| 00:24.14 | Kirkburn | Well, you obviously didn't win the prize elsewhere, haHA! :P |
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| 00:27.04 | leethal | =( |
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| 00:29.39 | Kirkburn | Here, I'll make it up to you - http://www.funnyanimalvideos.com/snake-videos/boy-rides-his-pet-python/ |
| 00:30.20 | leethal | lol |
| 00:30.47 | leethal | what's that bizarre thing at the end? |
| 00:30.53 | leethal | smells like photoshop |
| 00:38.11 | Kirkburn | No idea what you're talking about ;) |
| 00:38.22 | Kirkburn | For cat lovers - http://www.funnyanimalvideos.com/cat-videos/cat-news/ |
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| 00:41.42 | JoshBorke | purl, comfort cladhaire |
| 00:41.44 | purl | There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:41.46 | JoshBorke | /flex |
| 00:41.47 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 01:11.28 | Tain | I love getting a call from my boss at 9pm when I've been drinking heavily for two hours. |
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| 01:20.47 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 02:57.38 | Corrodias | now don't be sad, cause two out of three ain't bad |
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| 03:06.24 | MentalPower | wb Cairenn |
| 03:06.29 | Cairenn | danke |
| 03:10.09 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 03:10.20 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 03:10.20 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 03:10.22 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
| 03:17.25 | Nom- | wow.. |
| 03:17.37 | Nom- | "The Chinese govt is requiring game houses to modify MMOG's to restrict under 18 users to 3 hours "productive" gameplay per day. |
| 03:18.16 | Corrodias | only under 18? that's not a part i heard before |
| 03:18.36 | Nom- | http://english.people.com.cn/200704/10/eng20070410_364977.html |
| 03:18.56 | Corrodias | china is almost as nuts as russia. |
| 03:20.01 | Corrodias | ""The system requires every online player to register with their real identity. This will scare away many adult and young users," said Liu Bin, chief analyst at research house BDA China." |
| 03:20.13 | Corrodias | what, they're playing this free? or perhaps they send cash in envelopes as their monthly payments? |
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| 03:34.16 | Corrodias | ah yes. is this big in china? |
| 03:34.25 | Corrodias | are the people afraid of corporations knowing who they are? |
| 03:34.44 | Corrodias | not necessarily one being related to the other, but the quote suggests the latter is true |
| 03:35.00 | Iriel | I believe most players play from net cafe type setups |
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| 03:35.33 | Iriel | And that it's pay-per-hour-online rather than subscription, so I imagine it's quite likely that many players didn't previously register in the way we do |
| 03:44.43 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 03:46.50 | leethal | do you say LUA or Lua if you're cool kid? |
| 03:46.55 | leethal | write* |
| 03:47.04 | Corrodias | i see Lua more |
| 03:47.36 | Esamynn|Busy | leethal: it's writted "Lua" on http://www.lua.org/ |
| 03:47.53 | leethal | ok, thanks =) |
| 03:50.28 | MentalPower | its Lua, its a word in portuguese meaning "moon" |
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| 04:15.56 | leethal | what's the name of that firefox plugin that lets you tweak webpages 'n stuff? Alter CSS, javascript and what not. |
| 04:16.48 | leethal | monkey-something, isn't it? |
| 04:17.01 | Karrion | leethal: greasemonkey? |
| 04:17.21 | leethal | that's the one, thanks |
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| 04:40.39 | pomke | quick q, anyone know if there are, or if it would be possible to make, a 'meta-guild' addon, that would basically replicate the 'guild' feature using a private channel and perhaps have some concept of ranks etc? |
| 04:41.22 | Cide | it's been done |
| 04:41.22 | Cide | don't ask me the name of the mod(s) |
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| 05:00.08 | batrick | is multithreading possible with lua? |
| 05:00.49 | pomke | batrick: there are these things called 'continuations' ;) |
| 05:01.10 | pomke | you should read about some of the alternatives to threads |
| 05:01.27 | pomke | basically, threads suck balls, async all teh way ;) |
| 05:01.42 | pomke | </soapbox> |
| 05:02.20 | Esamynn|Busy | batrick: sort of, the cooroutine library is available to us now |
| 05:02.34 | Esamynn|Busy | s/cooroutine/coroutine/ |
| 05:03.42 | batrick | hmm |
| 05:21.43 | Esamynn|Busy | batrick: why did you want multithreading? |
| 05:23.59 | batrick | curiousity |
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| 05:30.03 | norgs | the lua interpreter in wow is wholly single-threaded |
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| 05:31.22 | norgs | you can use co-routines to suspend/resume execution of a specific piece of code within it's own environment |
| 05:31.24 | leethal | how can I make string.match("string", "STRING") match? |
| 05:31.30 | leethal | I guess some other function is needed for that |
| 05:32.14 | norgs | string.match(string.lower("string"), string.lower("STRING")) ? |
| 05:32.48 | norgs | or preferably: string.lower("string") == string.lower("STRING") |
| 05:32.48 | leethal | ah =) |
| 05:33.21 | norgs | or even ("string"):lower() == ("STRING"):lower() |
| 05:34.03 | leethal | wohoo =) |
| 05:34.30 | leethal | I always wondered what foo:bar actually is. any writeups on that somewhere? |
| 05:34.33 | leethal | kinda hard to google it =/ |
| 05:34.54 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 05:35.02 | norgs | : passes the left hand side argument as the first parameter |
| 05:35.22 | norgs | so a:func() is the same as a.func(a) |
| 05:35.36 | leethal | oh |
| 05:35.39 | Arrowmaster | foo:bar(a,b,c) = foo.bar(foo,a,b,c) |
| 05:39.35 | leethal | another thing - http://wowi.pastey.net/11558 |
| 05:39.43 | leethal | I'm not very into event based programming, really |
| 05:39.51 | leethal | is that very, very, very bad performance wise? |
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| 05:41.22 | phantom | uhm .. whats a good tool (or ideally just a website) .. listing the builtin ui icons .. so I can use some in my mod .. |
| 05:42.25 | Nom- | leethal: There are other mods out there which do a pretty good job at blocking gold spam |
| 05:43.34 | Nom- | mmm epic lunch |
| 05:45.22 | leethal | Nom-: yeah, just having some fun with it =) |
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| 05:46.52 | leethal | hmm, one of them stores a table of urls |
| 05:52.07 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comics/2007/gu_20070410.jpg heh |
| 05:57.39 | cogwheel | liek ding 70 |
| 05:59.07 | Nom- | In fact, some of those gold spam protection scripts allow you to automatically put their details into a GM ticket too :) |
| 06:02.32 | zenzelezz | grats cog |
| 06:02.41 | zenzelezz | what class? |
| 06:02.45 | cogwheel | warrior |
| 06:02.50 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 06:02.54 | cogwheel | my forum toon in fact |
| 06:05.46 | leethal | I'd be so imba if i had only one char |
| 06:30.23 | cogwheel | so where should i fly to first? ;) |
| 06:32.56 | Nom- | Man |
| 06:33.00 | Nom- | We're so lazy here |
| 06:33.17 | cogwheel | hmm? |
| 06:33.18 | Nom- | I'm chatting with someone via MSN who sits like right next to me |
| 06:33.41 | cogwheel | hehe |
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| 06:56.04 | Mike-N-Go | Nom-: That is sad. |
| 06:56.35 | Nom- | To be fair, neither of us can be bothered taking off the headphones and losing the music :) |
| 06:57.07 | cogwheel | srsly though... what should i do now? :( |
| 06:57.20 | Mike-N-Go | About stopping Gold adds: SpamSentry has worked wonders for me. |
| 06:57.32 | cogwheel | should i abandon all my quests and start attuning to instances? |
| 06:58.10 | Mike-N-Go | cogwheel: Why are you asking us.. BTW, what is it you just hit? |
| 06:58.20 | cogwheel | 70 |
| 06:58.29 | cogwheel | 'cause no one in my guild is online :P |
| 06:59.22 | Mike-N-Go | Here is what I have done: I started an alt on a different server then my main, level 16 shaman now, Tauren. |
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| 06:59.40 | cogwheel | hehe |
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| 06:59.52 | Nom- | heh |
| 06:59.57 | Nom- | I couldn't get into shaman |
| 07:00.03 | cogwheel | me neither |
| 07:00.09 | cogwheel | same for druids |
| 07:00.12 | Mike-N-Go | I, rather like it. |
| 07:00.12 | Nom- | I couldn't force myself to get through those first 20 levels to when it gets good |
| 07:00.14 | leethal | Of Thistleheads and Eggs is The Most Annoying Quest in the Game |
| 07:00.24 | Nom- | Druid is the same...it's a PITA until you reach 20, but I did that grind |
| 07:00.36 | cogwheel | >< |
| 07:00.39 | cogwheel | I need sleep |
| 07:00.40 | Mike-N-Go | Nay, Guns of the North Watch Hold, or something like that, is. |
| 07:00.49 | Mike-N-Go | ~PITA |
| 07:00.51 | purl | pita is probably pain in the ass, or a bread-like food |
| 07:00.53 | leethal | the barfing was fun the first 4-5 eggs |
| 07:00.58 | cogwheel | I just tried to shift-click on leethal's name to see what level, zone, & class |
| 07:01.00 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict PITA |
| 07:01.03 | leethal | but not on the 40th egg |
| 07:01.17 | leethal | cogwheel: lol =P |
| 07:01.30 | leethal | cogwheel: my char isn't even named leethal :O |
| 07:01.41 | Nom- | Mike-N-Go: You don't know about PITA ? |
| 07:01.44 | Nom- | For shame... |
| 07:01.59 | Mike-N-Go | It is a Mexican food.. and that is what I want to know it as. |
| 07:02.09 | Nom- | ~shame Mike-N-Go |
| 07:02.11 | purl | Shame on you Mike-N-Go! |
| 07:02.20 | Nom- | botsnack |
| 07:02.26 | Mike-N-Go | ~botsnack |
| 07:02.26 | purl | thanks, Mike-N-Go |
| 07:02.57 | Nom- | PITA is an acronym for Pain in the Arse |
| 07:03.38 | leethal | blizzard needs to make droprates less random |
| 07:03.51 | leethal | higher chance to drop each loot, for instance (when you kill 500 of the same thing to get 1 foo) |
| 07:03.59 | Mike-N-Go | Pain In The Anatomy |
| 07:04.10 | Nom- | lol, that would just be fair, leethal |
| 07:04.28 | Nom- | You have no idea how many hours of my life were wasted trying to farm Crusader at Crusader tower |
| 07:04.48 | Mike-N-Go | What is the easter thing? I only opened a few eggs.. |
| 07:04.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i burned about 20-30, it finally dropped one day |
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| 07:05.13 | Nom- | I spent a good 60-80 hours there |
| 07:05.22 | Nom- | Never got a single drop of it |
| 07:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was over the course of a year or so though |
| 07:05.40 | Nom- | This was over the course of 4 weeks :P |
| 07:05.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have the mettle to farm for more than an hour or two at a time |
| 07:06.00 | Nom- | I used to get home from work and go farming there until it was time to go to bed |
| 07:06.14 | Nom- | I eventually conceded to the fact that it wasn't to be |
| 07:06.21 | Nom- | Then my guildmate went there for 4 hours and got 3 drops |
| 07:06.25 | Nom- | @!#(*$&@#$ |
| 07:10.07 | Mike-N-Go | ~bzfrag Nom- |
| 07:10.18 | purl | ACTION squishes Nom- with a steamroller |
| 07:15.09 | Nom- | ~chainsaw Mike-N-Go |
| 07:15.18 | leethal | did any of you manage to complete "Of Thistleheads and Eggs"? |
| 07:15.26 | leethal | I've been looting eggs for an hour now |
| 07:16.21 | Nom- | Nah, haven't done it yet |
| 07:16.40 | Nom- | All the eggs have green glow around them. I just picked up an egg from one with that effect. |
| 07:16.51 | Nom- | That's from a comment on wowhead |
| 07:17.08 | leethal | uhm.. all the eggs has a green glow, and he picked one of those with a green glow? |
| 07:17.23 | Nom- | yea |
| 07:18.51 | JunkHead-Work | I didn't know about the egg thing until the day after. |
| 07:19.44 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?object=184795 |
| 07:20.06 | Nom- | Seems there's actually a 'Rotten Arakkoa Egg' in the place somewhere |
| 07:20.09 | leethal | uhm what egg thing? |
| 07:23.28 | JunkHead-Work | I was talking about the easter thing. |
| 07:24.30 | leethal | yay finally |
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| 08:02.25 | Shirik | dolby-wowi you here? |
| 08:04.39 | Industrial | so I couldnt use django for my websites for school. |
| 08:04.46 | Shirik | django? |
| 08:04.54 | Industrial | a python web framework |
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| 08:05.11 | Shirik | yuk |
| 08:05.16 | Industrial | sort of like the ruby on rails web framework |
| 08:05.16 | Shirik | php ftw. |
| 08:05.24 | Shirik | oh god not that again >< |
| 08:05.25 | Industrial | python is yummy ;) |
| 08:05.31 | Industrial | SO |
| 08:05.39 | Industrial | I found cakephp.org |
| 08:05.52 | Industrial | a _php_ MVC webframework |
| 08:05.56 | Industrial | win xD |
| 08:06.02 | Shirik | MVC? |
| 08:06.39 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_view_controller |
| 08:06.40 | Shirik | meh, everything I do in php is raw, really |
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| 08:07.03 | Industrial | try the cakephp screencasts :P (quicktime) |
| 08:07.47 | leethal | Ruby on Rails > all other frameworks |
| 08:08.03 | Shirik | .... |
| 08:08.13 | Shirik | I can't see any good reason to use it |
| 08:08.14 | Shirik | at all |
| 08:08.22 | Shirik | and we had this discussion like a month ago, didn't we >< |
| 08:08.43 | Shirik | maybe it was someone else |
| 08:09.00 | leethal | if you don't like it, it's your problem |
| 08:09.17 | leethal | if you use web app frameworks, that is |
| 08:09.22 | leethal | if you don't, then why care =) |
| 08:10.00 | Shirik | because someone else was trying to convince me to switch to it last time |
| 08:10.27 | leethal | no point convincing people, really |
| 08:10.41 | leethal | when a person discovers Ruby on Rails and don't switch to it, he fails anyway |
| 08:10.45 | Shirik | php works perfectly fine for me, and I understand it well, and I can do about anything I want. Why switch? |
| 08:10.46 | Shirik | ....... |
| 08:11.01 | leethal | because it's nicer |
| 08:11.11 | leethal | you'll be a more happy programmer, doing stuff way more efficient |
| 08:11.12 | Industrial | I like django. The problem is that my 'client' is the school itself and they would onlt accept php because the sites will actually be ran and used both internally and externally by the school and someone will need to change them in tue future. if they do they thought it'd be better if it was in php because most programmers know php (especially at a mediacollege :E) |
| 08:11.18 | Shirik | I completely disagree. I've seen the code, and it looks just.... so counter-intuitive |
| 08:11.27 | leethal | you fail, then |
| 08:11.30 | Shirik | or at least, it looks so different from everythign else I know |
| 08:11.36 | leethal | well, it is |
| 08:11.41 | Industrial | leethal: not so harsh. hes entitled to his opinion. |
| 08:11.53 | Shirik | in php, in java, in C, they all do a for loop with for (var, test, step) { code } |
| 08:11.59 | leethal | Industrial: and me to mine, ya? |
| 08:12.00 | Shirik | iirc, ruby is completely different |
| 08:12.24 | Shirik | even lua is similar, with for start, end, step |
| 08:13.09 | Industrial | ruby has different ways of doing the same thing. |
| 08:13.17 | leethal | of course, it's a different language |
| 08:13.33 | leethal | a language made for programmers, not computers *rant rant* |
| 08:13.47 | Shirik | right, all I'm saying is I don't see a reason for me to use it, given I know php perfectly fine, and ruby doesn't give me anything new |
| 08:14.24 | Industrial | btw, "for element in collection dostuffhere end" is correct |
| 08:14.56 | leethal | or collection.each do |element1, element2| dostuffhere end |
| 08:14.57 | Industrial | Shirik: its more about what the webframework has to offer. you can cut alot of time with it. |
| 08:15.05 | krka | Industrial: is that ruby? |
| 08:15.14 | krka | kinda similar to lua :) |
| 08:15.17 | Industrial | krka: so said http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/control.html |
| 08:15.19 | Industrial | krka: correct |
| 08:15.32 | krka | exactly like lua 5.0 even |
| 08:15.37 | Shirik | well |
| 08:15.39 | Shirik | deprecated lua 5.0 |
| 08:15.43 | krka | yeah |
| 08:16.23 | krka | i suppose you could define "collection" as a table with its metatable __call set to pairs |
| 08:16.30 | krka | then it would be the same |
| 08:16.33 | Industrial | =) |
| 08:18.45 | Shirik | ow |
| 08:18.47 | Shirik | ok that wasn't right |
| 08:19.07 | Shirik | had: a = {1,2,3}; setmetatable(a, {__call = function() return pairs(a) end}); for v in a do print(v); end |
| 08:19.42 | leethal | what's that? |
| 08:19.51 | Shirik | 04:16:51 ‹krka› i suppose you could define "collection" as a table with its metatable __call set to pairs |
| 08:21.19 | krka | hmm |
| 08:21.23 | Shirik | it spammed the hell out of my screen though |
| 08:21.25 | krka | i may have been wrong |
| 08:21.54 | Shirik | all I get printed is a bunch of functions |
| 08:21.59 | krka | me too |
| 08:22.06 | ckknight | lemme think... |
| 08:22.18 | krka | ah right, this won't work at all |
| 08:22.21 | krka | need a () around it |
| 08:22.28 | krka | for v in a(a) |
| 08:22.31 | krka | but that's kinda pointless |
| 08:22.31 | ckknight | a = {1,2,3}; setmetatable(a, {__call = function(self) return ipairs(self) end}); for i,v in a do print(v); end |
| 08:22.38 | Shirik | well that's why I made the closure |
| 08:22.52 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 08:22.55 | Shirik | and why I didn't do __call = pairs |
| 08:22.55 | ckknight | weird. |
| 08:22.55 | krka | hmm |
| 08:23.28 | ckknight | oh |
| 08:23.30 | ckknight | pretty simple |
| 08:23.34 | krka | __call = next then? |
| 08:23.40 | ckknight | a = {1,2,3}; setmetatable(a, {__call = function(self) return ipairs(self) end}); for i,v in a() do print(v); end |
| 08:24.13 | ckknight | I'd just have an a:Iterate() method anyway |
| 08:24.17 | ckknight | that's my preferred way |
| 08:24.23 | krka | i'm not seeing how that's different from __call = ipairs |
| 08:24.39 | ckknight | it's not, krka :-P |
| 08:24.44 | krka | except it throws away the extra args |
| 08:27.26 | krka | setmetatable(a, {__call = function(a,b,c) return next(a,c) end}) |
| 08:27.27 | krka | that works |
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| 08:27.27 | Shirik|Ghost | stupid isp |
| 08:27.27 | Shirik | so... |
| 08:27.27 | Shirik | 04:25:15 ‹Shirik› but why is a() required :/ |
| 08:27.27 | Shirik | 04:25:42 * Disconnected |
| 08:27.31 | Shirik | instead of just a |
| 08:27.39 | ckknight | because of the way iterators work |
| 08:27.54 | ckknight | what pairs(t) does is return next, t, nil |
| 08:28.01 | krka | sorry i was wrong Shirik |
| 08:28.03 | krka | it's not required |
| 08:28.14 | krka | setmetatable(a, {__call = function(a,b,c) return next(a,c) end}) |
| 08:28.14 | ckknight | so for k,v in next, t, nil do ... end is really what it's doing |
| 08:28.26 | krka | for k, v in a do ... end |
| 08:28.53 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 08:28.57 | Shirik | ah I see |
| 08:29.13 | Shirik | and if we do a instead of a(), we're going to call pairs() every time and get a new iterator |
| 08:29.25 | Shirik | which we don't want to do |
| 08:29.27 | krka | i am not even using pairs |
| 08:29.31 | krka | see my working example :) |
| 08:29.35 | Shirik | ref: ckknight's example |
| 08:30.09 | krka | no, you'll only call a() once, at the beginning of the loop |
| 08:30.29 | krka | i think |
| 08:30.37 | ckknight | nope |
| 08:30.42 | ckknight | it's called every time the loop goes |
| 08:31.09 | Shirik | but, krka's solution works :) |
| 08:31.09 | ckknight | hang on, for which example? |
| 08:31.11 | krka | er, sorry, i meant if you explicitly write "for k, v in a() do" |
| 08:31.12 | ckknight | yes, it does |
| 08:31.17 | ckknight | oh, right |
| 08:31.22 | ckknight | then a() will be called once and only once |
| 08:31.26 | Shirik | right, I mean if you do "for v in a do" |
| 08:31.29 | Shirik | it wll be called every time |
| 08:31.52 | krka | yeah |
| 08:31.59 | krka | you're using a as the iterator function |
| 08:32.47 | Shirik | btw leethal, wrt: 04:20:11 ‹leethal› what's that? |
| 08:32.59 | Shirik | they're lua metatables, one of the most fun concepts lua has to offer ^^ |
| 08:33.29 | ckknight | metatable madness |
| 08:33.32 | leethal | metatables? hmm |
| 08:33.33 | ckknight | I use em all the time. |
| 08:33.38 | Shirik | me too ^^ |
| 08:33.50 | Shirik | metatables merely tell a table how to act under special situations |
| 08:33.53 | leethal | what's the differences between a table and a metatable? |
| 08:33.57 | leethal | hmm |
| 08:34.11 | ckknight | a metatable is a table, it just provides extra information about a different table |
| 08:34.16 | ckknight | like data and metadata |
| 08:34.18 | Shirik | for example, if you try to "call" a table, as if it were a function, it will search the metatable for a __call function |
| 08:34.24 | Shirik | which is what we were doing |
| 08:34.31 | Shirik | or, if an index doesn't exist, it will search __index |
| 08:35.13 | ckknight | __index is very helpful |
| 08:35.18 | ckknight | example time |
| 08:35.37 | Shirik | for example: foo = {a = 1}; bar = {}; setmetatable(bar, {__index = foo}); print (bar.a); |
| 08:35.41 | Shirik | you will find that it prints 1 |
| 08:36.08 | leethal | hmm |
| 08:36.12 | ckknight | local fib = setmetatable({1,1}, {__index = function(self, key) local value = self[key-2] + self[key-1]; self[key] = value; return value; end}) |
| 08:36.15 | ckknight | fibonacci sequence |
| 08:36.52 | Shirik | I actually explain a little bit about them in my OOP overview of Lua: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php/Object_Oriented_Programming#Metatables |
| 08:37.32 | leethal | hmm |
| 08:37.43 | ckknight | and AceOO-2.0 actually uses them so that if you describe a method :CompareTo(bravo), for instance, it'll automatically provide the __lt, __lte, __eq metamethods |
| 08:37.45 | ckknight | and such. |
| 08:38.21 | ckknight | but yea, due to the __index metamethod, you can use a prototyping-style OOP |
| 08:38.42 | ckknight | more similar to javascript's OO than C++'s |
| 08:38.57 | Shirik | unfortunately I don't know much about javascript >< |
| 08:39.04 | ckknight | learn! |
| 08:39.11 | ckknight | you must keep learning |
| 08:39.16 | ckknight | otherwise your skillset stagnates |
| 08:39.26 | Shirik | aye, but I'm still picking up on Java |
| 08:39.37 | Shirik | this updater I've been working on is the first time I tried to do any multithreading in Java |
| 08:39.42 | Shirik | so, there's been a lot of learning >< |
| 08:40.04 | krka | cool Shirik, soon enough you'll start "picking on java" instead |
| 08:40.12 | Shirik | no, I already hate java |
| 08:40.22 | Shirik | so there's no "start," it already happened |
| 08:40.39 | Shirik | unfortunately there are tools for every job, and as much as I hate java, I felt it was the best tool for this problem |
| 08:41.15 | Shirik | If I had my way, everything would be done in C++, but sometimes it's just not practical |
| 08:41.59 | ckknight | note: Java and Javascript are not similar at all. Javascript is only called that due to marketing purposes |
| 08:42.02 | ckknight | should've stayed ECMAScript as far as I'm concerned |
| 08:42.14 | Shirik | yeah, that's why I know Java well and Javascript not at all >< |
| 08:42.36 | ckknight | C++ is horrid in its own ways. |
| 08:42.46 | Shirik | !! |
| 08:42.48 | Shirik | why? |
| 08:43.14 | ckknight | it's a mish-mash of C with some added capabilities, but not added in a nice fashion |
| 08:43.27 | Shirik | hm, I could agree with that much |
| 08:43.33 | Shirik | they tried to make it as backwards compatible as possible |
| 08:44.02 | ckknight | for an object-oriented C, I frankly think ObjC had a much nicer approach |
| 08:44.31 | Shirik | welp |
| 08:44.40 | Shirik | there's many that argued beta was better than vhs |
| 08:44.47 | Shirik | some things just don't happen unfortunately :( |
| 08:47.20 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:47.20 | ckknight | the whole betamax thing is due to Sony clinging onto the proprietary-ness without having cheap licensing |
| 08:47.27 | ckknight | also, the whole C-style syntax I have issues with |
| 08:48.05 | ckknight | it was originally contrived when keyboards were much simpler and new features were added on as more keys were added, specifically with regard to grouping characters, e.g. <>, [], {}, () |
| 08:48.22 | ckknight | as well as being written in a time where only very simple LL(1) parsers were available |
| 08:53.01 | ckknight | Global Warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgBQQ2BxC0I |
| 08:55.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:55.27 | Shirik | "If you stare directly at the sun and count the number of spots you see..." |
| 08:55.59 | ckknight | Shirik: that's my third video :-P |
| 08:56.05 | Shirik | that's yours? |
| 08:56.21 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:56.25 | Shirik | haha nice |
| 08:56.31 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/southernjesse |
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| 09:04.45 | Shirik | ckknight |
| 09:04.51 | Shirik | that picture of george bush in the background |
| 09:04.58 | ckknight | yes? |
| 09:05.05 | Shirik | does that really exist? |
| 09:05.11 | ckknight | what do you mean? |
| 09:05.12 | ckknight | he's president |
| 09:05.17 | ckknight | of course he exists |
| 09:05.22 | Shirik | the picture |
| 09:05.29 | ckknight | what about it? |
| 09:05.34 | Shirik | never mind >< |
| 09:05.40 | ckknight | it's a prop |
| 09:07.53 | ckknight | I also have an American flag in the background |
| 09:08.13 | Shirik | yeah never mind >< |
| 09:08.31 | Shirik | I think the real question was, is this really your room |
| 09:08.35 | Shirik | in its normal state |
| 09:08.53 | leethal | the real question is really "is the room?" |
| 09:09.21 | Shirik | is that a question? |
| 09:10.33 | Shirik | ckknight: just never mind, ignore everything I ever said, as you should probably normally do |
| 09:10.47 | leethal | why oh why did blizzard add dazed to the game |
| 09:10.55 | leethal | and mobs that net you when you run away |
| 09:10.57 | ckknight | Shirik: it's my real room |
| 09:11.01 | ckknight | I normally don't have a picture of bush up, or the flag |
| 09:11.19 | ckknight | also, I have a northern accent |
| 09:11.23 | ckknight | not a southern one |
| 09:11.27 | Shirik | nothing wrong with the flag, really, just the bush picture was a bit... |
| 09:12.20 | ckknight | he's helping America defeat terr'r! |
| 09:12.28 | ckknight | you support the troops, don't you? |
| 09:12.41 | leethal | please don't go there =P |
| 09:13.13 | ckknight | oh, I went there |
| 09:13.22 | ckknight | I went there, I took some pictures, and came back already |
| 09:14.08 | Shirik | (not directed at ckknight, I realize that was in jest) I'm really disappointed that any time anyone says anything against Bush, it's immediately turned into "not supporting the troops" |
| 09:14.24 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:14.29 | ckknight | I'm a satirist |
| 09:14.32 | ckknight | this is what I do |
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| 09:17.22 | leethal | any hordies on sunstrider europe here btw? =P |
| 09:19.10 | Industrial | hellfire alliance yarr |
| 09:19.28 | Industrial | i was a horde nazi but then i rolled alliance and theres like no difference cept the zepelin =D |
| 09:19.42 | leethal | tram > zeppelin hehe |
| 09:19.54 | Industrial | but the boat sucks |
| 09:19.57 | Industrial | :( |
| 09:20.01 | leethal | and being human mage that gets exhalted with everything in 2 days |
| 09:20.05 | leethal | exalted* |
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| 15:12.35 | Bembel | Anyone here to help me with a WoW API-related question? |
| 15:13.03 | JoshBorke | if you just ask your question some lurkers might just poke in and answer :-D |
| 15:13.09 | JoshBorke | or you could be ignored like i always am |
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| 15:14.42 | Bembel | I'll just shoot then: Is there a way to get some sort of quest ID using APIs. Seeing Thottbot, WowHead et. al. using the same IDs for quest I was wondering how to obtain those IDs |
| 15:15.02 | Shirik | negative |
| 15:15.21 | cogwheel|work | They do that by technically illegal means |
| 15:15.25 | Shirik | You have to use a little bit more work, but it's not directly available to the UI |
| 15:15.26 | cogwheel|work | though blizzard turns a blind eye |
| 15:15.45 | JoshBorke | see? what did i tell you |
| 15:15.51 | Bembel | :) |
| 15:15.56 | cogwheel|work | Did you hear something? |
| 15:16.03 | Shirik | Bembel said :) |
| 15:16.08 | Bembel | Thanks guys |
| 15:16.09 | JoshBorke | i'm like the gnome they keep in a box until wanted |
| 15:16.13 | Shirik | no problem :) |
| 15:16.47 | Bembel | Does this mean using undocumented/protected stuff or parsing some files? |
| 15:16.56 | Shirik | it means data mining cache files, etc. |
| 15:17.11 | Shirik | technically illegal means |
| 15:18.47 | Bembel | That sucks, a tiny addon to sync quests for a guild site seemed so useful and simple to code up until now |
| 15:19.04 | Shirik | in an extremely high majority of cases |
| 15:19.07 | Shirik | the names are unique |
| 15:19.13 | Shirik | you could use that as an identifier |
| 15:19.29 | cogwheel|work | 'cept for chains |
| 15:19.41 | cogwheel|work | but yeah... "extremely high majority" is about right |
| 15:19.44 | Shirik | mm some chains have different names, but some are identical you're right |
| 15:21.33 | Shirik | bleh |
| 15:21.47 | Shirik | pastey.net needs to have 68hc12 hilighting |
| 15:22.22 | Bembel | damn, I wanted to include useful links to some quest sites, no way to do that now |
| 15:22.32 | Shirik | sure there is |
| 15:22.37 | Shirik | it's just not as easy as it was |
| 15:22.48 | Shirik | There's a way to do everything :D |
| 15:23.02 | Bembel | was? did they change stuff? |
| 15:23.17 | Shirik | "was" when you thought you could get the quest id |
| 15:23.25 | Bembel | :( |
| 15:23.33 | Shirik | what you need to do |
| 15:23.45 | Shirik | is have your web server submit a request to thottbot or whatever, and then parse the response |
| 15:23.50 | Shirik | make it think like a human |
| 15:23.57 | Shirik | have it submit a request for the quest name, and then figure out the ID |
| 15:24.25 | Shirik | the same thing works on my site, when someone applies, their character name is submitted to warcraftrealms.com and their character guild history is retrieved and appended to their application :) |
| 15:24.31 | Shirik | it's not like I knew their character ID or something |
| 15:25.25 | Bembel | bleh, screen-scraping time again |
| 15:25.25 | Shirik | of course, that isn't the easiest thing to do |
| 15:25.27 | Shirik | but it's possible |
| 15:29.06 | Bembel | alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks! |
| 15:29.17 | Shirik | no problem :) |
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| 16:08.21 | abug | does blizzard provide a copy of the lua license? |
| 16:08.33 | Shirik | the lua license? |
| 16:09.43 | abug | ChanServ: http://www.lua.org/license.html#5 |
| 16:09.56 | abug | oops |
| 16:10.12 | abug | diaf chanserv |
| 16:10.34 | Shirik | why would they need to provide that? |
| 16:10.41 | abug | it says so in the license |
| 16:11.17 | Shirik | blizzard isn't giving you permission to copy it |
| 16:11.38 | Shirik | they, of course, can't restrict you from doing that |
| 16:11.42 | Shirik | but they also haven't granted it |
| 16:11.50 | Shirik | (on a related note, I'm looking :P ) |
| 16:12.02 | abug | "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software." |
| 16:12.09 | abug | where is it!?! |
| 16:12.29 | JoshBorke | in the code we can't see? |
| 16:12.35 | abug | heh probably |
| 16:12.37 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 16:15.50 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:16.19 | Shirik | it's probably in common.mpq, and if it's not, when you tell them it's missing, they'll add it and you'll never know because right now nobody except blizzard can open that file |
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| 16:21.25 | abug | lawl @ http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/11/0737203 |
| 16:21.42 | abug | the innocents always suffer |
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| 16:49.42 | Shirik | is it supposed to be up today or something? |
| 16:49.43 | JoshBorke | you'll be waiting a while :-P |
| 16:49.56 | Shirik | >>> print("Hi Cide!"); |
| 16:49.59 | cogwheel|work | it is in my book :P |
| 16:50.20 | Cide | >>> print("Hi Shirik!") |
| 16:50.20 | Cide | Cide: "Hi Shirik!" |
| 16:50.47 | Shirik | I need an internship over the summer, does anyone have any recommendations of whom to check out? |
| 16:50.55 | Shirik | I've already submitted an app to lockheed martin |
| 16:51.01 | sysrage | blizzard! |
| 16:51.10 | Shirik | blizzard doesn't have any internships, I already checked |
| 16:51.16 | sysrage | heh |
| 16:51.17 | [dRaCo] | hehe |
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| 16:53.53 | [dRaCo] | a friend of mine got one from chrysler |
| 16:53.56 | [dRaCo] | was a while ago, though |
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| 16:54.09 | [dRaCo] | dunno if they offer any atm |
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| 17:23.15 | cogwheel|work | :( http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/11/1614212 |
| 17:23.29 | Shirik | haha |
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| 17:24.02 | cogwheel|work | <3 http://comesinthreesizes.ytmnd.com/ |
| 17:24.19 | Shirik | haha |
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| 17:32.13 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 17:32.24 | Shirik | No yawning! |
| 17:32.48 | Shirik | T_T |
| 17:34.57 | Maldivia | Not much happening here today? |
| 17:35.10 | Shirik | no :( |
| 17:35.20 | Shirik | I mean ... I'm actually writing up my lab |
| 17:35.25 | Shirik | and... it's 5 hours early |
| 17:35.35 | Shirik | that means I must be REALLY bored :P |
| 17:35.39 | cogwheel|work | I'm in addon coding limbo until the 2.1 ptr :P |
| 17:35.59 | Shirik | imo he's coding addons for 2.1 because he thinks it's actually going to be opened sometime soon |
| 17:35.59 | Maldivia | cogwheel: same... or well, in limbo until MAy 31st :) |
| 17:36.27 | Maldivia | cogwheel: but that's probably the same as waiting for 2.1 (drum-roll) |
| 17:37.31 | cogwheel|work | don'tcha mean (rim-shot)? |
| 17:37.33 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 17:37.42 | cogwheel|work | ~rimshot |
| 17:37.50 | purl | ch-ch-chhh |
| 17:37.50 | Maldivia | probably... no idea... |
| 17:38.01 | Maldivia | I'm tired... |
| 17:38.24 | Shirik | ch ch chhh? |
| 17:38.32 | Shirik | I thought it was "buh dum tssh" |
| 17:38.42 | cogwheel|work | i did too :( |
| 17:39.51 | cogwheel|work | purl, no rimshot is <reply>ba-dum CHH |
| 17:39.53 | purl | cogwheel|work: okay |
| 17:40.00 | Maldivia | ~rimshot |
| 17:40.02 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 17:40.11 | Maldivia | good bot |
| 17:40.17 | cogwheel|work | ~botsnack |
| 17:40.17 | purl | cogwheel|work: thanks |
| 17:40.38 | Maldivia | damn, it's not even 8pm, and I'm tired as hell... |
| 17:42.23 | Maldivia | Anything intersting happening lately ? |
| 17:43.20 | cogwheel|work | i finally hit 70 last night... |
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| 17:44.03 | Maldivia | grat s:) |
| 17:44.31 | Maldivia | funny, I actually just hit your armory link accedentially, and noticed it aswell :9 |
| 17:45.17 | Maldivia | you forgot to spend your last talent point :9 |
| 17:45.19 | cogwheel|work | Still hasn't hit my character selection screen on the forums yet :( |
| 17:45.24 | cogwheel|work | haha... yes i did |
| 17:49.00 | cogwheel|work | :( |
| 17:49.06 | cogwheel|work | the armory isn't loading my talents for me... |
| 17:50.39 | Maldivia | the armory is often very very slow |
| 17:55.46 | cogwheel|work | my skills, rep, & character sheet are nearly instant... it's just the talents... |
| 17:56.38 | Maldivia | your talents loaded fine here |
| 17:56.56 | cogwheel|work | hmm... |
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| 17:57.46 | cogwheel|work | looks like it's IE7's fault |
| 17:58.19 | cogwheel|work | (or perhaps one of the addons i have for it) |
| 17:58.36 | Maldivia | IE... then you're just asking for it |
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| 18:00.09 | cogwheel|work | I like to keep an open mind and try not to do anything religiously. That includes my choice of web browser. I've been working with IE7 for the last few weeks to really remind myself whether FF is all it's cracked up to be |
| 18:00.44 | Jumpee | and so what did you find about FF? |
| 18:00.59 | Jumpee | or decide I should say |
| 18:01.58 | cogwheel|work | Probably going to switch back soon |
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| 18:02.34 | Maldivia | I'm forced to use IE at the moment, because I'm not at my own computer, and it's really frustrating at times... |
| 18:02.44 | cogwheel|work | I want to wait a while longer sincei don't want to switch just because I'm still used to it |
| 18:02.51 | Maldivia | Perhaps I would see it differently, if I had the chance to costumize it to my needs etc |
| 18:03.54 | cogwheel|work | heh. yeah... I've gotten a couple addons for IE that make it more firefox-like... in-line search, ad blocker, etc. |
| 18:04.24 | Maldivia | in-line search is one of the things I miss the most |
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| 18:22.23 | DT_ | Anyone available to help me really quick? |
| 18:23.39 | DT_ | Basically my problem is this: if I put a small little snippet of code into the OnClick handler of my button then my addon completely stops working, but if I call a function from the handler, and the function has that same snippet, then everything works fine |
| 18:23.40 | cogwheel|work | "Just ask (tm)" |
| 18:23.43 | DT_ | And I can't figure out why |
| 18:24.10 | DT_ | Here's the button: http://wowi.pastey.net/11681 and the snippet: http://wowi.pastey.net/11682 |
| 18:24.53 | cogwheel|work | What do you mean by "completely stops working"? |
| 18:25.01 | cogwheel|work | an error message? doesn't load at all? |
| 18:25.05 | DT_ | Doesn't load at all |
| 18:25.17 | Shirik | then you had an XML parse error |
| 18:25.20 | Shirik | most likely |
| 18:25.27 | cogwheel|work | Check FrameXML.log |
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| 18:28.43 | Maldivia | a good way to check for xml parse errors is to try and load the xml file in Firefox or Internet Explorer (or what ever webbrowser you use) |
| 18:29.05 | Shirik | and if you use Internet Explorer I will be forced to kill you |
| 18:29.10 | DT_ | Hehe |
| 18:29.48 | DT_ | "A name was started with an invalid character." |
| 18:29.56 | DT_ | if ( rc >= -32 and rc <= 32 ) then |
| 18:29.56 | DT_ | ------------------------^ |
| 18:29.56 | DT_ | class="e"> |
| 18:30.04 | Shirik | ok, post your xml code? |
| 18:30.10 | Shirik | oh... |
| 18:30.16 | Shirik | did you write Lua directly into your XML? |
| 18:30.16 | DT_ | Well, that arrow is supposed to be pointing at the second 32 |
| 18:30.24 | Shirik | I would strongly advise against that |
| 18:30.27 | Maldivia | if you use < > in the XML file, you have to write < and > instead |
| 18:30.31 | DT_ | I know, but it's just a tiny snippet |
| 18:30.37 | Shirik | Yeah, but what Maldivia is the problem |
| 18:30.43 | Shirik | <= and >= is illegal in XML |
| 18:30.50 | Shirik | it'll confuse with the element |
| 18:30.58 | DT_ | Ah, got it |
| 18:31.10 | DT_ | Thanks Cogwheel, Shirik, and Maldivia ;) |
| 18:31.51 | Shirik | no problem :) |
| 18:32.36 | Maldivia | If you have longer code segments in an XML file, and you don't want to use the < etc, you can embed then im CDATA blocks |
| 18:32.57 | Shirik | yeah that was going to be my recommendation :P |
| 18:33.05 | Shirik | I didn't think < and > would come out right |
| 18:33.08 | Shirik | or maybe it just didn't occur to me |
| 18:33.40 | DT_ | Not sure how to do the CDATA blocks, but I'll probably just follow Shirik's recommendation and move the code out of the xml anyway |
| 18:33.45 | DT_ | I just wanted to know why it wasn't working |
| 18:34.10 | Shirik | <![CDATA[ code block ]]> |
| 18:34.11 | Maldivia | example (\n = newline): <OnClick> \n --<![CDATA[ \n blabla(); lots of code(); \n -- ]]> \n </OnClick> |
| 18:34.12 | cogwheel|work | <![CDATA[ blah --]]> |
| 18:34.29 | Shirik | I win !! |
| 18:34.37 | cogwheel|work | you didn't comment the closing tag :P |
| 18:34.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:34.54 | Shirik | I still was first |
| 18:34.55 | cogwheel|work | or is that necessary? |
| 18:35.02 | Shirik | dunno, I've never used CDATA in XML |
| 18:35.05 | Shirik | I rarely use XML in the first place |
| 18:35.15 | cogwheel|work | I use it in XHTML |
| 18:35.19 | cogwheel|work | for scripts |
| 18:35.29 | Maldivia | better be on the safe side, and lua-comment both :) |
| 18:35.32 | Shirik | In strict XML it's not required |
| 18:35.42 | Shirik | I know that much |
| 18:35.53 | Maldivia | well, it's not the xml it breaks, but the lua parsing :) |
| 18:35.58 | Shirik | aye |
| 18:36.01 | cogwheel|work | yep, but it's better than wrapping it in a pseudo-comment block to prevent it from rendering in older browsers |
| 18:36.03 | Shirik | that's why I'm wondering :P |
| 18:36.41 | Maldivia | but the cdata block shouldn't be needed to be commented out, since the xml parser should "remove" it |
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| 18:56.23 | Mike-N-Go | What does this mean: nesting of [[...]] is deprecated near '[' |
| 18:56.53 | cogwheel|work | you can't have [[ ]] inside another [[ ]] |
| 18:57.05 | cogwheel|work | lern2lua5.1 :P |
| 18:57.08 | Shirik | when could you do that? |
| 18:57.13 | cogwheel|work | 5.1 |
| 18:57.17 | cogwheel|work | s/1/0/ |
| 18:57.21 | Shirik | oh like |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | a = {b = 1}; c[a[b]] ? |
| 18:57.31 | Mike-N-Go | Well, 'if ( event == "PLAYER_LOGIN" ) then' is the line it links to.. |
| 18:57.33 | cogwheel|work | no |
| 18:57.42 | Shirik | or comments? |
| 18:57.48 | cogwheel|work | like x = [[ hello this is a long string [[ blah blah ]] sthaoenuth ]] |
| 18:58.05 | Shirik | that's.... lua? |
| 18:58.27 | cogwheel|work | the [[ ... ]] syntax isn't specific to comments |
| 18:59.07 | Mike-N-Go | And there are no comments inside a comment.. |
| 18:59.14 | cogwheel|work | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.1 |
| 18:59.28 | cogwheel|work | Mike-N-Go: no, you just have to use the new nesting syntax |
| 18:59.42 | cogwheel|work | and it's not about comments |
| 18:59.47 | cogwheel|work | it's a generic long string syntax |
| 18:59.55 | Shirik | I see |
| 18:59.59 | cogwheel|work | they just happen to be used more often for comments |
| 18:59.59 | Shirik | learn something new every day :) |
| 19:01.22 | Mike-N-Go | Humm.. |
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| 19:04.03 | clad | Bleeter: PING |
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| 19:04.11 | Shirik | Don't do it! |
| 19:04.18 | clad | no, really he should |
| 19:04.19 | clad | in this case |
| 19:04.22 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:04.23 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Ping |
| 19:04.26 | clad | i don't hop on from work unless its actually important =) |
| 19:04.31 | Shirik | I refuse to pong! |
| 19:04.42 | Mike-N-Go | You just did! |
| 19:04.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:04.54 | zenzelezz | pong needs a new graphics engine |
| 19:05.02 | Shirik | ~pong |
| 19:05.07 | purl | PING! |
| 19:05.35 | Cairenn | Bleeter: PING!!!! |
| 19:05.44 | Shirik | ZOMG PING! |
| 19:06.08 | clad | lol chicken-ping-a-rojni |
| 19:06.14 | Maldivia | table tennis... |
| 19:06.25 | Shirik | Want to play, Maldivia? |
| 19:06.29 | Shirik | | o |
| 19:06.31 | cogwheel|work | Maldivia: wouldn't it just be "table" |
| 19:06.33 | Shirik | | o |
| 19:06.38 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 19:06.40 | Shirik | :( spaces are truncated? |
| 19:06.41 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.01 | Maldivia | Shirik: using a web-client ? |
| 19:07.04 | Shirik | | o |
| 19:07.08 | Shirik | mirc, unfortunately :( |
| 19:07.21 | Maldivia | mirc shouldn't truncate spaces... |
| 19:07.23 | Mike-N-Go | cogwheel|work: What was i t you were saying about the syntax? |
| 19:07.31 | cogwheel|work | see the link |
| 19:07.31 | Maldivia | unless Khaled really screwed it up |
| 19:07.58 | cogwheel|work | and ctrl-f for "long brackets" |
| 19:08.10 | Shirik | test test |
| 19:08.12 | Shirik | nope :( |
| 19:08.17 | Shirik | only one space at a time |
| 19:08.21 | cogwheel|work | test test |
| 19:08.29 | cogwheel|work | chatzilla 4tw |
| 19:08.39 | Shirik | hrm, I saw it with only one space also |
| 19:08.44 | Shirik | odd |
| 19:08.48 | JoshBorke | it's all about the pidgin |
| 19:08.48 | Shirik | Khaled ftl |
| 19:08.55 | cogwheel|work | time to go digging through options |
| 19:13.31 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 19:13.33 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 19:13.40 | Maldivia | ~emulate me |
| 19:13.42 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 19:14.21 | Shirik | ouch |
| 19:14.23 | Shirik | that's cold |
| 19:14.25 | Shirik | ~hug Maldivia |
| 19:14.27 | purl | ACTION jumps into Maldivia's lap and huggles and *hugs* Maldivia |
| 19:14.51 | Maldivia | ~botsnack |
| 19:14.51 | purl | Maldivia: :) |
| 19:15.16 | Shirik | ~emulate Shirik |
| 19:15.23 | Shirik | T_T |
| 19:15.24 | Cairenn | *chuckles at JoshBorke* |
| 19:15.54 | Shirik | I still have a philosophy on life >.> |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | ~Shirik |
| 19:15.57 | purl | "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 19:15.59 | Shirik | :D |
| 19:16.25 | JoshBorke | /flex |
| 19:16.48 | Maldivia | hmm, wonder if purl has something on me anymore... |
| 19:16.52 | Maldivia | ~Maldivia |
| 19:16.54 | purl | well, maldivia is 19:55 < Maldivia_> it's the xxx I'm interested in |
| 19:16.58 | Shirik | o.o |
| 19:17.00 | Maldivia | lol |
| 19:17.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:17.21 | Maldivia | ok, that was unexpected |
| 19:17.55 | JoshBorke | but accurate? |
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| 19:19.22 | Maldivia | it's taken out of context :| |
| 19:19.58 | JoshBorke | context has no meaning in insults |
| 19:20.10 | Maldivia | apparently |
| 19:20.43 | JoshBorke | s/insults/quotes/ |
| 19:20.48 | JoshBorke | don't you watch the newes? |
| 19:21.15 | Maldivia | we don't have that kind here... |
| 19:21.17 | Maldivia | :) |
| 19:21.31 | JoshBorke | i'm jealous :-) |
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| 19:22.06 | Shirik | Baseball hates me, plain and simple |
| 19:22.12 | Shirik | Last week, my best players were postponed the entire week |
| 19:22.21 | Shirik | This week, my catcher gets hurt. So I get a new one, and his game is postponed |
| 19:22.27 | Shirik | How am I supposed to win this league like this? |
| 19:22.52 | Maldivia | cheat? |
| 19:23.46 | Shirik | teach me how to hack Yahoo's site and I'll do it |
| 19:24.12 | Maldivia | ohh, yahoo... shouldn't be a problem |
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| 19:24.28 | zenzelezz | 10th week in a row group two in my guild has had Wolf event |
| 19:24.33 | Tem | Rawr! |
| 19:24.39 | Shirik | RAWR! |
| 19:25.14 | Maldivia | Miau... |
| 19:27.20 | Shirik | Miau? |
| 19:28.11 | Maldivia | meow then? |
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| 19:28.33 | Shirik | ok :P |
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| 19:31.13 | Maldivia | hmm, think I'll go to bed |
| 19:31.21 | Shirik | night! |
| 19:32.08 | Cairenn | night Maldivia |
| 19:32.10 | Maldivia | it just feels so "wrong" to go to bed this early, used to going to bed 3-4 hours later :) |
| 19:32.20 | Shirik | You should follow me |
| 19:32.30 | Shirik | I go to sleep when I get tired, no earlier, no later |
| 19:32.37 | Shirik | which results in my bedtime changing daily :P |
| 19:32.52 | Maldivia | well, I know I have to get up at 5.55am |
| 19:32.53 | Shirik | it usually gets pushed about 1 hour every day, so... by the end of the month I'm back on a normal schedule |
| 19:33.36 | Cairenn | Bleeter: wake UP! |
| 19:33.38 | Shirik | I'm basically the male version of Cairenn |
| 19:33.43 | Shirik | I say I'm going to sleep |
| 19:33.46 | Shirik | but I stay around for another hour |
| 19:33.49 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:33.52 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:34.06 | Cairenn | (or two, or three) |
| 19:34.11 | Shirik | sleep is a waste of time |
| 19:34.26 | cogwheel|work | agreed |
| 19:34.38 | Mike-N-Go | Yet we require it to function proper.. |
| 19:34.39 | Cairenn | wait until you are exhausted and have insomnia - you won't be saying that then |
| 19:34.50 | Maldivia | all the fun things happens during the night, so why sleep ther.... |
| 19:34.55 | cogwheel|work | The need for sleep is what I don't like |
| 19:35.06 | cogwheel|work | I realize that it is currently necessary :P |
| 19:35.15 | Shirik | really, if I didn't /have/ to sleep to stay alive, I wouldn't |
| 19:35.27 | Shirik | I'm quite a bit more productive when I'm actually awake |
| 19:35.33 | Shirik | I've coded very few lines in my sleep |
| 19:35.36 | Maldivia | well, sleeping is nice, whne you have nothing to do anyway :) |
| 19:35.52 | Maldivia | you've never dreamt about coding ? |
| 19:36.01 | Shirik | only once have I ever solved a problem while coding |
| 19:36.08 | Maldivia | lol |
| 19:36.14 | Shirik | that night I jumped out of bed, turned the monitor on and it burned my eyes for two minuts |
| 19:36.15 | Cairenn | sorry, but I really do enjoy my sleep - probably because I get too little of it |
| 19:36.18 | Shirik | and then I forgot half of the solution |
| 19:36.35 | Shirik | er... |
| 19:36.38 | Maldivia | Shirik: if you don't solve the problems whne coding, when do you solve them |
| 19:36.39 | Shirik | 15:36:30 ‹Shirik› only once have I ever solved a problem while coding |
| 19:36.46 | Shirik | s/coding/sleeping/ |
| 19:37.11 | Mike-N-Go | What, you used to snore? =P |
| 19:37.25 | Shirik | my lack of sleep makes it very difficult to snore |
| 19:37.49 | Maldivia | other people snoring is often a cause for my lack of sleep... |
| 19:37.55 | Shirik | brb; if I get dced you all can laugh at me for pulling the wrong plug |
| 19:38.10 | Maldivia | can't we just laught anyway ? |
| 19:38.32 | Maldivia | anyway, I was saying goodnight... so goodnight (afk) |
| 19:39.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:40.00 | Shirik | I got it right! |
| 19:40.04 | Shirik | you aren't allowed to laugh |
| 19:40.14 | DT_ | Thanks again for all the help guys, here's a SS of the final product: http://tinyurl.com/2c79h5 |
| 19:40.31 | Shirik | grats :) |
| 19:45.14 | Mike-N-Go | ~slap Shirik |
| 19:45.45 | purl | ACTION slaps Shirik, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:45.45 | Mike-N-Go | ~hug Shirik |
| 19:45.48 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik tightly until Shirik turns slightly blue |
| 19:45.58 | Shirik | ~lart Mike-N-Go |
| 19:45.58 | purl | pries Mike-N-Go's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Mike-N-Go |
| 19:46.19 | Mike-N-Go | ~bzfrag Shirik |
| 19:46.22 | purl | ACTION kills Shirik with a shot from his BZTank |
| 19:46.44 | Shirik | ~tackle Mike-N-Go |
| 19:46.46 | purl | ACTION tackles Mike-N-Go to the ground. |
| 19:46.56 | Mike-N-Go | ~comfort purl |
| 19:46.58 | purl | There, there, purl. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:47.11 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate Shirik |
| 19:47.39 | Shirik | he won anyway |
| 19:47.47 | Shirik | I have a lack of knowledge of commands |
| 19:48.09 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate Mike-N-Go |
| 19:48.11 | purl | ACTION has left chat.freenode.net (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 19:48.14 | zenzelezz | Julianne was totally hitting on me |
| 19:50.21 | sysrage | ya she hit on me hella hard |
| 19:50.33 | zenzelezz | I hope you're kidding |
| 19:50.34 | sysrage | she's a slut |
| 19:50.38 | zenzelezz | 2300 "crushing blow" |
| 19:52.19 | Mike-N-Go | ~poke Shirik|AFK |
| 19:52.20 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik|AFK, pokes Shirik|AFK repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 19:58.14 | Shirik|AFK | Mike-N-Go need me? |
| 19:59.04 | Shirik|AFK | ok, taking that as a no. Gotta run again, take care ^^ |
| 20:03.14 | DT_ | Is it not possible to have a virtual template inheriting from another virtual template? |
| 20:03.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go_ (n=MikeNGoS@74.92.248.14) |
| 20:03.59 | Mike-N-Go_ | What is '::='? |
| 20:04.47 | Tem | looks like some kind of bastardized asignment operator |
| 20:05.43 | zenzelezz | isn't it just that format "everyone" uses when they describe programming languages? |
| 20:05.45 | DT_ | Tem, do ya know if it's possible to have a virtual template inherting from another virtual template? I tried to make a template button that inherited from OptionsButtonTemplate and all my buttons that inherited my template disappeared |
| 20:05.57 | Tem | it is possible |
| 20:06.20 | DT_ | Hmm |
| 20:06.48 | Tem | zenzelezz, honestly, I've never seen ::=. I've seen := used for assignment so that = can be test for equality. |
| 20:07.03 | zenzelezz | isn't := pascal or something? |
| 20:07.11 | Tem | sounds right |
| 20:07.13 | Tem | but I don't know |
| 20:07.14 | zenzelezz | but I do believe I've seen ::=, not in actual languages, just in describing them |
| 20:07.35 | Tem | well, if I've seen it before, I don't remember seeing it >< |
| 20:07.50 | Tem | perhaps it was a traumatic experience and I've blocked it out |
| 20:08.03 | DT_ | It shows up quite a few times in the lua manual |
| 20:08.11 | DT_ | var ::= prefixexp `[´ exp `]´ |
| 20:08.12 | DT_ | etc |
| 20:08.44 | Tem | well then there you go |
| 20:11.00 | DT_ | Can you guys help me spot my error? Here's my template: http://wowi.pastey.net/11704 and my button: http://wowi.pastey.net/11705 |
| 20:11.05 | zenzelezz | I know that form has a name, but I can't remember it |
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| 20:11.57 | Tem | DT_, you need virtual="true" |
| 20:12.00 | Tem | on your template |
| 20:12.05 | DT_ | Oh lawl |
| 20:12.07 | DT_ | I'm retarded |
| 20:12.18 | DT_ | Could have sworn I had that >.> |
| 20:12.23 | DT_ | tyvm :) |
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| 20:49.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | what is the latest toc version ? |
| 20:53.40 | Tem | what's the latest wow version? |
| 20:54.34 | |FF|Im2good4u | 2.10 i think |
| 20:54.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | but toc doesnt get updated every patch |
| 20:55.27 | zenzelezz | aren't we on 2.0.12? |
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| 20:55.38 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was 2.0.10 |
| 20:55.58 | Tem | iirc, the last time they changed the toc version was 2.0.3 |
| 20:55.59 | Shadowed | TOC version should still be 20003 |
| 20:56.04 | Tem | so, 2 00 03 |
| 20:56.20 | Shadowed | yeah, 2.0.12 is still using 20003 |
| 20:56.24 | Shirik|Ecole | correct' |
| 20:56.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thanks |
| 20:56.57 | Shirik|Ecole | it is _wrong_ to use the latest WoW version number to devise the TOC number, despite what wowwiki said forever until I changed it |
| 20:57.14 | Shirik|Ecole | even though that's where it comes from, most patches don't increment the toc number |
| 20:57.31 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 20:57.57 | Shadowed | Could swear they were changing it even during minor versions but they stopped for 2.0 |
| 20:58.25 | Shirik|Ecole | the only time they change it is when there's a significant enough difference in the UI, iirc |
| 20:58.30 | Bleeter | clad|work, Cairenn|afk: pong |
| 20:58.55 | Shirik|Ecole | which is logical |
| 20:58.59 | Shirik|Ecole | why break all the addons out there for nothing? |
| 20:59.13 | Shirik|Ecole | (break meaning force people to check the "load out of date" box) |
| 21:00.11 | zenzelezz | you still have to click that after every patch though |
| 21:00.28 | cogwheel|work | not anymore |
| 21:00.41 | cogwheel|work | they stopped making you back in 2.0.10 or so |
| 21:00.44 | Shadowed | people got a bit annoyed about that after every patch |
| 21:01.25 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not what I mean |
| 21:01.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't mean having to recheck that box |
| 21:01.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I meant making addons that were previously OK now "out of date" |
| 21:01.49 | Shirik|Ecole | there's no sense in doing that if you don't change the UI API |
| 21:02.03 | Shadowed | Thats what they were doing |
| 21:02.22 | Shadowed | by making you recheck load out of date it was making users think that everything needed to be updated after patches, even if it was minor and no UI change |
| 21:02.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm trying to check wdn for the FrameXML.tocs for those versions but wdn hates me :( |
| 21:02.42 | Shadowed | It was changed every major patch, except for 2.0.0 -> 2.0.3 |
| 21:03.51 | Shirik|Ecole | there we go |
| 21:04.04 | Shirik|Ecole | 1.11.1 and 1.11.2 used the same version number |
| 21:04.06 | Shirik|Ecole | toc number |
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| 21:04.20 | Shirik|Ecole | as well as 1.11.0 |
| 21:04.46 | Shadowed | [00:45] <Shadowed> It was changed every major patch, except for 2.0.0 -> 2.0.3 |
| 21:05.01 | Tem | usually they don't change the toc number for a point release |
| 21:05.12 | Shirik|Ecole | ok now we're talking about two different things here |
| 21:05.21 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe I'm arguing about nothing |
| 21:05.35 | Shadowed | You're talking the TOC number right? |
| 21:05.37 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, I interpreted what you said backwards |
| 21:05.57 | Shirik|Ecole | so we both agree then -_- |
| 21:06.01 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 21:06.20 | Shadowed | I was trying to figure out why you didn't believe me |
| 21:06.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought you were trying to say the current TOC should be 20010 |
| 21:07.44 | Shirik|Ecole | and now I'm going to be late for my lab >< |
| 21:07.46 | Shirik|Ecole | be back in a bit |
| 21:07.48 | Shirik|Ecole | take care :) |
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| 21:56.32 | Josh_Borke | !dict wry |
| 21:56.33 | Josh_Borke | ~dict wry |
| 21:56.35 | Josh_Borke | i lose :( |
| 22:05.30 | Kirkburn | Major alchemy changes - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/04/11/more-on-alchemy-changes/ |
| 22:05.47 | DT_ | Blizzard really dropped the ball on those >.> |
| 22:09.14 | Kirkburn | The proposed changes? |
| 22:09.18 | Kirkburn | Or the current state? |
| 22:21.48 | Kirkburn | Btw, some breaking US related news: |
| 22:21.49 | Kirkburn | R.I.P. PlayStation 3 20GB |
| 22:21.49 | Kirkburn | Nov. 17, 2006 -- April 11, 2007 |
| 22:29.33 | Thunder_Child | "Short stacked, and short lived" |
| 22:30.27 | Kirkburn | I recommend listening to this: http://homophobelol.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 22:44.22 | Bleeter | oh joy, new 0 day vulns for Win32 |
| 22:45.21 | Bleeter | http://www.avertlabs.com/research/blog/?p=253 |
| 22:45.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:45.31 | Shirik | suprise? |
| 22:46.18 | Shirik | ah it's in office |
| 22:46.52 | sysrage | spellsurge and battlemaster enchants are so friggin worthless.. i hate blizz |
| 22:47.06 | subbawt | have you actually used spellsurge? |
| 22:47.08 | leethal | I hate them for giving them fancy names |
| 22:47.12 | leethal | I wish they just put the stat there |
| 22:47.18 | Shirik | aye |
| 22:47.18 | leethal | or the proc or wootevah |
| 22:47.29 | Shirik | crusader! |
| 22:47.32 | Shirik | I still don't know what that does |
| 22:47.33 | leethal | hey.. that should be easy to mod, right? |
| 22:47.37 | Shirik | very |
| 22:47.40 | sysrage | no i haven't used it. why would i waste mats on that crap? |
| 22:47.56 | subbawt | because it's actually pretty good? |
| 22:48.09 | sysrage | 3% chance to get 10 mana per second for 10 seconds? that doesn't give me enough mana to pick my nose |
| 22:48.25 | Shirik | that's... a lot |
| 22:48.26 | sysrage | how is it good? |
| 22:48.34 | subbawt | The proc rate is actually 15% with a 30 second hidden cooldown. |
| 22:48.48 | subbawt | it procs almost every time it's up |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik | 10 mana per second is kinda nice.. |
| 22:49.07 | sysrage | it's still not enough mana to justify not getting +40 dam |
| 22:49.17 | subbawt | as what class? |
| 22:49.18 | Shirik | I'm assuming that's while casting |
| 22:49.20 | subbawt | it's more of a healer thing.. |
| 22:49.21 | sysrage | if it really procs that much maybe for a healer. but it's worthless for a mage |
| 22:49.21 | Shirik | as any class... |
| 22:49.28 | Shirik | maybe for a mage |
| 22:49.32 | Shirik | but definitely for healers that's nice |
| 22:49.42 | Shirik | sorry, I do a lot with my priest so I guess I have a little bias there |
| 22:49.50 | subbawt | i have it on my priest |
| 22:50.07 | Shirik | I'd take it |
| 22:50.09 | sysrage | however, +40 is going to affect healing with teh patch, right? would it still be worth it? |
| 22:50.18 | subbawt | well there's +81 healing |
| 22:50.22 | sysrage | oh ya. that too |
| 22:50.29 | Shirik | in my experience |
| 22:50.39 | Shirik | mana is more vital than uber heals |
| 22:50.51 | Bleeter | Shirik: it's not just office, it's also .HLP files (although that's just proof of concept atm) |
| 22:50.53 | Shirik | besides in bigger groups, you have those fricking paladins sniping in tiny heals making you overheal anyway |
| 22:50.55 | sysrage | ok.. so justify battlemaster |
| 22:51.09 | subbawt | I haven't used battlemaster |
| 22:51.37 | Shirik | Bleeter: Oh :( |
| 22:51.47 | subbawt | but you shouldn't just say "i hate blizzard for making these terrible enchants that i don't really know much about but i can only assume are terrible" |
| 22:51.49 | Shirik | iirc .hlp files load automatically in IE |
| 22:51.54 | Shirik | if browsed to on the internet |
| 22:52.07 | sysrage | ok fine.. i hate blizz for having such horrible descriptions for the enchants. if it's 15% why say 3%? |
| 22:52.12 | Shirik | anyone else having troubble connecting to login server? |
| 22:52.29 | subbawt | Im not sure exactly, the description on the recipe tends to be off quite often. |
| 22:52.29 | Shirik | nm.. |
| 22:53.25 | subbawt | I mean the effect probably has about a 3% uptime. |
| 22:53.25 | sysrage | should be called manasurge too. spellsurge sounds like damage heh |
| 22:55.39 | sysrage | enchanting still got the shaft imo.. they didn't really add any real good stuff.. mongoose seems pretty decent. everything else is just minor upgrades.. alchemists got huge upgrades |
| 22:56.17 | sysrage | ring enchants are nice though |
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| 23:04.17 | Gnarfoz | is very deep retribution (like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qZZEfctM0zVIot ) ok to try ret out (am level 54)? |
| 23:04.52 | [dRaCo] | imo retribution is useless w/o crusader strike, so yes |
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| 23:08.35 | [dRaCo] | You might want to skill improved hammer of justice at level 70, though... so you prolly should get 2 more points for protection |
| 23:08.51 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 23:08.59 | Gnarfoz | hammering + judging SoC |
| 23:10.39 | [dRaCo] | but get Crusader Strike asap |
| 23:10.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I can get it immediately :) |
| 23:11.13 | Gnarfoz | I keep being bugged about why I'm prot, wanna try out ret for kicks ;> |
| 23:11.46 | [dRaCo] | a protection pala makes a great tank, where's the problem with that? |
| 23:12.01 | Gnarfoz | nothing =) |
| 23:12.31 | Gnarfoz | i guess while leveling (almost entirely questing) I don't tank much :D |
| 23:12.38 | [dRaCo] | yeah, true |
| 23:13.06 | Gnarfoz | can't keep aggro of my dual wielding dual windfury shaman tag-team partner anyway on those oh so short lived mobs :D |
| 23:13.17 | Gnarfoz | ah, I missed storm strike in that description |
| 23:13.45 | Gnarfoz | (at least not when we start attacking the same mob at the same time |
| 23:14.01 | Gnarfoz | damn wtf |
| 23:14.10 | Gnarfoz | the paladin trainer in theramore can't reset my talents >_< |
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