| 00:00.33 | Thrae | My brain is there, but my mind is empty while I play. |
| 00:00.33 | Thrae | As I have a completely empty mind, I play a Stunlock Rogue of course. |
| 00:01.11 | zenzelezz | you kids have it easy |
| 00:01.11 | zenzelezz | I don't even have a physical form yet |
| 00:01.30 | Thrae | I don't really exist. |
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| 00:25.01 | Bleeter | what's the take on 2.1.0 being deployed this week? anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:25.31 | Cide | I'm gonna go with no |
| 00:26.31 | Karrion | given they've said that there's more item changes coming to the ptr mid this week, I suspect not |
| 00:28.05 | Bleeter | rightio, thanks |
| 00:28.05 | Bleeter | (guild asking me.. damnit.. first time I log in in a week.. and they hassle me!) |
| 00:28.20 | Karrion | hehe, damn guildies |
| 00:32.13 | Kaso | http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/worthchops/lsdangel.jpg |
| 00:32.18 | Kaso | man thats awesome |
| 00:33.46 | DT_ | Warlock tier 7? |
| 00:33.51 | Kaso | haha |
| 00:33.54 | Kaso | priest if anything |
| 00:34.02 | Kaso | we get the angel wings! |
| 00:38.42 | Scre3m | the same 10 mods are updating to the same version every time i run wowaceupdater (1.7 final): Cartographer_ExtraGas, ClearFont2_FontPack_1, FuBar_MicroMenu, FuBar_PetFu, IceHUD, LitheTooltipDoctor, Teknicolor, TinyTip, and VitalWatch |
| 00:38.53 | Scre3m | any ideas? |
| 00:39.43 | Thrae | Scre3m: Maybe there isn't an update for them. |
| 00:43.26 | Scre3m | but they are updating |
| 00:43.38 | Thunder_Child2 | cladhaire, Ping |
| 00:43.42 | Scre3m | but they update to the same version each time, seems like it's bugged to me |
| 00:44.58 | Karrion | Scre3m: is your computer's clock set properly? sounds like a time sync issue to me |
| 00:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine does that too unless i change to another mirror |
| 00:47.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the default one |
| 00:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes, that is |
| 00:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | and other times none of them will apparently have public versions |
| 00:49.07 | Scre3m | what mirror do u use? |
| 00:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://files-wowace.renchap.com/ |
| 00:49.49 | Scre3m | yup, i switched to that and it worked as expected, thanks :) |
| 00:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think the default mirror is upchucking or something |
| 01:03.23 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 01:04.24 | Thunder_Child | you have Audacity right? |
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| 01:06.03 | cladhaire | yes |
| 01:07.35 | cladhaire | thats just he project file |
| 01:07.40 | cladhaire | can you zip the whole thing up and email me? |
| 01:08.04 | Thunder_Child | doesnt that contain everything? |
| 01:08.15 | cladhaire | no, that's a pointer to another file, typically |
| 01:08.42 | Thunder_Child | ok, i need your email then |
| 01:08.46 | cladhaire | cladhaire, gmail |
| 01:09.39 | Thunder_Child | ok, as usual for gmail, it will be renamed |
| 01:09.42 | cladhaire | ok |
| 01:10.19 | Thunder_Child | i hate how gmail strips out executible files |
| 01:10.34 | cladhaire | well, there shouldn't be an excutable in this case |
| 01:11.11 | Thrae | All major operating systems have built-in ZIP support, there's no reason to be sending an executable unless it's a virus or you are very lazy |
| 01:12.57 | Thunder_Child | no, when i say exe, i was including .rar/.zip/etc |
| 01:13.38 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Archives go through fine with my gmail account. |
| 01:14.08 | Thunder_Child | really...i cant seem to send them, i always have to rename them...same with everyone i know |
| 01:22.55 | Tem | some email systems block zips |
| 01:23.05 | Kaydeethree | .tar.bz2 ftw |
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| 01:55.26 | cladhaire | gruul |
| 01:55.30 | cladhaire | neat fight |
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| 01:57.40 | VoidRaider|VR | Howdy |
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| 02:07.50 | VoidRaider | I have group of frames that I linked vertically, so they're sitting one after the other, now when I'm trying to scale the frames they aren't sitting correctly, I need to use SetPoint to resort them after I'm scaling them but it seem that I cannot figure the correct value to set them correctly, whem I'm not using the scaling value and I'm doing the calculations all by myself using proportions it works.. what's going on ? :P |
| 02:10.25 | batrick | did you use ClearAllPoints()? |
| 02:10.34 | VoidRaider | Yeah |
| 02:11.21 | VoidRaider | I can upload an image or something so you would understand what I'm trying to do, maybe it might help you ? because I'm lost haha |
| 02:14.15 | Tain | So I saw Spider-Man 3 tonight. (No spoilers.) I didn't think it was as bad as some people are saying. The only part I didn't like was Mary Jane. |
| 02:14.49 | cladhaire | i tend to like mary jane |
| 02:14.52 | cladhaire | takes the edge off |
| 02:14.53 | VoidRaider | That's what I'm trying to do but the 2nd frame overlap the 1st frame |
| 02:14.54 | VoidRaider | http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot050707051206rl1.jpg |
| 02:15.09 | Thunder_Child | bad pun cladhaire |
| 02:15.18 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 02:15.24 | cladhaire | since i can't say it truthfully either |
| 02:15.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:15.51 | cladhaire | eew |
| 02:16.10 | cladhaire | still have no email, btw =( |
| 02:16.22 | Thunder_Child | i set it already |
| 02:16.23 | VoidRaider | Someone for the rescue :P |
| 02:16.31 | cladhaire | i didn't get anything =/. |
| 02:16.49 | Thunder_Child | 6:28 according to gmail |
| 02:16.56 | Thunder_Child | PDT* |
| 02:18.17 | cladhaire | to what address, dont post it here |
| 02:18.45 | VoidRaider | Can anyone help me get this right ? |
| 02:18.46 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean dont post it here....you did |
| 02:18.56 | cladhaire | no i didn't |
| 02:18.59 | cladhaire | not in spam-farming format |
| 02:19.24 | Thunder_Child | ...you so lost me |
| 02:19.44 | cladhaire | if you just type an email here |
| 02:19.45 | cladhaire | it ends up on the web |
| 02:19.51 | cladhaire | and thus, people who harvest email addresses |
| 02:19.53 | cladhaire | have another for spam |
| 02:19.57 | cladhaire | i didn't type myemail@somedomain.com |
| 02:19.57 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 02:20.08 | Tain | I just thought MJ came across as a psycho paranoid low-self-esteem-having girlfriend in this one. |
| 02:20.10 | Thunder_Child | oh..because of the log |
| 02:20.12 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 02:20.22 | cladhaire | big difference |
| 02:20.23 | cladhaire | yes |
| 02:20.43 | Thunder_Child | i did cladhaire, gmail |
| 02:24.03 | ckknight | Tain: agreed |
| 02:24.12 | ckknight | Tain: Peter Parker has roid rage. |
| 02:30.23 | Tain | Yeah but to me at least it was believable. I actually liked his strutting through town scene. Well, one of them, they didn't need to do more than one. But it made me laugh. |
| 02:37.28 | Tain | Anyone out there still playing City of Heroes/Villains at all? I'm going through one of my spurts of enjoying the hell out of it. |
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| 06:49.26 | JunkHead-Work | Hello. |
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| 09:03.46 | AnduinLothar | rofl, i'm hoyl spec tanking mc |
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| 09:03.53 | AnduinLothar | cons ftw |
| 09:28.53 | Neebler | hey KarlKFI, do you still work on cosmos? do people still use it? |
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| 09:45.33 | Kaso | Neebler you might have better luck pinging him with AnduinLothar |
| 09:46.03 | Kaso | looks like he might be a touch busy consicrate tanking core hounds! |
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| 10:00.01 | Tem | consecrate |
| 10:00.07 | Tem | I think |
| 10:00.50 | Kaso | This free version of xchat doesnt have spellcheck >.< |
| 10:08.35 | Tem | this one either |
| 10:08.43 | Tem | but the word looked funny to me |
| 10:08.52 | Tem | so I kept tabbing out of wow while drinking |
| 10:09.05 | Tem | and I kept seeing it thinking, "that looks funny" |
| 10:09.30 | Tem | and eventually the way that looked less funny found it's way into my fingers |
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| 12:03.43 | Industrial | 37 horde where do i go? :3 I did all of arathi highlands |
| 12:03.48 | Industrial | NOT stv |
| 12:06.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | finish shimmering flats? |
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| 12:09.21 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:09.22 | Industrial | all of it |
| 12:09.27 | Industrial | did that at 30 |
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| 12:25.33 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: ping :D |
| 12:25.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | pong |
| 12:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 12:26.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 37 i run sm almost constantly to level |
| 12:28.11 | Industrial | arrr ok |
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| 14:37.16 | Josh_Borke | ohayou |
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| 14:38.47 | sysrage | i da ho! |
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| 15:01.49 | TC-Working | monday mornings suck |
| 15:02.35 | Cairenn|afk | mornings suck, any further qualifications to the statement are simply redundant |
| 15:02.53 | TC-Working | i dunno...i can deal with mondays after work |
| 15:03.00 | TC-Working | olh.. |
| 15:03.10 | TC-Working | heh, i saw mondays, not mornings |
| 15:03.20 | TC-Working | in that case, yes, i have to agree with you |
| 15:03.24 | TC-Working | mornings do suck |
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| 15:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | mornings are my nights |
| 15:13.17 | TC-Working | as in the time differential, or the fact that those happen to be your hours? |
| 15:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think my internal clock is set to australia time or something, because i sleep all day and am awake all night, no matter what i do to correct it, it always goes back :[ |
| 15:13.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it could be because this room has no windows |
| 15:14.05 | TC-Working | my preferential hours are 11am-2am |
| 15:14.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i shut the door and it's pitch black except for the slight glow from the LEDs on my PC |
| 15:14.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and also mostly soundproof |
| 15:14.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | so people walking around and stuff upstairs doesn't wake me |
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| 15:33.29 | barduck | hello...is this the right place to ask for advice about WoW addon programming ? |
| 15:33.59 | [dRaCo] | kinda... just ask, maybe you're lucky ;) |
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| 15:34.24 | Cairenn|afk | hello, yes |
| 15:35.45 | barduck | well...I just need a point in the right direction. Is it possible to completely replace default blizzard frames with something of my own, if so, how? Like the inner listing of characters in the guilds frame. |
| 15:36.04 | TC-Working | www.wowwiki.com |
| 15:36.15 | barduck | been there... |
| 15:36.38 | barduck | couldn't find an answer to this particular question |
| 15:36.41 | cogwheel|work | Look at how other mods do it imo |
| 15:36.57 | cogwheel|work | there are innumerable unit frame mods out there... aguf, purl, etc. |
| 15:36.57 | TC-Working | ~ui |
| 15:37.00 | purl | well, ui is user interface, or http://www.cyberpunkproject.org/lib/in_the_beginning_was_the_command_line/ |
| 15:37.06 | TC-Working | ok, not quite |
| 15:37.33 | barduck | I want to replace the guild listing, maintain some of the functionality but add something on my own |
| 15:37.48 | barduck | most examples just show how to extend frames or to do new ones. |
| 15:38.09 | barduck | I looked at the blizzard code and I can copy/paste most of it, I think |
| 15:38.28 | barduck | but I couldn't find how to make the guild window to use my frame instead of Blizzard's one |
| 15:38.36 | cogwheel|work | The problem is that the guild frame is on a shared panel with the other social frames |
| 15:38.56 | Kaso | thats a fairly big project, you would need to learn a fair bit of general knowledge before trying that imo |
| 15:39.01 | barduck | cogwheel: yeah, but there is an inner sub frame of the characters listing |
| 15:39.05 | barduck | thats the one I want to replace |
| 15:39.32 | cogwheel|work | if this is a first project, you've got a lot of learning ahead of you before you can really start |
| 15:39.44 | barduck | I wrote Lua before, made some simple addons |
| 15:39.53 | barduck | I can deal with the heat :) |
| 15:40.11 | barduck | just wanted to know if it possible and where to start the search |
| 15:40.29 | Kaso | then i recomend you read (and understand) the blizzard social frame, check out the faraframes tutorial for a basic in wow ui XML |
| 15:40.38 | Kaso | then learn alot from the widgit api on the wiki |
| 15:40.47 | cogwheel|work | Well, if you're comfortable with Lua programming, and the XML that blizzard uses then it's time to dive into the source for the social frame |
| 15:41.18 | barduck | I went over the source of that frame |
| 15:41.22 | barduck | understand most of it |
| 15:41.41 | barduck | there is particular frame I want to replace. |
| 15:42.19 | barduck | just need to attribute/syntax to tell it to use my frame instead of the default |
| 15:42.19 | Kaso | Then have a go and see what happens. |
| 15:42.28 | Kaso | You're not going to find any step by step tutorial for this kind of stuff, something this complex you'll have to learn yourself. |
| 15:42.45 | barduck | yeah, I know. this is not what I am looking for |
| 15:43.01 | cogwheel|work | Since the default UI uses global frame names for most things, just get rid of the old frame and give yours the same name... |
| 15:43.03 | barduck | I just want to know the syntax for replacing a defautl frame with my own |
| 15:43.22 | barduck | but the old one is in blizzards file |
| 15:43.28 | cogwheel|work | it's not a "syntax" ... It's understanding how the frames interact and manipulating that interaction |
| 15:44.09 | cogwheel|work | you don't get rid of it in the source code... you get rid of it during runtime |
| 15:44.28 | barduck | well..I've seen the examples how people extend the blizzard frames by adding elements to it |
| 15:44.45 | barduck | if I add an element with the same name...will ti replace it ? |
| 15:45.14 | cogwheel|work | That's basic lua |
| 15:45.24 | cogwheel|work | it's just a global variable |
| 15:45.49 | cogwheel|work | Change the value and any code that references it will operate on the new value |
| 15:46.28 | barduck | I see. so basically, I write my frame and then just change the value in the OnLoad of my addon ? |
| 15:47.13 | cogwheel|work | Pretty much. Since the FrameXML code is loaded before any addons, you could probably get away with just naming the frame the same and it'll automatically be overwritten |
| 15:47.45 | barduck | hmmm...that would be cool. |
| 15:47.54 | barduck | I am going to try that later today |
| 15:48.00 | barduck | this is the pointers I was looking for |
| 15:48.01 | barduck | thanks |
| 15:48.13 | cogwheel|work | np :) |
| 15:48.16 | Kaso | However, you might need to consider other addons that add things to the friendsframe, they will be bamboozled by your new one |
| 15:48.53 | Cide | also, other references to the frame stored in FrameXML (or by addons that load before yours) will still point to the old frame |
| 15:49.12 | Cide | if possible, you're probably better off modifying the already existing frame |
| 15:49.14 | barduck | yeah, I'd guess so. THere are ways around these problems ? |
| 15:49.16 | cogwheel|work | I was thinking he'd just replace the guild tab |
| 15:49.37 | barduck | I dont need to repalce the guilds tab, there is an inner frame there I want to replace |
| 15:49.53 | barduck | just the frame that displays the characters list... |
| 15:49.55 | Cide | ah, you might have an easier time then |
| 15:50.05 | barduck | forgot the name, dont have the code in front of me |
| 15:50.39 | Cide | I'd imagine there are fewer references to that than to the whole guild tab frame, so try cogwheel|work's suggestion first and see how it works out |
| 15:51.01 | Cide | there are other (but more complicated) ways to do it if that doesn't work, of course |
| 15:51.02 | barduck | an it is very specific mod for very specific situation, I dont think it will interfere much with anything |
| 15:51.53 | barduck | Cide: care to mention what ways? so I know what to look for if that doesnt work ? |
| 15:52.53 | Cide | :Hide()-ing any children you don't want displayed, CreateFrame()-ing new children, modifying the properties of the ones you would like to change (:SetPoint(), :SetAlpha(), :SetTexture(), :SetVertexColor(), etc) |
| 15:53.53 | barduck | gotcha |
| 15:54.08 | barduck | so I kow there are other options |
| 15:54.34 | barduck | but it seems like the current suggestion would work...I hope |
| 16:00.13 | barduck | how about overriding API function? Is that possible ? |
| 16:00.42 | Kaso | yes |
| 16:00.50 | Kaso | Look up hooking |
| 16:01.48 | cogwheel|work | Be very careful when hooking... Seemingly innocent hooks can wind you up in serious trouble if it taints a combat-related codepath |
| 16:01.56 | barduck | oh cool...maybe it could be an easier way, itstead of rewiring the entire guild UI I could just hook GuildRoster() and GetGuildRosterInfo() |
| 16:02.45 | cogwheel|work | what is your ultimate goal? |
| 16:03.41 | barduck | oh well...our "guild" consists of two in-game guilds, I want to create an addon that for each guild, shows a real roster from the in game guild but also a /who based roster from the other guild |
| 16:04.04 | barduck | so we all feel together :) |
| 16:04.39 | sysrage | blizz should have alliances like DAOC |
| 16:04.48 | sysrage | s/have/add |
| 16:04.53 | barduck | yes, they should...but until then |
| 16:04.58 | Thrae | barduck: Why don't you copy the Guild UI for use as a template, then use addon-to-addon communication to determine if someone is online or not? Or you could make the addon add all members of your guild as "friends". |
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| 16:05.58 | barduck | Thrae: I guess it could be easier to create an external addon that just shows the info but I would like it to be the default Guild Roster replacement |
| 16:06.18 | barduck | so it be more intuitive for people to use |
| 16:06.29 | Thrae | barduck: The problem is that WHO requests are throttled, and if you do too many of them within a given period of time, the extra ones will just be discarded, basically removing your ability to use /who |
| 16:06.55 | Thrae | barduck: It would be far easier for you just to attach a frame to the default guild roster UI which has the extra people in it |
| 16:07.18 | barduck | Thrae: yeah, I thought of that. I planned to just queue or time-base the /who requests to the other guild and use the old cached values when possible |
| 16:09.16 | Thrae | barduck: If you want really accurate data on who's online at a given time, add them to the Friends list. Do a queue when you login and every hour or so after that. And give the option to filter the Friends UI. |
| 16:09.36 | Thrae | barduck: The Friends List API has its own events which get sent. |
| 16:10.20 | barduck | Thrae: interesting...I will explore this idea as well |
| 16:11.31 | Thrae | barduck: But the best solution is to have addon-to-addon communication between the two guilds. Have a few people who are online most of the time from the other guild use your addon, and the addon will communicate their Guild events to members of the other guild who are also using the addon. |
| 16:12.13 | barduck | Thrae: but won't it be significantly more complicated to code? |
| 16:12.57 | Thrae | barduck: Well, it -would- involve a hidden chat channel, but there are libraries like AceComm or Telepathy/Sky that can handle this for you. |
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| 16:13.48 | Thrae | barduck: Of course, your two guilds probably already have a chat channel they share, right? You can just use that and filter out the addon's data messages in the ChatFrame (hook AddMessage) |
| 16:14.13 | barduck | ohhh |
| 16:14.17 | barduck | didnt think of that |
| 16:14.23 | barduck | of course we have shared channels |
| 16:14.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | good news #wowi-lounge |
| 16:14.49 | Thrae | barduck: The downside is that anyone not using your addon will see players spewing out your addon's data ;) |
| 16:14.59 | Thrae | barduck: You can just tell them to get with the program, hehe |
| 16:15.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i changed my quit message to a static one, a seperate one for both of my computers |
| 16:15.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you don't have to feel left out from in-jokes from 5 years ago anymore |
| 16:15.24 | barduck | Thrae; I dont need to spew any data, I can read the join/leave messages |
| 16:15.47 | barduck | and each addon instance will cache it |
| 16:15.57 | Thrae | barduck: Ahh, that's an excellent thought. |
| 16:16.15 | Thrae | barduck: You can do a ChatInfo() request when you login...lemme see... |
| 16:16.45 | barduck | well...I will still need to do /who on anyone who joins :) |
| 16:16.55 | barduck | its an open channel.. |
| 16:17.27 | barduck | but it is better because these /who queries are not as often since I can cache them too |
| 16:18.37 | Thrae | barduck: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ListChannelByName |
| 16:19.01 | Thrae | That seems like the most relevant function. It sents the results to the Chat Window, so you'd need to hook AddMessage again... |
| 16:20.23 | Kaso | It'd be better to hook ChatFrame_OnEventHandler than AddMessage |
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| 16:21.14 | Thrae | Kaso has a point. |
| 16:22.02 | Thrae | I'm looking on wowwiki and don't see anything other then http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ListChannelByName, which I find really weird |
| 16:22.27 | Kaso | Anything about what i missed the start of this conv? |
| 16:23.12 | Thrae | Why don't they have functions which simply return what would be sent to the ChatFrame as a string? |
| 16:23.48 | Kaso | Yah that is a touch silly |
| 16:23.54 | Thrae | Kaso: barduck is trying to facilitate cross-guild roster lists. |
| 16:24.23 | barduck | a poor's man "alliance" functionality |
| 16:25.12 | Kaso | ListChannelByName seems to have little benifit over just whooing other than you might have to wait 6sec to who occationally |
| 16:26.28 | Thrae | Kaso: Well, he's using the join/leave messages as a poor man's way to tell if the people from the other guild are online or offline |
| 16:26.52 | Kaso | Ah i see |
| 16:26.54 | barduck | Thrae: I am not using anything yet, its all in the design stage inside my head :) |
| 16:27.24 | Thrae | barduck: I'd start with join/leave messages, but then I'd expand to sending GuildRoster API info across the channel. But start with just the join/leave, that'll be very simple. |
| 16:27.26 | Kaso | Thats prob a good idea then, cant say i though of that |
| 16:28.04 | barduck | yeah, that covers how to obtain the information. |
| 16:28.04 | Thrae | Neither did I honestly, barduck was the one who figured out the simplicity of using the join/leave messages ;) |
| 16:28.21 | Thrae | I suggested hidden addon communication through the channels |
| 16:29.36 | barduck | My bigger problem would probably be how to present it...i.e replacing the guild characters list and/or hooking the GuildRoster() and GetguildRosterIndex() functions |
| 16:29.36 | barduck | But I will try and see what happens :) |
| 16:30.30 | barduck | the next project after that will be unifying the guild chats in a secure way :D |
| 16:30.43 | barduck | heh |
| 16:31.26 | Thrae | barduck: I don't see a reason why you'd need to do that. More then likely, you'd end up tainting the default UI or other addons. Just add an extra frame to the GuildRoster UI with your data. |
| 16:31.42 | Thrae | barduck: Even DAoC had a seperate channel for Alliance communications, makes sense to me ;) |
| 16:32.38 | barduck | Thrae: you mean like a totaly separate frame dangling on the side of the social window ? |
| 16:33.27 | Thrae | barduck: Right. |
| 16:33.38 | barduck | thats an option |
| 16:33.49 | barduck | its certainly easier |
| 16:34.09 | barduck | but I like it less, I think. but we'll see |
| 16:34.44 | barduck | well, guys. You gave me a lot info to chew on. Great help |
| 16:34.57 | barduck | I will head on and go play with that stuff |
| 16:35.13 | barduck | thanks a lot |
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| 16:38.01 | barduck | time to head home. later |
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| 17:33.38 | Kaso | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=285262381&sid=1 |
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| 17:38.22 | barduck | heh...some people are just so stupid |
| 17:38.37 | barduck | what did he think, that they will just give him 5000 gold like that ? |
| 17:38.41 | TC-Working | yea, if your going to try to lie and cheat...at least try to do it well |
| 17:39.47 | TC-Working | Issuntril might get in trouble for posting that publicly, but i think its great |
| 17:40.33 | Kaso | he/she wont, (C/G)Ms have done that before, theres plenty of precedent |
| 17:42.02 | Jumpee | If I have a variable (SomeVariable) that turns out to be nil will this if statement cause an error? <if SomeVariable == 1 then> or will it just be false? |
| 17:42.13 | Cairenn|afk | hahahaha |
| 17:42.36 | Cairenn|afk | (the thread) |
| 17:42.48 | Kaso | Jumpee it will not error |
| 17:43.10 | Cide | >>> foo = nil; if ( foo == 1 ) then return "foo is 1"; else return "foo is not one"; end |
| 17:43.11 | Cide | Cide: "foo is not one" |
| 17:44.43 | Jumpee | ok thanks, I guess I am trying too hard to avoid errors that I check for nil before doing almost anything. |
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| 18:14.39 | Fanboy | anyone here? |
| 18:14.53 | Cairenn|afk | nope |
| 18:15.04 | Fanboy | damn |
| 18:15.10 | Cairenn|afk | sucks, don't it? |
| 18:15.14 | Fanboy | lol |
| 18:15.41 | Fanboy | anyone used gatherbook? |
| 18:15.59 | Fanboy | and got it working? =P |
| 18:17.08 | Fanboy | man i must be the only guy in the world who still got this program |
| 18:17.20 | Kaso | I think so |
| 18:17.27 | Gngsk | dude |
| 18:17.29 | Gngsk | get cartographer |
| 18:17.41 | Gngsk | cartographer_herbalism and cartographer_mining |
| 18:17.46 | Gngsk | then download the wowhead database |
| 18:18.51 | Fanboy | ah thanks alot gngsk |
| 18:19.03 | Fanboy | yeah seems to be alot there |
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| 19:02.43 | VoidRaider|VR | Evening |
| 19:03.19 | VoidRaider | Can anyone look at it and help me out ? |
| 19:03.20 | VoidRaider | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101903090&postId=1016952119&sid=1#6 |
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| 19:09.34 | VoidRaider | How does scaling works ? say I scale down/up a frame what would its Y axis would be then ? |
| 19:10.39 | pastamancer | depends on how it's anchored |
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| 19:11.21 | VoidRaider | Hmm "TOP", "BOTTOM" |
| 19:11.56 | VoidRaider | Relatively to another frame |
| 19:21.47 | Fanboy | off topic question.. how do you recall totems on a shaman? =D |
| 19:23.02 | Kaso | you train the totem recall spell |
| 19:23.27 | Kaso | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=36936 |
| 19:23.29 | Kaso | needs level 30 |
| 19:23.52 | TC-Working | well arent you Mr. know it all |
| 19:24.11 | Fanboy | ah thanks kaso, yes top marks there |
| 19:24.29 | Kaso | if you're a leet shaman you use totemic call right when you're totem are about to tick-off for free mana :> |
| 19:24.55 | Fanboy | eheh i'm no 1337 shaman yet but gettin there =D |
| 19:31.08 | KarlThePagan | has anyone here had an issue with casting targeted aoe spells |
| 19:31.09 | Josh_Borke | i have when i MC something |
| 19:31.13 | Josh_Borke | sometimes it just doesn't work |
| 19:31.14 | KarlThePagan | i'm wondering if it's a mod or just a bug with mass dispell |
| 19:31.24 | KarlThePagan | yea like you click on the spell then on the target and it won't work |
| 19:31.30 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 19:31.35 | KarlThePagan | you end up having to cancel the spell and cast again |
| 19:31.40 | KarlThePagan | yea same problem |
| 19:31.49 | KarlThePagan | I should test with zero addons |
| 19:32.02 | KarlThePagan | and nameplates on/off |
| 19:32.40 | KarlThePagan | pretty frustrating to have to perform some serious mouse & keyboard acrobatics to just start casting mass dispel |
| 19:33.30 | KarlThePagan | might have something to do with click & drag on hidden frames? |
| 19:33.54 | cogwheel|work | noooooooooooo |
| 19:34.02 | cogwheel|work | forum maintenance :( |
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| 20:03.59 | Shadowed | KarlThePagan: Is the bug related to where you'll use the AE targetting circle, you click and it doesn't go through? |
| 20:04.03 | Shadowed | </late> |
| 20:04.17 | Shadowed | and yes i know theres no opening |
| 20:04.23 | KarlThePagan | Shadowed, thanks yes those are the syptoms |
| 20:04.42 | Shadowed | It's a game bug last I heard, I've gotten it with Distract before |
| 20:04.52 | KarlThePagan | ok good to know thanks |
| 20:05.01 | Shadowed | I think it was fixed in 2.1 actually |
| 20:05.01 | KarlThePagan | i should do some arenas on PTR |
| 20:05.03 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 20:05.08 | KarlThePagan | that would be perfect |
| 20:05.28 | KarlThePagan | there are some times when i'm actually just sitting there doing nothing for 3 seconds trying to cast mass dispell |
| 20:05.32 | KarlThePagan | >.< |
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| 20:06.11 | Shadowed | yea it gets annoying |
| 20:06.25 | Shadowed | boggle |
| 20:06.29 | Shadowed | what is up with the SpamMeNot spam? |
| 20:06.46 | Industrial | I am now 3337/6000 Friendly with Silvermoon City. Level 19 undead. I have done ghostlands. each and every quest. Should I also do the first area completely for rep is isnt that possible anymore? I want a chicken mount at 40. |
| 20:06.56 | TC-Working | heh, the anti-spam blocking program spam |
| 20:07.03 | Shadowed | yeah the irony is amusing |
| 20:07.15 | Industrial | s/is /or / |
| 20:07.18 | Shadowed | Industrial: Not sure if thats possible anymore |
| 20:07.19 | TC-Working | now you need a new mod that blocks the spam from that |
| 20:07.27 | Industrial | Shadowed: hm ok |
| 20:07.31 | Shadowed | Someone should make a Firefox plugin for it |
| 20:07.32 | Industrial | Shadowed: ill try anyway |
| 20:07.47 | Shadowed | Doesn't reputation reward degrade when the quest is green/gray? |
| 20:07.47 | KarlThePagan | I doubt you can get a chicken mount at 40, but good luck that would be awesome |
| 20:08.08 | KarlThePagan | I think reputation doesn't degrade like exp |
| 20:08.33 | Industrial | k |
| 20:08.39 | Industrial | worth trying:_ |
| 20:09.00 | KarlThePagan | too bad you can't do AV until 50 |
| 20:09.07 | KarlThePagan | er... 51? |
| 20:09.42 | Shadowed | 51 |
| 20:09.45 | Shadowed | 51-60, 61-70 |
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| 20:34.05 | Industrial | I has popcorns |
| 20:36.26 | Cairenn|afk | popcorn is good |
| 20:40.52 | TC-Working | bag poped, or stove top? |
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| 20:46.27 | TC-Working | from "real" kernals....not the fake stuff you get elsewhere |
| 20:46.32 | TC-Working | kernels* |
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| 20:50.14 | Tem | as I was saying before my router decided to be retarded |
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| 20:50.25 | Tem | I got a hundred on my probability test. so I don't have to take the final |
| 20:50.26 | Tem | woot |
| 20:51.02 | krka | what are the odds |
| 20:51.09 | cogwheel|work | ~rimshot |
| 20:51.11 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 20:51.13 | Cairenn|afk | grats Tem! |
| 20:51.37 | Tem | krka, you fail at puns |
| 20:51.47 | Cide | haha, I laughed |
| 20:52.17 | krka | :( |
| 20:52.31 | Cairenn|afk | I laughed too |
| 20:52.52 | TC-Working | hey..dont do that |
| 20:53.01 | TC-Working | it's more likely to happen again that way |
| 20:53.11 | zenzelezz | we love puns |
| 20:53.11 | krka | how'd you know i'm a cli kinda guy? |
| 20:53.29 | TC-Working | no, you love puns |
| 20:53.38 | zenzelezz | yes, we do |
| 20:53.44 | TC-Working | there is no "we" in the devils spawn that is puns |
| 20:54.49 | zenzelezz | we pity you |
| 20:55.15 | TC-Working | hah...waste of time |
| 20:55.33 | Cairenn|afk | ./Mr. T. voice "We pity the fool that doesn't like puns!" /Mr. T. voice |
| 20:55.47 | krka | you can't really fail at puns... attempt is success! |
| 20:55.58 | zenzelezz | heh... I considered putting it as "we pity the fool [...]" |
| 20:56.04 | zenzelezz | Cairenn++ |
| 20:57.00 | TC-Working | puns = evil |
| 20:57.16 | zenzelezz | you think we're not evil? |
| 20:57.36 | TC-Working | hmm...i really didnt think about it i suppose |
| 20:57.42 | Cairenn|afk | TC-Working's been living under a rock, apparently |
| 20:58.00 | TC-Working | yup, with a really fast system setup |
| 20:58.16 | TC-Working | i like my rock....i want to go back there now |
| 20:58.41 | Cide | hm |
| 20:59.47 | Cide | what's up with spell damage messages containing an extra space? I'm getting something like "You suffer 200 Nature damage from Big Big Spider>>> <<<'s Dread Poison." |
| 20:59.58 | cogwheel|work | Does anyone else see the irony in the immense number of posts complaining about gold spam? |
| 21:00.05 | Cide | emphasis on space mine! |
| 21:00.50 | TC-Working | because someone did it on accedent |
| 21:00.54 | Cide | cogwheel|work: yeah, it's funny |
| 21:01.39 | Cairenn|afk | nothing like drawing everyone's attention to it, if they weren't already aware of it |
| 21:03.03 | Kaso | Cide, didnt sw_stats and the like have to implement a fix for that when 2.1 came out |
| 21:03.48 | Cide | no idea |
| 21:04.20 | Tem | not if they used the global strings like they were supposed to |
| 21:04.34 | Tem | unless the space isn't in the strings |
| 21:04.37 | Tem | then yeah |
| 21:04.39 | Tem | they're boned |
| 21:04.50 | Tain | He who controls the space controls the universe. |
| 21:05.12 | zenzelezz | *spice |
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| 21:05.18 | Kaso | as far as i can see, SW_FixLogStrings what im thinking about is for dealing with multiple 's |
| 21:05.34 | Kaso | "Twilight's Hammer Ambassador's Nature's Grasp... does stuff" |
| 21:05.43 | Kaso | so its not connected ignore me |
| 21:06.40 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:06.47 | Cide | lua's pattern matching makes me want to cry sometimes |
| 21:07.15 | pastamancer | indeed |
| 21:08.09 | Shadowed | At least the code in SpamMeNot looks more sane then SpamSentry :p |
| 21:08.23 | Kaso | is SpamMeNot the one that /whos people? |
| 21:08.38 | Shadowed | both of them /who people |
| 21:08.54 | Kaso | I though sentry was purely keyword filtering |
| 21:08.56 | Shadowed | at least i assume they do |
| 21:09.19 | Kaso | I wrote my own one a fair old while ago that does /who ing, its served me well enough |
| 21:10.31 | Shadowed | Wouldn't it be faster to addpeople to the friends list anyway? |
| 21:10.41 | Kaso | hm? |
| 21:10.47 | Kaso | adding them then removing again? |
| 21:10.57 | Shadowed | yea |
| 21:11.09 | Kaso | didnt really think of that but perhaps it'd get around the 6second whisper thottle |
| 21:11.31 | Kaso | but then again 99% of the time the throttling doesnt effect me so its never been an issue |
| 21:13.07 | Shadowed | You can have a maximum of 5 friends, it's relatively easy to block everything and worst case you're using up 3-4 slots...along with not having to deal with blocking the player from using /who when a whisper comes |
| 21:13.15 | Shadowed | seems like a better deal then using who |
| 21:15.08 | Cairenn|afk | okay, out for the evening, watch the Wings woop SJ ass, might be back on-line later on, depending on how late the game goes |
| 21:15.48 | Shadowed | err, 50 friends |
| 21:16.40 | Tain | No high-sticking, Cairenn! |
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| 21:32.28 | cladhaire | what debuffs can paladins remove? |
| 21:32.48 | cladhaire | and shaman, actually |
| 21:33.14 | Cide | paladins can do all but curses |
| 21:33.25 | Cide | shaman can do magic offensively, poison and disease defensively |
| 21:34.04 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 21:34.11 | Cide | (paladins can only cleanse defensively) |
| 21:36.11 | zenzelezz | what's offensive/defensive cleansing? |
| 21:36.37 | Cide | priests' dispel magic works both on friendly targets and on enemy targets |
| 21:36.43 | Cide | cleanse only works on friendly targets |
| 21:36.50 | Cide | purge only works on enemy targets |
| 21:36.53 | zenzelezz | ah, I see |
| 21:37.01 | Shadowed | Offensive means you can only remove it on a hostile target, Defensive means you can only remove it on a friendly |
| 21:37.02 | Tain | Mages can do something! |
| 21:37.08 | Shadowed | go lag |
| 21:37.20 | Shadowed | curses |
| 21:37.41 | Cide | poison cleansing totem only on friendly, cure disease and disease-cleansing totem only friendly also |
| 21:37.43 | Kaso | I've often wondered, when i dispell an enemies Mind Control, am i dispeling a hardful effect of a friendly, or a friendly effect of an enemy. |
| 21:37.52 | TC-Working | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:38.06 | TC-Working | wow, i feel so much better now |
| 21:38.17 | Cide | TC-Working: have some creepy doll: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTSkWnKs9rM |
| 21:38.39 | Shadowed | Friendly effect on an enemy i'd imagine |
| 21:38.57 | Cide | pretty sure it's a hostile effect on a friendly turned hostile |
| 21:39.21 | Cide | as in, debuff on a friendly who is temporarily unfriendly (yes, that's a different state than downright hostile) |
| 21:39.49 | Shadowed | it is? |
| 21:39.54 | Kaso | I guess that makes sense |
| 21:40.00 | Kaso | otherwise MC wouldnt always be dispelled first time |
| 21:40.03 | nevcairiel | can you dispell MC at all? |
| 21:40.07 | Cide | yes, nevcairiel |
| 21:40.21 | Cide | Shadowed: yes, there's an API function that returns different values for MC'd friendlies and enemies |
| 21:40.25 | Cide | I forgot which |
| 21:40.27 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:40.42 | Cide | it's something along the lines of both UnitIsEnemy and UnitIsFriendly returning true for an MC'd friendly |
| 21:41.16 | cogwheel|work | UnitCanAssist returns false but UnitIsFriend returns true |
| 21:41.30 | Cide | ah, maybe that's the one |
| 21:41.42 | cogwheel|work | UnitCanAttack would return true as well |
| 21:43.08 | TC-Working | cide...that was usual for craptube |
| 21:43.18 | Cide | TC-Working: hm? |
| 21:43.38 | TC-Working | the link |
| 21:43.47 | Cide | what's usual about it? |
| 21:43.55 | TC-Working | it's crappy |
| 21:43.59 | Cide | the video? |
| 21:44.23 | Cide | it's the best song ever |
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| 22:18.49 | cladhaire | how annoying |
| 22:18.58 | cladhaire | tracking down a bug, cause there's a poison debuff called "Poison" |
| 22:18.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:19.08 | pastamancer | haha |
| 22:19.16 | cladhaire | praid was showing a stack of two |
| 22:19.18 | cladhaire | i was like WTF |
| 22:20.15 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 22:20.21 | cladhaire | i need to figure out how to scale fontstrings properly |
| 22:20.31 | cladhaire | like when to bump them up, etc. |
| 22:20.36 | cladhaire | err down, rather |
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| 22:30.09 | TC-Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.09 | TC-Working | Electronista speculates that the computer will feature the new Santa Rosa chipset (Centrino successor), GeForce Go 8000 video card, HDMI out, HD DVD option, and the ability to make even the most inactive WoW players buff up by lugging it around. |
| 22:30.15 | TC-Working | eh..my bad |
| 22:30.21 | TC-Working | i didnt even press enter |
| 22:30.25 | TC-Working | :( |
| 22:33.25 | Shadowed | why do people associate GM tickets with breaking SpamSentry completely |
| 22:33.26 | Shadowed | ... |
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| 22:37.44 | cladhaire | any event fire when a unit goes AFK? |
| 22:38.59 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: I think a lot of people perceive that as a more important feature than blocking the spam itself... |
| 22:39.38 | Shadowed | such odd people |
| 22:39.42 | TC-Working | cladhaire, doesnt there have to be? |
| 22:39.56 | cladhaire | TC-Working: no |
| 22:39.57 | Shadowed | Isn't there like a player_mods_changed or something that fires? |
| 22:40.00 | cladhaire | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED |
| 22:40.09 | cladhaire | can someone hop on draka with me? |
| 22:40.11 | cladhaire | alliance |
| 22:40.12 | cladhaire | we'll test real quick? |
| 22:40.16 | Shadowed | Oh, when somebody else goes AFK? |
| 22:40.21 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:40.23 | cladhaire | someone in my raid. |
| 22:40.24 | Shadowed | I don't think so |
| 22:40.37 | cladhaire | wanna test it out? =) |
| 22:40.43 | Shadowed | I'm in a battleground =p |
| 22:40.52 | cladhaire | fwiw, it does have arg1 |
| 22:40.55 | cladhaire | so anything's possible :P |
| 22:40.56 | Shadowed | Last I checked CTRaid used polling of UnitIsAFK to check |
| 22:41.06 | cladhaire | boo imo |
| 22:41.34 | cladhaire | oh well, guess that's not making it in this update of PerfectRaid |
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| 22:54.49 | TC-Working | ~blorb |
| 22:54.51 | purl | ACTION blorbs |
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| 23:06.26 | ckknight | cladhaire: I could hop on |
| 23:15.40 | cladhaire | ckknight: if you want, I'm still there, on alliance side |
| 23:15.44 | cladhaire | it'd be nice if there was an event for it =) |
| 23:15.52 | ckknight | nah, gtg |
| 23:17.03 | cladhaire | ok |
| 23:32.06 | JoshBorke | kergoth: finally update loottracker |
| 23:32.21 | kergoth | woot |
| 23:35.03 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.11 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:35.16 | cladhaire | my mom has direct svn access |
| 23:35.32 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: that's good, it's very useful |
| 23:36.09 | JoshBorke | kergoth: just waiting on lazy wowi admins *cough* cladhaire *cough* |
| 23:36.21 | cladhaire | i dont get notified when there's something in the queue |
| 23:36.23 | cladhaire | or you'd never be waiting |
| 23:36.40 | cladhaire | event driven ftw, polling ftl |
| 23:36.51 | JoshBorke | excuses excuses |
| 23:36.59 | JoshBorke | that's what i read anyway :-P |
| 23:37.02 | cladhaire | approved bish |
| 23:37.19 | cladhaire | wow |
| 23:37.22 | cladhaire | this isn't half bad: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7888&tnow=1178581025.jpg |
| 23:47.52 | zenzelezz | not my style, but definitely nice work |
| 23:48.25 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:48.26 | cladhaire | i won't use it |
| 23:48.29 | cladhaire | btu its not half bad =) |
| 23:50.23 | cladhaire | kergoth: How do you deal with the rev # differences with svk/svn |
