| 00:00.11 | Polarina | But if I would use the frame.vuiMoney way, what should I change in the XML file? |
| 00:00.29 | Aella | You should be able to use what I have at http://wowi.pastey.net/56654... |
| 00:01.19 | Polarina | And CreateFrame("Frame", nil, frame, "ValuationUI_MoneyFrameTemplate")? |
| 00:01.44 | Aella | That creates a new money frame, for whatever tooltip you're at (whatever you pass as "frame") |
| 00:02.02 | Polarina | Should I do it at the OnLoad stage of the Addon? |
| 00:02.29 | Aella | As long as you can always get ahold of the proper money frame for the tooltip you're showing in ValuationUI_AddInfoToTooltip. |
| 00:02.53 | Polarina | With frame.vuiMoney of course, right? |
| 00:03.16 | Aella | Sure, that'd work. Or whatever you want to call it. |
| 00:03.36 | Aella | Like, GameTooltip.vuiMoney = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, frame, "ValuationUI_MoneyFrameTemplate") |
| 00:03.58 | Polarina | frame.ValuationUI_Tooltip :) |
| 00:04.05 | Aella | Why not? =P |
| 00:05.20 | Polarina | Or I could do the CreateFrame() thing inside ValuationUI_Hook() but check if it is nil prior to doing the CreateFrame thing. :) Would that work? |
| 00:05.37 | Aella | Yeah, that'd work indefinitely for any future tooltips you want to support, as well. |
| 00:06.03 | Polarina | Aella: Great, thank you very much. |
| 00:06.07 | Aella | Hope it works. =P |
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| 00:12.46 | Thunder_Child | damit, i cant find my bg button |
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| 00:39.19 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, is there a max limit of guildies being shown on cart? |
| 00:39.35 | ckknight | ...no |
| 00:40.08 | Thunder_Child | because i only see 3, and there are 23 of them |
| 00:40.09 | Thunder_Child | online |
| 00:40.17 | zenzelezz | that all have Cart? |
| 00:40.42 | Thunder_Child | oh..all have to have it? |
| 00:40.47 | Thunder_Child | blast and damnation |
| 00:49.22 | ckknight | yes, they all must have Cart |
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| 01:03.07 | |Jelly| | Hey Cog |
| 01:08.04 | Kaydeethree | oh what the hell? the 30% zonewide everyone gets hit for 6k move that mag does hit the MT for 21k... |
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| 01:19.06 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: zomg hael |
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| 01:41.41 | Mike-N-Go | ~dounogut |
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| 02:44.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm..should i remove clearfont before using clearfont 2? |
| 02:44.46 | mikma | err, stupid question. how can i create completely black frame with 0 transparency? Tooltips\UI-Tooltip-Background is semitransparent and can't be used with CreateFrame to do that :( |
| 02:44.58 | Shirik | so our MT got enfeebled |
| 02:45.00 | Shirik | that was fun |
| 02:45.06 | |Jelly| | woot |
| 02:45.18 | zenzelezz | <Texture setAllPoints="true"><Color r="0.0" g="0.0" b="0.0" a="1.0"/></Texture> |
| 02:45.28 | mikma | zenzelezz: with lua? |
| 02:45.32 | Shirik | Darkburn's all like "Shirik, why did I just get a message saying I have enfeeble?" |
| 02:45.33 | Thunder_Child | how is it that everyone decided to talk at the exact same time after the channel being so freakin dead |
| 02:45.36 | zenzelezz | no clue about Lua |
| 02:46.21 | mikma | oh, found a nice texture that does the trick |
| 02:46.32 | mikma | Interface\\Tooltips\\Nameplate-Glow |
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| 02:47.08 | Thunder_Child | and thats another thing, is there a diff between "\" and "\\", because they both seem to work for me |
| 02:47.17 | Legorol | mikma: myTexture=frame:CreateTexture(); myTexture:SetTexture(0,0,0) |
| 02:47.18 | zenzelezz | \ = Lua |
| 02:47.23 | zenzelezz | * \\ = Lua |
| 02:47.34 | Legorol | myTexture:SetAllPoints(true) |
| 02:47.43 | zenzelezz | single \ = XML |
| 02:47.43 | Thunder_Child | but they both work zenzelezz |
| 02:47.50 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Only in certain circumstances |
| 02:47.56 | Shirik | for example |
| 02:47.56 | mikma | so, I'm making a SuperRoleplayer addon :D |
| 02:47.58 | Shirik | \U means nothing |
| 02:48.01 | Shirik | therefore \\U == \U |
| 02:48.04 | Shirik | however |
| 02:48.06 | Thunder_Child | err..for textures |
| 02:48.06 | Shirik | \r does mean something |
| 02:48.07 | zenzelezz | try \Tooltip |
| 02:48.10 | Shirik | \\r is not \r |
| 02:48.12 | mikma | if you get feared/something, your WorldFrame will blackout |
| 02:48.54 | |Jelly| | no thanks |
| 02:49.07 | Thunder_Child | well i was refering to texture pathing |
| 02:49.23 | Thunder_Child | my comment was following mikma's path |
| 02:49.29 | zenzelezz | again, it's not the same |
| 02:49.46 | Thrae | Hmmm, would running WoW on a 64-bit OS with 64-bit drivers get much of an improvement? |
| 02:49.55 | Aella | 64-bit drivers for what? |
| 02:49.57 | zenzelezz | twice as many bits |
| 02:50.20 | Thrae | Aella: All applicable hardware, of course. |
| 02:51.06 | Aella | There is no 64-bit compiled version of WoW, so of course you'd only get the incidental benefits... I don't believe any would make a noticeable difference. |
| 02:51.22 | Thrae | Aella: Right, as I thought. |
| 02:51.56 | Aella | lua> "\U" |
| 02:51.56 | cladhaire | Aella: luabot is not enabled. |
| 02:52.23 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten: Ping |
| 02:53.12 | Kaelten | hi |
| 02:53.32 | Thunder_Child | is there a non login place i can submit WAU errors to? |
| 02:53.59 | Thunder_Child | i dont feel like creating an account with SF.net right now |
| 02:54.15 | Kaelten | 1.8 is going to be replaced by 2 which has a complete rewrite done to it |
| 02:54.30 | Kaelten | but opther that wowace's forums there is not much of aplace. |
| 02:55.00 | Thunder_Child | meh, ok, thanks |
| 02:55.37 | Thunder_Child | is there an eta on 2.0? |
| 02:58.23 | Kaelten | beta's due out within a few weeks |
| 02:58.31 | Thunder_Child | cool, thanks |
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| 03:30.35 | IRCCRICKET1 | wish i had beta |
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| 03:43.03 | Guillotine | woohoo :D I have now tanked Kara all the way up and through prince :D We just downed him for the first itme |
| 03:45.53 | |Jelly| | grats! |
| 03:49.18 | zenzelezz | good job |
| 03:49.21 | Shirik | soooo |
| 03:49.24 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:49.27 | Shirik | Illhoof without warlock |
| 03:49.28 | Shirik | sucks |
| 03:49.29 | Shirik | seriously |
| 03:49.42 | Shirik | I have never had to call out so much crap on vent in my life |
| 03:50.05 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:50.51 | batrick_ | does anyone understand how to save the stack when an error is encountered? |
| 03:50.58 | batrick_ | I can't find anything on it : / |
| 03:51.05 | batrick_ | save or print* |
| 04:04.28 | IRCCRICKET1 | hey do any1 know how to setup a vent server? |
| 04:04.55 | Pac | can any1 help me |
| 04:05.25 | batrick | ask your question |
| 04:05.25 | clad|sleep | 8-Ball says: "Sure" |
| 04:05.28 | batrick | don't ask for help |
| 04:06.07 | Pac | any1 know how to setup a vent server? |
| 04:06.47 | batrick | I'm pretty sure it's well documented? |
| 04:07.40 | Pac | iv tryed but cant seem to get it to work |
| 04:11.15 | zenzelezz | heh, Nihilum took Archimonde too? Those guys are on fire |
| 04:12.52 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: ROFL! |
| 04:14.24 | zenzelezz | you sure have a weird way of coming back from long AFKs just to laught at people |
| 04:14.29 | zenzelezz | *laugh |
| 04:14.45 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 04:15.16 | Kaydeethree | woohoo. tidewalker down |
| 04:15.34 | Kaydeethree | horrible, horrible kill. fear kiting the locks at the end because all three of us mages were dead |
| 04:15.34 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 04:17.06 | zenzelezz | heh, great mod name there mikma |
| 04:17.06 | Cairenn|afk | read the description! you'll know why I laughed |
| 04:17.14 | Shirik | hai Cairenn|afk |
| 04:17.21 | mikma | :D |
| 04:17.22 | Cairenn|afk | hi hi :) |
| 04:17.23 | Thrae | The screenshot makes me laugh the most ;) |
| 04:17.33 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 04:17.36 | Shirik | awesome mod |
| 04:17.38 | mikma | the name was told to me by Wobin |
| 04:17.43 | zenzelezz | that actually reminds me of what I always heard about the 12.6 Anarchy Online patch... when mobs became insanely hard and kept telling players to "Take it easy" |
| 04:17.49 | Shirik | reference to hitchhiker's gude? |
| 04:17.51 | Shirik | guide* |
| 04:17.55 | mikma | yeap |
| 04:18.13 | batrick | mikma |
| 04:18.17 | batrick | that is the greatest mod ever |
| 04:18.18 | Shirik | that is awesome. |
| 04:18.20 | Shirik | it is. |
| 04:18.29 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.59 | mikma | well all credits are pointed to wobin when he comes online ;) I was gonna name it SuperRoleplayer but he thought that one is better |
| 04:19.28 | zenzelezz | "better" I don't know, but certainly cooler |
| 04:20.02 | zenzelezz | if I ever release any mods I'll name them Geoffrey |
| 04:23.28 | mikma | too bad Sap and such skills require a great amount of work to enter in that addon :( |
| 04:23.31 | Shirik | I'm not creative with addon names :( |
| 04:23.47 | mikma | it doesn't fire PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST |
| 04:24.30 | mikma | Blind, Sap .. |
| 04:26.54 | batrick | nor does stun does it? |
| 04:27.04 | batrick | pretty crappy qq |
| 04:27.38 | mikma | hmm, gotta make a list of all those skills that would require the same effect |
| 04:27.58 | batrick | lol |
| 04:28.04 | zenzelezz | would be a large list |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | polymorph, sap, banish, freezing trap effect |
| 04:28.40 | Shirik | those are the important ones |
| 04:28.48 | mikma | most of those are handled by the event |
| 04:28.55 | mikma | but some skills aren't. |
| 04:28.58 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:29.11 | mikma | and freezing trap.. well, you're a block of ice, you can see but can't do anything :D |
| 04:29.23 | Shirik | but you're in danger! |
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| 04:29.43 | mikma | how can you be in danger, you're a block of ice! |
| 04:29.47 | zenzelezz | mikma: freezing trap = the frame gets 0, 0, 0.75, 0.75 color |
| 04:30.20 | mikma | semitransparent blueish |
| 04:30.26 | zenzelezz | that's what I said |
| 04:30.30 | mikma | like 40% visibility |
| 04:30.40 | zenzelezz | 40%? You kids these days |
| 04:30.51 | zenzelezz | when I was young we had 15% visibility at best |
| 04:30.54 | mikma | that would require some cool texture to hit on too :D |
| 04:31.04 | mikma | ice and stuff |
| 04:31.59 | mikma | there, did free up the patch/new version upload hehe |
| 04:38.10 | Kaydeethree | hahah |
| 04:38.18 | Thunder_Child | wtb tab completion for prat |
| 04:38.25 | Kaydeethree | we had to run back to morogrim after clearing the first 5 trash packs not controlled by him after hydross |
| 04:40.01 | zenzelezz | I don't think I get it |
| 04:42.38 | Kaydeethree | no one survived on the kill, all of the druids used their brezes during the fight |
| 04:42.43 | Kaydeethree | at least he didn't despawn when we got back |
| 04:44.25 | zenzelezz | I'm still steamed about the stupid infernals at Prince Malchezaar... tonight they all landed right on top of us all the time, every single try |
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| 04:51.51 | Kaydeethree | hate that fight |
| 04:51.56 | Kaydeethree | randomness sucks |
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| 04:52.39 | Thunder_Child | L2Random.Win |
| 04:53.37 | jediarchives11 | would anyone here be able to answer an easy addon programming question? |
| 04:54.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:54.26 | jediarchives11 | i'm trying to register a slash command, and i'm following the example at http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command but i can't get it to work |
| 04:54.28 | Shirik | and I just did |
| 04:54.47 | Shirik | that works perfectly |
| 04:54.53 | Shirik | it not working implies that you did something wrong |
| 04:55.06 | jediarchives11 | can you look at my code then? |
| 04:55.12 | Shirik | of course |
| 04:55.13 | jediarchives11 | do i put it in the wowi.pastey.net thing? |
| 04:55.15 | Shirik | but you have to show it to me first |
| 04:55.16 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:55.21 | jediarchives11 | k one sec |
| 04:56.18 | jediarchives11 | http://wowi.pastey.net/56659 |
| 04:56.30 | jediarchives11 | that's just the lua |
| 04:56.49 | jediarchives11 | i know the xml is correctly directing it to the lua because it shows the frame on load |
| 04:57.00 | Shirik | I suggest |
| 04:57.07 | Shirik | in RaidReady_SlashCommand |
| 04:57.24 | Shirik | you put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Got: "..tostring(msg)) |
| 04:57.28 | Shirik | to see what it's getting |
| 04:57.34 | Shirik | p.s. iirc it will never get nil |
| 04:57.46 | jediarchives11 | ok |
| 04:57.49 | batrick | jediarchives11, you can just use if not msg then ... end |
| 04:57.54 | batrick | nil is false |
| 04:58.10 | batrick | for if statements* |
| 04:58.45 | jediarchives11 | ok, although when I type /rr it comes up with the standard WoW response to unknown slash commands |
| 04:59.00 | jediarchives11 | so I think the problem is before the function |
| 04:59.02 | jediarchives11 | is that correct? |
| 04:59.24 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:59.26 | Shirik | yes that is correct |
| 04:59.52 | jediarchives11 | that's the part that i don't really see what i'm doing wrong |
| 04:59.53 | Shirik | of course |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | because |
| 05:00.03 | Shirik | let me see your XML |
| 05:00.06 | Shirik | I bet I know what it is |
| 05:00.09 | Shirik | and your TOC |
| 05:00.14 | batrick | jediarchives11, |
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| 05:00.21 | batrick | you don't need to put that stuff in a load function |
| 05:00.22 | Shirik | if my guess is correct |
| 05:00.26 | batrick | just put it at the end of your chunk |
| 05:00.33 | batrick | that is to say, at the end of your lua file |
| 05:00.38 | Shirik | your function does not exist at the time you are defining the slash command |
| 05:00.50 | batrick | shouldn't matter shirik |
| 05:01.01 | Shirik | if his function does not exist |
| 05:01.08 | Shirik | SLASH_CMD_LIST["RAID_READY"] = nil |
| 05:01.24 | batrick | yes but his lua file is already loaded |
| 05:01.28 | batrick | when onload is called |
| 05:01.30 | Shirik | not necessarily |
| 05:01.34 | Shirik | that's what I wanted to check ;) |
| 05:01.42 | Shirik | and why I asked for the XML/TOC |
| 05:01.46 | batrick | don't see how it couldn't be the case |
| 05:02.01 | Shirik | if he loads the frame before the lua file |
| 05:02.13 | Shirik | in which case, for that matter, the OnLoad function wouldn't exist |
| 05:02.18 | Shirik | so yeah that can't be it |
| 05:02.43 | jediarchives11 | ok i updated the same thing with the toc, then the xml, then the lua |
| 05:03.32 | batrick | jediarchives11, do you know that your load function is being called? |
| 05:04.02 | Shirik | it isn't |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik | because you never load your lua file |
| 05:04.13 | Shirik | pick one of |
| 05:04.21 | Shirik | put RaidReady.lua before RaidReady.xml in your TOC |
| 05:04.25 | jediarchives11 | oh wow |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | or put <Scripts file="RaidReady.lua" /> in your XML |
| 05:04.40 | jediarchives11 | i'm really sorry that i just took up your time like that |
| 05:04.46 | batrick | it's fine |
| 05:04.47 | Shirik | common mistake :) |
| 05:05.14 | jediarchives11 | thanks for the advice about the slash command function too |
| 05:05.21 | batrick | np |
| 05:05.27 | batrick | everything is true except false and nil |
| 05:05.32 | batrick | just so you know |
| 05:05.51 | jediarchives11 | do i even need the nil, if i just want /rr to hide the window? |
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| 05:06.13 | batrick | you don't need the if statement at all if thats all you want the function to do |
| 05:06.31 | Shirik | concurrently |
| 05:06.42 | jediarchives11 | so i can just do function RaidReady_SlashCommand() RaidReadyMain:Hide(); end |
| 05:06.44 | Shirik | you have way too many globals :P |
| 05:06.56 | batrick | what you may prefer is: SlashCmdList["RAIDREADY"] = function() RaidReadyMain:Hide() end; |
| 05:07.22 | jediarchives11 | well i'm really new to writing addons, so i'm just trying to play around |
| 05:07.36 | batrick | we strongly suggest you read pil |
| 05:07.37 | zenzelezz | that's the best way to learn |
| 05:07.43 | jediarchives11 | pil? |
| 05:07.46 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 05:07.50 | purl | somebody said pil was Programming in Lua. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in hardcover and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:08.02 | |Jelly| | jediarchives11: Buy cladhare's book. |
| 05:08.17 | batrick | clad's book isnt' out? |
| 05:08.26 | |Jelly| | It's in my hand.. |
| 05:08.36 | batrick | o :o |
| 05:08.53 | batrick | well regardless |
| 05:08.55 | jediarchives11 | but that doesn't cover the WoW part of writing addons, right? |
| 05:08.55 | batrick | he should read pil |
| 05:09.05 | batrick | and most things he needs to know are either in pil or on wowwiki |
| 05:09.08 | Cairenn|afk | it covers some of it |
| 05:09.21 | Shirik | purl, hackingwow is <reply> "Hacking World of Warcraft" is a book by Daniel Gilbert and James Whitehead (authors of Atlas and Clique), covering all aspects of addons from what you need, what you can do, and the basics on how to write macros and addons |
| 05:09.23 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 05:09.55 | batrick | that's clad's book? |
| 05:09.58 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:10.02 | batrick | o... |
| 05:10.14 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10302 |
| 05:10.24 | Cairenn|afk | there's the info on it |
| 05:10.24 | Shirik | how dare you ignore a post from Cairenn|afk! |
| 05:10.38 | batrick | O.o |
| 05:11.12 | jediarchives11 | i'll have to look at that hacking wow book, and pil |
| 05:11.14 | jediarchives11 | thanks again |
| 05:11.18 | batrick | np |
| 05:12.32 | batrick | i <3 writing addons while dutifully watching snowfall gy |
| 05:12.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:16.12 | Shirik | sooo |
| 05:16.19 | Shirik | accidentally writing RDX = nil in one of the modules |
| 05:16.24 | Shirik | definitely causes major issues |
| 05:16.32 | Kaydeethree | somehow I'd think so |
| 05:18.20 | batrick | no wai! |
| 05:18.26 | Shirik | ya rly |
| 05:18.31 | batrick | it's fast cleanup tho |
| 05:18.33 | batrick | >.> |
| 05:18.57 | batrick | lua> ru there? |
| 05:18.57 | clad|sleep | batrick: luabot is not enabled. |
| 05:19.02 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | batrick: yes! |
| 05:19.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh hey look |
| 05:19.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | av's queue time is down to 23 mins |
| 05:19.39 | Shirik | batrick: I am the new version of Luabot, v-1, which has increased latency but also responds to english and proposes code changes! |
| 05:21.44 | batrick | lua> hi? |
| 05:21.44 | clad|sleep | batrick: luabot is not enabled. |
| 05:21.52 | batrick | huh... |
| 05:21.57 | Shirik | batrick: hi! |
| 05:22.01 | batrick | wat r u talkin about shirik! |
| 05:22.10 | batrick | that was so slow |
| 05:22.12 | batrick | you fail |
| 05:22.13 | Shirik | batrick: Sorry, I could not understand that as english |
| 05:22.23 | Shirik | batrick: Correct, I have intentionally increased latency to allow for corrections |
| 05:22.31 | batrick | ... |
| 05:22.36 | batrick | Shirik you're scaring me |
| 05:22.46 | Shirik | batrick: I have no emotions, and do not intend to cause harm |
| 05:22.55 | batrick | AHHHHH |
| 05:23.11 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:23.11 | purl | teaches Shirik the basics, including how to RTM |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | purl: Sorry, I don't understand "RTM" |
| 05:23.26 | Thunder_Child | dmait purl, thats RT*F*M |
| 05:23.39 | Thunder_Child | s/dmait/damit/ |
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| 05:25.50 | batrick | is it gone? |
| 05:26.01 | Shirik | batrick: Is what gone? |
| 05:26.12 | batrick | I hate you |
| 05:26.27 | batrick | function while true do x = { } end |
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| 05:26.30 | batrick | ugh |
| 05:26.46 | batrick | while true do x = { } end |
| 05:26.50 | batrick | doo it! |
| 05:27.34 | Shirik | batrick: I gave up while attempting to execute your statement. Try using a loop with a condition not equal to "true" |
| 05:27.45 | batrick | i hate you |
| 05:28.05 | Shirik | batrick: I have no emotions, and do not intend to cause harm |
| 05:28.16 | batrick | x = { } while x do x = "OVER 9000" end |
| 05:29.21 | batrick | i think it's gone |
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| 05:29.25 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.33 | Shirik | batrick: I gave up while attempting to execute your statement. Try using a loop where the condition does not get set to a constant value. |
| 05:30.46 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.05 | batrick | x = { } y = { } while x or y do x = "bye" end |
| 05:31.25 | batrick | shirik |
| 05:31.30 | batrick | you need to get a static bot |
| 05:31.35 | batrick | that doesn't try to think |
| 05:31.58 | Shirik | batrick: How does one define thought? |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | ok I'll stop ^^ |
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| 05:34.15 | Shirik | bah |
| 05:34.16 | Shirik | I died |
| 05:34.21 | Shirik | thanks batrick for distracting me |
| 05:34.26 | batrick | you probably typed all that out anyway |
| 05:34.28 | batrick | your welcome |
| 05:34.33 | batrick | s/your/you're |
| 05:34.41 | batrick | gogo purl! |
| 05:34.49 | zenzelezz | you missed the ending / |
| 05:34.54 | batrick | ugh |
| 05:34.56 | batrick | s/your/you're/ |
| 05:34.58 | Shirik | pebkac |
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| 05:35.07 | Tem | Do a barrel roll! |
| 05:35.09 | zenzelezz | there's no "your" in "ugh" |
| 05:35.22 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.11 | Thunder_Child | pfft, it's always PEBKAC |
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| 05:51.42 | Nom- | Woot, i can get employee pricing from apple now :D |
| 05:51.54 | Nom- | <3 this company :D |
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| 06:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and yet it's probably still more expensive than a comparable windows system from, say, dell or alienware : |
| 06:20.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
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| 06:31.20 | Terrifion | cladhaire is my God. I now worship her, I even have a shrine. |
| 06:31.43 | Terrifion | though since I don't know what she looks like, I just have a picture of her avatar. |
| 06:32.01 | |Jelly| | he |
| 06:32.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought she was a he |
| 06:32.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 06:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn you people and your confusing internet personalities |
| 06:33.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a roommate once that RP'd a female character in some gundam related chat-based RPG |
| 06:33.17 | Shirik | I love RPing females |
| 06:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, everyone thought he was a female and he used that to his advantage for business deals and stuff |
| 06:33.24 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 06:33.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | he probably has about 50 sweaty nerds hitting on him in said chat room |
| 06:33.57 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:34.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think i could take that |
| 06:34.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i let everyone know when i'm on a chick character that i'm a dude as soon as things look like they're heading in that direction |
| 06:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have some standards, now |
| 06:34.54 | Shirik | why! |
| 06:34.56 | Shirik | that's the funnest part! |
| 06:34.57 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:35.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd probably draw furry porn for people if i was paid sufficiently |
| 06:35.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't think i could accept being hit on by a bunch of sweaty nerds |
| 06:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | even for a lot of gold |
| 06:37.11 | Terrifion | I'll still worship cladhaire if she is a he. |
| 06:37.20 | Shirik | yup |
| 06:37.28 | Terrifion | her or his addons are what I love |
| 06:37.33 | Shirik | I'll go out with him/her too |
| 06:37.37 | Terrifion | clique, lightheaded, tomtom...omg |
| 06:37.39 | Terrifion | : D |
| 06:37.51 | Shirik | also |
| 06:37.54 | Shirik | I believe she is a he |
| 06:37.57 | Shirik | based on the authors of the book |
| 06:38.17 | Kimina | there |
| 06:38.23 | Terrifion | does anyone know how to make winrar shut up about buying it? or do I really have to buy it in order to do so? |
| 06:38.29 | Kimina | yes |
| 06:38.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 06:38.33 | Kimina | you have to buy it |
| 06:38.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah unless you want to break the law |
| 06:38.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 06:38.47 | Terrifion | stupid crybaby program |
| 06:38.55 | Terrifion | waaah buy me waaaah |
| 06:39.01 | Kimina | like I wrote into my programs when I use his APIs |
| 06:39.08 | Kimina | he wrote everything about it, and he needs a way to make money |
| 06:39.11 | Kimina | he deserves it |
| 06:39.15 | Kimina | because the RAR format is rather impressive |
| 06:39.30 | Terrifion | yeah |
| 06:39.32 | Terrifion | I'm just poor |
| 06:39.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | alternatively use 7zip |
| 06:39.34 | Terrifion | : ( |
| 06:39.34 | Kimina | he does give extraction APIs which is nice |
| 06:39.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's free |
| 06:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's slower than winrar at opening rars, but it does it with no nag screens |
| 06:40.31 | Kimina | I'm thinking about getting another wow account |
| 06:40.32 | Terrifion | 30 bucks? |
| 06:40.35 | Terrifion | I guess i'll help him out |
| 06:40.36 | Kimina | I need a way to test comms |
| 06:40.43 | Terrifion | however little 30 dollars is |
| 06:40.53 | Terrifion | its worth it though not to see that nag window |
| 06:41.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tempted to buy nod32 |
| 06:41.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll probably be the first piece of software i've bought since burning crusade |
| 06:41.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and before that, WoW |
| 06:41.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, for the pc at least |
| 06:42.16 | Terrifion | I don't buy much stuff, since I don't use much |
| 06:42.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i generally try to find a freeware solution if i can |
| 06:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but nod32 is just awesome |
| 06:43.09 | Terrifion | what is that, av? |
| 06:43.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 06:43.54 | Terrifion | I don't use the internet on this comp save for mIRC and wow |
| 06:43.57 | Terrifion | so I don't have anti virus here |
| 06:44.00 | Terrifion | other comp does though |
| 06:46.48 | Terrifion | does anyone elses heart jump a bit when you misspell your password but you didn't realize you did so you figure your account was stolen? |
| 06:46.57 | Terrifion | or do I love wow too much? |
| 06:47.17 | |Jelly| | considering how jacked up my password is, yeah |
| 06:47.37 | Terrifion | haha |
| 06:48.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's happened once or twice to me |
| 06:48.49 | Kimina | 02:47:11 ‹Terrifion› does anyone elses heart jump a bit when you misspell your password but you didn't realize you did so you figure your account was stolen? |
| 06:48.50 | Kimina | rofl |
| 06:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i keep leaving off a letter or something |
| 06:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | in tiredness |
| 06:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm all like |
| 06:49.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH GOD I'VE BEEN HACKED |
| 06:49.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | for like 10 seconds until i type it out slowly and it logs in |
| 06:50.25 | |Jelly| | i actually got keylogged like two weeks ago. |
| 06:50.32 | |Jelly| | was on the phone with blizzard within 2 minutes |
| 06:51.12 | |Jelly| | i was amazed at how fast my password was changed, honestly |
| 06:53.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use firefox, noscript, and nod32 sitting in the background looking for suspicious stuff |
| 06:53.50 | Kimina | I don't use jack |
| 06:53.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and adblock but that rarely applies |
| 06:53.54 | Kimina | if I get keylogged, it's my own damn fault |
| 06:54.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i get keylogged something horrible happened |
| 06:54.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, someone snuck into my house and plugged a hardware keylogger inline to my ps/2 port |
| 06:54.48 | Kimina | lol |
| 06:55.14 | Terrifion | yeah |
| 06:55.18 | Terrifion | it's my fault if I get keylogged too |
| 06:55.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | like this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/5a05/ |
| 06:56.23 | sylvanaar | I got keylogged, the thing wasnt caugt by my scanner for a week |
| 06:56.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone managed to get one of those installed in some classified computers in some government agency's offices |
| 06:56.26 | Kimina | that's awesome! |
| 06:56.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | by a 6 year old |
| 06:57.13 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 06:57.13 | Osagasu | The problem with those is that they're stupif |
| 06:57.16 | Osagasu | **stupid |
| 06:57.25 | Osagasu | They can detect ctrl c and ctrl v |
| 06:57.26 | Osagasu | but |
| 06:57.32 | Osagasu | now ahat you're copying |
| 06:57.35 | Osagasu | **not |
| 06:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hardware ones probably can't |
| 06:58.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the software ones can and will check the clipboard |
| 06:58.42 | Osagasu | I meant the keycatcher |
| 07:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh i can't find the news story |
| 07:00.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was some security firm the government hired |
| 07:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | a 6 year old managed to install a hardware keylogger to a classified government computer |
| 07:01.05 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: heh, you have similar to my setup, 'cept I'm also using privoxy with firefox (occasionally switching on Tor) |
| 07:01.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | same here, heh |
| 07:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use it for security, just to laugh at those who are more paranoid than i |
| 07:01.29 | bleeter | privoxy + noscript + adblock ftw |
| 07:01.48 | bleeter | I just use the combination to totally eradicate popups and ads |
| 07:02.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't need privoxy for that :p |
| 07:02.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | noscript + adblock get rid of 99.9% |
| 07:02.27 | bleeter | yeah, tho privoxy sits in front of those two |
| 07:02.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the rest i either have enabled on purpose, or it's just a banner ad picture that i can adblock away within seconds |
| 07:02.45 | bleeter | so it does take a li'l load off the browser's own process |
| 07:02.55 | bleeter | really, I should put it in front, or behind, squid |
| 07:03.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tor does have a huge huge huge huge chinese base though |
| 07:03.19 | bleeter | meh, anyways... hopefully last day of having resorted to windows ehre anyway |
| 07:03.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're using it to get past the "great firewall" |
| 07:03.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whatever |
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| 07:05.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty interesting seeing like an underground revolution forming in a heavily censored country |
| 07:15.45 | Kimina | is there a way to get a second wow account without buying the game? |
| 07:15.47 | Kimina | unlikely |
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| 07:18.07 | Corrodias | no |
| 07:18.20 | Shirik | really I should have rephrased that |
| 07:18.22 | Shirik | without buying a box |
| 07:18.29 | Shirik | but still I expect the same answer |
| 07:19.48 | Corrodias | the answer is, in the US and presumably also in europe, also no |
| 07:20.09 | Corrodias | you can upgrade the account to TBC without buying a TBC account, but they don't sell keys for original WoW outside the box |
| 07:20.23 | Shirik | I need a way to test :( |
| 07:21.06 | Corrodias | i'd love to move my hunter to another account -- i'd probably be happy to pay $30/mo for WoW -- but there's no way in hell i'm paying $85 up front to do it |
| 07:21.32 | Corrodias | until blizzard changes their minds about that, they're only going to get half as much from me as they could |
| 07:24.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm about to try to solo SM cathedral the hard way |
| 07:24.08 | Corrodias | naked? |
| 07:24.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | by pulling Mograine before clearing anything else. |
| 07:24.18 | Corrodias | as a druid? |
| 07:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 07:24.26 | |Jelly| | eh |
| 07:24.29 | Corrodias | i don't think you're going to make it |
| 07:24.30 | |Jelly| | happens all the time |
| 07:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | does it? |
| 07:24.44 | |Jelly| | on my server, it does |
| 07:24.53 | Corrodias | as a feral druid? seems unlikely |
| 07:24.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know i can't solo Strat anymore since the bear nerd |
| 07:24.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerf* |
| 07:25.17 | |Jelly| | Prot paladin has been with me running me the couple times I've been there. |
| 07:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | though i may be able to solo strat now with the armor buff |
| 07:25.39 | Corrodias | of what relevance is that, jelly? |
| 07:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | since i'm at like |
| 07:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 22500 armor or so |
| 07:26.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's probably above max |
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| 07:26.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | mitigation by armor for those mobs |
| 07:27.12 | |Jelly| | What relevance doesn't it have? I said it happened, he asked if it did. I don't recall you being involved. |
| 07:27.51 | Corrodias | if you're going to be pissy about it, i'd like to point out that going "with" a paladin is absolutely NOT solo, and thus has nothing to do with this conversation. |
| 07:28.11 | |Jelly| | Yeah. You're right. my level 27 rogue totally saved his ass. |
| 07:28.31 | Corrodias | ah, sarcasm. you become even more endearing. |
| 07:29.00 | Corrodias | furthermore, a paladin soloing something is quite different from a druid soloing it |
| 07:29.07 | Shirik | dolby-wowi_ are you floating around here? |
| 07:29.21 | Shirik | (send tell if you want to be secret) |
| 07:30.09 | |Jelly| | What's that have to do with anything? At the point I said what I said, I didn't know he was a druid. Are you just tired or do you enjoy being a random douche? |
| 07:31.24 | Corrodias | you came out with information about a paladin doing something. i asked you what the relevance was because i knew rabies was a druid. i figured you also knew because i said "as a druid?" before you spoke. |
| 07:31.30 | Corrodias | you got snippy about it first, not me |
| 07:31.53 | Shirik | now now kiddies let's not argue |
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| 07:32.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | roar |
| 07:32.09 | Corrodias | as if adults never disagree |
| 07:32.14 | |Jelly| | So what you're saying is you can be a douche but no one else can. Roger. |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | nope |
| 07:32.20 | Shirik | obviously we never disagree |
| 07:32.24 | Shirik | otherwise we wouldn't have elected bush |
| 07:32.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | did i miss some delicious drama |
| 07:32.51 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:33.03 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:33.07 | Shirik | I was going to respond with a witty statement |
| 07:33.13 | Shirik | but it was in bad taste :/ |
| 07:33.26 | |Jelly| | Might as well say it. lol |
| 07:34.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Set3JpJJ4w :O |
| 07:35.37 | |Jelly| | The Family Guy episode just went off. |
| 07:41.02 | SunTiger | mr_Rabies that was a good one. |
| 07:41.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i take zero credit for it, but yes i agree :p |
| 07:42.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear they're going to patch it out in 2.1 |
| 07:42.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:42.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.1.2 |
| 07:42.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean :O |
| 07:42.35 | SunTiger | damn bastards |
| 07:43.33 | Shirik | I love watching CPU profiling |
| 07:43.46 | Shirik | KTM, 2%, Lootlink, 1.5% ........ RDX... 0.09% |
| 07:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | ktm eats resources so bad |
| 07:44.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:44.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | even out of combat with the window hidden |
| 07:44.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's using 3% and is eating more cpu time than Ace2 with standalonelibs |
| 07:45.06 | Elkano | Shirik, Lootlink? there are still people using it? ;) |
| 07:45.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use linkerator |
| 07:45.36 | Shirik | it works for me :) |
| 07:45.45 | Elkano | well, I coded my own addon 18 month ago ^^ |
| 07:45.47 | Shirik | I like the fact that I can go [Item Name] and it immediately appears in my chat |
| 07:45.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | Linkerator has that functionality, shirik |
| 07:46.15 | |Jelly| | I like that Shirik has KTM installed. |
| 07:46.22 | Shirik | I have to :( |
| 07:46.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking about unintalling it again |
| 07:46.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just |
| 07:46.38 | |Jelly| | I bet you're a closet SWS user too |
| 07:46.40 | Guillotine | Has anybody compared KTM to Threat-1.0 with CPU profiling? |
| 07:46.42 | Elkano | why? tried Threat, yet? |
| 07:46.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | wayyyy too bloated |
| 07:46.53 | Elkano | Guillotine, it can only be better ;) |
| 07:46.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i dunno how to get threat to work :O |
| 07:47.07 | Guillotine | Elkano: hehe. ya, but my question is how much better :P |
| 07:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can get it working with pitbull |
| 07:47.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but...i don't really want it in my unitframes |
| 07:47.26 | Elkano | well, profiling ace2 addons is hard because of the shared libs |
| 07:47.32 | Guillotine | The problem is that Omen accepts KTM stuff, but won't send it. And I'm our MT, so they need my bar the most :/ |
| 07:47.46 | Elkano | Mr_Rabies, I have it working with Omen, Violation and Aloft |
| 07:47.46 | Guillotine | and most of my guild is too stupid to install Omen |
| 07:47.56 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Nope |
| 07:47.59 | Guillotine | Elkano: true |
| 07:48.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is omen? :o |
| 07:48.07 | Shirik | I use RDXM_BattleRecorder for my statistics :) |
| 07:48.07 | |Jelly| | Shirik: All lies |
| 07:48.23 | Guillotine | Mr_Rabies2: Threat is just a library. Omen is basically what makes Threat data visible |
| 07:48.25 | Elkano | Omen is the man UI developed for Threat |
| 07:48.28 | Guillotine | well, oneof the addons that can do it |
| 07:48.36 | Guillotine | PitBull can as well iirc |
| 07:48.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahh, thats what i thought |
| 07:48.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | that it was just a library |
| 07:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | so omen's a frontend for threat |
| 07:48.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | nifty |
| 07:49.02 | Elkano | well, but Pitbulls UI isn't that informative... but try Aloft ^^ hreat bars over the mobs head |
| 07:49.03 | Guillotine | it handles all the communicaction and stuff as well iirc |
| 07:49.40 | Shirik | 03:49:53 ‹|Jelly|› no idea what SVN is |
| 07:49.44 | Shirik | let us all laugh at |Jelly| |
| 07:50.03 | Elkano | ~laught |Jelly| |
| 07:50.18 | Shirik | <3 |
| 07:50.36 | Shirik | Seriously though, for |Jelly| and anyone else who may not know (those who aren't professional coders rarely are familiar with the term): |
| 07:50.52 | Guillotine | Some Vain Noob |
| 07:50.56 | Shirik | SVN is a version control system. In its most basic state, it allows multiple developers to coordinate changes to code and other developments |
| 07:51.11 | Shirik | it allows developers to work on the same files without fear of overwriting each other, etc. |
| 07:51.23 | Guillotine | sub version network, isn't it? Sub versioning somethinga t least |
| 07:51.27 | Shirik | It gives each version of the code a "revision number" and allows you to revert at any time |
| 07:51.37 | Elkano | (still doesn't mean that a merge will go wizh no problems ^^) |
| 07:51.45 | Shirik | yes, but it means that merges are possible :P |
| 07:51.59 | Shirik | But more often, many people use SVN so that they can download the absolute latest version |
| 07:52.07 | Shirik | since that is what the developers commit to |
| 07:52.15 | Shirik | anyone who connects to it can get the absolute latest revision |
| 07:52.32 | Shirik | |Jelly|: For my server, svn://jinked.com/RDX.Cid |
| 07:52.47 | Guillotine | does Cid even work on RDX.Cid anymore? |
| 07:52.50 | Shirik | An easy-to-use client would be TortoiseSVN, http://tortoisesvn.sourceforge.net |
| 07:52.52 | Guillotine | or is it just Shirik now? |
| 07:53.00 | Guillotine | (sorry, off topic question) |
| 07:53.04 | Shirik | Cid is in the middle of moving and all that other stuff |
| 07:53.10 | Guillotine | ah |
| 07:53.12 | Shirik | he hasn't worked on it in a while but I understand that he intends to come back |
| 07:53.54 | Guillotine | so... when I enter an arena now, I can see the specs of all my opponents XD |
| 07:53.58 | Guillotine | the file is huge now though |
| 07:54.17 | Guillotine | almost 5 megs |
| 07:54.57 | Elkano | Shirik, wrt Lootlink, have a look at my ItemDB if you want :) (PS: GUI is still the same as in the screens on the ui pages but the download at files.wowace.com is a lot more up2date) |
| 07:55.10 | Guillotine | eventually I'll optimize it and compress the data |
| 07:55.49 | Shirik | I was just telling someone the two rules of IRC |
| 07:55.49 | Shirik | would you agree with this one? |
| 07:55.49 | Shirik | 03:55:05 ‹Shirik› (2) never, ever, take anyone seriously, especially someone who says they're a 16 year old female virgin |
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| 07:55.49 | Guillotine | but I think my next project will be in-game lolcode editor. So you can program simple addons in-game via lolcode |
| 07:55.54 | Guillotine | Shirik: Dare I ask what 1 was? |
| 07:55.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:56.25 | Elkano | there are no girls on irc, these are all boys. and there are especialy no female kids on irc, these are all FBI agents |
| 07:56.51 | Guillotine | zomg. Cairenn is an FBI agent :0 I knew it! |
| 07:56.56 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:56.57 | Guillotine | oh wait |
| 07:57.04 | Guillotine | no, according to that definition Cairenn is a guy |
| 07:57.10 | sylvanaar | i tried to write an in-game tab complete for writing macros |
| 07:57.12 | Guillotine | if Cairenn was a kid she would be an FBI agent |
| 07:57.47 | Guillotine | Sylvanaar: I would think that wouldn't be too hard if you just take the completions from the basic slash commands and spells in the spellbook |
| 07:57.50 | Guillotine | and I suppose items |
| 07:57.57 | sylvanaar | yeah, but |
| 07:58.01 | sylvanaar | its all tainted |
| 07:58.04 | Elkano | well, did you ever see a picture of Cairenn? see... ;) |
| 07:58.12 | Shirik | I have a poster of her on my wall |
| 07:58.28 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 07:58.33 | Guillotine | Sylvanaar: don't actually edit the macro. Just edit the textbox |
| 07:58.37 | Guillotine | Elkano: actually, yes |
| 07:58.40 | Guillotine | from last blizzcon |
| 07:58.56 | Guillotine | Sylvanaar: you can edit the textbox while out of combat |
| 07:59.18 | sylvanaar | the chat edit box? or the macro one? |
| 07:59.47 | sylvanaar | the chat edit box is where its useful |
| 08:00.13 | Guillotine | the macro one |
| 08:00.15 | Guillotine | oh, I see |
| 08:00.15 | Elkano | ok, so using contra-position it's proven that she isn't a "girl on irc" |
| 08:00.21 | Guillotine | ya, that would taint it. nm |
| 08:00.30 | sylvanaar | yeah lol, its pretty weak |
| 08:03.12 | Guillotine | I really should be working |
| 08:03.14 | Guillotine | DAMN YOU IRC |
| 08:03.14 | sylvanaar | i actually had something working, I think i had it save the macro |
| 08:06.38 | Guillotine | I really wish you could script your pet's AI using lua |
| 08:06.44 | Guillotine | now that would be cool |
| 08:07.09 | Guillotine | it would obviously have to have its own environment with only certain functions available, but... |
| 08:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl corr |
| 08:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're right |
| 08:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | the healers heal him too fast for me to kill him |
| 08:14.16 | Guillotine | ? |
| 08:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mograine |
| 08:15.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | without pulling anything else in sm cath |
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| 08:18.15 | Guillotine | ah |
| 08:18.55 | Guillotine | ya, the only way I've done it has been by pulling that room |
| 08:19.02 | Guillotine | (also as a feral druid) |
| 08:19.21 | Guillotine | though you can do several rows at a time if well geared |
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| 08:29.24 | Guillotine | lol. <3 this new ad. "THIS IS NOT A JOKE - YOU ARE THE 10,000TH VISITOR" |
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| 08:33.01 | Shirik | it's not a joke, it's just a crappy advertisement |
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| 08:40.27 | Shirik | thoughts: Can I safely temporarily replace the SetText() function on a frame? |
| 08:40.31 | Shirik | and then restore the old one later? |
| 08:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just thought of something |
| 08:42.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | why doesn't the ace patcher use the svn to patch itself instead of having to go to sourceforge to update it every time :O |
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| 08:46.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | all this time with no ads has really messed with me though |
| 08:46.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not as resistant to them anymore |
| 08:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so when i use someone else's computer and see ads they distract me |
| 08:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | blah, both omen and aloft are still command line only? :[ |
| 08:49.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | aha! i found a gui for aloft |
| 08:50.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess i just had to scroll through the paragraph of command line to get one :p |
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| 08:58.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow, i'm dumb, they have fubar icons |
| 08:59.27 | Guillotine | DeuceCommander ftw |
| 09:01.03 | Shirik | 04:43:07 ‹Mr_Rabies2› why doesn't the ace patcher use the svn to patch itself instead of having to go to sourceforge to update it every time :O |
| 09:01.09 | Shirik | doesn't it use the SVN? |
| 09:01.11 | Shirik | I thought it did |
| 09:01.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 09:01.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 09:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | Oh hey there's an update |
| 09:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | want to update? |
| 09:01.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | [yes] |
| 09:01.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | *opens firefox to the sourceforge site* |
| 09:02.11 | Shirik | I used to think that it was a horrible idea to hook coroutine.resume() |
| 09:02.13 | Shirik | I am so glad I did |
| 09:02.24 | Shirik | even if just for debugging purposes |
| 09:02.27 | Shirik | ...e\AddOns\RDXM_BattleRecorder\RDXM_BattleRecorder.lua:156: Fatal error in coroutine: ...e\AddOns\RDXM_BattleRecorder\RDXM_BattleRecorder.lua:258: attempt to index field 'titleFrame' (a nil value) |
| 09:02.38 | Shirik | instead of getting spammed with "attempt to resume a dead coroutine" |
| 09:02.39 | Shirik | it's beautiful |
| 09:03.09 | Guillotine | wish there was a way to make individual threads in lua :( |
| 09:03.18 | Shirik | technically a coroutine is a "thread" |
| 09:03.25 | Shirik | type(coroutine.create(f)) == "thread" |
| 09:03.42 | Shirik | but you mean concurrent threads? |
| 09:03.58 | Guillotine | yes |
| 09:04.08 | Shirik | I'm very glad it's not possible, tbh |
| 09:04.12 | Shirik | think about WoW |
| 09:04.20 | Guillotine | what about it? |
| 09:04.20 | Shirik | how many addons, do you think, authors would have that poll 24/7 |
| 09:04.31 | Shirik | because they haven't the slightest idea what the hell they're doing |
| 09:04.50 | Guillotine | make it complicated or something :P Like how most beginning authors don't know about coroutines |
| 09:05.02 | Guillotine | well, I suppose thats not exactly complicated |
| 09:05.08 | Guillotine | but most people don't hear about it for a while for some reason |
| 09:05.40 | Shirik | yeah but most people won't use coroutines cause they don't know how to use them effectively |
| 09:05.44 | Shirik | and using a coroutine will do nothing for you |
| 09:05.56 | Shirik | on the other hand, people can spawn concurrent threads all they want even if they have no idea what they're doing |
| 09:06.02 | krka | coroutines are very useful for some things :) |
| 09:06.13 | krka | the best example that comes to mind for me is writing actor ai |
| 09:06.13 | Shirik | they are :) |
| 09:06.36 | Guillotine | then disable it in WoW. I just want it for my scripts :P |
| 09:07.19 | Thrae | Coroutines are indeed useful, however, most addons do not (or should not) require that much processing time. Some addons could benefit from them, but the majority probably won't. |
| 09:07.31 | krka | Guillotine: there should exist thread libs for lua |
| 09:07.54 | Shirik | my favorite part of coroutines |
| 09:07.55 | krka | Thrae: it's not about processing time |
| 09:08.02 | Shirik | is their simplicity: They provide inherent synchronization |
| 09:08.03 | krka | it's about structuring code more neatly |
| 09:08.20 | Shirik | Even though one of my modules does use a mutex but that's another story |
| 09:08.47 | Thrae | Eh, you shouldn't use something like coroutines just to "make your code look neater". Not with something as small as an addon. |
| 09:09.09 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 09:09.41 | Thrae | If you get to the level of CTRA, or BigWigs, then you can probably find a legitimate use for them, even if it is to make maintenance easier. |
| 09:09.58 | Guillotine | krka: no concurrent thread library I've found for lua |
| 09:09.59 | zenzelezz | those are still addons |
| 09:10.04 | krka | what else are you using coroutines for Thrae? |
| 09:10.11 | krka | Guillotine: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~diego/professional/luathread/reference.html |
| 09:10.19 | krka | just from a quick googling |
| 09:10.24 | krka | not lua 5.1 though |
| 09:10.25 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 09:10.27 | Guillotine | oh |
| 09:10.29 | Guillotine | thats why |
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| 09:11.01 | Thrae | krka: Who said I use coroutines? I use them in my own scripts on my server, but in an addon, no. |
| 09:11.20 | Thrae | I haven't found a use for them. |
| 09:11.23 | krka | why are you against using coroutines in simple addons? |
| 09:11.51 | Shirik | on another note |
| 09:11.52 | krka | they're great for stuff that resemble state machines |
| 09:11.57 | Shirik | does any blizzard code use coroutines? |
| 09:12.14 | Shirik | (i.e., do I have to worry about hard hooking coroutine.create?) |
| 09:12.27 | Shirik | and coroutine.resume |
| 09:12.27 | Kaso | "Blizzard has filed a federal lawsuit against the operators of Peons4hire, a popular gold-selling organization" -- gasp! |
| 09:12.28 | krka | Shirik: doubt it |
| 09:12.32 | Thrae | Because most simple addons do simple tasks. I never said there were not instances to use coroutines. However, I must disagree in any general notion they can "make code look cleaner". |
| 09:12.35 | Shirik | Kaso: Old news :P |
| 09:12.39 | Kaso | damn¡ |
| 09:13.01 | krka | Thrae: that's really all coroutines offer |
| 09:13.13 | krka | you could use ugly state machines as a replacement |
| 09:13.30 | Shirik | RDX makes 3 uses of coroutines: All of which are by no means "simple tasks." But both Thrae and krka are right |
| 09:13.53 | Shirik | (1) It is not a simple task, and thus it's done with a coroutine. (2) It could most definitely be done without a coroutine, but very ugly-ly |
| 09:14.03 | krka | that's like saying don't use for loops just because they make the code neater than while loops |
| 09:14.14 | krka | since that is _all_ a for loop does |
| 09:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | does anyone here use Aloft? |
| 09:14.39 | Thrae | krka: You could code an addon entirely in one function, on one line. Coroutines are made for some situations where they are granted. |
| 09:14.46 | Shirik | The Lua manual even shows that a for loop is just syntactic sugar for a while loop :) |
| 09:15.24 | Thrae | I think we're in agreement on this, so I don't know what this argument has turned into... |
| 09:15.31 | krka | you're saying nothing there: "coroutines are good in situations where coroutines are good" |
| 09:15.48 | Shirik | Coroutines are bad in situations where coroutines are bad. Discuss. |
| 09:15.57 | krka | agree |
| 09:16.02 | Shirik | how dare you agree! |
| 09:16.08 | krka | sorry, i disagree |
| 09:16.11 | Shirik | good man. |
| 09:16.12 | subbawt | what is a coroutine o_O |
| 09:16.17 | Shirik | coroutines = god. |
| 09:16.31 | subbawt | i don't know LUA, i'm just here to bitch about mods |
| 09:16.32 | Thrae | Perhaps what I was trying to illustrate was that coroutines can be misused. |
| 09:16.43 | Shirik | it's a way of splitting a task into multiple segments, essentially |
| 09:16.53 | Shirik | for example, let's allocate an array and initialize every element to 0 |
| 09:16.55 | krka | subbawt: it's called Lua |
| 09:17.02 | krka | it's an actual word |
| 09:17.07 | subbawt | okay |
| 09:17.14 | Shirik | function(t, n, e) for x = 1, n do t[x] = e; end |
| 09:17.15 | Shirik | right? |
| 09:17.20 | Shirik | well, what if n was 1000000000000000000 |
| 09:17.22 | Shirik | that would take forever |
| 09:17.24 | Thrae | Many things can be misused, but coroutines, like metatables, are something most authors do not fully grasp. |
| 09:17.34 | Shirik | so you make it a coroutine, and do, say, 1000 per call |
| 09:17.49 | Shirik | function(t, n, e) for x = 1, n do t[x] = e; if x % 1000 = 0 then coroutine.yield() end end end |
| 09:18.05 | Shirik | now what you do is create a coroutine from that function: co = coroutine.create(f) |
| 09:18.23 | Shirik | and call it: coroutine.resume(co, {}, 100000000000, 1) |
| 09:18.27 | Shirik | and keep resuming it |
| 09:18.31 | Shirik | coroutine.resume(c) |
| 09:18.32 | Shirik | coroutine.resume(co) |
| 09:18.35 | Shirik | until it's done |
| 09:18.45 | Shirik | this allows you to split up the task |
| 09:21.17 | Kaso | Whats the difference of .create and .wrap |
| 09:21.49 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap = function(f) local co = coroutine.create(f); return function(...) coroutine.resume(co, ...); end end |
| 09:21.51 | krka | Like coroutine.create, the coroutine.wrap function also creates a coroutine, but instead of returning the coroutine itself, it returns a function that, when called, resumes the coroutine. Any arguments passed to this function go as extra arguments to coroutine.resume. coroutine.wrap returns all the values returned by coroutine.resume, except the first one (the boolean error code). Unlike coroutine.resume, coroutine.wrap does not catch err |
| 09:21.53 | Shirik | quite literally |
| 09:22.09 | Shirik | I actually wrote that up for Cide because coroutine.wrap caused problems for his bot |
| 09:22.16 | Shirik | so he actually changed coroutine.wrap to that |
| 09:22.45 | Kaso | hmm interesting |
| 09:22.50 | Shirik | it's really nice actually |
| 09:22.51 | krka | not quite literally |
| 09:22.55 | krka | error catching differs |
| 09:22.55 | Shirik | I tend to use coroutine.wrap instead of coroutine.create |
| 09:22.58 | Shirik | Yes it does |
| 09:23.05 | Shirik | but in Cide's case that doesn't really matter |
| 09:23.34 | Shirik | in fact if you wanted to |
| 09:23.55 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap = function(f) local co = coroutine.create(f); return function(...) local s, e = coroutine.resume(co, ...); if not s then error(e); end end end |
| 09:24.03 | Shirik | yeah? :) |
| 09:24.07 | Kaso | so wrap runs in an un protected enviroment? |
| 09:24.14 | Shirik | yup |
| 09:24.35 | Kaso | hokay |
| 09:25.27 | krka | you're not returning the return values from resume |
| 09:25.36 | Kaso | well ive always done ok,err = coroutine.resume(co) if err error(err) end anyway so its not a issue for me, but hey. |
| 09:25.52 | Shirik | ok ok |
| 09:25.54 | Shirik | fine :( |
| 09:26.06 | Shirik | krka gave the absolute definition |
| 09:26.17 | Shirik | I gave essentially what it does, in code format :P |
| 09:26.32 | krka | function maybeerror(bool, ...) if bool then return ... end error((...)) end |
| 09:26.36 | Shirik | there are only a few reasons you would want to use coroutine.create over coroutine.wrap |
| 09:26.52 | Shirik | the most common one is that with coroutine.wrap, you can't check the status of a coroutine |
| 09:27.07 | krka | coroutine.wrap = function(f) local co = coroutine.create(f); return function(...) return maybeerror(coroutine.resume(co, ...) end end end end end |
| 09:27.22 | Thrae | So, what's the next addon you shall inject the lovliness of coroutines into? |
| 09:27.23 | Shirik | missing a ) I think? |
| 09:27.31 | krka | ah, that's probably right |
| 09:27.48 | Shirik | Thrae: See my patcher :) |
| 09:27.50 | Shirik | they're all over the place |
| 09:28.14 | Shirik | but that's mostly because I have to wait for the signature to be verified, I have to spend time receiving patches, which don't come all at once, etc. |
| 09:30.15 | Thrae | Your patcher? |
| 09:30.38 | Shirik | an RDX module which, quite literally, receives patches from other users, verifies a 2048-bit digital signature, and then installs it if needed |
| 09:30.44 | Shirik | does this in-game |
| 09:31.00 | Kaso | 2048 bit? thats a bit over-kill for ingame isnt it? |
| 09:31.02 | Shirik | not intended (nor possible) to be a substitute for updating to the latest version, but |
| 09:31.12 | Shirik | allows for critical patches to be distributed over guild chat |
| 09:31.23 | Shirik | Kaso: Well... tell that to those guys that downed illidan :P |
| 09:31.27 | Thrae | Oh, I thought you meant you were patching existing addons. |
| 09:31.33 | Shirik | I am |
| 09:31.38 | Shirik | patching existing RDX modules |
| 09:31.54 | Thrae | No, I mean other people's addons. Spreading the wealth that is coroutines. |
| 09:31.58 | Shirik | ah ah |
| 09:31.59 | Shirik | nono |
| 09:32.09 | Shirik | they jacked up their own addons, they can keep em :P |
| 09:32.13 | Guillotine | Shirik: oh ya, I was going to talk to you about that. This could lead to the first in-game "viruses", if its use becomes widespread, couldn't it? |
| 09:32.23 | krka | so brillian http://xkcd.com/ |
| 09:32.24 | Shirik | it would be rather interesting |
| 09:32.27 | krka | brilliant |
| 09:32.40 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 09:32.46 | Shirik | sadly, I could see my friend Tim saying that |
| 09:33.19 | Shirik | Guillotine: I'm being sure to keep it disabled by default, and (at least currently) restricted to only distribution over guild chat |
| 09:33.35 | Shirik | I would like to expand it to server-wide channels but I really have to think about the security implications before I do that |
| 09:33.53 | Guillotine | I'm not sure how you COULD do that without some VERY HEAVY obfuscation |
| 09:33.57 | Guillotine | since everything is open source |
| 09:34.06 | Shirik | well it's using private key-public key pairs |
| 09:34.10 | Shirik | I'm not distributing the private key |
| 09:34.13 | krka | you dont need obscurity for security |
| 09:34.33 | Shirik | I will include the code to sign a patch but I won't include the actual key |
| 09:34.36 | Guillotine | ah, I see what you're doing |
| 09:34.42 | Shirik | mostly just because I'm too lazy to take out that code |
| 09:35.30 | Shirik | it takes approximately 10s to verify a patch at max speed. Asserting a maximum framerate, about 1 minute to verify the signature. I think that's ok |
| 09:35.37 | Shirik | s/10/5/ |
| 09:35.37 | Guillotine | but then... if people have the code to sign a patch, couldn't they rather easily reverse engineer the code to unsign it? |
| 09:36.04 | Guillotine | I suppose it really depends on what encryption method you're using |
| 09:36.13 | Shirik | RSA technology has been around for years. People haven't been able to go backwards from a public key to a private key yet... I don't imagine they'll be able to do it in WoW |
| 09:36.44 | Kaso | this is all using Prism right? |
| 09:36.51 | Shirik | yup |
| 09:37.03 | Shirik | and of course foxlit gets all the credit for that |
| 09:37.22 | Kaso | cept his lack of tabbs in it! :grrr: |
| 09:37.26 | Shirik | rofl |
| 09:37.30 | Shirik | he says he wrote it in notepad |
| 09:37.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 09:37.32 | Shirik | and notepad didn't like his tabs |
| 09:37.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | omen is awesome |
| 09:39.36 | krka | wow... talk about over engineering :) |
| 09:39.41 | Shirik | over-engineering? |
| 09:39.44 | krka | that's usually fun to do though |
| 09:39.47 | krka | in game patching |
| 09:39.49 | Shirik | hehe |
| 09:39.51 | Shirik | tbh |
| 09:39.53 | Shirik | what sparked it |
| 09:40.06 | Shirik | I am so sick of my guildies saying during runs "Hey Shirik _______ is broken" |
| 09:40.07 | krka | i'd just have people post their version, and that'd make people go update it |
| 09:40.14 | Shirik | and then me responding "I fixed that yesterday go download the update" |
| 09:40.20 | Shirik | then them responding "But I downloaded an update a week ago!!" |
| 09:40.28 | Guillotine | See, what I'd do is: |
| 09:40.31 | SunTiger | don't say anything about addons anymore |
| 09:40.36 | SunTiger | its how i make idiots go away |
| 09:41.15 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.20 | Guillotine | then they have plenty of time to see your message |
| 09:41.31 | Guillotine | and can't complain about using an old version |
| 09:41.34 | Shirik | this already exists when a leader does a version check |
| 09:41.45 | Shirik | but then they're like "wtf I have to download again?!?! qq" |
| 09:41.48 | Guillotine | including the while 1 do end part? |
| 09:41.51 | Shirik | oh rofl |
| 09:41.51 | Shirik | no |
| 09:41.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope my phone arrives today :[ |
| 09:42.01 | Guillotine | see, that would force them to download the new version |
| 09:42.20 | Shirik | for those that are curious though, here's the code |
| 09:42.24 | Shirik | (obviously not finished yet) |
| 09:42.28 | Guillotine | then you don't have to listen to them complaining about not having the new version |
| 09:42.51 | Kaso | we have similar guild-warning to update your addon, then we have a guild rule saying you if you dont have it updated by next raid you dont raid. People usually get it done |
| 09:43.08 | Kaso | Though i did suggest a in-game updater to the guild master actually, he wasnt a fan |
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| 09:43.18 | Guillotine | hmm... I should make a library that adds a bunch of different functions to crash WoW |
| 09:43.22 | Guillotine | it adds all sorts of posibilities! |
| 09:44.24 | Elkano | funny thing is that ace2 even allows you to check if they are up2date ^^ |
| 09:44.30 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/56667?lang=lua |
| 09:44.34 | Guillotine | then you could have it loop through all other addon's saved variables looking for a function and hook that function with its own |
| 09:44.40 | Guillotine | then even if they delete your addon its still there :D |
| 09:44.44 | Shirik | take a look, feel free to offer suggestions |
| 09:44.58 | Guillotine | though I think most addons don't store functions in SV |
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| 09:45.19 | Kaso | Shirik, im just playing with prism, what does the slider on the task sheduler do? doesnt seem to be much |
| 09:45.28 | Shirik | it adjusts target framerate |
| 09:45.48 | Shirik | slide to the left it will do more processing per pass, slide to the right for less |
| 09:45.48 | Guillotine | 71-- TODO: REMOVE THIS PRIVATE KEY BEFORE DISTRIBUTION! |
| 09:45.48 | Guillotine | 72-- (haha you thought I left it in this pastey, didn't you?) |
| 09:45.51 | Guillotine | haha, love that part |
| 09:45.52 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 09:46.03 | Kaso | Doesnt do anything for me :< |
| 09:46.10 | Shirik | odd |
| 09:46.17 | Shirik | works for me |
| 09:46.21 | Shirik | maybe you have a beast computer |
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| 09:46.33 | Kaso | oh it does, its just my fps is so low the difference isnt perceveable >.< |
| 09:46.41 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:46.53 | Guillotine | Shirik: why don't you just store the Public Modulus without the : |
| 09:47.02 | Shirik | because a copy-pasted it from command prompt |
| 09:47.04 | Guillotine | I'm obviously just glancing at it at the moment, but... |
| 09:47.06 | Shirik | s/a/I/ |
| 09:47.08 | Guillotine | ah |
| 09:47.12 | Shirik | bleh |
| 09:47.18 | Shirik | and I was too lazy to go in and delete every : |
| 09:47.21 | Shirik | so I just did that |
| 09:47.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:47.55 | Guillotine | just use normal lua to remove it and paste the new one in. Its a small reduction in memory use (very small), but so easy to do |
| 09:48.07 | Shirik | yeh, I just haven't gotten around to it |
| 09:48.09 | Shirik | I probably will |
| 09:48.21 | Kaso | Shirik how long did you say it took you do to a 2048 ? |
| 09:48.30 | Shirik | 10m to sign |
| 09:48.42 | Shirik | about 5s processing time to verify |
| 09:48.52 | Shirik | which can be anything from like 10s to a minute depending on the target framerate |
| 09:49.42 | krka | using a coroutine? |
| 09:49.55 | Shirik | prism allows the use of a coroutine |
| 09:50.11 | Shirik | in the pastey I made, function RDXM.Patcher.Sign(patch) |
| 09:50.32 | Shirik | the last parameter to Prism_Crypto.Sign is "true" indicating "I want you to do this in a coroutine" |
| 09:50.42 | Shirik | meaning it will yield, and you have to wrap it |
| 09:51.02 | Shirik | however, PrismTasks.AddTask does the coroutine wrapping for you |
| 09:51.13 | Shirik | if you so desire to use it |
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| 09:52.11 | Elkano | shirik, is that tested ingame or only in external lua interpreter? |
| 09:52.21 | Shirik | partially tested in game |
| 09:52.26 | Shirik | there are definitely components that don't work |
| 09:52.35 | Shirik | I know, however, that discovery works correctly |
| 09:52.40 | Elkano | like loadstring? |
| 09:52.52 | Shirik | yeah that works fine |
| 09:53.04 | Shirik | the concept is valid, the only part that isn't entirely finished is communications |
| 09:53.10 | Elkano | ah, ok, it was you whose post on loadstring I had seen on forums |
| 09:53.11 | Shirik | everything else is tested fine |
| 09:53.18 | Shirik | ya because what I /wanted/ to do |
| 09:53.26 | Shirik | was transmit the patch as compiled code |
| 09:53.29 | Shirik | to save space |
| 09:53.39 | Shirik | but instead I have to transmit the code as plain text |
| 09:53.57 | Guillotine | my goal is to make the first WoW in-game virus. Just a script that will stick around after the addon has been deleted. Doing nothing but saying "You've been infected" |
| 09:54.03 | Elkano | which one wasn't working? loadstring or string.dump? |
| 09:54.03 | Guillotine | seriously, how cool would that be? |
| 09:54.05 | Shirik | rofl |
| 09:54.17 | Shirik | Elkano: I think loadstring() is configured so that it will not load compiled code |
| 09:54.24 | Shirik | string.dump I think is working correctly (looks correct) |
| 09:54.28 | Guillotine | it really isn't that hard if an author stores a function in the SV |
| 09:54.33 | Shirik | loadstring() works with plaintext code |
| 09:54.36 | Shirik | but not with compiled code |
| 09:54.40 | Elkano | ah, ok |
| 09:54.45 | Shirik | Guillotine: Take one of your addons |
| 09:54.49 | krka | you can store functions in the SV? |
| 09:55.01 | Guillotine | sure. you can store any variables |
| 09:55.06 | Shirik | Put in there a little portion to allow for it to do that at a specific time |
| 09:55.14 | Shirik | Guillotine: Really? Interesting |
| 09:55.16 | Guillotine | Shirik: but that would take out the fun |
| 09:55.20 | krka | is that new? |
| 09:55.24 | Guillotine | at least I'm pretty sure |
| 09:55.31 | krka | you used to be unable to write functions to the saved variables |
| 09:56.06 | Guillotine | you have to use string.dump though |
| 09:56.06 | Guillotine | and loadstring |
| 09:56.06 | krka | right |
| 09:56.06 | Guillotine | ya |
| 09:56.07 | Shirik | but you can't loadstring() compiled code |
| 09:56.07 | Shirik | which is what we were just discussing |
| 09:56.15 | Guillotine | oh really? o.O |
| 09:56.15 | krka | you'd have to make lua decompiler |
| 09:56.25 | krka | that would be kinda neat :) |
| 09:56.30 | Shirik | it's intentionally blocked |
| 09:56.38 | Shirik | according to Iriel |
| 09:56.40 | Guillotine | hmm. I thought loadstring(string.dump(test))=test |
| 09:56.50 | Shirik | I just tried it a few days ago, loadstring() fails |
| 09:56.55 | Guillotine | interesting |
| 09:56.58 | Elkano | well, krka, that would at least in some place result in plain code which would be easy to analize |
| 09:56.59 | Guillotine | well, nm then |
| 09:57.00 | Kaso | wait, you cant loadstring dumped text |
| 09:57.04 | Kaso | 100% sure... |
| 09:57.07 | Kaso | *can* |
| 09:57.17 | Shirik | as for the SV files: |
| 09:57.20 | Shirik | ["lol"] = nil --[[ skipped inline function ]], |
| 09:57.39 | Guillotine | I know you can't store it as a function |
| 09:57.46 | Guillotine | but I thought you could store it via string |
| 09:57.59 | Shirik | you can store it as a string, that's what I'm doing, but not from string.dump() |
| 09:58.02 | Shirik | you need the plaintext code |
| 09:58.09 | Shirik | ["patches"] = { |
| 09:58.09 | Shirik | "VFL.print(\"Hello World!\")", -- [1] |
| 09:58.09 | Shirik | "VFL.print(\"Hai Geld!\");", -- [2] |
| 09:58.10 | Shirik | }, |
| 09:58.10 | Guillotine | but then its too easy to find :( |
| 09:58.19 | Shirik | yeah :( but that's exactly why it's blocked |
| 09:58.22 | Shirik | they don't want hidden code |
| 09:58.25 | krka | just write a decompiler |
| 09:58.36 | Guillotine | ahh, I miss the good old days of Beta with compiled Cosmos |
| 09:58.39 | Kaso | *just* write a decompiler! its so obveous! |
| 09:58.49 | krka | yeah |
| 09:59.31 | Kaso | that would be pretty cool! could finally read thottbot's code |
| 09:59.34 | Guillotine | Shirik: so how are YOU storing the functions? Via plain text? |
| 09:59.38 | Shirik | yup |
| 09:59.45 | Shirik | see that table above |
| 09:59.47 | Shirik | that's how they're stored |
| 09:59.56 | Shirik | those are two "patces" |
| 09:59.58 | Shirik | patches* |
| 09:59.59 | Guillotine | ah |
| 10:00.03 | Shirik | also: [string "assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() VF..."]:1: [string "LuaQ"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'char(27)' |
| 10:00.15 | Guillotine | dang |
| 10:00.17 | Shirik | for assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() VFL.print("Hello world!") end))) |
| 10:01.08 | Shirik | also can someone do me a favor and /dump strcolor |
| 10:01.15 | Shirik | I'm trying to figure out where this function came from |
| 10:01.27 | Kaso | strcolor? |
| 10:01.31 | Shirik | I'm starting to use it but I don't even know if it's supposed to exist >< |
| 10:01.40 | Kaso | strcolor = nil |
| 10:01.45 | Shirik | strcolor(1,0,0) for example returns "|cffff0000" |
| 10:01.46 | Guillotine | doesn't exist as part of the default UI |
| 10:01.49 | Shirik | I wonder if it's part of VFL :/ |
| 10:02.03 | Guillotine | if its not it wouldn't be that hard to make |
| 10:02.09 | Guillotine | at all |
| 10:02.15 | Guillotine | thats what TTN does |
| 10:03.29 | Shirik | there it is.... it is indeed in VFL |
| 10:03.37 | Shirik | pretty simplistic |
| 10:03.49 | Shirik | function strcolor(r,g,b,a) if not a then a = 1; end return format("|c%02X%02X%02X%02X", math.floor(a*255), math.floor(r*255), math.floor(g*255), math.floor(b*255)); end |
| 10:05.16 | Shirik | I find it amusing he used format() |
| 10:05.20 | Shirik | but not floor()() |
| 10:05.22 | Shirik | floor() * |
| 10:05.26 | Shirik | or string.format |
| 10:05.45 | Guillotine | heh. I do that type of thing all the time |
| 10:05.48 | Guillotine | inconsistencies ftw |
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| 10:08.54 | Shirik | too many |Jelly|s! |
| 10:09.12 | Elkano | jelly beans? |
| 10:09.17 | Shirik | 06:08:45 » Join: |Jelly|_ ‹n=ChatZill@adsl-75-63-246-137.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net› ‹clones: |Jelly|, |Jelly|_› |
| 10:09.21 | Shirik | she cloned herself |
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| 10:12.39 | Shirik | she did it again o.o |
| 10:12.46 | Guillotine | well, its after 3 here and I have to get up early, so I'm off to bed |
| 10:12.47 | Guillotine | gn all |
| 10:12.50 | Shirik | psh |
| 10:12.53 | Shirik | it's 6:15 here |
| 10:13.05 | Shirik | night :) |
| 10:13.14 | Guillotine | night :) |
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| 10:15.46 | Mr_Rabies | http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3118/wowscrnshot061107061159ix2.jpg what do you think about the latest iteration of my UI, #wowi-lounge? |
| 10:16.08 | Shirik | you're a scryer |
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| 10:16.36 | Shirik | also it's pretty nice :) |
| 10:16.37 | zenzelezz | clean |
| 10:16.48 | zenzelezz | the minimap lacks a border of some kind (in my taste) |
| 10:16.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has a little black one |
| 10:17.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | /squee border black :P |
| 10:17.17 | zenzelezz | not visible enough for me :-) But that's just my opinion |
| 10:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hard to tell cause of the "inside building" |
| 10:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing |
| 10:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1382/wowscrnshot061107061113gx8.jpg |
| 10:17.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's an exploded view |
| 10:19.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4,1[0X4] are debuffs, 4,1[9X4] are buffs |
| 10:19.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 10:19.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 10:19.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well |
| 10:19.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know what i mean |
| 10:19.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4,1[0X4] are debuffs, 9,1[0X9] are buffs* |
| 10:19.56 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 10:20.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i gotta turn the target bufs down |
| 10:20.32 | zenzelezz | there's a whole lot of Jelly going on in here tonight |
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| 10:21.49 | Shirik | hai Cide! |
| 10:21.56 | Cide | hi hi |
| 10:22.01 | Shirik | >>> string.dump(coroutine.wrap) |
| 10:22.01 | Cide | Shirik: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\000\018\000\000\000@d:\\lua\\input.tmp\000\025\001\000\000\029\001\000\000\004\000\002\005\016\000\000\000\n\000\000\000D\000\000\000\165\000\000\000\\\000\000\000\"@\000\000D\000\128\000F\000\192\000\134@@\000\196\000\000\001\001\129\000\000\\@\000\002d\000\000\000\004\000\128\001\000\000\000\000^\000\000\001\030\000\128\000\003\000\000\000\004\008\000\000\000sethook\000\003\000\000\000\000\000\000\240?\004\0 |
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| 10:22.24 | Shirik | did you take the coroutine.wrap that I gave you a while back? |
| 10:22.31 | krka | >>> string.dump(coroutine.create) |
| 10:22.32 | Cide | krka: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\000\018\000\000\000@d:\\lua\\input.tmp\000\001\001\000\000\011\001\000\000\004\000\002\005\028\000\000\000\n\000\000\000E\000\000\000\132\000\000\000\229\000\000\000\\\000\000\000\"@\000\000F@@\000Z@\000\000\022\000\001\128E\128\000\000\134\192@\000\\@\000\001\030\000\128\000\022\000\003\128D\000\128\000\128\000\000\000\\@\000\001D\000\000\001F\000\193\000\134@@\000\196\000\128\001\001A\001\000\\@\000\002E\128\0 |
| 10:22.38 | krka | wtf |
| 10:22.41 | Shirik | <test> |
| 10:22.42 | krka | >>> string.dump(coroutine.resume) |
| 10:22.43 | Cide | krka: [string "string.dump(coroutine.resume)"]:1: unable to dump given function |
| 10:22.48 | Shirik | wow lag |
| 10:22.52 | Shirik | it just took me about 30s to cast inner fire |
| 10:22.58 | Cide | Shirik: think so |
| 10:23.54 | Shirik | we were discussing how it might be wrong :P |
| 10:24.13 | Shirik | unable to dump given function? |
| 10:24.16 | Shirik | huh? |
| 10:24.32 | Cide | probably a c function |
| 10:24.48 | zenzelezz | >>> string.dump(string.dump) |
| 10:24.48 | Cide | zenzelezz: [string "string.dump(string.dump)"]:1: unable to dump given function |
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| 10:31.51 | zenzelezz | Blessing of Protection on |Jelly| plz |
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| 10:34.36 | Shirik | nick Shirik|Fooding |
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| 10:40.56 | Shirik|Fooding | morning clad|sleep |
| 10:41.04 | clad|sleep | morning |
| 10:41.10 | clad|sleep | how did you know i was here? |
| 10:41.19 | clad|sleep | stalker imo |
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| 10:41.33 | Shirik|Fooding | Most users ever online was 9405, 12-06-2006 at 07:43 PM. |
| 10:41.33 | Shirik|Fooding | Shirik, aeternum, Alayn, Andor, Arabeth, Athou, Barabas, belgarion456, Bengarion, Binhoberde, BlueSteel, Borhast, caladein, CanRanBan, cataldoc, Cerender, ch1lly, Cladhaire, |
| 10:41.42 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 10:41.53 | Shirik|Fooding | it has nothing to do with the camera I placed on your desk, really |
| 10:42.06 | clad|sleep | dot dot dot |
| 10:42.06 | clad|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=8&a=viewfeature&featureid=2316 |
| 10:42.25 | Shirik|Fooding | ........... |
| 10:42.26 | Shirik|Fooding | . |
| 10:42.30 | Shirik|Fooding | lo. |
| 10:42.32 | Shirik|Fooding | l. |
| 10:42.39 | clad|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.41 | clad|sleep | wi mean |
| 10:42.44 | clad|sleep | doubleu. |
| 10:42.45 | clad|sleep | t |
| 10:42.47 | clad|sleep | eff. |
| 10:43.00 | Shirik|Fooding | people asked us to Ace RDX a while back |
| 10:43.07 | Shirik|Fooding | probably 3 months ago or so |
| 10:44.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | every time someone asks "pls put this on ace updater plx" or "plx mak tihs into an ace adon plz" |
| 10:44.01 | Shirik|Fooding | I didn't feel like going through and rewriting something like 10klocs of code though |
| 10:44.01 | clad|sleep | they didn't even ask me to ace it |
| 10:44.01 | Shirik|Fooding | (at least) |
| 10:44.01 | clad|sleep | just to release it on WAU |
| 10:44.01 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 10:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | a puppy dies |
| 10:44.02 | Shirik|Fooding | ha |
| 10:44.02 | krka | seems reasonable! |
| 10:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | clad, i bet he's going to reply |
| 10:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | "well can u make this into an ace addon plz then" |
| 10:44.02 | clad|sleep | i'll find him and stab him |
| 10:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 10:44.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would be nice if there was something like WUU that wasn't a bitch to get working with more than 20 addons |
| 10:44.58 | Cide | bah, I didn't catch it in time |
| 10:45.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't mind updating my few non-svn addons manually :O |
| 10:45.02 | Cide | 10klocs of code though |
| 10:45.11 | Cide | Shirik|Fooding: welcome to the department of redundancy department |
| 10:45.19 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 10:45.26 | Shirik|Fooding | I think it's about that |
| 10:45.30 | Shirik|Fooding | that was more of a rough estimate |
| 10:45.31 | Shirik|Fooding | let me check |
| 10:45.36 | Cide | I meant |
| 10:45.42 | Shirik|Fooding | oh |
| 10:45.42 | Cide | "loc of code" |
| 10:45.44 | Shirik|Fooding | yeah yeah |
| 10:45.47 | Cide | newb :P |
| 10:45.53 | Shirik|Fooding | I'm tired leave me alone :( |
| 10:46.06 | Cide | I'm hungry leave me al.. oh.. foooood |
| 10:47.20 | Cide | =/ |
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| 10:47.42 | Kaso | clad|sleep you should got through a load of ace mods and say "Cool mod, but please make this dongle thanks! |
| 10:48.13 | Shirik|Fooding | Cide: 23541 actually |
| 10:48.19 | Shirik|Fooding | besides |
| 10:48.22 | Shirik|Fooding | everyone always says ATM machine |
| 10:48.29 | Shirik|Fooding | I should be allowed to say loc of code |
| 10:48.41 | Cide | denied |
| 10:48.50 | Shirik|Fooding | :( |
| 10:48.50 | SunTiger | no you should not be |
| 10:48.55 | Kaso | people who say atm machine are retards, and yo are fully justified in punching them |
| 10:48.57 | SunTiger | and people should stop saying ATM machine |
| 10:49.04 | Shirik|Fooding | can I say lines of loc? |
| 10:49.06 | Kaso | also pin number |
| 10:49.06 | zenzelezz | and NIC card |
| 10:49.17 | Shirik|Fooding | or LUA! |
| 10:49.20 | SunTiger | VIP people |
| 10:49.20 | Cide | Shirik|Fooding: no! |
| 10:49.27 | Cide | actually |
| 10:49.46 | Shirik|Fooding | 06:48:05 ‹Kaso› clad|sleep you should got through a load of ace mods and say "Cool mod, but please make this dongle thanks! |
| 10:49.54 | Cide | saying "PHP" in itself is redundant and should be punished |
| 10:49.59 | Shirik|Fooding | heh |
| 10:50.07 | SunTiger | PHP is a seperate issue |
| 10:50.16 | SunTiger | self referencing names are annoying. |
| 10:50.17 | Cide | unless you're referring to "Personal Home Page", that is (lol) |
| 10:51.04 | Shirik|Fooding | I say pin number too :( |
| 10:51.08 | SunTiger | DIE |
| 10:51.09 | Cide | and now it's PHP: Hypertext Processor, isn't it? |
| 10:51.12 | SunTiger | yes |
| 10:51.15 | krka | ram memory, dvd (or cd) disc |
| 10:51.27 | Shirik|Fooding | VIP people I've never heard before though |
| 10:51.33 | Shirik|Fooding | and I don't say NIC card because I say network card |
| 10:51.36 | Shirik|Fooding | I never liked that acronym |
| 10:51.52 | Kaso | i think we should re-name Lua to the acronym "Lua Ultimately [isn't an] Acronym" |
| 10:51.57 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 10:52.04 | SunTiger | brilliant kaso, brilliant. |
| 10:52.28 | Kaso | or something else beginning with U, cant quite thing of anything better at the moment :< |
| 10:53.01 | SunTiger | Ultra |
| 10:53.04 | krka | LUA = Lua Users should know that it's not an Acronym |
| 10:53.10 | SunTiger | everything is better when you put ultra in the name. |
| 10:53.26 | Cide | Lua: UltrA |
| 10:53.28 | Cide | imo. |
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| 10:53.43 | Shirik|Fooding | Lua++ ? |
| 10:53.55 | Shirik|Fooding | LUA = Lua++ |
| 10:54.01 | Kaso | krka, i think thats pushing the "this word is part of the acronym but not one of the letters" things a little too far |
| 10:54.02 | Shirik|Fooding | maybe they'll actually give us a ++ operator this time |
| 10:54.10 | krka | make a new project called LUA and say you dont know much about it |
| 10:54.39 | SunTiger | Lua Uppercase Acronym |
| 10:54.39 | krka | Lua Unleashed on Assholes |
| 10:54.46 | Kaso | SunTiger i like that! |
| 10:55.00 | Shirik|Fooding | purl, what is LUA ? |
| 10:55.20 | purl | Shirik|Fooding: what are you talking about? |
| 10:55.21 | krka | "bla bla bla LUA bla bla" - "oh sorry, i dont know much about Lua Unleashed on Assholes" |
| 10:55.21 | Shirik|Fooding | I have a feeling purl isn't casesensitive :( |
| 10:55.30 | Shirik|Fooding | purl, what is lua? |
| 10:55.37 | purl | Shirik|Fooding: what are you talking about? |
| 10:55.51 | Shirik|Fooding | purl, what is Lua? |
| 10:55.55 | purl | Shirik|Fooding: what are you talking about? |
| 10:55.55 | Cide | purl, what is love? |
| 10:55.58 | purl | Cide: what are you talking about? |
| 10:56.06 | Shirik|Fooding | Cide: I tried to add that in |
| 10:56.08 | Shirik|Fooding | I did |
| 10:56.17 | Shirik|Fooding | purl, love is <reply> Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! |
| 10:56.19 | purl | If you love is <reply> Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 10:56.25 | Shirik|Fooding | but she won't take it :( |
| 10:56.59 | SunTiger | <Shirik|Fooding> Cide: I tried to add that in |
| 10:56.59 | SunTiger | <Shirik|Fooding> but she won't take it :( |
| 10:57.02 | SunTiger | you dirty bastard |
| 10:57.04 | Shirik|Fooding | ..... |
| 10:57.13 | krka | agreed |
| 10:57.14 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 10:57.19 | Cide | maybe this works |
| 10:57.20 | Cide | purl, what is love? is <reply> Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! |
| 10:57.23 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Cide |
| 10:57.27 | Cide | boo |
| 10:57.43 | Shirik|Fooding | ~set love <reply> Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! |
| 10:57.57 | Shirik|Fooding | is there a way to get a list of commands? |
| 10:57.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 10:57.58 | Shirik|Fooding | ~help |
| 10:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know of any addons that autoswap trinkets while in flight form and mounted :O |
| 10:58.36 | zenzelezz | purl, \what is love is <reply> Baby don't hurt \me, don't hurt \me, no more! |
| 10:58.39 | purl | ...but what is already something else... |
| 10:58.44 | Shirik|Fooding | ~topic add love <reply> Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! |
| 10:58.44 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (T required) |
| 10:58.48 | Shirik|Fooding | :( |
| 10:58.48 | zenzelezz | purl, \what \is love is <reply> Baby don't hurt \me, don't hurt \me, no more! |
| 10:58.50 | purl | okay, zenzelezz |
| 10:58.56 | zenzelezz | purl, what is love? |
| 10:58.57 | purl | Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more! |
| 10:59.01 | Kaso | yay |
| 10:59.01 | Shirik|Fooding | nice |
| 10:59.03 | Cide | awesome |
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| 10:59.32 | Shirik|Fooding | what exactly did that do? |
| 10:59.51 | zenzelezz | "what", "is", and words like "me", "I", or nicks get translated |
| 10:59.57 | Shirik|Fooding | ah |
| 11:00.15 | zenzelezz | if I didn't escape "me", if you had asked for the factoid purl would say "baby don't hurt zenzelezz" |
| 11:00.23 | Cide | rofl |
| 11:00.27 | Cide | that would've been awesome |
| 11:00.35 | zenzelezz | at least if it works like infobot; which it seems to do |
| 11:00.53 | SunTiger | ~bloodbot |
| 11:01.03 | purl | perhaps you mean blootbot |
| 11:01.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl, what is a man? |
| 11:01.06 | purl | Mr_Rabies2: what are you talking about? |
| 11:01.06 | Cide | baby don't hurt zenzeless, don't hurt zenzeless, no more |
| 11:01.07 | Cide | has a nice ring to it |
| 11:01.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 11:01.10 | SunTiger | ~blootbot |
| 11:01.12 | purl | it has been said that blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ , I am a blootbot |
| 11:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl, \what \is a man is <reply> A Miserable little pile of secrets, but enough talk, have at \you! |
| 11:01.29 | purl | okay, Mr_Rabies2 |
| 11:01.30 | SunTiger | ~botsnack |
| 11:01.30 | purl | :), SunTiger |
| 11:01.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl, what is a man? |
| 11:01.44 | purl | A Miserable little pile of secrets, but enough talk, have at you! |
| 11:01.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops i suck at caps |
| 11:02.07 | SunTiger | back on topic |
| 11:02.12 | Shirik|Fooding | on topic, right. |
| 11:02.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | no purl, \what \is a man is <reply> A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at \you! |
| 11:02.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i forgot how to change purl |
| 11:02.31 | Shirik|Fooding | ah right, ATM machines. |
| 11:02.38 | SunTiger | purl LUA is <reply> Lua Uppercase Acronym, try looking for lua instead. |
| 11:02.40 | purl | ...but lua is already something else... |
| 11:02.44 | SunTiger | damnit |
| 11:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | no purl \what \is a man is <reply> A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at \you! |
| 11:02.47 | SunTiger | case sensitivity |
| 11:02.54 | Shirik|Fooding | purl, no, \what \is a man is <reply> A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at \you! |
| 11:02.56 | purl | Shirik|Fooding: okay |
| 11:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks Shirik|Fooding |
| 11:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i keep reading fooding as flooding |
| 11:03.10 | Shirik|Fooding | :( |
| 11:03.26 | Shirik|Fooding | Mr_Rabies: You should always address purl directly, so she doesn't get confused |
| 11:03.29 | Shirik|Fooding | that's how I remember it |
| 11:03.41 | Shirik|Fooding | i.e., the first word is always purl |
| 11:03.53 | SunTiger | or simply use pm's or use the ~ |
| 11:03.55 | Shirik|Fooding | ya |
| 11:04.05 | Shirik|Fooding | but I don't think you can do ~no \what is |
| 11:04.06 | Shirik|Fooding | whatever |
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| 11:04.12 | Shirik|Fooding | maybe you can |
| 11:04.13 | Shirik|Fooding | dunno |
| 11:04.20 | SunTiger | yes you can |
| 11:04.25 | SunTiger | ~ replaces purl, |
| 11:05.27 | SunTiger | ~no emulate moonwolf is <reply> I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Call me! |
| 11:05.32 | purl | SunTiger: okay |
| 11:05.41 | SunTiger | ~emulate me |
| 11:05.43 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 11:05.52 | Shirik|Fooding | ouch. |
| 11:05.54 | SunTiger | ~emulate moonwolf |
| 11:05.56 | purl | I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Call me! |
| 11:06.13 | SunTiger | ~emulate cide |
| 11:06.15 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 11:06.31 | SunTiger | i wonder |
| 11:06.34 | SunTiger | ~emulate rowne |
| 11:06.36 | purl | Abuuuh? |
| 11:06.40 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 11:06.45 | SunTiger | ~literal emulate rowne |
| 11:06.47 | purl | "emulate rowne" is "<reply> Abuuuh? || <reply> I'm simply aboggle" |
| 11:06.53 | Shirik|Fooding | ~emulate Cairenn|afk |
| 11:06.59 | Shirik|Fooding | :( |
| 11:07.04 | Shirik|Fooding | we must fix that |
| 11:07.59 | SunTiger | ~whalekill Shirik|Fooding |
| 11:08.01 | Shirik|Fooding | on that note, mcdonald's is open!! |
| 11:08.13 | SunTiger | damnit no whalekill |
| 11:08.20 | SunTiger | ~whalecrush Shirik|Fooding |
| 11:08.29 | SunTiger | who removed all the whalefu |
| 11:08.32 | Shirik|Fooding | it's there |
| 11:08.36 | SunTiger | ~whalestab Shirik|Fooding |
| 11:08.38 | purl | ACTION stabs Shirik|Fooding with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 11:08.57 | Shirik|Fooding | but seriously |
| 11:08.58 | Shirik|Fooding | food time |
| 11:10.27 | SunTiger | ~ emulate Cairenn|afk is <action> Secretly watches the channel. |
| 11:10.41 | purl | SunTiger: okay |
| 11:10.41 | SunTiger | ~emulate Cairenn|afk is <action> Secretly watches the channel. |
| 11:10.44 | purl | SunTiger: i already had it that way |
| 11:10.57 | SunTiger | ~botsnack |
| 11:10.57 | purl | aw, gee, SunTiger |
| 11:11.19 | SunTiger | ~emulate Cairenn|afk |
| 11:11.23 | purl | ACTION Secretly watches the channel. |
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| 11:17.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | ok all i care about even thow flying mounts in azoroth would be awsome but blizzard ur a good comony just make it ezer to get the flying mounts serisouly 5000g for traning 200for mount i can stand the 200 but 5000 no i should be able to hop on a mout without training o i need a training to ride a horse and flying mouts too now just lower the prise |
| 11:18.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow forums-chan |
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| 11:23.33 | Kaso | I really dont get the winers about 5000g >.< |
| 11:23.48 | zenzelezz | the solution was simple to me |
| 11:23.53 | Kaso | I started playing months after tbc lanuched yet i got a mount before some people i know playing from the start. |
| 11:23.57 | zenzelezz | stick with the slow mount, like I did with the horse |
| 11:24.29 | Kaso | are you a masochist or something ! |
| 11:24.40 | zenzelezz | just a cheap bastard |
| 11:24.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a cheap bastard |
| 11:24.51 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 11:24.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i have 2000g after my epic mount |
| 11:25.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i don't grind/farm for more than 30 mins a day or so |
| 11:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm an enchanter who DE's all of his quest rewards/greens |
| 11:26.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and haven't sold a single enchant since bc started |
| 11:26.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, so, anyone know any addons that autoequip appropriate trinkets when mounted or in flight forms? :O |
| 11:26.53 | Wraanger | SimpleMountEquip |
| 11:27.25 | Wraanger | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6504-SimpleMountEquip.html <<you can get it here |
| 11:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesnt work with flight forms |
| 11:28.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | wardrobe works fine with mounts, but not flight forms :[ |
| 11:30.10 | Wraanger | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7192-SimpleMountEquipFlightForm.html << fun update including flight form |
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| 11:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll work until i can pester AnduinLothar sufficiently :p |
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| 11:40.19 | zenzelezz | the "how Juggernaut learned Naxxramas" picture still cracks me up |
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| 11:47.13 | Shirik|Fooding | Elkano: You don't have a US account? |
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| 11:47.47 | Elkano | no |
| 11:48.05 | Elkano | since I'm playing on EU... |
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| 11:50.36 | Shirik|Fooding | I thought I had seen you post before |
| 11:50.38 | Shirik|Fooding | that's why I'm confused |
| 11:50.50 | Shirik | also this jelly spam is totally eating up my screen :P |
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| 11:53.46 | Shirik | x-perl is ace based, ya? |
| 11:54.01 | [Ammo] | don't think so |
| 11:54.23 | Wraanger | no |
| 11:54.35 | Wraanger | X-{erl is not Ace2 based ... |
| 11:55.16 | Wraanger | question ....what can be improved in http://pastey.net/56675 ? |
| 11:56.16 | JoshBorke | make it Ace2 based :_D |
| 11:56.32 | Wraanger | nah |
| 11:56.39 | Shirik | ... no. |
| 11:56.44 | krka | best idea today! |
| 11:56.54 | Wraanger | it will be like using intercontinental nuclear missile to sway a fly |
| 11:57.06 | zenzelezz | only way to be sure |
| 11:57.13 | Shirik | you can get rid of a few characters |
| 11:57.15 | Shirik | but that's about it |
| 11:58.16 | krka | you could avoid changing maps |
| 11:58.16 | krka | that's generally annoying |
| 11:58.16 | Shirik | there you go: http://pastey.net/56677 |
| 11:58.17 | Shirik | I removed 8 sets of parentheses and made your code yugly |
| 11:58.18 | Shirik | ugly* |
| 11:58.32 | Shirik | >>> print'test' |
| 11:58.32 | Cide | Shirik: "test" |
| 11:58.36 | Shirik | good good |
| 11:58.38 | krka | i'd make elapsed a local |
| 11:58.51 | krka | or technically an upvalue |
| 11:58.55 | Shirik | ACK! |
| 11:58.59 | Shirik | you used "this!" |
| 11:59.04 | Shirik | ok yes that needs to be fixed |
| 11:59.15 | krka | and i'd import some functions |
| 11:59.18 | Shirik | replace "this" with "frame" |
| 11:59.19 | krka | like GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 11:59.22 | Shirik | "this" is global and evil |
| 11:59.43 | JoshBorke | not if defined locally :->P |
| 11:59.51 | Shirik | "this" as he used it is evil |
| 12:00.12 | zenzelezz | >>> this |
| 12:00.13 | Cide | zenzelezz: nil |
| 12:00.16 | zenzelezz | >>> self |
| 12:00.17 | Cide | zenzelezz: nil |
| 12:00.21 | JoshBorke | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(this, event, ...) end ) |
| 12:02.49 | Wraanger | http://pastey.net/56678 better ? |
| 12:03.01 | Shirik | no |
| 12:03.02 | Shirik | not f |
| 12:03.03 | Shirik | frame |
| 12:03.13 | Shirik | the first parameter to OnUpdate |
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| 12:03.37 | Shirik | upvalues are still slower than locals |
| 12:04.00 | krka | yes, but faster than table lookups |
| 12:04.15 | Shirik | yes so it's better than it was |
| 12:04.19 | Shirik | but not as good as it can be :) |
| 12:04.34 | krka | how can you handle elapsed as a local? |
| 12:05.04 | Shirik | it's not really a "local" |
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| 12:05.20 | Shirik | or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're asking |
| 12:05.24 | krka | another small fix - don't use constant locals for strings |
| 12:05.25 | Shirik | oh |
| 12:05.28 | Shirik | you want to take frame.update |
| 12:05.35 | Shirik | and make that a upvalue |
| 12:05.40 | Shirik | instead of an element in frame |
| 12:05.41 | krka | what frame.update? |
| 12:05.47 | krka | are we looking at the same code? |
| 12:05.49 | Shirik | frame.elapsed * |
| 12:05.52 | Shirik | I'm tired :( |
| 12:06.35 | krka | i'd even do local IsVisible = WorldMapFrame.IsVisible |
| 12:06.46 | krka | and call it with IsVisible(WorldMapFrame) |
| 12:06.49 | krka | and make that local too |
| 12:07.05 | krka | (technically an upvalue) |
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| 12:07.50 | JoshBorke | that code looks all wrong |
| 12:07.56 | JoshBorke | repaste it to me when i get back |
| 12:08.07 | Shirik | ... |
| 12:08.55 | clad|work | Luabot has been enabled, prefix a command with lua> to have me run it. |
| 12:09.19 | krka | lua>php |
| 12:09.20 | clad|work | krka:lua> nil |
| 12:09.41 | zenzelezz | lua> print(Shirik.."owns") |
| 12:09.41 | clad|work | zenzelezz:lua> [string " print(Shirik.."owns")"]:1: attempt to concatenate global 'Shirik' (a nil value) |
| 12:09.48 | Wraanger | ok ..and if we do it like this ? http://pastey.net/56679 |
| 12:09.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:10.16 | Shirik | local update |
| 12:10.17 | Shirik | 4local left=update |
| 12:10.19 | Shirik | I'm confused by that |
| 12:10.31 | Shirik | update is obviously nil, why would you do left = update? |
| 12:11.42 | Shirik | because |
| 12:11.47 | Shirik | you forgot to do update = some number |
| 12:11.49 | Shirik | ya |
| 12:11.52 | Shirik | but once you do that it looks good |
| 12:12.36 | Wraanger | i forgot |
| 12:12.48 | Wraanger | it should be local update=1 |
| 12:14.03 | Wraanger | local left=update |
| 12:14.03 | Wraanger | my fault |
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| 12:20.27 | Wraanger | Josh, new code : http://pastey.net/56681 |
| 12:20.46 | Josh_Borke | danke |
| 12:21.47 | Shirik | btw, lines 6-8 are bad, fyi |
| 12:21.55 | Shirik | unless you're just trying to make less to type |
| 12:22.29 | Josh_Borke | i like those lines... |
| 12:22.33 | Shirik | you may also considering local GetPlayerMapPosition = GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 12:22.48 | Shirik | and local SetMapToCurrentZone = SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 12:24.01 | Wraanger | umm .. surely I can do them as a local , but ..what it would be for ? ( I really don't know that and whant to know, so asking ) |
| 12:24.01 | krka | agree - 6-8 make it slightly slower, afaik |
| 12:24.25 | krka | and local IsInInstance = IsInInstance |
| 12:24.30 | Shirik|Shower | Wraanger: Those would speed it up |
| 12:24.37 | krka | you wont have to make table lookups to find the functions |
| 12:24.38 | Shirik|Shower | global lookups are as slow as table lookups |
| 12:24.48 | Shirik|Shower | GETLOCAL doesn't even exist in bytecode |
| 12:24.50 | krka | global lookups _are_ table lookups :) |
| 12:24.54 | Shirik|Shower | ok |
| 12:24.56 | Shirik|Shower | yes |
| 12:25.32 | krka | i'd localize WorldMapFrame, IsVisible, SetText, format |
| 12:26.01 | Cairenn|afk | lol - O |
| 12:26.10 | Cairenn|afk | I'm neither a guy, nor an FBI agent |
| 12:26.22 | Shirik|Shower | rofl! |
| 12:26.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge foxlit (n=me@0x573e6bae.albnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 12:26.34 | Shirik|Shower | oh fun times |
| 12:26.36 | clad|work | Cairenn|afk: LIES |
| 12:26.38 | Shirik|Shower | that conversation was so long ago |
| 12:26.47 | krka | Cairenn|afk: you'll never convince us |
| 12:26.51 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 12:27.01 | zenzelezz | I think Cairenn is most certainly an agent in the Female Bureau of Intimidation |
| 12:27.03 | Shirik|Shower | Cairenn|afk: Are you a female? |
| 12:27.14 | Shirik|Shower | And you are on IRC, we can assert. |
| 12:27.16 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik|Shower: well duh |
| 12:27.25 | Shirik|Shower | Therefore, we can deduce that you are a FBI agent |
| 12:27.26 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: ROFL! |
| 12:27.26 | krka | see, she can't even admit it when asked |
| 12:27.35 | Shirik|Shower | Rule #2 of IRC |
| 12:27.45 | krka | "well duh" is avoiding the question |
| 12:27.49 | Shirik|Shower | 03:55:05 ‹Shirik› (2) never, ever, take anyone seriously, especially someone who says they're a 16 year old female virgin |
| 12:28.08 | Shirik|Shower | rule #3 is a corrolary, females don't exist on the interwebz. |
| 12:28.10 | Shirik|Shower | ^^ |
| 12:28.11 | Shirik|Shower | <3 |
| 12:28.14 | Cairenn|afk | you'll notice I've NEVER said that :p |
| 12:28.17 | Shirik|Shower | seriously I have to go shower |
| 12:28.40 | Shirik|Shower | Cairenn|afk would kick me but she knows I have autojoin so it would be futile |
| 12:29.48 | Shirik|Shower | Cairenn|afk: Real quick I have to ask |
| 12:29.52 | Shirik|Shower | do you call it ATM or ATM machine? |
| 12:29.58 | Shirik|Shower | similarily PIN or PIN number? |
| 12:30.16 | Shirik|Shower | I think I scared her away :( |
| 12:30.21 | clad|work | lol |
| 12:30.27 | zenzelezz | you seem to have that effect on girls |
| 12:30.31 | clad|work | you're talking to an afk woman from the shower |
| 12:30.33 | clad|work | what do you expect |
| 12:30.37 | Shirik|Shower | ... |
| 12:30.40 | clad|work | NIC CARD |
| 12:30.42 | Shirik|Shower | she really does read everything >.> |
| 12:30.46 | clad|work | imo |
| 12:30.57 | Cairenn|afk | clad|work: 2 |
| 12:30.59 | clad|work | i read everythign in the morning too |
| 12:31.02 | clad|work | helps wake me up =) |
| 12:31.04 | Shirik|Shower | this is like |
| 12:31.18 | Shirik|Shower | purl coming back after being afk for 2 hours |
| 12:31.31 | clad|work | lol |
| 12:31.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-1-132.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:32.20 | Cairenn|afk | if my name has been said while I was afk, I always do a search on it so I can find out if it was something serious or something I need to deal with, or whether it was folks just goofing around etc |
| 12:33.03 | Cairenn|afk | seldom, but occasionaly |
| 12:33.25 | Shirik|Shower | I used to be a lot more serious |
| 12:33.30 | Shirik|Shower | that's back when I slept |
| 12:33.46 | zenzelezz | serious = people flirting with her behind her back |
| 12:33.55 | Cairenn|afk | rofl zenzelezz |
| 12:34.10 | Shirik|Shower | grrr |
| 12:34.12 | Shirik|Shower | I'm not identified |
| 12:34.16 | Shirik|Shower | no wonder nobody's answering me T_T |
| 12:34.59 | Shirik|Shower | I forget how to link nicks :( |
| 12:35.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | /ns help link |
| 12:35.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 12:35.14 | Shirik | too hard :P |
| 12:35.22 | Shirik | I like randomly entering commands to NS until it works |
| 12:35.30 | zenzelezz | <N: NickServ> Syntax: LINK <nickname> <password> |
| 12:35.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i wish i weren't so lazy |
| 12:35.52 | Shirik|Shower | there we go |
| 12:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'd love to have a program that uploaded Object Info from wowhead to Cartographer_Treasure or Gatherer or something similar's savedvars :O |
| 12:37.09 | Wraanger | when I try to localize all of the above ...it does not want to work =(( http://pastey.net/56682 ... says "= expected near x" in line 16 |
| 12:37.59 | zenzelezz | to call a function you need () |
| 12:38.18 | zenzelezz | I think |
| 12:38.57 | Shirik|Shower | yup |
| 12:39.08 | krka | or {, or ", or ', [[, or [=(, or [==[, ... |
| 12:39.11 | Shirik|Shower | ya |
| 12:39.19 | Shirik|Shower | wait hold up |
| 12:39.22 | Shirik|Shower | [=( ? |
| 12:39.24 | krka | typo |
| 12:39.26 | Shirik|Shower | oh |
| 12:39.27 | krka | i meant [=[ |
| 12:39.48 | zenzelezz | is he declaring the locals correctly? I'm a bit tired, but it seems like he's calling the functions instead of making them local |
| 12:39.58 | Shirik|Shower | yeah |
| 12:39.59 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/dull.png -> http://wow.reaktio.net/pimp.png |
| 12:40.01 | Shirik|Shower | drop the () at the top |
| 12:40.03 | Shirik|Shower | add the () at the bottom |
| 12:40.17 | Shirik|Shower | local SetMapToCurrentZone = SetMapToCurrentZone() |
| 12:40.19 | Shirik|Shower | needs to be |
| 12:40.21 | Shirik|Shower | local SetMapToCurrentZone = SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 12:40.27 | zenzelezz | mikma: pretty nice, is the color configurable? |
| 12:40.43 | mikma | zenzelezz: not yet, that's 100% tinypad atm :D |
| 12:41.13 | zenzelezz | looking good so far, is it meant to be a small mod just to affect that or part of a larger mod? |
| 12:41.32 | mikma | err, I don't know :) haven't thought about that one |
| 12:41.42 | Wraanger | and what about GetPlayerMapPosition ? |
| 12:41.51 | mikma | i could release it as a independent mod if i get a colorpicker coded |
| 12:41.59 | Wraanger | how correct syntaxis for localising would be looking like ? |
| 12:42.12 | zenzelezz | mikma: I'd use it as a standalone :-) |
| 12:43.38 | krka | same thing Wraanger |
| 12:43.47 | krka | local GetPlayerMapPosition = GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 12:44.35 | foxlit | why are you localling a function at all? :) |
| 12:44.46 | krka | it makes it faster |
| 12:44.54 | zenzelezz | anyone remember VB? 'functionname "parameter1", true' if you didn't care about return value, 'var = functionname("parameter1", true)' if you did |
| 12:45.00 | krka | kinda like aceing an addon, except this actually helps |
| 12:45.15 | foxlit | Judging by his code, it's overkill |
| 12:45.19 | foxlit | lua> print("hi") |
| 12:45.20 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> hi |
| 12:45.29 | zenzelezz | foxlit: they all told him to |
| 12:45.39 | krka | for onupdate code, i think it's a reasonable thing to do |
| 12:45.41 | foxlit | lua> GetTime(); |
| 12:45.41 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> [string " GetTime();"]:1: attempt to call global 'GetTime' (a nil value) |
| 12:45.51 | krka | there's no drawback, really |
| 12:46.08 | foxlit | memory |
| 12:46.20 | krka | a few bytes |
| 12:46.36 | foxlit | versus a few microseconds? |
| 12:46.55 | foxlit | lua> os.time(); |
| 12:46.55 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> 1181565977, |
| 12:46.57 | foxlit | lua> os.time(); |
| 12:46.57 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> 1181565979, |
| 12:47.00 | Wraanger | http://pastey.net/56683 look like working version |
| 12:47.01 | krka | not sure... how long does a table lookup take? |
| 12:47.04 | foxlit | lua> time(); |
| 12:47.04 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> 1181565986, |
| 12:47.18 | foxlit | bah, where are you, millisecond-correct timers |
| 12:47.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh you still can't target through stuff that obscures LoS in 2.1.2 |
| 12:48.04 | Wraanger | looks that by localising all of that, 2Kb of memory was freed ))) |
| 12:48.15 | krka | looks good Wraanger |
| 12:49.35 | Wraanger | now as Coords module is done, we can get to doing an actual minimap addon )) |
| 12:50.13 | Shirik | foxlit: debug timers |
| 12:50.56 | foxlit | lua> for k,v in pairs(debug) do print(k); end |
| 12:50.56 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> traceback |
| 12:51.33 | foxlit | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) do if string.match(k, "time") then print(k); end end |
| 12:51.33 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> difftime, time |
| 12:51.47 | krka | lua>local s="."while 1 do s=s..s end |
| 12:51.48 | clad|work | krka:lua> maximum memory (5000 KiB) exceeded |
| 12:51.49 | foxlit | lua> difftime |
| 12:51.49 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> function: 0x302b80 |
| 12:51.53 | foxlit | lua> difftime() |
| 12:51.54 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> [string " difftime()"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'difftime' (number expected, got no value) |
| 12:51.57 | Wraanger | question, willit make sense to localise things like GetContainerItemLink ? |
| 12:52.09 | Wraanger | for a lil module which sells trash items ) |
| 12:52.17 | krka | lua>print(os) |
| 12:52.17 | clad|work | krka:lua> { ["clock"] = function: 0x302b00, ["time"] = function: 0x302d20 } (#1) |
| 12:52.21 | Shirik | >>> return debug.getregistry() |
| 12:52.21 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return debug.getregistry()"]:1: attempt to call field 'getregistry' (a nil value) |
| 12:52.47 | foxlit | lua> os.clock |
| 12:52.47 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> function: 0x302b00 |
| 12:52.50 | foxlit | lua> os.clock() |
| 12:52.50 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> 0, |
| 12:52.52 | foxlit | lua> os.clock() |
| 12:52.52 | clad|work | foxlit:lua> 0, |
| 12:53.07 | Shirik | lua> return debug.getregistry() |
| 12:53.07 | clad|work | Shirik:lua> [string " return debug.getregistry()"]:1: attempt to call field 'getregistry' (a nil value) |
| 12:53.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:53.10 | Shirik | why! |
| 12:53.25 | clad|work | because sandboxes are good ideas. |
| 12:53.26 | clad|work | that's why |
| 12:53.31 | Shirik | really I just want to know what that does |
| 12:53.40 | Shirik | I saw it in the documentation with nothing about it :( |
| 12:53.58 | krka | so download lua |
| 12:54.02 | Shirik | I have it |
| 12:54.12 | Shirik | and I'm trying to work with it but print() doesn't like table values :( |
| 12:54.27 | clad|work | zomg require"Serialze" |
| 12:54.30 | clad|work | require "Serialize" |
| 12:54.43 | Shirik | > require "Serialize" |
| 12:54.43 | Shirik | stdin:1: module 'Serialize' not found: |
| 12:54.44 | clad|work | afk for a ew |
| 12:54.52 | clad|work | so write a serialize module |
| 12:54.54 | clad|work | simple as that |
| 12:54.54 | clad|work | nub |
| 12:55.00 | clad|work | lua -lSerialize |
| 12:55.00 | clad|work | imo |
| 12:55.03 | Shirik | I have one but it's buried in rdx :( |
| 12:56.06 | Shirik | oooh |
| 12:56.07 | Shirik | fun |
| 12:56.14 | foxlit | C&C3 patch nerfed nearly every single one of my strategies :( |
| 12:56.34 | Shirik | that is most definitely a fun function :) |
| 12:57.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 12:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's that addon that blocks invites from certain level ranges? |
| 12:57.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'm tired of closing uhttytbbtht's spam 18 times in a row until he finally gets banned |
| 12:58.40 | Shirik | you could just... report spam? |
| 12:58.41 | Wraanger | question ...I understood that using "this" is evil .... what about using "self" ? |
| 12:58.48 | Shirik | Wraanger: self is local |
| 12:58.52 | Shirik | depending on where it comes from |
| 12:58.56 | Shirik | but 99% of the time it is local |
| 12:59.06 | Shirik | 99% of the time "this" is global |
| 12:59.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't report spam until i join the group or get a whisper from them shirik |
| 12:59.14 | Shirik | and also a pita |
| 12:59.20 | Shirik | I just join the group :P |
| 12:59.26 | Shirik | leave immediately |
| 12:59.27 | Shirik | report spam |
| 12:59.28 | Shirik | done |
| 12:59.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | installing an addon is simpler than that :O |
| 12:59.55 | foxlit | Clicking no is easier too :) |
| 12:59.55 | Wraanger | i was thinking about using self in like self:RegisterEvent and self:SetScript ... |
| 13:00.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | clicking no 18 times in a row sucks :[ |
| 13:00.38 | Thrae | Make an addon to auto-accept the group invite, then auto-leave if it's 1-10 and not on your Friends or Guild list. |
| 13:00.39 | foxlit | 7ignore? |
| 13:00.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather ignore invites from levels 1-50 |
| 13:01.07 | foxlit | Or make a repeated reject invite |
| 13:01.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's one out there |
| 13:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't know its name |
| 13:01.28 | foxlit | If you've rejected an invite in the last 1 minute from the person, reject any subsequent requests |
| 13:01.28 | Thrae | Well, the addon could automatically create a spam report that way. |
| 13:01.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather just block it and let all the people too lazy to install addons report them |
| 13:02.00 | Thrae | Ah, so many things on my todo list...too bad I've never been harrased by gold sellers. |
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| 13:02.11 | Thrae | Then I'd have more motivation ;) |
| 13:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | happens 5-6 times a day or so |
| 13:02.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | for me |
| 13:02.22 | Thrae | You're a Level 70? |
| 13:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thxuasihd has invited you to group |
| 13:02.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | decline |
| 13:02.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thxuasihd has invited you to group |
| 13:02.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | decline |
| 13:02.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | until he gets banned |
| 13:02.53 | foxlit | Never had that :) |
| 13:03.01 | foxlit | Still, sticky reject would solve everything |
| 13:03.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i usually just decline unsolicted invites as a rule anyway |
| 13:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | even by guildies |
| 13:03.37 | Thrae | Note that not all Level 1s inviting you into their group are harrasing you -- I've randomly invited people when I can't find test subjects for real-world testing ;) |
| 13:03.51 | foxlit | evil! |
| 13:03.53 | Thrae | Although I usually stick to people who are also 1-10, they tend to accept more often |
| 13:04.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they're not gonna bother telling me why they're inviting me, i'm not interested enough to go |
| 13:04.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got pretty much no reason to accept invites from levels 1-50 |
| 13:04.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or even 1-60 honestly |
| 13:05.13 | Thrae | Awww, you make the 59 Druid sad |
| 13:06.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | what use do i have of a 59 druid? |
| 13:06.04 | Shirik | 09:04:00 ‹Thrae› Note that not all Level 1s inviting you into their group are harrasing you -- I've randomly invited people when I can't find test subjects for real-world testing ;) |
| 13:06.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 13:06.11 | Shirik | at least I limit that to my own guild >< |
| 13:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's not possibly anything he could do that inviting me to a group would help with :O |
| 13:06.28 | Shirik | I need to test my hax |
| 13:06.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if you'll send me a whisper before-hand and you need me to reset an instance, or whatever, i'll happily do that |
| 13:06.48 | Thrae | That reminds me of another addon idea I had..."Spammo", it spams everyone in the currently open /who list with a message. |
| 13:06.50 | Shirik | don't need that anymore but yeah |
| 13:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but geez, ask first :P |
| 13:07.05 | Thrae | Shirik: I tend to always pick guilds where everyone is busy or offline... |
| 13:07.13 | Shirik | haha |
| 13:07.31 | Thrae | In fact, there's a good population in my guilds who are "morally against addons" |
| 13:07.50 | Shirik | imo we should make a developers guild |
| 13:08.00 | Shirik | much like was on TBC beta |
| 13:08.32 | Thrae | There are a few developers guilds out there, they're just too scattered...not like the Ace, Khaos, CT, etc. community could all get together and be one big happy family ;) |
| 13:08.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 13:08.52 | Pac | WHERE CAN I GET BETA? |
| 13:08.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | people should just get over that junk |
| 13:09.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa calm down killer |
| 13:09.08 | Pac | OR CANT U GET IT ANY MORE? |
| 13:09.18 | Shirik | caps = hurt eyes |
| 13:09.43 | Pac | soz didnt know it was on |
| 13:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't get it anymore, no |
| 13:09.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it ended in like |
| 13:09.56 | Shirik | 3 months ago |
| 13:09.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | december |
| 13:10.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | or january |
| 13:10.00 | Shirik | 6 |
| 13:10.01 | Shirik | ya |
| 13:10.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Garns (n=blub@muedsl-82-207-221-199.citykom.de) |
| 13:10.29 | Thrae | Pac, stop being an ass. If you "didn't know caps was on", the first message you typed and sent would have clued you in. |
| 13:10.54 | clad|work | Thrae: there are two guilds |
| 13:10.55 | clad|work | Register For Save |
| 13:10.59 | Shirik | 09:02:09 » Quit: |Jelly| ‹n=ChatZill@adsl-75-63-246-137.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net› ‹SendQ exceeded› |
| 13:11.01 | clad|work | and Load On Demand |
| 13:11.01 | Shirik | poor jelly :( |
| 13:11.03 | clad|work | I'm in both of them =) |
| 13:11.09 | clad|work | use them all the time, actually |
| 13:11.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:11.16 | Shirik | of course I never got invited |
| 13:11.20 | Shirik | I'm not one of the cool club |
| 13:11.24 | Thrae | clad|work: Servers? |
| 13:11.24 | clad|work | uhh |
| 13:11.26 | clad|work | Draka |
| 13:11.33 | clad|work | this is all posted in the stickies in the forums |
| 13:11.34 | clad|work | and on wowi |
| 13:11.36 | clad|work | bitchez. |
| 13:11.38 | Thrae | Both are on Draka? |
| 13:11.43 | Thrae | Well, I never read anything. |
| 13:11.49 | Shirik | yeah who reads stickies anyway |
| 13:11.55 | clad|work | heh |
| 13:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ spamsentry uses a lib not included in standalonelibs :( |
| 13:11.58 | krka | does freenode have any auto kicking for certain phrases? |
| 13:12.03 | clad|work | yeah, there's an alliance and a horde guild |
| 13:12.11 | clad|work | i can invite you to either |
| 13:12.15 | Shirik | hrm |
| 13:12.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge |Jelly| (n=ChatZill@adsl-75-63-246-137.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:12.19 | Shirik | which is Load on Demand? |
| 13:12.20 | clad|work | ther eis a running raid going since like.. 1.07 |
| 13:12.23 | clad|work | still hasn't shut down =) |
| 13:12.31 | clad|work | i need to log in to check, one sec =) |
| 13:12.35 | Thrae | krka: No, that's handled by a channel's bots. I think there are some generic ones running around, like purl, who can help with channel maintenance. |
| 13:12.51 | Shirik | 09:12:21 ‹krka› does freenode have any auto kicking for certain phrases? |
| 13:12.56 | krka | is purl set up for that? |
| 13:12.56 | Shirik | lolcode will soon be added to this |
| 13:12.58 | Shirik | no |
| 13:13.01 | Shirik | purl would need +o to do that |
| 13:13.09 | Wraanger | question .... as I understand, even local table lookupas generally eat moe memory than just hardcoding the values, yes ? |
| 13:13.16 | Thrae | Purl isn't a channel maintenance bot, he is an info bot / party favour. |
| 13:13.18 | purl | Thrae: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:13.18 | Josh_Borke | Wraanger: yes |
| 13:13.25 | Shirik | purl, be quiet |
| 13:13.27 | purl | Ah, shuddup. |
| 13:13.33 | clad|work | Load On Demand is the alliance guild |
| 13:13.49 | Wraanger | ummm ... need to think than )) |
| 13:13.53 | Shirik | I need a new name :( |
| 13:13.57 | Shirik | I can't make a female shirik |
| 13:14.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | shira |
| 13:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 13:14.23 | Thrae | clad|work: Which has the most devs from curse-gaming on it? I'll pick the other. Oooo, dev-ism! |
| 13:14.48 | Thrae | Shirik: Because your name closely matches "Shirk" from the Zelda series, who was female? |
| 13:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought it was Sheik |
| 13:15.18 | Thrae | Something like that, it had Sh--k, all Sh--k names are alike to me |
| 13:15.27 | Shirik | imo female names end in a vowel |
| 13:15.34 | zenzelezz | Shriik |
| 13:15.38 | Shirik | and are multi-syllabic |
| 13:15.41 | Thrae | Just like Ge---e can be George, Geode, etc. |
| 13:15.46 | Thrae | All the same! |
| 13:15.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | Geodude |
| 13:15.51 | Shirik | no. |
| 13:16.04 | zenzelezz | how about Karen? |
| 13:16.04 | Thrae | Shirik: Erm, that's romance language thinking. |
| 13:16.09 | Shirik | owowowowow |
| 13:16.14 | Shirik | addon error spam ftl |
| 13:16.23 | Shirik | SpamSentry definitely does not like new characters |
| 13:16.32 | Thrae | Germanic names don't have to end in a vowel |
| 13:16.36 | Shirik | nor does bongos |
| 13:16.53 | Thrae | In fact, they don't even need vowels |
| 13:17.07 | zenzelezz | that sounds more like Slavic languages |
| 13:17.09 | Thrae | There are probably Norweigan women named Frghgl |
| 13:17.15 | Shirik | -_- |
| 13:17.21 | zenzelezz | no, we have no words or names without vowels |
| 13:17.35 | Thrae | Yes you do, you crazy Fjords |
| 13:17.46 | zenzelezz | name one |
| 13:18.01 | Thrae | Look, your F and j are touching in an unnatural way! That's just crazy right there! |
| 13:18.11 | Thrae | I rest my case. |
| 13:18.21 | krka | fj is a common combination! |
| 13:18.28 | zenzelezz | we have a lot of crazy things about out language, but we still always use vowels |
| 13:18.39 | Shirik | fj? |
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| 13:18.53 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: i once had a conversation with a pair of teenagers who never used vowels |
| 13:19.13 | Thrae | Actually, now that I think about it, 'j' must have had some special meaning in the ancient Norse language. |
| 13:19.16 | zenzelezz | I r teh suck at English phonetic spelling, but I believe Fj is close to Phy (y as in "year") |
| 13:19.29 | Thrae | It's used in words like "Fjord", and "Mollinjir" |
| 13:19.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | Fjord with umlats and stuff |
| 13:19.33 | Shirik | load on demand does not exist :( |
| 13:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mjollnir isn't it |
| 13:19.39 | zenzelezz | we don't do umlats |
| 13:19.41 | Shirik | or rather, nobody online |
| 13:19.46 | zenzelezz | we have separate letters instead |
| 13:19.52 | Thrae | I use the alternate spelling of that mythical hammer, thank you very much. |
| 13:19.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | Myoal-neer |
| 13:20.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love halo fanboys that prononuce the spartan armor as Ma-jol-nur |
| 13:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i give them a history lesson :p |
| 13:20.38 | Thrae | Heh, I remember my old studies of Norse mythology... |
| 13:20.55 | Thrae | Thor used a magickal oven mitt to carry the hammer! Haha! |
| 13:21.00 | Thrae | You crazy Fjords. |
| 13:21.01 | zenzelezz | go back to the days of Tomb Raider (1), you'd find it funny how many Norwegian teenagers pronounced it "Tom--b Ray--der" |
| 13:21.19 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:21.27 | Shirik | poor zenzelezz :( |
| 13:21.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd find it funny how many english teenagers pronounced it tom--b ray-der |
| 13:21.35 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 13:21.35 | Shirik | everyone's making fun of him :( |
| 13:21.47 | krka | lua>print(string.char(50,51,52,53,54)) |
| 13:21.47 | clad|work | krka:lua> 23456 |
| 13:21.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | er i meant american |
| 13:21.56 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: then it all makes sense |
| 13:21.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i wouldn't be surprised if the limeys did it too |
| 13:21.58 | krka | lua>print(string.char(112,108,101,97,115,101,32,98,97,110,32,109,101,33,32,112,111,114,110,32,119,97,114,101,122,32,104,97,99,107,115,32,99,114,97,99,107,101,114,32,110,117,99,108,101,97,114,32,116,101,114,114,111,114,105,115,116,32,98,111,109,98,32,101,120,112,108,111,115,105,118,101,32,106,105,104,97,100)) |
| 13:21.59 | clad|work | krka:lua> please ban me! porn warez hacks cracker nuclear terrorist bomb explosive jihad |
| 13:22.06 | Shirik | ..... |
| 13:22.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | hhahaha |
| 13:22.15 | zenzelezz | Shirik: that's all right, they all have diminishing returns |
| 13:22.23 | Shirik | in all fairness krka |
| 13:22.34 | Shirik | most moderating bots will ignore all ops |
| 13:22.41 | Shirik | that would be a better test on Cide |
| 13:22.54 | krka | >>>print(string.char(112,108,101,97,115,101,32,98,97,110,32,109,101,33,32,112,111,114,110,32,119,97,114,101,122,32,104,97,99,107,115,32,99,114,97,99,107,101,114,32,110,117,99,108,101,97,114,32,116,101,114,114,111,114,105,115,116,32,98,111,109,98,32,101,120,112,108,111,115,105,118,101,32,106,105,104,97,100)) |
| 13:22.54 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah, British Teenagers pronounced it "Tum RAy-der" ;) |
| 13:22.54 | Cide | krka: "please ban me! porn warez hacks cracker nuclear terrorist bomb explosive jihad" |
| 13:23.04 | Shirik | so |
| 13:23.11 | Shirik | how long did it take you to look up the code for that? |
| 13:23.20 | krka | i used this: http://getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/text_to_ascii.html |
| 13:23.25 | Shirik | ah |
| 13:24.45 | krka | clad and cide are quiet... the fbi probably has them by now |
| 13:25.41 | Shirik | no, just Cairenn|afk |
| 13:25.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | British teenagers probably pronounced it "Toom RIDUH, you kno, dat game wit da layrah crawft with dose huge knockuhs" |
| 13:26.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 13:26.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't think of any english colloquialisms for breasts right now so i'm going to go with knockers and hope i'm right |
| 13:26.39 | krka | jeff seems to like breasts |
| 13:26.49 | krka | oliver says puppies |
| 13:27.17 | Pac | milk juggs |
| 13:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone run some crazy virus checks on this, i'm too paranoid to do it myself |
| 13:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108420507&sid=1 |
| 13:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 13:30.17 | Shirik | virus checks are overrated |
| 13:30.18 | Shirik | but ok |
| 13:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | alternatively i'll wait for more people to hit it up |
| 13:30.53 | Shirik | "This download is temporarily unavailable" |
| 13:31.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe some of the dummies from the forums will install it |
| 13:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and give a report back :O |
| 13:32.52 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: :-P |
| 13:32.58 | krka | just run it without any privileges |
| 13:33.14 | Shirik | you all are missing the fact that you have to download it first >< |
| 13:33.22 | Josh_Borke | huh? |
| 13:33.38 | Shirik | the "This download is temporarily unavailable" is somewhat putting a temporary stop in any investigation |
| 13:33.47 | Shirik | just slightly |
| 13:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | krka not everyone's using vista yet :O |
| 13:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | quite the opposite, actually :x |
| 13:35.00 | krka | i am not using vista either |
| 13:35.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do i run it without any privledges :o |
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| 13:35.24 | krka | change to a user without any rights |
| 13:35.38 | krka | run it with wine |
| 13:36.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | um |
| 13:36.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i was playing on linux, why would i worry about it having a virus in the first place :o |
| 13:36.30 | krka | it's possible, if you're running random executables |
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| 13:37.31 | clad|work | Luabot has been enabled, prefix a command with lua> to have me run it. |
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| 13:46.35 | mikma | lua> print"hello baby" |
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| 13:46.36 | clad|work | mikma:lua> hello baby |
| 13:46.46 | mikma | nice :D |
| 13:46.54 | xanithon_ | hello |
| 13:48.41 | Shirik | lol> HAI |
| 13:48.44 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:48.51 | Shirik | clad|work: get to work on that! |
| 13:49.03 | Shirik | xanithon_: hi |
| 13:49.14 | clad|work | lol |
| 13:49.21 | clad|work | find me a lua interpreter that i can run on the commandline |
| 13:49.28 | clad|work | and ensure there's no os.execute or arbitrary file writing |
| 13:49.29 | clad|work | and i will |
| 13:49.30 | clad|work | its easy |
| 13:49.42 | Shirik | a lol -> lua interpreter? |
| 13:49.46 | clad|work | no |
| 13:49.53 | clad|work | I just need a commandline lol intepreter |
| 13:49.58 | clad|work | i feed it a .lol |
| 13:49.58 | Shirik | you said lua :P |
| 13:49.59 | clad|work | it runs it. |
| 13:50.02 | clad|work | sorry |
| 13:50.14 | Shirik | what if I wrote it :D |
| 13:50.25 | [dRaCo] | some guy wrote a lol interpreter in perl |
| 13:50.27 | Shirik | standard C |
| 13:50.34 | clad|work | i just need an executable |
| 13:50.38 | clad|work | that i can run against a file |
| 13:50.42 | clad|work | and capture stdio |
| 13:50.43 | Shirik | if I gave you teh C code could you compile it? |
| 13:50.45 | clad|work | yes |
| 13:50.50 | clad|work | irnottehnub |
| 13:50.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:50.59 | Shirik | I'll see what I can do ;) |
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| 13:52.14 | krka | would be fun to mod the lua compiler to accept lolcode instead |
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| 13:55.06 | Shirik | I think that'll be my project over the next few days |
| 13:55.26 | krka | or just a preprocessor to lua |
| 13:56.01 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Welcome back :) |
| 13:56.18 | |Jelly| | Thanks |
| 13:56.25 | Shirik | your internet was so mad last night :P |
| 13:56.27 | Shirik | not even kidding |
| 13:56.43 | clad|work | Shirik: well hurry up |
| 13:56.45 | Shirik | you must have gotten DCed at least 100 times |
| 13:56.50 | Thunder_Child | really?, you should always be kidding |
| 13:56.57 | |Jelly| | Yeah. It doesn't like me uploading large things to friends while I sleep. |
| 13:57.02 | Shirik | haha |
| 13:57.06 | Shirik | clad|work: Ok if you rush me |
| 13:57.13 | clad|work | ;-) |
| 13:57.14 | Shirik | I'll be sure to throw in some buffer overflows you get to work out |
| 13:57.18 | Shirik | want that? ;) |
| 13:57.20 | clad|work | I'll just blame you |
| 13:57.24 | clad|work | from applescript |
| 13:57.29 | clad|work | say "no output, Shirik fucking sucks" |
| 13:57.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:57.51 | Shirik | ok WTF! |
| 13:57.58 | Shirik | just when I was starting to get used to curse again |
| 13:58.05 | Shirik | now they have ads appear right under your cursor |
| 13:58.08 | Thrae | lua> print("no output, Shirik fucking sucks") |
| 13:58.08 | clad|work | Thrae:lua> no output, Shirik fucking sucks |
| 13:58.08 | Shirik | right before you click stuff |
| 13:58.12 | Shirik | so you have to click the |
| 13:58.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:58.35 | Thrae | Shirik: Firefox + noscript is your friend. |
| 13:58.43 | Shirik | I like scripts |
| 13:59.01 | Thrae | Well I think Firefox w/o addons can block that too. |
| 13:59.41 | Thunder_Child | hey ckknight, the pitbull tutorial is up |
| 13:59.59 | Shirik | clad|work: You just want it to accept a file as input (as a parameter) and then output to stdout? |
| 14:00.08 | clad|work | yep |
| 14:00.09 | Shirik | or in from stdin? |
| 14:00.10 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:00.25 | Shirik | this will be a nice break |
| 14:00.27 | clad|work | :P |
| 14:00.31 | clad|work | i couldn't find the lolcode specs |
| 14:00.36 | Shirik | I haven't had a chance to use C for a while, I was getting disappointed |
| 14:00.38 | clad|work | i thought about it =) |
| 14:00.39 | krka | it has a spec? |
| 14:00.42 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 14:00.43 | Shirik | actually |
| 14:00.45 | clad|work | where? |
| 14:00.49 | Shirik | well a recommendation |
| 14:01.24 | clad|work | i might be able to breathe after wednesday |
| 14:01.26 | clad|work | and get other projects done |
| 14:01.29 | krka | the recommendation is to not use it |
| 14:01.32 | clad|work | like my ajax web based luabot |
| 14:01.42 | krka | ooh... i should make one of those |
| 14:01.48 | clad|work | #lua was asking for one |
| 14:01.53 | clad|work | there's a ruby interactive tutorial |
| 14:01.58 | clad|work | they were mentioning it and you the other day |
| 14:02.02 | Shirik | hrm |
| 14:02.04 | Shirik | maybe there isn't a spec |
| 14:02.07 | Shirik | oh well :( |
| 14:02.08 | krka | right, i remember reading that backlog |
| 14:02.11 | Shirik | I thought I had seen one |
| 14:02.13 | clad|work | I was just gonna adapt my sandbox for it |
| 14:02.14 | krka | making it interactive is tricky though |
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| 14:02.18 | clad|work | Shirik: you could still do it =) |
| 14:02.22 | Busko | hi |
| 14:02.23 | Shirik | yeah |
| 14:02.25 | Shirik | I still intend to |
| 14:02.27 | Shirik | hi Busko |
| 14:02.30 | Xanithon | hello |
| 14:02.48 | Busko | i was wondering if anyone could tell me where i could get some help with ACE2 and Fubar |
| 14:02.58 | Busko | just 2 small questions :P |
| 14:02.58 | Shirik | #wowace |
| 14:03.03 | Busko | oki thanx |
| 14:03.21 | clad|work | lua> print("vhaar: ACE is not an acronym, please use Ace") |
| 14:03.21 | clad|work | clad|work:lua> vhaar: ACE is not an acronym, please use Ace |
| 14:03.37 | Shirik | meh |
| 14:03.46 | Shirik | I think I'll start saying LUA all the time too |
| 14:03.49 | krka | i'm going to start acronyming WORDS at random |
| 14:03.51 | Shirik | everyone else does |
| 14:04.09 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 14:04.15 | Shirik | I think we ALL should |
| 14:04.42 | krka | i think PYTHON is a cool language |
| 14:04.46 | krka | and SCHEME |
| 14:04.56 | clad|work | oooh WWDC today |
| 14:05.04 | Shirik | WWDC? |
| 14:05.09 | krka | what IS WWDC? |
| 14:05.16 | clad|work | http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ |
| 14:05.38 | Shirik | that goes to apple site |
| 14:05.41 | Shirik | I refuse to click it |
| 14:05.45 | clad|work | ha |
| 14:05.48 | Thrae | ACE - Actual Certified Egotism. |
| 14:05.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:06.13 | Shirik | oh I've heard of this |
| 14:06.33 | Shirik | I think we should start capitalizing BLIZZ as an acronym |
| 14:10.39 | Thrae | BLIZZARD - Blatantly Lively Interactive Zionistic Zoo At centeR Drive |
| 14:10.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:11.03 | Shirik | you can't go taking the last letters |
| 14:11.11 | Thrae | I know, it was a stretch |
| 14:11.18 | Shirik | and I don't even know what that means >< |
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| 14:12.46 | Thrae | BLIZZARD - Blatantly Livid Irrational Zionistic Zoo Accumlating Rigid Development |
| 14:13.01 | Thrae | There. |
| 14:13.08 | Shirik | I'll accept that |
| 14:13.52 | Thrae | DONGLE - Dangerously Objective No Garbage Library Environment |
| 14:15.01 | zenzelezz | that can be debated |
| 14:15.22 | zenzelezz | someone set up us the sun :-/ |
| 14:15.38 | |Jelly| | kk -- gotta take my mom to the hospital; be back later |
| 14:16.00 | krka | are you gonna have a child / sibling? |
| 14:16.05 | Shirik | somebody set up us the bomb |
| 14:16.28 | |Jelly|bbl | No -- I might be down a mother and a grandfather in one week though. : / |
| 14:16.38 | Thrae | And, of course, LUA - LUA Universal Acronym |
| 14:16.47 | krka | oh... that sucks, sorry |
| 14:17.04 | |Jelly|bbl | It's not your fault. KK...really leaving. |
| 14:21.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge TS|Skrom_ (n=TS|Skrom@66.148.226.210.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 14:24.18 | Thunder_Child | LUA = Language Underneath Addons |
| 14:24.38 | zenzelezz | that's actually pretty good |
| 14:24.49 | Thunder_Child | ty, took me about 30 sec just now |
| 14:26.16 | Thunder_Child | ACE = Addons Created Easily |
| 14:26.33 | Xanithon | v. nice xD |
| 14:27.05 | Thunder_Child | BLIZZARD & DONGLE might take me a minute then...time to dry my hair |
| 14:27.09 | zenzelezz | although this one is rarely ever mistyped... |
| 14:27.22 | zenzelezz | COSMOS = Collection Of Several Meaningless Out-dated Scripts |
| 14:28.01 | zenzelezz | (and I'm not taking sides, I use neither Cosmos nor Ace or any collection/framework) |
| 14:29.03 | TS|Skrom_ | http://gigglesugar.com/276538 |
| 14:29.06 | TS|Skrom_ | enjoy! |
| 14:29.09 | Thrae | Thraemosce ftw! |
| 14:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thunder_Child = Ten huge unicorns nastily denying reality_Chewbacca hates imperial light drives |
| 14:30.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i |
| 14:30.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't know |
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| 14:30.31 | weavor | hello |
| 14:30.42 | zenzelezz | my nick usually generates some funky acronyms |
| 14:30.42 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 14:31.07 | weavor | So I finelly found you guys |
| 14:31.31 | zenzelezz | well done |
| 14:31.49 | zenzelezz | beware of Cairenn |
| 14:32.04 | weavor | will they eat me? |
| 14:32.11 | zenzelezz | she |
| 14:32.17 | zenzelezz | and probably not, but she may bite |
| 14:32.23 | weavor | notice I didnt specify gender..... |
| 14:32.42 | weavor | biting is ok |
| 14:32.43 | zenzelezz | I am aware of that, but for all her greatness she is not plural |
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| 14:33.06 | Thunder_Child | except when pregnant |
| 14:33.27 | weavor | agreed then they may just eat you |
| 14:33.34 | zenzelezz | I don't think that happens very often TC |
| 14:33.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | man, that toxic one, TS|Skrom_ |
| 14:34.01 | Thunder_Child | but you dont know for sure |
| 14:34.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like, exact |
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| 14:34.25 | TS|Skrom_ | huh? |
| 14:34.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | that video you linked |
| 14:34.37 | weavor | Pregnent...Women get pregnent everyday...you see its when a man and a women love each other very much..... |
| 14:34.45 | TS|Skrom_ | which one? i had sound off when I watched it |
| 14:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the blood elf/britney spears one |
| 14:34.52 | TS|Skrom_ | ohh |
| 14:34.54 | zenzelezz | yes, but I don't think Cairenn gets pregnant every day |
| 14:34.57 | zenzelezz | though I have no proof |
| 14:35.05 | Thrae | Cairenn gets pregnent every day |
| 14:35.20 | zenzelezz | she'll enjoy this log |
| 14:35.31 | Thrae | However, she has not been pregnant, as far as I know. |
| 14:35.43 | zenzelezz | she has an offspring |
| 14:36.18 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 14:36.21 | Thrae | Cairenn had her own add-on person at one time? |
| 14:36.37 | zenzelezz | still does AFAIK |
| 14:36.44 | TS|Skrom_ | in that context would a cesarian be a mod, not an addon? |
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| 14:37.09 | Thunder_Child | no, the child as an addon |
| 14:37.11 | mikma | i hate colorpicker and myself |
| 14:37.13 | Thrae | All humans were once add-ons to their mothers, later to become compliations of both parents and the human genom ;) |
| 14:37.24 | Thunder_Child | s/as/is/ |
| 14:37.31 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Fu-z-logic (n=ma3lstro@24.248.218.242) |
| 14:37.46 | zenzelezz | a child is more of a merge between a fork of the parents |
| 14:37.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think my brain just exploded from all the nerdiness eminating from here |
| 14:38.01 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Mr_Rabies2 |
| 14:38.01 | purl | blasts Mr_Rabies2 with a huge firehose then strangles Mr_Rabies2 with it |
| 14:38.06 | weavor | I resent that Im a geek not a nerd |
| 14:38.25 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Hence why incest is wrong -- too many forks from forks cause stack overflow |
| 14:38.41 | Thunder_Child | only by 2% |
| 14:38.46 | TS|Skrom_ | *boom* |
| 14:38.55 | weavor | Ok...Now that we have hashed out the problem |
| 14:39.06 | Thunder_Child | bad pun >.< |
| 14:39.15 | weavor | ofcourse |
| 14:39.19 | zenzelezz | TC loves puns |
| 14:39.23 | zenzelezz | more than anything |
| 14:39.23 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 14:39.29 | Thunder_Child | ~slay zenzelezz |
| 14:39.40 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, zenzelezz!" apt lops off zenzelezz's head. |
| 14:39.40 | TS|Skrom_ | except maybe ice cream |
| 14:39.52 | zenzelezz | I scream in the sun |
| 14:40.02 | Thunder_Child | that would make you a vampire |
| 14:40.04 | Thrae | "When a man loves a woman who loves a horse who loves a cow...OK wait, stop, this is getting pretty fucked up here." |
| 14:40.05 | zenzelezz | name the game |
| 14:40.55 | zenzelezz | no-one? It was the name of one of the race tracks in Carmageddon |
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| 14:41.10 | zenzelezz | pun on "ice cream in the sun" |
| 14:41.17 | weavor | Yeah questions on Forms |
| 14:42.08 | weavor | can one mod have multiple forms |
| 14:42.10 | Thunder_Child | right zen, because people actuly raced in caramgeddon.... |
| 14:42.23 | [Ammo] | I race in carmageddon |
| 14:42.33 | Thunder_Child | i kill |
| 14:42.33 | zenzelezz | I pity the fool that don't enjoy such quality puns |
| 14:42.34 | TS|Skrom_ | form or frame |
| 14:42.37 | [Ammo] | in fact it's the only game I play outside of WoW :) |
| 14:42.42 | [Ammo] | carmageddon 2 that is |
| 14:42.49 | TS|Skrom_ | or combine their power to be frome |
| 14:42.54 | Thunder_Child | they have a 3rd |
| 14:42.55 | zenzelezz | the race name was right there on the screen every time before you entered the race |
| 14:43.07 | weavor | OK...quite new like 2 day's at this so I think form |
| 14:43.34 | weavor | ugh spelling |
| 14:44.02 | weavor | Mod loads shows main *frame* |
| 14:44.34 | weavor | have button for another *frame* |
| 14:44.53 | weavor | cant seem to get to load |
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| 14:45.03 | TS|Skrom_ | did you check your framexml.log file? |
| 14:45.23 | weavor | no ? |
| 14:45.31 | TS|Skrom | Would be a good way to check for errors in your xml |
| 14:45.38 | weavor | where would I find that again very new |
| 14:45.40 | TS|Skrom | wowdirectory/logs/framexml |
| 14:45.44 | TS|Skrom | .loc |
| 14:45.52 | TS|Skrom | log* |
| 14:46.14 | weavor | Ill check now |
| 14:47.12 | weavor | If it logs anyproblems in the XML I have none |
| 14:47.38 | TS|Skrom | you read the whole thing already eh? :P |
| 14:47.49 | weavor | yes very small 15lines or so |
| 14:48.01 | zenzelezz | what do you mean "whole thing"? My FrameXML.log never goes past 10 øomes |
| 14:48.06 | zenzelezz | nor lines |
| 14:48.19 | TS|Skrom | mines pretty big usually |
| 14:48.36 | TS|Skrom | I mean it's a log of every addon being loaded, and I run quite a few |
| 14:48.47 | zenzelezz | I don't :) |
| 14:48.55 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 14:49.42 | weavor | Well, I disabled most of my mods so I could work on this...only kept a couple on |
| 14:49.43 | Thunder_Child | hmmm..mine is 1693 lines long |
| 14:49.51 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 14:50.16 | Thunder_Child | although quite a number of those lines are "6/10 21:52:22.742 Couldn't find inherited node: VFLFontSmall" |
| 14:50.28 | TS|Skrom | weavor no errors in the log typically just means that you didn't leave any tags undone, that the files are loading in the right order (no parenting problems, etc). You could still have issues causing the frames not to show if for example you set the "hidden" tag on one of the frames, or didn't give it any anchors |
| 14:50.53 | zenzelezz | or any visible elements |
| 14:51.18 | TS|Skrom | mine's 5436 lines long when I'm playing |
| 14:51.49 | TS|Skrom | when modding I only load the addon I'm working on, devtools and myDebug |
| 14:51.53 | weavor | ok maybe Im just not set yet...but I am using WoWUi Designer, and created 2 Form.xml |
| 14:52.13 | TS|Skrom | no offense to whoever made that program but man does it bloat the xml files |
| 14:52.41 | TS|Skrom | and I had a hard time getting some parts to even work right for example when adding script tags to the frame |
| 14:53.38 | weavor | Forgive me....Im just used to a IDE like MS Dev Enviorment |
| 14:53.59 | TS|Skrom | sorry didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation that's just my experience : |
| 14:54.13 | weavor | NP.... |
| 14:54.14 | TS|Skrom | if you wanna post your xml file to http://wowi.pastey.net I'm sure someone will look at it |
| 14:54.30 | TS|Skrom | I will look too but since I'm not as good someone else will prolly answer before me :P |
| 14:55.48 | weavor | My. thanks I will but could it be the LUA? |
| 14:55.49 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:56.14 | weavor | Lua |
| 14:56.24 | krka | i'm already loving my new irssi script |
| 14:56.30 | TS|Skrom | O.o |
| 14:57.32 | Cide | LUA hi krka? |
| 14:57.32 | krka | Cide: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:57.35 | Cide | nice |
| 14:57.50 | TS|Skrom | what if you were simply shouting LUA |
| 14:57.51 | weavor | LUA |
| 14:57.51 | krka | TS|Skrom: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:57.51 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:58.04 | Kaso | LUA LUA |
| 14:58.05 | krka | Kaso: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:58.09 | weavor | Does someone have LUA script |
| 14:58.09 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:58.14 | TS|Skrom | must resist urge to... LUA |
| 14:58.15 | krka | TS|Skrom: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:58.30 | weavor | And if aI go to a LUAowl |
| 14:58.30 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:59.13 | Kaso | i loLUAre silly |
| 14:59.13 | krka | Kaso: Lua is not an acronym. |
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| 14:59.42 | Josh_Borke | LUA |
| 14:59.42 | krka | Josh_Borke: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:59.51 | Josh_Borke | loLUA |
| 14:59.52 | krka | Josh_Borke: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:00.01 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:00.01 | weavor | LUA LUA LUA LUA |
| 15:00.02 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:00.13 | LUA | Test.. |
| 15:00.20 | LUA | damn ! |
| 15:00.27 | LUA | My name, LUA doesnt set it off! |
| 15:00.28 | krka | LUA: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:00.32 | pur1 | LUA |
| 15:00.32 | krka | pur1: Lua is not an acronym. |
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| 15:00.55 | weavor | man thats areal LUAser |
| 15:00.56 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:01.52 | Aella | For some reason, that makes me want to define TINAA. |
| 15:02.04 | Aella | This Is Not An Acronym. |
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| 15:02.54 | TS|Skrom | I'm thinking of going to Louisianna University of the Arts, you know good old LUA? |
| 15:02.54 | krka | TS|Skrom: Lua is not an acronym. |
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| 15:03.20 | Kaso | did we break krka? |
| 15:03.26 | JoshBorke | did we? LUA |
| 15:03.26 | krka | break me? |
| 15:03.29 | Kaso | with all this LUA talk!? |
| 15:03.30 | krka | i broke myself :) |
| 15:03.35 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 15:04.12 | TS|Skrom | leave it to WoW-I lounge to take a positive script and twist it |
| 15:04.13 | krka | ok, try again |
| 15:04.13 | clad|work | LUA |
| 15:04.14 | krka | clad|work: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:04.17 | krka | again |
| 15:04.22 | clad|work | LUA |
| 15:04.23 | clad|work | in the face |
| 15:04.35 | Aella | LUA? |
| 15:04.39 | clad|work | Anyone familiar with \028 \029 \030 and \031 historically? |
| 15:04.40 | Aella | borken |
| 15:04.41 | MoonWolf | Lua Uppercase Acronym |
| 15:04.45 | krka | appears to be working |
| 15:04.49 | krka | i'll only say it once a minute |
| 15:04.49 | clad|work | I know they're file, group, record and unit seperators |
| 15:04.55 | clad|work | but what is group? |
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| 15:05.09 | TS|Skrom | odd I thought they were just sequential numbers |
| 15:05.17 | TS|Skrom | LUAearned something new today! |
| 15:05.17 | Aella | TS|Skrom: the characters. |
| 15:05.17 | krka | TS|Skrom: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:05.40 | Aella | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.56 | MoonWolf | but LUA is |
| 15:05.56 | krka | MoonWolf: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:06.24 | MoonWolf | i know |
| 15:06.32 | MoonWolf | lua is moon in portugese |
| 15:06.49 | TS|Skrom | would krka go into self chastisement if he accidently set his message to say LUA is not an acronym? |
| 15:08.09 | Kaso | >>> print("\76\85\65") |
| 15:08.09 | Cide | Kaso: "LUA" |
| 15:08.10 | krka | Cide: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:08.15 | Kaso | yah get told cide! |
| 15:09.47 | weavor | SO then we could call you LUAwolf |
| 15:09.48 | krka | weavor: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:10.29 | weavor | Pasted guys |
| 15:10.55 | TS|Skrom | link? |
| 15:11.14 | weavor | 56688 |
| 15:11.17 | Aella | >>> "Lua is not an acronym.":upper() -- I is liking this |
| 15:11.18 | Cide | Aella: [string ""Lua is not an acronym.":upper() -- I is liking this"]:1: unexpected symbol near '"Lua is not an acronym."' |
| 15:12.01 | Aella | >>> ("Lua is not an acronym."):upper() |
| 15:12.02 | Cide | Aella: "LUA IS NOT AN ACRONYM." |
| 15:12.02 | Cide | Aella: "LUA IS NOT AN ACRONYM." |
| 15:12.02 | krka | Cide: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:12.11 | weavor | Nothing wrong with XML im sure, maybe the LUA |
| 15:12.41 | weavor | ? |
| 15:12.56 | weavor | no LUA is not an Acronym? |
| 15:13.07 | weavor | BUT IT IS!!!!!!! |
| 15:13.08 | Aella | Only happens once a minute. |
| 15:13.17 | weavor | :( |
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| 15:14.01 | JoshBorke | LUA |
| 15:14.19 | cog|work | Lua |
| 15:14.20 | weavor | disabled the script maybe... |
| 15:14.29 | cog|work | like Mac, not MAC |
| 15:14.35 | Aella | Indeed. |
| 15:14.47 | Osagasu | I think you all have your first meme. |
| 15:14.50 | Osagasu | Congrats. |
| 15:15.30 | JoshBorke | cog|work: so, it's not LUA but Lua? |
| 15:15.41 | TS|Skrom | weavor I don't find your script on wowi.pastey.net |
| 15:15.46 | cog|work | yep. it's not an abbreviation |
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| 15:15.58 | JoshBorke | that's good to know, i wasn't sure |
| 15:16.10 | weavor | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/56688?lang=xml |
| 15:16.16 | cog|work | JoshBorke: http://www.lua.org/about.html |
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| 15:16.19 | Osagasu | Lua is a word. LUA is an acronym. Wine is a word. WINE is acronym... ho hum. |
| 15:16.57 | Bam__ | is there a way to programatically figure out if a spell is self-only, friend-only, or enemy-only spell? |
| 15:17.05 | JoshBorke | cog|work: kill-joy |
| 15:17.23 | Kaso | i thought Wine was still an acronym, just one they decided to write with upper case first letter lower rest |
| 15:17.29 | Aella | Bam__: Not as far as I'm aware. |
| 15:17.42 | Bam__ | Aella: yea seems that way :( |
| 15:18.03 | Bam__ | anyone know of an addon or library with that kind of spell data? |
| 15:18.04 | cog|work | there's a lot of information like that which is all handled server-side and/or C-side |
| 15:18.48 | Bam__ | yea, doesn't seem like it can be obtained from the tooltip description either |
| 15:18.50 | Osagasu | Their personal preference doesn't change the fact that grammatically speaking, acronyms are put in all upper case. |
| 15:19.36 | Busko | hey guys |
| 15:19.43 | Busko | anyone use moveanything addon ? |
| 15:19.55 | Kaso | Osagasu, in england actually that isnt as set in stone, we had a debate abouts this on wowwiki the other day |
| 15:20.59 | weavor | Bam___ you can use TargetNearestFriend(); or TargetNearestEnemy(); would basicly disable your spells that couldnt be cast |
| 15:21.00 | Osagasu | Bloody brits. |
| 15:21.16 | Bam__ | weavor: interesting idea |
| 15:21.47 | Kaso | We like Nato and Unicef and whatnot, but hey thats just us |
| 15:22.08 | Bam__ | weavor: ah wait.. those functions are protected, arent they? |
| 15:22.22 | weavor | I use threm in a macro |
| 15:22.25 | TS|Skrom | weavor on the xml you posted what isn't happening" |
| 15:22.26 | TS|Skrom | ? |
| 15:22.36 | Bam__ | yea but can't use them from an addon I believe |
| 15:22.55 | Kaso | my opinion is it should be captitalised when you say it as letters "RPG", "PHP", "SQL", but when its said like a word, it is treaded like a word, "Nasa", "Nato", "Lua" "Wine" etc. |
| 15:22.58 | weavor | thats only 1 of the forms I have a duplicate that loads another body frame |
| 15:23.20 | Osagasu | Over here they're both in all upper case last I saw. |
| 15:23.25 | weavor | basicly want two forms |
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| 15:23.37 | weavor | need to load one from another |
| 15:23.48 | JoshBorke | so never LUA? |
| 15:23.53 | TS|Skrom | sooo the second isn't loading? |
| 15:23.59 | weavor | right |
| 15:24.04 | TS|Skrom | are they named the same thign? |
| 15:24.12 | weavor | but its exactly the same form |
| 15:24.24 | weavor | nope form1, and form2 respectivly |
| 15:24.45 | cog|work | Kaso: Lua isn't an abbreviation in the first place |
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| 15:24.53 | cog|work | it's the portugese word for moon |
| 15:25.15 | cog|work | But you can use Radar & Laser instead :P |
| 15:25.18 | TS|Skrom | I just did a ctrl+f search of your post and don't see form1 mentioned anywhere. where are you naming them? |
| 15:25.26 | cog|work | and Scuba |
| 15:25.33 | TS|Skrom | only name I see is InSiteForm |
| 15:25.37 | weavor | InsiteForm |
| 15:25.42 | weavor | InsiteForm1 |
| 15:25.50 | weavor | those are the names |
| 15:25.52 | TS|Skrom | okay |
| 15:26.42 | Kaso | cog|work true, i shouldnt have used that example :> LUA is not an acronym! |
| 15:29.35 | TS|Skrom | weavor only thing I can see maybe is that alot of your buttons are labled "ButtonChat" or things like that, instead of "$parentButtonChat" |
| 15:29.40 | TS|Skrom | those names would conflict on the second form |
| 15:30.25 | weavor | so second form would not load because of that |
| 15:30.58 | TS|Skrom | It might load but it wouldn't load the buttons |
| 15:31.13 | TS|Skrom | someone correct me if I'm wrong of course :P |
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| 15:31.55 | TS|Skrom | from the way I understand it though, frame definitions (aka <button name="xx"> are treated as global variables |
| 15:32.03 | TS|Skrom | hence you can only have one with a certain name |
| 15:32.36 | weavor | Ok so maybe there is a better way....In my XML there is a Body section, I only need to change that part of the GUI...better way of doing this |
| 15:32.42 | JoshBorke | so LUA is an acronym in here? |
| 15:33.08 | JoshBorke | aw, he throttles it |
| 15:35.58 | weavor | It is actully called $parentPanel4 |
| 15:38.58 | TC-Working | ~moo |
| 15:39.13 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
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| 15:47.41 | TC-Working | pfft, LUA is an acronym. (07:24:20) (Thunder_Child) LUA = Language Underneath Addons |
| 15:47.41 | krka | TC-Working: Lua is not an acronym. |
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| 15:48.12 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 15:48.27 | cog|work | s/P:/:P/ |
| 15:49.41 | TS|Skrom | weavor I'm looking at line 597 specifically |
| 15:49.58 | TS|Skrom | <Button name="ButtonRoster" text="Roster"> |
| 15:50.08 | weavor | yeah |
| 15:50.21 | TS|Skrom | try <Button name="$parentButtonRoster" text="Roster"> see if you get any difference. |
| 15:50.24 | TC-Working | cog|work, i have no irony |
| 15:50.37 | weavor | Alright one sec |
| 15:51.40 | TS|Skrom | also if teh files are duplicates... this one is set to be anchored at 0,0 in UIParent, if the other is as well, and has identical features... well you may be getting two frames and not even notice since they'd be right on top of each other :p |
| 15:51.48 | TC-Working | i am as pure as the driven snow.....why driven? |
| 15:51.48 | TS|Skrom | one more thing while I'm thinking about it and before I get distracted by real work again. Are you calling both of the xml files from your toc? |
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| 15:52.04 | weavor | In my button script I have :hide(); and :show(); |
| 15:52.47 | weavor | Ill will have to double check that |
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| 15:53.27 | TS|Skrom | laod up the addon devtools (can be found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html ) once loaded type /dtframestack |
| 15:53.41 | TS|Skrom | will pop up a window that will show what frames your mouse is hovering on |
| 15:54.00 | TC-Working | TS|Skrom, ~devtools is prolly easier |
| 15:54.10 | TS|Skrom | hrm? |
| 15:54.17 | weavor | K, ill get those and yes the Forms are in my toc |
| 15:54.33 | TC-Working | for the whole, what it is and where you can get it statement |
| 15:54.44 | TS|Skrom | ohh hehe |
| 15:54.57 | TS|Skrom | purl is back I take it? |
| 15:55.14 | TC-Working | ~devtools |
| 15:55.25 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
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| 15:55.38 | TC-Working | i would say yes...but a little slow |
| 15:55.49 | TS|Skrom | lol well either way I found it for him :P |
| 15:56.01 | weavor | hanks |
| 15:56.05 | weavor | thanks |
| 15:56.11 | TS|Skrom | my pleasure |
| 15:56.39 | weavor | Well Ill see what I can do with the info you gave me appreciate your help and see you again |
| 15:57.01 | TS|Skrom | even if I don't know much beyond getting my own addson coded, I like to help with what little knowledge I do have (which is mainly pointing people to the same places I was pointed to :P |
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| 16:06.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol took me like 2 years of lua to uderstand those the functions are the same ( http://wowi.pastey.net/56690 ) :P |
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| 16:08.22 | Kaso | |FF|Im2good4u ever done ternary operator in lua? |
| 16:08.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | maybe i dunno wut ternary is though :P |
| 16:09.35 | Kaso | if t.var > 5 then t.text = "five" else t.text = "zero" end becomes t.text = (t.var > 5 and "five" or"zero") |
| 16:10.43 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.47 | Cide | or rather |
| 16:10.53 | Cide | bool_expr ? true_expr : false_expr |
| 16:11.06 | Kaso | I love them to bits. |
| 16:11.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | 6^ though that only worked in C lol |
| 16:11.31 | Cide | there's no operator for it in lua, but short-circuit logic makes it work |
| 16:11.35 | Cide | (in most cases) |
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| 16:11.50 | Kaso | which cases doesnt it work? |
| 16:11.57 | TS|Skrom | short-circuit logic: NO DISASSEMBLE, STEPHANIE |
| 16:11.58 | Cide | when true_statement evaluates to false |
| 16:12.11 | Cide | despite bool_expr evaluating to false |
| 16:12.17 | Cide | s/false/true/ |
| 16:14.16 | Cide | >>> true and nil or 5 |
| 16:14.16 | Cide | Cide: 5 |
| 16:14.16 | Cide | should be nil |
| 16:14.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | so basicly (t.var > 5 and "five") returns "five" instead of true ? |
| 16:14.16 | Cide | yes |
| 16:14.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | funny |
| 16:14.17 | Cide | it returns "five" or false, depending on whether or not t.var is greater than 5 |
| 16:14.17 | Cide | >>> t = { var = 7 }; return ( t.var > 5 and "five" ) |
| 16:14.17 | Cide | Cide: "five" |
| 16:14.17 | Cide | >>> t = { var = 4 }; return ( t.var > 5 and "five" ) |
| 16:14.17 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 16:14.30 | Kaso | the ever popular use of it is functionThatRequiresAString(var or "") |
| 16:15.03 | Cide | I commonly use var = var or defaultValue |
| 16:15.16 | Cide | which is the same principle of course |
| 16:15.29 | Kaso | TS|Skrom you nerd |
| 16:16.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | hm i expected (t.var > 5 and "five") to end up in a logical true or fasle but it actualy keeps the real values of then that usefull knowedge |
| 16:17.20 | TS|Skrom | Kaso it was a moment of weakness |
| 16:17.53 | Cide | "and" returns the left-hand side's value if false, otherwise the right-hand side's value |
| 16:18.00 | Cide | >>> false and 5, nil and 5 |
| 16:18.00 | Cide | Cide: false, nil |
| 16:18.09 | Cide | >>> true and 5, true and false |
| 16:18.09 | Cide | Cide: 5, false |
| 16:18.13 | Cide | >>> true and nil |
| 16:18.13 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 16:18.32 | Cide | note that if the left-hand side's value is false, the right-hand side's value is not even evaluated |
| 16:18.42 | Cide | (commonly referred to as short-circuit logic) |
| 16:19.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm yes i readed that in the manuel but i never though about using it like that :P |
| 16:20.40 | *** part/#wowi-lounge cog|work (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com) |
| 16:22.56 | JoshBorke | >>> a = function() print("Woot") end; true and a or nil; |
| 16:22.57 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "a = function() print("Woot") end; true and a or nil;"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'true' |
| 16:23.11 | JoshBorke | >>> a = function() print("Woot") end true and a or nil |
| 16:23.11 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "a = function() print("Woot") end true and a or nil"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'true' |
| 16:23.13 | krka | >>> false and (function() while 1 do end end)() |
| 16:23.13 | Cide | krka: false |
| 16:23.14 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 16:23.17 | krka | >>> true and (function() while 1 do end end)() |
| 16:23.22 | Cide | krka: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:23.24 | JoshBorke | krka is mean |
| 16:23.26 | krka | proof of short circuit |
| 16:23.30 | krka | nah, that wasnt mean |
| 16:23.32 | JoshBorke | i heard LUA was a acronym |
| 16:23.41 | JoshBorke | drat |
| 16:23.43 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 16:23.50 | TS|Skrom | haha |
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| 16:24.39 | TC-Working | how come it never works for you JoshBorke |
| 16:24.50 | JoshBorke | i dunno |
| 16:24.57 | TC-Working | LUA |
| 16:25.05 | krka | i only do it once every 15 minutes at the most |
| 16:25.07 | JoshBorke | krka just doesn't like me |
| 16:25.09 | TC-Working | ah |
| 16:25.16 | krka | regardless of channel |
| 16:25.17 | TC-Working | still it IS an acronym |
| 16:25.22 | krka | in this case, it was triggered earlier in #lua |
| 16:25.22 | TC-Working | i did prove that |
| 16:26.12 | TS|Skrom | holy cow it's almost lunch time |
| 16:26.31 | TS|Skrom | odd choice of words now that I think on it. |
| 16:26.48 | TS|Skrom | considering that depending on where I go for lunch I may very well have a holy cow |
| 16:27.11 | TC-Working | really, where can you get your meat with holes in it? |
| 16:27.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Aella (n=Aella@74.221.43.140) |
| 16:27.18 | TS|Skrom | White Castle |
| 16:27.26 | TS|Skrom | (depending where you live you'll know the name) |
| 16:27.50 | TS|Skrom | the burgers there have little holes like swiss cheese |
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| 16:30.29 | TS|Skrom | Krystal burger if you have them is similar (dunno about the holes though :D) |
| 16:30.40 | TC-Working | i know the name...they just dont have them out here |
| 16:30.47 | TC-Working | either name |
| 16:31.09 | TS|Skrom | yeah I think white castle is a midwest thing |
| 16:31.25 | TC-Working | really, i thought it was an east coast thing |
| 16:31.42 | TS|Skrom | maybe it's midwest to east :D |
| 16:31.47 | TS|Skrom | I'm in ST. Louis and we have WC |
| 16:32.21 | TC-Working | i'm in cali and i know for a fact it isnt out here...closest thing is the freezer section |
| 16:33.36 | Kaso | lua> function modifyFunction(func,stringInFunc,stringToReplace) local funcText = string.dump(func) funcText = funcText:gsub(string.char(stringInFunc:len()+1), string.char(stringToReplace:len()+1)) funcText = funcText:gsub(stringInFunc,stringToReplace) local ret,err = loadstring(funcText) if ret then return ret else error(err) end end print(modifyFunction(function() return "This is a test" end,"This is a test","This is a Banana")()) |
| 16:33.36 | clad|work | Kaso:lua> maximum memory (5000 KiB) exceeded |
| 16:33.52 | Kaso | hu? how did i excede 5mb? |
| 16:34.15 | Kaso | lua> print"test" |
| 16:34.16 | clad|work | Kaso:lua> test |
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| 16:36.38 | Kaso | clad|work, sup with that? |
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| 16:37.31 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/45929 (code with tabs/newlines) |
| 16:37.41 | clad|work | Kaso: ? |
| 16:37.48 | Cide | >>> http://pastey.net/45929 |
| 16:37.50 | Cide | Cide: [string "function modifyFunction(func,stringInFunc,s..."]:9: binary string: bad constant in precompiled chunk |
| 16:37.57 | Kaso | yah your one doesnt like it cide |
| 16:38.11 | Kaso | My function shouldnt have hit 5mb clad|work it has no loops or whatever |
| 16:38.20 | Kaso | just a couple of string manips and a loadstring |
| 16:38.36 | Cide | um |
| 16:38.45 | Elkano | lua> function modifyFunction(func,stringInFunc,stringToReplace) local funcText = string.dump(func) funcText = funcText:gsub(string.char(stringInFunc:len()+1), string.char(stringToReplace:len()+1)) funcText = funcText:gsub(stringInFunc,stringToReplace) local ret,err = loadstring(funcText) if ret then return ret else error(err) end end |
| 16:38.46 | clad|work | Elkano:lua> No output |
| 16:38.50 | Cide | not sure why my code would get that error if it's not a problem with your code |
| 16:39.09 | Cide | are you sure it works? |
| 16:39.27 | Kaso | function() return "This is a test" end -> modifyFunction() -> This is a Banana |
| 16:39.34 | Kaso | on my stand alone lua that results |
| 16:40.27 | mikma | has anyone played around with ColorPickerFrame? |
| 16:40.29 | Kaso | Im altering the actual compiled bytecode, so i could be some platform differences causing a problem, or something |
| 16:40.41 | mikma | i'm having some interesting problem with 2 colorpickers in same code hehe |
| 16:43.54 | mikma | http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Micker/Micker.lua <- if I use either of the slashcommands, values for another colorpicker gets reset to defaults |
| 16:46.33 | zenzelezz | does it show more than one color picker on the screen? |
| 16:47.31 | mikma | nope, just the one picker. but, if i start with ie. backgroundcolor picker (red) and set it to blue, then go to bordercolor picker and set it to green, the backgroundcolor gets reset to red |
| 16:47.47 | mikma | so it's like set other, another gets reset |
| 16:49.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 16:49.11 | zenzelezz | I'm not familiar with color pickers, so take this with a grain of salt, but it looks like both the slash commands's functions blindly reset the values for the picker, ignoring whatever the previous one did (if it was open) |
| 16:50.14 | Nom- | http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/the_spy_who_billed_me/2007/06/exclusive_offic.html <-- lol, oops? |
| 16:50.54 | zenzelezz | actually, may just be me misunderstanding |
| 16:51.14 | Nom- | zzz |
| 16:51.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope that rumor about nihilium being supported by a gold selling company is true :O |
| 16:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loves me some drama |
| 16:51.58 | Aella | Doesn't need to be true to be drama. |
| 16:52.10 | Cide | doesn't matter anyway |
| 16:52.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's bigger drama if it's true though :D |
| 16:52.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if bans come down the line as a result |
| 16:52.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll be bigger than the arena DQs |
| 16:52.57 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter if they're supported by one as long as they haven't bought from them |
| 16:53.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, that's what i'm hoping |
| 16:53.29 | zenzelezz | and why? |
| 16:53.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | that "supported by" means given gold |
| 16:53.45 | MoonWolf | its not illegal to sponsor a guild even if you are a gold selling company |
| 16:53.51 | zenzelezz | did their downing the bosses so fast somehow interfere with your play? |
| 16:53.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have a sponsors section on their site |
| 16:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and a supporters section |
| 16:54.02 | MoonWolf | selling gold is also not illegal, only a breaking of the terms of service. |
| 16:54.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | the supporters are the gold sellers |
| 16:54.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz |
| 16:54.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | guilds like that are usually huge drama bombs |
| 16:54.36 | zenzelezz | I've never seen it |
| 16:54.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't hope they get banned if they did nothing wrong |
| 16:55.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if they did i'll be grinning for a while if they get caught |
| 16:55.43 | MoonWolf | Lets be very honest here, Blizzard watches high end raiding guilds like a hawk |
| 16:55.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because most of those guilds feel entitled to special treatment and when they're denied they turn into drama bombs |
| 16:55.54 | Guillotine | Mr_Rabies2: "that "supported by" means given gold" if they were just given gold, they technically did nothing wrong. If they bought it, then they might have action taken against them |
| 16:55.56 | MoonWolf | if there was something to act on, it would have happend already. |
| 16:56.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Aella (n=Aella@74.221.43.140) |
| 16:56.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | Blizzard has no way to tell if they purchased it or not |
| 16:56.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm is it posable to scan inside closed Headers on the faction tab (GetFactionInfo()) |
| 16:56.35 | TS|Skrom | lol omg |
| 16:56.43 | Guillotine | no, you have to open them, scan, close them |
| 16:56.45 | TS|Skrom | I just got a gold seller spam whisper |
| 16:56.48 | Guillotine | iirc |
| 16:56.48 | TS|Skrom | so I reported it |
| 16:56.57 | TS|Skrom | then tried to add him to friends list to see how long it takes |
| 16:57.03 | TS|Skrom | not fast enough: "Player not found" |
| 16:57.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, GMs are fast on those reports |
| 16:57.18 | Guillotine | someone had probably already reported him as well |
| 16:57.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think one of my addons is supressing my report option |
| 16:58.27 | TS|Skrom | wonder if they do ip bans on the spammers |
| 16:58.38 | TS|Skrom | could potentially take care of quite a few at once at least for a little while |
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| 16:59.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | ip bans tend to be unreliable |
| 16:59.07 | Cide | hm |
| 16:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if they're playing from a cybercafe |
| 16:59.39 | TS|Skrom | I guess that's a possibility but I'm still picturing some sort of sweatshop |
| 16:59.40 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 17:00.05 | Cide | I thought the format of "custom" iterators was iteratorfunc, constant, variable? |
| 17:00.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's really no reliable thing to do other than keep banning accounts |
| 17:00.36 | TC-Working | TS|Skrom, reporting it auto ignores an account, and you cannot add an ignored account to friends list |
| 17:00.37 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil (too lazy to open my browser) |
| 17:00.41 | TC-Working | err..not account, but name |
| 17:01.03 | TS|Skrom | ohhh |
| 17:01.06 | TS|Skrom | didn't know that |
| 17:01.40 | TC-Working | well, afaik you cant add an ignored person to your flist...i hanet ever tired it |
| 17:01.47 | TC-Working | havent* |
| 17:02.23 | Guillotine | I don't think it would quite give that error message though |
| 17:02.40 | TC-Working | hmm..well i dont know how wow would return that |
| 17:02.40 | TS|Skrom | didn't know it autoignored, guess I should stop reporting my guildmates for being assholes |
| 17:02.53 | Guillotine | at least with that function :P |
| 17:02.57 | TC-Working | spam reoprt are diff than other reports |
| 17:02.57 | Cide | >>> local function iter(a, i) print("iter run"); end local function loop(a) return iter, a, 0; end for key, value in loop({}) do end |
| 17:02.57 | Cide | Cide: "iter run" |
| 17:03.00 | Cide | weird |
| 17:03.11 | TS|Skrom | it was a joke ;-) |
| 17:03.24 | TC-Working | oh...errr...haha? |
| 17:03.32 | TS|Skrom | good one! |
| 17:03.49 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 17:04.03 | TS|Skrom | hi |
| 17:04.24 | BiPolarina | Goodbye |
| 17:04.51 | Polarina | Still can't figure out how to have multiple MoneyFrames in a single tooltip. |
| 17:05.50 | TS|Skrom | my humor is lost on you people :P |
| 17:06.27 | TC-Working | your right TS|Skrom, so go find it :) |
| 17:06.57 | TS|Skrom | haw |
| 17:07.32 | TC-Working | anyone know a really really good screen motion capture program? |
| 17:07.33 | TS|Skrom | it's a good thing it's lunch time or I'd have to retort |
| 17:07.40 | TS|Skrom | fraps, gamevideo |
| 17:07.57 | TC-Working | fraps isnt good enough, it errors out after getting 4gb of data |
| 17:08.07 | [dRaCo] | using fat32? |
| 17:08.17 | TC-Working | ntfs ofc |
| 17:08.21 | TC-Working | i do it uncompressed |
| 17:11.27 | clad|work | ooh C&C3 coming to the Mac |
| 17:11.40 | clad|work | BF 2142 |
| 17:12.28 | zenzelezz | 1942 or nothing |
| 17:13.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | is it true that GetWatchedFactionInfo(999) retuns "other" ? |
| 17:14.10 | TS|Skrom | says Stormwind for me |
| 17:14.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm says "other" for me.. |
| 17:14.51 | zenzelezz | blank for me |
| 17:15.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | oh so i sid wrong fucntion i mean GetFactionInfo(999) |
| 17:15.33 | zenzelezz | that gives other for me |
| 17:15.54 | TS|Skrom | yep other that time |
| 17:16.46 | TS|Skrom | anything >10 for me gives other |
| 17:16.53 | TS|Skrom | aka anything past the "inactive" heading |
| 17:16.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | wierd since other is actualy a valid header :P |
| 17:16.59 | Maldivia | in reality it should say "Mana Creature" :) |
| 17:17.15 | TS|Skrom | "other" also shows for GetFactionInfo like 6 or 7 too |
| 17:17.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes its a valid header |
| 17:17.29 | TS|Skrom | then Cenarian Circle (I'm a druid) then Inactive, then back to other |
| 17:18.20 | foxlit | So, playing the new C&C3 patch |
| 17:18.34 | Maldivia | the armory is actually quite fun to play around with :) |
| 17:18.46 | foxlit | built a mothership, decided to use it to wipe out a few units I didn't need at the time. |
| 17:18.49 | foxlit | Big mistake. |
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| 17:19.25 | TS|Skrom | dude Nam was years ago ;-) |
| 17:19.58 | foxlit | ghost it? :) |
| 17:21.11 | TC-Working | thanks foxlit, always forget about that |
| 17:21.31 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why they're u sing services that can't display who ghosted the nick and that they did |
| 17:22.37 | Maldivia | services knows who did it, it just opt not to show it :) |
| 17:24.14 | Guillotine | Maldivia: yes, playing with the armory IS fun :D |
| 17:24.41 | Maldivia | Guillotine: well, as long as it's not through the web site :) |
| 17:24.49 | Guillotine | of course |
| 17:24.53 | zenzelezz | considering it's still in beta, the armory is starting to look really good |
| 17:24.54 | Guillotine | <3 lua socket |
| 17:25.57 | Maldivia | well, was too lacy for that, made a simple C# app, for fetching the boss list and thier loot, and to do simple item searches, just to see how fast thier back really was, without the heavy site ontop |
| 17:26.00 | Kaso | zenzelezz, except the horrivle performance. |
| 17:26.21 | zenzelezz | performance can be tuned |
| 17:26.26 | zenzelezz | the features are great |
| 17:26.37 | Maldivia | the problem with the performance is that's it's client-side performance |
| 17:27.20 | Guillotine | ya. its EXTREMELY fast when you just pull the data |
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| 17:27.50 | Maldivia | it's the browsers generating the sites from the stylesheets that takes ages |
| 17:27.54 | Guillotine | hmm. it really says something that, in the item search, under the options for "Source", crafted isn't a valid option |
| 17:28.22 | Polarina | How do I show multiple MoneyFrames within a single tooltip? |
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| 17:29.13 | Guillotine | Polarina: MoneyFrames? |
| 17:29.40 | Maldivia | Polarina: you have to create your own, since the blizzard one is a single frame only |
| 17:30.12 | Maldivia | Guillotine: the frame that gets added to tooltips, to show the price of items at vendors |
| 17:30.14 | Polarina | Maldivia: Yes, but the problem is how to do it correctly? |
| 17:30.33 | Maldivia | Polarina: look how Blizzard implemented it, and copy it :) |
| 17:30.41 | Guillotine | wdn.wowinterface.com ftw |
| 17:30.42 | Maldivia | probably the easiest way |
| 17:30.43 | TS|Skrom | someone explain this to me: [2. Trade] [Whitfire]: Need to find an ALchemist who was 60 pre BC with Transmute Water to Undeath, pst |
| 17:31.05 | TC-Working | this is retarded...i can ghost the nick with the pw, but i cant login with it |
| 17:31.26 | Guillotine | TS: I think they just doubt that anyone who wasn't 60 pre-BC would have water to undeath. It was a VERY rare drop iirc |
| 17:31.53 | Maldivia | wasn't it from the ghost vendor ? |
| 17:31.58 | Maldivia | at scholomance |
| 17:31.59 | TS|Skrom | yeah |
| 17:32.12 | TS|Skrom | so people don't do scholo anymore is what they were saying? |
| 17:32.14 | Maldivia | but who would sate a transmute on water->undead |
| 17:32.20 | Guillotine | ah. must have been a different one that dropped off of the oozes |
| 17:32.21 | Maldivia | waste* |
| 17:32.44 | Polarina | Maldivia: Tried that, no luck. |
| 17:33.17 | TC-Working | WTB working nickserv |
| 17:33.47 | clad|work | lol |
| 17:33.50 | clad|work | the WWDC is going on |
| 17:33.52 | clad|work | and WoW just crashed |
| 17:33.57 | clad|work | int he middle of Steve Job's Keynote |
| 17:33.58 | clad|work | hahahaha |
| 17:34.11 | Maldivia | TC: Working fine here :) |
| 17:34.12 | Maldivia | clad, hehe |
| 17:34.15 | TC-Working | (10:29:36) -› [notice from NickServ]: [TC-Working] has been killed |
| 17:34.15 | TC-Working | (10:29:36) -› Nick changed to: TC-Working |
| 17:34.15 | TC-Working | (10:29:36) -› [notice from NickServ]: This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 17:34.15 | TC-Working | (10:29:36) -› [notice from NickServ]: If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 17:34.15 | TC-Working | (10:29:39) -› [notice from NickServ]: Password Incorrect |
| 17:34.27 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 17:34.30 | Guillotine | works fine for me |
| 17:34.30 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:34.34 | zenzelezz | try the right password |
| 17:34.40 | TC-Working | well it worked for the gost |
| 17:34.44 | TC-Working | ghost* |
| 17:35.17 | Maldivia | you have single account, or a linked one ? |
| 17:35.19 | TS|Skrom | silly TC-Working, ghosts don't use passwords they are incorporeal |
| 17:35.28 | TC-Working | ~lart TS|Skrom |
| 17:35.28 | purl | overclocks TS|Skrom until TS|Skrom burns out |
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| 17:37.00 | TS|Skrom | actually it was Water -> Air that is sold at scholo |
| 17:37.07 | TS|Skrom | now I'm even more cofused by that trade tell |
| 17:39.51 | zenzelezz | why didn't you just ask him? |
| 17:40.26 | TS|Skrom | I'm more secure in myself sounding like a copmlete newb here since you guys already know it |
| 17:40.46 | JoshBorke | k |
| 17:40.54 | TS|Skrom | that and he's offline |
| 17:41.40 | TC-Working | Elkano: Ping |
| 17:41.54 | Elkano | pong |
| 17:42.02 | TC-Working | is buffbars still in beta? |
| 17:42.29 | Elkano | if you would have checked WoW forums today... ;) |
| 17:43.08 | TC-Working | i is there |
| 17:43.50 | TC-Working | oh, havent yet went down that far, ok, got it thanks |
| 17:44.15 | Maldivia | Elkano, what ever happened to your itemdb addon ? |
| 17:45.51 | Elkano | still working, why? |
| 17:46.11 | Elkano | today I just coded some advanced (but still damn slow) filters |
| 17:46.19 | Maldivia | ok, just because it hadn't seen an update for a very long time :) |
| 17:46.31 | Elkano | well, I updated it on wowace |
| 17:46.32 | Maldivia | but then again, not much has happened on that end |
| 17:47.12 | Elkano | but since I just got you in place: what about EnchantMe? |
| 17:47.23 | Maldivia | it's updated for 2.1 :) |
| 17:47.57 | Elkano | well wrt ItemDB I extracted data gathering and sharing into a lib and optimized a few parts althoug I should do a recode of what is left besides the lib |
| 17:48.07 | Maldivia | and made a new addon similar to it, that contains all professions :) |
| 17:48.11 | Elkano | it is? so I should search for it and update ^^ |
| 17:48.28 | Elkano | well for the latter, there is TradeSkillInfo |
| 17:49.25 | Polarina | How do I display multiple MoneyFrames in a single GameTooltip correctly? |
| 17:50.16 | Maldivia | Elkano: ok, I just reused my EnchantMe template, and added all other recipees in the game :) |
| 17:51.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | hm i have a table whit only ["strings"] vars but is there a way to see if my table is still empty or in i added ant ["strings"] = true's ? |
| 17:52.08 | Elkano | next(table)? |
| 17:52.54 | Cide | yep |
| 17:53.01 | Cide | if ( not next(table) ) then --table is empty |
| 17:53.03 | Elkano | or local function empty(table) for _ in pairs(table) do return false end return true end |
| 17:53.11 | Cide | don't use that |
| 17:53.14 | Cide | pairs is a next wrapper |
| 17:53.22 | Maldivia | Polarina: you'll have to make your own code, I'm afraid - there's no way to have 2 of blizzards show |
| 17:53.29 | Cide | function pairs(t) return next, t, nil; end |
| 17:53.51 | Polarina | Maldivia: Yes, but how do I do it painlessy? |
| 17:54.43 | Maldivia | Polarina: there's really no painless way to do it, make your own frame, resize the tooltip (add empty lines), anchor your frame to the tooltip |
| 17:54.50 | TS|Skrom | bribe someone or for even less pain convince them to do it for free somehow |
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| 17:55.21 | Polarina | Maldivia: Yes, yes!!! I KNOW! How do I do it without just making tons of bugs? |
| 17:55.30 | Maldivia | trial and error |
| 17:55.55 | TS|Skrom | haha I got another gold spam. Reported and added to friends. GOes offline in <2 mins |
| 17:56.25 | TS|Skrom | that's frickin' awesome |
| 17:56.49 | Polarina | Maldivia: You're not helping. |
| 17:57.15 | TS|Skrom | Polarina have you TRIED to make your own yet? |
| 17:57.17 | Maldivia | Polarina: well, what do you want to me to tell you? we all make bugs, we find them and fix them - that's usually how it goes |
| 17:57.21 | Polarina | Yes, I have. |
| 17:57.30 | TS|Skrom | then post your failure and maybe someoine can help |
| 17:57.39 | TS|Skrom | don't just ask "how do I" without at least showing what didn't work |
| 17:58.14 | Polarina | http://wowi.pastey.net/56652 |
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| 18:00.54 | Maldivia | Polarina: and the problem is ? |
| 18:01.05 | Polarina | See the bottom of the code. |
| 18:01.09 | Maldivia | ahh |
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| 18:01.58 | Maldivia | Polarina: you're using the moneyframe associated with the tooltip, which the game then later uses.. |
| 18:01.58 | Cide | hmm, interesting |
| 18:02.26 | Maldivia | meaning your settings to it are overwritten |
| 18:02.27 | Polarina | Maldivia: Yeah, I know. I can't find a way around it. |
| 18:03.26 | Maldivia | try something like: local myMoneyFrame CreateFrame("Frame", nil, GameTooltip, "MoneyFrameTemplate"); and then use myMoneyFrame instead of moneyFrame |
| 18:03.28 | Cide | for some reason my gmatch call is returning nil every other time |
| 18:03.53 | Maldivia | missing = before CreateFrame :) |
| 18:04.13 | Maldivia | ofcourse, only make the frame once for every tooltip, keep them in a cache or something :) |
| 18:05.07 | TS|Skrom | isn't there a library that comes with enchantrix that does this sort of thing? i.e. helps manipulate tooltips to add info or make a second tooltip below the main? |
| 18:05.31 | Maldivia | ok, have to have a name aswell, can't use nil then :) |
| 18:05.34 | TS|Skrom | enhancedTooltip I think |
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| 18:07.41 | Maldivia | Polarina: so something like: if not cache[frame] then cache[frame] = CreateFrame("Frame", frame:GetName() .. "ValuationUIMoneyFrame", frame, "MoneyFrameTemplate") end local moneyFrame = cache[frame]; |
| 18:08.13 | Maldivia | and have cache defined as a table |
| 18:09.32 | TC-Working | " Blizzard changed (IMO broke) the /follow command in the 2.1 patch so that if you are following a stationary target you walk instead of run." If your following a stationary target, why are you moving at all...hell for that matter, why are you /following them |
| 18:10.18 | Polarina | Maldivia: Can't I store it inside the tooltip like: GameTooltip.ValuationUI_Tooltip ? |
| 18:10.29 | Elkano | TC-Working, wrt EBB's thread being lower in forums, feel free to stealth bump it ;) |
| 18:10.45 | TC-Working | i already did bump it |
| 18:10.52 | TC-Working | <-- blorb |
| 18:12.30 | Elkano | oh, forgot to hit f5 ^^ |
| 18:13.06 | TC-Working | TabsMixPlus for firefox has an auto refresh feature per tab |
| 18:13.12 | TC-Working | or maybe it;s built in |
| 18:13.15 | TC-Working | it's* |
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| 18:15.07 | Elkano | btw: Cide, looking at my tests EBB2 wasn't that bad compared to CTBM... and considering that it has lots more features... |
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| 18:15.48 | TC-Working | are you refering to " I'm going with CT mod, for two reasons. For one, it works a lot better the Elk, and not onl that, but its a lot easier to use."? |
| 18:16.10 | Cide | it was 15 and 273 times worse for me, comparing cpu and memory usage respectively |
| 18:16.20 | Elkano | that + cide's comment + tests cide had run. |
| 18:16.22 | Maldivia | Polarina: yes you can |
| 18:16.24 | Josh_Borke | thank goodness i use the old one |
| 18:16.35 | Josh_Borke | of elkano that is |
| 18:17.20 | Elkano | Cide, runing EBB disembedded and thus not seeing memory consumption occuring in libs EBB had 200kb initial memory compared to 150kb for CTBM but a bit less memory increase |
| 18:17.43 | Elkano | I didn't have cpu polling active at that time |
| 18:20.53 | TC-Working | "Creating a version of Safari for Windows. Safari 3 runs on Leopard and XP and Vista. How's the performance? HTML performance on XP: IE, Firefox and Safari tested. Running through the benchmark suite, IE gets done in 4.6 seconds, Firefox in 3.7, Safari in 2.2. Javascript: 2.4 for IE, Firefox 1.6, Safari 0.9. "Fastest browser on Windows."" |
| 18:21.54 | TC-Working | Public Beta at "apple.com/safari". |
| 18:22.08 | Maldivia | not yet :| |
| 18:22.19 | TC-Working | i dunno, it's from the keynote speach |
| 18:22.37 | Maldivia | yeah, watching it aswell - already checked the site :) |
| 18:22.47 | TC-Working | heh |
| 18:23.44 | Maldivia | I liked the pricing model :) |
| 18:23.56 | Cide | Elkano: I had EBB showing 273 times the memory usage increase per second - disregarding ace libaries |
| 18:24.56 | Elkano | for me ctbm was at 10k increase for the session when EBB was at 8k... using FuBar_UsageFu |
| 18:25.15 | Elkano | could it be that some of the initilization code for EBB was counted where that of ctbm wasn't? |
| 18:25.18 | Polarina | Maldivia: It isn't working, eh...: http://www.2and2.net/files/466d93e85509b.png |
| 18:25.56 | Cide | Elkano: talking usage per second |
| 18:26.10 | Cide | then again, you most likely only used ctbm, yes? |
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| 18:27.10 | Elkano | yes, I did |
| 18:27.18 | Maldivia | Polarina: call frame:Show() |
| 18:27.30 | Cide | yeah, see, it uses a library too |
| 18:27.34 | Polarina | Maldivia: The code does that already.. |
| 18:27.36 | Maldivia | Polarina: to make the tooltip recalc it size |
| 18:27.38 | Cide | so you factored in that for ctbm but not for EBB |
| 18:27.40 | Elkano | yeah, I know |
| 18:27.47 | Polarina | Maldivia: The point is, the moneyframe isn't supposed to be there. |
| 18:28.03 | Elkano | but still, 8kb increase isn't that bad for 1h play time or so |
| 18:28.32 | Maldivia | Polarina: remember to hide your new moneyframe |
| 18:28.43 | Cide | Elkano: true, and I never said it was :) |
| 18:28.48 | Polarina | Maldivia: The point is, where do I do that? |
| 18:29.14 | Elkano | well, but only seeing a "270 times worse" still makes it look bad ;) |
| 18:29.29 | Maldivia | you could do it when the tooltip hides? (in OnHide or similar) |
| 18:29.44 | Elkano | and wrt your lib, iirc it does the things like buff scanning and such, doesn't it? |
| 18:29.51 | Cide | no, it doesn't |
| 18:29.54 | Cide | CT_Library does extremely little |
| 18:30.16 | Polarina | Maldivia: That wouldn't work with the current code as it is... But a little change might do the trick, I guess. |
| 18:30.30 | Cide | I do my best to denounce the effects of ace, and I can't say my numbers lie ;) |
| 18:30.43 | Polarina | Maldivia: How do I put the OnHide part with CreateFrame frames? |
| 18:32.05 | Cide | then again |
| 18:32.16 | Cide | I've never mentioned those numbers outside of developer circles |
| 18:32.34 | Elkano | well, there still seem to be a few 'memory holes' in Ace2 I think ^^ but it's hard to blame them :/ |
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| 18:33.29 | Maldivia | Polarina: hook GameTooltip_ClearMoney, and make that method clear your added money frame aswell |
| 18:33.47 | Elkano | so wrt ctbm, I'll go with "less features and thus also a bit smaller in memory/performance" though nothing beats a KTM wrt that ;) |
| 18:33.57 | Polarina | Maldivia: Ok, I'll try that. |
| 18:34.21 | Cide | Elkano: "a bit"? :) |
| 18:34.29 | Cide | and also, what features does ctbm lack? |
| 18:34.52 | TC-Working | omen vs. KTM? |
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| 18:35.32 | Elkano | buff renaming, groups, pet/focus/target bars, 2x2 fontstring matrix with idividual font settings, ... |
| 18:35.53 | Elkano | does ctbm use statusbars or textutures meaning does it suport left2right bars? |
| 18:36.01 | Cide | textures |
| 18:36.06 | Cide | so yes, it supports l2r |
| 18:36.11 | Kaydeethree | I've got my copy of ctbm going l2r |
| 18:36.40 | Kaydeethree | and about as small as I can possibly get it. buff icon and time |
| 18:37.00 | Kaydeethree | just wish I could drop the alpha on the buff icons |
| 18:37.15 | Cide | Kaydeethree: that's probably not a bad idea |
| 18:37.26 | Cide | I'll see if I can add that actually |
| 18:40.07 | Cide | Elkano: although I imagine the difference in performance will likely increase drastically if you take into account libraries |
| 18:40.57 | Polarina | Maldivia: Done, but now it shows my current money I hold, (i.e. Current money = GetMoney()). |
| 18:41.04 | TS|Skrom | serendipitous. I was thinking of when I should release my addon i just finished. There's a post on the UI forum asking for exactly the functionality I'm providing. If I wanted a clearer sign I'm not sure i'd find one lol |
| 18:41.38 | Elkano | most likely, yes. though I still think that the resulting numbers wont be as high that you could call them bad. |
| 18:42.35 | Cide | depends on how you define bad I suppose |
| 18:43.20 | Polarina | Maldivia: But everything else works as expected... |
| 18:43.28 | Cide | a difference of of 27200% sounds quite nasty to me, for example |
| 18:43.56 | kergoth | anyone know of any addons to enhance the UIErrorsFrame? i.e adjust fade time, number of lines, position |
| 18:44.19 | Cide | s/of of/of/ |
| 18:44.27 | Elkano | well, blaming whole Ace2 to a single addon will make that addon lose almost all competitions... |
| 18:45.14 | TC-Working | TS|Skrom, what addon? |
| 18:45.22 | Cide | remember that those numbers are without ace2 factored in |
| 18:45.41 | Cide | I can only imagine what they would look like *with* ace2 |
| 18:46.14 | Cide | but when I made that comparison people called me an idiot "because ace2 is supposed to be used by multiple addons at once" |
| 18:46.21 | Cide | so I wasn't allowed to do that :) |
| 18:47.49 | Elkano | well, but I still don't think the 270x holds...though I would most likely have to disembed your lib to get the numbers |
| 18:49.03 | Cide | probably |
| 18:49.07 | Maldivia | Polarina: hmm, it's probably the value argument you use |
| 18:49.14 | TS|Skrom | sec TC-Working I'm uploading to wow-interface, when it's approved I'll link ya |
| 18:49.24 | Cide | which is the only way to make a fair comparison, isn't it? |
| 18:49.31 | TC-Working | ok, just poke Cairenn to get it there :) |
| 18:50.11 | TS|Skrom | I'm a patient man :p |
| 18:50.18 | TC-Working | i'm not |
| 18:50.24 | Polarina | Maldivia: there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 18:50.46 | Maldivia | Polarina: try updating the pastey |
| 18:51.07 | Cairenn | TC-Working: what ARE you on about? it's already approved for pity's sake |
| 18:51.14 | Polarina | Maldivia: With the current code? |
| 18:51.18 | Maldivia | Polarina: yeah |
| 18:51.42 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 18:51.43 | Thrae | Cide: I scrolled up and couldn't see when your discussion with Elk became about Ace2 philosophy |
| 18:52.00 | TS|Skrom | thanks Cairenn |
| 18:52.02 | TS|Skrom | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7260-SkromsQuoteGenerator.html |
| 18:52.11 | Cide | Thrae: you lost me |
| 18:52.12 | TC-Working | damn...how am i supposed to poke you if your Competent Cairenn |
| 18:52.24 | Polarina | http://wowi.pastey.net/56694 |
| 18:52.28 | Cairenn | you aren't, that's the point |
| 18:52.43 | Cide | Elkano sparked the discussion |
| 18:53.03 | TC-Working | well thats just takes all the fun out of it |
| 18:54.25 | TC-Working | nice TS|Skrom. Now, when will you add more than just spells? |
| 18:54.34 | TS|Skrom | such as? |
| 18:54.38 | TC-Working | i want one for water |
| 18:54.53 | TS|Skrom | well bear in mind that this isn't something to make you say it EVERY TIME |
| 18:55.00 | TS|Skrom | for that just use cog's addon |
| 18:55.23 | TS|Skrom | this does it on average once every 2.5 mins for whatever happens to be the spell you are casting at that time |
| 18:55.30 | TS|Skrom | no way (yet) to force it for any particular spell |
| 18:56.47 | TC-Working | ah |
| 18:56.52 | TC-Working | yea i want random every time |
| 18:57.30 | TS|Skrom | here's the thread I was talking about: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109941194&postId=1096935834&sid=1#5 she wanted to be able to say something with overpower, but not every single time she used it |
| 18:57.38 | Maldivia | Polarina: ahh, it's because the default behaviour of the moeny frames are to display the player's money |
| 18:57.59 | Polarina | Maldivia: And to change that? |
| 18:58.02 | Elkano | Cide, maybe it is as it's often: there simply is no really god way to compare them... |
| 18:58.22 | TC-Working | ah yea, i saw that one, but i skiped it |
| 18:58.31 | TC-Working | lol |
| 18:58.32 | TC-Working | Q u o t e: |
| 18:58.32 | TC-Working | I wish my lawn was as emo as you, so it would cut itself. |
| 18:58.41 | Cide | I would argue that comparing them without ace and without CT_Library favors EBB by an absolutely huge margin |
| 18:58.49 | Maldivia | Polarina: moneyFrame.info = MoneyTypeInfo.STATIC; |
| 18:58.59 | Cide | and saying anything contesting that is ridiculous in my opinion |
| 18:59.23 | Maldivia | or: this = moneyFrame; MoneyFrame_SetType("STATIC") |
| 19:01.18 | Elkano | Cide, why? I think you lib and Ace do almost the same stuff so when it comes to the code itself that could be a way to compare (and turn out that Ace2 isn't that optimal choosen as a lib) |
| 19:01.23 | Polarina | Maldivia: Won't I screw up the entire thing by changing "this"? |
| 19:01.46 | Cide | I think CT_Library does less than a tenth of what ace does |
| 19:01.48 | Cide | out of the box |
| 19:02.21 | Maldivia | Polarina: depends on your code :) |
| 19:02.42 | Polarina | Maldivia: I mean, other addons... |
| 19:02.44 | Maldivia | Polarina: but you can alwasy just use the first method - setting the table entry directly :) |
| 19:02.51 | TC-Working | is anyone here "Lopeppeppy"? |
| 19:03.03 | Cide | and since ace2 does so much more, offloading that cpu and memory to the specific addons, which means that you get to disregard all of that memory and cpu usage automatically. as such, measuring the performance without libraries in this case hugely favors the ace2 addon |
| 19:03.36 | Elkano | cide depends on what Ace2 is actually used for... |
| 19:03.43 | Cide | how so? |
| 19:04.08 | TC-Working | uhh...with following this conversation between elk and cide, did you 2 just switch sides?? |
| 19:04.16 | Cide | um, no |
| 19:04.19 | Thrae | Cide: ckknight has been making changes to allow profiling of how much resources an addon is using through Ace2, such as making the Event frames attached to each addon. |
| 19:04.24 | Maldivia | Polarina: could always just back up the contents of this before setting it, and then setting it back afterwards :) |
| 19:04.42 | Elkano | Thrae, iirc this wasn't working as expected so it was reverted |
| 19:04.50 | Polarina | Maldivia: Or doing this: <Frame name="ValuationUI_Tooltip" inherits="SmallMoneyFrameTemplate" virtual="true" hidden="true"> with the <Scripts> thing and change the 4th argument CreateFrame() to "ValuationUI_Tooltip"? |
| 19:04.51 | Thrae | Well, he's trying ;) |
| 19:04.56 | Cide | and failing |
| 19:04.59 | Maldivia | Polarina: might have to do moneyFrame.moneyType = "STATIC"; aswell, if you opt for the first version |
| 19:06.01 | Maldivia | Polarina: which ever way you prefer :) |
| 19:06.12 | Polarina | Maldivia: Ok, thanks. |
| 19:06.53 | Thrae | Anyway, Cide is right. Using Ace2 will not magically make any addon use substantially less resources, and it's hard to measure it except for what the library authors do on their own unit tests...if they do them. |
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| 19:07.07 | Josh_Borke | unit tests? what're those :-D |
| 19:07.09 | Maldivia | Polarina: but altering this at the time your hook methods are run, shouldn't affect anything |
| 19:07.13 | Elkano | cide: I use Ace2 for getting the chat command, event stuff, sheduling and DB management, GUI is done with Dewdrop. I don't know how good/bad WoW is with blaming function calls eg wether they are blamed to the addon calling or providing the function... |
| 19:07.27 | Maldivia | Polarina: since they are run directly, meaning this is out of context at that time |
| 19:07.36 | TC-Working | Elkano, and textures :) |
| 19:07.38 | Thrae | There's a lot of "belief" involved in Ace2's design and usage. |
| 19:07.39 | Polarina | Maldivia: ? |
| 19:08.00 | Elkano | so most of the code is still in EBB, the question is only if it is correctly blamed |
| 19:08.19 | Maldivia | Polarina: the global variable is set by the game everytime it calls a script block on a frame |
| 19:08.36 | Thrae | You can insert your own profiling into your addon if you really want to see what Ace2 is doing |
| 19:08.41 | Maldivia | Polarina: since all your hooks are run directly, when the addon is loaded, thus not from a script block, there is no "this" (that refers to anything particular) |
| 19:09.21 | Maldivia | Polarina: so changing "this" at that point doesn't change anything, since when the variable is needed, the game will already have set it to what it's supposed to point to at that time |
| 19:09.21 | Polarina | Maldivia: Ok, thanks. :) |
| 19:09.59 | Cide | Elkano: CT_Library is used for event stuff, scheduling and the gui |
| 19:10.11 | Cide | but I'm pretty sure most of those resources are offloaded to ctbm |
| 19:10.22 | Cide | well, the gui is the big part obviously |
| 19:10.37 | Cide | and all of those things are irrelevant to cpu and memory usage per second usually |
| 19:11.14 | Cide | possibly not cpu/sec, but that's the hit you take for using a lot of libraries |
| 19:11.46 | Thrae | I want to know which addon has the record for using the most libraries...without cheating. |
| 19:12.25 | Josh_Borke | pitbull |
| 19:12.35 | TC-Working | whats the range for nameplates to show? |
| 19:12.42 | Josh_Borke | about 20 yards |
| 19:12.44 | Kaso | 20yrds i think |
| 19:12.47 | TC-Working | ok, thanks |
| 19:13.02 | Thrae | 20 yards, 30 yards if you have glasses |
| 19:13.54 | Cide | Elkano: not sure how it would be blamed in any way but in favor of EBB |
| 19:14.23 | Polarina | Maldivia: It works! Thank you very much. |
| 19:14.33 | Maldivia | :) |
| 19:14.33 | Cide | and given that when I tested this, my "Ace2" addon used over 2.5mb of memory and a lot of cpu and mem per second, so that sounds unlikely at best |
| 19:15.20 | Polarina | The impossible has been done. |
| 19:15.27 | Polarina | Thanks you. |
| 19:15.39 | TC-Working | my "ace2" routinely uses 5mb+ |
| 19:15.45 | Cide | ouch |
| 19:16.07 | Cide | well, you're using more addons than I was I'm guessing |
| 19:16.15 | TC-Working | SI, quite a few more |
| 19:16.25 | Thrae | I think someone tested PitBull against agUF, and found that PitBull actually used a good bit more resources with the same fuctionality enabled (others removed completely), despite it trying to do the contrary. |
| 19:17.06 | Thrae | Sometimes rampant modularity and embedding can lead to bloat. |
| 19:17.31 | Shirik | holy storms batman |
| 19:17.44 | clad|work | modularity ~= sleek and sexy |
| 19:17.51 | Shirik | stupid thunderstorm woke me up :( |
| 19:17.53 | clad|work | especially when done wrong |
| 19:17.57 | clad|work | Shirik: I sent it.. sorry =( |
| 19:18.10 | TC-Working | it's remove the WTF&addons forlder to go back to basics, yes? |
| 19:18.15 | TC-Working | folders* |
| 19:18.23 | Thrae | TC-Working: That |
| 19:18.30 | Thrae | TC-Working: That's the most bloat of all! |
| 19:18.42 | Shirik | I love going to accuweather and seeing my entire state covered in red with "greatest severe threat" |
| 19:18.43 | Shirik | awesome |
| 19:18.49 | TC-Working | Thrae, huh? |
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| 19:21.28 | Shirik | qq |
| 19:21.36 | Shirik | there was a french post on the forums and everybody answered it but me! |
| 19:21.48 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 19:24.45 | TS|Skrom | aaarrgh why the heck do I even bother |
| 19:25.18 | TS|Skrom | never fails I finish my addon, release it and suddenly find at least 10 addons that do the same thing that for some reasoon I never noticed before |
| 19:25.57 | Maldivia | safari is up now, for people interested :) |
| 19:26.56 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, how is your family doing? |
| 19:28.28 | |Jelly| | Mom has graves disease; Grandfather is being kept alive by O2 : / |
| 19:28.40 | Shirik | " And until you do that, authors like myself will continue to produce the same mods that they always have, and there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop it." |
| 19:28.47 | Shirik | I think that statement summed that up pretty well |
| 19:28.49 | |Jelly| | Which, in the case of my mother sounds a lot worse than it is. |
| 19:28.56 | Shirik | oh really graves disease? |
| 19:28.59 | Shirik | I do too actually |
| 19:29.03 | TC-Working | hm...dont know that one |
| 19:29.10 | Shirik | TC-Working: It's hyperthyroidism |
| 19:29.13 | Shirik | a form of it, specifically |
| 19:29.55 | Shirik | And yes, you can go to the hospital for it, most often due to a thyroid storm |
| 19:29.56 | |Jelly| | Yeah. From the small research I was able to do on my phone, it's not nearly as bad as the phone call we got this morning telling my mom that if we couldn't get into see the "ocular specialist" that we needed to go to the ER. lol |
| 19:30.11 | Kaso | Shirik where was that quote you just posted from? |
| 19:30.15 | |Jelly| | That's pretty much what happened last week. Her eye all but swelled shut. |
| 19:30.20 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651&postId=1096936376&sid=1#1 |
| 19:30.48 | |Jelly| | " Dear Everyone Interested in Running Mods: |
| 19:30.50 | |Jelly| | Stop ruining WoW. " Well. I'm done reading. |
| 19:31.33 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:31.38 | Shirik | I actually didn't read his post |
| 19:31.42 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 19:31.49 | Shirik | I read "Stop ruining wow" then read about 3 more words as I looked for the reply button |
| 19:32.03 | Shirik | I'd like to think that I"m good at replying without reading |
| 19:32.04 | |Jelly| | It's WALLOFTEXT after WALLOFTEXT which all leads to QQ. |
| 19:32.23 | Kaso | im sure he wrote that like last year |
| 19:32.32 | Kaso | "I can cleanse a debuff off a comrade without clicking a button or knowing the debuff happened in the first place" |
| 19:32.36 | Kaso | lol whut? |
| 19:32.38 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:32.39 | Shirik | no you can't |
| 19:32.42 | Shirik | where is that |
| 19:32.53 | Kaso | second para |
| 19:32.57 | |Jelly| | He's just mad that 2.0 broke his "I can hit one button and the game plays it's self" and is going to cry about every mod now. |
| 19:33.26 | |Jelly| | And I find his guild to be lol-able. |
| 19:33.35 | |Jelly| | (considering...) |
| 19:34.12 | Elkano | cide, I just set up a config running ctbm, ebbs, libs for ebbs and FuBar_Usage: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=wowscrnshot_061107_213130r38.jpg |
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| 19:34.53 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, are you lope? |
| 19:34.54 | Elkano | I still don't see something near 270x |
| 19:35.00 | |Jelly| | What's lope? |
| 19:35.07 | TC-Working | nvm then |
| 19:35.09 | Cide | Elkano: /shrug |
| 19:35.16 | Cide | that's what I saw |
| 19:35.28 | |Jelly| | ..seriously |
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| 19:35.40 | Shirik | C:\Lua\Lua\BAT>nslookup |
| 19:35.40 | Shirik | DNS request timed out. |
| 19:35.40 | Shirik | timeout was 2 seconds. |
| 19:35.40 | Shirik | *** Can't find server name for address 155.31.30.5: Timed out |
| 19:35.42 | Shirik | qq |
| 19:35.44 | Elkano | well, I don't say you didn't but maybe it really only was some bad blames |
| 19:35.48 | Shirik | my school sucks at internet. |
| 19:36.11 | Elkano | like eg the 200kb initialy being blamed as increase or sth like that |
| 19:36.13 | Shirik | *** Default servers are not available |
| 19:36.29 | Elkano | or Blizzard's profiling is more crap than we thought ;) |
| 19:36.50 | Thrae | GetTime() at start of function, GetTime() at end of function...why not? |
| 19:37.02 | Industrial | ~seen Lunessa |
| 19:37.35 | purl | lunessa <n=chatzill@129.7.91.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 21h 29m 26s ago, saying: 'Ciao tutti. Off to grab dinner and maybe see a movie. '. |
| 19:38.03 | End | interesting, apple ported safari to windows |
| 19:38.05 | TC-Working | ffs Industrial, just move in with lunessa already |
| 19:38.16 | Cide | >>> 4.25/0.03 |
| 19:38.16 | Cide | Cide: 141.66666666667 |
| 19:38.34 | Cide | >>> 2.43/0.055 |
| 19:38.34 | Cide | Cide: 44.181818181818 |
| 19:38.47 | Cide | >>> 520/84 |
| 19:38.47 | Cide | Cide: 6.1904761904762 |
| 19:41.01 | Cide | Elkano: seeing ~44 times more cpu usage/sec, ~6 times more memory usage (not counting increasing rate, since apparently my version of PerformanceFu can't check that) |
| 19:41.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge TC-Working (n=TC-Testi@38.118.158.211) |
| 19:41.26 | Shirik | Cide: wtf version of performancefu do you have? |
| 19:41.28 | Cide | 140 times more cpu usage from reload (likely caused by a cpu usage spike in the beginning, the ~44x has been stable for a few minutes now) |
| 19:42.27 | Cide | 2.036628 |
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| 19:42.37 | Cide | 2007-05-23 |
| 19:42.45 | KarlThePagan | armory would be nice if it didn't freeze my browser so much |
| 19:43.51 | Shirik | it would also be awesome if like |
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| 19:44.01 | Shirik | my internet either (1) went down completely or (2) was working completely |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik | instead of letting me stay connected to IRC |
| 19:44.09 | Shirik | and not do anything else |
| 19:44.11 | Elkano | ok, I just enabled cpu profiling and it seems like it does favour you coding stile since it increased my memory increase over your's |
| 19:44.17 | Shirik | so you all can talk about crap like the armory and I can qq |
| 19:44.18 | End | KarlThePagan: I'm curious, which web browser do you use? |
| 19:44.26 | Shirik | End: I have the same problem, firefox |
| 19:44.32 | KarlThePagan | End, Firefox |
| 19:44.43 | End | I've noticed this too, but it usually isn't very bad. |
| 19:44.53 | KarlThePagan | the item filter stuff is pretty horrible |
| 19:44.56 | Shirik | ya |
| 19:46.01 | KarlThePagan | they try to do web-2.0 but... while they're servicing your javascript requests they decode "OH WE'LL MAKE THE BROWSER MODAL KEKEKEKE" and that's the end of it... can't cancel... no progress... just stare at it until you give up and hope you can restore your browser session or don't care enough to try |
| 19:47.01 | Shirik | oops |
| 19:47.01 | Elkano | cide, what did you do while profiling? starting with no buffs and buffing (eg with a priest you can put up sw:f, shield, inner fire, renew, ...) |
| 19:47.01 | End | wel |
| 19:47.01 | End | well |
| 19:47.01 | Shirik | totally just clicked the "report post" on Aella's post |
| 19:47.01 | Shirik | instead of "quote" |
| 19:47.01 | End | they dont use that much javascript considering |
| 19:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:47.02 | End | 90% of the work is actually xml/xslt |
| 19:47.02 | |Jelly| | so...back to the wall of text |
| 19:47.18 | End | I wonder the browser might be waiting for the rest of the xml to load or something (since it can't do anything with part of the xml) |
| 19:47.35 | KarlThePagan | that's unfortunate... |
| 19:47.35 | Cide | Elkano: well, without buffs... |
| 19:47.58 | Cide | EBB has used 1110x the cpu time ctbm has |
| 19:48.05 | Cide | 1680x... |
| 19:48.08 | End | their use of xml does make development of armory analysis tools really easy though :P |
| 19:48.12 | KarlThePagan | XML data should ALWAYS be stream processed |
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| 19:48.49 | Cide | I could not measure cpu usage/second since ctbm was sitting at 0.00% |
| 19:48.49 | foxlit | Here's an interesting tidbit: if you change your useragent to something silly, you can lose the XML part |
| 19:48.56 | End | yeah |
| 19:48.56 | foxlit | Server gives HTML |
| 19:49.03 | End | it'll do the processing server side |
| 19:49.26 | Cide | 240x cpu/sec with one buff |
| 19:50.39 | TS|Skrom | in light of the ongoing conversation between Cide and Elkano I HAVE to post this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109881876&sid=1 |
| 19:50.58 | Shirik | wtb you replacing forums.worldofwarcraft.com with the IP so I can read it |
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| 19:51.21 | TS|Skrom | it's the thread titled Moving standard blizzard frames |
| 19:51.30 | TS|Skrom | like 3rd from the end of the sticky'd |
| 19:51.36 | Shirik | yeah,I can't get to it |
| 19:51.42 | TS|Skrom | oh |
| 19:51.55 | Cide | 125x with two, 87x with three... |
| 19:51.58 | Elkano | Dns resolved forums.worldofwarcraft.com to 12.129.242.24 ? |
| 19:52.00 | Cide | >>> 518/84 |
| 19:52.00 | Cide | Cide: 6.1666666666667 |
| 19:52.17 | TS|Skrom | http://12.129.242.24/thread.html?topicId=109881876&sid=1 |
| 19:52.17 | Cide | still 6x memory |
| 19:52.22 | TS|Skrom | gah, foiled again |
| 19:52.26 | TS|Skrom | http://12.129.242.24/thread.html?topicId=109881876&sid=1 |
| 19:52.32 | Shirik | <3 |
| 19:52.44 | |Jelly| | pfft. i beat you all! |
| 19:52.47 | Shirik | hey,they used relative urls! |
| 19:52.54 | Shirik | yeah she did :) |
| 19:52.59 | Shirik | now I can actually read something! |
| 19:53.25 | Shirik | i have recently discovered how boring my life is without the internet |
| 19:53.32 | TS|Skrom | have you tried disconnecting your internet conn, clearing your dns cache and reconnecting? |
| 19:53.41 | Kaydeethree | just add forums.worldofwarcraft.com to your hosts file? |
| 19:53.49 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: Too lazy to do that |
| 19:54.03 | Shirik | TS|Skrom: I know it's my school, probably has something to do with that lightning bolt that woke me up |
| 19:54.10 | TS|Skrom | ahh |
| 19:54.12 | Shirik | OF COURSE! |
| 19:54.16 | Shirik | When I FINALLY find something to do |
| 19:54.17 | Shirik | "Server is busy, please try again" |
| 19:54.21 | TS|Skrom | could ping your dns servers to be sure |
| 19:54.29 | Shirik | oh I've tried that a looooong time ago |
| 19:54.33 | Shirik | it's still running |
| 19:54.37 | Shirik | I'm watching it to come back |
| 19:54.43 | TS|Skrom | request timed out? |
| 19:55.18 | Elkano | hmm, with ctbm embedded, ebb disembedded and no buff I'm having about 2x cpu for ebb, and mem 0 for both with no buffs up |
| 19:55.34 | Shirik | Ping statistics for 155.31.30.5: |
| 19:55.34 | Shirik | Packets: Sent = 376, Received = 0, Lost = 376 (100% loss), |
| 19:55.35 | Shirik | Control-C |
| 19:55.35 | Shirik | ^C |
| 19:55.43 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 19:56.27 | TS|Skrom | hah |
| 19:56.27 | jme | in case anyone missed it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=066_q4DIeqk |
| 19:56.27 | Cide | Elkano: so you're still not running fair tests |
| 19:56.27 | jme | <3 napoleon |
| 19:56.46 | Elkano | well, problem is that I don't have a fair display since FuBar_Usage is blamed to the libs and I have no disembedded ctbm |
| 19:57.01 | Cide | is blamed to the libs? |
| 19:57.29 | TS|Skrom | do you have access to change your dns addresses? could try using alternates like 64.89.70.2 |
| 19:57.41 | Shirik | I should |
| 19:58.08 | Elkano | well, since it's Ace2 I can't tell if usage on libs is from EBB or FuBar_Usage. but I'll try to disembed yours now |
| 19:58.29 | Cide | I'm not even counting the libs' usage |
| 19:58.36 | Cide | since I'm running several ace2 mods myself |
| 19:59.31 | TC-Working | isnt there a freestanding mod that gauges mods useage? |
| 19:59.47 | Cide | the api? |
| 19:59.57 | Elkano | does CT_Library need the localization file? |
| 20:00.23 | Cide | no, that's part of the mod |
| 20:00.26 | Elkano | ok |
| 20:00.38 | TC-Working | i dunno cide, i just thought there was one..... |
| 20:00.48 | Cide | there probably is |
| 20:00.58 | Cide | I've simply used the api if I need that though |
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| 20:01.23 | Shirik | Cide: Does CT have any unit frames? |
| 20:01.30 | Cide | depends on what you mean |
| 20:01.37 | Shirik | O |
| 20:01.41 | Shirik | I'm not even sure what I mean |
| 20:01.51 | TC-Working | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:01.51 | purl | slaps Shirik upside the head with a wet fish |
| 20:01.52 | Shirik | I'm just curious if you've had this lockup problem |
| 20:01.54 | Cide | CT_UnitFrames adds customizable health/mana fontstrings to the health/mana bars for player/target/pet/party |
| 20:01.58 | Cide | and so on |
| 20:02.07 | Cide | lock up when joining a raid? |
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| 20:02.15 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:02.16 | Shirik | cause I haven't |
| 20:02.22 | Cide | oh yes :) |
| 20:02.23 | Shirik | and everyone keeps blaming it on blizzard |
| 20:02.36 | Elkano | so with your lib disembedded the comparison should be fairer, shouldn't it? |
| 20:02.41 | Shirik | do you use any other unit frame mods? |
| 20:02.55 | Cide | I spent some 5h debugging it with a blizzard dev a year ago or so |
| 20:03.09 | Cide | and probably 24h+ (active time) other than that |
| 20:03.17 | Cide | Elkano: probably |
| 20:03.25 | subbawt | I have never had the lockup problem until after 2.1.0 |
| 20:03.39 | Shirik | I've never had it.... period... |
| 20:03.54 | subbawt | Grid does it for me |
| 20:04.05 | Cide | my theory has been |
| 20:04.10 | Cide | well |
| 20:04.13 | TS|Skrom | I remember when that happened Cide (the lockup problem), you got that sucker nailed and fixed quick lol |
| 20:04.20 | foxlit | Thing is, how do you hang wow? |
| 20:04.22 | Cide | I've technically proven it by now.. it's not a single one process |
| 20:04.29 | Shirik | Foxbot: while true do end |
| 20:04.38 | foxlit | Nobody writes that intentionally |
| 20:04.45 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 20:05.01 | Cide | TS|Skrom: I spent some hours debugging it, yep :P |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 20:05.07 | TS|Skrom | next time I get an ass in my group I'm going to tell him to do that. I'll tell him it'll add to his fps and yowzah's! |
| 20:05.07 | Shirik | I just know RDX seems to be immune to it |
| 20:05.29 | foxlit | TS|Skrom: a = function(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a); a(a); |
| 20:05.33 | Shirik | and I want to know why |
| 20:05.39 | Shirik | Foxbot: Missing an end |
| 20:05.42 | foxlit | Though while 1 do end is shorter :) |
| 20:05.43 | foxlit | True |
| 20:05.57 | Shirik | I think we should make an addon |
| 20:06.01 | Shirik | for /quit = that function |
| 20:06.02 | TC-Working | foxlit Shirik, foxlit |
| 20:06.04 | Cide | anyway, what caused it for me was 1) having 40+ raid frames with several children that overlapped, in the same rendering layer as blizzard's party frames -- that called SetFrameLevel(x) 10+ times on RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE - causing 10 full re-render passes on that layer |
| 20:06.07 | TS|Skrom | and it's not like those 8 year old retards would know not to do it anyway |
| 20:06.30 | foxlit | FrameLevel for secure frames does stuff I can't even begin to describe |
| 20:06.31 | Cide | 2) not hiding the raid roster headers before reconfiguring the attributes - causing a full update of the raid roster for every attribute change |
| 20:06.46 | TS|Skrom | including when people joined/left |
| 20:06.53 | Shirik | oooooh |
| 20:06.54 | TS|Skrom | that was the big one for us |
| 20:06.55 | Shirik | I bet that's it |
| 20:07.11 | Shirik | Yeah see, I forget details like that |
| 20:07.22 | Shirik | ever since we got RDX.Window:new() working perfectly, I forget that stuff now |
| 20:07.31 | Shirik | but that's not blizzard's fault |
| 20:07.36 | Cide | it's not, nope |
| 20:07.51 | Shirik | woot I have a dns server now |
| 20:07.53 | Cide | I had this happen before 2.x too |
| 20:07.57 | Shirik | thanks TS|Skrom |
| 20:07.58 | Cide | and that was a lot harder to debug |
| 20:08.11 | Cide | that was a separate issue though that I to this day don't know what fixed |
| 20:08.24 | Cide | that, if anything, could have been an issue with the game client |
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| 20:09.14 | TS|Skrom | lol I got a question on my new addon that required "yep" as an answer and I had to make it "yes it does" because you can't leave comments <10 characters XD |
| 20:10.13 | Cide | it only occured when the fontstrings' (that displayed health values on ctra's health bars) heights were within a specific range (i.e. it never happened when the height was >40.32x or something like that) |
| 20:11.07 | Shirik | clad|work: You floating around? |
| 20:11.14 | clad|work | here and there |
| 20:11.31 | Shirik | I know this won't exactly be easy but |
| 20:11.54 | Shirik | When I have both my talents window and my quest log open at the same time, they overlap if I have lightheaded open :( and sometimes I want to see both at once |
| 20:11.58 | Cide | can you conquer the world? please |
| 20:12.07 | Shirik | but I know that can be a pain so |
| 20:12.13 | Shirik | just throwing that out there |
| 20:12.24 | Cide | :SetFrameStrata("FULLSCREEN") imo. |
| 20:12.39 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: do you have a wide-screen monitor? |
| 20:12.42 | Shirik | ya |
| 20:14.21 | clad|work | Shirik: i can't/won't fix it right now.. next graphical update should fix it for you |
| 20:14.21 | Shirik | ok :) |
| 20:14.21 | clad|work | rewriting part of the code |
| 20:14.21 | clad|work | core |
| 20:14.21 | clad|work | heh |
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| 20:15.35 | Kaydeethree | wow... haven't seen that since the mass-join AV days |
| 20:15.45 | Kaydeethree | an entirely blue map, no lost caps, all the gys and mines alliance-controlled |
| 20:15.50 | TS|Skrom | later folks, quittin' time here! |
| 20:15.59 | |Jelly| | Take it easy |
| 20:15.59 | TC-Working | laters TS|Skrom |
| 20:17.13 | TC-Working | WTB properly working forums |
| 20:18.08 | zenzelezz | woot, Cairenn is awake |
| 20:18.09 | TC-Working | camn, you got the drop on me |
| 20:18.13 | TC-Working | err..damn* |
| 20:18.46 | TC-Working | i guess i will go bug the nice people over at wowi as well |
| 20:19.59 | TC-Working | ofc, it seems that no matter where i go, i find stupid people |
| 20:20.05 | Shirik | this is awesome |
| 20:20.12 | Shirik | the internet has never been this fast before |
| 20:20.21 | Shirik | I imagine everyone else can't connect cause they don't hvae a DNS either |
| 20:20.34 | Shirik | I have a router all to myself :D |
| 20:21.12 | |Jelly| | lawl |
| 20:21.53 | TC-Working | cant have Shirik feeling happy about his connection, space and time as we know it would shatter |
| 20:22.42 | |Jelly| | That happened the other day/week when he posted a picture of his UI and it was proven that he uses KTM. |
| 20:22.46 | Elkano | ok, cide, seems like I have some base usage but smaller per/bar usage where yours increases more per bar. so I'll look into improving that base a bit :) |
| 20:23.00 | Elkano | so thanks for looking through that anyways :) |
| 20:23.02 | Thrae | I admit it. I use Cosmos, CTRA, and PitBull. |
| 20:23.26 | |Jelly| | Thrae: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651 Stop ruining WoW! |
| 20:24.33 | Cide | Elkano: I noticed that too; your code seemed to run at constant time.. although while that sounds nice in theory, I don't think that's possible in reality in this case -- your algorithm might reach linear time (with a lower base, as you said) with some optimization though |
| 20:24.44 | TC-Working | lolz |Jelly| (about deleting the blizz ui) |
| 20:24.52 | Kaydeethree | hah. that thread's funny |
| 20:25.03 | Kaydeethree | I had to restrain myself to say what little I did |
| 20:25.04 | |Jelly| | It's the truf! |
| 20:25.22 | Thrae | |Jelly|: TinyTip is EZ-Mode :( |
| 20:25.37 | TC-Working | i know, but it's elegant, it's true and it makes him look like a moron |
| 20:25.52 | Elkano | well, if I read your code correctly when passing over it your bars are objects handeling their updates while in my case the updates are done by a core and the bars only show that data |
| 20:25.53 | |Jelly| | And yes, Kaydeethree, that thread made me lol a little. A translation of her post is "My computer sucks and I'm going to QQ that I can't run mods." |
| 20:25.54 | Esamynn | hmm, I think the thread got deleted |
| 20:26.03 | |Jelly| | Hey now! I <3 TinyTip! |
| 20:26.27 | TC-Working | indeed, i TT as well |
| 20:26.37 | Cide | Elkano: correct |
| 20:26.44 | |Jelly| | Hunter is EZ-Mode! |
| 20:26.54 | Cide | Elkano: what's the difference? |
| 20:26.56 | Elkano | with EBB supporting multiple bar groups and thus the same buff showing up more than once, your approach wouldn't be working for EBB |
| 20:27.07 | Cide | why not? |
| 20:27.38 | Elkano | well, if every bar would gather it's own data I would have data polled twice maybe |
| 20:27.43 | TC-Working | you would be generating it for each bar instead of generating it once and displaying it? |
| 20:27.54 | Cide | updating the display and gathering data are two separate things |
| 20:28.01 | Shirik | "Yes. It's illegal. In fact, all mods are illegal! You're all just a bunch of botting chinese farmers!" |
| 20:28.06 | Kaydeethree | gah. why is the server busy today? it's monday... |
| 20:28.08 | Shirik | |Jelly| >< |
| 20:28.29 | foxlit | "These performance enhancing add ons "! |
| 20:28.35 | foxlit | gief! |
| 20:28.40 | |Jelly| | Shirik: <3 |
| 20:28.45 | Elkano | especialy when it comes to filtering for the groups having the pregathered data is most likely a bit faster than calling the API over and over again for me |
| 20:28.47 | Cide | in fact, gathering data is done in a separate process and file |
| 20:28.48 | foxlit | All addons I have are perforamnce reducing :( |
| 20:29.13 | Cide | Elkano: I'm calling the api once per buff, regardless of how many times it's displayed. you're assuming an inefficient approach is necessary when it's not |
| 20:29.16 | Elkano | hmm... than maybe the addons are more similar than I thought |
| 20:29.47 | Cide | foxlit: do you have any ace2 addons? if so, I would disagree with your previous statement ;) |
| 20:29.59 | Cide | bah |
| 20:30.00 | |Jelly| | And people [Sorry Cog] think writing more and more stickies will help people. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109881861&sid=1 |
| 20:30.03 | Cide | I'm too much of a chicken |
| 20:30.08 | Cide | that would've been more fun without the ";)" |
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| 20:30.51 | foxlit | Cide: yes, but that's because some people insist on using Ace2 :) |
| 20:31.40 | kergoth | hmm, is there a macro conditional for if you're in a party/raid? |
| 20:31.41 | Cide | foxlit: well, any and all ace2 addons are by definition performance enhancing, so your previous statement is 100% incorrect |
| 20:31.51 | foxlit | What, they make wow run faster? |
| 20:32.05 | Cide | yes indeed! |
| 20:32.26 | Cide | haven't you heard? latest reports indicate a 87.3% fps increase |
| 20:32.31 | foxlit | Did someone invent perpetual motion while I wasn't looking? |
| 20:32.37 | Shirik | I did |
| 20:32.45 | Cide | kergoth: group, I think? |
| 20:33.02 | kergoth | thatd make sense. /me slaps forehead |
| 20:33.15 | Elkano | cide: the funny thing about that ace2 ledgend is that it's rumors spread mainly by users and not coders. |
| 20:33.30 | Shirik | that's the worst part of it |
| 20:33.30 | kergoth | sheep. |
| 20:33.37 | Thrae | |Jelly|: That post overloaded the forums =/ |
| 20:33.40 | Cide | Elkano: while partly true, I tend to disagree to an extent |
| 20:33.45 | Cide | s/partly/mostly/ |
| 20:33.49 | foxlit | I need to make an Ace2 mod! |
| 20:34.01 | Shirik | Elkano: Any time such an issue is spread by users and not developers, bad things happen |
| 20:34.08 | Shirik | such as the "Increased memory usage is bad!" myth |
| 20:34.10 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.11 | Cide | authors help spread the rumors a lot, too. it might not be apparent at first, but oh yes, they do |
| 20:34.22 | Shirik | In Lua, for two equally well written addons, higher memory usage means less CPU cycles |
| 20:34.38 | Shirik | unfortunately users take what information they're given and try to decipher it |
| 20:34.41 | Shirik | typically incorrectly |
| 20:34.46 | kergoth | Increas*ing* can be, depending. Increased, no |
| 20:34.47 | Elkano | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.53 | |Jelly| | I want someone to make an ACE2(purpose) mod to just bog the hell out of someone's machine. So we can link it every time there's an "OMG! ACE(purpose, again) is zomg bettAr than anything evAr!" |
| 20:35.03 | Shirik | kergoth: note the "equally well written addons" point |
| 20:35.05 | Thrae | |Jelly|: Alright, I added my two cents. |
| 20:35.08 | kergoth | point |
| 20:35.21 | Shirik | if you cache information, for example, this will always have (1) increased memory usage and (2) saved cycles |
| 20:35.22 | |Jelly| | Thrae: To? The addons ruining WoW post? |
| 20:35.26 | Thrae | Yeah. |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | My point is |
| 20:35.48 | |Jelly| | Kergoth: Completely agree. |
| 20:35.49 | Shirik | Users should stop trying to make development decisions |
| 20:35.50 | Cide | Elkano: would you say you're in favor of this rumor? do you like it, do you help spread it? |
| 20:35.54 | Shirik | when they haven't the slightest clue wtf they're talking about |
| 20:35.58 | foxlit | Hm, it's cute |
| 20:36.10 | Cide | actually, any and all ace2 authors in here should answer that question |
| 20:36.13 | |Jelly| | That your way of telling me to STFU, Shirik? |
| 20:36.18 | foxlit | I've written a mod that you can actually ask "is it illegal?!" and be completely serious |
| 20:36.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:36.18 | kergoth | i think the rumors about ace performance -hinder- the ace2 community as a whole, and its image |
| 20:36.19 | kergoth | personally |
| 20:36.22 | Shirik | you're not a user anymore, are you? |
| 20:36.27 | Shirik | iirc you did code an addon |
| 20:36.30 | Shirik | that makes you a developer |
| 20:36.31 | |Jelly| | Technically, no. |
| 20:36.36 | |Jelly| | yay! |
| 20:36.37 | Cide | do you, as an author, consider yourself helping spreading the rumor that ace2 addons are better, and that end users should use them over non-ace2 addons? |
| 20:36.37 | Shirik | I saw the code |
| 20:36.48 | |Jelly| | I gragieated! |
| 20:36.48 | Josh_Borke | cide: i've done it |
| 20:36.50 | Shirik | and more specifically if you don't understand something |
| 20:36.54 | Shirik | you asked questions |
| 20:37.01 | Shirik | unlike most people who just infer from it, typically incorrectly |
| 20:37.13 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:37.13 | Cide | Josh_Borke: I mean right now, with any ace2 addons you may have on "the market" |
| 20:37.18 | kergoth | A couple of my addons are ace2, and i wrote aceoo, but a bunch dont use ace2 as well. perpetuating baseless rumors / stats just weakens the image |
| 20:37.35 | |Jelly| | Don't lie. You get tired of my questions! You're just the poor sap that was nice to me once and now, I'm like a leech! 8P |
| 20:37.55 | Cide | kergoth: name one |
| 20:38.07 | Cide | Josh_Borke too, if you'd like |
| 20:38.09 | |Jelly| | Thrae: LOL. Thank you. That post was just what I needed. |
| 20:38.10 | Elkano | Well, a well choosen package of Ace2 addons will often beat a similar non-Ace2 package, especialy when things like combat log parsing is done by multiple addons but simply using Ace2 in an addon doesn't make it better. Though it can make it easier for the coder. |
| 20:38.31 | Cide | Elkano: forgive me: LOL. |
| 20:39.05 | Josh_Borke | cide: no, i don't believe that i am spreading rumors that ace is better. and for the record, i don't have any Ace2 addons |
| 20:39.17 | Cide | Josh_Borke: alright, thanks anyway then :) |
| 20:39.22 | |Jelly| | *interrupts* Elkano: I love your mod! I'll nevuh stop using it! <3 |
| 20:39.28 | Elkano | cide, I know why I used the term "well choosen" ^^ if you want to proof it, you can. if you want to disproof it, you can, too ^^ |
| 20:40.02 | Cide | can you point out a few of these well choosen packages, and a couple of these similar and non-Ace2 counterparts? |
| 20:40.12 | Cide | I'll give you, say.. 10 minutes? 20? |
| 20:40.43 | Shirik | 16:38:33 ‹|Jelly|› Thrae: LOL. Thank you. That post was just what I needed. |
| 20:40.44 | Shirik | show me! |
| 20:40.46 | Cide | to come up with 2-4 compilations on both sides of the fence that meet the requirements |
| 20:40.58 | |Jelly| | Oh man. I just caught on to what's really happening here. Ace2 vs Non-Ace DUEL! *plays the old western music* |
| 20:41.13 | Cide | |Jelly|: welcome to round number 10^99 |
| 20:41.13 | |Jelly| | Are you still DNS-less? |
| 20:41.18 | Shirik | I will make only one comment on Ace and one only |
| 20:41.20 | TC-Working | indeed Cide |
| 20:41.22 | Shirik | no I found a replacement :) |
| 20:41.26 | kergoth | heh, dont look at me, elkano made the claim. i'm likely rewriting my kenergy addon to drop ace2 just cause it doesnt use half of what ace2 provides |
| 20:41.27 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651 |
| 20:41.27 | Kaydeethree | meh. we get enough of this from the ace fanatics on the forums |
| 20:41.34 | Shirik | I am dead sick of users asking me to Ace RDX |
| 20:41.39 | TC-Working | this has been hashed more than any mod in existance |
| 20:41.47 | Shirik | without having any clue what the implications would be |
| 20:41.52 | |Jelly| | Shirik: roflopotumus! |
| 20:41.59 | Shirik | Users need to focus less on Ace. Ace is a tool for developers, not users. |
| 20:42.05 | Shirik | And it needs to be kept that way. |
| 20:42.17 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I know the Ace v. Non-Ace has been argued over and over again but I've never seen it real-time! |
| 20:42.20 | TC-Working | Shirik, your a tool ") |
| 20:42.26 | Cide | kergoth: I'm just curious whether or not ace2 authors consider themselves spreading the rumor that ace2 is better for the end user (in the shape of an end-user addon development platform) |
| 20:42.27 | TC-Working | err.. :)* |
| 20:42.29 | Shirik | yeah, people use me all the time :( |
| 20:42.46 | |Jelly| | Sorry Shirik! <3 |
| 20:42.55 | Elkano | well, take a package including eg a threat meter, a damage meter, a proximity meter, ... each doing combat log arsing of its own. now simply put that combat log parsing into a single addon providing the data for all others would improve performance, wouldn't it? |
| 20:42.57 | Shirik | including that one ^ |
| 20:43.10 | Cide | Elkano: now, find me a few of these packages |
| 20:43.12 | Cide | go. |
| 20:43.12 | Shirik | so where is this Thrae post! |
| 20:43.15 | Cide | 20 minutes. |
| 20:43.21 | Cide | hurry up, you're running out of time. |
| 20:43.22 | |Jelly| | at the bottom! |
| 20:43.24 | kergoth | I don't consider myself doing so. I dislike that the rumor exists at all and think it weakens the community, and the use of ace2 in only one of my addons is representative of the fact that I believe it's just a tool for saving time in the creation of the addon. |
| 20:43.26 | Shirik | oh I see it |
| 20:43.54 | kergoth | course my opinion isnt as big a deal, my name isnt well known in the community like ck and kael and others |
| 20:43.56 | Cide | kergoth: that's what most ace2 authors feel, I think |
| 20:43.59 | Elkano | So for Ace2, choose lost of addons that have synergies like that and choose there common counter parts. |
| 20:44.10 | Shirik | "It boils down to one point -- Playstyle. Some people use W,A,S,D. Some people use the arrow keys. Some people use the mouse. Some people scream at their computer until the vibrations of their voice move the mouse. |
| 20:44.12 | Cide | Elkano: show me some raw data. go. |
| 20:44.18 | Shirik | is Thrae the last of those? |
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| 20:44.24 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: yes |
| 20:44.29 | Cide | Elkano: just name a couple of packages that meet the requirements, on both sides of the fence |
| 20:44.30 | Josh_Borke | except he farts, instead of screams |
| 20:44.35 | kergoth | Shirik, the screaming one sounds fun |
| 20:44.37 | Elkano | and which packages I didn't mean UI compilations uploaded by someone. |
| 20:44.53 | |Jelly| | Jelly has been known to be. |
| 20:45.11 | Cide | Elkano: waiting... 18 minutes and 12 seconds |
| 20:45.11 | Elkano | well, I'm using almost only Ace2 addons so I'm not that good a choise for running that competition ;) |
| 20:45.31 | Cide | Elkano: I just want you to name a few |
| 20:45.41 | Cide | I'm not gonna perform any actual tests, so just go |
| 20:45.51 | TC-Working | yes Shirik, i could have my UI get a pizza and clense it for me |
| 20:45.52 | Elkano | especcialy with running about 200 addons myself *hides* |
| 20:46.29 | Cide | Elkano: waiting. |
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| 20:49.25 | Elkano | well, compare threat (+ Omen maybe) to KTM, Cartographer to hmm, Gatherer + Atlas + AtlasLoot + a mapnote addon + a map revealer + ..., FuBar to Titan, Mendeleev to informant, tinytip to tipbuddy. |
| 20:49.31 | Cide | no |
| 20:49.36 | Cide | find me a package |
| 20:50.17 | Elkano | some may beat there counterparts, some may be beaten by their counterparts but I thing together the ace2 side would beat the other package |
| 20:50.33 | Cide | cut the theorizing crap now |
| 20:51.14 | Cide | and show me 1 well-chosen ace2 package that utilizes these features and one similar, well-chosen, non-ace2 package that doesn't |
| 20:51.48 | Josh_Borke | cide: the problem is that there are some ace addons for which there is no well written counterpart |
| 20:51.59 | Josh_Borke | Cide: see threat. i think we can all agree that KTM is not well written |
| 20:51.59 | Cide | such as? |
| 20:52.08 | Cide | I don't care if they're well written |
| 20:52.32 | |Jelly| | But even Shirik uses it! |
| 20:52.32 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 20:52.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:52.33 | |Jelly| | Hey God! |
| 20:52.34 | Shirik | that doesn't mean it's (1) well written |
| 20:52.35 | |Jelly| | Cog! |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | nor does it mean that (2) I like using it |
| 20:52.48 | Josh_Borke | LUA |
| 20:52.49 | krka | Josh_Borke: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 20:52.50 | |Jelly| | (not even I know what I was thinking in that...) |
| 20:52.51 | |Jelly| | ACE |
| 20:52.54 | Shirik | LUA |
| 20:52.56 | TC-Working | why do you then? |
| 20:53.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:53.03 | Josh_Borke | peer pressure |
| 20:53.03 | |Jelly| | Guild requirements |
| 20:53.06 | Shirik | what was that |
| 20:53.08 | Shirik | LUA |
| 20:53.08 | |Jelly| | He buckled! |
| 20:53.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:53.15 | TC-Working | pfft, i tell my guild to stuff it |
| 20:53.16 | Josh_Borke | he has no spine |
| 20:53.20 | Shirik | I thought maybe krka had some auto-reply to it |
| 20:53.21 | |Jelly| | If he was a teenager, he's be doing dope and having sex! |
| 20:53.30 | Cide | Elkano: ten minutes have passed - done soon? getting bored :) |
| 20:53.33 | TC-Working | krka does |
| 20:53.34 | |Jelly| | he'd |
| 20:53.37 | TC-Working | but it has a delay |
| 20:53.40 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:53.43 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: 15 minute delay |
| 20:53.48 | TC-Working | 15 mor something liek that |
| 20:53.50 | Shirik | fun :) |
| 20:53.54 | TC-Working | crap...cant type today |
| 20:53.56 | Shirik | what about PIN number? |
| 20:54.04 | Elkano | well, as I said, I wont do the search. |
| 20:54.11 | Cide | Elkano: why not? |
| 20:54.13 | TC-Working | or ATM Machine? |
| 20:54.40 | foxlit | mwhahaha! |
| 20:54.43 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 20:54.45 | Shirik | woot svn's up |
| 20:54.48 | Shirik | time to switch computers |
| 20:54.58 | foxlit | "Shirik: please ACE RDX!" |
| 20:54.58 | |Jelly| | some of the forum regulars' bullshit detector isn't in proper working order |
| 20:55.10 | |Jelly| | isn't = aren't |
| 20:55.46 | Elkano | well, it's hard to tell if an addon is well written without running exessive test and comparing it to other addons doing similar stuff. and that still doesn't mean it couldn't be done better |
| 20:55.57 | Cide | Elkano: ok, so |
| 20:55.58 | |Jelly| | I wonder how flamed I can get before they catch on. |
| 20:56.01 | Cide | let's look at what you said again |
| 20:56.06 | Cide | "Well, a well choosen package of Ace2 addons will often beat a similar non-Ace2 package, especialy when things like combat log parsing is done by multiple addons but simply using Ace2 in an addon doesn't make it better. Though it can make it easier for the coder." |
| 20:56.15 | Cide | a few things here that caught my attention |
| 20:56.19 | Elkano | as you said: theory ^^ |
| 20:56.42 | cog|work | |Jelly|: you broke the forums |
| 20:56.43 | Cide | " a well choosen package of Ace2 addons will often beat a similar non-Ace2 package" |
| 20:56.46 | Cide | how is this a theory of yours? |
| 20:56.55 | |Jelly| | I know. |
| 20:56.57 | cog|work | I keep getting Server is Busy errors >< |
| 20:56.58 | |Jelly| | I'm sorry Cog. |
| 20:57.01 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.01 | Cide | surely you must have tested this with several packages |
| 20:57.19 | Cide | given that you know that such packages often beat similar non-ace2 packages |
| 20:57.28 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, see my reply :) |
| 20:57.36 | Cide | yet you can't come up with a single package, ace2 or not, in 20 minutes of time? |
| 20:57.39 | |Jelly| | But this thread broke the internetz : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651 |
| 20:58.00 | |Jelly| | Blorb = you TC? |
| 20:58.05 | TC-Working | yep |
| 20:58.09 | |Jelly| | roger |
| 20:58.24 | Cide | this is not theorizing - you must definitely have raw data to back up your statement! |
| 20:58.25 | TC-Working | we already went over this acronym thing and i won |
| 20:58.45 | |Jelly| | (I really don't care, I mix it up all the time; I'm just bored and wanted to cause a riot) |
| 20:59.05 | TC-Working | you should care, makes it more interesting |
| 20:59.11 | foxlit | Ask for blizzard to ban all non-ace mods! |
| 20:59.19 | foxlit | == riot! |
| 20:59.31 | TC-Working | or what was that thing going around...blizz was going to rewrite the wow ui in cae |
| 20:59.41 | |Jelly| | Why? I couldn't care less if people use ace or non-ace or even if they say that ace is better than non-ace. I use what I want because it works for me. |
| 20:59.45 | TC-Working | s/cae/ace/ |
| 20:59.47 | Elkano | I didn't say it's prooven, but from simple thinking: take a bunch of highly optimized addons that have some code doing the same things. by having that code only rune once for all addons it would improve performance, wouldn't it? |
| 21:00.11 | TC-Working | i meant for screwing around with people |
| 21:00.15 | Cide | Elkano: "often beat" -- quite poor choice of words for a theory of yours, don't you think? |
| 21:00.32 | |Jelly| | Well. I'm failing at pretending to care with a rampant passion. |
| 21:00.43 | |Jelly| | That sentence didn't really make a whole hell of a lot of sense. |
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| 21:00.51 | Elkano | if the number of addons taken in consideration grows larger, the amount of code that can be split of into a lib in order to be run on a shared base increases. |
| 21:00.53 | |Jelly| | And the forums are still broke. |
| 21:00.54 | TC-Working | i cought it |
| 21:01.02 | TC-Working | they are working for me |
| 21:01.08 | TC-Working | caught* |
| 21:01.08 | Cide | it's quite obvious that you weren't talking about a theory of yours when you typed that out |
| 21:01.12 | TC-Working | ...some thing like that |
| 21:01.43 | Cide | Elkano: in fact, you can't even prove that such a package exists, and even less that a non-ace2 counterpart exists |
| 21:01.46 | |Jelly| | 1 post every 60 seconds spread across all the forums is a little excessive |
| 21:02.28 | Elkano | seing that what I said abouve wrt the ace2 package is a personal statement and I do at least consider the Ace2 libs being (highly) optimized, having a package use them as a shared code base should end up better than dos running their own code side by side without sharing. |
| 21:03.10 | |Jelly| | Kaydeethree: You're no fun. |
| 21:03.14 | |Jelly| | None at all. |
| 21:03.39 | Kaydeethree | meh. I couldn't lace it with enough sarcasm to get my point across without getting a short vacation from the forums |
| 21:03.58 | |Jelly| | But you were completely helpful with zero sarcasm! |
| 21:04.05 | |Jelly| | That's...too helpful! |
| 21:04.24 | Kaydeethree | I'll edit in my second line of response, then |
| 21:04.25 | Cide | Elkano: stop trying to defend yourself with nonsense, thanks :) |
| 21:05.30 | Cide | Elkano: and yes, in theory you are correct. parsing the combat log once instead of thrice is a performance gain. however, you can't come up with a single compilation that utilizes this, nor can you come up with a compilation that doesn't utilize this |
| 21:05.40 | Kaydeethree | jelly; check now |
| 21:05.51 | Cide | Elkano: which further proves my point that you haven't tested any of this, yet you were acting as if you had - several times |
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| 21:06.22 | |Jelly| | Must have been a great post. It broke the forums. lol |
| 21:06.40 | foxlit | lua> for w in string.gmatch("this is a string","%S+") do print(w); end |
| 21:06.48 | foxlit | >>> for w in string.gmatch("this is a string","%S+") do print(w); end |
| 21:06.48 | Cide | foxlit: "this", "is", "a", "string" |
| 21:06.55 | |Jelly| | Coming from you, that is borderline epic. |
| 21:07.13 | |Jelly| | If it were to come from me, it would just be jackassery at it's finest. : / |
| 21:09.13 | |Jelly| | TC: Well played. |
| 21:09.16 | TC-Working | :) |
| 21:09.24 | TC-Working | btw buffbars are not beta anymore |
| 21:09.39 | MentalPower|Work | >>> print(strsplit("This is a string")) |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | MentalPower|Work: [string "print(strsplit("This is a string"))"]:1: bad argument #2 to 'strsplit' (string expected, got no value) |
| 21:09.43 | |Jelly| | Fine! I'll edit it! |
| 21:09.53 | MentalPower|Work | >>> print(strsplit("This is a string", " ")) |
| 21:09.54 | Cide | MentalPower|Work: "", "" |
| 21:10.00 | TC-Working | as a matter of fact, go bump http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109881483&sid=1 |
| 21:10.06 | TC-Working | i already did it once |
| 21:10.16 | Cide | >>> (" "):split("this is a string") |
| 21:10.16 | Cide | Cide: [string "(" "):split("this is a string")"]:1: attempt to call method 'split' (a nil value) |
| 21:10.16 | MentalPower|Work | >>> print(strsplit(" ", "This is a string")) |
| 21:10.17 | Cide | MentalPower|Work: "This", "is", "a", "string" |
| 21:10.20 | Cide | boo |
| 21:10.28 | Cide | hm, that's interesting |
| 21:10.31 | Cide | >>> string.split |
| 21:10.32 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 21:10.35 | Cide | cog|work: boo |
| 21:10.37 | MentalPower|Work | I think its wrong... |
| 21:11.02 | TC-Working | we are such forum whores....we really should get Lopeppeppy in here |
| 21:11.02 | Cide | the separator goes first in wow too, MentalPower|Work |
| 21:11.02 | MentalPower|Work | doesn't strsplit split on whitespace by deafult? |
| 21:11.03 | TC-Working | so we corodinate |
| 21:11.03 | TC-Working | can* |
| 21:11.05 | Cide | oh, hm |
| 21:11.07 | MentalPower|Work | default* |
| 21:11.19 | Cide | MentalPower|Work: nope |
| 21:11.24 | |Jelly| | TC: I honestly thought at first glance that thread was a keylogger using EBB. I was pretty sad. |
| 21:11.27 | Cide | the separator is the first argument and it errors when nil |
| 21:11.37 | |Jelly| | And I agree, we need more gnome love in here! |
| 21:11.46 | TC-Working | hardly what i meant.... |
| 21:11.46 | cog|work | Cide: that's strange.... string.split = wow.strsplit is in my alias chunk |
| 21:11.47 | |Jelly| | Cog...just doesn't do it for me. |
| 21:11.49 | MentalPower|Work | hmm... oh well |
| 21:12.04 | Cide | cog|work: hmm, maybe I'm outdated |
| 21:13.39 | foxlit | cog|work: your wowlua distribution comes with no lua.dll? :) |
| 21:13.49 | foxlit | Or am I being an idiot and not looking in the right places? |
| 21:13.50 | cog|work | it statically links |
| 21:14.07 | Elkano | well, Cide, sorry if you got me wrong... I tend to leave out parts that are obviuos to me (but unfortunatly not to others :/ ) |
| 21:14.10 | Kaydeethree | damn it, forums. accept the post |
| 21:14.15 | foxlit | Something goes a bit wrong if I try to add luasocket to your binaries |
| 21:14.19 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 21:14.36 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 21:14.39 | Cide | Elkano: no.. your choice of words makes it quite clear what you meant; not sure how you can twist that into a theory |
| 21:14.54 | foxlit | (lua.exe crashes (windows) upon some http requests) |
| 21:15.00 | cog|work | foxlit: I use a custom Visual C++ project to compile the binaries. |
| 21:15.02 | |Jelly| | Hmm. Kaydeethree posted. To look or not to look. lol |
| 21:15.23 | |Jelly| | Server busy! |
| 21:15.24 | cog|work | you can compile it using mingw yourself if you want |
| 21:15.30 | |Jelly| | x2 |
| 21:16.28 | TC-Working | safari 3 impressions if your interested http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/leopard.s-on-your-vista/safari-3-on-windoze-vista-impressions-one-hour-in-267860.php |
| 21:16.50 | Kaydeethree | woot, rare mob with a ilvl103 blue ring on it |
| 21:16.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lord (n=bla@cpe-91-185-117-32.cpe.vektor.net) |
| 21:17.24 | Lord | hi |
| 21:17.29 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 21:17.30 | cog|work | ih |
| 21:17.31 | Lord | i've got a question about patching |
| 21:17.40 | |Jelly| | Shoot. |
| 21:17.41 | Lord | is there anyone who can help me here please? |
| 21:17.45 | TC-Working | just ask |
| 21:17.47 | cog|work | asking to ask is silly |
| 21:18.01 | Lord | i asked who can i ask, not can i ask |
| 21:18.01 | Lord | :) |
| 21:18.06 | Lord | what do i do with mpq files? |
| 21:18.21 | cog|work | What are you trying to do? |
| 21:18.24 | TC-Working | in what way |
| 21:18.25 | TC-Working | ? |
| 21:18.27 | Lord | i downloaded a patch that contains two of them, named wow-partial-1 and 2 |
| 21:18.40 | Josh_Borke | Lord: wait until you have the entire patch |
| 21:18.41 | Lord | im trying to patch my tbc to 2.01 |
| 21:18.45 | Josh_Borke | the downloader sholud update you |
| 21:19.02 | Lord | i didn't use the blizz game downloader |
| 21:19.09 | |Jelly| | And for the record, the whole "Are you lope?" question TOTALLY just hit me WTF you meant... |
| 21:19.11 | Lord | i got those two from a ftp server |
| 21:19.11 | Josh_Borke | use the blizzard downloader now that you've downloaded it |
| 21:19.24 | Josh_Borke | lord: the blizzard downloader will check it and launch the updater |
| 21:19.35 | cog|work | Lord: you need to put them into the Patches\<whatever the name of the patch> folder |
| 21:19.50 | TC-Working | lol |Jelly|, thats the only other person that posts as much if not more than us |
| 21:20.08 | |Jelly| | She's FAR too helpful though. |
| 21:20.12 | |Jelly| | 8P |
| 21:20.18 | TC-Working | true...maybe we can corupt her? |
| 21:20.21 | Lord | k, will try, thanks for your patience |
| 21:20.22 | |Jelly| | I agree. |
| 21:20.30 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shadowed| (n=wingzero@204.9.178.253) |
| 21:20.30 | TC-Working | see, thats why we need her on here |
| 21:20.33 | |Jelly| | The wheels are in motion... |
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| 21:21.50 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109971679&postId=1097336027&sid=1#0 In motion indeed! |
| 21:21.59 | TC-Working | so i see |
| 21:22.08 | Josh_Borke | ok bye |
| 21:22.19 | |Jelly| | Well. I would have linked it like five minutes ago had the forums not eaten my soul. |
| 21:22.25 | TC-Working | laters Josh_Borke |
| 21:22.41 | |Jelly| | Take care |
| 21:22.54 | cog|work | |Jelly|: Server is Busy >< |
| 21:23.03 | TC-Working | i posted tp it |
| 21:23.05 | TC-Working | to* |
| 21:23.12 | |Jelly| | It can't handle Cog trying to look at it! |
| 21:23.23 | |Jelly| | Please don't make the internets explode, Cog! |
| 21:23.57 | foxlit | >>> string.match("quit reason", "^quit ?(.+)$") |
| 21:23.57 | Cide | foxlit: "reason" |
| 21:23.59 | |Jelly| | But thanks all the same...that was pretty important information I left out there, wasn't it? |
| 21:24.03 | foxlit | >>> string.match("quit", "^quit ?(.+)$") |
| 21:24.03 | Cide | foxlit: nil |
| 21:24.10 | foxlit | >>> string.match("quit", "^quit ?(.-)$") |
| 21:24.10 | Cide | foxlit: "" |
| 21:24.17 | foxlit | >>> string.match("quit reason", "^quit ?(.-)$") |
| 21:24.17 | Cide | foxlit: "reason" |
| 21:24.54 | foxlit | Hrm, that'd work on quitreason as well. I suppose I can't fix that in a single pattern? |
| 21:30.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 21:30.45 | cog|work | >>> string.split |
| 21:30.46 | Cide | cog|work: nil |
| 21:30.47 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 21:31.44 | foxlit | >>> for k in pairs(string) do print(k); end |
| 21:31.44 | Cide | foxlit: "sub", "trim", "upper", "len", "gfind", "rep", "find", "match", "char", "dump", "gmatch", "reverse", "byte", "format", "gsub", "lower" |
| 21:31.47 | Cide | foxlit: did you solve it? if not, what're you trying to match? |
| 21:31.52 | Cide | >>> string |
| 21:31.52 | Cide | Cide: { ["sub"] = function: 009895A0, ["trim"] = function: 0098A9B8, ["upper"] = function: 009895E0, ["len"] = function: 00989460, ["gfind"] = function: 009893A0, ["rep"] = function: 00989520, ["find"] = fu... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 21:31.57 | Cide | weak :P |
| 21:32.02 | foxlit | I win <3 |
| 21:32.17 | foxlit | Trying to write a catch-all quit pattern for Foxbot |
| 21:32.37 | foxlit | So that it'd take "quit", the no-reason-given quit, and "quit Some obscure reason" the reasoned quit request. |
| 21:32.57 | foxlit | I ended up doing does message match quit-with-reason? is message "quit"? |
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| 21:37.38 | TC-Working | i wonder A. how much capacity wow's fourms have now. B. if they can double it. |
| 21:38.10 | Kaydeethree | not enough and I doubt it |
| 21:38.15 | Lord | thnx for your help again, bye everyone |
| 21:39.02 | TC-Working | Kaydeethree, i will admit runing what they have going takes alot of money...but still, i bet they could if they felt like it |
| 21:39.48 | |Jelly| | I'm just wondering why they're so jacked today. It's MONDAY...NOT patch day! |
| 21:40.02 | |Jelly| | Or is it Tuesday and I didn't get the memo? |
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| 21:41.20 | TC-Working | monday |
| 21:41.24 | |Jelly| | Whew. |
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| 21:41.49 | TC-Working | heh, SC2 alpha testing is hoging all the bandwith i am sure :) |
| 21:43.35 | TC-Working | *sigh* i still have to post my UI in the forums |
| 21:43.49 | |Jelly| | yeah. yeah you do. |
| 21:44.22 | TC-Working | but i want it pretty, with arrows showing what item on the screen is which mod |
| 21:44.38 | TC-Working | i did it the other day, then it crashed :) |
| 21:45.10 | TC-Working | err.. :( |
| 21:45.13 | |Jelly| | I think there should be a sticky that's moderated by say...someone... that's a "Show your UI" but you have to post screenshotS and then a list or a link to what you used to make it. Asking there is almost retarded. |
| 21:45.27 | |Jelly| | Oh and unlimited responses. |
| 21:45.31 | |Jelly| | ... |
| 21:45.38 | TC-Working | post a ss of your UI and ss of your addon folder |
| 21:45.48 | |Jelly| | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/7991/ done |
| 21:46.12 | |Jelly| | ...for all intents and purposes, it still looks like that. Subtle changes of course. |
| 21:46.29 | TC-Working | need one where you point out, what mod is what |
| 21:46.42 | |Jelly| | Not enough free real estate. |
| 21:46.56 | TC-Working | ....what are you talking about? |
| 21:47.05 | |Jelly| | ...what are YOU talking about? |
| 21:47.41 | TC-Working | picture...little arrows on it, each one pointing to a different ellement on the screen detailing what addon it is |
| 21:48.02 | |Jelly| | And like I said, not enough realestate. lol |
| 21:48.30 | TC-Working | even if you have two mods you could do it |
| 21:48.54 | |Jelly| | No. I mean there would be lines EVERYWHERE and after a while, it would get to the point where it would be more confusing that helpful. |
| 21:49.22 | TC-Working | not even |
| 21:49.36 | TC-Working | send me one of them |
| 21:49.40 | |Jelly| | I fail at typing. |
| 21:49.47 | |Jelly| | With the lines and arrows? |
| 21:49.57 | TC-Working | plain, i will put the lines and arrows on |
| 21:50.43 | Shirik|AFK | |Jelly| |
| 21:50.44 | Shirik|AFK | I hate you >< |
| 21:50.52 | |Jelly| | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:50.55 | TC-Working | ahh..the sound of an adoring fan |
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| 21:51.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 21:51.11 | |Jelly| | Wait. Say it ain't so! |
| 21:51.29 | |Jelly| | TC: http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1347/uiexplodedqo2.jpg |
| 21:51.34 | Shirik|AFK | I'm hungry but ... |
| 21:51.41 | Shirik|AFK | I don't want to go eat cause there's no internet there now |
| 21:51.46 | Shirik|AFK | the wireless is apparently down too |
| 21:51.49 | Shirik|AFK | along with the DNS |
| 21:51.52 | |Jelly| | That's a perfect reason not to eat. |
| 21:52.01 | TC-Working | heh |
| 21:52.01 | Shirik|AFK | totally |
| 21:55.21 | Shirik|AFK | or mayber |
| 21:55.23 | Shirik|AFK | I get free food |
| 21:55.31 | Shirik|AFK | since the registers won't be connected to the account system |
| 21:55.32 | Shirik|AFK | hmm |
| 21:55.32 | |Jelly| | I say you order in. |
| 21:55.40 | |Jelly| | Internets AND food. |
| 21:55.52 | Shirik|AFK | Kaydeethree: ? |
| 21:56.04 | Kaydeethree | ? |
| 21:56.14 | Shirik|AFK | did you just |
| 21:56.24 | Shirik|AFK | you totally had me confused for like 10 minutes thinking I'm going crazy |
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| 21:56.38 | Shirik|AFK | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651&postId=1096539734&sid=1#16 |
| 21:56.59 | Kaydeethree | if that's the "mods are bad for you" thread, I was yelling at the op, not you |
| 21:57.09 | Shirik|AFK | I know |
| 21:57.12 | Shirik|AFK | but you um |
| 21:57.12 | |Jelly| | You like c/p your post. lol |
| 21:57.15 | Shirik|AFK | ya |
| 21:57.19 | |Jelly| | And i lol'd/ |
| 21:57.26 | Shirik|AFK | and like 2 hours apart too |
| 21:57.30 | Kaydeethree | bah. stupid forums |
| 21:57.36 | |Jelly| | He doesn't mess around. |
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| 21:57.39 | Kaydeethree | baleeted |
| 21:58.03 | |Jelly| | Dear Strongbad! |
| 21:58.40 | |Jelly| | Thanks KD3. Now I look like a double posting crazy person. |
| 21:58.55 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 21:58.59 | |Jelly| | Well. I suppose if they're all true. |
| 21:59.00 | Kaydeethree | glad to help |
| 21:59.01 | |Jelly| | eh |
| 21:59.02 | Shirik|AFK | I think I'm going to start posting on my BE |
| 21:59.05 | Shirik|AFK | so nobody knows who I am |
| 21:59.21 | |Jelly| | We'll totally give you up! |
| 21:59.23 | foxlit | Hrm |
| 21:59.40 | foxlit | That gives me an evil idea! |
| 21:59.41 | |Jelly| | And by we, I mean me! |
| 22:01.00 | |Jelly| | *cues the doom music* |
| 22:01.00 | foxlit | Identify posters based on their writing style programmatically. |
| 22:01.00 | zenzelezz | I don't think there are many French-speaking blood elves |
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| 22:01.01 | Shirik|AFK | it's ok, the only french post in like 2 months |
| 22:01.01 | TC-Working | + check for same realm |
| 22:01.01 | Shirik|AFK | and I missed it |
| 22:01.01 | Shirik|AFK | not same realm actually ;) |
| 22:01.01 | foxlit | Offrealm twinks are not impossible |
| 22:01.01 | |Jelly| | +sig check |
| 22:01.02 | TC-Working | damn, 1 idea down |
| 22:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | though |
| 22:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | yesterday, I had switched to her name |
| 22:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | for about 30 minutesin |
| 22:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | in IRC |
| 22:01.05 | |Jelly| | Yeah. I noticed. |
| 22:01.05 | |Jelly| | Ass. |
| 22:01.29 | Shirik|AFK | 022:382:38 » @2Shirik 14is now known as @2Kimina |
| 22:01.29 | Shirik|AFK | 032:162:14 » @2Kimina 14is now known as @2Shirik |
| 22:01.34 | foxlit | Hey, post "Is this mod Illegal?!" linking to prism! |
| 22:01.46 | Shirik|AFK | !! |
| 22:01.58 | Shirik|AFK | wait wtf |
| 22:02.04 | Shirik|AFK | signatures stay the same across all characters? |
| 22:02.04 | Shirik|AFK | boo! |
| 22:02.12 | |Jelly| | ownt |
| 22:02.18 | cog|work | haha n00b |
| 22:02.20 | |Jelly| | Oh and WTF does your sig mean? |
| 22:02.20 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: Where |
| 22:02.21 | foxlit | But they're updated per-post? |
| 22:02.34 | TC-Working | just un check it then |
| 22:02.36 | Shirik|AFK | |Jelly| the shakespeare part? |
| 22:02.39 | cog|work | foxlit: yes |
| 22:02.40 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 22:02.54 | Shirik|AFK | hehe, /(bb|[^b]{2})/ |
| 22:02.59 | |Jelly| | I both tried and failed to figure out it's cryptic message. |
| 22:02.59 | Shirik|AFK | says "to be or not to be" |
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| 22:03.12 | Shirik|AFK | quite literally it says 2 b or not 2 b's |
| 22:03.24 | foxlit | Dunno, UI customization or something. I'm not sure it's a good idea, but it'd be a deviation from the standard "is this mod legal?" topics |
| 22:03.25 | Shirik|AFK | it's a regular expression, let's see wiki should have it |
| 22:03.32 | Shirik|AFK | ~wikipedia Regular Expression |
| 22:03.36 | |Jelly| | Funny enough, I figured it was that line; just didn't know how it played out. |
| 22:03.52 | Shirik|AFK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_Expression |
| 22:04.06 | Shirik|AFK | you know like when you do *.jpg |
| 22:04.07 | Shirik|AFK | or something |
| 22:04.16 | Shirik|AFK | that's a really really simplified version of a regular expression |
| 22:04.16 | |Jelly| | Hey now! |
| 22:04.32 | |Jelly| | Don't get fancy on us here what with your jay pee gees! |
| 22:04.41 | Shirik|AFK | sorry *.bmp ? |
| 22:04.48 | |Jelly| | Much better. |
| 22:04.51 | Shirik|AFK | ok |
| 22:04.53 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 22:05.17 | |Jelly| | !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:05.23 | Shirik|AFK | !!! |
| 22:05.23 | Shirik|AFK | ? |
| 22:05.27 | TC-Working | it's about time |
| 22:05.36 | |Jelly| | Shirik: [17:05]-->|Lopeppeppy (n=chatzill@cpe-72-230-32-5.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #wowi-lounge |
| 22:05.40 | Kaydeethree | heh. wow froze while I was in AV. got ported out and I didn't get deserter |
| 22:05.41 | cog|work | hi peppy :) |
| 22:05.46 | Kaydeethree | hiya |
| 22:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Said I was a noob, didn't I? Took a bit to figure out my stuff. |
| 22:06.04 | Shirik|AFK | hehehe |
| 22:06.22 | |Jelly| | Seriously...if you only had a link to the topic where I was asking all kinds of noob questions to Shirik and Cog. |
| 22:06.29 | foxlit | http://humorix.org/articles/2002/07/gnudist/ |
| 22:06.37 | TC-Working | some of us were NEVAR noobs |
| 22:06.44 | Shirik|AFK | like Iriel |
| 22:06.45 | |Jelly| | nevAr, eh? |
| 22:06.45 | cog|work | like iriel |
| 22:06.47 | Shirik|AFK | Iriel was born gode |
| 22:06.49 | Shirik|AFK | rofl |
| 22:06.58 | |Jelly| | That's pretty...nevAr.... |
| 22:07.00 | TC-Working | along with slouken |
| 22:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | I've had to earn my godhood the hard way. *sniff* |
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| 22:07.17 | |Jelly| | By c/p and patience? |
| 22:07.22 | |Jelly| | ...I'll never get my Godship. |
| 22:07.26 | Shirik|AFK | setmetatable(Shirik, {__index = God}) |
| 22:07.39 | |Jelly| | setmetatable(Shirik, {__index = Nerd}) |
| 22:07.47 | Shirik|AFK | both are probably true |
| 22:07.59 | foxlit | >>> Shirik = setmetatable({}, {__index = God}); print(Shirik.brain); |
| 22:07.59 | subbawt | NerdGod |
| 22:07.59 | Cide | foxlit: nil |
| 22:08.02 | |Jelly| | probably...or....actually? |
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| 22:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | Copy and paste is the essence of customer service... 6 years retail management, baby. |
| 22:08.30 | cog|work | foxlit: God is undefined |
| 22:08.32 | TC-Working | ~8ball will |Jelly| get godhood? |
| 22:08.48 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 22:08.48 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: That's not fair, you gave me nothing to start with :( |
| 22:08.56 | cog|work | purl, wb |
| 22:08.59 | purl | It's great to be back! |
| 22:08.59 | Shirik|AFK | rofl |
| 22:08.59 | Guillotine | I think thats a no |
| 22:09.09 | TC-Working | wow.... |
| 22:09.12 | |Jelly| | Lopeppeppy: How did you manage without /wrist-ing? |
| 22:09.17 | TC-Working | ~8ball |
| 22:09.20 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: My reply is no |
| 22:09.37 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly: I wore bracers to work? :P |
| 22:09.42 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:09.48 | |Jelly| | Oh man. |
| 22:09.51 | TC-Working | ~wrists |
| 22:09.53 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! http://www.saunalahti.fi/maut0n/makeitcount.jpg |
| 22:10.00 | |Jelly| | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:10.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.10 | foxlit | in more ways than one |
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| 22:10.45 | foxlit | >>> SV |
| 22:10.52 | |Jelly| | I suppose I was lucky. When I had to talk to people, I wasn't forced to play layman and infact spoke over their heads so they wouldn't want to talk to me in the future. I miss that job. |
| 22:10.54 | Shirik|AFK | SV == SavedVariables |
| 22:11.10 | foxlit | >>> print(type(SV)); |
| 22:11.18 | cog|work | uh oh... |
| 22:11.19 | Shirik|AFK | so I'm really, really sorry to ask |
| 22:11.25 | cog|work | i think you broke Cide |
| 22:11.27 | Shirik|AFK | why does everyone know Lopeppeppy except me :( |
| 22:11.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 22:11.36 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly: I did some of that, but my raid mates need a more gentle touch. |
| 22:11.40 | |Jelly| | Because you're only a Forum troll where as we're forum assholes. |
| 22:11.50 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 22:12.04 | Shirik|AFK | I only read stupid posts as of late |
| 22:12.06 | Shirik|AFK | it's depressing |
| 22:12.08 | Shirik|AFK | yes, I'm not really here |
| 22:12.19 | |Jelly| | By the way, I'm speaking for myself here; anyone else can chime in at any time. |
| 22:12.22 | TC-Working | ~Thunder_Child |
| 22:12.26 | foxlit | >>> print(type(SV)); |
| 22:12.26 | Cide- | foxlit: "table" |
| 22:12.31 | Shirik|AFK | |Jelly| no I'm pretty sure you got it right |
| 22:12.36 | foxlit | >>> SV.SV = SV; |
| 22:12.36 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 22:12.42 | |Jelly| | TROLL! |
| 22:12.44 | Shirik|AFK | >>> SV |
| 22:12.44 | TC-Working | yep <-- asshole |
| 22:12.44 | Cide- | Shirik|AFK: { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 008C96B8, ["SV"] = { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 008C96D8, ["SV"] = <table: #2> } (#2) } (#1) |
| 22:12.53 | Shirik|AFK | >>> SV.SV.SV.SV.SV |
| 22:12.53 | Cide- | Shirik|AFK: { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007C9EC0, ["SV"] = <table: #1> } (#1) |
| 22:13.04 | Shirik|AFK | wait why is there only one element in SV |
| 22:13.14 | |Jelly| | No. Lopeppeppy is turning into another Troodi. It's amazing. |
| 22:13.16 | Shirik|AFK | >>> SV = SavedVariables |
| 22:13.16 | Cide- | Shirik|AFK: nil |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik|AFK | ah |
| 22:13.20 | Shirik|AFK | that's why |
| 22:13.24 | Shirik|AFK | oh whoops |
| 22:13.28 | Shirik|AFK | >>> SV == SavedVariables |
| 22:13.28 | Cide- | Shirik|AFK: true |
| 22:13.36 | TC-Working | heh, ace'ing rdx is now on 2 pages |
| 22:13.37 | foxlit | >>> SavedVariables |
| 22:13.37 | Cide- | foxlit: { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007C9EA0, ["SV"] = { ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007C9EC0, ["SV"] = <table: #2> } (#2) } (#1) |
| 22:13.38 | Shirik|AFK | |Jelly|: I get it |
| 22:13.47 | Shirik|AFK | TC-Working: It's not funny!! |
| 22:13.48 | Shirik|AFK | T_T |
| 22:13.50 | |Jelly| | Help me keep that EPIC! |
| 22:14.08 | foxlit | >>> getmetatable(SavedVariables) |
| 22:14.08 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 22:14.09 | |Jelly| | Or perhaps.....LEGENDARY! |
| 22:14.18 | Shirik|AFK | artifact? |
| 22:14.23 | TC-Working | i dunno Shirik|AFK, it's funny to me |
| 22:14.26 | Shirik|AFK | hm, cafeteria is going to close in 45 minutes |
| 22:14.30 | |Jelly| | I really outta post the conversation leading up to that thread being made. |
| 22:14.37 | foxlit | >>> SavedVariables = setmetatable(SavedVariables, {__index = function(t,k) return k; end}) |
| 22:14.37 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 22:14.37 | |Jelly| | No internet = order in. |
| 22:14.40 | Shirik|AFK | DNS is still down |
| 22:14.41 | kergoth | i need a good name for my hunter's new boar. his old one was named Razorback |
| 22:14.48 | foxlit | >>> SavedVariables = setmetatable(SavedVariables, {__index = function(t,k) return k; end}); print(SavedVariables.donut); |
| 22:14.48 | Cide- | foxlit: "donut" |
| 22:14.52 | |Jelly| | Cockshield |
| 22:14.56 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:15.03 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: I doubt the metatable persists |
| 22:15.08 | Shirik|AFK | >>> getmetatable(SavedVariables) |
| 22:15.09 | Cide- | Shirik|AFK: nil |
| 22:15.23 | foxlit | >>> GlobalPersist = true; |
| 22:15.23 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 22:15.26 | foxlit | >>> GlobalPersist |
| 22:15.27 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 22:15.34 | foxlit | so there's a mini-SV thing going on? |
| 22:15.38 | Shirik|AFK | and the __index metamethod does not store to the table, only acts as a proxy |
| 22:15.44 | cog|work | foxlit: yes |
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| 22:15.57 | Shirik|AFK | what you could do is something ilke |
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| 22:16.20 | cog|work | foxlit: you can test in PMs, btw... |
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| 22:16.43 | foxlit | Probably, but then I get no feedback :) |
| 22:16.44 | Shirik|AFK | >>> setmetatable(SavedVariables, {__index = function(t,k) v = 1; rawset(t,k,v); return v; end } ); print(SavedVariables.foo) |
| 22:16.45 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: 1 |
| 22:16.49 | Shirik|AFK | >>> SavedVariables.foo |
| 22:16.49 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: 1 |
| 22:16.57 | Shirik|AFK | but still the metatable doesn't persist |
| 22:17.07 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.30 | cog|work | #cidebottest |
| 22:17.47 | Shirik|AFK | or #RDX |
| 22:17.50 | Shirik|AFK | that's a cool channel too |
| 22:17.51 | Dreadlorde | hi |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik|AFK | even if I'm the only one in it |
| 22:17.54 | Shirik|AFK | hi |
| 22:17.59 | foxlit | #foxlit! |
| 22:17.59 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 22:18.08 | foxlit | Watch me talk to foxbot in cryptic code |
| 22:18.15 | |Jelly| | #jellyisawesomer ! |
| 22:18.20 | |Jelly| | 8( doesn't exist. |
| 22:18.24 | |Jelly| | ...yet |
| 22:18.36 | |Jelly| | Bue |
| 22:18.40 | |Jelly| | bYe |
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| 22:18.49 | Guillotine | #RDX |
| 22:18.58 | TC-Working | leaving |Jelly|? |
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| 22:19.47 | Shirik|AFK | zomg |
| 22:19.51 | Shirik|AFK | Guillotine joined my channel |
| 22:19.52 | Shirik|AFK | me = happyn ow |
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| 22:21.13 | |Jelly| | no |
| 22:21.24 | |Jelly| | Dude said hi and then left. |
| 22:21.30 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109931651&postId=1096238421&sid=1#21 |
| 22:21.33 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 22:21.45 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
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| 22:23.17 | TC-Working | ~poor cog|work |
| 22:23.25 | Lopeppeppy | Never give up, Cog, it just makes them happier. |
| 22:23.58 | cog|work | I mean the forums themselves... :P |
| 22:24.19 | cog|work | Server Busy every couple clicks is very annoying |
| 22:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Must love overload. What can we break next? |
| 22:25.15 | |Jelly| | Giddeaon, are you here? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109832254&sid=1 ??? |
| 22:25.26 | |Jelly| | If so, I owe you a slappin! |
| 22:25.41 | cog|work | Server is Busy... |
| 22:25.47 | |Jelly| | *hug* Cog |
| 22:25.47 | Shirik|AFK | anyway |
| 22:25.51 | Shirik|AFK | I'm going to see if I can grab some food |
| 22:25.52 | Shirik|AFK | take care |
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| 22:26.01 | |Jelly| | Seeya in a bit |
| 22:31.56 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7261-EditBox.html blingbling! |
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| 22:32.31 | zenzelezz | mikma: sweet :) |
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| 22:33.00 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 22:35.57 | |Jelly| | Mikma: Is it Ace?!?!?! |
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| 22:36.18 | TC-WaitingForNam | well...sucks to be me |
| 22:36.37 | Punkie` | i guess it does |
| 22:36.38 | |Jelly| | Especially if you're waiting for a war that happened like 40 years ago |
| 22:36.45 | Punkie` | rofl |
| 22:36.52 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:37.07 | mikma | |Jelly|: it's superace if you ask me :D |
| 22:37.42 | |Jelly| | Mikma: Thanks all the same. I wanted an *easy* way to change this. |
| 22:38.08 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, had gone through more than 50% of that pic...damn circuit breaker triped |
| 22:38.23 | TC-Working | lost it all...not to mention the 5 or so servers it brought down as well |
| 22:38.24 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 22:38.46 | |Jelly| | lol @ server loss / get the fuck back to work @ my pic |
| 22:38.49 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 22:38.56 | zenzelezz | l2UPS |
| 22:39.02 | |Jelly| | oh....BURNT! |
| 22:39.14 | TC-Working | true, the important servers are in the server room, these are just the ones in the NOC |
| 22:39.58 | mikma | |Jelly|: yeah, small ideas are usually pretty nifty :D |
| 22:40.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, JUST the NOC! |
| 22:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | Long as you didn't trip the whole server room, you may survive. |
| 22:40.27 | |Jelly| | mikma: Imma dissect it to see how it works. 8P |
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| 22:40.45 | TC-Working | yes..there are 50+ in the server room..so a mear 9 in here are nothing |
| 22:40.47 | mikma | |Jelly|: http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EditBox/EditBox.lua |
| 22:40.50 | TC-Working | meer? |
| 22:41.02 | TC-Working | damn, WTB speel check |
| 22:41.05 | TC-Working | spell* |
| 22:41.21 | |Jelly| | WTS failure lessons |
| 22:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | WTS slightly used dictionary. |
| 22:41.57 | |Jelly| | WTS www.google.com_is_faster <3 |
| 22:42.38 | |Jelly| | Oh and thanks mikma but I <3 SciTE. I just need to learn to not be a noob. And I learn by breaking. So... yeah |
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| 22:47.22 | TC-Working | anyone know where to get a 6 ft HDMI to HDMI calbe with a right angle on one side? |
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| 22:55.10 | cog|work | place i get cables from doesn't have any with 90 deg. connectors |
| 22:55.32 | Busko | hi guys and girls, anyone used a addon called moveanything ? |
| 22:55.55 | cog|work | used to... causes some taint problems in 2.0 though (unless it's been fixed) |
| 22:55.58 | Kaydeethree | meh, I try to avoid MA. all of my mods' frames can be moved on their own |
| 22:56.19 | Busko | cog|work for moveanything ? |
| 22:56.26 | TC-Working | not a connecter cog|work, a cable that has it buit in |
| 22:56.43 | Busko | oh hehe :P |
| 22:57.25 | TC-Working | i am sure there is signal Degradation with a connecter |
| 22:57.52 | cog|work | i didn't mean a separate connector piece... i just meant the connector on the end of the cable |
| 22:57.56 | cog|work | Busko: yeah |
| 22:58.22 | Busko | well it works very well well for me but one problem |
| 22:58.26 | TC-Working | yea, i cant find any...yet you think someone would have made one by now... |
| 22:58.29 | Busko | when i open bag in combat i get error |
| 22:58.42 | Busko | and bag show in defult bag slot |
| 22:58.46 | Busko | not where i put it |
| 22:58.54 | cog|work | TC-Working: i suppose they expect you to have at least a few inches clearance behind whatever you're plugging it into... |
| 22:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | Busko: that's the taint issue in a nutshell. |
| 22:59.08 | Busko | :/ oh |
| 22:59.11 | Busko | damn |
| 22:59.27 | Busko | anyone know addon that dose the same without problem ? :D |
| 22:59.33 | cog|work | Busko: do yourself a favor and get a bag mod like TBag, OneBag, ArkInventory, etc. |
| 23:00.00 | TC-Working | not always cog|work, hell look at the selling point behind one of the adapters "What's the point of having that handsome, sleek, flat-panel monitor in place if the connections to that panel make the monitor stick out another 4 or 5 inches from the wall?" |
| 23:00.35 | cog|work | didn't say they were correct in expecting that :P |
| 23:00.56 | TC-Working | well, it makes me think that someone, anyone would have made one by now |
| 23:01.16 | Busko | hehe yea problem is i moved around other frames to |
| 23:02.08 | Busko | all those mods u said cog are they like 1 big bag ? i dont really like that thats why i dident get onebag thing |
| 23:02.42 | cog|work | TBag & ArkInventory use one window, but they categorize items so they go into different areas of the window depending on what they are |
| 23:03.05 | Kaydeethree | OneBag uses one frame but can show each of the bags individually |
| 23:03.08 | cog|work | it's not just one big bag that you have to manage yourself |
| 23:03.34 | Busko | dose it let me manage my bank also ? |
| 23:03.53 | cog|work | Tbag does, I think ark does, and onebag has a companion mod, onebank |
| 23:04.20 | bleeter | heh, woot, finally got time to test wow in wine 0.9.38, all seems good :) |
| 23:04.45 | Lopeppeppy | PINE is not ELM. :) |
| 23:04.51 | Busko | ok cog thax i will try them out |
| 23:04.55 | Kaydeethree | it's been working fine for me |
| 23:05.01 | Busko | any of them ace2 ? |
| 23:05.07 | cog|work | ark is |
| 23:05.12 | Kaydeethree | does it matter? |
| 23:05.43 | Busko | nop but makes it ezer to find it :P |
| 23:05.53 | cog|work | Busko: though, if your motivation is anything but using the wow ace updater then don't pay attention to that fact :P |
| 23:06.05 | TC-Working | ~ignore Codayus |
| 23:06.29 | purl | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Codayus!" |
| 23:06.29 | TC-Working | oops, damn tab |
| 23:06.29 | TC-Working | completer |
| 23:06.36 | cog|work | :( |
| 23:07.06 | Busko | dont use auto update stuff :P |
| 23:10.46 | Shirik | 2 |
| 23:12.18 | Guillotine | wait, purl is a she? but thats impossibible! Therse no gurls on teh interwebz |
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| 23:12.44 | TC-Working | ~slap Guillotine |
| 23:12.54 | purl | ACTION slaps Guillotine, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:12.54 | TC-Working | err.. |
| 23:12.56 | TC-Working | ~bitchslap Guillotine |
| 23:12.58 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Guillotine |
| 23:13.03 | TC-Working | is what i meant |
| 23:13.04 | cog|work | There's plenty of gurlz on tah intarwebz |
| 23:13.16 | cog|work | Computer Science is another story... |
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| 23:14.54 | Busko | sThanx for your help all ^^ will go try them out and see if there is any for my liking :P |
| 23:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | Last I checked, I was even a gurl who took a Comp Sci course. *shrug* |
| 23:15.17 | cog|work | :) |
| 23:15.31 | TC-Working | there were quite a few taking networking with me |
| 23:15.47 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Impossible |
| 23:16.09 | TC-Working | fyi Lopeppeppy, i'm Blorb |
| 23:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | Really-really. |
| 23:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Cog. Peppy works well too as needed. Good to know, Blorb! |
| 23:17.31 | TC-Working | just incase you need to scream at me, it's handy for |Jelly|napping |
| 23:18.03 | Industrial | IM SCREAMING AT YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON |
| 23:18.12 | Shirik | |Jelly|napping's annoying because I have to hit | to tab complete |
| 23:18.15 | Shirik | instead of just typing her name >< |
| 23:18.21 | TC-Working | ~scream Industrial |
| 23:18.34 | TC-Working | heh Shirik, i know that feeling |
| 23:18.35 | Shirik | that goes for all of you with names that don't start with letters!! |
| 23:18.36 | Shirik | [Ammo]! |
| 23:18.41 | Shirik | and [Ammoo] for that matter! |
| 23:18.59 | TC-Working | and that @Cairenn person |
| 23:19.02 | TC-Working | :) |
| 23:19.06 | Industrial | Shirik: irssi completes Am to [Ammo] and [Ammoo] just fine |
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| 23:19.09 | Shirik | ya seriously, who does she think hse is |
| 23:19.12 | Shirik | putting a @ in front of her name |
| 23:19.15 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 23:19.18 | Industrial | srsly |
| 23:19.23 | |]|Guillotine | Industrial: does it match mine now? >.> |
| 23:19.25 | TC-Working | even worse @ChanServ, the bastard |
| 23:19.29 | Industrial | |]|Guillotine: ofcource |
| 23:19.32 | Industrial | se* |
| 23:19.40 | |]|Guillotine | dammit |
| 23:19.41 | Shirik | how do I know you didn't type |] |
| 23:19.49 | Shirik | hrm? |
| 23:19.55 | Industrial | you dont, but you may assume |
| 23:19.58 | Industrial | :> |
| 23:20.07 | |]|Guillotine | ]][]\ |
| 23:20.10 | |]|Guillotine | whoops |
| 23:20.32 | Industrial | it does |]| but not ]| |
| 23:21.50 | TC-Working | *sigh* still 4 days left |
| 23:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | Four days until what, TC-Working? |
| 23:22.19 | TC-Working | till i get to quit work |
| 23:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | I looked pretty far forward to that once upon a time, I know the feeling. |
| 23:22.55 | TC-Working | i get to be a bum again for a while |
| 23:24.05 | TC-Working | that includes finaly getting to 70 |
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| 23:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh... the magical 70! Like turning 21, it's not necessarily all it's cracked up to be. |
| 23:26.15 | cog|work | My wife's 21st b-day was less significant than mine because mine came first.... |
| 23:26.36 | cog|work | >.> |
| 23:27.20 | TC-Working | it's better for wow than rl |
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| 23:28.01 | Industrial | alcohol meh, thats not dangerous |
| 23:28.04 | Industrial | guns are. |
| 23:28.14 | cog|work | be glad i have to go home |
| 23:28.16 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | Guns, meh, they're not dangerous, bullets are. |
| 23:28.19 | Industrial | ;D |
| 23:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | Be glad I don't? |
| 23:28.35 | N00bZXI | I can't believe I didn't know of this channel till today. |
| 23:29.16 | TC-Working | N00bZXI = Distract? |
| 23:29.23 | N00bZXI | On forums, yes |
| 23:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to the First Day party, NoobZXI. Have a noise-maker. |
| 23:29.50 | TC-Working | ~cookie TC-Working |
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| 23:29.57 | N00bZXI | :) |
| 23:30.06 | TC-Working | damit purl |
| 23:30.12 | TC-Working | ~botslap |
| 23:30.42 | purl | Hey what was that for, tc-working? |
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| 23:33.23 | N00bZXI | So, now that I've finished reading http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=109971652&sid=1 I am curious.. what caused this? |
| 23:34.49 | foxlit | Ace2's incredible superiority to all other addon frameworks ever. |
| 23:35.29 | TC-Working | |Jelly|napping caused it... |
| 23:35.56 | Kaydeethree | a random offhand comment by shirik a few minutes before that post was made |
| 23:38.08 | Shirik | not really |
| 23:38.16 | Shirik | I said it to |Jelly|napping in pm |
| 23:38.22 | Shirik | and then she's all like taking that to forums |
| 23:38.48 | Shirik | 16:48:41 ‹Shirik› I care about (1) stupid authors and (2) users making stupid decisions |
| 23:38.49 | Shirik | 16:48:49 ‹Shirik› such as "Hey Shirik go make RDX Ace so we can use it" |
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| 23:38.49 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o clad|work] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.39 | TC-Working | heh, Cairenn is getting in the gaame |
| 23:39.43 | TC-Working | game* |
| 23:39.46 | Cairenn | naw |
| 23:39.49 | TC-Working | but not faning the flames :( |
| 23:40.01 | TC-Working | " Been around since Dec 2005: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2374&highlight=irc" |
| 23:40.02 | Shirik | so like, I'm looking at a game I used to play |
| 23:40.03 | TC-Working | is you |
| 23:40.10 | Shirik | which has server PvP rankings, just like WoW |
| 23:40.14 | Shirik | I've been gone for about 6 months now |
| 23:40.16 | Cairenn | yeah, but that isn't me getting "into the game" :p |
| 23:40.17 | Shirik | and I'm still #39 |
| 23:40.22 | N00bZXI | Isn't RDX paid-for? |
| 23:40.27 | Shirik | I'm like "wtf have you guys been doing" |
| 23:40.38 | Cairenn | one version of it |
| 23:40.43 | N00bZXI | Ah |
| 23:40.44 | Shirik | N00bZXI: not mine |
| 23:40.48 | TC-Working | RDX.cid isnt |
| 23:40.53 | Shirik | s/mine/mine\/Cidan's |
| 23:41.06 | TC-Working | L2Replace |
| 23:45.25 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:45.40 | Shirik | s/Cidan's/Cidan's\// |
| 23:45.44 | Shirik | bleh |
| 23:45.45 | Shirik | I give up |
| 23:46.09 | clad|work | FAIL |
| 23:48.03 | Shirik | Cairenn! |
| 23:48.08 | Shirik | You're not supposed to bump that thread!! |
| 23:48.09 | Cairenn | what? |
| 23:48.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:48.16 | Shirik | You're supposed to let it fall off so my disgrace can be ignored T_T |
| 23:48.21 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha |
| 23:48.59 | foxlit | wiki question, but it looks like something very strange is going on, so I need someone to slap me with some trout after pointing out what's going on |
| 23:49.01 | foxlit | <foxlit> How does http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/6 link to http://www.wowwiki.com/- ? |
| 23:49.20 | Kaydeethree | redirect? |
| 23:49.47 | foxlit | Both pages exist |
| 23:49.50 | Shirik | it doesn't to me |
| 23:49.55 | foxlit | - doesn't |
| 23:49.55 | Kaydeethree | and it's not linking to me, it's showing "Link to - contamination text" and a {{lootbox}} |
| 23:49.59 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=- |
| 23:50.13 | foxlit | But whatlinkshere says it does. Question: why? :) |
| 23:50.59 | Shirik | The following pages link to here: |
| 23:51.00 | Shirik | View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). |
| 23:51.00 | Shirik | * WoWWiki:Sandbox |
| 23:51.00 | Shirik | View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). |
| 23:51.04 | Shirik | I see no index |
| 23:51.57 | foxlit | Kael'thas Sunstrider (tactics) |
| 23:51.57 | foxlit | The Lurker Below |
| 23:51.57 | foxlit | WoWWiki:Sandbox/6 |
| 23:51.57 | foxlit | Magtheridon (tactics) |
| 23:52.16 | foxlit | (Sandbox 6 links to -) |
| 23:56.46 | foxlit | Answer: #ifexist: parerfunc in Lootbox/Row counts as a link, even if it is no such thing. |
| 23:59.08 | Shirik | you all suck |
| 23:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* I've spent the last 2 hours weeding out a virus I got while I was trying to connect to here. This is very not my day. |
| 23:59.14 | Shirik | Blorb, whomever you are! |
| 23:59.40 | Corrodias | i screwed up a veterinary clinic's data today. well, friday, but i found out today. |
| 23:59.40 | N00bZXI | I should ask |
| 23:59.52 | N00bZXI | If I have some question reguarding efficiency |
| 23:59.56 | Corrodias | i sent out another two so i may have screwed up one today, too |
| 23:59.56 | N00bZXI | Is there a problem with asking it here? |
