| 00:00.09 | Depherios | There was one that auto swapped weapons depending on mana levels, and druid forms... But I've just been using outfitter |
| 00:02.06 | Garoun | Closetgnome is another one |
| 00:02.11 | Garoun | and so is Itemrack |
| 00:02.31 | zenzelezz | I'm afraid you're all too late |
| 00:06.13 | raevanmorlock | You're too late! |
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| 00:10.47 | raevanmorlock | Is there an API call to unequip an item? |
| 00:13.49 | Esamynn | not specifically for that |
| 00:15.07 | raevanmorlock | Would I do like.. PickupInventoryItem(slot) and then something else to put it in inventory? |
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| 00:22.00 | raevanmorlock | So that works.. I just have no way of telling what slot it's going to.. bleh |
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| 00:30.43 | TC_Working | Shirik.... do you play CSS on US West servers? |
| 00:30.51 | Shirik | I play on my server |
| 00:30.55 | Shirik | TWL NA league |
| 00:31.12 | Shirik | actually I was off on the time :P It's tonight at 9:30 the match so, yeah, I'll be leaving again in a bit >< |
| 00:33.56 | TC_Working | TeamWarfare League huh.....never heard of them |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik | well CAL and TWL |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik | tonight, TWL |
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| 00:35.28 | TC_Working | CAL on the other hand i have heard of |
| 00:35.33 | Shirik | most have |
| 00:35.35 | Shirik | TWL's less known |
| 00:35.51 | TC_Working | my clan is in CAL but i dont play with them |
| 00:35.55 | Shirik | nice |
| 00:36.08 | TC_Working | Work kills CSS for me |
| 00:36.14 | TC_Working | other than fun time |
| 00:37.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:38.08 | TC_Working | yea, once i go back to school, then i will be able to do it mor...professionaly, that is if i can remember how to buy weapons after playing GG straight |
| 00:38.19 | TC_Working | s/mor/more/ |
| 00:40.57 | raevanmorlock | Alrighty.. there's a delay in moving items from equipment to a bag so my code doesn't work.. hooray! |
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| 00:42.09 | Shadowed | Yep |
| 00:42.17 | Shadowed | Picking up and dropping items is fun |
| 00:42.57 | raevanmorlock | I don't think you understand the definition of the word 'fun' |
| 00:44.37 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone know of an addon that records the prices of equipped items? |
| 00:44.42 | jiteo | Let's port GTK! Joy! |
| 00:44.44 | jiteo | Not. |
| 00:45.15 | raevanmorlock | jiteo: You mean like WoW UI Designer? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat49.html |
| 00:46.16 | jiteo | Kinda. |
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| 01:27.54 | Legorol | ~seen mentalpower |
| 01:28.56 | purl | mentalpower <i=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 20h 16m 23s ago, saying: 'yeah, I also noticed that I was multipliying by 10 *after* I inputted it :-/'. |
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| 01:31.45 | raevanmorlock | How would I get the name of the object under the cursor? |
| 01:33.02 | raevanmorlock | Or better still.. how could I tell if a tooltip already has an item's price listed on it? |
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| 01:40.32 | raevanmorlock | I can scan the tooltip for the price... but I don't know how it represents "<number> <copper symbol>" .. trying to print it out displays nothing and yet the value ~= "" |
| 01:45.25 | raevanmorlock | >>> str = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"; return #str; |
| 01:45.45 | raevanmorlock | darnit he's gone again |
| 01:47.18 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: 26 |
| 01:48.36 | raevanmorlock | That didn't come out right |
| 01:48.37 | raevanmorlock | I mean.. sound right |
| 01:50.25 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
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| 01:50.51 | Thunder_Child | did it sound like a grunting explosion? |
| 01:50.56 | raevanmorlock | Byte 32 is the return key, right? |
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| 01:51.28 | cladhaire | anyone here use Colloguy? |
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| 01:58.30 | Beladona | cladhaire : call a guy? |
| 01:59.07 | cladhaire | wow, that was suprisingly original |
| 01:59.07 | cladhaire | yet still not funny =) |
| 01:59.07 | Beladona | you hurt me |
| 01:59.07 | Shirik | ouch |
| 01:59.07 | Shirik | that's painful |
| 01:59.09 | NoraBatty | Buh-dum-schhhhh |
| 01:59.10 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:59.10 | Beladona | in ym defense, its Colloquy isn't it? |
| 01:59.11 | JoshBorke | ~rimshot |
| 01:59.15 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 01:59.15 | Shirik | it's ok Beladona she does it to me all the time :( |
| 01:59.22 | Shirik | he* |
| 01:59.22 | Shirik | HE |
| 01:59.27 | NoraBatty | And the crowd goes ".............................." |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | ~neuralize |
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| 02:00.21 | Shirik | hrm |
| 02:00.32 | cladhaire | ripping a new database for lightheaded |
| 02:00.42 | cladhaire | see if i can remember the correct sequence of lua scripts to make it spit out the data =) |
| 02:00.45 | NoraBatty | Come now Shirik, if someone choose a name which pretty much /means/ beautiful woman, it's easy to forget :) |
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| 02:01.48 | Cairenn|afk | unh, you think cladhaire means beautiful woman? |
| 02:01.48 | cladhaire | yeah not so much |
| 02:01.57 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 02:01.59 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 02:01.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:01.59 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk means beautiful woman ^^ |
| 02:02.00 | NoraBatty | cladhaire, can share :) |
| 02:02.00 | Shirik | um |
| 02:02.00 | Shirik | without the afk part |
| 02:02.01 | NoraBatty | I've got enough love to go around |
| 02:03.06 | NoraBatty | For the philistines "bella donna" = beauftigul woman. Like me. Cause I'm Nora Batty. |
| 02:03.18 | NoraBatty | *uh, beautiful |
| 02:03.22 | Shirik | ah, I was referring to cladhaire actually |
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| 02:03.48 | cladhaire | cladhaire means rogue, or villain |
| 02:03.55 | Zicon | cladhaire means rogu...yeah. |
| 02:04.03 | cladhaire | Zicon: you knew that? |
| 02:04.08 | Zicon | Yep... |
| 02:04.18 | cladhaire | do you speak Irish? |
| 02:04.33 | Zicon | Not a word of it. |
| 02:04.34 | Cairenn | could be because you've defined it in channel previously cladhaire ;) |
| 02:04.40 | cladhaire | probably |
| 02:04.41 | cladhaire | stalker |
| 02:04.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:04.56 | cladhaire | Cladhaire, Sagart, Sealgaire, Draoi, Ban |
| 02:04.56 | NoraBatty | Gotta love stalkers |
| 02:05.01 | Zicon | I have a general interest in languages, and a very good memory. |
| 02:05.01 | cladhaire | err yeah |
| 02:05.04 | Shirik | I wish I had a stalker :( |
| 02:05.04 | Cairenn | no, you really really don't |
| 02:05.05 | cladhaire | am i missing any there? |
| 02:05.09 | Cairenn | no, you don't |
| 02:05.11 | NoraBatty | Especially those who, uh, pretend to be someone else |
| 02:05.16 | cladhaire | oh yeah, Mallaithe |
| 02:05.18 | Zicon | cladhaire: Nah, you defined it on the web somewhere. :P |
| 02:05.26 | cladhaire | Fuilteach |
| 02:05.39 | Cairenn | been there, done that, not fun |
| 02:05.57 | cladhaire | Damnit, I bet Kalimdor is continent 0 |
| 02:06.01 | Zicon | shirik: Really? I'm available; cheap and efficient... |
| 02:06.05 | cladhaire | that means I have E.Kingdoms and Outlands to go |
| 02:06.08 | Shirik | Cairenn: It was probably because you were wearing that t-shirt |
| 02:06.29 | Cairenn | lol, nope, not wearing that t-shirt cause no one's bought it for me yet |
| 02:06.55 | JoshBorke | huh? |
| 02:06.58 | JoshBorke | sorry, i'm too poor |
| 02:06.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:07.04 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 02:07.06 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
| 02:07.13 | Shirik | cladhaire you have a priest right? |
| 02:07.23 | cladhaire | indeed, Sagart |
| 02:07.27 | cladhaire | currently 66.92 |
| 02:07.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:07.32 | JoshBorke | he's a n00b druid |
| 02:07.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:07.41 | Shirik | Sagart is his name |
| 02:07.42 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:07.47 | NoraBatty | Bob? |
| 02:07.48 | Shirik | Um... is it useful to use vampiric touch? |
| 02:07.50 | cladhaire | Sagart means Priest =) |
| 02:07.53 | Beladona | <-- beautiful woman |
| 02:07.56 | Beladona | in my bed! |
| 02:08.01 | Shirik | I just got it |
| 02:08.04 | cladhaire | Shirik: depends on how long the mob stays alive, and whether or not you need it to kill them quickly |
| 02:08.06 | Shirik | while soloing * |
| 02:08.08 | cladhaire | for grinding |
| 02:08.20 | cladhaire | depends on the level difference, and HP in my experience |
| 02:08.22 | cladhaire | but i'm new to it |
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| 02:08.32 | Shirik | I'm really used to holy >< |
| 02:08.36 | Shirik | New to shadow really |
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| 02:08.45 | JoshBorke | not really |
| 02:08.51 | Depherios | grinding shadow, VT with mana regen trinkets and shadowfiend, you don't need to drink if you get good at it |
| 02:09.03 | NoraBatty | The best class is Broom-Wielding Siren |
| 02:09.03 | Shirik | I'm not even close to having trinkets or shadowfiend |
| 02:09.05 | Depherios | I always mess up and have to drink every so often, but not very |
| 02:09.28 | Depherios | not sure about low levels :P I never had VT until 60 |
| 02:09.34 | cladhaire | Depherios: My problem is, I only have 8k mana, and VT followed by MB is what, 1k mana? |
| 02:09.48 | NoraBatty | I get +5 to hand to hand combat, and I get a pet called Compo |
| 02:09.51 | cladhaire | I'd love to hear any hints you have |
| 02:09.54 | Depherios | well, you'll regen a lot... my priest only has 6k mana in full +dmg |
| 02:09.58 | Beladona | signs that you need to stop coding: |
| 02:10.05 | Beladona | when youa re about to tell people in irc: |
| 02:10.13 | cladhaire | i only have about 350 +shadow right now |
| 02:10.13 | Shirik | you start putting a semicolon after english sentences |
| 02:10.15 | Beladona | local bbl = tonight or "tomorrow"; |
| 02:10.16 | cladhaire | i'm trying to get it higher |
| 02:10.35 | Shirik | I do that occasionally |
| 02:10.35 | Depherios | ahh, less damge means you'll regen less with VT... hmm... I've never thought about it |
| 02:10.39 | Shirik | the semicolon thing |
| 02:11.15 | raevanmorlock | given a function func(a, b, c) -- should arg1 == a? Or is that something special. |
| 02:11.15 | NoraBatty | I often try to put ~~~~ at the end of sentences |
| 02:11.15 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: What does that mean |
| 02:11.15 | cladhaire | Depherios: How much do you need to make it effective? |
| 02:11.31 | NoraBatty | Does really no-one here know who Nora Batty is? |
| 02:11.31 | cladhaire | and what sort of rotation do you use? |
| 02:12.12 | raevanmorlock | Shirik: Well, specifically, the wiki says to use arg1 in order to get the price of a stack of items when the OnTooltipAddMoney() function is invoked... so I figured I could do OnTooltipAddMoney(stack_price) and then use stack_price isntead of arg1, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 02:12.24 | JoshBorke | you have to do at least 500 DPS to make VT break even |
| 02:12.33 | Shirik | so a script |
| 02:12.34 | Depherios | VT, MB, VE, SW:P SW:D Flay Flay, but that'll break |
| 02:12.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:12.44 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: okay.. i'll work on that then |
| 02:12.45 | Shirik | or wait |
| 02:12.46 | Depherios | with the patch |
| 02:12.47 | Shirik | I think it's |
| 02:12.50 | Shirik | (event, arg1, arg2) |
| 02:12.55 | cladhaire | i just picked up the battle mage baton from ring of blood. |
| 02:13.05 | cladhaire | Depherios: you use VE instead of PW:S? |
| 02:13.09 | cladhaire | i know PW:S sucks mana like whoa |
| 02:13.13 | JoshBorke | seems to me yous hould use pain before VT |
| 02:13.14 | Depherios | I don't PW:S at all |
| 02:13.18 | Depherios | it's just a waste in endgame |
| 02:13.25 | Depherios | VT has a cast time |
| 02:13.36 | Shirik | NoraBatty: I don't think so :( |
| 02:13.38 | JoshBorke | yes, and? |
| 02:13.46 | JoshBorke | pain last far longre than VT |
| 02:14.20 | JoshBorke | and you don't have to waste a cooldown |
| 02:14.30 | Depherios | yah but you want that VT before you MB |
| 02:14.38 | Depherios | because if MB crits you get quite a bit of mana |
| 02:14.40 | Shirik | then wouldn't you want VT before SW:P? |
| 02:14.45 | Depherios | rather than wasting the VT without the regen |
| 02:14.47 | Shirik | Then you can hit SW:P as soon as VT lands |
| 02:14.53 | raevanmorlock | Shirik: That works.. thanks |
| 02:14.57 | JoshBorke | why not SW:P before the VT though? |
| 02:15.03 | Depherios | all the reasons we've listed |
| 02:15.04 | Shirik | because SW:P invokes a GCD |
| 02:15.08 | NoraBatty | This is me on the right: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Bill_Owen,_Kathy_Staff.jpg/300px-Bill_Owen,_Kathy_Staff.jpg |
| 02:15.13 | JoshBorke | start with a SW:P |
| 02:15.13 | Depherios | you don't want to start with an instantcast for one |
| 02:15.30 | JoshBorke | meh, whatever. it works for me :-) |
| 02:15.36 | Depherios | XD |
| 02:15.41 | Depherios | everybody does things differently, lol |
| 02:15.47 | JoshBorke | exactly |
| 02:16.03 | Depherios | I try to get both cooldowns out of the way so I can do them again ASAP |
| 02:16.14 | Shirik | me too |
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| 02:16.25 | JoshBorke | i don't grind much anymore |
| 02:16.34 | Depherios | PvP, I start with SW:P usually lol |
| 02:16.35 | JoshBorke | so i just know what i do for 5-mans |
| 02:16.37 | Shirik | typically I do |
| 02:16.50 | Shirik | MB, VE, SW:P, MF, MB, MF, MF etc |
| 02:17.23 | Depherios | I used to cast MB out of habit first, but VT takes one second longer (or two?) before the first tick, so they run at you later... and then you get mana back from the MB |
| 02:17.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | That's odd, I thought Kirk|Vista quit ages ago |
| 02:17.35 | Shirik | I haven't yet used VT |
| 02:17.38 | Shirik | I got it about 5 seconds ago |
| 02:17.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:17.57 | JoshBorke | on a boss it's: VE, VT, SW:P, MB, SW: D, MF, MF, SW: D, VT, MB, SW: D, MF, MF etc |
| 02:18.06 | Shirik | Kirkburn|Vista: In theory, a ghost can last forever |
| 02:18.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hey, wait, I reconnected even though I wasn't actually connected? |
| 02:18.25 | Shirik | the server will only realize you're disconnected when it finally tries to send a ping request |
| 02:18.33 | Shirik | which could be as long as it feels like being |
| 02:18.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | 16 mins ago I reconnected when brown came abck online :P |
| 02:18.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | However I'd already quit and joined with a different nick |
| 02:18.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | Gotta love netsplits |
| 02:19.00 | Shirik | that's when you do a /ns ghost |
| 02:19.13 | Kirkburn|Vista | NoraBatty doesn't 'do' /ns ghost |
| 02:19.14 | Shirik | hold up |
| 02:19.20 | Shirik | 22:17:47 » NoraBatty is now known as Kirkburn|Vista |
| 02:19.20 | Nom- | http://jester.egn.com.au/images/asstd/aususa1.jpg |
| 02:19.21 | Shirik | ?? |
| 02:19.24 | Nom- | http://jester.egn.com.au/images/asstd/aususa2.jpg |
| 02:19.24 | Bela|afk | night guys |
| 02:19.29 | Shirik | night |
| 02:19.37 | Shirik | Nora == Kirkburn? |
| 02:19.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | Night Bela|afk |
| 02:19.46 | Cairenn | hey, wait, what? NoraBatty is Kirkburn? |
| 02:19.53 | Cairenn | night Bela|afk :) |
| 02:19.56 | Kirkburn|Vista | Uh, er, ah |
| 02:20.17 | Shirik | EXPLAIN THYSELF! |
| 02:20.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | I've been foiling you these last 15 months |
| 02:20.39 | Cairenn | lol, I was wondering how someone who appeared to be so new to the channel was so cheeky - all is explained now |
| 02:20.45 | Kirkburn|Vista | Aww |
| 02:20.53 | Shirik | I like that word |
| 02:20.54 | Shirik | "cheeky" |
| 02:21.16 | Shirik | I was new to the channel :( |
| 02:21.23 | Shirik | I'm still new from some perspectives |
| 02:21.30 | Cairenn | you initiated pretty quick ;) |
| 02:21.44 | Shirik | ~dict Cheeky |
| 02:21.51 | Shirik | wow that really exists |
| 02:21.56 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hey, did we do the initiation rite? |
| 02:21.59 | Cairenn | well, duh, yeah |
| 02:22.03 | Shirik | Ooh do I get spankings? |
| 02:22.05 | Cairenn | (about the word) |
| 02:22.08 | Cairenn | baby, you only wish |
| 02:22.11 | Zicon | Initiation rite? |
| 02:22.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | I think it involves cookies |
| 02:22.53 | Cairenn | abuse by the regulars, pretty much - seeing if you can take it, and dish it back appropriately |
| 02:23.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Oh and that ^ |
| 02:23.03 | Cairenn | or that |
| 02:23.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:23.10 | Kirkburn|Vista | rofl |
| 02:23.12 | Nom- | mmm cookies |
| 02:23.18 | Shirik | ooh abuse |
| 02:23.22 | Shirik | you can abuse me all you want ;) |
| 02:23.26 | Zicon | I want cookies. |
| 02:23.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | aaah, dish |
| 02:23.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | If you ask, you won't get |
| 02:24.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:24.10 | Kirkburn|Vista | If you don't ask, you won't get either |
| 02:24.30 | Shirik | Zicon: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Set-Cookie: cookie=1 |
| 02:24.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | Insinuation, implications and innuendo are the only ways to get things done |
| 02:24.45 | Zicon | shirik: Oooh. Talk nerdy to me, baby. |
| 02:24.47 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:25.11 | Nom- | yummy |
| 02:25.13 | Nom- | can i have another? |
| 02:25.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:25.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | I booby trapped it |
| 02:25.33 | Shirik | I really wish I could see someone like |
| 02:25.38 | Shirik | my brother, seeing some of these conversations |
| 02:25.41 | Shirik | and know what goes on in his mind |
| 02:25.48 | Shirik | "What the hell" |
| 02:25.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | "What's the number for the asylum again?" |
| 02:26.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:26.29 | Nom- | I don't suffer from insanity |
| 02:26.33 | Nom- | I enjoy every minute of it |
| 02:26.44 | Cairenn | goodness knows the channel can be ... interesting ... for a newcomer to the channel, if they join when we're all in full swing ;) |
| 02:27.29 | Kirkburn|Vista | Cairenn, you'll be glad to know I keep up the spirit in #wowwiki |
| 02:27.42 | Cairenn | I know, I keep tabs ;) |
| 02:27.51 | Thunder_Child | why bother with niks kirk...be cheeky any time |
| 02:27.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | I think some people think I down the spirits too |
| 02:27.54 | Shirik | I'm going to turn on hostmask logging again >.> |
| 02:28.28 | Cairenn | and that probably has the channel going "huh?" |
| 02:28.52 | Shirik | an ability of the client I use |
| 02:28.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | People not understanding my jokes never stopped me yet |
| 02:29.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:29.09 | Shirik | yeah don't understand that one at all |
| 02:29.14 | Shirik | but I ignore Kirkburn|Vista half the time anyway |
| 02:29.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | I aim to please |
| 02:29.53 | Cairenn | "now you aim too, please" |
| 02:30.03 | Tain | I have bad aim. |
| 02:30.15 | Tain | But I always clean up afterwards! |
| 02:30.21 | Cairenn | remind me not to let you use the washrooms in my house |
| 02:30.26 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:30.27 | Shirik | tmi |
| 02:30.31 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:30.38 | Thunder_Child | hey...thats my line... |
| 02:30.48 | Thunder_Child | what Cairenn said that is |
| 02:30.53 | Tain | I have not yet begun to give too much information. |
| 02:31.08 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: better not let him in at all then |
| 02:31.28 | Shirik | I seriously doubt, after what's gone on in this channel |
| 02:31.37 | Shirik | that Cairenn would let half of us in her house at all |
| 02:31.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge KarlThePagan (n=andross@66.225.8.145) |
| 02:31.49 | Thunder_Child | yes she would |
| 02:32.14 | zenzelezz | what, passing up having 50 guys do her whim? |
| 02:32.38 | Tain | There's always more! |
| 02:32.38 | Nom- | I'd go just get the photo |
| 02:32.43 | Nom- | :P |
| 02:33.07 | Tain | And to think I haven't even started drinking tonight. |
| 02:33.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sioraiocht (n=rtharper@cpe-74-71-116-245.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 02:33.18 | Shirik | ?lv |
| 02:33.27 | zenzelezz | it seems cafepress didn't like that shirt thing you linked yesterday Cairenn |
| 02:33.45 | Cairenn | off the site today? |
| 02:33.53 | zenzelezz | seems so |
| 02:34.00 | Shirik | awww |
| 02:34.02 | zenzelezz | only the picture remains |
| 02:34.08 | Nom- | linky ? |
| 02:34.18 | Shirik | damn |
| 02:34.22 | Shirik | we could have had a one-of-a-kind item |
| 02:34.33 | zenzelezz | we do |
| 02:34.54 | Thunder_Child | she is an item now? |
| 02:35.09 | zenzelezz | everyone's an item |
| 02:35.39 | Kirkburn|Vista | But only some are epic |
| 02:35.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz here, he's Common |
| 02:35.59 | Thunder_Child | indeed, not everyone is purple |
| 02:36.03 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 02:36.05 | zenzelezz | I'm grey |
| 02:36.18 | zenzelezz | what was that signature, "friends come and go, epics are soulbound" |
| 02:36.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:36.28 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 02:36.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | What shirt thing?! |
| 02:36.56 | Nom- | Yeah, but you can DE epics and trade the shards |
| 02:37.15 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn|Vista: picture of a woman and the text "If you're going to ride my add, at least pull my hair" |
| 02:37.21 | zenzelezz | *my ass |
| 02:37.23 | Tain | Cairenn is a Legendary drop. |
| 02:37.43 | Cairenn | http://www.cafepress.com/buy/bite/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_18778532/opt_/fpt_/c_360/ |
| 02:37.47 | Nom- | Tain: I thought Artifact ? |
| 02:37.48 | Kirkburn|Vista | zenzelezz, aww, and I thought it was going to be an obscure WoW reference |
| 02:37.54 | Shirik | def. artifact |
| 02:38.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | Suck ups |
| 02:38.12 | Tain | I thought artifact but didn't want that to be interpreted as, "old and buried" |
| 02:38.28 | zenzelezz | why are you here if not to suck up, Kirk? |
| 02:38.41 | Nom- | pfft |
| 02:38.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | I have no life, duh |
| 02:38.44 | Shirik | he joins channels |
| 02:38.47 | Shirik | so that when he /quits |
| 02:38.53 | Shirik | he spams IRC with "join #wowwiki" |
| 02:39.03 | zenzelezz | oh, I forgot, he's linking us MS news stories =D |
| 02:39.05 | Nom- | Highly sought after, extremely rare |
| 02:39.07 | Shirik | :D |
| 02:39.18 | Shirik | zenzelezz: BBC |
| 02:39.25 | Nom- | all the legendary items are too common to compare |
| 02:39.27 | Kirkburn|Vista | MS on BBC, even better |
| 02:39.44 | Nom- | http://www.thottbot.com/i192 |
| 02:39.47 | Nom- | That's the shizzle |
| 02:39.50 | Shirik | Nom-: Yes, Cairenn is truly one of a kind |
| 02:39.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | My perfect post, a story about MS on the BBC which I can somehow use to plug WoWWiki |
| 02:40.00 | Cairenn | everyone is |
| 02:40.06 | Shirik | Cairenn = Martin Thunder of RL |
| 02:40.10 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:40.13 | Shirik | that's what Nom- just linked |
| 02:40.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:40.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ooh, we have articles about martin Thunder on WoWWiki |
| 02:40.16 | zenzelezz | everyone is one of a kind, but some people are more one of a kind than others |
| 02:40.21 | Tain | Lots of one of a kind, but not every kind is one other people want. :) |
| 02:40.38 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm two of a kind. |
| 02:40.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | No I'm not. |
| 02:41.21 | Shirik | o.o |
| 02:41.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 02:41.28 | Shirik | Kirkburn|Vista: Please seek psychiatric assistance |
| 02:41.36 | Shirik | O.O |
| 02:41.37 | Thunder_Child | yes, kirk and nora |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik | you have a clone? |
| 02:41.43 | Shirik | 22:42:11 » Join: Kirkburn ‹n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk› ‹clones: Kirkburn|Vista, Kirkburn› |
| 02:42.00 | zenzelezz | he's building up an army |
| 02:42.11 | Shirik | meh |
| 02:42.17 | Shirik | UK army can't do anything |
| 02:42.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | An army of Nora Battys |
| 02:42.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nothing beats television's most famous broom-wielding siren |
| 02:42.53 | Shirik | is that who Nora Batty is? |
| 02:42.57 | Kirkburn | Nor her clone |
| 02:42.58 | Shirik | a broom-wielding siren? |
| 02:43.11 | zenzelezz | what's Nora Battys? |
| 02:43.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | My characteristics include wrinkled stockings, curlers, and a domineering attitude towards my husband |
| 02:44.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | I will refrain from calling you all philistine today as I would not expect anyone outside of the UK to have expeirenced the delight of The last of the Summer Wine |
| 02:45.38 | Thunder_Child | is that when they stop selling alcohol? |
| 02:45.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | But don't be fooled, I'm sure I'll be calling you all philistine's tomorrow when you don't get another of my amazing repertoire of Very British Jokes |
| 02:45.52 | JoshBorke | they never stop selling alcohol there |
| 02:45.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:46.28 | Nom- | Damn brits |
| 02:46.29 | Nom- | :P |
| 02:46.34 | Nom- | poms |
| 02:46.35 | Nom- | whatever |
| 02:46.36 | Nom- | :P |
| 02:46.45 | Kirkburn|Vista | Limeys, too |
| 02:46.57 | Nom- | l2cricket |
| 02:47.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes, I'm sitting he looking for failings in the Australian 'country' |
| 02:47.56 | Kirkburn|Vista | *here |
| 02:48.01 | zenzelezz | what nationality is your other hand Nom-? |
| 02:48.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:48.19 | Shirik | anyway |
| 02:48.20 | Kirkburn|Vista | Did you vote for or against the Queen? |
| 02:48.22 | Shirik | heading to bead |
| 02:48.24 | Shirik | take care |
| 02:48.30 | Cairenn | night Shirik :) |
| 02:48.40 | Nom- | Neither, Kirkburn|Vista ... I voted for a republic |
| 02:48.45 | Kirkburn|Vista | G'night and enjoy your bead |
| 02:48.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | Splitter! |
| 02:49.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | At least we don't have a crazy ass PM? |
| 02:49.41 | Shirik|zZz | hahahaha |
| 02:49.43 | zenzelezz | what, Blair is out of office? |
| 02:49.50 | Shirik|zZz | zenzelezz: My thoughts exactly |
| 02:49.56 | Nom- | Yeah, someone killed Blair? |
| 02:50.17 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hey, I'm insulting you, you can't do the opposite :( |
| 02:50.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | You're meanies |
| 02:50.37 | zenzelezz | y u h8 :-( |
| 02:51.04 | Nom- | If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen :) |
| 02:51.12 | Kirkburn|Vista | Dammit, why do I have to like Australia so much |
| 02:51.21 | zenzelezz | the accent |
| 02:51.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | It'd be so much easier if I didn't want to live there |
| 02:51.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | NZ accent is cooler :P |
| 02:51.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | (and yes, I believe I can tell the difference) |
| 02:52.03 | Nom- | fush and chups |
| 02:52.08 | zenzelezz | had an Aussie girl in my guild when I played on US-Arthas... they'd keep asking her to say "sexy" on voice chat because they all loved her accent o_O |
| 02:52.17 | Nom- | We LOL @ the NZ Accent |
| 02:52.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | Sounds like they'd be all over a British girl |
| 02:52.44 | zenzelezz | nah, these were Americans |
| 02:52.49 | zenzelezz | they can't like you by principle |
| 02:52.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nom-, only because you so damn jealous |
| 02:52.54 | Nom- | What kind of accent do you have Kirkburn|Vista ? |
| 02:53.01 | Nom- | London, York? |
| 02:53.03 | Kirkburn|Vista | Posh-boy :P |
| 02:53.14 | zenzelezz | I bet he's cockney |
| 02:53.20 | Bleeter | what's to be jealous of in en_NZ accent? 'fush', 'chups', 'sex' |
| 02:53.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | Rather, whatnot and Biggles |
| 02:53.33 | Bleeter | 'snecks' |
| 02:53.35 | Cairenn | he is definitely not cockney |
| 02:53.51 | Nom- | Bleeter: I was making fun of the NZ accent :P |
| 02:53.52 | Cairenn | because for one thing, that's a much a way of speaking, as an accent |
| 02:54.11 | Kirkburn|Vista | Rhyming slang ftw |
| 02:54.17 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 02:54.30 | Tain | You know I'd get surgery to get my voice to sound like Barry White, or James Earl Jones. |
| 02:54.47 | zenzelezz | I must admit my knowledge of foreign language accents isn't all that extensive |
| 02:55.31 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: the "cockney accent" really is as much a way of speaking as it is anything else |
| 02:55.48 | Shirik|zZz | zenzelezz: It's really simple. Just put a "u" in the middle of every word, and you have a British accent |
| 02:55.50 | Cairenn | if you are in trouble, you're in Barney - if you are looking for your coat, you want a boat |
| 02:56.14 | cladhaire | Damnit, wowhead changed their page structure |
| 02:56.18 | cladhaire | _randomly_ too |
| 02:56.22 | Shirik|zZz | ~hug cladhaire |
| 02:56.33 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs cladhaire |
| 02:56.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | I come from 'ere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawbridgeworth |
| 02:56.33 | cladhaire | like silly changes |
| 02:56.34 | Tain | Barney? I love you, you love me? |
| 02:56.34 | zenzelezz | if I could choose my voice, I'd go for Sean Connery's |
| 02:56.36 | cladhaire | only in the quest requirements |
| 02:56.40 | cladhaire | i got it, but its odd =) |
| 02:56.48 | Cairenn | no, Barney Rubble ... rubble - trouble |
| 02:56.51 | Shirik|zZz | cladhaire: Is it automated still? |
| 02:56.57 | cladhaire | always |
| 02:56.59 | Cairenn | as in The Flintstones |
| 02:57.04 | Shirik|zZz | good good :) |
| 02:57.07 | Kirkburn|Vista | Trouble and strife = wife |
| 02:57.12 | Tain | They're a modern stone age family. |
| 02:57.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Dog and bone = phone |
| 02:57.22 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Vista: :) |
| 02:57.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | Oooh-arrr! |
| 02:57.27 | Bleeter | Dead Horse = sauce |
| 02:58.30 | Cairenn | didn't any of you watch Ocean's 11? |
| 02:58.43 | Cairenn | the electronics guy was cockney |
| 02:58.47 | Kirkburn|Vista | cladhaire, Skosiris (Wowhead admin) is often on #wowwiki if not on here |
| 02:58.53 | Cairenn | (supposed to be*) |
| 02:58.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hah |
| 02:59.05 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|Vista: aye, but tht would be just complaining =) |
| 02:59.12 | Cairenn | I qualified it Kirkburn|Vista :p |
| 02:59.20 | Tain | Ocean's 11 with Frank Sinatra, or George Clooney? |
| 02:59.27 | Cairenn | Clooney |
| 03:00.14 | Cairenn | he was constantly having to explain himself to the (dumb) Americans |
| 03:00.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Actualyl it wasn't that bad an accent, but it was a bit over-done |
| 03:00.22 | Tain | Stupid Americans. |
| 03:00.37 | Nom- | Kirkburn|Vista: I'd have to go with East Anglian accent then? |
| 03:00.39 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Vista: it was aimed at an American audience - 'nuff said |
| 03:00.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | heh |
| 03:00.48 | Bleeter | Kirkburn|Vista: ooo? aarrr! |
| 03:00.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | Daily Star |
| 03:01.07 | Tain | All I know is I just had some tasty Haagen Dazs. |
| 03:01.08 | Kirkburn|Vista | I said Ooh Aah Daily Star! |
| 03:01.21 | Cairenn | Tain: /drool |
| 03:01.33 | Cairenn | what flavour? |
| 03:01.44 | Thunder_Child | B&J had free cones today |
| 03:01.54 | Tain | Mint Chocolate Chip |
| 03:01.59 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm |
| 03:02.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nom-, not quite, tbh |
| 03:02.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hertfordshire is like Queen's english country :P |
| 03:02.45 | Bleeter | Kirkburn|Vista: but the Queen's a Kraut! :P |
| 03:02.50 | Nom- | Kirkburn|Vista: So you've got a snobbish accent? :( |
| 03:02.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | In Ocean's Twelve, I forget, did Eddie Izzard speak with an american accent? |
| 03:03.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nah, I just speak proper like |
| 03:03.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nein, ich nicht spreche leik zis |
| 03:03.46 | Tain | I missed out on free cones day. |
| 03:04.04 | Kirkburn|Vista | Did they just plop the ice cream in your upturned hands? |
| 03:04.16 | Tain | I plop into my own hands. |
| 03:04.24 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 03:04.30 | Tain | Also Eddie Izzard is good in The Riches. |
| 03:04.33 | Cairenn | that's working on the tmi |
| 03:04.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | Oh, god I so wasn't thinking that |
| 03:05.17 | zenzelezz | the "pikeys" in Snatch had a funky accent |
| 03:05.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kindergip (n=one@h24-207-52-155.dlt.dccnet.com) |
| 03:07.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | if you want to know a real London accent, you have to watch the soap, Eastenders |
| 03:07.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | Lol, pikeys ... yesteryear's chavs |
| 03:08.32 | Kirkburn|Vista | I may be out of touch, but I think emos may be outclassing chavs now |
| 03:09.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawbridgeworth |
| 03:09.19 | Kirkburn|Vista | Wrong link |
| 03:09.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ |
| 03:10.47 | zenzelezz | asbo? |
| 03:11.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Anti-Social Behaviour Order |
| 03:11.49 | Kirkburn|Vista | Popular amongst teens, but also been known to be handed out to grannies |
| 03:12.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/6560537.stm |
| 03:12.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:12.53 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:12.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | And here's where she got her ASBO - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/4556705.stm |
| 03:13.18 | zenzelezz | Judge Wodewick |
| 03:13.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | Iriel, hullo, I've been describing the delights of the UK :) |
| 03:13.46 | Thunder_Child | delights??...is that what you call it.... |
| 03:14.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | Naturally |
| 03:14.09 | Thunder_Child | the UK dictionary must be broken |
| 03:14.14 | Iriel | Any delights in particular, or all of them? |
| 03:15.00 | Kirkburn|Vista | As an avid reader of the Daily Mail, I know that everyone not British is out to get me, bad people should be hanged and immigration causes cancer |
| 03:15.01 | zenzelezz | Iriel: <Kirkburn|Vista> My characteristics include wrinkled stockings, curlers, and a domineering attitude towards my husband |
| 03:15.13 | zenzelezz | he's pretty much just talked about his clothes :-/ |
| 03:16.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Don't forget that I'm television's most famous broom-wielding siren |
| 03:16.41 | Iriel | HO? |
| 03:17.06 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm not sure how to take that |
| 03:17.12 | Iriel | Initials. |
| 03:17.21 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ah, no, NB actually |
| 03:17.28 | Iriel | Ahh, ok. |
| 03:17.37 | Kirkburn|Vista | Last of the Summer Wine |
| 03:18.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge PProvost (n=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost) |
| 03:18.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | Iriel, final clue, I'm on the right: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Bill_Owen,_Kathy_Staff.jpg/300px-Bill_Owen,_Kathy_Staff.jpg |
| 03:18.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | And don't you dare go Googling Kathy Staff |
| 03:19.03 | Iriel | I wouldn't have gotten it, but I would've known my first guess was wrong |
| 03:19.11 | Tain | That Google guy. He knows everything. |
| 03:19.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Who was HO? |
| 03:19.41 | Iriel | http://www.corrie.net/profiles/characters/ogden_hilda.html |
| 03:19.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ah, Corrie! |
| 03:20.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Well, it's close :P |
| 03:20.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | Btw, I can be called a limey, pommy, rosbif, rooinek, britisher, angrez, angrej, firang, john bull, tommy, brit, or redcoat |
| 03:21.42 | zenzelezz | you are known by many names |
| 03:21.55 | zenzelezz | there are those that call you...Tim? |
| 03:22.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | But only one will send me back to the 23rd dimension |
| 03:22.12 | Thunder_Child | gezer |
| 03:22.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes, zenzelezz, there are those who call me ..... Tim. |
| 03:24.11 | Kirkburn|Vista | I am an enchanter!some |
| 03:24.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | Bad keyboard! No! |
| 03:24.43 | Kirkburn|Vista | Making up sentences for me now |
| 03:24.47 | zenzelezz | I keep making myself want to watch all these movies :-| |
| 03:24.59 | zenzelezz | sharp pointy teeth :-K |
| 03:25.03 | Kirkburn|Vista | Why don't you satisfy these horrid urges? |
| 03:25.28 | Tain | Give in to your urges. |
| 03:25.32 | zenzelezz | bit early to wake the family yet |
| 03:26.07 | Kirkburn|Vista | That's no ordinary rabbit. |
| 03:26.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on. |
| 03:27.28 | Nom- | LOL |
| 03:27.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | Death awaits you all with nasty big pointy teeth. |
| 03:27.33 | Nom- | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/03/25/0017259.shtml?tid=222 |
| 03:27.49 | Nom- | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/04/17/017220.shtml |
| 03:28.03 | Tain | Sleep, those little slices of death, how I loathe them. |
| 03:28.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | Nom-, ooh, I saw another thing like that recently ... it has a little helpcopter on top that flies around your room so you have to get up and fetch it to shut it up. |
| 03:28.56 | zenzelezz | helpcopter? |
| 03:29.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes |
| 03:29.12 | Kirkburn|Vista | You know we spell things diff'rently here |
| 03:29.38 | Kirkburn|Vista | Some fings our moor diff'rent dan uffers |
| 03:32.05 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvNGnkY_S6I&NR=1 |
| 03:32.10 | Nom- | video of one going nuts |
| 03:36.22 | Nom- | I think that'd drive me nuts |
| 03:36.47 | Nom- | Not to mention the fact that there's so many boxes of crap in my room, that it'd only get about 1m in any direction lol |
| 03:37.24 | cladhaire | I just uploaded a new LightHeaded with updated comments. It now integrates directly with TomTom, so you can click on a coordinate hyperlink and it will add it to your minimap. Please report any issues, since I needed to re-parse and the format changes a bit. |
| 03:42.08 | cladhaire | okay.. going to bed |
| 03:42.10 | cladhaire | night all |
| 03:42.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm off too |
| 03:42.19 | Kirkburn|Vista | Night clad |
| 03:42.22 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, Kirkburn|Vista |
| 03:42.27 | clad|sleep | night Cairenn |
| 03:42.31 | clad|sleep | so much pinging going on :P |
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| 03:42.40 | Kirkburn|Vista | Switching to my lovely quiet laptop |
| 03:43.30 | Nom- | Isn't it like 4am there? |
| 03:43.49 | JoshBorke | that's why he's going quiet |
| 03:44.07 | Nom- | CTCP TIME reply from Kirkburn|afk: Wed Apr 18 04:43:51 |
| 03:44.10 | Nom- | :O |
| 03:44.30 | Kirkburn|afk | <-- student |
| 03:45.22 | Iriel | My laptop's lovely and quiet too until I start wow then the fans kick in |
| 03:46.51 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 03:48.19 | raevanmorlock | If I have a function with an undeterminate number of paramaters [function(...)], how can I loop through them? |
| 03:49.01 | Iriel | You can use select('#',...) to find out how many there are |
| 03:49.19 | Iriel | You can use { ... } to build an array of them, or you can use (select(i, ...)) to get the i'th one |
| 03:50.41 | raevanmorlock | thank ya |
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| 04:11.17 | Eternally777 | A few months ago Cladhaire created a thread on the "UI & Macros Forum" regarding Lua's GC system. Anyone know where it disappeared to? I thought it was stickied for awhile... |
| 04:15.10 | Iriel | Hm, perhaps he put it on the wiki too? |
| 04:15.16 | Iriel | Otherwise see if google is your friend? |
| 04:22.23 | clad|sleep | its posted under Draoi |
| 04:22.27 | Eternally777 | Found it. He posted it on an alt, so it was a little more difficult to find when searching for "Cladhaire". I would've tried Google had I remembered the thread title, or at least some text in it. |
| 04:22.29 | clad|sleep | a quick search should bring it up |
| 04:23.00 | Cairenn | lol, clad|sleep - you're as bad as I am! |
| 04:23.33 | Eternally777 | You made a reference to a post that referred to your thread on Cladhaire, so I eventually found it. :-) |
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| 04:23.55 | VoidFish | Howdy all :) |
| 04:23.59 | clad|sleep | Cairenn: I'm on call, i wish i could be sleeping =/ |
| 04:24.10 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 04:24.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.28 | clad|sleep | obnoxious issues too this week |
| 04:24.29 | clad|sleep | already |
| 04:25.14 | Cairenn | bleh =/ |
| 04:30.21 | Tem | in the alpha channel of a targa |
| 04:30.30 | Tem | black is opaque, which is transparent? |
| 04:30.40 | Corrodias | i'd assume white |
| 04:30.42 | Tem | er |
| 04:30.55 | Tem | that "which" is supposed to be "white" |
| 04:31.01 | Tem | black is opaque, white is transparent? |
| 04:31.26 | Corrodias | what's the question? |
| 04:31.42 | Corrodias | oh, you're asking if that is true |
| 04:31.42 | Tem | do I have them right? |
| 04:31.44 | Corrodias | i really don't know |
| 04:31.44 | VoidRaider | Cair can you confirm a mod for me "SpellTimers" ? |
| 04:38.13 | VoidRaider | Is it possible to delete a mod that I abandon in WoWInterfce ? |
| 04:38.20 | raevanmorlock | Tem: if you're still wondering.. white is opaque |
| 04:38.31 | Tem | thanks |
| 04:41.27 | Tem | sigh |
| 04:41.30 | Tem | I hate textures in wow |
| 04:41.37 | Tem | they *never* work the first time for me |
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| 04:42.23 | VoidRaider | What you guys think of this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7083-SpellTimers.html ? |
| 04:44.36 | VoidRaider | Yeah Tem, you need to exit WoW for them to load :| |
| 04:44.44 | Tem | that's not my problem |
| 04:45.15 | Tem | for starters, it looks like PS isn't saving my alpha channel |
| 04:45.22 | VoidRaider | oh :P |
| 04:45.29 | Tem | (yes I clicked the checkbox that says "save alpha channel" |
| 04:45.37 | VoidRaider | Haha :P |
| 04:45.38 | Tem | secondly, wow won't load it at all |
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| 04:46.20 | raevanmorlock | What channels do you have? There should be an RGB, Red, Green, Blue, and Alpha 1 |
| 04:47.38 | raevanmorlock | And make sure you save as 32-bit |
| 04:47.51 | Depherios | TGA? -- I save as 24 all the time O_o |
| 04:48.02 | raevanmorlock | You need 32 for an alpha channel |
| 04:48.10 | Depherios | really? hmm I must've gotten lucky |
| 04:48.21 | Depherios | and never saved as 24 with an image with an alpha channel |
| 04:49.22 | raevanmorlock | probably |
| 04:49.43 | Tem | oh, that's what the problem is |
| 04:50.04 | raevanmorlock | you were sayin as 24-bit? |
| 04:50.09 | raevanmorlock | savin* |
| 04:50.12 | Nom- | I wonder if there's such a thing as too much Orange Juice :) |
| 04:50.18 | Tem | I was saving it as 24-bit |
| 04:50.18 | Iriel | Nom - yes |
| 04:50.37 | Iriel | Nom- It gets all sour and nasty in your stomach and has, err, unpleasant effects |
| 04:50.50 | Nom- | heh |
| 04:50.51 | Depherios | can a 24 bit have TOTAL transparency? most the images I've worked with are either completely solid, or completely transparent... pixpainted black/white alpha channel... |
| 04:50.56 | Nom- | i onyl have 500ml a day :) |
| 04:51.06 | Iriel | a 24 bit TGA is generally entirely opaque |
| 04:51.10 | Tem | Nom-, ask that question again when you have diarrhea |
| 04:51.13 | Iriel | i.e. it's RGB not RGBA |
| 04:51.18 | Depherios | Wow... I've just gotten lucky then |
| 04:51.22 | Nom- | I've been having it religously for the last few days, it's so nice :) |
| 04:51.35 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. it's 8 bits per channel. So to have any transparency, it has to be 32-bit |
| 04:51.48 | Tem | I hope now that I've saved it as 32bit, wow will acknowledge it |
| 04:52.59 | Tem | I don't need my graphic file in my toc do I? |
| 04:53.08 | Iriel | No |
| 04:53.15 | Iriel | Just present in the directory on wow start |
| 04:53.18 | Tem | I'm doing something really strange |
| 04:53.28 | Tem | I cant make a texture accept it |
| 04:53.41 | Iriel | Check your paths? |
| 04:54.05 | Tem | :SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\Gatekeeper\\skin") |
| 04:54.23 | Depherios | is it a properly squared square? |
| 04:54.28 | Tem | ah, that's it |
| 04:54.44 | Depherios | that always trips me up |
| 04:54.45 | Tem | I forgot wow textures must be powers of 2 |
| 04:54.58 | raevanmorlock | Yup |
| 04:55.08 | raevanmorlock | Stupid WoW :\ |
| 04:55.49 | Tem | does it need to be square or just powers of 2? |
| 04:55.58 | Depherios | squared square |
| 04:56.04 | Depherios | well no |
| 04:56.08 | Depherios | it can be a rectangle |
| 04:56.18 | Depherios | I just like saying squared square |
| 04:56.47 | Tem | I bet you do |
| 04:57.07 | Depherios | and I've had weird problems with rectangles, so I try to stick with square textures when I can... but that's probably my video card, and working with images with a dimension larger than 256 |
| 04:57.21 | Iriel | Indeed, rectangles work just fine |
| 04:57.34 | Tem | this particular texture is 1024x256 |
| 04:57.40 | Iriel | That may be too big |
| 04:57.41 | Depherios | that probably won't work |
| 04:57.46 | Depherios | unless you have a very good video card |
| 04:57.47 | Iriel | there's an upper bound on size |
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| 04:57.56 | Tem | doesn't it accept anything under 1024? |
| 04:58.04 | JunkHead-Work | Morning. |
| 04:58.16 | Depherios | mine will only do 512, some peoples are apparently 256, since Blizz uses no textures larger than that |
| 04:58.19 | Iriel | You may need to go with 2 x 512 x 216 |
| 04:58.20 | clad|sleep | i think 512x512 is the biggest |
| 04:58.22 | clad|sleep | actually |
| 04:58.23 | Iriel | x 256, even |
| 04:58.38 | Iriel | I suspect 256 x 256 is the 'safest' bet for most people |
| 04:58.47 | Tem | well, it's complely overkill for it to be 1024 anyway |
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| 04:58.58 | Tem | the width is actually only 520isn |
| 04:59.05 | Tem | s/isn/ish/ |
| 04:59.49 | VoidFish | Damn power down :P |
| 04:59.50 | Tem | is there an easy way to split a psp into 2 files? |
| 04:59.53 | VoidFish | damn this nick haha |
| 05:00.15 | raevanmorlock | A psp? |
| 05:00.22 | Tem | psd |
| 05:00.38 | Depherios | I just use canvas size, too lazy to drop it into imageready and slice it |
| 05:00.48 | Tem | (like so that the psd stays as one, but I can save it into 2 seperate tgas) |
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| 05:00.58 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. you can slice it... but for 2-3 images, I'd just use the crop tool |
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| 05:01.04 | raevanmorlock | maybe make a grid to help guide you |
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| 05:01.39 | raevanmorlock | crop, save as, undo, crop, save as, .. |
| 05:02.07 | Depherios | Yeah, to make sure I get it right, I just change the canvas size |
| 05:02.33 | Depherios | (there I go pressing escape to stop talking like I can in wow, to close the IRC window again T_T) |
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| 05:03.47 | raevanmorlock | All rise for the honorable Judge Constance Harm |
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| 05:13.34 | Tem | oh what the hell |
| 05:13.38 | Tem | my drop shadows are white |
| 05:14.12 | Tem | oh for crying out loud |
| 05:14.26 | Tem | I merged that layer because I'm an idiot |
| 05:15.11 | Tem | hmm |
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| 05:17.34 | VoidRaider | Damn WoW europe forums, the login never work :P |
| 05:17.52 | ckknight | Iriel: know if there's any way to rotate textures without bleeding yet? I asked for it but was never responded to |
| 05:18.22 | Iriel | Nope, I dont imagine we'll get it unless DirectX and OpenGL have that built in at a low level (and I have no idea if they do) |
| 05:19.14 | Tem | okay, now this I just plain don't understand |
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| 05:19.32 | ckknight | Iriel: ah, so that's where it happens, then |
| 05:19.37 | JunkHead-Work | So what's going on guys? |
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| 05:20.41 | JunkHead-Work | Grr... brb |
| 05:21.00 | Iriel | ckknight: Well, the current rotation is just a trick with how texture coordinates work |
| 05:21.19 | ckknight | yea... |
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| 05:23.16 | VoidRaider | Is there an addon that binds the keys directly to the spell ? |
| 05:24.25 | VoidRaider | Like making bindings for all of the spells available in the spellbook ... |
| 05:25.03 | ckknight | http://ace.pastey.net/13560 |
| 05:26.24 | raevanmorlock | Dooby Dooby Doo.. Beware of the penguins! |
| 05:32.49 | chuckg | VoidRaider, I think I just saw one on the Ace forums called SpellBinder. |
| 05:32.59 | chuckg | Though I think Bongos allows you to do it as well. |
| 05:33.54 | VoidRaider | Ah thanks mate :) |
| 05:34.43 | Tem | http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1016/wtfwhitedropshadowsmp2.png |
| 05:34.54 | VoidRaider | Awesome :D |
| 05:35.33 | raevanmorlock | That's a neat image, Tem. What's it for? |
| 05:35.37 | Tem | http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8545/skinwy7.png |
| 05:35.43 | Tem | that's what it's suposed to look like |
| 05:36.00 | Tem | I can't figure out why wow is making the shadows white |
| 05:36.08 | Depherios | your alpha shadow isn't black |
| 05:36.10 | Depherios | in the image |
| 05:36.21 | Tem | but it is |
| 05:36.28 | Tem | look at the png of the file |
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| 05:36.34 | Depherios | *sigh* |
| 05:36.41 | Depherios | I always do that anymore :P |
| 05:36.41 | Tem | lol @ escape button |
| 05:37.09 | Depherios | I have a lot of false starts when I type, drives people in IMs nuts, as they can see I start, stop, start, stop |
| 05:37.24 | Depherios | what blend mode are you using though? |
| 05:37.26 | Iriel | The problem is you antialiased your shadow onto a white background |
| 05:37.31 | Iriel | so your shadow is actually grey |
| 05:37.33 | Depherios | yah |
| 05:37.41 | Depherios | just make that whole part of the image solid black |
| 05:37.51 | Depherios | and the alpha channel will do the rest |
| 05:38.04 | Depherios | Iriel said it smarter than me XD |
| 05:38.18 | Iriel | I misused 'antialised' where I should've used 'blended' |
| 05:38.37 | VoidRaider | Haha :P |
| 05:38.42 | raevanmorlock | The important thing is that it sounded smart |
| 05:38.42 | Depherios | still you came at it from the right angle |
| 05:38.57 | Iriel | I'm constantly amazed how badly many 'proper' tools screw up alphas |
| 05:39.22 | Tem | yep, that did it |
| 05:39.27 | Tem | thanks |
| 05:39.49 | Tem | as for what it's for... |
| 05:40.20 | Iriel | I saw the thread, if it's for what I think it's for |
| 05:41.09 | Depherios | It looks beautiful though Tem |
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| 05:41.42 | Tem | Iriel, you're right |
| 05:41.44 | VoidRaider | Yeah it does actually, but what is it for anyway ? :D |
| 05:41.47 | Tem | Iriel, I couldn't resist |
| 05:42.02 | Tem | Bela did the hard work |
| 05:42.05 | Tem | he made the key |
| 05:42.28 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94201826&sid=1 |
| 05:43.23 | VoidRaider | Nice idea! :p |
| 05:44.23 | raevanmorlock | That's interesting |
| 05:44.52 | VoidRaider | Yeah, the most creative idea I seen for WoW :P |
| 05:45.10 | VoidRaider | Dunno why, but it sounds good :) |
| 05:45.52 | Tem | it's more or less useless for me, but I'm enjoying the project |
| 05:47.38 | VoidRaider | Yeah still nice idea, however.. Hmm how do you plan to block the interface ? |
| 05:49.58 | raevanmorlock | Does WoW need a restart after adding an .xml file to an addon? |
| 05:50.11 | VoidRaider | to the Toc yeah :P |
| 05:50.59 | VoidRaider | Well I mean say you went AFK and you logged to the character screen, will it block your input then ? just out of curiosity :) |
| 05:51.59 | raevanmorlock | That's a good point--Addons don't work from that screen |
| 05:52.50 | raevanmorlock | I guess if the guy is gone that long then he deserves to have his char die :) |
| 05:52.58 | VoidRaider | hahah :D |
| 05:53.41 | VoidRaider | Yeah but still nice when you have kids, friends and such and you don't want them to play :P |
| 05:53.45 | raevanmorlock | Maybe what ya could do is store the state in a saved var.. so if it logs out without "unlocking" then it'll relock itself as soon as you log back in |
| 05:54.04 | VoidRaider | Yeah nice Idea :P |
| 05:54.17 | VoidRaider | The problem they can actually disable the addon :P |
| 05:54.25 | raevanmorlock | But they'd have full control on the char select screen.. they could add new chars, or delete yours :( |
| 05:54.34 | raevanmorlock | Or that.. ha |
| 05:55.42 | VoidRaider | You can make an Open GL application and Addon that work together but blah I guess it's too much work :P |
| 05:55.46 | raevanmorlock | "Tip: Bring your friends to Azeroth but don't forget to go outside Azeroth with them as well." -- Do they mean to the Outland? :) |
| 05:56.05 | VoidRaider | Haha :P |
| 05:56.40 | VoidRaider | Outland is new mate, they still want gamers to buy the expansion haha |
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| 05:59.25 | raevanmorlock | Notepad++'s File in File search is annoying the hell out of me |
| 05:59.41 | VoidRaider | Use Visual Studio :P |
| 06:01.01 | raevanmorlock | Does that work for Lua files? |
| 06:01.07 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 06:01.28 | VoidRaider | You have a plugin for LUA |
| 06:01.39 | raevanmorlock | That's neat |
| 06:02.04 | raevanmorlock | I'll have to look into that later |
| 06:02.52 | pastamancer | is that something like grep? |
| 06:03.02 | VoidRaider | The thing is that you have the Solution Explorer window, and it's easier to browse the files and such :) |
| 06:04.56 | VoidRaider | A search utility iirc |
| 06:05.58 | pastamancer | search for lines matching a regex in an arbitrarialy large number of files |
| 06:06.28 | raevanmorlock | Yup.. just like that |
| 06:06.31 | VoidRaider | Well you can also use Total Commander for that :P |
| 06:06.50 | pastamancer | with emacs's grep-mode, you can browse the output of grep and hit enter to jump to that line in the particular file, opening it as necessary |
| 06:07.02 | Cairenn|afk | night all |
| 06:07.06 | VoidRaider | Night :) |
| 06:08.04 | Depherios | G'night |
| 06:10.03 | raevanmorlock | night |
| 06:10.57 | raevanmorlock | pastamancer: They pretty much all work that way. Notepad++ is pissing me off though 'cause it always defaults to its installation directory so I constantly have to redirct it to WoW's data directory |
| 06:11.16 | pastamancer | oh, that's silly |
| 06:12.11 | pastamancer | it should default to the directory the file you're currently editing is in, just like the rest of the world |
| 06:12.50 | pastamancer | I'm sure there should be a way to change that. It seems to common-sensical |
| 06:13.10 | raevanmorlock | I hate that too because the files I'm working on aren't in the same path as the ones I want to search |
| 06:13.31 | Depherios | odd... |
| 06:13.38 | Depherios | my notepad++ defaults to my working directory |
| 06:13.42 | Depherios | of the file I have selected |
| 06:14.23 | raevanmorlock | Maybe mine is sped |
| 06:18.08 | raevanmorlock | Kind of like my MoneyFrame_Update() function is being sped! |
| 06:31.44 | clad|sleep | night all, for serious. |
| 06:34.03 | ckknight | are you serial? |
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| 06:39.16 | ckknight | freaky bug: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96074800&sid=1 |
| 07:05.24 | Iriel | Sleepytime.. gnight |
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| 07:31.36 | AnduinLothar | anyone have the mac ptr patch? it's not dling |
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| 07:36.23 | Elkano | any wowwiki admins online? |
| 07:38.27 | Bleeter | they're prolly in #wowwiki |
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| 07:46.55 | AnduinLothar | ok.. the patcher getting stuck at 99% is really bugging me |
| 07:47.11 | JunkHead-Work | Mine stayed at 99% today too for a while. |
| 07:47.24 | JunkHead-Work | Took it about 7-8 minutes to get to 100%. |
| 07:47.40 | AnduinLothar | dont spose you have the mac patch, neh? |
| 07:47.46 | JunkHead-Work | Nope. |
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| 07:49.28 | ckknight | I do, AnduinLothar |
| 07:49.40 | AnduinLothar | can you host or dcc it? |
| 07:49.50 | ckknight | DCC might work, possibly |
| 07:52.27 | AnduinLothar | not working? |
| 07:52.53 | Nom- | You're really unsure, aren't you? |
| 07:52.56 | ckknight | what, Nom-? |
| 07:53.09 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: hrm |
| 07:53.12 | Nom- | 'might work' 'possibly' in the same sentence :P |
| 07:54.20 | AnduinLothar | it's nto transfering, try again |
| 08:00.14 | Industrial | 1 hour til EU realms are up |
| 08:01.36 | Industrial | cant they just do mainenance, but not every server at the same time? |
| 08:01.36 | Industrial | How can maintenence take all night for 1 server? :P |
| 08:02.05 | Tem | Anyone around really good with graphics? |
| 08:02.18 | Tem | I need a button graphic |
| 08:02.39 | Tem | (normal highlight and pushed) |
| 08:03.03 | Industrial | best i do is silly ms paint mockups of an interface |
| 08:03.06 | Industrial | ;D |
| 08:03.42 | Tem | hehe |
| 08:03.58 | AnduinLothar | i could but i'd need some strong motivation |
| 08:04.04 | [Ammo] | ask Mikk |
| 08:04.06 | [Ammo] | he can do graphics |
| 08:04.13 | [Ammo] | and is willing to as well usually |
| 08:04.29 | [Ammo] | although it's hard to catch him often |
| 08:04.43 | Tem | fine, I'll just ask bela tomrrow |
| 08:04.46 | Tem | tomorrow |
| 08:05.25 | Industrial | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1185/interface003070221as6.png |
| 08:05.46 | Industrial | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/143/unitframes002070322bs9.png |
| 08:05.48 | Industrial | heh :P |
| 08:06.47 | Industrial | too bad you can never get pixels at 1:1 in wow :( always blurs out |
| 08:06.57 | Tem | AnduinLothar, can you send me a screenshot of one of those blue mac buttons? |
| 08:07.13 | Tem | I need to see it in pushed and highlighted mode |
| 08:08.50 | AnduinLothar | the grey ones you mean? |
| 08:08.55 | AnduinLothar | blue was 10.2 |
| 08:09.06 | Tem | I need a blue one |
| 08:09.15 | Tem | do they not have blue buttons anymore? |
| 08:09.20 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 08:09.23 | Tem | bollucks |
| 08:09.33 | AnduinLothar | i have a few skins tho |
| 08:09.54 | Tem | u gief? |
| 08:09.58 | [Ammo] | Tem: you could check the KDE icons |
| 08:10.01 | [Ammo] | they have a blue mac theme |
| 08:10.11 | Tem | ooh, thanks |
| 08:10.12 | [Ammo] | and you can probably use the graphics from it |
| 08:10.24 | Tem | only... I don't have anything to load it up on |
| 08:10.24 | [Ammo] | since it's some form of open source license |
| 08:10.36 | [Ammo] | you don't need to load it up |
| 08:10.40 | [Ammo] | you can just download KDE |
| 08:10.45 | [Ammo] | and browse the graphics dir |
| 08:10.51 | Tem | oh |
| 08:10.59 | [Ammo] | it's how we get most of the graphics for our CMS |
| 08:11.04 | [Ammo] | you're free to use em in GPL software |
| 08:11.42 | AnduinLothar | besides the default mac buttons pulse and aren't a static image |
| 08:11.50 | [Ammo] | maybe you need some theme download but I know maclike buttons are available in KDE |
| 08:15.06 | Tem | screw it, I'm gonna fool with that tommorrow |
| 08:15.15 | Tem | eye strain headache coming on |
| 08:19.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sTw`Insa (n=ins@94.74-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:23.05 | AnduinLothar | erg, why oh why am i hearing ace propaganda out of user's mounth's.. that's so discouraging |
| 08:24.33 | AnduinLothar | I really don't want to hear unsupported generalizations about how some user thinks no one uses addonX because it uses too much memory and doesn't have features that fubar does... |
| 08:26.02 | AnduinLothar | ckknight: is "deuce commander" a lib of yours? |
| 08:26.11 | ckknight | no, it's an addon |
| 08:26.17 | AnduinLothar | by whom? |
| 08:26.21 | ckknight | Tekkub? |
| 08:26.25 | AnduinLothar | i cant find a home page |
| 08:26.36 | ckknight | probably not |
| 08:26.41 | ckknight | probably just a forum post on wowace |
| 08:27.24 | ckknight | but basically it's a full config system made in Dewdrop |
| 08:27.29 | ckknight | there's also Niagara |
| 08:27.33 | ckknight | which uses Waterfall |
| 08:27.34 | ckknight | but same concept |
| 08:27.42 | AnduinLothar | i heard that too, i can't find docs or ss's of either |
| 08:27.45 | Tem | it's Kaos for Ace, Anduin |
| 08:28.00 | Tem | Khaos* |
| 08:28.07 | Tem | or however it is you spell it |
| 08:28.31 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: there's forum posts showing screenshots |
| 08:28.39 | Tem | I'm pretty sure there's a wiki page too |
| 08:28.45 | ckknight | yea, quite possible. |
| 08:28.51 | AnduinLothar | cant find it |
| 08:28.56 | Tem | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Niagara |
| 08:29.18 | AnduinLothar | is there some significant difference from Khaos other than that it uses ace? |
| 08:29.30 | Tem | it has less features than Khaos |
| 08:29.42 | Tem | which may or may not be a good thing |
| 08:30.56 | AnduinLothar | why would someone say it has more features than Khaos? |
| 08:31.34 | Industrial | cur their dum |
| 08:31.36 | Industrial | cus* |
| 08:31.51 | ckknight | ur dum |
| 08:31.54 | Industrial | no uy |
| 08:32.01 | ckknight | lol wut |
| 08:32.06 | Industrial | NO U |
| 08:32.11 | ckknight | srsly. |
| 08:32.16 | Industrial | fosho. |
| 08:32.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah so i'm basically getting feedback that 'no one' uses khaos because there's an ace equivalent with less features... |
| 08:32.27 | SunTiger | i'm pretty sure chaos has more features |
| 08:32.42 | AnduinLothar | that is somehow 'better' |
| 08:32.45 | SunTiger | its nothingmore then a different way to parse the same tables we were using for fubar and command line stuff for ages. |
| 08:33.01 | SunTiger | its fancy, but people are once again making it way more then it is. |
| 08:33.33 | Industrial | was wow more fun in 2005? |
| 08:33.40 | Industrial | wowace was :P |
| 08:33.49 | SunTiger | huh ? |
| 08:34.21 | Tem | I'm so sick of the fanboism |
| 08:34.32 | SunTiger | ah that shut |
| 08:34.35 | SunTiger | shit* |
| 08:34.36 | ckknight | I kinda want to play WAR |
| 08:34.46 | SunTiger | yeah , i'd like the fanbois to magically disapear |
| 08:35.01 | SunTiger | they were annoying when they were hating ace, now that they like ace its even worse. |
| 08:35.02 | ckknight | I want them all to send me money first |
| 08:35.04 | ckknight | then disappear |
| 08:35.14 | Industrial | haha |
| 08:36.12 | SunTiger | and yeah i want war too |
| 08:36.17 | SunTiger | games balanced around pvp ftw. |
| 08:37.36 | [Ammo] | I miss the old emlenMUDs :p |
| 08:37.51 | SunTiger | muds are so 1900 |
| 08:37.53 | [Ammo] | textmode pvp with true equipment loss |
| 08:37.54 | ckknight | totally, SunTiger |
| 08:37.55 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 08:38.01 | [Ammo] | they give more adrenaline rush than anything |
| 08:38.05 | [Ammo] | gear you've worked on for weeks |
| 08:38.08 | [Ammo] | can be gone in 10 seconds |
| 08:38.24 | SunTiger | see, i personally don't find that fun. |
| 08:38.35 | SunTiger | mostly frustrating. |
| 08:38.47 | [Ammo] | penaltyless(sp) pvp in WoW is kinda useless |
| 08:38.59 | SunTiger | different type of pvp |
| 08:39.19 | SunTiger | wow pvp includes you deing a LOT. |
| 08:39.19 | SunTiger | even it had gear penalties nobody would play |
| 08:39.21 | Tem|Sleep | night, bitches |
| 08:39.25 | SunTiger | night |
| 08:39.39 | SunTiger | no warsong, no eye of the storm, no av |
| 08:41.10 | SunTiger | and the only pvp would be ganking |
| 08:41.10 | SunTiger | have fun! |
| 08:41.10 | [Ammo] | there is no pvp in wow :p |
| 08:51.10 | Depherios | I know I'm late, but the only thing Niagara really has going for it, is the fact that more things natively support it, since it's just nabbed from the slash commands, right? |
| 08:52.12 | SunTiger | yes |
| 08:52.26 | Depherios | I mean, anymore :P the only addons I have that use Khaos, are stuff either Anduin made, or are part of the Auctioneer Suite T_T |
| 08:52.55 | AnduinLothar | so i need to bribe some developers? |
| 08:52.57 | SunTiger | if it uses acecmd tables niagara can pretty much translate it into gui |
| 08:53.02 | SunTiger | AnduinLothar, i guess. |
| 08:53.37 | Depherios | well Niagara requires nothing extra. It's just recursing the slash commands. and since most Ace addons use the native Ace system, it's automatically done for them |
| 08:53.46 | AnduinLothar | Khaos can generate slashcommands that correlate with the gui... |
| 08:53.57 | kergoth | i like the idea of having a fairly generic somewhat presentation independent data format. aceoptions is probably the closest we have now, but i'd like to see a consensus on a format amongst most addons, not ace specific |
| 08:54.02 | Depherios | Personally I like Khaos, it's SMART |
| 08:54.23 | [Ammo] | I'm with kergoth |
| 08:54.38 | Depherios | I miss having many of my addons use it, it's quick to profile with :P -- Ace, I have to manually change each addon's profile to be class specific or whatever |
| 08:54.58 | AnduinLothar | but if i make a standalone embeddable slashcommand lib... no one's gonna use it |
| 08:55.04 | Depherios | nope... :P |
| 08:55.06 | SunTiger | ace2 was not designed with suite workings in mind |
| 08:55.08 | SunTiger | khaos was |
| 08:55.11 | Depherios | yeah |
| 08:55.42 | kergoth | its the dataformat thats important, not the implementation. design a good clean format and people will write all sorts of interfaces to it that fit whatever libs / style they prefer. |
| 08:56.11 | Depherios | Yah |
| 08:56.45 | Depherios | AFAIK Niagara is just a lucky chance right? -- turned out the slash command system could be displayed visually? |
| 08:56.53 | [Ammo] | not lucky Depherios |
| 08:56.55 | kergoth | no |
| 08:57.04 | SunTiger | nobody simply went i made the system before niagara |
| 08:57.06 | kergoth | aceoptions was created to be independent of the interface |
| 08:57.07 | Depherios | Ah. just took awhile to get around to making Waterfall? |
| 08:57.11 | [Ammo] | it uses the aceoptions table and like kergoth said 2 lines up, translates it to an interface |
| 08:57.15 | [Ammo] | Depherios: indeed |
| 08:58.04 | [Ammo] | Niagara just works like DeuceCommander it gets all the options tables and injects them into a single waterfall |
| 08:58.15 | [Ammo] | with categorization |
| 08:58.30 | kergoth | aceoptions isnt a bad format for the data, but its grown via feature creep, and a new format thats designed to encompass everything from the start, and which more than just a couple ace folks agree on, would be better yet |
| 08:58.41 | AnduinLothar | sounds liek what i need to do is just make a Khaos plugin that converts from AceOptions data table and registers Khaos options |
| 08:58.52 | [Ammo] | AnduinLothar: that would work |
| 08:58.55 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: thatd be neat. |
| 08:59.05 | Depherios | ooh |
| 08:59.27 | SunTiger | a aceoptions 2.1 or whatever version would be easely made when a design can be agreed upon. |
| 08:59.41 | AnduinLothar | anyone have a good readable example of an AceOptions data table |
| 08:59.52 | [Ammo] | the format is well documented on the wowace wiki |
| 08:59.58 | kergoth | http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=AceOptions_data_table has a bunch of examples of different types of things you can do |
| 09:00.07 | AnduinLothar | i see the format i need an example of usage int he wild |
| 09:00.18 | [Ammo] | grab any ace addon from the svn |
| 09:00.27 | AnduinLothar | suggestion? |
| 09:00.51 | [Ammo] | depends on what options you want |
| 09:00.54 | Tem|Sleep | DONT grab agUF |
| 09:00.58 | [Ammo] | WitchHunt has an easy data table |
| 09:01.00 | AnduinLothar | as many as possible |
| 09:01.05 | [Ammo] | if you want many |
| 09:01.14 | [Ammo] | then hmm |
| 09:01.17 | SunTiger | grab something is is not dynamically generated |
| 09:01.17 | Tem|Sleep | agUF does dirty dirty things to the aceoptions table |
| 09:01.23 | Depherios | dunno if PitBull is arranged well |
| 09:01.27 | Depherios | but it has a bloody lot of options |
| 09:01.29 | [Ammo] | pitbull is evil too |
| 09:01.34 | Tem|Sleep | yeah, I wouldn't look at BW either |
| 09:01.35 | Depherios | I figured it would be |
| 09:01.40 | [Ammo] | and don't do bigwigs |
| 09:01.46 | [Ammo] | since it's generated from the modules |
| 09:01.54 | Depherios | Bartender? |
| 09:02.02 | Tem|Sleep | that's generated too |
| 09:02.05 | Depherios | gah |
| 09:02.06 | kergoth | witchhunt is a good simple example. kenergy's is pretty simple too, showing a few of the types |
| 09:02.16 | SunTiger | yeah |
| 09:02.24 | Depherios | nothing is ever simple anymore T_T |
| 09:02.28 | SunTiger | i would suggest mendeleev |
| 09:02.36 | SunTiger | but its dynamically generated |
| 09:02.48 | Depherios | Mendeleev doesn't have many different types either does it? just enable/disable? |
| 09:02.51 | Tem|Sleep | okay, really, I've gotta go to bed before my eyes fall out |
| 09:02.51 | AnduinLothar | well i could use Fir to view it in game |
| 09:02.53 | Tem|Sleep | later guys |
| 09:02.56 | AnduinLothar | Fire* |
| 09:03.10 | SunTiger | yep enable disable |
| 09:03.16 | [Ammo] | but it won't show you the functions attached will it |
| 09:03.19 | AnduinLothar | what's the table var in WitchHunt? |
| 09:03.20 | Depherios | MrPlow has a lot of different configurations |
| 09:03.27 | [Ammo] | just check the sourcecode anduin |
| 09:03.37 | AnduinLothar | i have it open >.< |
| 09:03.52 | [Ammo] | starts at line 132 |
| 09:04.30 | [Ammo] | ingame it's /wh for the console |
| 09:04.35 | AnduinLothar | ["Toggle locking of the WitchHunt frame."] = "切æ›éŽ–定 WitchHunt 框架。", |
| 09:04.41 | AnduinLothar | is line 132 |
| 09:04.44 | [Ammo] | oh hmm |
| 09:04.50 | [Ammo] | well search for local consoleoptions = |
| 09:04.58 | AnduinLothar | 190 |
| 09:05.04 | [Ammo] | line 190 |
| 09:05.05 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:05.06 | AnduinLothar | kthx |
| 09:05.10 | [Ammo] | my svn wasn't up to date |
| 09:05.31 | AnduinLothar | looks very similar to khaos regs |
| 09:05.38 | [Ammo] | this is the most simple form |
| 09:05.42 | [Ammo] | without any handlers or passvalues etc |
| 09:06.46 | SunTiger | and yeah, the basic idea behind it is not a whole lot different then khaos regs. |
| 09:07.22 | AnduinLothar | dropdown might be problematic getting the paradigms to match |
| 09:07.35 | AnduinLothar | but the others all look simple enough |
| 09:07.54 | [Ammo] | a dropdown is a simple select? |
| 09:08.04 | [Ammo] | that's a "text" option with a validate list |
| 09:08.07 | [Ammo] | in aceoptions |
| 09:08.16 | AnduinLothar | there's a few modes in Khaos |
| 09:08.25 | AnduinLothar | multi-select or single select |
| 09:08.32 | [Ammo] | multi-select can be done as well |
| 09:08.36 | [Ammo] | it was added recently |
| 09:08.40 | [Ammo] | on request by Clad |
| 09:08.41 | [Ammo] | I think |
| 09:08.44 | [Ammo] | but not sure |
| 09:08.49 | SunTiger | check the logs |
| 09:08.54 | SunTiger | might have in in the svn logs. |
| 09:09.03 | [Ammo] | it should be in the wiki docs |
| 09:09.12 | AnduinLothar | how are the optiosn registered? |
| 09:09.14 | AnduinLothar | or stored |
| 09:09.42 | AnduinLothar | i jsut see it store into the global WH_Options |
| 09:11.06 | [Ammo] | they are registered into aceconsole |
| 09:11.21 | AnduinLothar | WitchHunt = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("AceEvent-2.0", "AceDB-2.0", "AceConsole-2.0") ? |
| 09:11.30 | kergoth | WitchHunt:RegisterChatCommand( { "/wh", "/witchhunt" }, consoleoptions ) |
| 09:11.34 | [Ammo] | WitchHunt:RegisterChatCommand( { "/wh", "/witchhunt" }, consoleoptions ) |
| 09:11.43 | AnduinLothar | i dont see where WH_Options is refrenced |
| 09:11.51 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 09:11.55 | [Ammo] | AceConsole handles that |
| 09:11.56 | AnduinLothar | it's jsut a global alias |
| 09:11.58 | kergoth | aceconsole-2.0 is a mixin, its methods are embedded into the witchhunt object, one of which is RegisterChatCommand |
| 09:12.11 | AnduinLothar | k thx |
| 09:12.39 | AnduinLothar | how might i hook RegisterChatCommand.... |
| 09:12.45 | [Ammo] | you don't |
| 09:12.53 | [Ammo] | check DeuceCommander on how to get the options |
| 09:12.59 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 09:13.00 | kergoth | pretty sure you dont have to, you can obtain a reference to aceconsole via acelibrary |
| 09:13.05 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 09:13.08 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 09:13.39 | [Ammo] | local console = AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0") |
| 09:13.44 | [Ammo] | the commands are in console.registry |
| 09:14.04 | AnduinLothar | for k,v in pairs(AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0").registry) do |
| 09:14.06 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 09:14.10 | [Ammo] | check the DeuceCommander:Construct method |
| 09:14.21 | AnduinLothar | lookign at Niagara |
| 09:14.26 | [Ammo] | same thing |
| 09:14.32 | [Ammo] | niagara is based off deucecommander |
| 09:14.55 | [Ammo] | deucecommander adds a dropdownmenu style fubar plugin, niagara the waterfall interface |
| 09:15.01 | AnduinLothar | what's WhitchHunt do btw? |
| 09:15.08 | [Ammo] | it's my spellalert addon |
| 09:15.33 | [Ammo] | allows you to hunt witches :p |
| 09:18.42 | AnduinLothar | the args aren't ordered lists? |
| 09:19.33 | [Ammo] | they can be ordered by the order = |
| 09:20.09 | [Ammo] | other than that they appear alphabetically if not ordered in console, dewdrop and waterfall |
| 09:20.42 | AnduinLothar | that just convention? |
| 09:21.06 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:21.33 | [Ammo] | the order is a simple numeric value that is used for sorted display |
| 09:21.51 | AnduinLothar | what's usage for? |
| 09:22.08 | [Ammo] | well if you want your options sorted ina specific way you use the order |
| 09:22.23 | [Ammo] | useful if you want a header in between stuff |
| 09:22.24 | AnduinLothar | no 'usage' |
| 09:22.37 | [Ammo] | displays the usage if your input is incorrect |
| 09:22.45 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 09:22.55 | AnduinLothar | only for editboxes? |
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| 09:23.04 | [Ammo] | for things that allow input yeah |
| 09:23.11 | [Ammo] | mostly used in the console |
| 09:23.59 | [Ammo] | ckknight knows most about this stuff though |
| 09:24.02 | [Ammo] | I'm just a simple user :) |
| 09:24.12 | [Ammo] | or vhaarr |
| 09:24.38 | ckknight | I know all! |
| 09:24.41 | [Ammo] | hahaha |
| 09:24.47 | ckknight | what're we talking about? |
| 09:24.52 | AnduinLothar | no feedback? |
| 09:24.59 | [Ammo] | Anduin is adding an aceoptions plugin for khaos |
| 09:25.06 | [Ammo] | or that's the goal atm |
| 09:25.09 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 09:25.19 | [Ammo] | so he's asking stuff about the data structure and it's use |
| 09:25.25 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: see the wiki? |
| 09:25.32 | AnduinLothar | lookign at it |
| 09:25.36 | AnduinLothar | it's not esp clear |
| 09:25.42 | ckknight | http://wowace.com/wiki/AceOptions_data_table |
| 09:25.44 | AnduinLothar | formatting is confusing |
| 09:25.51 | AnduinLothar | right, i'm there |
| 09:25.58 | ckknight | koay |
| 09:26.03 | AnduinLothar | it's hard to read imo |
| 09:26.10 | ckknight | if you finish it, tell me, and I'll be sure to tell you if and when it changes |
| 09:26.55 | AnduinLothar | what it really needs is a list of all table keys and possible values |
| 09:27.21 | [Ammo] | they are there but per type |
| 09:27.49 | AnduinLothar | and name looks liek it's a key, but afaik it's the option key, right? |
| 09:27.58 | AnduinLothar | that's poorly phrased |
| 09:28.21 | ckknight | the key is the key, the name is just what it's called |
| 09:28.26 | [Ammo] | the 'name' field is the display name |
| 09:28.50 | AnduinLothar | oh ok and the key is more of an id? |
| 09:29.13 | AnduinLothar | ok khaos has the same thing only they're both table keys |
| 09:29.15 | [Ammo] | in the case of a console the key becomes the console option |
| 09:29.19 | AnduinLothar | and the list is ordered |
| 09:29.45 | AnduinLothar | type = 'execute' is the equiv of a button? |
| 09:29.46 | [Ammo] | in the case of a dewdrop or waterfall the key is never exposed the name is shown |
| 09:29.49 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:31.44 | AnduinLothar | no radio buttons? |
| 09:32.36 | AnduinLothar | no combination of options? |
| 09:33.14 | AnduinLothar | e.g. khaos can have a checkbox and a slider ont he same line, and even have the slider be disabled if the checkbox is unchecked |
| 09:33.42 | [Ammo] | radios are a 'text' type with a validate line |
| 09:33.42 | AnduinLothar | how are the default values set? |
| 09:33.52 | ckknight | default values? |
| 09:34.04 | AnduinLothar | like whether a checkbox is checked by default or not |
| 09:34.06 | ckknight | basically, those are predetermined, the get functions will return the current value |
| 09:34.19 | ckknight | get = function() return checked end |
| 09:34.29 | ckknight | if checked = true to start off with, it's checked. |
| 09:34.39 | AnduinLothar | is the get func used at any other time? |
| 09:35.03 | ckknight | no, don't think so |
| 09:35.13 | ckknight | you should check it again after set is called |
| 09:35.16 | ckknight | don't just assume it flips |
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| 09:35.36 | AnduinLothar | haven't gotten that far in yet |
| 09:35.53 | AnduinLothar | gonna jsut try and set up the checkboxes and headers and texts and see if it's possible |
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| 09:36.37 | [Ammo] | the option tables are often manipulated as well |
| 09:36.43 | [Ammo] | extra stuff added, stuff removed etc |
| 09:36.48 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 09:36.55 | [Ammo] | so keep that in mind :) |
| 09:37.12 | [Ammo] | for instance in BigWigs you can load the bossmods for a zone |
| 09:37.13 | AnduinLothar | Khaos.updateOptionSet |
| 09:37.32 | [Ammo] | and the 'Load' option is removed and replaced with the boss groups |
| 09:37.57 | AnduinLothar | hmm K_COLORPICKER got lost in half the khaos docs, odd |
| 09:38.41 | [Ammo] | the option tables can be quite dynamic, just keep that in mind :) |
| 09:38.48 | AnduinLothar | mreh |
| 09:38.54 | SunTiger | fully dynamic most of the time even |
| 09:39.03 | ckknight | nah, not most of the time |
| 09:39.08 | ckknight | typically it's static |
| 09:39.13 | ckknight | but the options like hidden, disabled flip often |
| 09:39.22 | ckknight | but it can be dynamic |
| 09:39.24 | ckknight | nothing prevents that |
| 09:39.43 | [Ammo] | there's quite a few addons that have dynamic tables |
| 09:47.14 | AnduinLothar | if set = function(v) |
| 09:47.26 | AnduinLothar | what type of value gets passed as v? |
| 09:47.39 | AnduinLothar | for say a type = 'toggle' |
| 09:47.45 | AnduinLothar | a boolean? |
| 09:47.48 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:48.50 | AnduinLothar | and get returns a boolean? |
| 09:48.56 | [Ammo] | no |
| 09:49.00 | [Ammo] | get returns what you want it to return |
| 09:49.17 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 09:49.26 | [Ammo] | get = function() return myaddon:AmIChecked() end |
| 09:49.37 | AnduinLothar | when is it used? |
| 09:49.56 | [Ammo] | in case of dew and waterfall when it's displayed and after it's set |
| 09:50.32 | AnduinLothar | why after ti's set? |
| 09:50.47 | [Ammo] | because it might not actually toggle ? |
| 09:51.08 | AnduinLothar | so you could have a checkbox that gets clicked and fails to toggle? |
| 09:51.30 | [Ammo] | fails to toggle, gives a big bad alert in your screen, turns your character 180o yeah |
| 09:51.54 | AnduinLothar | ... lame |
| 09:51.55 | [Ammo] | proper coders use the 'disabled' option to disable the checkbox when you can't toggle it though |
| 09:52.17 | AnduinLothar | imo the table should handle that |
| 09:52.24 | [Ammo] | it can't |
| 09:52.28 | [Ammo] | since you can do anything in set = |
| 09:52.28 | AnduinLothar | or whatever interfaces with it |
| 09:53.24 | AnduinLothar | that jsut adds dumb boundry cases that can be eliminated if you require the use of disabled |
| 09:53.41 | AnduinLothar | i dotn see a 'checked' key |
| 09:54.07 | AnduinLothar | ckknight said: if checked = true to start off with, it's checked. |
| 09:54.16 | AnduinLothar | but i dont see that on the page |
| 09:54.22 | [Ammo] | he also said: get = function() return checked end |
| 09:54.29 | [Ammo] | if checked is a local var that contains a value then yeah |
| 09:54.30 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 09:55.15 | [Ammo] | the whole data table is a very flexible thing and almost any slashcommand/menu can be created based off it |
| 09:56.12 | [Ammo] | it's not meant for a single representation |
| 09:56.27 | [Ammo] | hence you can't restrict it for that use |
| 09:56.54 | Nargiddley | can be a pain fiinding the representation to match an option |
| 09:57.05 | [Ammo] | Nargiddley: indeed |
| 09:57.12 | [Ammo] | AnduinLothar: Nargiddley = waterfall author |
| 09:57.15 | Nargiddley | i think I've got 4 different ways of showing a 'text' option |
| 09:57.31 | [Ammo] | text should have been 'input' |
| 09:57.32 | [Ammo] | but meh |
| 09:57.39 | AnduinLothar | get is fired on every time the optiosn show? |
| 09:57.48 | ckknight | yes, AnduinLothar |
| 09:57.51 | [Ammo] | you should fire it |
| 09:57.54 | AnduinLothar | that's disgusting.. |
| 09:57.56 | [Ammo] | otherwise you can't determine the current status |
| 09:58.46 | AnduinLothar | at least for my usage |
| 09:58.46 | [Ammo] | since it can change |
| 09:58.52 | AnduinLothar | ok, well the reason it's disgusting is because Khaos is of the paradigm that Khaos stores your options SV for you. |
| 09:59.18 | [Ammo] | the aceoptions table is independant |
| 09:59.27 | [Ammo] | but I can see where you come from |
| 09:59.37 | AnduinLothar | right.... it's not really compatible withotu forcing haxs both ways |
| 10:00.20 | ckknight | well, AceOptions doesn't handle SVs, since not every option is in the SV |
| 10:00.26 | AnduinLothar | i'll have to add liberal Khaos.updateOptionSet calls every time it shows itself.. |
| 10:00.36 | ckknight | as well as it's easier to let the addon do what it wants |
| 10:00.50 | AnduinLothar | 'easier' depends on viewpoint |
| 10:01.18 | ckknight | it seemed a better solution at the time, and I'd still agree with that |
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| 10:01.38 | AnduinLothar | register with khaos and you dotn have to ever worry about which character you're on or which profile you're using |
| 10:01.44 | AnduinLothar | khaos handles it all |
| 10:02.21 | ckknight | well, that's handled by AceDB-2.0, independent of how you want to show your options |
| 10:02.52 | ckknight | then you have your gets to be like get = function() self.db.profile.thingy end |
| 10:02.58 | ckknight | err, stick a return in there |
| 10:03.11 | Nargiddley | I've always liked working with AceOptions tables |
| 10:03.12 | AnduinLothar | code redundancy |
| 10:03.20 | ckknight | how is it redundant? |
| 10:03.35 | AnduinLothar | how many of your options jsut grab a variable? |
| 10:03.36 | ckknight | what about options not part of the SV, as well? |
| 10:03.40 | Nargiddley | well its not redundant if you want to have validation, or other things happen as the options changes |
| 10:03.41 | [Ammo] | the aceoptions table is not only used for SV's |
| 10:03.44 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: depends on the addon. |
| 10:04.24 | AnduinLothar | w/e I'm not here to argue the paradigm |
| 10:05.44 | Nargiddley | browsing through baggins, about 10% of mine are simply get/set a value, rest do other work |
| 10:08.59 | leethal | this button xml here has <Button ... ... ... id="1">... how do I set that id when I'm creating the button with Lua? |
| 10:09.27 | [Ammo] | SetID() ? |
| 10:09.30 | Nargiddley | button:SetID(1) |
| 10:09.32 | [Ammo] | I know GetID() exists |
| 10:09.39 | leethal | doh.. =P |
| 10:09.44 | [Ammo] | :) |
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| 10:19.13 | leethal | uhm.. when you go this.something in xml, what does that really mean? |
| 10:19.31 | leethal | inside a <OnLoad> or something, this xml does this.elapsed = foo |
| 10:20.03 | Industrial | er |
| 10:21.00 | krka | looks like a swedish word |
| 10:21.33 | [Ammo] | leethal: you set a variable inside the frame |
| 10:21.40 | Industrial | krka: murder factory |
| 10:22.02 | [Ammo] | leethal: so this.elapsed means someframe.elapsed |
| 10:22.09 | [Ammo] | this references the frame |
| 10:25.26 | leethal | ah, ok |
| 10:25.58 | leethal | so, local f = CreateFrame(...); f:SetScript("OnShow", function() f.elapsed = foo end) is the same thing? |
| 10:26.06 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 10:26.11 | [Ammo] | somewhat |
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| 10:26.24 | [Ammo] | you can even use this.elapsed inside your script |
| 10:26.35 | krka | Industrial: yes i know what it means, being swedish and all |
| 10:26.47 | AnduinLothar | where does WH_Options.args.standby.get come frome? |
| 10:26.55 | AnduinLothar | it's set to "IsActive" |
| 10:27.05 | AnduinLothar | i dont see that anywhere in WhitchHunt |
| 10:27.11 | [Ammo] | that's standard acaddon stuff |
| 10:27.19 | [Ammo] | you can toggle aceaddons standby etc |
| 10:27.30 | [Ammo] | it's injected by aceconsole afaik |
| 10:27.39 | AnduinLothar | the standby table is? |
| 10:29.00 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:29.08 | Nargiddley | profile stuff is as well |
| 10:29.25 | Nargiddley | 3-4 entries in total from memory |
| 10:30.02 | [Ammo] | "IsActive" is a method implemented by AceADdon |
| 10:30.15 | [Ammo] | you can do: WitchHunt:IsActive() and it'll return if it's on standby or not |
| 10:30.17 | AnduinLothar | odd, it said it was nil |
| 10:32.48 | Industrial | krka: lol :P |
| 10:33.26 | Nargiddley | AnduinLothar, what was nil ? |
| 10:33.46 | AnduinLothar | IsActive |
| 10:34.02 | AnduinLothar | oh it's nto global |
| 10:34.05 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 10:34.08 | Nargiddley | its a method of the handler |
| 10:34.09 | [Ammo] | you call it on the addon |
| 10:34.11 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 10:34.16 | Nargiddley | WH_Options.handler |
| 10:34.35 | Nargiddley | which is set to the addon object when those options are injected |
| 10:35.05 | [Ammo] | they can also be set to something else |
| 10:35.07 | Nargiddley | but could be anything (and often is at deeper levels) |
| 10:35.09 | [Ammo] | and each group can have their own handler |
| 10:35.30 | [Ammo] | passValue's work nice with that and reduce code duplication |
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| 10:52.06 | Juido | hello :) is there a german wow/lua channel on this server ? |
| 10:55.17 | Elkano | Germans only code to divide and conquer... |
| 10:59.40 | Juido | well.. suicide commando is more : Selbstmordkommando |
| 10:59.49 | AnduinLothar | where are ace addon defautls stored? |
| 11:00.54 | Industrial | Juido: cept that its a german band :P |
| 11:00.59 | Elkano | wrt the db? in the lua file itself; only data that differs from defaults makes it to the SVs |
| 11:02.08 | AnduinLothar | erm. is there a defautls table i can access or is it not saved after RegisterDefaults? |
| 11:02.43 | [Ammo] | why would you need the defaults table? |
| 11:02.59 | AnduinLothar | so that i can knwo the defaults |
| 11:03.29 | AnduinLothar | since khaos hadles it's own variables |
| 11:03.42 | AnduinLothar | it has disabled and defaults values |
| 11:04.46 | [Ammo] | that would only work for a simple get = function() return savedvar end |
| 11:05.05 | [Ammo] | but it should be in addon.db.defaults |
| 11:05.12 | AnduinLothar | thank you |
| 11:05.51 | [Ammo] | if any defaults are registered |
| 11:06.41 | Juido | how can i suppress a incoming and outgoing whisper? i tried this: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages. but no idea how to deal with whisper this way |
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| 11:07.05 | AnduinLothar | why are you trying to suppress it? |
| 11:07.10 | Juido | i have problems with the if .. then .. part |
| 11:07.23 | Juido | i try to write a own addon to block the goldseller spamms |
| 11:07.46 | [Ammo] | Juido: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/SimpleChatMods/antispam.lua |
| 11:08.25 | [Ammo] | pretty simple goldspam blocker |
| 11:08.34 | [Ammo] | not even ace so you can use it sepreately |
| 11:09.12 | Juido | yes but i dont want to block whisper by sender or keywords... |
| 11:09.29 | Industrial | how then |
| 11:09.46 | [Ammo] | Juido: it should show you how to block messages though |
| 11:09.52 | [Ammo] | regardless of what criteria you use for it |
| 11:11.14 | Juido | will this fired for every channel that has whispers ? |
| 11:11.41 | Juido | like the 2nd example from the howto page ? |
| 11:12.06 | [Ammo] | it's like the second example yeah |
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| 11:12.22 | [Ammo] | the antispam thing works on all channels in all chatframes |
| 11:12.45 | Juido | hmm then its useless for me this way :( |
| 11:13.11 | [Ammo] | explain in more detail what you want to do |
| 11:13.21 | Juido | i want to wite a addon like a irc query protection.. well |
| 11:13.44 | Juido | person A send you a whisper... the addon check if person a already exist in your db |
| 11:13.47 | [Ammo] | ah ok |
| 11:13.48 | Industrial | you mean mIRC :P |
| 11:13.56 | [Ammo] | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ShutUp/ |
| 11:13.57 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 11:14.02 | [Ammo] | that might be the addon you're looking for |
| 11:14.40 | [Ammo] | and also might give you the hook you're looking for if it is not the addon you're looking for |
| 11:15.03 | Juido | are ppl able to add them self to my "friend" list ? |
| 11:15.16 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 11:15.25 | [Ammo] | this blocks people that are not on your ingame friend or guild |
| 11:15.51 | Juido | hm damn... not exactly what im looking for.... |
| 11:16.15 | [Ammo] | but close enough |
| 11:16.21 | [Ammo] | so you can get some inspiration for it |
| 11:16.28 | [Ammo] | be sure to credit the author should you release it |
| 11:16.34 | leethal | got some issues with turning this example - http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_Tabbed_Windows - into Lua |
| 11:16.43 | leethal | this is my lua - http://wowi.pastey.net/13632 |
| 11:17.12 | leethal | seems like line 78 doesn't set what it's supposed to set, it complains about it being nil |
| 11:17.20 | Juido | my addon will send a unknown person a respond to whisper me a unique keyword first, then they will add to a db, and only ppl from the db will be allowed to whisper me |
| 11:17.45 | Juido | goldsell spamms are bots, they wont read my anwser or even write my the correct keyword |
| 11:18.02 | zenzelezz | leethal: what part of line 78 does it say is nil? |
| 11:18.06 | Juido | me* |
| 11:18.41 | leethal | zenzelezz: actually, that's not the error message. The error comes from UIPanelTemplates.lua, where that SetNumTabs is |
| 11:18.46 | leethal | zenzelezz: I'll paste that too |
| 11:19.30 | leethal | zenzelezz: http://wowi.pastey.net/13633 |
| 11:19.51 | leethal | zenzelezz: line 4 of that paste complains about numTabs being nil |
| 11:19.54 | Juido | my problem atm is, that my addon dont send only 1 respond.. it send as much respond as channels show whispers |
| 11:21.15 | leethal | zenzelezz: in that OnLoad (starts on line 76 of http://wowi.pastey.net/13632) I even tried doing f.numTabs = count, but I still get that same error |
| 11:21.16 | [Ammo] | Juido: add the playername you're sending the whisper to in a table |
| 11:21.32 | [Ammo] | Juido: preferably with a timestamp |
| 11:21.48 | [Ammo] | Juido: then check that table and the timestamp to see if you should send the whisper or not |
| 11:21.57 | [Ammo] | so you can add a whisper cooldown of say 5 mins |
| 11:22.23 | [Ammo] | but that would be my solution |
| 11:22.32 | leethal | zenzelezz: in case it matters: it does not complain about it being nil, it goes "Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:18 'for' limit bust be a number" (line 18 is line 4 in http://wowi.pastey.net/13633) |
| 11:23.07 | Juido | wont the palyer be added then more then once ? the problem is that my even trigger is fired 5 times. but i want to send only 1 respond |
| 11:23.19 | leethal | zenzelezz: this happens when i :Show() the frame, and also when I try clicking the tabs |
| 11:23.37 | Juido | event* |
| 11:24.29 | zenzelezz | leethal: seems it's beyond my knowledge :-| |
| 11:24.32 | [Ammo] | Juido: that's why you add them to the table when you send the whisper and check if they're not in the table or their time has expired before sending it |
| 11:25.04 | Juido | ah ic.. well back to manual then :D |
| 11:25.08 | [Ammo] | example: if whispered[name] < time() + 600 then -- 10 minute whisper cooldown |
| 11:25.23 | leethal | zenzelezz: I guess I just have to set something somewhere, that xml does automatically and lua don't |
| 11:25.28 | [Ammo] | I mean time() - 00 |
| 11:25.30 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 11:25.32 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 11:25.43 | [Ammo] | whispered[name] = time() when you send the whisper |
| 11:25.53 | Juido | yeah i know what you mean |
| 11:26.17 | [Ammo] | they'd only get the whisper once per 10 mins |
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| 11:49.04 | leethal | zenzelezz: the problem was simply that I didn't follow the naming convention when naming the frames |
| 11:49.45 | zenzelezz | :-o |
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| 12:01.30 | leethal | would self["SomeDynamicFunction"..var](param1, param2) work? |
| 12:01.47 | leethal | the function is called, but it doesn't seem like the params are passed |
| 12:05.43 | JoshBorke | leethal: no, what are you trying to do? |
| 12:06.03 | JoshBorke | leethal: you should do: local method = "SomeDynamicFunction"..var; self[method](self, param1, param2) |
| 12:06.19 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 12:06.40 | JoshBorke | assuming the function is defined as self:Method(param1, param2) |
| 12:07.17 | JoshBorke | gotta remember that Addon:Method is syntatical sugar for Addon.Method(Addon) |
| 12:07.54 | leethal | ah, that's what it was. I knew it was some sugar, but I always forgot what it was sugar for |
| 12:08.21 | zenzelezz | be careful or you might get syntactic diabetes |
| 12:08.35 | leethal | :O |
| 12:09.14 | leethal | why should I do local method = "CreatePage"..name; self[method]() instead of just self["CreatePage"..name]() ? |
| 12:09.31 | leethal | is local variables -that- much of a performance boost? |
| 12:09.48 | leethal | will my addon be 100 times faster if i define a couple of thousand local variables when the program initializes? =P |
| 12:10.23 | krka | local variables are quite fast compared to table lookups |
| 12:10.25 | zenzelezz | aside from speed, globals are "bad" |
| 12:10.35 | krka | of course, that may not be the bottleneck |
| 12:10.49 | leethal | but will I mess with globals in self["CreatePage"..name]()? |
| 12:11.31 | krka | in your example, there's no speed benefit unless you refer to the method many times |
| 12:11.47 | leethal | yeah, that's what I thought, thanks for clarifying =) |
| 12:11.49 | krka | looking up a local is probably faster than a concatenation |
| 12:11.58 | zenzelezz | I think the reason for the local in Josh's code was that he creates a variable, you just concatenate in yours |
| 12:12.08 | krka | in fact, if you only need it once, it will be slower to use a local |
| 12:12.11 | leethal | so, every time I use a variable more than one time, and it's not local, I should make it local? |
| 12:12.12 | krka | possibly |
| 12:12.19 | krka | not sure how the compiler manages it |
| 12:12.33 | krka | sounds like a good general rule |
| 12:13.57 | JoshBorke | leethal: you can do either for what i was saying |
| 12:14.14 | JoshBorke | you lose nothing from making things local |
| 12:15.24 | JoshBorke | and i do mean nothing |
| 12:16.08 | JoshBorke | local primitive variables are placed on the stack which means they don't take any extra stuff |
| 12:20.01 | Legorol | they are placed in a register if i remember right, it just so happens that the registers are all on the stack :o) |
| 12:22.25 | krka | lua is refered to as a register based language |
| 12:22.44 | krka | meaning that the opcodes can refer to "any" element on the stack |
| 12:23.06 | Legorol | ebp? |
| 12:23.09 | Legorol | oh lol |
| 12:23.34 | krka | ebp? |
| 12:23.42 | Legorol | probably the register EBP |
| 12:23.45 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 12:23.58 | krka | is for any particular machine type? |
| 12:24.00 | Legorol | used on x86 machines for stack manipulation, commonly when C is compiled to code etc. |
| 12:24.37 | Legorol | btw, i had a very interesting convo in #lua the other day with rici, involving the stack and how it's handled by the compiler and the VM |
| 12:25.19 | Legorol | my original question was: can we have the means to include all return variables from a function in the middle of a list, not just at the end? |
| 12:25.49 | krka | rici makes it easy to have interesting convos :) |
| 12:25.51 | Legorol | e.g. a(), b(), c() wouldn't just result in a1, b1, c1, c2, c3, but instead a1, a2, a3, b1, b2, b3, c1, c2, c3 |
| 12:26.13 | krka | right, i had that very same discussion too |
| 12:26.21 | krka | i think he's getting better and better at it |
| 12:26.24 | Legorol | turns out that although this sounds like a very simple thing, in reality due to the architecture of the VM it's almost impossible without rewriting a lot |
| 12:26.30 | krka | yeah |
| 12:26.41 | Legorol | it made me learn a lot about the code the compiler produces |
| 12:26.49 | krka | me too |
| 12:26.51 | Legorol | ah ok so you know it all, then i won't bore you with details |
| 12:26.59 | krka | then again, i am actively trying to reimplement the virtual machine |
| 12:27.03 | krka | so i kinda need to understand it |
| 12:27.09 | Legorol | impressive |
| 12:27.19 | krka | Legorol: my question was more along the lines of this though: |
| 12:27.45 | krka | couldn't you make f() or g() return f1, f2, f3, ... or g1, g2, g3, .... |
| 12:27.53 | krka | but it boils down the same problem |
| 12:27.57 | Legorol | right |
| 12:28.25 | krka | did he mention his extension of tables? |
| 12:28.29 | Legorol | nope |
| 12:28.30 | leethal | any list out there on available fonts for FontStrings? |
| 12:28.31 | Legorol | hold on a sec |
| 12:28.34 | krka | t1 >> {1, 2, 3} |
| 12:28.37 | krka | i think it was |
| 12:28.38 | Legorol | i don't get the "or" thing, that should be doable |
| 12:28.41 | krka | no wait, other direction |
| 12:28.51 | Legorol | if f() evaluates to false, you can just discard its return values |
| 12:28.58 | krka | also, the {f1(); f2();} |
| 12:29.03 | Legorol | that i saw |
| 12:29.10 | Legorol | but that's only in table constructors |
| 12:29.11 | krka | Legorol: yes, but for more complex cases it becomes difficult |
| 12:29.21 | Legorol | ok i can see how that might be the case |
| 12:29.24 | krka | like f1() and f2() or f3() |
| 12:29.30 | Legorol | bah, auth server screwing again :/ |
| 12:29.42 | krka | you need to store the return values somewhere before you know which to discard |
| 12:29.49 | Legorol | yeah |
| 12:30.23 | krka | could do it with tables internally of course, but that would slow down all the cases where you actually dont need this feature |
| 12:30.32 | krka | so i agreed it's not worth it |
| 12:30.37 | Legorol | rici explained that currently the VM has no opcode for register-based offset when accessing the stack |
| 12:30.55 | krka | i dont even know what you mean by that |
| 12:31.44 | Legorol | what that means is this: |
| 12:32.16 | Legorol | when you access an element of the stack, the only possibility is to access a particular (hardcoded) location, relative to the stack pointer |
| 12:32.32 | krka | ah right |
| 12:32.43 | Legorol | e.g. you can access SP+3 or SP+7 |
| 12:32.50 | Legorol | the compiler generates the hardcoded numbers |
| 12:32.52 | krka | i have a hard time imagining a case where you'd need something else :) |
| 12:33.13 | Legorol | it's that something else is what you'd need for a(), b() to work |
| 12:33.23 | Legorol | ok lemme explain |
| 12:33.50 | Legorol | when the compiler sees a function call, it needs to place the arguments and the function on the stack, then generate a CALL opcodde |
| 12:33.51 | JoshBorke | at compile time you wouldn't know what teh offsets should be for the different functions would you? |
| 12:34.08 | Legorol | JoshBorke: under the current Lua language, you do |
| 12:34.20 | Legorol | the compiler can tell exactly where everything is on the stack |
| 12:34.46 | Legorol | so it can generate hardcoded numbers |
| 12:35.02 | Legorol | krka: consider the act of putting the arguments of b() on the stack |
| 12:35.13 | Legorol | the compiler, at the moment, generates code which goes like: |
| 12:35.18 | Legorol | - put argument one at SP+8 |
| 12:35.24 | Legorol | - put argument two at SP+9 |
| 12:35.25 | Legorol | etc. |
| 12:35.32 | Legorol | then issues the call |
| 12:35.49 | Legorol | now imagine that you already called a(), and an unknown number of return values are currently sitting on top of the stack |
| 12:35.58 | krka | right |
| 12:36.07 | Legorol | the compiler doesn't know the absolute position at which to place b's arguments |
| 12:36.15 | Legorol | so it can't generate hardcoded numbers |
| 12:36.18 | krka | that would also mean that you couldn't have fixed size function stack frames |
| 12:36.53 | Legorol | however, if you allowed register-based offsets, you could do something like this: |
| 12:36.54 | leethal | how do you use this SimpleHTML stuff? I tried CreateSimpleHTML, but that didn't exist |
| 12:37.05 | JoshBorke | leethal: what do you mean? |
| 12:37.09 | leethal | the wiki doesn't seem to mention anything |
| 12:37.09 | Legorol | call a(), put return values on stack, count them, store the count in say SP+3 |
| 12:37.28 | JoshBorke | leethal: look inside the mod GuildBook. i use SimpleHTML there extensively |
| 12:37.32 | leethal | JoshBorke: well, how do I tell wow that "<h1> foo </h1>" is SimpleHTML? |
| 12:37.35 | leethal | JoshBorke: k |
| 12:37.39 | Legorol | then generate opcodes to put the arguments of b at SP+[SP+3]+5, SP+[SP+3]+6, etc. |
| 12:38.15 | krka | seems overly complex for a fairly small benefit |
| 12:38.30 | Legorol | well, it means you can have relative offsets when accessing the stack |
| 12:38.49 | Legorol | where the relative offset is given by the contents of a register |
| 12:38.57 | Legorol | useful for other things too |
| 12:38.57 | JoshBorke | leethal: hyou have to have a SimpleHTML frame that you put the text in |
| 12:39.13 | Legorol | but in the case of this list stuff, according to rici it's not worth the effort |
| 12:39.46 | Legorol | i was going to propose to him to introduce a new opcode that does allow relative offsets, whilst keeping the old ones, |
| 12:39.54 | Legorol | and the compiler would only use the new opcode if needed |
| 12:40.12 | Legorol | that way you can have best of both worlds |
| 12:40.55 | leethal | JoshBorke: yeah, just couldn't figure out how to create a SimpleHTML frame =/ |
| 12:41.11 | Legorol | CreateFrame(yadiyadya, "SimpleHTML") |
| 12:41.24 | leethal | oh |
| 12:43.24 | JoshBorke | *cough* CreateFrame("SimpleHTML", yada yada) *cough* |
| 12:43.24 | Legorol | SimpleHTML is a widget type just like Button |
| 12:43.24 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 12:43.25 | JoshBorke | but i didn't do it in lua, i did it in XML |
| 12:43.25 | Legorol | whatever, this CreateFrame thing is alien to me, i never use it |
| 12:43.25 | Legorol | XML ftw |
| 12:43.25 | JoshBorke | so goodl uck with that |
| 12:43.25 | Legorol | i'm a stalwart defender of XML |
| 12:43.46 | JoshBorke | xml has its places, i agree |
| 12:44.19 | Legorol | CreateFrame is overabused by people who come from Java, C++ and other languages which do have GUI widgets, but are created from code |
| 12:44.34 | zenzelezz | I like XML just for the fact that I know where all the creation happens and don't have to dig around in my code |
| 12:44.40 | JoshBorke | i like CreateFrame because i can make anonymous frames |
| 12:44.54 | Legorol | you can make anonymous frames in XML too :P |
| 12:45.12 | JoshBorke | gotta go, bye |
| 12:45.19 | Legorol | sorry i scared you away :'( |
| 12:45.26 | zenzelezz | lol, was just about to say that |
| 12:45.45 | leethal | so, doing myframe:CreateFontString("foo", "ARTWORK", "GameFontNormal") should work when myframe is a SimpleHTML frame? |
| 12:46.10 | AnduinLothar | xml is easier to read, CreateFrame is good for looped and abstracted frame creation |
| 12:47.55 | Tain | I still find Lua easier to read but that's just because I'm more used to it. Not because one is inherently easier. |
| 12:48.37 | Tain | If someone is starting new with it (and this is just my opinion) without much experience with XML I'd stick with Lua mostly. |
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| 13:20.37 | leethal | </break> |
| 13:20.42 | leethal | I'm new to both, and I prefer lua |
| 13:21.12 | leethal | I code the addon in lua, and as I can do all GUI stuff in lua I simply don't see why I should use XML |
| 13:21.22 | zenzelezz | then stick to Lua =) |
| 13:21.32 | leethal | =) |
| 13:21.42 | zenzelezz | as far as I'm aware there's no reason to use one over the other, except preference |
| 13:23.15 | zenzelezz | the reason I personally prefer XML is I find it easier to see the structure |
| 13:23.18 | krka | xml is overall sucky |
| 13:23.57 | zenzelezz | WoW-XML or just XML? |
| 13:24.10 | krka | both :) |
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| 13:26.10 | Legorol | it's always going to end up as a personal opinion, however if i induct someone to WoW addons, i induct them to XML first |
| 13:26.21 | Legorol | no need to understand procedural or algorithmic thinking, only structural/design |
| 13:26.46 | Legorol | WoW-XML is descriptive in nature, which is a great place to start, for some people |
| 13:27.19 | Legorol | the problem is that the majority of people are not descriptive/analytic in their thinking, but rather action-like |
| 13:28.48 | AnduinLothar | [Ammo]: http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/WitchHunt_Khaos.jpg |
| 13:28.57 | [Ammo] | checking |
| 13:29.11 | [Ammo] | nice |
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| 13:29.27 | AnduinLothar | haven't implimented the editboxes yet |
| 13:29.44 | [Ammo] | once you have it all working it should be a nice extra for khaos users |
| 13:29.52 | krka | is there any lua library for creating frames in a structured way? |
| 13:30.09 | krka | seeing as lua tables could be used instead of xml |
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| 13:37.12 | leethal | "mystring" to "Mystring". How? |
| 13:38.53 | krka | function convertString(s) assert(s == "mystring") return "Mystring" end |
| 13:39.18 | leethal | not possible to do it dynamic? |
| 13:39.25 | krka | possibly |
| 13:39.31 | krka | depends on how you want it to work |
| 13:39.48 | leethal | something like "get the first character in a string, do string.upcase on it and return" |
| 13:39.56 | krka | sure, that's possible |
| 13:41.58 | krka | function up(s) if s == "" then return "" end return s:sub(1,1):upper() .. s:sub(2) end |
| 13:42.30 | Tain | It's funny, I remember a little while back mentioning some little feature I wanted, and someone said, "oh that's part of xxxx already." And it wasn't the first time I asked, and it wasn't the first time someone (maybe same person) said it. |
| 13:42.38 | Tain | And I can't remember what it was that I wanted, and what it was part of. |
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| 13:43.22 | leethal | Tain: that's when you gotta say that you forgot it, and hope someone will reply "oh, that's xxxx I think" |
| 13:43.59 | leethal | it's important that you don't ask the same question again, though, in case the person telling you what it was is around, and remembers it |
| 13:44.28 | leethal | so, your way of "asking but at the same time not asking" was very clever indeed! |
| 13:44.35 | Tain | That's what I get for drunken IRCing. |
| 13:46.34 | Beladona | good lord Tain |
| 13:46.55 | Beladona | that was one of the most cryptic conversations I have read in a while |
| 13:46.57 | zenzelezz | careful, this is Tain, he'll think you're calling him Lord |
| 13:46.59 | Beladona | lol |
| 13:47.49 | krka | we should call him lord! |
| 13:47.54 | Beladona | Lord Tain |
| 13:48.03 | Beladona | Hunter of Eventide |
| 13:48.13 | krka | everytime i say FTL, i mean For Taim |
| 13:48.16 | krka | err, Tain |
| 13:48.37 | Tain | Speaking of cryptic, can curse-gaming obfuscate browsing for addons any more? |
| 13:48.46 | Beladona | lol |
| 13:48.48 | Kaso | haha |
| 13:49.02 | Beladona | some of the stuff they did on curse-gaming is cool |
| 13:49.03 | Kaso | it does seem every time i go there i have to search for 10min to find the addon serach page |
| 13:49.11 | Beladona | but a lot of it is just "wtf?" |
| 13:49.50 | Tain | This is why I rarely use any addons that I don't get from wowi (or direct from wowace) |
| 13:50.09 | Beladona | like when you click a button that says "Downlaod Now!" I expect it to download now |
| 13:50.15 | Beladona | not make me go through 2 screens of choices |
| 13:50.35 | Beladona | I mean, learn to auto-pick a mirror |
| 13:51.28 | Beladona | I do like the "beta" tab in the files list |
| 13:51.37 | Beladona | wowi should have something like that |
| 13:51.46 | Beladona | I like having my beta AND release under the same page |
| 13:52.11 | zenzelezz | true |
| 13:52.12 | Tain | Actually it's more annoying to me that there are both, "Download Now" and "Quick Download" buttons and they do the same thing. |
| 13:52.20 | Beladona | yeah that too |
| 13:52.59 | Beladona | oh |
| 13:53.48 | Beladona | and how you can go to http://wow-en-curse-gaming.com and put in a string to search for, but unless you actually CLICK downloads, it just takes you to advanced search and does nothing |
| 13:53.59 | Beladona | no soup for joo |
| 13:54.35 | Beladona | sorry 1 too many cashes in that link |
| 13:54.35 | Beladona | dashes* |
| 13:55.25 | Beladona | and how when you go to an addon page, the details doesn't show last updated time, nor does it show the current version. You can only find that in the files section down below |
| 13:55.34 | Tain | And I'm not trying to harp on them here, I made some suggestions for usability when the site first came up and was met with pretty hostile response. |
| 13:55.43 | Beladona | same |
| 13:55.50 | Beladona | I did mine anonymously though |
| 13:56.11 | Beladona | all that "well you are with wowi, so we won't listen to you" crap |
| 13:56.19 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 13:58.31 | krka | who are you talking to tain? i see beladona is here, but he's with wowi so i don't read what he writes |
| 13:58.48 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 13:58.55 | Beladona | ~lart krka |
| 13:58.55 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at krka |
| 13:59.05 | Beladona | thats all you got purl? |
| 13:59.22 | krka | fyi, i have had purl on ignore for several months |
| 13:59.32 | zenzelezz | y u h8 |
| 13:59.36 | Beladona | krka: is no fun |
| 13:59.59 | krka | agreed, purl is no fun at all |
| 14:00.46 | Beladona | giggle ... snort |
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| 14:05.01 | Jens | Now that RatingBuster sucks, does anyone know of a replacement? |
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| 14:06.46 | Jens | Went from just "busting" ratings to this --> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7749.jpg |
| 14:16.12 | zenzelezz | Jens: did the previous version not work anymore? |
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| 14:16.43 | Jens | It's probably only a matter of time before it doesn't what with the new patch and all. |
| 14:17.04 | Jens | I'll just delete it. Busting ratings aint that important anyway. |
| 14:17.33 | Jens | If I'm bored enough I might whip up something simple for myself with tables stolen from Whitetooth. |
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| 14:27.57 | Juido | how do you insert a string and a timpestamp into a table ? table.insert(table, arg2=time()); ? |
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| 14:52.18 | Legorol | I just got a flying mount on the PTR. When I ride it, it is flapping madly (2-3 flaps a second), is this normal? |
| 14:52.25 | Legorol | i mean epic flying mount |
| 14:52.32 | Legorol | I only have a normal flying mount on live, so I have no comparison |
| 14:53.24 | [Ammo] | probably normal yeah |
| 14:53.27 | [Ammo] | it's faster |
| 14:53.30 | [Ammo] | it should flap faster |
| 14:53.39 | Legorol | is this a guess, or do you own an epic flyer? |
| 14:53.39 | [Ammo] | gnomes with runspeed = littlespammylegs |
| 14:53.46 | [Ammo] | no I don't :) |
| 14:53.58 | Legorol | i need to verify it, because i don't know whether to /bug it or not |
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| 14:56.55 | zenzelezz | so I'm in Coldridge Valley on a lowbie rogue and this ?? undead mage is killing this whole cave, probably thinking he's giving me grief |
| 14:57.06 | zenzelezz | in effect he's just helping me clear to the mob I need |
| 14:57.13 | Juido | ever followed a slow flugmount on a fast fm ? that looks realy strange... |
| 14:57.25 | Juido | like a mount on BSE |
| 14:59.38 | ravagernl | People, what do you think of an addon to track shields, like Ice Barrier, Power Word: Shield or the arathi basin talisman? I mean how much damage is left |
| 15:01.55 | [Ammo] | it's already been done |
| 15:02.00 | [Ammo] | I know I saw something like that |
| 15:02.02 | leethal | not for all of them, has it? |
| 15:02.11 | [Ammo] | well for a lot |
| 15:02.22 | leethal | there's separate addons for mage stuff, priest stuff ect |
| 15:02.29 | leethal | but not an all-in-one thingie I think |
| 15:02.56 | ravagernl | [ammo] I know CT_ShieldMod did, but I can't find it anymore |
| 15:03.02 | leethal | "it's already been done" shouldn't stop you, though, you can always do it better =) |
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| 15:07.51 | Juido | how do you insert a string and a timpestamp into a table ? |
| 15:08.10 | Juido | or just add them |
| 15:08.19 | ravagernl | table.insert afaik |
| 15:08.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:08.35 | Juido | yes but how the string = time |
| 15:08.46 | Juido | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.56 | Shirik|reallyZzZ | perfect :D |
| 15:09.06 | Juido | doest work ^^ |
| 15:09.07 | Shirik | wait |
| 15:09.08 | Shirik | no |
| 15:09.09 | Shirik | sorry |
| 15:09.13 | Juido | ... :) |
| 15:09.25 | Shirik | you can't use table.insert with a key |
| 15:09.27 | Shirik | instead, you can do |
| 15:09.30 | Shirik | table.arg2 = time() |
| 15:09.34 | Shirik | or table["arg2"] = time() |
| 15:10.09 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:10.10 | Juido | will this also add to a already existing table ? or replace it ? |
| 15:10.27 | Shirik | if it already exists, it will replace it. If it doesn't exist, it will add it |
| 15:10.55 | Juido | only if arg2 already exist ? so it wont touch arg1, arg3, ect ? |
| 15:11.02 | Cairenn | *chuckles* |
| 15:11.04 | zenzelezz | darn copycats |
| 15:11.08 | Shirik | correct |
| 15:11.12 | Juido | k thx |
| 15:12.19 | zenzelezz | I wish my warrior was a dorf :-/ |
| 15:12.21 | Shirik | arg1, arg3, whatever, nothing has to exist if you want to use arg2 |
| 15:12.37 | Shirik | or.... I think if you really wanted to go crazy |
| 15:12.51 | Shirik | you could probably use a metatable to auto-create the timestamp when the table is created ^^ |
| 15:13.12 | ravagernl | http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial dah |
| 15:13.13 | zenzelezz | somehow I think that's a bit advanced for him at the moment |
| 15:13.18 | Shirik | hehe I know |
| 15:13.20 | zenzelezz | (meta tables) |
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| 15:14.45 | leethal | http://wowi.pastey.net/13687 - the dropdown frame itself is added, but it does not get a default value, and nothing happens when you click the down-arrow-button-thingie to expand the tooltip |
| 15:16.11 | leethal | sooo.. any ideas? |
| 15:16.34 | Shirik | >>> timestamptable = {__newindex = function(table, key, value) rawset(table, "arg2", time()); rawset(table, key, value); end}; mytbl={}; setmetatable(mytbl, timestamptable); mytbl["name"] = "Shirik"; print(mytbl.arg2); |
| 15:16.37 | Shirik | boo :( |
| 15:17.54 | Shirik | leethal >< |
| 15:17.57 | Shirik | comments are you friend |
| 15:18.05 | leethal | =P |
| 15:18.17 | leethal | line 25, ya |
| 15:18.32 | leethal | I guess I could have omitted everything above that line |
| 15:18.39 | leethal | oh, no, not local add_buttons |
| 15:19.13 | Shirik | OnLoad will never be called |
| 15:19.36 | leethal | well, no wonder it's weird then =) |
| 15:19.46 | Shirik | for dynamic frames, OnLoad doesn't get called |
| 15:19.52 | Shirik | so... you just have to do it right away |
| 15:19.53 | leethal | ah |
| 15:20.04 | Shirik | and there's no problem with doing it right away (the frame is loaded right at CreateFrame) |
| 15:20.13 | leethal | I've decided to go with LUa for creating frames, so I kind of "ported" it from xml |
| 15:20.28 | leethal | as all the tutorials and references is xml, I mean |
| 15:20.28 | Shirik | just go ahead and do that stuff right after :SetPoint |
| 15:20.38 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 15:21.05 | leethal | worked instantly |
| 15:21.12 | Shirik | :) |
| 15:21.21 | leethal | if it makes you feel better, I probably spent 2 hours trying stuff and googling before I spammed in here =P |
| 15:22.56 | leethal | s/I probably spent/I spent at least/ |
| 15:23.00 | leethal | yah! |
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| 15:26.12 | Shirik | leethal it's ok |
| 15:26.23 | Shirik | sometimes it takes another pair of eyes to fix a stupid mistake |
| 15:26.26 | Shirik | it happens to everyone |
| 15:26.36 | Shirik | because in your mind, you know what you want to happen |
| 15:26.44 | Shirik | but everyone else sees it from a fresh point of view |
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| 15:27.06 | leethal | this is one of those things that's not easy to google |
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| 15:27.32 | leethal | my next question, does Lua know if a number is odd or even, is though (so don't answer it unless you're very very bored) |
| 15:28.06 | pastamancer | math knows, or more specifically, the modulo operator |
| 15:28.32 | Shirik | yup |
| 15:29.03 | Shirik | leethal do you know the % operator? |
| 15:29.05 | leethal | ah, that modulo operator is one of those programming principles I never understood. foo % bar, right? |
| 15:29.10 | Shirik | yup |
| 15:29.11 | cogwheel|work | if num % 2 == 0 then --[[ num is even ]] end |
| 15:29.17 | Shirik | it's REALLY simple |
| 15:29.24 | Shirik | all it does, is do division, and return the remainder |
| 15:29.29 | Shirik | so 3 % 2 == 1 |
| 15:29.30 | nuoHep | you can do even = ( val % 2 == 0 ) and true or false |
| 15:29.32 | Shirik | 2 % 2 == 0 |
| 15:29.35 | leethal | aah |
| 15:29.38 | pastamancer | if you remember long division that is :p |
| 15:29.48 | cogwheel|work | nuoHep: you don't need and true or false :P |
| 15:29.53 | nuoHep | maybe |
| 15:29.56 | cogwheel|work | the == operator returns a boolean |
| 15:30.01 | nuoHep | yeah |
| 15:30.10 | cogwheel|work | >>> ( 3 % 2 == 0 ) |
| 15:30.10 | Shirik | but don't do |
| 15:30.14 | nuoHep | but its easier for me to look at it this way |
| 15:30.14 | Shirik | if (val % 2) |
| 15:30.19 | Shirik | because 0 is true |
| 15:30.23 | cogwheel|work | ~poke Cide |
| 15:30.35 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:30.35 | Cide | go |
| 15:30.44 | cogwheel|work | >>> ( 3 % 2 == 0 ) |
| 15:30.44 | Cide | cogwheel|work: false |
| 15:30.55 | cogwheel|work | >>> ( 2 % 2 == 0 ) |
| 15:30.55 | Cide | cogwheel|work: true |
| 15:30.58 | Shirik | >>> if (2 % 2) then print("Number is odd"); end |
| 15:30.58 | Cide | Shirik: "Number is odd" |
| 15:31.04 | Shirik | ;) |
| 15:31.50 | cogwheel|work | >>> ({[0] = "Even", "Odd"})[9846546573732 % 2] |
| 15:31.50 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "Even" |
| 15:31.55 | cogwheel|work | >>> ({[0] = "Even", "Odd"})[9846546573731 % 2] |
| 15:31.55 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "Odd" |
| 15:32.00 | Shirik | fun |
| 15:32.17 | Shirik | doesn't that create a huge table though? |
| 15:32.24 | cogwheel|work | ? |
| 15:32.26 | pastamancer | nope |
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| 15:32.34 | Shirik | it doesn't fill in in between? |
| 15:32.35 | pastamancer | it's a cute little table |
| 15:32.39 | cogwheel|work | fill in between what? |
| 15:32.39 | Tain | Just a little end table. |
| 15:32.49 | cogwheel|work | I'm doing the mod before the index... |
| 15:32.49 | pastamancer | almost a nighstand really |
| 15:32.50 | Shirik | index 0 and 984whatever |
| 15:32.50 | Tain | Not like a banquet table. |
| 15:33.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:33.07 | Shirik | right |
| 15:33.08 | Shirik | oops |
| 15:33.40 | leethal | yay |
| 15:33.41 | cogwheel|work | silly Shirik |
| 15:33.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:34.16 | pastamancer | have another cup of coffee |
| 15:34.34 | cogwheel|work | vitamin B > caffeine |
| 15:35.37 | cogwheel|work | (a year ago you never would've seen me type that :P ) |
| 15:35.38 | zenzelezz | not until they put it in Cola |
| 15:35.49 | cogwheel|work | (and not just because I wasn't in this channel... ) |
| 15:35.52 | Shirik | I did just wake up actually but |
| 15:36.20 | Shirik | I don't think I've ever had coffee, minus a mocha from starbucks, which I don't consider "coffee" |
| 15:36.37 | Maldivia | anyone know, if slouken/Blizzard is aware of the offities with the new profession links (they don't auto-update when items are cached, the server allows links, even if the items they produce can not be linked, you can link them in wrong color, can link them with wrong text)? |
| 15:36.39 | pastamancer | office coffee is far superior for waking up because it fights back |
| 15:36.42 | Maldivia | oddities* |
| 15:37.35 | cogwheel|work | I haven't seen any posts about it on the UI & Macros forum... |
| 15:37.54 | Maldivia | I no longer have a US account, so can't post on US forums anymore :| |
| 15:38.00 | Shirik | Maldivia: The UI is quite a bit borked atm |
| 15:38.07 | Shirik | I'd wait for a patch before complaining about anything |
| 15:38.08 | cogwheel|work | pastey something and i'll post for you |
| 15:38.16 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: there was a patch today :P |
| 15:38.18 | Shirik | O.O |
| 15:38.22 | Shirik | did they fix secure frames? |
| 15:38.51 | Maldivia | cogwheel|work: well, it's basically just as I described above, all the old item-link bugs |
| 15:38.59 | Maldivia | cogwheel|work: but now with profession links instead |
| 15:39.32 | cogwheel|work | well, i'm not really familiar with those :P I'll just post what you wrote up there... |
| 15:39.43 | Maldivia | just a sec, I'll rephrase then |
| 15:39.49 | Maldivia | I'll give you a pasteit |
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| 15:41.51 | leethal | is there an :IsFrameType equivalent for checking if foo is a frame at all? |
| 15:42.32 | cogwheel|work | Check for the existence of IsFrameType? |
| 15:42.35 | JoshBorke | leethal: did you check the wiki? |
| 15:42.40 | leethal | hmm, silly |
| 15:42.46 | leethal | yeah, checked, perhaps I missed it though |
| 15:42.47 | cogwheel|work | actually, if you do type(frame) == "userdata" |
| 15:42.59 | leethal | no, checking if myconstant is a frame |
| 15:43.15 | cogwheel|work | no... that might return true for fontstrings & such |
| 15:43.16 | cogwheel|work | hrm |
| 15:43.21 | JoshBorke | IsFrameType |
| 15:43.25 | JoshBorke | erm |
| 15:43.28 | JoshBorke | IsObjectType rather |
| 15:43.32 | leethal | ah |
| 15:43.55 | leethal | what is the "type" for frame? Frame, "frame", "Frame"? |
| 15:44.08 | JoshBorke | Frame, SimpleHTML, Button, CheckBox |
| 15:44.22 | cogwheel|work | Everything that's a frame inherits from Frame |
| 15:44.26 | cogwheel|work | so Frame should work just fine |
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| 15:45.27 | Maldivia | cogwheel|work: http://wowi.pastey.net/13698 |
| 15:46.27 | cogwheel|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96960202&postId=969615659&sid=1#0 |
| 15:46.29 | JoshBorke | yea, frame works |
| 15:47.05 | Maldivia | cogwheel|work: thanks |
| 15:47.06 | Shirik | good good :) |
| 15:47.34 | Shirik | patch ftw, except that it just took me 15 minutes to download a 7MB patch |
| 15:47.41 | Shirik | mm more like 10 but still |
| 15:47.43 | Maldivia | uhh patch... |
| 15:47.49 | pastamancer | PTR patch I assume? |
| 15:47.52 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:48.05 | Maldivia | ohh well, don't have access to it until friday :| |
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| 15:54.50 | Nicken | That stupid patch shall never be realeased! |
| 15:55.57 | Maldivia | ehh... ok ? |
| 15:57.51 | Kaso | Profession links? is that like enchanting |
| 15:58.04 | Kaso | i mean is that like the links for, enchanting |
| 15:58.36 | Kaso | *from |
| 15:58.37 | Kaso | ffs learn to type |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik | woot :D |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik | RDX works perfectly |
| 15:58.40 | Maldivia | Kaso: exactly link enchantments :9 |
| 15:59.08 | Maldivia | like* |
| 15:59.40 | Maldivia | except, profession links are yellow in chat (but they still start with enchant:#### in the link |
| 16:03.01 | Kaso | well the enchantid was always just the internal spell ID of the spell, so i guess it isnt much work for them to expand it to all professions |
| 16:03.03 | cogwheel|work | Maldivia: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96960202&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 16:03.26 | Maldivia | yeah, just read it :) |
| 16:04.56 | Maldivia | cogwheel: and yeah, I'm kind of busy monday to friday for the next 6 weeks, can only play/test in weekends :) |
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| 16:05.49 | cogwheel|work | well, since he sent it to Q/A, they'll probably figure it out :) |
| 16:06.11 | Maldivia | hopefully :) |
| 16:06.31 | Maldivia | I dont want to go through the whole spoof-link bonanza again |
| 16:08.07 | Maldivia | it was bad enough the first time around |
| 16:14.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know of an unofficial list of build 0.1.0.6592 changes? |
| 16:18.09 | Beladona | AT THE UI FILE LEVEL? |
| 16:18.16 | Beladona | sorry caps |
| 16:18.29 | Beladona | wdn will be done in about 10 minutes |
| 16:18.37 | Beladona | just finishing up the regexes |
| 16:19.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | overall |
| 16:19.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly gameplay related, but UI can't hurt |
| 16:20.22 | Beladona | only way to really know gameplay related changes in this build is to compare the patch notes |
| 16:20.22 | Beladona | and thats if they actually changed anything in the patch notes |
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| 16:20.58 | Beladona | hopefully they fixed the Illidan encounter |
| 16:22.21 | Beladona | they need a special set of notes just for changes between test builds |
| 16:22.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Cairenn, others, http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/18/jack-thompson-fox-news-video-clip/ |
| 16:23.58 | Cairenn | oh ffs |
| 16:24.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt they changed anything |
| 16:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the notes yet |
| 16:24.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Apparently he's now "an expert on school shootings" |
| 16:25.08 | Beladona | bbl guys, I gotta go to Stranglethorn and practice my next attack on the post office |
| 16:25.08 | Shirik | Go Cairenn! |
| 16:25.19 | Shirik | "The only way you need AddOns for 1.12 is if you are playing on a "private" server. Private servers are not allowed by Blizzard. You will find no assistance here." <3 |
| 16:25.21 | cogwheel|work | it's also gonna get the gun control people up in arms |
| 16:25.27 | cogwheel|work | pun ruthlessly intended |
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| 16:25.40 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 16:25.43 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 16:25.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | private servers are only 1.12 still? |
| 16:25.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | tsk tsk |
| 16:25.48 | TC_Working | ~bad cogwheel|work |
| 16:25.50 | purl | Bad cogwheel|work, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 16:25.56 | cogwheel|work | Though the sad fact is that if guns were allowed on school grounds, there would've been far fewer casualties |
| 16:26.01 | zenzelezz | are China past 1.12? |
| 16:26.06 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 16:26.08 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBorke's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBorke |
| 16:27.19 | Beladona | Breaking News: The common denominator in all of these killings was Oxygen! Stop Breathing! |
| 16:27.27 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work, I don't see stuff like that happening in the UK, but I do see your point |
| 16:27.37 | Shirik | oooh |
| 16:27.38 | cogwheel|work | They should ban people... that wolud do it! |
| 16:27.38 | Shirik | Beladona's on to something here.. |
| 16:27.51 | cogwheel|work | Kirkburn|afk: we don't have many viscious knife attacks here though :P |
| 16:27.57 | zenzelezz | nonsense, it was the nitrogen |
| 16:28.03 | Beladona | I need to know something |
| 16:28.09 | Shirik | 1+1=2 |
| 16:28.16 | TC_Working | Guns should be allowed...just nothing newer that flinlocks |
| 16:28.44 | TC_Working | takes 2 min to load & prime the gun...ppl will have left (or beaten the crap out of you) by that time |
| 16:28.46 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work, you have a greater chance of surviving a stabbing than a shot to the head |
| 16:28.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | epic flight mounts still flap at a billion miles an hour on the ptr |
| 16:29.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the bogblossoms can explode now :O |
| 16:29.05 | Beladona | how in the hell is gunning down demons who shoot fire good practice for a college shooting. its been a while since I went to school, but were there demons there? |
| 16:29.10 | cogwheel|work | Kirkburn|afk: yes, but you also have a greater chance of surviving a gun attack if you're armed as well :P |
| 16:29.16 | Shirik | TC_Working: The problem with making guns "illegal" |
| 16:29.26 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work, damn that logic |
| 16:29.40 | Kirkburn|afk | It's true, I can't deny that |
| 16:29.41 | Shirik | is that... well we all know suicidal murderers are law-abiding citizens |
| 16:29.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Beladona, they're called 'professors' |
| 16:29.53 | Shirik | The only thing making guns "illegal" does is prevent people from protecting themselves |
| 16:30.06 | Shirik | and break the constitution |
| 16:30.13 | zenzelezz | you fools, don't you all see the link? Gandling |
| 16:30.16 | zenzelezz | School is in session! |
| 16:30.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Hell, WoW already has one of the floaty ball things |
| 16:30.52 | Kirkburn|afk | WoW already has Hell too |
| 16:30.53 | Shirik | Beladona: Maybe you don't have one of those new guns |
| 16:30.58 | Shirik | the one that works with joysticks |
| 16:31.05 | Shirik | and has an "A" button |
| 16:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kirkburn|afk> WoW already has Hell too |
| 16:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | uldaman? |
| 16:31.13 | Beladona | http://www.brainsnap.com/national/518/jack_thompson_a_person_of_interest_in_va_tech_shooting |
| 16:31.17 | Beladona | makes me laugh |
| 16:31.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies2, so right |
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| 16:31.37 | cogwheel|work | I like uldaman :( |
| 16:31.39 | Shirik | haha nice Beladona |
| 16:31.39 | cogwheel|work | and gnomer |
| 16:32.16 | zenzelezz | Jack Thompson reminds me of what Arthur C. Clarke (or whoever it was) said, the only thing more abundant than hydrogen is stupidity |
| 16:32.56 | Shirik | But in all seriousness it's wrong to be making humor out of an incident like this |
| 16:32.58 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work, you're a sick sadistic freak, and I <3 you all the more for it |
| 16:33.00 | Shirik | but Jack Thompson just pisses me off |
| 16:33.19 | Shirik | take an incident like this and use it to his advantage |
| 16:33.21 | cogwheel|work | wouldn't that technically be masochistic? |
| 16:33.22 | Beladona | I like the people who spread the crap that gaming is causing crimes, when in fact since the release of the playstation violent crimes among the age group most commonly associated with gaming has more than halved |
| 16:33.22 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 16:33.49 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work: Thesaurus Nazi |
| 16:33.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully rockstar/take two/whoever's suit against him goes through without any problems |
| 16:33.49 | cogwheel|work | haha... they're too busy playing games to go on murderous rampages :P |
| 16:33.55 | Shirik | Beladona: I made a presentation regarding that |
| 16:34.03 | Beladona | according to actual police statistics and such |
| 16:34.05 | Shirik | Specifically I pointed out that it is an "outlet" for teens |
| 16:34.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I can give another reason for that decline |
| 16:34.11 | Shirik | instead of actually going out and killing people |
| 16:34.12 | Beladona | it keeps them busy |
| 16:34.13 | Beladona | inside |
| 16:34.16 | Beladona | off the street |
| 16:34.22 | Shirik | they just let off their frustration in the game |
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| 16:34.31 | Shirik | that, and it reduces gangs, drug use, etc. |
| 16:34.35 | Kirkburn|afk | This is more 'controversial', but it's due to the increase in abortions |
| 16:34.44 | cogwheel|work | <3 Freakonomics |
| 16:34.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Exactly |
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| 16:35.34 | Beladona | thats why my wife doesn't complain when I play |
| 16:35.45 | cogwheel|work | my wife plays... |
| 16:35.46 | Beladona | because as she says "I could be in a bar somewhere" |
| 16:36.18 | Beladona | I caught my wife playing tetris once. Thats about it |
| 16:36.54 | Beladona | but then she stopped when I made a big deal about it |
| 16:36.57 | Beladona | haha |
| 16:37.01 | cogwheel|work | lol |
| 16:37.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Just thinking, isn't is kinda hypocritical when people say they want to keep kids off the streets, but at the same time mentioning how it was wonderful when they could go out on the streets and play? |
| 16:37.03 | Shirik | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20051012.jpg NSFW |
| 16:37.10 | Gryphen | my wife kicks my ass at games :( |
| 16:37.17 | Beladona | well |
| 16:37.25 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: SFW if no one can read your screen :P |
| 16:37.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:37.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:37.36 | cogwheel|work | s/your/the text on your/ |
| 16:37.44 | Beladona | I went to the store a few months back. Toy section. Trying to find a toy for a friend of mine's 8 year old kid |
| 16:37.50 | Beladona | for his birthday |
| 16:37.56 | Beladona | try looking for walkie-talkies |
| 16:38.02 | Beladona | its like they stopped making them |
| 16:38.15 | Tain | Most 8 year old have Nextels. ;) |
| 16:38.23 | Beladona | mostly because I think kids don't really go out and do that kinda stuff anymore |
| 16:38.34 | Beladona | they stay in, play video games |
| 16:38.39 | Shirik | also http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/18/2007-04-18_people_dont_stop_killers_people_with_gun.html |
| 16:38.57 | Kirkburn|afk | I used to have great fun with walkie-talkies :D |
| 16:39.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Great for hide and seek |
| 16:39.26 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 16:39.26 | Beladona | I grew up outdoors |
| 16:39.44 | Beladona | and here I am sitting in front of a computer every day, indoors |
| 16:39.47 | Beladona | how did that happen? |
| 16:39.50 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:40.02 | cogwheel|work | <.< |
| 16:40.04 | cogwheel|work | >.> |
| 16:40.11 | cogwheel|work | I think I should sue Nintendo |
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| 16:40.19 | cogwheel|work | The Wii shortage is preventing me from exercising |
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| 16:41.08 | zenzelezz | it should have the other effect, you should be running around looking for one |
| 16:41.39 | cogwheel|work | more driving than anything... I live in a very sprawled out area |
| 16:43.29 | zenzelezz | run faster then |
| 16:43.29 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 16:43.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I ran to get my Wii :D |
| 16:43.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn tiring, but well worth it |
| 16:43.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I ran to get TBC too, managed to get a Collector's Edition at 4 in the afternoon |
| 16:43.36 | cogwheel|work | heh. I stood in line for 2 hours the night before... |
| 16:43.40 | cogwheel|work | even though I had preordered >< |
| 16:43.40 | Beladona | I ran to get a beer yesterday.... ok thats just wrong |
| 16:43.48 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel|work, lol |
| 16:44.51 | Cairenn | okay, whoever linked the brainsnap "article" - thank you, that was funny |
| 16:45.39 | Shirik | np :) |
| 16:45.43 | cogwheel|work | http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts204.html |
| 16:45.46 | Shirik | Someone posted it on my guild forums I figured I'd relay it |
| 16:45.55 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 16:45.55 | Shirik | no |
| 16:45.57 | Shirik | Beladona did |
| 16:46.01 | Shirik | I relayed it to my guild |
| 16:46.01 | Shirik | haha |
| 16:46.07 | Shirik | Things going too fast today |
| 16:47.49 | Beladona | anyone want to log into wow with me? I need to practice asassinating Jack Thompson |
| 16:49.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:49.59 | Cairenn | holy crap! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1176635740 |
| 16:50.16 | Cairenn | (pun not intended, sorry) |
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| 16:51.36 | cogwheel|work | he reallyshouldn't have gotten out of the truck... |
| 16:51.44 | Cairenn | yeah, really! |
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| 16:56.55 | Kaso | How come there isnt a single vendor in outlands that sells flint and tinder |
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| 16:58.41 | Tain | I saw that water thing the other day and my thought was who the hell is going to keep driving through it? |
| 16:58.46 | Beladona | finally -- wdn has build 6592 |
| 16:59.30 | cogwheel|work | great... http://ibtimes.com/articles/20070417/ny-spitzer-video-games.htm |
| 16:59.30 | Scre3m | Kaso, i looked EVERYWHER for some flint and tinder, too |
| 16:59.37 | Scre3m | finally went to UC and got some |
| 17:00.33 | zenzelezz | Kaso: Thottbot says there are vendors in Outlands that sell them |
| 17:00.38 | zenzelezz | some in Shattrath, Blade's Edge |
| 17:01.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh geez |
| 17:01.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i this isn't a faked screen, awesome |
| 17:01.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/381f90d883cb2bec3f8e3ccbc283a6491f74cd82/btloot1.jpg |
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| 17:14.30 | raevanmorlock | How the hell does a sewer just erupt water like that? And uh... who was filming it? |
| 17:15.13 | cogwheel|work | maybe it had been seeping through previously and it was a repair crew? or it could've been a security camera or something.. |
| 17:15.34 | raevanmorlock | a sewer security camera? |
| 17:15.47 | cogwheel|work | not necessarily for the sewer itself... |
| 17:15.52 | Gryphen | sewers do that all the time |
| 17:16.07 | raevanmorlock | They do not! |
| 17:16.14 | cogwheel|work | umm... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97060252&pageNo=1&sid=1#3 |
| 17:16.17 | Gryphen | sure they do |
| 17:17.10 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: VDOT cameras? |
| 17:17.12 | Shirik | er... DOT |
| 17:17.20 | Shirik | sorry I'm from VA, used to calling it VDOT |
| 17:17.32 | Shirik | they have those all over the place to watch for traffic |
| 17:17.53 | Shirik | how do you think all the news stations know exactly where there's traffic and where there isn;'t? |
| 17:18.03 | Shirik | You think they have people driving to all of the roads and reporting back? |
| 17:18.13 | Cide | spy sattelites! duhh |
| 17:18.20 | raevanmorlock | It was scarcely pointed at the traffic though |
| 17:18.29 | Shirik | You don't need to see the entire road |
| 17:18.42 | Shirik | obviously if a car is moving slowly there, it's moving slowly on the entire road |
| 17:19.44 | raevanmorlock | Yeah, but if you were setting up a camera to watch the road, don't you think you'd do a better job than that? The camera captures the sewer water perfectly |
| 17:20.01 | zenzelezz | why are you giving this so much thought? |
| 17:20.03 | Gryphen | dot cameras rotate, wdot cameras are often left in a position zoomed in on a previous accident or something |
| 17:20.27 | raevanmorlock | I give everything alot of thought--don't you know me at all? |
| 17:20.33 | zenzelezz | no |
| 17:20.43 | zenzelezz | I don't recall the nick from more than a short bit ago :-o |
| 17:20.50 | raevanmorlock | :P |
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| 17:21.50 | raevanmorlock | I used to be here alot under a different nick.. then I stopped playin WoW for a while.. then I was back in January.. then stopped.. and came back again 2 weeks ago.. ish |
| 17:22.57 | Gryphen | my DOT cam monitoring Google page :) http://www.gryphonllc.com/temp/2007-03-20_085559.jpg |
| 17:23.31 | raevanmorlock | see, those cams are pointed at traffic |
| 17:24.00 | Gryphen | a lot of times they point down at the ground if an accident was closer to the camera |
| 17:24.11 | Gryphen | they move around all the time |
| 17:24.23 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: I fail to see how you can argue that camera 2 is pointed at traffic |
| 17:24.32 | Gryphen | lol |
| 17:24.34 | raevanmorlock | lol camera 2 is broken! |
| 17:24.44 | cogwheel|work | There may have been water seeping from the sewer and flooding the road already |
| 17:24.46 | raevanmorlock | Either that or there's a really weird sign right in front of it |
| 17:24.50 | cogwheel|work | and that's why the camera was turned on it |
| 17:25.04 | raevanmorlock | Yeah... that kinda makes sense |
| 17:25.17 | Gryphen | or it can all be a hoax :p |
| 17:25.39 | Shirik | or |
| 17:25.44 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. my thoughts are more of a malicious nature :\ |
| 17:26.00 | Shirik | we could have made the hoax ourselves, trying to convince raevanmorlock that it's a hoax, but it's actually a hoax of a hoax! |
| 17:26.14 | Shirik | o.o |
| 17:26.22 | raevanmorlock | You guys wouldn't put that much effort into something |
| 17:26.44 | cogwheel|work | at least not something non-WoW-related... |
| 17:26.49 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:26.52 | raevanmorlock | well.. of course |
| 17:27.16 | Shirik | sure I would |
| 17:27.29 | Shirik | I'll show you something I put a ton of effort into :D |
| 17:27.35 | Shirik | and is not wow related |
| 17:27.37 | raevanmorlock | Plus.. where are you gonna get that much water? |
| 17:28.05 | Gryphen | there was 637 of us all with pickups lined with tarps |
| 17:28.16 | Gryphen | it was a very elaborate hoax |
| 17:29.14 | Shirik | something I made that is completely non-wow-related and put a ton of effort into :P http://wowi.pastey.net/13803-40xk |
| 17:29.49 | raevanmorlock | That was for school |
| 17:30.17 | Shirik | did I lie? |
| 17:30.25 | Gryphen | not sure many schools have WoW related curriculums |
| 17:31.05 | raevanmorlock | My friend listed WoW as a skill on her resume |
| 17:31.41 | raevanmorlock | She didn't get the job, but the guy did email her to tell her how funny she is |
| 17:31.45 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: what microcontroller? |
| 17:31.45 | Shirik | hrm |
| 17:31.48 | Shirik | looking at my comments |
| 17:31.54 | Shirik | "RTI Interrupts" is like saying "ATM Machine" |
| 17:32.04 | Shirik | cogwheel|work: Motorola 68HCS12 |
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| 17:33.15 | raevanmorlock | That is entirely too much Assembly code |
| 17:33.22 | Shirik | It's not done yet |
| 17:33.54 | cogwheel|work | I love assembly :) |
| 17:34.37 | Shirik | I think the most fun I had with this program is |
| 17:34.39 | cogwheel|work | Especially when you find a solution to a problem that the teacher's never seen before >< |
| 17:34.42 | Shirik | trying to implement a random number generator |
| 17:35.01 | Shirik | because mersenne twister was nice and all |
| 17:35.13 | Shirik | but it requires storing 624 32-bit integers |
| 17:35.21 | Shirik | and I kinda don't have that memory space |
| 17:35.24 | Shirik | not even close |
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| 17:35.53 | cogwheel|work | how do you seed it? |
| 17:36.30 | Shirik | I have an RTI interrupt set up, called every 1ms, and a word that stores the number of milliseconds that has occurred since program start |
| 17:36.39 | Shirik | it's incremented every 1ms |
| 17:36.49 | Shirik | so to seed the generator, I use that value |
| 17:37.11 | cogwheel|work | so it's basically from the time the player starts the game then? |
| 17:37.17 | Shirik | That was really a side-effect; I made the timer because I needed to set up a delay |
| 17:37.23 | Shirik | Well, program start brings you to a main menu |
| 17:37.31 | cogwheel|work | right |
| 17:37.34 | Shirik | so from the time the player turns the device on, I guess |
| 17:37.35 | cogwheel|work | gotcha |
| 17:38.36 | cogwheel|work | So essentially it reseeds every 1ms? |
| 17:39.11 | Shirik | hm, currently yeah; that was something I did yesterday when I was unsatisfied because it had a constant seed |
| 17:39.18 | Shirik | I'm thinking about adjusting that to only seed at the very beginning |
| 17:39.40 | Shirik | currently... |
| 17:39.49 | Shirik | line 1287 reseeds |
| 17:39.54 | Shirik | which occurs every 1ms |
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| 17:44.58 | Juido | is != <> == ? |
| 17:45.07 | cogwheel|work | there is no != |
| 17:45.19 | Shirik | ~= |
| 17:45.23 | cogwheel|work | ~= |
| 17:45.27 | Juido | k thx |
| 17:47.07 | Jumpee | Is self:Foo() the same as Foo(self)? |
| 17:47.15 | Shirik | not quite |
| 17:47.47 | Shirik | table:fn(...) is syntactic sugar for table.fn(table, ...) |
| 17:48.35 | zenzelezz | I don't understand how people can still nuke Attumen... we've done him long enough for everyone in the guild to know that you die then |
| 17:49.13 | raevanmorlock | Has anyone worked with money frames before? |
| 17:49.20 | cogwheel|work | i have |
| 17:49.46 | Jumpee | So the only advantage is fewer characers to type? |
| 17:49.58 | Shirik | well it's a bit more object-oriented too |
| 17:50.03 | cogwheel|work | Jumpee: that, and it's also valuable on a conceptual level |
| 17:50.16 | cogwheel|work | it changes the way you think about the call |
| 17:50.17 | raevanmorlock | I made a template that uses 3 font strings and 2 money frames that can be injected into a tooltip.. so that instead of just a price, you can have something like <price> (<price> ea.) -- but I'm having troubles all over the place |
| 17:51.00 | Shirik | You have a function, for example, frame:SetPoint() |
| 17:51.15 | Shirik | It's pretty evident you're setting the point of frame |
| 17:51.24 | Shirik | technically, if you had "foo" which is some other frame |
| 17:51.31 | Shirik | you could also do foo.SetPoint(frame) |
| 17:51.34 | Shirik | which is exactly the same |
| 17:51.36 | cogwheel|work | what kind of troubles? |
| 17:51.38 | Shirik | but it's not as evident |
| 17:51.47 | cogwheel|work | positioning? getting them to display at all? |
| 17:52.06 | Cide | zenzelezz: "nuke"? |
| 17:52.44 | Tem | AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:52.51 | Tem | http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7928/scarpx3.jpg |
| 17:52.59 | zenzelezz | Cide: cast enough to out-aggro the tanks |
| 17:53.09 | zenzelezz | had one hunter and two casters die this time |
| 17:53.12 | Tem | That's Nick Saban's car parked outside the Bama Athletic offices |
| 17:53.25 | Tem | Aparently some LSU fans were in town and decided to give him a little present |
| 17:53.36 | Tem | on his brand new s550 |
| 17:54.17 | raevanmorlock | XML: http://wowi.pastey.net/13812 LUA: http://wowi.pastey.net/13813 |
| 17:55.18 | raevanmorlock | For one thing, I figured I could do something like getglobal(tooltip:GetName().."Extended") [which would grab the xml template I made] and set it's positioning and visibility in order to set it for the whole frame |
| 17:55.28 | Cide | hmm |
| 17:55.46 | Cide | there's a mode for lua[c] for only validating syntax, right? |
| 17:55.53 | raevanmorlock | but in order to get it to show, I have to do getglobal(tooltip:GetName().."ExtendedText1"):SetPoint and :Show() |
| 17:56.41 | raevanmorlock | And then the other thing is that the money frames are far too wide... and tooltip:SetMinimumWidth(extendedMoneyFrame:GetWidth()); keeps giving me 0 |
| 17:56.53 | raevanmorlock | (all that stuff about goldButton, silverButton, copperButton was me attempting to fix the width of the money frames) |
| 17:57.12 | cogwheel|work | I don't think it's worth trying to squeeze a money frame on the same line as text... |
| 17:58.00 | Jumpee | Thats another thing I am not clear on. Putting a . is supposed to mean a table and a key, as in Table.key is the same as Table["key"] Yes? |
| 17:58.08 | raevanmorlock | Havin two prices on seperate lines would look bad though |
| 17:58.12 | cogwheel|work | Jumpee: correct |
| 17:58.50 | cogwheel|work | you'll probably have to scale them down then... or create your own moneyframe template with different values for offsets and such |
| 17:58.57 | Jumpee | But it seems I see names such as Blah.stuff which aren't tables, just variables. Or so it seems |
| 17:59.22 | cogwheel|work | completely different concepts |
| 17:59.33 | cogwheel|work | a variable can be a table reference, a number, a string, anything... |
| 17:59.53 | Jumpee | So how do I know when a . means a table is involved or just a name? |
| 18:00.07 | cogwheel|work | it doesn't work that way... |
| 18:00.10 | Cide | . is only involved in table accesses |
| 18:00.12 | Juido | is a local variable only for one run of the sccript or will it last till i reload it ? |
| 18:00.12 | Shirik | huh? |
| 18:00.12 | cogwheel|work | . always means a table |
| 18:00.27 | Cide | >>> table = { ["hi"] = "there" }; return table.hi |
| 18:00.27 | Cide | Cide: "there" |
| 18:00.28 | Shirik | umm |
| 18:00.37 | Shirik | no variables last when you reload a script |
| 18:00.38 | Cide | >>> table = "notatable"; return table.hi |
| 18:00.38 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 18:00.52 | Shirik | in WoW's case, those variables are serialized to a file and then reinserted into your program |
| 18:00.55 | Cide | as you can see, that doesn't work |
| 18:00.58 | Shirik | only if you mark them |
| 18:01.03 | Shirik | ?? |
| 18:01.09 | Shirik | Cide that shouldn't have happened >< |
| 18:01.12 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: he asked "'till he reloads it" |
| 18:01.16 | Cide | >>> table = 32; return table.hi |
| 18:01.24 | Cide | Cide: [string "table = 32; return table.hi"]:1: attempt to index global 'table' (a number value) |
| 18:01.24 | cogwheel|work | not ofter he reloads it :P |
| 18:01.25 | Shirik | oh whoops |
| 18:01.25 | Shirik | sorry |
| 18:01.26 | cogwheel|work | s/of/af/ |
| 18:01.41 | Cide | Shirik: I was somewhat confused too, but it has the same result in-game |
| 18:01.43 | Shirik | >>> a = "notatable"; return a.hi; |
| 18:01.43 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 18:01.45 | Shirik | wierd :/ |
| 18:02.07 | raevanmorlock | Should that be an error? |
| 18:02.18 | Shirik | cogwheel|work, any thoughts? |
| 18:02.22 | Cide | raevanmorlock: nope |
| 18:02.32 | Juido | i mean if a script put something into a local, how long will the data be stored ? |
| 18:02.42 | cogwheel|work | Juido: if you do something like local a = "something"; function foo() print(a) end a will be available as long as foo still exists |
| 18:02.54 | cogwheel|work | Juido: concisely, as long as something still references it |
| 18:02.58 | Shirik | Juido: Variables are only destroyed when they are no longer possible to be accessed |
| 18:03.00 | cogwheel|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html |
| 18:03.16 | Shirik | from your perspective, you can believe that they exist forever |
| 18:03.19 | Juido | so i can redo print(a) without to put "something" again into it ? |
| 18:03.38 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: strings have string as their metatable |
| 18:03.43 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:03.47 | Shirik | nice |
| 18:03.48 | cogwheel|work | i wonder... |
| 18:04.00 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs("hello") do print(k) end |
| 18:04.00 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "for k in pairs("hello") do print(k) end"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 18:04.06 | Shirik | >>> return "notatable"["hi"]; |
| 18:04.06 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return "notatable"["hi"];"]:1: '<eof>' expected near '[' |
| 18:04.13 | Shirik | boo |
| 18:04.19 | Shirik | but that's interesting |
| 18:04.25 | cogwheel|work | >>> return ("notable")["hi"] |
| 18:04.25 | Cide | cogwheel|work: nil |
| 18:04.30 | cogwheel|work | >>> return ("notable")["format"] |
| 18:04.30 | Cide | cogwheel|work: function: 00299360 |
| 18:04.50 | Cide | ahh |
| 18:05.11 | Cide | for k in pairs(("hello")) do print(k) end |
| 18:05.13 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(("hello")) do print(k) end |
| 18:05.13 | Cide | Cide: [string "for k in pairs(("hello")) do print(k) end"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 18:05.21 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(getmetatable("hello")) do print(k) end |
| 18:05.21 | Cide | Cide: "__index" |
| 18:05.23 | Tem | Cide, luac -l |
| 18:05.33 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(getmetatable("hello").__index) do print(k) end |
| 18:05.33 | Cide | Cide: "sub", "trim", "upper", "len", "gfind", "rep", "find", "match", "char", "dump", "gmatch", "reverse", "byte", "format", "gsub", "lower" |
| 18:05.58 | Cide | should the bot execute pastey links? or validate the syntax? |
| 18:06.03 | cogwheel|work | anyway, raevanmorlock, I think what I'd do if I were writing that code is make a money frame that I add as a child of the tooltip directly and add a new method to GameTooltip's metatable that shows it |
| 18:06.09 | Cide | most pasteys will be wow-related and executing that as lua would be useless |
| 18:06.24 | Shirik | syntax validation would be interesting |
| 18:06.27 | cogwheel|work | that way its programming paradigm will parallel the current GameTooltip widget apis |
| 18:06.50 | raevanmorlock | cogwheel|work: And if you were me and didn't know how to do anything you just said? :) |
| 18:07.15 | Cide | Tem: thanks :) |
| 18:07.29 | cogwheel|work | When the tooltip is shown, do CreateFrame with your moneyframe template itself |
| 18:08.27 | cogwheel|work | then you would do something like: getmetatable(GameTooltip).AddMoney2 = function (self, params here ) -- do stuff end |
| 18:08.56 | cogwheel|work | Or possibly even modify AddMoney to dynamically create new money frames as needed :P |
| 18:09.47 | Jumpee | Is there an Lua editor that points out errors as I go along, for example, if I have left out a ')' or have too many ')'s or that I forgot to put an end after an 'if"? |
| 18:09.47 | cogwheel|work | but that wolud break any addons that happen to call AddMoney twice on the same tooltip... |
| 18:10.06 | cogwheel|work | Jumpee: anything that allows you to collapse blocks and highlights matching brackets will work |
| 18:10.22 | cogwheel|work | They don't blatantly point out errors, but they're good hints... |
| 18:10.42 | Jumpee | I downloaded SciTe, I guess I need to playwith it |
| 18:11.35 | raevanmorlock | cogwheel|work: Alright. Any idea why I need to SetPoint() and Show() on the Text1 object and not the Extended object in order to make everything appear? |
| 18:14.40 | raevanmorlock | Actually, I need to use :Show() on the extended object and :SetPoint on the text1 object |
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| 18:16.03 | Juido | lua is realy confusing me... how can be table.arg == nil if print(table.arg) give me a value ? |
| 18:16.20 | cogwheel|work | Juido: it won't |
| 18:16.58 | Juido | it does... cause it only print if table.arg is nil, but i dont get nil with the print... |
| 18:17.01 | cogwheel|work | raevanmorlock: sorry... i have to go afk for a bit |
| 18:17.13 | Cide | Juido: user error |
| 18:17.46 | Cide | >>> table = { arg = true } if ( table.arg == nil ) then print(arg); end |
| 18:17.46 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 18:17.57 | Cide | doesn't print true, hence it works fine |
| 18:18.09 | Cide | or the opposite |
| 18:18.15 | Cide | >>> table = { arg = true } if ( table.arg ~= nil ) then print(arg); end |
| 18:18.15 | Cide | Cide: { [-1] = "d:\\lua\\Lua.exe", [0] = "d:\\lua\\input.tmp" } (#1) |
| 18:18.23 | Cide | uhhhhhh |
| 18:18.24 | Juido | yes.. but my addon does print "true..." |
| 18:18.30 | Cide | >>> table = { arg = true } if ( table.arg ~= nil ) then print(table.arg); end |
| 18:18.30 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 18:18.34 | Juido | thats why im confused |
| 18:18.40 | Cide | paste your code |
| 18:19.09 | Shirik | Cide |
| 18:19.10 | Shirik | wtf was that |
| 18:19.28 | raevanmorlock | >>> print(arg) |
| 18:19.29 | Cide | raevanmorlock: { [-1] = "d:\\lua\\Lua.exe", [0] = "d:\\lua\\input.tmp" } (#1) |
| 18:19.38 | Cide | lua sets arg to the arguments passed to the lua executable I guess |
| 18:19.55 | Juido | http://wowi.pastey.net/13815 |
| 18:20.06 | raevanmorlock | That's pretty funny |
| 18:20.36 | Cide | ok so |
| 18:20.39 | Cide | what are you seeing printed? |
| 18:20.59 | Shirik | please tabulate your code correctly >< you'll thank yourself in the future |
| 18:21.20 | Cide | agreed :) |
| 18:21.32 | Juido | in my editor it is tabulate well |
| 18:21.41 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:21.55 | Shirik | also use an editor that converts tabs to spaces if you're going to be moving code between various places |
| 18:22.14 | Shirik | because a "tab" can be interpreted many ways |
| 18:22.20 | Juido | well anyway.. i made the default_chat lines to see how the logic path runs... |
| 18:22.21 | raevanmorlock | one problem: spammer.arg2+20 is only occuring when spammer.arg2 == nil (can't add a number to nil) |
| 18:22.25 | Shirik | right |
| 18:22.26 | Shirik | what gets printed? |
| 18:22.44 | Juido | in line 7 you see the spammer.arg == nil |
| 18:22.49 | Shirik | raevanmorlock wins |
| 18:23.21 | Juido | but line 14 print me the correct timpestamp |
| 18:23.24 | Shirik | spammer.arg2+20 is illegal |
| 18:23.32 | Shirik | that's a different path |
| 18:23.36 | kergoth | Shirik: arg was the old arguments table in varargs functions. cide's lua 5.1 must have been built with that compatibility option to 5.0 |
| 18:23.43 | Shirik | ah I see :) |
| 18:23.52 | Cide | no... |
| 18:23.58 | Juido | like 14 is part of a if-then inside a if-then :) |
| 18:24.11 | Cide | >>> function foo(...) print(arg) end return foo(1, 2, 3) |
| 18:24.11 | Cide | Cide: { [-1] = "d:\\lua\\Lua.exe", [0] = "d:\\lua\\input.tmp" } (#1) |
| 18:24.11 | Juido | line* |
| 18:24.12 | Shirik | Juido: line 9 is illegal |
| 18:24.19 | Shirik | I don't know if that's your problem or not, but it's wrong |
| 18:24.23 | Juido | then call the police :D |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | >< |
| 18:24.40 | kergoth | odd. |
| 18:24.51 | Shirik | >>> spammer = {arg2 = nil}; return spammer.arg2+20; |
| 18:24.51 | Cide | Shirik: [string "spammer = {arg2 = nil}; return spammer.arg2..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'arg2' (a nil value) |
| 18:25.00 | Cide | Before starting to run the script, lua collects all arguments in the command line in a global table called arg. The script name is stored at index 0, the first argument after the script name goes to index 1, and so on. Any arguments before the script name (that is, the interpreter name plus the options) go to negative indices. |
| 18:25.04 | Juido | why is it illegal ? spammer.arg2 should ne a number (timestamp), why cant i use it for math operation ? |
| 18:25.10 | Shirik | no it shouldn't |
| 18:25.12 | Cide | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#6 |
| 18:25.12 | Shirik | it should be nil |
| 18:25.20 | Shirik | line 7 asserts that spammer.arg2 == nil |
| 18:25.27 | Shirik | line 9 continues along that path doing spammer.arg2+20 |
| 18:26.21 | kergoth | Cide: that's obviously a remnant for compatibility with 5.0 scripts. I'm surprised they retained it |
| 18:26.32 | Juido | yes but how do i get a result of line 14 then ? |
| 18:26.38 | Cide | how so, kergoth? |
| 18:26.48 | Cide | it's a feature of the lua stand-alone |
| 18:27.06 | Shirik | Juido: That is an extremely good question |
| 18:27.16 | kergoth | well, a remnant for compatibility with foolish minds then :) |
| 18:27.41 | Cide | >>> time |
| 18:27.41 | Cide | Cide: function: 001D91A0 |
| 18:27.45 | Shirik | >>> return (100 > (nil + 20)) |
| 18:27.45 | Cide | >>> time() |
| 18:27.45 | Cide | Cide: 1176920850 |
| 18:27.45 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return (100 > (nil + 20))"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 18:27.48 | kergoth | people who assume arg exists. a loaded and executed string is no different from any other function at that point, '...' is the proper way to access the arguments |
| 18:27.52 | Cide | bah, Shirik beat me to it |
| 18:27.56 | raevanmorlock | if spammer.arg2 == nil then spammer.arg2 = time() end |
| 18:28.02 | Cide | >>> return ... |
| 18:28.02 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 18:28.29 | Shirik | Cide: ? |
| 18:28.37 | Cide | I'm trying to understand what kergoth is saying |
| 18:28.42 | Shirik | 14:28:36 ‹+Cide› bah, Shirik beat me to it |
| 18:28.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:28.45 | Cide | the arg table is not the result of a vararg function |
| 18:29.02 | Cide | I was about to try >>> return (100 > (nil + 20)) |
| 18:29.04 | Shirik | oh >< |
| 18:29.08 | Juido | line 7 check if spammer.arg2 = nil, right ? if so then line 9 check if time() > (spammer.arg2 + 20 ) "spammer.arg should be 20 now or not, anyway" like 14 print the timestamp value of key spammer.arg2 |
| 18:29.29 | Cide | no |
| 18:29.32 | Shirik | line 9 cannot check that |
| 18:29.39 | Shirik | because nil+20 is illegal |
| 18:29.45 | Juido | but HOW can spammer.arg2 be ANYTHING if spammer.arg2 == nil = true ? |
| 18:29.49 | Shirik | nil+20 is not 20 |
| 18:30.04 | Juido | yes ok but thats not the question atm |
| 18:30.06 | raevanmorlock | http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:30.07 | Cide | it isn't anything |
| 18:30.15 | kergoth | well, i still think its a silly way for them to have implemented that, but i was mistaken |
| 18:30.19 | kergoth | sorry about that |
| 18:30.32 | Cide | kergoth: ah, hehe :) I agree though |
| 18:30.44 | Shirik | Juido: Stupid question: Have you reloaded your UI and saved this file? |
| 18:30.56 | Shirik | because it doesn't make any sense to be getting to line 14 |
| 18:31.04 | Juido | i dont get the "trigger2" message... i get the "Trigger1" and the spammer.arg2 .. " is the timestamp |
| 18:31.14 | Juido | like 1243545125 is the timestamp |
| 18:31.17 | raevanmorlock | save the file.. then reload the UI |
| 18:31.26 | Shirik | yes, which really doesn't make sense |
| 18:31.33 | Shirik | it should die at line 9 |
| 18:31.35 | Shirik | with an error |
| 18:31.49 | Cide | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13819 |
| 18:31.50 | Cide | Cide: [string "spammer = { }..."]:4: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'arg2' (a nil value) |
| 18:32.00 | Cide | you are getting an error |
| 18:32.03 | Cide | there's no way around it |
| 18:32.06 | Juido | it doesnt |
| 18:32.07 | Shirik | hey you implemented it?! |
| 18:32.08 | Cide | if you're not, something is hiding it |
| 18:32.11 | Cide | Shirik: yep |
| 18:32.13 | Shirik | nice :D |
| 18:32.19 | Juido | dont get an error if i reload wow ui with it |
| 18:32.29 | Cide | that doesn't mean it doesn't error |
| 18:32.49 | kergoth | neat. i wonder if anyone's done a vim plugin to integrate with pasty.net yet |
| 18:33.09 | raevanmorlock | Juido: try the code at http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:33.26 | Shirik | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:33.27 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 18:33.30 | Shirik | nice :) |
| 18:34.00 | raevanmorlock | I posted it awhile ago but everyone ignored me :P |
| 18:34.03 | Shirik | Cide: What about adjusting that so DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage resolved to print() ? |
| 18:34.18 | Juido | am i blind or do you still have the "if time() > (spammer.arg2 + 20 ) then " in your code too ? |
| 18:34.35 | Shirik | Juido: Yes, but not when spammer.arg2 == nil |
| 18:34.37 | raevanmorlock | I do, but I set a value for arg2 before that in the event that arg2 is nil |
| 18:34.58 | raevanmorlock | so arg2 won't be nil when it gets to that line |
| 18:35.52 | Juido | yes i c, my original code only was " if spammer.arg then" just to check if it exist |
| 18:36.40 | Juido | but im still confused.. the if then loop only fired IF spammer.arg == nil, so how can line 14 print me a value for spammer.arg2 ?? |
| 18:36.45 | Shirik | it can't |
| 18:36.58 | Shirik | which is why I'm still convinced you're not running the same file you're showing us |
| 18:37.14 | raevanmorlock | yeah.. there is no spammer.arg in what you showed us |
| 18:37.32 | Juido | i just saved it again and reloaded it again and tried it agan.. and same.. :/ |
| 18:37.44 | Shirik | Cide's bot follows teh same pathways that all Lua interpreters (and thus, WoW) does |
| 18:37.50 | Juido | spammer.arg2 (whisper send name) |
| 18:37.51 | Shirik | and Cide's bot complained about the same line |
| 18:38.04 | Shirik | and then cancelled the operation |
| 18:38.52 | Juido | weird |
| 18:39.27 | raevanmorlock | it's priting out arg2 and the whisperer's name? |
| 18:39.32 | raevanmorlock | printing* |
| 18:39.34 | Cide | Shirik: I don't want to implement a bunch of wow stuff |
| 18:39.35 | Juido | btw, does "if spammer.arg2 then" works to check is the key/value exist ? |
| 18:39.42 | Shirik | I was only thinking that one line :P |
| 18:39.45 | Cide | yes |
| 18:39.49 | Cide | @ Juido |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik | since print is really the only thing that you can easily do |
| 18:40.03 | Shirik | but ok up to you ^^ |
| 18:40.09 | Cide | it's equivalent to "if spammer.arg2 ~= nil and spammer.arg2 ~= false then" |
| 18:40.10 | Cide | but faster |
| 18:40.43 | Shirik | if ~(spammer.arg2 == nil or spammer.arg2==true) then |
| 18:40.50 | Shirik | demorgan ftw |
| 18:41.01 | Shirik | crap |
| 18:41.04 | Shirik | that last one is == false >< |
| 18:41.12 | raevanmorlock | ftl |
| 18:43.04 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 18:43.05 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string "http://www.wowinterface.com"]:1: '<name>' expected near '/' |
| 18:43.13 | Cide | only does pastey.net |
| 18:43.49 | raevanmorlock | What do you do to determine it's a pastey.net link? |
| 18:44.02 | Cide | regexps :) |
| 18:44.12 | Cide | I currently use... |
| 18:44.13 | Cide | if re.match(r'^(?:http://)?([a-zA-Z0-9]+\.)?pastey.net/[0-9]+$', msg): |
| 18:45.19 | Cide | probably need to make the subdomain match a bit more liberal |
| 18:45.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.156.29) |
| 18:45.28 | raevanmorlock | >>> pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:45.30 | Cide | but I'm unsure of what characters are allowed in subdomains |
| 18:45.39 | Cide | try again |
| 18:45.41 | raevanmorlock | >>> pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:45.46 | Cide | hm |
| 18:45.49 | Cide | try with http:// |
| 18:46.04 | raevanmorlock | you could add an underscore to the subdomain thing.. but I don't think pastey uses it |
| 18:46.12 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:46.13 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 18:46.17 | Kaso | "[a-zA-Z0-9]+" isnt that just incredibly long way of writing %w+ |
| 18:46.24 | Cide | might be! |
| 18:46.29 | Shirik | Kaso: That's what I use too :P |
| 18:46.30 | raevanmorlock | yes, it is |
| 18:46.39 | Shirik | Cide: Don't worry I think like you ^^ |
| 18:46.43 | Shirik | I don't use any of those shortcuts :P |
| 18:47.04 | Shirik | and... note it's a regex not a lua pattern |
| 18:47.09 | raevanmorlock | I think \w might include the underscore.. If orget |
| 18:47.11 | Shirik | don't really know if regexes support that |
| 18:47.14 | Shirik | I think it's \\w |
| 18:47.20 | Shirik | (\w but you have to escape the \) |
| 18:47.40 | Cide | I use r'' |
| 18:47.42 | Cide | so it'd be \w |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | r' that is |
| 18:48.33 | Shirik | also |
| 18:48.35 | Shirik | in pastey.net |
| 18:48.40 | Shirik | shouldn't that be pastey\.net ? |
| 18:48.42 | Cide | err, yeah |
| 18:48.50 | Cide | it should! |
| 18:48.51 | raevanmorlock | good catch |
| 18:48.59 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://www.pasteysnet/13818 |
| 18:49.02 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Invalid pastey link found. Please use the format '[subdomain].pastey.net/[id]'." |
| 18:49.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge gnorlish (n=jaydee@cpe-76-81-38-253.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 18:49.53 | Shirik | also Cide, one more thing |
| 18:49.56 | Shirik | change the end bit to |
| 18:50.01 | Shirik | [0-9\-]+ |
| 18:50.07 | Cide | what for? |
| 18:50.14 | Shirik | ex: |
| 18:50.18 | Cide | oh, the secure ones contain different chars |
| 18:50.21 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/13815-ca1y |
| 18:50.26 | Shirik | actualyl you need letters too yeah |
| 18:50.28 | Cide | that'd be |
| 18:50.35 | Cide | [\w-] |
| 18:50.37 | Shirik | [0-9\-a-zA-Z] |
| 18:50.43 | Shirik | or that |
| 18:50.44 | Cide | try now |
| 18:50.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dinesh_ (n=chatzill@146.145.196.188) |
| 18:50.49 | Shirik | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13815-ca1y |
| 18:50.51 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 18:50.52 | Shirik | :) |
| 18:51.10 | raevanmorlock | >>> pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:51.17 | Cide | doesn't like that |
| 18:51.24 | raevanmorlock | Shouldn't it bitch at me? |
| 18:51.30 | Cide | urllib wants www or http:// I guess |
| 18:51.46 | raevanmorlock | >>> wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:51.55 | Shirik | that's not www |
| 18:52.10 | raevanmorlock | >>> www.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:52.23 | Shirik | ok so guessing this urlib wants http |
| 18:52.23 | Cide | guess it wants http! one sec |
| 18:52.29 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 18:52.41 | raevanmorlock | pastey.net/13818 actually doesn't exist |
| 18:52.49 | raevanmorlock | so teh wowi is important too |
| 18:52.50 | Shirik | then it would say so |
| 18:53.06 | Cide | try now |
| 18:53.08 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.14 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://www.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.17 | Cide | bah, different error |
| 18:53.31 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.36 | Cide | try now |
| 18:53.39 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 18:53.43 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.156.29) |
| 18:53.44 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 18:53.51 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://www.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.52 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 18:53.55 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:53.56 | Cide | raevanmorlock: nil |
| 18:54.01 | raevanmorlock | nice |
| 18:54.10 | Cide | >>> wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:54.11 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 18:54.12 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13812 |
| 18:54.13 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string "<Ui xmlns="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" xmlns:xsi="http://w..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '<' |
| 18:54.25 | Shirik | that's not lua you tool |
| 18:54.28 | Kaso | haha |
| 18:54.32 | raevanmorlock | I wanted to see what'd happen |
| 18:54.35 | Kaso | xml is fun! |
| 18:54.41 | raevanmorlock | >>> pastey.net/13818 |
| 18:54.42 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 18:54.42 | leethal | pwnd |
| 18:54.48 | raevanmorlock | there ya go |
| 18:55.10 | Kaso | how do you check for lua cide? |
| 18:55.31 | raevanmorlock | >>> pastey.net/images |
| 18:55.32 | Cide | regexp for <textarea [^>]>(.+?)</textarea><br/> |
| 18:55.32 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 18:55.45 | Cide | [^>]+? that is |
| 18:56.29 | Cide | doesn't actually care whether the language is lua or not |
| 18:56.30 | raevanmorlock | ah, so you're reading it from the textarea below that repastes it instead of from the color-coded display |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13822 |
| 18:56.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@74.92.248.14) |
| 18:56.41 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 18:56.43 | Cide | yup, raevanmorlock |
| 18:56.44 | Shirik | good good |
| 18:56.57 | Shirik | you pulled over all your safeties |
| 18:56.59 | Kaso | what if i did something like print"<<<<awesome text or something here>>>>" |
| 18:57.05 | Cide | try it? :) |
| 18:57.13 | Cide | Shirik: abstraction ftw? :P |
| 18:57.17 | Shirik | yeah :D |
| 18:57.21 | Shirik | btw Cide I think... |
| 18:57.25 | Shirik | that's not supposed to be .+? |
| 18:57.32 | Cide | actually |
| 18:57.33 | Shirik | It should be .+ |
| 18:57.33 | Kaso | >>> http://pastey.net/13823 |
| 18:57.35 | Cide | Kaso: "<<<OMGAWESOME>>>" |
| 18:57.36 | Cide | why? |
| 18:57.39 | Kaso | ooh |
| 18:57.40 | Shirik | because... |
| 18:57.42 | Shirik | here let me show you |
| 18:57.50 | Cide | I don't even use that code, but still |
| 18:57.56 | Cide | match = re.search(r'<textarea [^>]+?>([^<]+?)</textarea><br/>', text, re.MULTILINE) |
| 18:58.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@74.92.248.14) |
| 18:58.18 | Cide | still, show me why :) |
| 18:58.33 | Shirik | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13826 |
| 18:58.34 | Cide | Shirik: "</textarea><br/>" |
| 18:58.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:59.11 | raevanmorlock | The +? ensures he finds a sooner than later match |
| 18:59.11 | Cide | checked that already ;) |
| 18:59.12 | Cide | print("</textarea><br/>"); |
| 18:59.16 | Shirik | right |
| 18:59.25 | Shirik | no Cide I mean.. . shouldn't that match |
| 18:59.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:59.34 | Shirik | right |
| 18:59.40 | Shirik | because pastey messes with my code |
| 18:59.41 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:59.41 | Cide | it's all html entities |
| 19:00.01 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: That's exactly why I thought it should be + and not +? |
| 19:00.12 | Shirik | because you want the later rather than sooner |
| 19:00.22 | raevanmorlock | Oh, you mean in this part: ([^<]+?) |
| 19:00.25 | Shirik | but, it doesn't matter in this case because pastey html encodes |
| 19:00.26 | Cide | but since it escapes it, it's faster with sooner |
| 19:00.43 | Shirik | right |
| 19:00.51 | raevanmorlock | I was thinkin in the part before that |
| 19:01.01 | raevanmorlock | the [^>]+? |
| 19:01.07 | Shirik | that has to be +? |
| 19:01.12 | raevanmorlock | Right |
| 19:01.17 | Cide | I kinda want to move the url open part into the thread... but that's messy |
| 19:02.28 | Cide | hmm, so |
| 19:02.37 | Cide | where does luac -l output syntax errors? |
| 19:03.12 | Cide | actually, nvm |
| 19:03.15 | Shirik | not stdout? |
| 19:03.26 | Cide | -o "file" output to file, instead of the default luac.out. The output file can be a source file because all files are loaded before the output file is written. |
| 19:03.32 | raevanmorlock | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13828 |
| 19:03.33 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "bob" |
| 19:04.51 | leethal | what exactly is the point of echoing pastes in here? |
| 19:05.10 | leethal | isn't the point of pasting on pastey.net to avoid pasting lua in here? |
| 19:05.21 | Cide | it echoes the result |
| 19:07.43 | leethal | ah |
| 19:07.46 | leethal | clever |
| 19:07.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 19:08.35 | Cide | let's see |
| 19:09.10 | raevanmorlock | hey.. I'm bug-testing in here |
| 19:09.21 | Cide | try now :) |
| 19:09.35 | raevanmorlock | gah you fixed it already |
| 19:09.49 | Cide | hmm, try this someone |
| 19:10.35 | Cide | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 19:10.38 | Cide | copy&paste that |
| 19:10.51 | raevanmorlock | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 19:10.58 | raevanmorlock | awesome! |
| 19:11.02 | raevanmorlock | I killed him |
| 19:11.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (n=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:11.15 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 19:11.22 | leethal | pwnd |
| 19:11.27 | Cide | ok, don't try that |
| 19:11.33 | raevanmorlock | lmao |
| 19:11.36 | raevanmorlock | What'd it do? |
| 19:12.05 | raevanmorlock | And how come nothing happened when you did it? |
| 19:12.06 | Cide | I forgot to add -t to the luac call |
| 19:12.18 | Cide | because.. :) |
| 19:12.40 | raevanmorlock | I can't exploit your bot as easily if you keep secrets from me |
| 19:12.42 | Cide | so it tried to print the file's compiled contents |
| 19:13.14 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 19:13.14 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 19:13.20 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 19:13.20 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 19:13.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Telrin (n=test@shandalar.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:13.59 | raevanmorlock | what are you doing? |
| 19:13.59 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 19:13.59 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 19:14.12 | Cide | trying to add syntax validation |
| 19:14.52 | raevanmorlock | I thought it already had that with the error checking |
| 19:15.51 | Cide | no, not really |
| 19:16.19 | raevanmorlock | or do you mean like.. making sure things are tabbed and spaced correctly? |
| 19:16.29 | Cide | nah |
| 19:16.37 | Cide | >>> abc() |
| 19:16.37 | Cide | Cide: [string "abc()"]:1: attempt to call global 'abc' (a nil value) |
| 19:16.43 | Cide | errors, even though it is syntactically correct |
| 19:17.13 | raevanmorlock | >>> abc(); return 1 |
| 19:17.13 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string "abc(); return 1"]:1: attempt to call global 'abc' (a nil value) |
| 19:17.25 | Shirik | Cide, what about.... |
| 19:17.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge stavmar (n=chatzill@fw2.isgenesis.com) |
| 19:18.05 | raevanmorlock | Seems like the right response to me.. aside maybe from that [string "blah"] stuff |
| 19:18.31 | Shirik | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = faketable; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); abc(); |
| 19:18.32 | Cide | Shirik: [string "faketable = {}; faketable.__index = faketab..."]:1: attempt to call global 'abc' (a nil value) |
| 19:18.34 | Shirik | hrm |
| 19:18.41 | Cide | raevanmorlock: right, there is no abc, so therefore it's correct.. but it's syntactically correct, like I said |
| 19:18.55 | Cide | it's perfect lua syntax |
| 19:19.07 | Shirik | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = {faketable}; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); abc(); |
| 19:19.07 | Cide | Shirik: [string "faketable = {}; faketable.__index = {faketa..."]:1: attempt to call global 'abc' (a nil value) |
| 19:19.17 | raevanmorlock | maybe I'll understand once ya got it working |
| 19:19.45 | Shirik | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatalbe(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); abc(); |
| 19:19.45 | Cide | Shirik: [string "faketable = {}; faketable.__index = functio..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 19:19.47 | Shirik | blah |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 19:20.21 | Shirik | misspelled setmetatable |
| 19:20.28 | Shirik | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); abc(); |
| 19:20.29 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 19:20.31 | Shirik | :D |
| 19:20.32 | Shirik | I win! |
| 19:20.41 | Shirik | how about that cide? |
| 19:20.59 | Cide | nah |
| 19:21.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:21.07 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 19:21.14 | Cide | that wouldn't work with other stuff, like.. |
| 19:21.32 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.36 | Cide | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); foo.abc(); |
| 19:21.36 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 19:21.39 | Cide | or would it |
| 19:21.41 | Cide | you bastard |
| 19:21.45 | Shirik | :) |
| 19:21.55 | Shirik | it recursively sets the metatable |
| 19:21.58 | Cide | would that take care of all of it though? |
| 19:21.59 | raevanmorlock | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); foo.abc; |
| 19:21.59 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string "faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {};..."]:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 19:22.41 | Shirik | when it encounters an unknown variable, it makes it a table and sets its metatable to "faketable." Thus, if you try to index that unknown variable, it creates foo.bar = {}, and sets the metatable of foo.bar to faketable |
| 19:22.44 | Shirik | and continues on |
| 19:22.45 | Cide | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); a.b.c = true |
| 19:22.45 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 19:22.53 | Cide | I guess |
| 19:22.58 | Cide | that's a huge hack though |
| 19:23.06 | Shirik | is the only way I can think of doing it :/ |
| 19:23.34 | raevanmorlock | How come foo.abc() returns nil and foo.abc errors? |
| 19:23.35 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: See how much fun metatables are :D |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik | foo.abc() is legal |
| 19:23.50 | Shirik | foo.abc isn't a statement |
| 19:24.02 | raevanmorlock | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); return foo.abc; |
| 19:24.02 | Cide | raevanmorlock: { } (#1) |
| 19:24.18 | Shirik | that is legal |
| 19:24.24 | raevanmorlock | my bad |
| 19:25.00 | Cide | >>> pcall(function() foo=; end) |
| 19:25.00 | Cide | Cide: [string "pcall(function() foo=; end)"]:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 19:25.19 | Cide | >>> loadstring("foo=;") |
| 19:25.19 | Cide | Cide: nil, "[string \"foo=;\"]:1: unexpected symbol near ';'" |
| 19:25.28 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 19:25.31 | Shirik | I can't believe I didn't think of that |
| 19:25.51 | Shirik | that's so obvious |
| 19:26.12 | Shirik | loadstring() does its own syntax validation |
| 19:26.17 | Shirik | it has to |
| 19:26.29 | Shirik | I still like my way of doing it :D |
| 19:26.36 | raevanmorlock | So you can use that instead of your faketable? |
| 19:26.42 | Shirik | I'm kinda impressed that it worked, really |
| 19:26.43 | Shirik | my method |
| 19:26.47 | Shirik | I didn't think I could do that |
| 19:27.28 | Shirik | plus, that fixes the problem of |
| 19:27.39 | Shirik | >>> faketable = {}; faketable.__index = function() local self = {}; setmetatable(self, faketable); return self; end; faketable.__call = function() end; setmetatable(_G, faketable); return a+b; |
| 19:27.40 | Cide | Shirik: [string "faketable = {}; faketable.__index = functio..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'a' (a table value) |
| 19:27.44 | Cide | let's see |
| 19:27.46 | Cide | >>? "hi" |
| 19:27.48 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 19:27.50 | Cide | hm |
| 19:28.17 | Cide | >>? foo=; |
| 19:28.17 | Cide | Cide: [string "foo=;"]:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 19:28.34 | raevanmorlock | >>> foo=; |
| 19:28.34 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string "foo=;"]:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 19:28.38 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Eternally777 (n=eternall@pool-72-95-3-27.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:28.54 | AnduinLothar | I don't understand this error: |
| 19:28.56 | AnduinLothar | Error: Tablet-2.0: You cannot check tablet with an unregistered parent frame. |
| 19:28.56 | AnduinLothar | File: Interface\AddOns\Khaos\Khaos.lua |
| 19:28.57 | AnduinLothar | Line: 5036 |
| 19:28.57 | AnduinLothar | Count: 1 |
| 19:28.57 | AnduinLothar | ...erface\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:96: in function `error' |
| 19:28.57 | AnduinLothar | ...erface\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\Tablet-2.0\Tablet-2.0.lua:2819: in function <...erface\AddOns\BigWigs\Libs\Tablet-2.0\Tablet-2.0.lua:2815> |
| 19:29.00 | AnduinLothar | (tail call): ? |
| 19:29.02 | AnduinLothar | Interface\AddOns\Khaos\Khaos.lua:5036: in function `RegisterAceAddons' |
| 19:29.04 | AnduinLothar | Interface\AddOns\Khaos\Khaos.lua:4784: in function <Interface\AddOns\Khaos\Khaos.lua:4779> |
| 19:29.27 | AnduinLothar | I see that it is generated by Tablet, but I'm not sure why |
| 19:30.11 | Shirik | no idea :/ |
| 19:30.19 | Shirik | but it definitely looks like a custom error |
| 19:30.30 | raevanmorlock | I've no idea what Tablet is.. but I'm guessing you have to register the parent frame before you check the tablet |
| 19:31.00 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 19:31.15 | raevanmorlock | O.o |
| 19:31.27 | AnduinLothar | well the issue is i'm calling a get func from AceConsole's registry on VARIABLES_LOADED if i call it manually after log in it doesn't error |
| 19:32.43 | AnduinLothar | perhaps maybe Khaos' VARIABLES_LOADED is firing before BigWig's which is where it registers....perhaps |
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| 19:33.44 | JoshBorke | pretty sure that ace addons don't do stuff until after PEW |
| 19:33.59 | raevanmorlock | Do you need to set Deps/OptDeps? |
| 19:35.22 | AnduinLothar | no, it needs to be able to do it without |
| 19:36.03 | AnduinLothar | k, Chronos.afterInit worked |
| 19:36.08 | AnduinLothar | thx josh |
| 19:36.18 | JoshBorke | np AL |
| 19:36.53 | JoshBorke | it'll be the same way for Dongle addons. though they can/will do stuff in OnInitialize too |
| 19:37.18 | AnduinLothar | not worrying about those yet |
| 19:37.28 | JoshBorke | whatcha working on? if you don't mind me asking |
| 19:37.32 | JoshBorke | feel free to decline to answer :-) |
| 19:37.39 | AnduinLothar | http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/WitchHunt_Khaos.jpg |
| 19:38.24 | kergoth | sweet |
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| 19:38.39 | raevanmorlock | meat is so yummy.. I don't understand how anyone can be a vegetarian |
| 19:38.41 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: thats really cool man |
| 19:38.44 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: that is SWEET |
| 19:38.49 | JoshBorke | purl, applaud AnduinLothar |
| 19:38.51 | purl | ACTION pins AnduinLothar to the wall with steak knives, then gives AnduinLothar a hanging ovation |
| 19:38.59 | AnduinLothar | ouch |
| 19:39.00 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:39.05 | JoshBorke | oh dear |
| 19:39.17 | raevanmorlock | it must be purl's time of the month |
| 19:40.49 | raevanmorlock | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 19:41.07 | raevanmorlock | he didn't fix that yet? |
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| 19:41.18 | raevanmorlock | sorry Cide |
| 19:41.27 | leethal | you can tell addons to make screenshots, right? |
| 19:41.47 | Gryphen | yes |
| 19:42.04 | AnduinLothar | Screenshot() |
| 19:42.16 | leethal | clever |
| 19:43.48 | raevanmorlock | purl, poke Cide |
| 19:43.53 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:44.33 | cogwheel|away | you guys sure had fun while i was away :P |
| 19:44.56 | raevanmorlock | You say that as though you're ever here |
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| 19:48.28 | raevanmorlock | I didn't do it that time! |
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| 19:51.16 | Shadowed | <lazy> |
| 19:51.16 | Shadowed | ~devtools |
| 19:51.17 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 19:51.51 | leethal | </lazy> ? |
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| 19:52.02 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 19:52.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:52.10 | cogwheel|work | Error: </lazy> expected near EOF |
| 19:52.14 | Cide | there we go |
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| 19:52.24 | raevanmorlock | ~mallows |
| 19:52.26 | purl | mallows are at http://www.icanhascheezburger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/i-is-not-a-mallow.jpg |
| 19:52.37 | Shadowed | haha |
| 19:52.45 | raevanmorlock | neat! |
| 19:52.51 | Cide | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/13818 |
| 19:52.52 | Cide | Cide: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 19:53.34 | raevanmorlock | No more crashing, Cide? |
| 19:53.34 | Cide | nope |
| 19:53.34 | raevanmorlock | That's good... :( |
| 19:53.34 | Cide | >>? <code> is syntax for syntax checking |
| 19:53.38 | raevanmorlock | >>? "test" |
| 19:53.39 | Cide | raevanmorlock: [string ""test""]:1: unexpected symbol near '"test"' |
| 19:53.54 | cogwheel|work | shouldn't work for plain values |
| 19:54.02 | raevanmorlock | >>? return "test" |
| 19:54.02 | Cide | raevanmorlock: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 19:54.28 | raevanmorlock | >>? return test |
| 19:54.28 | Cide | raevanmorlock: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 19:54.33 | raevanmorlock | that's nifty |
| 19:57.28 | cogwheel|work | did you konw taht if you tpye wrods wtih mxeid up ltertes lkie tihs it's siltl fraliy esay to raed? |
| 19:57.38 | Cide | yup :) |
| 19:57.48 | Kirkburn|afk | What the hell did you just say, cogwheel|work ? :) |
| 19:57.50 | raevanmorlock | .. that was scary |
| 19:57.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't you type proper? |
| 19:58.05 | cogwheel|work | ly |
| 19:58.13 | Kirkburn|afk | ly2 |
| 19:58.22 | raevanmorlock | ~ly |
| 19:58.30 | purl | i guess ly is Libya |
| 19:58.30 | Cide | as long as the initial and final letter are the same, I believe |
| 19:58.30 | Cairenn | what's scary is that the statement is correct |
| 19:58.31 | AnduinLothar | that's why i stoped correctign most of my common typos liket his. |
| 19:58.32 | cogwheel|work | Cide: yep |
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| 19:59.54 | Cairenn | now THAT was freaky coincidental ;) |
| 20:01.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting reading about the whole swapped letters thing: http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000840.php |
| 20:02.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Also here: http://www.bisso.com/ujg_archives/000224.html |
| 20:02.08 | raevanmorlock | What's that last word in the first paragraph? Cheerio? |
| 20:02.13 | cogwheel|work | I had a hard time with Cheerio |
| 20:02.17 | cogwheel|work | silly limeys... |
| 20:02.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Aha! |
| 20:02.24 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/ |
| 20:02.30 | Kirkburn|afk | ^ a proper page about it all |
| 20:03.30 | Kirkburn|afk | An example of when it doesn't work: "A dootcr has aimttded the magltheuansr of a tageene ceacnr pintaet who deid aetfr a hatospil durg blendur" |
| 20:03.42 | raevanmorlock | That's really scary how easy it is to read.. |
| 20:04.17 | raevanmorlock | cancer patient.. drug blender? Yeah that's hard |
| 20:04.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Still follows the last and first letter rule :) |
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| 20:04.52 | cogwheel|work | manslaughter was hard... |
| 20:05.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn, was that it? |
| 20:05.40 | cogwheel|work | it probably has a threshhold of a) frequency of use and b) length of the word |
| 20:05.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought it sounded it could have been some kind of dinosaur :P |
| 20:06.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed |
| 20:06.08 | Kirkburn|afk | 2 and 3 letter words can't change |
| 20:06.17 | Kirkburn|afk | 4 letter words only swap the middle letters |
| 20:07.30 | cogwheel|work | it may also depend on how many letters have risers & descenders... |
| 20:10.13 | raevanmorlock | I find it funny how you guys keep mentioning the same things as the article |
| 20:10.57 | Cide | In veiw, a hbulme viidealluan vraeetn, csat vliouiracsy as btoh vtiicm and viallin by the vudcisisetis of ftae. |
| 20:11.13 | raevanmorlock | oh oh oh.. umm... |
| 20:11.21 | raevanmorlock | V for Vendetta! |
| 20:11.43 | Cide | would probably be harder if it wasn't of somewhat well-known origin :P |
| 20:12.18 | raevanmorlock | I have no idea what half those words are... but having them all start with v preserves the sound of the overall phrase enough to recognize it |
| 20:12.33 | raevanmorlock | and with that.. I'm off to class. laters. |
| 20:12.45 | Cide | In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. |
| 20:13.16 | Cairenn | only one I hadn't managed to figure out was vaudevillian |
| 20:13.19 | raevanmorlock | That's sick that you know that.. really.. you should get that checked out. :) |
| 20:15.18 | Cide | vudcisisetis is pretty tricky too in my opinion |
| 20:15.51 | Cairenn | naw, had that one right off |
| 20:15.58 | Cide | I didn't :) |
| 20:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Vicissitude? |
| 20:18.30 | Kirkburn|afk | lol, someone already did that :( |
| 20:18.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Well I managed it without the translation too ;) |
| 20:19.19 | Cide | oh |
| 20:19.20 | Cide | Cairenn: |
| 20:19.27 | Cide | I missed a 'v' in vaudevillian, that might be why :P |
| 20:19.40 | Cairenn | could be |
| 20:19.44 | Cairenn | naw |
| 20:19.46 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.50 | Cide | haha :) /hug |
| 20:20.00 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:20.41 | Shirik | I always miss the huggage :( |
| 20:20.51 | Cairenn | I hugged you earlier |
| 20:21.04 | Shirik | you did? |
| 20:21.22 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:21.25 | Cide | bah |
| 20:21.32 | Cide | that's when you are like "just kidding! you suck!" |
| 20:21.40 | Cairenn | nope |
| 20:21.40 | Shirik | the last relevant ping in my log is |
| 20:21.42 | Shirik | 22:25:28 ‹Zicon› Shirik: Oooh. Talk nerdy to me, baby. |
| 20:21.42 | Shirik | [#wowi-lounge] - [17/04/2007] |
| 20:22.24 | Shirik | I think she's making it up, but I don't care :( I'm used to being lonely |
| 20:22.25 | Cairenn | (11:07:26 AM) ***zenzelezz sneaks up on Cairenn and steals a hug |
| 20:22.25 | Cairenn | (11:07:36 AM) Cairenn: :) |
| 20:22.39 | Shirik | =P |
| 20:22.42 | Cairenn | (11:09:12 AM) ***Shirik steals a hug from Cairenn too |
| 20:22.42 | Zicon | Wuh? |
| 20:22.47 | Cairenn | (11:09:25 AM) Cairenn: :) |
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| 20:22.50 | Shirik | Haha Hi Zicon |
| 20:22.54 | Cairenn | (11:10:09 AM) ***leethal wonders if Cairenn responds with ":)" if he steals a hug *steals a hug* |
| 20:23.04 | Cairenn | (11:10:18 AM) Cairenn: *chuckles* |
| 20:23.04 | Cairenn | (11:10:20 AM) zenzelezz: darn copycats |
| 20:23.04 | Cairenn | (11:10:22 AM) ***Cairenn hugs the channel |
| 20:23.09 | Cairenn | see? hug |
| 20:23.20 | Shirik | ok... you get off this time |
| 20:23.50 | Shadowed | wow way to spam the channel Cairenn |
| 20:23.54 | Cairenn | Shirik: I ge ... errrr, nm |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | >< |
| 20:25.04 | Cairenn | hehehe, Kirkburn|afk knew where I was going with that ;) |
| 20:25.51 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 20:26.12 | Shirik | Anyway time for lab; Cairenn, prod Kudane again for me when you get a chance :) |
| 20:26.23 | Cairenn | later Shirik |
| 20:29.56 | Cide | what about... vifocnasuhg |
| 20:30.07 | Cide | might be too hard out of context |
| 20:30.10 | Shirik|AFK | huh? |
| 20:30.21 | Cide | aren't you doing a lab? :P |
| 20:30.34 | Cide | first and last letter are correct, the rest are misplaced |
| 20:30.58 | Shirik|AFK | I'd write a program to handle that before I try anything >< |
| 20:31.18 | Cide | it's not hard in a context |
| 20:31.30 | Cide | cogwheel|work> did you konw taht if you tpye wrods wtih mxeid up ltertes lkie tihs it's siltl fraliy esay to raed? |
| 20:31.36 | Shirik|AFK | yeh |
| 20:31.39 | Shirik|AFK | seen that before |
| 20:31.48 | Shirik|AFK | that's because your brain doesn't read letters, it reads words |
| 20:31.54 | Cide | yep |
| 20:31.59 | Cide | but can you read the word I typed? :P |
| 20:32.09 | Shirik|AFK | I've been trying to for about 2 minutes now |
| 20:32.18 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
| 20:32.19 | Shirik|AFK | fine, I'll go |
| 20:32.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I want to gossip about you :) |
| 20:32.24 | Cide | haha |
| 20:32.32 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: did you see the syntax stuff? |
| 20:32.37 | Cide | >>? a.b.c = true |
| 20:32.37 | Cide | Cide: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 20:33.14 | Shirik|AFK | nice |
| 20:33.17 | Shirik|AFK | I still like my method! |
| 20:33.24 | Cide | mine is easier ;) |
| 20:33.30 | Shirik|AFK | and more correct |
| 20:33.32 | Cide | I already had everything I needed |
| 20:33.34 | Cide | I don't use luac btw |
| 20:33.43 | Shirik|AFK | if I wanted to make mine work, I'd have to implement every metamethod |
| 20:33.50 | Cide | we already grab the return value from loadstring, which contains the syntax errors |
| 20:33.52 | Shirik|AFK | um... Cide, you used loadstring() didn't you? |
| 20:33.53 | Shirik|AFK | yeh |
| 20:35.42 | Cide | hmm.. random question: are wii's intra-regional or whatever you want to call it? |
| 20:35.58 | Cide | i.e. can I buy one in the US and buy the games in sweden? |
| 20:36.18 | Ktron | \quit |
| 20:36.19 | Ktron | \exit |
| 20:36.23 | Ktron | lol |
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| 20:46.25 | Shadowed | Cide: Pretty sure you can, if I recall we bought one from Japan for a present that was for US games |
| 20:47.36 | Shadowed | I couldn't really think of any reason why a Wii wouldn't work for different regions |
| 20:48.07 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, poke |
| 20:49.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Pong |
| 20:49.46 | Cide | Shadowed: well I want to make sure before I buy one in the us! |
| 20:50.14 | Shadowed | Cide: Let me check eBay history i'll find out |
| 20:51.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Kaso, poke |
| 20:51.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Tem, pong pong pong |
| 20:51.25 | Kaso | You rang m'lord |
| 20:51.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Why you no be where you should be? |
| 20:51.55 | Shadowed | eBay doesn't have the history anymore, I don't think you'd have a problem though Cide |
| 20:52.01 | Kaso | oh in wowwiki |
| 20:52.03 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 20:52.16 | Kaso | cos im on my window and it aint in my perform on this and i keep forgetting to manually join |
| 20:52.43 | Cide | http://www.google.com/search?q=wii+region+lock |
| 20:52.52 | Kaso | My Linux hard drive is pretty much dead and im too scared to use it incase i loose my data |
| 20:52.59 | Cide | seems to say the opposite.. but I can't find the actual restrictions |
| 20:53.37 | Juido | how can i print the name of a table key ? |
| 20:55.00 | Juido | player1 = {name = "Ossler", gold = 1000, lebt = true} <- i want to print "gold" and not "1000" |
| 20:55.26 | Cide | uhm |
| 20:55.30 | Cide | how are you printing it? |
| 20:56.08 | Juido | print(player1.gold) will be 1000 if im right... how can i print gold if i use player1.arg2 |
| 20:56.29 | Cide | uhm |
| 20:56.54 | Cide | player1.arg2 would not print 1000 if arg2 = "gold" |
| 20:56.58 | Cide | you'd have to do player1[arg2] |
| 20:57.04 | Cide | and in that case, just print(arg2) instead |
| 20:57.53 | Juido | hmm.. atm i fill the table like this: if(event=="CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" and arg1=="pass") then table.ar2 = time(); |
| 20:58.23 | Juido | how can i get what arg2 will be in this case if i need the playername who whisperd |
| 20:59.19 | Cide | not really sure what you're asking at all |
| 20:59.27 | Juido | let say i want the names of players who whisperd me between yesterday and today |
| 20:59.41 | Cide | how about you show with an example what you want to do |
| 20:59.56 | pastamancer | Juido: you seem to be confused about how tables work. May I recommend http://www.lua.org/pil/2.5.html |
| 21:00.54 | Juido | is use the table as a dictionary. it store the whispersender name and the timestamp when they whisperd me |
| 21:01.39 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, how good are you with photoshop? |
| 21:02.08 | Juido | i know how to get the timestamp value like table.playera or table.player2, but how can i get the keys if i dont know them ? |
| 21:02.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Tem, not used it |
| 21:02.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Keep meaning to, but haven't had a need yet |
| 21:02.44 | Tem | why did I think you were graphic designer? |
| 21:02.52 | Kirkburn|afk | I do stuff on Fireworks |
| 21:03.05 | Tem | oh |
| 21:03.07 | Tem | hmm |
| 21:03.13 | Tem | I know nothing about firewooks |
| 21:03.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Atm, it's just a hobby, someday I want to spend more time on that stuff |
| 21:04.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Over the summer I'm planning on doing website stuff, so I'll have to try it out then |
| 21:04.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, why? |
| 21:05.51 | Juido | @pastamancer: a table has a key and a value, right ? |
| 21:06.02 | TC_Working | photoshop = good, but illistrator is better for websites |
| 21:06.25 | Juido | like a.x = 10 -- same as a["x"] = 10 |
| 21:06.52 | pastamancer | a.x is the same as a["x"], which is not the same as a[x] |
| 21:07.45 | Juido | so print(a.x) -- same as print(a["x"]) , that will print 10, right ? |
| 21:08.03 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, I'm trying to recreate the wmp11 play button and failing miserably |
| 21:08.05 | cogwheel|work | Juido: you probably want something more like: tbl = { ["Cogwheel"] = 123, ["Shirik"] = 345 } |
| 21:08.06 | pastamancer | >>> x = "y"; t = {}; t.x = "1"; t[x] = "2"; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k, v) end |
| 21:08.06 | Cide | pastamancer: "y", "2", "x", "1" |
| 21:08.24 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, so I was hoping I could find someone who did this kind of thing all the time and would know how |
| 21:08.33 | Kirkburn|afk | TC_Working, yeah, I'm going to try and get hold of CS3 |
| 21:08.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Tem, can't really help :( |
| 21:08.52 | Tem | :( |
| 21:08.57 | cogwheel|work | Juido: (but I'm only inferring that based on what you've written here... I can't really say for sure what your ultimate goal is) |
| 21:09.05 | Juido | yes cogwheel and i want to print "Cogwheel" not 123 |
| 21:09.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Which WMP icon again? |
| 21:09.22 | Kirkburn|afk | The one used in Vista is different |
| 21:09.25 | cogwheel|work | What is the input? |
| 21:09.40 | cogwheel|work | i.e., you have one piece of information, and you want to output the name |
| 21:09.41 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, I'm talking about the vista version |
| 21:09.47 | cogwheel|work | what is that piece of information you have? |
| 21:09.48 | Kirkburn|afk | The square one? |
| 21:09.59 | Juido | print(tbl.cogwheel) = 123, right ? |
| 21:10.13 | cogwheel|work | yes, but that may be irrelevant to your goal |
| 21:10.27 | pastamancer | how do you know you want tbl.cogwheel? |
| 21:10.27 | cogwheel|work | I don't think you've clearly described what you're trying to accomplish |
| 21:10.54 | Juido | damn hard to translate it from german to english :D |
| 21:10.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Tem, hmm, no, not sure of anywhere that helps - if I come across a website with some info that seems useful, I'll link you |
| 21:11.01 | cogwheel|work | ping wereHamster |
| 21:11.02 | Tem | thanks, Kirkburn|afk |
| 21:11.15 | Cide | Juido: if you're doing tbl.cogwheel, then the cogwheel part is hardcoded |
| 21:11.39 | Juido | how can i print the name of a table key but not the value ? |
| 21:11.53 | cogwheel|work | that's kind of a silly question |
| 21:11.54 | Cide | how do you know the key? |
| 21:12.05 | cogwheel|work | you have to know the key in the first place in order to print it |
| 21:12.11 | Juido | the sesult of my print shall be "cogwheel" not 123 |
| 21:12.11 | cogwheel|work | unless you're iterating the whole table |
| 21:12.15 | Juido | result* |
| 21:12.24 | Cide | if you do print(tbl.cogwheel) |
| 21:12.28 | Cide | just do print("cogwheel") instead |
| 21:12.29 | pastamancer | I get the impression that Juido is trying to make an addon that lets people whisper him to bid on items for DKP, but I'm not sure what he's trying to do with the data after receiving the whispers |
| 21:12.44 | Cide | if you do local name = "cogwheel"; print(tbl[name]), then do print(name) instead |
| 21:12.55 | cogwheel|work | Juido: are you trying to go through the list and print out names? |
| 21:13.11 | TC_Working | Tem, why not ss the button then enlarge it |
| 21:13.13 | cogwheel|work | it's meaningless to just want to print out one key... |
| 21:13.40 | Tem | TC_Working, because I need it in layers so that I can insert my own icon where the play arror would normally be |
| 21:13.44 | Juido | yes, the table fill it self by variables-- like the whisper sender name |
| 21:13.56 | Cide | Juido |
| 21:13.59 | Cide | show us the code you have |
| 21:14.03 | Cide | because honestly, you're not making much sense |
| 21:14.07 | TC_Working | hmm...so you want a graduated curve...hmm... |
| 21:14.08 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs{Cogwheel = 123, Shirik = 456, Cide} do print(k) end |
| 21:14.08 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "Shirik", "Cogwheel" |
| 21:14.20 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs{Cogwheel = 123, Shirik = 456, Cide = 657} do print(k) end |
| 21:14.20 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "Shirik", "Cogwheel", "Cide" |
| 21:14.42 | Tem | also, TC_Working, it would technically be copyright violation |
| 21:15.06 | TC_Working | tem, http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/tutorials/easiestglass/spray.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/tutorials/easiestglass/index.html&h=195&w=177&sz=10&hl=en&start=30&um=1&tbnid=DUiTj7AYBJcpSM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dglass%2Bbutton%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D100%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN and change the color? |
| 21:15.13 | leethal | O_o |
| 21:15.18 | leethal | shorturl.com |
| 21:15.26 | TC_Working | dont you mean tinyurl? |
| 21:15.38 | Juido | cogwheel, what if i only know 123, 456 ? |
| 21:15.43 | TC_Working | besides, i didnt know it was that long |
| 21:15.46 | Tem | neat |
| 21:15.55 | Juido | and dont know (k) |
| 21:16.00 | cogwheel|work | Juido: then you'd have to search through the list |
| 21:16.20 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k, v in pairs{Cogwheel = 123, Shirik = 456, Cide = 657} do if v == 456 then print(k) end end |
| 21:16.21 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "Shirik" |
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| 21:17.36 | cogwheel|work | tem, |
| 21:17.41 | Juido | no way to do a print(v) = k ? |
| 21:17.46 | Cide | Juido: no |
| 21:18.01 | cogwheel|work | all it is is a couple radial gradients |
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| 21:18.22 | Tem | cogwheel|work, that's what I thought too, but I can't recreate it |
| 21:18.31 | Juido | ok thx |
| 21:18.32 | TC_Working | so thats how Cairenn is always on line, there are more than one of them...hello Cairen1 |
| 21:18.36 | Tem | but then, I am graphically retaded |
| 21:18.39 | cogwheel|work | I have something similar I did in inkscape... let me see if I can find it.. |
| 21:19.27 | cogwheel|work | hmm... i guess it's on my old comp |
| 21:19.30 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.03 | cogwheel|work | Ok... for the background, start with a circle |
| 21:20.15 | cogwheel|work | give it a radial gradient centered at the bottom |
| 21:20.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm confused ... the Vista icon for WMP is a square |
| 21:21.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Like CD cases |
| 21:21.21 | cogwheel|work | Then make a distorted half circle at the top |
| 21:21.31 | AnduinLothar | someone wanna explain to me how AceConsole validation workd for "text" (editboxes)? |
| 21:21.47 | cogwheel|work | which you give a gradient from more transparent white in the center to less transparent white towards the edges |
| 21:22.16 | cogwheel|work | That's pretty much it except it seems to have a two-pixel wide outer circle with a gradient like the first circle position a bit higher |
| 21:22.44 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, the play icon in wmp |
| 21:23.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, okay :) |
| 21:24.17 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm annoyed ... my House DVD doesn't have the 'proper' intro song |
| 21:24.40 | Kirkburn|afk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(TV_series)#Theme_music |
| 21:25.13 | pastamancer | what song did they use on the dvd? |
| 21:27.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I can only say read that link, it's very complicated |
| 21:27.55 | cogwheel|work | Tem: Let me try to throw together an SVG for you quickly... |
| 21:28.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Safe to say, it's not Tear Drop by Massive Attack :( |
| 21:28.09 | Tem | cogwheel|work, dont' worry about it |
| 21:28.18 | Tem | the more I think about it, the more I don't think it would go with what I have |
| 21:28.23 | Tem | thanks though |
| 21:28.48 | cogwheel|work | meh... it's fun to play with glassy effects... It's really amazing how simple they are... |
| 21:28.55 | Tem | yeah |
| 21:30.49 | TC_Working | best i can do atm is a really wicket string of lignting bolts |
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| 21:31.09 | TC_Working | s/wicket/wicked/ |
| 21:41.57 | pastamancer | Kirkburn|afk: oh, that is odd |
| 21:42.12 | pastamancer | and complicated |
| 21:43.34 | pastamancer | hahaha, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/House_%28TV_series%29 |
| 21:45.03 | Kirkburn|afk | One can't get enough of House's irreverence :) |
| 21:46.56 | pastamancer | Hugh Laurie delivers it so well. I'm still waiting for Stephen Fry to guest star though. |
| 21:49.14 | Kirkburn|afk | That would be awesome |
| 21:49.40 | Zicon | That would be horrifying. |
| 21:49.47 | Zicon | Possibly in a good way, but still HORRIFYING. |
| 21:49.55 | pastamancer | oh, in the best way |
| 21:50.27 | Zicon | I'm *still* wondering what the HECK Prince George is doing as a doctor everytime I see House. |
| 21:50.31 | pastamancer | it could possibly top the control sketches on 'A Bit of Fry and Laurie' as the best Fry/Laurie moment ever |
| 21:52.30 | Tem | *sigh* I broke my dropshadow again |
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| 21:57.30 | raevanmorlock | Has anyone here ever played Starflight before? |
| 21:57.35 | TC_Working | Tem, i assume this can be adapted to a circle fairly easily http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorial/Aqua-Style-Button-with-Photoshop/7455 |
| 21:58.17 | Tem | hah! I have that very page open in another browser already |
| 21:58.25 | TC_Working | heh |
| 21:58.30 | Tem | thanks though |
| 21:58.42 | TC_Working | np, i was going down this http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorials/Photoshop/Buttons/1 list |
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| 22:00.12 | Tem | TC_Working, yeah, I think that's where I found it too |
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| 22:05.31 | foxlit | I've looked through the patch notes, but I can't seem to find anything relevant. |
| 22:05.51 | foxlit | :SetAttribute() calls sent on PreClick seem to be blocked with an error message, even outside combat. |
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| 22:07.29 | Tem | http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3775/gatekeeperskin2ea6.jpg |
| 22:07.43 | Tem | I can't decide if I like the glass effect on that |
| 22:08.23 | TC_Working | seems kindadull |
| 22:08.28 | TC_Working | kinda dull* |
| 22:08.48 | Tem | I don't know what you mean |
| 22:08.56 | TC_Working | not reflectice |
| 22:09.00 | TC_Working | very matte |
| 22:09.04 | Tem | ah |
| 22:09.37 | Tem | I don't really want it any more shiny than that |
| 22:09.47 | TC_Working | what about glow? |
| 22:10.21 | raevanmorlock | I think it's too bright |
| 22:10.25 | pastamancer | that's plenty snazzy |
| 22:10.38 | raevanmorlock | Sticks out like a sore thumb |
| 22:10.50 | TC_Working | heh, thats what tem gets for asking the penut gallery |
| 22:11.03 | TC_Working | peanut* |
| 22:11.31 | Tem | my real problem is that I'm completely lost on what to do for a button and editbox |
| 22:11.54 | TC_Working | a lock for the button, and....no ideas for the editbox |
| 22:12.23 | Tem | I tried a glassy button and it doesn't look good at all |
| 22:12.42 | raevanmorlock | Use the same thing as you have on the top? |
| 22:13.08 | Tem | you must think I can reprodce what I have on top |
| 22:13.41 | TC_Working | lol, you can |
| 22:13.41 | raevanmorlock | give me a link to the original |
| 22:14.57 | raevanmorlock | Foot-tapping was awesome in the original Sonic game |
| 22:16.41 | Gryphen | or in starflight :) |
| 22:17.08 | raevanmorlock | You could tap your foot in Starflight? |
| 22:17.53 | Gryphen | if you stood around too long |
| 22:18.37 | raevanmorlock | Interesting.. I never played the original, but I just signed up to be a part of the programming team for the sequel |
| 22:19.39 | ZealotOnAStick | I played the original Starflight, took me weeks to fully beat everything in it. |
| 22:19.49 | ZealotOnAStick | Had Starflight II as well . . . but it just wasn't quite the same. |
| 22:20.21 | foxlit | Anyone else have problems with secureframes on PTRs? :) |
| 22:20.29 | raevanmorlock | There was a 2nd already? Maybe we're making the 3rd then -- I obviously have no idea what I'm doing. |
| 22:21.02 | Gryphen | hehe already |
| 22:21.16 | ZealotOnAStick | Is this the fan-constructed sequel in spirit for it I read about on the web a year or two ago? |
| 22:21.16 | Gryphen | in the 80;s |
| 22:21.24 | ZealotOnAStick | And yeah, there was a Starflight II in like . . . I'd guess 86 or 87 maybe. |
| 22:21.37 | Gryphen | 89 |
| 22:22.17 | ZealotOnAStick | Hrm, 89. |
| 22:22.24 | raevanmorlock | ZealotOnAStick: I don't think they've been working on it that long: http://www.starflightgame.com |
| 22:23.01 | Gryphen | looks like that is a fan game |
| 22:23.39 | ZealotOnAStick | Hmm. Different one, then. |
| 22:23.44 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.starflight3.org/ is the one I was thinking of. |
| 22:23.46 | Gryphen | like starflight 3 |
| 22:25.26 | raevanmorlock | Gryphen: How would you define a fan game? |
| 22:25.49 | Gryphen | made unofficially and not commercially |
| 22:27.53 | raevanmorlock | We're official |
| 22:27.53 | raevanmorlock | http://starflightgame.com/wordpress/?page_id=5 |
| 22:28.29 | Gryphen | the same for starsiege, still a fan game |
| 22:29.36 | raevanmorlock | So then it's not about being unofficial.. it's about whether or not we're gonna charge people to play it |
| 22:29.46 | Gryphen | there is a better name than fan game |
| 22:29.50 | Gryphen | cant place it |
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| 22:31.45 | Gryphen | spiritual successor |
| 22:32.07 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 22:44.32 | foxlit | Still pestering with PTR questions |
| 22:44.52 | foxlit | frame:SetAttribute() called on frame's PreClick fails outside combat ("action not permitted, blah") |
| 22:45.08 | foxlit | Is that intended or just random PTR weirdness? |
| 22:45.52 | foxlit | (answers in form of "rtfpn [link]" are welcome :) ) |
| 22:46.44 | cladhaire | depends, is the taint issue fixed on the PTR yet? |
| 22:47.10 | raevanmorlock | The main character in Halo is a chick? |
| 22:47.12 | foxlit | I... don't know. |
| 22:47.23 | foxlit | cladhaire: Any simple way to test it? |
| 22:47.34 | cladhaire | not that i can detail at the moment |
| 22:47.36 | cladhaire | i'm exhausted. |
| 22:48.01 | foxlit | But there was something with taint/secureframes not working properly previously, right? |
| 22:49.02 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:49.35 | foxlit | Okay, than I'll just presume it's still there, since the code works on live and there seem to be no changes in notes. |
| 22:51.06 | raevanmorlock | Haloid: http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=57998 |
| 22:51.33 | foxlit | Thank you, clad :) |
| 22:56.20 | Industrial | http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9910/wowscrnshot041907005426mm9.jpg |
| 22:56.27 | Industrial | 32 druid: duuuhhhh how res work? wat res? |
| 22:56.49 | foxlit | To be fair, I didn't stock rebirth reagents until... 65ish? |
| 22:57.20 | foxlit | But at least that was a choice. |
| 22:58.12 | kaiden | Industrial, so violent! :P |
| 22:59.10 | Industrial | yah well be less french! (no offense here) |
| 23:00.12 | Industrial | he made me walk half the map too. |
| 23:00.14 | Industrial | never mind :> |
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| 23:04.33 | Industrial | Does anyone have experience with recording moview for wow? it will be pvp content and i move my screen ALOT, dunno if that matters. |
| 23:05.09 | Gryphen | fraps or gamecam |
| 23:05.12 | Industrial | k |
| 23:05.13 | leethal | move your screen a lot? |
| 23:05.48 | Industrial | er, look around insanely spinning and jumping and getting behind the enemy. I'm supposedly very anoying. |
| 23:05.53 | leethal | ah |
| 23:06.12 | Industrial | i wanna tape it and look at it later and see if i get sick :E |
| 23:08.27 | raevanmorlock | Tem: You still around? |
| 23:09.12 | Corrodias | i'm online! |
| 23:09.40 | Corrodias | rogues tend to try to spin around me. when i'm not casting spells, i'm not sure why |
| 23:09.53 | Corrodias | you can't keep a bear from casting |
| 23:10.32 | raevanmorlock | Sure ya can.. just kick him in the nuts |
| 23:10.40 | Industrial | its worth it to 'evade manually' if only for the chance that you will not be able to hit cause hes behind you. |
| 23:10.46 | Industrial | for any meelee class |
| 23:10.48 | Industrial | imho |
| 23:10.50 | leethal | will a frame:Show() call an OnShow on all it's child frames? |
| 23:11.11 | Industrial | er, that he wont be able to hit because you are behind him* |
| 23:11.48 | Tem|Work | raevanmorlock, I'm pseudo around |
| 23:11.52 | Tem|Work | need something? |
| 23:12.00 | Corrodias | i suppose |
| 23:12.05 | Corrodias | but that assumes i don't know how to use my mouse |
| 23:12.08 | raevanmorlock | I made you a button and text field: http://www.raevan.org/temsthingy.jpg |
| 23:12.20 | Corrodias | in some cases, that's true, though not with me |
| 23:12.44 | Industrial | just running straight through will do it most of the times (and is fastest) |
| 23:12.53 | Tem|Work | hmm |
| 23:13.00 | Tem|Work | I think I like the button |
| 23:13.09 | Tem|Work | but the text needs to go under the gloss effect |
| 23:13.24 | Tem|Work | and I have no idea what I think about the password box |
| 23:14.20 | raevanmorlock | I made 'em both just from copy/pasting the title bar thingy and cropping out parts and what-not |
| 23:14.21 | Tem|Work | thanks |
| 23:15.24 | raevanmorlock | I don't know how to put the gloss effect on the text since the text is white and the gloss is so subtle |
| 23:15.44 | Tem|Work | well, if I wasn't an idiot, it would still be seperate layers |
| 23:15.52 | TC_Working | *cough* |
| 23:15.57 | raevanmorlock | heh |
| 23:16.07 | Tem|Work | but I merged it for a reason that escapes me |
| 23:16.20 | TC_Working | duplicate the button, make it smei-transparent and overlay/mask it across the text |
| 23:16.55 | Tem|Work | only the top gloss effect would go over the text so that wouldn't work |
| 23:17.01 | Tem|Work | s/would/should/ |
| 23:19.00 | raevanmorlock | And it makes the text an ugly shade of blue |
| 23:19.47 | TC_Working | then fade the button out of the top and the bottom |
| 23:20.00 | TC_Working | err..from the center to the top and bottom* |
| 23:20.32 | TC_Working | hmm..nooo |
| 23:20.57 | raevanmorlock | I don't think PS6 can do alpha gradients like that |
| 23:21.12 | TC_Working | oh...i'm using cs and it does |
| 23:21.53 | TC_Working | you could always just recreate the gloss and overlay it |
| 23:22.34 | Tem|Work | I've already done that much on my end |
| 23:23.00 | Tem|Work | trying to figure out what I should do for a rolloever and pushed version |
| 23:24.03 | raevanmorlock | A pillow emboss can make a nice "pushed in" effect |
| 23:24.49 | raevanmorlock | And a simple white overlay can provide highlighting for rollover |
| 23:31.57 | TC_Working | or glow for rollover |
| 23:32.26 | raevanmorlock | Or change it to a picture of a little white kitty lost in a sea of marshmallows for rollover |
| 23:32.45 | TC_Working | or not |
| 23:32.56 | raevanmorlock | but it's an adorable picture! |
| 23:33.06 | TC_Working | but not when it's a small button |
| 23:33.22 | raevanmorlock | yeah, you're right... it should be the background image |
| 23:33.24 | TC_Working | it would look like a white mishmas |
| 23:33.29 | TC_Working | mishmash* |
| 23:33.54 | TC_Working | PIE!!, the pushed button should be PIE! |
| 23:34.11 | raevanmorlock | ~mallow |
| 23:34.30 | raevanmorlock | aw darnit.. now I need to look it up again |
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| 23:37.31 | TC_Working | ahhhhhhhh...i hate my keyboard |
| 23:38.29 | Shadowed | Anyone know of a texture available in game for a grayed out "?" icon? |
| 23:39.46 | raevanmorlock | http://www.raevan.org/temsthingymallo.jpg |
| 23:39.55 | raevanmorlock | ta-doi! |
| 23:40.25 | TC_Working | no, you have to change the text box to transparent with a black border |
| 23:40.37 | TC_Working | and the glass overlay |
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| 23:42.14 | raevanmorlock | http://www.raevan.org/temsthingymallo2.jpg |
| 23:42.20 | raevanmorlock | and I can't do the overlay |
| 23:42.39 | TC_Working | why not? |
| 23:42.39 | Shadowed | bwaha |
| 23:42.49 | raevanmorlock | I'm inept |
| 23:42.53 | TC_Working | o.... |
| 23:42.59 | TC_Working | your excused |
| 23:43.18 | TC_Working | but now you have to ride on the special buss |
| 23:43.20 | TC_Working | bus* |
| 23:43.27 | TC_Working | crap, i think i need to join you |
| 23:43.33 | raevanmorlock | I always wanted to ride on the special bus! |
| 23:45.13 | TC_Working | why? |
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| 23:46.02 | talay | good morning |
| 23:46.12 | raevanmorlock | Because it's short and stubby.... it always seemed somehow--familar |
| 23:46.38 | talay | anyone use enchantrix here? |
| 23:46.45 | raevanmorlock | never! |
| 23:47.09 | TC_Working | short and stubby.....just how i like my....err...dwarves |
| 23:47.41 | raevanmorlock | Is that what you call it? |
| 23:47.54 | TC_Working | is that what i call what? |
| 23:47.57 | raevanmorlock | s/it/them/ |
| 23:48.21 | TC_Working | well if they "fit" the bill, then thats what i call them..... |
| 23:48.29 | raevanmorlock | The little people! I call 'em gnomes. |
| 23:48.40 | TC_Working | but they arent stubby |
| 23:48.46 | *** part/#wowi-lounge talay (n=talay@203-214-2-75.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:48.59 | raevanmorlock | Yes they are |
| 23:49.22 | TC_Working | no |
| 23:49.27 | raevanmorlock | yes! |
| 23:49.31 | TC_Working | ~no raevanmorlock |
| 23:49.43 | TC_Working | well that didnt work to well |
| 23:49.59 | raevanmorlock | purl is dead.. long live Sheeba, goddess of uhmm... something |
| 23:50.21 | TC_Working | purl, hurt raevanmorlock |
| 23:50.23 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on raevanmorlock's hands, laughing all the while |
| 23:50.51 | TC_Working | payback |
| 23:52.06 | raevanmorlock | purl, hurt purl |
| 23:52.07 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on purl's hands, laughing all the while |
| 23:52.23 | TC_Working | purl, slay raevanmorlock |
| 23:52.25 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, raevanmorlock!" apt lops off raevanmorlock's head. |
| 23:52.33 | TC_Working | apt???? |
| 23:52.36 | TC_Working | sigh |
| 23:52.44 | raevanmorlock | Apt! Hardy har har |
| 23:52.47 | TC_Working | ~literal slay |
| 23:52.48 | purl | "slay" is "<reply> Kills all of a users processes.. URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/admin/idle/Slay.1.2.tar.gz" |
| 23:53.12 | TC_Working | meh, i hate how literal doesnt work for interactive commands |
| 23:53.17 | TC_Working | for some reason |
| 23:53.46 | raevanmorlock | what is literal supposed to do? |
| 23:54.05 | TC_Working | define the command |
| 23:54.15 | TC_Working | ~litteral hurt |
| 23:54.26 | TC_Working | meh interactive one |
| 23:54.52 | TC_Working | ~literal emulate Thunder_Child |
| 23:54.54 | purl | "emulate thunder_child" is "<reply>(see emulate1 Thunder_Child|see emulate2 Thunder_Child)" |
| 23:55.13 | TC_Working | it shows you the commands used to generate the effect |
| 23:55.28 | TC_Working | hmm.... |
| 23:55.39 | TC_Working | ~literal slay Thunder_Child |
| 23:55.42 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Thunder_Child!" apt lops off Thunder_Child's head. |
| 23:55.47 | TC_Working | bah! |
| 23:55.55 | TC_Working | i dont know purl well enough |
| 23:55.58 | TC_Working | err..perl* |
| 23:56.11 | raevanmorlock | I know more perl than purl |
| 23:56.25 | raevanmorlock | purl, what are you? |
| 23:56.27 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:56.41 | raevanmorlock | purl, what's a blootbot? |
| 23:58.53 | Cairenn | ~blootbot |
| 23:58.55 | purl | somebody said blootbot was an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ , I am a blootbot |
| 23:59.46 | TC_Working | a command list there is not though :( |
| 23:59.59 | raevanmorlock | use help |
