| 00:00.04 | Corrodias | oh? :( |
| 00:01.22 | Tuller | Corrodias: but it was due to how i setup hiding empty buttons |
| 00:01.50 | Tuller | there's a bit of a difference between the timings of the stateheader updating and the events being called which screws things up |
| 00:02.20 | Fin | BODMAS! that was it! |
| 00:02.29 | Fin | oof took a bit of searching, must be a UK thing |
| 00:02.45 | Fin | Brackets, Of, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction |
| 00:03.05 | Tuller | Fin: I didn't know there was one for precedence :) |
| 00:03.11 | Corrodias | i don't suppose SecurePartyHeaderTemplate is any good for figuring out when pets become active/inactive? |
| 00:03.31 | Shirik | SecureRaidPetHeader :) |
| 00:03.31 | Tuller | Corrodias: true :) |
| 00:03.31 | Shirik | and SecurePartyPetHeader :) |
| 00:03.51 | Tuller | Corrodias: frame:SetAttribute("unit", "pet"); RegisterUnitWatch(frame) |
| 00:04.02 | Fin | Tuller: that's the one my maths teacher taught me :) I always use parens though, as you can see I can't remember shit most of the time |
| 00:04.36 | Fin | (of = "powers of" incidentally) |
| 00:04.53 | Corrodias | it's -very nearly- worth it to me to write a pet bar, but 1) that would take work on my part and 2) maybe blizzard will fix it SOME day |
| 00:05.25 | Tuller | Corrodias: you have to use the blizzard pet buttons, too :) |
| 00:05.39 | Tuller | Corrodias: or you'll lose the ability to toggle autocast |
| 00:05.42 | Corrodias | i don't know what that implies |
| 00:05.48 | Tuller | though they might have fixed that |
| 00:14.59 | Fin | Corrodias: so, you're lazy, and mad, basically :P |
| 00:15.22 | Corrodias | even more lazy than mad, yes |
| 00:15.46 | Corrodias | it's only a minor irritation to me as i keep autocast on and use keys to direct my pet anyway |
| 00:15.57 | Corrodias | then i can hit a macro to show the bar once i exit combat |
| 00:16.39 | Corrodias | what worries me more is, for example, the chess event. do you enter combat? i know you do in BWL's first boss, or i think you do anyway |
| 00:17.07 | Fin | my laziness is a towering fortress manned by invincible gargoyle demons who channel magic to create an frictionless spherical barrier around for thousands of kilometres into space |
| 00:18.14 | Fin | as an aside |
| 00:18.54 | Corrodias | i'll perform repetetive tasks to obtain meaningless loot, but ask me to think and i must laugh |
| 00:38.07 | zenzelezz | is there any way to detemine the dispell type of a friendly buff obtained through UnitBuff()? |
| 00:39.47 | zenzelezz | other than tooltip parsing |
| 00:39.58 | MentalPower|Work | you mean magic vs. disease vs. poison etc? |
| 00:40.20 | MentalPower|Work | theres a function, the standard UI uses it to color the border of the debuffs |
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| 00:46.12 | zenzelezz | the player's buff frame uses GetPlayerBuffDispelType() I believe, and the target frame only gets it from UnitDebuff()'s dispell type return value... I didn't find any for UnitBuff()'s returns :-| |
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| 01:31.08 | Fin | does anyone know a function to reset the sound? |
| 01:32.45 | Shirik | I'm missing something stupid again: http://wowi.pastey.net/51085 |
| 01:33.03 | Shirik | results in |
| 01:33.03 | Shirik | Interface\AddOns\RDXM_Logistics\RDXM_Logistics.lua:956: invalid order function for sorting |
| 01:33.21 | Kaso | Fin, i'd recommend checking the FrameXML to see how the optitions frame sets the sound. |
| 01:34.14 | Fin | Kaso: thanks |
| 01:34.28 | Kaso | options i meant ofc |
| 01:35.07 | Shirik | any thoughts? :( |
| 01:35.55 | nymbia | Shirik: looks right.. |
| 01:36.27 | Fin | yes, Shirik |
| 01:37.19 | Kaso | does table.sort run in a protected environment ? could an error in the sort function be causing it to give the "invalid order function for sorting" error? |
| 01:37.30 | Shirik | that's what I'm wondering |
| 01:38.54 | nymbia | set up the function locally and give it a run manually |
| 01:39.09 | Shirik | and now it works |
| 01:39.10 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:39.13 | Shirik | I didn't even change anything!! |
| 01:39.15 | nymbia | no reason to make a new closure every time you run a sort, anyway ;) |
| 01:39.21 | Shirik | I didn't even reload ui! |
| 01:39.44 | Shirik | yeah probably |
| 01:39.50 | Shirik | I probably need to change that anyway |
| 01:39.56 | Shirik | that assumes the version number is X.X.X |
| 01:39.57 | Shirik | which it isn't |
| 01:40.19 | Shirik | it can technically be anything |
| 01:40.22 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i've had table.sort go wonky on me with perfectly valid sort functions |
| 01:41.19 | Shirik | the manual doesn't make any mention of it running in protected mode |
| 01:45.36 | Shirik | Kaso: |
| 01:45.59 | Kaso | that is my name. |
| 01:46.01 | Shirik | > table.sort({1,2,3}, function() error("Rawr") end) |
| 01:46.02 | Shirik | stdin:1: Rawr |
| 01:46.02 | Shirik | stack traceback: |
| 01:46.05 | Shirik | which would imply no :/ |
| 01:47.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | somehow my daily quests got reset |
| 01:47.44 | Kaso | I guess your problem was just "One of those things"(tm) |
| 01:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder if it has anything to do with it using the local time of 4 am and not the server time |
| 01:48.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it uses time zone too |
| 01:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | if so i think i just totally halfway accidentally exploited daily quests :O |
| 01:50.14 | Fin | The sort algorithm is not stable; that is, elements considered equal by the given order may have their relative positions changed by the sort. |
| 01:50.21 | Fin | huh |
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| 01:50.35 | Shirik | that means |
| 01:50.45 | Fin | Shirik: my guess is that you need to put "return true" at the end |
| 01:50.45 | Shirik | basically, the function always has to return true or false, right? |
| 01:50.51 | Fin | or false, sorry |
| 01:50.57 | Shirik | which basically indicates whether or not it needs to swap positions |
| 01:51.07 | Shirik | if they are equal, however, |
| 01:51.12 | Shirik | you still have to return a true or false |
| 01:51.18 | Fin | yes |
| 01:51.28 | Shirik | the order in which these tests are made is not stable, which means a consecutive pass could cause a different order to result |
| 01:51.42 | Fin | I'm just guessing that whatever checks to see if the comp() function is valid might trip up if there's not a return false at the end |
| 01:51.58 | Shirik | Fin: It returns false if it doesn't return true |
| 01:51.59 | Shirik | reread it |
| 01:52.03 | Fin | (the thing about the algorithm not being stable I only pasted for interest :) |
| 01:52.04 | Shirik | else return false; end |
| 01:52.12 | Fin | I do see that |
| 01:52.16 | Fin | I have read it :) |
| 01:52.19 | Shirik | oh I thought the "huh" meant what does that mean :P |
| 01:52.19 | Fin | [03:54:00] < Fin> I'm just guessing that whatever checks to see if the comp() function is valid might trip up if there's not a return false at the end |
| 01:52.33 | Fin | + outside of an if / else |
| 01:52.43 | Shirik | that would be a stupid way to check it, imho |
| 01:52.46 | Shirik | but possible |
| 01:53.00 | Shirik | if I did it I would run the function, and if neither false nor true were returned |
| 01:53.03 | Shirik | then throw the error |
| 01:53.46 | Fin | it's probably wrong; it's just that most uses of user defined sort functions I've seen always just return whatever the comparison operator returns rather than an explicit true or false |
| 01:54.41 | Shirik | yeah not really something I can do here :( |
| 01:54.59 | Fin | no, I can see that, which is why I was suggesting adding return true to the end |
| 01:55.00 | Shirik | if they're equal I need a fallback |
| 01:55.05 | Shirik | yeh |
| 01:55.19 | Fin | like I said, I'm probably wrong |
| 01:55.29 | zenzelezz | yay for reaching first boss in heroic Slave Pens only to find out one of the party members was saved |
| 01:55.31 | Shirik | I have nothing to argue that you're wrong :P |
| 01:55.32 | Fin | but *something* is saying "invalid function" |
| 01:55.48 | Fin | well, you could argue that it doesn't sound particularly likely :) which is fair enough |
| 01:56.20 | Fin | d'oh, I keep dying cos I'm fiddling with addons :) |
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| 01:56.42 | Fin | however! I have managed to actually get Bagnon to load without errors! progress |
| 01:56.54 | Fin | s/errors/errors caused by my fiddling/ |
| 01:57.31 | Fin | think I'll actually play the game a bit now |
| 02:01.51 | Shirik | 22:01:50 ‹rici› yes, the error is triggered when the order function returns inconsistent results |
| 02:01.53 | Shirik | for those that care |
| 02:02.09 | Shirik | When both d1 and d2 are not tables, the function can be inconsistent |
| 02:27.34 | Nom- | hallo |
| 02:27.51 | Nom- | Anyone seen a downtime notice while logging in today? :0 |
| 02:28.00 | Fin | there were some notices about downtime for a few EU servers |
| 02:28.15 | Fin | no ETA, no reason given, standard Blizzard customer service |
| 02:28.30 | Nom- | Yep, you gotta love it :( |
| 02:29.01 | Nom- | I love it how every week the downtime notice says "See the Realm Status forums for more information" |
| 02:29.01 | Fin | pff |
| 02:29.02 | Nom- | and every week there's nothing in there |
| 02:29.07 | Fin | PS: this is a lie |
| 02:29.53 | Nom- | Occasionally I find something in the CS Forums |
| 02:29.55 | Nom- | But not often |
| 02:30.09 | Fin | it's just to throw us off |
| 02:30.13 | Fin | so that we have to check every time |
| 02:36.16 | Thunder_Child | ~cheer Thunder_Child |
| 02:36.27 | purl | ACTION cheers Thunder_Child on |
| 02:36.27 | Thunder_Child | i got my hacking wow book |
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| 02:49.43 | Thunder_Child | now i just need to learn how to use it |
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| 02:56.08 | Corrodias | hmm. i really don't want to take my hunter on MC raids to start the rhok quest |
| 02:56.18 | Corrodias | i don't suppose there's any other way to start it? |
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| 03:14.54 | zenzelezz | aren't there better bows in BC? |
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| 03:51.26 | Shirik | so RDXM_Gruul forgot to unbind events |
| 03:51.31 | Shirik | so turning it off and on 10 times per raid |
| 03:51.35 | Shirik | pre* |
| 03:51.41 | Shirik | results in every growth counting as 10 growths |
| 03:51.56 | Shirik | and 10 timer bars |
| 03:51.58 | Shirik | awesomeness |
| 03:52.00 | Kaydeethree | oh I bet jaws were dropping when that was announced in /rw |
| 03:52.11 | Shirik | oh the MT was like "I can't see my screen anymore shirik!!" |
| 03:52.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:52.28 | |Jelly| | Who bought Clad's book? *raises hand* |
| 03:52.36 | Shirik | waiting for it to come in but *raises hand* |
| 03:52.55 | |Jelly| | I spent $10 extra dollars on Instant Gradification |
| 03:53.10 | Shirik | I went to Barnes and Noble and they were like "lol wtf is that crap" |
| 03:53.19 | Shirik | then I was like "lol? You order now rawr" |
| 03:53.24 | |Jelly| | I went in wearing my old Geek Squad shirt...it worked out for me. |
| 03:53.34 | Shirik | hey I was in geek squad :D |
| 03:53.39 | zenzelezz | for some reason I always associate "Barnes" with the stage manager now |
| 03:53.42 | |Jelly| | Really? Wow. |
| 03:53.45 | zenzelezz | On with the show! |
| 03:53.45 | Shirik | store 273 |
| 03:53.54 | |Jelly| | 55 4tw! |
| 03:54.07 | |Jelly| | (Like how I pretend I care? That's how I survived there...) |
| 03:55.36 | Thrae | You bought Clad's book? Then buy my book! |
| 03:55.41 | |Jelly| | I doubt that's going to get you a copy too, Josh. 8P |
| 03:55.54 | Cairenn | Thrae: you have a book? |
| 03:55.59 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: lol |
| 03:56.28 | JoshBorke | but that might ;-) |
| 03:56.30 | Thrae | Hacking World of Warcraft -- Who is the WhoMod? By Matt & Josh |
| 04:00.31 | Thunder_Child | how do i recover a pw for a nick...mine stoped working for some reason |
| 04:00.33 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 04:00.44 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.22 | Thunder_Child | didnt seem to find it there |
| 04:02.27 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: "RECOVER[Wowfreenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- RECOVER Kill another user who has taken your nick |
| 04:02.36 | Thrae | 08:04 [Wowfreenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- RELEASE Regain custody of your nick after RECOVER |
| 04:02.40 | Thunder_Child | needs a pw for that |
| 04:02.48 | Thunder_Child | my pw doesnt seem to work anymore |
| 04:02.49 | Thrae | Ohhh |
| 04:03.39 | Kaydeethree | bah. freenode doesn't associate an email with a nick at registration. I'm not sure nicks can be recovered using this rather old version of Services |
| 04:03.39 | Shirik | oops |
| 04:03.47 | Shirik | well |
| 04:03.49 | Shirik | wait |
| 04:03.54 | Shirik | why can't you just /ns ghost |
| 04:04.05 | Shirik | and why doesn't your password work? |
| 04:04.12 | Kaydeethree | or check /ns help set password |
| 04:04.33 | Thrae | Kaydeethree: You need the password to change the password. |
| 04:04.33 | Kaydeethree | bah, that won't work either |
| 04:04.43 | Thunder_Child | i have no idea why it wont work |
| 04:04.46 | Shirik | well why don't you have the password? |
| 04:04.54 | Shirik | and what nick are you talking about? |
| 04:04.59 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it's the same one i have been using for months |
| 04:05.01 | Thunder_Child | this on |
| 04:05.02 | Thunder_Child | e |
| 04:05.15 | Shirik | you can contact ircops and ask wtf is going on |
| 04:05.15 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Go to #help and get an ircop |
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| 04:05.21 | Shirik | they have a policy where someone can take over your nick |
| 04:05.27 | Shirik | but you have to have not used it for 30 days |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik | which you don't fall into |
| 04:05.34 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:05.35 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 04:05.37 | Thunder_Child | will do |
| 04:05.37 | Thrae | Shirik: Or if you drop it |
| 04:05.40 | Shirik | ya |
| 04:05.44 | Shirik | I meant forcibly :P |
| 04:10.40 | Thunder_Child | bah, it seems i have to wait out the 60 days |
| 04:11.58 | Shirik | :( why? |
| 04:12.54 | Thunder_Child | thats what i was told |
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| 04:13.24 | Thunder_Child | (nalioth) Thunder_Child: i suggest you look in your logs for it |
| 04:13.24 | Thunder_Child | (21:07:33) (nalioth) there is no way to recover it, Thunder_Child |
| 04:13.24 | Thunder_Child | (21:08:01) (Thunder_Child) then how would i go about killing it and starting over? |
| 04:13.24 | Thunder_Child | (21:08:25) (nalioth) Thunder_Child: you'll have to wait for 60 days of non use to pass |
| 04:14.39 | Kaydeethree | are you keeping logs? ns says you logged in 24 hours ago |
| 04:15.05 | Thunder_Child | yea, i have logs |
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| 04:28.14 | Corrodias | my hunter's at level 44.5. i wonder if i can get him to 60 in two weeks, and i highly doubt it. |
| 04:28.14 | Corrodias | not with instance tanking and karazhan raids in there anyway |
| 04:28.14 | Corrodias | and work |
| 04:28.18 | |Jelly| | Shouldn't be a problem really, at all. |
| 04:28.25 | |Jelly| | Joana to the rescue! |
| 04:33.57 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, pong |
| 04:35.09 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: mind if i commit a fix to coolDown to fix the double timers when zoning? |
| 04:38.45 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, how would you fix that? |
| 04:41.00 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: i iterate over the state table checking for the existence of the current texture |
| 04:41.39 | JoshBorke | for _, tbl in pairs(coolDown.State) do if tbl[4][texture] then return end end |
| 04:42.12 | JoshBorke | in coolDownState.lua, just before table.insert in local function insert |
| 04:42.18 | wereHamster | is it safe to rely only on the texture? |
| 04:43.03 | JoshBorke | you could check type also, but start and duration are going to be slightly off |
| 04:44.05 | wereHamster | duration not, but start changes at PEW.. :( |
| 04:44.15 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: i've been running the code forever and it works fine |
| 04:44.24 | wereHamster | did you replace the whole for loop in insert() with your loop? |
| 04:44.32 | JoshBorke | no |
| 04:44.35 | JoshBorke | it's after the loop |
| 04:45.05 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 04:47.21 | Shirik | so... anyone want to take a look at the gruul RDX window and make suggestions? |
| 04:47.54 | zenzelezz | needs more Shatter |
| 04:48.24 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, if it fixes the problem, then almost anything is good :) |
| 04:48.39 | Shirik | wereHamster: #dongle :P |
| 04:48.42 | wereHamster | can someone please tell JoshBorke when he comes back? I have to leave now |
| 04:49.08 | Shirik | gruul window, right side: http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gruuluikp0.jpg |
| 04:49.28 | Kirkburn|sleep | And here's a Son of Gruul - http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eeeewfo2.jpg |
| 04:50.10 | Kirkburn|sleep | Shirik, bloody hell, where's the actual scenery? |
| 04:50.19 | Shirik | as I've said millions of times I like information overload :P |
| 04:50.30 | Shirik | be happy I don't have dteventtrace up too |
| 04:50.30 | Kirkburn|sleep | You sure do ^^ |
| 04:50.37 | Shirik | I usually have that up to debug stuff during fights |
| 04:50.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | You don't even have a UF addon :O |
| 04:50.54 | Shirik | nope |
| 04:51.04 | Shirik | though I should probably turn off party frames |
| 04:51.07 | Shirik | which RDX can do |
| 04:51.09 | Shirik | I just never did |
| 04:51.15 | |Jelly| | You should probably...omG! YOU HAVE KLH! |
| 04:51.23 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 04:51.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | But then again, you appear to be raid leader, so you need lots of info |
| 04:51.29 | Shirik | it's a requirement for raid |
| 04:51.43 | Kirkburn|sleep | If you're raid leader, change the req :P |
| 04:52.07 | Shirik | eh |
| 04:52.13 | Shirik | I'm not the only leader |
| 04:52.21 | Shirik | look at my unit frame and note the lack of master loot |
| 04:52.42 | Shirik | Nellah and I work together, but... I agree with him KTM is probably a benefit for everyone |
| 04:52.45 | Shirik | it can't hurt |
| 04:52.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | I wouldn't know what ML looked like if it bit me on the ass |
| 04:53.07 | Kirkburn|sleep | >_> |
| 04:53.11 | zenzelezz | it can hurt... your performance |
| 04:53.14 | Shirik | it's a little bag icon :P |
| 04:53.17 | Shirik | zenzelezz: true |
| 04:53.35 | Shirik | If I ever feel like it, RDX will have its own threat meter |
| 04:53.40 | Shirik | but there are higher priorities for now |
| 04:53.42 | Kirkburn|sleep | 18fps, not bad for middle of a raid fight |
| 04:53.49 | Shirik | 18fps sucks :( |
| 04:53.55 | Shirik | I wasn't using the adaptive scheduler for the gruul window |
| 04:53.57 | Shirik | I should have |
| 04:53.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | Try playing on my PC ... |
| 04:54.10 | Shirik | the gruul window updates at a static 0.2 seconds |
| 04:54.13 | zenzelezz | I saw talk of a new threat meter addon the other day, that aimed to not suck like KLH |
| 04:54.16 | Shirik | instead of an adaptive 0.2 seconds that I'd want :( |
| 04:54.20 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Yes, but it's ace |
| 04:54.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | My *max* in Shattrath is 18 fps |
| 04:54.39 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 04:54.41 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I'm willing to accept that if it uses a more sane approach to the rest |
| 04:54.49 | Shirik | from what I have read about it |
| 04:54.50 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 04:54.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | It's all those damn glowy effects, and Adal especially |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik | but this is just what I've been told |
| 04:55.12 | Shirik | I haven't read it myself |
| 04:55.36 | Kirkburn|sleep | Back on Azeroth I can reach 30 ... howerver, I've now decided that to reduce my view distance to the min, and now everywhere looks like it's a misty day. Quite cool actually. |
| 04:56.04 | Kirkburn|sleep | Especially seeing Shattrath shrouded in fog early morning. They should add more fog effects! |
| 04:56.10 | Shirik | |Jelly|: what do you think of that screenshot? |
| 04:56.21 | |Jelly| | I think I threw up a little in my mouth. |
| 04:56.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | haha |
| 04:56.26 | Shirik | now do you believe me about information overload? |
| 04:56.29 | Shirik | you didn't before |
| 04:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 warriors and me (a feral druid) in heroic mech |
| 04:56.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | guess who's tanking |
| 04:56.44 | zenzelezz | the priest |
| 04:56.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually we have a pally |
| 04:56.58 | zenzelezz | are they supposed to be DPS or tank warriors? |
| 04:57.01 | Kirkburn|sleep | I don't think "it uses Ace" is a valid reason to *not* use something :/ But perhaps I just shouldn't go there ... |
| 04:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | dps i think |
| 04:57.08 | Shirik | but seriously |
| 04:57.12 | Shirik | focus only on the gruul window |
| 04:57.17 | Shirik | is it sensible? |
| 04:57.18 | Shirik | clean enough? |
| 04:57.49 | |Jelly| | Umm...I don't really see a whole hell of a lot of information, really. Health Bars. KLH. Mana. SCT. BW/DBM. EBB. You have mail. I dunno...it's like an exploded version of my raid screen. |
| 04:57.55 | Shirik | right side |
| 04:57.56 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 04:58.06 | Shirik | Growth count, damage, range |
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| 04:58.19 | |Jelly| | I've never faught Gruul so I don't know what information is needed but it looks like that should CYA pretty well. |
| 04:58.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | Looks pretty simple to me |
| 04:58.32 | Shirik | the real problem with me |
| 04:58.35 | Shirik | is I want to know everything |
| 04:58.39 | Shirik | and my screen resolution sucks |
| 04:58.40 | |Jelly| | Now if you could just adjest the frame in real-time through RDX. 8P |
| 04:58.43 | Shirik | that's why everything's uber compressed |
| 04:58.55 | Kirkburn|sleep | How on earth do you get the "in shatter range" bit? |
| 04:58.56 | |Jelly| | What resolution do you use? |
| 04:59.04 | Shirik | Kirkburn|sleep: A complex mix of a few things |
| 04:59.12 | Shirik | the most simplistic approach is CheckInteractDistance() |
| 04:59.31 | Shirik | when someone is within 11.11yd (trade I think?) their name appears there in red |
| 04:59.34 | Kaydeethree | last I heard, using bandages was DBM's means of checking range for gruul |
| 04:59.44 | Shirik | isn't that like 25yd? |
| 04:59.59 | Shirik | because shatter is only 15yd, and you can get away with only being 10yd away |
| 05:00.12 | Shirik | anyway, the yellow is determined by a complex mix of transmissions and other fun stuff |
| 05:00.29 | Shirik | yellow isn't perfect but it's an attempt of a guess of people who are "near" 11.11 yd |
| 05:01.23 | Shirik | so it looks ok then? |
| 05:01.46 | Shirik | only thing I'm worried a bit about is sneakybob's name is a bit too dark I think |
| 05:01.52 | Kirkburn|sleep | I love that Kungen's armory profile - http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Kungen - doesn't have two pieces of his equipment. |
| 05:01.53 | Shirik | but my monitor tends to screw around with colors like crazy |
| 05:02.51 | Shirik | Kirkburn|sleep: and still has 16k hp |
| 05:02.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | hehe |
| 05:03.07 | Kirkburn|sleep | I think the items just aren't in the database >< |
| 05:03.37 | Kaydeethree | we've been saying that about the armory since he started getting t5 |
| 05:03.41 | Shirik | woah |
| 05:03.44 | Shirik | his defense rating |
| 05:03.46 | Shirik | is way too high |
| 05:03.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | You can tell he has an old char, since none of his Horde rep have reached revered |
| 05:04.15 | Shirik | there is zero purpose to go over 495, and usually going over that means that you are losing out in something else you could have |
| 05:04.21 | Kirkburn|sleep | For comparison, my draenei hunter is exalted with every except gnomes (and that's only 5% off) |
| 05:04.52 | zenzelezz | Shirik: what would you rather he use, DPS gear? |
| 05:05.03 | Shirik | there's probably another option somewhere :/ |
| 05:05.06 | Kirkburn|sleep | It's probably due to his choice of enchants |
| 05:05.11 | Shirik | I know if Nellah saw him |
| 05:05.16 | Shirik | he would force him to fix it before he'd tank |
| 05:05.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | And yet Kungen is the one currently attacking Illidan :P |
| 05:05.44 | Shirik | meh |
| 05:05.45 | Kaydeethree | christ, is he already 4/5 t6? |
| 05:05.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | heh |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik | yeah that's a bit insane |
| 05:06.12 | Shirik | but think about it just for a second, there's no purpose, so why do it? |
| 05:06.16 | Shirik | even if you do go DPS instead |
| 05:06.20 | Shirik | that /does/ mean more threat |
| 05:06.26 | Shirik | even if it isn't a wise choice |
| 05:06.32 | zenzelezz | personally I couldn't care less about what other warriors say; I choose my gear as I see fit - and by chance that gives me a lot of defense, since the item designers love throwing defense rating on anything that's meant to tank |
| 05:06.43 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:06.44 | Shirik | this is true |
| 05:06.57 | zenzelezz | DPS gear doesn't have as much stamina as tank gear; and defense aside, stamina matters |
| 05:07.05 | Kirkburn|sleep | His fishing is 5/75 |
| 05:07.09 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 05:07.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:07.19 | Shirik | sounds like me |
| 05:07.22 | zenzelezz | how can you only have 5 fishing |
| 05:07.27 | Shirik | um |
| 05:07.30 | zenzelezz | I got more just waiting for the boat |
| 05:07.30 | Shirik | I might be lower :( |
| 05:07.34 | Kaydeethree | what does he care? he's gm of the #1 raidguild worldwide. the rest of the guild can fish for him |
| 05:07.44 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 05:07.44 | Kirkburn|sleep | Kaydeethree, so true |
| 05:08.09 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: Maybe he's like cogwheel |
| 05:08.15 | Shirik | gets mails saying "how to fix my guild" |
| 05:08.19 | Shirik | and accepts fish as payment |
| 05:08.19 | Kirkburn|sleep | I wonder if he ever respecs |
| 05:09.56 | Shirik | oh wait! |
| 05:09.59 | Shirik | my fishing is 7/75! |
| 05:11.07 | Kaydeethree | gah, damn it. need to stop doing this... |
| 05:11.14 | Shirik | right |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik | you should be doing self |
| 05:11.16 | Kaydeethree | firefox has 30 different tabs open pointing at wikipedia atm |
| 05:11.17 | Shirik | not this |
| 05:11.37 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 05:11.37 | Shirik | haven't you seen my firefox SS? |
| 05:11.52 | Shirik | "You are about to close 115 tabs. Are you sure you want to continue?" |
| 05:11.57 | |Jelly| | haha |
| 05:12.10 | Kaydeethree | I fear fx's memory usage right now |
| 05:12.15 | Shirik | to make it worse I usually have about 4 copies of firefox open at the time |
| 05:13.28 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 05:13.48 | Shirik | and on that note |
| 05:13.51 | Shirik | it is definitely foods time |
| 05:14.04 | |Jelly| | Shirik doesn't eat! He codes all day! |
| 05:14.18 | Shirik|Fooding | it's only 1:14... |
| 05:15.10 | Kaydeethree | damn, it is 2500. suppose I oughta crash at some point. but the latest 2.5 gal batch of tea I made today is soo good |
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| 05:27.18 | Shirik|Fooding | j'ai retourné |
| 05:27.20 | Shirik|Fooding | did you miss me? |
| 05:27.28 | |Jelly| | I did! |
| 05:27.36 | Shirik | <3 |
| 05:34.18 | Shirik | you should totally be able to cast binding heal on yourself |
| 05:34.59 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.06 | subbawt | *shrug* |
| 05:40.54 | Shirik | man that would be awesome |
| 05:41.01 | Shirik | 2k-3k heal, 1.5s cast time, low threat |
| 05:41.18 | |Jelly| | *self heal* |
| 05:41.25 | Shirik | ya |
| 05:41.43 | |Jelly| | Well. If you left it like you did, people would be all "OMG OP! |
| 05:41.45 | |Jelly| | " |
| 05:41.50 | |Jelly| | like the retards they are, IMO |
| 05:41.59 | Shirik | if you can be killed by it, it's OP |
| 05:42.25 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 05:42.29 | Shirik | btw, I absollutely DESTROYEd this shadow priest today |
| 05:42.48 | Shirik | he was all like "lol vampiric embrace" so I was like "scatter shot ice trap" |
| 05:42.58 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 05:43.01 | Shirik | Back up, aimed shot for 4.5k, followed by a multi shot and arcane shot |
| 05:43.02 | Shirik | dead |
| 05:43.04 | |Jelly| | I like destroying |
| 05:43.11 | Shirik | yeah he was a bit mad afterwards :P |
| 05:47.51 | Corrodias | 4.5k, was that a crit? |
| 05:47.57 | Shirik | yar |
| 05:48.03 | Shirik | not my best though |
| 05:48.08 | Shirik | I crit a shaman once for 5.3 |
| 05:48.14 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 05:48.18 | Shirik | I seriously laughed out loud after that |
| 05:48.25 | Shirik | and my gear was far worse then than it is now :/ |
| 05:48.26 | Corrodias | that's strange |
| 05:48.37 | Shirik | though, on the shaman |
| 05:48.43 | Shirik | I had rapid killing and a trinked up |
| 05:48.45 | Shirik | trinket* |
| 05:49.52 | Corrodias | my cat form 5-point ferocious bite crits on "no armor" mobs won't exceed 2600, and shamans wear mail. admittedly, my cat gear isn't fantastic because i focus on bear gear. but now that you mention rapid killing, it's a little more believable. |
| 05:50.21 | Shirik | well these are definite maxes |
| 05:50.26 | Shirik | my average aimed shot crits for 3k |
| 05:51.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | my fb crits for about 2800-3k on cloth :O |
| 05:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | had one for 3700 once but that was double triketed at 100 energy |
| 05:52.13 | Corrodias | i was thinking "this seems like a lot for an attack with no 'combo points'" but mages do as much (re: aimed shot) |
| 05:52.58 | Corrodias | when i help on cyrukh the fire lord, sometimes i do a lot extra damage. i think he gets a debuff during the fight, +25% damage or more |
| 05:53.39 | Corrodias | a 3500+ FB crit under the same conditions as i'd normally get 2300 or so |
| 05:55.40 | Corrodias | ahem |
| 05:55.44 | Shirik | rawr |
| 05:56.00 | Corrodias | well, my guild has a Molten Core run scheduled for two weeks from today, or should i say yesterday? monday |
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| 05:57.09 | Corrodias | my hunter's at 44, and while i'd like him to get the drop to start the rhok'delar, i don't know that i'd be able to get him to 60+ in two weeks while still participating in raids and instance tanking |
| 05:57.11 | Corrodias | comments? |
| 05:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | why do you want rhok'delar |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | get it. |
| 05:57.45 | Corrodias | *start the rhok'delar quest line. i want to do that quest. |
| 05:57.48 | Shirik | you do. |
| 05:57.53 | Shirik | So many people won't go for it |
| 05:57.57 | Shirik | and they'll be far worse off because of it |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | You learn so much from that quest |
| 05:58.12 | Shirik | If you don't have complete control over every aspect of your class, you won't complete it |
| 05:58.29 | Shirik | it's also fun |
| 05:58.30 | Corrodias | i want to be a good hunter. i want to be a damn good hunter, and for that i need to complete that quest. |
| 05:58.46 | Corrodias | i wonder, is it possible to complete as BM or would i have to spec MM or SV? |
| 05:59.15 | Corrodias | not that i'm opposed to the idea of changing for a while |
| 05:59.44 | Shirik | do you have eagle eyE? |
| 05:59.54 | Corrodias | i will by then, yes |
| 06:00.04 | Shirik | that;s the only thing you really "need" |
| 06:00.04 | Corrodias | not yet at 44 |
| 06:00.17 | Shirik | I completed it as MM without a problem, it shouldn't be much harder BM |
| 06:00.25 | Shirik | especially given the extra stamina |
| 06:00.34 | Corrodias | i'm currently still heading straight toward serpent's swiftness |
| 06:00.46 | subbawt | i thought you couldn't use your pet on the rhok'delar quests? |
| 06:00.50 | Shirik | you can't |
| 06:02.18 | Shirik | but I'm just saying the difference between BM and MM will not be much |
| 06:02.49 | Shirik | for example, the winterspring guy |
| 06:02.49 | Shirik | it doesn't make any difference at all |
| 06:03.06 | Shirik | the only thing you need there is eagle eye |
| 06:03.06 | Shirik | The one in Un'Goro? Stamina helps a lot |
| 06:03.09 | Shirik | Silithus? Explosive traps being able to be placed mid-combat makes it so much easier |
| 06:03.18 | subbawt | i remember watching a friend do that one |
| 06:03.18 | subbawt | he dueled a warlock and had the warlock put CoR on him |
| 06:03.18 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:03.18 | Shirik | the fear isn't a big deal |
| 06:03.18 | Corrodias | hot damn i want to do this quest |
| 06:03.35 | Shirik | it's very fun |
| 06:03.48 | Shirik | man I remember a paladin walking up to me randomly in burning steppes while I was doing it |
| 06:03.51 | Shirik | I tried to warn him |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | but he heals me |
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| 06:03.59 | Shirik | then he gets hit for 30k |
| 06:04.09 | Shirik | and then on my last guy |
| 06:04.15 | Shirik | I ran across a horde at the last possible second |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | he was kind enough to let me finish the kill, and get the loot before killing me |
| 06:04.29 | Shirik | he even clapped for me ^^ |
| 06:04.34 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 06:05.46 | Corrodias | i should get to bed so i can stay awake while levelling the hunter tomorrow. oh yeah, and tanking in karazhan. :P |
| 06:06.08 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 06:06.13 | Shirik | night |
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| 06:17.34 | Shirik | so I already wasn't running out of mana |
| 06:17.38 | Shirik | and now I have shadowfiend to play with |
| 06:17.41 | Shirik | which restores 25% of my mana o.o |
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| 06:27.19 | subbawt | ckknight: omen errors every time i cast binding heal! please halp |
| 06:27.21 | Shirik | oh is ckknight the author of omen? |
| 06:27.25 | subbawt | i don't know |
| 06:27.26 | subbawt | i thought so |
| 06:27.27 | subbawt | is he not? |
| 06:27.28 | subbawt | --- |
| 06:27.30 | subbawt | -_- |
| 06:27.36 | Shirik | fyi |
| 06:27.39 | ckknight | no, Antiarc is, but we're sorta co-authors for Threat |
| 06:27.39 | Shirik | inner focus shadow word death is awesome |
| 06:27.40 | ckknight | kinda |
| 06:27.49 | ckknight | well, he's the author, I just hack it as much as he does |
| 06:27.50 | subbawt | well it's actually threat anyways |
| 06:27.59 | ckknight | what's the error? |
| 06:28.22 | Antiarc | Omen is mine, and binding heal is known |
| 06:28.26 | Antiarc | ckknight: I think it's a parser error |
| 06:28.34 | Antiarc | It's not capturing the unit ID of one of the recipients properly |
| 06:28.41 | subbawt | ThreatClassModuleCore.lua:419 Usage: UnitAffectingCombat("unit") |
| 06:28.43 | Antiarc | I don't have a 64+ priest to test with though |
| 06:28.54 | Antiarc | Yeah, know that one |
| 06:28.56 | Shirik | I do :) |
| 06:29.00 | Shirik | I'll play around with it tomorrow |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik | far too tired to do so tonight |
| 06:29.14 | Antiarc | Shirik: If you feel like it, register a heal event in parser-3.0 and PrintLiteral on the table that gets passed |
| 06:29.22 | Antiarc | That should help ckknight fix it |
| 06:29.28 | Shirik | ok, just not tonight >< |
| 06:29.30 | Shirik | perhaps tomorrow morning |
| 06:29.34 | Shirik | I was about to go to sleep :P |
| 06:30.32 | |Jelly| | I'm telling you...Shirik doesn't sleep. |
| 06:30.41 | Shirik | I wish this were so :( |
| 06:30.44 | |Jelly| | He recharges like a Borg for like an hour a day. |
| 06:30.45 | Shirik | unfortunately I get sick when I try this |
| 06:30.53 | Shirik | anyway, night |
| 06:30.57 | |Jelly| | Later |
| 06:31.08 | Shirik|zZz | (I /have/ gone 72 hours without sleep, it doesn't end well) |
| 06:31.20 | Shirik|zZz | this was the day preceeding the RDX.Cid v9 release :P |
| 06:31.28 | |Jelly| | What's that I hear? Weakness being expressed? |
| 06:31.32 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 06:32.30 | Shirik|zZz | <3 night |
| 06:32.40 | Shirik|zZz | and sorry if that didn't come in right... monitor's off so I don't really know what I'm typing... |
| 06:32.59 | |Jelly| | So what you're saying is that you can't see this?! |
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| 06:36.29 | Mike-N-Go | Boo, water disappears if you /afk out of BG , now=[ |
| 06:39.22 | Thunder_Child | guess not |Jelly| |
| 06:43.40 | |Jelly| | He's still there...he's just...ignoring me! yeah... |
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| 06:45.40 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly| i think you have Shirik|zZz withdrawl |
| 06:45.46 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 08:11.35 | Nom- | What's better for solo farming... |
| 08:11.49 | Nom- | Hunter (any spec) or Feral Druid ? |
| 08:12.16 | |Jelly| | Didn't really play a feral druid but i loved my huntard |
| 08:12.34 | Nom- | I'm leaning towards my hunter lol |
| 08:12.43 | Nom- | The change to healing makes them freakin nuts from what i've seen |
| 08:13.07 | Nom- | I took down an equal level elite with no problems just because i could still DPS while healing my pet |
| 08:16.06 | |Jelly| | I liked killing multiple things : / |
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| 09:12.46 | kaiden | anyone have a link to cogswheel's new macro guide |
| 09:13.55 | foxlit | How do I emulate floor(number*10)/10 from string.format? |
| 09:14.26 | foxlit | (or is there any point, even?) |
| 09:15.01 | foxlit | kaiden: stickies on US forums and stuff? |
| 09:15.02 | ckknight | %.1f |
| 09:15.36 | foxlit | Thanks :) |
| 09:19.14 | Nom- | man printf |
| 09:19.18 | Nom- | l2precision |
| 09:19.18 | Nom- | :) |
| 09:19.28 | Nom- | string.format = printf |
| 09:19.36 | Nom- | Sorry, sprintf |
| 09:37.06 | |Jelly| | Cog's guide: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108381822&sid=1 |
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| 10:11.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 10:11.50 | |Jelly| | ? |
| 10:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | the huge influx of keyloggers every day |
| 10:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | puts me in such a downer |
| 10:12.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the wow forums |
| 10:12.16 | |Jelly| | IMO that's Darwinism working at it's finest. |
| 10:12.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes me more sad than melee hunters |
| 10:12.27 | Kaso | Wonder if its connected to the lack of whisper adverts |
| 10:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it is kaso |
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| 10:12.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're hurting for revenue so they're always gonna find a way |
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| 10:12.59 | |Jelly| | Clad! I both purchased and used your book tonight! <3 |
| 10:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing is jelly, sometimes it's hard to tell |
| 10:13.07 | Kaso | If you dont like melee hunter's you wont like this then; http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Warcraft_pump#Hunter_builds_for_grinding |
| 10:13.23 | clad|sleep | |Jelly|: THanks, hope you find it useful |
| 10:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | of course for those of us who are tech savvy it's not too much of a problem |
| 10:13.25 | clad|sleep | please let me know if you don't. |
| 10:13.47 | |Jelly| | *shrug* Maybe that statement was a bit harsh but I'm just weird about clicking on well...all links. lol |
| 10:13.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but someone might see forums.wow-europe.cn/forumid=1 or something |
| 10:14.18 | |Jelly| | Oh. It's going to be useful! The only problem that I've found (and there's nothing you can/would do about this) is that all I bought it for was really Chapter 10 and on. lol |
| 10:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | "guys nihilium just downed illidan, look here: <link>" |
| 10:14.47 | |Jelly| | BUT, like I said...most people will find your walk through of all those addons to be quite useful and I totally see why it's there 8) |
| 10:15.02 | clad|sleep | |Jelly|: Yeah, that was a tough thing to do. If we wrote a book about writing addons, it'd have a market of maybe 6,000 users in the world. With the book written as it is, it hopefully appeals to a broader audience. |
| 10:15.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're even going back and editing peoples' old posts and changing links to keyloggers then bumping the threads from other accounts |
| 10:15.38 | |Jelly| | Oh, I understand. And to be honest, I'll use the other chapters for friends when I recommend them things that perhaps they'll like over what I personally use. |
| 10:15.44 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 10:15.51 | cladhaire | =) |
| 10:16.00 | cladhaire | I call chapter 1 the "Guildmate" chapter :P |
| 10:16.29 | |Jelly| | All in all, what I've read (and used...lol) has been very well written and very useful...not to mention, easy to read even for the layman (me) |
| 10:16.38 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 10:19.35 | |Jelly| | *sigh* You know you've been up too long when you've listened to the entire discography of a band with 5+ albums. |
| 10:19.56 | |Jelly| | *restarts discography* lol |
| 10:20.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i once listened to yakkety sax for four hours |
| 10:20.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | at a lan party. |
| 10:21.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | through my speakers. |
| 10:21.10 | |Jelly| | I think I might kill you |
| 10:21.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | after about 20 minutes you don't notice it |
| 10:21.15 | Kaso | haha |
| 10:21.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | then all of a sudden at 4 hours everyone looked at each other and was like |
| 10:21.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | man what the hell |
| 10:21.37 | |Jelly| | Yeah...I don't remember a lot of the music...it's just white noise after a while. |
| 10:22.02 | |Jelly| | Pretty much the only reason my TV is ever on: background noise |
| 10:22.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | same |
| 10:23.17 | |Jelly| | Is !Warmup at all useful? I've read that it's MAD inaccurate. |
| 10:23.48 | |Jelly| | Now that my UI apparently has fans, I need to streamline is and one of the problems is load time 8( |
| 10:24.36 | Kaso | Warmup is great for startup times, but now with the new profiling aint so hot for addon memory and suchsuch |
| 10:24.47 | foxlit | |Jelly|: what did you make? :) |
| 10:25.04 | |Jelly| | Alright. Yeah...that's all I wanted it for...to see what's taking so long to load. |
| 10:25.18 | |Jelly| | By UI, I meant compilation. I'm still very new to actually coding addons. |
| 10:25.31 | foxlit | linklink! |
| 10:25.42 | |Jelly| | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/7991/ |
| 10:26.17 | Nom- | lol 2.1.1 out already ? |
| 10:26.27 | foxlit | Has KTM! |
| 10:26.28 | foxlit | Lose! |
| 10:26.36 | |Jelly| | yeah yeah yeah |
| 10:26.39 | |Jelly| | Shirik uses KTM!!! |
| 10:26.57 | foxlit | And is that a gold pam whisper |
| 10:27.08 | |Jelly| | hahaha |
| 10:27.10 | foxlit | And the reply is "yeah... your mom" |
| 10:27.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 10:27.23 | |Jelly| | the version that you download now is fitted with updated Spam Sentry. hehe |
| 10:27.52 | |Jelly| | I just haven't been home lately to do all the crap I want to do (different resolutions, mainly) |
| 10:27.58 | Nom- | GRR there's not even a downtime message |
| 10:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get like one goldspam a week now |
| 10:27.59 | Nom- | It's just down |
| 10:28.16 | foxlit | Combatlog addon seriously fails |
| 10:28.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | from hijacked accounts |
| 10:28.20 | |Jelly| | Kind of mad because I did my friend's at 1024x768 and didn't get the stupid layout file. |
| 10:28.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes me sad |
| 10:28.50 | Nom- | It's not just me, is it? Servers are down? |
| 10:28.57 | Recluse | weekly maintenance |
| 10:29.05 | |Jelly| | (is the layout file all I really need to copy it for different resolutions or the whole WTF?) |
| 10:29.33 | Nom- | They're meant to have this bloody alternating downtime stuff |
| 10:29.36 | Nom- | So much for tht |
| 10:29.37 | Nom- | *that |
| 10:29.49 | Recluse | i wish they did have that |
| 10:29.55 | |Jelly| | You mean when they just had rolling restarts there for a while? |
| 10:29.58 | Wobin | yeah =( |
| 10:30.03 | |Jelly| | Because that was win |
| 10:30.16 | Nom- | |Jelly|: That was announced as the "official" downtime roster |
| 10:30.23 | Recluse | i remember one week where they didn't even restart them lol |
| 10:30.30 | Nom- | One week maintenance, 1 week rolling restarts, etc etc |
| 10:30.44 | |Jelly| | Nom-: Huh? *stupid and tired* |
| 10:30.45 | Nom- | And if there's a patch in a rolling restart week, the following week would be rolling restarts |
| 10:30.56 | Nom- | I'd like it |
| 10:30.59 | Nom- | Link it |
| 10:31.01 | foxlit | I don't care! |
| 10:31.04 | Nom- | But even the WoW forums are down |
| 10:31.13 | foxlit | If they have a patch, they're welcome to force downtime to push it! |
| 10:31.26 | Recluse | wow forums are up for me... |
| 10:31.33 | Wobin | Are we patching? |
| 10:31.39 | Wobin | Cause if we are, I'm all for the downtime |
| 10:31.53 | Nom- | oh ffs |
| 10:31.55 | Nom- | routing problem |
| 10:31.59 | Nom- | that's why i can't connect to anything |
| 10:32.08 | Recluse | oh nice it IS a patch |
| 10:32.19 | Nom- | yeah, 2.1.1 |
| 10:32.26 | Wobin | hurrah |
| 10:32.46 | |Jelly| | For whatever reason, somtimes Zone Alarm turns on me and everything but like...WoW and chat clients wont work. (It's like it blocked port 80 all of the sudden) |
| 10:32.53 | |Jelly| | ...makes me want to punch them in the throat |
| 10:33.19 | Recluse | boo only 5 changes? |
| 10:33.27 | Nom- | ah it's back up now |
| 10:33.31 | Nom- | (the routing that is) |
| 10:33.35 | |Jelly| | Anything useful? lol |
| 10:35.13 | |Jelly| | Maybe the flickering terrain error will fix ElkBuffBars' flickering issue |
| 10:35.28 | Wobin | WRU Authentication servers? |
| 10:35.35 | Nom- | bleh |
| 10:35.39 | Nom- | still no downtime notice |
| 10:35.44 | Nom- | and still no able to login |
| 10:35.50 | |Jelly| | Mine has a notice : / |
| 10:35.55 | |Jelly| | 3am-11am |
| 10:35.58 | Wobin | I can't authenticate |
| 10:36.00 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 10:36.08 | Nom- | Neither can I, Wobin |
| 10:36.17 | Nom- | Something dodgy is going on with routing from Australia |
| 10:36.25 | Nom- | iiNet specifically |
| 10:36.27 | Wobin | damnit |
| 10:36.28 | |Jelly| | yay...i shaved 6mb off my compilation for Jelly-Lite (ROFL) |
| 10:36.29 | Wobin | sob |
| 10:36.44 | Wobin | where are you Fin? |
| 10:36.49 | Wobin | Save us with yer dooverlacky |
| 10:37.03 | Recluse | * Players will no longer see the flickering terrain issues that were introduced with 2.1.0 when the LOD system is enabled. |
| 10:37.12 | Wobin | well |
| 10:37.13 | Wobin | to be honest |
| 10:37.27 | Wobin | I'm glad this happened during downtime =P |
| 10:37.54 | Recluse | lol |
| 10:38.47 | Nom- | omg :/ |
| 10:39.01 | Nom- | i actually don't have anyone on my MSN list that works in the Call Centre any more :( |
| 10:39.07 | Nom- | Can't be arsed calling the NOC |
| 10:39.19 | Nom- | Oh well, they'll work it out...someone will whinge on Whirlpol |
| 10:42.38 | Recluse | does goldspam even work? seems like people who were gonna buy it would have googled for it. the spammers should spend more time doing seo on their sites... |
| 10:43.07 | Nom- | My screen has been blissfully blank for the last few days, thanks to SpamSentry |
| 10:43.09 | |Jelly| | It's like mass marketing...you hit enough people and a certain percentage are sure to bite. |
| 10:43.35 | foxlit | "zomg, gold! must buy gold!" |
| 10:43.43 | |Jelly| | I will admit though, that screenshot was the first gold spam I've gotten since 2.1 and I didn't have a spamblocker until like Saturday |
| 10:44.07 | foxlit | My spamblocker requires 0KB of addon memory :P |
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| 10:44.12 | Recluse | i only get goldspam from someone doing a /say at the IF bridge |
| 10:44.48 | |Jelly| | I don't know. Performance_Fu doesn't do but 20 addons (any way to increase this easily?) and I don't recall ever seeing SpamSentry on it. : / |
| 10:44.58 | |Jelly| | I got one of the invite spams...that was annoying. |
| 10:45.05 | |Jelly| | But it's my fault for accepting. |
| 10:45.28 | |Jelly| | See? Darwinism. I clicked it and suffered the consequences of being dumb. |
| 10:46.18 | Recluse | a rumor i heard was that they are random inviting higher ups to steal raid keys so they can goldspam using those >.> |
| 10:47.56 | Wobin | # Script handlers defined in XML are implicitly wrapped with a function declaration (and trailing end) as follows (NOTE: AddOns that hook script handlers must now pass these parameters): |
| 10:48.05 | Wobin | Does this mean I can just hook like a normal function? |
| 10:48.15 | Wobin | rather than trying to hook the script? |
| 10:48.16 | cladhaire | no, what are you hooking? |
| 10:48.27 | cladhaire | Wobin: those implications are just for local parameters and suck |
| 10:48.28 | cladhaire | such |
| 10:48.35 | Wobin | onleave/onenter/onclick for the tradeskill window |
| 10:48.57 | cladhaire | do you need to replace them ? or retain the original behavior? |
| 10:49.11 | Wobin | retain =) |
| 10:49.26 | Wobin | Have you seen Reverse Engineering |
| 10:49.27 | Wobin | ? |
| 10:49.32 | cladhaire | no i can't say i have |
| 10:49.41 | cladhaire | you can securehook those buttons |
| 10:49.47 | cladhaire | as a a matter of fact, I think you'd have to. |
| 10:49.57 | Wobin | Basically a mouseover one of the 'ingredients' for a recipe will show a little icon if that item is manufacturable |
| 10:50.05 | Wobin | and a click will move to that recipe |
| 10:50.20 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 10:50.32 | cladhaire | then you can just hook them |
| 10:50.42 | Wobin | and shiftclick will do as normal, (post the mat to the editbox) |
| 10:50.48 | cladhaire | you can get the script with GetScript("OnEnter") |
| 10:50.57 | cladhaire | if it exists, then hook it with a new function and SetScript() your new one |
| 10:51.04 | cladhaire | otherwise you can just SetScript() |
| 10:51.07 | Wobin | hm.*nod* |
| 10:51.15 | Wobin | I don't want to do that destructively |
| 10:51.30 | Wobin | so the first method |
| 10:52.14 | Wobin | Give Dongle hooking =) |
| 10:52.21 | cladhaire | it doesn't need it |
| 10:52.24 | cladhaire | but it will be getting it |
| 10:52.25 | Wobin | =( |
| 10:52.28 | Wobin | =) |
| 10:52.35 | cladhaire | hooking is easy if you know what you're doing |
| 10:52.38 | Wobin | \0/ |
| 10:52.56 | Wobin | Oh I agree, but it's infinitely easier to leave that to the framework |
| 10:53.04 | Wobin | which is why RevEng is still Ace'd |
| 10:56.23 | Recluse | if shaman stance 1 is ghostwolf, stance 0 would be normal, unshapeshifted? |
| 10:56.36 | Wobin | aye |
| 10:56.39 | Wobin | well, should be |
| 10:56.43 | Wobin | the listing is on wowwiki |
| 10:57.04 | Recluse | ah, i'll attempt a search for it, ty |
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| 11:13.32 | Recluse | looks like you might do a /dismount to get out of ghostwolf, which is odd |
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| 11:22.43 | JoshBorke | o.O 2.1.1? |
| 11:24.40 | Wobin | yeh |
| 11:24.59 | Wobin | http://ace.pastey.net/51522 |
| 11:25.50 | Wobin | Nom-: We're back up |
| 11:33.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope they fixed the booterang not working in flight form bug :[ |
| 11:33.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | because having to restort to booteranging on the ground sucks |
| 11:35.02 | JoshBorke | heh, you said booterang |
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| 11:43.52 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies2: not a bug! |
| 11:44.03 | foxlit | How are you goin to toss a boot from flight form? :) |
| 11:44.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't you do it while flying mounted? |
| 11:44.23 | foxlit | You can. |
| 11:44.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | then it's a bug |
| 11:44.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 11:44.30 | foxlit | But that works because you actually have hands! |
| 11:44.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause you can bomb in flight form |
| 11:44.44 | foxlit | Yeah, that's more like dropping stuff from your birdfeet |
| 11:44.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | who's saying i'm not wearing boots |
| 11:45.09 | foxlit | You don't wear the booterang |
| 11:45.14 | foxlit | You throw it! |
| 11:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do you know |
| 11:45.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 11:45.17 | Wobin | honestly, what were they thinking with that new olympic logo? |
| 11:45.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe i wear it and kick it |
| 11:45.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it arcs back to me |
| 11:45.30 | foxlit | Grats, broken feet! |
| 11:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure it's just a bug though |
| 11:46.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i also can herb in swift flight form so i'm not complaining too much |
| 11:46.04 | foxlit | Oh, i doubt that :) |
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| 11:46.09 | foxlit | Now, that's a bug. |
| 11:46.19 | foxlit | Which will be fixed in either .1 or .2 :) |
| 11:46.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has an animation :O |
| 11:46.28 | foxlit | So did skinning. |
| 11:46.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i think i should be able to booterang |
| 11:46.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's stupid that a fun quest turns into a tedious quest for one class |
| 11:47.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone else loves the booterang |
| 11:47.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again |
| 11:47.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could always booterang while falling then go back into flight form midair |
| 11:47.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmm |
| 11:47.23 | foxlit | Nobody is stopping you from getting onto an epic mount! |
| 11:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're just being a jerk about this :[ |
| 11:48.30 | foxlit | I know, I play a druid :P |
| 11:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a bug, just like the herbing thing is |
| 11:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd lose herbing in forms to be able to booterang |
| 11:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because it'd be a double bugfix patch |
| 11:59.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 11:59.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | flight forms |
| 11:59.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | that is |
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| 11:59.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like bug fixes in general |
| 11:59.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i understand not being able to herb in flight forms |
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| 11:59.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't understand not being able to open chests and other doodads in any form |
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| 11:59.14 | foxlit | claws don't work very well on locks :) |
| 11:59.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just annoying, it's not like it'd throw game balance off or anything |
| 11:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone hasn't seen jurassic pack |
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| 11:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 11:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | park |
| 11:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | *opens door* |
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| 11:59.17 | foxlit | Jurasic park had bears and stuff? |
| 11:59.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it had raptors |
| 11:59.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have claws |
| 11:59.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 11:59.18 | foxlit | I have a feeling they're more into breaking down doors :) |
| 11:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | they managed to open a door with a chicken's intelligence |
| 11:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 11:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | a chickenwolf |
| 11:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're telling me someone who retains the intelligence of their humanoid form can't figure out a way to bash open a door or a chest or something |
| 11:59.18 | foxlit | "High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection is a technology that protects your content played on your computer, DVD or another product and makes sure you see a perfect picture and future-proofing." |
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| 11:59.20 | foxlit | Loose translation, but meh, that's one weird way of saying "we're preventing you from stealing movies" |
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| 11:59.20 | Recluse | impossible to stop that though |
| 11:59.20 | foxlit | Familiar with how HDCP works? |
| 11:59.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone's bound to run a fraps of the video running or something |
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| 11:59.21 | Recluse | yeah, always a way |
| 11:59.21 | foxlit | The correct phrasing is "still a way" |
| 11:59.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's pretty much no way to prevent it |
| 11:59.22 | foxlit | Not really |
| 11:59.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 12:00.40 | foxlit | Windows could easily kill fraps ability to intercept unwanted content |
| 12:00.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | no way that the consumers would still want to use the product |
| 12:00.40 | foxlit | Which is why this is evil |
| 12:00.41 | foxlit | HDCP gets slipped through now (and you can hardly avoid it if you want a decent LCD nowadays), used in a year or so |
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| 12:00.43 | foxlit | And consumers know none the better until they actually can't pirate content. |
| 12:00.44 | foxlit | s/know none the better/know nothing/ |
| 12:00.59 | Kaso | HDCP is evil, just further example of the entertainment caring more about their own protection rather than paying customer's opinions |
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| 12:01.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure someone will develop a hardware solution |
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| 12:01.02 | Recluse | for all encrypted media, it must be decrypted at some point for retrieval. your pirates will just perform this decryption with their own software/hardware is all |
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| 12:01.03 | Wobin | Money =( |
| 12:01.03 | Wobin | Money is stopping me from getting onto an epic mount =( |
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| 12:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | By 2005, HDCP filtering devices were developed and freely sold in countries without restrictions on circumventing DRM. Those usually take the form of filters that have to be installed in the signal path between the movie player or decoder and the TV. The devices strip HDCP information out of the video signal, leaving the movie playable on non-HDCP displays. |
| 12:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess it's already done |
| 12:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | : |
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| 12:01.33 | foxlit | <Recluse> for all encrypted media, it must be decrypted at some point for retrieval. your pirates will just perform this decryption with their own software/hardware is all |
| 12:01.33 | foxlit | Assuming I can design a secure keystorage box, that's pretty much void |
| 12:01.36 | foxlit | All current "hey, look, I can decrypt stuff" steps from cryptographic weakness in the protocol or compromised keys |
| 12:02.02 | foxlit | Doesn't mean those will be there forever |
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| 12:02.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | will be as long as most people remain incompentant |
| 12:02.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is a double edged sword i suppose |
| 12:02.50 | foxlit | Much easier to get compentent people to design an encryption scheme than to get competent consumers to actually detect a problem |
| 12:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh i need to get to sleep |
| 12:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | sleeping all day is not fun or healthy |
| 12:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i listen to my body's internal clock and it says "i get tired whenever i feel like it...you're sleeping when i tell you to, bitch!" |
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| 12:20.54 | Kaso | can you "/equipslot 17" to deequip the current item in the slot? |
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| 12:26.45 | Kaso | Oooh, copy pasting text now doesnt loose item formatting |
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| 12:31.27 | Josh_Borke | oh noes, there are 2 of them |
| 12:31.30 | Josh_Borke | whew, we're safe |
| 12:33.03 | cladhaire_ | poo on you |
| 12:33.32 | Josh_Borke | <3 |
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| 12:33.57 | clad|afk | my laptop has many many wirelss issues |
| 12:33.59 | clad|afk | it is the suck |
| 12:34.08 | Josh_Borke | just plug it in and work! |
| 12:34.18 | clad|afk | heh |
| 12:34.21 | nevcairiel | so are there 2.1.1 notes somewhere around already ? =) |
| 12:34.25 | clad|afk | yes, on the wiki |
| 12:34.27 | clad|afk | nothing extensive |
| 12:34.33 | clad|afk | fixed "The Fel and the Furious" thjo |
| 12:34.38 | clad|afk | which makes me happy, thats a fun quest |
| 12:36.49 | Wobin | http://ace.pastey.net/51522 |
| 12:37.18 | nevcairiel | i hope the gfx issues are really gone now |
| 12:38.55 | Kirkburn | "There is actually a bug with shapeshifting and herb gathering, but only regarding the flight form. Currently it's possible to gather herbs while in flight form, which is not intended. This will be corrected in a coming patch." |
| 12:39.08 | nevcairiel | quite you! |
| 12:39.40 | nevcairiel | it even has a herbing animation, why did they add that ? :( |
| 12:40.40 | Wobin | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/ |
| 12:40.40 | Wobin | awwwwww =\ |
| 12:41.20 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, aye, it is odd there's an anim for it :P |
| 12:42.02 | nevcairiel | well everyone know they would remove it .. it was just too unfair |
| 12:42.09 | nevcairiel | you could herb without aggroing anything |
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| 12:42.49 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, you're totally just copying what I'm saying in the Ace channel >_> |
| 12:42.57 | nevcairiel | nah i am not reading there |
| 12:43.02 | nevcairiel | too lazy to switch channels :D |
| 12:43.12 | Kirkburn | WhatEVA! =) |
| 12:43.26 | nevcairiel | but yeah, the instant cast epic speed is still a big advantage over a mount |
| 12:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to booterang in flight form |
| 12:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 12:44.12 | Kaso | Can you use Booterang whilst on a flying mount? |
| 12:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 12:45.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the point of the quest |
| 12:45.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it loses its charm on the ground |
| 12:45.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just a remade part of the level 1 orc/troll quest to bonk peons |
| 12:47.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead you're flying over lazy peons' heads and chucking a boot at them from the heavens |
| 12:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ToS changed again |
| 12:50.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | we need some kind of person that can read lawyerspeak to help us point out changes :[ |
| 12:51.31 | foxlit | Run a diff! |
| 12:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll diff your face with my fist! |
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| 13:04.17 | Kirkburn | "level 1 orc/troll quest to bonk peons" ... wow, they're damn frisky at low levels, those orcs/trolls ... |
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| 13:09.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn british colloquialisms always messing up our good words |
| 13:10.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | bonking someone on the fanny is quite a different beast over there than here |
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| 13:27.47 | YammYgirlcoding | people. Is anyone aware of what happened to fizzwidget ? the guy disappeared and his site is down |
| 13:30.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | horrible goblin dragon gun accident |
| 13:30.17 | haste | site works here, and it has a notice that his moving to another server |
| 13:30.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, dns problems then |
| 13:32.58 | YammYgirlcoding | aaah!! i was thinking the guy has been shot or something :) |
| 13:34.06 | sysrage | he had.. but dragon guns aren't very lethal |
| 13:37.03 | Neebler | going goblin really disappointed me when I found out they get a crappy flame thrower and gnomish engineers got the death ray |
| 13:37.16 | Neebler | but in 2.0 goblin redeemed itself with the rocketlauncher |
| 13:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want the rocket launcher just so i can get a nice beefy trinket with a lot of stam |
| 13:38.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again i could just grind netherwing rep |
| 13:39.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | since engineering is nigh useless to a feral druid except the trinkets |
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| 13:51.13 | TS|Skrom | anyone know where to get help for the program "wow ui designer"? |
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| 13:52.22 | Industrial | ~seen lunessa |
| 13:54.50 | purl | lunessa <n=chatzill@129.7.93.132> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 15h 48m 21s ago, saying: 'And... on that note, I'm allowed to close the shop and go home. Enjoy gents. '. |
| 13:56.23 | TS|Skrom | never mind, thought i had 2.0 framework in stalled on that pc but I didn't. problem fixed |
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| 14:35.38 | zenzelezz | how rude |
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| 14:59.15 | Thunder_Child | so was irc, zenzelezz |
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| 15:05.01 | banshie | 06 /wave |
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| 15:16.46 | cogwheel|work | They need to add a "Please don't visit the forums to complain abount maintenance" message to the in-game maintenance notice... |
| 15:17.30 | zenzelezz | or just disable posting on some of the forums at all for the duration =D |
| 15:17.57 | cogwheel|work | I don't even think it's the posting... just the swarm itself is an effective DDoS |
| 15:18.16 | zenzelezz | oh, you're talking about the traffic |
| 15:18.21 | zenzelezz | I thought you meant the whine posts |
| 15:18.34 | cogwheel|work | heh... that too :P |
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| 15:22.46 | foxlit | nameplate-attached castbar seems oddly wrong |
| 15:22.56 | Kirkburn | Btw, any wiki editors, I'd love input on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Featured_article |
| 15:23.21 | Kirkburn | And ... maybe even non wiki editors too! :O |
| 15:24.27 | TS|Skrom | haha my eyes skipped to the races section and I saw "human - nice" then saw "dwarf - rather short" and got really confused. |
| 15:24.36 | TS|Skrom | Thought we were discussing physical appearance XD |
| 15:25.02 | Kirkburn | >_> |
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| 15:30.38 | foxlit | Discuss: FA is boring, useless, and depressing |
| 15:30.57 | zenzelezz | first aid? Full auto? |
| 15:31.06 | foxlit | featured article! |
| 15:32.13 | foxlit | Though tbh pick whichever FA that works for you |
| 15:41.03 | cogwheel|work | ~seen tekkub |
| 15:41.37 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 22m 9s ago, saying: 'I expect to see a page of abuse in the morn.. preferrably stickied'. |
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| 15:48.01 | TS|Skrom | *whimper* I'm having a really hard time figuring out all the steps to making a successful drop down box... anyone got any tips to make it easier? |
| 15:53.50 | clad|afk | I do a very simple one in TomTom |
| 15:56.48 | clad|afk | hrm |
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| 16:00.13 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, morning |
| 16:00.15 | cogwheel|work | Poor tiger :( http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN0420641820070605?feedType=RSS |
| 16:00.27 | TS|Skrom | Oh my |
| 16:00.44 | cogwheel|work | I definitely feel worse for the tiger than for the man... |
| 16:03.01 | zenzelezz | you keep such an animal caged, you risk it. Sucks to be you |
| 16:03.05 | wereHamster | you _always_ take care of the tongue, so it doesn't slip down the throat :( |
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| 16:13.44 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10397 |
| 16:17.33 | Kirkburn | Illidan down, just so you know :P |
| 16:18.02 | Shirik|Shower | impressive |
| 16:18.21 | Kirkburn | Aye, nihilum of course |
| 16:18.26 | Shirik|Shower | yup |
| 16:18.38 | Osagasu | Already? |
| 16:18.59 | Osagasu | Forgive the french, but Holy f*** |
| 16:20.33 | Shirik | Cool Cairenn|afk :) |
| 16:20.41 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 16:22.13 | Kaydeethree | holy hell |
| 16:23.28 | Kaydeethree | patch out for 2 weeks and they're already done? wow they undertuned |
| 16:24.54 | zenzelezz | well, it's not like they were new to half the fights when it hit live |
| 16:25.41 | Kaydeethree | true |
| 16:25.41 | zenzelezz | still impressive of course |
| 16:26.12 | Kirkburn | Loot images - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=268.0 |
| 16:26.29 | Osagasu | Did they even finish Hyjal? |
| 16:26.29 | Kirkburn | (It's better than a cockblock .... i.e. C'thun) |
| 16:26.36 | Kirkburn | Archimonde ain't dead yet |
| 16:26.41 | zenzelezz | Archimonde has been taken |
| 16:26.41 | Kaydeethree | next reset most likely |
| 16:26.55 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, ? |
| 16:26.56 | Kaydeethree | meh, bt's probably the first instance they didn't cockblock somewhere |
| 16:27.01 | Kaydeethree | which is weird |
| 16:27.12 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/hyjal/fortedownsarchimonde.jpg |
| 16:27.20 | Osagasu | Weren't you supposed to have to kill Archimonde before Illidan? I mean, he was supposed to be the biggest bad guy of the expansion. |
| 16:27.35 | Kaydeethree | no. they're both t6 instances |
| 16:28.01 | Kirkburn | That wasn't a liegit kill |
| 16:28.03 | Kirkburn | *legit |
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| 16:28.06 | zenzelezz | oh? |
| 16:28.11 | Kirkburn | Unless this *just* happened? |
| 16:28.13 | Kaydeethree | bugged on the ptr |
| 16:28.17 | Kaydeethree | I remember seeing that one |
| 16:28.27 | zenzelezz | well, Hyjal is going down fast as well at least |
| 16:28.30 | Kaydeethree | gm was surprised at the exploit they used iirc |
| 16:28.37 | Kirkburn | Indeed, that's on Archimonde now |
| 16:28.40 | Kirkburn | *They're |
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| 16:29.40 | Osagasu | In that case, I'm glad I left. Both of the top instances being friggen pansy instances. |
| 16:29.46 | Osagasu | It's disillusioning. |
| 16:30.22 | Kaydeethree | meh. maybe we'll get to them some time this year, then. of the t5 instances all we've killed is hydross |
| 16:30.34 | zenzelezz | just because Nihilum, Forte & co. take them don't mean they're pushovers |
| 16:30.54 | TS|Skrom | question about concatenating a variable name... I've got a couple of edit boxes on my options menu. I want to programatically fill each box with text from a table where editbox1 = table[1], editbox2 = table[2] I would assume a for statement would be appropriate, but how do I append my 'i' from the for loop to the end of the editbox'i' part of the loop? |
| 16:31.17 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, exactly |
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| 16:31.49 | Kirkburn | Those guilds are *excellent* players, who have had a long time to get used to playing WoW |
| 16:32.52 | Kirkburn | Conversely, Blizzard have much more experience creating instances for those players |
| 16:33.23 | Osagasu | It doesn't matter. It took them longer to down Malchezzar after they hit 70 then it took them to down Illidan after the patch. |
| 16:33.53 | Kirkburn | Well yea, they weren't 70 then! |
| 16:33.58 | Osagasu | -.- |
| 16:34.03 | Osagasu | I just said after they hit 70 |
| 16:34.10 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 16:34.11 | dukeku | i was 70 before you were born, son |
| 16:34.35 | Osagasu | And it took them longer to down Vashj after they entered Serpentshrine than Illidan after the patch |
| 16:34.47 | Osagasu | not even two bloody weeks |
| 16:34.48 | Kirkburn | Well, also note they wouldn't have had time to get used to the new talents and style of play |
| 16:34.49 | Osagasu | I mean, seriously |
| 16:35.06 | Kirkburn | Vashj was bugged |
| 16:35.11 | Kirkburn | That's why they didn't down her. |
| 16:35.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they just had more time to tune them on the ptr, and got some good serious 1 on 1 with the poopsockers |
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| 16:35.47 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 16:35.50 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. that's a term I haven't heard in a while |
| 16:36.12 | zenzelezz | you can't forget that these are people that Blizzard turn to for help in testing these raids |
| 16:36.14 | Kirkburn | Ah yes, don't forget the guilds tested /every/ encounter on the PTRs. Dunno about Arch and Illidan though |
| 16:36.18 | zenzelezz | hah |
| 16:36.21 | zenzelezz | I win |
| 16:36.30 | Kirkburn | h8 u |
| 16:36.40 | cogwheel|work | Kirkburn: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108214859&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 16:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i won with less detail okay |
| 16:36.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | >;[ |
| 16:36.49 | Osagasu | They downed Vashj. In fact, I think they downed her twice in the first week they downed her at all because she was bugged. |
| 16:36.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | poopsockers = bleeding edge raiders |
| 16:37.08 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 16:38.48 | Shirik | qq at forums |
| 16:38.51 | Shirik | are servers still down? |
| 16:39.03 | Kaydeethree | patch day. wouldn't be surprised |
| 16:39.22 | Shirik | local _, _, item, who, price = string.find(arg, pattern) |
| 16:39.24 | Shirik | oops |
| 16:39.33 | Shirik | apparently you can't ctrl+c patch notes >.> |
| 16:39.53 | Shirik | anyway what is this crap about stackable items from mail no longer stacking in your inventory |
| 16:39.55 | TS|Skrom | if I do EditorSinglelineEditBox..i that's not going to append the value of i to the end of the EditorSingllineEditBox variable name is it? |
| 16:39.55 | Shirik | they never did for me |
| 16:40.22 | Shirik | hey they fixed the z fighting! |
| 16:40.26 | Shirik | about time.. |
| 16:41.09 | Shirik | hm no severs are up |
| 16:41.17 | Shirik | wonder why the forums are = crap |
| 16:41.23 | Shirik | all the trolls need to get back in the game |
| 16:41.52 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, ooh, interesting |
| 16:41.52 | Kaydeethree | hm? |
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| 16:43.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Shirik> hey they fixed the z fighting! |
| 16:44.02 | Shirik | the flashing of terrain |
| 16:44.11 | Shirik | that I've been complaining about forever |
| 16:44.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | z fighting always conjurs images of guys floating in the air and grunting for hours before fighting and one getting killed in 3 minutes |
| 16:44.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | always |
| 16:44.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:45.08 | Shirik | z fighting is quite literally two objects having the same world Z coordinate |
| 16:45.23 | Shirik | which results in the graphics processor not being able to determine which one is hidden and which is shown |
| 16:45.30 | Shirik | which results in flashing back and forth between the two objects |
| 16:45.45 | Shirik | there's a really simple fix - almost every graphics card I know of supports stencil buffering |
| 16:45.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sorry, the correct answer is goku charging a spirit bomb and killing frieza |
| 16:45.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:46.09 | Kaydeethree | huzzah. they finally changed the server motd, no more bitching about addons |
| 16:46.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | tribes 1 has awful z fighting on modern cards |
| 16:46.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it was designed for glide with limited opengl support |
| 16:46.39 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-fighting |
| 16:47.02 | Shirik | Z-fighting, also called stitching, is a phenomenon in 3D rendering that occurs when two or more coplanar primitives have similar values in the Z-buffer, causing random parts of the primitives to be rendered. This problem is usually caused by floating point round-off errors. Z-fighting is reduced by the use of a higher resolution depth buffer, by W-buffering, or by simply moving the polygons further apart. |
| 16:47.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | when zooming with the mouse you can see THROUGH structures on nvidia cards that are geforce 4 or above |
| 16:47.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you can see inside buildings |
| 16:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 16:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | built in wallhack :x |
| 16:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm so glad that'll be fixed |
| 16:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | BF was horrible for that |
| 16:47.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | something in the legion camps in BEM was wrecking my FPS |
| 16:48.00 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: That's typically caused by the fact that many objects don't have a texture to render on the other side |
| 16:48.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently its the core hounds or something |
| 16:48.07 | Shirik | for performance reasons |
| 16:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing like unloading on a mob only to pull aggro and suddenly get... a very odd view of the place, and no view of the mob now beating on me |
| 16:48.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, shirik |
| 16:48.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it didn't use to do it |
| 16:48.17 | Shirik | as a result, if you can get behind it, you see through it |
| 16:48.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | on older cards |
| 16:48.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially in glide mode |
| 16:48.33 | Shirik | fun times |
| 16:48.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | newer cards get terrible FPS in it and textures pop and disappear like mad |
| 16:49.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | but man, get a voodoo 3 on that thing and BAM |
| 16:49.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks pretty for a game from 1998, and runs smooth as helll |
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| 16:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | aaand my trinketmenu's broken again |
| 16:54.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | after an ace update |
| 16:54.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:[ |
| 16:54.37 | Shadowed | oh hey we can mouseover things that are in front of objects again |
| 16:54.59 | Shadowed | or at least only objects that cause LOS I guess |
| 16:55.04 | Shadowed | don't* |
| 16:55.04 | Kaydeethree | thank the gods, they finally fixed the mouse-targetting bug? |
| 16:55.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | niiiiice |
| 16:55.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | now if only they'll let me booterang while flying |
| 16:55.34 | Kaydeethree | flight form? |
| 16:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
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| 16:56.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmmmm i can't target through this crystal here |
| 16:56.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you sure, Shadowed? |
| 16:56.27 | Shirik | foxlit: Ping |
| 16:56.37 | Shadowed | Nope |
| 16:58.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ damn you booterang |
| 16:58.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could be such a fun quest |
| 16:58.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | but instead you're tedious |
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| 17:01.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | warden's apparently been updating like crazy recently :O |
| 17:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's detecting rootkits i think |
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| 17:42.49 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: morning |
| 17:43.07 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, did you commit your changes? |
| 17:43.13 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 17:43.36 | Josh_Borke | wasn't sure if you wanted me to |
| 17:43.37 | wereHamster | .. if it fixes that 'bug', then go ahead :) |
| 17:43.45 | Josh_Borke | ok, will do tonight |
| 17:43.53 | wereHamster | yesterday you left before I could tell you :) |
| 17:44.36 | wereHamster | I'm not really playing anymore, so I'm glad someone is fixing bugs for me :) |
| 17:44.41 | Josh_Borke | sorry, i was falling asleep at the keyboard :-) |
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| 17:44.56 | zenzelezz | the only way to sleep |
| 17:47.23 | |Jelly| | no...I've laid my head open on my desk falling asleep at the computer |
| 17:47.38 | |Jelly| | Stupid EQ and it's million hour corpse recoveries. |
| 17:49.43 | Shirik | hold up |
| 17:49.44 | Shirik | what? |
| 17:49.56 | |Jelly| | huh? |
| 17:50.02 | Shirik | why does it take so long? |
| 17:50.13 | |Jelly| | did it take so long? |
| 17:50.20 | |Jelly| | (They've fixed it since I played) |
| 17:50.26 | Shirik | 13:47:49 ‹|Jelly|› Stupid EQ and it's million hour corpse recoveries. |
| 17:50.34 | |Jelly| | But because you had to get to your corpse, alive, to rez it. |
| 17:50.42 | |Jelly| | No ghost form or whatever. |
| 17:50.44 | Shirik | mm |
| 17:50.46 | Shirik | fun |
| 17:50.50 | TC-Working | sucked getting killed on the way to your corpse |
| 17:50.52 | |Jelly| | And how. |
| 17:51.05 | Shirik | did you have to get to your corpse twice then or something? ^^ |
| 17:51.06 | TC-Working | then you had multiple corpses to loot again |
| 17:51.11 | wereHamster | TC-Working, to which corpse did you then have to go? to both? |
| 17:51.16 | TC-Working | yep |
| 17:51.18 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 17:51.25 | Shirik | .. |
| 17:51.38 | TC-Working | well, if you dodnt equip anything the second time then you only had to go to one, but if you did... |
| 17:51.42 | TC-Working | didnt* |
| 17:52.11 | TC-Working | inventory items you start out with when you rez but equiped items lay on the corpse |
| 17:53.02 | TC-Working | so if you equip twice and die twice, it's a long long time before your fully ready again |
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| 17:54.19 | Andalia | Can anyone here tell me if it is possible to move WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame (the one that shows resources for AB or flags for WSG). It just keeps resetting after I move it and I dont know how to prevent it from doing so |
| 17:57.02 | Shirik | hm, I just moved it |
| 17:57.05 | Shirik | but not correctly >< |
| 17:57.15 | |Jelly| | h4x |
| 17:57.27 | TC-Working | i use dfm and it works fine |
| 17:57.45 | TC-Working | dfm = discord frame modifier |
| 17:58.02 | Shirik | I believe WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame is not correct |
| 17:58.38 | Andalia | hmm...I wont use dfm ;) But there must be a way :( |
| 17:59.10 | Kaso | hook it's setpoint method to stop it moving! |
| 17:59.26 | Shirik | ... |
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| 17:59.50 | Kaso | the problem is its moving back, so hook setpoint to stop it :> |
| 17:59.57 | Kaso | Simple! |
| 18:00.14 | Shirik | "The problem is I'm getting errors, so do a seterrorhandler(function() end) |
| 18:00.27 | Kaso | haha |
| 18:00.39 | Kaso | brilliant idea! |
| 18:01.01 | pastamancer | On error resume next |
| 18:01.15 | zenzelezz | that was in all of my VB functions |
| 18:01.49 | pastamancer | there's a special place in hell for people that do that |
| 18:02.15 | Shirik | 10th ring? |
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| 18:29.48 | TC-Working | nothin like looking at the ingredients on the back of a monster drink to make you wonder what the hell your pouring in |
| 18:30.39 | Mike-N-Go | Any indication on if worldofwarcraft.com is a spoof, because my browser gives me a certificate warning when I go to 'manage account'? |
| 18:31.17 | Shirik | go into command prompt and type |
| 18:31.20 | Shirik | nslookup worldofwarcraft.com |
| 18:31.22 | Shirik | tell me the results |
| 18:31.40 | TC-Working | i'm not getting a cert error when i do it |
| 18:31.46 | Shirik | I take that back I am getting the error too |
| 18:31.55 | TC-Working | i'm not |
| 18:32.08 | Shirik | oh lol |
| 18:32.11 | Shirik | the issue is |
| 18:32.11 | TC-Working | cert doesnt expire till 2008 |
| 18:32.16 | Mike-N-Go | I get the error when I click on http://worldofwarcraft.com/account/ |
| 18:32.17 | Shirik | it's registered to www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 18:32.21 | Shirik | which is not equivalent to worldofwarcraft.com |
| 18:32.30 | TC-Working | L2www |
| 18:32.38 | |Jelly| | burn |
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| 18:33.45 | TC-Working | *sigh* @ retarded names |
| 18:33.47 | TC-Working | World of Warcraft Finalists: |
| 18:33.47 | TC-Working | 1st - The HUKHUKHUKHUKHUKS |
| 18:33.47 | TC-Working | 2nd - We lose cuz Daorok sux |
| 18:33.47 | TC-Working | 3nd - Power Trip |
| 18:33.52 | Shirik | rofl. |
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| 18:34.40 | TC-Working | you know, the next ToS needs to have a min IQ req for playing |
| 18:35.17 | TC-Working | "so we'll also be providing a beta key for an upcoming Blizzard game" like we dont know what it is |
| 18:35.48 | |Jelly| | *boggle* 8P |
| 18:36.44 | TC-Working | i refuse to do the costume contest though |
| 18:36.59 | TC-Working | i have my pride and dignity |
| 18:37.06 | TC-Working | i just cant find them atm thats all |
| 18:40.49 | |Jelly| | 13:40:10 [4] <Lokeina>: LF1M BOT, need non cloth dps -- Someone doesn't want competition! |
| 18:40.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:41.22 | Shirik | be happy they actually use the LFG channel |
| 18:41.26 | Shirik | instead of the trade channel |
| 18:41.45 | |Jelly| | They're using trade too...I just have it filtered to another window so I don't see it. lol |
| 18:41.47 | TC-Working | i wish i could /report people for doing improper things on channles |
| 18:41.55 | Shirik | in theory you can |
| 18:41.59 | Shirik | but last time I petitioned a GM on it |
| 18:42.10 | Shirik | he said that there were so many people doing it, he won't do anything about it |
| 18:42.14 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf" |
| 18:42.25 | |Jelly| | Like...LFM in trade? or what? |
| 18:42.27 | Shirik | "that's like saying there's so many people committing murder that we aren't going to do anything about it anymore" |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:42.41 | amro | except it's paying customers, not murderers :P |
| 18:42.41 | sysrage | i've never seen a GM actually take action against anything |
| 18:43.03 | Shirik | amro: They are no more a paying customer than I am |
| 18:43.21 | amro | Shirik: but they're more than you are |
| 18:43.27 | |Jelly| | What if they've all paid for a year?! huh?!? 8P |
| 18:43.40 | amro | I mean, there are more of them |
| 18:43.54 | |Jelly| | I wish WoW would implement what LOTRO did and have a lifetime subscription. lol |
| 18:44.00 | Shirik | I mostly disagree with that, but there are more of them than are complaining about it, yes |
| 18:44.05 | Shirik | "the silent majority" |
| 18:44.23 | TC-Working | LotRO has a lifetime subscription? |
| 18:44.27 | Shirik | ya |
| 18:44.29 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 18:44.31 | Shirik | something like $200 iirc |
| 18:44.32 | |Jelly| | $200 |
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| 18:44.39 | TC-Working | wow, thats quite cheap |
| 18:44.40 | amro | Shirik: never said I agree with it, but that's the way it is |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | I know :) |
| 18:44.46 | pastamancer | I guess they don't plan on being arond that long :p |
| 18:45.00 | TC-Working | heh, i was just thinking it would be stupid for blizz to do it |
| 18:45.06 | TC-Working | they make way more than that |
| 18:45.09 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:45.14 | |Jelly| | I played beta...it was actually pretty fun. |
| 18:46.44 | TC-Working | i played beta as well, but...na |
| 18:46.44 | TC-Working | not for me |
| 18:46.44 | |Jelly| | How so? at $16 a month, $200 is 12.5 months. They've got ya for a year once you do it regardless if you play or not. : / |
| 18:46.44 | Shirik | and after a year? ;) |
| 18:46.44 | |Jelly| | It was pretty much a carbon copy of EQ2 |
| 18:46.44 | amro | yeah $200 is pretty cheap |
| 18:46.44 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet many, if not most, current WoW subscribers have been in game for more than a year |
| 18:46.44 | |Jelly| | Well...after a year, you reup or don't...regardless, you were going to pay $16 a month. |
| 18:47.22 | amro | <- since release |
| 18:47.22 | |Jelly| | were/are |
| 18:47.40 | |Jelly| | Please keep in mind that I'm not looking at this from Blizzard's point of view, really. I'm just tired of since I don't have a credit card, having to buy game cards. lol |
| 18:47.41 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:47.44 | Shirik | from your side it's great |
| 18:48.37 | |Jelly| | And my side...if, of course, the only side. |
| 18:48.37 | |Jelly| | !!! |
| 18:48.37 | Shirik | blizzard's side, not so much |
| 18:48.37 | |Jelly| | Shhhhhh |
| 18:48.37 | Shirik | on another note |
| 18:48.37 | |Jelly| | Blizzard has no say in my side! |
| 18:48.37 | Shirik | let us assume that Blizzard has locked in tons of lifetime subscriptions |
| 18:48.41 | Shirik | there is now no real incentive to provide patches |
| 18:48.44 | |Jelly| | Oh shit. Here comes Shirik with his logic bomb. |
| 18:48.46 | TC-Working | @ $500 a pop |
| 18:49.04 | |Jelly| | You make a really good point there. |
| 18:49.13 | TC-Working | new players Shirik |
| 18:49.18 | |Jelly| | But in that case, can I go back to shadow since it shouldn't be nerfed anymore? |
| 18:49.21 | Lunessa | Did I miss an announcement, or are we dealing in the metaphysical realm of pure speculation? |
| 18:49.28 | Shirik | we are : |
| 18:49.29 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:49.34 | TC-Working | Industrial |
| 18:49.49 | Shirik | foxlit: Come back!! |
| 18:50.06 | |Jelly| | Yeah foxlit...we're annoying him! |
| 18:50.21 | Lunessa | Ok. 'cause I was going to say that with an MMO, you can never really predict how long people will keep playing it. I mean, like EQ is still rocking since '99. |
| 18:50.37 | TC-Working | i dunno if i would call that 'rocking' |
| 18:50.40 | Shirik | ~botmsg foxlit Find me when you get back, I want you to look at something for me :) |
| 18:50.53 | |Jelly| | And I feel SOOO bad for the people who start new on servers that aren't progression servers. |
| 18:51.28 | Industrial | TC-Working: yes? |
| 18:51.30 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 18:51.31 | Lunessa | Well, rocking in that SoE is still making money. |
| 18:51.37 | Shirik | smite gets interrupted |
| 18:51.40 | Shirik | and MB goes on cooldown? |
| 18:51.46 | Shirik | something's broke there >.> |
| 18:51.52 | |Jelly| | I miss Galaxies...before they broke it |
| 18:51.53 | TC-Working | nothing, i just felt like typing in your name |
| 18:52.57 | Shirik | hi Industrial |
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| 18:53.09 | Shirik | and cogwheel|work |
| 18:53.19 | |Jelly| | Hey Cog |
| 18:53.36 | TC-Working | ah, the wino is here |
| 18:53.56 | cogwheel|work | now, Shirik, your tab-completion gave you away |
| 18:54.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:54.12 | cogwheel|work | would you really have bothered to put the |work on there if you were talking about me? |
| 18:54.15 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | 14:53:09 ‹Shirik› hi Industrial |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | 14:53:17 » Join: cogwheel|work ‹n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com› |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | 14:53:21 ‹Shirik› and cogwheel|work |
| 18:54.39 | cogwheel|work | pfft |
| 18:54.40 | cogwheel|work | boring |
| 18:54.44 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:54.55 | TC-Working | cogwheel|analretentive |
| 18:55.49 | |Jelly| | Question regarding Ace Libraries: If I load the StandAloneLibraries, do I need to install the mods "with Externals" ? Which is 'best'? |
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| 18:56.02 | Shirik | neither is "best" |
| 18:56.03 | TC-Working | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108234964&sid=1 "Flame On" |
| 18:56.19 | Shirik | StandAloneLibraries only ensures that the latest version of the libraries are the first and only libraries to be installed |
| 18:56.26 | Lunessa | Haha... once more the causes of coding religion rear their ugly heads. |
| 18:56.29 | Shirik | in theory, an outdated addon could be loaded first, loading an older library for the first few seconds |
| 18:56.32 | Xuerian | If you're installing libraries separately (be it in SAL or the real way), you should probably go without externals. |
| 18:56.58 | Shirik | the older library would be overwritten shortly thereafter though |
| 18:57.07 | |Jelly| | So it would take load time though? |
| 18:57.13 | Shirik | no |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | in theory it could shorten load time |
| 18:57.35 | Shirik | but there's no real way to guarantee that |
| 18:57.40 | |Jelly| | So irregardless, that's not going to increase or decrease load time (to have both)? |
| 18:57.54 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:58.23 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work: The ? icon thing is a bug btw |
| 18:58.36 | |Jelly| | Roger. Sorry for the weird question...my UI's taking a while to load and well Warmup, while helpful, told me to replace quite a bit of my 'crucial' stuff. |
| 18:58.39 | cogwheel|work | TC-Working: done |
| 18:58.46 | Shadowed | it doesn't reset to the default state if you're already on the action or something |
| 19:01.34 | kaiden | grrr i see they've still not made a fix to /follow |
| 19:01.40 | kaiden | evil blizzard |
| 19:02.51 | TC-Working | lol, thanks cogwheel|work |
| 19:03.04 | Lunessa | Wow... I don't look at the forums for 2 days ... and not a single new or interesting question has been asked. |
| 19:03.29 | |Jelly| | You cut me deep...mine is interesting! |
| 19:03.43 | Kaydeethree | heh. only globalstrings changes with this interface revision |
| 19:04.55 | mikma | cogwheel|work: :D |
| 19:06.09 | Lunessa | I missed your Jelly... But most of it is all stuff that's eithe: a) in the FAQ, b) lol wut addon is this, or c) asked a zillion times and text search would have given the answer. |
| 19:06.40 | Shirik | wait |
| 19:06.43 | Shirik | |Jelly| posted a question? |
| 19:07.08 | |Jelly| | Same question I spammed you about last night while you were sleeping. lol |
| 19:07.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:07.36 | |Jelly| | ...of which, I've all but given up on. |
| 19:07.47 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik | looking through my pings |
| 19:07.53 | Shirik | that I missed last night |
| 19:07.55 | Shirik | 02:45:50 ‹Thunder_Child› |Jelly| i think you have Shirik|zZz withdrawl |
| 19:07.55 | Shirik | [#wowi-lounge] - [05/06/2007] |
| 19:07.56 | Shirik | what is that |
| 19:08.12 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 19:09.22 | Shirik | (02:33:10) ‹|Jelly|› So what you're saying is that you can't see this?! |
| 19:09.22 | Shirik | .. |
| 19:09.26 | Shirik | yes I really couldn't |
| 19:09.38 | Shirik | what's funny is I actually hit backspace while typing that sentence too |
| 19:09.39 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 19:09.42 | Shirik | instinctively |
| 19:09.42 | Polarina | Does anyone know if it is possible to get the repair cost for items, "without" discount even when at a merchant that gives discount? |
| 19:09.43 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Which FAQ talks about hiding and showing frames automagically? The addon doesn't matter, I gave the names of the frames (which actually includes the name of the addon. Asked a zillion times? Seriously...show me... |
| 19:10.00 | Shirik | Polarina: Definitely possible |
| 19:10.06 | Kaso | Polarina, surely you could; check faction of the NPC, check the char page to tell if player is honored with that faction, then adjust the price accordingly |
| 19:10.11 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:10.28 | Polarina | Kaso: And how do I check the faction of the merchant? |
| 19:10.43 | Elkano | or simply calculate it from the durability values |
| 19:10.46 | Kaso | UnitFactionGroup("target") |
| 19:11.08 | Polarina | Kaso: It returns for example "Alliance" or "Horde", nothing better than that. :( |
| 19:11.16 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I can't PM you because I haven't registered. lol |
| 19:11.45 | Elkano | shame on you :P |
| 19:11.50 | Lunessa | SHAME! |
| 19:12.00 | Lunessa | It takes like... 2 seconds. |
| 19:12.01 | |Jelly| | I'm in Heroic BF currently or I would 8( |
| 19:12.15 | Kaso | i could have sworn that function returned the faction of npcs |
| 19:12.32 | TC-Working | ~shame |Jelly| |
| 19:12.47 | purl | Shame on you |Jelly|! |
| 19:12.48 | TC-Working | damit purl |
| 19:12.55 | TC-Working | ~botsnack |
| 19:12.55 | purl | TC-Working: thanks |
| 19:13.34 | |Jelly| | and wince we wiped...i suppose I could do it |
| 19:13.46 | |Jelly| | and of course -- my fault that they pulled the pat |
| 19:14.05 | Shirik | of course! |
| 19:14.13 | Shirik | how dare you not be able to heal 50 at once |
| 19:14.15 | Shirik | ffs |
| 19:14.18 | Shirik | you're a priest! |
| 19:14.26 | TC-Working | <-- SP |
| 19:14.43 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108234493&sid=1 |
| 19:14.49 | Lunessa | OMG - I hate it when someone 'blames the priest' for stupid things they did. |
| 19:15.20 | Shirik | you get used to it |
| 19:15.24 | Shirik | I just say sorry every time we wipe now |
| 19:15.27 | Shirik | by habit |
| 19:15.49 | Lunessa | I don't. I'm known as a "cranky priest." |
| 19:15.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:15.53 | Polarina | Anyone? |
| 19:16.11 | Shirik | Polarina: Look at the tooltip code |
| 19:16.16 | Shirik | determine how it figures out what faction they're in |
| 19:16.17 | foxlit | So cute |
| 19:16.30 | foxlit | The wowforums interceptor is powered by javascript that replaces the link live |
| 19:16.32 | Lunessa | Polarina - Scan the tooltip? |
| 19:16.35 | Polarina | Shirik: That's the dirty way, is there a clean way? |
| 19:16.38 | foxlit | So if you open it in a tab, the interceptor never works. |
| 19:16.44 | Shirik | why would you call that the dirty way? |
| 19:16.48 | Shirik | I never said scan the tooltip |
| 19:16.51 | Shirik | I said look at how they did it |
| 19:17.19 | Kaydeethree | fox; by design. people were bitching when they put the forums in beta that they shouldn't have to deal with the interceptor for opening new tabs |
| 19:17.24 | Polarina | Shirik: They do it the dirty way. |
| 19:17.41 | Shirik | ok what is this "dirty way" you speak of? |
| 19:17.53 | TC-Working | huh...blizzcon forum...odd |
| 19:18.25 | Polarina | Shirik: Even multiplying the value with 1,1 (110%) doesn't give accurate results. |
| 19:18.51 | Shirik | ok well |
| 19:18.54 | Shirik | let me put it this way |
| 19:19.11 | Shirik | It's what you have to work with. If Blizzard looked up the faction in a specific way, that's probably how you're going to have to do it too. |
| 19:19.26 | Shirik | To answer your question, no, there is no function (nor should there be) to get the absolute price of an item |
| 19:19.37 | Polarina | Just the repair cost. :( |
| 19:19.42 | Shirik | And at the very worst, multiplying by 1.1 would be off by just a few copper |
| 19:20.05 | foxlit | Hm, you're looking to detect honored status with NPCs? |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | foxlit: Polarina doesn't want to do that either |
| 19:20.22 | Polarina | foxlit: Better yet, finding out the repair cost of items without discounts. |
| 19:20.47 | foxlit | But basically, it comes down to detecting whether you get the discount or not? |
| 19:20.54 | Polarina | foxlit: Yes. |
| 19:21.51 | Shirik | Polarina: You never answered me |
| 19:21.57 | Shirik | Why do you call what Blizzard did "the dirty way" ? |
| 19:22.11 | Polarina | Shirik: Undocumented API. |
| 19:22.31 | foxlit | all api is undocumented! |
| 19:22.36 | Shirik | yeah... |
| 19:22.39 | zenzelezz | damn you fox, you were faster than me |
| 19:22.43 | Shirik | yeah me too |
| 19:23.00 | Shirik | If you're not willing to read the Blizzard code |
| 19:23.05 | foxlit | I'd suggest UnitReaction, but that doesn't quite work like you'd expect |
| 19:23.05 | Shirik | I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to help you, plain and simple |
| 19:23.13 | Shirik | foxlit: Will you be around in about 10 minutes? |
| 19:23.19 | Shirik | I want to ask you a question but I need food >< |
| 19:23.23 | foxlit | Yeah, sure |
| 19:23.33 | foxlit | It's only 2123 |
| 19:23.38 | Shirik|AFK | :) |
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| 19:35.54 | TC-Working | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108213383&sid=1 |
| 19:37.46 | Lunessa | Logger of the Keys - A new Drama by W.H. Shakes-a-Beer |
| 19:40.51 | TC-Working | hmm.. do /me not trigger pings? |
| 19:41.22 | |Jelly| | I still think people that don't release need to die in a fire |
| 19:43.33 | zenzelezz | when they die you mean? |
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| 19:43.58 | |Jelly| | yeah |
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| 19:44.13 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, they are already dead, and if they got hit with a fireball they already died in a fire |
| 19:44.15 | zenzelezz | it depends on the situation in my opinion, but in a wipe + no SS/DI I agree |
| 19:44.17 | |Jelly| | more importantly, when I die |
| 19:44.21 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit: still here? ^^; |
| 19:44.30 | foxlit | booteranging stuff |
| 19:46.50 | TC-Working | now i am sad i looked at my realm forum http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108214593&sid=1 |
| 19:47.32 | foxlit | Ask away :) |
| 19:47.46 | TC-Working | i should post a warning in there *Warning* This realm contains %90 of all retards in WoW |
| 19:47.54 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit: did you get my pm? |
| 19:48.22 | foxlit | Second round, yeah |
| 19:49.09 | Lunessa | |Jelly| I prefer people not to release. Especially in Tempest Keep or places where we'll have respawn. If we have no DI/SS then yeah, they should release, but usually I prefer they not. :P |
| 19:51.29 | foxlit | Help, I being chased through SMV by 20 angry spinning boots! |
| 19:55.44 | Shirik|Ecole | lol @ cm : -edit- |
| 19:55.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Oh noes someone moved me. |
| 19:55.49 | Lunessa | OMG - Cog actually used PEBKAC |
| 19:55.56 | TC-Working | heh |
| 19:56.08 | TC-Working | i used it on my work email...and got in trouble |
| 19:57.00 | Lunessa | I work in support for a university. Imagine the political fall out if I told a user that? But techs use it all the time describing a problem. |
| 19:57.02 | Shirik|Ecole | where? |
| 19:57.44 | TC-Working | thats because it *is* always the problem, if no one ever touched a puter, it would never have a problem |
| 19:57.54 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 19:58.22 | Lunessa | Shirik - I work for a university in Texas. I'd rather not divulge more than that in a public forum. |
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| 19:59.33 | |Jelly| | It's not UNT, is it? 8P |
| 19:59.38 | foxlit | According to wikipedia, there are 136 distinct universities and colleges in texas. |
| 19:59.50 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
| 20:00.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa: That's not what I meant |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I meant where did cogwheel|work use PEBKAC >< |
| 20:00.14 | Lunessa | I suppose if you really wanted to, you could trace my IP addy... |
| 20:00.18 | TC-Working | *snicker* |
| 20:00.25 | Lunessa | Oh... One sec. |
| 20:00.27 | cogwheel|work | I use pebkac a lot :P |
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| 20:02.05 | Lunessa | Bah.. I don't want to look through all these threads again... |
| 20:02.21 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.worldofwarcraft.com+pebkac&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7 |
| 20:02.28 | foxlit | hrm |
| 20:02.36 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.worldofwarcraft.com+pebkac |
| 20:02.58 | foxlit | so much junk in those search urls |
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| 20:05.10 | TC-Working | stop at junk and you have the right of it |
| 20:09.47 | Lunessa | Hrm... Change i n 2.2 ... " Key bindings and modified clicks may optionally specify LSHIFT, RSHIFT, LCTRL, RCTRL, LALT, RALT instead of the normal SHIFT, CTRL, ALT modifiers. The default UI will not set L/R modifiers and will continue to use the normal (either side) modifiers. " I can finally use something other than ~ for my 'push to talk' key. |
| 20:12.14 | Kaso | you use tilde for your push to talk ? how do you reach? |
| 20:12.34 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 20:12.41 | |Jelly| | WASD, it's not much of a reach |
| 20:12.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it's not that far away, at least on a US keyboard |
| 20:12.45 | Lunessa | I have large hands. :P |
| 20:12.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Kaso where's your ~ key? |
| 20:13.02 | sysrage | my tilde = sheep macro |
| 20:13.09 | Lunessa | On a US keyboard, it's the key to the left of 1/! |
| 20:13.15 | Kaydeethree | glad I don't have a mic. don't have to deal with vent foolishness |
| 20:13.33 | |Jelly| | me neither ...they still make me join so they can yell at me though |
| 20:13.58 | |Jelly| | Because as we all know, every wipe is the healer's fault. EVERY ONE. |
| 20:14.08 | sysrage | don't know why people don't like vent. makes the game more fun and a lot easier to tell ppl if something is behind them |
| 20:14.36 | Kaso | next to enter Shirik|AFK |
| 20:14.36 | |Jelly| | I can type as fast as I can talk and when I type shit, I don't have to wait for some moron to stop singing to talk. |
| 20:14.41 | sysrage | nothin like drunken late night vent conversations while doing heroics |
| 20:14.41 | Kaydeethree | I use vent, I just don't care enough to go out and buy a mic and set up alsa+wine+vent to work with it |
| 20:14.43 | Kaso | (enter/return) |
| 20:14.51 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 20:15.01 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah on US keyboard, it's literally just up and left of Q |
| 20:15.02 | sysrage | you can not type fast while still casting shit. |
| 20:15.04 | haste | and you have to hold down <alt gr> ! |
| 20:15.21 | Kaso | ive always used Mouse 3 anyway, best imo! |
| 20:15.32 | TC-Working | i use mouse 5 for vent |
| 20:15.35 | haste | at least I have to do: <alt gr>+<button to the top left of enter> :-( |
| 20:15.39 | |Jelly| | umm, i don't type when I'm casting...I don't talk either so it doesn't make much difference |
| 20:15.47 | TC-Working | mouse 4 will be ingame then |
| 20:15.52 | sysrage | wtf? how do you use mouse 5 for vent? when i tried binding that button vent wouldn't let me |
| 20:15.53 | Lunessa | I like Vent/Teamspeak for social reasons. And because in combat my slow typing gets people dead. :P |
| 20:16.22 | TC-Working | i dunno sysrage, i just have it under push-to-talk and it went in just fine |
| 20:16.23 | Shirik|Ecole | sysrage: You have to use direct |
| 20:16.29 | Shirik|Ecole | what's it called |
| 20:16.37 | sysrage | hmmm. will have to mess with that more tonight |
| 20:16.48 | Shirik|Ecole | DirectInput |
| 20:16.50 | Shirik|Ecole | that's what it's called |
| 20:16.59 | sysrage | thought i had that on.. guess not |
| 20:17.01 | Shirik|Ecole | you have to have DirectInput enabled or you won't be able to use advanced features |
| 20:17.16 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah I definitely use mouse 4 |
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| 20:20.07 | Lunessa | WTB: Trackball with more than three buttons, kthx. |
| 20:20.44 | zenzelezz | so I finally went and did heroic Steamvaults... and for some reason I had imagined that the tank cloak only dropped in heroic x.x |
| 20:20.51 | zenzelezz | at least it dropped anyway |
| 20:21.07 | TC-Working | sysrage http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1020/532177909_8bf46f9c45_o.jpg |
| 20:21.42 | sysrage | heh. i didn't doubt you. just coulda sworn i had tried directinput and still couldn't use my other mouse buttons |
| 20:22.02 | Polarina | Try OpenAL. |
| 20:22.05 | zenzelezz | maybe it depends on how your keyboard drivers are configured |
| 20:22.21 | TC-Working | you mean mouse drivers zenzelezz? |
| 20:22.23 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 20:22.26 | zenzelezz | I r smrt |
| 20:22.46 | zenzelezz | but yeah, my mouse drivers let me configure the extra buttons to act as keyboard buttons |
| 20:23.35 | TC-Working | plz flame http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108205095&sid=1 |
| 20:23.35 | zenzelezz | don't know if they get recognized as extra buttons then |
| 20:24.35 | |Jelly| | reason I stay out of general... |
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| 20:26.06 | |Jelly| | beautiful |
| 20:26.08 | Shirik|Ecole | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108234593&sid=1 |
| 20:26.10 | Shirik|Ecole | sad but true :( |
| 20:26.27 | |Jelly| | "No instance servers are available" Too bad that's where my bloody corpse is. |
| 20:26.56 | Lunessa | OUch |
| 20:27.06 | Shirik|Ecole | ouch |
| 20:27.11 | foxlit | "An additional Holy Priest brings no extra non-heal utility. |
| 20:27.16 | foxlit | What's in a lolwell? |
| 20:27.20 | |Jelly| | *shrug* my gear's down to 30% anyhow -- it's not really going well in the first place. |
| 20:27.23 | Shirik|Ecole | dude |
| 20:27.26 | Shirik|Ecole | that pos |
| 20:27.27 | Shirik|Ecole | omg |
| 20:27.32 | Shirik|Ecole | that and circle of healing |
| 20:27.34 | foxlit | It stacks. |
| 20:27.36 | |Jelly| | hey! I have lolwell! |
| 20:27.36 | Shirik|Ecole | worst designed talents EVAR |
| 20:27.40 | foxlit | Is my only point :P |
| 20:27.41 | |Jelly| | ...over lolnova |
| 20:27.44 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 20:27.45 | Shirik|Ecole | and lolnova |
| 20:27.45 | Shirik|Ecole | yah |
| 20:27.59 | Shirik|Ecole | however |
| 20:28.01 | |Jelly| | I kind of wish I had lol25 but I'd rather keep DS |
| 20:28.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I have heard of a holy priest using holy nova during strat |
| 20:28.08 | Shirik|Ecole | on baron |
| 20:28.12 | Shirik|Ecole | for the skeletons |
| 20:28.15 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:28.21 | |Jelly| | I used to lolnova all the time..... |
| 20:28.24 | |Jelly| | ....in ST and Mara |
| 20:28.26 | Shirik|Ecole | he had spirit tap too |
| 20:28.27 | Shirik|Ecole | so it was like |
| 20:28.30 | Shirik|Ecole | god. |
| 20:28.36 | Lunessa | I have 31 in Discipline and 30 in Holy. I don't think Holy is broken, I just didn't want lolwell. |
| 20:28.37 | Shirik|Ecole | every skeleton kill = spirit tap proc |
| 20:28.41 | |Jelly| | DPS Holy build : / |
| 20:28.44 | TC-Working | nova only really good for pvp |
| 20:29.19 | foxlit | Screams "keeel meee! keeeeeeeeeeeeel meeeeeeee!" too much for my liking |
| 20:29.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I wish my priest had that tabard |
| 20:29.58 | Shirik|Ecole | from the opening of the dark portal |
| 20:30.05 | Shirik|Ecole | so I could run around clicking it |
| 20:30.38 | Shirik|Ecole | making people think I had holy nova ^^ |
| 20:30.56 | Lunessa | I have one. I used to have lolnova. |
| 20:31.19 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:31.37 | Josh_Borke | i destroyed my tabard :-/ |
| 20:31.56 | foxlit | Got a cooldown, though |
| 20:32.06 | Kaydeethree | heh, it's funny freaking out someone in eots when a mage pops holy nova |
| 20:34.09 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:34.27 | Kaydeethree | I've lost count of the number of horde runners on their way to a tower stop running, turn and target me and just sit there for a half second before doing something. |
| 20:34.27 | Kaydeethree | great stalling tactic once a game |
| 20:34.42 | |Jelly| | What's the CD on it? |
| 20:35.15 | Kaydeethree | a lot |
| 20:35.32 | |Jelly| | they gotta keep it from being useful somehow, right? |
| 20:36.36 | Lunessa | Heh, it's a toy. Like vanity pets, someone will eventually figure out a decent use for it. Until then, enjoy it for eye-candy. |
| 20:36.58 | Shirik|Ecole | I love how everyone says priests are awesome at aoe healing |
| 20:37.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I want to be like |
| 20:37.04 | |Jelly| | "Lets put this neat clicky on the tabard for BC portal opening! I have an idea! Holy nova!" "But wouldn't that be overpowered?" "Nah...we'll instate a four hour cooldown!" "BRILLIANT!" *implement* |
| 20:37.09 | Shirik|Ecole | "When's the last time you needed an AoE heal" |
| 20:37.29 | Shirik|Ecole | the only time I ever hit prayer of healing |
| 20:37.30 | Josh_Borke | CD on tabard is like 5 minutes |
| 20:37.32 | Kaydeethree | it doesn't do anything anyway |
| 20:37.34 | Shirik|Ecole | is when I want to waste mana |
| 20:37.39 | Shirik|Ecole | or when I'm blowing inner focus |
| 20:37.45 | Kaydeethree | I sitll laugh at the fact that they made it an aoe effect, though |
| 20:37.49 | Lunessa | Last time I needed to heal 4 people at once to prevent a wipe? :P |
| 20:37.59 | Kaydeethree | perfect realization of what happened that last week before BC at the portal |
| 20:38.12 | Kaydeethree | that's all I was doing, spamming r1 IAE |
| 20:38.47 | foxlit | Karathress! |
| 20:38.54 | foxlit | Although not like you can sustain HN there |
| 20:39.47 | Josh_Borke | but we have CoH now! |
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| 20:41.22 | Lunessa | You know, when I read the description for Prayer of Mending I thought it was a stupid spell. Now I use it all the time and I love it. I think a lot of spells that people rag on are that way. Need to figure out good ways to use it, then they become an indispensable part of your tools. |
| 20:42.08 | Josh_Borke | damn, that bot note is old |
| 20:42.32 | Kaso | Lunessa, get back to be when you work out the good way to use coh :> |
| 20:43.13 | Josh_Borke | Lunessa: i'm shadow priest, so i don't know much, but it seems like AoE healing spells are very situational |
| 20:43.13 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: you here? |
| 20:43.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa: I can't find any good reason to accept lightwell as a good spell >< |
| 20:43.13 | Shirik|Ecole | But I completely agree, I can't wait for PoM |
| 20:43.14 | Shirik|Ecole | it's sexy |
| 20:43.14 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, yes |
| 20:43.14 | Lunessa | Kaso, I don't actually have CoH - I wanted too many things from too many places to get a 41 point talent. |
| 20:43.27 | Kaso | I dont blame you, it sucks :> |
| 20:43.46 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: how would you feel about me embedding more of the libraries you wrote? |
| 20:43.56 | Lunessa | Shirik - I'm not sure I do either, but I bet some people find it very useful. *shrug* |
| 20:43.59 | Shirik|Ecole | it's good for after wipes ^^ |
| 20:44.08 | Shirik|Ecole | rez everyone and let them heal themselves :P |
| 20:44.11 | |Jelly| | PoM is sooo sex |
| 20:44.14 | Kaydeethree | meh, our shamans just spam chain heal |
| 20:44.22 | Kaydeethree | after wipes, at least |
| 20:44.44 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, which ones? |
| 20:46.03 | wereHamster | can someone make purl stop nagging me everytime I join this channel? |
| 20:46.10 | TC-Working | no |
| 20:46.19 | TC-Working | purls and ass like me |
| 20:46.25 | foxlit | purl, keep nagging wereHamster |
| 20:46.26 | TC-Working | s/and/an/ |
| 20:47.05 | wereHamster | it's simple.. I'll just never leave |
| 20:47.24 | TC-Working | works for us |
| 20:48.32 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, all my addons that can be embeddded are done, I didn't write that many and I don't know of any addon that could be embedded and isn't |
| 20:48.59 | Josh_Borke | i believe it's iFrameManager |
| 20:50.04 | Josh_Borke | someone kick werehamster |
| 20:50.38 | Josh_Borke | :-D part/join wereHamster |
| 20:52.17 | wereHamster | the problem is.. it has an UI element (the button around the minimap, which I hate btw, but people wanted it), and because it's created in a xml file, the addon can't be embedded.. or at least that's what I believe |
| 20:53.46 | wereHamster | .. but if you can work around this, fine, go ahead :) |
| 20:53.46 | zenzelezz | make the button an optional dependency ;-o |
| 20:53.58 | wereHamster | dependency hell? |
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| 20:54.32 | wereHamster | as long as something makes sense, just do it |
| 20:55.31 | wereHamster | nowadays I'm more working on seom/yukon and don't have time to play stupid games :P |
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| 20:55.54 | zenzelezz | working on who? |
| 20:56.06 | wereHamster | jfgi? |
| 20:58.54 | TC-Working | wha? |
| 20:59.38 | wereHamster|zZz | "yukon/seom" gives the best results :) |
| 21:10.15 | Josh_Borke | hrm, can't really properly embed XML |
| 21:10.42 | Josh_Borke | ooo, realtime videos? |
| 21:10.52 | Josh_Borke | do you know how sweet it would be to watch a world first live? |
| 21:14.01 | foxlit | Hm, that should be a Lua project |
| 21:14.11 | foxlit | Write a WoW-XML parser in WoW-Lua |
| 21:15.01 | Polarina | Can I send binary data with SendAddonMessage()? |
| 21:15.53 | Josh_Borke | binary data? like what? |
| 21:16.14 | foxlit | Yes |
| 21:16.20 | Kaso | string.char() ? |
| 21:16.33 | Polarina | 0x00 to 0xFF.. |
| 21:16.39 | Shirik|AFK | Polarina: The only thing you can't do is include a tab inside the prefix |
| 21:16.48 | Shirik | however |
| 21:16.51 | Shirik | I wouldn't send a 0x00 |
| 21:16.53 | foxlit | Wouldn't that just void the prefix? |
| 21:16.54 | Shirik | this is how C terminates strings |
| 21:16.55 | Josh_Borke | however |
| 21:16.57 | Polarina | But the message it self, not the prefix, I can send everything? |
| 21:16.59 | Josh_Borke | I wouldn't send a 0x00 |
| 21:17.00 | ckknight | Polarina: no, not quite |
| 21:17.02 | Josh_Borke | this is how C terminates strings |
| 21:17.08 | Polarina | Shirik: Lua doesn't use 0x00 to terminate strings. |
| 21:17.12 | Shirik | Right, but C does |
| 21:17.12 | ckknight | Polarina: there's a few things that won't go across the stream properly. |
| 21:17.17 | Josh_Borke | Right, but C does |
| 21:17.30 | Polarina | So, what's the problem? |
| 21:17.31 | ckknight | Polarina: \000, \010, \124 |
| 21:17.44 | Shirik | Polarina: If you think you don't touch C in your code, you're very wrong |
| 21:17.51 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: If you think you don't touch C in your code, you're very wrong |
| 21:17.52 | Shirik | transmissions, APIs, they're all C code |
| 21:17.55 | zenzelezz | echo... |
| 21:18.01 | Josh_Borke | echo.. |
| 21:18.02 | Polarina | I'll try it out myself! |
| 21:18.07 | Polarina | First none of you can answer. |
| 21:18.19 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: that always works best |
| 21:18.26 | Josh_Borke | you get greater understanding that way |
| 21:18.27 | Shirik | Polarina: ckknight answered you |
| 21:18.33 | Shirik | as did I |
| 21:18.45 | TC-Working | i didnt |
| 21:18.50 | Josh_Borke | I didnt |
| 21:19.18 | ckknight | AceComm sends in a binary format |
| 21:19.20 | foxlit | wtb: function to insert space at every 50th character of a string |
| 21:19.37 | Josh_Borke | lol, wee! it's like a free ride |
| 21:19.38 | Shirik | foxlit: string.grep? |
| 21:19.45 | Shirik | string.gmatch * |
| 21:19.55 | Punkie` | haha |
| 21:19.56 | foxlit | .gsub * ? |
| 21:19.58 | Shirik | ya |
| 21:19.59 | Shirik | that one |
| 21:20.01 | Shirik | <M |
| 21:20.02 | Shirik | >< |
| 21:20.06 | Josh_Borke | <M? |
| 21:20.12 | Josh_Borke | did you get punched in the eye? |
| 21:20.13 | TC-Working | less than M |
| 21:20.14 | foxlit | Lua has no way to specify length, though? |
| 21:20.22 | foxlit | So string.rep(".", 50) ? |
| 21:20.23 | TC-Working | err...greater than |
| 21:20.24 | Shirik | yeah! |
| 21:20.32 | Shirik | well |
| 21:20.37 | Punkie` | I'll have whatever Josh_Borke's been eating/drinking |
| 21:20.38 | Josh_Borke | who punched you? it was purl, wasn't it? |
| 21:20.45 | Shirik | yeah it was |
| 21:20.45 | Kaso | omg! so thats what the g in gmatch and gsub and whatnot stands for! |
| 21:20.47 | Polarina | I can send any data with SendAddonMessage!! |
| 21:20.48 | TC-Working | ~punch Shirik |
| 21:20.59 | purl | ACTION hits Shirik like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 21:20.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:20.59 | ckknight | foxlit: local tmp = {}; function pants(s) for i = 1, #s, 50 do tmp[#tmp+1] = s:sub(i, i + 49) end; local result = table.concat(tmp, ' '); for i = 1, #tmp do tmp[i] = nil end; return result end |
| 21:20.59 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: keep going? |
| 21:21.13 | TC-Working | uhh... |
| 21:21.15 | foxlit | pants? |
| 21:21.17 | Shirik | Polarina: Didn't I say this to you about 5 minutes ago? |
| 21:21.18 | Shirik | 17:16:50 ‹Shirik|AFK› Polarina: The only thing you can't do is include a tab inside the prefix |
| 21:21.32 | pastamancer | Shirik: you're just imagining things |
| 21:21.33 | ckknight | foxlit: that's the function that'll do it for you in a relatively efficient manner |
| 21:21.45 | Shirik | lol pants |
| 21:21.47 | Shirik | I like that name |
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| 21:22.21 | Shirik | though it would be interesting to see which goes faster |
| 21:22.27 | Shirik | string.gsub or pants |
| 21:22.35 | Shirik | and if string length would be a factor |
| 21:22.55 | Shirik | thing is string.gsub is handled entirely c-side, whereas pants does a bit of work lua-side |
| 21:23.08 | Josh_Borke | function foo(bar) local baz for i=51,string.len(bar) do baz = baz .. string.sub(bar, i - 50, i) end end? |
| 21:23.15 | Josh_Borke | fuck if i know. how would you do it with gsub though? |
| 21:23.32 | zenzelezz | so I went to Darnassus (from Shattrath) to fly to Un'goro... and all the people I see are 20-30s draenei shamans |
| 21:23.40 | Josh_Borke | so I went to Darnassus (from Shattrath) to fly to Un'goro... and all the people I see are 20-30s draenei shamans |
| 21:23.48 | foxlit | >>> "no cide?" |
| 21:23.49 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: Let me double check before I answer you |
| 21:23.57 | Shirik | foxlit: true |
| 21:24.02 | Josh_Borke | gsub(string, sub, pattern) |
| 21:24.08 | foxlit | >>> K THNX BAI |
| 21:24.14 | zenzelezz | so what's the story with the echo? |
| 21:24.20 | Josh_Borke | so what's the story with the echo? |
| 21:24.27 | Josh_Borke | i see no echo |
| 21:24.28 | Shirik | about a week ago, I accused Josh_Borke as being my clone |
| 21:24.30 | Shirik | ever since then |
| 21:24.31 | Josh_Borke | does anyone else? |
| 21:24.36 | Punkie` | What echo? |
| 21:24.45 | zenzelezz | I'd believe you if you didn't occasionally miss a capitalization Josh |
| 21:24.51 | Josh_Borke | I'd believe you if you didn't occasionally miss a capitalization Josh |
| 21:24.59 | Shirik | Kaso: Yeah :) |
| 21:25.25 | Josh_Borke | the funny part is i was typing it for a long time |
| 21:25.28 | TC-Working | ~mute Josh_Borke |
| 21:25.34 | purl | ACTION seals Josh_Borke's mouth and says, 'What good is IRC if you are unable to speak?' |
| 21:25.34 | Josh_Borke | then Mikk mentioned copy/paste |
| 21:25.36 | Punkie` | haha |
| 21:25.42 | Kaso | hu? what was that in responses to Shirik ? |
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| 21:25.58 | Shirik | 17:20:57 ‹Kaso› omg! so thats what the g in gmatch and gsub and whatnot stands for! |
| 21:26.05 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:26.17 | Kaso | well, im assuming "global" as in the g in grep |
| 21:26.36 | Josh_Borke | oh i know! |
| 21:26.53 | Punkie` | what about the g in grope? |
| 21:26.57 | Josh_Borke | string.gsub(str, (<50 .>), \1..'.') |
| 21:27.06 | Shirik | btw Josh_Borke: |
| 21:27.07 | Shirik | > =string.gsub("123456789012345678901234567890", "(.....)", "%1!") |
| 21:27.07 | Shirik | 12345!67890!12345!67890!12345!67890! 6 |
| 21:27.15 | Shirik | puts a ! after every 5th character |
| 21:27.17 | Josh_Borke | yea, i just figured it out :-P |
| 21:27.53 | foxlit | Confirm my math silliness |
| 21:27.53 | Josh_Borke | man, there must be an echo in here :-P |
| 21:27.53 | foxlit | 231584178474632390847141970017375815706539969331281128078915168015826259279871 base 10 |
| 21:27.54 | foxlit | (2 ^ 257 - 1) |
| 21:28.04 | Shirik | tell me what 2^258 is |
| 21:28.05 | Shirik | and I'll answer you |
| 21:28.08 | foxlit | Is going to be how long, if each digit represented one of 10^7 values? |
| 21:29.06 | foxlit | i.e. convert from base 10 to base 10^7, give length in "digits" |
| 21:29.37 | Shirik | base 10^7? |
| 21:29.57 | Kaydeethree | 2^258 = 463168356949264781694283940034751631413079938662562256157830336031652518559744 |
| 21:30.01 | Kaydeethree | <3 my 89 |
| 21:30.25 | Polarina | 3,14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 |
| 21:30.31 | foxlit | Yes, base 10^7. |
| 21:30.33 | Josh_Borke | purl, what's 2^258 |
| 21:30.46 | Josh_Borke | purl, 2^257 |
| 21:30.50 | purl | 259 |
| 21:30.54 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:30.55 | foxlit | btw, neat stuff: http://gmplib.org/cgi-bin/gmp_calc.pl?expr= |
| 21:31.00 | DT__ | Sorry to interupt all the mathiness but is it possible to create bindings w/o xml? I mean, I know you can set bindings with SetBindingSpell/Item/Click/Macro/etc, but can I get it to show up in the keybinding interface? |
| 21:31.01 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:31.01 | foxlit | purl, 1^1 |
| 21:31.12 | foxlit | DT: no. |
| 21:31.16 | Josh_Borke | DT__: no |
| 21:31.21 | Josh_Borke | wait |
| 21:31.29 | Josh_Borke | DT__: no. <-- had to throw in the . like f oxlit |
| 21:31.30 | foxlit | Either you use Bindings.xml, or you write your own configuration UI |
| 21:31.43 | DT__ | k, thanks |
| 21:31.58 | Shirik | isn't |
| 21:32.03 | Shirik | converting from base 10 to base 10& |
| 21:32.07 | Shirik | 10^7 |
| 21:32.13 | Shirik | just dividing by 7? |
| 21:32.23 | foxlit | And ceiling |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | ugh |
| 21:32.54 | Shirik | I don't have my dragon12 board and don't want to calculate that >< |
| 21:33.44 | Shirik | do you know what ceil((2^258-1)/7) is? |
| 21:34.17 | foxlit | Where's this 258 coming from? :) |
| 21:34.43 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:34.44 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 21:34.57 | Shirik | s/ do you know what ceil((2^258-1)/7) is?/do you know what ceil((2^257-1)/7) is?/ |
| 21:34.57 | TC-Working | octave> ceil((2^258-1)/7) |
| 21:34.57 | TC-Working | ans = 6.6167e+76 |
| 21:34.58 | TC-Working | ? |
| 21:35.13 | foxlit | log10 |
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| 21:35.31 | foxlit | I actually wanted to know what the maximum value of an unsigned 256-bit integer was; so hence 2^257-1 |
| 21:35.32 | Kaydeethree | 66166908135609254527754848576393090201868562666080322308216476575950359794249 |
| 21:35.36 | TC-Working | octave> ceil((2^257-1)/7) |
| 21:35.36 | TC-Working | ans = 3.3083e+76 |
| 21:35.56 | foxlit | ceil(floor(log10(2^257-1))/7) |
| 21:36.02 | Shirik | ceil floor? |
| 21:36.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:36.06 | Shirik | I se |
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| 21:36.19 | TC-Working | octave> ceil(floor(log10(2^257-1))/7) |
| 21:36.19 | TC-Working | ans = 11 |
| 21:36.24 | foxlit | I may or may not have missed a +1 |
| 21:36.40 | Shirik | what is this octave? |
| 21:36.41 | foxlit | TC, does that take base 16? |
| 21:36.47 | TC-Working | http://www.online-utility.org/math/math_calculator.jsp |
| 21:36.48 | foxlit | See if I can choke it! |
| 21:37.19 | foxlit | octave> 256 ^ 256 % 256 |
| 21:37.19 | foxlit | ans = Inf |
| 21:37.24 | foxlit | qq? |
| 21:37.32 | Shirik | octave> pi |
| 21:37.32 | Shirik | pi = 3.1416 |
| 21:37.33 | Shirik | not very accurate :( |
| 21:38.13 | foxlit | Though % isn't actually mod |
| 21:38.22 | foxlit | octave> 256 ^ 256 |
| 21:38.22 | foxlit | ans = Inf |
| 21:38.38 | Polarina | pi = 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 |
| 21:39.19 | foxlit | pi = too long for most things |
| 21:39.31 | foxlit | pi is exactly 3! |
| 21:39.57 | Josh_Borke | i thought it was closer to 4? |
| 21:39.57 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 21:39.59 | cogwheel|work | I only know it through 8327950 |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik | There was a time when the state of lousiana had it written into law that pi was sqrt(16)/3 |
| 21:40.25 | Josh_Borke | i thought they only voted to make it 3 |
| 21:40.33 | foxlit | "While being completely false, saying "pi is exactly 3!" is sure to get the attention of any scientist. A scientist will turn his/her head at the sound of something blatantly incorrect, and immediately start thinking about how to respond." |
| 21:40.51 | Shirik | hehe |
| 21:41.52 | zenzelezz | I recall seeing that thing on Simpsons |
| 21:42.19 | foxlit | everything2.com is one interesting website |
| 21:42.23 | Lunessa | pi r round and > cake |
| 21:42.33 | Thorarin | Shirik, pi = 1 1/3? :P |
| 21:42.43 | Shirik | louisiana had passed that law :P |
| 21:42.46 | Shirik | it was later revoked |
| 21:42.52 | Shirik | no wait I remember |
| 21:42.54 | Shirik | the house passed it |
| 21:42.56 | Shirik | senate denied it |
| 21:43.04 | Shadowed | Well how nice |
| 21:43.09 | Shadowed | alt tabbing is broken now worse then before |
| 21:43.11 | Thorarin | 1 1/3rd... |
| 21:43.16 | Thorarin | Must be pi in inches or smt ;) |
| 21:43.18 | foxlit | i e (at) pi |
| 21:43.49 | Kaydeethree | I wanna see a bill banning dihydrogen monoxide make it to the head legislator's desk to get signed in to law |
| 21:44.07 | Lunessa | It was narrowly defeated in California. |
| 21:44.30 | Cairenn|afk | *blink* |
| 21:44.46 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 21:44.47 | Shirik | it was indiana |
| 21:44.48 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 21:44.49 | Shirik | http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html |
| 21:45.07 | Thorarin | Hehe, chemistry class in highschool used to have an article about H2O being very dangerous! |
| 21:45.15 | Shirik | (1) The ratio of the diameter of a circle to its circumference is 5/4 to 4. In other words, pi equals 16/5 or 3.2 |
| 21:45.22 | Shirik | (2) The area of a circle equals the area of a square whose side is 1/4 the circumference of the circle. Working this out algebraically, we see that pi must be equal to 4. |
| 21:45.28 | Thorarin | One bucket full was enough to kill thousands of people, etc ;) |
| 21:45.28 | Shirik | (3) The ratio of the length of a 90 degree arc to the length of a segment connecting the arc's two endpoints is 8 to 7. This gives us pi equal to the square root of 2 x 16/7, or about 3.23. |
| 21:49.15 | Kaydeethree | so which logical fallacy were you blinking at, cai? |
| 21:49.38 | Shirik | I think she was just blown away by all of it |
| 21:49.39 | zenzelezz | I think she was just flirting |
| 21:49.42 | Shirik | we might have killed her actually :( |
| 21:49.50 | Cairenn|afk | Kaydeethree: yours |
| 21:49.58 | Kaydeethree | banning water? |
| 21:50.00 | Shirik | yey you're alive <3 |
| 21:50.11 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 21:50.16 | Cairenn|afk | and yes, I am |
| 21:50.20 | TC-Working | 256 ^ 256 = 3.23170060713110073E+616 |
| 21:50.52 | Cairenn|afk | Kaydeethree: what's really disturbing is that some law makers are stupid enough that they wouldn't know what it was and might actually try to pass it :p |
| 21:51.03 | Cairenn|afk | all joking aside |
| 21:52.05 | Lunessa | Someone saw the DHMO website and freaked. Contacted their senator in Sacramento, and soon a law was drafted. No one ever cracked a dictionary or asked someone who graduated High School without using Cliff Notes what DHMO really was. |
| 21:52.20 | Shirik | DHMO? |
| 21:52.25 | Cairenn|afk | you serious? they actually tried to ban it? |
| 21:52.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:52.31 | Shirik | di-hydro-monoxide? |
| 21:52.32 | Shirik | ha |
| 21:52.34 | Lunessa | Seriously. |
| 21:52.35 | Cairenn|afk | dihydrogen monoxygen |
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| 21:52.44 | Lunessa | Shall I google up the articles? |
| 21:52.52 | Cairenn|afk | no, that's okay, I believe you |
| 21:53.00 | Shirik | DHMO can store a lot of energy too |
| 21:53.10 | Cairenn|afk | as I said above, there are folks that are so stupid that they really wouldn't know |
| 21:53.12 | Lunessa | I almost died from laughter when I read it. |
| 21:53.16 | Shirik | its specific heat capacity is over 4 kilojoules per degree celsius! |
| 21:53.29 | Shirik | (4186 iirc) |
| 21:53.45 | Cairenn|afk | and sorry, you don't even need a HS diploma to know what it is, at least here in Canada - we know what H2O is in Elementary |
| 21:53.46 | Shirik | 4184* |
| 21:53.55 | Lunessa | In vaporized form, it can burn skin and muscle tissue! |
| 21:54.04 | Shirik | !! |
| 21:54.20 | Lunessa | Yes, here too usually... but some people, well, they're just *stupid*. |
| 21:54.26 | zenzelezz | I think there's a slightly bigger chance they know H2O than "dihydrogen" and "monoxide" |
| 21:54.48 | Shirik | people hear "monoxide" and immediately associate with carbon monoxide |
| 21:55.40 | Lunessa | When I first saw it, someone said there's this chemical, DHMO, and I hear it's bad. |
| 21:55.47 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 21:56.12 | Cairenn|afk | well and if you condense it, you can use it to destroy, it'll shatter anything |
| 21:56.15 | Lunessa | I'm glad I at least passed enough chem to get a laugh out of it. |
| 21:56.57 | Lunessa | Accumulations of DHMO over time are responsible for species extinction and extensive damage to soil, and geological formations. |
| 21:57.05 | Cairenn|afk | is there anything that can stand against enough frozen water inside it? |
| 21:57.55 | Lunessa | mmm... can't think of anything that won't distort at the very least. |
| 21:58.34 | TC-Working | finialy got it 256 ^ 256 = http://wowi.pastey.net/52076 |
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| 21:59.52 | sysrage | WEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 22:00.03 | Shirik | evening dolby-wowi |
| 22:00.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Polarina (n=Polarina@85-220-27-184.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is) |
| 22:01.51 | sysrage | fixed flickering terrain eh? nice |
| 22:02.07 | sysrage | well. would be nice if their stupid torrent patcher system wasn't utter shite |
| 22:02.57 | Kaydeethree | WoWTorrentEx.exe and hand the resulting .torrent to azureus |
| 22:03.00 | Kaydeethree | works for me |
| 22:03.19 | sysrage | i should.. but i'm lazy. |
| 22:03.24 | sysrage | heh i just don't like torrents in general |
| 22:03.53 | DT__ | If you keep closing and restarting the downloader it'll go a lot faster, at least it does for me |
| 22:04.05 | DT__ | It almost immediately downloads another small bit at the beginning |
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| 22:04.25 | cogwheel|work | Are RAZRs really all that? I just got an offer for a free one if I extend my contract... |
| 22:05.03 | |Jelly| | They're not bad |
| 22:05.09 | [dRaCo] | well, I dont like the software |
| 22:05.11 | |Jelly| | but you have to keep them clean or shit will get under the screen |
| 22:05.25 | [dRaCo] | it's slow |
| 22:05.38 | zenzelezz | what's a RAZR? |
| 22:05.48 | [dRaCo] | motorola razr |
| 22:05.57 | [dRaCo] | like, a mobile phone |
| 22:05.59 | |Jelly| | http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.jsp?globalObjectId=69 |
| 22:06.13 | zenzelezz | mobile phone... I had one of those once |
| 22:06.36 | |Jelly| | Cog: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108325039&sid=1 Is she serious? I mean really... |
| 22:07.24 | cogwheel|work | probably :\ |
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| 22:07.57 | Lunessa | She's serious. And not reading. |
| 22:08.03 | |Jelly| | I love how she completely disregarded what you said...and me telling her to use what you said... and continued to use the macro that wont work. |
| 22:08.04 | DDPho2 | Hi, when exactly does WoW say an addon is incompatible?/how do i find out why it is incompatible?/how do i fix it? |
| 22:08.16 | |Jelly| | It's not updated for 2.0 |
| 22:08.21 | DDPho2 | yeah |
| 22:08.21 | Lunessa | |Jelly| http://www.blackberrypearl.com/ |
| 22:08.25 | DDPho2 | but whats the difference |
| 22:08.30 | DDPho2 | between updated for 2.0 and not |
| 22:08.32 | |Jelly| | Umm...a lot? |
| 22:08.46 | |Jelly| | Sorry. I'm probably not the best person to answer that. : / |
| 22:08.52 | foxlit | Codestuffs |
| 22:09.00 | DDPho2 | thats funny :D last time i was here i was told there wasnt much changed in 2.0 so i can use pre 2.0 tutorials |
| 22:09.01 | DDPho2 | Oo |
| 22:09.14 | foxlit | That depends on what the tutorials were about |
| 22:09.16 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I use my phone to talk, text and get movie times. I don't need a laptop in my pocket. 8P |
| 22:09.38 | |Jelly| | ....unless it can play wow. |
| 22:09.39 | Lunessa | 2.0 introduce the concept of Secure Code and Tainting - lots of things are different from Pre-2.0 |
| 22:09.40 | |Jelly| | ...with mods! |
| 22:09.48 | foxlit | There are few major changes to Lua in 2.0, but there are a few WoW-related areas that were completely redesigned in order to block addons from making decisions on the players' behalf |
| 22:09.55 | DDPho2 | short: i have a mod and want to get it to work with 2.0 :D |
| 22:10.04 | foxlit | ~seen Shirik |
| 22:10.57 | purl | shirik is currently on #wowi-lounge (2d 1h 16m 52s). Has said a total of 625 messages. Is idling for 10m 54s, last said: 'evening dolby-wowi'. |
| 22:10.58 | |Jelly| | Short: What mod? |
| 22:10.58 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
| 22:10.58 | DDPho2 | Sudoku |
| 22:10.58 | foxlit | Change toc and hope it works? |
| 22:10.58 | DDPho2 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5994-SudokuPuzzle.html |
| 22:11.13 | zenzelezz | that reminds me of when my guild did a weekly MC last summer for the Geddon binding |
| 22:11.24 | zenzelezz | "I'm on poker" *half the raid joins* |
| 22:11.26 | DDPho2 | so are there any post 2.0 tutorials about making ui's and stuff? |
| 22:11.46 | foxlit | Shirik: ping |
| 22:11.47 | DDPho2 | zenzelezz: hehe |
| 22:11.51 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Apparently when I registered earlier, it didn't...you know...take so I still can't send you messages. I'll log out and back in in a minute. |
| 22:11.52 | Kaso | DDPho2 what errors do you get. thats a good start |
| 22:12.09 | Shirik | foxlit: sup |
| 22:12.25 | DT__ | I don't think he's getting any errors, it just won't load the addon because the interface number is pre-2.0 |
| 22:12.34 | |Jelly| | *sigh* I never understood why people want to play a game inside a game -- if you're bored, quit playing wow and do something else. lol |
| 22:12.53 | foxlit | http://crystal.digifort.com/prism.zip |
| 22:13.31 | Kaso | My guild-master was working on a Azeroth-EK RISK game, never finished though :< |
| 22:13.35 | DT__ | Yeah, ## Interface: 11200 |
| 22:14.21 | foxlit | WC3 in WoW! |
| 22:14.27 | Kaso | ha |
| 22:16.06 | Shirik | foxlit: Will look at it when I'm not healing >< |
| 22:17.46 | |Jelly| | How many groups have wiped due to your IRC, Shirik? |
| 22:17.54 | |Jelly| | ...I know at least two for me. *innocent look* |
| 22:18.02 | Shirik | I only type when I know everything's ok ^^ |
| 22:18.17 | |Jelly| | eh...I type at the beginning of fights |
| 22:18.23 | |Jelly| | (before the fight, rather0 |
| 22:18.34 | |Jelly| | But that doesn't mean they're going to stupid pull while I'm typing. hehe |
| 22:19.02 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10406 |
| 22:19.07 | |Jelly| | they're [not] going |
| 22:19.11 | Lunessa | There are two kinds of groups in WoW - good ones and everything else. |
| 22:19.52 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/test5.png -- the beginning of the RISK game. |
| 22:20.00 | Cairenn|afk | if anyone is interested in PotBS, check out the link I just posted |
| 22:20.56 | zenzelezz | I wish publishers didn't keep thinking up new MMOs every time they watch a movie |
| 22:21.02 | |Jelly| | I like when PoM jumps from the tank and never jumps again -- those are my favorite groups. Or if the mob AEs, it bounces between the tank and melee dps. Makes life easy knowing that I'm not going to, at any second, have to chain spam heal everyone and then accept blame when we wipe because XXXXXXX |
| 22:21.03 | Shirik | actually |
| 22:21.07 | Shirik | PotBS has been going a long time |
| 22:21.15 | Shirik | far before pirates of the carribean |
| 22:21.25 | zenzelezz | I was speaking more generally |
| 22:21.31 | Shirik | but yeah it's true |
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| 22:21.56 | |Jelly| | LotRO |
| 22:22.11 | foxlit | Question |
| 22:22.16 | foxlit | Isn't allakhazam owned by IGE? |
| 22:22.23 | Cairenn|afk | no |
| 22:22.30 | Lunessa | Not, apparently, anymore. |
| 22:22.36 | Cairenn|afk | not ever |
| 22:22.50 | DT__ | They bought Thottbot didn't they? Not Allakhzam |
| 22:22.53 | Shirik | people like to say, when they don't like something |
| 22:22.56 | Shirik | that it's owned by ige |
| 22:23.03 | Shirik | and this is how rumors start |
| 22:23.05 | Lunessa | There was some sort of business relationship, but I'm not entirely clear on the structure. |
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| 22:23.40 | Lunessa | But as with all things that start with isn't X owned by IGE, check your sources. :P |
| 22:23.43 | foxlit | searching gives an allakhazam quote: "We are now owned by a company that owns a bunch of stuff, including IGE. They bought both of us (and several other sites as well) and then split us into separate divisions so that there is no interaction between them. You know my stand on gold selling. Before agreeing to anything like this, I wanted to make sure that there would be no interaction between those divisions and that I would have comp |
| 22:24.00 | foxlit | (that probably got cut off, give me the last few words and I can repaste if it sounds interesting) |
| 22:24.03 | Kody- | Thottbot is part of the same network as Allakhazam DT__ |
| 22:24.22 | cogwheel|work | foxlit: I would have comp |
| 22:24.44 | foxlit | I would have complete control over the new network, including the sites that used to be part of ogaming. So this means that the Ogaming sites and Thottbot have been split off of IGE and into our network and no longer have any connection with them." |
| 22:25.48 | Kody- | Basically, IGE created a larger corporation entity so that Thottbot etc wouldn't be branded as "owned by IGE" |
| 22:25.48 | clad|afk | *sigh* |
| 22:25.48 | clad|afk | what brings this drama up today? |
| 22:25.48 | cladhaire | here's how it ends "It doesn't matter" |
| 22:25.49 | cladhaire | there! I saved us four hours |
| 22:25.49 | Lunessa | :D |
| 22:25.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:25.51 | Cairenn|afk | Kody-: wrong, but whatever |
| 22:26.00 | |Jelly| | Arrrghhh! Arguuuument on t3h inTARwebs! |
| 22:26.13 | foxlit | I'm not sure I like the conclusion |
| 22:26.20 | cladhaire | |Jelly|: There's no argument. There are people who know, and people who are guessing. |
| 22:26.23 | Lunessa | <--- Still a Mod over at EQ traders, which was sent offers from IGE and other entities, but turned them all down. |
| 22:26.39 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 22:26.45 | |Jelly| | All this EQ talk recently |
| 22:26.50 | |Jelly| | I think I threw up a little. |
| 22:27.22 | cladhaire | Lunessa: What credential does that give you? |
| 22:27.28 | cladhaire | or was that more for information than anythign else |
| 22:29.19 | Lunessa | Just info, not creditial. |
| 22:29.19 | Lunessa | credential |
| 22:29.36 | cladhaire | k k |
| 22:29.36 | cladhaire | was hoping so :P |
| 22:29.57 | Lunessa | I don't care who buys or sells what companies; it the long run all that matters is the service or product. :P |
| 22:30.10 | cladhaire | word |
| 22:30.34 | foxlit | And that's why China handles most manufacturing for us :) |
| 22:30.57 | Lunessa | My politics or personal distaste are never really worth spouting on the 'net. All I do is make enemies out of friends that way. |
| 22:32.02 | |Jelly| | True. Freaking. That. |
| 22:35.28 | cogwheel|work | meh... I'd rather have well-informed enemies than ignorant friends :P |
| 22:36.04 | Lunessa | Oh, I'm all for sharing reasoned debate... just not my prejudices or less-than-well-informed opinions. |
| 22:36.12 | foxlit | Now _that_ is an ugly argument :) |
| 22:36.32 | |Jelly| | Cog -- I love your new sig. |
| 22:36.42 | Shirik | what is it? |
| 22:36.52 | |Jelly| | "Never confuse verbosity for kindness or terseness for hostility." |
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| 22:38.16 | foxlit | So I finished my Lua digital signature project, more or less |
| 22:38.25 | cogwheel|work | cool :) |
| 22:39.23 | foxlit | Not sure what to do with the source, since it's potentially interesting to like 7 people. |
| 22:40.14 | Kaso | you gotta release it, maybe alot of people dont have a real use for it, but sounds fun to play with |
| 22:40.51 | foxlit | Turnaround time for 2048-bit keys isn't impressive :P |
| 22:41.11 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:41.15 | Shirik | it's interesting to me :D |
| 22:42.04 | DDPho2 | Kaso: it says incompatible so you cant activate it, and i wanna learn making addons xD |
| 22:42.27 | ckknight | foxlit: yea, I wanna see it |
| 22:42.30 | Kaso | well updating the toc and running it is a good start |
| 22:42.41 | Kaso | check out wowwiki's interface section DDPho2. |
| 22:42.46 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 22:42.57 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 22:43.01 | Kaso | Also that faraframes tutorial is a good start, abite a bit old. |
| 22:43.04 | |Jelly| | Buy Clad's book. : / |
| 22:44.42 | TC-Working | id |
| 22:44.45 | TC-Working | i did* |
| 22:45.02 | Arrowmaster | Kaso: i think your KasoBubbles could use some tables optimization, ive noticed it get up to 5mb of memory usage |
| 22:45.09 | Shirik | what?! |
| 22:45.10 | Shirik | 5?! |
| 22:45.18 | |Jelly| | zomg! |
| 22:45.22 | Kaso | it is a pretty un-efficent addon |
| 22:45.43 | DDPho2 | hm ill have a look at it, thanks |
| 22:45.54 | Kaso | lemme take a look at it, been a while since i looked at that addon |
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| 22:47.23 | Arrowmaster | probably just move the local tables out of the functions and do a for k,v in pairs(table) do table[k] = nil end |
| 22:47.32 | Arrowmaster | at the end of the functions |
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| 22:48.01 | Shirik | what does this KasoBubbles do? |
| 22:48.23 | Josh_Borke | bye for now |
| 22:48.23 | Kaso | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7017.jpg |
| 22:48.28 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: seriously, though, why? |
| 22:48.28 | Kaso | that one screenshot sums it up |
| 22:48.31 | Cairenn|afk | bye Josh_Borke |
| 22:48.33 | Shirik | There is no good reason to do that |
| 22:48.43 | Shirik | You're wasting CPU cycles to save memory which will just be picked up by GC anyway |
| 22:48.57 | Arrowmaster | but it doesnt get picked up by GC |
| 22:49.09 | Shirik | yes it does, just not immediately |
| 22:49.29 | Shirik | Kaso: That's pretty cool :) |
| 22:50.00 | Shirik | I actually didn't even know the UI has control over that |
| 22:50.05 | Kaso | It used to be like that in default Shirik in like 1.3 or something, then they removed it |
| 22:50.16 | |Jelly| | Wait. What? |
| 22:50.22 | |Jelly| | Shirik didn't...*world explodes* |
| 22:50.32 | Shirik | I know very little, actually |
| 22:50.36 | foxlit | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/8018/ |
| 22:50.36 | foxlit | There |
| 22:50.50 | Shirik | I refuse to download it |
| 22:50.51 | Shirik | it's on curse |
| 22:50.55 | foxlit | Tough |
| 22:50.56 | Kaso | Speech bubbles and Nameplates, if theres something i "specialised in" its that |
| 22:51.13 | DT__ | It's on WowI also: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6862-KasoBubbles.html |
| 22:51.22 | |Jelly| | 8( My UI's on Curse. |
| 22:51.26 | Shirik | evil! |
| 22:51.29 | Kaso | DT__ he was talking about Prism. |
| 22:51.32 | DT__ | Oh |
| 22:51.34 | foxlit | I don't support your cursehate :) |
| 22:51.34 | DT__ | My bad >.> |
| 22:51.52 | |Jelly| | I will admit that I bloody HATE Curse's search. |
| 22:52.03 | Shirik | switch to wowi imo |
| 22:52.09 | |Jelly| | I use all three. |
| 22:52.12 | |Jelly| | "all" |
| 22:52.24 | foxlit | In this case, I cba with admin approval |
| 22:52.34 | |Jelly| | I suppose four if you count ace |
| 22:54.30 | foxlit | Curse versioning system is <3 |
| 22:55.16 | cladhaire | foxlit: what do you mean "with admin approval |
| 22:55.17 | cladhaire | ? |
| 22:56.17 | foxlit | There's a chunk of time between upload and public availability. |
| 22:56.22 | Shirik | can't login now :( |
| 22:56.23 | Shirik | qq |
| 22:56.32 | cladhaire | foxlit: Yes, and which site has never had a keylogger or virus? |
| 22:56.32 | |Jelly| | I feel your pain. |
| 22:56.43 | cladhaire | I think I know the answer! Pick me! |
| 22:56.43 | foxlit | Tbh, I don't care about that. |
| 22:56.50 | cladhaire | so? |
| 22:56.52 | cladhaire | users do |
| 22:56.58 | foxlit | I'm not aiming at users |
| 22:57.03 | cladhaire | so qq? |
| 22:57.09 | cladhaire | i dont hate curse |
| 22:57.09 | foxlit | So it stays on curse. |
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| 22:57.15 | foxlit | :) |
| 22:57.19 | cladhaire | i dont use curse, because they don't do what I need them to, plain and simple. |
| 22:57.30 | foxlit | Plus every time I update it, I feel guilty for making someone work harder to verify it |
| 22:57.31 | cladhaire | that's just a silly reason to not use a site, imo |
| 22:57.31 | TC-Working | hack.box.sk never had a keylogger or virus |
| 22:57.36 | TS|Skrom | can drop down boxes be set to scroll? |
| 22:57.55 | Shirik | localhost has tons of keyloggers |
| 22:57.55 | Shirik | don't go there |
| 22:58.01 | Cairenn|afk | foxlit: it takes less than 5 minutes of our time to verify a mod |
| 22:58.12 | |Jelly| | They're infecting my pc! Stealing my megahertz! |
| 22:58.26 | Lunessa | As a user, I use who ever has what I'm looking for. I have never uploaded an AddOn for distribution, so I can't comment on the merits of any site from that perspective. |
| 22:58.33 | dolby-wowi | like 5seconds if that |
| 22:58.36 | foxlit | That's 5 minutes too many <3 |
| 22:58.37 | Cairenn|afk | foxlit: but I can understand why you might not want to wait for your mod to be approved before it goes live |
| 22:58.55 | TC-Working | if anyone is interested in a calc that can do up to i million places (but cant do complex equasion) it's http://comptune.com/calc.php |
| 22:58.57 | dolby-wowi | dont goto 127.0.0.1 either Shirik |
| 22:59.13 | TC-Working | s/o i m/o 1 m/ |
| 22:59.29 | Cairenn|afk | to each their own, nothing wrong with that |
| 23:00.02 | Tain | http://www.fukung.net/v/3479/Happy%20Pants.jpg (Completely SFW) |
| 23:00.03 | foxlit | np, I still use wowi for mature code :) |
| 23:00.37 | foxlit | So what's this verification process, anyway? |
| 23:01.17 | foxlit | I'm assuming nobody actually checks the addon code; so you just look for odd files? |
| 23:01.27 | Shirik | !! |
| 23:01.28 | Lunessa | Tain - LOL |
| 23:01.31 | Shirik | dolby-wowi spoke!! |
| 23:01.59 | amro | it's not even the full moon |
| 23:02.04 | Cairenn|afk | you upload it - your work is done (same as the other sites) - we download it, run virus scanner on it, check it for any executables, check what your description says it is supposed to do, then approve it if all is well |
| 23:02.25 | Cairenn|afk | if your description says it'll turn all character models naked, we deny it |
| 23:02.37 | Cairenn|afk | if there is an executable, we check what the executable is and does |
| 23:02.53 | TC-Working | if the description states *creates more work for the wowi staff* technicly that makes it pass |
| 23:03.05 | Cairenn|afk | yup :p |
| 23:03.28 | foxlit | But seriously, though - I doubt you're actually able to filter executives to a high degree of certainty :) |
| 23:03.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r54h77.res.gatech.edu) |
| 23:03.56 | zenzelezz | executives? |
| 23:04.10 | foxlit | CEOs! |
| 23:04.21 | Kaydeethree | nerf ceos? |
| 23:04.27 | TC-Working | yep, cant trust thoes execs |
| 23:04.29 | Shirik | anyone else not able to login? |
| 23:04.30 | foxlit | excutables, it's 0100 :) |
| 23:04.36 | Tain | You have to get the sauce code. |
| 23:04.40 | Kaydeethree | game or forums? |
| 23:04.45 | zenzelezz | 0100 is so five minutes ago |
| 23:04.47 | |Jelly| | I'm in your account, Shirik; sharding your purplez! |
| 23:04.55 | TC-Working | Tain, sauce cold* |
| 23:04.57 | JoshBorke | ~lart Tain |
| 23:04.57 | purl | squeezes Tain till Tain turns blue like papa smurf |
| 23:04.59 | foxlit | 0104! |
| 23:05.00 | Lunessa | sauce code.... mmmm... mint sauce |
| 23:05.23 | foxlit | Hm, again |
| 23:05.29 | foxlit | "We see you're using Internet Explorer. Try Firefox, you'll like it better. Click the button on the right to download Firefox. It's free. " |
| 23:05.42 | foxlit | AND THERE'S STILL NO BUTTON ON THE RIGHT! |
| 23:06.02 | TC-Working | scroll foxlit |
| 23:06.07 | TC-Working | L2Net |
| 23:06.11 | TC-Working | :) |
| 23:06.13 | foxlit | Nothing to scroll :( |
| 23:06.20 | TC-Working | link? |
| 23:06.25 | foxlit | http://www.fukung.net/v/2601/asian.jpg |
| 23:06.26 | amro | question is, why are you using MSIE? |
| 23:06.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik|AFK (n=nospam@mckay32-75.resnet.db.erau.edu) |
| 23:06.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sioraiocht (n=rtharper@ip72-194-117-89.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 23:06.47 | TC-Working | uhh...is that something i should *not* be looking at at work? |
| 23:06.59 | TC-Working | with one of the owners of the company in the room to boot? |
| 23:07.01 | amro | foxlit: rofl |
| 23:07.12 | amro | TC-Working: it's work-safe |
| 23:07.15 | foxlit | The website is oddly named, but that particular image is more odd than nsfw |
| 23:07.39 | TC-Working | oh, i dont see that logo...i am not useing IE |
| 23:07.43 | foxlit | I suspect it's because I killed google syndication |
| 23:08.17 | TS|Skrom | can drop down boxes be set to scroll? |
| 23:08.20 | TC-Working | foxlit, i see the button |
| 23:08.37 | TC-Working | yes, that would do it foxlit |
| 23:08.41 | foxlit | I think <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> is to blame |
| 23:08.52 | foxlit | Hilarious, though |
| 23:13.41 | cogwheel|work | Bah... text processing is annoying.... WTB code that can strip newlines from within "<ul>...</ul>" with possible nesting... |
| 23:14.24 | JoshBorke | have him do it |
| 23:14.29 | pastamancer | cogwheel|work: get a dom parser and fiddle with the text nodes? |
| 23:15.04 | cogwheel|work | pastamancer: it's just for a simple converter from HTML to WoW forum code |
| 23:15.17 | cogwheel|work | I'm writing it in lua |
| 23:15.36 | cogwheel|work | and it only has to handle a few specific cases that only I care about :P |
| 23:18.03 | pastamancer | want a ghetto xml parser? |
| 23:18.16 | pastamancer | it's not in lua, but it could be easily adapted |
| 23:18.29 | zenzelezz | ghetto xml, sounds fun |
| 23:18.40 | pastamancer | http://wowi.pastey.net/52118 |
| 23:19.02 | pastamancer | that's from back when I was playing around with lambdamoo's net extensions |
| 23:19.40 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10409 <== Blizz looking for a new UI Designer |
| 23:20.21 | foxlit | slouken? qq :( |
| 23:20.36 | foxlit | Or is that sc2? |
| 23:20.39 | TC-Working | doesnt say wow |
| 23:21.17 | TC-Working | i think web |
| 23:21.36 | cogwheel|work | hmm... maybe it would be ultimately simpler to do a full-blown parser... |
| 23:21.37 | Cairenn|afk | slouken isn't a UI Designer anyway, never was |
| 23:21.38 | TC-Working | "Extensive experience developing user interface flows and mockups for web and client applications based on project and business requirements" |
| 23:22.40 | Lunessa | So they want an XML/Java/Javascript/PHP/ASP/Flash monkey. |
| 23:22.51 | |Jelly| | Monkey dance! |
| 23:22.52 | Shirik | foxlit: So I have to use an external program to generate the private and public key? |
| 23:23.16 | Shirik | and then adjust local k in crypto.lua to be the public key? |
| 23:23.17 | pastamancer | cogwheel|work: xml is hella easy to parse |
| 23:23.35 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 23:24.19 | foxlit | http://www.fukung.net/images/478/boevhomyak2ku.jpg |
| 23:24.40 | foxlit | "Turn your hamster into a fightning machine" |
| 23:24.58 | amro | Shirik: you're using cryptography in wow? |
| 23:25.07 | Shirik | mhmm |
| 23:25.12 | foxlit | <Shirik> foxlit: So I have to use an external program to generate the private and public key? |
| 23:25.12 | foxlit | Yes |
| 23:25.16 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 23:25.20 | foxlit | <Shirik> and then adjust local k in crypto.lua to be the public key? |
| 23:25.20 | foxlit | no |
| 23:25.24 | Shirik | oh? |
| 23:25.42 | foxlit | crypto.lua is pretty much a library, don't touch it :) |
| 23:26.03 | foxlit | There are a few examples in tests.lua |
| 23:26.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:26.25 | Shirik | the signature goes in Verify() |
| 23:26.31 | foxlit | Mainly shortsign and proper |
| 23:26.40 | foxlit | Base 10, yeah. |
| 23:27.16 | foxlit | (difference is that one is 512-bit key direct, while the other is 2048-bit key coroutined) |
| 23:28.01 | Shirik | private key goes into Sign(), public key goes into Verify() yeah? |
| 23:28.07 | foxlit | Yep |
| 23:28.12 | Shirik | awesome :) |
| 23:28.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:29.02 | Shirik | scite doesn't like your test lua file |
| 23:29.05 | Shirik | it gets cut off at the end |
| 23:29.22 | foxlit | Really? :) |
| 23:29.29 | Shirik | yeah on the 2048b key |
| 23:29.33 | Shirik | I have to use the right arrow |
| 23:29.36 | Shirik | instead of the H scroll bar |
| 23:30.01 | amro | what are you encrypting? |
| 23:30.16 | foxlit | Nothing :) |
| 23:30.16 | Shirik | patches |
| 23:30.22 | Shirik | well |
| 23:30.23 | Shirik | nothing |
| 23:30.24 | Shirik | signing |
| 23:32.01 | Corrodias | he's encrypting your password for private distribution |
| 23:32.09 | Shirik | ya |
| 23:32.18 | amro | oh. you can just ask for it |
| 23:32.21 | Shirik | im in ur accountz sharding your purplz |
| 23:32.24 | |Jelly| | He wants to shard your purpels! |
| 23:32.43 | Corrodias | i only have a few |
| 23:33.34 | amro | just watch out for Eve |
| 23:34.30 | |Jelly| | This UI cause anyone (Shirik excluded) undue stress? http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/spork27/UI-June07-1.jpg |
| 23:34.33 | Lunessa | How much for the purples. Your epics, sell them to me. |
| 23:34.56 | foxlit | Since we're not actually ensuring a secure channel :) |
| 23:35.03 | Shirik | |Jelly|:P retty |
| 23:35.05 | Shirik | Pretty* |
| 23:35.13 | Lunessa | Too much background, not enough clarity. |
| 23:35.14 | Corrodias | looks about like mine, except with slightly more space wasted on art |
| 23:35.18 | |Jelly| | But it's not information, Shirik -- it's clutter. |
| 23:35.31 | Shirik | this is true |
| 23:35.43 | Shirik | but it's pretty :D |
| 23:35.46 | |Jelly| | I mean yeah...there's a LOT of information there...but there's a lot of clutter too. |
| 23:35.47 | Corrodias | as someone with no artistic talent and little patience, i can't get my UI to look decent and display what i want |
| 23:36.00 | Corrodias | i settle for the latter |
| 23:37.52 | foxlit | Shirik ,btw |
| 23:38.14 | foxlit | Try /crypt proper and calculate the expected amount of time to sign something :) |
| 23:38.15 | Lunessa | I was using this for the longest time - http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/UnkleInterface.jpg |
| 23:38.28 | Shirik | signing's not an issue |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | I only intend to sign anything once |
| 23:38.37 | Shirik | myself |
| 23:38.49 | foxlit | I still want to know how long it takes on other PCs than my own :) |
| 23:38.52 | Shirik | ah ok :) |
| 23:38.55 | Shirik | just a sec |
| 23:39.04 | Shirik | I have to get RDXM_Patcher commented enough so it won't spam errors :P |
| 23:39.29 | zenzelezz | hrm, UnitBuff/UnitDebuff only return duration/time left for buffs/debuffs you've cast? |
| 23:39.34 | foxlit | Yes |
| 23:39.44 | zenzelezz | bah... have to special-case my code then |
| 23:40.00 | zenzelezz | shouldn't be tough, but annoying :-p |
| 23:40.10 | Shirik | annoying is right :P |
| 23:40.12 | foxlit | What are you coding? :) |
| 23:40.30 | zenzelezz | buff/debuff bars for me, pet, target and focus |
| 23:40.52 | zenzelezz | basically just like the normal buff/debuff bars; but for all those units |
| 23:41.10 | Shirik | does anyone know why I have the word "Bloominator" in the middle of my screen? |
| 23:41.14 | Shirik | foxlit is that you? |
| 23:41.16 | foxlit | Haha |
| 23:41.33 | foxlit | I needed an XML file to piggyback on! |
| 23:41.36 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:41.46 | Shirik | ok gonna try /crypt proper now |
| 23:41.56 | foxlit | Just remove the entire contents of ui.xml from <Frame name="Bloom_Child" virtual="true"> |
| 23:42.21 | Shirik | what's that slider bar? |
| 23:42.44 | foxlit | Target framerate adjust |
| 23:42.52 | Shirik | ah :) |
| 23:43.05 | Shirik | do you want me to leave it at default? |
| 23:43.26 | Shirik | wow you weren't kidding about slow signing :P |
| 23:43.27 | foxlit | Don't care, I'm interested in coroutine time :) |
| 23:43.44 | Shirik | is that what the 17.5 is on the left of my screen? |
| 23:43.49 | foxlit | Yep |
| 23:43.57 | foxlit | seconds spent inside coroutine.resume |
| 23:44.38 | foxlit | time / progress * 2048 == ? |
| 23:44.52 | Shirik | 50 sec 155/2048 |
| 23:44.58 | Shirik | my computer sucks :( |
| 23:45.23 | foxlit | ~660s total, assuming it doesn't slow down. |
| 23:45.38 | foxlit | Not too bad :) |
| 23:45.44 | zenzelezz | 11 minutes? |
| 23:45.46 | foxlit | (initially it was around ~1200s) |
| 23:46.05 | foxlit | Of couroutine.resume time |
| 23:46.17 | foxlit | Bit more when converted to reality. |
| 23:46.30 | zenzelezz | when/why will this be used? |
| 23:46.59 | Lunessa | |Jelly| likes ellipsis... |
| 23:47.16 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It will be used once, only be me |
| 23:47.19 | Shirik | every time I create a patch |
| 23:47.26 | Shirik | this way I can distribute a patch over SendAddonMessage() with the signature |
| 23:47.57 | Shirik | foxlit: what are the other three bars? |
| 23:48.06 | amro | how do you save it? |
| 23:48.08 | foxlit | UI code artifact |
| 23:48.11 | Shirik | ha |
| 23:48.45 | foxlit | It can execute multiple coroutines concurrently in this fashion, but I haven't bothered coding the taskmanager UI to a reasonable extent |
| 23:51.09 | Guillotine | theres no easy way to convert between bases in lua, is there? (need a way in both normal lua and wow lua) |
| 23:51.14 | foxlit | amro: it produces a reasonably long string |
| 23:51.22 | foxlit | Guillotine: tonumber takes a base |
| 23:51.32 | foxlit | So that's (anything)->base10 |
| 23:51.41 | Guillotine | yes, but that only works >base1 |
| 23:51.42 | Guillotine | 10* |
| 23:51.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:51.51 | Shirik | base 1 |
| 23:51.57 | Guillotine | ya, I need something like 5->36 and 36->5 |
| 23:51.58 | Shirik | 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 23:52.00 | foxlit | 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 23:52.07 | Guillotine | how dare you insult me so! |
| 23:52.15 | Shirik | 0.0 |
| 23:52.20 | foxlit | 0.0 |
| 23:52.23 | Guillotine | you know what that message said |
| 23:52.38 | Shirik | 0 |
| 23:52.38 | foxlit | 00 |
| 23:52.40 | Guillotine | writing naughty things in base 1... tsk tsk |
| 23:52.44 | Guillotine | 0000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 23:53.05 | zenzelezz | I wish Large Brilliant Shards weren't still so expensive |
| 23:53.20 | Guillotine | so seriously, I'm going to have to write my own code to convert from base 5 to base 36? |
| 23:53.21 | Guillotine | >< |
| 23:53.24 | Shirik | 321.8 @ 1024/2048 foxlit |
| 23:53.29 | foxlit | Yes! |
| 23:53.47 | foxlit | ~643. |
| 23:54.03 | foxlit | Looks like you've got a slightly better CPU than I do :) |
| 23:54.22 | Shirik | os: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 :: cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+, 2.21 GHz :: mem: 1602/2048 MB (78%) :: gfx: nVidia GeForce 7800 GT (1360x768x32bit 60Hz) |
| 23:54.40 | foxlit | meep! |
| 23:54.55 | foxlit | 2.80 Ghz Prescott P4, 1GB ram, 7600 GT :( |
| 23:55.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:55.14 | foxlit | Still s486 |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | Processor: |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | Memory: |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | 4092MB RAM |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | Hard Drive: |
| 23:55.40 | TC-Working | 1.8 TB Total |
| 23:55.44 | TC-Working | Video Card: |
| 23:55.46 | TC-Working | NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX |
| 23:55.48 | TC-Working | Monitor: |
| 23:55.50 | TC-Working | Dual Dell E228WFP's |
| 23:55.52 | TC-Working | Sound Card: |
| 23:55.53 | Gryphen | -.- |
| 23:55.54 | TC-Working | Speakers (Creative SB X-Fi) |
| 23:55.56 | TC-Working | Speakers/Headphones: |
| 23:55.58 | ag` | spamspamspamspamspam |
| 23:55.58 | TC-Working | Plantronics GameCom|Pro1 |
| 23:56.04 | TC-Working | Keyboard: |
| 23:56.06 | TC-Working | Logitech G15 |
| 23:56.08 | TC-Working | Mouse: |
| 23:56.10 | TC-Working | Razer Copperhead |
| 23:56.12 | TC-Working | Mouse Surface: |
| 23:56.14 | TC-Working | WoW Mousepad |
| 23:56.16 | TC-Working | Operating System: |
| 23:56.18 | TC-Working | Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_rtm.061101-2205) |
| 23:56.22 | TC-Working | oops |
| 23:56.24 | TC-Working | sometimes i hate irc, i swear |
| 23:56.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:56.26 | foxlit | Vista! |
| 23:56.30 | Cairenn|afk | oi |
| 23:56.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge |Jelly|_ (n=chatzill@adsl-75-63-246-137.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:56.45 | Shirik | ? (vote with !yes or !no) |
| 23:56.48 | Shirik | o.o |
| 23:56.58 | Shirik | (I never played around with these features before) |
| 23:57.09 | Shirik | result: ? (yes: 0 - no: 0) |
| 23:57.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Hallucinosis (n=Hallucin@65.90.6.2) |
| 23:57.16 | TC-Working | nothing wrong with vista foxlit |
| 23:57.21 | Lunessa | I seriously envy those of you with better machines than I. |
| 23:57.22 | TC-Working | well, much anyways |
| 23:57.25 | foxlit | It's vista! |
| 23:57.34 | foxlit | Cancel or allow? |
| 23:57.35 | TC-Working | it works! |
| 23:59.15 | TC-Working | yes, it gets iritating from time to time, but not enough to make me change |
| 23:59.15 | TC-Working | Lunessa, i went back to work simply to upgrade my computer |
| 23:59.15 | foxlit | http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov |
| 23:59.15 | Shirik | .. |
| 23:59.18 | Shirik | visual studio needs to l2makefile |
| 23:59.29 | Lunessa | TC-Working I went back to work to keep eating. If I could figure out how to stop doing that, I'd buy a nicer computer. :P |
| 23:59.42 | TC-Working | pfft, eating is overrated |
