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| 01:07.12 | Industrial | Is there any role as to what level the mob must be in order for you to be able to skin it? |
| 01:07.27 | Industrial | rule* |
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| 01:10.07 | beerke | skinnig level/5 = mob level |
| 01:10.38 | beerke | sow 300/5 = max level 60 you can skin |
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| 01:29.57 | JoshBorke | purl, comfort mikma |
| 01:30.14 | purl | There, there, mikma. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:31.06 | Mikma | JoshBorke: how dare you! |
| 01:31.23 | Mikma | purl: rape JoshBorke |
| 01:31.28 | purl | How DARE you think such a thing, mikma?! Shame on you! |
| 01:31.42 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:31.46 | JoshBorke | owned |
| 01:31.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:32.04 | Mikma | purl: that is your job |
| 01:32.06 | purl | Mikma: what are you talking about? |
| 01:32.11 | Mikma | purl: rape |
| 01:32.13 | purl | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 01:32.29 | Depherios | purl, what is your job? |
| 01:32.31 | purl | Depherios: what are you talking about? |
| 01:32.41 | JoshBorke | purl, job |
| 01:32.43 | purl | Then Cladhaire arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped. And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Blizzard gave, and the Blizzard hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Slouken. -- Cide 1: 20-21 |
| 01:32.56 | JoshBorke | rofl |
| 01:32.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:32.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:33.05 | Mikma | hahah |
| 01:33.10 | cladhaire | ~literal job |
| 01:33.12 | purl | "job" is "<reply>Then Cladhaire arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped. And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Blizzard gave, and the Blizzard hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Slouken. -- Cide 1: 20-21" |
| 01:33.19 | cladhaire | thats... really.. weird. |
| 01:33.28 | JoshBorke | ~factinfo job |
| 01:33.28 | purl | job -- last modified at Sat Oct 14 17:29:25 2006 by malreth!n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com; it has been requested once, last by JoshBorke, 45s ago. |
| 01:33.33 | Zicon | purl obviously loves you, cladhaire. |
| 01:33.50 | zenzelezz | purl, seen malreth |
| 01:34.20 | purl | malreth <n=malreth@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 62d 21h 11m 16s ago, saying: 'miss me?'. |
| 01:34.21 | Zicon | And in such a charming, way, too. |
| 01:34.21 | Zicon | s/charming, way/charming way/ |
| 01:34.59 | JoshBorke | lol, appropriate last message |
| 01:35.12 | Mikma | ya |
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| 01:39.51 | AnduinLothar | i win! mcrypt, mbstring and zlib installed on my php5 apache2 server... my brain hurts... |
| 01:40.27 | AnduinLothar | i have to manually configure almost everything cause my systems so non-standard |
| 01:40.52 | Tem | it's your fault for using fruit |
| 01:41.35 | AnduinLothar | well, that and i have apache2 with php5 and apache with php4 1 running concurrently... |
| 01:49.46 | cladhaire | my druit runs fine |
| 01:49.46 | cladhaire | s/dr/fr/ |
| 01:49.46 | cladhaire | dont' hate |
| 01:50.40 | AnduinLothar | oh it runs fine. installing unix apps/libs can be a pain tho |
| 01:50.53 | cladhaire | meh, that's not my experience |
| 01:50.53 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:51.09 | AnduinLothar | have you tried apache2 yet? |
| 01:51.16 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:51.43 | AnduinLothar | you compile it manually or use a manager like fink? |
| 01:51.51 | cladhaire | compile it |
| 01:51.57 | AnduinLothar | where'd you put it |
| 01:52.22 | JoshBorke | i had a little bit of trouble compiling svn support into apache2 =/ |
| 01:52.33 | AnduinLothar | ya, i haven't figured that out yet |
| 01:52.45 | JoshBorke | mainly because i was trying to mix apt-get and manual installation |
| 01:53.11 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:53.22 | AnduinLothar | i was mixing fink and manual |
| 01:53.35 | AnduinLothar | and couldn't figure out how to add configure options to fink |
| 01:53.54 | cladhaire | you don't compile svn support into apache |
| 01:53.59 | cladhaire | you compile svn with the apache module |
| 01:54.15 | AnduinLothar | mod_svn? |
| 01:54.20 | cladhaire | yep, best way to handle it. |
| 01:54.26 | AnduinLothar | i cant get it running |
| 01:54.33 | cladhaire | darwinports would have been a better choice than fink |
| 01:54.36 | cladhaire | either fink it all |
| 01:54.38 | cladhaire | or compile it all imo |
| 01:54.50 | cladhaire | thats why BSD doesn't have binary ports by default =) |
| 01:55.16 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'm finding that out. but i have a ton of stuff finked atm i rly don't want to manually reinstall it all |
| 01:55.26 | cladhaire | Fin: ports ftw =) |
| 01:55.35 | Fin | cladhaire: yes! |
| 01:55.58 | AnduinLothar | and fink didn't have everything i wanted |
| 01:56.16 | cladhaire | with compiles, you can have your install home be whatever you want |
| 01:56.17 | AnduinLothar | like it has phpMyAdmin but it doesn't have mcrypt |
| 01:56.19 | cladhaire | local installs rock |
| 01:59.45 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 01:59.49 | Shirik | My group just got stuck inside Karazhan |
| 01:59.58 | Shirik | We went through a door and like.... couldn't go back >< |
| 02:00.11 | Arrowmaster | balconey after chess event? |
| 02:00.17 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:00.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah got stuck there a few months ago |
| 02:00.28 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 02:00.31 | AnduinLothar | it's bugged |
| 02:00.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:00.43 | Shirik | we were all like "Oooh what's this" |
| 02:00.43 | Arrowmaster | then said stay away from the doorway or raid kick |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | we never noticed it before >< |
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| 02:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, it's Starcraft 2 |
| 02:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://capricasix.com/blizz_.jpg |
| 03:00.41 | Nom- | lol SRSLY? |
| 03:01.08 | Nom- | holy crap |
| 03:01.24 | JoshBorke | sex |
| 03:01.34 | Nom- | the graphics are that much better that i could beleive it's just not SC1 with new models |
| 03:01.37 | Nom- | That's sexy |
| 03:02.14 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 03:02.14 | JoshBorke | it's totally SC2 |
| 03:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That screenshot makes me all sorts of hot |
| 03:02.27 | JoshBorke | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3980165796053569246 |
| 03:02.30 | Tain | I'll wait for real confirmation. I've been hurt before. |
| 03:02.30 | JoshBorke | i want to cry i'm so happy |
| 03:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Tain |
| 03:02.57 | Depherios | I agree with Tain |
| 03:04.23 | Nom- | *drool* |
| 03:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | If that's not SC2 |
| 03:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know what it is |
| 03:05.32 | Depherios | not that |
| 03:08.31 | JoshBorke | ScytheBlade1: why must you bring up such painful thoughts? |
| 03:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke, it's only painful because you know I'm right. |
| 03:09.00 | JoshBorke | i'm gonna get into such a fight with my fiancee =/ |
| 03:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Buddy, it's SC2 |
| 03:09.10 | Nom- | The video looks fake |
| 03:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Fiancee type people don't matter |
| 03:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That video is fake |
| 03:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You can tell |
| 03:09.23 | Depherios | the video is fake |
| 03:09.23 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:09.28 | JoshBorke | yea, but still |
| 03:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But that screenshot |
| 03:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't |
| 03:09.31 | Nom- | It's just SC models on C&C |
| 03:09.37 | Nom- | The screenshot looks real, yeah |
| 03:09.49 | Nom- | I somehow doubt they would have the game that playable without even announcing it |
| 03:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The zerg have siege units! |
| 03:10.09 | Tain | There is a lot of hinting at a SC2, Blizzard is doing an announcement in Korea where StarCraft was practically the official national game. |
| 03:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Zerglings have real, authentic shadows! |
| 03:10.17 | Tain | But I don't care until they announce it. |
| 03:10.20 | Gnarfoz_ | Josh_Borke: that's C&C Generals with custom modelds O_o |
| 03:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | LOOK AT THE SHADOWS ON THE ZERGLING |
| 03:10.29 | JoshBorke | Gnarfoz_: that's what i thought |
| 03:10.47 | Gnarfoz_ | sounds, health & ammunition bars, the "level up" sound/fanfare and animation |
| 03:10.59 | JoshBorke | here's a world of starcraft screenshot! http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/089/reviews/932394_20060331_screen001.jpg |
| 03:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:11.16 | JoshBorke | it even has the wow icons! |
| 03:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be SC:G with a bit of photoshop applied |
| 03:12.26 | Thrae | Once again, I say Blizzard should gobble up the "Real-Time Tactical MMORPG" niche. No one has really done it successfully so far. Shattered Galaxies is a good start, but it was run by a tiny, tiny company. |
| 03:13.06 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, check out SGW, that should fit there |
| 03:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=starcraft2.com&prog_id=godaddy |
| 03:13.31 | JoshBorke | only makes sense to own sc2.com |
| 03:13.37 | JoshBorke | so they don't have to go buying it later on |
| 03:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone owns 3 though |
| 03:14.07 | JoshBorke | they've got at least 10 years before they'll need to buy that one |
| 03:14.22 | Nom- | ScytheBlade1: They've had the domains for ages |
| 03:14.24 | Tain | I swear WoW is the slowest game of any MMORPG ever made when it comes to running speed. |
| 03:14.29 | Nom- | Created on: 24-Sep-99 |
| 03:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-, yeah, they have. It also at one point in time, hosted the SC:G website. |
| 03:17.06 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Couldn't get a lot of information about SGW, doesn't look like its backed by a brand-name like Blizzard |
| 03:18.03 | Thunder_Child | isnt, but the should fit the description of what you want...if it's done correctly |
| 03:18.56 | JoshBorke | mmm, new background |
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| 03:20.04 | JoshBorke | nn |
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| 03:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and again |
| 03:23.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Can someone re-link me that screenshot? |
| 03:24.13 | Thunder_Child | which one? |
| 03:24.40 | Thunder_Child | http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/089/reviews/932394_20060331_screen001.jpg ? |
| 03:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No, the actual screenshot |
| 03:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Read up a few mores lines, I pasted it |
| 03:26.20 | Thunder_Child | http://capricasix.com/blizz_.jpg ? |
| 03:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the one |
| 03:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 03:26.20 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
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| 03:33.42 | Mike-N-Go | What is 'ninja DC'? |
| 04:06.28 | Thunder_Child | a dice check to be able to ninja |
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| 05:36.58 | Shirik | wtb better way to close windows in scite -_- |
| 05:37.09 | Shirik | or wtb me knowing not to open 20 windows -_- |
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| 05:39.26 | kahdgarxi | Evening folks. |
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| 06:03.52 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 06:04.17 | Shirik | evening |
| 06:04.39 | kahdgarxi | would it be unwise, performance wise, to scan through the raid every time an item link tooltip is shown? |
| 06:04.49 | Shirik | if it's unnecessary |
| 06:05.06 | Shirik | of course, it's always unwise if it's unnecessary, no matter what you're talking about :P |
| 06:05.12 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 06:05.21 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 06:05.27 | kahdgarxi | well, i think that would be a lot easier to do, then to actually keep track of who's in the raid |
| 06:05.28 | Shirik | I'll tell you scanning the raid is extremely quick |
| 06:05.37 | Shirik | We do it a lot for the HOT tracking in RDX |
| 06:05.51 | kahdgarxi | i'm writing a loot tracking system |
| 06:05.58 | Shirik | Ok, that's bad :P |
| 06:06.09 | Shirik | You should scan the first time, and then rescan whenever you get the RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE event |
| 06:06.22 | kahdgarxi | there we go |
| 06:06.26 | kahdgarxi | much better solution :) |
| 06:07.09 | Shirik | |
| 06:07.09 | Shirik | Fired whenever a raid is formed or disbanded, players are leaving or joining a raid (unsure if rejected join requests also fire the event), or when looting rules are changed (regardless of being in raid or party!) |
| 06:07.30 | kahdgarxi | excellent |
| 06:11.08 | Shirik | hmm |
| 06:11.13 | Shirik | I just wrote a 100 line comment |
| 06:12.35 | kahdgarxi | wow |
| 06:12.42 | kahdgarxi | better than under-documenting |
| 06:12.48 | Shirik | want to see it? :D |
| 06:12.51 | kahdgarxi | lol, sure |
| 06:13.06 | Shirik | I like it |
| 06:13.10 | Shirik | I think it's pretty |
| 06:13.14 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 06:13.17 | kahdgarxi | does it include pictures? |
| 06:13.20 | Shirik | it does! |
| 06:13.31 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/19422 |
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| 06:15.13 | kahdgarxi | holy crap |
| 06:15.22 | kahdgarxi | now that's what i call a comment |
| 06:15.41 | kahdgarxi | so... why all this binary mumbo jumbo? efficiency? |
| 06:15.43 | Karrion | that's a nice comment |
| 06:16.12 | Shirik | kahdgarxi: Yeah; if you knew everything I was trying to do, you'd note it will be much much easier to filter what I want this way |
| 06:16.23 | Shirik | and instead of 16*64 bytes, I only use 16 bytes |
| 06:16.31 | Shirik | only 64 bytes * |
| 06:16.33 | kahdgarxi | very nice |
| 06:16.48 | kahdgarxi | this puts my code to shame :P |
| 06:16.55 | Shirik | bleh don't worry about it :P |
| 06:17.04 | Shirik | I go crazy with OOP and memory saving |
| 06:18.14 | kahdgarxi | I'll just be happy when my addon is functional >_> |
| 06:18.29 | Shirik | Everyone starts from somewhere :) |
| 06:18.52 | Shirik | besides, have you experience in other languages |
| 06:18.53 | Shirik | ? |
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| 06:18.58 | kahdgarxi | sorta kinda |
| 06:19.03 | kahdgarxi | i've messed around with C |
| 06:19.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:19.09 | kahdgarxi | never done anything real though |
| 06:19.13 | Shirik | Well see... I have experience in... |
| 06:19.16 | Shirik | well, a lot |
| 06:19.18 | kahdgarxi | lol |
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| 06:19.27 | kahdgarxi | i always get myself confused with pointers |
| 06:19.30 | Shirik | And as you practice you not only get better in that one language |
| 06:19.35 | Shirik | you get better in programming in general |
| 06:19.36 | kahdgarxi | trying to purely self-educate has its downsides |
| 06:19.41 | Shirik | Pointers are fun :D |
| 06:19.45 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 06:19.56 | Shirik | it's actually a pretty simple concept, you use them in Lua too |
| 06:20.09 | kahdgarxi | i understand the concept |
| 06:20.24 | Shirik | foo = { a = 1;}; bar = foo; bar["a"] = 2; print(foo["a"]); |
| 06:20.24 | kahdgarxi | it's just that any time it's explained in C, i think to myself, 'and why are we doint this?' |
| 06:20.27 | Shirik | that will print 2 :) |
| 06:20.39 | Shirik | because bar and foo both point to the same memory location |
| 06:20.54 | Shirik | in fact... |
| 06:21.25 | kahdgarxi | and then it explains the application, i think to myself... and i'm doing this because...? |
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| 06:21.26 | Shirik | > foo = {}; bar = foo; print(foo, bar); |
| 06:21.26 | Shirik | table: 005C0E30 table: 005C0E30 |
| 06:21.28 | Shirik | see :) |
| 06:21.40 | Shirik | let's say.... |
| 06:21.46 | Shirik | you have two places you need to use something |
| 06:21.52 | Shirik | if you change it in one place you need the other to be updated |
| 06:22.08 | Nom- | > fork() while fork() |
| 06:22.10 | Nom- | boo |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik | by using pointers to the same variable, you now essentially have two copies of the same variable |
| 06:22.18 | kahdgarxi | why not just use the same variable then? |
| 06:22.25 | Shirik | ok let's use a C example |
| 06:22.30 | Shirik | let me draw one up |
| 06:22.46 | Nom- | Pointers ftw |
| 06:22.57 | Nom- | Pointers make stuff easier to narrow down |
| 06:23.07 | Nom- | Let's say you have a data structure with all your settings |
| 06:23.30 | Nom- | Your can do UserProfile = MyBigSettingsDB.Profiles['somename'] |
| 06:23.39 | Nom- | UserProfile.SomeSetting = 1 |
| 06:23.40 | amro | pointers are fun. till all the segfaults, that is. |
| 06:23.42 | Nom- | etc.etc |
| 06:24.12 | kahdgarxi | interesting |
| 06:24.23 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/19425 |
| 06:24.24 | Nom- | Or, let's say you, like me have a nice deep structure (this is in perl) |
| 06:24.39 | amro | they're useful in linked lists, for example |
| 06:24.41 | Shirik | you will find that fn() does not change the contents of b |
| 06:24.43 | Shirik | but fn2() does |
| 06:24.53 | Shirik | And YES linked lists are probably the most frequent use of them, imo |
| 06:24.55 | amro | when you only need a reference of an object but not the object itself |
| 06:24.58 | Nom- | $self->{'results'}->{$QDATE}->{$QNAME}->{$team}->{'closed'}->{'taskid'}->{$taskid} = 1; |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | holy c5rap |
| 06:25.15 | Nom- | It's just SLIGHTLY easier to loop through that using pointers |
| 06:25.36 | kahdgarxi | so it's all about scope then |
| 06:25.58 | Nom- | Yeah, we have some pretty insane structures in perl here :) |
| 06:26.05 | Nom- | That's a sample line from one of the reports we run |
| 06:26.15 | Nom- | That gets serialised into a data file |
| 06:26.21 | Shirik | Also |
| 06:26.22 | Shirik | btw |
| 06:26.26 | Shirik | Passing a pointer |
| 06:26.33 | Shirik | is a hell of a lot easier than copying all of the data over |
| 06:26.38 | Nom- | and faster |
| 06:26.45 | Nom- | and more memory efficient |
| 06:26.53 | Shirik | that's what I meant by easier :P |
| 06:26.58 | Nom- | Try copying 200MB worth of data files around in memory |
| 06:27.01 | Shirik | A pointer is, in essense, an integer |
| 06:27.01 | Nom- | Takes a BLOODY long time |
| 06:27.20 | kahdgarxi | yeah, it just points to a memory location |
| 06:27.37 | Nom- | I've found some places in our codebase here where we're copying data up to 5 times |
| 06:27.50 | Nom- | And that data is HTML output, which in cases can be 500,000 rows of data |
| 06:27.58 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 06:28.09 | Nom- | *shudder* |
| 06:28.12 | Nom- | Just glad I didn't write it |
| 06:28.48 | Shirik | And when you get to assembly |
| 06:28.53 | Shirik | Pointers are how everything is done >< |
| 06:29.23 | kahdgarxi | have you seen brainf*ck? |
| 06:29.27 | Shirik | mm |
| 06:29.28 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:29.30 | kahdgarxi | omg |
| 06:29.33 | kahdgarxi | it's so wrong |
| 06:29.36 | ckknight | fun language |
| 06:29.45 | Nom- | Assembly is...interesting...to learn |
| 06:29.46 | ckknight | I made a compiler for it in my x86 assembly class |
| 06:29.56 | kahdgarxi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 06:30.03 | Shirik | Nom-: I'll be using it over the summer :) |
| 06:30.32 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.39 | Shirik | o.o |
| 06:30.40 | Nom- | That's 'hello world' in brainfuck :) |
| 06:30.44 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:31.03 | Shirik | why... |
| 06:31.06 | Shirik | why....... |
| 06:31.06 | kahdgarxi | it's an aptly named language |
| 06:31.17 | Nom- | The brainfuck language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism. It was designed to challenge and amuse programmers, and is not suitable for practical use. |
| 06:31.59 | ckknight | it's turing complete! |
| 06:32.16 | kahdgarxi | debugging that would be SO MUCH FUN |
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| 06:32.25 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:32.28 | Shirik | Hi Cairen1 |
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| 06:33.30 | Shirik | she doesn't even say hi :( |
| 06:33.38 | Cairenn | hi :p |
| 06:33.38 | Shirik | she just stealth-fixes her name and goes away |
| 06:33.41 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:33.52 | Cairenn | g'night |
| 06:33.56 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 06:33.56 | kahdgarxi | night |
| 06:33.57 | Shirik | night :) |
| 06:34.11 | Nom- | beef helloworld.bf |
| 06:34.12 | Nom- | Hello World! |
| 06:34.15 | Nom- | It does indeed work :) |
| 06:34.24 | Shirik | beef helloworld.bf |
| 06:34.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:34.40 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.48 | Nom- | humm |
| 06:35.53 | Nom- | I want to learn Java |
| 06:35.56 | kahdgarxi | when you allocate a variable by assignment, is it local or global? |
| 06:36.01 | Nom- | But I can't think of something I can be bothered building in it |
| 06:36.06 | Shirik | unless specified otherwise, it is global |
| 06:36.16 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 06:36.26 | Shirik | oh! |
| 06:36.30 | Shirik | You were asking about pointers, right? |
| 06:36.38 | Shirik | I should have included one more line... the very next line in that pastey I gave earlier |
| 06:36.59 | Shirik | is this: |
| 06:36.59 | Shirik | local C = RDXM.BattleRecorder.CONSTANTS;-- Make more easily accessible temporarily |
| 06:37.10 | Shirik | That way, I just have to do C.TYPE_HIT or whatever |
| 06:37.16 | Shirik | instead of RDXM.BattleRecorder.CONSTANTS.TYPE_HIT |
| 06:37.26 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 06:37.32 | kahdgarxi | there's a couple places i could do that |
| 06:37.50 | kahdgarxi | so |
| 06:37.51 | kahdgarxi | in theory |
| 06:37.57 | kahdgarxi | for index=1, GetNumRaidMembers(), 1 do |
| 06:38.00 | kahdgarxi | with that for loop |
| 06:38.08 | Shirik | the ending 1 is unnecessary btw ;) |
| 06:38.09 | kahdgarxi | if another loop happens to be running at the same time |
| 06:38.19 | kahdgarxi | that also uses 'index' as an index |
| 06:38.22 | Shirik | impossible |
| 06:38.29 | kahdgarxi | oh? |
| 06:38.34 | Shirik | Lua is not multi-threaded |
| 06:38.42 | Shirik | only one thing can happen at a time |
| 06:38.49 | Shirik | which is why if your addon locks up, the entire game locks up |
| 06:38.51 | Tierrie | lua is a programming language :P |
| 06:39.01 | Shirik | ok... the lua INTERPRETER is not multithreaded |
| 06:39.08 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 06:39.10 | Tierrie | hi5! |
| 06:39.51 | kahdgarxi | mkay |
| 06:40.08 | Shirik | but, to fully answer your question |
| 06:40.10 | kahdgarxi | so the only time i have to worry about loops sharing an index variable is when a loop is running inside another loop |
| 06:40.12 | Shirik | for x = 1,5 do end |
| 06:40.16 | Shirik | x is local to the for loop |
| 06:40.24 | kahdgarxi | okay |
| 06:40.44 | kahdgarxi | so i can even fo for x = 1,5 do for x = 1,5 do end end |
| 06:40.57 | Shirik | mmm, yes that would work |
| 06:41.01 | Shirik | though you'd be unable to access the outside x |
| 06:41.11 | kahdgarxi | *nod* |
| 06:41.19 | Nom- | so nasty :) |
| 06:41.27 | Shirik | Nom- I've seen worse :P |
| 06:41.36 | kahdgarxi | hm? |
| 06:41.45 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping#Complex_Scope |
| 06:41.48 | Shirik | :D I wrote that example |
| 06:41.52 | Nom- | no, it's nasty that the scope happens like that |
| 06:42.07 | Nom- | imho the scope of a variable should be top down |
| 06:42.21 | Shirik | o.o |
| 06:42.38 | Shirik | why? >< |
| 06:42.53 | Nom- | coz it propmote better programming |
| 06:43.04 | Nom- | *promotes |
| 06:43.06 | Shirik | local a; do local a; end |
| 06:43.13 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.13 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.14 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.15 | kahdgarxi | omg |
| 06:43.15 | Shirik | I think the second var should be different from the first :/ |
| 06:43.18 | kahdgarxi | i must do this |
| 06:43.26 | Shirik | kahdgarxi: Most addons do :P |
| 06:43.35 | kahdgarxi | i'm so tired of typing DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("blah") |
| 06:43.55 | Nom- | Shirik: imho, that should generate a compiler exception :) |
| 06:44.27 | Nom- | Something like 'E_LERN_2_USE_BETTER_VARIABLE_NAMES' would do |
| 06:44.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:44.39 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 06:44.58 | Nom- | but i'm used to C/C++/Perl |
| 06:45.01 | Nom- | Where you can't do that |
| 06:45.18 | Shirik | right, my best language is C++ myself, and no you can't do that, but there's one little difference |
| 06:45.19 | Nom- | my $foo; sub bar { my $foo; } <-- compiler error |
| 06:45.23 | Shirik | you can't redeclare variables at all |
| 06:45.35 | Nom- | Yah, you can't redeclare in the same scope |
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| 06:46.31 | Nom- | It promotes, by it's very nature, the lesser use of globals |
| 06:46.37 | Shirik | lol, true |
| 06:46.53 | Nom- | I can't remember the last time i've used a global in one of my apps |
| 06:46.55 | Shirik | but you also have the benefit of that language like PHP where a variable is local until declared global |
| 06:46.59 | Shirik | Lua it's backwards |
| 06:46.59 | kahdgarxi | I do prefix them though.. |
| 06:47.11 | Nom- | Then again, Perl doesn't really have globals I guess |
| 06:47.16 | Tierrie | perl does |
| 06:47.34 | Tierrie | $::GLOBAL_VAR |
| 06:47.37 | Nom- | Tierrie: Not really... they're all declared within a scope |
| 06:47.52 | Nom- | lol, yeah, i've seen nothing ever use that :P |
| 06:47.56 | Shirik | well if you REALLY want to get into details |
| 06:48.01 | Shirik | there's no such thing as a global variable in Lua either |
| 06:48.13 | Shirik | a = 4; setfenv(0, {}); print(a); |
| 06:48.14 | Shirik | prints nil |
| 06:48.20 | Tierrie | I'ved used $:: before once or twice, there was a good reason to use it |
| 06:48.31 | Nom- | Really? I can't think of one... |
| 06:48.41 | Tierrie | i can't remember now, but it was only one variable |
| 06:48.46 | Tierrie | I think it was $::DEBUG |
| 06:48.58 | Shirik | sorry, actually... it would yield an error because print() is no longer defined :P |
| 06:49.30 | amro | Shirik: they're still global variables, you just blew them up :P |
| 06:49.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:49.39 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:49.41 | Tierrie | why does the Magikarp evolve to Gyarados at level 20!? why! |
| 06:50.11 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:50.31 | Shirik | please forward this question to #mypokymanz |
| 06:51.17 | Tierrie | pokeymans? |
| 06:51.21 | Tierrie | jk :) |
| 06:51.31 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 06:51.31 | Nom- | Well, that's something you don't normally do at a globals anyway |
| 06:52.08 | Nom- | Personally, I'd use $ENV{DEBUG} or __PACKAGE__->DEBUG(1); |
| 06:52.30 | Shirik | are all perl variables uppercase? |
| 06:52.31 | Nom- | That's why there's more than one way to do it :) |
| 06:52.38 | Nom- | No, they're case sensitive |
| 06:52.51 | Shirik | just I've always seen you guys using uppercase |
| 06:52.53 | Nom- | It's considered good practice to make some things all caps tho |
| 06:53.02 | Nom- | constants = caps |
| 06:53.03 | Shirik | 02:47:34 ‹Tierrie› $::GLOBAL_VAR 02:52:08 ‹Nom-› Personally, I'd use $ENV{DEBUG} or __PACKAGE__->DEBUG(1);02:48:45 ‹Tierrie› I think it was $::DEBUG |
| 06:53.07 | Shirik | yeah I do the same |
| 06:53.12 | Shirik | (reference above pastey) |
| 06:53.40 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/19422 :P |
| 06:53.49 | Nom- | perl best practice i think says vars should be like (my $var_with_long_name) and constants in all upper |
| 06:53.57 | Nom- | or methodWithLongName |
| 06:54.01 | Nom- | or Method |
| 06:54.27 | Tierrie | yupyup |
| 06:54.31 | Nom- | Not everyone follow it tho...personally i use all lower case on my methods (for the most part) |
| 06:55.05 | Shirik | I typically follow the Java naming conventions (sadly) |
| 06:55.11 | Shirik | verbs and nouns |
| 06:55.55 | Nom- | But then i do a lot of database work |
| 06:56.04 | Nom- | So my method names match my column names in the datbase |
| 06:56.42 | Nom- | depends on the app i suppose...i personally think new_application looks cleaner than newApplication |
| 06:56.46 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 06:57.21 | Shirik | I would be the opposite, but meh |
| 06:57.34 | kahdgarxi | CHEVY!! no, FORD!!! >_> |
| 06:57.55 | Nom- | FORD: Full of Real Dickheads |
| 06:58.19 | Nom- | Can't think of one for CHECY |
| 06:58.23 | Nom- | CHEVY even |
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| 07:00.04 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.06 | Nom- | There we go |
| 07:00.17 | Shirik | um |
| 07:00.18 | Shirik | Y? |
| 07:00.29 | Nom- | Full company name... |
| 07:00.33 | Nom- | CHEVROLET |
| 07:00.38 | Shirik | ahhh |
| 07:01.12 | kahdgarxi | PONTIAC |
| 07:01.26 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.26 | kahdgarxi | Poor Old Nincumpoop Thinks It's A Chevy. |
| 07:01.32 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 07:01.40 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 07:01.45 | Shirik | chrysler? |
| 07:01.46 | kahdgarxi | it must be late :P |
| 07:01.51 | Shirik | they can't have one for that |
| 07:02.08 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.13 | kahdgarxi | hahaha |
| 07:02.19 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.20 | Shirik | wtf does that mean? |
| 07:02.30 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 07:02.34 | kahdgarxi | second one's better |
| 07:02.36 | kahdgarxi | and more accurate |
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| 07:03.47 | Nom- | AUDI: All Unnecessary Devices Installed |
| 07:04.17 | kahdgarxi | lamborghini |
| 07:04.40 | Nom- | They dared not insult the lambo |
| 07:04.54 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 07:07.54 | kahdgarxi | you know, it's probably a good thing the lua interpreter does scope the way it does, as far as local before global |
| 07:07.57 | kahdgarxi | cause |
| 07:08.09 | kahdgarxi | what happens when some random addon author uses a really retarded global? |
| 07:08.29 | Nom- | Well, they should be local anyway :) |
| 07:08.29 | Shirik | they already do |
| 07:08.31 | Nom- | imho :) |
| 07:08.37 | kahdgarxi | yes they do |
| 07:08.50 | kahdgarxi | but your addon would be messed up because of it |
| 07:08.54 | Shirik | which is why |
| 07:08.56 | Nom- | Yeah, they do |
| 07:08.59 | Shirik | even with a humongous addon |
| 07:09.03 | Nom- | That already happens...there are some addons which clash |
| 07:09.10 | Shirik | you are better off making a namespace |
| 07:09.19 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 07:09.24 | kahdgarxi | i really need to go through and do that |
| 07:09.29 | kahdgarxi | it would be a pretty easy find/replace |
| 07:09.46 | kahdgarxi | i already have a prefix for all of my globals |
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| 07:11.04 | Nom- | Despite my objections to it's variable handling, it could make maintenance easier in some of our larger projects |
| 07:11.34 | Nom- | heh lua.org is dead |
| 07:11.35 | Nom- | fun |
| 07:12.12 | Esamynn | Nom-: NO WHY? WHY DID YOU KILL IT!?!?!!?!? |
| 07:12.29 | foxlit | www.lua.org |
| 07:12.40 | foxlit | Seems they've only changed one of the hosts |
| 07:12.53 | Nom- | Planned Maintenance |
| 07:12.53 | Nom- | Sorry, this site is currently unavailable due to planned maintenance on the server that hosts it. This work will be complete on the 30th of April 2007. Thank you for your patience while this happens. |
| 07:13.01 | Nom- | As I said, it's dead atm :) |
| 07:13.31 | Nom- | I'm just thinking it'd be an interesting idea to raise events to an LUA subsystem |
| 07:14.02 | Nom- | So when an account is closed in the billing system, it raises an ACCOUNT_CLOSED event to the LUA subsystem, and that LUA code can make business decisions |
| 07:14.48 | kahdgarxi | vtscrapcrapas |
| 07:15.08 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 07:15.15 | Shirik | night |
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| 07:19.47 | kahdgarxi | i just love it when screen craps out on me |
| 07:20.06 | kahdgarxi | and by craps out on me |
| 07:20.29 | kahdgarxi | i mean i hit ctrl+a, and some other random button whose function i have no clue about |
| 07:20.48 | kahdgarxi | making the screen wait for input, or something >_> |
| 07:21.10 | Tem|AFK | holy wow |
| 07:21.16 | Tem|AFK | I just had one HELL of a WSG |
| 07:21.23 | kahdgarxi | awesome |
| 07:24.49 | kahdgarxi | noooooo |
| 07:24.49 | kahdgarxi | lua.org is down :( |
| 07:30.33 | foxlit | Hardcoded spell localization = potential for disaster |
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| 07:38.28 | Gnarfoz | kahdgarxi: perhaps you hit ctrl+s instead |
| 07:38.42 | Gnarfoz | it's right next to a |
| 07:38.50 | kahdgarxi | possible |
| 07:38.53 | kahdgarxi | infact |
| 07:38.55 | kahdgarxi | that is what i did |
| 07:38.57 | Gnarfoz | if you type 'stty -a' |
| 07:38.59 | kahdgarxi | cause i was trying to save |
| 07:39.10 | Gnarfoz | you'll see ^S bound to 'stop' |
| 07:39.15 | Gnarfoz | and ^Q bound to 'resume' |
| 07:39.26 | kahdgarxi | ah |
| 07:39.31 | kahdgarxi | well that certainly explains it |
| 07:39.34 | Gnarfoz | so either use 'stty -whatever' to unbind those two |
| 07:39.47 | Gnarfoz | or avoid them :> |
| 07:39.54 | kahdgarxi | well that's good to know :) |
| 07:39.56 | Gnarfoz | (I unbound them, it annoys me too mcuh ^^) |
| 07:39.57 | kahdgarxi | thanks |
| 07:40.04 | kahdgarxi | that'll save me from killing many a screen session xD |
| 07:40.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah, took a while to figure this out |
| 07:41.02 | Gnarfoz | anyone using linux around here who knows if you can make this permanent? or if you have to stick it inside .bashrc (or whatever) |
| 07:47.38 | kahdgarxi | probably .screenrc or something |
| 07:58.02 | kahdgarxi | hrm |
| 07:58.09 | kahdgarxi | how does and work in lua? lua.org is down |
| 07:58.13 | kahdgarxi | if x and y then? |
| 07:58.39 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 07:58.45 | kahdgarxi | k, thanks |
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| 08:00.44 | foxlit | Did they hide a bitwise and somewhere in there too? |
| 08:01.24 | Elkano | bitlib |
| 08:02.58 | Vilkku | hello, good morning, and two questions :D |
| 08:03.09 | Vilkku | 1) is "and" &&? |
| 08:03.38 | Vilkku | 2) how can I get the duration of a specific buff? I know that you can use GetPlayerBuff and then figure out the id, but is there an easier way? |
| 08:03.49 | Vilkku | like if I want my mod to always get the duration of a specific buff |
| 08:05.34 | foxlit | and is logical and, so yes, && |
| 08:06.26 | Vilkku | any clue on the second question? :D |
| 08:06.31 | foxlit | Maybe. |
| 08:06.42 | MentalPower|WoW | foxlit: bit.band() |
| 08:06.54 | foxlit | 2. You have to iterate through GetPlayerBuff. |
| 08:07.19 | foxlit | Unfortunately, only few GetPlayerBuff* functions take the buff name, and TimeLeft isn't one of them |
| 08:07.41 | foxlit | Elkano, MentalPower: thanks :) |
| 08:09.32 | Vilkku | foxlit, this is what I had in mind... to get the duration I would use GetPlayerBuffTimeLeft, but that needs the buffIndex... so to get the Index I would use GetPlayerBuff somehow |
| 08:13.57 | Vilkku | but you're saying there is no way to get info about the buff duration if you don't know for sure what Index it will have? |
| 08:14.07 | Shirik | correct |
| 08:14.11 | Shirik | so you find the index first |
| 08:14.22 | Shirik | it's not that difficult |
| 08:15.01 | Vilkku | how would I do that? |
| 08:15.11 | Vilkku | I'm a bit new to this :P |
| 08:15.29 | Shirik | we all were once |
| 08:15.34 | Shirik | he already said how :) |
| 08:15.37 | Shirik | 04:06:54 ‹foxlit› 2. You have to iterate through GetPlayerBuff. |
| 08:17.19 | Vilkku | what kind of output does GetPlayerBuff generate? |
| 08:17.50 | foxlit | www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerBuff |
| 08:19.04 | Vilkku | maybe I'm just temporarely blind... but I don't see a way for me to find out the name of the buff there? |
| 08:19.34 | Vilkku | oh wait |
| 08:19.38 | Vilkku | damn I'm stupid |
| 08:20.09 | Vilkku | I was thinking buffId and buffIndex was the same thing >< |
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| 08:24.55 | Elkano | no |
| 08:25.08 | Elkano | you'll see when debuffs come in, too |
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| 08:33.17 | Vilkku | taking the risk of sounding stupid, I'll ask this... is the buffIndex for one specific buff always the same? |
| 08:33.51 | Shirik | always? no |
| 08:35.41 | Vilkku | so my mod should always run some code to find out the buffIndex? QQ |
| 08:41.35 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 08:47.41 | Vilkku | someone mind explaining a bit more detailed? I'm lost here |
| 08:48.14 | kahdgarxi | question: does x = nil make a variable no longer exist? |
| 08:48.22 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 08:48.27 | Shirik | for your purposes, yes |
| 08:48.32 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 08:48.43 | Shirik | I can make it a lot more complicated |
| 08:48.51 | kahdgarxi | eh |
| 08:48.54 | kahdgarxi | not right now >_> |
| 08:48.58 | kahdgarxi | trying to be productive :P |
| 08:48.58 | Shirik | but when a variable is no longer accessible, it is marked for garbage collection, in the simplest context |
| 08:48.59 | Shirik | so yes |
| 08:49.06 | kahdgarxi | ah, okay |
| 08:49.14 | kahdgarxi | and if called again, it will return nil |
| 08:49.16 | kahdgarxi | or say it doesn't exist |
| 08:49.39 | Shirik | well |
| 08:49.44 | Shirik | any variable that has not been created is nil |
| 08:50.08 | Shirik | it will never say "it doesn't exist" |
| 08:50.16 | Shirik | you don't get an error for trying to access a non-existant variable |
| 08:50.23 | Shirik | (though usually somewhere down the road it dies on you) |
| 08:52.43 | kahdgarxi | is there an event that fires only when you leave a raid? |
| 08:52.57 | Shirik | not only when you leave a raid |
| 08:53.02 | Shirik | but RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fires when that happens |
| 08:53.05 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 08:53.23 | kahdgarxi | i guess i'll just have my RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE function check if we're still in a raid, and go based off that |
| 08:53.24 | Shirik | the only case where RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE can fire, and GetNumPartyMembers() == 1 and GetNumRaidMembers() == 0 |
| 08:53.27 | Shirik | is when you just left a raid |
| 08:54.28 | kahdgarxi | i love the fact that your function calls are copy/pasteable :) |
| 08:55.59 | foxlit | kahdgarxi: CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 08:56.16 | Shirik | true but that would be called for a lot more than that :/ |
| 08:56.20 | foxlit | There's a "you've left the raid" string somewhere in FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua |
| 08:56.41 | foxlit | Always localized, always called, simple compare |
| 08:56.52 | Shirik | but |
| 08:57.00 | Shirik | you have to worry about the raid being disbanded |
| 08:57.05 | Shirik | you being kicked |
| 08:57.06 | rophy | any suggestion for a library to create a minimap icon for my mod's options? |
| 08:57.54 | foxlit | You can expand it to all that with the same method |
| 08:58.27 | Shirik | true |
| 08:58.33 | Shirik | but since you're already registering for RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE anyway... |
| 08:58.51 | foxlit | Your preference. |
| 08:59.02 | Vilkku | I'm still lost about figuring out the buffIndex =P how can I decide what buff it is when the function doesn't involve the actual name of the buff? |
| 08:59.03 | foxlit | The only weird context is switching PvP battlegrounds |
| 08:59.13 | foxlit | I usually schedule a check 2s after some sort of group change to see what happened. |
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| 09:20.18 | kahdgarxi | hmmmm |
| 09:20.27 | kahdgarxi | *ponders the design of the next part of his addon* |
| 09:20.43 | kahdgarxi | so i've got a table that i need to synchronize across the raid |
| 09:22.05 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 09:22.07 | Shirik | that will be fun |
| 09:22.21 | kahdgarxi | it won't be bad |
| 09:22.23 | Shirik | perhaps a comms library will help you |
| 09:22.31 | Shirik | I personally like to write everything myself |
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| 09:22.39 | Shirik | but the way RDX handles it is a bit... excessive perhaps |
| 09:22.55 | kahdgarxi | the table only needs to get updated when someone leaves the guild |
| 09:23.14 | Shirik | and you need to synchronize this across a raid? |
| 09:24.56 | kahdgarxi | yes |
| 09:25.01 | kahdgarxi | this is how it works |
| 09:25.57 | kahdgarxi | the loot system is jusst an ordered list, of who gets precedence for the next item |
| 09:25.57 | kahdgarxi | so, the addon keeps track of that list, and rearrangint it |
| 09:25.57 | kahdgarxi | rearranging* |
| 09:25.57 | kahdgarxi | it stores the order for the list in the guild information |
| 09:25.58 | Shirik | ok, is everyone in the raid in the guild? |
| 09:26.24 | kahdgarxi | but the list itself, the player names that go with the order, etc, are all stored locally, and are kept synchronized |
| 09:26.30 | kahdgarxi | everyone that's using the addon yes |
| 09:26.35 | Shirik | then |
| 09:26.40 | kahdgarxi | but i'd like to make it possible for people outside the guild to loot |
| 09:26.42 | Shirik | they should all get the message that the player left the guild, right? |
| 09:27.10 | kahdgarxi | leaves should have been joins :P |
| 09:27.16 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:27.23 | Shirik | still, the same theory |
| 09:27.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:27.32 | Shirik | when a new person... |
| 09:27.34 | Shirik | got it |
| 09:27.57 | kahdgarxi | i need to make a way for it to remove people |
| 09:28.00 | kahdgarxi | but... |
| 09:28.00 | Shirik | Just be careful with what you do |
| 09:28.02 | kahdgarxi | that's for another time |
| 09:28.08 | Shirik | sending too many messages at once results in kaboom |
| 09:28.14 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 09:28.42 | Shirik | RDX handles this by creating a queue, and only submitting a specific number of messages per second |
| 09:28.51 | Shirik | I forget the exact calculation |
| 09:29.03 | kahdgarxi | oh geez |
| 09:29.13 | kahdgarxi | well |
| 09:29.22 | kahdgarxi | here are the messages i'm planning on sending |
| 09:29.25 | kahdgarxi | well |
| 09:29.25 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 09:31.09 | kahdgarxi | i need to find a good time to trigger the request for a player's info |
| 09:31.47 | kahdgarxi | i'm already planning to double check before adding a new player |
| 09:31.56 | kahdgarxi | but i need it to do it when it displays the info as well |
| 09:31.59 | kahdgarxi | problem is |
| 09:32.23 | kahdgarxi | it displays the info in the item tooltip whenever you mouseover an item in the loot window or click on an item link in chat |
| 09:33.38 | kahdgarxi | and the other thing is |
| 09:33.53 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 09:35.09 | kahdgarxi | i need to make sure that EVERYBODY isn't replying with the info |
| 09:36.38 | foxlit | Don't ask everybody, then |
| 09:37.06 | kahdgarxi | i have to ask someone that knows |
| 09:37.12 | kahdgarxi | and i don't know who knows |
| 09:37.58 | kahdgarxi | i suppose i could just ask everyone in the guild one by one |
| 09:38.01 | kahdgarxi | and wait for a response |
| 09:38.04 | kahdgarxi | how would i wait though? |
| 09:38.51 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 09:38.54 | foxlit | guild-only? |
| 09:39.10 | kahdgarxi | well, guild and/or raid |
| 09:39.23 | kahdgarxi | i'd like it to work outside of raids though |
| 09:39.59 | kahdgarxi | i plan on making people outside the guild able to loot, but unable to run the addon |
| 09:40.28 | kahdgarxi | if for no other reason then that the order is saved in the guild information |
| 09:40.49 | foxlit | Send version of addon to SAM/GUILD on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 09:41.06 | foxlit | Make other people running the addon respond with their version in SAM/GUILD |
| 09:41.29 | foxlit | That way, everyone knows who is running the addon, and the hailstorm of messages only happens when someone with the addon logs on |
| 09:41.50 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 09:43.11 | kahdgarxi | i suppose then i could have the addon broadcast a message whenever you add a new player to the list |
| 09:43.19 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 09:43.35 | kahdgarxi | the way i'm planning to write this, it would be very easy to mess up if you wanted to |
| 09:43.38 | kahdgarxi | then again |
| 09:43.44 | kahdgarxi | i bet a lot of addons are like that |
| 09:43.47 | kahdgarxi | if you took the time to read them |
| 09:44.15 | Shirik | this is true |
| 09:44.33 | Shirik | you can tell damage meters, with a single line, that you did 1m damage that fight, and then broadcast that during the sync time easily |
| 09:44.34 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.37 | kahdgarxi | and the world explodes |
| 09:44.58 | Shirik | and this is why you can't do some things |
| 09:45.19 | Shirik | others you have to be careful with |
| 09:45.25 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 09:45.37 | foxlit | And I'd flag you on sync for being ~0.7m off from everyone else, and ask you what you've been doing! |
| 09:45.52 | kahdgarxi | hahaha |
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| 09:46.22 | foxlit | Wonder if DM overwrites it's own data while syncing? |
| 09:46.41 | Shirik | kinda |
| 09:46.45 | Shirik | it takes the highest value |
| 09:46.49 | foxlit | i.e. if I said sync, then said I did 2m damage, would people who didn't communicate about me then also say 2m? |
| 09:46.54 | foxlit | ^ (yet) |
| 09:47.10 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:47.16 | Shirik | no I think it should keep yours |
| 09:47.22 | foxlit | Or is it only merged when sync is complete. |
| 09:47.40 | Shirik | during the sync, from what I understand, it overwrites your values if the incoming value is higher |
| 09:47.43 | Shirik | character-by-character |
| 09:48.05 | foxlit | So, scenario: A thinks C did 500, C thinks C did 2000, B thinks C did 500 |
| 09:48.17 | Shirik | C wins |
| 09:48.23 | foxlit | Not quite the point |
| 09:48.34 | Shirik | confused then |
| 09:48.36 | foxlit | A: sync. | A: C did 500 | C: C did 2000! | B: C did (500|2000)? |
| 09:49.05 | Shirik | well the events can't happen at the same time... the addon will handle one incoming message at a time |
| 09:49.14 | Shirik | Let's say A thinks C did 500, C thinks 2000, B thinks 200 |
| 09:49.20 | Shirik | A and C both send their messages |
| 09:49.27 | Shirik | B receives 500 first, so updates its 200 to 500 |
| 09:49.36 | Shirik | then receives the 2000, updating the 500 to 2000 |
| 09:49.37 | foxlit | See, that's the step I was wondering about. |
| 09:49.46 | Shirik | if it received the 2000 first |
| 09:49.50 | Shirik | it updates 200 to 2000 |
| 09:49.55 | Shirik | then receives the 500 and ignores it |
| 09:50.11 | foxlit | It can also be: "B creates a temporary table for incoming sync data. B populates it with own data first, then merges sync data into it. When sync is finished, B replaces own table with sync data" |
| 09:50.29 | foxlit | That way, what B syncs isn't compromised by what other people send. |
| 09:50.42 | Shirik | well this would be a good way to do it :) |
| 09:50.47 | Shirik | unfortunately it's not how it's design |
| 09:50.54 | nuoHep | gotta write a patch for sw_stats for my guild's hunters... |
| 09:51.15 | foxlit | Downloaded SW_Stats a week or so ago... junk. |
| 09:51.20 | Shirik | ouch |
| 09:51.27 | foxlit | Inability to reset local data is just too much. |
| 09:51.49 | foxlit | Lack of any obvious per-fight stats isn't great either :/ |
| 09:52.51 | kahdgarxi | ! |
| 09:52.53 | kahdgarxi | I know! |
| 09:53.26 | kahdgarxi | whenever GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE fires, everybody will check to make sure they have a name for every id there |
| 09:53.30 | kahdgarxi | and ask about it if they don't |
| 09:53.43 | Shirik | :) |
| 09:54.09 | kahdgarxi | now i just have to figure out the asking about it part >_< |
| 09:54.32 | nuoHep | foxlit, well. i dont use neither sw_stats nor dm. but our hunters always wine their dmg is too low. and our guild use sw_stats mostly. so... |
| 09:54.48 | Shirik | lol. |
| 09:55.02 | Shirik | changing damage meters isn't going to help them with that |
| 09:55.05 | foxlit | Haha |
| 09:55.11 | Shirik | their problem is the default combat log distance radius is 35yd |
| 09:55.18 | Shirik | and most (good) hunters stand at 41 |
| 09:55.28 | Shirik | So, increase your combat log distance... |
| 09:55.30 | Shirik | that's what I do |
| 09:55.46 | Gnarfoz | you can't anymore, anyway |
| 09:55.49 | Shirik | in fact, RDX allows you to adjust the radius on a slider now |
| 09:55.53 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 09:55.57 | Gnarfoz | was fixed |
| 09:56.03 | Shirik | seems to work for me |
| 09:56.36 | Gnarfoz | last I heard you can change the vars to whatever you like, but the game ignores it since a while back |
| 09:56.45 | foxlit | So, question. |
| 09:56.46 | Shirik | hmm, I'll have to look at that |
| 09:56.58 | foxlit | Adjusting scale (:SetScale()) seems to move objects towards origin |
| 09:57.18 | foxlit | Or not; top left corner |
| 09:57.22 | foxlit | Can I avoid that? |
| 09:57.28 | Shirik | You have to do some math |
| 09:57.46 | Shirik | when changing the scale you'll need to adjust the point |
| 09:57.47 | Shirik | or...... |
| 09:57.52 | Shirik | (this is kinda hackish) |
| 09:58.06 | Shirik | create an invisible frame where you want it to be. Don't change the scale on that. Anchor your frame to that frame |
| 09:58.11 | Shirik | and change the scale of your frame |
| 09:58.20 | foxlit | User-movable frame being scaled, though |
| 09:58.33 | Shirik | ok, have them move the invisible frame |
| 09:58.59 | kahdgarxi | hmm... |
| 10:00.47 | Shirik | damn |
| 10:00.56 | Shirik | if that's true, I have to put work into syncing boss mods again -_- |
| 10:01.02 | Shirik | I was beginning to ignore that |
| 10:02.20 | kahdgarxi | console* |
| 10:04.39 | kahdgarxi | *sigh* |
| 10:04.52 | kahdgarxi | i still have to debug my order rearrainging function >_< |
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| 10:07.10 | kahdgarxi | it's just maddening how many situations i have to account for |
| 10:07.16 | kahdgarxi | it seems simple enough |
| 10:07.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:07.35 | kahdgarxi | move the looter to the bottom of the list, and move everyone eles up, except the people that aren't in the raid |
| 10:07.37 | Shirik | you have no idea :P |
| 10:12.39 | kahdgarxi | i really need to get this thing straightened out too, before i get too much further |
| 10:15.01 | JunkHead-Work | Urgh... |
| 10:16.01 | kahdgarxi | is anything that isn't nil, false, or 0 considered true? |
| 10:16.15 | foxlit | 0 is true. |
| 10:16.26 | kahdgarxi | it is? |
| 10:16.28 | kahdgarxi | drat |
| 10:16.45 | kahdgarxi | had to add two characters to my code |
| 10:16.46 | kahdgarxi | QQ |
| 10:21.35 | kahdgarxi | you know the best thing about DevTools |
| 10:21.38 | kahdgarxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.55 | AnduinLothar | Woot! My first TBC Exalted: Lower City |
| 10:31.19 | kahdgarxi | grats |
| 10:31.30 | kahdgarxi | i'm revered with a ton of factions |
| 10:31.32 | kahdgarxi | exalted with none |
| 10:31.55 | AnduinLothar | yeah i have all my keys, but this is the first exalted |
| 10:32.06 | Mikma | i'm only exalted with 2 places :P Stormwind and Zandalar |
| 10:33.12 | kahdgarxi | it would be nice id DevTools had a feature to enable spamming of SAM's |
| 10:33.27 | Shirik | SAM? |
| 10:33.36 | kahdgarxi | (as in, display them in the chat window/it's own frame) |
| 10:33.39 | kahdgarxi | SendAddonMessage() |
| 10:33.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:34.13 | AnduinLothar | think Satelitte debug does that |
| 10:34.21 | Shirik | just hook SendAddonMessage |
| 10:34.26 | Shirik | you can do it in a line |
| 10:34.41 | Shirik | well I guess you can do anything in a line in lua |
| 10:34.47 | kahdgarxi | haha |
| 10:34.48 | AnduinLothar | that only gets outgoing tho |
| 10:34.54 | Shirik | ah true |
| 10:34.59 | Shirik | sorry, it's 6:40 |
| 10:35.01 | Shirik | I need to go to sleep |
| 10:35.07 | kahdgarxi | i just need to do an OnEvent for the addon message event |
| 10:35.09 | kahdgarxi | lol |
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| 11:14.01 | kahdgarxi | for SAM |
| 11:14.10 | kahdgarxi | does the prefix have to match your addon in order to work? |
| 11:14.16 | kahdgarxi | and if so |
| 11:14.21 | kahdgarxi | what exactly about your addon does it have to match? |
| 11:16.11 | Shirik | The prefix is only to help addons avoid conflicts |
| 11:16.21 | Shirik | that way two addons can both send the same message, but with a different prefix |
| 11:16.33 | Shirik | you should check the prefix every time you receive a message to make sure it is intended for your addon |
| 11:16.56 | kahdgarxi | hur |
| 11:17.06 | Shirik | there is no restriction on what you must use as the prefix; most just use some kind of abbreviation |
| 11:17.12 | Shirik | lol. |
| 11:17.14 | Shirik | on that note... |
| 11:17.28 | kahdgarxi | later |
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| 11:37.22 | Nom- | *sigh* stupid connection dropouts |
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| 11:40.24 | kahdgarxi | Nom: :( |
| 11:44.50 | Nom | dropouts ftl :( |
| 11:44.55 | Nom | what i miss? |
| 11:46.39 | kahdgarxi | just me frowning at you getting kicked |
| 11:50.04 | kahdgarxi | is this a valid comparison? |
| 11:50.15 | kahdgarxi | if UHLS_Players != {} then end |
| 11:51.43 | Nom | possibly? :) |
| 11:51.48 | kahdgarxi | heheh |
| 11:51.51 | Nom | i'm not sure |
| 11:51.57 | Nom | not *really* an LUA programmer |
| 11:52.02 | Nom | Just hang in here for the chix |
| 11:52.07 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 11:52.13 | kahdgarxi | i think you need to find a better venue :P |
| 11:54.16 | haste | kahdgarxi: {} will create a new table, which has a different hash |
| 11:55.32 | kahdgarxi | ok |
| 11:55.43 | kahdgarxi | thanks |
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| 12:24.10 | kahdgarxi | omg |
| 12:24.13 | kahdgarxi | i love corel cache |
| 12:24.48 | guuy_ | lol |
| 12:24.56 | kahdgarxi | lua.org is down |
| 12:25.58 | guuy_ | Hey can someone help me out? |
| 12:26.10 | guuy_ | I'm kind of a noob to ui scripting |
| 12:26.22 | guuy_ | but i tried making my first addon |
| 12:26.29 | guuy_ | probably needless to say, it didn't work |
| 12:26.48 | guuy_ | I wrote on the wow UI forums, and they helped me out a lot, but it still will not work. |
| 12:26.49 | kahdgarxi | heh |
| 12:26.55 | kahdgarxi | you have to take very, very small steps |
| 12:27.03 | guuy_ | lol |
| 12:27.16 | guuy_ | I tried making a shadow word death addon >< |
| 12:27.22 | kahdgarxi | the first time my addon loaded up without giving an error, i was thrilled |
| 12:27.38 | guuy_ | but using the mobinfo2 variable instead of target.curhealth or w/e |
| 12:27.51 | guuy_ | I got it to load without an error, but it still will not work. |
| 12:28.32 | kahdgarxi | what's the addon do? |
| 12:28.41 | kahdgarxi | popup a message when they're at low health or something? |
| 12:28.47 | guuy_ | eh |
| 12:28.53 | guuy_ | more of just like a scrolling combat text thing |
| 12:29.15 | guuy_ | I was just going to have it post the word DEATH! in the chat log, and have SCT search for the text DEATH! to popup an alert |
| 12:29.39 | guuy_ | because it's really easy just to edit SCT.lua, and down at the end you can edit things to search for |
| 12:29.46 | guuy_ | to do that |
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| 12:29.59 | guuy_ | I'm at school right now, so i can't give you a direct link |
| 12:30.10 | guuy_ | but if you search the ui and macro forum, search for the title |
| 12:30.16 | guuy_ | if constant > variable |
| 12:30.19 | guuy_ | that's the title |
| 12:30.21 | guuy_ | started by |
| 12:30.23 | guuy_ | shadowdwrath |
| 12:31.33 | JoshBorke | what isn't working? |
| 12:31.44 | guuy_ | It will start up without an error |
| 12:31.54 | guuy_ | but then nothing happens either |
| 12:32.09 | guuy_ | it's just like it was never loaded at all |
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| 12:35.33 | JoshBorke | oh dear, cide needs to update on wowi |
| 12:36.16 | guuy_ | like i said i don'/t have a direct link to the problem because i'm at school and wow.com is blocked |
| 12:37.30 | JoshBorke | i would recommend putting in a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hey! I loaded") and seeing if that shows up |
| 12:39.34 | sysrage | damn i feel like shit today |
| 12:39.39 | sysrage | bah. typing in wrong window too |
| 12:39.59 | JoshBorke | purl, comfort sysrage |
| 12:40.30 | purl | There, there, sysrage. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:40.30 | sysrage | even the bot hates me today :( |
| 12:41.59 | guuy_ | alright |
| 12:42.32 | guuy_ | i'll try that |
| 12:43.15 | kahdgarxi | is there a more efficient way to rename a table's um.. whatever they're called... sub...table... (it's late >_<) without copying it? |
| 12:43.57 | guuy_ | Should i add that to the event? |
| 12:44.05 | kahdgarxi | i know i can do table["newname"] = table[1] table[1]=nil |
| 12:44.05 | guuy_ | the event onload or whatever |
| 12:44.21 | kahdgarxi | but it seems like there should be a more efficient way to do it |
| 12:44.36 | Kaso | kahdgarxi that isnt a "copy" per se |
| 12:44.52 | kahdgarxi | Kaso: It's not? |
| 12:45.03 | kahdgarxi | Okay then.. |
| 12:45.30 | Kaso | Well, as far as i understand it (waits for someone to call me stupid) you're just chaning the pointer that points to the data |
| 12:45.42 | Kaso | the data itself doesnt move |
| 12:46.43 | Kaso | if you just did table[2] = table[1] |
| 12:47.01 | Kaso | then table[1] and table[2] reference the same table |
| 12:47.11 | JoshBorke | correct kaso |
| 12:47.13 | JoshBorke | guuy_: yes |
| 12:47.53 | guuy_ | thanks josh |
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| 12:54.18 | Vangual | is there a certain naming scheme that one must use when creating new (Secure)ActionButton frames? |
| 12:55.25 | Kaso | Not that i know of, why? |
| 12:56.31 | Vangual | seeing weird behaviour of them stealing other addons keybindings and other things |
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| 12:57.46 | zenzelezz | I remember a time when I actually liked spring |
| 12:57.58 | zenzelezz | then it decided to hate me and made me allergic x.x |
| 12:58.57 | Kaso | Vangual cant say i know sorry |
| 13:01.18 | JoshBorke | are you setting the ID vangual? |
| 13:03.01 | Vangual | not that I' aware of. simply giving them a name and a parent. what function/parameter would that be? |
| 13:03.14 | foxlit | :SetID() afterwards |
| 13:03.34 | Vangual | that i definitely don't do. lemme read into that function |
| 13:03.47 | foxlit | You don't actually need it |
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| 13:08.08 | asdg | can someone point me in the direction of a basic guide. I've read all the ones i can put my hands on but i'm still a noob!! |
| 13:09.39 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 13:09.55 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 13:09.55 | Kaso | ~pil |
| 13:09.57 | purl | from memory, pil is Programming in Lua, available as both a paperback book and an online version of the same book available at http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 13:09.57 | Kaso | (do we have a pil on purl?) |
| 13:10.03 | Kaso | there we go! |
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| 13:10.43 | asdg | thanks |
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| 13:11.04 | asdg | is purl a bot? |
| 13:11.09 | sysrage | no |
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| 13:11.22 | asdg | oh |
| 13:11.35 | haste | it is |
| 13:11.43 | Kaso | ~botsnack |
| 13:11.43 | purl | thanks, Kaso |
| 13:11.51 | asdg | lol |
| 13:11.56 | sysrage | wrong. somebody sits there all day long typing responses to ~ commands |
| 13:12.01 | Kaso | haha |
| 13:12.05 | Kaso | thats why he's slow some times |
| 13:14.42 | Kaso | umm, my mind is blank.. how would i convert a 1-255 color value to hex.. |
| 13:15.02 | Kaso | ah string.format |
| 13:15.03 | Kaso | ofc |
| 13:15.37 | Kaso | see half the time when i ask questions here i work it out myself like 10sec later |
| 13:15.45 | Kaso | something about seeing it written down helps. |
| 13:16.14 | asdg | haha |
| 13:16.16 | asdg | nice |
| 13:16.20 | asdg | same happens to me a lot |
| 13:16.27 | kahdgarxi | != in lua is ~=, right? |
| 13:16.47 | Kaso | correct |
| 13:17.18 | kahdgarxi | Thanks. |
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| 13:21.14 | Kaso | What was that quote we had in the topic once, along the lines of "welcome to lua, 0 is true, != is ~=" or something |
| 13:21.22 | Kaso | am i just imagening this |
| 13:23.06 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 13:23.23 | Kaso | perhaps it was an iriel quote |
| 13:23.37 | JoshBorke | you lose your shadowfiend if you MC while it is out |
| 13:24.17 | Kaso | Pssh! and the told me that i was silly for worrying about that! |
| 13:24.54 | Kaso | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=285089518&postId=2848643615&sid=1#8 |
| 13:24.54 | Kaso | ! |
| 13:26.15 | JoshBorke | Kaso: i remember that topic |
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| 13:26.16 | JoshBorke | Kaso: you should go ahead and mention that |
| 13:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man: http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/HaklePrime/WoWScrnShot_043007_070656.jpg |
| 13:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't wait for 2.1 |
| 13:26.16 | Kaso | its not a huge concern to me really, im just extactic at being able to control my shadowfiend |
| 13:26.16 | Kaso | hate it when he runs after shackled mobs |
| 13:26.18 | Kaso | which then come and kill me |
| 13:26.26 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 13:29.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | treants are uncontrollable too |
| 13:29.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 13:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had my treants sitting in arenas just standing there while i get wailed on |
| 13:30.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes me angry, glad i'm usually feral |
| 13:30.11 | kahdgarxi | you can't actually control your shadowfiend can you |
| 13:30.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | but on the ptr, they make me angry |
| 13:30.17 | kahdgarxi | i thought it was just a little smarter |
| 13:30.27 | Kaso | kahdgarxi on ptr its got a full on pet bar |
| 13:30.37 | kahdgarxi | kaso: hot |
| 13:30.45 | Kaso | are treants targetted or not Mr_Rabies ? |
| 13:30.47 | kahdgarxi | <-- Priest |
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| 13:30.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | what, kaso? |
| 13:31.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah, they're cast like an aoe |
| 13:31.06 | Kaso | ok |
| 13:31.17 | Kaso | Shadowfiend its supposed to be targetted on a single target |
| 13:31.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | press button, get the little red or green circle, and hope they actually attack something |
| 13:31.30 | Kaso | but it often ignores that and runs after sheeped/shackled movs |
| 13:32.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, click the circle where you want it |
| 13:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty dumb, i should just be able to summon them and be able to at least set them to stay, follow, attack, passive, agressive, or defensive if they're not gonna get any special abilities |
| 13:35.10 | Kaso | That what theyve given to priests, but i guess the fact theres more than one makes the code more complicate for yours |
| 13:35.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | be nifty if instead of giving moonkin a stupid melee->mana ratio |
| 13:35.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | they gave them a chance on hit to restore mana |
| 13:35.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, them being treants |
| 13:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and gave moonkin a passive mana regen aura on top of the crit in moonkin aura |
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| 13:36.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe like 5 mp5 or something minor |
| 13:36.43 | Kaso | I think giving the treants active mana regen would be a little overpowered, i mean innervate, treants, you'd never run out of mana |
| 13:37.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 13:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 min cooldown |
| 13:37.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus a moonkin druid won't have much spirit |
| 13:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and treants cost like 300 mana to cast |
| 13:39.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | a 5-10% chance on hit to regen x mana based on the treants' attack damage would be very useful |
| 13:40.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | say, 100% of their attack damage since they only hit for like, 100 or so |
| 13:42.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | or maybe a chance on hit to heal the caster |
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| 13:52.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Storytime! http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/04/rendezvous.html |
| 13:52.29 | cogwheel | there was a Wii shipment this weekend... =D |
| 13:56.59 | kahdgarxi | is if a == ( b or c ) valid? |
| 13:57.29 | cogwheel | yes |
| 13:57.38 | kahdgarxi | sweet |
| 13:57.51 | cogwheel | because 'or' evaluates to either b or c |
| 13:58.18 | cogwheel | but it might not mean what you think it means |
| 13:58.32 | kahdgarxi | well |
| 13:58.45 | kahdgarxi | will it evealuate true if a is equal to either b or c? |
| 13:58.49 | cogwheel | it doesn't mean if a == b or a == c |
| 13:58.54 | kahdgarxi | ah |
| 13:58.57 | kahdgarxi | what does it mean then? |
| 13:59.14 | cogwheel | if a == (the result from or'ing b & c) |
| 13:59.22 | kahdgarxi | ah |
| 13:59.23 | nevcairiel | if b ~= nil then return a==b else return a==c |
| 13:59.52 | kahdgarxi | good thing i asked |
| 13:59.53 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 13:59.56 | cogwheel | or more correctly: if b then return a == b else return a == c |
| 14:00.08 | nevcairiel | thats the same thing! |
| 14:00.16 | cogwheel | b == false ~= b == nil |
| 14:00.48 | nevcairiel | right, i forgot about false :D |
| 14:00.49 | cogwheel | (if b ~= nil doesn't check for false...) |
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| 14:08.44 | kahdgarxi | i feel so ashamed for doing this |
| 14:08.57 | Kaso | hU? |
| 14:08.57 | kahdgarxi | hardcoding names into my addon, just to get it working for the time being |
| 14:08.58 | kahdgarxi | >_< |
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| 14:31.22 | kahdgarxi | http://wowi.pastey.net/19577 |
| 14:31.26 | kahdgarxi | what's wrong with that? |
| 14:31.38 | kahdgarxi | (other than the fact that it's a horrible hack) |
| 14:31.46 | kahdgarxi | i keep getting syntax errors |
| 14:32.23 | foxlit | You're missing an end |
| 14:32.29 | foxlit | and sender ~= "Unbreakabull" sender ~= "Negath" then |
| 14:32.37 | kahdgarxi | yeah, just found it |
| 14:32.46 | kahdgarxi | >_< |
| 14:33.16 | Kaso | a better way to do that would be to have a table indexed by the players names |
| 14:33.32 | Kaso | t={["Fred"]=true,["Bill"]=true} |
| 14:33.46 | Kaso | then do if t[sender] then |
| 14:33.56 | kahdgarxi | clever |
| 14:34.43 | Kaso | or in this case |
| 14:34.49 | Kaso | if not t[sender] then |
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| 14:37.12 | kahdgarxi | what's a pattern usable by string.gmatch that will match any number of any characters that aren't whitespace? |
| 14:38.15 | Kaso | %S+ |
| 14:38.27 | kahdgarxi | ty |
| 14:38.38 | kahdgarxi | is there a reference for that somewhere? |
| 14:38.47 | Kaso | lua tech manual 5.4.1 |
| 14:38.53 | Kaso | ~luai |
| 14:39.13 | Kaso | no luai on purl :< |
| 14:39.47 | Kaso | (you can tell i have to look up patterns alot seeing as i have the section of the lua manual its in memoried |
| 14:39.55 | kahdgarxi | there it is |
| 14:40.05 | Kaso | http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/5.4.1+Patterns |
| 14:40.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh awesome, the BBC's iPlayer has been given the green light |
| 14:40.40 | Kirkburn|afk | (downloadable BBC progs!) |
| 14:40.55 | Kaso | %S+ represents "1 or more not space charaters, capturing longest match possible" |
| 14:41.01 | Kaso | Kirkburn|afk: thats pretty awesome |
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| 14:48.15 | kahdgarxi | thanks Kaso |
| 14:49.33 | kahdgarxi | i swear, i'm end deficent |
| 14:49.37 | kahdgarxi | i always forget them >_< |
| 14:49.51 | kahdgarxi | at least the interpreter errors are useful |
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| 14:52.00 | foxlit | Get an editor with indentation? |
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| 14:54.21 | kahdgarxi | i have one |
| 14:54.24 | kahdgarxi | i'm just a noob |
| 14:56.10 | zenzelezz | <kahdgarxi> i swear, i'm end deficent <-- I find the easy solution to be to type the "end" as soon as you create a block that requires one, then inserting whatever goes in-between |
| 14:56.44 | kahdgarxi | zenzelezz: i try to do that, it helps |
| 15:08.35 | TC-Working | ehh....monday morning mood.... |
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| 15:52.57 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 15:59.14 | Industrial | kahdgarxi: or just have auto indent on :S? |
| 15:59.21 | Industrial | and higlighting |
| 15:59.26 | zenzelezz | I really wish there was a global general chat, so people could spam there instead of on trade |
| 15:59.38 | Industrial | I wish people wouldnt spam |
| 16:00.23 | zenzelezz | I try to be realistic |
| 16:03.34 | cogwheel|work | Maldivia: agreed |
| 16:03.43 | Maldivia | cogwheel: heh |
| 16:03.58 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: you mean the looking for group channel (RIP) ? |
| 16:04.19 | zenzelezz | no, I mean a general channel |
| 16:04.38 | Maldivia | well, didn't it become a general channel pretty fast? |
| 16:04.47 | zenzelezz | not on my server |
| 16:05.41 | Maldivia | on my server, it was global general, with a 10 sec cooldown |
| 16:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, that's awesome. The AV trinket doesn't break the Mage invis. |
| 16:07.22 | Industrial | atm trade is the new LFG |
| 16:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Pop invis, recall. |
| 16:09.08 | Maldivia | cute... |
| 16:13.40 | Maldivia | SB, have you tested the new AM on PTR ? |
| 16:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 16:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | All of my addons are far too simple |
| 16:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Minor things like 2.0 didn't even break them ;) |
| 16:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | So I don't have that much desire to patch up and try it out |
| 16:15.59 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 16:16.01 | zenzelezz | the "AM"? |
| 16:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Arcane Missiles |
| 16:16.18 | zenzelezz | they're changed? |
| 16:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Supposedly fixed for good |
| 16:16.30 | Maldivia | apparently they gimped it, so if you go out of range, it stops casting :| |
| 16:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 16:16.55 | Maldivia | I loved the old bug, with no range checking on AM :) |
| 16:16.57 | zenzelezz | they were/are bugged in more ways? (I only play a warrior) |
| 16:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It used to be a spell worth casting in PvP, but not anymore |
| 16:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It would only channel some of the missiles |
| 16:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even fire off any |
| 16:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Inconsistent rate of fire |
| 16:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Charge you full mana! |
| 16:17.30 | Maldivia | SB: yeah, 5point in arcane, and AM rocked for PvP |
| 16:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | But... no do much.. |
| 16:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia, and finishing off runners. |
| 16:17.45 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 16:18.23 | Maldivia | but I loved it for a low-lofe rogue, trying to finish me :Æ) |
| 16:18.28 | Kaso | Wasnt it possible to bind macro text to a keybinding with 2.0? |
| 16:18.33 | Maldivia | and if the instants were on CD |
| 16:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, yeah |
| 16:18.36 | zenzelezz | low-loaf rogue? |
| 16:18.42 | Maldivia | low-life |
| 16:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | How are you specced? (curious) |
| 16:19.17 | Maldivia | my mage is frost/arcane at the moment |
| 16:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 16:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 1/57/3 here |
| 16:19.54 | Maldivia | haven't really played him much lately though, mostly just use him for tailoring, making the 4d CDs |
| 16:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've made... a single primal mooncloth |
| 16:20.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm spellfire.. |
| 16:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Sbo if you care |
| 16:20.28 | Maldivia | heh |
| 16:21.00 | Maldivia | well, haven't really plyed my mage since Feb 5th, so you can guess the gear and rep :9 |
| 16:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I am somewhat undergeared, but I'm working on it |
| 16:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | So your mage isn't even in the armory then |
| 16:21.35 | Maldivia | well, yeah - since I've logged on to make cloth |
| 16:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, that's right |
| 16:22.51 | Maldivia | I think I'm still specced my mage, for some spell tests I did for a friend, who wanted some data for a spell damage calculator he was making |
| 16:23.31 | Maldivia | started levelling a priest instead |
| 16:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a complete mage addict |
| 16:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I have a druid at 45 - herb/alch |
| 16:23.56 | Maldivia | well, I've beeen playing a mage since US release, so... |
| 16:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, nice |
| 16:24.20 | Maldivia | levelled a US and an EU mage |
| 16:24.27 | Maldivia | and levelling a EU priest at the moment |
| 16:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I hope you're east coast |
| 16:25.20 | Maldivia | I live in Europe (Denmark to be more precise) |
| 16:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 16:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's "east coast" enough ;) |
| 16:25.38 | Maldivia | http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Maldivia |
| 16:25.40 | Maldivia | for my mage |
| 16:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You've got more +frost on you than I do +dmg (and I only stack +dmg) |
| 16:26.42 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 16:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting build too |
| 16:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ wait a minute |
| 16:27.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Wand spec? |
| 16:27.53 | Maldivia | dont mind the wand |
| 16:28.08 | Maldivia | I had just respecced my priest, when I did that |
| 16:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o |
| 16:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, *everything* else looks just fine |
| 16:28.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But then I really saw wand spec, lol |
| 16:28.58 | Maldivia | I know, it was a mis click, but didn't want to waste gold on another respec, since I don't use him much |
| 16:29.07 | zenzelezz | it puts the points in wand spec or it gets the hose |
| 16:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't blame you then |
| 16:30.21 | Maldivia | I'll probably respec in a few months, when the rate is down to 5g :) |
| 16:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 16:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I've only "respecced" twice |
| 16:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Once when I first hit 60, to fix my mistakes |
| 16:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Once months later, when one night I went crazy and respecced frost |
| 16:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Woke up the next morning and really wondered wtf I was thinking |
| 16:31.23 | Maldivia | I like frost, been frost since february 2005 :) |
| 16:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I just like fire's random abilities |
| 16:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing like throwing a scorch and then a fireball |
| 16:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And the target having... four debuffs |
| 16:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (I've managed to stunlock a rogue *once*) |
| 16:32.10 | Maldivia | frostbite + ice lance! |
| 16:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's always nice |
| 16:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I've crit an ice lance for 1700 before ;) |
| 16:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Molten Fury + FN |
| 16:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | = good times |
| 16:43.11 | Maldivia | hmm, think it's time for some dinner |
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| 16:55.44 | Industrial | >>> a={} a:insert('foo') |
| 16:55.50 | Industrial | :( no Cide? |
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| 16:56.09 | Industrial | would that work, btw? :P |
| 16:56.34 | Gnarfoz | > print("a"); |
| 16:56.50 | Gnarfoz | hrm, shirik disabled his |
| 16:56.59 | Industrial | ~lart Shirik|zZz |
| 16:56.59 | purl | decapitates Shirik|zZz conan the destroyer style |
| 16:57.15 | Stigsen | http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mostlysane/wowinterface.jpg I'm searching for the clock he has, replacing the normal "suN" thingy. Anyone able to help me with a name? |
| 16:57.28 | Industrial | I need a lua interpreter - but im on windows :P |
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| 16:58.33 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: http://luabinaries.luaforge.net/download.html ? |
| 17:00.25 | Industrial | the problem is that im afraid of large IDE's and the windows commandline :P |
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| 17:03.59 | Kaso | Well DM north is broken and sucky |
| 17:04.03 | Kaso | Cant get my beatdown :< |
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| 17:32.19 | EArmbrust | i'm trying to use SetPortraitToTexture to place a portrait on a frame, does anyone have any suggestions, or a link to some detailed information on using SetPortraitToTexture and getglobal? |
| 17:33.49 | EArmbrust | specifically, i'm trying to create a frame and set the portrait as it's texture |
| 17:34.26 | zenzelezz | do you mean SetPortraitToTexture or SetPortraitTexture? |
| 17:35.36 | foxlit | Frames, by default, don't have textures |
| 17:35.59 | EArmbrust | SetPortraitToTexture, i believe...i think i got the two straight. SetPortraitToTexture creates a texture from the given "unit"'s portrait, correct? |
| 17:36.21 | EArmbrust | right, i want to give it a texture from, what i believe to be correct, SetPortraitToTexture |
| 17:36.44 | EArmbrust | basically, I'm trying to to accomplish something similar to when you open the LFG window and it shows your portrait in the upper left corner |
| 17:36.51 | EArmbrust | s/to to/to |
| 17:37.54 | foxlit | Create a separate texture first, then call SetPortraitTexture(texture, "player") |
| 17:38.32 | EArmbrust | i'm doing something like local texture = getglobal("MainFrame".."SubFrame".."Texture"); |
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| 17:38.47 | EArmbrust | i'm guessing that's completely wrong now, though |
| 17:41.51 | zenzelezz | why are you doing that? |
| 17:41.56 | zenzelezz | if you already know the names |
| 17:42.20 | EArmbrust | I don't know hehe I seriously *just* started messing with the API today |
| 17:42.56 | EArmbrust | I've read through a lot of the API doc on wow wiki, but the examples are few and far between for more than anything beyond the function calls themselves |
| 17:43.28 | EArmbrust | not that it's poorly documented, i just am a bit too unlearned in the API to understand other addons |
| 17:43.35 | EArmbrust | their code, that is |
| 17:45.06 | EArmbrust | I haven't explicitly created a texture on SubFrame...I'll look at creating textures if I can find the info |
| 17:47.57 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/19631 |
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| 17:54.48 | chuckg | Does .- not match [ ]'s brackets? |
| 17:54.55 | Nom_ | FINALLY! |
| 17:55.00 | EArmbrust- | thank you very much foxlit, that explains quite a bit |
| 17:55.10 | Nom_ | First fill clear of Karazhan (not counting summoned boss) |
| 17:55.12 | cogwheel|work | no reason it wouldn't unless your surrounding conditions eliminate them |
| 17:55.16 | EArmbrust- | sorry i d/c'ed, laptop lost signal |
| 17:55.26 | Nom_ | nite guys :P |
| 17:58.09 | cogwheel|work | chuckg: .- won't match anything unless you put something "around" it... |
| 17:58.15 | chuckg | I know that ;) |
| 17:58.22 | chuckg | We're back to another problem zone w/ my copy and paste. |
| 17:58.22 | chuckg | local str = "|Hplayer:Foot[Foot]|h |cffFFFFFF[|rSTRIPME|cffFFFFFF]|r: Hello friends, this |cffFFFFFFstrip works|r."; str = string_gsub(str, "^(|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x(.-)|r)", function (full, text) if not string_match(text, "^|H.-|h$") then return text end end) |
| 17:58.29 | chuckg | >>> local str = "|Hplayer:Foot[Foot]|h |cffFFFFFF[|rSTRIPME|cffFFFFFF]|r: Hello friends, this |cffFFFFFFstrip works|r."; str = string_gsub(str, "^(|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x(.-)|r)", function (full, text) if not string_match(text, "^|H.-|h$") then return text end end) |
| 17:58.34 | chuckg | Cide nooooooooooooo! |
| 17:58.49 | Kaso | just grab alua binary |
| 17:58.51 | chuckg | The STRIPME isn't getting stripped. |
| 17:58.53 | Kaso | one on wowi |
| 17:58.58 | chuckg | :( |
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| 18:01.22 | Kaso | well first string_gsub isnt a function |
| 18:01.30 | chuckg | It's a local in my file. |
| 18:02.03 | Kaso | ah good |
| 18:02.06 | pastamancer | since when is "|Hplayer:Foot[Foot]|h" valid? |
| 18:02.11 | chuckg | I just made that up. |
| 18:02.17 | chuckg | It's irrelevant. |
| 18:02.24 | pastamancer | also |
| 18:02.26 | chuckg | The STRIPME isn't getting stripped though. |
| 18:02.38 | chuckg | As per our session last week :) |
| 18:02.57 | pastamancer | hm |
| 18:03.10 | Kaso | you have it anchored with ^ |
| 18:03.19 | Kaso | so it will only match at the start of the string |
| 18:03.23 | chuckg | Not so. |
| 18:03.43 | Kaso | hm? |
| 18:03.55 | chuckg | It seems to function anywhere, I believe. |
| 18:03.59 | chuckg | But you could be correct! |
| 18:04.23 | chuckg | So it was. |
| 18:04.28 | chuckg | God I love easy stuff like that. |
| 18:04.31 | chuckg | :) |
| 18:04.49 | chuckg | Thanks for catching that Kaso. |
| 18:04.54 | chuckg | As for "alua", I can't seem to find it. |
| 18:05.00 | cogwheel|work | a lua |
| 18:05.04 | Kaso | a Lua :> |
| 18:05.19 | cogwheel|work | check out http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 18:05.34 | cogwheel|work | (cide uses it for his bot's lua environment) |
| 18:05.44 | chuckg | Ahh nice. |
| 18:05.50 | chuckg | No more reloadui fests. |
| 18:06.33 | cogwheel|work | you can also use something like LuaSlinger or TinyPad for in-game lua testing |
| 18:06.46 | cogwheel|work | with no need for reloads depending on how you're doing it |
| 18:07.40 | pastamancer | "Foot [STRIPME]: Hello friends, this strip works." is the expected output? |
| 18:07.50 | chuckg | Kaso was correct. |
| 18:08.04 | pastamancer | oh, yes |
| 18:08.04 | chuckg | Pattern had ^, anchoring it. |
| 18:08.19 | chuckg | So in my tests when I was just working with timestamps (the first entry) it worked fine. |
| 18:08.22 | pastamancer | I had to find my scratch file and was going to tell you that it worked just fine with that I had |
| 18:11.32 | EArmbrust | foxlit: that worked perfectly. i learned two things: 1) frames specified in the XML aren't accessible until AFTER the initial creation (makes sense) and 2) don't use WoWUIDesigner |
| 18:16.10 | cogwheel|work | foxlit: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=98903892&sid=1#4 |
| 18:16.53 | foxlit | cogwheel: awesome! |
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| 18:39.13 | foxlit | Spore Burst: Nature damage inflected every 0 seconds. |
| 18:40.10 | foxlit | Wonder what the dps of that is |
| 18:43.22 | Kaso | infinite |
| 18:44.27 | Kaso | or zero |
| 18:44.31 | Kaso | depending how you look at it |
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| 19:09.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | some people are putting together a pug for naxx on my server :O |
| 19:09.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:10.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the realm's resident raiding guild are ragging on them |
| 19:10.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | "it's a waste of time and gold why try" |
| 19:10.50 | Shirik | well |
| 19:10.54 | Shirik | my guild ran BWL a few days ago :P |
| 19:11.06 | Shirik | we just felt like it :P |
| 19:11.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i reply "People play a game for personal enjoyment and not advancement? (which happens to be months behind the real poopsockers anyway) Shock is overwhelming me!" |
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| 19:42.35 | Industrial | f=CreateFrame('Frame') f:SetScript('OnEvent', function(frame, event, ...) ChatFrame1:Addmessage('EVENT') end) |
| 19:42.38 | Industrial | why doesnt this work? |
| 19:42.58 | Shirik | "doesn't work" is a very bad idea |
| 19:43.04 | Shirik | but AddMessage being capitalized would help |
| 19:43.19 | Industrial | not about the syntax this is just an example |
| 19:43.20 | JoshBorke | and registering events would also help |
| 19:43.34 | Industrial | sigh |
| 19:43.34 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:43.44 | JoshBorke | otherwise the code is fine |
| 19:43.46 | Industrial | I see the event in devtools, and its registered |
| 19:44.00 | Industrial | oh, OH |
| 19:44.03 | Industrial | nm. |
| 19:44.17 | JoshBorke | and the winner is? |
| 19:45.13 | Industrial | me :D |
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| 20:03.37 | foxlit | Anyone know what the positive charge (thaddius / heroic mech) texture name is? |
| 20:04.20 | sysrage | teh lots 'o fun texture |
| 20:04.22 | sysrage | love that fight |
| 20:04.25 | sysrage | 11k crits ftw |
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| 20:10.35 | nevcairiel | foxlit: Spell_ChargePositive |
| 20:11.25 | nevcairiel | Interface/Icons/Spell_ChargePositive to be exact |
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| 20:13.46 | foxlit | nev: Thanks :) |
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| 20:23.37 | foxlit | If I do :SetVertexColor() on a texture, does it reset after :SetTexture()? |
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| 20:48.01 | foxlit | Any suggestions on how to make this [ http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6158/assignfz3.png ] any less ugly? |
| 20:53.52 | Kaso | Looks pretty pretty to me |
| 20:54.18 | JoshBorke | <Mikma> Add surprise buttsecks to ikt |
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| 20:54.29 | Future369 | hi |
| 20:54.35 | cogwheel|work | hi |
| 20:54.43 | Future369 | can someone help me with an Addon ? |
| 20:54.50 | Future369 | DiscortArt |
| 20:54.52 | cogwheel|work | don't ask to ask :P |
| 20:54.57 | Future369 | ^^ |
| 20:55.10 | JoshBorke | foxlit: that hurts me eyes to try to figure out |
| 20:55.26 | Kaso | Discord mods havent been updated for a fair old while |
| 20:55.28 | Future369 | DiscortArt it says incompatible |
| 20:55.30 | Mikma | JoshBorke: what is "ikt" |
| 20:55.39 | JoshBorke | Mikma: a typo |
| 20:55.49 | Mikma | oh ok |
| 20:55.54 | Future369 | it works on the new Reborn |
| 20:56.07 | cogwheel|work | there's a fan version floating around somewhere |
| 20:56.09 | JoshBorke | Future369: copy it from the new reborn then. the author must have updated it |
| 20:56.26 | Future369 | someone with Teamspeak who knows how to help me ? ^^ |
| 20:57.04 | TC-Working | Vent > teamspeak |
| 20:57.06 | foxlit | Kaso: problem is, textures look weird when downscaled to 16x16, and I don't have a way of easily displaying limits on those assigns :/ |
| 20:57.38 | Future369 | Thx Josh ill try that ^^ |
| 20:58.01 | cogwheel|work | Future369: http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showmessage.pl?forum=general&msgnum=1159 |
| 20:58.05 | TC-Working | Future369, check discords forums, they updated all discord mods to work with 2.0 |
| 20:58.30 | Kaso | Whatcha mean by limits? |
| 20:59.04 | TC-Working | or you can be lazy and follow cogwheel's link |
| 20:59.17 | Kaso | I wish Tivoli would get around to makeing NurfedCombatLog 2.0ified, thats the only mod i cant seem to replace properly |
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| 20:59.59 | Future369 | THX BYE =) |
| 21:00.15 | cogwheel|work | ahhh... users... |
| 21:00.35 | TC-Working | heh |
| 21:00.36 | Kaso | haha |
| 21:00.36 | TC-Working | thats what i was thinking |
| 21:00.44 | Kaso | foxlit /poke |
| 21:01.02 | TC-Working | see, even if you dont know anything, you should stick around in this channel for the info floating around |
| 21:01.17 | foxlit | Kaso: pong |
| 21:01.25 | Kaso | I've learn more from this channel than i have anything else i think :> |
| 21:01.30 | Kaso | Whatcha mean limits foxlit |
| 21:01.36 | TC-Working | me to, and i dont even try to learn |
| 21:01.43 | TC-Working | freakin osmosis |
| 21:01.45 | Kaso | im not 100% sure i understand what your addon does from looking at it |
| 21:01.45 | foxlit | Kaso: what they're supposed to cast the spells on. For paladins it's class-based |
| 21:02.05 | foxlit | One might be doing BoW on druids, mages and warlocks, while another BoW on priests and paladins (odd, but still) |
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| 21:02.31 | Kaso | but the class icons aren't recognisable that small you mean? |
| 21:02.37 | Shirik | Kaso: I'm working on making a combat log system |
| 21:02.44 | Shirik | I have some really sick ideas for it... but it's taking some time :P |
| 21:02.48 | foxlit | Fitting 8 of them in a worst case scenario will take a heckload of space too |
| 21:03.02 | Kaso | Shirik: will it have "watches" like nurfed dud |
| 21:03.14 | Shirik | I never used nerfed so I can't say I know what that is |
| 21:03.18 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Do you know how fast the file will become full? |
| 21:03.25 | Shirik | but give me ideas, I'm trying to make this pretty much have everything |
| 21:03.30 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: Yes, it eats up a ton of memory |
| 21:03.32 | Shirik | but I have my ways around that |
| 21:03.44 | Kaso | Basically you could "watch" a unitID or a Unit Name and have only that person's combat events appear in a certain window |
| 21:04.06 | Shirik | so you can watch it mid-fight? or would you look at this after the fight? |
| 21:04.10 | Kaso | foxlit: perhaps, have like one row per buff, then some sort of button to hovver over which brings up a tooltip listing the classes that buff should go onto? |
| 21:04.17 | Kaso | mid fight |
| 21:04.26 | Kaso | So i used to have one window watching myself, one the MT |
| 21:04.30 | Shirik | It could be done, though I didn't think of even trying to look at information mid-fight yet |
| 21:04.58 | Shirik | but that's simple to do, one function to change |
| 21:04.59 | Mike-N-Go | Would that have trouble with people or pets whose name is 'You'? |
| 21:05.05 | Shirik | negative, I already handle those |
| 21:05.16 | Kaso | Mike-N-Go you throw em out of your raid :> |
| 21:05.20 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:05.23 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:05.26 | Shirik | I see what you mean |
| 21:05.32 | Shirik | Yeah those people don't deserve to be in party :P |
| 21:05.42 | Shirik | Though... my pet did have the same name as a player at one point ^^ |
| 21:05.48 | Mike-N-Go | Kaso, rather, throw 'em out of you raid! :P |
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| 21:06.09 | Kaso | thats the one feature i miss of nurfed :< and i would have converted it to 2.0 myself, but i cant seem to find a copy of it anymore which is frustrating |
| 21:06.28 | Kaso | i had an almost working version of it all the time i was on tbc beta, but ive lost the fucker |
| 21:06.30 | Kaso | so annoyed |
| 21:06.35 | foxlit | All hunters need to rename their pet to You! |
| 21:06.40 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:06.44 | Shirik | KTM would be pissed |
| 21:06.46 | foxlit | Imagine the damagemeters hilarity that'll ensue |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | actually |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | it shouldn't affect anything |
| 21:07.15 | Shirik | at least I know my log wouldn't be affected |
| 21:07.20 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, what about a pet having the same name as the player ! |
| 21:07.31 | Shirik | I have different methods to handle CREATURE_VS_CREATURE_HITS and CREATURE_VS_SELF_HITS |
| 21:07.34 | Shirik | now THAT would be a problem |
| 21:08.18 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: What is the 'THAT' you speak of? |
| 21:08.20 | sysrage | they need to friggin make mage pets random name. annoying as hell if there's 2 frost mages |
| 21:08.26 | Shirik | having the same name as a player |
| 21:10.08 | Kaso | Imo the whole combat log system could do with a re-write at blizzards end, but ofc i know that wont ever happen |
| 21:10.13 | Kaso | the number of addons it'd break |
| 21:10.16 | Shirik | well, in writing this addon |
| 21:10.24 | Shirik | I've gotten really pissed at the whole system >< |
| 21:10.31 | Shirik | For example, someone in my party healing me |
| 21:10.37 | Shirik | results in a CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILEPLAYER_BUFF |
| 21:10.47 | sysrage | lol |
| 21:10.52 | sysrage | hostile heals ftw |
| 21:11.17 | Kaso | In writing my tooltip addon i got pissed at the way i needed 6 bloody different patterns to match one stat |
| 21:11.27 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:11.33 | Kaso | i sware they just randomly choose to write them a different way each time |
| 21:11.39 | Shirik | I mean, currently this combat log system is... |
| 21:11.48 | Shirik | 909 lines |
| 21:11.53 | Shirik | and it doesn't really "do" much |
| 21:11.58 | Shirik | other than parse messages and store them in tables |
| 21:12.04 | Shirik | and probably about 10% of messages still aren't accounted for |
| 21:12.29 | JoshBorke | no one likes ParserLib? :-( |
| 21:12.42 | Shirik | I refuse to use libraries :P |
| 21:12.49 | Shirik | Other than VFL, which was only written for RDX anyway |
| 21:13.33 | JoshBorke | but ParserLib is a good library |
| 21:13.43 | Shirik | did you write it? |
| 21:13.48 | JoshBorke | no, rophy did |
| 21:13.52 | MentalPower|AFK | why do you refuse to use libraries? |
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| 21:14.03 | Shirik | MentalPower|AFK: To be brutally honest |
| 21:14.09 | Shirik | Because I don't want to have to learn to use them |
| 21:14.13 | zenzelezz | I don't use libraries because I prefer knowing (or thinking I know) what's going on |
| 21:14.17 | Shirik | I'd rather write the code myself |
| 21:14.20 | Shirik | so I know exactly how it works |
| 21:14.26 | amro | some libraries are simple enough |
| 21:14.27 | zenzelezz | unless it's too complicated for me to figure, in which case I'd use one |
| 21:14.35 | Shirik | I don't see a good reason |
| 21:14.41 | Shirik | to use a library, when all I need is string.find |
| 21:15.00 | Shirik | Because of what I'm doing, I need to use a different function for each CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_** event anyway |
| 21:16.30 | cogwheel|work | that sounds exactly like what ParserLib is designed for... |
| 21:16.30 | cogwheel|work | (just looking at it for the first time now) |
| 21:16.30 | Shirik | missing the point though |
| 21:16.30 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 21:16.30 | Mike-N-Go | Someone created x lib for a reason.. |
| 21:16.30 | cogwheel|work | ignoring the point, actually |
| 21:16.30 | zenzelezz | people who try to convince me to use a library because "other addons doing the same [...] memory [...] speed [...]" fail because I only use a very few addons myself, so it's not an issue |
| 21:16.30 | Shirik | Whether or not it's what it was created for, I don't see the reason to use it, since I need to recreate a function for each event anyway |
| 21:16.31 | Shirik | It eventually boils down to me using some library call instead of string.find |
| 21:16.39 | JoshBorke | the only reason i recommend it is to take care of localization |
| 21:16.50 | Vangual | if people write a library chances are there is some pitfall they hit and want to prevent others from. |
| 21:17.00 | Mike-N-Go | Someone wrote said lib to make a set of tasks easier. |
| 21:17.19 | Shirik | but not to make everything easier |
| 21:17.22 | gnorlish | isn't string.find a blackbox function |
| 21:17.24 | zenzelezz | I'm not opposed to libraries in themselves, but I never appreciate authors that try to push them on the rest of the populus |
| 21:17.29 | gnorlish | or did you write it |
| 21:17.44 | Shirik | string.find is a blackbox function, yes. It's simple pattern matching, I don't care how it works :P |
| 21:17.48 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict blackbox |
| 21:17.58 | Shirik | ~wiki blackbox |
| 21:18.03 | JoshBorke | now you guys are just getting picky |
| 21:18.13 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 21:18.18 | JoshBorke | there's going to be marginal performance difference |
| 21:18.29 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Your head has a desk o.O |
| 21:18.42 | Kaso | Sometime i wish i put more thought into designing my addons |
| 21:18.59 | Kaso | when i reach a point and think "fuck, i have to re-write half of it cos i didnt think of this" |
| 21:19.20 | zenzelezz | another reason I don't use libraries is because then I don't have to sit down and search around to see whether or not there are any that do what I want, and if there are multiple, compare them |
| 21:20.02 | cogwheel|work | depending on the task, that may be quicker than implementing one yourself though... |
| 21:20.25 | Shirik | true, but for this task, I find this to be not the case |
| 21:20.26 | zenzelezz | it's not the time that troubles me |
| 21:20.28 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 21:20.32 | Shirik | Again, it's a simple string.find that I'd be giving up |
| 21:20.38 | Shirik | that's... one line |
| 21:20.39 | zenzelezz | did I just chase Josh away? |
| 21:20.45 | Shirik | I know how to do pattern matching |
| 21:21.29 | cogwheel|work | I think blanket refusal to use libs is just as silly as evangelizing a particular lib... |
| 21:21.37 | Shirik | ok, true |
| 21:22.00 | Shirik | but more specifically, I'm not going to use a library for a simple task such as this |
| 21:22.15 | Shirik | Again, I really don't see any benefit to using a library if you're just going to be replacing one line with another |
| 21:23.08 | Shirik | I'd prefer to be able to (1) know exactly how it works, and (2) have the ability to change it at my discretion |
| 21:23.08 | cogwheel|work | If you weren't very comfortable with lua patterns, you'd probably be singing a different tune :P |
| 21:23.14 | Shirik | I completely agree |
| 21:23.49 | zenzelezz | he didn't say you should refuse libraries if you didn't know how to make do without them (as far as I read) |
| 21:24.09 | cogwheel|work | zenzelezz: FWIW: <JoshBorke>must leave irc, too distracte |
| 21:24.37 | zenzelezz | phew, was worried I might be Miravlixing |
| 21:24.41 | zenzelezz | I mean trolling |
| 21:24.47 | Shirik | Miravlixing? |
| 21:25.02 | zenzelezz | Miravlix was somewhat like me, except worse |
| 21:25.50 | zenzelezz | if you didn't agree with him, you'd be sure to hear it |
| 21:26.04 | zenzelezz | purl, seen Miravlix |
| 21:26.16 | purl | miravlix <i=dragon@arcdraco.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 145d 5h 23m 41s ago, saying: 'ffs'. |
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| 21:38.03 | zenzelezz | actually I shouldn't name him quite like that, I just remember him having rather heated opinions for using libraries, and against people who didn't |
| 21:38.21 | zenzelezz | along the lines of "why should I who use 150+ addons suffer?" |
| 21:39.02 | Vangual | only? ;> |
| 21:39.08 | Shirik | libraries are good |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | they help programmers, especially newer ones |
| 21:39.30 | Shirik | and they help limit reused code |
| 21:39.33 | zenzelezz | I agree; I just don't always use them =) |
| 21:39.34 | Shirik | recreated* |
| 21:40.16 | Vangual | speaking of new programmers, i managed to get rid of the tainting you helped me on. |
| 21:41.17 | Vangual | rewriting the code to not use but one global object seemed to fix it mysteriously -.- |
| 21:41.32 | zenzelezz | which object? |
| 21:42.21 | Vangual | one object for all of my functions and variables i mean, earlier it was a mix of global variables and global functions all in global namespace |
| 21:42.34 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 21:42.41 | Vangual | (with unique names nevertheless) |
| 21:54.12 | cladhaire | quick |
| 21:54.18 | zenzelezz | slow |
| 21:54.20 | cladhaire | i need a priest holy PVE healbot build. |
| 21:54.37 | cogwheel|work | priest forums? |
| 21:54.39 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 21:54.51 | cladhaire | BAH |
| 21:55.19 | cogwheel|work | i've never leveled a priest past 35 so ... /shrug |
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| 21:55.50 | zenzelezz | mine is 57, mostly full Discipline... teamed once =D |
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| 22:07.32 | Shirik|AFK | cladhaire: Wtf |
| 22:07.35 | Shirik|AFK | priests aren't holy anymore |
| 22:07.42 | Shirik|AFK | they're all shadow |
| 22:07.47 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:07.59 | Shirik|AFK | anyway /afk |
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| 22:32.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that was bizarre |
| 22:32.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was watching the science channel, something talking about dinosaurs and birds |
| 22:32.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and a vulture made its noise, and it was the exact same sound flight form makes when it's cast :O |
| 22:33.01 | cogwheel|work | I hear a lot of sounds from Doom in movies... |
| 22:33.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially door sounds |
| 22:33.45 | cogwheel|work | I think I heard one of WoW's bear growls in Planet Earth... |
| 22:34.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep. |
| 22:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did too |
| 22:35.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently the "nature shows" sound crew uses the same stock sounds as Blizzard |
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| 22:39.03 | zenzelezz | a lot of sound files are made by sound studios and just bought by everyone because it's so much easier than making/capturing your own |
| 22:39.25 | zenzelezz | Rollercoaster Tycoon and Mission Impossible 2 share some rollercoastery sounds |
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| 22:42.30 | cogwheel|work | yep. It's still amusing though |
| 22:42.37 | zenzelezz | true |
| 22:43.03 | cogwheel|work | watching some sci-fi movie and when they open a door you'd swear there's an imp about to throw a fireball at you on the other side... |
| 22:47.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a rammstein song that uses doom sounds |
| 22:47.24 | foxlit | Doom had too much of those imps-behind-your-back-when-we-forced-you-not-to-look |
| 22:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the shotgun sound and a scream |
| 22:49.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEomaVGw9SU |
| 22:49.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it the imp scream? |
| 22:49.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't remember |
| 22:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it's the marine's :O |
| 22:55.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh my god |
| 22:55.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 22:55.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | a tyrannosaurus just made the bear form noise |
| 22:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 22:55.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | two of them, infact |
| 22:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | both of its different roars |
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| 22:57.31 | zenzelezz | so tyrannosaurs are feral? |
| 22:57.47 | leethal | quick question: is there an addon that makes the chat frame scrollable with the mouse wheel - and just that? |
| 22:58.03 | leethal | I don't need 10k other features, i'd prefer to not have to use Prat etc to do that =/ |
| 22:58.22 | leethal | found one, but it was outdated and all |
| 22:58.22 | Thrae | leethal: SimpleChatMods, or idChat |
| 22:59.01 | leethal | thanks |
| 22:59.26 | leethal | if there isn't one.. it's not really hard to make one is there? 20-30 lines of code and it's done? |
| 23:05.53 | Gryphen | http://www.cosmosui.org/download.php?t=addons&f=ChatScroll.zip |
| 23:06.11 | leethal | sweet |
| 23:13.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth, did they hotfix the formula icon while i was offline or something? |
| 23:13.48 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 23:13.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of a sudden it's this brownish unfolded map thing @_@ |
| 23:15.31 | Kaso | which formula? |
| 23:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | battlemaster |
| 23:15.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | old icon on the ptr: http://www.thottbot.com/test/i22557 |
| 23:16.22 | Kaso | what icon is it now? |
| 23:16.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't explain it |
| 23:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll take a screen i guess |
| 23:16.38 | Kaso | . /dump GetItemInfo("Itemlink") :> |
| 23:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 23:17.45 | Kaso | tell me what the 10th return is |
| 23:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | string "Sea.io.print(GetItemInfo([item link]:1:unexpected symbol near '|' |
| 23:18.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ |
| 23:19.14 | Kaso | GetItemInfo("[Item link]") |
| 23:19.18 | Kaso | needs quotes |
| 23:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | INV\_Misc_Note_01 |
| 23:20.40 | Kaso | must be a bug on your client |
| 23:20.53 | Kaso | INV_Misc_Note_01 is the normal "enchant formula" icon |
| 23:21.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's an icon i've never seen |
| 23:21.59 | Kaso | Hoverover it and do |
| 23:22.36 | Kaso | ./run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(_G[GetMouseFocus():GetName().."Icon"]:GetTexture()) |
| 23:22.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn too late |
| 23:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | relogged |
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| 23:22.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | its fixed |
| 23:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 23:23.00 | Kaso | noob! |
| 23:24.54 | Kaso | see if you can spot it on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images |
| 23:25.03 | Kaso | (warning *large* page) |
| 23:25.51 | JoshBorke | pages like that make the wiki cry |
| 23:25.57 | Kaso | yah |
| 23:26.01 | Kaso | dont go onto that page too much |
| 23:26.43 | foxlit | I could've used that earlier! |
| 23:27.20 | foxlit | blp2png conversion artifacts on some of those images, btw? |
| 23:27.52 | Kaso | is there? |
| 23:28.19 | foxlit | A few icons appear as stripes of the original texture and transparent regions |
| 23:28.25 | Kaso | hmm |
| 23:28.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Weapon_Shortblade_54.png |
| 23:29.34 | Kaso | I'll have to get someone on that |
| 23:29.47 | JoshBorke | i want a mana potion pack :-( |
| 23:30.00 | Kaso | i use blp2png's conversion code myself, shame about that bug |
| 23:30.06 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Gizmo_ManaPotionPack.png |
| 23:30.22 | Kaso | thats the injector |
| 23:31.33 | foxlit | Some of those icons seem to use an entirely different art style |
| 23:32.06 | Kaso | howso? |
| 23:32.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it also makes firefox cry |
| 23:32.31 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Jewelcrafting_BlackPearlPanther.png |
| 23:32.36 | Kaso | dont load that page too much please :< |
| 23:32.46 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Holiday_ToW_SpiceBrownie.png |
| 23:32.46 | Kaso | You'll kill wowwiki |
| 23:32.59 | Kaso | ah i see what you mean |
| 23:33.04 | JoshBorke | blame kaso for linkning it |
| 23:33.10 | Kaso | i guess its just different artists |
| 23:33.19 | Kaso | doesnt samwise do most of the "traditional" ones |
| 23:33.26 | foxlit | Panther is smoother than anything else, there's an actual reflection on that muffin |
| 23:34.47 | Kaso | i must admit 2.0 icons are so much better |
| 23:35.20 | foxlit | Dunno, link some |
| 23:35.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see it on there kaso |
| 23:35.57 | Kaso | see what on where? |
| 23:36.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the icon |
| 23:36.23 | foxlit | I wish they'd decide on a border style. |
| 23:36.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | on that page |
| 23:36.33 | Kaso | oh |
| 23:36.36 | Kaso | how odd |
| 23:36.37 | foxlit | There are like three different ones in there. |
| 23:36.53 | Kaso | if theres something blizzard cant do its decide on standards |
| 23:37.07 | Kaso | mana5 on items, im looking at you! |
| 23:37.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i took a screen |
| 23:37.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme find it |
| 23:37.29 | Kaso | woot |
| 23:39.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | copper has an elephant on it |
| 23:39.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yet, there's no elephants :O (elekks don't count) |
| 23:39.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | perhaps they're remembering an extinct species |
| 23:39.56 | Kaso | Copper ore? Copper Coin? Copper Bar? |
| 23:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | coin |
| 23:46.03 | Kaso | Mr_Rabies wheres that screenshot! |
| 23:46.06 | Kaso | im so curious |
| 23:46.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | working on it |
| 23:46.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | have fun with imageshack and wow at the same time :[ |
| 23:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3319/wowscrnshot043007191810ga2.jpg |
| 23:48.23 | Kaso | wtf |
| 23:48.25 | Kaso | wierd |
| 23:48.53 | Kaso | looks like i could be either a) corrupted texture or b) part of the world map |
| 23:49.10 | TC-Working | eh, 50/10 is not such a good deal |
| 23:49.40 | TC-Working | maybe if it stacked it would be...no, not really |
| 23:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, the item icon? |
| 23:49.48 | Corrodias | definitely reminds me of the STV map |
| 23:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a minute, that's a sexy addon |
| 23:50.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | which? |
| 23:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | What addon is it that adds the itemlink to the tooltip? |
| 23:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | ummmm |
| 23:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | stubby? |
| 23:50.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's part of the auctioneer package, is all i know |
| 23:50.42 | ScytheBlade1 | So I just have to poke around in my options then |
| 23:50.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 23:50.55 | zenzelezz | Informant I'd think |
| 23:51.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i think it's informant |
| 23:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, I hate you |
| 23:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I want that enchant :( |
| 23:51.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | why |
| 23:51.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 23:51.28 | Corrodias | very expensive to actually perform |
| 23:51.36 | zenzelezz | "Battlemaster", a map could be a decent icon for that... not sure how else to represent a battle |
| 23:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 8x as expensive to buy on the AH |
| 23:51.42 | Kaso | Isnt battlemaster actually 180 to 300 hp? its just the formula is wrong |
| 23:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | They're listed as 3k gold on my AH |
| 23:52.04 | Corrodias | for 50 health over 10 seconds... |
| 23:52.10 | Corrodias | unless that stacks really high, "blegh" |
| 23:52.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got it from my mail |
| 23:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias, it stacks, and throws aggro on the one with the enchant |
| 23:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Put it on the MT's weapon with a bunch of melee in his group |
| 23:52.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | from my mule char |
| 23:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And I doubt he'd EVER lose threat |
| 23:52.50 | Corrodias | better stack |
| 23:53.08 | Corrodias | how high? |
| 23:53.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | wouldnt be surprised if they changed it to 0 threat |
| 23:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much infinite from what I've seen |
| 23:53.08 | Corrodias | yeah, i'd want it on my rogues |
| 23:53.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | like ilotp |
| 23:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It just appears as another buff |
| 23:53.17 | Corrodias | i'd make sweet bear love to my rogues who had that on their weapons |
| 23:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't want it on the rogues (unless they changed it to 0 threat) |
| 23:53.27 | Corrodias | yeah, after threat changes |
| 23:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They die fast enough as is ;) |
| 23:53.52 | Corrodias | one of our two level 70 rogues has enough trouble with pulling aggro in a heroic instance. he was notably the only one of us who didn't have KTM installed. |
| 23:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, KTM |
| 23:54.08 | Corrodias | just, you know, side note |
| 23:54.41 | Corrodias | he's used to another bear tanking, who knows how he fights a little better, i think |
| 23:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 23:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That really does make all the difference |
| 23:55.19 | Corrodias | hard to hold aggro on two mobs when he's using his "attack two guys at once" thing |
| 23:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew |
| 23:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, in it's current form, Battlemaster is nothing short of amazing for a tank |
| 23:55.50 | Thrae | You don't even need KTM's fancy equations, just something like a simple DPS meter would be fine, especially a sharing one |
| 23:56.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogues that abuse that talent get to tank |
| 23:56.39 | Thrae | The problem with DPS classes is that they always want to try and get that DPS number higher ;) KTM just shouts at you saying YOUR DPS IS TOO HIGH IDIOT |
| 23:56.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if you make me work harder than i want to, you get to tank |
| 23:56.46 | Corrodias | keep in mind that bears have individual abilities that add threat at rates that do not have the same proportion to their damage |
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| 23:57.45 | Thrae | Corrodias: Especially past 60 and with the right gear, Bears were out-tanking Prot. Warriors w/ Swipe spam |
| 23:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | not anymore :[ |
| 23:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | swipe's nigh useless |
| 23:58.19 | Thrae | Nah, I still find plenty of uses for it, especially off-tanking |
| 23:58.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | tab->lacerate is more threat/second |
| 23:58.40 | Corrodias | i'm getting a little depressed... our guild leader removed his paladin (his only level 70 character) in order to take a break from the guild after so much administrative stress. i'm a little... annoyed that he chose to use one of our two high level paladins to do it. |
| 23:58.59 | Corrodias | this after a couple of other people left for other reasons |
| 23:59.06 | Thrae | You need to go beyond the "What's Most Effective" |
| 23:59.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's less effective, why use it :O |
| 23:59.39 | Corrodias | i have no idea where you're going with that |
| 23:59.45 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I remember when everyone said Lacerate was complete and utter crap for tanking ;) |
| 23:59.56 | Thrae | And that was before anyone got the chance to USE it! |
| 23:59.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used it and swipe when they said that |
