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| 00:29.51 | bleeter | ah, I see some macro issues slipped through into 2.1.3, not to be fixed until 2.2 |
| 00:29.56 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174542301 |
| 00:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | he kinda sorta in a roundabout way said that 2.2 will be the next to hit the ptr |
| 00:33.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been wanting a new content patch :[ |
| 00:35.05 | bleeter | I've not seen any mention of a 2.1.4. Though I ain't been looking hard. |
| 00:35.23 | bleeter | I kinda get the feeling 2.1.3's more to fix the unit frames issue more than anything else. |
| 00:35.31 | bleeter | but, wtf would I know lol |
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| 00:44.09 | bleeter | yay! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI iPhone blending! |
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| 00:44.34 | Scumbag | Hello! I'm just learning how to write addons, and I'd like a guild invite to the Horde guild on Draka, so I can ask some questions. Name's Crotch. (Yes, "Crotch") |
| 00:44.50 | Scumbag | anyone here? |
| 00:44.58 | foxlit | I'm surprised they allow that per naming policy. |
| 00:45.10 | bleeter | indeed |
| 00:45.18 | Scumbag | I've gotten away with Buttplug, but not Crackpot. Go figure. |
| 00:45.20 | foxlit | No, no one here. There's a random note on the desk. |
| 00:45.31 | foxlit | A chill wind is coming from the basement. |
| 00:45.54 | foxlit | Suddenly, the light goes out. You're likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 00:46.53 | Scumbag | Anyway, I remember there being a way to create an invisible frame, so you could register for events. Where can I find the code for that again? |
| 00:48.06 | foxlit | You descend into the basement, turning on a portable candlerack to ward off the grues. Inspecting the desk, you find a small piece of paper with "www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame" on it. The URL appears to be written in red ink. |
| 00:48.43 | Lunessa | foxlit: Adventurer and Enchanter references earn you +10 Honor. |
| 00:48.44 | Scumbag | Found it: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API), but thanks. |
| 00:49.16 | bleeter | foxlit: does one have to wear the dressing gown before going to the basement? |
| 00:49.31 | foxlit | No, but your inventory seems to suggest that you have no tea. |
| 00:49.42 | Scumbag | so how do I get into Register for Save? |
| 00:49.57 | Scumbag | I have tea *and* no tea! |
| 00:50.07 | cladhaire | Scumbag: which side is that? |
| 00:50.11 | bleeter | no tea? god damn, I feel I'm gunna get stuck in this for several weeks :/ |
| 00:50.11 | cladhaire | i can invite you |
| 00:50.19 | Scumbag | horde side |
| 00:50.31 | cladhaire | brt |
| 00:50.33 | Scumbag | Name's Crotch. |
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| 00:50.37 | cladhaire | send me an im on cladhaire |
| 00:50.41 | bleeter | cladhaire: remind me to create a toon on that realm so I can run around making 'beep beep' noises :P |
| 00:50.42 | Scumbag | Scumbag was my other character |
| 00:50.53 | Lunessa | foxlit: Use llama treats |
| 00:51.53 | cladhaire | Scumbag: Nevermind, i no longer have the right to invite.. sorry |
| 00:51.55 | cladhaire | bother Cairenn |
| 00:51.57 | foxlit | You get a packet of fresh llama treats out of your pocket and open it. The stench is horrifying, and there appear to be no llamas in the basemenet. |
| 00:52.15 | Scumbag | afk for pasta. pasta taskes priority over WoW. |
| 00:52.32 | bleeter | Llamas are larger than frogs. |
| 00:52.45 | Lunessa | foxlit: look change of adress card |
| 00:53.06 | bleeter | The llama is a quadruped which lives in the big rivers like the Amazon. It has two ears, a heart, a forehead, and a beak for eating honey. But it is provided with fins for swimming. |
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| 00:54.37 | bleeter | Llamas are dangerous, so if you see one where people are swimming, you shout... |
| 00:54.48 | bleeter | "Look out, there are llamas!" |
| 00:55.01 | foxlit | You further inspect the basement, discovering a change of address card in one of the drawers - the owner of the house appears to have moved out over 42 days ago. As the candles begin to flicker and die down, you could've sworn you saw something move behind you." |
| 00:55.22 | Thrae | foxlit: Which Zork is that? |
| 00:55.56 | foxlit | #wowi-zorg, here-and-now, generated live! |
| 00:56.21 | Thrae | Zorg is like the Zerg of Zork-like games? |
| 00:57.18 | Lunessa | I feel so old all of a sudden... I remember with great fondness all of the Infocom titles. |
| 00:57.26 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 00:58.09 | Lunessa | I lost entire weekends to the two written by Douglas Adams. |
| 00:59.02 | Scumbag | Ahh, yes. I enjoyed "mucking up all of [Prosser's] fancy facial work." |
| 00:59.33 | foxlit | Hm, should make a bot-sponsored zorg game |
| 01:00.22 | Scumbag | Just curious: how many people here use Ace? |
| 01:00.46 | foxlit | s/org/ork/ |
| 01:01.22 | Fin | Scumbag: 5 |
| 01:01.31 | bleeter | Scumbag: e |
| 01:01.35 | bleeter | no, make that pi |
| 01:01.38 | Fin | bleeter: Scumbag |
| 01:01.45 | bleeter | Scumbag: Fin |
| 01:02.00 | Fin | Scumbag: Scumbag |
| 01:05.33 | Garoun|Me | Order of the Phoenix was pretty good but really really dark, not saying anymore then that since I know that nobody has seen it :) |
| 01:08.02 | Bela|afk | they get progressively darker. I believe that was on purpose |
| 01:08.15 | Garoun|Me | yep, it does |
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| 01:08.33 | Bela|afk | I am going to an HP party the night the book comes out |
| 01:08.50 | Bela|afk | just saying that makes me cringe, but I am hooked |
| 01:09.10 | Garoun|Me | cool, I went to a sneak preview held by Mythic with some friends |
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| 01:09.25 | Garoun|Me | nicest thing was lack of crowded theater :) |
| 01:10.09 | clad|hp5 | bbl |
| 01:10.18 | Garoun|Me | :) |
| 01:10.23 | bleeter | cya clad, safe travels |
| 01:10.24 | Garoun|Me | have fun |
| 01:10.24 | clad|hp5 | =) |
| 01:10.27 | clad|hp5 | will do |
| 01:10.33 | clad|hp5 | have a 3 hour wait for the movie |
| 01:10.34 | clad|hp5 | =/ |
| 01:10.38 | Garoun|Me | eww |
| 01:10.46 | Garoun|Me | are you doing preview or midnight showing? |
| 01:11.02 | Garoun|Me | oh, gonna guess midnight showing |
| 01:11.20 | cog|book | quel film? |
| 01:12.08 | Bela|afk | waiting till tomorrow here |
| 01:12.56 | Garoun|Loupana | I honestly don't think I would have liked it if I saw it with the general public |
| 01:13.11 | Garoun|Loupana | it's 130min... reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long |
| 01:14.18 | Scumbag | what's the EVENT_NAME for OnUpdate? Is it just OnUpdate, or what? |
| 01:14.41 | Scumbag | I need to know what to supply as an argument to RegisterEvent |
| 01:14.46 | cog|book | OnUpdate isn't an event like CHAT_MSG_ADDON or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 01:14.53 | cog|book | it's a frame event handler |
| 01:15.06 | Scumbag | o |
| 01:15.17 | cog|book | you have to use a <Scripts> tag in XML or :SetScript on a frame in Lua |
| 01:15.45 | Scumbag | Yeah, I already have that in the code |
| 01:15.50 | Scumbag | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", a); |
| 01:16.01 | Scumbag | where a is the (badly named) function name |
| 01:16.13 | cog|book | "OnUpdate" goes where "OnEvent" is |
| 01:16.21 | Scumbag | Ah, thanks. |
| 01:16.57 | Scumbag | So I don't need to register an event if I want the function called every update? |
| 01:17.39 | Scumbag | Really, what I just want to do is have a function called continuously. |
| 01:19.01 | Scumbag | I created a macro to take all the money and items from AuctionInvoices in the inbox using a for loop, but that only took the first one, so I want to continually try taking stuff until there's nothing left in the inbox. |
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| 01:23.45 | cog|book | Maybe look at the code for CT MailMod since it has an Open All button... |
| 01:24.09 | cog|book | I don't know if it uses timers, or some other mail-related event to do its business... |
| 01:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It can't use timers |
| 01:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Latency varies too much. |
| 01:25.49 | Legorol | folks, what's the build number of the live 2.1.3 patch? |
| 01:25.52 | Legorol | is it 6898? |
| 01:26.28 | cog|book | yes |
| 01:26.50 | cog|book | Scumbag: if you do use OnUpdate, don't do your work every single time... |
| 01:27.10 | cog|book | give it at least 1/2 second between passes so you're not eating up CPU cycles |
| 01:28.17 | bleeter | oh hell |
| 01:28.21 | bleeter | water's been turned off |
| 01:28.27 | bleeter | no coffee for 12+ hours |
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| 01:32.57 | Legorol | lol bleeter, that'd be the least of my concern without water |
| 01:33.10 | Thelyna | coffee is life. |
| 01:33.24 | Lunessa | I'd be worried about showering. |
| 01:34.28 | bleeter | well yeah, haven't had a shower this morn yet |
| 01:35.17 | Lunessa | ... |
| 01:35.49 | bleeter | I went to have one, it's when I discovered the water's off |
| 01:37.24 | Gnarfoz | blech |
| 01:37.39 | Gnarfoz | hp5 was... neat, but at the same time, very abridged |
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| 01:40.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | can i override smart self cast with specific spells in a macro? |
| 01:42.14 | cog|book | if you specify [target=whatever] i'm pretty sure it should do that without respect to the self-cast key |
| 01:42.27 | Lunessa | Correct. |
| 01:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i'd like to override it if the target is hostile for Rebirth |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i get the nice little glove |
| 01:43.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | because rebirth can't be self cast, and you kinda have to be fast about it |
| 01:43.09 | cog|book | oh... hrm... |
| 01:44.34 | cog|book | maybe.... /cast [help] Rebirth; [target=none] Rebirth |
| 01:46.00 | Lunessa | I must be nuts, or a masochist. 70 Priest, 70 Mage, 70 Warlock, 70 Shaman. |
| 01:46.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep, thanks :D |
| 01:46.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | seems to be working, cog |
| 01:46.09 | cog|book | kewl :) |
| 01:46.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and even better |
| 01:46.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | if target is friendly and alive, i innervate |
| 01:46.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | if friendly and dead, i rebirth |
| 01:46.44 | cog|book | nice :) |
| 01:46.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise i cast rebirth with notarget |
| 01:46.52 | Lunessa | Sweet. |
| 01:46.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks mang |
| 01:46.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 01:47.12 | cog|book | np :) glad my brain was working tonight >< |
| 01:47.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | been trying to streamline that for a while |
| 01:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you kinda have to hurry in most cases to even use rebirth |
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| 01:54.11 | cog|book | Anyone else find typing /SendChatMessage"\n" and reentering your password much faster than waiting for the logout timer? |
| 01:54.43 | cog|book | s/Send/run Send/ |
| 01:54.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that still disconnects you? |
| 01:55.00 | Legorol | woot! EU realms are down, but PTR still up |
| 01:55.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought they fixed that ages ago |
| 01:55.09 | Legorol | there are a whopping 17 people on the PTR |
| 01:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
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| 01:55.54 | Legorol | cog|book: i find Alt+F4, reload WoW the fastest |
| 01:56.36 | cog|book | heh |
| 01:59.08 | Lunessa | Meh, if my AddOn folder didn't make wow take ... oh, 45 seconds extra at login... |
| 01:59.18 | Wobwork | >< |
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| 01:59.42 | Lunessa | I seriously need to "disembed Ace libraries ... |
| 01:59.57 | Thrae | Lunessa: Why? |
| 02:00.23 | Lunessa | Because then I can manage them separately. |
| 02:00.32 | Wobwork | That could make the loading up faster... |
| 02:00.39 | Wobwork | since there would be less folders to deal with |
| 02:00.40 | Thrae | A little bit, yeah |
| 02:01.09 | Wobwork | hehe come on =P the biggest complaint is that all the ace addons use every ace library possible |
| 02:01.14 | Lunessa | I want to get metrics on libraries as opposed to the addon from which it was loaded. And seek optimization. :D |
| 02:01.16 | Wobwork | There'd be heaps of commonality then =) |
| 02:01.31 | Thrae | Wobwork: Actually, I think the files would still be loaded, just the stub would exit out quicker |
| 02:01.38 | Thrae | Lunessa: Ah, well -that- is an excellent reason |
| 02:02.00 | Thrae | Wobwork: Unless the addon uses the new embeds.xml feature, maybe |
| 02:02.01 | Lunessa | <--- Old C programmer, not user dork. :P |
| 02:02.10 | Wobwork | Thrae: Well more in that if you disembed, you won't have a lot of /libs/ folders to scan through on startup (not load) |
| 02:02.15 | Thrae | Lunessa: Brother! |
| 02:02.21 | Thrae | Or Sister! |
| 02:02.26 | Lunessa | Brother. |
| 02:02.31 | Wobwork | (Or both!) |
| 02:02.39 | Thrae | Or Strange Asexual Transvestite Extraterrestial! |
| 02:02.45 | Lunessa | Lunessa is just the character I posted most often from in WoW. |
| 02:03.01 | Thrae | I'm just covering all my bases ;) |
| 02:03.13 | Lunessa | I used to hang on the old EQUI forums as Lothay, and I'm still known as that over at EQTraders. |
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| 02:03.34 | Wobwork | Ageless Faceless, Gender Nonspecific Culturally Aspecific Adventurer Type Person |
| 02:03.41 | Wobwork | Or AFGNCAATP for short |
| 02:03.47 | Lunessa | When I remember to log in and you know, do my moderator duties. |
| 02:03.49 | Thrae | Wobwork: Oh, right, if she deletes the /lib directories entirely, yeah |
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| 02:04.11 | Wobwork | Damnit, I need to go find and install Z:GI again |
| 02:04.19 | Wobwork | best game ever |
| 02:04.20 | Thrae | I merged "Disembedded" with "Standalone" I suppose |
| 02:04.31 | Lunessa | I'm also lazy. I haven't gotten to it 'cause I'd rather be playing. |
| 02:04.44 | Wobwork | reebootle time |
| 02:04.53 | Thrae | Lunessa: I code addons because I'd rather not be playing :D |
| 02:05.17 | bleeter | heh |
| 02:05.20 | Thrae | Except I watch TV because I'm too lazy to code all the time |
| 02:05.21 | Lunessa | I hack addons 'cause it is like a meta-game for me. |
| 02:05.22 | bleeter | I play 'coz I'd rather not code |
| 02:05.37 | Thrae | But then I play WoW when I |
| 02:05.41 | Thrae | But then I play WoW when nothing's good on |
| 02:05.50 | Thrae | I'm a paradox! |
| 02:06.02 | Lunessa | Which is why there's not a single addon published by me... |
| 02:06.04 | Thrae | A paradox wrapped in an enigma sitting in a conumdrum. |
| 02:07.06 | Fin | if a paradox is solved in the woods with noone to witness it - does it make any sound? |
| 02:07.36 | Fin | also: what's the sound of one enigma clapping? |
| 02:08.19 | Lunessa | Fin If a philospher stays up all night wrestling with the basic questions of existence, does he still fail the exam? |
| 02:11.48 | Lunessa | haha... I'm a kind sweet person... |
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| 02:13.13 | Fin | if a philosopher doesn't stay up all night wrestling with the basic questions of existence, is he still a philosopher? |
| 02:13.28 | Fin | and why is blue? |
| 02:16.15 | Lunessa | http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7942/wowscrnshot070907190904lw4.jpg -- this is not half bad. |
| 02:16.44 | Cairenn | Lunessa: indeed |
| 02:17.23 | Fin | gives me the horn |
| 02:17.37 | Fin | the philosophical horn |
| 02:18.51 | Fin | the problem with a layout like that, I find, though, -- actually there are two problems I have mostly |
| 02:19.25 | Fin | first is that with the buttons down in the corner, which looks nice, it means I'm not looking at what's actually going on |
| 02:19.51 | Fin | and the transparent background for the chat frame always seems to mean that I can't read the actual text most of the time |
| 02:19.56 | Fin | it does look lovely though |
| 02:20.50 | Lunessa | Yeah, I have yet to find "the perfect layout" for me. I have a panel behind my chat frame. |
| 02:21.10 | Lunessa | Just enough to add contrast and visual appeal. |
| 02:21.28 | Fin | right now I've sort of got a lot going on in the middle of the screen... too much really, bars and all sorts |
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| 02:21.48 | Fin | done nicely with eepanels and some fading, I reckon it could be quite nice actually |
| 02:22.02 | Fin | not sure I could live with only one chat frame tho |
| 02:22.12 | Lunessa | I use lots of tabs. |
| 02:22.42 | Fin | I used to (I kept running out), but I gradually got rid of them and condensed stuff |
| 02:23.19 | Fin | three is the perfect number for me, but I'd prefer only two -- but definitely not just one (I'd always be missing stuff) |
| 02:23.37 | Fin | I still do have a load of tabs enabled, but I hide the actual tabs and don't really miss them |
| 02:23.58 | Fin | whispers, guild chat, raid / party chat, an "all" tab just in case, combat, general stuff, spam |
| 02:24.04 | Lunessa | I really should have /g on a window of its own; being an officer and the senior-most one online most times makes for a lot of chatter I can't afford to miss. |
| 02:24.35 | Fin | not sure if it would be to your tastes, but Echo is a pretty nice way of avoiding that problem |
| 02:24.40 | Lunessa | The thing is, 1440 x 900 doesn't seem to be enough space for everything, even at .64 UI scaling. |
| 02:24.54 | Lunessa | What's "Echo"? |
| 02:24.57 | Fin | one sec |
| 02:25.16 | Fin | I fixed an old version I had the other day cos I missed it: http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/8171/ |
| 02:25.51 | Fin | basically it lets you specify message types that will appear at the top of the screen |
| 02:25.58 | Fin | (temporarily) |
| 02:26.18 | Lunessa | Ahh. |
| 02:26.29 | Lunessa | Probably not for me, but sounds useful. |
| 02:26.56 | Fin | I have whispers and stuff shown (I was always missing important whispers about stuff in parties in the middle of combat, I just don't realise) |
| 02:27.14 | Fin | fair enough, didn't quite think it fit for you |
| 02:27.40 | Thrae | Fin: Hmmm, I was thinking about retooling VitalWatch to use something like that, but Echo looks too oddly made |
| 02:27.43 | Lunessa | It's a good idea, and if I wasn't trying to figure out how to get crap OFF my screen, it'd rock. |
| 02:28.22 | Fin | Thrae: too oddly? |
| 02:28.36 | Fin | Lunessa: yeah... well, for me, it means I don't have to have a whispers chat frame visible :) |
| 02:28.48 | Thrae | I made VitalWatch for myself, and honestly, I can't play very well without it. Perhaps because of my eyesight, I don't respond to smaller visual cues nearly as fast as audio / larger visual cues. |
| 02:28.54 | Lunessa | Good thing for me I read fast, no? |
| 02:28.56 | Thrae | Fin: Did you make Echo? |
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| 02:29.16 | Fin | Thrae: no, I just fixed it because I used to use it months ago, and missed it |
| 02:29.26 | Thrae | Fin: How much of it did you rewrite? |
| 02:29.27 | Fin | Lunessa: yes, and I'm jealous |
| 02:29.43 | Fin | Thrae: very little, I think, just fixed a couple of smallish errors to get it working again |
| 02:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 02:29.55 | Lunessa | I'm a strange mix of clicking and keyboarding, and I need lots of buttons and visual cues. |
| 02:29.59 | Fin | you don't have worry about offending me; I know my code's shit anyway :) |
| 02:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone remember the rickroll I mentioned earlier? |
| 02:30.08 | Lunessa | <--- |
| 02:30.27 | Thrae | Lunessa: I think my macro + addon use is awesome. I only need like 4 buttons showing at a time, and my screen is mostly empty except for important stuff. |
| 02:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Same guy just replaced all of his roommate's mp3s after 30s with rick astley |
| 02:30.33 | Thrae | Then again, my screen is also 24" wide |
| 02:30.37 | ScytheBlade1 | So 30s of music, bam, rickroll |
| 02:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | On EVERY mp3 |
| 02:30.47 | Lunessa | Thrae: ... |
| 02:30.49 | Thrae | Fin: Well then it's oddly coded and it's not your fault |
| 02:30.55 | Lunessa | I ... hate ... you. |
| 02:30.59 | Thrae | Lunessa: PR / Grid helps a LOT |
| 02:31.09 | Fin | heh, between the two of you you've described how I play - I need larger visual stuff to notice things, my eyesight is crap, and I absolutely have to use both mouse and keyboard the whole time, just one or the other seems weird |
| 02:31.10 | Lunessa | Perfect Raid is love. |
| 02:31.24 | Thrae | Fin: KB turners == teh fail |
| 02:31.27 | Fin | Thrae: I was just curious as to what you meant by "odd" :) |
| 02:31.35 | Lunessa | Every time I use it, I want to kiss Clad. |
| 02:31.51 | Thrae | Fin: A nice way of saying "I don't think it's really coded that well to use any part of it myself" ;) |
| 02:31.52 | Fin | heheh |
| 02:32.04 | Fin | Thrae: ahh, thank you for the clarification |
| 02:32.08 | Fin | interesting |
| 02:32.11 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Good thing you didn't do that to my music... I'm not sure it would be considered justifiable homicide. |
| 02:32.18 | Thrae | Fin: However, I'm sure I have not seen your fixes |
| 02:32.31 | Thrae | Then must make it look like Iriel's code |
| 02:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa, it gets better. His roommate is inviting a girl over, and will be playing music :) |
| 02:32.58 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: LOL - so great. |
| 02:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Timing could not be better |
| 02:33.06 | Thrae | I play Anime OPs & EDs when the girls come over |
| 02:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <[> i think my roommates are planning something romantic |
| 02:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <[> i need to get their mp3s rickrolled stat! |
| 02:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <Nayuki> See you in hell |
| 02:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <[> it'd be fucking hilarious if they put on some shitty love music and then it went to rickroll |
| 02:33.22 | Thrae | They like it |
| 02:33.27 | Fin | Thrae: terrible, I'm sure :) actually I value elegance in code very highly, but I know I am nowhere near experienced enough in Lua to be able to achieve it to a great degree |
| 02:33.35 | Lunessa | Fin - I have CTS in both hands so I use the keyboard for MOST things, but click things which are combat-critical. |
| 02:33.55 | Thrae | Lunessa: Is CTS some type of slang for a--nevermind |
| 02:34.19 | Cairenn | carpel tunnel syndrome |
| 02:34.26 | Lunessa | Cardboard Tube Samurai? No, I have Carpal Tunnell Syndrome. |
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| 02:34.36 | Thrae | Can you get CTS from--nevermind |
| 02:34.39 | Lunessa | And an inability to spell. |
| 02:34.47 | Lunessa | Repetative stress? |
| 02:34.56 | Fin | Lunessa: I'm a big fan of keyboard + mouse keybindings, because (as I see it) it means I don't have to move either hand that far to do stuff |
| 02:35.02 | Cairenn | aka Repetitive Motion injury |
| 02:35.14 | bleeter | aaka Wanker's Cramp |
| 02:35.21 | Lunessa | I think you should be more worried about hairy palms or blindness. |
| 02:35.31 | Thrae | I know what Carpel Tunnel Syndrome is, just never heard to it referred to as "CTS" ;) |
| 02:35.56 | Thrae | Only the back of my hand is extremely hairy...my god, and I thought I knew my body like the back of my hand! |
| 02:36.01 | Lunessa | Fin I use a logitech trackman - 3 buttons (the wheel is programmable as a button) and that's it. |
| 02:36.05 | bleeter | personally, I blame Cide for every CTS sufferer |
| 02:36.13 | bleeter | 'coz.. it's like CTMod, but not |
| 02:36.15 | Lunessa | It's ideal for stress reasons, not so good for buttons. |
| 02:36.18 | Thrae | bleeter: I blame the Home Key Method |
| 02:36.26 | Thrae | Lunessa: Do you use the Home Key Method? |
| 02:36.33 | bleeter | Thrae: you blame Cide for the Home Key Method? |
| 02:36.36 | Fin | I used to spend loads of money on keyboards and mice |
| 02:36.40 | Thrae | bleeter: That too! |
| 02:36.43 | Lunessa | No, I'm a poor typist. 55wpm with 5 fingers. |
| 02:36.52 | Fin | how do you do with 10? |
| 02:36.54 | Fin | heh |
| 02:37.01 | Thrae | Lunessa: Are the other 5--nevermind |
| 02:37.03 | Lunessa | Need 1 hand free for... |
| 02:37.07 | Lunessa | lol |
| 02:37.12 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 02:37.19 | Fin | nowadays though, I just buy the cheap keyboards and the standard optical mice |
| 02:37.22 | Thrae | I get around 100 WPM with both hands, but with one hand, not so much |
| 02:37.23 | Lunessa | No, i just never learned to touch-type and after 20 years it's too late. |
| 02:37.44 | Fin | ~90wpm (~120 if I didn't make any mistakes :) |
| 02:37.51 | Lunessa | make that... 25 years |
| 02:37.52 | bleeter | I learned to 'touch type' by inputting pages and pages and pages of code from computer magazines when i was a kid (ahh, nostalgia) |
| 02:37.56 | Fin | the only useful thing I ever learned from my school |
| 02:38.20 | Thrae | Lunessa: Weird. Most touch typers I know do NOT get Carpel Tunnel Syndrome, because their hands are not in the same position all the time. It's the "Home Key" method (ala, typwriter schools) which really do it. |
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| 02:39.04 | Thrae | Fin: You use the Home Key method? |
| 02:39.10 | Lunessa | Thrae The thing is, doctors aren't sure yet what really causes it. Prior to popular computer, it was mainly butchers and carpenters. |
| 02:39.12 | Fin | hah, I remember, my sister spent a whole day once putting in this example code from the manual of my Amstrad 6128+, she actually got it working (had more stamina than I did, it was huge), I felt so sorry for her when she got all frustrated and turned it off later - she didn't know about the concept of "saving" |
| 02:39.16 | bleeter | ssh, Iriel's here now. so let's not mention it anymore. |
| 02:40.06 | Thrae | Lunessa: Nah, excessive typewriter use can cause it when the typewriters switched from manual new line to automatic, but they didn't last long enough against the new computers that came out shortly thereafter. |
| 02:40.26 | Lunessa | I /concur |
| 02:40.29 | Fin | Thrae: I don't know the term, sorry - but for some reason I'm a natural typist, I remember doing the 6-week course (in the term before I left my school) and was up to about 60wpm after two weeks |
| 02:40.37 | Lunessa | it's just that the causes are still poorly understood. |
| 02:40.46 | Fin | my mother is a Proper Typist |
| 02:40.50 | Lunessa | And there are those who will say it's not a real issue. |
| 02:41.00 | Lunessa | The science is lacking. :p |
| 02:41.09 | Thrae | Lunessa: Most studies I've read have clearly shown that touch typers who don't stay in the same position over the KB for very long are far less prone to Carpel Tunnel Syndrome. |
| 02:41.12 | Fin | when she sees me type she cringes - she does the proper hold-your-fingers-above-the-keyboard-and-drop-them type thing |
| 02:41.17 | Fin | (haha, "type" thing :P) |
| 02:41.33 | Thrae | Lunessa: I have two trigger fingers (my pinkies), and if anyone seriously, I -should- have gotten carpel tunnel syndrome looooooooong ago |
| 02:42.03 | Thrae | Fin: Do you keep your fingers stationed on the "F" and "J" keys (F left, J right)? |
| 02:42.20 | Thrae | Fin: Note -- I do not know if you use Dvorak :D |
| 02:42.32 | Fin | Thrae: yes, and I instinctively look for the bumps on those keys; if I can't find them I'm fucked |
| 02:42.33 | Lunessa | Thrae yes, true. It's just that people in identical circumstances don't always develop it, while others to. it's odd. |
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| 02:42.51 | Fin | Dvorak, pff, I tried it, read about it, doesn't seem to be much difference to be honest |
| 02:42.54 | Thrae | Fin: Weird, that is the "Home Key" method. Your hands normally don't move from the same position very much? |
| 02:43.10 | Thrae | Fin: Well, I wasn't sure if the "Fin" came from being Finish or not. I guess I could have done a /who ;) |
| 02:43.13 | Fin | Thrae: not really, nope |
| 02:43.20 | Lunessa | Most of the time, it's not a problem. I long ago made adjustments to lifestyle and peripherals to make things easier on me. |
| 02:43.21 | Fin | ohh, right, heh :) no, I just like short nicks |
| 02:43.37 | Thrae | Fin: Yeah, then you're a prime candidate for carpel tunnel syndrome. Might just need to get older... |
| 02:44.00 | Wobwork | heh, give it time =P |
| 02:44.13 | Fin | I get tired hands, and sometimes very painful, but I wouldn't define it as carpal tunnel |
| 02:44.17 | Lunessa | I developed it at 23 |
| 02:44.21 | Scumbag | OnUpdate has an argument, called "elapsed" in an addon I'm reading. What exactly is does this represent? Milliseconds? Frames? What? |
| 02:44.31 | Fin | I've been typing for about, uh... 14 years? |
| 02:44.50 | Thrae | Lunessa: I think it has to do with age, exercise strength and flexibility (women generally have less innate strength), and bone density |
| 02:45.21 | Fin | I always used to boast that I had very flexible fingers though, heheh :) bit silly, but I can do all sorts of tricks with bending them and stuff |
| 02:45.21 | Thrae | Fin: And about how many hours does it take before your hands start feeling tired? |
| 02:45.32 | Lunessa | I'm glad my case was caught early, treated non-surgically, and I was able to get on with things. |
| 02:46.05 | Fin | Thrae: depends... if I'm coding, all day, then at the end of the day they'll ache - keep that up for a few days and well, my brain is actually the first thing to go normally |
| 02:46.24 | Thrae | Lunessa: Yeah, I've seen some bad cases. Not pretty. My mother, who's a psychologist and teaches sometimes at a local middle school, actually wanted to know how I avoid carpel tunnel syndrome after spending sometimes 15 hours on a computer per day |
| 02:46.39 | Fin | do you have some secret, then? |
| 02:46.52 | Fin | Thrae: do you use the "home key" method as well? |
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| 02:46.57 | Lunessa | Many doctors would give a lot to know that too. Like I said, the science is lacking. |
| 02:47.06 | Fin | ahh, I see, home key - right, bumps - not the "Home" and "End" keys :) |
| 02:47.09 | Thrae | Fin: Yeah, I usually have almost no pain or stress on a -regular- keyboard even after like 15 hours. This laptop keyboard I'm on right now does give me a little bit of an ache, but I've been on it for about 8 hours. |
| 02:47.38 | Arrowmaster | what else is there besides home row and chicken pecking |
| 02:47.38 | Wobwork | The 'home row' is the a-l' |
| 02:47.41 | Fin | I don't buy expensive keyboards, but I will check four or five before choosing |
| 02:47.44 | Scumbag | Why isn't the SetScript function listed at http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 02:47.46 | Thrae | Fin: Right. That was taught to me (which I discarded) as the "Home Key" method. I got up to 33WPM on it and said "screw it" and went back to my regular 55WPM (at the time) |
| 02:47.59 | Arrowmaster | Scumbag: its in the widget api part |
| 02:48.00 | cog|book | Scumbag: because it's not part of the API |
| 02:48.05 | Wobwork | I have crossover... like with the 'b' key |
| 02:48.07 | Lunessa | And there's a difference between tendoitus (sp?) and CTS |
| 02:48.16 | Wobwork | it's supposed to be pressed with the left hand I think |
| 02:48.23 | Fin | Thrae: actually now I come to think of it, I didn't learn like that - I remember I never understood what "those stupid bumps" were for on the keyboard |
| 02:48.40 | Thrae | Fin: -regular- keyboards, the expensive ones are the "ergonomic" keyboards, which I can't type on -- I keep trying to type in the middle, but the middle doesn't have any keys on an ergonomic keyboard. You could type on one of those, though. It might reduce your aches. |
| 02:48.53 | Wobwork | hehe I learned almost touchtyping by having a 20" CRT monitor |
| 02:48.58 | Fin | you mean those sort of bent ones? |
| 02:48.59 | Lunessa | I love my ergo keyboard. |
| 02:49.02 | Thrae | Fin: Right |
| 02:49.12 | Wobwork | Since I didn't have any deskspace afterwards, I had to put the keyboard on one of those underdesk trays |
| 02:49.18 | Wobwork | and I just left the tray rolled in |
| 02:49.20 | Fin | ew, I hate those things, never got used to them. I'll give it another go though. |
| 02:49.41 | Thrae | I invented my own style of typing because I needed it -- my pinkies, mostly due to my "trigger finger" syndrome, do not have enough power to fully strike a key |
| 02:49.51 | Wobwork | If I use an ergo keyboard, I have to have it at home as well as work |
| 02:49.54 | Thrae | So I type with 8 fingers (and yes, my pinkies are always doing something sexual) |
| 02:49.55 | Fin | personally (and I've never really thought too hard about this), I think it's more to do with the pressure of the keys when you click them, and the distance the key actually goes down |
| 02:50.51 | Thrae | Actually, I -mostly- type with 6 fingers. The ring finger's muscle, as you know, is connected to the pinky's, so it's hard to not use your pinky but use your ring finger. |
| 02:50.56 | Fin | if you end up hitting too hard (because the keys are too soft or too far from the top, or too stiff), or not hitting hard but hitting a hard surface regularly (because the keys are too close to the bottom) it's bad |
| 02:51.09 | Wobwork | there's soemthing satisfying about those machine grade IBM keyboards that go 'CLINK' |
| 02:51.11 | Thrae | I type pretty hard. I love the old clickety-clack IBM keyboards. |
| 02:51.20 | Arrowmaster | i think i probably type a lot different than the 'correct' way when using the home row, i just know where the keys are and hit them with whatever finger i feel like |
| 02:51.31 | Thrae | I think I've destroyed keyboards before with my typing strength. |
| 02:51.35 | Arrowmaster | i also almost always use the left shift |
| 02:51.40 | Wobwork | FINGARS OF STEEL |
| 02:51.50 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Pretty much same here, but I have a bit of a pattern I follow |
| 02:51.57 | Fin | Thrae: huh, I don't use my pinkies much at all |
| 02:52.09 | Thrae | Fin: Pinkies are necessarily for full "Home Key" power |
| 02:52.15 | Wobwork | yeah I use pinkies a lot |
| 02:52.18 | Scumbag | Hey, is there any chance I could get a guild invite to Register For Save? |
| 02:52.39 | Fin | I mean, I do use them... hmm.. this is an interesting conversation, I've never really thought about this much |
| 02:52.43 | Thrae | Scumbag: Of course! Your name sounds so trustworthy, so we can tell you're a top 'ol sport! |
| 02:52.57 | Scumbag | The name of my character is "Crotch" |
| 02:53.18 | Thrae | Fin: Think about this -- try to really think hard about how -exactly- you type, and how -exactly- you know which key to press down on...and watch your WPM drop until you snap out of it! |
| 02:53.26 | Fin | Thrae: yeah, I know - I make a lot of mistakes, with a bit part of them involving words needing pinkiage |
| 02:53.34 | Lunessa | I should make a guild called dev null |
| 02:53.48 | Fin | Thrae: oh god yeah! I've done that one before :) it's horrible |
| 02:53.50 | Thrae | Lunessa: Developers already have two guilds on a server -- "Register For Save", and, uh, one other |
| 02:53.51 | Fin | but that's how my mother types! |
| 02:54.01 | Fin | she was a Secretary in a Typing Pool and all that |
| 02:54.02 | bleeter | Lunessa: GM should be called 'clue' ;) |
| 02:54.11 | Arrowmaster | one of the things i dislike about keyboards his the way the keys are staggered, its good for the right hand but hell for the left hand |
| 02:54.15 | Scumbag | Are these guilds on ALL servers or just... whatever that one is called, I forget |
| 02:54.49 | Fin | I'm sure everyone knows this, but the Qwerty keyboard is actually, by design, one of the least efficient layouts possible |
| 02:54.55 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 02:55.11 | N|Tivoli | that's because old computers couldn't keep up with people's typing speed ^^ |
| 02:55.20 | cog|book | Do all units have a class according to the API? |
| 02:55.22 | Lunessa | Because on mechanical typewriters it was possible to jame the striker arms by typing too quickly. |
| 02:55.40 | Wobwork | N|Tivoli: >< |
| 02:55.40 | Thrae | Fin: I couldn't use anything else after 20 years |
| 02:55.45 | N|Tivoli | hehe |
| 02:55.50 | Arrowmaster | i tried switching to dovorak once with my friend, we both gave up because we felt like retards when we kept looking down at the keys and the labels were wrong |
| 02:56.01 | Wobwork | worst misinterpretation of reasons ever =P |
| 02:56.03 | N|Tivoli | it takes a bit to switch |
| 02:56.10 | Fin | however, I think that's all a load of cock *anyway*, because a) there's a limit to how fast my fingers can move, and it's about how fast they're going right now (so it doesn't matter if there were a more efficient keyboard); and b) once you get used to a layout, your natural skill evolves to fit the layout |
| 02:56.10 | Scumbag | So how could I go about getting an invite to Register for Save? |
| 02:56.12 | cog|book | I use Dvorak |
| 02:56.18 | Lunessa | Same reason phone keypads are reversed from 10-key |
| 02:56.39 | Wobwork | I'd like to actually try dvorak |
| 02:56.46 | Wobwork | I tried that other format that's flaoting around |
| 02:56.50 | Fin | Thrae: have you tried Dvorak? I was quite lucky, I lived in France for a while and got used to Azerty |
| 02:56.51 | Wobwork | I can't recall what it's caleld |
| 02:57.02 | Wobwork | Colman? |
| 02:57.09 | Wobwork | Col something |
| 02:57.18 | Fin | when I went back to Qwerty (which seemed weird after Azerty) I decided to try Dvorak before I got too used to anything |
| 02:57.31 | bleeter | I didn't mind Azerty, or the one the German's use. Having to code on Zerty, Qwerty and German, practically simultaneously, though, was a pain |
| 02:57.54 | Thrae | Fin: No, but I'm 99% sure without trying, and I'm not being defeatist, that I would fail. I can't even use Ergo keyboards, even being forced to use one for days at a time, how can I ever really learn Dvorak up to my current level? |
| 02:58.13 | Fin | the fucking Czechs man, they piss me off though :) they have the z and y keys swapped, and the number row is all letters with diacritics |
| 02:58.19 | Fin | I swear they just do it to be awkward |
| 02:58.48 | Fin | Thrae: heh, fair enough - and anyway, there's no need |
| 02:58.56 | Thrae | Fin: My method involves having literally memorized where all the keys are on the keyboard as a child, and I'm proverbially, but almost literally, an old dog who new tricks cannot be taught to. |
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| 02:59.20 | Lunessa | Thrae welcome to my world |
| 02:59.47 | Fin | heheh |
| 03:00.03 | Arrowmaster | from what i remember of dovorak it didnt look that great for programing (not that qwerty is either though) because of the special character placements |
| 03:00.17 | Fin | you know, it's weird, and I should probably just keep this to myself, but for some reason I decided to learn the order of the keys in sequence, and you can actually say them |
| 03:00.44 | Fin | kwerteeooeeop azzduffguhuhjuhkul zuxxkuvbunumm |
| 03:01.10 | Fin | the bit I should keep to myself is that it really amuses me to say that out loud |
| 03:01.13 | Fin | heheh |
| 03:01.15 | Thrae | Now, for an Undead Joke! Why is the reason you rarely see Undead kids? ... Undead Relative (to the two undead parents and their baby) : "My, that little bag of bones sure does have yer eyes there, George!"; George: "Yes, and I'd wish he'd give 'em back already!" |
| 03:01.38 | Fin | -3/+7 points |
| 03:01.48 | abug | modding parent down |
| 03:01.50 | Fin | -n+h |
| 03:02.32 | Fin | did you hear about the teacher with a squint? |
| 03:02.36 | Fin | she wasn't very good |
| 03:02.41 | Fin | couldn't control her pupils |
| 03:03.04 | Lunessa | ~whaleslap Fin |
| 03:03.14 | purl | ACTION beats Fin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:03.41 | abug | ~whaleparry purl |
| 03:03.42 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry purl's attacks. |
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| 03:06.44 | Wobwork | lucky floor |
| 03:07.06 | Fin | Thrae: I see what you mean about Echo's code |
| 03:07.53 | Fin | Thrae: still, it worked with very little fixin, I find it hard to bash stuff that doesn't break easily |
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| 03:10.22 | Thelyna | I just picked up S2 arena chest today (holy paladin), has two red and one yellow socket (with a spell crit rating socket bonus) - should I go +heal/+heal+/+resil, or something else? (purely for arena/pvp usage) |
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| 03:10.55 | Fin | hmm |
| 03:11.05 | Fin | I might add an echo module for Prat, actually |
| 03:11.57 | Fin | incidentally I do wince internally when I think of new stuff for Prat, but... when the choice is not have a tweak / feature / twiddly thing, or have it... I want it |
| 03:12.18 | Fin | not that I'm exactly a monster contributor, or anything |
| 03:13.18 | Lunessa | I will lay odds that most of the regulars here contribute FAR more code than I do. I just write macros for people, or expalin why they can't do something deliberately broken by Blizzard. :D |
| 03:14.08 | Fin | Macros for the People |
| 03:14.12 | Fin | viva la revolucion |
| 03:14.21 | Lunessa | Macros for the Proletariat. |
| 03:15.23 | Thrae | Fin: I dunno about cheap keyboards, I use a G15 + 5-button scroll wheel mouse (opt.) + 24" vertical LCD/HDTV w/ PiP |
| 03:15.45 | Lunessa | zomg monitor envy |
| 03:16.11 | Fin | Thrae: see, I'd love one of those G15s, but I can tell you right now I would break it soon enough for it to not be worth getting it in the first place |
| 03:16.24 | Fin | before it didn't matter if I broke it, standard mice and keyboards were so shitty that it mattered |
| 03:16.36 | Arrowmaster | maybe i should get a new keyboard soon, my saitek eclipse doesnt seem a bright as it used to |
| 03:16.45 | Fin | but I reckon the cheap models these days are easily good enough :) |
| 03:17.28 | Thrae | "he Warlock spell Incinerate has had the performance of its graphical spell effect improved." <-- AND YOU SAID WARLOCKS WERE GETTING NERFED IN 2.1.3! |
| 03:17.42 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 03:17.52 | Wobwork | omg nerf warlocks |
| 03:17.57 | Arrowmaster | Fin: www.daskeyboard.com i'd like to see you break on of those from normal use |
| 03:18.21 | Fin | I used to class keyboards, mice, and headphones in the category of "commodity items that have been around long enough that the cheap ones are good enough", but I bought some Sennheiser headphones a couple of months ago |
| 03:18.23 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 03:18.27 | Wobwork | "...with its new gold-plated and clicky high-end mechanical key switches" |
| 03:18.34 | Wobwork | love the technical terminology |
| 03:18.36 | Fin | Arrowmaster: are they immune to bear? |
| 03:18.45 | Arrowmaster | bear? |
| 03:18.49 | Thrae | "The "show launcher" option has changed so that it now defaults to "on". Players will now see the launcher when running WOW by default." <-- Does ANYONE *like* the Launcher?! |
| 03:18.59 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: no |
| 03:19.16 | Fin | err |
| 03:19.19 | Fin | beer? |
| 03:19.22 | Wobwork | oh I'm tempted |
| 03:19.24 | Arrowmaster | doubtful |
| 03:19.26 | Fin | obviously *I'm* not immune to beer |
| 03:19.42 | Wobwork | but shipping to over here would be painful |
| 03:19.48 | bleeter | Thrae: launcher is pointless to me |
| 03:19.54 | Thrae | 2.1.3 Patch Notes should just read, "We had a few good changes here, but we won't list them because the others will just piss you off." |
| 03:20.06 | Iriel | I like the launcher |
| 03:20.17 | Wobwork | "Australian: get it from AUSPC Market Online and get express kanguru delivery." |
| 03:20.20 | Iriel | Because when the PTR is live it's easy to pick which version I want |
| 03:20.42 | Fin | Thrae: I would put money on that being the result of an extended period of painful discussion between multiple departments, with the driving force being sales who have some execs on their side |
| 03:20.51 | Thrae | Iriel: You don't count, you've been contaminated by being so close with the innards of Blizzard. |
| 03:21.09 | Fin | and Iriel |
| 03:21.12 | Thrae | In fact...how do I know you're not already an employee of Blizzard? |
| 03:21.26 | Iriel | I dont live in the right place? |
| 03:21.30 | Iriel | And i'm not. |
| 03:22.04 | bleeter | Iriel: meh, for me, alias wowtest='/usr/bin/wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/World\ of\ Warcraft/WoWTest/WoW.exe' is more than enough than using the method you suggest :P |
| 03:23.32 | Fin | I hate backslashes |
| 03:23.50 | Fin | er, nothing personal bleeter |
| 03:24.02 | Iriel | Bleeter only needed backslashes to escape his spaces |
| 03:24.04 | Lunessa | mmm... beer. |
| 03:24.17 | Fin | IFS ftw! |
| 03:24.23 | Lunessa | Maybe I should drink beer tonight instead of playing WoW. |
| 03:24.28 | Fin | instead of? |
| 03:24.45 | Lunessa | As in go out to drink beer. |
| 03:24.53 | Fin | huh |
| 03:25.10 | Fin | I've heard of this "out" of which you speak... intriguing - tell me more |
| 03:25.37 | Thrae | Iriel: Aha! My hacker powers tell me you're in California! And Blizzard is in California! |
| 03:26.17 | Fin | actually I take that back, I actually like going out and think it's both big and clever to get violently drunk at pubs with your friends (as long as you don't piss anyone else off like those fuckin stag parties here) |
| 03:26.24 | Fin | actually |
| 03:26.40 | Thrae | Iriel: You are within 770x250 miles from Blizzard! Admit it! |
| 03:26.49 | Thrae | Wait, 250x770 |
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| 03:27.34 | Thrae | He's not answering...mwhaha, fear my assumptions! |
| 03:28.30 | Thrae | I would drive up to 100 miles to work over at Mythic Entertainment, if they would offer me something better then a CS job. |
| 03:28.32 | cog|book | anyone know of an addon that will automatically put you on DND when you are no longer AFK? |
| 03:28.56 | Thrae | cog|book: That's too specific and cool to be made by anyone other then someone absolutely new at coding |
| 03:29.01 | Thrae | cog|book: IE, it's on curse somewhere |
| 03:29.03 | Fin | I know of an addon that puts you on DND while you're in combat |
| 03:29.33 | cog|book | meh... i'll just hack it into LuaSlinger |
| 03:29.50 | Fin | LuaSlinger? |
| 03:29.56 | Fin | I suppose I should google this |
| 03:30.05 | cog|book | :P |
| 03:30.19 | Lunessa | ... sorry had to go AFK to close up shop and prepare a machine to leave the building. |
| 03:30.37 | Thrae | Lunessa: I want a job where I can IRC at work. |
| 03:30.49 | Lunessa | Go to work for a university. |
| 03:30.59 | Thrae | Lunessa: Do you have any naked pictures I could blackmail you with, stealing your job? |
| 03:31.11 | Fin | cog|book: are you a curse or a wowi or a ui guy, can I ask? wowi, right? |
| 03:31.18 | Thrae | Scratch that thought. Do you have any naked pictures of your mother, if she's under...60? |
| 03:31.22 | Thunder_Child | carefull Thrae, it may backfire |
| 03:31.31 | Thrae | I think I could still blackmail you with those. |
| 03:31.32 | Wobwork | >< |
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| 03:31.39 | Wobwork | KE-DASKEYBOARD2 Price ex GST - $158.00 Price inc GST - $173.80 |
| 03:31.42 | Fin | Thunder_Child: you shouldn't refer to Lunessa's mother as "it"! |
| 03:31.43 | Wobwork | whimper |
| 03:31.46 | cog|book | Fin: wowi & curse |
| 03:31.50 | Fin | k |
| 03:31.52 | Wobwork | I so can't afford that |
| 03:32.33 | Fin | . o O ( Wobwork... this is your brain... b u y t h e s h i n y t h i n g ... ) |
| 03:32.59 | cog|book | Wowi 'cause i love it, curse 'cause 1) it's easy to post my readmes since I can just copy/paste HTML, and 2) the localization checkboxes. |
| 03:33.05 | Tem | cog|book, local f = CreateFrame("Frame") f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM") f:SetScript("OnEvent",function(self,event,arg1) if arg1 == "You are no longer AFK." then SendChatMessage("","DND") end end) |
| 03:33.14 | Wobwork | Fin: I accept donations of keyboard |
| 03:33.23 | cog|book | tem, already there :P |
| 03:33.24 | Fin | cog|book: you know that LuaSlinger is only on ui? :) |
| 03:33.32 | cog|book | Fin yeah :) |
| 03:33.37 | cog|book | it's not mine |
| 03:33.40 | Fin | heh, k :) |
| 03:34.13 | Thrae | cog|book: Can LuaSlinger respond to any event with the code you give it, or just load crap on startup? |
| 03:34.14 | cog|book | but it has a scripts tab where you can easily write or paste code and tell it what events to run it on |
| 03:34.18 | Fin | OK I think I'm justified at this point in asking for a URL or some other reference point wrt LuaSlinger :) |
| 03:34.28 | Thrae | Ah, you just answered my question |
| 03:34.31 | cog|book | Thrae: both plus running code on demand |
| 03:34.41 | Thrae | cog|book: Did you code it? |
| 03:34.46 | cog|book | no |
| 03:34.49 | Thrae | Who then? |
| 03:34.53 | Fin | cog|book: is there a URL or some other reference point where I can read about your LuaSlinger? |
| 03:35.00 | Fin | oh! |
| 03:35.04 | Fin | it's not yours... right! |
| 03:35.07 | Thrae | I always look at the code before I use an addon :D |
| 03:35.09 | cog|book | I've been using it religiously for a year and a half or so :P |
| 03:35.12 | Fin | OK that took a while for brain duh whu? |
| 03:35.19 | cog|book | hehe |
| 03:37.16 | cog|book | Woah... Tem, you vicariously crashed wow... |
| 03:37.27 | Tem | sweet |
| 03:37.57 | cog|book | anyway... time for horror movie with the mrs :) |
| 03:38.06 | Fin | oh come on |
| 03:38.09 | Fin | I'm sure she's not that bad |
| 03:38.15 | Fin | (sorry!) |
| 03:38.21 | Guillotine | lol :P |
| 03:38.27 | cog|book | O.O |
| 03:39.30 | Thrae | cogwheel|away: Looked at LuaSlinger's code, not the greatest, could definately be worse. Probably just suffers from being made long ago and the author losing interest. |
| 03:39.49 | Thrae | It's pretty darn tiny, except for the evil, evil XML |
| 03:40.25 | cogwheel|away | XML ftw |
| 03:40.27 | cogwheel|away | :P |
| 03:40.36 | cogwheel|away | actually i've never looked at its code |
| 03:41.05 | cogwheel|away | It works, doesn't crash, doesn't bog me down... i don't really care if it's ......... [stops ranting before wife starts] |
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| 03:42.04 | Nom- | "You cannot Block while mounted." <-- that seems to be false, at least for flying mounts |
| 03:42.25 | Nom- | I've seen blocks come up in my SCT while getting hit by birds in Skettis |
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| 03:45.41 | bleeter | What? Flying from Winterspring to Astranaar goes via Azshara, not the new Alliance Felwood FP? MAD! |
| 03:46.25 | Nom- | There's a new FP in Felwood ? |
| 03:46.56 | bleeter | Nom-: Emerald Sanctuary now has an FP |
| 03:47.36 | bleeter | tho, iirc, still no fireplace or vendor let alone repair person |
| 03:47.55 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 03:48.05 | bleeter | Tem: what's up? |
| 03:48.18 | Tem | I really, really, really hate it when people blame a patch for things that have nothing to do with the patch |
| 03:48.33 | bleeter | indeed |
| 03:48.38 | bleeter | when we know it's all Cide's fault |
| 03:48.45 | Cide | yep |
| 03:48.48 | Cide | what's my fault btw? |
| 03:49.39 | Tem | "Blizzard made it so I can't use vent while wow has the focus in the patch" |
| 03:49.39 | bleeter | everything |
| 03:49.39 | Tem | NO THEY DIDN'T YOU FUCKTARD |
| 03:49.39 | Tem | ugh |
| 03:49.39 | bleeter | wtf |
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| 03:49.49 | bleeter | Nom-: just went there, both Alli and Horde have FP in Sth Felwood |
| 03:50.17 | bleeter | Kirkburn having an identity crisis? |
| 03:50.26 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 03:50.28 | bleeter | he shoulda been here couple hours ago, had discussion that would've helped him |
| 03:51.16 | Kirkburn | It was so I could log into my other PC's IRC without getting auto kicked :D |
| 03:51.36 | Thrae | Kirkburn: omg, learn to "screen"! |
| 03:51.54 | bleeter | Thrae: that'd involve ditching his beloved Vista |
| 03:52.05 | Thrae | bleeter: He has 2 computers |
| 03:52.17 | Thrae | I pray he does not have Vista on both -- that's legal insanity |
| 03:52.18 | Kirkburn | rawr |
| 03:52.36 | Kirkburn | Damn useful for multitasking |
| 03:52.44 | Kirkburn | But no, only XP on this one |
| 03:52.47 | Thrae | Even I have 2 Windows machines (one laptop, not much choice), but I also have 2 Linux machines |
| 03:52.49 | Kirkburn | Hence, er, the Vista tag on the other |
| 03:53.03 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Turn that XP machine into an Ubuntu workstation, since you already have a Windows machine |
| 03:53.33 | Kirkburn | Well, it does need a reinstall |
| 03:55.04 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Dual boot my friend, dual boot. You shall find yourself in LOVE with Linux. You shall. |
| 03:55.20 | Kirkburn|Vista | But that's scary :( |
| 03:55.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | Argh, double pinging ftl |
| 03:56.10 | bleeter | it's possible that Kirkburn could love Linux. After all, he loves another certain pile of sewerage :P |
| 03:56.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's a Dell laptop - would that be okay for it? |
| 03:56.37 | Kirkburn|Vista | What, the iPhone? :O :O :O :O :O |
| 03:57.33 | bleeter | Kirkburn: did you see the iPhone blender video? |
| 03:58.05 | Kirkburn | lol no |
| 03:58.08 | Kirkburn | link, link! |
| 03:58.13 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI |
| 03:58.15 | Kirkburn | Does it blend I wonder |
| 03:58.27 | bleeter | oooh, does it blend! |
| 04:00.02 | Kirkburn | Yes! It blends! |
| 04:00.39 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:00.57 | abug | that's like the guy who bought a 360 just to smash it on the street |
| 04:01.41 | bleeter | I wanna know if the Blue Gene/P will blend :( |
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| 04:31.27 | batrick | was there a .toc change this patch? |
| 04:33.43 | Iriel | there shouldn't have been, no |
| 04:38.49 | bleeter | wow, nelf mage anims are fucked up |
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| 04:47.36 | bleeter | mm, yeah, I love blowing cone of cold out the side of my ass lol |
| 04:49.23 | Scumbag | anyone here? |
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| 05:30.59 | Nom- | wtb instnace runs lol |
| 05:31.16 | Nom- | Anyone had trouble finding groups for 68-70 dungeons lately / |
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| 05:34.54 | Arrowmaster | i havent done a 5 man in.... god i cant even remember now |
| 05:35.07 | Arrowmaster | mostly because my server is full of morons so i wont pug |
| 05:35.12 | bleeter | 5mans are dead. given the amount of effort etc., required, many people just go arena |
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| 05:40.08 | Nom- | Yeah, I know, but still |
| 05:40.32 | Nom- | I'm trying to fill out my protection, retribution and shockadin gear sets |
| 05:40.39 | Nom- | My healing set is the only one which is decent |
| 05:40.45 | Recluse | Nom-: I have trouble finding groups for anything over 65 on my realm (outside of guild that is) |
| 05:40.48 | Nom- | By decent, I mean I have full epics :) |
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| 06:14.47 | Mike-N-Go | Has /castqueue been removed? |
| 06:15.31 | Arrowmaster | you mean /castsequence |
| 06:16.24 | Mike-N-Go | I guess that is why it does not work, I was spleing it wrong.. |
| 06:17.12 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks.. |
| 06:18.22 | Nom- | lollerskates |
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| 06:22.22 | norganna | Spelling it wrong? or typing completely the wrong thing? |
| 06:31.29 | Nom- | Well, more |
| 06:31.32 | Nom- | Probably 1000g :D |
| 06:31.35 | Nom- | So happy |
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| 06:43.54 | ckknight | Nom-: share the wealth |
| 06:49.15 | Nom- | lol I'm not wealthy |
| 06:49.23 | Nom- | I have a 4000g loan to pay back :P |
| 06:49.41 | Nom- | farming with an epic mount is quicker though, that's all |
| 06:49.45 | Nom- | questing too |
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| 06:59.31 | Thrae | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=Phoenix&state=MD&zipcode=21131 |
| 06:59.32 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/28j3ag |
| 06:59.35 | Thrae | Uber. |
| 07:00.18 | ckknight | Thrae: shouldn't you have a command to turn it to tinyurl? |
| 07:00.32 | ckknight | like !tinyurl http://longurlhere/ |
| 07:04.43 | Thrae | ckknight: It's for the convience of clients that don't have clickable links (so copying can be a pain), as it only does it for links > 50 characters (after http://) |
| 07:04.59 | Thrae | ckknight: !t <url> also exists |
| 07:05.07 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:05.11 | ckknight | !t http://www.google.com/ |
| 07:05.13 | ThraeBot | ckknight: http://tinyurl.com/161 |
| 07:05.20 | ckknight | shiny |
| 07:05.35 | Thrae | !char us maelstrom thrae |
| 07:05.37 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Thrae, Level 59 Night Elf Druid (1/41/8). 4043 HP; 2899 Mana; 193 Str; 233 Agi; 2021 Armour; +14.25% melee crit; 96 +heal; 19.62% dodge; +15 all resists (+10 nature). [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2nf4c2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3y7gvx ]] |
| 07:05.40 | Thrae | It's also used in situations like that |
| 07:05.53 | Thrae | But that's not much use for this server :D |
| 07:05.58 | Thrae | Err, this channel |
| 07:06.08 | ckknight | !t http://www.meatspin.com/ |
| 07:06.09 | ThraeBot | ckknight: http://tinyurl.com/cx7h8 |
| 07:06.35 | Guillotine | !char us draenor Guillotine |
| 07:06.38 | ThraeBot | Guillotine: Guillotine, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/46/15). 10174 HP; 4670 Mana; 282 Str; 326 Agi; 4118 Armour; 6 mp5; 854 AP; +15.6% melee crit; 51 +heal; +85 defense; 22.91% dodge; +25 resilience. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/38a4u3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/22da6p ]] |
| 07:08.32 | Guillotine | Thrae: you going to be able to leave it in here even when you're not on? |
| 07:08.56 | Thrae | Guillotine: Runs off my server, which is up 99% of the time (might go down tomorrow due to t-storm, but hey, what ya gunna do) |
| 07:09.09 | Guillotine | then you have to add a lua script to it |
| 07:09.16 | Thrae | It IS written in Lua |
| 07:09.17 | Guillotine | since we don't have one up 24/7 |
| 07:09.22 | Guillotine | I mean a way for us to compile lua |
| 07:09.28 | Guillotine | well, execute code |
| 07:09.35 | Thrae | Oh, well, cladbot is usually around now |
| 07:09.37 | Guillotine | hmm, can I see your script pastied? |
| 07:09.45 | Guillotine | just interested in how you did it :) |
| 07:09.47 | Guillotine | luasocket? |
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| 07:10.21 | Thrae | Guillotine: Yep, pure tcp goodness, and http for the various website replies |
| 07:10.47 | Guillotine | never spent the time to read about tcp |
| 07:10.47 | Thrae | You'll have to ask foxlit if me giving the code out is OK, since he wrote part of the core |
| 07:10.53 | Guillotine | ah, ok |
| 07:11.04 | Thrae | I'm in the process of re-writing it, but it's not all mine yet |
| 07:11.29 | Guillotine | only part of lua socket I've used is the http for scanning the armory and turning the data into an addon |
| 07:11.53 | Thrae | Yeah, !char and !item both scan the armory |
| 07:11.58 | Thrae | !item claw of the phoenix |
| 07:12.00 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: Claw of the Phoenix; Rarity: Purple; BoP; 98 - 183 dmg; 1.5 delay; 93.666664 dps; +28 Stamina; +20 Agility; Requires L70; 75 Durability; Equip: Increases attack power by 38.; Drops off: Al'ar (Tempest Keep); Drop Rate: Low. [[ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29948 ]] |
| 07:12.22 | Thrae | That shows wowhead because wowhead is a short URL :D |
| 07:12.50 | Thrae | !api UnitDamage |
| 07:12.51 | ThraeBot | Thrae: lowDmg, hiDmg, offlowDmg, offhiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percentmod = UnitDamage("unit"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDamage |
| 07:13.35 | Guillotine | now that is nice |
| 07:13.40 | Guillotine | what if there are multiple results? |
| 07:13.46 | Guillotine | !api message |
| 07:13.47 | ThraeBot | Guillotine: message("text"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_message |
| 07:14.01 | Guillotine | hmm, bad test |
| 07:14.02 | Thrae | Guillotine: !api is very simplistic ;) |
| 07:14.16 | Thrae | It searches if API_<foo> exists |
| 07:14.21 | Guillotine | ah, ok |
| 07:14.25 | Guillotine | same with !item? |
| 07:14.44 | Thrae | Yes, all of them are pretty simplistic, since the query options for the armory is open |
| 07:15.22 | Thrae | IE, it goes in the pattern of http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/charactersheet.xml?r=maelstrom&n=thrae |
| 07:15.23 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/27kdmq |
| 07:15.52 | Thrae | OK, that wasn't the right URL |
| 07:15.54 | Thrae | But you get the idea |
| 07:16.23 | Thrae | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=lightninghoof&n=papadoc |
| 07:16.24 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/37szfj |
| 07:17.30 | Corrodias | tried the shartuul event for the first time tonight |
| 07:17.44 | Corrodias | i wasn't adequately prepared for the very last boss, having no experience |
| 07:20.57 | Guillotine | the one time I've gotten the rune it bugged and everything despawned for no reason -_- |
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| 07:22.54 | Guillotine | Thrae: now make it so you can search for an addon and it returns results on WoWAce, WoWI, and Curse |
| 07:23.26 | Thrae | Guillotine: I think they'd kill me, but I can take a look |
| 07:23.34 | Guillotine | Thrae: why? |
| 07:23.39 | Thrae | Parsing HTML is a bitch though |
| 07:23.46 | Guillotine | with curse at least, you can get those results in XML |
| 07:23.50 | Thrae | Guillotine: Extra traffic ;) |
| 07:23.50 | Guillotine | nah, not too bad |
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| 07:24.42 | Guillotine | well, I can only speak for Curse, but thats what we have all those services for ;) |
| 07:25.25 | Guillotine | when you're not loading images or anything and you're just loading 1 page... |
| 07:26.11 | Guillotine | its really not using much bandwith at all |
| 07:26.59 | Thrae | Guillotine: true. |
| 07:27.27 | Thrae | Either way, I'll look into it... |
| 07:27.33 | Guillotine | awesome XD |
| 07:27.48 | Guillotine | I have a python bot that does it, but I don't care to leave my computer running |
| 07:28.28 | Thrae | Guillotine: Heh, well this is a server which stores data for all the computers in my home, web server (LAMP), etc. |
| 07:29.09 | Guillotine | hmm, I suppose I could see if I can get my script to run on mine |
| 07:29.20 | Wobwork | Thrae: hm, that sounds good |
| 07:29.23 | Guillotine | would rather convert it to lua anyway though. lua > python |
| 07:29.36 | Wobwork | and the funky tinyrulising would certainly be useful |
| 07:30.25 | Thrae | http://www.supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.com |
| 07:30.34 | Thrae | Heh, not long enough :D |
| 07:31.54 | bleeter | best PvP toon name I've ever seen -> Señorpwnface |
| 07:32.52 | Nom- | reported! |
| 07:33.14 | Nom- | Not allowed to use 'ñ' in names :P |
| 07:33.49 | Wobwork | www.antidisestablishmentariansism.com is still free |
| 07:33.54 | Wobwork | grab it while you can! |
| 07:34.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:35.03 | Nom- | Man, now that I know how easy arena points are, I wish I'd participated last season :( |
| 07:35.26 | Nom- | Our two highest DPS guild members are all in Arena gear |
| 07:36.18 | Nom- | How foolish I was to think that grinding Karazhan, heroics and dungeons would get me good gear :( |
| 07:37.23 | Nom- | scaaary... our MT has been PvPing heaps lately...he's got (unbuffed) 1660 AP, 32% crit, 11k hitpoints, 118 hit rating :O |
| 07:37.37 | Thrae | Nom-: What |
| 07:37.53 | Thrae | Nom-: !char <us/eu> <server> <character name> |
| 07:38.02 | Thrae | Lemme see |
| 07:38.08 | Nom- | !char us Stormscale Viorate |
| 07:38.10 | ThraeBot | Nom-: Viorate, Level 70 Orc Warrior (33/25/3). 11104 HP; 538 Str; 9759 Armour; 1660 AP; +32.07% melee crit; 6.09% dodge; 5% block; +246 resilience. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2nd22g ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/225pvp ]] |
| 07:38.29 | Thrae | He looks like tha hurt |
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| 07:38.44 | Nom- | mortal strike hybrid build at the moment :( |
| 07:38.54 | Nom- | Can you say "ouch" ? |
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| 07:52.22 | Corrodias | i think i've got the hang of all the fights before shartuul himself, but on that last one, i forgot the vital step of removing my debuffs and i screwed up the health-regaining trick |
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| 08:02.14 | Nom- | wtf is it with people copying my character names ??? |
| 08:02.33 | Nom- | Someone has rolled a NElf priest with the same name as my BElf Hunter |
| 08:02.44 | Nom- | And I chose that name...it wasn't a game generated one |
| 08:04.44 | krka | was your name legolas? |
| 08:04.49 | krka | admit it, it was, wasn't it? |
| 08:08.42 | AnduinLothar | rofl krka |
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| 08:21.05 | Nom- | No, krka |
| 08:27.51 | zenzelezz | Healgolas? |
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| 10:06.00 | Yinxie | Hey all |
| 10:06.31 | Yinxie | guys how do i print a chat message? is it CHAT_MSG_GENERAL_ but then what? |
| 10:12.24 | KriLL3 | you mean actual chat msg into a channel like general or just display it in the chat frame? |
| 10:12.59 | Yinxie | well either of them |
| 10:13.05 | Yinxie | i have this IF, and i want to test it |
| 10:13.12 | KriLL3 | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("insert something here") <-- just displays it to you |
| 10:13.39 | Yinxie | okey |
| 10:13.49 | Yinxie | YES I JUST DID IT :D |
| 10:13.56 | KriLL3 | O_o |
| 10:14.12 | Yinxie | working on Necrosis |
| 10:14.22 | Yinxie | and was trying to make a cooldown for the use healthstone |
| 10:15.35 | KriLL3 | Necrosis? Isn't there half a million forks of that already? |
| 10:15.40 | Yinxie | lol |
| 10:15.47 | Yinxie | all unmaintained ye |
| 10:16.05 | Yinxie | im just modifying it for myself :) |
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| 10:55.30 | Yinxie | Krill u use the addon yourself? |
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| 11:12.36 | Yinxie | okey im off..no more addon work today.. time for some daily's and AV's |
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| 11:51.13 | foxlit | Hm, quick question: did someone already write a "Yes, I'm sure I want to buy that non-refundable token-payed epic" addon? |
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| 13:35.16 | TS|Skrom_ | morning all you crazy cats |
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| 13:36.14 | zenzelezz | I am not a crazy cat; I am in fact a cool cat... so my Aussie friend told me |
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| 13:37.17 | TS|Skrom | haw |
| 13:37.28 | TS|Skrom | wait, do aussies have cats? |
| 13:37.33 | TS|Skrom | didn't the dingoes eat em all? |
| 13:37.34 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 13:37.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:37.50 | zenzelezz | I wonder when the last time I found dingo ate X jokes funny was |
| 13:37.59 | TS|Skrom | 1 minute ago |
| 13:38.08 | zenzelezz | I can assure you that is not the case |
| 13:38.18 | TS|Skrom | sad panda |
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| 13:38.30 | zenzelezz | may well be |
| 13:38.42 | zenzelezz | I just find the dingo jokes utterly overused |
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| 13:43.26 | TS|Skrom | they are still fresh to me |
| 13:43.41 | TS|Skrom | mainly because I don't pay attention to what 99% of the chuckleheads on the internet are saying/doing |
| 13:46.40 | TS|Skrom | What would cause a chat log even to not fire? |
| 13:47.01 | zenzelezz | usually that it doesn't occur |
| 13:47.17 | TS|Skrom | I'm been doing some work on my totem timers and very rarely, my totem takes damage and dies, but there's no "Mob hits Totem for x damage" chat line |
| 13:47.26 | TS|Skrom | we're talking maybe 1% of the time if that |
| 13:47.55 | TS|Skrom | I'm trying to consistently duplicate it but so far I've got nothing |
| 13:48.30 | bleeter | well, that's a first for me. An AV with around 30 afkers |
| 13:48.41 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 13:49.06 | bleeter | people who do 0 dmg, 0heal and don't move out of the cave should get a special name tage that they can't turn off 'afker' |
| 13:49.11 | bleeter | *tag |
| 13:49.44 | bleeter | you know, over say 3 consecutive matches, 0dmg 0heal <100yard move = AFKer nameplate, can't participate in a BG for 24 hours. |
| 13:50.22 | nevcairiel | you know, people would just start running to any other cave and hide there until game is over :P |
| 13:50.22 | bleeter | or, say 4 hours, with a special PvP Debuff, say all stats for PvP reduced by 95% |
| 13:51.32 | bleeter | "you haven't seen action in any recent AV, you are being ported to drek|van's room" |
| 13:51.49 | nevcairiel | they should just link honor/reputation gain to actualy proximity of the fight |
| 13:52.27 | bleeter | meh, I doubt they really care though. it's all EotS and Arena these days |
| 13:52.30 | TS|Skrom | tee hee just had a funny thought. |
| 13:52.52 | nevcairiel | arenas pretty much destroyed the funny 5mans imho |
| 13:52.54 | TS|Skrom | http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/4218/ -- Kenco should make this report like 20mb's for omen just as a joke XD |
| 13:53.01 | nevcairiel | everone and their dog does arenas in their non-raiding time |
| 13:53.06 | nevcairiel | no one wants to do 5mans :( |
| 13:53.18 | bleeter | yup |
| 13:53.26 | zenzelezz | instances? |
| 13:53.42 | TS|Skrom | no one wants to do 40 mans either :( |
| 13:53.45 | TS|Skrom | <-- sad |
| 13:54.00 | nevcairiel | what do i care what content, but i pretty much prefer PvE over PvP anytime |
| 13:54.43 | zenzelezz | I'm still doing 5-mans all the time |
| 13:54.57 | nevcairiel | i am not, sadly |
| 13:54.57 | zenzelezz | granted I'm a tank |
| 13:55.02 | TS|Skrom | i do when I can get a group for em |
| 13:55.06 | TS|Skrom | pugs ftw :-/ |
| 13:55.07 | bleeter | another possible solution, entering a BG costs a deposit of Honor. If you haven't 'done enough' (value of this to be ascertained later), lose your deposit |
| 13:55.30 | nevcairiel | I am a healer, granted i am in a raiding guild, no guild member needs anything from 5mans anymore, but i still think its fun :/ |
| 13:55.48 | zenzelezz | same (except the healer part) |
| 13:56.08 | zenzelezz | I can get groups with guildies' alts at times, but mostly semi-PUG |
| 13:56.17 | bleeter | I can't recall last time I got asked for strat/scholo/brs |
| 13:56.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:56.25 | bleeter | last year, definately. |
| 13:56.34 | nevcairiel | same |
| 13:56.38 | TS|Skrom | I got asked to an UBRS the other night oddly enough |
| 13:56.54 | TS|Skrom | 3 level 70's running some mid 50's through and wanted a few more dpsers |
| 13:56.55 | zenzelezz | I get asked to Uldaman and SM all the time |
| 13:57.02 | zenzelezz | usually when I'm in Gruul's Lair or TK |
| 13:57.12 | TS|Skrom | we freakin' wiped just before rend's arena because the retards didn't kill the summoners |
| 13:57.20 | TS|Skrom | had literally 30 summoned mobs running around |
| 13:57.28 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 13:59.36 | Josh_Borke | n00b |
| 14:00.25 | TS|Skrom | I didn't even realize there were summoners at the time, I was fighting one of the dragons... til I saw the third summoned footman charge past me toward the priest... |
| 14:00.49 | TS|Skrom | I started tab cycling and burned down all 3 of the summoners before I got laid low XD |
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| 14:01.09 | TS|Skrom | which was about .5 seconds after the tank finally bit it |
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| 14:04.38 | TS|Skrom | all the slackers and degenerates in my guild you'd think at least one of them would be on this mornign to keep me company |
| 14:20.06 | KriLL3 | for those of you who haven't seen it yet: hilarious video podcast/show http://www.ifc.com/static/sections/gettingawaywithmurder/ |
| 14:20.27 | KriLL3 | a 20~ guy with all the social awkward stuff, and a hitman. |
| 14:20.59 | KriLL3 | calls his mom about being picked up and puts her on hold while shooting a guy in the face XD |
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| 14:47.34 | foxlit | What's the name of the battlefield minimap frame? |
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| 14:58.31 | N00bZXI | MiniMapBattlefieldFrame I believe |
| 15:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | I have developed a hate for broken servers, or servers undergoing inconvenient maintenance. |
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| 15:04.26 | TS|Skrom | poor Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:08.03 | TS|Skrom | there any way to disable that "activate at your own risk" page on the forum? |
| 15:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | I find that if I right click the links and do "open in new browser", 90% of the time it does, without the annoying page. |
| 15:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | < -- is in trouble at work because her e-mail notice of being out sick was eaten by the server undergoing maintenance |
| 15:09.46 | TS|Skrom | ugh |
| 15:11.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah ugh. I notified everyone I could via ICQ as well, but the ONE person who needed the e-mail... server grues did not put it through the queue when the server came back up (as I expected they should have!) |
| 15:14.54 | sioraiocht | > read "4" :: Double |
| 15:15.03 | sioraiocht | oop |
| 15:15.05 | sioraiocht | sorry, wrong room |
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| 15:36.02 | wereHamster | why does the patcher need JavaScript? Why doesn't Blizzard write it in flash? or Web 2.0? |
| 15:36.26 | Lopeppeppy | If a tree falls in the woods, does a blind hamster hear the noise? |
| 15:38.06 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: or Ace |
| 15:41.25 | foxlit | wereHamster: javascript is used to detect which language patch notes to display |
| 15:41.32 | foxlit | It basically reads a browser setting |
| 15:42.07 | TS|Skrom | what's a good place to farm silk besides sm? |
| 15:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Huh... I farm all mine in the Monastery, TS|Skrom. But any mobs of that same/equivalent level would have it. |
| 15:42.58 | Lopeppeppy | I usually use the graveyard at SM to farm it... respawn is my friend. |
| 15:44.32 | TS|Skrom | yeah I usually farm there too, but was wondering if anyone knew a good non elite place XD |
| 15:44.43 | TS|Skrom | casting 3 spells per mob takes longer then casting 1 per lol |
| 15:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | Lazy! *laugh* |
| 15:48.37 | TS|Skrom | heh |
| 15:48.42 | zenzelezz | silk cloth? |
| 15:48.46 | TS|Skrom | just trying to be the most efficient with my time :D |
| 15:48.51 | zenzelezz | humanoids in Searing Gorge perhaps |
| 15:49.05 | TS|Skrom | woulda thought they'd drop mageweave more |
| 15:49.05 | zenzelezz | or was that mageweave |
| 15:49.16 | zenzelezz | think they drop both, but can't remember which is more common |
| 15:49.18 | TS|Skrom | that was my problem in ferelas XD 5:1 mageweave to silk ratio so far |
| 15:49.29 | cog|work | trolls in STV? |
| 15:49.44 | TS|Skrom | not a bad idea |
| 15:49.54 | TS|Skrom | they got that whole little city over on the east side |
| 15:50.49 | cog|work | I think the one in the Northwest would be better ... the ones on the east side might drop too much mageweave. |
| 15:51.19 | TS|Skrom | northwest...northwest... ohhh right that one |
| 15:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Too many troll cities, too little time. |
| 15:51.53 | TS|Skrom | I totally neglected tradeskills whiel leveling this toon, so now I'm trying to catch up... |
| 15:52.23 | TS|Skrom | have a respectable 12 days played to level 62 though so it wasn't all bad |
| 15:52.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. Tailoring, or first aid? |
| 15:52.35 | TS|Skrom | tailoring |
| 15:52.46 | TS|Skrom | I was mining/jc, but couldn't bear yet another miner |
| 15:52.54 | TS|Skrom | plus the high level tailored sets look neat-o |
| 15:55.09 | TS|Skrom | oh and while we're on teh subject I assume Shadoweave is generally preferred for locks/ |
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| 15:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | High level tailored sets do look neat. My lock isn't above 35 yet, so she doesn't have much for special gear. |
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| 16:03.02 | TS|Skrom | that's odd, u usually the levels required progress in order up the tailoring skill chain. However I noticed that Netherweave gloves require 320 tailoring and level 63 to wear, but the boots require 335 tailoring and level 62 |
| 16:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | Some of the new crafting recipes have seemed odd that way. |
| 16:04.34 | TS|Skrom | the imbued netherweave stuff doesn't seem considerably harder to craft then basic netherweave... more materials sure, but tha'ts just a grinding issue |
| 16:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Grind grind grind. |
| 16:05.44 | wereHamster | does windows pass floating point variables in registers instead of the stack? |
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| 16:25.52 | Cairenn|afk | wow, that one rattled the house! (thunder) |
| 16:26.11 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 16:26.24 | zenzelezz | sweet |
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| 16:27.03 | Cairenn|afk | net split! |
| 16:27.03 | zenzelezz | that one apparently took more than the house |
| 16:27.03 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 16:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Thunderstorms are killin' everything, including my netz! *cry* |
| 16:28.24 | Cairenn|afk | if I poof, you'll know why |
| 16:28.25 | cog|work | ... I got d/c'ed, then shortly after i logged back in, it said I left... |
| 16:28.25 | zenzelezz | for great justice? |
| 16:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | Same here, in spades, Cairenn. |
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| 16:28.25 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: mind if I ask where you are (approximate) |
| 16:28.57 | Valaron|Work | She's in NY |
| 16:29.01 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 16:29.20 | Cairenn|afk | well that's good then, it means my hubby is getting soaked too then! hah! |
| 16:29.33 | cladhaire | we're not getting any rain in syracuse |
| 16:29.43 | Cairenn|afk | it's absolutely pouring here |
| 16:29.57 | cladhaire | muggy and sunny here |
| 16:30.09 | Cairenn|afk | it's been muggy here, that's why the t-storms |
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| 16:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Albany is pretty dry now, but it's just waiting, waiting, waiting for the thunderstorms to break. 90+ and humidity is huge. |
| 16:30.37 | Cairenn|afk | ah, you're in Albany? I'm just north |
| 16:30.41 | cog|work | :S |
| 16:30.42 | Cairenn|afk | of you |
| 16:31.14 | cog|work | Out here in California, our summer storms are mostly made of fire... |
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| 16:31.43 | Cairenn|afk | welcome back splitters |
| 16:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm actually a wee south of 787, but "Albany" suffices for the most part. *shrug* |
| 16:32.04 | Cairenn|afk | *nod* |
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| 16:32.20 | Cairenn|afk | just as I'm not actually in Ottawa proper, but it suffices |
| 16:32.34 | Valaron|Work | We had some light rain in the north state. |
| 16:32.44 | Valaron|Work | My bike seat is wet now. |
| 16:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | I tried once to describe my suburb of Boston... and just gave up and always told people I lived in Boston. Much easier. |
| 16:33.07 | cog|work | Valaron|Work: yeah... it rained a bit last night here but it was probably like .01 inches |
| 16:33.16 | cog|work | not exactly a "storm" :P |
| 16:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | If i could send some, Cogwheel, I would. Although our creeks are a bit low, yours are lower I think. :| |
| 16:34.13 | Cairenn|afk | I'm not complaining, we've been near drought conditions here for a few years now |
| 16:34.23 | Cairenn|afk | we need all the rain we can get, and then some |
| 16:34.25 | cog|work | It's funny how the media treats weather patterns. This year it's ZOMGNOWATER and last year we had torrential flooding and hundreds of millions of dollars in damage in my county... |
| 16:34.43 | cog|work | Of course both problems are global warming's fault... |
| 16:34.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it's raining here. |
| 16:35.11 | cog|work | </sarcasm> |
| 16:35.18 | Cairenn|afk | heh, yeah |
| 16:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | No, the weather isn't Ace'd, so it sucks. |
| 16:35.54 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 16:35.56 | Cairenn|afk | hahahahha |
| 16:35.59 | Valaron|Work | Hmm |
| 16:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly| isn't around to do it, someone had to make the stock joke. |
| 16:37.20 | Valaron|Work | Let it die. |
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| 16:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | Dead. *shrug* Sometimes sick finds things funnier, my bad. |
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| 16:39.14 | Cairenn|afk | I thought it was funny :p |
| 16:39.43 | Cairenn|afk | hell, the reasonable members of the ace community agree that a lot of the hype is ridiculous |
| 16:40.13 | dylanm | Cairenn|afk: What's this now? |
| 16:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | As do I. Never did buy a cabbage patch doll. |
| 16:40.26 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: me either |
| 16:41.05 | cog|work | dylanm: an earlier snark about Ace :P |
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| 16:41.26 | dylanm | cog|work: Ah. Thanks. That comes up way too much :p |
| 16:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | Was just a bad joke. Honest. Nose already spanked. |
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| 16:44.21 | cog|work | I liked it :( |
| 16:44.22 | zenzelezz | ah, get over it, most of us aren't actually bashing Ace |
| 16:44.44 | MentalPower|AFK | its an easy target |
| 16:44.46 | MentalPower|AFK | :P |
| 16:44.59 | dylanm | Lopeppeppy: Hehe. Nothing wrong with making light of mindless fans. |
| 16:45.09 | zenzelezz | if I had to dislike everything I make jokes about I wouldn't make many jokes |
| 16:45.13 | MentalPower|AFK | we all need some comic relief sometimes |
| 16:45.46 | cog|work | "I have nothing against God, it's his fan club that I can't stand" seems oddly appropriate |
| 16:45.49 | zenzelezz | I am amused that Informant still calculates arrow/bullet costs incorrectly |
| 16:46.00 | zenzelezz | in the version I have that is, might be fixed |
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| 16:49.47 | MentalPower | zenzelezz: its not |
| 16:50.15 | MentalPower | does it calculate price x 200? |
| 16:51.06 | zenzelezz | it says my 179 bullets cost me 53g 70s at vendor; or on my hunter that my arrows cost me ~1800g |
| 16:51.13 | zenzelezz | but I may have an old version, can't remember |
| 16:51.41 | MentalPower | --/inf |
| 16:51.53 | MentalPower | that will tell you the version at the top, I think |
| 16:53.36 | zenzelezz | doesn't seem to. Anyway, I believe it's one of the early 4 releases |
| 16:53.55 | MentalPower | code hasn't changed, so bug is still there |
| 16:53.59 | MentalPower | I'll add it to the list |
| 16:54.01 | MentalPower | ~ugt |
| 16:54.02 | purl | from memory, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 17:00.34 | MentalPower|AFK | gotta go |
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| 17:04.13 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Cide |
| 17:04.13 | purl | ACTION crits Cide with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Cide dies |
| 17:04.26 | Cide | =/ |
| 17:05.19 | sag_ich_nicht | CTRA is still using item names and not item IDs for its reagent check and missing hallf the reagents. I blame you. :P |
| 17:05.24 | sag_ich_nicht | -j |
| 17:05.26 | sag_ich_nicht | *-l |
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| 17:09.51 | vhyser | Hey, how do i get the total amount of spells in a player sspellbook? |
| 17:10.31 | vhyser | I looked in the wiki for spell/spellbook functions |
| 17:10.42 | vhyser | but could only find a function to count the amount of bookpages |
| 17:10.48 | Josh_Borke | vhyser: iterate over all spells |
| 17:10.53 | TS|Skrom | iterate over the book counting as you go |
| 17:11.13 | vhyser | ye that's what im trying to do |
| 17:11.22 | vhyser | but it gives me an error if i go outside the range |
| 17:11.39 | vhyser | for i = 1, 25 do local name = GetSpellName(i, BOOKTYPE_SPELL); end |
| 17:11.50 | vhyser | or should i iterate in any other way? |
| 17:11.54 | vhyser | *some other. |
| 17:12.23 | Josh_Borke | one sec |
| 17:12.23 | TS|Skrom | what's the error? |
| 17:12.33 | vhyser | invalid spellId |
| 17:12.38 | vhyser | if i go outside that amount i have |
| 17:13.15 | Antiarc|Work | while true do i++; local name = GetSpellName(i, BOOKTYPE_SPELL); if not name then break; end |
| 17:13.19 | Antiarc|Work | Pseudocode, but you get the idea. |
| 17:13.34 | TS|Skrom | ^-- correct |
| 17:13.43 | vhyser | Antiarc|Work thanx ;) |
| 17:13.45 | TS|Skrom | that's how I did it in healhelper oh so long ago |
| 17:18.03 | vhyser | i know i'm a bit of a lua newbie, but is there anyway to dump a table in a debug-friendly manner |
| 17:18.03 | vhyser | or do I have to write a custom function |
| 17:18.03 | vhyser | ? |
| 17:18.16 | Josh_Borke | ~devtools |
| 17:18.17 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 17:18.18 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/3a27y3 |
| 17:18.28 | vhyser | oh, thnx |
| 17:19.40 | vhyser | helpfull bunch, thanks :) |
| 17:20.54 | cladhaire | ThraeBot: that's rather obnoxious |
| 17:21.00 | cladhaire | Thrae: you too |
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| 17:24.22 | Cairenn|afk | well THAT was interesting - lights went out, computer stayed on .... |
| 17:24.43 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:24.54 | Cairenn|afk | me thinks it's time to shut down |
| 17:25.23 | Cairenn|afk | later all |
| 17:25.51 | zenzelezz | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 17:26.19 | Cairenn|afk | I really can't afford a fried computer - later all |
| 17:31.36 | wereHamster | .. a few more days and I'll be able to reimplement WoW |
| 17:34.04 | Valaron|Work | YES! |
| 17:34.12 | Valaron|Work | Mario Kart Wii has been announced! |
| 17:37.11 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:24] <@Cairenn|afk> well THAT was interesting - lights went out, computer stayed on .... <--lol american wiring standards |
| 17:37.26 | sag_ich_nicht | also lol capacitivities. |
| 17:38.03 | Valaron|Work | Uhhh |
| 17:38.44 | sag_ich_nicht | don't uh me. the american power grid scares me |
| 17:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | high voltage lines till nearly the consumers house >_< |
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| 17:40.27 | sag_ich_nicht | it's like they're asking for dead people after a storm |
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| 17:40.50 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm... disconnect time? >.> |
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| 17:44.37 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 17:44.38 | sag_ich_nicht | w |
| 17:44.58 | sag_ich_nicht | *why is this not showing me the icon and tooltip of my Trinket anymore: |
| 17:44.59 | sag_ich_nicht | #showtooltip |
| 17:45.02 | sag_ich_nicht | /cast 14 |
| 17:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Known bug |
| 17:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on the forums |
| 17:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Fix in 2.2 |
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| 17:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it -.- |
| 17:47.00 | sag_ich_nicht | why the hell do we even have a damn PTR |
| 17:47.01 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 17:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an icon |
| 17:48.58 | sag_ich_nicht | it's knowing which button to click first |
| 17:49.29 | sag_ich_nicht | and knowing the cooldown of the trinket |
| 17:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I use coolDown |
| 17:50.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have any buttons ;) |
| 17:51.58 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
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| 17:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I just submitted an addon... that might actually be deleted |
| 17:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But we'll see |
| 18:00.08 | TS|Skrom_ | what is it? |
| 18:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "IllegalAddon" |
| 18:04.54 | vhyser | Ok another question |
| 18:05.10 | vhyser | How do I get a hold of a frame that has been created dynamicly with createFrame() and a loop |
| 18:05.26 | vhyser | say the frame name is "Frame_Nr_1" and i have that Id in a variable |
| 18:05.32 | vhyser | so i need to concatenace "Frame_Nr_"..ID |
| 18:05.45 | vhyser | I know there is a function for that |
| 18:05.46 | Kaso | you need getglobal |
| 18:05.47 | vhyser | I just forgot it's name ;( |
| 18:05.49 | Kaso | buttt |
| 18:05.51 | vhyser | yay. |
| 18:05.52 | TS|Skrom_ | getglobal("Frame_Nr_"..id) |
| 18:05.57 | Kaso | why not just put your frames into a table |
| 18:06.14 | Kaso | t={} for i=1,10 do t[1]= CreateFrame(whatever) end |
| 18:06.17 | vhyser | ye mi should do that |
| 18:06.21 | vhyser | thnx. |
| 18:06.26 | vhyser | *i |
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| 18:09.38 | foxlit | Why not use the global table? |
| 18:09.39 | foxlit | :) |
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| 18:14.22 | cogwheel|away | zomgnetsplitpewpew |
| 18:14.53 | cladhaire | anyone know how to move the cursor in an editbox? |
| 18:15.33 | N|Tivoli | arrows? |
| 18:15.36 | Josh_Borke | SetCursor? |
| 18:15.41 | N|Tivoli | ^^ |
| 18:16.06 | Josh_Borke | are you sure you can? |
| 18:16.07 | cogwheel|away | cladhaire: maybe look at For All Indents and Purposes... it does a lot of edit box manipulation |
| 18:16.11 | N|Tivoli | i've never tried, not sure if you can |
| 18:16.20 | cladhaire | yeah.. |
| 18:16.27 | cladhaire | I have an easier way to fix it |
| 18:16.37 | N|Tivoli | actually, can you do a highlight, then clear the highlight? |
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| 18:17.24 | N|Tivoli | HighlightText(x, x)? |
| 18:17.27 | cladhaire | thats what i was thinking |
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| 18:18.50 | krka | w00t, someone mentioned my addon |
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| 18:19.43 | krka | yeah, you can move the cursor, but it's really a big giant hack |
| 18:19.43 | cladhaire | and i'm using it already in my new addon |
| 18:19.43 | cladhaire | heh |
| 18:19.43 | krka | i copied that code from someone else though |
| 18:19.46 | krka | cant remember who |
| 18:19.55 | krka | probably a credit line left in the code |
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| 18:20.33 | cladhaire | actually not sure using it in this part of the addon makes sense |
| 18:20.35 | krka | ah, it was tem |
| 18:20.37 | cladhaire | would be more confusing than anything =) |
| 18:21.23 | Tem | huh? |
| 18:21.27 | Tem | what did I do now? |
| 18:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sure'n that Cladhaire is a strange one, wantin' clarity and rationale in programmin'! |
| 18:21.40 | krka | make the cursor movement code |
| 18:21.56 | krka | for editboxes |
| 18:22.00 | krka | remember? :) |
| 18:22.02 | Tem | oh |
| 18:22.02 | Tem | yeah |
| 18:22.04 | krka | i shamelessly stole it |
| 18:22.10 | Tem | a long while back |
| 18:22.13 | krka | yeah |
| 18:22.21 | Tem | I still want slouken to add a setcusor |
| 18:22.28 | Tem | because my code is such a hack |
| 18:22.28 | krka | me too |
| 18:22.32 | krka | agreed |
| 18:22.45 | krka | but it's the best solution possible :/ |
| 18:24.02 | cladhaire | I actually don't need it in this situation.. having a fontstring and using anchors makes much more sense |
| 18:24.03 | cladhaire | http://artificialtruth.com/v/webimages/temp/Picture+1_001.png.html |
| 18:24.05 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/2yyeua |
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| 18:24.52 | krka | ah, working on that |
| 18:24.52 | krka | cool |
| 18:24.56 | krka | how's it unfolding? |
| 18:25.04 | cladhaire | done |
| 18:25.05 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 18:25.11 | krka | cool |
| 18:25.20 | cladhaire | need it for chapters 1-9 of the book |
| 18:25.23 | krka | support = as a shortcut for return? |
| 18:25.27 | krka | ah i see |
| 18:25.48 | cladhaire | yep ^%s*=%s* gets gsubbed to return |
| 18:25.49 | krka | ah... you're not sure if faiap in there is a good thing? |
| 18:26.39 | cladhaire | well it wouldn't make much sense since its line-by-line |
| 18:26.43 | cladhaire | the block editor will use it. |
| 18:26.46 | cladhaire | if you let us =) |
| 18:26.50 | krka | of course |
| 18:27.51 | krka | hey... what's that emacs mode you're using for lua? |
| 18:27.56 | cladhaire | lua-mode |
| 18:28.04 | cladhaire | too easy to lock the client tho.. so tempted to do while true end |
| 18:28.07 | cladhaire | and i can't sethook =. |
| 18:28.09 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 18:28.24 | Cide | why not? |
| 18:28.27 | krka | write your own VM? :) |
| 18:28.41 | Cide | oh, nvm |
| 18:28.43 | cladhaire | Cide: its in wow. |
| 18:28.52 | krka | here's a trick: |
| 18:28.53 | Cide | yeah, I'm stupid |
| 18:29.15 | krka | before each end or return, add a "if time > maxtime then return end" |
| 18:29.30 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 18:29.32 | cladhaire | that could be fun =) |
| 18:29.37 | krka | yeah |
| 18:29.48 | krka | store the original for display purposes, but run something else |
| 18:29.48 | Valaron|Work | Does /stopcasting take conditionals? |
| 18:29.58 | cladhaire | krka: <3 |
| 18:30.01 | N00bZXI | If that addon is what I think it is, I'd defenantly use it |
| 18:30.08 | krka | i think you only need to worry about recursion and loops |
| 18:30.17 | krka | you could possibly use the lexer in FAIAP |
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| 18:31.02 | krka | the lazy solution is appending the code before each end |
| 18:31.12 | cladhaire | yeah, i'm down with that |
| 18:31.13 | krka | the advanced is constructing an AST |
| 18:31.16 | cladhaire | cogwheel|away: This font is too large now, heh |
| 18:31.20 | krka | and only append where it's really needed |
| 18:32.09 | krka | you could still lock the client if you really really really wanted too |
| 18:32.17 | krka | this should atleast protect against honest mistakes |
| 18:32.29 | cladhaire | yeah i can think of at least two ways to do so =) |
| 18:32.33 | cladhaire | this protects against inf loops tho |
| 18:32.49 | cladhaire | i'll need to use %f to do this i think |
| 18:33.03 | krka | %f? |
| 18:33.04 | cladhaire | for stuff like print(1)return |
| 18:33.12 | cladhaire | yeah, the frontier pattern |
| 18:33.16 | krka | O_o |
| 18:33.19 | krka | what's that? |
| 18:33.33 | Josh_Borke | ooo, that's nifty |
| 18:33.47 | cladhaire | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2004-09/msg00294.html |
| 18:34.10 | krka | actually... use an error instead of returning as escape |
| 18:34.23 | cladhaire | aye, i was planning on it |
| 18:34.45 | krka | i see |
| 18:34.52 | krka | why not use faiaps lexer? |
| 18:35.02 | krka | it would split that into print, (, 1, ), return |
| 18:35.05 | cladhaire | honestly i wouldn't know where to start |
| 18:35.13 | cladhaire | lemme grab it and take a look |
| 18:35.14 | krka | 1sec |
| 18:35.30 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.50 | krka | that's all you need, i think |
| 18:35.57 | cladhaire | and all I need is indent.lua? |
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| 18:36.15 | cladhaire | I'll need you to license this in a way that I can distribute it, if you get around to it =) |
| 18:36.16 | Lunessa | Approach Logan 5, and Identify |
| 18:36.28 | krka | right |
| 18:36.39 | krka | hm, i dont have a license on it? |
| 18:36.44 | cladhaire | not that i can see |
| 18:36.47 | krka | what licence do you need? |
| 18:36.49 | krka | gpl fine? |
| 18:36.56 | krka | or bsd/mit? |
| 18:37.01 | cladhaire | i'd prefer bsd/mit |
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| 18:37.05 | cladhaire | but your call sir =) |
| 18:37.09 | cladhaire | I'll make it work either way |
| 18:37.09 | vhyser | ok, another question |
| 18:37.16 | vhyser | I need an event that fires when a spell comes OUT OF cooldown |
| 18:37.21 | krka | np, i'll make it mit |
| 18:37.31 | krka | just need to figure out where i keep my latest version |
| 18:37.57 | foxlit | vhyser: there probably isn't one |
| 18:38.02 | N00bZXI | vhyser: To my knowledge there isn't one, you need to start a timer when the spell is cast, and watch for things like preparation. |
| 18:38.12 | vhyser | hm ok |
| 18:38.14 | vhyser | thanks |
| 18:38.19 | N00bZXI | and entering arena |
| 18:39.30 | Josh_Borke | SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN or something does fire, but not with the name of the event |
| 18:40.00 | vhyser | Josh_Borke that's when it startes. |
| 18:40.03 | vhyser | not when it ends. |
| 18:40.05 | vhyser | *starts. |
| 18:40.08 | Josh_Borke | ah, right |
| 18:41.18 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info/~krka/tmp/faiap17-mit.zip |
| 18:41.25 | krka | cladhaire: does that work for you? |
| 18:41.29 | cladhaire | krka: And actually, I shortcut = to print, not return |
| 18:41.42 | krka | i even include a commandline indenter there |
| 18:41.50 | cladhaire | oh really |
| 18:41.50 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 18:42.05 | cladhaire | how's it work/what's it do? |
| 18:42.05 | krka | -- usage: lua run.lua input.lua > output.lua |
| 18:42.11 | cladhaire | oh, heh |
| 18:42.12 | cladhaire | nice |
| 18:42.16 | krka | it takes a lua source file and indents it properly |
| 18:42.22 | vhyser | hm |
| 18:42.30 | vhyser | the SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN event fires |
| 18:42.44 | vhyser | but how do i know which spell was fired? |
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| 18:42.46 | Josh_Borke | vhyser: you don't |
| 18:42.56 | vhyser | ok, so... how would I make it work then? ;P |
| 18:43.09 | vhyser | i have to |
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| 18:43.15 | vhyser | loop through all spells |
| 18:43.17 | vhyser | and check |
| 18:43.18 | N00bZXI | SPELLCAST_SUCCESS |
| 18:43.24 | N00bZXI | try using that |
| 18:43.35 | N00bZXI | not sure if that's the right name |
| 18:43.38 | krka | cladhaire: faiap also avoids creating unnecessary strings - it scans the bytes of the string |
| 18:43.47 | vhyser | N00bZXIthnx |
| 18:43.49 | vhyser | thnx ;) |
| 18:43.59 | krka | and the nextToken function simply returns the type of the next token, and where it ends |
| 18:44.00 | cladhaire | now how can i use nextToken to make this work |
| 18:44.15 | cladhaire | it seems to return a number for the first return |
| 18:44.21 | cladhaire | that's for some lookup table> |
| 18:44.23 | cladhaire | ? |
| 18:44.31 | krka | local tokenType, nextPos = lib.nextToken(inputString, pos) |
| 18:44.46 | krka | lookup table? |
| 18:44.52 | krka | you mean the token types+ |
| 18:45.03 | cladhaire | any reason nextToken is a global function? =) |
| 18:45.19 | krka | heh... we both typod the questionmark |
| 18:45.24 | krka | but on different layouts |
| 18:45.48 | krka | weird... i dont know why |
| 18:45.58 | krka | i must have missed putting it in the lib |
| 18:46.13 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 18:46.26 | Thrae | hmm |
| 18:46.44 | cladhaire | so i can just use the tokenizer to find "return" or "end" and put the timing code before it, right? |
| 18:46.59 | krka | yeah |
| 18:47.03 | cog|work | wtf? we just got an order form and someone had taped a used staple to the back of the envelope... And it didn't look like it was an accident... There were two pieces of tape and neither were covering the flap of the envelope itself... |
| 18:47.10 | cladhaire | ok.. i'll play with this. |
| 18:47.14 | krka | do that :) |
| 18:47.44 | krka | i'd just use pattern matching for, if it wasn't for annoying stuff like lua strings and comments |
| 18:47.53 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 18:48.00 | Lunessa | cog|work: OCD is a terrible thing... |
| 18:50.49 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: yea cog, how could you be so insensitive? GEEZE! |
| 18:50.51 | Josh_Borke | i'm disgusted |
| 18:51.02 | krka | cladhaire: since it's mit, just rip out the parts you need and refactor to your hearts content |
| 18:51.16 | cladhaire | I'll need it all eventually, I'll just leave it intact |
| 18:51.20 | cladhaire | but clean up any leaked globals =) |
| 18:51.42 | krka | it's open source, fix it yourself! ;) |
| 18:51.51 | cladhaire | that's what i meant |
| 18:51.53 | cladhaire | i'm gonna clean that up |
| 18:51.54 | cladhaire | sorry =) |
| 18:52.00 | Thrae | cladhaire: So ThraeBot just decided to start spamming tiny urls without people giving a url in the first place? ^^; |
| 18:52.08 | cladhaire | Thrae: People were giving URLs |
| 18:52.15 | cladhaire | but not evey single url needs to be tinyurl'd |
| 18:52.25 | krka | that's the best thing about open source, you can tell people to fix stuff themselevs |
| 18:52.27 | cladhaire | its obnoxious.. make it a command ~tinyurl LONG URL |
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| 18:52.36 | cladhaire | or at least put a size limit on it |
| 18:52.41 | cladhaire | so it only does it if the URL is > 80 chars or so |
| 18:52.43 | Thrae | cladhaire: Only urls > length 50 (after http://) are tinyurl'd |
| 18:52.59 | Thrae | http://www.sak;djaslkjasdlkjaslkjdlasjsldk.com |
| 18:53.03 | Thrae | See, that's not tinied |
| 18:53.04 | cladhaire | http://artificialtruth.com/v/webimages/temp/Picture+1_001.png.html doesn't need to be tinyurl'd |
| 18:53.15 | krka | ~tinyurl www.cnn.com |
| 18:53.20 | cladhaire | nothing needs to be automatically tinyurl'd in my opinion. |
| 18:53.23 | Thrae | krka: !t <url> |
| 18:53.36 | krka | !t sl.se |
| 18:53.40 | cladhaire | and it was getting _really_ obnoxious having it respond to almost anything that was posted in either channel |
| 18:53.45 | cladhaire | I'd request you make it a command, not an automatic response. |
| 18:53.55 | Thrae | cladhaire: IE, people were abusing the bot? |
| 18:54.07 | krka | i've found that even the simplest and unobnoxious script gets annoying |
| 18:54.10 | cladhaire | no, but not a single one of us needed tinyurl's for what we were posting. |
| 18:54.16 | krka | like my "Lua is not an acronym" |
| 18:54.19 | cladhaire | and i dont like something that responds without being given a command. |
| 18:54.21 | Thrae | LUA |
| 18:54.23 | krka | so stopped it |
| 18:54.26 | cladhaire | it should be explicit. |
| 18:54.56 | krka | cladhaire: yeah! i hate it when people respond without a command |
| 18:54.57 | Thrae | cladhaire: Ah well, it's for people with clients, like me and many others, who don't have clickable links in their IRC client. If a URL is wrapped, it can be difficult to copy&paste. |
| 18:55.03 | krka | too... casual |
| 18:55.10 | Thrae | I'll up it to 80. |
| 18:55.11 | cladhaire | Thrae: Thats; great.. have it do it to your client. |
| 18:55.23 | cladhaire | Thats' a client issue, not somethign to be solved by an irc bot. |
| 18:55.30 | krka | Thrae: really? my terminals can all copy/paste across wrapping |
| 18:55.35 | krka | both gnome-terminal and putty |
| 18:55.39 | krka | depending on where i am |
| 18:55.59 | Thrae | krka: *shrugs* Maybe it's a problem with irssi's split windows |
| 18:56.05 | krka | i guess it wouldn't work if you had some side-bar thingy |
| 18:56.10 | krka | yeah, i have the chat fullscreen |
| 18:56.59 | cladhaire | then make a !tinyurl command |
| 18:57.06 | cladhaire | that takes the last url posted in the channel, and makes it a tinyurl |
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| 18:57.11 | Thrae | There is one. |
| 18:57.19 | cladhaire | good, then don't make it respond automatically |
| 18:57.32 | Josh_Borke | it was kinda annoying |
| 18:57.48 | cladhaire | hence why it was kicked.. bots should not auto-respond to anything |
| 18:57.58 | cladhaire | i believe its against the tos for freenode, but I would have to read up on it. |
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| 18:58.20 | Thrae | cladhaire: Nope, TinyUrl bots are used in some other Freenode channels, where I got the idea. |
| 18:58.43 | cladhaire | okay, well i'm requesting you dont' enable it in my channels |
| 18:58.45 | cladhaire | that means #dongle and #wowi-lounge |
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| 18:59.29 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://www.illustratedillusions.com/images/skyfalling.jpg LOL |
| 18:59.45 | cladhaire | Lunessa: haha |
| 18:59.48 | cog|work | :) |
| 19:00.12 | cog|work | Lunessa: where did I post that, again? >< |
| 19:00.47 | cog|work | Oh and <3 google's image search :P |
| 19:00.59 | Lunessa | In a post (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174543285&sid=1) titled: Beware wowecon, hackers took over the site. |
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| 19:02.08 | Thrae | The code was disabled. |
| 19:02.29 | Lunessa | Damn it cog - you use "grok' too. If you get much cooler, we're going to have to store beer in you. |
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| 19:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | For shame. |
| 19:03.03 | Thrae | cladhaire: I'd like to say that I think you're way overreacting, I fixed the code, but I can't argue with an op. |
| 19:03.17 | cladhaire | Thrae: I appreciate you disabling it |
| 19:03.17 | cladhaire | Thanks. |
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| 19:04.08 | cladhaire | It generates two urls for every single long one that is posted, the first one, and then a message from you. We shouldn't have to IGNORE spam to the channel, because your client can't handle something. Now if we're talking convenience for posting in the .toc or passing a URL around, absolutely.. but that's not what your bot did. |
| 19:04.22 | cladhaire | It was an automated response to solve an issue you have personally with your client (regardless of whether others have it or not) |
| 19:04.48 | cladhaire | If we start letting bots auto-respond to things in this channel, it will get way out of hand, way too quickly. Slippery slope, my friend. |
| 19:04.49 | krka | i think we should get rid of purl too |
| 19:05.02 | TimRIP | i'm a bit new in this addon stuff....i'm trying to follow the "helloWorld" example ...i can get it to show up on the addon selection page but it does nothing when i start it up...useing the <OnLoad> |
| 19:06.00 | Thrae | cladhaire: I don't really have the issue for my client. It's an issue that permeates across thousands of channel across many networks -- I've seen about 50 different TinyUrl bots on major channels in major networks. I disagree that it was wrong on general principle, but you're an op, and therefore you can set the rules for your channels. |
| 19:06.30 | Thrae | I believe "fighting" an op is wrong, but I'm not going to agree with you on principle. |
| 19:06.36 | Kyahx | TimRIP: which hello world example, there are a few. I'd presonally avoid using XML, I just think its confusing as hell |
| 19:06.44 | cladhaire | I don't expect you to, feel free to disagree with me |
| 19:06.57 | cladhaire | And I appreciate you turning it of, thank you. |
| 19:07.06 | Thrae | For instance, I thought purl was useless and annoying (especially the s/foo/bar/ auto-response), which is why I thought ThraeBot -would- be accepted. |
| 19:07.29 | cladhaire | I think purl is useless and annoying for lots of things, when people abuse it |
| 19:07.30 | Cide | I don't like that auto-response either to be honest :/ |
| 19:07.33 | Thrae | I had to change my sed delimiters to s:foo:bar: in my corrections, and then people always ask "uh, purl doesn't respond to that" |
| 19:07.37 | krka | purl _is_ useless and annoying |
| 19:07.38 | cladhaire | and perhaps the tinyurl code just needed to be tuned |
| 19:07.42 | Thrae | I answer, "I dun wanna spam" |
| 19:07.47 | cladhaire | BUT, purl never responds without being prompted. |
| 19:07.53 | cladhaire | and posting a url isn't a "prompt" |
| 19:08.00 | cog|work | Lunessa: I wouldn't mind more beer in me... |
| 19:08.05 | krka | especially since people use purl for silly things |
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| 19:08.22 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, you are surounded by wine and you want beer..... |
| 19:08.26 | cladhaire | purls ~dict and ~wiki are extremely useful, as are some of the other valid things |
| 19:08.37 | Thunder_Child | needy, needy, needy |
| 19:08.38 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: Beer is the new wine... I'm not talking Bud, coors, miller, etc. |
| 19:08.39 | krka | i suppose so |
| 19:08.43 | cladhaire | purl is also extremely over-used and full of crizzap =) |
| 19:08.49 | krka | can you turn off all the useless tuff? |
| 19:08.55 | krka | that would make me unignore purl |
| 19:08.57 | cladhaire | not really |
| 19:09.03 | Thrae | cladhaire: Well, I and tons of others in my of the channels I'm in have used sed notation, since we're all a bunch of geeks (especially of the #sed and #vi channels), it's mainly just the auto-response to sed that annoys me |
| 19:09.07 | N00bZXI_ | I think you guys missed this due to my connection: [23:07:21]<N00bZXI>imo, best way to solve this is just to allow people to whisper the bot with ~t [url] and have it reply with the tinyurl |
| 19:09.23 | Thrae | N00bZXI_: You can already do that -- /msg ThraeBot t <url> |
| 19:09.29 | cladhaire | yep |
| 19:09.29 | Thrae | !t foo.com |
| 19:09.31 | ThraeBot | Thrae: http://tinyurl.com/1a38 |
| 19:09.46 | zenzelezz | N00bZXI: that wouldn't solve it since selection was part of the problem |
| 19:09.57 | Thrae | Anyway, I plan on adding stuff like !TOC, !wwiki (wowwiki), !awiki (ace wiki), etc. |
| 19:09.59 | zenzelezz | if you had to retype/copy the URL you wouldn't need tinyurl in the first place |
| 19:10.09 | cog|work | My favorite beer right now: http://www.newbelgium.com/beers_bk.php |
| 19:10.11 | krka | can't we make a #wowi-lounge-bot channel then? |
| 19:10.26 | krka | and this channel strictly for humans |
| 19:10.39 | Cide | I'd rather have a single channel |
| 19:10.43 | Cide | and not have useless bot stuff in it |
| 19:10.48 | Cide | i.e. ~slap |
| 19:10.53 | Josh_Borke | ~slap Cide |
| 19:10.54 | purl | ACTION slaps Cide, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:10.54 | N00bZXI_ | I'd also rather have a single channel |
| 19:10.54 | Cide | should be gone if possible |
| 19:10.55 | cladhaire | ~whaleparry cide |
| 19:10.56 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry cide's attacks. |
| 19:10.56 | zenzelezz | "useless" is a personal opinion |
| 19:10.58 | Cide | bastards. |
| 19:11.04 | zenzelezz | not everyone finds the lua bots useful |
| 19:11.05 | cladhaire | heh =) |
| 19:11.05 | krka | zenzelezz: no. no it's not |
| 19:11.06 | N00bZXI_ | lol |
| 19:11.12 | Lunessa | cog|work: Heathen that I am I imagine that would make a nice Black & Tan... |
| 19:11.13 | Cide | zenzelezz: perhaps |
| 19:11.31 | Cide | that would, however, be solved by using a separate user to control the bot |
| 19:11.42 | Cide | so that people can ignore that user |
| 19:11.48 | Thrae | I would talk more on this discussion, but I'm late for my doctor's appointment |
| 19:12.34 | cladhaire | i.e. cladbot and thraebot |
| 19:12.40 | Cide | yep |
| 19:12.47 | cladhaire | if someone doesn't like the armory details and item stuff thaebot can do,they can easily ignore it |
| 19:12.55 | cladhaire | krka already solved the purl issue for himself =) |
| 19:13.41 | krka | well, it still gets confusing when people interact with purl and i only see half of it |
| 19:13.50 | krka | or try to use purl to explain something to me |
| 19:14.00 | Thrae | cladhaire: I'm going to change that so that it only does it on channels I select, or when voiced (not sure which one yet) |
| 19:14.12 | cladhaire | okay, sounds like a plan |
| 19:14.20 | TimRIP | can someone help me with a "HelloWorld" example |
| 19:14.22 | krka | using voice seems like a good idea |
| 19:14.32 | cladhaire | TimRIP: Which example are you following, can you link to it for me? |
| 19:14.35 | krka | would make it easy for ops to control it |
| 19:14.50 | Thrae | cladhaire: !t, !api, and other "info" commands relevant to the channel seem viable though -- they all have strict throttling |
| 19:15.18 | Thrae | Anyway, off to the appointment...eh, my doctor's usually an hour late anyway |
| 19:15.25 | N00bZXI_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174763656&sid=1 *cries* |
| 19:16.11 | TimRIP | Cladhaire: i whisperd the code i have 2 u ;D |
| 19:16.26 | cladhaire | your whispers don't come across unless your registerd. |
| 19:16.34 | TimRIP | ahh |
| 19:16.36 | cladhaire | you should use http://wowi.pastey.net and post the code there |
| 19:16.39 | N00bZXI | pastey it? |
| 19:16.41 | cladhaire | and then give us the URl so we can all look at it |
| 19:16.54 | cladhaire | the more people the look at it, the quicker you'll get a solution, as I'm somewhat busy =) |
| 19:17.00 | TimRIP | ok thx m8 |
| 19:17.17 | TS|Skrom_ | do all those guys at the end of armory that spawn after youy kill herod have a chance to drop silk? |
| 19:17.20 | TS|Skrom_ | if so.... $$ |
| 19:17.27 | TimRIP | will do that asp |
| 19:18.04 | N00bZXI | TS|Skrom: I believe so |
| 19:18.17 | jme | heh, interesting |
| 19:18.18 | Lunessa | TS|Skrom_: Yes, but they usually just drop copper. |
| 19:18.47 | krka | cladhaire: maybe the code is so good that it needs to be kept secret so people dont steal it |
| 19:18.56 | cladhaire | krka: See anything absolutely silly here? http://wowi.pastey.net/70663 |
| 19:20.14 | cladhaire | krka: cause it works, heh |
| 19:20.41 | krka | looks ok |
| 19:20.50 | krka | didnt look at the finer points of string replacement |
| 19:21.13 | Kyahx | http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m192/Radicalbread/acancergm.jpg |
| 19:21.17 | Kyahx | <3 GMs |
| 19:21.32 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 19:21.46 | N00bZXI | rofl |
| 19:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. |
| 19:21.48 | krka | cladhaire: not really necessary to do :lower on the token |
| 19:22.02 | cladhaire | you already do that? |
| 19:22.58 | krka | err, have you ever seen "eNd" or "rETUrn" in lua code? |
| 19:23.05 | krka | keywords are always lower case in lua |
| 19:23.08 | cladhaire | oh |
| 19:23.09 | cladhaire | good point |
| 19:23.10 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.24 | krka | in fact... i think End is a legal variable name |
| 19:23.31 | N00bZXI | it is |
| 19:23.36 | krka | which would make your modified code broken |
| 19:23.47 | cladhaire | :P |
| 19:23.53 | krka | local End = 1 + 2 would become |
| 19:24.02 | krka | local if time .... end End = 1 + 2 |
| 19:24.08 | cladhaire | hrm.. need to think of a way to scrub the error after the fact |
| 19:24.11 | cladhaire | so it doesn't show my code |
| 19:24.12 | cladhaire | brb |
| 19:24.13 | cladhaire | =) |
| 19:24.15 | cog|work | krka: can you fix FAIAP so it doesn't add a bunch of extra newlines to the end of the code? |
| 19:24.18 | krka | scrub the error? |
| 19:24.20 | krka | cog|work: no! |
| 19:24.33 | krka | how many does it add? |
| 19:24.36 | krka | it should stop adding after 2 |
| 19:24.48 | cog|work | Depending on how much editing I do, it can grow to dozens |
| 19:24.51 | krka | hm |
| 19:24.55 | krka | that's a bug if so |
| 19:24.59 | krka | i've had it before |
| 19:25.03 | krka | can't remember if i fixed it or now |
| 19:25.06 | krka | *not |
| 19:25.18 | krka | i recall it being tricky to fix |
| 19:25.23 | krka | use version 17? |
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| 19:25.54 | cog|work | yep |
| 19:26.03 | krka | weird.. i have an explicit fix for that |
| 19:26.08 | krka | maybe the fix is broken |
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| 19:26.51 | krka | does it only add \n\n when you're writing strings? |
| 19:27.32 | cog|work | I haven't done any extensive testing... I've just been using it a lot recently and noticed it happening... |
| 19:27.45 | cog|work | Oh! lunch time... guess i can log in now :P |
| 19:28.08 | krka | i might take a look at the bug tomorrow |
| 19:29.11 | Kyahx | Anyone following the E3 press conferences? |
| 19:29.31 | Kyahx | Im really underwhelmed by Sony's showing so far (not that I didn't expect to be) |
| 19:29.55 | krka | cladhaire: i just realized something |
| 19:30.02 | cladhaire | sup |
| 19:30.03 | zenzelezz | I stopped caring about E3 after they made those changes last year or whenever |
| 19:30.11 | krka | you'd still be unprotected from loadstring("while 1 do end")() |
| 19:30.25 | cladhaire | yes |
| 19:30.33 | krka | also: |
| 19:30.34 | cladhaire | but if they do that, they're trying to crash their machine |
| 19:30.41 | krka | function f() f() end f() |
| 19:30.41 | cladhaire | this is just to prevent unintentional infinite loops |
| 19:30.42 | cog|work | It's kinda hard to test since newlines are blank and the scroll bar slider doesn't change size... |
| 19:30.46 | krka | cladhaire: good point |
| 19:31.15 | krka | hm, my second example crashes with stack overflow though |
| 19:31.21 | krka | so that doesn't count i guess |
| 19:31.47 | krka | cladhaire: i think you need to hook pcall too |
| 19:32.15 | cladhaire | I'm not really concerned about that at all |
| 19:32.30 | krka | heh, fine then :) |
| 19:32.46 | cladhaire | i sandbox everything for the luabot tho :P |
| 19:32.46 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 19:32.53 | krka | yeah |
| 19:33.01 | TimRIP | oki people i have made my helloWorld exaple puplic ...can someone plz have a look at it ...it's at http://wowi.pastey.net/70664 |
| 19:33.07 | krka | you could buy a lot of computers and wow accounts, and have a bot on each server |
| 19:33.11 | krka | with the same name |
| 19:33.27 | krka | then the player could send you the lua code, you run it securely, and send back the result |
| 19:33.30 | cladhaire | nah, don't have access to the debug library on the server |
| 19:33.46 | TS|Skrom_ | TimRIP You probably have WoW errors turned off in the interface options. |
| 19:33.47 | krka | you'd have to use some sort of packet sniffer, or other hack |
| 19:33.54 | cladhaire | anyone know the constant for the max length of an error exceprt by any chance? |
| 19:33.56 | TS|Skrom_ | TimRIP message() is treated as an error |
| 19:33.59 | TimRIP | ahhhhhhh heheh |
| 19:34.00 | TimRIP | thx |
| 19:34.06 | krka | max length of error? |
| 19:34.28 | cladhaire | krka: Yeah, if you get an error from loadstring, it gives you an excerpt from the start of the string |
| 19:34.37 | cladhaire | knowing how long (max) that can be would help me =) |
| 19:34.39 | krka | ah, that thingy |
| 19:34.40 | N00bZXI | TimRIP: ChatFrame1:AddMessage("HELLO WORLD") |
| 19:34.48 | TimRIP | k;D |
| 19:34.54 | TimRIP | thx noob |
| 19:34.56 | N00bZXI | you could just make that one line in the .lua file |
| 19:35.15 | N00bZXI | would be executed on login (you don't need to have a frame just to execute an OnLoad script) |
| 19:35.41 | krka | need exact number cladhaire+ |
| 19:35.46 | krka | i get 106 in a simple test |
| 19:35.50 | cladhaire | heh |
| 19:35.53 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 19:36.03 | cladhaire | i'll keep playing may scrape my stuff out of there in an easier way |
| 19:36.11 | krka | now i got 108 |
| 19:36.45 | TimRIP | thx evryone it works now ;D |
| 19:36.51 | TS|Skrom_ | N00bZXI I think the point of the hello world example is to show how frames, functions, and handlers work togther |
| 19:36.51 | krka | [string "function asdihasodguiasdgaulskdgkadgsjkasdgajksdgjkasgdkajgsdkj..."]:1: |
| 19:36.57 | krka | that part is 80 chars, maximum |
| 19:37.08 | krka | hm, actually, not sure about line number |
| 19:38.31 | TS|Skrom_ | Take the HelloWorld example one step further and add local myMsgVar = "Hellow World" and change the message to message(myMsgVar) and bam now you've introduced the user to variables |
| 19:39.03 | Valaron|Work | Hellow |
| 19:39.09 | TS|Skrom_ | shh |
| 19:39.29 | TS|Skrom_ | I always want to type Yellow when I type hello |
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| 19:41.15 | vhyser | ok i've maneged everything with spellcooldowns except one thing |
| 19:41.26 | vhyser | presence of mind, nature's swiftness, etc. |
| 19:41.34 | vhyser | they don't activae thier cooldown untill AFTER they've been used |
| 19:41.38 | vhyser | how do I deal with that? |
| 19:42.24 | Lunessa | "All I want is a mod that shows me everyone on the battlefield, everything about them, and gives me a 1-click "I win!" function. Can someone write that for me? Plx? " |
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| 19:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sure thing, Lunessa. Get right on the I Win button for ya. |
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| 19:43.54 | N00bZXI | Lunessa: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18230 |
| 19:44.30 | vhyser | WidgetButton_IWIN extends WidgetButton |
| 19:44.58 | vhyser | ;P |
| 19:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | Much love for y'all. Nap time, cheerio. |
| 19:45.30 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-32-5.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 19:45.36 | Guillotine | >>> print(_G) |
| 19:45.37 | Cide | Guillotine: { ["log"] = function: 00399E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0039AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0039A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0039AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0039AA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 19:46.35 | Guillotine | >>> print(_G.os.date()) |
| 19:46.36 | Cide | Guillotine: [string "print(_G.os.date())"]:1: attempt to call field 'date' (a nil value) |
| 19:47.44 | Guillotine | print(_G.os) |
| 19:47.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge TimRIP (i=TimRIP@port73.ds1-hum.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 19:47.44 | Guillotine | >>> print(_G.os) |
| 19:47.44 | Cide | Guillotine: { ["clock"] = function: 009A8788, ["time"] = function: 009A91A0 } (#1) |
| 20:00.02 | N00bZXI | Night. |
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| 20:03.43 | Guillotine | >>> local somevar={var1="test",var2="this",var3={var4="thing,var5="now"}} print(somevar) |
| 20:03.43 | Cide | Guillotine: [string "local somevar={var1="test",var2="this",var3={var4="thing,var5="..."]:1: '}' expected near 'now' |
| 20:04.16 | Valaron|Work | You're missing a " after thing |
| 20:04.23 | Guillotine | >>> local somevar={var1="test",var2="this",var3={var4="thing",var5="now"}} print(somevar) |
| 20:04.25 | Cide | Guillotine: { ["var1"] = "test", ["var3"] = { ["var5"] = "now", ["var4"] = "thing" } (#2), ["var2"] = "this" } (#1) |
| 20:04.26 | Guillotine | haha, yup |
| 20:04.39 | cog|work | They need to increase the drop rate for small bags in the pre-BC starting areas... BE's and Draenei have it made... |
| 20:05.39 | Guillotine | >>>print(getfenv()) |
| 20:05.39 | Cide | Guillotine: { ["log"] = function: 008C9E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 008CAA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 008CA9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 008CAAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 008CAA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 20:06.07 | Guillotine | >>> print(log) |
| 20:06.08 | Cide | Guillotine: function: 00919E48 |
| 20:06.16 | Guillotine | whoops |
| 20:06.23 | Guillotine | function, not a table >< |
| 20:17.34 | cladhaire | krka: http://artificialtruth.com/v/webimages/temp/Picture+2.png.html |
| 20:19.16 | krka | nice |
| 20:20.18 | krka | what's the coloring? i'm guessing it's not faiap |
| 20:20.31 | krka | just gray for output, white for input, red for errors? |
| 20:20.40 | krka | looks nice |
| 20:20.54 | cladhaire | yep |
| 20:20.58 | cladhaire | nice and basic |
| 20:21.06 | krka | you should brag about it in #lua |
| 20:21.12 | cladhaire | heh, its nothing that special =) |
| 20:21.15 | krka | emulating a lua interpreter in wow |
| 20:21.49 | cladhaire | I need to figure out a way for the user to switch from interpreter to block edit mode |
| 20:21.53 | krka | you should make faiap an option atleast, even if it's single line |
| 20:22.08 | krka | you could ignore the indenting code - highlighting would be enough |
| 20:22.19 | cladhaire | how can i do that on the commandline? |
| 20:22.26 | cladhaire | you have something for the edit box? |
| 20:22.35 | krka | i _only_ have stuff for the editbox |
| 20:22.49 | krka | you can't apply faiap to other things than editboxes |
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| 20:23.01 | cladhaire | oh duh, heh |
| 20:23.03 | krka | hm... actually |
| 20:23.11 | krka | for static texts, it's even easier |
| 20:23.19 | krka | just run the highlighter before :SetText |
| 20:23.37 | cladhaire | well the top isn't an edit box |
| 20:23.46 | cladhaire | its a one-line edit box, and a messagescrollframe |
| 20:24.51 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 20:24.55 | krka | one line editboxes work the same as multiline, right? |
| 20:24.59 | cladhaire | got faiap to toss a wow assertion =) |
| 20:25.05 | krka | O_o |
| 20:25.08 | cladhaire | i have it working on the edit box, that's not an issue |
| 20:25.08 | krka | interesting |
| 20:25.10 | cog|work | Um... anyone have any idea why this would crash-quit WoW when you leave AFK? http://wowi.pastey.net/70670 |
| 20:25.50 | cladhaire | hrm.. weird stuff happening krka |
| 20:26.03 | krka | do elaborate |
| 20:26.16 | krka | i actually haven't used faiap in a long time in wow :) |
| 20:26.27 | cladhaire | nvm.. think it was a victim of the assertion |
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| 20:27.09 | krka | hm, still, let me know if there's a problem in faiap |
| 20:27.15 | cladhaire | i certainly will |
| 20:27.20 | cladhaire | http://artificialtruth.com/v/webimages/temp/Picture+4.png.html |
| 20:27.29 | cladhaire | <3 it |
| 20:27.44 | krka | looks nice |
| 20:27.52 | krka | i think it could help for newbies |
| 20:28.09 | krka | easier to detect keywords and unterminated strings |
| 20:29.21 | krka | i think you could colorize the history fairly easy |
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| 20:29.51 | cladhaire | for anything other than multi line constructs yeah |
| 20:29.57 | cladhaire | i think this stands out a bit better tho |
| 20:30.09 | krka | perhaps |
| 20:30.15 | wereHamster | how likely is it that Blizzard would fix this 'issue' ? http://pastey.net/70671 |
| 20:30.19 | krka | yeah, it separates input from history |
| 20:32.10 | cladhaire | something is weird when you use the editbox history tho, trying to figure it all out |
| 20:32.13 | cladhaire | i think it adds newlines |
| 20:33.19 | krka | ah, yes it does |
| 20:33.27 | krka | it adds two newlines |
| 20:33.35 | krka | for a bug that occurs in multi-line editboxes |
| 20:33.41 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 20:33.43 | cladhaire | where does it add em? |
| 20:33.49 | krka | in editmode |
| 20:33.52 | cladhaire | at the beginning or the end? |
| 20:33.55 | krka | end |
| 20:34.08 | cladhaire | i'll trim commands before i run them |
| 20:34.15 | krka | the reason is that editboxes crap out if they have many lines, and the last two lines arent newlines |
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| 20:34.32 | krka | unless they fixed that bug recently |
| 20:35.11 | krka | cladhaire: i am assuming you run the commands in its own environment |
| 20:35.14 | krka | with its own print defined |
| 20:35.24 | krka | doesnt seem like print follows the same specification |
| 20:35.32 | krka | tab-separating the inputs |
| 20:35.33 | cladhaire | its actually not their own environment |
| 20:35.35 | cladhaire | i'm getting to that next |
| 20:35.39 | krka | ah |
| 20:35.43 | cladhaire | it comma seps print input |
| 20:35.44 | krka | you're just adding a global print? |
| 20:36.11 | cladhaire | no, it will go in the functions environment in a moment |
| 20:36.16 | cladhaire | and i'll hook loadstring to push it down too |
| 20:36.29 | krka | would be kind of neat to use a custom environment, that possibly has a metatable that points __index to the real environment |
| 20:36.43 | cladhaire | that's what i'll be doing |
| 20:36.45 | krka | then you could access all functions / tables, and still not mess up anything |
| 20:36.47 | cladhaire | just haven't gotten to it yet. |
| 20:36.48 | krka | cool |
| 20:36.55 | cladhaire | actually |
| 20:36.56 | krka | and define some emulations of the plain lua env |
| 20:37.02 | cladhaire | not sure i want to do that |
| 20:37.05 | cladhaire | that kills persistence |
| 20:37.14 | cladhaire | and there's too much lua-side sandboxing that needs to happen |
| 20:37.19 | krka | right |
| 20:37.37 | krka | all in all, a very cool project |
| 20:37.49 | cladhaire | I'm enjoying it |
| 20:37.52 | cladhaire | and i need it for chapter 1 |
| 20:37.56 | krka | i assume the goal is to make a lua learning-mode inside wow? |
| 20:38.00 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:38.02 | cladhaire | its for the book |
| 20:38.14 | cladhaire | chapters 1-8 are learning lua, and I want those exercises to be runnable inside and outside of wow. |
| 20:38.15 | krka | right... so you can try out lua code, to learn? |
| 20:38.38 | krka | not sure where we disagree then |
| 20:38.50 | cladhaire | i just misunderstood you is all =) |
| 20:39.08 | krka | i see... so the answer really is "yes [, for the book]" |
| 20:39.33 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 20:40.01 | krka | you should hook into iriels devtools too, for /dump |
| 20:40.16 | krka | are you using up/down for command history btw? |
| 20:40.29 | cladhaire | its alt-up, alt-down by default |
| 20:40.34 | cladhaire | actually, up/down works |
| 20:40.35 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:40.49 | krka | dump(x, y, z) might be nice to have inside the luapad |
| 20:41.00 | krka | does highlighting work with that? |
| 20:41.02 | krka | i have never tried that |
| 20:41.09 | cladhaire | no idea |
| 20:41.18 | cladhaire | Hrm.. |
| 20:41.22 | krka | oh, i just assumed you tried it |
| 20:41.30 | cladhaire | where is the newline stuff getting added in FAIAP? |
| 20:41.41 | cladhaire | oh i misunderstood, highlighting does work with history |
| 20:42.15 | krka | lib.line 926 |
| 20:42.27 | krka | err, sorry |
| 20:42.33 | krka | it's added at 1013 |
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| 20:43.20 | krka | i should add an option for that |
| 20:43.27 | cladhaire | indeed =) |
| 20:43.32 | cladhaire | [,multiline] |
| 20:43.36 | krka | yeah |
| 20:43.47 | krka | possibly even detect if the box _is_ multiline or not |
| 20:44.03 | cladhaire | now that is a good idea |
| 20:44.04 | cladhaire | i'll code it up now =) |
| 20:44.36 | krka | you kids today have it too easy: |
| 20:44.37 | krka | EditBox:IsMultiLine() - Determine if the EditBox accepts multiple lines - New in 1.11. |
| 20:44.44 | krka | never anything like that when i grew up |
| 20:45.18 | cladhaire | well actually, padWithLinebreaks doesn't 'go near the editbox |
| 20:45.30 | krka | huh? |
| 20:45.38 | cladhaire | just talking to myself mostly |
| 20:45.51 | krka | if editbox:IsMultiLine() then newCode = lib.padWithLinebreaks(newCode) end |
| 20:45.55 | krka | that should do the trick |
| 20:46.07 | cladhaire | yep |
| 20:46.22 | krka | just in two places |
| 20:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | HA, YES |
| 20:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED |
| 20:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7355-IllegalAddon.html |
| 20:46.54 | Cairenn | hehehe, I was amused by the name ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 20:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | After the discussion around it last night, I just couldn't resist |
| 20:47.21 | cladhaire | haha |
| 20:47.34 | [dRaCo] | ScytheBlade1: lemme guess: print "no illegal addons found."? |
| 20:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even a .lua |
| 20:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a .xml |
| 20:47.57 | krka | ScytheBlade1: brilliant |
| 20:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Size: 1.68 Kb <-- most of it is a readme |
| 20:48.06 | cog|work | could've been smaller if it was just lua :P |
| 20:48.13 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 20:48.16 | krka | i approve |
| 20:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work, meh, I don't know how to work with frames in the lua. ;) |
| 20:48.26 | krka | it's dead simple |
| 20:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 20:48.30 | krka | and you dont need frames |
| 20:48.34 | Lunessa | That is full of awesome and win. |
| 20:48.38 | Valaron|Work | Change "are installed" to "detected" |
| 20:48.44 | krka | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("no illegal addons found!") |
| 20:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("IllegalAddon: Scanning addons... pass! No illegal addons are installed."); |
| 20:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Now we just need to update the FAQs. ;) |
| 20:49.39 | krka | might want to add some progress bar that runs for 10 seconds in the middle of the screen |
| 20:49.47 | krka | that way, people think it's actually doing something |
| 20:49.53 | Lunessa | ... Loop like .... 65 seconds before sending the message. |
| 20:49.55 | cog|work | and actually print the names of the addons |
| 20:49.59 | cog|work | that are installed |
| 20:50.01 | krka | ooh... |
| 20:50.02 | krka | good idea |
| 20:50.03 | cog|work | as it's going |
| 20:50.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:50.13 | krka | and on ADDON_LOADED, add a new message |
| 20:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That would require *actual code* though |
| 20:50.23 | krka | "scanning " .. arg1 .. "... clean!" |
| 20:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the ADDON_LOADED is a good idea |
| 20:50.26 | Cairenn | well, it definitely "worked" for me hahahah |
| 20:50.40 | Cairenn | I think it rocks |
| 20:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I debated doing a slash command which lists all addons and their "clean status" |
| 20:51.00 | krka | you are so easily satisfied |
| 20:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But then I realized one line works too |
| 20:51.56 | krka | someone should make an acefyer-tool |
| 20:52.12 | cladhaire | "your addons are now zomgaced" |
| 20:52.13 | krka | automatically embedding ace into all addons |
| 20:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ... the only thing that could make this more awesome |
| 20:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Is if I got a request to ace it. |
| 20:52.30 | cog|work | Hah! |
| 20:52.31 | krka | omw |
| 20:52.41 | cog|work | I'll do it... |
| 20:52.42 | Kyahx | ...so tempting |
| 20:52.44 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "Hi, I've been using IllegalAddon since I found it... any chance I could get an ace version of it? It's my only one.." |
| 20:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | *only one that isn't an ace addon |
| 20:53.19 | Matrix110 | :) |
| 20:53.30 | [dRaCo] | u could actually use candybars to create a progress bar ^^" |
| 20:53.34 | cog|work | Name it something vague or punny |
| 20:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I could |
| 20:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or I could leave it as-is |
| 20:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And link it whenever someone asks |
| 20:53.59 | krka | posted |
| 20:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I do have to wonder who would actually install it though.. |
| 20:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're curious about addons and how legal they are, why would you trust an addon to check for you? |
| 20:54.20 | Matrix110 | enough people would i bet |
| 20:54.28 | Matrix110 | doesnt matter |
| 20:54.31 | Matrix110 | people are stupid |
| 20:54.34 | cog|work | 14 have downloaded it so far... |
| 20:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what scares me :/ |
| 20:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hopefully |
| 20:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I sincerly hope so |
| 20:54.56 | krka | when you assume you make an ass out of u and me |
| 20:54.58 | [dRaCo] | krka: great, you even capitalized Ace ;) |
| 20:55.06 | zenzelezz | think of the "omg ur 1000000 visitor u win!!" ads... you think we see so many of them because no-one is clicking? |
| 20:55.35 | cog|work | some times those flash ads are fun :P |
| 20:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 20:55.45 | Matrix110 | I dont see ads:-( |
| 20:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Where's the "is this legal?" threads when you want them? |
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| 20:56.14 | Cairenn | hehehehehhee |
| 20:56.16 | krka | this is on par with the addon that makes everything go black in combat |
| 20:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:56.25 | Cairenn | I'm still laughing over this |
| 20:56.25 | krka | what was that called? |
| 20:56.26 | cog|work | Ooooh... I'm totally gonna do the ace version... Call it FolsomPrison |
| 20:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I forget |
| 20:56.37 | krka | no cog|work! that's too obvious |
| 20:56.43 | krka | call it BarbieFunHouse or something |
| 20:56.45 | cog|work | hrm... |
| 20:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:56.51 | Kyahx | "i lov this addom...sum1 told me that ktm was illegal and i wamted 2 mke sure but ALL CLEAN! |
| 20:56.51 | Kyahx | THX (also plz ACE)" |
| 20:56.56 | Kyahx | works over, time to go home |
| 20:57.24 | [dRaCo] | I just remember the name referencing to h2g2 |
| 20:57.39 | foxlit | Haha |
| 20:57.44 | foxlit | We broke Magtheridon's Lair |
| 20:57.47 | cog|work | krka: What about MountRushmore? |
| 20:58.02 | krka | what about it? |
| 20:58.08 | cog|work | as a vague name |
| 20:58.10 | cog|work | although... |
| 20:58.24 | cog|work | that would be a friggin awesome name for an addon that auto-equips mount trinkets... |
| 20:58.27 | foxlit | "Heroic mode is not available for this instance" |
| 20:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit, /script SetDungeonDifficulty(3); |
| 20:58.45 | krka | i always come up with cool names, and then try to make addons that fit the name |
| 20:58.47 | [dRaCo] | lol |
| 20:58.56 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: It's set on normal |
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| 20:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit, you did break it |
| 21:01.09 | Cairenn | this was the combat one you were thinking of, krka: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 21:01.22 | krka | whoa, how can you read my mind? |
| 21:01.32 | krka | and why aren't you appropiately disgusted? |
| 21:01.41 | Cairenn | (4:55:56 PM) krka: this is on par with the addon that makes everything go black in combat |
| 21:01.41 | Cairenn | (4:56:04 PM) krka: what was that called? |
| 21:02.10 | krka | thanks for the link anyway, that |
| 21:02.13 | krka | is awesome |
| 21:02.48 | krka | would be cool if it showed a big screen of my little pony and sang a happy kids song |
| 21:03.25 | Josh_Borke | you make me sad krka |
| 21:03.56 | krka | :( |
| 21:03.59 | krka | black is too scary, i mean |
| 21:04.11 | krka | actually, my suggestion is scary too, in another way |
| 21:04.18 | krka | possibly more damaging |
| 21:04.32 | Josh_Borke | possibly? how about far more :-P |
| 21:04.48 | krka | far more more damaging? |
| 21:04.53 | krka | that fails grammar |
| 21:05.04 | krka | time to sleep |
| 21:05.12 | Lunessa | RED TEXT MEANS DANGER! |
| 21:05.29 | krka | sense of humour has declined so much that even i know it's bad... that means its time for sleep |
| 21:06.30 | Cairenn | sweet dreams krka :) |
| 21:06.32 | Valaron|Work | :P |
| 21:06.58 | krka | thanks |
| 21:07.12 | Tem | I need an addon that makes me naked and dancing when it detects a warlock-pally team against us in 2v2 |
| 21:08.32 | Josh_Borke | nn krka |
| 21:09.05 | Lunessa | lol |
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| 22:13.17 | Lunessa | It never rains but it pours around here... |
| 22:13.27 | Valaron|Work | ? |
| 22:13.58 | Lunessa | In the last hour everything exploded at once. |
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| 22:22.15 | Laraul | why is this channel +s? |
| 22:23.34 | Laraul | Uhhh09 |
| 22:23.40 | Valaron|Work | That question reminds me of http://www.bash.org/?3306 |
| 22:25.04 | Laraul | I can't recall if +s hides it from the channel /list or /whois reply... i think the former |
| 22:25.22 | Laraul | +p hides it from /whois i think |
| 22:25.26 | Laraul | hell i have no idea |
| 22:25.46 | Valaron|Work | Hmm.. I wonder if this is worth buying: http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5253627?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 22:26.16 | Laraul | Hitachi is a good brand |
| 22:26.28 | Laraul | Probably worth it |
| 22:26.28 | Valaron|Work | Look at the size. |
| 22:26.38 | Laraul | Yes 1 terabyte |
| 22:26.48 | Valaron|Work | That's a lot of porn. |
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| 22:27.33 | Valaron|Work | I mean... uhh.. mp3s |
| 22:27.51 | Laraul | honestly I don't care what you put on your hdd |
| 22:28.02 | Valaron|Work | .... |
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| 22:38.52 | Laraul | So I finally get myself a LUA reference guide |
| 22:39.10 | Laraul | It's clear C |
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| 22:43.14 | cladhaire | the reference manual is all C, yes. |
| 22:43.17 | cladhaire | PiL is lua |
| 22:45.10 | Laraul | It's not C it's built on the language though |
| 22:45.52 | cladhaire | i'm not sure what you'rs saying. |
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| 22:47.18 | Laraul | It's like ANSI C without brackets... lol |
| 22:48.43 | cladhaire | gotcha |
| 22:49.32 | Laraul | There are no pointers though I assume everything is passed by reference |
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| 22:52.09 | cog|work | The reference has two parts... the language reference and the Lua API... Only the API part has anything to do with C and it's entirely irrelevant to WoW... |
| 22:53.34 | cog|work | (unless you work for Blizzard :P) |
| 22:53.53 | cladhaire | You really should just read Programming in Lua |
| 22:54.00 | cladhaire | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 22:54.34 | Laraul | What about the standard libaries? |
| 22:55.04 | cladhaire | i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 22:55.22 | Laraul | like the I/O libs |
| 22:55.27 | Laraul | er api calls |
| 22:55.34 | cladhaire | you just call them from lua |
| 22:55.41 | cladhaire | and wow doesn't have the io libraries. |
| 22:56.49 | Laraul | what about the debug interface?\ |
| 22:56.53 | cladhaire | not available in wow. |
| 22:57.01 | Laraul | i doubt it has that as well |
| 22:57.12 | cladhaire | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) if type(k) == "table" then print(k) end end |
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| 22:57.32 | cladhaire | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) if type(k) == "table" then print(k) end end |
| 22:57.32 | cladbot | cladhaire: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "for k,v in pairs(_G) if type(k) == "table" then print(k) end en..."]:1: 'do' expected near 'if' |
| 22:57.37 | cladhaire | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(k) == "table" then print(k) end end |
| 22:57.37 | cladbot | cladhaire: |
| 22:57.52 | cladhaire | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(v) == "table" then print(k) end end |
| 22:57.52 | cladbot | cladhaire: wow, os, _G, SV, string, bit, table, math |
| 22:57.57 | cladhaire | that's whats available in wow |
| 22:58.06 | cladhaire | lua> os |
| 22:58.06 | cladbot | cladhaire: { ["clock"] = function: 0x806cd40, ["time"] = function: 0x806cf60, ["date"] = function: 0x806cd80 } (#1) |
| 22:58.14 | cladhaire | and os has almost nothing |
| 22:58.21 | cladhaire | (it may not even be in wow.. i could be smoking crack) |
| 22:58.55 | Cide | it's not there, nope |
| 22:59.08 | Cide | but instead you have a couple of global functions from there |
| 22:59.10 | Cide | >>> time |
| 22:59.10 | Cide | Cide: function: 009791A0 |
| 22:59.13 | Cide | >>> time == os.time |
| 22:59.13 | cladhaire | aye |
| 22:59.13 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 22:59.57 | cog|work | I still think you're smoking crack though... |
| 23:00.00 | cog|work | O.O |
| 23:00.02 | cladhaire | clearly |
| 23:00.48 | Laraul | It has to have more OS apis then that |
| 23:01.05 | cog|work | Laraul: Lua does. WoW doesn't |
| 23:01.09 | Guill|AFK | those are the only ones available |
| 23:01.20 | Guillotine | to the IRC bot |
| 23:01.23 | Guillotine | and WoW |
| 23:01.30 | Laraul | How do you get what OS the user is using? |
| 23:01.40 | Guillotine | you don't |
| 23:01.41 | cladhaire | Laraul: Are you here for Lua, or for using Lua in World of Warcraft? |
| 23:01.55 | Laraul | Well I |
| 23:02.04 | Laraul | Well I can't find anywhere else to use lua |
| 23:02.13 | cladhaire | there are tons of applications that use Lua |
| 23:02.37 | cog|work | and you can also write your own :P |
| 23:02.40 | cladhaire | and what you can do with lua outside of wow is huge.. the wow sandbox is really tight. |
| 23:03.25 | cog|work | but if you're after general Lua knowledge then you'll have better luck with #lua. WoW's lua is heavily limited due to security and automation concerns |
| 23:03.34 | Guillotine | Laraul: I suppose it may be possible to get the OS of the user by looking at the format of os.time(). Though that won't always be accurate |
| 23:03.55 | cladhaire | Guillotine: the format of os.time() is specific.. it doesn't differ from os to os |
| 23:04.16 | Guillotine | cladhaire: has that changed since 5.0? |
| 23:04.25 | cog|work | cladhaire: not afaik... |
| 23:04.26 | Guillotine | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.7 |
| 23:04.41 | Guillotine | according to the manual The returned value is a number, whose meaning depends on your system. In Posix, Windows, and some other systems, this number counts the number of seconds since some given start time (the "epoch"). In other systems, the meaning is not specified, and the number returned by time can be used only as an argument to date and difftime. |
| 23:05.00 | cladhaire | the game runs on windows, mac and linux |
| 23:05.11 | cladhaire | all either posix or windows |
| 23:05.18 | cladhaire | they all return a number from some given start time |
| 23:05.25 | Guillotine | ah, didn't know mac was Posix |
| 23:05.26 | Guillotine | nm then |
| 23:05.28 | cladhaire | its bsd |
| 23:05.32 | cog|work | Guillotine: mac = bsd |
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| 23:06.20 | Guillotine | lua> print(_VERSION) |
| 23:06.21 | cladbot | Guillotine: Lua 5.1 |
| 23:07.16 | Guillotine | lua> return(loadfile) |
| 23:07.17 | cladbot | Guillotine: nil |
| 23:07.46 | Laraul | lua> for k,v is pairs(SV) do if type(v) not == nil then print(k) end end |
| 23:07.46 | cladbot | Laraul: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "for k,v is pairs(SV) do if type(v) not == nil then print(k) end..."]:1: 'in' expected near 'is' |
| 23:07.56 | cladhaire | if you're going to mess with the bot, please move it to #luabot or PM's. |
| 23:08.01 | cladhaire | no need to spam the channel with it. |
| 23:08.09 | Guillotine | oh, yours works with PM's :D |
| 23:08.18 | Cide | so does mine |
| 23:08.22 | cladhaire | they both do |
| 23:08.26 | cladhaire | just tell me if you break it via pms |
| 23:08.28 | Guillotine | oh, havn't tried in a long time |
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| 23:14.25 | Laraul | Honestly I need like ; or something cuz i can't tell when a line starts/ends |
| 23:14.38 | cladhaire | you can use ; if you want |
| 23:14.41 | cladhaire | but its unnecessary |
| 23:15.55 | Laraul | Laraul: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "local i = 0; while true do; i = i + 1; if i > 100 then; break; ..."]:1: unexpected symbol near ';' <--- ?? |
| 23:15.56 | cog|work | ... |
| 23:16.19 | cog|work | can't put a ; after do |
| 23:16.26 | cog|work | or then |
| 23:16.28 | cladhaire | you can't use a semi there |
| 23:16.51 | cog|work | only after statements |
| 23:17.29 | Laraul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.40 | Cide | >>> foo = { }; |
| 23:17.41 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 23:17.47 | Cide | works fine |
| 23:17.53 | Laraul | while i < 100 do { block } |
| 23:17.57 | Laraul | like that |
| 23:18.01 | Cide | no... |
| 23:18.07 | cog|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 23:18.08 | Cide | the syntax is while i < 100 do ... end |
| 23:18.21 | cog|work | {} is a table constructor |
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| 23:20.52 | Laraul | lua>print(_VERSION) |
| 23:20.52 | cladbot | Laraul: Lua 5.1 |
| 23:21.29 | Cide | lua> _VERSION, _VERSION |
| 23:21.29 | cladbot | Cide: Lua 5.1, Lua 5.1 |
| 23:21.44 | Cide | any reason you're not enclosing strings in "", cladbot ? |
| 23:21.50 | Cide | cladhaire* |
| 23:22.00 | cladhaire | Cide: No specific reason to |
| 23:22.02 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 23:22.09 | cladhaire | i easily could, heh |
| 23:22.15 | Laraul | 5 and "5" are not the same |
| 23:22.49 | Cide | doesn't really matter though, you're right |
| 23:22.50 | cladhaire | they are when they're printed. |
| 23:22.53 | cladhaire | and i'm printing them |
| 23:22.54 | cladhaire | so... |
| 23:23.24 | cog|work | >>> "\3" |
| 23:23.24 | Cide | cog|work: "\003" |
| 23:23.31 | cog|work | lua> "\3" |
| 23:23.31 | cladbot | cog|work: |
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| 23:23.56 | Laraul | No first one is a number second is a string you print strings enclosed in " |
| 23:24.11 | Cide | I'm fairly sure cladhaire doesn't need that lesson ;) |
| 23:25.09 | cog|work | the issue is whether it's really worth formatting the output to indicate type |
| 23:25.11 | cladhaire | open your lua interpreter |
| 23:25.12 | cladhaire | type = 4 |
| 23:25.14 | cladhaire | then type = "4" |
| 23:25.19 | Laraul | lua>print("\r") |
| 23:25.20 | cladbot | Laraul: |
| 23:25.21 | cladhaire | i emulate this behavior. |
| 23:25.52 | Laraul | lua>print("\r/quit\r") |
| 23:25.52 | cladbot | Laraul: /quit |
| 23:25.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:26.13 | cladhaire | again, please use PM's or #luabot to mess with the bot, or i'll turn it off. |
| 23:26.19 | Laraul | lua>print("\r/quote quit\r") |
| 23:26.19 | cladbot | Laraul: /quote quit |
| 23:27.36 | Laraul | I need to write some applescript |
| 23:27.40 | Laraul | Does the bot eval that? |
| 23:27.52 | cladhaire | no, its a luabot. |
| 23:28.57 | Laraul | I need a LUA module for BBEdit arghs |
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| 23:30.10 | Garoun|Loupana | What'd you think Clad? |
| 23:30.21 | cladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: hrm? |
| 23:30.28 | Garoun|Loupana | hp5 |
| 23:31.28 | Laraul | do shell script "restart" |
| 23:32.26 | Garoun|Loupana | The new harry potter I thought you went to early this morning :P |
| 23:33.37 | cladhaire | oh it was good =) |
| 23:33.40 | cladhaire | i enjoyed it a lot |
| 23:34.15 | Garoun|Loupana | very long :) |
| 23:35.11 | cladhaire | nah, too short |
| 23:36.16 | foxlit | Hm, quick question |
| 23:36.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.40 | foxlit | I'm relying on lazy evaluation to first check cache, then US then EU functioncalls. |
| 23:36.52 | foxlit | Any way I can make that a bit more obvious? |
| 23:37.01 | Corrodias | god damn |
| 23:37.03 | Gryphen | I shall damn it! |
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| 23:37.12 | Corrodias | i think the sky just took a personal interest in pissing on me |
| 23:37.12 | Antiarc|Work | local itemID = cache.iid[ln] or findItemId("US", itemname) or findItemId("EU", itemname) |
| 23:37.22 | Antiarc|Work | That sorta indicates that you expect lazy evaluation |
| 23:37.23 | foxlit | Thing is, return isn't itemID |
| 23:37.29 | Antiarc|Work | Well, whatever it is. |
| 23:37.34 | Antiarc|Work | local myFoo = cache.iid[ln] or findItemId("US", itemname) or findItemId("EU", itemname) |
| 23:37.35 | Antiarc|Work | :P |
| 23:37.51 | foxlit | I don't really want to keep it, but I suppose another local variable could do the trick :) |
| 23:38.16 | Antiarc|Work | Eh. Locals are cheap. |
| 23:38.38 | foxlit | But they aren't free |
| 23:39.41 | Cide | negligible |
| 23:40.00 | foxlit | And yet :) |
| 23:40.02 | Cide | you're making your code harder to understand just to save virtually nothing |
| 23:40.04 | Cide | bad practice |
| 23:40.22 | Cide | premature optimization ftl |
| 23:40.39 | foxlit | I'd say it's defendable in this context. |
| 23:40.45 | Cide | no, it's not |
| 23:41.17 | Laraul | I do have a question about TOC files |
| 23:41.31 | Laraul | Are any of the ## comments required? |
| 23:41.47 | cladhaire | they're not comments, and that's addressed on wowwiki.com |
| 23:41.48 | Cide | ## Interface: |
| 23:41.55 | Cide | is the only necessary one afaik |
| 23:42.05 | foxlit | Would be pretty odd without Title? |
| 23:42.06 | cladhaire | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format |
| 23:42.06 | Cide | but yeah, I'm too helpful |
| 23:42.12 | Cide | what cladhaire said |
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| 23:50.38 | Thunder_Child | anyone know of an addon that lets you create multiple random says on a button press when casting a spell? |
| 23:51.04 | Laraul | Are most addons written in a UNIX enviroment? |
| 23:51.52 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Check out SpeakEasy, or BattleCry |
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| 23:52.36 | kergoth | Laraul: it depends on the developer. |
| 23:55.28 | ckknight | Laraul: I do mine in OS X |
| 23:55.36 | ckknight | but before that, I had a Windows machine |
| 23:55.49 | Thunder_Child | ty Lunessa |
| 23:55.57 | Laraul | What app do you use? |
| 23:56.05 | ckknight | for what? |
| 23:56.25 | Laraul | On the mac for writing LUA? XCode? |
| 23:56.38 | ckknight | TextMate |
| 23:56.43 | ckknight | also, Lua is not an acronym |
| 23:57.22 | Laraul | Er i just like typing LUA in all caps though |
| 23:57.39 | ckknight | but you shouldn't |
| 23:57.45 | ckknight | because it's not an acronym |
| 23:58.21 | Laraul | Textmate looks interesting |
| 23:58.28 | Laraul | Let me download it |
| 23:59.00 | Lunessa | I'm lazy, if I'm coding lua on my Mac, I use TextEdit. |
| 23:59.06 | Laraul | It's missing a Script menu! |
