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| 00:33.40 | Corrodias | the only thing i don't like about xloot is the way it looks |
| 00:34.03 | Corrodias | the names of the items are too low-contrast because the frames have a grey shine kind of background right under the names |
| 00:34.47 | bleeter | Guillotine: sweet, thx for the info... now, if only Wine's ALSA didn't suck so hard.... ;) |
| 00:34.49 | Xuerian | Corrodias: You can up the threshold of the highlight ("shine"), it's in appearance options. |
| 00:35.04 | Corrodias | gah, i searched all over that damn... |
| 00:35.15 | Guillotine | btw, I found an easier way to view all chat things |
| 00:35.33 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.55 | Guillotine | then just open the sound options |
| 00:36.04 | Corrodias | "highlight by quality"? |
| 00:36.21 | bleeter | Guillotine: I spose you're not noting this down in public somewhere (eg, wowwiki API foo). My gaming machine isn't near me right now, and I'd love to play with some of this stuff in a few hours time when I'm back near it again |
| 00:36.43 | bleeter | but I won't have access to this IRC session when I do get there |
| 00:36.45 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Yeah. If it's highlighting white items (which would cause the low readability), you can raise that to uncommon |
| 00:37.14 | Guillotine | bleeter: nope. I kind of doubt blizzard wants people playing around with it much, as there is *some* interaction with the servers that might screw them over. I'll paste it all in a pastey though if you'd like |
| 00:37.28 | Guillotine | just probably don't want a bunch of people that don't understand what they're doing playing with it |
| 00:37.47 | bleeter | Guillotine: if you're going to be on in for a few more hours (@ max, 2 hours), I'll just ping you in a different IRC client when I'm there |
| 00:38.02 | Guillotine | sure, that works |
| 00:38.02 | bleeter | Guillotine: just don't want to bore you with having to type it again lol |
| 00:38.21 | Guillotine | don't really need to type much. /script function IsVoiceChatEnabled() return true end pretty much replaces all the rest |
| 00:38.29 | bleeter | thx, just wanna play with it in Wine, see what works/doesn't |
| 00:38.44 | Guillotine | only thing you can really test right now is recording an audio clip and playing it back to yourself |
| 00:38.50 | bleeter | hot |
| 00:39.27 | Guillotine | but ya, you can set a different output device for normal WoW sound and for voice |
| 00:39.32 | Corrodias | just downloaded questsfu about an hour ago and it's all buggy :( |
| 00:40.16 | bleeter | Guillotine: are the recorded sounds saved in flat files on the machine? |
| 00:40.29 | Guillotine | bleeter: no. its really a thing to test your mic |
| 00:40.36 | Guillotine | you can only have 1 at a time |
| 00:40.37 | bleeter | ah, kk |
| 00:40.58 | Guillotine | records a 5 second clip (though you can change the length by calling the function yourself), then plays it back when you press a button |
| 00:41.29 | bleeter | mind you, I'm even more tempted now to go and just buy a Mac, rather than put up with this Wine shit |
| 00:41.51 | bleeter | though, I suspect the Royal Bank of Bleet (aka 'She Who Must Be Obeyed') may have different thoughts :/ |
| 00:41.54 | MentalPower | bleeter: ask me for the logs later |
| 00:42.02 | Kemayo | Corrodias: Download again, I fixed it. |
| 00:42.17 | bleeter | MentalPower: thx mate |
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| 00:45.24 | Corrodias | oh, cool |
| 00:45.38 | Corrodias | figured i should wait a little while, and apparently it has been long enough |
| 00:45.58 | Josh_Borke | hi |
| 00:47.08 | Corrodias | okay, i like xloot a LOT better with the highlighting turned off |
| 00:47.16 | Xuerian | :) |
| 00:47.30 | Xuerian | I should've set the default threshold to Uncommon. |
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| 01:03.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine |
| 01:03.13 | Guillotine | oh ya |
| 01:03.15 | Guillotine | was going to fix TTN |
| 01:03.18 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 01:03.22 | sag_ich_nicht | thank you |
| 01:03.27 | sag_ich_nicht | because i am going to bed now |
| 01:03.38 | sag_ich_nicht | just came home from the concert of the band of a friend of mine |
| 01:03.42 | Guillotine | TT* |
| 01:03.43 | Guillotine | not TTN |
| 01:04.12 | sag_ich_nicht | and thus take 3 times as long to type anything because i typo all the time and need to correct it |
| 01:04.17 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: gn8 |
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| 01:26.55 | dylanm | Is there a way to disable the Blizzard experience text that pops up after a kill? |
| 01:27.25 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure you can turn that option off |
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| 01:27.43 | dylanm | Really? Hmm I looked for a while... I don't mean the one in the chatframe, btw :) |
| 01:27.56 | Josh_Borke | oh, which then? the scrolling combat text? |
| 01:28.33 | dylanm | Yeah. I have it displayed in MSBT and I'd like to get rid of the floating Blizzard one. |
| 01:29.01 | bleetah | woohoo, it'd appear that 2.2 refuses to start in Wine on my system |
| 01:31.17 | Josh_Borke | dylanm: turn off the entire floating thing for blizzard |
| 01:31.36 | bleetah | 'Describe what you were doing when the crash occurred' -> Running WoW with strace(1) to find out why it won't load |
| 01:32.45 | bleetah | tho I prolly should use those wine dbg chans |
| 01:32.55 | bleetah | any other WoW Winers active atm? |
| 01:33.01 | dylanm | Josh_Borke: Heh I never have any of that on. |
| 01:33.36 | Wobin_ | bleetah: joking? =\ |
| 01:33.41 | Wobin_ | aiee =P |
| 01:33.45 | bleetah | Wobin_: wish I was |
| 01:44.55 | bleetah | Wobin_: it kinda looks like it's trying to dick around with wine's explorer.exe |
| 01:45.09 | bleetah | hmm, actually, I wonder if this is an issue with the launcher |
| 01:48.52 | bleetah | ok, so I threw away the 'imported' Config.wtf (from live), got the full screen thing happening (albeit very black), cursor turned to a caret... hang. |
| 01:49.06 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how to make a resizable horizontal gradient with css/html? |
| 01:49.17 | Josh_Borke | AnduinLothar: use ACE |
| 01:49.33 | AnduinLothar | um... ok |
| 01:49.39 | Josh_Borke | that'll do it for you i'm sure |
| 01:50.06 | Josh_Borke | seriously though, i don't touch HTML :-D |
| 01:52.05 | Cide | resizable horizontal gradient? |
| 01:52.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah like a horizontal gradient with an indetermined width |
| 01:53.19 | Cide | where indetermined = extends to the far right on the page? |
| 01:53.24 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:53.38 | AnduinLothar | or to the end of the resizable div |
| 01:53.40 | Cide | gradient from left to right or top to bottom? |
| 01:53.46 | AnduinLothar | left to right |
| 01:53.50 | AnduinLothar | top to bottom is easy |
| 01:53.58 | Cide | yeah, was hoping you'd say that |
| 01:54.44 | AnduinLothar | i cant think of any way to scale the gradient |
| 01:54.52 | AnduinLothar | maybe js |
| 01:55.10 | Cide | you could find the width of the page with js I'm sure |
| 01:55.19 | Cide | but it's going to be ugly (cross-browser compatibility ftl) |
| 01:55.24 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:56.03 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to streach bgs with css? |
| 01:56.12 | AnduinLothar | stretch |
| 01:56.14 | Cide | not really |
| 01:56.16 | Cide | only repeat |
| 01:56.20 | buu | Yes. |
| 01:56.26 | Cide | there is? |
| 01:56.57 | Cide | http://www.htmlite.com/faq022.php |
| 01:57.40 | AnduinLothar | awesome, thx |
| 01:58.53 | Wobin_ | bleetah: Oh noes they be taking your buckets? |
| 01:59.00 | AnduinLothar | now i can do a gradiated drop shadowed resizable header :) |
| 01:59.27 | AnduinLothar | curse me when it actually works QQ |
| 02:00.01 | AnduinLothar | i did make some cute little shadow squares |
| 02:00.16 | AnduinLothar | rounded edges, diagonal alpha gradient |
| 02:00.21 | AnduinLothar | they stack nicely |
| 02:01.14 | MentalPower | bleeter: buckets? |
| 02:01.24 | AnduinLothar | mmm and the div/header bg is gonna be using a png for alpha <3 |
| 02:02.04 | bleetah | MentalPower: oh, Vanishing Rogues can't be chased by pets any more (bucket #1), Wont' start in Wine (Bucket #2) |
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| 02:25.34 | bleetah | did we ever get to the bottom of why the CTMod zipfiles fail with some Zip programs? |
| 02:30.04 | Cide | doubt it |
| 02:31.14 | bleetah | heh, k |
| 02:31.15 | bleetah | bbs |
| 02:34.25 | MentalPower | lua> local index = 4; for index=1, 3 do end print(index) |
| 02:34.25 | cladbot | MentalPower: 4 |
| 02:34.41 | MentalPower | lua> local index = 4; for index=1, 3 do print(index) end print(index) |
| 02:34.42 | cladbot | MentalPower: 1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 02:34.53 | MentalPower | lua> local index = 7; for index=1, 3 do print(index) end print(index) |
| 02:34.53 | cladbot | MentalPower: 1, 2, 3, 7 |
| 02:34.59 | MentalPower | ok, nm |
| 02:35.25 | MentalPower | lua> for index=1, 3 do print(index) end print(index or "foo") |
| 02:35.25 | cladbot | MentalPower: 1, 2, 3, foo |
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| 02:46.10 | bleetah | Kaydeethree: ping |
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| 03:07.29 | Bayk | I'm trying ot make a button for an addon that makes you join a channel but when I output the text it goes ot /say instead of /join |
| 03:08.02 | Cide | um, what code are you using to join said channel? |
| 03:11.41 | bleetah | damn I hate booting into windows... update for windows, update for pidgin, update for AV, update for WoW, updates for FF, updates updates updates... gah |
| 03:13.04 | Cide | huh, I never update stuff |
| 03:13.26 | Cide | or it's done automatically (windows, FF, thunderbird) |
| 03:13.33 | Cide | wow once every few months |
| 03:13.36 | bleetah | ahhhh, so you're the keylogger distributer everyone's chasing! :P |
| 03:13.43 | bleetah | j/k |
| 03:13.45 | Cide | pretty much |
| 03:13.56 | bleetah | see, I knew everything was you're fault |
| 03:14.12 | bleetah | no one beleives me though, 'cept for you... so I guess that's something |
| 03:14.32 | Cide | yeah, you should probably kill yourself |
| 03:15.11 | bleetah | make you a deal |
| 03:15.21 | bleetah | if 2.2 goes live and still fails in Wine... I'll kill myself |
| 03:15.29 | bleetah | sound OK? |
| 03:15.58 | Cide | hmm, nah, just do it |
| 03:16.26 | bleetah | well, yeah, I've already lost both of my buckets. guess there's nothing else for it |
| 03:22.13 | bleetah | hmm, PTR realm selector says I have 2 toons on one of the realms, yet when I go to the char selection it shows only 1 |
| 03:22.42 | bleetah | of course, it's the crappier toon that's available :/ |
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| 03:25.58 | bleetah | ah, they've had some probs with char copies, reset the limit |
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| 03:32.35 | AnduinLothar | I win! http://72.211.209.199:82/~karl/blog/vers2/ |
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| 03:39.00 | Shirik | ack |
| 03:39.06 | Shirik | update? |
| 03:39.06 | Shirik | what update |
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| 03:56.54 | abug | lua> -nil |
| 03:56.54 | cladbot | abug: [string "return -nil"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 03:57.24 | Shirik | heh |
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| 03:57.36 | Shirik | that has some interesting consequences on certain compiles |
| 03:57.41 | abug | lua> "cheez".."-".."it" |
| 03:57.41 | cladbot | abug: cheez-it |
| 03:59.16 | abug | lua> lua> lua> |
| 03:59.16 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "lua> lua>"]:1: '=' expected near '>' |
| 04:00.45 | Shirik | I suggest you don't try to put cladhaire into an infinite loop lest you feel the wrath of the titans |
| 04:00.55 | Shirik | (a.k.a. Cairenn|afk & cladhaire) |
| 04:01.11 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 04:04.55 | Bayk | I'm trying ot make a button for an addon that makes you join a channel but when I output the text it goes ot /say instead of /join I'm setting the channel name to a varible and using outsay to output the varible |
| 04:06.05 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:06.25 | Shirik | rather than getting into a discussion and debating what your problem /could/ be, I think it's best you just show me your code |
| 04:10.31 | Guillotine | Bayk: don't just SendChatMessage("/join something") |
| 04:10.42 | Guillotine | use the join channel command |
| 04:10.46 | Shirik | yeah that's what I was guessing he did |
| 04:10.53 | Shirik | but I didn't want to get into that without seeing it |
| 04:11.02 | Guillotine | jumping to conclusions = the win |
| 04:11.45 | Guillotine | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_JoinChannelByName |
| 04:12.07 | Shirik | #api JoinChannelByName |
| 04:12.17 | Shirik | =( |
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| 04:18.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, spot the difference on the wowwiki :P |
| 04:28.43 | Shirik | wellanyway night all |
| 04:29.08 | Cairenn|afk | night Shirik |
| 05:04.57 | Mike-N-Go | lua> hi |
| 05:04.57 | cladbot | Mike-N-Go: nil |
| 05:05.53 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a limit to the amount of conditionals in a if/then statement? |
| 05:06.33 | Mike-N-Go | Currently, I have: if (chnl=="PARTY" or chnl=="RAID" or chnl=="SAY" or chnl=="SELF" or chnl=="AUTO" or chnl=="GUILD" chnl=="RW" or chnl=="RAID_WARNING") then ... end |
| 05:07.13 | Mike-N-Go | And I have the error: ')' expected near 'chnl' |
| 05:08.17 | Mike-N-Go | It works without the last 2 conditionals.. |
| 05:10.30 | bleetah | ''r chnl=="GUILD" chnl=="RW" or should be 'r chnl=="GUILD" or chnl=="RW" or' |
| 05:10.41 | Cide | you missed an or |
| 05:13.19 | Mike-N-Go | That could do it.. |
| 05:15.04 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the easy fix. |
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| 06:03.00 | Outlandheal | hey all, ive got a few .lua questions if anyoen can help me |
| 06:04.43 | Outlandheal | PlayGlueAmbience(GlueAmbienceTracks[strupper(race)]); |
| 06:04.50 | Outlandheal | lol sorry took me a little bit to find the script |
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| 06:05.19 | Outlandheal | anyways, is there a way to get rid of it? i cnat logon to my wow character because of it |
| 06:05.46 | Outlandheal | my character race and level is blank and that script comes up as a connection to the error |
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| 06:15.15 | MentalPower | why is that guys looking at the GlueXML? |
| 06:15.33 | MentalPower | and more importantly, why is it nor working for him |
| 06:15.41 | bleetah | hax |
| 06:15.41 | MentalPower | oh well, guess we'll never know |
| 06:15.52 | MentalPower | yeah, thats what I was thinking |
| 06:26.52 | Mike-N-Go | What is this PlayGlueAmbience? |
| 06:28.58 | Mike-N-Go | Complain here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=422E9476A27849B559542DE2D37F629E?topicId=108329548&sid=1 |
| 06:51.26 | abug | get your own session id though |
| 06:54.00 | bleetah | http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/14/star_wars_convention17_wideweb__470x264,0.jpg |
| 07:09.57 | Corrodias | yay, hit exalted with aldor and got my better shoulder enchantments. |
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| 08:19.52 | MentalPower | lua>function Foo() return function() return 1 end end print(Foo()) print(Foo()) print(Foo()) |
| 08:19.52 | cladbot | MentalPower: function: 0x808f040, function: 0x808f180, function: 0x808f220 |
| 08:20.01 | MentalPower | crud... |
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| 08:39.06 | abug | lua> function() function() function() function() function() function() function() end;end;end;end;end;end;end; |
| 08:39.06 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "function() function() function() function() function() function..."]:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 08:40.32 | abug | lua> "lua> 'lua> 1'" |
| 08:40.33 | cladbot | abug: lua> 'lua> 1' |
| 08:41.26 | abug | lua>lua> |
| 08:41.26 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "lua>"]:1: '=' expected near '>' |
| 08:41.35 | abug | lua > |
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| 08:44.32 | abug | lua> p = "do loadstring(p) end" loadstring(p) |
| 08:44.32 | cladbot | abug: |
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| 08:45.13 | abug | lua> p = "do loadstring(p)() end" loadstring(p)() |
| 08:45.13 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:216: bad argument #1 to 'loadstring' (string expected, got nil) |
| 08:46.06 | abug | scoping scoping scoping |
| 08:46.25 | abug | lua> print getglobal |
| 08:46.25 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "print getglobal"]:1: '=' expected near 'getglobal' |
| 08:46.31 | abug | lua> print(getglobal) |
| 08:46.32 | cladbot | abug: function: 0x80a5f00 |
| 08:47.00 | abug | lua> p = "do loadstring(getglobal("p"))() end" loadstring(p)() |
| 08:47.01 | cladbot | abug: [string "p = "do loadstring(getglobal("p"))() end" l..."]:1: attempt to call global 'p' (a string value) |
| 08:48.28 | abug | lua> setglobal("p", "loadstring(getglobal("p"))()") loadstring(p)() |
| 08:48.29 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "setglobal("p", "loadstring(getglobal("p"))()") loadstring(p)()"]:1: ')' expected near 'p' |
| 08:48.48 | abug | lua> setglobal("p", "loadstring(getglobal('p'))()") loadstring(p)() |
| 08:48.48 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:216: bad argument #1 to 'loadstring' (string expected, got nil) |
| 08:49.56 | abug | lua> loadstring("\n -nil") |
| 08:49.56 | cladbot | abug: nil, [string "..."]:2: unexpected symbol near '-', |
| 08:50.17 | abug | lua> loadstring("+nil -nil") |
| 08:50.18 | cladbot | abug: nil, [string "+nil -nil"]:1: unexpected symbol near '+', |
| 08:50.30 | abug | lua> loadstring("nil-") |
| 08:50.30 | cladbot | abug: nil, [string "nil-"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil', |
| 08:50.45 | abug | lua> getmetatable(_G) |
| 08:50.46 | cladbot | abug: nil, |
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| 08:52.40 | abug | lua> --nil |
| 08:52.40 | cladbot | abug: |
| 08:52.51 | abug | o rly |
| 08:52.59 | abug | lua> ---nil |
| 08:53.00 | cladbot | abug: |
| 08:53.14 | abug | lua nil--nil |
| 08:53.19 | abug | lua> nil--nil |
| 08:53.20 | cladbot | abug: nil |
| 08:53.26 | abug | lua> --nil--nil |
| 08:53.26 | cladbot | abug: |
| 08:53.45 | abug | lua> --nil--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------nil |
| 08:53.45 | cladbot | abug: |
| 08:53.50 | Punkie` | thats really annoying |
| 08:54.17 | abug | yeah it's all blank |
| 08:54.25 | abug | quite annoying |
| 08:54.31 | Punkie` | it's not rocket surgery |
| 08:54.46 | Bayk | hey how do I get this to join a channel instead of outputing channel name http://wowi.pastey.net/70792 |
| 08:55.04 | abug | #api |
| 08:55.27 | abug | what the heck is outSay? |
| 08:55.36 | abug | outSAY |
| 08:55.44 | MentalPower | abug: -- starts comments in Lua |
| 08:55.54 | abug | good point |
| 08:56.05 | MentalPower | ~pil |
| 08:56.06 | purl | hmm... pil is Programming in Lua. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in hardcover and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 08:56.16 | MentalPower | read it, its quite good and helpful |
| 08:56.17 | Bayk | I know what my problem is now |
| 08:56.18 | zenzelezz | lua> -(-nil)-(-nil) |
| 08:56.18 | cladbot | zenzelezz: [string "return -(-nil)-(-nil)"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 08:56.48 | abug | I've read it, but at 5 am it doesn't help |
| 09:00.04 | Bayk | how would i go about sending some text to /join I was looking at sendchatmessage but I don't see way to do it that way |
| 09:00.42 | MentalPower | Bayk: you want to join a channel? |
| 09:00.50 | MentalPower | JoinChannelByName() |
| 09:00.55 | Bayk | ahh ok |
| 09:00.59 | MentalPower | !api JoinChannelByName |
| 09:01.01 | ThraeBot | MentalPower: type, name = JoinChannelByName("channelName" [,"password" [,frameID]]) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_JoinChannelByName |
| 09:02.40 | Bayk | thanks |
| 09:08.02 | Bayk | can someone point be in the right direction for parsing the text from a chat channel |
| 09:08.50 | Thunder_Child | like, "http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Communication"? |
| 09:09.20 | Thunder_Child | hmm..or even more so http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Parse_Event_Messages |
| 09:11.43 | Bayk | thanks |
| 09:11.55 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 09:14.21 | Bayk | one last question then I have alot of work to go do on my addon where should I start reading ot find info on how to put an icon on mini map to open/close addon |
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| 10:38.39 | Fin | ThraeBot: hello |
| 10:38.43 | Fin | ThraeBot: help? |
| 10:50.26 | Mike-N-Go | When did we get all these bots? |
| 10:51.00 | Mike-N-Go | First, it was purl, then clide, now ThraeBot and cladbot ? |
| 10:52.51 | Fin | [12:49:32] < Mike-N-Go> When did we get all these bots? |
| 10:52.57 | Fin | about 1992 I think |
| 10:54.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | what was that command to logout with \n |
| 10:54.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | /script SendChatMessage("\n") or something like that? |
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| 12:15.52 | Fin | !api SendChatMessage |
| 12:15.53 | ThraeBot | Fin: SendChatMessage("msg" [, "chatType" [, "language" ] [, "channel" ]]); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage |
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| 13:12.55 | Lunessa | bad sag_ich_nicht - Use a larger file next time. |
| 13:16.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa it already hung |
| 13:16.53 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 13:16.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i win :P |
| 13:17.01 | Lunessa | :P |
| 13:21.40 | Lunessa | Man... People want WoW to do everything for them. |
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| 13:23.58 | Wobin | Can it make me a sunday roast? |
| 13:32.02 | Lunessa | And do the dishes? |
| 13:32.07 | Lunessa | And the laundry? |
| 13:32.20 | Lunessa | And put gas in the car? |
| 13:32.26 | Lunessa | And go to work for me? |
| 13:36.45 | nevcairiel | i think WWS even crashes with a file which includes more then 12 hours, so how long was that 233 mb file ? :P |
| 13:43.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: oh i think it goes back to dec 2006 or something |
| 13:49.12 | zenzelezz | having a parser "hang" on a 200+ MB file can simply mean it's single-threaded and still working |
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| 14:01.33 | Thelyna | given how much WWS does to data, and the fact it's a web-distributed java application ... yeah, it's probably going to take a while to chew through a 233MB file |
| 14:02.15 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin this WoWwiki article is baised and just plain WRONG. |
| 14:03.11 | zenzelezz | sag: tell Kirk |
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| 14:04.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Feel like expanding on your accusation? |
| 14:05.11 | Lunessa | ... biased and wrong? |
| 14:10.22 | sag_ich_nicht | GOD DAMN IT RUSSIA: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/14/russia.treaty.ap/index.html |
| 14:11.48 | Kirkburn|afk | sag_ich_nicht, do you want to respond to my question? |
| 14:11.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Kirkburn|afk what? |
| 14:12.07 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 14:12.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Somewhat annoying if someone shouts out that something on their website is "biased and just plaing WRONG" |
| 14:12.16 | sag_ich_nicht | well :P |
| 14:12.25 | sag_ich_nicht | the article basicially says "lern2heal, nub" |
| 14:12.30 | sag_ich_nicht | imho |
| 14:12.31 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 14:12.38 | Industrial | ~botmail for Tekkub wtb tekGossipSkip and tekJunkSeller on wowi. I think they are good enough to be put out there :> |
| 14:12.39 | Fin | sag_ich_nicht: you are going to correct the paladin page, right? I mean, instead of just complaining about an incorrect wiki page, you're going to update it too yeah? :) |
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| 14:12.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: i would but i have a bad hangover :P |
| 14:12.59 | sag_ich_nicht | it would probably come out really bad |
| 14:13.00 | sag_ich_nicht | >_> |
| 14:13.17 | Fin | you can explain it on IRC but not a web page? :) |
| 14:13.33 | Kirkburn|afk | What section are you talking about? |
| 14:13.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Most of the page talks about the class mechanics |
| 14:15.33 | sag_ich_nicht | "The Paladin's main role in PvE focuses primarily on healing." that's just wrong, paladins can easily be a maintank :) |
| 14:16.39 | JoshBorke | it seems to me it just hasn't been updated to reflect their new roles |
| 14:17.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Large sections have undergone a complete rewrite recently |
| 14:17.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Is it really the case that pallys are not primarily healers? |
| 14:17.57 | Kirkburn|afk | *pallies |
| 14:18.07 | JoshBorke | they can also be viable tanks |
| 14:18.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Not the question I asked |
| 14:18.14 | JoshBorke | much more so than in the old world |
| 14:18.21 | JoshBorke | it depends on the guild then |
| 14:18.37 | JoshBorke | but i agree with sag_ich_nicht that the line should also mention that they are now being used as MTs |
| 14:18.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Then add it :) |
| 14:18.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Mikk is already editing it :P |
| 14:19.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, for goodness sake, you had to post that in both channels? |
| 14:19.49 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:19.53 | JoshBorke | i agree with kirkie |
| 14:19.55 | Lunessa | My guild has 36 paladins. 33 are retribution, 1 is Protection, and 2 are Holy. I think any guide which lays out paladins as primary healers is slightly skewed. :P |
| 14:20.10 | JoshBorke | so many retn00bs :-P |
| 14:20.31 | Kirkburn|afk | No, it says they are primarILY healers |
| 14:20.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:19] <Kirkburn|afk> Oh, for goodness sake, you had to post that in both channels? <--sure. different people on different channels. i am a multi tasking capable human. are you too? :P |
| 14:20.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Primary =/= primarily |
| 14:20.51 | [dRaCo] | 33 times zero damage stays zero damage. :> |
| 14:20.54 | JoshBorke | sag_ich_nicht: i'm not |
| 14:21.45 | Lunessa | Kirkburn|afk: I was only making a joke. I'm not disparaging wowwiki at all - mad props to the site. :) |
| 14:22.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Lunessa, thanks :) |
| 14:22.23 | Lunessa | I really should get off my ass and register... |
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| 14:22.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Please :) |
| 14:22.29 | Cairenn|afk | did you know that the concept that humans are capable of multi-tasking is actually a fallacy? |
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| 14:23.07 | [dRaCo] | yeah, burst for pvp... but I can think of 7 classes dealing more damage in a raid than a paladin :> |
| 14:23.08 | Kirkburn|afk | sag_ich_nicht, reason I'm annoyed is that you posted that the wiki was biased and wrong on two channels - yet did nothing to help, nor notify anyone to do with WoWWiki. |
| 14:23.15 | Lunessa | Humans do poorly at multiple-concurrent tasks. |
| 14:23.51 | Lunessa | That's why we invented computers. |
| 14:24.10 | JoshBorke | i thought they were invented for porn? |
| 14:24.48 | Cairenn|afk | it's true - we don't *actually* multi-task - when we are "apparently" multi-tasking, we actually switch our attention from one task to another so extremely quickly it *appears* that we are doing them simultaneously, but in fact we do move our attention off the first task to work on the second then go back to the first or on to the third, etc |
| 14:25.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: okay so i increase all party damage done by 2% and the crit of the raid(not the party) by 3%... oh and blessings. :P |
| 14:25.07 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 14:25.08 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 14:25.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Details, schmetials |
| 14:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:23] <Kirkburn|afk> sag_ich_nicht, reason I'm annoyed is that you posted that the wiki was biased and wrong on two channels - yet did nothing to help, nor notify anyone to do with WoWWiki. <--oh noes my troll has been exposed D: |
| 14:25.25 | JoshBorke | sag_ich_nicht: you're still a ret-noob |
| 14:25.32 | Kirkburn|afk | >_> |
| 14:25.49 | Cairenn|afk | bleh, so much for that attempt to derail the unpleasantness :p |
| 14:25.56 | Kirkburn|afk | rawr |
| 14:27.01 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
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| 14:30.02 | Lunessa | Someone bring me coffee and crullers? I'm stuck at work... |
| 14:31.08 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll just try and get Superman on the phone ... |
| 14:31.47 | Lunessa | Imagine the bank he could make doing deliveries? |
| 14:32.01 | Cairenn|afk | should be easy enough, he's forever changing in phone booths after all |
| 14:32.16 | [dRaCo] | sag_ich_nicht: my healerdin can cast blessing, too |
| 14:33.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: i am talking 25 man here |
| 14:33.35 | Lunessa | I mean, he can carry multiple tons, and super-sonic speeds.... And doesn't need a runway. Customs Schmstoms! He can delivery anything, anywhere, in little to no time. |
| 14:33.39 | sag_ich_nicht | so you will have multiple paladins there anyway |
| 14:33.39 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 14:36.48 | [dRaCo] | sag_ich_nicht: makes retri palas even more unnecessary, since the other palas can buff the blessing |
| 14:37.17 | [dRaCo] | blessings, even |
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| 14:38.32 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: you know it's 1x blessing class/paladin and that 3% more crit to the whole raid are a fuckton of damage? go theorycraft it :P |
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| 14:39.34 | [dRaCo] | sure, 1 blessing/pala... |
| 14:40.29 | Lunessa | ... tires hard to imagine an interface for WoW that doesn't have tooltips. |
| 14:41.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Eww |
| 14:41.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Tooltips >< |
| 14:41.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:39] <[dRaCo]> sure, 1 blessing/pala... <--yes. you can only have one blessing per paladin on you |
| 14:41.38 | sag_ich_nicht | you should kind of know |
| 14:41.39 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 14:41.44 | [dRaCo] | I know. |
| 14:42.09 | [dRaCo] | 3% crit are great, gotta admit that... but the damage of every raid retri pala I've seen so far was... let's not talk about it. |
| 14:42.38 | sag_ich_nicht | your dps argument is invalid since direct DPS from a ret paladin+indirect damage because of the +crit and +damage=same or more damage than other dps classes |
| 14:42.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 14:43.06 | sag_ich_nicht | the problem with ret imho is not 25 raid viability, it's 10 and 5 man |
| 14:43.20 | [dRaCo] | You can't count that damage for yourself... every (useful) raid class buffs others, too. |
| 14:43.31 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: okay so what does a rogue do? |
| 14:43.39 | sag_ich_nicht | poisons |
| 14:44.00 | [dRaCo] | aight, got me. |
| 14:44.02 | [dRaCo] | almost every |
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| 14:46.56 | sag_ich_nicht | nice. go try a non-selfdamage pushing poison on gruul. next case, hunters. that's 120 AP, for one group. that's nice for the melee group, but doesn't push the raid damage nearly as much as 3% crit for everyone on everything that does damage. |
| 14:47.17 | sag_ich_nicht | otoh, a hunter has limited CC. :P |
| 14:47.33 | dnmcgoy | I'm not whether this channel is newbie friendly, however, I'm looking for some very basic help. If this isn't the place for it, I apologize and I'll keep looking. |
| 14:47.40 | dnmcgoy | *not sure |
| 14:47.41 | sag_ich_nicht | no, you're right here. |
| 14:48.43 | Lunessa | You're in the right place. |
| 14:49.18 | sag_ich_nicht | http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5960/cheatersinarenabj3.jpg http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/5739/wowscrnshot071407030532xj0.jpg wow. |
| 14:49.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Newbie friendly? Quick! Hide the toture equipment! |
| 14:49.41 | Kirkburn|afk | And the torture equipment! |
| 14:50.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Meeeeeow! |
| 14:50.41 | Kirkburn|afk | (dnmcgoy, btw, ask away :P) |
| 14:50.51 | dnmcgoy | basically my problem is that I'm just trying to get blizzards hello_world tutorial to work. I add the 3 files, (.toc, .xml, and .lua), it shows that the addon has been added, when I look under the addons that my character is using, however, no hello world message pops up, and no changes seem to be made. The xml specifies a .lua function that should do message("Hello World"); which I assumes should pop up a message as soon as I enter the gameworld. |
| 14:51.31 | sag_ich_nicht | why the hell would you need a xml file for a hello world application? |
| 14:51.34 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 14:51.43 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a tutorial |
| 14:51.49 | Lunessa | Check your interface options, you probably have Lua errors off. |
| 14:52.09 | [dRaCo] | hey, we already agreed on rogues not bringing any buffs... hunters can skill into BM, Ferocious Inspiration is great |
| 14:52.17 | Lunessa | the message() function in the tutorial is the same thing that option turns off. |
| 14:52.20 | Kirkburn|afk | (obligatory plug time: you can also find lots of extra UI help on WoWWiki - http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization ) |
| 14:52.43 | Lunessa | ... the tutorial is slightly out of date, |
| 14:52.51 | Lunessa | but good none-the-less. |
| 14:53.30 | [dRaCo] | and 3% crits for everybody are a great buff, I totally agree. but I personally dont think it's worth taking a ddler with you whose damage cant compete with others. |
| 14:53.35 | dnmcgoy | yeah, once I get something running i should be fine.. where is that option? (Interface options-> advanced)? |
| 14:54.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: thus the calc direct damage + indirect damage |
| 14:54.07 | sag_ich_nicht | but nvm :O |
| 14:54.12 | Cairenn|afk | okay, I'm out for most of the day guys - have fun :) |
| 14:54.15 | sag_ich_nicht | bye |
| 14:54.22 | Lunessa | dnmcgoy: I believe so, yes. |
| 14:55.30 | [dRaCo] | then you've gotta calc indirect for every class, making rogues totally superflous (which they arent, since they benefit the most from most buffs) and prolly leading to raids of warlocks and shadow priests |
| 14:56.31 | Lunessa | Most every calculation that favors adding more of one class to a raid has a corollary of subtracting another. :P |
| 14:57.31 | Kirkburn|afk | See ya Cairenn |
| 14:57.44 | [dRaCo] | yeah. |
| 14:58.21 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:55] <[dRaCo]> then you've gotta calc indirect for every class, making rogues totally superflous (which they arent, since they benefit the most from most buffs) and prolly leading to raids of warlocks and shadow priests <--which leads to the conclusion: nerf shadow damage! |
| 14:59.16 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: Nein! Shadow Pew Pew is uber! |
| 14:59.23 | [dRaCo] | yay! |
| 14:59.31 | [dRaCo] | that's gonna be fun |
| 14:59.35 | [dRaCo] | even more warlock qq |
| 14:59.55 | dnmcgoy | sweet.. that did it. so here's the obligatory question, if message is disabled unless you're in what I'd call a "debugging mode", is there a list of functions that do what they're supposed to even when lua errors are off? |
| 15:00.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:59] <Lunessa> sag_ich_nicht: Nein! Shadow Pew Pew is uber! <--die! |
| 15:00.26 | sag_ich_nicht | what. |
| 15:00.38 | Lunessa | Neyt tovarisch! I will melt your face. |
| 15:00.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalestab Lunessa |
| 15:00.52 | purl | ACTION stabs Lunessa with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 15:01.04 | Lunessa | ~whaleparry sag_ich_nicht |
| 15:01.04 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry sag_ich_nicht's attacks. |
| 15:02.18 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Lunessa |
| 15:02.18 | purl | ACTION crits Lunessa with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Lunessa dies |
| 15:02.35 | Lunessa | ZOMG --- You god-mode me. |
| 15:03.22 | sag_ich_nicht | durrr, i'm a paladin. |
| 15:03.48 | Fin | ~swordfishripose sag_ich_nicht |
| 15:04.17 | Fin | (annoyedly) |
| 15:04.23 | Lunessa | I'm a priest. We're natural enemies, competing for a limited habitat. My name is Ingo Montoya. You killed my father; preapre to die. |
| 15:05.16 | sag_ich_nicht | lol princess bride. |
| 15:06.14 | sag_ich_nicht | you spelled his name wrong tho |
| 15:06.24 | dnmcgoy | I appreciate the help getting that running... now off to figure out what is doable without having lua debug mode enabled. Just as an opinion, what's the best place to go ot figure out the limitations of this tool? I assume Blizzard's drawn some lines in the sand in terms of what you can and can't do.. is there a listing of that? |
| 15:06.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa: it's Inigo Montoya |
| 15:08.08 | Fin | ooh |
| 15:09.02 | [dRaCo] | with chocolate chips? |
| 15:09.54 | sag_ich_nicht | i think someone needs to explain taint and secure functions to dnmcgoy |
| 15:10.13 | Fin | dnmcgoy: go look at the stickies in the UI forums |
| 15:10.26 | Fin | forums.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 15:11.14 | Fin | they're stickied cos they're good, and stuff |
| 15:13.15 | dnmcgoy | cool.. reading down through the stickies now.. I had read the first couple, but hadn't seen the one you're talking about *reading away*.. sorry if I'm asking questions that are basically "RTFM" |
| 15:14.55 | sag_ich_nicht | RTFM |
| 15:15.09 | sag_ich_nicht | JFGI |
| 15:15.11 | Fin | sorry, I'll try and be more helpful |
| 15:15.39 | Fin | look for stuff about secure frames, security, and major changes since v2.0 |
| 15:18.13 | Fin | actually I have to say, there's nothing there that would really answer your question |
| 15:18.57 | Fin | OK, I'll try default answer #2: have a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 15:19.00 | Fin | :) |
| 15:19.09 | Fin | this might be more what you're looking for: http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_Frames_Overview |
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| 15:20.23 | dnmcgoy | :-/ that's a pity.. still reading though.. there's gotta be something (although I wouldn't imagine finding it on Blizzards forum).. yes that does help alot (and got pulled up win I JFGI) |
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| 15:21.15 | Fin | good man |
| 15:21.25 | Fin | dnmcgoy++ |
| 15:23.16 | sag_ich_nicht | dnmcgoy tell us what you want to do |
| 15:23.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and we can tell you if you can do it :P |
| 15:26.30 | dnmcgoy | I'm really just more getting my feet wet and trying new things, I'm a UI programmer for lexmark (so I kinda do similar things for a real job). So having something new under my belt is useful and lua is pretty industry wide. So I'm just trying to come up with ideas in my head of what some of the more "nifty" things that I do, but before i come up with a list of what I'd like to do, it'd be nice to know the boundaries so that I don't go down rabbit h |
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| 15:28.04 | dnmcgoy | for instance if there's an equivalent of sourceforge for wow mods, that might be useful too |
| 15:28.14 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't go down rabbit h <--you got cut of here. |
| 15:28.28 | Nom- | wowace is the closest thing to a 'sourceforge' for wow mods |
| 15:28.29 | dnmcgoy | rabbit holes. that's was the end of that line |
| 15:28.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ah, good :O |
| 15:28.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom- true |
| 15:28.55 | Nom- | wowinterface has a nice collection of mods that are and are not on wowace |
| 15:29.03 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 15:29.04 | Nom- | as do curse/worldofwar |
| 15:29.25 | sag_ich_nicht | wow-en.curse-gaming.com ui.worldofwar.net www.wowinterface.com www.wowace.com |
| 15:29.29 | sag_ich_nicht | basics :P |
| 15:29.39 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 15:29.43 | dnmcgoy | cool, I've been looking in the right places |
| 15:30.20 | sag_ich_nicht | dnmcgoy: basicially the boundaries are no logic to cast spells in combat, no movement at all, most things have be based on a hardware event |
| 15:30.27 | sag_ich_nicht | (yeah now flame me for being inaccurate) |
| 15:30.35 | Nom- | The unfortunate thing with WoW mods is that there's so much you could do, but Blizzard has been forced to lock it down due to the abuse of a minority |
| 15:31.20 | Nom- | I've got so many great ideas for WoW mods, but they all rely on being able to connect to some kind of web service |
| 15:31.27 | Nom- | In real time, that is |
| 15:31.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: there is a trick for that |
| 15:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | if you have a really fast PC |
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| 15:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | encode the information in a picture, change the screenshot format to TGA and spam screenshots, then have a script that reads out the TGA |
| 15:32.36 | dnmcgoy | one idea I had was a ui connection to a teamspeak server that instantaneously joins you to that a teamspeak server when you join the group.. everyone would have to have the mod of course, so it wouldn't be used much, but its a proof of concept |
| 15:32.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Offenderserv is running Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) on an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200+ at 2.60 GHz with 1177/2048MB (57.47%) RAM free. |
| 15:32.46 | sag_ich_nicht | It has an nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX running at 1680x1050x32bpp 60Hz, Sound Blaster Audigy, and 424.44 GB of 596.17 GB available on 1 drive(s). |
| 15:32.55 | sag_ich_nicht | but even this system isn't capable of handling this lagfree :P |
| 15:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | also from where the hell is that RAM usage coming from? |
| 15:33.20 | Nom- | dnmcgoy: Voice comms are being added into WoW natively in the next patch |
| 15:33.26 | Nom- | dnmcgoy: And that's currently not possible either |
| 15:33.30 | zenzelezz | dnmcgoy: you have no way to communicate with the "outside world" |
| 15:33.34 | zenzelezz | addons are sandboxed |
| 15:33.56 | sag_ich_nicht | variable files are saved on a clean close of WoW and kept in ram until then |
| 15:34.07 | sag_ich_nicht | (or until you log to a different character) |
| 15:34.15 | zenzelezz | or just reload the UI |
| 15:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 15:34.55 | Nom- | But yeah... in game voice comms, guild banks |
| 15:35.05 | Nom- | two features which are desperately needed, i beleive |
| 15:35.16 | Nom- | about time, :) |
| 15:35.33 | dnmcgoy | next patch, really? |
| 15:35.39 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't say voice comm is essential, but it is nice |
| 15:35.47 | zenzelezz | guild banks on the other hand should've been here long ago |
| 15:35.51 | dnmcgoy | I can't play the game without ventrillo |
| 15:36.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:35] <dnmcgoy> next patch, really? <--PTR is already up, but the voicecomm isn't enabled yet |
| 15:36.12 | sag_ich_nicht | (the API for it is already available tho) |
| 15:36.23 | Kaso | How does the Voice comms work, does it all route via the wow server, if so doesnt that use a lot of bandwidth? |
| 15:36.34 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:35] <Nom-> about time, :) <--you are only allowed to say this about the blessing changes in 2.2. |
| 15:36.43 | dnmcgoy | Kaso: you could always turn it off, I'd suppose |
| 15:36.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: nobody knows yet. |
| 15:37.04 | Kaso | well people should find out! |
| 15:37.10 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB proper multicast architecture on the internet. |
| 15:37.11 | Kaso | chop chop, move it move it! |
| 15:38.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: you are not Anne Robinson. please don't say chop chop. it scares me. >_> |
| 15:38.37 | zenzelezz | how do you know he's not? |
| 15:38.58 | Kaso | sag_ich_nicht, you are the weakest link, good bye. |
| 15:39.37 | Lunessa | Ouch. |
| 15:39.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: so do you have a gigantic mouth laser that is in reality a teleportation beam yet? |
| 15:39.45 | Nom- | sag_ich_nicht: I know...about time on the blessings too :P |
| 15:39.50 | Nom- | the number of reagents I go through on a raid! |
| 15:40.15 | Nom- | One day at Karazhan ... i could go through 200 Reagents if we wipe a few times |
| 15:40.24 | Kaso | Nope, nor am i actually a robot. |
| 15:40.34 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 15:40.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Anndroid! |
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| 15:42.22 | dnmcgoy | you can get custom graphics from outside wow though, right? I thought I had seen a couple mods that added things that were blatantly not in a WoW style. |
| 15:42.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes u can |
| 15:43.15 | zenzelezz | that you can |
| 15:43.27 | zenzelezz | but you have to have them in the right folders when you load WoW |
| 15:43.29 | Lunessa | You can load tga or blp images. |
| 15:43.37 | zenzelezz | if you copy/save them there after WoW started it won't "see" them |
| 15:43.55 | Kaso | if you are talking about UI art, thats perfectly fine, however replacing textures and models in the 3D world isnt allowed. |
| 15:43.55 | dnmcgoy | sounds like the gist of it is then that you can't write to a file descriptor.. that alone would probably sandbox the api |
| 15:44.05 | Lunessa | And alpha masks/layers/channels are very very important. :) |
| 15:44.58 | zenzelezz | I wish I could figure how to do transparency right in PSP7... all I can manage is full or none x.x |
| 15:45.21 | sag_ich_nicht | step one: stop using PSP7 |
| 15:45.25 | sag_ich_nicht | step two: install photoshop. |
| 15:45.31 | sag_ich_nicht | step three: ? |
| 15:45.34 | zenzelezz | if I knew how to use Photoshop I would |
| 15:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | step four: profit! |
| 15:45.39 | dnmcgoy | hmm.. I loves the photoshop |
| 15:45.41 | dnmcgoy | profit! |
| 15:45.43 | dnmcgoy | dang it |
| 15:45.48 | dnmcgoy | beat me to it |
| 15:46.37 | Lunessa | Install The GIMP. |
| 15:46.41 | Lunessa | FREE! |
| 15:46.45 | sag_ich_nicht | also SHIT! |
| 15:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (no, not really, i know. but i don't like it. >_>) |
| 15:47.20 | dnmcgoy | eh, GIMP is pretty solid, its just a little harder to use (IMO) than photosho |
| 15:47.21 | dnmcgoy | p |
| 15:47.22 | Lunessa | Works just fine for hacking a few images for WoW. Beats laying out $700 for Photoshop. |
| 15:48.05 | Punkie` | yes, because everyone actually pays for software |
| 15:48.40 | dnmcgoy | if you're wanting to be legit, you can actually pick up an older copy of photoshop for 100 or less |
| 15:49.29 | Lunessa | I actually own PhotoShop 5.5 - paid for legit and all. I've had no call to upgrade, though Photoshop CS was purchased for my work machines. :) |
| 15:49.31 | dnmcgoy | and the only thing in newer versions really is some tools that make professional stuff easier, but isn't really required for your daily run of the mill stuff |
| 15:50.12 | Lunessa | But I tried The GIMP, and it's not bad. It does stuff pretty solidly and if you can do photoshop, you can do the gimp. |
| 15:50.21 | dnmcgoy | agreed |
| 15:53.15 | dnmcgoy | here's another idea I've been batting around.. not sure of its usefulness, but feel free to tell me if its even possible. Often I lose track of which keys i've hotkeyed to what. So what about a keyboard layout spell bar at the bottom which you can drag spells to. Since a keyboard would be a large graphic one possiblity is to have it zoom in and out when you move your mouse over it (or try to drag something onto a key). |
| 15:53.38 | Fin | interestin |
| 15:53.39 | dnmcgoy | Sort of like when you mouse over icons on a mac |
| 15:53.42 | Fin | like to see it in practise |
| 15:55.47 | dnmcgoy | at the very least you could put something like that in another frame.. its just that hotkeys in WoW are one of my pet peeves.. if you want to edit what everything is mapped to, you're navigating down this list of stuff, its not intuitive |
| 15:55.50 | sag_ich_nicht | dnmcgoy: i had that idea long ago, except for keybindings in general |
| 15:55.58 | sag_ich_nicht | but i could never be bothered to do it |
| 15:56.17 | sag_ich_nicht | dnmcgoy: try out betterkeybindings tho |
| 15:57.00 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.cosmosui.org/files/addons/BetterKeyBinding.zip |
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| 15:58.44 | sag_ich_nicht | wooo, new trillian astra build |
| 15:58.57 | Fin | I personally am a big fan of MyKeyBindings2 |
| 16:02.39 | dnmcgoy | yeah, both of those are a litte better, but from the sounds of it I might try what I'm thinking of |
| 16:02.49 | Fin | good |
| 16:03.03 | dnmcgoy | cause it does sound possible at this point |
| 16:03.12 | sag_ich_nicht | it should be |
| 16:03.14 | cog|book | The fact that the PTR gave me a free respec is not necessarily an indication that I will get one when it goes live, right? |
| 16:03.50 | Lunessa | cog|book: That seems a safe assumption. |
| 16:03.54 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|book which class? |
| 16:04.02 | cog|book | warrior |
| 16:04.17 | sag_ich_nicht | wouldn't know why you'd get a free respec or did i miss something in the patchnotes? >.> |
| 16:04.22 | Kaso | doesnt the ptr always reset talents |
| 16:04.40 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht & Kaso, those are what I figured |
| 16:05.16 | dnmcgoy | thanks for all your help guys, I'll probably be back later, you guys have been really cool and helpful. |
| 16:06.37 | Fin | you've been pretty cool yourself |
| 16:06.48 | Fin | that sounded a bit gay |
| 16:07.26 | cogwheel | Fin: I understood what you meant :P |
| 16:07.40 | sag_ich_nicht | geeze |
| 16:07.47 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm looking at the changelog of galciv2 again |
| 16:07.50 | sag_ich_nicht | and stand in awe once again |
| 16:07.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i wish blizzard was this active and responsive |
| 16:08.15 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: Slouken is :P |
| 16:08.37 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: that's nice. too bad i'm EU :P |
| 16:08.45 | sag_ich_nicht | (wtb combined forums) |
| 16:08.59 | Kaso | sag_ich_nicht, GMs/CMs in eu are just a sham to stop us complaining |
| 16:09.03 | cogwheel | If you ever want to post a suggestion, send me a PM on wowi and i'll add it to my suggestions thread :) |
| 16:09.18 | Kaso | i love it when people post bugs and stuff on EU forums, like they'll ever be read |
| 16:09.19 | cogwheel | (as long as it's UI related, anyway) |
| 16:09.48 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: clad already posted one for me, but it's probably going to get majorly missunderstood(probably already got by 99% of the people reading it): http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=115043218&postId=1147431686&sid=1#0 |
| 16:11.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and thanks for the offer :) |
| 16:11.05 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: FYI: I've already got a suggestion for a generic /sequence command :) |
| 16:11.33 | cogwheel | and I know slouken looks from time to time, so it's probably just a matter of developer investment |
| 16:11.44 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: that's nice. now combine it with that taint so it allows /click. ;) |
| 16:11.57 | sag_ich_nicht | (else it would obviously allow macro logic and spreading) |
| 16:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.galciv2.com/index.aspx?aid=154562&c=1 <--seriously look at this. each. single. patch. for galciv2 looks like this or even a lot better. >_< |
| 16:12.51 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: Is there really anything you can do with a chain of click macros that you couldn't do with a really long single macro? |
| 16:13.25 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: yes. /sequence /click 1, /click 2, then have a /sequence in both of the clicked buttons as well |
| 16:13.36 | cogwheel | ah |
| 16:13.42 | sag_ich_nicht | allowing parallel execution |
| 16:14.15 | cogwheel | but that's really no different than a sequence where each ability is interspersed... |
| 16:14.17 | sag_ich_nicht | which is why it would have to halt if you click a macro that has /click or /sequence in it as well(actually, /castsequence should be enough) |
| 16:15.05 | sag_ich_nicht | s/click//click/ |
| 16:15.22 | sag_ich_nicht | (okay how do i escape / to purl? :P) |
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| 16:16.00 | cogwheel | test / test |
| 16:16.11 | cogwheel | s/\/// |
| 16:16.18 | cogwheel | guess not... |
| 16:16.27 | Fin | s%/%//% |
| 16:17.08 | Fin | although my mate who programs perl for a living hates me for that, he says s#/#//# is the way to go |
| 16:17.24 | Fin | hashes are for comments tho |
| 16:17.29 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: i want this so i can have a macro that does /sequence cast Judgement, click BUTTONHERE and then be able to drag/drop the current active seal to that button |
| 16:17.30 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 16:17.30 | Fin | that is all |
| 16:18.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 16:18.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | level 40, any grinding suggestions? |
| 16:18.41 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: think of it this way.... Sequence 1 s1-1, s1-2, s1-3 Sequence 2 s2-1, s2-2 Control sequence: /click s1, /click s2 Equivalent single sequence: s1-1, s2-1, s1-2, s2-2, s1-3, s2-1, s1-1, s2-2, s1-2, s2-1, s1-3, s2-2 |
| 16:18.58 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 16:19.40 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: quest |
| 16:20.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't much feel like questing |
| 16:20.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm in a grinding mood for some reason |
| 16:20.13 | Nom- | lol |
| 16:20.18 | cogwheel | so given an arbitrary macro length (which we have via /click chaining & 'macrotext' attributes) I don't really see any need for adding an extra taint layer |
| 16:20.24 | Nom- | grind on quests |
| 16:20.42 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm okay, logic error on my side. it would prevent endless loops tho. :P |
| 16:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | where? |
| 16:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | you can actually get WoW to slow down to halt if you chain enough macros into a endless loop >.> |
| 16:22.02 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: I have no pity for people who wind up in endless loops :P |
| 16:22.47 | sag_ich_nicht | (before it can even throw the C endless loop error) |
| 16:22.53 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:23.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i only did it to test if it was doable, and i was right XD |
| 16:24.04 | Lunessa | Is it schizoid paranoia or just the existential blues? |
| 16:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa: what. |
| 16:25.07 | sag_ich_nicht | what are you reffering to? |
| 16:25.11 | sag_ich_nicht | -f |
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| 16:25.17 | Lunessa | Sorry... It's Saturday, I'm bored at work, and quoting song lyrics. |
| 16:25.44 | sag_ich_nicht | ah. |
| 16:27.07 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 16:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i want to read technical details like this(quoting from a galciv2 changelog): |
| 16:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | + FIX: Optimized new batch renderer so that ship instances of the same type will share the same vertex and index buffers. This will save memory over the previous implementation where each instance had its own vert and index buffers. |
| 16:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | in the WoW patchnotes :P |
| 16:27.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | ship instances O_o |
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| 16:29.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's a ship instance |
| 16:29.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies: please read the line above |
| 16:29.44 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:29.46 | Lunessa | Each ship. |
| 16:29.57 | sag_ich_nicht | that's not from a WoW related changelog :P |
| 16:30.01 | Lunessa | galciv's interface made the game confusing to me. |
| 16:30.21 | sag_ich_nicht | never played galciv, only galciv2 |
| 16:30.52 | Lunessa | It's one of the few games where I spent more time in the manual than playing the game; and I'm a die hard Civ player. |
| 16:31.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh |
| 16:31.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i missed that line |
| 16:31.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought that was IN the wow patchnotes |
| 16:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw "in the wow patch notes" below it |
| 16:31.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and didn't read the line above it, and was confused |
| 16:32.31 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:30] <Lunessa> It's one of the few games where I spent more time in the manual than playing the game; and I'm a die hard Civ player. <--you should try galciv2, it's really good |
| 16:32.39 | sag_ich_nicht | especially if you patch it all up to the latest version |
| 16:32.43 | sag_ich_nicht | tons of changes |
| 16:33.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:31] <Mr_Rabies2> and didn't read the line above it, and was confused <--i figured :P |
| 16:33.03 | Garoun|Loupana | You ready for them to screw up druids again Rabies ;) |
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| 16:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | what do you mean, again? |
| 16:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik! |
| 16:33.31 | Garoun|Loupana | Referring to the patch note about Furor/Enrage no longer putting us in combat |
| 16:33.31 | sag_ich_nicht | code more! |
| 16:33.32 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: nah, between WoW and CiV IV I don't have time for any more games. :Pp |
| 16:33.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | when were we ever unscrewed up :P |
| 16:33.39 | Shirik | rawr |
| 16:33.46 | sag_ich_nicht | and help me find that stupid code in GEM that makes TTN not work with it! |
| 16:33.47 | Garoun|Loupana | the last time they tried that... it had us completely messed up :) |
| 16:33.51 | Shirik | I'm coding a lot, you just don't see it |
| 16:34.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: commit more to the SVN! |
| 16:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:34.08 | Shirik | I tried once |
| 16:34.13 | Shirik | it took too long so I gave up |
| 16:34.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 16:34.21 | sag_ich_nicht | goddamnit |
| 16:34.38 | Shirik | I'll commit when I have access to a high speed connection |
| 16:34.51 | sag_ich_nicht | why don't you already?: P |
| 16:34.52 | sag_ich_nicht | *:P |
| 16:35.05 | Shirik | because I'm about 1000 miles from my house atm? |
| 16:35.11 | Garoun|Loupana | if I remember correctly, we started by losing rage immediately going into bear, then it was giving us no rage, and then it caused us to get aggro just by targeting something and shifting ;) |
| 16:35.12 | sag_ich_nicht | just go leech some wLAN >.> |
| 16:35.17 | Shirik | I tried |
| 16:35.21 | Shirik | I'm just barely out of range |
| 16:35.27 | Shirik | still working on that one though |
| 16:35.53 | sag_ich_nicht | get an antenna >.> |
| 16:36.09 | Shirik | I really don't have money to be spending |
| 16:36.55 | Shirik | confused >.> |
| 16:37.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 16:37.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | did some dummy bump it? |
| 16:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | or is it recently timestamped |
| 16:38.27 | Shirik | recent, otherwise it would be filed elsewhere |
| 16:38.36 | Shirik | I love our app system, I designed it :) |
| 16:38.38 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 16:38.45 | Lunessa | :chuckle: Floating Combat Text of awesomeness. Caw. It'll eat your crackers. (ckknight) |
| 16:39.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's it called? :p |
| 16:39.45 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:39.48 | Shirik | the app system? |
| 16:40.03 | Lunessa | Parrot - sorry. |
| 16:40.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, ckknight's fct |
| 16:40.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:40.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice |
| 16:40.08 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love ckknight's stuff |
| 16:40.32 | sag_ich_nicht | just go build your own: wavelenght in meters=speed of light in meter per second/frequency in hertz |
| 16:40.40 | sag_ich_nicht | (@shirik) |
| 16:40.40 | Lunessa | CowTip's note is funny too. |
| 16:40.47 | sag_ich_nicht | *length |
| 16:40.52 | sag_ich_nicht | then just use 1/4 of the wavelength and you have the size of your antenna :P |
| 16:41.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ck, anduinlothar, and Gazmik are among my favorite addon authors |
| 16:41.11 | Lunessa | CowTip - Tooltip of awesomeness. Moo. It'll graze your pasture. (ckknight) |
| 16:41.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | Pitbull's too |
| 16:41.38 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 16:41.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: you can also use 1/2 or 5/8 of the wavelength for the size of the antenna :P |
| 16:42.48 | sag_ich_nicht | then use 1/4 of the wavelenght + 1 meter for the length of the cable(it should be a multiple of that number.) |
| 16:42.50 | Shirik | F = 1/n sqrt(omega/L) where n is an element of counting numbers |
| 16:43.01 | Shirik | I know this math |
| 16:43.06 | Shirik | you don't need to explain it to me |
| 16:43.19 | Shirik | that doesn't address the problem that I don't have any time as it is, so I'm not about to be messing with this |
| 16:43.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: pff :P |
| 16:44.50 | sag_ich_nicht | you could just make one from a coathanger |
| 16:44.56 | sag_ich_nicht | they aren't that sensitive :P |
| 16:45.07 | Lunessa | In other words... hold your damned horses, he'll commit to SVN when he gets home. |
| 16:46.35 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:47.24 | Fin | LADIES AND GENNULMEN: we prrreeeeesent: TROLLOFF2K7! |
| 16:47.50 | Shirik | I see enough of that on my realm boards |
| 16:48.02 | Shirik | there's a weekly thread "vote for your favorite troll" |
| 16:48.14 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 16:48.24 | Shirik | it's very strictly handled |
| 16:48.28 | Lunessa | The competition where EVERYONE loses. |
| 16:48.29 | Shirik | first there's a nomination period |
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| 16:48.34 | Shirik | and you can nominate anyone |
| 16:48.40 | Shirik | then they all start with a set number of points |
| 16:48.51 | Shirik | then the voting starts. You vote for two people: one you like and one you don't |
| 16:49.00 | Shirik | the person who you don't like loses two points, the person you like gains one |
| 16:49.13 | Shirik | when you hit zero, you're out. Last troll standing is the "winner" |
| 16:49.41 | Fin | THIS YEAR - a SpECiAl AnNoUnCeMeNt - yes! back from retirement for one year ONLY: .... SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK! |
| 16:49.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:49.55 | Shirik | they don't even know me, I intentionally avoid that forum |
| 16:50.25 | Shirik | it's as bad as general |
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| 17:04.55 | Lunessa | If you want to quest/raid/play in peace - never, ever, ever post an AddOn under your character names. :D |
| 17:05.28 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:05.39 | Shirik | even if I didn't, my guild would be all over me still so |
| 17:05.51 | Shirik | I even put my real name in my addons >< |
| 17:06.08 | Lunessa | Back in the day, Niami - who runs EQTraders used to play EQ as Niami. She had to stop because people wouldn't stop pestering her about the site, or information from the site ... |
| 17:06.29 | haste | that's back in the day |
| 17:07.19 | Fin | I'm not sure I liked that day |
| 17:07.29 | Lunessa | When I played EQ, I posted a few UI Mods for it to EQInterface.. and suddenly that character got a lot more /tells. Fortunately not as many as to make me consider retiring... |
| 17:07.31 | Fin | I got really drunk |
| 17:08.27 | zenzelezz | I got really drunk once... hardly touched alcohol since |
| 17:09.27 | zenzelezz | nor before, for that matter |
| 17:10.04 | Cide | TS had a lot of issues with that.. I was smart enough not to name my character 'Cide' I guess.. since we transferred we both have different names |
| 17:10.28 | zenzelezz | transferred where? |
| 17:10.34 | Cide | alleria -> doomhammer |
| 17:12.10 | Lunessa | I mean, imagine this: Patch Day - you've released a moderately popular AddOn. You log in to check your Arena Points and check to see if all your code is working, maybe get in an instance... |
| 17:12.35 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 17:13.27 | Lunessa | you get tells "OMG RU patching? NEED FIX. KANT play w/e! Kthxbai" |
| 17:13.43 | Lunessa | *shudder* |
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| 17:15.19 | theSmiler | is there a command that can find the name of a party member when given the members index number? |
| 17:15.52 | theSmiler | party, group, whatever |
| 17:16.01 | zenzelezz | UnitName("party3") |
| 17:16.01 | Cide | sure |
| 17:16.04 | Cide | www.wowwiki.com |
| 17:16.23 | zenzelezz | Cide is right though, it's right there on the API list |
| 17:16.37 | theSmiler | not in the party section... |
| 17:16.49 | theSmiler | thanks though |
| 17:16.50 | zenzelezz | Unit functions |
| 17:16.55 | Cide | the function is not directly related to party members. |
| 17:18.44 | theSmiler | hmm... so all the targetting functions are blocked now? |
| 17:19.12 | zenzelezz | have been for some time |
| 17:19.22 | theSmiler | i'm new to UI scripting |
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| 17:19.44 | theSmiler | as you can probably tell |
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| 17:24.18 | Shirik | yes, they are |
| 17:24.21 | Shirik | very much so |
| 17:24.25 | Shirik | (/late) |
| 17:25.15 | Lunessa | theSmiler: For like 7 months. |
| 17:25.18 | theSmiler | hmm... has anyone ever attempted searching the code in WoW for these functions, and figured out how the blocked ones work? |
| 17:26.19 | zenzelezz | don't try to bypass the security, if you succeed you'll only have more limits imposed |
| 17:26.19 | clad|away | we know quite well how they work |
| 17:26.20 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:26.26 | clad|away | its not a mystery |
| 17:26.32 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:26.41 | theSmiler | heh |
| 17:26.56 | theSmiler | well that's some interesting feedback... |
| 17:27.06 | Shirik | and if you want to try signing your addon, go ahead. It should only take you about 5 thousand years if you do a brute-force attack |
| 17:27.25 | Shirik | (no exaggeration, it could be more actually, that's an estimate) |
| 17:27.45 | theSmiler | oh my god why are you all so mean? |
| 17:27.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:28.04 | zenzelezz | because the reason we have limits now is because people did things Blizzard didn't like |
| 17:28.04 | Shirik | don't try to break through security, and we won't be mad |
| 17:28.20 | theSmiler | yeah, zen, i figured |
| 17:28.28 | Shirik | now, if you want to go ahead and cause your addon to target people, it's very possible with secure templates |
| 17:28.38 | Shirik | though I can't say it will be easy, especially for someone new to scripting |
| 17:28.42 | clad|away | we're not mean |
| 17:28.46 | clad|away | but someone comes in here once a month |
| 17:28.56 | clad|away | and wants to do somethign that they're not supposed to be doing, and there is never a good reason to do it. |
| 17:28.59 | Shirik | I am |
| 17:29.08 | clad|away | true, Shirik is |
| 17:29.27 | Shirik | =) |
| 17:29.34 | theSmiler | clad|away: auto targeting for a priest, based on health percentages |
| 17:29.39 | clad|away | nope |
| 17:29.41 | clad|away | not allowed |
| 17:29.42 | clad|away | no way to do it |
| 17:29.44 | clad|away | we won't help you |
| 17:29.47 | clad|away | and you have no good reason to do it |
| 17:29.48 | clad|away | =) |
| 17:29.59 | clad|away | not mean, just facts |
| 17:30.13 | Shirik | addons can no longer make combat decisions for the user, that is intentional |
| 17:30.24 | Shirik | blizzard wants the player to play, not the code |
| 17:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Read: Decursive, LazyTank, others |
| 17:30.39 | theSmiler | so why add a scripting language at all? |
| 17:30.47 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 17:31.13 | zenzelezz | have you *seen* the amount of addons that do all sorts of things? |
| 17:31.13 | Shirik | addons are a lot more than bots... |
| 17:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ truths |
| 17:31.13 | Shirik | they just don't make decisions |
| 17:31.23 | Shirik | RDX, for example, makes acting upon your decisions far easier, and helps you reach those decisions |
| 17:31.31 | Shirik | but in the end, it is the user that makes all those decisions |
| 17:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That was easy |
| 17:32.28 | Shirik | you're mean on the forums though |
| 17:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to see the voice API |
| 17:32.52 | Shirik | I wanted to say cogwheel is but he wasn't here so I couldn't tab complete |
| 17:33.04 | Shirik | so I got lazy :P |
| 17:33.18 | Lunessa | I'm mean everywhere. |
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| 17:34.48 | Shirik | "Anders v. Thanatog Douglas Anders of Bellefontaine, Ohio, files suit against Thanatog, a warlock from Goldshire, Elwynn Forest, Azeroth, Bloodhoof Server. The suit alleges that "the defendant did knowingly and willfully, without lawful authority, aggro about 30 goblins in the Deadmines, preventing plaintiff from finishing the instance and retrieving the Cape of the Brotherhood, causing mental anguish and loss of wages |
| 17:34.50 | Shirik | hm, that got cut off |
| 17:34.58 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60891#post60891 post 2 |
| 17:36.56 | Lunessa | ... lawl? |
| 17:37.45 | Shirik | you know what, it ust hit me |
| 17:37.51 | Shirik | but that theSmiler guy was really arrogant |
| 17:37.59 | Shirik | and I was holding back against him, I shouldn't have |
| 17:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I think he got the idea |
| 17:39.08 | foxlit | Dammit, pallies are on to my Cyclone-Starfire tactics :/ |
| 17:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | http://xkcd.com/c287.html <--rofl |
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| 17:51.09 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:56.28 | clad|away | !vs us stormrage sagart us stormrage baileys |
| 17:56.30 | ThraeBot | clad|away: Sagart vs Baileys! Two 70 priests square off!; Baileys +80 HP; Baileys +139 SpellDmg&Healing; Sagart +15 RAP; Sagart +1.6% dodge; Sagart +40 spell crit rating; Sagart +10 nature resist; Baileys +29 resilience; Baileys +2.61% spell hit; Sagart +1 AP; Baileys +54 frost dmg; Baileys +130 shadow dmg; Sagart +1200 Mana; Sagart +16 mana regen; Sagart +1629 Armour; Sagart +12 mp5; Sagart wins |
| 17:56.30 | ThraeBot | s by 6%! |
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| 17:58.08 | [dRaCo] | wut? |
| 17:58.53 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yes, he was. Like - breaking the security measures 'cause auto-targeting/auto-spell selection for priests is too important for mere plebes to understand. |
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| 18:09.45 | foxlit | Meh, http://xkcd.com/c287.html is easy |
| 18:10.36 | Cide | I don't think that's the point :P |
| 18:10.44 | Lunessa | ... WoWI is selling me pr0n! - That ad banner! |
| 18:10.50 | foxlit | It probably isn't :) |
| 18:11.05 | Lunessa | SinglesNet... hawt. |
| 18:11.26 | Lunessa | It's a joke, I need the entertainment. |
| 18:12.16 | Cide | try it out! |
| 18:18.46 | sag_ich_nicht | damint |
| 18:18.48 | sag_ich_nicht | *damnit |
| 18:18.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i would have wanted to be mean to that guy earlier too D: |
| 18:19.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 18:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | how does that duell code work in ThraeBot? |
| 18:20.08 | foxlit | Number-to-number stats compare? |
| 18:20.26 | sag_ich_nicht | lame! |
| 18:20.31 | sag_ich_nicht | /r/eq. full combat simulation! |
| 18:20.33 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 18:20.38 | sag_ich_nicht | remove those / |
| 18:20.40 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 18:20.44 | foxlit | "Warlock wins!" |
| 18:20.47 | sag_ich_nicht | stupid habbit >_> |
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| 18:39.27 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone able to explain this inconsistant behaviour to me(make sure you read the whole thread): http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=296681078 |
| 18:45.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen cogwheel |
| 18:45.54 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2h 23m 52s ago, saying: 'sag_ich_nicht: I have no pity for people who wind up in endless loops :P'. |
| 18:48.03 | foxlit | sag: removed too much of the URL |
| 18:48.35 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit |
| 18:48.46 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 18:48.50 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit no i didn't |
| 18:48.51 | sag_ich_nicht | works fine |
| 18:49.02 | sag_ich_nicht | you probably never were at the eu forums |
| 18:49.10 | foxlit | Only if you already visited the english forums and have the cookies |
| 18:49.12 | sag_ich_nicht | just press the damn button on the welcome message |
| 18:49.14 | foxlit | No, they clear on browser restart |
| 18:49.19 | sag_ich_nicht | pfff |
| 18:49.29 | foxlit | quit chopping sid off urls! |
| 18:49.39 | sag_ich_nicht | no! |
| 18:49.40 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=296681078&sid=1 |
| 18:49.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:50.06 | foxlit | Paladin issue? Check. |
| 18:50.13 | foxlit | Solution: done to nerf paladins. |
| 18:50.35 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 18:51.21 | foxlit | Did I missumarize the thread? :) |
| 18:51.40 | sag_ich_nicht | just read it ffs |
| 18:51.50 | foxlit | cba, paladins are boring |
| 18:54.55 | foxlit | Anyway, logic |
| 18:55.09 | foxlit | SoC procs of melee attacks. SoC doesn't proc from CS. CS is not a melee attack according to CoS. |
| 18:55.14 | foxlit | s/CoS/SoC/ |
| 18:56.19 | foxlit | Whether or not this was intended, I simply don't care |
| 18:57.01 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:00.32 | Corrodias | argh, i can't believe i failed the shartuul event again |
| 19:00.40 | Corrodias | i thought i had that last guy figured out |
| 19:01.32 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 19:01.50 | Corrodias | if i switch to shadow after an immolate, he does his high damage attack, and of course i can't switch to the aspect of ice because the aspect change is on CD. |
| 19:04.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | does anyone have a list of good weapons while leveling up for rogues? specifically mace or sword rogues? |
| 19:04.36 | Corrodias | maybe if i could do it more than once every four days, i could learn something from my experience |
| 19:04.46 | Tain | Whatever blues you find near your level. There's plenty on the AH. |
| 19:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | this server's awful for early level AH blues, but a list of what to look for specifically would be great if anyone knows of any |
| 19:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a ton for druids out there |
| 19:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm using 2x Wirt's Third leg atm |
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| 19:12.33 | sag_ich_nicht | hi there Iriel :) |
| 19:25.04 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone able to explain this inconsistant behaviour to me(make sure you read the whole thread): http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=296681078&sid=1 |
| 19:25.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | Hole tread.. dahm |
| 19:29.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | 2 reasons |
| 19:29.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | 1 its is broken |
| 19:30.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | 2 its doesnt stack up the holy dmg's |
| 19:31.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyway does anyone know how to parse the content of the 'Saved Raid Info Window'. if looked it up in blizz code and i cant find the window name anywhere itsj sut shown / hidden |
| 19:31.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are some good combat parsing addons? |
| 19:32.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | damagemeters are okay, but i want all the info recap gives without using some hacked together fan version of it |
| 19:32.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | heh |
| 19:33.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm trying combatstats again but i remember it being less than reliable |
| 19:36.06 | foxlit | What's wrong with that version of Recap again? |
| 19:36.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 19:36.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't like using hacked together fan versions when there's other options |
| 19:37.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally they're either resource hogs from being passed around and bug fixed without being properly optimized, or not reliable |
| 19:37.50 | foxlit | Is the version of recap you're using either of those things? |
| 19:37.57 | foxlit | s/either/any/ |
| 19:38.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not using any version of recap at the moment |
| 19:38.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the last fan version i used was both of those things, i dunno if it's any better now |
| 19:38.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | but fan hacks are things i try to avoid when there's other options |
| 19:38.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm asking what other options are |
| 19:39.23 | foxlit | "I want Recap, but not Recap" is what I'm hearing :) |
| 19:39.41 | Lunessa | SW_Stats, Recap, and any number of other "damage meters" are pretty up to date. |
| 19:39.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | LoL i fooung sonething funny in global strings :P |
| 19:39.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | PLAYTIME_TIRED = "You have more than 3 hours of online time. You will receive 1/2 money and XP during this period. Your rest state will reset in %d hours of offline time. Please go rest. "; |
| 19:40.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | or even worse |
| 19:40.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | PLAYTIME_UNHEALTHY = "You have more than 5 hours of online time. You will not be able to gain loot, XP, or complete quests. Your rest state will reset in %d hours of offline time. Please log out to get rest and exercise."; |
| 19:40.04 | foxlit | China strings, been there for ages |
| 19:40.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes addons that used to be useful no longer are when being updated by random people |
| 19:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why this is a US channel |
| 19:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And not a japanese channel |
| 19:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 19:40.13 | Lunessa | Hah.. Left over from beta. |
| 19:40.30 | clad|away | not left over from beta |
| 19:40.38 | clad|away | china requires the game regulate playtime. |
| 19:40.41 | clad|away | nothing new/special |
| 19:40.49 | clad|away | there's an icon on theplayframe as well |
| 19:40.52 | Lunessa | No, not the bits from the original Rest implementation? |
| 19:40.59 | clad|away | no |
| 19:41.00 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 19:41.10 | foxlit | Question is, what's it doing in the english client? |
| 19:41.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially when they go through multiple hands of people just fixing them and not bothering to optimize code |
| 19:41.17 | clad|away | globalstrings are in all clients |
| 19:41.21 | clad|away | and they can run the enUS language pack |
| 19:41.25 | clad|away | client region == client locale |
| 19:41.30 | clad|away | ~= |
| 19:41.31 | clad|away | rather |
| 19:42.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol would be a good debuf to get ppl thier socail life back online :P |
| 19:42.33 | foxlit | So you're saying that a zhZH client can run with an english localization? |
| 19:42.44 | foxlit | Thought that was an ELP-exclusive thing |
| 19:44.00 | zenzelezz | do the playtime restrictions apply to people living in China but playing on US servers also? |
| 19:44.00 | clad|away | the eu client can run enUS |
| 19:44.13 | clad|away | zenzelezz: peopel living in china play on china servers |
| 19:44.20 | clad|away | there's one ISP in china |
| 19:44.22 | clad|away | and its all restricted. |
| 19:44.26 | clad|away | afaik |
| 19:44.27 | zenzelezz | that bad? |
| 19:44.45 | foxlit | Then how does the gold farming industry work? |
| 19:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | they use the US client |
| 19:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | afaik |
| 19:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | They type english characters |
| 19:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I would know... they've taunted me before :( |
| 19:45.19 | clad|away | dunno |
| 19:45.19 | clad|away | heh |
| 19:45.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes they have secret chars on our fav server els they never get the gold to the right server P |
| 19:45.31 | foxlit | You're missing the point |
| 19:45.39 | clad|away | plus those are jobs |
| 19:45.39 | foxlit | [21:44] <clad|away> there's one ISP in china |
| 19:45.39 | foxlit | [21:44] <clad|away> and its all restricted. |
| 19:45.42 | clad|away | not recreation |
| 19:45.45 | clad|away | i'm sure that helps |
| 19:45.47 | clad|away | *shrug* |
| 19:46.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's required to be restricted through the client |
| 19:46.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know if the ISP has any way to tell WoW traffic from any other web traffic |
| 19:46.23 | foxlit | ports. |
| 19:46.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 19:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 374... 2? |
| 19:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I think |
| 19:46.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | not reliable at all |
| 19:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 19:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | As all clients use the same port |
| 19:46.50 | foxlit | Reliable enough. |
| 19:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 19:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, you COULD do some networking magic |
| 19:47.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's other things that use those ports |
| 19:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's DOABLE |
| 19:47.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure other blizzard games do, but i'm not sure |
| 19:47.14 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: And I'm sure that the government of china cares. |
| 19:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | All other blizzard games use 6112 |
| 19:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the industry is also pretty underground |
| 19:47.55 | foxlit | But really, if you can farm gold on US/EU realms from within china, people must be able to connect to those realms somehow |
| 19:48.01 | Bayk | what is wrong with this function? http://wowi.pastey.net/70821 |
| 19:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | chances are they're running through proxies and tunneling through different ports |
| 19:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 19:48.30 | foxlit | "then" |
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| 19:50.28 | Bayk | still getting an error |
| 19:50.46 | foxlit | Assignment operator when you're performing a compare |
| 19:50.56 | foxlit | a = 1 vs a == 1 |
| 19:51.10 | Bayk | ahh thanks so much that fixed it |
| 19:51.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | two things that gold farming companies have shown in the past is a disregard for following the rules and desperation to keep business running |
| 19:51.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure getting around the law is nothing |
| 19:51.51 | Lunessa | Milk the cash cow as long as you can... |
| 19:52.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | getting around the law in china is all about knowing and bribing all the right people |
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| 19:54.02 | clad|away | !vs us stormrage sagart us stormrage baileys |
| 19:54.06 | ThraeBot | clad|away: Sagart vs Baileys! Two 70 priests square off!; Baileys +340 HP; Baileys +140 SpellDmg&Healing; Sagart +15 RAP; Sagart +1.6% dodge; Sagart +64 spell crit rating; Sagart +10 nature resist; Baileys +29 resilience; Baileys +1.34% spell hit; Sagart +1 AP; Baileys +54 frost dmg; Baileys +130 shadow dmg; Sagart +840 Mana; Sagart +4 mana regen; Sagart +23 Armour; Sagart wins by 4%! |
| 19:54.26 | Bayk | can someone point me to some reading so I can find out how to add a minimap icon for my addon |
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| 19:59.32 | Lunessa | There doesn't appear to be a Wiki entry, so I'd suggest reading someone else's code to use as an example. |
| 19:59.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | still i wonder does anyone know how the parse your saved raid ID# ? |
| 20:00.07 | Lysistrata | Hi everyone. I got a little question anyone got an idead what Cartographer got to do with Chat? Right now I can't say anything in /1 everytime I try I get SendChatMessage() Unkown Language. |
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| 20:00.47 | Lunessa | Lysistrata: Why are you blaming Cartographer? |
| 20:01.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | heh Lunessa is tight this can be cased my anything :P |
| 20:01.36 | zenzelezz | that's an interesting typo o_O |
| 20:01.50 | Lunessa | ... o.O |
| 20:01.59 | Lysistrata | Because Improve Errormessage tell's me that Cartpgrapher is the reason. But to be more precise it seems like it got something to do with Ace x_O |
| 20:02.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | intresting ? u should made an addon to track all my message then u will see something intresting :P |
| 20:02.28 | zenzelezz | as far as I know it's hit and miss if the game gets the addon at fault right |
| 20:02.45 | zenzelezz | I can try to manually /target someone and get any number of different mods reported as breaking it |
| 20:02.48 | Lunessa | Lysistrata: Try updating all your Ace2 mods from http://files.wowace.com/ Chances are you have an old copy of something. |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | Well, Cartographer does send a bunch of junk through addon files |
| 20:02.57 | foxlit | files=channels |
| 20:03.06 | foxlit | So it might want to throttle that based on other traffic |
| 20:03.25 | foxlit | So it might have hooked SendChatMessage at some point to gauge the amount of trafic going around |
| 20:03.49 | Lysistrata | Guess I'll just try to update. For some reason everything is running fine now after toggling the language. |
| 20:04.01 | foxlit | That hook would end up catching the error blame when the real SCM errors() |
| 20:04.16 | Thunder_Child | i think GEM still holds the record for sending the most ammount of crap through channels |
| 20:04.52 | foxlit | Does GEM use completely semi-random channel names too? |
| 20:05.16 | Thunder_Child | no, but it sent a huge ammount of information |
| 20:05.30 | foxlit | Has to, part of the functionality, I believe. |
| 20:05.42 | Thunder_Child | oh it does, but it's still the most |
| 20:05.45 | Thunder_Child | afaik |
| 20:05.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe yeah GEM = SPEM |
| 20:06.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | well.. my other guild used Group Calender. and i created a data logger for it but the info was HUGE |
| 20:07.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | it tryed to keep all member sysnchonised so every time someone logged on i started the hole spam cycle |
| 20:07.17 | Lysistrata | Hmmm what does GEM do? |
| 20:07.29 | foxlit | scheduling and sign up management |
| 20:07.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | its addon that allow ppl to post events for thier guild or treams |
| 20:07.36 | Thunder_Child | Guild Event Manager |
| 20:07.43 | Lysistrata | Ah OK |
| 20:08.11 | Lunessa | I <3 GroupCalendar right in the face. |
| 20:08.47 | Lysistrata | I love GroupCalendar too but there isn't really any use for it if you're the only one using it -.-" |
| 20:10.26 | Lunessa | I have Officer powers to abuse. You be amazed how fast I got people to use it. :) |
| 20:11.54 | Lysistrata | I got that kind of power too... Nobody listend to me :/ |
| 20:13.43 | Lunessa | Time to lop off a head or two? |
| 20:15.39 | Lysistrata | The Guild doesn't exist anymore so I don't care about it xD |
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| 20:41.51 | Lunessa | Hahaha!!! " Gear and skill is what drives people and WoW.... and since my main > you. You lose." My very own flame. |
| 20:43.33 | sag_ich_nicht | grmbl |
| 20:43.37 | sag_ich_nicht | where is cogwheel? :O |
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| 20:45.56 | Lunessa | Enjoying a Saturday away from the office or computer? |
| 20:46.17 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: ThraeBot basically adds up the % of stat differences. It's designed for class vs same class for same levels, but it does have some very, very rudimentary code to make class vs other class a little fairer. |
| 20:59.12 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
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| 21:03.06 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks for the info Thrae |
| 21:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | !vs us llane Raybeez us cho'gall jamsheed |
| 21:04.17 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Raybeez vs Jamsheed! Two 70 druids square off!; 1/46/14 vs 0/49/12; Raybeez +223 HP; Raybeez +171 defense; Jamsheed +19.53% dodge; Jamsheed +15 resilience; Jamsheed +20 mana regen; Jamsheed +17.22% melee crit; Jamsheed +1710 Mana; Jamsheed +904 AP; Jamsheed +279 Armour; Jamsheed wins by 13%! |
| 21:04.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | jamsheed is awesome :[ |
| 21:05.33 | dnmcgoy | heya guys, if you want to override the functionality of something in FrameXML, is that possible? I tried putting a copy of the modified version in my Interface/Addons directory and then making a dependency on it in the .toc.. that of course doesn't seem to work |
| 21:06.53 | dnmcgoy | I was just trying something simple like TutorialFrame.xml |
| 21:07.50 | Shirik | in many cases you can |
| 21:07.57 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 21:07.57 | Shirik | using simple function hooking |
| 21:08.03 | Shirik | however, in some cases, you'll break secure functionality by doing that |
| 21:08.21 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs eu gul'dan sodexho us cho'gall jamsheed |
| 21:08.28 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Sodexho vs Jamsheed! Two 70 druids square off!; 0/47/14 vs 0/49/12; Sodexho +1003 HP; Sodexho +158 defense; Jamsheed +8.34% dodge; Sodexho +64 resilience; Jamsheed +606 AP; Jamsheed +34 mana regen; Jamsheed +12.7% melee crit; Sodexho +58 Healing; Sodexho +1242 Armour; Sodexho wins by 3%! |
| 21:08.35 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 21:08.35 | Lunessa | dnmcgoy: I don't believe you're allowed to modify FrameXML directly. |
| 21:08.41 | sag_ich_nicht | the druid tanks i know > the druid tanks you know |
| 21:08.49 | Shirik | not directly, but an addon can "override" it |
| 21:09.02 | Shirik | literally overwrite the code |
| 21:09.15 | Shirik | assuming the addon gets loaded before it runs, of course |
| 21:09.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | well jamsheed was in his arena gear, thrae |
| 21:09.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 21:09.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | by the resilience |
| 21:09.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's only 15 |
| 21:09.26 | dnmcgoy | yeah, that's what I was hoping by putting a modified copy of the xml |
| 21:09.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so maybe dps gear |
| 21:09.44 | Shirik | you can't directly modify the xml, no. But in many cases you can override it from an addon, if you really wanted to |
| 21:09.50 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:10.01 | Shirik | It USED to be possible to do this, yes, but it caused a million problems |
| 21:10.11 | Shirik | most notably conflicting addons |
| 21:10.17 | Shirik | thus, it was removed |
| 21:10.38 | Shirik | think about it, if every addon modified framexml, how can you verify that two addons modifying the same file both get what they want? |
| 21:10.50 | Shirik | instead, hooking is a very good solution in most all cases |
| 21:11.18 | dnmcgoy | well, ultimately lets say I want to remove a some preexisting piece of the ui .. a button graphic or something.. that's a very good point.. you wouldn't know which version of the function to load |
| 21:11.44 | Shirik | if you want to remove it, you should be able to do so from an addon |
| 21:11.54 | Shirik | without modifying FrameXML directly |
| 21:12.16 | Lunessa | bah... I really should learn more lua before doing this... |
| 21:12.22 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Nothing I can do about that -- it's not like the Armory has access to -all- his gear ;) |
| 21:13.01 | Lysistrata | Hmm I don't think the question really belongs here but is 6G 30S a fair price for a Netherweave Bag? |
| 21:13.22 | dnmcgoy | so basically hide the existing interface then put another one in its place? |
| 21:14.02 | Shirik | Lunessa: I don't know what I'm talking about half the time either, so what :P |
| 21:14.12 | Lunessa | Lysistrata: Depends on your server, but that's cheaper than matrials cost on my server. |
| 21:14.12 | [dRaCo] | fair is what others are willing to pay ;) |
| 21:14.21 | Lysistrata | Hmmm OK thanks Lunessa |
| 21:14.51 | Lysistrata | draco I'm just asking because I doN't visit the AH very often so I don't have a clue about the prices ^^ |
| 21:15.25 | Lysistrata | Basically I'm running around with 2 bags full of equip which i'd like to sell but I still I need to figure out the prices. |
| 21:15.52 | Lunessa | Shirik: Bah... I was going to script GetRaidTargetIndex, to grab a targets raid icon and throw it into a chat message, but then I noticed you should test for the existence of the unit first, and it got to be more work than I wanted to do for a stranger, so I just pointed them to the API. |
| 21:16.12 | Shirik | that's not too bad |
| 21:16.17 | Shirik | UnitExists() ? |
| 21:16.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | armory really does need to have an option to store gear profiles |
| 21:16.49 | Thrae | !api GetRaidTargetIndex |
| 21:16.51 | ThraeBot | Thrae: icon=GetRaidTargetIndex("unit"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidTargetIndex |
| 21:16.56 | Thrae | !api UnitExists |
| 21:16.58 | ThraeBot | Thrae: function 1stBuff() -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitExists |
| 21:16.59 | [dRaCo] | Lysistrata: most data sites have got prices you can use as basis |
| 21:16.59 | Lunessa | see... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=328513211&sid=1 for where I just decided I didn't want to do it all for him. :) |
| 21:17.07 | Shirik | thrae? |
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| 21:17.19 | Shirik | what is that 1stBuff? |
| 21:17.24 | [dRaCo] | wowhead's data e.g. isn't that far off reality on my server |
| 21:17.28 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:17.33 | Shirik | that's a horrible page |
| 21:17.33 | Thrae | Shirik: Someone isn't making the template correctly on the WoWWiki site ;) |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | wow. That's REALLY bad. |
| 21:18.08 | Lysistrata | Hmm OK I'll try that. Most of the time I try to go with 1.5x - 2x Vendor Sell Price. |
| 21:18.27 | Thrae | Shirik: WoWWiki accepts anon. edits, it's easy to correct ;) |
| 21:18.43 | Shirik | I would correct it but meh |
| 21:19.08 | zenzelezz | Thrae: it does? |
| 21:19.18 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Yes |
| 21:19.37 | foxlit | Thrae: you fixit! |
| 21:19.42 | zenzelezz | thought they made you register again or something |
| 21:19.55 | zenzelezz | *made you have to |
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| 21:20.05 | Thrae | foxlit: I'd have to login to /dump the function to make sure I have the right number of returns and arguments ;) |
| 21:20.05 | Shirik | almost got it hang on |
| 21:20.11 | Shirik | I just did that :P |
| 21:20.21 | Shirik | it returns 1 and nil |
| 21:20.37 | Thrae | Shirik: 1, not true? Damn old C users! Heh |
| 21:20.45 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 21:21.12 | Lunessa | C was good enough to put men on the moon... |
| 21:21.18 | Thrae | What, that's not your fault? |
| 21:21.35 | Thrae | Lunessa: Yeah, but WoW is coded in C++, so there's no reason to not use 'true'. |
| 21:21.46 | Lunessa | ... true |
| 21:21.57 | Thrae | Not to mention the Lua core supports 'true' regardless. |
| 21:23.11 | Shirik | !api UnitExists |
| 21:23.15 | ThraeBot | Shirik: exists = UnitName("unit") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitExists |
| 21:23.21 | Shirik | ah crap |
| 21:23.26 | Shirik | that's what I get for copy/paste |
| 21:23.26 | Thrae | Haha |
| 21:23.53 | Shirik | !api UnitExists |
| 21:23.59 | ThraeBot | Shirik: exists = UnitExists("unit") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitExists |
| 21:23.59 | Shirik | there you go |
| 21:25.06 | Lunessa | Maybe I should make an AddOn for that very purpose... |
| 21:25.17 | [dRaCo] | what purpose? |
| 21:25.27 | Shirik | ok, I have to head out |
| 21:25.33 | Shirik | take care |
| 21:25.33 | Iriel | I think the WoW Lua integration was originally pre-5.0 |
| 21:25.47 | Lunessa | Spitting out the raid icon of your current target or focus in to a chat message. |
| 21:26.02 | Thrae | Iriel: Oh? I haven't looked at pre-5.0. It didn't include 'true'? |
| 21:26.11 | Lunessa | It's be tiny and get lots of feature requests I could ignore. |
| 21:29.20 | [dRaCo] | hrhr. |
| 21:31.01 | Thrae | Lunessa: /script local u,m if UnitExists("target") then u,m="target","%t" elseif UnitExists("focus") then u,m="focus","%f" end if u and m then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("RaidTarget for " .. m .. " is " .. GetRaidTargetIndex(u) .. ".") end |
| 21:31.41 | Lunessa | Curses... I was working it out on my own... cheeky! |
| 21:32.11 | Thrae | Lunessa: /script local u if UnitExists("target") then u,m="target" elseif UnitExists("focus") then u,m="focus","%f" end if u and m then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("RaidTarget for " .. m .. " (" .. u .. ") is " .. GetRaidTargetIndex(u) .. ".") end |
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| 21:32.25 | Thrae | added "focus" or "target" |
| 21:32.37 | Thrae | Whoops, removed "%t" by accident |
| 21:32.42 | Lunessa | So I see. You're fast. |
| 21:32.47 | Kaydeethree | woo for being a bad person... |
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| 21:33.15 | Thrae | Actually %t might not work in AddMessage |
| 21:33.49 | Thrae | In that case, change m to UnitName("target"), etc. |
| 21:33.49 | Lunessa | heh... I had to lockdown my Wifi - neighbor's kid was using it to surf pr0n and bypass filters. |
| 21:34.17 | zenzelezz | you told his parents, righ? |
| 21:34.20 | zenzelezz | +t |
| 21:34.33 | Kaydeethree | meh. I'm just using it to get on line, coming back from a weeklong vacation to find my CM offline != happy k_d |
| 21:34.40 | Lunessa | Nah, I just locked up my Wifi and cut him off at the source. |
| 21:35.08 | Kaydeethree | bah. you should've used a proxy or something and redirected all of his traffic to tubgirl or something |
| 21:35.19 | Kaydeethree | ...or something |
| 21:35.21 | Thrae | Lunessa: You should have followed this -- http://bash.org/?202477 |
| 21:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd just find a way to redirect all disallowed MACs to lemonparty for every website |
| 21:36.02 | Lunessa | lol |
| 21:36.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 21:36.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i missed that from Kaydeethree |
| 21:36.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | somehow |
| 21:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | my brain is on autopilot today |
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| 21:36.36 | Kaydeethree | I know the feeling |
| 21:36.36 | Thrae | http://bash.org/?195969 <-- I actually do this since I have wireless internet through my phone + laptop in my car |
| 21:36.47 | Kaydeethree | which is a bad thing considering I just got out of the car from a 4 hour drive |
| 21:37.44 | Lunessa | haha |
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| 21:38.50 | Lunessa | Thrae: I'm going to use that as the basis for a function. |
| 21:38.54 | Lunessa | Thanks. :P |
| 21:39.09 | Thrae | Lunessa: It'd probably fit in a macro too ;) |
| 21:40.08 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'm going to make it for a slash command for macro use, so that you get the text name for the icon and can just throw it in macros. |
| 21:40.19 | Thrae | I should make a "Useful Macros" batch/sh script for each class, which sets macros up for macro n00bs. That'd be very cool. |
| 21:41.23 | Thrae | Lunessa: Nah, putting a /script before it isn't that difficult. |
| 21:41.55 | Lunessa | I know. I'm doing it to hand out to guildees who can't even figure out the normal macro syntax. |
| 21:43.30 | Lunessa | It'll be a silly pjt, but lots of addon pjts are silly. |
| 21:45.14 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: heya and wb. i'm not really here atm, but if/when you get a chance to try the 2.2 PTR under wine, I'd love to now if you get any further than the X Window creation before it hangs. |
| 21:45.26 | bleeter | er, now/know/ |
| 21:45.37 | bleeter | or any other WoW Winer, for that matter |
| 21:51.58 | Kaydeethree | heyo. soon as I get it downloaded |
| 21:53.12 | bleeter | no probs, I'm suspecting it's due to the voice foo and having multiple sound cards, tho haven't tested that thoroughly yet |
| 21:53.52 | bleeter | there's a sound.log that's meant to be being generated, but I don't get any of the logs 'cept the cpu.log |
| 21:56.56 | Iriel | There are new API's for handling multiple sound devices |
| 21:57.51 | bleeter | Iriel: are you referring to WoW, Wine or ALSA? |
| 21:57.57 | Iriel | WoW |
| 21:58.23 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=330713563&postId=3001655127&sid=1 |
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| 21:59.12 | bleeter | yeah, thought as much. just didn't have that much time yesterday to investigate. and I'm on avian carrier internet at the moment, can't check that link. But it wouldn't suprise me if they don't play nice with WIne/ALSA |
| 21:59.45 | bleeter | hmmm, tho I didn't try using WIne/OSS. Might do that a bit later on today |
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| 22:01.51 | Iriel | Ouch, client crash just standing in Zangamarsh |
| 22:01.57 | Iriel | methinks they haven't worked the kinks out of this one yet |
| 22:02.39 | bleeter | early PTR so they have something useful for BlizzCon eh? |
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| 22:05.29 | Iriel | Is anyone here on the PvE PTR right now? |
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| 22:06.07 | Kaydeethree | bah. nothing happens when I load the ptr |
| 22:06.08 | Kaydeethree | bleeter, pong |
| 22:06.20 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: ping |
| 22:06.31 | bleeter | ooh, not even the X Window creation? Ouch |
| 22:06.54 | Kaydeethree | I've got wine creating the virt wine desktop window and that's it |
| 22:07.02 | Kaydeethree | terminal's not giving any errors |
| 22:07.06 | Iriel | Awww... /script CommentatorSetMode(1) --> You do not have permission to perform that function |
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| 22:07.53 | bleeter | ah, rightio. I did notice it'd spawn the explorer.exe. No I'm gunna take a wild stab in the dark that it's using some function from there to determine the audio subsystem foo - and Wine doesn't work that way (or can't_) |
| 22:07.58 | bleeter | Iriel: :( |
| 22:08.12 | bleeter | erm s/No/Now/ |
| 22:08.58 | Iriel | Anyone want to buy me a Mac Pro? |
| 22:09.02 | bleeter | unless, of course, there's some other hideuously huge change under the hood that's either non-obvious from the patch notes, or just not mentioned |
| 22:09.11 | bleeter | Iriel: only if you buy me one too |
| 22:09.24 | zenzelezz | Iriel: will it grant me access to protected functions if I do? |
| 22:09.46 | Iriel | Oooh.. mac version has video recording built in now |
| 22:09.50 | Iriel | Take that windows |
| 22:10.00 | bleeter | very much so indeed |
| 22:10.02 | zenzelezz | still, it's QuickTime |
| 22:10.13 | foxlit | Nothing wrong with that, tbh |
| 22:10.18 | foxlit | Looks great <3 |
| 22:10.28 | zenzelezz | just not as supported from editing software as far as I've seen' |
| 22:10.36 | Iriel | Even mac editing software? |
| 22:10.42 | zenzelezz | what do I know about macs |
| 22:10.43 | Iriel | I thought quicktime was pretty ubiquitous? |
| 22:10.48 | zenzelezz | but I believe Windows can do it just fine too, Carmageddon 2 had QuickTime recording |
| 22:10.54 | Iriel | Our video production vendors deliver us quicktime |
| 22:10.55 | bleeter | QUickTime's about the only desktop audio/video API that I trust |
| 22:11.11 | Corrodias | trust? |
| 22:11.17 | Corrodias | to what? |
| 22:11.31 | bleeter | there was some mention by tigerclaw about the possibility of offering same on windows, but would obviously introduce a 3rd party dependency |
| 22:12.00 | zenzelezz | just bundle the QT libraries or whatever :-p |
| 22:12.35 | foxlit | There's no pressing need to do that on windows, really |
| 22:12.58 | zenzelezz | no need to do it on Mac either :-) |
| 22:13.10 | foxlit | There's a rather stern lack of capture software for macs |
| 22:13.19 | foxlit | Whereas everyone and their grandmother has a bootleg copy of fraps |
| 22:13.30 | zenzelezz | if capturing was important then it'd be built-in already |
| 22:13.48 | Corrodias | important to whom? |
| 22:13.49 | foxlit | What kind of a reason is that? :) |
| 22:13.57 | zenzelezz | and Fraps, while it works, is still hackish compared to built-in |
| 22:14.12 | bleeter | Corrodias: to work well, as in, professionally, obviously |
| 22:14.36 | Corrodias | if it were obvious, i wouldn't have asked |
| 22:15.40 | bleeter | Fraps can't remove the UI element tho |
| 22:16.04 | bleeter | meaning it's not much worth for the Macichima folks |
| 22:16.26 | foxlit | You need UI elements to do machinima? |
| 22:16.30 | foxlit | why? :) |
| 22:17.04 | bleeter | no, you need to remove them. and as we know, controlling your toon while no UI is active can be... fun. |
| 22:17.45 | foxlit | It seems to be that it's very easy to avoid that headache |
| 22:18.49 | Corrodias | how's that? |
| 22:18.55 | bleeter | beyond very smart editing, which I can guarantee you isn't necessarily easy, I'd be interested to know how |
| 22:19.10 | bleeter | but for now, I've gotta leave this pigeon internet. I'll catchya later on this topic, foxlit |
| 22:19.15 | foxlit | Realistically, you need a pretty limited number of buttons :) |
| 22:19.18 | Iriel | You could play viewported, and crop the UI out of the final |
| 22:19.40 | Thrae | !quit Reset |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | Resize WorldFrame, and you don't even have to put them on top of your game capture |
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| 22:19.59 | bleeter | foxlit: ok, you tell that to Nihilum next time they record a major boss fight ;) :P |
| 22:20.01 | foxlit | You could keybind most of your actions |
| 22:20.20 | foxlit | Trivial, really |
| 22:20.23 | Iriel | The video capture doesn't appear to be entirely bug free, either |
| 22:20.59 | foxlit | Run wow in a 3:2 aspect, but adjust viewport to be widescreen; your UI goes in the parts you do not capture. |
| 22:21.22 | Iriel | Still, it's nice to get a clean capture of the non-UI directly without all the faffing about |
| 22:21.40 | Iriel | Assuming, of course, that it worked |
| 22:22.24 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure I'm getting this right, will the Mac capture feature be able to capture video without the UI on while the UI still shows for the player? |
| 22:22.32 | foxlit | Yes |
| 22:22.51 | zenzelezz | optionally or exclusively? |
| 22:22.52 | Iriel | That's what the UI options say |
| 22:22.55 | Iriel | it's an option |
| 22:22.57 | Iriel | one of several |
| 22:22.59 | foxlit | It's an option |
| 22:23.15 | Iriel | "Record the UI" "Record the Cursor" "Record Sound" |
| 22:23.32 | zenzelezz | sounds pretty cool |
| 22:24.37 | Iriel | It's very easy to use |
| 22:24.39 | Iriel | that's a big plus |
| 22:25.04 | zenzelezz | is there some key binding to start/stop recording? |
| 22:25.20 | Iriel | Yup |
| 22:25.24 | Iriel | The default is [ |
| 22:25.27 | Iriel | to toggle |
| 22:25.40 | Corrodias | i want more people in our guild. :( |
| 22:26.10 | Iriel | You can capture at a lower resolution than you play, also |
| 22:27.01 | zenzelezz | I hope they bring this to Windows eventually; would be fun to play around with |
| 22:27.03 | Iriel | It's a bit much for my poor macbook pro tho (Which is running wow in windowed mode on a 2nd monitor) |
| 22:27.25 | Iriel | I suspect some adjustment of video settings, or closing everything else, would help |
| 22:29.32 | Corrodias | it appears to save some step of the encoding until after you finish recording. also, you'd certainly want at least two cpu cores |
| 22:29.52 | Iriel | this is a core 2 duo tho |
| 22:29.54 | Iriel | so i have 2 cores |
| 22:30.10 | Iriel | I just dont have the bestest drive on the planet, or that beefy a CPU |
| 22:30.16 | Corrodias | i have a question about that name |
| 22:30.42 | Corrodias | is it the 2 or the duo that indicates it has 2 cores, and what does the other one mean? or are they redundant? |
| 22:31.55 | foxlit | core 2 is the iteration version |
| 22:32.00 | foxlit | duo implies two cores |
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| 22:32.27 | Corrodias | iteration? |
| 22:33.49 | foxlit | Architecture revision, family name etc :) |
| 22:34.01 | foxlit | Same as Pentium II, Pentium III and so on :) |
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| 22:34.45 | Corrodias | ah |
| 22:35.02 | foxlit | Previous iteration would be Core; Core Solo/Core Duo processors :) |
| 22:38.39 | Kaydeethree | hm... wonder how easy it'd be to set up a trace of starting the ptr? |
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| 23:15.55 | Kirov | Is it a known bug that bindings for movement keys don't warn when they're being unbound? |
| 23:16.52 | Kirov | GetBindingAction(key) doesn't return anything if the function is protected. |
| 23:17.17 | Iriel | It's not a bug |
| 23:17.30 | Iriel | Most of the protected-in-combat functions fail silently |
| 23:17.39 | Kirov | It's not in-combat |
| 23:18.01 | Kirov | well, rather, GetBindingAction("W") should return _something_ |
| 23:18.04 | Iriel | Maybe I misunderstood the question? |
| 23:18.20 | Iriel | I do /dump GetBindingAction("W") |
| 23:18.29 | Iriel | I get [1] = "MOVEFORWARD" |
| 23:18.38 | Kirov | *blinks* |
| 23:18.50 | Kirov | ok, aparently I got hit with the idiot stick while I was away |
| 23:18.59 | Kirov | let me rephrase |
| 23:19.17 | Kirov | Go to the Key Bindings window, select something that isn't bound, then press W |
| 23:19.21 | Kirov | You'll get no warning |
| 23:19.44 | Iriel | Let me kill this withered giant |
| 23:20.35 | Iriel | Yes, it lets me rebind W happily |
| 23:20.38 | Kirov | No zangarmarsh for you! |
| 23:20.49 | Iriel | If I rebind BOTH of the keys formerly bound to move forward it gives me a red notification message |
| 23:20.59 | Iriel | "Move forward is now unbound" or somesuch |
| 23:21.02 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:21.21 | Kirov | So, it's a multiple bound key issue maybe. |
| 23:21.32 | Iriel | Possibly |
| 23:21.39 | Iriel | It doesn't seem to mind if you just rebind one of the alternatives |
| 23:21.43 | Iriel | that's' fine by me, |
| 23:22.07 | Kirov | But it seems like there should be some warning |
| 23:22.18 | Iriel | Why? |
| 23:22.24 | Iriel | it's not like you've disabled the key? |
| 23:22.35 | Kirov | True, but you may have disabled the main key you used for it |
| 23:22.41 | Iriel | Though I suppose some notification "You've just unbound a key fro BLAH" |
| 23:23.08 | Iriel | There's only so far you can go protecting people from themselves |
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| 23:23.55 | Kirov | aha! |
| 23:24.32 | Kirov | I'm working on my own binding window. |
| 23:24.49 | Kirov | Basically, tired of people going, "You know what would be nice, a key binding for this." |
| 23:24.59 | Kirov | When the key binding already exists. |
| 23:25.08 | sag_ich_nicht | grmbl, i wish ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED would provide more information >< |
| 23:25.29 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: You can call debugstack when it fires |
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| 23:25.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: i know |
| 23:25.38 | Iriel | or whatever it is |
| 23:25.38 | sag_ich_nicht | i am already |
| 23:25.45 | Iriel | So what else are you missing? |
| 23:25.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i wish there was a function to get all functions etc. that currently are tainted X) |
| 23:26.00 | Kirov | Iriel - so, are you actually playing WoW now? |
| 23:26.03 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:26.06 | sag_ich_nicht | (and the source of the taint :P) |
| 23:26.27 | Iriel | Kirov: I never really stopped actually playing WoW... |
| 23:26.31 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, just the list would be enough, issecurevariable() would be enough to check for from where it's coming |
| 23:26.37 | Iriel | Kirov: I'm playing my L62 tho, rather than my L40 |
| 23:26.54 | Bayk | is there a way to have a botton that uses a varible for the text its shows? |
| 23:27.14 | Iriel | Bayk: Not directly, you have to call SetText when you change the value of the variable |
| 23:27.36 | Iriel | Though I suppose if you're lazy you could write an OnUpdate handler that just SetText's every frame |
| 23:28.25 | Kirov | Which is, oddly, more efficient then an OnUpdate that does a != check before it does the SetText |
| 23:28.35 | Iriel | No it isnt! |
| 23:28.53 | Kirov | Slouken used to say SetText was smart |
| 23:28.55 | Iriel | Well, let me rephrase |
| 23:29.19 | Iriel | If you've kept a reference to the old value somewhere 'easy' then it'll be faster to avoid the method call |
| 23:29.44 | Kirov | more efficient than :GetText != newvar |
| 23:29.46 | Iriel | but it IS better to do F:SetText(x) instead of if (x ~= F:GetText()) then F:SetText(x); end |
| 23:29.49 | Iriel | yeah |
| 23:29.54 | Bayk | I mean the text the shows when you see the botton can I us a varible to set that? Are you saying i need to use settext there? |
| 23:30.06 | Kirov | bah, too much non-mel work, != |
| 23:30.17 | Iriel | but if (F.old ~= x) then F:SetText(x) F.old = x end |
| 23:30.18 | Iriel | is better |
| 23:30.43 | Iriel | At least, it used to be |
| 23:30.59 | Kirov | Bayk - if your variable is a string or number you can do a ButtonName:SetText(variableName) |
| 23:31.00 | Iriel | It actually may be a wash now the methods are explicit |
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| 23:32.04 | Bayk | thank you Kirov |
| 23:32.18 | Kirov | Bayk - every time variableName is changed, you'll need to do a ButtonName:SetText(variableName) afterwards at the same place you changed that variable at. |
| 23:32.26 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, anyone know how taint is handled inside the parser? (i.e. what this question is heading at is how hard or easy it would be to implement a request for something along the lines of listtainted()) |
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| 23:32.58 | Iriel | It's a property of references and objects |
| 23:33.19 | Iriel | so you're going to be just as fast iterating over _G calling issecurevariable |
| 23:34.07 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:33] <@Iriel> so you're going to be just as fast iterating over _G calling issecurevariable <--sure that would tell me everything that's tained? :P (and if so, why is there no addon for that yet? :P) |
| 23:34.15 | Cide | Iriel: it's still a lot faster when the values are the same (obviously a bit slower when they aren't) |
| 23:34.33 | Cide | if ( old ~= new ) then button:SetText(new) end, that is |
| 23:34.35 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: It'll tell you all the globals that are tainted |
| 23:35.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: which is not everything. :P |
| 23:35.11 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Make it recursive to get all of the reachable variables via global starts, and enumerate over the frames to get all of the normally reachable variables |
| 23:35.24 | Iriel | You can't find 'non reachable' taint, but then you can't get to those objects either |
| 23:35.58 | Iriel | it wont get you tainted closures, but it's a rare case where a closure is tainted but its reference is not |
| 23:36.26 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm true... which brings up me being a bad coder and an annoyed tester >.> |
| 23:36.30 | Iriel | And what you're asking for is akin to something that says "tell me all of the variables with a value of "Spoon" -- not exactly feasible or really all that useful |
| 23:37.01 | Iriel | personally I think CHANGES in taint (from untainted to tainted) are far more interesting |
| 23:37.11 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm true |
| 23:38.23 | sag_ich_nicht | still, it'd be useful if you have 388 addons and try to track which taint exactly caused, e.g., this: http://pastey.net/70831-1uj7 |
| 23:38.59 | Iriel | But again that's only really useful if you know what stuff WASNT tainted when you didn't have those addons |
| 23:39.02 | Kaydeethree | bah for xchat bailing when it loses connectivity for that 0.25s it takes for the router to soft-reset |
| 23:41.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: i'm just annoyed with having to disassemble the blizz function and test every single action in it for taint to find where it's coming from. >.> |
| 23:41.34 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: I think possibly a useful AddOn would be one you can use to scan the globals and save a list of those which are untainted |
| 23:41.45 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Then a command that compares the list with the current environment and reports differences |
| 23:42.08 | Iriel | Make that saved list as complex and thorough as you like |
| 23:42.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 23:43.21 | sag_ich_nicht | okay now we need to find someone to code it, i'm too lazy and you're too busy |
| 23:43.42 | Kirov | is there a way to count the number of returns from a function with out creating a table? |
| 23:43.56 | Iriel | Kirov: Yes, use another function |
| 23:44.08 | Iriel | function countReturns(...) return select('#', ...); end |
| 23:44.21 | Kirov | yay for compound variables |
| 23:45.07 | Thrae | Iriel: Can't do select('#', foo()) unless foo returns a string or table, eh? |
| 23:45.21 | Iriel | Thrae: Actually, that probably works |
| 23:45.43 | Thrae | Ah cool. That should be better then creating a string everytime from multiple returns. |
| 23:46.03 | Iriel | Thrae: That works perfectly and is much cleaner than my suggestion |
| 23:46.22 | Iriel | though of course you can't access the return values themselves |
| 23:46.29 | Kirov | don't care to |
| 23:46.33 | Thrae | Kirov: So, uh, try that ;) |
| 23:46.33 | Kirov | just want the number |
| 23:46.43 | Iriel | which is the only advantage of a function dispatch inthere, but again, only if you actually DO something after the select('#') |
| 23:46.47 | Thrae | Dumping the results of WoW API functions? |
| 23:46.50 | Kirov | local oldkeys = select("#",GetBindingKey(oldAction)); |
| 23:47.01 | Thrae | Ah, gotcha. |
| 23:47.13 | sag_ich_nicht | /dump |
| 23:47.14 | Kirov | if > 1, all unbound, else partial unbound |
| 23:47.14 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 23:47.21 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Part of devtools |
| 23:47.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: i know :P |
| 23:47.37 | Thrae | Kirov: What's that for? |
| 23:47.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Iriel: altho Ace2 has it's own /dump but it's... not very friendly. |
| 23:47.55 | Kirov | Thrae - a key binding ui for my own mods |
| 23:47.57 | Iriel | sag_ich_nicht: Not sure why they didn't just steal mine, I wouldn't have minded |
| 23:48.16 | Thrae | I'm too busy recoding this Lua IRC Bot, dammit...I need to work on addons again |
| 23:48.46 | Kirov | Thrae - if you unbind a key from a keybinding with multiple bindings there's no warning with the default UI. Mine will warn if you're unbinding a key that's in use vs. completely unbinding a function. |
| 23:48.48 | Iriel | Mmmm.. Pets love sporeling snacks! |
| 23:49.18 | Thrae | Kirov: Gotcha. |
| 23:50.29 | Kirov | Thrae - I'm making the assumption that if GetBindingAction(newkey) returns anything, then if GetBindingKey(GetBindingAction(newkey)) has more than 1 return than it still has bound keys, otherwise the user is unbinding all keys to that binding |
| 23:51.11 | Iriel | Kirov: Are you going to support the new modifier stuff too? |
| 23:51.27 | Kirov | new modifier stuff? |
| 23:51.46 | Kirov | I've been away from wow for like 4 months |
| 23:52.21 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. Iriel take a look, but stay quite: http://files.wowace.com/GPSLib/GPSLib.zip ;) |
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| 23:54.16 | Iriel | Does the dungeon stuff work? I've wondered if anyone would ever really try and do a ping based tracker |
| 23:54.44 | Shirik | I've wanted to know how well it works myself |
| 23:54.53 | Shirik | I've seen the code, it's interesting to say the least |
| 23:55.05 | Iriel | In theory if you have a point of reference and people obey ping discipline it SHOULD work pretty well |
| 23:55.47 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:54] <@Iriel> Does the dungeon stuff work? I've wondered if anyone would ever really try and do a ping based tracker <ot dpes- |
| 23:55.49 | Kirov | going via CHAT_MSG_ADDON? |
| 23:55.50 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 23:55.53 | sag_ich_nicht | *it does |
| 23:56.08 | Iriel | How do you establish the reference point? |
| 23:56.13 | Iriel | Or is it just relative placement? |
| 23:56.20 | sag_ich_nicht | problem is it needs a database for each single instance |
| 23:56.33 | sag_ich_nicht | relative placement, thus you need a DB for each instance |
| 23:56.40 | mikma | didn't it assume that the place where you enter instance is 0,0 |
| 23:56.40 | sag_ich_nicht | or at least some recorded data |
| 23:56.46 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 23:56.47 | Iriel | Stand on landmark X and ping it? |
| 23:56.48 | Iriel | That kind of thing? |
| 23:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | no, on zone=,0 |
| 23:57.11 | Shirik | zone-in location is a very solid origin (and the only reliable one I can think of) |
| 23:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 23:57.16 | sag_ich_nicht | on zone=0,0 |
| 23:57.29 | Iriel | For zones with one entrance, anyway |
| 23:57.35 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:57.40 | Shirik | well, for zones with multiple entrances |
| 23:57.43 | Shirik | it should still be detectable |
| 23:57.43 | Iriel | So reloading/relogging in-instance screws you up |
| 23:57.52 | Iriel | but you can track where you were before in the entrance cases |
| 23:58.10 | sag_ich_nicht | also in the reload case |
| 23:58.12 | sag_ich_nicht | and relog case |
| 23:58.12 | Iriel | Neat, nice to see someone put it together |
| 23:58.16 | Shirik | you can use a SV to handle reloading/relogging except in the extreme case of a crash |
| 23:58.20 | sag_ich_nicht | http://files.wowace.com/Mode7/ is also there |
| 23:58.28 | Shirik | anyway, I have to go eat dessert :P take care |
| 23:58.46 | sag_ich_nicht | aaaaaaaaand then we have something that brings GPSLib and Mode7 together here: http://files.wowace.com/DungeonCrawler/ |
| 23:59.03 | sag_ich_nicht | only works in crypts atm and doesn't look pretty at all |
| 23:59.05 | sag_ich_nicht | but it works :O |
| 23:59.49 | mikma | well i tested it in stockades some time ago.. was pretty confused because the map didn't match the instance :D |
