| 00:00.10 | planetWayne | I havnt got that far yet :) |
| 00:00.26 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.26 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.58 | planetWayne | your 2nd example is how I've got it at the mo. |
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| 00:02.20 | raevanmorlock | Is Frame:GetItem() an undocumented Widget API? I don't see it on the wiki. |
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| 00:04.39 | Shirik | it would appear so |
| 00:06.01 | AnduinLothar | new in one of the 2.0.* patches, check iriel's posts |
| 00:06.14 | Shirik | I just mean it's not on the wiki |
| 00:07.18 | raevanmorlock | well.. somebody go add it! |
| 00:07.27 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:07.32 | planetWayne | ok my last daft question... is 's' stripped out of a sendMessage!!? - they dont seem to appear! |
| 00:07.39 | Shirik | I resist the temptation to respond to that in the most logical form |
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| 00:08.00 | planetWayne | my thoughts exactly! |
| 00:08.15 | Beladona | anyone know where the weaksauce dude is for the armor in test? |
| 00:08.35 | AnduinLothar | they're converted to a character that isn't printed int he ChatFrames |
| 00:08.41 | raevanmorlock | Are Iriel's posts on the WoW forums or WoWi forums? |
| 00:08.47 | AnduinLothar | when you get it back in your callback it should be an s |
| 00:09.05 | Shirik | originally the WoW forums |
| 00:09.06 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212 |
| 00:09.08 | Shirik | usually duplicated to WoWI |
| 00:09.12 | planetWayne | ok . I had a Telepathy.sendMessage("MyID","fsrsesdsdsise is a long thing","GLOBAL"); and get freddie i a long thing |
| 00:09.30 | AnduinLothar | 'got' how? |
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| 00:10.14 | planetWayne | printed out with a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 00:10.22 | AnduinLothar | from waht |
| 00:10.34 | AnduinLothar | the callback? |
| 00:10.45 | planetWayne | ah yeah - sorry :) |
| 00:10.53 | planetWayne | the callbakc |
| 00:11.01 | planetWayne | (callback) |
| 00:11.07 | AnduinLothar | let me verify |
| 00:11.29 | Karrion | Beladona: in the middle of shattrath, nead Adal |
| 00:14.17 | raevanmorlock | I haven't been to the WoW forums in awhile.. did Blizz make up that MVP tag thing just for Iriel? |
| 00:14.28 | AnduinLothar | works fine on this end |
| 00:14.38 | Shirik | er... no |
| 00:14.43 | Shirik | there are many MVPs |
| 00:14.50 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.57 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.14 | AnduinLothar | prints: [GlobalComm][Wraithhammer]: fsrsesdsdsise is a long thing |
| 00:15.52 | planetWayne | Mmmm |
| 00:17.42 | raevanmorlock | wtf... I'm currently chewing food right in my mouth and my belly grumbles like it's hungry |
| 00:17.50 | planetWayne | I'm using arg1 ,arg2, arg3 to get the passed parameters to the callback function, I'm guessing then thats not a good idea? |
| 00:18.04 | Shirik | are they local or global? |
| 00:18.23 | Shirik | ie, does your function look like |
| 00:18.37 | Shirik | function foo(event, arg1, arg2) print(arg1); end |
| 00:18.43 | Shirik | or function foo() print(arg1); end |
| 00:20.01 | planetWayne | neither (!) just a function mycallback() that has an addmessage arg1..arg2..arg3 |
| 00:20.10 | AnduinLothar | you might be gettign the global arg1 message fromt he event that calls the callback |
| 00:20.13 | Shirik | ok... so it looks like the second |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | and that's deprecated |
| 00:20.33 | AnduinLothar | but still active |
| 00:20.46 | AnduinLothar | just rename your arguments |
| 00:20.48 | planetWayne | I've been getting these from other examples I've been trying to take apart. I was thinking that they were an auto generated set of variables |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | still active is not a good reason to use a deprecated functionality >< |
| 00:21.33 | AnduinLothar | he's not using it, he's getting it because its glboal |
| 00:21.48 | Shirik | it seems like he's using it to me :/ |
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| 00:22.08 | Shirik | eh, it doesn't matter |
| 00:22.09 | AnduinLothar | the callback is not an event call |
| 00:22.18 | AnduinLothar | it's called from an event func |
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| 00:22.31 | Shirik | aye, but he's relying on them being there: |
| 00:22.31 | Shirik | 20:18:31 ‹planetWayne› I'm using arg1 ,arg2, arg3 to get the passed parameters to the callback function, I'm guessing then thats not a good idea? |
| 00:23.16 | Shirik | anyway.... the general consensus is no you shouldn't do that planetWayne :P |
| 00:24.08 | planetWayne | ok :) I've changed it over to be 'function mything(Message,Sender)' and use those variables directly - and its doing what I would expect now :) |
| 00:25.08 | zenzelezz | :-) |
| 00:25.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:25.27 | planetWayne | Guys, thanks for putting up with some realy basic and (probly) stupid questions on this :) your help has been most greatfull! |
| 00:25.29 | zenzelezz | it's like your mother taught you, never talk to strange variables |
| 00:25.34 | Shirik | >< |
| 00:25.49 | Shirik | planetWayne: The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked |
| 00:26.02 | Shirik | and the one you already know the answer to |
| 00:26.13 | planetWayne | ah - the old 'chinese proverb' thingy :) |
| 00:26.45 | Shirik | most chinese proverbs are pretty accurate |
| 00:27.06 | zenzelezz | at least those generally quoted |
| 00:28.22 | planetWayne | 'give a man a fish and he will feast for a day, teach him how to fish and he will will never go hungry' |
| 00:28.22 | planetWayne | (unless he doesnt like fish I guess :)) |
| 00:28.23 | Shirik | I love that saying |
| 00:28.23 | Shirik | cog has it in his sig |
| 00:28.27 | planetWayne | I try and work with others to that one... least to say - we have some big fishing lessons at times :) |
| 00:30.09 | planetWayne | anyways - 1:30am here and a busy day in the morn - so I shall bid you all a good night.... again, thanks all for your assistance :) |
| 00:30.33 | zenzelezz | my forum signatures always end up being "Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable man" |
| 00:31.46 | Shirik | My current one is "A life spent making mistakes is not only more useful, but more honorable than one spent doing nothing" |
| 00:34.22 | Cairenn | someone buy me this t-shirt! http://www.cafepress.com/buy/bite/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_18778532/opt_/fpt_/c_360/ |
| 00:34.43 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:35.07 | Shirik | that's hardcore |
| 00:35.34 | Cairenn | what? |
| 00:35.49 | Shirik | zenzelezz that was a hint ;) go quickly make your move! |
| 00:35.50 | zenzelezz | I'd buy it if you gave us a picture of you wearing it |
| 00:35.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:35.57 | Shirik | good man! |
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| 00:36.24 | Shirik | That's a great idea for premium membership |
| 00:36.30 | Shirik | daily photos of Cairenn in a different t-shirt |
| 00:36.38 | Cairenn | if someone were to buy me that t-shirt (in a long enough size) I'd take a picture wearing only it :p |
| 00:36.40 | Shirik | similar to the one previously linked |
| 00:36.58 | Shirik | is small long enough? |
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| 00:37.09 | zenzelezz | I still think you should reconsider the autographed poster |
| 00:39.11 | Shirik | I guess small isn't long enough |
| 00:39.30 | Cairenn | it's mens sizing, so it might be |
| 00:39.44 | zenzelezz | I think the main problem is entrusting any of us with her address |
| 00:39.51 | Cairenn | bingo! |
| 00:40.06 | Shirik | what's the problem |
| 00:40.07 | zenzelezz | what makes you think so? |
| 00:40.10 | Shirik | I'd give you my address any time |
| 00:40.49 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 00:41.44 | Tain | What? Cairenn's sizing up men? |
| 00:41.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:42.15 | zenzelezz | don't know about that, just the same old messing with our minds |
| 00:42.27 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:42.29 | Cairenn | and you love every minute of it |
| 00:42.30 | Shirik | she's a teaser |
| 00:42.37 | Tain | No way! |
| 00:42.41 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: never said otherwise |
| 00:42.41 | Shirik | never said I didn't :D |
| 00:42.55 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 00:43.08 | zenzelezz | but my offer remains if you change your mind |
| 00:43.16 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 00:44.54 | Tain | I don't know what you guys are saying, Cairenn isn't a tease at all. |
| 00:45.11 | Cairenn | Tain: now shhh ;) |
| 00:46.09 | JoshBorke | ~lart tain |
| 00:46.09 | purl | whips out a sword and chops tain in half |
| 00:47.34 | raevanmorlock | Even if she did get a pic of herself wearing only the shirt, we'd probably only get to see her pinky finger |
| 00:47.48 | Tain | Now there was a real missed opportunity there. "chops Tain in twain" would have been wonderful. |
| 00:48.06 | Cairenn | raevanmorlock: *wink* |
| 00:48.10 | zenzelezz | twain? The scanner technology with the pwnest name? |
| 00:48.22 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: So long as it's in the right place, I don't have a problem with that |
| 00:48.26 | Shirik | maybe I go too far now >< |
| 00:48.29 | raevanmorlock | .. |
| 00:48.34 | raevanmorlock | maybe :) |
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| 00:48.57 | raevanmorlock | She might go putting her foot in a certain place with that kinda talk.. |
| 00:49.13 | Cairenn | Shirik: ! |
| 00:49.17 | Cairenn | >< |
| 00:49.19 | raevanmorlock | See? |
| 00:49.20 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 00:49.26 | Shirik | ok I'll be quiet now >< |
| 00:49.45 | raevanmorlock | Now... back to tryin to think of how to ask my question in 25 words or less |
| 00:50.28 | raevanmorlock | Where's Cide at when ya need him? |
| 00:52.36 | zenzelezz | raevanmorlock: that was significantly less than 25 words |
| 00:52.44 | raevanmorlock | That wasn't the question! |
| 00:53.02 | raevanmorlock | It wasn't THE question |
| 00:53.17 | Shirik | #wowi-lounge is like a programming language |
| 00:53.20 | Shirik | it does what you tell it to do |
| 00:53.26 | Shirik | nothing more, nothing less |
| 00:53.35 | Shirik | whether or not you tell it to do what you intend may be another story ;) |
| 00:53.36 | zenzelezz | do not try and ask the question - that's impossible. Instead, try only to realize the truth |
| 00:53.38 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 00:53.56 | Shirik | zenzelezz: That there is no question? |
| 00:53.56 | raevanmorlock | lol zenzelezz |
| 00:54.13 | zenzelezz | then you'll see that it's not the question that bends |
| 00:55.17 | zenzelezz | (this must be why my guildies keep telling me I belong on an RP server) |
| 00:55.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 00:55.18 | raevanmorlock | I want to make two functions.. something like HookTooltip() and UnhookTooltip(). So in the hook, I'll do the normal original = Tooltip:GetScript("Whatever"); SetScript("Whatever" function() yadda yadda end)) stuff. But then how would I unhook it safely? Would SetScript("Whatever", original) destroy anything that was hooked after mine? |
| 00:55.29 | Shirik | correct |
| 00:55.36 | Shirik | do something like this |
| 00:56.14 | raevanmorlock | if object.ishooked then dostuff() else donothing() end ? |
| 00:56.21 | Shirik | local orig = Tooltip:GetScript("OnShow"); local new = function() --[[ do some stuff here]] end; Tooltip:SetScript("OnShow", function() orig(); new(); end); |
| 00:56.30 | Shirik | then you can just later, do new = function() end |
| 00:56.34 | Shirik | which will remove anything you added |
| 00:57.05 | Shirik | unfortunately, this creates twice as many functions as usual (thus, uses more memory) |
| 00:57.11 | Shirik | so only use it when it's necessary |
| 00:57.58 | raevanmorlock | alllrighty |
| 00:58.47 | Shirik | do you understand why that works? |
| 00:58.58 | raevanmorlock | Yup |
| 00:59.27 | raevanmorlock | you keep the hook, but get rid of all the extra stuff that the hook did |
| 01:02.30 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge New Toc: 20100 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | Happy Birthday Tain! | RTFPN please. |
| 01:02.38 | Shirik | Happy birthday :D |
| 01:02.43 | Guillotine | happy birthday tain! |
| 01:02.45 | leethal | wtb lua syntax highlighting @ wowwiki.com |
| 01:03.00 | Shirik | I actually have a bbcode lua syntax highlighter... |
| 01:03.05 | Shirik | maybe I'll throw it at dolby |
| 01:03.10 | leethal | gief |
| 01:03.27 | leethal | make everything in <pre><code>...</code></pre> lua for the win! |
| 01:03.29 | raevanmorlock | Happy Birfday, Tain |
| 01:03.41 | Shirik | how can you assume that's lua... |
| 01:03.54 | leethal | most of the code is lua |
| 01:03.58 | Shirik | and why would you do <pre> AND <code> |
| 01:04.03 | leethal | but I guess <pre><code lang="lua"> |
| 01:04.18 | leethal | because sometimes you want to do <pre>, and sometimes you want to do <code> for inline code samples =) |
| 01:04.20 | Shirik | doesn't <code> result in preformatted text? |
| 01:04.59 | leethal | actually, I didn't consider that. I'm just used to <pre><code>.. being multiple line code samples, and <code> being inline |
| 01:05.11 | leethal | so I guess <code> is enough =) |
| 01:05.55 | raevanmorlock | Would tableA.insert(tableB) just insert a reference to tableB onto the end of tableA? |
| 01:06.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:06.44 | raevanmorlock | That's good |
| 01:08.36 | raevanmorlock | What about this: local Addon = {}; ShowItemPrice = Addon; Would that create just a global reference to the local variable that'd work the same as if I had made the original table a global called ShowItemPrice? |
| 01:08.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:09.23 | raevanmorlock | That'd be nice.. 'cause I hate the name of my addon and I could change it much more easily that way |
| 01:10.06 | Shirik | omfg... |
| 01:10.14 | Shirik | has there always been a flight path at ungoro? |
| 01:10.25 | raevanmorlock | Since before WoW even existed. |
| 01:10.26 | zenzelezz | since 1.12 or something at least |
| 01:10.29 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 01:10.31 | leethal | 1.12, yes |
| 01:10.39 | Shirik | when my main went through there that was 1.11 |
| 01:10.42 | Shirik | now I feel a little better |
| 01:10.56 | Shirik | I found it while leveling my alt and I'm like "oh god has this always been here?" |
| 01:11.24 | raevanmorlock | You have alts in places I've never even heard of |
| 01:12.01 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 01:12.16 | zenzelezz | you'll love it, being ganked by dinosaurs |
| 01:12.44 | JoshBorke | i'd say initiated rather than ganked |
| 01:13.01 | zenzelezz | the first time, true... after that it's just a gank =D |
| 01:13.29 | raevanmorlock | Would for i = 1, 0 do end never execute? And is there a way to create locals inline similar to how C++ could do for ( int i = 1; i < 10; i++ ) { } and i only exists within the confines of that loop? |
| 01:14.18 | Shirik | correct, it will never execute |
| 01:14.22 | zenzelezz | I think they are inline in loops |
| 01:14.35 | Shirik | and locals are local only to the block they are created in |
| 01:14.35 | zenzelezz | or whatever the expression is |
| 01:14.50 | Shirik | I wrote a huge page on this |
| 01:14.54 | Shirik | read it: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_Scope |
| 01:15.22 | Shirik | specifically, see the big example |
| 01:15.29 | Shirik | under "complex scope" |
| 01:15.52 | Shirik | : p(x); -- Prints nil (x is local to the for block) |
| 01:16.38 | raevanmorlock | oh.. so FOR loop iterators are automatically local to just the FOR loop? |
| 01:16.51 | Shirik | the counter, yes |
| 01:17.16 | raevanmorlock | I've been doin local i = 0; for i = start, stop do end |
| 01:17.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:17.30 | Shirik | unnecessary |
| 01:17.35 | Shirik | in fact, you're creating one extra variable |
| 01:17.43 | raevanmorlock | I see that now |
| 01:17.50 | Shirik | the i you create is separate from the i created in the for loop |
| 01:17.50 | zenzelezz | still better than tossing globals everywhere like some newbies =) |
| 01:17.56 | Shirik | lol yes |
| 01:18.14 | Tain | Better tossing globals than tossing salads. |
| 01:18.38 | raevanmorlock | Better to toss salads than juggle land mines |
| 01:18.45 | Shirik | btw that example took me forever to write, so you better appreciate it! |
| 01:18.56 | Shirik | Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep track of 6 identically named, but separate variables? |
| 01:19.01 | raevanmorlock | The complex scope one? Tis quite nice. |
| 01:19.11 | JoshBorke | never name variables identically |
| 01:19.29 | Shirik | JoshBorke: Indeed it is a horrible idea, but for writing an example to explain scope, it's necessary |
| 01:19.39 | zenzelezz | I shall be known from now on as... |
| 01:19.59 | Tain | There is something elegant about using the same variable name for everything throughout your code. |
| 01:20.04 | zenzelezz | you mean you haven't seen Black Adder? |
| 01:20.10 | Shirik | elegant as in impossible to read? |
| 01:20.26 | Shirik | actually, I know someone who wrote an addon whose variables were entirely binary numbers |
| 01:20.40 | Tain | Other people's understanding of your code is overrated! |
| 01:20.42 | Shirik | he'd have a variable a, then aa, then ab, then bb, the ba, then bb |
| 01:20.49 | Shirik | and so forth |
| 01:20.59 | Shirik | the same addon was a 2000 line addon that was written all on one line |
| 01:21.02 | Shirik | with no comments |
| 01:21.13 | raevanmorlock | What'd it do? |
| 01:21.26 | zenzelezz | that was his local copy, not an obfuscated one? |
| 01:21.26 | Shirik | it was an extremely old version of RDX :) Before Cidan and I started modifying it |
| 01:21.34 | Shirik | oh no it was definitely an obfuscated one hehe |
| 01:21.43 | raevanmorlock | Well that doesn't count |
| 01:21.58 | raevanmorlock | yeesh |
| 01:21.58 | Shirik | the best part of it |
| 01:22.04 | Shirik | if it detected you tried to de-obfuscate it |
| 01:22.12 | Shirik | it scrambled your saved variables |
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| 01:22.31 | zenzelezz | lol, evil |
| 01:22.33 | raevanmorlock | Sounds like the original author of RDX was an ass |
| 01:22.48 | Shirik | The original author of RDX was written for one raid team and one alone |
| 01:22.53 | Shirik | The one my guild happened to be a part of |
| 01:22.59 | Shirik | He never wanted it released. |
| 01:23.06 | Shirik | Use of it required authentication to the author, everything |
| 01:23.11 | Shirik | he tried to secure it in every way possible |
| 01:23.19 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 01:23.21 | Tain | Which was his failing. |
| 01:23.31 | Tain | Trying to do that was an exercise in futility. |
| 01:23.49 | Shirik | it only entices people to break it even more :) |
| 01:24.09 | Tain | You can't "secure" plain text interpreted code |
| 01:24.24 | Tain | Trying to do it in the first place was silly. |
| 01:25.05 | Tain | The fact that someone tried to then charge people for RDX just sends it over the edge into stupidity land. |
| 01:25.19 | Shirik | he would be the original author ;) |
| 01:25.32 | zenzelezz | it repels users more than it attracts them |
| 01:25.33 | Shirik | But that's why Cidan and I maintain the free RDX.Cid version |
| 01:25.36 | zenzelezz | when you do those things |
| 01:25.39 | AnduinLothar | heh, my roomy actually paid for it |
| 01:25.49 | AnduinLothar | i told him he was a noob |
| 01:26.25 | Tain | Noob is as noob does. |
| 01:26.34 | Shirik | there are guilds that require it.. |
| 01:27.03 | Tain | Noob guild is as noob guild does. |
| 01:27.07 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:27.27 | Shirik | but yeah, I don't really understand the logic behind trying to secure open-source code |
| 01:27.38 | Shirik | and as such, like I said, Cidan and I maintain a free version, which works well enough for me |
| 01:27.47 | Shirik | and my guild is convinced it works well enough as well, so be it :) |
| 01:28.35 | raevanmorlock | People all over the wc3 community take measures to "protect" their publicly available, Blizzard-owned maps too |
| 01:28.49 | Shirik | ah, I remember this from starcraft too hehe |
| 01:29.21 | Shirik | but, so be it. I respect what Veni's doing. He wants to make a living off it, so be it. He's done one hell of a job. |
| 01:29.30 | Shirik | I may not agree with it, but I respect it.. |
| 01:29.49 | zenzelezz | I remember something similar with Unreal-engine maps... they contained both a compiled and uncompiled version... people would compile it, delete all the uncompiled data and save it |
| 01:30.33 | zenzelezz | so that no-one could open their uber imba maps in the editor and copy anything |
| 01:30.41 | raevanmorlock | But... he's trying to make a living off of something he doesn't own, isn't he? |
| 01:30.50 | Shirik | how can you say he doesn't own it? |
| 01:30.51 | Shirik | he wrote it |
| 01:31.27 | raevanmorlock | I haven't read the WoW license agreements.... but, I know that any maps made for Wc3 are owned by Blizzard--so I imagine they'd have the same legal stuff in place here. |
| 01:31.38 | Shirik | there isn't one line in there that Blizzard's written |
| 01:31.46 | Tain | There's lots of grey area. People like to ignore that fact and say that anything they write is their property. |
| 01:31.51 | Shirik | the maps, on the other hand, are a different story |
| 01:31.58 | Shirik | however, addons are owned by their authors |
| 01:32.02 | Tain | But when it executes solely in Blizzard's property it becomes a little less clear. |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | It's code, nothing more |
| 01:32.18 | Shirik | Tain: If you're going to use that argument, then you can say World of Warcraft is a Microsoft product |
| 01:32.22 | Shirik | or Mac, or... Gnu |
| 01:32.24 | Shirik | depending on your OS |
| 01:32.35 | Tain | No, you couldn't. |
| 01:32.44 | Shirik | World of Warcraft uses the OS APIs and runs within that program |
| 01:32.55 | Shirik | does it not? |
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| 01:33.18 | raevanmorlock | There's clearly defined legislation in place there |
| 01:33.30 | Shirik | what legislation is that? |
| 01:33.53 | Tain | I'd really love to see it actually come to a court case. I doubt it ever would, but I think there's a hell of a lot more "grey" area than people want to think there is. |
| 01:34.08 | Shirik | Gnu even states themselves, a program that links with another program is still two separate programs |
| 01:34.13 | Shirik | it's written in the GPL |
| 01:34.20 | Shirik | and that has upheld in court |
| 01:34.47 | Tain | I'm not sure that the GPL has been upheld in US courts. |
| 01:34.59 | Shirik | Oh it has; there are many copyright cases |
| 01:35.08 | Shirik | FSF will even help you defend your open-source programs if you ask |
| 01:35.18 | Shirik | But... anyway... the thing is |
| 01:35.36 | Shirik | So long as you haven't copied any code from anywhere, the code is entirely yours. You wrote every line of it, how can you say otherwise? |
| 01:36.00 | Shirik | If it's taken out of the context of WoW, it's still the exact same code. It's just a bunch of Lua statements, nothing more |
| 01:36.26 | Shirik | WC3 maps, on the other hand, follow a different philosophy |
| 01:36.31 | Shirik | they use a format created by Blizzard, etc. |
| 01:36.38 | Shirik | As such, Blizzard has full control over that if they so desire |
| 01:37.06 | raevanmorlock | So then Blizzard doesn't own WoW Addons.. the people that made Lua do? |
| 01:37.24 | Shirik | Yes. This is, of course, all my interpretation. But it's one I firmly believe in. |
| 01:37.34 | sancus | lol |
| 01:37.42 | Shirik | There hasn't been any court cases regarding WoW addons, and I seriously doubt there ever will be. |
| 01:37.43 | raevanmorlock | Then he's still trying to make money off of something he doesn't own. |
| 01:37.50 | Shirik | Huh? |
| 01:37.53 | Shirik | Oh no |
| 01:37.55 | Shirik | sorry I misread that |
| 01:37.57 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 01:38.06 | Shirik | No, the people that made lua don't either |
| 01:38.12 | AnduinLothar | the people that made lua have it under licensee that they don't own your lua code, same will most computer languages |
| 01:38.20 | Shirik | right |
| 01:38.23 | AnduinLothar | with* |
| 01:38.27 | raevanmorlock | Yeah I know.. I'm just bein difficult. |
| 01:38.41 | Tain | It is easy to say that it is just Lua code but the fact is it only matters within the WoW environment. |
| 01:38.46 | zenzelezz | raevanmorlock: don't worry, that's what we do in here |
| 01:38.54 | raevanmorlock | ha |
| 01:38.57 | Shirik | Tain: So your program LINKS with the WoW environment |
| 01:39.02 | AnduinLothar | it's perfectly legal to sell your addons. it's just not social acceptable |
| 01:39.04 | Shirik | thus, they are two separate programs |
| 01:39.16 | Shirik | And I completely agree with AnduinLothar's last statement ;) |
| 01:39.19 | AnduinLothar | if you can get people to pay you, more power to you |
| 01:39.29 | Tain | It is legal AnduinLothar, but only because no one has pressed the issue legally. |
| 01:39.39 | Shirik | huh? |
| 01:39.43 | zenzelezz | I'd say your Lua doesn't link with WoW either, it just produces results based on WoW's interpretation |
| 01:39.51 | Tain | I do think Blizzard would have a case if they ever wanted to argue it. |
| 01:39.53 | AnduinLothar | Blizzard hasn't made any action against them |
| 01:40.03 | raevanmorlock | But the thing is.... there is no right answer legally until there is a court case involving it. And could you imagine trying to explain to a jury that your code is a seperate entity and not part of WoW therefore not owned by Blizzard? |
| 01:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying blizzard wouln't be too happy with you trying to sell it, but i doubt they have a legal leg to stand on |
| 01:40.12 | Shirik | I don't see one good reason why you can say Blizzard owns your code |
| 01:40.15 | Tain | Having a case doesn't mean winning a case, but I just don't think it's as cut and dry as other people think. |
| 01:40.34 | Shirik | they haven't written any of it |
| 01:40.34 | Karrion | Blizz probably could make a case that because they never published the addon API officially, that addons are derivative works, and that the reverse engineering to discover the API violated the DCMA |
| 01:40.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/saying/thinking/ |
| 01:40.45 | Karrion | I don't know if they could _successully_ argue it |
| 01:40.54 | Shirik | Karrion: The reverse engineering, yes, I can agree with that |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | but most authors didn't do that themselves |
| 01:40.59 | Tain | Of course all of the non-lawyers can argue about it here as much as they like. |
| 01:41.02 | Karrion | and I doubt they _would_ |
| 01:41.04 | Shirik | They merely took what they learned form wowwiki |
| 01:41.10 | Shirik | or the like |
| 01:41.11 | Karrion | but they could theoretically try |
| 01:41.16 | Shirik | sure |
| 01:41.25 | Tain | I just maintain that there's an argument to be made, as opposed to the people who think there is none. |
| 01:41.33 | raevanmorlock | I agree. |
| 01:41.37 | Shirik | the argument can be made, sure. I don't think it would ever get anywhere. |
| 01:42.02 | Shirik | So long as you have written it yourself, you can't say it's anyone's other than your own. Otherwise, Microsoft would own everything (moreso than they already do) |
| 01:42.17 | Tain | It's a different argument than that, Shirik |
| 01:42.17 | raevanmorlock | Plus, legal battles aren't fair fights. Blizzard has alot more money to plow a path than the average addon author does. It's merely a matter of whether or not they feel like doing it. |
| 01:42.37 | Karrion | Shirk: yes, unless some agreement specifies otherwise |
| 01:42.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | that depends on how much they hate you :p |
| 01:42.42 | Shirik | right |
| 01:42.47 | Shirik | Sorry I forgot that exclusion |
| 01:42.48 | Karrion | (ie work for hire agreements, employment contracts...) |
| 01:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're mercury of glider fame, don't expect any favors from blizzard :p |
| 01:43.27 | Shirik | But, I'll say one last thing, and then drop it. Tain: Lua addons use APIs created by Blizzard, and nothing more. Windows programs use APIs created by Microsoft, nothing more. I fail to see a difference. |
| 01:43.31 | Shirik | And on that, I'll shut up |
| 01:43.51 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 01:43.51 | Tain | Of course you fail to see a difference when you refuse to see that there is one. |
| 01:44.20 | Shirik | Do Lua addons use more than APIs created by Blizzard? |
| 01:44.26 | Shirik | I'm all ears |
| 01:44.29 | Karrion | yes |
| 01:44.36 | Shirik | what? |
| 01:44.37 | Karrion | they use the lua API as well ;-) |
| 01:44.42 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 01:44.46 | Karrion | hehe |
| 01:45.10 | Karrion | and several of them use the Ace API, blah blah blah |
| 01:45.20 | Shirik | that's what I thought you were going to say >< |
| 01:45.45 | Tain | It's actually really pretty simple. |
| 01:46.12 | Tain | I think there's question. |
| 01:46.28 | Karrion | I don't think Blizz could claim to own any of the code of an addon |
| 01:46.49 | Tain | Until it is resolved in a court of law any absolutes anyone says otherwise is sheer ignorance. |
| 01:47.02 | raevanmorlock | If PersonA makes a text editor and releases it with no strings attached and you use it to make a file--that file is yours. PersonB could make another text editor that says "anything made with this program is property of me". It's exactly the same scenario, but there's different legal backing. |
| 01:47.05 | Shirik | so just because I'm a lawyer I'm ignorant? |
| 01:47.05 | Karrion | I think they can refuse to grant permission to make addons, or they can give it, and nothing in between |
| 01:47.07 | cladhaire | no api has ever been argued in that way |
| 01:47.08 | Karrion | but IANAL |
| 01:47.09 | Shirik | I'm not a lawyer* |
| 01:47.13 | cladhaire | which doesn't mean nothing |
| 01:47.38 | Tain | Yay for cladhaire! |
| 01:47.41 | Shirik | Just because I'm not a lawyer, I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Even if it's a legal opinion? |
| 01:47.54 | Shirik | Now that, my friend, is sheer ignorance. |
| 01:48.11 | Tain | Thinking that an opinion is word of law is ignorance. |
| 01:48.19 | Tain | AS is ignorance of what ignorance means. |
| 01:48.37 | raevanmorlock | You two are humorous |
| 01:48.45 | Shirik | What you're saying is I have no right to claim that Blizzard has no authority over my code. |
| 01:48.51 | Tain | I do find myself to be humrorous! |
| 01:48.59 | Shirik | If that were the case, how does anyone ever get anywhere in the legal system? Every lawsuit is a claim over another |
| 01:49.04 | Tain | If nothing else I make myself laugh. And really that's enough for me. |
| 01:49.38 | Shirik | And what is the legal system if not a means for resolving conflicting opinions? |
| 01:49.50 | Tain | Shirik you have the right to claim anything you like. That doesn't make it true. |
| 01:50.38 | Shirik | Hm, I'll leave it at that. I said a while ago I was going to shut up and I failed at that. |
| 01:50.42 | Tain | Thanks for making my point! |
| 01:51.58 | Shirik | btw good evening cladhaire :) |
| 01:53.10 | cladhaire | hi |
| 01:53.13 | raevanmorlock | I love these moments where I can just make a little comment and create an epic struggle of good vs. evil that wages on for minutes and minutes. |
| 01:53.41 | raevanmorlock | But, alas, now the chat is dead again. |
| 01:53.53 | raevanmorlock | mmm chocolate |
| 01:54.50 | raevanmorlock | Now what was I.. oh yes, loop counters are auto-local |
| 01:54.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:55.20 | raevanmorlock | Here's a question... which is better: length = #table; for i = 1, length or for i = 1, #table |
| 01:55.45 | Shirik | in the former, you are creating an extra global variable |
| 01:55.54 | cladhaire | *cackle* |
| 01:56.03 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:56.09 | raevanmorlock | it's local! I just neglected to mention |
| 01:56.18 | Shirik | ok, so you're creating an extra local variable? |
| 01:56.33 | cladhaire | there's no such thing as an "extra" local variable really |
| 01:56.35 | cladhaire | a lookup is a lookup |
| 01:56.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:57.04 | raevanmorlock | fine.. but does #table involve the same process as getting the value of a variable or is it going to count the number of entries everytime it goes through the loop |
| 01:57.10 | cladhaire | ther'e sno memory allocation |
| 01:57.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:57.13 | Shirik | I see |
| 01:57.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:57.16 | cladhaire | raevanmorlock: store it if you're using it more than once |
| 01:57.17 | cladhaire | .always |
| 01:57.34 | Shirik | better yet |
| 01:57.35 | Shirik | use pairs() |
| 01:57.47 | Shirik | or in this case, ipairs() |
| 01:57.59 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 01:58.30 | raevanmorlock | for value in ipairs(table) ? |
| 01:58.41 | Shirik | that is an option, yes |
| 01:58.49 | Shirik | for k, v in ipairs(table) also |
| 01:58.53 | Shirik | if you need the index |
| 01:59.17 | cladhaire | you mean if you need the value. |
| 01:59.23 | cladhaire | the first would give you the index, not the value. |
| 01:59.38 | Shirik | oh really? I've never actually used that form |
| 01:59.43 | Shirik | I'm going based off how php does it |
| 01:59.44 | raevanmorlock | I apparently need to consult the Lua manual on pairs() and ipairs() |
| 01:59.50 | Shirik | I always get both, it's just easier for me |
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| 02:01.03 | cladhaire | it typically is. |
| 02:01.05 | raevanmorlock | Am I the only one that has a hard time understanding the Lua manual? |
| 02:02.08 | cladhaire | area you reading PiL? |
| 02:02.08 | cladhaire | or the ref manual |
| 02:02.10 | raevanmorlock | So ipairs() loops table[0], table[1], etc and pairs() loops table.foo, table.bar, etc.. ? |
| 02:02.16 | raevanmorlock | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ << that |
| 02:02.16 | cladhaire | tables start at 1 in lua, not 0 |
| 02:02.25 | raevanmorlock | gah! |
| 02:02.37 | cladhaire | and ipairs loops all the consecutively integer indexed entries, starting at 1 |
| 02:02.41 | cladhaire | pairs loops ALL key/value pairs in the table |
| 02:02.55 | raevanmorlock | That's what I was sayin |
| 02:03.07 | raevanmorlock | In stupid-speech |
| 02:03.10 | cladhaire | well i'm a semantic nazi =) |
| 02:03.27 | zenzelezz | compilers/interpretes are too, so that's okay |
| 02:03.29 | leethal | is there any autobar alternatives out there? |
| 02:03.33 | zenzelezz | interpreters |
| 02:03.55 | raevanmorlock | What's autobar? |
| 02:04.33 | raevanmorlock | Man... after 3 semesters of C++, Lua just seems too easy sometimes. |
| 02:04.45 | ckknight | Lua is complex in its own ways |
| 02:04.50 | ckknight | especially if you mess with metatables |
| 02:05.05 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. but it's like the people that designed it actually knew what they were doing. |
| 02:05.39 | Shirik | metatables are fun :D |
| 02:05.39 | ckknight | I've been contemplating making my own language and compiler recently |
| 02:05.41 | cladhaire | shadow priest.. what item do I take: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9977 |
| 02:05.42 | ckknight | if I do it, it'd likely resemble lua |
| 02:05.54 | raevanmorlock | Is Lua considered object-oriented? Or does it just allow people to fake it? |
| 02:06.03 | cladhaire | its a multi-paradigm language |
| 02:06.06 | cladhaire | its not faking it |
| 02:06.18 | ckknight | typically OO is handled through prototyping |
| 02:06.20 | raevanmorlock | small words, please :) |
| 02:06.20 | cladhaire | it allow full object-oriented, using prototyping. |
| 02:06.42 | cladhaire | multi-paradigm, means you can program in functional, imperative, procedural and object-oriented in this case. |
| 02:07.12 | ckknight | e.g. local Parent = { Poke = function(self) return "poke" end }; local Child = setmetatable({}, {__index=Parent}); Child:Poke() |
| 02:07.29 | ckknight | quick example of lua prototyping |
| 02:07.40 | Shirik | I create my metatables on the table :P |
| 02:07.53 | Shirik | in the above example, Parent.__index = Parent |
| 02:07.57 | ckknight | metamethods |
| 02:08.04 | Shirik | yeah sorry |
| 02:08.06 | ckknight | I'm not fond of that style, honestly |
| 02:08.25 | Shirik | I personally find it easier to understand, but to each is own |
| 02:08.35 | ckknight | seems like you're mixing mechanisms |
| 02:08.50 | Shirik | local self ={}; setmetatable(self, Parent); |
| 02:09.10 | Shirik | but whatever, both ways make sense |
| 02:09.12 | cladhaire | well, then you have a stray __index |
| 02:09.21 | cladhaire | i.e. child.__index would be Parent |
| 02:09.23 | cladhaire | which is odd |
| 02:09.25 | Shirik | to be honest it's just the first way I had ever seen it done |
| 02:09.32 | Shirik | and I kept doing it that way |
| 02:09.37 | raevanmorlock | So setmetatable(cat, Animal) is the same as C++'s Animal cat; ? |
| 02:09.39 | cladhaire | thats fine, nothign wrong with it, specifically |
| 02:09.40 | Shirik | that was my first exposure to metatables |
| 02:09.56 | ckknight | oh well, I use AceOO if I want to do object-orientation. Though, really, I tend not to do complex OOP. |
| 02:10.21 | ckknight | raevanmorlock: sorta... the paradigms are kinda different, though |
| 02:10.38 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: If and only if Animal.__index == Animal |
| 02:10.47 | raevanmorlock | No more "paradigms" .. call them "thingies" |
| 02:11.17 | cladhaire | ~dict paradigm |
| 02:11.24 | cladhaire | you shoudl not hide from words you don't understand. |
| 02:11.29 | cladhaire | you shoudl try to understand them =) |
| 02:11.34 | Shirik | but they might kill you! |
| 02:11.41 | raevanmorlock | I'm reading the google definitions, but I don't understand them much either |
| 02:12.28 | raevanmorlock | or purl's definition... I think my brain took a big fart and died |
| 02:12.53 | ckknight | I paradigmed your mom last night |
| 02:13.02 | Shirik | purl, ping |
| 02:13.04 | purl | pong |
| 02:13.10 | raevanmorlock | See, I don't even know if I should take offense to that statement, ckknight |
| 02:13.11 | Cairenn | >< |
| 02:13.18 | ckknight | lol. |
| 02:13.30 | ckknight | the absurdity is that it can't be used as a verb |
| 02:13.41 | raevanmorlock | I thought it was a noun.. sounded good though. |
| 02:14.02 | Shirik | I'll paradigm you Cairenn! |
| 02:14.24 | Cairenn | I'll smack you upside the head Shirik |
| 02:14.27 | raevanmorlock | ooh wait... so a paradigm is an example of how something works? |
| 02:14.29 | Shirik | T_T |
| 02:14.36 | raevanmorlock | lol @ Cairenn |
| 02:15.32 | raevanmorlock | C++ and Lua are both object-oriented, but they implement it different ways... yes? |
| 02:15.42 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: *chuckle* |
| 02:15.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:16.04 | ckknight | raevanmorlock: essentially. |
| 02:16.04 | raevanmorlock | Alrighty. That's enough learning for today. |
| 02:16.13 | ckknight | c'mon, learning is fun |
| 02:16.18 | ckknight | knowledge is power! |
| 02:16.35 | zenzelezz | I see the propaganda got to you ckk |
| 02:16.42 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:16.59 | raevanmorlock | ~dict tation |
| 02:17.41 | raevanmorlock | How vast is purl's dictionary? |
| 02:17.56 | zenzelezz | think it looks it up from some website |
| 02:18.41 | raevanmorlock | That sounds like the right way to do it |
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| 02:19.32 | ckknight | ~emulate raevanmorlock |
| 02:19.38 | ckknight | aw. |
| 02:19.39 | raevanmorlock | Man.. 60.4 dps on that staff. Mine has 8. |
| 02:21.06 | raevanmorlock | Hey Cairenn... does WoWi have a feature to get alerted when people add stuff to your bug reports and feature requests? |
| 02:23.12 | cladhaire | it has an RSS feed |
| 02:23.23 | cladhaire | but not email notification yet (or if so, i haven't found it) |
| 02:24.11 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2757&page=2&pp=10 |
| 02:24.42 | cladhaire | its the last thing i have on wowi that isn't instant notify =) |
| 02:24.49 | cladhaire | but i can handle that =) |
| 02:25.58 | raevanmorlock | I didn't even know about the bug report and feature request pages... stumbled on 'em a few days ago and found that someone had left a bug report like 2-3 months ago |
| 02:26.06 | Shirik | haha! |
| 02:27.50 | AnduinLothar | lol, speaking of. I've never checked mine |
| 02:28.06 | Shirik | One of the many benefits of letting Cidan handle the wowi page and not me!! |
| 02:28.17 | AnduinLothar | course my portal says to jsut leave comments... |
| 02:29.33 | JoshBorke | bah, where's cide when you need him... |
| 02:29.36 | raevanmorlock | My portal says I'm a sped |
| 02:33.29 | raevanmorlock | Do you guys use any nifty plugins or special apps for your RSS feeds or just the standard IE/FF? |
| 02:33.40 | cladhaire | ima make a luabot addon for my irc client |
| 02:33.46 | cladhaire | so yall don't need to bother cide all the time =) |
| 02:34.16 | Shirik | *cough* or they could get the lua exe :P |
| 02:34.40 | Shirik | cladhaire how many projects do you work on at a time >< |
| 02:34.47 | cladhaire | not that many |
| 02:34.47 | leethal | *cough* or compile lua from source </brag> |
| 02:34.49 | cladhaire | i know better |
| 02:34.54 | Shirik | you're writing a book, you have addons, and now you're going to make lua bot too :P |
| 02:34.57 | sioraiocht | Shirik: it's nice for examples, we use a haskell bot in #haskell all the time |
| 02:35.11 | Shirik | yeah I have to admit having Cide here is helpful :) |
| 02:35.18 | raevanmorlock | Playing with Lua is more fun when other people are forced to watch you do it. |
| 02:35.37 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: You know what else is fun? /script _G = nil; |
| 02:35.47 | Shirik | do it |
| 02:36.00 | raevanmorlock | hehe.. nah that's ok |
| 02:36.25 | Shirik | tbh I'm not sure if that would do anything |
| 02:36.26 | raevanmorlock | Although... I am curious as to what'd really happen now that you mention it |
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| 02:37.12 | Shirik | yup, does nothing |
| 02:37.13 | Shirik | > a = 4; _G = nil; return tostring(a); |
| 02:37.13 | Shirik | 4 |
| 02:37.53 | Shirik | actually I take that back, apparently my lua interpreter doesn't understand _G |
| 02:38.13 | Shirik | is that a WoW thing? |
| 02:38.47 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 02:38.54 | cladhaire | _G is not a wow thing actually |
| 02:38.59 | cladhaire | getfenv(0) shoudl always work |
| 02:39.12 | Shirik | > a = 4; return _G["a"]; |
| 02:39.12 | Shirik | stdin:1: attempt to index global '_G' (a nil value) |
| 02:39.25 | cladhaire | a = 4; return getfenv(0).a |
| 02:39.47 | Shirik | m that works |
| 02:39.55 | cladhaire | i know =) |
| 02:39.55 | Shirik | where does _G come from though? |
| 02:40.21 | cladhaire | _G = getfenv(0) |
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| 02:40.29 | cladhaire | and it exists in most lua interpreters |
| 02:40.29 | Shirik | but wow does that? |
| 02:40.35 | Shirik | ah, except mine :( |
| 02:40.40 | cladhaire | Lua 5.1.1 Copyright (C) 1994-2006 Lua.org, PUC-Rio |
| 02:40.41 | cladhaire | > print(_G) |
| 02:40.41 | cladhaire | table: 0x300310 |
| 02:40.41 | siorbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.52 | raevanmorlock | I hate when the fullsize version of a preview image is no bigger than the preview image |
| 02:41.05 | zenzelezz | seconded |
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| 02:41.13 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 02:41.13 | leethal | thirded |
| 02:41.14 | Shirik | I'm a noob |
| 02:41.21 | raevanmorlock | N00B! |
| 02:41.23 | Shirik | it's because I nilled it a few lines ago |
| 02:41.27 | Shirik | go me :D |
| 02:41.31 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 02:41.39 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 02:41.46 | Shirik | but... raevanmorlock, back to the original question |
| 02:41.50 | Shirik | _G = nil will have no direct effects |
| 02:41.54 | raevanmorlock | I had a question? |
| 02:41.54 | ckknight | >>> "Is Cide-bot up?" |
| 02:42.00 | ckknight | guess not |
| 02:42.04 | ckknight | he's not even in the room |
| 02:42.08 | zenzelezz | you could have just checked that first |
| 02:42.09 | raevanmorlock | Indeed |
| 02:42.12 | raevanmorlock | He's been gone most all day |
| 02:42.35 | raevanmorlock | Do you know how many people are in this room? It'd take forever to find him! |
| 02:42.41 | Shirik | 104 |
| 02:42.48 | raevanmorlock | wow, really? |
| 02:42.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:42.59 | Shirik | assuming each name is a "person" |
| 02:43.00 | raevanmorlock | And there's like a dozen that talk.. ever |
| 02:43.04 | Nom- | Irish I were drunk. |
| 02:43.11 | cladhaire | >>> heyas |
| 02:43.11 | Shirik | hai Nom- |
| 02:43.18 | Nom- | hai |
| 02:43.19 | Shirik | <<< hi cladhaire |
| 02:43.26 | cladhaire | i'm trying to get a basic plugin working |
| 02:43.29 | cladhaire | so i can play with it later. |
| 02:43.47 | Shirik | just real quick cladhaire, can I ask that you not make it >>> though |
| 02:43.51 | Shirik | in case you and Cide are both here |
| 02:43.53 | raevanmorlock | I'm not dunk occifer |
| 02:43.59 | cladhaire | i won't. |
| 02:44.09 | Nom- | This request server should take 3-5 seconds to load |
| 02:44.10 | cladhaire | !itunes |
| 02:44.20 | cladhaire | can someone type !itunes for me |
| 02:44.21 | Nom- | But the server it talks to is so slow, that it's taking 5 minutes to establish the session |
| 02:44.26 | raevanmorlock | !itunes |
| 02:44.30 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 02:44.30 | Karrion | cladhaire: !itunes |
| 02:44.31 | cladhaire | odd. |
| 02:44.38 | cladhaire | no wonder its not working |
| 02:44.54 | Shirik | hehe |
| 02:44.57 | raevanmorlock | Did you eat it? |
| 02:45.04 | Shirik | cladhaire's client doesn't respond to itsel |
| 02:45.05 | Shirik | cladhaire's client doesn't respond to itsel |
| 02:45.06 | Shirik | f |
| 02:45.21 | ckknight | !itunes |
| 02:45.22 | raevanmorlock | .. that was humorous |
| 02:45.41 | Karrion | !winamp |
| 02:45.45 | Karrion | >.. |
| 02:45.48 | raevanmorlock | !wtf |
| 02:46.31 | raevanmorlock | If I smack my hands together like this.. it sounds like I'm clapping. |
| 02:47.43 | raevanmorlock | I've been sitting here about 3 hours and have typed 2 lines of code thus far |
| 02:48.13 | ckknight | raevanmorlock: what're you doing? |
| 02:48.43 | raevanmorlock | Isn't it obvious...? I'm not doing anything. |
| 02:50.34 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: Worst part about lua is that you can't make a statement that doesn't do anything |
| 02:50.48 | Shirik | so you can't make another useless line of code to make your life feel complete with now 3 lines of code |
| 02:52.27 | cladhaire | - . ... - |
| 02:52.57 | raevanmorlock | Is there any way to ensure that a value being passed to my function is a Tooltip and not just some random table? |
| 02:53.03 | Shirik | cladhaire: what is that? |
| 02:53.12 | cladhaire | morse code for "Test" actually |
| 02:53.14 | cladhaire | test rather |
| 02:53.52 | raevanmorlock | You know morse code? Where the heck were you the other day when I was tryin to figure out how to read morse code?! |
| 02:54.48 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: i almost have that DelayTip mod written |
| 02:54.51 | Nom- | lol you can make code which does nothing in any language |
| 02:55.39 | Shirik | Nom-: name something in Lua that does nothing ;) |
| 02:55.43 | Shirik | and I mean absolutely nothing |
| 02:55.46 | JoshBorke | nil |
| 02:55.51 | Shirik | nil is not a statement |
| 02:55.59 | JoshBorke | do end |
| 02:56.02 | Shirik | > nil |
| 02:56.03 | Shirik | stdin:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 02:56.09 | JoshBorke | > do end |
| 02:56.25 | Shirik | does that make a stack frame? |
| 02:56.38 | JoshBorke | > do local a end |
| 02:56.45 | JoshBorke | dunno |
| 02:57.05 | Shirik | ah well, what I said was more of a general statement than anything |
| 02:57.13 | Nom- | I suppose it depends on how strict you want to be with the "does nothing" thing :) |
| 02:57.29 | Shirik | really I was only pointing at the fact that in C, 2+3; is a valid statemtn |
| 02:57.35 | Shirik | whereas it's not in Lua |
| 02:57.52 | Nom- | Yeah, but that still does something in C though |
| 02:58.31 | Shirik | actually |
| 02:58.31 | Shirik | my compiler translates it into nothing |
| 02:58.31 | Shirik | no assembled instructions |
| 02:58.31 | zenzelezz | that's optimization |
| 02:58.31 | Nom- | Turn off optimization |
| 02:58.40 | Shirik | my compiler's set up to zero optimization intentionally. MSVC does that in debug mode always |
| 02:58.47 | Shirik | debug mode has 0 optimization |
| 02:58.59 | Shirik | but think about it |
| 02:59.02 | Shirik | how would you do that in assembly? |
| 02:59.07 | raevanmorlock | Doesn't morse code need some kind of spacing? How would you translate something like this: X X O =O= =X= =X= O =O= =X= X =O= =O= =O= =X= =X= =X= =O= O O O |
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| 02:59.25 | Shirik | it really does nothing |
| 03:00.57 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: What is that >< |
| 03:00.57 | Shirik | morse code is simply a series of short and long beeps |
| 03:00.57 | Nom- | It really depends on how general you want to be in the does nothing thing tho |
| 03:01.12 | Shirik | what I said wasn't really intended to mean anything other than a general statement >< |
| 03:01.12 | Nom- | Perl for instance, 2+3; is a valid statement too |
| 03:01.17 | Nom- | Except it assigns it to $_ |
| 03:01.21 | raevanmorlock | Puzzle Quest released this code as an April Fool's joke. X and O are short beeps, =X= and =O= are long beeps. |
| 03:01.53 | raevanmorlock | http://www.infinite-interactive.com/puzzlequest/PQCheats.html |
| 03:02.34 | raevanmorlock | I looked all around the web for a translater, but everything I found needed some kind of spacing to sepcify where one letter stops and another begins. it drove me nuts |
| 03:03.18 | Karrion | iirc in morse, the space between two letters is three times the space between beeps within a letter |
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| 03:03.56 | Nom- | yah there's a pause i beleive |
| 03:03.57 | Shirik | I just know morse code used in ATC |
| 03:04.01 | Shirik | which is nothing more than 3 letters |
| 03:04.05 | Shirik | so it's incredibly simple |
| 03:04.11 | Nom- | the lenght of the pause defines if it's a letter, word, or sentence end |
| 03:04.14 | Shirik | well 3 or 4 |
| 03:04.25 | raevanmorlock | But where's the spacing in X X O =O= =X= =X= O =O= =X= X =O= =O= =O= =X= =X= =X= =O= O O O |
| 03:04.50 | zenzelezz | it's the space character I assume |
| 03:05.22 | Zicon | Looks to me like there are groups of Xs and Os. |
| 03:05.46 | raevanmorlock | Zicon you genius |
| 03:05.53 | Karrion | yeah, I'd start with trying the X X as the first char, the O =O= as the second... |
| 03:06.40 | Karrion | there are other ways you could encode it too |
| 03:07.20 | raevanmorlock | .. .- -- .- -. --- --- -... |
| 03:07.24 | raevanmorlock | IAMANOOB |
| 03:07.46 | Zicon | Makes sense. :P |
| 03:07.56 | raevanmorlock | Good job! |
| 03:07.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:08.03 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: yes, yes you are >.> |
| 03:08.08 | Karrion | j/k ;-) |
| 03:08.34 | raevanmorlock | No, I am. :( But it's okay. |
| 03:10.09 | raevanmorlock | Oh.. so back to my question. Is there any way to tell if an object is a Tooltip and not a table? |
| 03:13.20 | Shirik | a tooltip is a table |
| 03:13.36 | raevanmorlock | s/not a/not just a/ |
| 03:14.02 | Shirik | I suppose you could check its metatable; I assume that's how they're created |
| 03:14.12 | Shirik | why would you need to know? |
| 03:14.31 | raevanmorlock | I dunno... for safety? |
| 03:14.52 | Shirik | that sounds kinda a hackish safety to me |
| 03:15.15 | raevanmorlock | If I call Tooltip:GetScript() and Tooltip is set to something stupid like.. 6... then I'm gonna get an error |
| 03:15.52 | Shirik | I think the better answer would be, then |
| 03:16.04 | Shirik | pay attention to your variables |
| 03:16.14 | Shirik | _don't_ set it to something "stupid like 6" |
| 03:16.33 | Shirik | just because lua isn't type-strict doesn't mean you shouldn't care what types variables are |
| 03:16.56 | raevanmorlock | lol... I do care, that's why I was going to check it. I wouldn't set it to 6, but another addon might. |
| 03:18.03 | Shirik | why would another addon be changing your variables :/ |
| 03:18.22 | Shirik | long as you gave them unique names it's not something you should worry about |
| 03:18.33 | raevanmorlock | it's a paramter: ShowItemPrice.HookTooltip = function(Tooltip) |
| 03:18.57 | Shirik | then you should assume the user of that function knows what it's for; garbage in, garbage out |
| 03:19.52 | raevanmorlock | Usually I'm told to never assume anything and cater to the most idiotic person I can imagine |
| 03:20.03 | Shirik | substitute person with user and that's true |
| 03:20.20 | Shirik | a user is not going to be accessing a function directly |
| 03:20.31 | Shirik | a programmer shouldn't be stupid |
| 03:20.45 | raevanmorlock | Another addon maker would be _using_ my function :P |
| 03:20.54 | Shirik | another addon maker is hopefully a programmer |
| 03:21.11 | Karrion | I'm with raevanmorlock on this one, defensive programming is a Good Thing (tm) |
| 03:21.30 | Shirik | can't talk, in the ZF event >< |
| 03:21.37 | Shirik | will explain my position in a sec :P |
| 03:21.42 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 03:22.04 | Shirik | ok, Karrion, defensive programming is one thing |
| 03:22.05 | raevanmorlock | It's a good thing.. but it's more costly too. |
| 03:22.13 | Shirik | but you can't defend against everything |
| 03:22.21 | Karrion | though if the sanity check is processing intensive |
| 03:22.22 | Shirik | and you have to assume the person using your API knows what you're doing |
| 03:22.28 | Karrion | you need to find balance |
| 03:22.30 | Shirik | what the API's supposed to do * |
| 03:22.47 | Shirik | take directx apis for example, the buffer functions |
| 03:23.06 | Shirik | you can pass in whatever the hell pointer you want, but if you pass in anything other than a pointer to a buffer, your program will crash |
| 03:23.28 | raevanmorlock | .. which is a bad thing 'cause it doesn't tell you why it crashed |
| 03:23.47 | Shirik | a lua error won't crash |
| 03:23.51 | Shirik | and crashes ALWAYS give you error information |
| 03:23.52 | raevanmorlock | Spekaing of which... does Lua have a way of throwing and catching errors? |
| 03:23.59 | Shirik | two ways, yes |
| 03:24.24 | Shirik | and all that crap information (0xC0000005 access violation) |
| 03:24.26 | Shirik | that all means something |
| 03:24.27 | raevanmorlock | I've crashed my programs while working on them hundreds of times... all I ever get is a prompt asking if I'd like to report it or not |
| 03:24.32 | Karrion | I imagine testing whether the pointer is really a buffer would be pretty expensive, and directx is fairly low level, and needs to be _fast_, so that's the balance they chose |
| 03:24.41 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: If you click the "technical details" button |
| 03:24.42 | Shirik | it tells you |
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| 03:25.20 | raevanmorlock | If you understand the technical details, it tells you :) |
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| 03:25.20 | Shirik | in the error I gave before |
| 03:25.20 | Shirik | it would result in an access violation/segmentation fault |
| 03:25.20 | Karrion | whereas a higher level library, without as much time pressure... |
| 03:25.33 | Shirik | which does mean something |
| 03:25.38 | Karrion | imagine how much more secure the net would be if send() and recv() could do bounds checking ;-) |
| 03:26.07 | Shirik | the point is |
| 03:26.12 | Shirik | I can understand defending your program against users |
| 03:26.14 | Shirik | that's a given |
| 03:26.26 | Shirik | defending your API against programmers? |
| 03:26.40 | Shirik | only when it's the most simple assertions |
| 03:26.51 | Shirik | you should assume they know how to fix their mistakes |
| 03:26.52 | Karrion | meh programmers are human too, we make mistakes |
| 03:27.02 | Shirik | but you, unlike users, know how to fix them |
| 03:27.08 | raevanmorlock | And you shall pay for your mistakes with your lives! |
| 03:27.17 | Karrion | better to throw an error that makes it clear what the mistake is at least, if only to save time |
| 03:27.30 | Shirik | an error will be thrown either way |
| 03:27.38 | Karrion | but as I say, only if the assert is relatively inexpensive |
| 03:27.46 | Karrion | yeah but it might not be thrown till much later |
| 03:27.55 | Shirik | sure, it might be easier if the API tells you what exactly it is |
| 03:27.59 | Shirik | but it also could be very difficult to do that |
| 03:28.28 | Shirik | in which case I feel the cost:benefit ratio is too high |
| 03:28.55 | raevanmorlock | if type(Tooltip) ~= "table" then error("Must supple a Tooltip to HookTooltip()"); return; end |
| 03:29.06 | Shirik | THAT is a good assertion |
| 03:29.14 | raevanmorlock | supply* |
| 03:29.15 | Shirik | though not really what you asked for |
| 03:29.34 | raevanmorlock | Well... I simplified it figuring if they at least pass a table then they're on the right track |
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| 03:29.49 | Karrion | yep, though it only enforces that it's some kind of object, it's a start |
| 03:29.50 | Shirik | right, and THAT's a simple check |
| 03:29.56 | Shirik | that I can agree with |
| 03:30.04 | raevanmorlock | yay everybody's happy |
| 03:30.28 | Karrion | well the question then is, is there a reasonably simple check to narrow it down further? |
| 03:30.46 | Shirik | "simple" is very relative to how often the function is called |
| 03:31.02 | Karrion | yes, it is |
| 03:31.10 | chuckg | What if it's a lib JB? |
| 03:31.12 | raevanmorlock | I never liked that either, JoshBorke |
| 03:31.21 | JoshBorke | chuckg: how you make a picture of a lib? |
| 03:31.27 | chuckg | Haha. |
| 03:31.36 | chuckg | Defaults to a picture of the LOC? |
| 03:31.37 | Shirik | screenshot your addons folder obviously |
| 03:31.38 | Shirik | duh |
| 03:31.44 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 03:31.45 | chuckg | (Library of Congress) |
| 03:31.47 | chuckg | Or.. |
| 03:31.48 | PProvost | Make a picture that says LIB on it. :) |
| 03:31.49 | chuckg | Better yet. |
| 03:31.57 | JoshBorke | i think it should be conditional on the uploaded category |
| 03:31.59 | chuckg | It's a big picture of someone's increasing rate at 200kb. |
| 03:32.02 | chuckg | That's probably more accurate. |
| 03:32.04 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 03:32.32 | JoshBorke | anyway, night |
| 03:32.36 | raevanmorlock | night |
| 03:32.38 | Shirik | night |
| 03:32.48 | JoshBorke | approve me without a picture? ^_^ |
| 03:32.56 | Cairenn | nevah! |
| 03:33.13 | chuckg | Night JB. |
| 03:33.17 | raevanmorlock | JB, attach a transparent gif |
| 03:33.18 | JoshBorke | i'll 'borrow' one from tekkub, he never uploads appropriate pictures anyway |
| 03:33.33 | JoshBorke | like this one: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7288.jpg |
| 03:33.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:33.51 | Cairenn | night JoshBorke :) |
| 03:34.36 | Iriel | I have a 'this is not an image' image |
| 03:34.39 | JoshBorke | k, added picture |
| 03:34.43 | Shirik | oooh fun |
| 03:34.43 | Iriel | feel free to steal it from any addon you find it on |
| 03:34.54 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: if type(Tooltip) ~= "table" or Tooltip.ClearLines == nil then ? |
| 03:35.19 | JoshBorke | ok, really sleeping now, night |
| 03:35.44 | Shirik | I'll be honest |
| 03:35.48 | Shirik | the most major check I've ever made in an API |
| 03:35.52 | Shirik | is checking if a parameter is nil |
| 03:35.56 | raevanmorlock | Karrion: I think I'm gonna bag the idea altogether and make my addon as small and fast as possible instead |
| 03:36.41 | Shirik | of course, there are APIs with much more major checks |
| 03:36.49 | Shirik | take Blizzard's UnitXXX() functions for example |
| 03:36.54 | Shirik | where it checks to make sure the given UnitID is valid |
| 03:37.02 | Shirik | not necessarily exists, but valid |
| 03:37.45 | Corrodias | man, i'm excited about 2.1 |
| 03:37.50 | raevanmorlock | How many lines of code does a full-time programmer type in an average day? |
| 03:37.52 | Shirik | however, note that it does NOT check too far... for example, outside of a raid, it doesn't complain about UnitName("raid10"); |
| 03:37.55 | Corrodias | although i hope my busted addons are unbusted quickly as usual |
| 03:38.10 | chuckg | I've only ever had one patch that actually fixed bugs in my addons. |
| 03:38.15 | chuckg | That was the most glorious day ever. |
| 03:38.43 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: I frequently go through a day without typing a single line of code |
| 03:38.44 | Corrodias | lol |
| 03:39.04 | raevanmorlock | Karrion: Then what do you do all day? |
| 03:39.31 | Karrion | plan, design, test, document... |
| 03:39.32 | Shirik | reports :) |
| 03:39.45 | Karrion | and yeah, lots of paperwork :-( |
| 03:39.54 | Shirik | such is the life of a programmer |
| 03:40.07 | raevanmorlock | Alright, well.. on days that you do program, how much do you do? |
| 03:40.31 | Karrion | I don't think I've ever really counted... really depends what I'm doing |
| 03:40.46 | Corrodias | it's just too vague a question |
| 03:40.53 | Shirik | it really is |
| 03:40.59 | Corrodias | like... like... |
| 03:41.03 | Karrion | it's not impossible to write several Kloc in a day |
| 03:41.04 | Shirik | how do you quantify an amount of programming? |
| 03:41.11 | Karrion | "how long is a piece of string"? |
| 03:41.11 | Corrodias | asking a doctor how many stitches he ties per day |
| 03:41.15 | chuckg | Planning is 50% of the code work. |
| 03:41.17 | Shirik | to quote Bill Gates (and I hate doing that, but this is good) |
| 03:41.22 | chuckg | Debugging is 45%. |
| 03:41.24 | chuckg | 5% is writing it. |
| 03:41.35 | chuckg | That's how it usually goes for me, at least |
| 03:41.43 | Corrodias | i'm bad with planning |
| 03:41.48 | Karrion | today, for example (apart from chatting here) |
| 03:41.48 | Shirik | determining work done based on lines of code is like equating aircraft completion to its weight |
| 03:41.54 | Corrodias | i'm better than before but i still screw it up |
| 03:42.06 | Shirik | it's something like that |
| 03:42.24 | raevanmorlock | Heh.. sounds like something he'd say. |
| 03:43.09 | Corrodias | Depeche Mode - Blasphemous Rumours |
| 03:43.22 | Karrion | I'm going through design docments, drawing up plans of which parts of the interface require page loads and which can be ajax, investigating why a batch script hadn't run yet, going through bug reports, organising conference call to the US to discuss a communication API/protocol... |
| 03:44.02 | Karrion | if I'm lucky I might get to do some debugging, which would mean actually touching code |
| 03:44.19 | Karrion | but probably not adding many lines of it (hopefully!) |
| 03:44.42 | raevanmorlock | Sounds like managerial stuff |
| 03:45.46 | raevanmorlock | v:SetScript("OnShow", function() self:DoTheWoot(v); if old then old() end end) --- where's the self coming from? |
| 03:46.12 | Karrion | it's set by the environment when it actually calls the function |
| 03:46.17 | Karrion | (kinda) |
| 03:46.25 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: the function |
| 03:46.54 | Shirik | tbl:Function() ... end |
| 03:46.57 | Shirik | is equivalent to |
| 03:47.02 | Shirik | tbl.Function(self) ... end |
| 03:47.28 | raevanmorlock | I get that part.. but I thought the function defintiion had to be blah = function(self) in order for that to work |
| 03:47.56 | VoidRaider|Zz | it's implicit I guess |
| 03:48.03 | Shirik | sec I'll explain |
| 03:48.10 | Shirik | you have bad timing ofr questions |
| 03:48.11 | Karrion | oh and I need to get some phone ports repatched >.> |
| 03:48.24 | raevanmorlock | Bad timing? I ask questions constantly |
| 03:48.34 | Shirik | and I'm in boss fights constantly >< |
| 03:48.45 | Shirik | OK |
| 03:48.50 | Shirik | function a() ... end |
| 03:48.51 | Shirik | is equivalent to |
| 03:48.55 | Shirik | a = function() ... end |
| 03:49.48 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: essentially the event dispatch system will call your function passing self to it... SetScript() arranges it for you |
| 03:50.49 | raevanmorlock | The event dispatch... I don't think I understand that yet |
| 03:51.00 | Iriel | raevanmorlock: In your v:SetScript example self is not working how you think it is |
| 03:51.13 | Iriel | raevanmorlock: In your example it's likely an upvalue from the code that's invoking SetScript |
| 03:52.45 | Shirik | Iriel: I wonder if that's intentional? |
| 03:53.14 | raevanmorlock | What's an upvalue? Something that appears higher up in the same scope? |
| 03:55.52 | Shirik | function constructor(a) return function() return a+2; end end |
| 03:55.55 | Shirik | a is an upvalue |
| 03:58.33 | raevanmorlock | I think that confused me more |
| 04:00.27 | Shirik | ok |
| 04:00.28 | Shirik | in that example |
| 04:00.35 | Shirik | constructor() is a function which creates a function |
| 04:00.57 | Shirik | specifically, it makes a function which returns the value a+2 |
| 04:01.01 | Shirik | but, if you'll notice, the function it returns never "makes" an a |
| 04:01.21 | Shirik | instead, it uses the value "a" which was passed in at construction time |
| 04:01.34 | Iriel | Shadowed: I've seen it done that way, intentionally, in a number of 'object oriented' libraries |
| 04:02.05 | Iriel | OOps, that was supposed to be to Shirik |
| 04:02.05 | Iriel | Damn IRC client tab completion |
| 04:02.05 | Shirik | hehe |
| 04:02.05 | Shadowed | Was trying to figure out why you were talking to me |
| 04:02.05 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional, but I don't know |
| 04:02.26 | Iriel | An upvalue is a value that's local in an enclosing scope |
| 04:02.26 | raevanmorlock | http://www.pastey.net/13200 Does this look right? |
| 04:03.02 | Iriel | Line 20 is very wrong |
| 04:03.24 | raevanmorlock | Well.. 1 of 30 isn't bad |
| 04:03.33 | Iriel | I'd do function(self, ...) if script then script(self,...) end ShowItemPrice.OnTooltipSetItem(self,...); end |
| 04:03.46 | Iriel | I only really looked at that one since it seemed relevant |
| 04:03.52 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 04:04.26 | raevanmorlock | I was trying to follow this: http://wow-enchantwootomatic.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EnchantWootOMatic.lua -- which is where I was asking where the self came from |
| 04:04.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:04.54 | Shirik | That line |
| 04:04.58 | Shirik | comes from a long discussion |
| 04:05.07 | Shirik | don't repeat it if you don't understand it, it was a very specific case >< |
| 04:05.24 | raevanmorlock | okee-dokee |
| 04:05.30 | Shirik | it was because leethal's addon wasn't cooperating with mobinfo |
| 04:05.46 | Shirik | one of the two was overriding the other, and it was indeterminate which would take precedence |
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| 04:06.30 | Shirik | Anyway I shall be heading to bead now |
| 04:06.32 | Karrion | does OnTooltipSetItem even exist as a script? |
| 04:06.32 | Shirik | night all |
| 04:06.40 | VoidRaider | Night :) |
| 04:06.41 | Karrion | nn Shirik |
| 04:07.17 | Shirik | Karrion where did you see that o.o |
| 04:07.26 | raevanmorlock | Night |
| 04:07.34 | raevanmorlock | Thanks for the help |
| 04:07.37 | Karrion | in raevanmorlock's pastey |
| 04:08.04 | raevanmorlock | Karrion: It's a new thing |
| 04:08.19 | raevanmorlock | From one of Iriel's threads |
| 04:09.01 | Shirik | anyway.... |
| 04:09.05 | Shirik | night again >< |
| 04:09.50 | VoidRaider | Can I change the Cooldown backdrop color ? |
| 04:11.39 | Karrion | ah so it is, interesting |
| 04:12.07 | raevanmorlock | Yup. There's item_name, item_link = Tooltip:GetItem() too... and similar stuff for other things |
| 04:12.41 | Karrion | yeah I'd seen the methods, hadn't noticed the new widget events |
| 04:13.05 | raevanmorlock | They're perty :) Makes my life much easier |
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| 04:21.18 | VoidRaider | Is it possible to change the Cooldown circular animation color ? :| |
| 04:26.36 | raevanmorlock | ShowItemPrice.HookedTooltips = {}; ShowItemPrice.HookedTooltips:insert() -- attempt to call method insert (a nil value) ... meh? |
| 04:27.06 | Iriel | It's table.insert(ShowItemPrice.HookedTooltips, whatever) |
| 04:27.20 | raevanmorlock | VoidRaider: I don't have an exact answer for that, but generally when I want to change something, I use DevTools with /dtframestack to get the name of the object. Then search teh FrameXML files for that name to find it and narrow it down to exactly what I want to change. Then check the wowwiki for how to make that change |
| 04:29.04 | raevanmorlock | Iriel: I thought the colon was "syntactical sugar" for that :\ |
| 04:29.04 | VoidRaider | Yeah I guess I'll try that thought there's an API for changing it :P |
| 04:29.22 | Iriel | Had ShowItemPrice.HookedTooltips been an object with an insert method, it would've been, but it's not 8-) |
| 04:29.48 | raevanmorlock | It's a table! Bah |
| 04:30.09 | raevanmorlock | But ok.. it works now. My addon just went from working on inventory items to working on everything!! Woot |
| 04:30.20 | raevanmorlock | Well.. all items |
| 04:31.51 | raevanmorlock | What're everyone's thoughts on crediting yourself under your alias versus your real name? |
| 04:34.23 | VoidRaider | I guess it boils down to how anonymous you wanna be ? :P |
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| 04:35.39 | raevanmorlock | Does DevTools have any means to get the name of a tooltip that disappears before you can mouse-over it? |
| 04:44.25 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: I tend to use this name for all my wow/addon related activities (or this name combined with my realm); it's who I am in the game, so it's who I am in the community |
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| 04:45.28 | Karrion | I don't exactly _hide_ my real name though |
| 04:47.28 | Iriel2 | hm |
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| 04:48.06 | VoidRaider | Well it seems that there's no way to change the Cooldown color :P |
| 04:48.36 | raevanmorlock | There must be a way to change it since there was a way to set it |
| 04:48.41 | Iriel | No SetVertexColor or equivalent? |
| 04:50.04 | VoidRaider | Not true Reaven, you can set something internally without it being exposed externally |
| 04:51.34 | VoidRaider | yeah I'll try it Iriel I think it will work haha :P |
| 04:51.38 | raevanmorlock | You can... but I've never had that problem in WoW. |
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| 04:54.39 | VoidRaider | I thought that SetVertexColor works only on textures so I haven't even tried it haha :P |
| 04:55.25 | Iriel | I have no idea if its possible there, but it'd be worth trying |
| 04:55.46 | raevanmorlock | Don't be modest, Iriel.. you know everything. |
| 04:55.53 | VoidRaider | Yeah, I'll try it and see, I hope it does otherwise I'll have to be creative :P |
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| 04:56.29 | Iriel | One thing I DO know for sure is that my desk is a horrific mess |
| 04:56.53 | VoidRaider | haha :) |
| 04:57.22 | Nom- | lol my desk is too |
| 04:57.33 | VoidRaider | Dunno how you work then, I can't work at all if my desk is not clean and sorted :P |
| 04:57.59 | raevanmorlock | Mine is working its way towards becoming a horrific mess |
| 04:58.05 | Nom- | I can never find anything unless it's all messily laid out all over my desk |
| 04:58.06 | VoidRaider | hahah :D |
| 04:58.30 | Nom- | In fact |
| 04:58.54 | Nom- | It'd take me about 20 minutes to find anything I did more than 4 weeks ago, because that's the last time I cleaned out my stuff |
| 04:59.16 | Nom- | Whereas anything done more recently, i'll have within 5 seconds :P |
| 04:59.54 | VoidRaider | The only thing I have messy and I barely handle it is my math projects and the papers that I am so lazy to sort :P |
| 05:00.34 | VoidRaider | I just drop them somewhere and forget that it's even exist :P |
| 05:03.17 | raevanmorlock | It's funny watching goes fawning over girls |
| 05:03.20 | Nom- | Sounds like what I do with my design docs |
| 05:03.22 | Nom- | :P |
| 05:03.22 | raevanmorlock | s/goes/guys/ |
| 05:05.05 | Iriel | Mid-cleanup mess: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/mess.jpg |
| 05:06.08 | raevanmorlock | No empty pizza boxes? I'm impressed. |
| 05:06.24 | Nom- | raevanmorlock: It's mid-cleanup... |
| 05:06.32 | Iriel | Those stay in the kitchen |
| 05:06.40 | VoidRaider | Hahaha :P |
| 05:07.28 | raevanmorlock | That's a pretty nice setup.. I just have a single monitor on a card table |
| 05:07.52 | Iriel | That was where I was at 11 years ago |
| 05:08.00 | Nom- | I've only got one monitor :( |
| 05:08.08 | Nom- | My workstation has two :) |
| 05:09.04 | Nom- | I got a pair of 19" LCDs @ work |
| 05:09.04 | Nom- | Just the one 19" @ home |
| 05:09.09 | raevanmorlock | How old are you, Iriel? |
| 05:09.15 | Nom- | I plan to upgrade to a 22" Widescreen soon |
| 05:09.28 | Iriel | I'll be 35 later this year |
| 05:09.56 | raevanmorlock | So I'm the same age you were 11 years ago.. heh |
| 05:10.21 | Nom- | Except our generation should be going quicker, damnit! |
| 05:10.34 | Iriel | You get cooler stuff |
| 05:10.42 | Iriel | that monitor I had on a card table... 15" |
| 05:10.54 | Nom- | 15" CRT FTL :( |
| 05:11.07 | Iriel | and the machine under it, 486/66 with a 40MB hard drive and 16MB of RAM |
| 05:11.15 | Nom- | The only thing I hate about LCDs is how low resolution they are :( |
| 05:11.33 | Nom- | I want a 17" Widescreen LCD that'll do 1980x1240 |
| 05:11.35 | Iriel | I dont think they're low res, the widescreen ones on my desk are 1920 x 1200 |
| 05:11.36 | raevanmorlock | Those specs sound bad today.. but I'm sure they were nice back then |
| 05:11.37 | Nom- | or whatever the rez is |
| 05:11.47 | Nom- | Iriel: What size? |
| 05:12.03 | Iriel | 24" and 23" |
| 05:12.13 | Nom- | ah yeah i can't afford to go that big |
| 05:12.21 | Iriel | They're going down in price all the tim e |
| 05:12.23 | raevanmorlock | Mine only goes up to 1440x900 |
| 05:12.27 | Nom- | The price difference right now is staggering |
| 05:12.36 | Iriel | The one on the left cost half as much as the one in the middle, and it's bigger |
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| 05:12.48 | Nom- | 22" WS LCD = 499 |
| 05:12.50 | Iriel | a 3 year difference, IIRC |
| 05:12.53 | Nom- | 24" WS LCD = 959 |
| 05:13.22 | Nom- | Sure, it'd be nice, but I can't justify 960 for a monitor |
| 05:13.26 | raevanmorlock | Hey man.. those extra 2 inches cost alot to make! |
| 05:13.32 | Nom- | 500 is justifiable |
| 05:13.35 | Iriel | My 24" was a bit under 24" at Best Buy, i'm sure you can do better online. Having said that, it's a Gateway so it's not quite as 'uber' as the others |
| 05:13.46 | Iriel | A bit under $800, I mean |
| 05:13.55 | Nom- | This is AUD |
| 05:13.59 | Nom- | Not USD |
| 05:14.15 | Iriel | Ah, I have no idea what the exchange rate is for electronics there 8-) |
| 05:14.17 | Nom- | So it's 20% more expensive for the same gear here |
| 05:14.33 | Nom- | Basically 1AUD = 0.80USD last i checked |
| 05:14.35 | Nom- | somewhere around there |
| 05:15.01 | Nom- | 1.00 AUD |
| 05:15.02 | Nom- | = |
| 05:15.02 | Nom- | 0.832563 USD |
| 05:15.07 | Nom- | There ya go :P |
| 05:15.20 | raevanmorlock | Don't you guys make 20% more though then? |
| 05:15.43 | Nom- | lol depends on your comparison baseline |
| 05:15.59 | Nom- | "minimum wage" for a full time person is around 28K |
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| 05:16.11 | Tem | Nom-, I got my 22inch for cheaper than 500 |
| 05:16.18 | Tem | oh |
| 05:16.19 | Tem | not usd |
| 05:16.22 | Tem | okay |
| 05:16.23 | Nom- | might be a bit less than that, but yeah, it's a LOT better than min wage in USA |
| 05:16.29 | VoidRaider | SetVertexColor is not working on the Cooldown :P |
| 05:16.40 | Iriel | VoidRaider: 8-( |
| 05:16.45 | VoidRaider | :| |
| 05:16.55 | raevanmorlock | 28k sounds pretty high for minimum wage |
| 05:16.56 | Iriel | VoidRaider: Let me take a quick look -- do you have the name of one offhand? |
| 05:17.14 | Iriel | Actually, you've got devtools installed, just try... |
| 05:17.25 | Nom- | http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/lr/labourrelations/content/Wages%20and%20Conditions/Wages%20and%20Awards/Pages/Minimum%20Wage%20Rates.html |
| 05:17.27 | Nom- | There you go :P |
| 05:17.29 | Nom- | It's aged base actually |
| 05:17.44 | Nom- | $504.40 per week before tax |
| 05:17.47 | Iriel | ..... /dump getmetatable(SomeCooldownObject)["_index"] |
| 05:17.51 | Nom- | So it's a little below 28K |
| 05:18.04 | Nom- | 26K and change |
| 05:18.24 | raevanmorlock | Full time there is 40 hrs/wk, right? |
| 05:18.29 | Nom- | raevanmorlock: Yes |
| 05:18.38 | VoidRaider | Yeah I'll try in a min |
| 05:18.38 | Tem | wtb those pay rates |
| 05:18.46 | raevanmorlock | So that's like 12-13/hr? |
| 05:18.57 | Tem | what the university gives me for my time is a pittance in comparison |
| 05:19.01 | Nom- | It's on that page |
| 05:19.05 | Iriel | What's the tax rate like there? |
| 05:19.06 | Nom- | $13.27 per hour for full time |
| 05:19.12 | Nom- | $15.93 for casual |
| 05:19.14 | Iriel | I'm assuming those are pre-tax earnings? |
| 05:19.22 | Nom- | Yes, all pre-tax |
| 05:19.24 | Tem | Nom-, what does "casual" mean? |
| 05:19.38 | Nom- | Tem: No leave, sick days etc |
| 05:19.44 | raevanmorlock | That's like double our minimum wage |
| 05:19.52 | Nom- | Tem: You come into work, you get paid. Don't come in, you don't get paid. |
| 05:20.01 | Tem | sounds like my job... |
| 05:20.20 | Nom- | Tax is pretty high here... it scales up based on how much you earn |
| 05:20.29 | Nom- | Like the first 12k a year or something is free |
| 05:20.47 | Tem | raevanmorlock, that's 2 and a half times our minimum wage |
| 05:21.01 | Karrion | Nom-: unless you're on an AWA, then they can make you trade away your minimum wage >.> |
| 05:21.03 | Nom- | Minimum wage in the US is a joke :P |
| 05:21.15 | Nom- | Karrion: Yes, but you make your decision to sign the AWA |
| 05:21.33 | Tem | there was a bill recently to raise the minimum wage |
| 05:21.45 | Nom- | AWA is basically an employmetn contract |
| 05:21.48 | raevanmorlock | By like a quarter, maybe |
| 05:22.10 | Tem | raevanmorlock, several dollars |
| 05:22.10 | Nom- | So they lay out everything, like holiday days, sick leave etc |
| 05:22.10 | Karrion | yeah... "sign it or you're fired", totally your choice ;-p |
| 05:22.16 | Tem | raevanmorlock, I wanna say it was to 9 dollars and something |
| 05:22.31 | raevanmorlock | Over 9? No way |
| 05:22.32 | Nom- | Karrion: Actually, if you're already an employee they can't do that |
| 05:22.32 | Tem | or maybe 7 dollars and something |
| 05:22.38 | Nom- | Karrion: They can do it for new hires though |
| 05:22.49 | Tem | raevanmorlock, not to go into effect until 2009 or something |
| 05:23.23 | Nom- | Karrion: And, most people don't realise that the AWA is negotiable |
| 05:23.53 | Tem | raevanmorlock, just looked it up, it's being raised to 7.25 by 11 march 2009 |
| 05:23.56 | Nom- | Here... 0K to 6K = 0% tax, 6K to 25K = 15% tax, 25K to 75K = 30% tax 75K+ = 40% tax |
| 05:24.09 | raevanmorlock | If they do raise the minimum wage that high, we'll probably see alot more jobs going overseas. |
| 05:24.11 | Karrion | negotiable in theory, but the employer has all the bargaining power-- anyway, this is offtopic |
| 05:24.29 | Tem | raevanmorlock, it'll be a gradual increase over the time once it's signed to march 11 2009 |
| 05:24.46 | Nom- | 7.25 is still insane though |
| 05:25.00 | Nom- | Anything that requires you to work 16 hours a day to get a decent incomine is insane |
| 05:25.27 | Tem | you can live off of minimum wage |
| 05:25.34 | Nom- | Even McDonalds over here abides by the pay rates i listed earlier |
| 05:25.38 | Nom- | At least, they used to |
| 05:25.42 | Nom- | They might use AWAs now |
| 05:25.49 | Tem | you just can't live the way I want to |
| 05:25.52 | Nom- | Tem: I don't see how... |
| 05:25.57 | raevanmorlock | I was doing data entry for awhile and they started us off at 8/hr and bumped up to 9/hr after 3 months.. it sucked so much |
| 05:26.05 | Tem | Nom-, you buy cheap stuff |
| 05:26.05 | Nom- | $290 a week wouldn't even cover rent over here |
| 05:26.05 | Nom- | Seriously |
| 05:26.39 | Nom- | a 2 bedrom, 1 bath house/unit would be about 350 a week |
| 05:26.45 | VoidRaider | Iriel, I get an empty result ? |
| 05:26.55 | Tem | it may not be enough to live without government help |
| 05:27.09 | Nom- | That's only coz our property prices have gone absolutely nuts in the last 3 years |
| 05:27.18 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i don't know australian prices... |
| 05:27.26 | Nom- | You used to be able to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house for 240 a week |
| 05:27.28 | Tem | but I think the idea is that you don't stay a minimum wage employee forever |
| 05:27.38 | Tem | you work your way up from there |
| 05:27.43 | raevanmorlock | With a car, studio apartment, cable, and the like.. my bills come out to a bit over 2k/month |
| 05:27.49 | Nom- | Tem: From what I hear, that's pretty rare for many people |
| 05:27.59 | Karrion | Nom-: you can probably get a bit cheaper out in the 'burbs.. but yeah my place in inner Melb is around that |
| 05:28.04 | Tem | it's rare for people without educations |
| 05:28.13 | Tem | which is a problem indeed |
| 05:28.26 | raevanmorlock | And people at minimum wage can't afford the education, so... |
| 05:28.34 | Tem | ah, but that's not true |
| 05:28.38 | Nom- | Yeah, purpetuates the cycle |
| 05:28.44 | Tem | public school is free |
| 05:28.51 | Tem | up until university level |
| 05:28.53 | raevanmorlock | I mean college education |
| 05:28.55 | Nom- | public schools in the US are shite from what I hear |
| 05:28.59 | Tem | if you don't complete that much, it's your own fault |
| 05:29.05 | raevanmorlock | Anything less than a bachelor's degree is practically worthless |
| 05:29.16 | Tem | (or your parents' if you're too young to really be responsible) |
| 05:29.28 | Nom- | Compared to the US, the public schools over here are freakin awesome |
| 05:29.48 | Nom- | There are bad schools everywhere of course |
| 05:29.53 | raevanmorlock | The US does have some of the worst public schools in the world |
| 05:29.55 | Tem | also, once you complete high school, the number of programs to give money to low-income students is through the roof |
| 05:30.01 | Nom- | But even rich parents tend to let their kids go to public school |
| 05:30.04 | Nom- | over here that is |
| 05:30.16 | Nom- | HOWEVER, public school technically isn't free here either |
| 05:30.28 | Nom- | Most schools have resource fees for many courses |
| 05:30.43 | Tem | same here |
| 05:30.49 | raevanmorlock | But it's not just the schools.. I think parents are much more relaxed about their children's education here too |
| 05:30.49 | Tem | but you can be exempt from them |
| 05:30.50 | Nom- | Like books and elective courses like woodworking/metalworking have a significant fee attached |
| 05:31.27 | Nom- | Tem: Depends on the school...over here they set the fees, it's not set by the government |
| 05:31.43 | Nom- | Some public schools can actually deny students access to resources if they haven't paid their fees |
| 05:31.50 | Tem | well, here, if your family is "low income" you get everything for free |
| 05:31.53 | Tem | _everything_ |
| 05:32.12 | Tem | books, class fees, lunch |
| 05:32.28 | Tem | you can even get free uniforms |
| 05:32.38 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 05:32.42 | Nom- | That's in the US, Tem ? |
| 05:32.55 | Tem | transportation to and from the school is also free |
| 05:32.56 | Tem | Nom-, yes |
| 05:33.02 | Nom- | Yeah, it's not here :) |
| 05:33.15 | Nom- | Even if you're a low income family you have to pay for transport to/from school and lunch (at least) |
| 05:33.35 | Nom- | In most cases you must buy some textbooks too |
| 05:33.48 | VoidRaider | You don't want to know how these things works in Israel haha |
| 05:33.49 | Nom- | Sometimes you can rent from the school (but often not) |
| 05:33.59 | Nom- | VoidRaider: I just assume they don't? :P |
| 05:34.04 | Tem | VoidRaider, you're in Israel? |
| 05:34.09 | VoidRaider | Yup :) |
| 05:34.27 | Tem | and when you graduate high school, you can apply for a government subsidised student loan for college |
| 05:34.40 | Tem | what that means is as long as you don't flunk out, you don't have to pay them back |
| 05:34.40 | VoidRaider | Here if you don't have high income you're simply worthless :D |
| 05:35.06 | Tem | VoidRaider, so, what part of Israel? |
| 05:35.16 | VoidRaider | Tel-Aviv |
| 05:36.22 | Tem | lol, google maps has no road data for all of isreal |
| 05:36.57 | raevanmorlock | ... maybe they have no roads? |
| 05:37.25 | VoidRaider | Everything here is costy, not to speak of the government which 90% of them barely finish school, but hey they have money :| |
| 05:37.27 | Tem | that's entirely possible |
| 05:37.32 | Tem | VoidRaider, you guys have roads? |
| 05:38.23 | raevanmorlock | oh wow.. the roads in Egypt go right up to the border of Israel and stop |
| 05:38.39 | VoidRaider | Well roads, what's that ? :P |
| 05:38.59 | raevanmorlock | Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia.. all blank. That's crazy. |
| 05:39.48 | raevanmorlock | Zoom in.. it's just all white |
| 05:39.56 | Tem | lol same for china |
| 05:40.00 | VoidRaider | Well we do have roads, Israel is pretty much developed the same as the US, but the economy favor the rich :) |
| 05:40.17 | Tem | except they have roads in hong kong |
| 05:40.33 | Karrion | probably a combination of google not having gotten around to those countries, or the countries not giving google the info |
| 05:41.01 | Tem | oh god don't look at japan |
| 05:41.06 | raevanmorlock | They have satellite imagery, but it doesn't zoom in very close |
| 05:41.12 | Corrodias | japan has some fucking massive cities |
| 05:41.16 | raevanmorlock | And even that is pretty white |
| 05:41.18 | Tem | it's all in japanese |
| 05:41.28 | Tem | but like, kanji |
| 05:41.34 | Tem | not romanized |
| 05:41.55 | raevanmorlock | What is southern Israel? Snowy mountains? |
| 05:42.03 | VoidRaider | Our minister of defence barely know how to use field-glasses, it's just that sad :P |
| 05:42.32 | VoidRaider | Yeah Reavan :) |
| 05:42.40 | Tem | raevanmorlock, zoom in more |
| 05:42.46 | Tem | it's just black and white at that level |
| 05:43.23 | raevanmorlock | If I zoom in, it says they don't have imagery for that area at that level |
| 05:43.58 | VoidRaider | It's actually really nice place :) |
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| 05:44.08 | raevanmorlock | It looks nice along the river |
| 05:44.23 | raevanmorlock | The mountains look scary |
| 05:44.29 | VoidRaider | Haha :D |
| 05:44.53 | raevanmorlock | I should study geography more... I don't think I could even name the 50 states |
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| 05:45.24 | VoidRaider | Geography haha sucks :P |
| 05:46.19 | raevanmorlock | So when do you start learning English in Israel? |
| 05:46.25 | Corrodias | cultural geography can get really interesting |
| 05:46.45 | Corrodias | anything more than just landmarks |
| 05:47.04 | VoidRaider | Well I learnt english all by myself actually :P |
| 05:47.36 | Corrodias | i learned how to masturbate all by mysel |
| 05:47.38 | Corrodias | *f |
| 05:47.40 | nuoHep | id love to work in astralia, but live in russia :/ too bad we dont have such wage rates here :( |
| 05:47.43 | raevanmorlock | lol Corrodias |
| 05:47.59 | nuoHep | australia* |
| 05:48.17 | Tem | I didn't realize we had people in this channel from places outside US + AU + EU |
| 05:48.27 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
| 05:48.50 | Tem | s/US/US + CA/ |
| 05:49.01 | Thunder_Child1 | heh Tem |
| 05:49.11 | Tem | (yes, that's right, Cairenn, Canada was an afterthought) |
| 05:49.30 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 05:49.58 | raevanmorlock | The geography around Alaska looks way different from anything I remember seeing back in high school |
| 05:50.24 | Tem | Cairenn, 2 |
| 05:50.37 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:51.53 | raevanmorlock | I should just stay clueless about geography... it's scaring me how much nothing looks the way I thought it did |
| 05:52.01 | Tem | lol |
| 05:52.10 | Tem | were you expecting the great white north to be all white? |
| 05:52.34 | raevanmorlock | Well, I didn't realize Alaska was like a stone's throw from Russia... at least, I think that was Russia |
| 05:52.48 | raevanmorlock | and I had no idea at all that Greenland stretched so far noth |
| 05:52.50 | raevanmorlock | north* |
| 05:52.51 | VoidRaider | What do you learn at the US as your 2nd foreign language ? |
| 05:53.03 | Tem | bearing land bridge much? |
| 05:53.14 | Tem | VoidRaider, it's mostly up to the region |
| 05:53.24 | VoidRaider | oh :D |
| 05:53.30 | Cairenn | raevanmorlock: no offense - where are you from? |
| 05:53.31 | raevanmorlock | VoidRaider: We really don't learn a 2nd language. My high school gave a choice of taking 2 years of Spanish or 2 years of French, but nobody really learns it. |
| 05:53.43 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 05:53.47 | Tem | my part of the country has a heavy french background, so most people around here learn French |
| 05:53.55 | nuoHep | raevanmorlock, well. you are right. that was Russia |
| 05:53.56 | VoidRaider | We have 4 languages :| |
| 05:53.57 | raevanmorlock | Cairenn: US |
| 05:53.58 | Tem | and yeah, most people don't really learn their second language |
| 05:54.20 | Cairenn | raevanmorlock: /sigh, and yet again further proof that the US school system SUCKS |
| 05:54.21 | Tem | they just take the classes and forget it |
| 05:54.32 | Tem | Cairenn, hey now |
| 05:54.32 | raevanmorlock | Cairenn: We were talking about that earlier :) |
| 05:54.39 | Tem | don't lump me in with him |
| 05:54.43 | Cairenn | *I* can name the 50 states, and I'm not american, for pity's sake |
| 05:54.46 | raevanmorlock | haha Tem |
| 05:55.25 | raevanmorlock | I remember some stuff from my Spanish courses... basic grammar rules and the word sacapuntas! But that's about it. |
| 05:55.26 | Tem | it might take him a while, but he can |
| 05:55.48 | Tem | I fluently speak french |
| 05:56.00 | VoidRaider | Nice :) |
| 05:56.00 | raevanmorlock | My friend and I were trying to name them the other day.. individually. I think she got to 45 and I struggled to get around 30-35. |
| 05:56.02 | Tem | I can't write it very well, but I can read and speak it just fine |
| 05:56.09 | Cairenn | for all the joking around that is done about it - it's amazing how many Americans actually believe that crap about us living in igloos year round, etc |
| 05:56.11 | VoidRaider | Tem where are you from mate ? |
| 05:56.22 | Tem | VoidRaider, Louisiana |
| 05:56.28 | VoidRaider | ah :) |
| 05:56.30 | Iriel | Cairenn: That's because it's true, whether you admit it or not |
| 05:56.32 | raevanmorlock | In Canada? No... Alaskans live in igloos! |
| 05:56.46 | Tem | yeah, srsly, Cairenn. |
| 05:56.53 | Thunder_Child1 | i agree with Iriel |
| 05:57.01 | raevanmorlock | And during the day, they march out of their igloos with their trusty pointy sticks and spear whales for dinner. |
| 05:57.16 | Thunder_Child1 | in canada they spear americans |
| 05:57.19 | Cairenn | and watch the penguins frolicking :p |
| 05:57.23 | raevanmorlock | lol TC |
| 05:57.28 | Thunder_Child1 | mmmm...roasted americans |
| 05:57.34 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: no, no, it's the japanese that spear whales for dinner |
| 05:57.35 | Tem | by the same token, it annoys me how many people think everyone in the south is toothless hillbillies who live in a house on pillings feet from the swamp's edge |
| 05:57.40 | Karrion | s/spear/research/ |
| 05:57.46 | Corrodias | that's ridiculous |
| 05:57.55 | Corrodias | there isn't nearly enough swamp |
| 05:57.59 | Thunder_Child1 | Tem, they have at least -one- tooth |
| 05:58.15 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. and I hate how everyone thinks that Texans are blood-thirsty inbreds with a penchant for the death penalty... oh, wait... |
| 05:58.18 | Corrodias | nah, i'm kidding, there probably is |
| 05:58.30 | VoidRaider | Iriel btw dunno if you seen it, I ran the command /dump getmetatable("SpellTimersTargetDebuff1Cooldown")["_index"] and it gave me empty results :P |
| 05:58.43 | Thunder_Child1 | Tem, prove me wrong |
| 05:59.00 | Thunder_Child1 | that you have no teeth? |
| 05:59.07 | Tem | owned |
| 05:59.33 | raevanmorlock | Southern people are big on pie, aren't they? |
| 05:59.34 | Thunder_Child1 | yes, pie would be the only thing you could easily gum |
| 06:00.23 | Thunder_Child1 | well that and mashers |
| 06:00.23 | Tem | >< |
| 06:00.23 | Tem | oh man |
| 06:00.23 | raevanmorlock | We love ya, Tem |
| 06:00.45 | Tem | movies like "The Waterboy" are a bad influence |
| 06:00.54 | Thunder_Child1 | and stupid |
| 06:00.56 | Corrodias | that was a fantastic movie |
| 06:00.59 | raevanmorlock | I love that movie |
| 06:01.11 | Thunder_Child1 | STUPID!!! |
| 06:01.12 | Corrodias | foosball |
| 06:01.13 | raevanmorlock | "That's some high quality H2O" |
| 06:01.16 | Tem | that movie had rob schnider in it |
| 06:01.22 | Nom- | Texas is a whacked state |
| 06:01.22 | Tem | therefor it fails |
| 06:01.29 | Iriel | VoidRaider: Odd. |
| 06:01.37 | raevanmorlock | He's in all of Adam Sandlers's movies |
| 06:01.37 | VoidRaider | Yeah :| |
| 06:01.39 | Nom- | They keep moving the IQ bar lower so they can zap more people |
| 06:01.53 | Tem | raevanmorlock, he's not in Mr. Deeds |
| 06:01.55 | Thunder_Child1 | and vice versa raevanmorlock |
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| 06:02.04 | Nom- | One day, just one day |
| 06:02.09 | Tem | er |
| 06:02.13 | Nom- | They might move the IQ bar low enough so they can Zap GW |
| 06:02.13 | Tem | not mr. deeds |
| 06:02.20 | raevanmorlock | Fine.. he's in MOST |
| 06:02.21 | Iriel | oh, i missed an _ |
| 06:02.26 | Iriel | its __index |
| 06:02.32 | Tem | what's that movie where he inherits a billion dollars? |
| 06:02.37 | VoidRaider | oops oh right :D |
| 06:02.43 | raevanmorlock | Mr. Deeds? |
| 06:02.56 | Tem | okay, that is the right title |
| 06:02.57 | VoidRaider | There we go :) |
| 06:03.04 | raevanmorlock | You mentioned it twice |
| 06:03.05 | Tem | raevanmorlock, also, I don't remember him in Happy Gilmore |
| 06:03.21 | Thunder_Child1 | "Mr. Deeds (2002) (uncredited) .... Nazo, the Italian Delivery Man" |
| 06:03.26 | raevanmorlock | He was in the crowd shouting "You can do it!" |
| 06:03.47 | Tem | wasn't that billy madison? |
| 06:03.56 | Corrodias | that reminds me, little nicky is the best |
| 06:03.59 | raevanmorlock | He says that line in all of the movies |
| 06:04.09 | Tem | nor do I remember him in little nicky |
| 06:04.23 | Thunder_Child1 | according to imdb he was not in happy gilmore, but was in deeds |
| 06:04.26 | Thunder_Child1 | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001705/ |
| 06:04.27 | Corrodias | you can do it, ozzie! bite his freakin' head off! |
| 06:04.50 | Tem | anyway... |
| 06:05.06 | Thunder_Child1 | "# Little Nicky (2000) .... Townie" |
| 06:05.22 | raevanmorlock | IMDB needs a cross-reference function so I can see all the movies they were in together.. there's alot of 'em |
| 06:06.08 | Zicon | IMDb has such a function. Hidden away in search, I believe. |
| 06:06.24 | Tem | also that family guy episode where they get moved to the town of "bumblescum" in the federal witness protection program |
| 06:07.06 | raevanmorlock | Zicon: Where's the search? lol |
| 06:07.06 | Tem | (now, I thought that episode was hillarious, but I still think it just feeds the negative image given to the south) |
| 06:07.34 | Zicon | raevanmorlock: Uhm. In the top middle of the screen..? |
| 06:07.37 | Corrodias | Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb |
| 06:08.19 | raevanmorlock | Zicon: Yeah I'm stupid... what do you do? Like Name AND Name? |
| 06:08.27 | raevanmorlock | Corrodias: Wasn't that South Park? |
| 06:08.36 | Corrodias | yes, but i can't find the episode name/number |
| 06:08.44 | raevanmorlock | www.allsp.com |
| 06:09.04 | Corrodias | possibly it's "the one where cartman is possessed" |
| 06:09.27 | Zicon | raevanmorlock: more > people working together |
| 06:10.25 | raevanmorlock | aw friggin nav bars.. I never notice them |
| 06:10.27 | Corrodias | " The Biggest Douche in the Universe" -- i'll see if this is it |
| 06:11.33 | raevanmorlock | That was with the dude that talks to dead people |
| 06:11.51 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 06:12.13 | raevanmorlock | There.. they've been in 59 things together.. including a moving coming out next year |
| 06:12.37 | raevanmorlock | Though about 30 of them were episodes of SNL |
| 06:13.10 | JunkHead-Work | Rob Schneider? |
| 06:13.12 | raevanmorlock | 40 of them.. lol |
| 06:13.39 | raevanmorlock | Rob Schneider and Adam Sandler |
| 06:14.07 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0456554/ |
| 06:14.13 | JunkHead-Work | This is a reccommended movie. |
| 06:14.26 | Corrodias | rob schneider was an animal. then he was a woman. and now, rob schneider is... a stapler! |
| 06:14.30 | raevanmorlock | That was a great movie |
| 06:14.50 | Corrodias | and he's about to find out that being a stapler is harder than it looks. |
| 06:14.50 | raevanmorlock | And he's going to find out that being a stapler isn't all it's cracked up to be! |
| 06:14.58 | raevanmorlock | Yeah that too |
| 06:15.08 | Corrodias | rob schneider is The Stapler, rated PG-13 |
| 06:15.13 | VoidRaider | Hmm K, the output I'm getting is a list of functions that are pretty much irrelevant ? |
| 06:15.43 | Iriel | VoidRaider: sadly the list cuts off too soon |
| 06:16.05 | VoidRaider | Anyway to see the whole list ? |
| 06:16.36 | Iriel | probably 8-) - one sec |
| 06:16.45 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 06:16.55 | JunkHead-Work | Ok can someone tell me what week this is for the maintenance stuff? |
| 06:17.07 | JunkHead-Work | Ever since they changed it up, I never know when maintenance is or isn't. |
| 06:17.16 | Iriel | VoidRaider: /script DEVTOOLS_MAX_ENTRY_CUTOFF = 100 |
| 06:17.28 | raevanmorlock | What maintenance stuff? |
| 06:17.37 | JunkHead-Work | Weekly WoW maintenance. |
| 06:18.51 | Corrodias | i think junkhead is suggesting it's only once every 2 weeks now |
| 06:18.54 | Corrodias | but i don't think that's the case |
| 06:19.07 | VoidRaider | Hmm Weird same results :| |
| 06:19.12 | Tem | oh, but that's true, Corrodias |
| 06:19.17 | Tem | I just don't know when it starts |
| 06:19.24 | Tem | I remember reading that somewhere |
| 06:19.38 | JunkHead-Work | Well, they changed it up, and it's supposed to be maintenance one week, then rolling restarts, then maintenance, then a patch or restarts or something... |
| 06:19.40 | Zicon | Maintenance one week, rolling restarts the next. |
| 06:19.46 | Tem | yeah |
| 06:19.47 | JunkHead-Work | But yet it seems they don't stick to it. |
| 06:19.49 | Corrodias | i see |
| 06:20.17 | JunkHead-Work | Because I think last time there was supposed to be restarts they had 3 hour downtime or something. |
| 06:20.17 | JunkHead-Work | So I can't keep up with it. |
| 06:20.17 | Tem | meh |
| 06:21.32 | Nom- | There's meant to be |
| 06:21.36 | Nom- | But shit happens :) |
| 06:21.46 | Nom- | They *might* have no downtime tonight, given they took 3 hours last week |
| 06:21.50 | Nom- | But I doubt it |
| 06:21.59 | JunkHead-Work | Oh I understand shit happens. |
| 06:22.04 | JunkHead-Work | Emergencies and whatnot. |
| 06:22.18 | JunkHead-Work | But I mean, even if they didn't... I don't remember the schedule anyway. |
| 06:22.36 | Corrodias | rob schneider is a wall street executive with everything going for him. only problem is, he's about to become... a carrot! |
| 06:23.06 | Thunder_Child1 | it's an improvement |
| 06:23.32 | Corrodias | it's "24-karet" comedy. rob schneider is A Carrot! |
| 06:23.34 | Iriel | VoidRaider: As far as I can tell from the full method list, there's no way to change it. |
| 06:23.38 | Nom- | The schedule was just simply to have maintenence every fortnight |
| 06:23.42 | Corrodias | (rated pg-13) |
| 06:23.48 | VoidRaider | Ah thanks Iriel :| |
| 06:24.01 | Nom- | If they have a downtime week, then a patch week, the following week will be a no-downtime week |
| 06:24.08 | Zicon | Mmm, carrot cake. |
| 06:24.16 | Nom- | ie. restarts,downtime,patch,restarts,downtime,restarts |
| 06:24.17 | Nom- | etc |
| 06:24.23 | raevanmorlock | Southpark is great |
| 06:24.24 | JunkHead-Work | Ok so what happens this week? |
| 06:24.29 | VoidRaider | Maybe it's a good candidate for a suggestion then ? :P |
| 06:24.34 | Nom- | That remains to be seen |
| 06:24.43 | Nom- | It wasn't a patch |
| 06:24.52 | Nom- | And technically it was meant to be a restarts week |
| 06:25.13 | JunkHead-Work | Ok see you at least remember what week it's "supposed" to be. |
| 06:25.14 | Nom- | My guess would be regular downtime |
| 06:25.19 | JunkHead-Work | I can't keep up with it. |
| 06:25.43 | Nom- | I don't really care eitehr way...i've got some TV to watch tonight |
| 06:25.51 | Nom- | So if it goes down, just more of an excuse to watch :) |
| 06:26.07 | JunkHead-Work | I got nothing to do.:\ |
| 06:26.38 | raevanmorlock | Update the wowwiki with the new 2.x stuff |
| 06:26.54 | Nom- | Or... |
| 06:26.58 | Nom- | Go find a woman and get laid :P |
| 06:26.59 | Corrodias | Rob Schneider Durp De Durp |
| 06:27.05 | Nom- | Or a man if that's your preference |
| 06:27.11 | Corrodias | durp de durpitty durpee durp |
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| 06:27.19 | raevanmorlock | I've always been partial to the trannies myself |
| 06:29.30 | raevanmorlock | awkward silence.. |
| 06:30.52 | Iriel | I'm assuming that was your intent! |
| 06:31.22 | raevanmorlock | No :( |
| 06:31.48 | raevanmorlock | But I do seem to be alot better at getting them than getting laughs. |
| 06:32.02 | raevanmorlock | Maybe I should change my game plan |
| 06:32.26 | Corrodias | rob schneider is a somewhat popular comedic actor who seemed to have it all. until one day, he came across a pot roast -- and his life changed forever. |
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| 06:32.57 | raevanmorlock | Are you watching the episode, Corrodias? |
| 06:33.02 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 06:33.38 | raevanmorlock | I haven't seen Southpark in a few days now :\ |
| 06:34.11 | raevanmorlock | But I must get my addon updated... if only I knew where to start |
| 06:34.55 | Corrodias | [away] @ bed! |
| 06:35.18 | raevanmorlock | meh? |
| 06:36.59 | raevanmorlock | Mr. Clean gets rid of dirt and grime and grease in just a minute. Mr. Clean is stronger longer 'cause there's ultra power in it. |
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| 06:45.07 | Crache\__ | anybody here messed with invisible tooltips to get the text? |
| 06:45.49 | Crache\__ | i've created a tooltip xml file in my mod dir, but when i try to reference the tooltip name in my code like all the various examples show, it doesn't exist |
| 06:46.42 | Crache\__ | at first i thought maybe the .xml also needed to be referenced in the toc, but other mods don't seem to reference their xml |
| 06:47.05 | Iriel | they all reference their xml |
| 06:47.10 | Iriel | Except for bindings.xml which is special |
| 06:47.24 | Iriel | Sometimes they reference a main .xml file and then the other ones include it. |
| 06:47.26 | Crache\__ | ah |
| 06:47.27 | Iriel | Many AddOns dont HAVE any XML |
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| 06:48.34 | raevanmorlock | Does wowwiki have a section for the on* scripts? |
| 06:49.53 | Iriel | It did, err, I forget the name of the page |
| 06:50.37 | Crache\__ | sweet, it does see the tooltip now, not that there aren't errors >:/ |
| 06:52.06 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 06:52.20 | Iriel | I dont know if it's up to date post 2.0 |
| 06:52.44 | raevanmorlock | Thanks, Iriel... none of the stuff seems to be up to 2.0 :\ |
| 06:53.24 | Iriel | It doesn't help that I got really busy and stopped keeping those up to date |
| 06:53.36 | Iriel | I really need to fix the scripts I used for that, since it's 90% automatic |
| 06:53.47 | Iriel | But most of them broke with 2.0 |
| 07:00.25 | Crache\__ | awesome, it's working |
| 07:02.06 | raevanmorlock | good job |
| 07:04.39 | raevanmorlock | What's the point of cuffing someone after you unload 4-5 bullets into their chest? |
| 07:05.58 | Crache\__ | i imagine one reason you'd do that is to make them angry |
| 07:06.21 | raevanmorlock | To make the dead guy angry? |
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| 07:11.08 | raevanmorlock | There aren't no bugs on me. There ain't no bugs on me. There may be bugs on some of you mugs, but there ain't no bugs on me. |
| 07:12.20 | Corrodias | FIX MY ADDONS FOR 2.1 KTHX |
| 07:13.16 | raevanmorlock | *poof* |
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| 07:21.29 | raevanmorlock | Any ideas why my cable TV keeps going out but the cable internet doesn't? |
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| 07:23.08 | AnduinLothar | rofl, i got a chuck noris widget |
| 07:23.41 | raevanmorlock | Chuck Norris scares me |
| 07:23.44 | AnduinLothar | Chuck Norris can touch MC Hammer. |
| 07:24.45 | AnduinLothar | "When Chuck Norris does a pushup he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the world down." |
| 07:25.04 | Shadowed | purl should auto click on the mention of chuck norris |
| 07:27.27 | krka | http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/ |
| 07:27.36 | krka | much better than chuck norris |
| 07:28.07 | raevanmorlock | But his name is harder to say |
| 07:28.47 | AnduinLothar | and his quotes are mroe nerdy and less funny to the average idiot |
| 07:28.57 | krka | Bruce Schneier was only allowed to view the Kryptos sculpture at Langley for 1 second, in order not to spoil the fun other cryptographers. It was 0.9 seconds too much. |
| 07:29.08 | krka | Bruce Schneier was to star in a movie called "S-boxes on a plane" but the studio feared it would be too scary for the audience, so it went a different direction. |
| 07:29.11 | krka | LOL |
| 07:30.03 | Adys | What would be the simplest addon to get a specific item's ID in the tooltip or somewhere accessible easily? |
| 07:30.07 | krka | There are no prime numbers, just numbers Bruce Schneier hasn't bothered to factor yet. |
| 07:30.23 | Crache\__ | T_ItemInfo |
| 07:30.38 | Adys | thanks alot |
| 07:31.26 | AnduinLothar | Nuclear physicists at Fermilab were amazed to find that Bruce Schneier's internal clock is more reliable than the vibrations of a Cs-133 atom. |
| 07:32.04 | krka | BRUCE SCHNEIER understands that all finite sets are countable , but not all countable sets are finite. |
| 07:32.08 | krka | i also understand that!!! |
| 07:32.48 | AnduinLothar | 1, 2, ∞... what's so hard? |
| 07:33.00 | krka | Bruce Schneier's mail server only sends him the emails' hashes, just to make things a little more interesting for him. |
| 07:34.17 | raevanmorlock | You guys need to go to bed |
| 07:34.33 | raevanmorlock | As do I... good night |
| 07:36.35 | krka | i wish i could, but i have to stay awake at work |
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| 07:39.09 | Iriel | Night all |
| 07:39.29 | Crache\__ | gnight |
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| 12:36.33 | zenzelezz | I don't get it, my defense seems to jump between 490 and 496 randomly |
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| 12:52.10 | Industrial | Anyone alive? :D |
| 12:52.23 | Tain | For some definitions of alive. |
| 12:52.23 | sysrage | negative. i am a meat popsicle |
| 12:52.27 | SunTiger | no we are all dead. |
| 12:52.31 | prasys000 | hehehehe |
| 12:52.32 | Industrial | k good |
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| 12:52.48 | Industrial | Does wow have "linked" keybinds? |
| 12:52.55 | Industrial | or is it possible :P |
| 12:52.58 | prasys000 | I'm reading the wiki as we speak....I have to say its pretty good guys |
| 12:53.05 | Industrial | like, ctrl-a 1, ctrl-a 2, etc |
| 12:54.11 | Tain | Not inherently, Industrial. But I do remember someone writing something to that. |
| 12:54.17 | Industrial | hm |
| 12:54.31 | Tain | It was before the TBC patches though so I don't know if anything's changed since then. |
| 12:56.16 | [Ammo] | you could probably do it with a securestateheader and buttons below it |
| 12:57.49 | prasys000 | *thunderstorm* |
| 12:57.54 | prasys000 | *evil laugh* |
| 12:58.00 | prasys000 | err... |
| 12:58.53 | Industrial | hehe |
| 12:59.59 | prasys000 | Its just like the movies ® |
| 13:01.14 | Corrodias | http://www.thenoobcomic.com/daily/strip216.html |
| 13:01.16 | Corrodias | woot |
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| 13:39.34 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5593-QuickQuestCompletion.html |
| 13:39.36 | Industrial | OMAGAD :D |
| 13:39.52 | Industrial | maybe ill go through the code and fully automate it :P |
| 13:46.42 | prasys000 | thanks |
| 13:46.45 | prasys000 | thats looks like pretty handy for me |
| 13:48.56 | Shirik|Ghost12 | HHHHHHHH |
| 13:48.59 | Shirik|Ghost12 | sorry... |
| 13:51.31 | leethal | good thing he censored the name of the quests =P |
| 13:51.49 | leethal | or whatever it was he blurred out on that shot |
| 13:55.29 | zenzelezz | think it was just to really show what his mod does |
| 13:55.36 | zenzelezz | so you don't confuse it with the other key bindings |
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| 14:15.02 | Juido | hi :) ne1 up to help a lua noob with a little problem ? |
| 14:16.08 | Cide | replace "ne1" with "anyone" and I might |
| 14:17.16 | Juido | ;) i try to add slash command to my first addon, but it doesnt work, either the slashcomand isnt registred or nothing happens if i use it |
| 14:17.49 | Cide | no no |
| 14:17.55 | Cide | try again without the "ne1" first |
| 14:18.10 | Cide | (I have to, I'm sorry!) |
| 14:18.40 | Cide | can you paste the relevant code? |
| 14:19.07 | Juido | give ne a sec ANYONE ^^ |
| 14:19.11 | Juido | me* |
| 14:20.38 | Juido | http://wowi.pastey.net/13332 |
| 14:20.52 | Juido | the first part is the xml, the 2nd the lua |
| 14:21.42 | Cide | is "Whisper Spamm Protection geladen!" printed? |
| 14:22.27 | Juido | from the Whispro_Onload() part yes |
| 14:23.49 | Cide | and what happens when you type /whispro? |
| 14:23.55 | Juido | nothing |
| 14:24.11 | Cide | define 'nothing' |
| 14:24.42 | Juido | no yellow "type /help to ..." and nothing else |
| 14:24.49 | Cide | so it works |
| 14:25.05 | Juido | i type /wsp and no message |
| 14:25.59 | Juido | thats why im confused... the messge print line is the same as the first one that works, and the slash seem to be registred too |
| 14:26.29 | Cide | change it to.. http://wowi.pastey.net/13335 |
| 14:27.15 | Juido | k |
| 14:28.35 | Juido | that works |
| 14:29.55 | Juido | weird |
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| 14:32.12 | Shirik|Ecole | lol Cide |
| 14:32.15 | Shirik|Ecole | you're just like me |
| 14:32.55 | Cide | haha, how so? :P |
| 14:33.04 | Shirik|Ecole | (10:16:09) (+Cide) replace "ne1" with "anyone" and I might |
| 14:33.11 | Cide | oh, haha |
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| 14:58.39 | Cide | >>> #{ nil, 1 }, # { [2] = 1 } |
| 14:58.39 | Cide | Cide: 2, 0 |
| 14:59.07 | Cide | >>> local function f() return; end return #{ nil, 1 }, #{ [2] = 1 }, #{ f(), 1 } |
| 14:59.07 | Cide | Cide: 2, 0, 2 |
| 14:59.26 | Cide | >>> local function f() return; end return #{ nil, 1 }, #{ [1] = nil, [2] = 1 } |
| 14:59.26 | Cide | Cide: 2, 0 |
| 15:00.28 | Cide | bleh |
| 15:00.49 | Cide | I need an editor that can divide open documents into customizable tabs |
| 15:01.02 | Cide | so I can sort my open files by category |
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| 15:17.07 | Shadowed | Anyone know if GameTooltip:SetHyperlink takes one argument or two? |
| 15:19.30 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php/API_GameTooltip_SetHyperlink |
| 15:19.45 | Shadowed | Shirik he's wrong |
| 15:19.57 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 15:20.16 | Shadowed | Blizzard only uses one argument, usage says it's only one argument and testing i've done shows it's only one argument |
| 15:20.20 | Shadowed | but he's saying it uses two |
| 15:20.26 | Shirik|Ecole | ah interesting |
| 15:20.30 | Shirik|Ecole | personally I've never used it so |
| 15:20.46 | JoshBorke | he's not wrong |
| 15:21.19 | JoshBorke | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(link) == GameTooltip.SetHyperlink(GameTooltip, link) |
| 15:21.21 | Shirik|Ecole | OH |
| 15:21.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I se |
| 15:21.23 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 15:21.24 | JoshBorke | he's just ambiguous |
| 15:21.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I was about to say what JoshBorke said |
| 15:21.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll clarify the page a bit :) |
| 15:21.55 | Shadowed | The example he's using is GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(GameTooltip, link) not GameTooltip.SetHyperlink |
| 15:22.03 | Shadowed | so yes, i'd say he is wrong :p |
| 15:22.19 | Shirik|Ecole | ah, yes that example is wrong |
| 15:22.31 | Shirik|Ecole | because that example is GameTooltip.SetHyperlink(GameTooltip, GameTooltip, link) |
| 15:22.43 | Shadowed | I already edited it, he reverted it since he said i was wrong |
| 15:22.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I saw that |
| 15:23.04 | Shirik|Ecole | dear god wowwiki's slow -_ |
| 15:23.19 | Shirik|Ecole | or it could be my school |
| 15:25.04 | Shirik|Ecole | deadlocks :( |
| 15:25.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't make edits, the database is deadlocking and cancelling my transaction T_T |
| 15:25.36 | Teomyr | rustak said he'd be doing maintenance tasks, maybe that's why it's so slow today |
| 15:26.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
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| 15:26.48 | Shadowed | I hardly see the reason to provide to examples for both GameTooltip. and GameTooltip: |
| 15:27.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I was trying to keep you both happy >< |
| 15:27.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I think GameTooltip.SetHyperlink(ItemRefTooltip, "item:16846:0:0:0:0:0:0:0"); is moronic |
| 15:27.34 | Shirik|Ecole | but possible |
| 15:27.35 | Shadowed | rather correct documentation :p |
| 15:27.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it's perfectly valid |
| 15:28.07 | Shirik|Ecole | table:fn(...) is just a synonym for table.fn(table, ...) |
| 15:28.19 | Shadowed | it's valid, but stupid and every other example is using table:(...) not table.fn(table,...) |
| 15:28.34 | Shirik|Ecole | remove it if you want ^^ |
| 15:28.39 | Shadowed | doing! |
| 15:28.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I do agree with it being stupid |
| 15:28.56 | Shirik|Ecole | but I'm in class and didn't feel like writing up a huge talk page about why you should do that |
| 15:29.17 | Shadowed | I'll do it no problem |
| 15:30.48 | Juido | is it possible to use "AddMessage" with string and variable togehter ? like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Test!" .. arg1 .., , , ) |
| 15:31.11 | Shirik|Ecole | assuming arg1 is a string, sure |
| 15:31.49 | zenzelezz | as far as AddMessage is concerned it never knows about the variable |
| 15:31.55 | JoshBorke | it would be: AddMessage("String "..var..var..var..' more string'..var) |
| 15:31.56 | zenzelezz | the interpreter handles that before it's called |
| 15:32.01 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 15:32.23 | JoshBorke | it passes the value of all that stuff as a single string, AddMessage will never know the difference |
| 15:32.28 | Cide | >>> foo = "there"; print("hi " .. foo) |
| 15:32.28 | Cide | Cide: "hi there" |
| 15:32.46 | Shadowed | >>> foo = "bar" print( "hi " .. foo .. ' ) |
| 15:32.46 | Cide | Shadowed: [string "foo = "bar" print( "hi " .. foo .. ' )"]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 15:32.51 | Juido | hmm i get a error msg that a close bracket is missing near arg1 |
| 15:32.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Shadowed = fail |
| 15:33.02 | Shadowed | See what JoshBorke did =p |
| 15:33.16 | Shadowed | er oops |
| 15:33.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Juido: Do you have any [[ in there? |
| 15:33.23 | Shadowed | >>> foo = "bar" print( "hi " .. foo .. 'moo' ) |
| 15:33.23 | Cide | Shadowed: "hi barmoo" |
| 15:34.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Juido: You can do anything inside a parameter. The function will never know the difference |
| 15:34.20 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> print(tonumber(string.rep("1",3))+4)); |
| 15:34.20 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: [string "print(tonumber(string.rep("1",3))+4));"]:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 15:34.28 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> print(tonumber(string.rep("1",3))+4); |
| 15:34.28 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 115 |
| 15:34.34 | Shirik|Ecole | :) |
| 15:35.17 | Shirik|Ecole | right, must go to lab. Take care |
| 15:35.47 | JoshBorke | >>> print(if (true) then "fred" end) |
| 15:35.48 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "print(if (true) then "fred" end)"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'if' |
| 15:35.55 | JoshBorke | aw :-( |
| 15:36.09 | Cide | >>> print(true and "fred") |
| 15:36.09 | Cide | Cide: "fred" |
| 15:36.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO |
| 15:36.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua gets more cofusing every day :P |
| 15:36.56 | JoshBorke | >>> print((math.random() > 0.5 and "Big") or "Small") |
| 15:36.56 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Small" |
| 15:37.03 | JoshBorke | >>> print((math.random() > 0.5 and "Big") or "Small") |
| 15:37.04 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Small" |
| 15:37.05 | JoshBorke | >>> print((math.random() > 0.5 and "Big") or "Small") |
| 15:37.06 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Small" |
| 15:37.10 | JoshBorke | >>> print((math.random() > 0.5 and "Big") or "Small") |
| 15:37.10 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Small" |
| 15:37.19 | JoshBorke | >>> print((math.random() > 0.1 and "Big") or "Small") |
| 15:37.19 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Big" |
| 15:37.24 | JoshBorke | :_D |
| 15:37.29 | Cide | don't spam it with useless stuff :P |
| 15:37.41 | JoshBorke | >>> math.random() |
| 15:37.42 | Cide | JoshBorke: 0.90267647328104 |
| 15:37.45 | JoshBorke | it was useful! |
| 15:41.10 | zenzelezz | penance |
| 15:44.09 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge New Toc: 20100 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | I can resist anything, except temptation. | RTFPN please. |
| 15:46.14 | cogwheel|work | Cide: you should make it so that we can do something like >>> pastey://12970 and it would grab the code off of http://wowi.pastey.net/12970 and run it =D |
| 15:47.04 | cogwheel|work | (or maybe just the http link so that people can click on it) |
| 15:47.17 | Cide | could probably do that |
| 15:47.19 | Cide | (I <3 python) |
| 15:47.33 | Cide | but first I need some help getting it to properly spawn a child process so my irc doesn't lock up for 5s |
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| 16:14.19 | Cide | sweet |
| 16:14.29 | Cide | luabot no longer locks me up! |
| 16:14.38 | Jumpee | yay |
| 16:14.43 | zenzelezz | hrm, I think one of my LCDs just died |
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| 16:17.30 | cogwheel|work | could someone please do a sticky request on my post? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96143900&postId=958657738&sid=1#0 |
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| 16:18.19 | Jumpee | That was a lot of typing Cogwheel. |
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| 16:18.58 | cogwheel|work | at first, yes... now it's just copying & pasting :P |
| 16:19.04 | cogwheel|work | and adding a few things here and there |
| 16:19.28 | Juido | how can i split "msg" of function(msg) into single strings ? like function(foo bar) => arg1= foo, arg2=bar |
| 16:20.02 | cogwheel|work | use strsplit |
| 16:20.45 | Gngsk | cogwheel|work, I veto your post for having the AP+PoM+Pyro macro in it |
| 16:20.55 | cogwheel|work | >>> return strsplit(" ", "hi bye lalala tutu") |
| 16:20.56 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi", "bye", "lalala", "tutu" |
| 16:21.33 | Juido | and how to put them into arg1, arg2, ect ? |
| 16:22.04 | cogwheel|work | foo(strsplit(" ", msg)) |
| 16:22.31 | Juido | local a,b,c = return strsplit(" ", msg); ?? |
| 16:22.53 | cogwheel|work | >>> function foo(arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) print(arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) end foo(strsplit(" ", "hi bye lalala tutu")) |
| 16:22.53 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi", "bye", "lalala", "tutu" |
| 16:23.39 | cogwheel|work | you can do it your way if it fits in your code better. |
| 16:23.47 | Juido | how do i get then "lalala" from foo @ cogwheel ? |
| 16:24.19 | Juido | foo(3) ? |
| 16:24.26 | cogwheel|work | not sure I follow... |
| 16:25.26 | Juido | i understand what strsplit will do.. but how can i access the single strings then ? |
| 16:25.51 | cogwheel|work | putting them into local variables like you did is fine |
| 16:26.00 | cogwheel|work | >local a,b,c = return strsplit(" ", msg); |
| 16:26.11 | nuoHep | >>> print( select(3, strsplit(" ", "hi bye lalala tutu")) ) |
| 16:26.11 | Cide | nuoHep: "lalala", "tutu" |
| 16:26.20 | cogwheel|work | if you only need access to one of them, you can use select() |
| 16:26.26 | cogwheel|work | like nuoHep dif |
| 16:26.27 | nuoHep | ah... parentheses |
| 16:26.31 | cogwheel|work | s/f/d/ |
| 16:26.34 | Juido | will c be the 3rd word of msg then ? |
| 16:26.42 | nuoHep | yes |
| 16:26.42 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 16:26.46 | Juido | like print c = lalala |
| 16:26.59 | Juido | ok thx |
| 16:31.24 | Jumpee | Anybody hear that in a future patch, trial accounts(goldsellers) will only be able to whisper to people on their friends list? |
| 16:32.11 | Juido | hmm unexpected symbol near return @ cogwheel |
| 16:32.34 | Jumpee | or, to people who have them on thier friends list. |
| 16:33.08 | Jumpee | their* |
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| 16:38.26 | TC_Working | i still think they would pay the $15 then, it's worth it for them.....unless they get banned to fast |
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| 16:47.20 | Jumpee | cogwheel|work, do I just reply to your post and ask for it to be stickied? |
| 16:47.29 | AnduinLothar | lol http://www.nandahome.com/products.clocky.html |
| 16:47.32 | cogwheel|work | no... you use the biohazard symbol |
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| 16:47.41 | Jumpee | let me try |
| 16:47.52 | cogwheel|work | the dropdown has a choice for sticky request |
| 16:48.50 | Jumpee | done. |
| 16:52.44 | cogwheel|work | ty :) |
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| 17:06.11 | raevanmorlock | Yay Cide is back.. we missed you yesterday |
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| 17:15.00 | raevanmorlock | Does Lua have something like a 'next' statement to skip the rest of a loop and go on to the next iteration? |
| 17:15.14 | Cide | no |
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| 17:21.04 | Juido | and a statement do stop a function ? |
| 17:21.09 | Juido | to* |
| 17:21.12 | cogwheel|work | return... |
| 17:21.44 | Juido | this will stop the function complete ? |
| 17:21.56 | cogwheel|work | what else would you expect return to do? :P |
| 17:23.11 | raevanmorlock | In some languages, it merely set the value to be returned when the function finishes on its own |
| 17:23.19 | Juido | to break a a if-then operation maybe and to go back to the next live after the if-then part |
| 17:23.32 | Juido | line* |
| 17:23.44 | cogwheel|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/ :P |
| 17:24.26 | Juido | ic, thx |
| 17:24.42 | Cide | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13377 |
| 17:24.43 | Cide | Cide: [string "local dest = {}..."]:7: bad argument #1 to 'tinsert' (table expected, got nil) |
| 17:25.29 | cogwheel|work | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13378 |
| 17:25.31 | Cide | cogwheel|work: nil |
| 17:25.45 | Cide | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13379 |
| 17:25.47 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 17:25.58 | cogwheel|work | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/13380 |
| 17:25.59 | raevanmorlock | Since when does Cide process pastey's? That's awesome. |
| 17:26.00 | Cide | cogwheel|work: { "sub1", "sub2", "subsub1", "subsubsub1", "subsubsub2" } (#1) |
| 17:26.09 | cogwheel|work | raevanmorlock: i suggested that this morning :) |
| 17:26.13 | Cide | since... 30 sec ago :) |
| 17:26.22 | raevanmorlock | haha |
| 17:26.35 | raevanmorlock | I was thinkin the other day that it'd be nice to have a way to send it a file--but Ic ouldn't think of a way to do it |
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| 17:30.43 | hugo | eehi |
| 17:33.03 | raevanmorlock | eehello |
| 17:33.28 | hugo | er i mean just hi |
| 17:33.30 | hugo | :) |
| 17:33.39 | hugo | the ee was acident ;p |
| 17:33.56 | raevanmorlock | oh, me too! :) |
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| 17:36.31 | raevanmorlock | gah.. wiki is down again |
| 17:37.54 | raevanmorlock | I thought when people did stuff like local _, item_count = GetContainerItemInfo(bag, slot); the _ was some special syntax to say 'throw out this return value' -- but that's actually a valid variable name, isn't it? |
| 17:38.43 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 17:38.50 | Shirik|Ecole | yup |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's convention to use _ as a throw away variable |
| 17:39.11 | raevanmorlock | got'cha |
| 17:39.25 | raevanmorlock | >>> local bleh = 2; local bleh = 3; return bleh |
| 17:39.26 | Cide | raevanmorlock: 3 |
| 17:47.39 | raevanmorlock | Does WoW have a function to get time so I can see how much time elapses between a series of statements? |
| 17:48.22 | Shirik|Ecole | mm, yes |
| 17:48.29 | Shirik|Ecole | how many statements? |
| 17:49.06 | Shirik|Ecole | or are you talking about successive calls to a function, etc.? |
| 17:49.24 | TC_Working | "Coffee leads men to trifle away their time, scald their chops, and spend their money, all for a little base, black, thick, nasty, bitter, stinking nauseous puddle water." -The Women's Petition Against Coffee (1674) And over 300 years later, it's still the same |
| 17:49.25 | raevanmorlock | I want to test a few things to see which method is fastest so I made 4 tests with each loop a statement a bunch of times |
| 17:50.14 | raevanmorlock | s/with/which/ |
| 17:50.15 | Shirik|Ecole | time() returns the number of seconds since the unix Epoch |
| 17:50.19 | Cide | debugprofilestart() debugprofilestop() |
| 17:50.24 | Cide | >>> debugprofilestart |
| 17:50.24 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 17:50.28 | Cide | boo cogwheel|work :) |
| 17:50.47 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> return time(); |
| 17:50.48 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 1176832232 |
| 17:50.53 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> return time(); |
| 17:50.54 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: 1176832238 |
| 17:51.01 | Shirik|Ecole | obviously there were 6 seconds in between there |
| 17:51.13 | Cide | debugprofilestart() / stop() have higher precision though |
| 17:51.17 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 17:51.22 | Shirik|Ecole | crap... critical battery :( |
| 17:51.32 | raevanmorlock | What do they do, Cide? |
| 17:51.40 | Cide | start/stop a timer |
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| 17:52.06 | Shirik|Ecole | right, time to go |
| 17:52.07 | cogwheel|work | what resolution? |
| 17:52.08 | Shirik|Ecole | take care |
| 17:52.08 | raevanmorlock | ooh they're on the wiki |
| 17:52.13 | raevanmorlock | later, Shirik|AFK |
| 17:52.17 | Cide | debugprofilestart() for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do --[[function calls to measure etc]] end return debugprofilestop() |
| 17:52.34 | Cide | debugprofilestop() - return the time in milliseconds since the last call to debugprofilestart() |
| 17:52.45 | raevanmorlock | thank ya |
| 17:53.06 | Esamynn | although the timing gets screwed up if you are on a multi core CPU |
| 17:53.18 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs(debug) do print(k) end |
| 17:53.19 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "traceback" |
| 17:53.49 | Cide | is there a timing function in there that I could expose for you? |
| 17:53.55 | Cide | not that familiar with the debug library |
| 17:54.02 | cogwheel|work | i don't know... |
| 17:54.37 | cogwheel|work | no... looks like those are wow-specific |
| 17:55.56 | cogwheel|work | I'd have to use system-specific code to get them working... |
| 17:57.33 | raevanmorlock | Heh.. I had to end WoW--that was taking way too long |
| 18:00.13 | raevanmorlock | wow... local a, b, c, d, e, f = func() is faster than local a = func() |
| 18:01.42 | nevcairiel | how can that be? |
| 18:01.46 | cogwheel|work | measurement error |
| 18:01.54 | nevcairiel | func returns all that values? |
| 18:01.56 | nevcairiel | or only one? |
| 18:02.52 | raevanmorlock | func returns all those values |
| 18:03.50 | raevanmorlock | Er.. maybe I'm wrong |
| 18:04.38 | raevanmorlock | I fixed up the test and now I get different variations each time |
| 18:05.20 | zenzelezz | your computer is doing more than one thing at a time, results will never be completely equal |
| 18:07.24 | raevanmorlock | Does debugprofilestop() return a float or an int? |
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| 18:07.43 | raevanmorlock | nvm it's float |
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| 18:09.24 | Cide | technically, lua only has a "number" type |
| 18:09.29 | Cide | >>> type(5), type(5.32) |
| 18:09.30 | Cide | Cide: "number", "number" |
| 18:18.13 | raevanmorlock | So is everything stored as a float then? |
| 18:18.28 | wereHamster | does WoW use float or double for lua nubers? |
| 18:19.44 | Cide | not that familiar with the internals to be honest |
| 18:19.59 | Cide | WoW doesn't take care of lua's numbers though |
| 18:20.14 | wereHamster | '#define LUA_NUMBER double' in the default lua configuration |
| 18:20.53 | Cide | don't see a reason why they would change that |
| 18:21.45 | wereHamster | .. one reason would be to save space |
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| 18:23.51 | raevanmorlock | omg I'm gonna spaz |
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| 18:26.06 | raevanmorlock | I made a table of 4 tables.. each sub-table has a time and test key. Then I loop through the main table 4 times to print each time and test value.. and they print, but I keep getting an error that I'm attempting to concatenate nil |
| 18:28.55 | raevanmorlock | http://www.pastey.net/13389 |
| 18:29.54 | wereHamster | you should use pairs, since the 4 tables in the table use strings as indicea |
| 18:31.01 | wereHamster | err.. ipairs(a), you iterate over the 'top' table |
| 18:31.13 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 18:31.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ipairs is right |
| 18:31.27 | raevanmorlock | it works the same way and gives the same error either way |
| 18:31.59 | wereHamster | entries in table 'a' don't have a time field |
| 18:32.04 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 18:32.10 | Shirik|Ecole | what is time1, time2, etc. |
| 18:32.12 | Shirik|Ecole | those must be nill |
| 18:32.29 | raevanmorlock | I get the right output though, Shirik |
| 18:32.34 | Shirik|Ecole | wereHamster: yeah they do :/ |
| 18:32.57 | Shirik|Ecole | note that's value.time not a.time |
| 18:33.00 | Shirik|Ecole | thus, a[1].time, etc. |
| 18:33.22 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: The code you gave us is correct |
| 18:33.28 | Shirik|Ecole | assuming time1, time2, etc., are valid values |
| 18:33.35 | wereHamster | heh.. I shouldn't watch TV and try to debug lua code at the same time -.- |
| 18:33.47 | raevanmorlock | oh shit |
| 18:34.00 | Shirik|Ecole | wereHamster :) |
| 18:34.16 | raevanmorlock | The output I was getting was from earlier code that I forgot to remove |
| 18:34.38 | raevanmorlock | And I called them test1, test2, etc instead of time1, time2, etc.. dammit! |
| 18:35.40 | zenzelezz | it always helps to use the right names |
| 18:36.13 | raevanmorlock | Yeah... the code I forgot to comment out was throwing me off |
| 18:36.18 | Juido | how can i prevent a incoming chat text that has fired an event ? |
| 18:36.29 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 18:36.35 | Shirik|Ecole | prevent what>? |
| 18:37.08 | Juido | let say you are a mage.. ppl whisper you something that include the words bread or water.. |
| 18:37.18 | Juido | i have a chat_msg_whisper event |
| 18:37.38 | zenzelezz | shaddap and conjure! ;-p |
| 18:37.47 | wereHamster | wowwiki has a page about exactly that |
| 18:38.00 | Juido | if someone whisper me "water" i want to send him a whisper answer, but i dont want to see his wishper or my answer |
| 18:38.13 | wereHamster | not really 'exactly', but describing what you want to do |
| 18:38.19 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages |
| 18:38.36 | Juido | omg..i feard you will say the bad word "hook" |
| 18:38.54 | wereHamster | hook is not a bad word! |
| 18:39.03 | Shirik|Ecole | hooking is really how addons work |
| 18:39.25 | Shirik|Ecole | without hooking you can't really do much fun stuff :/ |
| 18:39.31 | Juido | well... more tabak and coffee for me then.... |
| 18:39.57 | wereHamster | coffee is ok, but don't do tabak :P |
| 18:40.01 | Shirik|Ecole | tabak? |
| 18:40.07 | zenzelezz | talbuk? |
| 18:41.25 | Juido | blend |
| 18:41.33 | raevanmorlock | Alright.. so of the 4 methods, assigning all the values wins 39% of the time, using one value wins 43% of the time, using select() wins 18% of the time, and using a table never wins |
| 18:43.04 | Cide | how can you "win" a percentage amount of time? |
| 18:43.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: I think he means "faster" |
| 18:43.30 | raevanmorlock | It takes the least amount of time |
| 18:43.36 | Cide | ah, ok |
| 18:43.40 | Cide | thank god |
| 18:44.03 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: You'll probably find if you can avoid making a table, your perfomance will increase exponentially |
| 18:44.08 | Shirik|Ecole | (in most cases) |
| 18:44.17 | krka | exponentially? O_o |
| 18:44.23 | Shirik|Ecole | sure |
| 18:44.32 | Shirik|Ecole | if you can avoid {{foo},{bar}} |
| 18:44.40 | Shirik|Ecole | or {{{foo},{bar}}} |
| 18:44.54 | raevanmorlock | Making a table wasn't always the slowest.. it just was never the fastest |
| 18:45.07 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: It is heavily dependent upon what you are doing |
| 18:45.14 | Shirik|Ecole | If there was no purpose for them, they wouldn't exist |
| 18:45.33 | raevanmorlock | local results = {GetItemInfo(item_link)) |
| 18:45.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ow |
| 18:45.59 | Shirik|Ecole | while there could be purposes for that, again, I think that's overkill |
| 18:45.59 | raevanmorlock | ow? lol |
| 18:46.03 | kergoth | raevanmorlock: there's more to "performance" than just cpu time. |
| 18:46.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I think I said this a few weeks ago: You can almost never gain something without losing something of equal value |
| 18:47.03 | raevanmorlock | ha.. well, I wanted to see what the fastest way to retrieve data from a function that returns many values was.. and using a table was an option--and a flexible one since you can then pick out values that don't fall in a row together |
| 18:47.06 | Shirik|Ecole | For those that watch full metal alchemist, first rule of alchemy |
| 18:49.10 | krka | if you a fix amount of return values, i suggest local a1,a2,a3,a4,..., wanted = f() |
| 18:49.26 | Shirik|Ecole | agreed |
| 18:49.34 | Shirik|Ecole | especially if you don't want all of them or don't need to store them |
| 18:50.05 | raevanmorlock | And my tests would back you up on that :) That's actually faster than select() the majority of the time too |
| 18:50.38 | krka | almost all the time |
| 18:50.47 | krka | i haven't found a case where select is faster |
| 18:51.01 | Shirik|Ecole | raevanmorlock: Be careful with what you say "the majority of the time." The only reason your results differed is likely because of other running processes |
| 18:51.09 | Shirik|Ecole | The same code will always execute in the same manner |
| 18:51.23 | krka | i think he meant with different number of return values |
| 18:51.29 | krka | or other things that may differ |
| 18:51.32 | raevanmorlock | I think using select() is bound ot be slower.. but could look nicer |
| 18:54.07 | raevanmorlock | My results didn't really differ.. I looped each method 1000 times and compared those results 100 times to decide how often each one was fastest. Then I ran that test 10 times to confirm.. and each of those 10 times showed one value being the fastest, followed by storing all values and then using select. |
| 18:54.25 | krka | did you run tests on different number of return values? |
| 18:54.55 | krka | i tried varying both which result index i wanted and how many return values the function i looked at returned |
| 18:54.59 | raevanmorlock | No, I used GetItemInfo() for all of them |
| 18:55.27 | zenzelezz | did you try this in-game? |
| 18:55.31 | raevanmorlock | I'll try it with something that has fewer returns |
| 18:56.04 | raevanmorlock | zenzelezz: yeah--that's where it matters, right? And those functions don't work outside of the game |
| 18:56.26 | Shirik|Ecole | they could work /better/ out of game |
| 18:56.30 | zenzelezz | there are lots of things that can affect in-game performance |
| 18:56.49 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> function GetItemInfo() return 1,2,3,4,5,6,7; end; select(2, GetItemInfo()); |
| 18:56.50 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: nil |
| 18:56.55 | Shirik|Ecole | bleh |
| 18:56.58 | Shirik|Ecole | well, like that |
| 18:56.58 | zenzelezz | you don't need that function |
| 18:57.10 | Shirik|Ecole | To simulate the return values that you will expect |
| 18:57.15 | Shirik|Ecole | without actually being in-game |
| 18:57.32 | Shirik|Ecole | that way (1) GetItemInfo()'s performance doesn't affect your results, and (2) other game factors don't affect it |
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| 19:01.29 | raevanmorlock | Alright I'll do that |
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| 19:04.22 | raevanmorlock | Kay.. using a generic function that returns 10 numbers.. storing one value was fastest 70-80% of the time, storing all values was 10-20% of the time, select() was 1-5% of the time, and tables never win |
| 19:04.51 | raevanmorlock | select() is 0-5% of the time |
| 19:06.09 | Cide | not sure what you mean with "fastest 70-80% of the time" |
| 19:06.50 | Cide | for a single test, one method should always be fastest (unless they are extremely close to each other performance-wise) |
| 19:07.16 | raevanmorlock | Do you want to see the code? |
| 19:07.55 | Cide | too lazy |
| 19:08.00 | raevanmorlock | I'm running it manually a number times in order to verify the results |
| 19:08.10 | raevanmorlock | Since each test differs slightly |
| 19:08.20 | Cide | how many times do you run it manually? |
| 19:08.41 | raevanmorlock | About 10.. enough to visually see a generic low and high value for each one |
| 19:08.50 | Cide | ok |
| 19:08.57 | Cide | try running each method a million times in a for loop |
| 19:09.09 | Cide | and get the average from there |
| 19:09.24 | Cide | and then run that test 10 times |
| 19:09.46 | raevanmorlock | Each test runs 100 times.. and each method is tested 1000 times within each test |
| 19:09.58 | planetWayne-Zzz | is it possible to extract variables via 'tokens' with lua? |
| 19:10.11 | Cide | give a more concrete example, planetWayne |
| 19:10.25 | Cide | raevanmorlock: I'd still up that to 10^6 times |
| 19:11.24 | planetWayne | sorry ... ok - say I have a string that contains "fred bert jane" - then I can get 3 variables one with 'fred' one with 'bert' and the other with 'jane' .... |
| 19:11.30 | raevanmorlock | 100x1000 is 10^6 |
| 19:12.24 | planetWayne | but also if I have a string that contains "realybig muchbigger massive" then I get 'realybig' 'muchbigger' 'massive' - eg the token or split is done (in this case) with the (space). |
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| 19:12.40 | raevanmorlock | planetWayne: Yeah.. there's a string function that can split on a regex |
| 19:13.57 | planetWayne | a way of picking up on (space) as a delimter. |
| 19:14.07 | planetWayne | or what ever character I choose. |
| 19:14.07 | nuoHep | >>> print( strsplit(" ", "fred bert jane") ) |
| 19:14.07 | Cide | nuoHep: "fred", "bert", "jane" |
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| 19:14.32 | planetWayne | cool. |
| 19:14.56 | zenzelezz | >>> print(strsplit("a", "Galatasaray")) |
| 19:14.57 | Cide | zenzelezz: "G", "l", "t", "s", "r", "y" |
| 19:15.13 | planetWayne | (whos cide??) |
| 19:15.19 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide is awesome |
| 19:15.22 | raevanmorlock | He's a man with a bot |
| 19:15.23 | zenzelezz | the C from CTmod |
| 19:15.23 | nevcairiel | and a bot |
| 19:15.23 | nuoHep | definately a bot |
| 19:15.31 | planetWayne | ! :) cool. |
| 19:15.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide is not a bot |
| 19:15.41 | zenzelezz | he's a cyborg |
| 19:15.43 | Cide | moo |
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| 19:15.54 | Zicon | A tauren cyborg? |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide /has/ a bot |
| 19:15.58 | Shirik|Ecole | hai Cide :D |
| 19:16.08 | raevanmorlock | Is strsplit really right? I don't see it in the Lua docs |
| 19:16.09 | zenzelezz | all tauren are cyborgs, didn't you ever read the WoW lore? |
| 19:16.23 | Shirik|Ecole | there is no strsplit function |
| 19:16.24 | Shirik|Ecole | natively |
| 19:16.36 | planetWayne | ok a wow related one... just incase - any reason why 'GetPlayerMapPosition("player")' would return 0,0 for a player pos? |
| 19:16.46 | nuoHep | raevanmorlock, its wow api function afaik |
| 19:16.51 | zenzelezz | planetWayne: instance? |
| 19:16.54 | Shirik|Ecole | however... http://lua-users.org/wiki/SplitJoin |
| 19:17.09 | Shirik|Ecole | planetWayne: You need to set up the map |
| 19:17.11 | planetWayne | nah - darnasus ! |
| 19:17.23 | Shirik|Ecole | planetWayne: Have you read the wowwiki docs on that function |
| 19:17.27 | Shirik|Ecole | it says one huge warning that is your problem |
| 19:17.37 | planetWayne | maybe i need to revist :) |
| 19:17.57 | Juido | is there a event for the yellow treasure dot popping on the minimap ? |
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| 19:19.11 | Cide | no |
| 19:19.12 | Shirik|Ecole | planetWayne: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerMapPosition See the big warning under "returns" |
| 19:19.28 | Shirik|Ecole | "The map hasn't been updated yet; either open the map or use SetMapToCurrentZone() after entering a new zone" |
| 19:20.17 | planetWayne | ah - was just looking at that... |
| 19:21.06 | planetWayne | interestingly - I'm testing something out with the kids pc... I've got things like quildmap and alphamap set up so my co-ords always seem to work, the kids pc at times go back to 0,0! |
| 19:21.43 | Shirik|Ecole | it is possible another addon is calling it for you |
| 19:21.57 | planetWayne | I was wondering that ... |
| 19:22.10 | wereHamster | Shirik|Ecole, I don't see any 'huge warning' ;) |
| 19:22.17 | Shirik|Ecole | it's huge enough for me |
| 19:22.26 | Shirik|Ecole | "If both posX and posY are exactly 0, the position is unknown, unknowable, or not valid for the current map, i.e." |
| 19:22.43 | wereHamster | not even in bigger font.. how can that be huge? |
| 19:22.52 | Shirik|Ecole | do you use firefox? |
| 19:22.56 | wereHamster | yes |
| 19:23.03 | Shirik|Ecole | ok hold shift and do mouse scroll wheel up |
| 19:23.07 | Shirik|Ecole | there, bigger font :D |
| 19:23.20 | zenzelezz | still not bigger than the rest |
| 19:23.24 | wereHamster | I have to scroll down :) |
| 19:28.14 | raevanmorlock | What would be the best way to assign the return values of a function to keys within a table? Would I have to do something like: local Name, Description, StandingId = GetFactionInfo(1); factions[1] = { Name=Name, Description=Description, StandingId=StandingId }; |
| 19:29.56 | wereHamster | yes |
| 19:32.12 | raevanmorlock | oh bother |
| 19:34.06 | planetWayne | last one for a while - is there any way to alter the volume of a playsoundfile at point of playing ? |
| 19:34.24 | krka | t = applyNames({GetFactionInfo(1)}, 'Name', 'Description', 'StandingId') |
| 19:34.54 | wereHamster | applyNames() ?" |
| 19:35.05 | krka | left to the user as an exercise |
| 19:35.55 | krka | function applyNames(t, ...) for i = 1, #t do t[select(i, ...)] = t[i] t[i] = nil end return t end |
| 19:35.59 | krka | that might work though |
| 19:36.07 | wereHamster | ah.. but you'd probably have to make it t = applyNames({GetFactionInfo(1)}, {[1]='Name',[4]='Description',[6]='StandingId'}) |
| 19:36.15 | krka | nope |
| 19:36.28 | krka | hm |
| 19:36.43 | krka | could do it like this i suppose: |
| 19:36.55 | krka | t = applyNames({GetFactionInfo(1)}, 'Name', nil, nil, 'Description', nil, 'StandingId') |
| 19:37.32 | krka | function applyNames(t, ...) for i = 1, #t do local key = select(i, ...) if key ~= nil then t[key] = t[i] end t[i] = nil end return t end |
| 19:38.19 | raevanmorlock | Why are you setting t[i] to nil? |
| 19:38.33 | krka | why do you want the value both as integer and as a named? |
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| 19:39.03 | raevanmorlock | I want what now? |
| 19:39.21 | krka | otherwise, the name will be in both t.name and t[1] |
| 19:39.58 | raevanmorlock | oh I see |
| 19:39.58 | wereHamster | raevanmorlock, you want to stop playing WoW and go out enjoy the nice weather! |
| 19:40.18 | raevanmorlock | I'm not playing WoW... I'm playing with WoW |
| 19:40.29 | krka | i suppose applyNames will bug out if one of the supplied keys is an integer in 1...#t |
| 19:40.37 | wereHamster | .. 'stop sitting in front of a computer' |
| 19:41.14 | raevanmorlock | that's impossible |
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| 19:43.55 | Kaso | What the fuck, a green item in a herb?! ^_- |
| 19:44.38 | wereHamster | raevanmorlock, why? |
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| 19:45.15 | Fin | ! |
| 19:45.41 | Shirik|AFK | ha! Now what are you all going to do! |
| 19:45.56 | Shirik | damn |
| 19:46.01 | Fin | hah! |
| 19:46.16 | Fin | I wonder what you're worth as IP |
| 19:46.22 | Shirik | not much :( |
| 19:46.37 | Fin | ahead of your time |
| 19:46.43 | krka | more P than I there |
| 19:47.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:47.37 | wereHamster | I patent iShag :P |
| 19:47.56 | Fin | is that like, I think therefore I am? |
| 19:47.56 | wereHamster | (Shag is my in-game name) |
| 19:48.13 | Fin | I patent therefore I shag |
| 19:48.42 | Fin | and do you come in four fruity flavours? |
| 19:48.44 | wereHamster | what's PN in RTFPN? |
| 19:48.47 | Fin | ahah |
| 19:48.50 | Fin | "come" |
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| 19:49.34 | Fin | patch notes |
| 19:49.35 | Fin | I'd guess |
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| 19:49.52 | Fin | does that make sense in whatever context RTFPN was used? |
| 19:50.34 | wereHamster | topic? |
| 19:50.53 | wereHamster | yeah.. makes sense :) |
| 19:53.00 | Shadowed | Read The Fucking Patch Notes, as in. stop asking about 2.1 changes and read the notes instead :p |
| 19:54.50 | raevanmorlock | Why does Blizzard add new return values into the middle of pre-existing lists and break backward-compatability? |
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| 19:54.51 | Shirik | that's what the TOC number is for |
| 19:54.51 | Shirik | furthermore, where did you see them putting it in the middle of a list? |
| 19:55.22 | Shirik | s/list/tuple/ |
| 19:55.22 | Shirik | purl, wake up! |
| 19:55.28 | purl | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:55.28 | raevanmorlock | There's a number of them in the 2.0.x changes |
| 19:55.28 | Shirik | You mean 1.x to 2.x? |
| 19:55.29 | wereHamster | raevanmorlock, becauase they can. And remember, Blizzard doesn't write the UI code for us! |
| 19:55.31 | raevanmorlock | * UPDATED: questLogTitleText, level, questTag, suggestedGroup, isHeader, isCollapsed, isComplete = GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex); -- Added suggestedGroup return value *2.0.3* -- WARNING: This change is NOT backward compatible |
| 19:55.50 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: Just about everything else changed to |
| 19:55.55 | Shirik | I wouldn't consider that a big deal |
| 19:55.57 | Shadowed | Shirik: 2.0.3 |
| 19:56.03 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:56.04 | Shirik | oh well |
| 19:56.15 | Shirik | like wereHamster said - because they can |
| 19:56.20 | Shadowed | I wouldn't consider it that big of a deal anyway, sometimes it's better to change the returns to make more sense |
| 19:56.25 | Shirik | s/because/becauase/ |
| 19:56.42 | raevanmorlock | you were right the first time |
| 19:56.42 | Shadowed | Having isHeader/IsCollapsed/IsComplete then suggestedGroup would look odd for returns |
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| 19:57.06 | raevanmorlock | I s'pose |
| 19:57.43 | Shirik | evening, Beladona |
| 19:57.44 | Shadowed | not a big deal to change one return in a function anyway, could be worst |
| 19:57.59 | raevanmorlock | We need a new function to get a unit's faction info.. and by we I mean me |
| 19:58.08 | Shirik | yeah, they could make a function that about 50% of addons use protected |
| 19:58.14 | Shirik | >.> |
| 19:58.15 | Shirik | <.< |
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| 19:58.23 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 19:58.39 | Beladona | hiya |
| 19:58.46 | raevanmorlock | <(o_o<) <(o_o)> (>o_o)> |
| 19:58.57 | raevanmorlock | ^(o_o)^ |
| 19:58.58 | Shadowed | Shirik: Which? |
| 19:59.04 | Shirik | CastSpellByName :P |
| 19:59.34 | Shadowed | That was a major version change and they gave fair warning, and we were able to get onto TBC early to test it |
| 19:59.40 | Shirik | I know I know :P |
| 19:59.42 | Shirik | it was a joke |
| 19:59.50 | Shadowed | well it was a bad one! |
| 19:59.54 | Shirik | besides I like the change |
| 20:00.11 | Shadowed | makes life so much easier when dealing with things like using items |
| 20:00.27 | Shirik | and the game is less of a one-button game now |
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| 20:09.06 | kaiden | Trying to find an addon that saves your ah prices as you are adding items to the AH and auto fills the info in for you. Anyone know of one off the top of their head |
| 20:10.14 | Shirik | auctioneer |
| 20:11.07 | kaiden | Shirik, trying for minimalistic addons not something that's going to add a crapload of memory usage to my client hehe |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | that's the only one I know :( |
| 20:11.46 | kaiden | thank you :( |
| 20:15.15 | Industrial | Isn't she pretty? http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5304/wowscrnshot041707221326ec3.jpg |
| 20:15.50 | sysrage | industrial is spankin it to pallys now? |
| 20:15.51 | Shirik | that looks better on a BE |
| 20:16.04 | Shirik | I know someone with that outfit ^^ |
| 20:16.09 | Industrial | sysrage: yarr |
| 20:16.19 | Shirik | evil alliance! |
| 20:16.21 | Industrial | Shirik: NO IT DOESNT :@@ |
| 20:16.25 | Shirik | EVIL |
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| 20:16.46 | Calliee | men |
| 20:16.55 | Industrial | be are all anorexia patients anyway |
| 20:17.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:17.15 | Calliee | now *that* I agree with |
| 20:17.22 | Shirik | oh please |
| 20:17.24 | Calliee | at least the females |
| 20:17.34 | Industrial | yes |
| 20:17.45 | Industrial | they are so thin their head doesnt stay up right |
| 20:17.47 | Shirik | all females go around all day "I'm fat" |
| 20:18.27 | Shirik | silent treatment :( |
| 20:18.28 | Shirik | even worse |
| 20:18.33 | Industrial | gunna go pvp lowbees in goldshire now :D |
| 20:18.44 | planetWayne | is there a function that will format a decimal number to n decimal places (a bit like using string.format("%0.2f", posX) but working on a number) ? |
| 20:18.55 | Calliee | not all of us, besides, we need a healthy amount of meat on our bones to put up with the abuse you males put us through ;) |
| 20:18.57 | Shirik | mathematics |
| 20:19.04 | Shirik | (directed at planetWayne) |
| 20:19.14 | Industrial | tonumber(string.format("%0.2f", posX)) ? |
| 20:19.18 | Industrial | =D |
| 20:19.19 | Shirik | I guess that would work too |
| 20:19.34 | Shirik | but I think it's more expensive than |
| 20:19.36 | Shirik | math.floor(n*100)/100 |
| 20:20.08 | planetWayne | does it round it correctly? |
| 20:20.18 | Shirik | there is no such thing as "rounding" in a computer |
| 20:20.18 | Cide | define correctly :) |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | floor returns the greatest integer that is less than or equal to the given number |
| 20:20.45 | Industrial | look at the bottom :o http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 20:20.47 | planetWayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.58 | Shirik | string.format() doesn't do that either, planetWayne |
| 20:21.08 | Shirik | and if you want to do that |
| 20:21.12 | Shirik | then you want math.floor(n+0.5) |
| 20:21.40 | Shirik | >>> return string.format("%0.2f", 0.676); |
| 20:21.41 | Cide | Shirik: "0.68" |
| 20:21.43 | planetWayne | I didnt know if the formatting would round. |
| 20:21.46 | Shirik | oh, it does, interesting |
| 20:22.04 | planetWayne | aha :) |
| 20:22.06 | Shirik | my method of doing it still stands |
| 20:22.17 | Cide | >>> floor(0.676*100+0.5)/100 |
| 20:22.17 | Cide | Cide: 0.68 |
| 20:23.19 | planetWayne | do you need to put the 'math.' in front of the function each time? |
| 20:23.27 | Shirik | depends on where you're using it |
| 20:23.35 | planetWayne | hmmm |
| 20:23.43 | Cide | >>> math.floor == floor |
| 20:23.43 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 20:23.56 | Shirik | in WoW, floor is a synonym for math.floor |
| 20:24.03 | Cide | yep |
| 20:24.19 | planetWayne | so optional? |
| 20:24.28 | planetWayne | but best for clarity |
| 20:24.40 | Shirik | "optional" is a bad term |
| 20:24.41 | Shirik | but yes |
| 20:24.53 | Cide | it's a bit faster too |
| 20:25.01 | Cide | since you only have one table lookup instead of two |
| 20:25.09 | Shirik | better yet.... |
| 20:25.09 | planetWayne | k |
| 20:25.12 | raevanmorlock | >>> function RoundToPrecision(num, precision) local p = 10^precision; return floor((num*p)+0.5)/p; end return RoundToPrecision(0.694208, 0) |
| 20:25.12 | Cide | raevanmorlock: 1 |
| 20:25.19 | Shirik | local floor = floor |
| 20:25.27 | Shirik | now it's even faster :D |
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| 20:25.56 | planetWayne | :o |
| 20:26.17 | raevanmorlock | >>> function RoundToPrecision(num, precision) local p = 10^precision; return floor((num*p)+0.5)/p; end return RoundToPrecision(0.699208, 2) |
| 20:26.17 | Cide | raevanmorlock: 0.7 |
| 20:26.39 | raevanmorlock | That's some high-quality math right there |
| 20:27.25 | Cide | Shirik: how so? :P |
| 20:27.30 | raevanmorlock | What's wrong with the ^ operator? |
| 20:27.42 | Shirik | to me, it's against the logic of a computer |
| 20:27.55 | Shirik | a processor doesn't compute powers; this is why C doesn't have such an operator, it has a function to handle it |
| 20:28.05 | raevanmorlock | So pretend it's a function |
| 20:28.06 | Cide | granted, I'd rather see a proper bit implementation |
| 20:28.34 | Shirik | other than powers of 2, a processor can't perform a "power" operation |
| 20:29.05 | raevanmorlock | n^p == pow(n, p) |
| 20:29.20 | Calliee | have to settle for a series of multiplications |
| 20:29.20 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: It's the elegance behind it |
| 20:29.41 | Shirik | just because something works doesn't always mean it's elegant. But this is nothing more than a personal opinion of mine |
| 20:29.45 | Shirik | whatever, it doesn't matter |
| 20:31.14 | raevanmorlock | So basically you just wish Lua provided a math.pow() instead of the ^ operator? |
| 20:31.19 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:31.25 | Shirik | >>> return math.pow |
| 20:31.26 | Cide | Shirik: function: 00989F48 |
| 20:31.29 | Shirik | that exists btw |
| 20:31.41 | raevanmorlock | So you just wish they didn't provide the ^ operator? :P |
| 20:31.45 | Shirik | pretty much |
| 20:31.52 | raevanmorlock | You're so cwaaazy |
| 20:32.17 | Cide | I wish... 3 ^ 5 == 6 |
| 20:32.18 | Shirik | the power operation is implemented by using other native abilities |
| 20:32.20 | Calliee | I think 'Purist' is the most accurate term |
| 20:32.34 | Calliee | I tend to be one as well |
| 20:32.36 | Shirik | it is not implemented by using a "pow" instruction or something like that |
| 20:32.36 | raevanmorlock | Purist isn't as much fun to say! |
| 20:34.24 | Calliee | lol |
| 20:34.25 | raevanmorlock | I understand what ya mean though..... Do processors really multiply numbers though or do they add 'em again and again? |
| 20:34.25 | Shirik | they have a multiplication instruction |
| 20:34.25 | Shirik | which is a bit more complex than adding repeatively |
| 20:34.26 | Calliee | ok, looks like the cable guy is here to get my real internet back |
| 20:34.26 | Shirik | they typically take shortcuts via bit shifting, etc. |
| 20:34.26 | Calliee | going afk and most likely discoing |
| 20:34.26 | raevanmorlock | That's neat... I never really though about how the operators are things processors do natively and functions are things that they don't |
| 20:34.34 | raevanmorlock | good luck with that, Calliee |
| 20:34.43 | raevanmorlock | thought* |
| 20:34.49 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: When you've had as much experience with assembly as I have, you know exactly what can be done and how >< |
| 20:34.59 | Calliee | thanks, this cellphone broadband works, but it's darned slow... |
| 20:35.02 | Shirik | for example, multiplying 32 bit numbers to a 64 bit result |
| 20:35.06 | Shirik | with only 8 bit registers |
| 20:35.08 | Shirik | sucks. |
| 20:35.40 | raevanmorlock | I had an assembly course once.. it was fun, but I don't remember a whole lot from it. |
| 20:36.57 | Shirik | so it's a (possibly bad) habit of mine; I tend to write things as they would be handled natively, and I try to use as little memory as possible (as most of my experience revolves around microcontrollers) |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | I should also point out |
| 20:37.28 | Shirik | some processors (maybe not processors, but controllers) don't have a MUL operation |
| 20:37.48 | Shirik | they're in most these days, but a few leave them out |
| 20:37.55 | Shirik | same for division |
| 20:38.22 | raevanmorlock | How would you divide then? |
| 20:38.53 | Shirik | a fun mix of bit shifting and manipulation |
| 20:46.48 | Shirik | the same way a processor does it |
| 20:46.48 | raevanmorlock | Sounds painful |
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| 20:46.49 | Shirik | it's not too difficult for many cases |
| 20:46.50 | Shirik | division by 2, for example, is easy |
| 20:46.50 | Shirik | in fact, for division by 2, most programmers DON'T divide by 2 |
| 20:46.51 | Shirik | because that instruction is huge |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | instead... |
| 20:46.52 | pastamancer | SHR :p |
| 20:46.52 | Tem | >> |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | >>> return bit.shr(10, 1); -- Divide 10/2 |
| 20:46.52 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return bit.shr(10, 1); -- Divide 10/2"]:1: attempt to call field 'shr' (a nil value) |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | blah! |
| 20:46.52 | Cide | rshift :) |
| 20:46.53 | Shirik | >>> return bit.rshift(10, 1); -- Divide 10/2 |
| 20:46.53 | Cide | Shirik: 5 |
| 20:46.53 | Shirik | there we go |
| 20:46.54 | Shirik | google said shr :( |
| 20:46.54 | Tem | and the carry bit will tell you if it has an extra +.5 |
| 20:46.54 | krka | i try to leave as much as possible to the compiler |
| 20:46.54 | Tem | >>> bit.rshift(11,1) |
| 20:46.54 | Cide | Tem: 5 |
| 20:46.54 | krka | helps me stay sane |
| 20:46.54 | Tem | hmm |
| 20:46.54 | Tem | how do I get at the carry bit? |
| 20:46.54 | krka | i only use shift operations when i actually work with bitfields |
| 20:46.54 | Shirik | krka: I'm really just talking assembly atm. I think most compilers actually do this optimization |
| 20:46.55 | raevanmorlock | >>> {bit.rshift(11, 1)} |
| 20:46.55 | Cide | raevanmorlock: { 5 } (#1) |
| 20:46.55 | raevanmorlock | Dunno |
| 20:46.55 | Shirik | Tem: In Lua, I wouldn't know :( |
| 20:46.55 | Tem | eh well |
| 20:46.55 | krka | what's the carry bit? |
| 20:46.55 | Shirik | 68HCS12, would be "eorb b, adcb #0" |
| 20:46.55 | Tem | that you lost by shifting to the right |
| 20:46.55 | pastamancer | I'm guessing you don't :( |
| 20:46.55 | krka | isn't that just num % 2? |
| 20:46.55 | Tem | krka, it's what was previously in the least significant bit |
| 20:46.56 | krka | or in c-terms: num & 1 |
| 20:46.56 | Tem | yes |
| 20:46.56 | raevanmorlock | It's num % 2 but only when using 2 |
| 20:46.57 | Shirik | DS=139B ES=139B SS=139B CS=139B IP=0100 NV UP EI PL NZ NA PO NC |
| 20:46.57 | krka | O_o |
| 20:46.57 | Shirik | the "NC" is the carry bit |
| 20:46.57 | krka | ah i see |
| 20:46.57 | Shirik | (line from a register dump) |
| 20:46.58 | krka | then first shift by n - 1, then check the bit, then shift 1 |
| 20:46.58 | planetWayne | would you expect 'Local Part1, Part2 = strsplit(" ",message);' to have Part1="left", Part2="Right" if message = "Left Right" ? |
| 20:46.58 | Shirik | Part 1 = "Left" |
| 20:46.58 | krka | planetWayne: i would expect that to not compile :) |
| 20:46.59 | Shirik | er, yeah it wouldn't |
| 20:47.00 | raevanmorlock | >>> local part1, part2 = strsplit(" ", "Left Right"); return part1, part2 |
| 20:47.17 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "Left", "Right" |
| 20:47.18 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: That's not what he typed ;) |
| 20:47.18 | Shirik | >>> Local part1, part2 = strsplit(" ", "Left Right"); return part1, part2; |
| 20:47.18 | raevanmorlock | Well... once saving him from the typos :) |
| 20:47.18 | Cide | Shirik: [string "Local part1, part2 = strsplit(" ", "Left Right"); return part1,..."]:1: '=' expected near 'part1' |
| 20:47.18 | Shirik | as is to be expected |
| 20:47.19 | raevanmorlock | Fine fine you win |
| 20:47.19 | planetWayne | Ok - what have I missed? |
| 20:47.20 | raevanmorlock | I gotta figure out how to get the prices of equipped items anyhoo |
| 20:47.20 | Shirik | the fact that Lua is case sensitive |
| 20:47.20 | raevanmorlock | planetWayne: it's 'local', not 'Local' |
| 20:47.20 | planetWayne | duh! |
| 20:47.21 | planetWayne | case again! |
| 20:48.10 | raevanmorlock | Since WoW doesn't inately display the price of equipped items when visiting a merchant.. would I have to move the items into a bag in order to do it? |
| 20:53.05 | planetWayne | does anyone use a lua aware editor (for windows?) that can do things like highlighting and case checks - or is notepad still the way to go :)) |
| 20:53.15 | Shirik | SciTE |
| 20:53.56 | nevcairiel | Notepad++ |
| 20:53.58 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4989-SciTE-WOWInterface.html |
| 20:54.28 | planetWayne | notepad++ !!? |
| 20:55.28 | raevanmorlock | I use Crimson Editor.. but I wouldn't recommend it |
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| 20:55.44 | Industrial | vim! |
| 20:55.49 | Shirik | screw vim |
| 20:55.49 | Shirik | vi! |
| 20:55.54 | Industrial | lol |
| 20:55.55 | nevcairiel | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:56.03 | Shirik | I still use vi daily :( |
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| 20:56.14 | Industrial | once you vim you cant stop :wq |
| 20:56.23 | Shirik | just for modifying server conf files and such |
| 20:57.07 | nevcairiel | yeah i use vi too for that .. not daily tho. maybe once a week |
| 20:57.16 | Shirik | just our project is just starting up |
| 20:57.25 | Shirik | so I've been adding people to the svn users list about daily for the past week |
| 20:57.45 | Shirik | but maybe daily was a bit of an exaggeration :P |
| 20:57.53 | Shirik | but when I modify server configs, vi ftw |
| 20:58.28 | raevanmorlock | How good is the intellisense on Notepad++ and SciTE. If I made a table t = {a=1, b=2}; and then typed t. would it pop up possible key values? |
| 20:58.40 | Shirik | not on scite |
| 20:58.46 | nevcairiel | not on npp |
| 20:58.49 | Shirik | that's not really possible |
| 20:59.20 | Shirik | I mean if your editor were smart enough, I guess |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik | but by that point, it'd be an interpreter |
| 20:59.30 | planetWayne | SciTE knows about the WoW functions and API's then too? |
| 20:59.37 | Shirik | it's a bit out of date, but yes |
| 21:00.22 | Tem | lol! I still have 100 Necrotic Runes |
| 21:00.22 | raevanmorlock | I wish I could remember why I stopped using Notepad++ |
| 21:01.31 | Shirik | The #1 reason I like SciTE |
| 21:01.36 | Shirik | is because when you use a comment in the form --[[ Text ]] |
| 21:01.40 | Shirik | it highlights the background |
| 21:02.11 | Shirik | That way I can do something like --[[ ** ASSISTS WINDOW ** ]] across three lines or so |
| 21:02.20 | Shirik | and then scrolling through the entire file is pretty easy to find stuff |
| 21:02.31 | Shirik | a stupid little feature |
| 21:02.33 | Shirik | but something I like |
| 21:03.11 | raevanmorlock | I think Notepad++ can do that oto |
| 21:03.12 | raevanmorlock | too* |
| 21:04.40 | raevanmorlock | heh.. both SciTE and Notepad++ are both based on Scintilla |
| 21:05.22 | JoshBorke | purl, hug chuckg |
| 21:05.25 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on chuckg and suddenly hugs chuckg tightly |
| 21:05.39 | chuckg | purl is warm from overuse. |
| 21:05.48 | chuckg | And there's still a stain on his shirt from last night. |
| 21:06.06 | raevanmorlock | Purl is a dude?! OMG! |
| 21:06.08 | raevanmorlock | I need a cold shower. |
| 21:06.22 | Shirik | ~emulate perl |
| 21:06.24 | purl | purl emulate perl is <reply> purl emulate purl is <reply> hi. |
| 21:06.26 | Shirik | ~emulate purl |
| 21:06.28 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 21:06.32 | Shirik | it's a girl :P |
| 21:06.59 | raevanmorlock | oh whew! |
| 21:07.04 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:07.05 | raevanmorlock | Hot shower it is then! |
| 21:07.09 | Shirik | that must have been a complex factoid to write >< |
| 21:07.24 | Shirik | ~factinfo emulate perl |
| 21:07.24 | purl | emulate perl -- created by Moonwolf <n=MoonWolf@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl> at Wed Oct 12 22:36:40 2005 (551 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Shirik, 1m ago. |
| 21:07.42 | Shirik | that would hurt my head |
| 21:07.58 | raevanmorlock | What factoid? You lost me. |
| 21:08.04 | Shirik | 17:07:07 ‹purl› purl emulate perl is <reply> purl emulate purl is <reply> hi. |
| 21:08.31 | Shirik | to do that, you need "purl, emulate perl is <reply> purl emulate perl is <reply> purl emulate purl is <reply> hi." |
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| 21:10.44 | raevanmorlock | ~emulate Shirik |
| 21:13.39 | raevanmorlock | purl hates me |
| 21:13.41 | purl | yes. |
| 21:13.48 | raevanmorlock | See!? |
| 21:13.58 | raevanmorlock | ... that was so rude |
| 21:16.53 | Shirik | purl loves me |
| 21:16.55 | purl | Yes, I do love you! |
| 21:16.58 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:17.22 | raevanmorlock | purl blows you |
| 21:18.46 | Elkano | ~whalenametheft raevanmorlock |
| 21:18.48 | purl | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks raevanmorlock's ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 21:20.23 | annonymous | bummer |
| 21:21.16 | annonymous | Notepad++ can set background-color on highlighting.. but it only does the background of the characters on the line--not the whole line across the screen :( |
| 21:21.44 | Shirik | where is dustwallow marsh -_ |
| 21:22.11 | Shirik | nm |
| 21:22.25 | annonymous | http://www.thottbot.com/?z=30 |
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| 21:24.38 | Shirik | wb cogwheel|work |
| 21:25.13 | raevanmorlock | purl loves me! |
| 21:25.18 | purl | Yes, I do love you! |
| 21:25.35 | raevanmorlock | yay |
| 21:29.13 | raevanmorlock | Notepad++ really needs to alphabetize its language list |
| 21:35.49 | planetWayne | is there any way of doing just the animated part of a DoEmote without the textual part being displayed? |
| 21:35.59 | cogwheel|work | that's all handled server-side |
| 21:36.01 | Shirik | no |
| 21:36.07 | Shirik | well |
| 21:36.11 | Shirik | you can hide the text from yourself |
| 21:36.13 | Shirik | that's it |
| 21:36.23 | Shirik | anyone else would still see it |
| 21:36.32 | raevanmorlock | I thought there was a command that did that |
| 21:37.06 | planetWayne | I wanted to 'animate' (well use a prebuilt motion) with a char but not have it have any text come up |
| 21:37.18 | planetWayne | but if not . so it be |
| 21:39.25 | Shadowed | It's amazing how far people will go to try and get Decursive types of things working again |
| 21:39.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:39.44 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=95984121&sid=1 |
| 21:40.16 | zenzelezz | of course, as it is now they need to actually work for their epix |
| 21:40.23 | raevanmorlock | What's the difference between a string and literal string? |
| 21:40.36 | Shirik | literal string: "rawr" |
| 21:40.47 | pastamancer | Shadowed: bwahahaha |
| 21:40.51 | Shirik | string: more general, potentially variable where type(var) == "string" |
| 21:42.05 | raevanmorlock | Hrmm... That's what I thought, but Notepad++ doesn't seem to see it that way |
| 21:42.22 | cogwheel|work | use SciTE |
| 21:42.27 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 21:42.59 | cogwheel|work | if you're talking about syntax highlighting, there's really no such thing as a string that's not a literal string |
| 21:44.20 | Shirik | yeh |
| 21:44.22 | raevanmorlock | SciTE looked like it only does Lua |
| 21:44.30 | cogwheel|work | O.O |
| 21:44.33 | Shirik | er... no |
| 21:45.08 | zenzelezz | not unless your idea of "only" is different from most others |
| 21:45.11 | cogwheel|work | Clad has it configured to do only show Lua and a couple other types in the menu, but it's capable of much more |
| 21:45.34 | cogwheel|work | if you're using the standard SciTE distribution, it should have a huge list of language option |
| 21:45.37 | cogwheel|work | s |
| 21:45.37 | raevanmorlock | Alright.. I'll check that out too then |
| 21:46.08 | raevanmorlock | I used to use Notepad++ and then I stopped liking it.. adn I forget why.. but it'll probably come back to me some day. |
| 21:47.07 | zenzelezz | I'm feeling so claustrophobic with only one monitor on my main computer :-/ |
| 21:50.17 | raevanmorlock | Why can't people just say "click here to download" -- why must there be 100 different options? |
| 21:50.31 | Shirik | because there are 100 different ways to download it |
| 21:50.41 | Shirik | you think the same program runs on multiple OSes |
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| 21:50.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:50.53 | raevanmorlock | Fine.. have one option for each OS |
| 21:51.00 | Shirik | but that's not logical either |
| 21:51.06 | Shirik | what about the various platforms? |
| 21:51.11 | Shirik | architectures |
| 21:51.12 | Shirik | sorry |
| 21:51.39 | Guillotine | anybody know of a real good improved error frame addon? |
| 21:51.48 | Shirik | VFLErr ^^ |
| 21:51.55 | Shirik | sorry, I'm biased |
| 21:51.56 | raevanmorlock | lol fine.. one for each of them. My thing is that there's like different zips and different installers all for the same platform/architecture |
| 21:52.32 | Shirik | that's not true |
| 21:52.34 | Guillotine | Shirik: link to it as a standalone? I've only seen it in RDXCid |
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| 21:52.43 | Shirik | it is only in RDXCid :P |
| 21:52.45 | Shirik | I made it |
| 21:52.58 | Guillotine | I know :) Will it work standalone though? |
| 21:53.09 | Shirik | not without the VFL library :( it requires VFL to make the frame |
| 21:53.23 | Shirik | I can give you the relevant code and you can try to prod it a bit, though, if you want |
| 21:53.28 | Shirik | make it work without VFL |
| 21:53.28 | Guillotine | trying to do an isolated test, so I need as few addons as possible >< |
| 21:53.42 | Shirik | I /can/ isolate the part that logs the errors |
| 21:53.50 | Shirik | just not the actual error frame, so you'd have to look in the SV file |
| 21:54.12 | Shirik | but that would probably be annoying |
| 21:54.14 | Guillotine | nah, its ok. But you should release it as a standalone (I mean just with library. Not in RDXCid) |
| 21:54.20 | Shirik | What about swatter? |
| 21:55.08 | Shirik | tbh I've never thought it was that great; there are other error frames that work just as well |
| 21:55.17 | Shirik | I just like my own stuff :P |
| 21:55.27 | Guillotine | I'm just looking for one that will show the traceback |
| 21:55.33 | Shirik | Swatter will I believe |
| 21:55.52 | pastamancer | I hear some people use buggrabber |
| 21:55.56 | pastamancer | and bugsack |
| 21:56.11 | Shirik | really, I have no experience with any of those :( |
| 21:56.47 | pastamancer | it gets you the traceback, if that's the only feature you require |
| 21:57.14 | JoshBorke | swatter also gives you the traceback |
| 21:58.04 | Guillotine | where can I get swatter? Can't find it on WoWI, Curse, Ace, or Worldofwar o.O |
| 21:58.13 | Shirik | it's inside auctioneer |
| 21:58.16 | Shirik | you can pull it out if you want |
| 21:58.28 | Shirik | that's how I accidentally got it |
| 21:58.30 | Depherios | Aye, part of the auctioneer suite. I've never run it. |
| 21:58.32 | Shirik | then when the PTR got pissed at me I found it |
| 21:58.54 | Guillotine | oh, looks like I have it anyway o.O Its just not enabled |
| 21:58.55 | Guillotine | heh |
| 21:59.38 | Depherios | Swatter is nice and autodetects if you have another error detector running, first time I fired it up wondering what it did but not having looked into it yet, it auto disabled as I had IEF running. |
| 21:59.58 | Shirik|AFK | whom linked me that forum post re: decursive? |
| 22:00.40 | Shirik|AFK | That has got to be one of the worst workarounds I have ever heard |
| 22:00.40 | Shirik|AFK | period |
| 22:00.48 | Shirik|AFK | If anyone actually goes to that length.... just wow |
| 22:00.50 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, af |
| 22:00.52 | Shirik|AFK | afk* |
| 22:01.08 | leethal | how can I go somevar.."dynamiclol" = "hooray"? |
| 22:02.05 | cogwheel|work | _G[somevar.."dynamiclol"] = "hooray" |
| 22:02.14 | cogwheel|work | didn't we have this conversation yesterday? |
| 22:02.18 | leethal | hmm |
| 22:02.19 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 22:02.23 | pastamancer | it certainly sounds familiar |
| 22:03.29 | leethal | what it's a local? local _G[foo] seems weird |
| 22:03.46 | cogwheel|work | you can't do it with locals |
| 22:03.54 | cogwheel|work | locals don't have names when they're running |
| 22:04.00 | pastamancer | you should re-consider what you're trying to do and how you're doing it |
| 22:04.03 | leethal | oh |
| 22:04.23 | JoshBorke | could you do it with *fenv? |
| 22:04.26 | leethal | pastamancer: true.. was thinking very very silly |
| 22:04.30 | cogwheel|work | yeah... you should probably do it with a table |
| 22:04.41 | cogwheel|work | JoshBorke: all fenv does is change the global environment |
| 22:04.45 | cogwheel|work | they're still globals |
| 22:05.31 | JoshBorke | hm, yea |
| 22:08.32 | pastamancer | The only time I can justify using dynamically-named variables (that aren't in some sort of data structure) is when I'm trying to work with blizzard-created variables. |
| 22:09.35 | Juido | "end expected (to close "function at line 1) near <eof>" does anyone know what this could mean ?? im confused about line1 and eof.. and i dont have a onevent registerd |
| 22:10.16 | cogwheel|work | <eof> means end of file |
| 22:10.52 | cogwheel|work | it means it reached the end of the file but it was expecting an "end" to finish the function that starts at line 1 |
| 22:10.55 | cogwheel|work | for instance: |
| 22:11.04 | cogwheel|work | >>> function foo() |
| 22:11.05 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "function foo()"]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 22:12.01 | cogwheel|work | or: |
| 22:12.17 | cogwheel|work | >>> function foo() if blah then dostuff() end |
| 22:12.18 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "function foo() if blah then dostuff() end"]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 22:13.03 | cogwheel|work | your source formatting may be hiding the fact that you forgot to end an if statement for instance |
| 22:14.37 | Juido | im pretty sure i have no "end" missing... thats why im woundering |
| 22:14.48 | cogwheel|work | well, you obviously do... :P |
| 22:14.51 | Cide | oyu do if you get that error |
| 22:14.53 | cogwheel|work | otherwise it wouldn't be complaining |
| 22:14.55 | Cide | s/oyu/you/ |
| 22:15.08 | cogwheel|work | pastey your code |
| 22:15.20 | raevanmorlock | Where do you set highlighting colors and such at in SciTE? |
| 22:15.51 | cogwheel|work | text files... |
| 22:16.07 | cogwheel|work | Language->Open lua.properties |
| 22:17.01 | raevanmorlock | I was afraid of that |
| 22:17.03 | cogwheel|work | or actually Open Global properties |
| 22:17.25 | cogwheel|work | it's not that bad :P |
| 22:20.19 | raevanmorlock | I thought the lua box comment was --[[ ]] ... SciTE has it defined as --[[ --]] |
| 22:20.32 | cogwheel|work | vanilla scite, yes... |
| 22:20.35 | cogwheel|work | it's wrong |
| 22:20.35 | Cide | it's --[[ ]] |
| 22:20.45 | Juido | http://wowi.pastey.net/13445 |
| 22:20.47 | cogwheel|work | Cladhaire fixed that in SciTE-WoWInterface |
| 22:22.42 | raevanmorlock | Damn you Scite... |
| 22:22.54 | cogwheel|work | Juido: are you sure that's the source that's causing the error? |
| 22:23.05 | Juido | yes |
| 22:23.47 | cogwheel|work | i don't think so... |
| 22:23.53 | cogwheel|work | it compiles fine here |
| 22:24.14 | Cide | it's not |
| 22:24.25 | Cide | the function on line 1 is closed just fine |
| 22:24.39 | Juido | mayve the xml ? but i dont think so: http://wowi.pastey.net/13446 |
| 22:24.45 | Juido | maybe* |
| 22:25.05 | cogwheel|work | that's not how you do comments in XML |
| 22:25.30 | cogwheel|work | btw: you can pick which language to use when you pastey... it does syntax highlighting that way |
| 22:25.45 | Juido | lol that i might be the xml :) |
| 22:25.58 | Juido | then* |
| 22:26.25 | cogwheel|work | to comment out that section use <!-- ... --> |
| 22:26.41 | cogwheel|work | (and take out all the --s) |
| 22:26.42 | Juido | k, thx |
| 22:27.35 | Juido | btw what tool do you use to compile it for testing ? |
| 22:27.43 | cogwheel|work | lua |
| 22:27.50 | cogwheel|work | it comes with a compiler |
| 22:27.55 | cogwheel|work | luac |
| 22:27.57 | Juido | my complier is "reload ui" :D |
| 22:28.11 | Juido | compiler* |
| 22:29.00 | cogwheel|work | FYI: if there's an error in a lua file, it'll give you a file name & line number. |
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| 22:32.34 | kur1j | 0_o |
| 22:32.40 | kur1j | bots |
| 22:32.44 | kur1j | vs human ? |
| 22:32.48 | zenzelezz | input not recognized |
| 22:32.53 | kur1j | idlers ftl :( |
| 22:33.07 | cogwheel|work | huh? |
| 22:33.09 | pastamancer | file not found |
| 22:34.03 | pastamancer | get back to idling cogwheel|work! |
| 22:34.13 | cogwheel|work | yes'm |
| 22:34.15 | cogwheel|work | :( |
| 22:34.44 | pastamancer | there'll be no human conversation here if the robot overlords have anything to say about it |
| 22:35.15 | kur1j | lol sorry last 4 or 5 times i was here no one was even talking |
| 22:35.24 | kur1j | or wouldnt talk |
| 22:35.54 | zenzelezz | if you want constant chat you'll have to go listen to 1. General, we only talk in bursts here |
| 22:36.13 | cogwheel|work | and what bursts they are, sometimes... |
| 22:36.13 | kur1j | lol noticed :) |
| 22:36.21 | kur1j | lol im banned right now for talking in /1 :D |
| 22:36.33 | zenzelezz | don't confuse it with inactivity though, we're here, just not talking |
| 22:38.54 | zenzelezz | especially Cairenn |
| 22:38.54 | kur1j | not sure how i can ask this but what are the limits of what an addon can do? (i know its kinda vague and im betting im going to get the google.com attitude but let me try to explain) |
| 22:39.15 | cogwheel|work | addons are limited by the APIs we have available |
| 22:39.19 | cogwheel|work | that's it |
| 22:39.21 | zenzelezz | you mean technically or what Blizzard wants you not to do? |
| 22:39.29 | kur1j | as for connecting to outside programs and such |
| 22:39.34 | cogwheel|work | not possible |
| 22:39.36 | Gryphen | cant |
| 22:39.45 | kur1j | or connections? |
| 22:39.52 | zenzelezz | you're sandboxed |
| 22:39.52 | kur1j | to different things? |
| 22:40.07 | cogwheel|work | the only I/O you have is through saved variables which are only updated on logout or ui reload |
| 22:40.28 | kur1j | so you couldnt connect to a mail server? |
| 22:40.32 | Gryphen | no |
| 22:40.39 | kur1j | even if you wrote a client inside of wow? |
| 22:40.45 | cogwheel|work | ... |
| 22:40.46 | Gryphen | no no no |
| 22:40.47 | Shirik | um |
| 22:40.48 | Gryphen | sheesh |
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| 22:40.49 | zenzelezz | look at what we just said |
| 22:40.55 | cogwheel|work | i'm not quite sure where we are being unclear |
| 22:41.03 | zenzelezz | you simply cannot rach outside of WoW |
| 22:41.07 | zenzelezz | *reach |
| 22:41.13 | Shirik | damn |
| 22:41.19 | Shirik | missed another interesting discussion |
| 22:41.28 | zenzelezz | we made sure you were AFK first Shirik |
| 22:41.43 | kur1j | not sure what you meant by <cogwheel|work> the only I/O you have is through saved variables which are only updated on logout or ui reload |
| 22:41.55 | Shirik | The saved variables |
| 22:42.00 | Shirik | they only update at logout or UI reload |
| 22:42.07 | Shirik | this is the only I/O capability available |
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| 22:42.10 | cogwheel|work | The only way addons can communicate with the outside world is via saved variables. |
| 22:42.11 | zenzelezz | and other than those, you cannot get anything into or out of WoW |
| 22:42.12 | Shirik | persistent I/O* |
| 22:42.52 | kur1j | humm |
| 22:43.29 | pastamancer | I think being precise is getting in the way of the answer. |
| 22:43.32 | pastamancer | To summarize: |
| 22:43.43 | pastamancer | "you cannot get anything into or out of WoW" |
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| 22:43.49 | pastamancer | as zenzelezz put it |
| 22:43.56 | planetWayne | Little tip - dont do a WorldFrame:Hide() then close your debug window.... |
| 22:43.58 | cogwheel|work | <kur1j>as for connecting to outside programs and such |
| 22:44.00 | cogwheel|work | <cogwheel|work>not possible |
| 22:44.07 | zenzelezz | lol wayne |
| 22:44.40 | planetWayne | just thought I would share that - just in case anyone tried it :) |
| 22:44.43 | pastamancer | I'll have to remember that one |
| 22:44.58 | Shirik | rofl Wayne |
| 22:45.06 | Shirik | I um |
| 22:45.13 | Shirik | did a UIParent:Hide() once |
| 22:45.21 | pastamancer | just once? |
| 22:45.23 | Shirik | apparently the chat box still accepts thigns |
| 22:45.31 | Shirik | or maybe that wasn't it, but it was something like that |
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| 22:45.43 | Shirik | I had to very carefully type in /script UIParent:Show() again |
| 22:46.24 | zenzelezz | after I learned of Alt+Z I experimented a bit with it... seemed I could push various buttons and they'd secretly work, but not all of them |
| 22:46.24 | planetWayne | oh yeah - the toolbars are all still there etc... but if you close any of them - there didnt seem anything to accept the keypresses :( |
| 22:46.24 | zenzelezz | but it was hard to tell when nothing was shown :-( |
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| 22:47.43 | Tem | Shirik, the chat box does not work when hidden |
| 22:47.51 | Shirik | well I did something wierd :/ |
| 22:47.56 | Shirik | I know I had to do that |
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| 22:48.18 | Tem | editboxes simply cannot get the focus if they are hidden |
| 22:48.20 | Tem | it's not possible |
| 22:48.41 | Tem | just about the only way I know of to get the UI back is to alt-z |
| 22:49.52 | pastamancer | perhaps debugtools needs a keybinding to do a UIParent:Show() and WorldFrame:Show() :p |
| 22:50.49 | pastamancer | unless that's what alt-z is doing behind the scenes. I haven't tried hiding UIParent or WorldFrame yet |
| 22:52.29 | raevanmorlock | I believe it is, pastamancer .. if you do alt-z, then hit m, the world map still comes up. And when you hide the world map, the rest of the UI is back |
| 22:56.59 | TC_Working | anyone know a good simple program for extracting metadata information from jpg picture files? |
| 22:57.37 | raevanmorlock | That's a big n.o. good buddy |
| 22:58.46 | pastamancer | http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ perhaps |
| 22:59.48 | TC_Working | thakns, i'll take a look |
| 22:59.55 | TC_Working | s/thakns/thanks/ |
| 23:00.01 | Corrodias | i don't suppose 2.1 is out? |
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| 23:00.15 | Shirik | negative, only on PTR |
| 23:00.28 | cogwheel|work | and it only went to PTR last week so don't hold your breath... |
| 23:01.18 | planetWayne | what would be a fully qualified (if such exists) variable name (so you can display it in a debug window)? |
| 23:01.23 | Corrodias | i want some more factions to grind :( |
| 23:01.47 | zenzelezz | I only want the Netherdrake faction, but I want the other changes as well |
| 23:02.28 | TC_Working | thanks pastamancer, worked like a charm |
| 23:05.24 | kur1j | might be a stupid question but why hasnt anyone reverse engineering the chat system (horde talking to alli) |
| 23:05.43 | zenzelezz | AFAIK, they did, and it got changed |
| 23:06.00 | Gryphen | blizzard doesnt want you to |
| 23:06.08 | kur1j | yes i realize that |
| 23:06.41 | Gryphen | so people dont, at least the people in this room :) |
| 23:07.11 | kur1j | yes they might not want you to but doesnt mean it cant be done :-/ |
| 23:07.12 | zenzelezz | beware that Cairenn (and most others) frown upon doing stuff Blizzard doesn't want you to |
| 23:07.14 | Karrion | it's also not a 1-1 replacement cipher |
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| 23:07.52 | zenzelezz | as for whether anyone has cracked the current system I don't know... the pay-off isn't really very big |
| 23:08.34 | Karrion | it's more like a hashing algorithm... so it's not possible to unambiguously reconstruct the original |
| 23:08.58 | Karrion | even if you wanted to break the rules, and... just, don't |
| 23:09.41 | zenzelezz | I haven't looked much into it, but it looks like any words larger than a certain length get separated into certain "standard words" |
| 23:09.44 | zenzelezz | zug zug type |
| 23:09.45 | Corrodias | there really isn't any benefit except coordinating cooperation |
| 23:09.47 | Corrodias | which is unlikely anyway |
| 23:10.28 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone know why Blizzard made that restriction in the first place? |
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| 23:10.40 | kur1j | uhhh |
| 23:10.46 | Karrion | because there was too much smack-talking on pvp servers |
| 23:11.11 | zenzelezz | also makes sense for RPers |
| 23:11.19 | raevanmorlock | Karrion: That's what I thought, but now people just spit on and kick my dead body |
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| 23:11.45 | clad|away | it doesn't make sense from an RP perspective |
| 23:11.48 | clad|away | they did it cause they wanted to |
| 23:11.52 | clad|away | can't really say much more =) |
| 23:11.54 | kur1j | yes... but would you rather see that or "HAHAHA I PWNED UR AZZ U SCUB NUB CAKE NEWB" |
| 23:11.57 | zenzelezz | to me it does |
| 23:12.00 | Karrion | yeah... why they left /spit in I don't know >.< |
| 23:12.07 | pastamancer | I'd rather /spit macros than ascii dongs |
| 23:12.11 | zenzelezz | but I'm not particularly well versed in the lore |
| 23:12.44 | Karrion | well... from a lore perspective, would my Forsaken character _really_ have entirely forgotten how to understand spoken Common? |
| 23:12.51 | raevanmorlock | I'd rather here some idiot sayin "PWNED" then having them spit on me |
| 23:13.05 | raevanmorlock | s/here/hear/ |
| 23:13.13 | clad|away | Jaina and Thrall can talk |
| 23:13.23 | clad|away | because Thrall knows human, from being in Durnholde. |
| 23:13.32 | clad|away | the forsaken clearly speak common instead of gutterspeak |
| 23:13.35 | clad|away | and the trolls are bastards. |
| 23:13.42 | Karrion | sure I may not be able to _speak_ it since, well, I don't have much of a lower jaw left, but listening to it? |
| 23:13.54 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 23:14.17 | Karrion | and _lots_ of NPCs can speak to both horde and alliance |
| 23:14.27 | Karrion | so, yeah, it's for gameplay, not lore |
| 23:18.20 | Depherios | forsaken originally spoke common, but it caused problems, according to things I've read |
| 23:18.44 | zenzelezz | stupid forsaken, only problems with them |
| 23:18.50 | zenzelezz | can't speak common, can't be "undead" |
| 23:18.52 | Shadowed | One of the funny example was the beta screenshot |
| 23:19.14 | Shadowed | s/example/examples/ |
| 23:20.32 | zenzelezz | which screenshot? |
| 23:20.56 | Shadowed | The one in redridge where an Alliance was asking in yell about where a location was, and an UD mage responded then killed him when he got there |
| 23:21.09 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 23:22.05 | zenzelezz | hardly the same, but I remember people talking about a certain person back in "the days" of Anarchy Online... everyone spoke the same language there, so he'd stand in the middle of no-where, /shout that he was being attacked, and then gank those that came to help |
| 23:23.08 | zenzelezz | well, different in that it was by design there |
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| 23:23.58 | zenzelezz | I find it annoying how good the different races are at keeping their language secret |
| 23:24.23 | zenzelezz | my human just doesn't grasp dwarvish or elvish :-/ |
| 23:25.21 | Depherios | I find it interesting that all the blood elves seemed to learn orcish no problem... |
| 23:25.31 | Depherios | every one of them |
| 23:25.53 | Shadowed | I find it suprising that I can conjure fireballs from nothing! |
| 23:26.03 | Depherios | But didn't bother learning any other languages... like gutterspeak, even though the undead are the only horde raice their friendly with |
| 23:26.26 | Depherios | *they're |
| 23:27.18 | Shadowed | If you were thinking of joining Horde, wouldn't you learn the common language all of them know instead of the language only one faction uses? |
| 23:27.52 | Depherios | I wonder if the Tranquelien(sp) can speak gutterspeak at least... |
| 23:28.07 | Zicon | Tranquillien. |
| 23:28.34 | Depherios | Egads you remember how to spell that? -- I spell Draenei wrong half the time still >_< |
| 23:28.41 | Shadowed | I just call them "Aliens" |
| 23:28.45 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:28.54 | Shadowed | people know what you're talking about either way |
| 23:29.40 | Zicon | depherios: I shouldn't remember this? |
| 23:29.56 | Zicon | It's not *that* difficult after seeing a couple of times... |
| 23:30.46 | Depherios | lol, I'm sure I would if I could too >_< -- I skim when I read... so I see a word and it's just a word. Read both the Mote in God's Eye novels reading "Mediator" as "Meditator" for some reason when I was young... never noticed until years later when I went to reread them... and still didn't notice until halfway through the first book. |
| 23:32.03 | Depherios | I've taken to reading upside down when I study, makes me pay more attention to what I read. |
| 23:32.03 | raevanmorlock | Is there any equipment slot that one race/class has and another doesn't? |
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| 23:32.08 | Depherios | Librams, Idols, and Totems |
| 23:32.08 | Depherios | not a slot though |
| 23:32.50 | raevanmorlock | They're not like CharacterLibramSlot? |
| 23:32.56 | Depherios | Only Hunters, Warriors and Rogues can use the ammo slot though... unless I'm forgetting something... |
| 23:33.16 | Depherios | Dunno, I'm thinking literally, not in terms of the UI... Slots are numbered AFAIK though. so it's probably the same number. |
| 23:33.19 | raevanmorlock | My mage has an ammo slot |
| 23:33.20 | Esamynn | anyone here have any experience with CVAR_UPDATE? |
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| 23:33.47 | Depherios | Raevanmorlock lol true, but you can't put anything in it can you? O_o -- I've never tried! |
| 23:34.01 | raevanmorlock | I've never tried either |
| 23:34.04 | Depherios | I will right now |
| 23:34.06 | Depherios | I'm curious |
| 23:36.53 | Depherios | My god |
| 23:36.54 | Depherios | I can use it |
| 23:37.02 | Depherios | *leaves those in there for kicks* |
| 23:37.31 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 23:38.51 | Depherios | I need to get arrows instead of shot though, dunno how many bad PUGs I've been on where the warrior runs out of arrows >_< |
| 23:39.35 | raevanmorlock | I need to figure out how to ask a merchant for the price of an equipped item |
| 23:39.51 | raevanmorlock | Which is proving rather difficult since WoW isn't loading my character list! |
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| 23:52.17 | TC_Working | lolz |
| 23:54.24 | parliment | hey anyone know of a gear switch ui for druids? |
| 23:59.39 | Depherios | Outfitter will auto swap on stances. |
| 23:59.54 | raevanmorlock | Talking to plants helps them grow.. but not as much as heavy metal! |
