IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20070504

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00:01.10IndustrialBleeter: no the mods are cool. I cant really say anything about the hosting costs but apparently there are companies (wowi) that can host these things.
00:01.39IndustrialBleeter: im also not implying you are wrong.
00:01.56Corrodiasi am
00:02.10BleeterIndustrial: afaik, WoWI's hosting doesn't give shell access, let alone sudo(1) powers ;)
00:02.43IndustrialI dont need that :>
00:02.49Industrialto host my addons that is
00:03.17IndustrialBleeter: I meant it more in the case of an addon writer (1) that makes addons by him/herself for him/herself
00:03.29Industrialit can be different with large(r) projects
00:03.34Bleeterfair enough, but your above comments were basically saying that norganna's crew are bad for taking donations to help offset costs
00:04.08Bleeterhmm, it's a slippery slope
00:04.26Bleeterif a solo addon author writes something that's really good, and people want to donate lots of money.. then why not?
00:04.36wobinWe can't let barbers cut our hair!
00:04.41Bleeterthey may donate enough so that the author can quite their (inevitably) unsatisfying day job ;)
00:04.42wobinSoon they'll be cutting our throats!
00:04.47Corrodiaswhy not? because then this mod author might think that people LIKE his work
00:05.05Cairennkeep it civil guys (you've been okay so far, just reminding)
00:05.10Corrodiaschaos would ensue
00:05.16Industrialheh
00:05.51Cairennhi
00:06.07IndustrialI just dont like the thought of linking items (money) as rewards for things ive made while practising my hobby
00:06.19Industrials/for/to/
00:06.43CairennIndustrial: ever buy something at a craft fair?
00:06.54BleeterIndustrial: that's fine.. you don't have to take donations, nor do you have to give them. Doesn't mean others are wrong to do so.
00:06.56zenzelezzCarmack enjoys his coding
00:07.32IndustrialBleeter: no, but im just saying that i dont like it ;)
00:08.31Bleeteryou don't like the idea that someone might be popular enough to make enough money from donations so they can quit their day job? you're a cruel cruel man! :-P
00:08.39Industrialha
00:08.41Corrodiasdoesn't like to take donations himself
00:08.45Corrodiasi think
00:08.50Corrodiasotherwise i have no idea what he's trying to say
00:09.03Industrialwhy money?
00:09.13ckknightmoney buys things.
00:09.23Corrodiasnice things
00:09.30zenzelezzwhy not money?
00:09.31Industrialthings dont make you code better. shouldnt, event.
00:09.39Industrialeven*
00:09.44Industrialthats the problem.
00:09.50ckknightwhy does that matter?
00:09.58Industrialbecause its your drive - or not
00:10.00Corrodiasbut they increase your happiness. at least, for me, money can do that.
00:10.00ckknightand actually, yes they can.
00:10.05TC-Workingyes "things" can make you code better
00:10.06ckknightmoney can pay for WoW
00:10.20Industriala job can too
00:10.22TC-Workingmore comfortable system setup
00:10.23Bleeterif money doesn't make you code better... every employed coder on the planet should tell their boss it's gratia from here on in?
00:10.26Corrodiasit's common among humans, Industrial, for people to show their appreciation for something by giving the provider a gift
00:10.35Corrodiaswhether it be food or otherwise
00:10.43Corrodiasat least in america
00:10.48Corrodiasmaybe they don't do that in europe
00:10.50IndustrialBleeter: this is your hobby. I hope.
00:10.58ckknightIndustrial: but why shouldn't my users pay for my WoW?
00:11.05Cairenn(8:05:28 PM) Cairenn: Industrial: ever buy something at a craft fair?
00:11.08TC-Workingheh, can we give coders dead chickens as "gifts"?
00:11.16wobinwoohoo!
00:11.19Corrodiashorse heads
00:11.21BleeterTC-Working: rubber chickens
00:11.22wobinaw
00:11.25IndustrialTC-Working: bug reports, i like those.
00:11.28wobinI could do stuff with chickens
00:11.29TC-Workingor would they use them for inapropriate things
00:11.32wobinhorseheads, not so much
00:11.46TC-WorkingBleeter...see...bad Bleeter bad
00:12.16TC-Workingfine, they can give you moneu & bug reports
00:12.22TC-Workingtake the money and donate it yourself
00:12.26IndustrialCairenn: dont the people that offer(!) their products(!) go there to sell(!) their products?
00:12.51wobinSell sell sell at craaaaazy prices?
00:13.10Bleeterok then, how about a rubber chicken with a pulley?
00:13.19wobinwoo
00:13.20Bleeteror does no one remember the secret of monkey island?
00:13.32CairennIndustrial: yet how many people that sell their stuff at craft fairs, it is their "hobby"?  how is that different?
00:13.33ckknightIndustrial: so you think it'd be better if we sold our addons instead?
00:13.34wobinnow we're getting snazzy
00:14.19Industrialckknight: wrong way in the other direction
00:14.20ckknightso you hate craft fairs?
00:14.24Cairenn(not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, just trying to give an alternate RL example to compare it to)
00:14.25Industriali dont hate craft fairs where id you get that from
00:14.37Shirikum
00:14.37wobinCairenn: I think it's the point between whether they -need- to sell it for the money, and whether they just sell it cause they don't have room to put any more stuff in their house =)
00:14.37CorrodiasIndustrial codes -worse- when people show him they like his stuff?
00:14.37Shirikjust for clarification
00:14.37Bleeterwobin: I think we need the Chaser's Suprise Spruiker for some of these mods that suggest donations ;)
00:14.37Shirikif you're going the wrong way in the opposite direction
00:14.37Shirikaren't you going the right way?
00:14.38wobinBleeter: rofl
00:14.46IndustrialShirik: needs, a comma
00:15.27Bleeterwobin: having said that, Mr 10 Questions would be good in here, too
00:15.31Shiriktrying to debate where to go to eat
00:15.42ckknightIndustrial: that's the impression that I got. that it's better to sell than to ask for donations
00:15.53wobin"Hm, 4 out of 10. I'll put that in your wikipedia article too..."
00:16.05IndustrialCairenn: sure i understand but lets take it really simple; "look what ive made, wanna buy?" "look what ive made, here". the "here" is reallyreally easy on the internet.
00:16.07Bleeterwobin: thanks.. I was gunna look to see that it got added hehe
00:16.15Shirikoh god
00:16.15Bleeterhad completely forgotten
00:16.19Shiriknow I see what this conversation is all about
00:16.25wobinBleeter: He did quite well, with those questions, actually =)
00:16.30Shirikan extension of what we were talking about yesterday, perhaps
00:16.36zenzelezzIndustrial: I have no clue what the "here" means... handing it away?
00:16.41Industrialyes
00:16.44wobinShirik: Rubber Chickens Need More Pulley?
00:16.48Bleeterwobin: "How did you find the time to write all those articles" -> "Lots of coffee" rofl
00:16.50Shirikuh
00:16.53Shiriksure :P
00:16.54zenzelezzyou do know you can still freely download these addons?
00:17.04ckknightIndustrial: I don't see why selling things/asking for donations is so bad.
00:17.14Corrodiasi'm getting SICK of animals blocking and parrying when I CANNOT
00:17.21Shirikrofl
00:17.27Shirikblock with their arm
00:17.27nymbiaclearly outplayed
00:17.31Industriali do, but i wont donate to the site that hosts them. (but i appreciate it very much)
00:17.32Shirikparry with their tail
00:17.42Corrodiasbut my bear can't. what crap.
00:17.43nymbiateeth!
00:17.44wobinBleeter: I know for sure, if those questions were thrown at me cold at a press conference, I'd spend the first five or so going "Huh? what the..."
00:17.55TC-WorkingCorrodias, i think a pelt would be nice...maybe bear or cat
00:18.11Industrialckknight: see? you are selling things.
00:18.13ckknightthe internet may make it easier to get your stuff out there, but it doesn't mean it didn't take time and energy to make it, that you may want to be compensated for
00:18.21zenzelezzthat's the whole point, these addons say you CAN donate if you feel like it, but not one of them say you SHOULD
00:18.30ckknightIndustrial: I don't see an issue with selling things. I'm a capitalist
00:18.30Bleeter(for those wondering what the hell Wobin and I are on about... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/technology/chasers-war-on-wikipedia-founder/2007/04/26/1177459849504.html )
00:18.58Industrialckknight: im semi-socialist. I do this for fun and not to enrich my life with material matters
00:19.02Cairennyou guys were on about something? I guess I should stop ignoring you or something
00:19.31zenzelezzso just because someone lets you donate they're no longer doing the coding because they like it?
00:19.34ckknightwell, material matters can include things like food or college tuition for me
00:19.36zenzelezzthey're not mutually exclusive
00:19.39Industrialckknight: i dont need the money. id rather have someone say "hey thanks man" then a donation.
00:19.41Corrodiasi'd love to live in this happy-go-lucky internet of yours where bandwidth is free
00:20.05ckknightwell, I'm of the opinion that if someone gets something for free, they don't appreciate it as much
00:20.09Industrialckknight: but ofcourse after  the 100'th one it gets dull
00:20.09Corrodiasbut the customer service would probably suck
00:20.36Industrialif only people worked together
00:20.41Industrialeh?
00:20.52ckknightin some hippie paradise?
00:21.01Corrodiasliving in an amish paradise
00:21.03ckknight:-P
00:22.02ShirikBleeter: that guy sounds like Colbert
00:22.02TC-Workingouch
00:22.02wobinBleeter: Honestly, I think we're the only country that could accept The Chaser and work with them =P
00:22.02zenzelezzwhat about the organizations that help children or people in need because they like to do it, should they also not accept donations?
00:22.14Industrialzenzelezz: governmental support.
00:22.19Industrialzenzelezz: and taxes
00:22.33wobinShirik: Almost, except Colbert can do his act from behind a desk
00:22.49wobinShirik: The Chaser tends to go out on the street and hound the politicians personally =P
00:22.52ckknightdon't take my taxes away from me
00:22.59ckknightwhat if I don't agree with certain programs?
00:23.02wobinShirik: For which they'd probably get shot, in America =)
00:23.02ckknightor if they are corrupt
00:23.06Shiriklol
00:23.11Industrialvote.
00:23.32zenzelezzso it's different if the money comes from the government or from money forcefully extracted from someone's salary?
00:23.47ckknightI do vote, and I'm glad that we don't live in a socialistic nation. I'd vote against that
00:23.49Industrialyes, because it will be everyone helping everyone
00:23.50BleeterShirik: one of the Chaser guys tried applying for an internship with Hillary. He had semi-nude photos made up and all, and said he'd bring his own cigars. She didn't seem to really appreciate the humor (nor did her minders)
00:23.58Bleeter(Clinton, that is)
00:24.41ckknightIndustrial: or just the rich helping the poor
00:24.50Corrodiasme donating because i'll go to prison otherwise = good, donating because i want to help = bad?
00:25.02Industrialckknight: you are plainly saying "i like being better off then someone else and having more money because i was smarter in getting it" ?
00:25.05zenzelezzexcept the rich people usually don't pay as much taxes as the regular guy
00:25.11ckknightCorrodias: thus the connundrum of social welfare vs. charity
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00:25.19ckknightIndustrial: oh yes.
00:25.20Industrialzenzelezz: all problems i agnowledge
00:25.23wobinIndustrial: That's the way it usually is, though isn't it?
00:25.29Industrialwobin: yes
00:25.32Bleeterzenzelezz: 'coz they're the only ones who can afford the topnotch lawyers/accountants?
00:25.40ckknightIndustrial: the weaker members of society don't deserve my support
00:25.54Shirik:( devtools is out of date
00:25.55Industrialckknight: then you arent getting any of me
00:25.58wobinIf I'm more intelligent about what choices I make, why -shouldn't- I make more money than someone who is dumb?
00:25.59zenzelezzBleeter: or because they keep their money everywhere except in their country
00:26.13ckknightwell, at least my forced support
00:26.21ckknightI do actual charity work pretty regularly once a week
00:26.35Bleeterckknight: here's hoping if you have kids, that they all have 10 fingers, toes, all brain cells intact, etc. 'coz otherwise you'll have to kill them at birth (weaker don't deserve your support)
00:26.40wobinyeah, he talks to us! =)
00:26.45Corrodiassure thing
00:26.56wobinBleeter: We can toss them off a mountain
00:26.58ckknightBleeter: actually they'd be checked before they were born and in a case where one was deformed, they'd be aborted.
00:27.03wobinBleeter: Cause this is SPAAARRRTAAAA
00:27.19Bleeterwobin: I miss the days of the old testament and public stonings :(
00:27.23ckknighta lot of diseases and genetic problems can be detected before birth nowadays.
00:27.38wobinBleeter: "Are there any women here?!" "No" "No" "...No"
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00:27.42ckknightBleeter: and I'm very much against a regression towards the mean.
00:27.45Bleeterckknight: doesn't mean all... you're still going to be running the chance of having to kill your child at birth
00:28.05LegorolDid anyone get on the PTR yet since the new patch?
00:28.06Shirikpregunta
00:28.08LegorolTwo great new features:
00:28.14ckknightLegorol: hrm?
00:28.14Legorolreport spam mail and report spammer
00:28.21ckknightah, cool
00:28.25Bleeterschweet
00:28.27ShirikCan anyone take a look at this and tell me why this returns nil? string.find("Brother Malach's First Aid heals Edward for 484", "([A-Za-z0-9 \\']+)'s ([A-Za-z0-9 \\']+)( critically)? heals ([A-Za-z0-9 \\']+) for ([0-9]+)")
00:28.27Legorolthere is a new Report Spam button on mails you open
00:28.35Ziconindustrial: Maybe saying what you think is the problem. ;p
00:28.38Legoroland a Report option in unitpopup if you right-click a name
00:28.40CairennIndustrial: from what I can see, what you previously brought up isn't even being discussed any longer
00:28.44wobinAlthough, I find it highly amusing that there are people on wikipedia that have made it their goal to permanently redirect "Madness" to "Sparta" =)
00:28.49ckknightShirik: ( critically)? doesn't work
00:28.59Shirikit does on the other ones :/
00:29.05ckknightnot in lua
00:29.08ckknightlua's patterns aren't regex
00:29.22wobinShirik: Cause you're matching "'" twice?
00:29.25CairennZicon: that was an unacceptable comment, please don't go there again - people most certainly ARE allowed to say what they think in this channel
00:29.32Shirikam I?
00:29.36ShirikI don't think so
00:29.43LegorolShirik: it's what ckknight says
00:29.50Legorol(abc)? doesn't do what you think it does
00:29.59GryphenCairenn: but but, Zicon said what he thought!
00:30.03Legorolit will match "(abc" followed by 0 or 1 ")"
00:30.09Cairenn...
00:30.10Gryphen>:)
00:30.13IndustrialCairenn: its still the same issue to me. thinking of it as "work" and wanting compromise for it is (i think) uncool
00:30.29ckknightZicon: down with censorship!
00:30.29IndustrialCairenn: addons made by one person in their spare time next to work that is
00:30.32LegorolIndustrial: it's fine to think it's uncool
00:30.33ShirikI have this for hostleplayer buff: ([A-Za-z0-9]+)'s ([A-Za-z0-9 \\']+)( critically)? heals ([A-Za-z0-9]+) for ([0-9]+)
00:30.36Shirikwhich works fine.
00:30.40ShirikSo that can't be the problem
00:30.42Legorolthe problem is that you started by saying that what the person is doing is wrong
00:30.43Ziconcairenn: It was meant in jest, but there's no way I'm picking a fight with you. :)
00:30.46ckknightpeople should be informed of the errors of their ways by discussion, not by force.
00:30.50Legorolit's not wrong, it's just something you wouldn't do, and something you don't respect
00:30.55Legorolthat's a different thing from being "wrong"
00:30.57ckknightI'll pick a fight with Cairenn!
00:30.59wobindamnit, no Cide =)
00:31.01ckknightCairenn: poopie!
00:31.10CairennZicon: I'll trust that it was a jest
00:31.15Cairennckknight: dogs!
00:31.18ckknightcurses
00:31.21ckknightfoiled again
00:31.25ckknightI'll get you next time.
00:31.28Cairennheh
00:31.30ckknightalright, gonna hit up Subway
00:31.31wobinNext time, Gadget, next time!
00:31.37Legoroloh, oh, can i also join in the pick-a-fight-with-Cairenn?
00:31.38Industriallol wobin
00:31.45Industrial*evil hand of doom*
00:33.15KasoShirik sorry for coming in really late to this conversaion and being too lazy to read the up, but whats with the crazy patterns?
00:33.55Shirikckknight: This is from the manual: a single character class followed by '?', which matches 0 or 1 occurrence of a character in the class;
00:34.11Shirikis this to imply I can only use it after a character class? Not in a capture like that
00:34.17LegorolShirik: (...) is not a single character class
00:34.18ShirikAlso I just realized there's a logic error in that anyway
00:34.29Shirikyes... I know...
00:34.33Legorolenclosing things in brackets doesn't amke it a single entity
00:34.42Legorol? will apply to the single character in front of it,
00:34.54KasoWhy dont you use some of the single letter patterns to simplify your huge sets?
00:34.55Legorolor for example [a-cg-h]? works as well
00:35.03nymbiaShirik: careful of unicode characters
00:35.10wobinugh
00:35.12ShirikKaso: Personal preference
00:35.16wobinif the name has unicode in it =\
00:35.18Shiriknymbia: First things first :P
00:35.40ShirikI want to get it working first, then I'll bother to make touchups like that
00:36.13LegorolShirik: that's not a touchup
00:36.23Legorolignoring Unicode is like saying that you ignore names with Z in them
00:36.24Shiriksure it is
00:36.27Legorol:/
00:36.30Shirikyup.
00:36.37ShirikAnd currently it's not localized anyway
00:36.41Legorolthose names are just as valid and sensible as any other, don't discriminate poor unicode names
00:36.52ShirikIf you don't have a normal name on a US server, then you deserve the problems.
00:37.00WobZin=(
00:37.02Legorolwhat do you mean by "normal"
00:37.10Legorolsee, this attitude is what makes localization so hard
00:37.25Legorolpeople don't think of localization up front, but try to squeeze it in afterwards
00:37.30ShirikAt this point
00:37.35zenzelezzI find André to be more valid than Uberninjadude
00:37.38ShirikI'm not even going to "squeeze it in afterwardss"
00:37.47Legorolanyhoo it's your code
00:37.48ShirikRecall that I have not written this entire addon.
00:38.00nymbiawhich addon?
00:38.20ShirikTrying to localize it would require a major change to VFL
00:38.25ShirikWhich is Veni's baby, not mine.
00:38.49ShirikIt's been discussed, Cidan and I are thinking about doing it, but it's going to take a hell of a long time
00:38.57ShirikAnd for now, there are greater priorities
00:39.03ShirikSometimes you have to sacrifice some things to get what you want
00:39.07ShirikIt's a fact of life.
00:39.17Kaeltenanyone want to give me some feedback on this? http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/gallery/details/22638/kci-1-0s-new-tooltips/
00:39.28pastamancerShirik: I've already done the UTF8 work for you
00:39.38ShirikI refuse to go to that link on account of it's a curse link
00:39.51ShirikI still don't see the point.
00:40.09ShirikIt's not going to work anyway even if I DID include it
00:40.25Shirikso, since I"m scrambling to get this done so my guild (and ONLY my guild) can use it over the weekend
00:40.28Shirikwhy am I going to bother with that right now
00:41.20ShirikI NEED to get a recording of Kara at some point. I'd prefer it be this weekend, that way I don't have to wait another week for it, and I can work on it some more. Again... sometimes sacrifices have to be made
00:41.27WobinKaelten: I'd prefer something a little more compact
00:41.27pastamancer([A-Za-z0-9]+)'s can easily be ([^']+)'s
00:41.47WobinKaelten: Maybe colour the numbers to the type instead of the coin icons
00:42.13Shirikpastamancer: ok, but [A-Za-z0-9 \\'] can't
00:42.13Corrodiaswiped on maiden again
00:42.15Corrodiasyaaay.
00:42.20Shirikbut there are similar ways around that
00:42.26Kaeltenwobin: I'm going to have a text mode that won't use moneyframe and also allow you to customize the lable
00:42.35Shirikbut still, you're missing the point. There's no reason for me to go to do that if it's not going to work anyway.
00:42.53ShirikIn fact, if I DID capture a unicode unit name right now, I'm pretty sure it would crash the HOT tracker
00:43.08pastamancerShirik: well, there's always non-greedy matching
00:43.18Shirikyeh
00:43.26pastamancerlet me see what parserlib uses
00:43.28Shirik.-'s
00:43.36Wobingood o'l .-
00:43.46ShirikI almost wrote that
00:43.49Wobins/o'l/ol'/
00:43.50nymbiawhy doesnt the pattern work, then?
00:44.04Shirikwell we're way off topic but...
00:44.10Shirik( critically)? isn't legal
00:44.29Shirikbut... why the hell did it work in one of the other ones
00:44.31Shirikthat's what I don't get
00:44.41pastamanceroh, right... deformat
00:44.42nymbiait'd work if the spell crit ;)
00:44.44Shirikunless it was because its operation is undefined
00:45.01Shiriknah, it worked on a regular heal too for one of the other patterns
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00:46.51Shiriknymbia: To answer your question from a year ago, RDX
00:47.06ShirikI missed it
00:47.10nymbiaShirik: yeah, i picked that up in the meantime ;)
00:47.32Shirikwell... I'm happy enough for this year
00:47.34ShirikCEC 320 01DB Microprocessor Systems 3.00 3.00 A 12.00 L 01/10-05/03
00:47.35ShirikCEC 322 02DB Microprocessor Systems La 1.00 1.00 B 3.00 L 01/10-05/03
00:47.35ShirikCS 222 01DB Intro to Discrete Structu 3.00 3.00 B 9.00 L 01/10-05/03
00:47.46ShirikToo bad I get to go back to class in 5 days >.>
00:48.25TC-Workingheh, i cant wait to go back to school
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00:53.46Shirikanyway, food
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01:10.28batrickyou would think class names would be in GlobalStrings.lua : /
01:10.39Shirik|Foodingare they not?
01:10.48batrickwell I couldn't find "Mage"
01:10.56Shirik|Foodingwell doesn't matter too too much...
01:11.15batrickhow would you check if the player is a Mage O.o
01:11.16Shirik|FoodingUnitClass() returns a de-localized version of the class along with the localized one
01:11.24batrick<PROTECTED>
01:11.30Shirik|Foodingno
01:11.33batrick?
01:11.39zenzelezzreturns two values
01:11.42zenzelezzlocalized, English
01:11.47zenzelezzcheck the wiki
01:11.56batrickah
01:12.02Shirik|Foodinglocal _, lclass = UnitClass("player"); if (lclass == "MAGE") then ...
01:12.14batrickisee
01:12.18batrickthanks !
01:18.56Wobinif select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "MAGE"
01:19.26WobinAlthough with two arguments, I'm not sure if there's much saving
01:21.14batricki didn't know about that function >.>
01:21.16batrickpretty cool
01:21.22Shirik|Foodingmmmm
01:21.25Shirik|Foodingtake that with a grain of salt
01:21.34Shirik|Foodingselect() does not return the element you specify
01:21.45Shirik|Foodingit returns it along with all elements after that
01:22.09Shirik|Foodingfunction get2(...) return select(2, ...); end get2(1,2,3,4,5)
01:22.13Shirik|Foodingwill return 2,3,4,5
01:23.05Wobinstill, a comparison will compare the first argument
01:23.13Shirik|Foodingyes, that case would work
01:23.20Shirik|Foodingjust trying to make sure batrick fully understands what it does
01:23.37Wobinyeah. that functionality threw me for a loop the first time I tried to be tricky about it
01:25.08batrickok
01:25.11batrickthanks shirik
01:26.12Shirik|Foodingseriously going to go eat now
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01:28.50batrickany way to get the names of spells for any locale? Like if I want to bind a teleport spell to a secure action button for any locale
01:31.49JoshBorkeif you know the texture of the spell, scan the spellbook for the texture then save the corresponding name?
01:32.06Corrodiaswe finally downed the maiden!
01:32.09Corrodiason like our 8th attempt
01:32.12JoshBorkeCorrodias: woot!  grats!
01:32.17Corrodias3 people left, approximately 0 mana on anyone
01:32.36CorrodiasTAKE THAT YOU TITAN WHORE >:o
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01:38.30KarrionCorrodias: grats! any phat lewts? >.>
01:42.54ckknightCorrodias: indoor voice
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01:58.41Shirikok question, because this is really bothering me
01:58.54Shirikthe chat window has an edit box-ish thing
01:58.56Shirikthat you type stuff into
01:59.07Shirikhitting enter calls a function which processes that stuff, yes?
01:59.19WobinI believe so
01:59.31ShirikSo what's stopping a function from, say, calling that function directly
01:59.51ShirikI'm not trying to recreate a decursive or whatever I'm just poking holes because I like to
01:59.56Shiriksorry
02:00.00Wobintainting?
02:00.01Shirikwhat's stopping an addon* from
02:00.07Shirikhm
02:00.10cladhairetaint
02:00.16cladhairekeyboard input is not tainted
02:00.18Shirikyeah I guess that would taint it
02:00.23Shirikthanks :)
02:00.44Wobinthe more I look at the word the more the verb form looks weird =)
02:02.42pastamancer<PROTECTED>
02:04.07zenzelezzgrammar cat is amused
02:04.09Shirikverb...ing?
02:04.37Shirikwtb native regex support in Lua :(
02:05.22pastamancerhere's an even better one for you Shirik: "Verbogeny is one of the pleasurettes of a creatific thinkerizer."
02:05.35Shirikok what's that mean in english?
02:05.54pastamancerwordplay is fun for creative types
02:06.59Wobinwhere should I go to gorge myself on massive amounts of mithril?
02:07.15Shiriklol, googled that: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/browse_thread/thread/70378ee9b43e74f2/18171071216e6b49
02:07.35pastamanceryes, Peter da Silva
02:07.47pastamancerASR is a nice place
02:08.23ShirikI've strayed away from usenet lately :(
02:08.36Bleeterthis is weird, on PTR neither the Main Menu or Help buttons work for me
02:08.44Shirikforums and irc have taken over my soul
02:08.57Bleeternor does the ESC key :/
02:09.18ShirikBleeter: Pressing alt+f4 will make all the errors go away
02:09.22pastamancerASR and AFP are they only groups worth reading these days
02:09.41BleeterShirik: you reckon?
02:09.46Shirik^^
02:09.50Bleeter*F4
02:09.51Bleeternope
02:09.54Bleeternuffin
02:09.57Bleeterthat's broken too :P
02:10.11Shirikbleh
02:10.30Shirikwine doesn't pick that up as quit?
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02:10.51BleeterShirik: the WM bindings get precedence here
02:11.19Bleeterand I have ALT+F4 popping up a little window saying 'THIS AINT WINDOWS NOOB!' ;)
02:11.46Shirikwoot
02:11.49ShirikI won a free hamburger
02:11.57BleeterI'm *more* concerned at the lak of main menu/help/escape working
02:12.00Bleeterlack
02:14.48Bleeterok, it works if I remove the copied interface UI mods... so at least it's not the game :)
02:15.28Shirikwhat's IDNTTWMWYTIM?
02:16.01KarrionI do not think that word means what you think it means
02:16.12Wobin><
02:16.33ShirikI don't know what it means at all ><
02:16.36Shirikoh....
02:16.37Karrionhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/
02:16.42Shirikthanks ><
02:16.46Wobinhehe =)
02:17.15JoshBorkejust dropped for me: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31326#z0z
02:17.32Wobinz0Z
02:17.34zenzelezzgrats
02:17.39Shirikhotness
02:17.40Wobinnice
02:17.54Shirikwtb :(
02:17.59Wobin<3 wowhead
02:18.05WobinIntelligent comments ftw
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02:23.34JoshBorkenow if only belt of ruination wolud drop for me
02:25.11WobinYou want to be ruinated? =\
02:25.30JoshBorkei want to do teh ruination
02:26.48JoshBorkeso i need the POWA!
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02:31.38Industrialdid eu login just drop?
02:31.46Industrialnm
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02:40.52IndustrialMakin money :D http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/5764/wowscrnshot050407043902st0.jpg
02:45.35Terrifionwhere is Sound\\Spells\\FluteRun.wav
02:46.04Shirikas in which mpq?
02:46.34Terrifionaye
02:46.40Shirikif I had to guess
02:46.54Shirikhm, well it's not a localized sound
02:47.00Shirikso probably not locale-enUS.mpq
02:47.24Shirikor speech-enUS.mpq
02:47.27Shirikperhaps patch.mpq
02:48.04Terrifionnot in patch but I found a new sound to use anyway
02:48.08Terrifionit was just annoying and wanted to change it
02:49.53hugoi want some more screenshots im bored ;d
02:50.10Terrifionss's of what
02:50.22hugodon't know
02:50.33Terrifionwe just downed gruul, you could see his dead, drooling corpse ;p
02:50.56hugook show me i compare with ours :>
02:50.59Terrifionkk sec
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02:52.45Terrifionhttp://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3506/wowscrnshot050307183605rj7.jpg
02:52.55Terrifionwell oops
02:52.58Terrifionthat one is just of our guild
02:52.59Terrifion><
02:53.28Terrifionhttp://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1797/wowscrnshot050307183641es7.jpg
02:53.50Terrifionfireworks are cause it was our first down :p
02:54.33hugoopeninnng :>
02:55.00hugoah earth golem was fighting too
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02:56.34Terrifionlol
02:56.53Terrifionjust summoned for the fireworks :o
02:57.10hugohehe
02:57.44hugoand a boar dancing in back always best
02:59.47hugohttp://narayah.net/gallery/1_16_04_07_8_54_16.jpg
02:59.51hugohere is ours
03:00.05hugonothing much left of the fat ele too :D
03:03.42kergothJoshBorke: loottracker bug(?), when you put something in the bank from the inventory, it drops the count by the amount removed from the inventory, but doesnt add it back from the counts from the bank, until you close and reopen the bank.
03:04.13JoshBorkeAH HA!
03:04.18JoshBorkethank you for how to reproduce that
03:04.26Shirikrofl
03:04.34JoshBorkei knew there was a bug with the bank
03:04.37Wobinsob
03:04.40JoshBorkebut didn't know how to reproduce it
03:04.42Wobinwhy am I getting 2 fps?
03:04.52JoshBorketoo much pr0n?
03:05.01ShirikWobin: Because your screen is refreshing approximately once every 0.5 sec
03:05.05WobinI wish
03:05.17Wobinomg, Shirik, that explains so much!
03:05.25Shiriknp :) glad to help
03:07.24JoshBorkeso uh, what fires when you put an item in the bank?
03:07.35JoshBorkei guess i have to check if the bank is open and scan the bank when i scan the bags?
03:07.41KirkburnMeep! Seen the new WoW visa card?
03:07.49Shirikwow visa card?
03:07.50Kirkburnhttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/visa/
03:07.52Kirkburnyarly
03:08.14kergothJoshBorke: heh, good question, thats why i had the "(?)" there, wasnt sure if there was an event :P
03:08.56JoshBorkechecking it now
03:09.04JoshBorkei'll have it fixed one way or the other tomorrow afternoon
03:09.17JoshBorkethank you SO much for figuring it out
03:11.01pastamancerKirkburn: getting db errors on wowwiki :(
03:11.17KirkburnWhat kind and where?
03:11.18KirkburnI assume you're logged out
03:11.30pastamancerhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Romulo_and_Julianne  function "SiteStatsUpdate::doUpdate". MySQL returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (localhost)".
03:11.35pastamanceryah, logged out
03:11.42hugonight
03:12.04KirkburnTry now
03:12.11KirkburnNight hugo
03:12.24pastamanceryay
03:12.56ShirikYeah there have been a lot of deadlocks on wowwiki lately...
03:13.07Shirikkinda annoying
03:13.47JoshBorkenn
03:15.10KirkburnAs lovely as that is to know, we have a #wowwiki channel for a reason ... so you can tell us
03:15.24ShirikI thought you guys knew :/
03:15.54KirkburnWe know they exist, but we need to know where they are to fix them
03:17.46pastamancerI'm in too many channels already :p
03:18.23KirkburnAnyway, all this will be a thing of the past once we move to wikia
03:18.52KirkburnA lot of new funky stuff will be coming :)
03:20.37kergothhttp://gallery.kergoth.com/wow/loottracker1?full=1 <3
03:21.04Shirikwikia?
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03:23.50KirkburnWikia, wikia has bought WoWWiki
03:24.00Shirikoh?
03:24.28wobinbought?
03:24.34KirkburnGenerally the same people as behind wikipedia
03:24.37KirkburnYes, bought
03:24.59wobinWhat's that mean to us?
03:25.05KirkburnNot a great deal
03:25.21KirkburnBetter server maintenance, and funkier wiki stuff, mainly
03:25.35KirkburnBehind the scenes not a great deal will change either
03:30.15KirkburnIt isn't/wasn't
03:30.16Temso....?
03:30.19Gryphenyou dont have to be a company to own something to sell
03:30.21Kirkburn^ exactly
03:30.21Kirkburnhttp://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page is a good example of a wikia wiki
03:30.22Temok, massive lol incoming
03:30.22Tema wow visa card
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03:30.31Temyou earn gametime with "qualifying purchaces"
03:30.34Temwhat that actually means is up for debate
03:31.20Tembecause "Complete details, including restrictions, limitations, and exclusions, will be available when you become a Cardmember."
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03:46.19Cairenn|afknight all
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03:55.01earthmeLonHey buddies
03:55.21ShadowedTem: Where did you see that?
03:58.18Temsee what?
03:58.38wobinwowvisa
03:58.42wobinI'd guess
03:59.10TemI was linked to it by the launcher
03:59.22Shadowedahh
04:02.21Shadowedwow
04:02.45ShadowedNo better way to show you're a geek then to get that
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04:04.52Shadowed1 point per 1$, 1,500 points is a month, so 50$ spent per a day?
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04:11.02Cairenn|afkhttp://www.notdoppler.com/theimpossiblequiz.php
04:14.53Shirikcairenn says good night
04:15.00Shirikthen 30 minutes later gives us some random link
04:17.59Shadowedof course
04:17.59Mr_Rabies2oh holy crap
04:17.59Mr_Rabies2http://www.wow-loot.com/gearguide.php
04:17.59Mr_Rabies2this is unbelievably awesome
04:19.21hasteI like their old static site better =\
04:19.40Mr_Rabies2this one lets you build a whole gearset by prioritizing items
04:20.04Mr_Rabies2er, stats
04:20.11hasteI still like their old version of the site better :)
04:20.15Mr_Rabies2based on your personal type of build
04:20.25Mr_Rabies2i don't, other than the buggyness in this one
04:21.07Mr_Rabies2their old site is still there, but i'm a big fan of this one
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04:55.24Terrifionokay
04:55.44TerrifionI don't really get wow wiki's coverage on this, all I want is a simple onload check to see if a variable is nil or not
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05:00.52JunkHead-WorkHello.
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05:05.51IrielTerrifion: Where does the variable come from?
05:06.25ShirikTerrifion: I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're asking
05:06.29Shirikbut.... var == nil ?
05:08.35IrielTerrifion: THe problem you're trying to solve is either a Lua problem (and thus not documented on the wiki, it's basic lua), or more complex than you make it out to be (involving perhaps saved variables, or variables from some other AddOn) in which case the answer to my question is important.
05:08.35IrielGiven you said 'OnLoad' I'm guessing the latter
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05:22.16Nom-heheh so geeky
05:22.16Nom-May the 4th be with you...
05:22.32Shiriklol
05:24.31Mr_Rabies2no. bad.
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05:56.21JunkHead-Workhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101710414&sid=1
05:56.31JunkHead-WorkLvl 10 Twink solo'ing Van Cleef.:P
05:59.46Shirikhe has over 100% dodge.
05:59.50ShirikThat's....
05:59.50Shirikwow.
06:00.45Mr_Rabies2that pretty much just broke my brain
06:00.51Shirikdear god that fight must have taken foever
06:01.38wobin...
06:02.50Thunder_Child14:31 sec movie
06:03.28Shirikand that's at
06:03.30Shiriklike 10x speed
06:04.16wobinIt's like... a two druid duel
06:04.21Thunder_Child1fight must have taken around an hour then?
06:05.15Thunder_Child1i didnt think anone could have a 100% dodge
06:05.32Thunder_Child1s/anone/anyone/
06:06.00Shirikit's probably an unanticipated side effect of the calculations
06:06.03Shiriksince it's weighted by level
06:06.28Thunder_Child1hmm..if anyone can get his name we can try looking him up on the armory
06:06.36Thunder_Child1and see what he has
06:06.38JunkHead-WorkComments say it took over 40 minutes.
06:06.45ShirikIT's Theotwink
06:06.50Shirikon Malgyos
06:06.54JunkHead-WorkThis is the 2nd time I've seen info on a 100% dodge lvl 10 twink.
06:06.54ShirikMalygos*
06:07.17Mr_Rabies2he posted the thread
06:07.19Mr_Rabies2\http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Malygos&n=Theotwink
06:07.39Thunder_Child1thanks
06:07.40Shirikl2notputa\infrontoftheurlsoIcantclickit
06:07.59Thunder_Child1nice, 105.95% dodge
06:08.08Thunder_Child1lol Shirik
06:08.11Thunder_Child1lazy bastard
06:08.17Shirikdamn right :P
06:09.00Shiriklol, his one point in opportunity
06:09.14Shirikshould have done lightning reflexes imo
06:09.22Thunder_Child1i know, i was just looking at that
06:09.33Thunder_Child1not that he needs it or anything
06:09.39Shirikheh
06:13.10MentalPower|ZZzzgnight guys
06:13.26Shiriknight
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06:38.54ShirikI'm seriously tempted to apply for that WoW visa lol
06:38.57Shirikit's sad
06:39.53ckknightWoW visa?
06:40.09Mr_Rabies2it's totally not worth it :x
06:40.35ShirikI don't have a credit card atm :P
06:40.39ShirikI have to get one eventually
06:40.43Shirikbut I probably won't
06:40.45Shirikjust tempted :P
06:40.50Mr_Rabies2you get like 1% of purchases in rewards
06:41.09ShadowedYou have to spend $1,500 to get a month, so around 50$ per a day
06:41.25Shiriksure, if you want to play for free
06:41.27ckknightyou should get like 1g for every $1 you spend
06:41.32Shiriklol
06:41.38Shirikthat would be nice :)\
06:41.56Mr_Rabies2other than wanting to get my credit score up, i don't really like the concept of having a credit card
06:42.05Shirikoh I completely agree
06:42.11ShirikI like the fact that I owe nobody anything
06:42.16Mr_Rabies2i like my debit card, it does a fantastic job at what i want to do
06:42.20Shirikexcept
06:42.31ShirikI can't get anything on loan (Car, whatever)
06:42.34Mr_Rabies2only problem is no way to increase my credit score
06:42.35Mr_Rabies2yeah
06:42.45Mr_Rabies2so dumb
06:43.01nymbiajust get a credit card and spend a dollar on it each month
06:43.21Shirikbuy a soda :D
06:43.34nymbiaas long as you pay off your soda on time..
06:43.42Shiriklol
06:43.46Shirikforget about it for a year
06:43.50Shirikit becomes a $100 soda
06:44.02nymbiadoesnt help your credit score that way either ;)
06:44.19Shiriknah that would probably put it in the negative
06:44.28Mr_Rabies2such a flawed system
06:44.38Shirikyou ask for a loan they ask "wtf is wrong with you you couldn't pay off a soda"
06:44.55Shirik"It was during a painful period of my life, always thirsty"
06:46.09Mr_Rabies2i once bought a bottle of surge after they canceled it from an old vending machine
06:46.15Mr_Rabies2turns out it was like 2 years out of date
06:46.37Shirik...
06:46.45Mr_Rabies2but i still drank it because i loved surge, it was like syrup with the sugar recrystallizing inside the bottle :[
06:46.54Mr_Rabies2i regret this decision
06:47.24Mr_Rabies2totally and utterly decarbonated
06:47.54Shiriklol
06:47.58Shirikwow..
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06:49.47Mr_Rabies2it was at like some kind of kinda-fleamarket sorta thing
06:49.54Mr_Rabies2i got some return of the jedi comics from 1983
06:49.57Mr_Rabies2;]
06:50.18Mr_Rabies2oh, and A New Hope in vinyl
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06:52.22Mr_Rabies2new ptr patch today
06:52.33Mr_Rabies2no signs of any kind of changes on WoR
06:55.23ShirikWoR?
06:55.32Shadowedworldofraids
06:55.37Shirikwhassat?
06:56.13Shadoweda really really slow resource site #341
06:56.20Shirikheh
06:59.16ShadowedGot to love site comments about the visa card
06:59.16Shadowed"even if it's just a few days here and there...but I have a wedding coming up so i could get about 3-4 months out of this...
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07:00.10Shirikeh, if I got it, it would just be for the design
07:00.19ShirikI never factor "rewards" into any of my decisions because I rarely use them anyway
07:00.43Mr_Rabies2can't you get them custom made?
07:01.09Shadowedthey have 13 different graphics
07:01.48Mr_Rabies2i know, but i was under the impression that you could get cards with custom designs fairly easily
07:11.14JunkHead-WorkI already have a credit card.
07:11.18JunkHead-WorkI barely use it.
07:11.28JunkHead-WorkA WoW card is kinda useless to me.
07:11.42WobinWhere do you live?
07:11.50JunkHead-WorkMe?
07:11.52JunkHead-WorkIn the US.
07:12.07WobinHow can you survive in the US without using plastic? =)
07:12.24JunkHead-WorkThe only plastic I use regularly is my Check card from my bank.
07:12.35JunkHead-WorkIt's quite easy to survive without a credit card.
07:13.20Mr_Rabies2i use my debit card almost exclusively :x
07:13.28WobinI dunno, the designs are pretty ... boring
07:13.35Wobinnot to mention geeky
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07:13.49JunkHead-WorkMr_Rabies2 - I'm too lazy to balance a check book.:P
07:14.10Mr_Rabies2i carry at most like 50 bucks on me, all the rest is debit card
07:14.10JunkHead-WorkYou carry 50 bucks?
07:14.11Mr_Rabies2at most
07:14.11JunkHead-WorkJeez.. I carry like... 10.
07:14.14WobinIf they could come up with a design that didn't immediately scream "OMG This Person Plays those ONLINE GAMES", it might work
07:14.20JunkHead-WorkUsually about 3-5 bucks.
07:14.29WobinI have never used a cheque
07:14.30Mr_Rabies2well, 10's not enough for some places that are cash only
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07:14.55Mr_Rabies2nor i
07:15.11Mr_Rabies2i hate checks, screw checkbooks
07:15.21Mr_Rabies2not to mention they're getting harder and harder to use places
07:15.29JunkHead-WorkWell, where I live, it's pretty cheap.
07:15.44JunkHead-WorkIf I'm hungry, I can just go to a fast food place and eat for 5 bucks.
07:16.15Mr_Rabies2same, but at the mall there's this thai place with some good food that only accepts cash, and it's usually 6-8 bucks depending on what i want
07:16.32Mr_Rabies2and i don't like only having that little bit of cash if i need it for something :x
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07:20.55JunkHead-WorkOh in other news, My Guild Leader finally got Attuned to Kara tonight.
07:21.06JunkHead-WorkSo for once, our planned Kara run might actually happen.
07:21.37JunkHead-WorkNow all we have to worry about is the right classes being ready.
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07:46.24TemARG
07:46.30TemI _hate_ the telredor lift
07:46.47TemI ALWAYS fall off because I'm impatient and try to run onto it before it's fully docked
07:47.03hastenot more then I hate the fact that you can't use flying mounts in thunber bluff
07:47.18hastewonder how many times I've jumped off the cliff there...
07:47.42Mr_Rabies2i just jump off the shroom and flight form before i squash
07:47.57Temwell I'm not 70 yt
07:48.02Tems/yt/yet/
07:48.08hastehehe
07:48.11Temnot that being 70 would mean I'd have a flyer anyway
07:48.18hasteIt sucks to play alts when you have been 70 for a while
07:48.21TemI'll never get 1k gold
07:48.29hasteat least if you play with Cedega, since it doesn't cache.. at all
07:48.36hasteso loading your mount takes a while
07:49.55Temlol
07:53.47hasteand why are the touhou games so insanly hard :(
07:53.55hasteI can't even beat the first level on easy mode
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08:17.08Wobintouhou?
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08:22.07hasteWobin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touhou_Project
08:23.19JunkHead-WorkIn case anyone is bored, www.solidworkspilot.com
08:25.34hasteI have enough trying to master the bullet patterns right now :(
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08:26.31ComicSansMSgreetings everyone! :)
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08:28.12JunkHead-Workhttp://www.miniclip.com/games/silversphere/en/
08:28.16JunkHead-WorkAnother little game.
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08:47.45KasoAnyone have an item with a comma in the name?
08:48.35KasoHunters with that bow from Shadowmoon valley perhaps?
08:50.09Punkie`What about TF?
08:50.36Punkie`or sulfurus
08:50.50Punkie`-u +a
08:51.21KasoYah those will do, do you have them?
08:51.56Punkie`I have sulfuras
08:52.27Punkie`but I can't really log on atm, at work :)
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09:05.34BleeterCairenn|afk: fyi, pidgin 2.0.0 final is now out. our website's had a major brainfart, but you can grab the win32 binaries from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235&package_id=230234
09:05.48Bleeterfor Unix users, no prebuilt binaries available yet. Use the sauce!
09:11.24Mr_Rabies2the UI get ahold of the new debuff timers, correct?
09:11.24Mr_Rabies2er can get ahold
09:11.24Mr_Rabies2as in you can write an addon to use them, you don't have to use blizzards? :O
09:11.36KasoYah
09:11.42Kasoits a new return to UnitBuff()
09:12.39Mr_Rabies2woo, nice
09:12.55Kasoonly returns timer infomation for your buffs though remeber
09:12.57Kasowhich is a shame imo
09:12.58Mr_Rabies2the necb guy said something about them, but i wasn't really sure exactly to what extent
09:13.09Mr_Rabies2friendly buffs and all debuffs
09:13.14Mr_Rabies2too :O
09:13.38Mr_Rabies2i was glad i could time maim more easily
09:13.55Mr_Rabies2but i dislike the icon cooldowny thing they used
09:14.04Mr_Rabies2so NECB better make up for it with its nifty bars
09:17.19Mr_Rabies2but i'll be glad if the NECB guy exclusively uses that now, because that's a ton more accurate than being like, "well, there SHOULD be about this much time after diminishing returns"
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10:26.56Mr_Rabies2mannn, bartender and ag_uf are so nice but they're both missing key things i'd like in the options :[
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10:48.40Kirkburn|afkMr_Rabies2, Pitbull?
10:48.51Kirkburn|afk(to replace agUF)
10:49.04Mr_Rabies2that depends on if i can use druidbar with it
10:49.40Mr_Rabies2and also possibly a link
10:49.49Mr_Rabies2because i can't find it :x
10:49.53Kirkburn|afkOn Ace
10:50.34Kirkburn|afkhttp://rowne.wowace.com/wiki/PitBull
10:51.07Mr_Rabies2no screens :/
10:51.44Mr_Rabies2really, all i'd like would be dbar support for agUF, other than that i love it
10:52.03Mr_Rabies2and maybe not having the castbar area of the frame always visible
10:53.53Mr_Rabies2oh well, back to blizzard defaults
10:54.20[Ammo]pitbull per default looks like aguf per default
10:54.32[Ammo]but has druidbar thingy supported
10:54.42[Ammo]as in included
10:55.32Mr_Rabies2is it command line only config?
10:56.08Mr_Rabies2or can i config it through fubar or otherwise?
10:56.19[Ammo]it has a fubar plugin embedded
10:56.27[Ammo]basically configuration is similar to aguf
10:56.29Mr_Rabies2okay, i'll messwith it then
10:56.47[Ammo]you can either ctrl-rightlick for a per unitframe menu or use the fubar plugin
10:57.18Mr_Rabies2bartender doesnt have enough options for no mana/oor coloring
10:57.40[Ammo]oh? red oor, blue oom
10:57.47Mr_Rabies2i'm nitpicky :p
10:58.20Mr_Rabies2i'd like black oom, slightly less colorful red
10:58.38Mr_Rabies2a color picker would be nice :p
10:59.12[Ammo]make a feature request on the forums
10:59.27[Ammo]shouldn't be a hard change
10:59.38Mr_Rabies2and oor/oom are linked
10:59.45JunkHead-WorkI tried out pitbull for the first time yesterday.
10:59.48Mr_Rabies2no way to just enable one or the other
10:59.54JunkHead-WorkI like it but something confused me.
11:00.00[Ammo]again, featurerequest on forum
11:00.09JunkHead-WorkAt first my frame was semi-transparent.
11:00.19JunkHead-WorkI fixed it by playing with the rangechecker settings.
11:00.19[Ammo]you downloaded combatfader too didn't you junkhead
11:00.23JunkHead-WorkYeah.
11:00.26[Ammo]combatfader is bugged
11:00.34Mr_Rabies2erm
11:01.05JunkHead-WorkThen I got in a group, and  my group member's frame was semi-transparent.:(
11:01.09Mr_Rabies2okay got it, luckily an ace mirror is up
11:01.16JunkHead-WorkSo I guess I will just get rid of combatfader?
11:01.21[Ammo]yeah get rid of it for now
11:01.23[Ammo]BarFader works fine
11:01.24Mr_Rabies2so i can be lazy and update till the main one fixes itself
11:01.30JunkHead-WorkOk thank you.
11:01.45[Ammo]barfader = smooth chunk fading from health and mana
11:01.55JunkHead-WorkI don't like that though.:\
11:02.08[Ammo]then don't get that :p
11:02.10JunkHead-WorkI prefer hp/mp to just disappear rather than fade.
11:02.14JunkHead-WorkI won't.:P
11:02.25JunkHead-WorkI'm glad you told me what it does specifically though.
11:11.50Mr_Rabies2i'm so nitpicky :[
11:12.06zenzelezznothing wrong about that
11:12.49Mr_Rabies2i'd like an ability to hide health text until i mouseover that (area of the, if possible) frame
11:14.26Mr_Rabies2i really really like pitbull otherwise
11:17.22clad|sleepMr_Rabies: that could probably be added as a dogtag modifier.
11:17.40JunkHead-WorkI need to work with it some more. Mainly on placement, and location/number of buffs/debuffs.
11:17.51Mr_Rabies2a whosawha
11:18.10clad|sleepMr_Rabies: suggest it to ckknight, as a new dogtag
11:18.14clad|sleephe'll know what you mean
11:18.19clad|sleepits one of those [maxhp] things you put it
11:18.22clad|sleepexcept
11:18.23Mr_Rabies2ohhh
11:18.27clad|sleep[maxhp:showonmouseover()]
11:19.01ckknightoh dang that's complicated.
11:19.13clad|sleephehe
11:19.18ckknightnot sure that really fits into the current scheme...
11:19.22ckknighthrm
11:19.27clad|sleepjust a suggestion =)
11:19.32JunkHead-WorkKick it.
11:19.33clad|sleepmakes things a bit more flexible
11:19.34JunkHead-WorkIt'll fit.
11:20.43Mr_Rabies2currently i use archaeologist to handle my blizzard unit frames
11:21.19Mr_Rabies2and it has the option to show the actual text always and show percentage to the right of the frame on mouseover and stuff, or both on mouseover, or any combo of the two
11:21.41Mr_Rabies2an option for that type of thing would be nothing short of jawesome
11:25.05ckknightactually, it's possible now that I think about it...
11:26.11clad|workptfo
11:27.47Mr_Rabies2sigh, i wish i weren't useless at lua
11:27.55Mr_Rabies2i'd have my own kickass UI :p
11:27.57ckknightptfo?
11:28.05ckknightsure you would ;-)
11:28.09ckknight:-P
11:28.23Mr_Rabies2tailored specificially to my needs :x
11:28.39Mr_Rabies2except when people obfuscate code :argh:
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11:29.02Mr_Rabies2and by my own kickass UI i mean modifying everyone elses' to do my bidding as best as i could
11:30.32Mr_Rabies2so far i'm in love with pitbull though, despite my criticisms, these are minor for me :p
11:31.30ckknightI'm working on your damn mouseover thing
11:35.08ckknight:-P
11:38.12Mr_Rabies2hahaha
11:38.26Mr_Rabies2no hurry man, it's just me nitpicking like i love to do :p
11:38.58Mr_Rabies2don't think of anything i say as a request or requirement or anything, just a suggestion if and when you feel like it
11:41.15Mr_Rabies2how does it get health for enemies? does it use mobinfo, or its own thing?
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11:44.07Mr_Rabies2i'm also not apparently getting the spark for some reason or another, but no biggie
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11:44.50Mr_Rabies2it could be energywatch2, which is hacked together from like authors over the course of 2 years of it constantly breaking
11:45.07Mr_Rabies2er, like 5 authors
11:45.37zenzelezzwhat spark?
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11:46.06Mr_Rabies2yep, getting it noe
11:46.08Mr_Rabies2now*
11:46.16Mr_Rabies2the energy/mana spark
11:47.05zenzelezzstill don't think I understand... but I've mostly played a warrior
11:47.36foxlitmana and energy regen in 2s ticks
11:47.45foxlitKnowing when those ticks occur can be beneficial
11:47.56zenzelezzaha
11:48.00Mr_Rabies2yeah
11:48.03Mr_Rabies2well, about 2 seconds
11:48.17Mr_Rabies2it's supposed to be every 2, but it's hardly reliable to predict
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12:11.00JoshBorkehrm, any wowi admins awake?
12:11.05JoshBorkeif so: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794
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12:29.14Mr_Rabies2click the /!\ too
12:29.29Mr_Rabies2hopefully between the two of those, it'll get removed fairly quickly
12:33.20ckknightokay, Mr_Rabies2
12:33.40Mr_Rabies2? :O
12:33.43ckknightdone the mouseover thing
12:33.48ckknightadded a new tag ismouseover
12:33.57Mr_Rabies2i love you
12:34.07ckknightalso made it much more efficient overall
12:34.47ckknightso basically, you'd do something like [ismouseover?name]
12:34.50Mr_Rabies2so for example, could i show absolute until mouseover, then absolute and percentage when moused over?
12:35.28ckknight[fractionalhp] [ismouseover?percenthp:percent]
12:35.31ckknightor so
12:35.37Mr_Rabies2nice
12:36.12nevcairieldoes that ? syntax support trinary ?
12:36.14Mr_Rabies2gonna finish setting this up and then i'll get the new version, if it's on the ace mirror i'm using yet
12:36.22Mr_Rabies2since the main one is upchucking atm
12:36.23ckknightyes, nevcairiel
12:36.37ckknight[ismouseover?text(pants)!text(no pants)]
12:36.40nevcairielah
12:36.43nevcairielcool
12:36.50Vangualis it possible with dogtag to only display something if another (previous) part is not hidden?
12:37.03ckknightVangual: the sequences are completely separate.
12:37.13nevcairieluse the same condition twice
12:37.55Kirkburn|afkI want to see how much longer this page stays like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology
12:38.03Kirkburn|afkNoo
12:38.13Kirkburn|afknvm, someone vandalised it
12:38.19ckknight?
12:38.33Kirkburn|afkFor an hour it said "lolz u people r wack"
12:38.47Mr_Rabies2hahahahaha
12:38.49Kirkburn|afkNo, wait, "lolls u ppl r wack"
12:39.07Mr_Rabies2truer words never spoken by dummies
12:39.18Vangualproblem is, it's a seperator i'm trying to hide, and giving it a similar hide function (hidegreater) makes no sense since it's no number
12:41.00Vangualunless there's some :concatifshown function i could add to the previous value
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13:06.50Mr_Rabieshow's it look? http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot050407085838ro6.jpg :O
13:07.23foxlitHm, interesting
13:07.43foxlitIs that light effect on healthbar textures just hardcoded into the texture?
13:09.33sysragehttp://sysrage.net/wow/AgosUI.jpg
13:11.42foxlitI need a proper actionbar system, though
13:12.03foxlitRealistically, only 1-6 are used with any frequency
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13:12.40sysragewhat would make an actionbar 'proper' ?
13:15.16foxlitIt should return to some default state on shapeshifts
13:15.44foxlitShifting into bear should get you the bear bar, no matter which bar you were in to start with
13:16.15foxlit(blizzard's bars fail horribly here - if you weren't at bar 1, it's not going to shift to shapeshift-specific bar)
13:16.22sysrageoh. mages don't have to worry about that ;)
13:16.51foxlitDon't think mages have to bother much with switching actionbars in combat at all.
13:17.10sysragenope
13:17.23foxlitAnd as I was typing that, four (!) undead rogues appeared behind me and stunlocked me to death.
13:17.27sysragelol
13:17.34sysragei hate rogues
13:17.51foxlitAt least you can blink and hope sprint isn't up and they didn't land poison :)
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13:19.45foxlitfs, what kind of battleground is this?
13:19.49foxlit5 warlocks, 7 rogues
13:28.29ckknightVangual: not sure what you're trying to accomplish
13:29.13Vangualckknight: basically a manatext: "-1000 / 9999" that turns into "9999" at full mana
13:29.48Vangualbut i'm unsure how i would hide the / seperator at full mana
13:30.06ckknight[missingmana:negate:hidezero:append( / )][maxmana]
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13:30.13ckknightor so
13:30.27ckknightactually [missingmana:hidezero:negate:append( / )][maxmana]
13:30.30Vangualahh, perfect. i overlooked that append function
13:30.38Vangualthanks
13:41.09Mr_Rabies2so ckknight, can i make it show stuff when i'm NOT moused over that disappears when i mouseover?
13:41.20ckknightyea
13:41.21Mr_Rabies2like, say i want the absolute hp to change to a percent when i mouseover
13:41.37ckknight[ismouseover?percenthp:percent!fractionalhp]
13:41.55Mr_Rabies2nice, thanks
13:41.59ckknightor [~ismouseover?fractionalhp!percenthp:percent]
13:42.03ckknightwhatever you prefer
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13:46.40Mr_Rabies2and what if i want it to display nothing when not moused over? [ismouseover?percenthp:percent!] ?
13:46.46Mr_Rabies2or can i?
13:47.02ckknightjust forget the !
13:47.10ckknight[ismouseover?percenthp:percent]
13:47.43Mr_Rabies2oh okay
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14:11.08nevcairieldoes anyone know if Alchemist Stone affects Dreamless Sleep Potions?
14:11.30Kasodoes in 2.1 i believe
14:11.56Kaso*The "Alchemist's Stone" bonus now works on potions that restore both
14:11.56Kasohealth and mana.
14:12.03nevcairielah
14:12.18nevcairieli wish i would just discover major rejuv :P
14:12.22nevcairieleh
14:12.24nevcairielsuper rejuv
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15:21.37Legorolosomeone familiar with raid unit IDs?
15:22.03LegoroloAm I right that raidX on one client may not refer to the same raid member as raidX on another client?
15:22.11Legorolo(both being in the same raid)
15:22.18zenzelezzthink that's what I've heard
15:22.31zenzelezzand I do know your raid list may differ from others visually at least
15:22.35Legoroloi know that raidN, where N=GetNumRaidMembers() always refers to "player"
15:22.42zenzelezzhad plenty of the /roll 1-40 AMG I WAS 24 ON MY SCREEN
15:22.50Legoroloyeah i know that one too
15:22.58Legorolowe have a convention in my guild that it's the ML's screen that counts
15:23.11zenzelezzanything else makes no sense
15:23.25Legoroloi'm just wondering what else is known about raid ids mapping to members
15:23.47Legoroloapart from raid1 (which is usually the RL) and raidN, the rest totally random?
15:24.16cogwheel|worki think it's sequential based on when they join
15:24.43Legorolocan we try a simple 3-person example?
15:24.50cogwheel|workemphasis on "think"
15:24.51Legorololet's say A, B and C join a raid, in that order (A invites)
15:24.53Legorolook
15:25.17Legoroloso most likely then, on A's client, raid1=B, raid2=C, raid3=A
15:25.27LegoroloB's client: raid1=A, raid2=C, raid3=B
15:25.36LegoroloC's client: raid1=A, raid2=B, raid3=C
15:25.41Legorolodo you think that's correct?
15:25.47Legorolo(i know we can't verify it right now)
15:25.54Legoroloi'm not near WoW either
15:25.55cogwheel|workthat's what I would assume, but I couldn't say for certain
15:26.04Legorolothat's enough for me, thanks
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15:26.14cogwheel|work/target Cide /cast Ritual of Summoning
15:26.20Legorolohehe he left not too long ago
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15:27.29Legorolooops i left accidentally
15:28.40zenzelezzoh ffs... either something's up with my HDD/filesystem causing some file corruption, or this file is already corrupted
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15:29.37zenzelezzfirst time I've had "make clean" error
15:30.40zenzelezzI should just format and reinstall, need one anyway \o/
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15:34.30nevcairielHm, someone who can update the WDN is sleeping again :D
15:35.33cogwheel|worksomeone = beladona
15:35.41cogwheel|work:P
15:35.49nevcairielso beladona is sleeping again :)
15:36.12nevcairielwonder why someone reported that as of today some addons break
15:36.35nevcairielon ptr
15:38.52cogwheel|workmaybe just logged on for the 1st time since last patch? or PEBKAC
15:39.04nevcairieljust patching right now
15:39.09nevcairieland going to see on my own :)
15:39.37cogwheel|workO.o
15:39.40cogwheel|workanother one huh?
15:39.45nevcairielyea
15:39.55nevcairiel6641
15:40.06nevcairielsupposed to be a itemization patch
15:41.12cogwheel|workhehe... 6.66 MB
15:41.22nevcairielmine is bigger
15:41.25nevcairielstupid euro locale
15:41.46nevcairielaltho i like that it automagically patches all my installed locale packages
15:41.48cogwheel|workdoes yours have multiple locales?
15:41.50nevcairielfor addon testing et al
15:42.13nevcairieli play on enGB
15:42.20nevcairielbut i do have the deDE language pack installed
15:42.25nevcairieland it gets automagically patched
15:42.29nevcairielwith the enGB patches
15:43.02cogwheel|work6624 was released on 4/24 right?
15:43.02nevcairielthere are just some times, when a guild mate of mine complains about some addon bug again, and i have to check if its an issue with locale again
15:43.07cogwheel|work(or 24/4 to you :P )
15:43.16nevcairieltoday
15:43.17nevcairielright
15:43.31zenzelezzwe may be Euro, but we're smart enough to figure you didn't mean the 24th month
15:43.37nevcairiellol
15:43.38cogwheel|work><
15:43.50cogwheel|workyou guys don't get a pi day though :P
15:44.01nevcairieli prefer yyyy/mm/dd
15:44.06nevcairielmakes sorting by date so much easier
15:44.17cogwheel|workagreed
15:44.17Legorolo6641 came yesterday
15:44.20Legorolominimal UI changes
15:44.25Mr_Rabies2i prefer yd/my/dy/ym personally
15:44.36zenzelezzI'm violently dd.mm.yyyy, just because I grew up with it
15:44.48nevcairieloh well then pretty late yesterday
15:44.50Legorolobtw, the EU patches are always bigger, because they contain all locale data for enGB, deDE and frFr
15:44.51nevcairieli didnt get it earlier
15:45.07Legorolonevcairiel: in the early afternoon, GMT
15:45.12nevcairielmm
15:45.22Legorolowhen i logged in at around 4 or 5pm GMT, i got it
15:45.23nevcairieloh well, i though i loged on ptr later
15:45.25nevcairielwhat ever :)
15:45.26Mr_Rabies220/00/40/75
15:45.48Legorolo~lart Mr_Rabies2
15:45.48purloffers Mr_Rabies2 some herring
15:45.50nevcairiel6624 was yesterday too, or?
15:45.53Legorolonope
15:45.56Legorolothat was a while ago
15:46.00Mr_Rabies26641?
15:46.02Mr_Rabies2i think?
15:46.03nevcairielah no
15:46.08Legorolo6641 was yesterday
15:46.29nevcairiel6624 was at the start of the week sometime
15:46.32nevcairielor the middle
15:46.34nevcairielor so
15:46.59nevcairiel6607 was on 4/24 like cogwheel|work said
15:47.09cogwheel|work6624 was some time between apr 26 & may 1
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16:18.21KaydeethreeI've got 6692 as Apr 18, 6607 as Apr 25, 6624 As Apr 30 and 6641 as may 3
16:19.30cogwheel|worka peacock just went wandering through the vineyard here... O.O
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16:30.43cogwheel|workungh... google started calling its personalized home page iGoogle...
16:31.48ElkanoiCame?
16:31.56AnduinLothariSaw
16:32.00ThraeThe 'i' stands for 'individual' and 'internet'.
16:32.06cogwheel|workiBoughtthetshirt
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16:32.50cogwheel|workbut iTdidntfit
16:34.39AnduinLotharno, fai
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16:37.32Elkanowrt T-shirts: http://www.3dsupply.de/3d/img/produkte/00001923.jpg ^^
16:38.56Kaydeethreeis it bad that I saw "wet" instead of "wrt"?
16:39.07cogwheel|workonly if you clicked
16:40.22ShirikKaydeethree: I saw the same ><
16:40.30ElkanoKaydeethree, it only points out that your brain uses some kind of microsoft spellchecker ;)
16:40.36Shirikrofl
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16:41.13cogwheel|workhmm... i wonder if it has anything to do with QWERTY...
16:41.28cogwheel|workI use dvorak so E & R are on opposite sides of the kb :P
16:42.08Elkanowell, I'm still stuck to QWERTZ
16:42.21KaydeethreeI could never get used to dvorak, my muscles have been wired for qwerty for so long I fear how long it'd take me to reprogram myself
16:42.41Shirik.... why
16:42.45Shirikwhy.
16:43.24Kaydeethreeeither the fact that I'm lazy or memories of the time I tried to use dvorak before
16:43.29ElkanoI don't even know the dvorak layout... which country is that? russia?
16:43.30Shirikno
16:43.34ShirikWhy cogwheel|work ><
16:43.43ShirikHe lives in the US irrc..
16:43.44Shirikiirc*
16:43.58cogwheel|workdvorak is us
16:44.05cogwheel|workit's just not qwerty
16:44.09Shirikyeh
16:44.22Shirikjust curious, why you use it?
16:44.31cogwheel|work'cause i'm a geek
16:44.46ShirikI'd like to think I am too ><
16:44.52Shirikbut I still use a qwerty keyboard
16:45.10cogwheel|workI used it for a while in high school but stopped for no apparent reason
16:45.23Kaydeethreemeh, I just freak out the non-touch-typists who use my keyboard, all of the letters have worn off
16:45.23cogwheel|workthen I used it again later on but stopped when I got a job where they wouldn't let me
16:45.51cogwheel|workThen when I got this job, I accidentally entered Dvorak mode (ctrl-shift switches methods in windows) so I started again
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16:46.34cogwheel|workit also turns out it's a pretty nifty security feature if you keep the keys in the qwerty locations :P
16:47.17Shirikrofl
16:47.41ShirikKaydeethree: Yeah all my letters have worn off too
16:47.56JoshBorkecogwheel|work: dvorak ftw :-D
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16:50.26Elkanooh, so dvorak is basicaly for one handed people? cogwheel, stop fapping that much while chatting ;)
16:50.44sioraiochtfapping?!
16:50.50cogwheel|workno... there are one-handed dvorak layouts, but the default one is two-handed
16:51.02cogwheel|workand I don't generally fap at work, btw...
16:52.25cogwheel|workin fact, the plain old dvorak layout is specifically suited to alternate hands as much as possible. All of the vowels are in the home row of the left hand and the common consonants are around the home row of the right hand
16:52.38cogwheel|workit makes for some interesting typos...
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17:43.51cogwheel|workdoot doot doodle oodle oot doot doo doo
17:44.00Mr_Rabies2i concur
17:44.04Shiriko.o
17:44.09cogwheel|workname that tune...
17:44.33Mr_Rabies2it's pretty hard without note lengths assigned
17:44.46Gnarfozand tone height and all
17:44.57Mr_Rabies2especially because i'm listening to this new crappy linkin park cd
17:45.00cogwheel|work(someone has gotten this before on my realm forum...)
17:45.09Mr_Rabies2it's thrown off my sense of rhythm
17:45.17GnarfozMr_Rabies: is a non-fake one around now? :D
17:45.19wereHamster.'``-.. ?
17:45.29Mr_Rabies2yes, and it's pretty bad
17:45.37Mr_Rabies2better than their last one but that's not saying much
17:45.45Shirikomg
17:45.47Shirikit's that
17:45.50Shirikcircus music thing
17:45.52Gnarfozdon't like em anyway, but got a friend I gave the fake one to a while back
17:45.54cogwheel|workyep :)
17:45.55Shirikum
17:45.56Gnarfozgotta make up for that :D
17:46.00cogwheel|workcookies for Shirik
17:46.06Shirikwhat's it called...
17:46.28cogwheel|workenter the gladiator
17:46.32Mr_Rabies2i got it purely to raise my ratio....at the music store....in the future <_< >_>
17:46.38zenzelezzthat sounds kinky
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17:48.19Shirikdoot doot doodle oodle oot doot doo doo doot doot doodle oodle oot doot doo doo oot oot doo doo oot oot doo doo doodle oodle oodle oodle oodle oodle do do [repeat]
17:48.41Shiriklol.
17:49.43wereHamsterthe frauenhofer institute in germany developed a software where you can sing the tones and it tries to find out which song it is.. even runs as a java applet in a browser
17:50.19Shiriknice
17:50.30zenzelezzI've heard of similar projects before
17:51.31GnarfozwereHamster: that one's been around a while, too :)
17:51.41wereHamstercouple of years, yes
17:52.27cogwheel|workShirik: lol. that's pretty much exactly how I posted it on the forum that one time though I separated it into four(?) lines
17:52.29wereHamsterbtw, people from the frauenhofer institute invented 'mp3' :)
17:52.36Shiriklol nice
17:52.54Shirikcourse I started with what you gave me :P
17:52.56Shirikand took it from there
17:54.17GnarfozwereHamster: it's Fraunhofer IIS anyway, btw, nothing to do with women :D
17:54.18cogwheel|workdidn't they do that awsome 64kb demo?
17:54.34Gnarfozwho?
17:54.56wereHamsterGnarfoz, oops :)
17:55.01cogwheel|workhttp://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/demos/groups/farb-rausch/fr08_final.zip&fileinfo
17:55.16zenzelezzfr08 \o/
17:55.24Gnarfozdunno if the farbrausch guys have any connections to the Fraunhofer IIS
17:55.28zenzelezzthose guys are wicked sick; have you seen fr41?
17:55.35Gnarfozbut farbrausch is = win
17:56.08Gnarfozwoot, food ready, I'm out :D
17:56.16cogwheel|workzenzelezz: nope
17:56.33zenzelezzit makes my computer cry, but it's awesome
17:57.01cogwheel|work:( scene.org only seems to go through 38
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17:57.05Mr_Rabies2crazy german f words, all the same to the clam
17:57.20cogwheel|workMr_Rabies2: QFT ><
17:57.29zenzelezzhttp://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244 if you want to see 41
17:58.48cogwheel|worki'll have to try that out on my home computer when my mobo is returned
18:05.33wereHamsterthe fr demos even run under wine.. but slow as hell :(
18:06.07Shirikmy computer hates wine lately :(
18:06.14Shirikif I try to run wow on it, it just straight up locks up
18:06.26Kaydeethreeplaying in opengl mode?
18:06.33Kaydeethreegot your gfx drivers properly installed?
18:06.34Shiriktried both, tried windowed and full screen
18:06.42Shirikit worked until I patched
18:06.45Kaydeethreewhat version of wine?
18:06.56Shirikwell, worked as in I could get to the login screen
18:07.02Shirikoh god I don't know, and can't check atm
18:07.16ShirikI just installed with apt-get
18:07.21Shirikso it should be current
18:07.42Kaydeethreehm
18:13.17Mr_Rabies2blah
18:13.44Mr_Rabies2i have Push Push (Lady Lightning) by Bang Camaro stuck in my head :x
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18:34.00Mr_Rabies2~purl
18:34.07purl[purl] one awesome bot!, or very suggestible.
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18:39.07Tempurl, forget purl
18:39.07purli forgot purl, Tem
18:41.44Shiriko.o
18:42.21cogwheel|work~purl
18:42.23nevcairielpurl, eat Tem
18:42.24purlACTION eats Tem and falls over dead
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19:19.27cogwheel|workhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101710809&pageNo=2&sid=1
19:19.48cogwheel|workwoops meant pageNo=1
19:26.29Shadowedhttp://wowi.pastey.net/22329 somebody see something wrong with that? can't seem to get the border to show up =/
19:28.14Mikmacogwheel|work: nice porn
19:28.29cogwheel|workkittie porn
19:28.36Shirik>>? http://wowi.pastey.net/22329
19:28.40Shirik:(
19:28.42cogwheel|works/ie/y/
19:28.50TemShadowed, the border has no texture
19:28.54Temwhy would it be visible?
19:29.23ShadowedIf you defined the texture in XML was it given a default one then?
19:29.36cogwheel|workbut you didn't inherit anything
19:30.01ShadowedWasn't inheriting anything in XML either...hrm
19:30.03cogwheel|work... misread but still may apply...
19:30.31Shadowedhttp://wowi.pastey.net/22332 was what I was using before, why would that work if it's not inheriting or setting a texture?
19:31.28Shirikhax imo
19:32.10ShadowedUI work is fine
19:32.12Shadoweds/fine/fun/
19:33.24Shirik"Summons a Mana Tide Totem with 5 health at the feet of the caster for 12 sec that restores 6% of total mana every 3 seconds to group members within 20 yards."
19:33.25Shirikwow.
19:33.43Shirikthat's like a party innervate :P
19:36.10foxlitIs that changed?
19:36.46foxlitCause it never seems that great while in a party... perhaps it's 6% of total mana :/
19:36.53foxlittotal=base total, dunno.
19:37.51TC-Workingwow....a WoW Visa card "so you can show everyone how geeky you are"
19:38.32TC-Workinghttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/visa/
19:39.17cogwheel|workit was inevitable
19:41.50TC-Working13 card designs as well
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20:17.03TC-Workingwhats the current version of WoW? e.g. what patch is it up to?
20:17.37Kaydeethree2.0.12-6546
20:17.49TC-Workingthanks
20:17.53KaydeethreePTR's up to  0.1.0-6641
20:18.06TC-Workingyea, i was looking at 2.1.0 looks tasty
20:18.26Kaydeethreethere's still another builds coming our way, according to kalagan
20:18.37Kaydeethree2.1's not getting released for at least 2 weeks, then
20:19.24TC-Workingawww...but i want 2.1.0 now....
20:19.24Kaydeethreeplay on the PTR? flying around on a netherdrake is fun
20:19.24Kaydeethreeso's zoning in to hyjal and BT
20:19.50TC-Workingi mean i supposed it would help if i played...but i still want 2.1.0
20:24.34TC-Working"Inspect distance has been increased to 30 yards (from 10 yards)."  It must have become pointless to shorten it with armory around
20:24.45Maldiviayeah
20:24.49Maldivianice change though
20:24.54TC-Workingyup
20:25.00Maldiviaalthough, they should just have made it visual range again
20:25.07Tem|Workit needs to go back to "if you can see them, you can inspect"
20:25.40TC-Workingi also like "Screenshots captured using the Print Screen key are now saved in JPG format."  i dunno why it was tga to begin with
20:25.51Tem|WorkI dislike that
20:25.56Tem|WorkI want them in tga format
20:26.01TC-Workingwhy?
20:26.32Kaydeethreethere's a cvar to put them back in tga format, isn't there?
20:26.37Tem|Workjpg is a lossy format
20:26.39Tem|Worktga is not
20:26.50Tem|Workaye, Kaydeethree
20:26.54Tem|Workwhich is a good thing
20:26.58Tem|Workbest of both worls imo
20:27.06Tem|Works/ls/lds/
20:28.01hastetga is superior
20:28.55hastethat's what I do, but tga is okey
20:29.01kergothzlib compression ftw
20:29.14hastenot very hard to run my tga2png script
20:30.25TC-Working"Common unique items" love the oxymoron
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20:31.15kergoth<3 imagemagick.  convert `ls --sort=time --reverse|tail -n 1` foo.png
20:31.17kergothheh
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20:31.51hastethat's what I do :p
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20:34.46Maldiviacogwheel ?
20:37.52cogwheel|workMaldivia ?
20:38.35MaldiviaRemember the post you posted for me, about the profession links ?
20:38.45cogwheel|workno... ><
20:39.04Maldiviait's 3 weeks ago or so :)
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20:40.19Maldiviahttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96960202&sid=1 -- would you mind perhaps bumping it, saying that 1 and 3 is fixed, but 2 is still possible ?
20:40.24AdysKaydeethree: Wheres this cvar? Im actually interested in saving them in png postpatch
20:40.51Maldiviaonly mac clients can save to png, windows is tga and jpg only
20:40.57KaydeethreeI dunno, it'd be something like "ScreenshotFormat". It's in the patch notes where macs got access to it way back when
20:41.08Maldivia- The config.wtf variable "screenshotFormat" allows the user to choose
20:41.08Maldivia<PROTECTED>
20:41.29Adysit already does for PCs?
20:41.32AdysI know macs got it
20:41.38Kaydeethreein 2.1
20:41.42Adysah nice
20:41.43Maldivia2.1.0 adds jpeg and tga for PC
20:41.55Adysnot png?
20:41.57nevcairieltga was always there :)
20:42.00nevcairielpng and jpg is new
20:42.45Maldivianevcairiel, yeah yeah, ok - but the toggle is new :)
20:42.50Maldiviacogwheel: thanks
20:44.07Maldiviacogwheel: and if they don't fix it, I'll have a way to DC people (if they click the link :)
20:45.24Maldiviabtw, have people seen the new cauldrons ?
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20:46.39AdysHob
20:46.46Adyser, mt
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20:50.56IndustrialWe are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for most listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use.
20:51.02Industrial>:(
20:51.22MoonWolfdamn you new laws
20:51.26MoonWolfuse last.fm
20:51.39Industrialyeah but its not as good in picking nice songs :P
20:51.46Industriali will anyway
21:00.28[Ammo]Industrial: use a US proxy :p
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21:03.30Industrialhmm.
21:03.49Industrialim alergic to lag :P
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21:20.09Guillotineanybody know how to use the io lib? Can't seem to get it to successfully open a file.
21:20.12Guillotinenot in WoW obviously
21:20.55Guillotineand yes, I did read the reference manual part about it
21:21.10cogwheel|workpil might be easier to follow than the manual
21:21.14cladhairelocal file = io.open("filename", "r")
21:21.26cladhairelocal text = file:read("*all")
21:21.29cladhairefile:close()
21:22.19cladhaireor
21:22.26cladhairelocal file = io.open("filename", "r")
21:22.40cladhairefor line in file:lines() do --[[somethign here]] end
21:24.48Guillotinethats what I tried :/
21:25.20Guillotinewait. in what folder is it automatically working out of? the folder lua.exe is in?
21:25.39zenzelezzwhat OS? How's it executed?
21:25.47cladhaireyes
21:25.57cladhairealways use absolute paths on a filesystem
21:26.00GuillotineXP, through cmd prompt
21:26.02cladhairebad Guillotine =)
21:26.14Guillotineabsolute paths?
21:26.18cladhaireit technically uses it from whatever your current direcotry is
21:26.23cladhaireyes, c:\some\file\here
21:26.24KaydeethreeC:\path\to\file\lua.lua
21:26.26cladhairenot some\file\here
21:26.33Guillotineya, I use that
21:26.40cladhairethen you need to escape the \
21:26.44Guillotineactually, use c:\\path\\to\\fiule\\lua.lua
21:26.45cladhairec:\\path\\to\\file\\lua.lua
21:26.52cladhairewell
21:26.53cladhairedo this
21:27.00cladhaireprint(io.open("yourfilenamehere", "r"))
21:27.02cladhaireit'll tell you whats wrong.
21:28.47Guillotineah, found my problem. was working out of the wrong folder -_-
21:29.11zenzelezzif you use an absolute path, your working directory should make no difference
21:29.35foxlitNext thing you know, they'll spam /cinvite get.your.gold.at.our.website.com
21:29.57foxlitI wonder if that's viable, actually.
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21:32.21Guillotinestill getting "attempt to index global 'somefile' (a nil value)". Yet when I do print(io.open("testing.txt")), I get "file(0003B940)"
21:32.23Guillotineso it seels the file
21:32.26Guillotinesees*
21:32.51cladhaireyou can't use locals in an interactive session
21:32.56cladhaireeach line is its own chunk
21:32.58Guillotinewell, theres my problem
21:32.59cladhaireyou can wrap it in a do
21:33.00cladhaireend
21:33.02cladhaireto fix that
21:34.53TC-Workingbest way to fix it is to stop useing windows for coding
21:35.09Cidehmm?
21:35.23TC-Workingi love windows but, linux > all for coding...personaly that is
21:35.32CideI'd disagree
21:35.33zenzelezzand why is that?
21:35.49Cidebut it's a matter of opinion :)
21:36.02cogwheel|workI actually find IDEs quite handy
21:36.20cogwheel|workSay what you will about microsoft, but Visual Studio is overall a really good ide
21:36.37TC-Workingit flows better is linux for me since i do everything command line anyways
21:36.42CideI like most of microsoft's products
21:36.43TC-Workings/is/in/
21:37.13CideI do, however, love people that blame microsoft for trying to make money
21:37.33Kaydeethreethey can make money all they want, I don't like them for being monopolistic
21:38.05cogwheel|workMS isn't a true monopoly though
21:38.16cogwheel|workthe only true monopolies are created by governments
21:38.34cogwheel|work(think telcos, railroads, etc.)
21:39.25TC-WorkingFCC...which isnt even government run
21:40.08foxlitCan I make a default dropdownmenu secure?
21:40.08cogwheel|workI used to hate MS for making money. I used to hate MS for being monopolistic. Then I took economics and now I just hate certain flaws in MS products
21:40.49TC-Workingdont let anyone else touch it foxlit, then it will be secure
21:40.58TC-Workingyou might want to look into a vault as well
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21:41.17foxlitOkay, I see I need to put more detail into this.
21:41.30TC-Workingheh
21:41.38foxlitI have a dropdownmenu that can show hide a form - UIDropDownMenu_* stuff.
21:42.07foxlitSince the form it shows/hides is protected, it can only do that out of combat, and I simply pass the disabled flag to _Add when in combat lockdown
21:42.22foxlitform=frame
21:43.13foxlitCan I do that in combat using some secure variation of the dropdown menu that I'm not aware of?
21:43.27Guillotineafaik, you'd have to just reskin some buttons to make it secure. Though I'm not completely sure what SecureMenuTemplate does
21:43.57Guillotinenot sure whether its a dropdown or a normal menu
21:44.30cogwheel|workI think you have to recreate their functionality from sort of scratch...
21:44.45cogwheel|workUse an anchor template to show the frame on a click
21:45.19cogwheel|workUse a state header to change which abilities show where on the list
21:45.22cogwheel|worketc.
21:45.41cogwheel|workbut i'm not sure what the menu template is either so it might be simpler than all that
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22:00.33cogwheel|workTC-Working: {global notice} hi all! I need to do some emergency maintenence on 2 rotation servers to help get more rotation servers back into the rotation. This will be mildly disruptive, and i will give more information in wallops as i go. /mode your_nick +w to see them. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
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22:32.16Guillotinealright, I must be stupid. I can't seem to find the binaries for LuaSocket though the site says they exist -_-
22:33.24TC-Workingthe LuaBinarys?
22:33.24Guillotineno, have those. need the binaries for LuaSocket
22:33.52TC-Workinghttp://luaforge.net/frs/?group_id=23
22:33.52TC-Workingbeta part
22:34.00TC-Workingaccording to http://luaforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=494 thats where the binarys are
22:34.10TC-Workingoh wait...nvm
22:34.15TC-Workingi read it wrong
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22:35.31TC-Workingwell... Guillotine, read the forum post and tell me what you think
22:36.36Guillotineah, thats why. they don't have binaries for versions past 2.0
22:37.17cladhaireits easy to compile
22:40.40Guillotinehow? you don't need c?
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22:42.06cladhaireyou could download msys mingw
22:42.08cladhaire*shrug*
22:42.15cladhairebut if you dont know c or compiling, probably not easy for you
22:43.07Guillotineonly know a teeny bit of c
22:43.07TC-Workingor you can use a 'nix OS and have it much easier
22:43.24cogwheel|workincluding cygwin on windows :)
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23:14.39Guillotinealright, I got it working, but now I'm getting an error with "no field package.preload['base']" "no file 'base.lua'", ect. What is base? o.O
23:14.57TC-Workingwell, base would be the bottom
23:15.03TC-Working~dict base
23:15.06TC-Working:)
23:15.11zenzelezzall your base are belong to lua
23:15.34zenzelezz(surely you saw that coming)
23:15.47TC-Working~execute zenzelezz
23:16.05zenzelezzI am not a binary
23:16.06TC-Workingdid i not spell that correctly?
23:16.20TC-Working~obliterate zenzelezz
23:28.17Guillotinealright, wtf is up with this o.O It needs base, but, as far as I can tell, base doesn't exist
23:31.47TC-Working~destroy zenzelezz
23:31.53purlno
23:32.02TC-Workingdamn
23:32.18TC-Working~blend zenzelezz
23:32.45TC-Workinghmm...you got away this time zenzelezz
23:32.57zenzelezzpurl lubs me
23:33.04TC-Workinglubs huh?
23:33.13zenzelezz~emulate zenzelezz
23:33.16purlOMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT!
23:33.21TC-Working~lub zenzelezz
23:33.36TC-Working~emulate Thunder_Child
23:33.38purlto save time, let's just assume i know everything
23:33.49zenzelezzhow can you be on the internet and not know "lub"?
23:34.05TC-Workingare you talking to me or purl?
23:34.16zenzelezzyou
23:34.35TC-Workingbecause i at least *try* to spell correctly
23:35.24zenzelezzI'm a grammar nazi, I just allow myself a few liberties when imitating funny pictures
23:35.46TC-Workingbah @ cats!
23:36.10zenzelezzI find your lack of faith disturbing
23:36.29TC-Workingmy faith is in other kinds of aminals
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23:37.38TC-Workingheh "While most of the planet is moving to electronic currency, Canada is kicking it old school. They introduced a coin that is worth US $1,000,000. This could end horribly, as I visited an arcade in Vancouver once, and put in what I thought was quarter after quarter into the game. Only to find out later that they were dollar coins."
23:39.50ShadowedHardware acceleration on sound option is a performance HIT not a gain I assume?
23:40.10TC-Workingcorrect afaik
23:40.33zenzelezzwhy would it be a hit? Don't actually know though
23:41.06TC-Workingbecause software sound dosent use as many channels/quality/etc.
23:42.09zenzelezzI thought that wouldn't matter since the card took care of that; but again... I'm not into the technicalities
23:43.17ShadowedIt says this will impact performance, just wasnt sure if they meant for better or worst
23:43.53zenzelezzwhen in doubt, "impact" means worse
23:44.06Shadowed"affect performance" not impact sorry
23:44.18zenzelezzthat is ambiguous indeed
23:44.46ShadowedBut I was getting some odd lag that happened when I turned sound on, so i assume it's that
23:47.46TC-Workingyup
23:48.50TC-Workinglook at it this way. Game --> system --> hardware --> system --> game OR game --> system --> Game
23:49.16Shadowedtrue
23:49.16TC-Workingthe hardware is prefered because of the increased sound quality
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23:49.44kergothJoshBorke: heh, characterinfo didnt detect me moving this item from my bank to my inventory either, it still showed 'banked: 5' in the item tooltip
23:50.04zenzelezzhardware accelerated graphics improve performance ;-p I just always assume(d) any hardware acceleration was a plus
23:50.38TC-Workingit isnt an improvement over sotware graphics...it just looks beter
23:50.42TC-Workingbetter*
23:51.02zenzelezzdepends how you define improve; but I see your point
23:51.34TC-Workingyou will find that your computer will have an easier time with software vs. hardware based graphics
23:52.04JoshBorkekergoth: yea, i'll fix it next upload
23:54.43LegorolTC-Working: i beleive it dependso n the type of graphics
23:55.04Legorolif the application always wants the same picture to be displayed, but the hardware supports some of the operations and can do them,
23:55.10Legorolit's faster to do it in the GPU than in the CPU
23:55.41Legoroli.e. often software graphics as opposed to hardware ends up being emulation of sorts
23:56.02Legorolif turning off hardware acceleration in the application also means that you expect less results, that's a different thing entirely
23:56.08Legorolso you can't make a blanket statement
23:57.20TC-Workingi will and i can...but you have a point..i was just thinking in regards to games
23:57.39TC-Workingi should have been more specific
23:58.29Legoroleven in games it surely depends on the game
23:58.37Legorolwe can make it more specific and talk WoW ;-)
23:59.05TC-Workingok, i would say that a system would run easier in software mode than hardware mode
23:59.10TC-Workingfor wow

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