00:00.23 | TC-Working | that sounded so wrong |
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00:03.19 | Shirik | o.o |
00:03.25 | Shirik | I jus saw this guy "Comidus" |
00:03.29 | Shirik | for a second I thought it was Corrodias |
00:03.44 | Corrodias | ^_^ |
00:05.34 | chronx | ok when you're in an arena you know how it says something like "the arena will start in one minute" ... how would i ehm.. "catch" that event? |
00:05.42 | chronx | hook the chatframe? |
00:05.52 | TC-Working | check for text i suppose |
00:06.22 | chuckg | Hook the AddMessage() of ChatFrame1. |
00:06.32 | chuckg | Or I imagine there's an event associated with it as well. |
00:06.43 | TC-Working | you could scroll through one of the other pvp mods that let you know at 1 min to start |
00:06.52 | TC-Working | s/let/lets/ |
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00:10.29 | chronx | :( theres only 3 arena events and they aren't related to in-arena business -_- laaame |
00:16.59 | Legorol | Can Shaman use 2-handed maces? |
00:18.27 | ckknight | yes |
00:18.45 | Legorol | thanks |
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00:46.24 | chronx | alas i could not get the arena event to trigger my addon |
00:47.16 | chronx | do you think i'll have to hook the chat frame to detect the "the arena will start in one minute" message? there isn't any "events" on wowwiki for the time before starting |
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00:47.36 | TC-Working | prolly |
00:47.57 | TC-Working | what about some of the other mods? |
00:48.12 | chronx | i looked at one but it some how magically got the event... |
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00:48.28 | TC-Working | heh |
00:48.42 | chronx | just looked in arg1 for the "arena will start in..." message.... |
00:48.49 | chronx | but arg1 wasn't defined |
00:51.49 | batrick | chronx |
00:51.53 | batrick | get DevTools |
00:51.57 | batrick | google it |
00:52.04 | batrick | then i think u do |
00:52.07 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
00:52.09 | batrick | or something like that |
00:52.13 | TC-Working | ~devtools |
00:52.14 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
00:52.36 | batrick | you can use it to figure out which event is being sent |
00:52.53 | batrick | for "arena starts in 15 seocnds" or whatever it is you're looking for |
00:56.16 | TC-Working | this is how (i think) la vendetta does it http://wowi.pastey.net/25312 |
00:57.13 | TC-Working | actualy, reload that...redid it |
00:59.26 | chronx | somthing like line 214 is what was done in the addon i looked at... |
00:59.36 | chronx | but where is arg1 defined? |
01:00.03 | TC-Working | you mean arg 1 on line 488? |
01:00.11 | TC-Working | err..489* |
01:00.31 | chronx | yes... its not defined |
01:00.48 | chronx | its compared but not set anywhere... unless the 'event' (w/e that is) defines it |
01:01.23 | TC-Working | indeed, it looks like it is greated within that if string each time |
01:01.44 | TC-Working | err..generated* |
01:02.03 | TC-Working | since there are no other args i suppose it makes sense |
01:02.36 | chronx | ?? |
01:03.04 | TC-Working | well it's not refering to arg2 so i can only assume that whatever info it is collecting is going to be arg1 no matter what |
01:03.34 | TC-Working | anyways, time to go home. |
01:03.37 | TC-Working | laters all |
01:03.44 | chronx | later |
01:15.28 | Corrodias | aha, one of praid's frames just froze |
01:15.42 | cladhaire | aye |
01:15.47 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
01:15.58 | cladhaire | kill someone? |
01:15.58 | cladhaire | i hate when that happens =/ |
01:16.05 | Corrodias | not even in the arena! |
01:16.46 | JoshBorke | lol |
01:16.49 | JoshBorke | kill someone? |
01:17.12 | JoshBorke | like, DI? |
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01:17.25 | Corrodias | DI? |
01:17.30 | Tain | Holy crap Jericho is just one of the best shows on TV. |
01:17.31 | Corrodias | people did die |
01:17.42 | JoshBorke | divine intervention. instantly kills the paladin :-P |
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01:27.06 | Corrodias | well no, she's a hunter |
01:27.10 | Corrodias | might have feigned death... |
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01:27.18 | Corrodias | seems to have unfrozen |
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01:34.17 | AnduinLothar | so after getting the mats for +healign i decided i wanted spellsurge lol.. so I sold the primals and bought the shards, heh. prolly made $ on the deal |
01:35.09 | AnduinLothar | 8 primal waters sold for 140g in 2hrs |
01:38.56 | chronx | ok |
01:38.58 | chronx | can someone help me? |
01:41.03 | Corrodias | i sure can |
01:44.24 | chronx | :) |
01:44.38 | chronx | hmm not sure i need it.. let me see here |
01:45.16 | Corrodias | IF your problem is not having a screenshot of a tauren druit cat, a forsaken, and a shaman wolf performing lewd acts |
01:45.20 | Corrodias | i can remedy that now |
01:46.19 | chronx | lol me 65 mage, and a 67 rogue just killed two 67 druids in 2v2 arena |
01:46.24 | chronx | we raaaped them ^_^ |
01:47.20 | Gngsk | you win at life |
01:48.22 | Cairenn|afk | I hate that expression |
01:48.29 | Cairenn|afk | (not you Gngsk) |
01:48.37 | Gngsk | rape? |
01:48.49 | Cairenn|afk | indeed |
01:49.00 | chronx | ah. let me replace that |
01:49.07 | chronx | s/raaaped/pwnnnned/ |
01:49.11 | chronx | -_- |
01:49.12 | Cairenn|afk | much better |
01:49.26 | Corrodias | we forcefully humiliated them |
01:49.52 | Cairenn|afk | it's the same as all the people that mock things by saying "that's gay" - it's insensitive at the very minimum |
01:50.16 | Corrodias | can we say murder? |
01:50.42 | Corrodias | stuffed them in the lockers? >_> |
01:50.48 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
01:50.51 | chronx | ohh i like that one |
01:51.02 | chronx | hey guythz! we totally stuffed them in the lockers! |
01:51.59 | Cairenn|afk | I didn't say you couldn't use it, I just said that I hate it, that's a personal opinion |
01:55.47 | Tain | Can we get rid of "pwned" yet? Hasn't it had it's fifteen minutes of fame? |
01:56.34 | chronx | i hate it myself |
01:56.36 | chronx | can't stand it |
01:56.42 | chronx | especially when people pronounce it |
01:56.56 | chronx | "omigawd he pawned j00!" |
01:58.33 | chronx | wow i've spent way too much time on this crappy addon |
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02:21.02 | Industrial | Tain: actually, do you know something to replace the phrase? |
02:21.33 | Industrial | Tain: it applies to any situation wher someone loses badly.. |
02:21.45 | Industrial | I mean gets oenwd |
02:21.48 | Industrial | =D |
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02:39.36 | Tain | Industrial I'd like to replace the phrase with, "I'm an uneducated, ignorant waste of cells. |
02:40.37 | Corrodias | He got Tained |
02:40.53 | Corrodias | just FYI |
02:41.11 | Corrodias | i consider the lack of a comma when addressing someone like that an equal admission of lack of mental activity, Tain. |
02:41.11 | ckknight | chronx: pawn? seriously |
02:41.12 | ckknight | ? |
02:41.25 | ckknight | I say it like "pone" |
02:41.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friends and i have converted to "panoolied" |
02:43.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure that originated from the firearms half-life mod forums |
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02:48.32 | bnovc | good evening |
02:49.15 | Shirik | evening |
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02:50.23 | Industrial | Tain: but tain, What about the educated waste of cells like me? |
02:50.24 | bnovc | does anyone know of a mod that will give me statistics about an arena match to see how everyone on my team did? |
02:50.29 | SirQuady | hello |
02:50.34 | Shirik | evening |
02:50.51 | SirQuady | i have a question about AddOns that i cant seem to find answers to. |
02:50.57 | Shirik | Anyone got experience with ethereal network analyzer? |
02:51.03 | Shirik | SirQuady: This is where to ask |
02:51.04 | SirQuady | do they, in general, affect internet connection speed? |
02:51.08 | SirQuady | becaus i have dialup |
02:51.11 | Corrodias | I BELIEve i played just a very small amount with ethereal |
02:51.11 | Shirik | no |
02:51.13 | Shirik | well |
02:51.21 | Shirik | yes, but it's not enough to make a difference |
02:51.23 | Shirik | even on dialup |
02:51.25 | SirQuady | ah ok |
02:51.27 | SirQuady | goooood |
02:51.44 | Shirik | Corrodias: Is there a way I can turn off the coloring for TCP CHECKSUM INCORRECT |
02:51.48 | Shirik | if you know |
02:52.02 | Shirik | my card does checksum offloading so every packet comes in incorrect >< |
02:52.15 | SirQuady | Thanks Shirik! |
02:53.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone know of any web-based DKP packages other than EQDKP and NDKP? |
02:54.03 | Shirik | only heard of eqdkp tbh |
02:54.14 | Shirik | then we realized |
02:54.15 | Shirik | dkp sucks |
02:54.56 | Corrodias | sorry, i don't remember, shirik |
02:56.25 | Shirik | it's ok |
02:56.28 | Shirik | I'll find it sometime |
02:57.55 | Industrial | i dont understand one thing with DKP |
02:58.37 | Industrial | you cant spend DKP if you arent attending right? lol |
02:58.42 | Tain | DKP doesn't suck, some implementations do. |
02:59.34 | Corrodias | correct, industrial |
03:00.10 | Corrodias | what don't you understand? |
03:00.28 | Industrial | value in DKP of items |
03:00.34 | Industrial | is it fixed? |
03:00.35 | Shirik | Tain: We'd prefer to run on a basis of need, not greed |
03:00.40 | Corrodias | must be decided on by the guild leadership |
03:00.43 | Shirik | even if you haven't gotten anything, ever |
03:00.45 | Industrial | Shirik: agreed. |
03:00.57 | Shirik | someone else who might already have everything might be a better fit for an item |
03:01.10 | Shirik | and that's why we have our own system, which we think works. Everyone's happy and that's what matters |
03:01.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a big fan of class priorities |
03:01.32 | Shirik | and it's not class priority |
03:01.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | mainly because in my last guild, druids were last priority on everything except leather with healing stats |
03:01.58 | Tain | Of course the terms "need" and "greed" are just as absurd as "pwned" |
03:02.06 | Corrodias | do you award the newbie tank who needs new gear or the main tank for whom it would be a minor upgrade but would benefit everybody? |
03:02.16 | Industrial | Tain: how are they absurd? |
03:02.22 | Corrodias | absurd is absurd |
03:02.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr |
03:02.29 | Shirik | Corrodias is absurd imo |
03:02.44 | Tain | They are false terms. |
03:02.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd go with the newbie, as long as i knew they weren't gonna pick up and leave |
03:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if the MT can't make it, you're screwed |
03:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | or he quits, or whatever |
03:03.19 | Shirik | oh sorry Corrodias I didn't see that answer |
03:03.22 | Shirik | question* |
03:03.35 | Industrial | Tain: they are correct. Roll (!) for need or for greed, if there is need - greed is skipped. Whats wrong with that? |
03:03.42 | Shirik | it would most likely go to the newbie tank, but that would probably be how the MT wants it too |
03:03.50 | Shirik | it's a group effort, not one person deciding something |
03:03.58 | Shirik | in almost every circumstance it's a consensus on whom it should go to |
03:04.06 | Shirik | but this requires a tightly knit group to work, too |
03:04.19 | Industrial | Shirik: right, and being mature about it is the best thing. Letting someone else have things if you are already loaded or got something last time. |
03:04.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember almost gquitting when a rogue rolled on the best feral druid boots in the game at the time |
03:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ones from AQ20 |
03:04.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | mainly because he was next in line for something better :/ |
03:05.01 | Tain | Quitting over a piece of loot says more about you than him, to me. |
03:05.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and because he rolled and it was dps leather, it was his |
03:05.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it wasn't one piece of loot |
03:05.17 | Tain | You just said it was. |
03:05.19 | Shirik | if someone were to quit about loot, we were better off without him |
03:05.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was the straw that almost broke the camel's back |
03:05.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | that stuff was happening for a long time |
03:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids not getting ANYTHING |
03:05.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | except for crappy healing leather i didn't really want, i took it only to avoid it getting sharded |
03:06.09 | Tain | Ah druids don't deserve anything anyway. |
03:06.13 | Industrial | reminds me of that wow vvideo |
03:06.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kinda snapped one day |
03:06.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and yelled at the guild leader |
03:06.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was interesting |
03:06.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | he and i talked about it on AIM afterwards and got back on good terms, but i chose to not come back because of scheduling conflicts |
03:07.05 | Tain | Ah well, another mediocre Lost. I'm not surprised, I just can't help but hope for more. |
03:07.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | aka i didn't feel like playing 6 hours a night 7 days a week for gear i didn't even want |
03:07.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldn't progess the aspect of my character i wanted, and thus my dps was like 1/4 of the rogues because they'd get the same slot upgraded 5 times before i'd get one |
03:08.30 | Industrial | pvp >_> |
03:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | queue times were 30 mins for wsg, 2 hours for AV |
03:08.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the time |
03:09.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | now they're about 10 mins for wsg, 1-1:30 for AV |
03:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked the encounters of raiding |
03:09.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i didn't like having to retry because people couldn't learn freaking strategies the first 20 times |
03:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus never being able to upgrade my character |
03:10.17 | Corrodias | yeah |
03:11.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i felt like an illegal immigrant or something, working harder than everyone else and getting paid crap :[ |
03:11.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, not everyone |
03:11.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | but there was a fair share of freeloaders getting epic'd out while i was still in blues and greens in freaking AQ40 |
03:13.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and nothing is quite as infuriating at seeing a hunter get leather over you, especially the hunter that can't even freaking tranq at the right time :/ |
03:13.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | [/rant] |
03:13.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to sleep |
03:13.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm getting rantier than usual :[ |
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05:34.28 | Shirik | did the featured artist color change or is my browser just being stupid |
05:34.35 | Shirik | and Cairenn|afk is totally not afk |
05:35.01 | Kaydeethree | she is marked as /away, though |
05:35.11 | Thunder_Child | she lies |
05:35.13 | Shirik | she's turning into Kirkburn|afk imo |
05:35.25 | Shirik | where afk == here, and no afk == gone |
06:11.52 | Thunder_Child | ~bored |
06:12.06 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
06:12.28 | Thunder_Child | figures.....i don't drink |
06:17.12 | pastamancer | perhaps you should |
06:17.41 | Thunder_Child | Na, i think i'll pass |
06:17.51 | Shirik | beer only causes problems :P |
06:17.52 | pastamancer | ever been to PDC? |
06:18.02 | Thunder_Child | nope |
06:18.07 | pastamancer | order the baseball steak |
06:18.07 | pastamancer | ask G about it |
06:18.33 | Thunder_Child | i dont get to go on outings |
06:18.55 | Thunder_Child | oh.right the pacific dining car |
06:18.59 | pastamancer | yeah |
06:19.21 | Thunder_Child | i have heard that he has put down almost 4G's there |
06:20.17 | pastamancer | it's truly a sight to behold |
06:20.48 | Thunder_Child | i might go there at some point, but i'm not much of a steak eater |
06:21.11 | pastamancer | ah, well it's definitely the place for steak |
06:21.20 | pastamancer | and wine |
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06:24.15 | Thunder_Child | neither of which i am particularly fond of |
06:24.34 | pastamancer | what a shame |
06:24.44 | pastamancer | but, to each their own |
06:24.54 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
06:25.06 | pastamancer | I'm still tickled at how small the world is |
06:25.40 | Thunder_Child | well, i'm sure G sticks out in a crowd anyways |
06:26.10 | pastamancer | indeed |
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06:57.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Shirik, \o/ |
06:57.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Only an hour and a half late ^^ |
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08:40.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay! I hit exalted with Stormwind on my draenei! My level *35* draenei! :D |
08:42.41 | ckknight | grats |
08:42.53 | ckknight | think you're a big man now, hrm? |
08:42.55 | ckknight | pshaw. |
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08:49.26 | Kirkburn|afk | ckknight, lol |
08:49.54 | Kirkburn|afk | It's amazing the difference the rep system changes made |
08:50.04 | ckknight | yea |
08:50.18 | ckknight | I have a lvl 32 Draenei Pally |
08:50.21 | ckknight | what class is yours? |
08:55.59 | Kirkburn|afk | huntah |
08:56.17 | Kirkburn|afk | http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Chekov |
08:56.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I might try and get the other races rep up too |
08:56.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Will be v easy for night elves, gnomeregan will be a bit harder though |
08:57.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Since it now cascades the whole way thru to exalted, here's hoping |
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09:00.58 | zenzelezz | then you're in the wrong place, we just suck up to Cairenn |
09:01.05 | Kroth | Curses. Foiled again. |
09:01.44 | ckknight | lol |
09:01.51 | ckknight | real development happens in #wowace :-P |
09:02.05 | Kroth | At least I get to see where the devs of my favorite mods socialize. :P |
09:02.14 | ckknight | though actually only in the wowace community. Everyone else hangs out here or in their own community channels |
09:31.07 | nymbia | this channel is either one way or the other |
09:31.20 | nymbia | i switch to it and it's either pages of pure code |
09:31.25 | nymbia | or a political discussion |
09:34.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Or an argument involving a small pin and someone's rusty spoon |
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10:46.55 | Kaso | is "([^\n]+)" a valid pattern ? |
10:48.29 | Kaso | guess it is |
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12:45.09 | bnovc | Kaso: yes it is in PCRE... not a newline 1 or more times |
12:45.24 | bnovc | probably not a good idea though but it depends on what you're doing |
12:46.04 | Kaso | The exact pattern was "Cooldown: ([^\n]+)" i wanted to capture everything after ": " till the first linebreak |
12:47.34 | bnovc | ^Cooldown:(.*?)\n is probably what I'd do....tbh I haven't used regex in mods I just use it coding other things |
12:47.49 | bnovc | most regex matching things have a modifier for newlines though |
12:48.05 | bnovc | /^Cooldown:(.*?)$/s or something maybe |
12:48.11 | bnovc | <PROTECTED> |
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13:50.37 | Shirik | Kaso: very delayed, but yes it is |
13:51.15 | Shirik | bnovc: lua patterns are not regexes, and .*? is not valid |
13:53.45 | Shirik | Also, Kaso you might try Cooldown: (.-)\n |
13:53.59 | Shirik | that should work just as well |
13:54.24 | Shirik | which, I guess, is what bnovc was trying to say |
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14:31.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ooh, new version of nbsirc released ^^ yey |
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15:00.24 | chiroaz | hello? |
15:00.40 | chiroaz | is anyone on here? |
15:04.22 | Josh_Borke | nope |
15:04.22 | Josh_Borke | because you know, 68 seconds is enough time for ANYONE to respond |
15:04.23 | [Ammo] | how rude |
15:04.23 | [Ammo] | hehe |
15:04.24 | Josh_Borke | s/respond/acknowledge someone/ |
15:04.24 | Josh_Borke | hehe |
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15:19.34 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please. | "you can't really fail at puns... attempt is success!" - krka |
15:19.44 | Thunder_Child | WB purl |
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15:19.53 | Cairenn|afk | he's living on the wild side, I'm telling ya! |
15:20.26 | Thunder_Child | uh huh...sure.... |
15:20.39 | Cairenn|afk | I was referring to Josh_Borke |
15:21.10 | Thunder_Child | oh...well the comment still applies |
15:21.17 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
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15:22.58 | Athinira | slight question |
15:23.07 | Athinira | How to check your own AFK message? |
15:23.20 | Thunder_Child | whisper yourself? |
15:23.45 | Athinira | Thunder_Child: for a script of course |
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15:24.29 | Maldivia | hmm, don't think the client actually knows the afk/dnd message? |
15:24.32 | Thunder_Child | oh...i gave you a slight answer in response to your slight question :-D |
15:24.42 | Athinira | Thunder_Child: Hehe np |
15:25.10 | Thunder_Child | wowwiki has nothing on it? |
15:25.12 | Athinira | Im a bit of a newb in regards to lua. Checking if a unit is AFK is easy, just call UnitIsAFK(), but checking AFK message is beyond my understanding tbh |
15:26.07 | Thunder_Child | well you could do the whisp and pull the text from the chat frame |
15:26.07 | Athinira | true |
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15:27.02 | Athinira | You could also use it when you set your AFK message |
15:27.02 | Thunder_Child | yup |
15:27.02 | Athinira | Aka. catching "You are now AFK: AFK message" |
15:27.02 | Athinira | Which function do i call for that btw? =) |
15:27.12 | Athinira | Or event |
15:29.01 | Thunder_Child | hmm..that i dont know |
15:29.17 | Thunder_Child | i don't actually code |
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15:30.54 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Communication check second one down |
15:31.06 | Thunder_Child | helps? |
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15:32.02 | Thunder_Child | well...that would work for the whisp but not for the initial setting of it |
15:33.31 | Maldivia | I think it's a CHAT_SYSTEM event that's fired with the "You're now AFK: [message]" |
15:34.21 | Maldivia | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, that is |
15:34.31 | Thunder_Child | all it has is Cleared_AFK |
15:34.45 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patterns_fired_from_each_CHAT_MSG_events#CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
15:35.17 | Thunder_Child | did i miss something? |
15:35.25 | Maldivia | MARKED_AFK_MESSAGE |
15:35.29 | Maldivia | you missed that :) |
15:35.42 | Thunder_Child | indeed i did |
15:36.01 | Athinira | Thunder_Child: Yeah helped |
15:36.06 | Athinira | Already checked it before you wrote |
15:36.11 | Athinira | good stuff |
15:36.21 | Athinira | Maldivia: Thx =) |
15:36.33 | Thunder_Child | oh good...now it's time to go to work before i am even more late |
15:37.04 | Maldivia | Athinira: alternatively, you can secure hook SendChatMessage, and see when the "AFK" or "DND" channels are used :) |
15:37.17 | Maldivia | although, that won't catch the auto-afk |
15:37.35 | Athinira | Thats fine, though its sadly beyond my understanding |
15:37.51 | Athinira | Ill fool around and try to make it work with the system event |
15:38.06 | Maldivia | that's also the best way :) |
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16:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i alt tab out, will addons still work? |
16:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | say, if i alt tab during an auctioneer scan |
16:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | will it continue scanning, or pause until i go back? |
16:15.30 | [dRaCo] | should work |
16:16.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep, it did, heh |
16:16.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | just checked |
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16:17.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | tabbed out at page 61 out of 200, came back at 84 |
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16:21.47 | TC-Working | . |
16:22.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | . |
16:22.28 | Maldivia | : |
16:22.42 | TC-Working | bastards |
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16:23.41 | TC-Working | i was just checking my name since i saw TC_Working leave |
16:27.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | //echo $me |
16:27.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
16:27.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait you're using icechat :[ |
16:27.19 | TC-Working | heh |
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16:27.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even know wtf icechat is, heh |
16:28.26 | TC-Working | IRC program ofc |
16:35.53 | Shirik | nbsirc > all |
16:35.53 | Shirik | imo |
16:36.45 | Maldivia | irssi |
16:36.57 | TC-Working | tried it |
16:36.59 | TC-Working | brb |
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16:40.50 | Kaelten | g'mornin |
16:41.53 | Cairenn|afk | hi Kaelten |
16:41.53 | Kaelten | heya cair |
16:41.53 | Kaelten | how you doin? |
16:41.54 | Cairenn|afk | hanging in there, you? |
16:41.54 | Shirik | hai Cairenn|afk |
16:42.00 | Shirik | :D |
16:43.50 | Kaelten | making it :) |
16:44.01 | Kaelten | want to strangle the mui most of the time, but I'm doin alright |
16:44.02 | Cairenn|afk | that's better than the alternative |
16:44.08 | Kaelten | finally got a place out here in san fran |
16:44.13 | Cairenn|afk | good |
16:44.35 | Shirik | :( |
16:44.39 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk didn't say hi to me |
16:44.42 | Shirik | I'm not important enough |
16:44.56 | Cairenn|afk | I said hi to you earlier Shirik, I've been awake and talking in channel for a while now : |
16:44.56 | Kaelten | ya, its better than the constant line of stress I've had for the last month. |
16:52.05 | TC-Working | Maldivia, no irssi is not for me |
16:53.19 | Shirik | meh |
16:53.23 | Shirik | looking at some screenshots of icechat |
16:53.24 | TC-Working | heh |
16:53.33 | Shirik | not too impressed, but just personal opinion |
16:54.36 | TC-Working | i'm not particularly happy with it either...thats why i'm always looking |
16:55.03 | TC-Working | at others |
16:55.04 | Shirik | on my windows install I use nbsirc on mirc, I've used it for a while now |
16:56.57 | TC-Working | heh, cant even google nbsIRC |
16:57.05 | Shirik | mmm |
16:57.17 | Shirik | that's cause there's a dash in there that I leave out |
16:57.26 | Shirik | http://www.nbs-irc.net/ |
16:57.40 | TC-Working | well thats a bit better |
17:01.17 | Hallu | I use Xchat 2 |
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17:02.23 | Hallu | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
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17:11.02 | TC-Testing | poke |
17:11.16 | Shirik | poke |
17:11.20 | TC-Testing | i like when it starts out with "(10:10:17) -› Unable to join #wowi-lounge" |
17:11.25 | TC-Testing | yet i am in here |
17:11.27 | Shirik | yeah, I never understood that |
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17:37.58 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: ping |
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17:39.01 | Shirik | for those that haven't seen it http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1756138 (nsfw), hardest mario level ever |
17:43.41 | TC-Testing | yea, really funny, but here it is biggerhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881&q=funny+hard+mario+game&hl=en |
17:43.51 | TC-Testing | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881&q=funny+hard+mario+game&hl=en |
17:43.59 | TC-Testing | heh, forgot the space |
17:46.32 | foxlit | Google's bandwidth is a bit better than that first links :P |
17:47.03 | TC-Testing | GG i win |
17:47.21 | Shirik | qq |
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18:05.20 | Kaso | Shirik, thats awesome |
18:05.36 | Shirik | I want to try it myself :P |
18:06.56 | TC-Working | btw Hallu, i use a flavor of X-chat at home....err..will i did till i blew out my OS |
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18:21.15 | Industrial | thats the string color format again? |faarrggbb<string>|r ? |
18:21.18 | Mikma | TC-Working: that's so cool video (mario) |
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18:23.59 | BlackRabbit | anyone here? |
18:23.59 | TC-Testing | nope |
18:23.59 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
18:23.59 | Industrial | =D |
18:23.59 | BlackRabbit | i am looking for some help with scripting |
18:24.30 | Cairenn|afk | and? |
18:24.50 | BlackRabbit | waiting for someone to answer before i start spitting out random stuff |
18:24.51 | Elkano | Industrial, should be |cAARRGGBB<string>|r |
18:25.23 | Cairenn|afk | if it's a large code block, use the addy in the channel topic and just link it |
18:25.24 | BlackRabbit | i am wanting to change in the game cursor but i can't find any commands to change it |
18:26.27 | Cairenn|afk | has anyone figured out how to change the cursor in game yet? I don't recall seeing any |
18:26.32 | TC-Testing | i dont know if you can change it |
18:26.37 | TC-Testing | it's prolly hard coded |
18:26.46 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
18:26.50 | Elkano | besides ShowInspectCursor() and such? |
18:27.06 | BlackRabbit | check the local-enus mpq in the data folder |
18:27.25 | Gryphen | there use to be curors on curse |
18:27.26 | TC-Testing | heh i read local-anus |
18:27.27 | BlackRabbit | it lists all the cursor names but no commands for them |
18:27.29 | Gryphen | cursors* |
18:27.32 | TC-Testing | >.< |
18:27.54 | BlackRabbit | i have seen modified cursors before |
18:28.12 | Hallu | How does xchat blow up one's computer? |
18:28.12 | Hallu | heh |
18:28.15 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
18:28.27 | TC-Testing | it didnt blow up my computer...i did |
18:28.42 | Industrial | Elkano: righto |
18:29.01 | Industrial | stats display under minimap. U liek? I liek. http://i10.tinypic.com/61lqrf9.jpg |
18:29.05 | TC-Testing | Hallu, i said "i" not "it" |
18:29.15 | Hallu | oh |
18:29.15 | Hallu | hehe |
18:29.47 | Kaydeethree | geez. that's pretty damn minimalistic |
18:31.07 | Industrial | hmm should test it with default interface first before releasing it I guess. |
18:32.26 | Industrial | works fine \o/ |
18:36.45 | Athinira | Thunder_Child: Made my system work |
18:36.46 | Athinira | :p |
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18:37.03 | TC-Testing | grat |
18:37.09 | TC-Testing | err..great |
18:37.14 | Josh_Borke | woot! |
18:37.17 | TC-Testing | WTB spellchecker |
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19:01.07 | chronx|irc | any ideas why i would be getting an error on line frame:SetValue(num); when frame = getglobal("foo_bar"); ? and foo_bar is a StatusBar |
19:01.48 | chronx|irc | it used to work but i broke it somehow |
19:03.39 | Kaso | the error might help? |
19:03.48 | Kaso | they may seem like nonsense but they usually tell you whats wrong |
19:04.05 | chronx | well the error in game is quite.. unhelpful but sure ;) |
19:04.30 | chronx | Interface\addons\myaddon\arenacountdown.lua:60: Usage: foo_bar:SetValue(value) |
19:04.36 | Cide | that's not unhelpful |
19:04.42 | chronx | right |
19:04.43 | Cide | that tells you exactly what's the problem |
19:04.53 | Cide | the variable "num" is nil or not a number |
19:05.23 | chronx | ah now i remember what i changed ;) |
19:05.40 | Cide | error messages are your friends |
19:09.29 | chronx | i didn't see much in it i guess |
19:09.35 | chronx | i'll read more carefully next time heh |
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20:00.24 | _Grem_ | Does anyone know how to send a scrolling combat text to my character? |
20:00.32 | _Grem_ | using blizzard's scrolling combat text system |
20:00.59 | Josh_Borke | the thing above your character? |
20:01.16 | _Grem_ | Yeah |
20:01.29 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure we have no access to that |
20:01.40 | _Grem_ | =( |
20:01.46 | Josh_Borke | i know that there are addons that hook into the statusbars that go over heads |
20:01.54 | Josh_Borke | and use that to display scrolling things |
20:03.23 | _Grem_ | There has to be a way ... hmm |
20:04.46 | pastamancer | _Grem_: CombatText_AddMessage |
20:05.47 | Josh_Borke | isn't that just for the Scrolling Combat Text ala SCT? |
20:05.58 | pastamancer | that's the blizzard SCT |
20:06.09 | Josh_Borke | i was under the assumption he meant the 3d world stuff |
20:06.33 | pastamancer | that's not how I read it |
20:07.08 | Josh_Borke | well, it's never easy to really understand without more explicit details |
20:07.13 | Josh_Borke | but yes, pastamancer is obviously right if that's the case |
20:13.37 | Tem|AFK | oh damnit |
20:15.07 | chronx | why doesn't math.round() work? |
20:15.27 | chronx | math.round(2.55,1); = error can't find round() |
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20:16.29 | Cide | >>> math.floor(2.55 + 0.5) |
20:16.29 | Cide | Cide: 3 |
20:17.50 | chronx | >>> math.round(2.55,1) |
20:17.50 | Cide | chronx: [string "math.round(2.55,1)"]:1: attempt to call field 'round' (a nil value) |
20:17.57 | chronx | like wtf is that -_- |
20:18.05 | Cide | there is no round... |
20:18.07 | chronx | i could use your ghetto floor as a round lol |
20:18.07 | Cide | use what I just gave you |
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20:20.37 | cogwheel|work | chronx: where did you get the idea that there was a math.round in the first place? |
20:20.38 | cogwheel|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/18.html |
20:20.38 | Cide | >>> function round(num, precision) precision = precision or 1; local m = 10^(precision-1); return math.floor(num * m + 0.5) / m end return round(2.55, 1), round(2.49, 2); |
20:20.38 | Cide | Cide: 3, 2.5 |
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20:20.38 | Cide | lazy round implementation |
20:21.35 | cogwheel|work | I would've left out the -1 :P |
20:21.50 | Cide | depends on how you define precision 1 |
20:22.04 | cogwheel|work | I've always thought of it as number of digits after the decimal so... |
20:22.09 | Cide | ah, true |
20:22.38 | cogwheel|work | chronx: are you using the result for calculation or display? |
20:22.49 | cogwheel|work | if you're using it for display you'll want to use format() instead |
20:22.56 | Cide | >>> function round(num, precision) precision = 10^(precision or 0); return math.floor(num * precision + 0.5) / precision end return round(2.55), round(2.49, 1), round(1.2345, 3) |
20:22.56 | Cide | Cide: 3, 2.5, 1.235 |
20:24.06 | Cide | yep, what cogwheel|work said |
20:24.12 | cogwheel|work | Nargiddley: every time I glance at your name I see something very.... politically incorrect :P |
20:24.38 | Cide | >>> string.format("%.1f", 2.55), string.format("%.3f", 1.2345) |
20:24.39 | Cide | Cide: "2.5", "1.234" |
20:27.00 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7134 |
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20:32.55 | cogwheel|work | Industrial: maybe a more... contextual screenshot would be nice :P |
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20:34.21 | cogwheel|work | <3 Drysc http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102903629&pageNo=1&sid=1#16 |
20:34.53 | Cide | drysc is my hero |
20:34.58 | Cide | after fangtooth |
20:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hohohoho |
20:35.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | just got #1 on my damage meters in a mechanar run by 30k |
20:35.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait, 300k |
20:36.10 | Kaydeethree | dpsers #2 and 3 afk or something? |
20:36.21 | Kaydeethree | or did you forget to clear data joining the party? |
20:36.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, they did pretty well |
20:36.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
20:36.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i cleared after the first pull actually |
20:36.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was closer to 200k actually |
20:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got 817k damage, they got ~590k damage |
20:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | #2 and #3, #4 was the warrior tanking |
20:40.22 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: eh? |
20:40.24 | Industrial | - Coloured fps, interface mem usage and latency display. |
20:40.25 | Industrial | - Resides under the minimap. |
20:40.39 | Industrial | thats what it shows, no? :P |
20:41.01 | cogwheel|work | i'm talking about the screenshot itself... Crop around the minimap & maybe turn up the UI scale so it's easier to read (stupid JPG compression) |
20:44.32 | Industrial | right |
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20:51.37 | TC-Testing | Shirik, ping |
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21:06.51 | TC-Testing | ~seen Shirik |
21:07.29 | purl | shirik is currently on #wowi-lounge. Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 3h 1m 53s, last said: 'I want to try it myself :P'. |
21:07.29 | batrick | what lua interpretter would you guys recommend for working in windows? |
21:08.31 | Tem|AFK | batrick, the only lua interpreter |
21:08.34 | ckknight | batrick: lua |
21:08.37 | Industrial | batrick: lua.exe from lua.org. |
21:08.39 | Industrial | hah |
21:08.43 | batrick | ok i'm sorry |
21:08.48 | Tem|AFK | haha this is awesome |
21:09.27 | Tem|AFK | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=449&Set=0 |
21:09.28 | batrick | sounds stupid, but i've been working with a dozen prolog interpretters and now need to write someting in lua |
21:09.28 | batrick | didn't want to do a huge search for a "good" one |
21:09.28 | Industrial | Tem|AFK: heh nice artowkr |
21:09.30 | Industrial | Tem|AFK: style* |
21:09.50 | batrick | lmao |
21:09.53 | batrick | that's good |
21:11.30 | Tem|AFK | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=440&Set=0 |
21:11.35 | Tem|AFK | what's that a reference to? |
21:11.42 | Shirik | TC-Testing: hi |
21:11.48 | chronx | if foo == nil then foo=1; end would assign 1 to foo only if foo == nil correct? |
21:11.55 | Shirik | went to sleep :P |
21:11.59 | TC-Testing | heh |
21:12.05 | TC-Testing | your not allowed to sleep |
21:12.07 | Shirik | chronx: Yes |
21:12.08 | Shirik | :( |
21:12.28 | TC-Testing | know any scripts that randomly color in the nicks in the channel? |
21:13.27 | Shirik | hm |
21:13.40 | Shirik | not that I can think of :( |
21:13.51 | TC-Testing | ok, thanks |
21:14.24 | TC-Testing | thats something that seems to be missing from mirc |
21:14.28 | TC-Testing | and nbs |
21:15.15 | Gryphen | pxnlc.mrc |
21:16.10 | TC-Testing | eh? |
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21:16.48 | Gryphen | its old, not finding any search results for it |
21:17.11 | TC-Testing | neither was i |
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21:17.44 | Gryphen | www.gryphonllc.com/temp/pxnlc.zip |
21:17.47 | Shirik | I mean |
21:17.56 | Shirik | I guess if you gave me time I could write up a script for it |
21:18.00 | Shirik | but not like in 5 seconds >< |
21:18.06 | Shirik | I need to remember mirc script |
21:18.09 | Gryphen | i dont have it running, been a while, might not work anymore |
21:18.14 | TC-Testing | mmm...5 seconds |
21:19.08 | TC-Testing | hmm..it's going to make me color in each person...i would just rather have it random |
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21:19.56 | Gryphen | ah, i couldnt remember how it worked, just had it sitting im my mirc dir |
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21:20.23 | TC-Testing | thanks anyways |
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21:32.35 | Mikma | TC-Testing: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=221841331511643593 |
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21:42.23 | Shirik | TC-Testing: Kinda like how gaim does it yes? |
21:47.28 | TC-Testing | uhh...let me check..i have it installed here |
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21:51.47 | Shirik | ckknight around? |
21:52.04 | ckknight | yep |
21:52.19 | Shirik | just something a little annoying not necessarily a "bug" |
21:52.49 | Shirik | if a guild member is in your party and you open up your map, hovering over a place so it would show who's there in guild shows that person twice |
21:52.51 | Shirik | or maybe that's intended |
21:53.14 | ckknight | hrm |
21:53.19 | ckknight | never occurred for me |
21:53.44 | ckknight | it should catch that... |
21:53.48 | Shirik | in fact |
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21:53.51 | Shirik | I have two dots for him now o.o |
21:53.56 | Shirik | here ss incoming |
21:54.09 | Shirik | eventually they catch up but every so often the guild marker is off the party marker :/ |
21:54.57 | Shirik | uhhhhhhhhh |
21:55.00 | Shirik | wtf? |
21:55.52 | Shirik | http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doubledotbp7.jpg |
21:55.54 | Shirik | dunno what happened to the right side o.o |
21:55.57 | Shirik | didn't notice that at first |
21:56.31 | TC-Testing | makes sense to see 2 of them |
21:56.38 | TC-Testing | one is for party, one is for guild |
21:56.55 | TC-Test | yes, btw, like gaim does it |
21:57.02 | Shirik | personally, I'd like to see only one instance of him, but personal preference I guess |
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21:57.05 | Shirik | perhaps an option |
21:57.22 | TC-Working | look |
21:57.23 | TC-Test | at |
21:57.24 | TC-Testing | me |
21:57.27 | Shirik | >< |
21:57.28 | TC-Testing | heh |
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22:07.09 | TC-Testing | wow an "AMD Barcelona CPU in a quad setup (2 chips of 2 cores) was able to encode 1080p video to H.264 very close to real time" |
22:07.46 | Industrial | wich means? :P |
22:09.13 | TC-Testing | ....it's really really fast |
22:09.20 | Hallu | not having to wait |
22:09.39 | Hallu | record straight to compressed format |
22:10.11 | Industrial | Hallu> record straight to compressed format |
22:10.12 | Industrial | ah. |
22:13.39 | TC-Testing | "The most obvious change we will see will be the addition of a shared L3 cache. This new L3 cache, debuting at 2MB in Athlons and Opterons, will be used by all four cores. Each core will also have their own smaller L1 (64KB) and L2 (512KB) caches that can be shared by all the cores as well." |
22:15.59 | JoshBorke | by that they mean there will be a hypertransport bus between them or what? |
23:04.40 | bnovc | anyone know of a mod that will 1) give a list of items you have to sell and how much they cost on PMs or 2) give me statistics about arena matches after they end |
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23:06.09 | DT__ | What type of statistics? |
23:07.12 | DT___ | Like how many games you've won and lost against that team? |
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23:17.31 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: replied on that guide thread. |
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23:48.56 | DT_ | Is there any way to use getglobal to get table elements? Like /script asd = { } asd.test = "test" getglobal("asd.test") |
23:49.00 | DT_ | It doesn't seem to be working for me |
23:49.10 | Shirik | getglobal("asd").test |
23:49.14 | Shirik | why would you need to? |
23:49.53 | ckknight | DT_: getglobal("asd.test") does _G["asd.test"], not _G["asd"]["test"] |
23:50.38 | DT_ | I was moving my localization into a table and I need to select the correct text with getglobal at one point in my code, Shirik |
23:50.44 | DT_ | Thanks Shirik and ckknight :) |
23:50.57 | ckknight | why do you need to use getglobal? |
23:50.59 | ckknight | globals are icky |
23:51.16 | Bam__ | yup avoid globals like the plague |
23:51.32 | Shirik | globals ftl. |
23:52.26 | ckknight | DT_: so tell us, why are you using globals? |
23:52.55 | DT_ | Will in a sec ;) Had to get on flight to blades edge for gruul |
23:53.15 | zenzelezz | sammon plz |
23:53.37 | DT_ | GetArenaTeam() doesn't return info for the teams in order, so GetArenaTeam(3) might give info for a 2v2 and GetArenaTeam(1) for a 5v5, or any other combo |
23:54.12 | DT_ | So I have a loop from 1 to 3 that does GetArenaTeam(i) and checks the size, and my 3 fontstrings have the size appended at the end of their names |
23:54.20 | DT_ | So Fontstring2, Fontstring3, Fontstring5 |
23:54.37 | DT_ | So I do getglobal("Fontstring"..size):SetText() |
23:55.10 | zenzelezz | I'm confused about where tables enter there |
23:55.37 | DT_ | The actual text I set was something like MYTEXT2, MYTEXT3, MYTEXT5 |
23:55.45 | Bam__ | well if you are dealing with Blizzard's globals, then you are excused :P |
23:56.05 | DT_ | And now I'm moving all that text into a table, Zenz |
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23:57.26 | cladhaire | DT_: you could use function mygetglobal |
23:57.27 | cladhaire | err |
23:57.49 | cladhaire | DT_: function mygetglobal(str) return loadstring("return " .. str)() end |
23:57.53 | cladhaire | but there's no good reason to do it :P |
23:58.17 | Shirik | lol |
23:58.25 | ckknight | cladhaire: seems wasteful :-P |
23:58.40 | cladhaire | it is :P |
23:58.48 | cladhaire | but admittedly, useful |
23:58.50 | cladhaire | at times :P |
23:58.51 | Bam__ | yay.. obfuscated Lua contest!! |
23:58.59 | cladhaire | you could reuse a closure without any trouble |
23:59.05 | Cide | any reason you wouldn't use getfenv(0)[str]? |
23:59.06 | cladhaire | then there's just a three function overhead for each :P |
23:59.16 | cladhaire | Cide: he wants an element in the global table |
23:59.19 | cladhaire | i.e. tableName.element |
23:59.23 | Cide | ahh |
23:59.30 | Cide | I fail at reading |
23:59.46 | cladhaire | so i reinstalled my mac from scratch |
23:59.51 | TC-Testing | JoshBorke, sry i was in a meeting, does this answer your question http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTE1NjI1MzI3Mm5VS0FBcVpXWEdfMV8yX2wuZ2lm ? |
23:59.53 | cladhaire | finally getting things where I need them to be |