| 00:04.15 | zenzelezz | I keep thinking "hey, maybe I should re-watch the Matrix films"... then falling asleep somewhere before the highway scene |
| 00:08.35 | Tain | There's no reason to watch them, never mind re-watch them. |
| 00:09.14 | zenzelezz | I quite enjoy the first one; and I can accept Reloaded... not sure why I consider Revolutions |
| 00:09.32 | JoshBorke | the sex scene |
| 00:09.46 | zenzelezz | if I want sex scenes I'll watch porn |
| 00:10.00 | Tain | I didn't like the first one when I saw it for the first time, but I've gained some appreciation for it from repeated viewings. |
| 00:10.08 | Tain | The other two though, no. |
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| 00:30.18 | Shirik | woosh nailed my final :D |
| 00:30.25 | Shirik | CEC 320 01DB Microprocessor Systems 3.00 3.00 A 12.00 L 01/10-05/03 |
| 00:30.27 | Shirik | happy now ^^ |
| 00:30.36 | Fin | grats Shirik! |
| 00:31.18 | Fin | who says you need both eyes to win |
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| 00:32.48 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:33.55 | cladhaire | damn |
| 00:34.04 | cladhaire | things get so difficult when i dont know if i'm gonna be shadow or healbot |
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| 00:34.22 | Shirik | shadow is fun :) |
| 00:34.25 | cladhaire | well yeah |
| 00:34.31 | cladhaire | but the guild hasn't told me which |
| 00:34.33 | Shirik | every class likes a shadow priest |
| 00:34.35 | cladhaire | so i have no CLUE which gear to take |
| 00:34.37 | Shirik | well every mana using clast |
| 00:34.50 | Shirik | shadow priests make it so I can use aspect of the hawk :P |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | or better yet, still use viper and have infinite mana ^^ |
| 00:35.52 | Mike-N-Go | And Blizzard has a, "Create your own class with spells." challenge. |
| 00:36.14 | Shirik | oh? |
| 00:36.20 | Kaso | "Chinese student arrested for making mod map of school" http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2458470 |
| 00:36.52 | Kaso | I think nowadays most news stories can be summed up to "Asian kid in an american school: Authorities over-react" |
| 00:36.59 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 00:37.32 | Shirik | because you know |
| 00:37.35 | cladhaire | after VTech, its in extremely poor taste to do something like that |
| 00:37.37 | cladhaire | asian or no |
| 00:37.40 | Shirik | well this is true |
| 00:37.46 | Shirik | but still, it's fricking fiction |
| 00:37.59 | Shirik | why not arrest the creator of Fight Club? |
| 00:37.59 | Kaso | Making a mod map of your school? seriously who knows how to make maps and *hasn't* done that |
| 00:38.00 | cladhaire | not when you use it to plan the mass shooting at your school |
| 00:38.08 | Shirik | or what about GTA? |
| 00:38.24 | cladhaire | its not the same and you know it. |
| 00:38.39 | Shirik | there's a slight difference: It's a student, and it's based upon a real situation |
| 00:38.43 | Shirik | but that is the ONLY difference |
| 00:38.54 | cladhaire | one worth investigating |
| 00:38.56 | cladhaire | true or false? |
| 00:39.02 | Shirik | investigating, perhaps. Not arresting |
| 00:39.13 | cladhaire | well, arresting someone is an easy way to investigate |
| 00:39.17 | Shirik | not without any solid evidence of psychological problems, etc. |
| 00:39.22 | cladhaire | you get the warrant for the arrest, and to seize the evidence |
| 00:39.24 | cladhaire | and sort things out later |
| 00:39.30 | cladhaire | it sucks, i've had to deal with shit like that |
| 00:39.36 | cladhaire | but its how things _can_ be done |
| 00:39.47 | Shirik | funny how we invented this thing called a "warrant" so people can't get arrested without a reason |
| 00:40.00 | Shirik | and we've come so far as to just throw out warrants all over the place so we can arrest people whenever we want |
| 00:40.12 | cladhaire | there's a reason for that |
| 00:40.19 | Kaso | cladhaire, i wouldnt object so much as in *every* time over the past few weeks its just been asian kids getting aressed for being nerdy or "quiet" |
| 00:40.26 | cladhaire | if someone knows you're investigating them, then things change drasticly |
| 00:40.31 | cladhaire | Kaso: I agree, but thats' not what we're discussing |
| 00:40.31 | Kaso | Its degrading into blatent state assisted racisim |
| 00:40.36 | cladhaire | i think _thats_ wrong |
| 00:40.42 | cladhaire | but no more wrong than what happened after Columbine |
| 00:40.48 | cladhaire | they weren't asian |
| 00:41.04 | cladhaire | and they were discriminated against just as harshly |
| 00:41.06 | Kaso | True, perhaps profiling is a better word |
| 00:41.11 | cladhaire | well it is profiling |
| 00:41.14 | cladhaire | but no worse than columbine |
| 00:41.18 | cladhaire | or any other disaster like this |
| 00:41.21 | cladhaire | do i justify it, no |
| 00:41.30 | cladhaire | in this case, i don't think its unreasonable. |
| 00:41.32 | cladhaire | being arrested really means nothing |
| 00:41.41 | cladhaire | and i have the right and authority to say that |
| 00:41.55 | Shirik | this about sums it up: "Making a FPS map of your school is a loving rite of passage for all young level makers. I made a Hexen map of my school for gently caress sakes, I sure hope the police don't find out and arrest me! |
| 00:41.55 | Shirik | edit: wait I'm not Asian so I guess I'm safe |
| 00:41.56 | Fin | having the right and authority to do something is unrelated to whether you should do it or not |
| 00:42.15 | cladhaire | I can and will say whatever I damn well want to |
| 00:42.21 | cladhaire | if you're implying i dont have the right to an opinion |
| 00:42.25 | Fin | that is also unrelated |
| 00:42.25 | Tain | That reminds me of a big discussion I had with people the other day. Do you consider, "Asian" to mean people from Asia, or only people from the area considered the, "Orient"? |
| 00:42.30 | Fin | no, not at all |
| 00:42.33 | Shirik | cladhaire: Who was that directed at? |
| 00:42.35 | cladhaire | Tain: Indians are asian |
| 00:42.39 | cladhaire | Fin: What the fuck are you saying |
| 00:42.39 | cladhaire | no offense |
| 00:42.55 | Fin | I'm saying that having the right and authority to arrest something is unrelated to making it right to arrest someone |
| 00:42.57 | cladhaire | The only thing I referred to having the right and authority to do anything, was an opinino |
| 00:43.12 | cladhaire | okay, so bad choice of words |
| 00:43.14 | Tain | Russia is also in Asia, yet many people wouldn't consider them Asian. |
| 00:43.26 | Fin | sorry, I didn't read it properly |
| 00:43.47 | Shirik | I think the general consensus is that "Asian" would be the chinese/japanese/korean/vietnamese |
| 00:43.48 | Shirik | etc. |
| 00:43.48 | Fin | I don't mean to imply anything about you having and telling us your opinion |
| 00:43.57 | cladhaire | well it was immediatley in response, using the same words |
| 00:43.58 | cladhaire | no proble |
| 00:44.02 | cladhaire | just wanted to understand |
| 00:44.03 | Shirik | even if a Russian is technically an "Asian" |
| 00:44.10 | Fin | fair enough, I see what you mean |
| 00:44.17 | Kaso | What the hell, i never knew somethingawful censored itself when you're not logged in "oh gently caress" haha |
| 00:44.20 | cladhaire | is the racial profiling wrong, yes. |
| 00:44.28 | cladhaire | did he make the map mod before or after the event? |
| 00:44.39 | Karrion | cladhaire: good question |
| 00:44.44 | cladhaire | i would want anyone who did some shit like that to be psychologically evaluated if they did it after |
| 00:44.45 | cladhaire | plain and simple. |
| 00:44.47 | cladhaire | before, then no. |
| 00:44.51 | cladhaire | its profiling and stupid. |
| 00:44.58 | Fin | it shouldn't make a difference, but it might explain the overreaction |
| 00:44.58 | Shirik | I could partly agree with that |
| 00:45.12 | Karrion | I remember back at high school thinking about making a doom level based around school |
| 00:45.15 | Shirik | but on the same note you have to realize some people want to get over this crap |
| 00:45.30 | Shirik | And go back to what they've been doing for the past 20 whatever years of their life |
| 00:45.34 | Tain | I think it's funny to do it after. I might need psychological evaluation for lots of reasons though. |
| 00:45.38 | cladhaire | Does that matte rin this case? |
| 00:45.39 | Shirik | And to some people... that's what it is |
| 00:45.51 | Karrion | it's an area you spend a lot of time at and are familiar with, so it's natural to use it for expirementing with that sort of thing |
| 00:45.59 | cladhaire | and its improper |
| 00:46.05 | cladhaire | regardless of how quick you want to "get over it |
| 00:46.13 | cladhaire | sending it to your friends for them to shoot people in your school is not right |
| 00:46.23 | cladhaire | i dont care if its your hobby, or your job |
| 00:46.34 | Tain | The Aristocrats! |
| 00:46.34 | cladhaire | and i dont think anyone here disagrees with that |
| 00:46.43 | Tain | I disagree. |
| 00:46.46 | cladhaire | in principle |
| 00:46.46 | Shirik | I think Tain is in a completely different conversation :P |
| 00:46.47 | JoshBorke | at what point will it become ok to create maps of your school? |
| 00:46.47 | Karrion | if I'd done it, back then, I'd have shown my friends |
| 00:46.48 | cladhaire | Tain: you would |
| 00:46.56 | Tain | Sorry but "not right" is not something I agree with. |
| 00:46.58 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: For an FPS game, I don't think it is. |
| 00:47.07 | cladhaire | But thats my opinion |
| 00:47.09 | cladhaire | you may have all done it |
| 00:47.12 | cladhaire | but I dont think its appropriate |
| 00:47.17 | JoshBorke | i mean will it ever become appropriate? |
| 00:47.28 | Tain | I completely understand that it is not "nice" to do and many people would have a problem with it. |
| 00:47.29 | cladhaire | to shoot at peopel in your school virtually |
| 00:47.29 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:47.47 | cladhaire | Tain: well, that's how i would define not "right" |
| 00:47.49 | Tain | But I think some semblance of intention has to be considered. |
| 00:47.53 | cladhaire | not right doesn't mean wrong |
| 00:47.55 | cladhaire | it means not entirely right |
| 00:47.56 | JoshBorke | then why does it take this most recent incident at VT when it should have been that way since columbine? |
| 00:47.57 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:48.02 | Fin | Tain: seems like that's the *point* (that it's not "nice") :) |
| 00:48.03 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: it should have been |
| 00:48.04 | Karrion | why is it ok to shoot people virtually in some other 3d environment, and not a virtual school? |
| 00:48.34 | JoshBorke | but you yourself said it would have been ok before it |
| 00:48.34 | Shirik | I think cladhaire is more concerned with the fact that it's a simulation of a REAL environment |
| 00:48.39 | Shirik | not just a school specifically |
| 00:48.42 | cladhaire | correct |
| 00:48.43 | cladhaire | a Mall |
| 00:48.48 | Tain | I think it's funny to create a virual school to shoot up. Or I should say, it can be. It is in bad taste, but if someone isn't doing it as a training seminar then I'm fine with it. |
| 00:48.54 | cladhaire | a sniper game modelled after the highways in Ohio |
| 00:49.05 | JoshBorke | i agree, i don't see any reason why that sort of thing should be created |
| 00:49.07 | cladhaire | Tain: in bad taste is by definition "not right", to completely mince words |
| 00:49.14 | cladhaire | that's all i'm saying |
| 00:49.27 | cladhaire | i"d love to learn how to 3-D model things |
| 00:49.34 | Shirik | oh god I suck at 3d modeling |
| 00:49.36 | cladhaire | and i'd probably do it on something real-world based |
| 00:49.36 | Tain | Yeah it's all semantics about what individual words mean. |
| 00:49.38 | cladhaire | like my HOUSE |
| 00:49.39 | Shirik | I made a plane once |
| 00:49.45 | Shirik | i.e., a flat surface |
| 00:49.48 | Shirik | not an airplane |
| 00:49.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:49.52 | Shirik | that's about the best I was able to do |
| 00:49.53 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:49.53 | Tain | I did some 3d mapping in Descent way back when. It was friggin hard. |
| 00:49.56 | Karrion | Shirik: rofl |
| 00:50.01 | cladhaire | and sadly its sometimes easier to do that in a game |
| 00:50.08 | cladhaire | than in bryce, etc. |
| 00:50.12 | cladhaire | so its tough to get caught up |
| 00:50.14 | Shirik | Code, I can envision that in my head |
| 00:50.15 | Mike-N-Go | I know what plain you speak of =] |
| 00:50.21 | Shirik | It just comes out, as if it was a natural language |
| 00:50.24 | cladhaire | but if the map is put in game, to shoot things and people |
| 00:50.27 | Kaso | Mapping nowadays with source and the like basically need a profesional level 3d artist to make anything reasonable |
| 00:50.29 | Shirik | Modeling... I just don't see things well |
| 00:50.31 | cladhaire | thats a different story, all governed by taste |
| 00:50.43 | Kaso | i remeber the days when any old person with hammer editor could make a map |
| 00:50.43 | Shirik | I don't have an abstract mind for that |
| 00:50.44 | Fin | or lack of it |
| 00:51.00 | Fin | er, tasate |
| 00:51.01 | Fin | -a |
| 00:51.22 | Fin | I didn't mean that your mind is lacking at all, Shirik :) |
| 00:51.23 | Karrion | see, I think that it's a way to release tension in a safe environment, because you're virtualizing it |
| 00:51.23 | Shirik | On the same note, that's also why I didn't go for aerospace engineering |
| 00:51.30 | Karrion | but then I din't linve in the US |
| 00:51.36 | Shirik | Because I can't understand Catia >< |
| 00:51.40 | cladhaire | Karrion: psychology disagrees with you |
| 00:51.42 | Shirik | Fin: You'd probably be accurate :P |
| 00:51.44 | Karrion | so maybe there's a cultural difference |
| 00:51.48 | cladhaire | if you need to release tension in a safe environment, but shooting peopel in your school |
| 00:51.54 | cladhaire | you have problems that need professional attention |
| 00:51.56 | cladhaire | imho |
| 00:52.01 | Tain | Sometimes a video game map is just a video game map. |
| 00:52.16 | cladhaire | agreed, 100% |
| 00:52.29 | cladhaire | but what do you ignore? and what do you investigate? |
| 00:52.30 | Fin | Shirik: dude, you just aced your exams, if there's one day not to be self deprecating I'd say today is a good candidate |
| 00:52.42 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:53.29 | Shirik | I won't be too happy until I see my discrete structures grade come back |
| 00:53.58 | Tain | On a happy note I installed Nethack on my cellphone today. Woohoo! |
| 00:54.01 | Karrion | I think you need more than, "he made a map of the school and is asian" to arrest someone |
| 00:54.12 | Fin | nethack? |
| 00:54.15 | Fin | wtf |
| 00:54.16 | Fin | how? |
| 00:54.27 | cladhaire | Karrion: Do you knwo they didn't? |
| 00:54.29 | Fin | is your phone big and beige and attached to a monitor? |
| 00:54.51 | cladhaire | in this case, i believe, he distributed it to other people int he school, in the context of an FPS |
| 00:54.56 | Tain | Nope, just a "Smartphone". |
| 00:55.14 | Fin | what's it running, Zaurus? |
| 00:55.51 | Tain | Windows Mobile |
| 00:56.30 | Karrion | I'm just going off the article, obviously I have no further information |
| 00:56.55 | Tain | I really feel sorry for people who haven't seriously played Nethack or another Rogue-like. There is so much awesome-ness to it. |
| 00:56.59 | cladhaire | Karrion: neither am I, yet we end of on different sides of things :P I suppose that's the fault of the media for not reporting all of the fact to allow us to make a reasonable judgement |
| 00:57.06 | cladhaire | Tain: i agree, 100% |
| 00:57.45 | Karrion | if indeed there are any other facts, yes |
| 00:58.12 | cladhaire | well I'm banking on the fact that even an insane judge woudln't likely give a warrant because the kid was asian and made a map |
| 00:58.14 | cladhaire | but i've been wrong before :P |
| 00:58.55 | Karrion | I dunno, I suspect most judges wouldn't understand what a fps map is |
| 00:59.08 | JoshBorke | i'm sure there's more to teh story |
| 00:59.21 | Karrion | they'd just hear the cop saying it's this thing where he can shoot people, and bam |
| 00:59.55 | cladhaire | i agree, its unclear |
| 01:00.01 | cladhaire | and either intepretation isn't great :P |
| 01:03.39 | Tain | See it is easier to just look at it from my point of view. The human race is fucked as a foregone conclusion, might as well watch what comes of it. |
| 01:04.00 | cladhaire | i agree wholeheartedly |
| 01:04.05 | Shirik | well, we already knew that one :P |
| 01:04.12 | Shirik | just look at the people getting elected... |
| 01:04.23 | Fin | foregone conclusion because it's already happened |
| 01:04.39 | Shirik | 29 min left on this WoW install |
| 01:04.48 | Shirik | this laptop is a 1.6GHz Centrino with 512 RAM |
| 01:04.51 | Fin | although I don't know, I prefer naive optimism with a strong sense of denial personally |
| 01:04.53 | Shirik | thoughts on how well it will run? |
| 01:05.07 | Shirik | s/Centrino/Pentium M/ |
| 01:05.12 | Fin | run? |
| 01:05.25 | Fin | heh |
| 01:05.26 | Shirik | ok... walk? |
| 01:05.27 | Shirik | crawl? |
| 01:05.41 | Shirik | woah wait a sec |
| 01:05.46 | Shirik | when did I go up to 1GB Ram? |
| 01:05.48 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 01:05.55 | Shirik | cool ^^ |
| 01:06.15 | Fin | you may have blocked out the memory of anything before then, if you're on XP |
| 01:06.28 | Fin | strong sense of denial, very useful |
| 01:06.51 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:06.55 | Shirik | I might actually |
| 01:07.00 | Shirik | switch over to Ubuntu to run it |
| 01:07.05 | Shirik | on my desktop it runs better on Linux anyway |
| 01:07.21 | Tain | Also Jericho kicks my ass. |
| 01:07.28 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:13.33 | Shirik | so I just walked outside for a bit |
| 01:13.35 | Shirik | the moon is red... |
| 01:13.40 | Shirik | that was pretty cool |
| 01:21.19 | Shirik | "Defuzzification" is definitely the coolest word I have ever seen in a professional document |
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| 01:57.48 | Shadowed | So, anyone happen to know if battleground graveyards countdown starts when the match starts (the "Battle for blah has begin" message) or when the instance is first created and it's still doing the 2m countdown |
| 01:58.13 | Shirik | well |
| 01:58.20 | Shirik | since the graveyard countdowns are 30s |
| 01:58.26 | Shirik | it wouldn't matter, eh? |
| 01:58.31 | Shadowed | ... |
| 01:58.34 | Shadowed | That is entirely true |
| 01:58.36 | Shirik | either way you get the same result |
| 01:59.09 | Shadowed | that makes it a bit easier |
| 02:03.42 | Shirik | qq at laptop not able to connect to wow :( |
| 02:04.40 | Shirik | anyone else having trouble? It's probably just me |
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| 02:06.01 | raevanmorlock | I can connect |
| 02:06.03 | Shadowed | Fine for me |
| 02:08.30 | Shirik | yeah, I think it's my laptop :P |
| 02:08.40 | Shirik | maybe linux will be happier, I don't have the patience for this right now |
| 02:25.24 | Kirkburn|afk | It's SCATHING EDITORIAL COMIC WEEK! http://www.explosm.net/comics/887/ |
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| 02:27.37 | Shirik | was wondering why it's so quiet... |
| 02:27.41 | Shirik | forgot to join the channel >.> |
| 02:28.05 | Nom- | nub :P |
| 02:31.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow - http://www.myextralife.com/?p=5127 |
| 02:39.59 | Legorol | you know, the sad part are those who say it's fake |
| 02:40.03 | Legorol | does it really matter? |
| 02:43.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Legorol, indeed :/ |
| 02:43.51 | Kirkburn|afk | "Oh my, my world view is so enclosed that I cannot believe something to be real! I must demean it!" |
| 02:44.11 | Legorol | especially if its' someone putting hard work and effort into doing something truly amazing |
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| 02:44.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Exactly |
| 02:44.39 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm off to bed now, g'night all! |
| 02:46.20 | Thunder_Child2 | night kirk |
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| 02:57.03 | Industrial | ohnoes |
| 02:57.04 | Industrial | birds outside |
| 02:57.05 | Industrial | nn |
| 02:57.12 | Shirik | lol |
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| 03:01.02 | Shirik | boo |
| 03:01.11 | Shirik | if your account is BC, you have to have BC installed to login? |
| 03:01.13 | Shirik | that's annoying |
| 03:02.55 | Karrion | Shirik: it would be hard to log on your character that's sitting in Shattrath without having all the geometry for it installed... |
| 03:03.04 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:03.06 | Shirik | I guess :( |
| 03:03.19 | Shirik | now I have to wait for this download >.> |
| 03:03.26 | Shirik | after having waited for 3GB download of the rest of the client |
| 03:03.30 | Karrion | ouch |
| 03:03.40 | Shirik | or I could try to find the CD |
| 03:03.45 | Shirik | which is packed away in my car somewhere |
| 03:03.50 | Kaydeethree | the joys of not having the CDs/DVDs |
| 03:03.52 | Karrion | that would probably be faster |
| 03:04.01 | Shirik | I have them it's just I have everything packed in my car |
| 03:05.19 | Shirik | cd /mnt/drc |
| 03:05.21 | Shirik | oops |
| 03:05.42 | Karrion | lol wrong window? |
| 03:05.50 | Shirik | yeah :( |
| 03:05.58 | Shirik | they're both white with black text >.> |
| 03:06.07 | Karrion | if I had a dollar for every time I've done that... :-/ |
| 03:06.20 | Thunder_Child | you woullllld have 2 dollars? |
| 03:06.24 | Thunder_Child | err.... |
| 03:06.31 | Shirik | lllllllll |
| 03:06.33 | Shirik | ol |
| 03:06.47 | Thunder_Child | ...cute... |
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| 03:10.43 | Corrodias | if i had a dollar for every brain you don't have, i'd have ONE DOLLAR |
| 03:11.05 | Karrion | Corrodias: nonsense |
| 03:11.07 | Corrodias | now i'm wondering all over again if my frost mage should have frostbite |
| 03:11.13 | Karrion | I don't have more than one brain! |
| 03:11.19 | Corrodias | i don't like to think about different builds for raiding and soloing |
| 03:11.36 | Shirik | svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '/home/mpdelbuono/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons'; please get a newer Subversion client --> root@mpdelbuono-laptop:/home/mpdelbuono/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons# apt-get install subversion --> subversion is already the newest version. |
| 03:11.37 | Shirik | anyone know a way around that? |
| 03:11.54 | Corrodias | i wonder if i should drop points from winter's chill to put into frostbite instead |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | imo go arcane |
| 03:12.17 | Shirik | better yet |
| 03:12.20 | Shirik | no talents |
| 03:12.23 | Shirik | raw mage |
| 03:12.26 | Corrodias | i chose a full frost build. |
| 03:12.28 | Shirik | takes player talent to do that |
| 03:12.29 | Corrodias | *spec |
| 03:12.34 | Karrion | Shirik: what version does svn --version say? |
| 03:12.53 | Shirik | svn, version 1.3.2 (r19776) |
| 03:13.12 | Corrodias | arcane/frost is tempting |
| 03:13.24 | Shirik | better yet |
| 03:13.27 | Shirik | reroll hunter :D |
| 03:13.37 | Corrodias | but at that point i just have to ask why not arcane/fire instead of arcane/frost |
| 03:13.38 | Karrion | http://subversion.tigris.org/ says the latest is 1.4.3... wth isn't it any 1.4 in repos yet? |
| 03:13.57 | Shirik | :( dunno |
| 03:14.04 | Shirik | I'll try building it myself |
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| 03:14.54 | Karrion | hm it's complaining about the working copy, not the server... you could try re-checking-out the working copy |
| 03:15.13 | Shirik | yeah, I know. I copied this from my windows partition, really |
| 03:15.22 | Shirik | I could re-check out but I have some changes I don't want to lose |
| 03:15.49 | Shirik | hrm |
| 03:15.52 | Corrodias | and elemental precision, a 3% lower chance for the spell to miss |
| 03:15.55 | Shirik | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=subversion says it has 1.4.2 ... |
| 03:15.58 | Corrodias | i wonder if this is worth the 3 points. |
| 03:16.02 | Shirik | spells miss? |
| 03:16.11 | Corrodias | yes, but the UI says "resisted" |
| 03:16.18 | Karrion | mv Addons Addons.bak; svn checkout ...; cp Addons.bak/.../*.lua Addons/... ? |
| 03:16.18 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:16.27 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:16.36 | Shirik | well it's only one file, I guess I can do that |
| 03:16.44 | Corrodias | against a raid boss i think spell miss chance is around 16% unmodified... but that's off the top of my head |
| 03:18.44 | Shirik | rofl...apparently my SVN server is down anyway >.> |
| 03:18.50 | Karrion | LOL |
| 03:18.51 | Shirik | ok then... |
| 03:19.05 | Shirik | oh wait, no it's just extremely slow |
| 03:19.40 | Shirik | Corrodias: That kinda sucks |
| 03:19.47 | Shirik | I mean I rarely miss, and I have almost no +hit |
| 03:22.56 | Corrodias | this is the part i hate about playing wow |
| 03:22.59 | Corrodias | trying to decide on a build |
| 03:23.10 | Shirik | could be worse |
| 03:23.25 | Shirik | in RF, you get to pick a promotion class, which is essentially the same as choosing your build |
| 03:24.10 | Shirik | if you choose to change, pretty easy, 1k to pay, not bad |
| 03:24.11 | Shirik | then 10k... then 100k, then 1m |
| 03:24.11 | Shirik | and it never drops down |
| 03:24.11 | Shirik | don't play for a year, it's still 1m |
| 03:24.11 | Corrodias | what's RF? |
| 03:24.19 | Shirik | 1k is probably about 24 hours of farming, or if you get lucky, maybe a couple of elementals |
| 03:24.28 | Shirik | a game I used to work for |
| 03:24.34 | Shirik | it had a ton of potential |
| 03:24.42 | Shirik | the graphics were insane |
| 03:26.00 | Corrodias | arcane/fire, arcane/frost, a different balance of arcane/frost, full frost, full fire... argh! all these choices and i don't know which i'd like the most |
| 03:26.27 | Tem | Corrodias, I'm really fond of 10/51/0 |
| 03:26.34 | Tem | and 10/0/51 |
| 03:26.46 | Shirik | which one's which again? |
| 03:26.52 | Corrodias | arcane/fire/frost |
| 03:26.55 | Tem | arc/fire/frost |
| 03:27.04 | Corrodias | 10 in arcane gets you 10% clearcast chance on spellcast |
| 03:27.06 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 03:27.14 | Shirik | fun |
| 03:27.21 | Corrodias | at least, i think that's what everyone goes for if they put 10 in arcane |
| 03:27.47 | Corrodias | i have a couple of 10/0/51 build options |
| 03:28.02 | Kaydeethree | 40/0/21 kthx |
| 03:28.12 | Corrodias | i have a couple of that kind, too |
| 03:28.20 | Shirik | obviously 3/50/8 |
| 03:28.30 | Shirik | but this is a hunter build :P |
| 03:29.02 | Corrodias | well, i think i had a 10/46/5 build designed... if i have the numbers right |
| 03:29.35 | Tem | what are the 5 in frost for? |
| 03:29.52 | Tem | unless you think frost warding is a good talent? |
| 03:29.54 | Corrodias | 3 elemental precision and 2 improved frost ward. i was toying with the idea of improved ward spells for spell reflection |
| 03:30.22 | Tem | fwiw's once you have molten armor, there is very little reason to use either of the other 2 armor spells |
| 03:30.31 | Tem | s/'s// |
| 03:30.53 | Corrodias | i'd be quite amused to see the maiden's holy fire reflected on her, but i doubt that'd work because bosses never cooperate like that |
| 03:30.54 | Tem | I might use mage armor or frost armor if I was a |
| 03:30.58 | Tem | frost mage |
| 03:31.16 | Corrodias | mind you my mage is only level 29 |
| 03:31.23 | Tem | holy fire does holy damage |
| 03:31.25 | Tem | so |
| 03:31.35 | Corrodias | ah, does it? |
| 03:31.42 | Tem | I think so anyway |
| 03:31.47 | Tem | would have to ask a priest to be sure |
| 03:32.10 | Tem | yep, confirms holy |
| 03:32.16 | Tem | s/s/ed/ |
| 03:33.21 | Corrodias | this is now what i'm staring at, which is probably a foolish design. frostbite would ruin any attempt to AoE farm, and that's mostly what blizzard chill is for. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0VZZVAGIRfLsrot |
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| 03:38.51 | Corrodias | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0VZZVAGIofxsfot or http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0E00fzxIziZZVVG0o0x ... such choices to be made |
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| 03:52.10 | Corrodias | can't decide! |
| 03:52.23 | Shirik | do a |
| 03:52.29 | Corrodias | i -think- i prefer the coolness factor of the full frost spec |
| 03:52.55 | Shirik | t = {"option 1", "option 2"}; n = math.random(#t); print(t[n]); |
| 03:53.36 | Corrodias | >> print("is that irc interpreter someone has running?") |
| 03:53.51 | Shirik | negative |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:55.05 | Shirik | shall I go to taco bell? |
| 03:55.07 | Shirik | I think I shall |
| 03:55.35 | Corrodias | it seems to me that the arcane/frost might be able to output more damage over time, like to a boss |
| 03:56.32 | Kaydeethree | mana efficiency = king |
| 03:57.01 | Kaydeethree | especially for the new nefarian |
| 03:57.11 | Kaydeethree | magtheridon is upwards of 12 minutes |
| 03:57.58 | Shirik | hey kaydee |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | do you play on eredar? |
| 03:58.07 | Kaydeethree | neg. Medivh |
| 03:58.11 | Shirik | hrm |
| 03:58.22 | Shirik | must be someone else with a similar name then |
| 03:58.25 | Shirik | I swear I saw you on #Eredar before :/ |
| 03:58.50 | Kaydeethree | if anything you've seen me on the ui forums |
| 03:59.46 | Shirik | oh I know I've seen you there |
| 03:59.49 | Shirik | I just... meh nm |
| 04:03.10 | Corrodias | does adding a chill effect to blizzard have much of a use if i'm not aoe farming? |
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| 04:05.07 | Kaydeethree | good way to snare runners from range in an emergency |
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| 04:50.08 | Corrodias | why is my WoW folder 14 gigabytes? it includes all the wow files i download, but still... |
| 04:50.25 | Tem | Corrodias, imp blizzard is HILLARIOUS in AV |
| 04:50.38 | Tem | people don't understand how to get out of it |
| 04:50.48 | Tem | and they move _so_ slow with 3/3 permafrost |
| 04:51.35 | Tem | well, the expansion is a few extra GB |
| 04:51.48 | Tem | and if you have the PTR installed, once upon a time it was like have an extra wow installation |
| 04:51.51 | Tem | that may still be true |
| 04:52.09 | Kaydeethree | wow. even with the PTR installed my WoW install is 9.7G |
| 04:52.29 | Corrodias | ah, interesting, yes |
| 04:54.42 | Shirik | Tem: How do you get out of it? |
| 04:54.57 | Tem | move |
| 04:54.59 | Shirik | is there some special trick? |
| 04:54.59 | Shirik | (Aside from running >.> ) |
| 04:55.21 | Corrodias | what do you think of this for an overall pvp, pve, raid, "don't want to respec ever" sort of build? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0VZZVAGIRfLsrot |
| 04:55.45 | Shirik | ok so I'm not being stupid :P |
| 04:55.48 | Corrodias | instead of skimping on shatter, i should probably skimp on something else |
| 04:56.07 | Corrodias | for me? feral charge, probably, although the charge is still slowed by the chill |
| 04:57.04 | Corrodias | maybe i should drop elemental precision and fill in some missing points there |
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| 04:58.22 | Corrodias | 5 in shatter and 4 in winter's chill |
| 05:05.06 | Tem | you need 5 in shatter |
| 05:05.09 | Tem | winter's chill is meh |
| 05:05.34 | Tem | I would put the 2 points you have there in magic absorbtion |
| 05:06.20 | Tem | actually |
| 05:06.21 | Tem | no |
| 05:06.34 | Tem | put them in that one they're adding +5% frost damage to |
| 05:07.42 | Tem | wait a sec, Corrodias |
| 05:07.42 | Tem | I'm in a WSG |
| 05:07.57 | Corrodias | k |
| 05:08.05 | Corrodias | what one that who's adding +5% frost damage to |
| 05:08.25 | Corrodias | i was just thinking about boss fights, more crits is more damage for the lowly frost mage |
| 05:09.17 | Corrodias | you may be able to tell that i have barely played in parties in a dps role. i don't know if crits are a good idea here or not. |
| 05:09.37 | raevanmorlock | I hate when I have a need for code I wrote awhile ago and can't remember where I wrote it at >_< |
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| 05:10.30 | earthmeLon | Howdy |
| 05:10.42 | Tem | Corrodias, for raids, winter's chill is pretty nice |
| 05:10.47 | Tem | but... |
| 05:10.49 | Tem | meh |
| 05:11.05 | Corrodias | but a level 29 mage doesn't have to think about those for a while, you think? |
| 05:11.32 | Tem | a while indeed |
| 05:12.00 | Corrodias | what was that about something adding +5% damage? |
| 05:12.34 | Tem | one sec |
| 05:12.42 | Tem | arctic winds |
| 05:12.49 | Tem | (I'm dead so I have 20 seconds to talk) |
| 05:12.56 | Corrodias | okay, this is a PTR change? |
| 05:13.21 | Corrodias | i see it. reading patch notes now. |
| 05:14.54 | Corrodias | "Stolen buffs that affect specific spells from the original target's class will no longer have any effect for the mage." |
| 05:14.59 | Corrodias | i am curious as to how this is manifest on the live realms |
| 05:15.01 | Tem | no idea what that means |
| 05:15.32 | Tem | Corrodias, I like this build over the one you posted |
| 05:15.34 | Tem | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0VZZVqGIofxsbqt |
| 05:16.32 | Tem | winter's chill will give a better net damage boost on a bossfight than arctic winds will, but it's more or less useless in pvp |
| 05:17.07 | Corrodias | hmmm |
| 05:17.22 | earthmeLon | Hey you guys, I'm trying to get to The Grim Guzzler. ( http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Grim_Guzzler ) anybody mind helping me out? |
| 05:17.42 | Corrodias | 1) enter BRD. 2) get there. |
| 05:17.47 | earthmeLon | ... |
| 05:18.06 | earthmeLon | Thats my problem |
| 05:18.18 | earthmeLon | Im in BRD and can't find it |
| 05:18.28 | Corrodias | is BRD not linear? |
| 05:18.39 | earthmeLon | Not really |
| 05:18.53 | earthmeLon | I just got a key |
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| 05:21.09 | Nom- | If you're going deep frost, winters' chill is the only way to fly |
| 05:21.32 | Corrodias | seems to me any pve encounter longer than a regular same-level mob could benefit |
| 05:21.44 | Nom- | it's most useful for boss fights |
| 05:21.55 | Nom- | Even tough trash doesn't help that much |
| 05:21.59 | Karrion | earthmeLon: this might or might not help http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/instances/blackrockdepths.php |
| 05:22.13 | Nom- | You don't get any real benefit until you start pushing 10-15 frostbolts |
| 05:22.18 | Karrion | BRD is big and hard to give directions around |
| 05:22.31 | earthmeLon | hehe, yeah |
| 05:22.43 | earthmeLon | Well, I was looking at that map, actually |
| 05:22.51 | Corrodias | BRD? doesn't it just have two branches? |
| 05:23.00 | earthmeLon | If anybody knew how to get there, and could give me hint using numbers, that would help |
| 05:23.01 | Nom- | The Grim Guzzler is where you end up if you don't go through the top of the arena |
| 05:23.20 | earthmeLon | So, you fight all of those big rock guys? |
| 05:23.24 | Shadowed | Go left, open door, go right, open door, go left, open door, unlock the lock using your key, go up the stairs and go left, follow that into the bridge and keep going until you have a choice of going left or right, go right, go left and follow that area until you reach the elementals, go past them and you're in the bar |
| 05:23.26 | earthmeLon | and keep going |
| 05:23.27 | Shadowed | which is where guzzler is |
| 05:23.28 | Nom- | Before that i think |
| 05:23.38 | JunkHead-Work | Hello. |
| 05:23.44 | earthmeLon | I fkn love you Shadowed |
| 05:23.48 | Shadowed | If I remember who Grim Guzzler is correctly |
| 05:24.05 | earthmeLon | Its a bar |
| 05:24.11 | Shadowed | then yes that'll get you to the bar |
| 05:25.34 | earthmeLon | So, i unlock that first door on the left, and then the first door on the right, then the first door on the left. |
| 05:25.41 | earthmeLon | Now in this room, there is something you can activate |
| 05:25.52 | earthmeLon | That opens the bridge up. Do I need to activate that? |
| 05:26.08 | Corrodias | i love my druid so much |
| 05:26.10 | earthmeLon | wait |
| 05:26.13 | earthmeLon | I think i got it |
| 05:26.14 | earthmeLon | thanks man |
| 05:26.23 | Corrodias | it's damn near obvious what build to choose, what talents to choose, per spec |
| 05:26.35 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 05:26.35 | Corrodias | i don't have to spend much time agonizing over just where to put those last 4 points with a druid |
| 05:26.35 | Nom- | yes you need to open the door thing |
| 05:26.45 | Nom- | it's not to do with the bridge, it actually opens a door |
| 05:27.01 | Tem | 10 of the 20 new and updated" spots on wowi are wasted |
| 05:27.43 | Corrodias | compilations? |
| 05:27.49 | Tem | yeah |
| 05:28.41 | Nom- | anyone know if SC2 has been officially announced yet ? |
| 05:28.52 | Corrodias | sorry, nom, soul calibur 2 was out years ago |
| 05:28.57 | Corrodias | you're just behind the times |
| 05:29.02 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:29.03 | Shadowed | 10? |
| 05:29.10 | Tem | 10 |
| 05:29.14 | Tem | and I |
| 05:29.16 | Tem | 'm |
| 05:29.18 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:29.19 | Tem | fricking sick of it |
| 05:29.22 | Shadowed | boggle at people |
| 05:29.35 | Shadowed | i'm suprised nobodies just banned them yet unless they're extensive changes |
| 05:29.35 | Tem | compilations by their nature piss me off |
| 05:29.41 | Shadowed | because they don't ask for permission? |
| 05:29.49 | Shadowed | and don't usually update as quickly |
| 05:29.57 | Tem | 2 reasons |
| 05:30.22 | Tem | 1) I hate bug reports for things that have been fixed for 2 releases but they haven't updated |
| 05:30.27 | Tem | 2) they don't ask permission |
| 05:30.50 | Tem | 3) any noob can zip their addon folder and zomg release a `compilation` |
| 05:30.57 | Corrodias | (and they DO) |
| 05:31.24 | Tem | hah |
| 05:31.29 | Corrodias | in any environment with halfways decent respect for copyright, people do things like this by distributing only configuration files, not distributing the program files (or addon files) themselves |
| 05:32.23 | Shadowed | Tem |
| 05:32.25 | Shadowed | thats 3 reasons |
| 05:32.34 | Tem | the third came to me later |
| 05:32.41 | Karrion | 4) and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope? |
| 05:32.43 | Shadowed | you still lied and i'm hurt |
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| 05:35.13 | Shiri1 | as I was trying to say before my ISP became stupid |
| 05:35.49 | Shiri1 | One particular compilation comes to mind that really annoys me. Out of respect of the rules of this room, I won't name it, but I'm sure a few of you agree with me (I know at least Neuro does) |
| 05:39.45 | Shadowed | If they do extensive modifications or additions it's not *as* bad since at least it's somewhat unique |
| 05:39.59 | Shirik | http://www.guardianhq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11963&st=0&#entry105905 map of online communities, rather amusing |
| 05:40.05 | Shirik | Shadowed: I agree |
| 05:40.06 | Shirik | but you still have to give credit where it's due |
| 05:40.08 | Karrion | zomg |
| 05:40.10 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 05:40.29 | Tem | Shirik, I know which compilation you're talking about |
| 05:40.34 | Tem | and I wholeheartedly agree |
| 05:40.36 | Karrion | I was about to say that one of the advantages of having a not-so-popular mod was not having it included in compilations |
| 05:40.48 | Tem | but that one is mostly hatred for the author |
| 05:40.48 | Karrion | but I just looked at one and it is! >.> |
| 05:40.53 | Corrodias | i have seen many such maps |
| 05:40.56 | Tem | he annoys the PISS out of me |
| 05:40.58 | Shirik | Karrion: gg. |
| 05:41.16 | Shirik | Tem: Hm, I can say at least partially that's my reason too |
| 05:41.24 | Corrodias | this map? it is poor. |
| 05:41.33 | Tem | also the fact that he expects donations |
| 05:41.35 | Shirik | I liked it :( |
| 05:41.37 | Corrodias | it looks old, actually. very old. |
| 05:41.38 | Karrion | no copyright issue with mine though, I explicitly give redistribution permission |
| 05:43.11 | Tem | 4chan should be in the sea of memes |
| 05:43.33 | Shadowed | Well that compilation is a whole other issue |
| 05:43.47 | Shadowed | and more towards the attitude |
| 05:44.01 | Arrowmaster | hmm wow login servers seem borked |
| 05:44.09 | Shirik | GOOD |
| 05:44.11 | Shirik | now you know how I feel! |
| 05:44.17 | Shirik | Waiting for this damn client to download! |
| 05:44.19 | Shirik | Writhe in pain!! |
| 05:44.31 | Tem | another thing that gets under my skin about that particular compilation is that people FLOCK to it |
| 05:44.43 | Tem | I personally think his art is ugly |
| 05:44.44 | Shadowed | people are sheep |
| 05:44.45 | Shadowed | duh :p |
| 05:45.05 | Shirik | I think it's because of the ease of use |
| 05:45.14 | Tem | I tried to use it |
| 05:45.15 | Shirik | Hate to say it, people are stupid |
| 05:45.17 | Tem | it wasn't very easy |
| 05:45.18 | Shirik | KISS lives strong. |
| 05:45.30 | Shirik | never tried it :P |
| 05:45.30 | Tem | and it fucked up my action bars |
| 05:45.43 | Tem | which I couldn't back up because they're stored on the server |
| 05:45.44 | Shirik | ^^ WHY I never tried it :P |
| 05:46.44 | Shirik | is this valid perl? @$#()*UD()IIF# |
| 05:46.50 | Shadowed | Nobodies made an addon to backup the bars yet? |
| 05:46.57 | Shadowed | although sucks to be you if you're using non-standard ones |
| 05:47.14 | Tem | he moved my spells around |
| 05:47.34 | Shadowed | magically? |
| 05:47.37 | Corrodias | this addon sounds pretty crappy already |
| 05:47.38 | Shadowed | Shirik, wouldn't suprise me |
| 05:47.52 | Tem | and he screwed up my keybinds too, but I had those backed up |
| 05:48.27 | Corrodias | rule #1 of writing addons: don't make any changes that can't be undone by disabling the addon unless the user has explicitly asked the addon to do so |
| 05:48.56 | Corrodias | i can't believe this isn't obvious to some people, but apparently it isn't |
| 05:49.00 | Shirik | Lol: http://bash.org/?756797 |
| 05:49.16 | Shirik | what, you mean iterating over all CVars and setting them all to 0 isn't a good idea? |
| 05:50.31 | Corrodias | not unless you're that guy about whom you are talking but whose name i can't remember anyway |
| 05:50.35 | Corrodias | oh now i do. never mind. |
| 05:55.19 | Tem | Shirik, did you see the thread where he said something like: "I'm really burnt out. Making this wasn't as rewarding as I expected it to be." |
| 05:55.32 | Shirik | ayup |
| 05:55.36 | Tem | next sentence made reference to "number of donations too small" |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | I think I posted in that thread |
| 05:55.46 | Shirik | though I didn't say anything bad |
| 05:55.48 | Tem | oh yummy |
| 05:55.50 | Tem | what'd you say? |
| 05:55.54 | Tem | :( |
| 05:56.06 | Shirik | sorry :( I try to be a little tactful >< |
| 05:56.14 | Tem | noobs keep bumping it with "can I suck your cock?" |
| 05:56.26 | Shirik | but what was going through my mind at the time was radically different from what I posted |
| 05:56.26 | Tem | not in so many words |
| 05:56.29 | Tem | but you get the idea |
| 05:56.46 | Tem | it's _so_ hard for me to not flame the HELL out of him |
| 05:56.59 | Corrodias | "thank you so much for putting so very many folders into one archive file"? |
| 05:57.01 | Shirik | 31 minutes left on client download.... do I keep going >.> |
| 05:57.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:57.16 | Corrodias | i would never have been able to figure out how to download 10 addons |
| 05:57.20 | Corrodias | you're a godsend! |
| 05:57.34 | Shirik | Back to the topic, I have never asked for donations |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | We have a link up there, but we don't specifically say anything about it |
| 05:57.47 | Shirik | if people find it, then yay |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | but I don't care about getting money for it |
| 05:58.16 | Shirik | I do it because I enjoy it |
| 05:58.50 | Shirik | Cairenn: how was hockey? |
| 05:58.52 | Tem | it /really/ gets under my skin when people ask for donations like they deserve them |
| 05:58.54 | Shirik | Any fights? |
| 05:59.02 | Cairenn | not really |
| 05:59.02 | Shirik | it's not hockey if there isn't at least one fight |
| 05:59.26 | Tem | (even when they do deserve them) |
| 05:59.30 | Cairenn | personally I hate it when I go for a night at the fights and a hockey game breaks out :p |
| 05:59.31 | Corrodias | "Feral Charge now suppresses all Slowing effects while charging the target." |
| 05:59.50 | Corrodias | huzzah! i've seen some damn slow charges in my time |
| 06:00.04 | Tem | actually, lack of humility in general just pisses me off |
| 06:00.18 | Tem | asking for donations is just an extension of that |
| 06:00.21 | Cairenn | but I'm a happy camper regardless, we won :) |
| 06:00.45 | Tem | same with people that say asking for a good rating |
| 06:00.59 | Shirik | see, that's one little problem |
| 06:01.13 | Shirik | I think the best programmers are people who like what they do. This is very different from many other jobs |
| 06:01.30 | Tem | s/say asking/say stuff asking/ |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | there are a lot of jobs where people do it just because you get paid a lot to do it. If you go into programming for that reason, then you're about to kill yourself. |
| 06:02.11 | Shirik | Tem: btw, turns out I didn't post in that thread, but I read it :P |
| 06:02.30 | Tem | Cairenn, can you ban me from that whole sub forum? |
| 06:02.34 | Corrodias | i am not particularly -interested- in programming, but it can be fun at times |
| 06:02.38 | Shirik | Cairenn: Who's "we"? |
| 06:02.38 | Cairenn | without even reading the log, why is it that I know precisely who you are talking about? |
| 06:02.40 | Shirik | Tem: rofl |
| 06:02.43 | Karrion | Shirik: agreed, although the programming I do for my job is a bit different from making a mod because I enjoy it |
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| 06:02.50 | Corrodias | but my job doesn't consist entirely of programming, which is just as well |
| 06:02.50 | Tem | because really, it's only a matter of time before I do something I regret in there |
| 06:02.51 | Cairenn | RedWings of course, duh |
| 06:02.53 | kergoth | i love coding, it was my hobby, so i took it up as a career, and now i despise it :P |
| 06:03.00 | Shirik | Eeeq |
| 06:03.02 | Shirik | eew* |
| 06:03.03 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 06:03.14 | Tem | lol |
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| 06:03.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:03.28 | Cairenn | anything else you want to say? |
| 06:03.31 | Shirik | As I was saying |
| 06:03.33 | Corrodias | "Omen of Clarity: This spell is no longer castable in Tree of Life Form or Moonkin Form." -- was this really a problem? |
| 06:03.35 | Shirik | Red Wings are awesome |
| 06:03.39 | Cairenn | good boy |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | like the buffalo wings. Now the hockey team on the other hand... |
| 06:03.55 | Corrodias | were people complaining on the druid forum that we were OP because we could refresh omen of clarity without shifting out of tree form? |
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| 06:04.16 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:04.39 | Shirik | on a more serious note, since when is hockey played in the summer? |
| 06:05.00 | Shirik | I thought it was a winter sport |
| 06:05.03 | Cairenn | it isn't summer, it's only spring, and been this way for a long time now |
| 06:05.07 | Corrodias | "Teleport: Moonglade: This spell is no longer castable in Tree of Life Form." -- are you kidding me? why bother? |
| 06:05.37 | Shirik | eh, SUA/07 has started here so I consider it summer :P |
| 06:05.52 | Shirik | Corrodias: That's almost as bad as the damn flare nerf |
| 06:07.11 | Corrodias | the flare nerf is actually effective against hunters in an arena against stealthed opponents... |
| 06:07.25 | Shirik | ah maybe that's why :/ |
| 06:07.29 | Shirik | I really don't do arena |
| 06:07.37 | Shirik | but in world pvp, etc., flare is already useless |
| 06:07.51 | Shirik | even if you know there's a rogue around |
| 06:08.16 | Corrodias | oh yeah, battlegrounds and especially the arena see flare out whenever the hunter can't find all the opponents |
| 06:08.28 | Corrodias | currently they can have two up at once |
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| 06:16.08 | Shirik | :< 30 minutes ago the downloader said 35 minutes remaining |
| 06:16.14 | Shirik | now it says 54 |
| 06:19.50 | Shadowed | Shirik: I swear |
| 06:19.56 | Shadowed | if you're being serious about the flare nerf |
| 06:19.58 | Shadowed | i'm going to stab you |
| 06:20.04 | Shirik | Oh I am |
| 06:20.10 | Shirik | Flare is worthless already. |
| 06:20.17 | Shadowed | boggle |
| 06:20.23 | Shirik | Worthless. |
| 06:20.27 | Shirik | As in it's worse than doing nothing |
| 06:20.37 | Shirik | because it wastes mana |
| 06:20.37 | Shirik | and accomplishes nothing |
| 06:20.46 | Corrodias | if you don't pvp, sure |
| 06:20.47 | Shadowed | It's not offensive anymore |
| 06:20.49 | Shadowed | it's defensive |
| 06:20.57 | Shadowed | and still overpowered |
| 06:21.01 | Shirik | you can't even stick it on yourself |
| 06:21.07 | Shirik | because the radius is so small |
| 06:21.14 | Shirik | by the time it lights up the rogue, he's already got you stunned |
| 06:21.54 | Corrodias | this is not my experience |
| 06:22.14 | Shirik | then you don't have very good rogues on your server :P |
| 06:22.24 | Shirik | the radius is,.. what |
| 06:22.27 | Corrodias | or we have better hunters than you hvae |
| 06:22.28 | Corrodias | *have |
| 06:22.34 | Shirik | radius is probably about 5 yards |
| 06:22.40 | Shadowed | Shirik |
| 06:22.42 | Shadowed | defensive |
| 06:22.44 | Shadowed | defensive |
| 06:22.51 | Shirik | okok, defensive |
| 06:22.59 | Shirik | so how do you use it "defensively" |
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| 06:23.17 | Shadowed | Stick it on top of a trap near a flag and stand on it so you can't easly be sapped |
| 06:23.23 | Shadowed | Stick it on the middle of the b ridge in BEM |
| 06:23.28 | Shirik | might as well just use the trap |
| 06:23.32 | Shadowed | not really |
| 06:23.32 | Shirik | and no flare |
| 06:23.37 | Shadowed | I can CLoS the trap and sap you |
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| 06:23.49 | Shirik | CLoS? |
| 06:23.52 | Shadowed | Cloak of Shadows |
| 06:23.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:24.00 | Shirik | not CoS? |
| 06:24.02 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:24.03 | Shadowed | It's an amazing spell, everyone knows it's overpowered except hunters |
| 06:24.05 | Shadowed | CoS = Curse of Shadows |
| 06:24.12 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:24.14 | Shirik | details |
| 06:24.25 | Shirik | and... it's ok |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | every class has their powerful spel |
| 06:27.54 | Shadowed | ah Warlocks |
| 06:27.55 | Shadowed | how i hate you |
| 06:28.03 | Shadowed | and your stupid pets with the bug that hasn't been fixed for 3 years |
| 06:28.12 | Shirik | what bug is that? |
| 06:28.16 | Shadowed | pet one |
| 06:28.24 | Shirik | .. |
| 06:28.28 | Shadowed | where they send the pet after you and it's gg unless you have vanish |
| 06:28.28 | Shirik | what pet bug is that? |
| 06:28.35 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:28.40 | Shirik | they fixed that for hunters didn't they? |
| 06:28.48 | Shadowed | no they said it's "working as intended" last i checked |
| 06:28.49 | Shirik | used to work for us as well |
| 06:28.55 | Shirik | ??! |
| 06:29.15 | Shadowed | probably lost 3-4 games because i couldn't restealth to sap the warlock |
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| 06:34.33 | AnduinLothar | any pallies around? |
| 06:34.45 | Shirik | lv 8 |
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| 06:50.25 | Elkano | Nargiddley, anything ne on Baggins? ^^ |
| 06:53.51 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:53.54 | Tem | on new servers |
| 06:54.00 | Tem | is AQ still closed? |
| 06:54.39 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 06:54.49 | Shirik | is it? |
| 06:54.51 | Shadowed | pretty sure they're closed but the NPCs to help with gathering are active immeditally |
| 06:54.54 | Shadowed | immeditially even |
| 06:55.01 | Shirik | I thought they decided something like after a specific time all servers would open it |
| 06:55.18 | Shirik | least that's what it said on the war progression page way back when |
| 06:55.31 | Shadowed | Well the NPCs gather like 2-3% a day if i remember right |
| 06:55.44 | Shirik | ah didn't even know that existed |
| 06:56.04 | Tem | that's a shame |
| 06:56.06 | Shadowed | so if they're doing 2% a day, thats only like 5-6 weeks...and it's going to be pretty hard to get 40 people in that time frame |
| 06:56.18 | Tem | so you can't do the event anymore |
| 06:56.27 | Shadowed | you can do the chain still, just not the 10hr kill fest |
| 06:56.29 | Shadowed | s/kill/lag/ |
| 06:56.36 | Tem | well, you wouldn't need 40 people anymore |
| 06:56.37 | Shadowed | s/lag/crash/ |
| 06:56.50 | Shadowed | If you're waiting for 70s then you're sitll going to have a hard time getting 20-30 peope in that time frame |
| 06:56.54 | Shadowed | still even! |
| 06:57.08 | Tem | but you wouldn't be able to level to a high enough level to do it before the gates open on their own |
| 06:57.15 | Tem | I'm talking about the bug mount |
| 06:58.23 | Tem | you wouldn't be able to grind to neutral |
| 06:58.34 | Tem | even if you magically had the people and gear to deal with BWL |
| 06:59.04 | Shadowed | Warlock/AP Mage, what a lovely combo to play against |
| 06:59.15 | Shadowed | Yeah thats correct |
| 06:59.36 | Shadowed | then again, I really doubt anyone really cares enough to get the mount given the work you need to put into it |
| 07:00.06 | Shadowed | Given the amount of mats and BWL runs and such |
| 07:00.10 | Tem | right |
| 07:00.14 | Tem | woah |
| 07:00.17 | Tem | what mount is this? http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ssotd/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=900&Set=0 |
| 07:00.30 | Shadowed | It's off attunement in kara |
| 07:00.38 | Shadowed | attunement the something not sure exact name |
| 07:01.07 | Tem | it's like the baron's mount? |
| 07:01.12 | Tem | (which I will eventually farm) |
| 07:01.35 | Shirik | Shadowed: Attumen |
| 07:02.10 | Shirik | attumen the huntsman |
| 07:02.45 | Shadowed | I was close! |
| 07:02.51 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 07:02.51 | Shadowed | Tem yes it's like baron's mount and TF |
| 07:02.58 | Shadowed | You'll do 50,000 runs and it |
| 07:03.06 | Shadowed | it'll never drop, then one day somebody will get it on their first run |
| 07:03.14 | Shirik | yup, and it's still worthless |
| 07:03.14 | Tem | heh |
| 07:03.17 | Shirik | 100% ground mount |
| 07:03.20 | Shirik | though... it looks badass |
| 07:03.24 | Tem | I still want it |
| 07:03.30 | Tem | worthless or not |
| 07:03.36 | Shadowed | k i need to stop alt tabbing out before game crashes and i get yelled at for losing game |
| 07:03.47 | Shirik | I'd use it just cause it looks badass |
| 07:03.52 | Shirik | I don't really care about things being usefull |
| 07:03.55 | Shirik | not like I play anyway |
| 07:04.00 | AnduinLothar | eventually you'll prolly be able to 5 man it with gear from the upper instances |
| 07:04.10 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 07:04.12 | Shirik | only time will tell |
| 07:04.13 | AnduinLothar | course you still cant farm or reset it |
| 07:04.22 | Shirik | yeh |
| 07:04.29 | Tem | oh MC |
| 07:04.49 | Tem | I was like.. I can farm strath at 65 solo |
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| 07:05.02 | Tem | what is this "5 man" you're talking about |
| 07:05.18 | Shirik | kara |
| 07:05.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:05.57 | AnduinLothar | mc's been 7mann'ed, ne? |
| 07:06.14 | Tem | dunno |
| 07:06.25 | Tem | we tried to 3 man ony |
| 07:06.28 | Shirik | dunno, but ony's been 3-manned at 60 |
| 07:06.28 | Shirik | so a tank I know was gonna try to 2 man it |
| 07:06.28 | Shirik | at 70 |
| 07:06.35 | Tem | phase 1 was flawless |
| 07:06.48 | Tem | but we didn't have enough ranged dps for phase 2 |
| 07:06.48 | Shirik | we tried to 5-man at 60 but only got to about 80% |
| 07:07.20 | Tem | I've been part of a 10 man ony |
| 07:07.25 | Tem | (at 60) |
| 07:07.53 | AnduinLothar | dont think u can 2 man it |
| 07:07.53 | AnduinLothar | what happens on ghedon? |
| 07:08.15 | AnduinLothar | we 7 manned ony @ 70.. with 3 60's |
| 07:08.16 | Shirik | god I hate the blizzard downloader |
| 07:08.16 | Tem | survive the bomb |
| 07:08.18 | Shirik | you know there's a serious problem when you've uploaded more than you've downloaded |
| 07:08.20 | Shirik | serious. |
| 07:08.32 | Tem | Shirik, so extract the torrent and use a real torrent client |
| 07:08.40 | Shirik | you can do this? |
| 07:08.44 | Tem | yeah |
| 07:08.47 | Shirik | besides I'm at 99% now I'm not retrying now |
| 07:08.48 | Cairenn | yup |
| 07:08.54 | Tem | I've never done it myself, but I know it can be done |
| 07:09.24 | Tem | oh sweet, they changed the flight path to light's hope |
| 07:09.30 | Tem | it's less roundabout |
| 07:09.35 | Tem | oh hell |
| 07:09.39 | Tem | I forgot my rune of the dawn |
| 07:09.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:09.58 | Shirik | yey finally downloaded :D |
| 07:10.01 | Shirik | now I can log in again |
| 07:10.11 | Shirik | and I should probably go to sleep cause it's 3am... |
| 07:10.20 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 07:10.24 | Tem | it would be great to threaten the kids with |
| 07:10.33 | Shirik | thinking this didn't download correctly.... |
| 07:10.44 | Tem | ouch |
| 07:10.51 | Cairenn | =( |
| 07:11.02 | Shirik | check out this screenshot |
| 07:12.02 | Tem | Shirik, can you link me to that map of the internet again? |
| 07:12.21 | Tem | nevermind |
| 07:12.23 | Tem | found it |
| 07:12.51 | Shirik | http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotenduserlicensgj5.png |
| 07:12.51 | Cairenn | *clicks the non-existent link* |
| 07:13.14 | Cairenn | ummm, wow |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 07:13.51 | Cairenn | yeah, I'd say that's a bit off |
| 07:13.58 | Shirik | in theory |
| 07:14.07 | Shirik | assuming this installs correctly |
| 07:14.16 | Shirik | I can now do anything I want because they never showed me the EULA, right? :D |
| 07:14.50 | Shirik | and it does appear to be installing... which means either everything's ok except for that, or I'm completely fubaring my wow install right now |
| 07:14.51 | Cairenn | oh please just don't even go there |
| 07:14.54 | Shirik | :P |
| 07:15.46 | Shadowed | wheee |
| 07:15.49 | Shadowed | die warlocks die |
| 07:17.12 | Tem | I would really like to understand how it's possible for a warlock to fear me and kill me with dots alone before I ever come out of fear |
| 07:17.12 | Shadowed | good question |
| 07:17.13 | Shadowed | thats why i use cloak of shadows |
| 07:17.20 | Tem | it's not that I have a small hp pool |
| 07:17.38 | Shirik | imo |
| 07:17.49 | Shirik | warlocks' power would be ok if they just made it so that fear actually breaks |
| 07:17.49 | Shadowed | I'm doing 2vs2 with a disc priest and i have 8.1k with no resilience |
| 07:18.01 | Shadowed | it's certainly interesting going up against warlock/shadow priest |
| 07:18.07 | Shirik | zomg I think it installed ok o.o |
| 07:18.20 | Tem | well, I do, but not small enough that dots should be able to kill me before dimishing returns kicks in on the fear |
| 07:18.48 | Shadowed | Doesn't mage PVP trinket remove fear |
| 07:19.15 | Shadowed | oh nice |
| 07:19.20 | Shadowed | 2.1 in "final bugfixing and testing mode" |
| 07:19.25 | Shadowed | Wonder if that means this week |
| 07:19.27 | Shirik | :( have to install patch 2.0.12 now >.> |
| 07:20.34 | Tem | Shadowed, it does |
| 07:20.42 | Tem | but that only helps me once every 5 minutes |
| 07:20.51 | Tem | fear has no cooldown, last I checked |
| 07:20.52 | Shadowed | go farm honor then it's 2m! |
| 07:21.04 | Tem | oh the new trinket is a 2m trinket? |
| 07:21.08 | Tem | oh that's pretty hot |
| 07:21.12 | Tem | I might actually buy it |
| 07:21.15 | Tem | I have the honor |
| 07:21.16 | norgs | Shirik: I don't know what you agreed to with that EULA, but I read a little bit of gobbledygook, and I think it has something to do with aliens and probes. |
| 07:21.18 | AnduinLothar | ya, it needs to say that on the trinket.. |
| 07:21.22 | Shadowed | Yeah |
| 07:21.30 | Shadowed | If you wait till 2.1 it'll be 19k |
| 07:21.43 | AnduinLothar | that less than it is now? |
| 07:22.00 | Shadowed | currently it's like 24k |
| 07:22.05 | AnduinLothar | oh nice |
| 07:22.30 | AnduinLothar | if i had 24 i'd get a chest |
| 07:22.47 | Shadowed | Chest will be like 20k i think |
| 07:22.50 | Shadowed | everythings being reduced |
| 07:23.11 | AnduinLothar | that might entice me to pvp more |
| 07:23.34 | AnduinLothar | i just spent all the honor i'd made since TBC on bracers |
| 07:24.17 | Shadowed | i've got to get uh |
| 07:24.26 | Shadowed | 5 pieces of HWL, 2M trinket, ring, neck, bracers, belt, boots and neck |
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| 07:27.35 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 07:27.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+AnduinLothar> Mr_Rabies: pong |
| 07:27.43 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 07:27.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully we're both here now |
| 07:27.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | night cair |
| 07:27.56 | AnduinLothar | you wanted me? |
| 07:29.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 07:30.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | was just wondering if you've had time to test damagemeters' whisper function stuff with 2.1's whisper throttling |
| 07:31.27 | AnduinLothar | no, i haven't |
| 07:31.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suppose i can |
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| 07:35.20 | Karrion | night all |
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| 07:56.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay the whisper throttler doesnt seem to be doing anything |
| 07:57.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm whispering myself my damagemeters as fast as i can click, with 6 alts, and no dice on getting dc'd |
| 08:03.55 | AnduinLothar | 'unsolicited'? |
| 08:06.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | huhwha |
| 08:07.36 | AnduinLothar | it says it throttles unsolicited whispers |
| 08:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does it know if it's solicited or not :O |
| 08:09.50 | AnduinLothar | that's the ? |
| 08:10.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | if someone on alliance wants to hop on the ptr |
| 08:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna make a level 1 human warrior named nihao or something along those lines and spam you my damagemeter |
| 08:11.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god i cant logout mobileframes is eating my frames or something |
| 08:12.24 | AnduinLothar | ya bunch bugs in various things. the bop one is a bitch |
| 08:14.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | well then |
| 08:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's interesting |
| 08:14.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have my interface for the opening movie |
| 08:16.11 | JunkHead-Work | I have oranges. |
| 08:16.30 | JunkHead-Work | In case anyone was wondering. |
| 08:17.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | congratulations |
| 08:17.17 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah. |
| 08:17.19 | JunkHead-Work | Thanks. |
| 08:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone get on the pve ptr so i can spam you :[ |
| 08:17.32 | JunkHead-Work | It was the little Mandarin kind in a fruit cup.:D |
| 08:18.21 | AnduinLothar | andylothar on pve |
| 08:19.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | alliance |
| 08:20.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | ? |
| 08:20.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | one sec lemme log on on there |
| 08:20.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna get some massive spam from cupomangel, don't add me to friends or anything |
| 08:21.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | that may whitelist you from the filter |
| 08:21.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i unno |
| 08:21.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | not showing up AL |
| 08:22.06 | AnduinLothar | hmm.. pvp? |
| 08:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | SURE |
| 08:22.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | eep |
| 08:22.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure |
| 08:22.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | sec |
| 08:23.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | incoming spam |
| 08:25.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man it won't stop |
| 08:25.13 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:25.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much spam have you gotten so far |
| 08:25.39 | AnduinLothar | DM also has it's own throttling... |
| 08:25.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | just a few instances of the spam or a lot? |
| 08:25.43 | AnduinLothar | it's still going |
| 08:26.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm getting "the number of messages that can be sent is limited, please wait to send another message" |
| 08:26.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | every now and then |
| 08:26.22 | AnduinLothar | it comes in chunks of 6 every few seconds |
| 08:26.58 | AnduinLothar | about 8 sec in between chunkc |
| 08:27.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it doesnt seem effected, dmeters |
| 08:27.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | only if you're reporting a full raid maybe |
| 08:28.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god how many times did i click it |
| 08:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | FINALLY |
| 08:28.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it stops |
| 08:28.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh no |
| 08:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it didnt |
| 08:28.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh thats you |
| 08:28.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | semms to be going full speed for you |
| 08:29.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i didn't get slowwed on ym end at all |
| 08:29.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe because it's now solicited |
| 08:29.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | or something |
| 08:29.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 08:30.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | you log off or get kicked off for spamming |
| 08:30.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh there you are again |
| 08:31.02 | AnduinLothar | i relogged |
| 08:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's delayed |
| 08:31.12 | AnduinLothar | and now it's throttling my tells |
| 08:31.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | so replying = establishing solicitation |
| 08:31.33 | AnduinLothar | sounds right |
| 08:31.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i reply |
| 08:31.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the flood gates open |
| 08:31.50 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
| 08:32.25 | AnduinLothar | bet it's purely clientside |
| 08:32.37 | AnduinLothar | per session |
| 08:33.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | delayed again |
| 08:33.02 | AnduinLothar | reload didn't change it |
| 08:33.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 08:33.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 08:33.20 | AnduinLothar | so, jsut relog |
| 08:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | must have been you messinf with it |
| 08:33.56 | AnduinLothar | that's fine by me.. it doesn't log you off |
| 08:34.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, so they can see exactly how much spam |
| 08:34.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | first wave or two is nonthrottled |
| 08:35.14 | AnduinLothar | heh you can get booted when it's solicitted |
| 08:35.21 | AnduinLothar | i macro'd it and mashed it |
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| 08:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 08:36.32 | AnduinLothar | unsollicetted tho it wont log you off |
| 08:36.43 | AnduinLothar | it jsut prints the system msg if you max it |
| 08:37.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 08:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it seems to just |
| 08:37.18 | AnduinLothar | lol. you responded and it bootted me |
| 08:37.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | reset when either of us relogs |
| 08:37.38 | AnduinLothar | ok i'm done |
| 08:37.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i didn't and it was throttling again |
| 08:37.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | alrighty |
| 08:38.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | good test AL, good test *highfive* |
| 08:38.37 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 08:39.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | now time to import my wtf folder |
| 08:39.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeehawww |
| 08:41.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like to push things to the point of breaking |
| 08:41.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is probably related to my "manages to find bugs no one else could possibly manage to run into" thing |
| 08:44.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, so far, only bugs i've seen are archaeologist, mobileframes(which is being replaced with fluidframes, correct?), and buffoptions |
| 08:45.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | only using 27 mb of RAM for addons too :D |
| 08:48.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | managed to get it up to 52 mb though, loading all my LoD stuff |
| 08:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know of a way to pull up the entire addon list and check its memory usage? any addons written to do so yet, or can i just call it up with a simple /script command |
| 08:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm spamming to myself at this point, sorry :x |
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| 09:15.47 | Tem | woah |
| 09:15.54 | Tem | there's a raid portal at the back of strath |
| 09:16.06 | Tem | is that the original naxx entrance? |
| 09:16.18 | Kaso | yup |
| 09:16.40 | Kaso | But i dont think the gate actually opens ever so its impossible to walk through it like it is for BWL/MC |
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| 09:57.33 | |Marvel| | hi im trying to find a simple mod so i have more places to put my attack and healing spells . any suggestions ? |
| 09:57.59 | |Marvel| | so i dont have to click down to the next bar if you know what i mean |
| 09:58.27 | |Marvel| | i already have titan panel and meta map |
| 10:08.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit my WAU is still broken :[ |
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| 10:14.02 | [Ammo] | WAU is not broken |
| 10:14.08 | [Ammo] | the files section on wowace has some problems |
| 10:15.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they're not playing well with each other |
| 10:15.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it may as well be >:[ |
| 10:25.52 | Kaso | |Marvel| |
| 10:26.22 | Kaso | I currently use Bartender3 for my actionbars, its quite nice, customisable pretty well also. |
| 10:27.49 | |Marvel| | cheers kaso il take a look |
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| 10:43.15 | Tem | what's the normal AH's cut for selling something? |
| 10:43.24 | Tem | isn't the neutral cut 15%? |
| 10:44.49 | Kaso | I'd be on http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Auction_House |
| 10:44.53 | Kaso | but it aint loading >.< |
| 10:45.03 | Kaso | cant wait till wiki moves to wikia |
| 10:45.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | the built in blizzard UI has a few extra bars, |Marvel| |
| 10:45.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | in interface options |
| 10:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're more or less not customizable, but thems the breaks with default UI |
| 10:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can customize the buttons but that's about it |
| 10:46.50 | Neebler | the default User Interface skin needs a complete rehaul, the extra buttons that sit on top and to the sides wern't originally planned and seem out of place |
| 10:47.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i turn off the gryphons, so it looks fine to me :p |
| 10:47.18 | Kaso | Tem, for normal AH: Cut = 0.05 * Winning Bid |
| 10:47.25 | Kaso | for netural: Cut = 0.15 * Winning Bid |
| 10:47.28 | Neebler | but I suppose they'll wait for an expansion to revamp the UI, instead of doing it in a patch |
| 10:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's looked the same for me...oh...since i first installed cosmos in beta |
| 10:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | without the gryphons it looks fine, imo |
| 10:48.19 | Neebler | but thats the default UI almost everyone uses |
| 10:48.19 | Tem | Kaso, so if the buyer pays 100g, the seller gets 95g + listing price in the mail? |
| 10:48.37 | Kaso | correct |
| 10:48.45 | Kaso | as far as wowwiki tells me at least |
| 10:49.04 | zenzelezz | my only gripe is how buttons like the stance/stealth/pet bar ones look weird when you have the additional bottom-left bar showing |
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| 10:49.13 | Neebler | the gryphon look could be expanded vertically to adapt to the extra buttons I guess. Tho redoing a whole new one would be ideal |
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| 10:51.06 | zenzelezz | invasion of the ckknights |
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| 10:53.17 | haste | ~emulate ckknight |
| 10:53.18 | purl | hrm |
| 10:57.22 | ckknight_ | pants |
| 10:58.24 | Neebler | shirt |
| 10:58.52 | ckknight_ | touche. |
| 10:59.05 | Neebler | truth be told, I prefer pants |
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| 11:45.52 | |Marvel| | ive disabled bartender plugin from showing om my mini map lol. howd i get it back up ? |
| 11:46.37 | nevcairiel | ./bar fubar minimapAttach |
| 11:46.50 | |Marvel| | thx |
| 11:47.11 | |Marvel| | also my chat on the left has gone from view is this bartender ? |
| 11:47.32 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 11:47.57 | |Marvel| | must be titan panel or meta map |
| 11:53.10 | |Marvel| | got chat back |
| 11:53.29 | |Marvel| | ./bar fubar minimapAttach just says is disabled |
| 11:56.20 | |Marvel| | ok done it |
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| 12:00.41 | |Marvel| | all i need to do now is figure out how to remove text from health and mana bars |
| 12:00.47 | |Marvel| | and il be happy as fook |
| 12:03.38 | JoshBorke | there's a blizzard option for that |
| 12:06.48 | |Marvel| | any ideas where ? |
| 12:07.24 | JoshBorke | interface options -> status bar text |
| 12:07.27 | JoshBorke | read the tooltip for that |
| 12:08.27 | |Marvel| | found it :D |
| 12:08.30 | |Marvel| | woot all set |
| 12:13.09 | nevcairiel | So we have some people in the raid whose SW_Stats refuse to sync |
| 12:13.14 | nevcairiel | does anyone know why that happens? |
| 12:13.26 | nevcairiel | (yes, everyone on 2.0.4) |
| 12:13.43 | JoshBorke | you're not using violation? ;-P |
| 12:13.51 | JoshBorke | and actually, not a clue |
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| 12:30.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | why can't i stop watching this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=ctVrpQ-orss |
| 12:30.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
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| 12:54.43 | Shirik | I really don't understand the blizzard downloader at all |
| 12:55.11 | Shirik | how I'm downloading at 500KB/sec right now is beyond me... because under connection info, all of the "download rate"s add up to about 100 |
| 12:55.18 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:55.40 | Shirik | but I won't complain... this is the first time I've ever gotten a decent speed on it |
| 12:56.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | they probably have a seed running |
| 12:56.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that you just can't see |
| 12:57.57 | sysrage | patch day? |
| 12:58.13 | sysrage | it's not 2.1 is it? |
| 12:58.20 | Shirik | negative |
| 12:58.27 | Shirik | it's me trying to install WoW |
| 12:58.29 | sysrage | oh heh |
| 12:58.32 | Shirik | on my horrible laptop |
| 12:58.36 | Shirik | under Wine |
| 12:58.46 | Shirik | so I'm kinda amused of how this will turn out |
| 12:59.01 | Shirik | ........ |
| 12:59.06 | Shirik | so my download rate has dropped to 8KB |
| 12:59.12 | Shirik | I should learn to shut up |
| 13:00.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 13:01.46 | Kaso | Shirik, you know wow doesnt actually need to be installed, you can just copy the data over from your windows or whatever and execute it straight away |
| 13:01.59 | Shirik | well, I don't actually have it on windows either :P |
| 13:02.15 | Shirik | I don't have my desktop for about a week, so... |
| 13:02.16 | Kaso | Well there'sa problem |
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| 13:31.38 | wogist | Are there any developement tools for testing the wow ui without running wow itself? |
| 13:32.24 | Kaso | Yes |
| 13:32.29 | Kaso | Wowbench |
| 13:32.58 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 13:33.50 | wogist | cool thanks |
| 13:34.08 | Elkano | don't expect it to be working ^^ |
| 13:34.35 | Elkano | but for simple stuff you could also use a simple lua interpreter and emulate the needed functions yourself |
| 13:34.53 | wogist | I want to start playing around with lua and blizzard xml stuff |
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| 13:38.29 | Elkano | fr the XML stuff you could try the uidesigner |
| 13:38.47 | Elkano | -> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4222 |
| 13:39.11 | wogist | ah yes that scool |
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| 13:39.28 | wogist | are there tutorials which teach you lua by examples of the wow scripting thing? |
| 13:39.44 | wogist | or do i need to learn lua seperately and than work into blizzard ui? |
| 13:39.56 | wogist | I know nothing about lua at all |
| 13:40.01 | wogist | but im not new to programming at all |
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| 13:40.09 | cogwheel | you pretty much need to learn lua separately. If you have any programming experience it should be pretty easy |
| 13:40.12 | wogist | im good with php |
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| 13:40.16 | cogwheel | http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 13:40.26 | wogist | alright, thank you |
| 13:40.51 | Elkano | if you aren't new to programming, lua is most likely learning by doing + trial and error + manual ^^ |
| 13:40.52 | cogwheel | be aware though that PiL covers 5.0 |
| 13:41.03 | cogwheel | and wow uses 5.1 |
| 13:41.17 | Elkano | that's how I tend to learn new stuff. the tricks come as time goes by |
| 13:41.17 | cogwheel | but the 5.1 version of PiL is only available in hard copy |
| 13:41.55 | wogist | Well there shouldn't be to much differences between 5.0 and 5.1? |
| 13:42.03 | cogwheel | wogist: you really should at least be familiar with chapters 1-7, 11, & 14 of that book |
| 13:42.11 | cogwheel | those are the most important imo |
| 13:42.32 | wogist | ya basically its just learning simple syntaxes ;) |
| 13:42.36 | cogwheel | not too many... the 5.1 manual has a summary of them... http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 13:42.38 | wobin | PiL is actually one of the best programming books I've read |
| 13:43.03 | cogwheel | it helps that Lua itself is one of the best programming languages </bias> |
| 13:43.06 | cogwheel | :P |
| 13:43.07 | wobin | hehe |
| 13:43.10 | wobin | I agree |
| 13:43.25 | wogist | where is lua used aswell? |
| 13:43.28 | Cide | lua and python <3 |
| 13:43.29 | wogist | wow is the first time i saw lua |
| 13:43.45 | cogwheel | http://www.lua.org/uses.html |
| 13:46.49 | Legorol | the first time I saw Lua was in Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale |
| 13:47.42 | Legorol | you could type Lua scripts into the chat box in Baldur's Gate, and it had Lua 3.0 |
| 13:48.02 | Legorol | i reverse engineered the available game API, metatables etc. |
| 13:48.24 | wobin | >< |
| 13:48.32 | wobin | Oh Legorol. Never change =) |
| 13:48.47 | Legorol | hehe |
| 13:49.03 | Legorol | however, I went and looked at Lua for the first time *because* of WoW |
| 13:49.20 | Legorol | whilst WoW was still in closed beta i think |
| 13:49.27 | Legorol | and then i discovered that Baldur's Gate is using Lua |
| 13:50.33 | Legorol | aaah, the good old days of Lua 3.0, metatables were called "tag methods" back then |
| 13:50.45 | Elkano | iirc some HL² mods also use lua |
| 13:50.52 | Legorol | wobin: if you want something truly shocking, when I saw that WoW is using Lua and learnt a bit about it, i wanted to play with Lua all the time |
| 13:51.01 | Legorol | so I compiled the Lua interpreter for my Nokia 6600 |
| 13:51.42 | Legorol | it was a fun project as I had to learn a bit about cross-compilation and things like that |
| 13:51.48 | Elkano | >>> return "lua is fun!" |
| 13:51.49 | Cide | Elkano: "lua is fun!" |
| 13:51.56 | Legorol | >>> "\o/" |
| 13:51.56 | Cide | Legorol: "o/" |
| 13:52.01 | Legorol | lol |
| 13:52.04 | Legorol | >>> "\\o/" |
| 13:52.04 | Cide | Legorol: "\\o/" |
| 13:52.11 | Legorol | bah, damn you Cide |
| 13:52.15 | Cide | haha |
| 13:52.35 | cogwheel | >>> x = 'h' return x..'e'..x |
| 13:52.35 | Cide | cogwheel: "heh" |
| 13:52.38 | Legorol | >>> "ö/" |
| 13:52.38 | Cide | Legorol: "\195\182/" |
| 13:52.42 | Legorol | almost |
| 13:53.22 | Legorol | <cogwheel> it helps that Lua itself is one of the best programming languages |
| 13:53.25 | Legorol | ^^^ agreed |
| 13:54.44 | krka | >>> s = "." while true do s = s:rep(100) end return s |
| 13:55.05 | krka | i also agree on lua being a good programming language |
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| 13:55.58 | cogwheel | thought that was about to happen... |
| 13:55.59 | Cide- | nice, krka |
| 13:56.03 | Cide- | not sure why that crashed me |
| 13:56.03 | Corrodias | lua sure is fun |
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| 13:56.24 | krka | not sure? |
| 13:56.34 | krka | it probably used up a whole lot of memory |
| 13:57.26 | Corrodias | speaking of which, i seem to have filled up one of my 236gb drives :( |
| 13:57.37 | Corrodias | oh, 232 |
| 14:00.21 | wobin | It's sad |
| 14:00.26 | wobin | well |
| 14:00.41 | wobin | the larger the hard drive you buy, the faster you fill it up with crap |
| 14:00.43 | wobin | (or porn) |
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| 14:00.55 | Corrodias | i didn't even put porn on THIS drive |
| 14:01.33 | krka | i have had a 120gb drive for ages :) |
| 14:01.34 | Cide | krka: seems like it just takes a lot of time |
| 14:01.38 | krka | no real problems yet |
| 14:01.50 | krka | i delete stuff i don't use any more |
| 14:01.54 | krka | or burn stuff to dvd |
| 14:02.04 | Cide | after a few iterations that string is gonna be quite long |
| 14:02.11 | krka | Cide: really? how much memory is it currently using? |
| 14:02.25 | krka | should swap like crazy if you keep it alive too long |
| 14:03.41 | Cide | I'm running it on my interpreter right now |
| 14:03.54 | Cide | using up something like 550mb |
| 14:04.17 | Cide | 600mb |
| 14:04.37 | Cide | lua ran out of memory at ~630mb |
| 14:05.16 | Cide | but it took several minutes to reach that level of memory, so I'd guess it's just too slow |
| 14:05.46 | krka | hm |
| 14:06.03 | krka | should really only take a few loops :) |
| 14:06.19 | Cide | well it caused irc to freeze for some reason |
| 14:06.46 | Cide | which is interesting since it's a separate thread |
| 14:06.46 | krka | 1 -> 100 -> 10.000 -> 1.000.000 -> 100.000.000 -> 10.000.000.000 |
| 14:06.54 | krka | it caused a lot of swapping, i presum |
| 14:06.54 | Cide | yeah, but it's likely extremely slow somewhere around there |
| 14:07.06 | Cide | not really |
| 14:07.51 | Cide | 4gb of ram, ~630mb used by lua |
| 14:07.56 | Cide | can't see any disk usage spikes |
| 14:08.12 | krka | the computer was probably busy with all the string copying then |
| 14:08.39 | Kaso | Why didnt your time limit kick in and kill the process? |
| 14:08.52 | Cide | because it uses debug.sethook (that would be my guess anyway) |
| 14:09.09 | Cide | which would be called before/after a statement |
| 14:09.32 | Cide | ("."):rep(10^9):rep(100) likely takes a while |
| 14:11.26 | Corrodias | i was going to hop on the PTR just to see what's been going on, but apparently i have to download over 40mb of patching :( |
| 14:15.54 | krka | >>> return |
| 14:16.05 | krka | >>> return nil |
| 14:19.39 | Corrodias | >>> return "your mom" |
| 14:20.20 | Corrodias | >>> "hello, are you on?" |
| 14:22.19 | Corrodias | you've broken them |
| 14:22.21 | Corrodias | *him |
| 14:22.36 | Corrodias | oh COME ON! how many patches do i have to download? |
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| 14:54.38 | Industrial | Hmm. Wouldnt it be fun if wow had a monk-like class? A class that specializes in evasion rather the defense that fights with fist weapons |
| 14:54.49 | Industrial | doesnt really fit in the lore i guess |
| 14:54.54 | Cide | bot's on now, Corrodias, krka |
| 14:55.01 | krka | >>> return |
| 14:55.01 | Cide | krka: nil |
| 14:55.04 | krka | >>> return nil |
| 14:55.04 | Cide | krka: nil |
| 14:55.06 | krka | >>> return nil, nil |
| 14:55.06 | Cide | krka: nil, nil |
| 14:55.11 | krka | it's broken! |
| 14:55.19 | Cide | how so? :P |
| 14:55.19 | krka | it returns nil for "return" |
| 14:55.19 | Thrae | Industrial: I just said that yesterday...and we do have Monk-like classes, but I doubt they'll implement one except a Rogue Hero class like that |
| 14:55.35 | Cide | >>> function f() return; end return type(f) |
| 14:55.36 | Cide | Cide: "function" |
| 14:55.39 | Cide | >>> function f() return; end return type(f()) |
| 14:55.39 | Cide | Cide: [string "function f() return; end return type(f())"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 14:55.44 | Cide | bah :) |
| 14:56.03 | krka | >>> return "\n/part" |
| 14:56.04 | Cide | krka: "\n/part" |
| 14:56.11 | krka | hm |
| 14:56.21 | krka | >>> return [[\n/part]] |
| 14:56.22 | Cide | krka: "\\n/part" |
| 14:56.25 | Industrial | Thrae: I really enjoy playing classes like that. cathc me if you can catch me if you can! poke poke tee hee etc |
| 14:56.41 | Thrae | Industrial: If you like Evasion, make a 80% Dodge Rogue ;) |
| 14:56.54 | sysrage | so play a rogue... panzies just stunlock and disappear if things are getting rough |
| 14:57.08 | krka | >>> return string.char(13) .. [[/part]] |
| 14:57.08 | Cide | krka: "\r/part" |
| 14:57.09 | Cide | krka: besides, it's more clear to print "nil" even if it doesn't conform to what's really happening |
| 14:57.12 | krka | >>> return string.char(10) .. [[/part]] |
| 14:57.13 | Cide | krka: "\n/part" |
| 14:57.31 | krka | oh, you %q the output strings |
| 14:57.40 | Thrae | Monks would have to be a more MAGIC damage sponge. That would be useful -- currently the two highest Health values belong to Affliction Warlocks and Feral Druids |
| 14:58.32 | Industrial | when you say magic damage sponge it instantly reminds me of paladin ;\ |
| 14:58.51 | Industrial | not because of the wow pala bubble but it just fits the character |
| 14:58.52 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:59.37 | Thrae | Industrial: Heh. In a MMORPG design I made, the Paladin WAS the Magic damage sponge. In my design, you had the equivilent of "physical damage absorb" and "magical damage absorb" values for all character types. |
| 15:00.48 | Thrae | Industrial: The idea was that it was unrealistic to just decrease some arbitrary HP value for some magical sword swinging on some magical armour. I always resented that. |
| 15:02.02 | Industrial | what i also like from other games is the ability to mezzmerate and AoE mezz. Also 'chants' (a bit like auras) that do +ap or the like or party regen (+mana or hp/5sec) |
| 15:02.28 | Thrae | Industrial: If you broke either type of absorb, you would attack their HP directly. If you lose all HP, you die. HP doesn't regenerate on its own, but absorb does. |
| 15:02.29 | zenzelezz | reminds me of AO's Bureaucrats |
| 15:02.41 | Industrial | yeah or DaoC minstrel/bard |
| 15:02.54 | Industrial | mezz can have great value in group pvp |
| 15:03.12 | Thrae | Industrial: WoW couldn't steel TOO much from DAoC PvP, and one of DAoC's biggest complaints was that people spent too long under the influence of CC |
| 15:03.41 | Industrial | well yeah mezz the other sides mezzer and you win |
| 15:03.44 | Thrae | I'm sure you remember the 'ol group vs group "Whoever gets the mezz on the other group's mezzer off first wins" dynamic that ruled DAoC for so long |
| 15:03.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:03.50 | Industrial | right |
| 15:04.26 | Industrial | well if only for say 10-15 seconds it'd still be valuable |
| 15:04.30 | Thrae | Of course, WoW is kinda the reverse of DAoC right now. WoW focuses less on group play and more on shards of groups (1v1,2v2,etc., mostly on 1v1) |
| 15:04.37 | Industrial | yeah |
| 15:04.44 | Thrae | WoW needs to make group play effective in PvP outside the Arena, where its forced. |
| 15:04.56 | zenzelezz | ^-- AO PvP |
| 15:05.15 | Industrial | :p |
| 15:05.26 | Industrial | only played AO without expansions til 30s :( |
| 15:05.55 | zenzelezz | well, I don't know what it's like now, but for a long time it was all about aimedshots |
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| 15:06.11 | zenzelezz | wasn't exactly the most balanced PvP |
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| 15:07.43 | Industrial | wtb giant areas with keeps :D nothing wrong with a 'wildernis' area imho |
| 15:14.41 | Legorol | I think WoW's approach of making people spend as little time in CC as possible is a good one |
| 15:14.55 | Legorol | You have to consider player experience/frustration, and the complete inability to do anything is definitely not fun |
| 15:15.35 | Legorol | The only problem is classes which *depend* on CC for their survival, they are then significantly gimped in PvP |
| 15:15.44 | Legorol | I think that's an inherent paradox that is very hard to resolve |
| 15:16.22 | Legorol | What I don't like so much about WoW's PvP is the ability to go for any player on the opposing group, this makes squishes very vulnerable. |
| 15:16.51 | Legorol | Collision detection between players would be too hard on the servers, so what i'd like to see is Taunt-type effects actually working on players |
| 15:17.33 | Legorol | The way I see it, if a warrior taunts someone, that person is still free to run around and do whatever they want, but can only hit in melee/ranged or use spells on the person who taunted him |
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| 15:18.42 | JoshBorke | i'd like to see taunt rotate the player at least |
| 15:21.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | forcing players to target something they don't want to, especially rogues, is not much fun |
| 15:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | now enemy-only collision detection would be awesome |
| 15:21.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's my favorite part of guild wars |
| 15:23.54 | Legorol | too taxing on the servers probably |
| 15:24.06 | Legorol | also way too open to abuse |
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| 15:24.39 | Legorol | on a PvP realm, it allows you to block entrance to instances for example |
| 15:26.14 | pastamancer | I remember "ogre walls" from everquest |
| 15:26.17 | pastamancer | it was hilarious |
| 15:27.10 | pastamancer | they never lasted more than 10-15min before a GM would show up and teleport people back to their bind poins |
| 15:28.28 | hugo | "D |
| 15:29.13 | hugo | i remember asherons call , in a dungeon in corner and around 100mobs on me, but only we're abble to hit me cause i was in corner, this way i killed all 100 .. ^^ |
| 15:29.25 | hugo | all the mobs melee only :> |
| 15:29.43 | hugo | i mean only two we're able to hit me |
| 15:30.09 | hugo | others we're blocked by the two |
| 15:32.25 | hugo | ahh now i remember their name.. Tusker! :D |
| 15:33.30 | hugo | btw do anyone play lotr? if so how is it |
| 15:35.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Legorol> on a PvP realm, it allows you to block entrance to instances for example |
| 15:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | just kill them? |
| 15:35.45 | JoshBorke | haha, imagine if they are stealthed |
| 15:35.53 | JoshBorke | walking around, randomly bump into sometihng |
| 15:37.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure stealthed targets wouldn't be collidable since you're not present clientside on others' computers until you're close enough |
| 15:37.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | or otherwise detected |
| 15:39.00 | Legorol | Mr_Rabies2, collision detection would be server side |
| 15:39.10 | Legorol | it would have to be |
| 15:39.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 15:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 15:40.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | player location is clientside, but it's sent to the server every so often, more often when changing direction |
| 15:40.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | so are zeppelin/boat paths coincidentally |
| 15:41.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, and doodad collision detection is clientside |
| 15:41.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | like gates and stuff |
| 15:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | people were changing herbs to like, giant flights of steps and elevators and stuff, so you'd see a guy run up to an herb and just all of a sudden start floating |
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| 15:55.54 | Legorol | Mr_Rabies2: i know that currently collision detection with environment is client side |
| 15:56.07 | Legorol | but that can't work for PvP because player location information is out of sync on clients |
| 15:56.25 | Legorol | that's why i said that it woudl be a huge technical challenge to have collision detection between players, as WoW is currently structured |
| 15:56.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it'd likely call for a reworking of the netcode |
| 15:56.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the game would end up feeling less smooth |
| 15:57.24 | zenzelezz | if you did player collision, would you also have players block LoS? |
| 15:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah, i don't see that as necessary |
| 15:58.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | guild wars didn't use it and it has the best collision detection i've seen in a fantasy rpg |
| 16:04.59 | wogist | is there no way to really test my scripts without starting wow every time again and again? |
| 16:05.31 | wogist | and is there even a command to just reload one addon with /console reloadui.. or something |
| 16:05.59 | Gryphen | only reload entire ui |
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| 16:07.13 | Legorol | wogist: disable all addons except the one you are testing, and some debug addons |
| 16:07.17 | Legorol | then reloadui is pretty quick |
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| 16:08.06 | wogggi | and is there a good lua editor for wow lua? ;) |
| 16:09.07 | Legorol | Scite |
| 16:09.13 | Legorol | there are several versions around |
| 16:09.18 | Cide | I like TextPad |
| 16:09.26 | Legorol | there's one on wowi which has been customised for wow |
| 16:09.32 | Cide | but scite is nice as well |
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| 16:10.03 | wogggi | im completely new to this topic... i want it as easy as possible to get into it ;) |
| 16:10.06 | Legorol | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4989 |
| 16:10.17 | wogggi | i don't know anything about lua and wow api at all by now.. ^^ |
| 16:10.22 | Legorol | it's a programmers' text editor, and it's quite nice for lua |
| 16:10.25 | wogggi | reaidng the wowwiki articles right now |
| 16:10.46 | Legorol | ok then you need to decide first: do you want to learn about the Lua *language*, or Lua as used in WoW? |
| 16:10.48 | zenzelezz | apart from syntax highlighting the editors won't do much for your code :) |
| 16:10.50 | Legorol | it's not exactly the same thing |
| 16:11.08 | wogggi | zenzelezz: thats alot.. |
| 16:11.17 | wogggi | hopefully they highlight wrong syntax ;) |
| 16:11.22 | Legorol | writing addons in WoW require you to be familiar with several things: |
| 16:11.29 | Legorol | - lua as a programming language |
| 16:11.36 | Legorol | - lua as used in wow |
| 16:11.39 | Legorol | - xml as used in wow |
| 16:11.55 | Legorol | the available API, the common practices, the UI widgets available for use, etc. |
| 16:11.59 | Legorol | there are quite a lot of concepts |
| 16:12.04 | wogggi | yes |
| 16:12.48 | Legorol | in terms of what WoW provides, it provides an API, events, UI widgets and the default Blizzard UI code, which you are extending |
| 16:13.26 | Legorol | example of each: the API are the global Lua functions exposed by WoW so you can query stuff about the game etc. |
| 16:13.51 | Legorol | events are triggered when things happen in game, e.g. when you enter the world, you gain a buff, an item in your bag changes |
| 16:14.03 | Legorol | UI widgets are pre-defined UI components you can work with |
| 16:14.19 | Legorol | in addition the Blizzard UI code provides a bunch of templates you can use |
| 16:14.44 | Legorol | UI widgets include things like frames, textboxes, fontstrings, textures, scrollframes |
| 16:14.59 | Legorol | i think the above is a fair summary of what's available in WoW for UI customization |
| 16:15.35 | Legorol | by far the best resource is the wiki and this channel ;_) |
| 16:15.52 | Legorol | ok i'll stop daunting you now :D |
| 16:16.58 | wogggi | hzehe |
| 16:17.00 | wogggi | thanks |
| 16:17.13 | wogggi | thats what i read on wowwiki aswell ;) |
| 16:18.29 | Legorol | i don't know how far along you are at the moment, but this is the order in which i'd suggest reading things |
| 16:18.32 | Legorol | 1) http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide |
| 16:18.40 | Legorol | 2) http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOns |
| 16:18.47 | Legorol | 3) http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface |
| 16:19.23 | Legorol | this is a good summary of the different things you need to read: http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization_FAQ |
| 16:19.38 | Legorol | the daunting references are here: |
| 16:19.39 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 16:19.43 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 16:19.52 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 16:20.04 | Legorol | i don't suggest reading this start to finish ;-) |
| 16:20.28 | Legorol | i do suggest getting the blizzard interface toolkit, and reading through the tutorial in there for creating two simple example addons |
| 16:23.04 | wogggi | Legorol: Quick, whats the current version number for toc file? |
| 16:23.34 | wogggi | ah nvm |
| 16:24.52 | Legorol | 20003 for live, 20100 for PT |
| 16:24.55 | Legorol | *PTR |
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| 16:31.12 | wogggi | Legorol: So the XML stuff is basically just for the "layout" and addons could be created like an addon which automatically answers whispers could be created without the .xml file? |
| 16:31.22 | wogggi | since it just handles the whisper event or whatever |
| 16:31.38 | Legorol | you can almost create it without an XML file |
| 16:31.51 | wogggi | why almost? |
| 16:31.59 | Legorol | but in order to be able to respond to whispers, you need to register for the event that is fired when you receive a whisper |
| 16:32.04 | Legorol | and only Frames can register for events |
| 16:32.11 | wogggi | ah okay |
| 16:32.12 | Legorol | so you need at least a single, dummy, invisible frame |
| 16:32.37 | Legorol | but, you don't necessarily need an XML file for this, as you can create frames from Lua as well |
| 16:32.51 | Legorol | so in theory it's possible to do it all in Lua, but it's good practice for you to use XML for it |
| 16:33.30 | zenzelezz | wogggi: if you hang around you'll notice two camps; those who like XML and those who don't... just pick the one you prefer, none of them are wrong |
| 16:33.46 | foxlit | Use whatever works for you :) |
| 16:34.00 | wogggi | ah cool |
| 16:35.00 | Legorol | zenzelezz is 99% correct |
| 16:35.01 | wogggi | thats alot of stuff to learn.. ;) |
| 16:35.08 | Legorol | you get a better understanding if you learn how to do things with XML |
| 16:35.16 | Legorol | doing it from Lua is just replicating what you are doing in XML |
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| 16:35.30 | Legorol | but i belong in the XML camp ;_) |
| 16:35.42 | zenzelezz | so do I =) |
| 16:36.01 | zenzelezz | mostly because I find it easier to read a layout from XML than from a bunch of CreateFrames() and associates |
| 16:36.09 | wogggi | <frame name="test=" hidden="true"> |
| 16:36.13 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:36.15 | wogggi | alright |
| 16:36.19 | Legorol | well, the second = is a typo |
| 16:36.25 | Legorol | name="test" |
| 16:36.30 | zenzelezz | don't have to make it hidden either, it's invisible anyway until you tell it how to look |
| 16:36.33 | wogggi | yes sure ;) |
| 16:36.49 | Legorol | it's also a good idea to use a more meaningful name than "test" |
| 16:36.57 | wogggi | hehe ya |
| 16:37.03 | wogggi | im doing html i know about semantics ;) |
| 16:37.03 | Legorol | the name you supply becomes a global variable in Lua-land |
| 16:37.09 | Legorol | that's how you can access the frame from Lua |
| 16:37.13 | wogggi | but this is really just a RAW test ;) |
| 16:37.19 | Legorol | fair enough |
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| 16:37.52 | Legorol | btw, if you need to paste a few lines of code snippet, use http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 16:37.57 | wogggi | I think first of all i should understand the basics of event handling? |
| 16:38.06 | Legorol | it's a good start |
| 16:38.11 | wogggi | thats what I thought alright |
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| 16:38.17 | Legorol | i have a basic word of wisdom that will help you a lot |
| 16:38.26 | Legorol | which is confusing for many people |
| 16:38.31 | Shirik | this should be interesting |
| 16:38.33 | Legorol | there are *two* types of events |
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| 16:39.04 | Legorol | the first are UI events, such as when a widget becomes shown, hidden, the mouse enters it etc. |
| 16:39.04 | Legorol | the second are game events, such as when you receive a whisper |
| 16:39.29 | Legorol | usually the word "event" is used to refer to the second group when discussing addons |
| 16:39.30 | wogggi | Legorol: If i don't want to handle widget events do i need to specify anything else than the frame with its name? |
| 16:39.39 | Legorol | you don't |
| 16:39.57 | wogggi | yes thats what I meant |
| 16:40.00 | wogggi | i saw widget events |
| 16:40.01 | Shirik | but at the same time |
| 16:40.03 | wogggi | and those game vents |
| 16:40.10 | Legorol | right, you already saw them, cool |
| 16:40.15 | Shirik | there are very limited uses of frames without handling at least one widget event |
| 16:40.16 | wogggi | like <onload> <onclick> and shit ;) |
| 16:40.21 | Legorol | actually sorry i'm not quite correct |
| 16:40.25 | Legorol | you do need to specify <OnEvent> |
| 16:40.29 | Shirik | wogggi: Be careful |
| 16:40.29 | Legorol | that's how you capture game vents |
| 16:40.32 | Shirik | <onload> does not exist |
| 16:40.34 | wogggi | Ah alright |
| 16:40.34 | Shirik | nor does <onclick |
| 16:40.39 | Shirik | however, <OnLoad> and <OnClick> do |
| 16:40.48 | wogggi | ah its case-sensitive |
| 16:40.56 | wogggi | g2k |
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| 16:40.58 | Legorol | yeah the <OnEvent> is a special widget event, which handles all game events |
| 16:41.00 | Legorol | confusing ey ;-) |
| 16:41.18 | Legorol | so your frame should at least have an <OnEvent> |
| 16:41.28 | Shirik | if you want to capture game events, that is |
| 16:41.41 | Legorol | i think wogggi plans to capture whispers |
| 16:41.43 | wogggi | but <OnEvent> don't need any parameters? |
| 16:41.50 | Shirik | (I know I'm jumping into the conversation here) |
| 16:41.52 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you entered in the middle of the conversation, stop confusing the newbie |
| 16:41.56 | Shirik | sorry >< |
| 16:41.57 | Legorol | no arguments to the XML tag, if that's what you mean |
| 16:42.02 | wogggi | yes I want to capture game events, much more interesting for me than capture those widget events ;) |
| 16:42.08 | Legorol | right |
| 16:42.16 | Shirik | It is my goal in life to confuse all newbie programmers. It is the only way to weed out the good from the bad!! |
| 16:42.22 | Shirik | he's ignoring me though :( |
| 16:42.22 | Legorol | the contents of <OnEvent> xxx </OnEvent> is any valid Lua code |
| 16:42.28 | wogggi | Shirik: How shall I thank you? |
| 16:42.31 | Legorol | which is executed when your frame receives a game event |
| 16:42.34 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:42.58 | Shirik | well |
| 16:43.00 | Legorol | the accepted standard (but is not mandatory) is to place a single function call into the <OnEvent> block in your XML file |
| 16:43.07 | Legorol | and the function itself is then in a lua file |
| 16:43.26 | Shirik | the accepted standard, imho, is to use SetScript and not XML for OnEvent, because you need to accept parameters |
| 16:43.26 | wogggi | im trying to understand |
| 16:43.36 | Legorol | Shirik: rubbish |
| 16:43.42 | Shirik | with XML you can only do it with the globals, which are deprecated |
| 16:43.43 | Shirik | iirc |
| 16:43.43 | Legorol | OnEvent accepts parameters just as well |
| 16:43.48 | Legorol | Shirik: nonsense |
| 16:43.50 | Legorol | stop confusing |
| 16:43.57 | Shirik | no, see now I need to learn this myself |
| 16:44.02 | Shirik | where would you grab the parameters in the XML? |
| 16:44.03 | Legorol | you can use locals just fine with OnEvent |
| 16:44.14 | wogggi | Legorol: So <OnEvent> MY_Function(); </OnEvent> and my_functions than checks what kind of event it is? |
| 16:44.19 | Legorol | the block of code within OnEvent has self, arg1, etc. as locals |
| 16:44.27 | Legorol | woggi: almost |
| 16:44.29 | Shirik | wogggi: Close |
| 16:44.40 | Legorol | you still need to pass variables to My_Function which contain data about the event |
| 16:44.49 | Shirik | Legorol: Hm, well I don't like XML anyway, but ok I'll accept that as true :P |
| 16:45.02 | Legorol | like this: <OnEvent> My_Function(...) </OnEvent> |
| 16:45.18 | Legorol | and that ... is literally a ... |
| 16:45.27 | Legorol | the way you should define your function then in lua is this: |
| 16:46.00 | wogggi | so ... tells the script to use ALL arguments? |
| 16:46.01 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/21520 |
| 16:46.10 | Legorol | yes, ... is a Lua language construct |
| 16:46.24 | Legorol | it referes to all arguments that were passed to this function |
| 16:46.28 | Legorol | so you are simply passing them all along |
| 16:46.53 | zenzelezz | Legorol: so self and event get passed even if you don't do it in the function call? |
| 16:47.02 | Shirik | >>> function a(...) print(...); end print(1,2,3) |
| 16:47.02 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 2, 3 |
| 16:47.06 | Legorol | zenzelezz: you ARE passing them |
| 16:47.11 | Legorol | self and event are the first two arguments |
| 16:47.12 | wogggi | well this question is not very important at this point but, can i specify special events which are only handled by the "frame"? so not ALL events are directed to my lua function? |
| 16:47.24 | Legorol | wogggi: very important question in fact |
| 16:47.28 | Shirik | oops |
| 16:47.31 | Legorol | by default, your frame doesn't handle *any* events |
| 16:47.32 | Shirik | >>> function a(...) print(...); end a(1,2,3) |
| 16:47.32 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 2, 3 |
| 16:47.35 | Legorol | unless you register for them |
| 16:47.58 | Legorol | at some point, you need to register for one or more events like this: |
| 16:48.06 | Legorol | yourFrameName:RegisterEvent("NAME_OF_EVENT") |
| 16:48.15 | Legorol | that's Lua, and needs to be executed once |
| 16:48.34 | Shirik | most people do it in the OnLoad widget handler |
| 16:48.38 | Shirik | but you have a lot of options |
| 16:48.41 | Shirik | depending on what you want to do |
| 16:48.50 | Legorol | i prefer doing it in OnLoad |
| 16:48.59 | wogggi | Whats the difference between just putting it at the head of the lua file |
| 16:49.04 | Shirik | because |
| 16:49.07 | wogggi | or putting it into a function which is called at <OnLoad>? |
| 16:49.07 | Shirik | at the head of the lua file |
| 16:49.12 | Shirik | you can't guarantee your frame exists |
| 16:49.19 | Shirik | whereas OnLoad is only called after the frame is loaded |
| 16:49.36 | wogggi | Soo.. the LUA and the XML files are executed at the same time? |
| 16:49.44 | wogggi | when i login for example...? |
| 16:49.50 | zenzelezz | no |
| 16:49.58 | zenzelezz | they're executed in the order they appear in your .toc |
| 16:50.05 | wogggi | well yes |
| 16:50.19 | wogggi | but the wow client dont care if one of them is loaded correctly or not |
| 16:50.23 | wogggi | it still loads the other ones? |
| 16:50.45 | Shirik | if there's an error in one file it'll throw the error and move to the next file |
| 16:50.46 | Shirik | so yes |
| 16:50.51 | wogggi | alright okay |
| 16:50.57 | Shirik | critical battery :( |
| 16:50.59 | zenzelezz | try to avoid errors instead |
| 16:51.00 | zenzelezz | =) |
| 16:51.04 | Shirik | lol yes |
| 16:51.20 | wogggi | yourFrameName:RegisterEvent("NAME_OF_EVENT") <- this can just be put into <OnLoad> right? |
| 16:51.26 | Legorol | yes |
| 16:51.29 | wogggi | So it doesnt matter if my lua code is right inside of the xml file |
| 16:51.34 | wogggi | or if its in the lua file |
| 16:51.56 | Legorol | that is correct |
| 16:52.07 | Legorol | the accepted standard however is to keep as much of Lua code as possible in a lua file |
| 16:52.08 | wogggi | <Script file="mymod.lua"/> is this one needed? |
| 16:52.14 | Legorol | nope |
| 16:52.17 | Legorol | <Script> is deprecated |
| 16:52.17 | wogggi | does it specify the lua file which is related to my xml file? |
| 16:52.21 | wogggi | or does it know it by itself? |
| 16:52.22 | wogggi | ok |
| 16:52.33 | Legorol | <Script> used to be used to load lua files, no longer used |
| 16:52.34 | Shirik | it used to be an alternative for specifying the .lua files in your .toc |
| 16:52.45 | wogggi | alright |
| 16:52.47 | Shirik | RDX still has a few of those floating around I need to remove :( |
| 16:52.55 | wogggi | thanks for your nice support ;) |
| 16:53.12 | Cide | Legorol: I wouldn't call it deprecated |
| 16:53.14 | Legorol | wogggi: you might want to check this out: |
| 16:53.15 | Legorol | and from the XML file |
| 16:53.19 | Legorol | Cide: i would |
| 16:53.31 | Legorol | actually, you are right |
| 16:53.32 | Cide | Libraries/Ace2.xml |
| 16:53.35 | Legorol | for libraries it's useful |
| 16:53.36 | Legorol | yeah |
| 16:53.38 | Legorol | i take it back |
| 16:53.49 | Shirik | oh, so can I leave the <script> tags in RDX ^^ |
| 16:53.54 | Legorol | oops i never pasted the link |
| 16:53.55 | Legorol | and from the XML file |
| 16:53.57 | Legorol | bah |
| 16:54.00 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/21524 |
| 16:54.02 | Shirik | I still want to remove em :P We're trying to move away from XML |
| 16:54.10 | Legorol | bad, bad boys |
| 16:54.10 | foxlit | Do I get penalty points for calling :RegisterEvent() with random junk? |
| 16:54.12 | Legorol | XML is good |
| 16:54.16 | Shirik | evil! |
| 16:54.18 | Legorol | foxlit: yes |
| 16:54.19 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 16:54.29 | wogggi | Fired when the client receives a message from SendAddonMessage |
| 16:54.29 | wogggi | lol |
| 16:54.36 | wogggi | is SendAddonMessage the default message function? |
| 16:54.40 | Legorol | nope |
| 16:54.44 | wogggi | which everyone uses when sending a message? |
| 16:54.49 | foxlit | nope |
| 16:54.49 | Legorol | it's a cross-client communication mechanism |
| 16:55.00 | Shirik | it's identical to SendChatMessage with one exception |
| 16:55.04 | Shirik | it's a hidden channel |
| 16:55.08 | Legorol | it allows a copy of an addon running on one client to send info to another copy running on a different client |
| 16:55.16 | wogggi | ah alright |
| 16:55.16 | Legorol | Shirik: it's not a "hidden channel" |
| 16:55.24 | Legorol | that terminology is confusing |
| 16:55.29 | Shirik | makes sense to me |
| 16:55.38 | wogggi | Like... SWStats and Damagemeter and stuff do? |
| 16:55.39 | Shirik | a hidden guild channel, a hidden raid channel, etc. |
| 16:55.39 | Legorol | it doesn't involve chat channels in any way |
| 16:55.44 | Shirik | wogggi: yes |
| 16:55.55 | Shirik | Well then you're using a different definition of "channel" than I am |
| 16:55.57 | Shirik | nothing more |
| 16:56.03 | Shirik | it's still a channel no matter how you look at it |
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| 16:56.18 | Legorol | i like to use the word "channel" in the context that it's used in-game and in the API and events |
| 16:56.19 | Shirik | why is my laptop still on >.> |
| 16:56.20 | Legorol | it's for chat channels |
| 16:56.32 | Legorol | but, again, this is just preference, let's stop confusing poor woggi |
| 16:56.34 | wogggi | "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" |
| 16:56.36 | wogggi | So this is what I need |
| 16:56.37 | Legorol | that's the one |
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| 16:59.55 | Legorol | zenzelezz: btw check the pastey i linked, it will explain you how the self and event variables get passed around |
| 17:01.22 | Legorol | wogggi: you might be wondering what are these arg1, arg2 etc. mentioned in the description of the events |
| 17:01.31 | wogggi | Legorol: Can I call the WoW API Functions just everywhere in my lua file? |
| 17:01.40 | wogggi | LIke AddChatWindowsMessage(); |
| 17:01.53 | Legorol | except for a few protected functions reserved for Blizzard's use, yes |
| 17:02.00 | wogggi | ya |
| 17:02.14 | wogggi | So should I use AddChatWindowsMessage for general output? |
| 17:02.24 | Legorol | nope |
| 17:02.27 | wogggi | I just want to test if my whisper event handler works |
| 17:02.46 | Legorol | the API function i think you found is called AddChatWindowMessages and is used for a very different purpose |
| 17:02.47 | Kaydeethree | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("stuff") or DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("stuff") |
| 17:02.51 | wogggi | so like everytime someone send a whisper i get a message created from addon |
| 17:02.54 | Legorol | as Kaydeethree says |
| 17:03.02 | Legorol | if you want just a "print" type thing, do the one he said |
| 17:03.04 | wogggi | Whats ChatFrame1? |
| 17:03.14 | Legorol | that's the chat frame labeled General |
| 17:03.18 | wogggi | alright |
| 17:03.30 | Legorol | ChatFrame1 is an instance of a ScrollingMessageFrame, and is defined in the default UI code |
| 17:03.32 | Kaydeethree | 2 is combat and 3+ are windows manually created |
| 17:04.09 | TS|Skrom_ | someone put me out of my misery please |
| 17:04.21 | TS|Skrom_ | ty |
| 17:04.24 | Kaydeethree | death by clue-by-four work for ya? |
| 17:04.41 | TS|Skrom_ | mebbe |
| 17:05.00 | TS|Skrom_ | unfortuneately it's not related to wow modding, but instead to my job |
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| 17:09.16 | wogggi | <OnLoad>Test:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER"); </OnLoad> |
| 17:09.22 | wogggi | is RegisterEvent a default function? |
| 17:09.43 | wogggi | i dont get the difference between |
| 17:09.55 | wogggi | my english is bad... |
| 17:09.56 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 17:10.13 | zenzelezz | it's a function for all Frame objects (and derivatives) |
| 17:13.11 | wogggi | for some reason my script doesnt work |
| 17:14.35 | wogggi | just a typo :D |
| 17:14.37 | wogggi | works now great |
| 17:20.44 | wogggi | function EventHandler(arg1, arg2) |
| 17:20.44 | wogggi | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Name: " .. arg1 .. " Message: " .. arg2); |
| 17:20.44 | wogggi | end |
| 17:20.48 | wogggi | Is this the way how you do it? |
| 17:20.49 | wogggi | ;D |
| 17:22.11 | Cide | try it |
| 17:22.35 | wogggi | well ye sit works ;D |
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| 17:29.36 | Shadowed | http://madnesslabs.com/wow/classnotes.html well thats a rather interesting page |
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| 17:42.37 | Kaso | In the default UI |
| 17:42.56 | Kaso | howcome you an move spells on and off the "Main" actionbars in combat, but not the side actionbars |
| 17:44.42 | zenzelezz | some actionbars are more equal than others |
| 17:48.56 | Maldivia | hmm |
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| 17:56.45 | kergoth | Shadowed: huh, thats cool |
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| 18:05.06 | Maldivia | hmm, incomming nerf/change to ice block? |
| 18:05.19 | SB1-Laptop | Can't be used twice within 30s |
| 18:05.45 | Maldivia | not hyperthermia |
| 18:05.51 | SB1-Laptop | ? |
| 18:05.54 | SB1-Laptop | News to me then |
| 18:06.30 | Maldivia | was just looking through some of the new spells from the PTR, and found: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=41590 |
| 18:07.02 | SB1-Laptop | Interesting change |
| 18:07.10 | SB1-Laptop | Looks like an NPC ability in all honesty |
| 18:07.42 | Maldivia | or perhaps an idea, for a non-talent version of IB ? |
| 18:07.43 | SB1-Laptop | If that was a player ability, frost mages would be the new bane of arcane mages |
| 18:07.56 | SB1-Laptop | ... that would be stupidly OP if it was a non-talent version |
| 18:07.58 | Shadowed | That would be a rather interesting change |
| 18:08.06 | SB1-Laptop | 30s CD? |
| 18:08.11 | SB1-Laptop | 4s duration? |
| 18:08.19 | Maldivia | hmm, yeah ok... |
| 18:08.21 | SB1-Laptop | 150 mana? |
| 18:08.21 | Maldivia | over powered :) |
| 18:08.30 | SB1-Laptop | Never mind the spell *reflect* |
| 18:08.35 | SB1-Laptop | And physical immunity |
| 18:08.54 | Maldivia | ok, missed the 30sec CD |
| 18:09.10 | SB1-Laptop | I can see it being an NPC ability though |
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| 18:10.44 | Maldivia | well, warriors have a 5sec spell reflect, on a 10sec CD |
| 18:11.24 | SB1-Laptop | That also runs then a stupidly large amount of rage |
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| 18:11.58 | SB1-Laptop | Well, not stupidly large |
| 18:12.04 | SB1-Laptop | But no small amount |
| 18:12.25 | Shirik | so I'm at this hotel right now, I'll be staying here for five days. This place is awesome.... feels as if you're at an actual house |
| 18:12.33 | Shirik | Never actually seen that in a hotel |
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| 18:17.26 | foxlit | "Reflecting magical spells." = reflecting dispel? |
| 18:17.40 | foxlit | Reflecting spellsteal is just evil :/ |
| 18:18.40 | Shirik | rofl, you can do that? |
| 18:18.50 | Cide | don't think so |
| 18:18.55 | foxlit | Yeah, you steal a spell from yourself |
| 18:19.00 | Shirik | wait so |
| 18:19.01 | foxlit | Resets timer to 3m |
| 18:19.05 | Shirik | does it go to the reflecter? |
| 18:19.08 | Shirik | or does it just go to you |
| 18:19.10 | foxlit | No |
| 18:19.20 | foxlit | A mage steals a buff already on him. |
| 18:19.22 | Shirik | so in essense it just burns the CD |
| 18:19.40 | SB1-Laptop | Yup |
| 18:19.47 | JoshBorke | and decreases the time you have the buff? |
| 18:19.50 | SB1-Laptop | Sucks to take your AI from 26m to 2m |
| 18:20.20 | Shirik | lol. |
| 18:20.31 | SB1-Laptop | Burns a few hundred mana to do it, too |
| 18:20.55 | foxlit | And I' |
| 18:21.00 | foxlit | m not sure if it burns the reflect |
| 18:21.00 | Shirik | on the same note though |
| 18:21.09 | Shirik | if it's at 1s left |
| 18:21.11 | Shirik | it pulls it to 2m? |
| 18:21.15 | foxlit | Nah |
| 18:21.21 | foxlit | Or avenging wrath would be OP on mages? |
| 18:21.34 | foxlit | Althoug h whenever I steal an elemental's lightning shield, it's always at 3m |
| 18:21.35 | SB1-Laptop | No, because we have access to Arcane Power anyways |
| 18:21.43 | SB1-Laptop | (Gotta spec for it though) |
| 18:21.46 | foxlit | The question is, do they stack? |
| 18:21.58 | foxlit | (and 3 minutes with angel wings = <3) |
| 18:22.17 | SB1-Laptop | It sets the cooldown to 2m if the target had a duration of 2m or longer |
| 18:22.28 | SB1-Laptop | If not, it sets the duration to whatever the buff in question had left |
| 18:22.50 | SB1-Laptop | So you can't spellsteal AW back and forth for time and all eternity |
| 18:23.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:23.36 | Shirik | ok lua dudes, question |
| 18:24.14 | Shirik | why do I get this: C:\Program Files\wowscite\scite\bin\LuaC.exe: RDXM_BattleRecorder.lua:516: unexpected symbol near `...' (pastey incoming) |
| 18:24.28 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/21559 (line 4 of pastey) |
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| 18:26.19 | Shirik | >>= enc_id_slider:SetScript("OnValueChanged", function(...) old_ovc(...); self.id = enc_id_slider:GetValue(); self:Update(); end); |
| 18:26.29 | Shirik | :( Cide? |
| 18:26.35 | Maldivia | shirik, is your LuaC.exe a 5.0 or a 5.1 ? |
| 18:26.35 | Shadowed | You've got an unexpected symbol near ..., at line 516 Shirik |
| 18:26.41 | Cide | Shirik: >>= |
| 18:26.43 | Shirik | Shadowed... thanks -_- |
| 18:26.46 | Shadowed | anytime |
| 18:26.50 | Shirik | Cide: isn't that what I did? |
| 18:26.52 | pastamancer | Shirik: I'm going to go with probably something above the lines you pasted |
| 18:26.59 | Shadowed | >> 1 + 1 |
| 18:27.02 | TC-Working | you have a space |
| 18:27.06 | Cide | it's >>> or >>? |
| 18:27.10 | Shirik | >>? enc_id_slider:SetScript("OnValueChanged", function(...) old_ovc(...); self.id = enc_id_slider:GetValue(); self:Update(); end); |
| 18:27.10 | Cide | Shirik: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 18:27.13 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:27.14 | pastamancer | >>> "Shirik" |
| 18:27.15 | Cide | pastamancer: "Shirik" |
| 18:27.19 | Shirik | I think Maldivia's right >.> |
| 18:27.20 | TC-Working | "> >>" is what you did |
| 18:27.34 | Shadowed | What about what Maldivia said? |
| 18:27.34 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 18:27.35 | Shirik | TC-Working: Doesn't look that way to me, must be something my client fubared |
| 18:27.46 | Shirik | anyway.... let's try logging in WoW and seeing what happens... |
| 18:28.01 | Shadowed | would work i'd imagine |
| 18:28.35 | Cide | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/21559 |
| 18:28.36 | Cide | Cide: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 18:29.16 | Shirik | it works perfectly >< |
| 18:29.22 | Shirik | I must have a 5.0 compiler :( |
| 18:29.29 | pastamancer | heh |
| 18:29.54 | Shirik | but didn't ... exist in 5.0? |
| 18:30.34 | Cide | it did, but it created a table named "arg" |
| 18:30.50 | Shirik | ah, kinda like how C does it? |
| 18:31.05 | Kaso | whats the 2.1 cvar for enabling erros? |
| 18:31.17 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.27 | Kaso | ty |
| 18:31.28 | Cide | Shirik: I guess you could say that :P |
| 18:33.26 | foxlit | There's an option in interface options |
| 18:33.32 | foxlit | You don't even have to bother with the console :) |
| 18:35.10 | Shirik | 'cept if you want the addon to enable it |
| 18:35.25 | Shirik | can't really tell the addon to move the mouse to a specific spot on the screen and click a checkbox then click ok |
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| 18:39.39 | foxlit | Sure you can |
| 18:39.39 | foxlit | local f = SpecificCheckBox:GetScript("OnClick"); f(SpecificCheckBox); |
| 18:39.48 | Shadowed | "move the mouse" |
| 18:39.50 | foxlit | Or whatever their handler for clicking/modifying is |
| 18:40.14 | Legorol | why not just SpecificCheckBox:Click() ;_) |
| 18:40.24 | Legorol | still doesn't move the mouse though |
| 18:40.26 | foxlit | I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or that existed. |
| 18:40.35 | foxlit | :GetScript() seemed a bit more realistic. |
| 18:40.42 | Legorol | it exists, and naturally doesn't count as a hardware event |
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| 18:51.49 | pastamancer | ~seen beladona |
| 18:52.01 | purl | beladona <n=Beladona@josephpartners.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 5h 23m 1s ago, saying: 'I didn't repost it when last I refreshed my svn'. |
| 18:52.39 | Shirik | I'll refresh YOUR svn! |
| 18:55.31 | Kaydeethree | yay for popping tires on the way back from the grocery store /sigh |
| 19:01.49 | Shadowed | How would you match ["name-server"] = "num:num:num:num", can't seem to get the regex to work |
| 19:02.28 | JoshBorke | kergoth: you said you had a patch for LootTracker? |
| 19:04.03 | pastamancer | Shadowed: which part are you trying to match? |
| 19:04.11 | Shadowed | name-server and num:num:num:num |
| 19:05.05 | pastamancer | >>> "name-server":match("^(%s+)-(%s+)$") |
| 19:05.06 | Cide | pastamancer: [string ""name-server":match("^(%s+)-(%s+)$")"]:1: unexpected symbol near '"name-server"' |
| 19:05.15 | pastamancer | >>> ("name-server"):match("^(%s+)-(%s+)$") |
| 19:05.15 | Cide | pastamancer: nil |
| 19:05.24 | pastamancer | >>> ("name-server"):match("^(%S+)-(%S+)$") |
| 19:05.24 | Cide | pastamancer: "name", "server" |
| 19:06.05 | pastamancer | >>> ("1:2:3:4"):match("^(%d+):(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)") |
| 19:06.06 | Shadowed | err |
| 19:06.06 | Cide | pastamancer: "1", "2", "3", "4" |
| 19:06.07 | Shadowed | oops |
| 19:06.08 | pastamancer | like that? |
| 19:06.14 | Shadowed | Yeah, was a different issue actually |
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| 19:06.32 | Shadowed | that explains how the regex looked fine but wouldn't work |
| 19:09.31 | foxlit | Any idea of what the .net regex equivalnt of 1-or-more, non-greedy repetition is? |
| 19:10.54 | foxlit | +? |
| 19:11.12 | foxlit | Sorry about that, msdn wasn't cooperating :P |
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| 19:12.27 | kergoth | JoshBorke: http://wow.pastey.net/21592?lang=diff |
| 19:13.19 | Industrial | Question: do we have os.time() in wow? |
| 19:13.24 | Industrial | or similar |
| 19:13.36 | nevcairiel | date |
| 19:13.43 | Industrial | date() ? |
| 19:14.19 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:14.23 | Industrial | oki thx |
| 19:14.27 | nevcairiel | using strftime syntax |
| 19:14.35 | nevcairiel | irc |
| 19:14.37 | nevcairiel | *iirc |
| 19:15.54 | JoshBorke | did you know that: local name = GetItemInfo(<itemID>); print(GetItemInfo(name)) sometimes returns nil? |
| 19:15.55 | kergoth | JoshBorke: minor bug, when there are enough items in a set that you have to scroll down, the scroll bar overlaps the counts |
| 19:15.55 | JoshBorke | kergoth: i know, buti 'm not sure how to deal with |
| 19:15.55 | JoshBorke | with it rather |
| 19:15.56 | JoshBorke | there's also a bug in adding items |
| 19:16.10 | JoshBorke | if you add it with an amount it doesn't add the item |
| 19:16.11 | kergoth | another minor one, you should focus the editbox for adding a new set when it comes up |
| 19:16.16 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:16.18 | JoshBorke | you think? |
| 19:16.41 | kergoth | i can see that being arguable |
| 19:18.00 | JoshBorke | i'd like it better auto-focus |
| 19:18.10 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: that GetItemInfo thing is interesting. I wonder if it's related to the GetNumRaidMembers/GetRaidRosterInfo problem Grid runs into with the SecureRaidHeader |
| 19:18.35 | kergoth | JoshBorke: one thing thatd be cool, if you could collapse/expand sets in the tracker thingy. probably non-trivial, but itd be cool |
| 19:19.50 | kergoth | JoshBorke: another one, itd be nice to have keybindings for toggling tracker visibility as well as opening/closing the config window |
| 19:19.59 | JoshBorke | kergoth: i hate you :-P |
| 19:20.06 | JoshBorke | put feature requests on my portal |
| 19:20.06 | kergoth | :) i love the addon, don't mind the flood of requests |
| 19:20.08 | JoshBorke | i'm gonna forget those |
| 19:20.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:20.09 | kergoth | k |
| 19:22.03 | kergoth | another one, though i'm just musing on this, not sure, but perhaps an option thatd make it so that after adding an item, it automatically pops up another add item dialog, until you cancel it |
| 19:22.10 | kergoth | would speed up the input process |
| 19:22.21 | kergoth | but i dunno if its worth adding, feature creep can be worrisome :) |
| 19:24.37 | JoshBorke | just finished mys hort slabs run |
| 19:25.05 | JoshBorke | let me lok at these feature requests |
| 19:25.12 | Maldivia | Josh, doesn't the GetItemInfo(name) only work, if you actually have an item with that name ? |
| 19:25.21 | JoshBorke | Maldivia: i had an item with teh name |
| 19:25.39 | JoshBorke | that's why it was so infuriating |
| 19:25.49 | JoshBorke | kergoth: have youl ooked through the code? it's awful |
| 19:25.57 | Maldivia | hmm, ok - weird |
| 19:26.02 | JoshBorke | i have to store a table for itemID -> name look ups |
| 19:26.11 | JoshBorke | because i have to store by name :-/ |
| 19:26.13 | kergoth | some of it i was curious about, cant you use GetItemCount() instead of manually traversing the player's bags? |
| 19:26.17 | JoshBorke | but look up by itemID |
| 19:26.59 | JoshBorke | yea, but then i wouldn't be able to count items that are on a different toon that weren't part of a set to begin with |
| 19:27.24 | JoshBorke | if that makes any sense |
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| 19:28.02 | JoshBorke | kergoth: any recommendations for a new name? i've never been happy with LootTracker |
| 19:28.37 | kergoth | i'm not saying you dont need to store the full table of counts for all the characters, that makes sense, just curious about the actual mechanism for obtaining the current count.. that is, the UpdateBagItemCounts() method |
| 19:28.43 | kergoth | oh dont ask me, i suck at names |
| 19:28.54 | kergoth | remember, i wrote kEnergy.. thats about as uncreative as it gets |
| 19:28.57 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:29.08 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:29.38 | JoshBorke | kergoth: how do i know what items are in the bags without scanning them? |
| 19:29.42 | chuckg | LootTracker? |
| 19:29.45 | chuckg | You want a new name huh? |
| 19:30.07 | JoshBorke | chuckg: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4671-LootTracker.html is the mod |
| 19:30.09 | kergoth | oh, i see what you mean. *slaps forehead* |
| 19:30.50 | JoshBorke | kergoth: perhaps have 2 methods. one method does a full bag scan for storing |
| 19:31.01 | JoshBorke | kergoth: second method does a lazy GetItemCount for tracked items |
| 19:31.41 | JoshBorke | only call the full bag count when logging out or going to the bank |
| 19:33.48 | kergoth | hey, what does rightclick do? |
| 19:33.52 | kergoth | it seems to reposition it oddly |
| 19:33.59 | kergoth | jumps |
| 19:33.59 | kergoth | it confuses me |
| 19:34.10 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 19:34.13 | kergoth | at least it did, maybe it doesnt in the current version |
| 19:34.27 | JoshBorke | i need to disable right click altogether |
| 19:34.39 | kergoth | if i rightclick on the lower right corner of it, it jumps to the lower left.. |
| 19:35.04 | JoshBorke | works fine here |
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| 19:38.39 | kergoth | okay, added those feature requests to the portal |
| 19:39.15 | JoshBorke | PLAYER_DAMAGE_DONE_MODS? o.O |
| 19:40.16 | JoshBorke | no event fired for equiping items? |
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| 19:42.06 | foxlit | inventory changed or something? |
| 19:42.10 | JoshBorke | kergoth: here's what i'll probably do as far as scanning the bags goes |
| 19:42.31 | JoshBorke | kergoth: i'll disable updates while in combat but leave it otherwise until 2.1 when i can see if it's really that big of a deal |
| 19:45.02 | wogggi | Can I cast a spell triggered by chatevent? |
| 19:45.11 | JoshBorke | not without pressing a button |
| 19:45.13 | JoshBorke | and not while in combat |
| 19:45.15 | wogggi | oh okay |
| 19:45.25 | JoshBorke | UI not AI |
| 19:45.36 | wogggi | ;) |
| 19:45.38 | JoshBorke | kergoth: what are you tracking that you equip? |
| 19:46.23 | kergoth | i was playing around with adding sets showing actual gear sets, so i can see at a glance what i'm missing, and stuff |
| 19:46.37 | kergoth | stuff outside your likely use cases ;) |
| 19:46.43 | JoshBorke | indeed ;-) |
| 19:47.01 | JoshBorke | newest version has a way to tell if the window is locked in place or not |
| 19:47.16 | JoshBorke | dunno what version you're using |
| 19:48.11 | JoshBorke | do i still have to use a Bindings.xml to put key bindings in the main blizzard key bindings menu? |
| 19:49.22 | kergoth | i'm using version 1.01 |
| 19:49.37 | JoshBorke | huh, and you're getting that weird right-click behavior... |
| 19:49.42 | JoshBorke | where do you have your tracker? |
| 19:50.10 | kergoth | upper right corner of the screen, near where the blizzard ticket submission thingy shows up |
| 19:50.18 | kergoth | its directly to the left of my nquestlog, which is in the upper right corner |
| 19:50.22 | JoshBorke | can't reproduce that bug |
| 19:51.51 | JoshBorke | 70 rogue named tainting on my server |
| 19:51.52 | JoshBorke | <3 |
| 19:53.23 | JoshBorke | kergoth: how about shift-click keeps the item input window open? |
| 19:53.27 | JoshBorke | or shift-enter |
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| 19:56.46 | JoshBorke | odd. there are 2 LootTracker sections in my Feature Requests |
| 19:58.17 | TC-Working | lol: http://www.qj.net/WoW-player-harrasses-woman-in-game-gets-beat-up-by-woman-s-husband-IRL/pg/49/aid/91058 |
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| 20:24.18 | Kaso | Hmm interesting |
| 20:24.38 | Kaso | "Valid indices are 1, 2, 3" in relation to GetItemGem |
| 20:24.51 | Kaso | So theyre not planning to put more than three sockets on items any time soon |
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| 20:30.08 | Kaso | AnduinLothar, you there? |
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| 20:40.30 | JoshBorke | kergoth: done |
| 20:40.39 | JoshBorke | kergoth: except the collapsable tracker, i don't wanna |
| 20:40.44 | JoshBorke | too much work |
| 20:44.32 | Cairenn | (and approved) |
| 20:48.12 | JoshBorke | 6 more days until i have the full frozen shadoweave set |
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| 21:03.28 | Kaso | what the hell is "(%b[])" in a pattern |
| 21:05.35 | nymbia | Kaso: balanced string |
| 21:06.26 | foxlit | I match [this] |
| 21:06.35 | nymbia | >>> return ('abc[def[hij]]'):match('%b[]) |
| 21:06.36 | Cide | nymbia: [string "return ('abc[def[hij]]'):match('%b[])"]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 21:06.38 | nymbia | >>> return ('abc[def[hij]]'):match('%b[]') |
| 21:06.38 | Cide | nymbia: "[def[hij]]" |
| 21:07.22 | foxlit | %bcd +1 for every occurance of c, -1 for every occurance of d. When it hits zero, the capture is considered complete |
| 21:07.34 | foxlit | Non-greedy by default, if memory serves. |
| 21:08.03 | Kaso | i see |
| 21:08.39 | Kaso | ah, i see it now in the lua manual |
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| 21:08.59 | Kaso | why is it listed seperately from all the other %(charater) patterns >.< |
| 21:10.01 | pastamancer | %f! |
| 21:10.17 | cladhaire | are you talking about %f? |
| 21:10.29 | sysrage | %wtf? |
| 21:10.35 | pastamancer | I mention it because %b isn't the only oddball |
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| 21:10.44 | cladhaire | ah, yes |
| 21:10.45 | cladhaire | but |
| 21:10.45 | cladhaire | cause %f is "unofficially supported" but it could be removed at any time. |
| 21:10.51 | cladhaire | %b is intentional :P |
| 21:10.51 | pastamancer | I'd miss %f |
| 21:10.58 | pastamancer | %f is for fun |
| 21:11.25 | pastamancer | and the closest we have to zero-width assertions |
| 21:11.38 | cladhaire | indeed =) |
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| 21:26.24 | Tem | wheee |
| 21:26.34 | Tem | one last assignment tonight and I'm home free |
| 21:35.02 | Punkie` | that's what you think |
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| 22:37.48 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4547-ElkanosFramesResized.html |
| 22:37.58 | Industrial | If you want to support development, consider donating: <paypalbutton> |
| 22:37.59 | Industrial | wtf? |
| 22:39.00 | Industrial | in other words i dont do this because i like doing it? |
| 22:39.40 | zenzelezz | so just because you enjoy coding addons you should refrain from accepting donations? |
| 22:39.58 | Industrial | yes get a job |
| 22:40.25 | Gryphen | -.- |
| 22:40.26 | zenzelezz | purl, Industrial-- |
| 22:41.09 | Industrial | If you are a normal persion that can support him/herself you dont need donations. |
| 22:41.19 | zenzelezz | he doesn't force you to donate |
| 22:41.20 | Industrial | ofcourse its about the thought. |
| 22:41.45 | Industrial | but id rather have a comment applauding my work instead |
| 22:41.53 | Legorol | i have absolutely no problems accepting donations for what i do for fun |
| 22:42.01 | Legorol | if someone thinks what i do is valuable |
| 22:42.11 | Legorol | but i don't expect it, in fact i'm too lazy to put up a paypal button |
| 22:42.12 | zenzelezz | I got news for you Industrial, people have different opinions |
| 22:42.28 | Industrial | zenzelezz: sure, im voicing mine right now |
| 22:42.28 | Legorol | example: |
| 22:42.33 | Legorol | i pvp for fun |
| 22:42.35 | Gryphen | so it's either charge for your work or not at all Industrial? |
| 22:42.42 | Legorol | if i happened to be good, and invited to a tournament, i'd go for the fun |
| 22:42.43 | zenzelezz | Industrial: and dissing those that disagree |
| 22:42.47 | Legorol | doesn't mean i don't accept a prize if i win |
| 22:43.37 | Industrial | that'd be a competition. I think thats different then putting up a sign like that |
| 22:43.45 | Legorol | you are the luckiest person in the world if you can do something for fun *and* even profit from it |
| 22:44.15 | Industrial | so become a professional programmer |
| 22:44.16 | zenzelezz | putting up a paypal icon is just an easier way than putting up a block of text specifying all the paypal details |
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| 22:45.03 | Industrial | I dont want to value my work with money because i dont consider it a service |
| 22:45.09 | Industrial | or product |
| 22:45.18 | Gryphen | So again, it's either make your product commercial or make it free, nothing in between Industrial? |
| 22:45.32 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:45.37 | Legorol | Industrial: you are not providing it as a service or product |
| 22:45.42 | JoshBorke | perhaps it was in the delivery of the message? |
| 22:45.42 | Legorol | but that doesn't mean others dont' value it |
| 22:45.59 | Legorol | what you are suggesting is that just because you are doing it for yourself, for fun, it doesn't have value for others |
| 22:46.02 | JoshBorke | would it have been ok if it was: "If you like this mod, feel free tos how your appreciaton <paypal>" |
| 22:46.27 | zenzelezz | wasn't that what he said, just in different words? |
| 22:46.29 | Industrial | I'm not saying it has no value for others. I appreciate it very much when people tell me they like what I do and the'y dhave me continue doing it |
| 22:46.53 | Industrial | JoshBorke: no its specifically the tie to money that bothers me |
| 22:47.05 | Legorol | so if one of those people then said they *want to* show their appreciation by paying you money, would you accept it? |
| 22:47.10 | Legorol | you didn't ask, they offered |
| 22:47.18 | Industrial | probably not |
| 22:47.33 | Legorol | then you are making that person sad, you are stopping them from being able to show their gratitude |
| 22:47.36 | Legorol | that's harsh too ;-) |
| 22:47.41 | zenzelezz | why are you getting so steamed about this one? Other authors have done the same already |
| 22:47.47 | Industrial | no, instead i'd tell them how they could really help |
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| 22:47.50 | TC-Working | indeed, it's rude to refuse a gift |
| 22:48.00 | Legorol | there are many people out there who feel that they *want to* donate money, because that's what they feel is the right thing |
| 22:48.20 | Legorol | Industrial: but he doesn't want to help, that takes time/effort and it's not fun for him |
| 22:48.22 | Industrial | TC-Working: yeah well ofcourse i wouldnt be saying "i dont want your money". |
| 22:48.24 | Legorol | it's easier for him to pay money |
| 22:48.31 | Industrial | thats not help |
| 22:48.34 | zenzelezz | "I don't know how to code, I don't know how to do graphics... can I perhaps offer a token amount of money to show my support?" "No, go stfu" |
| 22:48.54 | Legorol | zenzelezz, that's a bit extreme |
| 22:48.59 | Industrial | thats the problem. money doesnt translate to efficiency when you are doing it for fun |
| 22:49.05 | zenzelezz | he's been extreme in his opinion so far |
| 22:49.08 | Legorol | Industrial: no it doesn't, i agree |
| 22:49.13 | TC-Working | well you could always be gracious and take it, then turn around and donate it...say to wowi or whatever |
| 22:49.16 | Legorol | but i am saying, look at it from the *other* people's pov |
| 22:49.18 | Legorol | not you as author |
| 22:49.19 | Legorol | but the users |
| 22:49.22 | Industrial | you dont _need_ the money to do better. you need their debugging |
| 22:49.25 | Industrial | etc |
| 22:49.26 | Legorol | they want to somehow show their appreciation |
| 22:49.30 | Legorol | money is the easiest way for them |
| 22:49.31 | Industrial | inspiration ideas tips |
| 22:49.31 | Kirkburn | This is personal choice, no one is forcing anyone to do /anything/ here |
| 22:49.40 | TC-Working | yes we are Kirkburn |
| 22:49.48 | JoshBorke | fix me some damn eggs Kirkburn! |
| 22:49.51 | TC-Working | he doesnt have the right to be different |
| 22:49.58 | Legorol | Industrial: now you are dictating what you want from your users, how is that different from wanting money? |
| 22:50.03 | Legorol | "i want ideas, bug reports etc." |
| 22:50.06 | Legorol | "i want $10" |
| 22:50.09 | Legorol | i don't see the difference |
| 22:50.15 | Industrial | no |
| 22:50.19 | Industrial | you are seeing it wrong |
| 22:50.24 | Kirkburn | Some users /want/ top donate, whether or not there is the option |
| 22:50.26 | Industrial | in the case where they want to offer help |
| 22:50.26 | Kirkburn | *to |
| 22:50.36 | Industrial | id rather not have money |
| 22:50.45 | zenzelezz | no-one is forcing you to accept anything either |
| 22:50.53 | Industrial | so thats what im saying |
| 22:50.53 | zenzelezz | let other authors disagree |
| 22:50.54 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:50.56 | Legorol | that's true, you don't have to accept the money |
| 22:51.15 | Legorol | i understand that you getting $10 won't help the project along |
| 22:51.16 | Kirkburn | (though, personally, I wouldn't have made the option so prominent) |
| 22:51.39 | Gryphen | i like vbulletin.org's way of adding paypal to the mod release |
| 22:51.43 | Kirkburn | How about regarding coding as "charity"? |
| 22:52.00 | Shadowed | Apparently i missed a fun convo |
| 22:52.22 | Kirkburn | Yup, and looks like I killed it ^^ |
| 22:52.22 | zenzelezz | let me ask this: Do you find that text so much more disturbing than the "Make a donation" picture? |
| 22:52.23 | Industrial | Kirkburn: hmm. |
| 22:52.33 | Legorol | Industrial: we are not debating your preferences, we are pointing out that your outright exclamation that what said author is doing is "wrong" is you being inflexible |
| 22:52.34 | Shadowed | If a user likes your work enough to donate then you should be happy that you made something that someone liked enough to donate because of it. |
| 22:53.05 | Shadowed | as long as it's not obtrusive or demanding, who cares let them do what they want |
| 22:53.13 | Legorol | i completely see Industrial's point that him getting money wont' make him happy or help his project in any way |
| 22:53.22 | Legorol | but that doesn't mean that other authors are bad because it makes *them* happy |
| 22:53.24 | Industrial | i just think its wrong. |
| 22:53.26 | zenzelezz | I've seen the "Make a donation" picture around for a while, and not until now have I noticed anyone complaining about people accepting that |
| 22:53.36 | Legorol | Industrial: and that's where we disagree, that you think it's wrong |
| 22:53.38 | Legorol | It's not wrong |
| 22:53.40 | Legorol | It's just different |
| 22:53.45 | Industrial | zenzelezz: and ill be the first one to complain about these kinds of things |
| 22:53.46 | Shadowed | Think of it this way |
| 22:53.50 | Shadowed | how much time do you put into an addon? |
| 22:53.55 | Kirkburn | From my view, to attempt to force you own ideals and morals on other people is sometimes worse than the whatever those morals may be |
| 22:53.58 | Shadowed | 1-2 hours? 5-10? weeks? months? |
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| 22:54.10 | Industrial | Kirkburn: im not forcing anything. |
| 22:54.10 | Kirkburn | (damn, still messed up the grammar) |
| 22:54.13 | zenzelezz | Industrial: did you not see any other authors/addons offering that link before now? |
| 22:54.19 | Legorol | Industrial: then consider the flipside |
| 22:54.20 | Industrial | no this was the first |
| 22:54.30 | Legorol | if said author, by receiving donations, gets motivated more and does a better job... |
| 22:54.36 | zenzelezz | I believe Cartographer has had the link at the very top of the page for a while at least |
| 22:54.36 | Legorol | who are we to say that what he does is wrong? |
| 22:54.40 | zenzelezz | along with others I'm sure |
| 22:54.42 | Kirkburn | Worldofwar has it as a built-in option for authors |
| 22:54.47 | Legorol | btw, there wouldn't even be anythign wrong with a commercial addon project |
| 22:55.06 | Industrial | Legorol: then he/she is by my opinion to materialistic and doesnt care enough about his hobby. |
| 22:55.17 | Gryphen | who says its a hobby? |
| 22:55.20 | Legorol | wait wait |
| 22:55.27 | Legorol | the two are entirely independent things |
| 22:55.31 | Kirkburn | He said "commercial" specifically |
| 22:55.34 | zenzelezz | dear god, I'm getting Stallman flashbacks |
| 22:55.37 | Legorol | caring for a hobby and being materialistic are very different |
| 22:55.40 | Legorol | and can happen at the same time |
| 22:55.53 | Legorol | you are displaying the kind of dedication that is usually associated with fanaticism |
| 22:56.06 | Industrial | if the being materialistic influences the time you spend on your hobby.. how .. why... i dont get that. |
| 22:56.07 | Legorol | and are expecting others to display the same level of fanaticism |
| 22:56.37 | Legorol | because there are 6 billion people on Earth, and some of those are motivated by different thigns? |
| 22:56.53 | Legorol | ok, look at it from this side then: |
| 22:57.05 | Legorol | for some people, material rewards such as money are pleasurable |
| 22:57.16 | Legorol | if they see people are donating, it shows to them that their work is worthwhile |
| 22:57.41 | Legorol | it's a great feeling to know that your work is worthwhile and appreciated, and if you feel you get that feedback from teh amount of $$$ that rolls in, is that wrong? |
| 22:58.08 | Legorol | you could count the number of "great work" comments |
| 22:58.14 | Industrial | it certainly makes your cool-factor drop for me |
| 22:58.23 | Legorol | you can go by the amount of people that have your addon as their favourite |
| 22:58.27 | Legorol | or you can count the $$$ |
| 22:58.30 | Legorol | makes no difference |
| 22:58.33 | zenzelezz | oh noes, not my cool-factor! ANything but my cool-factor! |
| 22:58.36 | Legorol | all are arbitrary measures of your success |
| 22:58.50 | zenzelezz | I don't code to be liked |
| 22:58.51 | Industrial | zenzelezz: and thats my only point her. i think its uncool. |
| 22:59.24 | Legorol | well, i would bet my yellow swift mechanostrider that many people in this channel are geeks and were considered uncool when they were at school ;-) |
| 22:59.28 | Legorol | "cool" is a very relative term |
| 22:59.48 | JoshBorke | is not |
| 22:59.51 | Legorol | anyhoo, i think we reached the limit of this conversation |
| 22:59.53 | Shadowed | Cool usually means following the herd :p |
| 22:59.57 | JoshBorke | it's a global, universal term for meeting my approval :-P |
| 23:00.12 | Legorol | there is only one abslute cool, and that's approximately at -273.15 degrees Celsius |
| 23:00.15 | Industrial | i dont want to count my number of erplies either. thats also materialism just as you said - in a different way. |
| 23:00.16 | zenzelezz | I have no problem with you feeling it's uncool, or bad form, or whatever; I just don't like anyone start their opinion-sharing by saying "wtf" |
| 23:00.29 | zenzelezz | that pretty much says you're not going to be looking objectively at it |
| 23:00.41 | Legorol | wtf, zenzelezz is objecting to Industrial's way of expressing his opinions |
| 23:00.53 | Industrial | zenzelezz: uncool. |
| 23:00.55 | Legorol | but Industrial has the complete freedom to express his opinion in as vocal and uncool manner as he wishes ;-) |
| 23:00.58 | TC-Working | heh |
| 23:01.01 | zenzelezz | I've never claimed to be cool |
| 23:01.14 | JoshBorke | careful, the walls have eyes |
| 23:01.24 | Industrial | <_< >_> |
| 23:01.28 | zenzelezz | in fact I'm surprised Cairenn's never kicked me, since I'm not much better than those I flame |
| 23:01.34 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:01.42 | Legorol | btw, have i ever said that i love this channel? |
| 23:01.42 | JoshBorke | s/much/any/ |
| 23:01.46 | Legorol | you can have the best debates here, |
| 23:01.54 | Legorol | the smartest people, the wildest opinions the biggest fights |
| 23:02.01 | Shadowed | And you still never agree |
| 23:02.02 | TC-Working | mmm...hypocrite |
| 23:02.07 | JoshBorke | like, actual debates instead of flame wars? |
| 23:02.14 | Legorol | flame wars are also educational |
| 23:02.16 | JoshBorke | who woulda thunk it |
| 23:02.19 | Legorol | you learn something about morals every day |
| 23:02.21 | zenzelezz | all good debates end as flame wars |
| 23:02.27 | Legorol | meh |
| 23:02.28 | zenzelezz | otherwise you're doing it wrong |
| 23:02.31 | Legorol | i disagr, zenzelezz |
| 23:02.36 | Legorol | i think you are wrong |
| 23:02.38 | JoshBorke | yea, but there's a point in teh debate where it isn't a flame war |
| 23:02.56 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me if I was, but my opinion would remain all the same |
| 23:02.57 | Legorol | i think zenzelezz is wrong, and i know i'm right and the only right |
| 23:02.58 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 23:03.02 | Legorol | teasing |
| 23:03.06 | JoshBorke | i would think on a topic based on morals or internal feelings it can only end in a flame war |
| 23:03.16 | Legorol | you are wrong too, Josh_Borke |
| 23:03.23 | Legorol | we just ended it all in a channel-hug |
| 23:03.26 | JoshBorke | yes, josh_Borke is never right |
| 23:03.38 | JoshBorke | it's quite sad really |
| 23:03.39 | Legorol | damned tabcomplete, that is wrong too |
| 23:03.42 | TC-Working | heh |
| 23:03.53 | TC-Working | cycle it damit, cycle |
| 23:03.53 | Legorol | the whole world is wrong, i tell you |
| 23:04.05 | Industrial | capitalists. |
| 23:04.12 | Legorol | you are wrong! why should i have to cycle it? |
| 23:04.16 | Legorol | damn machine should read my thoughts |
| 23:04.26 | Industrial | (yes that was also a joke, intented and true, but a joke) |
| 23:04.27 | zenzelezz | you'd be surprised, I'm usually the one leaning more towards communism ;-o |
| 23:04.29 | TC-Working | then it would go boom |
| 23:04.42 | zenzelezz | *hat... |
| 23:04.48 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:04.51 | JoshBorke | fetching your hair? |
| 23:04.52 | TC-Working | if my computer could read my mind it would prolly melt |
| 23:04.54 | JoshBorke | balding so soon? |
| 23:04.57 | Legorol | has anyone been in BT or hyjal on the PTR? |
| 23:05.06 | Legorol | i'm trying to get in but noone on my PTR goes :( |
| 23:05.24 | zenzelezz | if I ever do go bald, I'm getting a tattoo on the back of my head like 47 o_O |
| 23:05.29 | Legorol | at the rate my guild is going, we'll be BT attuned in approximately 100 years, give or take 50 |
| 23:05.51 | JoshBorke | someone is fishing in my spot :-( |
| 23:06.21 | zenzelezz | let that be a lesson to you Josh, I always get my revenge |
| 23:07.11 | TC-Working | zenzelezz...have you ever been stabed by a fishing pole? |
| 23:07.31 | zenzelezz | think I was ganked with the green horde one once |
| 23:07.43 | Industrial | heh was just going to say that |
| 23:08.11 | TC-Working | well it may happen again... |
| 23:08.22 | Industrial | dun dun DUN |
| 23:08.37 | zenzelezz | do your worst, I'm plate \o/ |
| 23:08.55 | TC-Working | not me...i'm talking about JoshBorke wating behind you with his pole |
| 23:09.08 | zenzelezz | not that's an ambiguous statement |
| 23:09.10 | TC-Working | hmm..that didnt sound quite right |
| 23:09.14 | zenzelezz | and it scarded me |
| 23:09.22 | Industrial | lol |
| 23:09.44 | Industrial | JoshBorke: do you play tauren? |
| 23:09.47 | JoshBorke | whacha fishing for TC? ;-) |
| 23:09.56 | JoshBorke | no, i'm an ugly dwarf priest |
| 23:10.00 | TC-Working | not me...you |
| 23:10.16 | JoshBorke | you were teh one talking about poking people |
| 23:10.54 | TC-Working | yes, you poking zenzelezz for taking your fishing spot |
| 23:11.21 | JoshBorke | i only poke my fiancee, who does not happen to be zenzelezz |
| 23:11.33 | zenzelezz | that's what she wants you to think |
| 23:11.40 | TC-Working | heh...ewww |
| 23:11.51 | JoshBorke | yea, that was my first thought too tc |
| 23:12.11 | zenzelezz | hokay, I just realized I read you wrong... |
| 23:12.28 | zenzelezz | shouldn't type while not paying attention |
| 23:12.37 | Bleeter | quick question: when the level cap was raised to 70, did the 'village' NPC guards get a level bump too? |
| 23:13.04 | JoshBorke | some, not all |
| 23:13.06 | TC-Working | yes zenzelezz, please please pay attention when typeing |
| 23:13.36 | zenzelezz | somehow the "be" became a "know" in my mind :-| |
| 23:14.04 | zenzelezz | of course his sentence didn't make sense then, but such things rarely register with me before it's too late |
| 23:14.08 | Tem | Legorol, I didn't even finish reading what you had to say about a commercial addon product, but I wanted to voice my opinion anyway |
| 23:14.18 | Bleeter | had a 70 mage clearing Tarren Mill of all NPCs and holding it last night... was *very* annoying. He basically one-shotted all the town NPCs, and as for the guards just frost-novad then that arcane blast thing twice, and they were gone |
| 23:14.43 | JoshBorke | Bleeter: no, most lower lvl towns did not get guards upped |
| 23:14.50 | Tem | Legorol, while I don't have any right to tell them what they can and cannot do, I would _NEVER_ help such a project along |
| 23:14.51 | JoshBorke | booty bay and gadgetzan did, i know |
| 23:14.53 | JoshBorke | not sure about others |
| 23:14.58 | Tem | in fact, I would be insulted if asked to help them |
| 23:15.10 | Bleeter | also had three players clear and hold crossroads too |
| 23:15.10 | amro | i think SS and TM guards got upped as well |
| 23:15.15 | amro | at least in beta |
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| 23:21.18 | Bleeter | Industrial: just reading the scrollback... so, Norganna's range of mods are uncool 'coz we accept donations to help pay for the huuuge amount of bandwidth as well as CPU power we need? |
| 23:21.37 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 23:21.39 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 23:22.05 | Bleeter | Industrial: further, as a matter of example, the Gaim chat program renamed to Pidgin to help fend of a nasty fight with AOL... now, part of what they had to do was set up a non-profit board of management kinda thing to help 'protect' the pidgin name and logos and stuff. |
| 23:22.40 | TC-Working | purl, hate OV |
| 23:22.42 | Bleeter | Industrial: for that, they have to pay lawyers, managers, etc. etc. That they've currently funded it from their own pockets is admirable, but should those particular individuals be forced to do that for eternity? |
| 23:23.13 | Bleeter | in theory, every mod author should legally protect themselves behind a non-profit organisation... but that's a whole diff story |
| 23:23.15 | Corrodias | how dare you let people give you money? |
| 23:23.33 | Corrodias | my god says you're not supposed to do that, mind you |
| 23:24.49 | Corrodias | just kidding, anyway |
| 23:24.53 | TC-Working | hmm..your god must not be jewish then |
| 23:24.54 | Corrodias | we got the maiden to 7% twice last night |
| 23:24.57 | Bleeter | Industrial: Pidgin moved off from Sourceforge, and now have a co-lo agreement with a virtualised hosting company... when they were @ SF, during a release we'd generated somewhere (iirc) around 1/2 TB of traffic... if it weren't for people donating... well, you can imagine the rest |
| 23:24.57 | Corrodias | i really don't like her |
| 23:25.45 | Corrodias | had my feral druid healing the tank during repentance |
| 23:26.02 | Corrodias | problem was, on the last 3 attempts she showed a penchant for using Holy Fire on me during that time |
| 23:26.38 | zenzelezz | it will remain in the repentance or it gets the holy fire |
| 23:26.39 | TC-Working | have to love holy...no resistances found |
| 23:26.53 | zenzelezz | nonsense, there's that lowbie potion |
| 23:27.02 | TC-Working | hmm? |
| 23:27.08 | Corrodias | holy resistance maybe |
| 23:27.09 | zenzelezz | wait, that absorbs damage, doesn't give resist |
| 23:27.10 | Corrodias | there's also holy protection |
| 23:27.26 | TC-Working | afaik nothing gives holy resistance |
| 23:27.34 | Tem | you are correct |
| 23:27.39 | Tem | holy resist does no exist |
| 23:27.52 | TC-Working | which is fun for priests |
| 23:28.53 | TC-Working | though there really should be, if you can have shadow resists, i think you should have holy resists as well |
| 23:29.19 | TC-Working | just seems kinda like fair play to me |
| 23:30.02 | Shirik|zZz | there was a joke item that gave holy resist once :P |
| 23:30.31 | TC-Working | similar to the tin foil hat? |
| 23:30.40 | Shirik | oh was that it? |
| 23:30.44 | TC-Working | no |
| 23:30.44 | Shirik | I forget what it was |
| 23:30.46 | Corrodias | "balancemaker"? |
| 23:30.47 | Shirik | ah |
| 23:30.48 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 23:30.54 | Corrodias | i wish |
| 23:30.56 | Tem | [The Stoppable Force] |
| 23:31.00 | Shirik | lol. |
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| 23:31.11 | Shirik | personal favorite is [Broken I.W.I.N. Button] |
| 23:31.24 | Tem | heh |
| 23:31.43 | Mikma | [Pet Rock] |
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| 23:33.35 | TC-Working | i rather like [Wirt's Third Leg]....i keep wondering where he kept it though |
| 23:40.43 | zenzelezz | Cairenn totally killed the conversation |
| 23:40.48 | TC-Working | i know |
| 23:41.02 | TC-Working | that was only a 19 min delay in hugging |
| 23:41.03 | Cairenn | I do that |
| 23:41.03 | Legorol | woot, PTR patch |
| 23:55.09 | Corrodias | so our guild leader finally decided to leave completely |
| 23:55.19 | Corrodias | i cannot understand these people |
