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| 00:48.18 | Shirik | morning |
| 00:48.44 | nevcairiel | morning? comeone, even for you its gotta be late :P |
| 00:48.50 | cog|book | ~ugt |
| 00:48.51 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:48.52 | Shirik | it's 8:48 pm |
| 00:48.57 | Shirik | bah you beat me |
| 00:49.03 | Shirik | ha! |
| 00:49.04 | Shirik | 202:482:55 12‹purl12› Someone already said that 4 seconds ago |
| 00:49.10 | Shirik | I didn't know purl does that |
| 00:49.16 | cog|book | :) |
| 00:49.55 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 00:50.00 | Shirik | bug report filed on site T_T |
| 00:50.07 | Kaydeethree | la-de-da... 3 hours til I can buy a legit copy of HP7 |
| 00:50.16 | Shirik | who cares you already read it |
| 00:50.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:50.31 | Kaydeethree | thus the 'legit' bit |
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| 00:57.56 | Guillotine | anybody know the name of the addon that shows the diminishing returns timer in the upper right of http://stage6.divx.com/user/Tradix/video/1337231/Tradix-4---Force-of-Panda ? |
| 00:58.17 | Guillotine | looks kind of like Quartz, but Quartz doesn't have a DR timer afaik |
| 00:58.36 | Kaydeethree | sight unseen, I'm going to guess: natur enemy cast bar |
| 00:58.48 | Guillotine | NECB has a diminishing returns timer? |
| 00:58.52 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 00:58.57 | Guillotine | awesome. ty much :) |
| 01:00.38 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 01:00.42 | Shirik | screeech boom |
| 01:00.44 | Shirik | not a good sound |
| 01:01.01 | Kaydeethree | coming from your computer, speakers or outside? |
| 01:01.22 | Shirik | outside |
| 01:01.26 | cog|book | :| |
| 01:01.35 | Kaydeethree | car crash? nat gas pipe explosion? |
| 01:01.49 | Shirik | ha, gas pipe |
| 01:01.56 | Shirik | I wish they had that kind of technology up here |
| 01:02.21 | Kaydeethree | oh ya, that's right... you're out in east bumblefuck. 90s-era cable modems and dialup. |
| 01:02.25 | Industrial | Is there a number for the amountof degrees you can turn to still be in view of the target? |
| 01:02.31 | Industrial | just curious |
| 01:02.38 | Industrial | almost 180 |
| 01:02.52 | Shirik | you mean like |
| 01:02.55 | Shirik | right click drag? |
| 01:03.12 | bleetah | Is Bumblefuck near Buttfuck Montana? |
| 01:03.22 | bleetah | or just one of those sister-city relationship thingies |
| 01:03.24 | Shirik | ha |
| 01:03.29 | Shirik | sister city thingies |
| 01:03.34 | Guillotine | sister/cousin relationship thingies you mean |
| 01:03.40 | Guillotine | and wife |
| 01:03.49 | Industrial | .. |
| 01:03.57 | bleetah | s/friend/professional associate/ |
| 01:04.04 | Guillotine | Industrial: you already got it right. 180 |
| 01:04.24 | Industrial | 180 straight? can i get that from lua, or is there a resource? |
| 01:05.12 | cog|book | Industrial: i don't think you can. it depends on a number of factors like screen ratio & drunkenness... |
| 01:05.30 | cog|book | or i'm misunderstanding >< |
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| 01:07.52 | Industrial | the field of view of the 3d player model, not the camera :> |
| 01:09.07 | Guillotine | like when it will say "You must be facing your target"? |
| 01:09.10 | Shirik | I'll view your field |
| 01:09.28 | Industrial | yes |
| 01:11.42 | Shirik | so..... we just received a guild application |
| 01:11.51 | Guillotine | 180 degrees then |
| 01:11.55 | Guillotine | Shirik: grats |
| 01:11.57 | Shirik | one of the questions is " If you held a nice dinner this weekend and could invite any three people, past or present, who would they be, and why?" |
| 01:12.17 | Shirik | we normally don't pay much attention to it, it's just a question we threw in there to break stuff up |
| 01:12.20 | Shirik | but... "Marilyn Monroe because she's hot |
| 01:12.20 | Shirik | Famke Jennson because she's hot |
| 01:12.20 | Shirik | Elizabeth Hurley because she's uber hot |
| 01:12.38 | Guillotine | lol |
| 01:12.47 | Shirik | What can you bring as a member of TG? |
| 01:12.47 | Shirik | My pimp hand |
| 01:12.56 | Shirik | I'm like.... |
| 01:13.01 | Shirik | I don't even know how to respond |
| 01:16.37 | Cide | "you're hired"? |
| 01:16.52 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:16.56 | Shirik | no. |
| 01:23.21 | Industrial | Looking for someone with an enUS 60day game card. You can email it to me. You have a paypal account. Pm me. |
| 01:23.59 | Shirik | don't live in US or something? |
| 01:24.03 | Industrial | nop |
| 01:24.16 | Cide | that's what credit cards are for :) |
| 01:25.28 | bleetah | Not that I'm cynical or anything, but I wonder if the reason Blizz don't accept PayPal is due to the whole eBay thing |
| 01:26.00 | Cowgra | are there any mmos that accept paypal? |
| 01:26.11 | Shirik | rf online |
| 01:26.13 | Industrial | AO |
| 01:26.21 | Cowgra | AO is free anyways. |
| 01:26.32 | Industrial | Cide: not an option :P |
| 01:30.35 | Shirik | delbu9c1 |
| 01:30.40 | Shirik | oops |
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| 01:38.11 | Shirik | Battery: 8 min, 17% remaining |
| 01:38.11 | Shirik | that's pathetic |
| 01:39.09 | Cide | >>> 8/0.17 |
| 01:39.09 | Cide | Cide: 47.058823529412 |
| 01:39.11 | Cide | yeah, it is :P |
| 01:46.45 | cog|book | 3 lines in't considered spam, right? |
| 01:46.48 | cog|book | +s |
| 01:46.52 | cog|book | <.< |
| 01:46.56 | cog|book | >.> |
| 01:47.01 | cog|book | (oh crap that was 4) |
| 01:47.36 | Tuller | hrm, why in the world is Sage listed in the bar mods category, and not in the unitframes one? :) |
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| 01:50.02 | Shirik | I call 5 spam |
| 01:50.05 | Shirik | so you're safe cog|book |
| 01:50.17 | Shirik | time for me to see if I can sneak over to my aunt's to leech internetz :P |
| 01:50.19 | cog|book | <me> gah... I hate it when you spend hours coding something and it seems to work perfectly the first time you try it out O.o |
| 01:50.21 | cog|book | <someone in my guild> Isn't that a good thing cog? |
| 01:50.22 | cog|book | <me> you would think... |
| 01:50.24 | cog|book | <me> but you end up tiptoeing because you think there's an axe-wielding madman around the next corner |
| 01:51.58 | bleetah | I lost count somewhere around 8 :P |
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| 03:11.53 | MentalPower | Does anyone here know how Kerberized FTP works? |
| 03:17.52 | Corrodias | like all other ftp? if not, then no. |
| 03:18.34 | MentalPower | no, its similar to regular FTP, but it replaces the USER command with USER :SomeHugeAssStringGoesHere |
| 03:19.30 | Corrodias | now i shall drink |
| 03:19.40 | Corrodias | THE LEINENKUGEL'S HONEY WEISS |
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| 03:20.41 | Corrodias | after one long night at work |
| 03:23.13 | Corrodias | for the last, what, month i've been playing my hunter alt a lot |
| 03:23.50 | Corrodias | nah, i probably already talked about healing alts |
| 03:24.15 | Corrodias | no need to be emo about it |
| 03:29.19 | Corrodias | so. how can i change the text of the names over people's heads if i so choose? |
| 03:29.29 | cogwheel|away | you can't |
| 03:29.33 | cogwheel|away | it's not part of the UI |
| 03:29.42 | Corrodias | could have sworn i've seen a screenshot with it altered |
| 03:29.55 | cogwheel|away | font, maybe |
| 03:30.06 | Corrodias | oh, stupid me. i meant font. :( |
| 03:30.51 | cogwheel|away | I don't think you can without changing every other font |
| 03:31.05 | cogwheel|away | s/font/occurrence of that font/ |
| 03:34.13 | Corrodias | i actually rather like the default fonts, myself. well, anyway, i need to think about modifying my SCT setup |
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| 03:41.49 | Corrodias | i shall try msbt |
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| 03:46.03 | ckknight | Corrodias: you should try Parrot :-P |
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| 03:47.11 | Corrodias | i suppose i can |
| 03:49.09 | ckknight | it's pretty nifty now |
| 03:49.15 | ckknight | I reached feature parity with MSBT |
| 03:49.31 | ckknight | I just need to stick in more animation styles to reach parity with SCT |
| 03:49.52 | Corrodias | i haven't tried MSBT in-depth. i don't even know just how i want my text to show up. |
| 03:50.14 | ckknight | well, just try Parrot, see if you like it, it's pretty customizeable |
| 03:50.25 | ckknight | I won't feel too bad if you decide not to use it |
| 03:50.58 | Corrodias | i shall try it, but it's hard to say if i'll like it when even i don't know what i want |
| 03:51.03 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:51.09 | ckknight | yea, I know how that is |
| 03:51.13 | Corrodias | all i don't like about my current SCT setup is how spammy it gets, how much space on my screen it usesl |
| 03:51.48 | ckknight | Parrot is much less spammy than SCT |
| 03:51.51 | ckknight | due to event merging |
| 03:52.00 | ckknight | AoEs show up as a single message instead of multiple |
| 03:52.10 | ckknight | and hots/dots can merge as well |
| 03:52.15 | ckknight | as well as power gains |
| 03:52.25 | ckknight | so VT/VE spam is a thing of the past |
| 03:52.41 | Corrodias | i don't suppose Parrot is configurable via Niagara and i somehow missed it on the list? |
| 03:52.52 | ckknight | you click the parrot on the minimap to bring up Waterfall |
| 03:52.59 | ckknight | (which is what Niagara uses) |
| 03:53.14 | Corrodias | oh, there it is! |
| 03:54.09 | ckknight | btw, if you come up with useful features or bug reports, don't be afraid to tell me |
| 03:55.22 | cogwheel|away | Can anyone think of a template in the default UI that would provide a quick but satisfying (read: visual) example of using CreateFrame? |
| 03:55.44 | JoshBorke | cog|book: hm |
| 03:55.58 | JoshBorke | cog|book: i just made some widgets using the equivalent of the xml templates |
| 03:56.21 | cog|book | Hmm... a button might not be a bad idea |
| 03:56.30 | JoshBorke | a slider and a checkbox to be exact |
| 03:56.34 | JoshBorke | and a button is a great idea |
| 03:58.05 | Corrodias | that beer went straight to my head |
| 03:59.35 | Corrodias | by default it suppresses the Clearcasting event? that seems odd |
| 04:00.43 | Corrodias | of course, i'm having trouble setgin. seeing and typing right now so maybe that isn't all that odd. |
| 04:02.43 | Corrodias | healing text starts out waaay too long |
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| 04:10.47 | Corrodias | eh, trying to switch from SCT and my current config just feels wrong no matter what i do! |
| 04:19.01 | Kemayo | Corrodias: It suppresses the clearcasting buff notification, displaying a trigger instead, I think. |
| 04:19.39 | Kemayo | (So, for instance, if you're a Warlock you don't see "+Shadow Trance", you get "Nightfall!" in the notification area.) |
| 04:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone had any luck with the PTR client under wine? |
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| 05:06.36 | Corrodias | aw, ToFu doesn't display flight points on the world map? |
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| 05:11.30 | Corrodias | can i get a touch of macro help? /castsequence reset=60 [modifier:alt] Divine Protection, [target=player] Blessing of Protection <LINE> |
| 05:13.03 | Corrodias | /cast [nomodifier] Blessing of Protection |
| 05:13.07 | Corrodias | that was supposed to come after that there |
| 05:14.40 | Corrodias | something about using [modifier:alt] in a /castsequence isn't quite jiving. |
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| 05:32.32 | cog|book | Corrodias: http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#General_options_syntax |
| 05:32.56 | Kemayo | Corrodias: It displays them if you have Cartographer. |
| 05:39.48 | Shirik | take care guys |
| 05:40.35 | Corrodias | ni |
| 05:40.35 | Corrodias | i do have cartographer. hmm. |
| 05:41.19 | Corrodias | also, as far as i can tell, /castsequence [modifier:alt] reset=300 One, Other should work |
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| 06:03.00 | Kirov | hmm... some Ace addon is locking wow before it even finishes loading |
| 06:03.09 | Guillotine | so I'm completely redoing my UI. anybody have any addons they suggest that they just can't do without? |
| 06:03.20 | Guillotine | can't be Ace. Ace is perfect in every way |
| 06:03.29 | Guillotine | it makes your addons more efficient |
| 06:03.35 | Kirov | Guillotine - SimpleMouseover'sTarget, SimpleRaidTargetIcon |
| 06:03.46 | Guillotine | Kirov: ty, I'll look them up :) |
| 06:04.01 | cog|book | Guillotine: BuyEmAll, CT_MailMod |
| 06:04.45 | Guillotine | I like CT_MailMod, but BuyEmAll doesn't do much for me since I don't buy from vendors often |
| 06:05.45 | Kirov | simpleMinimap is nice too, if only for the fact it displays who pinged in a _sane_ way |
| 06:06.56 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5353-SimpleRaidTargetIcons.html |
| 06:07.14 | Guillotine | Kirov: are you Brodrick by any chance? |
| 06:07.15 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4210-SimpleMouseoversTarget.html |
| 06:08.01 | Kirov | It's a complete coincidence that some of my favorite mods are by someone named Brodrick, aka Kirov ... and that I wrote them |
| 06:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7355-IllegalAddon.html is good too (though I may be biased) |
| 06:08.33 | Guillotine | Scythe: lol |
| 06:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually got 1.1-20100 coming soo |
| 06:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | s/soo/soon/ |
| 06:09.43 | Kirov | SimpleMouseover'sTarget is basically useless if you use something like TipBuddy (or any Tooltip addon that show target's target information) |
| 06:10.01 | Kirov | But I don't use any of those mods, so my version is useful for me |
| 06:10.06 | art3mis | hehe illegaladdon rules |
| 06:10.40 | Guillotine | Kirov: ya, only tooltip addon I use moves mine to the top center of the screen |
| 06:10.56 | Guillotine | whats a good action bar addon? |
| 06:11.05 | art3mis | aftte is the goodest tooltip |
| 06:11.10 | art3mis | bartender3? |
| 06:11.16 | art3mis | or if yer a minimalist get sphere |
| 06:11.27 | art3mis | sphere rules as a player uf/actiojn buttons |
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| 06:11.31 | Guillotine | ya, I was looking at bartender |
| 06:11.38 | art3mis | doublewide is good for quests |
| 06:11.45 | Kirov | oh |
| 06:11.49 | Kirov | uhg |
| 06:11.51 | Kirov | I need to get a new router |
| 06:11.53 | art3mis | autobar of course |
| 06:12.03 | art3mis | and metahud |
| 06:12.11 | Kirov | metahud ... meh |
| 06:12.13 | art3mis | thats aboutall i really am so used to using i cant do with out |
| 06:12.21 | art3mis | i dont like the way the others format |
| 06:12.33 | art3mis | one hud is as good as the next though |
| 06:12.41 | Guillotine | eh, I don't use HuDs |
| 06:12.53 | Kirov | I use a "hud" mod on my rogue, an no one else |
| 06:12.57 | art3mis | i do cuz im too lazy to look at UF's ;) |
| 06:13.12 | Kirov | It's the only class I really never look away from the center of my screen with. |
| 06:13.17 | Guillotine | the problem is I'm a feral druid, so I'm in and out of forms alot. So alot of the cool action bar setups have to be reconfigured for each form :/ |
| 06:13.29 | art3mis | check out sphere |
| 06:13.35 | art3mis | you might actually like it if you're a clicker |
| 06:13.42 | art3mis | if yer a keyboard player not so much |
| 06:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 06:13.58 | art3mis | supports forms and circumstance buttons |
| 06:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder! |
| 06:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder is a microscopic addon which replaces all need for any form of buttons on my screen. |
| 06:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (But I am an obsessive keybinder.) |
| 06:14.41 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 06:14.45 | art3mis | im forgetful |
| 06:14.55 | art3mis | i like visible buttons ;P |
| 06:15.04 | Guillotine | Scythe: ya, I use spellbinder :) Definately an addon I'm keeping |
| 06:15.07 | Guillotine | I'm a heavy keyboarder |
| 06:15.11 | Guillotine | for most things |
| 06:15.16 | Guillotine | I use click casting for healing |
| 06:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | My bindings-cache is 4.3kb |
| 06:15.22 | Guillotine | and keyboarding for tanking/dpsing |
| 06:15.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, for healing, I'd bind heals to my mouse buttons 4/5 |
| 06:15.45 | Guillotine | art3mis: have any screenshots of sphere? Can't find any on the official thread and/or wiki page |
| 06:15.46 | art3mis | heh i use benecast for healing cuz im REALLY lazy |
| 06:15.52 | art3mis | its a wowace |
| 06:15.54 | Guillotine | Clique for healing |
| 06:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Then use mouseover raidframes to heal with that |
| 06:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:15.57 | Guillotine | art3mis: I know |
| 06:15.59 | art3mis | not sure if it got put anywhere else |
| 06:16.10 | art3mis | its in "beta" sorta |
| 06:16.12 | Guillotine | ah, found it |
| 06:16.14 | art3mis | its on files. |
| 06:16.17 | Guillotine | a screenshot that is |
| 06:16.18 | Guillotine | I know |
| 06:16.21 | Guillotine | I knew where the file was |
| 06:16.26 | Guillotine | just wante dto see what it looked like |
| 06:16.31 | art3mis | yeah i only just talk to people in #wa |
| 06:16.34 | art3mis | oh |
| 06:16.36 | art3mis | thats easy |
| 06:16.47 | art3mis | its a picture of yer head and 2 circle bars |
| 06:16.59 | art3mis | and radiant buttons that sprout from it |
| 06:16.59 | Guillotine | not so much for me. I rarely use icons other than to see if I have enough energy/rage and if the ability is ready |
| 06:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | afk sleep |
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| 06:22.22 | Kirov | wow, bananabar2 completely screws my wow |
| 06:22.48 | Guillotine | is there anything like ArkInventory that uses less memory? |
| 06:22.56 | Guillotine | seems to be a real memory hog :/ |
| 06:23.11 | art3mis | sanity |
| 06:23.15 | art3mis | err santiybags |
| 06:23.23 | art3mis | takes a bit of config |
| 06:23.26 | art3mis | but its perty neat |
| 06:23.33 | Guillotine | well, so does Ark |
| 06:23.41 | Guillotine | is it more efficient than Ark though? |
| 06:23.46 | art3mis | anti makes fine addons |
| 06:24.01 | Guillotine | eh, I'll try it |
| 06:24.04 | art3mis | dunno about actual useage though |
| 06:29.54 | Guillotine | whats a good unit frame addon? |
| 06:30.33 | Guillotine | I use grid for raid healing |
| 06:30.36 | Guillotine | just need one for myself really |
| 06:30.46 | Guillotine | hmm, guess I could use a HUD for that actually. save space |
| 06:33.08 | Kirov | x-perl or pitbul |
| 06:33.54 | Kirov | as pretty as a lot of HUDs are, I find they make me focus on the middle of the screen way too much. |
| 06:34.07 | Kirov | I pretty much loathed using them as a hunter or priest |
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| 06:38.05 | Kirov | SCT or MBT are good to have too |
| 06:39.41 | Kirov | SimpleCombatLog |
| 06:40.49 | Kirov | DevTools |
| 06:41.20 | Kirov | OmniCC |
| 06:43.07 | Kirov | Out of curiosity, what are peoples' thoughts on LootLink / ItemSync like addons? |
| 06:45.35 | JunkHead-Work | I've used Lootlink before, but realized I didn't use it enough so I removed it. |
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| 06:52.59 | Guillotine | I havn't used them in a while |
| 06:53.09 | Guillotine | I've used things like the old GetLink recently |
| 06:53.25 | Guillotine | just iterates through all item ids and prints the names that match |
| 06:53.29 | Guillotine | so uses no memory when not searching |
| 06:55.33 | JunkHead-Work | I've been working lately with thinning out unused addons. |
| 06:55.47 | JunkHead-Work | I still have a few I need to get rid of. |
| 06:56.00 | JunkHead-Work | I wonder what will break if I ditch informant. |
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| 06:59.42 | Guillotine | I really want to ditch Tattle, but gladiator won't work without it :/ |
| 07:00.38 | JunkHead-Work | Don't know what either of those do. |
| 07:01.08 | Thunder_Child | arena mods |
| 07:01.57 | JunkHead-Work | Oh. |
| 07:04.33 | JunkHead-Work | I'm also probable going to get rid of Auctioneer, I don't use it much.:\ |
| 07:04.55 | deltron | heh I use it quite a bit |
| 07:05.20 | JunkHead-Work | I just go to the AH buy crap and leave, I don't sell much.:\ |
| 07:05.24 | JunkHead-Work | I stay broke. |
| 07:05.42 | deltron | I don't farm anymore |
| 07:05.49 | deltron | but I do use it to buy cheap stuff |
| 07:06.26 | JunkHead-Work | I try to farm for my own stuff. But even I have trouble doing that. |
| 07:06.42 | JunkHead-Work | I'm working tailoring, and and saving up primal fires for my spellire robe. |
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| 07:06.50 | JunkHead-Work | That's a pain.:\ |
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| 07:09.34 | Guillotine | I just have a bank char and only have auctioneer enabled on him |
| 07:09.43 | Guillotine | anybody know of a VERY lightweight unit frame mod? |
| 07:09.54 | Guillotine | need nothing but my health, my mana, my target's health, and my target's mana |
| 07:10.05 | Kirov | Guillotine - Sage Unit Frames |
| 07:10.58 | Guillotine | mm, looks perfect |
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| 07:28.44 | Guillotine | well, my interface takes about twice as long to load now as before the 'cleanup' |
| 07:29.44 | JunkHead-Work | You broked it. |
| 07:29.58 | Kirov | hehe |
| 07:31.24 | Tem | lol the skirmish arena on the ptr is hillarious |
| 07:34.31 | Tem | it'll pit you against the poeple you just played with on your team |
| 07:34.38 | Tem | quite funny |
| 07:34.51 | MoonWolf | finally, you can kill that idiot on your team |
| 07:35.23 | Guillotine | damn. sage doesn't have MobInfo support :/ |
| 07:36.03 | Guillotine | maybe I'll just use default frames |
| 07:36.05 | Guillotine | and move them |
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| 12:06.01 | clad|away | good book, enjoyed it.. need 45 minutes of sleep before i go to a family picnic |
| 12:06.01 | clad|away | O.o |
| 12:07.04 | Thrae | clad|away: This is why I try to avoid books and manga -- I'll just keep reading until it's suddenly next Tuesday. |
| 12:07.24 | clad|away | hehe |
| 12:07.27 | clad|away | i have limits :P |
| 12:07.45 | clad|away | this is the only series I'd do it with, only because the world if full of fanatics who love nothing more than spoiling stuff for other people. |
| 12:07.56 | clad|away | I preferred the series when it wasn't popular, when I started reading it |
| 12:07.58 | clad|away | *shrug* |
| 12:08.16 | Thrae | We're talking about Harry Potter? |
| 12:08.27 | clad|away | indeed |
| 12:08.51 | Thrae | Lemme guess -- Dumbledore's Ghost kills Snape, p.6281 |
| 12:08.59 | clad|away | don't even kid :P |
| 12:09.04 | clad|away | too tempting |
| 12:09.09 | Thrae | That was suppose to be a '!', but page 6281 also works! |
| 12:09.24 | clad|away | hehe |
| 12:09.26 | clad|away | okay, naptime |
| 12:09.40 | clad|away | took me 7 hours, I'm disappointed |
| 12:09.48 | clad|away | but read slowly so I could absorb :P |
| 12:26.44 | Industrial | when reading dont say the words |
| 12:26.59 | Industrial | just read phrases then sentences etc |
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| 12:59.58 | Lunessa | Approach Logan 5, and Identify. |
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| 14:39.10 | Fin | sit facing the screen, Logan 5 |
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| 15:34.28 | Lunessa | I see how it is: Cairenn in non-AFK mostly at hours when people should still be sleeping! |
| 15:34.43 | Cairenn | heh - it's 11:30 am here, dear |
| 15:35.44 | Lunessa | Lunessa's Law #346 - Thou shalt not acknowledge the existence of any time before noon on Saturday or Sunday unless getting paid, or still awake from the previous night. |
| 15:35.51 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 15:37.43 | Lunessa | reasonable people are sleeping, right now. At home, snug in their little beds, blankets pulled high over their pointy little heads. Oh yes, how I envy them. |
| 15:38.03 | Cairenn | unfortunately, that doesn't get websites checked, mods approved, jerks slapped down |
| 15:38.27 | Cairenn | (I especially enjoy that last one) |
| 15:38.51 | Lunessa | ... true. Or support for students who seem to think Saturday is the best day to upload an entire semester's worth of class asignments. |
| 15:38.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:39.24 | Kaydeethree | what is this "sleep" that you speak of? |
| 15:39.33 | Lunessa | Sleep is for the weak? |
| 15:39.46 | Lunessa | In which case, I'll take two. |
| 15:40.42 | Cairenn | something of which I got, most unusually, a reasonable amount last night, for a change |
| 15:41.09 | Srosh | It's 17:41 here! |
| 15:41.44 | Cairenn | I know, it shocked me too, Lunessa |
| 15:42.17 | Lunessa | I made the horrible mistake of "going out" last night. When I had to get up at 6am. Foolish me. |
| 15:42.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:42.57 | Cairenn | you mean, like, a "social life"?!?! |
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| 15:43.14 | Cairenn | eep, hide, the world is about to end |
| 15:43.30 | cog|book | :( |
| 15:43.40 | Cairenn | lol, not you cog|book |
| 15:44.23 | Lunessa | ... The world ended yesterday, at 11:00PM Central Daylight Time .. all that's left now is to pick up the pieces and carry on. |
| 15:44.38 | Cairenn | oh dear |
| 15:44.43 | cog|book | gimmeh link plx |
| 15:44.44 | Cairenn | and I missed it - damn |
| 15:44.45 | cog|book | :P |
| 15:45.03 | Cairenn | why do I always miss the fun stuff, like the end of the world |
| 15:45.08 | zenzelezz | yeah, SS or it didn't happen |
| 15:45.32 | Lunessa | Just scroll up cog|book - I went out. Sure sign and proof of the apocalypse. |
| 15:45.43 | Cairenn | he just joined channel |
| 15:46.23 | Lunessa | A Friday evening where I played no WoW and answered no technical questions. And copious amounts of fermented sugars were consumed. |
| 15:46.53 | cog|book | sounds yummy |
| 15:46.58 | Kaydeethree | always a good night |
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| 15:47.24 | Cairenn | bah |
| 15:47.34 | Cairenn | that's what I get for trying to explain |
| 15:47.46 | Cairenn | (11:34:19 AM) Lunessa: I see how it is: Cairenn in non-AFK mostly at hours when people should still be sleeping! |
| 15:47.46 | Cairenn | (11:34:34 AM) Cairenn: heh - it's 11:30 am here, dear |
| 15:47.46 | Cairenn | (11:35:35 AM) Lunessa: Lunessa's Law #346 - Thou shalt not acknowledge the existence of any time before noon on Saturday or Sunday unless getting paid, or still awake from the previous night. |
| 15:47.46 | Cairenn | (11:35:42 AM) Cairenn: hehehehe |
| 15:47.54 | Lunessa | Hey look! The Queen is back! |
| 15:47.55 | Cairenn | (11:37:34 AM) Lunessa: reasonable people are sleeping, right now. At home, snug in their little beds, blankets pulled high over their pointy little heads. Oh yes, how I envy them. |
| 15:47.56 | Cairenn | (11:37:54 AM) Cairenn: unfortunately, that doesn't get websites checked, mods approved, jerks slapped down |
| 15:47.56 | Cairenn | (11:38:18 AM) Cairenn: (I especially enjoy that last one) |
| 15:47.57 | Cairenn | (11:38:43 AM) Lunessa: ... true. Or support for students who seem to think Saturday is the best day to upload an entire semester's worth of class asignments. |
| 15:48.00 | Cairenn | (11:38:50 AM) Cairenn: lol |
| 15:48.02 | Cairenn | (11:39:15 AM) Kaydeethree: what is this "sleep" that you speak of? |
| 15:48.04 | Cairenn | (11:39:24 AM) Lunessa: Sleep is for the weak? |
| 15:48.06 | Cairenn | (11:39:37 AM) Lunessa: In which case, I'll take two. |
| 15:48.08 | Cairenn | (11:40:33 AM) Cairenn: something of which I got, most unusually, a reasonable amount last night, for a change |
| 15:48.11 | Cairenn | (11:41:01 AM) Srosh: It's 17:41 here! |
| 15:48.13 | Cairenn | (11:41:17 AM) ***Lunessa boggles at Cairenn |
| 15:48.15 | Cairenn | (11:41:35 AM) Cairenn: I know, it shocked me too, Lunessa |
| 15:48.17 | Cairenn | (11:42:09 AM) Lunessa: I made the horrible mistake of "going out" last night. When I had to get up at 6am. Foolish me. |
| 15:48.20 | Cairenn | (11:42:16 AM) Cairenn: lol |
| 15:48.43 | Cairenn | (11:42:48 AM) Cairenn: you mean, like, a "social life"?!?! |
| 15:48.43 | Cairenn | (11:42:59 AM) cog|book [n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the room. |
| 15:48.43 | Cairenn | (11:43:05 AM) Cairenn: eep, hide, the world is about to end |
| 15:48.43 | Cairenn | there, didn't flood it that time |
| 15:48.43 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: amg pastey plix |
| 15:48.43 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:48.46 | Lunessa | lawl? |
| 15:49.11 | Cairenn | that would be sensible zenzelezz - can't have that, that would be as world ending as having a social life, or sufficient sleep |
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| 15:50.04 | Lunessa | I demand that I may or may not be Vroomfondel! |
| 15:50.17 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 15:50.25 | Fin | [17:43:08] <+Wobin> http://xkcd.com/c135.html |
| 15:50.37 | Kaydeethree | heh. I need to reread the series... it's been a while |
| 15:50.49 | Kaydeethree | but first, zomg hp7 is out. time to go read a legit version |
| 15:51.47 | Fin | [17:51:26] <@Cairenn> (11:39:15 AM) Kaydeethree: what is this "sleep" that you speak of? |
| 15:51.50 | Fin | [17:51:28] <@Cairenn> (11:39:24 AM) Lunessa: Sleep is for the weak? |
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| 15:51.56 | Fin | hey! those are *both* my lines! |
| 15:52.10 | Cairenn | Fin: those are everyone's lines :p |
| 15:52.15 | Fin | it's like me having a conversation with myself where I try and be witty |
| 15:52.26 | Fin | no! I claim ownership! |
| 15:52.27 | zenzelezz | in case of a conflict, Cairenn's lines supercedes Fin's |
| 15:52.30 | Fin | I'll see you in court, buddy! |
| 15:52.46 | GofG | ANyone in here use Bongos? |
| 15:52.55 | Kaydeethree | I do |
| 15:52.59 | GofG | And would be willing to help me troubleshoot my problem? |
| 15:53.05 | Cairenn | umm, in this case, the line should be "I'll see you in court, chickie!", since I'm female |
| 15:53.07 | Kaydeethree | ask away |
| 15:53.28 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: proof plz |
| 15:53.28 | GofG | So, every time I relog back into my Mage, all my hotbars are reset to page 1 |
| 15:53.35 | GofG | no matter what I set them to afterward |
| 15:53.55 | Fin | (Cairenn: yeah, I know, but I don't see people use them often (enough) and for some reason I find them particularly funny so say them all the time - just struck me as coincidental to see them together. (I'm not seriously claiming them) :P) |
| 15:54.06 | Fin | Cairenn: we can't be buddies? |
| 15:54.06 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 15:54.14 | GofG | and then, this is new, when I try to change the page back to what it is supposed to do, it doesn't change anything. It stays page 1 even though the slider says Page # |
| 15:54.16 | Cairenn | I suppose ... ;) |
| 15:54.21 | Fin | aww, shucks |
| 15:54.25 | Kaydeethree | part of me would say "make sure you've enabled paging from the right-click menu", but why are you paging bars on a non-stance-based class? |
| 15:54.28 | Fin | want to go shopping? |
| 15:54.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:54.35 | Fin | is that what female buddies do? |
| 15:54.57 | Fin | just got off the phone with my gf, sorry |
| 15:54.59 | Cairenn | more like go partying |
| 15:55.06 | Kaydeethree | I'm not sure tuller made sure that works properly for non-rogues/warriors/druids/spriests |
| 15:55.08 | Fin | we're moving in to a new place... ye gods this is going to be expensive |
| 15:55.16 | zenzelezz | all female buddies do is hang out and have pillow fights, didn't you know? |
| 15:55.22 | Fin | oh! yeah that's right |
| 15:55.24 | Lunessa | Fin there are only two ways in which a male can be buddies with a female if shopping is involved. |
| 15:55.33 | Fin | Lunessa: she's got my credit card! |
| 15:55.40 | Lunessa | That's way #1 |
| 15:55.48 | Kaydeethree | fin; hahaha |
| 15:55.59 | GofG | Kaydeethree: What do you mean? Maybe I don't fully understand how Bongos works. |
| 15:56.01 | Cairenn | in sexy little nothings, which get 1/2 torn off, after which we have a female-on-female orgy - duh |
| 15:56.13 | cog|book | O.O |
| 15:56.17 | Fin | yeah! and they keep slipping over and stuff |
| 15:56.20 | Lunessa | ... is it getting hot in here? |
| 15:56.26 | Fin | because of all the grease on the floor |
| 15:56.31 | cog|book | I hadn't looked at this window for a while 'till just then... |
| 15:56.39 | Fin | that reminds me, I'd better start getting that stuff on the floor before she gets here |
| 15:56.54 | Kaydeethree | unlock the bars "/bob lock", right click on the bar you want to page and play with the settings. I'm not in-game right now so I can't give you line-by-line instructions |
| 15:56.57 | Fin | Lunessa: go ooooon... |
| 15:57.04 | Fin | Lunessa: #2? |
| 15:57.10 | Lunessa | Way #2 is if he's gay. |
| 15:57.13 | Fin | oh |
| 15:57.22 | Kaydeethree | I was under the impression that bar paging is tied to the secure state driver and depends on what stance you're in. since mages don't have stances it'll revert to page #1 when you log back in |
| 15:57.24 | Lunessa | Then he's probably advising her on colors and styles. |
| 15:57.26 | GofG | Kaydeethree: that's what I'm doing, but what do you mean by why use paging for a non-stance class |
| 15:57.40 | GofG | Really? I thought bar paging was... much different. |
| 15:57.47 | GofG | Which is probably why... |
| 15:57.48 | GofG | bah afk |
| 15:57.57 | Lunessa | Take shopping out of the equation and things get more ... interesting. |
| 15:58.11 | Fin | I try to take shopping out the equation at every available opportunity |
| 15:58.16 | Kaydeethree | e.g. for rogues: getting in to stealth should change the bars, changing stances for warriors/forms for druids/getting into shadowform for priests/etc... |
| 15:58.39 | The_GoldFish | oh how I loathe stances |
| 15:58.41 | Fin | OK! I said I was going on my quest about 30 minutes ago and I'm still here |
| 15:59.10 | Fin | +space |
| 15:59.10 | zenzelezz | given the choice of questing and listening to Cairenn talk dirty... the choice is obvious |
| 15:59.21 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:00.22 | Lunessa | Why do I concur so easily with zenzelezz 's last staement? |
| 16:00.28 | Kaydeethree | hm? beer's not in the fridge? |
| 16:05.12 | Lunessa | ... Never be a guild leader, guild banker, site admin, and only person who understands the macro system all at once. |
| 16:06.23 | zenzelezz | at least not publically knows it |
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| 16:16.18 | GofG | Kaydeethree: That's "Stance", not "Page" |
| 16:17.08 | GofG | I think |
| 16:17.14 | GofG | I honestly have absolutely no idea how it works |
| 16:17.26 | GofG | But here is how I believe it works: (tell me I'm wrong) |
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| 16:17.45 | GofG | There's a certain number of "pages" that have a set of buttons on them |
| 16:18.09 | GofG | Page ONe might be attack, fireball, frostshield,and arcane intellect |
| 16:18.17 | GofG | YOu can set an action bar to Page One |
| 16:18.26 | GofG | or Page Two, which would be a different set of buttons |
| 16:18.53 | GofG | Obviously that's wrong, but I can't find any documentation anywhere |
| 16:18.56 | Lunessa | Stances is for changing like a warrior, rogue stealth etc. |
| 16:19.01 | The_GoldFish | yeah I never got the whole, page thing |
| 16:19.09 | Lunessa | Paging is like hitting Shift+bar number in the default ui |
| 16:19.31 | Fin | ding! levelled after completing that quest |
| 16:19.31 | The_GoldFish | so far as I know, you can page to any bar from 1-6 |
| 16:19.37 | The_GoldFish | and then 7+ etc are reserved for stances |
| 16:19.40 | Fin | awesome reward also |
| 16:19.51 | zenzelezz | Fin: grats |
| 16:20.06 | zenzelezz | I still find it more *reward*ing to listen to Cairenn though |
| 16:20.20 | Fin | I didn't listen to Cairenn? |
| 16:20.24 | The_GoldFish | Fairly sure that's one quest reward which won't be getting DEd |
| 16:20.35 | The_GoldFish | boy would that make a mess... hehe |
| 16:20.38 | Fin | heh |
| 16:20.56 | GofG | The_GoldFish: So then, if I wanted two action bars, one with my spells and one with my tradeskills, how would I set that up? |
| 16:21.06 | Fin | oh, right, got it about the Cairenn listening thing |
| 16:21.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:21.30 | zenzelezz | someone wake up TC, I don't want to have wasted that one |
| 16:21.30 | The_GoldFish | I dunno, I guess it depends what you have |
| 16:21.57 | The_GoldFish | I know a little about the original UI |
| 16:22.00 | Lunessa | GofG Just set up two bars to display. You don't need paging at all. |
| 16:22.26 | Fin | and hey, it's so nice to see that other people are confused by the whole paging thing as well as me |
| 16:22.29 | GofG | Lunessa: When I do that, when I put an ability on one of the bars, it shows up on the other bar too |
| 16:22.34 | Fin | it took me fucking months to understand how it worked |
| 16:22.35 | The_GoldFish | Yeah, I put my trade stuff on the action bars you can turn on in interface options |
| 16:22.40 | Fin | I get it now though |
| 16:22.43 | Fin | <-- clevr |
| 16:23.13 | GofG | Because, I believe, they are both on the same "page" |
| 16:23.35 | The_GoldFish | basically there are only 120 quickbar icons |
| 16:23.41 | Lunessa | GofG - Bars 1-6 shouldn't duplicate. Bar 7, 8, 9, & 10 will because they are the hidden "stance" bars in the default UI |
| 16:23.54 | GofG | Ah |
| 16:23.55 | GofG | So... |
| 16:24.00 | GofG | I get it |
| 16:24.17 | GofG | So what do I set the pages to? |
| 16:24.35 | Lunessa | IDK - UR BFF JILL? |
| 16:24.46 | Kaydeethree | you shouldn't have to mess with paging at all |
| 16:24.52 | Lunessa | Seriously though... You don't need to set ANY pages. |
| 16:24.54 | GofG | Okay, set them all to 0 then :) |
| 16:25.07 | The_GoldFish | well, it depends, you must be using some sort of addon, any of the original bar stuff shouldn't duplicate ever |
| 16:25.27 | Lunessa | Paging just duplicates the default UI's behavior of allowing you to SHIFT+# to get to a specific bar. |
| 16:25.44 | The_GoldFish | I have to press shift-1 every time I log in |
| 16:26.01 | The_GoldFish | cause I hate stances! |
| 16:26.02 | Lunessa | The_GoldFish: In the default UI, Attack and a couple other things are auto-added to the stance bars. |
| 16:26.33 | The_GoldFish | hmmm, that would make sense, I made a druid the other day and there were all these attacks on my bars |
| 16:26.39 | The_GoldFish | where as I'd never had that with eg my priest |
| 16:26.50 | The_GoldFish | but I guess druids have more stances |
| 16:26.52 | The_GoldFish | and melee |
| 16:27.01 | Lunessa | Right. |
| 16:27.51 | The_GoldFish | Either way, I had a right tizwaz with the default UI over stances |
| 16:29.21 | The_GoldFish | cause the first time I turned shadowform on, my bar full of spells suddenly turned into a bar full of potions - I'd hacked together a bar mod so I could use the other hidden bars (which I had no idea where used for stances) and there was seemingly no way to stop it doing it |
| 16:30.50 | Lunessa | Haha. That stance change for Shadowform is a relatively recent addition. Would have been handy while I was leveling my priest from 58-60 solo. |
| 16:31.40 | The_GoldFish | Yeah, well, like I say, I completely wasn't expecting it |
| 16:31.47 | The_GoldFish | frankly I have no need whatsoever for the stance change |
| 16:32.15 | The_GoldFish | but I didn't wanna dedicate 2 whole bars to being my default spell bar! |
| 16:32.30 | The_GoldFish | it pissed me off for at least a day till I worked out how to get around it |
| 16:33.07 | The_GoldFish | had to recode chunks of a modified bar mod I'd whipped up to jsut give additional bars (not just replace the whole UI, I liked - up until that stupid stance change - the default UI) |
| 16:33.36 | Thrae | Most Bar Addons give stance changes for Shadowform, so I guess Blizz thought it was a good idea. Most of the newer changes to the UI started out as very popular, fan-made addons. |
| 16:33.52 | Lunessa | I've been using action bar mods for so long, I occasionally forget what it's like to use the default. |
| 16:35.08 | The_GoldFish | I just would have appreciated the choice is all |
| 16:35.09 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 16:35.52 | Thrae | The_GoldFish: You could use an Action Bar addon to stop the page swap ;) |
| 16:36.24 | The_GoldFish | I would if there was one that looked and worked exactly like the original ui in every *other* way :P |
| 16:36.43 | Kaydeethree | ct_barmod? |
| 16:36.44 | The_GoldFish | I look at most of the ui mods and think they're hidious! |
| 16:37.04 | The_GoldFish | I dunno, I might have tried it, I tried a few, gave up and hacked my own |
| 16:37.05 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 16:37.16 | The_GoldFish | from I think an early version of popbar, hehe |
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| 16:50.31 | The_GoldFish | I'm sure you'll all think I'm some sort of insane heathen, but I'm still using something which looks like; http://tgf.the-icebox.com/tgfuidealy.JPG (about 500k!!) |
| 16:50.32 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
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| 16:51.45 | nevcairiel | that looks so -- default :p |
| 16:52.13 | The_GoldFish | yeah, but with EXTRA GOOD BITS |
| 16:52.16 | The_GoldFish | which is all I ever wanted |
| 16:56.42 | Lunessa | You're a clicker? |
| 16:57.45 | The_GoldFish | mix and match |
| 16:58.17 | Corrodias | i click on rarely-used, non-combat abilities, although i think Flare is one of those |
| 16:58.39 | Corrodias | beast lore, eyes of the beast, etc |
| 16:58.40 | The_GoldFish | fireworks and psychic scream are things I rarely click on, hehe |
| 16:59.48 | The_GoldFish | the only macros I have are those 4 in the middle, which are all fundamentally basic, heh |
| 17:02.34 | Lunessa | Right. I'm the same way. I hot key for most things, using 1 through = and Alt/Ctrl versions of the same. But I still have lots of "clickable" things for stuff I don't use all the time, but still need to find in a hurry. |
| 17:04.51 | zenzelezz | what are those fancy colored circles near the bottom left? |
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| 17:05.05 | The_GoldFish | SYGWEGTL? |
| 17:05.21 | The_GoldFish | they go all flashy whenever stuff happens in one of the chat channels |
| 17:05.45 | The_GoldFish | truth is I don't know how to get rid of it, I didn't put it there, stupid cosmos! |
| 17:05.46 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 17:07.01 | The_GoldFish | typically though, if I'm targetting with the mouse (or using those center macros) I'm shooting with the keyboard, and if I'm targeting with the keyboard I'm shooting with the mouse |
| 17:10.57 | zenzelezz | good times: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=304140729&sid=1 |
| 17:12.19 | Lunessa | " Yeah, and don't forget to remove Dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. They're ganking like mad in that movie." |
| 17:15.54 | The_GoldFish | I'd laugh |
| 17:16.04 | The_GoldFish | but those damn dino's ate me twice last night |
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| 17:17.14 | The_GoldFish | and our tank got chased halfway around the map by King Mosh, hehe |
| 17:17.40 | Lunessa | I should go back and rock King Mosh's world. I owe him a few... |
| 17:18.09 | Kirov | That is, if you can find him. |
| 17:18.14 | Kirov | He's a sneaky bastard |
| 17:18.55 | Lunessa | Oh, I have his spawn all mapped out. |
| 17:20.16 | The_GoldFish | he's pretty easy to find |
| 17:20.30 | The_GoldFish | look for level 48s running around shouting ohshitohshitohshit |
| 17:21.11 | Kirov | I actually managed to solo King Mosh when I was lvl 48ish |
| 17:21.28 | Corrodias | either that's impressive or you're a paladin |
| 17:21.46 | Kirov | I just finished killing something, went to eat, couldn't, thought "that's odd, why am I in combat?" then a huge head filled my screen. |
| 17:21.47 | Kirov | hunter |
| 17:21.56 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 17:22.17 | The_GoldFish | yeah, that's pretty how much most of those devilsaur events go down |
| 17:22.18 | Kirov | my pet died, but so did King Mosh |
| 17:22.56 | The_GoldFish | interestingly, I managed to psychic scream one and it ran away |
| 17:23.27 | The_GoldFish | I really really wasn't expecting it to work, hehe |
| 17:23.57 | zenzelezz | you can fear quite a lot of things really |
| 17:24.10 | The_GoldFish | I rarely try |
| 17:24.17 | The_GoldFish | mainly because everyone in the party shouts at you |
| 17:24.18 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 17:24.32 | zenzelezz | my biggest "uh oh" moment was when I discovered that Intimidating Shout doesn't work well on undead targets |
| 17:24.47 | The_GoldFish | yeah I had a similar epiphany |
| 17:25.21 | Corrodias | i found a map someone posted somewhere of where the devilsaurs patrolled |
| 17:25.30 | Corrodias | had some good times farming up devilsaur leather on my druid |
| 17:28.28 | Corrodias | wowdigger has to improve their client, i think. it takes 10 times as long to upload as the other clients do. |
| 17:29.04 | Kirov | It takes a lot longer when it has to upload all of your porn each time. |
| 17:29.23 | Corrodias | that would take ages |
| 17:29.36 | Corrodias | cthulhu would awake before i could upload all that |
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| 17:32.04 | Lunessa | Too many people think fear is useless as CC. More fool them I say. A well timed fear effect is a great tool. ' |
| 17:33.27 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 17:34.42 | Industrial | people fear fear |
| 17:34.48 | Industrial | when they hear the sound they panic |
| 17:35.03 | Industrial | whats happening whats happening *chaos* |
| 17:35.10 | zenzelezz | we use fear all the time on Aran's adds |
| 17:35.43 | sag_ich_nicht | R.I.P. Atlas Instance Level Ranges Project |
| 17:35.44 | sag_ich_nicht | about time :O |
| 17:36.06 | zenzelezz | what was that? |
| 17:36.52 | sag_ich_nicht | http://atlasmod.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=601&st=0&sk=t&sd=a |
| 17:37.08 | sag_ich_nicht | check the last page for a download link to updated it until 1.9.2 of atlas gets out |
| 17:38.37 | Corrodias | i -really- like EnableAddOn and DisableAddOn |
| 17:38.41 | Corrodias | beats relogging every time |
| 17:46.05 | Matrix110 | Corrodias take a look at ACP or another ingame Addon Manager |
| 17:46.16 | Matrix110 | Thats even better |
| 17:46.47 | Matrix110 | Defining a "raid" set of addons a "arena" set of addons a "soloing" set of addons a "5man group set of addons" etc. is good aswell |
| 17:47.43 | Corrodias | as long as it isn't one of those "load on demand" managers... |
| 17:48.53 | Matrix110 | It can load LoD addons but you can also tick on tick off every other mod and press the ReloadUI button for enabling/disabling the changes you made |
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| 18:05.39 | Corrodias | looks neat |
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| 18:49.58 | Kirov | hmm... ACP is nice, I can finally get rid of MCP |
| 18:54.41 | nevcairiel | i like rMCP |
| 18:58.24 | sag_ich_nicht | is there a mod for a calculator inside of WoW? :P |
| 18:58.44 | Kirov | yeah |
| 18:58.46 | zenzelezz | several I think |
| 19:00.23 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.37 | Tem | that's all the calculator you'll ever need |
| 19:01.13 | Kirov | lol |
| 19:03.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Tem: true enough |
| 19:03.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll still take a GUI with it tho |
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| 19:20.20 | Fin | Tem: need ~= want :P |
| 19:20.50 | zenzelezz | Your Misdirection crits Maintankone. Threat permamently redirected. |
| 19:20.58 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 19:21.08 | Fin | k3wlz0rZ |
| 19:21.10 | jme | http://i10.tinypic.com/62ruuld |
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| 19:21.24 | jme | pug against a premade too :X |
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| 19:22.05 | Industrial | shh shh shes back |
| 19:22.06 | Industrial | shh |
| 19:22.21 | Fin | and then she was like |
| 19:22.28 | Fin | er never mind |
| 19:25.34 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah a heard that she |
| 19:25.35 | sag_ich_nicht | er |
| 19:25.36 | sag_ich_nicht | never mind |
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| 19:27.58 | Bam__ | on the PTR they removed GetActionFromMacroText and SecureCmdOptionParseArgs... do anybody know if there is some replacement functionality? |
| 19:29.21 | Bam__ | if not, I can pretty much trash the addon I been working on :( |
| 19:30.00 | Tem | Bam__, l2readiriel's thread |
| 19:30.07 | Tem | also, those functions were lua |
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| 19:30.28 | Bam__ | tem: yes I do and are you saying my question is answeredd? |
| 19:30.52 | Tem | so there's nothing stopping you from just pulling the old ones if you still need them |
| 19:31.08 | Tem | however, I'm pretty confident they were replaced with C functions which are mentioned in Iriel's thread |
| 19:31.25 | Tem | (that being said, I haven't looked myself) |
| 19:31.33 | Iriel | They are/have been |
| 19:31.36 | Iriel | The PTR is up |
| 19:32.47 | Bam__ | hmm... I used them to implement visual feedback for SecureActionButtons... I don't see how I can get that information now if Blizzard does not provide a "hook" into their C implementation |
| 19:34.12 | Iriel | You can still call them |
| 19:34.30 | Iriel | They're just not written in lua any more |
| 19:34.41 | Iriel | Or are you saying they're gone completely? |
| 19:34.46 | Bam__ | yes they are |
| 19:34.51 | Iriel | I'll admit I wasn't paying quite as much attention as I could've been |
| 19:35.08 | Bam__ | I scanned the global environment for changes.. those function no longer exist |
| 19:35.27 | Iriel | SecureCmdOptionParse is the new one, I think |
| 19:35.49 | Iriel | The macro text one, however, may be gone |
| 19:36.00 | Iriel | You can post on the 2.0 changes thread requested it be retained |
| 19:36.07 | Iriel | 2.2 changes, even |
| 19:36.30 | Bam__ | EU account sadly |
| 19:36.45 | Bam__ | hence why I ask here :) |
| 19:38.36 | Bam__ | but basically what I would like to know is if Blizzard wants to support addons providing visual feedback for macros and macrotext... obviously they don't need it themselves now since they only use SecureActionButton for type="action" |
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| 19:45.41 | Iriel | I think blizzard's approach is that they want to provide highly optimized C++ implementations of visual feedback for macros |
| 19:45.54 | Iriel | 2.2 is substantially improved both in terms of functionality AND performance from 2.1 |
| 19:47.20 | Bam__ | yes, that's also a great idea for their own UI... but it sort of cuts off our ability to code addons that provide this for buttons that don't have type="action" |
| 19:47.47 | Industrial | Can I drag/resize chat frames to fit my layout with lua with setpoint? |
| 19:48.06 | Industrial | or will it reset |
| 19:48.29 | zenzelezz | I did it to mine anyhow |
| 19:48.43 | zenzelezz | but I don't know if it sticks across sessions |
| 19:48.50 | zenzelezz | I put it in an OnLoad |
| 19:48.59 | Tem | Bam__, I think you'll run into more serious barriers to making buttons that fake being action buttons than macro feedback |
| 19:49.27 | Tem | plus it's a whole lot of effort for _very_ little payoff |
| 19:49.40 | Bam__ | Tem: I have it working pretty well though... only the visual feedback is an issue |
| 19:49.45 | Tem | what do you gain from not using type="action"? |
| 19:50.03 | Tem | Bam__, IsCurrentAction |
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| 19:50.10 | Tem | you can't do that afaik |
| 19:50.28 | Tem | there are other problems, like showing cooldowns |
| 19:50.30 | Bam__ | much more customizability in terms of state changes and not being limited to the 120 action slots |
| 19:50.42 | Tem | how do you figure? |
| 19:50.55 | Tem | any customizability you have for actions you have for spells |
| 19:50.57 | Bam__ | cooldown is not an issue if I can just know what action is "pending" |
| 19:51.05 | Tem | there isn't anything "more" |
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| 19:51.39 | Tem | basically, it's just not worth the effort imo |
| 19:52.59 | Tem | drag and drop of spells, macros and items would be a pain as well |
| 19:53.24 | Tem | (especially dragging off of your button) |
| 19:53.26 | Bam__ | drag and drop is problematic yes... but doable... at least when not in combat |
| 19:53.34 | Tem | additionally, they wouldn't changable in combat |
| 19:53.39 | Tem | yeah... |
| 19:53.43 | Tem | too many limitations |
| 19:53.46 | Tem | too many hacks |
| 19:53.52 | Tem | too much code duplication |
| 19:54.15 | Tem | anyway, I've gotta run |
| 19:54.26 | Bam__ | you aren't thinking too far I think.... I have it pretty well working :P |
| 19:54.45 | Bam__ | but it relies on those functions I mentioned |
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| 19:55.05 | Tem | my point is that you'll never get it to look _exactly_ like a normal action button |
| 19:55.07 | kergoth | doesnt infinibar do something like that? |
| 19:55.16 | Tem | and you've got all these nasty workarounds along the way |
| 19:55.29 | Bam__ | yes it is basically an addon similar to InfiniBar I am working on |
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| 19:55.53 | Bam__ | but as you know... the author is MIA :( |
| 19:55.56 | Tem | also, doing your macro feedback manually will be pretty intensive |
| 19:56.17 | Tem | it just got moved into C for normal action buttons for a reason |
| 19:56.17 | Bam__ | exactly.. that's why I would like to call Blizzard's function :) |
| 19:56.26 | sag_ich_nicht | WOW |
| 19:56.37 | sag_ich_nicht | blizzard has a flaw in their aura system :O |
| 19:56.50 | zenzelezz | do they now? |
| 19:56.52 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 19:57.02 | zenzelezz | let me rephrase |
| 19:57.05 | zenzelezz | "please elaborate" |
| 19:57.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 19:57.11 | sag_ich_nicht | i am typing |
| 19:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 19:57.15 | Tem|AFK | Bam__, good luck. I hope the headaches this project causes you are less than I anticipate |
| 19:57.33 | sag_ich_nicht | depending on who has PvP flags enabled/disabled, the aura does not afflict other players, basicially someone with pvp flag can have his aura afflict other players, but someone with it off can not afflict people with it on |
| 19:57.34 | sag_ich_nicht | now |
| 19:57.35 | Bam__ | Tem|AFK: lol thanks |
| 19:57.39 | sag_ich_nicht | this is not a bug in itself |
| 19:57.43 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT |
| 19:57.49 | sag_ich_nicht | this shouldn't be happening on pvp servers |
| 19:57.52 | sag_ich_nicht | because that's just dumb |
| 19:57.53 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 19:58.02 | sag_ich_nicht | (might as well be a flaw in the pvp flag system, not in the aura system) |
| 19:58.05 | sag_ich_nicht | same problem tho |
| 19:58.05 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:58.17 | Tem|AFK | people that aren't flagged won't aoe buff people that are |
| 19:58.29 | Tem|AFK | this include group buffs and auras |
| 19:58.41 | Tem|AFK | becase if they did, they would be flagged as well |
| 19:59.17 | Iriel | Yeah, I can't understand why that's wrong |
| 19:59.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Tem|AFK: yes |
| 19:59.28 | sag_ich_nicht | but on a pvp server, the pvp flag is pointless |
| 19:59.31 | Iriel | A "PvP server" just controls how much effect you have on your flag |
| 19:59.35 | Iriel | Not really |
| 19:59.39 | Iriel | Orgrimmar, for example |
| 19:59.46 | Iriel | I'm not flagged there |
| 19:59.51 | Iriel | I'm safe from invading allies |
| 20:00.14 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:00.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ...pvp servers are badly designed? :P |
| 20:00.37 | zenzelezz | also the starting zones |
| 20:00.38 | zenzelezz | no |
| 20:00.40 | Industrial | Is there a tinypad-like mod that can run pages of lua when you log in? |
| 20:00.42 | Iriel | Not at all |
| 20:00.49 | Iriel | as soon as I enter contested lands i'm flagged |
| 20:00.52 | Iriel | which is most of the world |
| 20:00.56 | Bam__ | Industrial: Lua Slinger |
| 20:01.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: that just means you and i have a different concept of pvp :P |
| 20:01.23 | Bam__ | dunno if it's the best.. but I've used it for a while |
| 20:01.24 | sag_ich_nicht | but yes |
| 20:01.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i admit i was wrong |
| 20:01.31 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 20:01.52 | Iriel | They have to strike a balance between danger/excitement and the game being tolerable |
| 20:01.57 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. shame on your for not being flagged in og :P |
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| 20:02.14 | Industrial | Bam__: thanks |
| 20:02.15 | Iriel | What fun would it be if L40 jerkoff rogue could hang around in the starting area |
| 20:02.42 | Iriel | I'm usually flagged in org, since i've usually been somewhere contested |
| 20:02.46 | Cowgra | what fun is it when lvl 70 jerkoff mage hangs out in hillsbrad? |
| 20:02.47 | sag_ich_nicht | the problem is that you don't run to help if l40 jerk rogue is ganking lvl 4 noobplayer |
| 20:02.48 | Iriel | My bank character, however, is never flagged |
| 20:02.48 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 20:03.00 | Iriel | Cowgra: Well, less so, but i have a choice about going to hillsbrad |
| 20:03.52 | Cowgra | technically you have a choice about what starting area you level in although admittedly it does take some work to go to another one. |
| 20:03.54 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 20:04.17 | Bam__ | there are always PvE servers for the rest of us :D |
| 20:04.33 | deltron | darkfall? |
| 20:04.40 | Cowgra | i'm just playing the antagonist. i do and always have played on pvp servers |
| 20:04.50 | Iriel | I play on both types |
| 20:04.51 | zenzelezz | to be fair, WoW has a fairly robust PvP system |
| 20:05.27 | deltron | pvp was extremely boring when WoW first came out |
| 20:05.28 | Bam__ | I like to control when my heart rate goes berzerk :D |
| 20:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: except pvp servers are pve servers with forceflagging in some areas. |
| 20:05.47 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: and they don't claim to be anything else |
| 20:06.18 | sag_ich_nicht | you should be flagged everywhere, the guards are enough already imho |
| 20:06.44 | zenzelezz | if you want to be flagged, just flag yourself |
| 20:06.47 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe move guards in green areas then ;) |
| 20:06.52 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz i am |
| 20:07.01 | Cowgra | imagine having everyone flagged in shattrath |
| 20:07.08 | zenzelezz | I can't quite picture guards all through Barrens |
| 20:07.14 | sag_ich_nicht | shat is sanctuary |
| 20:07.17 | zenzelezz | just to let the lowbies get a grasp of the game |
| 20:07.20 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: i am talking about spawning guards |
| 20:07.42 | deltron | barrens is so open compared to alliance towns |
| 20:07.57 | zenzelezz | comparing Barrens to a town is a bit misrepresenting |
| 20:08.03 | deltron | ok |
| 20:08.10 | deltron | then any alliance controlled zone |
| 20:08.36 | The_GoldFish | you can walk straight into UC through the sewer the bats fly in |
| 20:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | having guards spawn when you attack a player in a "protected" zone would also fit the reason for the protection better imho |
| 20:08.53 | sag_ich_nicht | then just being unable to attack |
| 20:09.13 | zenzelezz | would be pretty silly after a while |
| 20:09.24 | zenzelezz | "hey, there's those magic guards that follow this guy in stealth" |
| 20:10.07 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 20:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | it's just "hey this area is protected by the [faction] and under it's control if you attack that guy he yells for help and you are crushed by the combined force of the [faction]" |
| 20:11.31 | zenzelezz | I'd still find it stupid :-) |
| 20:11.32 | The_GoldFish | I think they expect other high level players to do it or something |
| 20:11.40 | The_GoldFish | but who'd go to the barrens |
| 20:11.49 | sag_ich_nicht | The_GoldFish that's exactly what should happen |
| 20:11.52 | sag_ich_nicht | but what isn't happening |
| 20:12.19 | sag_ich_nicht | because, except for servers like dark iron where you can find "real" gamers, there are too many casual, lazy people |
| 20:12.20 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 20:12.41 | The_GoldFish | some hunter and warrior ran into silvermoon the other day, they were exploiting the east side AH's side steps to avoid all the guards |
| 20:12.59 | zenzelezz | there's nothing I hate more than the people that whine about those of us that don't care about PvP... "zomg horde at <...> !!! were r u 70s???" |
| 20:13.13 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 20:13.15 | sag_ich_nicht | reroll pve. |
| 20:13.18 | sag_ich_nicht | get off my pvp server |
| 20:13.23 | sag_ich_nicht | simple as that |
| 20:13.26 | The_GoldFish | kept killing all the AH members |
| 20:13.47 | zenzelezz | I am on a PvE server :-p |
| 20:13.49 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:04] <deltron> darkfall? <-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkfall |
| 20:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz then you have no right to participate in this discussion :P |
| 20:14.04 | The_GoldFish | they were only like, 60ish we think |
| 20:14.07 | Iriel | The only real problem I have with WoW PvP is there's no enforcement of honor |
| 20:14.08 | zenzelezz | my first 60 was on PvP because of friends there, and I didn't give a damn about PvP |
| 20:14.20 | The_GoldFish | we (group of 41s) took them down a few times |
| 20:14.25 | Iriel | so 3 L70's can happily take out my L40 with impunity, again and again |
| 20:14.34 | Iriel | Sure, it's war, but there's no honor in that kind of encounter |
| 20:14.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel war has no honor. |
| 20:14.47 | The_GoldFish | and there literally isn't any honour in it |
| 20:14.48 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 20:14.53 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a brutal, inhuman action |
| 20:15.16 | Iriel | Sadly, there are many practical reasons why they can't enforce it well. |
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| 20:15.26 | The_GoldFish | the only things at war in WoW are the people playing it, the mobs don't do dick |
| 20:15.35 | Iriel | Well, TRUE war does, but WoW is somewhat the idealized historic view of war as an epic battle of wills, honor, skill, etc |
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| 20:15.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel war never was that, tho. |
| 20:16.14 | The_GoldFish | early Japan? |
| 20:16.30 | zenzelezz | wasn't at the time, that's a delusion we have now |
| 20:16.36 | sag_ich_nicht | correct zenzelezz |
| 20:16.48 | sag_ich_nicht | the honor was AFTER the battle |
| 20:17.08 | zenzelezz | but people don't play games like WoW for realism; if they wanted that they'd play something like Armed Assault |
| 20:17.09 | Iriel | But there was also who was involved in the battle |
| 20:17.33 | Iriel | (Differentiating 'battles' from 'pillaging') |
| 20:17.48 | sag_ich_nicht | when you were found to have acted dishonorable by your shogun |
| 20:17.50 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 20:17.59 | sag_ich_nicht | you were executed by having to commit seppuku :P |
| 20:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | (that's not completely accurate, i know, but i cba to go into the details) |
| 20:18.47 | Iriel | The point made by zenz is a good one though |
| 20:18.55 | Iriel | The 'war' is simply a justification of conflict |
| 20:19.06 | Iriel | Within which we hopefully get challenge, excitement, etc |
| 20:19.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel |
| 20:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | have you ever played UO? :P |
| 20:20.08 | Iriel | No, it was timed badly w.r.t. other parts of my life |
| 20:20.29 | sag_ich_nicht | w.r.t.? |
| 20:20.52 | zenzelezz | with regards to |
| 20:20.55 | Iriel | Mmo's have only been CoH, Jumpgate, AO, AC2, Eve Online, ATITD, WoW, DAoC |
| 20:20.56 | sag_ich_nicht | ty |
| 20:21.10 | zenzelezz | "only" |
| 20:21.10 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 20:21.16 | sag_ich_nicht | i liked the PvP in UO :P |
| 20:21.34 | zenzelezz | you should see AO PvP, at least before I left |
| 20:21.41 | zenzelezz | aimedshot <repeat> |
| 20:21.42 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone who disagrees that UO PvP was godly, was a bad player :P |
| 20:22.14 | sag_ich_nicht | and deserved to be exitblocked, killed and looted |
| 20:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 20:22.18 | Iriel | (Actually there's D&DO and LOTRO as well, but those dont really count given time played) |
| 20:22.52 | Iriel | I have no sense for the UO community, was it as broadly popular in terms of demographic as WoW |
| 20:22.58 | Iriel | As I think that's a large part of the problem |
| 20:23.04 | Iriel | or 'problem' |
| 20:23.10 | Iriel | depending on how recently i've been ganked |
| 20:23.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: considering UO was the "first" MMO |
| 20:24.03 | sag_ich_nicht | it had a pretty big community for the time back then |
| 20:24.13 | Iriel | Im talking breadth tho, not size |
| 20:24.47 | sag_ich_nicht | it had :) |
| 20:24.56 | Iriel | As the 'first' MMO, I suspect there were a much larger percentage of folks from traditional RPG backgrounds with a much greater sense of what was 'right' |
| 20:24.59 | sag_ich_nicht | you had a lot more hardcore gamers back then of course |
| 20:25.13 | Iriel | beyond simply 'whatever I want to do is right' obviously |
| 20:25.19 | sag_ich_nicht | there were a lot of dicks |
| 20:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | trust me |
| 20:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 20:26.03 | sag_ich_nicht | in UO you had safezones too |
| 20:26.25 | sag_ich_nicht | you had guards, and you could actually yell for them |
| 20:27.02 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many new AO players I saw get tricked into attacking friendly guards |
| 20:27.03 | The_GoldFish | great so people could run 2 accounts and call them away from their attack, hehe |
| 20:27.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: UO had a full player loot system, so the economy was a bit different :) |
| 20:27.45 | sag_ich_nicht | which affected PvP quite a bit |
| 20:28.01 | sag_ich_nicht | (and reverse, obviously) |
| 20:29.21 | Iriel | i'm sure |
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| 20:31.10 | sag_ich_nicht | basicially you were a lot more scared of attacking someone |
| 20:31.36 | sag_ich_nicht | because he might call all his friends and you'd lose all your items :) |
| 20:31.40 | The_GoldFish | I suppose it was more of a standoff |
| 20:32.29 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 20:32.43 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, it was a motivation and a demotivation at the same time |
| 20:32.52 | sag_ich_nicht | it made you think before you attacked someone :) |
| 20:35.45 | Iriel | That's the tricky tradeoff in wow |
| 20:35.48 | The_GoldFish | and to be clear, there are no 'rules' as such with PvP, you just attack someone or you don't - it's the players who do the ganking etc, the idea that "hey, wait, I'm really just being a dick" doesn't cross their mind |
| 20:35.56 | Iriel | the lack of 'death severity' makes it a much more approachable and pleasant game |
| 20:36.18 | Iriel | but it also leads to griefing being much more tolerated |
| 20:36.44 | sag_ich_nicht | correct |
| 20:38.01 | The_GoldFish | so far as I can tell, on PvE servers, the majority of any half decent PvP happens in the instanced PvP areas, and everywhere else is gank city |
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| 20:38.46 | The_GoldFish | mainly because no one cares |
| 20:40.32 | The_GoldFish | and afterall, why should they |
| 20:40.43 | Bam__ | Iriel: I think the "saving" function for me is QueryCastSequence... it still exists and is not called at all by Blizzard's code... so I wonder if it is intended for addons to use of if it's an oversight that it's still there :) |
| 20:41.08 | Iriel | It could just be a nod to the community from slouken |
| 20:41.14 | Iriel | he leaves useful things exposed often |
| 20:44.43 | Bam__ | I do wonder a bit though.. if the entire visual feedback computation has been implemented in C, then there is actually two versions of it now... the C one and the Lua one that is used for controlling sequences when actually casting |
| 20:44.53 | Bam__ | that's a code smell if nothing else :P |
| 20:46.34 | Iriel | most of the lua one is gone, IIRC |
| 20:47.31 | Bam__ | ExecuteCastSequence still remains and is the one that actually determines what is to be cast based on the CastSequenceManager |
| 20:48.14 | Bam__ | so I guess there must be some duplicated logic in the C code |
| 20:49.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Bam__ have you checked on the PTR too? :P |
| 20:49.23 | Bam__ | yea it's the PTR code I am talking about |
| 20:49.57 | Bam__ | which I suppose may not be finished yet |
| 20:50.38 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 20:51.16 | Bam__ | I've really had my head up the arse of the part of the Lua code lol |
| 20:51.32 | Bam__ | excuse my French :P |
| 20:52.07 | Iriel | If you can summarize your questions around duplication and extension, email them to iriel@iriel.org, and ping me here to remind me when you have, I can post them in the forum for yuo |
| 20:52.15 | Iriel | or possibly answer what I can via email first 8-) |
| 20:52.23 | Bam__ | ok :) |
| 20:54.47 | Bam__ | I cannot be 100% sure of course... since I don't know the C code :P |
| 20:55.00 | Iriel | Of course -- that's why we ask slouken stuff 8-) |
| 20:55.29 | Bam__ | Slouken: send me the C code and I will debug it for you :D |
| 20:55.45 | Iriel | He doesn't fall for that one 8-) |
| 20:55.50 | Bam__ | :( |
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| 20:56.39 | Iriel | But he tends to be very good about 'Can you expose this bit of the implementation so we can do XYZ' as long as XYZ is useful and consistent with the spirit of the UI/game |
| 20:57.31 | Bam__ | yea well... part of what I would like to know is also how far they want to extend the support for non-actionslot buttons really |
| 20:58.50 | Iriel | I suspect a practical solution to full support for all of their types would be encouraged |
| 20:59.21 | ckknight | why won't he give me what I want, though? *whimper* |
| 20:59.35 | Bam__ | I would love to see then implement a button like ActionBarButton that supports all types |
| 20:59.45 | Bam__ | that is basically what I've been trying to implement :P |
| 20:59.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: because you are a dick |
| 20:59.59 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 21:04.22 | ckknight | things I want: :SetTexCoord without bleeding, reverse direction for StatusBar, sane combat log arguments, and there was one more thing, but I forget it right now. |
| 21:04.35 | Kaso | Ooh i like some of the lua codes snippits at iriel.org |
| 21:04.37 | Iriel | The event ones are tricky because they're soo 'established' |
| 21:04.41 | Kaso | like the subframe cache thingy |
| 21:04.59 | Iriel | Kaso: They need to be updated, the ace folks had a couple of good ideas for improvements. |
| 21:05.02 | ckknight | Iriel: so what about the other two? |
| 21:05.05 | Iriel | Kaso: but thanks. |
| 21:05.09 | ckknight | I at least want reverse status bars |
| 21:05.24 | ckknight | currently I have to use massive hacks to accomplish it |
| 21:05.26 | Iriel | ckknight: The SetTexCoord one likely depends heavily on the underlying graphics libraries, it may not be that easy, I dunno |
| 21:05.33 | ckknight | yea, I figured |
| 21:05.42 | Iriel | ckknight: As for the status bars, I suspect that's just purely a time/effort thing.. I can't think of a reason beyond that for not doing it. |
| 21:05.53 | ckknight | reverse status bars seems the easiest |
| 21:05.58 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 21:06.00 | ckknight | I wantses it |
| 21:06.18 | Iriel | The trick there is probably to make a really cool UI using the hack version, so cool that blizzard implement it themselves, and thus need the functionality |
| 21:07.26 | ckknight | it's been done! |
| 21:07.33 | ckknight | nobody seems to care, though |
| 21:07.35 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 21:07.38 | ckknight | and Grid does it |
| 21:07.40 | ckknight | by default |
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| 21:07.53 | Bam__ | definition of "cool" is perhaps the problem :P |
| 21:09.50 | Iriel | I forget who it is who has the magic touch for requests, tekkub perhaps |
| 21:11.41 | Bam__ | does it require a magic touch or just good arguments? :) |
| 21:11.55 | Iriel | A little from column A, a little from column B |
| 21:12.02 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 21:12.51 | ckknight | well, I tacked it on Cog's thread |
| 21:13.04 | Iriel | That's a good start, he does at least read that |
| 21:16.46 | Bam__ | I like this comment in UIParent.lua: "Designers previously wanted these disabled when feared, they seem to have changed their minds" :D |
| 21:24.02 | Tain | Finished Deathly Hallows (not spoiling or discussing further! Just saying.) |
| 21:24.58 | clad|away | gz |
| 21:25.54 | ckknight | Harry dies of a heart attack after eating a really greasy cheeseburger |
| 21:26.10 | Tain | I could go for a cheeseburger. |
| 21:26.20 | Tain | Hold the heart attack. |
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| 21:30.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Voldemort winds up killing himself. |
| 21:38.15 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.39 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.42 | Iriel | That;'s my favorite |
| 21:42.46 | Bam__ | how about FloatingChatFrame.lua: -- New version of the crazy function :D |
| 21:43.00 | Iriel | Much of FCF is crazy |
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| 21:54.15 | TheZanke | is there a way to get rid of combat log(i am using eaves drop) |
| 21:55.05 | Matrix110 | are you using more than 1 chattab? |
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| 21:55.25 | TheZanke | i have 2 tabs |
| 21:55.35 | TheZanke | not including combat log |
| 21:55.50 | Matrix110 | hmm are they seperated or you switch via the tabs? |
| 21:56.14 | Matrix110 | But normally you can just delete the combatlog frame or am i wrong? |
| 21:56.16 | TheZanke | well until jiust now i had general and "Private Messages" tabbed and combat log somewhere else |
| 21:56.19 | Matrix110 | not on so i cant check |
| 21:56.35 | TheZanke | i clicked "remove window" but when i relogged it was back |
| 21:56.43 | Matrix110 | hmm |
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| 22:18.21 | Bam__ | I wonder if this is considered a bug: Tooltips for action buttons with macros don't update if the effective action changes while the tooltip is displayed |
| 22:19.11 | |Jelly| | Drunk forum posting = bad idea. rofl |
| 22:19.56 | Kaso | i doubt it Bam, thats kinda just how the system works, once the tooltip is Show() only items refresh for changed data |
| 22:20.53 | Kaso | i'd be a pain the ass if they refreshed every tooltip like they do the itemtooltips for cooldowns |
| 22:21.03 | Kaso | redraw the tooltip 4 times a second? whyever not! |
| 22:21.03 | ckknight | |Jelly|: link? |
| 22:21.08 | Bam__ | aha... then I will try with a macro that shows an item :P |
| 22:21.11 | |Jelly| | No. You'll yell at me. |
| 22:21.30 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 22:21.53 | ckknight | c'mon |
| 22:22.25 | ckknight | found it. |
| 22:22.32 | |Jelly| | Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 22:22.33 | Bam__ | Kaso: they actually used to update action tooltips 5 times a second regardless :P |
| 22:22.41 | |Jelly| | I can only recall being an asshole to one person. |
| 22:22.49 | Kaso | well thank god they stopped that |
| 22:23.10 | Kaso | the item tooltip system is retarded enough as it is |
| 22:23.28 | Bam__ | so they still do it for all item tooltips? |
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| 22:23.50 | Kaso | its been a while since i did tooltips but yeh, in some situations at least |
| 22:23.59 | Kaso | so the "Cooldown 59 seconds" can update |
| 22:24.38 | Bam__ | this is on PTR btw |
| 22:25.11 | Kaso | well the tooltip code hasnt changed much this patch has it i dont think? |
| 22:25.30 | ckknight | |Jelly|: that guy was a douche, though |
| 22:25.35 | Bam__ | it has on the PTR code |
| 22:25.44 | |Jelly| | That's what I thought. And called him on it. |
| 22:25.48 | |Jelly| | I love his new question. |
| 22:26.17 | |Jelly| | ...logically speaking, unless your wow crashed (due to running out of memory) would mods being memory hogs have anything to do with one of the simply not working? |
| 22:26.42 | Bam__ | bleh I don't have any cooldown items to test with :P |
| 22:27.07 | Kaso | hearthstone |
| 22:27.46 | Bam__ | yea could do that... i just counts down so slow :P |
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| 22:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|, haha, "you are a complete freak." |
| 22:28.09 | |Jelly| | I am, apparently. |
| 22:28.17 | Kaso | even though it cools down slow it still refreshes multiple times a second |
| 22:28.40 | Kaso | just hook GameTooltip.Show to spam to ChatFrame so you can see when it refreshes |
| 22:29.27 | Saeris | Anyone know whether the spell name and spell rank args on the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT event are localized? |
| 22:30.06 | Bam__ | just checked... it does get updated |
| 22:30.37 | Kaso | Saeris, yes they are |
| 22:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|, post harry potter spoilers! |
| 22:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're on ignore.. |
| 22:30.54 | |Jelly| | I don't think I'm on ignore, to be honest. |
| 22:31.06 | |Jelly| | considering he responded that I was "obsessed" with that thread. |
| 22:31.08 | Kaso | On somethingawful.com currently half the banner ad rotation is harry potter spoiler ads |
| 22:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think you are either |
| 22:31.14 | |Jelly| | Unless he's going off the fact that there's a post there. |
| 22:31.18 | Saeris | Kaso, thanks |
| 22:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | If you really were, he wouldn't have said so |
| 22:31.51 | Kaso | Saeris i think wowguru has a spell database in most of the languages if you need spellings |
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| 22:33.08 | Bam__ | Iriel: not sure I will send this... it's going to sound too much like I'm trying to teach them a lesson in programming :D |
| 22:33.54 | ckknight | |Jelly|: I'm not sure I like the liberally-biased punk song in your sig |
| 22:34.16 | Iriel | Maybe you should just re-word it as questions and requests.. Slouken's a very smart guy, he's going to know the underlying reasons why you want stuff, just not the functional ones. |
| 22:34.36 | Bam__ | yea... will see if I can find that "magic touch" :P |
| 22:34.39 | |Jelly| | I don't imagine very many people on these forums and I would get along in real life so I'm alright with it. |
| 22:34.57 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:35.04 | ckknight | <-- libertarian and all |
| 22:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|, I vote you see how many people you can ignore on general before something bad happens. |
| 22:35.09 | |Jelly| | And considering 99% of the people will jump to the same conclusion as the original poster did about what the song is actually about, I'm alright with it. |
| 22:36.46 | |Jelly| | (For the record, I'm not an extremist liberal...I actually think being extreme in any direction is a destructive quality) But I would really rather not get into a political discussion here. <3 |
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| 22:42.06 | |Jelly| | ckknight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442925432&sid=1&pageNo=2 ...does that make sense? Really? Cause I use a LOT of mods and have never had one just not work cause of a memory issue... |
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| 22:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, dead honest question |
| 22:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I ask thinking I know the right answer, but correct me |
| 22:43.13 | |Jelly| | I'm a guy iRL. |
| 22:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Does addon memory usage have anything to do with actual performance? |
| 22:43.40 | Iriel | Not directly no. |
| 22:43.41 | |Jelly| | As I understand it, not unless you have a horribly low amount of ram. |
| 22:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't think so |
| 22:43.59 | Iriel | There's really two things that are significant, and they boil down to the same one |
| 22:44.24 | Iriel | WHEN garbage collection has to run a full sweep, it takes longer if you have more memory in use. |
| 22:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 22:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But didn't the incremental GC largely fix that? |
| 22:44.50 | Iriel | The volume of memory allocation drives how often GC has to happen |
| 22:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I understand that it can be bad regardless |
| 22:45.05 | Iriel | So really it all boils down to not allocating lots of memory you dont need |
| 22:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 22:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... really weird. |
| 22:45.22 | Iriel | Incremental GC offsets most of the problem of large amounts of in use memory as long as you dont allocate too much |
| 22:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing I didn't know, just... odd. |
| 22:45.30 | Iriel | That's why GC churn is bad |
| 22:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 22:45.38 | Iriel | But memory use is kind of neutral |
| 22:45.49 | |Jelly| | Iriel: Could you elaborate on "not allocating lots of memory you don't use" ? I've never fully understoof GC process but I didn't think you could pick and choose memory allocation anymore. |
| 22:46.09 | Iriel | Jelly: Suppose you have a function that runs every frame and needs a temporary table |
| 22:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|, think of allocating 2MB in a variable and setting it to nil. Often. |
| 22:46.27 | Iriel | Jelly: You could allocate a new temporary table every time it's called, that'll create lots of objects |
| 22:46.37 | |Jelly| | And own your computer. Roger. |
| 22:46.38 | Iriel | Jelly: Or you could use one temporary table and re-use it between calls, that wont |
| 22:47.09 | Iriel | Jelly: All of those throw-away tables are memory you dont use, once you're done with it |
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| 22:47.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you "destroy" something - be it a table or variable, etc. - it isn't actually gone until the GC runs |
| 22:47.15 | Iriel | That's all I meant |
| 22:47.30 | Iriel | Right, though destroy is a bad word |
| 22:47.40 | |Jelly| | Aww. But I like destroying. |
| 22:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | s/destroy/stop using/ |
| 22:47.47 | |Jelly| | Granted we're probably talking about different things. |
| 22:47.48 | Iriel | Once you release the last reference to something, it hangs around until GC finds and destroys it |
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| 22:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, how exactly does the incremental GC work? Exactly as it sounds? |
| 22:53.53 | Bam__ | it's just a matter of when it performs the garbage collection really... incremental GC tends to behave better in real-time systems like a UI |
| 22:54.45 | Bam__ | as opposed to older GC techniques often called "stop-and-copy"... which do exactly that :P |
| 22:55.29 | Corrodias | i need some help with one of mym acros here |
| 22:55.53 | |Jelly| | Alright. |
| 22:56.26 | Corrodias | i'm trying to have something that, while holding alt, will cast Divine Protection and then Blessing of Protection on myself (until 5 minutes have passed). this is what i have so far: /castsequence [modifier:alt] reset=300 Divine Protection, [target=player,modifier:alt] Blessing of Protection |
| 22:56.50 | Corrodias | it totally doesn't work |
| 22:57.16 | |Jelly| | Give me a second. (I really am drunk...I wasn't screwing with you guys. lol) |
| 22:57.39 | |Jelly| | notepad's lack of wordwrap makes me sad sometimes |
| 22:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Alt, F, W |
| 22:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Eww |
| 22:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | *Err |
| 22:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Alt, O, W |
| 22:59.17 | |Jelly| | You win. |
| 22:59.31 | |Jelly| | like. for seriously. |
| 22:59.38 | |Jelly| | Anyway...back to the question at hand! |
| 22:59.39 | Bam__ | Corrodias: now I don't know what is not working... but remember that the reset-timer is restarted everytime you execute the macro |
| 22:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:00.30 | |Jelly| | I'm going to have to agree with Bam on why it might not be working as expected. |
| 23:00.47 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 23:00.54 | Corrodias | brb |
| 23:01.44 | Bam__ | basically, you can't use castsequence to account for cooldown |
| 23:03.10 | Corrodias | i don't think i understand what you mean by that |
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| 23:03.35 | |Jelly| | Everytime you hit the button, the 300 seconds restarts. |
| 23:03.48 | |Jelly| | as opposed to being once per 300 seconds. |
| 23:04.04 | Bam__ | well you cannot make a macro that has a reset time that "follows" a spell cooldown... I assume that's what you are trying to do |
| 23:04.04 | Corrodias | even if the cast fails? |
| 23:04.13 | |Jelly| | Fails as in resisted? |
| 23:04.16 | |Jelly| | Yes. |
| 23:04.28 | Corrodias | fails as in you have an invalid target and it doesn't try to cast it |
| 23:04.33 | Bam__ | just by executing the macro... no matter what the result is |
| 23:04.45 | |Jelly| | Technically, it tried to cast it. (As far as I undestand) |
| 23:04.45 | Corrodias | fails as in the castsequence doesn't proceed |
| 23:04.51 | |Jelly| | understand* |
| 23:04.54 | Corrodias | i can set up a quick test to find out |
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| 23:05.15 | Bam__ | bah not quite right.... it's when the castsequence is executed.. not necessarily the entire macro |
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| 23:05.29 | Bam__ | subtle difference.. and doesn't matter in this case :P |
| 23:06.32 | Shirik | Cairenn or Cairenn|afk: ping |
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| 23:06.59 | Cairenn | yo? |
| 23:07.43 | Corrodias | okay, i tried this: /castsequence reset=3 [target=player] Holy Light, Mana Tap |
| 23:08.10 | Corrodias | i target an enemy who doesn't have mana, hit it once to heal myself, then it switches to mana tap. i hit it again, get an invalid target message... and nothing. even after waiting 3 seconds, it doesn't switch back. |
| 23:08.29 | [dRaCo] | hey, whatcha think is the best mm hunter weapon available from heroics, rep, kara and gruul? |
| 23:08.36 | |Jelly| | It's trying to tap you. |
| 23:08.50 | |Jelly| | You can't dynamically change targets mid sequence. |
| 23:08.54 | Guillotine | [dRaCo] gun from big bad wolf I believe |
| 23:08.55 | Corrodias | sunfury bow, right? |
| 23:09.10 | Guillotine | oh, MM |
| 23:09.13 | [dRaCo] | oh, sorry |
| 23:09.14 | Guillotine | I read BM for some reason |
| 23:09.14 | Guillotine | nm |
| 23:09.25 | [dRaCo] | weapon as in axe or polearm or something |
| 23:09.26 | Corrodias | |Jelly|: if i don't target anything, it says "you have no target", so it's not trying to cast it on myself |
| 23:09.48 | Shirik | because |
| 23:09.53 | Shirik | you need [target=player] before reset |
| 23:09.55 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I can't explain it but I can tell you that's the problem. |
| 23:09.55 | Corrodias | and it STILL doesn't reset, even after the 3 seconds |
| 23:10.12 | Corrodias | okay, i'll give shirik's thing a whirl |
| 23:10.49 | |Jelly| | Shirik: How would that help? In the end, he's still wanting to heal himself and tap something else in the same sequence. Unless I missed something in the RTFPN. |
| 23:10.51 | Corrodias | okay, that works as expected, and yeah, it resets the timer even if the macro doesn't -do- anything |
| 23:11.07 | Corrodias | that's rather disappointing |
| 23:11.11 | Shirik | it doesn't do what he wants |
| 23:11.17 | |Jelly| | Oh, ok. |
| 23:11.17 | Shirik | but it corrects the problem that he was referring to |
| 23:11.18 | Guillotine | [dRaCo] legacy I think |
| 23:11.25 | |Jelly| | lol. ok. |
| 23:11.45 | Corrodias | so my bubble macro is impractical, if not completely impossible |
| 23:11.55 | [dRaCo] | Guillotine: hm, thanks, was the only one I could think of, too. |
| 23:12.16 | Bam__ | Corrodias: what do you want it to do exactly? |
| 23:12.18 | Corrodias | i didn't want to put Divine Protection and Blessing of Protection on different buttons. i REALLY hate doing that. |
| 23:12.45 | Corrodias | thus, i wanted to be able to hold alt to cast it on myself as usual, but i want it to use DP instead of BoP if it's available, which apparently is not possible. |
| 23:12.46 | |Jelly| | Modifier or Right/Left Button |
| 23:12.54 | Corrodias | clicking on bubbles = bad paladin |
| 23:13.12 | Corrodias | or rather, i don't click on time-sensitive abilities |
| 23:13.20 | Corrodias | i'd feel like a klutz doing that |
| 23:13.21 | Bam__ | yes, you cannot make any logic that "tests" availability of spells |
| 23:13.28 | |Jelly| | So you completely didn't see the beginning of that? "***MODIFIER*** or..." |
| 23:13.41 | Corrodias | that was my original idea, |Jelly|. that's what the macro is trying to do. |
| 23:14.14 | Corrodias | hold alt for self-cast, use DP then use BoP unless 5 minutes pass without the spell being successfully cast. |
| 23:14.30 | |Jelly| | Which you can't do. |
| 23:14.38 | |Jelly| | [18:13]<Bam__>yes, you cannot make any logic that "tests" availability of spells |
| 23:14.44 | Corrodias | exactly |
| 23:14.59 | Corrodias | so the modifier idea isn't going to work as i had hoped |
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| 23:15.52 | Bam__ | no, but you can still get two spells on one button if you want |
| 23:16.07 | Corrodias | yeah, if i never want to BoP myself >_< |
| 23:16.38 | Bam__ | well I mean without any castsequence... just using modifiers |
| 23:17.00 | Guillotine | you could have something like clicking button=BoP, alt clicking=DP self, shift clicking=BoP self |
| 23:17.05 | Bam__ | it's not what you wanted exactly... but at least it's only one button |
| 23:18.14 | Bam__ | personally I just don't find it any easier to remember all those modifier combinations :P |
| 23:19.11 | Bam__ | let me see... was this spell ALT-SHIFT or was it ALT-CTRL-SHIFT or .... ? :P |
| 23:19.17 | Guillotine | eh, I have a couple like that |
| 23:19.24 | Guillotine | all healing spells are alt-clicking someone |
| 23:19.28 | Guillotine | curing debuffs is shift clicking |
| 23:19.30 | Guillotine | pretty easy to remember |
| 23:19.40 | Guillotine | e.g. alt-left=regrowth |
| 23:19.49 | Bam__ | if you can group it like that, I guess it is |
| 23:20.03 | Guillotine | just make all self casts be alt+spell |
| 23:20.11 | Guillotine | and secondary self casts be shift+spell |
| 23:20.42 | Corrodias | unfortunately, shift+key is assigned to another bar entirely |
| 23:20.54 | Corrodias | but no matter, i'll just have to click on my character after hitting that key if i want to cast BoP on myself |
| 23:21.17 | Bam__ | and in patch 2.2 you can extend it to LEFT-SHIFT-LEFT-ALT-RIGHT-CTRL :D |
| 23:36.11 | bleeter | lol some idiot sold his account on ebay, then used his name in a newspaper article about selling wow accounts |
| 23:36.19 | bleeter | http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,22105871-7486,00.html |
| 23:36.21 | Kaydeethree | oh, geez |
| 23:36.52 | bleeter | Not all Queenslanders are that stupid, are they norgs_away ;) |
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| 23:41.48 | sag_ich_nicht | i need an addon that has all blizzard blizzard LOD addons as dependency to get them to load before my addons. anything like that already exist? :P |
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