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| 00:33.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | why are there all these awesome bands with shite lyrics but awesome guitars? :[ |
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| 01:23.25 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: hmm, well. I'm definately set via winecfg to only use OSS. When you say 'disabled Wine-alsa', were you doing something funkier than just checking OSS in the winecfg? |
| 01:23.43 | Kaydeethree | I just unchecked all of the available audio systems |
| 01:24.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:25.44 | Shirik | "I disabled ALSA and OSS and now my sound isn't working. Why?" |
| 01:25.47 | Shirik | Sounds like a tech support phonecall |
| 01:25.47 | Shirik | this is why we'll never be on linux :( |
| 01:25.57 | Kaydeethree | the ptr starts up quite happily if wine pretends that it doesn't have a soundcard installed |
| 01:26.04 | Kaydeethree | Shirik, ya |
| 01:26.18 | Kaydeethree | I'm just praying that the SoC project for wine-alsa helps |
| 01:26.28 | Shirik | hm, only 47000 ms ping |
| 01:26.31 | Shirik | oh it droped to 23500, yey |
| 01:28.34 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: But seriously, I've never had an issue with WoW, if that's what you're referring to |
| 01:28.43 | Shirik | using ALSA iirc |
| 01:28.51 | Kaydeethree | it's issues with the ptr |
| 01:29.00 | Shirik | haven't tried ptr though |
| 01:29.03 | Kaydeethree | wow's played fine with winealsa for a while |
| 01:29.08 | Shirik | yeah sorry I didn't read everything |
| 01:30.23 | ckknight | anyone know when they're going to actually enable voice on the PTR? |
| 01:30.41 | bleeter | Shirik: yeah, we/I suspect it's the new audio API stuff in WoW 2.2 PTR that falls over in combo with Wine |
| 01:30.41 | Kaydeethree | I've been hearing in a few builds |
| 01:30.51 | Shirik | ah yeah |
| 01:30.54 | Shirik | that makes sense |
| 01:31.02 | Kaydeethree | that's what I was thinking |
| 01:31.04 | Shirik | what's the issue? |
| 01:31.09 | bleeter | locks hard |
| 01:31.12 | Shirik | just a hard lockup? |
| 01:31.15 | bleeter | will draw the X window, that's it |
| 01:31.18 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 01:31.30 | bleeter | locks the app, that is, not the machine |
| 01:31.37 | Shirik | huh |
| 01:31.48 | Shirik | anyone done any debugging with it? |
| 01:31.59 | Kaydeethree | I'm trying to figure out how to get enough of a trace to post on the mailing list, but I'm stumped |
| 01:32.06 | bleeter | I did a very tiny bit, looked like it was wine audio subsystem foo |
| 01:32.12 | Kaydeethree | s/I'm/I've been/ |
| 01:32.15 | Shirik | I would love to help out but I can't go downloading |
| 01:32.36 | bleeter | might've been WoW using something from explorer to determine audio card info, as at least on my system explorer.exe was being spawned (which it normally won't) |
| 01:32.53 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:32.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:32.59 | bleeter | Shirik: I wasn't going to bother until I get a decent Wine 0.9.41 build, and the next PTR |
| 01:33.01 | Shirik | WHY do people do crap like that |
| 01:33.48 | bleeter | I figure if this is the first new audio API PTR,there are gunna be bugs anyway. So, chasing a bug on such an esoteric system could just be a waste of time anyways for now |
| 01:36.28 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: I tried an strace on it, but doing that invariably crashes WoW anyway. Also tried (albeit very briefly) the wine debugging channels, and it produced a *lot8 of noise that I haven't gone back to try cleaning it up yet |
| 01:36.37 | bleeter | (see excuse above as to why I'm not chasing it that hard atm) |
| 01:36.49 | bleeter | was just nice to hear that there is a kinda-work-around :) |
| 01:37.09 | Shirik | wait hold up |
| 01:37.11 | Shirik | what mailing list? |
| 01:37.12 | Shirik | wine's? |
| 01:37.18 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 01:38.09 | bleeter | course, the thing to do is track any changes cedega may be noting in their mail list.. ;) |
| 01:38.39 | bleeter | if it's like the 2.1 change that was needed, cedega will do a nasty hack but point the way needed for a proper fix |
| 01:39.21 | Kaydeethree | ya, I saw that |
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| 01:41.34 | Shirik | ........ |
| 01:41.35 | Shirik | OK |
| 01:41.58 | Shirik | If I hit "update later" that DOES NOT MEAN ASK ME EVERY 5 MINUTES FOR THE NEXT HOUR |
| 01:42.09 | Shirik | I swear Microsoft is encroaching on spyware |
| 01:42.20 | Kaydeethree | "encroaching"? |
| 01:42.28 | Shirik | approaching the realm of? |
| 01:42.29 | Kaydeethree | heh... they've been in the spyware biz for years |
| 01:42.32 | Shirik | heh |
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| 01:51.40 | Shirik | NO I DO NOT WANT TO UPDATE |
| 01:51.43 | Shirik | grr |
| 01:51.49 | Shirik | sorry, 10 minutes |
| 01:51.50 | Shirik | same difference |
| 01:52.14 | cog|book | Shirik: everyone's crying for the rat kill counter :P |
| 01:52.38 | Shirik | I'm sorry :( |
| 01:52.44 | Shirik | I have no |
| 01:52.45 | Shirik | book? |
| 01:53.01 | Shirik | I'm on dialup :( |
| 01:53.09 | Shirik | for the next month, for that matter |
| 01:53.29 | cog|book | Shirik: I told them that but then someone called you lazy :( |
| 01:53.31 | Shirik | book book? |
| 01:53.31 | Shirik | what book T_T |
| 01:53.40 | Shirik | what am I missing T_T |
| 01:53.51 | buu | Punctuation? |
| 01:53.52 | clad|book | ? |
| 01:54.38 | Kaydeethree | heh... deathly hollows has been leaked |
| 01:54.46 | clad|book | nice |
| 01:54.47 | clad|book | lol |
| 01:55.06 | Kaydeethree | can I resist the urge? |
| 01:55.11 | clad|book | hehe i can |
| 01:55.32 | Kaydeethree | meh. I worked at target when book 6 hit the streets. I actually moved the crate of books off of the truck when we got it a few days before |
| 01:55.46 | clad|book | nice |
| 01:55.50 | Kaydeethree | some of my coworkers had to hide it from me before I could smuggle a few from the back room |
| 01:59.31 | Kaydeethree | oh hah... the torrent is a collection of shots of the book taken from a digital camera. nuts. |
| 02:00.17 | clad|book | oh wow |
| 02:00.19 | clad|book | seriously? |
| 02:00.44 | Kaydeethree | I'm looking at the first few pictures now. quality leaves something to be desired |
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| 02:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 02:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's horrible |
| 02:14.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not scan it or something, or freakin acrobat it |
| 02:14.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i believe involves scanning + OCR |
| 02:14.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i've never done it |
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| 02:18.05 | Shirik | evening Cairenn |
| 02:18.33 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 02:19.33 | clad|book | evening Cairenn |
| 02:19.44 | dnmcgoy | I'm trying to search wow wiki and related sites, but is there any documentation for the various templates that are in FrameXML? |
| 02:19.46 | cog|book | ho ho |
| 02:20.05 | dnmcgoy | everything I'm seeing so far is very sparse |
| 02:20.08 | Cairenn | seems the power went out over here while I was out, so if anyone needed me for anything, I don't have a log of it to check back through - thus, re-ping if you were trying to talk to me |
| 02:20.43 | Shirik | oh I needed you |
| 02:21.15 | Cairenn | cyber not included in that statement :p |
| 02:21.28 | Shirik | I never even mentioned it! |
| 02:21.31 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:21.33 | Shirik | Wow, someone has a dirty mind |
| 02:21.43 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 02:21.43 | Shirik | =P |
| 02:21.58 | Cairenn | naw, went shopping today, got myself some new jeans, feeling hot |
| 02:22.05 | clad|book | yay :P |
| 02:22.38 | Cairenn | and sassy ... oh, wait, that's not anything new for me |
| 02:23.46 | cog|book | SS or it didn't happen |
| 02:24.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:24.20 | Cairenn | leave me alone, I'm having delusions of hotness |
| 02:24.27 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:25.22 | sysrage | quick poll, how does your guild handle loots? DKP (if so which kind), everybody /rolls, loot council, or sexual favors? |
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| 02:25.55 | Shirik | wow cog|book you weren't kidding when you said people called me lazy |
| 02:26.05 | cog|book | :| |
| 02:26.06 | Shirik | christ I try to help people and all it ever does is bite me in the ass |
| 02:26.07 | Shirik | figures |
| 02:26.08 | cog|book | sad, huh? |
| 02:26.13 | Shirik | yeah, it took me that long to read it |
| 02:26.14 | Cairenn | mrr? |
| 02:27.23 | Tain | sysrage: I use alpha loot. All loot is assigned in alphabetical order of character names. |
| 02:28.12 | Shirik | christ, fine, I'm sick of the whining already; I'll log in and see if I can't get some form of a GUI made just to appease them for the time being |
| 02:28.28 | sysrage | tain: lol |
| 02:28.32 | Cairenn | mmmrrr? |
| 02:29.01 | Tain | Anyone in line for the new Harry Potter book yet? :) |
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| 02:29.37 | Cairenn | I was asking what Shirik was talking about |
| 02:29.40 | cog|book | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112405766&sid=1 Everyone's pissed because it hasn't happened yet |
| 02:30.34 | Shirik | oh hell, I don't even have it on my laptop |
| 02:30.42 | Shirik | now what |
| 02:30.45 | Corrodias | G F D |
| 02:31.10 | Corrodias | 6% on maulgar |
| 02:31.30 | Shirik | oh well, nice shot |
| 02:31.32 | Shirik | first try? |
| 02:32.03 | sysrage | wow web stats keeps track of rat kills |
| 02:32.14 | Corrodias | nah, um.. third session in the instance, fifth attempt or so |
| 02:33.10 | Corrodias | but as we are focusing on karazhan right now, we go in there about once a mont |
| 02:33.12 | Corrodias | *month |
| 02:33.32 | Corrodias | nah, more than five attempts. i lost count. |
| 02:34.38 | Cairenn | okay, thank you for the linkage, I'm now back in the know |
| 02:36.02 | Shirik | well I can't do much about it now anyway; my desktop is upstairs and currently has no way to get an internet connection, and I don't have any blank CDs so |
| 02:36.50 | Shirik | sucks to be them, guess they have to wait another day |
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| 02:56.08 | Cairenn | Shirik: our conversation last night - I've bumped it up the line, rattled a few cages, hopefully something will be sorted out very soon - I'll let you know more as I do |
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| 03:22.34 | Cairenn | quiet night |
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| 03:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAW |
| 03:28.09 | Wobwork | RETHRETHRETHRETHRETH |
| 03:28.22 | Shirik | uh |
| 03:28.30 | Shirik | maybe I shouldn't have come back >< |
| 03:28.36 | Wobwork | =( |
| 03:28.39 | Wobwork | best quest ever =\ |
| 03:28.56 | Shirik | quest? |
| 03:29.14 | Wobwork | Although that one girl that made her b/f a BBQ Apron with a fire elemental on it saying "RETH RETH RETH" is just epic |
| 03:29.18 | Wobwork | in nagrand =) |
| 03:29.26 | Wobwork | You release a fire elemental into a village |
| 03:29.38 | Wobwork | and it runs around burning things yelling "RETH RETH RETH" in Kalimag |
| 03:29.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | must be a horde quest O_o |
| 03:29.50 | Wobwork | nah, alliance at least |
| 03:29.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | kalimaaaaaaaaaag |
| 03:29.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't remember that quest |
| 03:30.13 | Shirik | is that the fire one |
| 03:30.17 | Wobwork | You know that village that's directly outside the shattrah exit? |
| 03:30.18 | Shirik | where you burn the towers or something? |
| 03:30.32 | Wobwork | with the fallen inside |
| 03:30.46 | Wobwork | it's a quest in there |
| 03:30.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh i think so |
| 03:31.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | you burn the tents |
| 03:32.04 | Shirik | I never could figure that one out |
| 03:32.08 | Shirik | I gave up on it |
| 03:32.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | indyyyy cover your heartttttt |
| 03:32.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | KALIMAAAAAAG |
| 03:40.30 | Corrodias | so i'm thinking of trying cowtip and tinytip. what do you think of them? |
| 03:41.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think bears would be awesome pets if properly trained. |
| 03:42.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm actually about to check out cowtip and parrot |
| 03:42.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because i'm a ckknight fanboy |
| 03:42.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm also an AnduinLothar fanboy so when there's cosmos vs ace debate i'm always torn |
| 03:42.56 | Corrodias | what's parrot? |
| 03:43.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | sct |
| 03:44.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | type thing |
| 03:44.41 | Corrodias | hm. i'm quite satisfied with SCT itself, although perhaps i should rearrange the numbers a little as they can get very spammy |
| 03:46.01 | ckknight | Corrodias: it's more similar to MSBT |
| 03:46.10 | ckknight | btw, <3 teh fanbois |
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| 03:46.31 | Shirik | night all |
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| 03:46.48 | Corrodias | well, the only major differences i'm aware of between those two are that MSBT tries to combine multiple ticks of things into one display and that i think you can add events in-game |
| 03:46.52 | Corrodias | ni |
| 03:47.13 | Corrodias | while SCT does not |
| 03:49.45 | ckknight | there's also a different structure to the code |
| 03:49.57 | ckknight | SCT doesn't show certain damages |
| 03:50.00 | ckknight | unless you have SCTd |
| 03:50.03 | ckknight | different config |
| 03:50.04 | ckknight | etc. |
| 03:50.09 | Corrodias | arr |
| 03:50.38 | ckknight | Parrot is basically a clean-room MSBT clone |
| 03:50.47 | ckknight | but made to be incredibly extensible and hackable |
| 03:51.20 | Corrodias | does cowtip make some kind of way to get at its configuration other than /cowtip, which i just guessed at? |
| 03:51.38 | Corrodias | wait, i think i see a minimap button hiding under another one |
| 03:52.51 | ckknight | yea, it'll be there |
| 03:55.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | dogtag is awesome but customizing with it is above my head |
| 03:55.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really need to sit down and read up on it some more |
| 04:00.06 | Corrodias | the question becomes, what are the valid tags? |
| 04:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | check out the dogtag page on wowace wiki |
| 04:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it tells you everything |
| 04:01.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it totally goes over my head |
| 04:02.10 | Corrodias | it doesn't tell me the valid tags |
| 04:02.19 | Corrodias | i mean, like.. SmartClass isn't listed |
| 04:02.22 | ckknight | oh, yea |
| 04:02.24 | ckknight | the wiki crashe |
| 04:02.27 | ckknight | crashed* |
| 04:02.37 | ckknight | and I haven't felt up to updating on the wiki |
| 04:02.41 | ckknight | I may do something ingame instead |
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| 04:03.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | something gui based would be pretty nice |
| 04:03.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | all that text is like |
| 04:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | punching me in the face with code |
| 04:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really like the customization it gives though |
| 04:03.54 | ckknight | it'll basically pop up a window that has a bunch of text in tablized format |
| 04:04.03 | Corrodias | well... i'd like it if i knew what i could do with it. maybe >_> |
| 04:04.12 | ckknight | I want to finish Parrot first |
| 04:04.27 | ckknight | it entered beta today |
| 04:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now quartz confuses me |
| 04:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has a black line on the frame for seemingly no reason |
| 04:05.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see a minimap button for configging it so i have to use waterfall which is okay but sometimes not the best option |
| 04:08.21 | Corrodias | and how the heck do you configure tinytip? i don't see a minimap button or a fubar menu |
| 04:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | cowtip doesn't seem to be working in a lot of ways, is that still alpha-y? |
| 04:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll admit i downloaded that and parrot purely based on the descriptions :P |
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| 04:20.06 | Corrodias | well, of the ones i've tried (tipbuddy, tinytip, cowtip), i think i like tinytip the most, although cowtip can improve with, well, documentation and tipbuddy has a nice feature where it displays where people are in the tooltip |
| 04:20.11 | Corrodias | if they're not in your area |
| 04:20.24 | Corrodias | or maybe that's the blizzard default |
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| 04:24.52 | Corrodias | what i don't like about tipbuddy is how it insists that telling you about the pvp status means it must put this huge blob of text to the RIGHT side of the tooltip |
| 04:25.01 | Corrodias | and also the tooltip is rather large in scale |
| 04:26.50 | Corrodias | now, for another part of my UI that irritates me, the buff frame, there's little i can do, as i do not yet have a widescreen monitor and don't have anywhere better to put that stuff |
| 04:28.28 | Corrodias | finally, one of the few other things i don't like is my inventory. while i absolutely love TBag, there's a small pause whenever anything in your inventory changes and the window is open |
| 04:28.39 | Corrodias | when moving things around between the bags and the bank, this can be quite frustrating |
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| 04:29.40 | Wobwork | Perhaps use OneBag? |
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| 04:30.43 | Wobwork | Corrodias: I believe you config Tinytip in the lua |
| 04:30.51 | Wobwork | at least so far |
| 04:31.44 | Corrodias | well, using /tinytip opens a dropdown style menu. i just find it hard to believe there's no other way to open a menu like that. |
| 04:32.07 | Wobwork | well adding in a fubarplugin library wouldn't be... tiny |
| 04:32.26 | Wobwork | although there's nothing stopping you from making TinytipFu |
| 04:32.55 | Corrodias | anyway, for an inventory addon. i absolutely adore TBag and how it arranges things into different spaces in a reasonably compact manner. |
| 04:33.07 | Wobwork | What's the comparison to Baggins? |
| 04:33.30 | Corrodias | i need to examine the other inventory addons to figure that out |
| 04:33.40 | Wobwork | got a link for tbag? |
| 04:34.12 | Corrodias | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7244-TBag-Shefki.html |
| 04:35.35 | Corrodias | i have no idea what baggins is like and i'm having trouble finding a site for it |
| 04:37.05 | Corrodias | onebag doesn't look like it organizes things into categories |
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| 04:40.50 | Corrodias | arkinventory may be a contender... |
| 04:50.31 | Corrodias | i do believe my realm just went down |
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| 05:08.45 | Wobwork | Corrodias: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:8HGTMzvUZAgJ:www.wowace.com/wiki/Baggins+wowace+baggins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a |
| 05:08.54 | Wobwork | They haven't gotten around to regenerating the page |
| 05:16.49 | Corrodias | oh, thanks! |
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| 06:23.35 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 06:40.01 | PProvost | Anyone know the slash command to disband an arena team? |
| 06:41.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.42 | Adys | ./teamdisband 2v2 |
| 06:42.46 | Adys | or 3v3 or 5v5 |
| 06:50.12 | Thrae | Did you know the new Harry Potter book is already unofficially out? Watch out for Spoilers -- http://xkcd.com/c109.html |
| 06:52.51 | Thrae | Cairenn: http://xkcd.com/c91.html <-- both you and KDM should laugh at this |
| 06:53.24 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:53.49 | krka | you can never get enough xkcd |
| 06:57.48 | Thrae | http://xkcd.com/c117.html <-- I think I had this happen to me when I was a kid playing the early video games |
| 07:01.44 | Thrae | Another channel was talking about the 3DO...Anyone who has not played Star Control 2 must go download Ur-Quan Masters immediatly (recompiled from the original source!) |
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| 07:35.07 | Thrae | http://xkcd.com/c142.html <-- I couldn't stand Megatokyo's gayness after a while, and --I-- read Shoujo |
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| 08:06.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh no :( |
| 08:06.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Alamo |
| 08:06.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Alamo's Resto now |
| 08:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | these are dire times indeed |
| 08:06.58 | Thrae | !char us thunderhorn alamo |
| 08:07.05 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Alamo, Level 70 Tauren Druid (8/11/42). 9675 HP; 7310 Mana; 196 mana regen; 3567 Armour; 62 mp5; 85 Melee DPS; 5.38% melee crit; 716 +heal; 43 defense; 8.03% dodge; 86 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24cu37 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xbgdf ]] |
| 08:07.16 | Thrae | His gear also sucks |
| 08:07.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks like pvp gear |
| 08:07.59 | Thrae | Yeah, he probably changed to Resto to be viable in Arena, as Ferals and BOOMKins aren't as needed as Resto |
| 08:08.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and restos aren't much needed |
| 08:09.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids are in a sad state at the moment when it comes to pvp |
| 08:10.09 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Arena, not BG. Much more viable then Feral with the highest brackets. |
| 08:10.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | whaaa? |
| 08:11.41 | Thrae | BOOMKins are found in Burst Squads, which don't last very long in end Arena. Restos are found much more frequently then BOOMKins or Ferals in winning teams. |
| 08:13.08 | Thrae | Feral Druids have serious problems, especially against Burst Squads, because they have three choices: No Damage, Squishy, Squishy. Feral Druids only work against other hybrid or non-cookie-cutter teams. |
| 08:13.15 | Thrae | Or, of course, teams that suck. |
| 08:13.28 | Thrae | Well, suck more then you. |
| 08:13.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what i said |
| 08:13.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 08:13.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i said restos aren't much needed, or much used |
| 08:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids in general aren't much needed or used |
| 08:14.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | in arenas |
| 08:14.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and BGs are dead |
| 08:14.33 | Thrae | !char us maelstrom thrae |
| 08:14.38 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Thrae, Level 59 Night Elf Druid (1/41/8). 4043 HP; 2899 Mana; 101 mana regen; 91.6 Melee DPS; 14.25% melee crit; 96 +heal; 19.62% dodge; +15 all resists (+10 nature); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2nf4c2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3y7gvx ]] |
| 08:14.43 | Thrae | ^--- Why do you think I'm still Level 59 |
| 08:15.15 | Thrae | I'm afraid to get up to 70 and have the choice of two crappy PvP options |
| 08:16.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've given up at pvp on mine |
| 08:16.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the moment |
| 08:16.27 | Thrae | Arena, where it basically comes down to group make-up and gear, or PvP where it's rolled or be rolled for the most part |
| 08:16.36 | Thrae | No one really twinks at 59, but there's a good amount of players |
| 08:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like pvp, but i'm done with it for now |
| 08:21.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | the arena gear's not all that good anyway |
| 08:21.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for ferals |
| 08:22.59 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I'd love it if you could seriously do most of your leveling and gear grinding through PvP. PvE gets old fast. |
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| 08:28.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | me too, honestly |
| 08:28.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'd solve the twink problem too |
| 08:28.50 | Bam__ | any wowwiki admins (or similar) present? |
| 08:28.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or my big problem with them |
| 08:29.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | people staying in a bracket for years mastering everything about their character on one play |
| 08:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters, what do you think? http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/resources/petcalc_visual.shtml?8x0x9x3x9x0x7x7x2x1x2x1x2x0x2x13x2x0 |
| 08:30.05 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Only problem I have with twinks are the overpowering enchant procs, and some of the highest end-game enchants. Remove those and I don't really see that big a problem with twinks. |
| 08:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | well see, with this |
| 08:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | people would be more encouraged to pvp |
| 08:30.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they can keep rerolling if they wanna stick to a bracket and really enjoy pvp as much as they say they do |
| 08:31.05 | Bam__ | anyway about wowwiki... I have noticed the API docs are a lot less updated after most of them are "red"... I think it holds people back from posting small, but useful comments for undocumented functions |
| 08:31.10 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I doubt they'd do that |
| 08:32.06 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I say just increase experience from Mark turnins by like 5x. Then people that want to stay in the bracket can stay in the bracket, but will have a hell of a lot harder time getting PvP gear. |
| 08:32.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no such thing as mark turnins :p |
| 08:33.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think from 1-58 or so pvp kills should net exp similarly to how honor is dealt |
| 08:33.15 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: When I started over again on another server, with no high levels to help me, I basically twinked myself at Level 19, 29, 39, 49, etc. by trying to get the best Blue gear I could for my level |
| 08:33.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | maximizing gear is different than twinking |
| 08:34.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | twinking involves absolutely maximizing your character and decimating all battlegrounds without twinks in them at levels 1-29 or so |
| 08:34.08 | Thrae | Twinking IS maximizing gear, you're just using enchants that would be neigh impossible to get at your level |
| 08:34.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know i never pvped on alts after twinking became popular |
| 08:34.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd go into a bg and get one shotted |
| 08:34.32 | Thrae | I was able to hold my own against a good number of twinks, just not the ones with super enchant procs |
| 08:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | one time we had a 29 rogue holding off our whole team at the graveyard |
| 08:34.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | within seconds o us ressing |
| 08:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | my f key isn't responding well todya |
| 08:35.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to clean out my keyboard methinks |
| 08:35.23 | Thrae | A lot of the 19,29 problems come from procs like the Fiery Weapons proc |
| 08:35.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | these dell laptop ones aren't very well made |
| 08:35.38 | Thrae | Those increase your damage output by like 2-3x in 19 |
| 08:35.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd love to be able to level 100% through pvp up to 58 or so |
| 08:36.16 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Did they remove mark turnins? I could have sworn I did that after 2.0 as well |
| 08:36.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep, they removed them with the honor overhaul |
| 08:36.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | you turn them in for gear now |
| 08:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's it |
| 08:36.47 | Thrae | Yeah I know they did that, I got some gear like that |
| 08:37.11 | Bam__ | I think Blizzard fears people will stop PvE'ing and only do PvP to level :) |
| 08:37.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not a problem for 1-58 really |
| 08:37.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless they overhaul outland |
| 08:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | because hardly anyone's leveling alts anymore |
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| 08:37.43 | Bam__ | oh |
| 08:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, overhaul azeroth |
| 08:37.56 | Bam__ | not quite sure about that |
| 08:38.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're losing subscribers now |
| 08:38.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 99% of servers are all level 70s |
| 08:38.36 | Bam__ | well it goes up and down... but as long as there is no real competition, they probably don't worry |
| 08:38.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's been going down steadily since february or so |
| 08:38.54 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's how all the other MMORPGs of WoW's type work |
| 08:39.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | after everyone finished outland, they've got no reason to level alts |
| 08:39.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost everyone i talk to says they don't want to try releveling in azeroth |
| 08:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially without instancing |
| 08:39.31 | Bam__ | I don't see why not.. in fact, it's all there is left if you don't raid a lot |
| 08:39.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't instance from 1-58 and in some cases 1-65 or so |
| 08:39.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's not any fun compared to outland, bam |
| 08:40.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | even blizzard's admitted they want to overhaul azeroth because outland's so much more fun |
| 08:40.07 | Bam__ | well it goes fairly fast to 60 anyway |
| 08:40.24 | Bam__ | people do it to try other classes and races |
| 08:40.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm never leveling an alt on real servers until the overhaul hits |
| 08:40.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | azeroth is not much fun compared to outland |
| 08:41.00 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well isn't that a -good- sign for Blizzard? They were able to make something so much fun, they trumped themselves! They're even more powerful then God, who can't even make a boulder so heavy he couldn't lift it. |
| 08:41.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially when i can't instance |
| 08:41.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a two edged sword thrae |
| 08:41.25 | Thrae | I just said that to make an inane analogy. |
| 08:41.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | on one hand people have more fun leveling from 58-70 |
| 08:41.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the other they don't want to level alts |
| 08:41.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | because after leaving bloodmyst/ghostlands |
| 08:42.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a chore |
| 08:42.18 | Bam__ | but I must admit I wondered how they could imagine it was a good idea to make Outland gear so much better than the older stuff |
| 08:42.36 | Bam__ | it didn't really need to be I think |
| 08:42.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | because upgrades feel good |
| 08:42.46 | nevcairiel | make it more fun |
| 08:42.50 | Thrae | Yeah, I got 2x better gear just off the Auction House after TBC came out, paying about 30g or so altogether |
| 08:42.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone loves being able to upgrade |
| 08:42.59 | Bam__ | yea but people think that even if it's a minor upgrade |
| 08:43.15 | Bam__ | it's all relative... if it's better than anything else, it's good |
| 08:43.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is a minor upgrade to many people |
| 08:43.22 | Thrae | Bam__: Don't you need TBC to equip the gear? |
| 08:43.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | not the majority, no |
| 08:43.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, thrae |
| 08:43.38 | Thrae | Ah, that was stupid of them |
| 08:43.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's level <60 |
| 08:43.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | or rahter |
| 08:43.54 | Bam__ | do you think there are a lot without TBC? |
| 08:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | <60 |
| 08:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's not many level 60 or earlier greens from outland, thrae |
| 08:44.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially considering most people just vendor them that early |
| 08:44.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | because the market's so small |
| 08:45.02 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well, I said after TBC came out |
| 08:45.07 | Thrae | Not NOW :D |
| 08:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | what O_o |
| 08:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean even then |
| 08:45.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually, especially then |
| 08:45.45 | Bam__ | but I suppose they are planning more expansions... now that they have experience doing it, perhaps they can make them a bit faster |
| 08:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | most people were more concerned about leveling than putting stuff on the AH |
| 08:45.53 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: There was a ton of stuff on my server...maybe mine was special. Note this was like 5 days after TBC though |
| 08:45.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're planning one a year, bam |
| 08:46.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | not on mine, thrae |
| 08:46.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone was concerned about getting to 70 |
| 08:46.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | the AH was dead for weeks |
| 08:46.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | on mine |
| 08:46.26 | Bam__ | hmm... doesnt seem quite often enough... but again... with no real competition they can pull it off |
| 08:46.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | auctioneer only got ~60-70 pages of results during that time |
| 08:46.39 | Thrae | The stuff on AH on my server from TBC was cheaper then items of equal item level from other sources |
| 08:46.43 | nevcairiel | they still keep pushing new content in with patches |
| 08:46.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | compared to now, it gets 180-210 |
| 08:46.48 | nevcairiel | i think once a year is good |
| 08:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | well the new content is mostly stuff intended to be in at release |
| 08:47.17 | Bam__ | it's all business... if it good enough to keep customers, then that's what they will do :P |
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| 08:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | voice chat's really the only thing not announced until after BC released so far |
| 08:47.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that and guild banks |
| 08:47.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | offically announced at least |
| 08:48.12 | Bam__ | uh.. voice chat.. wonder how well that will work.. |
| 08:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hitting sometime in the coming weeks |
| 08:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptr has 2.2 |
| 08:48.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | which will have voice chat |
| 08:48.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the framework's there, but it's not working yet |
| 08:48.39 | Bam__ | damn.. I don't like voice chat :( |
| 08:48.42 | nevcairiel | zulaman is coming too |
| 08:48.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | zulaman will probably be 2.3 |
| 08:48.54 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 08:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that was supposed to be here at release |
| 08:49.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | as was hyjal, black temple, etc |
| 08:49.16 | nevcairiel | hyjal was in |
| 08:49.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually i think those 3 are the only ones that missed deadline |
| 08:49.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | the terrain was |
| 08:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it wasn't complete |
| 08:49.31 | Thrae | Zulaman == All the fun of Zul'Grub with all of the fun of Uldaman! |
| 08:49.32 | nevcairiel | no one could get there anyway |
| 08:49.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | zul'aman's terrain has been in since releasse too |
| 08:49.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | release* |
| 08:50.07 | Bam__ | voice chat might not be as popular in Europe.. it's one thing understanding people's poor written English... but spoken English.... :O |
| 08:50.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh geez |
| 08:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | my buddy plays on a private server |
| 08:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's so many eastern europeans |
| 08:50.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hilarious |
| 08:50.33 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 08:50.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the broken english |
| 08:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's horrible |
| 08:50.41 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:50.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a bit of a grammar nazi |
| 08:51.09 | zenzelezz | Bam__: I've yet to see a single EU raiding guild that didn't use voice comm |
| 08:51.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and seeing him playing and checking chat and seeing like "lf4 kara 4 war need helz |
| 08:51.13 | Bam__ | well my written English is fine I think... but darn I have some hard time understanding some of the Brits in my guild on TeamSpeak :) |
| 08:51.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | " |
| 08:51.43 | Bam__ | zenzelezz: probably... im not that interested in raiding guilds :) |
| 08:51.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | english accents don't throw me off usually |
| 08:51.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the real cockney ones do |
| 08:51.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | some scottish/irish and aussie ones really throw me off though |
| 08:52.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | aussie colloquialisms are hilarious |
| 08:52.17 | Bam__ | erm... heard people from Manchester? |
| 08:52.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's like some drunk guys suffering from heat exaustion invented a bunch of words in their drunken dehydrated overheated stupor |
| 08:52.47 | Bam__ | we got a few in my guild... can't understand them hehe |
| 08:52.52 | zenzelezz | when I played on a US server there was an Aussie girl in my guild... everyone kept asking her to say "sexy" on Ventrilo, apparently they loved the accent |
| 08:53.02 | Bam__ | lol |
| 08:53.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want a scotsman |
| 08:53.19 | Bam__ | or maybe she was just the only real girl? :D |
| 08:53.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd make him reroll dwarf |
| 08:54.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was this woman in one of my old raiding guilds that had the greatest voice ever |
| 08:54.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was the nice southern accent |
| 08:54.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | not the trashy waffle house one |
| 08:54.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was weird hearing all the guys hitting on her with her son in the raid though |
| 08:54.55 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 08:54.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was pretty funny, actually |
| 08:55.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it had to have been akward to him |
| 08:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was the worst rogue ever |
| 08:55.18 | krka | being a girl in an online game must be the greatest ego boost ever |
| 08:55.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it was especially awkward when she added innuendo to stuff |
| 08:55.36 | Bam__ | if you can convince people you are a real girl :) |
| 08:55.46 | krka | Bam__: yeah, that's a prerequisite |
| 08:55.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it requires clever use of smilies |
| 08:56.14 | Bam__ | rule #1 online: Everybody are male until proven guilty :P |
| 08:56.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a roommate that RPed a woman that owned a corporation in a gundam text based rpg |
| 08:56.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:56.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone thought he was a chick |
| 08:56.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had to give him some pointers to be more believable and had no idea where they came from |
| 08:57.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | clever use ^_^ and =) are good ways to add believability |
| 08:58.10 | krka | -_^ |
| 08:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | as well as having the ability to have no shame at all in emulating another gender for the bonuses you get online for being believed to be one |
| 08:58.58 | Bam__ | there is a woman in us all! |
| 08:59.04 | Bam__ | :P |
| 08:59.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have one female character i play occasionally and make no claims to be a female in reality on it |
| 08:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | and people offer me gold and stuff so much |
| 08:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's really weird |
| 08:59.30 | zenzelezz | put some armor on |
| 08:59.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't treat known females any different than the guys in games |
| 08:59.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i try to avoid being creepy to keep friends |
| 09:00.02 | Bam__ | yea I heard some real girls talk about playing a male char and how different it was |
| 09:00.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only difference is the jokes i tell |
| 09:00.16 | krka | i try to be creepy to be left alone |
| 09:00.21 | Bam__ | lol |
| 09:00.40 | krka | i think a lot of real girls actually play male characters to be left alone |
| 09:00.55 | krka | that's why i always play a female char and hit on the male ones! |
| 09:01.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tell a lot of obviously tongue in cheek jokes that would probably offend various cultures |
| 09:01.00 | Bam__ | haha |
| 09:01.16 | Thrae | !t http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=330716307&postId=3001687257&sid=1#0 <-- Mr_Rabies2, here you go |
| 09:01.18 | ThraeBot | Thrae: http://tinyurl.com/2aw5y8 <-- Mr_Rabies2, here you go |
| 09:01.18 | krka | if it's not offensive, it's not funny |
| 09:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | even in complete jest |
| 09:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i don't really do it to be offensive |
| 09:01.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i say them because they're always over the top |
| 09:01.42 | nevcairiel | that never happens to me, wonder if my name isnt female enough :P |
| 09:01.50 | nevcairiel | meh scrolled up, nvm :) |
| 09:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but some people are really soft skinned |
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| 09:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i try to pick and choose my words among unknown company |
| 09:03.14 | Bam__ | I try humor.. if they don't get it, I walk away... :P |
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| 09:09.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae, reply posted |
| 09:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's weird having two druids in a kara raid and neither of us main heal |
| 09:10.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | iit's usually a priest and a pally or two priests or two priests and a pally |
| 09:10.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally 1 pal 1 pri though |
| 09:10.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | we have a shaman too, he's elemental :D |
| 09:11.55 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Problem is, twinks are all hardcore players, and like all MMORPGs, WoW openly caters to casual players while secretly abusing them and catering to hardcore players |
| 09:12.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | Rogue, Laser Chicken, BearCat, Tankwar, DPS/TankWar, Mage/Warlock, Holy Priest, Shadow Priest, Healadin, Eleshaman |
| 09:12.44 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: This is because casual players can take a hell of a lot of abuse compared to hardcore, since it's distributed, and they're casual anyway. |
| 09:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't say wow caters to hardcore |
| 09:13.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | as much as it allows them to do their thing if they want' |
| 09:13.29 | Thrae | Well, I should say, Blizzard caters to Hardcore. |
| 09:13.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | they get more money from casuals though |
| 09:13.32 | zenzelezz | the hard-core are just more vocal |
| 09:13.40 | zenzelezz | the casuals are happy with things as they are |
| 09:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | hardcore are very high maintenance |
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| 09:14.03 | Thrae | The hardcore are far more vocal and needy then the casuals. A lot of it is just PR. |
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| 09:14.12 | zenzelezz | the wannabe-hard-core are the worst |
| 09:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it appears blizzard caters more to them |
| 09:14.20 | zenzelezz | "omg too hard" -> nerf -> "omg too easy" |
| 09:14.27 | Thrae | Well, Blizzard doesn't -want- to cater to the hardcore |
| 09:14.48 | Thrae | But if they don't, the hardcore players create too much of a PR mess...ok crap, I think my cat just died |
| 09:14.53 | Thrae | Lemme go see what that was |
| 09:14.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 09:15.35 | krka | blizzard caters to hardcore because a lot of casuals either want to be hardcore, or think they're hardcore |
| 09:15.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they have to have something to shoot for |
| 09:16.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if the casual content is as good as the casuals can do they have no goals |
| 09:16.08 | krka | and personally i think games without some hardcore elements suck |
| 09:16.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if they may never step in black temple, it's close enough of a goal that they very well could with some good luck and time |
| 09:16.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they try for it |
| 09:16.30 | krka | i mean... if starcraft was balanced for newbies, it would never have gotten as big |
| 09:16.55 | Thrae | Cats are OK. I can hear their bells (I have the only belled cats for some reason) |
| 09:16.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | if starcraft was balanced* |
| 09:17.02 | krka | people want to progress and get better. when they find that nothing is made for good players, they give up |
| 09:17.10 | krka | Mr_Rabies2: it's very well balanced |
| 09:17.22 | Thrae | krka: Starcraft vs Diablo vs WoW is a real bad analogy in that department |
| 09:17.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd like to dispute that with a carrier rush |
| 09:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | carrier rush basically wins everything from what i've seen |
| 09:17.37 | krka | 1) you can't "rush" carriers |
| 09:17.46 | krka | since you only get them in very late game |
| 09:17.50 | krka | 2) it's easy to counter carriers |
| 09:17.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do you counter them? |
| 09:18.00 | krka | goliaths |
| 09:18.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always use them to decimate my friends |
| 09:18.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but none of us are hardcore |
| 09:18.09 | krka | arbiters with stasis field |
| 09:18.19 | krka | i dont think any of the korean top players have problems with carriers |
| 09:18.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | one's a battle.net kiddy and think's he's tough shit |
| 09:18.35 | krka | sure, carriers are great for newbvie matches |
| 09:18.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | two carrier rushes later and he was pissed off |
| 09:18.46 | krka | but they're not so great in pro-matches |
| 09:18.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend and i accidentally coordinated two rushes on him |
| 09:19.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | at once |
| 09:19.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was entirely accidental and he just got done at another base across the map |
| 09:19.30 | krka | just focus fire on the carriers, and you're fine |
| 09:19.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so his army was small and ours was oh so very large |
| 09:19.40 | krka | the biggest mistake is letting the units decide for themselves |
| 09:19.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:19.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | control groups are your best friend in starcraft |
| 09:20.20 | krka | zerg can take carriers out with hydras, protoss can use dragoons / scout / templar |
| 09:20.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i personally prefer Dawn of War |
| 09:20.27 | Thrae | I liked making a RPG w/ the Starcraft Campaign Editor. Now -that- was fun. I love trying to push the limits of my programming environment. |
| 09:20.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just feels more epic for me |
| 09:20.40 | krka | also, if you're letting your opponent get enough time and money to pump carriers, you're doing something wrong |
| 09:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | well it was like |
| 09:21.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3v3 or so |
| 09:21.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | he almost decimated one of ours |
| 09:21.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the other guys were too busy spamming turrets like morons |
| 09:21.36 | Thrae | Counters for random spawns were done with giving & reseting various Resources from the NPC player per tick of the script. God that was so cool to figure out. |
| 09:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope SC2 has some form of dota |
| 09:22.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to get in on that before all the hardcore players shun me |
| 09:22.23 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: You can bet it will |
| 09:22.25 | zenzelezz | Thrae: sounds neat :) |
| 09:22.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, it has no hero classes in the game itself |
| 09:22.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that doesn't mean it doesn't have them in the editor |
| 09:22.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | er hero units |
| 09:23.14 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Yeah, I used to use a new unit type for each "level up", but then one guy said "Why don't you just increase the HP max & damage?" then I was like "duhh". So you only had 3 new units instead of like 10 per class. |
| 09:24.23 | zenzelezz | I'm afraid the most successful thing I've made for a game was a map of my high school for Counter-Strike (HL1 version)... but I had to convert it from a hostage rescue to a bombing one, no-one wanted to save the teachers |
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| 09:24.37 | zenzelezz | but man did we have fun playing that one |
| 09:24.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember editing some bs towerdefense map in warcraft 3 |
| 09:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | they made the endboss heal himself faster than the turrets could possibly damage him |
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| 09:25.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | even with every pixel of the map filled with the ultimate turrets |
| 09:25.31 | krka | i just want lua in their next map editor |
| 09:25.36 | TheZanke | can anyone inform how to change the clientside cat form model in wow, like in The Fat Cow video... but instead of the guy he was i wanna make myself a naga... (not the skin but the ENTIRE model) |
| 09:25.49 | Thrae | Now making an RPG on early WoW was also a hell of a lot of fun. Too bad I never finished it. It was a randomly generated dungeon where classes gained levels beyond 10 by using a device called a "Scism Soul", which did the Blademaster Illusion graphic and changed you to another unit with the same exact stats, except they had all different spells. This way, I could technically give them an infinite number of spells. |
| 09:25.53 | zenzelezz | model changing is not allowed |
| 09:25.55 | Thrae | Wait |
| 09:25.58 | Thrae | s/WoW/WC3/ |
| 09:26.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | zanke, it's against ToS, but it involves making new MPQ files and stuff |
| 09:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a chore now |
| 09:26.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not really worth it |
| 09:26.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially considering it'll make all the mobs in teh game that use the model into naga too |
| 09:26.40 | Thrae | zenzelezz: I pray Jack Tompson never, ever reads logs from this channel |
| 09:26.43 | TheZanke | is there a link i can grab? i will stop bothering u guys ^.^ |
| 09:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the cats in blade's edge |
| 09:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they'll turn into naga |
| 09:27.11 | zenzelezz | Thrae: lol :) I doubt I was the only one that made something like that |
| 09:27.30 | Thrae | zenzelezz: That doesn't matter with Jack ;) |
| 09:27.36 | zenzelezz | sad but true :-( |
| 09:28.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | TheZanke, developers come in here, so helping people violate the terms of service is frowned upon by the moderatio |
| 09:28.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | moderation* |
| 09:28.11 | zenzelezz | we had so much fun with that map... hiding in closets, or the soda machine; in one version you could even swim from the swimming pool into the toilets o_O |
| 09:28.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're better off with some careful googlefu and luck |
| 09:28.32 | TheZanke | I was told that doing it clientside only wasnt against toss |
| 09:28.35 | TheZanke | tos* |
| 09:28.40 | krka | how else would you do it? |
| 09:28.43 | krka | you cant touch their servers |
| 09:28.52 | zenzelezz | I'd be very interested in seeing you do it server-side :-p |
| 09:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | editing the ground to get to C'thun is client side |
| 09:29.02 | TheZanke | heh |
| 09:29.05 | TheZanke | give me time |
| 09:29.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's very against rules :P |
| 09:29.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | the terrain and everything is client side |
| 09:29.18 | TheZanke | i am getting certified for ethical hacking in august ^.^ |
| 09:29.23 | TheZanke | but i wouldnt call that ethical |
| 09:29.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | the server seems to only store mob spawn locations and scripts for mobs and stuff to do |
| 09:29.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | as well as item databases, chat logs, etc |
| 09:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | player location is both client and server side for smoothness |
| 09:30.17 | TheZanke | btw, pardon my chopped engrish... I have been MMOing since UO (1.0) |
| 09:30.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah, editing your model files is against Terms of Service |
| 09:30.42 | TheZanke | bleh |
| 09:30.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | however it's probably not detectable by warden but that could be changed any day |
| 09:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | or already could be |
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| 09:30.59 | krka | Mr_Rabies2: are quests and stuff serverside? and all the events you can listen for |
| 09:31.08 | Thrae | I have been MMO'ing since MUDs, but I don't see how that is relevant ;) |
| 09:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, krka |
| 09:31.16 | krka | oh interestin |
| 09:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been MMOing since WoW beta basically |
| 09:31.25 | TheZanke | Rock on, if its frowned upon in here its all good, i just saw it in that Video and assumed itd be okay. |
| 09:31.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, with some googling you may be able to find what you search for |
| 09:31.55 | zenzelezz | I remember Anarchy Online's client-side resource database... stored spell info and everything. Quite nice for the database sites once they figured how to read it |
| 09:32.08 | TheZanke | That reminded me of a yellow book.com commercial |
| 09:32.10 | Thrae | TheZanke: If you're talking about skinning, it's not really unethical, but it's against the TOS and this is a high-profile channel, being related to wowinterface.com |
| 09:32.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but straight up helping people violate Terms of Service is a good way to move the wowinterface crew off the whitelist with developers |
| 09:33.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | saying you have is a pretty different thing than actually telling people how to, though |
| 09:33.06 | krka | it's really clever of wow to store most things server side |
| 09:33.11 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 09:33.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they learned from diablo |
| 09:33.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | diablo 1 was ALL clientside |
| 09:33.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | people had characters hacked like crazy |
| 09:33.37 | TheZanke | tgoogle whispered me to use mywarcraftstudio... but IRC that doesnt work anymore |
| 09:33.37 | krka | yeah |
| 09:33.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | diablo 2 was clientside for single player and "open" battle.net |
| 09:33.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and serverside characters for realm play |
| 09:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was actually possible in WoW for a while, thrae |
| 09:34.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | with some weird mobile ones |
| 09:34.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd occasionally start moving way too fast |
| 09:34.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and some people got banned for speedhacking and the like |
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| 09:35.06 | zenzelezz | didn't HL1 have a problem with that also at one point? |
| 09:35.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | player location is player side then synced with the server |
| 09:35.18 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah, except EQ started out as clientside for that, and the effect was very common compared to WoW ;) |
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| 09:35.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | so people who don't like their accounts have been able to steer boats to weird locations and stuff |
| 09:35.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | the boats are clientside too |
| 09:35.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | as are model hitboxes |
| 09:35.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | because the terrain and stuff seems to be all clientside for the moment |
| 09:36.18 | Thrae | I remember in DAoC, the boats in the 1st paid Expansion (Something Isles) would get stuck all the time |
| 09:36.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so if you had a way to move 2.0 beta outland terrain files to 2.1, it may work |
| 09:36.31 | Thrae | Since I actually used 'em, I started getting on a first-name basis with the GMs |
| 09:36.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm guessing they use some CRC now for terrain and whatnot |
| 09:37.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | people have changed, say, treasure chests to stairs and climbed up them and stuff |
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| 09:37.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and other players will see them moving up and down the invisible stairs above a treasure chest |
| 09:38.05 | TheZanke | lol thats funny stuff |
| 09:38.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking after it gets bad someone will manage to do something really bad with the clientside hit detection and they'll close up the files even more |
| 09:39.26 | Thrae | http://xkcd.com/c184.html <-- I am jmust enough of a math geek to understand this |
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| 09:41.05 | Thrae | http://xkcd.com/c186.html <-- I love Nintendo :) |
| 09:42.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really get that first one but i do believe there's some kind of canceling out to equal turning the matrix 90 degrees :X |
| 09:43.13 | Srosh | The matrix describes a rotation of 90° to the right. ;) |
| 09:43.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i fail at math though |
| 09:43.57 | Srosh | So if you take a vector and use the matrix on it, you get the vector turned by 90°. ^^ |
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| 09:44.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really hope i see the myndflame crew at dragoncon :x |
| 09:45.16 | zenzelezz | dragoncon? |
| 09:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | biggest nerdcon in the something |
| 09:45.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | fantasy/scifi mostly |
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| 09:46.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | gaming/anime/horror/etc too though |
| 09:46.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the myndflame crew's having a panel on machinma there |
| 09:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | some of you more scifi/fantasy nerds, tell me if there's any guests i should see there |
| 09:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.dragoncon.org/dc_guests_list.php |
| 09:49.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | obviously the star trek crew, but otherwise |
| 09:49.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and the mythbusters crew |
| 09:56.47 | TheZanke | anyone have something long and entertaining to watch while i farm? |
| 09:57.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a video of some cats fighting to streets of rage music |
| 09:57.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could always loop that |
| 09:57.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=az20ao026N0 |
| 09:57.45 | TheZanke | lol |
| 10:00.38 | TheZanke | ima just watch waiting again |
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| 10:37.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 know the maxiun length of a charecters name ? |
| 10:45.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | It's not very long |
| 10:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably 16 characters |
| 10:45.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see |
| 10:45.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a possibility it's different on different clients though |
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| 10:46.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i'd imagine germanic based clients would be allowed more space because some words in germanic languages tend to be pretty long :O |
| 10:47.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could be wrong entirely though |
| 10:47.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | 12 characters :x |
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| 11:00.02 | Thrae | http://xkcd.com/c203.html <-- L.O.L. |
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| 11:21.23 | zenzelezz | anyone know if you can search for more than one type of armor (ie. mail + plate but not the rest) on WoWhead somehow? |
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| 11:22.42 | nevcairiel | add 2 filters? |
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| 11:25.18 | Thelyna | primal fire farming makes me :( |
| 11:25.32 | Thelyna | wonder how the arc/fire or pure fire mages in my guild managed |
| 11:26.07 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: is there a filter for armor type? I didn't find one last time I checked, but I might have missed it |
| 11:26.20 | nevcairiel | yeah i was mistaken, i dont think they have that |
| 11:26.25 | nevcairiel | use allakazham =P |
| 11:26.31 | zenzelezz | one of the few things I miss about WoWhead |
| 11:27.22 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Wowhead is still around, why do you miss it? |
| 11:27.44 | Thelyna | s/miss/dislike? |
| 11:27.50 | Thelyna | or miss wowhead not having |
| 11:27.52 | zenzelezz | I don't miss the site, I miss the ability to specify more than one armor type |
| 11:28.04 | zenzelezz | while not including all types |
| 11:28.10 | Thrae | Oh, comparing Wowhead to Alla? |
| 11:28.17 | zenzelezz | or Thott, whichever |
| 11:29.20 | zenzelezz | I still prefer WoWhead, it'd just be easier to find BoE resist gear without searching twice =) |
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| 11:56.35 | Wobin | Damnit =( |
| 11:56.44 | Wobin | My wireless mouse is failing to work =\ |
| 11:57.54 | Thrae | Wobin: Beware Wireless input devices -- http://bash.org/?162487 |
| 11:58.20 | Wobin | heeh |
| 11:58.52 | krka | people buy wireless stuff? |
| 11:59.26 | krka | i've never felt the need to have a wireless keyboard, when i always have the keyword in the same place in front of the screen :) |
| 11:59.43 | Thrae | krka: I have a wireless mouse, which I use to control my Windows computer to watch downloaded crap while laying on my bed. |
| 12:00.02 | Punkie` | Thrae: me too :P |
| 12:00.13 | krka | get a bluetooth phone! |
| 12:00.16 | krka | <3 |
| 12:00.21 | krka | i have two bluetooth phones |
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| 12:00.44 | Thrae | As do I, but I would need to move my bluetooth dongle from my laptop to the desktop for no apparant reason :D |
| 12:01.02 | Thrae | I use the Bluetooth dongle on my laptop to connect to the Internet through my phone while outside |
| 12:01.36 | krka | get two dongles |
| 12:01.52 | clad|sleep | dongle dongle dongle =) |
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| 12:02.17 | Thrae | Why do I want to control my computer from my phone when a laptop is sitting right next to my bed, and VNC on my Windows computer, and using a Wireless mouse otherwise is easier |
| 12:02.46 | Thrae | I think krka just likes his setup :D |
| 12:02.56 | krka | for watching downloaded crap, i think bluetooth phone as a remote control is easier |
| 12:02.59 | krka | imo |
| 12:03.19 | Thrae | krka: I disagree |
| 12:03.26 | nevcairiel | i use the remote control that came with my audigy |
| 12:03.29 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:03.44 | Thrae | I already had the wireless mouse anyway, so the cost was $0 |
| 12:04.01 | krka | yeah... but a mouse as remote control? O_o |
| 12:04.12 | bleeter | hmm, all the BG queues seem to have vanished |
| 12:04.16 | krka | too few buttons, and too hard to control without a good surface |
| 12:04.23 | bleeter | at least on, I think it's Vengeance battlegroup |
| 12:04.35 | Thrae | krka: My bed is surrounded by tables. I do not need to move very much to use the mouse. |
| 12:05.00 | Thrae | And when I say very much, I mean just my arm muscles, about as much as using a remote control. |
| 12:05.27 | krka | agree to disagree then :) |
| 12:06.12 | Thrae | Anyway, $0 + a tiny bit more effort is always better to me then >$0 |
| 12:08.14 | zenzelezz | color me noob... didn't Scorpid sting use to just lower str/agi or something? |
| 12:08.48 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 12:08.54 | nevcairiel | way back |
| 12:09.22 | zenzelezz | I must have missed the patch note that stated the change o_O |
| 12:09.33 | zenzelezz | never used it because of the old stats |
| 12:15.17 | zenzelezz | dear god, there was an awful screeching noise coming and going, was sure some electronic device in my room was dying... open my window and realize it's someone working on a house down the street |
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| 12:29.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe u know wut |
| 12:29.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | becase no hunter ever used it i even specced for improbed scorpid sting and i always used it :P |
| 12:30.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | it was as useless as hell to improve it :P |
| 12:31.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | reduces stanima by 10% of the total str reduced witch was 79 so it reduced like 8 stanima :P |
| 12:31.38 | zenzelezz | imba! |
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| 12:40.24 | Legorol | is someone intimately familiar with Dongle around by any chance? |
| 12:40.32 | Legorol | i have a (probably very noobish) question |
| 12:40.39 | Legorol | what's the difference between Dongle and DongleStub? |
| 12:41.01 | clad|sleep | DongleStub is just a versioning stub |
| 12:41.24 | clad|sleep | based off Iriel's stub |
| 12:41.26 | Legorol | ok i have a problem with a 3rd party addon, probably the author's fault |
| 12:41.30 | clad|sleep | Dongle is the framework itself |
| 12:41.32 | clad|sleep | which addon? |
| 12:41.37 | clad|sleep | and what error? |
| 12:41.37 | Legorol | clsaver |
| 12:41.47 | Legorol | the addon consists of 3 files? clsaver.toc, clsaver.lua, Dongle.lua |
| 12:42.07 | clad|sleep | Its an issue with Alkis not having updated his addon from Beta/Alpha stage of Dongle, most likely |
| 12:42.08 | Legorol | an earlier (working) version of the addon's Dongle.lua starts like this: |
| 12:42.17 | Legorol | local major = "DongleStub" |
| 12:42.17 | Legorol | local minor = tonumber(string.match("$Revision: 291 $", "(%d+)") or 1) |
| 12:42.17 | Legorol | local g = getfenv(0) |
| 12:42.19 | Legorol | etc. |
| 12:42.22 | Legorol | this seems to work fine |
| 12:42.37 | clad|sleep | can you look in clsaver.lua and see what dongle major version he's expecting? |
| 12:42.55 | Legorol | the first three lines in the latest version start like this: |
| 12:42.55 | Legorol | local major = "Dongle-1.1" |
| 12:42.55 | Legorol | local minor = tonumber(string.match("$Revision: 397 $", "(%d+)") or 1) |
| 12:42.55 | Legorol | assert(DongleStub, string.format("%s requires DongleStub.", major)) |
| 12:43.01 | Legorol | and is chocking on the assertion |
| 12:43.18 | clad|book | he grabbed an un-tagged version |
| 12:43.20 | clad|book | which is his bad |
| 12:43.25 | clad|book | drop this file in thre |
| 12:43.25 | clad|book | http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/tags/1.1-RC/Dongle-1.1-RC1/Dongle.lua |
| 12:43.33 | Legorol | i have no idea what untagged version means |
| 12:43.42 | Legorol | i would love it if you care to elaborate, but you're probably busy |
| 12:44.00 | Legorol | what's a stub, what's the difference between Dongle and DongleStub, why is it asserting on the presence of DongleStub etc. |
| 12:44.04 | clad|book | Dongle versions must be used from tags, not from trunk.. We have a build process that puts DongleStub.lua at the top of Dongle.lua so its a single file drop in library |
| 12:44.30 | clad|book | this is a stub, and discusses the motivation, etc: http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/embedlibrary1.html |
| 12:45.02 | Legorol | ok, reading |
| 12:45.04 | clad|book | Dongle is a framework, DongleStub is a simple global stub that allows you to version your libraries, and intelligently handle version upgrades, and allowing multiple major versions to exist alongside each other. |
| 12:45.12 | Legorol | looking at clsaver.lua, it starts like this: |
| 12:45.12 | Legorol | assert(DongleStub, string.format("clsaver requires DongleStub.")) |
| 12:45.12 | Legorol | local clsaver = DongleStub("Dongle-1.0"):New("clsaver") |
| 12:45.26 | clad|book | hrm, that definitely won't work then |
| 12:45.27 | Legorol | is he using wrong version of Dongle.lua? |
| 12:45.30 | clad|book | he's mixing things |
| 12:45.32 | Legorol | yah, thought so |
| 12:45.47 | Legorol | it's probably only working for him because he has both Dongles installed? |
| 12:45.48 | clad|book | in that case, this is what you want |
| 12:45.49 | clad|book | http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/tags/Dongle-1.0-r871/Dongle.lua |
| 12:45.54 | clad|book | Legorol: yeah |
| 12:46.17 | clad|book | hopping in the shower quick, but brb. |
| 12:48.59 | bleeter | oh, nm me |
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| 14:00.09 | Andarkon | Which WoW API function returns more details about an item, more details than GetItemInfo()? |
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| 14:06.10 | Josh_Borke | Andarkon: such as? |
| 14:06.49 | Andarkon | For example: a chestpiece, its defense, durability, etc. The same information yielded by a mouseover tooltip |
| 14:08.26 | Josh_Borke | you'll have to look at the game api for that, those are all separate information |
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| 14:08.59 | Josh_Borke | GetItemInfo returns its type and sub-type |
| 14:09.03 | Josh_Borke | and where it can be equipped |
| 14:09.15 | Andarkon | and its enchantment and so on. Yes |
| 14:11.03 | Josh_Borke | you might have to scan the tooltip |
| 14:13.09 | Andarkon | Here's what I'm doing: I slightly modified Possessions to return more information than before and splash the information on a Rails webpage |
| 14:13.36 | Andarkon | So I'm not sure how to scan a tooltip without user intervention, outside of logging in/out the banking character |
| 14:14.00 | Josh_Borke | well, you have to log into the character to get any information about it |
| 14:14.13 | Andarkon | Correct and that's not a problem. |
| 14:14.47 | Andarkon | The logging in/out the character by me is fine. I'd like to provide more information about the items than the GetItemInfo can give me |
| 14:15.24 | Andarkon | is there a function that scans the tooltip of each item without the obligatory mouseover action? |
| 14:18.25 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 14:18.59 | Josh_Borke | Andarkon: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 14:26.37 | Josh_Borke | morning kirk |
| 14:26.44 | Kirkburn | Morning :P |
| 14:29.00 | Andarkon | I see the call format, and what it returns, et al. What I don't see is where I can pass an ItemID or ItemLink to a GameToolTip method |
| 14:30.10 | ts|skrom_ | well for spells it's GameTooltip:SetSpell(spellID) |
| 14:30.24 | ts|skrom_ | iirc |
| 14:30.44 | Andarkon | isn't Set destructive as to overwrite the previous spell's tooltip? |
| 14:31.02 | Andarkon | I'm looking to retrieve information on an Item |
| 14:31.06 | ts|skrom_ | well yeah, you can only have one tooltip at a time |
| 14:31.24 | ts|skrom_ | well that's not entirely true, but you get the idea. |
| 14:31.29 | ts|skrom_ | you create, parse, delete |
| 14:32.03 | ts|skrom_ | Make your own tooltip object to SetItem or whatever the call is on, which preserves the main game tooltip |
| 14:32.34 | ts|skrom_ | how did the rolling restarts go? servers back up? |
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| 14:36.44 | Josh_Borke | Andarkon: yes, you create a second tooltip which you should never show. you can then use said tooltip to scan through all your items without interrupting the main tooltip |
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| 14:37.05 | Andarkon | That's a lead. Thanks |
| 14:39.00 | Andarkon | Your help has pointed me to a SEA library function that should do what I expect |
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| 14:40.21 | Josh_Borke | SEA is another viable option |
| 14:45.56 | Andarkon | I'm of the 'the wheel is already invented here' philosophy |
| 14:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | Always makes the car drive more easily when you use wheels. :) |
| 14:47.22 | krka | i'm of the "if the wheel is 3 lines of code, i'll reinvent it" philosophy |
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| 14:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | Invent me some code for chocolate, and I'll be indebted to you forever. |
| 14:50.33 | Andarkon | I really dislike this Textmate bug |
| 14:50.54 | Josh_Borke | use vim :-D |
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| 14:51.59 | Andarkon | I wish. Is there a vim variant that will sidepanel me a Rails folder structure? |
| 14:52.25 | Andarkon | Even with two displays, window clutter is daunting |
| 14:52.55 | Valaron|Work | Rails folder structure? |
| 14:53.01 | Andarkon | Ruby on Rails |
| 14:53.19 | Valaron|Work | Ahh.. not familiar with Ruby. |
| 14:53.36 | Andarkon | if you Textmate a folder, it'll show you a drawer with the descending files and folders. Pretty handy |
| 14:53.55 | Valaron|Work | Like a File Manager? |
| 14:54.28 | Andarkon | More or less, yes |
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| 14:55.46 | Valaron|Work | I just do: vim -o file1 file2 .. fileN |
| 14:56.08 | Andarkon | Eh... I've done that in the past. |
| 14:56.23 | Valaron|Work | *nod* |
| 14:57.12 | Valaron|Work | I tend to try not to modify multiple files at once. It'll get too confusing. |
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| 14:58.48 | Andarkon | I don't have a choice with Rails. Rails follow the MVC methodology: Model, View, Controller |
| 14:59.05 | Andarkon | Three different files for each |
| 14:59.15 | Andarkon | all in different folders :) |
| 14:59.29 | Valaron|Work | Ahh |
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| 15:00.58 | Andarkon | if I could find a vim with a simple file manager, GUI, I'd ditch Textmate in a flash |
| 15:02.41 | Valaron|Work | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1950 |
| 15:04.40 | Andarkon | It's a start. Thanks! :) |
| 15:04.55 | Valaron|Work | It was a quick google search. |
| 15:04.59 | Valaron|Work | Took 5 seconds. |
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| 15:07.06 | Valaron|Work | I'd be curious to see how it works... but coffee first. |
| 15:08.58 | deltron | hah |
| 15:09.09 | deltron | never saw that lightheaded was reviewed on wowinsider |
| 15:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | That's neat. I find LightHeaded handy-fun. |
| 15:11.27 | deltron | totally |
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| 15:19.59 | Kaydeethree | la-de-da... ah the joys of knowing where to look. yay for finding more of the book I found last night |
| 15:20.10 | Valaron|Work | Huh? |
| 15:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | Books? |
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| 15:20.42 | Kaydeethree | something that's been leaked. it's street date is in a few days |
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| 15:22.20 | cog|work | Harriet Pothead? |
| 15:22.29 | Kaydeethree | indeed |
| 15:22.57 | cog|work | When I worked at a movie theater, one of the projectionists labeled its reels that way XD |
| 15:23.06 | Kaydeethree | haha |
| 15:24.10 | zenzelezz | I had to read the first of those books as part of my English class one semester... didn't like it at all :-| |
| 15:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. They're okay for their audience. |
| 15:25.36 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying they're bad, I said I don't like it :-p |
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| 15:37.54 | Valaron|Work | vimExplorer seems to work fairly well. |
| 15:39.11 | Andarkon | It's confiding and unsmooth. |
| 15:39.29 | zenzelezz | confiding? |
| 15:39.47 | Andarkon | wrong word, the spelling escapes me at the moment. restricted, ill-fitting |
| 15:40.06 | Valaron|Work | Well, you are working within the confines of the text window. |
| 15:40.29 | Andarkon | Yes! Which isn't my style at all. The days of Wyse-60 terminals are long behind me. |
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| 15:40.58 | Valaron|Work | Hail to the glory that is GUI. |
| 15:41.03 | Andarkon | Hehe |
| 15:41.50 | Andarkon | text -> IIgs -> Windows -> X11 -> Cocoa |
| 15:42.24 | Valaron|Work | -> text |
| 15:42.29 | Valaron|Work | The cycle is complete. |
| 15:42.46 | Andarkon | what's 'text', anyway? |
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| 15:44.21 | Andarkon | Speaking of which, time for fresh ground coffee (roasted by yours truly) |
| 15:44.31 | Valaron|Work | Yes! |
| 15:44.56 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm... almost sounds good even to me. |
| 15:45.29 | Andarkon | Once you've had your own coffee, you never go back (I do sometimes drink the swill they call coffee at restaurants just to keep my palate trained) |
| 15:50.46 | TheZanke | exmode |
| 15:50.48 | TheZanke | m |
| 15:50.50 | TheZanke | t |
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| 16:16.57 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work did you fix the bug in autodnd yet? :P |
| 16:17.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ah |
| 16:17.13 | sag_ich_nicht | looks like you did :) |
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| 16:51.21 | clad|away | anyone here have experience with ruby on rails.. throwing quick applications together? |
| 16:51.45 | Valaron|Work | Andarkon does. |
| 16:52.30 | clad|away | hrm, okay |
| 16:52.44 | Valaron|Work | We were discussing it earlier. |
| 16:53.04 | clad|away | I have the need to toss together a quick ror or django application |
| 16:53.52 | DragonWin | hmm... when your first addon (taken from the blizzard tutorial.html) won't work it is a sign that I should not fiddle with addons ;-) |
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| 16:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | DragonWin, do you have the lua errors option turned off in the Blizzard Interface Options? That prevents you from seeing the errors to troubleshoot your trial addon. |
| 16:55.22 | Valaron|Work | Perhaps you don't have Error Messages enabled. |
| 16:55.29 | DragonWin | hmmm it should not be off, but I'll check |
| 16:55.41 | DragonWin | thanks |
| 16:55.49 | Valaron|Work | Hello, World! |
| 16:56.00 | DragonWin | yep but it won't greet the world ;-) |
| 16:56.51 | clad|away | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fSpI4oZoDc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fp |
| 16:58.11 | DragonWin | ohhh message() is the function used to display error messages ... thanks now it is visible |
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| 16:59.50 | clad|away | :P |
| 17:00.13 | Lopeppeppy | You're twisted and wrong, Clad. Just wanted you to know that. *grin* |
| 17:00.22 | clad|away | why is this |
| 17:00.24 | clad|away | i mean i happen to agree |
| 17:00.41 | Lopeppeppy | Party, laying bears? |
| 17:00.45 | Valaron|Work | That was so funny! |
| 17:01.24 | Valaron|Work | Now I'm going to be humming that song all day :( |
| 17:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | Da-da-da! |
| 17:02.23 | clad|away | hehe |
| 17:03.13 | Cairenn | clad|away: you bitch! now that's going to be stuck in my head all day long! |
| 17:03.21 | clad|away | wtfzors |
| 17:03.41 | clad|away | hehe :P |
| 17:04.32 | Thrae | I'm failing miserably at theorycraft...trying to make gear comparisons between two different classes |
| 17:04.38 | Lopeppeppy | When you get a song stuck in your head, hum the Indiana Jones theme song to chase it away. You know, the one that plays while he's flying around in the airplane and the little lines are drawn on the maps. |
| 17:04.48 | Thrae | So far, Rogues seem to always win...ugh! |
| 17:05.00 | Thrae | I need to nerf the Rogues |
| 17:05.10 | Valaron|Work | There's a Draenai video with that song. |
| 17:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | Rogues am winzors. We suck. |
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| 17:15.40 | ts|skrom_ | any D&D fans here? |
| 17:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ya, depending on what you mean by D&D and "fan"... *wink* |
| 17:16.05 | DragonWin | used to play PnP AD&D when I were a kid |
| 17:16.06 | ts|skrom_ | I'm looking for a drow based module with either an elemental theme or one with an internal struggle like two hostile drow factiosn in one dungeon |
| 17:16.31 | ts|skrom_ | I can make one obviously, but was wondering if anyone knew of one |
| 17:17.18 | DragonWin | nothing springs to mind .... I can't remember that far back ;-) |
| 17:17.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. I'd have to dumpster dive into my boxes of old gaming magazines and the old D&D books... I keep files, not memories. :) |
| 17:17.44 | DragonWin | hehe smart move ;-) |
| 17:17.45 | ts|skrom_ | lol |
| 17:17.54 | ts|skrom_ | I'm checking my dungeon archive |
| 17:17.57 | ts|skrom_ | but so far coming up empty |
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| 17:19.15 | ts|skrom_ | I'm bringing some 9th level toons to the conclusion of a story arc that they've been working towards since level 1, a kinda major drow showdown that'll leave a clan of dwarves free, an enclave of drow defeated and a fledgling nation with a new ally |
| 17:21.25 | Lopeppeppy | I love it when campaigns actually have conclusions, don't just.....drift to an end. |
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| 17:27.54 | Cairenn | yo art3mis |
| 17:29.14 | zenzelezz | for a moment there I thought Cairenn was using some variant of 1337sp34k |
| 17:29.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | I was confused and frightened for a second too. |
| 17:30.58 | Cairenn | i w00d n3v4h d0 th47 |
| 17:31.23 | ts|skrom_ | Sweet : http://dreamers.com/lichlair/modulos/ddmodules.htm |
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| 17:32.10 | Beladona | 0.O |
| 17:32.16 | Seigi | Ello~ |
| 17:32.22 | Beladona | ! <no this is not a wuest> |
| 17:32.26 | Beladona | quest* |
| 17:32.36 | Seigi | Impossible, it must be a quest |
| 17:32.43 | DragonWin | oi, alot of modules there ... now don't tempt me to start reading them or I will never learn how to make addons |
| 17:33.02 | Beladona | you know, I finally admitted to myself yesterday that I play too much wow |
| 17:33.02 | ts|skrom_ | it's just a lit of modules, their recommended levels and what publication theya re in |
| 17:33.21 | Beladona | because I was trying to get my cat to follow me out of the office, and I used line of sight to pull him |
| 17:33.26 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 17:33.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:33.31 | ts|skrom_ | haha |
| 17:33.35 | DragonWin | hehe |
| 17:33.40 | zenzelezz | that's not actually weird |
| 17:33.45 | zenzelezz | cats are naturally curious |
| 17:33.51 | DragonWin | hmmm this mod sounds kinda dangerous: Valley of the snails |
| 17:33.59 | Beladona | no but I didn't realize I was doing it till after |
| 17:35.39 | zenzelezz | I don't like to generalize PUGs, but this one really sucked... first one of them goes AFK right as we enter Steamvaults. Then we spend 10 minutes of the rest of the people telling me to turn off growl on my pet because it's exactly like a warrior's Taunt (their words). After 30 minutes we're getting close to first boss (!) and tank wants to go AFK... |
| 17:35.59 | zenzelezz | so I say "this will be the slowest Steamvault ever at this rate", and they kick me |
| 17:36.11 | DragonWin | lol |
| 17:36.18 | zenzelezz | but in the back of my mind I'm feeling a great sense of relief at being out of the team |
| 17:38.05 | Lopeppeppy | The warriors I run with pretty much have a standard statement. "You can use the Growl if you want to, but if you do, I won't be taunting off the pet." As in... if you want your pet to tank that's excellent awesome, and I won't exert myself to prevent it so long as I know it's on purpose. Seems to work out okay. |
| 17:38.28 | Lopeppeppy | I like pets in groups, I don't understand why people get all snarky about it. |
| 17:38.37 | zenzelezz | I've never had trouble keeping aggro from a Growling pet on my warrior |
| 17:39.20 | Josh_Borke | as a crappy paladin tank with not much tanking gear, i can't keep aggro off of a growling pet |
| 17:39.29 | DragonWin | I guess it depends on the warrior, had a group where the tank could not even keep aggro of me on auto attack ... group fell apart after first mini boss |
| 17:39.46 | DragonWin | <--- Shaman |
| 17:40.07 | MoonWolf | ah, shaman one of the two fucked damage classes |
| 17:40.10 | MoonWolf | no agro dump |
| 17:40.18 | DragonWin | true |
| 17:40.20 | DragonWin | and it hurts |
| 17:40.21 | zenzelezz | the second being? |
| 17:40.25 | MoonWolf | warrior |
| 17:40.35 | Josh_Borke | paladin? |
| 17:40.37 | zenzelezz | ah, they can suck it up, they get to wear plate |
| 17:40.43 | MoonWolf | paladin is NOT a dps class |
| 17:40.47 | Josh_Borke | spriest? |
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| 17:40.58 | Josh_Borke | and don't say fade |
| 17:41.09 | DragonWin | it works if you use it often enough |
| 17:41.31 | DragonWin | granted it does consume some of your mana pool |
| 17:41.36 | Josh_Borke | correct me if i'm wrong, but it's only a temporary threat dump? |
| 17:41.54 | ts|skrom_ | yes |
| 17:41.59 | DragonWin | yes |
| 17:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Only temporary, uses some of the mana pool... |
| 17:42.36 | Josh_Borke | is the threat generated during fade permanently modified or not? |
| 17:42.43 | DragonWin | yes permanent |
| 17:42.57 | ts|skrom_ | the change reverts when fade fades |
| 17:42.57 | DragonWin | it drops a bit of aggro right away, and the aggro you generate while faded is lowered |
| 17:42.58 | Josh_Borke | then it is marginally useful |
| 17:43.23 | Josh_Borke | all thread dumped originally is regained at the end of the fade duration |
| 17:43.36 | DragonWin | Well if you pull aggro you know right away to fade, stop dps and let the tank regain xx% before starting again |
| 17:43.53 | DragonWin | that way the tank has a chance to stay above you |
| 17:44.08 | DragonWin | but then again I have never raided as a dps priest only as healer |
| 17:44.09 | ts|skrom_ | there's no aggro% reduction in fade |
| 17:44.13 | ts|skrom_ | not according to the database |
| 17:44.18 | DragonWin | hmmm |
| 17:44.23 | ts|skrom_ | just the straight dump |
| 17:44.41 | DragonWin | strange |
| 17:44.47 | DragonWin | gotta test that some time |
| 17:45.00 | DragonWin | I wonder if ktm will pick up on it |
| 17:45.05 | cog|work | "Well if you pull aggro you know right away to fade, *******stop dps******** and let the tank regain xx% before starting again" <---- quoted for emphasis |
| 17:45.15 | art3mis | wow |
| 17:45.30 | zenzelezz | lol cog |
| 17:45.33 | art3mis | i dont know if i can handle THIS much wow nerd talk |
| 17:45.35 | cog|work | As a tank, you have no idea how many times I pull my hair out when people get aggro and keep attacking |
| 17:45.46 | art3mis | cog: its a game weplay |
| 17:45.49 | zenzelezz | as a fellow tnak I do |
| 17:45.54 | art3mis | its called Stealing Aggro |
| 17:45.56 | zenzelezz | *tank |
| 17:45.58 | art3mis | first one dead wins |
| 17:46.04 | cog|work | art3mis: you're in the wrong channel if you don't want to see wow nerd talk :P |
| 17:46.05 | DragonWin | hehe Cog if I do that on a raid I'm dead meat ... that usally teaches me a point ;-) |
| 17:46.13 | cog|work | programming is about as nerdy as it gets ;) |
| 17:46.17 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: what about when they are crappy tanks? |
| 17:46.23 | art3mis | cog: hehe yeah last night in wowace wehad amini physics talk |
| 17:46.28 | art3mis | was rather odd |
| 17:46.40 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: i tanked the ogre boss in shattered halls as a shadow priest |
| 17:46.46 | cog|work | hehe |
| 17:46.57 | zenzelezz | had several classes tank that one |
| 17:46.58 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 17:47.01 | zenzelezz | I hate it |
| 17:47.04 | Josh_Borke | the crappy tank had aggro for like 15 seconds |
| 17:47.10 | Josh_Borke | seriously, i was pulling aggro on trash |
| 17:47.19 | Josh_Borke | sorry, heal aggro from VE |
| 17:47.24 | art3mis | thats what you get for being an uber face melter ;P |
| 17:47.25 | Josh_Borke | he SUCKED |
| 17:47.28 | sag_ich_nicht | I have a 100% real leak of a certain object that may or may not arrive on a day between the 20th and the 22th in front of me |
| 17:47.34 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: did he lose aggro before or after the threat wipe? |
| 17:47.40 | cog|work | I've tanked BM with only 20 points in prot so I wouldn't know :P |
| 17:47.54 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure it was after and he didn't have aggro any more after that |
| 17:47.55 | sag_ich_nicht | kind of tempting to troll the forums with it... but i won't :O |
| 17:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | sag_ich_nicht, that wouldn't be very nice. It's widely known that it was leaked, so anyone who wants to know already does. |
| 17:48.23 | Josh_Borke | what are you talking about? |
| 17:48.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: the leak from 2 weeks ago was fake |
| 17:48.30 | sag_ich_nicht | fyi |
| 17:48.59 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: I wouldn't say he sucked if he had trouble getting aggro after threat wipe; unless the group stopped all DPS as it happened. No matter what I try I always have trouble after the wipe |
| 17:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | I know that, sag_ich_nicht. And I know that this one is supposed to be real. *shrug* Don't care. (Harry Potter #7 info) |
| 17:49.17 | sag_ich_nicht | damn it now you said it |
| 17:49.21 | sag_ich_nicht | and i will get a million queries |
| 17:49.23 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 17:49.30 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: i was under the impression that there were 2 heads and that he should have still had aggro on the first head |
| 17:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | You were going to anyway, just from the mystery of your post. |
| 17:49.56 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: I don't recall him living long enough to switch back when I go =) |
| 17:49.59 | Josh_Borke | i think i'm going to have to shove my head in a hole for a few weeks |
| 17:50.10 | Josh_Borke | since the ending was ruined for me last time |
| 17:50.42 | zenzelezz | and you don't have to shove your head in a hole as long as you're careful |
| 17:50.52 | zenzelezz | I've managed to stay clear of the LotR movies still |
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| 17:51.09 | art3mis | josh: OR you could not suck and read good books ;P |
| 17:51.12 | deltron | .....what |
| 17:51.16 | art3mis | like World War Z |
| 17:52.08 | cog|work | What's a b..oo..k? |
| 17:52.17 | cog|work | i read teh intarweb, does taht count? |
| 17:52.32 | Lopeppeppy | Them things what gots edu-m-cashunz, Cog. *grin* |
| 17:52.41 | art3mis | there's words on the interweb |
| 17:53.21 | Lopeppeppy | I would argue that the words on the internet are not necessarily educational, but then the same is true for books. |
| 17:53.48 | Josh_Borke | hate @ education |
| 17:54.02 | Josh_Borke | i just got out of a thermo test where i had no clue what was going on for one problem (out of 2) |
| 17:54.30 | art3mis | the internet isfor porn |
| 17:54.36 | art3mis | everything else is filler ;P |
| 17:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ready, normal people? |
| 17:54.51 | zenzelezz | yes, WoW is for the cooldown period |
| 17:57.56 | zenzelezz | judging from the silence it looks like everyone's suddenly busy looking at porn again |
| 17:58.57 | ts|skrom_ | shhhh I can't hear her talk |
| 17:58.57 | DragonWin | or trying to figure out how to regsiter for events and where the args come from :p |
| 18:00.02 | zenzelezz | DragonWin: nice try, but a bit obvious |
| 18:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | She's talking, ts|skrom? That's a higher version than I'm used to. o.O |
| 18:00.13 | DragonWin | damm am I that transparent ? |
| 18:00.45 | Cairenn | book: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5747&highlight=book |
| 18:02.30 | TheZanke | is there a way to make it so if i like put my mouse over an item and mouse 5 click on it it will DE it? |
| 18:08.48 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=330566468&sid=1&pageNo=2 <-- this is why nobody takes the Suggestion Forum seriously...uhh..."solo instances"? |
| 18:08.52 | cog|work | TheZanke: yes... it would be a bit complicated though |
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| 18:09.33 | TheZanke | ^.^ |
| 18:09.36 | cog|work | you would have to make a macro that casts Disenchant and then picks up the container item specified by the frame under the mouse |
| 18:09.45 | cog|work | and bind that macro to a key |
| 18:09.51 | cog|work | s/a key/mouse 5/ |
| 18:10.09 | TheZanke | woah howd u do that? |
| 18:10.16 | Kaydeethree | I uh... what an ending |
| 18:10.22 | DragonWin | hehe |
| 18:10.26 | cog|work | It would take some addon prowess and the /run command |
| 18:10.50 | cog|work | TheZanke: I can be a sign post, but I can't be the road or the car... to busy right now... sry |
| 18:11.13 | cog|work | s/to/too |
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| 18:16.56 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.32 | Cide | bleh |
| 18:17.38 | TheZanke | i looked at the ct mail mod alt let click thing and i assume it has something to do with cursorhasitem() |
| 18:17.52 | Cide | it'll be a while, the container frames suck |
| 18:18.16 | TheZanke | and i am using bagnon =/ |
| 18:18.40 | Cide | well, this'll work with the default ui, anyway |
| 18:19.21 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.30 | Cide | it may or may not work with bagnon |
| 18:19.36 | Cide | I wouldn't try it though |
| 18:19.45 | Cide | or rather, try it without the /cast Disenchant line first :P |
| 18:19.50 | DragonWin | *puf* all items gone |
| 18:20.01 | DragonWin | just like magic ;-) |
| 18:23.46 | Cide | if anyone's looking for a graphics card... |
| 18:23.48 | Cide | http://www.google.com/products?q=X1800XT+(512mb)+asus&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd&scoring=p |
| 18:24.02 | Cide | the top one appears to be mispriced ($139 vs ~$600) |
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| 18:24.41 | TheZanke | 02(Video controller 102) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (Processor: GeForce 8800 GTX), 768MB, 1680x1050x32, 60Hz, driver version: 6.14.11.5822 |
| 18:24.57 | TheZanke | ^.^ |
| 18:25.39 | Lunessa | Wow... Someone goofed. Too bad I'd have to buy a new motherboard to take advantage of that. |
| 18:25.40 | Cide | congratulations? :) |
| 18:25.53 | TheZanke | i did too |
| 18:26.13 | TheZanke | i spent $1,800 on upgrades |
| 18:26.18 | TheZanke | just to play wow.... |
| 18:26.19 | TheZanke | jk |
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| 18:32.08 | kergoth | i dont see a $139 at that link |
| 18:32.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:33.12 | art3mis | thats because you've got squinty eyes from the bright lights of the sun |
| 18:33.18 | art3mis | you've gone outside!!! |
| 18:33.20 | art3mis | traitor! |
| 18:33.23 | Cide | kergoth: paste the whole link |
| 18:33.35 | Cide | here's the direct link, anyway: http://www.google.com/products?q=X1800XT+(512mb)+asus&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd&scoring=p |
| 18:33.41 | kergoth | oh, silly xchat and its crappy link grabbing |
| 18:33.46 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 18:34.42 | kergoth | thats crazy |
| 18:36.31 | art3mis | i got my x1950XT 512 crossfire ready for 179 |
| 18:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'll have to check my motherboard when I get home, see if I can support the upgrade or not. |
| 18:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea what I have, Lunessa... I'm so memory-deficient about things like that, I have to check every time. |
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| 18:44.26 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: My machine is a 2-year old AMD 64 with only AGP for video. It's... slow compared to most machines. It's adequate for WoW, but I would :love: to upgrade it. |
| 18:45.09 | Lopeppeppy | I know that I can't put any more RAM onto my motherboard, it's topped off at 1g. So it's likely that I'd have to update my motherboard before I could get a better graphics card and more memory... blah, blah, blah. |
| 18:45.55 | DragonWin | and by upgrading your motherboard, your old gfx will no longer be compatible, so now you have to buy a new gfx as well ;-) |
| 18:46.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, I know that feeling. I had a nice Sony Viao, but I learned the hard way that Sony makes replacement pretty much your only upgrade path. |
| 18:48.17 | AnduinLothar | it's a laptop.. |
| 18:48.33 | AnduinLothar | replacement is almost always the only upgrade path other than ram |
| 18:48.37 | AnduinLothar | and cardas |
| 18:48.40 | AnduinLothar | cards* |
| 18:48.56 | Lunessa | Actually, My Viao was a desktop. :P |
| 18:49.35 | AnduinLothar | hmm didn't know they made desktop viaos |
| 18:49.43 | AnduinLothar | unless you mean it just sat on your desk.. |
| 18:50.17 | Lunessa | 2001/2002 - they did. This machine was released just prior to the release of XP. |
| 18:50.48 | Lunessa | It was a "video editing rig" - and had lots of power. Only to be eclipsed completely in about 3 months. |
| 18:51.47 | AnduinLothar | sounds like my tier 1 G5 |
| 18:52.12 | AnduinLothar | course that actually had upgrade possibilities just short of the motherboard/proc |
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| 18:55.26 | Lunessa | :nod: I'm using a G5 iMac at home ... got IM and watching DVDs, and surfing the net when my main machine is busy. It has no upgrade path either. |
| 18:56.29 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but that's an iMac.... the whole point is form factor which screams un-upgradable and you knew it before you bought it |
| 18:57.44 | AnduinLothar | Apple sells an upgradable line. They make the assumption that if you know how to upgrade a machine you'd want the 'power user' platform |
| 18:59.54 | Lunessa | AnduinLothar: Actually, the iMac was a gimme from work when it was being retired. After my lesson with the Viao, I went back to buying machines I can open up and fiddle with. But yeah, the imac is about form factor. |
| 19:00.24 | AnduinLothar | got what you paid for ;) |
| 19:00.43 | Lunessa | And honestly though, by the time I can usually afford "upgrades" replacement is a pretty attractive option anyway. ;) |
| 19:01.05 | AnduinLothar | yeah I'ma power user, my replacement cycle is about 3 yrs |
| 19:01.17 | Lunessa | Yeah, save me having to buy a TV and DVD player. :D |
| 19:01.40 | Lunessa | Same here, though when my finances were better, it was about 6 months. |
| 19:01.43 | AnduinLothar | wtb 30" cinima display |
| 19:02.21 | AnduinLothar | i would think about it if it were $1500 |
| 19:03.24 | Lunessa | hang on a sec... |
| 19:04.16 | Lunessa | http://www.theroundtableguild.com/Forums/tabid/1048/forumid/33/threadid/398/scope/posts/Default.aspx - here's a screenie or three of one in action. Guildee uses it. |
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| 19:07.09 | AnduinLothar | lol, the advertizing is funny: "Supports MULTI-WINDOW Applications" |
| 19:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Toodles, everyone. |
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| 19:07.54 | AnduinLothar | and they put a usb hub on it like apple, even tho the first revision didn't have one cause they claimed they didn't want more cables |
| 19:08.42 | AnduinLothar | their price IS better than apple's tho |
| 19:08.45 | Lunessa | More and more stuff is being crammed into monitors. USB hubs, extra speakers, etc. I approve of this trend. I want less clutter on my desk. |
| 19:09.05 | AnduinLothar | meh, i have monitor speakers they sound like crap in my experience |
| 19:09.08 | AnduinLothar | hub is ok |
| 19:09.15 | AnduinLothar | hate* not have |
| 19:11.24 | AnduinLothar | hmmm apple one is 1,599.00 student price.. |
| 19:11.52 | Lunessa | ... I get an educational discount. |
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| 19:12.46 | Lunessa | I think something like 1 box a year, might be a bit better of a deal on monitors, etc. |
| 19:13.00 | AnduinLothar | same thing as student |
| 19:13.13 | AnduinLothar | 1 ipod, 1 computer i think |
| 19:13.19 | AnduinLothar | not sure on other details |
| 19:14.01 | Lunessa | I just looked. 2 displays per year. |
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| 19:15.46 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.10 | AnduinLothar | yeah. job situation isn't agreeing |
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| 19:19.32 | Lunessa | I feel your pain. But, oh how I want one of those. |
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| 19:47.24 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=330876267&sid=1 - can't figure out if I want to laugh or cry. |
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| 19:53.15 | Punkie` | lol at post 5 |
| 19:53.32 | Cide- | eh |
| 19:53.34 | Cide- | I agree with him |
| 19:53.40 | Punkie` | im going to go squeeze all the totems into my 255 macro limit and order them from best to worst |
| 19:53.52 | Cide | Punkie`: yes you are, if you are doing arenas |
| 19:54.00 | Cide | it's a legitimate issue |
| 19:54.16 | Punkie` | tbh, if you have an addon called proximo or something that does the same |
| 19:54.32 | Punkie` | you can do the same thing by whipping a macro up quickly |
| 19:54.37 | Punkie` | for earth shock or kick |
| 19:54.50 | Punkie` | for when the healer is casting |
| 19:55.18 | Cide | um.. no? |
| 19:56.01 | Punkie` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.19 | Cide | except it only works on one target |
| 19:56.27 | Cide | and you have to specify it in your macro |
| 19:56.35 | Cide | the totem macro works on every single totem in the proximity |
| 19:56.42 | Cide | and you can just spam it |
| 19:56.52 | Punkie` | oh? |
| 19:56.53 | Cide | with your macro you have to identify that the caster is casting |
| 19:56.59 | Punkie` | i misunderstood, thats a bit silly |
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| 19:59.35 | Lunessa | As long as no one is in range who has a name that might be similar to the totem's name. |
| 19:59.49 | Lunessa | Like I said, I don't know if I should laugh, or cry. |
| 20:00.26 | ts|skrom_ | pets/totems get targeted first don't they? |
| 20:01.02 | Lunessa | *shrug* /target 'name' doesn't do exact matching. |
| 20:01.05 | ts|skrom_ | putting the casters name in teh totem name would be nice for damager meters too |
| 20:01.15 | Lunessa | It would. |
| 20:03.39 | ts|skrom_ | why are spell timers and enemy timers such a hot topic this week? |
| 20:04.43 | AnduinLothar | so... my fly points are borked |
| 20:04.53 | AnduinLothar | none of the nodes show, just the wires |
| 20:05.20 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 20:05.20 | AnduinLothar | anyone heard of such a thing? |
| 20:05.24 | Josh_Borke | fly points? |
| 20:05.41 | AnduinLothar | the taxi npc windows |
| 20:05.47 | Josh_Borke | oh |
| 20:06.03 | ts|skrom_ | usually referred to as flight paths ironically |
| 20:06.10 | Lunessa | ... I've seen that once AnduinLothar, but I nuked my cache and reloaded the game and all was well. |
| 20:06.15 | Josh_Borke | that's why i was confused |
| 20:06.32 | AnduinLothar | meh, we call um fly pts on this server |
| 20:06.42 | Josh_Borke | well you call them WRONG |
| 20:06.47 | Kaydeethree | oO; |
| 20:06.48 | ts|skrom_ | heh |
| 20:07.13 | AnduinLothar | cause the path is the actual line |
| 20:07.16 | AnduinLothar | or lines |
| 20:07.19 | Lunessa | ... fight, fight, fight! |
| 20:07.23 | AnduinLothar | point is where you board |
| 20:09.28 | Josh_Borke | ~tease AnduinLothar |
| 20:09.29 | purl | ACTION tickles AnduinLothar with a feather and makes AnduinLothar rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 20:09.51 | AnduinLothar | i dont think 'ing' goes after 'makes' |
| 20:10.15 | AnduinLothar | maybe after 'starts' |
| 20:10.42 | AnduinLothar | purl, l2grammar |
| 20:11.47 | ts|skrom_ | startsing? |
| 20:18.26 | AnduinLothar | no dork, AnduinLothar starts rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 20:19.06 | ts|skrom_ | 1015:09] AnduinLothar: maybe after 'starts'01 |
| 20:19.17 | Aella | If s/makes/starts/ |
| 20:19.26 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to "makes AnduinLothar rotflmaopimp-ing" which is impropper |
| 20:20.15 | ts|skrom_ | I'm pretty sure all arguments for improper grammar go out the window when you include thigns like rotflmaopimp |
| 20:20.31 | Aella | But what's the threshold? |
| 20:20.40 | AnduinLothar | nah, it's an acronym, not a black hole |
| 20:20.48 | Lunessa | chat-speak has not grammar rules to enforce. |
| 20:21.03 | ts|skrom_ | That being the case "makes" and "ing" are a-ok |
| 20:21.06 | Lunessa | or u r not keWL dewd. |
| 20:21.14 | ts|skrom_ | sad but true |
| 20:22.03 | ts|skrom_ | Lunessa Prat does have channel name highlighting |
| 20:22.17 | AnduinLothar | i dont even know what the pimp stands for |
| 20:22.23 | AnduinLothar | other than an actual word |
| 20:22.27 | ts|skrom_ | peeing in my pants I believe |
| 20:23.01 | AnduinLothar | how can it be 'my' in 3rd person... that whole phrase is broken |
| 20:23.29 | Aella | The acronym isn't, but the phrase is. |
| 20:23.49 | ts|skrom_ | rolling on the floor laughing my ass off peeing in my pants? |
| 20:24.01 | ts|skrom_ | doesn't seem to be inconsistent |
| 20:24.26 | AnduinLothar | and doesn't need an ing since it's on pee |
| 20:24.40 | Aella | That's fine. Saying this: "purl tickles AnduinLothar with a feather and makes AnduinLothar roll on the floor lauging my ass off peeing in my pants-ing" is ugly |
| 20:24.43 | ts|skrom_ | oh I see you mean in relation to the rest of purls phrase |
| 20:24.48 | ts|skrom_ | yeah i gotcha |
| 20:25.14 | ts|skrom_ | forest < trees for me today sadly |
| 20:25.14 | Aella | The pants-ing strikes again! |
| 20:25.28 | AnduinLothar | yeah it could just drop ing but it's still be wrong since the acronym has an ing in it |
| 20:25.40 | AnduinLothar | but it could pass |
| 20:26.02 | ts|skrom_ | well we could just never ~tease again and forget this ever happened |
| 20:26.10 | Aella | But it'll still be there... |
| 20:26.11 | AnduinLothar | or redo itt |
| 20:26.12 | Aella | Taunting us... |
| 20:26.21 | AnduinLothar | i forgot how to redefine those |
| 20:26.37 | ts|skrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.40 | ts|skrom_ | I think |
| 20:28.18 | ts|skrom_ | later all, time to go "emeril" on my grill... the lady and some friends are coming over tonight for dinner ^^ |
| 20:29.01 | deltron | word |
| 20:29.35 | AnduinLothar | purl, what is tease |
| 20:29.36 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, AnduinLothar |
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| 20:30.20 | Kaydeethree | ~tease |
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| 20:34.46 | Lunessa | ... Will that common/orcish thread just not die? |
| 20:34.56 | Josh_Borke | ~literal tease |
| 20:38.28 | deltron | where at Lunessa? |
| 20:38.41 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=330653412&sid=1 |
| 20:39.06 | Lunessa | ... curse you Cog - I swear you have a Gnomish Speed Hack... |
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| 20:46.28 | Josh_Borke | Tem: imo, you're dumb |
| 20:46.31 | Josh_Borke | :P |
| 20:48.13 | Maldivia | nice greeting :) |
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| 22:03.34 | sag_ich_nicht | who wants a harrickroll? :P |
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| 22:17.56 | art3mis | found a new channel to talk lots in sag? |
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| 22:50.47 | Guillotine | cladhaire: ping |
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| 22:58.52 | cladhaire | Guillotine: que pasa |
| 22:59.12 | Guillotine | cladhaire: on the PTR, WoWLua causes an error 132 when opened via /lua without any code |
| 22:59.20 | cladhaire | neat =) |
| 22:59.22 | Guillotine | just thought you might want to know |
| 22:59.31 | cladhaire | i'll test it out.. thanks! |
| 23:11.54 | cladhaire | Guillotine: Now I have to find out _whats_ crashing so I can report it to slouken :p |
| 23:12.03 | Guillotine | yup |
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| 23:41.16 | Elessdy | so i HAVE to replace my buff bars |
| 23:41.32 | Corrodias | i don't see how i can have room for them unless i disable my target of target of target display |
| 23:42.04 | Lunessa | Is it bad that every time I see a "make X change to fix my class" post, I want to say - "It's fine. L2P"? |
| 23:42.22 | Corrodias | perhaps. they may be legitimate concerns. |
| 23:43.29 | Lunessa | It's possible. But when I see something the suggests a core mechanics change, I get a little suspicious. Combo points apply to the rogue not the target? |
| 23:43.54 | Corrodias | that would be a Bad Change |
| 23:44.12 | Corrodias | that's part of the balance of the class |
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| 23:44.17 | Corrodias | *classes |
| 23:44.43 | Shirik | so this is the strangest internet connection ever |
| 23:44.51 | Shirik | I'm at my cousin's house, she has a cable modem |
| 23:44.54 | Shirik | but you have to dial in to connect |
| 23:45.12 | Shirik | it took me 10 minutes just to figure it out -_- and I had to use nmap too |
| 23:45.13 | Lunessa | Right. But then I saw something about changing the names of temts to be Character name's X totem, and I think... "not a bad idea." |
| 23:45.37 | Lunessa | *boggle* Dial into use a cable modem? |
| 23:45.42 | Kaydeethree | shirik; what the... |
| 23:45.46 | Shirik | I don't get it either >< |
| 23:45.54 | Shirik | here let me show you |
| 23:46.09 | Shirik | oh the screen went away :( |
| 23:46.16 | Lunessa | Thats sounds like 90's era satellite internet. |
| 23:46.23 | Shirik | but here I'll show you the page I went to to figure this out: |
| 23:46.30 | Shirik | "The GI modem is capable of automatically initiating a dial-in connection when browsing is started. However, this page may be used to manually dial or hang-up the telephone connection." |
| 23:46.48 | Shirik | so either I'm on some extremely high speed dialup that has amazing speed |
| 23:46.55 | Shirik | or I'm on cable that fore some reason required me to dial in |
| 23:47.03 | Kaydeethree | very, very oldschool cable modems only were one-way |
| 23:47.10 | Kaydeethree | had to use dialup to send data back to the net |
| 23:47.49 | Shirik | maybe that's it then :) |
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| 23:47.54 | Shirik | I don't think they have a digital cable service around here |
| 23:48.29 | Lunessa | But, that's like... '95 tech. Ancient history. |
| 23:48.41 | Kaydeethree | thus my "very, very oldschool" comment |
| 23:48.51 | Shirik | welcome to martins creek |
| 23:48.57 | Shirik | just about everything up here is old school :P |
| 23:49.07 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm, when did adds get added to Wowaceupdater? |
| 23:49.11 | Shirik | my grandparents still aren't connected to plumbing |
| 23:49.21 | Shirik | some truck fills the well every week or so |
| 23:49.26 | Lunessa | Wow. Moving to the stone age. |
| 23:49.30 | Shirik | it's depressing :( |
| 23:49.36 | Kaydeethree | Garoun|Loupana, with wau2. they've gotta pay for the server somehow |
| 23:49.38 | Shirik | but I have about 2 hours of happiness so I intend to make the most of it! |
| 23:49.50 | Garoun|Loupana | ok, just caught me off guard when I saw it |
| 23:51.06 | Thunder_Child | Kaydeethree, they havent hit wau2 yet though |
| 23:51.18 | Garoun|Loupana | that's also true :P I'm still on 1.9 |
| 23:55.13 | cladhaire | LightHeaded updated.. load messages are now hidden by default, we have a new command that lets you change the alpha of the background textures (letting you see through the LH frame) and new parsed comments |
| 23:55.24 | Shirik | oh fun |