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| 00:27.40 | TC_Working | seems to be a little dead in here |
| 00:28.19 | zenzelezz | we're just experimenting with telepathy |
| 00:28.22 | zenzelezz | you obviously failed |
| 00:28.40 | TC_Working | hardly...you simply didnt hear my response |
| 00:28.56 | TC_Working | it's not my fault you can project but not receive |
| 00:29.10 | zenzelezz | then you lied in your first sentence |
| 00:29.36 | TC_Working | no, it is dead in here....telepathy or not |
| 00:31.29 | zenzelezz | the voices are telling me to kill you |
| 00:31.29 | TC_Working | the voices are usualy correct |
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| 00:42.15 | TC_Working | ~bitchslap Thunder_Child |
| 00:42.17 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Thunder_Child |
| 00:42.30 | TC_Working | little bastard just signed off then on again |
| 00:48.55 | Eternally777 | ~seen Tuller |
| 00:49.45 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-71-197-14-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 19m 31s ago, saying: 'probably for the same reason I took out categories from bagnon'. |
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| 00:49.59 | Eternally777 | :-( I missed him |
| 00:50.06 | Eternally777 | Been looking for him since Friday. |
| 00:51.05 | TC_Working | you can smg him |
| 00:51.10 | TC_Working | err..msg* |
| 00:51.42 | TC_Working | i mean delayed bot msg him* |
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| 00:53.05 | Eternally777 | Hmm, never thought about that. |
| 00:58.35 | TC_Working | i cant remeber what the command is though |
| 00:59.07 | Eternally777 | :-( |
| 00:59.17 | TC_Working | ~bot msg Thunder_Child ping |
| 01:00.33 | TC_Working | ah |
| 01:00.36 | TC_Working | ~help botmail |
| 01:00.55 | TC_Working | *sigh* damit purl |
| 01:01.53 | TC_Working | Eternally777 check out http://wowi.pastey.net/14348 |
| 01:02.23 | Eternally777 | haha, ok, thanks. |
| 01:02.30 | TC_Working | welcome |
| 01:02.53 | TC_Working | home time for me, laters all |
| 01:03.22 | Eternally777 | later |
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| 01:47.40 | Legorol | morning |
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| 01:47.40 | Legorol | does anyone here have an epic flying mount? |
| 01:47.40 | Legorol | when you ride around on it on live server, does it flap madly (2-3 flaps per second)? |
| 01:47.40 | Legorol | on the PTR i bought myself one and the animation seems sped up multifold |
| 01:47.40 | Legorol | i don't have one on live so i can't compare |
| 01:47.43 | JoshBorke | Legorol: yea, pretty sure that's a known bug |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | JoshBorke: are you saying on live they don't flap, on PTR they do? |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | clad|afk: how much do you know about warriors, rogues, melee attributes (hit/miss/crit/dodge/parry/block/defense), attack tables etc.? |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | keeping it to PvE |
| 01:47.44 | clad|afk | A -reasonable- amount, since I'm a guildmate of Satrina |
| 01:47.44 | clad|afk | the magical 500 defense warrior that caused the nerf =) |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | who is Satrina? |
| 01:47.45 | Legorol | what nerf, and what was the magic? |
| 01:47.46 | leethal | 490, aint it? |
| 01:47.46 | clad|afk | Satrina wrote combatmonitor, specifically to crunch the numbers |
| 01:47.47 | clad|afk | this is back a year ago |
| 01:47.47 | leethal | oh, nvm |
| 01:47.47 | clad|afk | when he hit 500 defense which was way too much given the way the mechanics worked at the time |
| 01:47.48 | clad|afk | so they did an across the board nerf of defense on items |
| 01:47.48 | Legorol | details, details pretty pwease |
| 01:47.48 | Legorol | afaik the mechanic never changed |
| 01:47.49 | clad|afk | umm hold pleas. |
| 01:47.51 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:47.51 | Legorol | if you don't have time btw this is not urgent |
| 01:47.51 | clad|afk | first: http://evilempireguild.org/guides/index.php |
| 01:47.51 | clad|afk | they're old but still apply imo |
| 01:47.51 | clad|afk | he appears to keep them up to date, since he links them everywhere =) |
| 01:47.52 | clad|afk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?forumId=10022&characterId=593908637&sid=1 |
| 01:47.52 | Legorol | clad|afk, i have read those pages like the holy bible many many times :o) |
| 01:47.52 | clad|afk | hehe |
| 01:47.53 | clad|afk | well i roll with him, used to main heal him back in the day :P |
| 01:47.53 | Legorol | my specific question is with regards to +weapon skill |
| 01:47.53 | clad|afk | okay |
| 01:47.53 | Legorol | aha, if you can talk to him, can you ask him to test/figure out/think about/post a page about +weapon skill and how it works now? |
| 01:47.54 | JoshBorke | clad|afk: no wonder you're so n00b |
| 01:47.54 | clad|afk | Legorol: What are yo-u trying to figure out about it |
| 01:47.55 | Legorol | its effects vs. equal-level and higher-than-my-level mobs |
| 01:47.55 | Legorol | i'm only interested in PvE, and mostly against mobs 70-73 |
| 01:47.55 | clad|afk | he sais "When i get some time" |
| 01:47.56 | Legorol | the relevant wiki page: |
| 01:47.57 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill |
| 01:47.58 | Legorol | i read everything on there, and it appears noone knows for sure the exact +% benefits you get from it |
| 01:47.58 | clad|afk | ah okay |
| 01:47.59 | Legorol | what is his current understanding? |
| 01:47.59 | Legorol | here is what i know: |
| 01:47.59 | clad|afk | he's raiding at the moment. |
| 01:48.51 | Legorol | hehe ok |
| 01:48.51 | Legorol | the basic starting point is that for each point of weapon skill you have in excess of your opponent's defense, you get +0.04% crit, +0.04% hit, and the opponent loses 0.04% block/dodge/parry |
| 01:48.51 | Legorol | i.e. it works symmetrically to defense |
| 01:48.52 | clad|afk | aye |
| 01:48.52 | Legorol | that i'm happy with |
| 01:48.52 | Legorol | then we get to mobs higher than your level |
| 01:48.52 | Legorol | e.g. 70 fighting 73 boss |
| 01:48.53 | Legorol | there is a mystical blizz quote that says: "The player will gain 0.1% to their critical strike rating per weapon skill against monsters above their level" |
| 01:48.53 | Legorol | this is ambiguous at best |
| 01:49.14 | Legorol | i think everyone agrees that this is supposed to mean per weapon skill *above your natural level max*, i.e. 350 at 70 |
| 01:49.18 | clad|afk | yeah |
| 01:49.53 | Legorol | what's not clear is whether you get this 0.1% in addition to, or instead of the 0.04% that you'd get if weapon skill was completely symmetrical to defense |
| 01:49.56 | leethal | wow should have been open source heh |
| 01:50.15 | Legorol | there are other confusing points |
| 01:50.38 | JoshBorke | Bela|afk: bah! get back :-( |
| 01:50.48 | Legorol | one person claims, but couldn't link, a blizard poster that said that 3 weapon skill (not rating) will give you roughly +3% dps increase over the board, taking into account everything |
| 01:50.53 | Legorol | this sounds too much so i didn't beleive him |
| 01:52.16 | clad|afk | i think thats too much |
| 01:52.18 | clad|afk | but i dunno =/ |
| 01:52.25 | Legorol | then there is this mysterious post: |
| 01:52.26 | Legorol | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/166546791.htm |
| 01:52.38 | Legorol | so as you can see, there are a number of conflicting pieces of info out there |
| 01:52.54 | clad|afk | very much so =/ |
| 01:52.54 | Legorol | The reason why i dug into this topic is that i have now collected a number of one-handed weapons from lvl 70 5-mans |
| 01:53.08 | Legorol | they have similar stats, and one's almost as good as any other |
| 01:53.18 | Legorol | but some of them have +weapon skill rating, instead of say +hit rating |
| 01:53.31 | Legorol | i am trying to compare them, but without knowing the exact effects of +weapon skill, i can't |
| 01:54.03 | clad|afk | find a healer, download CombatStats and find a level 73 mob to beat on you |
| 01:54.11 | clad|afk | while you beat on it |
| 01:54.14 | clad|afk | that's all Sat will do |
| 01:54.22 | clad|afk | if you're extraordinarily motivated. |
| 01:54.34 | Legorol | i just wanted to save some bank space :'( |
| 01:55.04 | clad|afk | hehe |
| 01:55.36 | Legorol | i also can't find a good irc channel for mechanics discussion for warriors :( |
| 01:55.49 | Legorol | i tried quakenet, people are semi-mature but not that knowledgable |
| 01:56.02 | Legorol | wowirc is just a heaven of immaturity |
| 01:56.20 | Legorol | all i wanted to ask some experienced warriors is whether they prefer to tank with a fast or slow weapon |
| 01:58.05 | leethal | elitist jerks has a nice forum for that |
| 01:58.19 | JoshBorke | i was gonna just recommend them... |
| 01:58.19 | clad|afk | yeah, they may be a good place to look |
| 01:58.19 | clad|afk | actually =) |
| 01:58.20 | JoshBorke | i found a spreadsheet for dps warriors |
| 01:58.28 | leethal | http://elitistjerks.com/forums.php |
| 02:00.18 | Legorol | thanks leethal, will look |
| 02:01.33 | leethal | clad|afk: is this the CombatStats you mentioned? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5917-CombatStats_modified.html |
| 02:01.46 | leethal | the one not _modified was labeled as out of date |
| 02:02.02 | clad|afk | either should work |
| 02:02.06 | clad|afk | they haven't been updated for a while |
| 02:02.08 | clad|afk | but yes |
| 02:02.23 | clad|afk | Satrina is the original author, but he ditched the project |
| 02:02.31 | leethal | there's a link to this page in the comments - http://www.realisticsoftware.com/pages/WoWAddons.html |
| 02:03.33 | clad|afk | k |
| 02:03.33 | clad|afk | *shrug* |
| 02:03.33 | clad|afk | maybe thats more up to date? |
| 02:03.33 | clad|afk | looks like it |
| 02:03.33 | clad|afk | 4.0.1 is on =his personal page |
| 02:03.34 | clad|afk | instead of wowi |
| 02:06.51 | Legorol | thanks for the link to that forum, excellent discussions on it |
| 02:07.11 | Legorol | i already dug into a discussion on "how can prot. warriors maximise their dps when not tanking" |
| 02:07.22 | Legorol | it's excellent, constructive and has numbers |
| 02:07.23 | leethal | yeah, my GM is all over that forum, linking us posts two times a day |
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| 02:08.19 | leethal | thanks to that forum I went from 300-400 tps to 700-900 |
| 02:08.56 | leethal | (yes, tps, i r a prot warr) |
| 02:22.56 | Legorol | leethal, you are a prot warrior? |
| 02:23.01 | Legorol | wow, a like minded person at last! |
| 02:23.05 | Legorol | (yes i know 15 minutes late) |
| 02:23.16 | Legorol | some questions for you if you are still around: |
| 02:23.23 | leethal | usre |
| 02:23.25 | leethal | sure* |
| 02:23.28 | Legorol | do you tank with a fast or slow weapon? |
| 02:23.34 | Legorol | does it differ in a raid/5-man? |
| 02:24.03 | leethal | I prefer fast weapons at all times, due to multitanking |
| 02:24.10 | Legorol | what's your build (just the points)? i'm 11/5/45 |
| 02:24.11 | leethal | I like using heroic strike, so the faster the better |
| 02:24.18 | Legorol | multitanking? |
| 02:24.30 | leethal | uhm, yeah, tanking many mobs |
| 02:24.33 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 02:24.36 | leethal | perhaps there's a proper word for that heh |
| 02:24.43 | JoshBorke | he's an offtank |
| 02:24.44 | Legorol | whatever, it's a good word for it :o) |
| 02:24.52 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 02:25.02 | leethal | I prefer fast weapons when I tank bosses too, curator for instance |
| 02:25.02 | JoshBorke | more important if you ask me |
| 02:25.09 | Legorol | wow, i now have so many questions and topics to discuss with you |
| 02:25.20 | leethal | because HS isn't on the GCD, but on the swing timer |
| 02:25.22 | JoshBorke | leethal: big mistake ;-) |
| 02:25.34 | JoshBorke | is devastate on GCD? |
| 02:25.37 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:25.40 | leethal | and when you get zomfg damage, you get zomfg threat from using HS on every swing |
| 02:25.40 | Legorol | ok, let's start with tanking: |
| 02:25.41 | JoshBorke | <-- not a warrior |
| 02:25.47 | leethal | here's the build - http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Sunstrider&n=Gramr |
| 02:25.49 | Legorol | what about the fact that devastate needs a slow weapon? |
| 02:26.31 | leethal | afaik the amount of threat isn't based on weapon damage, so I didn't really consider that =/ |
| 02:26.40 | Legorol | your preferred sequence of the first 6 moves when you a) tank in a raid b) tank in an instance |
| 02:26.45 | leethal | anyway, I base my tanking on shield slam |
| 02:27.25 | leethal | shield slam => sunders until shield slam is off CD => shield slam => sunders again => shield slam => devastate/revenge depending on how much rage I have => shield slam etc |
| 02:27.35 | Legorol | http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Silvermoon&n=Legorol |
| 02:27.50 | Legorol | doesn't sound like you are using HS there |
| 02:28.01 | leethal | I even tend to not use GCD abilities when shield slam has less than one second left on CD, to make sure I can use shield slam the moment it's off CD |
| 02:28.02 | Legorol | so why the fast weapon? |
| 02:28.06 | leethal | HS is a rage pumper |
| 02:28.21 | leethal | when I got enough rage, which I get after 4-5 secs, I start using HS every once in a while |
| 02:28.53 | Legorol | which is fair enough, but wouldn't it be better to have a slow weapon, since you'd be devastating more than HS-ing? |
| 02:28.58 | Legorol | at least that's my experience |
| 02:29.05 | Legorol | my priority is shield slam > devastate > HS |
| 02:29.12 | leethal | I'm HSing more than devvastate |
| 02:29.22 | Legorol | same as you, if slam is approaching 1 sec, i don't do GCD moves |
| 02:29.33 | Legorol | hm, but devastate does more damage |
| 02:29.39 | Legorol | don't know about the threat, but i think does more threat too |
| 02:29.46 | leethal | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=pgybue5btpx33&a=2 |
| 02:29.56 | leethal | I guess I could use more devastate, though |
| 02:30.14 | leethal | with fireguard as 1h, HS does quite a lot of damage =) |
| 02:30.32 | leethal | and it's not on GCD at all either, so it's kind of "bonus threat" so to speak |
| 02:30.53 | Legorol | what are the columns? |
| 02:31.08 | Legorol | yes i agree with it being off the GCD, so it's good in that sense |
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| 02:31.20 | Legorol | but i have no problem dumping rage with shield slam/devastate, and can sneak in HS only every so often |
| 02:31.32 | Legorol | is Avg the average damage you do with that move? |
| 02:31.43 | leethal | sometimes I look at the devastate button and think "perhaps I should press you more", so you're probably right |
| 02:32.06 | Legorol | well here is what I observed, personal experience: |
| 02:32.07 | leethal | Legorol: which column? |
| 02:32.15 | Legorol | pink Avg |
| 02:32.26 | leethal | average damage I think |
| 02:32.39 | Legorol | ok HS does 157 damage |
| 02:32.50 | Legorol | sorry 176 |
| 02:33.07 | Legorol | a devastate, after two sunders, for me does at least 200 damage, depends a bit on weapon |
| 02:33.25 | Legorol | with five sunders, gets more |
| 02:33.42 | Legorol | so after two sunders, if you just look at damage per rage, devastate becomes better |
| 02:33.56 | Legorol | that's why i prefer it |
| 02:34.04 | leethal | hmm.. look at those stats again - http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=pgybue5btpx33&a=2 - my max devastate damage is the same as the average HS damage =/ |
| 02:34.18 | leethal | but those stats might be corrupted by curator 200% dmg heroic strikes etc |
| 02:34.20 | Legorol | uhm.. but doesn't that HS damage *include* the white damage? |
| 02:34.33 | Legorol | bear in mind that because HS consumes your normal swing, |
| 02:34.39 | Legorol | an HS damage is white+176 |
| 02:34.42 | leethal | but anyway, I would like to see more devastates than thunder claps =P |
| 02:34.46 | leethal | ah, yeah, that's right |
| 02:34.48 | sysrage | maiden sucks balls.. wtf is the trick? we get her so close but always die without a tree drood |
| 02:35.15 | Legorol | anyway, back to weapon choice |
| 02:35.22 | Legorol | so your preference of fast weapon is becuase of HS? |
| 02:35.39 | Karrion | sysrage: trick is to have a hybrid in melee, and step out to heal as soon as woken up from repentance |
| 02:35.41 | Legorol | please note that i am not trying to say you are right or wrong, i am just discussing, and interested in others' opinions |
| 02:35.45 | Legorol | i get to discuss these things so little |
| 02:35.56 | Legorol | (with intelligent/informed people) |
| 02:36.23 | Legorol | all right, next question |
| 02:36.26 | leethal | Legorol: yeah, I do |
| 02:36.33 | Karrion | Legorol: personally I pick weapon based on dps and +stats, then pick whether to HS or DEV more depending on its speed... |
| 02:36.38 | leethal | Legorol: when I have 100% rage at all times, it's usually because I'm using a slow weapon |
| 02:37.02 | leethal | my MH is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28425 though, not the one in the armory |
| 02:37.04 | Legorol | hm.. devastate, on a 1.5 sec GCD constant spam, combined with HS, should take care of that |
| 02:37.14 | Legorol | what's your preferred method of solo grinding? |
| 02:37.20 | Legorol | 2H, dw or 1h+shield? |
| 02:37.28 | Legorol | what sort of gear do you wear for it? |
| 02:37.34 | leethal | 1h + shield usually, but dps gear otherwise |
| 02:37.41 | Legorol | what's your preferred method of doing dps when called on to dps in a raid? |
| 02:37.50 | Legorol | is there any difference in your 5-man and raid tanking gear? |
| 02:37.54 | Legorol | have i asked enough questions yet? |
| 02:37.58 | leethal | hehe |
| 02:38.22 | leethal | in raids, to DPS, I use as much fury gear as I can, and spam devastate |
| 02:38.23 | Legorol | so you grind with SVB gear? |
| 02:38.27 | leethal | collecting fury gear atm |
| 02:38.49 | leethal | SVB? =/ |
| 02:38.55 | Legorol | shield block value |
| 02:39.01 | leethal | ah |
| 02:39.09 | leethal | yeah, if the mobs are 70'ish I do |
| 02:39.16 | sysrage | i'm thinkin our damn pally is specced to far as a tank and doesn't have enough heal |
| 02:39.28 | leethal | to mitigate with the shield, as my dps aint high enough for the grinding to be effective in dps gear |
| 02:39.42 | Legorol | when you dps (pretending to be fury), you dual wield? |
| 02:39.53 | leethal | anyway, in 5 mans, normal mode, I tank with ripped ogre loincloth, the rocket helmet and my 1h/shield. truth, I did that in botanica |
| 02:39.53 | Legorol | in a raid, for example |
| 02:40.02 | leethal | yeah, I DW |
| 02:40.03 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:40.18 | Legorol | when you dw in a raid for dps, do you go with fast main hand (for HS) or slow (for devastate) |
| 02:40.35 | leethal | I use the 1h on the armory in MH, and my fireguard tanking MH in offhand |
| 02:40.49 | leethal | http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Sunstrider&n=Gramr |
| 02:40.50 | Legorol | btw, in case you want to know what i do, I do all these and more, i try every possible thing i have seen people do/suggest ;-) |
| 02:40.57 | leethal | =) |
| 02:41.30 | leethal | my dream is to get a zomfg epic 2h and spec arms with improved cleave =) |
| 02:41.31 | Legorol | i'll come on to my thoughts as well if you are interested |
| 02:41.35 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:41.43 | Legorol | i dream about that too, but can't have it as i'm one of the main tanks |
| 02:41.44 | leethal | WHAM kinda hits |
| 02:41.51 | Legorol | besides i don't find arms that much fun |
| 02:41.54 | Legorol | i love tanking and prot |
| 02:42.05 | leethal | yeah, same |
| 02:42.20 | leethal | I specced to fury for leveling at level 64, but I was back to prot at 66 or something |
| 02:42.26 | leethal | missed it too much =) |
| 02:42.51 | Legorol | right, so when you tank, you use fireguard (fast) |
| 02:42.56 | leethal | yeah |
| 02:42.57 | Legorol | but for dw, you use slow mh |
| 02:43.10 | leethal | yep, for slam, whirlwind etc |
| 02:43.15 | Legorol | could you reconcile the difference? i mean in both cases you would want to do as much damage as possible.. |
| 02:43.33 | Legorol | and let's assume you have plenty of rage |
| 02:43.45 | leethal | I actually didn't think of having the fast one as MH for HS pwnage, I'll try that |
| 02:43.59 | Legorol | so what *did* you have it for ;-) |
| 02:44.10 | Legorol | i might be missing something here, but what's the benefit of a fast MH beyond HS? |
| 02:44.19 | leethal | I'm still talking DPS mode btw |
| 02:44.35 | Legorol | and why is that, when tanking, you want to spam HS, but when dps-ing, you want to devastate? |
| 02:44.38 | Legorol | or did i misunderstand? |
| 02:44.47 | Legorol | i am trying to learn here btw, that's why the scrutiny ;-) |
| 02:44.50 | leethal | hehe |
| 02:45.13 | leethal | the thing when tanking is that I usually don't have time for more than one/two devastates and maby one revenge in between the shield slams |
| 02:45.31 | leethal | so, then I get stacked up on rage, and use HS to spend it |
| 02:45.39 | Legorol | i see |
| 02:45.53 | Legorol | does this differ when tanking trash vs. tanking a boss? |
| 02:46.00 | Legorol | also, between raid and 5-man? |
| 02:46.17 | leethal | I haven't done any 25 mans yet, so 5 and 10 mans is pretty much the same |
| 02:46.28 | leethal | if I do anything different, it's nothing I'm aware of =) |
| 02:46.32 | Legorol | well bosses in Kara are much tougher, aren't they? |
| 02:46.43 | Legorol | ok, then at least anything you do different on trash than on a boss? |
| 02:46.49 | leethal | well.. the 4th boss in mech heroic is a lot harder than e.g. attumen imo |
| 02:47.00 | Legorol | ah heroic, i haven't done much |
| 02:47.06 | Legorol | in fact hardly any |
| 02:47.12 | Legorol | ok my experiences: |
| 02:47.20 | leethal | the main difference between trash and boss is that on bosses, I use shield block as often as I can to be immune to crushing blows |
| 02:47.27 | Legorol | tanking in 5-mans requires less sta/mitigation, so i can stack more items for damage output |
| 02:47.33 | leethal | as shield block isn't on GCD that's np |
| 02:47.55 | Legorol | also in 5-mans my dps output might matter, in Karazhan it matters lot less |
| 02:48.10 | leethal | yeah, in 5 mans I tend to swap some of my tanking gear with my dps gear, to get more damage input for more rage |
| 02:48.14 | Legorol | only if you are interested, i can give you the answers to these questions from my side |
| 02:48.32 | leethal | doing 5 man normal mode with full kara gear is very hard, I don't get much rage and can't really hold aggro |
| 02:48.36 | Legorol | i don't know the "correct" answers btw, and there isn't one presumably |
| 02:48.38 | leethal | yeah, fire at will, I'm all ears =) |
| 02:48.58 | Legorol | on trash, not enough time for sunders, mob dies too hard |
| 02:49.02 | Legorol | i'm a great fan of devastate though |
| 02:49.17 | Legorol | i usually tank with a slow weapon, and on trash (both raid and 5-man) i start devastating after 2 sunders |
| 02:49.45 | Legorol | since you can fit in 3 GCD moves between two shield slams, that's what i normally try |
| 02:49.50 | Legorol | if all goes well, it's usually: |
| 02:50.05 | Legorol | slam, thunderclap, demo shout, sunder, slam, sunder.. |
| 02:50.08 | leethal | hmm, I've been told that anything below devastate 5 is pointless. no idea why though, just heard it |
| 02:50.10 | Legorol | from here, it depends on whether trash or boss |
| 02:50.19 | Legorol | if it's trash, i start devastate |
| 02:50.25 | Legorol | if it's boss, i go up to 5 sunder |
| 02:50.32 | Legorol | slam every 6 seconds |
| 02:50.36 | leethal | aw, you call it slam *confused* that's the name of a fury ability too =P |
| 02:50.38 | Legorol | keep SB up at all times on bosses |
| 02:50.40 | Legorol | sorry |
| 02:50.41 | Karrion | depends on the weapon damage, devastate is better threat once it's hitting for >200 |
| 02:50.45 | Legorol | when i say slam, i mean shield slam |
| 02:50.52 | Legorol | my bad |
| 02:50.59 | Karrion | but I like to get 5 sunder up so my rogues don't punch me |
| 02:51.01 | leethal | guessed so, slam isn't exactly a prime tanking ability |
| 02:51.07 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:51.10 | Legorol | so, back to my cycle |
| 02:51.14 | Legorol | i fit in HS if i have the rage |
| 02:51.17 | Legorol | if not, then i don't |
| 02:51.20 | Legorol | more often than not i don't |
| 02:51.28 | Legorol | on trash i usually don't, on bosses i do |
| 02:51.53 | Legorol | i can usually get 2, often 3 devastates between 2 shield slams |
| 02:51.57 | Legorol | the theoretical max is 3 |
| 02:52.13 | Legorol | i don't do revenge |
| 02:52.22 | Legorol | only thing it does is threat, and if i can hold aggro, i don't use it |
| 02:52.34 | leethal | ah, clever |
| 02:52.41 | Legorol | i occasionally delay my cycle a bit at the start and put in a revenge or two, if the dps is very aggressive that day |
| 02:52.58 | Legorol | but once there are 5 sunders up say on a boss, i don't revenge at all anymore |
| 02:53.37 | Legorol | so i prefer a slow main hand for tanking |
| 02:53.44 | Legorol | for grinding, i have tried them all: |
| 02:53.55 | Legorol | 2H, dw with slow mh, dw with fast mh, 1h+shield |
| 02:54.02 | Karrion | Legorol: out of curiosity, what's your slow MH? |
| 02:54.13 | leethal | what's your average TPS with this cycle? |
| 02:54.14 | Legorol | reflex blades |
| 02:54.23 | Legorol | i have no epcis, but reasonably good blue l70 gear |
| 02:54.33 | Legorol | leethal, i have never measured it |
| 02:54.41 | leethal | ah, you don't use KTM? |
| 02:54.47 | leethal | I'm using it only to see my TPS |
| 02:54.47 | Legorol | yes i do, but i don't watch tps |
| 02:54.50 | leethal | I see |
| 02:55.03 | Legorol | my motto is, if i can keep above the dps and they can unload as soon as i pull, then i don't care |
| 02:55.16 | Legorol | the opening shield slam tends to take care of that |
| 02:55.28 | Karrion | hehe, I love KTM, but I'm far too busy watching cooldowns to keep that close an eye on it |
| 02:55.33 | Legorol | same here |
| 02:55.37 | Legorol | ok, so grinding: |
| 02:55.44 | Legorol | 2H is by far the worst, no good rage dump |
| 02:55.47 | Karrion | it's just there for the dps to keep below _me_ ;-) |
| 02:55.53 | Legorol | i have played around with slam (not shield slam), but not all that effective |
| 02:56.02 | leethal | Karrion: =P |
| 02:56.09 | Legorol | it gets better if i fight 2 at a time, then i can cleave at least |
| 02:56.26 | Legorol | if i do feel like 2H grinding (which i sometimes do), i use HS as rage dump nowadays |
| 02:56.37 | Legorol | even if it's theoretically inferior to slam |
| 02:56.51 | Legorol | that's just a preference thing, i don't min-max when 2H grinding, it's for relaxation |
| 02:57.00 | leethal | everytime I grind without a shield, by finger wants to press the shield slam button to see some neat 1.3k crits =/ |
| 02:57.20 | Legorol | i found dw and 1h+shield about equally effective as far as dps, the dw is maybe slightly better |
| 02:57.21 | leethal | ah, interesting |
| 02:57.30 | Legorol | that's probably because i don't have sufficient shield block value gear yet |
| 02:57.31 | leethal | I found dw worse, because the uptime was way lower |
| 02:57.42 | Legorol | my best blocks are just starting to scratch 300 |
| 02:57.48 | leethal | ah I see |
| 02:57.51 | Legorol | yeah i was going to come to that |
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| 02:58.04 | Mikma | JoshBorke: you again! |
| 02:58.10 | Legorol | despite the higher dps with dw, i think considering the downtime, 1h+shield is the most efficient for me, given my current gear |
| 02:58.33 | Legorol | so i tend to alternate between dw and 1h+shield, depending on my mood |
| 02:58.43 | Legorol | as for dw, i tried both fast and slow main hand |
| 02:58.57 | Legorol | the fast mainhand consumes too much rage if i spam HS, so i stopped doing that |
| 02:59.12 | Legorol | with a slow mainhand, i actually use devastate |
| 02:59.16 | leethal | Legorol: I suggest going 1h+shield for 68+ mobs, dw for anything below |
| 02:59.17 | Legorol | sometimes even use it with no sunders on |
| 02:59.36 | Legorol | leethal: my control tests are the ogres in nagrand in the north cleft, 65-66 |
| 02:59.47 | leethal | I see |
| 02:59.56 | Legorol | it's probably different for 68+ |
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| 03:00.05 | Legorol | i still get too much downtime if i dw on those ogres |
| 03:00.14 | Legorol | mostly because of the mages i think, they hurt :o) |
| 03:00.22 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:00.36 | Legorol | anyway, i tank in different gear in 5-mans than in Kara |
| 03:00.43 | Karrion | Legorol: well you're shield;s not going to do much against mages anyway |
| 03:00.43 | Legorol | in Kara i need to absolutely survive |
| 03:00.49 | leethal | Shirik: what did you print? |
| 03:00.55 | Shirik | hehehehe |
| 03:00.58 | Legorol | Karrion: spell reflect and shield bash |
| 03:01.01 | Shirik | project |
| 03:01.03 | leethal | Legorol: yeah, casters sucks without a shield |
| 03:01.25 | Legorol | At the moment my concoction of stuff in ItemRack consist of: |
| 03:01.25 | Karrion | mmm, spell reflect will be better in 2.1, off the GCD |
| 03:01.41 | Legorol | 2H dps gear, dw dps gear, 1h+shield dps gear, 5-man tanking gear, raid tanking gear |
| 03:01.53 | Legorol | and i have sooooo much junk in my bank it's unbelievable, because i like to try everything |
| 03:02.02 | leethal | Shirik: is it a C++ exam they want you to deliver in printed form? |
| 03:02.07 | Karrion | anyhoo, lunchtime |
| 03:02.08 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:02.15 | Thunder_Child1 | *snicker* you have jucnk in your trunck |
| 03:02.21 | Shirik | leethal: Assembly |
| 03:02.23 | Shirik | and |
| 03:02.27 | Shirik | I think I just accidently restarted |
| 03:02.29 | Shirik | oops |
| 03:02.33 | Legorol | as for whether to tank with slow or fast mainhand, i am still unsure on that |
| 03:02.48 | leethal | Shirik: I don't think the professor is able to have a look on his face if he reads 200 printed pages of assembly and understands it =P |
| 03:02.50 | Legorol | although i prefer slow mh, the issue i sometimes find is that i don't get rage in a steady flow |
| 03:03.01 | leethal | Legorol: how far in kara are you? Just curious |
| 03:03.20 | Legorol | i think we can now consistently kill Moroes on a weekly basis :o) |
| 03:03.27 | Legorol | yes, i know that's not very far at all |
| 03:03.33 | Legorol | but i am proud of our guild |
| 03:03.37 | leethal | =) |
| 03:03.54 | Legorol | for the past two weeks, on wednesday evening we killed Attumen and Moroes |
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| 03:04.13 | Legorol | Moroes usually takes two attempts (i mean clearing trash, and wiping 3-4 times on him twice) |
| 03:04.26 | leethal | on monday, moroes took us 5-6 attempts |
| 03:04.36 | Garoun | I curse moroes :P |
| 03:04.38 | leethal | the server lagged, so he reset himself the first 5-6 tries |
| 03:04.40 | Legorol | then we spend friday, and if we get the people, saturday, trying maiden and opera |
| 03:05.05 | leethal | maiden is a pain in the ass until you've killed her.. |
| 03:05.09 | Garoun | he dropped mongoose enchant and our enchanter that got itdecided they needed ab reak from raiding :( |
| 03:05.10 | Legorol | Moroes was/is a great challenge for us, because as a guild we tend to be bad at fights that require complex tactics |
| 03:05.16 | Garoun | at least they didn't say they needed a break fromwow |
| 03:05.23 | Karrion|Food | we're stuck on Aran atm, not because we're having trouble learning him, but becase for four weeks in a row we've had one or two attempts then someone has had to leave, or our only 'lock goes LD, or some shit happens >.< |
| 03:05.28 | leethal | and the one time we got romulo and juliett thingie, we kept wiping |
| 03:05.46 | leethal | Legorol: yeah, and it's different every time |
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| 03:05.53 | leethal | Legorol: depending on which of the adds you get |
| 03:05.53 | Shirik | ok that was stupid |
| 03:05.56 | Legorol | which makes it hard for everyone, even harder for us |
| 03:06.01 | Shirik | anyway, leethal: assembly, not C |
| 03:06.01 | leethal | Garoun: gz on mongoose =) |
| 03:06.04 | Legorol | we are bad at adapting in general |
| 03:06.16 | leethal | Shirik: I had a very funny joke after you rebooted, let me paste it |
| 03:06.23 | leethal | Shirik: I don't think the professor is able to have a look on his face if he reads 200 printed pages of assembly and understands it =P |
| 03:06.26 | Garoun | yeah, he needs to drop it againso I can get it :)since I'm our next highest enchanter |
| 03:06.31 | Legorol | i am often the raid leader, and i try to push my people to advanced tactics, but in the end we end up having to do as simple tank+spank as the encounter allows |
| 03:06.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:06.34 | leethal | Shirik: not as fun now as it would have been then, but oh well.. |
| 03:06.40 | Shirik | I really don't think he expected it to be so big :P |
| 03:06.52 | Legorol | but what i am proud of is that we are trying to go with a "no-spoilers" approach |
| 03:07.10 | Legorol | which means we wipe on bosses a few times before we even turn to wowwiki,a nd try to figure out at least a good portion of their abilities |
| 03:07.11 | Garoun | we're stuck on Maiden right now, but I've declared her skipped untilwe've gotten to Chess event |
| 03:07.16 | leethal | Legorol: ah, that sounds super great |
| 03:07.29 | leethal | Legorol: I always wanted to do that with my guild.. try out stuff for ourselves instead of reading how to do it |
| 03:07.33 | Legorol | it's fun, refreshing and the fact that we actually took Moroes with minimal spoilers/tactics was a great leap |
| 03:07.47 | leethal | Garoun: what event is that? Is the chess event the same as The Free Epic event? |
| 03:07.48 | Garoun | I'd rather get the rest of the instance on farm and come back for that b@#$@# later |
| 03:07.55 | Legorol | also, especially on Moroes, any tactics off the wiki just doesn't work for us anyway |
| 03:08.05 | Garoun | yeah, the "you have an epic behind your ear" event |
| 03:08.12 | leethal | lol |
| 03:08.38 | Legorol | once we have done a good portion of wiping, or we are reasonably happy with the encounter, we do read up on it |
| 03:08.44 | leethal | Legorol: if you're doing that approach, you really should get into stats analyzing |
| 03:08.45 | Legorol | to fill in the last bits of details etc. |
| 03:08.53 | Garoun | I despise maiden more than any encounter I've ever done :P |
| 03:09.09 | Legorol | however, we do use crutches like bigwigs as much as we can |
| 03:09.20 | Legorol | usually turn it on after we have discovered for ourselves what the boss does |
| 03:09.30 | Garoun | we seem to have gotten the maiden that hits every possible 'unlucky' roll she could get |
| 03:09.37 | Legorol | we usually have one or two people read up on tactics beforehand, and keep their mouth shut |
| 03:09.37 | leethal | Legorol: save the combat log with http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/4821/clsaver/, and parse it with http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/ |
| 03:09.43 | Legorol | then when we are happy, we ask them to speak up |
| 03:09.58 | Legorol | leethal: not really necessary |
| 03:10.05 | Legorol | we wipe a few times, pay attention, see what we see |
| 03:10.20 | Legorol | then we read up the missing pieces, and formulate our own tactic |
| 03:10.23 | leethal | Legorol: it's nice for having "you need to improve your dps, do this and that" in written form =) |
| 03:10.26 | Legorol | even reading tactics on wiki wouldn't help anyway |
| 03:10.36 | Legorol | nah that'd never work with us |
| 03:10.43 | leethal | to casual? |
| 03:10.54 | leethal | too* |
| 03:10.58 | Legorol | people are fairly casual in my guild, and i don't necessarily mean the playing time, but the abilities/attention/dedication |
| 03:11.06 | leethal | I see |
| 03:11.17 | Legorol | they are excited about exploring Karazhan, but the attention span, focus and concentration of many of our people is less than optimal |
| 03:11.24 | Legorol | well, we work with what we have, and we are a happy family :o) |
| 03:11.34 | Legorol | this week i really insisted on having 2 adds at Moroes crowd controlled |
| 03:11.41 | Garoun | have either of you gotten a maiden that kills at least one ranged person within the first 30s EVERY time |
| 03:11.46 | Legorol | the raid tried to resists, but i prevailed, muhaha |
| 03:12.07 | Legorol | for example: |
| 03:12.17 | leethal | how cuddly =) |
| 03:12.21 | Legorol | every tactics i have read on Moroes suggests shackling the arms warrior and not killing him |
| 03:12.29 | Legorol | not only becuase he does a lot of damage, but because he is hard to kill |
| 03:12.38 | Legorol | so what do we do? we kill him *facepalm* |
| 03:12.39 | leethal | hmm, do you mean the prot warrior? That's what I remember reading |
| 03:12.45 | Legorol | but that's the best tactic that works for us |
| 03:12.52 | Legorol | no, the arms warrior |
| 03:12.56 | leethal | how do you manage to pwn it without cc? |
| 03:12.59 | Legorol | they are both harder to kill, because they are plate |
| 03:13.03 | Legorol | we tank it |
| 03:13.06 | leethal | or didn't you manage to pwn it until you CCed two of them? |
| 03:13.12 | Garoun | every time we've fought her the same thing happens: holy fire, repent, holy fire... exact same person, insta death |
| 03:13.17 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:13.33 | leethal | Garoun: in a game of chance, there will always be loosers =P |
| 03:13.38 | Legorol | leethal: generally the situation is that we have some skilled players, and some not so skilled |
| 03:13.39 | leethal | (or is it losers? I never get that..) |
| 03:13.46 | Legorol | the skills tend to be concentrated at the tanks and the healers |
| 03:13.47 | Garoun | yeah, just her random gen SUCKS :) |
| 03:14.13 | Garoun | she is notorius for landing a repent and then a holyfire within 1.5sec |
| 03:14.14 | Legorol | this week's example lineup of adds: shadow priest, holy paladin, arms warrior, prot warrior |
| 03:14.19 | leethal | Garoun: I wish blizz fixed their fight to less random.. such as on bosses like Illhoof, don't sacrifice the one on the top of the aggro list |
| 03:14.34 | Garoun | I think they said that was a bug |
| 03:14.41 | leethal | Garoun: and not letting the one on top of the aggro list getting pwnd by big bad wolf |
| 03:14.43 | Legorol | everyone in their right mind would kill the two clothies first, and CC the warriors |
| 03:14.43 | Garoun | and Leg, I have no idea how you could finishmoroes without CC :) |
| 03:14.49 | Legorol | well we do CC |
| 03:14.54 | Legorol | just not the way you'd expect it |
| 03:15.22 | Garoun | and we're already odd :) we run a duel MT setup :) |
| 03:15.29 | Legorol | the way we ended up taking them is: shackle holy pali (cloth), hunter trap prot warrior, kill shadow priest, kill arms warrior |
| 03:15.45 | Garoun | well you killed the SP, that's win right there :) |
| 03:15.52 | leethal | Garoun: that's the problem with kara.. 1/2 of the bosses requires two tanks, 1/2 requires one.. |
| 03:15.53 | Garoun | we didn't know about her mana burn the first time |
| 03:15.54 | Legorol | hehe that much i managed |
| 03:16.02 | Legorol | yah we learnt it the hard way |
| 03:16.07 | Legorol | we know now she must die first |
| 03:16.10 | Corrodias | today we attempted the maiden again |
| 03:16.12 | Garoun | and our own shadow priest got ripped the first fight |
| 03:16.27 | Legorol | leethal: that's actually good |
| 03:16.39 | Corrodias | first one the warrior was dead before anybody healed. that was hilarious. second time was better, but blessing of sacrifice didn't wake up the paladin like we expected it to... |
| 03:16.43 | Legorol | actually i like the fact that you have different requirements for difrerent bosses |
| 03:16.45 | Garoun | and actually I meant Dueling MTs Prot War and Tank Druid(me) |
| 03:16.48 | Legorol | it can mean two things, depending on your guild: |
| 03:16.59 | Legorol | a) you use hybrids |
| 03:17.08 | Legorol | b) you go to the boss that today's raid group allows |
| 03:17.13 | leethal | yeah, I guess I should see it as a challenge, and it's most likely very, very intended =) |
| 03:17.22 | Legorol | we do b) because our members sign up to raids too randomly for it to be predictable and consistent ;-) |
| 03:17.32 | Garoun | Corr, the BoS is very unreliable lately |
| 03:17.48 | Corrodias | we didn't really have a backup plan |
| 03:17.52 | Garoun | BoS almost always procs before the tick that registers thetank is free |
| 03:18.12 | Garoun | usually she'll ping pong back... but when she doesn't well yeah :P |
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| 03:18.52 | Legorol | leethal: i will experiment with tanking with a fast mh and using HS more, i will see how it goes |
| 03:19.03 | Legorol | that's something i'm yet to try, but i just like devastate too much |
| 03:19.03 | Garoun | she just isn't worth our efforts right now :P and this coming from a tank druid that really wants her dodge necklace |
| 03:19.27 | leethal | Legorol: sounds like you're a messiah, helping your disciples though their quest for knowledge and wisdom =) |
| 03:19.35 | Legorol | O.o |
| 03:19.40 | leethal | kind of |
| 03:19.47 | Legorol | lol very flattering |
| 03:20.03 | Legorol | i end up raid leading more often than i'd like :D |
| 03:20.05 | Garoun | Leg sounds like he uses a philosophy I do, but I'm less forgiving :P |
| 03:20.14 | leethal | you do zomfgwotfbbq amounts of work to guide them through something they wouldn't stand a chance up against without you to guide them |
| 03:20.17 | Legorol | but this week i put my foot down |
| 03:20.40 | Legorol | when we had 2 hunters in the raid group, and they coudln't keep that damn warrior trapped and started whining, i told them to keep at it and practice |
| 03:20.59 | Legorol | leethal: lol i think you are exaggerating |
| 03:21.14 | Legorol | usually we have several people who like to think about these things, and we do discuss it |
| 03:21.19 | Legorol | and then the rest is tagging along |
| 03:21.21 | Garoun | hmm does this phrase sound like you Leg, "I'd rather fail a few extra times and people learn wtf to do, rather than hold their hand and wipe their butts" :) |
| 03:21.35 | Legorol | not entirely |
| 03:21.51 | Legorol | i'd rather try a few times, and if i see that it's just not going to happen with todays' raid material, then i wipe their butts |
| 03:22.00 | Garoun | oh :) |
| 03:22.09 | Legorol | i consider the raid group, their abilities and what they can do, and how far i can stretch them |
| 03:22.17 | Legorol | those are all resources in my eyes |
| 03:22.24 | Garoun | hehe |
| 03:22.30 | Corrodias | i must say i'm getting sick of not beating the maiden |
| 03:22.43 | Legorol | well, we are yet to take her, 35% is our best |
| 03:22.44 | Garoun | welcome to DRop Bears Corr :P |
| 03:22.47 | Legorol | hopefully tonight! |
| 03:22.51 | Corrodias | heroic ramparts went pretty well, though |
| 03:22.53 | leethal | Corrodias: we spent probably 3-4 nights getting pwnd before we managed =/ |
| 03:23.16 | Legorol | ok, million dollar question on Moroes: |
| 03:23.17 | Garoun | our best attempt was 18% and that was with 4 people alive after 50% |
| 03:23.20 | Legorol | how many tanks do you use? |
| 03:23.23 | leethal | two |
| 03:23.25 | Legorol | we use two, and put them both on Moroes |
| 03:23.26 | Corrodias | we were using two |
| 03:23.29 | Garoun | 1 Prot, and me |
| 03:23.38 | Legorol | but then who tanks the adds as they are killed? |
| 03:23.41 | leethal | so that the other tank, get the aggro when moroes does kidney shot on the MT |
| 03:23.44 | Legorol | that's a dilemma i have been constanty strugglign with |
| 03:23.51 | Legorol | you mean gouge ;-) |
| 03:23.59 | leethal | nobody tanks adds. they are cced and kited |
| 03:24.04 | Legorol | not all 5 |
| 03:24.04 | Garoun | for us Prot tank pulls Moroes, I snag first add, and pull it to Moroes, build aggro on both |
| 03:24.04 | Corrodias | in our latest attempt that's what we did, too |
| 03:24.04 | leethal | uhm, yeag, gouge |
| 03:24.06 | leethal | yeah* |
| 03:24.06 | Legorol | i mena 4 |
| 03:24.15 | Legorol | we can't CC all 4 adds |
| 03:24.17 | Corrodias | kited and whatnot |
| 03:24.22 | leethal | we cc three, and kite the one we kill |
| 03:24.29 | Legorol | with a hunter? |
| 03:24.30 | leethal | usually two shackles, and some fearing |
| 03:24.32 | Legorol | how do you kite? |
| 03:24.35 | sysrage | mage can kite easy |
| 03:24.36 | Garoun | we shackle 2, hunter trap 1, I tank the first with moroes |
| 03:24.37 | sysrage | frost mage |
| 03:24.38 | Corrodias | learn to kite |
| 03:24.41 | leethal | put some frost slowness on them |
| 03:24.47 | leethal | perhaps hunter traps |
| 03:24.51 | Legorol | yeah, l2kite woudl be a great asset to our raid |
| 03:24.51 | Garoun | kill trapped one 2nd and then all dps on moroes untildead |
| 03:25.00 | Legorol | i can't rely on any of our raiders to reliably kite |
| 03:25.03 | Corrodias | concussive shot, chill effect, hunter frost trap... |
| 03:25.06 | Legorol | also, we only have one priest |
| 03:25.07 | clad|afk | PerfectRaid update for anyone interested |
| 03:25.09 | Legorol | so two shackles our out |
| 03:25.10 | leethal | you have a problem, then |
| 03:25.16 | clad|afk | no, its not usable in a party yet.. that'll likely be this weekend. |
| 03:25.17 | Legorol | so that's what i have to work with |
| 03:25.28 | Garoun | only 1 shackle is hard |
| 03:25.32 | Legorol | here are my resources: |
| 03:25.39 | Legorol | 1 shackle, and hunter freezing traps |
| 03:25.40 | Corrodias | ah, an update sounds fun... |
| 03:25.41 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 03:25.42 | Legorol | no form of kiting |
| 03:25.46 | Legorol | now beat Moroes with that |
| 03:25.53 | Garoun | how many hunters? |
| 03:25.53 | Legorol | however, the tanks and healers are excellent |
| 03:25.54 | Garoun | 1? |
| 03:25.58 | leethal | clad|sleep: gief 5 man usage and pets (in 2.1 that's possible right?) and you got yourself a pie |
| 03:26.01 | Legorol | two hunters, say |
| 03:26.08 | clad|sleep | leethal: those will both be in my 2.1 |
| 03:26.14 | Garoun | is one specced for traps with 2 peices of new dungeon? |
| 03:26.17 | Legorol | the two hunters, i can rely on being able to trap 1 mob |
| 03:26.24 | Legorol | Garoun: nope |
| 03:26.25 | Garoun | or is it 3 peice that gives the bonus |
| 03:26.35 | leethal | clad|sleep: nice, I'm tired of GRID =) |
| 03:26.51 | Legorol | so now you see the resources i have to work with, but we managed |
| 03:26.55 | Legorol | and i'm really proud of that |
| 03:27.05 | Garoun | you should at least get 2 peices of Dungeon 3 for the hunters |
| 03:27.08 | Legorol | my impression is that most guilds use more advanced techniques on Moroes |
| 03:27.09 | Mikma | PerfectRaid goes to PerfectParty. sounds perfect! |
| 03:27.13 | Legorol | more CC, more kiting etc. |
| 03:27.14 | clad|sleep | i hate you |
| 03:27.15 | clad|sleep | in the face |
| 03:27.25 | Legorol | Garoun: i can't get anything for anyone |
| 03:27.31 | Mikma | hate ya back double with seal on it |
| 03:27.37 | Legorol | these are people that go "well, i think tonight i have time, i will come to Karazhan" |
| 03:27.37 | leethal | makes me going "bah we haven't cleared kara yet, we suck" sound kinda silly heh |
| 03:27.40 | Legorol | we are very very casual |
| 03:27.40 | Garoun | the 4s reduction in traps cooldown is nice :) |
| 03:27.59 | Garoun | I guess moreso than us :) |
| 03:27.59 | Legorol | there are 3 people in the entire guild that have all heroic keys |
| 03:28.07 | Legorol | there are some that have 1 or 2 keys |
| 03:28.27 | Corrodias | our guild sounds a little more "hardcore" than yours, but is still casual for raiding |
| 03:28.30 | Legorol | we were happy we got 15 people through Kara attunement |
| 03:28.31 | Garoun | we do kara on Fri/sat/sun , 9-12/8-13/3-6 |
| 03:28.36 | Garoun | and that's it |
| 03:28.46 | Garoun | er 8-12 |
| 03:28.49 | Legorol | well the words casual and hardcore can mean a lot of things, that's the thing |
| 03:29.00 | Legorol | some of our members spend a lot of time playing, some spend little |
| 03:29.00 | Corrodias | twice a week so far. we were doing ZG and AQ several times a week back in october and such |
| 03:29.08 | Legorol | some do 5-mans all the time, some hardly ever |
| 03:29.26 | Legorol | some of our members are skilled, some are not |
| 03:29.35 | Legorol | some like numbercrunching/theories/tactics, some want free epics |
| 03:29.39 | leethal | Corrodias: we managed to clear zg in 2h30 before TBC =) *brag* |
| 03:29.45 | Legorol | it's really a great mish-mash, keeping it together is a miracle, but it works |
| 03:29.48 | Corrodias | i do the research and i also want free epics :) |
| 03:29.49 | Legorol | and we are one happy family |
| 03:29.58 | Garoun | most of our memebers or older, so I do what I can to get everyone raid time that wants it.. but the schedule is fixed so they can plan around it |
| 03:30.01 | Corrodias | that's pretty quick |
| 03:30.17 | Legorol | we don't have a regular, core group of raiders |
| 03:30.21 | Legorol | that's maybe 5 people |
| 03:30.26 | Legorol | the rest are whoever happens to sign up |
| 03:30.30 | leethal | Corrodias: yeah, it was very good for our self esteem =P |
| 03:30.36 | Garoun | yeah, you can't really schedule a set time withouta core :) |
| 03:30.44 | Legorol | we used to do ZG and AQ20 too, but we got smaller since |
| 03:30.47 | leethal | Corrodias: we're one of those "raid three times a day, but when we raid we raid 100%" kinda guilds |
| 03:30.54 | leethal | err |
| 03:30.55 | Legorol | leethal: makes sense |
| 03:30.57 | leethal | three times a week* |
| 03:31.01 | Corrodias | 3 times a day, lol |
| 03:31.07 | Legorol | i'd put that like this: time spent - casual, attention - hardcore |
| 03:31.09 | leethal | yeah, nihilum ftw =P |
| 03:31.24 | Corrodias | i can't spend as much time on it now that i have a job |
| 03:31.24 | Garoun | my newest rule for the raids are if we start late we'll continue until that time ismade up or 30min whichever is least |
| 03:31.36 | Legorol | anyway, back to the original puzzle |
| 03:31.45 | Legorol | you have a raid group consisting of these 10 people: |
| 03:31.57 | Corrodias | 5 of us tried heroic ramparts yesterday. it went great except the dragon of the last boss encounter |
| 03:32.10 | Legorol | prot warr, prot warr, resto drood, priest, holy pali, 2 rogues, 2 hunters, mage |
| 03:32.11 | Corrodias | OHB raped us so we pranced on over to the ramparts |
| 03:32.19 | Legorol | none of them are capabel of kiting |
| 03:32.27 | Legorol | how do you kill Moroes with the four adds mentioned |
| 03:32.34 | Garoun | that is a LOT of healing :) |
| 03:32.36 | Corrodias | you have two hunters and a mage, which were listed as options |
| 03:32.54 | Garoun | and I can see where you'd have a problem |
| 03:32.56 | Legorol | as i said, none of them are capable of kiting |
| 03:33.04 | Garoun | lack of dps alone makes that setup really hard |
| 03:33.07 | Legorol | not reliably anyway, without taking damage |
| 03:33.10 | Corrodias | and the shadow priest can't be "kited" anyway. tanking isn't a lot of use on her as i recall. |
| 03:33.19 | Legorol | right |
| 03:33.28 | Corrodias | she'll mana burn and be a general nuisance anyway |
| 03:33.29 | Legorol | Garoun: what do you mean by lack of dps? |
| 03:33.32 | leethal | Legorol: how skilled/well geared healers do you have? |
| 03:33.33 | Legorol | we have 2 tanks, 3 healers, rest are dps |
| 03:33.47 | Legorol | the druid and priest are well geared and well skilled, the paladin is not |
| 03:33.51 | Garoun | the 2nd prot war drops dps quite a bit |
| 03:34.07 | Garoun | an arms/fury+prot warrior can easily manage offtank duty |
| 03:34.25 | Legorol | i know they can, i didn't ask what i should've brought, i mentioned what i had to work with ;-) |
| 03:34.43 | Legorol | the hunters can be called up on to run around placing traps, and they can fire concussive shots |
| 03:34.43 | Garoun | yeah I was trying to justify what I meant by lack fo dps :) |
| 03:34.51 | Legorol | but wing clip doesn't sound familiar to them |
| 03:34.52 | clad|sleep | uhh. |
| 03:34.52 | clad|sleep | wow. |
| 03:34.53 | clad|sleep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97829798&sid=1 |
| 03:35.00 | Legorol | the mage can frost nova, but i wouldn't count on him reliably stayig away from a mob |
| 03:35.03 | Garoun | best way for a hunter to cc the adds in there |
| 03:35.14 | Garoun | pull the mob to a far corner, trap there |
| 03:35.28 | Garoun | hunter runs as far to another corner in range to dps as they can and lay next trap there |
| 03:35.33 | Corrodias | maybe you need to have one of the warriors tanking the adds, then |
| 03:35.46 | Corrodias | and... pets on moroes or something |
| 03:35.50 | leethal | clad|sleep: you're on US, right? Log in and troll! |
| 03:35.53 | Legorol | Garoun: and then the trapped mob goes for the main healer after getting out of the trap, instead of heading for the hunter. your suggestion? |
| 03:36.01 | Garoun | problem there is you can't really single tank moroes and the pet will get destroyed in one hit :) |
| 03:36.05 | Legorol | hehe this is cool, lets' have a simulated raid |
| 03:36.09 | Legorol | i'm the computer :o) |
| 03:36.19 | Garoun | that's why your hunter needs to hit them hard off the start |
| 03:36.26 | clad|sleep | leethal: I bet cogwheel will get to it first |
| 03:36.38 | Legorol | doesn't matter, as the fight goes on, the healers build aggro on the trapped mob, the hunter doesn't |
| 03:36.38 | Garoun | if no one else is touching that mob and the hunter doesn't get healed, you shouldn't have a problem with it going after a healer |
| 03:36.52 | Legorol | but it *is* a problem |
| 03:36.54 | leethal | it's hit 8 when searching for "viewport" in the google-wiki-search thingie |
| 03:36.56 | Legorol | the trapped mob sees the healer threat |
| 03:37.17 | leethal | top 5 hits were all lua snippets from the svn though lol |
| 03:38.10 | Legorol | unresolved problems: assuming you can shackle one and hunter trap one, what do you do with the remaining two adds |
| 03:38.21 | Legorol | what do you do with the trapped mob that, when freed, goes for a healer |
| 03:38.29 | Garoun | yeah but the threat shouldn't be very high for the healer if it didn't do anything to the hunter or someone that hit it |
| 03:38.36 | Legorol | not true |
| 03:38.41 | Legorol | all mobs see all healer threat |
| 03:38.45 | leethal | clad|sleep: is the nice anti-troll post just added to that threat _the_ Satrina? |
| 03:39.18 | Legorol | Garoun: your theory might even be correct, i am stating what happened in practice |
| 03:39.29 | leethal | oh, it wasn't nice and anti-troll, I just didn't read further than the "nice" part |
| 03:39.29 | Legorol | mob gets out, goes rampaging the healers |
| 03:39.30 | Garoun | that's weird, I'd have to test it I could certainly be wrong |
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| 03:40.03 | Legorol | i'm happy to provide the solution that worked in the end, if ou don't want to think about it |
| 03:40.09 | Garoun | now actually if you had someone, like the shadow priest, that directly effected the hunter with something like VE most definately... now I'm curious:) |
| 03:40.26 | Garoun | one sec, I'm thinking :P |
| 03:40.30 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:40.35 | Legorol | reminder, the adds are: |
| 03:40.47 | Legorol | shadow priest, holy paladin (these are the clothies), arms warrior, prot warrior (plates) |
| 03:41.12 | Legorol | the tanks and the priest are probably the best geared and skilled players |
| 03:41.19 | Garoun | arms was shackled for sure |
| 03:41.32 | Garoun | rogues focused on shadow first |
| 03:41.33 | Legorol | holy paladin dispels shackle |
| 03:41.43 | Legorol | you just wiped your raid |
| 03:41.51 | Legorol | oh, and the trash started respawning |
| 03:41.58 | Legorol | please go back to square one on the game board |
| 03:42.03 | Legorol | :o) |
| 03:42.09 | Garoun | both hunters on holy paly, paladin fearing prot |
| 03:42.15 | Garoun | I hadn't finished the pull logic :) |
| 03:42.19 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 03:42.31 | Garoun | the first pull is the true difficulty of that fight |
| 03:42.33 | Legorol | when you say "on the holy pali", what do you mean? |
| 03:42.44 | Legorol | silencing shot doesn't work against cleanse ;-) |
| 03:42.49 | Garoun | hunters pull the holy paladin off the bat and alternate traps |
| 03:43.08 | Legorol | ok, let's say you do that |
| 03:43.10 | Garoun | once you get him away from the raid that isn't an issue |
| 03:43.30 | Legorol | let's assume that by some miracle they can keep it trapped away from the raid at all times |
| 03:43.37 | Legorol | who do you shackle then? |
| 03:43.42 | Garoun | arms warrior every time |
| 03:43.50 | Garoun | he will kick the crap out of your raid in a heartbeat |
| 03:43.58 | Legorol | ok, let's say you go with that |
| 03:43.59 | leethal | is paladin the same as loladin? </silly> |
| 03:44.00 | Garoun | with shackle macro the main healer can run double duty easily |
| 03:44.19 | Legorol | sure, the priest is good, you can use him to shackle to your heart content, and keep the tanks up |
| 03:44.39 | Garoun | so that leaves the prot war |
| 03:44.41 | Legorol | ok, you have shadow priest and prot warrior left to deal with |
| 03:45.08 | Garoun | your second tank on moroes should pick up shadow priest off the bat while building aggro off moroes at the same time |
| 03:45.14 | Garoun | rogues interupt and put all dps they cna out |
| 03:45.33 | Garoun | paly fears, with mage watching for frost nova if needed |
| 03:45.41 | Legorol | oh no, the shadow priest is ranged, doesn't want to come to where the tanks are fighting moroes |
| 03:45.44 | Garoun | the sahdow priest should be down very quickly |
| 03:45.48 | Legorol | 2nd tank loses aggro and a rogue is gibbed |
| 03:46.04 | Garoun | see that's where things are weird |
| 03:46.18 | Garoun | we've had SP the last 2 weeks and she came to the bottom fo the stairs everytime |
| 03:46.26 | Legorol | yup, that's true |
| 03:46.27 | Garoun | we tank moroes in the center right at the bottomof the stairs |
| 03:46.31 | Legorol | you could tank moroes and her there |
| 03:46.37 | Legorol | ok, let's say you do that |
| 03:46.40 | Garoun | and if your rogues are on the ball she shouldn't get any casts off |
| 03:46.46 | Legorol | ok, so sp is tanked, and rogues stunlock it even |
| 03:47.03 | Legorol | you try to fear the prot warrior |
| 03:47.14 | Legorol | oops wait, the paladin is crap, he can just about do his healing duty |
| 03:47.17 | Garoun | that's the thing though, if she isn't killed quickly, it's game over before it even starts |
| 03:47.20 | Legorol | ok maybe he can fear |
| 03:47.24 | Legorol | but he forgets to cleanse |
| 03:47.35 | Legorol | heal, fear and cleanse is clearly too much for him |
| 03:47.55 | Legorol | oh no, the mage was a bit too late with that frost nova, the mob got feared out, the fight is reset |
| 03:48.16 | leethal | the fear lasts for 20 secs and has a 30 sec CD, isn't it so? |
| 03:48.18 | leethal | or was it 1 min CD? |
| 03:48.21 | leethal | pala fear |
| 03:48.30 | Legorol | leethal: 1 min CD, lastst 30 sec, but i could be wrong |
| 03:48.38 | Legorol | at any rate, there is a duration when it's not feared |
| 03:48.56 | Legorol | most likely whacking away happily on the paladin |
| 03:49.08 | Garoun | the alternative is to sacrifice someone as a meat log or tell that resto druid to get their gear on and OT the SP for the rogues while the 2 prot wars deal with protwar/moroes |
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| 03:49.31 | Legorol | btw, i am not just painting disaster scenarios, this is really the level of play you can expect from this raid group |
| 03:49.40 | Legorol | give someone one, or at most two tasks, and they can do it |
| 03:49.43 | Legorol | more, and they will screw up |
| 03:49.47 | Garoun | which will leave your priest reallly busy, and your paly just spamming heals |
| 03:50.18 | Legorol | ok, let's have a full scenario then |
| 03:50.29 | Legorol | who pulls what where and CCs how, what's the final picture? |
| 03:50.44 | Garoun | ok well if you have an idiot paly that can only handle one job |
| 03:50.48 | Garoun | same for mage |
| 03:50.59 | Garoun | priest that knows their stuff, 2 tanks and a resto druid |
| 03:51.25 | Legorol | in all honesty i didn't think of trying the pali+mage kiting a mob with fear plus frost nova, would that be reliable enough (assuming good players)? |
| 03:51.47 | Legorol | would the mob at any point be hitting someone? |
| 03:51.48 | Garoun | hunters same duty, druid OT shadow priest off the start, 2 prot warrs deal with moroes/prot warrior |
| 03:51.56 | Garoun | shackle on arms war |
| 03:52.00 | Garoun | would be my start pull |
| 03:52.20 | Garoun | the prot war and holy paly hit for crap even on cloth |
| 03:53.13 | Legorol | ok, the holy paly resists one hunter trap, and instead of moving towards the other, runs towards the healers, about halfway through the fight |
| 03:53.21 | Legorol | in the process, she dispels the shackle on the arms warrior |
| 03:53.35 | Garoun | with that set, order of importance in death is: shadow, paly, arms, prot |
| 03:53.50 | Legorol | you mean to kill all adds? |
| 03:54.06 | Garoun | not necesarily, I was saying the importance of their death :) |
| 03:54.11 | Legorol | right |
| 03:54.15 | Garoun | form most deadly to least |
| 03:54.19 | Legorol | ok how many do you propose to kill |
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| 03:55.32 | Garoun | you're probably going to only be able to reliably keep 2 CC'd at any given time, if that |
| 03:55.32 | Legorol | right |
| 03:55.32 | Legorol | let's assume you can keep 2 CCd |
| 03:55.32 | Legorol | which ones do you kill then? |
| 03:55.32 | clad|sleep | leethal: yes =) |
| 03:55.46 | Garoun | shadowpriest died with druid OT'ing and all dps |
| 03:55.50 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:55.52 | Legorol | i am happy with that |
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| 03:56.08 | Legorol | that's out of the way |
| 03:56.09 | Garoun | holy paly dies second, with hunters picking up prot war off your offtank to move them to cc |
| 03:56.17 | Legorol | you have a hunter-trapped paly, a shackled arms, and a tanked prot |
| 03:56.26 | Legorol | hold it right there |
| 03:56.35 | Legorol | when you start hitting holy paly, she conveniently dispels the shackle |
| 03:57.08 | Garoun | did your priest stand right next to the shackle or actually put some space between them |
| 03:57.15 | Legorol | (yes this is from actual experience, almost all the disaster scenarios i paint, we have been through) |
| 03:57.29 | Legorol | there is space between them |
| 03:57.45 | leethal | Legorol: sorry for fading away btw, got busy writing CSS |
| 03:57.47 | Legorol | but the holy paly removes shackle with annoying regularity whilst being killed |
| 03:57.50 | Legorol | leethal: no probs |
| 03:58.13 | Garoun | your mage is available to Nova with good communication, and paly stun for emergency |
| 03:58.20 | Legorol | no paly stun |
| 03:58.26 | Legorol | remember, paly sucks, heal + cleanse at most |
| 03:58.30 | Garoun | lol :P |
| 03:58.51 | Legorol | mage could nova, i guess... wouldn't bet our priest's life on it |
| 03:59.09 | Legorol | even then, it works once, let's hope the holy pali dies fast enough |
| 03:59.20 | Legorol | once the frost nova breaks, that arms warrior will go rampaging |
| 03:59.44 | Garoun | when I say DPS, everyone should be DPSing the primary target |
| 03:59.58 | Legorol | sure, so it only takes 30 seconds to kill that target |
| 04:00.42 | Legorol | ok i will concede some territory here, let's say you manage to kill the holy pali, and the arms warrior only gets in a hit or two on the priest :o) |
| 04:00.46 | Garoun | if it takes 30s you'd have enough stuns to offset most every shackle cleanse |
| 04:00.46 | Legorol | then gets happily shackled at last |
| 04:00.56 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 04:01.09 | Legorol | i don't see how the length of the kill has to do with the amount of cleanse |
| 04:01.28 | Garoun | the longer she has time to cast the more dangerous she is, just like the shadow priest |
| 04:01.33 | Legorol | sure |
| 04:01.39 | Legorol | but you are assuming she is stunned all the time |
| 04:01.53 | Legorol | the first thing she does when she isn't, is to cleanse |
| 04:02.12 | Garoun | bear stun is 2-3s, should be more than enough time for both rogues to have the CP to do back to back Kidneys |
| 04:02.17 | Legorol | anyway, as i said, let's assume that all this works out with only minor hitches |
| 04:02.35 | Legorol | wait wait, you are not using the druid on the holy paly too, are you? |
| 04:02.40 | Legorol | we need those 3 healers |
| 04:02.51 | Legorol | moroes is starting to garrote, |
| 04:02.58 | leethal | clad|sleep: btw, are you an admin at wowi? Got a mod I'll never update, and no one will ever download, that might as well just be deleted. http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6286-ZonedPlayerNames.html |
| 04:02.59 | Legorol | there is some dps to heal |
| 04:03.02 | Garoun | you shouldn't need all 3 and you should be moved to Moroes by the 2nd vanish |
| 04:03.12 | Legorol | you are optimistic :o) |
| 04:03.23 | Legorol | anyway, as i said, i will give you some headway |
| 04:03.26 | Garoun | nah, that's just how I push our folks :) |
| 04:03.32 | Legorol | holy pali dead, arms warrior shackled, everyone is still allive |
| 04:03.43 | Legorol | i think you are expecting too much from our raid |
| 04:03.46 | Legorol | but lets' move on |
| 04:03.50 | Garoun | probably :P |
| 04:03.50 | leethal | clad|sleep: couldn't find any options for deleting it myself |
| 04:03.56 | Legorol | you have a prot warrior beating on the 2nd tank |
| 04:04.36 | Legorol | btw, when i say the pali is bad, he is really bad |
| 04:04.38 | Shirik|zZz | leethal, as much as it's up to you |
| 04:04.41 | Legorol | he can heal, and maybe cleanse |
| 04:04.44 | Shirik|zZz | I'd prefer that you keep it up there |
| 04:04.52 | Legorol | but at one point i had blind on me for 7 seconds before it got removed |
| 04:04.53 | Shirik|zZz | as much the general community would prefer that |
| 04:04.54 | Garoun | well if he can't cleanse, yet again, game over :) |
| 04:05.10 | Garoun | but at that point your druid is free to save your ass |
| 04:05.11 | Legorol | let's say he cleanses with 90% reliability |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik|zZz | reason being, by leaving it there, you give someone else the potential to update it in the future |
| 04:05.27 | Legorol | and yes, we did have wipes due to gouge+blind on the two tanks |
| 04:05.27 | leethal | Shirik|zZz: hmm, good point |
| 04:05.52 | Legorol | but anyway, we have a prot warrior and shackled arms warrior left |
| 04:05.53 | Legorol | what now |
| 04:05.54 | Garoun | if one tank ever gets gouged the other should turn their back to moroes |
| 04:05.56 | leethal | Shirik|zZz: then I'll have to update it, I don't want mod authors that goes "list leethal mods" to see that awful lua code =P |
| 04:06.01 | Shirik|zZz | clad|sleep knows this well and partially doesn't agree with me, but I'm a strong opposer of "deleting" projects |
| 04:06.05 | Garoun | yes it sounds stupid, but you'd be surprised :) |
| 04:06.12 | Legorol | turning your back doesn't stop blind, what you are thinking of is if one gets blinded, the other should turn their back |
| 04:06.22 | Legorol | so that they don't get gouged ;-) |
| 04:06.24 | Shirik|zZz | but it's up to you, do what you want |
| 04:06.31 | Garoun | yep |
| 04:06.38 | Legorol | that's too advanced |
| 04:06.43 | Legorol | :o) |
| 04:06.50 | Legorol | sorry but the tank doesn't react fast enough to the blind |
| 04:06.51 | Garoun | but I thought your warriors were skilled? :) |
| 04:06.55 | Legorol | aye |
| 04:07.00 | Legorol | i could probably make them learn it |
| 04:07.10 | Shirik|zZz | but to answer your question leethal |
| 04:07.12 | Shirik|zZz | yes, she can delete it |
| 04:07.13 | Shirik|zZz | he* |
| 04:07.14 | Shirik|zZz | damn it |
| 04:07.18 | Legorol | Garoun: so that works |
| 04:07.23 | Shirik|zZz | clad|sleep needs to change his name so I stop thinking he's a girl |
| 04:07.27 | Legorol | what next |
| 04:07.31 | Legorol | do you kill Moroes at this point? |
| 04:07.37 | Garoun | yes |
| 04:07.38 | leethal | Shirik|zZz: Cairenn is a she though, right? |
| 04:07.42 | Legorol | what about the prot warrior? |
| 04:07.42 | Shirik|zZz | yes |
| 04:07.46 | Shirik|zZz | but was referring to clad|sleep |
| 04:07.46 | Legorol | happily beating on 2nd tank? |
| 04:07.50 | Garoun | with 2 warriors moroes should be thunder clapped and disarmed every time it's up |
| 04:07.59 | Garoun | which severely gimps hisdamage |
| 04:08.06 | Shadowed | Shirik|zZz: What if you decide you don't want to support something on a specific site so you want it deleted |
| 04:08.12 | Garoun | and act5ually having tha tprot warrior on your second tank is a godo thing |
| 04:08.13 | Legorol | i think he might be immune to disarm, but at any rate he hits like a girls so that's no big deal |
| 04:08.17 | Legorol | the tanks have good mitigation |
| 04:08.37 | Legorol | sure, because it gives rage to 2nd tank |
| 04:08.40 | Garoun | with that prot warrior beating your off tank you actually have a dummy form of cleanse :) |
| 04:08.44 | Garoun | and it breaks the gouge/blind |
| 04:08.49 | Legorol | nope |
| 04:08.51 | Legorol | it doesn't, actually |
| 04:08.55 | Legorol | he is smarter than that |
| 04:08.58 | Legorol | i was just about to come to that |
| 04:09.17 | Legorol | at 3 and a half minutes into the fight, 2nd tank gets blinded, and even if main tank turns back, the blind isn't removed for 4 seconds |
| 04:09.17 | clad|sleep | Shirik|zZz: why does my name make you think i'm a girl? |
| 04:09.32 | Shirik|zZz | I think the fact that it ends with a vowel, not sure >< |
| 04:09.34 | Legorol | the prot warrior leaves the blinded tank, and gives the resto druid a good one-shot |
| 04:09.44 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 04:09.48 | Garoun | so they actually did put the logic in for the cancel attack, interesting |
| 04:09.48 | jim|sleep | better> |
| 04:09.53 | Shirik|zZz | beautiful |
| 04:10.01 | Legorol | Garoun: sadly they did, as we painfully found out |
| 04:10.06 | Shirik|zZz | Shadowed: Like I said, it depends on the person and the conditions |
| 04:10.08 | Shadowed | Garoun: All NPC's react like that |
| 04:10.14 | Shirik|zZz | I think we've already been through this |
| 04:10.29 | Shadowed | Except for some of the stupid ones in stuff like escort quests |
| 04:10.46 | Legorol | anyway, want to hear what we ended up doing? |
| 04:10.50 | Garoun | sure |
| 04:10.59 | Legorol | i thin the strategy you outlined could work, with some practice, but i am skeptical |
| 04:11.08 | Legorol | it relies too much on accurate play and communication |
| 04:11.18 | Legorol | eg. the mage being alert and frost nova-ing to save the priest |
| 04:11.36 | Legorol | also the druid would probably either not go bear, or if he did, we wouldn't have enough healing |
| 04:11.42 | Legorol | so, what we did: |
| 04:11.53 | leethal | Shirik|zZz: I did the same thing. he has a nelf female as avatar too, confusing stuff |
| 04:11.58 | Garoun | hehe, funny I had come to the conclusion that moroes was a communcation test as well as logic :P, but continue |
| 04:12.11 | Legorol | pick up shadow priest with pets and rogues, shackle holy pali, hunter trap prot warrior, 2nd tank tanks arms warrior |
| 04:12.31 | Legorol | shadow priest is stunlocked/nuked etc., dies without causing too much trouble |
| 04:12.36 | Legorol | then the arms warrior gets killed |
| 04:12.51 | Legorol | prot warrior is kept trapped, and holy pali shackled throughout |
| 04:12.56 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night time |
| 04:12.57 | Shirik|zZz | take care |
| 04:13.07 | Legorol | you see, the arms warrior dishes out a lot of pain on the tanks, but that's ok |
| 04:13.23 | Legorol | because the tanks can take it, the healing is sufficient, and this minimises the risk of him running loose |
| 04:13.47 | Garoun | and the arms DOES give a form of ghetto cleanse |
| 04:13.55 | Legorol | also since the holy pali is the one shackled, there is no risk associated with her cleansing a shakcle |
| 04:13.55 | Garoun | with his whirlwind attack |
| 04:14.00 | Legorol | noone needs to change targets or roles |
| 04:14.07 | Legorol | yup, he cleaves the two tanks constantly |
| 04:14.11 | Legorol | but not for long, as he is killed 2nd |
| 04:14.34 | Legorol | everyone has pretty much one function, except for the hunters who trap, and the good priest who has to shackle |
| 04:14.50 | Legorol | the tanks have to work a bit to make sure they build aggro both on moroes and the arms warrior, but they can do it |
| 04:15.01 | Legorol | (both tanks need to build aggro on arms warrior to make sure he doesn't go rampaging due to a blind) |
| 04:15.19 | Legorol | but the tanks are good, so they accomplish this by "stealing" threat from each other on the arms warrior with taunts |
| 04:16.00 | Legorol | the pali is sloppy and forgets to cleanse once in a while, but then the arms warrior just hits the other tank |
| 04:16.12 | Legorol | he dies anyway second |
| 04:16.15 | Legorol | so, there you go |
| 04:16.19 | Legorol | that's what i had to dumb it down to |
| 04:16.50 | Legorol | oh, and the hunters eventually figured out how to deal with the fact that the guy out of the trap will go for the healers: |
| 04:17.05 | Legorol | i finally managed to get them to put the new trap between the currently frozen target and the healer |
| 04:17.20 | Legorol | they managed to accomplish this once i put a big blue square on the priest's head, who generated the most healer threat |
| 04:18.17 | Legorol | lol how long have we discussed this :D |
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| 04:18.26 | Legorol | anyway moroes died and dropped a warrior girdle :o) |
| 04:18.31 | Garoun | that certainyl works, didn't think of it that way... granted it helps when you are the raid leader and see how your group plays :) |
| 04:18.37 | leethal | Legorol: by the way, you might be interested in my latest, kind of useful, addon. http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7086-MeatShield.html |
| 04:18.54 | Legorol | Garoun: sure, i didn't mean for you to find a "perfect" solution |
| 04:19.00 | Legorol | i was fishing for possible ideas for the future ;-) |
| 04:19.37 | Garoun | your biggest warrior in that scenario is that holy paly breaking free and being missed for any period of time |
| 04:19.43 | Garoun | worry even |
| 04:19.49 | Legorol | why? |
| 04:19.54 | Legorol | at worst she hits the priest once |
| 04:19.59 | Shirik|zZz | wb clad|sleep :D |
| 04:19.59 | Garoun | he'll immediately try and heal someone |
| 04:20.01 | Shirik|zZz | now go to sleep |
| 04:20.04 | clad|sleep | thx. |
| 04:20.05 | clad|sleep | i am =) |
| 04:20.05 | Garoun | if he is in range |
| 04:20.08 | clad|sleep | had to install system updates |
| 04:20.09 | Garoun | and that's a bad thing :) |
| 04:20.21 | Legorol | our priest was good, she didn't break once |
| 04:20.27 | Shirik|zZz | ah |
| 04:20.30 | Garoun | but also sounds like you were lucky and had a good priest |
| 04:20.36 | Legorol | i understand that's a bad thing |
| 04:20.43 | Legorol | but that was a risk i was willing to take |
| 04:20.53 | Legorol | compared to the other risks ;-) |
| 04:20.53 | Garoun | the two palys are notorius for breaking shackle, stunning the shackler and well it isn't pretty :) |
| 04:21.13 | Legorol | unless they are being shackled themselves :o) |
| 04:21.29 | Garoun | but good shacklers that always recast after 5-6s shouldn't ever run into that :) as you saw |
| 04:21.33 | Legorol | btw, if we get two palis, we are really in trouble |
| 04:21.36 | Legorol | then we can't shackle at all |
| 04:21.47 | Legorol | since we only have one priest |
| 04:21.59 | Legorol | and yes, we managed him once like that |
| 04:22.03 | Legorol | that was painful |
| 04:22.13 | Garoun | that's where the tough love starts :) and teaching some of the more advanced techniques |
| 04:22.29 | Garoun | if you don't kill yourself first |
| 04:22.29 | Legorol | anyway i will stop boring you with this now |
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| 04:22.45 | Garoun | I understand what you're going through |
| 04:23.00 | Garoun | I have a warlock I have to figure out how to train.. cause he doesn't pull his weight at all |
| 04:23.06 | Legorol | i'm getting the peeps to start using their action bar to its full extent, but it has to be applied gently |
| 04:23.07 | Garoun | I outdps him in bear form tanking |
| 04:23.09 | Legorol | it's a big step up from MC |
| 04:23.34 | Legorol | one of the biggest problems is situational awareness |
| 04:23.44 | Legorol | it's really low on most people |
| 04:23.45 | Garoun | he's similar to your paladin that can't really multi-tasked |
| 04:23.48 | Garoun | -ed |
| 04:24.01 | Legorol | people are used to watching one thing, more often than not not the game field |
| 04:24.08 | Garoun | I told him to banish the concubine... that's ALL he did |
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| 04:24.32 | Legorol | well at least he banished ;-) |
| 04:24.43 | Garoun | yeah, but she got a swing off on someone every time |
| 04:25.03 | Legorol | didn't have voidy out? |
| 04:25.25 | Garoun | imp |
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| 04:25.39 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 04:25.54 | Legorol | at least in our case the one that gets hit is the warlock himself |
| 04:25.58 | Garoun | we won't get into the brain matter all over the place when I attempted to get him to use his felhound :P |
| 04:26.52 | Garoun | spell lock, devour magic, banish.... if you only knew how hard those 3 abilities can be for esomeone :P |
| 04:26.58 | Legorol | i do enjoy raid leading though, i like the fact i get to play with 10 pawns... i mean people |
| 04:27.02 | Legorol | and come up with tactics |
| 04:27.10 | Legorol | but, i always have to keep stepping down from what i plan |
| 04:27.21 | Garoun | have you done Ushers yet? |
| 04:27.26 | Legorol | yup |
| 04:27.30 | Legorol | they are fun |
| 04:27.33 | Garoun | if your tanks can do the double method on moroes... they should be cake |
| 04:27.37 | Legorol | but, since we have good tanks, not a problem |
| 04:27.46 | Garoun | unless of coruse your dps do something silly :) |
| 04:27.50 | Legorol | i just have to teeach the dps to |
| 04:27.53 | Legorol | lol you beat me to it |
| 04:28.00 | Legorol | i was going to say they are still a bit trigger happy |
| 04:28.04 | Garoun | I don't let our dps start until the first tomb |
| 04:28.14 | Legorol | wow, i would never get that past them |
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| 04:28.29 | Garoun | well, when you say big blue block... fire away |
| 04:28.29 | Legorol | but, you are right, that'd be a good way to make sure everything's in order |
| 04:28.42 | Legorol | that's hard for people to comprehend.. |
| 04:28.51 | Legorol | you see, the "don't fire at the start" bit is too much for some |
| 04:28.55 | Legorol | :o) |
| 04:28.56 | Garoun | it's hard for them to mess that up, or when I say no dps until you hear me say it |
| 04:29.02 | Legorol | ok that's just kidding, i can get them to do that |
| 04:29.10 | Garoun | of coruse... that can be a problem when I forget to start dps :P |
| 04:29.13 | Legorol | oh, the "no dps until i say so" doesn't work ;-) |
| 04:29.22 | Legorol | they either don't wait, don't understand, or dont hear the "dps away" |
| 04:29.35 | Legorol | lol i wish that was my biggest problem |
| 04:29.49 | Garoun | my exact words are, "Don't start dps until you see the big ice block" |
| 04:29.53 | Legorol | but i will try the tomb thing |
| 04:30.04 | Garoun | but I also say "dps now" as well for additional reinforcement |
| 04:31.09 | Legorol | yup, redundancy ftw |
| 04:31.09 | Garoun | misdirection is <3 in karazhan btw ;) |
| 04:31.09 | Legorol | anyway, this all started with me asking leethal if he knew the effects of +weapon skill exactly |
| 04:31.09 | Legorol | oh that's one skill my hunters know and love to use |
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| 04:31.10 | leethal | no idea, it's a mystery like you said yourself =/ |
| 04:31.10 | Legorol | if only i could add wing clip... *sigh* |
| 04:31.17 | Garoun | you're priests will love it as well hehe |
| 04:31.25 | Garoun | until the hunter missclicks.... |
| 04:31.37 | Legorol | yup, happened |
| 04:31.42 | Garoun | we had a rogue get roffled due to a bad click |
| 04:32.29 | Garoun | it is a fun way to deal with mages that like to go invis if they think a fight is going south and you wipe due to it ;) |
| 04:32.54 | Garoun | needless to say, our mages now fight to the death hehe |
| 04:34.11 | Legorol | that's one rule that i finally managed people to learn |
| 04:34.18 | Legorol | we don't run until the RL calls out |
| 04:34.24 | Legorol | only one person is ever allowed to call a RUUUUUN |
| 04:34.44 | Legorol | sure it happens that we call it a little late sometimes |
| 04:34.53 | Legorol | but i'd rather that then someone deciding on their own and run too early |
| 04:35.28 | Garoun | I don't mind someone avoiding repairs if they are about to die... but it's like self defense |
| 04:35.42 | Garoun | you better be in the last room with no way out except playing dead :) |
| 04:36.37 | Legorol | i'm afraid i have to finish this exciting discussion and take my leave |
| 04:36.39 | Legorol | good night all |
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| 04:39.27 | Garoun | have a good one, I got no leveling done on my warlock :) |
| 04:39.31 | Garoun | but that's ok hehe |
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| 04:54.58 | Shirik|zZz | so many antiars... |
| 04:59.33 | Corrodias | tell me, can you access http://corrodias.no-ip.org ? |
| 05:00.01 | Karrion | Corrodias: doesn't look like it |
| 05:00.07 | Karrion | "Connection to.." |
| 05:00.15 | Corrodias | hmmm |
| 05:00.17 | Karrion | er, "connecting to..." |
| 05:00.54 | Shirik|zZz | I can |
| 05:01.01 | Shirik|zZz | sorta |
| 05:01.08 | Corrodias | what's going on here... |
| 05:01.16 | Shirik|zZz | Corrodias: I do get information |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik|zZz | followed by a timeout |
| 05:01.29 | Corrodias | lemme tinker here |
| 05:01.48 | Thunder_Child1 | i do get an icmp return though |
| 05:02.00 | Corrodias | ah! stupid me. i forgot i need to tack the port number on the end. |
| 05:02.13 | Corrodias | i haven't used this thing in so long... |
| 05:02.33 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/ |
| 05:02.54 | Thunder_Child1 | works |
| 05:03.22 | Thunder_Child1 | your ss is to crowded |
| 05:04.00 | Corrodias | can't help it |
| 05:04.01 | Shirik|zZz | Corrodias: What you got running on port 53? |
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| 05:04.11 | Corrodias | checking... |
| 05:04.34 | Shirik|zZz | you also do appear to be running an http server on port 80.. |
| 05:05.10 | Thunder_Child1 | and you have an unbelivable ammount of pics |
| 05:05.22 | Corrodias | as far as i'm aware, i'm not running anything on 53 on my computer. however, my computer is connected to a router which is connected to a modem that is also a router which i got from my ISP |
| 05:05.26 | Shirik|zZz | non-porn pics* |
| 05:05.40 | Corrodias | the modem or router might be responding |
| 05:06.02 | Corrodias | actually, some are porn, but the meaning of the folder name was that i didn't save them for erotic value |
| 05:06.06 | Shirik|zZz | Corrodias: http://wowi.pastey.net/14407 but w/e, it just sparked my interest |
| 05:06.10 | Thunder_Child1 | corr must have some odd ideas of "non-porn" |
| 05:06.23 | Thunder_Child1 | ah...ok then |
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| 05:06.47 | Corrodias | hmm, well, haven't a clue, shirik. |
| 05:06.56 | Shirik|zZz | But, I will say I DID get a response from that first address you gave |
| 05:07.02 | Shirik|zZz | not a really... useful one, it was a blank page |
| 05:07.05 | Shirik|zZz | but it was a response nonetheless |
| 05:07.12 | Corrodias | could be the modem or router. i wouldn't put it past them. |
| 05:07.21 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, good night |
| 05:07.26 | Corrodias | thanks. 'ni |
| 05:08.18 | wobin_ | hurrah |
| 05:08.21 | wobin_ | INTARWEBS |
| 05:09.14 | Shirik|zZz | Cairenn|afk |
| 05:09.16 | Shirik|zZz | are you still here |
| 05:09.34 | Cairenn|afk | nope, I'm a figmentation of your imaginement |
| 05:11.13 | ckknight | I'm wondering how much info is out there that dictates what addon is viewed as the "current" addon |
| 05:16.32 | Corrodias | whoever is downloading images: you're free to do so as much as you want, but i'm curious if you are intending to download all 2500 of them? |
| 05:17.13 | Thunder_Child1 | i'm browsing them, i dunno if thats what you mean |
| 05:17.17 | Thunder_Child1 | not downloading them |
| 05:17.19 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97739994&postId=975611996&sid=1#0 |
| 05:17.31 | Corrodias | oh, well, to a web server it's the same thing |
| 05:18.06 | Thunder_Child1 | nope, just never been in a wow porn folder before...kinda sad i went in there |
| 05:18.34 | Corrodias | i have a habit of collecting things. images are free so sometimes i'll start collecting a category. :/ |
| 05:18.53 | Thunder_Child1 | or geting rid of ones that are empty |
| 05:19.24 | Corrodias | i didn't understand that part |
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| 05:20.19 | Thunder_Child1 | well if you concider that folders = categorys i mean, e.g. you have at least one empt folder |
| 05:20.28 | Thunder_Child1 | empty* |
| 05:20.37 | Corrodias | i don't think i have any empty ones... |
| 05:21.05 | Thunder_Child1 | http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/non-porn/wallpapers/4x3 |
| 05:21.29 | Corrodias | oh, yes, indeed... i think i decided i'd just toss "wallpaper worthy" images in with the rest of them |
| 05:21.36 | Corrodias | forgot to delete it apparently |
| 05:22.43 | Thunder_Child1 | wow...you really do have small viewable size on your ss |
| 05:23.23 | Corrodias | yes, but i can't think of a good way to reduce clutter without reducing functionality. |
| 05:23.45 | Thunder_Child1 | bigger screen/resolution |
| 05:23.54 | Thunder_Child1 | i couldbnt belive the diff |
| 05:23.57 | Corrodias | hahah, yes. well, i'm working on it. |
| 05:24.02 | Corrodias | i need a few more paychecks |
| 05:24.16 | Thunder_Child1 | 300 bought me a 22' |
| 05:24.23 | Thunder_Child1 | shouldnt be to bad |
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| 05:25.53 | Thunder_Child1 | heh |
| 05:26.43 | Iriel | Corrodias: What resolution? |
| 05:27.14 | Corrodias | i think one of the work computers uses 1280x1024 and the other is a widescreen laptop of unknown resolution |
| 05:27.14 | Thunder_Child1 | this is what mine looks like atm http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/465826045_615bfe0dd1_b.jpg |
| 05:28.06 | Corrodias | work-safe, work-safe...no, not this one... |
| 05:28.11 | Iriel | Corrodias: There's a couple of really old ones of mine here http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/pages/backdrops/index.html |
| 05:28.20 | Iriel | Corrodias: Though they're likely all not that good |
| 05:28.42 | Corrodias | hmm. interesting, but not really my kind |
| 05:28.53 | Iriel | 6 years old |
| 05:29.04 | Thunder_Child1 | you can use anything you find here http://thunder-child.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
| 05:29.42 | Corrodias | thanks |
| 05:30.29 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 05:36.25 | Tem | ahh |
| 05:36.38 | Tem | that penny arcade comic about the mage review is so good |
| 05:36.48 | Corrodias | link? |
| 05:37.21 | Tem | I had http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/05/08 |
| 05:37.37 | Tem | I had a very similar conversation with my roomate |
| 05:37.45 | Tem | (him playing the part of tycho) |
| 05:37.52 | Corrodias | hah, nice |
| 05:38.36 | Tem | "am I? DAMNIT!" |
| 05:38.54 | Tem | oh man.. that's exactly how I was a year ago |
| 05:39.02 | Corrodias | i've always liked this one: http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/non-porn/joker.jpg |
| 05:39.05 | Corrodias | i'll probably use that for a while |
| 05:40.03 | Tem | I require a new desktop image |
| 05:40.22 | leethal | url.com/non-porn/ seems kinda lol |
| 05:40.31 | leethal | what's url.com/porn? |
| 05:40.47 | Corrodias | i'm tossing my good, work-safe, wallpaper-worthy images into a folder |
| 05:40.58 | Corrodias | there is no /porn folder |
| 05:41.18 | Corrodias | non-porn is within the folder in which i save all my images. everything outside of non-porn/ is porn. |
| 05:41.19 | leethal | aaw |
| 05:41.40 | Corrodias | but the others are not shared on the web server |
| 05:41.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know you may have a problem |
| 05:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | when instead of having a porn folder |
| 05:41.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything that's not porn gets a folder instead |
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| 05:44.33 | Corrodias | i don't have a problem. i have a hobby. >_> |
| 05:45.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | the first step is admitting you have a problem |
| 05:45.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
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| 05:45.22 | raevanmorlock | The first step is admitting you have a hobby |
| 05:46.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am a brave man for going into /what the flying fuck is this/ |
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| 05:46.44 | Corrodias | you may regret it |
| 05:46.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i regret nothing |
| 05:46.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | the internet has stopped freaking me out |
| 05:47.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | not even furry art bothers me anymore, guro's the only thing that still makes me flinch |
| 05:48.27 | raevanmorlock | maybe it's the rabies |
| 05:48.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | people in fursuits scare me though |
| 05:48.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | still |
| 05:48.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the 4chan and somethingawful |
| 05:48.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | between the two of those, not much freaks me out anymore :[ |
| 05:49.15 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/non-porn/pics_26_ziza.jpg |
| 05:51.35 | Corrodias | damn, another delicious wallpaper possibility derailed by the work-safe requirement! |
| 05:53.57 | Corrodias | and http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/non-porn/1164459446463.jpg is good for a laugh |
| 05:54.33 | Corrodias | although you may have to be familiar with children's programming in america |
| 05:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | your mom is children's programming in america |
| 05:55.44 | Cairenn|afk | >< |
| 05:55.44 | Corrodias | i love rabies |
| 05:55.44 | Cairenn|afk | can we please calm down with the "your mom" jokes guys? |
| 05:55.44 | Cairenn|afk | <== Mom, remember? |
| 05:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine just make no sense |
| 05:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they make sense, they're just lame |
| 05:55.46 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 05:59.43 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, that one wasn't bad, but some of them push the line, and some folks get upset about them |
| 05:59.57 | Cairenn|afk | just asking you to keep it in mind |
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| 06:01.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | will do, i try to stay in the nonsensical area with my jokes :P |
| 06:02.13 | Cairenn|afk | and having completely spoiled the fun for the evening, I'm now going to bed for real - night guys |
| 06:03.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha, nn |
| 06:06.09 | Corrodias | Tain: okay, these are the mostly-wallpaper-worthy, work-safe or work-relevant images i found in my collection in a quick glance: http://corrodias.no-ip.org:29860/wallpapers/ |
| 06:06.11 | Corrodias | if you're interested |
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| 06:09.52 | Corrodias | time for bed. 'ni |
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| 06:44.27 | Tem | oh damn |
| 06:44.41 | Tem | now I'm really jealous of people with 2 monitors |
| 06:44.57 | Tem | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24425611/ |
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| 08:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | jesus |
| 08:22.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | took 45k damage to kill a holy priest |
| 08:23.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | after she killed my mage in 2v1 |
| 08:23.15 | SunTiger | but, in return the holy priest was doing almost nothing else then healing. |
| 08:23.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, she killed my party member |
| 08:23.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i let the mage try to duel her and the mage got stomped |
| 08:24.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | after that it took me 45k damage |
| 08:24.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | to kill the damn thing |
| 08:24.25 | Nom- | bear form |
| 08:24.27 | Nom- | bash during heal |
| 08:24.28 | Nom- | pwn |
| 08:25.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did better |
| 08:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i maimed and restealthed then pounced |
| 08:25.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | still took all that damage |
| 08:25.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i eventually just wore her mana down |
| 08:26.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | not to mention she was in full t5 |
| 08:26.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and me in puny ass blues |
| 08:28.29 | nevcairiel | on PTR? |
| 08:31.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 08:31.44 | nevcairiel | Why dont you buy some t5 as well ? :D |
| 08:35.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | run me through kara a few times and we'll talk |
| 08:35.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd do more dps in my crappy blues |
| 08:36.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | crap for hp though |
| 08:39.51 | Nom- | You can buy T5 on the PTR ? |
| 08:40.17 | nevcairiel | Yea |
| 08:40.24 | nevcairiel | there is a vendor next to A'dal |
| 08:40.28 | Nom- | noice |
| 08:40.33 | Nom- | and other epics too ? |
| 08:40.45 | nevcairiel | A full Item Set for raiding |
| 08:40.57 | nevcairiel | all t5 tokens, and something for every other slot |
| 08:40.57 | Nom- | niiiiice |
| 08:41.05 | Nom- | I'll be playing the PTR tonight then :P |
| 08:41.20 | Nom- | I been wanting to see how the bonuses stack up :) |
| 08:41.24 | nevcairiel | But, without Gems, the T5 is inferior to my t4 |
| 08:42.17 | Nom- | Hopefully I can find a group to Raid |
| 08:42.25 | Nom- | I'd like to try some content :) |
| 08:42.48 | Nom- | Can you get multiple T5 sets? |
| 08:42.50 | nevcairiel | there is generally someone looking for people for Black temple |
| 08:42.52 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 08:42.54 | Nom- | I'd like the healing, dps and tank sets |
| 08:42.55 | Nom- | Goodo |
| 08:44.55 | ZealotOnAStick | Nom: Sure, so long as you get the box, turn in the tokens, delete the box, rinse, repeat. |
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| 08:45.25 | ZealotOnAStick | I'll be happy when 2.1 goes live and my T5 stuff gets the free upgrade. |
| 08:46.44 | amro | damn, a mirror I was downloading from removes the download at 98% |
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| 09:58.30 | JunkHead-Work | Can anyone help me real quick? |
| 09:58.50 | leethal | depends on, but most likely =) |
| 09:58.57 | JunkHead-Work | I need help finding am addon, but I'm not 100% sure what I'm looking for. |
| 09:59.33 | JunkHead-Work | Ok I was in Kara yesterday, and the raid leader told me that at one point I needed to "Turn Undead" (I'm a paladin) to fear a mob for a bit. |
| 09:59.49 | JunkHead-Work | He asked me if I had a mod or anything that will let me know when my fear is running out. |
| 09:59.57 | leethal | naturs enemy cast bar |
| 10:00.16 | JunkHead-Work | But isn't that just to see when the enemy is casting? |
| 10:00.21 | [dRaCo] | nope |
| 10:00.27 | JunkHead-Work | And wouldn't that work only if I have the mob targetted? |
| 10:00.30 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 10:00.35 | leethal | http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/2786/natur-enemycastbar/ |
| 10:00.45 | leethal | yeah, it's a super imba addon for timing stuff like that |
| 10:01.01 | JunkHead-Work | Oh shit you're right! |
| 10:01.13 | JunkHead-Work | I was searching on curse, worldofwar and wowinterface |
| 10:01.25 | JunkHead-Work | I searched for keywords, buffs debuffs, timers, sheep... |
| 10:01.30 | JunkHead-Work | I was out of ideas. |
| 10:01.45 | JunkHead-Work | Thank you so much.:) |
| 10:01.49 | leethal | NECB is the pwn |
| 10:02.03 | leethal | it used to be an enemy cast bar thingie, but now it times pretty much all there is to time |
| 10:02.09 | JunkHead-Work | Is it easy to configure? |
| 10:02.13 | leethal | repsawn time on trash in karazhan and stuff =) |
| 10:02.16 | leethal | yeah, you get a minimap button |
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| 10:02.18 | JunkHead-Work | Ooh sweet |
| 10:02.22 | JunkHead-Work | Ok cool. |
| 10:03.08 | JunkHead-Work | I had my first Kara run today. It wa sufn.:) |
| 10:03.15 | JunkHead-Work | This will help me today I'm sure. |
| 10:03.16 | leethal | yeah it's a great instance |
| 10:03.26 | JunkHead-Work | We did... 3 bosses. |
| 10:03.36 | JunkHead-Work | Moroes, Big Bad Wolf, and Maiden. |
| 10:04.01 | JunkHead-Work | I got the pally boots off of moroes. |
| 10:04.46 | nevcairiel | you skipped attumen? |
| 10:04.48 | leethal | ftw |
| 10:05.04 | JunkHead-Work | nevcairiel - i think they did him the day before maybe? |
| 10:05.14 | JunkHead-Work | Added "Seal of Vengeance" (Paladin) to Debuffs only visible by Paladins. (Requested by sr1030nx) <-- awesome. |
| 10:07.06 | JunkHead-Work | There is this guild on my server that does a lot of instances in the morning time. And they needed a holy pally to join them. |
| 10:07.26 | JunkHead-Work | It was like, 6 of them, then PUG'ers. |
| 10:07.31 | JunkHead-Work | then 4* |
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| 10:25.38 | nevcairiel | Anyone in here used the new state stack on PTR ? |
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| 11:48.09 | hooomer | hi all |
| 11:50.12 | perkwunos | i've got a question that is probably stupid: why di i keep getting error "attemt to call global..."? |
| 11:50.40 | perkwunos | im trying to create a very simple macro using WoW API |
| 11:51.32 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.36 | Industrial | : |
| 11:51.38 | Industrial | :D |
| 11:54.02 | perkwunos | okie: macro: "/script APIFunctionThatIsNotPROTECTED(args)" |
| 11:54.30 | perkwunos | it fails with "attempt to call global blah blah.." error |
| 11:54.38 | perkwunos | thats all |
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| 12:00.47 | Industrial | np |
| 12:00.49 | Industrial | :\ |
| 12:01.56 | zenzelezz | I'd venture a guess that he typoed the function name |
| 12:02.20 | JunkHead-Work | I'm A Function! |
| 12:03.13 | JunkHead-Work | I'm Also A Grizzly Bear! |
| 12:03.16 | JunkHead-Work | ROAR! |
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| 12:09.45 | ckknight | btw, perkwunos' problem was that he was playing on a private server with the WoW 1.12 patch. |
| 12:10.21 | zenzelezz | so that's why he didn't want to tell us the function name |
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| 12:31.00 | zenzelezz | [string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:3: stack overflow |
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| 12:40.40 | zenzelezz | did they remove message() as a function, or do I have some addon or whatnot that disabled it? |
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| 12:58.57 | Nom- | anyone know a one-liner you can use to surpress the bind on pickup warning ? |
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| 13:16.32 | Rihlsul | Morning |
| 13:19.04 | Rihlsul | I have a line of inquiry relating to GetGuildInfo("PLAYER") and add-on initialization. Anyone savvy to the login events have a moment to discuss? Behaved very unexpectedly (thought I'll admit whenver I expect things, I'm often wrong. =) |
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| 13:21.55 | ClemSnide | Any AddOn authors awake? |
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| 13:22.18 | zenzelezz | that's a very open question |
| 13:22.19 | Rihlsul | I'm not much of an author, but I'm also not much of awake. =P |
| 13:22.37 | krka | i once was an addon author, and i once was awake |
| 13:22.43 | ClemSnide | Sounds fair to me. I was wondering whether anyone had advice about translations. |
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| 13:23.12 | Rihlsul | Beyond the WoWWiki article on how to do them, I'm guessing? |
| 13:23.32 | nevcairiel | just try us with your question |
| 13:23.48 | ClemSnide | Yes, I've done a pretty good job preparing mine for localization. But I need something a little more... accurate?... than BabelFish. |
| 13:24.02 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:24.37 | nevcairiel | i generally only put my stuff on the svn, and some magic translates it |
| 13:24.40 | zenzelezz | so what you mean is you want someone that knows a language, not necessarily localization :-p |
| 13:24.57 | ClemSnide | Right, translation not localization. |
| 13:25.15 | Rihlsul | BabelFish as in the cross-faction (alliance v horde) translation addon? |
| 13:25.17 | krka | i never translated |
| 13:25.29 | krka | i put up instructions on how to translate it |
| 13:25.41 | krka | then people were friendly enough to send me the translation when they finished writing it |
| 13:25.43 | nevcairiel | probably the real website babelfish Rihlsul :D |
| 13:25.50 | Rihlsul | heh, k |
| 13:26.06 | ClemSnide | Yes, languages like French and German, not Darnassian etc. |
| 13:26.14 | Rihlsul | <- probably should have tea before trying to be helpful |
| 13:26.47 | ClemSnide | c[_] <-- tea for Rihlsil |
| 13:27.05 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 13:27.27 | ClemSnide | krka, where did you post your mods? |
| 13:27.56 | krka | first one was on worldofwar.net, second was on curse-gaming, third was on wow-interface |
| 13:28.27 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:28.56 | nevcairiel | i usually upload to WoWI and Curse .. i never bothered with worldofwar.net |
| 13:29.07 | krka | didn't find any new big sites, so i stopped making addons |
| 13:29.14 | ClemSnide | It's my favorite, curse has some datamining ads |
| 13:30.20 | Rihlsul | I have a line of inquiry relating to GetGuildInfo("PLAYER") and add-on initialization. To my surprise, even all the way up to PLAYER_ENTERED_WORLD, GetGuildInfo still returned nada. |
| 13:31.06 | ClemSnide | I think I read your posts. |
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| 13:31.14 | Rihlsul | So, with an addon that I need to do initialization work with (and require the player's guild name for), what event can I hook to? I'm down to trying GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 13:31.42 | Rihlsul | but that'll fire a lot, so... ew |
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| 13:32.26 | Rihlsul | tried: ADDON_LOADED, PLAYER_LOGIN, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD... even PLAYER_ALIVE and GUILD_MOTD |
| 13:32.42 | nevcairiel | the lib i use uses GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE and calls GuildRoster() after that |
| 13:32.47 | amro | guild info requires the guild roster to have been displayed |
| 13:33.44 | Rihlsul | interesting... even just to GetGuildInfo("PLAYER")? clunky. =\ |
| 13:34.06 | Kevorkian | yar |
| 13:34.15 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: hola |
| 13:34.19 | Kevorkian | heya josh |
| 13:34.24 | Rihlsul | heya Josh |
| 13:34.30 | Kevorkian | rihlsul is my partner in crime with my scheduler app |
| 13:34.38 | JoshBorke | ah, hola Rihlsul |
| 13:34.51 | Rihlsul | we've spoken once before, but only briefly |
| 13:35.23 | JoshBorke | alright, i have a faulty memory so i'm sure you're correct |
| 13:35.37 | ClemSnide | need more RAM |
| 13:35.43 | Kevorkian | my scheduler messaging system is beginning to take on alife of its own akin to frankenstein's monster |
| 13:35.43 | Beladona | morning |
| 13:36.19 | Rihlsul | hehe, np, I've a strong-un. You were in heavy discussion with Kaelten at the time, so not surprised it slipped. |
| 13:37.16 | Kevorkian | now the messaging system is gonna be a library like unto a city sitting at the nexus of all dimensions, managing the very forces of entropy itself |
| 13:37.31 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: lol, complex problem, no? |
| 13:37.32 | Rihlsul | lol, the messaging is still in the idea phase, so it's more an idea of a frankenstein city. |
| 13:37.56 | Kevorkian | well, yes, there's the fact that I haven't written it yet |
| 13:38.01 | JoshBorke | got a flow chart i can se? |
| 13:38.16 | Rihlsul | See, kev? told you I should have made up a flow chart. |
| 13:38.39 | Rihlsul | I could do one up today, I think |
| 13:38.42 | JoshBorke | i think you'll need it |
| 13:38.50 | Kevorkian | I'm flow chart impaired. besides, to do it properly I'd have to chart each type of message. I'm still working on the idea of managing multiple comm queues for different channels |
| 13:39.09 | Kevorkian | hmm |
| 13:39.20 | Kevorkian | I wonder if there's an open source flow charting program |
| 13:39.29 | JoshBorke | there is |
| 13:39.36 | JoshBorke | at least on linux |
| 13:40.02 | Kevorkian | can't help ya there. I support linux in theory but in reality have been too lazy to figure out the driver issues to get it working smoothly |
| 13:41.01 | ClemSnide | Linux... shudder |
| 13:41.35 | Kevorkian | Clem: it's a superior operating system hands down. more efficient and better coded, but it lacks in the user friendly and ease of use arena |
| 13:42.00 | ClemSnide | <-- is a Human Factors psychologist... 'nuff said |
| 13:42.08 | Kevorkian | that'd do it |
| 13:43.00 | ClemSnide | But, when I need to do a flow chart I just open a CAD or drawing program, of which there's lots. |
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| 13:46.52 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian/Rihlsul: have you guys thought about using the Combine interface? |
| 13:47.14 | Kevorkian | I just chases those bastards out of city 17 |
| 13:47.19 | Kevorkian | chased* |
| 13:47.28 | Rihlsul | I haven't, no. I'm still very green - what is Combine? |
| 13:47.43 | JoshBorke | Rihlsul: it's an Ace mod written by Kaelten, updated to 2.0 by me |
| 13:47.54 | Kevorkian | I thought you were lukewarm on Ace |
| 13:48.01 | JoshBorke | i am lukewarm on ace |
| 13:48.06 | JoshBorke | but i love the Combine interface :-D |
| 13:48.09 | Kevorkian | hah |
| 13:48.57 | Kevorkian | what's the main ace site again? |
| 13:48.58 | Rihlsul | oh, I draw my dates similarly in calendar view |
| 13:49.06 | Rihlsul | head to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Combine kev |
| 13:49.51 | Mikma | http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w97/Angelblaster24/Slap_for_Sparta.gif |
| 13:50.03 | Rihlsul | What's the current status of Combine, Josh? |
| 13:50.32 | JoshBorke | that's pretty much it |
| 13:50.33 | Kevorkian | Josh: rihl is the UI guy, he's got a decent system based off the auction house UI. |
| 13:51.08 | Rihlsul | Ah. Want some screen cap links, Josh? |
| 13:52.21 | JoshBorke | sure |
| 13:53.25 | Rihlsul | ok, showing the very barebones calendar layout as I had it a week or so ago: http://www.thedirtyhordes.com/forum/files/calendar_211.jpg |
| 13:53.39 | JoshBorke | i made some minor tweaks to the event frame, adding arrows at the bottom to cycle through events |
| 13:54.33 | Rihlsul | just showing the menu system alone: http://www.thedirtyhordes.com/images/saga/saga2.jpg |
| 13:54.33 | [dRaCo] | hey, combine looks great. |
| 13:54.34 | Rihlsul | Poached some concepts from CTA for group composition requirements: http://www.thedirtyhordes.com/images/saga/saga4.jpg |
| 13:54.44 | [dRaCo] | is it by any chance compatible with gem? :/ |
| 13:54.50 | JoshBorke | [dRaCo]: no |
| 13:55.21 | JoshBorke | Rihlsul: that looks pretty good |
| 13:55.51 | Rihlsul | Josh: It's definitely a work in progress, but I'm doing what I think are all the 'hard parts' for me first, rather than any polish yet |
| 13:56.19 | nevcairiel | I wish i could stick to that |
| 13:56.26 | nevcairiel | i always end up polishing some thing |
| 13:57.00 | [dRaCo] | guess I've gotta persuade my guild to switch, then... gem sucks |
| 13:57.04 | Rihlsul | I'm a self-employed freelance development shop for a proprietary software package... I've had to get *real* good at focused tasking |
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| 13:59.06 | JoshBorke | heh, just being a college kid i get to do whatever i want :-D |
| 13:59.43 | ClemSnide | same deal as an actor, though for gigs you have to be reliable |
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| 14:09.56 | Kevorkian | josh: you still taking a hiatus or is that pending/over? |
| 14:13.06 | JoshBorke | from my guild? still in progress |
| 14:13.26 | JoshBorke | i made some minor improvements to guildbook |
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| 14:13.34 | JoshBorke | you can now store item links :-D |
| 14:13.39 | Kevorkian | sorry to hear that. we're chugging along nicely now |
| 14:13.57 | Kevorkian | cool |
| 14:14.20 | JoshBorke | i'm glad to hear that kevorkian :-) |
| 14:15.31 | JoshBorke | i got a nice test setup going, but lost the motivation to continue when some basic logic broke down on me |
| 14:15.54 | JoshBorke | and i respec'd my priest shadow and took up tailoring |
| 14:15.56 | JoshBorke | :-D so that took time |
| 14:16.07 | Kevorkian | hah |
| 14:16.12 | Kevorkian | what profession did he have? |
| 14:16.27 | JoshBorke | skinning/herb |
| 14:16.39 | JoshBorke | now he's herb/tailor |
| 14:16.52 | Kevorkian | yeah, decent switch |
| 14:16.52 | JoshBorke | i power lvl'd his tailoring to 350 |
| 14:16.57 | Rihlsul | crazy |
| 14:17.03 | JoshBorke | start making shadowcloth |
| 14:17.14 | Rihlsul | the frozen shadoweave set is pretty rockin |
| 14:17.26 | JoshBorke | i spent about 300-400g on netherweave and runecloth |
| 14:17.41 | JoshBorke | but i made like 200g off of DE mats |
| 14:17.46 | Kevorkian | hah |
| 14:17.52 | Nom- | wow T5 is hell OP |
| 14:18.00 | Nom- | We were 3-manning the trash leading up to Attumen |
| 14:18.02 | Nom- | All of it |
| 14:18.26 | nevcairiel | My T5 without gems and enchants was inferior to my T4 and random items with gems and enchants |
| 14:18.44 | JoshBorke | wow, nice nom |
| 14:18.58 | Nom- | that was with the new nerfed flasks up |
| 14:18.59 | Rihlsul | takes about 2 months to make all the shadowcloth needed for the 3 pieces if you don't have help if I did my math right |
| 14:19.15 | Nom- | as a prot paladin, i was able to solo heal our MT |
| 14:19.16 | JoshBorke | Rihlsul: 52 days assuming you take shadowcloth specialization |
| 14:19.20 | Nom- | So that's how OP it is : |
| 14:19.21 | Nom- | :P |
| 14:19.30 | Rihlsul | Josh: Correct |
| 14:19.53 | JoshBorke | Rihlsul: friend is also shadowcloth and he's letting me use his cooldowns |
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| 14:19.58 | Rihlsul | nice |
| 14:20.06 | JoshBorke | i'll be making teh shoulders saturday |
| 14:20.10 | JoshBorke | when my cooldown is up |
| 14:20.20 | JoshBorke | using transmutes to lvl tailoring ftw |
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| 14:23.40 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 14:23.53 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 14:31.30 | ClemSnide | OK here goes nothing, I'm uploading my first mod! Huzzah! |
| 14:31.37 | Kevorkian | wewt, what does it do? |
| 14:33.14 | ClemSnide | It says a quote upon mounting or dismounting, subject to your settings. |
| 14:33.57 | Kevorkian | "Equine rage! Mount up and ride them down like the dirty dogs they are!" |
| 14:34.02 | ClemSnide | You can set different batches for different mounts and specify a cooldown so that you don't spam in places like Un'Goro. |
| 14:34.45 | Kevorkian | "Pardon my dust as I get on my mount and leave you behind without a passing thought." |
| 14:35.01 | ClemSnide | hah, I think I may have a customer... |
| 14:35.29 | Kevorkian | heh, actually I'm a minimal mod user. I think right now I've got GEM and KTM |
| 14:35.36 | Rihlsul | gratz Clem! Just posted my first release earlier this week, so I know where you're at. =) |
| 14:35.42 | JoshBorke | i use way too many mods |
| 14:35.45 | nevcairiel | minimal mod user and then KTM |
| 14:35.52 | nevcairiel | some people i dont understand |
| 14:36.01 | ClemSnide | Congratulations, Riglsul! Nice feeling, isn't it? |
| 14:36.14 | JoshBorke | minimal in quantity, is that better? |
| 14:36.24 | ClemSnide | <-- will type Rihlsul's name correctly someday |
| 14:36.34 | Kevorkian | just call him rihl |
| 14:36.59 | Rihlsul | Clem: lol, that's ok. common issue. there was a poll a while back in guild about how to *say* it and we stopped when we had 20 different variations |
| 14:37.24 | ClemSnide | it's just my fat finfers and weak eyes |
| 14:37.28 | Kevorkian | you should see our guild trying to pronounce it. We've got "reelsul" "reelzul" "rye-sul" etc |
| 14:38.00 | ClemSnide | in all the games I've been in, people used only the first three latters... even when I was Gomi, they called me Gom. |
| 14:38.02 | Rihlsul | I should just recommend 'Your Majesty'. I'm sure that'd go over swell. |
| 14:38.21 | Kevorkian | well you log into vent as "Fearless Leader" |
| 14:38.36 | Rihlsul | hah, no... "Your Great Leader" |
| 14:38.45 | ClemSnide | hm, not many will get that these days that didn't grow up on Rocky & Bullwinkle |
| 14:38.51 | Kevorkian | ah yes, you are correct |
| 14:38.57 | Kevorkian | although I prefer Norrls |
| 14:39.27 | ClemSnide | That's one mod I'll never use... |
| 14:39.30 | Kevorkian | something perpetually amusing about "Scary chick with knives has joined the server" |
| 14:39.39 | Rihlsul | heh, my recommendation. Vent can't do 'Norrl' as one syllable. always comes out norrel, no matter what. |
| 14:40.03 | ClemSnide | how about "gnarl?" |
| 14:40.17 | Rihlsul | 'g-nar-el' I'd wager |
| 14:40.31 | ClemSnide | blast your Vulcan logix |
| 14:43.07 | Rihlsul | btw, someone tell Kevorkian that an addon library should not be named "VIRAL", as it'll freak too many people out. |
| 14:43.20 | Rihlsul | despite the humor or appropriateness |
| 14:43.22 | wobin_ | gnarles |
| 14:43.25 | wobin_ | barkley! |
| 14:46.29 | Kevorkian | I did offer "ROTA" as an alternative |
| 14:47.30 | Kevorkian | as silly people who got upset about VIRUS would not likely be aware that rotavirus is one of the more common viral agents |
| 14:48.44 | Rihlsul | don't get me wrong, VIRAL made sense, that is the way of info transmission |
| 14:49.43 | Kevorkian | VIRAL appeals to me though, because not only is the acronym recursive "Viral Interclient Relay Asynchronous Library" but because this really is a system that spreads data in a viral manner |
| 14:50.27 | Rihlsul | I'll give you that it's less morbid than ROTA |
| 14:50.58 | Kevorkian | someday I'll make a lib/addon called PRION! it'll only work for taurens |
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| 14:53.35 | Shirik | o.o |
| 14:53.41 | ClemSnide | sheesh, every site has a different idea of what categories of AddOns to use... mine is "Communications" in one place, "GUI enhancement in another, now "Interface Enhancement" |
| 14:53.53 | Rihlsul | ha |
| 14:55.02 | Kevorkian | Male GUI enhancement? |
| 14:55.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 14:55.32 | Kevorkian | for improving your... interface? |
| 14:55.44 | Kevorkian | ok |
| 14:55.47 | Kevorkian | stopping there |
| 14:57.41 | ClemSnide | yeah, it makes everything swell :P |
| 14:58.19 | Shirik | So no offense but I haven't seen any of your names before. So welcome :) If you've been here a lot before, then sorry I'm blind >< |
| 14:58.41 | Rihlsul | I'm noobish. only been here maybe twice before |
| 14:58.50 | Kevorkian | I'm seasonal |
| 14:58.52 | Rihlsul | So, no offense taken |
| 14:59.18 | Kevorkian | meaning I show up for a week or two then go away for a few months |
| 15:00.17 | Shirik | hehe |
| 15:03.02 | ClemSnide | hey, I'm blind too, at least in one eye-- the other's on the way. |
| 15:04.09 | ClemSnide | OK, that's it, HiyoSilver has hit the streets. Now I just sit back and wait for the girls to find their way to me, right? |
| 15:06.44 | ClemSnide | ARFG! After all that Curse put it into UnitFrames! Oh well. |
| 15:08.13 | Shirik | curse ftl :P |
| 15:08.43 | Kevorkian | quick, formulate a 3 page diatribe abusing them inarticulately! |
| 15:09.02 | Rihlsul | I didn't put my addon up there b/c when I signed up, their verification emails never came. >.< |
| 15:09.09 | Shirik | heh |
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| 15:11.04 | Shirik | morning cide :) |
| 15:11.12 | Cide | morning |
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| 15:11.24 | JoshBorke | morning cide |
| 15:11.45 | pastamancer | >>> print("good morning") |
| 15:11.46 | Cide | pastamancer: "good morning" |
| 15:12.02 | pastamancer | I couldn't resist |
| 15:12.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:12.11 | Thunder_Child | you you coulf have |
| 15:12.19 | Thunder_Child | s/coulf/could/ |
| 15:12.27 | Thunder_Child | err....crap |
| 15:12.29 | pastamancer | theoretically, yes |
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| 15:12.58 | Shirik | so I just realized I did all this work yesterday |
| 15:13.06 | Shirik | and didn't save the file before I hit commit |
| 15:13.14 | Shirik | so I committed blank files to the server |
| 15:13.21 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 15:13.33 | Kevorkian | at least you won't have any errors |
| 15:16.00 | ClemSnide | lots of people I know would be better off with blank files than what they write. |
| 15:16.28 | Shirik | I'm just glad nobody else on my team saw it before I fixed it :P |
| 15:16.29 | JoshBorke | >>> return 'hi' |
| 15:16.30 | Cide | JoshBorke: "hi" |
| 15:16.47 | JoshBorke | >>> return unpack({3, 2, 1}) |
| 15:16.47 | Cide | JoshBorke: 3, 2, 1 |
| 15:18.12 | Thunder_Child | >>> return unpack(luggage) |
| 15:18.13 | Cide | Thunder_Child: [string "return unpack(luggage)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got nil) |
| 15:18.25 | Thunder_Child | cides just a lazy bastard |
| 15:18.29 | ClemSnide | <<< return to sender, address unknown |
| 15:18.43 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 15:18.50 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:18.58 | Shirik | nm -_- |
| 15:19.01 | Shirik | it's too early for jokes |
| 15:19.10 | Shirik | really shoulda done |
| 15:19.17 | Thunder_Child | it's never to early for jokes |
| 15:19.19 | ClemSnide | Too early? But it's nearly bedtime! |
| 15:19.22 | Shirik | >>> pcall(unpack(luggage)) or return "I dun wanna!"; |
| 15:19.22 | Cide | Shirik: [string "pcall(unpack(luggage)) or return "I dun wanna!";"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'or' |
| 15:19.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:19.41 | Shirik | ?? |
| 15:19.42 | Cide | fail |
| 15:19.46 | Shirik | why didn't that work? |
| 15:19.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:19.47 | Shirik | duh |
| 15:19.49 | Cide | >>> pcall(unpack(luggage)) or "I dun wanna!"; |
| 15:19.49 | Cide | Cide: [string "return pcall(unpack(luggage)) or "I dun wa..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got nil) |
| 15:20.00 | Shirik | >>> return pcall(unpack(luggage)) or "I dun wanna!"; |
| 15:20.00 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return pcall(unpack(luggage)) or "I dun wan..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got nil) |
| 15:20.04 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.05 | Shirik | I give up |
| 15:20.06 | Cide | >>> pcall(unpack,luggage) or return "I dun wanna!"; |
| 15:20.06 | Cide | Cide: [string "pcall(unpack,luggage) or return "I dun wanna!";"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'or' |
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| 15:20.09 | Cide | bah |
| 15:20.11 | Cide | we fail |
| 15:20.14 | Shirik | yes we do |
| 15:20.17 | Cide | >>> pcall(unpack,luggage) or "I dun wanna!"; |
| 15:20.17 | Cide | Cide: "I dun wanna!" |
| 15:20.26 | ClemSnide | Ikea: table expected, got chairs |
| 15:21.04 | Thunder_Child | cute |
| 15:21.11 | Kevorkian | if it was really ikea you could stack four chairs together and it would form a table |
| 15:21.40 | ClemSnide | and it'd be called "Lumenorgen" or something |
| 15:21.50 | Kevorkian | although one with sharp edges which could decapitate the unwary |
| 15:22.16 | Kevorkian | farfeignugen? |
| 15:22.27 | ClemSnide | geshuntheit |
| 15:22.45 | zenzelezz | a border image always shows over the background, right? (ie. the BackgroundInset is just in case your border isn't all the way to the edges of the image file) |
| 15:23.04 | Rihlsul | Kev: Ich verstehe nicht, merkwürdiger Mann. |
| 15:23.18 | Kevorkian | Rihlsul: Bork de bork bork bork! |
| 15:23.41 | Shirik | ?? |
| 15:24.45 | Rihlsul | I said that "I didn't understand, strange man" |
| 15:24.45 | ClemSnide | zenz, are you putting the border images in the ARTWORK layer? |
| 15:24.45 | zenzelezz | Rihlsul bist kein handschuh gewesen |
| 15:24.46 | Thunder_Child | indeed, merkwurdiger is strange |
| 15:24.47 | Shirik | wachet auf, ruft uns de stimme |
| 15:24.47 | zenzelezz | ClemSnide: nope, <Backdrop> |
| 15:24.47 | zenzelezz | using the edgefile part |
| 15:25.22 | Rihlsul | zenz: I have no glove? btw, only listened to the first couple of 'Intro to German' CD's, so, yeah.. not super hip to it |
| 15:25.38 | zenzelezz | oh, I thought you were German |
| 15:25.47 | zenzelezz | as far as I know it means you haven't turned into a glove |
| 15:26.05 | Rihlsul | ha |
| 15:26.24 | zenzelezz | hm, I didn't know you could set the backdrop offsets to negative values |
| 15:26.29 | ClemSnide | hm, my backdrop shows underneath the border art, but I placed it in the ARTOWRK layer. |
| 15:26.32 | zenzelezz | not offset, inset |
| 15:27.17 | zenzelezz | ClemSnide: so does mine, I was just asking if I had understood how they worked |
| 15:27.36 | ClemSnide | I think you're right-- shouldn't take long to test though. |
| 15:27.49 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 15:28.22 | ClemSnide | wait a minute, I can actually play the damn game now! I'm done coding for the moment! |
| 15:29.18 | Thunder_Child | pffft! your never done coding |
| 15:29.18 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:29.18 | Shirik | especially if you uploaded your project! |
| 15:29.22 | Shirik | Let the bug reports fly! |
| 15:29.57 | zenzelezz | yeah, got to hate those users |
| 15:30.07 | ClemSnide | well, mostly I don't know if it'll work with instance-only mounts like the Qiraji Battletank. Hey, anyone want to power level me so I can test it out? All in the interests of science, of course. |
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| 15:45.26 | dukeku | hi ladies |
| 15:45.59 | Shirik | hai |
| 15:47.48 | ClemSnide | (checks self) Who you calling a lady? |
| 15:49.42 | leethal | that lady over there => |
| 15:50.16 | ClemSnide | That was no lady, that was my wife. <rimshot> |
| 15:54.01 | ClemSnide | Aaand there's the first bug report. IsMounted() returns true when you're on a taxi, I hadn't realized that. |
| 15:54.30 | zenzelezz | UnitOnTaxi might help there |
| 15:57.10 | ClemSnide | yes, I can just add that into the update timer |
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| 16:01.02 | ClemSnide | That takes a single parameter for unitID, eight? WoWWiki doesn't say. |
| 16:01.35 | Cide | yes |
| 16:01.42 | Shirik | eight? |
| 16:01.58 | Cide | s/eight/right/ :P |
| 16:02.01 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:02.17 | ClemSnide | <-- fat fingers |
| 16:02.33 | Shirik | I got too caught up in "is that really how we spell 8?" |
| 16:02.41 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:02.51 | Shirik | I never noticed before but it looks so ugly >< |
| 16:03.47 | zenzelezz | it's not so bad until you need to write eighth |
| 16:04.08 | Seigi | hahah |
| 16:04.22 | zenzelezz | twelfth is also odd, but not as bad |
| 16:04.57 | leethal | I tend to loose either way =/ |
| 16:05.13 | Seigi | I think Shintensix would be weirder though.. |
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| 16:13.34 | xlvii | how long would it take a warrior to level to 70? is it slow compared to say, a mage? |
| 16:13.58 | Cide | that's like asking how long it would take for a priest |
| 16:14.36 | Seigi | Depands on the priest |
| 16:14.47 | Seigi | I took 10 days and 17 hours for level 60 |
| 16:14.48 | Cide | holy priest? 5 years. shadow priest? 1 week |
| 16:14.49 | Seigi | and about... |
| 16:14.50 | zenzelezz | is there no way to make a PlayerModel stop moving? |
| 16:15.03 | Seigi | 6 days more (I was trying to take it slow) for 60 - 70 |
| 16:23.26 | Seigi | and xlvii, it depands how u wanna level |
| 16:23.29 | Seigi | questing or grinding |
| 16:23.39 | Seigi | in grinding point of view, Mage's can get good talents for that... |
| 16:23.59 | Seigi | questin... if u go arms/fury it'll og pretty quick, and ur downtime isn't particularly long |
| 16:26.49 | zenzelezz | that's not a question |
| 16:27.17 | zenzelezz | oh, I misread o_O |
| 16:27.21 | zenzelezz | again |
| 16:27.22 | Industrial | :p |
| 16:27.37 | zenzelezz | assumed he meant question, not questing... not sure why |
| 16:27.37 | Industrial | anyone have experience with http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetQuestReward ? |
| 16:27.54 | zenzelezz | but for that matter, I did 60-70 as prot spec, and it didn't take too long |
| 16:28.02 | Seigi | solo? |
| 16:28.05 | Industrial | I want my addon to complete quests and it does it with GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice) on QUEST_COMPLETE atm |
| 16:28.06 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:28.17 | Seigi | sweet |
| 16:28.23 | Seigi | i always thought it'd taken long |
| 16:28.25 | Industrial | but when theres more the one reward it errors ofcourse |
| 16:29.22 | zenzelezz | longer than for arms/fury probably, but not too long |
| 16:29.45 | Seigi | zenze, whats ur opinion on spell reflect? |
| 16:31.39 | zenzelezz | I enjoy it |
| 16:31.40 | Industrial | QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice was both 0 with a money/xp collect quest and one with multiple rewards. |
| 16:31.40 | zenzelezz | can do a fair bit with it, even though some amount of raid mobs' spells go through |
| 16:31.40 | Seigi | yea, but isnt the 20 (or was it 25?) rage requirement, a bit high? |
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| 16:31.41 | leethal | it's an IWIN Button against mages |
| 16:31.44 | zenzelezz | sometimes it can be, but as long as you're getting hit rage doesn't tend to be a problem |
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| 16:32.36 | Seigi | :P |
| 16:32.43 | Seigi | not really leethal |
| 16:32.56 | Shadowed | Spell reflect for what, PVE or PVP |
| 16:32.59 | Seigi | the big flashy thing usually tells mages (who have an IQ above 3, anyways) that they should back of with their magics :P |
| 16:33.08 | Shadowed | Not really |
| 16:33.26 | leethal | Seigi: that's why you time it, looking on their cast bar |
| 16:33.28 | Shadowed | Maybe if you're doing 1vs1, but in 5vs5 it's fairly hard to see anything except name plates |
| 16:33.50 | Shadowed | Most Warriors don't use spell reflect either, so they don't look for it until after you've reflected something a couple of times |
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| 16:34.36 | Seigi | true :P |
| 16:34.50 | Seigi | and most addons go "WOOSH!" when tha bad stuf happens |
| 16:35.12 | zenzelezz | hrmf... from a very quick look at <PlayerModel>, it really wants to play an animation, and seems to clip the model in some parts of the animation... but the SetPortraitTexture() function I wanted to use before seems to insist on making a round texture, not a square... am I missing something? |
| 16:35.40 | Shadowed | Really in 5vs5 arena you can't wait the 5 seconds for spell reflect to fade before attacking, better off using Ice Lance or something...but really 99% of the time nobody is going to have a chance to see the graphic |
| 16:36.20 | Seigi | Well thats a good thing =) |
| 16:36.31 | Shadowed | unless you're a caster |
| 16:36.35 | Seigi | meh |
| 16:36.44 | Seigi | I'm a hybrid atm, a shaman |
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| 16:36.49 | Seigi | I'm so happy it's finally on alliance |
| 16:38.30 | Seigi | well, time to eat |
| 16:38.33 | Seigi | see ya'll later |
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| 18:07.20 | Tem | Anyone using ubuntu? |
| 18:07.49 | Tem | I'm curious if it's any easier to install compiz nowadays than the last time I tried |
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| 18:10.00 | Tem | also, how stable is fawn? |
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| 18:17.08 | Shirik | Tem: I do |
| 18:17.13 | Shirik | re: Ubuntu |
| 18:17.22 | Tem | which version? |
| 18:17.30 | Shirik | 6.10 |
| 18:17.40 | Tem | I don't remember numbers |
| 18:17.43 | Tem | is that edgy? |
| 18:17.43 | Shirik | edgy |
| 18:17.44 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:18.03 | Tem | have you tried compiz or beryl? |
| 18:18.10 | Shirik | I can't say I have :( |
| 18:18.43 | Tem | I'm also curious... do you play wow in ubuntu? |
| 18:18.43 | Shirik | it's the only one I've tried, after recommendation from a friend |
| 18:18.44 | Shirik | I like it |
| 18:18.47 | Shirik | I have, yes |
| 18:19.07 | Shirik | it's actually faster than when I use windows |
| 18:19.11 | Tem | hah |
| 18:19.21 | Tem | what do you use to get it running? |
| 18:19.24 | Shirik | wine |
| 18:19.42 | Tem | and how much trouble was that? |
| 18:19.42 | Shirik | Stupid Lua, you have brainwashed me! |
| 18:19.53 | Shirik | Not difficult at all, actually |
| 18:20.05 | Shirik | I didn't really have to change anything, other than executing WoW with -opengl |
| 18:20.19 | Tem | I'm ordering a new harddrive soonish |
| 18:20.33 | Tem | and when I get it, I'm gonna reinstall ubuntu |
| 18:20.38 | Shirik | nice |
| 18:20.52 | Tem | and see if I can get it working to my liking |
| 18:21.01 | Tem | if I can, I'll only keep vista around as a backup |
| 18:21.04 | Shirik | nice |
| 18:21.31 | Tem | when I first got this machine, I played musical operating systems for about a week |
| 18:21.36 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:22.02 | Tem | Vista > Ubuntu > Suse > XP > Ubuntu > Mandriva > XP > Vista |
| 18:22.26 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:22.30 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:22.32 | nevcairiel | vista twice, thats amazing |
| 18:22.41 | Tem | I'm still on vista |
| 18:22.46 | Tem | and I quite like it |
| 18:22.51 | nevcairiel | i didnt like it, somehow |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | I did use SuSE before Ubuntu |
| 18:22.58 | Shirik | I liked it |
| 18:23.03 | Tem | I spent about 10 minutes in Suse |
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| 18:23.28 | Shirik | you didn't like it? |
| 18:23.32 | Tem | maybe it's that I dislike KDE, but I really didn't like any of the interface |
| 18:23.50 | Shirik | yeah I used KDE before Gnome so I guess that didn't have an impact on me |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | though IIRC you can choose to use Gnome instead of KDE, but maybe that was only in 8.4 |
| 18:24.39 | Tem | I think I did |
| 18:25.01 | Tem | but their config panels reaked of KDE with a gnome mask |
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| 18:25.25 | Tem | you know, that one that you have config everything important from |
| 18:25.38 | Tem | something with a p |
| 18:25.42 | wereHamster | Tem, recent versions of wine can run WoW withnout problems, the sound buffer underruns were fixed AFAICT |
| 18:26.07 | Tem | how about patching? |
| 18:26.33 | wereHamster | you mean WoW patches? |
| 18:26.37 | Tem | yes |
| 18:26.48 | wereHamster | no problem here |
| 18:27.17 | Tem | maybe I'll have better luck than I'm expecting :) |
| 18:27.37 | Tem|AFK | thanks for the info, Shirik, wereHamster |
| 18:27.43 | Shirik | np |
| 18:27.51 | raevanmorlock | happy to help! |
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| 18:31.01 | Tem|AFK | oh, Shirik in my game of musical OSs I think I managed to break ubuntu upwards of 10 times |
| 18:31.33 | Tem|AFK | once I inadvertantly installed a bunch of fiesty packages |
| 18:31.42 | Tem|AFK | but most of the other times I just broke X |
| 18:31.46 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:31.48 | Shirik | fun |
| 18:31.58 | Shirik | how can you break it, I mean it's incredibly simple |
| 18:32.01 | Shirik | apt-get install <whatever> |
| 18:32.06 | Shirik | sorry |
| 18:32.08 | Shirik | sudo apt-get install |
| 18:32.10 | TC_Working | yes, i broke x-windows 6 times in 2 weeks in class |
| 18:32.26 | Tem|AFK | Shirik, I was installing "experimenta" packages |
| 18:32.33 | Shirik | mm |
| 18:32.35 | Tem|AFK | s/nta/ntal/ |
| 18:32.36 | Shirik | ok whose fault is that one? |
| 18:32.46 | Tem|AFK | totally the guy that wrote it |
| 18:32.51 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:32.52 | Tem|AFK | I blame him for bad code |
| 18:33.16 | Tem|AFK | (well, actualy, it was 100% my fault.) |
| 18:33.25 | Tem|AFK | (I did get real good at installing ubuntu though) |
| 18:33.49 | Tem|AFK | I even wrote a short script to do my initial installs |
| 18:34.14 | Tem|AFK | things like firefox updates and extentions, xchat and setup, ect |
| 18:34.23 | Shirik | nice |
| 18:34.25 | Tem|AFK | I hope I still have that around here... |
| 18:34.42 | Tem|AFK | anyway... |
| 18:34.48 | Shirik | take care |
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| 19:00.50 | Kevorkian | how does the wow interface handle messages when another message occurs in mid processing. IE, I'm processing a message for SOME_APP_DO_SOMETHING and I get another message for SOME_APP_DO_SOMETHING_ELSE. does it finish the first message processing first? |
| 19:02.39 | pastamancer | the interface isn't multi-threaded |
| 19:03.01 | pastamancer | so yes, events are processed sequentially |
| 19:03.05 | Kevorkian | wewt |
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| 19:03.53 | Kevorkian | this pleases me |
| 19:04.25 | Shirik | a message can't occur while processing another message :P |
| 19:04.25 | Shirik | Essentially the game is locked up while running lua code |
| 19:04.25 | Kevorkian | now if I could just get the damn server date/time I'd be a happy camper |
| 19:04.39 | Kevorkian | it queues them though doesn't it? |
| 19:05.01 | Shirik | All of the events will occur, yes |
| 19:06.56 | Kevorkian | next question, is there a fast way to serialize a table? Like if I have a table with 20 elements in it, to get something that is a glom of all 20 elements or do I just have to iterate through the table and build a long string? |
| 19:07.32 | Kevorkian | I'm assuming toString doesn't work on tables |
| 19:08.04 | Shirik | correct |
| 19:08.08 | Shirik | you'd iterate through it |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | Are you just serializing it for your own purposes, or is this required for the addon? |
| 19:08.36 | Kevorkian | fair 'nuff, I do it with every other language, just hoping for a shortcut |
| 19:08.56 | Shirik | if you just want to see it, see devtools's /dump command |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | but if the addon actually needs it for processing, then yes, just iterate through the table with pairs() |
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| 19:10.20 | Kevorkian | I do sorta. I'm doing a CRC on contents of data |
| 19:11.11 | Shirik | hrm, is that really necessary? |
| 19:11.14 | Kevorkian | yes |
| 19:11.34 | Kevorkian | unless we can miraculously get blizzard to give us a data store |
| 19:12.04 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 19:12.06 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 19:12.12 | JoshBorke | not happening Kevorkian :-P |
| 19:12.18 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 19:12.21 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs JoshBorke |
| 19:12.30 | Kevorkian | yar, I know, thus the CRC |
| 19:12.31 | JoshBorke | i saw that coming purl! |
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| 19:12.57 | Shirik | I still fail to see the need for it, but do as you wish. That would be the correct method, to iterate through the table with pairs() and form the string as you wish |
| 19:13.07 | JoshBorke | ew, strings |
| 19:13.47 | Kevorkian | shirik, say you have two people with data. it may be the same data, or it might be slightly different. how do you tell if the data is the same or different? |
| 19:14.07 | Kevorkian | say it's a rather large chunk of data too |
| 19:14.16 | Kevorkian | possibly a freaking huge chunk of data |
| 19:15.04 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: kaelten's idea for Combine was to create a revision log for each event |
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| 19:15.26 | Kevorkian | please elucidate |
| 19:16.16 | JoshBorke | each event would have a top level view that is always updated and a revision log that held all the past revisions |
| 19:16.58 | Shirik | Kevorkian: I would /probably/ use a metatable to make it simpler |
| 19:17.17 | Shirik | but that would be heavily dependent upon what you're using the table for |
| 19:17.20 | Kevorkian | so like send out event data with a revision number on it? if you have a lesser revision number then I need the updates? |
| 19:17.41 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: we didn't talk much about synchronization |
| 19:17.55 | JoshBorke | but i believe it would have still been based on a timestamp |
| 19:18.05 | Kevorkian | shirik: validation only. I don't care about the nature of the data I just need to compare client A's data to client B's data without actually sending all the goddamn data |
| 19:18.22 | Kevorkian | CRC is a fast easy way to do that |
| 19:18.35 | Kevorkian | if CRC matches, you've got the same data. if it doesn't, you don't |
| 19:18.55 | Shirik | Kevorkian: You can do that with a metatable, and it would be much faster |
| 19:19.00 | Shirik | I'm not saying abandon the idea of a CRC |
| 19:19.10 | Shirik | I'm saying adjust the way you build it |
| 19:19.18 | Kevorkian | what is this metatable of which you speak? |
| 19:19.58 | Shirik | Simply put, it's a table that tells another table how to operate under certain circumstances |
| 19:20.06 | Kevorkian | across clients? |
| 19:20.11 | Shirik | for example, it can tell the table what a + b is, where a and b are tables |
| 19:20.27 | Shirik | so your current problem is |
| 19:20.39 | Shirik | To test the two tables against each other, you have to build the hash, then test the hashes every time |
| 19:20.49 | Shirik | this can get extremely expensive if you're doing a lot of compares without changing the tables at all |
| 19:21.29 | Shirik | instead, you use a metatable to rebuild the hash whenever the table is changed, and set the == operator to compare the hashes if they exist (or build the hash if it doesn't exist) |
| 19:21.52 | Shirik | An extremely simplified example would be |
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| 19:24.02 | JoshBorke | metatables are nifty things :-D |
| 19:25.40 | Shirik | buildhash = function(tbl) --[[ sets tbl.hash to some value ]] end; mtbl = {__index = function(tbl, key) if (key == "hash" and rawget(tbl, "hash")==nil) then buildhash(tbl); return rawget(tbl, "hash"); end return rawget(tbl, key);__newindex = function(tbl, key, val) rawset(tbl, key, val); buildhash(tbl); end; __eq = function(op1, op2) return (op1.hash == op2.hash); end }; --[[ Make some tables ]] foo = {a = 1}; bar = {a = 1}; setmetata |
| 19:25.42 | Shirik | (untested) |
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| 19:25.47 | Shirik | wow that was lot longer than I thought it would be |
| 19:26.14 | Shirik | I'll pastey it it'll make more sense |
| 19:26.40 | Kevorkian | this "rawget", what does that do? |
| 19:26.56 | JoshBorke | it bypasses any metatables set |
| 19:27.52 | Kevorkian | shrug, I also have the restriction that this has to interface with roster through PHP. I don't know if PHP has the ability to get the same hash |
| 19:28.04 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/14634 |
| 19:28.53 | Shirik | that's entirely up to you |
| 19:28.59 | Shirik | use buildhash() to make the hash however you want |
| 19:29.11 | Shirik | the purpose of the metatable is to minimize the number of times you need to call buildhash() |
| 19:29.16 | Shirik | and to do it automatically, instead of manually |
| 19:29.28 | Kevorkian | sounds spiffy |
| 19:29.55 | Shirik | oi |
| 19:30.02 | Shirik | that would cause a stack overflow |
| 19:30.04 | JoshBorke | metatables always are |
| 19:30.10 | Shirik | um, note that in buildhash() |
| 19:30.14 | Shirik | you can't do tbl.hash = 4; |
| 19:30.16 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 19:30.20 | Shirik | you have to do rawset(tbl, hash, 4); |
| 19:31.13 | Kevorkian | I'm feeling slow (today the excuse I'll use is... um... big lunch). Wath is the general idea behind what a metatable is. this is a new concept for moi |
| 19:31.27 | Kevorkian | wath = what |
| 19:31.52 | Shirik | a metatable tells the table what to do under a special circumstance. For example |
| 19:32.01 | Shirik | the metatable has a __eq metamethod |
| 19:32.05 | JoshBorke | http://www.lua.org/pil/13.html |
| 19:32.11 | Shirik | this tells the table what to do when you do a == b, where a and b are tables |
| 19:32.55 | Shirik | So what we did here, we made one __eq, which tells the tables how to compare each other (by comparing the hashes) |
| 19:33.09 | Shirik | We made an __index so that if tbl.hash doesn't exist, it will create it |
| 19:33.22 | Shirik | and we made __newindex so that whenever a value changes, we rebuild the hash |
| 19:33.32 | Kevorkian | well... here's where I'm having trouble. Let's say the client run by Leroy has a table. And the client run by Jenkins has a table. How do I build a metatable such that I can compare Leroy's table to Jenkin's table without actually sending the entire table? |
| 19:33.44 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: you can't |
| 19:33.48 | JoshBorke | just send the hash then send the table |
| 19:33.52 | pastamancer | that's what the hash is for |
| 19:34.06 | Kevorkian | ah, so we're building a hash as a replacement for the CRC |
| 19:34.08 | kergoth | newindex is only called for new values. once a given key is in the table, it wont catch modifications of its value, and the hash wont be updated. |
| 19:34.11 | Kevorkian | and sending that |
| 19:34.23 | Shirik | kergoth: :( then I read the manual wrong |
| 19:34.29 | kergoth | you'd have to wrap the table in a proxy or something |
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| 19:36.02 | Shirik | well then I guess we'd have to rebuild it in __eq :( |
| 19:36.33 | JoshBorke | it's not hard to proxy it |
| 19:36.40 | JoshBorke | you can even proxy with a single metatable |
| 19:37.41 | Kevorkian | I'm supremely impressed yet somehow unsurprisingly confused by this turn of conversation. |
| 19:38.00 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: lol |
| 19:38.05 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: i got in late, what's going on? |
| 19:38.09 | Shirik | Kevorkian: Metatables are usually confusing, don't worry :P |
| 19:38.17 | Shirik | But they're fun |
| 19:39.00 | Kevorkian | lets say I have a table called abba full of keys with numbers and I want to be able to always get the sum of those numbers. how would I do that? |
| 19:39.20 | TC-Working | pay someone to do it for you |
| 19:39.34 | Kevorkian | josh: shirik is trying to wean me off of CRCs |
| 19:39.49 | Shirik | Not necessarily CRCs, just trying to automate the process for you |
| 19:39.58 | Shirik | for all I care you can build a CRC in buildhash() |
| 19:40.04 | Kevorkian | understood |
| 19:40.13 | Kevorkian | you just don't want me to waste time serializing my data |
| 19:40.39 | Kevorkian | TC: won't work unless they work for dust bunnies |
| 19:40.56 | Kevorkian | that is the only currency I have in surfeit |
| 19:41.43 | Shirik | perhaps this: http://wowi.pastey.net/14638 |
| 19:42.05 | TC-Working | mmmm....dust bunnies |
| 19:42.17 | JoshBorke | Shirik: still doesn't solve the problem of changing an existing index |
| 19:42.27 | Shirik | it never creates the index |
| 19:42.35 | Shirik | foo.a gets placed in foo.data.a |
| 19:42.43 | pastamancer | hmm, how is it that I haven't heard about 'Max Raabe und das Palast Orche' until today |
| 19:42.46 | JoshBorke | oh i see what you did ther |
| 19:43.05 | Shirik | but I'm testing it and it's mad :)( |
| 19:43.06 | Kevorkian | pastamancer: I'm still not sure I've heard of it |
| 19:43.07 | Shirik | :( * |
| 19:43.37 | Shirik | > foo.b = 2; |
| 19:43.37 | Shirik | stdin:19: bad argument #1 to 'rawset' (table expected, got nil) |
| 19:43.56 | JoshBorke | that's cause you didn't define the data subtable |
| 19:43.59 | Kevorkian | are these like operator overrides you're doing? |
| 19:44.00 | Shirik | ah yeah |
| 19:44.20 | Kevorkian | <-- is a lua n00b |
| 19:44.26 | pastamancer | kergoth: german swing covers of pop songs, plus 1920s movie music and some original stuff |
| 19:44.39 | pastamancer | err, Kevorkian not kergoth |
| 19:44.41 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: not over-rides since tables don't have == defined for them |
| 19:44.58 | Kevorkian | just rides then? |
| 19:45.00 | TC-Working | heh L2Tab |
| 19:45.16 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: all night long |
| 19:45.46 | Shirik | JoshBorke: http://wowi.pastey.net/14639 |
| 19:45.47 | Shirik | but.. |
| 19:45.54 | Shirik | > assert(foo ~= bar); |
| 19:45.55 | Shirik | stdin:1: assertion failed! |
| 19:45.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:46.10 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:46.17 | Shirik | because I never defined buildhash() |
| 19:46.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:46.36 | Shirik | but I think that /should/ work |
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| 19:48.02 | Shirik | Yup: http://wowi.pastey.net/14641 (see output at bottom) |
| 19:49.03 | Kevorkian | moving out of the abstract into the slightly tangible, could you adapt that to the example I mentioned where I know that all my values are numeric and I want the metatable to dynamically sum all the values akin to the "hash" value |
| 19:49.20 | JoshBorke | replace hash with the word sum |
| 19:49.26 | Shirik | Right, so let's assuming you're using this metatable |
| 19:49.40 | Shirik | And you want to transmit this over comms to assert that someone else's table is the same as yours |
| 19:49.51 | Shirik | all you have to do now is transmit table.hash |
| 19:49.59 | Shirik | the hash has already been built for you, everything |
| 19:50.02 | JoshBorke | at first |
| 19:50.08 | Kevorkian | josh: where would it actually add the numbers together? |
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| 19:50.42 | JoshBorke | in the buildhash functoin |
| 19:50.44 | Kevorkian | shirik: I'm there in spirit but the neurons are weak |
| 19:50.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:51.02 | Shirik | simply put, let's say you're using the metatable in that pastey |
| 19:51.12 | Shirik | as soon as you do setmetatable(yourtable, mtbl); |
| 19:51.23 | Shirik | yourtable.hash exists and is automatically updated for you as you need it |
| 19:51.33 | Shirik | yourtable.hash can be a CRC, or whatever you want it to be |
| 19:51.47 | Shirik | it's some identifier that is guaranteed to be equal if the data in the tables are equal |
| 19:52.01 | Shirik | and is calculated in the function buildhash() |
| 19:52.09 | Shirik | how you go about doing that is all up to you |
| 19:52.32 | Shirik | but, as values change in the table, buildhash() is called automatically to update the hash for you |
| 19:52.59 | JoshBorke | i'd only build the hash when it was referenced personally |
| 19:53.45 | Shirik | when the hash is referenced? |
| 19:53.47 | Kevorkian | yar, I'm just having trouble envisioning buildhash. let's say I would like to sum the values, presumably if hash == nil then hash = 0, but what then. when do we ever add the value associated with key "foo" to the value of key "bar"? |
| 19:54.23 | Shirik | Kevorkian: In the example given, never. But you can do whatever you want in buildhash() -- that's the missing element. For example |
| 19:54.42 | JoshBorke | Shirik: when __eq is invoked or when table['hash'] |
| 19:54.57 | Shirik | function buildhash(tbl) local hash = ""; for k, v in pairs(tbl) do hash = hash .. key .. value; end end |
| 19:55.07 | Shirik | that is an extremely simplistic example, but it's a possibility nonethelesss |
| 19:55.13 | Shirik | JoshBorke: That's probably a good idea |
| 19:55.18 | Shirik | It's not needed in __newindex |
| 19:56.00 | Shirik | but, the other thought is, do we really want to rebuild the hash every time __eq is invoked, even if the table hasn't changed? |
| 19:56.24 | JoshBorke | Shirik: then tag it |
| 19:56.54 | JoshBorke | mark teh hash dirty when newindex is called and only call buildHash when hash is referenced |
| 19:59.48 | Kevorkian | just to catch up, __eq is called for? Assignment only? for any key/value? __newindex is for when an element is added to the table? |
| 20:00.00 | JoshBorke | __eq is called for == tests |
| 20:00.10 | JoshBorke | __newindex is called whenever you put something into teh table FOR THE FIRST TIME |
| 20:00.24 | Kevorkian | what about assignments? |
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| 20:00.27 | JoshBorke | __index is called whenever you access an element ala: local var = tbl['key'] |
| 20:00.37 | JoshBorke | nothing is called for assignments that are already there |
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| 20:02.18 | Kevorkian | what about when somebody changes the value of a key? how do you flag that? |
| 20:02.37 | JoshBorke | you have to proxy the data in order to do that |
| 20:03.27 | zenzelezz | argh, I hate the WoW UI scaling... give me 1 pixel >:-| |
| 20:04.14 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: once key/value pairs are in a table there is no way to know when they are accessed |
| 20:04.28 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: so to do that, you have to do magic |
| 20:04.39 | JoshBorke | and never actually put the data in to the table |
| 20:04.58 | JoshBorke | as descripbed here: http://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.4.html |
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| 20:06.34 | Kevorkian | err indecency even |
| 20:06.34 | Kevorkian | what then, is this proxy? |
| 20:06.34 | Kevorkian | or is this a tangent |
| 20:07.02 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: just another table to put the key/value pairs in |
| 20:07.12 | JoshBorke | which does not have a metatable set |
| 20:07.33 | JoshBorke | so in Shirik's example it's a subtable of the original |
| 20:07.38 | JoshBorke | called "data" |
| 20:07.38 | Shirik | I finally finished it :D |
| 20:07.45 | Shirik | it works perfectly |
| 20:08.00 | Shirik | and only builds the hash when it needs to (it has changed and it is being referenced) |
| 20:08.13 | JoshBorke | using my recommendation? |
| 20:08.30 | JoshBorke | or a different method? |
| 20:09.05 | Shirik | your recommendation |
| 20:09.09 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/14643 |
| 20:10.35 | Shirik | Well, that was a bit more difficult than I thought it was going to be |
| 20:10.37 | Shirik | but it was fun :D |
| 20:10.55 | Kevorkian | aren't you still traversing the pairs of the table like I was originally thinking of doing? |
| 20:11.06 | Shirik | yes, but... |
| 20:11.21 | Shirik | (1) We only do it when we absolutely need to, and (2) it's done automatically for you |
| 20:14.02 | Kevorkian | well, 1 I think I had covered. My data can only be changed by UI interference (the user selects to change something, which is easy enough to trigger an update) or when another client says "hey I'm not in sync with you, here's my data, figure it out" which I already know is different because of the checksum difference |
| 20:14.33 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: but now you can take a little bit of code out of your UI interference |
| 20:15.00 | JoshBorke | metatables are just a way to automate some things |
| 20:15.05 | Shirik | There is always more than one way to do something. If you think that your method is better, by all means use it (especially if you understand it better). |
| 20:15.11 | JoshBorke | they are far more important (imo) when it comes to OOP |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | What I did was originally targetted at you just because I saw it was possible, but then became a more general solution which may not be best for your purposes |
| 20:15.41 | JoshBorke | ie you have no use for __eq really since metatables won't survive across comms |
| 20:15.52 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:15.54 | Kevorkian | well, I'm intruiged by this metatable concept. I seek enlightenment, but right now I'm just making more progress looking like bhudda than thinking like him |
| 20:16.18 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: perhaps you're making it too difficult. did you read the sites i pasted? |
| 20:16.19 | Shirik | And yes, they are much more useful for OOP than a purpose like this |
| 20:16.41 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/wiki/Lua_Classes is something else I wrote which points out how to use metatables |
| 20:17.20 | Shirik | except wowwiki is currently giving me a blank page, and I wrote slightly more than nothing :P |
| 20:17.28 | Kevorkian | does this OOP mean Object Oriented Programming? |
| 20:17.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:17.36 | JoshBorke | sure does |
| 20:17.50 | Kevorkian | well, that's my background, but I did all min in C++, which is a little more formal about some of this stuff |
| 20:18.01 | Shirik | there we go: http://www.wowwiki.com/Object_Oriented_Programming |
| 20:18.02 | Kevorkian | making the switch to lua is.... odd |
| 20:18.10 | Shirik | I have C++ code in that article too ;) |
| 20:18.39 | Shirik | Yes, metatables are somewhat of a "workaround" for lua classes, but that doesn't make it any less useful |
| 20:19.43 | zenzelezz | I'm sure I should dig this up on some forum sticky, but "event" is still a valid variable, it's only the arg1-9 that should be changed? |
| 20:19.58 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I thought they were all supposed to be changed :/ |
| 20:20.00 | Kevorkian | well, this is good stuff, the lack of implicit OO has been forcing me to revert to my primordial procedural methods which kinda suck |
| 20:20.26 | zenzelezz | Shirik: this is why I ask, I want to make sure. When was the change, 2.0? |
| 20:20.34 | Shirik | well |
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| 20:20.55 | Shirik | Yes, 2.0 I believe, but currently event/arg1-9 still exist, just are deprecated |
| 20:21.00 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 20:21.02 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: same as this |
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| 20:21.10 | Shirik | yeah this too |
| 20:21.21 | zenzelezz | I extracted the UI data with the official tool some time ago, the tutorial there passes "self, event, ..." |
| 20:22.26 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: self is the frame |
| 20:23.03 | zenzelezz | the self is of no importance to me; it's the "event" I'm curious about =) Trying to use the proper ones now rather than going back to fix it later |
| 20:23.20 | JoshBorke | the event is passed as the second argument to teh event handler |
| 20:23.33 | JoshBorke | first argument is always the frame, second is always the event, subsequent are arg1-9 |
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| 20:24.15 | AnduinLothar | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", fucntion(self,event,...) do stuff end) |
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| 20:26.10 | Kevorkian | shirik: I like the article but I see no reference to inheritance. does lua handle that easily or is that something we do without? |
| 20:26.30 | AnduinLothar | you can inherit from frames using templates |
| 20:26.45 | AnduinLothar | but lua tables do not explicitly inherit |
| 20:26.45 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: talking about generically, not frames |
| 20:26.47 | Kevorkian | is that like a java interface? |
| 20:27.12 | Shirik | Kevorkian: If you have a class foo, you could try making bar which inhereits foo by doing |
| 20:27.15 | AnduinLothar | you would jsut have to write your own inherti function |
| 20:27.33 | Shirik | function bar:new() local self = foo:new(); --[[ imbue bar here ]] return self; end |
| 20:28.02 | AnduinLothar | or do it that way |
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| 20:28.31 | Shirik | or better yet |
| 20:28.38 | Shirik | instead of setmetatable(self, bar) |
| 20:29.48 | Shirik | well, yes, do that, but bar.__index = function(tbl, key) return rawget(bar, key) or rawget(foo, key); end |
| 20:29.50 | Shirik | that would be the difference |
| 20:29.53 | AnduinLothar | since a table is not labled by any specific 'class' type and table can technicly inherit any other table simply by copying the contents of the table, which is essentially what foo:new() does by creating the elements |
| 20:29.55 | Shirik | earlier we had bar.__index = bar |
| 20:30.08 | Shirik | now we're doing bar.__index = that function |
| 20:33.03 | JoshBorke | http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 20:33.03 | Shirik | and JoshBorke ftw with pil |
| 20:33.03 | AnduinLothar | ** Since a table is not labled by any specific 'class' type, a table can technically inherit any other table simply by copying the contents of the table, which is essentially what foo:new() does by creating the elements. |
| 20:33.03 | AnduinLothar | grammar issues |
| 20:33.03 | Shirik | hehe |
| 20:33.04 | sysrage | http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l272/Vassiliy/image001.jpg |
| 20:33.05 | AnduinLothar | heh |
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| 20:33.06 | AnduinLothar | i think my gf would be insulted byt hat |
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| 20:33.08 | AnduinLothar | she works in consmetics |
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| 20:34.09 | sysrage | heh |
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| 20:50.48 | Industrial | http://industrial-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/zQuestAutomation/ |
| 20:51.16 | Industrial | Accepts quests when you select them from a gossip window. Completes quests when possible and nt given reward options. |
| 20:51.43 | Hallu | interesting |
| 20:52.12 | Hallu | I don't think I complete enough quests for that to be useful for me, but I could definitely see a hunter using that mod (afk nature of class) |
| 20:52.17 | Industrial | This makes it so you cant read quest text before you accept them, butI dont mind that. |
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| 20:57.23 | Shirik | hrm |
| 20:57.32 | Shirik | is it wrong for me to take this class "C and Unix" just to boost my GPA over the summer? |
| 20:57.38 | Shirik | I don't think I'd learn much from it >< |
| 20:57.48 | Kevorkian | heck no, I used to do that |
| 20:57.59 | TC-Working | m.... |
| 20:58.05 | Kevorkian | although to my delight the one "logic" class I took was fascinatingly difficult |
| 20:58.08 | TC-Working | s/m..../...../ |
| 20:58.41 | TC-Working | take classes that make you learn |
| 20:58.47 | TC-Working | otherwise it's a waste of time |
| 20:58.55 | TC-Working | even if it bumps your GPA |
| 20:58.58 | Shirik | Well, I /am/ taking physics over the summer, which I have to do |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | I just got an email about the class and was like "oh I didn't know they have that over the summer" |
| 20:59.33 | Shirik | so the point is, either I do nothing or I take that class, basically |
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| 21:12.18 | Tem|Work | the sad thing is when your GPA goes down because of your easiest classes and your hard classes bring it up |
| 21:12.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | hello again wowi peoples |
| 21:14.57 | Shirik | Tem|Work: unfortunately |
| 21:15.01 | Shirik | that's somewhat my situation |
| 21:15.26 | Tem|Work | I get terrible grades in my gen ed courses |
| 21:15.33 | Tem|Work | but I've got a 4.0 in my csc classes |
| 21:16.21 | TC-Working | 3759 |
| 21:16.26 | TC-Working | ehh....oops |
| 21:17.08 | Shirik | ooh is that a phone number? |
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| 21:17.22 | TC-Working | no, pw for my windows mobile device |
| 21:17.23 | Tem|Work | looks like a course number to me |
| 21:17.27 | Tem|Work | oh lol |
| 21:17.31 | TC-Working | it's the lazy mans pw |
| 21:18.43 | Shirik | Cairenn, I got the perfect idea for the premium membership |
| 21:18.52 | Shirik | A special skin for the forums with your picture in the top right courner |
| 21:18.54 | Shirik | corner* |
| 21:19.24 | Shirik | or maybe just replace the ads with pictures of you, that would work too |
| 21:20.57 | Tem|Work | hmm |
| 21:21.02 | Tem|Work | that might work |
| 21:22.03 | TC-Working | and be very disturbing |
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| 21:22.18 | TC-Working | oh... Cairenn's picture..nvm then |
| 21:22.38 | TC-Working | i thought you meant the users own picture |
| 21:22.52 | Zicon | Boobies? |
| 21:23.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Shirik> or maybe just replace the ads with pictures of red pandas |
| 21:24.49 | TC-Working | if you really want people to pay for it, make it so only people that are invited to become premium memebers can pay |
| 21:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't want to sound like a furry but red pandas are awesome |
| 21:25.07 | TC-Working | nothin syays "i want it" like not being able to have it |
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| 21:26.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfg1rlWcLH0 |
| 21:27.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | also known as a firefox |
| 21:27.16 | Shirik | TC-Working: Thatt's so true >< |
| 21:27.37 | TC-Working | i know...sad but true |
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| 21:34.04 | Shirik | woah |
| 21:34.05 | Shirik | this is legal? |
| 21:34.11 | Shirik | a = Account:new{balance = 0} |
| 21:34.19 | Shirik | for a function defined as function Account:new (o) |
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| 21:35.02 | ckknight | yes, Shirik |
| 21:35.17 | Shirik | it's the same as a = Account:new({balance = 0}) ? |
| 21:35.21 | ckknight | sure is |
| 21:35.28 | ckknight | but due to the table creation I like to avoid doing stuff like that |
| 21:35.28 | Shirik | interesting |
| 21:35.37 | ckknight | afaik, strings and tables do that |
| 21:35.39 | Shirik | yeah, I was just browsing pil and I found it |
| 21:35.41 | ckknight | func "blah" |
| 21:35.45 | ckknight | func { blah } |
| 21:35.50 | Shirik | nice |
| 21:36.08 | Tem|Work | about the only time I use it in wow is frame:SetBackdrop{ ... } |
| 21:36.34 | Tem|Work | and I played around with it for a syntactically clever OO implementation |
| 21:37.15 | Tem|Work | so, Shirik, I gather by your example that you're reading the PiL? |
| 21:37.52 | Shirik | Yup. I just happened to have it open from a discussion a few hours ago. I was closing all my firefox windows before heading off to dinner and that caught my eye. |
| 21:38.22 | ckknight | the PiL is good. |
| 21:38.23 | ckknight | Imagine a ball of steel the size of the sun. Imagine that every trillion years, a fly lands on it. When the ball of steel has eroded away from the friction of all the flies landing, infinity will not even have begun. |
| 21:38.54 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:38.55 | Aaron | ......A demolition crew would love to get their hands on one of those. |
| 21:39.33 | Shirik | anyway, dinner time |
| 21:39.34 | Shirik | take care |
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| 22:00.47 | zenzelezz | it's amazing how futile setting texture coordinates is if you forget to set the texture |
| 22:02.30 | Industrial | lol |
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| 22:07.19 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm print( "gold" ) ? :) |
| 22:07.33 | Shirik|Ecole | hm? |
| 22:07.38 | YammYgirlcoding | ops hehe |
| 22:07.56 | YammYgirlcoding | nvm :) |
| 22:08.58 | Shirik|Ecole | it's like 2kb to transfer and it's taken 2 minutes so far :( |
| 22:09.19 | zenzelezz | time to upgrade that old 1200 baud |
| 22:09.37 | Shirik|Ecole | on my school's network right now >.> |
| 22:09.44 | TC-Working | hmmm....is 4.2K to much to pay for a tablet PC? |
| 22:09.55 | Shirik|Ecole | it's probably their fault,as I look at my irc client saying "609 ms ping to orwell.freenode.net" |
| 22:10.11 | Shirik|Ecole | TC-Working: Yes >< |
| 22:10.20 | Shirik|Ecole | What's it got that makes it so pricey? |
| 22:10.30 | Shirik|Ecole | and is that USD? |
| 22:10.35 | TC-Working | yes |
| 22:10.57 | TC-Working | http://wowi.pastey.net/14704 |
| 22:11.37 | Shirik|Ecole | is that a hard case? |
| 22:11.45 | TC-Working | yes, full protection |
| 22:12.01 | TC-Working | but still full access to all ports and screen |
| 22:12.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess that is a nice setup |
| 22:12.19 | Shirik|Ecole | the real question is |
| 22:12.21 | Shirik|Ecole | do you need it |
| 22:12.31 | TC-Working | indeed, with the 2 batteries it can go for about 6-7 hours |
| 22:12.32 | TC-Working | no |
| 22:14.20 | Shirik|Ecole | -_- the htaccess file is 3 lines long, how can it take this long!! |
| 22:14.27 | Shirik|Ecole | ok something's fubared >.> |
| 22:15.44 | Hallu | 30gb hard drive =( |
| 22:15.48 | Hallu | that's less than an ipod! |
| 22:16.05 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 22:16.22 | Shirik|Ecole | my laptop's only 35 |
| 22:16.39 | Corrodias | dude, even mine's a 40 |
| 22:16.41 | Hallu | my laptop is only 30gb, but it is very old. A PIII 850. |
| 22:16.46 | Hallu | it is useless in modern times |
| 22:16.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't see the need for much more than that. My laptop is only for work |
| 22:17.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I still have 25GB free |
| 22:17.06 | Hallu | I guess you don't use VMWare environments to devtest |
| 22:17.08 | Corrodias | at my work, we need many gigs |
| 22:17.17 | Shirik|Ecole | Hallu: I literally only code on my laptop |
| 22:17.21 | Shirik|Ecole | testing is done on my desktop |
| 22:17.33 | Corrodias | we take databases, sometimes several gigabytes in size, and convert them to another format, which may involve making several copies along the way :( |
| 22:17.36 | Hallu | I do everything on desktops. hehe |
| 22:17.42 | Shirik|Ecole | because usually I'm using my laptop while I"m eating, etc. |
| 22:17.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't typically use it |
| 22:17.50 | Shirik|Ecole | like right now I"m eating :P |
| 22:17.53 | Hallu | yeah... |
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| 22:18.08 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:18.26 | Shirik|Ecole | wb Cide :D |
| 22:19.04 | Cide | thanks, I took a little nap and it ended up being longer than expected |
| 22:19.22 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 22:19.29 | Shirik|Ecole | I saw you log on for like 3 minutes and leave a few hours ago |
| 22:21.01 | TC-Working | so the tablet would really only be used for school...which means i dont really need a huge ammount of specs on the inside |
| 22:21.19 | TC-Working | well that and class based WoW time |
| 22:24.36 | Shirik|Ecole | anyone familiar with php's mysqli here? |
| 22:25.00 | Hallu | wow on a tablet =( |
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| 22:25.29 | Shirik|Ecole | lo, |
| 22:25.36 | Shirik|Ecole | write a W to go forward one step |
| 22:25.41 | Shirik|Ecole | write another W to keep going forward |
| 22:25.42 | Hallu | haha |
| 22:26.00 | Hallu | you would have to use click to move |
| 22:26.04 | Hallu | oh man |
| 22:26.08 | Hallu | Does anyone actually use that?!?! |
| 22:26.18 | Shirik|Ecole | actually I know people that do |
| 22:26.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I used to for a while because I was used to RF |
| 22:26.24 | Hallu | poor souls |
| 22:26.32 | Shirik|Ecole | but... I imagine on a tablet |
| 22:26.39 | Shirik|Ecole | you'd just use the keyboard |
| 22:26.46 | Shirik|Ecole | and not use a tablet |
| 22:26.47 | Hallu | saw this little gnome mage the other day |
| 22:26.50 | Hallu | keyboard turning |
| 22:26.51 | Shirik|Ecole | s/a/as a/ |
| 22:27.10 | Hallu | getting hit with like 3 spells before he could finish turning around |
| 22:27.39 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, say purl, hi |
| 22:27.40 | purl | purl, hi |
| 22:27.46 | Shirik|Ecole | boo :( |
| 22:27.58 | Hallu | purl, hi |
| 22:28.00 | purl | hello, hallu |
| 22:28.16 | Hallu | purl, do you know outlander 2000? |
| 22:28.17 | purl | yes, I know outlander 2000. |
| 22:28.44 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, what is outlander 2000? |
| 22:28.47 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: what are you talking about? |
| 22:28.50 | Hallu | <HenryP> outlander, do you know perl? |
| 22:28.51 | Hallu | <outlander> nasty to me all over himself, HenryP. |
| 22:28.51 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
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| 22:29.36 | Hallu | outlander is a bot that's in another IRC channel I use |
| 22:29.40 | Hallu | (and server) |
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| 22:35.10 | TC-Working | i dunno, a touch screen wow would be kinda cool |
| 22:35.54 | TC-Working | hmm..need to design a touchscreen GUI addon |
| 22:38.38 | TC-Working | besides, slouken created a move pad mod wich would work |
| 22:39.22 | Cide | anyone know french in here by any chance? |
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| 22:40.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: Some, what's up? |
| 22:40.47 | TC-Working | why would any one admit to that? |
| 22:40.51 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 22:40.54 | TC-Working | heh |
| 22:41.05 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:41.07 | Industrial | >_< |
| 22:41.15 | TC-Working | ~comfort Shirik|Ecole |
| 22:41.17 | purl | There, there, Shirik|Ecole. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:41.37 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: I'm sorry, but I digress... Could you translate "Les sous-ensembles dans les grands ensembles s'assemblent" for a friend of mine? |
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| 22:42.13 | sysrage | woot. fubar is fubar! |
| 22:42.30 | Garoun | yep |
| 22:42.31 | Cairenn | red pandas are adorable! |
| 22:42.34 | TC-Working | the serious group of the grand groupd group? |
| 22:42.54 | Shirik|Ecole | that... |
| 22:42.59 | Shirik|Ecole | do you have a context for me? |
| 22:43.11 | sysrage | is there an official place to get info about fubar? |
| 22:43.31 | sysrage | think i found it nevermind |
| 22:43.42 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: heh, nope |
| 22:43.43 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah like TC-Working said, it's somewhat, meaningless... it says quite literally "The sub-group assembles the larger group" |
| 22:44.17 | Shirik|Ecole | wait no that's backwards |
| 22:44.29 | Shirik|Ecole | no that's right |
| 22:44.30 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry |
| 22:44.33 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid reflexive verbs |
| 22:44.44 | TC-Working | your not talking to me are you? |
| 22:44.45 | Cide | haha, alright :) |
| 22:44.50 | Cide | thanks, Shirik|Ecole, TC-Working |
| 22:45.01 | Shirik|Ecole | TC-Working: No I was talking to myself :P |
| 22:45.11 | TC-Working | umm...i was guessing about what it said |
| 22:45.17 | Shirik|Ecole | actually you were pretty close |
| 22:45.21 | TC-Working | i dont know french....just some altin |
| 22:45.23 | TC-Working | latin* |
| 22:45.28 | TC-Working | thats where i was pulling from |
| 22:45.29 | Shirik|Ecole | And you were correct that it doesn't mean much :P |
| 22:46.15 | TC-Working | well ensembles in english are usualy groups of "something" |
| 22:46.33 | TC-Working | Shirik|Ecole was correct when he needed the context to do it correctly |
| 22:46.37 | Industrial | sigh, what cant firefox take spamming it with opening 60 links in tabs :( its all slow :( |
| 22:46.41 | Industrial | why* |
| 22:47.05 | zenzelezz | the porn is strong with this one |
| 22:47.17 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 22:47.31 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:47.46 | Shirik|Ecole | wtb someone that knows php and mysqli... any takers? :( |
| 22:47.59 | Industrial | well, no comment on that, but iw as browsing for anime. |
| 22:48.08 | Shirik|Ecole | hentai? |
| 22:48.15 | Industrial | a n i m e |
| 22:48.24 | Shirik|Ecole | hentai anime? |
| 22:48.28 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: I was under the impression that the functions just mirror the functionality of the mysql_* ones |
| 22:48.28 | Industrial | Shirik|Ecole: use a webframework or a CMS, its hot these days |
| 22:48.52 | Industrial | like eh, cakephp or CMSMadeSimple |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: There's one difference, that is, the use of parameters. Your queries, for example, become SELECT fields FROM table WHERE field = ? |
| 22:49.11 | Cide | integrating that halfway through development is a ... big... pain |
| 22:49.11 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of the actual escaped value in place of the ? |
| 22:49.17 | Industrial | Cide: true |
| 22:49.45 | Shirik|Ecole | And this is just probably a stupid mistake |
| 22:49.57 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: ah, well.. that sounds like a good way of doing it |
| 22:49.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not switching over to CMS just because of something stupid |
| 22:50.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: It's nice because what happens is you don't have to escape your values anymore |
| 22:50.15 | Cide | do you have a specific bug or what? |
| 22:50.19 | Shirik|Ecole | no worries of SQL injection, etc |
| 22:50.23 | Cide | yeah, exactly |
| 22:50.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Yes.. my query is "SELECT id, pass, salt, email, access_id, fname, lname FROM accounts WHERE username=? AND activated=1" |
| 22:50.50 | Shirik|Ecole | And I keep getting this: Warning: mysqli_stmt::bind_param() [function.bind-param]: Number of variables doesn't match number of parameters in prepared statement in /home/mlc-hosting/public_html/newgame/class_player.inc.php on line 50 |
| 22:51.03 | Shirik|Ecole | And for some reason, when I use $query->param_count, it returns 0, not 1 |
| 22:51.06 | Shirik|Ecole | and I can't figure out why -_- |
| 22:53.27 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: are you passing in the types param? |
| 22:53.36 | Cide | bool mysqli_stmt_bind_param ( mysqli_stmt $stmt, string $types, mixed &$var1 [, mixed &$...] ) |
| 22:53.58 | Shirik|Ecole | yup: $query->query->bind_param("s", $username); |
| 22:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | (note it's encapsulated in a class) |
| 22:54.10 | Shirik|Ecole | thus the $query->query |
| 22:54.14 | Cide | yeah.. weird |
| 22:54.52 | Cide | are you sure it's properly passing in the statement from the class instance then? |
| 22:54.53 | leethal | Shirik|Ecole: *cough* ruby on rails |
| 22:55.00 | Shirik|Ecole | leethal: NEVER! |
| 22:55.10 | Cide | django > RoR (imo of course!) |
| 22:55.27 | leethal | I figured out the difference between RoR people and other people |
| 22:55.27 | zenzelezz | we should all convert to ASP |
| 22:55.42 | Shirik|Ecole | zenzelezz: I will kill myself before that happens |
| 22:55.43 | leethal | RoR people likes creating stuff, while Django/PHP/wootevah people likes svolving problems |
| 22:55.57 | Cide | leethal: have you looked up django? |
| 22:55.58 | leethal | so, we're just different, not worse/better =P |
| 22:56.03 | Cide | because django !== PHP |
| 22:56.14 | Cide | django is quite similar to RoR |
| 22:56.23 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: yeah, my bad |
| 22:56.30 | Shirik|Ecole | no, actually it's legal in php :) |
| 22:56.33 | Cide | I know |
| 22:56.44 | Cide | but I didn't want to imply that they're "almost similar" or anything to that effect ;) |
| 22:56.48 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 22:58.12 | Cide | but in any case, django is not similar to PHP at all (somewhat comparing apples and oranges here, since PHP is a language and django is not, but anyway) |
| 23:02.09 | leethal | I don't see any single downside with Ruby on Rails, so no django for me |
| 23:02.16 | leethal | perhaps I should try it, though |
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| 23:03.01 | Cide | RoR does sql -> object, right? |
| 23:03.08 | leethal | yeah you rarely use sql |
| 23:03.09 | Shirik|Ecole | yup, stupid mistake |
| 23:03.10 | Shirik|Ecole | ..... |
| 23:03.22 | Cide | as in, you create the database and RoR derives the objects? |
| 23:03.25 | Cide | or something to that effect |
| 23:03.29 | leethal | Person.find(:all, :conditions => ["created_at > ?", Time.now]) and such |
| 23:03.47 | Cide | I meant when deriving the objects (at the start of a new project most likely) |
| 23:03.50 | Cide | ActiveRecords or whatever |
| 23:04.13 | leethal | if you think that is unreadable code, I really think you suck |
| 23:04.18 | Shirik|Ecole | =P |
| 23:04.25 | Cide | that in django would be... Person.objects.filter(created_at__gt=Time.now) |
| 23:04.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Some day I'll probably learn it |
| 23:04.31 | Cide | where gt = "greater than" |
| 23:04.33 | Shirik|Ecole | it's just so extremely different |
| 23:05.18 | Cide | leethal: so, tell me.. do you not create the database scheme in SQL? |
| 23:06.22 | leethal | no, you create it in ruby |
| 23:09.06 | leethal | it's kinda weird.. absolutely everything is in ruby - except from the database configuration file |
| 23:09.11 | leethal | that's in YAML |
| 23:16.18 | zenzelezz | can |cf...|r be used in FontString tex? |
| 23:16.19 | zenzelezz | *text |
| 23:16.21 | Shirik | lol "it's kinda wierd" |
| 23:16.28 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I believe so |
| 23:16.51 | Shirik | leethal: Like everything else? ^^ |
| 23:16.59 | Shirik | jkjk |
| 23:17.30 | leethal | hehe |
| 23:26.33 | zenzelezz | some people need convincing |
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| 23:31.31 | Cide | can you level past 60 with it? :P |
| 23:31.37 | Cide | and what would happen when it runs out then? |
| 23:31.40 | Shirik | no idea, just saw it on the launcher |
| 23:32.04 | zenzelezz | a Fel Reaver will hunt you down and kill you when it runs out, porting you back to Azeroth \o/ |
| 23:32.11 | zenzelezz | at least I think it ought to be like that |
| 23:33.59 | Zicon | That would be awesome. |
| 23:35.07 | Gryphen | you can level past 60, but not to 61 |
| 23:35.37 | Shirik | so like |
| 23:35.41 | Shirik | you can get within 1xp of 61? |
| 23:35.44 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:36.38 | Shirik | can you roll a be/draenei? |
| 23:36.42 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:36.47 | Gryphen | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowbilling/?id=abl02109p |
| 23:38.20 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 23:39.14 | Shirik | lon |
| 23:39.15 | Shirik | lol* |
| 23:39.16 | Shirik | this is cruel |
| 23:39.26 | Shirik | Can I try out jewelcrafting in the trial edition? |
| 23:39.27 | Shirik | Yes! And you can keep all items and skill advancements made in this profession after the trial expires, on any character that has trained it. Keep in mind that jewelcrafting trainers are all located in the expansion zones, however, so you won’t be able to train new levels or certain recipes unless you get the full version of The Burning Crusade. |
| 23:42.39 | Lysistrata | I still don't get why there aren't trainers in SW etc. if they don't want "non BC" owners to train they could just let them teach journeyman or better or something. |
| 23:43.12 | Cide | that would involve hardcoding it most likely - bad idea |
| 23:43.19 | Cide | or rather, it would be too complex |
| 23:43.38 | Cide | besides, that doesn't make much sense |
| 23:44.04 | Cide | after the expansion's release there are trainers in all capitals, but you can only speak to them if you have the expansion |
| 23:44.38 | zenzelezz | I'm more curious why there are no class trainers in Outland |
| 23:45.16 | Shirik | yeah that's a bit annoying |
| 23:45.32 | Cide | probably because they want to keep azeroth visited |
| 23:45.33 | Lysistrata | Why? So you always need to get to Exodar on lower levels which isn't really next to the "normal" leveling zones in fact it's on a different continent. And where would it require hardcoding something? Journyman etc. probably isn't more than a spell and there are already trainers teaching different things so it wouldn't be that hard. |
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| 23:46.46 | Cide | Lysistrata: tell me how it would make sense for them to only learn you stuff once you buy the burning crusade, then :) |
| 23:48.00 | Shirik | any priests on to give advice? |
| 23:48.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.146) |
| 23:49.03 | Zicon | cide: "You look to poor for me to bother training you. Go away." |
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| 23:49.17 | Cide | Shirik: /me |
| 23:49.31 | zenzelezz | surely a Tier 2, or even a T0, person wouldn't look to poor |
| 23:49.37 | Shirik | I'm currently 50... what would you recommend Cide? |
| 23:49.39 | Shirik | Should I stay shadow? |
| 23:49.53 | Cide | how are you leveling? |
| 23:50.02 | Mikma | i'm not cide but i say yes you should if you're leveling to 70 |
| 23:50.20 | Shirik | mostly grinding for now, but I'd prefer to level through instances (and have the means to do so) |
| 23:50.23 | Cide | if you're healing in dungeons, disc (or holy) is fine.. otherwise, stay shadow |
| 23:50.38 | Shirik | that's what I thought you would say |
| 23:50.50 | Cide | besides, you can heal all instances as shadow anyway (up to higher-end level 70 instances) |
| 23:51.03 | Mikma | yeah, i do that :) |
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| 23:51.23 | Mikma | ~poke JoshBorke |
| 23:51.25 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind JoshBorke, pokes JoshBorke repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:51.27 | TC-Working | cide alot of raids now prefer shadow priests for dps/healing |
| 23:51.37 | Cide | TC-Working: oh, tell me about it :P |
| 23:51.43 | JoshBorke | r |
| 23:51.43 | TC-Working | it's good DPS with the added bouns of off healing |
| 23:51.48 | JoshBorke | purl, poke Mik |
| 23:51.50 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Mik, pokes Mik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:51.50 | TC-Working | .... |
| 23:51.58 | zenzelezz | I believe what Cide meant was "I know, nub" |
| 23:51.59 | Cide | TC-Working: http://ctprofiles.net/1 |
| 23:52.02 | Mikma | ~tryme |
| 23:52.05 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at mikma and fires. BANG! |
| 23:52.09 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:52.10 | Mikma | :( |
| 23:52.22 | TC-Working | hey what can i say, it's a great change from "your a shadow priest....we have no room go away and die" |
| 23:52.34 | JoshBorke | Mikma: owned |
| 23:52.41 | Mikma | badly. |
| 23:52.48 | Shirik | TC-Working: Yeah :P |
| 23:52.55 | Cide | see my profile, TC-Working :) |
| 23:53.02 | TC-Working | i am |
| 23:53.12 | TC-Working | mine is not as impressive, but it's similar |
| 23:53.32 | Shirik | no improved MB? |
| 23:53.38 | Cide | not worth it, no |
| 23:53.45 | Cide | besides, don't have the points for it |
| 23:54.01 | Shirik | and 3/5 shadow weaving is enough? |
| 23:54.10 | leethal | shadowpirests pwn dps charts in kara |
| 23:54.11 | Cide | for raiding, yup |
| 23:54.18 | Mikma | is imp vampiric embrace really necessary? |
| 23:54.26 | Cide | for raiding, yup |
| 23:54.34 | TC-Working | yes |
| 23:54.49 | TC-Working | but i wouldnt go with martyrdom...if your getting hit, something is wrong |
| 23:54.55 | Mikma | hmm well for raiding it may be. but for grinding it ain't :P |
| 23:54.57 | Cide | pvp |
| 23:55.04 | TC-Working | oh...yea ok |
| 23:55.18 | Cide | somewhat useful in pve too |
| 23:55.25 | TC-Working | not in a raid really |
| 23:55.26 | Cide | the days of "tank and spank" encounters are long gone |
| 23:55.34 | Mikma | atleast when grinding in pve |
| 23:57.45 | zenzelezz | my guild has seen somewhat more drama than I appreciate since BC :-( At least we're still around, but I'm getting fed up with people arguing all the time during and between raids |
| 23:57.55 | zenzelezz | making slow progress as a result |
| 23:59.07 | leethal | zenzelezz: 40 => 10/25 is a problem I guess? |
| 23:59.25 | zenzelezz | actually that's not the root of it, we were prepared for that |
