| 00:00.13 | sstixrud | is there a way to print out all the contents of a table in the wow chat screen? |
| 00:00.38 | N00bZXI | sstixrud: for k,v in pairs(table) do print(k) print(v) end |
| 00:01.15 | Iriel | Or, install DevTools and do /dump SomeTable |
| 00:01.31 | N00bZXI | Or /print table with AceConsole |
| 00:04.01 | sstixrud | thanks I have Devtools installed |
| 00:04.10 | Scumbag | Newbie question: how do I define a global integer variable in Lua? |
| 00:04.30 | N00bZXI | Scumbag: nameofthevariable = 0 |
| 00:04.51 | N00bZXI | I suggest not using variables something else might define |
| 00:04.59 | Scumbag | Thanks. There are no type definitions like in C? |
| 00:04.59 | N00bZXI | Variable names* |
| 00:05.31 | Scumbag | So you don't have to say: int nameofthevariable = 0; |
| 00:05.36 | N00bZXI | Nope. |
| 00:05.50 | N00bZXI | You can actually reuse the same variable for different types of values |
| 00:06.04 | Scumbag | Applescript does that. |
| 00:06.15 | Scumbag | Haven't used that language in years though :p |
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| 00:09.57 | Scumbag | Is it possible to write an addon using only Lua, with no XML file, by writing doing this: |
| 00:10.07 | N00bZXI | Yes |
| 00:10.10 | Scumbag | frame = CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 00:10.25 | Scumbag | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", MyFunc);frame:RegisterEvent("ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED"); |
| 00:10.27 | Scumbag | It is? |
| 00:10.31 | N00bZXI | Yep. |
| 00:10.55 | N00bZXI | Except I'd suggest making the variable 'frame' local, to avoid possible conflicts with other addons attempting to use a variable of the same name |
| 00:11.04 | Scumbag | Okay, because I read about doing that with a local variable, but I wanted to know if I could make frame global and it would still work |
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| 00:12.05 | N00bZXI | Yes, although I wouldn't suggest using a variable name like 'frame' |
| 00:12.16 | Scumbag | If I make the frame local, can I still alter it in functions outside the one in which it is defined? |
| 00:12.30 | Scumbag | Like unregister an event? |
| 00:13.01 | N00bZXI | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() this:UnregisterEvent("ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED") MyFunc() end) |
| 00:13.33 | N00bZXI | this refers to a frame if there's a frame it can refer to |
| 00:13.51 | Iriel | If you want to access it later from other code I'd say give it a global name |
| 00:14.12 | Iriel | like local frame = CreateFrame("Frame", "SomeLongerNameWithYourAddonsNameInIt"); |
| 00:14.29 | Scumbag | n00bZXI: you say "this refers" do you mean the token "this" or just what you wrote? |
| 00:14.54 | Iriel | Dont ever do the code the way Noob showed you just then 8-) |
| 00:15.14 | Iriel | do frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self) self:UnregisterEvent("ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED")MyFunc() end) |
| 00:15.35 | Iriel | Try not to use the 'this' global, it's messy and slow |
| 00:15.47 | N00bZXI | Iriel: First arg is the name of the frame? |
| 00:15.55 | Scumbag | I don't even know what "this" means in Lua. |
| 00:16.51 | ckknight | Scumbag: it's a WoW-ism |
| 00:16.52 | Scumbag | in "function(self)" is "function" a keyword or an example identifier? |
| 00:16.57 | ckknight | keyword |
| 00:17.17 | Scumbag | ckknight, I've heard of you, you've written a bunch of addons I use. Hello. |
| 00:18.01 | N00bZXI | Arg1 is the name of the function? |
| 00:18.18 | N00bZXI | frame* |
| 00:19.22 | Iriel | N00bZXI: First arg is the frame itself, second is the event, the remainder are the event args (For OnEvent, anyway) |
| 00:19.48 | N00bZXI | Iriel: I didn't know that! Thanks! |
| 00:19.56 | Arrowmaster | its new i think |
| 00:20.07 | Cide | not really 'new' |
| 00:20.16 | Cide | but it's not that old, no |
| 00:20.26 | Arrowmaster | like 2.1 ish maybe |
| 00:20.26 | Cide | came with the release of 2.0 I think? |
| 00:20.37 | Cide | 2.0 I'm pretty sure |
| 00:21.09 | Arrowmaster | dont think it was an original 2.0 feature, one of the later patchs, i remember seeing it mentioned in one of the changes posts on the forums |
| 00:21.29 | N00bZXI | Is first arg the frame for OnLoad and other scripts also? |
| 00:21.38 | Cide | Iriel, do you remember? |
| 00:21.49 | Cide | I think it was an original 2.0 feature |
| 00:22.14 | Arrowmaster | the first arg is always self for any of those when used with SetScript |
| 00:22.30 | Arrowmaster | the rest depend on what script it is |
| 00:22.56 | N00bZXI | Arrowmaster: Thanks. |
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| 00:23.49 | N00bZXI | I'm gonna change some of my code not to use this then, since using the first arg instead makes more sense to me |
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| 00:24.29 | TheZanke | what are the possibilities of making my game play that admiral ackbar sound clip "IT'S A TRAP" everytime someone lays down a tarp(this is totally just for learning and isnt helpful at all) |
| 00:25.20 | TheZanke | trap* |
| 00:26.12 | N00bZXI | I think there's no event fired, but I also think I've seen an addon that warns when hunters place traps. |
| 00:26.15 | N00bZXI | So I'm not sure |
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| 00:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The "Deadly Boss Mods vs CT Boss Mods" thread makes my head hurt |
| 00:34.02 | Cide | it makes me laugh |
| 00:34.13 | ckknight | BigWigs ftw? |
| 00:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It really, really makes my head hurt |
| 00:34.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112634201&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 00:34.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Like wow |
| 00:35.42 | Shirik | "Generally I think it's better if us laymen who don't program for a living just pay attention to how quickly the game is responding to our the input from out machines than looking at the numbers. " |
| 00:35.46 | Shirik | that's what I wish more people would say |
| 00:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | People say that threads "make their head hurt" |
| 00:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But this one is *literally causing me physical pain* |
| 00:36.14 | Wobin | with a shiv? |
| 00:36.21 | Wobin | I hear some of those threads can get rough |
| 00:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "15 < 19" <-- his reasoning and logic behind that is astounding |
| 00:38.00 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: it's true though |
| 00:38.22 | N00bZXI | ScytheBlade1: Who's, mine? |
| 00:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I'm confusing undead rogues |
| 00:38.39 | Wobin | 15 is less than 19 |
| 00:38.54 | Wobin | isn't it?! |
| 00:39.01 | Cide | common misconception, Wobin |
| 00:39.03 | dieck | hm, as you speak about bossmods, I used to use LaVendetta (DBM), and switched to BigWigs - is there any PvP addon for BigWigs? for Arathi timers (including "win"-prediction), tower and graveyard timers for Alterac? |
| 00:39.04 | Wobin | 5 lights! |
| 00:39.08 | Cide | 15 is EQUAL to 19 |
| 00:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | dieck, I use Capping personally |
| 00:39.49 | dieck | hm, I'll have a look |
| 00:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's simple and works well |
| 00:41.32 | N00bZXI | Question: Is there a way to avoid 'this' when using hooksecurefunc? |
| 00:41.43 | Shirik | there is always a way to avoid "this" |
| 00:41.52 | Shirik | why do you need it anyway? |
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| 00:42.06 | Thrae | N00bZXI: I was under the impression everything was fully migrated to self |
| 00:42.11 | Shirik | nop |
| 00:42.18 | N00bZXI | Hooking ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick and need to know what was clicked |
| 00:42.19 | Shirik | though it is always possible to use something other than this |
| 00:42.24 | Shirik | which, in most cases, is self |
| 00:42.32 | N00bZXI | Arg1 is the button that was clicked |
| 00:42.36 | N00bZXI | Err mousebutton |
| 00:42.48 | Cide | N00bZXI: hooksecurefunc("ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick", function(self, button) ... end) |
| 00:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice @ http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/kernel_history/developer_graph-2.6.22.png |
| 00:43.23 | N00bZXI | Cide: I'll use that, thanks |
| 00:43.30 | Thrae | N00bZXI: Are you using GetScript() and SetScript() to hook it? |
| 00:43.58 | N00bZXI | Thrae: I'm using hooksecurefunc |
| 00:44.01 | Thrae | N00bZXI: Instead of hooking ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick, why not hook ContainerFrameItemButton:GetScript("OnModifiedClick") ? |
| 00:44.04 | Shirik | omg taking forever to download |
| 00:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, 43000x2159 |
| 00:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *43200 |
| 00:44.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:44.48 | Thrae | Shirik: New patch? |
| 00:44.54 | Shirik | no |
| 00:44.58 | Shirik | 202:432:31 12‹ScytheBlade112› Nice @ http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/kernel_history/developer_graph-2.6.22.png |
| 00:45.00 | Cide | what the hell |
| 00:45.04 | Shirik | every developer... ever? |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | I think? |
| 00:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Just in the 2.6.22 release |
| 00:45.15 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:45.33 | Cide | and quicktime is trying to load it since I booted it up in IE =/ |
| 00:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Took the gimp ~3 minutes to load and render the thing on my computer |
| 00:45.55 | batrick | cide: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.8 |
| 00:45.58 | batrick | about yesterday |
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| 00:49.01 | Wobin | fail =) |
| 00:49.02 | Wobin | The image “http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/kernel_history/developer_graph-2.6.22.png” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. |
| 00:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 00:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It crashes Adobe too (all versions) |
| 00:49.25 | N00bZXI | Won't display for me either |
| 00:49.26 | Thrae | Anyone familiar with svn? I'm trying to make a directory which is an external to another directory on another svn server. I was trying to avoid setting the value on /trunk. |
| 00:49.27 | N00bZXI | That exact error |
| 00:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to load it up in the gimp for it to work |
| 00:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really massive |
| 00:49.59 | Wobin | Thrae: That has to be one of the most convoluted unhelpful descriptions ever =P |
| 00:50.13 | Wobin | Want to lay it all out? |
| 00:50.40 | Wobin | ps, why avoid setting it on trunk? |
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| 00:50.47 | Thrae | Wobin: I want /trunk/TinyTip to be an external to http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/trunk/TinyTip |
| 00:50.55 | Thrae | Because I'm doing this on the Wowace SVN ;) |
| 00:51.07 | Wobin | I don't think you can then... |
| 00:51.22 | Wobin | although you could hack together a toc |
| 00:51.29 | Wobin | and have that in the TT dir |
| 00:51.36 | Thrae | Yeah, but that sucks |
| 00:51.37 | Wobin | and external another folder inside |
| 00:51.53 | Wobin | No, it's not possible then without modifying trunk |
| 00:52.00 | Wobin | not for an external |
| 00:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah. Is there any known version or incarnation of WoWAceUpdater that works under linux? |
| 00:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I've tried the bash and perl scripts, they fail me |
| 00:57.53 | Wobin | The python script works great for me |
| 00:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
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| 01:01.06 | mikma | god damn that's one huge picture |
| 01:01.18 | mikma | takes forever to load and almost hangs my mac |
| 01:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 01:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I really need to find that "let's kill X!" hotkey and nuke it |
| 01:03.35 | zenzelezz | ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 01:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's some combo of ctrl+alt and the page up/down/home/end/insert/delete keys |
| 01:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Because c+a+pgup and pgdn switch desktops, but for some reason... I randomly hit some unknown hotkey and nuke X |
| 01:04.58 | mikma | ScytheBlade1: best i have found is reset-button in computer ;) |
| 01:05.20 | zenzelezz | only c+a+backspace for me; but I guess it could be the same setting, 'Option "DontZap"' or something like that |
| 01:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma, hehe |
| 01:07.05 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: I can't recall offhand, but search for kemayo's script on the forum |
| 01:07.13 | Wobin | and wowace.py |
| 01:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, will do, thanks |
| 01:08.03 | N00bZXI | ctrl+w? |
| 01:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | This is killing X and everything in it.. |
| 01:11.05 | zenzelezz | again, if it's what I think it is, check your X config (xorg.conf or whatever) for 'Option "DontZap"'; at least for me that disables the hotkey that nukes X |
| 01:11.08 | Shirik | sooo |
| 01:11.11 | Shirik | it downloaded 10% of that image |
| 01:11.13 | Shirik | and gave up |
| 01:11.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to use the gimp to open it |
| 01:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | wget to save, gimp to open |
| 01:11.34 | Wobin | *Shirik's browser*: GASP! |
| 01:12.41 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, will do |
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| 01:23.19 | zenzelezz | the helm reward from the Teron Gorefiend quest line is supposed to put the "amg I see ghosts" buff on you when equipped, or do they only silently apply the buff (no buff icon) now? |
| 01:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it's silently applied |
| 01:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Having that buff was annoying |
| 01:28.50 | zenzelezz | agreed; but since I don't get it now I can't help but wonder... the spectreles still show the buff icon |
| 01:29.21 | zenzelezz | the easy way to find out would be to go back and see; but I'm raising my herbalism in Azeroth :-p |
| 01:29.55 | Arrowmaster | i think they show the buff but only if you equip them or res in shadowmoon |
| 01:30.05 | Arrowmaster | so if you dont have it take them off and put them back on |
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| 01:32.35 | zenzelezz | I'll have to try that later, thanks for the tip |
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| 01:37.34 | zenzelezz | http://jon.thompsonstaggs.com/Media/darthbrit.jpg |
| 01:45.22 | batrick | LOL |
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| 02:24.29 | Zombic | aloha all |
| 02:27.02 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 02:27.45 | batrick | is there something more to the getglobal function than: function getglobal(string) return _G[string] end |
| 02:27.47 | batrick | ? |
| 02:29.14 | N00bZXI | Nope? |
| 02:29.38 | batrick | semms to be an unnecessary function call :s |
| 02:30.05 | Cide- | more userfriendly than _G[...] though |
| 02:30.18 | Cide- | s/userfriendly/beginnerfriendly/ |
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| 03:28.32 | Kemayo | ScytheBlade1: http://code.google.com/p/wowacepy/ |
| 03:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Kemayo, awesome, ty |
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| 04:34.56 | N00bZXI | What function would I use to check if a unit is both in range and in line of sight of a certain spell? |
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| 04:40.09 | subbawt | i don't think such a function exists N00bZXI |
| 04:40.12 | subbawt | at least not for LoS |
| 04:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Range can be done with the UI, but LoS can't |
| 04:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI shows you what spells are out of range; they don't show you LoS |
| 04:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You get the AddMessage() error instead |
| 04:43.11 | N00bZXI | I see, well, I guess I'll just use range then |
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| 05:10.22 | JunkHead-Work | Hello. |
| 05:27.22 | Xuerian | wowhead sold out? o_0 |
| 05:27.36 | Wobin | wha? |
| 05:28.22 | Xuerian | http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9734030-7.html 0_o |
| 05:28.28 | Wobin | wow they really did |
| 05:28.53 | subbawt | of course they sold out |
| 05:29.34 | Wobin | Well naturally =) |
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| 06:37.33 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, did you read http://www.wowhead.com/?wowhead-exciting-news ? |
| 06:38.12 | Thunder_Child | same people that do wowi now do wowhead as well |
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| 07:00.53 | Jazradel | hey all |
| 07:04.07 | Jazradel | The wind whistles in the background as a small piece of tumbleweed bounces over the desolate scene. |
| 07:13.50 | Iriel | Suddenly a post-apocalyptic sub-humanoid on his spiked rocket jeep leaps over the horizon, shattering the tumbleweed into a thousand burning pieces, in search of flesh to consume |
| 07:15.15 | Jazradel | nice to see someone else is in here |
| 07:16.00 | Iriel | even if i'm not paying attention. |
| 07:16.08 | Iriel | There's many people here, likely all doing something else aswell 8-) |
| 07:16.20 | Jazradel | :P |
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| 07:16.47 | Jazradel | well, while someone is in here do you mind taking at look at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10747? |
| 07:17.10 | ZealotOnAStick | Some of us are just habitual lurkers. |
| 07:17.16 | Fin | boo |
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| 07:18.04 | Thunder_Child | shhh..i'm trying to sleep here |
| 07:18.17 | Jazradel | As the sun slowly fades into the horizon the lurkers awaken. |
| 07:19.01 | Iriel | Isn't it SetBindingClick ? |
| 07:19.19 | Jazradel | either one |
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| 07:19.35 | Jazradel | i got rid of the actually version and typed that second code blokc from memory |
| 07:19.49 | Jazradel | so yeh it probably is SetBindingClick |
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| 07:25.07 | batrick | anybody see why: /cast [help, target=targettarget] Frostbolt |
| 07:25.09 | batrick | doesn't work |
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| 07:27.45 | Jazradel | hmm maybe it checks [help] after it sets target=targettarget |
| 07:28.44 | batrick | i understood it to be otherwise, and cogwheels guide agrees so i dunno |
| 07:28.52 | batrick | either way it doesn't work |
| 07:29.13 | Jazradel | i'll log into wow and have a look |
| 07:29.19 | batrick | thanks |
| 07:29.59 | Iriel | the order isn't important for target= |
| 07:32.58 | batrick | ugh |
| 07:33.14 | batrick | I'm pretty sure it used to work, couple of patches ago it stopped working and I didn't bother trying to figure out why |
| 07:36.21 | batrick | I can't see what's wrong with it |
| 07:36.27 | batrick | how annoying : ( |
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| 07:44.52 | Fin | cladhaire's book is called "Hacking World of Warcraft", right? |
| 07:45.07 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:45.10 | Fin | danke |
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| 08:03.38 | Corrodias | wait, wait |
| 08:03.56 | Corrodias | my hunter's helper says that spiders can learn Gore. it may have been a while since i updated it, but i'm not aware that has ever been true. |
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| 08:04.33 | Iriel | I dont believe it has |
| 08:06.46 | Corrodias | if it were true, spiders might be nearly useful. we can't have that. |
| 08:07.50 | Corrodias | they'd just be missing a speed-increasing ability and then boom, they'd be the perfect pet! >:o |
| 08:08.19 | Thunder_Child | bad helper then |
| 08:08.40 | JunkHead-Work | I had a dream today, that I bought a GI Joe aircraft carrier. |
| 08:08.53 | JunkHead-Work | Has anyone else ever had that dream? |
| 08:09.09 | Jazradel | not that i can think of |
| 08:09.20 | JunkHead-Work | Ok just checking. |
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| 08:46.16 | batrick | hehe |
| 08:46.23 | batrick | i'm getting my friend's to do this |
| 08:46.24 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.32 | batrick | and I rationalize it saying "it saves memory" |
| 08:52.59 | ckknight | ...lol? |
| 08:54.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm too tired to figure out what that does |
| 08:54.11 | sag_ich_nicht | what does it do batrick |
| 08:54.23 | sag_ich_nicht | looks like you are nilling some table |
| 08:54.37 | batrick | i'm hiding all frames |
| 08:54.39 | batrick | and |
| 08:54.43 | batrick | deleting everything |
| 08:54.50 | batrick | only way to recover is alt+F4 |
| 08:54.52 | batrick | hehe |
| 08:55.11 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 08:55.16 | sag_ich_nicht | you should be kicked in the balls. |
| 08:55.24 | batrick | haha |
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| 09:11.51 | ckknight | actually, batrick, it doesn't delete anything |
| 09:12.03 | ckknight | change v = nil to _G[_] = nil |
| 09:15.15 | batrick | O.o |
| 09:15.26 | batrick | o right |
| 09:15.29 | Fin | you're an idiot |
| 09:15.37 | batrick | o well |
| 09:15.46 | batrick | it has the appearance of deleting everything |
| 09:15.51 | batrick | that's all that matters lol |
| 09:17.18 | ckknight | batrick: /script for _,v in pairs(_G) do if type(rawget(v, 0)) == "userdata" and type(v.Hide) == "function" then v:Hide(); end; setfenv(0, {}) |
| 09:19.20 | batrick | you're going to far greater lengths than I would normally just to scare friends that every setting was deleted :P |
| 09:19.35 | batrick | which it was |
| 09:19.39 | batrick | if they were able to log out |
| 09:23.58 | Iriel | Bear in mind if they happened to get disconnected then you'd have deleted all of their settings |
| 09:25.19 | Fin | I would expect most people might just quit and restart anyway if something like that happened, rather than alt-f4 |
| 09:25.54 | Fin | someone like my girlfriend wouldn't even know that alt-f4 does what it does |
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| 09:49.20 | Corrodias | okay. rapid killing reduces the cooldown on rapid fire, useful for raid bosses, so i do want that. |
| 09:53.17 | Corrodias | can't help but STILL wish i had another 30 talent points |
| 09:54.54 | Corrodias | here's the question. do i want Endurance Training (+10% health) or Thick Hide (+20% armor, +3% to the armor bonus from the hunter) and Catlike Reflexes (+9% dodge)? I think the latter is much more effective-sounding |
| 09:55.21 | Corrodias | if there's decent magic resistance, that's a nice combination |
| 09:55.39 | Corrodias | i keep changing my planned hunter spec every other day, but i'm having fun doing it |
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| 09:58.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | boop |
| 10:03.11 | Corrodias | why do the wow forums never let me search? :P |
| 10:05.04 | Corrodias | so i'm planning on NOT taking Mortal Shots, at least at the moment i'm planning this |
| 10:05.36 | Corrodias | reason being that i calculated that a BM hunter with a 25% crit rate is only going to get a 3.6% boost in total dps from 5 points in Mortal Shots which could be used elsewhere |
| 10:05.51 | Fin | Corrodias: because they are a pile of fetid horse wang |
| 10:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | which one is mortal shots? |
| 10:06.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | 100% more damage from crits? |
| 10:06.54 | Corrodias | +30% damage bonus on crits |
| 10:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 10:06.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 30 |
| 10:07.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | duh |
| 10:07.01 | Corrodias | so you get 230% damage instead of 200% |
| 10:08.39 | Corrodias | if a BM hunter is doing only 60% of his total damage (a number i keep hearing from end-game BMers) and that talent doesn't affect the pet's crits, the damage increase doesn't meet the 1% per point threshhold |
| 10:09.42 | Corrodias | i think i'd rather move those points over to BM for greater pet survivability, to help keep my pet from dropping unexpectedly and losing 40% of my dps |
| 10:10.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably get avoidance and/or that aoe damage reducing |
| 10:10.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing |
| 10:10.55 | Corrodias | that is avoidance |
| 10:11.01 | Corrodias | so "and" |
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| 10:11.11 | Corrodias | easy decision there :) |
| 10:11.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the dodge one |
| 10:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 10:12.02 | Corrodias | my biggest question, after just how i should spec, if whether to get a regular ravager or one of the "extra spiky" ones |
| 10:12.13 | Corrodias | there's a talent for dodging called Catlike Reflexes |
| 10:12.25 | Corrodias | but no pet abilities for it |
| 10:12.48 | TheZanke | 1% for you 3% for your pet |
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| 10:13.16 | TheZanke | on cat like reflexes |
| 10:13.27 | Corrodias | per point |
| 10:13.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess i was thinking cobra reflexes |
| 10:13.31 | TheZanke | ya |
| 10:13.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's a dps thing |
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| 10:14.41 | Corrodias | i think i'm getting me a big orange spiky ravager |
| 10:14.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 10:14.52 | TheZanke | ^.^ |
| 10:14.52 | Corrodias | just to scare you |
| 10:15.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm seeing conflicting reports on cobra reflexes |
| 10:15.06 | TheZanke | i am actually leveling my first hunter as we speak |
| 10:15.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | some people are saying it's a dps boost |
| 10:15.09 | TheZanke | lvl 41 |
| 10:15.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and some are saying it's a dps decrease |
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| 10:15.35 | Corrodias | cobra reflexes increases speed by 30% and decreases damage by a little less, totalling in a 12% white damage dps boost, approximately |
| 10:15.37 | Corrodias | or so i've read |
| 10:16.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 10:16.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, ravagers have the highest white dps, tied with cats |
| 10:16.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus CR |
| 10:16.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus Command racial |
| 10:16.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus frenzy |
| 10:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | = win |
| 10:16.47 | Corrodias | cats have slightly higher health, ravagers have slightly higher armor. the big difference there is gore vs claw |
| 10:16.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 10:16.57 | Corrodias | gore does 13% more damage than claw, on average, over time |
| 10:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | gore's much better |
| 10:17.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | but geez |
| 10:17.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | my ravager |
| 10:17.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | hits like a truck |
| 10:17.24 | Corrodias | we should get our ravagers together |
| 10:17.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | he white(orange) critted for 500 |
| 10:17.32 | Corrodias | make little ravagerlings |
| 10:17.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | at level 60 |
| 10:21.05 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.15 | foxlit | Would that allocate the {} even if pc[v] isn't nil? |
| 10:21.24 | foxlit | (or will it lazily skip that part?) |
| 10:21.41 | Corrodias | the term you're looking for is "short circuit" |
| 10:21.53 | Corrodias | just kidding |
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| 10:22.10 | Corrodias | it wouldn't necessarily be the same answer |
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| 10:23.21 | foxlit | (pc[v] can never be false in this context) |
| 10:23.21 | Corrodias | though it won't "evaluate" {}, that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't allocating it, but i'd doubt it does |
| 10:23.21 | foxlit | Merely making sure I have a table :) |
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| 10:26.30 | Corrodias | got my hunter from level 51 to 53.5 today. hope to accomplish as much tomorrow. |
| 10:26.37 | Corrodias | but for that, i have to go to bed. 'ni! |
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| 10:34.34 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/65140?hi=8 |
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| 10:38.25 | foxlit | Nevermind, I'm being a bit silly. |
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| 10:52.27 | Wobin | foxlit: to check if you have a table, just check the type |
| 10:53.51 | foxlit | Wobin: I removed the original question there, I'm afraid :) |
| 10:54.13 | foxlit | I was complaining that it wasn't iterating through txml["Tag.AnotherTag.1.SomeOtherTag.YetMoreTags"] |
| 10:54.53 | foxlit | And of course the problem was that once it .1., it was actually trying to do txml["Tag.AnotherTag"]["1"] rather than txml["Tag.AnotherTag"][1] |
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| 13:25.37 | Artois | Hey, does anyone know of an addon that shows you when your next mana tick will occur*? |
| 13:41.25 | Shirik | # youPod Micro (third-gen): This youPod doesn't hold any songs, and to see it you need an electron microscope. |
| 13:41.25 | Shirik | # youPod Giga: Only four million of these are being created. They are the size of Jupiter and most of them are being sent to other solar systems with all recorded music ever created by mankind to prove that there is no other intelligent life in the Universe. This was your idea. |
| 13:41.30 | Shirik | http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/YouPod |
| 13:42.01 | zenzelezz | uncyclopedia <3 |
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| 13:46.25 | zenzelezz | I wish they'd let hunters buy one or two more stable slots |
| 13:52.54 | Cairenn|afk | Elkano: hi |
| 13:53.38 | Elkano | ho, highlight was because of the two spam messanges on the forums |
| 13:53.54 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 13:54.26 | Cairenn|afk | subsequently dealt with, I'm presuming, since I didn't notice anything just now when I scanned the site? |
| 13:54.41 | Elkano | yeah, they are gone by now |
| 13:54.57 | Cairenn|afk | k |
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| 15:56.00 | JunkHead | Hi, can anyone help me with the addon "Quartz"? I'm having a problem. |
| 15:56.34 | bleeter | krka: start with 'man X' |
| 15:56.36 | JunkHead | I can't figure out how to move the "Five Second Rule" bars. |
| 15:58.02 | JunkHead | Hmm... |
| 15:58.06 | JunkHead | Let me try something. |
| 15:58.23 | JunkHead | Goddammit nm. |
| 15:58.27 | JunkHead | <-- Stupid |
| 16:00.02 | bleeter | krka: but, you probably don't want to be doing that. last thing we want is for warden to have to start looking for Wine/Cedega/X hacks |
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| 16:08.56 | krka | maybe i can just run autoit through wine |
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| 16:12.13 | zenzelezz | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:15.27 | krka | better not say :) |
| 16:15.44 | krka | step 1 is reviving Autotravel into an addon that just gives directions |
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| 16:19.01 | zenzelezz | sounds fishy |
| 16:20.23 | krka | perhaps so |
| 16:22.07 | foxlit | bleeter: Why? I'd want the warden to look for Wine/Cedega/X hacks; last thing I want is that those filthy communists* running linux cheat! |
| 16:22.37 | bleeter | It's not the sort of question I'd ask in here, with a full name, public IP etc. etc. You never know who's watching/reporting to Blizz. |
| 16:23.00 | bleeter | foxlit: performance in Wine is... wanting, last thing it needs is for smartasses to cause it to further lag out ;) |
| 16:23.56 | krka | wine performs nicely |
| 16:23.58 | krka | imo |
| 16:23.59 | bleeter | foxlit: however, I do agree, that Warden should be looking for such nastiness - though I'm totally 100% unsure how it'd manage it |
| 16:25.08 | bleeter | put it this way, I can think off the top of my head, of a method to do such stuff that'd be next to impossible for Warden to track - and Blizz's only response would be to stop it running on Wine/Cedega. And we don't want that, do we. |
| 16:25.18 | bleeter | *stop the game |
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| 17:15.27 | Wobin | noooo |
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| 17:15.47 | Wobin | Don't be taking my bucket =( |
| 17:17.34 | trik | you can play wow on linux?! |
| 17:17.36 | trik | ?!?!?! |
| 17:18.05 | zenzelezz | through Wine/Cedega, yes |
| 17:18.31 | Wobin | I get quite good fps now I have my new desktop =) |
| 17:18.36 | Wobin | <3 110 fps in IF |
| 17:18.44 | trik | what about in shattrath? |
| 17:18.53 | Wobin | Shattrah only gets about 50 =P |
| 17:19.01 | Wobin | or maybe 60 |
| 17:19.18 | Wobin | still! |
| 17:19.20 | Wobin | Better than my laptop |
| 17:19.25 | Wobin | which I was getting 8 |
| 17:25.48 | Osagasu | Hm. |
| 17:26.17 | foxlit | What the heck does Prat do to ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler? |
| 17:27.43 | Gnarfoz | grep to the rescue |
| 17:28.30 | Gnarfoz | hooks it |
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| 17:30.02 | sylvanaar | foxlit it uses a capture and rewrite technique, which works well for it |
| 17:30.53 | foxlit | Trying to figure out what exactly is going on with my hook on that as well |
| 17:32.42 | foxlit | So far I've got that I hook ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler and modify arg1 to colorize some parts of the text |
| 17:33.01 | foxlit | No prat, it passes through okay. Prat seems to eat colorizing. |
| 17:33.38 | Cide | to prevent dc's? |
| 17:34.22 | foxlit | Nah, it's mostly a visual aid |
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| 17:34.50 | foxlit | Addon-generated messages containt some sort of class-player name encoding, and I translate those to colorcodes to take up less space and be more apparent |
| 17:35.21 | foxlit | It's all client-side so no worries about disconnecting |
| 17:35.53 | foxlit | If I have a separate chatFrame:AddMessage call in ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler, prat replaces my text with the chat text of the last message |
| 17:35.57 | foxlit | Looks awful :/ |
| 17:38.37 | foxlit | And I don't output anything, it seems to ignore the changes I make to arg1 |
| 17:39.24 | sylvanaar | foxlit Prat does its own thing in order to have all its parts work together. You have to hook ahead of Prat in order to modify arg1. |
| 17:40.20 | foxlit | And how do I do that? |
| 17:41.23 | sylvanaar | when do you install your hook? |
| 17:41.29 | foxlit | At load time |
| 17:41.37 | foxlit | Part of the main block of one of the addon files |
| 17:42.43 | foxlit | Is there a load before-type toc field? |
| 17:43.16 | sylvanaar | You need to get called before Prat, so you need to hook after it does |
| 17:45.18 | sylvanaar | you can register for the aceevent prat triggers when it has loaded |
| 17:45.26 | foxlit | Not ace. |
| 17:45.37 | sylvanaar | if prat is there so is ace |
| 17:46.09 | sylvanaar | which means you can register for for the event |
| 17:46.32 | foxlit | Presumably it's there after Prat loads |
| 17:46.40 | foxlit | Does prat not hook immediately for some reason? |
| 17:47.04 | sylvanaar | yeah, it delays so that its at the end of the chain |
| 17:47.17 | foxlit | ... |
| 17:47.31 | foxlit | That's a bit annoying. |
| 17:49.05 | foxlit | I can be evil and keep checking that I'm on top, but given the general nature of the issue, we'd probably be caught in some infinite loop of rehooking. |
| 17:49.56 | sylvanaar | local AceEvent = AceLibrary and AceLibrary:HasInstance("AceEvent-2.0") and AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0") |
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| 17:54.19 | sylvanaar | then you can use AceEvent:RegisterEvent("Prat_Ready", function() <your code> end ) |
| 17:55.45 | sylvanaar | or you can check out the way prat does it. its ultimately alot easier |
| 17:56.34 | sylvanaar | if you have to deal with many modules all trying to change the same line of text at least |
| 18:05.18 | sylvanaar | but i guess if you do that why not just use the prat events Prat_FrameMessage, Prat_PreAddMessage, and just set .MESSAGE |
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| 18:18.47 | foxlit | Trying to think of some evil mechanism to remove an existing hook and rehook on top; it's a bit shady |
| 18:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, the "Addon Spotlight" is indeed trojan'd. |
| 18:25.36 | Cairenn | where? |
| 18:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | UI forums |
| 18:25.53 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 18:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112415119&sid=1 |
| 18:26.27 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing like hex editing binary "batch files" in linux ;) |
| 18:27.07 | Cairenn | presume it's been reported already, yes? |
| 18:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I just reported it, so yes |
| 18:27.37 | zenzelezz | I'd say "never trust direct links on public forums", but then again I know lots of people who would :-| |
| 18:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just depressing to see pricks take high quality addons and trojan them |
| 18:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then repost it and nuke accounts |
| 18:28.46 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 18:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still waiting for someone to trojan an addon with a desktop.ini, causing a literal autorun of trojans whenever you open the folder |
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| 18:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Has anyone explored the possibilies of allowing addons to run from a .zip? |
| 18:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean the technical limitations, advantages, disadvantages, etc. |
| 18:33.28 | foxlit | Step 1: Blizzard-based addon hosting and signing. |
| 18:33.30 | foxlit | Step 2: ??? |
| 18:33.32 | foxlit | Step 3: Profit. |
| 18:33.35 | kergoth | addons dont run from disk, they run from ram after the file is loaded as a lua chunk and executed. the only difference would be in load time, for a minor disk savings |
| 18:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, so my thinking: toss some .zip code into WoW, let people "run addons without extracting them" |
| 18:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Solves a whole host of problems concerning keyloggers, and it simplifies installation. |
| 18:35.10 | zenzelezz | if that was your purpose they could give us a tool to turn our addons into some other single archive file |
| 18:35.43 | zenzelezz | for example |
| 18:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I talk to ShadowFlare. I might be able to convince her to fix WinMPQ to support the large WoW MPQs. :P |
| 18:36.10 | kergoth | i dont see how it solves the problem of keyloggers unless the author can sign it with gpg and the player only allow the addon with that key to be used |
| 18:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | If people move a file around, as long as they don't double-click, they can't be hurt |
| 18:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Conversely, public key signatures may be overkill. |
| 18:37.03 | foxlit | DestroyAllLoot(); |
| 18:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Authentication shouldn't be required for addons. It'd be nice, but imagine the case for ".wowaddon" which is simple a renamed .zip. |
| 18:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Admittedly, then people would just distribute single-file executables... |
| 18:38.35 | foxlit | <ScytheBlade1> Authentication shouldn't be required |
| 18:38.41 | foxlit | Why the hell not? |
| 18:39.25 | kergoth | i like the idea of signing personally, but then blizzard would need to provide an "addon installer" which they point at the zip and .sign to install, so its easy |
| 18:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) It "works" now 2) Addons have to be created somehow. Are you going to re-sign your addon every time you change a line of code? No, they'd throw another field in the .toc. Which the trojan people would just flip anyways. |
| 18:40.01 | foxlit | 1) It doesn't. Some people may be okay with it not working, however. |
| 18:40.15 | foxlit | You can _never_ be sure that the update you're downloading actually came from the preson who wrote the original mod |
| 18:40.39 | Legorol | In that ominous link to Cartographer, that was just mentioned, how can I see that it's a trojan/keylogger? |
| 18:40.47 | Legorol | I downloaded the zip, scanned it and came up with nothing. |
| 18:40.53 | Legorol | I also don't see any executable files inside it |
| 18:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out the 156kb .bat file. |
| 18:41.10 | Legorol | which one, there are 2 |
| 18:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, the both of them. |
| 18:41.21 | kergoth | its not that hard to re-sign the zip. its easy to write a release script, many competent authors already do, for svn tagging or just re-zipping and cleaning out backups of text files and shit |
| 18:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They're both executables renamed to .bat. |
| 18:41.40 | Legorol | ah right |
| 18:41.44 | Legorol | i see it, you are right |
| 18:41.56 | Legorol | but why would anyone run a .bat file? that's nonstandard for installing an addon |
| 18:42.04 | Legorol | usually you just unzip and that's it |
| 18:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, so signing with an accepted private key is in the hands of the authors? |
| 18:42.12 | Legorol | do people really fall for this? |
| 18:42.30 | Legorol | hm, i guess they would |
| 18:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, cartographer has that as a legitmate install. You'll see all of the "Catrographer_*" folders there? |
| 18:42.35 | kergoth | it'd have to be, to be a valid proof that it came from the author and is unmodified |
| 18:42.51 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: yeah i do |
| 18:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | They are all seperate addons, and it ships with a valid .bat file which installs them for you (by copying them) |
| 18:43.00 | Legorol | huh |
| 18:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, so then the "bad guys" just resign with a different key and a matching name. |
| 18:43.14 | Legorol | ok, interesting |
| 18:43.35 | Legorol | that's an interesting way of distributing an addon package |
| 18:43.43 | Legorol | why not just zip them up normally? |
| 18:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Do YOU want to download 13 addons for one to function? |
| 18:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (That's what I see anyways.) |
| 18:44.20 | Legorol | i don't understand |
| 18:44.24 | Legorol | i download a single zip |
| 18:44.25 | kergoth | there's a reason gpg and pgp have a web of trust. a key thats never been signed shouldnt be trusted. |
| 18:44.27 | Legorol | i extract |
| 18:44.28 | Legorol | end of story |
| 18:44.40 | kergoth | but admittedly the complexity is increasing |
| 18:44.49 | Legorol | if i'm supposed to "install" anything, why not just zip it up like that in the first place? |
| 18:44.52 | Legorol | or am i missing something? |
| 18:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, all of those folders inside of Cartographer are seperate addons. To get their functionality, you're downloading 14 components to it. |
| 18:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, signed by who, though? That's the question. |
| 18:45.17 | Legorol | if those are 14 separate addons, then why aren't they in 14 separate folders in the zip file to begin with |
| 18:45.19 | kergoth | hm? |
| 18:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, *shrugs* Ask the addon dev. :) |
| 18:45.33 | Legorol | look, all i am objecting to is having to do a separate "install" step |
| 18:45.37 | Legorol | i don't see the necessity for that |
| 18:45.55 | Legorol | if Cartographer doesn't function without me doing that install step anyway, i need all 14? |
| 18:46.07 | Legorol | i think i will |
| 18:46.14 | Legorol | i must be missing something because this doesn't make any sense |
| 18:46.27 | zenzelezz | I just extracted Cartographer and loaded WoW, never noticed any bat files o_O |
| 18:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I click the .sh script personally ;P |
| 18:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, don't get me wrong, signed addons would help immensely. But keep in mind how few people are going to even stop to compare and check for proper signatures? For it to really not load addons from bad signatures, you'd need it to be signed "by blue" - or at least signed by a key that is signed by blue. |
| 18:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you have the question of who has access to those corresponding private keys. |
| 18:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And, more importantley, who does NOT have access to get one. |
| 18:48.46 | kergoth | that's why i suggested a blizzard installer that accepts the key and signature. it could abort if that sig is untrusted in your web of trust. you wouldnt need it signed by blue, you'd need your key signed by someone who knows you're you. itd be sufficient if cair recognized me on irc as me via my behavior and signed my key, and hers having been signed by fellow site admins and blizz folk she knows.. |
| 18:48.54 | kergoth | the web of trust doesnt require that the trust be direct. |
| 18:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | So essentially a third-party PKI then |
| 18:49.31 | kergoth | the problem is the addon community is relatively distributed, and confirming that you're you to sign your key is best done in person |
| 18:49.38 | kergoth | though irc helps, unless a good actor is posing as you |
| 18:49.39 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 18:49.42 | foxlit | kergoth: blizzard as signing authority |
| 18:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And knows your ident password... |
| 18:50.00 | kergoth | that's true, nickserv would help matters immensely |
| 18:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit, then throw in my questions. Who gets the right to sign? Who doesn't? |
| 18:50.58 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you tell a legit addon dev. from another legit addon dev. with bad intentions? |
| 18:51.00 | kergoth | anyway, you'd have a lot of details to be worked out, thats obvious, but i think itd still be viable.. certainly not in this game, maybe in their next endeavor |
| 18:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, I kinda like this chain of thought though. :) |
| 18:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Plain and simple, even doing a WoWI chain of trust is more effort than 9/10 of people would go through. It'd require "blue backing" - and even then, we'd be incredibly lucky to get 50% of the users to properly build their chain of trust |
| 18:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the other 50% that need these protections, and I don't see how it could be done in a simple manner that would work |
| 18:53.03 | zenzelezz | does anyone else find this wording a bit funny? "[1. General] [...]: <Betrayal> - A friendly and social guild [...]" |
| 18:53.14 | kergoth | all itd prevent is the casual jackass from getting dangerous files to the user, the ones that want it bad enough would be able to fake it with some genuine releases enough to get signed by someone with blue connections |
| 18:53.16 | Legorol | lol |
| 18:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much exactly, yeah |
| 18:53.47 | kergoth | just a half measure, really, and as you say, probably more trouble than its worth given that |
| 18:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I'm saying don't bother. Distribute addons as a renamed .zip, and make the blizzard addon installer check to see if it's an executable renamed to .wowaddon. Deny if it is. |
| 18:54.54 | kergoth | yeah.. users will sitll download exes that claim to be self extractors with wowaddon files inside, but we cant prevent idiots from shooting themselves in the foot |
| 18:55.04 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: that doesn't seem to stop incidences like the cartographer trojan just mentioned |
| 18:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, true. Cartographer would have to be re-architected or come in a literal 15 pieces. |
| 18:55.40 | kergoth | i still like the idea of an addon development social network as an indicator of trust of the addon author though, even if it isnt actually viable. would be nifty. |
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| 18:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I agree with that |
| 18:55.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56.20 | kergoth | what i hate about most social networks is people go "oh, that person says they know me.. they must from somewhere, i'll hit yes.." |
| 18:56.27 | kergoth | on shit like linkedin, makes it less useful |
| 18:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Heck, throw in a wowaddon:/ file handler into windows. wowaddon://server.tld/path/to/addon/addon.wowaddon |
| 18:56.59 | foxlit | Needs even more direct blizzard intervention |
| 18:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | From there, whitelist domains and post a list of authentic addon sites on the boards. |
| 18:57.22 | foxlit | Kill downloads from outside blizzard-controled sources at all |
| 18:57.30 | foxlit | You either use their software to load addons, or you don't load addons. |
| 18:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not needed... they support trusted 3rd party sites. |
| 18:57.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Just look at the SC modding community. |
| 18:57.54 | foxlit | I don't see the need for 3rd party sites |
| 18:58.07 | foxlit | It's an extra weak link in the chain of trust, it shouldn't be there. |
| 18:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | This wouldn't be a chain of trust, simply a list of known trusted sites and a renamed .zip. |
| 18:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Two different threads of conversation going on here |
| 18:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | In reality, we could do the PKI stuff now. Wouldn't be hard. |
| 18:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it would be, but not compared to changing the real system :P |
| 19:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, I also wouldn't go as far as to say that it's not likely to see in WoW, but rather the next game. This IS the largest MMO out there period, and as long as people spend money on it, dev will continue.. |
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| 19:02.40 | kergoth | true, but it seems kinda invasive for an existing deployed game. when all their addons stop working, people will do a lot of bitching and moaning |
| 19:02.45 | kergoth | course people do a lot of bitching and moaning /anyway/ |
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| 19:03.11 | zenzelezz | they already had that with 2.0 ;-o |
| 19:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, it's already happened once |
| 19:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, exactly |
| 19:03.24 | kergoth | that's true, good point |
| 19:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember a thread from a LONG time ago where slouken stated that he'd look at a re-write of the chat code in 3.0 |
| 19:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Point releases (so far, for what it's worth) broke everything anyways. |
| 19:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, major point releases. |
| 19:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I still personally think that removing the extraction step and distributing addons in a non-executable format would help tons |
| 19:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And in comparison to a full blown PKI system, would be very easy to impliment |
| 19:06.35 | foxlit | What's so wrong with extracting a zip? |
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| 19:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Extra step of needless complication, imo |
| 19:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind the *possiblilty* of desktop.ini exploits (which I admit haven't been seen yet, to my knowledge) |
| 19:08.07 | zenzelezz | nothing's forcing you to use archive files now; it's just more convenient than making people download all the files manually |
| 19:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | True. |
| 19:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, just make the archive format an accepted format to load from. |
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| 19:12.21 | krka | hmm... i just installed wow in linux, successfully |
| 19:12.24 | krka | but it runs really slowly |
| 19:12.31 | krka | anyone have any tips? |
| 19:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | What video card? |
| 19:13.23 | krka | 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE] (rev a1) |
| 19:13.35 | krka | i think i am running a proper driver for it |
| 19:13.43 | krka | running in 64-bit mode though... could that be a problem? |
| 19:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1) |
| 19:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, I'm running 64-bit myself |
| 19:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Works fine for me, though |
| 19:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Some times locks up, but I blame that on wine |
| 19:14.57 | krka | i ran it previously on some slightly different, and worse, hardware |
| 19:15.07 | krka | must be some weird driver or weird wine-issue |
| 19:15.21 | krka | i used to run on 32bit, slower processor, 512 mb ram |
| 19:15.28 | krka | now i have 64bit, dual core, 1gig ram |
| 19:15.32 | krka | and better graphics card |
| 19:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Get another gig of RAM... you'd be shocked at the difference |
| 19:16.55 | krka | still... it's weird that this is performing worse |
| 19:21.56 | sylvanaar | is wow 64bit? |
| 19:22.03 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:22.07 | sylvanaar | there you go |
| 19:22.27 | nevcairiel | not sure how that is for linux |
| 19:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Works fine here |
| 19:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 64-bit everything |
| 19:22.45 | nevcairiel | the windows 32bit emulation works good for wow .. dunno about linux |
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| 19:24.16 | krka | how annoying |
| 19:24.18 | sylvanaar | its prolly still pretty costly to cross the boundary though |
| 19:24.20 | krka | getting like 8 fps |
| 19:24.35 | krka | cpu is not really working too hard, and plenty of free mem |
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| 19:32.21 | krka | have any nice xorg settings? |
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| 19:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, nothing fancy |
| 19:33.30 | Corrodias | if a post on the wow forums has the grey biohazard symbol, indicating it has been reported by somebody, would it do any good for me to also report it or should i just leave it? |
| 19:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it does do any good |
| 19:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Every point counts, so to speak |
| 19:35.27 | krka | hmm... annoying |
| 19:46.22 | Industrial | I need youtube/gvideo standup comedy! Can anyone recommend something? |
| 19:47.10 | zenzelezz | http://youtube.com/watch?v=puzFWDPy3i0&mode=related&search= |
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| 20:00.48 | foxlit | comedycentral.com :) |
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| 20:02.59 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 20:03.00 | sag_ich_nicht | question |
| 20:03.18 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm a paladin, what should my mount macro look like after 2.1? i didn't bother so far :P |
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| 20:15.07 | sag_ich_nicht | grrr |
| 20:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | found a bug in the blizz code for macros |
| 20:15.33 | batrick | did you now |
| 20:15.35 | batrick | what bug is that |
| 20:16.09 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/65591-yboz |
| 20:16.10 | Legorol | <sag_ich_nicht> i'm a paladin, what should my mount macro look like after 2.1? <= how did it look like before 2.1? I can't read your mind |
| 20:16.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Legorol i worked it out already |
| 20:16.20 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 20:16.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a bit broken :P |
| 20:16.27 | sag_ich_nicht | see the pastey |
| 20:16.43 | batrick | sag |
| 20:16.47 | batrick | why use outdoors? |
| 20:16.54 | batrick | only useful for druids imo |
| 20:17.07 | sag_ich_nicht | batrick because you can't mount when you're not outdoors. |
| 20:17.12 | sag_ich_nicht | IF is outdoors as well |
| 20:17.13 | batrick | so what |
| 20:17.14 | sag_ich_nicht | fyi |
| 20:17.19 | zenzelezz | why are your #showtooltip and #showicon blank? I thought they expected more |
| 20:17.28 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz nope |
| 20:17.34 | nevcairiel | he wants to avoid the error messages |
| 20:17.38 | Legorol | sag_ich_nicht: what is the issue with your macro? please describe |
| 20:17.44 | sag_ich_nicht | see the title of the pastey |
| 20:17.46 | sag_ich_nicht | hold down CTRL |
| 20:17.47 | batrick | i think in that case the error messages are useful |
| 20:17.54 | nevcairiel | #showtooltip implies showicon |
| 20:17.54 | sag_ich_nicht | it should show the icon for Summon Charger |
| 20:18.03 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel oh? :O |
| 20:18.04 | nevcairiel | you only need #showtooltip :) |
| 20:18.14 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 20:18.23 | sag_ich_nicht | still doesn't show the right icon if i hold down ctrl though |
| 20:18.31 | batrick | it should |
| 20:18.34 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 20:18.35 | batrick | have you tried leaving those out? |
| 20:18.41 | sag_ich_nicht | thus, bug |
| 20:18.42 | Legorol | <batrick> why use outdoors? <= i would like to know too |
| 20:18.45 | sag_ich_nicht | batrick which? |
| 20:18.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Legorol: because it' |
| 20:19.00 | nevcairiel | http://pastey.net/65594 |
| 20:19.04 | nevcairiel | thats what i use |
| 20:19.05 | batrick | is that your bug sag? |
| 20:19.15 | sag_ich_nicht | s/it'/it's pointless to try mounting if you can't?/ |
| 20:19.42 | batrick | what is the bug exactly? |
| 20:19.42 | batrick | sag |
| 20:19.42 | batrick | but the error message is useful |
| 20:19.42 | batrick | and doesn't hurt you any |
| 20:19.45 | sag_ich_nicht | batrick |
| 20:19.48 | batrick | lol |
| 20:19.49 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no error message |
| 20:19.53 | sag_ich_nicht | it DOES what it SHOULD |
| 20:19.59 | batrick | so what's the bug... |
| 20:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | it just doesn't show the correct icon for the action |
| 20:20.01 | batrick | lol |
| 20:20.03 | batrick | ok |
| 20:20.08 | sag_ich_nicht | which it should since 2.1 |
| 20:20.13 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: bug |
| 20:20.18 | batrick | mine works fine |
| 20:20.22 | nevcairiel | try modifier:ctrl on your summon line |
| 20:20.32 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: that wouldn't work |
| 20:20.47 | sag_ich_nicht | it should use the charger if it's non-flyable, without ctrl+click |
| 20:20.48 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 20:20.55 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 20:20.58 | batrick | sag |
| 20:21.04 | sag_ich_nicht | it works that way currently, but the icon updating is wrong as i said |
| 20:21.05 | Legorol | guys |
| 20:21.06 | batrick | hm |
| 20:21.08 | Legorol | why type lines like |
| 20:21.09 | Legorol | sag |
| 20:21.11 | Legorol | batrick |
| 20:21.12 | Legorol | pointless |
| 20:21.21 | batrick | O.o |
| 20:21.21 | sag_ich_nicht | it shows the question mark instead of the summon charger icon |
| 20:21.30 | Legorol | may i suggest the alternative of: |
| 20:21.37 | Legorol | batrick: statement A |
| 20:21.41 | Legorol | sag_ich_nicht: statement B |
| 20:21.47 | batrick | legorol who pissed in your cerial |
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| 20:21.54 | Legorol | indeed |
| 20:21.59 | Legorol | but i like pissy cereal |
| 20:22.04 | zenzelezz | you're obviously cluttering up his screen batrick |
| 20:22.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Bug: it should show The summon charger icon when i hold down ctrl, it doesn't, it shows the question mark. |
| 20:22.06 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 20:22.09 | batrick | lol |
| 20:22.15 | Legorol | zenzelezz: that'd be correct |
| 20:22.20 | batrick | luckily for him irc comes with ignore features |
| 20:22.26 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: http://pastey.net/65596 try that, just for testing :) |
| 20:22.38 | Legorol | i'm not trying to ignore anyone ;-) |
| 20:22.48 | zenzelezz | just impose your opinion onto them |
| 20:22.53 | Legorol | exactly |
| 20:22.58 | batrick | have you tried removing the semicolons sag? |
| 20:23.00 | zenzelezz | in a most uncouth way |
| 20:23.04 | batrick | I don't think they should be there |
| 20:23.09 | Legorol | in a rather rude way you might say |
| 20:23.19 | Legorol | that i'd agree with and apologise for |
| 20:23.22 | Legorol | but my point still stands |
| 20:23.40 | zenzelezz | I agree with your point, but not the way it was presented |
| 20:23.44 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: nope, question mark as well if i hold down CTRL |
| 20:23.58 | sag_ich_nicht | summons the charger though if i click |
| 20:24.01 | Legorol | I'd like to apologise to everyone for presenting my point in a rude manner, will watch it in the future |
| 20:24.03 | Legorol | and i do mean it |
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| 20:26.35 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: you know the funny thing is, i just copied your inital macro, and it works :P ( i am using a normal land mount and no summon tho ) |
| 20:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i think the summon might be the problem |
| 20:28.24 | nevcairiel | does the spell really have the postfixed (Summon)? |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | and not only Summon Charger? |
| 20:28.42 | Nerinia | well, if that not works, you can still use conditionals on #showtooltip |
| 20:29.30 | nevcairiel | or try postfixing a () .. maybe it thinks summon is a spell rank |
| 20:29.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:28] <nevcairiel> does the spell really have the postfixed (Summon)? <--yes, i shift + clicked it from the spellbook because it didn't work at all initially |
| 20:29.32 | nevcairiel | who knows. |
| 20:29.44 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 20:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel it DOES summon the charger |
| 20:29.50 | sag_ich_nicht | it just doesn't show the icon |
| 20:30.02 | zenzelezz | but why don't you try the extra () just to make sure :-p |
| 20:30.20 | nevcairiel | i tried using some random spell so that i actually do have /cast |
| 20:30.20 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't help either, just tried |
| 20:30.24 | nevcairiel | and it still works |
| 20:30.29 | sag_ich_nicht | well what the hell |
| 20:30.30 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 20:30.40 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme try with a random spell |
| 20:30.40 | nevcairiel | try replacing summon charger with any other spell |
| 20:30.55 | nevcairiel | and go buy a mount :P |
| 20:31.09 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 20:31.12 | sag_ich_nicht | tried holy light |
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| 20:31.14 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't work either |
| 20:31.17 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme try an instant |
| 20:31.23 | zenzelezz | does it every show the right icon? |
| 20:31.26 | zenzelezz | *Ever |
| 20:31.36 | nevcairiel | and i didnt use the ; at the end of the lines |
| 20:31.37 | nevcairiel | who knows :D |
| 20:31.42 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:31.43 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme see |
| 20:31.56 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:31.57 | nevcairiel | i added ; |
| 20:32.00 | nevcairiel | and it stopped working |
| 20:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 20:32.02 | sag_ich_nicht | that's it |
| 20:32.18 | zenzelezz | oh, the ";" probably makes it think there are more conditionals following? |
| 20:32.37 | sag_ich_nicht | probably. |
| 20:32.54 | zenzelezz | think I actually read that in the macro guide on the wiki |
| 20:33.19 | sag_ich_nicht | now |
| 20:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme think how i can make this work on rightclick to summon the charger |
| 20:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 20:33.35 | nevcairiel | button:2 |
| 20:33.53 | nevcairiel | thats simple :P |
| 20:33.58 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 20:34.01 | sag_ich_nicht | nobutton:2 |
| 20:34.03 | sag_ich_nicht | in the first one |
| 20:34.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ;) |
| 20:34.07 | nevcairiel | or button:1 |
| 20:34.08 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | pfff |
| 20:34.17 | sag_ich_nicht | also no |
| 20:34.30 | sag_ich_nicht | because then it won't summon the charger on a normal click if i'm in azeroth |
| 20:34.30 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 20:34.39 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:34.46 | nevcairiel | confusing macro |
| 20:35.00 | nevcairiel | mine is simple |
| 20:35.07 | nevcairiel | since i dont want my land mount in outlands :P |
| 20:35.12 | sag_ich_nicht | okay what the hell |
| 20:35.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i want it |
| 20:35.24 | sag_ich_nicht | since i don't have an epic mount :P |
| 20:35.28 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:35.41 | nevcairiel | true, i used it back then too |
| 20:36.17 | sag_ich_nicht | lol, now it errors but continues to work if i use nobutton:2 |
| 20:36.22 | sag_ich_nicht | tells me another action is in progress |
| 20:36.23 | sag_ich_nicht | X) |
| 20:36.52 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme see |
| 20:37.17 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 20:37.20 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed for good. |
| 20:37.57 | sag_ich_nicht | wait i can save a lot of space in that macro. |
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| 20:38.36 | sag_ich_nicht | there. |
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| 20:40.13 | nevcairiel | hm a /stopmacro [nooutdoor] would reduce alot too :P |
| 20:40.44 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly. |
| 20:42.19 | sag_ich_nicht | grrr |
| 20:42.24 | sag_ich_nicht | now of course the unmount is broken |
| 20:43.02 | nevcairiel | i dont even have a unmount statement |
| 20:43.09 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 20:43.09 | nevcairiel | clicking my macro while mounted umounts me |
| 20:43.15 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:43.17 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 20:43.26 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 20:43.38 | zenzelezz | the same way rightclicking your mount while mounted unmounts |
| 20:43.48 | nevcairiel | or place the /dismount [mounted] before the stopmacro |
| 20:44.37 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 20:46.05 | sag_ich_nicht | then it won't instant summon the charger if i rightclick while i'm on my flying mount though |
| 20:46.10 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 20:46.13 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 20:46.14 | sag_ich_nicht | it does |
| 20:46.14 | sag_ich_nicht | wtf |
| 20:46.22 | sag_ich_nicht | excellent. |
| 20:46.26 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/65611-275d |
| 20:47.14 | sag_ich_nicht | my work is done. |
| 20:47.41 | nevcairiel | i think you can get rid of the nomounted |
| 20:47.59 | nevcairiel | it will dismount you before anyway |
| 20:48.18 | sag_ich_nicht | true |
| 20:49.10 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/65613-42vi |
| 20:49.10 | sag_ich_nicht | there |
| 20:49.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 20:50.17 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, i could remove a tiny bit of cpu strain from that macro by switching dismount with stopmacro |
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| 20:50.48 | zenzelezz | if you consider that /dismount a CPU strain, you should upgrade |
| 20:50.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i was making a joke |
| 20:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 20:51.00 | sag_ich_nicht | that seems to break the macro |
| 20:51.01 | sag_ich_nicht | for no reason |
| 20:51.03 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 20:52.16 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 20:52.19 | sag_ich_nicht | now it's working. |
| 20:53.18 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/65618-46fl |
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| 20:56.36 | krka | weird |
| 20:56.41 | krka | i get like 500 fps in glxgears |
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| 20:57.31 | sstixrud | How do you reset the position of a frame to its origional value? |
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| 21:22.52 | batrick | reset the position to it's original? |
| 21:22.54 | batrick | you can do |
| 21:22.58 | batrick | frame:ClearAllPoints() |
| 21:22.59 | batrick | then |
| 21:23.06 | batrick | frame:SetPoint() |
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| 21:25.51 | sstixrud | bat hmm I tried that didnt seem to do anything at all other then return an error :) |
| 21:26.22 | sstixrud | well no error, but didnt move the frame |
| 21:26.52 | batrick | you have to give parameters to SetPoint |
| 21:27.00 | batrick | look at the wowwiki page for it |
| 21:27.19 | sstixrud | well I know how to do it that way, what I want to do is read the default frame settings from the .xml files |
| 21:27.34 | batrick | you can't do that |
| 21:27.51 | batrick | you'll need to save the default somewhere in your addon |
| 21:28.35 | sstixrud | sigh, maybe I can read the defaults in and save them for use later, I just dont want two places to maintain the same values |
| 21:28.58 | batrick | are you doing this for many frames or just one? |
| 21:29.07 | sstixrud | 30 or so |
| 21:29.13 | batrick | are tehy all of the same type? |
| 21:29.19 | batrick | as in, anchored in the same spot |
| 21:29.31 | zenzelezz | is the positions from the XML applied before OnLoad? |
| 21:29.36 | sstixrud | they are anchored to each other |
| 21:29.37 | zenzelezz | *are |
| 21:29.44 | batrick | zenzelezz, pretty sure they are |
| 21:30.04 | batrick | well |
| 21:30.14 | zenzelezz | if you don't want to hard-code them you could perhaps read and store them in the OnLoad then |
| 21:30.23 | sstixrud | they are action button bars, I have two groups and within each group they anchor to the one above them |
| 21:30.42 | batrick | well it hsould be pretty easy |
| 21:31.20 | sstixrud | ya ill just hard code them. |
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| 21:31.47 | batrick | have a default method: function default() this:ClearAllPoints() this:SetPoint("TOP", _G["FrameNames"..(num + 1)], "BOTTOM") end |
| 21:31.57 | batrick | the second parameter needs changing |
| 21:32.11 | batrick | what you can do is parse the name of the object, and get the number assigned to it |
| 21:32.19 | batrick | then put that in for num |
| 21:32.28 | Thrae | batrick: Use of 'this' is deprecated, use 'self' instead |
| 21:32.35 | batrick | ah I meant that |
| 21:32.37 | batrick | whoops |
| 21:32.46 | batrick | thanks for pointing it out ^^ |
| 21:33.22 | batrick | does that make sense sstixrud ? |
| 21:33.52 | sstixrud | Hmmm kinda, not sure how to parse the object OnLoad tho |
| 21:34.07 | batrick | Why do you need to parse it? |
| 21:34.13 | batrick | do you mean set it to some user |
| 21:34.17 | batrick | 's settings* |
| 21:34.21 | zenzelezz | think he's mixing what I said and what you said |
| 21:34.38 | sstixrud | ya :) |
| 21:34.52 | batrick | the frames in the XML file should have the defaults to begin with |
| 21:34.59 | sstixrud | they do |
| 21:35.06 | batrick | then there's nothing to worry about |
| 21:35.16 | batrick | that method is for setting the defaults alter, if you wanted |
| 21:35.20 | batrick | later* |
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| 21:37.05 | Shirik | hai! |
| 21:37.18 | batrick | ur |
| 21:37.42 | Shirik | ur? |
| 21:37.46 | batrick | no ur! |
| 21:37.56 | Shirik | =( |
| 21:39.28 | Shirik | so yeah, drove for 8 hours today |
| 21:39.29 | Shirik | sucks |
| 21:39.37 | Shirik | and XM had crap on all day |
| 21:40.06 | zenzelezz | don't you have some sort of MP3 player like everyone else? |
| 21:40.50 | Shirik | what's MP3? |
| 21:40.59 | Shirik | heh, but seriously no |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | I just listened to some CDs that's about it |
| 21:41.13 | Shirik | tiesto, guilty gear, avenged sevenfold |
| 21:41.29 | Kaydeethree | yay for tiesto |
| 21:41.50 | [dRaCo] | yay for avenged sevenfold |
| 21:41.53 | zenzelezz | CDs are for backing up porn, nub |
| 21:41.54 | [dRaCo] | =) |
| 21:41.57 | Shirik | I got this new tiesto cd |
| 21:42.00 | zenzelezz | go buy a portable media player |
| 21:42.04 | Shirik | forgot what it's called though |
| 21:42.05 | Shirik | love it |
| 21:42.15 | Shirik | it's got a picture of the greece flag on it? |
| 21:50.22 | Kaydeethree | bah. why does the launcher never handle downloading patches properly? |
| 21:52.23 | zenzelezz | it doesn't? |
| 21:52.55 | Kaydeethree | not in wine. at least for me. had to start wireshark, relaunch wow, figure out what it was trying to leech and download it manually |
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| 21:54.47 | sag_ich_nicht | [23:50] <Kaydeethree> bah. why does the launcher never handle downloading patches properly? <--more like, why does wine not handle what the patcher is doing correctly. |
| 21:54.58 | Kaydeethree | yar |
| 21:55.09 | sag_ich_nicht | so don't lay the blame on the patcher. |
| 21:55.25 | Shirik | pebkac? |
| 21:55.28 | sag_ich_nicht | or launcher, for that matter. |
| 21:55.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: no, running WoW in wine |
| 21:55.39 | zenzelezz | I don't know the problem anyway - but are you talking about the launcher or the background downloader? |
| 21:55.48 | Kaydeethree | the launcher. it just got a tools update today |
| 21:56.02 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: That would imply pebkac |
| 21:56.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: why? |
| 21:56.21 | Kaydeethree | I don't even bother with the BGD or big files in the regular downloaders. azureus is faster anyway |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik | You state the problem is running WoW in wine |
| 21:56.46 | Shirik | therefore the obvious solution is not to run it through wine |
| 21:56.50 | Shirik | that is a concious decision by the user |
| 21:56.56 | Shirik | which, therefore, implies pebkac |
| 21:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik it doesn't run on linux without wine |
| 21:57.04 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 21:57.07 | Shirik | Right |
| 21:57.07 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not pebkac |
| 21:57.08 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 21:57.09 | zenzelezz | one of these days I should try installing Wine and move uTorrent to my Linux box |
| 21:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | stop trolling. |
| 21:57.10 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 21:57.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 21:57.16 | Shirik | Because the obvious solution to that |
| 21:57.19 | Shirik | is not to use Linux |
| 21:57.21 | Shirik | no? |
| 21:57.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalestab Shirik |
| 21:57.22 | purl | ACTION stabs Shirik with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 21:57.26 | Shirik | =) |
| 21:58.04 | Kaydeethree | meh, that'd be my reaction but I've gotta let mailmod get my earnings from the mailbox first |
| 21:58.11 | Shirik | however |
| 21:58.15 | Shirik | I have no problems through Wine |
| 21:58.25 | Shirik | therefore I doubt that's the issue |
| 21:58.30 | Shirik | or if it is, it's not configured properly |
| 21:59.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 21:59.10 | sag_ich_nicht | is the battle recorder anything but a pretty frame atm? |
| 21:59.17 | Kaydeethree | entirely possible. now if only I could figure out what's causing winealsa to crash wow whenever I change system-wide pcm volume |
| 21:59.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaydeethree which distro |
| 21:59.45 | Kaydeethree | wine-0.9.38-3.fc7 |
| 21:59.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 21:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | which DISTRO |
| 21:59.54 | Kaydeethree | fedora 7 |
| 21:59.54 | sag_ich_nicht | not which release |
| 21:59.57 | zenzelezz | no need to shout |
| 21:59.57 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 22:00.00 | sag_ich_nicht | there is your problem |
| 22:00.02 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: not visibly :P |
| 22:00.05 | sag_ich_nicht | you are using a red hat problem |
| 22:00.05 | Shirik | but it does a lot more, yes |
| 22:00.11 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 22:00.15 | Shirik | how could 1500 lines be just a pretty frame |
| 22:00.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: i'm sure you'd manage |
| 22:00.28 | sag_ich_nicht | -problem +distro |
| 22:00.36 | sag_ich_nicht | stop using a red hat distro, start using debian |
| 22:00.39 | sag_ich_nicht | problem solved. |
| 22:00.41 | Kaydeethree | har |
| 22:00.46 | Shirik | ubuntu = ftw :P |
| 22:00.48 | zenzelezz | oh come on, don't even start with the distro propaganda |
| 22:00.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ubuntu is retarded |
| 22:00.51 | Shirik | though I also use red hat enterprise |
| 22:00.58 | Kaydeethree | ya. I'm not going anywhere near that flamewar |
| 22:01.01 | sag_ich_nicht | it's filled with unstabled code |
| 22:01.06 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 22:01.26 | Shirik | but anyway, I use both Ubuntu and Red Hat Enterprise, like em both |
| 22:01.44 | sag_ich_nicht | well, RHEL is a different thing |
| 22:01.48 | sag_ich_nicht | because you get support for it |
| 22:01.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ;P |
| 22:01.52 | Shirik | psh |
| 22:01.53 | Shirik | I don't |
| 22:01.54 | Shirik | school does |
| 22:01.57 | sag_ich_nicht | pfff |
| 22:02.06 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:00] <zenzelezz> oh come on, don't even start with the distro propaganda <--it's not that i like debian so much |
| 22:02.12 | sag_ich_nicht | it's just that i hate red hat |
| 22:02.12 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 22:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | and especially rpm |
| 22:02.24 | zenzelezz | doesn't make a difference |
| 22:02.28 | zenzelezz | propaganda works both ways |
| 22:03.07 | Kaydeethree | meh. dependency hell went away a long, long time ago. the only thing I install manually any more is the proprietary codec pack for mplayer. |
| 22:04.10 | tardmrr | wtf? |
| 22:04.14 | tardmrr | I just 5 capped in AB |
| 22:04.18 | tardmrr | with an alliance pug |
| 22:04.27 | tardmrr | AND I killed a warlock 1v1 |
| 22:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | gentoo4life |
| 22:04.35 | Kaydeethree | the planets aligned or something? |
| 22:04.45 | tardmrr | did we just get into opposite day or something? |
| 22:04.52 | tardmrr | or have pigs begun to fly? |
| 22:05.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Tem no |
| 22:05.37 | sag_ich_nicht | it's just |
| 22:05.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm starting to cheer up |
| 22:06.01 | sag_ich_nicht | but expect bad weather and no good things for the coming week |
| 22:06.09 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 22:06.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik is there anything about the BR that i could actually use atm? :P |
| 22:06.34 | Shirik | if you want to read a 150000 line saved variables file, probably |
| 22:06.54 | mikma | sounds like discord addon |
| 22:07.00 | mikma | 150000 min. :) |
| 22:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:06] <Shirik> if you want to read a 150000 line saved variables file, probably <--code faster, ffs :P |
| 22:07.27 | Shirik | it's probably not 150000 |
| 22:07.28 | Shirik | but it's huge |
| 22:07.37 | Shirik | but see thing is, it's very compressed |
| 22:07.41 | Shirik | just the way it's serialized makes it huge |
| 22:07.45 | Shirik | it's mostly just numbers |
| 22:07.49 | Shirik | but lots and lots of numbers |
| 22:08.30 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:08.34 | Shirik | have the forums gotten even worse |
| 22:08.51 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112505553 |
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| 22:10.43 | Nemo | hi |
| 22:10.49 | mikma | ah haha, good post |
| 22:11.02 | Nemo | don´t you think? |
| 22:11.06 | mikma | 3h ban! forum troll! |
| 22:11.10 | Nemo | ^^ |
| 22:11.14 | Shirik | hai! |
| 22:11.20 | Tem | level 10 forum troll |
| 22:11.26 | Tem | he has no special abilities |
| 22:11.31 | Nemo | i wonder if could ask a question bout gatherer versions here |
| 22:11.31 | Tem | and he's really mad about it |
| 22:11.39 | mikma | ~tuplad |
| 22:11.40 | purl | http://www.taikamaailma.org/gallery/Sekavaa/1080065830042.jpg |
| 22:11.43 | mikma | bingo |
| 22:12.00 | Nemo | <.. lvl 20 Troll (can ask reaaaaly stupid Questions) ^^ |
| 22:12.27 | Shirik | Nemo: You can ask anything |
| 22:12.33 | Shirik | whether or not you'll get the answer may be another story |
| 22:12.41 | Shirik | The one thing you cannot ask, though |
| 22:12.46 | Shirik | is to ask a question |
| 22:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112405766&sid=1 |
| 22:12.51 | sag_ich_nicht | I second this request. |
| 22:13.06 | Shirik | I already considered writing it :P |
| 22:13.13 | sag_ich_nicht | do it |
| 22:13.15 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 22:13.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it should be already possible with the BR |
| 22:13.27 | sag_ich_nicht | unless you did something wrong |
| 22:13.33 | sag_ich_nicht | in which case i'll just punch you. |
| 22:13.36 | Shirik | yup it would |
| 22:13.44 | Nemo | okay, here it comes: what version of gatherer is compatible with WoW version 2.0.12 |
| 22:13.45 | Shirik | but for something as simple as this there's no reason to need something so complex |
| 22:13.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Nemo: http://www.gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/ |
| 22:14.00 | Shirik | Nemo: Why do you care about an older version? |
| 22:14.06 | Kaydeethree | whatever version's currently on the site |
| 22:14.09 | sag_ich_nicht | to be more precise |
| 22:14.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/gatherer-2.99.0567.7z |
| 22:14.23 | Nemo | because a friend of mine has got his own server taht runs with an older version |
| 22:14.25 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 22:14.26 | Shirik | right |
| 22:14.26 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.0.12 |
| 22:14.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Nemo |
| 22:14.30 | Shirik | you can leave now |
| 22:14.32 | sag_ich_nicht | we don't support this |
| 22:14.33 | sag_ich_nicht | get out. |
| 22:14.33 | Nemo | yeah, waiting |
| 22:14.40 | Kaydeethree | not something we deal with in here |
| 22:14.43 | Shirik | fyi, that's very illegal |
| 22:14.46 | Nemo | okay |
| 22:14.49 | Shirik | and I strongly suggest you get out while you can |
| 22:14.49 | zenzelezz | Cairenn will smack you in a moment if she sees what you're asking |
| 22:14.52 | Nemo | didn´t know that |
| 22:15.04 | Nemo | im kind of new to this add on stuff |
| 22:15.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Nemo |
| 22:15.12 | sag_ich_nicht | this isn't about addons |
| 22:15.17 | sag_ich_nicht | privat servers are illegal |
| 22:15.20 | Shirik | this is about private servers |
| 22:15.25 | Nemo | ahh okay |
| 22:15.49 | sag_ich_nicht | your friend is violating federal law right now. you might be in germany, but it's illegal there as well. |
| 22:16.04 | Nemo | ahh okay |
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| 22:16.25 | Nemo | perhaps i should go and hit him on the head really hard...because he didn´t tell me |
| 22:16.29 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 22:16.32 | sag_ich_nicht | perhaps you should. |
| 22:16.40 | Nemo | i surely will |
| 22:16.52 | Nemo | okay, then thanks for the info |
| 22:16.59 | sag_ich_nicht | np |
| 22:17.16 | Nemo | bye bye |
| 22:17.19 | sag_ich_nicht | bye. |
| 22:17.28 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i lied to him |
| 22:17.28 | Shirik | right so, I think it's awesome |
| 22:17.39 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not illegal in germany, it's in a greyzone |
| 22:17.42 | Shirik | that every question I asked him |
| 22:17.48 | Shirik | I already knew the answer |
| 22:17.52 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik | no it's illegal |
| 22:18.23 | sag_ich_nicht | nope, greyzone. no software patents there, so it goes down to copyright questions |
| 22:18.29 | Shirik | At the very minimum, it is an illegal import |
| 22:18.37 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 22:18.38 | sag_ich_nicht | not really |
| 22:18.39 | Shirik | however, the UN has its own laws |
| 22:18.52 | sag_ich_nicht | how would it be an illegal import? |
| 22:19.05 | Shirik | look up the Berne convention, btw |
| 22:19.18 | sag_ich_nicht | the berne convention doesn't deal with software. |
| 22:19.32 | Shirik | oops sorry |
| 22:19.33 | Shirik | WIPO |
| 22:19.36 | Shirik | reading the wrong line |
| 22:19.54 | Shirik | which is a "special agreement" under the Berne convention |
| 22:20.18 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: because it would be stolen goods imported |
| 22:20.23 | Shirik | and exported, for that matter |
| 22:20.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik how so? |
| 22:20.29 | Shirik | uh... |
| 22:20.31 | Shirik | stolen code? |
| 22:20.32 | Gnarfoz | what about a private server is stolen? o_O |
| 22:20.36 | Shirik | the code! |
| 22:20.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik the code is not stolen |
| 22:20.39 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 22:20.42 | Shirik | uh, yes |
| 22:20.48 | Gnarfoz | it's written by the authors of the emulators |
| 22:20.48 | sag_ich_nicht | the code is whiteroom engineered |
| 22:20.49 | Shirik | copyright infringement is equivalent to stealing |
| 22:21.06 | Gnarfoz | like yeah, because something is missing after copyright infringement! |
| 22:21.13 | Gnarfoz | ...not |
| 22:21.15 | Gnarfoz | anyway |
| 22:21.15 | Shirik | the code and artwork both belong to Blizzard, not the authors |
| 22:21.22 | Gnarfoz | they don't use blizzard code |
| 22:21.28 | Gnarfoz | and the server doesn't use any artwork |
| 22:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | the server doesn't use any artwork, and the code for it is reverse engineered using analysis of the traffic WoW causes |
| 22:22.05 | Shirik | ok, reverse engineering is equivalently illegal |
| 22:22.06 | Gnarfoz | which, luckily, is not illegal here |
| 22:22.23 | Shirik | it is illegal for anyone who opened the WoW box |
| 22:22.29 | Gnarfoz | nope. |
| 22:22.32 | Shirik | yes. |
| 22:22.33 | sag_ich_nicht | not really Shirik |
| 22:22.35 | Gnarfoz | such agreements are not legal here |
| 22:22.36 | Shirik | anyone who opened that box |
| 22:22.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 22:22.41 | sag_ich_nicht | not legal in germany |
| 22:22.42 | Gnarfoz | because they can't be viewed before purchase |
| 22:22.45 | Shirik | ffs |
| 22:22.50 | Gnarfoz | heh ;D |
| 22:22.50 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: what you're saying to me right now |
| 22:29.12 | Shirik | is that it's not illegal to break a contract |
| 22:29.12 | Shirik | quite literally |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | shrink wrap licenses are illegal in germany |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what i'm saying |
| 22:29.12 | Shirik | that is irrelevant |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's not |
| 22:29.12 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 22:29.12 | Gnarfoz | it's the entire point oO |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't sign a contract with the purchase of the WoW box |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | neither by opening it |
| 22:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 22:29.13 | sag_ich_nicht | you do sign one |
| 22:29.14 | sag_ich_nicht | but only for the purchase |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | not for what you do with it |
| 22:29.15 | Gnarfoz | and since the terms are not available until after you have purchased it |
| 22:29.15 | Shirik | how have you generated traffic with the WoW server? |
| 22:29.15 | Gnarfoz | they don't apply to the contract |
| 22:29.15 | Shirik | then |
| 22:29.15 | Shirik | let's look at it from another angle |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik so let's look at it from this angle |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i have a hub in my network |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | someone is playing WoW on my network |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | my port gets flooded with his IP packages |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i start analyzing the traffic |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | then try if i can emulate it |
| 22:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't even know what it's for |
| 22:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | oh noes, i just wrote myself a WoW server emulator |
| 22:29.16 | Cide | entirely unrelated but awesomely awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0B1sipLBI |
| 22:29.16 | Shirik | I give up, because obviously none of you will alter your views, but I'll maintain the point that if you think you can hide behind the "international barrier" you are very wrong |
| 22:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Shadowed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design |
| 22:29.16 | Shirik | not that you are trying to, but the point remains |
| 22:29.16 | Gnarfoz | also awesome and unrelated: http://tivac.com/images/backgrounds/AuroraBorealis.jpg |
| 22:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 22:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | not Shadowed |
| 22:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design |
| 22:29.17 | Gnarfoz | there is no international barrier, anyway, blizzard has european offices |
| 22:29.17 | mikma | "Set as background" |
| 22:29.17 | Gnarfoz | it's too small for my desktop, unfortunately :< |
| 22:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | awesome |
| 22:29.17 | mikma | i was getting tired of the man getting RGB -shots |
| 22:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | too small for mine as well |
| 22:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 22:29.17 | Gnarfoz | http://ace.pastey.net/65685 |
| 22:29.17 | mikma | just perfect for my laptop resolution :) |
| 22:29.19 | Gnarfoz | blah wrong channel |
| 22:29.19 | Shirik | eew |
| 22:29.19 | mikma | Gnarfoz: just point it to Thrae, he's everywhere |
| 22:29.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik just go look at my link |
| 22:29.20 | Gnarfoz | omnipresence? first sign of him being supernatural! |
| 22:29.20 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Again, this is fully irrelevant |
| 22:29.35 | sag_ich_nicht | not really |
| 22:29.35 | Shirik | and I am fully aware of what that is |
| 22:29.35 | Shirik | without going to the link |
| 22:29.35 | Shirik | Again, I'm not continuing this argument, it's pointless |
| 22:29.35 | sag_ich_nicht | fine |
| 22:29.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i know it's illegal in the united states, but it's not illegal here, and it's not about importing stolen goods either. unless you are talking about a server emulator written in the US then brought to europe |
| 22:29.35 | sag_ich_nicht | which is a completely different thing |
| 22:29.36 | sag_ich_nicht | because that _would_ be an illegal import |
| 22:30.07 | Gnarfoz | Cide: wtf? awesome ^^ |
| 22:31.24 | Shirik | rofl Cide |
| 22:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I tell the vendor price of an item? |
| 22:32.37 | sag_ich_nicht | or did you mean something else Shirik? because all i'm doing is trying to understand your point... you're free to have the opinion that it's illegal, but i'd like to understand why you think that |
| 22:32.43 | Kaydeethree | sbo; find a database |
| 22:32.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ScytheBlade1: with a huge friggin database |
| 22:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | GetItemInfo() doesn't seem to do it.. |
| 22:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 22:32.56 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: what part of "I'm not continuning this discussion" was unclear? |
| 22:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No API functions give me that? |
| 22:33.05 | zenzelezz | +/- typos |
| 22:33.05 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 22:33.08 | Kaydeethree | nope |
| 22:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really depressing |
| 22:33.15 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: i was just finishing the sentence i had already typed up. |
| 22:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So much for my addon then |
| 22:33.29 | Shirik | what's with that random frame at exactly 1:40? |
| 22:35.55 | Cide | wtf indeed, awesome indeed |
| 22:36.59 | zenzelezz | I need to figure out how to set up sound on my Linux box so I can start viewing youtube links :-| |
| 22:37.06 | zenzelezz | but I'm too lazy |
| 22:37.47 | Shirik | do you have the drivers and sound system installed? |
| 22:38.20 | zenzelezz | no clue about drivers really, though I think I compiled them with the kernel... should have ALSA |
| 22:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. It seems that Informant ships with a database of it's own |
| 22:40.10 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 22:40.10 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 22:40.43 | Shirik | I love how you have to log in like five million times to WoW to get the latest client |
| 22:40.49 | Shirik | why can't it just download everything at once |
| 22:40.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I'm on Slackware 11 if my version reply didn't say |
| 22:40.56 | Shirik | yeah it didn't :P |
| 22:41.13 | Shirik | all it told me was your kernel :( |
| 22:41.14 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYho56INKU < lol :D |
| 22:41.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:41.34 | Shirik | did you go search for theremin now? |
| 22:42.17 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty nub about various aspects of Linux; I just compile everything, so I think most of my software doesn't know what distro I'm on |
| 22:42.42 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:43.22 | Shirik | well while this new patch downloads I guess I'll go find my headset in the back of my truck >.> |
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| 22:53.33 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 22:53.39 | Shirik | so my guild has been killing farmers like mad |
| 22:53.43 | Shirik | this is what we get in response: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Flawless_Guild/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3195395 |
| 22:53.51 | Shirik | hm, you may not be able to read that now that I think about it :( |
| 22:55.00 | zenzelezz | I can make some guesses, but there are blanks to be filled in |
| 22:55.20 | Shirik | can you read it? |
| 22:55.28 | Shirik | I thought it would say that you have to log in |
| 22:55.42 | zenzelezz | loads for me |
| 22:55.50 | Shirik | oh yey :) |
| 22:56.24 | zenzelezz | is "acc" a farm guild? |
| 22:56.50 | Shirik | oh I guess I should clear that up |
| 22:56.56 | Shirik | that's not WoW, but I figured I'd post it anyway :P |
| 22:56.59 | Shirik | acc is a race |
| 22:57.36 | zenzelezz | I guess lure farming is also something specific to whichever game that is then |
| 22:58.02 | Shirik | just a zone :) |
| 22:58.08 | Shirik | lure's lot |
| 22:58.08 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 22:58.33 | Shirik | I just found it amusing the farmers switched to our race to chat with us |
| 22:58.36 | Shirik | then threatened us |
| 22:58.43 | Shirik | just makes me want to kill them more now haha |
| 22:59.17 | zenzelezz | I hear that's not unusual in WoW either :-p |
| 22:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik what game is that :O |
| 22:59.38 | Shirik | I've never had a farmer get mad enough to come over and yell at me :P |
| 22:59.42 | Shirik | RF Online |
| 22:59.46 | sag_ich_nicht | RF? |
| 22:59.47 | zenzelezz | in Anarchy Online you could communicate cross-faction, since you could even switch faction, made for some fun "chats" |
| 23:00.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i think preventing cross faction communication is kind of dumb, i liked the old system from the beta more :( |
| 23:00.35 | sag_ich_nicht | where you actually had to learn all the languages |
| 23:00.49 | Shirik | If you're curious enough, I should have some good screenshots of RF from when I was a GM :) I would just stand in the middle of huge battles invis and take screenshots at max quality |
| 23:00.55 | zenzelezz | I can understand it with the races being different; but would still be nice to be able to talk to them all |
| 23:01.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i remember playing my warlock and getting skillups for demonic when my imp talked in the beta |
| 23:01.07 | Shirik | but they're on my desktop not my laptop |
| 23:01.39 | sag_ich_nicht | the same things applied to Draconic etc. |
| 23:01.43 | sag_ich_nicht | wish they would bring it back :( |
| 23:01.58 | zenzelezz | I can't quite explain it, but there's something sad about seeing LHC all deserted again... it was so full of life between Naxxramas release and BC |
| 23:02.11 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 23:02.12 | sag_ich_nicht | LHC? |
| 23:02.17 | zenzelezz | Light's Hope Chapel |
| 23:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | aaah |
| 23:02.28 | sag_ich_nicht | hehehe |
| 23:02.33 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 23:02.44 | sag_ich_nicht | but i don't really miss the times of farming at tyr's hand. |
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| 23:03.27 | Shirik | psh, I do |
| 23:03.29 | Shirik | good pvp there |
| 23:04.13 | zenzelezz | if LHC was as it was before Naxxramas it wouldn't matter that it was deserted, but seeing all those NPCs standing arouind doing nothing... |
| 23:04.14 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 23:04.37 | Kaydeethree | you could say the same thing about cenarion hold |
| 23:04.52 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 23:05.01 | zenzelezz | by the way, why is the Earthen Ring NPC at Light's Hope neutral to me when the one in Outland (Shadowmoon?) is friendly? Unless I'm getting two similarly named ones confused |
| 23:05.17 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no earthen ring NPC at LHC |
| 23:05.24 | zenzelezz | Earth something |
| 23:05.25 | Kaydeethree | it's earthen circle iirc |
| 23:05.36 | zenzelezz | still think it was the same one in Outland |
| 23:05.46 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Here's an old video from a fight I set up a while back, but quality kinda sucks http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128452 |
| 23:05.49 | Kaydeethree | or emerald circle |
| 23:05.56 | Kaydeethree | but that's the camp in felwood, nvm |
| 23:06.20 | Gnarfoz | both are earthen ring |
| 23:06.23 | Gnarfoz | LHC + SMV |
| 23:06.29 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=earthen#z0z |
| 23:07.25 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz beat me to it, but http://www.wowwiki.com/Earthen_Ring also shows the same |
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| 23:15.58 | Shirik | ns identify I say! |
| 23:16.00 | Shirik | thank you! |
| 23:16.08 | Shirik | network here is as bad as my school's :( |
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| 23:16.47 | zenzelezz | now for the fun part, 300-375 herbalism... |
| 23:17.00 | Shirik | it's not bad |
| 23:17.15 | zenzelezz | nah, but it would've been easier if I'd done it while leveling =) |
| 23:17.20 | Shirik | true |
| 23:19.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik well that's nice |
| 23:19.34 | sag_ich_nicht | i go to bed now |
| 23:19.35 | Shirik | what is? |
| 23:19.39 | sag_ich_nicht | the video |
| 23:19.54 | Shirik | oh I didn't even think that went through before I DCed heh |
| 23:20.29 | sag_ich_nicht | it did |
| 23:20.30 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 23:20.31 | sag_ich_nicht | good night |
| 23:20.32 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
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| 23:40.14 | Shirik | 14(1911:3911:5214) 14(1115CIA-3214) thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r93 10/trunk/TinyTip/TinyTip.lua: TinyTip: Added yet another comment line for Gnarfoz. You see, you must give nil to let TinyTip use its default. |
| 23:40.14 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 23:40.19 | Shirik | Gnarfoz = owned |
| 23:40.47 | Mike-N-Go | I've heard about a new recipe vendor, would anyone know her name or location? |
| 23:40.48 | Shirik | <3 |
| 23:40.50 | zenzelezz | the hardest part about 300+ herbalism is I can't remember where the herbs grow :-| |
| 23:40.55 | Gnarfoz | don't see how setting something that's the default anyway breaks stuff |
| 23:40.59 | zenzelezz | Mike-N-Go: what recipe(s)? |
| 23:41.12 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Because nil is what its already set to, not an actual value. IE, the default for all values is nil. |
| 23:41.18 | Mike-N-Go | Buyable recipes, come in a patch or 2 ago. |
| 23:41.31 | Kaydeethree | trainers, halaa, cenarion hold |
| 23:41.36 | zenzelezz | let me rephrase... for which professions? |
| 23:41.36 | Kaydeethree | for alch recipes |
| 23:41.42 | Kaydeethree | cooking recipes are at toshley's |
| 23:42.10 | Gnarfoz | don't quite know if I grasp that, Thrae, but whatever :D |
| 23:42.19 | Mike-N-Go | For cooking, forgot that part. |
| 23:42.49 | zenzelezz | as Kay said, there were some added to Toshley's Station, and 2.1.2 added some to that woman in Lower City (as the patch notes said) |
| 23:43.22 | Mike-N-Go | Any recipe vendors that don't hate Horde that are new? |
| 23:43.42 | zenzelezz | Lower City doesn't hate horde |
| 23:44.01 | Mike-N-Go | Toshley does. |
| 23:44.11 | Kaydeethree | the horde version of those recipes were at the mok'nathal camp since BC release iirc |
| 23:45.14 | Mike-N-Go | I don't know exactly what I am looking for, I guess those buyable recipes for the Alliance are the quest counterparts for Horde, thanks for the insight. |
| 23:55.07 | Gnarfoz | >>> "asdf" or "asdf" |
| 23:55.08 | Cide | Gnarfoz: "asdf" |
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