | *it sees |
| 13:11.46 | sag_ich_nicht | button press-->spellcast sent to server.-->server recieves spellcast event(200 ms delay from the client here), starts his castbar. send back "okay casting" to client.--> |
| 13:12.22 | Industrial | it only sends the first spellcast? |
| 13:12.32 | sag_ich_nicht | client recieves casting event(200ms delay from the server), local castbar started now.(near simultanous, less than 1 ms delay) |
| 13:12.34 | Wobin | er |
| 13:12.53 | Wobin | taking latency of the castbar into consideration only works if you use /stopcasting |
| 13:12.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin yes |
| 13:13.02 | sag_ich_nicht | we are talking about this |
| 13:13.12 | Wobin | button mashing won't work =) |
| 13:13.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial thinks it's enough if you mash the button |
| 13:13.15 | Wobin | oh |
| 13:13.26 | Wobin | yeah, it's not going to let you 'cast' til -your- castbar finishes |
| 13:13.30 | Wobin | or you hit /stopcasting |
| 13:13.35 | Industrial | .. why :| |
| 13:13.35 | sag_ich_nicht | wobin |
| 13:13.37 | sag_ich_nicht | stop interrupting me |
| 13:13.39 | sag_ich_nicht | and let me finish |
| 13:13.53 | krka | drama! |
| 13:13.55 | sag_ich_nicht | in case you now try to cast another spell during you casting this happens: |
| 13:14.11 | Industrial | WHY *lifts hands at sky* |
| 13:14.27 | Wobin | You need to shake your fist |
| 13:14.42 | sag_ich_nicht | button press-->client checks if local castbar exists. finds local cast bar. does not send an event to server.-->"Another action is in progress." |
| 13:16.07 | Industrial | I understand that it saves bandwidth but thats pretty uncool :/ |
| 13:16.07 | sag_ich_nicht | also Industrial it's because that's the way it's implemented atm. else you could flood the server with events by pressing the button |
| 13:16.12 | Wobin | You have to realise that the actual casting call is affected by the latency. You hit cast, it takes, say 400ms (your latency) to get to the server, the server starts the cast, sends back a 'okay you're casting now' that takes another 400ms to get back to you, your castbar begins |
| 13:16.26 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly |
| 13:16.42 | Wobin | meanwhile, on the server, your spell is being cast |
| 13:16.55 | Wobin | and will finish 400ms faster than your local bar |
| 13:17.03 | Wobin | or something like that =) |
| 13:17.12 | sag_ich_nicht | thus |
| 13:17.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:01] <sag_ich_nicht> think casting just 2.5 second casts, that means after 31.25 seconds you have lost 1 cast to latency, assuming you have a rather normal latency of 200 ms |
| 13:17.24 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:03] <purl> sag_ich_nicht meant: now think a latency of 400 ms, now you have already lost 2 casts |
| 13:17.29 | Wobin | 3.125? =) |
| 13:17.50 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm? |
| 13:17.54 | Wobin | don't mind me |
| 13:17.58 | Industrial | ok so, you can use /stopcasting? |
| 13:18.01 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.07 | Wobin | (It's true) |
| 13:18.13 | Josh_Borke | does not |
| 13:18.19 | Wobin | In australia it does |
| 13:18.21 | Industrial | can you do that automatically? |
| 13:18.24 | Wobin | Really really does |
| 13:18.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial no. |
| 13:18.26 | Wobin | Industrial: no |
| 13:18.27 | Nom- | lol it's not that perfect either |
| 13:18.28 | Josh_Borke | liar |
| 13:18.31 | Wobin | not any more |
| 13:18.45 | Wobin | it takes a hardware command now to effect stopcasting |
| 13:18.57 | Wobin | Nom-: It does help though |
| 13:18.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial yeah you just macro all your spells and put /stopcasting in front of them, but you won't be able to button mash anymore with that |
| 13:19.01 | Nom- | It's *at least* 0.5 seconds longer per cast when you don't use /stopcasting |
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| 13:19.12 | Nom- | I suppose it probably is purely latency dependant tho |
| 13:19.16 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:19.17 | Nom- | I have a 500 - 600 ping normally |
| 13:19.19 | sag_ich_nicht | and risk timing it badly and actually really canceling the cast |
| 13:19.22 | Industrial | sag_ich_nicht: you can make a local castingbar tho |
| 13:19.28 | Industrial | without lag |
| 13:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | it's called quartz. |
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| 13:20.03 | Industrial | no, quartz can do that* |
| 13:20.06 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 13:20.20 | Wobin | what? |
| 13:20.21 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me, i forgot macroing my judgement spell. again. |
| 13:20.24 | Wobin | Quartz does do that =) |
| 13:20.57 | sag_ich_nicht | bad paladin, no cookie >< |
| 13:21.07 | Wraanger | anyone know a way to make eePanels remember panel levels ? |
| 13:22.21 | Industrial | What modules do i need to remove to only get that functionality? |
| 13:22.39 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't remove modules. |
| 13:22.40 | sag_ich_nicht | nub. |
| 13:22.41 | Wraanger | ie ..i got 2 panels parented to Pitbul player frame ..one is for background, 1 is for "border" .... but every time i log it seemsto reset the level setting of the panels |
| 13:23.01 | Industrial | scuse me? |
| 13:23.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Wraanger looks like your layout-cache.txt is buggy |
| 13:23.04 | Industrial | Ill remove whatever I want |
| 13:23.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial no u don't! |
| 13:23.16 | Industrial | i removed ur mom |
| 13:23.20 | Industrial | >_> |
| 13:23.24 | sag_ich_nicht | noes |
| 13:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | bring her back |
| 13:23.34 | Wobin | Well indy, if you want to remove modules... then you figure it out yourself =P |
| 13:23.43 | Wraanger | so, to solve this I need to nuke the txt or ... ? |
| 13:23.47 | Industrial | disable, remove, same thing |
| 13:23.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Wraanger edit it. |
| 13:23.56 | Wobin | use /quartz |
| 13:24.03 | Industrial | why? |
| 13:24.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial christ just use /quartz menu |
| 13:24.09 | sag_ich_nicht | or was it /quartz waterfall |
| 13:24.11 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno anymore |
| 13:24.16 | Wobin | just /quartz |
| 13:24.22 | Industrial | rofl its a simple question |
| 13:24.22 | sag_ich_nicht | w/e |
| 13:24.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial: we can not answer it |
| 13:24.31 | sag_ich_nicht | especially |
| 13:24.38 | sag_ich_nicht | since you did not install quart |
| 13:24.40 | sag_ich_nicht | z |
| 13:24.42 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 13:24.43 | Industrial | I did |
| 13:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 13:24.58 | sag_ich_nicht | then just go play around with it |
| 13:24.59 | Industrial | stop pelase, im serious. |
| 13:25.00 | sag_ich_nicht | geez |
| 13:25.17 | sag_ich_nicht | just. play. around. with. it. we don't know what the hell you want. |
| 13:25.17 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 13:25.24 | The_GoldFish | it's true |
| 13:25.39 | The_GoldFish | speaking of, back to dicking around with Lua, hehe |
| 13:26.19 | Industrial | fine. Ill do it myself. |
| 13:26.27 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the spirit. |
| 13:27.02 | The_GoldFish | I typically assume that no one has a clue what I'd want and think I have to do everything myself |
| 13:27.06 | zenzelezz | will have to remember that the next time you're looking for help sag =) |
| 13:27.25 | Wraanger | strange ...there ARE the levels I need in eePanels SV ...nothig resemble the eePanel setting in layout-cache.txt .... BUT ..it does NOT make the levels what they are in SV =( |
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| 13:27.55 | TS|Skrom | Anyone ever used Microsoft Virtual Machine 2007? |
| 13:28.00 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 13:28.04 | sag_ich_nicht | don't touch it |
| 13:28.06 | deltron | yes |
| 13:28.08 | sag_ich_nicht | use VMWare. |
| 13:28.09 | deltron | what he said |
| 13:28.16 | deltron | vmware is VASTLY superior |
| 13:28.32 | Wobin | hm vmware eh? |
| 13:28.33 | deltron | also, howdy TS|Skrom |
| 13:28.37 | TS|Skrom | hey hey |
| 13:28.39 | The_GoldFish | yeah |
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| 13:28.43 | The_GoldFish | another vote for VMware here |
| 13:28.46 | The_GoldFish | not that I'd use either |
| 13:28.46 | TS|Skrom | is vmware just as free? ;O |
| 13:28.46 | The_GoldFish | heh |
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| 13:28.52 | The_GoldFish | nope |
| 13:28.55 | Nom- | there is a free version of vmware |
| 13:28.58 | Nom- | but it doesn't let you do much |
| 13:29.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Wraanger find out the name of frames that eepanels creates |
| 13:29.02 | The_GoldFish | is there? my mistake |
| 13:29.09 | TS|Skrom | guess I'll stick with VM then lol |
| 13:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | then adjust the level in layout-cache.txt |
| 13:29.20 | Wraanger | eePanel1, eePAnel 2 etc |
| 13:29.41 | TS|Skrom | I installed a windows 98 vm last night ^^ |
| 13:30.01 | TS|Skrom | played some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer:_Dark_Omen til 2:30 |
| 13:30.05 | Wobin | how effective would it be to use vmware to play games? =) |
| 13:30.17 | deltron | Wobin: as long as they aren't 3d :) |
| 13:30.45 | Wobin | I might as well just bite the bullet and put dual boot on this computer |
| 13:30.51 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
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| 13:31.02 | deltron | orly sag_ich_nicht? |
| 13:31.06 | TS|Skrom | MS VM seemed to work okay for what I wanted it for, what's the differences? |
| 13:31.08 | deltron | I never really bothered heh |
| 13:31.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ya rly deltron |
| 13:31.19 | deltron | TS|Skrom: snapshots! |
| 13:31.26 | The_GoldFish | VMware is great for coding and just generally dicking about |
| 13:31.27 | sag_ich_nicht | TS|Skrom one sucks at hardware emulation, the other does not |
| 13:31.28 | sag_ich_nicht | also snapshots |
| 13:31.47 | The_GoldFish | plus you can use it to have multiple IPs on the same network card |
| 13:31.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ms virtual machine fails at emulating VESA properly |
| 13:31.54 | TS|Skrom | how so? I'm not trying to sound dumb but I've never messed with this stuff before |
| 13:32.01 | The_GoldFish | so it's great for your all in one server needs, heh |
| 13:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | try playing albion in MS Virtual Machine |
| 13:32.14 | sag_ich_nicht | it will not work |
| 13:32.20 | sag_ich_nicht | because of the broken VESA support |
| 13:33.37 | TS|Skrom | i see |
| 13:34.16 | Wobin | so which vmware product should I be looking at? |
| 13:34.22 | TS|Skrom | I tried dark omen (worked perfectly), Revenant (installs and loading screen comes up but it just sits there indefinately) and birth of the federation (installs, loads, gets to the main menu but everything locks up at that point) |
| 13:34.50 | TS|Skrom | if I could figure out how to get my cd drive to show up when I boot to ms-dos I will try Privateer 2 |
| 13:34.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin: VMWare Workstation |
| 13:35.02 | sag_ich_nicht | unless you want to run a virtual server |
| 13:35.02 | TS|Skrom | anything that can get that game working for me again is aces in my book |
| 13:35.16 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 13:35.19 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht: Thankee |
| 13:35.45 | The_GoldFish | dosbox not get you anywhere? |
| 13:35.45 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 13:35.45 | sag_ich_nicht | TS|Skrom: mscdex |
| 13:36.00 | TS|Skrom | I figured as much but it's been so long XD |
| 13:36.36 | TS|Skrom | when 98 boots into ms-dos mode it reads from c:\config.sys and autoexec.bat for it's settings right? |
| 13:36.44 | sag_ich_nicht | nah |
| 13:37.01 | sag_ich_nicht | that only happens if you go to dos mode DIRECTLY using F7 during boot |
| 13:37.11 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise it reads in from config.dos and autoexec.dos |
| 13:37.20 | TS|Skrom | ahha |
| 13:37.38 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:36] <sag_ich_nicht> that only happens if you go to dos mode DIRECTLY using F7 during boot <--which you can only do if you had a pure dos 6.22 install and installed 98 SE over it btw. |
| 13:38.03 | TS|Skrom | ahh no, I installed onto the VM from a 98SE iso |
| 13:38.19 | The_GoldFish | blah |
| 13:38.24 | The_GoldFish | I wanna know if my lua explodes |
| 13:38.26 | sag_ich_nicht | and ONLY if installed it by booting to dos 6.22, then going to the CD drive and then running setup.exe there |
| 13:38.28 | The_GoldFish | stupid servers being down still |
| 13:38.35 | sag_ich_nicht | +you |
| 13:39.00 | sag_ich_nicht | in which case Win 98 SE will upgrade your dos installation properly |
| 13:39.06 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise it will just overwrite it |
| 13:39.17 | sag_ich_nicht | and all your nifty dos tools get worthless. |
| 13:39.31 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 13:39.34 | sag_ich_nicht | i meant F8 during boot |
| 13:39.35 | sag_ich_nicht | not F7 |
| 13:39.36 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 13:39.52 | The_GoldFish | yeah I wasn't going to say anything |
| 13:39.52 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 13:41.21 | sag_ich_nicht | the problem with this is, you won't be able to get your CD drive to work in DOS until you install windows |
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| 13:42.32 | sag_ich_nicht | so, you have to manually plug mscdex into it, add it to autoexec.bat, boot, delete it(because windows will overwrite it with it's own version), edit the autoexec.bat back to normal and then proceed with the install |
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| 13:42.52 | sag_ich_nicht | unless of course, you can find original dos drivers for the virtual machine cd rom driver |
| 13:42.56 | sag_ich_nicht | might even exist, i dunno |
| 13:44.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp, do. |
| 13:44.15 | sag_ich_nicht | found on the vmware site, nice. |
| 13:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 13:48.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's taking the premade copies so long |
| 13:48.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 13:49.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | at this rate i'll get it copied just in time for the ptr to go down |
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| 13:56.06 | Wraanger | who know what this means ? ["frame"] = { |
| 13:56.06 | Wraanger | [0] = nil --[[ skipped userdata ]], |
| 13:56.06 | Wraanger | }, |
| 13:56.21 | Wraanger | it is in eePanels SV file .... |
| 13:56.38 | Josh_Borke | Wraanger: it means that the ['frame'] is a reference to a widget |
| 13:56.47 | krka | someone put a frame in their SV |
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| 13:57.50 | Wraanger | the thing is ..that on other char, there are no such things in eePAnels SV...and the panels levels persist ....... on this char, this shit is in Sv and panels levels are not saved =( |
| 13:58.21 | Wraanger | and I don't know what to do to get rid of it .... tried to manually delete it ...on next log out it's back there =( |
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| 14:06.10 | TS|Skrom | How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 14:06.25 | TS|Skrom | BANANA! |
| 14:08.16 | zenzelezz | we have no bananas today |
| 14:10.20 | Kaso | Wraanger, the best bet would just be to reset the settings for that charater then start again, i dont know the addon so i cant offer any better advice |
| 14:13.33 | TS|Skrom | I love when someone puts "(Not Newb)" in their forum post |
| 14:13.43 | TS|Skrom | because it's always a guaranteed laugh |
| 14:13.49 | Nom- | lol |
| 14:14.04 | Nom- | I really don't know why they bother putting up PTR's |
| 14:14.23 | Nom- | I can never find any groups for anything |
| 14:14.26 | Nom- | So what's the point? |
| 14:14.37 | Wobin | it's for epeen competition |
| 14:14.46 | Wobin | "My premade is more l33t than yours" |
| 14:15.06 | Nom- | pfft |
| 14:15.11 | Nom- | I don't even have a premade on there |
| 14:15.35 | Nom- | I copied my 70's, expecting there might be an item vendor on there so I could do some sexy modelling of T5 or T6 |
| 14:16.38 | Wobin | well the not finding groups isn't something that Blizzard can control |
| 14:16.50 | art3mis | for furture reference all horde warlocks will now be called hordelocks |
| 14:17.01 | Wobin | horlocks |
| 14:17.03 | art3mis | just to avoid confusion with thier weaker and easy to til alliance counterparts |
| 14:17.05 | TS|Skrom | that's rather arbitrary |
| 14:17.21 | TS|Skrom | wait a second... |
| 14:17.23 | art3mis | s/til/kill/ |
| 14:17.28 | TS|Skrom | it's tuesday and the forums are working wtf |
| 14:17.36 | TS|Skrom | I feel like my whole life has been turned upside down |
| 14:17.43 | Wobin | Sign of the Apocalypse |
| 14:17.48 | art3mis | it's reverse day |
| 14:17.56 | art3mis | didnt you not get the un memo? |
| 14:18.06 | Wobin | Counter sign of the Apocalypse |
| 14:18.16 | zenzelezz | Now Redux? |
| 14:18.25 | art3mis | heh the flashing blinker of the apocalypse ;P |
| 14:18.42 | Wobin | Turn Signal of the Apocalypse |
| 14:18.51 | art3mis | no flashing blinker |
| 14:18.53 | TS|Skrom | Sin/Cos of the Apocalypse |
| 14:18.59 | art3mis | because it's bound to come from florida |
| 14:19.01 | art3mis | ;) |
| 14:19.26 | Wobin | night all |
| 14:19.33 | art3mis | seeya robin |
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| 14:23.52 | Nom- | They should ditch premades altogether I reckon :( |
| 14:24.22 | Nom- | Sure, it lets the kiddies have a play (i myself wouldn't mind trying out a level 70 warlock), but it doesn't promote testing |
| 14:24.52 | Nom- | They should have a hall of gear vendors instead, and an NPC which gives a repeatable quest for 1000g (nothing to do) |
| 14:25.13 | Nom- | So that (presumably) experienced 70's can transfer accross, gear themselves up to the appropriate level, and test content |
| 14:25.41 | Nom- | So for instance, testing week 1 might have a "Hall of Karazhan and Arena/PvP" which lets you buy all that gear |
| 14:26.01 | Nom- | Then week 2 might be "hall of SSC/The Eye" |
| 14:26.03 | Nom- | etc etc |
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| 14:27.17 | Nom- | And all character copies should result in naked characters |
| 14:27.23 | Nom- | Just to force the testing at the intended level |
| 14:27.54 | zenzelezz | then they could just offer naked 70s instead, no point copying |
| 14:28.18 | Nom- | Yes there is...because then you get experienced players |
| 14:28.34 | zenzelezz | don't need experience to hit 70 |
| 14:28.40 | Nom- | I mean...me rolling a 70 warlock on the PTR is no more useful than a level 10 gnome mage rolling a level 70 warrior |
| 14:29.08 | Nom- | Well, the majority of player who have hit level 70 will have at least some grasp of how to play their class though |
| 14:29.44 | Nom- | Even if they suck at it, they'll know that a frostbolt is meant to do frost damage for instance (i know a really obvious example, but you get my point, i hope) |
| 14:30.53 | The_GoldFish | plus you've probably teamed with good [other class]es, so you probably have some idea of what you ought to be doing, just working out how to do it, how all the skills etc fit in |
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| 14:33.30 | The_GoldFish | forcing people into classes they have on their main realms seems a bit unwise though |
| 14:42.30 | Nom- | Noone is forcing anyone to play on the PTR in the first place though |
| 14:42.45 | Nom- | My point is that allowing them to play any class they want defeats the purpose of testing :) |
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| 14:50.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Nom-> They should ditch premades altogether I reckon :( |
| 14:50.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Nom-> Sure, it lets the kiddies have a play (i myself wouldn't mind trying out a level 70 warlock), but it doesn't promote testing |
| 14:50.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd like to dispute this heavily |
| 14:50.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's nothing to test really that can't easily be done with premades |
| 14:50.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's nothing new that would entice people to play on the PTR |
| 14:50.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | except premades |
| 14:51.32 | TS|Skrom | wtf |
| 14:51.47 | TS|Skrom | I go from one second being able to resolve a particular host to the next not being able to |
| 14:52.11 | TS|Skrom | tracert 1 completes, tracert 2 to the same exact url fails to resolve target system name |
| 14:52.12 | Kaso | that is true, 5000 people not deliberatly testing still find more bugs than 50 people deliberalty testing |
| 14:53.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got no reason to be on the ptr until my premade copies through |
| 14:53.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i have a 70 |
| 14:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's pretty much nothing to focus test |
| 14:53.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | with 2.0 i would agree that it was important for the new trees to be tested by those skilled at their class |
| 14:54.01 | deltron | heh |
| 14:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but now that we're past new talent trees premades are a good thing |
| 14:54.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially once voice chat hits |
| 14:54.16 | deltron | it's kinda strange that I have skills that should be talented available to me |
| 14:54.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | to stress test the voice servers |
| 14:54.21 | deltron | but I think that's just something in the PTR |
| 14:54.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i think some of the characters they copied already had talent points in or something |
| 14:55.07 | deltron | it was 0/0/0 |
| 14:55.08 | End | considering what they are testing, I'm not entirely sure how premades help |
| 14:55.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are they testing, end? |
| 14:55.25 | deltron | I had all 4 of my premades made before it was well known |
| 14:55.31 | End | Zul'Aman at the moment |
| 14:55.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | no? |
| 14:55.35 | End | from what it sounded like |
| 14:55.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | zul aman isn't on the ptr |
| 14:55.38 | End | or is that out yet? |
| 14:55.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not hitting until 2.3 |
| 14:55.41 | End | well, hrm |
| 14:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | or possibly later |
| 14:56.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no reason not to have premades |
| 14:56.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | even for zul'aman testing |
| 14:56.35 | End | if you want to know from 10 very well geared people who don't know how to play their class, sure |
| 14:56.51 | End | (to be fair, a decent amount do just their class) |
| 14:57.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they dont' -have- to be very well geared |
| 14:57.21 | jme | "The instance will also have multiple quest givers outside the instance for events that occur inside such as rescue missions that give better rewards based on how quick you accomplish the task." |
| 14:57.26 | End | ok, 10 okay geared people who dont know how to play their class :P |
| 14:57.27 | jme | zul'aman is going to have a timer? |
| 14:57.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell they may give them somewhere on the minimum gear requirement for ZA when it's implemented |
| 14:57.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | how's that different than Zul'Aman on live servers, end :P |
| 14:57.57 | End | so they aren't tuning the difficulty on the ptr at all? |
| 14:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not in yet |
| 14:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | it won't be until at least 2.3 |
| 14:58.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.2 is only voice chat really |
| 14:58.13 | End | I don't care, my comment is about premades and ZA |
| 14:58.17 | End | you said premades are fine for ZA |
| 14:58.20 | End | I disagree |
| 14:58.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt they'll use average joe for difficulty tuning anyway |
| 14:58.49 | jme | has there been any info on what kind of gear is going to drop in zul'aman? |
| 14:59.01 | deltron | jme: none yet |
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| 14:59.07 | deltron | ZA's not going to be in 2.2 anyways |
| 14:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably tier 4.5 |
| 14:59.13 | jme | deltron: yeah i know |
| 14:59.17 | jme | Mr_Rabies2: that's what i was thinking |
| 14:59.28 | End | ZA will probably mirror ZG pretty significantly |
| 14:59.38 | End | :P |
| 15:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | kara's not too different from ZG |
| 15:00.20 | jme | i wasn't around in the ZG days |
| 15:00.24 | zenzelezz | just less trolls :-( |
| 15:00.43 | End | kara is pretty similar yea |
| 15:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's gonna be a bear mount in ZA |
| 15:00.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 15:00.56 | deltron | ZG was fun |
| 15:01.02 | deltron | but man, I raided that way too much |
| 15:01.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't do much ZG |
| 15:01.14 | deltron | we can probably 5-man it nowadays |
| 15:01.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had no reason |
| 15:01.22 | End | I remember my guild strongly resisting ZG initially |
| 15:01.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was already in tier 2 when ZG hit |
| 15:01.26 | jme | maybe i can get a pally to 70 and geared before ZA, heh |
| 15:01.46 | End | er, didn't ZG come out when BWL did....? |
| 15:01.51 | End | or was it the patch right after |
| 15:01.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | after |
| 15:02.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i...think |
| 15:02.35 | End | yeah |
| 15:02.37 | End | I checked |
| 15:02.42 | End | BWL was 1.6, ZG was 1.7 |
| 15:02.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 15:03.01 | End | I thought ZG came out at the same time as another dungeon, but my mind might be making stuff up |
| 15:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwl was almost finished before MC |
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| 15:03.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they turned around and basically took mc from 20% to 100% before release |
| 15:03.33 | zenzelezz | I started playing the same week as 1.8.4 o_O |
| 15:03.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and bwl sat there waiting at 90% or so until 1.6 |
| 15:03.55 | End | hmm, we got AB the same as ZG though |
| 15:04.17 | End | hmm, and apparently before 1.7, the debuff limit was 8 :-O |
| 15:04.39 | zenzelezz | less DoTs! |
| 15:04.42 | End | hehe |
| 15:05.04 | zenzelezz | Your Taunt failed. No more room. |
| 15:05.16 | zenzelezz | or "space" |
| 15:05.26 | deltron | lol |
| 15:05.33 | deltron | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm |
| 15:08.47 | The_GoldFish | pretty sure staying in a hotel on the budget for that show was probably more perilous than being outside in a tent |
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| 15:14.53 | deltron | survivorman is better |
| 15:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | against Man Vs. Wild? |
| 15:15.30 | deltron | yeah |
| 15:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | I agree. Survivorman is alone. Man vs. Wild has his whole camera crew with him, he's never "alone". |
| 15:16.43 | deltron | yep |
| 15:17.57 | Lopeppeppy | So Man vs. Wild does nuttier things, like jump into quicksand to show us how to get out safely.... but at very little actual risk to himself. Survivorman doesn't do crazy crap, because he could actually... like... die if he did. |
| 15:18.38 | The_GoldFish | that's like saying what to do if you got hit by a bus, vs, look left and right so you don't get hit by a bus |
| 15:18.39 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 15:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'd prefer "here's how not to get yourself screeeewed over. |
| 15:19.27 | The_GoldFish | sounds like arachnoids in CoV |
| 15:19.29 | The_GoldFish | SKREEEE |
| 15:19.29 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 15:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | If it goes "skreeeeee", you're going to die. Survivorman avoids deadlythings. He's a wee bit brighter than Mister Man vs Wild, who will do anything on a dare. |
| 15:20.34 | The_GoldFish | really you want the benefit of both |
| 15:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sure. And I watch 'em both. I just respect Survivorman a bit more, for his more practical approach and the actual dangers he faces. |
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| 15:22.24 | The_GoldFish | certainly agree there |
| 15:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | Didja know it's Shark Week again? |
| 15:23.23 | deltron | that is this week? |
| 15:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | IIRC, yup. Their "star" special is about the Indianapolis sinking. |
| 15:23.45 | End | Shark weak? |
| 15:23.51 | End | er |
| 15:23.52 | End | week |
| 15:23.53 | deltron | yeah |
| 15:24.00 | End | o_O |
| 15:24.00 | deltron | that was always an interesting story |
| 15:24.01 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: thank you very much! :) |
| 15:24.08 | zenzelezz | Loan Shark Week |
| 15:24.26 | Lopeppeppy | You're awesomely welcome, Cairenn! |
| 15:24.30 | deltron | shark week is a special on discovery channel where they showcase a lot of shows about sharks |
| 15:24.39 | zenzelezz | we know |
| 15:24.45 | ny | night,all |
| 15:24.49 | zenzelezz | it was shark week like 50 weeks a year some years ago |
| 15:24.52 | Cairenn | it's posted, just need slouken to switch stickpins - I've emailed him asking him to do so |
| 15:25.35 | End | shark? http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=134&Set=64 |
| 15:25.51 | deltron | lol |
| 15:25.55 | deltron | I love that comic |
| 15:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, Cairenn. I look forward to seeing it up there in lights. :) |
| 15:26.39 | Lopeppeppy | Last year, Discovery featured the real story behind all the Jaws stuff... or was it the year before? I was moving last summer, so I'm a weee mixed up on things. |
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| 15:26.50 | deltron | don't remember |
| 15:27.38 | The_GoldFish | oh hell yes |
| 15:27.44 | The_GoldFish | I'm the *only person* in all of STV |
| 15:27.49 | The_GoldFish | gonna fish up some kick ass stuff \o/ |
| 15:28.41 | deltron | lol |
| 15:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | I need more manafishes, I really have to go get some. |
| 15:30.54 | deltron | I wish fishing didn't suck to level |
| 15:31.06 | The_GoldFish | it doesn't |
| 15:31.07 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 15:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | I find it easier on an RP server, two people do it together and have a great conversation. |
| 15:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | Or just read a book while you do it, that works too. Me and FishingAce have some good times. |
| 15:32.16 | zenzelezz | I'm a loner, I enjoyed leveling fishing |
| 15:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a chatterbox, I like to talk to people. So I'd tell stories in my Guild Channel while I was fishing, it was neat. |
| 15:32.45 | The_GoldFish | somehow |
| 15:32.55 | The_GoldFish | I've made 200g in 3 days and all I've really been doing is fishing |
| 15:33.00 | The_GoldFish | of course |
| 15:33.05 | The_GoldFish | I only *have* 200g |
| 15:33.19 | zenzelezz | I enjoy talking to the right people about the right thing, but that doesn't happen too often |
| 15:33.28 | zenzelezz | so I mostly just shut up and make cheap shots on guild chat |
| 15:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | If you catch the right fish, you can make money. And if you catch the right person, zenzelezz, the friendships can be priceless. |
| 15:34.02 | zenzelezz | oh I know, I've met a few special people that way |
| 15:34.15 | zenzelezz | of course they're all halfway around the world in some direction, but still fun to talk to |
| 15:34.33 | The_GoldFish | I'm not really even catching fish, I'm catching mageweave, heh |
| 15:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | With an internet connection and a Vent server, I talk to my Canadian best friend more often than I do my family. |
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| 15:35.56 | zenzelezz | I'm not much of a (voice-chat) talker... was a common joke in my old guild that I couldn't be made raid leader cause I'd talk everyone's ears off |
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| 15:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not much for it either, zenzelezz, I'm quite shy. But with a few people, it's okay. |
| 15:38.47 | Nom- | omg gg crash |
| 15:38.51 | deltron | lol |
| 15:38.59 | Nom- | PTR is about as stable as a jenga tower |
| 15:39.42 | Lopeppeppy | Like my regular game is any more stable? *shrug* At least the PTR admits it's beta. |
| 15:42.44 | zenzelezz | WoW is unstable for you? |
| 15:43.11 | deltron | heh my realm was very unstable many times |
| 15:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | I've been fighting crash errors with Tech Support for like... a month now. It's something in my own game or computer, but they cannot for the life of them imagine what. |
| 15:43.32 | cog|work | client stability ~= server stability |
| 15:43.39 | zenzelezz | my realm has been; but they located the faulty hardware and it was stable as a rock |
| 15:44.00 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: have you run a memory check? |
| 15:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. 5 by 5 on 10 full scans, Cogwheel. |
| 15:44.45 | cog|work | hmm.... overheating video perhaps? |
| 15:45.25 | Nom- | Yeah, WoW itself crashes 1-2 times a day for me |
| 15:45.34 | Nom- | But the PTR client crashed like 3 times in less than an hour |
| 15:45.34 | The_GoldFish | yknow |
| 15:45.36 | The_GoldFish | now you mention it |
| 15:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Case open, fan pointed in, temperatures reading normal anyway. |
| 15:45.38 | cog|work | I find that very odd... |
| 15:45.42 | deltron | my realm is ooooold |
| 15:45.42 | The_GoldFish | I don't think I've ever had WoW crash on me |
| 15:45.53 | Nom- | Happens on a regular basis |
| 15:45.56 | Nom- | Both with and without mods |
| 15:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | And an extra fan installed in the case as well. |
| 15:46.05 | deltron | client crashes on me every once and a while, but it's usually a mod |
| 15:46.06 | cog|work | The only time I've ever crashed wow is when I experience bugs in the addon system |
| 15:46.24 | cog|work | and i'm running on 64-bit vista so the cards are stacked against me >< |
| 15:46.31 | Nom- | Same, cog|work |
| 15:47.37 | deltron | lol |
| 15:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | I wish. *shrug* |
| 15:47.48 | Nom- | any particularly notorious addons for crashes? |
| 15:48.01 | zenzelezz | I don't *think* I've ever had a problem directly caused by WoW... just some graphical problems that I got from many games at the time |
| 15:48.02 | deltron | Omen recently had an infinite loop lol |
| 15:48.03 | Nom- | I run so many that I wouldn't know where to start :/ |
| 15:48.22 | Nom- | I did experience a crash in the PTR with no addons |
| 15:48.31 | Nom- | But now I think about it, i've NEVER run Live without addons |
| 15:48.57 | Lopeppeppy | I've only ever crashed out on one addon, waaaaay back, a bad build of Benecast. |
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| 15:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | My crashes are all system based, most likely, but without a fixable thing to point to. |
| 15:51.10 | zenzelezz | replace |
| 15:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya. It's in the works, browsing NewEgg and such like for parts. |
| 15:51.38 | Nom- | I should clean our my addons and start again :) |
| 15:51.45 | Nom- | I have a habit of doing that every so often |
| 15:51.55 | Nom- | Mainly because they get so out of date due to having nothing to keep them all up to date |
| 15:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nom-, that's never a bad idea every once in a while. Spring cleaning does the heart good. |
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| 15:52.16 | zenzelezz | I think I've discovered half of the addons I use from the "Latest 100" (or 20 or however many it is) box on WoWI's front page |
| 15:52.26 | The_GoldFish | considering I've recoded some of my most used addons, I'd be screwed if I did that, hehe |
| 15:52.47 | Lopeppeppy | I find a lot of mine there as well, old favorites I'd thought long dead -- Ephemeral and Lore... |
| 15:52.50 | Nom- | I have so many addons tho, that's the only problem |
| 15:52.57 | The_GoldFish | lol |
| 15:53.05 | Nom- | my addons folder is over 100MB |
| 15:53.28 | zenzelezz | I have about five to ten addons depending on which character |
| 15:53.39 | zenzelezz | and some of those I don't even use |
| 15:53.40 | Nom- | 155 folders not counting Blizzards' |
| 15:53.52 | The_GoldFish | 48 meg here |
| 15:53.52 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 15:54.07 | TS|Skrom | 102meg |
| 15:54.08 | The_GoldFish | but a lot are turned off |
| 15:54.15 | Nom- | All mine are turned on :) |
| 15:54.19 | zenzelezz | of files or memory? |
| 15:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'm running light due to my crashes erasing all my Saved Variables.... 25 tops, which includes my Fubar Plugins. |
| 15:54.24 | Nom- | That's files |
| 15:54.30 | Nom- | Memory isn't too bad...about 60MB now |
| 15:54.45 | Nom- | actually 90MB now, but that's coz i'm doing an Auctioneer scan |
| 15:54.49 | zenzelezz | my memory usage is about 10 MB right now, higher than usually |
| 15:54.57 | zenzelezz | tend to be about half that |
| 15:54.58 | TS|Skrom | 102 mb of files, around 45 of memory |
| 15:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is around 20-30, depending on what's in use on what characters doing what and when. |
| 15:55.26 | The_GoldFish | considering WoW isn't exactly the most memory intensive app |
| 15:55.27 | End | my AddOns folder is 140 MB :O |
| 15:55.33 | The_GoldFish | I'm not sure it really matters |
| 15:55.35 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 15:55.47 | End | however, a decent number have svn bits attached |
| 15:55.53 | End | which doubles that size of those specific addons |
| 15:56.27 | End | oh |
| 15:56.40 | End | and apparently I included my old AddOns folder on accident in addition |
| 15:56.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 15:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's a bit of math error there. :) |
| 15:56.55 | End | yeha |
| 15:56.57 | End | yeah |
| 15:56.58 | End | a bit :P |
| 15:57.06 | End | 73 MB |
| 15:57.09 | End | that's a bit better |
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| 15:58.00 | The_GoldFish | also trying to work out what a low level tank would prefer, +5 stam or +3 defence rating (if they were on a budget) |
| 15:58.13 | Nom- | what class ? |
| 15:58.19 | Nom- | and what level ? |
| 15:58.28 | zenzelezz | defense *rating* or pure defense points? |
| 15:58.37 | Nom- | It'll be rating |
| 15:58.41 | zenzelezz | and how low level? |
| 15:58.44 | Nom- | There's nothing with pure +defense any more |
| 15:58.51 | Nom- | (Except talents) |
| 15:58.51 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 15:59.05 | zenzelezz | but he could have calculated 3 defense points for some specific level |
| 15:59.25 | The_GoldFish | lol |
| 15:59.28 | TS|Skrom | lol I love watching Cookie and Admiral Odesyus at Odesyus landing go at it XD |
| 15:59.29 | The_GoldFish | no, just comparing the 2 enchants |
| 15:59.31 | Antiarc|Work | I suspect he's talking about enchants. |
| 15:59.36 | Antiarc|Work | Bingo. |
| 15:59.36 | The_GoldFish | *she's |
| 15:59.37 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 15:59.43 | Antiarc|Work | My mistake :) |
| 15:59.52 | Antiarc|Work | Stamina's likely the more useful enchant. |
| 15:59.53 | zenzelezz | I'd never bother with 3 defense rating at any level |
| 16:00.01 | zenzelezz | at low levels 5 stamina is king |
| 16:00.06 | End | I'd go with stam at this point if I were you |
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| 16:00.15 | The_GoldFish | I'm not using it personally, heh |
| 16:00.30 | End | ok, I'd use stam even if I wasn't you then |
| 16:00.39 | The_GoldFish | basically I'm just getting some suites of enchants together for general character stereotypes |
| 16:00.45 | The_GoldFish | which cost less than 10g, heh |
| 16:00.53 | Nom- | 5 stamina = 50 hitpoints, so yeah...most of the time you'll wnat that |
| 16:01.06 | TS|Skrom | You mean like... "Jewish characters tend to save gold?" |
| 16:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | My Jewish Dwarven priestess is broke. *mourns* |
| 16:02.08 | TS|Skrom | you know what the funny thing about dwarven females is? |
| 16:02.19 | The_GoldFish | there's also the case for 50 armour vs +3 agility |
| 16:02.24 | TS|Skrom | you can actually be around 99% sure that a female dwarf is in fact female IRL |
| 16:02.38 | The_GoldFish | haha |
| 16:02.41 | TS|Skrom | What guy looking for a hot ass to follow around would pick that... |
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| 16:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | Because they're not attractive enough for guys to want to stare at their butts all the time. |
| 16:03.16 | TS|Skrom | I mean even with the hooves, the draenei have the dwarves beat hands down |
| 16:03.22 | The_GoldFish | these mageweave leggins are simply the best leggings I've come across :/ |
| 16:03.34 | Industrial | guys, stare, butt |
| 16:03.37 | Industrial | *reads up* |
| 16:04.21 | The_GoldFish | also |
| 16:04.30 | The_GoldFish | I've noticed a suspicious lack of low level spell caster enchants |
| 16:05.06 | End | that's because at low levels blizzard doesn't believe in +spell damage |
| 16:05.27 | The_GoldFish | or even int |
| 16:05.31 | TS|Skrom | unless y ou are draenei |
| 16:05.43 | End | there's a few int enchants, but I agree |
| 16:06.01 | Industrial | low level ehcnanting costs you your last pennie too |
| 16:06.13 | End | that it is completely backwards too, since enchanting is more popular with casters |
| 16:06.14 | Industrial | unless you have a main |
| 16:06.25 | End | probably because tailoring is a decent pairing with it |
| 16:06.31 | The_GoldFish | bracer, shield, weapon, mixed in with chest +stats |
| 16:06.44 | End | (particularly, a source of greens) |
| 16:06.59 | The_GoldFish | and if you go fishing |
| 16:07.07 | The_GoldFish | a riduclous source of midlevel enchanting mats |
| 16:07.40 | zenzelezz | sometimes I wish I weren't a warrior... gets tedious to be always asked to groups... and then they offer gold and don't understand that I have no desire to go to Arcatraz for the hundredth time |
| 16:07.59 | The_GoldFish | lol |
| 16:08.19 | The_GoldFish | so far though |
| 16:08.27 | The_GoldFish | the only people who'll buy the mats I put up for auction |
| 16:08.31 | End | as a warlock, I always get people asking me if I want to go heroic mech :P |
| 16:08.34 | The_GoldFish | are enchanters trying to grind from 200-280 |
| 16:08.58 | zenzelezz | End: heh |
| 16:09.33 | The_GoldFish | so I'm trying to drum up some enthusiasm for midlevel enchants |
| 16:09.36 | zenzelezz | some guy just offered me 50g to help him get the Arca key fragment; and not long ago some 60 gave me 40g to kill the Drillmaster for him |
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| 16:10.57 | The_GoldFish | what makes you think any other class doesn't get that? |
| 16:10.57 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 16:11.08 | Antiarc|Work | The problem with low-level enchants is that you outgrow the gear quickly |
| 16:11.17 | Antiarc|Work | So there really isn't incentive to enchant anything except twink gear |
| 16:11.26 | zenzelezz | The_GoldFish: just never hear my guildies complain about it except the healers/tanks |
| 16:11.37 | End | I'd probably get people asking if I stil played my druid |
| 16:11.50 | The_GoldFish | twinks only typically get high end enchants |
| 16:12.01 | End | bad thing is, I would get hit by people wanting a healer -and- people wanting a tank :P |
| 16:12.12 | zenzelezz | The_GoldFish: nonsense, haven't you seen all the casuals asking for enchanters for "glow on weapon!" |
| 16:12.23 | The_GoldFish | yeah, that's actaully the point |
| 16:12.27 | The_GoldFish | they just want the end result |
| 16:12.44 | The_GoldFish | if I can sell them a big pile of stats for 6g |
| 16:12.54 | The_GoldFish | it doesn't matter if they outgrow the gear |
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| 16:13.33 | The_GoldFish | hell, I can offer +5 str to bracers for 20s |
| 16:13.33 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 16:13.43 | Antiarc|Work | I had someone demand that I put Mongoose on their weapon for 20g the other day. |
| 16:13.55 | Antiarc|Work | Nevermind that it's 400g worth of mats on my server... :P |
| 16:13.57 | TS|Skrom | I know personally, unless i'm playing an enchanter character I never get things enchanted til I'm EXTREMELY pleased witha particular piece |
| 16:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have to beg my guildies to take the enchantments so I can level up on them.... |
| 16:14.26 | zenzelezz | TS|Skrom: aye |
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| 16:15.20 | zenzelezz | To [begger]: when I was your level we worked for our gear [begger]: yes but im ned it |
| 16:15.21 | TS|Skrom | the only exception was when I was actually playing Skrom and my buddy was an enchanter. He'd do my stuff to level up on. For free of course since I was grinding all his greens anyway hehe |
| 16:15.27 | Antiarc|Work | I would just like to say that 370-375 enchanting is hell. :( |
| 16:15.37 | Antiarc|Work | I ended up doing it with Void Sphere transmutes every 48 hours. |
| 16:15.49 | The_GoldFish | lol |
| 16:15.49 | Antiarc|Work | 80g for the crystals, sell them for 60g or so. |
| 16:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not looking forward to it, Antiarc... but I'm only at 325 because no one will sit still and be enchantable. |
| 16:15.56 | The_GoldFish | anyway every piece of gear on my regular party is enchanted |
| 16:16.14 | The_GoldFish | and it definately helps |
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| 16:16.31 | zenzelezz | my warrior's stuck at 370 blacksmithing because I'm too cheap to farm materials, and to buy any requested plans |
| 16:17.00 | zenzelezz | cheap/lazy to buy/farm... was meant to say both |
| 16:17.49 | End | could be worse, you could have done engineering |
| 16:17.55 | Antiarc|Work | I was an enchanter/engineer. |
| 16:17.57 | zenzelezz | tell me about it |
| 16:17.58 | End | I don't know anyone who even has 375 ...at all |
| 16:18.08 | zenzelezz | I actually gave my engie friend three stacks of eternium bars to help him |
| 16:18.11 | Antiarc|Work | Then I realized that the last time I used engineering was like 3 months ago |
| 16:18.20 | End | The helms are pretty good |
| 16:18.27 | Antiarc|Work | So I dropped it, levelled Herbalism, and now rake in like 100g/day selling random herbs I stumble across. |
| 16:18.28 | End | but you only need like 350ish to make them |
| 16:18.29 | zenzelezz | goggles, not helms :-o |
| 16:18.33 | End | whatever |
| 16:18.34 | End | :P |
| 16:18.52 | End | the 375 epic helm/whatever it is is worthless though |
| 16:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Engineering has always been.... weird in terms of utility. Some people say you can't survive without it, others think it sucks. |
| 16:19.13 | Antiarc|Work | It was a lot better before they nerfed the hell out of it. |
| 16:19.22 | Antiarc|Work | Being unable to use it in the arena was the final nail in the coffin, really. |
| 16:19.28 | End | yeah |
| 16:19.30 | zenzelezz | rogues/hunters should all be goblin engineers |
| 16:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | Heh. |
| 16:19.44 | TS|Skrom | no |
| 16:19.46 | Antiarc|Work | I understand why they did that, but seriously, the only engineering thing I could ever see using outside of the arena was the jumper cables. |
| 16:20.02 | TS|Skrom | there should be one goblin engineer per server, rogues/hunters should be gnome and buy their cables from that one guy |
| 16:20.07 | TS|Skrom | gnome > goblin sadly |
| 16:20.08 | End | lol |
| 16:20.14 | Lopeppeppy | You want to be rezzed, make Vanish work. But I'm not going engineering when I use my potions more than cables ever would. |
| 16:20.20 | zenzelezz | my previous guild used repair bots |
| 16:20.34 | End | repair bots are less useful than they used to be |
| 16:20.36 | zenzelezz | then there's the teleporters |
| 16:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Repair bots can be good for when you're really throwing yourself against an instance to learn it.... |
| 16:20.42 | Antiarc|Work | Repair bots are basically useless now. |
| 16:20.49 | TS|Skrom | repair bots are generic, not gnome or goblin |
| 16:20.52 | zenzelezz | depends where/when you wipe |
| 16:20.53 | Antiarc|Work | Because every instance has an easily-accessable repair guy. |
| 16:21.02 | The_GoldFish | I have a steam tonk |
| 16:21.08 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 16:21.09 | Antiarc|Work | The steam tonks are admittedly fun. |
| 16:21.17 | End | you just need an engy to make them though |
| 16:21.23 | End | (Which is good) |
| 16:21.25 | Antiarc|Work | Great way to pass time with the rest of the rogues while the raid is recovering from a wipe |
| 16:21.29 | zenzelezz | Antiarc|Work: doesn't help if the repair guy is outside and you're way inside blocked by respawns |
| 16:21.35 | End | (but doesn't make engineer more popular as a profession) |
| 16:22.04 | End | how's SSC in terms of that? |
| 16:22.07 | Antiarc|Work | zenzelezz: Sure, there are always cases, but it's just not Molten Core anymore. |
| 16:22.13 | End | are respawns a problem there at all? |
| 16:22.18 | zenzelezz | hehe, I know =) |
| 16:22.20 | Antiarc|Work | 2 hour respawn timer, I believe. |
| 16:22.34 | zenzelezz | End: yes, it can be, at least while you're learning it |
| 16:23.09 | Antiarc|Work | I'll put it this way -- |
| 16:23.24 | Antiarc|Work | Up until 2 weeks ago, I had 2 repair bots in my bags that I had left over from Naxxramas pre-2.0. |
| 16:23.29 | Antiarc|Work | Pre-TBC, rather. |
| 16:23.48 | zenzelezz | it varies from guild to guild |
| 16:23.52 | End | I found a repair bot in my bank a few weeks ago |
| 16:24.16 | Lopeppeppy | We've only used 2 to learn Karazhan, when it was new to us and we didn't have Attumen down yet. |
| 16:28.42 | cog|work | Cide: fwiw, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442927787 |
| 16:29.55 | Cide | thanks, cog|work |
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| 16:39.14 | The_GoldFish | some cheeky troll mage has been fishing :( |
| 16:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | No wai. |
| 16:39.32 | The_GoldFish | fortunately for me, he's an idiot, and is fishing the low level end |
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| 16:39.47 | The_GoldFish | well I guess if he wants heavy leather it's ok |
| 16:39.56 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
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| 17:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 17:19.57 | sag_ich_nicht | wowinterface is now my favorite addon site. |
| 17:21.07 | TS|Skrom | oh? |
| 17:21.52 | sag_ich_nicht | the new design of curse is... well... horrible. |
| 17:22.45 | deltron | heh |
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| 17:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | I avoid curse like... the plague, honestly, since that failed experiment with "maximizing your browser experience" or whatever it was. |
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| 17:27.06 | haste | tbh, the new design makes more sense than the old |
| 17:27.18 | haste | at least I managed to find something for once! |
| 17:30.10 | krka | need help with priest talent tree |
| 17:30.22 | krka | what's best for solo leveling around level 45? |
| 17:30.39 | krka | i basically need survivability |
| 17:31.33 | zenzelezz | my priest went (slowly) from 1-57 on quests using Discipline tree, PW:S, SW:P, wand |
| 17:31.38 | zenzelezz | before BC |
| 17:34.01 | krka | hm i see |
| 17:35.26 | Antiarc|Work | I can't imagine levelling as anything but Shadow. |
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| 17:35.41 | Antiarc|Work | Shadowform mitigation + Inner Fire + Mind Flay is about as survivable as you can get. |
| 17:35.57 | krka | mind flay? that just gets interrupted :/ |
| 17:36.57 | krka | isn't shadow = damage output spec? |
| 17:37.02 | krka | holy = healer in grouå |
| 17:37.21 | krka | not sure about disc |
| 17:38.02 | Antiarc|Work | Mind Flay is a snare, which means that while levelling, mobs spend less time in melee range. |
| 17:38.38 | krka | i never quite got that to work properly |
| 17:38.44 | krka | very short range on it |
| 17:38.48 | Antiarc|Work | 20 yards. |
| 17:39.01 | Antiarc|Work | Shield, mindblast pull, mindflay till mindblast is up, repeat. |
| 17:39.22 | krka | run away to get off a mind flay? |
| 17:39.32 | krka | no SW:P? |
| 17:39.58 | Antiarc|Work | Well, SWP between the blast and the flay, usually |
| 17:40.11 | Antiarc|Work | But no, just keep PW:S up and you can flay to your heart's content |
| 17:40.13 | The_GoldFish | I always SWP then vampiric |
| 17:40.20 | Antiarc|Work | Fear -> flay works well too. |
| 17:40.46 | The_GoldFish | then blast flay flay blast etc |
| 17:40.46 | krka | should i use shadow form or not? |
| 17:40.50 | Antiarc|Work | I usually don't bother with vampiric when solo. The returns given the short fights just don't really seem worth the GCD |
| 17:40.55 | Antiarc|Work | Yes, shadowform is godly. |
| 17:41.09 | krka | but i cant heal :/ |
| 17:41.16 | Antiarc|Work | You don't generally need to |
| 17:41.20 | The_GoldFish | but you can shield |
| 17:41.26 | krka | true |
| 17:41.31 | krka | how do i keep the mana from wasting? |
| 17:41.32 | The_GoldFish | prevention > fixing |
| 17:41.35 | Antiarc|Work | You just heal up between fights that you need to. |
| 17:41.48 | The_GoldFish | you're wasting mana by not using shadowform! |
| 17:42.34 | krka | hm, right |
| 17:43.18 | The_GoldFish | anyway I dunno if I wanna push for shadowform |
| 17:43.30 | The_GoldFish | spirit of redemption sounds ridiculous and also handy |
| 17:43.37 | krka | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZZE00tMxRht |
| 17:43.39 | krka | how does that look? |
| 17:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | It can be useful, The_GoldFish, but if you have lag it can be wasted as well. *shrug* |
| 17:44.05 | The_GoldFish | I usually don't |
| 17:44.13 | krka | spirit of redemption sounds crappy for solo |
| 17:44.16 | The_GoldFish | I'm typically on healing duty but I'm mostly shadow spec |
| 17:44.23 | The_GoldFish | it's a bit pointless really |
| 17:44.23 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 17:44.45 | krka | did i miss any useful talents? |
| 17:44.49 | The_GoldFish | well |
| 17:44.54 | The_GoldFish | I pushed for shadowform at 40 |
| 17:45.01 | The_GoldFish | almost instantly specced out and picked up meditation |
| 17:45.03 | Kaso | <krka> how do i keep the mana from wasting? ( buy some water :> ) |
| 17:45.17 | krka | sure, i could use potions i guess |
| 17:45.38 | The_GoldFish | mainly because I rarely soloed or whatever |
| 17:45.55 | krka | should i invest any points in the other trees? |
| 17:46.00 | Antiarc|Work | I'd do something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZZxMgtMzohtb |
| 17:46.12 | The_GoldFish | well, the 15% mana regen from disciplin is pretty good |
| 17:46.19 | The_GoldFish | and you can pick up some nice enhancements to fort and shield |
| 17:46.47 | krka | shadow weaving is worthless? |
| 17:47.09 | Antiarc|Work | No, but Darkness is a better decision at that level, since it's a flat +10% to your damage |
| 17:47.22 | The_GoldFish | base damage or what |
| 17:47.29 | Antiarc|Work | +10% to shadow damage |
| 17:47.29 | krka | right |
| 17:47.38 | The_GoldFish | yes, base damage or what |
| 17:47.38 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 17:47.40 | krka | i'll go for that then |
| 17:47.41 | Antiarc|Work | Final damage |
| 17:47.47 | Antiarc|Work | 200 mind flay tick -> 220 tick |
| 17:47.47 | krka | hmm |
| 17:47.54 | krka | whatabout improved vampiric? |
| 17:48.06 | Antiarc|Work | Useful, but the points are better elsewhere at your level |
| 17:48.13 | krka | right |
| 17:48.16 | Antiarc|Work | I put them in shadow power for +6% crit to Mind Blast |
| 17:48.25 | krka | ok thanks |
| 17:48.48 | The_GoldFish | I wouldn't have bothered with the crit personally |
| 17:48.59 | Antiarc|Work | It's nice spike damage when soloing. |
| 17:49.18 | The_GoldFish | yeah but on what scale |
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| 17:49.37 | The_GoldFish | is that additional crit chance gonna offset against any of the other +shadow damage |
| 17:50.23 | The_GoldFish | also there's a lot of points being put into mind blast's recharge |
| 17:51.08 | The_GoldFish | it wraps around almost exactly on 2 mind flays with just 2 points, I dunno what you're trying to build for there, interupted flays? |
| 17:55.14 | The_GoldFish | I woulda gone with something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZZxMgtMzohtb and use those last points to 44 getting silence or the extra range or whatever, but I'm certainly no expert |
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| 17:58.20 | krka | i now have 33 points in shadow |
| 17:58.25 | krka | cant decide where to put the rest |
| 17:58.33 | krka | i skipped the critical strike |
| 17:58.44 | Josh_Borke | link your current spec |
| 17:59.10 | krka | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZZxMgtMzoht |
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| 18:03.01 | Cairenn | oh |
| 18:03.02 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 18:03.22 | Cairenn | that is certainly a new look, yes indeed |
| 18:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 18:03.34 | Cairenn | curse |
| 18:03.41 | nevcairiel | i dont like it |
| 18:03.47 | zenzelezz | I thought they changed layouts monthly |
| 18:03.51 | nevcairiel | looks too much like one of those CS communitys |
| 18:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... I'll take a quick peek, even though I shouldn't... |
| 18:05.10 | zenzelezz | hm, I'll make a wild guess that my ISP's spam filter broke down last night |
| 18:05.24 | zenzelezz | had maybe 1 or 2 spam mails/day the last few months, today 30 |
| 18:05.28 | The_GoldFish | krka; if you put like, the lowest level shadow word pain in your bar, you can quickly build up the full magnitude of shadow weaving on a target for almost no mana |
| 18:05.50 | The_GoldFish | so it can be pretty handy, heh |
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| 18:06.32 | The_GoldFish | really dunno why you're pushing the recharge on mind blast tho |
| 18:07.11 | krka | isn't mind blast a pretty good attack? |
| 18:07.28 | The_GoldFish | yeah |
| 18:07.28 | pastamancer | it's not very mana efficient |
| 18:07.34 | The_GoldFish | but you're trying to make an attack chain of sorts |
| 18:08.14 | The_GoldFish | simply having it have a shorter cooldown doesn't necesserily mean you'll use it more often |
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| 18:09.18 | The_GoldFish | maybe when you start rebuying your talents, find something a good few levels lower than you and test out if you really want the full reduction |
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| 18:11.28 | The_GoldFish | I'm running with 2 points in there atm, and I guess unless I get interupted in a mind flay, any extra recharge in mind blast would really be wasted (though maybe if you do stopcasting hax it might be worthwhile) |
| 18:12.33 | pastamancer | I can't really recommend more than 2 points in it either |
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| 18:25.03 | zenzelezz | I'm really loving the Fizzwidget TrackMenu... cleaned up a whole hotbar on my hunter |
| 18:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | I love Fizzwidget, his stuff is awesome. |
| 18:26.15 | Antiarc|Work | The problem with using 5x Rank 1 SW:P to build up Shadow Weaving is that it takes 7.5 seconds worth of GCDs to do so |
| 18:26.24 | zenzelezz | I used to have a sweet Sprocket setup for my hunter... then came 2.0 |
| 18:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | And then came 2.0 |
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| 18:28.17 | Lunessa | Approach Logan 5, and Identify. |
| 18:29.16 | Lunessa | I get all "Logan's Run" every time Freenode wants me to claiom my nick. |
| 18:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | I get that like... half the time from Freenode. *shrug* I am tempted to run screaming "No dis-assemble Johnny 5!" |
| 18:30.32 | Lunessa | ... nice software. |
| 18:31.02 | Kaydeethree | hm? someone change the services messages? |
| 18:31.27 | Lunessa | Just when I log in, freenode wants me to use IDENTIFY |
| 18:31.50 | Lunessa | It makes me feel all Logan's Run - the movie version, not the much cooler, darker and wickedly twisted novel. |
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| 18:32.15 | Kaydeethree | oh, meh. same as always then. I don't even see it any more, xchat auto logs me in, most good mIRC scripts have been doing that for years |
| 18:32.39 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run |
| 18:33.12 | Kaydeethree | good book |
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| 18:38.40 | Kaydeethree | oh, and hahahahahah at wow.com's front page... hover over the pic in the first news article |
| 18:40.05 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 18:40.50 | sag_ich_nicht | but hush Kaydeethree |
| 18:41.14 | Lunessa | :snicker: |
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| 19:06.55 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | TC tells puns too, we have proof: "...we were..."Testing the waters" so to speak" |
| 19:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Has anyone successfully run the PTR client on linux yet? |
| 19:09.20 | Kaso | i cant say ive tried the ptr on linux, what issues have you had? |
| 19:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Locks up instantly on starting |
| 19:09.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Sits there for a few minutes, gives me an error report |
| 19:09.47 | cog|work | Lunessa: Cairenn made a new one... now we have to wait for Slouken |
| 19:10.09 | Lunessa | Ah, thanks cog|work - trying to catch up. |
| 19:11.40 | Cairenn | it needed some loving - Lopeppeppy gave me a hand |
| 19:11.50 | Kaydeethree | ScytheBlade1, fire up winecfg, go to the audio tab and uncheck all of the audio drivers |
| 19:11.54 | Kaydeethree | that'll get it to start, at least |
| 19:11.59 | zenzelezz | you know, out of context that would sound so dirty Cairenn |
| 19:12.04 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, that's what I was afraid of :/ |
| 19:12.32 | Kaydeethree | bleeter got oss to work on his system, but nothing I do can get it to work for me |
| 19:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't even have OSS in my kernel |
| 19:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I got rid of that crap a looong time ago |
| 19:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, yup, that worked.. |
| 19:14.59 | Kaydeethree | we know something's wrong with the audio subsystem, but then winealsa's been iffy for a while. I'm hoping the summer of code project helps if whatever wow devs that play on linux don't come up with a solution first |
| 19:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing that really depresses me - is that I have vent on an XP computer next to me, because I can't get vent to work period on this computer |
| 19:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.2 was going to save me, by doing in-game audio.. and now... :( |
| 19:16.19 | Kaydeethree | weird. 'course, I don't have a mic, but I've had wow and vent running side by side for a long time |
| 19:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not "side by side" for me |
| 19:16.46 | Kaso | Ive gotten vent working on wine also, though the damn push to talk always needed that annoying little hack thing |
| 19:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's "vent at all period" |
| 19:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a quality sound card that supports all I'd ever need |
| 19:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem is vent |
| 19:17.50 | Kaydeethree | do you have the audio codec dlls in your windows/system32 directory? |
| 19:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I did the last time I checked |
| 19:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that I'm running 64-bit linux |
| 19:18.43 | Kaso | ah |
| 19:18.45 | Kaydeethree | oh, ah. couldn't tell you there, I'm still in 32-bit land |
| 19:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It starts up fine |
| 19:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I press "connect" |
| 19:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The people on the server see me connect |
| 19:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But the UI and audio locks up completly, instantly |
| 19:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's somewhat problematic. |
| 19:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't suppose either of you know how to fix the audio buffer underruns in WoW whenever it lags even a little bit? |
| 19:22.28 | Kaydeethree | I wish |
| 19:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I've tried to renice the process(es) |
| 19:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I've tried it all :/ |
| 19:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That is depressing as crap |
| 19:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Having in-game voice and game sounds so close |
| 19:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet utterly broken :/ |
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| 19:50.51 | deltron | I don't like the new audio system |
| 19:50.59 | deltron | most everything runs in slowmo |
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| 19:54.25 | Saint-N | anyone here an exchange admin? |
| 19:55.08 | zenzelezz | exchange admin? |
| 19:55.26 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 19:55.52 | Saint-N | like ms exchange |
| 19:55.52 | deltron | sorry nope |
| 19:56.03 | Beladona | yes |
| 19:56.10 | Saint-N | and scythe: just check that you've got the winders32 codecs... alot of the 32bit support for programs has to be hacked so that they run at all since alot of the 64bit stuff doesnt imp right |
| 19:56.15 | Saint-N | you are bela? |
| 19:56.42 | Saint-N | ScytheBlade1: same sorta deal to get flash and shockwave and stuff running in nix64 |
| 19:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Saint-N, I don't run flash and shockwave on x64 intentionally :) |
| 19:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not complaining about the lack of flash at all :) |
| 19:57.17 | Beladona | yes I admin Exchange servers |
| 19:57.18 | Saint-N | heh its the same sorta of idea though |
| 19:57.20 | Beladona | among other things |
| 19:57.25 | Saint-N | i mean for the audio for a wine vent |
| 19:57.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It is, yeah |
| 19:57.35 | Saint-N | just fake it ;P |
| 19:57.54 | Saint-N | double check the codecs are in, ln em to the 32 bit supposed spot... |
| 19:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | They are |
| 19:59.25 | Saint-N | you could also try forcing a different "bottle" |
| 19:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 20:00.06 | Saint-N | in crossover you can pick the mimic |
| 20:00.13 | Saint-N | ie win2k winxp win95 |
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| 20:00.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on vanilla wine |
| 20:00.33 | Saint-N | im assuming that wine has a switch cli option for that type of thing |
| 20:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes I've tried various versions of windows |
| 20:00.44 | Saint-N | oh |
| 20:00.58 | Saint-N | i can send ya crossover to give that a shot if you'd like when i get home |
| 20:01.05 | krka | you can pick mimic in plain wine too |
| 20:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm only really interested if the sound works with the PTR client :) |
| 20:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't care how it gets done, as long as it gets done :) |
| 20:01.28 | krka | i am getting random freezes with wine now |
| 20:01.30 | krka | rather annoying |
| 20:01.37 | krka | i wonder if it's because i run amd64 now |
| 20:01.40 | krka | worked fine earlier |
| 20:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been getting them too |
| 20:02.51 | Saint-N | been mucking with mepis |
| 20:02.53 | krka | mostly happens when i switch workspaces |
| 20:02.57 | krka | and on reloads |
| 20:02.59 | Saint-N | it seems to like wine stuff the best |
| 20:04.52 | Industrial | beer |
| 20:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Slouken should just release the linux client already :/ |
| 20:06.08 | haste | would be awesome |
| 20:06.17 | Industrial | wait what? |
| 20:06.31 | Industrial | theres a linux client in the making? |
| 20:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | In the making? No |
| 20:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been around since alpha |
| 20:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.brantleyonline.com/wow-linux-proof.txt iirc |
| 20:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | If that 404's I'll look it up |
| 20:08.59 | krka | interesting |
| 20:09.18 | krka | blizzard probably sees it as a big risk, with no real gain |
| 20:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably. |
| 20:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from a lot of happy addon devs, from what I can tell. |
| 20:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | fyi, that wow-linux-proof.txt was my creation, from files I extracted out of the fileplanet beta MPQs |
| 20:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So that's where it came from, but... yeah. |
| 20:11.24 | krka | explains the IsLinux lua function too |
| 20:11.28 | krka | or whatever it was called |
| 20:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:12.18 | krka | but yeah... if you're running the same codebase for windows and mac, adding linux should be fairly little extra work |
| 20:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Especially since Slouken is/was a SDL dev, and WoW uses SDL everywhere. |
| 20:12.49 | krka | they could even ban wine users altogether if they had an official linux client |
| 20:12.55 | krka | should make cheat detection easier |
| 20:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone who wants to cheat will. |
| 20:13.14 | krka | yup, they certainly have the know how |
| 20:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | In linux they have even less power over detection than they do under windows |
| 20:14.19 | krka | but wouldn't it atleast be easier than under wine? |
| 20:14.46 | Saint-N | http://www.askreamaor.com/games/how-to-be-a-really-irritating-mmorpg-player/ |
| 20:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | If you really want to cheat under linux, you run WoW as a user, and "special programs" as root. |
| 20:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Or virtualize WoW and mess with the hypervisor |
| 20:15.05 | krka | or any other user |
| 20:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | You get what I mean |
| 20:16.02 | krka | yeah |
| 20:16.05 | Kaydeethree | Saint-N, heh. I'll have to do #7 at some point |
| 20:16.28 | krka | can you hide running processes in linux? |
| 20:16.38 | Saint-N | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/07/23/the-bible-motivation-poster/ |
| 20:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know how, but I don't know why not |
| 20:16.50 | Saint-N | Kaydeethree: hehe i do the priest charge all the time |
| 20:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And again, there's always virtuilaziont |
| 20:16.57 | Saint-N | and make other guildies fetch me things |
| 20:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *virtuilization |
| 20:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Blah |
| 20:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | VMWare :P |
| 20:17.50 | krka | virtualization? |
| 20:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a headache. Forgive me. |
| 20:18.19 | krka | =) |
| 20:18.25 | krka | or should i say: |
| 20:18.26 | krka | :( |
| 20:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I blame... my headache on the lack of a linux WoW client! |
| 20:19.59 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxHhddwxADs |
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| 20:30.52 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GZxic0VMsVuoZE0xxV |
| 20:31.04 | Industrial | would this get you humongous crits? |
| 20:31.22 | Industrial | and a free 100% crit chain lightning every 3 min... |
| 20:31.36 | Industrial | instant* |
| 20:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a wannabe PoM Pyro mage. ;) |
| 20:33.12 | Industrial | oh, and can heal a bit* |
| 20:33.13 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:37.24 | [dRaCo] | that build is 0/36/25 for me o0 |
| 20:37.33 | Industrial | er |
| 20:37.45 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GE0zycMoAoxZE00x0xo |
| 20:37.49 | Industrial | >_< |
| 20:38.21 | zenzelezz | hrm, I'm a bit too indecisive sometimes... I've recently bought the Leggings of Beast Mastery (epic hunter farm legs) and the plans for Felsteel Reaper... now I have both in my inventory, wondering "do I really want to use these?" |
| 20:39.05 | [dRaCo] | Industrial: it's fine for pvp, but you'll pretty much suck in pve |
| 20:45.39 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: right |
| 20:47.41 | [dRaCo] | get 2 pieces of the dungeon set, if you wanna spec ele |
| 20:47.50 | [dRaCo] | the bonus is totally great. |
| 20:51.36 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8203584259907506685&q=elemental+shaman |
| 20:51.39 | Industrial | :) |
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| 20:54.10 | [dRaCo] | ... that guy's not really skilled. |
| 20:54.35 | [dRaCo] | I can make vids like that, too |
| 20:56.15 | Industrial | havent found any better vids |
| 20:56.15 | Industrial | :P |
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| 20:57.03 | KriLL3 | only odd ppl run a video capture while playing 24/7... |
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| 21:03.38 | zenzelezz | KriLL3: what, you mean you don't have a 500 TB harddisk? |
| 21:03.57 | KriLL3 | nope, sorry :< |
| 21:04.07 | zenzelezz | (or a computer that can seriously encode in real-time) |
| 21:04.12 | KriLL3 | only 0.86TB |
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| 21:26.31 | Shirik | where did everyone go o.o |
| 21:27.11 | Shirik | aah! |
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| 21:29.55 | Shirik | so the 35k ping totally spoiled that |
| 21:29.55 | Shirik | It's almost over though... |
| 21:29.55 | Shirik | I'm happy |
| 21:35.21 | Shirik | Events.handlers[evt][name] = fn; |
| 21:35.21 | Shirik | if name then Events.handlers._table[name] = evt; |
| 21:35.27 | Shirik | what would be an appropriate name for _table ? |
| 21:38.04 | pastamancer | dispatch? |
| 21:38.31 | pastamancer | events? |
| 21:38.51 | pastamancer | watched? |
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| 21:40.01 | Shirik | maybe it's better I say what it does :/ |
| 21:40.08 | pastamancer | maybe :p |
| 21:40.25 | pastamancer | you could just call it "maurice" |
| 21:40.34 | Shirik | this is in a function function RDX.Events.RegisterHandler(name, evt, fn) |
| 21:40.38 | Shirik | (local Events = RDX.Events) |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | you can optionally specify a name for the bind. Later if you want to unbind, you just specify the name to unbind |
| 21:41.15 | Shirik | That table is used to look up where to find it |
| 21:42.42 | Bleeter | krka: "can you hide running processes in linux?" sure, customize the kernel a li'l |
| 21:42.50 | pastamancer | so it's a reverse mapping? |
| 21:42.52 | krka | right, but it's not built in? |
| 21:42.55 | krka | by default |
| 21:43.21 | Bleeter | not that I'm aware of |
| 21:44.03 | pastamancer | function UnregisterHandler(name) local evt = Events.handlers.events_for_handler[name]; if evt then Events.handlers[evt][name] = nil end ? |
| 21:44.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 21:44.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | took 5 days to copy to the ptr and i get corpse camped |
| 21:44.30 | Kaydeethree | your sound surprised |
| 21:44.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought they were fixing it :/ |
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| 21:45.03 | Kaydeethree | fixing... spawning in front of ZA? |
| 21:45.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the only excuse for copies to take that long |
| 21:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 21:45.46 | Kaydeethree | a rather large part of me thinks they're regretting enabling premades. |
| 21:45.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than that i see no reason why |
| 21:46.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | more people to test stuff is always good |
| 21:47.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost made my way out into epl |
| 21:48.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i have to corpse run to LHC |
| 21:48.07 | Kaydeethree | you on pvp or pve? |
| 21:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | pv |
| 21:48.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | p |
| 21:48.21 | Kaydeethree | ah, ouch. did they give you a hearthstone? |
| 21:48.54 | deltron | hah no |
| 21:49.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 21:49.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you don't have 10 sec to use it and it ports you to zul aman |
| 21:50.01 | Kaydeethree | geez |
| 21:50.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's about 500 horde at the spawn point |
| 21:50.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | about 500 at the portal to EPL |
| 21:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and probably about 500 on the other side of the portal |
| 21:50.24 | ravagernl | I was wondering, does anyone know any Guild Recruitment /Application manager using PHP so people can fill that instead of making a forum topic? |
| 21:50.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | you spawn and die within seconds |
| 21:51.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the best part is it's horde territory so if they want they can wait to clump up to flag |
| 21:51.43 | Shirik | pastamancer: Yup |
| 21:51.53 | Shirik | sorry for slow response |
| 21:51.58 | Shirik | was helping aunt buy a computer >< |
| 21:52.09 | Shirik | it's not quite that simple to unregister but yeah |
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| 21:53.14 | pastamancer | Shirik: so call it event(s)_for_handler |
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| 21:54.13 | Shirik | that's too long to type |
| 21:54.45 | pastamancer | it's not like you'll be typing it very frequently |
| 21:55.23 | pastamancer | handler_events? |
| 21:56.07 | Shirik | I don't like using underscores in my name; maybe handlerEvents |
| 21:56.59 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: well blow me down if I can't get sound out of it now. I'm starting to think I might've been imagining things :/ |
| 21:57.02 | Shirik | I dunno I just thought there was some technical term for it |
| 21:57.28 | Kaydeethree | bah |
| 21:57.37 | pastamancer | well, it's a reverse map for the event dispatch |
| 22:02.32 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: um, yeah.. it helps if I turn on my amp >< |
| 22:02.42 | Kaydeethree | oops |
| 22:03.29 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: for the record, running Hardware Accel-> Emulated, Sample Rate->22k, Bits->8bit, Driver Emul checked |
| 22:04.19 | Bleeter | though running Accel Emul, Sample 44k, 16bit, Emul unchecked works just as well |
| 22:04.25 | Bleeter | crap |
| 22:04.29 | Bleeter | hang on |
| 22:04.48 | Bleeter | WTB: Coffee |
| 22:05.33 | Bleeter | (I was running 2.1.3, not PTR :/) |
| 22:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:06.01 | Kaydeethree | heh, I've just got 'ptr' and 'wow' shellscripts in my ~/bin directory |
| 22:06.09 | Bleeter | good idea |
| 22:08.14 | Kaydeethree | no dice for me with those settings, btw |
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| 22:09.30 | Bleeter | anyways... I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The PTR's audio .dll that they're using is still known to be buggy on Win32 (I'm guessing Mac as well) causing lots of pops and crackles, etc. I'm guessing it's possible that whatever they've got at the moment is totally incompatible, and may get tweaked in our favour in an upcoming PTR update |
| 22:10.01 | Bleeter | thus, any chasing of this at the moment is probably a waste of time ;) |
| 22:10.03 | Kaydeethree | that's the biggest thing I'm hoping for atm... other changes have fixed wow before |
| 22:10.04 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 22:11.19 | Bleeter | I get the feeling that if it doesn't work on release, even with some minor hackery, a little bit of slouken may die too |
| 22:11.37 | Bleeter | whether due to his own mental thought processes or some of us rockin' up to him and.. well... ;) |
| 22:11.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm debating letting the PTR client die over and over and over |
| 22:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And likewise sending in all of the bug reports |
| 22:13.41 | Kaydeethree | meh. it'd be nice if I could get the ptr to get far enough to crash and let me send a bug report |
| 22:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Just let it sit there |
| 22:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It takes a few minutes, but it will give you a bug report |
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| 22:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It takes several minutes |
| 22:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc, ping. Quick question concerning Void Reaver's knockback aggro reduction. |
| 22:23.05 | Antiarc|Work | Sure |
| 22:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | How sure are you that 0.75 is the correct multiplier? I have a friend saying that "the author is not sure that it is correct" |
| 22:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | To that end I'm asking the author ;P |
| 22:24.06 | Antiarc|Work | Imprecise observations, mostly. |
| 22:24.13 | Antiarc|Work | I suspect it may be 0.8 |
| 22:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what we're testing tonight (0.8) |
| 22:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Unfortunately, only one tank has Omen atm |
| 22:25.20 | Antiarc|Work | There's a KTM command to set the knockback multiplier for all knockbacks |
| 22:25.23 | Antiarc|Work | So you can set that to 0.8 too |
| 22:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I saw it somewhere |
| 22:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't that relative to your client only though? |
| 22:27.13 | Antiarc|Work | Mmm. Not sure. |
| 22:27.16 | Antiarc|Work | Have all the tanks set it. |
| 22:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll try. It's tough getting such things to happen when you are a mere minion in a guild ;) |
| 22:27.38 | Cide | I believe it's broadcast |
| 22:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the Threat modification broadcast also? |
| 22:28.18 | Cide | no idea, I don't use KTM |
| 22:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | So Threat changes are broadcast? |
| 22:28.51 | Cide | I believe the multiplier is broadcast |
| 22:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really too bad that AceComm compresses things, it makes it hard to read in plaintext when it changes :P |
| 22:29.28 | Cide | not really sure why it does that |
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| 22:30.13 | Guillotine | woohoo! 1 of my 3 premades finally copied to the PTR :D |
| 22:30.14 | Bleeter | well, damn slouken. he's gone and added me to the libsdl donor's pages, so my planned 'loladdme2thapage and btw fix WoW wine' email gets trashed |
| 22:30.15 | Cide | I'm sure ckknight has an answer though (indirect ping) |
| 22:31.13 | Guillotine | ROFL. wtf. the alliance PvP premades start in Ghostlands. theres a bunch of horde jsut destroying people there |
| 22:31.55 | End | not sure why they did that if ZA isn't coming in 2.2 |
| 22:32.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to make a faction-instanced waiting area for ZA or it's gonna be ugly |
| 22:32.55 | Bleeter | prolly a li'l joke at the expense of the premade crybabies? |
| 22:33.00 | Kaydeethree | hot damn, the ptr finally crashed |
| 22:34.01 | End | could be, I dunno |
| 22:34.08 | End | I doubt it though |
| 22:35.36 | Guillotine | yay for tp:moonglade |
| 22:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it's just them overlooking something huge like that |
| 22:35.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | pvp, guillo? |
| 22:35.59 | Guillotine | mr_rabies2: yup >< |
| 22:36.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and alliance? |
| 22:36.03 | Guillotine | yup |
| 22:36.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | name |
| 22:36.11 | Guillotine | Guillotine |
| 22:36.12 | Guillotine | :P |
| 22:36.37 | deltron | I need to go to moonglade on my priest to turn a quest in |
| 22:36.39 | Guillotine | though I think Iw as just d/c |
| 22:36.44 | deltron | no clue how I'm going to do it at 49 :P |
| 22:37.08 | End | same way every player at that level does it |
| 22:37.13 | End | to the timbermaw tunnel! |
| 22:37.35 | Guillotine | not every player! teleport moonglade ftw! |
| 22:37.38 | End | although, if the timbermaw don't like you, it makes it much more interesting |
| 22:37.41 | End | true, not every |
| 22:37.41 | Guillotine | but ya, I just ran through it on my priest |
| 22:37.51 | Kaydeethree | meh, the first time I went to moonglade was during lunar new year |
| 22:37.52 | Guillotine | shiled+psychic scream whenever cooldown is up |
| 22:37.56 | Kaydeethree | easy access to the FPs |
| 22:38.01 | Guillotine | I think PTR just crashed :( |
| 22:38.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | the outland server probably did |
| 22:38.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it says you're sitll in outland |
| 22:38.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 22:38.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ghostlands |
| 22:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm fine in SW |
| 22:38.53 | Guillotine | awww, world server is down :( |
| 22:39.19 | Guillotine | Mr_Rabies2: what class/spec are you on PTR? |
| 22:39.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | destro lock and feral drood atm |
| 22:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | Gned and Raybeez |
| 22:40.10 | Guillotine | k, I'll spec my drooid balance then |
| 22:40.16 | Guillotine | or resto |
| 22:40.19 | Guillotine | maybe |
| 22:40.20 | Guillotine | dunno which |
| 22:40.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably try balance out |
| 22:40.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | with good balance gear |
| 22:40.38 | End | I wonder, do premades druids get all 3 sets? |
| 22:40.45 | Guillotine | End: 5 sets actually |
| 22:40.48 | End | 5? |
| 22:40.57 | Guillotine | we get all 3 tier 5 as well as some gladiator sets XD |
| 22:41.03 | End | oh |
| 22:41.14 | End | didn't see that |
| 22:41.25 | End | guess there's a reason for the 36 slot bags :P |
| 22:41.37 | Kaydeethree | 36 slot bags !? |
| 22:41.43 | End | something like that, yeah |
| 22:42.03 | End | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162 |
| 22:42.15 | End | just PTR obviously :P |
| 22:42.24 | Kaydeethree | hahahaha |
| 22:42.26 | deltron | tier 6 |
| 22:42.42 | deltron | I got all 3 sets of tier 6 on my shaman |
| 22:42.45 | Kaydeethree | the naming/flavor text for all of the ptr-only stuff is hilarious |
| 22:42.48 | End | yeah, it's tier 6 |
| 22:42.52 | End | unless druids got shafted :P |
| 22:43.44 | End | I agree though, the PTR names are great :P |
| 22:43.45 | cog|work | I just realized something... Since IRC clients generally render unknown characters as question marks, you can use interrobangs and still get the point across to people who can't see them XD |
| 22:44.14 | End | my irc client does't do it's own rendering you insensitive clod! |
| 22:44.15 | Kaydeethree | but I'm not gonna spend time firing up a charmap to locate the interrobang character |
| 22:44.37 | cog|work | End: ‽‽‽‽‽ |
| 22:44.49 | Kaso | my does this cool little square which has the bytes making up that charater |
| 22:44.55 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: basically, the current threat is broadcast. Also, it's compressed mostly to be cheaper and to allow nice and easy serialization |
| 22:45.16 | Kaso | also end, that item has the best yellow text ive ever seen i think |
| 22:45.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the |
| 22:46.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have the tank violet signet |
| 22:46.00 | End | oh wait, that wasn't supposed to look like \u2003d? |
| 22:46.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 22:46.12 | End | I guess irssi re-encodes it |
| 22:46.16 | End | as it were |
| 22:46.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the ptr only stuff? |
| 22:46.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than the bags? |
| 22:46.54 | Guillotine | wait. do the moonglade guards not protect people on PvP servers? o.O |
| 22:46.56 | Kaydeethree | this time? ya. the 2.1 ptr had flasks/pots for sale by the flaskataur |
| 22:47.08 | End | there was whathisface mcweaksauce |
| 22:47.42 | End | the first mcweaksauce I remember was for naxx though |
| 22:47.49 | deltron | johnny mcweaksauce |
| 22:48.07 | Kaso | Guillotine, they should |
| 22:48.16 | Guillotine | then its a bug |
| 22:48.51 | End | I battle rezzed someone on my druid once, and the guards attacked me |
| 22:49.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 22:49.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 spell hit rating or 2 spell damage |
| 22:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hit |
| 22:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | on a destro lock |
| 22:49.44 | End | for raiding? hit |
| 22:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | for whatever i'm gonna use on the ptr |
| 22:49.54 | Kaydeethree | are you at the hit cap already? |
| 22:50.01 | deltron | I dropped a totem of wrath once and got pwned by guards |
| 22:50.04 | End | probably not |
| 22:50.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | +9.2%, Kaydeethree |
| 22:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that the hit cap? |
| 22:50.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 22:50.18 | End | hit cap is 16% |
| 22:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Casters need 16% for the hit cap |
| 22:50.22 | Kaydeethree | hit cap's +16% |
| 22:50.34 | Kaso | against 73 mobs that is |
| 22:50.38 | End | yeah |
| 22:50.44 | End | which...is pretty much...bosses |
| 22:50.45 | Kaso | if youre pvpings you need 5 or 6 |
| 22:50.47 | Kaso | i dont recall |
| 22:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Sbo <-- I'm a few points over :( |
| 22:50.52 | End | 4% I think |
| 22:50.54 | End | for pvp |
| 22:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, just one point over |
| 22:51.03 | Kaso | damn, i knew it was around 5 :> |
| 22:51.11 | End | it's 5% miss |
| 22:51.15 | End | but 1% can't go away |
| 22:51.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 22:51.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying to gem up my stuff |
| 22:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the ptr |
| 22:52.02 | End | tiered gear isn't really particularly pvp gear |
| 22:52.22 | Kaso | they have the pvp set on ptr too |
| 22:52.25 | End | yea |
| 22:52.43 | End | if he's gemming t6 though, hit would be the "logical" choice |
| 22:53.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4 spell crit and 5 spell penetration or 10 spell penetration |
| 22:53.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 22:53.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | for destro |
| 22:53.39 | Kaso | penetration sucks |
| 22:53.50 | End | you'd want crit more |
| 22:53.51 | End | but.... |
| 22:53.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not similar to chance to hit? |
| 22:53.55 | End | I agree with KAso |
| 22:54.07 | End | sort of, not really though |
| 22:54.19 | End | it counters the magic resistance stat |
| 22:54.23 | Kaso | penetration only works if the mob/player has innate resists, where as to hit works on level resistances |
| 22:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | No, two different things |
| 22:54.30 | End | hit counters spell chance to hit |
| 22:54.33 | Kaydeethree | Curse of ELements/Curse of Shadow |
| 22:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And no actually |
| 22:54.44 | Kaydeethree | pen is useless if a lock keeps one of those up |
| 22:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Penetration cannot overcome and mob level based resistances |
| 22:55.24 | End | penetration is considered to be mostly a pvp stat |
| 22:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so confused on what gems to use |
| 22:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | +hit counters the level based resists (because casters can't miss, they only resist) |
| 22:55.38 | Cide | true, but some mobs also have +resists |
| 22:55.55 | End | true, but mostly people raid with warlocks :P |
| 22:56.13 | End | most* |
| 22:56.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | alright lemme see what gear i have and what gems i'm given |
| 22:56.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish there was a way i could output my entire inventory and equipment to something :/ |
| 22:57.04 | End | for t6, if you won't be doing any raiding, look for potent noble topazes or runed living rubies |
| 22:57.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm using what they give me |
| 22:57.21 | End | yeah, well, I don't remember what they give you |
| 22:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | both of those |
| 22:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 22:57.34 | End | I figured as much. :P |
| 22:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and some other stuff |
| 22:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies, gemming casters, 101: If you're not at the +hit cap, gem the +4hit/+5dmg. If you are at the +hit cap, gem +9 dmg. |
| 22:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ies,/ies2/ |
| 22:58.24 | End | the +hit/+spell is veiled noble topaz |
| 22:58.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not crit/spell |
| 22:58.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | if above cap |
| 22:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Crit is the most worthless stat out of +hit, +dmg, and +crit |
| 22:58.46 | End | raw damage, pure +spell probably is better, I dunno though |
| 22:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | By a long shot |
| 22:58.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you're destro? |
| 22:59.06 | End | my warlock is affliction, so I completely ignore crit anyways :P |
| 22:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | In terms of "bang for your buck (or point of mana)" - hit > dmg > crit |
| 22:59.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a fire mage. :) |
| 22:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hit > dmg > crit |
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| 22:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I thrive on crit, but it doesn't go anywhere near as far as +dmg |
| 22:59.47 | Shirik | sorry for disappearing pastamancer >< |
| 22:59.49 | Shirik | but anyway thanks again |
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| 23:00.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | what about meta gems? |
| 23:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That I don't know |
| 23:00.17 | End | mystical might be ok |
| 23:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have plans to get a helm with a meta gem any time soon |
| 23:00.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mystical Skyfire looks nice but it doesn't look like i can fit the requirements |
| 23:00.26 | End | mystical starfire I mean |
| 23:00.26 | End | yeah |
| 23:00.32 | End | hmmm |
| 23:00.53 | Kaydeethree | ah, gotta love freaking people out now that /console pitchlimit is back |
| 23:01.02 | End | there's a crit/reflect one I guess? |
| 23:01.13 | End | they -might- have given you a +Spell/+run speed gem |
| 23:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | There is |
| 23:01.27 | Guillotine | wow |
| 23:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It's from the auchindoun spirit shard vendor |
| 23:01.30 | Guillotine | moonkin druids own o.O |
| 23:01.34 | End | well |
| 23:01.39 | End | there's the ogri'la one too |
| 23:01.51 | End | I'd hope they'd give you that one instead of the spirit shard one |
| 23:01.54 | Shirik | Cide: Ping |
| 23:01.59 | Cide | pong |
| 23:02.13 | End | Guillotine: keep in mind, that's with exceptional gear. Most moonkin druids suck ass :P |
| 23:02.28 | Guillotine | End: but I'm going against other people in tier 6 |
| 23:02.36 | Guillotine | I'm talking about in PvP |
| 23:02.40 | Guillotine | just owned 2 other people at the same time |
| 23:02.43 | End | I stand by my statement :P |
| 23:03.44 | Cide | Shirik: pong, that is |
| 23:04.24 | Shirik | Cide: Spoken to Cidan at all recently? |
| 23:05.28 | Cide | Shirik: don't think I've ever spoken to him |
| 23:05.32 | Shirik | oh? |
| 23:05.38 | Shirik | hm, maybe it was clad|away he spoke to then |
| 23:05.42 | Shirik | I know it started with a C >< |
| 23:06.11 | Cide | maybe I have without knowing? why? :P |
| 23:06.13 | cog|work | I find this promotion incredibly amusing... Buy a 20 CPU licens of adobe's font collection, get a free iPhone!! |
| 23:06.26 | Shirik | nah he said that he and someone were good friends :P |
| 23:06.28 | cog|work | s/licens/license/ |
| 23:06.38 | Shirik | well, "good" in a somewhat manner |
| 23:06.48 | Cide | Shirik: ah |
| 23:07.08 | Shirik | I just haven't been able to find him since I've not be online much so |
| 23:07.13 | Shirik | we have radically different schedules :( |
| 23:07.18 | Lunessa | cog|work: 20 CPU lisence is expensive enough they can throw you an iPhone. |
| 23:07.37 | Shirik | Lunessa: I think he's referring to the fact that an iPhone has nothing to do with the license >< |
| 23:07.41 | Shirik | I love these random giveaways |
| 23:07.53 | Lunessa | because everyone needs a gadget. |
| 23:08.01 | Shirik | my dean loves that term |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik | gadget |
| 23:08.11 | cog|work | But seriously, only a business would really be interested in such a thing and to get a single iPhone seems a bit...... |
| 23:08.16 | cog|work | beyond words |
| 23:08.56 | Lunessa | It's aimed at the purchasing manager. Who will pcoket the phone. |
| 23:13.12 | Guillotine | aww, PvP server just went offline :( |
| 23:18.39 | Bleeter | I wouldn't go near an iPhone atm |
| 23:18.54 | Bleeter | what with that proof of concept steal all passwords/sms/sign up to premium services etc. etc. |
| 23:18.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | ARGH WHAT DO I DO WITH ALL THESE SPELLS |
| 23:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | warlocks have too many spells |
| 23:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | remove like half of them |
| 23:19.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's win/win |
| 23:19.22 | Lunessa | I like gadgets. I wants them all, i does. DO WANT. It's a geek-toy. |
| 23:19.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | they get nerfed, and don't have to complain about being so complicated |
| 23:19.29 | Guillotine | for some reason the druid was my only char to get copied over so far :( |
| 23:20.36 | Guillotine | also have a lock and rogue awaiting copy |
| 23:21.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | wonder if they'll let me copy to horde on pvp |
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| 23:21.49 | Shirik | wb Cairenn |
| 23:21.55 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 23:22.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 23:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh geez |
| 23:22.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | highlight the top news story's image |
| 23:23.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was thinking "9 million subscribers" "man, that guy looks like vegita" "no, they're not going to make a--" *highlights image* /facepalm |
| 23:24.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry-wecouldntresist.jpg |
| 23:24.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwahahaha |
| 23:24.55 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 23:25.07 | Kaydeethree | guildies/other forum trolls have been getting a kick out of that all day |
| 23:27.57 | Lunessa | Anyone else amused by the "zomg damage meters aren't accurate for frost mage pets" post? |
| 23:28.28 | KriLL3 | what is damage meters accurate for? |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | I'm amused by any "zomg damage meters aren't accurate for ..." posts |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | rofl! |
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| 23:29.03 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies that's awesome |
| 23:29.03 | Lunessa | Accurate? Nothing. |
| 23:29.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not accurate for anything in general but just account for a decent margin of error until blizzard comes up with a better way |
| 23:29.54 | Corrodias | oh jesus |
| 23:31.00 | Lunessa | *nod* A metric is only as good as the data provided to it. And interpretation of the metric is still an art, not a science. |
| 23:34.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | even with all the syncing in the world |
| 23:34.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could pretty easily make myself the top of the damage meters by reading into how it reports damage :P |
| 23:37.40 | Corrodias | i just don't get it. we have at least five level 70 people who are quite capable of raiding who are NOT in the kara pre-organization raid right now. i don't know if they're planning to join us or not, but i know some of them usually don't. |
| 23:40.02 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: are you suggesting injecting fake dmg into a damage meter's sync etc.? |
| 23:40.19 | Shirik | Bleeter: It's been done before |
| 23:40.19 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: I kinda like that idea, might shut this mage up that we've got in guild if I haxor the data |
| 23:40.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | ;] |
| 23:40.31 | Bleeter | Shirik: had never ocurred to me ;) |
| 23:40.47 | Corrodias | i don't sync my data; i have my log range cranked up and let my addons figure things out on their own |
| 23:40.50 | Shirik | sadly there's certain things you just have to trust |
| 23:41.03 | Shirik | however, RDX's BattleRecorder provides a possible solution to the problem |
| 23:41.06 | Corrodias | not that i don't trust my guildmates, but i don't trust anybody |
| 23:41.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard needs to implement one :/ |
| 23:41.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | like they do for BGs |
| 23:41.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | make it instance specific |
| 23:43.31 | Shirik | "Melee attack power increased by 412. Attacks are faster but deal less damage." |
| 23:43.43 | Shirik | I don't understand the purpose of having a +AP and a -AP on the same buff... |
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| 23:44.37 | Corrodias | is the "deal less damage" a -AP debuff? |
| 23:44.43 | Corrodias | i'd expect it to be a percentage |
| 23:44.56 | Shirik | dunno |
| 23:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not -AP |
| 23:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | overall it's more DPS, shirik |
| 23:47.59 | Kaydeethree | works the same way as imp fireball/imp frostbolt |
| 23:48.18 | Kaydeethree | shorter cast time, .9 +dmg coefficient |
| 23:49.12 | Bleeter | heh, a guildie's suggested that instead of adding to the dmgmtr data, I should subtract data... 'wtf, you did 2 dmg for the entire run?' |
| 23:49.34 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:49.40 | Shirik | unfortunately you can't |
| 23:49.47 | Bleeter | and, btw, next bastard who assumes that 'coz I'm an old fart I can fix their win98 boot problems |
| 23:49.50 | Shirik | it uses the maximum |
| 23:49.51 | Bleeter | gets a stab in the face |
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| 23:54.29 | Guillotine | anybody know the way out of the ghostlands? >.> |
| 23:54.49 | Kaydeethree | south |
| 23:55.05 | Kaydeethree | there's a north-south road in the center of the map, follow it |
| 23:55.24 | Kaydeethree | if you get into a ditch with low-level undead, you've gone too far |
