| 00:00.14 | Lunessa | Ok, I like having a roof and utilities too. :p |
| 00:03.17 | Shirik | yey |
| 00:03.19 | Shirik | she figured it out |
| 00:03.36 | Shirik | foxlit: complete, 667s |
| 00:03.38 | |Jelly| | ...after giving you my password and failing at t3h intarnetz |
| 00:03.46 | Shirik | verify took 4.6 |
| 00:03.58 | foxlit | Yeah, significantly shorter exponent :) |
| 00:04.09 | foxlit | worked, at least? |
| 00:04.22 | Shirik | yup :) |
| 00:04.29 | foxlit | I sort of added padding since I last ran the full thing :) |
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| 00:05.26 | foxlit | Woah, get a mac is vicious! |
| 00:06.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:06.06 | foxlit | http://images.apple.com/getamac/ads/ |
| 00:06.12 | foxlit | Awesome but mean :) |
| 00:11.41 | foxlit | But anyhow, I'll check up on you tomorrow :P |
| 00:11.49 | Shirik | take care :) |
| 00:11.52 | foxlit | Or later today. Odd sense of time past midnight. |
| 00:17.11 | TC-Working | http://www.fukung.net/v/4890/oh-snap1.gif |
| 00:19.28 | Shirik | ya I saw that :P |
| 00:20.10 | TC-Working | http://www.fukung.net/v/362/lost_dog_1.jpg |
| 00:21.48 | TC-Working | heh, read the msg, i'm lazy http://www.fukung.net/v/474/binary.jpg |
| 00:24.14 | Shirik | fyi |
| 00:24.29 | Shirik | compiling openssl |
| 00:24.35 | Shirik | takes forever -_- |
| 00:26.57 | TC-Working | lolz http://www.fukung.net/v/710/churchsign6zm.jpg |
| 00:28.23 | zenzelezz | it never stops being embarassing to fall to your death in Shattrath |
| 00:29.06 | |Jelly| | ...especially if you have a flyer |
| 00:29.41 | JoshBorke | Shirik: have you compiled octave or oracle? |
| 00:29.49 | Shirik | nope :P |
| 00:30.19 | JoshBorke | k, try that, then get back to me :-D |
| 00:36.13 | Lunessa | Falling to your death remains embarrassing under all circumstances. Especially if you invoked the ire of the gods by saying, "Check this out," "Hey ya'll, watch this," or "This'll be cool." |
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| 00:37.16 | zenzelezz | you know the room after curator, between the two spiral stairs? |
| 00:37.37 | TC-Working | http://www.fukung.net/v/720/school.gif |
| 00:37.38 | zenzelezz | I once died on the way up on the other side. They ressed me, and I spotted a corpse below that I could loot... |
| 00:37.42 | zenzelezz | jumped, and died |
| 00:37.47 | zenzelezz | they laughed at me on TS :-( |
| 00:38.22 | TC-Working | >.< http://www.fukung.net/v/1349/wow4twiw3ji1.gif |
| 00:39.56 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 00:40.40 | Kaydeethree | damn it |
| 00:40.43 | Kaydeethree | gruul's bugged again |
| 00:40.47 | Kaydeethree | hsing #3 |
| 00:40.59 | Lunessa | Being a guild leader/officer in rough terrain can be hazardous to your health, I can't count the number of times I've run off a cliff, fallen off a mountain or other terrain feature while trying to do guild business. |
| 00:49.27 | cladhaire | Anyone played with SetCursor? |
| 00:49.34 | TC-Working | interesting....910 pages on the wow general forums yet 909 is half full |
| 00:49.44 | TC-Working | or 1/4 w/e |
| 00:50.40 | cladhaire | Can anyone convert a tga to an uncompressed BLP for me? |
| 00:51.22 | JoshBorke | just say no! |
| 00:51.50 | TC-Working | cladhaire, http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/90/ |
| 00:52.04 | cladhaire | i dont have a windows machine |
| 00:52.06 | Lunessa | Clad - why not just use TGA? |
| 00:52.07 | cladhaire | that's why i'm asking for help |
| 00:52.16 | cladhaire | Lunessa: because its for a cursor, which only takes uncompressed blp |
| 00:52.33 | Lunessa | Ah, One sec.. let me d/l the tool and I'll do it for you. |
| 00:52.38 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 00:55.09 | Kaso | Arrowmaster. |
| 00:58.46 | cladhaire | HAHAH FUCKING HOT |
| 01:01.22 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 01:01.28 | JoshBorke | i think clad went off the deepend...again |
| 01:01.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:01.48 | cladhaire | this is really cool =) |
| 01:02.14 | JoshBorke | the new armory stuff? |
| 01:02.22 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:02.23 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:02.26 | JoshBorke | bah |
| 01:02.31 | JoshBorke | be more descriptive! |
| 01:02.34 | JoshBorke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 01:02.34 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if cladhaire doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 01:02.44 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 01:02.47 | cladhaire | so appropriate |
| 01:02.57 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 01:04.39 | Kaso | I think this is about the most efficient code i've ever written, but is there anywhere that i can still improve? The Custom iterator seems a little questionable to me; http://wowi.pastey.net/52166 |
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| 01:09.02 | mikma | Kaso: what's this? region:SetText(KasoBubbles:Repalce(region:GetText(),item,color)) |
| 01:09.36 | mikma | well, what does repalce mean |
| 01:09.52 | Nerinia | ~dict repalce |
| 01:09.58 | Nerinia | :( |
| 01:10.09 | Lunessa | He replaces plain text with the item link. |
| 01:10.30 | Bam__ | is there any way to make a SecureActionButton perform more than one action similar to the way macros can? |
| 01:11.27 | Lunessa | Kaso - that's really slick. If I used chat bubbles, I'd install this. :) |
| 01:12.42 | Arrowmaster | Kaso: yeah that does seem quite questionable, defining the function everytime through the that for loop.... |
| 01:13.04 | JoshBorke | nn |
| 01:13.08 | Karrion | Bam__: I believe you can have a secure button execute a macro |
| 01:13.29 | Karrion | or (I think) even attach macro text directly to it |
| 01:13.35 | Bam__ | Karrion: yea I know... I should have said "without using macros" :) |
| 01:13.56 | Karrion | then no ;-) |
| 01:14.05 | Arrowmaster | you can set multiple attributes on secureactionbuttons |
| 01:14.13 | Bam__ | I am just wondering about the strength of macros compared to secure attributes... it seems macros can do more |
| 01:14.40 | Bam__ | Arrowmaster: yes but not so that they execute in a sequence? |
| 01:14.55 | Nerinia | Bam__: Here is an example - http://wowi.pastey.net/52173 |
| 01:14.57 | Bam__ | meaning.. with only one click |
| 01:15.00 | Arrowmaster | you mean like a /castsequence? |
| 01:15.02 | Karrion | they're kind of orthogonal concepts |
| 01:15.41 | Nerinia | And then you can do /click NextMacroButton :P |
| 01:15.47 | Bam__ | no.. I mean like could I implement something like "/dismount; /cast Something; /stopcasting; /cast SomethingElse |
| 01:15.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 01:16.10 | Bam__ | Nerinia: thanks.. but it's not what I am after :) |
| 01:16.12 | Arrowmaster | unless you use the macrotext attribute |
| 01:16.19 | Nerinia | Ah, ok |
| 01:17.08 | zenzelezz | macros are secure* without frames |
| 01:17.10 | zenzelezz | sort of |
| 01:17.29 | Bam__ | just to explain why I ask... I have spent some time implementing a generic "ActionButton" component that can handle all attribute types... now I am starting to wonder how useful it really is considering I would most of the time use macros or the macrotext attribute |
| 01:17.39 | Kaso | mikma, its a typo im too lazy to fix ofc :> and Arrowmaster, yah i though i had that function outside the loop, clearly not >.< |
| 01:18.17 | mikma | Kaso: that's cool. accidental typos that work are the best, they screw people up when they look the code |
| 01:18.23 | Kaso | haha |
| 01:18.27 | Bam__ | just a simple thing like this macro: "/startattack; /cast Something" cannot be implemented with attributes, I think |
| 01:18.43 | Bam__ | apart from macrotext |
| 01:19.27 | Karrion | no, because macros are 'special' in that they can execute multiple actions (which is why they exist in the first place) |
| 01:20.57 | Kaso | hokay, so http://wowi.pastey.net/52183 |
| 01:21.39 | Kaso | moved the itterator definition outside the scan function so it isnt re-defined every 0.1sec |
| 01:23.02 | Bam__ | hmm yea... but is there much or anything at all you can NOT do in a macro that you can do with a SecureActionButton? |
| 01:24.02 | Kaso | Arrowmaster, lovely fast, efficient code is now uploaded to wowi, once an admin has accepted it, there you go. |
| 01:24.31 | Arrowmaster | cool |
| 01:25.05 | Arrowmaster | i hope to never see it listed as #1 memory usage addon again by my preformancefu |
| 01:25.37 | Karrion | Bam__: no... but you have to have some way to actually click the macro, which is where the action buttons come in |
| 01:25.39 | Kaso | To get it to no1 you must have had alot of /say spam. |
| 01:26.12 | Arrowmaster | i think i was standing near some npcs |
| 01:26.24 | Arrowmaster | for a while |
| 01:26.46 | Bam__ | Karrion: that's true... it's just that there are all these other nice-looking attribute types too... they sort of seem less useful when the type 'macro' can actually do the same.. and more |
| 01:27.12 | zenzelezz | by and large macros are useless without buttons |
| 01:27.20 | zenzelezz | they're just easier to edit in some ways |
| 01:27.26 | Karrion | true, but there is probably an efficiency benefit to only using what you need |
| 01:27.33 | Bam__ | yea |
| 01:27.59 | Karrion | an action button of type "spell" (or whatever the keyword is) doesn't have to parse the text like a macro does |
| 01:28.01 | Bam__ | but it was really this one "/startattack;" that I found out I needed for basically all my buttons |
| 01:28.11 | zenzelezz | don't get me wrong, I'm all for macros; I just believe buttons and macros are fairly tied together anyhow |
| 01:28.16 | Nom- | http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z120/Thermoposter/WoWScrnShot_060407_220128.jpg |
| 01:28.19 | Bam__ | that's the reason I started wondering |
| 01:28.21 | Nom- | Nice damanage lol |
| 01:28.29 | Nom- | Anyone done sepentshrine yet? |
| 01:28.31 | Kaso | The big killer was the tonnes of tables i was creating whilst enumerating the WorldFrame children regions, but now i've sat and learn how iterators work, which has allowed me to do it alot more efficiently |
| 01:29.10 | Karrion | yeah the game's a little inconsistent on what turns autoattack on and what doesn't |
| 01:29.25 | Bam__ | yea never could figure out what does and what does not |
| 01:30.07 | Karrion | you could try petitioning slouken for a "andstartattack" attribute >.> |
| 01:30.20 | Bam__ | would be nice |
| 01:30.31 | Bam__ | I dont have access to the US forums though :( |
| 01:30.53 | zenzelezz | prepare your post and get someone here to post it for you |
| 01:30.58 | Bam__ | yea |
| 01:31.30 | Bam__ | not sure it's the only thing... but it would eliminate the need for many of my macros I think |
| 01:31.49 | zenzelezz | I finally unbound my U key today |
| 01:32.04 | zenzelezz | was getting very annoying to have the reputation window pop up when I tried to Intervene anyone |
| 01:32.15 | zenzelezz | (Intervene being bound to I) |
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| 01:35.56 | cladhaire | anyone know the soundfile for the kharazan door? |
| 01:35.57 | Bam__ | just thinking... would it make sense to ask for a more general "Game option" to always start auto-attack when entering combat? |
| 01:37.52 | Fin | they wouldn't do it cos of bots |
| 01:38.15 | zenzelezz | also would be hard to pick a default... melee might like it, but casters might not |
| 01:38.19 | Bam__ | hmm... doubt it would make a differense for bots |
| 01:38.40 | Fin | you could just leave a character somewhere near a frequent spawn point, the only difficult bit would be avoiding the autologout |
| 01:38.45 | Lunessa | Yeah, park yourself on a path, let something attack you, enter combat - start attacking - Profit! |
| 01:39.08 | Bam__ | well that only allow auto-attacks... not much of a bot :P |
| 01:39.20 | Fin | doesn't matter |
| 01:39.29 | Lunessa | *shrug* Even so. |
| 01:39.45 | Nerinia | cladhaire: Doodad\Karazahn_WoodenDoors_Close_A.wav? |
| 01:39.46 | Fin | it would mean you could get infinite amounts of money just by leaving a character logged on somewhere |
| 01:40.09 | Bam__ | you are probably right they might use that reason... I just dont think it makes sense.... nothing Blizzard has done so far has limited what 3rd party programs can do any way |
| 01:40.17 | cladhaire | Nerinia: thanks, i'll try that |
| 01:40.50 | Fin | you're a glass half full kind of guy, huh? |
| 01:41.05 | Bam__ | eh? |
| 01:41.24 | Pac2722 | lol |
| 01:41.30 | Bam__ | no I get your meaning... it's not worth asking for since they will turn it down :P |
| 01:42.08 | Fin | it was sarcasm, sorry - I meant, Blizzard have definitely made some effort towards limiting what third party programs can do; it might not be effective, but if you don't acknowledge even them trying... :) no offence though mate! |
| 01:42.23 | Fin | or, what you said |
| 01:42.24 | cladhaire | Nerinia: How would I play that? |
| 01:42.28 | Fin | more succinctly :) |
| 01:42.32 | Bam__ | I dont acknowledge them trying :) |
| 01:42.38 | Nerinia | A wav file? |
| 01:42.41 | Fin | I have to go to bed! |
| 01:42.51 | Nerinia | A you mean ingame :D |
| 01:42.51 | cladhaire | Nerinia: I want to play it from within the game |
| 01:42.53 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 01:42.58 | Bam__ | I dont think they should spend time on it either.. it's a losing battle for them :P |
| 01:43.11 | Fin | I've got my leaving do tomorrow, have to be fresh for that so I can last the distance |
| 01:43.26 | Fin | night! |
| 01:43.30 | Bam__ | night! |
| 01:43.38 | Pac2722 | IT'S DAY HERE |
| 01:43.44 | Bam__ | day! |
| 01:43.48 | Pac2722 | soz on the caps |
| 01:43.57 | Bam__ | ~ugt |
| 01:44.01 | purl | hmm... ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 01:44.01 | Nerinia | mh, try PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Doodad\\Karazahn_WoodenDoors_Close_A.wav") |
| 01:44.29 | Bam__ | saying "night" basically means "goodbye" :D |
| 01:44.32 | Pac2722 | im in australia |
| 01:44.50 | cladhaire | Nerinia: thanks, i'll try |
| 01:44.58 | cladhaire | Nerinia: HAWT thank you |
| 01:44.59 | zenzelezz | is there any even that happens when the loading screen vanishes and you can see the actual game? Not during the loading screen |
| 01:45.05 | zenzelezz | *event |
| 01:45.45 | Bam__ | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD.. or is that fired too early? |
| 01:46.10 | zenzelezz | I'm not actually sure, I always imagined that was during the loading |
| 01:46.20 | Bam__ | might be |
| 01:46.20 | Nom- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Aegis_of_the_Vindicator |
| 01:46.22 | Nom- | got armor ? |
| 01:46.30 | zenzelezz | definitely needs moar |
| 01:46.38 | Bam__ | wonder if you could hook OnShow on WorlfFrame for something |
| 01:46.54 | zenzelezz | the Illidan shield was closer to how it should be |
| 01:47.00 | Nom- | heh |
| 01:47.34 | Nom- | yeah, but that's a tank shield |
| 01:47.39 | Nom- | I'm talking healer shields :) |
| 01:48.10 | zenzelezz | it is nice to have healers with armor |
| 01:48.25 | Nom- | <-- Paladin |
| 01:49.09 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 01:49.26 | Nom- | Just wondering when my guild is going to give Mag's lair a go |
| 01:49.28 | |Jelly| | <-- holy priest *sigh* |
| 01:49.42 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:49.49 | Nom- | We have a name for those, |Jelly| |
| 01:49.52 | Nom- | Bug swat :P |
| 01:50.02 | Kaso | Divine spirit whores? |
| 01:50.02 | Nom- | Coz that's what bosses look like when a priest pulls aggro |
| 01:50.08 | |Jelly| | better than mana battery |
| 01:50.15 | Nom- | BLASPHEMER! |
| 01:50.21 | Nom- | <3 Shadow Priest |
| 01:50.34 | Nom- | Holy Paladin + Shadow Priest = Uber Heals that never quit |
| 01:50.37 | |Jelly| | Figure that...yet another paladin loves shadow priests |
| 01:50.54 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:50.57 | Nom- | we have one for Kara now |
| 01:51.15 | Nom- | We have a Shaman and a Priest healer too |
| 01:51.17 | Nom- | They love it too |
| 01:51.33 | Nom- | Bosses like Maiden, we're on 90% mana at the end of the fight |
| 01:51.53 | KarlThePagan | and because of facts like that it makes better sense to put mostly dpsers in the shadow priest group |
| 01:51.56 | Nom- | I don't need to even use a pot until like Shade of Aran |
| 01:51.56 | Kaso | Curator + sp ^^ |
| 01:51.58 | KarlThePagan | for gruul etc |
| 01:52.10 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know how, via macro, to summon a non-combat pet via macro, and do nothing if it is already summoned? |
| 01:52.35 | zenzelezz | humanoid instances like Shadow Labs are fun with two shadow priests |
| 01:52.43 | Kaso | im not sure that is possible Mike-N-Go... |
| 01:52.44 | Nom- | Get to find out tomorrow if we've got High King on farm in Gruul's lair |
| 01:52.45 | Bam__ | do non-combat pets count as pets at all? |
| 01:52.59 | zenzelezz | Nom-: meaning you took him first time last week? |
| 01:53.08 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Yeah lol |
| 01:53.13 | Kaso | zenzelezz, i've done 3 sp 1 warlock 1 warrior CoT:BM before, which was awesome. |
| 01:53.24 | Nom- | zenzelezz: But that seems to be how we go... Week 1 = 10 tries, Week 2 = one-shot |
| 01:53.36 | zenzelezz | Nom-: :) |
| 01:53.39 | Kaso | The warrior went afk for like 2 of the portals and the amount of VE healing kept up whichever priest became the "tank" |
| 01:53.45 | Nom- | It's been like that for Karazhan... we've got the entire dungeon on farm now |
| 01:53.58 | Mike-N-Go | Because, on my shaman, I want to add that to a macro before I would cast ghost woof. |
| 01:54.02 | Nom- | Our first takedown of Nightbane was only 2-3 weeks ago, now we one-shot him |
| 01:54.06 | zenzelezz | I notice a guild on my server has Kael'Thas on farm now; third week in a row we had the Kael'Thas slayer buff |
| 01:54.30 | Nom- | heh |
| 01:54.42 | Nom- | We do Karazhan in one day now |
| 01:54.45 | Nom- | It's quiet nits |
| 01:54.47 | Nom- | *nuts |
| 01:54.53 | Nom- | Takes 6 hours, but one day :P |
| 01:55.03 | zenzelezz | your nuts are usually not quiet? |
| 01:55.04 | Bam__ | Mike-N-Go: I doubt you can make any conditions for them.... basically non-combat pets are just an item you can use, I think |
| 01:55.50 | Lunessa | There's no way to check the presence of a vanity/non-combat pet in a macro. Sorry. |
| 01:55.55 | zenzelezz | Kaso: sounds fun; but I was thinking more for the pure pwnage DPS and MCing everything in sight |
| 01:56.55 | Kaso | I must admit, the Cabal Cultist in SL do stupid amounts of dps when youve mced them |
| 01:57.13 | Shirik | 3862 aimed shot crit in viper o.o |
| 01:57.16 | Shirik | if only I was in hawk.. |
| 01:57.33 | Nerinia | zenzelezz: UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fires with arg1="player" and arg2="LOGINEFFECT" i guess ("LOGINEFFEKT" with my german client) |
| 01:57.56 | zenzelezz | Nerinia: hm, didn't think of that - cheers :) |
| 01:57.57 | |Jelly| | critting on critters doesn't count! |
| 01:58.09 | Bam__ | Nerinia: login is a spell? :D |
| 01:58.26 | Nerinia | Huh, yeah, try /cast LOGOUTEFFECT :P |
| 01:58.27 | zenzelezz | it's true what he says, I noticed it once when testing that thing |
| 01:58.33 | Bam__ | lol |
| 01:58.38 | zenzelezz | *that event |
| 01:58.38 | Shirik | nnono |
| 01:58.41 | Shirik | that waws in durnholde |
| 01:58.41 | Nerinia | SWOOOSH *logout* |
| 01:58.45 | Shirik | oneo f the veterans |
| 01:59.11 | |Jelly| | liez! |
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| 02:03.40 | Lunessa | lol - something NOT to try later. :) |
| 02:06.21 | Lunessa | Tootise Rolls are not nutritious. |
| 02:06.47 | |Jelly| | random much? |
| 02:07.04 | Lunessa | Only when my bloodsugar is low. |
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| 02:09.14 | Nom- | That's a little harsh... T6 token has Paladin, Priest, Warlock on same item |
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| 02:11.49 | cladhaire | so.. WHAT do people think of me when i'm modding |
| 02:12.02 | cladhaire | I sit on a naked female paladin, in front of the IF auction house/bank |
| 02:12.04 | cladhaire | on Draka. |
| 02:12.13 | cladhaire | and peopel alwas dance, flirt, and send me tells telling me to turn on clothes. |
| 02:12.17 | cladhaire | s/turn on/put on/ |
| 02:13.10 | Lunessa | vamping for gold! |
| 02:13.26 | Nerinia | cladhaire: more Karazhan sounds in the Doodad folder: http://wowi.pastey.net/52238 |
| 02:13.55 | cladhaire | Nerinia: thanks, but that one worked out PERFECTLyu |
| 02:14.02 | cladhaire | it fit with the animation i'musing for this frame |
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| 02:14.06 | cladhaire | so it clanks at the right time =) |
| 02:17.37 | Nom- | oh nice |
| 02:17.46 | Nom- | Armory shows the bosses that stuff drops from now |
| 02:18.01 | Aella | That's cool. |
| 02:18.10 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata |
| 02:18.16 | Nom- | You can see where my lewt is from now :D |
| 02:18.34 | Aella | All kinda new stuff just added, it seems... |
| 02:21.06 | Aella | Prediction: the next database site (Thottbot/WoWHead/Allakhazam) to take prominence will be the one with the best Armory integration. |
| 02:22.11 | Nom- | wow |
| 02:22.17 | Nom- | it has a 'find an upgrade' function too |
| 02:22.27 | cladhaire | kergoth: You'll like the changes I'm working on right now |
| 02:22.30 | cladhaire | whcih aren't related to that at all |
| 02:22.30 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:22.38 | Aella | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/updates.xml |
| 02:22.39 | kergoth | heh :) whatcha workin on? |
| 02:23.46 | cladhaire | ui |
| 02:23.46 | cladhaire | functionality |
| 02:23.46 | cladhaire | displa |
| 02:23.47 | cladhaire | display |
| 02:25.11 | cladhaire | who has experience with SimpleHTML? |
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| 02:25.50 | Aella | Ask your question and I'll say either "Me" or "Haven't a clue." |
| 02:26.01 | cladhaire | uhh.. how do i make the text wrap |
| 02:27.47 | Aella | If it isn't :SetMultiLine(true)... |
| 02:28.04 | Aella | ...then I don't know. |
| 02:28.13 | cladhaire | hehe it snot. |
| 02:28.54 | Aella | Wish it was simple to look at GlueXML (well, simple w/o an MPQ viewer). |
| 02:30.06 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:30.19 | cladhaire | ah |
| 02:30.21 | Nom- | if armory was faster than a snail, it'd replace places like wowhead |
| 02:30.22 | cladhaire | it just needs an explicit size |
| 02:30.26 | cladhaire | anchoring it isn't enough |
| 02:30.28 | Nom- | Oh, doesn't have quests yet I guess |
| 02:30.39 | Aella | Or comments. |
| 02:30.46 | zenzelezz | why doesn't EU armory have drop location info yet :-( |
| 02:30.47 | Nom- | pfft |
| 02:30.50 | Nom- | Don't need comments |
| 02:30.58 | Aella | Comments are the second-best part of quest pages. |
| 02:31.04 | Nom- | They can just put a static list in there, and it'll be just like the real thing |
| 02:31.04 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:31.11 | Nom- | "OMG THIS ITEM IS TEH HAWT" |
| 02:31.12 | Nom- | etc etc |
| 02:31.20 | Aella | On a Twill Vest? |
| 02:31.42 | Aella | Don't get jealous yet, zenzelezz, the US one isn't working quite right yet. |
| 02:31.55 | zenzelezz | it hung my Firefox several times |
| 02:32.03 | zenzelezz | but I'm not sure that was its own faulr |
| 02:32.05 | zenzelezz | *fault |
| 02:32.07 | Aella | Not giving me any results for PvP rewards. |
| 02:32.30 | Lunessa | Armory + Firefox 2 + OSX = CRASH |
| 02:32.45 | Nom- | :/ |
| 02:32.55 | Nom- | It crashed on me actually, Firefox 2 + WinXP |
| 02:34.21 | Lunessa | Someone in the Web group at Blizzard isn't as good as they think they are at this... |
| 02:34.23 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32854 |
| 02:34.33 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 02:34.47 | Nom- | I can't see a reason you'd want a 2-hander with bugger all healing |
| 02:34.49 | Nom- | Arena i guess |
| 02:34.51 | Aella | That's why I say the next best database site will be the one with the best Armory integration. |
| 02:35.05 | Nom- | dps is crap too though |
| 02:35.10 | Nom- | So that's like pointless++_ |
| 02:35.39 | Lunessa | *nod* Maybe it is pretty? |
| 02:36.18 | Nom- | Pretty stuff doesn't concern me any more |
| 02:36.43 | Nom- | I'd rather take a hideous sword with 200 spell damage, than a pretty one with 100 |
| 02:36.47 | KarlThePagan | sad to say I miss Postal |
| 02:37.14 | Nom- | Which is effectively what that item is... it's got less than half the stats of the kara lewt |
| 02:37.44 | Lunessa | *shrug* maybe it exists to become void crystals? |
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| 02:38.06 | Nom- | I think so |
| 02:38.07 | Nom- | :) |
| 02:38.29 | Nom- | It's a mace, so you're talking druids, paladins and shamans |
| 02:38.45 | Nom- | Druid maybe? but they can equip a one-hander too? |
| 02:42.33 | Nom- | hmm ... i need to get my epic mount :( |
| 02:42.55 | Nom- | I think the only way i'll ever farm the money for it is to level a dps class tho lol |
| 02:43.05 | Nom- | (Holy Paladin DPS)-- |
| 02:46.35 | zenzelezz | I wasn't previously very interested in crafted weapons; but 2.1 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32756 changed my mind |
| 02:47.06 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:47.36 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28773 |
| 02:47.45 | Nom- | That's dropped ever week for us... everyone who can use a 2-hander now has one |
| 02:47.49 | Nom- | We DE the last one |
| 02:48.40 | zenzelezz | I'm 11/0/50 tank spec warrior, but I was the only non-caster in my Arcatraz team yesterday, so I went away with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29360 |
| 02:49.23 | Nom- | nice :) |
| 02:49.31 | Nom- | grr |
| 02:49.36 | zenzelezz | had some rogue friends drool all over it |
| 02:49.50 | Nom- | I don't think there's any class better for solo farming than a hunter, is there? |
| 02:50.03 | Nom- | Rogue tempts me...i've got a level 30-something |
| 02:50.16 | Nom- | But I think survivability will be low compared with a hunter, dps too |
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| 03:21.22 | Tain | Rogues have insanely high suvivability and DPS. |
| 03:21.36 | Lunessa | This is not news. |
| 03:21.40 | Lunessa | :p |
| 03:22.06 | Tain | I was referring to Nom's last comment, thanks. |
| 03:28.14 | Nom- | right but |
| 03:28.21 | Nom- | hunters can heal their pets without chanelling now |
| 03:28.33 | Nom- | Can do more DPS than a rogue in many cases |
| 03:28.37 | Nom- | can kite and dps without getting hit |
| 03:28.53 | Nom- | Have FD on a 30 second cooldown |
| 03:29.44 | Nom- | I'm not so sure that rogues can compete with that :/ |
| 03:30.37 | Nom- | and damn |
| 03:30.43 | Nom- | aspect of the viper must be nice for grinding |
| 03:31.51 | Nom- | you get 400 int, and that's as good as a pally blessing - 50mp5 |
| 03:35.28 | Nom- | The only downside is needing to buy arrows |
| 03:35.33 | Nom- | But that seems a small price to pay |
| 03:37.12 | Shirik | Nom- |
| 03:37.20 | Shirik | aspect of the viper is for a lot more than grinding |
| 03:37.34 | Shirik | and my aotv is far better than a pally blessing :P |
| 03:37.46 | Shirik | and 400 int is 100 mp/5 |
| 03:38.23 | Nom- | oh ryt |
| 03:38.25 | Nom- | 25% |
| 03:38.28 | Nom- | noiiiiiiiiiiice |
| 03:38.41 | Shirik | considering intellect converts into RAP for me |
| 03:38.42 | Shirik | I stack it |
| 03:38.46 | Shirik | and it does me very well |
| 03:40.38 | Nom- | :) |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 03:40.48 | Nom- | Yah, i'm definately rolling a hunter :) |
| 03:40.55 | Nom- | Well, grinding the hunter i have |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik | with aotv, kings, wisdom, might, |
| 03:41.06 | Shirik | I have zero problem being near if not at the top of damage meters |
| 03:41.30 | Nom- | hah |
| 03:41.51 | Nom- | Just a slight difference between my gear and the other raiding pally in my guild |
| 03:41.54 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Nali |
| 03:41.56 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata |
| 03:43.09 | Nom- | He's got more mana, but i've got more +healing and plate |
| 03:43.28 | Nom- | I do have cow shoulders tho |
| 03:43.31 | Nom- | That kinda sucks :( |
| 03:43.48 | Shirik | damn it |
| 03:43.58 | Shirik | spent the last ten minutes trying to figure out what the problem was here |
| 03:44.04 | Shirik | "I know I saved the file, why is it not working?!?!" |
| 03:44.08 | Shirik | forgot to save the toc -_- |
| 03:44.24 | Nom- | heh |
| 03:51.44 | Shirik | does loadstring() return the error when it fails? |
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| 03:57.38 | Shirik | I take that as a no :( |
| 03:57.41 | Shirik | welcome back purl! |
| 04:00.59 | |Jelly| | I would Shirik but I bougt you want that |
| 04:01.21 | Shirik | here have fun if you so desire: http://wowi.pastey.net/52320 |
| 04:02.19 | Nerinia | Uuuh, live patching module? :) |
| 04:02.27 | Shirik | :) |
| 04:03.29 | Shirik | my intention down the road is to transmit patches through guild chat |
| 04:03.43 | Shirik | if they are validated against a digital signature, then they are added to a patches table |
| 04:03.46 | Shirik | which is run on every UI load |
| 04:06.13 | Karrion | Shirik: I don't think v ends up being a valid chunk of lua |
| 04:07.51 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain string.dump() should return a loadstring()'able string |
| 04:09.54 | Shirik | string.dump (function) |
| 04:09.55 | Shirik | Returns a string containing a binary representation of the given function, so that a later loadstring on this string returns a copy of the function. function must be a Lua function without upvalues. |
| 04:10.13 | Karrion | hm you're right, forgot loadstring would do bytecode |
| 04:13.30 | Shirik | I wonder if WoW doesn't allow that |
| 04:13.33 | Shirik | it's possible |
| 04:13.37 | Shirik | this doesn't work either :/dump loadstring(string.dump(function() VFL.print("Hello world!"); end)) |
| 04:13.39 | Shirik | same error |
| 04:15.34 | Shirik | I think |
| 04:15.41 | Shirik | there's a bug/intentionally different behavior in string.dump |
| 04:15.46 | Shirik | the lua interpreter likes it ok |
| 04:15.50 | Karrion | hmm I just ran your code in standalone lua and it's fine |
| 04:16.29 | Karrion | so yeah, something weird in wither string.dump or loadstring in wow's lua I guess |
| 04:17.49 | zenzelezz | does "char(27)" refer to the character value 27 or character number 27 in the string? |
| 04:17.59 | Shirik | good question |
| 04:18.12 | Shirik | or do you mean |
| 04:18.19 | Shirik | it should mean ASCII 27 |
| 04:19.20 | Nom- | Most likely it'll return a single character |
| 04:19.30 | Nom- | as in the chr() function in C |
| 04:19.31 | Shirik | right |
| 04:19.41 | Shirik | or CHR$ in basic ^^ |
| 04:19.41 | Karrion | ascii 27 happens to be escape |
| 04:20.02 | Karrion | which happens to be the header intro char for a binary string.dump... |
| 04:20.02 | Nom- | yupyup |
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| 04:21.50 | Karrion | so I'm betting wow's lua has some kind of 'enable loadstring to load binary chunks' switch turned off |
| 04:22.43 | |Jelly| | there needs to be a way to turn certain people's volume down in vent |
| 04:23.02 | zenzelezz | only certain people? |
| 04:23.05 | Kaydeethree | there is. right click on their name and screw around with settings |
| 04:23.20 | zenzelezz | really? I didn't know there was per-user settings :-o |
| 04:23.56 | zenzelezz | nothing worse than hardly being able to hear someone while your eardrums nearly burst from someone else talking |
| 04:24.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:24.03 | Shirik | right click them |
| 04:24.05 | Shirik | go to special effects |
| 04:24.08 | Shirik | under misc |
| 04:24.12 | Shirik | add a volume filter |
| 04:24.26 | zenzelezz | woot, cheers for the tip |
| 04:24.35 | Shirik | you will see a "S" appear next to them for special effects |
| 04:24.43 | Shirik | and it will persist until you remove it (or until they change their name) |
| 04:25.23 | Shirik | well hopefully we'll know the answer soon enough: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108325523&postId=1081764519&sid=1#0 |
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| 04:29.40 | cogwheel | finally... |
| 04:29.45 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 04:30.02 | cogwheel | keyed for kara |
| 04:30.43 | |Jelly| | grats |
| 04:30.51 | Shirik | grats :D |
| 04:30.53 | Shirik | Iriel! |
| 04:30.55 | Shirik | got a sec? |
| 04:30.58 | |Jelly| | now that i'm done with it, i refuse to run BM anymore. lol |
| 04:31.03 | Iriel | sure |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | would you mind taking a look at http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108325523&sid=1 and giving me your thoughts on the matter? |
| 04:31.19 | Shirik | (bug or intentional?) |
| 04:31.59 | Iriel | Intentional. |
| 04:32.05 | Iriel | I asked about it in the past. |
| 04:32.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:32.23 | Iriel | They dont want folks distributing binary AddOns |
| 04:32.25 | Shirik | do you know any reasoning behind it? |
| 04:32.26 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:32.53 | Shirik | ok thanks |
| 04:33.09 | Shirik | guess that means I have to transmit plaintext code then... |
| 04:33.34 | Iriel | That's for the best anyway, do of course make sure you validate the transmitted code to be guaranteed safe |
| 04:33.40 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 04:33.49 | Iriel | I had a long exchange with the ephemeral (I think that was the AddOn) folks when they did something like that |
| 04:33.52 | Shirik | received code is tested against a known public key :) |
| 04:33.57 | Shirik | RSA digital signature |
| 04:34.16 | Shirik | 2048 bit |
| 04:34.19 | Shirik | I think it's good enough |
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| 04:35.44 | Shirik | Iriel: You can see some good reasons for it though |
| 04:35.55 | Shirik | especially if they themselves want to see the code of an addon |
| 04:36.00 | Shirik | if they need to figure something out |
| 04:36.34 | Iriel | It helps keep the community open and honest, thott has been the only person I know of paranoid enough to try obfuscation |
| 04:36.42 | Shirik | veni did too :P |
| 04:36.44 | Shirik | but it was cracked |
| 04:36.46 | Shirik | veni was EVIL |
| 04:36.56 | Shirik | if it was detected that you tried to de-obfuscate it |
| 04:37.00 | Iriel | Obfuscation is inherently crackable. |
| 04:37.02 | Shirik | it would scramble your saved variables |
| 04:40.32 | Karrion | bah, scrambling saved variables is weak, it should start sharding gear |
| 04:40.49 | Shirik | well.... |
| 04:40.54 | cogwheel | I don't think the GM department would be too happy with that :P |
| 04:40.54 | Shirik | that also existed -_- |
| 04:41.16 | Shirik | the raid leader had the ability to shard anyone's gear (if possible), or forcibly log off any user he so desired |
| 04:41.28 | Shirik | needless to say, this has been removed in RDX.Cid |
| 04:42.39 | Karrion | heh, now _that_'s evil |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | I told you |
| 04:42.54 | Shirik | the man was crazy |
| 04:42.58 | Shirik | he still is :P |
| 04:43.05 | Shirik | but I gotta give him props he knows his stuff |
| 04:43.12 | Nerinia | So string.dump'ed functions can't be loadstring'ed in WoW? |
| 04:43.23 | Shirik | it would appear this way |
| 04:43.29 | Shirik | I /know/ I've loadstring'ed plaintext |
| 04:43.33 | Shirik | so that's definitely possible |
| 04:43.52 | Iriel | Correct, we have no access to the binary loader, not via a file, not via loadstring |
| 04:43.56 | Iriel | lua source only. period. |
| 04:44.09 | Nerinia | Ah, thanks. |
| 04:44.23 | Shirik | it doesn't really put a kink in my project, so I can respect it :) |
| 04:44.28 | Shirik | in fact it makes my job easier |
| 04:44.32 | Shirik | though it does mean more to transmit |
| 04:44.46 | Iriel | Someone suggested writing a lua bytecode to lua source decompiler as a workaround |
| 04:44.57 | Iriel | Shirik: I bet it compresses well (lua source) |
| 04:45.14 | Iriel | string.dump is inherently limiting all by itself anyway |
| 04:45.25 | Shirik | yeah but is there an easy way to compress? |
| 04:45.26 | Karrion | Shirik: wouldn't doing it in binary risk sending, eg, newline chars that disconnect you anyway? |
| 04:45.37 | Shirik | Karrion: Actually newlines in SendAddonMessage() do not disconnect you |
| 04:45.44 | Shirik | in fact the only thing I have found that you can't do is a tab in the prefix |
| 04:45.52 | Iriel | Shirik: I believe clad's been working on huffman encoding |
| 04:45.58 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, honk honk |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik | I know clad|sleep's been doing some kind of compression |
| 04:46.04 | cogwheel | bing bong |
| 04:46.09 | Shirik | and used it on LightHeaded |
| 04:46.12 | Shirik | I might have to take a look at it |
| 04:46.14 | Karrion | hey if you've written a public key check surely gzip can't be that hard, right? |
| 04:46.24 | Shirik | I didn't write it, foxlit did :P |
| 04:46.29 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, I saw your guide earlier - looked pretty damn impressive |
| 04:46.33 | Shirik | I tried to give him math pointers every so often but yeah |
| 04:46.34 | Iriel | Shirik: I believe that's because tab is the prefix-message delimiter |
| 04:46.39 | Shirik | I definitely don't understand enough about RSA |
| 04:46.46 | Shirik | Iriel: that's what I understand :) |
| 04:46.58 | Iriel | You'd be crazy to do anything beyond finding someone else's reference implementation and porting it 8-) |
| 04:47.07 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:47.18 | Iriel | Though grabbing a copy of "Applied Cryptography" is worthwhile if you DO care, it's a bit old but it's still the bible |
| 04:47.35 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, dunno if you acted on your suggestion, but I think it'd be a great idea |
| 04:47.53 | cogwheel | I haven't quite finished yet... |
| 04:48.44 | Kirkburn | kk |
| 04:48.59 | Shirik | Iriel: I do intend to get into that kind of stuff |
| 04:49.06 | Shirik | and thanks for the recommendation |
| 04:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to tell if an item is conjured without walking the tooltip text? |
| 04:53.21 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | GetContainerItemInfo returns quality, but it's the same for both conjured items and pots |
| 04:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I want specifically conjured items |
| 04:53.48 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of :/ |
| 04:53.51 | Shirik | what about type? |
| 04:53.58 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Hm, do conjured items have the maker in their name? |
| 04:54.40 | Kaydeethree | conjured mana gems, yes. conjured food/water, no |
| 04:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, not all of them |
| 04:54.46 | Shirik | no it comes up as consumable :( |
| 04:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | What he said |
| 04:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | They all have a line of text in the tooltip - "Conjured" |
| 04:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the only dependable way of telling (that I know of) |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | don't they all have "conjured" in their name? |
| 04:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mana Jade" |
| 04:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 04:55.40 | MentalPower|ZzZz | ScytheBlade1: list of ItemIDs is your other option |
| 04:55.41 | Shirik | well Kaydeethree has already proposed an alternative for that |
| 04:55.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: what I would probably do |
| 04:55.53 | Shirik | scan the tooltip |
| 04:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower|ZzZz, that's a lot of itemIds |
| 04:55.58 | Shirik | cache what item IDs you have found |
| 04:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I really only want one thing |
| 04:56.11 | Shirik | in fact |
| 04:56.14 | Shirik | you can even use a metatable |
| 04:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Push a button, destroy my conjured items |
| 04:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a mage, and I carry all sorts of crap after a raid :P |
| 04:56.33 | Shirik | have a table that stores what item ids are conjured items |
| 04:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I may have to do that, yeah |
| 04:57.05 | Shirik | __index = function(t,i) --[[scan the tooltip]] rawset(t,i,--[[true or false depending on findings]]) return --[[whatever]] end |
| 04:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 04:58.08 | Shirik | man that's probably the coolest use of a metatable I've come up with so far ^^ |
| 04:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | /dump GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText(); |
| 04:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "Conjured Item" |
| 04:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I want all right |
| 04:58.38 | Iriel | The only problem is that the tooltip is asynchronous |
| 04:58.51 | Iriel | potentially |
| 04:58.56 | Iriel | (if the item isn't in your cache) |
| 04:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And it requires previous |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik | well he has the item |
| 04:59.06 | MentalPower|ZzZz | it will be, its in his bags |
| 04:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | + knowledge/scanning of the items in question |
| 04:59.12 | Shirik | shouldn't that imply that it's cached? |
| 04:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, it's in my bags, always |
| 04:59.18 | Iriel | MentalPower|ZzZz: Depends when the code runs |
| 04:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to nuke conjured items out of my bags |
| 04:59.25 | MentalPower|ZzZz | is it always the second line? |
| 04:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:59.38 | Shirik | then that's the best way of going about it :P |
| 05:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I just wanted a quality parameter to the existing API that gave me a "conjured" quality :) |
| 05:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm - is there an event that fires when the tooltip is updated? |
| 05:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (Read as: how can I tell when the tooltip is displayed/changed?) |
| 05:09.05 | Iriel | It's got a handler for that |
| 05:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Handler? |
| 05:09.37 | Nerinia | this one: tooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetItem",function(self) local name,link = self:GetItem() end) |
| 05:09.38 | Iriel | An On<something> one |
| 05:09.41 | Iriel | That's the one |
| 05:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, okay |
| 05:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha |
| 05:10.23 | Shirik | hehe |
| 05:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | This may wind up as another micro addon of mine |
| 05:10.29 | Shirik | an On<something> one ^^ |
| 05:11.28 | Nerinia | The handler still triggers twice when requesting recipes right? |
| 05:11.47 | Iriel | It triggers as many times as there are updates to the data |
| 05:15.47 | Shirik | hm, I'll have to poke foxlit later |
| 05:16.01 | Shirik | I think I'm signing this wrong, it says there are 2056 steps, when there should only be 2048 >.> |
| 05:16.36 | Nom- | lern2zeroindex ? |
| 05:17.54 | Kirkburn | Did 2.1.1 do anything to UI mods? |
| 05:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Seems that this will be an experiment in handlers for me |
| 05:18.04 | Kirkburn | Someone added "* Some UI mods are acting funny." to a page about 2.1.1 |
| 05:18.20 | Kaydeethree | kirk; nah. just a change to some global strings |
| 05:18.33 | Nom- | 2.1.1 was just bug fixes |
| 05:18.40 | Kirkburn | Bet the guy didn't tick load out of date addons |
| 05:18.41 | Kaydeethree | http://wowi.pastey.net/51907 |
| 05:18.55 | Kaydeethree | ^ a .diff of all of the changes |
| 05:19.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:19.18 | Shirik | they felt the need to adjust the order |
| 05:19.20 | Kirkburn | I wish they'd keep the list alphabetical for once :/ |
| 05:19.20 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 05:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 05:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember when they didn't take it down to the minute |
| 05:19.32 | Kirkburn | Every bloody time |
| 05:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I extended by 10 day trial by over ten hours ;) |
| 05:20.49 | Nom- | What's with all the random name spam lately? It's all blocked by SpamSentry, but I notice there's been a lot more in the last week |
| 05:20.56 | Nom- | Not peons4hire either, it's another mob |
| 05:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | rpgus or something? |
| 05:21.26 | Nom- | yeah i think so |
| 05:21.28 | Nom- | not sure now |
| 05:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I've recieved two from them |
| 05:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm up to... four since 2.1 hit |
| 05:21.45 | Kirkburn | I'm seeing rpg something something too |
| 05:21.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge nuoHep (n=nuoHep@outer.test.e-larek.ru) |
| 05:21.51 | Kaydeethree | heh, more than me. I've gotten a grand total of 2 |
| 05:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I play at "odd" hours. |
| 05:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, 10:00 AM. |
| 05:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 05:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | (When there are six people online) |
| 05:22.13 | Kirkburn | Also, do the links they type mess up, showing like "w[ww." ? |
| 05:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure that's intentional on their part |
| 05:22.31 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 05:22.40 | Kirkburn | Just wond'ring if it's the same macro :P |
| 05:22.41 | Kaydeethree | same way the peons had to change the url to their site a few times |
| 05:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | imo, and I don't know if they're already doing this |
| 05:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But the servers should collect the data of reported spam automatically, and once it reaches a quota |
| 05:23.12 | Kirkburn | Mebbe this is peons4hire, but trying to use a different name |
| 05:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Simply block that line from being sent period |
| 05:23.33 | Nom- | Nah, that'd screw up things like gem mods |
| 05:23.44 | Kaydeethree | I thought blizz brought an injunction against p4h as part of the lawsuit |
| 05:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Take into account the reported person's level and location too, I should add |
| 05:23.59 | Nom- | Kaydeethree: They probably did, but it's other places that are going nuts now |
| 05:24.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gorbulas (n=Gorbulas@2002:470a:fda2:1:0:0:0:1) |
| 05:24.25 | Shirik | 01:23:22 ‹ScytheBlade1› But the servers should collect the data of reported spam automatically, and once it reaches a quota |
| 05:24.26 | Kirkburn | If they don't use peons4hire in their macro, how could Blizz link it to them |
| 05:24.28 | Shirik | something like this is already done |
| 05:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure it is |
| 05:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I hope it is |
| 05:24.42 | Shirik | according to CMs, one of the capabilities is |
| 05:24.47 | Shirik | when enough people have clicked that report spam link |
| 05:24.50 | Kirkburn | Once someone is reported several times, they are prevented for messaging anyone |
| 05:24.54 | Kirkburn | *from |
| 05:24.54 | Shirik | that player becomes temporary invisible |
| 05:24.58 | Shirik | until they can be investigated |
| 05:24.59 | Kirkburn | Until a GM investigates |
| 05:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:25.03 | Kirkburn | :< |
| 05:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That must be an incredible number of people then |
| 05:25.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well over 100 I'd imagine |
| 05:25.18 | Shirik | probably |
| 05:25.24 | Shirik | and it's surely not the only capability |
| 05:25.27 | Shirik | but it's one they've mentioned |
| 05:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Had a spammer in front of the IF mailbox.. reported it on three characters, as did multiple other people |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | surely they don't want us to know everything |
| 05:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, nah, of course not |
| 05:26.10 | zenzelezz | is the "report user" function protected? |
| 05:26.16 | Shirik | good question |
| 05:26.23 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 05:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not |
| 05:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's been threatened that if abused, it will be protected |
| 05:26.53 | zenzelezz | I Just imagined sneaking a distributed reporting function into some popular addon |
| 05:27.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:27.04 | Shirik | just a few people you really hate |
| 05:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:27.13 | Shirik | have it all trigger at the same day, same time |
| 05:27.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge subbawt (n=subbawt@65.89.109.213) |
| 05:27.47 | Shirik | though |
| 05:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, my fear is that "the spammers" write addons that fill their spam queues full of "lol" and random gibberish |
| 05:27.53 | Shirik | there is a box that pops up when you try to report someone |
| 05:27.57 | Gorbulas | are there any mods that create a distributed file system that is accessible by other mods? |
| 05:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, the function doesn't pop up the box I don't think |
| 05:28.12 | zenzelezz | speaking of protected functions, I still find it annoying that I can type /target someone and get a warning about any random addon being blocked |
| 05:28.12 | Shirik | Gorbulas: Not sure what you mean |
| 05:28.21 | zenzelezz | atlas, enhtooltip, ctra |
| 05:28.23 | Kaydeethree | meh. that's part of the popup menu to report the person. the actual spam complaint can be done without player intervention |
| 05:28.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So SpamSentry can (and does?) report spam automatically |
| 05:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem is, it's locked to 5 per account per day |
| 05:29.13 | Shirik | ya |
| 05:29.15 | Gorbulas | I'd like to have a mod that creates a distributed guild file system for storing data. It could be used to make a groupcalendar that works even when the event creator is offline |
| 05:29.17 | Shirik | and 1 per minute |
| 05:29.23 | Kaydeethree | I dunno, I haven't looked through SS's code since 2.1 has come out |
| 05:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't used it since 2.1 came out |
| 05:29.37 | Kaydeethree | same |
| 05:29.38 | Shirik | Gorbulas: it's extremely difficult, but possible |
| 05:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | No need, quite frankly |
| 05:29.42 | Shirik | I would recommend you look at GEM |
| 05:29.45 | Shirik | and how they sync |
| 05:30.03 | Shirik | (which, btw, is almost exactly what you're talking about) |
| 05:32.37 | Shirik | bah |
| 05:32.43 | Kaydeethree | heh. the new "Find an Upgrade" feature on the armory is pretty neat |
| 05:32.45 | Shirik | I know why it did 2056 instead of 2048 |
| 05:33.00 | Shirik | for some god-unknown reason, openssl puts a 00: at the beginning of the modulus :( |
| 05:33.10 | Shirik | which is exactly 8 bits longer than 2048 |
| 05:34.51 | Shirik | actually |
| 05:35.03 | Shirik | on that note....it's because I used the public key instead of the private key to sign -_- |
| 05:35.22 | zenzelezz | /target Shirik |
| 05:35.24 | Kaydeethree | yah... that kinda defeats the purpose |
| 05:35.25 | zenzelezz | /golfclap |
| 05:35.37 | Shirik | actually, no now I'm just completely confused |
| 05:35.51 | Iriel | It doesn't really defeat the purpose |
| 05:36.03 | Iriel | You can encrypt with either key, and decrypt with the other, with RSA |
| 05:38.35 | Shirik | right, I understand it now |
| 05:38.42 | Shirik | but is one supposed to be longer than the other? |
| 05:39.15 | Shirik | because I'm looking at this right now, and my public key was given as a 2056 bit number which starts with 0x00 |
| 05:39.25 | Shirik | and my private key was given as a 2048 bit number |
| 05:39.34 | Shirik | which, yes, I realize both are 2048 bits, it's just confusing me as to why it would do that |
| 05:39.42 | Gorbulas | are you doing this stuff for a mod? |
| 05:39.47 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:39.52 | Gorbulas | oooo |
| 05:39.56 | Gorbulas | what mod |
| 05:40.16 | Shirik | an in-game patching capability for http://rdx.emoemu.com |
| 05:41.01 | Kirkburn|afk | hey, wow, the armory updates are ..... competing with wowhead, thott, alla, etc. |
| 05:41.03 | Gorbulas | ah |
| 05:41.15 | Kirkburn|afk | They've even added drop rates for items |
| 05:41.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 05:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | liiink |
| 05:41.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Albeit "low", etc |
| 05:41.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see nothing new |
| 05:41.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Armory front page |
| 05:41.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Click updates |
| 05:41.56 | Kirkburn|afk | (also note reference to Kralnor) |
| 05:42.24 | Iriel | Shirik: Is it possible the leading 00 is just to make sure the number remains positive? |
| 05:42.26 | Gorbulas | GEM looks too specific |
| 05:42.32 | Shirik | it's possible |
| 05:42.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | niiiice |
| 05:42.42 | Shirik | this is what I get: |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | C:\openssl-0.9.8e\bin>openssl rsa -text -in rsa.private |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | Private-Key: (2048 bit) |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | modulus: |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | 00:aa:f8:b6:5b:2d:12:5e:e0:b4:cf:b5:be:65:16: |
| 05:42.47 | Shirik | (and it continues) |
| 05:42.58 | Iriel | Shirik: when I dump my ssh RSA key all of the strings with high bits in the most significant position have a 00: prefix |
| 05:43.11 | Iriel | And those without have no prefix |
| 05:43.18 | Iriel | so 00:c2, but 4e:4f |
| 05:43.31 | Shirik | hm |
| 05:43.56 | Iriel | If you're sure your math library wont screw it up, you could just ignore the leading zeroes |
| 05:44.00 | Shirik | wouldn't the most significant position be 7_:__ ? |
| 05:44.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's awesome kirk |
| 05:44.04 | Shirik | (or higher) |
| 05:44.04 | Gorbulas | I'm hoping to have a distributed fs running over primarily the guild addon channel that facilitates a number of other services |
| 05:44.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies2, :D |
| 05:44.16 | Shirik | but yeah I'm seeing the same |
| 05:44.28 | Shirik | also I think that the math library should calculate it correctly, it's supposed to work for any size key |
| 05:44.37 | Iriel | it's the most significant bit, so 0x80 - 0xff would need a preceeding 0x00 to stop it being interpreted as a 2s complement negative number |
| 05:44.39 | Shirik | it was just a bit wierd when I first saw it |
| 05:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoever designed the new armory should get a congressional medal of honor |
| 05:44.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Cripes, check out the browse list. Totally stolen from Woehead |
| 05:44.49 | Kirkburn|afk | *wowhead |
| 05:44.59 | Shirik | yeah but you said 4e:4f ? which isn't inside 0x80 - 0xff? |
| 05:45.13 | Iriel | right, there's no 00: in front of 4e:4f |
| 05:45.17 | Shirik | ooh right |
| 05:45.21 | Shirik | (not thinking, it's late) |
| 05:45.29 | Shirik | ok that makes sense, thanks :) |
| 05:45.54 | Iriel | It's a bit of a guess still, I've not fiddled with how openssl et al display stuff much, but it's consistent with my observations. |
| 05:46.01 | Gorbulas | how can I test addons that require multiple players? |
| 05:46.10 | Shirik | no it makes perfect sense, and reading over my results it appears exactly the same |
| 05:46.17 | Shirik | in theory, a leading 00 shouldn't affect anything |
| 05:46.23 | Shirik | Gorbulas: The way I do it |
| 05:46.25 | Shirik | is to emulate a player |
| 05:46.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kazie (n=kk@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 05:46.31 | Shirik | for example, to test a boss mod |
| 05:46.55 | Shirik | I'll type in /script RDXM.Kara.Event("CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_EMOTE", "%s does some wierd event that triggers an alert") |
| 05:47.06 | Shirik | for more complex things, though, I poke random people in guild chat until they let me invite them to party :P |
| 05:47.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, also 2.2.0 will have VoiP |
| 05:47.18 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 05:47.24 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh my god this is epic |
| 05:47.41 | Shirik | not really |
| 05:47.44 | zenzelezz | no more Ventrilo/TeamSpeak? |
| 05:47.45 | Shirik | it was only written in blue |
| 05:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:[ |
| 05:47.52 | Shirik | so it can only be rare at best |
| 05:47.53 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/05/voice-chat-coming-in-2-2-0/ |
| 05:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean the armory update |
| 05:47.58 | Shirik | hehe |
| 05:48.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, 2.2.0 PTR inc |
| 05:48.11 | Shirik | ya I saw the blue post on it |
| 05:48.31 | Shirik | but it really depends on what the quality will be |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | if it's like CS |
| 05:48.38 | Shirik | no way in hell I'm using that over vent |
| 05:48.39 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, there will always be vent/TS |
| 05:48.57 | Thunder_Child | as of yet, there will be no 'guild' chatroom |
| 05:49.04 | Shirik | Iriel: as always, thank you for letting me probe your awesome mind :) |
| 05:49.07 | Thunder_Child | party/raid only i belive |
| 05:49.28 | Iriel | Shirik: You're welcome, glad it could be useful while I work on modifier code for secure templates 8-) |
| 05:49.35 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 05:49.44 | Shirik | that's something I like to hear |
| 05:50.06 | Gorbulas | what can I send over the guild addon channel? |
| 05:50.16 | Shirik | anything you want |
| 05:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully they use the speex codec |
| 05:50.25 | Shirik | well let me be a bit clearer |
| 05:50.29 | Shirik | any string you want |
| 05:50.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | because most of the other ones suck |
| 05:50.32 | Gorbulas | even non text data? |
| 05:50.37 | Thunder_Child | well they would have to use something thats compatable with macs |
| 05:50.39 | Shirik | but |
| 05:50.41 | Gorbulas | what is a string? |
| 05:50.43 | Shirik | there is a way to encode anything into a string |
| 05:50.47 | Shirik | "this is a string" |
| 05:51.12 | Shirik | [[this is also a string]] .. 'combined with another string' .. "and another string" |
| 05:51.18 | Gorbulas | I know that, but I don't want to base64 everything if I can just send binary |
| 05:51.41 | Gorbulas | what ranges of characters are allowed? |
| 05:51.44 | Shirik | you can only send strings, therefore you must find some way to encode it |
| 05:51.53 | Shirik | ASCII 0 through 256 |
| 05:51.55 | Shirik | and possibly higher |
| 05:51.57 | Shirik | 255* |
| 05:52.07 | Gorbulas | usually not 0 |
| 05:52.07 | Iriel | I was about to say |
| 05:52.12 | Iriel | Ascii 256 would be a feat |
| 05:52.14 | Gorbulas | and the other low ones |
| 05:52.17 | Iriel | I dont think you can send \0 can you? |
| 05:52.25 | Shirik | let's find out |
| 05:52.26 | Gorbulas | and I think WoW has over 256 |
| 05:52.27 | Corrodias | send \-1 |
| 05:52.36 | Shirik | dteventtrace to the rescue! |
| 05:53.01 | Iriel | WoW uses UTF-8 for wide characters |
| 05:53.13 | Iriel | You're still stuck in 0x01 - 0xff |
| 05:53.13 | Shirik | hm |
| 05:53.14 | Corrodias | like ogres and dwarf women? |
| 05:53.20 | Shirik | when I transmitted "\0" arg2 was nil :( |
| 05:53.23 | Gorbulas | in which case, do I need to send valid unicode? and what code pages are allowed? |
| 05:53.24 | Shirik | so I guess anything 1-255 |
| 05:53.36 | Iriel | It doesn't care |
| 05:53.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#item-info.xml?i=32257 |
| 05:53.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | unf |
| 05:53.41 | Iriel | At least, for transmission |
| 05:53.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love you new blizzard armory |
| 05:53.49 | Iriel | For display it depends on what the recipient has installed font-wise |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | right |
| 05:53.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you run like crap for now :O |
| 05:54.00 | Shirik | all that matters is you decode it in the same manner it was sent |
| 05:54.10 | Gorbulas | I'm thinking about sending hashes and such |
| 05:54.26 | Shirik | then why go any further than sending a string? |
| 05:54.38 | Iriel | Personally I'd stick to readable text purely for the debuggability |
| 05:54.53 | Shirik | "ffffffffffffffffffffffff" is no harder to transmit than "ÿÿ.." |
| 05:54.58 | Shirik | well, ok it is slightly b |
| 05:55.01 | Shirik | but no good reason to |
| 05:55.13 | Gorbulas | but I don't want to use up all that extra space |
| 05:55.23 | Corrodias | we one-shotted attumen, moroes, maiden, and big bad wolf today :o |
| 05:55.26 | Corrodias | i was like :O |
| 05:55.30 | Shirik | would you really notice? |
| 05:55.34 | Shirik | Corrodias: Grats |
| 05:55.40 | Gorbulas | the server will |
| 05:55.44 | Corrodias | as much as we were stuck on the damn maiden |
| 05:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | big bad wolf is fun |
| 05:56.32 | Shirik | Gorbulas: I think you're worrying far more than you should be |
| 05:56.32 | Corrodias | "holy crap" |
| 05:56.32 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies2: the page for armory is still "loading" |
| 05:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 05:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | refresh it |
| 05:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it runs like crap at the moment but the information is so awesome |
| 05:56.33 | Corrodias | i think it's stuck at "loading" |
| 05:56.40 | Shirik | like Iriel said, I would recommend using human readable strings |
| 05:56.52 | Shirik | which can then be tonumber'ed later |
| 05:56.55 | Shirik | if you really need to |
| 05:56.56 | Gorbulas | also, will I run into the profanity filter if a hash happens to contain any substrings? |
| 05:57.08 | Shirik | SendAddonMessage() is immune to such filters |
| 05:57.08 | Iriel | No, the addon channel isn't filtered |
| 05:57.15 | Gorbulas | ok good |
| 05:57.17 | Corrodias | i decided not to put 17 of my hunter's points into survival for =10% trap resist and instead take them to MM for Big Damage and Scattershot, then just learn how to deal with trap resists |
| 05:57.39 | Corrodias | Big Damage being the collection of various crit & focus talents. and aimed shot. |
| 06:03.53 | Gorbulas | ChatFrame1.AddMessage("test"); |
| 06:04.04 | Gorbulas | should add a message to my chatframe, correct? |
| 06:04.18 | Shirik | no |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | ChatFrame1:AddMessage() |
| 06:04.34 | Shirik | or ChatFrame1.AddMessage(ChatFrame1, "test") |
| 06:04.34 | Gorbulas | isn't that the same? |
| 06:04.36 | Shirik | no |
| 06:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You want the : |
| 06:04.54 | Shirik | table:function(...) is syntactic sugar for table.function(table, ...) |
| 06:05.04 | Gorbulas | oh |
| 06:05.22 | Shirik | without getting into the details for why this works, this is done to assist with OOP |
| 06:09.45 | |Jelly| | can you /petattack [target=focustarget] ? (You know i'd look it up but i really am healing. lol) |
| 06:10.10 | Corrodias | probably |
| 06:10.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost miss healing in 40 man raids |
| 06:10.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:10.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could eat dinner while healing |
| 06:10.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't really do that while tanking :[ |
| 06:10.33 | Guillotine | anybody know if there is a way to set the amount of timer required for a timeout with luasocket? |
| 06:10.44 | Shirik | a luasocket o.o |
| 06:10.55 | Shirik | this is definitely not wow-related >< |
| 06:11.00 | Guillotine | well, kind of |
| 06:11.04 | Shirik | I don't know though :( |
| 06:11.11 | Corrodias | kind of not |
| 06:11.23 | Guillotine | I have a script scanning the armory and importing all talent information from your battlegroup to an addon |
| 06:11.30 | Shirik | ah and wrote it in lua |
| 06:11.33 | Guillotine | correct |
| 06:11.38 | Shirik | interesting |
| 06:11.49 | Shirik | unfortuantely I don't have an answer for you |
| 06:11.54 | Shirik | if nobody here does, perhaps #lua ? |
| 06:11.59 | Shirik | though they're kinda dead at this hour :( |
| 06:12.10 | Shirik | I did get a response to my question over there though |
| 06:12.14 | Guillotine | it works, but when it gets a timeout, it waits about 10 seconds before continuing on. which adds up over time with all the profiles its scanning >< |
| 06:12.38 | Shirik | wait so |
| 06:12.40 | Guillotine | in general, most of the responses I've gotten there about luasocket are that they have no idea :( |
| 06:12.46 | Shirik | it times out and then goes another 10 seconds? |
| 06:12.50 | Shirik | or does it just take 10 seconds to time out? |
| 06:12.56 | Guillotine | takes 10 seconds to time out |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | imo you would do what I did with just about any socket and handle connections asynchronously |
| 06:13.30 | Shirik | if it times out, it times out, but don't keep waiting for it to come back |
| 06:13.36 | Shirik | keep moving on |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | coroutines can do this rather decently for you |
| 06:13.49 | Guillotine | ya, but I don't like coroutines in lua -_- |
| 06:14.03 | Guillotine | though its probably the best bet here |
| 06:14.10 | Guillotine | was just hoping for some way around it |
| 06:14.14 | Shirik | I have, quite literally, never used Microsoft's synchronous connection APIs |
| 06:14.30 | Shirik | and every comment on MSDN I've seen on them say "use asynchronous instead when you can" |
| 06:15.44 | Gorbulas | aparently, if WoW can't understand your script file, a reloadui will reload the old version |
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| 06:16.36 | Gorbulas | nm |
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| 06:16.44 | Corrodias | noob! |
| 06:16.45 | Gorbulas | I printed the wrong string :( |
| 06:17.00 | Corrodias | now i just wish i could get my hunter to level 70 in one day |
| 06:17.03 | Gorbulas | and then undid changes, closed file |
| 06:17.12 | Corrodias | this middling-level crap is getting boring |
| 06:17.17 | Gorbulas | can't get it back to how it was a second ago |
| 06:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, oops |
| 06:18.14 | ScytheBlade1 | /dump UIParent:GetChildren(); |
| 06:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That took a second or two to run. |
| 06:18.35 | subbawt | lol |
| 06:19.17 | Guillotine | I tried I recursive one of those a while ago. not a good idea |
| 06:19.25 | Guillotine | but I did get a list of every frame >.> |
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| 06:21.40 | Thunder_Child | how would i do a literal search in google with a nonstandard char, it keeps removing it |
| 06:22.11 | Thunder_Child | i am trying to do Camer@...does it w/o the @ every time |
| 06:22.23 | Guillotine | put it in quotes? |
| 06:22.33 | Thunder_Child | tried |
| 06:22.38 | Thunder_Child | still strips it out |
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| 06:24.11 | Corrodias | backslash? |
| 06:24.42 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 06:24.53 | Thunder_Child | well according to the page it uses it...but i am not geting a return |
| 06:25.01 | Thunder_Child | "Results 1 - 100 of about 680,000 English pages for Camer@. (0.17 seconds) " |
| 06:25.10 | Thunder_Child | and i know it's out there |
| 06:25.14 | Guillotine | the problem is, at least from what I understand, with coroutines in lua you can't really start multiple instances of them. and you can't restart one. you just have to resume it. |
| 06:25.39 | Shirik | when a coroutine dies, it cannot be resumed, correct |
| 06:25.44 | Shirik | but you could make a factory function for coroutines |
| 06:26.32 | Guillotine | as in make a new coroutine for every team and every person? |
| 06:27.32 | Shirik | it's possible |
| 06:27.39 | Corrodias | i don't really see how things could be done differently in, say, java. you can't just "reuse" a thread unless it sits there waiting for variables to change... |
| 06:27.47 | Shirik | yup |
| 06:27.50 | Shirik | the alternative is |
| 06:27.55 | Shirik | you have, say, five coroutines |
| 06:28.09 | Shirik | which go into an infinite loop of yielding until it is given something to do |
| 06:28.34 | Guillotine | hmm. wouldn't making a new coroutine for each one be horribly inefficient when scanning thousands of profiles? |
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| 06:28.44 | Shirik | probably |
| 06:29.00 | Corrodias | not when they disappear after they finish executing |
| 06:29.09 | Iriel | I'm not sure I understand what coroutines really buy you there, unless the lua library exposes poll/select and non-blocking IO? |
| 06:29.11 | Corrodias | also, less efficient than waiting for 10 seconds each time? |
| 06:29.31 | Guillotine | Corrodias: goot point |
| 06:29.34 | Corrodias | don't run more than 3 concurrently or something |
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| 06:29.42 | Guillotine | good* |
| 06:29.48 | Iriel | And even then you can just store the state of each transmission/receipt and use a master loop, you dont need coroutines. |
| 06:29.50 | Iriel | They're not threads. |
| 06:30.07 | Corrodias | ah, sorry, i don't really know what a coroutine is |
| 06:30.13 | Corrodias | sounded like they were talking about threads, to me |
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| 06:30.28 | Guillotine | I thought a coroutine was a thread o.O |
| 06:30.29 | Iriel | it's all of the STATE encapsulation of a thread, without the 'concurrent execution' part |
| 06:30.33 | Shirik | coroutines are essentially threads |
| 06:30.34 | Shirik | right |
| 06:30.44 | Shirik | in fact |
| 06:30.44 | Iriel | in this case, that last bit is quite significant |
| 06:30.50 | Shirik | type(coroutine.create(...)) returns "thread" |
| 06:30.55 | Iriel | without non-blocking I/O you're screwed. |
| 06:31.04 | Corrodias | i see |
| 06:31.42 | Guillotine | non-blocking I/O? |
| 06:31.57 | Corrodias | something that doesn't sit and wait 10 seconds for a response |
| 06:32.01 | Iriel | Guillotine: When you try and read and there's nothing waiting, you return instantly and dont get stuck |
| 06:32.05 | Corrodias | (or forever) |
| 06:32.17 | Guillotine | ah |
| 06:32.20 | Iriel | Guillotine: Generally it's combined with a call that lets you get notified when a file descriptor has something interesting to share |
| 06:32.45 | Guillotine | so really theres nothing to do but wait the 20 seconds for a timeout? |
| 06:33.10 | Corrodias | unless you can figure out a way to either shorten the timeout or change the thing to a non-blocking.. thing |
| 06:33.23 | Iriel | Guillotine: luasocket has 'select' |
| 06:33.23 | Guillotine | right. my original idea was to shorten the timeout |
| 06:33.28 | Iriel | Guillotine: You can use that |
| 06:33.51 | Guillotine | Iriel: thanks, I'll look into that |
| 06:34.05 | Iriel | Guillotine: Basically you give it a list of the sockets you're waiting to read from, and it wakes up and tells you when ANY of them are available |
| 06:34.22 | Iriel | Guillotine: Then you read from THAT one, and go back into the select again |
| 06:34.37 | Guillotine | the thing is, I'm not exactly sure what socket its using. I'm just using http.request |
| 06:34.50 | Guillotine | should I start manually doing it all? |
| 06:35.19 | Iriel | Oh, hm, you may have to |
| 06:35.29 | Iriel | Or look inside the http package and see how easy it is to mutilate |
| 06:35.36 | Iriel | That's where coroutines MAY come in handy |
| 06:36.17 | Guillotine | maybe I'll just start up several different cmd prompts and run the lua script in all of them, each set to scan a different page >.> |
| 06:36.18 | Iriel | Actually it looks like there's plenty of hooks to provide your own coroutine aware magic non-blocking socket |
| 06:36.19 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:36.20 | Guillotine | dirty, but it'll work |
| 06:36.28 | Guillotine | ah, ok |
| 06:36.53 | Guillotine | thanks Iriel :) |
| 06:36.55 | Iriel | Not that doing so is necessarily 'easy' but it'd be interesting for sure 8-) |
| 06:38.02 | Iriel | Lots of things are easy, it's just that by virtue of their easiness they rarely catch your eye |
| 06:38.20 | Shirik | print("Hello world") is easy |
| 06:38.24 | Shirik | so is print("Hello world 1") |
| 06:38.29 | Shirik | and print("Hello world 2") |
| 06:38.32 | Guillotine | Shirik: you forgot the ! |
| 06:38.37 | Guillotine | see, its not all THAT easy |
| 06:38.42 | Shirik | by that definition, there are an infinite number of easy things |
| 06:38.49 | Shirik | which is the opposite of |
| 06:38.52 | Shirik | 02:37:52 * Guillotine grumbles about nothing ever being easy |
| 06:39.03 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:39.14 | Guillotine | happy? |
| 06:39.32 | Shirik | it could be worse :P |
| 06:39.45 | zenzelezz | if something's hard to do then it's not worth doing |
| 06:39.54 | Corrodias | ^5 |
| 06:40.15 | Thunder_Child | "If it was easy, then everyone would be doing it" |
| 06:45.30 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 06:46.32 | cogwheel | success! |
| 06:47.07 | Corrodias | i should be in bed. 'ni |
| 06:49.03 | Guillotine | cogwheel: dare we ask what you succeeded at? |
| 06:49.42 | cogwheel | I made a simple HTML to WoW Forum BBCode converter so I can write my posts with a WYSIWYG editor :) |
| 06:50.02 | Guillotine | haha. nice |
| 06:51.49 | Shirik | woot it works :D |
| 06:51.55 | Shirik | signatures are verified perfectly ^^ |
| 06:52.16 | cogwheel | 'tis a good night for coding... DRINKS ALL AROUND! |
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| 06:54.47 | Guillotine | not for me :( My testing was just interrupted by the armory going down :( |
| 06:55.53 | zenzelezz | and it's all your fault! |
| 06:58.36 | Guillotine | I can't say my scanning is good for blizz's servers, but I've seen many people do far worse :P |
| 06:58.39 | Guillotine | so probably not me |
| 07:02.47 | Guillotine | damn, the new item browser on the armory is pretty dang cool |
| 07:02.55 | Thunder_Child | ./blame Guillotine |
| 07:03.13 | zenzelezz | the Armory isn't problem free; but they've done a pretty damn good job with it so far |
| 07:03.18 | Thunder_Child | ~blame Guillotine |
| 07:03.29 | purl | ACTION blames Guillotine (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 07:03.30 | Thunder_Child | thats better |
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| 07:03.34 | Guillotine | haha |
| 07:03.43 | Guillotine | zenzelezz: /agree |
| 07:03.58 | Guillotine | but hey, its still in beta. you expect there to be problems |
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| 07:15.21 | cogwheel | umm... are the website login servers down or something? |
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| 07:17.10 | Gorbulas | does anyone know what mod uses addon channel 2? |
| 07:17.33 | Gorbulas | I'm seeing messages like "Jumcjim++" |
| 07:18.26 | seebs | No clue, sorry. |
| 07:18.36 | seebs | Woot! I finally got SimpleMail working reliably enough to upload. |
| 07:18.38 | Gorbulas | and does anyone understand why group calendar does some of the things it does? |
| 07:19.50 | Gorbulas | like it seems to keep a list of people's alts |
| 07:20.16 | Gorbulas | and synchronizes an unreasonable distance into the past |
| 07:21.17 | Gorbulas | and if I understand the protocol correctly, sometimes gets into fights with other copies of the calendar where it adds and deletes every character nonstop |
| 07:21.20 | zenzelezz | http://www.theregister.com/2007/06/05/microsoft_mvp_threats/ |
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| 07:26.37 | Gorbulas | somebody just deleted all the events in GC and started readding them |
| 07:27.13 | Corrodias | what's the cost of getting another account? |
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| 07:30.53 | Gorbulas | heh the guy with the weird heartbeat messages doesn't know what's sending them |
| 07:34.18 | Corrodias | looks like $60 to obtain new keys |
| 07:34.41 | Corrodias | as convenient as it would be, i'd really rather not spend that much on it |
| 07:36.23 | Gorbulas | now that's interesting, if I correctly guess the next number in the sequence, then the mod on the other end skips that number. I can tell because the first letter is constantly incremented by one |
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| 07:38.31 | Gorbulas | actually, if I guess wrong it seems to skip the next occurrence of that letter in a case insensitive way |
| 07:38.45 | Corrodias | they could probably get another $15 /mo out of me if they'd let us open multiple accounts without paying full price for all of them, and if they'd allow character transfers without those fees. bah. |
| 07:39.44 | seebs | I was very surprised to find out that you can now buy licenses. |
| 07:39.54 | seebs | Back when I wanted to do it, the only way was to buy a physical retail box. |
| 07:40.11 | Corrodias | still is, for WoW anyway. TBC is available as an online version, though. |
| 07:40.45 | seebs | Interesting. |
| 07:41.16 | Corrodias | they make no attempt to make it cheaper... |
| 07:41.22 | seebs | The account transfer rules are weird. Last I checked, I can't trade stuff with my spouse, but I could trade stuff with my mom (if she played), because it keys off "same last name". |
| 07:41.58 | Corrodias | i'm a little surprised at how they demand so much money for these things such as opening an account and moving a characer around |
| 07:42.25 | Corrodias | almost as if they don't get enough from the normal fees |
| 07:43.02 | seebs | I suspect it's to discourage some kind of abuse, although I don't know what kind of abuse that would be. |
| 07:44.12 | Corrodias | well, i need sleep. i just came on to check what the cost would be, and there's no way i'm paying that. 'ni |
| 07:44.28 | Guillotine | probably laundering stolen characters |
| 07:44.34 | Guillotine | thats my guess at least |
| 07:45.20 | norgs | Seebs: I'm sure you would be able to transfer between spouse if you faxed or scanned a copy of the marriage certificate (whether you want to go to that effort however...) |
| 07:46.10 | seebs | That may be. I did, however, get support to say they don't care if I log in on the spouse's account sometimes. (Which is useful, because I'm the only one with the patience to debug addons.) |
| 07:46.41 | seebs | I am now up to, I think, five addons I wrote for my own use. |
| 07:46.48 | seebs | Admittedly, two of them are very small. |
| 07:46.58 | norgs | Actually, one thing i always wished is if i bought multiple accounts, i'd be able to play 2 of my characters from the same account at the same time... |
| 07:47.04 | seebs | Heh. |
| 07:47.10 | norgs | oh, how good would enchanting be then??? |
| 07:47.23 | seebs | That was why I spent $15 to move my enchanter to my second account. |
| 07:47.24 | norgs | oh yeah, you know it |
| 07:47.32 | seebs | Better yet, my enchanter/65 mage. :) |
| 07:47.57 | seebs | I have an addon whose sole function is to enable and then disable ambient sound, because if I don't do this, it's flagged as turned off but I get the sounds anyway. |
| 07:48.09 | seebs | I have no idea why I need to do that, but the addon works. |
| 07:48.17 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:48.31 | Nom- | someone in my guild just got surprised that nihilium downed Illidian |
| 07:48.50 | Nom- | They raid like 6 days a week lol |
| 07:49.34 | seebs | I've been in exactly one raid. |
| 07:49.56 | seebs | Some people on my guild organized a naked PVP-flagged L1 gnome race to Booty Bay, and one of my characters came along to kill mobs so the gnomes could keep running. |
| 07:50.15 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:50.16 | seebs | Oh, wait. I think I helped some people kill wossname in EPL, the guy with the dogs. |
| 07:50.40 | Nom- | <-- Clearing Karazhan |
| 07:51.38 | seebs | And one time, we tried to PUG the dragon in Duskwood, but we had to give up because this guy decided it would be really fun to pull the dragon on us whenever we tried to prepare for an attack. |
| 07:51.39 | seebs | He gloated about how he didn't need to make friends, because he had a guild, but strangely, a day later, he didn't have a guild anymore. |
| 07:51.47 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:51.57 | Nom- | We tried the dragon in Azshara |
| 07:52.05 | Nom- | With a mixture of players between 60-70 |
| 07:52.08 | Nom- | He's still pretty hard :) |
| 07:52.23 | Nom- | We were just killing time anyway :) |
| 07:52.38 | Nom- | Hey, what's the gold cap for a respec ? |
| 07:52.46 | Elkano | 50g iirc |
| 07:53.07 | Elkano | and dropping by 5g every month |
| 07:53.07 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 07:53.08 | |Jelly| | too damned much, imo |
| 07:53.35 | Nom- | I'm tempted to spec ret, but the problem is our next raid is Thursday night |
| 07:53.47 | Nom- | I suppose it's a question of whether I can make more than 100g in one night of farming as ret |
| 07:54.35 | Nom- | Holy spec rather sucks for farming |
| 07:58.43 | Nom- | I see these guides saying advertising you can get 180g per hour |
| 07:58.45 | Nom- | I just don't see how :( |
| 07:59.00 | Nom- | Maybe as a hunter, but definately not as a pally |
| 07:59.40 | seebs | I make money on auctions. |
| 07:59.55 | norgs | disenchanting's where it's at |
| 07:59.58 | seebs | My pally's not that high level, but all I need is an enchanter and a bit of free time. |
| 08:00.18 | seebs | Exactly. Bottomscanner+disenchanting = free money. |
| 08:00.45 | seebs | If you have bag space, you can just wait until one of the days when there's no greater eternals at AH, and sell 20+ for 15g each. |
| 08:01.32 | seebs | Auctioneerpack recently stopped containing Enchantrix, or I started downloading a different version, or something, which briefly broke this, but it's all better now. |
| 08:02.10 | norgs | Auc5 + Enchantrix + BottomScanner = Free Gold; Knowing when to sell = Priceless |
| 08:02.41 | seebs | Auc*5*? |
| 08:02.43 | Nom- | I did have an enchanter, but I don't have the gold to play the AH like that |
| 08:02.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | enchantrix was being a jerk to me and being way off on prices :[ |
| 08:03.12 | seebs | It's not too bad to get started at AH. |
| 08:03.22 | seebs | I got an orc to Orgrimmar with 1s24c, and had him up to 2g in a day or so. |
| 08:03.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy used bottomscanner to make about 24 million gold on a forum i go to |
| 08:03.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see if i can find the thread |
| 08:03.55 | seebs | About 10g is enough to speculate on lowbie enchanting mats, because of the lack of listing fees. |
| 08:03.56 | norgs | seebs: yah... new auctioneer has some really nice stats algorithms in it (like standard deviation) |
| 08:04.11 | seebs | Ooooh. Where is this wonderful new auctioneer? |
| 08:05.43 | Nom- | and our market is so flooded with enchanting mats too |
| 08:06.14 | seebs | When the market gets really flooded, I generally stop doing the disenchant dance for a day or three. Everyone else gives up too, and then prices skyrocket. |
| 08:07.13 | Nom- | And I don't think I can afford to grind encahnting again either :) |
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| 08:07.49 | Nom- | My paladin has a grand total of 100g to his name...he's a double-gatherer profession, but gathering is so damn slow, because it takes so long to kill the mobs around nodes :( |
| 08:10.25 | seebs | Which gatherings? I've had only mediocre luck with them. |
| 08:10.37 | Nom- | herbalism/mining |
| 08:10.38 | seebs | I have a feral druid herbalist pretty much just for ghost mushrooms. |
| 08:10.41 | Nom- | aka. the gold farm |
| 08:10.54 | Nom- | That combo works best on a dps class unfortunately |
| 08:11.05 | Nom- | someone who can clear the 1-2 mobs around nodes in a few seconds |
| 08:11.11 | seebs | The main thing, in my experience, is to stock stuff and wait for a day when a particular thing runs out. You sell a lot more, and pay fewer listing fees. |
| 08:11.30 | Nom- | Yeah, selling stuff isn't the problem |
| 08:11.32 | Nom- | It's getting the stuff |
| 08:11.47 | seebs | You might do better with lower-level mats. |
| 08:11.47 | Nom- | When I sell herbs or ores, I never have to relist them |
| 08:11.50 | Nom- | And I get market value too |
| 08:12.07 | Nom- | I undercut by 5% (using auctioneer) |
| 08:12.29 | Nom- | So i'm never selling stuff for less than 2-3g below the majority of stuff |
| 08:12.29 | seebs | Hmm. What level? |
| 08:12.45 | Nom- | my pally? |
| 08:12.46 | Nom- | level 70 |
| 08:13.10 | Nom- | Holy Paladin needs a LOT of spell damage gear to do good DPS |
| 08:13.20 | Nom- | and i don't have it, i don't really have ret gear either actually |
| 08:13.25 | seebs | Well, do the lower-level stuff. On my server, Thorium sells for nearly as much as the higher-level metals, and it's a lot easier to get. |
| 08:13.45 | Nom- | Herbs tend to sell better :) |
| 08:13.56 | Nom- | I sell stacks of Terocone and Mana Thistle for pretty good prices |
| 08:14.09 | Nom- | But it takes *so* long to clear mobs...especially around Mana Thistle |
| 08:14.48 | Nom- | My chances of dieing to the mobs are virtually 0, but it takes a good 40 seconds to kill one level 40 mob |
| 08:14.52 | Nom- | level 70 mob |
| 08:15.03 | seebs | I was gonna say, that sounded a bit bad, even for a holydin. |
| 08:15.12 | seebs | I have a L52 holydin. Oh, the tedium! |
| 08:15.22 | Nom- | Protecetion isn't bad |
| 08:16.17 | Nom- | I was protection for ages... Reckoning is a big DPS booster |
| 08:16.31 | Nom- | Although I think they fixed the double-proc on SoR with 2.1 :( |
| 08:16.34 | seebs | I am aiming for 41/20. |
| 08:16.52 | Nom- | I respecced just after 2.1 so didn't really get to test it |
| 08:16.55 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 08:17.08 | Nom- | Reckoning used to proc whatever seal you had on |
| 08:17.10 | seebs | I'm bad about alts, so my characters level very slowly. |
| 08:17.24 | Nom- | So Windfury + Reckoning would get you 3 swings with your weapon plus 3 procs of your seal |
| 08:17.42 | Nom- | Now I think it doesn't proc off Reckoning or Windfury |
| 08:18.05 | Nom- | A protection paladin could put out insane burst dps (as long as they're getting hit) |
| 08:18.23 | seebs | Hmm. So, why is it that, whenever the login screen says a "small" or "minimal" number of players is affected, I'm one of them? |
| 08:18.23 | Pac2722 | wats better fire or frost for a mage? |
| 08:18.26 | Nom- | The worst part about being protection was having high defense tho |
| 08:18.42 | Nom- | Because everything procs off hits, not from block/dodge/parry |
| 08:18.44 | kergoth | Any rogues around? Would like someone to test http://covenant.kergoth.com/files/kComboPoints-r7.zip. just a tiny standalone combo point display, but i dont want to be the only one who's tested it when i release it :P |
| 08:19.00 | seebs | If I could log in, I would totally try this. |
| 08:19.01 | Nom- | Pac2722: Depends on what content you're doing, what your preferences are etc etc |
| 08:19.14 | kergoth | stupid login server |
| 08:19.25 | seebs | BTW, kEnergy is my FAVORITE energy ticker. I love it. |
| 08:19.37 | Nom- | I use the one in Pitbull :) |
| 08:19.45 | kergoth | http://gallery.kergoth.com/v/wow/kcombopoints1.jpg.html is the addon.. the textures i'm using are the ones from the ColorComboPoints addon |
| 08:19.51 | kergoth | seebs, glad to hear it :) |
| 08:19.52 | Kirkburn|afk | LOL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bbc-goatse-olympics.jpg |
| 08:20.12 | Kirkburn|afk | (via http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/06/shock_tactics.html) |
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| 08:21.07 | Nom- | Pac2722: I have a fire mage, respecced for grinding, was frost for a long time before that |
| 08:21.43 | Pac2722 | k thnx |
| 08:22.01 | Pac2722 | im frost right now at lvl 61 |
| 08:22.37 | kergoth | "I seem to be having an issue with KEnergy. Every time I try to unlock KEnergy, the bar disappears. I've turned off all add-ons but KEnergy and I still can't manage to move the bar. Any idea's? Right now I can use Energywatch but it really doesn't add much in the way of customizing the look of the bar." |
| 08:23.02 | seebs | What's the thing on the left side of the display in the kcombopoints picture? It looks like a combat log of some sort. |
| 08:23.07 | seebs | *sigh* |
| 08:23.15 | seebs | I was a little confused by the display options too. |
| 08:23.26 | kergoth | that's EavesDrop |
| 08:23.31 | seebs | You know what would be a cool option for kE? |
| 08:23.34 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 08:23.45 | seebs | A less-visually-disruptive, but still visible, mode for a full energy bar. |
| 08:24.07 | Nom- | Pac2722: Both are quite viable for levelling..the only thing is you tend to get your fire spells 2 levels before frost...so you go up a fireball rank 2 levels before a frostbolt rank |
| 08:24.12 | seebs | I like knowing when the ticks are expected, but the full display sorta draws my eyes when I'm just running around. |
| 08:24.36 | Nom- | Pac2722: Fire tends to have about 10% more damage on the base hits, but crits from frost are higher (slightly) |
| 08:24.43 | Pac2722 | is there a mod for endless bags to hold more then ya bags let u? |
| 08:24.57 | seebs | I don't think so. |
| 08:25.18 | kergoth | hmm.. i'll see about adding it post 1.0. i'm gonna get border changing and a few other minor bits in, release 1.0, then add the "tick" which is a heartbeat sound that some folks have requested, and will think about how to do a less obtrusive version |
| 08:25.22 | Nom- | Pac2722: As long as you're specced into ignite, fire keeps up just fine |
| 08:25.24 | seebs | I went pure frost because I love frost. I found fire to be less forgiving of mistakes. |
| 08:25.24 | kergoth | maybe like the swing / autoshot timer bar in Quartz |
| 08:25.32 | seebs | Yeah, something like that. |
| 08:25.54 | seebs | I love having some kind of notification, but the full display, while excellent when I'm in combat, is sorta too much the rest of the time. |
| 08:26.07 | seebs | I have kCombo downloaded, but no authentication. Waah. |
| 08:26.27 | Nom- | Pac2722: To take an example, 1100 fireball = 1650 crit = 660 ignite = 2310 damage. 1000 frostbolt = 2000 crit = 2000 damage |
| 08:26.39 | kergoth | "we estimate the number of users this may affect should be minimal" hah |
| 08:26.58 | seebs | I am *sob* apparently minimal. I guess I'd go eat worms, but I'm too lazy. |
| 08:27.08 | Pac2722 | lol yer still cant log in |
| 08:27.14 | seebs | Really sucks, though, because I'm very stressy and I really WANT to go kill stuff right now. |
| 08:27.36 | kergoth | i've been fucking around with addons most of the night, and finally decided to settle down and actually play, and then cant get in. |
| 08:27.45 | seebs | I'm in week two of waiting for an offer on a job... Everyone up to the VP says they want to hire me, but the CFO instituted a hiring freeze about a week AFTER everyone else was agreed. |
| 08:27.48 | Nom- | Pac2722: If you go fire, be sure to get impact...i'm regretting not having it |
| 08:27.51 | seebs | And they aren't sure whether he'll be flexible or not. |
| 08:27.58 | kergoth | seebs, ugh, that really sucks |
| 08:28.12 | kergoth | waiting for an offer is agonizing... i hate waiting in general, but thats worse :) |
| 08:28.14 | seebs | Kergoth, same exact situation. I finally uploaded 2.1 versions of AnnoyRP and ToDo, and added SimpleMail... And now I can't get in. |
| 08:28.18 | Pac2722 | k thnx nom- |
| 08:28.28 | Nom- | Pac2722: Arcane is worth considering too :) |
| 08:28.40 | Nom- | Arcane build rather kicks arse now, in fact |
| 08:28.40 | seebs | I'm doing frost/arcane. |
| 08:28.51 | seebs | Mana absorption is excellent for farming lower-level stuff with caster mobs. |
| 08:29.00 | seebs | It's like free drinks! |
| 08:29.10 | Nom- | Arcane/Fire = POM + Arcane Power + Pyro = pwned |
| 08:29.36 | Nom- | seebs: Oh, it's awesome for tanking Illhoof in Kara too |
| 08:29.54 | Nom- | Better than a warlock :) |
| 08:30.15 | Nom- | Put on about 200FR worth of gear, get buffed and you'll be at full mana the whole time while spamming flamestrike |
| 08:30.20 | seebs | Mana absorption is the talent that convinced me to stop listening to people on the forums saying "everyone knows talent X sucks". |
| 08:30.39 | Nom- | lol it's kind of situational tho |
| 08:30.46 | Nom- | It's great for farming low level stuff |
| 08:30.47 | seebs | Yeah, it is... |
| 08:31.00 | Nom- | low level casters (should clarify that) |
| 08:31.03 | seebs | But with mage armor as my preferred armor, I get a fair number of resists even on same-level... |
| 08:31.11 | seebs | And really, casters are my weak spot anyway. |
| 08:31.19 | Nom- | heh...i use molten armor now |
| 08:31.29 | Nom- | It's nice for keeping an ignite going :P |
| 08:31.39 | seebs | I did a DM run with molten armor just for fun. Creatures could die just from hitting me. |
| 08:31.48 | Nom- | yup |
| 08:31.52 | Pac2722 | is there a mod for mailbox to send more then 1 thing at a time to some 1 |
| 08:32.07 | seebs | Pac, I don't know of one, but I really like mike's AutoMailDirector. |
| 08:32.10 | Nom- | Pac2722: Yes... CT Mod used to do that |
| 08:32.14 | seebs | You still pay 30c per item, though. |
| 08:32.21 | Nom- | I think it was CT Mod...something that had mailmod in it |
| 08:32.26 | seebs | But it works really well. SimpleMail will probably eventually add sending features. |
| 08:32.27 | Pac2722 | yer that ok |
| 08:32.42 | seebs | For now, SimpleMail is just doing the Other Half of AMD for me. |
| 08:33.09 | Nom- | Pac2722: http://www.ctmod.net/downloads/ |
| 08:33.12 | Nom- | CT_MailMod does it |
| 08:33.19 | Nom- | Mass Mailing: This option allows you to send up to 21 items or stacks of items to the same person with one click. Simply enter their name and add the items, the subject will automatically show each items name. |
| 08:33.29 | kergoth | BulkMail2 works well for automatic sending also, can choose what to send to whom, by periodictable set or specific itemids or.. handy for sending mats away from my farmer |
| 08:33.35 | Nom- | CT_MailMod also adds the ability to Alt+Click item functionality. Alt+clicking an item will add it to both regular mail and Mass Mail screens, as well as to a trade window with another player.. |
| 08:34.23 | Nom- | I should really get that, but i've been staying away from CT_Mod since all the issues with lag right after 2.0 |
| 08:34.30 | Nom- | Rather silly, I guess, but I'm just like that |
| 08:34.54 | Nom- | Kind of like not eating ice cream because that one you had 6 months ago wasn't that nice |
| 08:34.55 | seebs | I really like small, simple, mods. I think most mod authors have a very poor sense of focus. |
| 08:35.14 | kergoth | very true |
| 08:35.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:35.23 | Shirik | I probably do |
| 08:35.25 | kergoth | some start out small and nifty, but suffer from bad feature creep |
| 08:35.29 | Shirik | in theory |
| 08:35.35 | Shirik | every mod I write is extremely short |
| 08:35.37 | Nom- | I like modular stuff |
| 08:35.39 | Shirik | they all just patch into the same thing |
| 08:35.48 | Shirik | which makes it, in essense, huge |
| 08:36.02 | seebs | Even then, small and modular code tends to work better and stay smaller. |
| 08:36.10 | Shirik | but there are very few modules in RDX that are over 800 lines |
| 08:36.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge foxlit (n=me@0x573e6bae.albnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 08:36.15 | Shirik | the assists window, which is one of the more complex ones |
| 08:36.18 | Shirik | is 1200 I believe |
| 08:36.35 | kergoth | i'm torn by two conflicting desires.. the desire for tiny minimal addons and efficient interfaces, and a desire for huge amounts of information and powerful tools |
| 08:36.35 | seebs | ToDo is 1087, AnnoyRP is 1394. |
| 08:36.37 | Shirik | oh wow I was off |
| 08:36.38 | Shirik | 1600 |
| 08:36.39 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 08:36.56 | seebs | I am pretty sure that I could make AnnoyRP much smaller if I rewrote it given what I know now; it was my first non-trivial lua code. |
| 08:37.03 | Shirik | yes that is huge |
| 08:37.04 | Shirik | I mean |
| 08:37.09 | Shirik | one of the only reasons RDXM_Assists is so long |
| 08:37.10 | seebs | Its event-handling code is crap, too. |
| 08:37.15 | Shirik | is because of a 200 line comment |
| 08:37.17 | Nom- | I do need to get a mod that lets me alt-right click to add stuff to trade tho |
| 08:37.20 | |Jelly| | good morning? shirik? |
| 08:37.22 | Nom- | That's a VERY useful feature |
| 08:37.25 | Shirik | haven't gone to sleep yet |
| 08:37.32 | |Jelly| | woot! |
| 08:37.34 | Shirik | which, btw, is a very bad thing |
| 08:37.49 | |Jelly| | 5h into this kara run. lol |
| 08:37.57 | seebs | SimpleMail is 432 lines, but it does a fair bit of stuff. It would probably be about 100 lines shorter if the Blizzard mail API weren't conceived in an incestuous union with a diseased goat. |
| 08:37.57 | Nom- | |Jelly|: Which boss you up to ? |
| 08:38.04 | |Jelly| | we wont talk about that 8P |
| 08:38.18 | Nom- | Moroes? :P |
| 08:38.32 | Nom- | heh, i hope not |
| 08:38.38 | |Jelly| | close : / |
| 08:38.44 | Nom- | It's be /wrists after 5 hours on Moroes |
| 08:39.06 | |Jelly| | We're in Maiden |
| 08:39.11 | Nom- | :O |
| 08:39.31 | Nom- | Do you have a Paladin |
| 08:39.42 | |Jelly| | 2 |
| 08:39.51 | Nom- | You have two paladins and you can't down MaideN? |
| 08:39.53 | Pac2722 | me no |
| 08:39.53 | Nom- | WTF?? |
| 08:39.55 | Shirik | btw |
| 08:39.57 | Shirik | RDXM_Patcher |
| 08:40.01 | Shirik | is so totally working perfectly |
| 08:40.03 | |Jelly| | umm...we haven't attempted 8P |
| 08:40.10 | |Jelly| | hence why i said we wont talk about it. lol |
| 08:40.16 | seebs | I was in a group once where, after the fourth or fifth time a couple of players did something incredibly stupid and then said "oops lol", the mage just teleported out. |
| 08:40.17 | Nom- | OMG :O |
| 08:40.19 | seebs | I friended him immediately. |
| 08:40.25 | Nom- | Yeah, i'd be /wrists about now |
| 08:40.32 | Shirik | and so yeah |
| 08:40.34 | Nom- | 5 hours and you're only starting on maiden? :/ |
| 08:40.37 | Shirik | anyway |
| 08:40.38 | Shirik | night |
| 08:40.40 | Shirik | seriously |
| 08:40.50 | |Jelly| | Yeah...i bet your first time here went perfectly. : / |
| 08:40.53 | |Jelly| | Night Shirik |
| 08:41.04 | Pac2722 | nite |
| 08:41.06 | Nom- | Well, Moroes...we downed him in 3 attempts |
| 08:41.08 | Shirik|zZz | moroes is seriously a cock block |
| 08:41.10 | Nom- | Like literally |
| 08:41.15 | Shirik|zZz | it depends on a lot |
| 08:41.16 | Nom- | first attempt, wipe |
| 08:41.20 | Shirik|zZz | moroes and curator |
| 08:41.22 | Nom- | second attempt, accidental reset |
| 08:41.23 | Shirik|zZz | the two sudden jumps |
| 08:41.25 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 08:41.26 | Nom- | third attempt, dead |
| 08:41.51 | Punkie` | Shirik|zZz: Curator is just a gear check, a pretty simple one too |
| 08:42.04 | Nom- | lol curator is whacky actually |
| 08:42.31 | Nom- | He's not really a gear check honestly...he just needs two people to have crafted AR gear |
| 08:42.39 | Punkie` | what? |
| 08:42.45 | Punkie` | who uses AR gear on him? |
| 08:42.53 | Nom- | Arcane Resist, for sure |
| 08:43.01 | Punkie` | why would you use that? |
| 08:43.07 | Nom- | umm why wouldn't you? |
| 08:43.15 | Nom- | The adds he spawns do arcane damage |
| 08:43.21 | Punkie` | because you don't have to use it |
| 08:43.33 | Nom- | lol you don't have to wear armor to tank a boss either |
| 08:43.36 | Nom- | But it makes it a lot easier |
| 08:43.50 | Punkie` | curator is an easy fight if your dps is good |
| 08:44.08 | Pac2722 | dam wow im off to play guildwars |
| 08:44.16 | Nom- | It's a walk in the park if the people DPSing the adds are wearing Arcane Resist |
| 08:44.26 | Nom- | Well, the people tanking the adds i should say |
| 08:44.28 | Punkie` | It's a walk in the park if you aren't |
| 08:44.40 | Punkie` | and we don't have people tanking the adds either |
| 08:44.50 | Punkie` | we just dps them down and wait for the other to spawn |
| 08:45.11 | Nom- | Well, we have a feral druid in bear form pick them up |
| 08:45.18 | Nom- | and hold them away from the ranged dps |
| 08:45.21 | Nom- | Work a charm |
| 08:45.41 | Nom- | He and the rogue wear arcane gear just to reduce the amount of damage they take...makes it easy |
| 08:45.54 | Nom- | We've one-shotted him every time for the last 4 weeks after we had those two in arcane resist gear |
| 08:46.00 | Mike-N-Go | Pac2722: Hello. |
| 08:46.13 | Pac2722 | hallo |
| 08:46.23 | Punkie` | well, ok :p |
| 08:46.47 | Punkie` | we downed him on our second go ever, the first go we just tried to DPS him as we thought the adds would despawn |
| 08:47.08 | Nom- | Yah well first few times we tried him, healers ran oom |
| 08:47.21 | Nom- | So we put Arcane Resist on the two adds melee dps, and problem solvered |
| 08:47.32 | Mike-N-Go | I'm Mike, and I made Auto Mail Director to send mail to my trade alts faster. |
| 08:47.34 | Pac2722 | yes Mike-N-Go did u want some thing? |
| 08:47.40 | Mike-N-Go | ~Mike-N-Go |
| 08:47.52 | purl | i guess mike-n-go is the n00blet that could.. The author of AutoMailDirector, available on WoWI, or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html, or his email is MikeNGoSupport@gmail.com |
| 08:47.52 | Nom- | We've now swapped the group around a bit, and have a shadow priest, so the healers don't even need to pot any more |
| 08:47.56 | Punkie` | fair enough, we always tend to have a shadowpriest or resto shaman |
| 08:48.27 | Nom- | We have both :) |
| 08:48.33 | Mike-N-Go | seebs: What is this 'other half' of AMD? |
| 08:48.48 | subbawt | Yeah I would say people wearing Arcane Resist on curator is less common than people not wearing it. |
| 08:48.59 | seebs | Well, AMD sends mail, so I have an addon that receives mail very efficiently. |
| 08:49.07 | Nom- | Well, we could probably do it without AR gear now |
| 08:49.16 | Nom- | But why change when this is working for us really well? |
| 08:49.23 | seebs | AMD is awesome. |
| 08:49.26 | Nom- | I mean hell, we killed him in 2 evocates the other day |
| 08:49.36 | Punkie` | Nom- because you could probably kill him faster :p |
| 08:49.39 | Nom- | 1st evocate = 51% |
| 08:49.57 | Nom- | 2nd evocate starts he was on 45%, he was at 9% when it broke and he enraged |
| 08:50.02 | Mike-N-Go | ~RDX |
| 08:50.22 | purl | RDX (Reverse Distributed Cron-like System) is a set of clients to connect to a server, and identify themselves via a string, and get a job list with schedules. URL: http://www.nobis.com/~ora/CS.tar.gz |
| 08:50.23 | Nom- | Now, that's more than fast enough, imho :D |
| 08:50.49 | Punkie` | One of my friends in Forte told me they downed him in 1 evoc :p |
| 08:51.04 | subbawt | we have after the patch, too |
| 08:51.08 | Punkie` | enhancement shamans etc |
| 08:51.13 | Mike-N-Go | seebs: I will have to look into that mod and, when able to, implement receiving mail as well. |
| 08:51.24 | seebs | Heh. And I've been thinking of adding sending. :) |
| 08:51.27 | Nom- | Yeah, we don't dps between evocates, aside from dots tho |
| 08:51.36 | Nom- | We have everyone on adds to make sure we have them down |
| 08:51.46 | Punkie` | Nom-: Do you use a warlock? |
| 08:51.50 | Nom- | Two |
| 08:52.00 | Punkie` | Get them to time their CoD's then :P |
| 08:52.03 | Punkie` | boom! |
| 08:52.04 | Nom- | We do :) |
| 08:52.06 | Mike-N-Go | seebs: You've developed a mail mod? |
| 08:52.07 | seebs | SimpleMail's a very unixy solution to the problem. |
| 08:52.09 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 08:52.20 | subbawt | i remember when i used to think the hateful bolts on curator was threat based |
| 08:52.26 | subbawt | and i was shadow, so i told the pally not to give me salvation |
| 08:52.28 | seebs | "/sm get -e" gets every item from an Auction expired message, for instance. |
| 08:52.36 | subbawt | i tanked curator for a good 10 seconds |
| 08:52.42 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 08:52.42 | seebs | "/sm check -s" lists all your Auction successful messages, and their total money value. |
| 08:52.55 | Mike-N-Go | May it get all the auction mail? |
| 08:53.11 | Punkie` | I still think one of the best fights is Aran :p |
| 08:53.16 | seebs | Yup. "/sm get -a" gets any and all auction mail, and "/sm get -A" gets all NON-auction mail. |
| 08:53.18 | Punkie` | The voice over's rock |
| 08:53.28 | seebs | Also, usage options like "/sm get -f Bob" gets everything from Bob. |
| 08:53.30 | Mike-N-Go | And it is GUI-less, just like my mod =] |
| 08:53.36 | seebs | Yup. |
| 08:53.45 | Nom- | 1. Dest Warlock, 2. Demon Warlock, 3. Shadow Priest, 4. Holy Priest, 5. Holy Paladin, 6. Resto Shaman, 7. Feral Druid, 8. Protection Warrior, 9. Marks Hunter, 10. Rogue (not sure on spec) |
| 08:54.04 | Nom- | armory is down, so i can't check spec on rogue |
| 08:54.12 | Punkie` | Who are you? What do you want? Stay away from me! |
| 08:54.23 | Nom- | - Shade of Aran |
| 08:54.25 | subbawt | We don't really do organized kara anymore, so I never go. |
| 08:54.37 | subbawt | We usually have some sort of group form up on the weekend though |
| 08:54.47 | Nom- | Ah we do...we're rotating player into our Kara Raid 1 and gearing them up |
| 08:54.58 | Mike-N-Go | seebs: Cool, mind if I implement the code into AMD and give you credit? |
| 08:54.59 | Nom- | We've got 2 main Kara raids, and 1 adhoc Kara raid |
| 08:55.37 | subbawt | We did everything but nightbane the first week we had enough 70s in the guild attuned |
| 08:55.42 | Nom- | Raid 1 (my raid) clears it every week, Raid 2 clears up to Netherspite/Chess (they struggle beyond shade) |
| 08:55.49 | Nom- | Raid 3 is only going as far as Curator last i checked |
| 08:56.25 | subbawt | We're working on SSC right now, our attendance has been bumpy, so we aren't as far as we should be. |
| 08:56.33 | Nom- | Works well, we're currently rotating people from Raid 2 into Raid 1 and training/gearing the |
| 08:57.06 | subbawt | Yeah we used to run two groups, but we tried to make them even. |
| 08:57.25 | subbawt | It usually resulted in both groups killing prince, but only one able to kill nightbane. |
| 08:57.49 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik|zZz: What is RDX? |
| 08:57.50 | Nom- | Yeah, nightbane is a little bit luck based still :) |
| 08:57.57 | subbawt | And then eventually people stopped showing up for two day karazhans if we tried to run two groups. |
| 08:58.06 | subbawt | so we started doing one group |
| 08:58.13 | subbawt | now sometimes we get two groups going that clear it in one day |
| 08:58.16 | Nom- | Last week took us two attempts, we lost 2 people in the first landing which kinda screwed us over |
| 08:58.35 | subbawt | sometimes we don't do it at all, though |
| 08:58.36 | Nom- | 1 healer, 1 dps....that really hurts |
| 08:58.46 | Nom- | actually, we lost 2 healers, but 1 got a combat rez |
| 08:58.58 | subbawt | I solo healed nightbane from 50% to zero once. It was intense. |
| 08:59.11 | Nom- | They didn't do bad though, got him to 25% after such a bad start |
| 08:59.25 | Nom- | subbawt: With what? Two shadow priests? |
| 08:59.45 | subbawt | None actually |
| 08:59.49 | subbawt | i got an innervate from a feral druid |
| 08:59.51 | subbawt | and chugged pots |
| 09:00.20 | subbawt | we are known to pull off some whacky boss kills |
| 09:00.20 | Nom- | The amount of heals required through, I don't see how :/ |
| 09:00.42 | Nom- | Even with Divine Illumination, I can't keep up that level of heals long enough |
| 09:00.48 | Nom- | Not unless I got crit after crit |
| 09:01.37 | Nom- | I don't see how you could really completely solo heal |
| 09:01.40 | subbawt | well, we outgear the encounter significantly now |
| 09:01.49 | Nom- | The sole heal-spec healer i could understand |
| 09:02.11 | Nom- | Well, most of our raid is in Kara Epics |
| 09:02.48 | Nom- | I'm in 2/5 T4 too |
| 09:02.50 | subbawt | Well, I mean it was just one air phase solo, which is really the only rough part. |
| 09:02.54 | Nom- | I don't see me solo healing it ong enough tho |
| 09:03.02 | Nom- | That's true enough |
| 09:03.09 | subbawt | nightbane is a wuss now |
| 09:03.24 | Nom- | Actually, I suppose the biggest pain about Nightbane is when you're fighting with 3 other healers |
| 09:03.42 | Nom- | I always overheal on the MT coz someone gets a heal in 0.005 seconds before me |
| 09:04.01 | foxlit | Consider using different heal timing :) |
| 09:04.22 | Nom- | Heal timing? I just heal when i see the hp go down :) |
| 09:04.31 | foxlit | Now, see, that's wrong |
| 09:04.35 | Nom- | 2 second heal time on holy light |
| 09:04.50 | foxlit | Chances are someone else is also healing that target |
| 09:05.03 | Nom- | yeah, but you can't assume that :P |
| 09:05.03 | foxlit | So paladins really need to quit healing what HoTs would've already brought to 100% |
| 09:05.04 | subbawt | I constantly cast heals, and cancel them if I see a parry/dodge right before it's about to land. |
| 09:05.29 | Nom- | lol i'm not talking about flash of light heals |
| 09:05.40 | Nom- | I don't care if they overheal, because they're a whopping 180 mana |
| 09:05.52 | Nom- | I'm talking about holy light heals...the 7k crits i throw around |
| 09:05.59 | foxlit | That disqualifies you from qqing about Illumination :) |
| 09:06.07 | foxlit | (just 7k?) |
| 09:06.22 | Nom- | About 8-9k on a warlock :P |
| 09:06.49 | subbawt | I don't know how much my top rank greater heal does, but I have 1800ish +healing. |
| 09:06.56 | Nom- | i have 1700 on my pally |
| 09:07.25 | Nom- | Given the typical comment when I throw one of those is "HOLY S@#$ |
| 09:07.31 | Nom- | I'm guessing 7K is quite big |
| 09:08.10 | Nom- | Rank 7 = 2396 - 2784 base |
| 09:08.38 | foxlit | Ordinary HT hits for like 5.5k |
| 09:08.57 | |Jelly| | Maiden down first shot : / |
| 09:09.04 | subbawt | you're comparing 3.5 second casts to 2 second casts though foxlit |
| 09:09.21 | |Jelly| | and I got the cloth bracers (not as good as the hammer...but...) |
| 09:09.30 | subbawt | I need those bracers |
| 09:09.35 | subbawt | I'm still using tier 3 |
| 09:09.42 | foxlit | sabbawt: while your sentiment is correct, the numbers are wrong. |
| 09:09.55 | Nom- | 1700 + healing would make that like 3853 - 4241 |
| 09:10.04 | subbawt | Which one? |
| 09:10.12 | Nom- | Greater Heal Rank 7 |
| 09:10.15 | foxlit | Either, depending on what you wanted to say |
| 09:10.27 | Nom- | That's not taking into account any talents which make Greater Heal more effective |
| 09:11.30 | subbawt | i need to get my new staff enchanted |
| 09:11.51 | subbawt | I keep replacing all of my gear that has spirit on it, it makes me sad :( |
| 09:11.56 | Nom- | Which from talents you get 10% |
| 09:12.13 | subbawt | and 20% more benefit from +healing, Nom- |
| 09:12.14 | Nom- | Plus 20% from extra spell damage, so you get 20% of 1700 |
| 09:13.22 | Nom- | 4612 - 5039 |
| 09:13.33 | Nom- | so 7.5k max crit |
| 09:13.52 | Nom- | and as said ealier, we're comparing a 2 second cast to a 3 second cast :) |
| 09:14.13 | subbawt | greater heal is 2.5 with talents |
| 09:14.21 | foxlit | HoT stack mitigates that :) |
| 09:14.25 | Nom- | 2 to 2.5 then :) |
| 09:14.42 | Nom- | Well technically Holy Light is 2.5, but after the first one you get a 15 second buff which takes 0.5 seconds off the casting time |
| 09:15.04 | Nom- | So it effectively becomes 2.0 casting time for most of a fight assuming enough damage is gonig around |
| 09:15.18 | zenzelezz | server downtime is fun, http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=292180590&sid=1 |
| 09:15.25 | subbawt | I need more spirit. I'm starting to regret this whole stacking mp5 thing. |
| 09:15.29 | zenzelezz | always someone taking the chance to bash someone on the realm forums |
| 09:15.45 | Nom- | But yeah, that effectiveness is about the same as Paladin Holy Light |
| 09:15.57 | subbawt | I have 171mp5 while casting, but only 354 while I'm not. |
| 09:16.01 | Nom- | I hit for about the same non-crit with my max rank holy light |
| 09:16.38 | Nom- | mana cost is about the same too |
| 09:17.44 | Nom- | 825 mana vs 840 mana |
| 09:18.28 | Nom- | I use rank 8 most of the time instead of rank 11 tho |
| 09:18.38 | Nom- | 580 mana for 5k crit |
| 09:19.03 | Nom- | I save rank 11 for when the tank is low on health :) |
| 09:20.30 | subbawt | I keep renew up religiously, keep prayer of mending on cooldown, while spamming rank 3 greater heal. |
| 09:21.28 | Nom- | Yah, that's the only thing pally lack... a HOT |
| 09:21.42 | Nom- | That's why god invented FoL spam tho |
| 09:21.55 | Nom- | 180 mana for 1400 heal = uber |
| 09:23.08 | Nom- | okies cya later guys, time to go home |
| 09:23.15 | Nom- | petrol station first tho otherwise i don't get home : |
| 09:23.16 | Nom- | :/ |
| 09:23.45 | subbawt | bye |
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| 09:45.59 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6573.new#new |
| 09:46.00 | Industrial | kapow |
| 09:46.33 | Wobin | meh |
| 09:46.48 | Wobin | The whole "I'm helpful, but hey, rantrantrant" is getting boring =P |
| 09:47.25 | Industrial | ha |
| 09:48.03 | Industrial | but its true. |
| 09:48.28 | Wobin | well it's badly formed |
| 09:48.45 | Wobin | "Ace is X, Ace is Y, Three Chickens say Bwak" |
| 09:48.53 | Industrial | fine |
| 09:49.41 | Wobin | tbh, It's not the content =) It's just the disparity of points =P |
| 09:50.11 | Industrial | edited |
| 09:50.12 | Industrial | =D |
| 09:51.26 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 10:17.36 | foxlit | " Is there a primarily ACE only site where I can download files that has a screen shot of the mod in action I can view before I download it?" :( |
| 10:19.26 | |Jelly| | "No. You have to use your imagination." |
| 10:19.30 | Wobin | It's true |
| 10:19.48 | Wobin | Since ace is merely the framework behind it. It'd be like looking at a construction site |
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| 10:19.56 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 10:19.57 | foxlit | Meh, need to invent a new label for "performance-friendly mods" |
| 10:20.04 | zenzelezz | looking at construction sites is fun though! |
| 10:20.14 | Wobin | All the hot sweaty men, zenz? |
| 10:20.26 | zenzelezz | the power tools, and the metal! |
| 10:20.34 | zenzelezz | so much steel |
| 10:20.38 | |Jelly| | Well...people think ace is synonymous with great performance...and make decisions solely based upon that. : / |
| 10:20.48 | Wobin | |Jelly|: Unfortunately so |
| 10:21.11 | foxlit | Which sucks. |
| 10:21.28 | Wobin | anyway |
| 10:21.31 | Wobin | why have a new label? |
| 10:21.41 | Wobin | What's wrong with "I want a well coded efficient mod"? |
| 10:21.50 | foxlit | Because people obviously want a label |
| 10:21.55 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 10:22.07 | Wobin | We'll call it 'gay' =) |
| 10:22.12 | foxlit | So many words! |
| 10:22.14 | Wobin | "I'm looking for a gay mod" |
| 10:22.26 | foxlit | "coded"? "efficient"? me no spell words over three letters long! |
| 10:22.56 | foxlit | Gayness rating! |
| 10:23.08 | Wobin | spl wdz ovr thr ltr lng |
| 10:23.16 | foxlit | On a scale of 1-10, how much will this mod impact your gameplay in the following situations: solo play, party content and 25 man raiding |
| 10:23.19 | Kaso | If people dont think Ace is a synonym for "efficient", then they believe "Low memory" == "efficient" which also is far from the truth. Correlation is not connection! |
| 10:23.21 | Wobin | "Fabulous" |
| 10:24.32 | Kaso | I like fabulous, as long as on the addon list, each letter in the name is the next color in a nice rainbow. |
| 10:25.09 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_Gayness_Rating |
| 10:25.23 | Kaso | hehe |
| 10:25.50 | Kaso | Which reminds me, where did i put that code for HSV coloring.... |
| 10:26.23 | foxlit | Wouldn't mind a HSV2RGB function :P |
| 10:26.53 | Kaso | We have a guild channel that is base64 encoded to allow color codes, so i made a function to make my text rainbow colored |
| 10:27.08 | Kaso | like increased my message length by 20x |
| 10:27.11 | Kaso | but was fun :> |
| 10:27.44 | foxlit | Wee, undocumented changes |
| 10:28.23 | foxlit | There's no longer a noticible dps drop in the Blade's Edge forge camps :P |
| 10:28.37 | Wobin | *blinky* |
| 10:28.44 | Wobin | why would dps drop? |
| 10:28.56 | foxlit | s/dps/fps/ |
| 10:29.00 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:30.08 | Nom- | grrr bloody login server |
| 10:30.11 | foxlit | It's one of the more annoying places to farm |
| 10:30.12 | Nom- | just got home and can't log in :( |
| 10:30.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:30.29 | Wobin | That means I can't either, doesn't it? |
| 10:30.31 | Wobin | damn you iinet |
| 10:31.04 | foxlit | You'd think Wobin's internet was powered by his oven |
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| 10:31.25 | wobin | whups |
| 10:31.27 | wobin | wrong button |
| 10:32.37 | Nom- | It's not iiNet's fault |
| 10:32.41 | Nom- | Blizzard has an outage notice |
| 10:35.29 | wobin | woot, no issue authenticating |
| 10:36.00 | Nom- | ORLY |
| 10:36.02 | Nom- | *tries again* |
| 10:37.12 | Nom- | yay there it goes |
| 10:37.16 | Nom- | *starts playing hunter* |
| 10:43.24 | foxlit | Shirik: so how goes the patching? |
| 10:44.27 | |Jelly| | Shirik--I got purpelz! |
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| 11:31.50 | Kaso | \124cffffaa 0F\124r\124cffaaff 0a\124r\124cff 0ff 0b\124r\124cff 0ffa9u\124r\124cff 0a9ffl\124r\124cff 0 0ffo\124r\124cffaa 0ffu\124r\124cffff 0aas\124r\124cffff 0 0!\124r |
| 11:32.32 | JoshBorke | is that right?! |
| 11:32.36 | JoshBorke | ~lart kaso |
| 11:32.36 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in kaso's direction, hitting kaso and sending kaso flying into the closet |
| 11:33.06 | Elkano | hai; can has stdio?; visible " http://www.lolcode.com/ "; kthxbye |
| 11:33.07 | Kaso | It says Fabulous in a nice rainbow effect |
| 11:33.44 | Kaso | in connection to the convo me, wobin and foxlit had earlier |
| 11:34.16 | Kaso | foxlit, if you want the HSV-RGB-HSV code it's here; http://pastey.net/52681 |
| 11:34.34 | Kaso | An implentation of some guy's algorithim i found on google. |
| 11:34.47 | Kaso | i alsow thrown in my "Color" function to make your works more gay! |
| 11:46.03 | Elkano | where is cide when you need him :/ |
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| 11:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 11:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | temptation to model change netherwing eggs rising |
| 11:55.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Also temptation to get yourself banned? :P |
| 11:56.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd just change it to something a bit more colorful, nothing huge so it's obvious i'm looting an egg from miles away |
| 11:56.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just dumb....but these things blend in way too much :[ |
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| 12:41.19 | Kaso | Whats the correct way to do string.format("|cff%2x%2x%2x", r,g,b) |
| 12:41.41 | Kaso | atm that gives "|cff 0 0 0" if r,g,b are 0 |
| 12:41.43 | Josh_Borke | that's what i do in guildbook |
| 12:41.47 | Kaso | instead of 00 00 00 |
| 12:41.47 | Josh_Borke | hm, sec |
| 12:42.41 | Josh_Borke | hm, weird, dunno |
| 12:42.54 | Kaso | im sure it used to give 00 |
| 12:43.28 | Kaso | i mean "|cffffff 0" *is* valid for wow, but addons dont like it cos it doesnt match thier patterns |
| 12:46.45 | Kaso | Josh_Borke, #lua tells me you need %02x |
| 12:46.51 | Kaso | otherwise it just pads with the default space |
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| 13:05.14 | Kaso | i really should test my code better before releasing |
| 13:05.20 | Josh_Borke | naw |
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| 13:12.16 | Xuerian | Cairenn, you sneaky sneaky witch. Teasing us with PotBS beta keys... |
| 13:13.12 | Cairenn | who, me? |
| 13:13.29 | Xuerian | Yes, you! |
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| 13:15.34 | Kaso | foxlit are you there |
| 13:16.18 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Bah, my system doesn't meet the requirements. Your siren's song has been countered.... for now >..> |
| 13:17.33 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 13:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 13:29.42 | Josh_Borke | hgu |
| 13:29.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone lemme know when login servers wake up :[ |
| 13:32.48 | Pac2722 | wow one's have |
| 13:33.31 | mikma | Cairenn: have you ever played WoW? :) |
| 13:33.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:34.09 | mikma | is that a yes? :D |
| 13:34.26 | Cairenn | like you don't already know the answer :p |
| 13:34.30 | Cairenn | yes I play wow |
| 13:34.44 | mikma | well i haven't evenr heard you talking about actually PLAYING any game :D |
| 13:34.54 | mikma | you are all quiet and ... purry |
| 13:35.08 | Cairenn | yes, I play wow |
| 13:35.11 | Cairenn | I also play LotRO |
| 13:35.30 | Cairenn | I played EQ for 5+ years, I've dabbled with EQ2 and Vanguard |
| 13:35.47 | mikma | So, what's Cairenns UI like in WoW? :D |
| 13:36.20 | Josh_Borke | she won't say |
| 13:36.37 | foxlit | She hates UI modifications and plays with UIParent hidden |
| 13:36.54 | mikma | WorldFrame:Hide() |
| 13:36.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:37.14 | Cairenn | no, I don't really tend to say, for fairly obvious reasons |
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| 13:41.53 | TS|Skrom | morning all |
| 13:42.26 | Aella | 'lo. |
| 13:42.33 | Cairenn | hi TS|Skrom |
| 13:42.48 | TS|Skrom | how's everyone doing today? |
| 13:43.40 | mikma | creamy |
| 13:48.54 | TS|Skrom | Question: Can dropdown boxes be set to be scrollable or are they always static frames with a maximum length (which frustratingly is shooting off the top of my screen atm) |
| 13:51.30 | Aella | The built-in UI dropdown isn't scrollable, but it's possible to create a scrollable dropdown. |
| 13:51.40 | TS|Skrom | ahh the good old "yes and no" answer |
| 13:52.03 | TS|Skrom | well then that brings up even more questions, like for starters: how do you make one? |
| 13:52.33 | Aella | With great difficulty, probably. |
| 13:52.40 | Aella | You'd need to make the frame yourself. |
| 13:53.51 | TS|Skrom | great difficulty isn't a big deal, I've got lots of time, just need to be pointed in the right direction. I kinda thought about that, but I didn't know what frame to replace see I'm awfully bad at seeing links at times and in the standard dropdown element I coulnd't quote figure out what the actual dropped down part was called or if it was just an extension of the button itself |
| 13:54.03 | TS|Skrom | I don't know I confuse myself more often then not |
| 13:55.09 | Aella | You'd basically need to rebuild UIDropDownMenuTemplates.xml, UIDropDownMenu.xml, and UIDropDownMenu.lua--though there might be some reusable portions.. |
| 13:55.55 | TS|Skrom | so you are saying that the dropped down portion of a menu is a subframe listed in one of those files? |
| 13:56.08 | TS|Skrom | if so I'll get looking right away! rockin' |
| 13:56.10 | Aella | That is where the standard dropdown menu code resides. |
| 13:56.15 | mikma | any tailors here? :) |
| 13:56.26 | Aella | Basically everywhere one is used, yeah. |
| 13:57.03 | mikma | So, Cenarion Herb Bag is 20slot herb-bag... is there any bigger ones out there? |
| 13:57.34 | Aella | Satchel of Cenarius. |
| 13:57.42 | mikma | that requires revered with CC? |
| 13:57.59 | Aella | Yep. |
| 13:58.09 | mikma | pff, like i'm revered :( |
| 13:58.18 | TS|Skrom | ohhh what was that addon that let you mouse over areas of the screen and see the frame stack? |
| 13:58.20 | Aella | Well, revered to create it, you could find someone else with it. |
| 13:58.22 | mikma | it's a wonder that BC didn't bring any new bags |
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| 13:59.06 | zenzelezz | no new bags? What about mining bags, gem bags, netherweave bags? |
| 13:59.12 | leethal | the 20 slotter wins |
| 13:59.14 | Aella | Engineering bags? |
| 13:59.23 | mikma | zenzelezz: herb bags |
| 14:03.26 | foxlit | Boo, hiss, phpbb3 upgrade script chokes randomly :( |
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| 14:15.04 | Corrodias | 1) the -pattern- for satchel of cenarius requires the faction rep, not the item |
| 14:15.13 | Corrodias | 2) the frame stack showing addon is devtools |
| 14:16.01 | TS|Skrom | thanks corro |
| 14:19.04 | Kaso | I wonder if i can claim credit for the default UI now showing healing done over head, seeing as i wrote an addon to do that before they added it :> |
| 14:19.20 | Kaso | Perhaps its a little tenuous seeing as i didnt really realise that addon.. |
| 14:19.40 | Aella | SCT is probably the add-on that can best claim that. =P |
| 14:20.21 | Kaso | sct nicked the nameplate things from me and Shadowed. |
| 14:20.46 | Josh_Borke | i hate the healing things |
| 14:20.58 | Josh_Borke | but then again, i'm a shadow priest, so it probably happens more for me than anyone else |
| 14:21.11 | Kaso | haha |
| 14:21.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | skyshatter down :D |
| 14:22.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | people said these races were hard |
| 14:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | pffffft |
| 14:22.07 | Corrodias | druids can cheat |
| 14:22.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't have to |
| 14:22.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually wait i did once on skyshatter cause he was being buggy and hit me with an invisible meteor |
| 14:22.39 | Corrodias | they're difficult because there seems to be little relation to where the guy throws his attacks and where they end up |
| 14:22.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 14:22.49 | Corrodias | to where -> between where |
| 14:23.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's because it plans a trajectory to your serverside location |
| 14:23.07 | Corrodias | mulverick hit me 3 times on my successful run, and skyshatter did once |
| 14:23.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i oneshotted all of them but skyshatter because he kept randomly looping around quickly then vanishing |
| 14:23.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i finally realized just to imagine he didn't loop and keep going straight |
| 14:24.23 | Corrodias | well, it's time for me to go to work. curator again tonight. |
| 14:24.35 | Corrodias | we're going to fuck him up >:o |
| 14:25.19 | wobin | Josh_Borke: It gets incredibly spammy, doesn't it =\ |
| 14:28.14 | Josh_Borke | wobin: yea :-) |
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| 14:41.56 | wobin | http://userpic.livejournal.com/62518900/1081450 <--- Win! |
| 14:43.00 | TS|Skrom | I don't get it |
| 14:44.27 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:45.15 | wobin | We'll tell you when you're older, TS|Skrom = |
| 14:45.15 | wobin | ) |
| 14:45.16 | Kaso | haha |
| 14:45.50 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 14:46.08 | TS|Skrom | no I mean I get what they are doing.. but what's with the olympic rings and I can't even read whats on the other one |
| 14:46.27 | zenzelezz | it's the London olympics logo |
| 14:46.36 | wobin | for 2014? |
| 14:46.41 | wobin | 12? |
| 14:46.44 | Kaso | which alot of people say looks like lisa simpson giving head |
| 14:46.47 | zenzelezz | something like that |
| 14:46.50 | wobin | Goddamn, even knowing it, I can't read it =P |
| 14:47.03 | wobin | Worst logo ever =P |
| 14:49.14 | Punkie` | yes, that logo is terrible |
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| 14:57.45 | clad|work | i'm glad i'll be out of england before the olympics =) |
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| 15:33.49 | Thunder_Child | heh, wowi had it's first favorable book review; Page 348 "A few IRC channels out there are related to WoW modding, but the most useful is the #wowi-lounge channel on Freenode (irc.freenode)." |
| 15:34.17 | clad|work | =) |
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| 15:34.57 | foxlit | phpbb3 converter dies without outputting anything to HTTP stream :( |
| 15:43.16 | krka | yay, i finally beat wii tanks |
| 15:44.58 | Kaso|afk | oh no! clad|work what have you done, all the plebs will be in here now |
| 15:45.04 | clad|work | haha |
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| 15:51.22 | krka | crap! i just completed 20 missions - apparently that just unlocked 80 more missions |
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| 16:16.22 | Kaso | Ultimate rogue UI imo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/rogueftw.jpg |
| 16:16.58 | foxlit | wtf? |
| 16:17.03 | foxlit | Where's the magic stunlock button?! |
| 16:17.49 | Kaso | well that would be in the middle but my rogue aint high enough level yet! |
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| 16:24.19 | TC-Working | freaks |
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| 16:25.00 | Kaso | noob |
| 16:25.24 | Kaelten | g'mornin |
| 16:26.16 | Kaso | You're not a noob, dont worry |
| 16:26.42 | TC-Working | pfft w/e 2 buttons do not a good UI make |
| 16:27.11 | Kaso | its a joke you see |
| 16:27.17 | TC-Working | it's a bad one |
| 16:27.23 | TC-Working | L2Funny |
| 16:27.30 | Kaso | im cleverly suggesting that rogues require no skill to play |
| 16:28.12 | TC-Working | what suggestion?? it's the truth |
| 16:28.21 | TS|Skrom | is it still clever if it's been rehashed 3 dozen times before? |
| 16:28.46 | Kaso | umm, well in the interesting of protecting my own interests im gonna say "yes" |
| 16:29.03 | TS|Skrom | kk |
| 16:29.22 | mikma | Kaso: now that's what i call a rogue ui |
| 16:30.02 | TC-Working | mikma, dont be an enabler |
| 16:30.17 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:30.37 | Kaso | haha |
| 16:30.50 | mikma | TC-Working: now that's what i call a... noob! |
| 16:30.53 | mikma | hehe :O |
| 16:31.10 | TC-Working | well at least your correct about 1 of the 2 |
| 16:31.18 | mikma | good enough |
| 16:31.40 | mikma | if Josh_Borke would be here, he would say "as whiner" |
| 16:31.42 | TC-Working | .....you win at 50%?? they must hate you at raids |
| 16:32.05 | mikma | TC-Working: what raids, they won't let me in! |
| 16:32.15 | TC-Working | ah, and now we know why |
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| 17:15.57 | kergoth | damn, auctioneer 5 svn is looking awfully promising. /me looks forward to it being finished (well, no code is ever finished, but at least mostly feature complete ;) |
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| 17:18.27 | TC-Working | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/mmmm%2C-back-hair/ishave-child-prodigy-of-back-scratcher-and-electric-shaver-266388.php |
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| 17:33.55 | zenzelezz | I think it's fair enough for people to try to PUG Karazhan, but this group has been asking for two hours now... first "2 tanks, 2 healers", then "2 tanks", "1 tank gtg!", "2 healers", "2 tanks"... |
| 17:34.01 | zenzelezz | at least they're persistent |
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| 17:35.56 | TC-Working | pugs make me want to kill babies |
| 17:39.08 | jme | ehh, you win some, you lose some |
| 17:39.28 | jme | i was in an awesome pug this weekend with people that actually knew what they were doing... but that's rare |
| 17:39.39 | jme | s/this/last |
| 17:41.12 | Shirik|AFK | the thought of a PUG karazhan |
| 17:41.15 | Shirik|AFK | makes me want to |
| 17:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm such a creative coder |
| 17:41.19 | Shirik|AFK | well yeah |
| 17:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | function DC_Destroy() DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("testlol"); end |
| 17:41.21 | Shirik|AFK | what TC-Working said |
| 17:41.44 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I don't get it |
| 17:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "testlol" ? |
| 17:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not even sure where that came from |
| 17:42.16 | Shirik | should I hurt you for making a global function with a name like that? ^^ |
| 17:42.18 | TC-Working | lolcode maybe? |
| 17:42.31 | TC-Working | would fit in |
| 17:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, yeah it would fit |
| 17:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And Shirik, possibly maybe yes :) |
| 17:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Better not look at the rest of my code if you want to, heh |
| 17:43.08 | Shirik | I had to make another global variable today |
| 17:43.10 | Shirik | I was mad about it |
| 17:43.14 | Shirik | I think, actually, I can remove it |
| 17:43.35 | Shirik | but I don't really want patches to be distributed on a character basis, I want them to be non-character-specific, of course |
| 17:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, time for me to be called a noob. If I define a function as local, how can I call it with /script ? |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | I never said to make it local |
| 17:45.14 | Shirik | here, let me show you one of my modules |
| 17:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but to be honest, I'm largely clueless about the differences. I have the basics, but not all of the pieces. |
| 17:45.55 | foxlit | You can expose it! |
| 17:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds riskey |
| 17:46.19 | foxlit | local function foo() ... end; SomePublicTablePerAddon.ExposedFoo = foo; |
| 17:46.20 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/52920 |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | notice how every function I make starts with RDXM. |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | specifically, RDXM.Gruul. |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | wtf is this, Shirik! |
| 17:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | global arg1?! |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | yaya I know |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | tsktsktsk! |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | I need to update VFLEvent before I can use a local |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | anonymous function wrappers? |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | boo! hiss! |
| 17:48.19 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:48.19 | Shirik | you like BlizzEvent() ? |
| 17:48.19 | Shirik | you know how it's defined? |
| 17:48.19 | Shirik | function BlizzEvent(...) return ... end |
| 17:48.19 | Shirik | we just have it there in case we ever want to add our own events later |
| 17:48.33 | Shirik | so we can change those up quickly |
| 17:48.33 | foxlit | I'm evil |
| 17:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, is RDXM a frame? |
| 17:48.33 | Shirik | nope |
| 17:48.34 | Shirik | RDXM is just a table |
| 17:48.45 | foxlit | EC_Register("SOME_EVENT_NAME", "id", func); EC_Raise("SOME_EVENT_NAME"); |
| 17:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that's simpler than I thought. |
| 17:49.15 | foxlit | (thing is, it also rather naively does :RegisterEvent(); so it's like dongle's events and messenging rolled into one :P) |
| 17:49.22 | Shirik | scroll down to 386 |
| 17:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 17:49.35 | Shirik | that's a frame |
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| 17:50.15 | clad|work | foxlit: Dongle's messages and events were seperated for a VERY specific reason |
| 17:50.34 | clad|work | and I have a problem, with systems where they aren't seperate, if its used by more than one addon |
| 17:50.45 | clad|work | wow.. random comma usage, lol |
| 17:50.47 | Shirik | I completely agree |
| 17:50.55 | foxlit | I'd imagine you'd want them separated too. |
| 17:50.58 | foxlit | I just didn't bother :) |
| 17:51.03 | clad|work | heh |
| 17:51.07 | Shirik | For now, we only use Blizzard's events |
| 17:51.11 | Shirik | so BlizzEvent() literally has no purpose |
| 17:51.17 | Shirik | but out of habit it's there |
| 17:51.20 | clad|work | the problem is, an addon should NEVER EVER be able to trigger a Blizzard event for other addons. |
| 17:51.27 | Shirik | and we don't :) |
| 17:51.31 | clad|work | *nod* |
| 17:51.42 | clad|work | that's why we broek them out, and gave them different names |
| 17:51.52 | clad|work | it was a long fight, but I'm glad we did it =) |
| 17:51.52 | Shirik | VFLEvent:NamedBind() doesn't do anything except add a function to call when that event comes through |
| 17:51.56 | foxlit | I don't see a problem with using that for say debug :) |
| 17:52.10 | Shirik | for debugging what I do |
| 17:52.18 | clad|work | foxlit: If you're debugging. |
| 17:52.31 | Shirik | is something like /script RDXM.Gruul.Gruul.Debuff("You are afflicted by Cave In.") |
| 17:52.46 | clad|work | its not hard to do Dongle.frame:GetScript("OnEvent")("UNIT_AURA", "player") |
| 17:52.53 | Shirik | that too :P |
| 17:53.10 | foxlit | Too much typing :) |
| 17:53.29 | Shirik | btw foxlit, I only have one question for you about prism |
| 17:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, k |
| 17:53.33 | Shirik | other than that I am amazed :P |
| 17:53.47 | foxlit | shoot |
| 17:53.57 | Shirik | in the keys in the test file, you have d, e, and n |
| 17:54.06 | Shirik | which I understand to be |
| 17:54.40 | Shirik | n = modulus, d = private exponent, e = public exponent |
| 17:55.24 | Shirik | and... return Prism_Crypto.Verify(TestProper_Message, TestProper_Signature, Prism2048Key.e, Prism2048Key.n, true); |
| 17:55.28 | Shirik | so is that correct? |
| 17:55.41 | foxlit | Yep |
| 17:55.53 | Shirik | ok :) wewt |
| 17:56.09 | Shirik | any idea if it's going to take longer with larger messages? (noticably longer) |
| 17:56.29 | foxlit | Not significantly |
| 17:56.48 | foxlit | If anything, you're looking at performance of Prism_Crypto.Hash there, and that should actually be okay |
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| 17:57.33 | Mike-N-Go | I'm haveing a wired bug |
| 17:57.45 | zenzelezz | disconnect it |
| 17:58.02 | Mike-N-Go | And my toon is about to die, ok now, let me continue =] |
| 17:58.27 | Mike-N-Go | I am a hunter, when I fly to the Netherwing Ledge, my pet is dead. |
| 17:58.50 | Mike-N-Go | It was alive when I took off =/ |
| 17:59.00 | Mike-N-Go | At least, it eats mage-food.. |
| 17:59.49 | foxlit | Hm |
| 17:59.58 | foxlit | Maybe I shouldn't have run that. |
| 18:00.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.31 | zenzelezz | well this was a weird recruitment spam... "seeking holy priests [...]" |
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| 18:05.49 | clad|work | lol |
| 18:06.58 | TC-Working | why is that odd? |
| 18:07.33 | zenzelezz | "everyone" says priests should be shadow these days ;-) |
| 18:09.21 | Shirik | I don't :( |
| 18:09.27 | Shirik | I will kill myself if I have to go shadow |
| 18:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds painful |
| 18:10.24 | Shirik | well I do have improved death... |
| 18:10.32 | Shirik | killiing myself = free heals |
| 18:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:11.04 | Elkano | like the shamans agro reset ability? |
| 18:11.11 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 18:12.47 | foxlit | Shirik: about 0.15s to hash a 8192byte string |
| 18:12.51 | foxlit | It's not that bad |
| 18:12.54 | Shirik | that's good |
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| 18:14.56 | foxlit | Bad news is that part isn't coroutined |
| 18:15.09 | foxlit | So you'll freeze wow for as long as it takes |
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| 18:16.26 | Shirik | foxlit: If it's 0.15s |
| 18:16.30 | Shirik | meh |
| 18:16.40 | Shirik | is that only required in signing or verifying too? |
| 18:16.41 | Shirik | I think both |
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| 18:18.33 | foxlit | Yes, it's both |
| 18:19.27 | Shirik | however what I /am/ confused about is I keep getting "attempt to yield across a metamethod/C call boundary" |
| 18:19.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:19.56 | foxlit | Calling it with cr = true while not in a coroutine? |
| 18:20.09 | Shirik | I'll show you, but yes cr is true and afaict I am in a coroutine |
| 18:20.10 | MentalPower|Food | You cannot yield while a C function is in the stack. |
| 18:21.30 | MentalPower|Food | (or a metamethod like __index) |
| 18:21.30 | Shirik | I know that but there isn't/shouldn't be one |
| 18:21.30 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/52941 |
| 18:21.44 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 18:21.48 | foxlit | You don't need to pcall it |
| 18:21.48 | Shirik | can I yield across a pcall? |
| 18:21.49 | Shirik | probably not |
| 18:22.00 | Shirik | I don't? |
| 18:22.39 | foxlit | No |
| 18:22.46 | foxlit | Let the coroutine crash and handle it in the callback |
| 18:22.49 | MentalPower|Food | no |
| 18:22.57 | MentalPower|Food | pcall is yer problem |
| 18:23.05 | Shirik | foxlit: I can't just let it "crash" |
| 18:23.12 | MentalPower|Food | yes you can |
| 18:23.24 | MentalPower|Food | a coroutine is already pcalled |
| 18:23.32 | Shirik | but I need to unschedule |
| 18:23.41 | Shirik | therefore I need to know when the coroutine is about to exit |
| 18:24.57 | MentalPower|Food | wrap the resume call in a function, that will tell you when the coroutine is done |
| 18:25.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha |
| 18:25.10 | MentalPower|Food | or you can query the coroutine's status |
| 18:25.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | that mousepad i won in that irc contest thing came in today |
| 18:25.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 18:25.31 | Shirik | that seems so ugly though :/ |
| 18:25.38 | Shirik | checking to see if it's dead before resuming each time? |
| 18:25.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's....totally not worth the 20ish dollars they charge for it |
| 18:25.51 | foxlit | this: VFL.AdaptiveUnschedule(this_name); |
| 18:25.55 | foxlit | goes into callback |
| 18:26.13 | Shirik | but I'll never reach the callback if it errors |
| 18:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like a widescreen version of a freebie dell mousepad or something |
| 18:26.17 | foxlit | Though you swapped my scheduler :P |
| 18:26.21 | Shirik | yes ;) |
| 18:26.38 | Shirik | I'm trying to drop it and only use the crypto library, this is stuff that should be happening in the background >< |
| 18:28.57 | Shirik | okay so I did what MentalPower|Food recommended |
| 18:28.59 | Shirik | I still hate it >< |
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| 18:32.55 | foxlit | Makes sense to split scheduling and actual math :P |
| 18:33.44 | foxlit | Plus you broke my are-we-there-yet feedback mechanism! :( |
| 18:34.10 | foxlit | Wonder what it does in that case |
| 18:34.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:34.40 | foxlit | local function checkHalt(tl, ...) |
| 18:34.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.40 | Shirik | are-we-there-yet? |
| 18:34.41 | foxlit | end |
| 18:36.02 | foxlit | Allows scheduler to communicate how much time it wants the coroutine to spend |
| 18:36.42 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:36.49 | Shirik | is that why it's taking forever? |
| 18:37.10 | foxlit | Quite possibly, 0.025 is relatively conservative |
| 18:37.34 | Shirik | well I mean |
| 18:37.45 | Shirik | doing this: /script RDXM.Patcher.Verify({p=RDXPatches.patches[1], s=RDXPatches.signatures[1]}, function(r) VFL.print("Complete!"); VFL.print(tostring(r)) end) |
| 18:37.49 | Shirik | and... no callback :P |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | my fps dropped for the first maybe half second |
| 18:38.09 | Shirik | and then after that everything's back to normal |
| 18:38.13 | Shirik | but it appears it never returned |
| 18:38.24 | foxlit | The fps drop is the hash, probably |
| 18:38.49 | foxlit | As for why it doesn't return... |
| 18:39.05 | Kaydeethree | 2 pages of reserved posts, cog? |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik | hey it finally returned! |
| 18:39.57 | Shirik | that only took a year |
| 18:40.14 | foxlit | Plus, um, BigNum has its own ideas on when to yield |
| 18:41.21 | Shirik | =P |
| 18:41.21 | Shirik | maybe I'm going a bit over the top on waited time |
| 18:41.21 | Shirik | I was resuming every 0.5s |
| 18:41.21 | foxlit | Try doing the thing using Prism_Tasks! |
| 18:41.58 | Shirik | but I'm trying to do it in the background :/ |
| 18:42.10 | Shirik | and not distribute it with a "bloominator" floating around ^^ |
| 18:44.33 | foxlit | Fixed that, btw |
| 18:44.47 | Shirik | ah I get it |
| 18:44.52 | Shirik | I need to pass a value to coroutine.resume() ? |
| 18:45.02 | Shirik | the amount of time I want it to run? |
| 18:45.04 | foxlit | Optional, but would help |
| 18:45.16 | foxlit | And there's no guarantee it will respect that |
| 18:46.32 | foxlit | (the whole UI is removable, btw) |
| 18:46.36 | Shirik | but it's a recommendation |
| 18:48.00 | Shirik | so out of curiosity |
| 18:48.00 | Shirik | why name it prism? |
| 18:48.24 | Kaso | foxlit ive been meaning to ask actually, do you have some issue with tabs or something? |
| 18:48.37 | Kaso | was reading through prism, intenting made me cry! |
| 18:50.12 | Kaso | indenting |
| 18:50.33 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:50.37 | foxlit | Yes, notepad + tab length = silly |
| 18:50.45 | Shirik | lol notepad |
| 18:50.52 | |Jelly|zZz | lol Shirik |
| 18:51.06 | Kaso | Im a fan of nice 8 space tabs |
| 18:51.13 | Kaso | big and clear |
| 18:51.53 | foxlit | <Shirik> why name it prism? |
| 18:52.09 | foxlit | Dunno; a pretty random name |
| 18:52.25 | Kaso | i think it fits well |
| 18:52.54 | foxlit | I'm not sure if splitting spectrum is that relevant, but you could probably insert some bs about identifying sources. |
| 18:56.42 | foxlit | <Kaso> was reading through prism, intenting made me cry! |
| 18:56.57 | foxlit | cu still shows 0 downloads, where did you pull the code from? :) |
| 18:57.22 | Kaso | i got it from curse, they must just be not registering properly |
| 18:57.25 | foxlit | Hm, actually it just lags |
| 18:57.27 | foxlit | 22 |
| 18:57.54 | foxlit | That's 20 more than I know about! |
| 18:58.41 | Shirik | foxlit: I got it from curse too :P |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 18:58.50 | Shirik | it'll be interesting to see who else downloaded it |
| 18:58.59 | Shirik | "wtf is this crap you suck at author does nothing for me but lock up ui lol" |
| 18:59.08 | Shirik | I want to see comments :D |
| 18:59.23 | foxlit | There are none :P |
| 18:59.37 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. that's new... the forum software isn't throwing up the link interceptor page going to the wowi addon install guide |
| 18:59.48 | foxlit | Opening it in a new tab? |
| 18:59.52 | Kaydeethree | nope |
| 19:00.00 | TC-Working | link it |
| 19:00.06 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381215&sid=1#3 |
| 19:00.36 | Shirik | maybe they trust wowinterface :) |
| 19:00.59 | TC-Working | eh, i meant foxlit, but i can look at this as well :) |
| 19:01.02 | Shirik | all wowi links aren't going |
| 19:01.03 | Kaso | quickly now is the time to strike! redirect wowi to goatse! |
| 19:01.06 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:01.40 | Shirik | foxlit: I guess I'll break down and use your scheduler :P |
| 19:02.52 | Kaydeethree | heh, it did pop up clicking on the "latest downloads" link from my sticky, though |
| 19:03.21 | Kaydeethree | random |
| 19:04.26 | Shirik | dolby-wowi!! |
| 19:04.38 | Shirik | There appears to be a slight problem with the database T_T |
| 19:04.53 | Kaso | Shirik, i just got that too but it went after a refresh |
| 19:05.02 | Shirik | I got it 3 times in a row :( |
| 19:05.06 | Kaso | hmm |
| 19:05.10 | Cairenn | O |
| 19:05.15 | Cairenn | I've reported it too |
| 19:10.10 | Kaydeethree | you too? |
| 19:10.14 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a horrible, horrible person |
| 19:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108386180&sid=1&pageNo=2#25 |
| 19:11.34 | Maldivia | ~bad SB! |
| 19:11.45 | purl | Bad SB!, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 19:11.45 | Maldivia | hmm, without the tilde :) |
| 19:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you meant the tilde. |
| 19:12.05 | Kaydeethree | ahaha |
| 19:12.53 | cog|work | ? |
| 19:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever you do cog |
| 19:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't read up |
| 19:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I should have said "c-c-c-c-combo breaker!" instead |
| 19:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 19:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | OFF TOPIC YET AWESOME: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108233353&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 19:16.55 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 19:18.08 | krka | how is that off topic? |
| 19:18.17 | krka | on a forum about world of warcraft |
| 19:18.22 | cog|work | off topic from what we were talking about |
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| 19:22.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | there should be a dead fruit vendor somewhere or something |
| 19:22.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i demand closure |
| 19:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i must know the fate of this fruit vendor |
| 19:23.02 | Kaydeethree | watch it be part of the patch-before-3.0 patch events |
| 19:23.04 | foxlit | Life under eternal threat! |
| 19:23.33 | Shirik | foxlit: Is this a bug? |
| 19:23.38 | Shirik | RDXM.Patcher.Verify({p=RDXPatches.patches[1].." ", s=RDXPatches.signatures[1]}, function(r) VFL.print("Complete!"); VFL.print(tostring(r)); end) |
| 19:23.49 | Shirik | RDXPatches.signatures[1] is a valid signature for RDXPatches.patches[1] |
| 19:24.02 | Shirik | if I add a space to RDXPatches.patches[1], and use the same signature |
| 19:24.06 | Shirik | it still says it's valid |
| 19:24.28 | Shirik | I mean in the end it's ok for my purposes, but I don't know if it is for you |
| 19:24.40 | foxlit | It shouldn't do that |
| 19:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cog: hindsight and all that... but you probably should have turned your sig off on all of those posts (for asthetic reasons) |
| 19:25.17 | Shirik | and this is using your scheduler :P |
| 19:25.26 | foxlit | gief code |
| 19:25.37 | Shirik | for RDXM.Patcher.Verify? |
| 19:25.48 | foxlit | Well, signature + plaintext will do |
| 19:25.58 | foxlit | plus public key |
| 19:26.16 | Shirik | kk |
| 19:27.47 | TC-Working | is Sbo supposed to be ScytheBlade0? |
| 19:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | o = one |
| 19:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 19:28.36 | TC-Working | ah, is there a sbt? |
| 19:28.43 | Shirik | foxlit: This is the code and copy from my SavedVariables |
| 19:28.47 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/52977 |
| 19:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an alt of mine actually |
| 19:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Still not sure what I should do about three |
| 19:28.59 | TC-Working | heh |
| 19:29.34 | Shirik | If you want the private key I used to sign it I can give you that too, I intend to change the pair before I start distributing this anyway :P |
| 19:30.04 | foxlit | Nah, only need pub_key |
| 19:30.16 | Shirik | oh whoops |
| 19:30.17 | Shirik | forgot that, sorry |
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| 19:31.02 | Shirik | I overwrote that pastey |
| 19:31.09 | Shirik | it should have the public key now |
| 19:31.25 | Shirik | oh also a later line does pub_key.d = string.gsub(pub_key.d, "(..):", "%1"); |
| 19:31.32 | Shirik | I just kept the : in there to make it readable |
| 19:32.33 | foxlit | Tell you what |
| 19:32.46 | foxlit | Are you sure that your return value isn't actually the "coroutine exited okay" flag? |
| 19:33.42 | Shirik | I'm going to go eat now |
| 19:34.04 | Kaydeethree | ooh that's a good idea. wonder if I have any icecream left |
| 19:34.10 | Shirik | it was |
| 19:34.15 | foxlit | icecream :( |
| 19:35.00 | Shirik | it's nil now that I got the right return value |
| 19:35.00 | foxlit | purl, fetch icecream |
| 19:35.17 | foxlit | should be false |
| 19:35.17 | foxlit | not nil |
| 19:35.17 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:35.17 | Shirik | actually yeah it's nil always |
| 19:35.18 | foxlit | Since the return is a comparison operator on two strings |
| 19:35.18 | Shirik | RDXM.Patcher.Verify({p=RDXPatches.patches[1], s=RDXPatches.signatures[1]}, function(r,a) VFL.print("Complete!"); VFL.print(tostring(a)); end) |
| 19:35.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:35.30 | Shirik | it should be the second return value yeah? |
| 19:35.33 | Shirik | I see the issue |
| 19:35.37 | Shirik | I didn't return _VerifyPatch() |
| 19:35.38 | Shirik | just called it |
| 19:35.48 | foxlit | Basically, http://wowi.pastey.net/52990 |
| 19:36.01 | foxlit | That's a 512-bit key live sample of what you're doing |
| 19:36.12 | foxlit | Can run that outside CRs, it will give the correct results |
| 19:36.25 | TC-Working | interesting.... http://www.wowpage.ca/ |
| 19:36.49 | zenzelezz | Gruul is one ugly bastard |
| 19:37.08 | zenzelezz | and pretty scary the first time, when the rest of the guild knows the fight :-( |
| 19:37.13 | Kaydeethree | and with fairly pornographic grunting as of 2.1 |
| 19:37.25 | Kaydeethree | I've gotta mute vent now, it's rather annoying |
| 19:37.29 | foxlit | So basically something goes wrong with coroutine handling if you aren't getting the return values :) |
| 19:37.32 | Shirik | thank you foxlit |
| 19:37.40 | Shirik | I was being a moron, I got it |
| 19:37.49 | TC-Working | wowpage seems to be rather handy at that |
| 19:37.58 | foxlit | Hey, it's complicated, and I didn't exactly provide great examples :) |
| 19:38.12 | Shirik | wowwiki goes to google? |
| 19:38.21 | foxlit | cause internal search sucked |
| 19:38.23 | TC-Working | their search engine is |
| 19:38.27 | foxlit | I guess |
| 19:38.32 | TC-Working | s/is/does/ |
| 19:40.05 | zenzelezz | I'm sitting here staring at Gruul... [...] whispers: pls uldaman |
| 19:40.17 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:41.49 | Shirik | btw foxlit I do have a real bug, but since I don't really use your UI for anything but signing it doesn't matter for me :P |
| 19:41.53 | Shirik | when I go over 4 tasks |
| 19:41.58 | Shirik | you can scroll down |
| 19:42.03 | Shirik | but all of the bars remain at full |
| 19:42.09 | Shirik | even if they're still executing |
| 19:47.43 | TC-Working | does the armory not show an item that hasent been found on any server? |
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| 19:51.57 | amro | TC-Working: probably, it would be stupid if it did show em |
| 19:54.54 | Gryphen | there is a whitelist |
| 19:55.14 | foxlit | Hm, that's interesting |
| 19:55.15 | TC-Working | but i want to see http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32237#z0z in all it's glory |
| 19:55.30 | Kaso | indeed, sometimes high end drops arent on armory, which then prevents players who have that item's profile from working |
| 19:55.59 | foxlit | They should just use signed item ids! |
| 19:56.32 | foxlit | If the data is there, they could verify and fetch directly; if it isn't, you can't datamine it |
| 19:56.32 | TC-Working | besides, they should link the weapons to the ppl that have them |
| 19:56.41 | Shirik | foxlit: lol |
| 19:57.49 | Gryphen | [13:29:25] <|Pixel|> because the whitelist isn't updated to prevent people from datamining and discover "in dev" items |
| 19:58.29 | Kaso | foxlit, did you say you would like the HSV-RGB-HSV code earlier? i cant remeber who it was |
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| 19:59.29 | foxlit | I wouldn't mind it |
| 20:00.09 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/52681 thats the code, along with my function to make rainbow text strings at the bottom |
| 20:00.18 | foxlit | I needed it at some point, but I used an rgb randomize instead |
| 20:00.35 | Kaso | i just implemented some algorithm i found on google in lua. |
| 20:16.37 | TC-Working | wow dreanor just took their trash out to the general forums http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108205891&sid=1 |
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| 20:23.31 | Shirik|Fooding | huh |
| 20:23.34 | Shirik|Fooding | paradox quit |
| 20:23.35 | Shirik|Fooding | wonder why |
| 20:27.26 | TS|Skrom | what's the most SOLID backdrop file i.e. 100% opacity. Or as a side question can you change the opacity on backdrops |
| 20:29.18 | cog|work | TS|Skrom: you can only make them more transparent. As for your first question, i don't know |
| 20:30.08 | TS|Skrom | oh okay. I managed to make a fake scrolling dropdown box just like I wanted, but the backdrop I was using is a little too transparent and you can see the text underneath which makes it hard to real what's in the box lol |
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| 20:39.44 | TS|Skrom | can you rotate a texture? |
| 20:40.06 | TS|Skrom | like if I wanted to use point UI-ChatIcon-ScrollDown-Up to the right? |
| 20:41.29 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 20:41.41 | TS|Skrom | haha I was just reading that XD |
| 20:42.44 | Shirik|Fooding | matrix multiplication ftw |
| 20:42.54 | Lunessa | |Jelly| referring to people from the great nation of Texas, "We really are a bunch of %#!!##%s." |
| 20:42.54 | Shirik|Fooding | and seriously |
| 20:42.54 | Shirik|Fooding | now food time |
| 20:43.16 | cog|work | Shirik|Fooding: see my reply 1st |
| 20:43.32 | Shirik|Fooding | :( |
| 20:43.37 | Shirik|Fooding | I blame it on the lack of food |
| 20:44.11 | TS|Skrom | if I could just find a stronger black background I wouldn't even be worried about it >< |
| 20:44.47 | Shirik|Fooding | btw cog|work |
| 20:44.51 | Shirik|Fooding | you totally didn't get the first two pages :P |
| 20:44.58 | Shirik|Fooding | (if you want me to delete I can) |
| 20:45.03 | cog|work | i noticed :P |
| 20:45.10 | cog|work | nah... don't worry about it... |
| 20:45.19 | cog|work | if it gets stickied, I'm sure slouken will take care of it >< |
| 20:47.00 | Shirik|Fooding | Codayus |
| 20:47.02 | Shirik|Fooding | cog|work* |
| 20:47.15 | Shirik|Fooding | I don't know why I thought 19+20 = 29... |
| 20:47.23 | Shirik|Fooding | it's more like you thought 9 + 20 = 39 |
| 20:48.06 | cog|work | no, 'cause i got to 29 and then stopped... |
| 20:48.30 | cog|work | i was like "ok... there's another 20" |
| 20:48.30 | Shirik|Fooding | oh I thought you posted 9 times and then said "There, now there's room for 38 pages of macros" |
| 20:49.03 | cog|work | 2 pages = 40 posts... after maldivia and someone else who deleted, that went down to 48 :P |
| 20:49.17 | cog|work | aoesuthaoesuth |
| 20:49.19 | cog|work | 38* |
| 20:52.00 | Lunessa | Holy cow Cog... you've been BUSY |
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| 20:53.42 | Shirik|Fooding | he's a gnome |
| 20:53.44 | Shirik|Fooding | it's what he does |
| 20:54.04 | Lunessa | No kidding. I feel special, I made the credits. |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik|Fooding | Disable() is now protected in combat :( |
| 20:54.12 | Lunessa | It's my big Hollywood moment! |
| 20:54.43 | cog|work | ;) |
| 20:55.19 | cog|work | woops... forgot lealla & aella |
| 20:55.48 | cog|work | Basically all the people who gang up on idiots who don't read the FAQ >< |
| 20:56.06 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 20:56.20 | Shirik|Fooding | o.o I'm in the credits too apparently |
| 20:56.25 | cog|work | I miss Shouryyu (or however it's spelled) |
| 20:56.35 | Shirik|Fooding | and now |
| 20:56.41 | Shirik|Fooding | that cog|work has successfully distracted me for an hour |
| 20:56.42 | Lunessa | ZOMG... Cog: p.s. typing on a Wii takes a really long time... :P |
| 20:56.42 | cog|work | food? |
| 20:56.44 | Shirik|Fooding | I will really go eat |
| 20:56.56 | cog|work | >< |
| 20:57.07 | Shirik|Fooding | and then log on from IRC from the cafeteria |
| 20:57.09 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 20:58.52 | TS|Skrom | Cog, how long were you gonna sit there laughing at me before suggesting I just make my own 32x32 deep black tga and use it instead? |
| 20:59.10 | cog|work | Ha! |
| 20:59.16 | Lunessa | ... I was going to wait a long time. :P |
| 20:59.16 | cog|work | probably never would've thought of it >< |
| 20:59.24 | cog|work | I'm very tired today... |
| 20:59.29 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 21:00.06 | Lunessa | for any time you need a background 100% opaque, best to use a graphic, rather then setting the opacity to 100%. |
| 21:00.07 | cog|work | I was up 'till 1 working on http://wowi.pastey.net/53055 |
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| 21:01.13 | TS|Skrom | now for the time in every addons life of mine where I actually release it, only to find out a week later that there were already 5 addons that did the same damn thing |
| 21:02.30 | Lunessa | lol - I haven't released anything. Someone here has usually a) done it first, b) done it better. |
| 21:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, nice @ compilepost |
| 21:03.21 | Lunessa | Wow. You wrote all that in LUA... I'd have hacked it in PERL and faked it. :P |
| 21:03.36 | cog|work | It's really nice to be able to write posts in Dreamweaver :) |
| 21:04.04 | Lunessa | *nod* If my copy wasn't oooo... 7 years old... |
| 21:04.05 | cog|work | makes it easy to convert it to wiki format (which I did: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro) |
| 21:04.20 | TS|Skrom | I've released 2 so far of 4 i've made, 1 got real good reception, the other which was mainly just a mod I made because I wanted to learn how to do it and happened to be something I was interested in (efficient healing) got jeered by a certain subset because it was "just like" Quickheal... even though it had quite a few differences |
| 21:04.37 | krka | Lua is not an acronym |
| 21:04.49 | cog|work | Lunessa: I bet nVu would work fine... it just has to output well-formed XHTML and use the supported tags |
| 21:05.09 | cog|work | oh, and I'm MUCH more familiar with Lua than I am with Perl :P |
| 21:05.45 | cog|work | the actual xml parsing bits I got off of lua-users.org. Then I just had to add the rendering and file handling stuff |
| 21:06.45 | pastamancer | so you did end up using an xml parser? :) |
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| 21:06.46 | cog|work | yep. thanks for the idea :) |
| 21:06.46 | cog|work | made it very flexible. It could easily be adapted to any simple markup for output |
| 21:07.07 | pastamancer | it the source somewhere? |
| 21:07.28 | pastamancer | oh, now I have to scroll up |
| 21:07.47 | cog|work | or svn://eternalblue.dnsalias.net/cogwheel/docs/trunk |
| 21:08.30 | cog|work | I'm sure I could do things a bit more cleanly, but it works :) |
| 21:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 21:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I have yet to take down your SVN repo |
| 21:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure it's sitting there functional still |
| 21:09.03 | krka | i try to live by the rule "shorter code is better code" instead of keeping things clean |
| 21:09.09 | krka | it's an easier goal to achieve |
| 21:09.11 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: hehe |
| 21:09.19 | krka | and most of the time it's the same |
| 21:12.02 | cog|work | Yeah... Sometimes I like to go back through and clean things up if it makes it more maintainable. But I built in enough flexibility that I shouldn't have to modify the rendering code itself any time soon |
| 21:12.05 | Lunessa | Now if only some of the responses to the sticky could be deleted to a) shorten it, b) clean up goof ball stuff... |
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| 21:25.35 | Lunessa | I hate downloading an AddOn for a feature I want, and then being completely unable to make it work. |
| 21:27.48 | Josh_Borke | ok back :-) |
| 21:27.50 | Josh_Borke | hi all :-) |
| 21:28.24 | Lunessa | wb |
| 21:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, time for the noob to be educated. (me) |
| 21:28.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the only way to check if something is in a table to loop over the table? |
| 21:28.52 | |Jelly| | Hey Josh |
| 21:29.06 | Josh_Borke | ScytheBlade1: as a key or as a value? |
| 21:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Value |
| 21:29.16 | Josh_Borke | as a key, no. as a value, yes |
| 21:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay |
| 21:29.32 | Josh_Borke | one option is to have a table that is in reverse |
| 21:29.39 | Josh_Borke | which can be achieved with a metatable |
| 21:31.02 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... [17:29:30] You receive loot: [Netherwing Egg]. [17:30:17] You receive loot: [Netherwing Egg] |
| 21:31.06 | TC-Working | Lunessa, slap it around and make it work |
| 21:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o @ Kaydeethree |
| 21:31.49 | Kaydeethree | no one checks the murkblood area of the mines |
| 21:31.51 | Lunessa | TC-Working I'm going to have to open up the code since the menu made zero sense and the addon didn't appear to do what I thought it did. :P |
| 21:32.01 | snurre | i got the last 3 i needed for exalted withing 4 mins :p |
| 21:32.16 | TC-Working | Lunessa, i said slap it...not massage it... |
| 21:32.28 | Kaydeethree | I've been slacking, should've been exalted last week |
| 21:32.39 | Kaydeethree | I'm 15/21k atm, got a few quests and 2 eggs to turn in, though |
| 21:32.40 | Lunessa | TC-Working Ok, I deleted it. Slapped hard enough? |
| 21:33.02 | TC-Working | Lunessa, heh, maybe just a tad to hard |
| 21:35.05 | TC-Working | is it possible to have an arena match a draw? |
| 21:35.21 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 21:35.36 | Kaydeethree | if they both die at the same time (<0.5s or so) it'll call a draw |
| 21:36.04 | TC-Working | thanks |
| 21:36.12 | Josh_Borke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 21:36.12 | purl | stuffs cladhaire into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 21:36.18 | Josh_Borke | hit them while they are down, that's what i always say |
| 21:36.24 | cladhaire | k |
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| 21:40.32 | TC-Working | damit, i want to hit 70 |
| 21:40.43 | Kaso | Whats stopping you? |
| 21:40.43 | |Jelly| | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Simplystupid -- Is his name ironic considering he got keylogged? |
| 21:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:40.51 | TC-Working | lack of free time |
| 21:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|, you play on doomhammer? |
| 21:41.05 | |Jelly| | no |
| 21:41.16 | cladhaire | Anyone have experience with real scroll frames? |
| 21:42.53 | TC-Working | what is it with arena teams and retarded names |
| 21:45.21 | cog|work | Is it just me or does Medivh sound like Kuno from Ranma 1/2? |
| 21:46.11 | Kaydeethree | sub/dub? |
| 21:46.12 | Lunessa | cog|work - Been too long since I watched the show. Mostly to me he just sounds deranged. |
| 21:46.27 | cog|work | dub |
| 21:46.38 | Kaydeethree | dunno, all I've ever gotten a hold of is the sub |
| 21:46.57 | cog|work | heh. my wife has the entire tv series |
| 21:46.57 | cog|work | on dvd |
| 21:47.28 | Kaydeethree | I'd say something snarky before looking at my bookshelf full of ranma manga |
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| 21:49.06 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: Enough to know they suck |
| 21:49.21 | Shirik|Ecole | what are you considering it for? |
| 21:49.29 | cladhaire | nothing, i fixed it |
| 21:49.31 | cladhaire | now the question is |
| 21:49.36 | Shirik|Ecole | heh ok ^^ |
| 21:49.38 | cladhaire | what frames can have OnHyperlinkClicked? |
| 21:50.31 | Kaso | cladhaire is that perhaps the random anonymus frames that hover around the chatlinks in ChatFrames? |
| 21:50.34 | Shirik|Ecole | SimpleHTML and ScrollingMessageFrame according to wowwiki |
| 21:50.46 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: hrm.. I tried to set it on a SimpleHTML frame |
| 21:50.48 | cladhaire | and it yelled |
| 21:50.50 | cladhaire | maybe i did the wrong one |
| 21:50.51 | cladhaire | brb =) |
| 21:51.04 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: you did it wrong |
| 21:51.19 | cladhaire | no, I did it on my SimpleHTML frame |
| 21:51.19 | cladhaire | =( |
| 21:51.19 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 21:51.20 | Josh_Borke | SimpleHTML has hyperlinks |
| 21:51.22 | Shirik|Ecole | it may have changed |
| 21:51.23 | Josh_Borke | i use them |
| 21:51.35 | Shirik|Ecole | and it may have not :P |
| 21:51.47 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 21:51.49 | cladhaire | let me look |
| 21:51.57 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: A common problem I have is doing table:SetScript() instead of something like table.titleBar:SetScript() |
| 21:51.58 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: does GuilDbook still work? |
| 21:52.00 | Shirik|Ecole | perhaps that's what you did? |
| 21:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. IsConjured() would be much too simple. |
| 21:52.08 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: nope |
| 21:52.09 | Shirik|Ecole | (table being a frame, table.titleBar being another frame) |
| 21:52.19 | cladhaire | i'm getting the "doesnt have OnHyperlinkClicked" message |
| 21:52.27 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah, because, for example |
| 21:52.27 | kergoth | Josh_Borke, seems to, though i havent used it all that much lately myself, been tracking my gear plans in loottracker :P but my brother's been using it (he's using my addon set too) |
| 21:52.33 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:52.36 | TC-Working | just noticed the "upgrade an item" portion of armory...very nice |
| 21:52.44 | Shirik|Ecole | table is a frame, and table.titleBar is a SimpleHTML with parent of "table" |
| 21:52.51 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: i haven't done it with lua frames, mine is an XML frame |
| 21:52.51 | cladhaire | ah |
| 21:52.51 | cladhaire | spelled it wrong |
| 21:52.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:52.56 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 21:52.57 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:53.01 | Josh_Borke | ~noob cladhaire |
| 21:53.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart cladhaire |
| 21:53.33 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on cladhaire |
| 21:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke, no no, that's wrong. It's ~cladhaire-- |
| 21:53.48 | Josh_Borke | purl, cladhaire-- |
| 21:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma cladhaire |
| 21:53.54 | purl | cladhaire has karma of 1 |
| 21:53.58 | Shirik|Ecole | ouch |
| 21:53.59 | cladhaire | your karma does not affect me |
| 21:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, you have to ~ it |
| 21:54.08 | Josh_Borke | purl, cladhaire-- |
| 21:54.12 | Josh_Borke | ~karma cladhaire |
| 21:54.12 | purl | cladhaire has neutral karma |
| 21:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Or not |
| 21:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 21:54.24 | cladhaire | i'll kick all yall bitches |
| 21:54.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ~ is the same as purl, |
| 21:54.32 | Shirik|Ecole | except with one difference |
| 21:54.39 | Josh_Borke | purl, cladhaire-- |
| 21:54.39 | Shirik|Ecole | doing purl, for something invalid will result in purl yellingback |
| 21:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:54.48 | Shirik|Ecole | doing ~ with something invalid will just result in purl ignoring you |
| 21:54.51 | Josh_Borke | :P |
| 21:54.58 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, do something that doesn't exist |
| 21:55.00 | purl | ACTION does something that doesn't exist. |
| 21:55.02 | cladhaire | ooh i get to try my bluetooth headset with my raid tonight |
| 21:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 21:55.04 | Shirik|Ecole | .. |
| 21:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Owned |
| 21:55.08 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, opijwefepaw |
| 21:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Owned owned owned. |
| 21:55.09 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:55.18 | Shirik|Ecole | bleh, I give up |
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| 21:55.31 | Josh_Borke | purl, Shirik|Ecole-- |
| 21:55.36 | Shirik|Ecole | it's ok |
| 21:55.40 | seebs_ | I just had to log in to pass on the coolest thing ever. |
| 21:55.40 | Shirik|Ecole | my karma is already way in the red |
| 21:55.47 | seebs_ | I learned Lua to write addons. |
| 21:56.05 | seebs_ | I just got a job, and I just found out we have a real need for Lua expertise and no one else in the department knows any. |
| 21:56.10 | Shirik|Ecole | nice |
| 21:56.13 | Josh_Borke | woot! |
| 21:56.17 | seebs_ | My WoW account has just paid for itself. |
| 21:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, grats |
| 21:56.34 | cladhaire | seebs: nice =) |
| 21:56.45 | Shirik|Ecole | now cladhaire expects a commission |
| 21:56.49 | cladhaire | word |
| 21:56.51 | Shirik|Ecole | as payment for all the help given in the past |
| 21:57.04 | seebs_ | Heh. Ask me again in a couple of paychecks. |
| 21:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lua has kinda exploded within the past year or so, hasn't it? |
| 21:57.27 | Shirik|Ecole | it has |
| 21:57.34 | |Jelly| | True/False: Repair cost is determined off the Item Level versus Cloth-Leather-Mail-Plate ? |
| 21:57.38 | Shirik|Ecole | (and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard had a part in it) |
| 21:57.42 | Josh_Borke | true |
| 21:57.46 | Lunessa | true |
| 21:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | All repair costs were normalized to be identical to cloth several patches back |
| 21:58.12 | |Jelly| | Awesome. Thank you. |
| 21:58.22 | Josh_Borke | cause paladins and warriors bitched |
| 21:58.28 | |Jelly| | (Get tired of people telling me "STFU...you're cloth...your repair is like 2g") |
| 21:58.29 | Josh_Borke | all a bunch of whiners |
| 21:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Warriors I can understand |
| 21:58.37 | Shirik|Ecole | woah wait |
| 21:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Paladins have only ever whined. Ever. |
| 21:58.40 | Shirik|Ecole | it costs the same |
| 21:58.41 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 21:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:58.46 | Josh_Borke | not true! |
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| 21:58.54 | Josh_Borke | i didn't whine when um... |
| 21:58.56 | Josh_Borke | um... |
| 21:58.56 | Shirik|Ecole | huh |
| 21:59.00 | Josh_Borke | ok, yea, always whined |
| 21:59.01 | Josh_Borke | carry on |
| 21:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 21:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Josh_Borke++ |
| 21:59.09 | |Jelly| | I whine when we wipe because of stupid people. |
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| 21:59.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I whine just because other people whine and I like to play along :P |
| 21:59.19 | Josh_Borke | you such a sheep shirik |
| 21:59.24 | Shirik|Ecole | a sheep? |
| 21:59.30 | Shirik|Ecole | please don't tell multani that |
| 21:59.31 | Josh_Borke | follower? |
| 21:59.32 | Shirik|Ecole | he might get excited |
| 21:59.33 | Kaydeethree | baa |
| 21:59.38 | Shirik|Ecole | ~sheep |
| 21:59.41 | purl | sheep is probably at #tuxboxproject |
| 21:59.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 21:59.45 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf? |
| 21:59.47 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | purl covers many more channels than this one ;) |
| 22:00.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I know but |
| 22:00.07 | Shirik|Ecole | that was so unexpected >< |
| 22:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | purl actually is one process and I think four seperate nicks on freenode |
| 22:00.35 | purl | okay, ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Running on a 350MHz PII, actually. That's why it gets laggy at times |
| 22:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, no, 300MHz |
| 22:00.43 | Shirik|Ecole | that channel's empty... |
| 22:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, forget actually |
| 22:00.53 | purl | ScytheBlade1: i forgot actually |
| 22:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 22:00.58 | purl | ScytheBlade1: :) |
| 22:01.06 | Josh_Borke | bah, where's cide when you need him |
| 22:01.11 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 22:01.14 | Shirik|Ecole | good job ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks |
| 22:01.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Josh_Borke: I am a slower alternative to Cide |
| 22:02.06 | Josh_Borke | > t = {"1", "2", [3] = nil, "4", "5"}; print(#t); t[5] = nil; print(#t) |
| 22:02.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Josh_Borke: 4 |
| 22:02.26 | Shirik|Ecole | 4 |
| 22:02.51 | Josh_Borke | interesting |
| 22:03.02 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: don't bank on any of that |
| 22:03.06 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 22:03.08 | Shirik|Ecole | that's technically undefined |
| 22:03.13 | cog|work | lua's behavior is undefined if you have nils in an array |
| 22:03.28 | foxlit | I've heard that before! |
| 22:03.37 | Josh_Borke | it's not undefined, it's not guaranteed to be something useful |
| 22:03.48 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 22:03.51 | cog|work | foxlit: zomgwhere?! |
| 22:03.53 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:03.56 | foxlit | zomghere! |
| 22:04.01 | Shirik|Ecole | the same array can generate multiple reslts |
| 22:04.04 | foxlit | Like a few days ago! |
| 22:04.05 | Shirik|Ecole | depending on how it was made |
| 22:04.13 | cog|work | s/h/wh/ |
| 22:04.22 | cog|work | err... nm |
| 22:04.30 | cog|work | i can't think straight |
| 22:04.35 | foxlit | cog|work meant: foxlit: zomgwwhere?! |
| 22:05.21 | foxlit | You said the exact same thing when I asked a similar question a few days ago |
| 22:05.23 | foxlit | ~logs |
| 22:05.37 | purl | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:05.37 | Josh_Borke | > t = {"1", "2", [3] = nil, "4", "5"}; print(table.getn(t)); t[5] = nil; print(table.getn(t)) |
| 22:05.56 | Nerinia | same result: 4, 4 |
| 22:05.58 | Shirik|Ecole | Josh_Borke same |
| 22:06.08 | Shirik|Ecole | also, table.getn is deprecated |
| 22:06.15 | Josh_Borke | i know shirik |
| 22:06.22 | Josh_Borke | Nerinia: i'm trying to determine the path through the code |
| 22:06.25 | Shirik|Ecole | just telling you what my interpreter said :P |
| 22:06.28 | Josh_Borke | it's easier when i remove objects myself |
| 22:06.51 | Josh_Borke | oh wait, i'm reading the code wrong |
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| 22:08.09 | Shirik|Ecole | 1. LIGHT BULBS MATTER – Switch from traditional incandescent lightbulbs to compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFL). If every American household replaced one regular lightbulb with a CFL, the pollution reduction would be equivalent to removing one million cars from the road. A 30-watt CFL produces about as much light as an ordinary 100-watt bulb. Although the initial price is higher, CFLs can last 12 times as long. CFLs are available at most home-impr |
| 22:08.13 | Shirik|Ecole | interesting |
| 22:08.42 | cog|work | available at moste home-impr |
| 22:09.02 | Shirik|Ecole | improvement stores and bulbs.com |
| 22:09.08 | Josh_Borke | god how i love C |
| 22:09.11 | Josh_Borke | purl, love C |
| 22:09.15 | purl | If you love C so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 22:09.15 | Nerinia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.15 | cog|work | Which is worse? a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere, or a lot of mercury in the ground water? |
| 22:09.21 | Lunessa | I like CFLs. They last forever, and therefore cost me less to buy. |
| 22:09.24 | cog|work | Me? I'll take the global warming... |
| 22:09.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Nerinia: Welcome to undefined behavior |
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| 22:09.43 | Shirik|Ecole | it's because it's converting table types |
| 22:09.47 | Shirik|Ecole | the 2 applies to keys 1 and 2 |
| 22:09.51 | Shirik|Ecole | the 5 becomes part of the hash table |
| 22:10.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Lua allocates arrays in powers of 2 |
| 22:10.05 | Nerinia | and 3 is nil? |
| 22:10.07 | Josh_Borke | it converts the arrays? |
| 22:10.12 | Shirik|Ecole | removing 3 and 4 allows it to go down to 2^1 |
| 22:10.36 | Nerinia | bah, that's confusing |
| 22:10.40 | Shirik|Ecole | removing 3 doesn't help because 4 can still be taken by 2^2 |
| 22:10.45 | Shirik|Ecole | or for that matter, 2^3 |
| 22:10.54 | Josh_Borke | t = {[1]="1", [2]="2", [4]="4", [5]="5" [8]="8"}; print(#t); t[4] = nil; print(#t) |
| 22:10.58 | Shirik|Ecole | and this is why they call it undefined :P |
| 22:11.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Josh_Borke: stdin:1: '}' expected near '[' |
| 22:11.25 | Josh_Borke | forgot a comma |
| 22:11.33 | Josh_Borke | t = {[1]="1", [2]="2", [4]="4", [5]="5", [8]="8"}; print(#t); t[4] = nil; print(#t) |
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| 22:11.42 | Shirik|Ecole | > t = {[1]="1", [2]="2", [4]="4", [5]="5", [8]="8"}; print(#t); t[4] = nil; pri |
| 22:11.42 | Shirik|Ecole | nt(#t) |
| 22:11.43 | Shirik|Ecole | 8 |
| 22:11.43 | Shirik|Ecole | 2 |
| 22:11.49 | Josh_Borke | what now biatch :-P |
| 22:11.58 | Shirik|Ecole | 2^3 = 8 |
| 22:12.09 | cog|work | CFLs may be more costly than you think: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55213 |
| 22:12.12 | Josh_Borke | i know, but we didn't remove the 8! :-D |
| 22:12.16 | Shirik|Ecole | right, but |
| 22:12.21 | Guillotine | whoa, thats wierd. On the armory, each class has an index. For some reason they skipped 6. Conspiracy? Most definately |
| 22:12.22 | Shirik|Ecole | it's easier to do 2^1 and then hash 5 and 8 |
| 22:12.30 | Shirik|Ecole | than it is to do 2^3 |
| 22:13.14 | Shirik|Ecole | but, again, you can't really rely on all of this |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik|Ecole | Lua gets to decide a lot of this on its own |
| 22:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I really don't get why they do such extensive user-agent checking |
| 22:13.23 | Shirik|Ecole | and it may not be consistent |
| 22:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If I set my seamonkey on linux to be Opera on Vista |
| 22:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It works flawlessly |
| 22:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Otherwise, the tooltips refuse to load, and I can't click anything. :/ |
| 22:14.39 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|Ecole: i'm trying to follow the logic in the code, but i'm not sure where it converts the 5 and 8 to hash values |
| 22:16.08 | Shirik|Ecole | it's difficult to say |
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| 22:16.08 | TC-Working | hmmm...anyone have an idea on the UI....DUF/DART? http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/xArrow/WoWScrnShot_020107_181549.jpg |
| 22:16.11 | Shirik|Ecole | it's when Lua decides it's easier |
| 22:16.11 | Shirik|Ecole | that's about it |
| 22:16.33 | Josh_Borke | TC-Working: how can you stand those frames? |
| 22:16.42 | TC-Working | i dunno, it's not mine |
| 22:16.46 | Shirik|Ecole | but I'm not kidding about the powers of 2: http://wowi.pastey.net/53126 |
| 22:17.11 | TC-Working | i dont want them, but someone was asking, so i thought i would give him a hand and ask around |
| 22:17.13 | Josh_Borke | no, i knew you were right |
| 22:19.17 | foxlit | Less gcing and more signing! |
| 22:19.35 | Shirik|Ecole | at school :P |
| 22:19.44 | Shirik|Ecole | well, cafeteria |
| 22:19.47 | Josh_Borke | > t = {[1]="1", [2]="2", [4]="4", [5]="5", [7]="7", [8]="8"}; print(#t); t[4] = nil; print(#t) |
| 22:20.09 | Shirik|Ecole | 8, 2 |
| 22:20.33 | Shirik|Ecole | my guess is that |
| 22:20.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ooh storm... this is gonna suck |
| 22:20.33 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway |
| 22:20.43 | Shirik|Ecole | my guess is this: lua keeps looking through the table until it finds a nil |
| 22:20.47 | Shirik|Ecole | then it looks until the next power of 2 |
| 22:20.53 | Shirik|Ecole | if it doesn't find anything before that, it gives up |
| 22:21.02 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's just a guess, nothing more |
| 22:21.08 | Shirik|Ecole | and technically the behavior is undefined |
| 22:21.20 | Josh_Borke | i know the behavior is undefined :-) |
| 22:21.24 | Shirik|Ecole | meaning other interpreters (Kaso's?) could be different |
| 22:21.45 | Kaso | what? |
| 22:21.51 | Shirik|Ecole | or was it krka? |
| 22:21.58 | Shirik|Ecole | One of you was making a java interpretr |
| 22:21.58 | Kaso | i think.. |
| 22:22.05 | Shirik|Ecole | You both start with K I can't remember you two |
| 22:22.06 | Kaso | not i |
| 22:22.10 | Kaso | haha |
| 22:22.13 | Shirik|Ecole | then it was krka |
| 22:22.28 | Josh_Borke | C arrays start at 0, right? |
| 22:22.36 | Shirik|Ecole | uhh |
| 22:22.42 | Shirik|Ecole | that's a bad question to answer :P |
| 22:22.46 | Shirik|Ecole | direct answer, yes |
| 22:22.51 | Shirik|Ecole | correct answer: It's a memory offset |
| 22:22.56 | Josh_Borke | yea, i know |
| 22:23.01 | Shirik|Ecole | a two dimensional array can still be accessed with one number |
| 22:23.06 | Josh_Borke | but the array physically starts at &array + index |
| 22:23.09 | Shirik|Ecole | x[2][2] is identical to x[4] |
| 22:23.17 | Shirik|Ecole | for a 2x2 array |
| 22:23.23 | Shirik|Ecole | but yes |
| 22:23.39 | Shirik|Ecole | the first element in an array will be array[0] |
| 22:25.29 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 22:25.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I tink |
| 22:25.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm going to go homne before this storm gets really ugly |
| 22:25.43 | Shirik|Ecole | it looks pretty crappy outside right now |
| 22:28.48 | TC-Working | hmm..interesting art at the bottom http://www.invasion-music.com/images/SozinUI.jpg |
| 22:34.16 | Lunessa | That art was originally created for the 'Fairy Tale UI' - found on http://www.discordmods.com/ - it's since been copied/cribbed/stolen for all kinds of other packages. :) |
| 22:36.24 | TC-Working | the first link or the second one? |
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| 22:39.52 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108236491&postId=1080874508&sid=1#0 |
| 22:42.53 | TC-Working | ckknight, interestingly enough in the pic, it looks like ag has the text on their own seperate texture |
| 22:43.31 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 22:43.35 | Shirik | reading tech support forums |
| 22:43.44 | Shirik | this guy posts a tracert and then gets mad because blizz can't help him |
| 22:43.45 | Shirik | so he says |
| 22:44.05 | Shirik | one more time im going to ask. because i wont be home until u leave the blizz office, why cant i sign something for u to log onto my network to get the info u need to fix the latency issue |
| 22:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:44.31 | Lunessa | lol |
| 22:44.42 | |Jelly| | oh em ge |
| 22:44.45 | Lunessa | uninformed, willful ignorance FTL |
| 22:44.49 | Shirik | because we know that |
| 22:44.53 | Shirik | if he can't figure out what a router is |
| 22:45.12 | Shirik | he TOTALLY can set up a VNC login for the blizzard guys |
| 22:45.24 | TC-Working | or RDP |
| 22:45.25 | Shirik | or SSH for that matter |
| 22:45.27 | Shirik | or RDP |
| 22:45.48 | ckknight | TC-Working: you can select whatever texture you want in both UFs. |
| 22:46.29 | TC-Working | i know, it's just interesting to note that they seem to have an extra floating texture under the text |
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| 22:54.40 | Lunessa | ZOMG - so wrong, so funny: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/308349637.html |
| 22:55.04 | ckknight | you didn't know about that? |
| 22:55.10 | ckknight | there's one with a pic of her |
| 22:55.41 | Lunessa | I'm so out of the loop on WoW Hussies apparently. |
| 22:56.10 | Kaydeethree | the followup's been posted too |
| 22:56.10 | trik | ahahaha |
| 22:56.17 | Lunessa | I mean, 5kg is what? A week or so of grinding ogres in nagrand? |
| 22:57.55 | trik | a week? |
| 22:58.04 | trik | seriously? |
| 22:58.13 | trik | how do you get that much in a week? |
| 22:58.40 | trik | just by grinding ogres in nagrand..how? |
| 22:58.41 | Lunessa | On my warlock, to get the 900 I needed for my normal flyer, I ground out 700g in 8 hours. |
| 22:59.01 | trik | is there something that they drop that is valuable? |
| 22:59.20 | Lunessa | They drop decent coin, netherweave, greens, and blues. |
| 22:59.43 | Lunessa | and rep turn-in items that pay cash. |
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| 23:03.17 | Lunessa | Now, ask me why I don't have my Epic flyer... |
| 23:03.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | Via #wowwiki - <[NewsBot]> MMO Champion: 2.1.2 PTR Patch released. - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=275.0 |
| 23:05.36 | cog|work | ... |
| 23:05.45 | cog|work | link to blizzard post or it didn't happen |
| 23:05.56 | Kirkburn|sleep | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/06/ptr-patch-2-1-2-tonight/ ? |
| 23:06.26 | cog|work | via worldofraids... |
| 23:06.39 | cog|work | also without official link |
| 23:07.34 | Kirkburn|sleep | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/108236503.htm |
| 23:07.36 | Kirkburn|sleep | Sheesh |
| 23:07.42 | Kirkburn|sleep | Someone's cynical today |
| 23:08.25 | TC-Working | i thought they already fixed "Players can no longer fail with skinning at maximum skill." |
| 23:08.46 | cog|work | I just find it funny that none of those places linked to the source... |
| 23:09.13 | Kirkburn|sleep | 2.1.0 - Gathering skills no longer fail when you have reached the maximum skill possible. |
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| 23:09.23 | Kirkburn|sleep | I guess skinning was forgotten |
| 23:09.33 | TC-Working | i guess so |
| 23:09.48 | Kirkburn|sleep | Anyway, sleep |
| 23:09.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | Taraa |
| 23:09.56 | TC-Working | night Kirkburn|sleep |
| 23:09.57 | Kaso | Finally http://www.wowhead.com/?item=7349 arent needed! |
| 23:10.25 | Kaydeethree | ya, the ptr downloader is up, at least |
| 23:10.36 | Kaydeethree | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/WoW-2.1.1.6739-to-0.1.2.6757-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 23:11.36 | cog|work | This download is not authorized |
| 23:11.36 | Shirik | " |
| 23:11.36 | Shirik | # Fixed bug with Misdirection where sometimes only two attacks were redirected instead of three. |
| 23:11.39 | Shirik | thank god >.> |
| 23:11.48 | Shirik | that was annoying |
| 23:13.03 | subbawt | lol |
| 23:13.07 | cog|work | Players can no longer fail with skinning at maximum skill. Wasn't that supposed to be in 2.1.0? |
| 23:13.30 | Shirik | # PvP Trinkets: Insignia of the Alliance, Insignia of the Horde, Medallion of the Alliance, and Medallion of the Horde have all been redesigned. The trinkets for all classes now have the same effect: Dispels all movement impairing effects and all effects which cause loss of control of your character. |
| 23:13.32 | Shirik | that's interesting too |
| 23:13.33 | subbawt | Hey where's the boss going? Hunter has died. |
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| 23:14.09 | Kaydeethree | ah, there has been a blue post for the 2.1.2 patchnotes |
| 23:14.23 | Shirik | The door leading to the Celestial Watch in Karazhan now starts open, |
| 23:14.23 | Shirik | and Netherspite does not path so close to the door. |
| 23:14.24 | Shirik | YES! |
| 23:14.29 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108236503&sid=1 |
| 23:14.40 | Kaydeethree | thank the gods |
| 23:14.45 | Kaydeethree | not like we do netherspite any more anyway |
| 23:14.54 | Shirik | you have to get lucky on netherspite |
| 23:14.58 | Shirik | open the door at the right time |
| 23:15.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:15.05 | Kaydeethree | detect demon |
| 23:15.08 | Kaydeethree | lock or potion |
| 23:15.23 | Shirik | because hunters aren't good enough for that |
| 23:15.25 | Shirik | I see how it is |
| 23:16.13 | Josh_Borke | what's a huntard? |
| 23:16.29 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: most posters on the General forum |
| 23:17.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:21.14 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 23:21.18 | Kaydeethree | they've retuned the illidan fight |
| 23:21.20 | Kaydeethree | hahaha |
| 23:21.47 | Josh_Borke | guess it wasn't hard enough |
| 23:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, where is Cide when you need him :/ |
| 23:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of a way to bring up CTRA options without the minimap icon? |
| 23:30.24 | Josh_Borke | /ctra ? |
| 23:30.25 | Corrodias | not i |
| 23:30.33 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 23:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 |
| 23:31.52 | Shirik | anyone want to hear my logic for syncing patches and tell me if I missed anything? |
| 23:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd love to personally, as I was trying to think of a way to do that myself recently |
| 23:32.22 | Karrion|Away | Shirik: shoot |
| 23:32.55 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/53160 |
| 23:33.52 | Shirik | (each patch is given a numerical identifier, which will also be chronological) |
| 23:34.05 | Shirik | and they will be loaded in that order |
| 23:34.16 | Corrodias | i'll load your mom in that order |
| 23:34.30 | Karrion | you have a way to ensure ID uniqueness? |
| 23:34.38 | Corrodias | is flighthud done yet? *poke poke* |
| 23:34.40 | Shirik | I will be the only one creating patches |
| 23:34.42 | Shirik | (and cidan) |
| 23:35.11 | Shirik | Other users couldn't possibly write valid patches (they can't digitally sign them with my key) so there's no need to worry about conflicts |
| 23:36.16 | Karrion | hmm, seems fine, albeit a little bandwidth intensive on logon |
| 23:36.30 | Corrodias | we're so going to murder the curator tonight |
| 23:36.32 | Shirik | that's the only thing I'm slightly concerned about |
| 23:36.35 | Corrodias | his sparkly ass is mine |
| 23:36.43 | Shirik | but the transmission will probably be something like "1 4 6 39 304 2003" |
| 23:36.47 | Karrion | I wonder if you could just broadcast each client's maximum patch number, since they're monotonically incremented |
| 23:37.01 | Shirik | yeah but you can't guarantee that each client has all patches below that |
| 23:37.10 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:37.12 | Shirik | or can you |
| 23:37.14 | Josh_Borke | ugh, patching seems like such an awful thing |
| 23:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Are patches cumulative, or can you tell the clients that this patch makes all previous patches useless? |
| 23:37.31 | Shirik | local minPatch = 0;-- Skip patch #s below this (these were included with current release) |
| 23:37.43 | Shirik | so when I make a new release, I'll pull that up so it will skip those patches |
| 23:37.46 | Karrion | no but you could then iterate over the ones that exist but you don't have and ask if anyone has it |
| 23:37.47 | Shirik | and won't run them |
| 23:38.13 | Shirik | Karrion: actually you're onto something, considering it's impossible to get a later patch before an earlier patch |
| 23:38.18 | Shirik | how can you get patch 300 without getting patch 299? |
| 23:38.32 | Shirik | so you're right |
| 23:38.37 | Shirik | I only have to broadcast the max number |
| 23:39.16 | Shirik | also I think |
| 23:39.19 | Shirik | when I request a patch |
| 23:39.34 | Shirik | I should do it over a whisper maybe? |
| 23:39.44 | Shirik | so I don't have 10 people responding to the same request |
| 23:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No.. guild |
| 23:39.57 | ScytheBlade1 | First person to reply gets a "send" |
| 23:40.02 | Karrion | yeah I'd use whisper for the actual peer to peer xfer |
| 23:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Next people get a "Got it anyways" |
| 23:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, for the xfer whisper |
| 23:40.15 | Karrion | and just use the shared channel for the discovery broadcasts |
| 23:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But request over guild/raid |
| 23:40.21 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:40.21 | Lunessa | I'd also use guild, and only ask for 'highest patch' number. |
| 23:40.39 | Shirik | but |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | the benefit of using guild for transfer |
| 23:40.48 | Shirik | is if multiple people need the same patch |
| 23:40.52 | Shirik | you don't have to retransmit |
| 23:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Until only one person needs it |
| 23:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's needlessly sent to everyone |
| 23:42.08 | Karrion | true, but since it's asked for on login, the chances are each one will request separately anyway |
| 23:42.20 | Karrion | with the exception of the initial release |
| 23:42.51 | Shirik | right the initial release is really what I'm thinking of |
| 23:43.37 | Karrion | I guess it's a balance question then |
| 23:43.37 | foxlit | pack SKU -> pack patch |
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| 23:43.39 | Karrion | how often how have a new patch, how many people are typically online at the time, and how many people come online later to ask for it |
| 23:43.58 | foxlit | superseed it |
| 23:44.09 | foxlit | Though there's no integrity check on pieces, which kind of sucks. |
| 23:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Time it then |
| 23:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw a date check on it |
| 23:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | If >1 day old, PM |
| 23:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | If <1 day, guild |
| 23:44.57 | foxlit | PrismComm does something like: |
| 23:45.05 | foxlit | Join channel. Announce addons + versions. |
| 23:45.22 | foxlit | If people have versions above yours, they respond. |
| 23:45.30 | Karrion | or make a flag in you own copy which says "when I send it, broadcast" and make the receiver able to receive on both |
| 23:45.31 | foxlit | If people have versions under yours, they ask for pieces. |
| 23:45.47 | foxlit | Output queue round-robins sending pieces of patches to interested parties |
| 23:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's another idea |
| 23:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Count the people who respond vs. those who don't |
| 23:46.14 | foxlit | Tbh, implement BitTorrent |
| 23:46.18 | TC-Working | i get that with some mods i have...it's iritating as hell |
| 23:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 23:46.20 | foxlit | (mwhahaha!) |
| 23:46.21 | Kaydeethree | ahaha |
| 23:46.27 | Karrion | hehe |
| 23:46.28 | TC-Working | especialy the popup crap |
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| 23:46.43 | foxlit | Update, dammit! |
| 23:46.51 | foxlit | Annoying popup goes away if you do. |
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| 23:47.34 | TC-Working | heh, i would prefer a whisper |
| 23:48.35 | Shirik | that's the other thing I'm worrying about |
| 23:48.42 | Shirik | do I do a popup? Do I just install behind the scenes? |
| 23:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Behind the scenes, please |
| 23:49.48 | Shirik | Some people would be mad that I don't ask to install, and some would be mad that they're getting popups |
| 23:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe a line in the chat box once you've updated all the way, nothing more |
| 23:49.48 | Karrion | your should probably notify in chat |
| 23:49.48 | Shirik | well, what I really mean |
| 23:49.49 | Shirik | should there be a confirmation required |
| 23:49.49 | Guillotine | nerf the armory going down while I'm trying to work on my addon :( |
| 23:49.49 | Guillotine | btw, it works perfectly :D and doesn't use much memory |
| 23:49.49 | Karrion | but a full confirmation potentially when anyone logs on would get irritating |
| 23:49.49 | Shirik | right |
| 23:49.49 | Guillotine | but I'm trying to make the scanner recursive so I get more people |
| 23:49.51 | foxlit | Shirik: "Update available. ReloadUI to apply?" |
| 23:49.59 | Shirik | what if I don't want to apply? :P |
| 23:50.05 | Lunessa | Shirik - What do you do in the case of failure? |
| 23:50.06 | foxlit | Don't |
| 23:50.21 | foxlit | swarm performance > individual problems |
| 23:50.45 | Shirik | Lunessa: In the event that a signature doesn't match, it ignores the transmission (and makes a debug message). In the event that a patch causes lua errors, they are pcalled() so they get a warning at login, requesting to contact the developer about the problem |
| 23:51.07 | Lunessa | We are RDX.CID of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. |
| 23:51.12 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:51.45 | Shirik | yeah I totally just copy-pasted that to guild |
| 23:51.55 | Karrion | Shirik: does it make sense to be able to decline a patch? |
| 23:52.08 | Shirik | it makes sense in the fact that some people don't like not being able to |
| 23:52.19 | Shirik | people are stupid, they don't like not being in control |
| 23:52.24 | Lunessa | When in doubt, give the user an option. |
| 23:52.28 | foxlit | Screw them, silent updates! |
| 23:52.36 | foxlit | Never know what hit them. |
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| 23:53.06 | Lunessa | Hey... All I know is if I was using RDX.CID and it 'patched' without my ok, I'd stop using it, even if it meant I never got to raid again. |
| 23:53.30 | |Jelly| | *cough* Mazzlegasm |
| 23:53.30 | Karrion | yeah, but the implications of not applying it are potential incompatibility |
| 23:53.38 | Osagasu | Isn't RDX that commercial raiding software? |
| 23:53.39 | Lunessa | I don't like apps doing things that write files without my knowledge. |
| 23:53.39 | Karrion | ie brakage |
| 23:54.02 | Shirik | Osagasu: this is why I need to change the naem -_- |
| 23:54.05 | Shirik | s/naem/name/ |
| 23:54.36 | Shirik | RDX.Cid is an almost-completely-rewritten version of the freely released RDX5, written by Veni |
| 23:54.37 | foxlit | Lunessa: meh? |
| 23:54.52 | Shirik | he had written it for team Rambo. When we broke off of team rambo, we started using our own in-house version |
| 23:55.01 | Shirik | from there it expanded |
| 23:55.03 | Lunessa | foxlit call me paranoid. |
| 23:55.05 | Karrion | you could always do a "RDX.CID patch 123 has been received, type /rdx patchdisable 123 to unload"? |
| 23:55.18 | foxlit | That's not paranoid, that's silly |
| 23:55.22 | foxlit | You've downloaded an addon |
| 23:55.34 | foxlit | That assumes you trust the author enough to run code you didn't inspect. |
| 23:55.36 | Lunessa | And it shouldn't change without my consent |
| 23:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa, I disagree. Likewise, here's the answer |
| 23:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Give them an option. |
| 23:56.01 | Karrion | hell, just have a config option "install patches yes, no, ask" |
| 23:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Apply updates automatically, or ask. |
| 23:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 23:56.17 | foxlit | But basically, the position is silly :) |
| 23:56.36 | Lunessa | So is your assumption that I should have no say. |
| 23:56.44 | Shirik | I didn't mean to make this an argument :( |
| 23:56.45 | Lunessa | :p |
| 23:56.49 | foxlit | I did! |
| 23:56.59 | foxlit | You trust author -> author pushes patch -> ? |
| 23:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No. My position is that if you harass the user, they'll get sick of crap they don't care for and ditch it. |
| 23:57.06 | |Jelly| | Me too otherwise I wouldn't have dropped the name. But it didn't work. 8( |
| 23:57.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I ditched xperl (though I never really *liked* it). Whenever a guildie got online, it would spam me with "go download updates!" |
| 23:58.05 | Lunessa | I'm an iconoclast. And fox is deliberately pushing me on an area where we disagree. Debate is healthy. |
| 23:58.18 | Shirik | ~dict iconoclast |
| 23:58.34 | Shirik | wtf |
| 23:58.45 | Shirik | they have a synonym starting with like every letter of the alphabet |
| 23:58.49 | Shirik | ~dict 2 iconoclast |
| 23:59.00 | Shirik | that's better |
| 23:59.05 | Lunessa | much closer. |
| 23:59.18 | foxlit | That doesn't fit! |
| 23:59.26 | foxlit | "You no update my addons without asking me" is a traditional idea |
| 23:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So is "you don't bug me" |
| 23:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 23:59.51 | Lunessa | lol |
