| 00:00.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh you mean in beta |
| 00:00.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, it was compared to swipe and maul |
| 00:00.19 | Thrae | The Druid Forums were all in uproar when Lacerate was released on PTR |
| 00:00.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they nerfed maul |
| 00:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and swipe |
| 00:00.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | then nerfed them again |
| 00:00.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now there's nothing BUT lacerate |
| 00:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and mangle |
| 00:01.12 | Thrae | Well, I still think Swipe is fine for off-tanking and some main-tank situations (far less so then before for the latter) |
| 00:01.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think tangedyn did some number crunching and found lacerate to be better on bleed immunes |
| 00:02.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/on/even on/ |
| 00:02.07 | Thrae | I hold the slightly pessimistic view that most players are largely unskilled, and Swipe is useful for those too often "Oh Crap That Warrior Isn't Holding Aggro On All Mobs" |
| 00:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Seconded |
| 00:02.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so do i |
| 00:02.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | but instead of trying to overreach |
| 00:02.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i let them know they suck by dying |
| 00:02.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | er by letting them die |
| 00:02.45 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well if that's true, then I can't help but concede |
| 00:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | let me do some checking |
| 00:03.11 | Corrodias | if my mage isn't polymorphing a mob when he should be, i don't go after it if it's headed for him |
| 00:03.27 | Corrodias | mostly because i know if i do, i'll hit it just AFTER he casts |
| 00:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually adapted to that situation now |
| 00:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I *always* sheep my mob after it's broken *twice* |
| 00:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Three times depending on the tank/person poking the stupid thing |
| 00:04.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gnarfoz_ (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz) |
| 00:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still use swipe when i get bored of pressing 1 nonstop and feel like pressing 4 |
| 00:04.15 | Thrae | You can't blame people for being stupid. You can try to help them learn, but don't really blame them. |
| 00:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:04.22 | Corrodias | rabies: try rebinding it |
| 00:04.26 | Corrodias | it's a lot more exciting when it's alt+4 |
| 00:04.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i help them learn by letting them die :p |
| 00:04.42 | Corrodias | like some exotic, special ability |
| 00:04.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, mage, you like attacking the target i'm not attacking |
| 00:04.49 | Kaso | i always double or treble cast if im shackling |
| 00:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, a tank I know had that same mentality |
| 00:05.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope you also like tanking |
| 00:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, he didn't click off his Salvation buff during the tech packs in BWL |
| 00:05.09 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I've been in way too many groups where they keep dying and dying, people get fed up and leave |
| 00:05.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=Legorol@zr205.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 00:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather have an empty spot in a few groups |
| 00:05.32 | Corrodias | i'm happy to pull back a mob after someone makes a mistake... but if it's a rogue chronically pulling aggro, i'll let him evasion tank until i'm ready for it |
| 00:05.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they're too stupid to learn they can sit in shattrath crying |
| 00:05.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | no mercy for the stupid |
| 00:05.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 00:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, there's a difference in a mistake |
| 00:06.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone accidentally breaks sheep from time to time |
| 00:06.11 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: When you only have select periods of time you can play and you want to get that 1 quest you have left in that instance, people tend to make exceptions |
| 00:06.15 | Garoun | woot, got my enchant bracer - Major defense :) |
| 00:06.17 | Corrodias | ah, i'm going to recommend something, rabies |
| 00:06.21 | Garoun | only took 150 researchers :/ |
| 00:06.21 | Corrodias | tell that person what they're doing wrong |
| 00:06.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tend to |
| 00:06.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | "hey, try focus firing guys" |
| 00:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Quoting the forums: "I'm okay with, 'I wonder what this does.' I'm not okay with, 'sorry I didn't see that guys' after seven tries." |
| 00:06.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they don't get the point i don't even try to tank their target |
| 00:06.49 | Corrodias | "attack the star! THE STAR! DO YOU KNOW WHAT A STAR IS?" |
| 00:07.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've given people gold stars for successfully not being an idiot in a fight |
| 00:07.10 | Corrodias | i've wanted to say this once |
| 00:07.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | with the raid icons :x |
| 00:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:07.21 | Thrae | I tell the person what they're doing wrong, then try to compensate for the mistakes they're making, more-so if they keep getting it wrong. If I'm just getting too frustrated with their incompetence, I'll leave the group there instead of just wiping over and over again |
| 00:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | same, thrae |
| 00:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually have all of the raid markers bound to alt+numpad |
| 00:07.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i usually don't die |
| 00:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the messups are just stupidity that doesn't affect me |
| 00:08.11 | Corrodias | i think my raid markers are control+fkeys |
| 00:08.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | aka the rogue decides to pick another target and try tanking while yelling HEEL PLZ |
| 00:08.14 | Corrodias | *icons |
| 00:08.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do the same thing on my druid |
| 00:08.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 00:08.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i'm healing on my druid |
| 00:08.29 | Shirik | 20:08:14 ‹Mr_Rabies2› aka the rogue decides to pick another target and try tanking while yelling HEEL PLZ |
| 00:08.31 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: The numlock keys are treated different then number / arrow keys in bindings? |
| 00:08.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i refuse to heal people that are consistently stupid |
| 00:08.35 | Shirik | I yell at that rogue |
| 00:08.35 | Thrae | Errr |
| 00:08.37 | Shirik | and refuse to heal |
| 00:08.38 | Thrae | numpad keys |
| 00:08.40 | Corrodias | i do your mom when i'm on my druid. disclaimer: this is totally not true |
| 00:08.42 | Shirik | I WILL NOT heal anyone like that |
| 00:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, they are if you turn numlock on. :) |
| 00:09.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shirik, i'm the same way, in both roles |
| 00:09.12 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: Ah, never knew that, nice. |
| 00:09.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | now, i'll tank if i see the tank is doing a bad job |
| 00:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | NUMPAD0..NUMPAD9 |
| 00:09.12 | Corrodias | interesting... |
| 00:09.13 | Shirik | that's different |
| 00:09.13 | Corrodias | i might bind those to something |
| 00:09.14 | Shirik | if you're being intelligent |
| 00:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | In addition to NUMPADPLUS and whatnot, iirc |
| 00:09.20 | Shirik | instead of just picking a random target and yelling about how you need heals |
| 00:09.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather tank something in cat form if i have to than the priest tank if the tank misses a target |
| 00:09.48 | Shirik | that's different |
| 00:09.53 | Corrodias | i'm a bat cat. i can pull aggro. this is because i've had very little experience being in a dps role in groups. :( |
| 00:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, I have all of my conjures and consumables bound to the numpad without modifiers. Alt makes it raid markers, and I have yet to have a need for control. |
| 00:10.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pull aggro often too corr |
| 00:10.03 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's why I love being a Druid -- we're the best at compensating for other people's mistakes ;) |
| 00:10.03 | Corrodias | i try not to, and it's getting rare that i do, now |
| 00:10.24 | Corrodias | there are times when i wished i had growl in cat form |
| 00:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae, yes, but my patience for others' stupidity has decreased over time |
| 00:10.34 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: For most right-handed people like myself, it would be difficult to use the Numpad very often |
| 00:10.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a difference in stupidity and a mistake |
| 00:10.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | mistakes i can understand |
| 00:10.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, i've had nights where i CAN'T STOP BREAKING SHEEP |
| 00:11.02 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:11.04 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: As has mine, but mistakes and stupidity happen. I'd rather be in a situation to deal with it then just feel helpless. |
| 00:11.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i apologize and do what i can to minimize damage |
| 00:11.11 | Shirik | sheep.... must... serpent... sting.... |
| 00:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, I'm right handed myself. However, it's not hard to reach over and push "3" while I'm in mid-jump to use that mana gem. |
| 00:11.18 | Shirik | prevent sheeps.... |
| 00:11.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, most of the time i'm not in situations where one guy messing up = wipe |
| 00:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, I'm called a freak because I don't have ANY buttons on screen, and am strictly a keybinder.. |
| 00:11.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just means that one guy gets to pay money |
| 00:12.19 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: I have my buttons set to 60% scale and almost never use them. I have a maximum amount of keybinds I can remember to hit, so I use macros to compensate. |
| 00:12.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a keybinder too, but i like the buttons there just incase i knock myself stupid |
| 00:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, and any place where you'd use a pot as a mage (PvE is about it...), if you need to use a pot, it's probably best you stand still so the tank can get aggro back :) |
| 00:13.01 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: I have four macros which deal with 99% of the situations I'd eat, drink, use a pot/healthstone, or use a mana pot/gem |
| 00:13.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god |
| 00:13.17 | Corrodias | i think my action bars all full of stuff is pretty |
| 00:13.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the worst |
| 00:13.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | the chicken mages |
| 00:13.30 | Corrodias | i've seen those |
| 00:13.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't tell you how many times i've yelled STOP RUNNING SO I CAN FREAKING GROWL AT IT |
| 00:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, yup. Same here. 2.0 was my savior in terms of button space/removal of buttons. |
| 00:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ chicken mages |
| 00:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's sad but true |
| 00:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | because druid range bug + moving target=pain |
| 00:13.57 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: Well, it also depends on how fast you can go over to the Numpad...for me, I'm not so fast. I mostly keep my hands in the same position all the time. |
| 00:14.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pay attention when i'm tanking, to clothies |
| 00:14.09 | Corrodias | me too |
| 00:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae, yeah, that does a lot |
| 00:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually stand inbetween the tank and the healers in Kara |
| 00:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So when a random mob breaks loose, I can FN |
| 00:14.29 | Tem|Work | Kaso, still looking for that texture? |
| 00:14.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | if one pulls aggro and it's a mistake or just healing aggro or whatever, i'm there in less than a second most times, unless he's being a noob and running around |
| 00:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They love me for that. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the raid who gets shots of PI. |
| 00:14.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're consistently playing chicken mage, i don't even stop attacking the target i'm on |
| 00:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | afk dinner |
| 00:15.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just let it kill you and lacerate it a few times when it walks back to me |
| 00:15.30 | Kaso | Nah Tem|Work im too lazt to check all the worldmaps to try work out which peice it is |
| 00:15.38 | Tem|Work | Kaso, you don't have to, noob |
| 00:15.40 | Thrae | 1,2,3,4,5,T,A,D,V,F,Z <-- main. C,Shift+Z,Shift+Left Button,Shift+Right Button,Ctrl+Left Button, Wheel Button, Shift+Wheel Button,Button4,Button5,Shift+Button4, etc. |
| 00:15.45 | Corrodias | looks like STV to me |
| 00:15.46 | Kaso | hm? |
| 00:15.46 | Tem|Work | the item link is in the screenshot |
| 00:15.55 | Tem|Work | ask GetItemInfo what the texture is |
| 00:15.58 | Thrae | That setup keeps my hands almost always in the same position (except when I'm talking, of course) |
| 00:16.03 | Kaso | already did that Tem |
| 00:16.08 | Tem|Work | and? |
| 00:16.15 | Kaso | It was a bugged texutre and went to correct one after relog |
| 00:16.30 | JoshBorke | <self plug> Bindings Reminder will tell you where all your keybindings are, in case you want to make sure you've optimized :-D |
| 00:16.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1234567 (as many as i need) are my damaging abilities, the rest of the spots are debuffs for that form |
| 00:17.07 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I found 6&7 are too far from W,S,Q,E for me |
| 00:17.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | shift 12345 are buffs, and the rest are healing abilities (on my second multibar) |
| 00:17.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use WSAD to move often |
| 00:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually mouse4+ right mouse button |
| 00:17.40 | Tem|Work | Kaso, so if it showed up as the right texture, then you also have the texture path |
| 00:17.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | numpad 12346 are shifting |
| 00:17.44 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I use SmartBuff in a macro to buff with one button click |
| 00:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5 is mount |
| 00:17.47 | Tem|Work | then all you have to do is look in the mpqs for it |
| 00:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke, a true keybinder doesn't need a reminder, he plays on instinct and wit alone.. any mispush was intentional, and always for the better. |
| 00:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 00:18.13 | Tem|Work | Kaso, unless I'm missing some crucial part of what the problem is? |
| 00:18.24 | Kaso | Mr_Rabies relogged before i could ask him to GetTexture() on the icon |
| 00:18.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | the texture was wrong for the item :x |
| 00:18.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing it was just a bugged part of shatt |
| 00:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, I've had that bug occur a LOT. |
| 00:18.40 | Tem|Work | oh! |
| 00:18.45 | Tem|Work | okay |
| 00:18.58 | Tem|Work | I didn't realize the icon given in that screenshot was wrorng |
| 00:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2, just trash your WDB folder and it'll fix itself. |
| 00:19.10 | Tem|Work | that's what I was missing |
| 00:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | its fixed from relogging |
| 00:19.35 | Legorol | sorry to butt in, did you have wrong textures showing up on your UI? |
| 00:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was just odd |
| 00:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 00:19.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | just that one |
| 00:19.49 | Legorol | was it after an Alt+Tab? |
| 00:19.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.51 | Kaso | ive seen wrong items for buffs before |
| 00:19.54 | Thrae | Default UI can all kinds of wacky problems |
| 00:19.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | perhaps, lego |
| 00:19.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't remmebr |
| 00:20.02 | Thrae | Most related to video card drivers |
| 00:20.11 | Tem|Work | also, I'd like to add that if that enchant doesn't proc all the damn time, it looks pretty terrible |
| 00:20.16 | Legorol | the default UI, even without any addons, can show one or many wrong textures, especially after Alt+Tab |
| 00:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | weird thing is i don't use the default world map |
| 00:20.24 | Legorol | /console gxrestart fixes it |
| 00:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use alphamap, which uses the right icon |
| 00:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 00:20.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | same textures, and stuff |
| 00:20.36 | Thrae | I've seen people w/ myriad video cards have stuff like wolves covered in human face textures |
| 00:20.36 | Corrodias | oooh god |
| 00:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Work, it stacks infinitely, and applys the threat to the one with the enchant. Put it on the MT and he'll never lose aggro. |
| 00:20.44 | Corrodias | this hard apple cider tastes good |
| 00:20.50 | Legorol | what do i need to look at on the SS? |
| 00:21.02 | Tem|Work | ScytheBlade1, how often does it proc? |
| 00:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man, i have to find that picture of a model change gone wrong thrae |
| 00:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Work, The comments say more about it than I could: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22557#c0z |
| 00:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Work, the tooltip is also wrong. :) |
| 00:22.02 | Tem|Work | cool thanks |
| 00:22.21 | Corrodias | wish my druid could use that |
| 00:22.22 | Tem|Work | oh so it's really 180 to 300 damage? |
| 00:22.25 | Corrodias | wait, do enchants proc? |
| 00:22.31 | Tem|Work | that's considerably less terrible than I thought |
| 00:22.36 | Tem|Work | Corrodias, in forms? not afaik |
| 00:22.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 00:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it's much better than what the tooltip says |
| 00:22.51 | Corrodias | :( |
| 00:22.57 | EArmbrust | you know you play too much when you try to click item links in screenshots. |
| 00:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:23.15 | Thrae | Corrodias: Roll a Balance Tanking Druid! |
| 00:23.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | kaso |
| 00:23.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | do you have archives searching? |
| 00:23.31 | Thrae | Oomkins can use proc enchants :D |
| 00:23.33 | Tem|Work | ScytheBlade1, wowhead seems to indicate that it's an instant heal now. Is that correct? |
| 00:23.56 | Corrodias | i changed my mage back to frost. couldn't take it. |
| 00:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Work, not sure. Ask Mr_Rabies who has the enchant ;) |
| 00:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't learned it |
| 00:24.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm only 324 |
| 00:24.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 00:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so tempted to sell the formula but i know i'll get mroe |
| 00:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's only 3000g on my local AH |
| 00:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 00:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i sell the actual enchant |
| 00:24.36 | Thrae | I still like Engineering, even after BC |
| 00:24.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm too lazy to bother leveling it |
| 00:24.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and also i want 300 riding some day |
| 00:25.00 | Thrae | Lots of people cry about it, but really Engineering offers stuff you can't get the equivilent anywhere else |
| 00:25.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't feel like burning 2000g on getting from 325-375 |
| 00:25.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's cheap and relatively easy to level, thrae |
| 00:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Work, all that I do know is that if it's a HoT, every additional proc simply adds another buff to you. Likewise, it really stacks endlessly. |
| 00:25.33 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Not cheap for me, hehe. I hate farming :D |
| 00:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, there's a couple of brick walls, but once you're past them it's super easy leveling |
| 00:25.38 | Tem|Work | NEAT |
| 00:25.39 | Tem|Work | caps |
| 00:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's cheap compared to enchanting |
| 00:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | enchanting would cost me, probably, 8000g to level |
| 00:25.53 | Thrae | That's certainly true |
| 00:26.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | from 0-375 without getting any of my own mats |
| 00:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and piss broke because of it |
| 00:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hehe |
| 00:26.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm at 4800g |
| 00:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 1200g |
| 00:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | No flying epic I should add |
| 00:26.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully i'll get the extra 200 or so so i can get my epic flight form in 2.1 |
| 00:26.44 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well that's not really a good way to judge a craft...Engineering is much harder to level then Enchanting if you both start 'em at like Level 10 |
| 00:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ehhhh |
| 00:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno about that |
| 00:27.08 | Tem|Work | engineering is a PITA to level |
| 00:27.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | you've never leveled enchanting to 300 or so have you? :P |
| 00:27.34 | Tem|Work | enchanting is easy to level if you start early |
| 00:27.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got from 0-300 enchanting in one night on <100g :O |
| 00:27.37 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Have you leveled up Engineering to 300 or so? |
| 00:27.39 | zenzelezz | friend of mine was a bit upset about the difficulty of getting hit engineering from 360ish I think to 375 |
| 00:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 00:27.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's incredibly easy |
| 00:27.47 | Thrae | OK, then I concede to your knowledge |
| 00:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only hard part |
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| 00:27.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | is remmebering, okay, i need to make this |
| 00:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong button. |
| 00:28.04 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Wait...with or without farming? |
| 00:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | which requires this, which requires this and this, which this requires this |
| 00:28.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly without thrae |
| 00:28.48 | JoshBorke | Thrae: just get WhoMod, i'll tell you the code to get 375 in any trade-skill in a PM ;-) |
| 00:29.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | little bit of farming, plus some free mats from a couple friends, and a powerleveling guide for engineering |
| 00:29.10 | Thrae | The problem with Engineering, Jewelcrafting, and Alchemy in my mind is that all their farming is easy but BORING |
| 00:29.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm an enchanter/herbalist |
| 00:29.42 | Thrae | At least in Enchanting you're doing stuff like running instances solo to farm |
| 00:29.42 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't say farming for blacksmithing is very fun either |
| 00:29.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'll agree its boring as hell to pick flowers |
| 00:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | however it's free money more or less |
| 00:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i don't complain too much |
| 00:29.57 | Thrae | That's always fun |
| 00:29.57 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Oops, forgot that one |
| 00:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | see a flower, pick it up, sell it as soon as i get to a mailbox |
| 00:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | leatherworking is boring and pretty much money-less |
| 00:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | leather/skinning |
| 00:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | enchanting isn't really boring, because you either buy greens or get them in instances, you don't farm them |
| 00:31.26 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I find it too boring to even bother nowadays...like I said, I'd rather run instances |
| 00:31.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been solo farming slave pens |
| 00:31.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | while i still can :D |
| 00:31.48 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I like farming greens in instances, its fun to try and push the Druid's soloability |
| 00:32.01 | Thrae | I don't have Enchanting though |
| 00:32.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i farm the herbs |
| 00:32.13 | Thrae | Because DE only gets you to 75 :D |
| 00:32.46 | Thrae | Mining might have gotten to the equivilent of Herbalism for a money-maker on some servers |
| 00:32.58 | Thrae | Because of Jewelcrafting |
| 00:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A41qa4PeNc |
| 00:33.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | watch that thrae |
| 00:33.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and profit, if you're an herbalist |
| 00:33.22 | Thrae | Engineering/Mining, I said I'm an Engineer :D |
| 00:33.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 00:33.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i cant remember with all these T* classes |
| 00:33.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | well watch that video anyway |
| 00:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i demand it |
| 00:34.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate when people type stuff in say in their videos |
| 00:34.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | when it gets chucked into a flash streamer i can't read it you jerk! :argh: |
| 00:34.47 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: They should change their font to 14+! |
| 00:34.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | 72 or bust |
| 00:35.01 | zenzelezz | I thought you could only DE/smelt ore to 50, not 75 |
| 00:35.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | one letter per scroll of the chat window |
| 00:35.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Mr_Rabies2> i cant remember with all these T* classes |
| 00:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | er names, rather |
| 00:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | my brain is on autopilot methinks |
| 00:36.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | sleeping for 14 hours tends to do that |
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| 01:18.28 | Thunder_Child | ~seen cladhaire |
| 01:19.12 | purl | cladhaire is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 3h 11m 25s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 01:19.12 | cladhaire | hi |
| 01:19.12 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 01:19.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:19.13 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...my list sucks, thats my excuse and i am sticking to it |
| 01:19.13 | Shirik | uh huh... |
| 01:19.29 | Shirik | thank you purl |
| 01:19.41 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 01:19.41 | purl | aw, gee, Thunder_Child |
| 01:20.05 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: whats up? |
| 01:20.13 | Thunder_Child | what was that string you wanted said again? |
| 01:20.21 | Tain | I can be your Hero baby. |
| 01:20.25 | cladhaire | "You have arrived at your destination" |
| 01:20.30 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 01:21.02 | cladhaire | np |
| 01:21.57 | Shirik | translating? |
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| 01:26.18 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/adoftheyear_1.gif |
| 01:26.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:28.43 | sysrage | figures i get home and can't login |
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| 01:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i were that guy, i'd use the bike to get far away from that situation |
| 01:41.56 | zenzelezz | level 5 and I've already had two gold-spam tells |
| 01:42.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | hehehe |
| 01:42.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno how they do it |
| 01:42.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than lots of /whos |
| 01:42.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | on proxy accounts |
| 01:43.13 | sysrage | nice bike too |
| 01:43.30 | sysrage | i just got a new helmet. it's sexy |
| 01:45.10 | zenzelezz | which? |
| 01:45.23 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: just need one /who for every area |
| 01:45.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, for every area under 49 players |
| 01:45.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but there's a delay |
| 01:46.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hence why censusplus takes so damn long |
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| 02:17.24 | Tain | Heroes good. |
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| 02:23.35 | AnduinLothar | is today's online yet? |
| 02:25.02 | zenzelezz | today's? |
| 02:25.35 | AnduinLothar | it's monday |
| 02:37.24 | Industrial | I just seriously said "asdf". I couldnt find something I was looking for. |
| 02:37.45 | Industrial | its going down hill >_> |
| 02:37.48 | Shirik | you "said" asdf? |
| 02:37.51 | Industrial | yes |
| 02:37.52 | Industrial | lol |
| 02:37.56 | Shirik | how do you pronounce that? |
| 02:38.15 | Kaydeethree | "ass duh eff"? |
| 02:38.16 | ckknight | I pronounce it "ass-diff" |
| 02:38.35 | Industrial | asduff |
| 02:38.37 | JoshBorke | A es de ef |
| 02:38.38 | Industrial | or something |
| 02:38.47 | JoshBorke | you guys are weird |
| 02:38.51 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 02:39.06 | Industrial | JoshBorke: we wub you too |
| 02:39.08 | Shirik | svn diff ass |
| 02:39.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:39.17 | Shirik | sorry: 22:38:17 ‹ckknight› I pronounce it "ass-diff" |
| 02:39.18 | Industrial | sigh |
| 02:39.18 | Industrial | :P |
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| 02:51.33 | JoshBorke | firefox mem usage: 228MB |
| 02:52.16 | zenzelezz | what about it? |
| 02:52.37 | JoshBorke | all because of that page kaso linked earlier |
| 02:53.10 | Nom- | patch day today? |
| 02:53.18 | JoshBorke | uh, no |
| 02:53.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | new build just hit the ptr |
| 02:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2-4 weeks still |
| 02:54.53 | Nom- | yay |
| 02:55.18 | Nom- | another few weeks of not being nerfed! |
| 02:58.31 | kahdgarxi | what do you play nom? |
| 03:07.36 | Nom- | Paladin |
| 03:08.02 | ckknight | pallies for life |
| 03:08.08 | ckknight | ;-) |
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| 03:14.41 | Shirik | pallies ftl |
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| 03:49.54 | Hackop | anyone awake that can tell me the difference between CraftFrame and TradeSkillFrame |
| 03:52.20 | Eternally777 | To my knowledge, CraftFrame is used for the enchanting profession, whereas TradeSkillFrame is used for Alchemy. |
| 03:52.20 | Eternally777 | I don't know which of the two the other professions use, though. |
| 03:52.40 | Hackop | That's a bit silly. |
| 03:52.51 | Hackop | Thank you though, for the answer. |
| 03:53.27 | Eternally777 | Anytime. I had to research the same thing when looking at the code for AdvancedTradeSkillFrame. |
| 03:55.07 | Hackop | yeah, i'm actually looking over that same code |
| 03:55.47 | Hackop | I was actually more curious as to how it opened its own window vs the default blizzard window. ATWS is the only addon I have right now that overrides something like that. So... |
| 03:56.39 | Eternally777 | Oh, that would be easy. Just unregister the event that's fired when the frame opens from the UIParent frame. |
| 03:56.47 | cogwheel | just unregister the default UI frame's event that triggers it and have your addon respond to the same event |
| 03:57.05 | Hackop | hah. |
| 03:57.10 | Hackop | that... I did not think of. |
| 03:57.24 | Eternally777 | Actually, last time I looked at it, ATSW simply hid the default Blizzard frame as soon as it opened. |
| 03:57.29 | Hackop | it does |
| 03:57.34 | Hackop | which is sort of kludgy to me |
| 03:57.44 | Hackop | it sets the alpha and the scale, iirc |
| 03:57.47 | Eternally777 | Trust me, it's a forewarning. |
| 03:58.35 | Hackop | That the whole mod is kludged up? |
| 03:59.16 | Eternally777 | In my humble opinion, yes. |
| 03:59.22 | Hackop | I'll agree. |
| 03:59.29 | Shirik | what's ATSW? |
| 03:59.35 | Hackop | Advanced Trade Skill Window |
| 04:00.02 | cogwheel | it's wonderfully useful but looking under the hood makes me cringe... |
| 04:00.07 | Eternally777 | Yep. |
| 04:00.12 | Eternally777 | I tried to rewrite it once. |
| 04:00.16 | cogwheel | Eng Inventory et seq. as well... |
| 04:01.48 | Eternally777 | Maybe I'll try to do it again, since my guild just disbanded... That frees up about 6 hours each night -- I'll need something to keep me busy. |
| 04:01.59 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 04:06.37 | kahdgarxi | so i got my new license plate the other day |
| 04:07.08 | kahdgarxi | for my motorcycle |
| 04:07.12 | kahdgarxi | 'HAX' |
| 04:08.53 | AnduinLothar | score |
| 04:09.23 | zenzelezz | SS or it didn't happen |
| 04:10.02 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 04:10.12 | kahdgarxi | i need a camera >_> |
| 04:15.57 | kahdgarxi | so.... |
| 04:16.03 | kahdgarxi | anyone in the mood to help with some debugging? |
| 04:16.13 | Shirik | I guess |
| 04:16.20 | Shirik | it's not like my BRD group is ever going to accomplish anything |
| 04:18.30 | kahdgarxi | http://wowi.pastey.net/20005 |
| 04:18.34 | kahdgarxi | <3 irssi |
| 04:18.42 | kahdgarxi | i almost just pasted the whole source into chat |
| 04:18.43 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 04:19.12 | kahdgarxi | yes, i know my code is horribly ugly |
| 04:19.19 | kahdgarxi | and the syncing error correction is a horrible horrible hack |
| 04:19.26 | kahdgarxi | and i need to create a container for all my globals |
| 04:19.32 | kahdgarxi | anyways |
| 04:19.39 | kahdgarxi | the function i'm working in os UHLS_DoLoot() |
| 04:19.45 | kahdgarxi | it having... issues |
| 04:19.49 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:19.53 | kahdgarxi | it's supposed to move the looting player to the bottom of the list |
| 04:19.53 | Shirik | p(msg) seems familiar |
| 04:19.59 | kahdgarxi | i stole it :) |
| 04:20.16 | kahdgarxi | freezing nonpresent players in place |
| 04:20.25 | kahdgarxi | i'm keep running into a couple issues |
| 04:20.45 | kahdgarxi | weird things happen when the bottom of the list is nonpresent |
| 04:21.46 | kahdgarxi | especially when you have more than one |
| 04:22.06 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to be doing |
| 04:22.15 | kahdgarxi | the addon or the function |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | the addon |
| 04:22.31 | kahdgarxi | it tracks looting |
| 04:22.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:22.35 | kahdgarxi | say i have 5 players |
| 04:22.37 | Shirik | missed this: 00:19:40 ‹kahdgarxi› the function i'm working in os UHLS_DoLoot() |
| 04:22.37 | kahdgarxi | 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 04:22.41 | kahdgarxi | player too loots an item |
| 04:22.46 | Shirik | what is that function supposed to do then |
| 04:22.48 | kahdgarxi | player two* |
| 04:22.54 | kahdgarxi | 1 3 4 5 2 is the new order |
| 04:23.01 | kahdgarxi | it reorders the numbers |
| 04:23.14 | Shirik | your UHLS_OnEvent is wrong |
| 04:23.15 | Shirik | very wrong |
| 04:23.33 | kahdgarxi | really? |
| 04:23.35 | kahdgarxi | it works |
| 04:23.42 | Shirik | correct, but it's wrong |
| 04:23.46 | Shirik | um |
| 04:23.49 | Shirik | either |
| 04:24.04 | Shirik | change 468 to UHLS_EventMsgHandler(...) |
| 04:24.21 | Shirik | or (preferably) change 460 to function UHLS_OnEvent(self, event, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) |
| 04:24.36 | kahdgarxi | ah |
| 04:25.12 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 04:25.17 | cogwheel | or use an event dispatch table... |
| 04:25.26 | Shirik | or that |
| 04:26.05 | Shirik | he doesn't even say bye :( |
| 04:26.12 | kahdgarxi | :( |
| 04:26.40 | Shirik | wow... |
| 04:26.46 | Shirik | tinsert(order, tremove(order, order[looterLoc])) |
| 04:26.47 | Shirik | o.o |
| 04:26.54 | kahdgarxi | ? |
| 04:27.15 | kahdgarxi | what's wrong with that? |
| 04:27.19 | Shirik | it's.... |
| 04:27.22 | Shirik | well, it's ugly >< |
| 04:27.26 | kahdgarxi | it remove the entry, then puts it somewhere else |
| 04:27.27 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 04:27.28 | Shirik | you really should be using table.sort |
| 04:27.49 | kahdgarxi | what is this table.sort you speak of? |
| 04:27.58 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 04:28.28 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/pil/6.html |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | ctrl+f for table.sort |
| 04:28.58 | Eternally777 | Wow, what exactly would that line do? |
| 04:29.16 | Fin | http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/sort |
| 04:29.23 | Fin | http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/table.sort |
| 04:29.26 | Eternally777 | Oh, that's tinsert, not table.sort. Heh, I'm tired. |
| 04:29.34 | kahdgarxi | heheh |
| 04:29.36 | Fin | </plugtastic> |
| 04:31.02 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | will explain after boss :P |
| 04:31.19 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 04:32.38 | kahdgarxi | makes snse |
| 04:32.40 | kahdgarxi | sense* |
| 04:32.43 | Eternally777 | kahdgarxi: table.sort sorts a table. |
| 04:32.43 | kahdgarxi | but i have no idea how to apply it |
| 04:32.57 | kahdgarxi | yes, by iteravely calling a function that you define |
| 04:33.10 | kahdgarxi | what i don't understand, is how on earth to write that function |
| 04:33.15 | Eternally777 | You don't have to. |
| 04:33.20 | Eternally777 | In most cases |
| 04:33.28 | Eternally777 | You can call it without a function. |
| 04:33.41 | kahdgarxi | well |
| 04:34.26 | Eternally777 | What table is being sorted? What line on your pastey are we looking at? |
| 04:34.39 | kahdgarxi | i'm not using table.sort in my code |
| 04:34.46 | kahdgarxi | Shirik's saying i should be |
| 04:35.19 | Eternally777 | I know, where is 'tinsert(order, tremove(order, order[looterLoc]))' |
| 04:35.32 | kahdgarxi | it's in UHLS_DoLoot() |
| 04:35.44 | kahdgarxi | line 332 |
| 04:35.47 | kahdgarxi | 331* |
| 04:35.52 | EArmbrust | is there a UI test environment so I don't need to be logged into the game/running the full client to test? |
| 04:35.59 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 04:36.01 | kahdgarxi | that would rock |
| 04:36.23 | Shirik | EArmbrust: PTR :P |
| 04:36.27 | Shirik | or the Lua interpreter |
| 04:36.33 | Shirik | depending on what you're trying to do |
| 04:36.34 | Kaydeethree | I remember seeing a distro of lua with wow-specific compilation options somewhere |
| 04:36.39 | EArmbrust | lua511wow |
| 04:36.57 | EArmbrust | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lua511wow/ |
| 04:37.16 | Fin | <not actually here>http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench</gone no really> |
| 04:37.46 | Fin | [not actually here]http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench[/gone no really] |
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| 04:38.08 | Shirik | what do you call it? |
| 04:38.10 | kahdgarxi | this |
| 04:38.11 | kahdgarxi | looks neat |
| 04:38.21 | Shirik | it's extremely limited |
| 04:38.25 | Shirik | I don't see really the benefit of it |
| 04:38.41 | Fin | I shall call it "I, ah.. C-cup?" |
| 04:39.31 | Fin | breasts |
| 04:39.51 | EArmbrust | mammoth mammory mastication |
| 04:41.21 | Eternally777 | kahdgarxi: You're just trying to take the first person in the list and move them to the last position in the list? |
| 04:41.23 | Shirik | screw it |
| 04:41.25 | Shirik | I'm leaving this group |
| 04:41.30 | Shirik | this has got to be the WORST brd group ever.. |
| 04:41.34 | kahdgarxi | Eternally777: no |
| 04:41.57 | kahdgarxi | It has to reorganise the list fairly intelligently |
| 04:42.16 | Eternally777 | that's what 'tinsert(order, tremove(order,order[looterLoc]))' is doing. |
| 04:42.34 | kahdgarxi | not the first person in the list |
| 04:42.36 | Eternally777 | Well |
| 04:42.37 | Eternally777 | Yeah |
| 04:42.51 | Eternally777 | I mean, taking any person out of the list and moving them to the bottom. |
| 04:42.56 | kahdgarxi | yes |
| 04:42.57 | kahdgarxi | but |
| 04:42.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 04:43.02 | Shirik | aren't you trying to sort this table? |
| 04:43.03 | Shirik | or what? |
| 04:43.05 | kahdgarxi | people who are not present in the raid |
| 04:43.10 | kahdgarxi | need to stay where they are |
| 04:43.14 | kahdgarxi | so |
| 04:43.19 | kahdgarxi | if i have player 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 04:43.20 | Eternally777 | Is this for DKP tracking? |
| 04:43.27 | kahdgarxi | 3 and 5 are not there |
| 04:43.33 | kahdgarxi | Eternally777: yes, basically |
| 04:43.35 | kahdgarxi | and 1 loots an item |
| 04:43.44 | kahdgarxi | new order is 2 4 3 1 5 |
| 04:43.53 | Shirik | uhh |
| 04:43.57 | Eternally777 | heh |
| 04:44.01 | Shirik | why? |
| 04:44.22 | kahdgarxi | why? |
| 04:44.23 | Shirik | 24135 or 24351 make sense... |
| 04:44.24 | Shirik | (to me) |
| 04:44.24 | kahdgarxi | what do you mean why? |
| 04:44.27 | Eternally777 | Yeah, I'm not going to lie. That doesn't make much sense to me. There's probably a different way to go about this. |
| 04:44.28 | Shirik | but not 24315 |
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| 04:44.41 | Eternally777 | That's what I was going to say. :-) |
| 04:45.38 | kahdgarxi | why would 5 get to move up a place if they're not present |
| 04:45.48 | Shirik | 3 did.. |
| 04:45.53 | Eternally777 | ^ |
| 04:45.53 | kahdgarxi | no |
| 04:46.05 | kahdgarxi | 3 and 5 stayed where they were |
| 04:46.10 | kahdgarxi | didn't budge |
| 04:46.26 | kahdgarxi | nonpresent players are frozen in place |
| 04:46.43 | kahdgarxi | i don't want to penalize them or reward them, so they stay where they are |
| 04:46.53 | Eternally777 | I think their is probably a better way to accomplish what you're trying to do. |
| 04:46.59 | kahdgarxi | i hope so |
| 04:47.12 | Eternally777 | Because if you stay on this path, you're going to cause a tremendous amount of headaches. :-P |
| 04:47.19 | kahdgarxi | yes, i know |
| 04:47.27 | kahdgarxi | wait |
| 04:47.41 | kahdgarxi | are you talking about loot system philosiphy or addon design? |
| 04:47.49 | kahdgarxi | and i can't spell tonight |
| 04:47.49 | Eternally777 | Addon design. |
| 04:47.53 | kahdgarxi | okay, good |
| 04:47.54 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 04:48.08 | Eternally777 | I'm not questioning DKP in general :-P |
| 04:48.22 | Shirik | owwwwwwwww |
| 04:48.25 | Shirik | ok that was painful |
| 04:48.30 | Shirik | so like, I log in |
| 04:48.36 | Shirik | and every sound is being repeated over and over and over again |
| 04:48.36 | kahdgarxi | every time i explain this system to people they don't believe it will work :P |
| 04:48.40 | kahdgarxi | owwww |
| 04:48.45 | Shirik | so my pet growls, and I hear him growling every second from once he starts |
| 04:48.48 | Shirik | then I open the guild window |
| 04:48.52 | kahdgarxi | hahahaha |
| 04:48.54 | Shirik | now I hear the growl and the click every second |
| 04:49.00 | Shirik | so I close that and open a bag |
| 04:49.02 | Shirik | now the three sounds |
| 04:49.06 | Eternally777 | heh, that sucks. |
| 04:49.11 | kahdgarxi | not enough rage not enough rage not enough rage not enough rage |
| 04:49.15 | Shirik | eventually they stack upon each other to the point where they're blasting my ears out ><M |
| 04:49.19 | Shirik | oh, also |
| 04:49.26 | Shirik | the little "boom" when you click the "enter world" button |
| 04:49.34 | kahdgarxi | haha |
| 04:49.47 | kahdgarxi | hmmmm |
| 04:49.51 | kahdgarxi | what if i |
| 04:49.57 | Shirik | almost sounded as if it could pass off as techno |
| 04:49.58 | kahdgarxi | extract all of the nonpresent people from the table |
| 04:50.01 | kahdgarxi | saving their spots |
| 04:50.35 | kahdgarxi | then move the looter to the bottom |
| 04:50.40 | kahdgarxi | which will be easy |
| 04:51.00 | kahdgarxi | and then just put all of the nonpresent players back in, at the same, previous positions |
| 04:51.03 | kahdgarxi | hmmmmmm |
| 04:51.16 | kahdgarxi | what do you guys think? |
| 04:52.30 | Fin | didn't you just describe... what you're trying to do? |
| 04:52.32 | EArmbrust | is there a way for an addon to communicate data to other players addons (the same addon) that are outside of the guild/party/raid? |
| 04:52.47 | Shirik | EArmbrust: Yes, but you'll have to open up a hidden channel |
| 04:52.54 | EArmbrust | okay, i thought so |
| 04:52.54 | Fin | EArmbrust: yes, there's a hidden channel for addons |
| 04:53.02 | Fin | -that! |
| 04:53.12 | Fin | wait |
| 04:53.24 | Fin | actually I guess I don't know the answer |
| 04:53.37 | Fin | is the addons channel restricted to the current instance or something? |
| 04:53.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:53.47 | Shirik | there's an addons channel? |
| 04:53.48 | Fin | s/thought/assumed/ |
| 04:54.03 | Eternally777 | kahdgarxi: Sounds less complex to me. |
| 04:54.07 | Shirik | everything I know just creates a hidden channel |
| 04:54.28 | kahdgarxi | Eternally777: yeah, not sure how I'd format my temporary table though |
| 04:55.11 | EArmbrust | and a second question: can a single addon join/create multiple hidden channels? |
| 04:55.20 | Shirik | sure |
| 04:55.24 | EArmbrust | fantastic |
| 04:55.31 | kahdgarxi | there shouldn't be a need though |
| 04:55.39 | kahdgarxi | imo |
| 04:55.47 | kahdgarxi | just prefix whatever you send on that message with a header |
| 04:55.55 | Shirik | EArmbrust: There's no difference between an "Addon" channel and a "hidden" channel |
| 04:55.57 | kahdgarxi | s/message/channel/ |
| 04:55.58 | Shirik | er |
| 04:56.09 | Shirik | there's no difference between an "Addon" channel and a "Chat" channel |
| 04:56.19 | Shirik | just that addon channels don't typically have easily readable information |
| 04:56.27 | Shirik | s/readable/human-readable/ |
| 04:56.28 | EArmbrust | the addon channel specification on wowwiki specifies that addon channels are limited to guild/party/raid |
| 04:56.37 | Shirik | That's with SendAddonMessage() |
| 04:56.42 | EArmbrust | right |
| 04:56.51 | Shirik | you want SendChatMessage() |
| 04:56.55 | EArmbrust | yeah |
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| 05:03.51 | Shirik | Hate it when I have a bug that drives me nuts for days |
| 05:03.56 | Shirik | only to discover it's a missing "+1" |
| 05:04.02 | kahdgarxi | ugh |
| 05:04.02 | kahdgarxi | me |
| 05:04.03 | kahdgarxi | too |
| 05:04.09 | kahdgarxi | just earlier today |
| 05:04.14 | kahdgarxi | i tried to convert a variable |
| 05:04.18 | kahdgarxi | with tonumber(var) |
| 05:04.24 | kahdgarxi | instead of var = tonumber(var) |
| 05:04.28 | kahdgarxi | >_< |
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| 05:12.16 | Kaydeethree | huzzah, the forums are up |
| 05:12.28 | Shirik | anybody good with pattern matching on? |
| 05:12.56 | Cairenn|afk | graphical or code? :p |
| 05:13.25 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 05:13.55 | Karrion | Shirik: I'm decent with regexes, not quite so good on lua's version of them... |
| 05:13.57 | Shirik | code sorry >< |
| 05:14.04 | Shirik | Ok, well I have a regex versio nof it too that isn't working |
| 05:14.10 | Fin | shoot |
| 05:14.14 | kahdgarxi | --[[ this is a comment, correct? ]]-- |
| 05:14.15 | Cairenn|afk | well, it's a valid question - I am pretty good at coming up with tile-able graphics |
| 05:14.22 | Fin | I like to think I'm better than I actually am |
| 05:14.26 | Shirik | kahdgarxi: The ending -- isn't necessary but yes |
| 05:14.35 | Eternally777 | kahdgarxi: '--' comments out 1 line |
| 05:14.43 | Fin | start: --[[ |
| 05:14.44 | kahdgarxi | hmmm |
| 05:14.46 | Eternally777 | --[[ comments out until it hits a ']]' |
| 05:14.46 | Fin | end: ]] |
| 05:14.51 | kahdgarxi | well crap |
| 05:14.51 | Shirik | ok here's the regex version: ([A-Za-z0-9]+)'s ([A-Za-z0-9 \\']+?) (critically)? heals ([A-Za-z0-9]+?) for ([0-9]+) |
| 05:15.12 | Shirik | It needs to match "Jez's flash heal heals Jez for 198450325" |
| 05:15.48 | Karrion | move the space either before or after critically into the parentheses |
| 05:16.07 | zenzelezz | I thought you just used the ones from globalstrings.lua and replaced the %...s with (.+) or similar |
| 05:16.09 | Shirik | ooooh |
| 05:16.31 | Shirik | zenzelezz: nah, this is a simple example, I need more than what this shows |
| 05:16.42 | Shirik | Karrion: Nice catch |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | perfect... |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:17.42 | Karrion | np... you're lucky I was dealing with a pattern much like that the other day, and it look me ages to figure it out >.< |
| 05:17.48 | Shirik | hehe |
| 05:18.30 | Fin | (%w+)'s (.*) (critically )?heals (%w+) for (%d+) |
| 05:19.00 | Shirik | nah |
| 05:19.02 | Shirik | not %w+ |
| 05:19.07 | Shirik | well, yes in this one |
| 05:19.15 | Shirik | but in a lot of others that's not correct :P |
| 05:19.29 | Shirik | besides I don't like %w and %d personally :P |
| 05:19.31 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 05:19.34 | Shirik | just personal taste |
| 05:19.38 | Fin | you're searching for two spaces as well there with " (critically)? heals" |
| 05:19.44 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:19.51 | kahdgarxi | if i'm scanning through a table |
| 05:19.52 | Shirik | 01:16:42 ‹Shirik› Karrion: Nice catch |
| 05:19.57 | Shirik | But thanks for pointing it out again :) |
| 05:19.58 | kahdgarxi | and i remove the line i'm working with |
| 05:20.06 | kahdgarxi | then i'm going to skip the next line |
| 05:20.10 | kahdgarxi | because it will move up |
| 05:20.21 | kahdgarxi | i guess, i'll just move my index back one if i remove a line |
| 05:20.27 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 05:20.43 | Fin | -5 points |
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| 05:21.29 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:21.40 | Nom- | %w is just a shortcut |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik | yeh |
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| 05:21.49 | Nom- | saves you from typing the bracketed lists |
| 05:21.56 | Shirik | evening Iriel :) |
| 05:22.05 | Iriel | Evening |
| 05:22.06 | Shirik | yeh it's just kinda like how my mind operates |
| 05:22.10 | Fin | and actually it's wrong, because you only really need %a for names |
| 05:22.11 | Fin | but |
| 05:22.16 | Shirik | I find typing out the character class easier |
| 05:22.17 | Fin | names can have non-ascii characters |
| 05:22.24 | Fin | so... |
| 05:22.30 | Nom- | Indeed... |
| 05:22.31 | Shirik | Yeah well |
| 05:22.36 | Shirik | if they're an asshat they don't deserve to use my mod :P |
| 05:22.37 | Fin | as Bam suggested in a thread, here's a good regex for matching names: |
| 05:22.46 | Fin | [^%s%p%d%c%z]+ |
| 05:22.47 | Shirik | Actually I'm just lazy for now, I'll touch it up later |
| 05:22.50 | Shirik | ow... |
| 05:22.55 | Shirik | might as well be .+ |
| 05:22.58 | Nom- | Shirik: That'd also exclude those 'asshats' in Japan and other countries? |
| 05:23.07 | Shirik | Exactly! |
| 05:23.10 | Fin | that's "everything that's not a space or a punctuation character or a digit or a control character or represented as 0" |
| 05:23.13 | Shirik | If they don't live in the US they deserve to be called asshats |
| 05:23.21 | Shirik | Actually I think |
| 05:23.55 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:23.55 | Shirik | digits are valid in names? |
| 05:23.55 | Shirik | aren't they? |
| 05:23.55 | Fin | no |
| 05:23.55 | Shirik | ah, oops |
| 05:23.55 | Shirik | oh well :P |
| 05:23.55 | Karrion | not in player names |
| 05:23.55 | Fin | hah |
| 05:23.55 | Karrion | not sure about hunter pet names |
| 05:24.18 | Nom- | xenophobe |
| 05:24.40 | Shirik | ~dict xenophobe |
| 05:24.41 | Fin | my guild had loads of people with funny characters in their name |
| 05:24.47 | Shirik | ~dict xenophobia |
| 05:24.59 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:25.03 | Shirik | ~dict 2 xenophobia |
| 05:25.06 | Nom- | Xenophobia- Fear of strangers or foreigners. |
| 05:25.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:25.13 | Fin | but |
| 05:25.17 | Fin | foreigners are weird |
| 05:25.19 | Fin | they're foreign |
| 05:25.25 | Shirik | I know really |
| 05:25.33 | Shirik | how dare they be foreign! |
| 05:26.02 | Shirik | (For those non-US people, please note I don't really hate the rest of the world >< ) |
| 05:26.05 | Shirik | (I'm not Bush) |
| 05:26.06 | Fin | there's children playing this game, you know |
| 05:26.12 | Nom- | I suppose you're xenoglossophibic too? |
| 05:26.18 | Fin | ooh |
| 05:26.21 | Nom- | ps/phi/pho/ |
| 05:26.22 | Fin | what the fuck is that? |
| 05:26.30 | Nom- | I suppose you're xenoglossophobic too? |
| 05:26.38 | Shirik | Afraid of foreign glossy objects |
| 05:26.44 | Fin | "t" "o" "d" "a" "y" |
| 05:26.51 | Fin | there you go |
| 05:26.52 | Nom- | Fear of foreign languages |
| 05:27.00 | Shirik | actually I know quite a few foreign languages |
| 05:27.03 | Fin | foreigners have their own languages?! |
| 05:27.05 | Shirik | I'm not really xenophobic >< |
| 05:27.16 | Fin | pff, well, I mean, there you go |
| 05:27.52 | Shirik | Je vais parler français tout le temps maintenant :P |
| 05:28.20 | Karrion | ok, so who's good with Boolean logic? |
| 05:28.26 | Fin | Boole |
| 05:28.27 | Shirik | de morgan's law ftw |
| 05:28.29 | Shirik | Fin: rofl |
| 05:28.30 | Fin | he was pretty shit hot |
| 05:28.34 | Karrion | Fin: lol |
| 05:29.10 | Nom- | wtb |
| 05:29.16 | Nom- | wtf |
| 05:29.21 | Fin | 5 quid |
| 05:29.26 | Nom- | There's actually enough people afraid of walking that they actually named it |
| 05:29.34 | Nom- | Ambulophobia - Fear of walking. |
| 05:29.54 | kahdgarxi | I'd take out the trash, but I'm afraid I have abulophobia. |
| 05:30.02 | Nom- | Even scarier |
| 05:30.12 | Nom- | Anablephobia - Fear of looking up. |
| 05:30.16 | Karrion | specifically, can anyone think of a way to simplify: if ((¬A) ∧ ((¬B) ∨ C)) then ... elseif (A ∧ B ∧ (¬C)) then ... end |
| 05:30.16 | kahdgarxi | :O |
| 05:30.54 | Nom- | omg |
| 05:31.01 | Nom- | Now it's getting absurd and i'm still in the a's |
| 05:31.08 | Shirik | um |
| 05:31.10 | Iriel | Since the two statements have different ...'s (potentially) there's no simplication that would leap out |
| 05:31.19 | Nom- | Arachibutyrophobia - Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of the mouth. |
| 05:31.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:31.24 | Shirik | I'm going to guess |
| 05:31.32 | Shirik | my IRC client completely fubared that statement |
| 05:31.55 | AnduinLothar | omg 10k mana for the 1st time. i win |
| 05:31.58 | Iriel | if ((not a) and ((not b) or c)) then ... elseif (a and b and (not c)) then ... end |
| 05:32.04 | Nom- | Shirik: Nah, I can't read it too...it's come through in UTF8 on my screen tho |
| 05:32.22 | Karrion | yeah the ... are different, I keep looking at it thinking, the same A, B, C, surely there should be a better way, but I can't see one |
| 05:32.48 | Shirik | Use a kmap |
| 05:32.50 | Shirik | :D |
| 05:33.01 | Shirik | they make the simplest expressions with the least amount of work |
| 05:33.13 | Iriel | Given that lua does shortcut evaluation, and they're different expressions, I dont think you NEED to think about optimization |
| 05:33.56 | Iriel | if A is false the rest of the first statement gets evaluated, if it's true the rest of the 2nd does |
| 05:34.00 | Karrion | yeah, it's not so much execution efficiency, more just that it seems... inelegant |
| 05:34.32 | Iriel | Well ((not b) or c) is not (b and (not c)) |
| 05:34.54 | Iriel | But to be honest you'd make more of a mess exploiting that |
| 05:35.15 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.19 | Nom- | Oh come on, that's just absurd |
| 05:35.34 | Fin | oh dear |
| 05:35.44 | Karrion | yeah, so I could, if ((not b) or c) then if (a) ... end else if (not a) ... end but that's just as bad |
| 05:35.51 | Fin | I thought that was some reference to addons... |
| 05:35.52 | Shirik | two possible expressions for the first part: |
| 05:35.55 | Nom- | The scary thing is...for them to name the condition, someone must have it |
| 05:36.18 | Fin | someone who has an unnatural fear of Bongos or something |
| 05:36.34 | Shirik | (not (a or b)) or ((not a) and b) |
| 05:36.37 | Shirik | or |
| 05:36.48 | Kaydeethree | meh. just latin-mashing. what's the fear of #13? triskadecaphobia? |
| 05:36.57 | Shirik | (c and not a) or not (a or b or c) |
| 05:37.26 | Shirik | (If I drew the map correctly, that is) |
| 05:37.31 | Nom- | Triskaidekaphobia |
| 05:37.39 | Fin | what's that book with people who transport other people around on these discs that float over the sea, powered by their hydrophobia |
| 05:37.48 | Nom- | Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia- Fear of the number 666. |
| 05:37.57 | Fin | bless you |
| 05:37.58 | kahdgarxi | hahaha |
| 05:41.40 | zenzelezz | I have a fear of phobias |
| 05:41.55 | Thunder_Child | Fin, the color magic |
| 05:41.58 | Nom- | Phobophobia |
| 05:42.02 | Thunder_Child | part of the diskworld series |
| 05:42.28 | Nom- | I wonder if there's a phobophobophobia |
| 05:42.35 | Nom- | The fear of having fear of phobias |
| 05:42.41 | Eternally777 | It is. |
| 05:42.42 | Fin | thank you |
| 05:42.56 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 05:42.58 | Eternally777 | I don't know if that's the proper terminology for it though. |
| 05:43.30 | Eternally777 | Yeah, google says it is the proper word. |
| 05:43.39 | Thunder_Child | my bad, thats supposed to be, "The Color of Magic" |
| 05:43.47 | Nom- | Some people are whacked... |
| 05:43.48 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.09 | Karrion | Parthenophobia: fear of virgins |
| 05:45.27 | Karrion | how do you know? |
| 05:45.48 | Thunder_Child | manual check |
| 05:48.32 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 05:48.38 | kahdgarxi | that could get you in trouble methinks |
| 05:50.59 | Nom- | That's pretty quickly solved though... |
| 05:51.26 | Nom- | Girl: "I'm a virgin", Guy: *poke* "Not any more..." |
| 05:52.01 | Thunder_Child | yea, but it's prolly one of the more fun ways to get in trouble |
| 05:52.36 | Shirik | I love google |
| 05:52.41 | Shirik | I know two words of this song |
| 05:52.47 | Shirik | and it's been stuck in my head forever |
| 05:52.55 | Shirik | type those two words into google and I got the name of the title |
| 05:53.10 | Nom- | lol shirik |
| 05:53.24 | Shirik | I just love the instrumental in it |
| 05:54.19 | Iriel | I'm imagining the two words were reasonably distinctive then, not like "I love" or "for I" ? |
| 05:54.27 | Shirik | heh, yes |
| 05:54.33 | Shirik | the two words were "cleopatra" and "aphrodite" |
| 05:56.02 | Nom- | lol i know that song |
| 05:56.42 | Nom- | Tal Backman right? |
| 05:56.47 | Shirik | sorry |
| 05:56.49 | Nom- | She's So High |
| 05:56.51 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:56.53 | Shirik | it's She's so High |
| 05:56.58 | Shirik | it says it's by Fastball though >.> |
| 05:57.07 | Nom- | Tal Backman |
| 05:57.10 | Shirik | but it would explain why I'm having difficulty finding the song |
| 05:57.10 | Nom- | Bachman even |
| 05:57.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:58.00 | Shirik | perfect Nom- thanks :) |
| 05:59.31 | Nom- | i used to have that in my collection, but i can't see it atm :( |
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| 06:12.25 | kahdgarxi | oo! |
| 06:14.04 | kahdgarxi | i think i just found a use for a pointer! |
| 06:14.04 | kahdgarxi | i'm all excited! |
| 06:24.54 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 07:05.25 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 07:05.27 | Shirik | brainstorm: |
| 07:05.35 | Shirik | What if an addon was written that detected goldspam |
| 07:05.46 | Shirik | then triggered a DDoS attack by spamming that spammer back |
| 07:05.50 | Shirik | from everyone with the addon |
| 07:06.31 | Shirik | (not that I'd ever do such a thing, I just wonder if it would work) |
| 07:21.24 | Karrion | Shirik: interesting idea |
| 07:21.40 | Shirik | but it would be prone to attacks too |
| 07:21.48 | Karrion | I can think of many colourful phrases to choose for the reply message ;-) |
| 07:24.35 | Karrion | anyway, night all |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik | night |
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| 09:41.37 | leethal | woot is the PLAYER_CAMPING event? |
| 09:41.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 09:41.55 | leethal | when is it fired? |
| 09:42.00 | Shirik | uhhh |
| 09:42.23 | Shirik | is this some kind of joke I don't get >< |
| 09:42.31 | Shirik | omfg |
| 09:42.33 | Shirik | it's a real event |
| 09:42.38 | leethal | ya |
| 09:42.51 | Shirik | uhhh |
| 09:42.55 | Vangual | when near a camping fire maybe? |
| 09:42.55 | Shirik | only thing I can guess is cozy fire? |
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| 09:43.07 | leethal | I've been standing still for 1 min now, it didn't launch =P |
| 09:43.09 | leethal | hmm, prolly |
| 09:43.28 | leethal | I was hoping it would launch as soon as one did nothing |
| 09:43.52 | leethal | that would been a whole lot better than keeping track of everything the player does to figure out when the auto-go-afk will happen |
| 09:46.42 | leethal | I'm getting spammed with whispers from the ItemDB addon =/ |
| 09:46.54 | leethal | and I don't even have it installed atm |
| 09:46.55 | Shirik | and I'm getting spammed with whispers from gold spammers :P |
| 09:46.58 | Shirik | let's trade |
| 09:47.15 | Vangual | hrm, isn't SetMacroSpell that slouken mentioned supposed to be a method of a button? |
| 09:47.18 | leethal | I'me getting this weird TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED event every once in a while too |
| 09:47.21 | batrick | i made a function that lets me spam them about a 1000 times with vulgarities |
| 09:47.30 | Shirik | batrick: rofl |
| 09:47.37 | Shirik | you don't get kicked off? |
| 09:47.42 | batrick | umm |
| 09:47.46 | batrick | about 10k does that |
| 09:47.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:47.52 | batrick | i've tested it :D |
| 09:47.58 | Shirik | nice :) |
| 09:48.18 | Shirik | Vangual: I've never heard of SetMacroSpell |
| 09:48.25 | Shirik | what do you want it do do? |
| 09:48.41 | Vangual | Shirik: me neither up until slouken mentioned it yesterday (see bluetracker) |
| 09:48.56 | Shirik | if he mentioned it yesterday, chances are that he's talking about 2.1? |
| 09:49.02 | Shirik | Still... what is it supposed to do? |
| 09:49.26 | Vangual | want to try forcing it to show a specific feedback for a secure action button. it seems to ignore the #showtooltip for its macrotext attribute |
| 09:49.33 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:49.49 | Vangual | eventho slouken also says it should honor it |
| 09:49.58 | Shirik | can't you just change the button.texture ? |
| 09:50.26 | Vangual | yea i can that's the easy part. but i can't find a non-tainting way to show a tooltip incombat |
| 09:51.03 | Shirik | are you testing this on PTR? |
| 09:52.22 | Vangual | yea but this time the taint is on live too, it's a taint that is explainable. :) i hook OnEnter and OnLeave, call my tooltip function, then RunChild the rest of the secure chain (tainted) |
| 09:52.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:53.03 | Vangual | which is ugly, but i've yet to find some way to just tell an action button (in advance) what tooltip to show |
| 09:53.04 | Shirik | what about HookScript() |
| 09:53.22 | Shirik | (2.1) |
| 09:53.50 | Vangual | haven't looked at that. would that allow to branch the call of an event into an unsafe code? |
| 09:54.48 | Shirik | it works similar to hooksecurefunc(). I'm not really sure what you're trying to do, but I know it will solve at least half of your problem by making secure scripts for OnEnter and OnLeave, at least keeping that code untainted |
| 09:55.08 | Shirik | it's 6AM, I haven't had any sleep, etc. I can't think that well :P |
| 09:55.23 | Shirik | Which is why all I'm doing right now is a million SetPoints() to build the design for this window. Nothing complicated :P |
| 09:55.29 | Vangual | basically i'm just trying to make some buttons that are assigned to certain spells and they need to hide/show in combat using secure states only |
| 09:56.40 | Vangual | i'll look into both of these hook functions |
| 09:57.27 | Shirik | ah, you didn't know about hooksecurefunc() ? |
| 09:57.47 | Shirik | yeah, you should ;) It's a pretty useful tool |
| 09:58.08 | Vangual | i've heard about it, but for some unexplainable reason i didn't think that it could be useful to hook frame events |
| 09:58.17 | Shirik | well, it can't really |
| 09:58.19 | Shirik | yet |
| 09:58.35 | Shirik | hooksecurefunc() doesn't work along with SetScript, but that's why frame:HookScript() will be available in 2.1 |
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| 10:05.53 | Vangual | hrm, is there a ptr version of that addon kit to extract ui files? |
| 10:06.08 | Vangual | or does the normal one recognize in what folder it is run? |
| 10:06.26 | Shirik | I am told by default it does extract those as well |
| 10:06.34 | Shirik | personally, I just use WinMPQ |
| 10:06.52 | Vangual | the one on wowi? |
| 10:07.05 | Shirik | mmm |
| 10:07.10 | Shirik | I got it so long ago I have no idea where I got it from |
| 10:07.43 | Vangual | i've gotten a bit careful with all the model/mpq extractors after there's been several poisoned ones on curse lately |
| 10:07.59 | Vangual | i'll just try the addonkit first |
| 10:08.01 | Shirik | everything posted on wowi |
| 10:08.07 | Shirik | has been thoroughly reviewed by admins |
| 10:08.11 | Shirik | before it is actually accessible by others |
| 10:08.17 | Shirik | You don't have to worry about the stuff there |
| 10:08.26 | Shirik | Curse et al, on the other hand, make things available in 5 seconds |
| 10:08.28 | Vangual | cool |
| 10:08.45 | Shirik | both sides have their ups and downs |
| 10:08.48 | Shirik | but it's the #1 reason I like wowi |
| 10:09.03 | leethal | only upside with curse is that most people use it |
| 10:09.09 | leethal | nice for distributing new addons |
| 10:09.22 | Shirik | unfortunately, statistics show most people are morons :P |
| 10:09.29 | leethal | mm |
| 10:09.36 | Vangual | yup, the addonkit extracted both |
| 10:10.45 | Vangual | hrm, no occurence of HookScript in FrameXML |
| 10:10.55 | Shirik | well, Blizzard doesn't have to use it |
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| 10:11.00 | Shirik | they won't use hooksecurefunc() either |
| 10:11.07 | Shirik | think about it, their code is secure, they have no purpose for it |
| 10:11.24 | Vangual | any way to find out its syntax other than try/error? |
| 10:11.37 | Shirik | it should be in the 2.1 changes thread |
| 10:12.24 | Vangual | ah yea, thank you |
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| 10:12.47 | Shirik | ack, hahahaha beautiful |
| 10:13.07 | Shirik | note to self: If you use a framepool, make sure you free the frame's children when you free the parent >.> |
| 10:13.26 | Shirik | seeing the ghost of a frame that existed minutes ago, however, is fricking awesome |
| 10:14.42 | Vangual | make a timed frame gc freeing orphaned frames? ;> |
| 10:14.52 | Shirik | nah see the frames still exist |
| 10:14.54 | Shirik | so the GC won't pick it up |
| 10:15.09 | Vangual | i meant make an own gc for your pool :) |
| 10:15.09 | Shirik | in essense, I just forgot to write the Destroy() function for the frame |
| 10:15.12 | Shirik | but it was pretty cool |
| 10:15.19 | Shirik | ah |
| 10:15.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:15.26 | Shirik | would be kinda interesting |
| 10:15.31 | Vangual | just a joke tho :) |
| 10:15.32 | Shirik | except one thing: I hate garbage collectors |
| 10:21.56 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 10:22.09 | Shirik | this is a sign I need to go to sleep: |
| 10:23.37 | Vangual | nice, still a bug i need to locate but this works much nicer |
| 10:23.41 | Shirik | dododo |
| 10:23.46 | Shirik | when imageshack stops being stupid.... |
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| 10:24.37 | Shirik | what happens when you severely screw up your framepool: http://img456.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zomgbrqq4.jpg |
| 10:26.08 | Vangual | that's a lot of sliders :) |
| 10:26.14 | Shirik | a lot :P |
| 10:26.32 | Shirik | and then the "shade of aran off to the left of the window :P |
| 10:26.36 | Shirik | just floating over there |
| 10:26.55 | Vangual | oh yea |
| 10:28.05 | Vangual | awesome, HookScript is just what's been needed. thank you :) |
| 10:28.10 | Shirik | :) |
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| 10:29.28 | Vangual | now i just need to bug slouken somehow so that secureactionbuttons register the onleave event better |
| 10:31.01 | Vangual | or actually hmm, is it possible that textures mess with the onenter or onleave triggering of a frame? |
| 10:31.23 | Shirik | I'm not really sure |
| 10:31.34 | clad|sleep | onenter and onleave work just fine with secure buttons |
| 10:31.40 | clad|sleep | from what i've seen |
| 10:34.03 | Vangual | it's a bit weird, i'm seing perfect triggering from inheriting "SecureActionButtonTemplate,SecureAnchorEnterTemplate" but not from ones with "SecureActionButtonTemplate, SecureAnchorEnterTemplate, ActionBarButtonTemplate" |
| 10:34.26 | Vangual | exact same attributes |
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| 10:36.13 | clad|sleep | well the attributes shouldn't make a difference |
| 10:36.15 | clad|sleep | the scripts should |
| 10:36.49 | clad|sleep | and keep in mind there are defaults scripts that you're overriding. |
| 10:36.52 | clad|work | brb shower |
| 10:36.57 | Shirik | morning clad|work :) |
| 10:38.15 | Vangual | hrm, not touching the scripts (SetScript) of the working one, only using HookScript on onenter and onleave on the not working ones |
| 10:40.13 | Vangual | infact i don't even care if OnLeave or so is fired for me, but i'm telling it vial attributes to do a delayed statechange onleave |
| 10:40.24 | Vangual | s/vial/via/ |
| 10:40.34 | Vangual | oh, nice bot |
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| 10:45.51 | clad|work | well here's the question |
| 10:45.57 | clad|work | do your templates have mutliple OnLeaves? |
| 10:46.04 | clad|work | like does more than one template have that script? |
| 10:46.13 | clad|work | because the resulting script only gets ONE OnLeavehandler |
| 10:46.26 | clad|work | it doesn't compose the ones from the template |
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| 10:50.04 | clad|work | oh goodie, I was wondering when another one of these theads was coming along, we were certainly due. |
| 10:50.04 | clad|work | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=98707011&sid=1 |
| 10:50.09 | Vangual | the template of the troublemaker doesn't have an onleave script, it does have a f:HookScript("OnLeave", blah) tho |
| 10:50.40 | Vangual | i could imagine that inheriting from multiple types could overwrite the secure onLeave? |
| 10:50.52 | Shirik | clad|work: What do you mean? |
| 10:50.59 | Vangual | it's only inheriting blizzard templates tho |
| 10:52.30 | clad|work | Yes, do any of the blizzard templates have an OnLeave? |
| 10:52.33 | clad|work | Shirik: hrm? |
| 10:52.39 | Shirik | "one of these threads" |
| 10:52.46 | clad|work | yes, i linked a thread |
| 10:52.49 | clad|work | not sure what more info you need.. |
| 10:53.05 | Shirik | Yeah I mean, what "type" of thread is that? Just one asking for DB API? |
| 10:53.25 | Shirik | (I personally haven't seen such a request before) |
| 10:53.36 | clad|work | this is probably the tenth i've seen |
| 10:53.40 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:53.41 | clad|work | requesting the EXACT same thing |
| 10:53.46 | Shirik | it won't happen |
| 10:53.49 | Shirik | we have what we need |
| 10:53.51 | clad|work | not just anything, but requesting lua bindings for SQLite |
| 10:53.53 | clad|work | i know this |
| 10:53.55 | clad|work | and its not necessary |
| 10:54.06 | clad|work | because it would just re-implement saved variables. |
| 10:54.10 | Shirik | yup |
| 10:55.06 | Vangual | heh, did he just use simple and bdb in the same sentence :( |
| 10:55.11 | Shirik | btw |
| 10:55.26 | Shirik | Iriel's right, WoWEcon is insane with the way they store information |
| 10:55.34 | clad|work | aye, i know |
| 10:55.36 | Shirik | though I myself am caught in a pickle right now |
| 10:55.46 | Shirik | I want to get the information as packed as possible |
| 10:55.56 | Shirik | But doing that requires a lot more work (and thus processing time) |
| 10:56.06 | clad|work | what data are you storing? |
| 10:56.06 | Shirik | So it's the time-old tradeoff of performance and memory :( |
| 10:56.11 | Shirik | combat information |
| 10:56.18 | clad|work | someone should write a SQL1999 interface to lua tables |
| 10:56.19 | Shirik | specifically, a raid encounter |
| 10:56.29 | clad|work | no one would know the damn difference because of the speed of lua |
| 10:56.54 | clad|work | Shirik: do you know what global strings you're going to be looking for? |
| 10:57.08 | clad|work | well, let me rephrase |
| 10:57.15 | clad|work | if you're storing combat log messages, the strings are already interned |
| 10:57.30 | clad|work | so the only memory hit you take is the size of the table to store the elements in array form |
| 10:57.34 | Shirik | Well I'm ripping those messages apart |
| 10:57.38 | clad|work | why/ |
| 10:57.46 | clad|work | why not store it raw and parse it afterwards? |
| 10:57.50 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:58.11 | clad|work | "You've wiped on that boss.. can I parse your combat log and send it to your raid leader so they know how much you sucked?" |
| 10:58.16 | Shirik | rofl |
| 10:58.25 | Vangual | omniscience ftw ;) |
| 10:58.32 | Shirik | that's... actually a good idea, and I would require extremely small differences |
| 10:58.43 | Shirik | Funny you should bring up Omniscience... |
| 10:58.55 | clad|work | but srsly, when you store the strings directly, you take the table hit from making the new array entry (i.e. if the table gets realloc'd) |
| 10:59.01 | clad|work | you just STOP gc on those strings |
| 10:59.07 | Vangual | it's exactly what omniscience does, isn't it? offline parsing? |
| 10:59.25 | clad|work | ok really getting in the shower now |
| 10:59.29 | Shirik | haha! |
| 10:59.33 | Shirik | Thanks for the advice though clad|work |
| 10:59.41 | clad|work | but parsing it real-time doesn't make sense, unless you need to redisplay the data immediately |
| 10:59.49 | Shirik | Which I definitely am not |
| 10:59.50 | clad|work | i.e. a combat log replacement |
| 10:59.51 | Shirik | aside from a count |
| 10:59.58 | clad|work | then store the strings imo |
| 11:00.08 | Shirik | And changing it to store only the strings is an extremely simple change |
| 11:00.11 | clad|work | use a coroutine to detect when they are no longer in combat |
| 11:00.19 | clad|work | and parse the data in the background |
| 11:00.26 | Shirik | yup |
| 11:00.35 | clad|work | and hook the logout function to ensure they dont drop in the middle |
| 11:00.40 | clad|work | *shruggles* |
| 11:00.45 | clad|work | my dog is being whiny |
| 11:00.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 11:00.54 | Shirik | go to shower :P |
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| 11:08.38 | Vangual | thanks clad, fixed the onleave prob |
| 11:09.19 | Vangual | it's overwriting the scripts in the order specified in the inheritance param. it's a bad idea having nonsecure templates last in there :) |
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| 11:13.00 | clad|work | =) |
| 11:13.10 | clad|work | that's what i suspected |
| 11:13.26 | Shirik | my last final today :( |
| 11:13.44 | Shirik | and I can't see out of one of my eyes lol |
| 11:13.44 | Shirik | this should be fun |
| 11:13.48 | JoshBorke | hey! i've got 2 finals myself today :-) |
| 11:15.01 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 11:15.09 | Shirik | and what's better about parsing post-combat... |
| 11:15.21 | Shirik | that resolves my problem with syncing all the logs too ^^ |
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| 11:19.10 | clad|work | is today a non-maintenance tuesday? |
| 11:19.20 | Shirik | uhhh I thought it was full maintenance today |
| 11:19.26 | Shirik | based on their message earlier today |
| 11:19.52 | clad|work | ah okay |
| 11:19.55 | clad|work | then i wont put auctions up :P |
| 11:20.01 | Shirik | hehe |
| 11:20.10 | Shirik | it's good cause after my final, they'll still be in maintenance |
| 11:20.12 | Shirik | then it will be sleep time |
| 11:20.15 | Shirik | until like midnight |
| 11:20.19 | Shirik | then I'll wake up |
| 11:21.55 | clad|work | heh |
| 11:24.03 | clad|work | I need someone who wants to trade 3.7k gold from alliance to horde on my server |
| 11:25.05 | [Ammo] | can't you do it yourself through the neutral AH |
| 11:25.07 | [Ammo] | and fast clicking :p |
| 11:25.12 | clad|work | and lose 15% |
| 11:25.16 | clad|work | no fast clicking required. |
| 11:25.29 | [Ammo] | ofcourse fast clicking is required |
| 11:25.30 | clad|work | wow.. i messed up pretty bad going Scryer |
| 11:25.32 | clad|work | no its not |
| 11:25.36 | clad|work | i put an item up for 3.7k gold |
| 11:25.42 | [Ammo] | true |
| 11:25.42 | clad|work | if someone buys it, then they're an idiot |
| 11:25.45 | Shirik | you don't like scryer? |
| 11:25.52 | clad|work | Shirik: I'm a tailor, who's a healer |
| 11:26.00 | clad|work | i didn't realize the scryer spellthread didn't give ANY bonus to healing |
| 11:26.03 | Shirik | ah :( |
| 11:26.13 | clad|work | unless it does and doesn't say it |
| 11:26.18 | clad|work | but either way, I gimped myself. |
| 11:26.18 | Shirik | I'm kinda reconsidering my choice of aldor personally |
| 11:26.31 | [Ammo] | my lock is scryer, pally is aldor |
| 11:26.35 | Shirik | though aldor has some nice AP enchants, I've always been fond of crit myself |
| 11:26.51 | clad|work | yeah i should have gone aldor |
| 11:27.01 | clad|work | oh well, no way in HELL i'm re-doing that grind =/ |
| 11:27.02 | Shirik | ah well |
| 11:27.07 | Shirik | it won't make that much difference |
| 11:27.14 | clad|work | its an extra 51 +healing |
| 11:27.25 | Shirik | your skill makes up for it ^^ |
| 11:27.29 | clad|work | unless mystic gives +healing/damage, which I suspect it does |
| 11:27.43 | clad|work | in which case I only lose +24 healing |
| 11:27.55 | clad|work | which is much more workable. |
| 11:28.34 | JoshBorke | clad|work: just get an aldor person to make the spellthread |
| 11:28.43 | clad|work | its BoP isn't it? |
| 11:28.50 | JoshBorke | it can be applied like an enchant |
| 11:28.56 | clad|work | oh yay |
| 11:28.58 | clad|work | fair enough =) |
| 11:29.02 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 11:29.07 | [Ammo] | someone else made my spellthread indeed |
| 11:29.09 | JoshBorke | do not despair! |
| 11:29.14 | [Ammo] | and I got it in the mail |
| 11:29.21 | [Ammo] | well the revered version not the exalted one |
| 11:30.05 | clad|work | ooh its now +66/20 |
| 11:30.09 | clad|work | instead of 51/18 |
| 11:30.16 | clad|work | i should get those on my Tier 2 leggings |
| 11:30.23 | clad|work | since i haven't found anything that beats em yet. |
| 11:31.08 | zenzelezz | interesting, I managed to hang my computer and now Firefox won't load... just gives me the quality feedback agent |
| 11:31.40 | JoshBorke | deadly borer leggings! |
| 11:31.44 | JoshBorke | oh wait, healing paints? |
| 11:32.00 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30256 are mine |
| 11:32.35 | clad|work | oh nice |
| 11:32.38 | clad|work | quest reward |
| 11:32.39 | zenzelezz | healing does not paint |
| 11:32.48 | clad|work | i still think trans are better |
| 11:32.55 | JoshBorke | it does when you stop zenzelezz ;-) |
| 11:33.09 | zenzelezz | point |
| 11:33.24 | clad|work | Josh_Borke: thanks :P |
| 11:33.34 | clad|work | i'll do the netherstorm quests tonight |
| 11:33.37 | clad|work | except.. i'm... holy. |
| 11:33.38 | clad|work | hrm |
| 11:33.41 | clad|work | that could pose a problem. |
| 11:33.47 | zenzelezz | I've been wondering, why do you keep Josh_Borke here... except to mess with everyone's tab order? |
| 11:33.49 | JoshBorke | clad|work: youl ose resistence and mana/5, but you gain sta, int, spr, healing |
| 11:34.01 | clad|work | aye |
| 11:34.02 | clad|work | ijat |
| 11:34.03 | clad|work | okay |
| 11:34.07 | clad|work | worktime |
| 11:34.13 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: because it's a different computer and i want to screw with everyone's tab order |
| 11:34.17 | clad|work | JoshBorke: make me a spec please, and email it to me :P |
| 11:34.26 | JoshBorke | clad|work: for healing? psh, shadow all the way baby |
| 11:34.30 | JoshBorke | i unlearned my healing spells |
| 11:34.34 | clad|work | i need something that decent for PVE, but gives me a chance to solo |
| 11:34.37 | clad|work | lolsmite i guess |
| 11:34.38 | clad|work | le sigh |
| 11:34.40 | clad|work | bbl |
| 11:35.29 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: seriously though, he's to log messages for me |
| 11:35.36 | JoshBorke | i'll be on him more in a few weeks |
| 11:36.04 | zenzelezz | sounds fair; just didn't recall "him" talking =) |
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| 11:58.42 | Wobin | lolsmite is amusing |
| 11:58.46 | Wobin | I quite enjoy it |
| 11:59.32 | Wobin | it gives me more buttons to press |
| 12:01.20 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:01.40 | Wobin | the icon for the pants of the naruu have more leather in the side pocket than the whole pair on the model does |
| 12:02.01 | Wobin | Suspenders of the Naruu perhaps |
| 12:02.19 | Wobin | Or maybe ThighSocks of the Naaru |
| 12:03.10 | Shirik | whooo! |
| 12:03.17 | Shirik | Got this stupid bug fixed before server goes down |
| 12:03.19 | Shirik | happy now |
| 12:03.33 | Wobin | grats =) |
| 12:05.57 | Wobin | =( Batroc |
| 12:06.08 | Shirik | and I shall shower now |
| 12:12.28 | JoshBorke | Wobin: they are thigh socks |
| 12:12.30 | Wobin | known to help with healing |
| 12:12.42 | Wobin | "Hellloooo NURSE!" |
| 12:17.56 | zenzelezz | one of these days I'm going to remember which file I put "xset s off" in so I didn't have to type it every time I restart X |
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| 12:33.01 | EArmbrust | zenzelezz: ~/.xinitrc usually |
| 12:34.08 | zenzelezz | hm, thought I'd tried that... will have to look, thanks |
| 12:34.15 | EArmbrust | np |
| 12:34.57 | EArmbrust | besure to do chmod 700 .xsession |
| 12:35.06 | EArmbrust | otherwise it won't execute hehe |
| 12:40.29 | EArmbrust | i really wish blizzard would make a UI test environment so we didn't have to load the full wow client or be online to test. i could be doing something entertaining right now :( |
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| 14:06.15 | Kaso | So bored i wrote a random addon for some guy on the forums |
| 14:06.16 | Kaso | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=285170415 |
| 14:06.18 | Kaso | >.< |
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| 14:17.08 | Kaydeethree | what idiocy's getting posted today? |
| 14:17.31 | Kaydeethree | they're down again. sigh |
| 14:18.37 | EArmbrust | the servers are down, so there must be useless posts...then again...it's the official forums, there's always useless posts :) |
| 14:18.38 | MentalPower|Work | g'morn |
| 14:18.53 | Kaydeethree | ohyao |
| 14:19.05 | Kaydeethree | yah, but the tuesday morning idiocy is usally fun to watch in general |
| 14:19.41 | EArmbrust | sometimes...sometimes it's like a train wreck. you don't want to watch but you just can't look away. |
| 14:30.47 | Kaydeethree | heh. new okgame keylogger post today. don't think I've ever seen the screencap one before |
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| 15:00.18 | cogwheel|work | ~lart the forums |
| 15:00.18 | purl | runs at the forums with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 15:01.02 | Kaydeethree | oh, where's the clue-by-four? |
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| 15:10.05 | zenzelezz | http://bash.org/?754254 |
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| 15:44.10 | Shirik|AFK | zenzelezz: that's awesome |
| 15:50.03 | Shirik | whooo server is busy please try again |
| 15:50.13 | Shirik | means "please gtfo of the forums and go to sleep" |
| 15:51.07 | zenzelezz | those messages are missing a word |
| 15:51.14 | zenzelezz | should say "Server is busy, please don't try again" |
| 15:51.25 | Shirik | ffs |
| 15:51.31 | Shirik | When I finally DO get logged in |
| 15:51.34 | Shirik | I click on a topic |
| 15:51.42 | Shirik | get "Server is busy, please try again," refresh, and I'm logged out |
| 15:52.03 | Shirik | I can understand the "server is busy" stuff but there's no excuse for that.... |
| 15:52.17 | Shirik | cookies don't just "disappear" |
| 15:52.32 | Kaydeethree | they're magic blizzard cookies |
| 15:52.52 | Shirik | I want a magic cookie :( |
| 15:52.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | forums are down until realms are up i'd imagine |
| 15:53.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | because what do 7 million people do when they can't farm for motes |
| 15:53.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | they go whine on the forums |
| 15:53.41 | Shirik | yup |
| 15:53.47 | Shirik | about how X class is overpowered |
| 15:53.50 | leethal | euro is up though |
| 15:53.52 | Shirik | where X != current_class |
| 15:55.01 | cogwheel|work | zenzelezz: rofl @ linky |
| 15:57.29 | leethal | oh, maintenance |
| 15:58.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptrs are up |
| 15:59.15 | Shirik | :( ptr hates me |
| 15:59.25 | Shirik | I keep getting stuck at "validating version" |
| 15:59.35 | Kaydeethree | which build do you have? |
| 15:59.38 | EArmbrust | the forums work fine for me |
| 15:59.48 | Shirik | 6592 |
| 15:59.57 | Kaydeethree | the forums are up, kinda. you're going to get "server is busy" a lot |
| 16:00.00 | Kaydeethree | you're two builds out of date |
| 16:00.04 | Kaydeethree | we're up to 6624 |
| 16:00.10 | EArmbrust | *shrug* i barely get it |
| 16:00.19 | EArmbrust | maybe i'm the one causing you guys to get it :P |
| 16:00.27 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:00.29 | Shirik | it's all your fault |
| 16:00.37 | Shirik | ~whaleslap EArmbrust |
| 16:00.39 | purl | ACTION beats EArmbrust upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:00.39 | EArmbrust | i am a rogue... |
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| 16:00.52 | EArmbrust | I get blamed for everything anyways :P |
| 16:01.00 | Shirik | ~blame EArmbrust |
| 16:01.01 | purl | ACTION blames EArmbrust (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:01.28 | Shirik | right... |
| 16:01.32 | Shirik | I REALLY need to go to sleep now |
| 16:01.35 | Shirik | been up way too long |
| 16:01.39 | Shirik | see you all later |
| 16:01.50 | EArmbrust | haha later |
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| 16:23.51 | cogwheel|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.32 | Zicon | That joke is usually about laziness, not bravery. |
| 16:24.49 | Shadowed | or ethics http://bash.org/?463304 |
| 16:24.56 | Thrae | "What is procrastination?" "I'll tell you tommorrow." |
| 16:26.11 | leethal | Shirik|zZz: the PLAYER_CAMPING event doesn't launch when you get the cozy fire buff =P |
| 16:26.20 | Thrae | "How does a congressial hearing on a misuse of power work?" "I don't recall." |
| 16:26.23 | Shadowed | Because camping is logging out :p |
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| 16:26.51 | leethal | wtf is that event? |
| 16:26.54 | Thrae | PLAYER_CAMPING came from EQ, where you typed /camp to logout properly. |
| 16:26.57 | leethal | it's in the list at wowwiki, with no description |
| 16:27.07 | leethal | :O |
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| 16:27.24 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure /camp logs you out too |
| 16:27.29 | Cide | it does |
| 16:27.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 16:27.34 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.46 | Thrae | Yep, seems everyone pays homage to EQ ;) |
| 16:28.07 | leethal | yep, that's right |
| 16:28.17 | leethal | pressing "logout" or /camping starts PLAYER_CAMPING |
| 16:28.48 | Thrae | leethal: /quit is equivilent to /camp too I recall |
| 16:29.05 | Thrae | Well not in EQ |
| 16:29.09 | Thrae | But in WoW it is ;) |
| 16:30.04 | Shadowed | What was the difference between /quit and /camp in EQ? |
| 16:30.30 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.21 | zenzelezz | wasn't there a safe and an unsafe logout? One was immediate, but left you "ingame" for 30 seconds or something where you could still be attacked, the other was timed but left you safe? |
| 16:35.08 | Maldivia | the unsafe way: alt-f4 (on Windows) |
| 16:35.13 | leethal | or "exit now" |
| 16:38.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 16:38.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 20 seconds is generally safe enough |
| 16:38.45 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.16 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.44 | Tem | once upon a time, I put a present into my 'favorite' guild mate's addons that let me trigger that |
| 16:42.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:42.08 | JoshBorke | ~lart Tem |
| 16:42.08 | purl | stuffs Tem into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 16:43.33 | EArmbrust | hmm, no patch |
| 16:44.48 | Kaso | Our guild/dkp addon had an exploit that allowed you to execute remote code by sending mal-formed packets down the guild addon channel |
| 16:44.51 | Kaso | that was fun |
| 16:47.34 | Arrowmaster | kaso, some form of evaluation bug? |
| 16:48.20 | zenzelezz | maybe it was the author's way of making sure he was top of the DKP |
| 16:49.34 | Maldivia | anyone seen/read the "merlocs DEMAND explination" thread on general ? |
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| 16:50.11 | Tem|Food | Kaso, I had considered that, but I decided it would be too much temptation |
| 16:50.14 | Kaso | the author had written Serialize/Unserialize function so he could send tables around the channel, (for the tradeskill bit which sent tables of skills you could make) that ofc used RunScript, which meant you could create a table which was close enough to the speicification to make it though his validation, but still having a packet of data you could run |
| 16:50.36 | Tem|Food | things like UIParent:Hide() just to screw with people |
| 16:51.29 | JoshBorke | too bad we don't have RegisterForSave anymore ;-) |
| 16:51.39 | Tem|Food | hahaha |
| 16:51.46 | Tem|Food | you're even more evil than me |
| 16:51.54 | Kaso | My favouret was to "send" whispers though calling ChatFrame_OnEvent on his end, having arg6 as "GM" making it look like you were wisphering as a GM |
| 16:51.56 | JoshBorke | WHAAAT? i'm innocent |
| 16:52.26 | Tem|Food | dirty, dirty |
| 16:53.03 | nymbia | JoshBorke's cooking up a taget health bar randomizer as we speak ;) |
| 16:53.12 | Shadowed | why randomise it? |
| 16:53.23 | Shadowed | Make it stay at 100% and they'll be wondering what happened |
| 16:53.29 | nymbia | heh |
| 16:53.48 | JoshBorke | no |
| 16:53.54 | JoshBorke | make the tanks stay at 5% |
| 16:54.19 | JoshBorke | or you could make the mana bars stay at 100% |
| 16:54.28 | zenzelezz | Your Flash of Light was resisted by Maintank. |
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| 16:55.15 | JoshBorke | lots of fun times |
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| 17:16.22 | JoshBorke | ~seen beladona |
| 17:16.52 | purl | beladona <n=Beladona@josephpartners.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 20h 8m 50s ago, saying: 'bbs, heading home'. |
| 17:16.52 | JoshBorke | hola Cairenn |
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| 17:17.43 | pastamancer | must be a hell of a commute |
| 17:22.47 | Cide | haha, indeed |
| 17:23.31 | zenzelezz | maybe he took the scenic route |
| 17:24.45 | Industrial | Need a little help with this: code + error: http://pastey.net/20401 |
| 17:26.08 | Industrial | nm |
| 17:29.10 | batrick | is there a way to delete a frame? |
| 17:29.16 | batrick | O.o |
| 17:29.18 | JoshBorke | batrick: no |
| 17:29.36 | batrick | damn, thought so : / |
| 17:29.43 | batrick | but didn't hope so |
| 17:30.40 | Maldivia | why do you need to delete a frame ? |
| 17:30.49 | batrick | umm |
| 17:30.57 | batrick | save memory >.> |
| 17:31.10 | Gnarfoz | you can't anyway |
| 17:31.10 | batrick | not very necessary, was just curious |
| 17:31.13 | JoshBorke | do you know how big they are? |
| 17:31.30 | batrick | Josh, i'm betting they're small |
| 17:31.45 | JoshBorke | 72 bytes for a frame with nothing special |
| 17:31.49 | Industrial | got it working: http://pastey.net/20407 |
| 17:32.00 | Industrial | ~lart the metatables |
| 17:32.00 | purl | whacks the metatables with the cluebat |
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| 17:52.05 | zenzelezz | heh, didn't think I'd be able to sheep a 70 on the first try (at level 14) |
| 17:52.15 | zenzelezz | sure enough he pwned me after 8 seconds, but was fun |
| 17:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, it's doable. I remember being ~40 and chain sheeping 70s |
| 17:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Longest I drew out a duel was something like 3m doing that |
| 17:52.55 | zenzelezz | I just had to try =) |
| 17:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe |
| 17:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 17:55.04 | JoshBorke | is it possible to have a lua pattern with an optional capture? |
| 17:56.47 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: tell me more |
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| 17:57.38 | JoshBorke | pastamancer: i'm using dongle to handle my slash commands, guidelines for dongle here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Slash_API |
| 17:57.55 | JoshBorke | specifically i have this line: cmd:RegisterSlashHandler("alpha <0-100> - Set the tracker background alpha", "^alpha (%d+)?$", UpdateAlpha) |
| 17:58.42 | JoshBorke | obviously that trailing ? is a bad attempt at solving my problem |
| 17:58.49 | nymbia | - |
| 17:58.53 | JoshBorke | i want the user to be able to do /lt alpha and get the current alpha |
| 17:59.06 | JoshBorke | though, i guess i can just make that a different command |
| 17:59.08 | nymbia | or * |
| 17:59.40 | JoshBorke | what about the space? |
| 17:59.56 | nymbia | include it in the capture? |
| 18:00.09 | pastamancer | >>> string.match("alpha", "^alpha( %d+)?") |
| 18:00.09 | Cide | pastamancer: nil |
| 18:00.27 | pastamancer | does that answer your question? |
| 18:00.33 | JoshBorke | >>> "alpha":match("^alpha( %d-)") |
| 18:00.34 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string ""alpha":match("^alpha( %d-)")"]:1: unexpected symbol near '"alpha"' |
| 18:00.34 | nymbia | "^alpha([ ]?%d*)$" |
| 18:01.21 | nymbia | >>> ("alpha"):match("^alpha([ ]?%d*)$") |
| 18:01.22 | Cide | nymbia: "" |
| 18:01.34 | nymbia | >>> ("alpha 970"):match("^alpha([ ]?%d*)$") |
| 18:01.34 | Cide | nymbia: " 970" |
| 18:01.52 | nymbia | i guess dont capture the space |
| 18:01.55 | Fin | make that /me suggests "^alpha(%s* (%d*))%s*" |
| 18:01.55 | nymbia | but you get the idea ;) |
| 18:02.01 | JoshBorke | thanks nymba |
| 18:02.21 | pastamancer | I dont know if this would be a problem: |
| 18:02.45 | pastamancer | >>> ("alpha100"):match("^alpha([ ]?%d*)$") |
| 18:02.45 | Cide | pastamancer: "100" |
| 18:02.58 | Cide | >>> ("alpha 85"):match("^alpha ?(%d*)") |
| 18:02.58 | Cide | Cide: "85" |
| 18:03.02 | Cide | >>> ("alpha"):match("^alpha ?(%d*)") |
| 18:03.02 | Cide | Cide: "" |
| 18:03.29 | Cide | or "^alpha ?(%d*)$" if you want that |
| 18:05.58 | JoshBorke | thanks guys :-) |
| 18:06.09 | Mikma | ~tryme |
| 18:06.11 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at mikma and fires. Click. |
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| 18:18.21 | pastamancer | I need to borrow a German with an ip address that starts with 77.x.x.x |
| 18:18.34 | Fin | why? |
| 18:18.53 | pastamancer | to test some issues the wowace site is having |
| 18:19.03 | Fin | those must be weird issues |
| 18:19.08 | pastamancer | yes |
| 18:21.15 | Cide | is it software or hardware side? |
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| 18:21.41 | kahdgarxi|afk | if it concerns only german ips that start in 77, i would hope it's software |
| 18:21.59 | Cide | are you doing lots of stuff with the ip addr on the site? |
| 18:22.39 | Cide | you could probably spoof the REMOTE_ADDR value in an include or something (name may vary depending on backend!( |
| 18:22.47 | Cide | s/!(/!)/ |
| 18:24.22 | Fin | REMOTE_ADDR is required by the CGI 1.0 spec |
| 18:24.43 | pastamancer | Cide: if anything it's an upstream router |
| 18:24.44 | Fin | I'd change backends if it wasn't available! |
| 18:25.01 | Cide | pastamancer: that sucks |
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| 18:25.40 | pastamancer | 77.0.0.0/8 is allocated for European registrars but has only been used recently |
| 18:25.59 | JoshBorke | why do tooltips go weird on me? |
| 18:27.02 | nevcairiel | I need a really simple combatlog filter, which allows me to specify stuff like "All Dmg Taken by Tank1 and Tank2". Any suggestions? |
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| 18:27.18 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: i like simple combat log, pretty sure it lets you filter based on unit |
| 18:27.51 | nevcairiel | i used that before, and i somehow didnt like it :) |
| 18:29.43 | JoshBorke | http://joshborke.is-a-geek.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Uploads&id=weirdTip <-- why isn't the tooltip big enough? |
| 18:31.07 | TC-Working | because of murphy |
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| 18:32.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha these p4h guys are getting banned in <5 mins |
| 18:33.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love it |
| 18:33.01 | Shadowed | Are you adding something new to the tooltip after you call Show()? |
| 18:33.19 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: no |
| 18:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i add them to friends then all of a sudden their name disappears' |
| 18:33.45 | Shadowed | obviously |
| 18:33.54 | Shadowed | the tooltip is the devil then |
| 18:34.28 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: well, putting my positioning code before the show fixed it |
| 18:34.42 | JoshBorke | even though all my positioning code does SetPoint the frame |
| 18:34.56 | Fin | JoshBorke: it's because your positioning code was after the show |
| 18:35.19 | JoshBorke | why should SetPoint affect the contents/size of the tooltip? |
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| 18:40.53 | JoshBorke | UI coordinates are from the bottom left corner? |
| 18:41.22 | Cide | yes |
| 18:47.55 | TC-Working | uhh...well you can try and see what happens |
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| 19:07.48 | Shadowed | Anyone know what file InputBoxTemplate is defined in |
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| 19:21.45 | weazer | That are those Ace2 frames like CT_viewport called? |
| 19:22.17 | cogwheel|work | All CT_Viewport does is shrink the size of the game world |
| 19:22.31 | cogwheel|work | it's merely a side-effect that the stuff outside it is black |
| 19:22.56 | cogwheel|work | That being said, you're looking for something like eepanels or skinner (if my memory serves) |
| 19:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can drag UI stuff outside of the game world, correct? |
| 19:23.15 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 19:23.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise i wouldn't see much use in it |
| 19:23.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah okay |
| 19:26.14 | Cide | weazer: would you like an Ace2 version of what CT_Viewport does? |
| 19:28.01 | weazer | I found out now, skinner could do it. |
| 19:28.15 | Cide | is that what you want? |
| 19:28.20 | Cide | an Ace2 version of what CT_Viewport does? |
| 19:28.30 | Cide | a yes or no will do! |
| 19:28.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno why you wouldn't want to just use ct_viewport if that was what you were looking for, but i digress |
| 19:29.04 | Cide | schh people |
| 19:29.15 | Cide | you don't know how the rules of the game |
| 19:29.39 | Cide | weazer: do you want an Ace2 version that does what CT_Viewport does? |
| 19:30.04 | weazer | Well, i want to change the color of these frames and i guess Skinner can do that. |
| 19:30.35 | Cide | may I ask, why do you want an Ace2 addon specifically? |
| 19:30.53 | weazer | I dont want a ace2 addon, i know its a ace2 addon |
| 19:31.17 | Cide | ok, good! |
| 19:32.05 | weazer | ) |
| 19:32.06 | weazer | :) |
| 19:32.17 | Cide | next time, however |
| 19:32.24 | Cide | rephrase that question or I'll shoot you, not gonna lie |
| 19:32.49 | TC-Working | ~shoot Cide |
| 19:33.05 | purl | ACTION shoots Cide in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 19:33.08 | weazer | Well that was comfordable to know, how come? |
| 19:34.07 | Shadowed | People like to ask for Ace2 versions of non-Ace mods just because they think Ace makes it better |
| 19:34.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | cide's a cop on the edge with a hair trigger |
| 19:34.17 | Cide | because ace2 is a framework and nothing more |
| 19:34.36 | cogwheel|work | Hey... Anyone have an MFC version of WoW? |
| 19:34.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | DAMMIT CIDE THATS THE 4TH TIME THIS WEEK...HAND IN YOUR BADGE...YOU'RE OFF THE FORCE! |
| 19:35.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 19:35.06 | Cide | it's like looking for houses but only accepting those with concrete ceilings |
| 19:35.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | too many cop dramas |
| 19:35.16 | weazer | Oh well, shoot yourself if i state a question like that again. |
| 19:35.30 | TC-Working | heh, should have asked for an ace2 version of WoW...then see what Cide did |
| 19:35.43 | Cide | I hear the default UI is aced next patch |
| 19:36.27 | pastamancer | haha |
| 19:36.27 | cogwheel|work | ~slap slouken |
| 19:36.41 | purl | ACTION slaps slouken, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:36.50 | Gnarfoz | I want a Glide version of wow :< |
| 19:36.51 | Cide | reported memory usage drops of up to 50% |
| 19:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the only explanation the sudden decrease in memory usage |
| 19:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | of the sudden...* |
| 19:36.51 | gnorlish | ace2 is being aced as well |
| 19:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god infinite recursion |
| 19:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | brain melting |
| 19:37.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man slouken is in here :O |
| 19:37.09 | Cide | weazer: actually, I'll shoot you. then I'll shoot Rowne. then I'll shoot everyone in this room. then I'll go on a rampage here in sweden. and then I'll shoot myself. |
| 19:37.11 | Gnarfoz | hmmm no? :P |
| 19:37.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | cheese it, it's the fuzz |
| 19:37.24 | Gnarfoz | Cide: start with the last step, please? :p |
| 19:37.31 | Gnarfoz | more efficient |
| 19:37.38 | Cide | I could, since I'm invincible |
| 19:37.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but not as fun |
| 19:37.54 | Cide | I only shoot myself in the end to satisfy weazer |
| 19:37.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're gonna off yourself at least go on a crazy rampage first |
| 19:38.16 | JoshBorke | cide: not #wowace? |
| 19:38.36 | Cide | nah, I expect most people in there know the deal |
| 19:38.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, i like ace addons, but at the end of the day, i just care if it works or not |
| 19:38.59 | Cide | and in here too, but clueless idiots (if you excuse me) come in here more often |
| 19:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i may try alternatives that use different frameworks, or i may not, depending on how much i like the original |
| 19:39.28 | Cide | frameworks are irrelevant |
| 19:39.36 | cogwheel|work | Cide: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=100580517&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 19:39.40 | cogwheel|work | have at'em |
| 19:39.45 | Cide | the standard of putting -Ace2- in the addon name is ridiculous and makes me want to kill a kitten |
| 19:39.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so far i've had no reason to search for alternatives for CT_Mailmod because it's delicious |
| 19:40.00 | weazer | Al Queda! |
| 19:40.13 | Cide | cogwheel|work: Server is busy, please try again |
| 19:40.37 | cogwheel|work | gah... it would happen right when I link soemthing... |
| 19:40.44 | cogwheel|work | s/oem/ome/ |
| 19:40.48 | JoshBorke | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 19:40.59 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 19:40.59 | Cide | ok |
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| 19:40.59 | Cide | it's loading |
| 19:41.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's whining about having to have CT_Core, yet, i don't think i use it |
| 19:41.08 | batrick | cogwheel |
| 19:41.14 | batrick | i think u just like ur blue tag :D |
| 19:41.17 | batrick | <- myrafae |
| 19:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so tempted to post "hey guys can i get an ace version of cosmos" |
| 19:43.03 | Cide | all CTMods are standalone |
| 19:43.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | just to break some brains |
| 19:43.12 | Cide | except for CT_RABossMods but I don't think anyone uses that |
| 19:43.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | boss mods was my favorite part of CT_Raid, but I don't raid anymore :x |
| 19:43.55 | Cide | the new boss mods will be pretty awesome |
| 19:44.01 | Cide | but I still need to hire a developer |
| 19:44.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even know if oRA has one or not |
| 19:44.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have oRA installed but i haven't used it since bc hit |
| 19:44.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was having some unexplainable issues with CTRA, probably something related to its chat stuff before the addon channel was implemented, or something, i dunno |
| 19:45.11 | Cide | ctra works fine right now as far as I know |
| 19:45.20 | Shadowed | Cide: get the post loaded? |
| 19:45.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar, this was a while ago |
| 19:45.28 | Cide | Shadowed: yep |
| 19:45.43 | Cide | I cried, cut myself and cried some more |
| 19:46.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was getting pissed, between the ATI crash in bwl and having to disable CTRA to raid (which my guild leader wouldn't allow) i decided to swap over to oRA so when he did version checks it'd respond :p |
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| 19:46.35 | Shadowed | Should have just made it respond with "HAI2U" as version |
| 19:46.48 | Cide | ^V ([%d.]+)$ |
| 19:46.50 | Cide | try again :) |
| 19:47.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, if i wasn't useless in coding |
| 19:47.10 | Shadowed | You ruin all the fun |
| 19:47.16 | Cide | Shadowed: I try :) |
| 19:47.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd just write a little addon that responded to the version checks with one version higher than his or something |
| 19:47.53 | Shadowed | What about responding with 66 as version of 13.37? |
| 19:47.59 | Shadowed | s/66/66.66/ |
| 19:51.04 | TC-Working | mmmm....666 |
| 19:51.28 | Shadowed | couldn't do 666 if he's matching for a period |
| 19:51.44 | Cide | period is optional |
| 19:52.53 | Shadowed | regex is annoying |
| 19:53.40 | weazer | care |
| 19:54.13 | Cide | regexes are fun |
| 19:54.40 | pastamancer | amen |
| 19:54.53 | Teomyr | qft |
| 19:55.45 | pastamancer | http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 19:56.12 | pastamancer | such is the power of regex |
| 19:56.28 | Cide | yep! |
| 19:57.50 | Fin | the regex at the end of MRE owns that beginner's sample |
| 19:58.10 | Shadowed | As I said |
| 19:58.10 | Shadowed | Regex is evil :p |
| 19:59.03 | Zicon | You're approaching it all wrong, then. Love regex, and it will love you back. |
| 19:59.51 | pastamancer | I can't imagine SpamAssassin without pcre |
| 20:00.09 | pastamancer | no way in hell would I write a parser for each SA rule |
| 20:07.29 | JoshBorke | Cide: oh yea, what's up with not updating wowi? :-( |
| 20:11.35 | Cide | JoshBorke: I only ever update the major ui sites when we put out a big release |
| 20:11.45 | Cide | because honestly |
| 20:11.52 | Cide | we have our own site, and there are way too many ui sites |
| 20:12.46 | JoshBorke | Cide: i understand :-) |
| 20:12.46 | Cide | and we make way too many updates (not right now, but that's because of CTProfiles being a mess) |
| 20:12.47 | JoshBorke | Cide: i just noticed because mailmod hasn't been updated since august of last year |
| 20:13.14 | Cide | I guess we only updated the main ctmod download |
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| 20:13.18 | Cide | I can't remember to be honest |
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| 20:13.35 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what it looks like. which is fine. i just went to your site and downloaded it :-D |
| 20:13.42 | Cide | good :) |
| 20:13.54 | JoshBorke | dropped postal for ct mail mod :-D |
| 20:14.17 | JoshBorke | then i got frustrated at ct mailmod because it wouldn't attach something. |
| 20:14.24 | JoshBorke | turned out i was trying to mail a soulbound item and just can't read |
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| 20:15.32 | Cide | nice job :P |
| 20:16.18 | Cide | wtb a good way to detect conjured items |
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| 20:26.19 | Elkano | Cide, check if they still exist 20min after logout ;) |
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| 20:28.02 | Cide | yeah... |
| 20:28.05 | cogwheel|work | my head hurts now |
| 20:28.34 | JoshBorke | cogwheel|work: well quit hitting it against the wall |
| 20:29.46 | cogwheel|work | I would, but that's the only way I can get through the tedium here at work... |
| 20:44.16 | sysrage | i know that feeling all too well |
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| 20:57.36 | cogwheel|work | "Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand" |
| 20:57.41 | cogwheel|work | s/God/Ace/ |
| 20:58.20 | Kaso | http://j4cbo.com/imgslave/files/72/7294ea7d667f664977046aaf4369fefcd09f552c.jpg |
| 20:58.32 | cogwheel|work | Service unavailable... |
| 20:58.42 | Kaso | grr |
| 20:58.42 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/7294ea7d667f664977046aaf4369fefcd09f552c/where_is_your_god_nowe78.jpg |
| 20:58.44 | Kaso | try that |
| 20:58.57 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 20:59.34 | pastamancer | isn't waffleimages SA only? |
| 20:59.55 | Kaso | im sure works as long as it isnt hot-linked from other sites |
| 21:00.25 | Kaso | maybe im worng |
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| 21:00.57 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/godnow.jpg |
| 21:01.00 | Kaso | there you go |
| 21:01.21 | Kaso | it was mildy releated to what you were talking about |
| 21:01.27 | Kaso | i just thought it was humorous |
| 21:02.02 | cogwheel|work | the 2nd one worked for me, hence the >< |
| 21:02.08 | Kaso | ah |
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| 21:17.18 | zenzelezz | was today's US maintenance "extended" or normal? |
| 21:18.12 | Cairenn | extended for some servers |
| 21:18.59 | Mikma | can anyone tell me where can i find good tactics for second boss in Botanica? |
| 21:19.00 | zenzelezz | seems all Euro realms get extended maintenance today :-| |
| 21:19.15 | Mikma | the damn 'druid' transforms into a tree and AoE heals people |
| 21:19.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | tank him between the spires |
| 21:19.36 | zenzelezz | when he goes tree, run out of his LoS so the small flowers follow |
| 21:19.43 | zenzelezz | semi-small ones |
| 21:19.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | then as soon as he summons the adds drag the plants out of LoS |
| 21:19.57 | EArmbrust | go behind the glass at the end of his bridge |
| 21:19.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | kill them, then return to tanking him between the spires on the bridge |
| 21:20.15 | EArmbrust | iirc, this is all on wowhead/thottbot |
| 21:20.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | wowwiki is my sole strategy site |
| 21:20.33 | Kaso | haha |
| 21:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | before every boss "oh lemme go check out this guy" |
| 21:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | then we wreck him |
| 21:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i did the showdown quest in blades edge |
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| 21:21.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | freaking EPIC. |
| 21:21.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno about for horde, apparently rexxar is involved |
| 21:21.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for alliance, there's dragons and stuff and it' |
| 21:21.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | s just awesome in every way |
| 21:21.56 | zenzelezz | I know I saw Misha (whatever the name is) in the zone |
| 21:22.10 | Eternally777 | It's sad when I get TV channels on my cell phone that I don't get with my home cable package... |
| 21:22.20 | EArmbrust | if i could get my guild to stop wanting to run strat, ubrs and brd i'd be happy. 2 manning strat is boring :( |
| 21:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | why would they? shards? |
| 21:23.08 | EArmbrust | attunements |
| 21:23.13 | EArmbrust | and strat for the reigns |
| 21:23.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | huhwha |
| 21:23.28 | EArmbrust | brd/ubrs for ony and whatnot |
| 21:23.37 | EArmbrust | it went from "let's run ony for fun" |
| 21:23.39 | zenzelezz | people still do the 40-mans? |
| 21:23.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever floats your boat :O |
| 21:23.42 | EArmbrust | to "we must run ony" |
| 21:23.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet you could 5 man ony but have fun with deep breaths with more than 10 or so |
| 21:24.06 | EArmbrust | we do 5 man ony |
| 21:24.10 | Kaso | with 5man you get decent gold |
| 21:24.15 | EArmbrust | but even that it's boring :( |
| 21:24.16 | zenzelezz | she was 5-manned before BC, wonder how low you can go now |
| 21:24.17 | Gnarfoz | ony was 3manned before BC so what :\ |
| 21:24.30 | Gnarfoz | less people makes her easier :D |
| 21:24.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought the gold was based on the amount of party members alive at time of right clicking the corpse |
| 21:24.38 | zenzelezz | I never managed to convince half my guild that Onyxia isn't a "he" |
| 21:24.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | or raid |
| 21:24.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | she's the damn "broodmother" |
| 21:25.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | she has a giant pack of eggs |
| 21:25.06 | nymbia | Mr_Rabies2: nope, its static |
| 21:25.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | she's named LADY KATRANA PRESTOR in STORMWIND |
| 21:25.29 | nymbia | zenzelezz: the freaking stormwind/orgrimmar yell says she's female |
| 21:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | CAPITALIZING random WORDS is FUN |
| 21:25.44 | EArmbrust | yes IT is, DEFINITELY |
| 21:25.57 | zenzelezz | don't ask me why they don't understand it, they just insist on calling her "him" |
| 21:26.07 | EArmbrust | you know, we'd sound like we had tourettes if we said this shit out loud |
| 21:26.21 | zenzelezz | not quite |
| 21:26.24 | Kaso | So why do you do onyixa? |
| 21:26.30 | Kaso | do you also do mc and bwl? or naxx? |
| 21:26.43 | EArmbrust | like i said...it was originally for fun, but now it's gotten to be a "must" |
| 21:26.54 | EArmbrust | mc yes, bwl not yet...though i'm sure they'd like to |
| 21:26.57 | cogwheel|work | Just the word Onyxia sounds feminine... (at least in western languages...) |
| 21:27.06 | zenzelezz | generally I like BC's new instances and raids, but I dislike how tied together the attunements are |
| 21:27.09 | Kaso | why though? what benifits do you get from it? money? nexuses? |
| 21:27.25 | zenzelezz | nexuses? They're what, 5g on AH o_O |
| 21:27.27 | EArmbrust | read above...originally for fun |
| 21:27.35 | nymbia | 18 slotters, yo |
| 21:27.47 | Kaso | surely someone must have asked your raid leader "why do we have to do this?" |
| 21:27.49 | nymbia | not that i didnt have full 18 slotters before BC... /shrug |
| 21:28.01 | zenzelezz | getting 18-slotters is easy as sin now |
| 21:28.04 | EArmbrust | it's not a requirement |
| 21:28.08 | nymbia | saves netherweave |
| 21:28.08 | zenzelezz | Netherweave Cloth drops everywhere |
| 21:28.10 | nymbia | ... lol |
| 21:28.22 | nymbia | yeah it's a stretch |
| 21:28.25 | zenzelezz | I made 15 bags just to get rid of it |
| 21:28.29 | clad|work | okay |
| 21:28.32 | Kaso | "but now it's gotten to be a "must"" - sounds like a requiremet? |
| 21:28.33 | clad|work | i need priest build help, again |
| 21:28.38 | zenzelezz | and still had 240 heavy bandages |
| 21:28.45 | Kaso | for what clad? |
| 21:28.55 | EArmbrust | kaso: as in general concensus of quite a few people |
| 21:29.01 | cladhaire | trying to put together a PVE healing/lolsmite build. |
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| 21:29.18 | Kaso | what level of healing? heroics kara? |
| 21:29.25 | cladhaire | gruul |
| 21:29.34 | cladhaire | ++ |
| 21:30.06 | Kaso | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=dVghzhotbtZfxt0bbVb |
| 21:30.16 | zenzelezz | I thought you just stood beside people and Vampiric Embraced |
| 21:30.21 | cladhaire | why imp pws? |
| 21:30.40 | Kaso | cos i needed to spend points somewhere |
| 21:30.40 | cladhaire | ah spend em in holy |
| 21:30.42 | Kaso | needed to get to PI though |
| 21:30.47 | Kaso | or at least force of will |
| 21:30.48 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 21:30.49 | cladhaire | i know |
| 21:30.55 | cladhaire | why imp wand over silent resolve |
| 21:31.02 | cladhaire | seems the jury is still out on that one |
| 21:31.12 | cladhaire | i mean unbreakable will |
| 21:32.11 | Kaso | theyre both pretty mehish imo either is as bad as the other :> |
| 21:32.11 | Kaso | i guess if you wanted more heal power, loose PI and mental strength and take Spiritual healing and maybe SoR |
| 21:32.11 | cladhaire | i see what you did |
| 21:32.28 | cladhaire | SoR is nice for the spirit |
| 21:32.28 | Kaso | Also i guess Surge of Light aint so good come 2.1 |
| 21:32.30 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 21:32.37 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 21:32.40 | cladhaire | its still good |
| 21:32.43 | Kaso | cant crit any more |
| 21:32.49 | cladhaire | and i'd be dead in the water solo-wise without it. |
| 21:33.21 | Shirik | they really need to fix healing anyway >.> |
| 21:33.30 | zenzelezz | fix? |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | I find it wrong that priests are no longer at all used in raids for healing |
| 21:34.05 | Shirik | imho, priests should be the #1 preferred healer |
| 21:34.07 | Cide | they just need to give all heals cooldowns |
| 21:34.22 | Cide | yes, I'm serious too |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | that would be.... interesting |
| 21:34.38 | zenzelezz | I've not seen (m)any guilds ditch priests |
| 21:34.39 | Kaso | Hello Full Heal Rotations? |
| 21:34.39 | nevcairiel | if they give all those dmg abilitys cooldowns as well |
| 21:34.49 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Oh, they haven't ditched them |
| 21:34.49 | Cide | Kaso: no, not full heals |
| 21:34.58 | Shirik | but almost all raids now use shadow priests instead of holy ones |
| 21:35.01 | gnorlish | we rocked gruul last night with 0 holy priests, our hateful tank had enough hp to withstand 12 grows |
| 21:35.03 | Cide | take our current spells and put them on 10 sec cooldowns |
| 21:35.07 | gnorlish | so we stacked shadow priests and pallies |
| 21:35.15 | Shirik | that's exactly what everyone does |
| 21:35.17 | Shirik | pallies are the new main healer |
| 21:35.19 | gnorlish | it was gross |
| 21:35.21 | Cide | eh |
| 21:35.23 | Shirik | with shadow priests to back them up |
| 21:35.27 | Cide | we have ~6 priests, 0 shadow priests |
| 21:35.31 | cladhaire | am i gimped without PI? |
| 21:35.37 | Kaso | Not hugely |
| 21:35.40 | zenzelezz | <Kaso> Hello Full Heal Rotations? <-- omg, Mercenaries raid! "<doctor1>: COMPLETE HEAL ON <tank> <doctor2> IS NEXT" good old Anarchy Online "raids" |
| 21:35.41 | Cide | we do gruul up to grow ~16-18 |
| 21:35.44 | Shirik | well Cide, no offense, but that is very out-of-the-norm |
| 21:35.49 | Cide | I know |
| 21:35.56 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: no, PI is way too situational |
| 21:35.56 | Cide | we're about to change it |
| 21:36.10 | Cide | but priests are useful for kazzak and doomwalker! |
| 21:36.21 | Shirik | on the other hand |
| 21:36.22 | Gnarfoz | shadow priests backing up healdins is over with 2.1 anyway |
| 21:36.26 | Shirik | I love that I don't need to use aspect of the viper lol |
| 21:36.34 | Shirik | I don't run out of mana at all even in aspect of the hawk |
| 21:36.39 | JoshBorke | Gnarfoz: not really. VT will still help paladin mana efficiency |
| 21:36.42 | Shirik | huge numbers ftw |
| 21:37.01 | Kaso | Paladins will just all use Blessing of Sacrifice on tanks :> |
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| 21:37.06 | Shirik | Now I'm not saying shadow priests should disappear |
| 21:37.13 | Shirik | Actually, I think it's awesome that they now have a purpose in raids |
| 21:37.23 | Shirik | But I would like to see holy priests come back too |
| 21:38.02 | cladhaire | Cide: Unbreakable will or imp wand |
| 21:38.29 | Cide | for healing? UW |
| 21:38.39 | Guillotine | omg! I won WoWI's daily prize! I feel so special |
| 21:38.48 | Shirik | what's wowi's daily prize? |
| 21:38.50 | Shirik | night with Cairenn? |
| 21:39.06 | Guillotine | no idea. but a flashing banner on the side of the page said I won it, so I must have |
| 21:39.10 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:39.10 | Kaso | haha |
| 21:39.11 | cladhaire | Okay, how bad is this |
| 21:39.12 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxG0khxdbxZfxxccbVb |
| 21:39.12 | gnorlish | resisting stuns and fears vs heroic trash gets priests gibbed |
| 21:39.27 | Cairenn | god I hate those damn things >< |
| 21:39.38 | Cide | cladhaire: what're you aiming for? |
| 21:39.45 | Guillotine | you have to wonder if anyone actually falls for them anymore o.O I mean, they're on like every site |
| 21:39.52 | cladhaire | raid healing, with _some_ soloability |
| 21:40.08 | cladhaire | when i was down to imp ds + holy without lolsmite, i could kill three mobs, and i needed to drink |
| 21:40.17 | cladhaire | i'd like to extend that JUST a bit withotu sacrificing too much healing |
| 21:40.24 | Guillotine | clad: drop 1 spiritual guidance for spirit of redemption |
| 21:40.33 | Guillotine | it gives about the same utility since it increases your spirit by 5% now |
| 21:40.33 | cladhaire | i have a point to spend |
| 21:40.34 | cladhaire | =) |
| 21:40.36 | Kaso | theres 1 point free on that built |
| 21:40.38 | cladhaire | that's why i waited :P |
| 21:40.41 | Guillotine | oh, right. didn't notice |
| 21:40.51 | cladhaire | is it silly to go that deep without atking PI? |
| 21:40.57 | cladhaire | its just the extra 3 in mental strength |
| 21:41.01 | cladhaire | i'm not a fan of + max mana |
| 21:41.06 | cladhaire | since it only help at the beginning of the fight |
| 21:41.11 | Cide | get SoR over PI |
| 21:41.33 | cladhaire | well PI would take 4 more points |
| 21:41.36 | cladhaire | SoR only takes 1 |
| 21:41.39 | cladhaire | so i'm sold :P |
| 21:41.39 | Cide | I'd drop Force of Will for spiritual healing myself |
| 21:41.49 | cladhaire | really? |
| 21:41.55 | cladhaire | i mean I can see why |
| 21:42.05 | Cide | well, depends on how much of raid healing you're gonna do |
| 21:42.14 | cladhaire | Gruul, probably not main healing, but I'll be going |
| 21:42.18 | cladhaire | that level |
| 21:42.41 | Cide | if you're gonna solo, consider getting martyrdom and drop one point from silent resolve and the point in absolution |
| 21:42.44 | AnduinLothar | we had a 3 pally, 2 priest grp last night on gruul, one was shadow. it was hax |
| 21:43.00 | Cide | cladhaire: you probably don't need spiritual healing then |
| 21:43.11 | AnduinLothar | i never went bellow 80% mana continually catsing heals |
| 21:43.13 | Cide | at that point it's more a question of what you want to be better at |
| 21:43.17 | Cide | AnduinLothar: you're a paladin |
| 21:43.19 | cladhaire | at what level would I need it? |
| 21:43.35 | cladhaire | if we're talking SSC, then I'd respec holy if we got to that point :P |
| 21:43.36 | Cide | 1) paladins don't run out of mana, 2) shadow priests + paladins are overpowered atm :P |
| 21:43.38 | Guillotine | clad: I'd also take imp shield over mental agility. What instant spells will you be using besides shield? |
| 21:43.49 | AnduinLothar | yes, but pally with 100mp5 + shadow priest + wisdom = hax |
| 21:43.49 | Cide | SSC and possibly magtheridon, yeah |
| 21:44.11 | Cide | anything below that is a joke to heal tbh |
| 21:44.14 | Kaso | I wonder if i am the only shadow priest who's annoyed at blizard for backing out on the FSW nerf |
| 21:44.17 | cladhaire | k |
| 21:44.25 | AnduinLothar | esp since the shadow priest was fuelign 4 healers |
| 21:44.54 | cladhaire | Cide: So you'd say something like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxrMzhxdbxZfxxccbqb |
| 21:45.03 | Cide | yup |
| 21:45.11 | Guillotine | I still don't see why you're taking mental agility |
| 21:45.18 | Cide | actually, I'd get healing prayers too, maybe drop 2 points of healing guidance |
| 21:45.34 | Cide | s/healing gui/spiritual gui/ |
| 21:46.02 | cladhaire | what about this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxrMzhxdbbZfxxccrqb |
| 21:46.19 | cladhaire | Guillotine: where else would i dump the points? |
| 21:46.21 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=dxTMuIMzbZfyxkc0oV0h <-- my build (very pvp-oriented) |
| 21:46.35 | cladhaire | haha i see this |
| 21:47.05 | Guillotine | cladhaire: I'd go imp shield. Shield is really the only instant you'll be using alot. Better to improve the strength by 15% for 3 points than decrease mana cost by 10% for 5 points |
| 21:47.11 | Guillotine | renew too, but thats already extremely mana efficient |
| 21:47.30 | Cide | cladhaire: you're probably better off grabbing the 2 points from spiritual guidance than force of will |
| 21:47.32 | Kaso | Im a big fan of imp shield, but it has alot of haters |
| 21:47.33 | Cide | Guillotine: that argument doesn't make sense |
| 21:47.42 | Cide | 10% is 10% |
| 21:47.57 | Cide | the fact that it's mana efficient doesn't make it any less "more mana efficient" |
| 21:48.18 | Shirik | anyone want to look at something for me? |
| 21:49.02 | Guillotine | suppose renew costs 200 points. Thats only taking off 20 mana. If it wern't mana efficient (like shield. say it costs 800), it would be taking off 80 mana |
| 21:49.02 | Kaso | depends what it is Shirik |
| 21:49.02 | Cide | over a fight where you run out of mana, mental agility increases the power of ALL instants by 10% |
| 21:49.03 | Guillotine | because most of your heals are not affected by that, it allows for far less heals to be cast |
| 21:49.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge clad|sleep (n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire) |
| 21:49.16 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o clad|sleep] by ChanServ |
| 21:49.28 | Cide | Guillotine: it means you can cast ~10% more renews and ~10% more shields |
| 21:49.30 | Shirik | wb clad|sleep |
| 21:49.44 | Cide | as well as ~10% more PoM's, ~10% more CoH's if you go that route |
| 21:49.55 | clad|sleep | thanks |
| 21:49.59 | cladhaire | what was the last build I linked? |
| 21:49.59 | Guillotine | thats right, I forgot about the new spells. still havn't leveled my priest past 61 |
| 21:50.05 | Cide | cladhaire: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxrMzhxdbbZfxxccrqb |
| 21:50.12 | cladhaire | thx.. hate crashing |
| 21:50.18 | cladhaire | was in group for arca too |
| 21:50.21 | cladhaire | hope it didn't break up |
| 21:51.06 | Cide | I'd suggest something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxrMzhxdbxZfxxccrsb |
| 21:51.51 | Cide | hmm, well, if you're soling a lot, imp wands might be a better choice |
| 21:51.57 | cladhaire | not a lot, but enough |
| 21:52.08 | cladhaire | tho unbreakable will is nice for gruul |
| 21:52.21 | Cide | hardly a requirement though |
| 21:52.48 | Cide | it's not useful in any other fight at the level you're focusing |
| 21:52.53 | Cide | nightbane fears but you'll be out of range |
| 21:52.56 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 21:52.59 | Shirik | Kaso/anyone else who wants to help: http://wowi.pastey.net/20454 I'm getting \RDXM_BattleRecorder\RDXM_BattleRecorder.lua:29: attempt to call global '_LogEvent' (a nil value) |
| 21:53.01 | cladhaire | this'll help :P |
| 21:53.02 | Shirik | (29 is 6 in that pastey) |
| 21:53.23 | Cide | Shirik: it's defined as a local below it |
| 21:53.41 | Shirik | not sure why that would matter? |
| 21:53.45 | Shirik | I thought about that |
| 21:53.49 | Shirik | but shouldn't it be accessible? |
| 21:53.58 | Cide | consider |
| 21:54.09 | Cide | >>> local function foo() print(a) end; local a = 123; foo() |
| 21:54.09 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 21:54.24 | Cide | >>> local a = 123; local function foo() print(a) end; foo() |
| 21:54.24 | Cide | Cide: 123 |
| 21:54.30 | Cide | Shirik: http://wowi.pastey.net/20457 |
| 21:54.30 | Shirik | huh... |
| 21:54.39 | zenzelezz | compilers read top to bottom, just like you do |
| 21:54.56 | Shirik | yeah I just thought it would figure out what _LogEvent is during the call to _CaptureEvent |
| 21:55.06 | Cide | not if the local is defined below it |
| 21:55.07 | Shirik | ok, thanks |
| 21:55.30 | cladhaire | Cide: Thanks, I think i'll roll with this. |
| 21:55.38 | Cide | cladhaire: you're welcome |
| 21:59.03 | cladhaire | Divine Spirit should be trainable |
| 21:59.04 | cladhaire | damnit |
| 22:01.20 | Cide | maybe more people would take lightwell and CoH then |
| 22:01.29 | Cide | but they're both a joke |
| 22:01.36 | cladhaire | yes they are |
| 22:01.38 | Cide | so probably not |
| 22:02.23 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: if you take lightwell i will hate you forever |
| 22:02.27 | cladhaire | i didn't |
| 22:02.29 | cladhaire | i said lolsmite |
| 22:02.30 | cladhaire | not lolwell |
| 22:02.44 | JoshBorke | and i'll have to lvl a hordeling just to gank you |
| 22:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always been tempted to try a smite build |
| 22:03.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | but then i remember how awesome mind flay is |
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| 22:03.21 | JoshBorke | it's not bad, just no endurance |
| 22:04.54 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: better than trying to kill things without surge of light, or any crit talents :P |
| 22:05.50 | Kaso | Smite build actually isnt that far off shadow for solo grinding |
| 22:05.50 | cladhaire | does Mystic Spellthread work on healing too |
| 22:05.54 | cladhaire | it says just damage specifically |
| 22:06.02 | JoshBorke | yes clad |
| 22:06.06 | Kaso | I leveled a good chunk of beta as smitebuild |
| 22:06.06 | cladhaire | yay |
| 22:06.09 | cladhaire | then its not that big of a diff |
| 22:06.10 | Kaso | i must say i enjoyed it |
| 22:06.23 | JoshBorke | i lvl'd to 70 as smite build |
| 22:06.29 | JoshBorke | but i didn't have SoL |
| 22:06.39 | Kaso | How can you have smite build without SoL?! |
| 22:06.42 | cladhaire | you're a gimp irl tho |
| 22:06.48 | cladhaire | so i dont' doubt it |
| 22:06.53 | JoshBorke | </3 |
| 22:06.54 | Kaso | SoL is the seminal smite talent |
| 22:07.13 | JoshBorke | i went heavy disc |
| 22:07.16 | cladhaire | DONT YOU BREAK THAT HEART MISTER |
| 22:07.27 | JoshBorke | i didn't know what i was doing, so i built my own spec |
| 22:07.28 | cladhaire | ooh i can make my [Primal Mooncloth Belt] tonight |
| 22:09.19 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=dqMhzhxtbtEZfxbZx is something like what i lvl'd with |
| 22:09.20 | Kaso | I had reflective shield for about 1hour |
| 22:09.20 | Kaso | then went and respecced |
| 22:09.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 22:09.21 | JoshBorke | yea, worthless talent |
| 22:09.23 | JoshBorke | shield as a spell is worthless |
| 22:09.27 | Thrae | As a Druid, I was Balance for about 1 hour. Then I went back to Feral. |
| 22:09.35 | Thrae | I liked being able to heal -sometimes- =/ |
| 22:09.56 | zenzelezz | for not-very-present grinding, PWS (reflective in the end) + SWP + wand did me 1-57 |
| 22:09.57 | KarlThePagan | have Addon interface numbers (i.e. 20100 etc) always been only numbers? |
| 22:10.01 | cladhaire | i healed better feral than anyone i met who was balance |
| 22:10.06 | cladhaire | KarlThePagan: yes |
| 22:10.07 | JoshBorke | KarlThePagan: yes |
| 22:10.11 | KarlThePagan | thx |
| 22:10.17 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: No one has answered your question yet, so I will -- yes |
| 22:10.30 | cladhaire | KarlThePagan: yes they were. |
| 22:10.36 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: Internally, they use 0.xxxx to represent beta and PTR builds |
| 22:10.36 | JoshBorke | poor thrae can't read |
| 22:10.37 | Kaso | back in the old days they used to be build numbers, but then they changed to patch numbers on release |
| 22:10.45 | Thrae | JoshBorke: WhoMod reads for me |
| 22:10.53 | Thrae | If I make a typo, fix WhoMod! |
| 22:11.05 | zenzelezz | and then changed again so you could actually tell WoW "1.10, k?" |
| 22:11.06 | KarlThePagan | ah just interface numbers, not build numbers ;) |
| 22:11.48 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: Nope, that's never open to the public. I'm sure they have an internal build number for each patch they do on PTR, etc. |
| 22:11.59 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:12.07 | KarlThePagan | and funny tagged builds and such |
| 22:12.31 | Thrae | If we searched through the files, we could probably find the string...dunno why you'd want it |
| 22:13.03 | KarlThePagan | don't need it, just the interface number |
| 22:13.20 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: There's a function to retreive the current interface # |
| 22:13.44 | KarlThePagan | an even better precident - but this is for addon updating not a lua project ;) |
| 22:13.59 | Mike-N-Go | JoshBorke: What talent is of less worth? |
| 22:15.13 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: reflective shield |
| 22:15.29 | Mike-N-Go | ok |
| 22:16.36 | JoshBorke | seriously. imp shield and reflective shield are both worthless |
| 22:17.34 | JoshBorke | my shield absorbs about 1565 damage |
| 22:17.47 | JoshBorke | >>> 1565*1.15 |
| 22:17.48 | Cide | JoshBorke: 1799.75 |
| 22:18.02 | JoshBorke | >>> 1799.75 * 0.5 |
| 22:18.02 | Cide | JoshBorke: 899.875 |
| 22:18.16 | JoshBorke | 899.875 damage for 600 mana |
| 22:18.24 | JoshBorke | 1800 healing for 600 mana |
| 22:18.35 | Cide | sounds like holy nova |
| 22:18.40 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:18.43 | JoshBorke | flash heal is 470 mana and avg's for 1700 with my +heal |
| 22:18.53 | JoshBorke | less mana, chance to crit, same heal |
| 22:19.26 | JoshBorke | PoM is HALF the mana, heals for AT LEAST the amount absorbed by shield |
| 22:20.31 | JoshBorke | in short, shield sucks |
| 22:20.46 | Cide | it has its uses |
| 22:20.54 | Cide | but dealing damage is not one of them |
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| 22:21.18 | JoshBorke | yea, i use shield while grinding because it's disc and not holy =D |
| 22:21.46 | JoshBorke | oops, i've been grinding with my fishing pole |
| 22:22.05 | Thrae | Fishing Pole w/ Crusader FTW! |
| 22:22.12 | Mikma | hah |
| 22:24.07 | Shirik | To whomever was telling me CombatLogDistanceRadius no longer works yesterday, right now I have it set to 3000 and I'm getting messages from some warlock and I can't see him anywhere, so I'm guessing it does still work |
| 22:24.15 | Shirik | (and yes, 3000 is overkill, deal with it :P) |
| 22:24.46 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: you remember the pants i told you about? the pants of the naaru? |
| 22:26.23 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:26.36 | JoshBorke | did you look at the quest line for them? |
| 22:26.41 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:26.45 | JoshBorke | hehe |
| 22:26.53 | JoshBorke | i forgot that they involved the cipher of damnation questline |
| 22:26.58 | cladhaire | yeah i know |
| 22:26.58 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 22:27.01 | cladhaire | need to get it done anyway |
| 22:27.06 | Mike-N-Go | Your all talking about effecintcy, what about max surviably, like in PvP, bursts and run your many dry because you may die soon anyways. |
| 22:27.06 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 22:27.24 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: if you are focused down, nothing is going to save you |
| 22:27.29 | JoshBorke | obviously i'm talking in general terms |
| 22:27.40 | JoshBorke | but really, 150 extra absorbtion for 3 talent points? |
| 22:27.42 | cladhaire | mmm |
| 22:27.47 | cladhaire | surge of light.. mmm.. |
| 22:27.50 | cladhaire | speciallyw hen it works like this |
| 22:27.55 | JoshBorke | ie bugged? |
| 22:28.02 | cladhaire | yep :P |
| 22:28.16 | JoshBorke | how does this build look? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVRMzhZbZxGgkMtkhtqo |
| 22:28.20 | JoshBorke | i mostly do 5mans |
| 22:28.38 | TC-Working | porn industry huh? |
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| 22:31.50 | JoshBorke | *cricket* |
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| 22:32.07 | cladhaire | wow.. sick crazy server lag right now |
| 22:34.22 | Industrial | Cab undead ride chocobo mounts? |
| 22:34.24 | Industrial | Can* |
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| 23:43.22 | chuckg | http://chuckg.org/dump/2007/gm_blink.jpg |
| 23:50.34 | Industrial | Anyone here using del.icio.us without a ginormous collection that ill never encompass within 8 hours? |
| 23:51.24 | Industrial | "It was a speedhack" |
| 23:53.22 | Industrial | besides theres no manual +speed buff/spell that doesnt give you a trail right |
| 23:57.13 | Corrodias | looks like our big warrior and myself are tanking in karazhan tonight |
| 23:57.51 | Corrodias | chuckg: poor confused user |
| 23:58.03 | Corrodias | he doesn't understand that "did it look like blink?" is not the same as "do you think it was blink?" |
| 23:58.03 | chuckg | Please help me find the light. |
| 23:58.19 | chuckg | If you say so. |
| 23:58.22 | chuckg | He never asked that question. |
| 23:58.25 | chuckg | Neither before nor after. |
| 23:58.32 | TC-Working | ~moo |
| 23:58.44 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 23:58.44 | Corrodias | "are you familiar with the ability blink? did it look like that?" |
| 23:58.57 | chuckg | If he wanted to ask that question. |
| 23:59.00 | chuckg | Perhaps he should have typed that out. |
| 23:59.11 | Corrodias | i just transcribed exactly what he asked |
| 23:59.16 | Corrodias | except i put it on one line instead of two |
| 23:59.17 | chuckg | The ambiguousness of his statement just opened a door for me to demolish him. |
| 23:59.24 | chuckg | So I did. |
| 23:59.26 | chuckg | And it was fun. |
