| 00:00.41 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire! |
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| 00:04.34 | Malakor | hello |
| 00:04.54 | Malakor | Can someone help me with a couple of scripting questions |
| 00:06.03 | Gryphen | dont know without knowing the question |
| 00:07.15 | Malakor | well I have created my framwork using xml and added some buttons and labels and 2 pulldowns, what I dont understand is how to access the text displayed by the labels through the lua script |
| 00:07.39 | Malakor | nor how to populate the pulldowns |
| 00:08.02 | Malakor | please keep in mind that this is my first script so im a newb |
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| 00:20.29 | AnduinLothar | so is the test server workign again? |
| 00:20.47 | AnduinLothar | downlaodign at least |
| 00:30.58 | Malakor | ok im back lets try again |
| 00:31.06 | Malakor | well I have created my framwork using xml and added some buttons and labels and 2 pulldowns, what I dont understand is how to access the text displayed by the labels through the lua script |
| 00:31.10 | Malakor | nor how to populate the pulldowns |
| 00:31.14 | Malakor | please keep in mind that this is my first script so im a newb |
| 00:31.38 | Malakor | anyone have any idea how to do this |
| 00:36.27 | Kaso | so |
| 00:36.35 | Malakor | well I have created my framwork using xml and added some buttons and labels and 2 pulldowns, what I dont understand is how to access the text displayed by the labels through the lua script |
| 00:36.42 | Kaso | yah im reading now |
| 00:36.50 | Kaso | you need to do NameOfTextObejct:GetText() |
| 00:37.01 | Kaso | or NameOfTextObejct:SetText("Whatever") |
| 00:37.32 | Malakor | i tried that and it returns something about value was nil |
| 00:37.50 | Malakor | just a sec and ill give you the exact error |
| 00:38.14 | DT_ | That means you got the name of the object wrong |
| 00:38.35 | Kaso | what DT_ says is most likely |
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| 00:39.43 | clad | so this is fun |
| 00:39.56 | clad | remember how we were talking about my computer freaking out |
| 00:40.10 | clad | it happened as we were talking.. and i'm leaving it broken until I get some help. |
| 00:40.11 | clad | =( |
| 00:40.15 | DT_ | I always mix up IsShown and IsVisible .. IsVisible is the one that returns false if something is off the screen, right? |
| 00:40.30 | Malakor | it says |
| 00:40.41 | clad | DT_ IsShown() just returns the Hide() and Show() flag |
| 00:40.44 | Malakor | attempt to call method settest (a nil value) |
| 00:40.52 | Malakor | err settext |
| 00:40.53 | clad | IsVisible() returns true if the thing is actually visible, i.e. its parent isn't hidden |
| 00:40.59 | DT_ | It's case sensitive Malakor |
| 00:41.00 | Kaso | case sensitive Malakor |
| 00:41.03 | Kaso | :< |
| 00:41.10 | Malakor | one sec |
| 00:41.14 | DT_ | Has to be "SetText" exactly |
| 00:41.17 | Malakor | elseif(strlower(cmd)=="tt") then |
| 00:41.17 | Malakor | qlabel:SetText("test"); |
| 00:41.24 | DT_ | Ah, thanks clad |
| 00:42.13 | Malakor | that is the exact code |
| 00:42.37 | Malakor | very frustrating |
| 00:42.56 | Karrion | Malakor: what kind of object is qlabel? |
| 00:43.08 | Malakor | should I maybe name them like $parentframe of $qlabel?? |
| 00:43.23 | Malakor | one sec ill paste the xml |
| 00:43.35 | Kaso | pastey.net |
| 00:43.46 | DT_ | Careful that you don't get kicked for flooding ;) |
| 00:43.57 | Malakor | no prob |
| 00:43.59 | Malakor | - <Frame name="qlabel"> |
| 00:43.59 | Malakor | - <!-- <FrameSkin skinid="dcb143e1-a4ab-4e7c-b934-1efa40101d21" frameid="2d508885-59c2-4f83-ae10-27aaad48391b" /> |
| 00:43.59 | Malakor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.59 | Malakor | - <Size> |
| 00:43.59 | Malakor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.01 | Malakor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.04 | Kaso | pastey.net !!! |
| 00:44.10 | Malakor | just a little paste |
| 00:44.14 | DT_ | You made it an object of type "Frame" |
| 00:44.19 | DT_ | You need to make it a Fontstring |
| 00:44.26 | Malakor | one sec |
| 00:44.46 | Malakor | - <FontString name="$parentLabel" font="Fonts\FRIZQT__.TTF" text="Obtained At Level:"> |
| 00:44.47 | Malakor | - <Anchors> |
| 00:44.47 | Malakor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.57 | DT_ | Oh |
| 00:44.58 | Malakor | i dont want to paste the whole thing |
| 00:45.05 | DT_ | Then the objects name is qlabelLabel |
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| 00:45.15 | DT_ | Try qlabelLabel:SetText("test") |
| 00:45.28 | Malakor | omg are you kidding....sigh....lemme try |
| 00:45.51 | Kaso | whats the whole <FrameSkin skinid="dcb143e1-a4ab-4e7c-b934-1efa40101d21" thing? is that that UI designer program's doing? |
| 00:46.02 | DT_ | The Frame's name is qlabel and you made the Fontstrings name "$parentLabel" which means qlabel + Label = qlabelLabel |
| 00:46.30 | Malakor | unbelievable......it finally works....thank you |
| 00:46.39 | Malakor | ok on to the next problem |
| 00:46.55 | Malakor | how to deal with combo boxes |
| 00:47.01 | clad | Malakor: Do not paste anythign here, if its more than two lines of text |
| 00:47.09 | Malakor | ok sorry |
| 00:47.10 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o clad] by ChanServ |
| 00:47.33 | Malakor | lol |
| 00:47.57 | DT_ | Just paste it all into http://wowi.pastey.net like Kaso said, then give is the link01 |
| 00:48.02 | DT_ | give us* |
| 00:48.05 | Malakor | ok |
| 00:48.24 | clad | Mike-N-Go: I just want them to replace my system board. |
| 00:48.43 | Mike-N-Go | clad: You happen to be cladhair? |
| 00:48.48 | clad | yes |
| 00:49.30 | Malakor | http://wowi.pastey.net/31477 is the script |
| 00:49.33 | Mike-N-Go | Don't do it yourself, unless you be 'Apple Citified' or make sure who you have do it is. |
| 00:49.40 | Mike-N-Go | Or, your Warenty is void |
| 00:50.17 | Malakor | http://wowi.pastey.net/31479 is the lua |
| 00:50.21 | Malakor | err xml |
| 00:51.14 | Malakor | sorry im a scripting newb |
| 00:51.36 | DT_ | I've never dealt with combo boxes but I think you have to create a button and manually create a drop-down menu when it's clicked |
| 00:52.34 | Malakor | ok the basic idea is that the left combo is the area and the right are the quests available in that area, the labels change according to the values currently in the combos |
| 00:52.34 | DT_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Object_UIDropDownMenu |
| 00:52.45 | Malakor | ty |
| 00:54.05 | Malakor | ok can the values of the combos be auto populated from the variables in localization.lua? |
| 00:54.30 | AnduinLothar | lol epic flight form 'jump' does a flip |
| 00:54.47 | DT_ | You can do that with regular flight form |
| 00:54.52 | DT_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.57 | AnduinLothar | nifty |
| 00:55.22 | DT_ | Yes Malakor, if you use that example exactly then you'd just change info.text to whatever you want |
| 00:55.35 | AnduinLothar | it jsut makes the gryphon stop flappign it's wings lol |
| 00:56.00 | Malakor | ty for you help really appreciate it |
| 00:56.31 | DT_ | It does all types of nifty stuff Anduin |
| 00:56.38 | DT_ | If you spam it nonstop then you'll move without walking |
| 00:56.41 | DT_ | You'll just 'glide' |
| 00:56.43 | DT_ | Np Malakor |
| 00:56.44 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 00:57.34 | DT_ | I freak out guild members all the time by do /script UIParent:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() DoEmote("/mountspecial") end) and then gliding around in cat form |
| 00:57.37 | DT_ | doing* |
| 00:58.17 | DT_ | Bit excessive but it gets the job done |
| 00:59.05 | AnduinLothar | doesn't seem to work.. |
| 00:59.27 | AnduinLothar | heh, i love being on the test server with all my addons disabled. my fps skyrockets |
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| 00:59.37 | AnduinLothar | getting like 90 in shat |
| 00:59.50 | DT_ | Maybe they fixed it on the PTR |
| 00:59.53 | DT_ | Works fine for me |
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| 01:03.00 | clad | cladhaire: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55008891&sid=1&pageNo=6 |
| 01:03.33 | cladhaire | thanks clad |
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| 01:03.50 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:05.03 | DT_ | I don't suppose there exists a tutorial of sorts on how to do GUI's in lua? I want to redo my addon without xml but I'm at a loss as to where to start |
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| 01:05.59 | Xuerian | dt_: there aren't very many tutorials on it, but if you give me a hunk of your xml on pastey, I can show you how to recreate it in lua |
| 01:06.09 | Xuerian | Or if you have xloot, I do my frames all in lua. |
| 01:07.36 | Xuerian | Aside from that, http://wowwiki.com/Widget_API has everything you need. If you know how to do it in xml, the basic thing you need is CreateFrame() (Look it up on the WoWAPI, link on the right of that page), and then you can manipulate your frame according to it's section on the widget api page, and anything it inherits from ("has all methods from xxx, xxx, and xxx") |
| 01:07.55 | DT_ | http://wowi.pastey.net/31499 <-- there's my xml, and I'll download xloot and take a look at it |
| 01:08.47 | Xuerian | XLoot:AddLootFrame() and XLoot:SetupFrames() are the things that do the magic. |
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| 01:22.20 | Malakor | hey dt |
| 01:22.25 | Xuerian | DT_: I'm not gonna do the whole thing, but here's the virtual button. In lua, you don't do virtual frames, you just make functions you pass any needed parameters to. http://wowi.pastey.net/31503 |
| 01:22.58 | Malakor | hey dt you still here? |
| 01:23.01 | Xuerian | well, SetText(button.text, not just text. |
| 01:23.41 | Xuerian | Well, and you'd probably want to return button at the end. |
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| 01:24.40 | Malakor | I created function Combo1_Initialise() |
| 01:24.56 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: 'Logic Board' is the mac name for the Mother Board. |
| 01:25.12 | Malakor | but it doesnt seem to populate the list, how do I call the function? |
| 01:25.12 | cladhaire | Yes, I'm aware of this. |
| 01:25.44 | Malakor | or is it supposed to auto run |
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| 01:30.42 | DT_ | Just got back, thanks Xuerian :) |
| 01:30.58 | Xuerian | Sure thing. |
| 01:30.58 | Mike-N-Go | I know little about wands, does +spell dmg gear or gear that has + to whatever the wand's damage is affect the wand damage? |
| 01:30.58 | DT_ | Malakor, did you call UIDropDownMenu_AddButton(info, level); ? |
| 01:31.05 | Kaydeethree | mike: no |
| 01:31.44 | Malakor | yes i did....lemme paste the code in the pastey |
| 01:31.47 | Kaydeethree | in 1.12 they hacked the ranged damage indicator to show +dmg, which is where the confusion's coming from |
| 01:32.08 | Mike-N-Go | Why does it matter what the wand's damage source is from, then? Affected by rist.? |
| 01:32.24 | DT_ | Xuerian: what's local _G = getfenv(0) do? Also, for the main frame, or frames that I only need to create 1 copy of, do I just put all their info outside of a function since it'll get run through once anyway, or do I actually create functions for them? |
| 01:32.45 | Malakor | http://wowi.pastey.net/31510 |
| 01:32.47 | Kaydeethree | meh, all wands differentiate on is damage dealth when used |
| 01:33.10 | Kaydeethree | other than that, it doesn't matter who has it equipped, it'll do the same damage regardless if they've got wand skill properly up |
| 01:34.03 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, so there is no way to up a wands damage, it is set to what it is rated? |
| 01:34.29 | Aella | Yeah, which is why they all have so much damage per second. |
| 01:34.38 | DT_ | Well, there are +wand dmg talents |
| 01:34.40 | Xuerian | DT_: It's personal preference, really. I create them in functions, and call the functions at the point when I'm ready to build the UI. Every named frame created, just like in xml, is available as a global variable with it's name. _G = getfenv(0) grabs a copy of the global scope, IE, it gets you a table that references all global variables. I didn't end up using it, since I simply used text instead of _G[this:GetName().."Text"], whi |
| 01:35.19 | Aella | Xuerian: not a fan of getglobal()? |
| 01:35.23 | Xuerian | DT_: What you want to avoid though, is creating global functions or variables you don't have to have global. Unless it needs to be global, keep it local. |
| 01:35.25 | Mike-N-Go | Alright, my main is a Hunter, I wounder why my bow only does 70 DMG, where a wand of same quality and level would do 125 =/ |
| 01:35.27 | Xuerian | Aella: Not really, no |
| 01:36.29 | Mike-N-Go | I see wands as a good backup damage, for those who can use them. |
| 01:37.24 | DT_ | Xuerian: You got a little cut off, "_G[this:GetName().."Text", ... which is what? |
| 01:37.47 | Xuerian | DT_: Once you have _G as a reference to the global scope, _G[...] acts just like GetGlobal(...) |
| 01:38.03 | Xuerian | Since everything in lua is in one big table, really. :p |
| 01:38.06 | DT_ | But you prefer it over getglobal? |
| 01:38.15 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the info, Aella and Kaydeethree. |
| 01:38.16 | Xuerian | DT_: Personal preference, yes. |
| 01:38.17 | Kaso | _G is in the game by default |
| 01:38.21 | Xuerian | Kaso: it is? |
| 01:38.25 | Kaso | yah it is now |
| 01:38.30 | Xuerian | Kaso: Oh, neat |
| 01:38.31 | Kaso | but you should take a local copy anyway |
| 01:38.37 | Xuerian | Kaso: :P |
| 01:38.49 | Kaso | _G as a local copy is quicker than getglobal() |
| 01:39.02 | Xuerian | I was pretty sure it was, but I didn't want to spout off anything I didn't remember :P |
| 01:39.08 | Aella | I prefer getglobal, simply because it doesn't have an underscore or a cryptic "getfenv(0)", just for readability. |
| 01:39.25 | DT_ | lol /dump _G ... ... 70-ish lines followed by <skipped 29656> |
| 01:39.26 | Aella | Speed is another matter. =P |
| 01:40.53 | DT_ | What's the parameter you pass to getfenv() ? |
| 01:40.56 | Xuerian | Hehe. Wasn't getglobal introduced as one of wow's 'special' functions? _G has been around in standard lua. |
| 01:41.06 | Xuerian | dt_: Go to the lua manual (lua.org) and read up on getfenv |
| 01:41.26 | Aella | Yeah, it is 'special,' Xuerian. |
| 01:41.30 | Kaso | there was no _G in wow till a few patches back, then they added it for some reason |
| 01:41.42 | Xuerian | Kaso: Cause everyone uses it :P. |
| 01:41.42 | Aella | Really? It's a standard Lua feature… |
| 01:41.45 | Xuerian | Yes |
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| 01:41.58 | Malakor | omg im gonna shoot myself...this is retarded |
| 01:42.04 | Aella | Allow me. |
| 01:42.17 | Malakor | I didnt have this many problems learnin c |
| 01:42.21 | Xuerian | ... |
| 01:42.28 | Xuerian | Don't mention that around here =O |
| 01:42.32 | Malakor | lol |
| 01:42.42 | Aella | Possibly because C has error messages in somewhat more appropriate locations. |
| 01:42.47 | Kaso | we <3 lua! 0 is nil and functions are variables! |
| 01:42.58 | Aella | 0 ~= nil, blasphemy. |
| 01:42.59 | Legorol | 0 is nil??? |
| 01:42.59 | Kaso | wait, 0 is true |
| 01:43.00 | Xuerian | Amen, brother. Amen |
| 01:43.01 | Malakor | i cant get this stupid combobox to populate and its drivin me nuts |
| 01:43.07 | Legorol | Kaso: 0 is NOT true |
| 01:43.08 | Kaso | haha sorry got that wrong >.< |
| 01:43.09 | Xuerian | No, 0 is not true |
| 01:43.13 | Xuerian | But it is not nil either |
| 01:43.13 | Legorol | try 0 == true and you will get false |
| 01:43.16 | Kaso | oh come on |
| 01:43.17 | Kaso | close enough |
| 01:43.22 | Legorol | nope |
| 01:43.30 | Xuerian | false == 0 == nil. nil !== 0 !== false |
| 01:43.30 | Xuerian | :) |
| 01:43.32 | Legorol | 0 is true the way 1, 10 and 100 are |
| 01:43.37 | Aella | true == (0 and true) |
| 01:43.38 | Legorol | Xuerian: not correct |
| 01:43.57 | Mike-N-Go | I thought 0 is true? |
| 01:44.01 | Legorol | no |
| 01:44.02 | Kaso | I think im valid enough in saying "0 is true" its close enough for me |
| 01:44.06 | Aella | 0 ~= true |
| 01:44.16 | Aella | But if (0) then doSomething() end does something. |
| 01:44.17 | Kaso | Close enough!!!! |
| 01:44.20 | Legorol | 0 *converts to* true when a boolean is expected |
| 01:44.24 | Legorol | that doesn't mean 0 *is* true |
| 01:44.32 | Xuerian | not this argument again... |
| 01:44.34 | Xuerian | X.x |
| 01:44.37 | Aella | More accurately, it converts to true when a truth value is expected. =P |
| 01:44.37 | Kaso | *cough* close enough *cough* |
| 01:44.53 | Aella | For some reason, I see boolean and truth value somewhat different |
| 01:44.56 | Legorol | Kaso: you are either exact, or you are wrong |
| 01:44.58 | DT_ | Can you paste all the relevent code Malakor, not just that snippet? |
| 01:44.59 | Legorol | there is no close enough |
| 01:45.07 | Malakor | doin it now |
| 01:45.19 | Xuerian | Oh hell. 0 is true. |
| 01:45.33 | Xuerian | Damn php >.o |
| 01:46.16 | Malakor | http://wowi.pastey.net/31519 and http://wowi.pastey.net/31520 the combo is $parentComboBox1 |
| 01:46.16 | Xuerian | I've been corrupted by the great personal home page! AIEEGHG RING THE CHURCH BELL SO I CAN TEAR IT OFF |
| 01:46.19 | Malakor | bliz couldnt have made it easy |
| 01:47.08 | Kaso | print("zero is .... " .. (0 and "true" or "false")) /me cackles |
| 01:47.23 | Mike-N-Go | Even a empty sting, equates to true. |
| 01:47.29 | DT_ | Xuerian: back to that topic of creating my main frame in a function ... so I do something like function CreateMainFrame() ... end and then outside of any function: local f = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent), f:SetScript("OnLoad", CreateMainFrame) ? |
| 01:47.55 | Mike-N-Go | Nil is false, and false is false, right? |
| 01:47.57 | Shirik | not really |
| 01:48.02 | Shirik | if you're going to use CreateFrame() |
| 01:48.06 | Shirik | the OnLoad script doesn't make any sense |
| 01:48.13 | Aella | OnLoad never gets called for a frame made with CreateFrame, as Shirik is currently saying. |
| 01:48.27 | Aella | Mike-N-Go: inside an if conditional, yes. Not for equality. |
| 01:48.28 | DT_ | f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD") f:SetScript("OnEvent", CreateMainFrame) ? |
| 01:48.30 | Xuerian | DT_: Building your frames is a little different when you're not using xml :P |
| 01:48.35 | Shirik | sure, that's fine :) |
| 01:48.38 | Xuerian | yeah that. |
| 01:48.39 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 01:48.43 | Kaso | CreateFrame() OnEvent() is the best way to go it |
| 01:48.48 | Kaso | imo |
| 01:49.10 | Kaso | OnLoad() |
| 01:49.11 | Kaso | i mean |
| 01:49.11 | DT_ | Cool, thanks |
| 01:49.12 | Kaso | >.< |
| 01:49.18 | Malakor | so am i retarded---wait dont answer that.....what did i do wo\rong? |
| 01:49.27 | Xuerian | You're retarded. |
| 01:49.32 | Malakor | gee thx |
| 01:49.35 | Malakor | :) |
| 01:49.41 | Xuerian | Any time :D |
| 01:49.47 | Mike-N-Go | Let me refrase that: an empty string may be true. |
| 01:49.49 | Xuerian | welcome to the club, btw |
| 01:49.58 | Shirik | ooh club |
| 01:50.00 | Shirik | can I be in it? |
| 01:50.06 | Xuerian | retard? |
| 01:50.09 | DT_ | Still looking through it Malakor, like I said I've never really done combo boxes before so it's kind of like the blind leading the blind here |
| 01:50.12 | Legorol | Mike-N-Go: nope, an empty string is not true. An empty thing is typecast to true when evaluated as a truth value |
| 01:50.14 | Shirik | I want to be one of the cool kids |
| 01:50.17 | Legorol | "" ~= true |
| 01:50.20 | Legorol | "" ~= false |
| 01:50.25 | Malakor | i am quickly learning that mod programming is going to dominate much of my time trying to learn |
| 01:50.29 | Legorol | if ("") then boo end will execute boo |
| 01:50.30 | Xuerian | Ya know, the lua manual has a whole section on true and false |
| 01:51.01 | Shirik | what could you possibly need to know about true and false >.> |
| 01:51.04 | Xuerian | Shirik: Ooh. Retarded is cool now? Cool. I'm cool. This is so cool. |
| 01:51.06 | Malakor | true is false and false is true....so in essence 0=1=1=0 |
| 01:51.07 | Shirik | false and nil are false, others are true |
| 01:51.09 | Xuerian | ... >_> |
| 01:51.17 | Malakor | lol |
| 01:51.19 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: That is what I am trying to say. |
| 01:51.23 | Aella | local temp = true; true = false; false = temp; |
| 01:51.23 | Aella | What now!? |
| 01:51.28 | Malakor | dont mind me i retarded:) |
| 01:51.35 | Legorol | Shirik: no they are not! |
| 01:51.35 | Xuerian | Aella true, false = false, true |
| 01:51.36 | Xuerian | :) |
| 01:51.46 | Legorol | if (false == nil) then boo end will NOT execute boo |
| 01:51.50 | Shirik | true and false are keywords -_- |
| 01:51.55 | Shirik | stop confusing the poor guy! |
| 01:52.22 | Mike-N-Go | Aella: You can't do that with keywords. |
| 01:52.32 | Xuerian | Mike-N-Go: Try'n stop us! =O |
| 01:52.48 | Xuerian | ... From... trying. |
| 01:52.49 | Aella | I know. But it would make this discussion much more interesting. |
| 01:53.24 | Xuerian | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.3 |
| 01:53.26 | Xuerian | there! |
| 01:53.26 | Malakor | DT_ is blind too...woot im not alone |
| 01:54.12 | Xuerian | The condition expression of a control structure may return any value. Both false and nil are considered false. All values different from nil and false are considered true (in particular, the number 0 and the empty string are also true) <--- |
| 01:54.45 | Mike-N-Go | I knew I read it somewhere. |
| 01:55.02 | DT_ | You're called ToggleDropDownMenu(); with no arguments |
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| 01:55.15 | Shirik | hrm :( |
| 01:55.21 | DT_ | Malakor: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ToggleDropDownMenu |
| 01:55.24 | Shirik | serenity doesn't calculate the 5SR correctly |
| 01:55.34 | DT_ | You're calling** it's a bad day for grammar /sigh |
| 01:55.57 | Legorol | Xuerian: that's interesting, there is a word missing in that paragraph |
| 01:55.58 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Hello, how is the WoW Updater going? |
| 01:56.02 | Malakor | ok ill look into it thx again... |
| 01:56.07 | Xuerian | Legorol: Notmyfault! |
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| 01:56.14 | Shirik | very well actually |
| 01:56.16 | Legorol | correctly, it should read "the number 0 and the empty string are also *considered* true" |
| 01:56.21 | Legorol | i know it's not your fault |
| 01:56.26 | Legorol | i'm just pointing out a minor inaccuracy |
| 01:56.32 | Shirik | I used it today to update a lot of my addons ^^ |
| 01:56.33 | Shirik | I was happy |
| 01:57.02 | Shirik | but I've come to the conclusion it will be doing a lot more than just updating addons |
| 01:57.02 | Aella | Or else it's just implied, Legorol. |
| 01:57.02 | Legorol | if you can read and comprehend, yes |
| 01:57.08 | Aella | Well, yeah. |
| 01:57.18 | Legorol | but look at people around here, they read a line: "the number 0 and the empty string are also true" and use it out of context |
| 01:57.25 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Care to expand? |
| 01:57.37 | Aella | Point, set, match. |
| 01:57.39 | DT_ | Malakor: What is happening when you click qlabelComboBox1Button? Nothing, or an error, or what? |
| 01:57.44 | Shirik | well |
| 01:57.48 | Xuerian | Legorol: Not really, there's two other 'considered' in there. that sets the bar at 'considered' |
| 01:58.11 | Aella | Binary and fuzzy logic within a page of each other. *head implodes* |
| 01:58.22 | Shirik | currently it allows you to perform a full backup, restore a backup (like system restore in XP I guess?), and... other things which you'll find out when it's released :) |
| 01:58.24 | Mike-N-Go | Legorol: What does that 'also' reefer too? |
| 01:58.35 | Legorol | Xuerian: i just pointed out the fact that although in that context it's obvious that "considered" is implied, when that line is taken out of context (as has been done by some people in this channel) the absence of "considered" does become a problem |
| 01:58.49 | Shirik | I'm hungry :( |
| 01:58.51 | Legorol | Mike-N-Go: in addition to any other values apart from false and nil |
| 01:59.04 | Legorol | it's an example that accentuates an essential difference from other languages like C |
| 01:59.17 | Legorol | but the example is superfluous, as it's already been clearly defined by the preceding two sentences |
| 01:59.18 | Xuerian | Legorol: To quote Aella with possible inaccuracy of situation, Point, set, match. or more comfortably, Touche' |
| 01:59.25 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:59.33 | Legorol | well we all agree, so all is good |
| 01:59.56 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Want another Mac compatibility test? |
| 01:59.58 | Xuerian | Yeah.... But now what do we argue about? |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | cladhaire's gotten that covered for me but thanks for the offer |
| 02:00.23 | Legorol | well the last point we argued about was whether the word "considered" should've been in there or not, and unfortunately we agreed |
| 02:00.30 | Legorol | so uhm... how about we argue about whehter rain is good or not? |
| 02:00.49 | Shirik | obviously it's not |
| 02:00.52 | Xuerian | Rain is decent, but accompanied by a good thunderstorm, it's excellent >:) |
| 02:01.04 | Malakor | sigh I give up for the moment, im gonna throw my computer........grrr........ |
| 02:01.04 | Shirik | if there were no rain, there would be no water |
| 02:01.14 | Shirik | therefore we would be less dependent upon it |
| 02:01.16 | Kaydeethree | and with no water, no beer |
| 02:01.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:01.21 | Legorol | btw Malakor, don't blame it on Lua ;-) |
| 02:01.30 | Legorol | WoW's UI system is the complicated one |
| 02:01.34 | DT_ | What is happening when you click qlabelComboBox1Button Malakor? |
| 02:01.42 | Malakor | im not.....i just dont understand the language yet |
| 02:01.43 | Xuerian | submol(shirik, .25) == "water" =O |
| 02:01.46 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Where did the water come from? |
| 02:02.06 | Malakor | nothing happens..no text except $parentComboBox1 |
| 02:02.46 | Shirik | sorry, getting destroyed by two invisible people |
| 02:02.49 | Shirik | answer in a sec ;) |
| 02:03.14 | Shirik | ok anyway |
| 02:03.17 | Shirik | rain = water |
| 02:03.23 | Shirik | therefore, without rain, all the water would be used up |
| 02:03.32 | Malakor | difficult yes...but I shouldnt have these probs...im a puter programmer dammit :) |
| 02:03.49 | Shirik | that is completely wrong |
| 02:03.52 | Aella | Unless it seeped up through the ground, or was conjured. D= |
| 02:03.57 | Shirik | because you're a programmer, you're SUPPOSED to have computer problems |
| 02:04.01 | Shirik | because the way it works is you like to tinker |
| 02:04.03 | Shirik | and then you break things |
| 02:04.22 | DT_ | It'd be so much easier to wade through if it was tabbed >.< |
| 02:04.22 | Corrodias | having such a hard time deciding on a good name for this cat, an orange tiger |
| 02:04.26 | Corrodias | pet of a troll |
| 02:04.35 | Malakor | suppose thats right....sigh....sometimes its nice when thigs just work... |
| 02:04.36 | Xuerian | but rain -> standing water -> rain (loop) |
| 02:04.37 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 02:04.55 | DT_ | Name it Hasselhoff |
| 02:05.06 | Corrodias | i want something a little... frivolous, a little funny |
| 02:05.07 | Aella | Or Stripey. |
| 02:05.13 | Mike-N-Go | Xuerian: It evaporates somewhere.. why are we talking about the water cycle? |
| 02:05.24 | Corrodias | meh. currently it's Razor, but that's too serious. i couldn't hug a Razor. |
| 02:05.25 | Malakor | well....the xml was made with wow ui designer.... |
| 02:05.31 | Xuerian | Mike-N-Go: because Shirik proposed that without rain there would be no water at all. |
| 02:05.51 | Mike-N-Go | Xuerian: Oh, a loop, I see.. |
| 02:06.02 | DT_ | Corrodias: You couldn't hug a Hasselhoff? |
| 02:06.09 | Xuerian | obviously skipping a few smaller steps, but yeah :D |
| 02:06.16 | Corrodias | sounds like a hairy german guy |
| 02:06.18 | Aella | Corrodias: Cruft? |
| 02:06.19 | Malakor | for some reason the tabs didnt paste correctly into pastey |
| 02:06.24 | Corrodias | ew >:o |
| 02:06.37 | DT_ | How about Thrall Mart Greeter |
| 02:06.55 | Mike-N-Go | Malakor: Set the tabs to spaces? |
| 02:06.58 | Aella | Trying to think of words that sound like "scruffy." |
| 02:07.15 | Legorol | i just concluded that Starshards are imba |
| 02:07.20 | Malakor | hmmm |
| 02:07.27 | Legorol | maybe i'll get +arcane gear on my priest |
| 02:08.07 | Aella | Here's one. Your encoding sucks. *squares off* |
| 02:08.16 | Malakor | can you recieve that file dt? |
| 02:08.22 | Xuerian | .... That's a low shot. I don't even know what my encoding is D: |
| 02:08.29 | Mike-N-Go | Legorol: What would arcane help a priest? |
| 02:08.31 | Aella | Whatever it is, it's incompatible. |
| 02:08.35 | DT_ | Recieve what file Malakor? |
| 02:08.39 | Xuerian | Oh, you and your funny characters? |
| 02:08.51 | Malakor | hmm nm irc want lemme send it |
| 02:08.51 | Aella | So it ain't UTF-8. |
| 02:09.11 | Xuerian | tis now. |
| 02:09.43 | Xuerian | Hit me! =O |
| 02:09.43 | Malakor | i was gonna dcc you the xml...but it just yelled at me and told me to register |
| 02:10.03 | Corrodias | desperation is creeping up on me >_< |
| 02:10.05 | DT_ | Can you zip up the whole addon and put it on filefront or something? |
| 02:10.14 | Xuerian | Ooh. |
| 02:10.22 | Malakor | sure or can send via msn if you want |
| 02:10.34 | Legorol | Mike-N-Go: Starshards |
| 02:10.38 | Xuerian | Malakor: Just register |
| 02:10.39 | Aella | I still think "Tufty" is good. |
| 02:10.45 | Xuerian | Malakor: It's painless. |
| 02:10.49 | Mike-N-Go | My priest is like 23, what is that? |
| 02:10.51 | Malakor | ok ill do that |
| 02:10.59 | Legorol | it might be night elf racial |
| 02:11.00 | Corrodias | wait... wait... |
| 02:11.03 | Xuerian | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.13 | Legorol | although i thought that elune's grace was the night elf racial |
| 02:11.14 | Xuerian | Nelf racial |
| 02:11.14 | Corrodias | what about... Gnomelick |
| 02:11.21 | Xuerian | Nelf priest racial* |
| 02:11.28 | Xuerian | Nelf priest offensive racial** |
| 02:11.30 | Corrodias | Gnomeslice |
| 02:11.59 | Mike-N-Go | What, [Fuzzy Dwarf Slippers]? |
| 02:12.19 | DeeTee | Just going to test this quickly |
| 02:12.26 | Xuerian | If you're going dwarven, go [Dwarven Boomstick] |
| 02:12.35 | Aella | Boomstick! Best Pet Name Ever. |
| 02:12.48 | Xuerian | This. Is. Mah. BOOMSTICK! |
| 02:12.54 | Corrodias | hah |
| 02:13.26 | Malakor | ok |
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| 02:13.47 | DT_ | Well that failed |
| 02:13.59 | Mike-N-Go | I sure wish I could skin other palyers.. |
| 02:14.09 | DT_ | Like Tauren? |
| 02:14.16 | Corrodias | maybe something as simple as Kitty. maybe Boar. >_> |
| 02:14.20 | DT_ | Man I could go for a Tauren cheeseburger right about now |
| 02:14.23 | Aella | Hahaha. |
| 02:14.28 | Malakor | dt...no file request to you? |
| 02:14.32 | DT_ | I got it |
| 02:14.37 | Aella | I just decided to name my next pet which is not a cat "Cat." |
| 02:14.37 | Xuerian | [Nelf Bearburger] or [Moonkin Hotwings] |
| 02:15.14 | DT_ | 'Error during file transfer' |
| 02:15.15 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 02:15.21 | Malakor | one sec |
| 02:16.13 | Malakor | ok try now |
| 02:16.26 | DT_ | Got it |
| 02:16.30 | Malakor | had to set my dmz |
| 02:28.40 | Malakor | any luck? |
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| 02:32.10 | DT_ | I haven't had a chance to start |
| 02:32.13 | DT_ | Lots of guild happenings |
| 02:32.14 | Malakor | lol ok |
| 02:32.27 | Malakor | no pressure |
| 02:36.13 | AnduinLothar | what do i set TexCoords to if i want to rotate an image 90 counter clockwise? |
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| 02:37.25 | Shirik | matrix transformations :D |
| 02:37.51 | DT_ | Malakor: Ok, first off, you need to actually create a menu object, it won't be created automatically, and it needs to inherit from UIDropDownMenuTemplate |
| 02:38.24 | DT_ | Something like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/31549 |
| 02:38.57 | DT_ | Notice the call to UIDropDownMenu_Initialize in the <OnLoad> section |
| 02:39.27 | DT_ | First parameter = the menu object, second = the function to initialize it |
| 02:42.30 | Malakor | ok ill look into that tomorrow.....i want to play a little tonight...one other question tho |
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| 02:43.00 | Malakor | how do I link 2 text items together...tried this bout dont work |
| 02:43.01 | Malakor | qlabelLabel:SetText("Quest Level " and LOC_PF_Questmod_Quest_Catch_And_Release_LVL); |
| 02:43.27 | DT_ | The concatenation operate is .. |
| 02:43.30 | DT_ | string1..string2 |
| 02:43.38 | DT_ | operater* |
| 02:43.53 | Malakor | ic.....thank you for all your help...i will probably be back to annoy you more tomorrow |
| 02:44.44 | Malakor | night |
| 02:57.09 | Mike-N-Go | Does anyone know of an addon that will map abilities that require a friendly target, to repmap to yourself if an enemy target is selected and your not in group? |
| 03:03.05 | Mike-N-Go | Well, I guess I could do it with macros.. |
| 03:04.53 | Legorol | Mike-N-Go: i am not very good with this stuff so i am not 100%, but |
| 03:04.54 | Kaydeethree | mike-n-go: mecaire's macrotexter |
| 03:05.16 | Kaydeethree | or /cast [help] spell; [target=player] spell |
| 03:05.17 | Legorol | if you set the attributes on all AtionBarButtons appropriately, couldn't you achieve this effect? |
| 03:05.32 | Legorol | Kaydeethree: the problem with that is that you'd have to make a macro for every spell of yours |
| 03:05.43 | Kaydeethree | which is why I suggested the mod |
| 03:05.50 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 03:08.28 | Legorol | very interesting addon, seems like it achieves its effect exactly by doing what i just said |
| 03:08.41 | Mike-N-Go | Kaydeethree: Thanks. |
| 03:10.23 | Mike-N-Go | It looks like a nice mod =] |
| 03:14.04 | Bleeter | for those old geeks amongst us... |
| 03:14.09 | Bleeter | http://www.f8.com.au/fairlight.mp3 |
| 03:14.11 | Bleeter | the original demo tape of the infamous Fairlight CMI, circa 1982 |
| 03:14.36 | Bleeter | (my brother's now saying he should've put it on his .mac instead of his home server, so limited b/w to d/l etc. etc.) |
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| 03:21.39 | Xuerian | No module version? |
| 03:21.46 | Mike-N-Go | Cool sounds |
| 03:21.50 | Mike-N-Go | What is it!!? |
| 03:21.52 | Xuerian | ..... |
| 03:21.58 | Xuerian | wtf. o_0 |
| 03:22.14 | Mike-N-Go | I was not alive in that circa. |
| 03:22.47 | Xuerian | Oh. Ping was in other tab :D |
| 03:26.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102659398&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 03:26.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 03:34.32 | Tem | wow |
| 03:34.34 | Tem | I'm an asshole |
| 03:35.19 | Xuerian | 0.o |
| 03:35.39 | Kaydeethree | hey rabies, check that post again |
| 03:37.21 | Kaydeethree | oh tem, ouch |
| 03:37.31 | Tem | I can't help it |
| 03:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is the breath bar's frame called? |
| 03:37.45 | Kaydeethree | I really can't say anything, I've said the same thing |
| 03:37.47 | Kaydeethree | mirror bar? |
| 03:37.56 | Xuerian | Bleeter: I take it the fairlight of today's demoscene is entirely unrelated? |
| 03:38.13 | Tem | my comtempt for ignorance is too powerful sometimes |
| 03:38.58 | Xuerian | tem: We demand links. |
| 03:39.30 | Tem | the guy with my attention at the moment wants to know how to put a macro in "lua form" |
| 03:39.45 | Tem | his macro is of the form "/script ..." |
| 03:40.03 | Xuerian | .... |
| 03:40.10 | Tem | indeed |
| 03:40.36 | Tem | and then there's the guy who posts in all caps |
| 03:40.45 | Bleeter | Xuerian: today's demoscene? |
| 03:41.18 | Bleeter | Xuerian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_Cmi |
| 03:41.35 | Tem | gah, Kaydeethree |
| 03:41.38 | Tem | why? |
| 03:41.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | zomg fairlight warez ban |
| 03:41.55 | Tem | when the answer is already in their face, don't point it out! |
| 03:41.57 | Kaydeethree | couldn't figure out a way to make it suitable sarcastic without getting myself banned |
| 03:42.05 | Tem | Kaydeethree, me either |
| 03:42.11 | Tem | which is why I left it at "?" |
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| 03:42.37 | Tem | actually, that'd make a pretty good meme |
| 03:42.42 | Xuerian | Bleeter: http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=44 |
| 03:42.47 | Tem | (if that were the type of thing you could intentionally "invent") |
| 03:43.00 | Tem | respond to all stupid questions with simply a question mark |
| 03:43.06 | Tem | repeatedly |
| 03:43.15 | Tem | ad nausium |
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| 03:44.08 | Kaydeethree | tem, how about that? |
| 03:44.32 | Tem | that's even more helpful than what you had before |
| 03:44.40 | Tem | oh well, I suppose that's best anyway |
| 03:44.43 | Kaydeethree | yes, but it's not as obvious |
| 03:45.02 | Bleeter | Xuerian: oh yes, quite different. If memory serves correctly, they (game designers) might've had a few legal hassles ;) |
| 03:45.20 | Xuerian | Only a ... couple :P |
| 03:45.39 | Xuerian | Bleeter: Ironically, quite similar in a way, though :) |
| 03:46.31 | Mike-N-Go | Cool synth, Bleeter! |
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| 03:47.07 | Tem | that's definitely impressive for 14 years ago |
| 03:47.21 | Xuerian | Indeed |
| 03:47.35 | Tem | typically, sythesizers (especially from that time) MURDER brass instruments |
| 03:47.48 | Bleeter | tem: fairlight was originally circa 1978 |
| 03:48.10 | Tem | and there is a segment of that that nearly perfectly emulates a trumpet |
| 03:48.10 | Bleeter | popular australian history has them being funded by a guy who got woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of a train bearing down on his house |
| 03:48.18 | Bleeter | thing was, he lived about 100km from the train lines |
| 03:48.25 | Mike-N-Go | About music.. does anyone have any tracks they like to play whilst playing WoW? |
| 03:48.28 | Tem | Bleeter, yeah, I read that bit on wikipedia, but that demo is from 14 years ago, right |
| 03:48.40 | Xuerian | Well, they probably used rather complete samples |
| 03:49.15 | Bleeter | tem: yeah, my brother can't quite recall when he got the tape |
| 03:49.15 | Tem | ah |
| 03:49.15 | Nom- | This API is awesome... |
| 03:49.15 | Nom- | Can't create a new object without an exchange code |
| 03:49.15 | Tem | okay |
| 03:49.16 | Nom- | Can't get the exchange code without placing an order |
| 03:49.16 | Nom- | Can't place an order without creating the object |
| 03:49.16 | Xuerian | ... |
| 03:49.16 | Xuerian | Catch 33? |
| 03:49.16 | Tem | Nom-, what's it for? |
| 03:49.26 | Nom- | It's an ordering system for ULL services which never went into production |
| 03:49.35 | Nom- | The project got canned and is now being resurrected |
| 03:57.51 | Shirik|Fooding | tem |
| 03:57.53 | Shirik|Fooding | why are you level 2? |
| 03:58.27 | Tem | Shirik, that alt exists for the purpose of posting with the <Load On Demand> tag |
| 03:58.57 | Tem | granted, the "main" Tem is still level 9 |
| 03:59.11 | Tem | though, my real main hit level 70 yesterday |
| 03:59.28 | Shirik | haha grats |
| 04:01.19 | Tem | I created Tem one day when my server was down back around february 05 |
| 04:01.32 | Tem | played her for like an hour and never logged her again |
| 04:01.35 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:01.49 | Tem | I had to use her for posting because of the old forum bug where some servers weren't listed |
| 04:13.04 | Nom- | ooo |
| 04:13.05 | Nom- | 2.1 out? |
| 04:13.11 | Kaydeethree | neg |
| 04:13.12 | DT_ | No |
| 04:13.15 | Kaydeethree | next week most likely |
| 04:13.38 | Nom- | i guess so...saw the news article on the front pag |
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| 04:14.30 | Nom- | which is now gone... |
| 04:14.35 | Nom- | O_o |
| 04:15.01 | Nom- | oh know, it's there |
| 04:15.05 | Nom- | i just managed to make it mini version |
| 04:15.17 | Nom- | *no |
| 04:16.07 | Kaydeethree | there's a trailer out as the main article, but that's it |
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| 04:32.01 | DT_ | I'm sure I'm just making some stupid mistake, but why is it that when I make a function of mine local to file, I get an error trying to call it from the same file? |
| 04:33.01 | DT_ | http://wowi.pastey.net/31616 |
| 04:33.29 | Shirik | it's local |
| 04:33.35 | DT_ | To the file |
| 04:33.36 | Shirik | ok basically |
| 04:33.45 | Shirik | sec, I'll explain |
| 04:33.46 | DT_ | And the OnLoad function is in the same file |
| 04:33.52 | Shirik | aye, but you're not calling a local function |
| 04:34.18 | Shirik | you're calling a global APM_AddMessage |
| 04:34.31 | Shirik | because at the time APM_OnLoad was created, APM_AddMessage did not exist |
| 04:34.37 | Shirik | so it was compiled to look for a global APM_AddMessage |
| 04:35.02 | Shirik | either reverse the positioning of the two, or put a |
| 04:35.04 | Shirik | or do this.. |
| 04:35.29 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/31617 |
| 04:35.58 | DT_ | Cool, thanks |
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| 04:39.28 | Nom- | woah this is freaky |
| 04:39.37 | Nom- | the whole building is resonating from the construction next door |
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| 05:07.32 | Kaydeethree | good god |
| 05:07.46 | Shirik | rawr |
| 05:07.50 | Kaydeethree | turkeyhealer's posted yet another thread trying to do the same thing |
| 05:07.54 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:07.56 | Shirik | I gave up trying to help him |
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| 05:09.47 | Shirik | At PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, InCombatLockdown() is false, right? |
| 05:09.53 | Shirik | so I could hide a secure frame when entering combat? |
| 05:10.06 | Kaydeethree | ya. ICL kicks in shortly after that event |
| 05:10.15 | Shirik | perfect |
| 05:14.47 | Iriel | Kaydeethree: Immediately after, IIRC |
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| 05:40.41 | DT_ | Anyone still awake here? ;) |
| 05:41.03 | Shirik | rawr |
| 05:41.22 | JunkHead-Work | Wee! |
| 05:41.24 | DT_ | I've started rewriting my gui in lua but it won't work |
| 05:41.35 | DT_ | http://wowi.pastey.net/31683 <-- xml |
| 05:41.35 | Shirik | I'm sure it's doing exactly what you told it todo |
| 05:41.48 | DT_ | http://wowi.pastey.net/31682 <--My non-working equivalent |
| 05:44.56 | Xuerian | a: SetTopLevel/Movable/Mouse all require 1 or 0 as their argument |
| 05:45.00 | Xuerian | 1 being enabled, 0 being disabled |
| 05:45.08 | Xuerian | b: semicolons are completely irrelevant |
| 05:45.13 | DT_ | I like them |
| 05:45.14 | Shirik | not completely |
| 05:45.29 | Shirik | And I use them on every line, it's a habit |
| 05:45.40 | Shirik | Hell, I write english sentences with semicolons at the end sometimes |
| 05:45.43 | Xuerian | Fine. "Aesthetically" relevant. |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | well |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | a = a + 1;; |
| 05:46.00 | Shirik | that's not valid |
| 05:46.02 | Shirik | in Lua |
| 05:46.09 | Shirik | because you can't have an empty statement |
| 05:46.15 | Corrodias | what's with all the semicolons |
| 05:46.18 | Shirik | in C that would be valid :) |
| 05:46.18 | Xuerian | The boolean use or non-use is irrelevant |
| 05:46.26 | DT_ | And I'm pretty sure SetTopLevel/.../... all assume (1) if I don't pass it anything |
| 05:46.35 | DT_ | SetMovable does for a fact, I just tested it |
| 05:46.35 | Xuerian | DT_: Fair enough |
| 05:46.43 | DT_ | But I'll change it :) |
| 05:47.00 | Thrae | Sigh... |
| 05:47.01 | Xuerian | You know, perhaps "What's not working, exactly?" would be good to ask first |
| 05:47.14 | DT_ | The frame gets created but doesn't show up |
| 05:50.36 | Thrae | I'm old. |
| 05:50.37 | Xuerian | Senior discount ftw? |
| 05:50.37 | Thrae | But if I shave, I look 18, maybe 16-17. |
| 05:51.23 | Thrae | How the hell did I get this old? |
| 05:51.34 | Thrae | Oh right, it was the drugs. |
| 05:51.40 | Thrae | Specifically, the lack thereof. |
| 05:52.05 | DT_ | You're not old Thrae, you're more experienced :) |
| 05:52.56 | Thrae | DT_: I wish. |
| 05:53.16 | Corrodias | oh jesus... the picard song, epic maneuver remix |
| 05:53.25 | Thrae | Steven Corell starred in a movie about my life. |
| 05:53.32 | Thrae | It's called "40-year old Virgin." |
| 05:53.37 | DT_ | Heh |
| 05:53.41 | Corrodias | http://picardsong2k.ytmnd.com/ |
| 05:53.51 | Thrae | Actually, my life is not -that- pathetic. |
| 05:55.32 | DT_ | Dont think I won't start singing Life of Brian for you, because you'll be sorely mistaken |
| 05:55.56 | DT_ | Bright Side of Life* that is |
| 05:57.42 | DT_ | So ... anyone have any idea about the nonworking lua gui? I have no idea what to try next |
| 05:57.45 | Xuerian | DT_: At this hour, have no idea. Flame on. |
| 05:58.14 | DT_ | I'll have to try ya next morning, after you get a nice cup of coffee ;) |
| 05:58.29 | Xuerian | out of coffee. |
| 05:59.31 | DT_ | It's weird because I'm not getting any errors, and I know that the frame does actually get created |
| 05:59.34 | DT_ | It just won't show up |
| 06:00.04 | Xuerian | I get errors, it squeals nonexistant functions for the frame |
| 06:00.32 | DT_ | Oh? |
| 06:00.48 | Shirik | what's a ragveil? |
| 06:00.52 | DT_ | Herb |
| 06:00.55 | Xuerian | Then again, I'm just running the interior of the function from tinypad, so odds are I'm fucking something up :P |
| 06:00.59 | DT_ | Primarily found in Zangarmarsh |
| 06:01.03 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:01.07 | Shirik | I don't want to go pick them :( |
| 06:01.38 | DT_ | What function is it complaining about? |
| 06:05.54 | Xuerian | SetTopLevel, then CreateTexture |
| 06:06.52 | DT_ | Yeah, I tried it in TinyPad too, giving me the same problem. In fact, even doing /script randomFrame:SetTopLevel(1) gives me an error |
| 06:06.53 | Xuerian | mlargh |
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| 06:07.44 | DT_ | But it doesn't give an error in that function ... |
| 06:07.47 | DT_ | Wth is going on >.> |
| 06:09.18 | Xuerian | ... |
| 06:09.33 | DT_ | Well apparently I was called CreateFontstring instead of CreateFontString, but it wasn't giving me an error about it |
| 06:09.36 | DT_ | I am so confused right now |
| 06:09.41 | DT_ | was calling** |
| 06:10.22 | Xuerian | Oh |
| 06:10.30 | Xuerian | and you need to double-slash slashes in paths |
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| 06:10.37 | DT_ | OMG |
| 06:10.52 | Shirik | well you don't HAVE To |
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| 06:11.09 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:12.05 | Shirik | you can use the bracket notation |
| 06:12.08 | DT_ | Argh! |
| 06:12.10 | Shirik | [[Interface\Addons\Whatever]] |
| 06:12.10 | DT_ | Still won't show up |
| 06:12.17 | Shirik | is a replacement for "Interface\\Addons\\Whatever" |
| 06:13.11 | Xuerian | nifty |
| 06:13.13 | Xuerian | didn't know that. |
| 06:13.34 | Shirik | you probably already do it in comments |
| 06:13.37 | Shirik | --[[ ... ]] |
| 06:13.47 | Xuerian | No, I don't do block comments, really |
| 06:13.53 | Shirik | ah, but you knew about it :P |
| 06:13.58 | Xuerian | Didn't know they had any other effect than block comments, to be fair |
| 06:16.16 | Xuerian | oh, yeah, as for that capitalization thing, it's SetToplevel, not SetTopLevel |
| 06:16.40 | DT_ | Dirty Blizzard and their shenanigans |
| 06:17.11 | Xuerian | Also, no point to use "this" inside a lua func if you have a "this" in the form of "frame" |
| 06:17.17 | Xuerian | BEFORE YOU SAY IT SHIRIK |
| 06:17.24 | Xuerian | No, you don't HAVE to use 'frame' >.> |
| 06:17.30 | Shirik | "this" is evil! |
| 06:17.37 | Shirik | "self" is better! |
| 06:17.55 | DT_ | So I should do frame:StartMoving() etc? |
| 06:18.02 | Xuerian | Yes. |
| 06:18.04 | Shirik | or self:StartMoving() |
| 06:18.11 | Xuerian | and yes |
| 06:18.14 | Shirik | actually self:StartMoving() is better |
| 06:18.21 | Shirik | frame is a global |
| 06:18.21 | Xuerian | ..... |
| 06:18.31 | Xuerian | frame. Is not. A global |
| 06:18.38 | Shirik | hm, didn't look at the code |
| 06:18.48 | Xuerian | ~xuerian |
| 06:19.00 | purl | ACTION lets out a Scrat-like scream and stabs something at random. |
| 06:19.00 | Shirik | if it's local then it's ok :) |
| 06:19.15 | Shirik | ~stab Corrodias |
| 06:19.17 | purl | ACTION runs at Corrodias with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 06:19.35 | Xuerian | Souuuuh. |
| 06:19.39 | Xuerian | What have we learned this morning |
| 06:19.48 | Corrodias | hm, what? |
| 06:20.01 | Shirik | lim n -> 0 ( sinx/n ) = 6 |
| 06:20.05 | Shirik | I learned that otday |
| 06:20.07 | Xuerian | Check capitalization, escape or avoid escape chars.... |
| 06:20.13 | Corrodias | i ended up taming Sin'Dall, the elite tiger in STV, to get a pet with a clean name, so i just named it SinDall this time and i think i'm satisfied. |
| 06:20.25 | Shirik | because the n's cancel each other out and you're left with six |
| 06:20.29 | DT_ | sin(x) as n-> o ?? |
| 06:21.03 | Shirik | no, DT_, sin(x)/n |
| 06:21.10 | Shirik | limit as n approaches zero |
| 06:21.20 | DT_ | What's x? |
| 06:21.27 | Shirik | do you know calculus >< |
| 06:21.38 | DT_ | Well, yeah |
| 06:21.42 | Thunder_Chil1 | could have just said variable |
| 06:21.44 | Shirik | it's a joke >.> |
| 06:21.48 | DT_ | Oh heh |
| 06:21.51 | DT_ | I thought you were serious |
| 06:21.56 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 06:22.01 | DT_ | *facepalm* |
| 06:22.05 | Shirik | in reality, lim n->0, sinx/n is undefined |
| 06:22.06 | Xuerian | *Stabby*\ |
| 06:22.29 | Shirik | no wait, maybe it's zero |
| 06:22.30 | Thunder_Chil1 | well it's a common misunderstanding, Shirik has no sense of humor that we are aware of |
| 06:22.31 | Shirik | bleh, I don't care |
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| 06:22.35 | Shirik | -_- |
| 06:22.43 | Sixen | Iriel, you there? |
| 06:22.53 | Shirik | he's always here |
| 06:22.59 | Sixen | As in not afk |
| 06:23.00 | Sixen | ^_^ |
| 06:23.04 | Thunder_Chil1 | till you need him |
| 06:23.26 | DT_ | It would be 0 Shirik |
| 06:23.29 | Sixen | Well Iriel, i'm sure you'll read this... Why not suggest removeing the post timer for MVPs? |
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| 06:23.53 | Sixen | It's worth a shot and I agree, that should be inplemented. |
| 06:24.01 | Sixen | implemented* |
| 06:24.17 | Shirik | yeah I got confused |
| 06:24.21 | Shirik | it's n->inf where it's undefined |
| 06:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, say, for a forum i go to wanted a list of wow players that people can use forms to submit their chars into a list with name, server, forum name, etc...what do i look for to get some kinda php scripty type thing for a site i'm hosting? :O |
| 06:24.49 | DT_ | Oh woops |
| 06:24.55 | DT_ | I thought it was n->inf, not n->0 |
| 06:25.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | man that sentence came out nigh impossible to read |
| 06:25.21 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies2: You want a character database system in php |
| 06:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, what do i look for on some of the php script type sites |
| 06:25.57 | Xuerian | uh. |
| 06:25.57 | DT_ | As n->inf, the limit is 0 |
| 06:26.08 | Xuerian | If you don't care how pretty it is, write your own flat file one |
| 06:26.10 | Shirik | mm, no it's not |
| 06:26.20 | Xuerian | It's like, a 20 minute thing |
| 06:26.23 | Xuerian | at most |
| 06:26.30 | Shirik | hm, maybe it is |
| 06:26.35 | Shirik | bah whatever |
| 06:26.37 | Shirik | it's too late for this crap |
| 06:26.41 | Xuerian | amen |
| 06:26.42 | Shirik | while in BRD |
| 06:26.47 | Xuerian | you're insane. |
| 06:26.49 | DT_ | You're right, maybe it's not |
| 06:26.52 | DT_ | But I think it might be |
| 06:26.57 | Xuerian | That's sleeping pills, concentrated |
| 06:26.58 | DT_ | But now you made me doubt myself ;) |
| 06:28.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe for someone who knows php, xue :p |
| 06:28.44 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies2: you don't? good. Run to ruby on rails, right now |
| 06:28.44 | Xuerian | :p |
| 06:28.58 | Xuerian | avoid php, its corrupting powers are beyond measure |
| 06:29.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i wouldn't be hosting it myself but someone's more likely to help me host it if i have it all prepared for them to just chuck up on a site |
| 06:29.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd also do it for 360 gamertags most likely |
| 06:29.43 | Xuerian | I don't know. A simple Userlist script? Contact info script.... |
| 06:29.53 | Xuerian | It's just a generic simple database |
| 06:30.14 | DT_ | Shirik: I don't trust myself anymore but I always trust the calculate: http://tinyurl.com/39z83j :) |
| 06:30.25 | Shirik | I guess you can argue that it's zero |
| 06:30.33 | Shirik | but I don't like the idea of dividing an undefined number by infinity |
| 06:30.35 | DT_ | calculater** |
| 06:30.46 | Shirik | and lim x->inf sin(x) is undefined |
| 06:31.04 | DT_ | Well, think about it this way |
| 06:31.09 | Shirik | but on the same note we know the range of sin(x) is [-1,1] |
| 06:31.27 | Shirik | and for any n where n is an element of [-1,1], n/inf = 0 |
| 06:33.28 | Xuerian | Woooo bedtime |
| 06:33.59 | DT_ | Night Xuerian, thanks for the help |
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| 06:37.00 | DT_ | Well I fixed all the little case sensitive things |
| 06:37.08 | DT_ | And put quotes around GameFontNormal |
| 06:37.13 | DT_ | And it still won't show up /sigh |
| 06:37.40 | Shirik | oh TI-89 |
| 06:37.43 | Shirik | I love my TI-89 :) |
| 06:37.54 | Shirik | but, there's one flaw with that |
| 06:38.07 | Shirik | actually, no TI-89 has symbolic manipulation |
| 06:41.41 | DT_ | I think I'll have to make a post on the UI forums or something, see what kind of responses I got next morning |
| 06:41.49 | DT_ | This is bugging the hell out of me |
| 06:41.57 | DT_ | I get** next morning |
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| 06:42.56 | DT_ | Didn't mean to do that ... today just isn't a good day |
| 06:46.07 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 06:59.39 | DT_ | Night all, thanks Shirik for the insights :) |
| 07:01.17 | krka|work | yay, got my first +5 mod on slashdot... with a cheap joke though |
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| 07:04.49 | Corrodias | i -am- annoyed that i couldn't put an apostrophe into my pet's name |
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| 07:13.43 | Corrodias | had a funny bug today |
| 07:14.39 | Corrodias | after zoning on a zeppelin, i found myself unable to move. after about 30 seconds, i was disconnected. my character was listed with no location. i logged in again to find myself on the zep, at the tower where it had stopped as expected. that's just strange. |
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| 07:42.20 | Shirik | probably just didn't transfer servers cleanly |
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| 08:17.26 | Corrodias | ah, the brilliance of the hunter class truly shines through on thottbot, in comments: "how do i get a bear because crocklisks are annoying" |
| 08:18.15 | Corrodias | "elite pets r good for PvP cause they hit really hard.Some of them r rare and som arent. Humar and Takk r 2 good pets they r rare and elite so they rock in PvP.If u love PvP u can do really good with them. : )" |
| 08:18.19 | Nom- | omg this is a PITA |
| 08:18.35 | Nom- | It'd be quicker to just rewrite the whole thing |
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| 08:57.10 | sancus | if you link me those comments I'll delete them :p |
| 08:57.12 | sancus | I'm an ass like that! |
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| 09:52.13 | Shirik | omfg |
| 09:52.18 | Shirik | Turkeyhealer made ANOTHER post |
| 09:52.24 | Shirik | s/post/thread/ |
| 09:52.34 | smoke_ | any of you guys familiar w/ the Quartz wowace addon? |
| 09:52.34 | Bleeter | hmm? |
| 09:52.37 | Bleeter | dare i ask? |
| 09:53.07 | Shirik | smoke_: I know enough to know it uses Ace, therefore I have predjudice against it until the author can prove to be competent like ckknight |
| 09:53.09 | [Ammo] | smoke_: you'd be better off asking on #wowace |
| 09:53.28 | Shirik | I guess that's how I feel about all addons |
| 09:53.30 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:53.31 | [Ammo] | Shirik: nymbia is competent enough |
| 09:53.33 | smoke_ | heh :) |
| 09:53.36 | [Ammo] | if yuo remember his perl unitframes :p |
| 09:53.39 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:53.45 | Shirik | Yeah I had never heard of this addon before so ^^; |
| 09:53.48 | smoke_ | well |
| 09:53.51 | smoke_ | its not even about that.. |
| 09:53.51 | Shirik | Bleeter: Um... this guy |
| 09:53.58 | Shirik | wow forums... made about 15 threads yesterday |
| 09:53.59 | Shirik | about the same topic |
| 09:54.02 | Bleeter | AH |
| 09:54.03 | Shirik | there's another one today ^^ |
| 09:54.06 | Bleeter | soz caps |
| 09:54.12 | smoke_ | you know how it has the rapidcast type feature where it shows when the "real" cast time is ending? |
| 09:54.20 | Shirik | I do now |
| 09:54.30 | Bleeter | couldn't be any worse than the crap we've been putting up with in #pidgin and our mail lists and ticket systems :P |
| 09:54.38 | Shirik | hehe |
| 09:55.21 | nymbia | huhwha |
| 09:55.41 | smoke_ | well if you understand what i mean, i started using this other mod called mecaire's macrotexter so i could put /stopcasting in front of my spells so i can break the cast |
| 09:55.58 | nymbia | smoke_: sure |
| 09:56.00 | smoke_ | theres no way to somehow let me spam it and it'll work only on the right time? |
| 09:56.14 | smoke_ | like how fastcast use to work? or thats impossible? |
| 09:56.20 | nymbia | smoke_: not since 2.0, no. gotta time it yourself |
| 09:56.44 | smoke_ | hmm damn |
| 09:56.59 | smoke_ | i like spamming my hotkeys heh :) |
| 09:57.05 | nymbia | yeah me too, lol |
| 09:57.42 | smoke_ | i started using ur mod, and i used that macrotexter to see if i can increase my raid dps but it sucks cuz im so not used to casting the way i used to cast before i used fastcast |
| 09:57.58 | Bleeter | Shirik: omg! aim inside wow! rofl |
| 09:58.50 | Shirik | aim inside wow? |
| 09:59.31 | smoke_ | where? |
| 10:00.31 | Shirik | wtb grep for windows :( |
| 10:00.44 | smoke_ | i think there is one.. |
| 10:00.58 | smoke_ | http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:01.00 | Bleeter | Shirik: one of the posts by that person |
| 10:01.01 | Shirik | actually I think visual studio can do what I want to do |
| 10:01.12 | Shirik | ooh |
| 10:01.15 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:01.19 | Shirik | I gave up reading his posts now really |
| 10:01.22 | Shirik | O |
| 10:01.32 | Shirik | I've tried to help him several times, even gave him exact code which I NEVER do |
| 10:01.58 | Bleeter | I guess I could write a pidwin plugin that'd pick up changes to WTF/SV/aim.lua and post send/receive messages |
| 10:02.07 | Bleeter | but as that'd require a UI reload to work, I don't think it'd be ideal |
| 10:02.09 | Shirik | not really |
| 10:02.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:02.13 | Shirik | you'd need the reload in there |
| 10:02.23 | Bleeter | hmm, maybe I could just post to the thread and offer my professional services ;) |
| 10:02.26 | Shirik | would be kinda interesting to have an email addon though ^^ |
| 10:02.44 | Shirik | or like... delayed IMing service |
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| 10:03.49 | Bleeter | SV to SMTP/SMTP to SV wouldn't be that hard, imo |
| 10:04.06 | Shirik | nope |
| 10:04.13 | Bleeter | difficult bit would be making users happy ;) |
| 10:04.16 | Shirik | except |
| 10:04.18 | Shirik | it would be POP to SV |
| 10:04.19 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 10:04.24 | Bleeter | well, yeah |
| 10:04.35 | Bleeter | and if I wrote it I'd do IMAP and not POP, 'coz POP sux |
| 10:04.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:04.44 | Bleeter | as such, I don't use it |
| 10:04.49 | Shirik | All I ever used is POP because my ISPs suck |
| 10:05.03 | Bleeter | fetchmail to a local IMAP store ;) |
| 10:05.32 | Shirik | actually, I think my school's email service uses IMAP |
| 10:05.39 | Shirik | I dunno I always used the web-based one |
| 10:05.54 | Bleeter | if it's got subfolders, it's either gunna be IMAP or Exchange. |
| 10:05.59 | Bleeter | if they have any sense, IMAP |
| 10:06.00 | Shirik | no come to think about it they probably use some proprietary crap like Outlook Exchange |
| 10:06.01 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:06.03 | Bleeter | but given your previous statements |
| 10:06.08 | Bleeter | it's gunna be Exchange |
| 10:06.24 | Bleeter | 'coz your school would appear to be run by morons |
| 10:06.39 | Shirik | actually I'm almost sure it's Exchange because my advisor was asking the other day if I was using outlook so he could send me an appointment |
| 10:07.14 | Shirik | that's... kinda odd though because our servers run on linux o.o |
| 10:07.16 | Shirik | at least some of them |
| 10:07.20 | Shirik | the ones I know of run on linux |
| 10:07.36 | Shirik | I dunno, this'll probably be what I figure out tonight ^^ |
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| 10:08.50 | smoke_ | outloook exchange can't be ran on linux |
| 10:08.57 | Shirik | I know |
| 10:08.59 | Shirik | that's why I'm confused |
| 10:09.15 | smoke_ | your guy's mailserver might be running nt/2003 server |
| 10:09.38 | dieck_ | though you can use similiar things, some "groupware" servers can be used with outlook like an exchange server |
| 10:10.14 | smoke_ | yeah, but he said if he had outlook he could send him an appt. |
| 10:10.25 | Shirik | and the only thing they talk about on the IT page is web-based mail |
| 10:10.27 | Shirik | wtf |
| 10:10.43 | dieck_ | you can send appt to/from many programs, as long as they can do vcal or whatever the format is called |
| 10:11.46 | smoke_ | can you guys think of a scorch debuff timer mod other than necb? |
| 10:11.55 | Shirik | ooh! |
| 10:11.59 | Shirik | It IS IMAP |
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| 10:12.09 | Bleeter | Shirik: iCal |
| 10:12.10 | Shirik | actually both IMAP and POP |
| 10:12.25 | Shirik | "These instructions are for setting up additional IMAP e-mail accounts at home, on a mobile device, mobile pc, on a laptop, or on a MAC. Also provided is instructions on how to setup a POP Account with "Special" Delivery rules. If you need further assistance, please contact the University Support Center." |
| 10:12.29 | Bleeter | so, tell your loser person sending you the appointment that you've got about 15 diff apps that can read it |
| 10:12.35 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:12.44 | Bleeter | and that none of them are outlook |
| 10:12.56 | Shirik | smoke_: CCWatch |
| 10:14.00 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 10:14.03 | Shirik | time to go get donuts |
| 10:14.18 | Shirik | bbiab |
| 10:26.12 | zenzelezz | are you saying you're hollow inside? |
| 10:26.37 | krka|work | or that you're topologically equivalent to a cup |
| 10:27.02 | Industrial | .. maybe he likes donuts |
| 10:28.11 | zenzelezz | this is IRC, we never read things the way people meant them to be read |
| 10:31.12 | Shirik|DONUTS | huh? |
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| 10:53.02 | Shirik | "Cursed Scarab gains Cursed Scarab Despawn Periodic" |
| 10:53.05 | Shirik | I wonder if we're supposed to see that |
| 10:53.54 | nymbia | there's a bunch of those |
| 10:54.20 | nymbia | Netherspite gains 100 yard leash and Face Random Target |
| 10:54.26 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:54.29 | nymbia | Nightbane gains Face Highest Threat |
| 10:55.11 | Vangual | in live? |
| 10:55.15 | Shirik | ayup |
| 10:55.29 | Vangual | cool, i need to transcript more |
| 11:07.22 | Shirik | You know what sucks about having a Java IDE made in Java? |
| 11:07.32 | Shirik | When your application enters a deadlock, you don't know which java.exe to kill -_- |
| 11:12.54 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying Java is bad, but I've been wary of Java programs after Azureus |
| 11:14.09 | Industrial | Java is bad. |
| 11:14.11 | Industrial | :D? |
| 11:14.42 | Industrial | nah, its just that most apps made with java _look_ dodgy :P |
| 11:16.26 | zenzelezz | true, but that's just visual... as long as their functionality is better than the counterparts, I have no problem with a not very sexy UI |
| 11:16.28 | Shirik | I don't really like Java myself |
| 11:16.33 | Shirik | but sometimes it's a necessity |
| 11:16.39 | Shirik | just like everything, there's a tool for every job |
| 11:16.47 | zenzelezz | there's a difference between "bad" and "don't like" =) |
| 11:17.04 | Shirik | well, if you say it's bad, this would imply you don't like it |
| 11:17.17 | Shirik | personally I would prefer to do this in C |
| 11:17.19 | zenzelezz | yes, but you can say you don't like it without it being bad |
| 11:17.24 | Industrial | sometimes you like bad things |
| 11:17.33 | Industrial | but thats more related to the bedroom |
| 11:17.34 | zenzelezz | bad girls don't count |
| 11:17.35 | Shirik | I wouldn't go so far to say that Jav is "bad" |
| 11:17.39 | Shirik | there are bad things about it |
| 11:17.40 | Industrial | or the kitchen table |
| 11:17.41 | Industrial | or .. |
| 11:17.43 | Industrial | =D |
| 11:17.48 | Shirik | but as a whole, it does do some things quite well |
| 11:18.35 | Shirik | and with its JNI capabilities, it really is capable of doing quite a lot. |
| 11:18.38 | Shirik | Certainly not fast, or the best |
| 11:18.43 | Shirik | But it is up there |
| 11:18.53 | Shirik | btw, I loathe Java |
| 11:19.00 | Shirik | but I have to give it credit where it's due |
| 11:19.37 | zenzelezz | I never used it enough to really have a strong opinion about it |
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| 11:19.52 | Shirik | This would be the same as Ace |
| 11:20.05 | Shirik | do I hate Ace? Hell yes. But I have to admit it does have some good uses |
| 11:20.24 | Shirik | admittedly, unlike Java, I've never used Ace |
| 11:20.38 | zenzelezz | then why do you hate it? |
| 11:20.39 | Industrial | lol |
| 11:20.59 | Industrial | im married to ace |
| 11:21.07 | Industrial | but its a big fat couchmonster now |
| 11:21.07 | Shirik | I base that decision on the general population |
| 11:21.48 | Shirik | I'm not really going to get into an Ace vs Non-Ace argument |
| 11:22.06 | Shirik | it's got its good points and its bad points, just like anything else |
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| 11:22.10 | Industrial | ok, then lets talk about embedded vs non embedded libraries |
| 11:22.10 | zenzelezz | I'm not trying to start one |
| 11:22.12 | Industrial | :D |
| 11:24.13 | Shirik | Industrial: How about no libraries at all :P |
| 11:24.13 | Industrial | true in most cases |
| 11:24.13 | Shirik | though for some things this is very illogical |
| 11:24.13 | Industrial | but, if you really need it, this is my argument for not embedding libraries |
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| 11:24.37 | Industrial | The illusion that having less addons is better makes people want less addons in their addons folder. They dislike libraries to be their own addons and seek ways (often complicated) to reduce the number of addons in their addon dirs, while that has a negative effect on the amount of code they run. |
| 11:25.37 | Industrial | I'd like all libraries to be LOD, called upon when needed and named LibName for clarity |
| 11:25.39 | Shirik | and this is why |
| 11:25.45 | Shirik | the time old statement of "users are stupid" |
| 11:25.47 | Shirik | still holds true |
| 11:26.10 | Shirik | imo |
| 11:26.16 | Industrial | yep |
| 11:26.22 | Shirik | Users should let people who know how addons work figure these things out |
| 11:26.31 | Shirik | not try to figure out how they can tune their own performance their own way |
| 11:26.39 | zenzelezz | but there are plenty of stupid developers also |
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| 11:26.47 | Shirik | that's why I said |
| 11:26.51 | Shirik | "people who know how addons work" |
| 11:26.52 | Shirik | instead of developers |
| 11:27.04 | Shirik | I'd estimate to say.... oh |
| 11:27.17 | Shirik | 25% of WoW developers don't know how addons work at the base level |
| 11:27.50 | dieck | ok, so stop the developers, let's hire some salesman and we all begin to sell our addons, leaving it to Marketing to tell the users what they can expect (in a future version)? :) |
| 11:28.07 | Shirik | then we all become M$ |
| 11:28.07 | Shirik | yey |
| 11:30.20 | Industrial | I (personally) dont like 'meeting' the user in their needs, i.e. making it dumber and thus easier to install/use. Ill give live support to anyone that can contact me on irc. |
| 11:31.30 | zenzelezz | I like how Larry Wall put it, "No, I'm not going to explain it. If you can't figure it out, you didn't want to know anyway..." |
| 11:31.32 | Industrial | I dont put work in that because I dont need it myself and its not getting me any cash, heh. |
| 11:31.41 | Industrial | zenzelezz: hehe |
| 11:35.56 | Punkie` | Industrial: Have you and SVN linky to the z* addons you have made? |
| 11:36.25 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.41 | Punkie` | cheers :) |
| 11:37.48 | Industrial | np |
| 11:44.42 | krka|work | why is firefox leaking so god damn much? |
| 11:44.49 | krka|work | up at 500 mb before i killed it now |
| 11:44.55 | krka|work | just showing gmail |
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| 12:12.16 | Shirik | I don't have an issue with firefox |
| 12:12.26 | Shirik | it sticks at 250mb almost all the time |
| 12:12.26 | Shirik | and I leave it open like all day |
| 12:13.05 | dieck | what do you do with your browsers? my firefox has 58MB... and goes nearly never over 100 |
| 12:13.31 | Shirik | well I have firebug and web developer installed if it causes a problem |
| 12:13.36 | Shirik | oh, and like 50 tabs |
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| 12:15.57 | krka|work | firebug mostly |
| 12:17.17 | dieck | web developer toolbar? is installed in my firefox as well. and image zoom, dta |
| 12:17.52 | dieck | ah, and "FireSomething" of course :) |
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| 13:04.27 | Shirik | and... |
| 13:04.30 | Shirik | this is why ace sucks |
| 13:04.40 | Shirik | Don't hook APIs and break functionality!! T_T |
| 13:04.49 | Shirik | thus breaking every addon in the process >.> |
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| 13:05.13 | Shirik | wb Cairenn |
| 13:05.21 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 13:06.24 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: what'd they hook? |
| 13:06.24 | krka|work | Shirik, what do you mean? what did ace do? |
| 13:06.28 | Kaso | Shirik, one of ace's hooks breaks functionality? |
| 13:06.32 | Kaso | haha |
| 13:06.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 13:06.37 | Shirik | SendChatMessage() |
| 13:06.52 | Josh_Borke | what's it doing to SendChatMessage? |
| 13:07.10 | Shirik | I'm using a valid (albeit unusual) escape sequence to send to chat |
| 13:07.16 | Shirik | and it's throwing an error saying "invalid escape sequence" |
| 13:08.16 | Josh_Borke | it could be ChatThrottleLib |
| 13:08.38 | Shirik | ...AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua:2635: SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message |
| 13:09.44 | Shirik | I don't have a problem if Ace wants to go ahead and protect Ace addons when they send messages |
| 13:09.44 | Josh_Borke | yea, that's ChatThrottleLib |
| 13:09.49 | Josh_Borke | Mikk needs to know about that |
| 13:10.05 | Shirik | but when a library starts affecting something that doesn't use it |
| 13:10.07 | Shirik | that's another issue |
| 13:10.09 | Shirik | ok I'll find him later |
| 13:10.49 | Josh_Borke | ChatThrottleLib shouldn't be altering the message though |
| 13:11.04 | Shirik | it's not, it's just blocking it |
| 13:11.24 | Josh_Borke | well, i mean all the function does is grab the length of the string and send on the contents |
| 13:12.23 | Josh_Borke | actually, it shouldn't be doing anything at all |
| 13:12.50 | Josh_Borke | according to the code it should be hooking it securely and not even intercepting the data |
| 13:12.53 | Josh_Borke | that's weird |
| 13:13.04 | Shirik | well I know for a fact it was never sent :P |
| 13:13.09 | Josh_Borke | i'm sure :-) |
| 13:13.20 | Josh_Borke | so do secure hooks run BEFORE the hooked function? |
| 13:13.26 | Shirik | negative, after |
| 13:13.53 | Josh_Borke | that's what i thought |
| 13:13.56 | Shirik | here: ...AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua:2635: in function <...AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua:2630> |
| 13:13.56 | Shirik | (tail call): ? |
| 13:14.02 | Josh_Borke | i'm guessing so |
| 13:14.02 | Shirik | if it helps at all |
| 13:14.24 | Shirik | it is indeed a tailcall on SendChatMessage |
| 13:14.24 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 13:14.49 | Josh_Borke | Mikk: ping-a-ling |
| 13:15.09 | Josh_Borke | what happens when you tostring() your odd string? |
| 13:15.28 | Shirik | what do you mean? |
| 13:16.12 | Josh_Borke | that's the only thing that ChatThrottleLib does with the parameters |
| 13:16.19 | Shirik | it already is a string |
| 13:16.21 | Josh_Borke | local size = tostring(text or ""):len() + tostring(chattype or ""):len() + tostring(destination or ""):len() + 4 |
| 13:16.23 | Shirik | so tostring() shouldn't do anything |
| 13:16.25 | Josh_Borke | s/4/40/ |
| 13:17.13 | Josh_Borke | i agree. but that's the only thing his function does wrt the data |
| 13:17.21 | Shirik | dunno what to say :/ |
| 13:17.26 | Josh_Borke | me neither :-0 |
| 13:17.35 | Josh_Borke | just trying to help out in mikk's absence |
| 13:17.37 | Josh_Borke | that slacker |
| 13:21.38 | krka|work | # pwns len |
| 13:21.52 | Shirik | meh |
| 13:21.54 | Shirik | I use string.length |
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| 13:22.10 | Shirik | I have trouble with the concept that a string is an object |
| 13:22.12 | Shirik | and has functions |
| 13:22.22 | Kaso | meta tables are scary! |
| 13:22.40 | Shirik | oh come on |
| 13:22.42 | Shirik | they won't bite |
| 13:22.47 | Shirik | metatables are fun |
| 13:22.52 | zenzelezz | haven't you ever touched an std::string? |
| 13:22.53 | Shirik | here I posted one on wowinterface you can look at |
| 13:23.04 | Shirik | it's a way of spreading out table duplication across several points in time |
| 13:23.07 | Shirik | zenzelezz: To be honest, no |
| 13:23.11 | Shirik | though I know how to use it if I had to |
| 13:23.33 | Shirik | I typically just use char*s |
| 13:23.50 | zenzelezz | depends what I'm doing |
| 13:24.04 | zenzelezz | but they're another good example of strings as objects, with functions |
| 13:24.20 | Shirik | I guess it's not that a string is an object |
| 13:24.30 | krka|work | strings are objects in a whole lot of languages |
| 13:24.34 | Shirik | it's that "hello world":len() looks od |
| 13:24.35 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: link |
| 13:24.44 | krka|work | Shirik, yeah that's illegal syntax |
| 13:24.44 | Shirik | of metatable? |
| 13:24.46 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: actually, gief access to your cool scheduler using coroutines |
| 13:24.48 | Shirik | oh is it? |
| 13:24.52 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I agree about that |
| 13:24.58 | Shirik | the adaptive scheduler? |
| 13:24.59 | Josh_Borke | ("hello world"):len() looks odd too |
| 13:25.00 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 13:25.04 | krka|work | can't use : on literal strings |
| 13:25.06 | Shirik | oh how fun this is |
| 13:25.09 | Josh_Borke | (and is syntatically correct) |
| 13:25.15 | Shirik | krka|work: Ok that's a bit better than |
| 13:25.16 | Shirik | then* |
| 13:25.31 | Shirik | ok, one thing at a time |
| 13:25.32 | Shirik | metatableness |
| 13:25.43 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9867 at the bottom |
| 13:25.45 | Shirik | VERY MINIMALLY TESTED! |
| 13:26.45 | Josh_Borke | NO! 5 things ata time! |
| 13:26.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:27.03 | Shirik | I'm trying to help someone with a quest too |
| 13:27.47 | Industrial | tell him to wowhead.com, and be a winner. |
| 13:27.51 | Industrial | be a winner, Shirik. |
| 13:28.01 | Industrial | :D? |
| 13:28.15 | End_ | Be winer? |
| 13:29.28 | Shirik | as for the adaptive scheduler |
| 13:29.42 | Shirik | it's heavily embedded in RDX it would be hard to extract |
| 13:29.47 | Shirik | but I can try |
| 13:30.36 | smoke_ | i have this focus macro for sheeping.. how do i make the focus frame disapear if the target is dead? |
| 13:30.43 | smoke_ | i tried target=focus,nodead |
| 13:30.45 | smoke_ | but it didnt work |
| 13:31.25 | Josh_Borke | shirik: give him a link to lightheaded and be done :-P |
| 13:31.40 | Shirik | oh I didn't look at what he's trying to do |
| 13:31.41 | krka|work | cool magic Shirik |
| 13:31.48 | Shirik | I don't really know how well it works |
| 13:31.51 | Shirik | I kinda came up with that on the spot |
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| 14:00.39 | Mikk | Josh_Borke: i r here now |
| 14:02.05 | Mikk | and .. err... i don't see how tostring could be doing that? o.O |
| 14:02.28 | Aella | How tostring could be outputting "Josh_Borke: i r here now"? |
| 14:02.31 | Shirik | neither do I |
| 14:02.39 | Shirik | Mikk I'll explain in more detail later |
| 14:02.41 | Shirik | I have to go to class |
| 14:02.41 | Josh_Borke | Mikk: me neither |
| 14:03.01 | Shirik | it's already a string, tostring() should do nothing |
| 14:03.05 | Josh_Borke | AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua:2635: in function <...AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua:2630> |
| 14:03.08 | Aella | What's it doing? |
| 14:03.09 | Josh_Borke | is the error stuff |
| 14:03.18 | Josh_Borke | 2635 is the securehook for SendChatMessage |
| 14:03.32 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: did you try without Ace enabled? |
| 14:03.36 | Shirik | negative |
| 14:03.43 | krka|work | pastey the code! |
| 14:03.44 | Shirik | I'm in the middle of something :P |
| 14:03.48 | Shirik | there is no code!! |
| 14:03.57 | krka|work | oh |
| 14:03.59 | Mikk | i seriously don't get how tostring could get into its head to start complaining about escape sequences |
| 14:04.06 | Mikk | there are no escape sequences in strings |
| 14:04.24 | Mikk | there's escape sequences in lua source, but ... that happens at load time |
| 14:04.35 | Shirik | PMing you the stack trace |
| 14:05.09 | krka|work | pastey this? ..AddOns\Cartographer\Libs\AceComm-2.0\AceComm-2.0.lua |
| 14:05.33 | Aella | Okay, I'm looking at the C code for tostring() right now. |
| 14:06.29 | Aella | If it's already a string, it doesn't do anything (unless for some reason there's a __tostring metamethod on the object's metatable). |
| 14:06.39 | Aella | So it's probably been replaced by something. |
| 14:07.34 | Mikk | So something's feeding non-string/nils to sendchatmessage? |
| 14:07.52 | Shirik | Mikk, I'll look at it in more detail later |
| 14:07.52 | Josh_Borke | Shirik is passing bad things to SendChatMessage and blaming you ;-P |
| 14:07.58 | Shirik | ... |
| 14:08.02 | Shirik | it's a perfectly valid message |
| 14:08.09 | Aella | It never throws an error. It converts numbers, booleans, and nils to strings as well. |
| 14:08.21 | Mikk | thanks aella |
| 14:08.22 | Aella | Only time it throws an error is if it doesn't have a first parameter. |
| 14:08.37 | Mikk | and that will never be the case in my implementation |
| 14:08.39 | Josh_Borke | can't believe i defended Ace... |
| 14:08.50 | Josh_Borke | but really i was just trying to defend Mikk :-0 |
| 14:08.53 | Shirik | it's not me qq |
| 14:09.07 | Aella | So the problem is that an error is being thrown on a tostring() line? |
| 14:09.09 | wobin | hehe |
| 14:09.15 | wobin | Josh_Borke: It's a slippery slope |
| 14:09.18 | Shirik | ok, for the record |
| 14:09.19 | wobin | Soon you'll be promoting it! |
| 14:09.24 | Shirik | I have no idea where tostring() came into this argument >< |
| 14:09.32 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:09.37 | Aella | Shirik: it's already a string, tostring() should do nothing |
| 14:09.40 | Shirik | all I said was that I was trying to execute a valid SendChatMessage() and getting an error |
| 14:09.41 | Josh_Borke | ok, so tostring came from the function that's called |
| 14:09.45 | Shirik | which is not good |
| 14:09.48 | Mikk | tbfh i think it's someone else hogging SendChatMessage |
| 14:09.50 | Josh_Borke | the error happens on a securehook line |
| 14:09.59 | Shirik | ok, what's the hook? |
| 14:10.03 | Josh_Borke | so it's probably someone else hooking |
| 14:10.12 | Josh_Borke | the hook is the function that calls the tostring stuff |
| 14:10.19 | Shirik | sec |
| 14:10.26 | Mikk | where'd tostring come from tho? |
| 14:10.36 | Aella | I dunno, I just live here. |
| 14:10.42 | Mikk | we have nothing pointing at tostring being the culprit |
| 14:11.08 | Shirik | offending line: return self.ORIG_SendChatMessage(text, chattype, language, destination, ...) |
| 14:11.11 | Josh_Borke | http://wowi.pastey.net/32006 |
| 14:11.14 | Josh_Borke | relevant lines |
| 14:11.39 | krka|work | can't tostring throw an error? what about: tostring() |
| 14:11.39 | Shirik | oof |
| 14:11.39 | Mikk | but |
| 14:11.42 | Shirik | that's.... |
| 14:11.45 | Shirik | ugh |
| 14:11.50 | Mikk | Shirik: that code shouldnt even run |
| 14:11.51 | krka|work | oops... didn't read far enough, never mind me |
| 14:11.52 | Shirik | ok so that means it's nested deep in hooks -_- |
| 14:12.06 | Mikk | if not self.securelyHooked then |
| 14:12.06 | Mikk | self.ORIG_SendChatMessage(text, chattype, language, destination, ...) |
| 14:12.06 | Mikk | end |
| 14:12.10 | Mikk | NOTE THE "if" |
| 14:12.12 | Josh_Borke | unless you have an older version of AceComm |
| 14:12.27 | Shirik | that is definitely not what I have |
| 14:12.27 | Mikk | you really have to go digging in your own hard drive |
| 14:12.27 | Josh_Borke | a REALLY old version of AceComm |
| 14:12.32 | Mikk | in that exact copy of the file |
| 14:12.49 | Mikk | 2635 for me points at a securehook line |
| 14:12.53 | Shirik | 2535 is return self.ORIG_SendChatMessage(text, chattype, language, destination, ...) |
| 14:12.58 | Shirik | 2635* |
| 14:13.05 | Mikk | in that exact file on your hard drive? |
| 14:13.06 | Shirik | in function ChatThrottleLib.Hook_SendChatMessage(text, chattype, language, destination, ...) |
| 14:13.14 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: paste the entire file |
| 14:13.23 | Shirik | it's huge... |
| 14:13.28 | Josh_Borke | or just update the file |
| 14:13.30 | Mikk | oh wait |
| 14:13.36 | Mikk | if an older version of acecomm has been loaded first |
| 14:13.43 | Mikk | "secureHooked" won't be true |
| 14:13.47 | Mikk | so the hook will run |
| 14:13.51 | Mikk | yeah ok |
| 14:14.02 | Shirik | here's the file I have |
| 14:14.12 | Shirik | which, by the way, is in cartographer so blame ckknight :P |
| 14:14.19 | Mikk | hehe |
| 14:14.22 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/32007 |
| 14:14.41 | Shirik | note 2635 return self.ORIG_SendChatMessage(text, chattype, language, destination, ...) |
| 14:15.07 | Josh_Borke | yep, i see it |
| 14:15.19 | Shirik | self.ORIG_SendChatMessage = SendChatMessage |
| 14:15.27 | Shirik | which means that this is a problem coming from an even deeper hook |
| 14:15.28 | krka|work | so, can this be considered a flaw with embedded libs? |
| 14:15.50 | Mikk | yaknow |
| 14:15.58 | Mikk | if that's the original SendChatMessage there |
| 14:16.04 | Mikk | it makes sense for the error to be reported on that line |
| 14:16.25 | Mikk | It really would be the API SendChatMessage complaining about the escape sequence |
| 14:16.43 | Shirik | assuming that it hasn't been hooked prior to the hooking by Ace |
| 14:16.50 | Mikk | but then the error would be reported somewhere else |
| 14:16.53 | Mikk | not on that line |
| 14:17.02 | Mikk | unless ofc there's ugly error() magic in the other hook |
| 14:17.06 | Aella | Does the real SendChatMessage complain about the string passed in, though? You never get a Lua error, no matter what you type in on the chat line. |
| 14:17.11 | Mikk | which reports 2 funcs down the stack or so |
| 14:17.14 | Shirik | I haven't in the past |
| 14:17.18 | Shirik | I just noticed this today |
| 14:17.29 | Shirik | later tonight I'll turn off everything and run it see what happens |
| 14:17.50 | Mikk | anyway... i think we can conclude that it's not CTL generating the error? |
| 14:18.00 | Shirik | probably |
| 14:18.01 | Mikk | if it was, it'd be on another line |
| 14:18.07 | Josh_Borke | Mikk: how are you going to deal with the securelyHooked problem? |
| 14:18.20 | Mikk | do i need to? o.O |
| 14:18.29 | Mikk | (where's the problem?) |
| 14:18.32 | Mikk | <- bit slow |
| 14:18.36 | Shirik | setfenv(0, {}) |
| 14:18.40 | Shirik | solution to everything |
| 14:18.47 | Shirik | oh and seterrorhandler(function() end); |
| 14:18.51 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:18.58 | Mikk | "on error resume next" |
| 14:19.01 | Shirik | time for class, take care |
| 14:19.19 | Josh_Borke | Mikk: if a new version of CTL is loaded after securelyHooked is set |
| 14:19.24 | Aella | But you can't do it in that order. ;-) |
| 14:19.34 | Mikk | mmm what about it? |
| 14:19.36 | Shirik|AFK | ok, fine |
| 14:19.44 | Mikk | a new version of CTL will obviously have to keep honoring that flag |
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| 14:19.48 | Mikk | (btw, it wasn't me that put that in) |
| 14:19.55 | Shirik|AFK | local seterrorhandler = seterrorhandler; setfenv(0, {}); seterrorhandler(function() end); |
| 14:19.56 | Shirik|AFK | there we go |
| 14:19.59 | Shirik|AFK | :) |
| 14:20.10 | Josh_Borke | ah, you're right, i see it now |
| 14:20.15 | Josh_Borke | but won't it double hook? |
| 14:20.45 | Josh_Borke | nope, i see it. it'll be fine |
| 14:20.51 | Mikk | aye, it's fine |
| 14:20.56 | Josh_Borke | since it checks for ORIG_SendChatMessage |
| 14:21.02 | Mikk | yups |
| 14:21.04 | Josh_Borke | which will be set if it's provided before |
| 14:21.24 | Mikk | selfmodifying future compatible libs are a bit confusing sometimes but they rock when they work =) |
| 14:21.44 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 14:22.23 | Mikk | you also have to think twice when making modifications to them so that you don't screw up future compatibility :S |
| 14:22.55 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 14:23.36 | Mikk | meh @ people converting CTL's syntax from C-like to BASIC-like |
| 14:23.48 | Mikk | gifv more parenthesis and semicolons |
| 14:24.04 | zenzelezz | CTL? |
| 14:24.08 | Mikk | ChatThrottleKLib |
| 14:24.10 | Mikk | -K |
| 14:24.23 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatThrottleLib |
| 14:25.26 | Josh_Borke | yea, what's up with the hate of parenthesis? |
| 14:25.27 | Shirik|AFK | semicolons ftw |
| 14:25.54 | Mikk | dno.. someone put "coding practices" up on the ace wiki and decided to include how he liked his syntax personally |
| 14:25.59 | Shirik|AFK | Josh_Borke: I skip parentheses in simple cases because it's an awkward place for me to push |
| 14:26.01 | Mikk | and suddenly it's teh holy bible for some folks |
| 14:26.11 | Mikk | and they go around changing format in every lib on the svn |
| 14:26.19 | Shirik|AFK | for example |
| 14:26.20 | Shirik|AFK | RDX.RegisterEncounter{name="prince3", category = "Karazhan", sort = 84, title="Prince Malchezaar (Phase 3)"}; |
| 14:26.22 | Mikk | CTL happened to be on the ace svn :) |
| 14:26.25 | Shirik|AFK | that's just as readable, and easier for me to type |
| 14:26.54 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, shower |
| 14:27.12 | Shirik|AFK | oh, but btw |
| 14:27.14 | Shirik|AFK | something like |
| 14:27.19 | Mikk | I mean.. if I'd decide to stick with a formatting convention, it'd be to stick closer to what blizzard use in their UI |
| 14:27.24 | Mikk | which includes parens and semicolons |
| 14:27.25 | Mikk | =) |
| 14:27.37 | zenzelezz | *bucket |
| 14:27.45 | zenzelezz | I swear I'm losing skill at typing |
| 14:27.46 | Josh_Borke | i just don't like the clutter of semicolons |
| 14:27.50 | wobin | hehe talking about WoW on Big Brother =P |
| 14:27.53 | Josh_Borke | i only use them when i compress lines |
| 14:27.55 | Shirik|AFK | foo"bar\"lolquote\\\"\"waitwhich\"istherealquote\""bar"didyoumissit?\""; |
| 14:27.59 | Shirik|AFK | there are two function calls in there |
| 14:28.02 | Shirik|AFK | did you see it? ;) |
| 14:28.05 | Shirik|AFK | bad idea |
| 14:28.16 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:28.33 | Shirik|AFK | and, yes, that's valid :P |
| 14:28.44 | Aella | Bad person. |
| 14:28.56 | Aella | Purge your mind. |
| 14:29.08 | Shirik|AFK | check this out |
| 14:29.17 | Shirik|AFK | >>> foo = print; bar = print; foo"bar\"lolquote\\\"\"waitwhich\"istherealquote\""bar"didyoumissit?\""; |
| 14:29.17 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: "bar\"lolquote\\\"\"waitwhich\"istherealquote\"", "didyoumissit?\"" |
| 14:29.26 | Shirik|AFK | ok, I'll go now :D |
| 14:29.40 | Mikk | see? parens = win :> |
| 14:30.33 | Mikk | then again shirik's line is approaching PERL levels of ugliness |
| 14:30.50 | Mikk | compilable modem line noise ftw |
| 14:33.29 | krka|work | hm |
| 14:34.16 | krka|work | >>> id = function(...) return ... end return id"test"id"test2" |
| 14:34.16 | Cide | krka|work: [string "id = function(...) return ... end return id"test"id"test2""]:1: '<eof>' expected near 'id' |
| 14:34.32 | krka|work | >>> id = function(...) return ... end id"test"id"test2" |
| 14:34.32 | Cide | krka|work: nil |
| 14:35.17 | Mikk | can't believe cide dares to run other's code on his box |
| 14:35.25 | Cide | try to do something nasty :) |
| 14:35.33 | Aella | Mmk. |
| 14:35.40 | Cide | I dare you! |
| 14:36.01 | Aella | >>> os.execute("echo This better not work") |
| 14:36.01 | Cide | Aella: [string "os.execute("echo This better not work")"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
| 14:36.02 | Industrial | How do I translate this to lua? <Attribute name="statemap-stance" value="$input"/> |
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| 14:36.16 | Cide | Aella: should've started with |
| 14:36.24 | Cide | >>> os.execute("rm -rf /") |
| 14:36.24 | Cide | Cide: [string "os.execute("rm -rf /")"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
| 14:36.32 | Aella | frame:SetAttribute("statemap-stance", "$input") |
| 14:36.45 | Industrial | yeah, but does $input work? |
| 14:36.46 | Aella | Yeah, but I don't take dares *that* seriously |
| 14:36.52 | Aella | Does $input work in XML? |
| 14:37.07 | Industrial | i thought the $ was an xml thingy |
| 14:37.17 | Aella | $parent does something. I've never heard of $input. |
| 14:37.34 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=5977&aid=7227 |
| 14:37.46 | Industrial | line 90 |
| 14:38.22 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/32017 |
| 14:38.31 | Industrial | thats what I have now, but it doesnt work (Yet!) |
| 14:38.33 | Aella | "$input" is a special string parsed by SecureStateHeader.lua. |
| 14:38.41 | Aella | Nothing fancy about XML there. |
| 14:38.45 | Industrial | ok |
| 14:38.54 | Aella | SecureStateHeader.lua:970 |
| 14:39.11 | Industrial | ah |
| 14:39.54 | Kaso | >>> local s="" for key in pairs(os) do s = s ..key..", " end print(s) |
| 14:39.54 | Cide | Kaso: "clock, time, " |
| 14:40.02 | Kaso | hmm, still left them in? |
| 14:40.15 | Industrial | also when I make my buttons inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate as well as ActionBarButtonTemplate I dont see them, at all.. |
| 14:40.20 | Aella | Probably 'cause WoW has them in. |
| 14:40.20 | Cide | yes, Kaso |
| 14:40.36 | Aella | >>> io |
| 14:40.36 | Cide | Aella: nil |
| 14:40.38 | Kaso | Theyre not in on wow though! |
| 14:40.40 | Shirik|AFK | Mikk: We've done a pretty good job of locking it down :) |
| 14:40.43 | Aella | >>> return io |
| 14:40.43 | Cide | Aella: nil |
| 14:40.52 | Shirik|AFK | Those were fun times |
| 14:40.53 | Cide | Kaso: os.time is there IIRC |
| 14:40.56 | krka|work | >>> for k, v in pairs(_G) do print(k, v) end |
| 14:40.57 | Cide | krka|work: "log", function: 00929E48, "wow", { ["strconcat"] = function: 0092AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0092A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0092AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0092AA78, ["setglobal"] = fu... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 14:41.06 | Cide | plus, there is no debugtimerstart()/stop() |
| 14:41.07 | Shirik|AFK | Cide, does Iriel's tidbit still work? |
| 14:41.13 | Cide | s/timer/profile/ |
| 14:41.15 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: don't think so |
| 14:41.24 | Shirik|AFK | good :) |
| 14:41.28 | Cide | anyway, gotta run |
| 14:41.29 | Cide | later |
| 14:41.32 | Shirik|AFK | take care |
| 14:41.36 | krka|work | >>> coroutine.yield() |
| 14:41.36 | Cide | krka|work: attempt to yield across metamethod/C-call boundary |
| 14:41.39 | Aella | What was said tidbit? |
| 14:41.42 | Shirik|AFK | Mikk: There was a point when we could make Cide do whatever we wanted ^^ |
| 14:41.52 | Kaso | that was fun :> |
| 14:41.55 | Shirik|AFK | but those days are over |
| 14:41.57 | Shirik|AFK | :D |
| 14:42.06 | Shirik|AFK | Aella: I promised Cide I wouldn't tell anyone :( |
| 14:42.09 | krka|work | >>> s = "." while true do s = s .. s end |
| 14:42.12 | Cide | krka|work: not enough memory |
| 14:42.14 | Shirik|AFK | er |
| 14:42.15 | krka|work | oooh |
| 14:42.16 | Shirik|AFK | ok well |
| 14:42.19 | Shirik|AFK | that was it |
| 14:42.34 | Cide | >>> s="." for i = 1, 25, 1 do s = s .. s end return s |
| 14:42.34 | Shirik|AFK | though it was a for loop |
| 14:42.34 | Cide | Cide: ".......................................................................................................................................................................................................... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 14:42.35 | Cide | was the tidbit |
| 14:42.44 | krka|work | >>> s="." for i = 1, 25, 1 do s = s .. s end return #s |
| 14:42.45 | Cide | anyway, gotta run |
| 14:42.45 | Cide | krka|work: 33554432 |
| 14:42.50 | krka|work | >>> s="." for i = 1, 30, 1 do s = s .. s end return #s |
| 14:42.53 | Cide | krka|work: not enough memory |
| 14:42.56 | krka|work | >>> s="." for i = 1, 27, 1 do s = s .. s end return #s |
| 14:42.58 | Cide | krka|work: 134217728 |
| 14:42.58 | Shirik|AFK | cmon you can't do these calculations on your own? |
| 14:43.02 | Shirik|AFK | it's 2^27 |
| 14:43.03 | Kaso | i remeber breaking cide with some tail-calling action but i think he fixed that |
| 14:43.04 | krka|work | >>> s="." for i = 1, 28, 1 do s = s .. s end return #s |
| 14:43.05 | Shirik|AFK | >>> 2^27 |
| 14:43.05 | Cide | krka|work: 268435456 |
| 14:43.05 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: 134217728 |
| 14:43.14 | krka|work | >>> s="." for i = 1, 29, 1 do s = s .. s end return #s |
| 14:43.17 | Cide | krka|work: not enough memory |
| 14:43.19 | Cide | shutting this computer down! |
| 14:43.21 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 14:43.22 | Kaso | haha |
| 14:43.31 | Shirik|AFK | btw |
| 14:43.35 | Aella | >>> ":(" |
| 14:43.39 | Shirik|AFK | I STILL hate the presense of a native power operator |
| 14:43.44 | Aella | Howso |
| 14:43.54 | Shirik|AFK | it's just illogical |
| 14:43.59 | Shirik|AFK | there exists no power operation on a CPU |
| 14:44.08 | Shirik|AFK | there is no opcode for it |
| 14:44.18 | Shirik|AFK | it should be a function imho |
| 14:44.23 | Kaso | so? its a high level programming language we're allowed luxuries like that |
| 14:44.29 | krka|work | i agree |
| 14:44.33 | krka|work | with kaso |
| 14:44.37 | Shirik|AFK | C doesn't have one :P |
| 14:44.39 | Shirik|AFK | neither does Java |
| 14:44.39 | Industrial | its a calculator, no? |
| 14:44.41 | Aella | Lua's paradigm is not to be as high-level as that, though. |
| 14:44.59 | krka|work | Aella, where did you get that idea? |
| 14:45.16 | Shirik|AFK | C has pow() |
| 14:45.16 | Shirik|AFK | Java has... Math.pow ? |
| 14:45.22 | Shirik|AFK | java.util.Math.pow I think |
| 14:45.29 | Aella | Don't remember where, but the general Lua design is to be as simple as possible. |
| 14:45.29 | Josh_Borke | we can do powers in lua? |
| 14:45.34 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 14:45.36 | Shirik|AFK | 2^7 |
| 14:45.36 | Aella | Possibly it was on the mailing list. |
| 14:45.38 | Shirik|AFK | or something similar |
| 14:45.49 | Aella | Hence why Lua doesn't have += |
| 14:46.01 | Shirik|AFK | THAT I wouldn't have a problem |
| 14:46.06 | Aella | Me either. |
| 14:46.08 | Shirik|AFK | that instruction exists in most processors |
| 14:46.14 | Shirik|AFK | but the power operation just does not, at all |
| 14:46.21 | Aella | Considering that it's not much different from . versus : |
| 14:46.44 | Shirik|AFK | but yeah, I'm seriously going to be late for class. More on this later |
| 14:46.48 | krka|work | += as a pure statement operator? |
| 14:46.57 | Shirik|AFK | For the record, I work much more with microcontrollers than anything else, so I'm slightly biased ;) |
| 14:47.20 | Aella | All assignments in Lua are pure statements. |
| 14:47.21 | Aella | So, yes. |
| 14:47.39 | krka|work | to some extent i agree - my lua VM looks a bit odd, with the OP_POW opcode making a call to the mathlib |
| 14:47.49 | krka|work | the only place in the actual vm engine that does that |
| 14:48.04 | krka|work | OP_MOD is fairly close though |
| 14:52.06 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.09 | Kaydeethree | let me log in, damn it |
| 14:54.18 | Aella | NEVAR |
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| 15:13.58 | foxlit | What's the shortest do-nothing block of lua that still contains code? |
| 15:14.11 | foxlit | So far I've got it down to "do end" |
| 15:14.52 | nevcairiel | sounds short enough |
| 15:14.52 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 15:15.13 | foxlit | 2.1 seems to require dummy code inside <Binding> to make it show up in keybinds. |
| 15:15.21 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 15:15.25 | nevcairiel | thats why my bindings dont who |
| 15:15.27 | nevcairiel | *show |
| 15:15.32 | foxlit | :) |
| 15:15.37 | Mikk | gogo update teh wiki |
| 15:15.56 | nevcairiel | <Binding name="BT3BUTTON14" runOnUp="true"> |
| 15:15.56 | nevcairiel | </Binding> |
| 15:15.58 | nevcairiel | ups |
| 15:16.01 | nevcairiel | thats what i used |
| 15:16.03 | nevcairiel | and they dont work |
| 15:16.07 | nevcairiel | do end fixes that? |
| 15:16.26 | foxlit | Let me just look up what I wrote for PTR |
| 15:16.27 | nevcairiel | maybe a comment |
| 15:17.15 | foxlit | Seems I used "if (false) then DoStuff(); end" |
| 15:17.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:18.09 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:18.14 | nevcairiel | adding a comment works too |
| 15:18.18 | nevcairiel | i just wrote --dummy |
| 15:18.20 | Mikk | oh nice |
| 15:18.46 | foxlit | Guess anything that isn't whitespace works |
| 15:19.57 | foxlit | But nev, if your code is blank, that means you're reassigning it at runtime? |
| 15:20.11 | foxlit | So you don't actually need runOnUp :) |
| 15:20.33 | foxlit | Unless it does something different from what the label says |
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| 15:21.06 | nevcairiel | foxlit: oh yeah, dunno.. doesnt really matter :D |
| 15:22.59 | nevcairiel | i use overwrite bindings to assign it to secure buttons |
| 15:22.59 | nevcairiel | *override |
| 15:22.59 | foxlit | Same :) |
| 15:23.01 | nevcairiel | only way i figured out, to actually use the blizzard keybinding thing with secure buttons |
| 15:23.02 | Mikk | Re: Power/modulus operators.... fine if they're not in the core language... but just have them be dummy operators that libraries can assign stuff to. Problem solved. |
| 15:23.24 | Mikk | Libraries can be just as complex as they like |
| 15:23.36 | Mikk | Tbh, WoW can be seen as a Lua Library, and it's pretty damn complex :> |
| 15:24.01 | nevcairiel | isnt there a modulus operator? |
| 15:24.10 | Josh_Borke | yep, as of 5.1 |
| 15:24.28 | nevcairiel | >>> 5 % 2 |
| 15:24.36 | Mikk | except coghead's lua doesn't have it |
| 15:24.47 | nevcairiel | i broke it |
| 15:24.49 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:24.49 | foxlit | >>> math.mod(5,2) |
| 15:24.54 | Mikk | you wish |
| 15:25.05 | Mikk | >>> math.fmod(5.123) |
| 15:25.13 | Mikk | >>> math.modf(5.123) |
| 15:25.17 | foxlit | fmod is 5.1! |
| 15:25.24 | foxlit | math.mod worked pre-2.0, I think |
| 15:25.41 | Josh_Borke | >>> math.mod(5,2) |
| 15:25.49 | cogwheel|work | Mikk: O.o |
| 15:25.50 | Josh_Borke | >>> "hello" |
| 15:25.55 | cogwheel|work | >>> 5 % 2 |
| 15:26.01 | cogwheel|work | wtb cide |
| 15:26.30 | cogwheel|work | Mikk: 5%2 works for me |
| 15:26.36 | Mikk | not for me |
| 15:26.40 | Mikk | using the latest from wowi |
| 15:26.54 | Mikk | err |
| 15:26.56 | Mikk | i take that back |
| 15:26.58 | cogwheel|work | are you sure it's the right one? |
| 15:27.03 | Mikk | must have tested with lua5.0 binaries :< |
| 15:27.39 | Mikk | (got both 5.0 and 5.1 jumbled up in different dirs on my hd due to wowbench) |
| 15:28.00 | Mikk | (think i have a copy of clads 5.1 somewhere too.. not that i can find it anymore) |
| 15:29.08 | Mikk | umm |
| 15:29.15 | Mikk | > print(2^8) |
| 15:29.16 | Mikk | 128 |
| 15:29.20 | Mikk | 256 even |
| 15:29.22 | Mikk | (hihi) |
| 15:31.37 | Mikk | oh.. shirik was hating the PRESENCE of it.. not the absence of it |
| 15:33.33 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 15:34.20 | Mikk | tis just my WoW abstinence starting to show tbfh |
| 15:38.41 | Thunder_Chil1 | cog, you scared Mikk away |
| 15:39.08 | cogwheel|work | :'( |
| 15:39.58 | Josh_Borke | WAY TO GO! |
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| 15:48.07 | foxlit | Bah, so much UI logic I don't want to write |
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| 15:53.03 | nevcairiel | ui logic is teh suck |
| 15:53.47 | foxlit | Why can't users just type in a string in a specific non-obvious format in chat and leave it at that? |
| 15:57.49 | Vangual | wtb chatbox wizards :) |
| 15:58.29 | Vangual | Do you want to enable X? (Y/n) |
| 15:58.57 | foxlit | IDropDownMenu_AddButton({text=t,value=k,func=UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue,arg1=self,arg2=k},1); |
| 15:59.07 | foxlit | s/IDr/UIDr/ |
| 16:00.02 | foxlit | Does what I'm doing point to a better way? |
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| 16:07.11 | foxlit | Does :Disable() automatically propagate downwards? |
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| 16:31.13 | foxlit | Prat needs a better idea of how to verify url validity |
| 16:31.27 | foxlit | Get [www.p4hire.net!] highlighted :/ |
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| 16:33.28 | foxlit | And UIDropDownMenu_* functions need to decide if they want to take dropdown first or last |
| 16:34.16 | sylvanaar | foxlit change the patterns in urlcopy.lua and submit a patch |
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| 16:42.06 | Shirik | foxlit: |
| 16:42.12 | Shirik | prat highlights a lot of crap ^^ |
| 16:42.19 | Shirik | it seems like all it's doing is looking for dots |
| 16:42.52 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. way for the keyloggers to take advantage of recent events |
| 16:43.03 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:43.04 | Kaydeethree | "If you don't want to use the blizzard downloa" |
| 16:43.10 | Shirik | >.> |
| 16:43.21 | foxlit | Why? |
| 16:43.31 | foxlit | Download from their HTTP mirror, verify with blizzard BT client |
| 16:43.43 | Shirik | or |
| 16:43.52 | Kaydeethree | screw that, just get the .torrent file out of the cache and hand it to azureus |
| 16:43.58 | Shirik | modify TCP tranmissions to identify yourself to the server as 2.1 |
| 16:44.01 | Shirik | and don't patch :D |
| 16:44.10 | TC-Working | or any other torrent program |
| 16:44.10 | Shirik | except that would probably get you banned >.> |
| 16:44.31 | Shirik | on the same note WoW probably uses UDP |
| 16:44.33 | Shirik | I never bothered to look |
| 16:46.50 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 16:47.01 | Shirik | my healer lead just told me he's going to be out of a computer for a month :( |
| 16:47.06 | Shirik | figures >.> |
| 16:48.11 | Shirik | ah well I'll figure it out tomorrow, night all |
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| 17:11.02 | Shirik|zZz | now, to complete the circle, Cairenn must hug me! |
| 17:11.04 | Josh_Borke | shouldn'ty ou be sleeping? |
| 17:11.07 | Shirik|zZz | My master plan is flawless |
| 17:11.19 | Shirik|zZz | I never go to sleep when I say I am :P |
| 17:11.22 | Shirik|zZz | I sleep an hour later |
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| 17:14.32 | Shirik|zZz | anyone here use serenity? |
| 17:20.54 | TC-Working | the ship? |
| 17:22.23 | Shirik|zZz | no |
| 17:22.24 | Shirik|zZz | the addon |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik|zZz | it's essentially necrosis for healers |
| 17:24.23 | Shirik|zZz | cogwheel|work, stop lying |
| 17:24.25 | Shirik|zZz | you're not sorry |
| 17:24.40 | Shirik|zZz | You read way more into what I was saying than was there. I'm sorry if I upset you. |
| 17:24.56 | Shirik|zZz | I know what's going through your head right now "go away I don't want to talk to you anymore" |
| 17:25.02 | cogwheel|work | tbqh, that post was entirely honest... |
| 17:25.22 | Shirik|zZz | meh, after the way he responded to you I lost all respect for him :P |
| 17:29.39 | cogwheel|work | wtf? wednesday after no-patch tuesday and the forums are acting overloaded... |
| 17:33.04 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 17:33.16 | Shirik|zZz | it's all the people "wtf were my patchez" |
| 17:33.59 | Shadowed|Work | Fine for me, it's probably because you're trolling too much =p |
| 17:34.57 | Shirik|zZz | cogwheel|work has his autorefresh set to 500ms |
| 17:35.06 | Shirik|zZz | just slightly under what I ping the forums for >.> |
| 17:35.11 | cogwheel|work | :P |
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| 17:37.38 | Shadowed|Work | I don't think he gets what i'm saying tough.... |
| 17:38.44 | Shadowed|Work | noww the forums are dying |
| 17:39.02 | cogwheel|work | fine for me... |
| 17:39.07 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 17:39.09 | Shadowed|Work | ~lart cogwheel|work |
| 17:39.10 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down cogwheel|work's throat until cogwheel|work puts on 150lbs |
| 17:39.51 | cogwheel|work | hmm... I might qualify for one of those Discovery Health specials now... |
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| 17:40.23 | Shirik|zZz | mmmmm |
| 17:40.30 | Shirik|zZz | I want krispy kreme donuts :( |
| 17:40.38 | Shirik|zZz | actually I have them in the other room but too lazy to get them |
| 17:40.52 | Shadowed|Work | You're suppse to be sleeping |
| 17:41.11 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 17:41.15 | Shirik|zZz | you're trying to get rid of me? |
| 17:41.18 | Shadowed|Work | yes |
| 17:41.51 | Shadowed|Work | hmm |
| 17:42.09 | Shadowed|Work | How would we check to see if the game exited "cleanly", set a flag on PLAYER_LOGOUT I guess and check if it exists on login? |
| 17:43.33 | Shirik|zZz | cleanly as in not crashed? |
| 17:43.42 | Shadowed|Work | yea, as in data was saved to SV |
| 17:43.57 | Shirik|zZz | I would probably do the opposite of that |
| 17:44.06 | Shirik|zZz | set a flag at login, and remove it at logout |
| 17:44.25 | Shirik|zZz | but you come to this problem: I've heard in some cases that writing data at logout doesn't work right |
| 17:44.34 | Shirik|zZz | changing a SV at logout changes it after the SVs are written to disk |
| 17:44.34 | Shadowed|Work | There was a reason I didn't want to do that which i can't remember |
| 17:44.44 | Shirik|zZz | but I don't know if this is true |
| 17:44.47 | Shirik|zZz | it's just something I heard |
| 17:45.01 | foxlit | If you crash, SVs aren't updated |
| 17:45.16 | Shirik|zZz | oi |
| 17:45.18 | Shirik|zZz | duh |
| 17:45.20 | Shadowed|Work | Yea thats the entire point =p |
| 17:45.28 | foxlit | It won't work (tm). |
| 17:45.35 | Shirik|zZz | no, Shadowed|Work, that's the second half of the point |
| 17:45.45 | Shirik|zZz | you know what |
| 17:45.47 | Shadowed|Work | Making honor mod go off of Blizzards estimation - 20% if you exited incorrectly |
| 17:45.49 | Shirik|zZz | I'll just go to sleep as I'm confusing myself |
| 17:45.52 | Shadowed|Work | haha |
| 17:45.56 | Shadowed|Work | success! |
| 17:46.11 | amro | it wouldn't worked unless you save variables before crashing, to clear the flag on login |
| 17:46.19 | amro | s/worked/work/ |
| 17:46.32 | foxlit | Basically, you boot clean state, set dirty flag... crash... and boot to clean state |
| 17:46.35 | Shirik|zZz | right, that's the issue. You can't use a SV to detect this because |
| 17:46.49 | Shirik|zZz | you can't set the dirty flag |
| 17:46.51 | cogwheel|work | unless you force a save with an extra UI reload... |
| 17:46.53 | Shirik|zZz | or clean flag |
| 17:47.09 | Shadowed|Work | If you set the flag before logout, then it would |
| 17:47.12 | foxlit | Shirik: I'd phase that as "you can't _save_ the dirty flag" |
| 17:47.19 | Shirik|zZz | ok |
| 17:47.35 | foxlit | You still need an intermediate, trusted reload. |
| 17:47.36 | Shirik|zZz | right, seriously disappearing now have fun guys |
| 17:47.38 | Shadowed|Work | If the flag exists on login, then it was fine, if it doesn't then you know it crashed |
| 17:47.52 | Shirik|zZz | true |
| 17:47.56 | Shirik|zZz | but then the second login? |
| 17:48.02 | Shirik|zZz | let's say first was ok, second you crashed |
| 17:48.23 | Shadowed|Work | Ah I see what you mean now |
| 17:48.24 | Shadowed|Work | hmm |
| 17:48.26 | Shirik|zZz | flag existed, so we'll clear it. Crash. Clear isn't saved, flag exists on next login |
| 17:48.31 | Shadowed|Work | right |
| 17:48.52 | Shirik|zZz | Better question: Why is the damn game crashing!! rawr! |
| 17:49.16 | Shadowed|Work | Because I spam alt tab 500 times a day and it eventually crashes due to it |
| 17:49.18 | foxlit | Boo! Make PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD save savedvariables! |
| 17:49.54 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed|Work: lern2windowedmode+maximized |
| 17:49.55 | Shadowed|Work | only 5th? |
| 17:50.01 | Shadowed|Work | I don't want to windowed mode! |
| 17:50.29 | cogwheel|work | windowed mode + maximized is exactly the same as fullscreen with a slight FPS hit depending on your video card |
| 17:51.06 | cogwheel|work | and alt-tabbing doesn't have to change graphics context |
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| 17:51.19 | Shadowed|Work | ahh |
| 17:51.30 | Shadowed|Work | interesting |
| 17:52.19 | foxlit | US forums get all the fun UI-related questions :/ |
| 17:52.36 | Shadowed|Work | we also get the crazy ones |
| 17:52.45 | foxlit | Everyone gets crazy ones |
| 17:52.50 | Shadowed|Work | Ours are crazier |
| 17:53.32 | foxlit | Link some! |
| 17:53.47 | Kaydeethree | post #5 of the /castsequence help thread |
| 17:54.01 | foxlit | link I say! Link! |
| 17:54.10 | Shadowed|Work | Someone didn't realize that X is a placeholder |
| 17:54.11 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102910140&postId=1041736596&sid=1#5 |
| 17:55.00 | foxlit | "DONT touch topic: "WoW Model Viewer (5.0.7)" " |
| 17:56.53 | Shadowed|Work | links i say |
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| 17:58.01 | foxlit | I was banking on the absurdity of the title and hoping nobody would actually want to read it |
| 17:58.04 | foxlit | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=286941233&sid=1 |
| 17:58.45 | Shadowed|Work | We get one of those every week |
| 17:58.46 | Kaydeethree | meh. that's a decently common keylogger thread title over in the us forums |
| 17:59.11 | Shadowed|Work | Usually KTM |
| 17:59.41 | Kaydeethree | I haven't seen much of KTM lately. funny that they're using a different site to host the keyloggers now, though |
| 17:59.55 | Shadowed|Work | what'd they change to |
| 18:00.14 | foxlit | I'm surprised we don't hear about addons that wipe all your stuff and fake a GM conversation to laugh at you. |
| 18:00.42 | Kaydeethree | gameomp or something like that |
| 18:01.21 | foxlit | In short, EU UI forums need more love. |
| 18:01.24 | foxlit | Even if it's troll love. |
| 18:02.37 | foxlit | So what's a reasonable LUA implementation of XML templates? |
| 18:03.31 | cogwheel|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102920289&sid=1 |
| 18:03.49 | Kaydeethree | yay for us getting information from the media rather than blizzard |
| 18:03.56 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.30 | Shadowed|Work | They posted about that a while ago |
| 18:04.59 | Shadowed|Work | It was in General forums however, someone was whining about no Totem UI and Tseric mentioned they were working on more important things like VOIP |
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| 18:06.04 | cogwheel|work | >>> "it really does launch automatically now" |
| 18:06.04 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "it really does launch automatically now" |
| 18:06.23 | Cide | yep |
| 18:06.39 | Shadowed|Work | Although, I wonder what they're going to change to make it let them target people by clicking on names |
| 18:07.51 | Shadowed|Work | Sounds like people will start to make alt guilds to abuse guild banks too =p |
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| 18:09.45 | Cide | hmm, Shadowed|Work? |
| 18:09.57 | Kaydeethree | <cogwheel|work> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102920289&sid=1 |
| 18:12.17 | sysrage | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php |
| 18:12.20 | sysrage | hah |
| 18:17.08 | smoke_ | i have this focus macro for sheeping.. how do i make the focus frame disapear if the target is dead? i tried target=focus,nodead |
| 18:17.45 | cogwheel|work | you have to clear your focus |
| 18:17.58 | cogwheel|work | either /focus with nothing targeted or the /clearfocus command |
| 18:20.04 | Mikma | i would like to point out that Tekkub is making an ultimate CC addon atm named ControlFreak |
| 18:20.22 | Mikma | so keep your eyes open for a release in wowi :) |
| 18:20.50 | Mikma | currently it supports Priest, Mage, and Druid. More to come :) |
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| 18:28.19 | foxlit | >>> c = true |
| 18:28.19 | Cide | foxlit: nil |
| 18:28.32 | foxlit | >>> while not (c = true) end; print(c) |
| 18:28.32 | Cide | foxlit: [string "while not (c = true) end; print(c)"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 18:28.37 | foxlit | >>> while not (c = true) do end; print(c) |
| 18:28.37 | Cide | foxlit: [string "while not (c = true) do end; print(c)"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 18:29.26 | foxlit | Inline assignments would make things so much easier :( |
| 18:29.30 | amro | foxlit: the iterpreter forgets vars |
| 18:29.43 | foxlit | Wouldn't get me a parse error |
| 18:29.54 | foxlit | LUA doesn't let you do: (c = true) == true |
| 18:30.34 | amro | lua isn't C :P |
| 18:30.34 | foxlit | >>> (c = true) == true |
| 18:30.35 | Cide | foxlit: [string "(c = true) == true"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 18:30.50 | foxlit | That's a pity. |
| 18:31.14 | cogwheel|work | It's a flaw in C's design imo |
| 18:31.34 | amro | im not a fan of inline assignments |
| 18:31.35 | cogwheel|work | it's a neat little shortcut but bad practice |
| 18:31.45 | foxlit | Here's what I want to do: |
| 18:32.01 | zenzelezz | while I don't see it happening, the assignment could fail |
| 18:32.05 | foxlit | while (element = _G["Element" .. i++]) do element:Disable(); end |
| 18:32.57 | cogwheel|work | while element do element:Disable() i = i + 1; element = _G["Element"..i] end |
| 18:33.04 | foxlit | Seems like I'd have to do while _G["Element" .. i] do _G["Element" .. i]:Disable(); i = i +1; |
| 18:33.43 | foxlit | That means I have to initially assign element |
| 18:33.50 | cogwheel|work | yes |
| 18:34.03 | foxlit | Either way, adds ugliness. |
| 18:35.26 | amro | inline assignments aren't very pretty either :P |
| 18:35.51 | foxlit | Dunno, that example is pretty readable, and doesn't introduce more lines than it should. |
| 18:36.09 | cogwheel|work | imo it eliminates lines that it shouldn't |
| 18:36.20 | cogwheel|work | uses too much implicit logic |
| 18:36.40 | cogwheel|work | like i said, I think it's a flaw in C that you're allowed to do that :P |
| 18:37.26 | cogwheel|work | being able to intermingle assignments into expressions causes innumerable headaches when debugging |
| 18:37.53 | TC-Working | huh, thats cool "Konami is tossing up over 25 years worth of video game soundtracks on iTunes and Rhapsody." i just cant remeber if they have any good music |
| 18:38.07 | TC-Working | s/remeber/remember/ |
| 18:38.12 | cogwheel|work | especially when if (x = 5); compiles |
| 18:38.23 | foxlit | I hate myself later every time I use this philosophy, but the shorter the mundane parts of code are, the better. |
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| 18:39.02 | Josh_Borke | repeat element = _G["Element"..i]; element:Disable(); i = i + 1; until not element; :-D |
| 18:39.14 | foxlit | fails. |
| 18:39.17 | Josh_Borke | no one uses repeats :-( |
| 18:39.45 | foxlit | You need to reassign element at the end of that. |
| 18:39.52 | Josh_Borke | oh yea, well, you know |
| 18:39.58 | foxlit | Or until not _G[] which brings it back to while. |
| 18:40.58 | cogwheel|work | Couldn't you just keep track of how many elements there are and use a for loop? |
| 18:41.10 | foxlit | Spoils the fun |
| 18:41.16 | cogwheel|work | imo that would be more elegant than any of that |
| 18:41.19 | foxlit | Plus I have to update the count. |
| 18:41.28 | foxlit | Whereas while will always work |
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| 18:42.17 | foxlit | Constructing that part of code as essentially code-and-forget, don't really want to mess with it when done |
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| 18:44.16 | cogwheel|work | local element, i = _G["Element"..1], 1; repeat element:Disable(); i = i + 1; element = _G["Element"..i]; until not element |
| 18:45.20 | Kaydeethree | ahaha... I'm amazed this thread in R&D hasn't gotten moved/deleted yet |
| 18:45.21 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102907517&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 18:46.20 | End | hmm, either the OP is completely clueless about that fight, or is trolling |
| 18:46.28 | Kaydeethree | keep reading |
| 18:46.47 | Kaydeethree | it's a political-innuendo thread and everybody but post #2 picked up on it |
| 18:47.41 | End | oh heh |
| 18:48.58 | End | I see what you mean now :P |
| 18:56.02 | foxlit | "The Guild Bank would not support the cost of consumables required for a raid on the Shade of Iran; therefore this topic is moot. |
| 18:56.59 | [dRaCo] | Shade of Iran, lol |
| 19:04.17 | foxlit | Grr! |
| 19:04.25 | foxlit | UIDropDownMenuTemplate:Disable() does nothing |
| 19:04.37 | foxlit | (element inherited from that) |
| 19:05.40 | Kaydeethree | disable the element, not the template |
| 19:06.43 | foxlit | I'm not disabling the template |
| 19:06.55 | foxlit | I'm calling disable on the element inheriting from the template |
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| 19:50.19 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 19:50.47 | foxlit | AssignedBuffs["PlayerName"] = { {buff="Arcane Intellect",limits="stuff"}, ... } |
| 19:51.13 | foxlit | Need to reference a specific inner table :/ |
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| 19:59.04 | foxlit | AssignedBuffs is a table indexed by player names, each value containing a set of inner tables describing an assigned buffs |
| 19:59.12 | foxlit | *no s on the end |
| 19:59.22 | Aella | Right… |
| 20:00.05 | foxlit | I'm making a cute little piece of UI that allows you to modify those assignments |
| 20:00.20 | foxlit | To modify an existing assignment, I need to somehow identify it uniquely |
| 20:01.05 | Aella | Not by index, I guess? |
| 20:03.07 | foxlit | Two indices to keep track of, moderately evil |
| 20:03.19 | foxlit | But would probably work |
| 20:03.26 | Aella | What about just keeping a table reference? |
| 20:03.53 | foxlit | >>> t = {table=true}; a = t; a = nil; print(type(t)); |
| 20:03.53 | Cide | foxlit: "table" |
| 20:04.33 | Aella | What are you trying to do, alter an inner table, remove an inner table, add an inner table? |
| 20:04.50 | foxlit | All three. |
| 20:05.04 | foxlit | But the only ones that are interested are alter and remove |
| 20:05.10 | foxlit | Since adding is rather cheap |
| 20:05.20 | Aella | t = {table=true}; a = t; a.table = false; print(t); |
| 20:05.27 | Aella | >>> t = {table=true}; a = t; a.table = false; print(t); |
| 20:05.27 | Cide | Aella: { ["table"] = false } (#1) |
| 20:06.31 | Aella | You'll probably have to do removal by index. |
| 20:07.05 | Aella | Or you could do a loop. |
| 20:07.35 | foxlit | Think I'll store the indices |
| 20:12.22 | AnduinLothar | wow. i hax. i killed a rogue and a hunter at the same time |
| 20:12.28 | AnduinLothar | loh ftw |
| 20:13.39 | cogwheel|work | "I don't think we're taking votes on it" |
| 20:13.42 | cogwheel|work | <3 drysc |
| 20:14.00 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 20:14.09 | cogwheel|work | AnduinLothar: pfft... I've been doing that for ages on my lock :P |
| 20:14.17 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but that's a lock |
| 20:14.34 | AnduinLothar | i got 2 killing blows on my pally w/o help... |
| 20:14.35 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:14.40 | Josh_Borke | nerf paladins :-P |
| 20:14.42 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 20:14.44 | AnduinLothar | that's like... amazing.. |
| 20:14.46 | Josh_Borke | what spec AL? |
| 20:14.49 | AnduinLothar | holy |
| 20:15.03 | AnduinLothar | holy dps spec lol |
| 20:15.07 | Josh_Borke | cogwheel|work: btw, how do you kill rogues? |
| 20:15.11 | Josh_Borke | AnduinLothar: lol |
| 20:15.19 | cogwheel|work | <.< |
| 20:15.31 | Josh_Borke | i have a couple of lock friends who can't seem to kill them now |
| 20:15.33 | AnduinLothar | and ym pvp gear is jsut a mix of my dps and tanking gear |
| 20:15.42 | AnduinLothar | i have like 2 pieces of resil |
| 20:16.29 | Kaydeethree | meh, my pvp gear is my dps gear. I haven't been bothered to spend honor on +resil gear yet |
| 20:16.49 | Kaydeethree | 7k hp, 11k mana |
| 20:17.00 | AnduinLothar | i actually like the ret pally pvp gear but it doesn't have resil |
| 20:17.15 | AnduinLothar | 8.8khp 6.4k mana |
| 20:18.40 | AnduinLothar | 90 stam tnaking pants help |
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| 20:30.42 | TC-Working | ~moo |
| 20:30.44 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 20:30.52 | TC-Working | there we go, back to normal |
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| 20:36.34 | cogwheel|work | Legendary: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=81949026&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 20:39.01 | TC-Working | that great cog |
| 20:40.01 | TC-Working | s/that/thats |
| 20:40.13 | TC-Working | damit, trailing / |
| 20:40.18 | Mikma | cogwheel|work: that's great :D |
| 20:40.41 | cogwheel|work | I'm gonna do that if I ever get my 'lock to 70 >< |
| 20:41.37 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha |
| 20:41.39 | Kaydeethree | that's awesome |
| 20:42.03 | Kaydeethree | all I can ever do is play portal roulette |
| 20:42.16 | TC-Working | this is from there as well " That's the funniest thing to imagine since I saw a rogue and priest start a duel on the Zep from UC, just to see the priest MC the rogue, and watch him jump off the Zep right before the load screen to Org. Enjoy the walk, sucka." |
| 20:42.25 | TC-Working | i'll have to try that on my priest |
| 20:42.41 | Kaydeethree | 'course, I can be more evil now than I could before xp... all I toss up on lousy nights are darnassus and exodar ports right on top of each other |
| 20:48.27 | Shadowed|Work | Anyone dealt with editing chat messages before? Need to change the honorable kill one but can't edit the GlobalStrings and rather not have to edit the event globals |
| 20:48.52 | Shadowed|Work | as far as i can tell, only "clean" way to do it is to check which chat frames receive the event, and display ours manually |
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| 20:52.10 | cogwheel|work | Just hook ChatFrame_OnEvent and modify the message before passing it along to the original function. |
| 20:52.28 | Shadowed|Work | Modifying the messagemeans changing arg1 though |
| 20:52.40 | Shadowed|Work | And aren't we specifically suppose to avoid that? |
| 20:52.45 | cogwheel|work | hmm... |
| 20:52.57 | Shadowed|Work | Thats what i'm doing currently, trying to find a cleaner way |
| 20:52.59 | cogwheel|work | I thought CF_OE was smarter than that... |
| 20:53.22 | Shadowed|Work | No it isn't, the only thing I could modify is the event passed but not the args without messing with globals. |
| 20:55.26 | cogwheel|work | stupid legacy code |
| 20:55.31 | Shadowed|Work | haha |
| 20:55.37 | Shadowed|Work | So I take it i'm screwed then =p |
| 20:55.54 | cogwheel|work | maybe not... |
| 20:56.09 | cogwheel|work | from iriel's tainting guide: |
| 20:56.24 | cogwheel|work | When code sets global values, the resulting value has the taint of the execution path. |
| 20:56.47 | cogwheel|work | that means to me that when the C code sets arg1-arg9, it should clear the taint for future events |
| 20:58.23 | Shadowed|Work | Well, it sems rather hacky but at least it works I guess. |
| 20:58.30 | Shadowed|Work | R |
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| 20:59.28 | Shadowed|Work | I'll have to test about taint later I guess |
| 21:00.31 | cogwheel|work | When I was testing an addon once, I set "this" to my own value and it didn't seem to cause any problems... |
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| 21:18.59 | sylvanaar | Shadowed|Work Prat uses a capture and addback method |
| 21:20.27 | Josh_Borke | ~mikk |
| 21:20.36 | purl | it has been said that mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT, and he's not Mikma either. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 21:20.36 | sylvanaar | Shadowed|Work you can also hook lower _MessageEventHandler is better if you can use it |
| 21:20.36 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Mikk |
| 21:20.39 | purl | ACTION butts his nose into whatever you were discussing right there and dumps his opinion on you like a metric ton of feces. Mikk never sleeps, he edits |
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| 21:24.19 | Shadowed|Work | sylvanaar: Yea I was debating doing that but I couldn't figure out if it unregisters the events the user unchecks, or if it still receives them and blocks |
| 21:24.47 | foxlit | So, is there already an addon for magtheridon? |
| 21:24.48 | sylvanaar | I just capture any output from the event |
| 21:25.08 | foxlit | With nice clickety displays of who clicks the cubes, who is dead and who didn't manage to click? |
| 21:25.44 | Shadowed|Work | If the user unchecks "Show honor gains", does it still get honor game events to that frame? |
| 21:25.59 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 21:26.19 | Shadowed|Work | That wouldn't work then since I don't want it to showup on the frames that the user has disabled |
| 21:26.30 | sylvanaar | check for output |
| 21:26.34 | Shadowed|Work | (I'm mostly theorywriting right now i can't test anything) |
| 21:26.40 | Shadowed|Work | Wouldn't that mean hooking AddMessage? |
| 21:26.44 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 21:26.47 | sylvanaar | you hook both |
| 21:26.56 | Shadowed|Work | Modify globals, or modify AddMessage...hmmm |
| 21:27.41 | sylvanaar | Its actually capturing addmessage, and then calling addmessage yourself |
| 21:28.14 | Shadowed|Work | This is such a funly hacky thing =( |
| 21:28.30 | sylvanaar | Thats how prat works at least... |
| 21:28.47 | TC-Working | Cide, Ping |
| 21:28.48 | Shadowed|Work | I though the amount of chat frames changes though, or are the 9 all created at game load regardless of use? |
| 21:29.06 | sylvanaar | changes |
| 21:29.15 | DT_ | Thought there were only 7 |
| 21:29.26 | sylvanaar | you can hook them all still though |
| 21:29.26 | Shadowed|Work | Wouldn't that mean you need to check to see if it's hooked on event, and hook it if so? |
| 21:29.33 | Shadowed|Work | ah k |
| 21:29.50 | Shadowed|Work | oh wait I have Prat installed I can just go look there |
| 21:29.57 | sylvanaar | ^.^ |
| 21:31.05 | Shadowed|Work | Oh i see |
| 21:31.10 | Shadowed|Work | er wait no i don't |
| 21:31.17 | sylvanaar | yeah you do |
| 21:31.39 | sylvanaar | prat just has to handle 2 cases (messages it can parse, and ones it cant) |
| 21:31.52 | Shadowed|Work | Why are you hooking _MessageEventHandler if you're hooking AddMessage too? If the frame still gets the event even when the user has it disabled then whats MessageEventHandler needed for |
| 21:32.17 | sylvanaar | MessageEventHandler lets me get the parsed chat text |
| 21:32.23 | __Aella | Chat frames don't get events that the user has disabled—they're unregistered. |
| 21:32.28 | sylvanaar | then i call back into the hook chain |
| 21:32.35 | sylvanaar | and save any output |
| 21:32.45 | sylvanaar | in my addmessage hook |
| 21:33.02 | Shadowed|Work | sylvanaar lied then! |
| 21:33.32 | Shadowed|Work | I already have the message parsed ahead of time, just needed a way to get mine into the correct ones |
| 21:34.13 | Shadowed|Work | I'll have to wait till I getback so i can do a little bit more testing |
| 21:34.39 | sylvanaar | call into the MessageEventHandler hook, but dont return, and save the text in your AddMessage hook |
| 21:35.04 | Shadowed|Work | ah |
| 21:35.46 | sylvanaar | Your addmessage hook, stops the text from being written, then you write it yourself afterwards |
| 21:36.19 | __Aella | I'm so paranoid about hooking anything on the ChatFrame… *twitch* |
| 21:36.28 | sylvanaar | no kidding |
| 21:36.51 | sylvanaar | prat is designed so you can write your own addon without hooking |
| 21:37.03 | sylvanaar | but you have to have prat |
| 21:37.29 | Shadowed|Work | Would be nice if they had an easier method of editing messages without having to either use GlobalStrings or hooking hacks like that |
| 21:37.41 | sylvanaar | thats what prat provides |
| 21:38.21 | __Aella | I'm guessing it doesn't work around taint, though? That's why *I* get paranoid. |
| 21:38.33 | sylvanaar | what doesn't? |
| 21:38.36 | foxlit | Part bypasses default handling mechanism, then? |
| 21:38.44 | __Aella | Prat. |
| 21:38.51 | sylvanaar | bypasses? |
| 21:38.52 | sylvanaar | no |
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| 21:39.06 | sylvanaar | it lets it happen |
| 21:39.22 | sylvanaar | just to a variable instead of the chatframe |
| 21:39.49 | foxlit | Was wondering if it'd break my own processing hooking at some point |
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| 21:40.20 | sylvanaar | prat fires events at a few stages, and passes a message table with the chat line broken into tiny bits |
| 21:40.44 | sylvanaar | so you can alter just one litte part |
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| 21:41.17 | __Aella | The reason I get antsy is that if any taint enters the default code that does the construction of chat messages, *bam*, the fading frames and whisper reply stuff has taint in it. |
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| 21:42.31 | sylvanaar | prat does outbound stuff, but not on protected commands |
| 21:42.56 | Bam__ | who called? :P |
| 21:43.15 | leethal | so, this script complains about line 6, saying 'recurse' is nil. http://wowi.pastey.net/32257 |
| 21:43.32 | leethal | wtb magic mystery solution |
| 21:43.33 | __Aella | Yeo, |
| 21:43.36 | __Aella | *yep |
| 21:43.38 | Xuerian | Tainting is fun. |
| 21:43.39 | sylvanaar | whisper reply is not tainted afaik |
| 21:43.47 | __Aella | You either have to do local recurse; recurse = function (…) … end; |
| 21:44.27 | __Aella | Or do local function recurse (…) … end |
| 21:44.27 | Xuerian | local recurse = function(...) |
| 21:44.29 | leethal | hmm |
| 21:45.01 | __Aella | If you create a function in the same statement as the local variable which will hold it, it can't use said variable. |
| 21:45.11 | leethal | I see |
| 21:45.18 | Xuerian | Oh. |
| 21:45.24 | Xuerian | Ah, point |
| 21:46.03 | sylvanaar | you can do local recurse function recurse(...) local recurse end no? |
| 21:46.12 | Bam__ | but why not use function recurse(...)? |
| 21:46.13 | Xuerian | Well, that's what __Aella said, sans ; |
| 21:46.29 | __Aella | If you use the syntax "local function recurse (…) … end" you can call the function within itself |
| 21:46.31 | Xuerian | __Aella said both :p |
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| 21:46.48 | Bam__ | yes question was more for leethal :P |
| 21:46.59 | Xuerian | Our. |
| 21:47.02 | Xuerian | Ouh* |
| 21:47.38 | sylvanaar | oh yeah my bad |
| 21:47.47 | leethal | yeah, function recurse wins |
| 21:47.55 | Kaydeethree | eesh |
| 21:47.59 | Kaydeethree | spammers out in force yesterday |
| 21:48.04 | Kaydeethree | s/yesterday/today |
| 21:48.06 | leethal | didn't know you could do function() .. end inside a function |
| 21:48.27 | Kaydeethree | got a grand total of 1 whisper yesterday, up to #4 and 5 in my second petition since logging in an hour ago |
| 21:48.43 | Bam__ | it is just a statement |
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| 22:13.01 | Josh_Borke | bb |
| 22:17.49 | Tem | oh nice |
| 22:18.02 | Shadowed|Work | ? |
| 22:18.04 | Tem | I found a lightning sheild buff to steal that gets 100% spell damage |
| 22:18.09 | Shadowed|Work | where? |
| 22:18.13 | Tem | netherstorm |
| 22:19.01 | zenzelezz | the casters in my Botanica teams always ask me to spare the Menders until the priest can MC them, for the +spell damage buff |
| 22:19.44 | Kaso | i love that one <3 |
| 22:19.49 | Kaso | 298 spell damage |
| 22:20.06 | sysrage | tem where? |
| 22:20.10 | sysrage | who? |
| 22:20.35 | Tem | yeah, Kaso |
| 22:20.37 | Tem | <3 |
| 22:20.50 | Tem | sysrage, there's some windserpent things running around |
| 22:25.21 | sysrage | cool |
| 22:30.56 | Bam__ | is there any semantic difference between: 1) f:SetAttribute("type1", "spell") f:SetAttribute("spell", "Blah") and 2) f:SetAttribute("type", "spell") f:SetAttribute("spell1", "Blah") |
| 22:31.25 | ITSBTH | Anyone want to look through my addon? |
| 22:32.13 | cogwheel|work | Bam__: not until you start adding other types and/or spells |
| 22:32.33 | Bam__ | ahh right... so the first seems to be the most versatile |
| 22:34.59 | Bam__ | and the second is simpler if you know you only need one type |
| 22:34.59 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 22:34.59 | Bam__ | cheers |
| 22:35.10 | cogwheel|work | you can even combine them... have a type2 specified but then have spell1 & spell3 |
| 22:35.25 | cogwheel|work | s/type2/type & type2/ |
| 22:35.43 | Bam__ | hmm.. how would that work? |
| 22:35.59 | Bam__ | ahh got it |
| 22:36.29 | cogwheel|work | not sure how much good it would do you, but meh :P |
| 22:37.21 | Bam__ | no.. seem like there are many combinations that basically end up having the same net result |
| 22:40.17 | ITSBTH | Can someone please just look through my code and look for errors? |
| 22:40.50 | cogwheel|work | you haven't posted anything... or given us any idea of what's wrong. |
| 22:41.00 | Bam__ | have you tested it? |
| 22:41.27 | Bam__ | we aren't Lua robots after all :P |
| 22:42.16 | ITSBTH | I know, but I don't wan't to start lua if before I'm sure that there's at least no syntax errors |
| 22:42.26 | ITSBTH | *WoW |
| 22:42.40 | Bam__ | lol.. wow will not explode on you :) |
| 22:42.45 | cogwheel|work | you're asking us to look for syntax errors? |
| 22:42.51 | cogwheel|work | I could understand logic errors but syntax? |
| 22:42.57 | DT_ | WoW is a pretty good syntax checker ;) |
| 22:43.08 | Bam__ | just start wow mate... it's not dangerous |
| 22:43.09 | cogwheel|work | yep. it'll tell you if something's wrong... |
| 22:43.15 | Karrion | as is the standalone lua interpretter |
| 22:43.17 | ITSBTH | But it's slow |
| 22:43.33 | cogwheel|work | ITSBTH: get a standalone lua interpreter and pass the file through luac |
| 22:44.04 | Bam__ | you think we are faster lol? |
| 22:44.04 | ITSBTH | luac... |
| 22:44.04 | ITSBTH | Good idea |
| 22:44.09 | Bam__ | luac -p |
| 22:44.15 | Bam__ | iirc |
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| 22:44.21 | cogwheel|work | if you want to do unit testing too, check out http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 22:44.39 | cogwheel|work | it's got a few extra functions and things to help it behave more wow-like |
| 22:45.15 | Industrial | Anyone use the opera browser? |
| 22:45.22 | Industrial | How do I make opera select the tab to the right of the current or the most right tab if its the last one when I close the current tab? |
| 22:45.24 | cogwheel|work | on my Wii :P |
| 22:45.55 | Industrial | heh |
| 22:46.32 | Bam__ | cogwheel|work: do you know if anyone has tried compiling that on Mac? |
| 22:46.45 | Bam__ | succesfully :P |
| 22:46.48 | cogwheel|work | It's a standard lua source distribution |
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| 22:46.53 | cogwheel|work | with added libraries |
| 22:47.16 | cogwheel|work | just use make in a terminal |
| 22:47.22 | Bam__ | ok... if it's with configure scripts and all, I guess it should work |
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| 22:47.45 | cogwheel|work | not even that complicated. |
| 22:47.58 | Bam__ | I currently just use the normal distribution |
| 22:48.21 | cogwheel|work | it's just 'make macosx' |
| 22:48.33 | Bam__ | cool... will give it a try |
| 22:49.31 | Ku | Hello. Does anyone know if B:Lua is stable enough to use fully? |
| 22:50.27 | Bam__ | it's just not always as simple... I tried compiling the extended regex lib on Mac... could not make it work at all :/ |
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| 22:52.35 | cogwheel|work | Ku: the B:Lua site hasn't had any updates since april 05... there are plenty of alternatives though. check out lua-users.org |
| 22:54.35 | Ku | I noticed the lack of updates, but will it work? I mean, there are no huge flaws in it, right? |
| 22:56.38 | Ku | I've been reading a lot about AddOns lately, but could one of you give me a plain-English description of what it means to "hook" something? Like, if I can "hook the chat window." |
| 22:56.48 | ITSBTH | How do i add slash commands? (first time making a WoW addon) |
| 22:56.58 | cladhaire | start by searching for slash command on wowwiki.com |
| 22:57.13 | cladhaire | since we're going to link you there anyway, and probably be rather rude about it =) |
| 22:57.47 | Bam__ | RTFWW |
| 22:58.02 | Shadowed|Work | RTFW would be fine |
| 22:58.58 | sysrage | damn. closed the new helper window in x-perl and now i can't figure out how to bring it back |
| 22:59.23 | ITSBTH | I looked there, the code I found didn't work |
| 22:59.31 | ITSBTH | Found the problem |
| 23:00.48 | ITSBTH | Can anyone look through my code? |
| 23:00.59 | cladhaire | yes, if you post it as pastey.net |
| 23:01.19 | ITSBTH | http://wowi.pastey.net/32287 |
| 23:01.51 | Ku | I guess no one knows about hooks? :( |
| 23:01.56 | Kaso | sec im typing |
| 23:01.58 | Bam__ | I found the bug... it's in Norwegian :D |
| 23:02.05 | DT_ | lol |
| 23:02.21 | Ku | Okay. Thanks. :) |
| 23:02.59 | Kaso | Ku to hook a function is basically to make your function be called when the hook target is called; You keep a reference to the orginal function, then make a new function with the global name of the orginal, which calls the reference to the "real" orginial then calls the function of your choosing |
| 23:03.27 | Kaso | local a= hookTargetFunction function hookTargetFunction(...) a(...) MyFunc(...) end |
| 23:03.30 | Kaso | thats a simple hook |
| 23:04.03 | cogwheel|work | Ku: hooks have nothing to do with B:Lua... A more appropriate question would be "can anyone recommend a good Lua editor" to which I would reply "SciTE-WoWInterface" :P |
| 23:04.23 | ITSBTH | Notepad++ FTW |
| 23:04.44 | Kaso | weren't they seperate questions cogwheel? |
| 23:04.48 | cogwheel|work | notepad++ is nice, but Cladhaire has added WoW API specs to SciTE :P |
| 23:05.14 | cogwheel|work | Kaso: gah... i was defeated by timing :P |
| 23:05.35 | Bam__ | I've added direct links to wowwiki to TextMate :P |
| 23:05.39 | Ku | cogwheel: I already have an Lua editor. I just wanted to know what a hook was. :( |
| 23:05.39 | cogwheel|work | but the rest of my comment stands ;) |
| 23:05.58 | ITSBTH | But did anyone spot the problem with my addon? |
| 23:06.22 | cogwheel|work | You can't have newlines in a chat message |
| 23:06.36 | cogwheel|work | but you still haven't told us what's wrong. |
| 23:06.40 | ITSBTH | http://wowi.pastey.net/32312 |
| 23:06.41 | cogwheel|work | is it giving you an error? |
| 23:06.47 | Kaso | Ku, do you understand my explaination? |
| 23:06.47 | ITSBTH | ^^^^ errors |
| 23:06.56 | Ku | Also, thanks a lot, Kaso, but why use a hook instead of just call the function proper? |
| 23:07.16 | cladhaire | ITSBTH: You should define the slash command function before you try to use it. |
| 23:07.23 | Kaso | hooks are for when you want to be notified when a function is called by something else |
| 23:07.26 | cladhaire | SlashCmdList["SINGA"] = SingAlong_SingCommand |
| 23:07.32 | cladhaire | that evaluates to SlashCmdList["SINGA"] = nil |
| 23:07.38 | Xuerian | Or to change the effects of the hooked function |
| 23:07.50 | Kaso | or a mutated type of hooks you can over-ride what the function returns to the default ui/other addons with something of your own |
| 23:07.57 | Ku | Oh. So, if you want text to display when a function causes the player to do something in game, you would use a hook? |
| 23:08.24 | Kaso | hooks or events |
| 23:08.25 | Karrion | cladhaire: wouldn't the function be defined before the OnLoad was executed though? |
| 23:08.34 | cladhaire | oh yes |
| 23:08.34 | Kaso | events for everything you can then hooks if you cant do it with events |
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| 23:08.35 | cladhaire | my mistake |
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| 23:09.07 | ITSBTH | I have no idea what's wrong :( |
| 23:09.09 | cladhaire | well |
| 23:09.11 | cladhaire | you dont make the table |
| 23:09.12 | Bam__ | looks like you should post both the XML and the TOC |
| 23:09.14 | cladhaire | that's problem #1 |
| 23:09.22 | Ku | Okay. Now for a question about my current WIP. I want a function to be called whenever a player opens a store. |
| 23:09.32 | Ku | if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") then |
| 23:09.32 | Ku | NewRecipe_init(); |
| 23:09.32 | Ku | end |
| 23:09.35 | cladhaire | you can't index a table until you've made the table. |
| 23:09.41 | DT_ | Register for MERCHANT_SHOW, Ku |
| 23:09.48 | Ku | Except, for "VARIABLES_LOADED"... right, DT_. |
| 23:09.48 | Karrion | ITSBTH: one thing I can see is that Singalong_Pos is never reset... so after you sing one thing, you'll not be able to sing anything else (until ui reload) |
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| 23:10.14 | Bam__ | that might be an advantage :D |
| 23:10.15 | cladhaire | as a matter of fact, that's EXACTLy what the error you pasted says |
| 23:10.16 | cladhaire | so |
| 23:10.25 | ITSBTH | Oops |
| 23:10.26 | Ku | I can see the message when VARIABLES_LOADED fires, but the MERCHANT_SHOW clause of the if never triggers. |
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| 23:10.39 | Ku | Do I have to do something special with my functions? |
| 23:10.40 | ITSBTH | Forgot that |
| 23:10.57 | DT_ | If you're still using the same code that you posted on the Macro & UI forums, you never actually registered for the MERCHANT_SHOW event |
| 23:11.45 | Ku | What do you mean, "registered"? |
| 23:11.55 | Ku | Do I have to do something special in my Lua file? |
| 23:12.04 | Ku | Other than just declare the function? |
| 23:12.10 | Kaso | frame:RegisterEvent("event_name") |
| 23:12.13 | ITSBTH | Found the error |
| 23:12.14 | cogwheel|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 23:12.17 | DT_ | Wherever it was that you did this:RegisterEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED"), you also need this:RegisterEvent("MERCHANT_SHOW") |
| 23:12.24 | ITSBTH | Forgot to declare SingAlong_Songs as a table |
| 23:12.28 | Ku | That makes sense. |
| 23:12.47 | Ku | So, I need to register all the events I am checking for? |
| 23:12.53 | DT_ | Yes |
| 23:12.54 | cogwheel|work | yes |
| 23:14.59 | Ku | So, would something like this work (in theory): http://wowi.pastey.net/32317 |
| 23:15.24 | cogwheel|work | yes, if you spelled elseif correctly :P |
| 23:15.33 | Ku | Yeah... used to PHP. |
| 23:16.07 | DT_ | Hehe, is your lua file called hello_world.lua? ;) |
| 23:16.37 | Ku | I guess! :3 |
| 23:17.33 | Ku | (I don't mean to be rude, but is Cogwheel always so... terse?) |
| 23:17.47 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:17.57 | cladhaire | its tough not to be, when you do this all day long. |
| 23:18.02 | cladhaire | as a volunteer :P |
| 23:18.08 | Ku | Right, but you do it by choice. |
| 23:18.11 | Kaydeethree | don't assume hostility for terseness |
| 23:18.14 | Bam__ | you don't have to you know :P |
| 23:18.17 | cladhaire | terse ~= hostile. |
| 23:18.26 | cladhaire | that's not the point |
| 23:18.30 | cladhaire | you get terse, because you do it all day long |
| 23:18.34 | Ku | Also, on the forums, he seemed to want to argue. |
| 23:18.36 | cladhaire | that doesn't mean you're being a dick, or being hostile |
| 23:18.44 | cladhaire | but I'm not going to type two sentences, when two words will do |
| 23:18.45 | Ku | Of course. Sorry. |
| 23:18.51 | cladhaire | :P |
| 23:18.58 | Bam__ | it should all be for fun in my opinion... both for the people asking and the people answering :) |
| 23:18.59 | MentalPower|Work | Programming question, how do I intercept a keyboards input to prune inputs from it. I have a card reader at work, but I only want it to read chars 7-14 from a 30+ long string |
| 23:19.21 | zenzelezz | better watch our before Cairenn smacks you, Ku :-o |
| 23:19.26 | zenzelezz | *out |
| 23:19.27 | DT_ | We |
| 23:19.38 | DT_ | nvm |
| 23:19.43 | Ku | I just figured that if you did this all day long, you would want to do it and expect to answer the same questions, just by nature. |
| 23:19.56 | Ku | But, like I said, I'm sorry to offend. I was just wondering if it was just me. |
| 23:19.59 | DT_ | Oh I'm sure they expect it |
| 23:20.18 | Kaydeethree | that's what the FAQs are for |
| 23:20.20 | zenzelezz | they prefer to answer less basic questions |
| 23:20.27 | Kaydeethree | I'm on the board to answer new and interesting questions |
| 23:20.31 | zenzelezz | that aren't answered all over the WoW sites |
| 23:21.06 | Bam__ | well then don't answer old and boring questions :) |
| 23:21.15 | Ku | Here's a less-basic question: How can I look at an item in a bag or window or loot drop and determine if it's a) un-usable and b) already learned (if a recipe)? |
| 23:21.26 | Ku | Are those all item propertities? |
| 23:21.31 | Industrial | ANyone know where I can find the numbers of the bars blizzard uses for classes that have stances? (and please let them be above 4, I use 4 actionbars :P) |
| 23:22.21 | Bam__ | Ku: most of that kind of info will have to be parsed from the tooltip unfortunately |
| 23:24.21 | Bam__ | Ku: only the most basic info is available directly via a simple function call |
| 23:24.21 | Industrial | <@cladhaire> that doesn't mean you're being a dick, or being hostile |
| 23:24.21 | Industrial | no, YOU are a dick. |
| 23:24.21 | cladhaire | this is true |
| 23:24.21 | Industrial | aw too slow |
| 23:24.21 | cladhaire | pwnt |
| 23:24.21 | cladhaire | imo |
| 23:24.21 | a-stray-cat | a dick with @ |
| 23:24.21 | a-stray-cat | >.> |
| 23:24.21 | Industrial | yarly :( |
| 23:24.21 | Bam__ | :O |
| 23:24.59 | Ku | So, is it possible to move the mouse and click through all the pages of a vendor window and parse that information all without the player knowing? |
| 23:25.17 | DT_ | You don't have to actually move the mouse, there are tooltip methods to set it to items |
| 23:25.29 | DT_ | And as long as you keep it hidden, the user will have no idea |
| 23:25.33 | Ku | Hmm... clever. |
| 23:25.50 | Bam__ | ku: nah it's done in a more programmatic way... but it's not the easiest thing to do... if you are new to addons... in my opinion :) |
| 23:26.10 | Ku | Yeah. My biggest roadblock is knowledge of the API. |
| 23:26.23 | Ku | Even after scouring it, I'm not sure which functions do what and how. |
| 23:26.37 | Bam__ | few people are :P |
| 23:26.54 | Industrial | hehe |
| 23:26.59 | Bam__ | there is a lot of trial and error involved |
| 23:27.42 | Bam__ | but read this if you dare: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 23:27.55 | Bam__ | :P |
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| 23:30.13 | Ku | I can't use this: GetMerchantItemInfo(index)? |
| 23:30.42 | DT_ | It won't return all of what you want |
| 23:30.53 | DT_ | You can use it to find out if the item is usable, but not if you the person already knows that recipe |
| 23:31.15 | Ku | Well, it returns "IsUsable." You can't use an item if you already know it. |
| 23:31.23 | Ku | Or am I thinking too much on the player side of things? |
| 23:31.41 | Bam__ | "usable" has many definitions I think :P |
| 23:31.55 | DT_ | That would require some testing, I don't think any of us know that off the top of our heads |
| 23:31.58 | Ku | It says: "Number - Is 1 if the player can use this item, nil otherwise" |
| 23:32.02 | Ku | Yeah, I guess. |
| 23:32.04 | Ku | I should test it. |
| 23:32.30 | Ku | For the merchant index, is that index just on the current page, or does it go 1-n, where n is his last item? |
| 23:32.51 | DT_ | 1-n I'd guess |
| 23:33.04 | DT_ | But maybe I'm wrong |
| 23:33.19 | Bam__ | I dunno either.. is there a function to "turn pages" so to speak? |
| 23:33.46 | Bam__ | if not, then it's probably all of the items on all pages |
| 23:34.32 | DT_ | MerchantNextPageButton_OnClick() but then that would mean the user would actually see something going on, which is why I think it's 1-n |
| 23:34.54 | Ku | Okay... |
| 23:34.55 | Ku | Cool. |
| 23:35.17 | Bam__ | looks like it... vendors don't have that many items on them so it's probably not been necessary to split up the data |
| 23:35.25 | Bam__ | unlike the AH |
| 23:39.28 | TC-Working | ~seen Cide |
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| 23:41.43 | Ku | So, how about something like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/32340 |
| 23:41.59 | Ku | Look viable? |
| 23:42.22 | Ku | (I know the SendChatMessage is janky, but I'm not sure how to add a user-only message.) |
| 23:42.35 | DT_ | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(msg) |
| 23:42.37 | Kaydeethree | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("stuff") |
| 23:42.49 | Ku | Ah. Much nicer. :) |
| 23:43.03 | Bam__ | is that just for testing how it works? |
| 23:43.29 | Ku | Yes. |
| 23:43.39 | Bam__ | looks fine then |
| 23:43.49 | DT_ | Anyone in a lua-wading mood? I can't get my editbox to show up --> http://wowi.pastey.net/32338 |
| 23:43.52 | Ku | Okay. Going to test. BRB. |
| 23:44.21 | Bam__ | but use local variables |
| 23:44.21 | Bam__ | local name, texture, price, quantity, numAvailable, isUsable, extendedCost =GetMerchantItemInfo(index) |
| 23:44.42 | Bam__ | get used to it from the start.. even if it's only a test :) |
| 23:45.37 | DT_ | The problem in my pastey is in the APM_Tab1 function .. the editbox is created but isn't visible |
| 23:45.42 | DT_ | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:46.09 | DT_ | Well, the *actual* problem is probably in APM_EditBoxTemplate but I can't find it |
| 23:47.39 | Bam__ | have you given it a size? |
| 23:48.02 | DT_ | Woops ... |
| 23:48.09 | Bam__ | :P |
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| 23:48.48 | Bam__ | so it's there really.. you just can't see it :D |
| 23:48.51 | DT_ | Works now, ty |
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| 23:52.53 | [1]Ku | WOW crashed on me. :P |
| 23:53.07 | [1]Ku | Is there another Ku in here? |
| 23:53.11 | DT_ | Yup |
| 23:53.14 | Bam__ | you destroyed the game?!?!? |
| 23:53.16 | [1]Ku | ...that's me. |
| 23:53.32 | [1]Ku | No, my computer freezes the second time I load WOW in a session. |
| 23:53.39 | [1]Ku | It's lame. |
| 23:53.45 | Bam__ | oh |
| 23:53.50 | [1]Ku | Heh, no worries. :) |
| 23:54.12 | [1]Ku | Now, where do I delcare these variables as local? |
| 23:54.19 | ITSBTH | Finally! My code works |
| 23:54.28 | [1]Ku | Can I just put "local" in front of the whole list of variables? |
| 23:54.33 | Bam__ | yes |
| 23:54.44 | TC-Working | Shirik|zZz, pokety poke poke poke |
| 23:57.20 | DT_ | Argh, just when I get close to getting something done ... Gruul invites >.> |
| 23:57.51 | ITSBTH | Here is the version whoe works: http://wowi.pastey.net/32351-xr1j |