IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20070704

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`00:06.58`	`Shirik`	`sigh @ me having to download all the svn files over dialup`
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`00:16.05`	`HannesV`	`Hey all`
`00:17.16`	`HannesV`	`Anyone willing to help me starting with wow UI costumizing?`
`00:17.46`	`Shirik`	`hiya`
`00:18.05`	`Shirik`	`well you've come to the right place`
`00:18.12`	`HannesV`	`lol`
`00:18.15`	`HannesV`	`yay =]`
`00:18.25`	`HannesV`	`that's step one right`
`00:19.37`	`HannesV`	`I tried this tutorial http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ but it doesn't show anything =/`
`00:19.40`	`Shirik`	`so what are you looking for?`
`00:19.53`	`Shirik`	`does it use message() ?`
`00:20.00`	`HannesV`	`Well, just looking for the first steps actually`
`00:20.16`	`HannesV`	`message()...`
`00:20.16`	`HannesV`	`nope`
`00:20.43`	`HannesV`	`Don't know what's best to code with, XML or LUA?`
`00:21.08`	`Shirik`	`that depends on what you're most comfortable with`
`00:21.15`	`HannesV`	`umm`
`00:21.17`	`Shirik`	`but in most cases, you will always need a Lua file`
`00:21.25`	`Shirik`	`also, Lua is not an acronym`
`00:21.30`	`Shirik`	`XML you can usually go without, but not always`
`00:22.17`	`Shirik`	`Personally, I avoid XML as much as I can, but this isn't recommended`
`00:22.21`	`Shirik`	`it's just because I don't like XML personally`
`00:22.24`	`Shirik`	`nothing more`
`00:22.26`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:22.27`	`HannesV`	`well`
`00:22.29`	`HannesV`	`I know php`
`00:22.34`	`HannesV`	`and sometimes`
`00:22.38`	`HannesV`	`I gotta work with XML`
`00:22.53`	`HannesV`	`if i wanna create stuff with flash and stuff`
`00:22.58`	`Shirik`	`but have you worked with XML using the Blizzard XSD ;)`
`00:23.01`	`HannesV`	`and I don't really like XML either`
`00:23.08`	`Shirik`	`I find it horrible, but hey that's me`
`00:23.22`	`HannesV`	`Well`
`00:23.28`	`HannesV`	`just`
`00:23.33`	`HannesV`	`Let me use LUA`
`00:23.33`	`HannesV`	`:p`
`00:23.56`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`00:24.00`	`Shirik`	`ok, well what are you trying to do?`
`00:24.06`	`HannesV`	`Umm`
`00:24.12`	`HannesV`	`I tried following that tutorial`
`00:24.14`	`Shirik`	`btw, it's generally recommended to use a mix of Lua and XML`
`00:24.18`	`HannesV`	`but nothing worked`
`00:24.20`	`Shirik`	`even I myself do this occasionally`
`00:24.23`	`HannesV`	`ya I noticed`
`00:24.36`	`Shirik`	`well what's it supposed to do?`
`00:24.38`	`HannesV`	`when looking at other mods source codes`
`00:24.42`	`HannesV`	`umm`
`00:24.44`	`HannesV`	`in the tutorial`
`00:24.50`	`HannesV`	`It should just show a name`
`00:24.53`	`HannesV`	`but it doesn't`
`00:25.00`	`HannesV`	`and it's not giving any errors`
`00:25.18`	`HannesV`	`and it doesn't have an error in the addons list at the login screen`
`00:25.36`	`HannesV`	`not that I really want to do that tutorial`
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`00:25.42`	`HannesV`	`it's just so I know how it works`
`00:25.57`	`HannesV`	`kinda silly to make something that just shows your name right =P`
`00:26.26`	`zenzelezz`	`tutorials aren't much about the end product, they're about teaching you something in the process`
`00:26.46`	`HannesV`	`yeah`
`00:26.51`	`Shirik`	`yeah but I don't know what it's trying to teach :P`
`00:26.53`	`HannesV`	`that was what I was saying`
`00:27.04`	`HannesV`	`umm`
`00:27.06`	`HannesV`	`I guess`
`00:27.10`	`HannesV`	`how to print something`
`00:27.14`	`HannesV`	`You know`
`00:27.32`	`Shirik`	`"print" can have several meanings depending on what context it's used in`
`00:27.39`	`Shirik`	`I recommend checking out the Blizzard "hello world" example`
`00:27.48`	`HannesV`	`I was searching for some good tutorials for wow for a few days now, and I haven't found any`
`00:28.03`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`Checked WoWWiki?`
`00:28.07`	`HannesV`	`yea`
`00:28.17`	`HannesV`	`has 4 tutorials`
`00:28.19`	`Shirik`	`there's one in the Blizzard extraction pack`
`00:28.20`	`Shirik`	`~framexml`
`00:28.21`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com/`
`00:28.50`	`HannesV`	`I think I got that`
`00:28.53`	`HannesV`	`but I tried that`
`00:28.59`	`Shirik`	`then you should have the blizzard hello world example`
`00:29.16`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:29.19`	`HannesV`	`I'll try that`
`00:29.29`	`HannesV`	`and I'll report what I've learned ;-)`
`00:29.32`	`HannesV`	`thanks`
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`00:29.38`	`Shirik`	`just one thing`
`00:29.47`	`Shirik`	`make sure you have lua errors enabled in interface settings`
`00:29.50`	`Shirik`	`otherwise you won't see anything`
`00:30.00`	`Shirik`	`enabling that, despite its name, enables message(), not the error handler`
`00:30.07`	`Shirik`	`and the hello world example uses the message() function`
`00:30.38`	`Thelyna`	`also XML errors don't show up, if your frame isn't showing up with no errors it's time to go through your XML with a fine-tooth comb`
`00:30.54`	`HannesV`	`ah ok`
`00:30.59`	`HannesV`	`nice people here =D`
`00:31.35`	`Shirik`	`=)`
`00:31.39`	`bleeter`	`lol 'sif`
`00:31.50`	`bleeter`	`j/k`
`00:31.51`	`Shirik`	`Thelyna: An XML errors log exists`
`00:32.05`	`HannesV`	`hehe`
`00:32.09`	`Shirik`	`HannesV: Yeah some of them aren't so nice, they try to force Qt down your throat, even if they are correct`
`00:32.25`	`zenzelezz`	`or Ace`
`00:32.38`	`Shirik`	`or Ace`
`00:32.41`	`HannesV`	`what's Qt?`
`00:32.56`	`Shirik`	`an open source C++ library`
`00:33.03`	`HannesV`	`ow`
`00:33.03`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:33.07`	`HannesV`	`<.<`
`00:33.10`	`HannesV`	`^^`
`00:33.25`	`zenzelezz`	`please don't use so many lines for so little text`
`00:33.51`	`Shirik`	`or face the wrath of Cairenn!`
`00:33.56`	`Shirik`	`She's evil, you don't want to be around her`
`00:34.14`	`Shirik`	`actually I just want to scare everyone away from her so she can be all mine, but don't tell anyone that`
`00:34.29`	`bleeter`	`"even if they are correct" rofl`
`00:34.30`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:34.33`	`HannesV`	`my mouth is shut`
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`00:34.37`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:34.45`	`bleeter`	`will chat alter bout that shirik :)`
`00:34.47`	`Shirik`	`bleeter: Cidan and I are looking at using Qt for a new project soon`
`00:34.49`	`bleeter`	`busy in instance atm`
`00:34.54`	`bleeter`	`I have several ideas ;)`
`00:34.54`	`Shirik`	`but both of us have to learn it first`
`00:36.24`	`HannesV`	`Qt is used for wow mods too?`
`00:36.47`	`zenzelezz`	`now you've confused him Shirik`
`00:36.49`	`Lunessa`	`No. Just Lua and XML`
`00:36.55`	`HannesV`	`lol`
`00:36.56`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:36.56`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:36.56`	`Shirik`	`sorry`
`00:36.58`	`HannesV`	`aaaah`
`00:37.00`	`HannesV`	`XD`
`00:37.06`	`Shirik`	`and TOC`
`00:37.08`	`Shirik`	`and BLP`
`00:37.10`	`Shirik`	`wait, no`
`00:37.11`	`Shirik`	`TGA`
`00:37.14`	`HannesV`	`stop`
`00:37.16`	`HannesV`	`stoppppp`
`00:37.17`	`HannesV`	`lol`
`00:37.18`	`Shirik`	`=D`
`00:37.27`	`HannesV`	`no php?`
`00:37.27`	`Shirik`	`well the only ones you need to worry about are XML, Lua, and TOC`
`00:37.35`	`Shirik`	`most will have all three, some skip out on XML`
`00:37.37`	`Lunessa`	`Shirik: You didn't Ace your rat kill counter. You... you... bastard!`
`00:37.39`	`Shirik`	`all have at least a TOC`
`00:37.41`	`Shirik`	`sorry!!`
`00:37.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`LUA!`
`00:37.46`	`Shirik`	`NOT LUA!`
`00:37.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`ACE!`
`00:38.01`	`bleeter`	`LOLCODE!`
`00:38.06`	`HannesV`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaah!`
`00:38.12`	`Shirik`	`lolcode interpreter is on a computer I can't access atm :(`
`00:38.13`	`HannesV`	`confused`
`00:38.21`	`Shirik`	`long long story HannesV`
`00:38.34`	`HannesV`	`guess I gotta come more in this IRC for a while`
`00:38.39`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`00:38.41`	`Shirik`	`fun times here`
`00:38.43`	`HannesV`	`^^`
`00:38.48`	`HannesV`	`always on IRC right =P`
`00:39.02`	`zenzelezz`	`beware, sanity is not guaranteed here`
`00:39.32`	`HannesV`	`I'll only come when sanity is guaranteed`
`00:39.42`	`Shirik`	`s/guaranteed/remotely likely/`
`00:40.10`	`HannesV`	`woot`
`00:40.20`	`HannesV`	`my first Hello World script works`
`00:40.32`	`HannesV`	`dance`
`00:40.36`	`zenzelezz`	`you plan on making many Hello World scripts?`
`00:40.43`	`HannesV`	`yes`
`00:40.44`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`00:40.51`	`HannesV`	`ofcourse =)`
`00:41.07`	`HannesV`	`Oh I wondered`
`00:41.09`	`HannesV`	`are like`
`00:41.17`	`HannesV`	`people with the 'famous' mods here`
`00:41.18`	`HannesV`	`like`
`00:41.20`	`HannesV`	`Fubar`
`00:41.21`	`Shirik`	`next example: /script a = function(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a); end a(a)`
`00:41.21`	`HannesV`	`and`
`00:41.26`	`HannesV`	`and`
`00:41.30`	`HannesV`	`u know`
`00:41.31`	`Shirik`	`calmez-vous`
`00:41.31`	`HannesV`	`=P`
`00:41.41`	`Shirik`	`less lines, more characters`
`00:41.41`	`zenzelezz`	`told you, don't use so many lines`
`00:41.49`	`HannesV`	`oh`
`00:41.57`	`HannesV`	`sorry, I'm used to do that`
`00:42.00`	`HannesV`	`gotta stop that`
`00:42.07`	`Shirik`	`I prefer not to declare an addon as "famous" but the likely answer to your question is yes`
`00:42.10`	`Cide-`	`yes, you must`
`00:42.18`	`Shirik`	`for example, foxlit is famous to me`
`00:42.24`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`00:42.28`	`HannesV`	`what did foxlit make?`
`00:42.28`	`Cide`	`Shirik is a hero to me`
`00:42.30`	`Shirik`	`he wrote code that my patcher relies on`
`00:42.38`	`Shirik`	`but you probably have no idea what prism is or how to use it`
`00:42.39`	`HannesV`	`well shirik is most famous imo now`
`00:42.44`	`Shirik`	`>.>`
`00:42.48`	`HannesV`	`yea sure I do`
`00:42.56`	`Shirik`	`oh? What's it do? :P`
`00:43.06`	`foxlit`	`My most downloaded addon is also the one that took least time to make :P`
`00:43.09`	`HannesV`	`patch`
`00:43.13`	`Shirik`	`incorrect :P`
`00:43.16`	`HannesV`	`umm`
`00:43.25`	`Shirik`	`you'll never guess I think`
`00:43.27`	`Shirik`	`without looking it up`
`00:43.37`	`HannesV`	`make your character dance`
`00:43.42`	`HannesV`	`or /train`
`00:43.56`	`Shirik`	`it's an RSA implementation`
`00:44.01`	`HannesV`	`right`
`00:44.02`	`HannesV`	`I knew that`
`00:44.16`	`HannesV`	`was just going to say it`
`00:44.24`	`Shirik`	`Cide is an author of CT`
`00:44.28`	`Shirik`	`I am an author of RDX.Cid`
`00:44.43`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz is god`
`00:44.44`	`HannesV`	`ya, I looked u up on wowi`
`00:44.57`	`Lunessa`	`IRC isn't Yahoo or AIM Hannes - more characters, fewer lines.. PLEASE.`
`00:45.11`	`Shirik`	`well some use it with trillian =P`
`00:45.50`	`HannesV`	`No, I'm using MIRC, but i'll try to talk with longer lines. Sorry, I'm used to talking in peices =/`
`00:46.00`	`Lunessa`	`:P I'm an original AIM team member (script and code build monkey) but even so...`
`00:46.24`	`Shirik`	`you are destined to write all in the AIM vernacular then!`
`00:46.42`	`Shirik`	`You are no longer authorized to use the terms "you" and "to" and must use the terms "u" and "2" respectively`
`00:46.56`	`Lunessa`	`No, nevar! I r not dum`
`00:47.06`	`bleeter`	`Lunessa: ur2`
`00:47.14`	`Lunessa`	`</3`
`00:47.20`	`Wobwork`	`><`
`00:47.24`	`HannesV`	`Shh, stop interupting me, I gotta work on the Showmethemoney!`
`00:47.36`	`Shirik`	`I never looked at that example`
`00:47.51`	`Lunessa`	`To quote Cogwheel, "You bitches are the distract."`
`00:47.57`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`00:48.11`	`HannesV`	`You haven't Shirik? :O`
`00:48.25`	`Shirik`	`nope, I learned in very...unconventional methods`
`00:48.36`	`Shirik`	`well maybe not unconventional, but different from you`
`00:48.56`	`Shirik`	`It's also a method I recommend to many, but everyone has their own method of learning`
`00:49.05`	`HannesV`	`Okai, well, I guess I gotta start somewhere`
`00:49.29`	`Shirik`	`Once you understand the absolute basics, look at other addons. Start with very simple ones and move forward`
`00:49.44`	`Shirik`	`Concurrently, it is vital that you understand Lua to be able to do it. PiL is your friend.`
`00:49.46`	`Shirik`	`~pil`
`00:49.46`	`purl`	`hmm... pil is Programming in Lua. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in hardcover and covers Lua 5.1.`
`00:50.08`	`HannesV`	`and wow is using...`
`00:50.21`	`Shirik`	`5.1, but the differences are somewhat minimal`
`00:50.41`	`Shirik`	`First edition is still almost completely accurate`
`00:51.04`	`HannesV`	`So you can make whole programs with LUA, like you can with C++?`
`00:51.07`	`Shirik`	`the most major differences involve table.getn and the use of vararg functions`
`00:51.10`	`Shirik`	`sure`
`00:51.14`	`Shirik`	`and it's been done`
`00:51.27`	`HannesV`	`Oh, I thought lua was a language blizzard invented for there wow addons XD`
`00:51.37`	`Shirik`	`Keep in mind, however, that the APIs available to you in WoW are very restricted (sandboxed)`
`00:51.40`	`Shirik`	`for obvious reasons`
`00:51.48`	`Shirik`	`no os.execute("format -f C:"`
`00:51.50`	`HannesV`	`yeah, I understand that =P`
`00:52.15`	`HannesV`	`are there still stuff in which can exploit the way of playing wow?`
`00:52.33`	`Cide`	`hopefully not`
`00:52.35`	`Shirik`	`negative, if you can do it with a Lua addon, it is intended that you be able to do it`
`00:52.46`	`Shirik`	`well, "intentionally" no... there are some... issues out there`
`00:52.58`	`Shirik`	`but mostly unknown`
`00:53.01`	`HannesV`	`oh, there are...`
`00:53.20`	`HannesV`	`and you know about them?`
`00:53.23`	`Shirik`	`there's one that I know of, but nobody else knows it and I can't even harness it myself. When I do get it worked out I'll report it to blizzard and it'll likely be fixed in a quick patch`
`00:53.29`	`Shirik`	`(afaik nobody else knows it)`
`00:53.56`	`HannesV`	`nice, and is it really somethng very exploitable`
`00:54.11`	`HannesV`	`or is it just a small thing that you can like walk on houses or something =P`
`00:54.15`	`Shirik`	`There's another segmentation fault vulnerability which has the potential to execute arbitrary code but it requires so much work and I don't think anyone's tried to, either. That's not Blizzard's fault, that's Lua's`
`00:54.24`	`Shirik`	`s/segmentation fault/stack overflow/`
`00:54.37`	`Shirik`	`and it revolves around that /script I said to you earlier :)`
`00:55.01`	`HannesV`	`you told me about /Script O_o`
`00:55.04`	`HannesV`	`?`
`00:55.14`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:4111:1714) 14(11Shirik14) next example: /script a = function(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a); end a(a)`
`00:55.20`	`Shirik`	`this would have crashed WoW`
`00:55.24`	`Shirik`	`(should have)`
`00:55.25`	`HannesV`	`ah right =P`
`00:55.38`	`HannesV`	`Is it an overflow?`
`00:56.10`	`Shirik`	`stack overflow vulnerability caused by the interpreter not tracking the stack count across threads correctly`
`00:56.36`	`HannesV`	`okai, I understand >.> <.<`
`00:56.42`	`HannesV`	`=]`
`00:56.57`	`Shirik`	`but don't worry about these things I speak of`
`00:57.07`	`Shirik`	`nobody's actually grasped them to do anything bad, nor has it been proven that it can be done`
`00:57.11`	`HannesV`	`I guess the showmethemoney tutorial will be for tomorrow...`
`00:57.40`	`HannesV`	`ok`
`00:57.44`	`HannesV`	`yup it crashes wow`
`00:57.58`	`HannesV`	`just tested it, and wow just dissappeared =P`
`00:58.09`	`HannesV`	`hope nothings wrong with my wow now =P`
`00:58.41`	`HannesV`	`Oh, btw, you guys all are american? (and u guys all play on the american servers)?`
`00:59.02`	`Cide`	`lots of europeans too`
`00:59.23`	`Cide`	`people from all over the world in here really`
`00:59.30`	`HannesV`	`okai nice =P`
`00:59.37`	`Shirik`	`The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x650) has exited with code 0 (0x0).`
`00:59.37`	`Shirik`	`First-chance exception at 0x7c902f06 in lua5.1.exe: 0xC00000FD: Stack overflow.`
`00:59.37`	`Shirik`	`First-chance exception at 0x7c910701 in lua5.1.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location 0x00030ffc.`
`00:59.42`	`Shirik`	`that's what you get when you run that script`
`00:59.53`	`HannesV`	`I ran the script`
`00:59.54`	`HannesV`	`no errors`
`00:59.56`	`HannesV`	`just crashes`
`01:00.04`	`HannesV`	`damn, i'm talking in peices again >.<`
`01:00.10`	`Shirik`	`yeh, well you would have to attach a debugger to it to be able to see that :)`
`01:00.33`	`Shirik`	`I'm an American, but there are people from all over the world as Cide has said`
`01:00.39`	`Shirik`	`bleeter's from the UK I think?`
`01:00.45`	`Shirik`	`foxlit from ... finland?`
`01:00.47`	`HannesV`	`I'm belgian (Europe)`
`01:01.13`	`Shirik`	`I was wrong huh :(`
`01:01.22`	`HannesV`	`is the name foxlit taken from firefox? =P`
`01:01.37`	`foxlit`	`No, that's just silly :)`
`01:01.42`	`Shirik`	`I lose :(`
`01:01.43`	`HannesV`	`okai =D`
`01:01.49`	`Shirik`	`foxlit's from denmark`
`01:02.06`	`Shirik`	`bleeter conceals his identity behind a hostmask cloak`
`01:02.12`	`HannesV`	`no belgian guys here then`
`01:02.26`	`Shirik`	`maybe not currently...`
`01:02.30`	`HannesV`	`I am`
`01:02.31`	`HannesV`	`:D`
`01:02.31`	`Shirik`	`wouldn't be surprised if someone was`
`01:03.09`	`HannesV`	`big list here �h`
`01:03.14`	`HannesV`	`all afkers`
`01:03.49`	`Cide`	`like in most irc channels :P`
`01:04.09`	`Shirik`	`lies, IRC isn't filled with AFK people`
`01:04.09`	`Shirik`	`just leechers`
`01:04.23`	`HannesV`	`well, most aren't afk here I guess, I think most are just playin wow...`
`01:04.37`	`foxlit`	`I'm AFIW`
`01:04.47`	`Shirik`	`AFIW?`
`01:04.48`	`HannesV`	`what's IW?`
`01:04.49`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: my IP loc is 3500km's away from me`
`01:04.56`	`bleeter`	`I'm aware`
`01:04.57`	`foxlit`	`Away from I(RC, dammit) Window`
`01:04.57`	`Shirik`	`bleeter: Tor?`
`01:05.12`	`HannesV`	`sorry =/`
`01:05.14`	`HannesV`	`=]`
`01:05.16`	`foxlit`	`Mm, tor`
`01:05.22`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: nah, just the best $'d layer 2 connection I could find lol`
`01:05.24`	`foxlit`	`I should run an exit note :P`
`01:06.02`	`HannesV`	`bleeter, don't use hard terms when noobs are arround`
`01:06.22`	`foxlit`	`"ALE is a replacement lag indicator, with a graphical lag meter. It had an optional drinking game, but I axed it after Blizzard's 2.0 changes. "`
`01:06.25`	`Shirik`	`you should be aware many of us here are linux freaks too so get used to it :P`
`01:06.42`	`foxlit`	`I should get that just for the description, but tbh it wouldn't be on`
`01:06.52`	`HannesV`	`I got linux too`
`01:06.56`	`HannesV`	`ubuntu >.>`
`01:06.57`	`HannesV`	`=P`
`01:07.07`	`Cide`	`hi`
`01:07.07`	`Cide`	`there`
`01:07.08`	`Shirik`	`not on right now then :P`
`01:07.10`	`Cide`	`I'm \n`
`01:07.22`	`Shirik`	`>>> "No, I'M \n!"`
`01:07.22`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "No, I'M \n!"`
`01:07.28`	`foxlit`	`zomg, 117 downloads for prism`
`01:07.38`	`Shirik`	`awesome!`
`01:07.40`	`foxlit`	`What were 110 of them thinking?`
`01:07.44`	`Shirik`	`now how many of those people are actually using it`
`01:07.45`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`01:07.46`	`Industrial`	`someone throw me a fun video site - I love stand up comedy`
`01:07.47`	`Industrial`	`>_>`
`01:08.00`	`HannesV`	`www.youtube.com`
`01:08.04`	`Industrial`	`fail`
`01:08.10`	`HannesV`	`sihg`
`01:08.13`	`HannesV`	`sigh*`
`01:08.21`	`Shirik`	`RDXM_Patcher is almost done too`
`01:08.21`	`foxlit`	`I should add AES, tbh :P`
`01:08.28`	`Shirik`	`just has one little protocol problem and it'll be done`
`01:08.36`	`Shirik`	`for some reason timeouts aren't handled properly`
`01:08.40`	`foxlit`	`Psst, Shirik`
`01:08.44`	`foxlit`	`In-game bittorrent!`
`01:08.48`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`01:09.01`	`Shirik`	`it would be nearly untracable too, you know`
`01:09.18`	`Shirik`	`trying to find mp3 files and piece them back together in the middle of all that TCP traffic from WoW`
`01:09.26`	`foxlit`	`Well, you're sending binary junk over addon channels`
`01:09.26`	`HannesV`	`O_O`
`01:09.32`	`foxlit`	`I'd imagine Blizzard would get a hint`
`01:09.40`	`HannesV`	`you guys are damn confusing me`
`01:09.47`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`01:10.02`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: Cartographer sends what I would call "junk"`
`01:10.14`	`Shirik`	`I doubt it would...at least initially... set off any red flags`
`01:10.19`	`foxlit`	`But at least that's alphanumeric junk`
`01:10.24`	`HannesV`	`Oh, btw, who's the guy that made Lightheaded and tomtom?`
`01:10.24`	`Shirik`	`and even if it did, imagine your ISP trying to find that`
`01:10.28`	`Shirik`	`clad\|away :)`
`01:10.32`	`foxlit`	`People might get all weird when you're sending 255-255-254`
`01:10.45`	`Shirik`	`so ascii encode it all :)`
`01:10.48`	`HannesV`	`Well, I love that guy`
`01:10.57`	`HannesV`	`Lightheaded is so my favorite addon now`
`01:11.07`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-76-104-130-0.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`01:11.09`	`Shirik`	`>>> string.byte("\255\0\12AF\4")`
`01:11.09`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 255`
`01:11.12`	`Shirik`	`err`
`01:11.14`	`Shirik`	`oops`
`01:11.15`	`HannesV`	`AAAH`
`01:11.15`	`foxlit`	`I play in windowed mode`
`01:11.22`	`HannesV`	`is there a not-nerd channel here?`
`01:11.23`	`foxlit`	`Null termination at some layer, I guess`
`01:11.29`	`foxlit`	`Try #math`
`01:11.32`	`Shirik`	`rofl!`
`01:11.34`	`HannesV`	`=O`
`01:11.36`	`HannesV`	`=P`
`01:11.45`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, you're in a programming channel, what do you expect?`
`01:11.58`	`Shirik`	`Can you change the metatable on a string?`
`01:12.10`	`Shirik`	`I want to make an iterator for a string, was hoping to use pairs`
`01:12.16`	`Shirik`	`well, ipairs`
`01:12.23`	`HannesV`	`Shirik: You are right, sorry for that =]`
`01:12.23`	`Cide`	`Shirik: hmm?`
`01:12.40`	`Shirik`	`See the example above`
`01:12.42`	`Cide`	`as in, loop over the characters in a string with ipairs?`
`01:12.45`	`Shirik`	`I want to convert that entire string`
`01:12.46`	`Shirik`	`ya`
`01:12.49`	`Shirik`	`or some other method`
`01:12.53`	`Shirik`	`I guess string.gmatch`
`01:12.54`	`Shirik`	`?`
`01:13.05`	`Cide`	`you could just create an iterator yourself`
`01:13.08`	`foxlit`	`>>> a = setmetatable("boo", {__concat=function() error("boo!" end}); print(a);`
`01:13.08`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "a = setmetatable("boo", {__concat=function() error("boo!" end})..."]:1: ')' expected near 'end'`
`01:13.15`	`foxlit`	`>>> a = setmetatable("boo", {__concat=function() error("boo!"); end}); print(a);`
`01:13.16`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "a = setmetatable("boo", {__concat=function(..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got string)`
`01:13.33`	`HannesV`	`off topic (sorry guys): How can I make MIRC look good sighs`
`01:13.42`	`Shirik`	`http://nbs-irc.net`
`01:13.53`	`HannesV`	`thank you`
`01:14.02`	`Shirik`	`>>> for _, v in string.gmatch("\255\0-+HELLO WORLD\4", ".") do print(string.byte(v)) end`
`01:14.03`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "for _, v in string.gmatch("\255\0-+HELLO WO..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'byte' (string expected, got nil)`
`01:14.09`	`Shirik`	`hrm`
`01:14.15`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge PProvost (n=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost)`
`01:14.40`	`HannesV`	`brb`
`01:14.44`	`HannesV`	`gotta install this thing`
`01:14.57`	`Shirik`	`Also, RDX now has a completely new bossmod system!`
`01:15.01`	`Shirik`	`Should have been done a long time ago but meh`
`01:15.20`	`Shirik`	`>>> for v in string.gmatch("\255\0-+HELLO WORLD\4", ".") do print(string.byte(v)) end`
`01:15.20`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 255, 0, 45, 43, 72, 69, 76, 76, 79, 32, 87, 79, 82, 76, 68, 4`
`01:15.23`	`Shirik`	`there we go`
`01:15.23`	`zenzelezz`	`new in what way?`
`01:15.42`	`Shirik`	`The APIs are now specifically geared towards encounters instead of just generic APIs`
`01:15.48`	`Shirik`	`this results in implicit synchronization, etc.`
`01:16.07`	`Shirik`	`now I need to go rewrite all the bossmods heh`
`01:16.08`	`foxlit`	`Isn't string.gmatch there overkill?`
`01:16.17`	`Shirik`	`I couldn't think of a better way :(`
`01:16.22`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`01:17.07`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Wobwork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au)`
`01:17.13`	`foxlit`	`string.byte(s,i), but I guess you looked it up :)`
`01:17.22`	`Cide`	`>>> local function striter(str, i) return str:sub(i, i); end function stringiter(str) return striter, str, 0; end for value in stringiter("abcd") print(value); end`
`01:17.22`	`Cide`	`Cide: [string "local function striter(str, i) return str:sub(i, i); end functi..."]:1: 'do' expected near 'print'`
`01:17.29`	`Cide`	`>>> local function striter(str, i) return str:sub(i, i); end function stringiter(str) return striter, str, 0; end for value in stringiter("abcd") do print(value); end`
`01:17.29`	`Cide`	`Cide: [string "local function striter(str, i) return str:s..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'sub' (number expected, got string)`
`01:17.35`	`Shirik`	`wait hold up`
`01:17.38`	`Shirik`	`what's that?`
`01:17.40`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge HannesV (n=hannesve@ip-81-11-170-84.dsl.scarlet.be)`
`01:17.45`	`HannesV`	`heya`
`01:17.47`	`HannesV`	`hmm`
`01:17.49`	`Shirik`	`I would have done it as`
`01:17.51`	`HannesV`	`this still looks the same damn`
`01:17.52`	`foxlit`	`>>> s="foo!"; for i=1,strlen(s) do print(s:byte(i)); end`
`01:17.52`	`Cide`	`foxlit: 102, 111, 111, 33`
`01:17.56`	`Shirik`	`ya`
`01:17.56`	`Shirik`	`that`
`01:18.03`	`Shirik`	`except #s instead of strlen`
`01:18.09`	`Shirik`	`>>> #("foo!")`
`01:18.09`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 4`
`01:18.14`	`foxlit`	`# makes me think it's a table`
`01:18.19`	`Shirik`	`iirc strlen is deprecated like table.getn?`
`01:18.20`	`foxlit`	`Habit, really`
`01:18.26`	`batrick`	`So I got this frame that has BACKGROUND strata and is frame level 2, right next to the minimap, unfortunately it results in my not being able to ping the minimap. the really odd thing is if I reload my UI once after logging in it self corrects`
`01:18.29`	`batrick`	`anyone know why?`
`01:18.41`	`Shirik`	`wha?`
`01:18.45`	`Shirik`	`reloading fixes it?`
`01:18.48`	`Shirik`	`even if you just logged in?`
`01:18.48`	`batrick`	`yes...`
`01:18.51`	`batrick`	`yes`
`01:18.59`	`batrick`	`it makes little sense`
`01:19.01`	`Shirik`	`that's awesome`
`01:19.19`	`Shirik`	`HannesV: If it looks the same, you installed it wrong :P`
`01:19.26`	`Shirik`	`you should have installed it on top of your mirc installation`
`01:19.33`	`HannesV`	`ya I did`
`01:19.34`	`HannesV`	`I guess`
`01:19.34`	`HannesV`	`lol`
`01:19.50`	`HannesV`	`aha`
`01:19.51`	`HannesV`	`found it`
`01:19.52`	`HannesV`	`brb`
`01:19.53`	`HannesV`	`=P`
`01:20.02`	`Shirik`	`so...many...lines`
`01:20.08`	`zenzelezz`	`I was just about to say the sane`
`01:20.10`	`zenzelezz`	`*same`
`01:20.15`	`Shirik`	`I mean I know I'm bad about that too`
`01:20.20`	`Shirik`	`but at least I do more than 3 words at a time ><`
`01:20.47`	`Cide`	`>>> local function striter(str, i) i=i+1; if ( i <= #str ) then return i, str:sub(i, i); end end function stringiter(str) return striter, str, 0; end for key, value in stringiter("abcd") do print(value); end`
`01:20.48`	`Cide`	`Cide: "a", "b", "c", "d"`
`01:20.53`	`foxlit`	`Apostrophies are a killer`
`01:21.01`	`Shirik`	`except`
`01:21.03`	`foxlit`	`Haha, cide`
`01:21.21`	`Shirik`	`it's supposed to return the ASC% value..`
`01:21.27`	`Shirik`	`(BASIC notation there...)`
`01:21.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Hannesv (n=hannesve@ip-81-11-170-84.dsl.scarlet.be)`
`01:21.30`	`foxlit`	`value:byte()`
`01:21.35`	`Hannesv`	`yay`
`01:21.37`	`Hannesv`	`=D`
`01:21.37`	`Shirik`	`oh is that an iterator`
`01:21.37`	`foxlit`	`doesn't matter much`
`01:21.40`	`Shirik`	`missed that`
`01:21.45`	`Shirik`	`yeah it is`
`01:21.48`	`Cide`	`>>> local function striter(str, i) i=i+1; if ( i <= #str ) then return i, str:sub(i, i):byte(); end end function stringiter(str) return striter, str, 0; end for key, value in stringiter("abcd") do print(value); end`
`01:21.48`	`Cide`	`Cide: 97, 98, 99, 100`
`01:21.48`	`Hannesv`	`Thanks shirik`
`01:22.06`	`foxlit`	`That's a bit like doing`
`01:23.29`	`batrick`	`>>>do`
`01:23.29`	`Cide`	`batrick: [string "do"]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>'`
`01:23.30`	`foxlit`	`>>> a, ops = "5 * 5", {[""]=function(a,b) return tonumber(a) tonumber(b); end}; a = a:gsub("(%d+)%s%%s(%d+)", ops[""]) print(a);`
`01:23.30`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "25"`
`01:23.36`	`batrick`	`cide it could be better!`
`01:23.46`	`foxlit`	`I'll get back to other operators in a second`
`01:23.53`	`Shirik`	`haha!`
`01:23.56`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@cpe-75-80-221-35.hawaii.res.rr.com)`
`01:24.01`	`Shirik`	`nbsirc has an irssi theme!`
`01:24.03`	`Shirik`	`awesome`
`01:24.03`	`Hannesv`	`hey`
`01:24.05`	`Hannesv`	`ckknight`
`01:24.12`	`Shirik`	`I told you :P`
`01:24.13`	`Hannesv`	`that's the guy from fubar XD`
`01:24.15`	`Shirik`	`1521:23:52 12-0!12- Join: ckknight 14[n=ckknight@cpe-75-80-221-35.hawaii.res.rr.com14]`
`01:24.18`	`Shirik`	`btw that's awesome ^^`
`01:24.20`	`Cide`	`foxlit: hey now, that's overkill!`
`01:24.26`	`Hannesv`	`oops`
`01:24.29`	`ckknight`	`Shirik: that I'm in Hawaii?`
`01:24.36`	`Hannesv`	`=#`
`01:24.37`	`Shirik`	`eh, well that's awesome too`
`01:24.44`	`ckknight`	`or what?`
`01:24.47`	`Shirik`	`but I meant the part about nbsirc having an irssi theme ^^`
`01:24.49`	`foxlit`	`You'd have to do a bit of clever looping to get it to evaluate in proper order`
`01:24.57`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`01:25.00`	`ckknight`	`hey Hannesv`
`01:25.29`	`Hannesv`	`hey ckknight`
`01:25.34`	`Hannesv`	`thanks for ur addons lol`
`01:25.35`	`Hannesv`	`XD`
`01:25.39`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`01:25.47`	`Shirik`	`he was asking if you come around here`
`01:26.03`	`Hannesv`	`eh?`
`01:26.09`	`Hannesv`	`damn!`
`01:26.13`	`Hannesv`	`I need to go to bed`
`01:26.16`	`ckknight`	`Hannesv: lol, alright then`
`01:26.18`	`Hannesv`	`3:30 here`
`01:26.22`	`Hannesv`	`gotta work tomorrow :o`
`01:26.24`	`foxlit`	`Hm, Cide, do you serialize functions?`
`01:26.27`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV`
`01:26.28`	`Cide`	`foxlit: { ["SV"] = { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007C9718, ["SV"] = <table: #2> } (#2), ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007C96F8, ["foo"] = 1 } (#1)`
`01:26.32`	`Hannesv`	`Guys`
`01:26.32`	`Cide`	`foxlit: yeah`
`01:26.36`	`foxlit`	`Good :)`
`01:26.37`	`Hannesv`	`It was a pleasure XD`
`01:26.40`	`Hannesv`	`bye now`
`01:26.46`	`Shirik`	`yey`
`01:26.47`	`Hannesv`	`cya tomorrow I guess`
`01:26.47`	`Cide`	`but don't serialize c functions, it corrupts the file for some reason =/`
`01:26.54`	`Shirik`	`my GetRandomArgument functiono is still there`
`01:26.55`	`foxlit`	`metatables? :)`
`01:27.13`	`Hannesv`	`>.>`
`01:27.14`	`Hannesv`	`ok`
`01:27.15`	`Hannesv`	`bye`
`01:27.15`	`Hannesv`	`X`
`01:27.16`	`Hannesv`	`XD`
`01:27.23`	`Cide`	`foxlit: hm?`
`01:27.26`	`Hannesv`	`sorry for talking in peices again`
`01:27.27`	`Cide`	`Hannesv: christ`
`01:27.28`	`Hannesv`	`GGRRRR`
`01:27.29`	`Shirik`	`he said metatables`
`01:27.40`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.mathops = {[""] =function(a,b) return tonumber(a)tonumber(b); end, ["+"] =function(a,b) return tonumber(a)+tonumber(b); end, ["-"] =function(a,b) return tonumber(a)-tonumber(b); end, ["/"] =function(a,b) return tonumber(a)/tonumber(b); end};`
`01:27.40`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:27.50`	`Wobwork`	`WTB chat event bucketing =P`
`01:27.56`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
`01:27.59`	`Shirik`	`I'm writing an irc client`
`01:28.02`	`Shirik`	`maybe I'll add that in :)`
`01:28.14`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.mathopsmeta = {__index=function() return math.random(500); end}`
`01:28.14`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:28.19`	`Wobwork`	`then he'd sound manic =P`
`01:28.24`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`01:28.31`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.mathwithops = setmetatable(SV.mathops, SV.mathopsmeta)`
`01:28.31`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:28.36`	`Wobwork`	`>.> ok bye >< right yes? okay cool.`
`01:28.38`	`foxlit`	`>>> getmetatable(SV.mathwithops)`
`01:28.39`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:28.40`	`Cide`	`oh, it doesn't save metatables, no =/`
`01:28.51`	`Cide`	`not sure how easy/hard that would be`
`01:28.53`	`Shirik`	`there isn't really any easy way to do that`
`01:28.57`	`Shirik`	`WoW doesn't either`
`01:29.02`	`Cide`	`ya`
`01:29.07`	`Shirik`	`you'd have to go through getmetatable()`
`01:29.09`	`Cide`	`I'd have to create a separate storage probably`
`01:29.16`	`Shirik`	`on top of that, you'd have to ensure that __metatable isn't set`
`01:29.17`	`Cide`	`yeah, that'd suck`
`01:29.23`	`Shirik`	`which means wrapping in pcall()`
`01:29.34`	`Cide`	`eh, filing that under 'not worth it' ;)`
`01:29.37`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`01:29.43`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV`
`01:29.44`	`Cide`	`foxlit: { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007CFBB8, ["mathopsmeta"] = { ["__index"] = function: 007CFC18 } (#2), ["SV"] = { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007CFC38, ["SV"] = <table: #3> } (#3), ["mathops... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`01:29.54`	`Shirik`	`well I guess you don't need a pcall() but still`
`01:30.03`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.math = function() return setmetatable(SV.mathops, SV.mathopsmeta); end`
`01:30.04`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:30.06`	`foxlit`	`There`
`01:30.22`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.math()`
`01:30.23`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "SV.math()"]:1: attempt to call field 'math' (a nil value)`
`01:30.26`	`foxlit`	`Now I can write my calculator of doom`
`01:30.40`	`Shirik`	`you obviously failed :P`
`01:30.57`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.math`
`01:30.57`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`01:31.02`	`foxlit`	`>>> for k,v in pairs(sv) print(k); end`
`01:31.02`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "for k,v in pairs(sv) print(k); end"]:1: 'do' expected near 'print'`
`01:31.09`	`foxlit`	`>>> for k,v in pairs(sv) do print(k); end`
`01:31.09`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "for k,v in pairs(sv) do print(k); end"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)`
`01:31.15`	`foxlit`	`>>> for k,v in pairs(SV) do print(k); end`
`01:31.16`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "GetRandomArgument", "mathopsmeta", "SV", "mathops", "mathwithops", "foo"`
`01:31.30`	`Shirik`	`your math got owned`
`01:31.32`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.giefmath = function() return setmetatable(SV.mathops, SV.mathopsmeta); end`
`01:31.32`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:31.34`	`foxlit`	`>>> for k,v in pairs(SV) do print(k); end`
`01:31.34`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "GetRandomArgument", "mathopsmeta", "SV", "mathops", "mathwithops", "foo"`
`01:31.40`	`Cide`	`heh, interesting`
`01:31.57`	`Cide`	`>>> string`
`01:31.57`	`Cide`	`Cide: { ["sub"] = function: 001695A0, ["trim"] = function: 0016A9B8, ["upper"] = function: 001695E0, ["len"] = function: 00169460, ["gfind"] = function: 001693A0, ["rep"] = function: 00169520, ["find"] = fu... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`01:31.58`	`Shirik`	`>>> return function() return setmetatable(SV.mathops, SV.mathopsmeta); end`
`01:31.58`	`Cide`	`Shirik: function: 007CFF50`
`01:32.02`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`01:32.04`	`Shirik`	`curious`
`01:32.11`	`Cide`	`what's the string representation function called again?`
`01:32.21`	`Cide`	`>>> for k, v in pairs(string) do print(k) end`
`01:32.21`	`Cide`	`Cide: "sub", "trim", "upper", "len", "gfind", "rep", "find", "match", "char", "dump", "gmatch", "reverse", "byte", "format", "gsub", "lower"`
`01:32.27`	`Shirik`	`string.char?`
`01:32.32`	`foxlit`	`no`
`01:32.35`	`Shirik`	`like to take an ascii number to a character?`
`01:32.35`	`Cide`	`>>> string.dump(function() return setmetatable(foo, boo) end)`
`01:32.35`	`Cide`	`Cide: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\000A\000\000\000return string.dump(function() return setmetatable(foo, boo) end)\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\000\000\000\003\006\000\000\000\005\000\000\000E@\000\000\133\128\000\000\029\000\128\001\030\000\000\000\030\000\128\000\003\000\000\000\004\r\000\000\000setmetatable\000\004\004\000\000\000foo\000\004\004\000\000\000boo\000\000\000\000\000\006\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\`
`01:32.35`	`foxlit`	`string.dump`
`01:32.43`	`Cide`	`weird`
`01:32.51`	`Shirik`	`oh function to string`
`01:32.52`	`Cide`	`>>> loadstring(string.dump(function() return setmetatable(foo, boo) end))()`
`01:32.53`	`Cide`	`Cide: [string "loadstring(string.dump(function() return se..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got nil)`
`01:32.57`	`Cide`	`seems to work fine...`
`01:33.09`	`Shirik`	`foo boo?`
`01:33.12`	`Thrae`	`Cide: Are you familiar with Lua sockets? I'm trying to make a "TinyURL" maker to ThraeBot.`
`01:33.13`	`Shirik`	`not bar?`
`01:33.21`	`Cide`	`Thrae: afraid not =/`
`01:33.39`	`Cide`	`Shirik: sorry, my bad`
`01:33.44`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`01:33.44`	`foxlit`	`There's enough code to pillage in Foxbot's wiki implementation :)`
`01:34.05`	`foxlit`	`POSTs, GETs, it does it all :)`
`01:34.11`	`foxlit`	`plus docs for http are decent`
`01:34.27`	`Shirik`	`HEADs?`
`01:34.40`	`foxlit`	`Who needs those?`
`01:34.46`	`Thrae`	`foxlit: The http docs suck...I can't figure out how to do a POST request when the content-length is required`
`01:34.46`	`Cide`	`what about HEAD?`
`01:34.46`	`Shirik`	`incomplete.`
`01:34.47`	`Shirik`	`Pathetic.`
`01:34.50`	`Cide`	`bah, Shirik beat me`
`01:34.54`	`Shirik`	`^^`
`01:34.54`	`zenzelezz`	`HEAD = GET without the body`
`01:35.04`	`Shirik`	`but was it implemented?`
`01:35.05`	`zenzelezz`	`can be handy when you only want the headers`
`01:35.09`	`Cide`	`PUT, DELETE, TRACE, OPTIONS, CONNECT?`
`01:35.20`	`foxlit`	`Who knows; I didn't write the thing :)`
`01:35.24`	`Cide`	`HTTP servers are supposed to implement at least the GET and HEAD methods and, whenever possible, also the OPTIONS method.`
`01:35.39`	`Shirik`	`wtb DELETE implementation in all servers`
`01:35.49`	`foxlit`	`But it sure has a kitchen sink in its proxy implementation`
`01:38.08`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.replace = function(s, p, r) local os; while os ~= s do os, s = s, s:gsub(p, r); return s; end`
`01:38.09`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "SV.replace = function(s, p, r) local os; while os ~= s do os, s..."]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>'`
`01:38.19`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.replace = function(s, p, r) local os; while os ~= s do os, s = s, s:gsub(p, r); end return s; end`
`01:38.19`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:38.25`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.replace`
`01:38.25`	`Cide`	`foxlit: function: 007C9078`
`01:40.00`	`Shirik`	`Thrae: Why can't you figure that out?`
`01:40.07`	`Shirik`	`i.e., what don't you understand?`
`01:40.10`	`foxlit`	`>>> s, m = "(5+2) * 2", SV.mathops; s = SV.replace(s, "%(%s(%d+)%s([+/-])%s(%d+)%s%)", function(a, o, b) return m[o](a,b) end); s = SV.replace(s, "(%d+)%s([+/-])%s(%d+)", function(a, o, b) return m[o](a,b) end); print(s);`
`01:40.11`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "14"`
`01:41.25`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domathpart = function(a, o, b) return SV.mathops[o](a,b); end`
`01:41.25`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:42.30`	`Shirik`	`hrm, I just thought of a problem in Cide's bot`
`01:42.35`	`Shirik`	`no big deal but`
`01:42.41`	`Cide`	`Shirik: hm?`
`01:42.56`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.somenum = 0; SV.foo = function() SV.somenum = SV.somenum + 1; end`
`01:42.57`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`01:43.00`	`Shirik`	`ok, knowing that`
`01:43.06`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.foo()`
`01:43.06`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`01:43.11`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.somenum`
`01:43.11`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 2`
`01:43.15`	`Shirik`	`;)`
`01:43.32`	`Shirik`	`not important enough to warrant fixing but hey :P`
`01:43.39`	`Cide`	`how'd that happen? :)`
`01:43.45`	`Shirik`	`because you run it twice`
`01:43.52`	`Shirik`	`once without "return" in front of it, once with`
`01:43.55`	`Shirik`	`both are valid`
`01:44.04`	`Cide`	`ah, nice`
`01:44.11`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath = function(s) s = s:gsub("(%b())", SV.domath); return SV.replace(s, "(%d+)%s([+/-])%s*(%d+)", SV.domathpart); end`
`01:44.11`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:44.19`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath("2+2");`
`01:44.19`	`Shirik`	`what is foxlit doing anyway >.>`
`01:44.19`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "4"`
`01:44.33`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath("(2+2)*5");`
`01:44.34`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "SV.domath = function(s) s = s:gsub("(%b())"..."]:1: C stack overflow`
`01:44.39`	`Shirik`	`owned`
`01:45.27`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath = function(s) s = s:match("^%(?(.-)%)?$"); s = s:gsub("(%b())", SV.domath); return SV.replace(s, "(%d+)%s([+/-])%s*(%d+)", SV.domathpart); end`
`01:45.28`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:45.30`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath("(2+2)*5");`
`01:45.30`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "SV.domath("(2+2)*5");"]:1: attempt to call field 'domath' (a nil value)`
`01:46.32`	`foxlit`	`I'm on a quest to make the most sinister implementation of a simple calculator`
`01:46.50`	`Shirik`	`I have an easy one`
`01:47.23`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath`
`01:47.23`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:47.34`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath = function(s) s = s:gsub("(%b())", SV.domath); return SV.replace(s, "(%d+)%s([+/-])%s*(%d+)", SV.domathpart); end`
`01:47.35`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:47.36`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath`
`01:47.37`	`Cide`	`foxlit: function: 001C91B8`
`01:47.45`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath = function(s) s = s:match("^%(?(.-)%)?$"); s = s:gsub("(%b())", SV.domath); return SV.replace(s, "(%d+)%s([+/-])%s*(%d+)", SV.domathpart); end`
`01:47.45`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:47.47`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.domath`
`01:47.48`	`Cide`	`foxlit: nil`
`01:47.51`	`foxlit`	`meh?`
`01:48.05`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath = function(s) e = getfenv(0); setfenv(0, {}) local r = assert(loadstring(s), "Invalid math function")(); setfenv(0, e); return r; end`
`01:48.05`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`01:48.08`	`Shirik`	`that should do it`
`01:48.26`	`Shirik`	`SV.Shirik_domath("return 1+2*3")`
`01:48.32`	`Shirik`	`hrm`
`01:48.35`	`Shirik`	`need to add in the return implicitly though`
`01:48.45`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath = function(s) e = getfenv(0); setfenv(0, {}) local r = assert(loadstring("return "..s), "Invalid math function")(); setfenv(0, e); return r; end`
`01:48.46`	`Cide`	`Shirik: nil`
`01:48.53`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath("1+2*3");`
`01:48.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 7`
`01:48.56`	`Shirik`	`I win.`
`01:49.30`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath("function a(a) return a(a); end a(a);");`
`01:49.30`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "SV.Shirik_domath = function(s) e = getfenv(..."]:1: Invalid math function`
`01:49.39`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`01:49.53`	`Shirik`	`note it inserts a "return"`
`01:50.50`	`Shirik`	`cmon, take the easy way out :P`
`01:50.55`	`foxlit`	`Indeed`
`01:51.26`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath("loadstring([[function a(a) return a(a); end return a(a);]])()");`
`01:51.27`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "return loadstring([[function a(a) return a(..."]:1: attempt to call global 'loadstring' (a nil value)`
`01:51.32`	`foxlit`	`Ah, feck, globals`
`01:51.33`	`Shirik`	`the only reason I thought that way is because I use VFL.print() to do that sometimes`
`01:51.43`	`Shirik`	`I got rid of the environment :P`
`01:51.55`	`Shirik`	`for obvious reasons =P`
`01:55.06`	`bleeter`	`anyone from Winnipeg in here? http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22015600-13762,00.html`
`01:56.02`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath([[("pants"):repeat(200000)]]);`
`01:56.02`	`Cide`	`foxlit: [string "SV.Shirik_domath = function(s) e = getfenv(..."]:1: Invalid math function`
`01:56.06`	`Shirik`	`grrr`
`01:56.11`	`Shirik`	`every time you do that, I get pinged twice!`
`01:56.15`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath([[("pants"):rep(200000)]]);`
`01:56.15`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "pantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspantspant... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`01:56.21`	`Shirik`	`bleh`
`01:56.26`	`Corrodias`	`uh oh. Threat isn't picking up my Hurricane threat.`
`01:56.39`	`Shirik`	`fine`
`01:56.48`	`Shirik`	`I would debug.sethook but Cide restricted that`
`01:56.50`	`Cide`	`Shirik: what're you doing? :P`
`01:56.59`	`Shirik`	`trying to make a simple solution to foxlit's problem`
`01:57.04`	`Shirik`	`he was trying to make a calculator`
`01:57.06`	`Shirik`	`i.e.,`
`01:57.14`	`foxlit`	`You can't make a simple solution to my problem`
`01:57.15`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.Shirik_domath("2^3+6*3")`
`01:57.15`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 26`
`01:57.20`	`foxlit`	`it has to be a _sinister_ calculator`
`01:57.24`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`01:57.28`	`Cide`	`what about`
`01:57.32`	`foxlit`	`If it's simple, it's not sinister!`
`01:57.39`	`Shirik`	`it's sinister to you`
`01:57.42`	`Shirik`	`because I made it so quickly`
`01:57.58`	`Shirik`	`212:482:41 12�Shirik12� >>> SV.Shirik_domath = function(s) e = getfenv(0); setfenv(0, {}) local r = assert(loadstring("return "..s), "Invalid math function")(); setfenv(0, e); return r; end`
`01:57.59`	`Cide`	`>>> SV.Cide_domath = function(str) return loadstring(("return %s"):format(str))(); end`
`01:57.59`	`Cide`	`Cide: nil`
`01:58.00`	`Shirik`	`that was my solution`
`01:58.10`	`foxlit`	`pantspantspants!`
`01:58.10`	`Cide`	`>>> SV.Cide_domath("2^3+6*3")`
`01:58.10`	`Cide`	`Cide: 26`
`01:58.22`	`Shirik`	`yeah but don't you have the same problem again?`
`01:58.33`	`Shirik`	`in fact, you didn't even restrict the environment so`
`01:58.52`	`Cide`	`meh, details :)`
`01:58.58`	`Shirik`	`>>> SV.Cide_domath("print([[hai Cide!]]);");`
`01:58.58`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "hai Cide!"`
`01:59.11`	`Shirik`	`naturally that could be done otherwise but that's not the point`
`01:59.51`	`Shirik`	`I at least took the time to setfenv(0, {}) =P ... and this isn't C you don't have to worry about a user-supplied format string :)`
`01:59.53`	`Corrodias`	`i need a Threat author to whine to`
`02:00.06`	`Shirik`	`I don't think at least`
`02:00.10`	`Shirik`	`dunno.. what would happen`
`02:00.41`	`Shirik`	`>>> return ("%s"):format()`
`02:00.42`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "return ("%s"):format()"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'format' (string expected, got no value)`
`02:00.56`	`Shirik`	`>>> return ("%d %s"):format(1)`
`02:00.56`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "return ("%d %s"):format(1)"]:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got no value)`
`02:01.05`	`Shirik`	`yeh so Lua takes care of it :)`
`02:01.09`	`foxlit`	`>>> string.dump(function(a,b) return tonumber(a)+tonumber(b); end)`
`02:01.10`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\000F\000\000\000return string.dump(function(a,b) return tonumber(a)+tonumber(b); end)\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\000\002\000\005\t\000\000\000\133\000\000\000\192\000\000\000\156\128\000\001\197\000\000\000\000\001\128\000\220\128\000\001\140\192\000\001\158\000\000\001\030\000\128\000\001\000\000\000\004\t\000\000\000tonumber\000\000\000\000\000\t\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\0`
`02:01.20`	`foxlit`	`>>> string.dump(function(a,b) return tonumber(a)-tonumber(b); end)`
`02:01.20`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\000F\000\000\000return string.dump(function(a,b) return tonumber(a)-tonumber(b); end)\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\000\002\000\005\t\000\000\000\133\000\000\000\192\000\000\000\156\128\000\001\197\000\000\000\000\001\128\000\220\128\000\001\141\192\000\001\158\000\000\001\030\000\128\000\001\000\000\000\004\t\000\000\000tonumber\000\000\000\000\000\t\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\0`
`02:01.23`	`Shirik`	`ow`
`02:01.29`	`Shirik`	`so many 0000000s`
`02:01.50`	`foxlit`	`But is there a difference?`
`02:02.08`	`Shirik`	`the - and + ?`
`02:02.08`	`foxlit`	`\001\140\192\ vs \001\141\192\`
`02:03.08`	`foxlit`	`Ah well, time to clean up`
`02:03.18`	`foxlit`	`>>> for k, v in pairs(SV) do print(k); end`
`02:03.20`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "GetRandomArgument", "Cide_domath", "mathwithops", "domathpart", "mathops", "Shirik_domath", "mathopsmeta", "somenum", "SV", "replace", "foo"`
`02:03.38`	`Shirik`	`woot, now I get pinged every time someone outputs the contents of SV`
`02:04.01`	`Cide`	`oh god =/`
`02:04.14`	`Cide`	`why did we add SV.SV btw? :P`
`02:04.17`	`foxlit`	`>>> SV.mathwithops, SV.mathops, SV.mathopsmeta, SV.replace, SV.domathpart = nil; print("bai!")`
`02:04.17`	`Cide`	`foxlit: "bai!"`
`02:04.23`	`Cairenn`	`just as a reminder guys, only two hours left until we draw the names for the BlizzCon tickets - if you planned on submitting your name, you are running out of time.`
`02:04.38`	`Corrodias`	`i can't afford the travel. a ticket would have been easy.`
`02:05.26`	`Shirik`	`no way I could make the time for it`
`02:05.34`	`Shirik`	`on a brighter note, I start my internship on thursday :D`
`02:05.49`	`foxlit`	`wowi background is odd`
`02:05.59`	`foxlit`	`It disassembles into texture-blocks when scrolled`
`02:05.59`	`Shirik`	`assuming I passed the drug test, but not entirely worried about that`
`02:06.29`	`Lunessa`	`Unless my fairy godmother drops a wad o'cash in my wallet, I can't go to Blizzcon, no mattter how much I'd love to. :/`
`02:06.38`	`Shirik`	`sounds like a browser issue to me?`
`02:06.51`	`Shirik`	`I don't have that problem`
`02:07.19`	`foxlit`	`No`
`02:07.21`	`foxlit`	`You're just blind :)`
`02:07.34`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`02:07.36`	`zenzelezz`	`no problem here either`
`02:07.47`	`Shirik`	`obviously you're blind too zenzelezz`
`02:08.22`	`foxlit`	`I'll get you a picture in a minute`
`02:08.44`	`zenzelezz`	`no, I'm just very far-sighted`
`02:09.17`	`Shirik`	`I'm actually nearsighted myself, but only 20/30`
`02:09.24`	`Shirik`	`not really bad`
`02:09.32`	`zenzelezz`	`I have no idea what I am on the 20/20 scale`
`02:09.44`	`Shirik`	`most people put my glasses on and say "do these really have a perscription?"`
`02:09.47`	`Shirik`	`I usually don't wear them`
`02:09.50`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm +8.5 on both eyes, 0 being perfect vision. Don't know what the system is called`
`02:10.04`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: That's just focal length, the actual calculation`
`02:10.21`	`Shirik`	`20/20 just says "I can see at 20 feet what average people see at 20 feet`
`02:10.26`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge rophy (n=Miranda@csw186.cs.nthu.edu.tw)`
`02:10.33`	`zenzelezz`	`I know that part`
`02:10.36`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`02:10.40`	`zenzelezz`	`just don't know what the numbers in my system means`
`02:10.43`	`Shirik`	`just don't actually know where you are`
`02:10.43`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`02:10.56`	`Shirik`	`well everyone uses those numbers too :) If you turn in a perscription it'll always have that on it`
`02:11.08`	`Shirik`	`prescription`
`02:11.12`	`Shirik`	`I knew I was spelling that wrong`
`02:11.29`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, a doctor wouldn't write 20/20 on a prescription because it doesn't really mean much`
`02:11.41`	`foxlit`	`http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3729/wowistackaa7.png`
`02:11.42`	`Shirik`	`on the other hand +8.5 is one of a few numbers that specifies the exact lens needed`
`02:12.16`	`foxlit`	`Only 70kb!`
`02:12.26`	`Shirik`	`woot it has a pic of Cairenn`
`02:12.28`	`zenzelezz`	`foxlit: clearly photoshopped`
`02:12.42`	`Shirik`	`totally.`
`02:13.52`	`foxlit`	`Nah, that texture just has an odd height`
`02:14.10`	`foxlit`	`But it has to be 4am for you to notice!`
`02:14.21`	`Shirik`	`I'm looking at the exact same page now and don't see it :/`
`02:15.43`	`foxlit`	`take a screenshot and zoom in :)`
`02:16.38`	`Shirik`	`still nothing...`
`02:18.22`	`Cairenn`	`I can't see it either, but my eyes are tired atm, so`
`02:18.35`	`foxlit`	`There's a stack every 108 pixels`
`02:18.55`	`Shirik`	`I don't even see a change where they could stack`
`02:19.13`	`Shirik`	`i.e., I think your bit depth is too low and... what's it called`
`02:19.17`	`Shirik`	`starts with a d`
`02:19.18`	`Lunessa`	`Would someone else take a look @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=116261999&sid=1 and let me know what I overlooked?`
`02:19.41`	`foxlit`	`Nah, there should be one`
`02:20.04`	`foxlit`	`The left and right menu textures are 170x107px and 165x107px`
`02:20.14`	`foxlit`	`The pattern is a simple checkerboard`
`02:20.31`	`foxlit`	`Odd number of pixels = top row and bottom row are identical`
`02:21.35`	`foxlit`	`So at every "stich" location of the textures, you should get two of the same lines, which would give you a slightly different-color line from the rest of the background`
`02:21.50`	`Shirik`	`I don't see this checkerboard`
`02:22.00`	`Shirik`	`that's what I'm saying`
`02:22.10`	`foxlit`	`aww, you need more contrast`
`02:22.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i see it in the pic but not the actual site`
`02:22.41`	`foxlit`	`#000000 and #1B1B1B are the two colors, should be far enough apart`
`02:23.10`	`Shirik`	`I'm convinced your color bid depth is low`
`02:23.21`	`Shirik`	`resulting in a picture that creates that checkerboard to imitate the pattern`
`02:23.28`	`Shirik`	`and there is a term for this that starts with a d, but I can't remember it`
`02:23.34`	`foxlit`	`dithering`
`02:23.40`	`Shirik`	`that's it`
`02:23.40`	`MentalPower\|Work`	`foxlit: WoW only accept pictures whose dimensions are powers of 2`
`02:23.55`	`MentalPower\|Work`	`s/pictures/textures`
`02:23.58`	`foxlit`	`MentalPower\|Work: we're talking about wowinterface.com`
`02:24.04`	`MentalPower\|Work`	`ah, nm then`
`02:24.06`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: tbh, no.`
`02:24.23`	`Shirik`	`Lunessa: That will cancel in all cases for button 1`
`02:24.53`	`Lunessa`	`Bah... I out-clevered myself.`
`02:24.55`	`Lunessa`	`Thanks`
`02:25.13`	`Shirik`	`er, sorry, stops in all cases for button 2`
`02:25.26`	`foxlit`	`http://fs2.wowinterface.com/images/wowi/layout/menu-right-bg.gif :)`
`02:25.39`	`Lunessa`	`Right. I figured out what you meant.`
`02:26.00`	`Shirik`	`I can't post that reply because wow's forums are incredibly over-graphiced`
`02:26.01`	`Shirik`	`so you get to`
`02:26.22`	`Shirik`	`and because I have a 12000ms ping atm`
`02:26.27`	`Shirik`	`I think it's time to head off to bed`
`02:26.29`	`Shirik`	`take care`
`02:28.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`when was wow released? nov 11 2004?`
`02:28.49`	`foxlit`	`february!`
`02:29.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`for eu..`
`02:29.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`nov in us`
`02:29.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`di i get the date right?`
`02:29.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`did*`
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`02:29.48`	`Tem`	`AnduinLothar, I think it's later than that`
`02:29.53`	`Tem`	`like, after thanksgiving`
`02:30.03`	`Tem`	`nov 24 is what's sticking in my head`
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`02:35.42`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21997186-2,00.html (might've been mentioned already)`
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`02:41.45`	`Dreadlorde`	`hi`
`02:43.18`	`MentalPower\|Work`	`AnduinLothar: 24th`
`02:43.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`thx`
`02:43.42`	`MentalPower\|Work`	`my guild's /ginfo says it was created the 24th and I know they created it the day it launched`
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`02:45.48`	`Gryphen`	`23rd, my /ginfo create date, as is my account which states the 23rd`
`02:47.07`	`Cairenn`	`for those of you who care - no more neon green - I told him to cut it out`
`02:48.07`	`Wobwork`	`Cairenn: hurrah =)`
`02:48.28`	`Wobwork`	`s/hurrah/<blink>hurrah</blink>/`
`02:48.44`	`Cairenn`	`hehe`
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`02:56.34`	`batrick`	`cairenn, are addon authors considered premium members?`
`02:56.52`	`Cairenn`	`no, not unless they've signed up`
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`03:31.41`	`Lunessa`	`Ciao tutti!`
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`03:42.07`	`cogwheel`	`(Apologies in advance... i just can't resist)... Looks like they're Aceing the default UI... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102909678&sid=1&pageNo=5`
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`03:47.08`	`Cide`	`yessssssssss`
`03:47.12`	`Cide`	`FINALLY`
`03:50.16`	`bleeter`	`hmm, and here I was thinking it was switching from Tcl/Tk to C++ that'd give the speed improvements`
`03:56.00`	`Corrodias`	`time to try the wow ace updater`
`03:57.00`	`Corrodias`	`externalize my libraries, update my out of date crap`
`03:57.15`	`Corrodias`	`i'm hip`
`03:57.56`	`Corrodias`	`and it crashes on load. yay!`
`03:58.07`	`Corrodias`	`second load, no crash`
`04:05.21`	`Corrodias`	`i seem to have failed to make it externalize the libraries.`
`04:07.12`	`Corrodias`	`i'm looking at the wrong folder!`
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`04:13.23`	`Corrodias`	`odd... i wonder why fubar doesn't show on my list in wau`
`04:15.37`	`Corrodias`	`that's better`
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`05:21.59`	`Cairenn`	`congrats to AnduinLothar, Fizzbanne and Haggan`
`05:25.20`	`batrick`	`grats`
`05:25.23`	`bleeter`	`grats`
`05:25.28`	`bleeter`	`woffor? do they win a rubber ducky?`
`05:25.39`	`Cairenn`	`blizzcon tickets`
`05:25.56`	`bleeter`	`oh, meh`
`05:26.16`	`bleeter`	`soz, events on the other side of the planet really interest me ;)`
`05:26.49`	`bleeter`	`all those going to BlizzCon: Feel free to remind them the weather in Brisbane/Sydney is really nice in the middle of Northern Hemisphere winter ;)`
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`05:28.29`	`Cairenn`	`whimper`
`05:39.30`	`Wobwork`	`woo AL made it did he?`
`05:39.37`	`Wobwork`	`(Ot'`
`05:39.40`	`Wobwork`	`It's true)`
`05:41.01`	`Wobwork`	`hehe this is cute`
`05:41.02`	`Wobwork`	`http://meadowbankroom18.blogspot.com/`
`05:51.35`	`Wobwork`	`We get to install microwave ovens`
`05:51.41`	`Wobwork`	`custom kitchen deliveries`
`05:52.07`	`Wobwork`	`(there's actually good music playing on the office speakers =P)`
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`06:29.58`	`bleeter`	`major hacks... gnomes falling from the sky, spelling out some gold selling website URL`
`06:30.09`	`bleeter`	`course, can't see what it actually says, too many have come to look`
`06:30.38`	`bleeter`	`someone's suggesting it's spelling 'wowmine.com'`
`06:30.56`	`Cairenn`	`bleeter: can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking?`
`06:31.05`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: I shit you now`
`06:31.07`	`bleeter`	`not`
`06:31.18`	`bleeter`	`there's like.. 100 dead gnomes on the floor outside IF bank/AH`
`06:31.24`	`Cairenn`	`that's good, I'm really not into that`
`06:31.47`	`bleeter`	`I'd heard about it on other realms earlier, both in IF and Org`
`06:31.54`	`Cairenn`	`weird`
`06:32.17`	`bleeter`	`apparently they all 'fell from the sky'`
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`06:33.59`	`bleeter`	`one of the corpses is 'real', albeit with random char name`
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`06:37.51`	`bleeter`	`well, it's certainly breathed life back in to what was becoming a really dead quiet IF`
`06:38.27`	`Cairenn`	`I still say that's really weird`
`06:39.09`	`Wobwork`	`then again, anyone who goes "Oh look, a website link made of dead gnomes for gold! I'll go follow that" is a bit on the disturbed side anyway`
`06:39.19`	`Cairenn`	`lol, point`
`06:39.33`	`bleeter`	`it's certainly getting the website mentioned a lot in /trade... 'what's it say?'`
`06:39.33`	`Wobwork`	`"I was just waiting for an excuse! These dead gnomes provide me with that!"`
`06:40.08`	`Wobwork`	`You should say "It says LOLCAT"`
`06:40.16`	`Wobwork`	`and everyone would ignore it`
`06:40.23`	`Cairenn`	`I'm sure the GMs are absolutely loving it ... not`
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`06:40.43`	`bleeter`	`I bet their senior security guys are really enjoying the midnight telephone call`
`06:41.31`	`Cairenn`	`if people were smart, they wouldn't say the actual name it spells out, just that it spells out a gold seller site [generic] and let it go at that, but we all know people aren't smart`
`06:41.40`	`bleeter`	`indeed`
`06:41.50`	`bleeter`	`they're so stupid, they're screaming for GM just to restart the realm`
`06:42.01`	`Wobwork`	`those corpses might infect someone`
`06:42.01`	`bleeter`	`of course, I point out the obvious... but they're so stupid.... ;)`
`06:42.05`	`Wobwork`	`bad hygiene`
`06:42.39`	`Cairenn`	`and what is the "obvious" that you point out?`
`06:43.06`	`bleeter`	`if the realm's restarted, there's probably nothing in place to ensure it doesn't happen again immediately.`
`06:43.14`	`Cairenn`	`true`
`06:43.29`	`bleeter`	`ie, gotta get everything in place before restart to see how/what happens, before hitting the reset`
`06:43.46`	`Wobwork`	`creating a lot of gnome alts? =)`
`06:43.56`	`bleeter`	`otherwise, it'd be total shutdown and examine traffic/db's etc., I guess... course, I don't know how it all works, but it's just a guess`
`06:44.18`	`bleeter`	`Wobwork: slowly create a bunch of gnome trial accounts through a cyclical Tor, can't be too hard.`
`06:44.47`	`bleeter`	`but, they're not trial accounts... only two gnomes have names on them`
`06:44.58`	`bleeter`	`well, at a guess`
`06:47.40`	`bleeter`	`and of all the dumb things during that`
`06:47.48`	`bleeter`	`two horde enter in to take a look`
`06:49.15`	`Wobwork`	`Two horde enter`
`06:49.18`	`Wobwork`	`One Horde leaves`
`06:49.33`	`bleeter`	`no horde leaves lol`
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`06:55.09`	`bleeter`	`later folks`
`06:55.16`	`Cairenn`	`night bleeter`
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`07:00.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`wow, void reaver is free loots`
`07:01.23`	`[Ammo]`	`yup`
`07:01.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`we went in and took him out on our 2nd try. haven't even been in SSC yet`
`07:01.45`	`Wobwork`	`grats AL, btw`
`07:01.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`that trash is kinda chaotic tho`
`07:01.50`	`Wobwork`	`on the Blizzcon ticket`
`07:01.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`thx :D`
`07:02.07`	`Wobwork`	`You'll have to give us screenies of the murloc suit =)`
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`08:13.29`	`zenzelezz`	`Void Reaver is great fun, in my opinion`
`08:14.01`	`zenzelezz`	`although I was pretty pissed when I avoided four knockbacks in a row and the healers still let me die`
`08:26.49`	`zenzelezz`	`I should macro /r not at the moment, sorry`
`08:27.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`addon imo 8P`
`08:27.46`	`zenzelezz`	`would be too fast; and I don't always decline =)`
`08:29.20`	`subbawt-`	`I used to have /reply no thanks keybound`
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`08:42.48`	`zenzelezz`	`for some reason the Skettis bird drop my hunter from her flying mount almost just by looking at her; while my warrior can take a beating for minutes and not ever be dismounted`
`08:46.28`	`nevcairiel`	`luck?`
`08:46.39`	`zenzelezz`	`hardly, it's always the same`
`08:46.40`	`nevcairiel`	`i get dazed like instantly`
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`08:46.48`	`nevcairiel`	`but then again, i dont use a mount`
`08:46.57`	`nevcairiel`	`and being dazed doesnt de-shift flight form =P`
`08:47.08`	`zenzelezz`	`something does on my hunter`
`08:47.31`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah the birds daze you pretty quick, and dazing dismounts you`
`08:48.06`	`zenzelezz`	`didn't you just contradict yourself? Otherwise I misread you`
`08:48.41`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds right to me ..`
`08:48.55`	`zenzelezz`	`just me then`
`08:49.11`	`nevcairiel`	`i am a druid, i dont use a mount, so i cannot dismount :)`
`08:49.24`	`nevcairiel`	`so i dont care about being dazed`
`08:50.50`	`nevcairiel`	`that reminds me, i need to do my set of dailys`
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`08:51.40`	`Hannesv`	`Hey all`
`08:51.48`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
`08:52.57`	`zenzelezz`	`I think I may have found the reason why my warrior doesn't dismount, although I don't quite understand it...`
`08:53.05`	`zenzelezz`	`Monstrous Kaliri's Swoop failed. You are immune.`
`08:53.30`	`nevcairiel`	`you are always immune to swoop when mounted`
`08:53.50`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess warriors with a high def rating just dont get dazed that easily`
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`09:15.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I use Xnview, I think there are some other image viewers that support it too`
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`12:59.17`	`Thelyna`	`if I was going to make a simple buff mod for myself I'd catch UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED - which event covers having a party/raid member having a buff purged from them?`
`13:01.18`	`Thelyna`	`PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED?`
`13:01.31`	`foxlit`	`UNIT_AURA`
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`13:03.24`	`Thelyna`	`what I want to do is make a mod that would catch me casting BoF/BoS/the other five-minute pally buffs and make a clickable timer bar for each of them ... catching UNIT_AURA alone wouldn't work would it?`
`13:03.53`	`Thelyna`	`since as far as I can tell UNIT_AURA doesn't show who cast the buff`
`13:05.15`	`foxlit`	`No, you're pretty much screwed.`
`13:05.29`	`foxlit`	`Or not`
`13:05.49`	`foxlit`	`Catch UNIT_AURA, then use UnitBuff(unit, i, 1) to loop through buffs`
`13:06.02`	`foxlit`	`see if you got the buff you cast on it - it'll also give you the time left`
`13:06.20`	`foxlit`	`(though tbh get RAB :) )`
`13:06.32`	`Thelyna`	`RAB>`
`13:06.35`	`Thelyna`	`er, RAB?`
`13:06.42`	`foxlit`	`http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/3601/`
`13:06.58`	`foxlit`	`buffs, timers, and easy recasting :)`
`13:07.33`	`foxlit`	`Though I need to give paladins more love with that`
`13:08.17`	`Thelyna`	`yeah I'm not sure if that's exactly what I want`
`13:08.43`	`foxlit`	`It's not, really, but it'll save you time anyway :P`
`13:08.57`	`Thelyna`	`I can keep BoSac up on two different targets and I'd like to have clickable bars for each of them`
`13:09.07`	`Thelyna`	`ditto for the warrior I'm BoFing`
`13:09.37`	`foxlit`	`Can still do that`
`13:10.09`	`foxlit`	`A bit of manual labour involved, but you can basically specify a bar for some exact subset of the raid - including individual players`
`13:10.41`	`Thelyna`	`ah okay, I'll look into that`
`13:10.57`	`Thelyna`	`I'll still probably land up putting together my own code`
`13:11.12`	`Thelyna`	`since I have a fairly precise idea of how I want it to function`
`13:11.14`	`foxlit`	`Keep in mind that it'll not quite work in combat :)`
`13:11.35`	`foxlit`	`So I'm not sure what you're going to do about BoF`
`13:11.43`	`Thelyna`	`true`
`13:12.10`	`Thelyna`	`but if I prebuff BoF while in prep and register the button then it'd work wouldn't it?`
`13:12.39`	`Thelyna`	`that's the other part I forgot, I want the bars to persist after the buff has expired`
`13:12.43`	`foxlit`	`Yes, as long as you create and show the button before you enter combat :)`
`13:12.50`	`Thelyna`	`so I can use them for one-click rebuffing`
`13:12.58`	`foxlit`	`Now you're actually getting very close to what RAB does`
`13:13.11`	`foxlit`	`Except it requires you to configure layout differently rather than just scanning what you cast :)`
`13:13.48`	`foxlit`	`But anyhow, I'm sure you can make individual bars that'd do what you want. Go for it :)`
`13:14.08`	`Thelyna`	`I've been meaning to learn how to do addons anyway`
`13:14.33`	`Thelyna`	`since our resident addon coder decided raiding wasn't his game any more and threw in the towl`
`13:14.37`	`Thelyna`	`and the towel too`
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`15:28.53`	`InfernalRyan`	`hi`
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`15:32.05`	`Wobin_`	`zenzelezz: it's so hard to find good grammar sometimes, that you don't want to discourage them when you -do- see it =P`
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`15:33.37`	`dylanm`	`Woops.`
`15:35.45`	`InfernalRyan`	`anyone know how to find/calculate in-game yards?`
`15:36.38`	`InfernalRyan`	`I've seen a couple of libraries like Tourist and Astrolabe, but they are hardcoded`
`15:37.56`	`dylanm`	`InfernalRyan: Are you trying to find distances between place or between you and a target?`
`15:38.04`	`dylanm`	`*places`
`15:38.57`	`InfernalRyan`	`more or less between myself and another point on the map-- could be a target or something else, using worldmap locs`
`15:39.10`	`foxlit`	`hardcode scale`
`15:39.45`	`InfernalRyan`	`foxlit: using what?`
`15:39.47`	`dylanm`	`Yeah, you'd really have to hardcode.`
`15:40.13`	`InfernalRyan`	`that's fine`
`15:40.29`	`InfernalRyan`	`but i'm not sure where/how to start i guess i the thing`
`15:40.42`	`InfernalRyan`	`and what units to use for measuring`
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`15:42.31`	`InfernalRyan`	`i havent come across any functions that would help me do this`
`15:46.06`	`dylanm`	`I think the work has pretty much been done in Astrolabe.`
`15:47.34`	`clad\|away`	`yep, easy to do with astrolabe`
`15:47.55`	`dylanm`	`It just has tables with data on the dimensions of each zone in yards.`
`15:48.08`	`dylanm`	`So the conversion from having your usual coords is easy.`
`15:48.12`	`dylanm`	`And I think it will do that, too.`
`15:48.29`	`InfernalRyan`	`I am not a fan of libraries personally`
`15:48.37`	`dylanm`	`Heh. It's a pretty light one.`
`15:48.38`	`InfernalRyan`	`because its something i cant support`
`15:48.43`	`InfernalRyan`	`i realize this`
`15:48.50`	`InfernalRyan`	`but i like to know if something breaks i can fix it myself`
`15:48.50`	`dylanm`	`Just steal the dimensions, then :p`
`15:48.56`	`InfernalRyan`	`and not dig through 1000+ lines of someone's code`
`15:49.11`	`clad\|away`	`so do all the work yourself`
`15:49.12`	`clad\|away`	`and then have 1000 lines of your own code to dig through`
`15:49.15`	`clad\|away`	`seems silly to me shrug`
`15:49.27`	`clad\|away`	`its a non-trivial excercise, by the way`
`15:49.41`	`dylanm`	`http://esamynn.org/svn/astrolabe/trunk/Astrolabe.lua`
`15:49.43`	`clad\|away`	`but you migth be able to take shortcuts due to your specific case`
`15:49.51`	`dylanm`	`Look towards the bottom.`
`15:50.13`	`InfernalRyan`	`bottom of?`
`15:50.17`	`InfernalRyan`	`the script?`
`15:50.20`	`dylanm`	`The .lua file I just linked.`
`15:50.25`	`InfernalRyan`	`k`
`15:50.27`	`dylanm`	`It should be pretty obvious.`
`15:50.36`	`InfernalRyan`	`sorry missed a few lines of chat`
`15:50.58`	`dylanm`	`If you're talking about distance to a mob, you probably just have to use range checking on your spells, so the accuracy kinda depends on what you have to work with.`
`15:51.25`	`InfernalRyan`	`not using targets`
`15:51.29`	`InfernalRyan`	`map points =)`
`15:51.43`	`dylanm`	`Alright. Well you mentioned it earlier so I thought I'd address it.`
`15:52.14`	`InfernalRyan`	`thx`
`15:53.20`	`dylanm`	`clad would know wayyyy more about this than I.`
`15:54.15`	`clad\|away`	`i understand the general idea you have InfernalRyan, but do you implement your own sin() and cos() functions in pure lua just so you don't have to worry about supporting someone else's code?`
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`15:54.57`	`clad\|away`	`when it comes to things like determining constants and doing "magic math" to get answers, it seems silly to just steal the constants and reimplement the code just so you can avoid using someone elses's code.. you've already done it all at that point :P`
`15:56.31`	`InfernalRyan`	`wasnt planning on stealing it =)`
`15:56.34`	`InfernalRyan`	`ahwells`
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`15:58.01`	`clad\|away`	`i wasn't implying that, I'm just saying you'd need them in order to make the calculations`
`15:58.02`	`dylanm`	`InfernalRyan: Hehe I don't think that's what his issue was. Stealing is a part of coding :p`
`15:58.07`	`clad\|away`	`=)`
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`15:58.25`	`clad\|away`	`Just saying, it seems a silly line to draw on when to use an extremely special purpose library, or not.`
`15:59.24`	`clad\|away`	`but i wish you the best of luck=)`
`15:59.33`	`clad\|away`	`bbl`
`15:59.55`	`dylanm`	`What're you trying to do, if I may ask?`
`16:04.49`	`InfernalRyan`	`was just trying to come up w/ my own coord system`
`16:04.54`	`InfernalRyan`	`to better support it`
`16:05.14`	`InfernalRyan`	`well i need to jet for some july 4th festivities`
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`16:21.28`	`krka`	`astrolabe ftw`
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`16:22.50`	`krka`	`hm, where is legorol?`
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`16:22.56`	`Nom-`	`Anyone know the hit rating mechanic ?`
`16:23.25`	`Nom-`	`Like hunters, 96 hit rating means they never miss (possibly dependant on spec)...what is that number for a 2-hander ?`
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`16:23.40`	`nevcairiel`	`2h needs like 6% iirc`
`16:23.49`	`nevcairiel`	`not sure whats that in rating :P`
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`16:24.15`	`Nom-`	`hmm that seems odd`
`16:24.23`	`Nom-`	`given i was on like 20% miss in Gruul :/`
`16:24.50`	`nevcairiel`	`oh its 9% for 2h`
`16:24.52`	`nevcairiel`	`i was wrong :)`
`16:25.23`	`nevcairiel`	`(i hope you mean a real 2h-weapon, and not dual weild)`
`16:25.40`	`Nom-`	`SO that's 141 hit rating... hmmm`
`16:25.45`	`Nom-`	`Yeah, 2-hand weapon`
`16:25.56`	`Nom-`	`Otherwise I would have said dual wield :)`
`16:26.11`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah because dual weild needs like 24% hit`
`16:26.14`	`nevcairiel`	`to never miss :P`
`16:26.21`	`Nom-`	`Just wondering how the heck i'm going to reach even 100 hit rating`
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`16:27.14`	`Nom-`	`I have like 19 hit rating at the moment`
`16:27.22`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`16:27.38`	`nevcairiel`	`gruul is a bitch, ive heard alot people complain about increased miss rates`
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`16:27.58`	`Nom-`	`well our hunters never miss :/`
`16:28.11`	`Nom-`	`We've got two hunters with 96 hit rating each`
`16:28.17`	`Nom-`	`Seriously, their miss % is 0`
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`16:28.57`	`Nom-`	`There doesn't seem to be much +hit gear for Retribution Paladins at all`
`16:29.40`	`nevcairiel`	`Even when you hit, whats the difference ? :o`
`16:29.48`	`Nom-`	`The ideal retnoob gear has str, stam, int, crit rating, hit rating`
`16:29.56`	`dylanm`	`Ret paladins probably shouldn't be encouraged.`
`16:30.11`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`16:30.15`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/04/new-gold-seller-tactic-trying-way-too-hard/`
`16:30.23`	`Nom-`	`retribution paladin is one of the most useful classes in a raid`
`16:30.31`	`nevcairiel`	`you keep thinking that... :)`
`16:31.27`	`Nom-`	`lol you don't know your retnoob talents then`
`16:31.49`	`Nom-`	`straight up, 3% +crit to the entire raid`
`16:32.06`	`nevcairiel`	`and thats supposed to cover the like 0 dmg you do ? :P`
`16:32.09`	`Nom-`	`2% damage boost to the paladins' group due to improved aura`
`16:32.24`	Punkie`	`nevcairiel: don't argue, he clearly knows what he's talking about!`
`16:32.34`	`Nom-`	`Plus, if you have a second paladin, you can keep two judgements up on the boss (or 3 if you have a third paladin)`
`16:32.42`	`Nom-`	`That adds more raid dps than anyone realises`
`16:33.02`	Punkie`	`if I used 2 warlocks in a raid`
`16:33.06`	`Nom-`	`Over the course of our Gruul raid last week, 50% more mana went to our highest dps raid member from Judgement of Wisdom than from any other class`
`16:33.09`	Punkie`	`I would rather add a 3rd warlock`
`16:33.12`	`Nom-`	`any other method`
`16:33.17`	`Nom-`	`including our second highest dps shadowpriest`
`16:33.35`	`nevcairiel`	`we use shadow priests for mana`
`16:33.38`	`nevcairiel`	`they actually do dmg :)`
`16:33.50`	Punkie`	`indeed, and the healers don't need to wand the boss either`
`16:33.50`	`Nom-`	`Yea, but you're missing the big picture`
`16:33.54`	`dylanm`	`I think people realize it, but it doesn't seem to be enough. One would think that Nihilum or someone on that order would've figured it out.`
`16:34.17`	`Nom-`	`Our #1 dps got 50% more mana from Judgement of Wisdom than from VT`
`16:34.32`	`nevcairiel`	`our #1 dps is a rogue`
`16:34.33`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`16:34.42`	`Nom-`	`On Gruul that's damn hard...`
`16:34.45`	Punkie`	`?`
`16:34.53`	Punkie`	`I'm a rogue, I do top DPS on Gruul`
`16:34.56`	Punkie`	`followed by`
`16:34.57`	`dylanm`	`How much damage did the pally do?`
`16:35.01`	Punkie`	`you guessed it, another rogue`
`16:35.02`	Punkie`	`and another`
`16:35.07`	Punkie`	`http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10069`
`16:35.10`	`nevcairiel`	`gruul is a perfect fight for rogues`
`16:35.20`	`nevcairiel`	`if they dont top other classes there..`
`16:35.31`	`Nom-`	`more than one of our feral druids`
`16:35.32`	`Nom-`	`:P`
`16:35.39`	`Nom-`	`but i've got crap gear, that's wh`
`16:35.40`	`Nom-`	`why`
`16:36.07`	`dylanm`	`It would be kinda cool if retnoobs were viable (it's a boring job actually doing damage with a paladin, though) but the other two trees are so, so good.`
`16:36.22`	`Nom-`	`Our DPS list reads: Hunter, Warlock, Warlock, Rogue, Mage, Rogue, Rogue, Warrior`
`16:36.35`	`nevcairiel`	`your rogues are really sucky then`
`16:36.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i would look for new ones`
`16:36.49`	`JoshBorke`	`you're really sucky nev`
`16:36.50`	`Nom-`	`lol no our hunters and warlocks are just way overgeared`
`16:36.52`	`JoshBorke`	`i'd look for new raid leaders`
`16:37.07`	`nevcairiel`	`because i dont think pewpew-pallys are any useful ? :P`
`16:37.10`	`Nom-`	`Our hunter is pushing (according to WoW web stats) 800dps`
`16:37.22`	`nevcairiel`	`hm let me see`
`16:37.25`	`nevcairiel`	`if i find a log`
`16:38.00`	`Nom-`	`Well, let me put it this way`
`16:38.20`	`Nom-`	`I couldn't raid last Thursday coz i went to the movies`
`16:38.29`	`Nom-`	`Our raid wiped on gruul for several hours`
`16:38.50`	`Nom-`	`Same raid on Monday, except I was there, we got him on second shit`
`16:38.52`	`Nom-`	`shot`
`16:39.28`	`nevcairiel`	`meh no gruul log for comparison up on wws`
`16:39.34`	`Nom-`	`Having an undergeared retribution paladin, for our last two attempts, has proved to be the tipping point in the Gruul takedown`
`16:39.49`	`zenzelezz`	`not for my guild =)`
`16:39.56`	`Nom-`	`If i'm not there, they can't get the last 5-10%... if i am we get it`
`16:40.26`	`Nom-`	`All of the buffs..especially the Judgement of Wisdom that I keep up there are that extra 5-10%`
`16:41.13`	`Nom-`	`ah well, its working for us`
`16:41.21`	`Nom-`	`and i get to play a retribution pally for the first time in 70 levels`
`16:41.22`	`nevcairiel`	`our healers wouldnt benefit from the judgement, and our dps doesnt generally run oom`
`16:41.23`	`Nom-`	`so it's win-win`
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`16:42.02`	`Nom-`	`Yeah one of the problems we have is that we have a low dps raid to some extent`
`16:42.20`	`Nom-`	`So just that extra few % that the pally buffs give are the tipping point`
`16:42.55`	`Nom-`	`anywho...so 9%... hmm going to have to come from mostly sockets i guess :/`
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`17:05.38`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I'm pondering at what to do with something`
`17:05.50`	`foxlit`	`Foxbot edits wiki articles, and I'd like to be able to split them into sections`
`17:06.12`	`foxlit`	`(Wiki formatting goes something like ==Section Header==\r\nSection Text...==Section 2 Header==\r\nmore text`
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`17:06.53`	`foxlit`	`Easiest way to convert that to {{"Section Header","Section Text"}, {"Section 2 Header", "more text"}}? :)`
`17:07.54`	`foxlit`	`I'm thinking on running string.find in a loop, but that seems horribly messy`
`17:10.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`regex ownage!`
`17:14.50`	`foxlit`	`Regex may be problematic`
`17:16.03`	`[dRaCo]`	`why?`
`17:17.26`	`foxlit`	`There's little clear closing`
`17:18.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`?`
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`17:43.04`	`teeeee`	`does anyone know ifi can equip this at 49`
`17:43.04`	`teeeee`	`Medallion of the Dawn`
`17:44.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`if you can take the quest, you can equip it`
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`17:44.55`	`teeeee`	`oki`
`17:44.58`	`teeeee`	`gprlly not then`
`17:45.06`	`teeeee`	`how about the grand master arena trinket`
`17:45.11`	`teeeee`	`what is the cool down on that sucker?`
`17:45.34`	`teeeee`	`http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Agamaggan&n=Twstdbosnian`
`17:45.37`	`teeeee`	`pretty twinked`
`17:46.01`	`teeeee`	`prolly the best gear for that level and best enchants besides mongose`
`17:46.06`	`teeeee`	`and need that grand master arena`
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`17:46.58`	`teeeee`	`15 min!`
`17:47.09`	`teeeee`	`draco`
`17:47.14`	`teeeee`	`what would be the two best best trinket`
`17:47.19`	`teeeee`	`for level 49 twink`
`17:47.43`	`lossendil`	`Hi there`
`17:48.12`	`[dRaCo]`	`I dunno, since I don't really care 'bout anything below 65 :>`
`17:49.06`	`teeeee`	`dang haha`
`17:49.08`	`teeeee`	`:(`
`17:49.09`	`teeeee`	`hi los`
`17:49.17`	`teeeee`	`does anyone know two best trinkets for level 49 twink`
`17:49.35`	`lossendil`	`No idea...`
`17:50.16`	`lossendil`	`Guys, it's my first time here, I was looking for an information about WoW dev`
`17:50.38`	`[dRaCo]`	`feel free to ask ;)`
`17:50.55`	`lossendil`	`I'm developing an external tool that installs an addon and gather information from this addon`
`17:51.18`	`lossendil`	`How do I know if WoW is running, so it's safe to read or delete files ?`
`17:51.45`	`krka`	`look at the taskbar`
`17:52.07`	`[dRaCo]`	`I'd check for a running process called 'wow.exe', can't think of another way`
`17:52.37`	`lossendil`	`Problem is that my tool is in Java, and I don't have acces to running processes, at least I don't think so`
`17:52.48`	`[dRaCo]`	`uh. java.`
`17:52.49`	`lossendil`	`WoW does not write kind of a lock file somewhere ?`
`17:52.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`not afaik`
`17:53.19`	`lossendil`	`K, thx a lot for your answers`
`17:53.50`	`lossendil`	`as for Java, you know you can do cool things with it ? you know www.lossendil.com ?`
`17:54.06`	`teeeee`	`loss`
`17:54.12`	`teeeee`	`what are you tryi9ng to get at?`
`17:54.16`	`teeeee`	`what lock files`
`17:54.21`	`[dRaCo]`	`I used to code in java, too`
`17:54.26`	`teeeee`	`...if u dont know if wow is running`
`17:54.29`	`teeeee`	`on ur windows machine`
`17:54.33`	`teeeee`	`if u do not know how to check`
`17:54.34`	`[dRaCo]`	`neat language, but the performance is ...`
`17:54.36`	`teeeee`	`go jump off the bridge`
`17:54.41`	`teeeee`	`make sure to bring your computer with u`
`17:55.38`	`lossendil`	`hehe teeee, I do know, but my users are a bit, er... innatentive sometimes, so I would like to check with a program that WoW is not running before messing around with files`
`17:55.56`	`teeeee`	`... or u could do what draco aid`
`17:56.01`	`teeeee`	`ctrl+alt+del`
`17:56.10`	`teeeee`	`go to processes`
`17:56.11`	`teeeee`	`tab`
`17:56.16`	`teeeee`	`like he said and find wow.exe`
`17:56.19`	`teeeee`	`and end its process`
`17:56.19`	`lossendil`	`Draco, you must have played with Java a long time ago, like 5-8 years ago ? Today java is as fast a C++`
`17:56.31`	`teeeee`	`i have a linux box running`
`17:56.37`	`teeeee`	`lossendil.. who made that site and where is it hosted?`
`17:56.47`	`lossendil`	`teeee, I want it done by a programm, not by a a user`
`17:56.56`	`lossendil`	`I'm the author of the website lossendil.com`
`17:57.01`	`teeeee`	`wait`
`17:57.01`	`teeeee`	`w`
`17:57.06`	`teeeee`	`hat do u want done by a program?`
`17:57.10`	`teeeee`	`ill tell u if u can or not`
`17:57.27`	`lossendil`	`Just check if Wow is running :)`
`17:57.36`	`teeeee`	`that is a program son`
`17:57.42`	`teeeee`	`ctrl+alt+delete is a script`
`17:57.53`	`teeeee`	`built into windows .. same thing as an app. or program`
`17:58.00`	`teeeee`	`that tells u what is runing in backround and what not`
`17:58.02`	`lossendil`	`yeah you mean the task manager`
`17:58.06`	`teeeee`	`yes`
`17:58.20`	`teeeee`	`u want soemthing else?`
`17:58.24`	`teeeee`	`cuz there is software out there`
`17:58.28`	`teeeee`	`that wil check processes`
`17:58.36`	`lossendil`	`I could access it in C++ using Microsoft API, probably. But my prog is in Java and runs on windows, Mac and Linux. I can't use this`
`17:58.41`	`teeeee`	`and u can kill them btter then u could with task`
`17:59.10`	`teeeee`	`access what?`
`17:59.12`	`teeeee`	`process es?`
`17:59.16`	`lossendil`	`Just wanted to know if WoW had a lock file. It would be the easiest way`
`17:59.22`	`teeeee`	`...`
`17:59.43`	`teeeee`	`lock file`
`17:59.47`	`teeeee`	`what lock file for what .. im confused`
`17:59.55`	`lossendil`	`yeah I can't have the running processes with Java`
`17:59.56`	`teeeee`	`im sure most of us here are that are paying attention hehe`
`18:00.16`	`teeeee`	`..u cant have the running processes with java? mm what processes haha`
`18:00.47`	`teeeee`	`im curuoius`
`18:00.51`	`teeeee`	`i would like to hack wow`
`18:00.56`	`lossendil`	`a lock file is a small one byte file that is created when a program is running and deleted when the program ends. this is quite standard, and would be helpful for me`
`18:01.01`	`teeeee`	`just not sure what i shall do`
`18:01.13`	`teeeee`	`...ok`
`18:01.19`	`teeeee`	`so what is that lock file prventing you from doing?`
`18:01.22`	`teeeee`	`or if ther is one`
`18:01.22`	`clad\|away`	`teeeee: Calm it down now, or you won't be in the channel any more.. this is your warning.`
`18:01.33`	`teeeee`	`warning for what looser?`
`18:01.51`	`lossendil`	`was just wondering if WoW produces a lock file, I dunno`
`18:01.58`	`teeeee`	`look in wow folder`
`18:02.06`	`teeeee`	`programfiles\wow`
`18:02.09`	`zenzelezz`	`calling an op a loser isn't a good idea`
`18:02.11`	`teeeee`	`..who knows where it is`
`18:02.16`	`teeeee`	`.omg im so scared`
`18:02.22`	`teeeee`	`.. .. i didnt do nuthin`
`18:02.24`	`zenzelezz`	`you won't be missed`
`18:02.27`	`teeeee`	`im talking im not cusin...`
`18:02.31`	`teeeee`	`oki dok`
`18:02.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`lossendil: t'was more like 2 years ago, but my c programs used to be noticably faster.`
`18:02.35`	`clad\|away`	`You're being incredibly rude`
`18:02.40`	`teeeee`	`clad\|away`
`18:02.44`	`clad\|away`	`and I'm asking you to calm down, stop spamming the channel`
`18:02.50`	`teeeee`	`clad\|away how am i rude ur tellin me to calm down. .dude im talking wtf`
`18:02.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`clad: less talking, more banning ;)`
`18:02.58`	`teeeee`	`..where is bot?? why isnt bot kicking me for spam??`
`18:03.15`	`lossendil`	`well draco it depends, user interfaces are often laggy with Java, but raw computing performance is on par with C`
`18:03.20`	`teeeee`	`omg ur supposed to be away man.. comon let me just freakin talk`
`18:03.33`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [teeeee!n=Miranda@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by clad\|away (learn when to shut up. kthx.)`
`18:03.39`	`lossendil`	`^^`
`18:03.45`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge teeeee (n=adddd@65.100.61.206)`
`18:03.47`	`teeeee`	`hey clad`
`18:03.52`	`teeeee`	`i fuck ur mom that u came out of aite?`
`18:03.57`	`teeeee`	`now u have a very good reson to ban me`
`18:04.01`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b !@65.100.61.206] by clad\|away`
`18:04.01`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [teeeee!n=Miranda@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by clad\|away (And we're done)`
`18:04.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`lossendil: yeah, prolly. had to use swing back then, didnt really like`
`18:04.21`	`[dRaCo]`	`... it`
`18:05.11`	`lossendil`	`I agree, swing is a stain on java's reputation :) But the rest is good. SWT is an excellent replacement for Swing. Check the Eclipse IDE for example. It's so smooth you'll never know it's in Java`
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`18:06.40`	`[dRaCo]`	`eclipse's great, good point`
`18:07.00`	`[dRaCo]`	`maybe I should try using java once more`
`18:07.07`	`lossendil`	`hehe ^^`
`18:07.17`	`lossendil`	`except you can't get the processes list`
`18:07.40`	`[dRaCo]`	`sucks being stuck in an vm, doesnt it? ;)`
`18:08.17`	`lossendil`	`It has its own advantages, though. Portability, lots of meta-tools for profiling, analysis, etc...`
`18:08.50`	`lossendil`	`But yes, there won't be a full-fledged game in 100% java soon, for sure`
`18:09.00`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah, I always liked the idea(s) behind java`
`18:09.17`	`[dRaCo]`	`but that swing stuff really scared me`
`18:10.01`	`lossendil`	`Really, forget about Swing. If you need to do user interfaces, try SWT. For all the rest, providing it's not low-level, Java is great`
`18:10.20`	`lossendil`	`And the garbage collector is such a bliss`
`18:10.49`	`[dRaCo]`	`been looking for a language to write some mind mapping tool... might as well give java a try ;)`
`18:11.08`	`lossendil`	`mind mapping ?`
`18:11.40`	`[dRaCo]`	`like writing down ideas about whatever down in a structured way`
`18:11.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`with connections'n'stuff`
`18:12.55`	`lossendil`	`Nice idea :) Could be very object-oriented. Intersting :)`
`18:15.04`	`[dRaCo]`	`just came up with the idea to do that today... there are tools out there that do that, but using self-written software is way cooler`
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`18:51.30`	`Neebler`	`Is there an addon out there that has savable/loadable button position profiles?`
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`18:53.07`	`dylanm`	`Neebler: For action bars?`
`18:53.16`	`Neebler`	`yes`
`18:53.17`	`dylanm`	`Neebler: I use Bongos and it's fine for that.`
`18:53.26`	`Neebler`	`no I don't mean hotkeys`
`18:53.45`	`Neebler`	`I mean the actual positions of the buttons. Say if a friend of mine were to remove all of my buttons`
`18:53.51`	`Neebler`	`I'd have to put them all back`
`18:54.05`	`dylanm`	`Oh I was talking about the positioning of the bars.`
`18:54.14`	`dylanm`	`Heh kind of an edge case, don't you think?`
`18:54.26`	`dylanm`	`Do you have mischievous friends?`
`18:54.41`	`dylanm`	`Oh, different machines.`
`18:54.45`	`dylanm`	`Heh. I'm daft.`
`18:55.06`	`Shirik`	`not that I can think of off the top of my head`
`18:55.17`	`Shirik`	`but it would be trivial to mess with the SV files`
`18:56.34`	`Neebler`	`button positions are saved to the character, tho I wish they weren't`
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`18:57.22`	`Shirik`	`and?`
`18:57.34`	`dylanm`	`Where does Blizz store this, anyway?`
`19:00.23`	`Shirik`	`the Blizzard UI?`
`19:00.27`	`Shirik`	`It has stuff all over the place`
`19:00.35`	`Shirik`	`it depends on what you're looking for particularly`
`19:04.50`	`cogwheel`	`Shirik: where's the rat kill counter?`
`19:04.53`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`19:04.57`	`Shirik`	`eh, it works`
`19:05.01`	`Shirik`	`it just has no usable GUI`
`19:05.10`	`Shirik`	`it's almost done, but being on dialup my testing abilities are now limited`
`19:05.35`	`cogwheel`	`What horrible fate brought you to dialup?`
`19:06.04`	`Shirik`	`I'm starting an internship tomorrow, and I had to go north about 5 hours for it`
`19:06.16`	`Shirik`	`The place that I'm staying... at least presently... doesn't have high speed internet`
`19:06.25`	`Shirik`	`though I could go about 10 minutes to my aunt's house for cable`
`19:06.28`	`Neebler`	`cogwheel, do you know of any addon that saves/loads profiles of button positions?`
`19:06.42`	`cogwheel`	`Neebler: you mean action slots or physical location?`
`19:06.50`	`Neebler`	`physical locations`
`19:07.04`	`Neebler`	`barslot ID's`
`19:07.11`	`cogwheel`	`><`
`19:07.21`	`cogwheel`	`those are different imo :P`
`19:07.29`	`cogwheel`	`bar slot ids is what i meant by action slots`
`19:07.45`	`cogwheel`	`yes... trying to remember the name`
`19:08.13`	`Shirik`	`likely either bongos, bartender, trinity, nurfed`
`19:08.13`	`cogwheel`	`valaron knows ...`
`19:08.23`	`cogwheel`	`Shirik: no those are just bar mods`
`19:08.33`	`cogwheel`	`they don't manipulate action slots beyond normal drag and drop`
`19:08.34`	`Shirik`	`as opposed to?`
`19:08.44`	`Shirik`	`ok I'm missing what he wants then`
`19:08.46`	`cogwheel`	`as opposed to an addon that rearranges your actions`
`19:08.58`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`19:09.12`	`Shirik`	`well then to correct my earlier statement`
`19:09.13`	`cogwheel`	`I know of one, i just can't seem to conjure up its name`
`19:09.20`	`Shirik`	`Blizzard stores that server-side, not in a SV file`
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`19:09.41`	`Neebler`	`aye. it's not like macros`
`19:09.51`	`cogwheel`	`Shirik: yes, but there's an addon that will move them around for you based on the positions you save them in`
`19:09.56`	`Shirik`	`yeah I know`
`19:10.02`	`cogwheel`	`like simpleactionsets or something...`
`19:10.05`	`Shirik`	`just saying that because I had said earlier it's stored in WTF`
`19:10.38`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4302-SimpleActionSets.html`
`19:10.43`	`cogwheel`	`ah...`
`19:10.47`	`cogwheel`	`i must've missed that`
`19:10.52`	`Neebler`	`http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/2318/`
`19:10.53`	`Neebler`	`HOORAY`
`19:10.57`	`Neebler`	`thanks so much cogwheel`
`19:10.58`	`Shirik`	`eew`
`19:11.02`	`Shirik`	`curse-gaming link`
`19:11.14`	`cogwheel`	`Neebler: the wowinterface one is more up to date`
`19:11.22`	`cogwheel`	`O.O by like a year and 3 months`
`19:11.35`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`19:11.39`	`Shirik`	`that sounds like RDX`
`19:11.42`	`cogwheel`	`oh wait...`
`19:11.44`	`Shirik`	`I have an RDX.Cid link on curse-gaming somewhere`
`19:11.50`	`cogwheel`	`why does it show the first post date of the addon?`
`19:11.53`	`Shirik`	`it should be about 8 months out of date now`
`19:11.57`	`cogwheel`	`stupid curse`
`19:12.33`	`cogwheel`	`yeah... it should be fine either way... i just got confused ><`
`19:12.34`	`Neebler`	`they're the exact same version`
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`19:12.50`	`Shirik`	`the one on wowinterface is better`
`19:13.00`	`Neebler`	`negative, they're the same`
`19:13.03`	`cogwheel`	`What exactly is the purpose of showing "Post Date: January 31st 2006"`
`19:13.06`	`Shirik`	`the one on wowinterface is better`
`19:13.16`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`19:13.23`	`Neebler`	`how about ui.worldofwar.net :P`
`19:13.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Shirik`
`19:13.25`	`purl`	`grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Shirik until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with`
`19:13.25`	`Shirik`	`it's better in the same way Ace addons are better because they're Aced`
`19:13.46`	`Shirik`	`ow!`
`19:13.50`	`Shirik`	`ow....`
`19:13.56`	`Shirik`	`don't even want to think about that ><`
`19:13.58`	`cogwheel`	`Neebler: it's now http://wowui.incgamers.com/ :P`
`19:14.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`im not sure it's talking about your nuts`
`19:14.17`	`Shirik`	`I don't care anymore ><`
`19:14.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`but i could be wrong`
`19:14.23`	`Shirik`	`the mental picture is there`
`19:14.29`	`Shirik`	`damage done`
`19:14.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`gg i win`
`19:16.31`	`Shirik`	`hahaha`
`19:16.34`	`Shirik`	`reading the IPB code...`
`19:16.39`	`Shirik`	`$ipsclass->boink_it( $ipsclass->base_url.'&skinrebuild=1' );`
`19:16.43`	`Shirik`	`boink_it is an awesome function name`
`19:16.44`	`Shirik`	`they win`
`19:18.08`	`clad\|away`	`Can anyone think of a reason why having DHud installed drives my frames up to framelevel 128?`
`19:18.12`	`clad\|away`	`doesn't look like its _calling_ anything.`
`19:19.46`	`Shirik`	`never messed with any of that :?`
`19:20.00`	`clad\|away`	`its a weird one`
`19:20.04`	`clad\|away`	`if you install DHuh on top of Clique`
`19:20.08`	`clad\|away`	`you can't interact with the Clique UI`
`19:20.34`	`Shirik`	`interesting`
`19:20.59`	`clad\|away`	`feel free to download it and check it out =)`
`19:21.13`	`Shirik`	`and do what?`
`19:21.17`	`Shirik`	`log in and see it happen?`
`19:21.34`	`Shirik`	`more like log in and get immediately dced :P`
`19:21.58`	`Neebler`	`wow SimpleActionSets works great`
`19:22.02`	`Neebler`	`and has a nice layout`
`19:22.09`	`Neebler`	`GUI rather`
`19:24.49`	`Shirik`	`hm, tornado watch, I'm gonna go put away the lawn chairs =P`
`19:24.56`	`Shirik`	`btw happy 4th of july to those that celebrate :)`
`19:25.39`	`cogwheel`	`ditto`
`19:25.47`	`cogwheel`	`(re 4th, not tornados)`
`19:42.52`	`Shirik`	`so, ui.worldofwar.com got bought out or just changed?`
`19:43.13`	`Shirik`	`cause I just got an email from incgamers.com actually`
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`20:18.55`	`Corrodias`	`it amazes me how people are willing to claim that things aren't an exploit just because they don't want them to change`
`20:19.02`	`Corrodias`	`nah, that's not TOO amazing`
`20:19.11`	`Corrodias`	`i guess what would amaze me is if any of them actually -believed- it`
`20:19.28`	`Corrodias`	`i.e. scorpid poison & hex of weakness on al'ar`
`20:20.05`	`Corrodias`	`no big surprise, though, that blizzard reps don't usually say anything about anything that matters, like these`
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`20:25.26`	`zenzelezz`	`[Raid] [...]: brb getting dressed 2 scs`
`20:25.34`	`Shirik`	`....`
`20:28.45`	`Corrodias`	`i need to find food`
`20:28.48`	`Corrodias`	`arrrr`
`20:28.52`	`Shirik`	`anyone here good with perl-compatible regexes?`
`20:28.53`	`Corrodias`	`i will have to leave the apartment!`
`20:30.34`	`Shirik`	`(and php preferably)`
`20:32.11`	`[dRaCo]`	`php yeah, regex... kinda. sometimes they do what I want em to`
`20:33.09`	`Shirik`	`well you know what bbcode is`
`20:33.15`	`Shirik`	`like [i]...[/i] etc`
`20:33.34`	`Shirik`	`I"m trying to do the same with something called [surl]`
`20:33.37`	`Shirik`	`but it's not replacing:`
`20:33.37`	`Shirik`	`preg_replace('%\\[surl=([^\\]]+?)](.+?)\\[\\/surl\\]%', '<a href="\\1" target="_self">\\2</a>', $fpost);`
`20:36.02`	`[dRaCo]`	`first match looks strange`
`20:37.01`	`Shirik`	`I want to capture the url inside [surl=<url>]`
`20:37.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`the tag is supposed to look like [surl=foo]some text[/surl], isn't it?`
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`20:40.11`	`Shirik`	`ya`
`20:40.26`	`Shirik`	`well not necessarily text but yeah`
`20:40.40`	`Shirik`	`it will typically include a <img src="blah blah" />`
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`20:43.29`	`Kaelten`	`hiya`
`20:43.55`	`[dRaCo]`	`you didnt escape the closing ]`
`20:44.13`	`[dRaCo]`	`for the [surl=foo] thingy`
`20:44.27`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`20:44.36`	`Shirik`	`nice catch`
`20:44.42`	`Shirik`	`funny regexbuddy didn't pick that up`
`20:47.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`workin now?`
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`20:47.24`	`Shirik`	`dunno`
`20:47.26`	`Shirik`	`it takes me 5 years to test`
`20:48.29`	`[dRaCo]`	`$string = "[surl=foo]bar[/surl]"; preg_replace('%\\[surl=([^\\]]+?)\\](.+?)\\[\\/surl\\]%', '<a href="\\1" target="_self">\\2</a>', $string); echo $string;`
`20:48.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`:�`
`20:49.01`	`Shirik`	`doesn't change the fact that I have to upload it and then access the page :P`
`20:49.09`	`cogwheel`	`proof that regexes are evil`
`20:49.11`	`[dRaCo]`	`easyphp.org ;)`
`20:49.15`	`Shirik`	`OMFG`
`20:49.17`	`Shirik`	`I just figured it out`
`20:49.28`	`Shirik`	`see that line I put up there`
`20:49.38`	`Shirik`	`the line that should be $fpost = preg_replace(...`
`20:50.01`	`[dRaCo]`	`nope`
`20:50.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`well, yes.`
`20:50.20`	`Shirik`	`cogwheel: regexes may be evil, but try doing what they can do without em`
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`20:50.48`	`cogwheel`	`Yeah... I use SciTE as my default text editor for just that reason :P`
`20:51.08`	`Shirik`	`gah what a stupid mistake :(`
`20:51.18`	`cogwheel`	`:(`
`20:51.25`	`cogwheel`	`I like SciTE`
`20:51.52`	`Shirik`	`SciTE doesn't like php :(`
`20:52.05`	`zenzelezz`	`who does?`
`20:52.08`	`zenzelezz`	`:-p`
`20:52.13`	`cogwheel`	`Python 4tw`
`20:52.14`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`20:52.14`	`Shirik`	`I see what you mean`
`20:52.17`	`Shirik`	`I never could use it`
`20:52.18`	`Shirik`	`er`
`20:52.24`	`Shirik`	`I never could use Visual Studio's regex replacement capabilities`
`20:53.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`I like php.`
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`20:54.06`	`Shirik`	`php is pretty nice`
`20:54.08`	`Shirik`	`I like it because it's so similar to other languages I already knew`
`20:54.12`	`Shirik`	`so it was easy to pick up`
`20:55.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`I need someone to summarize that thread over there at ej for me, those guys all crunching big numbers all the time :/`
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`20:58.08`	`Shirik`	`woot it works`
`20:58.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`/cheer`
`20:58.16`	`Shirik`	`though you were right [dRaCo] I should have escaped that too :`
`20:59.49`	`[dRaCo]`	`done too much c coding lately?`
`21:00.09`	`Shirik`	`seriously :/`
`21:00.20`	`Shirik`	`and I keep putting .. to concatenate strings too`
`21:00.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`should at least produce errors.`
`21:01.19`	`Shirik`	`it does :P`
`21:01.23`	`Shirik`	`and then it takes me 30 minutes to find it`
`21:02.19`	`Shirik`	`at least there's no worrying about string sizes and buffer overflows though ^^`
`21:05.14`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah, php is easy going once you got used to the syntax stuff`
`21:05.32`	`Shirik`	`it's just been too long since I last used it, so I'm making stupid mistakes`
`21:08.52`	`Shirik`	`on that note`
`21:08.55`	`Shirik`	`peace :)`
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`21:42.55`	`Corrodias`	`okay, i should figure out what i'm still using CT Mod for, if anything`
`21:43.21`	`Corrodias`	`doesn't look like much`
`21:46.24`	`Corrodias`	`ah, one important thing i was using the mail mod for, "mass mail"`
`21:49.23`	`zenzelezz`	`I only use CTRA, and really only the MT list and for those raid leaders that use /raready instead of /readycheck`
`21:50.07`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, i have that sitting in the background`
`21:51.59`	`foxlit`	`Why use ctra for the MT list? :)`
`21:52.06`	`foxlit`	`Doesn't the default UI cover that adequately now?`
`21:54.26`	`Corrodias`	`does the default UI have Main Tank lists?`
`22:02.23`	`zenzelezz`	`foxlit: don't know, my raid leaders just use CTRA's way of setting them`
`22:10.17`	Punkie`	`foxlit: the default UI puts them in a random order for everyone apparently`
`22:10.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyone know the epic and rare color codes off hand?`
`22:10.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`(i.e. hex or rgb values)`
`22:11.07`	`Corrodias`	`i wish the keybind to untarget weren't also the same one to open the game menu`
`22:12.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`nm, found them in wowhead's css`
`22:19.06`	`Corrodias`	`hmm. maybe i'll just make a /cleartarget macro and bind it to escape with bindpad`
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`22:22.28`	`Corrodias`	`but i'd also want it to close windows... i want escape to do everything it does EXCEPT open the game menu >:/`
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`23:32.27`	`Shirik`	`anyone want to take a look at a function for me? I have a function here that captures a Blizz event and then transmits it to addon chat, but I'm worried about its inefficiency`
`23:45.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`damit Shirik, your fumction broke my computer`
`23:45.52`	`Shirik`	`I didn't even post it :(`
`23:46.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know :p`
`23:46.01`	`Shirik`	`it must be really really bad then`
`23:46.16`	`Shirik`	`viral almost`
`23:48.33`	`Shirik`	`this is the function in question: http://wowi.pastey.net/70345?lang=lua`
`23:48.43`	`Shirik`	`I'm worried about creating a new table every time an event occurs`
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`23:54.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`givre me ~2 yrs and i could tell you`
`23:54.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`give*`
`23:54.26`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`23:57.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`is the wow login server down for anyone else?`
`23:59.34`	`Kaelten`	`Shirik: I think a table generates about 64 bytes of memory or something like that, or at least I heard someone say that`
`23:59.57`	`Shirik`	`which is why I don't like that >< then again it's not like you're having 5 events per second`

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