| 00:00.34 | zenzelezz | think our problems are a combination of the hiatus in raiding between 2.0 and a few weeks after BC, people wanting to be all sorts of specs, and not many people wanting to lead raids |
| 00:00.36 | zenzelezz | guild leader is pretty busy in RL lately |
| 00:04.34 | TC-Working | who wants to build a robot? http://msdn.microsoft.com/robotics/ |
| 00:16.22 | ckknight | BSOD... revert to core programming... destroy all humans |
| 00:16.35 | zenzelezz | guru meditation |
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| 00:36.33 | TC-Working | you know what...you should never be entering information and be confronted with these two choises at the bottom "Continue" & "Next" |
| 00:36.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:36.54 | TC-Working | hmmm...which freaking buttom am i supposed to press |
| 00:37.00 | TC-Working | button* |
| 00:37.06 | Shirik | don't choose the wrong one |
| 00:37.12 | Shirik | the wrong one makes the world asplode |
| 00:37.12 | TC-Working | no kidding |
| 00:41.33 | TC-Working | i swear, i can never find an NDA when i need one |
| 00:41.45 | Shirik | just any random NDA? |
| 00:41.50 | zenzelezz | don't worry, you can tell us, we won't tell anyone |
| 00:41.54 | TC-Working | no, for a specific game |
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| 00:43.32 | TC-Working | i would like to know what i can and cannot say...but i cant find the bloody thing |
| 00:45.05 | TC-Working | oh..guess there is no NDA for the game |
| 00:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never been a big fan of holding NDAs :p |
| 00:50.36 | TC-Working | me either |
| 00:51.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally the people i tell aren't IGN or anything, so it's no big deal |
| 00:52.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'll send screens to people and whatnot if i'm in a beta :p |
| 00:53.36 | TC-Working | heh |
| 00:53.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was that time bill roper threatened to gut me like a fish when i refused to tell him about jewelcrafting |
| 00:54.15 | TC-Working | you caved didnt you |
| 00:54.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | let's just say that Hellgate: London is going to have places for bling on the weapons now |
| 00:55.54 | TC-Working | mmm..yes, because i always wanted a dimond inset glock |
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| 01:05.28 | Legorol | morning |
| 01:05.35 | Shirik | morning |
| 01:05.52 | Legorol | which version of Recap is the most up-to-date, and recommended for download? |
| 01:06.11 | Legorol | also, what's that AddOn that I see on many UI screenshots that does colour highlighting etc. on the combat log? |
| 01:06.16 | Shirik | I've been using the one from pre-2.0 without any trouble, tbh |
| 01:06.27 | Shirik | and that I don't know :( |
| 01:06.27 | Legorol | with just a TOC no. change? |
| 01:06.43 | Shirik | I may have made some minor syntax changes but I don't think so |
| 01:06.51 | clad|afk | I use SimpleCombatLog |
| 01:06.56 | clad|afk | with the default settings |
| 01:07.15 | Legorol | checking.. |
| 01:08.08 | Legorol | clad|afk, that's almost what i'm thinking of, |
| 01:08.15 | Legorol | but i don't think that's the one that the majority of people uses |
| 01:08.26 | clad|afk | well there'd NurfedCombatLog, SimpleCombatLog and HitsMode |
| 01:08.30 | Legorol | is SimpleCombatLog something that's been around for long? |
| 01:08.31 | clad|afk | those are the only i know of |
| 01:08.38 | Legorol | ok thanks, i'll check those |
| 01:09.01 | Legorol | coudl be hitsmode, that rings a bell as a name, so it's probably one of the more popular |
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| 01:10.01 | clad|afk | imo popular means nothing =) |
| 01:10.21 | Shirik | smoking is "popular" |
| 01:10.33 | clad|afk | Ace is popular |
| 01:10.49 | clad|afk | but i'd rather choose an addon based on how it runs and works for me =) |
| 01:10.50 | Shirik | I was resisting that statement >< |
| 01:10.52 | raevanmorlock | I've walked into a very odd conversation |
| 01:11.03 | zenzelezz | a very popular conversation |
| 01:11.06 | clad|afk | raevanmorlock: how is this weird? |
| 01:11.09 | clad|afk | zenzelezz: YOUR FACE IS POPULAR |
| 01:11.13 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 01:11.14 | clad|afk | ooh burn! |
| 01:11.18 | Shirik | ow. |
| 01:11.23 | Shirik | I felt that burn from here |
| 01:11.32 | zenzelezz | I can't say I did |
| 01:11.34 | clad|afk | yeah srsly |
| 01:12.59 | Shirik | in all seriousness |
| 01:13.04 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: How is that a wierd conversation >< |
| 01:13.10 | Shirik | there has been MUCH worse |
| 01:13.31 | Cairenn | in this channel? nevah! |
| 01:13.33 | Kirkburn | Silly question of the day: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.wow-europe.com/281668630.htm |
| 01:13.40 | Kirkburn | "Are wow addons such as Titan Panel allowed?" |
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| 01:13.48 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is popular |
| 01:15.04 | Cairenn | s/hids/hides/ |
| 01:15.42 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, check the link that Vaneras posted! |
| 01:16.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:16.21 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:16.43 | Kirkburn | Didn't even intend for that wonderful coincidence |
| 01:17.38 | Kirkburn | Eww, zenzelezz, you got Perception Fluid all over me |
| 01:18.07 | zenzelezz | I have no idea how my racial ability relates to fluid |
| 01:20.22 | Legorol | yesterday we were discussing raid tactics etc. |
| 01:20.34 | Legorol | someone suggested some parsing AddOn that dumps combat log data or some such |
| 01:20.37 | Legorol | what was that? |
| 01:20.53 | Legorol | i think it might have involved some webpage generation as well |
| 01:21.17 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, you popped it, geddit, *nudge nudge* |
| 01:21.19 | clad|afk | there's one main one, i can't thin of the name tho |
| 01:21.33 | Legorol | i think leethal suggested it, i forget name |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | ~purl |
| 01:21.45 | purl | somebody said purl was one awesome bot!, or very suggestible. |
| 01:22.01 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: I understood what you meant, but you are in the wrong context. I popped it (as in cast it) in response to Cairenn hiding |
| 01:22.12 | Kirkburn | I don't care. :) |
| 01:22.25 | zenzelezz | obviously |
| 01:26.37 | Kirkburn | Nanu nanu |
| 01:29.52 | Shirik | clad|afk: Have you had any trouble removing waypoints? |
| 01:29.54 | Shirik | from tomtom? |
| 01:29.58 | clad|afk | no, why? |
| 01:30.07 | Shirik | :/ I never can get /way reset to work |
| 01:30.15 | zenzelezz | is anchoring against "TOP" the top center, or unspecified X, top Y? |
| 01:30.18 | Shirik | It always says there are no waypoints to remove |
| 01:30.21 | clad|afk | you can right click then on the minimap to remove as well |
| 01:30.24 | clad|afk | i dunno why it would do that |
| 01:30.38 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:30.40 | Shirik | actually I can't |
| 01:30.49 | clad|afk | yeah =) |
| 01:30.52 | clad|afk | lrn2update:P |
| 01:30.58 | clad|afk | rather |
| 01:31.00 | clad|afk | lrn2wowifavorite |
| 01:31.15 | Shirik | nah, I leave all that up to the updater |
| 01:31.18 | Shirik | I just haven't run it in a while |
| 01:31.36 | clad|afk | favorites have nothing to do with the updater |
| 01:31.43 | Shirik | actually they do :) |
| 01:31.44 | clad|afk | getting emailed when your addon has been updated is a good thing |
| 01:31.47 | clad|afk | then you can decide to run it or not. |
| 01:31.52 | Shirik | but yeah, I agree |
| 01:32.04 | Shirik | oh lookie "new version 0.2.0 found" :D |
| 01:32.28 | clad|afk | i feel shocked! |
| 01:32.57 | clad|afk | =) |
| 01:35.03 | Legorol | what's that event that's fairly new that fires when you hold/release a modifier? |
| 01:35.07 | Legorol | i can't find it anywhere |
| 01:35.50 | Legorol | nvm, l2search, i found it in Iriel's post |
| 01:35.59 | Kirkburn | clad|afk, cheeky bugger ... "TomTom" indeed :P |
| 01:36.05 | clad|afk | ? |
| 01:36.27 | Kirkburn | I actually thought you two were talking about a real TomTom at first |
| 01:36.32 | clad|afk | l,ol |
| 01:37.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i can't gey "killer queen" out of my head |
| 01:37.26 | Mikma | clad's tomtom will get more popular then the real tomtom |
| 01:38.55 | Seigi | dynamite, laserbeam |
| 01:39.01 | Seigi | what was it.. |
| 01:39.15 | Legorol | hmm... |
| 01:39.16 | Legorol | ~purl |
| 01:39.33 | purl | purl is, like, one awesome bot!, or very suggestible. |
| 01:39.33 | Legorol | doens't seem to work :/ |
| 01:39.33 | Seigi | Shes a killer queen, gun powder, guilotine, dynamite with a laserbeam |
| 01:39.33 | Seigi | thats it.. |
| 01:40.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Seigi, It's stuck in my head because i've been playing it on guitar hero :x |
| 01:41.00 | Seigi | ah XD |
| 01:41.05 | Seigi | the song fcking owns though |
| 01:41.08 | Seigi | it's bloody ace |
| 01:42.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes it is |
| 01:42.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eco5cXrxQPk |
| 01:42.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | so fun to play too |
| 01:42.51 | Seigi | thats not any bunny porn, is it? |
| 01:45.38 | raevanmorlock | it's a GH2 vid |
| 01:45.38 | raevanmorlock | Find your own bunny porn :P |
| 01:46.25 | Seigi | :P |
| 01:46.31 | Seigi | Ah so thats what guitar hero is like |
| 01:46.36 | Seigi | looks pretty kewl |
| 01:46.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend had frightening drawn furry porn with armadillos mislabeled and shared at a lan, that was pretty interesting when someone found it |
| 01:47.04 | Seigi | Oh well |
| 01:47.12 | Seigi | I'm gonna go sleep |
| 01:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | he had it in his shared folder for that specific reason |
| 01:47.17 | Seigi | So.. |
| 01:47.21 | Seigi | see ya when ill see ya |
| 01:47.25 | Seigi | Oh |
| 01:47.28 | Seigi | he had it there on purpose? |
| 01:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | so someone would find it and cry |
| 01:47.36 | wobin_ | guaranteed to blow your mind |
| 01:47.38 | wobin_ | Anytime! |
| 01:47.39 | Seigi | rofl |
| 01:47.42 | Seigi | well ok |
| 01:47.44 | Seigi | night night :P |
| 01:50.51 | raevanmorlock | I don't think I blinked the entire time watchin that GH2 vid |
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| 01:51.12 | Legorol | bleh, is there no way to enable the script errors from the UI in 2.1? |
| 01:51.38 | raevanmorlock | there is |
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| 01:51.59 | zenzelezz | it's even listed in the changes IIRC |
| 01:52.09 | clad|afk | leethal: /console scriptErrors 1 |
| 01:52.15 | clad|afk | err Legorol i mean |
| 01:53.09 | raevanmorlock | Is that the only way to do it? |
| 01:53.16 | Legorol | that's not exactly UI ;_) |
| 01:53.21 | clad|afk | you could edit config.wtf |
| 01:53.28 | Legorol | that's even less UI :D |
| 01:53.29 | clad|afk | Legorol: no, it was left out intentionally |
| 01:53.31 | Legorol | i meant a checkbox |
| 01:53.34 | Legorol | bleh |
| 01:53.38 | zenzelezz | it's either that or use an addon that shows errors |
| 01:53.42 | clad|afk | Legorol: if you want a UI to enable it, then install an addon that uses seterrorhandlers |
| 01:53.43 | clad|afk | :P |
| 01:53.45 | Legorol | i still don't understand the logic behind hiding script errors |
| 01:53.53 | Legorol | and i think it's detrimental, but it's Blizzard's call |
| 01:53.55 | zenzelezz | people got intimidated by them |
| 01:54.05 | clad|afk | its simple |
| 01:54.10 | Legorol | but AddOns are unsupported! |
| 01:54.15 | clad|afk | customer service was getting errors reports |
| 01:54.17 | Legorol | if you get intimidated by errors produced by addons, it's your fault |
| 01:54.21 | clad|afk | they don't support addons |
| 01:54.21 | raevanmorlock | The people that don't understand them don't need to be worried about 'ema nd those that do can just enable 'em |
| 01:54.22 | zenzelezz | but users didn't know it wasn't Blizzard's code |
| 01:54.29 | clad|afk | problem now solved for them |
| 01:54.33 | Legorol | and if you have a genuine error in Blizzard code, now it doesn't show up |
| 01:54.44 | Legorol | this is horrible |
| 01:54.50 | clad|afk | *shrug* |
| 01:54.54 | raevanmorlock | Blizzard's code shouldn't error |
| 01:54.58 | Legorol | in my experience, the thing that made people update addons was they were starting to get error messages |
| 01:54.59 | zenzelezz | I find your reaction most peculiar, although valid |
| 01:55.02 | Legorol | nowt hey will update even less :( |
| 01:55.10 | Legorol | raevanmorlock: shouldn't, but does |
| 01:55.13 | clad|afk | if they're using addons |
| 01:55.14 | zenzelezz | screw them, that's their problem |
| 01:55.15 | clad|afk | they should enable it |
| 01:55.21 | clad|afk | or download an error addon |
| 01:55.32 | Legorol | basically, as far as i can tell, this is sweeping it under the carpet |
| 01:55.36 | Legorol | both for blizzard errors and addon errors |
| 01:55.37 | clad|afk | yes |
| 01:55.39 | clad|afk | that's what they want to do |
| 01:55.41 | clad|afk | its that simple |
| 01:55.51 | Legorol | and that's what i don't like about it |
| 01:55.53 | clad|afk | you can disagree with it, but thats what the company, and blizzard customer service in general wants to happen |
| 01:55.56 | clad|afk | understood |
| 01:55.57 | clad|afk | =) |
| 01:55.57 | Legorol | you have a problem, don't pretend it doesn't exist |
| 01:56.05 | Legorol | clad|afk, sure, i understand |
| 01:56.08 | Legorol | i'm just venting |
| 01:56.09 | raevanmorlock | If Blizzard's code does error, there's nothing the average user can do about it anyhow. |
| 01:56.11 | zenzelezz | they code with errors on I'm certain |
| 01:56.12 | Legorol | because it means more headaches for us |
| 01:56.13 | clad|afk | understood |
| 01:56.31 | zenzelezz | what's the big problem? Users suck, they can do their homework or suffer :-p |
| 01:56.44 | Legorol | that's what errors made them do at least to some extent |
| 01:56.52 | Legorol | at least if they were getting errors, they tried to get rid of them by updating |
| 01:57.00 | clad|afk | well you're biased |
| 01:57.02 | clad|afk | to say the least |
| 01:58.37 | clad|afk | the users you see with issues, knew enough to come to you or update |
| 01:58.37 | zenzelezz | no-one in my guild updated addons because of errors, they just whined |
| 01:58.37 | clad|afk | you have no idea how many had addons, never updated, and blamed blizzard |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | no, these are guildmates of mine, who hate updating |
| 01:58.38 | clad|afk | and swamped customer service |
| 01:58.38 | clad|afk | that's the perspective you're missing =) |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | the only thing ever made them update was error messages |
| 01:58.38 | clad|afk | i agree, for the subset of people you refer to, its a problem |
| 01:58.38 | clad|afk | but its also resolveable. |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | clad|afk, i totally understand that side too, unfortunately |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | i realise that it's less work for Blizzard this way |
| 01:58.38 | clad|afk | its the only one that matters to them, which is unfortunate |
| 01:58.39 | clad|afk | but *shrug* |
| 01:58.39 | clad|afk | yes, it sucks |
| 01:58.39 | Legorol | it's still sweeping it under the carpet, rather than educating the userbase |
| 01:58.40 | Legorol | or dealing with it in another way |
| 01:58.40 | clad|afk | but we just have to educate now |
| 01:58.40 | Legorol | for example, make users jump through hoops to be able to use addons |
| 01:58.40 | zenzelezz | the Lua error messages are too cryptic for the average user |
| 01:58.40 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:58.45 | Legorol | that wasn't their purpose though |
| 01:58.49 | Legorol | as i said, their main role in my opinion were that they were irritating |
| 01:58.54 | Legorol | and to get rid of the, the user had to do something |
| 01:59.23 | zenzelezz | I don't see the problem, when their addons silently fail to work they'll still go looking for a solution |
| 01:59.27 | Legorol | so, now let's consider the following scenario: |
| 01:59.47 | Legorol | before, if someone got a Lua error, they went to customer service, complained, the most likely cause were addons, so cust. serv. said nuke the holy trinity |
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| 02:00.00 | Legorol | now if people get "mysterious bugs", with no red error messages, |
| 02:00.08 | Legorol | cust. serv. can't blame addons that straightforwardly |
| 02:00.18 | clad|afk | they still will |
| 02:00.24 | clad|afk | they'll tell them to nuke the holy trinity |
| 02:00.25 | clad|afk | response is the same |
| 02:00.30 | clad|afk | volume of calls is less |
| 02:00.31 | Legorol | i don't beleive the volume of calls to cust. serv. will be reduced significantly because of this, |
| 02:00.35 | clad|afk | (from their perspective) |
| 02:00.45 | Legorol | the descriptions will now be vaguer |
| 02:01.02 | Legorol | people with problems will *still* call cust. serv. |
| 02:01.15 | Legorol | and, if they are getting an error message, they have a bug, so they will still have a problme |
| 02:01.26 | Legorol | even if you don't display the error |
| 02:01.50 | Legorol | but i am no cust.serv. expert, so i am sure they figured they will get less calls like this |
| 02:02.01 | Legorol | otherwise they wouldn't do it |
| 02:02.10 | Industrial | its all blizzards fault for making a game that can be played by people that dont know how to operate a computer or the internet |
| 02:02.19 | Legorol | let's blame WoW! |
| 02:02.21 | Legorol | it's too popular |
| 02:02.24 | Industrial | but still wanna, and have the money. |
| 02:03.04 | Legorol | anyway, is it just me or the interface addon kit doesn't extract the feedback UI addon? |
| 02:03.17 | clad|afk | i haven't checked |
| 02:04.25 | ckknight | Legorol: isn't that just in the addons folder? |
| 02:06.08 | xlvii | Paladin or Warrior, which one would be the most fun end game? ;p |
| 02:07.28 | Legorol | hm, some interesting sounding new API functions |
| 02:07.29 | Legorol | GetDailyQuestsCompleted |
| 02:07.32 | Legorol | wonder what that is.. |
| 02:07.38 | leethal | xlvii: if you're going DPS, warrior. |
| 02:08.34 | Legorol | UnitIsPossessed, UnitIsRaidOfficer, nice ones |
| 02:08.41 | clad|afk | Legorol: certain quests can only be done X times a day |
| 02:08.49 | clad|afk | like the Hellfire PVP quests |
| 02:09.02 | Legorol | *boggle* |
| 02:09.11 | Legorol | since when? |
| 02:09.12 | Legorol | 2.1? |
| 02:09.20 | clad|afk | yes |
| 02:09.25 | Legorol | that's just silly |
| 02:09.27 | clad|afk | so they can award more rep or whatever |
| 02:09.28 | Legorol | i hope the limit is reasonable |
| 02:09.33 | clad|afk | and be casual friendly |
| 02:09.38 | Legorol | i loved doing that particular one over and over again |
| 02:09.43 | clad|afk | the Nether dragons are 10 a day i think |
| 02:09.45 | clad|afk | for most of them |
| 02:10.08 | Legorol | hm, will this mean a cap on rep gain for those who want to grind rep? |
| 02:10.13 | clad|afk | yes |
| 02:10.20 | Legorol | it's slow enough as it is to gain rep, this will make it even slower :( |
| 02:10.27 | clad|afk | not when those quests in particular give more. |
| 02:10.28 | Legorol | whereas it wont' affect people who grind less |
| 02:10.33 | clad|afk | well thats the point |
| 02:10.38 | Legorol | clad|afk, i wonder what the overall effect will be |
| 02:10.40 | clad|afk | its to discourage 24 hour rep grinds. |
| 02:10.44 | Legorol | :/ |
| 02:10.49 | Legorol | but some people *like* to do that |
| 02:10.50 | clad|afk | more positive overall, imho |
| 02:11.11 | Legorol | hm i guess |
| 02:11.20 | JoshBorke | less people to compete with on the whole |
| 02:11.22 | Legorol | the problem i see it is this though |
| 02:11.33 | Legorol | this might make the "average" player get rep a bit faster |
| 02:11.46 | Legorol | but it puts a limit on the rate at which a 24/7 person can progress |
| 02:11.53 | Legorol | and that's something new-ish |
| 02:12.00 | clad|afk | something postiive overall for the game |
| 02:12.05 | clad|afk | in my opinion |
| 02:12.18 | Legorol | true |
| 02:12.26 | JoshBorke | i agree with the n00b |
| 02:12.28 | Legorol | but i wish they did some form of diminishing returns instead, like with rested bonus |
| 02:12.29 | clad|afk | speed grinds help no one. |
| 02:12.37 | Legorol | if someone wants to grind 24/7, let them |
| 02:12.42 | clad|afk | Legorol: by capping it, they can allow more rep gain per quest turnin |
| 02:12.43 | Legorol | just penalise them for it |
| 02:12.46 | Legorol | they will still be able to do it |
| 02:12.52 | Legorol | clad|afk, i understand |
| 02:12.57 | zenzelezz | penalising them won't help the casuals |
| 02:13.00 | Legorol | i don't care if they make the rep gain 10th of what it is |
| 02:13.15 | Legorol | zenzelezz: what i mean is, up the rep gain on the first 10 turnins, and diminish it afterwards |
| 02:13.20 | Legorol | that'd make everyone happy |
| 02:13.46 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure, grinders aren't so easily discouraged |
| 02:13.58 | Legorol | it's not about discouraging grinders |
| 02:14.02 | Legorol | it's about rewarding the non-grinders |
| 02:14.09 | Legorol | hard cap is a very drastic way of discouraging |
| 02:14.22 | Legorol | it means "no, you are not allowed to do it anymore, even if you want to" |
| 02:14.34 | Legorol | i can understand it with raid lockouts and resets |
| 02:14.38 | Legorol | but rep grind? that's a bit drastic |
| 02:14.57 | Legorol | as i said, if you want to limit its rate, penalise it, but don't stop it outright with a hard cap |
| 02:15.18 | Legorol | anyway this is the wrong forum for venting |
| 02:15.52 | Legorol | hm, why is ~purl not working |
| 02:15.54 | Legorol | ~slap purl |
| 02:16.07 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:16.07 | Legorol | ~purl |
| 02:16.10 | purl | purl is, like, one awesome bot!, or very suggestible. |
| 02:16.10 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap Legorol |
| 02:16.13 | purl | ACTION beats Legorol upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 02:16.30 | Legorol | hm, what's the one for the URL to purl's logs |
| 02:16.47 | Legorol | this is the problem with storing info in purl's macros, i forget the name of the macro |
| 02:16.54 | zenzelezz | ~logs |
| 02:16.56 | purl | it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:17.01 | Legorol | aha |
| 02:17.02 | Legorol | thanks |
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| 02:20.34 | Legorol | question about /combatlog |
| 02:20.42 | Legorol | do i need to type that each session or does it persist across sessions |
| 02:20.56 | zenzelezz | think you need to do it every time |
| 02:21.04 | zenzelezz | but not completely sure |
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| 02:25.08 | Legorol | need to retype :( |
| 02:25.24 | leethal | get clsaver |
| 02:27.39 | Legorol | hey leethal! |
| 02:27.43 | leethal | yo |
| 02:27.47 | Legorol | what was that combat log parser you suggested yesterday? |
| 02:27.56 | Legorol | for post-mortem analysis after a wipe |
| 02:28.05 | leethal | http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/4821/clsaver/ =) |
| 02:28.10 | leethal | ah |
| 02:28.21 | leethal | http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/ |
| 02:32.21 | Legorol | ok do i need to upload the data to the website, or can i analyse it offline? |
| 02:32.30 | leethal | you can do it offline |
| 02:32.38 | Legorol | hm, i don't have JRE installed |
| 02:32.41 | leethal | click "Launch WWS now" |
| 02:32.42 | Legorol | that will be an issue |
| 02:32.43 | leethal | you need that |
| 02:33.01 | leethal | how can that be an issue? |
| 02:33.16 | leethal | did you make your own OS which for some reason don't support JRE? =P |
| 02:34.00 | Legorol | no it does support it, i just don't have it installed :o) |
| 02:34.31 | leethal | install then =) |
| 02:34.43 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 02:34.52 | Legorol | it's not as simple as you think |
| 02:35.06 | Legorol | that means i have to relog as admin, which means closing the two copies of WoW i'm running etc. |
| 02:37.44 | leethal | you can run stuff as admin, can't you? |
| 02:37.48 | leethal | what os are you on? |
| 02:37.56 | JoshBorke | safer to not run as admin |
| 02:38.24 | leethal | well, sudo on unix |
| 02:38.32 | leethal | and on win you can run processes an admin too me thinks |
| 02:42.43 | Legorol | leethal: you can't run stuff as admin when it involves clicking on a link on a webpage |
| 02:42.49 | Legorol | you can run an exe on your local disk as admin |
| 02:43.01 | leethal | you can download jre and do that |
| 02:43.09 | leethal | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html |
| 02:43.12 | Legorol | yeah well i just logged in as admin now |
| 02:43.17 | Legorol | ewewww, that's old! |
| 02:43.22 | Legorol | i want 1.6 |
| 02:43.25 | Legorol | anyway, i got it now |
| 02:44.27 | Legorol | btw, i don't understand why WWS page claims that on 80% of pages, the link should launch the app |
| 02:44.36 | Legorol | in the vast majority of windows machines i have seen, JRE is not installed |
| 02:45.34 | leethal | yeah, l2compile java peeps |
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| 03:00.26 | Legorol | leethal, this is very awesome |
| 03:00.34 | Legorol | i'm going to start recording our Kara raids from now on :o) |
| 03:02.04 | sioraiocht | <slifty> Your mom is so fat she sat on a binary tree and turned it into a linked list in constant time! |
| 03:02.10 | clad|afk | lol |
| 03:04.29 | Legorol | leethal, is there a way to have an offline copy of WWS? |
| 03:04.36 | Legorol | so that i don't have to go to the webpage each time to launch it? |
| 03:04.37 | leethal | don't think so |
| 03:04.44 | leethal | perhaps you can download it somewhere, not sure |
| 03:06.05 | clad|afk | wws? |
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| 03:09.19 | Garoun | Leg, I officially have you beat on idiocy in a KZ raid :( |
| 03:10.33 | Garoun | I was trying to figure out why one of our people was below me and our tank on DPS.... turns out he didn't have a single talent point spent... sigh |
| 03:11.20 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:11.56 | Garoun | he was doing 111.4 dps... ourprot war was at 111.3 |
| 03:12.06 | sysrage | lol |
| 03:12.26 | Garoun | so yeah, we basically 9 manned attumen and moroes is a bit much for 9 people :P |
| 03:12.36 | Garoun | gonna just clear the beast boss for the rep and call it a night |
| 03:13.08 | leethal | clad|afk: http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/ |
| 03:13.43 | leethal | Garoun: he hadn't spent any talent points? O_o |
| 03:13.51 | clad|afk | oh okay |
| 03:14.32 | Garoun | NONE |
| 03:14.37 | Garoun | 0/0/0 |
| 03:15.27 | leethal | Garoun: how did he manage to get kara attuned without any talents? |
| 03:15.38 | Garoun | he was destruction |
| 03:15.52 | Garoun | and was respeccing to Affliction... but said he never got the build from his friend |
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| 03:17.33 | leethal | oh |
| 03:22.13 | Arrowmaster | how the hell do you do 111.4 dps as a dps class without any talent? |
| 03:22.18 | Arrowmaster | was he naked too? |
| 03:22.29 | Garoun | he's a warlock |
| 03:22.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 03:22.37 | Garoun | so was just spamming shadowbolts |
| 03:22.44 | Garoun | don't ask me how :P I have no idea |
| 03:23.16 | Arrowmaster | thats not possible |
| 03:23.34 | Garoun | that was over everything up to moroes |
| 03:23.35 | Arrowmaster | max rank shadowbolt is like 600 with no gear |
| 03:23.53 | Garoun | he spent a lot fo time standing around, I believe |
| 03:23.58 | Arrowmaster | 600/3 is 200dps |
| 03:24.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah i bet |
| 03:25.26 | Garoun | he's up to 126.3 now |
| 03:27.08 | Arrowmaster | go him! |
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| 03:29.24 | Arrowmaster | tell him to atleast spec 5/0/10 since thats a basic part of almost every affliction build |
| 03:29.42 | Garoun | I thin he fixed it now |
| 03:29.48 | Arrowmaster | i bet he might break 150 dps with that |
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| 03:39.58 | Garoun | 140dps |
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| 04:31.26 | Legorol | Garoun: that's amusing indeed |
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| 05:00.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I know you guys love it so, now another select quote from Jack Thompson: |
| 05:00.39 | Kirkburn|afk | And in a letter sent to Bill Gates Wednesday, he wrote: "Mr. Gates, your company is potentially legally liable (for) the harm done at Virginia Tech. Your game, a killing simulator, according to the news that used to be in the Post, trained him to enjoy killing and how to kill." |
| 05:01.30 | Thrae | "Your game"? |
| 05:01.36 | Thrae | What, Halo? |
| 05:01.42 | Shadowed | Didn't they disbar him |
| 05:01.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was about to say that |
| 05:01.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Counter-Strike |
| 05:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | "what, halo?" |
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| 05:02.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow, JT's even more desperate than i thought |
| 05:02.07 | Kirkburn|afk | In the article this follows: "(Microsoft did not create "Counter Strike" but did publish a version of it for the Xbox. The company's representatives declined to comment on Thompson's letter. MSNBC.com is a Microsoft-NBC Universal joint venture.) " |
| 05:02.08 | Thrae | Microsoft owns the rights to Counter-Strike? |
| 05:02.14 | Kirkburn|afk | No, not at all |
| 05:02.15 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228/ |
| 05:03.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder if VALVe got a letter too |
| 05:03.22 | Thrae | That's kinda absurd. |
| 05:03.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | microsoft didn't even publish it |
| 05:03.22 | Thrae | I mean, more absurd then he usually is. |
| 05:03.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was turtle rock iirc |
| 05:03.22 | Shadowed | Thrae: And? :p |
| 05:03.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Kinda is an understatment :P |
| 05:03.22 | Shadowed | oh okay |
| 05:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait, no, MS Game studios published the xbox versioin |
| 05:03.56 | Thrae | He could probably find a judge to go after Valve, but not Microsoft |
| 05:03.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/oin/on |
| 05:04.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well, haha |
| 05:04.11 | Thrae | Who owns Valve? EA? |
| 05:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always mess up the syntax there |
| 05:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | no one anymore |
| 05:04.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | vivendi used to |
| 05:04.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | EA publishes their hard copies |
| 05:04.46 | Thrae | A game development company NOT owned by its publisher? OMG! |
| 05:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they have full rights through steam |
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| 05:05.10 | Cide | which is why valve is awesome |
| 05:05.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | EA gets 0% of the profits through steam |
| 05:05.51 | Thrae | That must be why EA likes to kill other online games through Mythic Entertainment and Origin System purchases -- they are all "Steam'd" up about Valve |
| 05:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | On July 18, 2005, Electronic Arts announced that they would be teaming up with Valve in a multi-year deal to distribute their games, replacing Vivendi Universal from 2005 onwards. |
| 05:06.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they're just a distributor |
| 05:06.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | guess what you get in the hardcopy of CS:S or HL2? |
| 05:06.51 | Thrae | Madden Sports 2023? |
| 05:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | a few cds or maybe a dvd with the game compressed with valve's GCF compression, a small file to move it to the steam folder, and a steam installer if it's not installed :O |
| 05:07.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | no manual |
| 05:07.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | manual, if there is one, is accessed through steam |
| 05:07.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye, Valve is a completely self-run business afaik |
| 05:07.20 | Thrae | Heh |
| 05:07.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Set up by ex-MS employees, in fact |
| 05:07.39 | Thrae | Ah right, I heard about that. |
| 05:08.06 | Thrae | It's the lesser of two evils. |
| 05:08.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love valve, they're really the only innovative developer other than maybe nintendo |
| 05:08.30 | Thrae | I would rather have a game development company run by ex-MS employees then run by its publisher. |
| 05:08.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | between tf2, portal, and left4dead |
| 05:08.54 | Thrae | MS Employees had the chance to learn from Microsoft's fantastic and evil buisness practices. |
| 05:08.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, thrae, tis why bill roper left blizzard |
| 05:09.29 | Thrae | Publishers are evil incarnate, development companies run by evil are not. |
| 05:09.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | not all publishers are |
| 05:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but a lot, yes |
| 05:09.55 | Thrae | s/run by evil/run by evil ex-employees/ |
| 05:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially EA and vivendi |
| 05:10.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Atm, Steam profit is split aruonf 60-40 to the developer |
| 05:10.18 | Kirkburn|afk | *around |
| 05:10.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | vivendi is the reason dynamix is no more :[ |
| 05:10.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on the game, kirk |
| 05:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | garry's getting 50-50 with garry's mod |
| 05:10.34 | Kirkburn|afk | It does, but that's what it's mostly moved towards now |
| 05:10.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Whereas via retail channels is way way WAY lower |
| 05:11.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | team garry gets 5 bucks for every game sold |
| 05:11.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Something like 10% to the developer, iirc? |
| 05:11.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it's awful |
| 05:11.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Hardly surprising how much stuff is appearing on Steam now |
| 05:11.29 | Thrae | I wonder if the reason Blizzard went with Vivendi is access to the European market...isn't Vivendi originally European? |
| 05:11.42 | Kirkburn|afk | It still is, french |
| 05:12.08 | Thrae | s/is /to get / |
| 05:12.08 | Kirkburn|afk | It's much bigger than just the Vivendi we know, too |
| 05:12.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they went with vivendi because they were a small company and vivendi had a lot of money waving around |
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| 05:12.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Vivendi does music, TV, film, publishing, telecoms, internet as well |
| 05:12.35 | Thrae | I thought Blizzard self-published before going with Vivendi. |
| 05:12.40 | Antiarc | WAAAAAAAAAAHOOO |
| 05:12.42 | Antiarc | I bought a new hard drive |
| 05:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | too bad they didn't know vivendi didn't know crap about gaming |
| 05:12.44 | Antiarc | Installed Fedora Core 6 |
| 05:12.49 | Antiarc | Mounted the old drive |
| 05:12.54 | Antiarc | And the files are there |
| 05:12.56 | Antiarc | They're ALL OVER |
| 05:12.58 | Antiarc | But they're there |
| 05:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, they did, but that was pre-starcraft, iirc, thrae |
| 05:13.20 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Seriously? I thought Vivendi came in around WC3 |
| 05:13.26 | Antiarc | And this is completely the wrong channel. |
| 05:14.00 | Cide | Antiarc: glad that the files are still there |
| 05:15.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, you gotta see www.doublefine.com ... Tim Shafer (guy behind Psychonauts, Grim Fandango) is awesome |
| 05:15.52 | Kirkburn|afk | His news items crack me up :) |
| 05:17.27 | Antiarc | Cide: I'd thought I'd lost my entire webserver |
| 05:17.31 | Antiarc | The filesystem exploded last night. |
| 05:18.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh also, Tim Shafer has a gorgeous cat |
| 05:19.04 | Kirkburn|afk | *Schafer |
| 05:19.56 | Kirkburn|afk | (see the spring 2006 news) |
| 05:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tim Shafer is insane |
| 05:20.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the good insane |
| 05:20.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | like Bjork |
| 05:20.43 | Kirkburn|afk | totally |
| 05:22.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Rofl - http://www.doublefine.com/comics/scott_comic.php3 |
| 05:25.01 | wobin_ | well, that's not his cat =) |
| 05:27.13 | Kirkburn|afk | The other one is |
| 05:27.20 | Kirkburn|afk | (futher down) |
| 05:28.21 | wobin_ | aww |
| 05:28.28 | wobin_ | IT'S A KITTY |
| 05:29.13 | wobin_ | s/IT'S/YOU'RE/ |
| 05:29.26 | wobin_ | http://a7.vox.com/6a00c2251fc04a604a00d4141f8def685e-pi |
| 05:29.50 | Thrae | I started with LAMP on this box I'm talking on right now, and added xubuntu since I use it as a workstation as well. |
| 05:30.15 | Thrae | xubuntu == xfce4, I love xfce4 |
| 05:32.16 | Kirkburn|afk | wobin_, lol, awesome |
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| 06:30.47 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge New Toc: 20100 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | The first step is admitting you have a problem - Mr_Rabies | RTFPN please. |
| 06:33.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Wish XChat reminded me of the old topic when they got updates :P |
| 06:37.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
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| 06:47.57 | Shirik | ??? |
| 06:48.03 | Shirik | "The first step is admitting you have a problem - Mr_Rabies" |
| 06:48.05 | Shirik | what's that about? |
| 06:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> non-porn is within the folder in which i save all my images. everything outside of non-porn/ is porn. <Mr_Rabies2> you know you may have a problem when instead of having a porn folder everything that's not porn gets a folder instead |
| 06:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> i don't have a problem. i have a hobby. >_> <Mr_Rabies2> the first step is admitting you have a problem |
| 06:49.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:54.46 | Shirik | so I've been watching this duel in gadgetzan |
| 06:54.48 | Shirik | still going on |
| 06:54.51 | Shirik | it's been 25 minutes |
| 06:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dueled a pally once for an hour and a half :[ |
| 06:58.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i eventually just gave up |
| 06:58.29 | Shirik | it has now been 28 minutes |
| 06:58.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it literally had no end in site |
| 06:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | sight* |
| 06:58.35 | Shirik | this is the same |
| 06:58.40 | Shirik | the rogue just keeps vanishing |
| 06:58.42 | Shirik | waiting for the CD |
| 06:58.49 | Shirik | the shaman just sits on his earthbind totem |
| 07:00.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much do you guys want to bet that deathwing is responsible for the infinite dragonflight :O |
| 07:00.28 | Shirik | my fort just ran out, and I put it on at the start of the duel >< |
| 07:01.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | Epoch hunter refers to "The master" |
| 07:01.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then there's this: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e240/duskmourn/BDF.jpg |
| 07:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, it's vague, but i wouldn't be surprised |
| 07:02.16 | Thrae | Rogue vs Shaman already has the Rogue at a disadvantage |
| 07:02.48 | Thrae | Hell, Shaman vs everything already has the everything at a disadvantage |
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| 08:08.42 | Mike-N-Go | How may I go about getting an interface I made removed? |
| 08:08.46 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7056-MikesGuildBareBonesAddOnPack.html |
| 08:09.20 | Mike-N-Go | The use of that what I put together is not longer viable. |
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| 08:24.05 | Mike-N-Go | Good night MentalPower|ZZzz ! |
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| 08:56.15 | Thordon | Hi, does anyone know of a way to get the random stats of a green item, the item that the itemid describes doesnt seem to contain them? |
| 09:13.37 | nevcairiel | Thordon: there is a suffixid |
| 09:14.02 | Thordon | Ill take a look, thanks :) |
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| 09:50.51 | boris`` | hello |
| 09:51.25 | boris`` | i wish to write a mod that calls a framexml element's .xml widget event handler |
| 09:51.30 | boris`` | is that possible? |
| 09:53.39 | wereHamster | Frame:GetScript("OnEvent")() |
| 09:53.50 | boris`` | great, thanks |
| 09:54.04 | boris`` | i should pass args to it, right? |
| 09:54.25 | wereHamster | yes, just like WoW.exe does when calling the OnEvent handler |
| 09:54.48 | Tem|AFK | I wouldn't suggest doing that, though |
| 09:55.03 | wereHamster | .. means: set event, arg1-9 global variables and also pass those to the called function |
| 09:55.10 | Tem|AFK | most of the time it won't work properly because this won't be set to the proper value |
| 09:55.29 | Tem|AFK | and if you set the this global, you run the risk of tainting the hell out of your ui |
| 09:56.05 | boris`` | Tem|AFK: well, i'm writing a mod for the worldmap frame, and i want to trigger WorldMap's OnKeyDown script |
| 10:02.25 | boris`` | wait, i can set arg1-arg9 without tainting everything? |
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| 10:39.47 | ckknight | boris``: no, it'll taint everything |
| 10:39.51 | ckknight | theoretically. |
| 10:40.17 | ckknight | I know event does. |
| 10:44.45 | boris`` | ok |
| 10:44.50 | boris`` | that's actually alright i think |
| 10:44.56 | boris`` | in this case anyway |
| 10:45.05 | boris`` | is the current interface 6546? |
| 10:50.23 | haste | 20003 |
| 10:53.14 | boris`` | ty |
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| 11:41.29 | Groll | http://www.fileplanet.com/ lol :D:D:D |
| 11:42.13 | leethal | what about it? |
| 11:43.18 | Groll | check it :P |
| 11:43.22 | Groll | <-- shaman :P |
| 11:44.00 | Seigi | im missing ur point entirely.. |
| 11:44.14 | Groll | check the wowpatch stuff |
| 11:44.26 | Groll | at the topleft kinda in the center part |
| 11:44.37 | Seigi | shaman arent really buffed to be fair |
| 11:44.58 | Groll | it doesnt say they are.. it requests buffs |
| 11:45.11 | Seigi | ah like so |
| 11:45.15 | Groll | :P |
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| 12:13.52 | leethal | is there such a thing as a RP server without 80% leet people? |
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| 15:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What's that addon that everyone is using now, which does the !gem and !enchant whisper stuff? |
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| 15:31.08 | nevcairiel | !gem is GemList |
| 15:31.12 | nevcairiel | !enchant EnchantList |
| 15:31.16 | nevcairiel | not sure if there is one for both |
| 15:31.41 | ScytheBlade1 | EnchantList is what I want. Hot. |
| 15:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 15:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, here's one called CraftList |
| 15:53.34 | ravagernl | Who can add 3 itemid's to pt3? |
| 15:53.38 | ravagernl | or ehm |
| 15:53.40 | ravagernl | nvm |
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| 15:55.15 | kaiden^ | Anyone know of an ace based addon for guild management, or really any addon for guild management. I know there used to be one called MetaGuild but it hasn't worked in a few months. |
| 15:55.45 | Shirik | why ace based.. |
| 15:56.03 | kaiden^ | Shirik, did you not see the or really any addon for guild management right after that? |
| 15:56.12 | Shirik | and what does "guild management" do? Like add/remove members? |
| 15:56.53 | Shirik | Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that you mentioned it at all ;) |
| 15:56.56 | kaiden^ | MetaGuild was a complete guild management suite, just an alternate interface for viewing members promoting demoting, managing ranks, adding / removing and had dkp management |
| 15:57.03 | kaiden^ | and raid management etc |
| 15:57.10 | kaiden^ | dont really care about the dkp / raid management |
| 15:57.20 | kaiden^ | just figured there was an all inclusive interface for the other stuff |
| 15:57.30 | Shirik | hm, can't say I really ever seen anything like that |
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| 17:15.50 | Nom- | Anyone heard anything regarding alchemists being able to change specialties? |
| 17:19.06 | nevcairiel | i think it should be possible in 2.1 |
| 17:19.16 | nevcairiel | buy a change with gold |
| 17:20.10 | Shirik | I believe they said that's only for leatherworking and tailoring |
| 17:21.05 | Shirik | "You can now unspecialize in tailoring and leatherworking, and then select a new specialization. This is a repeatable choice, but costs gold each time. " |
| 17:25.06 | Shirik | clad|afk you here? |
| 17:25.08 | wereHamster | Nom-, only alchemy or all proffesions? |
| 17:25.25 | Shirik | or Cairenn|afk |
| 17:25.50 | wereHamster | why not blacksmithing?? :( |
| 17:26.05 | Shirik | Because only tools learn blacksmithing! |
| 17:26.07 | zenzelezz | they already can |
| 17:26.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:26.13 | Shirik | that too |
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| 17:28.04 | Nom- | you can already change BS profesions |
| 17:28.46 | Nom- | I plan to get my alt to 70 eventually, but I'd like to pick up transmute mastery until I hit 70 and can do the quests for potion mastery |
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| 17:29.56 | Shirik | what should I go for nom? |
| 17:30.02 | Shirik | you recommend one way or the other? |
| 17:30.09 | Jumpee | Shirik, did you know you are mia? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97671063&sid=1 |
| 17:30.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:30.28 | Shirik | o.o |
| 17:30.35 | Jumpee | lol |
| 17:30.44 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 17:30.57 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:31.46 | Shirik | I guess I haven't posted on the forums in a while... |
| 17:32.10 | Jumpee | ah fame. |
| 17:35.09 | Nom- | well if i don't get the chnace to change later |
| 17:35.15 | Nom- | i'll probably go potion master |
| 17:35.37 | Nom- | elixirs are getting badly nerfed this next patch, so potionsn are going to be more useful |
| 17:36.18 | Jumpee | My Shaman uses mana potions like candy so I went Potion Master. |
| 17:36.30 | Shirik | what does a potion master get? |
| 17:36.32 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:36.38 | Shirik | is there some place I can read the difference? |
| 17:36.49 | Jumpee | just extra potions once in a while |
| 17:37.27 | Jumpee | Whatever mastery you choose, you get random extras of that ilk. |
| 17:37.31 | Cairenn|afk | yay for putting patio furniture out! |
| 17:37.38 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=51633#post51633 |
| 17:38.05 | Shirik | and yey :D |
| 17:38.09 | Nom- | lol it's the same on each one |
| 17:38.42 | Nom- | they all give you a chance of getting 1-4 extrra items |
| 17:38.49 | Shirik | even for transmute? |
| 17:38.56 | Shirik | so like if you're transmuting you might make 4 :D |
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| 17:41.26 | Nom- | you might make 5 |
| 17:41.32 | Nom- | up to 4 extra |
| 17:42.02 | Cairenn|afk | put the canopy back on my gazebo, set up the furniture, put my flag back out - happy Cairenn! |
| 17:42.12 | Nom- | so far my guild alchemists have observed about a 10-15% bonus |
| 17:42.13 | Shirik | Yey :D |
| 17:42.20 | Shirik | I wish I had a canopy |
| 17:42.22 | Shirik | or a gazebo |
| 17:42.26 | Shirik | or a flag |
| 17:42.33 | Shirik | I do have a chair and a bed though |
| 17:42.50 | Nom- | so if you're making 20 pots, you might end up with 2-3 procs from that |
| 17:42.59 | Nom- | which will generate between 1 and 4 extra |
| 17:43.09 | Shadowed | Shirik: Stop slacking go get a flying mount |
| 17:43.12 | Nom- | best we've seen is 32 from mats for 20 |
| 17:43.14 | Shirik | bleh |
| 17:43.37 | Nom- | the annoying part is the proc rate is the same for transmute |
| 17:43.47 | Shirik | Shadowed: I do too much coding to have money for that |
| 17:43.48 | Nom- | Some transmute masters have gone weeks without seeing a proc |
| 17:43.56 | Shadowed | What happened to your gold from leveling |
| 17:44.10 | Shirik | mighta blown it all on JC |
| 17:44.18 | Shadowed | ~lart Shirik |
| 17:44.18 | purl | hits Shirik with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 17:44.20 | Nom- | oh well, going to sleep |
| 17:44.28 | Nom- | need sleep for raid tomorrow :) |
| 17:44.44 | Shirik | night Nom- |
| 17:44.46 | Nom- | got me a new healing bracer and weapon tonight :) |
| 17:44.51 | Nom- | so sweet :D |
| 17:45.00 | Nom- | zzz now |
| 17:45.26 | Cairenn|afk | night Nom-, sweet dreams |
| 17:45.39 | JoshBorke | purl hug Cairenn|afk |
| 17:45.43 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 17:45.46 | Cairenn|afk | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 17:45.48 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBorke's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBorke |
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| 18:00.17 | croi | Gutantag, was curious if there was another way to check if a player is in range besides using the Heavy Netherweave Bandage trick? |
| 18:00.22 | Shirik | range of what? |
| 18:00.43 | croi | in range of where I am |
| 18:00.46 | sioraiocht | croi, where's your name from? |
| 18:01.08 | Shirik | um |
| 18:01.11 | Shirik | In what range? |
| 18:01.19 | croi | like in yards |
| 18:01.25 | Shirik | like the absolute distance? |
| 18:01.25 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 18:01.30 | croi | yeah |
| 18:01.32 | croi | absolute distance |
| 18:01.37 | Shirik | You can only do it with http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsSpellInRange |
| 18:01.49 | Shirik | Estimate between various spells |
| 18:02.35 | croi | great thanks |
| 18:02.57 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4658-RangeMeter.html |
| 18:03.17 | Cairenn|afk | out of date, but you might be able to get some ideas from it |
| 18:03.20 | Shirik | I use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6614-ZRangeCheck.html personally |
| 18:04.02 | croi | ty both |
| 18:10.52 | foxlit | CheckInteractDistance |
| 18:11.20 | foxlit | Getting yards out is evil, though. |
| 18:11.36 | Shirik | ok mix CheckInteractDistance with IsSpellInRange |
| 18:11.52 | nevcairiel | IsItemInRange with bandages is good too |
| 18:12.06 | Industrial | \o/ http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7091-zQuestAutomation.html |
| 18:12.08 | Shirik | well the general theory is the same :P |
| 18:12.22 | krka | for party and raid members, you can get exact distance when outside of instances |
| 18:12.24 | Shirik | zomg Industrial has a mod out |
| 18:12.30 | krka | last time i played anyway |
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| 18:15.29 | foxlit | Not quite |
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| 18:16.16 | foxlit | You need a list of scales for the overworld maps to do that; GetPlayerMapPosition works, though. |
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| 18:18.27 | krka | i am quite familiar with the details - i wrote such an addon |
| 18:20.27 | croi | well the reason I'm asking for something to give me if the player is in range was because I can't figure out how to get the player's subzone text. For instance, if a player is in the raid and they're in a differnet part of an instance, I want to find out their name and call them out on vent - Does GetPlayerMapPosition work in instances? |
| 18:21.38 | croi | "The player is inside an instance: the game will never return coordinates inside an instance" |
| 18:21.39 | croi | nope |
| 18:21.40 | krka | no |
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| 18:31.33 | Lysistrata | Is there someway to get the data which is displayed on this page (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html) as a XML File. Does anyone know something about that? |
| 18:39.09 | leethal | Lysistrata: yeah, parse the HTML and hope they don't change it =) |
| 18:39.25 | Lysistrata | I thought so ... gee ... |
| 18:39.54 | leethal | I wish they had a super great web-app that could go http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.xml |
| 18:40.16 | leethal | but if it's something they don't have, it's a super great web app |
| 18:41.58 | Lysistrata | Well it would be much cooler if they just got a "dungeons.xml" which also contains the raid encounters etc. but yeha they don't have something like that. So you got to do it all by yourself. |
| 18:43.36 | leethal | if they have a proper database, adding .xml is liek super easy mode |
| 18:45.41 | Lysistrata | Well I guess I just need to come up with a way to parse the Dungeon Pages or collect the data myself. |
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| 18:46.53 | leethal | yeah.. all of the "blocks" have equal html, so it shouldn't be that hard |
| 18:47.31 | leethal | they do some silly stuff though |
| 18:47.38 | leethal | look at this O in "once" - <img src = "/shared/wow-com/images/smallcaps/blue/o.gif" align="left"> |
| 18:47.41 | leethal | no alt text or anything |
| 18:49.01 | Lysistrata | Still it's not that hard as the the file is "o.gif" so just cut of the .gif and it should be fine. But I just noticed that the Page isn't of that much use anyway I also need a list of the bosses which are within the instances so I got to create a list on my own I guess. |
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| 18:49.49 | leethal | wowhead? =P |
| 18:50.10 | leethal | http://www.wowhead.com/?zones=2 has it all |
| 18:50.22 | leethal | probably 100 times easier to parse |
| 18:52.23 | Lysistrata | Hey thanks! That should make it much easier. |
| 18:52.23 | leethal | you'll have a problem with all that javascript though |
| 18:52.45 | leethal | but they have a system |
| 18:53.09 | leethal | ?zone=6666#z0zc for heroic drops, for instance |
| 18:53.16 | leethal | #00zc for normal mode drops |
| 18:53.35 | Shirik | hehe |
| 18:53.42 | Shirik | that javascript isn't actually too too bad |
| 18:53.49 | Shirik | after you understand it, it's a really simple system |
| 18:54.01 | leethal | cool |
| 18:54.07 | leethal | wowhead rocks, so I'm not surprised =) |
| 18:54.18 | Lysistrata | All I need is the Instance Name, Instance Level and Bosses so I just need to parse the page and for every linke ?zone=NUM#z0z |
| 18:54.23 | leethal | yeah |
| 18:54.37 | leethal | or no |
| 18:55.00 | leethal | all you need is looping through http://www.wowhead.com/?zones=2 |
| 18:55.25 | leethal | and perhaps http://www.wowhead.com/?zones=3 if you want those |
| 18:55.58 | leethal | or you can just store the IDs yourself |
| 18:56.09 | Lysistrata | Still I need to parse zone=NUM#z0Z to get the bosses. |
| 18:56.33 | leethal | yeah |
| 18:57.43 | leethal | it's just below <div id="lv"><i>Loading...</i></div> in the html |
| 18:57.47 | leethal | one line of JS vars =) |
| 18:58.12 | Lysistrata | Yeha I already noticed that, just makes it easier to parse! |
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| 20:59.26 | leethal | yawn |
| 20:59.32 | Shirik | RAWR! |
| 20:59.43 | JoshBorke | oink |
| 21:00.10 | leethal | k |
| 21:00.17 | JoshBorke | l |
| 21:02.05 | leethal | huntards + fist weapons = X |
| 21:02.07 | leethal | what is X? |
| 21:02.15 | JoshBorke | smart? |
| 21:02.25 | leethal | possible? |
| 21:02.26 | Industrial | depends on the stats? |
| 21:02.36 | JoshBorke | word question mark |
| 21:02.36 | Industrial | dunno |
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| 21:03.09 | KevICG | heya all. anybody got a sec for a quick question about getting a player's guild info? |
| 21:03.12 | Garoun | ! - Quest available for better gear |
| 21:03.18 | Garoun | to leethal that is :) |
| 21:03.23 | Shirik | KevICG: This is IRC. Don't ask to ask. Just ask it. |
| 21:03.30 | KevICG | fair nuff |
| 21:04.08 | KevICG | lemme make a pastey |
| 21:05.02 | Shirik | btw, wrt the earlier question leethal |
| 21:05.22 | Shirik | X is quite obviously 10^log(huntards)*10^log(fist weapons) |
| 21:05.34 | leethal | oh, I see |
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| 21:06.40 | KevICG | shirik for some reason it lost some of my spacing, but http://wowi.pastey.net/15056 |
| 21:07.04 | KevICG | the problem is that even though I'm guilded, during intialization I'll come up unguilded |
| 21:07.55 | Shirik | if you change to lua encoding your spacing comes back :) |
| 21:08.28 | Shirik | you mean in InitializeData() you're unguilded? |
| 21:08.47 | KevICG | http://wowi.pastey.net/15057 |
| 21:08.53 | KevICG | that's with the spacing |
| 21:09.01 | KevICG | yeppers |
| 21:09.05 | Shirik | oh you didn't have to do that, you can change it at the top :P |
| 21:09.10 | KevICG | hah |
| 21:09.14 | KevICG | still learning |
| 21:10.03 | Shirik | thank you for using a namespace btw |
| 21:10.19 | Kevorkian | thank you for showing me how |
| 21:10.38 | leethal | namespace = self, this and friends? |
| 21:10.57 | Kevorkian | nah, it's a blank line at the top of the file to put the author name ;) |
| 21:10.59 | Shirik | sec, in a instance I'll explain leethal |
| 21:11.29 | Shirik | group has horrible boss timing |
| 21:11.36 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: what's the problem? |
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| 21:13.16 | Kevorkian | http://wowi.pastey.net/15059 that's it with the "GetMyGuild" function. Josh, the problem is that i come back from that unguilded |
| 21:13.30 | Kevorkian | when I am most certainly in a guild |
| 21:15.16 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 21:15.21 | JoshBorke | not being in a guild i can't really check easily... |
| 21:15.34 | leethal | try to find a guild roster perhaps? |
| 21:15.39 | Kevorkian | incidentally josh, this is a test app for my comm library. I reckon it's easier to pass along kill stats than event data |
| 21:16.34 | Kevorkian | will basically update guild stats every 1, 10, or 100 kills and that'll be my comm events. |
| 21:16.57 | Kevorkian | and the entire guild should be seeing the same overall guild stats |
| 21:17.34 | Kevorkian | I call the guildroster leethal |
| 21:17.42 | Kevorkian | GuildRoster(); |
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| 21:19.42 | JoshBorke | i don't know that GetGuildInfo("player") is supposed to work |
| 21:20.55 | clad|afk | Shirik: whats up |
| 21:20.56 | JoshBorke | then again, i've never seen it before :-D |
| 21:21.03 | clad|afk | Shirik: i've been working on my house |
| 21:21.07 | Shirik | ah nm |
| 21:21.14 | clad|afk | whats up |
| 21:21.38 | Kevorkian | josh: how would you go about getting guild information? |
| 21:22.09 | Shirik | was just a spam post |
| 21:22.18 | clad|afk | did someone get it? |
| 21:22.21 | Shirik | yeh |
| 21:22.34 | Shirik | go back to whatever you were doing :) |
| 21:22.39 | Shirik | thanks though |
| 21:24.05 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: what does GuildInfo return? |
| 21:24.30 | Kevorkian | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetGuildInfo |
| 21:24.38 | Kevorkian | you mean GetGuildInfo? |
| 21:25.18 | JoshBorke | no |
| 21:25.22 | JoshBorke | just GuildInfo |
| 21:26.41 | Kevorkian | sec, lemme restart the client |
| 21:28.44 | Kevorkian | when the client comes up, by that time GuildInfo() returns the correct data |
| 21:29.12 | Kevorkian | but I have that Note that prints during login and it tells me I'm unguilded. Is it that I need to do it at some other event time? app initialized? |
| 21:29.37 | Kevorkian | I'm doing it at login and that don't seem to work so well |
| 21:29.42 | foxlit | Wait for PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD before you call it the first time? |
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| 21:32.01 | Eternally777 | ~seen Tuller |
| 21:32.26 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-71-197-14-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 2m 12s ago, saying: 'probably for the same reason I took out categories from bagnon'. |
| 21:32.27 | Kevorkian | trying that fox |
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| 21:34.12 | Kevorkian | foxlit: nope |
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| 21:34.13 | Garoun | thanks for activating mana and adding lifebloom Clad :) |
| 21:34.14 | JoshBorke | i do my IsInGuild() GuildRosterUpdate() during OnLoad |
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| 21:35.26 | Kevorkian | alas, I'm getting tanked by my eldest son, he wants to play outside, I'll try that when I get back |
| 21:35.39 | cladhaire | np Garoun |
| 21:36.12 | Garoun | I like your method of doing the mana bar :) |
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| 21:52.05 | clad|afk | Garoun: what do you mean? |
| 21:54.15 | Garoun | rather than having a switch for off on and a slider, you combined the two :) |
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| 21:57.55 | Eternally777 | Can anyone recommend a good file comparison utility for Windows? |
| 21:58.12 | foxlit | Compare It! |
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| 22:00.00 | Garoun | winmerge eternally |
| 22:00.08 | Garoun | open source and good at what it doe s:) |
| 22:03.18 | Cide | BeyondCompare 2 |
| 22:03.22 | Cide | is awesome |
| 22:04.06 | Eternally777 | Cide: It costs money as well. :-P |
| 22:04.49 | Cide | you didn't ask for a free file comparison utility, only a good one |
| 22:05.19 | Eternally777 | Cide: Touché |
| 22:05.28 | JoshBorke | s/h/he/ |
| 22:06.15 | Eternally777 | JoshBorke: Did my 'e' not show up for you? |
| 22:06.37 | zenzelezz | did here |
| 22:06.46 | haste | did here |
| 22:06.52 | haste | utf-8 ftw |
| 22:06.57 | JoshBorke | didn't :-( |
| 22:06.59 | JoshBorke | i say Touch? |
| 22:07.04 | JoshBorke | s/y/w/ |
| 22:07.24 | zenzelezz | I find your lack of UTF-8 disturbing |
| 22:07.35 | Eternally777 | I use 'Alt+130' for the 'e' with an accent. :-) |
| 22:07.36 | JoshBorke | that's ok, i find your face disturbing |
| 22:07.37 | haste | Gaim, would have thought that it had utf-8 support at least |
| 22:07.38 | JoshBorke | oooo, burn |
| 22:07.50 | Eternally777 | ooo, I felt the heat from that one over here. |
| 22:08.05 | zenzelezz | at least someone did |
| 22:08.23 | zenzelezz | that's the second day in a row someone has done a "burn" that I don't find at all offensive |
| 22:08.58 | Eternally777 | zenzelezz: I think it was a joke. :-P |
| 22:09.15 | zenzelezz | your face is a joke ;-o |
| 22:09.18 | zenzelezz | but yeah |
| 22:09.30 | Eternally777 | zenzelezz: I don't get it. |
| 22:09.37 | zenzelezz | I'm just not very into the "burn" thing, being Norwegian |
| 22:09.38 | JoshBorke | oooo, burn! |
| 22:09.44 | JoshBorke | too many fires? |
| 22:09.59 | Eternally777 | haha |
| 22:10.08 | JoshBorke | bad memories? |
| 22:10.27 | zenzelezz | nope, it's just not a part of the average Norwegian humor |
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| 22:31.20 | Bleeter | haste: gaim/pidgin does support utf-8 |
| 22:31.35 | haste | poke JoshBorke about it! |
| 22:32.36 | JoshBorke | wha?! |
| 22:32.37 | Bleeter | ah, well if he's using wingaim, then it's more than likely a windows problem ;) |
| 22:33.40 | Bleeter | typically, lack of UTF-8 displaying in wingaim is an issue with Win's crappy UTF support. |
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| 22:34.18 | Bleeter | Don't quote me exactly, but iirc if a UTF char isn't available in the current font, it won't fall back to displaying it in some secondary font ... or something like that |
| 22:34.28 | haste | Doesn't Windows use utf-16 for everything? |
| 22:34.30 | Bleeter | generally it's fixed just by installing every single dang font available ;) |
| 22:35.25 | Bleeter | haste: dunno... I don't 'do' windows ;) |
| 22:35.33 | haste | neither do I :p |
| 22:37.08 | Eternally777 | Would 10 large tables (~10k indexes each) take up more memory than 10k individual tables w/ 10 indexes each? Or would it come out about even? |
| 22:37.27 | Cide | try it :) |
| 22:37.40 | Eternally777 | bah I knew I'd get that response. |
| 22:37.42 | Cide | I'm almost positive the former is more effective |
| 22:38.52 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:38.52 | Cide | Cide: 291 |
| 22:39.01 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:39.01 | Cide | Cide: 42 |
| 22:39.09 | Cide | uhm |
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| 22:40.56 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: what do you think? |
| 22:40.59 | Cide | <Eternally777> Would 10 large tables (~10k indexes each) take up more memory than 10k individual tables w/ 10 indexes each? Or would it come out about even? |
| 22:41.29 | Shirik|Ecole | my guess is the latter would be larger, but there's one easy way to find out |
| 22:41.35 | Cide | I thought so too |
| 22:41.37 | Cide | but |
| 22:41.40 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:41.40 | Cide | Cide: 291 |
| 22:41.44 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:41.44 | Cide | Cide: 42 |
| 22:41.53 | Cide | see any error(s) in my tests? |
| 22:42.02 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 22:42.06 | Shirik|Ecole | you need to turn GC off |
| 22:42.11 | Cide | oh |
| 22:42.19 | Cide | ~bonk Cide |
| 22:42.31 | purl | ACTION bonks Cide over the head |
| 22:42.31 | Cide | ~slap Cide |
| 22:42.33 | purl | ACTION slaps Cide, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:42.43 | Cide | >>> collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:42.43 | Cide | Cide: 2596 |
| 22:43.02 | Cide | >>> collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo() |
| 22:43.02 | Cide | Cide: 2848 |
| 22:43.07 | Shirik|Ecole | and there ya go |
| 22:43.17 | Cide | ya, a bit larger |
| 22:43.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't think it would be a big difference |
| 22:43.33 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's larger nonetheless |
| 22:44.15 | Cide | I was rather perplexed when I first tested it :P |
| 22:44.19 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 22:44.32 | Shirik|Ecole | your test makes perfect sense though :P |
| 22:44.38 | Shirik|Ecole | the larger table is larger |
| 22:44.38 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 22:44.50 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:46.24 | Shirik|Ecole | So Eternally777 there's your answer :) |
| 22:46.32 | Shirik|Ecole | how old is that question? |
| 22:48.47 | Eternally777 | Hmm, I got radically different readings. |
| 22:49.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Eternally777: It can depend on your testing methodolgy |
| 22:49.28 | Shirik|Ecole | s/methodolgy/methodology/ |
| 22:50.04 | Shirik|Ecole | how did you test it? |
| 22:50.37 | Eternally777 | Nevermind, I found out why. :-) |
| 22:51.20 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gcinfo()-gc; |
| 22:51.20 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 2561 |
| 22:51.37 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do tinsert(v, true); end end return gc-gcinfo() |
| 22:51.38 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: -2813 |
| 22:51.43 | Shirik|Ecole | oops |
| 22:51.45 | Shirik|Ecole | but yeah |
| 22:52.23 | Cide | >>> gcinfo() |
| 22:52.24 | Cide | Cide: 35 |
| 22:53.00 | Shirik|Ecole | just wanted to make sure the two weren't stacking on top of each other :P |
| 22:53.37 | Eternally777 | http://ace.pastey.net/15144 < That's how I did it. |
| 22:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | is this within wow? |
| 22:54.29 | Eternally777 | It will be. I'm just playing with the concept in SciTE right now though. |
| 22:54.36 | Cide | you're creating 10k unique strings |
| 22:54.40 | Cide | that'll take up a lot of space |
| 22:54.51 | Cide | as opposed to just the table entries themselves |
| 22:54.51 | Eternally777 | They will be 10k unique strings though. |
| 22:54.58 | Shirik|Ecole | woah woah |
| 22:54.58 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 22:55.03 | Eternally777 | So I thought it would be more realistic... |
| 22:55.07 | Shirik|Ecole | but you're talking about making 10k hashes vs 10k indices |
| 22:55.16 | Cide | *and* 10k strings |
| 22:55.19 | Shirik|Ecole | which is very differnet |
| 22:55.22 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah and 10k strings |
| 22:55.40 | Eternally777 | Oh yeah, one second. |
| 22:55.57 | Shirik|Ecole | correction |
| 22:56.01 | Shirik|Ecole | 100k hashes vs 100k indices |
| 22:58.43 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do v[y] = "a"; end end print(gcinfo()-gc); gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do v[y] = "a"; end end print(gcinfo()-gc); |
| 22:58.43 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 2560, 2813 |
| 22:58.52 | Shirik|Ecole | hm... |
| 22:59.09 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10000, 1 do v["i"..y] = "a"; end end print(gcinfo()-gc); gc = gcinfo(); collectgarbage"stop" for i = 1, 10000, 1 do local v = { }; for y = 1, 10, 1 do v["i"..y] = "a"; end end print(gcinfo()-gc); |
| 22:59.10 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 5664, 5313 |
| 22:59.18 | Shirik|Ecole | see the radically different numbers ;) |
| 23:00.59 | Eternally777 | Yeah |
| 23:01.02 | Shirik|Ecole | it's important to figure out what kind of table you're going to be creating because it /will/ affect your results |
| 23:02.01 | Eternally777 | If the table uses numbers as keys... meh I don't know how to ask this... |
| 23:02.31 | Shirik|Ecole | put simply... numbered key = index, non-numerical key = hash |
| 23:02.43 | Eternally777 | Ok, that's what I thought. |
| 23:03.08 | Eternally777 | Anyway, hash-tables are larger than numerically indexed tables. Correct? |
| 23:03.20 | Shirik|Ecole | correct |
| 23:03.42 | Shirik|Ecole | given they're storing the same information, of course |
| 23:04.39 | Eternally777 | Ok, just to be concrete, { [1] = true, [3] = true } is still not a hash table even though it's missing a '2' key? |
| 23:04.57 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 23:05.02 | JoshBorke | why wouldn't it be a hash table? |
| 23:05.05 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> #{[1] = true, [3] = true} |
| 23:05.06 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 1 |
| 23:05.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Eternally777: Now you're getting into why I said "put simply" because it's really not that simple >< |
| 23:05.33 | Cide | you can have both hash and non-hash parts in tables I'm pretty sure |
| 23:05.38 | Cide | so it's not that easy to decide |
| 23:05.43 | Shirik|Ecole | as you can see |
| 23:05.48 | Shirik|Ecole | when I asked for the size of that table |
| 23:05.54 | Shirik|Ecole | you didn't get a 0 but you didn't get a 2 either |
| 23:05.55 | Eternally777 | My table will be missing random numbers :-( |
| 23:06.05 | Shirik|Ecole | but... |
| 23:06.08 | Eternally777 | Yeah, which is why I wasn't sure. |
| 23:06.17 | Eternally777 | table.maxn gets you 3 though ^^ |
| 23:06.19 | Shirik|Ecole | one benefit of not using strings as indexes is that you're not wasting a ton of space |
| 23:06.31 | Shirik|Ecole | strings are much larger than integers |
| 23:06.51 | Cide | for example |
| 23:06.59 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> return table.maxn({[1] = true, [3] = true}); |
| 23:06.59 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 3 |
| 23:07.02 | Cide | >>> gc = gcinfo() collectgarbage"stop" t = { }; for i = 1, 10000, 1 do t[i] = true; end return gcinfo()-gc |
| 23:07.02 | Cide | Cide: 256 |
| 23:07.04 | Eternally777 | I was always curious about that. Everyone just told me "You won't notice a difference." though. heh. |
| 23:07.07 | Cide | >>> gc = gcinfo() collectgarbage"stop" t = { }; for i = 1, 10000, 2 do t[i] = true; end return gcinfo()-gc |
| 23:07.07 | Cide | Cide: 256 |
| 23:08.02 | Cide | >>> gc = gcinfo() collectgarbage"stop" t = { }; for i = 1, 10000, 1 do t[tostring(i)] = true; end return gcinfo()-gc |
| 23:08.02 | Cide | Cide: 778 |
| 23:08.10 | Cide | >>> gc = gcinfo() collectgarbage"stop" t = { }; for i = 1, 10000, 2 do t[tostring(i)] = true; end return gcinfo()-gc |
| 23:08.10 | Cide | Cide: 388 |
| 23:08.19 | AnduinLothar | Gruul Down, whee |
| 23:08.19 | Cide | pretty big differences |
| 23:08.29 | Shirik|Ecole | AnduinLothar: Grats |
| 23:09.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Eternally777: There's two reasons you've been told that |
| 23:10.15 | Shirik|Ecole | (1) (The simple reason) in general, you won't, because tables aren't big enough to make a huge difference |
| 23:11.01 | Shirik|Ecole | (2) (unfortunately) many WoW addon authors aren't professional coders, and while there are many non-professionals that are very good at what they do, there are also some out there that don't care about memory usage or performance enough |
| 23:11.17 | nevcairiel | or dont even know about it :P |
| 23:11.40 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 23:13.56 | Shirik|Ecole | JoshBorke: This is a strange question |
| 23:14.03 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 23:14.06 | Shirik|Ecole | you remember that metatable I made yesterday? |
| 23:14.12 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 23:14.20 | Shirik|Ecole | did you happen to copy it or something >< |
| 23:14.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:14.34 | JoshBorke | ~logs |
| 23:14.42 | purl | i heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 23:14.43 | Shirik|Ecole | wait nm it's still up there |
| 23:14.53 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah I thought it would have been wiped from pastey |
| 23:15.25 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks though :) |
| 23:15.52 | JoshBorke | i'm curious though |
| 23:16.08 | JoshBorke | could it be done without creating a sub table in every table you set the metatable for |
| 23:16.15 | JoshBorke | ie use one proxy table for multiple tables |
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| 23:16.33 | Eternally777 | Ok, well thanks for the info Cide and Shirik|Ecole :-) |
| 23:16.36 | Shirik|Ecole | anything "can" be done :P |
| 23:16.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Eternally777: Did you figure out what you want to do? |
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| 23:20.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ok I'm going to draw up the circuit diagram and we'll include that so he knows how to hook it up too |
| 23:20.43 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart me |
| 23:20.43 | purl | rm -rf's shirik|ecole |
| 23:23.13 | Eternally777 | Shirik|Ecole: Yeah, I guess I'm going for the 10 big tables. |
| 23:23.34 | Shirik|Ecole | so long as you use integral indexes that's probably the best way to go |
| 23:23.55 | Eternally777 | Yep :-) |
| 23:24.12 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway, I'm out for a bit... take care |
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| 23:46.06 | Industrial | Whats wrong with my nickname? |
| 23:47.27 | Depherios | objectively? |
| 23:47.42 | foxlit | It's an adjective. |
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| 23:49.02 | Industrial | no subjectively |
| 23:49.56 | Garoun | anyone know if you can do the beast bosses multiple timesin a given reset? |
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